PD0001111/7 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham and Pheasey given service number 33 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/12 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham and Sutton Coldfield given service number 907/907A effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/24 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Kitwell and Birmingham City Centre given service number 22/22S/23/23A effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/27 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Woodgate Valley North and Birmingham City Centre given service number 24 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/35 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Stourbridge to Birmingham and Stourbridge to Birmingham given service number 9 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/38 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, City Centre and Hawkesley given service number 35 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/40 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham and Kingstanding given service number 66 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/41 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham City Centre and Frankley, Holly Hill given service number 29/29A/29S effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/45 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham City Centre and Chelmsley Wood given service number 97/97A/97S effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/47 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Druids Heath and Birmingham, Moor Street given service number 50/50A effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/48 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall and Sutton Coldfield given service number 77 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/55 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham and Sutton Coldfield given service number 914 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/65 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham and Perry Beeches given service number 52/52A effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/69 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, City Centre and Solihull, Station given service number 6/6A effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/70 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Carrs Lane and Maypole, Maypole Lane given service number 2 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/75 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall to Wolverhampton and Walsall to Wolverhampton given service number 529 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/81 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham to Dudley and Birmingham to Dudley given service number 74 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/89 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall and Sutton Coldfield, Walsall Wood or Castlefort given service number 6/7/7A effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/110 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Solihull and Birmingham City Centre given service number 37 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/112 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Frankley and Birmingham City Centre given service number 61/63 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/120 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Dudley and Birmingham given service number 82/87 effective from 05-Jul-2015. To amend Route.
PD0001111/123 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Longbridge and Birmingham City Centre given service number 45/47/47S effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/133 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between City, Pool Meadow and Leamington Spa given service number 11/11A/12X effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/141 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Allesley Park and City Centre given service number 23/23C effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/145 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Tile Hill and Little Heath given service number 6/6A/6S effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/160 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Parson and Clerk and John Wilmot School given service number 879 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/178 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Hall Green and Archbishop Ilsley RC School given service number 841 effective from 30-Aug-2015.
PD0001111/213 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham and Walsall given service number 997/997E effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/401 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Perry Barr and Hamstead Village/Tanhouse Avenue given service number 54/54A effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/403 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham and Walsall (certain journeys on X51 continue to Cannock) given service number 51/X51 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable
PD0001111/509 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between St. Thomas Aquinas RC School and Rubery given service number 878 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/534 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between The Maypole, Maypole Lane and Hawkesley, Shannon Road Circle given service number 27 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/565 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Solihull, Station and Queen Elizabeth Hospital given service number 76 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/575 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Keresley Village and University Hospital, Walsgrave given service number 16/16A/16S effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/576 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Bell Green and Eastern Green given service number 10 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/607 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Fletcher Rd and St Thomas More school given service number 703 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/617 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Solihull and Birmingham, City Centre given service number 5 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/642 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Carrs Lane and Shirley, Green Business Park given service number 3 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/648 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham and Walsall or Brownhills given service number 934/935/935A/936 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Timetable.
PD0001111/667 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Sutton Coldfield and Solihull given service number 71/71A/71S effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/681 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, City Centre and Solihull given service number 31 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/725 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: West Bromwich
Finish Point: Sandwell Park Farm
Via:
Service Number: 400
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 30-AUG-2015
Other Details: New Service
PD0001111/731 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Erdington
Finish Point: Erdington
Via: Sutton Coldfield
Service Number: 15A
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 30-AUG-2015
Other Details: New Service
PD0001111/732 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Craven Street
Finish Point: Finham Park
Via: Jardine Crescent
Service Number: FP2
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 30-AUG-2015
Other Details: New Service
Interesting - notice the 27 and 76 have route changes included; interesting what they're going to do there.
15A eh? Wonder what that's about
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 03, 2015, 04:51:33 PM
15A eh? Wonder what that's about
Are new services 15A & FP2 just special services for the 30th Aug only for events?
I wonder what the route changes for the 2 are going to go to.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on July 03, 2015, 07:23:28 PM
I wonder what the route changes for the 2 are going to go to.
I'm willing to bet most of the changes are due to city centre roadworks or layout changes or something along those lines.
Quote from: Winston on July 03, 2015, 04:54:10 PM
Are new services 15A & FP2 just special services for the 30th Aug only for events?
FP2 is probably a new school service for Finham Park school?
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 03, 2015, 04:51:33 PM
15A eh? Wonder what that's about
It's clearly a circular service, and the first thing I thought was maybe it reintroduces part of the old 915 route. A while back, someone on my Facebook page said they'd heard a rumour about the 38 service being withdrawn, so it could also form part of a replacement for that service. Wonder if we'll also see a registration for a 15C service also?
Just speculating of course...
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 03, 2015, 04:51:33 PM
15A eh? Wonder what that's about
Quote from: Stu on July 03, 2015, 08:07:27 PM
It's clearly a circular service, and the first thing I thought was maybe it reintroduces part of the old 915 route. A while back, someone on my Facebook page said they'd heard a rumour about the 38 service being withdrawn, so it could also form part of a replacement for that service. Wonder if we'll also see a registration for a 15C service also?
There were garage rumors floating around that the 38 route was been incorporated into the 28 route, and also that the 66 is getting curtailed (no idea where).
Think a lot of the timetable changes will be to do with the end of the school holidays, and also a lot of these routes are due to have route changes in July, maybe they are being reversed.
"Strangely", Network West Midlands are slow updating the Service Changes page once again!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 03, 2015, 09:28:16 PM
"Strangely", Network West Midlands are slow updating the Service Changes page once again!
..... and slightly more alarmingly, Stu, the NWM bus timetables pages are currently showing specific timetables for 19/07/15 to 29/08/15 for routes 115 and 914, both of which say ..... No Service !! :o
A temporary glip - I hope .... :D
Quote from: John on July 03, 2015, 09:13:13 PM
There were garage rumors floating around that the 38 route was been incorporated into the 28 route, and also that the 66 is getting curtailed (no idea where).
Also the talk that the 66A is being pulled
61/63 going 24/7
45 terminating at Longbridge.
Apparently.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 05, 2015, 11:52:35 AM
61/63 going 24/7
45 terminating at Longbridge.
Apparently.
I reckon they ought to make the 9 go 24/7 too...it's about time it was as its near enough there already
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 05, 2015, 11:52:35 AM
61/63 going 24/7
45 terminating at Longbridge.
Apparently.
Very good news indeed!! :D Hopefully single deckers are used though....
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 05, 2015, 11:52:35 AM
61/63 going 24/7
45 terminating at Longbridge.
Apparently.
I reckon that 61/63 will gain e400s cascades from walsall when the platinums arrive to WA. Which then lead to 61/63 to be branded for 24/7 and Bristol Road (Purple maybe?) Then existing tridents to West Brom to allow the presidents to be withdrawn? I am quite glad that nxwm are introducing 24/7 services.
Whats going to be the change to the 703, one of my school's service's
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 05, 2015, 11:52:35 AM
61/63 going 24/7
45 terminating at Longbridge.
Apparently.
Haven't heard anything about the Bristol going 24/7 (makes sense I suppose).
I did hear about the 45 being cutback - maybe run 45A in the peak? Hang on; wasn't that the case years ago? Well, that's progress ;)
I notice there is timetable and route changes for the 97, what can they do to it now apart from increase the frequency after 8pm otherwise its perfect I mean a bus every 4 or so mins is great.......ah well what can we do as general public haha ;)
Quote from: dw1308 on July 05, 2015, 10:47:52 PM
I notice there is timetable and route changes for the 97, what can they do to it now apart from increase the frequency after 8pm otherwise its perfect I mean a bus every 4 or so mins is great.......ah well what can we do as general public haha ;)
It'll be interesting to see this. The 97 is my closest route so its more of a route change (Chelmsley Wood maybe ?!) although as for the frequency, may be they'll decrease it towards the evening ?
Quote from: BusFan on July 05, 2015, 11:00:56 PM
It'll be interesting to see this. The 97 is my closest route so its more of a route change (Chelmsley Wood maybe ?!) although as for the frequency, may be they'll decrease it towards the evening ?
The 97 route change might only be a change within B'ham City Centre, as for frequency it will most likely be just back to normal after summer timetable
All of this talk of "66 curtailed" "38 merging with 28" "66A going" "new circular route"
.....68A/C anyone? (the original one, not the Aston one)
PD0001111/28 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham, Broad Street and Haslucks Green given service number 1/899 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/431 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham and Hill Hook/Minworth/Roughley given service number 902/904/905 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Timetable.
PD0001111/676 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Tettenhall Wood to Dudley and Tettenhall Wood to Dudley given service number 1 effective from 01-Sep-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/733 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Brinsford to Cheslyn Hay High School
Finish Point: Brinsford to Cheslyn Hay High School
Via: Featherstone
Service Number: 854
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 01-SEP-2015
Other Details: New Service
PD0001111/733 looks very Staffordshire!
Any idea what changes happening to the 902/904/905 the
Quote from: Nxwm on July 07, 2015, 04:16:28 PM
Any idea what changes happening to the 902/904/905 the
Rumour is that the 902/5 are increasing from every 30 minutes to every 20 minutes
Quote from: John on July 07, 2015, 04:24:05 PM
Rumour is that the 902/5 are increasing from every 30 minutes to every 20 minutes
That would mean the 904 would have to increase (every 10 minutes) or decrease (every 20 minutes) in order to fit with the frequency
Sutton routes get more new buses and 94 crap left over. Couldn't resist been a while.
2 more rumours floating around is the 115 is going (I could see the 15 being the replacement), and that the 952 is reverting back to the 52. Please note these are only rumours that I've been told
Quote from: Tony on July 07, 2015, 04:00:55 PM
PD0001111/733 looks very Staffordshire!
Another new one serving Staffordshire:
PD0001111/734 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Bloxwich to Cheslyn Hay High School
Finish Point: Bloxwich to Cheslyn Hay High School
Via: New Invention and Essington
Service Number: 868
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 08-SEP-2015
Other Details: New Service serving Cheslyn Hay high school
Quote from: John on July 10, 2015, 02:11:59 PM
2 more rumours floating around is the 115 is going (I could see the 15 being the replacement), and that the 952 is reverting back to the 52. Please note these are only rumours that I've been told
15 that would make sense if the 115 is going. Curious what would be the Erdington via Lichfield Rd link?
I'm going to assume the Staffordshire services will be school services as they begin with 8 and end at the high school, would be interesting if NXWM decided to give cannock a go again lol.
Looks like the Cannock X51 Am journeys are going back to more or less the times they were before they changed due to the current roadworks!
(NWM have put a new timetable dated 19 July at the stop outside my house!)
Yes, school holiday mean the shorter running times can be used again
The latest gen now is that the 904 is extended to Asda Minworth. I keep hearing end of the summer holidays for all of the Sutton changes
Quote from: John on July 14, 2015, 12:43:22 PM
The latest gen now is that the 904 is extended to Asda Minworth. I keep hearing end of the summer holidays for all of the Sutton changes
From Falcon Lodge?
Quote from: John on July 14, 2015, 01:29:42 PM
I believe so
I suppose it makes sense linking up Falcon Lodge and the Asda but surely the 914 would be the better fit?
Quote from: Dutsey on July 14, 2015, 01:44:14 PM
I suppose it makes sense linking up Falcon Lodge and the Asda but surely the 914 would be the better fit?
How would the 914 fit? You would have to delete part of the current route
Quote from: Tony on July 14, 2015, 02:03:18 PM
How would the 914 fit? You would have to delete part of the current route
I guess my thinking was to turn right onto chester road and then onto Kingsbury Road to Minworth Asda and then pick the route back up, but you would lose the Pype Hayes section which I guess is a popular part of the route.
Could the 71 not serve Falcon Lodge if there was going to be a link?
Quote from: danny on July 10, 2015, 07:01:18 PM
I'm going to assume the Staffordshire services will be school services as they begin with 8 and end at the high school, would be interesting if NXWM decided to give cannock a go again lol.
Thatll never ever happen i dont think lol
Quote from: danny on July 10, 2015, 07:01:18 PM
I'm going to assume the Staffordshire services will be school services as they begin with 8 and end at the high school, would be interesting if NXWM decided to give cannock a go again lol.
Yes, they are for Cheslyn Hay School.
Quote from: Dutsey on July 14, 2015, 02:44:10 PM
I guess my thinking was to turn right onto chester road and then onto Kingsbury Road to Minworth Asda and then pick the route back up, but you would lose the Pype Hayes section which I guess is a popular part of the route.
Could the 71 not serve Falcon Lodge if there was going to be a link?
Wasn't this the reason the 119 was withdrawn? I know it was a tender but the patronage just dropped to nothing. Unless the former 119 passengers have asked for this link.
QuoteWasn't this the reason the 119 was withdrawn? I know it was a tender but the patronage just dropped to nothing. Unless the former 119 passengers have asked for this link.
You beat me to it, Ashley. The Diamond 119 was every 15 minutes down to Asda, IIRC, and then went to every 30 mins, but my experiences of it, as a Walmley resident, was that it rarely carried more than 4 or 5 folk between the Lodge and Asda. I can't see the logic behind extending the 904.
Would you route it down Webster Way and cut out Walmley Village, with all the congestion through there, or put it through the village as a sop to removing the 115 (the other rumour mentioned above, which horrifies me)?
If the 115 does go, will they upgrade the 914 frequency to 15 minutes, or are we Walmley folk going to get a reduced and inferior service into Brum?
We've already seen the 71 frequency cut back in recent years with the demise of the 71A. Getting a bit of a raw deal in this neck of the woods, IMHO ..... >:(
Any more insights/ rumours as what might be occurring then?
There will be a 15A and 15C. I'm thinking this will cover both the 115 and 66A
Also the 952 is reverting back to the 52, and there will be a 52A again (don't know the details of this though)
I'm sure the 119 was every 15 mins with a half hourly exyension to Asda. It was commercial and the Asda extension originated in the old Petes 115S iirc
Quote from: John on July 27, 2015, 04:49:00 PM
There will be a 15A and 15C. I'm thinking this will cover both the 115 and 66A
Also the 952 is reverting back to the 52, and there will be a 52A again (don't know the details of this though)
Good, an extra bus that ISNT limited stop between City and Perry Barr.
Quote from: John on July 27, 2015, 04:49:00 PM
There will be a 15A and 15C. I'm thinking this will cover both the 115 and 66A
Also the 952 is reverting back to the 52, and there will be a 52A again (don't know the details of this though)
These are the changes
@BU07 LGO
Timetables for 15A/C & 52/A at least are on NWM site.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on July 29, 2015, 12:34:38 PM
Good, an extra bus that ISNT limited stop between City and Perry Barr.
The 33 and 51 have been getting flooded along that stretch, so this should help out a bit
Whats going to happen to the 115s between birmingham and sutton coldfield if its getting replaced by the 15A/C
Don't know the area well but might suggest the 52 corridor might be dying of death being made longer and no frequency increase. Curious to know if people might be walking (within reason of course) and using either X51 or 997.
Birmingham via Walmley corridor will it only be 2 buses and hour now or a 20 min 914.
Birmingham - Erdington via Lichfield Rd. What's occurring here?
Quote from: Chris on July 31, 2015, 05:52:54 PM
Whats going to happen to the 115s between birmingham and sutton coldfield if its getting replaced by the 15A/C
Nothing is replacing it between Birmingham and Erdington (It is very quiet along this section of route). The new 15A/C is replacing the 115 between Erdington and Sutton
Ho hum.
Finally the death of the link from Lichfield Rd area to Erdington. What's the betting they aren't improving the 66 to compensate?
And what for the residents of Walmley? A reduction in service "but don't worry you can get the 904 all the way through Sutton instead"
Quote from: Kevin on July 31, 2015, 10:32:48 PM
And what for the residents of Walmley? A reduction in service "but don't worry you can get the 904 all the way through Sutton instead"
Precisely! I hope we do get a 20 minute frequency 914 to compensate. We don't all want to go to Good Hope / Sutton Coldfield, thank you very much .... >:(
They always seem to be messing with the Sutton services, loads of investment and still not getting it right. (Changes could suggest, train all the way if i lived there.
Will the 904 serve the newish estate on the 68 used to cover would make more sense and give people links to the train etc.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 31, 2015, 08:09:39 PM
Don't know the area well but might suggest the 52 corridor might be dying of death being made longer and no frequency increase. Curious to know if people might be walking (within reason of course) and using either X51 or 997.
Birmingham via Walmley corridor will it only be 2 buses and hour now or a 20 min 914.
Birmingham - Erdington via Lichfield Rd. What's occurring here?
The new 52 is going to be every ten minutes, so a frequency increase, not 'dying a death'
People living in Walmley would always choose the 914 over the 115, so are getting a frequency increase on the route they actually use.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 01, 2015, 07:08:54 AM
They always seem to be messing with the Sutton services, loads of investment and still not getting it right. (Changes could suggest, train all the way if i lived there.
So they increase the frequency of Sutton to Birmingham direct services from every 7/8 minutes to every 6/7 but its because they are still not getting it right?
Haven't you thought these changes might be because they are getting it right and more people are wanting to use the services
Quote from: Tony on August 01, 2015, 08:49:06 AM
So they increase the frequency of Sutton to Birmingham direct services from every 7/8 minutes to every 6/7 but its because they are still not getting it right?
Haven't you thought these changes might be because they are getting it right and more people are wanting to use the services
With respect, Tony, at the expense of inconveniencing travellers down the East of Sutton corridor through Walmley? I know I've got a vested interest :) but a small increase in frequency down the Sutton - Erdington road, which parallels the 10 minute service on the Cross City line, whilst we Walmley residents are looking at a 50% cut in direct buses to the City Centre?
And it used to be a clockface 15m departure time from the Square Peg on the 115/914 until the timetables were rearranged to suit the interworking. Sorry, but I can't help feeling we're facing at a bit of a raw deal out here .......
Quote from: Ossie on August 01, 2015, 09:46:28 AM
With respect, Tony, at the expense of inconveniencing travellers down the East of Sutton corridor through Walmley? I know I've got a vested interest :) but a small increase in frequency down the Sutton - Erdington road, which parallels the 10 minute service on the Cross City line, whilst we Walmley residents are looking at a 50% cut in direct buses to the City Centre?
And it used to be a clockface 15m departure time from the Square Peg on the 115/914 until the timetables were rearranged to suit the interworking. Sorry, but I can't help feeling we're facing at a bit of a raw deal out here .......
Depends how you look at it.
Walmley is getting a 50% increase in direct buses to Birmingham, figures show very few people using the 115 from Walmley to Birmingham, and an increase in the number of Buses to Sutton Coldfield
Quote from: Kevin on July 31, 2015, 10:32:48 PM
Ho hum.
Finally the death of the link from Lichfield Rd area to Erdington. What's the betting they aren't improving the 66 to compensate?
All I can see on the NWM website is that it looks like the 66 will no longer serve Gravelly Industrial Park - the route map is shown, but no timetable yet.
I like a bit of fire in these responses it's all good, just like being at work. Bring on the debate. You can look at it Tony's way and Stu's view, especially the part about investment and frequency increases were competition exists.
Stand corrected about the 52 only going by the timetable on the Centro site. However I am sure NXWM will a do super marketing job, I am sure. Happy days.
In terms of the corridor frequency of the main Sutton corridor that is why I made the point about the return on the 904e's which could suggest an increase over the core part of the corridor. All sounds very interesting anyway, eagerly await the final details.
Is it the case that the 902, 904 and 905 will be every 20 minutes each (providing a bus every 6/7 mins to Sutton) and also the 914 will be increased to every 20 minutes ?
Daytime 51 reduced to 10 Mins
Daytime X51 increased to 10 Mins
Maybe with 52 introduced every 10 mins a bus every 3-4 mins Perry Barr-City with 33
If the 33 is reduced to 10 Mins as well.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 01, 2015, 09:16:08 PM
Is it the case that the 902, 904 and 905 will be every 20 minutes each (providing a bus every 6/7 mins to Sutton) and also the 914 will be increased to every 20 minutes ?
Does 3 20 minutes services make a 6/7 min frequency. Looks like it might be one of those strange timetables like the 74es/74/75. That's what i meant with 904e's. However speculation as i am procrastinating from what i need to do.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 02, 2015, 12:27:55 PM
Does 3 20 minutes services make a 6/7 min frequency.
Yes, three buses in a twenty minute spell will be 7, 7, 6, then the next 7, 7, 6 doesn't need any strange maths
I see I was assuming that the Mere Green routes would get a consistent 10 minute frequency. Cheers.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 02, 2015, 12:53:42 PM
I see I was assuming that the Mere Green routes would get a consistent 10 minute frequency. Cheers.
They probably will between Sutton and Mere Green
Can see that being 13 & 7 minutes, unless they put in 3 min layover on some journeys in Sutton. Right i need to get out more
NXWM:
1 terminating at Gospel Lane, no longer going to Haslucks Green Road.
NEW 6A Birmingham to Solihull via Monkpath, possibly replacing 5A
NEW 15A/C Sutton and Erdington circle replacing 66A and 115
37 City centre stop moved to B16 (High Street, present 45/7 stop)
45/47 City centre stop moved to MS5 (Carrs Lane, present 37 stop)
NEW 50A B'ham to Wythall - peaks Mon to Fri.
NEW 52 City to Perry Beeches via Hassop Road (replacing 952)
NEW 52A City to Booths Farm Road via Turnbury Road (replacing 952)
61/63 City centre stop moved to MS5 (Carrs Lane, present 37 stop)
66 every 15 mins to Nechells and every 30 mins to Kingstanding
902/905/914 increased to every 20 mins (905 every 30 mins Sundays)
904 extended to Minworth - every 20 minutes
X51 increased to every 10 mins
ARRIVA:
1 Walsall to Cannock - reduced to every 30 minutes
33 renumbered 3 - reduced to every 30 minutes
Noticed a later 0110 departure on the 904
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 07, 2015, 07:31:11 PM
Noticed a later 0110 departure on the 904
With the first morning journey starting in Sutton at 4.36am (rather than 5am from Falcon Lodge at present)
The word in garage is that it won't be long before it becomes a 24hr service. (Now only been 3 hours between the last bus and the first the next morning)
Why are they moving the 37 45/7 & 61/3 services about
Quote from: John on August 07, 2015, 09:18:04 PM
With the first morning journey starting in Sutton at 4.36am (rather than 5am from Falcon Lodge at present)
The word in garage is that it won't be long before it becomes a 24hr service. (Now only been 3 hours between the last bus and the first the next morning)
Just like the 9 last journey gets into stourbridge at 2am starts at half 4 back to Birmingham. Tbh i wouldn't be surprised if the 9, 37s and suttons get 24hrs before the years out
Quote from: Chris on August 07, 2015, 09:57:34 PM
Just like the 9 last journey gets into stourbridge at 2am starts at half 4 back to Birmingham. Tbh i wouldn't be surprised if the 9, 37s and suttons get 24hrs before the years out
Starts at 04:03 at Halesowen towards Brum
Quote from: Solo1 on August 07, 2015, 09:53:39 PM
Why are they moving the 37 45/7 & 61/3 services about
I assume that the 45/7 block the High St with driver changes etc, so they may be swapping them to to eliminate this. I may be wrong!
Quote from: Chris on August 07, 2015, 09:57:34 PM
Just like the 9 last journey gets into stourbridge at 2am starts at half 4 back to Birmingham. Tbh i wouldn't be surprised if the 9, 37s and suttons get 24hrs before the years out
The 900 is also similar arrives in Birmingham at 01:24.The first one to depart the City Centre is a 900A at 2:55 I think this could also go 24 hours a much quicker way of getting to the Airport than the 97A.
Quote from: Chris on August 07, 2015, 09:57:34 PM
Tbh i wouldn't be surprised if the 9, 37s and suttons get 24hrs before the years out
I think the 900, 94 and 51 could also end up going 24hrs over the next few years.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 07, 2015, 01:57:02 PM
NXWM:
1 terminating at Gospel Lane, no longer going to Haslucks Green Road.
NEW 6A Birmingham to Solihull via Monkpath, possibly replacing 5A
NEW 15A/C Sutton and Erdington circle replacing 66A and 115
37 City centre stop moved to B16 (High Street, present 45/7 stop)
45/47 City centre stop moved to MS5 (Carrs Lane, present 37 stop)
NEW 50A B'ham to Wythall - peaks Mon to Fri.
NEW 52 City to Perry Beeches via Hassop Road (replacing 952)
NEW 52A City to Booths Farm Road via Turnbury Road (replacing 952)
61/63 City centre stop moved to MS5 (Carrs Lane, present 37 stop)
66 every 15 mins to Nechells and every 30 mins to Kingstanding
902/905/914 increased to every 20 mins (905 every 30 mins Sundays)
904 extended to Minworth - every 20 minutes
X51 increased to every 10 mins
ARRIVA:
1 Walsall to Cannock - reduced to every 30 minutes
33 renumbered 3 - reduced to every 30 minutes
I presume the 6A will be going to YW then? The 5A is an alright route aswell!
Those changes look pretty good, the 1 being curtailed to Gospel Oak has been spoken about in Garage for a while. The section after carries virtually nobody anyway, although I wonder where the drop back will be as it's awkward parking at the Gospel/CoOp bus stop unless your just picking up and going.
The 37 change sounds good too. It is quite annoying pulling out of the current 37 stop to join that long queue of buses at peak times (although that was probably due to the lights at Albert Street which have gone now.
Surely it spells chaos for Carrs Lane though if it's where the drivers change? Albert Street is already annoying with the BC tridents dumped around causing congestion. It'll be annoying for the 2/3 and possibly the 5/6/31 services pulling in then! Also I think the stop move to High Street might get rid of the passengers who use the service from City to Sparkbrook which is also good! (I don't like stopping on Stratford Road when on the 37)
So they've cut the 115 link from Lichfield Rd to Erdington AND reduced the 66 to every half hour in the daytime
Disgusting
Quote from: Kevin on August 08, 2015, 09:11:30 AM
So they've cut the 115 link from Lichfield Rd to Erdington AND reduced the 66 to every half hour in the daytime
Disgusting
Oh silly me, I forgot, bus companies are supposed to run buses every few minutes even when only a couple of people use them
So does it mean that the Sutton falcon lodge walmey corridor will be a 10 min frequency from 15, but a reduction on the falcon lodge corridor with 2 less buses an hour.
904 very interesting timetable on NWM website journeys extended to Asda Minworth
first bus from Asda 0445 running every 20 mins daytime an hourley evenings last bus 22:52
Helpful bus for shoppers and workers and more buses through Walmley
Quote from: Tony on August 08, 2015, 09:29:38 AM
Oh silly me, I forgot, bus companies are supposed to run buses every few minutes even when only a couple of people use them
Oh come off it, has anyone actually looked at how many people use these services? Or have they just picked one bus and based an entire days figures on that
How many people use the 7 along Summer Lane to Witton? How many people will use the 904 all the way round through Sutton to Walmley?
Do people only catch buses into the city centre then? I know, make all buses "set down only" inbound and "pick up only" outbound because no one wants to go anywhere else
Quote from: Kevin on August 08, 2015, 02:32:47 PM
Oh come off it, has anyone actually looked at how many people use these services? Or have they just picked one bus and based an entire days figures on that
How many people use the 7 along Summer Lane to Witton? How many people will use the 904 all the way round through Sutton to Walmley?
Do people only catch buses into the city centre then? I know, make all buses "set down only" inbound and "pick up only" outbound because no one wants to go anywhere else
Of course the figures have been looked at, when they look at route changes they look at every bus for several months to get averages of how many people use each bus at each time.
Timetabling isn't one bloke sat there thinking, this is a good idea, writing a timetable and running the buses
Quote from: Kevin on August 08, 2015, 02:32:47 PM
Oh come off it, has anyone actually looked at how many people use these services? Or have they just picked one bus and based an entire days figures on that
How many people use the 7 along Summer Lane to Witton? How many people will use the 904 all the way round through Sutton to Walmley?
Do people only catch buses into the city centre then? I know, make all buses "set down only" inbound and "pick up only" outbound because no one wants to go anywhere else
I don't think the 904 extension is designed for people to use Minworth city. I think it is more to provide new links from Falcon lodge and maintain the Walmley via Falcon Lodge corridor, that is what I am perceiving by these changes.
Quote from: Kevin on August 08, 2015, 02:32:47 PM
Oh come off it, has anyone actually looked at how many people use these services? Or have they just picked one bus and based an entire days figures on that
How many people use the 7 along Summer Lane to Witton? How many people will use the 904 all the way round through Sutton to Walmley?
Do people only catch buses into the city centre then? I know, make all buses "set down only" inbound and "pick up only" outbound because no one wants to go anywhere else
People who live in Walmley,or Minworth who currently only have the choice of catching the 71 who at 9PM only have the choice of getting Diamond though they have NX bus passes will find this new link youesful and those who live in Flacon Lodge now have a new link.
Quote from: MW on August 08, 2015, 01:06:43 AM
Those changes look pretty good, the 1 being curtailed to Gospel Oak has been spoken about in Garage for a while. The section after carries virtually nobody anyway, although I wonder where the drop back will be as it's awkward parking at the Gospel/CoOp bus stop unless your just picking up and going.
Personally I think the 1 should have been extended further into Shirley town centre. Maybe no-one uses it from Gospel Oak because it doesn't actually go anywhere? It was meant to replace the 3/31A and combine with the 31 to offer a 'turn-up-and-go' service between Gospel Oak and Shirley. Dumping passengers outside Hall Green Tesco (okay the stop is technically just over the boundary inside Shirley environs) and then expecting them either to walk a further ten minutes or so to actually get to Parkgate or Shirley town centre, or to change onto another bus to complete the journey, doesn't seem very useful to me.
Perhaps passengers also find it confusing, as all the printed material at stops says the 1 goes to Shirley, while the destination displays say 'Hall Green'.
Quote from: Stu on August 08, 2015, 06:15:30 PM
Personally I think the 1 should have been extended further into Shirley town centre. Maybe no-one uses it from Gospel Oak because it doesn't actually go anywhere? It was meant to replace the 3/31A and combine with the 31 to offer a 'turn-up-and-go' service between Gospel Oak and Shirley. Dumping passengers outside Hall Green Tesco (okay the stop is technically just over the boundary inside Shirley environs) and then expecting them either to walk a further ten minutes or so to actually get to Parkgate or Shirley town centre, or to change onto another bus to complete the journey, doesn't seem very useful to me.
Perhaps passengers also find it confusing, as all the printed material at stops says the 1 goes to Shirley, while the destination displays say 'Hall Green'.
Is it going to do any better dropping people of in Gospel Oak theres only a CoOp store and houses it is similar to Hall Green there whenever I see the service it is usually very empty in Acocks Green heading towards Hall Green.
My point is, are people in the Gospel Oak area not using the 1 because they'd rather wait for the next 31, if they're going to Shirley?
It seems to be well used between Acocks Green and Gospel Oak, but then again, on the odd occasion I'm going into Shirley from Acocks Green, I also would wait for the 31.
Quote from: Stu on August 08, 2015, 07:05:03 PM
My point is, are people in the Gospel Oak area not using the 1 because they'd rather wait for the next 31, if they're going to Shirley?
It seems to be well used between Acocks Green and Gospel Oak, but then again, on the odd occasion I'm going into Shirley from Acocks Green, I also would wait for the 31.
I've caught the 31 many times and it does seem to get more than its fair share of passengers whilst in Gospel Oak. The 1 always seems empty running through there and I also think its Hall Green/ Shirley Terminus should be extended somewhat so it actually finishes somewhere useful. Were it terminates at Stratford Road is awfully short of the Shirley Town Centre as yourself quite rightly mentioned.
Quote from: Kevin on August 08, 2015, 02:32:47 PM
...... How many people will use the 904 all the way round through Sutton to Walmley?
Well this is, indeed, the $64K question! :) The day journey time seems to be around 50-60 minutes compared with 25-ish on the 914 direct. If the new 904 ran direct through Falcon Lodge via Churchill Square (the existing 115/914 route) rather than round the estate via Reddicap Heath, Willmot / Fairfax schools and Lodge Crescent, the time saving might make it slightly more attractive. But there you go.
However, the key thing here is the increased frequency on the 914 to 20 minutes. For that reason, I can't see many people opting for the 904 to the City. If they'd left it at a 30 minute frequency, and I'd just missed one, I might have been tempted to hop on a 904, but there's no real incentive in doing that with the timetables as announced.
I do welcome the beefed-up evening services, (the 115 finishes around 18:30) and can see myself using the 904 that time of day from both City and Sutton, especially Saturdays. A much needed improvement. 8)
But dark clouds on the horizon. Just looking forward, it wouldn't surprise me if the footfall on the 904 between Falcon Lodge and Asda turns out to be pretty low. There's never been much of a local demand for a direct service as the 119 demonstrated - unless the increased frequency proves to be an attraction. That we'll have to see.
But I wouldn't place any bets against NXWM truncating the 904 back to Falcon Lodge come September 2016 ..... :(
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Edited to add: Just wondering - would Asda actually
pay anything to NXWM/Centro for running services direct into their store?
Quote from: Ossie on August 09, 2015, 07:58:10 PM
Well this is, indeed, the $64K question! :) The day journey time seems to be around 50-60 minutes compared with 25-ish on the 914 direct. If the new 904 ran direct through Falcon Lodge via Churchill Square (the existing 115/914 route) rather than round the estate via Reddicap Heath, Willmot / Fairfax schools and Lodge Crescent, the time saving might make it slightly more attractive. But there you go.
However, the key thing here is the increased frequency on the 914 to 20 minutes. For that reason, I can't see many people opting for the 904 to the City. If they'd left it at a 30 minute frequency, and I'd just missed one, I might have been tempted to hop on a 904, but there's no real incentive in doing that with the timetables as announced.
I do welcome the beefed-up evening services, (the 115 finishes around 18:30) and can see myself using the 904 that time of day from both City and Sutton, especially Saturdays. A much needed improvement. 8)
But dark clouds on the horizon. Just looking forward, it wouldn't surprise me if the footfall on the 904 between Falcon Lodge and Asda turns out to be pretty low. There's never been much of a local demand for a direct service as the 119 demonstrated - unless the increased frequency proves to be an attraction. That we'll have to see.
But I wouldn't place any bets against NXWM truncating the 904 back to Falcon Lodge come September 2016 ..... :(
It's not been designed to be used from City to Asda in my view it is maintain the frequency on the Sutton - Falcon Lodge - Walmley corridor. 10 min frequency or 6 buses an hour on that corridor.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 09, 2015, 08:04:42 PM
It's not been designed to be used from City to Asda in my view it is maintain the frequency on the Sutton - Falcon Lodge - Walmley corridor. 10 min frequency or 6 buses an hour on that corridor.
I appreciate that nobody would want to travel City to Asda by 904 - you've got Arriva's 116 for that. :)
Quote from: Ossie on August 09, 2015, 08:10:16 PM
I appreciate that nobody would want to travel City to Asda by 904 - you've got Arriva's 116 for that. :)
All the NXWM pass holders will use the service instead of the 116, where they would have to pay more when they already pay NXWM for their bus pass
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 09, 2015, 08:04:42 PM
It's not been designed to be used from City to Asda in my view it is maintain the frequency on the Sutton - Falcon Lodge - Walmley corridor. 10 min frequency or 6 buses an hour on that corridor.
I agree and for people who have bus passes and want to travel to Minworth from the City Centre. NXWM will now also provide a service from Minwoth to Sutton Coldfield after 8PM.
Bring back the 968 or whatever it was via Aston Expressway
See the 63n is being extended and reduced to hourly, makes sense really
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 14, 2015, 08:30:11 PM
See the 63n is being extended and reduced to hourly, makes sense really
Which is what they should have done in the first place!!
Also spotted but I haven't seen mentioned is that the 45 with be curtailed to run to Bournville College only with all 47 journeys extending to Rednal Island.
Quote from: MW on August 08, 2015, 01:06:43 AM
Also I think the stop move to High Street might get rid of the passengers who use the service from City to Sparkbrook which is also good! (I don't like stopping on Stratford Road when on the 37)
@MW You'll be pleased to know that the 6 is also moving to High Street! :D
The timetables are being adjusted, so the 6 and 37 provide a 3 minute frequency between city and Sparkbrook.
The 2, 3, 5 and 31 timetables are being adjusted, so between the four services there'll be a 5 minute frequency to Sparkbrook. Hopefully more people will use these services instead, making the 6 and 37 less crowded!
Good to hear - glad the 37 and 6 are moving round the corner - at least there won't be any more 45/47s parking up there. Also good if they're tweaking the timetables to get the 3 mins frequency - provided the Sparkbrook traffic doesn't ruin it!
Quote from: Stu on August 15, 2015, 10:00:15 AM
@MW You'll be pleased to know that the 6 is also moving to High Street! :D
The timetables are being adjusted, so the 6 and 37 provide a 3 minute frequency between city and Sparkbrook.
The 2, 3, 5 and 31 timetables are being adjusted, so between the four services there'll be a 5 minute frequency to Sparkbrook. Hopefully more people will use these services instead, making the 6 and 37 less crowded!
I personally think more people will use the 37 and 6 if they will provide. Combined 3 minute frequency and running more often than the others
@Stu
Yeah - most already do use the 37 and 6 between City and Sparkbrook/Hill - due to the frequency and the ease of them in comparison of the 5/31 etc.
How is moving a more frequent service (6/37) to High Street and moving all the Bristol and Pershore Road buses onto Carrs Lane going to make anything better?
Well the 45/47 seem to sit up there for a few minutes whenever I see them - the 6 and 37 tend to only spend 3 mins max in city. Other advantage is at least Sparkbrook passengers will be able to spread better between the 6 and 37 with them going from stops right next to each other.
Quote from: Stu on August 15, 2015, 10:00:15 AM
@MW You'll be pleased to know that the 6 is also moving to High Street! :D
The timetables are being adjusted, so the 6 and 37 provide a 3 minute frequency between city and Sparkbrook.
The 2, 3, 5 and 31 timetables are being adjusted, so between the four services there'll be a 5 minute frequency to Sparkbrook. Hopefully more people will use these services instead, making the 6 and 37 less crowded!
Whenever I have a single decker on the 37, at Carrs Lane, if there's a 2/3/5/31 (Trident/Gemini), loads of people go from the 37 stand to the others. People prefer doubles.
Quote from: MW on August 15, 2015, 12:07:25 PM
Whenever I have a single decker on the 37, at Carrs Lane, if there's a 2/3/5/31 (Trident/Gemini), loads of people go from the 37 stand to the others. People prefer doubles.
@MW I do not think most people care they will wait at the stand were the service runs most often in my case the 55/94 stand but if a 56/70 is quieter to be one of the first on the bus they will go to the stand or if that one comes first. A lot of people prefer to get a seat on a bus rather than standing on a overcrowded 55.
Quote from: 2206 on August 15, 2015, 03:05:54 PM
@MW I do not think most people care they will wait at the stand were the service runs most often in my case the 55/94 stand but if a 56/70 is quieter to be one of the first on the bus they will go to the stand or if that one comes first. A lot of people prefer to get a seat on a bus rather than standing on a overcrowded 55.
That's not the case on Hagley road, passengers will let 120, 140 & 141's go past just to get on a 9 with a standing load and this was before the new buses came too.
Quote from: pndriver on August 15, 2015, 04:08:42 PM
That's not the case on Hagley road, passengers will let 120, 140 & 141's go past just to get on a 9 with a standing load and this was before the new buses came too.
I've also noticed that they have the 1** phobia along the Hayley road
Quote from: pndriver on August 15, 2015, 04:08:42 PM
That's not the case on Hagley road, passengers will let 120, 140 & 141's go past just to get on a 9 with a standing load and this was before the new buses came too.
Yup, same as Carrs Lane, the public don't like single deckers! Well it's probably just the younger people who tend to sit upstairs.
Quote from: MW on August 15, 2015, 08:15:32 PM
Yup, same as Carrs Lane, the public don't like single deckers! Well it's probably just the younger people who tend to sit upstairs.
So if the public do not like single deckers why is every 55 journey living the City Centre either full or overcrowded. The 141 is double Deckers though. People prefer to get a seat that's why when a 56/70 turns up people will choose to get the emptier quieter bus than get an overcrowded bus. they want a seat
@MW that's why people catch the 56/70/94/55 from Jennes Road before it enters the City Centre.
Quote from: 2206 on August 15, 2015, 08:49:40 PM
So if the public do not like single deckers why is every 55 journey living the City Centre either full or overcrowded. The 141 is double Deckers though. People prefer to get a seat that's why when a 56/70 turns up people will choose to get the emptier quieter bus than get an overcrowded bus. they want a seat @MW that's why people catch the 56/70/94/55 from Jennes Road before it enters the City Centre.
I don't know why your getting upset/defensive. I'm giving my opinion based on observations I've made.
Quote from: MW on August 15, 2015, 11:06:47 PM
I don't know why your getting upset/defensive. I'm giving my opinion based on observations I've made.
I am not getting upset/defensive they are my opinions and what I have seen on the Washwood Heath Road and what I have seen on the Waswood Heath Road. I have been using the 55 for 10 years.
What are the confirmed changes to the route for 22/23/24/29 from Birmingham
Quote from: wembley86 on August 16, 2015, 02:11:00 PM
What are the confirmed changes to the route for 22/23/24/29 from Birmingham
@wembley86 nothing on here http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/birmingham-service-changes-sunday-30th-august-2015
yet it is list on the changes on page 1
Quote from: wembley86 on August 16, 2015, 02:16:36 PM
yet it is list on the changes on page 1
Where about on here
@wembley86 http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/birmingham-service-changes-sunday-30th-august-2015 probaly will just be reverting back to the timetable before the summer timetables
Black Country service changes are now up aswel http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/black-country-service-changes-sunday-30th-august-2015/
PD0001111/24 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Kitwell and Birmingham City Centre given service number 22/22S/23/23A effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/27 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Woodgate Valley North and Birmingham City Centre given service number 24 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
strange how NX dont have these on there wbesite,
Quote from: wembley86 on August 16, 2015, 02:32:14 PM
PD0001111/24 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Kitwell and Birmingham City Centre given service number 22/22S/23/23A effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/27 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Woodgate Valley North and Birmingham City Centre given service number 24 effective from 30-Aug-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
strange how NX dont have these on there wbesite,
@Wembely86 When you said they have them on there I thought that to were on about the NX website here is what's happening just a timetable amendment. http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/30August.aspx
http://m.greatbarrobserver.co.uk/Key-Perry-Barr-bus-route-8216-dismantled-8217/story-27645141-detail/story.html
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 20, 2015, 12:09:29 PM
http://m.greatbarrobserver.co.uk/Key-Perry-Barr-bus-route-8216-dismantled-8217/story-27645141-detail/story.html
More sensationalist headlines.
As I mentioned on facebook it's hardly gonna make a difference to the journey times, but "Oh my God you're changing something, we can't be having that without a moan"
Wasnt this how the routes used to be years ago?
The 52 & 59?
Quote from: Westy on August 20, 2015, 08:49:19 PM
Wasnt this how the routes used to be years ago?
The 52 & 59?
Kinda, the 52A bit is slightly different to the 59 it's does a loop down Beeches road and back up Booths Farm Road
Both every 20 mins though as well, just like they used to be
Just noticed on the new timetable there's also a later 51 now, 01:02 from town! Awesome :D :D :D :D
Quote from: Kevin on August 23, 2015, 04:20:16 PM
Just noticed on the new timetable there's also a later 51 now, 01:02 from town! Awesome :D :D :D :D
Earlier in the year, there was an extra 9 at 01:00 added, wonder if these journeys are added to see if it is worth running a night service on the route?
Here was me assuming the 15A/C would be every 30, given the routes it's replacing...
How silly of me...
Ho hum
But don't worry, apparently nobody uses these routes otherwise NX wouldn't be doing this [/sarcasm]
Quote from: Kevin on August 24, 2015, 07:39:53 PM
Here was me assuming the 15A/C would be every 30, given the routes it's replacing...
How silly of me...
Ho hum
But don't worry, apparently nobody uses these routes otherwise NX wouldn't be doing this [/sarcasm]
I bet they will class it as every 30 minutes there will be a bus, one clockwise and one anti clockwise but surely if there was the patronage there wouldn't be these changes?
Also. Seen bus stops around the area have been updated with new numbers on flags and timetables in the shelter, but nothing mentioned on any of the buses like normally happens, wonder how many people don't actually know yet?
Quote from: Kevin on August 26, 2015, 07:29:53 PM
Also. Seen bus stops around the area have been updated with new numbers on flags and timetables in the shelter, but nothing mentioned on any of the buses like normally happens, wonder how many people don't actually know yet?
There are notices on our Sutton buses. Quite a few people have asked me about the changes this week too
Quote from: Kevin on August 26, 2015, 07:29:53 PM
Also. Seen bus stops around the area have been updated with new numbers on flags and timetables in the shelter, but nothing mentioned on any of the buses like normally happens, wonder how many people don't actually know yet?
Noticed yesterday that the flags on Stratford Road have been updated, showing 6A instead of 5A, but the timetables have not yet been changed.
Quote from: Kevin on August 26, 2015, 07:29:53 PM
Also. Seen bus stops around the area have been updated with new numbers on flags and timetables in the shelter, but nothing mentioned on any of the buses like normally happens, wonder how many people don't actually know yet?
They had changed all the flags up to around the Alexander Stadium last Thursday on the 52/A :)
I presume YW will be running the 6A then?
Quote from: MW on August 26, 2015, 09:58:11 PM
I presume YW will be running the 6A then?
YW http://nxbus.co.uk/routes/west-midlands/B006A/?timetable[day]=&tab=
@MW
Upcoming service changes Sunday 30th August on the NX Bus website:
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/birmingham-service-changes-sunday-30th-august-2015
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/black-country-service-changes-sunday-30th-august-2015
There's also a little section near the back of today's Free Metro about the changes too.
Quote from: AV4248 on August 27, 2015, 10:03:54 AM
Upcoming service changes Sunday 30th August on the NX Bus website:
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/birmingham-service-changes-sunday-30th-august-2015
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/black-country-service-changes-sunday-30th-august-2015
There's also a little section near the back of today's Free Metro about the changes too.
They have been for ages!
Passed through Asda Minworth today. The 904 is terminating at the first layby as you go in, which seems a bit strange, as every service passing through Asda is flagged for that stop, bar the 116, which continues to use the second layby in solitary splendour ! :D
There is also a strange service flagged I haven't noticed before. It's the S23, igo, two trips each way, Fridays only, to Castle Vale, starting 09/09/13 according to networkwestmidlands.com .... do they mean 2015; it isn't on the 31/05/15 Birmingham map ....
Quote from: Ossie on August 27, 2015, 11:14:10 AM
Passed through Asda Minworth today. The 904 is terminating at the first layby as you go in, which seems a bit strange, as every service passing through Asda is flagged for that stop, bar the 116, which continues to use the second layby in solitary splendour ! :D
There is also a strange service flagged I haven't noticed before. It's the S23, igo, two trips each way, Fridays only, to Castle Vale, starting 09/09/13 according to networkwestmidlands.com .... do they mean 2015; it isn't on the 31/05/15 Birmingham map ....
No that's been running for a while also a S16 from The Swan to Solihull with only a few trips each way Friday only. That was on the stop in Castle Vale back in July.
Timetables here so, I think they are correct when they it started on the 09/09/13
http://jp.networkwestmidlands.com/centro/XSLT_TTB_REQUEST?language=en&hideBannerInfo=1&command=direct&line=46S23&net=cen&project=y11&sup=%20&lineVer=1&itdLPxx_direction=H&itdLPxx_line=46S23&itdLPxx_net=cen&itdLPxx_project=y11&itdLPxx_sup=%20&itdLPxx_lineVer=1&outputFormat=0&itdLPxx_debug=
Operated by IGO.
@Ossie
I imagine they'll be changing/editing the Sutton Lines branding soon?
A few notings from today. A 952 in service, as reported on the wrong destinations thread.
The 51 was still using BS4 despite notices telling passengers had moved to BS3. Has no one told Walsall drivers of the changes?
BS16 still has a flag for 45/47 although it had a timetable for the 6/37. One of the stops on Carrs Lane still showing as 6 stopping there. Quite a few confused passengers running between high street and Carrs lane.
Not a good impression of Birmingham's public transport system.
Lots of angry people in Perry Beeches this morning, so many people kicking off on facebook about not being told about any of the changes, either at the bus stops or on the buses themselves
isn't that network west midlands job to do the bus stops with the bus info
Not seen it mentioned anywhere but the 936 has changed this week between anchor bridge and streets corner, it is now taking the 935A route.
None of the bus stops have been changed so bet that has caused chaos!
I've finally seen a poster on the 66 about the changes!
And guess what? It says more buses between the city, Nechells AND ERDINGTON!!! So is the timetable wrong then?
Quote from: Kevin on September 02, 2015, 06:39:26 PM
I've finally seen a poster on the 66 about the changes!
And guess what? It says more buses between the city, Nechells AND ERDINGTON!!! So is the timetable wrong then?
No saw one of the 66E journeys to Star City yesterday
@Kevin should say more busses between City Centre, Nechells and Star City in my opinion
Quote from: Solo1 on September 02, 2015, 04:11:54 PM
isn't that network west midlands job to do the bus stops with the bus info
Yes pretty sure it is up to Centro. Quite a few in Sutton (Along the 904 route around Falcon Lodge Crescent at least) haven't been done, and quite a few people were asking me yesterday about the new times. There are still a couple with 115 times still in
Still a few leaflets missing in the Travel Shop.
The 51/X51 & the 934,935,936 & 997!
Quote from: Westy on September 02, 2015, 10:28:54 PM
Still a few leaflets missing in the Travel Shop.
The 51/X51 & the 934,935,936 & 997!
The one in West Brom doesn't have the 52/52A but still has the 952
Christ this really has been a shambles hasn't it? Online it says the 66 in town now stops behind the 65/67 on the Priory Queensway. And that's the only place it says it, the bus stops themselves haven't got any info about it like the ones on Bull Street did last week. The driver seemed to know this morning but came up to the top anyway because that's where we were all waiting
I don't know why the 15C stops with the 904 in Sutton, seems pointless.
It would have made sense to put it either with the 914 (as the 115 did), or even better, with the 71, and maybe move the 110 down to the 904 stop
Saw a 904 laying over in the "116" bay at Asda Minworth this morning; mind you, he had a tight squeeze as WMSNT's 1402 was already in residence! :)
I presume he'd have to go out of the superstore, round the roundabout and back in to the proper "904" stop to take up his next service ... it's quite weird seeing a d/decker in there after all these years. I suppose the last regular d/ds in Asda were the old green & cream North Birmingham Buses?
Quote from: Ossie on September 03, 2015, 08:37:40 PM
Saw a 904 laying over in the "116" bay at Asda Minworth this morning; mind you, he had a tight squeeze as WMSNT's 1402 was already in residence! :)
I presume he'd have to go out of the superstore, round the roundabout and back in to the proper "904" stop to take up his next service ... it's quite weird seeing a d/decker in there after all these years. I suppose the last regular d/ds in Asda were the old green & cream North Birmingham Buses?
Superstore ! Sorry just made me laugh
For anyone interested I caught the night 63 at the weekend at 3am and it seems to be carrying a few passengers.
I got on at small took Queensway and there was already another guy on it.
It picked up a couple more at the O2 academy and a further passenger just passed the university and one at the Weoley Park Road junction.
Only one person got off before selly oak triangle so it deffo makes more sense running to Rubery!