Below is a link to NX document for a series of proposed service changes in Walsall / Wolverhampton / Sandwell & Dudley areas:
http://nxbus.co.uk/files/NXWestMids/misc/NXWMWalsallServiceChangesprintready1.pdf
Please use this thread to make comment and have your say on the proposed changes / offer alternative suggestions etc prior to the 31st March, PLEASE keep this thread clear of general chatter as per the 'Oddities' thread & hopefully NX management will review comments / suggestions and either Tony can make them aware of the thread exists or I will email all the comments to NX
My views on the Wednesfield/Willenhall Changes (i hope NX representitives do read this)
The 89 should keep the same number. There is already a 9 running into Wolverhampton.
69 should stay as it is now. I heard this was moving to WN depot.
There isn't really need for a bus through Bentley Bridge as the 59/69/89 currently stop within a close distance but is an added bonus. Wouldn't mind this change as 59 covers Rookery St/Wolverhampton Rd adequatley
The 28 should stay but cut from the New Invention area (the 41 increased to every 20 as proposed to cover the loss) but rerouted from Peacock Avenue right onto Lichfield Road (as opposed to left towards New Invention) then left Stubby Lane, Right Broad Lane South (this road no longer has a bus service after Arriva's 57 rerouted through Lyndale Estate), left Fibbersley, head on up Wednesfield Rd joining Temple Bar to Willenhall....or send it back down Pinson Rd back to Bilston along the 25 route like it used to as the 528.
Also, more importantly, I have heard many complaints regarding this. The 28 should serve the Ashmore Park loop as it is stranding people who need to get to New Cross. The main road where the 59 serves is quite a far walk for those with mobility problems.
What are the implications for evening and Sunday services?
Surely this isn't the Dudley bus review?
Personally I like the changes. I think the 89 going to the 9 is fine as they are different operators anf Completely different destinations. Plus fits in with the 8 Walsall end.
The 33 seems like s sound idea as does the cutting back of the 3i and subsequently the extension of the 75.
The X10 again seems like a good idea but what about passengers who wish to alight at stops not on the limited stop but use the 141 from Merry Hill or Cradley heath?
241 seems to of just been a way to add extra Buses between Halesowen and Merry Hill which personally I don't feel was massively needed. This also allows what I heard yesterday that the 140 and 241 will come back to Durley rota.
The X10 is sure to raise a few eyebrows. If it were limited stop, many stops in Quinton that have had a direct service to Merry Hill for over 20 years will lose that, but it would also reduce journey times between Birmingham and Merry Hill. 241 to Merry Hill was never going to last forever
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 16, 2016, 12:55:12 PM
The X10 is sure to raise a few eyebrows. If it were limited stop, many stops in Quinton that have had a direct service to Merry Hill for over 20 years will lose that, but it would also reduce journey times between Birmingham and Merry Hill. 241 to Merry Hill was never going to last forever
Whilst the X51 has shown that Limited Stop services can work, would the X10 on the busy Hagley Road really work. Plus as
@Sh4318 says, instead of creating extra links, you are cutting them, unless you continue to run the 141 alongside the X10 as the 51 runs alongside the X51.
I wonder if the X10 will be one of the Platinum routes promised for the Black Country.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 16, 2016, 01:04:41 PM
Whilst the X51 has shown that Limited Stop services can work, would the X10 on the busy Hagley Road really work. Plus as @Sh4318 says, instead of creating extra links, you are cutting them, unless you continue to run the 141 alongside the X10 as the 51 runs alongside the X51.
Yes but the X51 also has another route (51) that follows the same route and isn't limited stop. The X10 will not have that.
Also on top of my points, If the 69 was partly replace the 28, keep it serving the bus station, as opposed to a loop of Wolverhampton City Centre (which has been proposed).
Why the fondness for peak only services?
Why dont they trying running them during the day as well?
Surprised they've waited this long to consider renumbering the 301,302,311 & 313.
Surpose the other operators on the route will keep the existing numbers?
Wonder why Nx are reinstating a service along Bentley Road North & South?
x10- platinums?
529 renumbered to 52 or something if they are renumbering 311 313 141 to 2 digit numbers
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on March 16, 2016, 04:43:40 PM
Why the fondness for peak only services?
Why dont they trying running them during the day as well?
Surprised they've waited this long to consider renumbering the 301,302,311 & 313.
Surpose the other operators on the route will keep the existing numbers?
Wonder why Nx are reinstating a service along Bentley Road North & South?
Oops!
Bentley Roads N&S only recently reopened as a through route.
Interesting that 301/2 will revert to their Walsall Corporation trolleybus route numbers...
Quote from: WN on March 16, 2016, 01:20:51 PM
Yes but the X51 also has another route (51) that follows the same route and isn't limited stop. The X10 will not have that.
The X64 doesn't have it either though but works.
Anyone who wants to go to Merry Hill or, Cradley Heath from anywere beteween Five Ways and Quinton could still get the 9 to Halesowen then get the X10 from there or walk to the next nearest X10 stop.
As long as it used the busiest stops on the route I think that could work
I think the 33/39/75 and 41 (To replace the 40 between Walsall and Willenhall) changes look like a good idea.
Quote from: 2206 on March 16, 2016, 04:53:25 PM
The X64 doesn't have it either though but works.
Anyone who wants to go to Merry Hill or, Cradley Heath from anywere beteween Five Ways and Quinton could get the 9 to Halesowen then get the X10 from there or walk to the next nearest X10 stop.
So what make them pay another £2.30? Seems a bit unfair. I mean what if it is a gentleman or lady who can't walk well? Make them pay again when there was a service before that offered it.
For the Limited Stop section of the X10 between Five Ways & Quinton, I would consider the following stops to be the most important:
- Hagley Road West (Francis Rd) for Five Ways
- Hagley Road West (The Ivy Bush)
- Hagley Road West (Rotton Park Rd)
- Hagley Road West (Gillot Road)
- Hagley Road West (Bearwood Interchange)
- Hagley Road West (Wolverhamapton Road)
- Hagley Road West (Quinton Lane Island)
- Hagley Road West (Quinton Church)
- Hagley Road West (Long Lane/The Stag)
Quote from: Winston on March 16, 2016, 05:40:16 PM
For the Limited Stop section of the X10 between Five Ways & Quinton, I would consider the following stops to be the most important:
- Hagley Road West (Francis Rd) for Five Ways
- Hagley Road West (The Ivy Bush)
- Hagley Road West (Rotton Park Rd)
- Hagley Road West (Gillot Road)
- Hagley Road West (Bearwood Interchange)
- Hagley Road West (Wolverhamapton Road)
- Hagley Road West (Quinton Lane Island)
- Hagley Road West (Quinton Church)
- Hagley Road West (Long Lane/The Stag)
and Hagley Road (Portland Road)
Quote from: 2206 on March 16, 2016, 05:45:37 PM
and Hagley Road (Portland Road)
Portland Rd is between Ivy Bush & Rotton Park Road stops which would make it full stopping again
It's good that they are doing this consultation for a change. Yippee I have some positive to say about nxwm. Let's hope east brum gets the same treatment eventually. Even though I live in London now
Some interesting ideas here
With respect to new routes 9 in Wolverhampton and 33 in Walsall, don't Arriva already operate routes with those service numbers to those locations. Route number 36 and 37 are available aren't they.
With respect to the X10 I can't see it working as Limited Stop along the Hagley Road. The value of other express services (900, 957, X51, Sutton Lines etc) having Limited Stop sections is that they use 'express roads' to cut down running times where bus stops aren't possible. There isn't that option with the Hagley Road.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on March 16, 2016, 07:56:16 PM
Some interesting ideas here
With respect to new routes 9 in Wolverhampton and 33 in Walsall, don't Arriva already operate routes with those service numbers to those locations. Route number 36 and 37 are available aren't they.
With respect to the X10 I can't see it working as Limited Stop along the Hagley Road. The value of other express services (900, 957, X51, Sutton Lines etc) having Limited Stop sections is that they use 'express roads' to cut down running times where bus stops aren't possible. There isn't that option with the Hagley Road.
There is a 9 in Wolverhampton. No 33 in Walsall. The X64 doesn't use express roads though.
It would still be quicker than the current 141 as it would stop less often.
Quote from: BU07 LGO on December 24, 2015, 09:49:53 PM
I think most routes would benefit from being limited stop even if the road infrastructure doesn't offer an alternative route, its surprising how much time is wasted starting and stopping at every stop.
Both 9 & 33 numbers currently not used, changed to 333L/X & 3.
Quote from: Westy on March 16, 2016, 08:05:19 PM
Both 9 & 33 numbers currently not used, changed to 333L/X & 3.
Not at Walsall end but the 89 serves Wolveehampton, where a 9 departs from the same station already. I do not see the problem with the current service number tbh.
First, well done to NXWM for consulting. A few other operators sometimes do it, and I'm glad to see NXWM having a go and doing it well.
Two features that stand out for me are various frequency increases, and continuing with a peak hour Birmingham - Burntwood link when Staffs CC funding runs out (no doubt easy and relatively cheap to do).
Interesting to hear about a possible X10. Only limited stop for a fairly small part of the route though imo. Not entirely sure how reliable it will work out.
Still, where on earth is the Dudley bus review?
Do Staffs CC fund the Cannock section of the X51?
A bit disappointed NXWM is deciding to withdrawn 40 section Wolverhampton - Willenhall. Passengers in that section will, once again, not be very impressed. 40 has decent loadings from Wolverhampton, NXWM would be taking their home route away again, not good. I'd suggest the 33 to be extended to Wolverhampton - it would be like the old 333 again!
Regarding to the 89, I would strongly suggest to keep the route number 89 as it is, to avoid confusion. There is a 9 in Wolverhampton Bus Station, (Arriva) Wolverhampton - Bridgnorth - Telford. The proposed route change is 50% good and 50% bad. 50% good: It is about time the route will be no longer serving the Trevor Road section, the positions of the parked cars are ridiculous. It should improve the reliablity. 50% bad: Bentley Bridge? Please, don't. Just keep the route as it is, it's a "direct" route Wolverhampton - Wednesfield.
The 28 seems to be withdrawn. As Nathan already have mentioned, it would be a good idea that the 28 could be re-routed to Bilston like the old 528.
335/336, the only difference between these routes, each route has their own road before meeting the route again. I guess keeping 335/336 is a good idea.
Quote from: Bob on March 16, 2016, 10:11:24 PM
Do Staffs CC fund the Cannock section of the X51?
Not for at least the last 5 or 6 years.
Good to see an attempt at an express service along the Hagley Road, but it needs to be a solid express route, not a half arsed version, the X64 only really misses out a handful of stops.
Most of the changes I think are pretty sound, although I'd question the logic in making the 69 a "round the back and beyond of everywhere" route. Personal opinion is that (and the 89 - or 9 as it will become) should be split. Have the 69 run Walsall to New Invention, Coppice Farm and the estate the 41 currently serves, and keep the 28 as just a Wolves - New Invention service. The 89 should be split into the previous sections at Bloxwich
Quote from: Kevin on March 17, 2016, 09:13:55 AM
Good to see an attempt at an express service along the Hagley Road, but it needs to be a solid express route, not a half arsed version, the X64 only really misses out a handful of stops.
Most of the changes I think are pretty sound, although I'd question the logic in making the 69 a "round the back and beyond of everywhere" route. Personal opinion is that (and the 89 - or 9 as it will become) should be split. Have the 69 run Walsall to New Invention, Coppice Farm and the estate the 41 currently serves, and keep the 28 as just a Wolves - New Invention service. The 89 should be split into the previous sections at Bloxwich
I.e bring back the old 560?
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 16, 2016, 10:11:36 PM
A bit disappointed NXWM is deciding to withdrawn 40 section Wolverhampton - Willenhall. Passengers in that section will, once again, not be very impressed. 40 has decent loadings from Wolverhampton, NXWM would be taking their home route away again, not good. I'd suggest the 33 to be extended to Wolverhampton - it would be like the old 333 again!
Regarding to the 89, I would strongly suggest to keep the route number 89 as it is, to avoid confusion. There is a 9 in Wolverhampton Bus Station, (Arriva) Wolverhampton - Bridgnorth - Telford. The proposed route change is 50% good and 50% bad. 50% good: It is about time the route will be no longer serving the Trevor Road section, the positions of the parked cars are ridiculous. It should improve the reliablity. 50% bad: Bentley Bridge? Please, don't. Just keep the route as it is, it's a "direct" route Wolverhampton - Wednesfield.
The 28 seems to be withdrawn. As Nathan already have mentioned, it would be a good idea that the 28 could be re-routed to Bilston like the old 528.
335/336, the only difference between these routes, each route has their own road before meeting the route again. I guess keeping 335/336 is a good idea.
Also replacing the 40 with the 33 will deprive passengers around Attlee Rd and Churchill Rd of a direct link to Walsall.
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on March 17, 2016, 12:32:16 PM
Also replacing the 40 with the 33 will deprive passengers around Attlee Rd and Churchill Rd of a direct link to Walsall.
They'd have the 41 though wouldn't they?
Quote from: 2206 on March 17, 2016, 04:24:10 PM
They'd have the 41 though wouldn't they?
No, 41 does not serve Attlee Rd.
Quote from: Nathan on March 17, 2016, 04:25:00 PM
No, 41 does not serve Attlee Rd.
Google maps says it stops by the end of Attlee Road on Poplar Avenue.
So a short walk away
Quote from: 2206 on March 17, 2016, 04:28:01 PM
Google maps says it stops by the end of Attlee Road on Poplar Avenue.
So a short walk away
Not so short for the elderly, less able or mothers with young children.
I want Nx full time back down Somerfield Road.
Extend some of the 70a's from Beechdale up to Bloxwich Lane, turn right instead of turn left, up to Kfc, turn left & up to Bloxwich that way!
If the X10 comes around does that mean the pensnett extension (141) will disappear i never see many people on it.
Quote from: Chris on March 18, 2016, 07:40:13 PM
If the X10 comes around does that mean the pensnett extension (141) will disappear i never see many people on it.
No doubt there will be another petition, which will no doubt gain hundreds of signatures. It's always interesting when the number of signatories on a petition never translate into bums on seats on the buses in question! ;)
Quote from: Stu on March 18, 2016, 08:06:30 PM
No doubt there will be another petition, which will no doubt gain hundreds of signatures. It's always interesting when the number of signatories on a petition never translate into bums on seats on the buses in question! ;)
Anything to make a MP famous amougest the constituency eh...
Are we likely to see any more pekingese extensions of the X51 from and to Cannock as part of review?
Quote from: Bob on March 22, 2016, 05:52:48 PM
Are we likely to see any more pekingese extensions of the X51 from and to Cannock as part of review?
Not a cat in hell's chance.
NXWM don't like operating beyond the West Midlands border collie.
Quote from: Mike K on March 22, 2016, 06:18:43 PM
Not a cat in hell's chance.
NXWM don't like operating beyond the West Midlands border collie.
Oh, so that is why NX are running the 54 to Stafford; 154 to Hednesford; extending the 937 to Boney Hay; the 11 to Leamington, not long extended journeys on the 50 into Worcestershire as the 50A?
Quote from: Tony on March 22, 2016, 06:29:06 PM
Oh, so that is why NX are running the 54 to Stafford; 154 to Hednesford; extending the 937 to Boney Hay; the 11 to Leamington, not long extended journeys on the 50 into Worcestershire as the 50A?
Whoa! Re-read my post; it was a lighthearted response to the question of whether there would be any 'PEKINGESE' extensions of the X51, i.e. a dog related pun, and was not in any way meant to resemble the truth.
Peak! I meant. Bloody predictive text! I know it's about a 1 in 100 chance but I'll live in hope!
Will the 529 be ever renumbered? 52 perhaps? They are proposing to renumbered the 301/302/311/313
@Winston it would make sense to use this thread to mention all proposed service changes for nx rather than set up a new one each time.
Interested in these east brum changes , who's going to start the other thread.
However do we think, one of the other routes like the 5 might go platinum then that's every district covered
I've always thought the renumbering of services was pointless and stupid. What was wrong was 2xx 3xx 4xx etc? It had worked well for years
Yeah I know what you mean cause monkey Joe mentioned the 5 but now unless he says which 5 it is then no one knows which area he's talking about
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 22, 2016, 07:50:01 PM
@Steveminor I'm guessing that's the intention behind it, considering this topic is pinned
The original idea of this thread was to post/comments suggestions for the 'actual' proposed service changes being considered / planned to be implemented in WA, WN, Sandwell & Dudley.
@Steveminor The East Birmingham suggestions are little more the rumours at present, nothing official has been proposed for the travelling public to comment on. As a result the thread is just filling up with everything & anything.....
I would also strongly recommend that if anyone has any genuine views/opinions on the proposed service changes for Walsall/Wolverhampton (or any others as mentioned in the linked document) that they should also express them through the 'official channel', ie the email address shown.
It may be the case that NX staff are monitoring this thread, but if it gets clogged up with 'general banter', some salient points may get missed.
@Stu - No need, I was intending on emailing all the 'relevant' comments to the email address before the cut off date in addition to this thread, Winston.
There are enough other threads to discuss which might be the next Platinum route / Rumours of East Birmingham Changes etc
Quote from: Tony on March 22, 2016, 06:29:06 PM
Oh, so that is why NX are running the 54 to Stafford; 154 to Hednesford; extending the 937 to Boney Hay; the 11 to Leamington, not long extended journeys on the 50 into Worcestershire as the 50A?
yes but nx could have pushed the 54/154 more, and ensured up to date information was available outside the centro area. i.e timetable cases at bus stops. timetables actually available on the buses etc
Quote from: Mike K on March 22, 2016, 06:18:43 PM
Not a cat in hell's chance.
NXWM don't like operating beyond the West Midlands border collie.
hahahaha love it
Quote from: mranon on March 22, 2016, 10:10:26 PM
yes but nx could have pushed the 54/154 more, and ensured up to date information was available outside the centro area. i.e timetable cases at bus stops. timetables actually available on the buses etc
To be fair they've regularly had timetables on board which is more than Arriva do. Not even having timetables for their sapphire services in Walsall bus station
nx own timetables were not available after the 20th September changes. it was only the drivers grabbing the centro ones as and when they could to hand out
Quote from: Bob on March 23, 2016, 05:59:37 AM
To be fair they've regularly had timetables on board which is more than Arriva do. Not even having timetables for their sapphire services in Walsall bus station
I told them via Facebook.
Nothing yet.
I think it is a good idea to reroute a bus through Bentley bridge, many people go there proberly more than Wednesfield town, wish they would reroute some 59 services through new cross, the hospital is getting bigger more people go there but the bus service to it has to be one of the worst in the country. Years ago diamond did try operated the 59H but gave up on it without really trying.
Quote from: woody38 on March 24, 2016, 08:24:11 AM
I think it is a good idea to reroute a bus through Bentley bridge, many people go there proberly more than Wednesfield town, wish they would reroute some 59 services through new cross, the hospital is getting bigger more people go there but the bus service to it has to be one of the worst in the country. Years ago diamond did try operated the 59H but gave up on it without really trying.
The old 560/908 used to go through there. Reason gave was that looping the hospital added to unreliability.
If anyone has any further comments on the proposed changes listed below, please post them here by midnight Mon 28th, as I will be emailing them the following morning,
http://nxbus.co.uk/files/NXWestMids/misc/NXWMWalsallServiceChangesprintready1.pdf
I think 4M increase frequency is good idea, they are always full to the brim
On subject of 4M, maybe the use of double deckers?
Does the 4 / 4H / 4M tend to interwork like the 311 & 313 do at Walsall, or do they stay on their own routes?
If the routes were operated by WB, like the 45, then DD's could be used, but as I gather from another post elsewhere, we can't rely on Walsall's drivers to stick to the proper route to & from garage, so no chance there.
On the subject of the route between Bradford Place & the Manor Hospital, if the bus diverted via Queen Street & Corparation Street, then back up Wednesbury Road, then double deckers could also be used on the Darlaston corridor.
Quote from: Westy on March 26, 2016, 09:10:45 PM
Does the 4 / 4H / 4M tend to interwork like the 311 & 313 do at Walsall, or do they stay on their own routes?
If the routes were operated by WB, like the 45, then DD's could be used, but as I gather from another post elsewhere, we can't rely on Walsall's drivers to stick to the proper route to & from garage, so no chance there.
On the subject of the route between Bradford Place & the Manor Hospital, if the bus diverted via Queen Street & Corparation Street, then back up Wednesbury Road, then double deckers could also be used on the Darlaston corridor.
They do interwork, but could be separated maybe? With the frequency increase
All relevant comments (along with their authors) have just been forwarded via email to the NX address quoted, this thread will now be locked & un-stickied, Winston