I had rides on two TXWM vehicles this morning that looked like mobile rubbish tips.
6717 on the 900 from Swan Island to central Birmingham and 2111 on the 120 from Birmingham to Dudley. These were not good for enticing passengers onto public transport, especially on the 900 service. The 120 service included numerous Metro newspapers, and an hot meal carton and a can on a seat.
Can I suggest that, based upon these observations, NXWM display a few posters in the bus interiors for passengers to dispose of their rubbish off the bus in an outside bin. Also, is distributing the Metro on buses good for revenue in the long-term?
Quote from: Bryan on September 17, 2015, 08:25:41 PM
I had rides on two TXWM vehicles this morning that looked like mobile rubbish tips.
6717 on the 900 from Swan Island to central Birmingham and 2111 on the 120 from Birmingham to Dudley. These were not good for enticing passengers onto public transport, especially on the 900 service. The 120 service included numerous Metro newspapers, and an hot meal carton and a can on a seat.
Can I suggest that, based upon these observations, NXWM display a few posters in the bus interiors for passengers to dispose of their rubbish off the bus in an outside bin. Also, is distributing the Metro on buses good for revenue in the long-term?
You do get cleaners coming on the bus to pick up rubbish, especially in Birmingham, so you may have just been a bit unlucky.
As for passengers leaving rubbish? I don't think there's a lot there can be done really, it's as if they don't care sometimes. There used to be an illustration style ad years ago on buses telling passengers not to litter.
Quote from: AV4248 on September 17, 2015, 08:33:09 PM
You do get cleaners coming on the bus to pick up rubbish, especially in Birmingham, so you may have just been a bit unlucky.
As for passengers leaving rubbish? I don't think there's a lot there can be done really, it's as if they don't care sometimes. There used to be an illustration style ad years ago on buses telling passengers not to litter.
Some Bordesley Green Omniinks have a advert asking passengers to help keep the bus clean.
@AV4248
The things you find on an 11 when coming back to garage. Beer cans with beer spilt everywhere, chicken bones dotted around upstairs and a hell of a lot of Big Johns boxes. It goes past a good few Big Johns doesn't it?! Acocks Green, Erdington, Perry Barr, Soho Road & Selly Oak of the top of my head. You could even count Kings Heath! So it's basically a Big Johns waste bin lol.
@MW although you must admit it is quite cheap at Big Johns so it's no wonder that the 11 becomes the waste basket for it.
These jokers who litter the buses can't read so theres no point putting up notices. Most notices are unnoticed in any case.
These litter louts r probably the same jokers who think they are bad boys from Landon largin it with out of date tickets and stolen oap passes
Society is a state it's just a pity we have 2 live with these selfish inconsiderate asses. Maybe some will grow up and change..the ones that r already grown up there's no hope. Chavs r uneducationable
Speaking of stolen OAP passes, I've noticed some young looking pensioners recently. A man who looked at most 45, using a pensioner pass. I'm surprised at how many people have these pensioner/disabled passes too tbh. I expected disabled passes being for people with some sort of walking difficulty, but the majority don't seem to have that problem. How come they get free passes?
Quote from: MW on September 17, 2015, 11:23:07 PM
Speaking of stolen OAP passes, I've noticed some young looking pensioners recently. A man who looked at most 45, using a pensioner pass. I'm surprised at how many people have these pensioner/disabled passes too tbh. I expected disabled passes being for people with some sort of walking difficulty, but the majority don't seem to have that problem. How come they get free passes?
@MWhttp://www.networkwestmidlands.com/mobility34/concessionary.aspx
Quote from: MW on September 17, 2015, 11:23:07 PM
Speaking of stolen OAP passes, I've noticed some young looking pensioners recently. A man who looked at most 45, using a pensioner pass. I'm surprised at how many people have these pensioner/disabled passes too tbh. I expected disabled passes being for people with some sort of walking difficulty, but the majority don't seem to have that problem. How come they get free passes?
@MW, I don't like that sentence. I have the disabled bus pass because I am deaf. I walk fine. Deafness comes under as a disability.
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 17, 2015, 11:52:42 PM
@MW, I don't like that sentence. I have the disabled bus pass because I am deaf. I walk fine. Deafness comes under as a disability.
My partner is partiality deaf in his left ear which effects his balance some times and he gets a concessionary pass. He only ever uses it in the midlands cos he hates our road network. On the subject of rubbish, its just some passengers that have no respect for our public transport.
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 17, 2015, 11:52:42 PM
@MW, I don't like that sentence. I have the disabled bus pass because I am deaf. I walk fine. Deafness comes under as a disability.
There's no need to get offended, it's a genuine question. I don't know much about this sector of the government, that gives out free passes.
If you could answer this question, I'd be grateful.
What has a hearing disability got to do with a free bus pass? Surely it'd be a benefit for people whose disability affects walking/or walking for a length of time (I.e. Wheelchair users etc, or things like hip replacement people who can't walk for long, or like the example above about hearing affecting walking)
Forgive me if I'm coming across as ignorant/rude/sarcastic but I genuinely don't see the logic unless I'm missing something?
Quote from: MW on September 18, 2015, 12:34:58 AM
There's no need to get offended, it's a genuine question. I don't know much about this sector of the government, that gives out free passes.
If you could answer this question, I'd be grateful.
What has a hearing disability got to do with a free bus pass? Surely it'd be a benefit for people whose disability affects walking/or walking for a length of time (I.e. Wheelchair users etc, or things like hip replacement people who can't walk for long, or like the example above about hearing affecting walking)
Forgive me if I'm coming across as ignorant/rude/sarcastic but I genuinely don't see the logic unless I'm missing something?
People might look "normal" but who knows what disabilities/problems they have got. They may not be obvious. It's the same for deafness. Everyone assumes I can hear, they shout to get my attention, they approach to me and ask them why I am ignoring them. I reply "I am profoundly deaf, I can't hear you." They feel bad and apologise. Some deaf people are stubborn not to have any hearing aids or a cochlear implant - they would look normal with nothing on the ears, some (like me) like having them on. Maybe people who have "hearing disability" would have problems communicating with the bus drivers? ??? I am not well knowledged in the government sector either, but I would assume people who are eligible for the bus passes because they have medical conditions that makes them unable to drive cars but they can walk, for example. I might have explained it in a rubbish way, I'm tired, I hope you understand where I am coming from.
And how about putting feet on seats? I believe there are people on here who think it is fine to put their dirty shoes on a rear facing seat!
And why do some people, especially around Walsall, talk about 'chairs' on buses??
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 18, 2015, 01:10:02 AM
People might look "normal" but who knows what disabilities/problems they have got. They may not be obvious. It's the same for deafness. Everyone assumes I can hear, they shout to get my attention, they approach to me and ask them why I am ignoring them. I reply "I am profoundly deaf, I can't hear you." They feel bad and apologise. Some deaf people are stubborn not to have any hearing aids or a cochlear implant - they would look normal with nothing on the ears, some (like me) like having them on. Maybe people who have "hearing disability" would have problems communicating with the bus drivers? ??? I am not well knowledged in the government sector either, but I would assume people who are eligible for the bus passes because they have medical conditions that makes them unable to drive cars but they can walk, for example. I might have explained it in a rubbish way, I'm tired, I hope you understand where I am coming from.
It's also the "there's nothing wrong with them" belief that can make the genuinely disabled ashamed/embarrassed for having their disability because some people are just ignorant and assume they can function. For example somebody who is visually impaired, they might not have a symbol cane/long white cane etc but may struggle to see.
I think a driver on here also questioned why people flag down a bus they don't want. I am guilty of that purely because it has to be right in my face to see it and my argument for roller blinds staying.
Yes there are fraudsters. It also seems that NXWM seem to carry the gold standard of undesirables given what I see myself or try to see and what I read. Fighting a losing battle.
Quote from: MW on September 18, 2015, 12:34:58 AM
There's no need to get offended, it's a genuine question. I don't know much about this sector of the government, that gives out free passes.
If you could answer this question, I'd be grateful.
What has a hearing disability got to do with a free bus pass? Surely it'd be a benefit for people whose disability affects walking/or walking for a length of time (I.e. Wheelchair users etc, or things like hip replacement people who can't walk for long, or like the example above about hearing affecting walking)
Forgive me if I'm coming across as ignorant/rude/sarcastic but I genuinely don't see the logic unless I'm missing something?
Yes, you do come across as ignorant, seeing as you will have done the NX disabaility awareness course as part of your CPC which explains such things.
My step dad had two strokes in his 50s, he had a disability pass for that reason. Yes the 10 steps from the bus stop onto the bus and to a seat he could manage no problem and looked like anybody else boarding, but walking any further was a problem which is why he was given free bus travel
The disability pass is vital to allowing the user to still get around, as they may not be able to drive for multiple reasons, such as poor eyesight, health etc. It therefore means they can retain their independence - allowing them to still go shopping and go places.
Quote from: Liberator9 on September 18, 2015, 09:34:32 AM
The disability pass is vital to allowing the user to still get around, as they may not be able to drive for multiple reasons, such as poor eyesight, health etc. It therefore means they can retain their independence - allowing them to still go shopping and go places.
The seven categories are:
A. Registered blind or partially sighted
B. Severely or profoundly deaf
C. Without speech
D. Disability or injury which has a substantial and adverse effect on ability to walk
E. Loss of the use of both arms or without arms
F. Learning disability
G. Would be refused a licence to drive a motor vehicle, or have had a licence withdrawn, on the grounds of physical fitness, other than on the ground of persistent misuse of alcohol or drugs; for example:
- Uncontrolled epilepsy
- Severe mental disorder
- Liable to sudden attacks of giddiness or fainting
- Established dementia conditions
- Inability to read a registration plate in good light at 20.5m (with lenses)
@Liberator9 @MW
I know of people who claim ESA (employment support allowance). They claim that they are depressed/anxiety. This gives them £400 a month. They then claim housing benefit of £230 a month, and the Local Discretionary fund which takes the Housing Benefit a further £270 month at least. They are then entitled to disability services, I.e. A bus pass, a disabled badge etc. They then have some kids, and take that benefit into hundreds more or maybe a grand a month.
I know of at least 5 people who do this.
Hence my questioning, and concerns in how easy it seems to get one. I think it's probably a small minority.
Quote from: MW on September 18, 2015, 07:17:28 PM
I know of people who claim ESA (employment support allowance). They claim that they are depressed/anxiety. This gives them £400 a month. They then claim housing benefit of £230 a month, and the Local Discretionary fund which takes the Housing Benefit a further £270 month at least. They are then entitled to disability services, I.e. A bus pass, a disabled badge etc. They then have some kids, and take that benefit into hundreds more or maybe a grand a month.
I know of at least 5 people who do this.
Hence my questioning, and concerns in how easy it seems to get one. I think it's probably a small minority.
The top part is irrelevant. That is a different subject. I had to send medical evidence to Centro that I am profoundly deaf. It sounds as though you are just judging people who use these passes.
It's very interesting how a comment on rubbish turns into views on disabled people.
It's almost like Chinese Whispers.
Quote from: MW on September 18, 2015, 07:17:28 PM
I know of people who claim ESA (employment support allowance). They claim that they are depressed/anxiety. This gives them £400 a month. They then claim housing benefit of £230 a month, and the Local Discretionary fund which takes the Housing Benefit a further £270 month at least. They are then entitled to disability services, I.e. A bus pass, a disabled badge etc. They then have some kids, and take that benefit into hundreds more or maybe a grand a month.
I know of at least 5 people who do this.
Hence my questioning, and concerns in how easy it seems to get one. I think it's probably a small minority.
Agreed anxiety plenty of jobs that require you to talk to others
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 18, 2015, 07:35:32 PM
The top part is irrelevant. That is a different subject. I had to send medical evidence to Centro that I am profoundly deaf. It sounds as though you are just judging people who use these passes.
If by judging, you mean concluding, then yes. I've concluded that some of the disabled passes are b*llsh*t disabilities that a free bus pass shouldn't been given.
Again I'm not being whatever you want to call it. This is based on what I've seen and what I know.
Now taking a FMOTL/real world view, I think, who cares, the government is screwing you, so you might aswell screw them to get a free bus pass.
Quote from: MW on September 18, 2015, 10:58:23 PM
If by judging, you mean concluding, then yes. I've concluded that some of the disabled passes are b*llsh*t disabilities that a free bus pass shouldn't been given.
Again I'm not being whatever you want to call it. This is based on what I've seen and what I know.
Now taking a FMOTL/real world view, I think, who cares, the government is screwing you, so you might aswell screw them to get a free bus pass.
You are actually being judgmental and tarring people with the same brush. In fact one could say that you are being discriminatory towards those who are protected persons as designated under several laws including the Equality Act 2010 thus providing a potential claim of libel by accusing that the honourable gentleman was fraudulently using a disabled persons national concessionary pass when he had genuine cause to do so.
You then further encourage a fraudulent act by encouraging people to gain items by deception, thus denying the taxpayer money to which it is deemed payable.
Furthermore, although your comments were clear, simple and straightforward, there is some difficulty in justifiably assigning to it the fourth of the epithets you applied to the statement inasmuch as the precise correlation between the information you communicated and the facts insofar as they can be determined and demonstrated is such as to cause epistemological problems of sufficient magnitude as to lay upon the logical and semantic resources of the English language a heavier burden than they can reasonably be expected to bear.
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 18, 2015, 11:17:38 PM
You are actually being judgmental and tarring people with the same brush. In fact one could say that you are being discriminatory towards those who are protected persons as designated under several laws including the Equality Act 2010 thus providing a potential claim of libel by accusing that the honourable gentleman was fraudulently using a disabled persons national concessionary pass when he had genuine cause to do so.
You then further encourage a fraudulent act by encouraging people to gain items by deception, thus denying the taxpayer money to which it is deemed payable.
Furthermore, although your comments were clear, simple and straightforward, there is some difficulty in justifiably assigning to it the fourth of the epithets you applied to the statement inasmuch as the precise correlation between the information you communicated and the facts insofar as they can be determined and demonstrated is such as to cause epistemological problems of sufficient magnitude as to lay upon the logical and semantic resources of the English language a heavier burden than they can reasonably be expected to bear.
I don't give my consent to be governed/ruled under the "Equality Act 2010".
I'm not discriminating either. I'm not targeting the entire disabled community either. I'm merely stating it seems pretty easy to get "disabled" status and therefore disability benefits (I.e. Depression/anxiety as they can't be proved).
If I have offended anyone, I do apologise. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, even me.
You can put your dictionary away now.
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 18, 2015, 11:17:38 PM
You are actually being judgmental and tarring people with the same brush. In fact one could say that you are being discriminatory towards those who are protected persons as designated under several laws including the Equality Act 2010 thus providing a potential claim of libel by accusing that the honourable gentleman was fraudulently using a disabled persons national concessionary pass when he had genuine cause to do so.
You then further encourage a fraudulent act by encouraging people to gain items by deception, thus denying the taxpayer money to which it is deemed payable.
Furthermore, although your comments were clear, simple and straightforward, there is some difficulty in justifiably assigning to it the fourth of the epithets you applied to the statement inasmuch as the precise correlation between the information you communicated and the facts insofar as they can be determined and demonstrated is such as to cause epistemological problems of sufficient magnitude as to lay upon the logical and semantic resources of the English language a heavier burden than they can reasonably be expected to bear.
Well said. I should also add that your command of the English language is far better than mine!
As with everything this government implements to help the legit, it will ALWAYS be exploited by scum. Its the way of the world. It happens. Trying to siphon the shit out has always plagued authorities. So I can see
@MW point, as well as our disabled members views.
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