Problems with the overhead wires between Black Lake and Dudley Street today means no trams between the 2 stations. People have to walk between the two stations, with trams from either directions terminating at their respective station.
I don't know if this was related, but there was no conductors on either of the 2 trams I got on today. Normal for a Sunday service? (I couldn't imagine so)
If only they had Supercapacitors on the ubro3 trams. Then services could be run normally during overhead problems.
How did they turn back at Dudley Street? The first crossover is the other side of West Bromwich Central - did they run wrong line to there?
Quote from: Stevo on April 06, 2015, 07:23:16 PM
How did they turn back at Dudley Street? The first crossover is the other side of West Bromwich Central - did they run wrong line to there?
Yes, we had to use the Wolverhampton bound Platform at West Brom heading back to Birmingham
contractor markings on broad st outside the new library, looks like work could be starting in the summer.
Quote from: wembley86 on April 07, 2015, 08:56:20 PM
contractor markings on broad st outside the new library, looks like work could be starting in the summer.
Could be for works associated with Sprint too.
Quote from: Stu on April 07, 2015, 09:11:54 PM
Could be for works associated with Sprint too.
markings outside new library reflect both metro and sprint as the markings also appear on hagley road, currently water pipes are been moved on the broad street section ready for when metro/sprint works start.
Tram 28 is now in service :)
Seen at Snow Hill yesterday lunchtime were trams 18/19/21/23/25-29/32 in service
I rode from Snow Hill to St Georges this morning and there were no T69s out at all.
Tram 30 is now out.
Quote from: uniquicity on June 03, 2015, 08:32:01 AM
Tram 30 is now out.
As is 31 as it arrived into Snow Hill and it displayed NOT IN SERVICE with a full load of passengers
NX have signed a 'Transforming Tram Travel' partnership with Centro with 50 pledges up to 2018:
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-news/2015/08/17/midland-metro-fare-rises-to-be-capped-as-tram-future-outlined/
Breakdown of pledges:
http://centro.org.uk/media/577200/10-transforming-tram-travel-partnership-agreement-appendix.pdf
Quote from: Winston on August 18, 2015, 01:25:13 PM
NX have signed a 'Transforming Tram Travel' partnership with Centro with 50 pledges up to 2018:
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-news/2015/08/17/midland-metro-fare-rises-to-be-capped-as-tram-future-outlined/
Hopefully the Wednesbury to Brierley Hill /merry hill will happen. Will provide a faster link in Birmingham. Any news about the brierley hill to stourbridge reopening?
Quote from: Chris on August 18, 2015, 02:28:54 PM
Hopefully the Wednesbury to Brierley Hill /merry hill will happen. Will provide a faster link in Birmingham. Any news about the brierley hill to stourbridge reopening?
Can't see what route they would take between the Airport and Solihull? At one point I'm sure there was a extension from The City Centre to The Airport planned would make a bit more sense than Airport to Solihull if it went from the City Centre to Solihull and went thought the Airport on the way.
i think the dudley line needs to be done in bite size, (1) WGS - Great Bridge, (2) WGS - Great Bridge extend to Dudley
Express & star tonight has a bit on the metro
having wi fi by 2018
Quote from: 2206 on August 18, 2015, 02:46:19 PM
Can't see what route they would take between the Airport and Solihull? At one point I'm sure there was a extension from The City Centre to The Airport planned would make a bit more sense than Airport to Solihull if it went from the City Centre to Solihull and went thought the Airport on the way.
That must be an error in the article, as I have seen no proposals for a Metro line between Solihull and the Airport. Don't forget, the Airport is actually in Solihull anyway. ;)
The long-term aim for the Airport Metro line is to have it run through to Coventry, but this will be some years off, and there were no firm proposals for the exact route between the Airport and Coventry.
Quote from: Stu on August 19, 2015, 07:10:38 PM
That must be an error in the article, as I have seen no proposals for a Metro line between Solihull and the Airport. Don't forget, the Airport is actually in Solihull anyway. ;)
The long-term aim for the Airport Metro line is to have it run through to Coventry, but this will be some years off, and there were no firm proposals for the exact route between the Airport and Coventry.
Oh thanks for that
@Stu one thing I question about that line is could that eventually see the end of the 900.
out of curiosity how many people use the metro? everytime I go on it seems empty but never use it during the peaks
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 19, 2015, 09:10:23 PM
out of curiosity how many people use the metro? everytime I go on it seems empty but never use it during the peaks
On the 7:34am trip off Bilston Central I sometimes get during the holidays, it's being standing loads, all seats taken, most standing space taken as well, by the time you reach Wednesbury Parkway.
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 19, 2015, 09:10:23 PM
out of curiosity how many people use the metro? everytime I go on it seems empty but never use it during the peaks
@BU07 LGO - Regular standing loads during the peaks, especially in the mornings. Daytime isn't so bad. Only really go on it from the Snow Hill side not sure how busy it is by Wolverhampton.
The route maps above the doors have been removed from tram 33.
Quote from: uniquicity on September 07, 2015, 04:36:13 PM
The route maps above the doors have been removed from tram 33.
Posted this minutes before it broke at Snow Hill with dodgy doors
Quote from: uniquicity on September 07, 2015, 04:36:13 PM
The route maps above the doors have been removed from tram 33.
Posted this minutes before it broke at Snow Hill with dodgy doors
A few trams I've seen have got door problems. Not sure which ones but some have been covered in red and white tape, obviously not in use for whatever reason.
Quote from: AV4248 on September 07, 2015, 06:34:36 PM
A few trams I've seen have got door problems. Not sure which ones but some have been covered in red and white tape, obviously not in use for whatever reason.
Seem to recall this being 27
Tram 35 is now out in service :)
Trams 18,20,21,24,26,27,28,31,33,34,35 all seen in service today, (Thursday) 11am to 1pm with frequent (6-7min) intervals en route. There were several others stabled up at wednesbury depot UID. still no sign of trams 17/36/37? ???
Tram 36 out being tested today
Is the extension still due to open before the end of the year!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 01, 2015, 09:00:12 PM
Is the extension still due to open before the end of the year!
I've not read anything recently that indicates otherwise, but I will be amazed if it does.
Snow Hill is not being served for 6 weeks now, not 3 from 25th October.
Replacement bus service is planned apparently; not sure if this means hop on the 16, 46 or 74/75 or whether it is a separate service
Tram 36 was on test at St Pauls today.
Quote from: uniquicity on October 05, 2015, 06:16:37 PM
Snow Hill is not being served for 6 weeks now, not 3 from 25th October.
Replacement bus service is planned apparently; not sure if this means hop on the 16, 46 or 74/75 or whether it is a separate service
The 6 weeks include testing and the commissioning stage, so w/c 7th December could be the first trams back on the streets of birmingham.
This may help
http://nxbus.co.uk/files/MidlandMetro/news_images/InPreperationfortramsreturningtoBirminghamCityCentre....pdf
Quote from: horsencart on October 05, 2015, 09:31:27 PM
This may help
http://nxbus.co.uk/files/MidlandMetro/news_images/InPreperationfortramsreturningtoBirminghamCityCentre....pdf
They were handing out leaflets about this at the Snow Hill stop this morning, don't think too many tram passengers were impressed!
Hopefully the works finish as scheduled, would be interesting to see how it all ends up, especially around the Christmas period.
Still can't see it being open before Christmas!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 05, 2015, 10:02:09 PM
Still can't see it being open before Christmas!
Ha ha!
@Stuharris 6360 Knowing how long they've taken to do the extension so far I wouldn't be too surprised if it isn't open by then as well, mind you I suppose a lot of testing needs to be done on the line before it opens really so it could carry on longer than planned.
Quote from: AV4248 on October 05, 2015, 10:15:30 PM
Ha ha! @Stuharris 6360 Knowing how long they've taken to do the extension so far I wouldn't be too surprised if it isn't open by then as well, mind you I suppose a lot of testing needs to be done on the line before it opens really so it could carry on longer than planned.
i think they will run a ghost service once they have connected from st pauls - new line, Run empty from st pauls - new st and back to st pauls then normal line of route
I'm willing to bet (in £) the amount of UKIPs MPs on the remaining tram works not being completed prior to Christmas Day
One of the trams was on test today, think it was 36. Saw it stationary not doing much in Snow Hill earlier.
Quote from: wembley86 on October 05, 2015, 09:01:28 PM
The 6 weeks include testing and the commissioning stage, so w/c 7th December could be the first trams back on the streets of birmingham.
Will the former platform 4 be returned to Network Rail?
Yes.
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on October 10, 2015, 08:20:07 PM
Will the former platform 4 be returned to Network Rail?
I was at a rail users forum earlier this year and the Centro Manager attending couldn't confirm say that platform 4 would actually be reinstated for use by trains, just that it would be handed back to Network Rail!
I said that I had thought that the Metro City Centre extension plan had specifically included in it that the cost of the works to reinstate platform 4 for trains, but got a response that no it didn't >:(
Platform 4 would certainly be valuable as extra space when the service has gone wrong, don't know the track layout well, but could it be used for terminating Chilterns or LMs, save blocking a through platform?
As I understand it there will be a Tram Platform? on the new bridge that goes over Great Charles Street, this will mean that the tram will stop at the platform the traveling public can then walk up the grass verge and get into town that way, the other way will be by mean of a bridge that will be built of the former tram track, and they can the use the platform the exit the station that way, how long this bridge will be in position I do not know if it will be a temp bridge or not ?
Quote from: D10 on October 11, 2015, 11:17:50 AM
I was at a rail users forum earlier this year and the Centro Manager attending couldn't confirm say that platform 4 would actually be reinstated for use by trains, just that it would be handed back to Network Rail!
I said that I had thought that the Metro City Centre extension plan had specifically included in it that the cost of the works to reinstate platform 4 for trains, but got a response that no it didn't >:(
Network rail said as far back as 2009 that Platform 4 will be returned to rail use as Snow Hill is nearly reaching capacity.
Quote from: horsencart on October 12, 2015, 05:40:26 PM
As I understand it there will be a Tram Platform? on the new bridge that goes over Great Charles Street, this will mean that the tram will stop at the platform the traveling public can then walk up the grass verge and get into town that way, the other way will be by mean of a bridge that will be built of the former tram track, and they can the use the platform the exit the station that way, how long this bridge will be in position I do not know if it will be a temp bridge or not ?
perm stop, there will steps down so you can go to liverly st entrance for snow hill
Silly question; is the Child Day Return (standard or off-peak) valid until the last metro of the night? (Or at least after 2200) - also, when would be considered 'Off-Peak'? 1500-1800?
Child Fares: available to 5-15 year olds, children under 5 years old are carried free. Child fares cannot be purchased on the Metro after 2200.
Quote from: Solo1 on November 08, 2015, 10:58:13 AM
Child Fares: available to 5-15 year olds, children under 5 years old are carried free. Child fares cannot be purchased on the Metro after 2200.
Would presume that if you already have a child ticket, it will be valid for travel after 22:00?
Child fares cannot be purchased on NXWM buses after 2200 either, something I recently discovered.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 08, 2015, 12:56:35 PM
Would presume that if you already have a child ticket, it will be valid for travel after 22:00?
I think that's the answer I was after. Thanks
@Stuharris 6360 :) I'm quite familiar about the rules of ticketing on NXWM buses; Not so much on Metro, hence why I included "after 2200" in my query - I know child rate tickets cannot be purchased on buses after 10pm ;) . Thanks
@Solo1 and
@MW anyway. :)
Trams will being continuing to Bull Street on the 6th of December 2015!
http://centro.org.uk/about-us/news/2015/midland-metro-services-to-return-to-birmingham-city-centre/
Another Extension appears to be in the pipeline too!
"The route of a further extension through Digbeth has also been chosen, running between the Bull Street/Corporation Street, via Albert Street and on to the forthcoming HS2 high speed rail station at Curzon Street.
From there it would go along New Canal Street and Meriden Street into High Street Deritend, stopping at Digbeth Coach Station and the Custard Factory. It is anticipated the line could be open by 2023."
Network West Midlands appear to have hinted in a reply to a post made on their Facebook page that the full extension won't be served until early 2016 now:
QuoteNo, it will be St Paul's then to Bull Street. Snow Hill will open with the rest of the line early 2016.
Large delays this afternoon between Handsworth and St Pauls due to a broken down tram.
Tram 26 broke down at Handsworth. It was towed back to depot by tram 21
The honour of being the first tram on the streets of Brum goes to tram 29 (but not under its own power ) http://www.britishtramsonline.co.uk/news/?p=13171
Missed it! Still, I must go on Thursday. Anyone know what time HM the Q will be there?
Quote from: Stevo on November 16, 2015, 07:31:07 PM
Missed it! Still, I must go on Thursday. Anyone know what time HM the Q will be there?
There should be a tram in Bull Street for most of the day Thursday
Quote from: horsencart on November 15, 2015, 09:26:42 AM
The honour of being the first tram on the streets of Brum goes to tram 29 (but not under its own power ) http://www.britishtramsonline.co.uk/news/?p=13171
Queen & Phil the Greek are doing for visits in Bham, Midland Metro, Opening New Street Station, laying a wreath for the railway workers at new st, them opening the school of denstry.
https://www.facebook.com/networkwestmidlands/photos/ms.c.eJw9kMENwDAIAzeqgCSA91~_sLQ5I~_ZwOYRyIGTwdaaJqD34OPet7W4PswO8FuF6yvO3rQ32nB4aFfIZr3u9~_T2Oet~;eaT4wnr~_ZDluaofbv3g3kxzHti973MX91Pgn10~_tT8ie6f5TsvFPyP9QLNgD3v.bps.a.902296643153468.1073741832.127819147267892/902297153153417/?type=3&theater
tram in bull st https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/23130839232/in/dateposted-public/
Quote from: Solo1 on November 19, 2015, 03:40:47 PM
tram in bull st https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/23130839232/in/dateposted-public/
Pity Liz couldn't have had a ride on it!
After a tip off from a passer by that it was at 11:30, the platform real time came to life at 11:15 Centro welcomes HRH and Duke of Edinburgh to Birmingham but didn't count down and say when she was due. https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/S8G6q3
Got my Samsung moment and got glared at!
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/y44Dzn
Quote from: JoNi on November 19, 2015, 07:26:13 PM
After a tip off from a passer by that it was at 11:30, the platform real time came to life at 11:15 Centro welcomes HRH and Duke of Edinburgh to Birmingham but didn't count down and say when she was due. https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/S8G6q3
Got my Samsung moment and got glared at!
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/y44Dzn
Are the overhead wires switched on?
HRH sat at the controls but pantograph remained down, so no track done!
She opened the Victoria line on 7 March 1969 (46 years ago) at Victoria before buying a 5d (2p in todays money) ticket and travelled to Green Park. Oyster was still 32 years away!
Quote from: JoNi on November 19, 2015, 08:12:08 PM
HRH sat at the controls but pantograph remained down, so no track done!
She opened the Victoria line on 7 March 1969 (46 years ago) at Victoria before buying a 5d (2p in todays money) ticket and travelled to Green Park. Oyster was still 32 years away!
Just wondered as the inside lights were on and destination displays illuminated, take it was using battery power.
After HRH departed the platform real time screen went blank but tram lights and destination remained illuminated. Having got soaked and not being used to standing still on a street corner, I didn't hang around to wait it see it removed.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 19, 2015, 08:14:37 PM
Just wondered as the inside lights were on and destination displays illuminated, take it was using battery power.
Generator on the pavement looking at other pictures, in the second picture, you can just about make it out through the window of the limo.
It must have been on the pavement, as police motor bike out rider, limo and Range Rover support drove around the back of the tram as HRH undertook the naming, walked through the tram, sat at the controls then escorted by male with umbrella to limo!
How good of HRH to choose a brolly and a coat to match the livery of the tram. I wonder if Harrod's calls the colour 'Midland Metro Pink'!
This was the ticket to get you into the special compound I blagged mine after the event https://www.flickr.com/photos/dofartshavelumps/22726239917/in/album-72157632777301645/
more photos of the day just keep clicking the right arrow
So the destination display was set to scroll across the names of the royals. In normal service they show 'W St Georges' which annoys me. They could scroll the display and show 'Wolverhampton St Georges'.
Quote from: Stevo on November 22, 2015, 06:12:44 PM
So the destination display was set to scroll across the names of the royals. In normal service they show 'W St Georges' which annoys me. They could scroll the display and show 'Wolverhampton St Georges'.
That's disgraceful, how are visitors supposed to know where W St Georges is let alone West Midland residents.
The wiring wasn't finished yesterday, with bits missing and the northbound line still held on by temporary pulleys. How on earth will they get it finished, tested and in use by a week Sunday, the opening date to Upper Bull St announced by Centro?
Quote from: Stevo on November 21, 2015, 11:30:05 AM
How good of HRH to choose a brolly and a coat to match the livery of the tram. I wonder if Harrod's calls the colour 'Midland Metro Pink'!
Harrods?!? Far too down market for Her Maj...
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on November 25, 2015, 09:11:31 PM
Harrods?!? Far too down market for Her Maj...
Would've thought the Royals boycotted Harrods, because of who the owner is?
mohamed al fayed does not own Harrods now,
Quote from: Stevo on November 25, 2015, 08:26:44 PM
The wiring wasn't finished yesterday, with bits missing and the northbound line still held on by temporary pulleys. How on earth will they get it finished, tested and in use by a week Sunday, the opening date to Upper Bull St announced by Centro?
There is talk that the opening date may be put back to 20 December.
Any sign of trams 17 and 37 being available/in use anytime soon?. Still unseen by me anyway.... thanks
Quote from: Roy on November 29, 2015, 10:05:12 AM
There is talk that the opening date may be put back to 20 December.
Why bother then, just open the whole extension sometime in 2016 or 17 18 19 20 21!!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 29, 2015, 08:33:53 PM
Why bother then, just open the whole extension sometime in 2016 or 17 18 19 20 21!!
17 seems very illusive, arrived 2013.
Quote from: wembley86 on November 28, 2015, 03:21:37 PM
mohamed al fayed does not own Harrods now,
He kept that quiet then!
Quote from: Westy on November 30, 2015, 06:24:26 AM
He kept that quiet then!
No he didn't, there was loads of publicity in 2010 when it happened.
It is still on the Daily Mail's website from 2010 along with many others
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1275482/The-Harrods-sale-1bn-profit-Iconic-London-store-sold-Al-Fayed-Qatari-sheikh-secret-3am-deal.html
First tram to run under its own power on the streets of Birmingham has just arrived in Bull Street
Quote from: Tony on December 01, 2015, 03:28:24 PM
First tram to run under its own power on the streets of Birmingham has just arrived in Bull Street
I think I saw them testing the overhead wire on Corporation Street about 1ish this afternoon they were outside House of Fraser. Had 2 hooks attached to poles hooked over the main (live) cables did wonder why they were doing it for?
A little video I did of 35 running under its own power in Bull Street today is at
https://youtu.be/hepPZACZtdk
I was there too, just by chance. At last!
In fact that's me on the left, talking to the man in a woolly hat. (That's Barry Ware, who rescued Birmingham COG5 1107 from the scrapyard.)
Quote from: Tony on December 01, 2015, 06:21:14 PM
A little video I did of 35 running under its own power in Bull Street today is at
https://youtu.be/hepPZACZtdk
what are the white and grey things on the tram
Quote from: wembley86 on December 01, 2015, 08:17:24 PM
what are the white and grey things on the tram
@wembley86 They are to test the clearances of the tram to any object trackside that it may encounter.
Tram 35 was in Bull Street today, displaying that services to there will start on 6th December.
Good to see how up to date the Midland Metro website is, price of Metro Daytripper is shown as £4.80 when in fact it's £5.40!!
The route maps have been changed on the trams I went on today, they stand out quite a bit in pink and now shows the Bull Street stop.
Quote from: AV4248 on December 03, 2015, 06:30:11 PM
The route maps have been changed on the trams I went on today, they stand out quite a bit in pink and now shows the Bull Street stop.
Is there a new timetable for next week or will it just be that for Birmingham Snow Hill read Bull Street
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 02, 2015, 08:19:50 PM
Good to see how up to date the Midland Metro website is, price of Metro Daytripper is shown as £4.80 when in fact it's £5.40!!
I know 2012 for timetables as well,
Quote from: wembley86 on December 03, 2015, 07:40:52 PM
I know 2012 for timetables as well,
and Network West Midlands not much better, nice page on new service to Bull Street, and then click on the timetable, and it shows the service running from Snow Hill!!
They seem to be recruiting people to drive these trams, presume the PVR for it has increased because of the extension, (forgive me but I know nothing about the tram, have never been on it and no idea where it goes apart from Birmingham to Wolverhampton with the tram stop in Winson Green (11 and 101 route).
Shed load of internal vacancies have appeared on the noticeboard in AG, with around 5 adverts for tram drivers, then more for customer service related roles. Interesting. I wonder what it's like to drive one of these.
Quote from: MW on December 04, 2015, 09:46:24 PM
They seem to be recruiting people to drive these trams, presume the PVR for it has increased because of the extension, (forgive me but I know nothing about the tram, have never been on it and no idea where it goes apart from Birmingham to Wolverhampton with the tram stop in Winson Green (11 and 101 route).
Shed load of internal vacancies have appeared on the noticeboard in AG, with around 5 adverts for tram drivers, then more for customer service related roles. Interesting. I wonder what it's like to drive one of these.
Think when the full service to Birmingham New Street starts, they want to increase the frequency.
One of the trams was on Bull Street this afternoon
Quote from: MW on December 04, 2015, 09:46:24 PM
They seem to be recruiting people to drive these trams, presume the PVR for it has increased because of the extension, (forgive me but I know nothing about the tram, have never been on it and no idea where it goes apart from Birmingham to Wolverhampton with the tram stop in Winson Green (11 and 101 route).
Shed load of internal vacancies have appeared on the noticeboard in AG, with around 5 adverts for tram drivers, then more for customer service related roles. Interesting. I wonder what it's like to drive one of these.
There does seem to have been a staff shortage on the Metro recently, well according to their Twitter feed from around two weeks ago.
seen people walking down the track from colomore gate to bull st,
Around 4am on Sunday morning, there was a tram travelling by Snow Hill, would this be the start of overnight testing further down the line after Bull Street, or maybe some additional driver training on the small extension already open?
They can't start running into Corporation Street yet as the overhead isn't finished.
Strange how taxis are parking up on a tramway. There is no taxi rank on St Stephenson Street. so why are taxi cabs parking up.
Quote from: wembley86 on December 15, 2015, 07:24:23 PM
Strange how taxis are parking up on a tramway. There is no taxi rank on St Stephenson Street. so why are taxi cabs parking up.
There are no trams yet on Stephenson Street either, so the taxis won't be able to park there for long I reckon. ;)
The taxis are queuing to get into New Street station off Navigation Street. If they need to use Stephenson Street after the trams start running I suppose they'll have to wait in Pinfold Street till the queue into Navigation Street moves forward.
Just been on my first trip to Bull Street, what I can't understand is where is the Snow Hill stop going to be, couldn't see any evidence of it?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 17, 2015, 02:23:37 PM
Just been on my first trip to Bull Street, what I can't understand is where is the Snow Hill stop going to be, couldn't see any evidence of it?
There is evidence, you just haven't looked hard enough
You can be forgiven for missing it. It's a long way from the station, over Great Charles Street Queensway. They were erecting the inbound shelter yesterday. Bull St is as near to the station entrance as Snow Hill will be.
Quote from: Stevo on December 17, 2015, 09:37:38 PM
You can be forgiven for missing it. It's a long way from the station, over Great Charles Street Queensway. They were erecting the inbound shelter yesterday. Bull St is as near to the station entrance as Snow Hill will be.
Ah right, I did see people working there but I assumed that they were doing work to reinstate platform 4 for Network Rail.
Tram 34 is now out in service
yes I did the same route on Saturday thro to wolves there didn't appear to be any work in progress for a snow hill stop. Is there a completion date? trams 36 and 32 were clearly visible at wednesbury with at least another two in the yard area (UID).., presumably trams 17 and 37 are housed under cover in the depot ??? :-\
Quote from: windy miller on January 12, 2016, 03:14:59 AM
yes I did the same route on Saturday thro to wolves there didn't appear to be any work in progress for a snow hill stop. Is there a completion date?
Equally... Is there a date on the new street extension being completed? Only info I can find atm is just that work resumes early this year, which it has
There is progress on the Snow Hill stop, with platform edges and other work. It's on the bridge over the Inner Ring Road. They seemed to be concentrating on the Corporation St and Stephenson St stops last week.
Quote from: Stevo on January 12, 2016, 09:43:46 AM
There is progress on the Snow Hill stop, with platform edges and other work. It's on the bridge over the Inner Ring Road. They seemed to be concentrating on the Corporation St and Stephenson St stops last week.
They seem to be way behind, no evidence of stairs/lifts for the new enterance at st chads(Snow Hill)
...so how far is the bridge platform at snow hill from the one at st Pauls? 50yds?.... :-\
Inside Out on BBC1 is showing a short feature on Monday 18 January @ 19:30 about Birmingham's trams from the past and the present day if anyone is interested.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-35315282
Quote from: Kevin on January 12, 2016, 07:21:25 AM
Equally... Is there a date on the new street extension being completed? Only info I can find atm is just that work resumes early this year, which it has
I've heard it is due to open in Late February now... From a Centro member of staff.
The Erection of the Tram Shelters in Corporation St and Stephenson St, have to be completed first, there is also the Pavement work to be completed in Stephenson St and Corporation St , when this is done the next phase will be to test the tram on the track, this may done in the early hours of the morning with a police or other escort, or the track may be tested during the hours of daylight, as they did for the section to Bull St,
Quote from: horsencart on January 17, 2016, 04:09:53 PM
The Erection of the Tram Shelters in Corporation St and Stephenson St, have to be completed first, there is also the Pavement work to be completed in Stephenson St and Corporation St , when this is done the next phase will be to test the tram on the track, this may done in the early hours of the morning with a police or other escort, or the track may be tested during the hours of daylight, as they did for the section to Bull St,
February launch for these stops? Also i have seen the stop for trams coming out of new street but wheres the stop for trams new street bounds, is it going by new look?
Tram 36 is now in service.
No. 36 was in service on Monday 25/1/2016 caught it from Jewellery Quarter to Wolverhampton.
No. 37 in Bull Street today at 15.00 still on mileage accumulation with seats still covered with plastic protection.
Quote from: Chris on January 17, 2016, 11:50:58 PM
February launch for these stops? Also i have seen the stop for trams coming out of new street but wheres the stop for trams new street bounds, is it going by new look?
The enterance for Snow Hill still has to be built
I'm not sure there'll be an entrance other than walking down alongside the grassed track past the station and in front of those new office blocks.
Quote from: Stevo on January 27, 2016, 10:49:18 PM
I'm not sure there'll be an entrance other than walking down alongside the grassed track past the station and in front of those new office blocks.
I'm sure there was something mentioned about connecting it to the Livery Street end of Snow Hill. Maybe a bridge?
The information pillar at the Corporation Street stop mentions the 6 minute frequency coming soon.
The Express & Star report today that preparation work is to start in May 2016 on the extension along Piper's Row and Railway Drive to Wolverhampton Railway Station.
http://www.centro.org.uk/about-us/news/2016/battery-operated-midland-metro-trams-to-be-a-uk-first/
That's very interesting. I hope they lay the rails the right way round - if you look at the picture in the link by the town hall the rails have the railhead on the inside and the flangeway on the outside.
Old tram on the m6 junction 8 towards birmingham (off for scrap?
Quote from: Chris on March 01, 2016, 02:43:29 PM
Old tram on the m6 junction 8 towards birmingham (off for scrap?
Think the lorry has broken down or there is some issue, as it was still there when I went past an hour later.
Quote from: notepanel on March 01, 2016, 04:53:44 PM
Think the lorry has broken down or there is some issue, as it was still there when I went past an hour later.
I noticed, tail back were to junction 1 of m5
new st section cross over by pinfold st, I can see trams having problems with this section.
Why do you think that?
From Network West Midland website
"Friday 25 March through to and including Monday 28 March
Midland Metro will operate between Wolverhampton St George's and Birmingham Snow Hill stop.
The new stop at Snow Hill will be open temporarily to allow easier access to Birmingham city centre over Easter weekend. Access to Snow Hill stop is via Snow Hill Queensway."
Surely if it's safe to open the stop for a weekend, it's ok to open it full stop!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 15, 2016, 01:57:29 PM
From Network West Midland website
"Friday 25 March through to and including Monday 28 March
Midland Metro will operate between Wolverhampton St George's and Birmingham Snow Hill stop.
The new stop at Snow Hill will be open temporarily to allow easier access to Birmingham city centre over Easter weekend. Access to Snow Hill stop is via Snow Hill Queensway."
Surely if it's safe to open the stop for a weekend, it's ok to open it full stop!
Its basically an excuse so they can test it
Well Snow Hill will only have one platform ready by next Friday so can only be used as a terminus anyway... When Bull Street is back open it couldn't be used for both directions, seeing as the other side will be a building site so not safe for passengers.
They're digging up the points in Bull Street that have been in use for months - anyone any idea why?
Quote from: Stevo on March 26, 2016, 07:54:31 PM
They're digging up the points in Bull Street that have been in use for months - anyone any idea why?
I assume they were temporary points and this weekend's work is to allow the extension to be connected to what's already open, so I assume running empty to New Street and turning there?
I wonder if they'll be able to run to Stephenson Street before the April 23 testing date.
Car and tram crash yesterday at Priestfield
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-35910663
Quote from: John on March 28, 2016, 01:36:16 PM
Car and tram crash yesterday at Priestfield
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-35910663
the trams have been running for years how can he not see
the tram &the trams tracks
And the fact the tram would of been indicating so it is a bit hard to miss.
Battery Trams...
http://centro.org.uk/about-us/news/2016/deal-signed-to-convert-midland-metro-trams-to-run-on-batteries/
Noted tram 37 out this morning
Edit: in service before some smart arse comment about testing
Midland Metro was only operating between Priestfield and Wednesbury Parkway earlier today due to flooding and debris on tracks.
Tram 26 is leaking water from air con unit, but still soldering on in service 😜
Got chucked off at Benson Road in the end...
Engineering works between Snow Hill and Grand Central have resulted in trams terminating at Snow Hill over the weekend. I was interested to find trams were proceeding on the wrong side up to just after St. Paul's (where the next set of points are) even though there's a set of points at Snow Hill.
Currently problems with the overhead lines on the Metro due to power cuts resulting in services being delayed.
Yesterday the electronic tram stop displays were informing passengers of a '10 tram service only'. Did this mean only 10 trams running the system or a 10min frequency? Would this have been to do with the overhead line problems mentioned above?
Quote from: Gareth on August 21, 2016, 12:43:10 PM
Yesterday the electronic tram stop displays were informing passengers of a '10 tram service only'. Did this mean only 10 trams running the system or a 10min frequency? Would this have been to do with the overhead line problems mentioned above?
10 tram service - 10 trams in service.
Quote from: T840MAK on August 21, 2016, 10:05:55 PM
10 tram service - 10 trams in service.
To a passenger that actually means absolutely nothing. A passenger wouldn't know if they have wait 5, 10, 15, 30 minutes for their tram.
Quote from: Gareth on August 21, 2016, 10:17:12 PM
To a passenger that actually means absolutely nothing. A passenger wouldn't know if they have wait 5, 10, 15, 30 minutes for their tram.
I know - thats why i think its stupid that they advertise how many trams are out in service - surely its easier to say "a 10 minute service is in operation" or similar.
Tram 20 just left Wolverhampton running to black lake only anyone know why
Quote from: Solo1 on August 23, 2016, 03:25:20 PM
Tram 20 just left Wolverhampton running to black lake only anyone know why
There were some tree branches balancing on the overheads at Trinity Way
20 is the first I've seen with new branding on the Windows. Advertising an up to 6min frequency and fares from £1.
Quote from: Gareth on August 31, 2016, 04:36:02 PM
20 is the first I've seen with new branding on the Windows. Advertising an up to 6min frequency and fares from £1.
Been on for a few weeks now, did mention it but don't think the post went up because I attached an image over the size and was on my way into work.
They've updated the St Paul's stop with the black signage a la the city centre stops. Interesting that the current Snow Hill stop is renamed to St Chad's on there. And quite rightly too.
But they seem to be building a lift tower alongside the stop down into Gt Charles Street, which will give better access to Snow Hill station via the St Pauls entrance. It'll be quite a saintly tramway with three stops named after saints. I wonder if the Digbeth extension might carry on to St Andrews!
Quote from: Gareth on August 31, 2016, 04:36:02 PM
20 is the first I've seen with new branding on the Windows. Advertising an up to 6min frequency and fares from £1.
see my flicr site for pic stanjack its on the photo under midland metro
Quote from: Stevo on September 24, 2016, 10:26:33 PM
But they seem to be building a lift tower alongside the stop down into Gt Charles Street, which will give better access to Snow Hill station via the St Pauls entrance. It'll be quite a saintly tramway with three stops named after saints. I wonder if the Digbeth extension might carry on to St Andrews!
Only if the St Pauls entrance is open during the whole of the station opening times!
I don't understand why it isn't open continously anyway, the barriers at the Colmore Row entrance seem to rarely be operative.
RIP Birmingham Gateway
Looks like a new timetable from 3rd Jan... search for MM1 on Traveline timetables. More AM peak journeys from Wolverhampton from what I can tell, plus other minor changes
Snow Hill stop has being re-named to St-Chads
Except on the internal tram route diagrams and on the announcements.
Quote from: Gareth on January 03, 2017, 11:03:20 PM
Except on the internal tram route diagrams and on the announcements.
I assume either someone's forgotten to change the announcement program or they didn't record one for St Chads when they did the rest of them, which would be nothing short of bizarre.
Quote from: T840MAK on January 09, 2017, 12:42:07 PM
I assume either someone's forgotten to change the announcement program or they didn't record one for St Chads when they did the rest of them, which would be nothing short of bizarre.
My tram this morning (37 I think) had updated maps and announcements
In fact the one place you can't get to from St Chads is St Chads! Unless they open a lift and stairs down to Great Charles Street you have to walk alongside Snow Hill station to the end of the grass track and then come back down the road.
I hear that track replacement means the line from Priestfield and St Georges for upto six months from June. Has anyone else heard anything?
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on April 21, 2017, 05:38:22 PM
I hear that track replacement means the line from Priestfield and St Georges for upto six months from June. Has anyone else heard anything?
there was a artical in the express and star
Quote from: karl724223 on April 21, 2017, 05:51:40 PM
there was a artical in the express and star
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport-news/2017/04/20/key-midland-metro-tram-stops-to-shut-for-six-months/
http://www.britishtramsonline.co.uk/news/?p=17201#more-17201
Fatal accident at Kenrick Park on Sunday just gone https://www.facebook.com/British.Tramway/photos/a.394223990735238.1073741827.394220774068893/798909083600058/?type=3&theater
I tried the replacement services yesterday. Good announcements at stops and on trams that you should transfer to buses at The Crescent. Good signage at The Crescent too. Trouble is it took approx the same time from The Crescent to Wolves bus station as from Grand Central to The Crescent - around 30 minutes via the diversion. Still, generally very much better handled than last time. And they're really ripping up Bilston Street - more than half the rails on the southbound line removed.
Visited Bilston Road again. Lots of new track laid on southbound line, in various states from just 'sleepers' laid to fully concreted in and awaiting road surface. At this rate it should easily be done by Christmas.
Has the steps/lift at St. Chads (Snow Hill) officially opened? I went past it on the 16 yesterday, and it looks as though the construction fences have been removed. ???
Would make my journey to/from school much more efficient.
Quote from: CL on September 06, 2017, 09:01:07 AM
Has the steps/lift at St. Chads (Snow Hill) officially opened? I went past it on the 16 yesterday, and it looks as though the construction fences have been removed. ???
Would make my journey to/from school much more efficient.
Looks it, only 9 months late...
When was the last time you saw Tram 26 ??
26 became derailed in the depot around June and has been out of service since :-X
The first half of Tram 26 departed the metro depot at 13.00.pm Wednesday 20-09-17
and the second half departed at 1145.am on Thursday 21-09-17 both sections have been taken to Wolverton works for repair .
Has you all now Tram 18 has left for Spain to have batteries fitted , well " Sparky " returned last Friday at 0930.am
It was put Temporally put together and pushed into the new dept over the back of the metro depot .
The Arrival of Tram 18 "Sparky" from Spain on Friday 22-09-17
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I rode the metro recently for the first time and I have to say, I have positive views. I got to City Centre from West Bromwich fairly quickly. I opted to pay the single fare despite possessing a bus pass as I needed to be somewhere fairly quickly. I was surprised to see just 1 conductor and I was wondering how he managed to keep track on who keeps coming in and out. Fair play, its a good service and times are good.
Went to Wolverhampton - the new double-track points are in place where the extension turns off the St Georges line. Nearly all of the southbound track on Bilston Road is finished and much of the northbound track is laid, though a lot of it isn't yet concreted in. Should be finished in time for Christmas.
So is St Georges still being used as a terminus when its all finished with the extension to the railway station or not?
Quote from: Westy on October 24, 2017, 09:52:00 PM
So is St Georges still being used as a terminus when its all finished with the extension to the railway station or not?
I think the plan is to have trams alternate between St Georges and the train station as termini, although I don't see much point in that myself.
Midland metro wish the work is nearly done point taken the Bilston Road is nearly finished the new cross over is in place sadly i believe they have to do the track on the wish bone bridge which as not yet being touched also by st georges tram stop but besides that it's nearly finished am not sure the two i have mentioned will be done
Quote from: mark114 on October 24, 2017, 11:00:15 PM
Midland metro wish the work is nearly done point taken the Bilston Road is nearly finished the new cross over is in place sadly i believe they have to do the track on the wish bone bridge which as not yet being touched also by st georges tram stop but besides that it's nearly finished am not sure the two i have mentioned will be done
I wonder if they'll have to block off the island temporarily, so that they can do where the tracks cross over the road? Could maybe be done overnight, but who knows.
All of the track from The Royal to St Georges was renewed in the last closure, including that on the bridge, and St Georges was rebuilt from two platforms to one with simplified trackwork, so I dount that anything needs to be done now.
Quote from: Stevo on November 01, 2017, 09:42:44 AM
All of the track from The Royal to St Georges was renewed in the last closure, including that on the bridge, and St Georges was rebuilt from two platforms to one with simplified trackwork, so I dount that anything needs to be done now.
Oh yeah, forgot about that, I'm guessing the next closure will be Pipers Row then, since they've already added the tracks at the junction of Bilston Street.
In tonight's express and star the old metro trams are up for sale by tfwm and RBS
Quote from: karl724223 on November 30, 2017, 03:09:53 PM
In tonight's express and star the old metro trams are up for sale by tfwm and RBS
Here is a link to information about the auction:
http://email.intelligenttransport.com/q/17K8rDegTdyHnpmD0wDrwm/wv
"
This email has been sent by Intelligent Transport on behalf of the West Midlands Combined Authority
Dear David,
The West Midlands Combined Authority/Transport for West Midlands (WMCA) is delighted to announce an exciting one-time opportunity to own not only a piece of transport history, but also a fleet of 15 type T-69 light rail vehicles.
Originally purchased from Italian manufacturer Ansaldo Trasporti and in operation between 1998-2014, the former standard bearers of the Line One route between Wolverhampton and Birmingham city centres are currently in storage at Long Marston Airfield.
The e-Auction will take place on 29th January 2018 at 10am and will be hosted by BravoSolution.
The trams are currently owned by a subsidiary of The Royal Bank of Scotland plc (RBS). Each sale will be subject to satisfactory completion of any "know your customer" requirements which RBS may specify. Each winning bidder will be required to enter into a sale agreement in a form specified by RBS (which will be available on the BravoSolution e-Auction platform) and collect the trams from Long Marston Airfield within a specified time after the auction.
To register your interest in this unique opportunity, contact Chris Robinson, Metro Procurement Lead Officer, at: chris.robinson@wmca.org.uk "
Bilston Road is complete and will reopen to traffic on Saturday, with the tram service starting soon after testing on December 10.
Quote from: Walsall1955 on November 30, 2017, 05:29:00 PM
Here is a link to information about the auction:
http://email.intelligenttransport.com/q/17K8rDegTdyHnpmD0wDrwm/wv
"
This email has been sent by Intelligent Transport on behalf of the West Midlands Combined Authority
Dear David,
The West Midlands Combined Authority/Transport for West Midlands (WMCA) is delighted to announce an exciting one-time opportunity to own not only a piece of transport history, but also a fleet of 15 type T-69 light rail vehicles.
Originally purchased from Italian manufacturer Ansaldo Trasporti and in operation between 1998-2014, the former standard bearers of the Line One route between Wolverhampton and Birmingham city centres are currently in storage at Long Marston Airfield.
The e-Auction will take place on 29th January 2018 at 10am and will be hosted by BravoSolution.
The trams are currently owned by a subsidiary of The Royal Bank of Scotland plc (RBS). Each sale will be subject to satisfactory completion of any "know your customer" requirements which RBS may specify. Each winning bidder will be required to enter into a sale agreement in a form specified by RBS (which will be available on the BravoSolution e-Auction platform) and collect the trams from Long Marston Airfield within a specified time after the auction.
To register your interest in this unique opportunity, contact Chris Robinson, Metro Procurement Lead Officer, at: chris.robinson@wmca.org.uk "
To be honest, I would have thought it would have made more sense to operate the Brierley Hill extension with them to start with to see what customer numbers are likely to be, purchasing brand new trams for it doesn't seem to make sense?!
The T69s were never very reliable when maintained at Wednesbury. Having stood out of use for some time I'd have thought they're only good for scrap. Some of them haven't run for years, like 01 and 02. It would be good if WMCA would donate a complete one to Crich.
Quote from: Stevo on December 02, 2017, 10:09:03 AM
The T69s were never very reliable when maintained at Wednesbury. Having stood out of use for some time I'd have thought they're only good for scrap. Some of them haven't run for years, like 01 and 02. It would be good if WMCA would donate a complete one to Crich.
Would be good perhaps, yes, but whether Crich would want it is a different matter
I do sense a sort of aversion to "modern heritage" in the preservation world, the sad demise of the Electric Railway Museum in Cov and the lack of prospect for a lot of the stock perhaps an example, majority focus being on steam and diesel.
I'm grateful at least for people that have the foresight to preserve some of the low floor generation of buses being withdrawn these days
FULL Midland Metro operation is in operation again from tomorrow morning. A couple of days ahead of schedule.
Appeared to be running through but empty from Priestfield yesterday.
That's how they have been testing.In service to Priestfield then empty to Wolverhampton & back return to service at Priestfield
I rode today on the new section. Funny thing was, the extra 79Es were still running.
Since they are registered journeys there isn't much option.
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The tram is only operating between Wolverhampton, St Georges and Handsworth Booth Street only due to a police incident at Winson Green.
Quote from: mikestone on December 08, 2017, 09:41:57 PM
Since they are registered journeys there isn't much option.
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I suppose they came in handy in case there was still an issue.
Yes Trams are Wolverhampton - Handsworth due to a car being on the line.
I was in the city centre earlier, and despite the notices on the displays, incredibly there were still people waiting at the Corporation St stop. :D
Trams are now operating between Grand Central and Wolverhampton but please expect some delay.info on Twitter
Quote from: Jack D on December 17, 2017, 02:28:12 PM
Yes Trams are Wolverhampton - Handsworth due to a car being on the line.
Some sort of 4x4 on the grassy bit next to Snow Hill according to a bloke on the tram earlier, not sure how reliable that is though.
Quote from: DJ98 on December 17, 2017, 06:39:52 PM
Some sort of 4x4 on the grassy bit next to Snow Hill according to a bloke on the tram earlier, not sure how reliable that is though.
that happened before cantvrhey see the tracks
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/woman-arrested-after-range-rover-14054326
Quote from: Solo1 on December 18, 2017, 08:23:21 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/woman-arrested-after-range-rover-14054326
I wander what she was dong to end up there and how she managed to end up there (Perhaps a stolen car as one of the comments on the article suggest). I wander where she'd have joined the tracks, Colmore Circus Queensway in the City Centre?
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/news/former-midland-metro-trams-to-make-final-journey-following-auction-sale/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SocialSignIn
Would've liked to have seen one of the original liveried trams preserved, rather than a silver and pink one, but beggars can't be choosers. I remember there being some rumours of them going to the Isle of Wight to replace the old tube stock there, if one of the tunnels could have been adjusted, but either that fell through or someone was fibbing over on RailUK.
I do really miss the T69 trams though, at least when it comes to comfort, the new ones just feel too plasticky and plain inside, and the seats are pretty awful too.
What is going to happen to Tram 16 sitting at Wednesbury depot isn't that NXs tram. So when TFWM take over that will be gone too ?
Tram 26 is in 2 halves by the sheds any reason for this
Tram 26 has been returned from Wolverton Works by road in 2 separate parts, and been repaired after being damaged last year.
Why do so many of the new stock seem to have glazing issues, with what appears to be failed seals and moisture on the inside of the glaze? Also a lot of door faults and doors locked out. Not good considering their service
Will there be a new livery for the metro as it's going to
Be run in house so to speak network West Midlands running it from end of June
Quote from: Solo1 on May 23, 2018, 05:09:01 PM
Will there be a new livery for the metro as it's going to
Be run in house so to speak network West Midlands running it from end of June
Why would they change the livery? The trams are owned by TfWM and are already in their own livery, all that is changing is who operates the services.
Quote from: Stu on May 23, 2018, 07:02:40 PM
Why would they change the livery? The trams are owned by TfWM and are already in their own livery, all that is changing is who operates the services.
New brand....
Quote from: Stu on May 23, 2018, 07:02:40 PM
Why would they change the livery? The trams are owned by TfWM and are already in their own livery, all that is changing is who operates the services.
They are being re-branded as 'West Midlands Metro'
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport/2018/05/22/overhaul-on-way-as-midland-metro-is-rebranded/
At 12:55 the display at the stops including the Corporation Street Stop was displaying - "Trams are only operating between West Bromwich and Wolverhampton due to an Incident."
Someone has been hit by a tram at West Bromwich, Trinity Way -
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/2018/06/02/person-dies-after-being-hit-by-tram-in-west-bromwich/
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/midland-metro-shutdown-person-dies-14735259
Also there was a black cab taxi - LO16UET - driving down the Corporation Street Tramway at 12:40, didn't think they were supposed to do that.
What didn't help today was the Metro twitter account tweeting at about 10.30am that trams were running between Wolverhampton and Grand Central. A Tweet that up for about an hour before it was deleted. And when questioned about it, no reply, no explanation, no apology.
Incorrect information is more disruptive, confusing and stressful to travel plans than a lack of service.
looks like midland metro is changing to west midlands metro
here is the website:
https://westmidlandsmetro.com/directdebit/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SocialSignIn
@Tony will staff and partners pass be still allowed to use once tfwm take over?
Quote from: Jordan on June 20, 2018, 06:26:39 PM
looks like midland metro is changing to west midlands metro
here is the website:
https://westmidlandsmetro.com/directdebit/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SocialSignIn
From the looks of that, a repaint of the trams into blue could be likely.
Quote from: StourValley98 on June 20, 2018, 10:08:57 PM
From the looks of that, a repaint of the trams into blue could be likely.
They will be. Over the next 12-24 months we are expecting the fleet to be done.
Quote from: Dom on June 21, 2018, 12:23:10 PM
They will be. Over the next 12-24 months we are expecting the fleet to be done.
Will anything be done to improve the uncomfortable seating?
It is quite hard and uncomfortable,
@Dom since you are in the know, could you ask TfWM if we can have new seating.
A bit of a waste of money having the pink signage changed to blue. Don't fix that isn't broken comes to mind.
There's an article in the July edition of Modern Railways showing the same branding for trains, trams and buses. The logos are orange (trains), blue (trams) and red (buses). A computer generated image in the magazine shows a train in purple and orange, a bus in two-tone red and a tram in two-tone blue. In addition, to avoid confusion between West Midlands Trains, West Midlands Railway and West Midlands Rail, West Midlands Rail is being renamed to ... West Midlands Rail Executive, with a logo in the same style but in turquoise.
The idea is to have a brand & logo that people will associate with public transport within the west midlands in a similar way to the way the roundel works in London.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on June 21, 2018, 02:43:33 PM
It is quite hard and uncomfortable, @Dom since you are in the know, could you ask TfWM if we can have new seating.
A bit of a waste of money having the pink signage changed to blue. Don't fix that isn't broken comes to mind.
I'm not privy to exact details but there was talk of a refurbishment process during the rebranding stage. Whether or not these are still the plans I'm not sure.
Sorry I can't be of more help.
Quote from: Dom on June 21, 2018, 12:23:10 PM
They will be. Over the next 12-24 months we are expecting the fleet to be done.
Great news in my opinion, I've never liked the pink at all.
Quote from: Dom on June 21, 2018, 10:07:27 PM
I'm not privy to exact details but there was talk of a refurbishment process during the rebranding stage. Whether or not these are still the plans I'm not sure.
Sorry I can't be of more help.
A heritage style tram would be nice to replace tram 11.
@Dom 8) 8)
Wonder if it will be a case of where the pink is now blue
& wonder if any have been done & staying under cover till Sunday
Then coming out
Quote from: V89MOA on June 22, 2018, 01:46:48 AM
A heritage style tram would be nice to replace tram 11. @Dom 8) 8)
Personally, I don't see the point in heritage liveries if I'm honest.
Quote from: Dom on June 22, 2018, 10:40:20 AM
Personally, I don't see the point in heritage liveries if I'm honest.
Well in my opinion the main point would be free publicity, If the trams are being repainted anyway then it'd be a no brainer for tfwm to make a story out of it like the Ozzy tram. As well as the fact that it would draw in people's eyes especially at the busier Birmingham end. The other point of course is that it celebrates our public transport systems history.
They've updated the screens inside the trams to WMM blue now. Quicker than I expected
The first track is now laid in Pipers Row, but a lot of the route to the station has yet to be started. Doubtless they'll get Pipers Row open again before pushing on.
Around 1630 today the screen at St. Georges was reading
. .......................Mins
Services may be delayed at Peak Periods.
.
There was then an inaudible announcement which I think involved buses, tram 23 rolled in and the screen changed to services operating to Winson Green.
.
No explanation on website, just something cleared much earlier.
.
And why is there a sign outside the bus station saying "To Crown and County Courts only", implying you cannot exit at the St George's end?
Quote from: mikestone on July 03, 2018, 06:03:17 PM
Around 1630 today the screen at St. Georges was reading
. .......................Mins
Services may be delayed at Peak Periods.
.
There was then an inaudible announcement which I think involved buses, tram 23 rolled in and the screen changed to services operating to Winson Green.
.
No explanation on website, just something cleared much earlier.
.
And why is there a sign outside the bus station saying "To Crown and County Courts only", implying you cannot exit at the St George's end?
I thought everything was meant to be brilliant with a local authority controlled Transport operation???
Quote from: mikestone on July 03, 2018, 06:03:17 PM
Around 1630 today the screen at St. Georges was reading
. .......................Mins
Services may be delayed at Peak Periods.
.
There was then an inaudible announcement which I think involved buses, tram 23 rolled in and the screen changed to services operating to Winson Green.
.
No explanation on website, just something cleared much earlier.
.
And why is there a sign outside the bus station saying "To Crown and County Courts only", implying you cannot exit at the St George's end?
Lack of communication seems to be a reoccurring theme for the local authorities and operators in the Midlands
To be fair they have now added an item revealing it to be a lineside fire, and more interestingly that 18 is now doing a shuttle from Winson Green to Grand Central - I hope that is partially live to recharge the battery?
Quote from: Straightlines on July 03, 2018, 06:18:05 PM
I thought everything was meant to be brilliant with a local authority controlled Transport operation???
Was always a tad sceptical about the implementation of TfWM. I've no personal problems with it, yet. Though, during my ride home on the Metro today, (on two separate occasions) I witnessed a few passengers had asked for the Metro+Bus combination fare, which is no longer available - according to the conductor. Hadn't realised how popular such a ticket had become!
In the end, the ones who had asked for the aforementioned ticket settled for the Metro-only return. A rocky start to West Midlands Metro, in my opinion.
Quote from: V89MOA on June 22, 2018, 01:46:48 AM
A heritage style tram would be nice to replace tram 11. @Dom 8) 8)
As the trams are in fve sections you could have each section painted in a different heritage livery, Birmingham, West Brom, Coventry, Walsall and Wolverhampton? I know, I'll get my coat....
But a nice idea for expert photoshoppers, perhaps?
You couldn't make it up, this morning's reduced service blamed on twitter I quote by "operational requirements" that sounds familiar * cough * Redditch.
Not sure of it's been mentioned anywhere yet, haven't seen it. Tram 31 now has battery packs fitted and was seen in service this morning.
Quote from: Gareth on July 07, 2018, 08:59:24 PM
Not sure of it's been mentioned anywhere yet, haven't seen it. Tram 31 now has battery packs fitted and was seen in service this morning.
photo on photo links of 31
Quote from: Dom on June 21, 2018, 10:07:27 PM
I'm not privy to exact details but there was talk of a refurbishment process during the rebranding stage. Whether or not these are still the plans I'm not sure.
Just seen a photo of the first one being done, very surprised to see that the tfwm budget doesn't stretch to paint!
Quote from: V89MOA on July 12, 2018, 02:55:24 PM
Just seen a photo of the first one being done, very surprised to see that the tfwm budget doesn't stretch to paint!
Could we see the picture? Or is there a link of the picture?
Quote from: P419 EJW on July 12, 2018, 04:41:02 PM
Could we see the picture? Or is there a link of the picture?
https://twitter.com/samjessupdesign/status/1017398048127963136?s=12
Quote from: V89MOA on July 12, 2018, 02:55:24 PM
Just seen a photo of the first one being done, very surprised to see that the tfwm budget doesn't stretch to paint!
What's your problem? This is common practise for rail vehicles and not 'the cheap option'
Quote from: V89MOA on July 12, 2018, 05:29:14 PM
https://twitter.com/samjessupdesign/status/1017398048127963136?s=12
Thanks. Will be interesting to see the finished version.
Quote from: V89MOA on July 12, 2018, 02:55:24 PM
Just seen a photo of the first one being done, very surprised to see that the tfwm budget doesn't stretch to paint!
Most tram/rail vehicles are vinyl wrapped
wonder if it will be out Friday 13 in the new blue
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on July 12, 2018, 08:09:37 PM
Most tram/rail vehicles are vinyl wrapped
I can see I'm outnumbered on this one!
Last time I checked Northern were having all of their longer term 15* DMU's repainted, as well as GWR, and Virgin are slowly repainting all of the 390s white. I was under the impression that Vinyling is confined to details only (Virgin's Red Swoop), fleetnames, or temporary commemorative liveries, rather than whole liveries on mass as seems to be the case with tfwm.
I also seem to recall the T69s being repainted into silver rather than wrapped?
I think they get a base paint coat then a vinyl on top
https://youtu.be/34oFzx9whI8
Trans Pennines class 185
Some have gained the West Midlands Metro logo now
Quote from: CL on July 16, 2018, 03:38:24 PM
Some have gained the West Midlands Metro logo now
And tram 31 is out in the new livery
Photo of tram 31 in new livery in photo links
I am speechless.
http://www.metro-report.com/news/light-rail/single-view/view/midland-metro-third-generation-tram-procurement-launched.html
Quote from: V89MOA on August 02, 2018, 01:27:59 PM
I am speechless.
http://www.metro-report.com/news/light-rail/single-view/view/midland-metro-third-generation-tram-procurement-launched.html
Why are you speechless?
Quote from: Tony on August 02, 2018, 02:14:53 PM
Why are you speechless?
I'm just astounded at the amount of taxpayer money being thrown at this loss maker. Three and Four year old trams currently that are having a lot of money spent on batteries, refurbishment and rebranding all to be completely replaced over the coming years, if that article is worded correctly (maybe they meant to put stock solely for the extensions, rather than ML1)? When you look at other tram networks across the UK and the world they tend to get at least 20 years service out of their fleet, if not more.
I wonder how much champagne the NX board of directors & shareholders got through when tfwm announced they were taking this loss maker back!
Quote from: V89MOA on August 02, 2018, 04:18:30 PM
I'm just astounded at the amount of taxpayer money being thrown at this loss maker. Three and Four year old trams currently that are having a lot of money spent on batteries, refurbishment and rebranding all to be completely replaced over the coming years, if that article is worded correctly (maybe they meant to put stock solely for the extensions, rather than ML1)? When you look at other tram networks across the UK and the world they tend to get at least 20 years service out of their fleet, if not more.
I wonder how much champagne the NX board of directors & shareholders got through when tfwm announced they were taking this loss maker back!
Nothing says they are going to be replaced. They are just looking at ordering new ones for the extensions
Quote from: Tony on August 02, 2018, 05:37:16 PM
Nothing says they are going to be replaced. They are just looking at ordering new ones for the extensions
Just a poorly written article then "The WMCA has begun the process of procuring a third generation of trams for the Midland Metro line, including future extensions." implies the existing line would be getting them too! I'll hold my hands up, I got that one wrong.
Given that the plan is for through trams from Brierley Hill to Birmingham and to Wolverhampton then the all trams, including any new ones, will be used on the current line plus the extension to Brierley Hill.
Having been at the metro depot today. I've been told that the fleet is to triple in size when all the extensions are complete. The current CAF trams are all being fitted with batteries and this process is now being done in house. Each team is taking about 4 weeks.
Why would you think that WMM would replace 3 year old trams? Surely no matter how poorly an article is wored common sense would prevail that no company in their right mind would replace nearly new trams that are having further modifications.
Quote from: Dom on August 02, 2018, 06:56:03 PM
Why would you think that WMM would replace 3 year old trams? Surely no matter how poorly an article is wored common sense would prevail that no company in their right mind would replace nearly new trams that are having further modifications.
Because it's tfwm...
Quote from: V89MOA on August 02, 2018, 06:58:03 PM
Because it's tfwm...
No, it's West Midlands Metro. Yes, oprayed by TfWM but still have the same staff from when it was with NX. Simply a change of brand.
Quote from: Dom on August 02, 2018, 07:08:19 PM
No, it's West Midlands Metro. Yes, oprayed by TfWM but still have the same staff from when it was with NX. Simply a change of brand. It's just simply you trying pick fault with TfWM again.
Not exactly difficult is it Dom 😂😂
The CAF trams are rubbish anyway, the seats are like rocks and there's barely enough. I as many people would rather have the T69's back!
Quote from: Jack on August 02, 2018, 08:54:53 PM
The CAF trams are rubbish anyway, the seats are like rocks and there's barely enough. I as many people would rather have the T69's back!
Yes! Let's go back to having teams with 25% less capacity, oh and having 16 (also unreliable) trams to run a 15 tram peak service
I'm glad they are getting new trams for the new extension
@V89MOA the extension is needed from wednesbury to Brierley Hill as the traffic is becoming a nightmare as a local I would love in the future for an extension to Kingswinford or womborne (There is an old railway line that used to run by Bromley lane. I know I have said TfWM have wasted some money on some pointless changes (still don't think the bus livery will stay as diamond aren't too happy with the idea but still giving it a whirl). Why is TfWM doing this when you have cities like Greater Manchester with stagecoach, first, northern and metro link using their own liveries regardless that its a combined authority
Quote from: uniquicity on August 02, 2018, 09:25:05 PM
Yes! Let's go back to having teams with 25% less capacity, oh and having 16 (also unreliable) trams to run a 15 tram peak service
Most of the paying public don't generally accept standing room as capacity (yes I know technically it is). The T69 had more seats per vehicle than the Urbos 3 and that is what counts with most people, and as Jack said they were far comfier! A lesson west midlands failway will learn when the 323s are replaced with metro style rubbish and the complaints start rolling in.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on August 02, 2018, 09:43:43 PM
I'm glad they are getting new trams for the new extension @V89MOA the extension is needed from wednesbury to Brierley Hill as the traffic is becoming a nightmare as a local I would love in the future for an extension to Kingswinford or womborne (There is an old railway line that used to run by Bromley lane. I know I have said TfWM have wasted some money on some pointless changes (still don't think the bus livery will stay as diamond aren't too happy with the idea but still giving it a whirl). Why is TfWM doing this when you have cities like Greater Manchester with stagecoach, first, northern and metro link using their own liveries regardless that its a combined authority
Traffic is worse than ever in Birmingham but they are doing sod all about it. If they spent half as much extra on Bus infrastructure in Birmingham as they do on these tram extensions I genuinely wouldn't complain but it's an insult to the people of Birmingham that buses are pushed aside for these white elephants. Heck the powers that be couldn't even come up with a solution to the layout at the QE hospital so instead it loses public transport links!
Quote from: V89MOA on August 02, 2018, 09:44:37 PM
Most of the paying public don't generally accept standing room as capacity (yes I know technically it is). The T69 had more seats per vehicle than the Urbos 3 and that is what counts with most people, and as Jack said they were far comfier! A lesson west midlands failway will learn when the 323s are replaced with metro style rubbish and the complaints start rolling in.
On the 11 and 55/94 the majority of people will actually fill 1 bus making it overcrowded with lots of people standing, while there are another 2 empty buses right behind. Some people don't like having to stand, but there are clearly plenty who are willing to stand.
Quote from: 2206 on August 02, 2018, 09:56:48 PM
On the 11 and 55/94 the majority of people will actually fill 1 bus making it overcrowded with lots of people standing, while there are another 2 empty buses right behind. Some people don't like having to stand, but there are clearly plenty who are willing to stand.
A lot of the time though if you try and get the empty one they will just drive straight past and point to the one in front. Most people don't want to take the chance of being stranded if they have already waited so just accept it, there's a difference between choosing to do something and being willing to do it.
Quote from: V89MOA on August 02, 2018, 09:44:37 PM
Most of the paying public don't generally accept standing room as capacity (yes I know technically it is). The T69 had more seats per vehicle than the Urbos 3 and that is what counts with most people, and as Jack said they were far comfier! A lesson west midlands failway will learn when the 323s are replaced with metro style rubbish and the complaints start rolling in.
Thank you! Some sense at last!
Quote from: V89MOA on August 02, 2018, 09:47:15 PM
Traffic is worse than ever in Birmingham but they are doing sod all about it. If they spent half as much extra on Bus infrastructure in Birmingham as they do on these tram extensions I genuinely wouldn't complain but it's an insult to the people of Birmingham that buses are pushed aside for these white elephants. Heck the powers that be couldn't even come up with a solution to the layout at the QE hospital so instead it loses public transport links!
I agree, bloody tram means bus users are shoved where ever possible. The QE is like a pit stop for those taxis. Cough TfWM, everything is about the bloody metro.
Quote from: V89MOA on August 02, 2018, 09:59:49 PM
A lot of the time though if you try and get the empty one they will just drive straight past and point to the one in front. Most people don't want to take the chance of being stranded if they have already waited so just accept it, there's a difference between choosing to do something and being willing to do it.
I agree sometimes if you choose to try and stop the one behind some of the time they will just straight past you pointing and waving at the bus infront.
But even when 2 55's arrived in the City Centre together at exactly the same time and the first one drove straight past onto the X12/X70 stand, most the people waiting all went following each other walking towards that one rather than the one that pulled up behind it at exactly the same time, some people clearly don't mind it. The one at the front left with a standing load and the one at the back only a few passengers onboard.
Though at the same time there are plenty that do mind it and would prefer to wait for the next one or not to have to do it (but get on because the one at the back often just drives past) I personally would usually rather wait for the next one than squash myself into an overcrowded bus.
Quote from: 2206 on August 02, 2018, 10:10:52 PM
I agree sometimes if you choose to try and stop the some of the time they will just straight past you pointing and waving at the bus infront.
But even when 2 55's arrived in the City Centre together at exactly the same time and the first one drove straight past onto the X12/X70 stand, the passengers all went following each other walking towards that one rather than the one that pulled up behind it at exactly the same time, some people clearly don't mind it. The one at the front left with a standing load and the one at the back only a few passengers onboard.
Though at the same time there are plenty that do mind it and would prefer to wait for the next one or not to have to do it (but get on because the one at the back often just drives past) I personally would usually rather wait for the next one than squash myself into an overcrowded bus.
Again though that is probably habit, when two buses are in on one of those stands in town the one behind will usually tell you to wait while they change driver or signal at you through the windscreen not to get on, so out of habit most people just pounce for the one in front. I am the same as you, I will always try and choose the empty one but most of the time the driver's make it impossible and there is nothing we can do about it, most people just go for the safest option of getting home, doesn't mean they are happy about it.
Anyway I'm shutting up before this thread goes completely off topic 😂
Tram 36 now has batteries, old livery though.
You guys aren't seeing it from the drivers point of view. On a busy service like the 11, say two buses arrive in Harborne on the 11C for example. If I'm driving the bus behind and I can see that there's a crowd and if I can tell that they'll all fit on the bus, I'll hang back and unload. I would point people boarding to the bus in front. If I let a few one then the entire crowd will split and start heading for my
emptier bus.
The reason I do this is once I'm done at this stop, I can depart before the bus in front who's most likely still loading. The full bus is likely to stop at most stops now between say Harborne and Bearwood due to people wanting to come off. Me in front, I can basically pave the way for the other bus. And I'll be faster because I've not got to constantly stop due to having little to no passengers.
If I had waited with the other bus and began loading passengers, we would both be slow and have no chance to get back on time.
Does that make sense?
@V89MOA @2206
Quote from: V89MOA on August 02, 2018, 09:44:37 PM
Most of the paying public don't generally accept standing room as capacity (yes I know technically it is). The T69 had more seats per vehicle than the Urbos 3 and that is what counts with most people, and as Jack said they were far comfier! A lesson west midlands failway will learn when the 323s are replaced with metro style rubbish and the complaints start rolling in.
I'd argue against that. For a metro / tram style service standing is generally regarded (worldwide) as the norm. Would you say the Underground in London would be better off with normal train seating?
Quote from: Kevin on August 03, 2018, 11:56:59 AM
I'd argue against that. For a metro / tram style service standing is generally regarded (worldwide) as the norm. Would you say the Underground in London would be better off with normal train seating?
I agree with you Kevin
On this sort of work you provide enough seats for off-peak loading, but enough
Capacity for peak loading. With the cross city going 6 car there will be more than enough seats off-peak.
Same with the trams. Off-peak it is not often there's more passengers than seats. That's not to say people aren't standing, because some prefer to do that rather than sit next to someone.
Quote from: Kevin on August 03, 2018, 11:56:59 AM
I'd argue against that. For a metro / tram style service standing is generally regarded (worldwide) as the norm. Would you say the Underground in London would be better off with normal train seating?
No comparison really, the underground is a properly coordinated network which has been running at maximum capacity for many years with trains up to every 90 seconds on most lines during the peak, they have no choice as they cannot physically fit anymore vehicles onto the network without the issue of bunching becoming uncontrollable. The cross city line is currently only running every 10 minutes, and the metro every 6 at peaks so there is no excuse.
Quote from: MW on August 03, 2018, 11:48:46 AM
You guys aren't seeing it from the drivers point of view. On a busy service like the 11, say two buses arrive in Harborne on the 11C for example. If I'm driving the bus behind and I can see that there's a crowd and if I can tell that they'll all fit on the bus, I'll hang back and unload. I would point people boarding to the bus in front. If I let a few one then the entire crowd will split and start heading for my
emptier bus.
The reason I do this is once I'm done at this stop, I can depart before the bus in front who's most likely still loading. The full bus is likely to stop at most stops now between say Harborne and Bearwood due to people wanting to come off. Me in front, I can basically pave the way for the other bus. And I'll be faster because I've not got to constantly stop due to having little to no passengers.
If I had waited with the other bus and began loading passengers, we would both be slow and have no chance to get back on time.
Does that make sense? @V89MOA @2206
I understand why you'd do it but the late one Infront will then be made even later anyway because he's got a full bus and is pretty much guaranteed to stop at every stop for the next 3 miles, while falling further behind in the traffic jams and having no hope of making time back without adjustment (which doesn't seem to happen as much these days anyway).
This is what annoys me, in any other commercial industry keeping the customer happy is generally the number 1 priority, if the customer isn't happy then something has gone wrong with the product/service, but for some reason in transport it tends to just be keeping profit margins maximized at all costs...
Tram 36 now has battery power
Official announcement:
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/news/more-battery-powered-trams-on-the-way/
When does work on the junction of lower bull st/coporation st start as needs to start before trams arrive on Broad St
Quote from: Ginger66 on August 18, 2018, 03:02:25 PM
When does work on the junction of lower bull st/coporation st start as needs to start before trams arrive on Broad St
That will probably be done much later when the Eastside extension gets underway, works start at Paradise Circus from Monday 3rd September until next year for the Edgbaston (Westside) extension.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/campaigns/major-roadworks-and-events/paradise-circus-closure/
I don't think the Eastside extension has been finalised just yet:
http://metroalliance.co.uk/projects/birmingham-eastside-extension/
Quote from: Ginger66 on August 18, 2018, 03:02:25 PM
When does work on the junction of lower bull st/coporation st start as needs to start before trams arrive on Broad St
Why does it need to start before Broad Street?
Quote from: Tony on September 13, 2018, 08:23:11 PM
Why does it need to start before Broad Street?
Maybe he's thinking there won't be any route availability to Broad St when work on the Corporation St/Lower Bull St turnout starts. Might have a point unless MMA have a cunning contingency plan on the table. Single line running at that point perhaps?
Quote from: RW on September 15, 2018, 08:52:59 AM
Maybe he's thinking there won't be any route availability to Broad St when work on the Corporation St/Lower Bull St turnout starts. Might have a point unless MMA have a cunning contingency plan on the table. Single line running at that point perhaps?
I would be catching trams from edgbaston to west bromwich
Am on the train to Tame Bridge via Soho from New St and have just caught my first glimpse of a tram running on battery power. As we crossed the metro line, tram 31 was pulling into Winson Green with its pantograph down. Don't know whether this is part of testing or whether it will become a regular occurrence.
Read a post that said that battery trams run between 2 stations
with the pantograph down
I think they run on battery power between Handsworth Booth Street and Soho Benson Road.
Cheers
@Solo1 &
@Stevo. Obviously it was between Handsworth and Soho so that would explain it. I wasn't aware previously but it's good to know the batteries are working!
There is another tram been changed into blue anyone know
the id of the tram
Tram 21 now has battery power but still in the old livery.
I had a crack at updating an old, outdated route map/track diagram to show the current route, it could be of use to someone here. I'll try and keep it up to date when extensions are opened.
(https://i.imgur.com/zfgWhvU.png)
Essential engineering works on the Metro tomorrow between 8am to 1pm (approximately)
Replacement buses will be used; does anybody know which garage they'll be from. Though I suppose I could wait and see for myself, tomorrow.
Quote from: CL on January 12, 2019, 10:58:30 PM
Essential engineering works on the Metro tomorrow between 8am to 1pm (approximately)
Replacement buses will be used; does anybody know which garage they'll be from. Though I suppose I could wait and see for myself, tomorrow.
We'll maybe BC or WB
Or maybe even Green Bus as there depot is right next to Soho Benson Road Tram stop
Passenger announcement: The scheduled engineering works have been completed ahead of time and we are now running a normal Sunday service across the whole network. This was on their Twitter page.
West Midlands Metro:
Due to emergency bridge repairs required between the Jewellery Quarter and Soho Benson Rd by Network Rail, tram services may be affected on Thursday 24 January.
Work will take place from the end of service on Wednesday until completed. Network Rail hopes to complete the works before the first tram runs however if works run over the following tram service will operate. Please check the latest information from West Midlands Metro before you travel.
No service will operate between Grand Central and Soho Benson Road.
Passengers are advised to use National Express West Midlands bus service 74 from West Bromwich Bus Station Stand H to Birmingham.
Passengers travelling from Birmingham towards West Brom should use stop SH5 on Old Square, near the Square Peg Pub.
From Network West Midlands website
This is from metro website https://westmidlandsmetro.com/using-the-metro/service-status/
Quite surprised if this bridge work is such an emergency, that trams have been allowed to continue until close of service.
Normal service see link https://twitter.com/WMmetro/status/1088294193825566720?s=19
I'm not sure how long its had it but, Tram 21 now has an overall Just Eat add and is now in West Midland Metro livery.
Tram 21 with ad https://flic.kr/p/2eLEkzA
Have TFWM abandon full two tone blue trams?
No dont think there too bothered about the colour they just want the moner from the crap of fast food ads great example to show children and other people that see it. Should be banned !!!
Quote from: Jaysnerz007 on February 20, 2019, 11:49:10 PM
No dont think there too bothered about the colour they just want the moner from the crap of fast food ads great example to show children and other people that see it. Should be banned !!!
For what it's worth, you can get healthy stuff on Just Eat too. It's the parent's fault if they go on there and order junk food for their kids.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on February 20, 2019, 07:45:20 PM
Have TFWM abandon full two tone blue trams?
yes heard someone on the tram saying cost so will be front only & adverts like 18 21 & 36
Contravision just where I sit in the middle! I hate staring through dots!
Quote from: Stevo on February 24, 2019, 07:15:04 PM
Contravision just where I sit in the middle! I hate staring through dots!
Contravision, whoever invented that needs shooting, windows are for looking through, not for obscuring with stupid adverts.
Sorry if this has been asked before but will Wolverhampton St Georges tram stop be taken out when the extension to the train station opens?
@Stuharris 6360 don't apologise its a legit question buddy. To my understanding I believe I read somewhere trams will run to alternate destinations...
Will be very interesting to see how this manifests when the merry hill extension is complete. Would be nice to be able to get from merry hill to Wolverhampton on one tram when the system eventually gets extended.
Quote from: danny on February 26, 2019, 10:28:16 PM
@Stuharris 6360 don't apologise its a legit question buddy. To my understanding I believe I read somewhere trams will run to alternate destinations...
Will be very interesting to see how this manifests when the merry hill extension is complete. Would be nice to be able to get from merry hill to Wolverhampton on one tram when the system eventually gets extended.
Thanks
@danny for the reply. I to am interested in the Merry Hill extension, especially as it will create some better journey opportunities, hopefully it won't be to long in coming.
If I'm not mistaken isn't the merry hill extension green lighted for work to begin this year, I know that as you cross Castle Hill by the station Hotel the trackbed beneath seems to have been cleared as well as the track to Wednesbury, will decffinatly be an asset to dudley and the local area as to two network rail stations bearing dudley in the name (Sandwell and dudley & Dudley port) are quite a distance away from the main town...
On the subject of the extension does anyone know the route trams will take between dudley and merry hill, as far as artist impressions go I get the idea that from the current track bed trams will rise up somehow onto castle hill to go past the zoo then onto the bus station, but as for afterwards can't quite work out whether they will somehow rejoin the current abandoned track somewhere after the abandoned dudley rail tunnel. Then used parkhill viaduct and join the road at some point or whether they will just travel on existing roads...
Come to think of it while on the subject, is there a possibility that the former dudley rail tunnel would be brought back into use as a way of bypassing dudley Town in the even of an emergency/blockage of the road or to potentially run dead from merry hill to Wednesbury at the end of or beginning of service, that is of course if trams run dead... Can't say I've ever paid much attention as last time I really used the metro was to get to uni back between 2009-2012.
Thanks guys in advance for your replys.
Quote from: danny on February 26, 2019, 10:48:31 PM
If I'm not mistaken isn't the merry hill extension green lighted for work to begin this year, I know that as you cross Castle Hill by the station Hotel the trackbed beneath seems to have been cleared as well as the track to Wednesbury, will decffinatly be an asset to dudley and the local area as to two network rail stations bearing dudley in the name (Sandwell and dudley & Dudley port) are quite a distance away from the main town...
On the subject of the extension does anyone know the route trams will take between dudley and merry hill, as far as artist impressions go I get the idea that from the current track bed trams will rise up somehow onto castle hill to go past the zoo then onto the bus station, but as for afterwards can't quite work out whether they will somehow rejoin the current abandoned track somewhere after the abandoned dudley rail tunnel. Then used parkhill viaduct and join the road at some point or whether they will just travel on existing roads...
Come to think of it while on the subject, is there a possibility that the former dudley rail tunnel would be brought back into use as a way of bypassing dudley Town in the even of an emergency/blockage of the road or to potentially run dead from merry hill to Wednesbury at the end of or beginning of service, that is of course if trams run dead... Can't say I've ever paid much attention as last time I really used the metro was to get to uni back between 2009-2012.
Thanks guys in advance for your replys.
The tunnel is apparently being used for Very Light Rail testing.
The metro will leave Dudley via flood street to rejoin the original rail line.
Isn't the Very Light Rail Centre supposed to have been built by now on the Freightliner terminal site just a glint in the eye of someone in an office at Warwick University?
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It seems highly unlikely anyone is going to be maintaining the tunnel for either emergencies or test running. As for Wolverhampton I believe it has always been the official line they will alternate, although it seems pretty pointless with a stop in Pipers Row and I shouldn't be surprised if St. Georges ends up as a bolt holt for trams with battery problems.
One way to find out what is going on is to find the minutes of the West Midlands Combined Authority Transport Delivery Meetings, which take place about 6 times per year. The following is a link to the public reports pack for the January meeting which had a lot of items on the agenda about the Metro, including the extensions and new tram procurement.
https://governance.wmca.org.uk/documents/g214/Public%20reports%20pack%2004th-Feb-2019%2013.00%20Transport%20Delivery%20Committee.pdf?T=10
From the WMCA home page, click on Committee Meetings at the bottom, then on Committees, then on Transport Delivery Committee and browse meetings and agendas.
I don't think the service pattern has been finalised yet but one proposal put forward a couple of years ago was for a turn back platform to be provided at one of the intermediate stations in the West Bromwich area. Trams into Birmingham could then follow the pattern - Wolverhampton to Edgbaston, Brierley Hill to Eastside, West Bromwich to Edgbaston, Wolverhampton to Eastside, Brierley Hill to Edgbaston, West Bromwich to Eastside and so on. Trams from Wolverhampton would operate to Edgbaston, Brierley Hill, Eastside, Brierley Hill and so on, with a similar pattern for services from Brierley Hill.
The route through Dudley would see the tram leaving the heavy rail route east of Tipton Road, crossing Tipton Road on the level (which I find strange but which is now necessary as the Innovation Centre would block the route if the line continued into the old Dudley station), go round the back of the Innovation Centre to the Hippodrome, up Castle Hill, through the bus station, along King Street, down Flood Street and then alongside the bypass (where passive provision for the route was provided when the bypass was built) to rejoin the heavy rail line at Cinder Bank. It would then leave the heavy rail route at Canal Street, just north of Round Oak, and it is hoped that the connecting Canal Street to Stourbridge Junction heavy rail service announced in the last franchise agreement might actually happen (although this is looking less likely as time goes by).
Network Rail have insisted that the line is built with passive provision for a freight line even though they don't expect to reopen the line until 2040 at the earliest. That means that, if one track through the tunnel is used for the Innovation Centre (if it is ever built), the other must be retained for heavy rail use and can't be used by the Metro.
At Wolverhampton, there have been conflicting reports on the service pattern although St George's will remain open. One possibility is that St George's will only be used by some services off-peak during shopping hours, although that certainly hasn't been finalised.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 26, 2019, 10:03:29 PM
Sorry if this has been asked before but will Wolverhampton St Georges tram stop be taken out when the extension to the train station opens?
It will still be used i.e. 1 tram an hour will still use St Georges
No trams from Birmingham due to overhead line down at jewelry quarter see link
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport/2019/03/05/west-midlands-metro-passengers-face-disruption-after-overhead-cable-damage/
Despite being ran by The Green Bus these past two days, one of Diamond's new Streetlites (AJD) has been drafted in on Metro Replacement work. Currently sat in City Centre.
They seem to be running every 10 minutes during the daytime; using three vehicles.
Quote from: Solo1 on March 05, 2019, 05:06:50 PM
No trams from Birmingham due to overhead line down at jewelry quarter see link
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport/2019/03/05/west-midlands-metro-passengers-face-disruption-after-overhead-cable-damage/
Yet again same area effected with overhead line problems. The sooner all trams have batteries fitted the better. Then Jewelry Quarter to Soho Benson Road can be converted to battery section.
In the last 20 years this section has had more problems than any other section on the line
Quote from: Ginger66 on March 07, 2019, 05:52:44 AM
Yet again same area effected with overhead line problems. The sooner all trams have batteries fitted the better. Then Jewelry Quarter to Soho Benson Road can be converted to battery section.
In the last 20 years this section has had more problems than any other section on the line
Batteries don't help when the line is obstructed
Service update: trams are now running as normal between Priestfield and Grand Central. There is still as shuttle tram service between Priestfield and Wolverhampton St Georges. Please change trams at Priestfield to continue your journey. https://t.co/dMQIskwcO8
It seems as though the announcements may have been updated; at least on the tram I was on.
No longer at Winson Green Outer Circle, or Jewellery Quarter do they mention either Inner/Outer Circle services, respectively. The announcements now says a rather vague "for local bus services".
The Metro is 20 years old tomorrow. The first services ran on 30 May 1999.
https://westmidlandsmetro.com/2019/05/29/all-aboard-for-metros-20th-birthday/
Strange question
1) is the old route from Priestfield to Wolverhampton accessible. (I know the track is not there) to link up with main line.
2)could NR take back control of line and have trains from Liverpool-Wolverhampton-Birmingham-London cutting of at priestfield to go up to Wolverhampton and Snowhill to London
I don't know if the line is accessible but it went to the Low Level station at Wolverhampton which is now a wedding venue. Trains couldn't run on the tramway - too heavy and probably too high and wide. LNR runs a decent service from Liverpool to Birmingham and Euston anyway.
More land drilling ground investigation work being done at merry hill along the embankment by the canal
Tram 31 has been involved in an RTC this morning in Wolverhampton, at the Wishbone Island. It doesn't look too serious, however it'll be off the rails for the time being I presume.
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport/2019/08/19/car-crashes-into-midland-metro-tram-and-overturns-in-wolverhampton/
Quote from: StourValley98 on August 19, 2019, 10:06:44 AM
Tram 31 has been involved in an RTC this morning in Wolverhampton, at the Wishbone Island. It doesn't look too serious, however it'll be off the rails for the time being I presume.
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport/2019/08/19/car-crashes-into-midland-metro-tram-and-overturns-in-wolverhampton/
A tram derailing is pretty seriou
Quote from: StourValley98 on August 19, 2019, 10:06:44 AM
Tram 31 has been involved in an RTC this morning in Wolverhampton, at the Wishbone Island. It doesn't look too serious, however it'll be off the rails for the time being I presume.
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport/2019/08/19/car-crashes-into-midland-metro-tram-and-overturns-in-wolverhampton/
Quote from: Tony on August 19, 2019, 02:03:42 PM
A tram derailing is pretty seriou
It's not clear from the article exactly what happened (apart from a car hitting a tram obviously). It would appear to my untrained eye that the only part of that island where a tram and a car could have come into contact is where the tracks cross the road. As the junctions are clearly signal controlled, either the tram went through a red light, or the driver of the car went through a red light. And to cause that much damage, the car must have been doing some speed, as I don't think the trams shift that quickly through there.
I would find it highly unlikely that the tram driver would risk their job and the safety of their passengers by running a red light, so I can only assume that the car driver was jumping the red light at speed.
As I've said myself on many occasions, it only takes one idiot to make hundreds, maybe thousands, of other motorists and commuters lives a misery.
I hope the lady driver makes a full recovery and learns a valuable life lesson from this: you can rush all you like to get to your destination, but if you drive recklessly or speed then you might not make it there next time.
Do these trams have the equivalent of a black box on them?
Can you use NX bus tickets on the Metro? Because I went to Wolverhampton with my family a long time ago and the ticket inspector allowed our family day saver that we got of an NX bus.
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 24, 2019, 07:31:14 AM
Can you use NX bus tickets on the Metro? Because I went to Wolverhampton with my family a long time ago and the ticket inspector allowed our family day saver that we got of an NX bus.
No, you need a ticket that covers both. There was a chap that got kicked off the tram I was on yesterday, as he tried to use a Sandwell & Dudley daysaver to get to Wolverhampton, which is neither valid on the tram nor in Wolverhampton.
Tram 28 has now been named after Jasper Carrott.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 13, 2019, 12:28:46 PM
Tram 28 has now been named after Jasper Carrott.
He's from Birmingham? I didn't know that.
The tests for the Centenary Square extension has started. Does anyone know when in December the extension is ready for passengers? I want to go up there and take some pictures.
Quote from: Busboy105 on November 29, 2019, 07:36:09 AM
The tests for the Centenary Square extension has started. Does anyone know when in December the extension is ready for passengers? I want to go up there and take some pictures.
8 Dec I read
Has any work started on the dudley section yet beens as 21 new trams have been ordered. Havant herd or seen anything lately,
Also, I know its abit early but are the new trams the same design as the old ones
Quote from: Solo1 on November 29, 2019, 09:19:13 AM
8 Dec I read
Where did you read this from? Because all the articles I've read just say December. Plus you never know they might postpone it a few months like last time :D
There's notices on the tram stops in the city centre with the date on it. Revised timetable and revised fares too.
Quote from: Gareth on November 29, 2019, 04:55:40 PM
There's notices on the tram stops in the city centre with the date on it. Revised timetable and revised fares too.
Indeed, 10 minute frequency Sunday daytime is planned which is much needed.
The information is out there if you make the effort and go out and look
https://westmidlandsmetro.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/WMM-Timetable-A3-Poster-Dec-19.pdf
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which is as clear as mud unless you read
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https://westmidlandsmetro.com/2019/11/29/grand-central-metro-platform-re-opens-as-new-timetable-tests-begin/
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This presumably means tomorrow is the last day for the crossover in Stephenson Place.
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New fares are here
https://westmidlandsmetro.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/WMMNewFares.pdf
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City Hop goes up to 1.50 in Birmingham and 1.20 in Wolverhampton and there is reference to single fares 1,2 and 3 but only returns 1 and 2, rather than quoting a "from" price currently. Presumably return 3 would have been more than a day ticket. I can't see anything on the website showing which fare applies where.
How long does the metro drive on battery mode at the moment. On Monday the tram I caught at half 11 from grand central did not put the pantograph back up until the jewellery quarter
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 08, 2019, 07:03:50 PM
How long does the metro drive on battery mode at the moment. On Monday the tram I caught at half 11 from grand central did not put the pantograph back up until the jewellery quarter
How could you possibly know that?
Quote from: Dom on December 08, 2019, 09:02:39 PM
How could you possibly know that?
Because i was sat under the pantograph section when heard it get raised
The new section is now open to passengers if anyone wants to bash it...
I see some trams have reindeer names added to them. I've seen Dancer, Comet and Rudolph so far.
Quote from: Gareth on December 12, 2019, 04:31:49 PM
I see some trams have reindeer names added to them. I've seen Dancer, Comet and Rudolph so far.
Same here.
9 trams carry names of reindeer, at least until the new year, in connection with a competition run together with the Sea Life Centre.
Are TfWM's Metro & West Midlands Railways stations becoming no go areas after recent horific attacks on users?
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/teen-smashed-face-gun-tram-17570923
https://www.halesowennews.co.uk/news/18160120.appeal-following-serious-assault-rowley-regis-train-station/
I see track is already laid in the Five Ways underpass, the nearside lane on both carriageways. Perhaps they want to reopen it to traffic asap.
Quote from: Stevo on January 19, 2020, 05:19:58 PM
I see track is already laid in the Five Ways underpass, the nearside lane on both carriageways. Perhaps they want to reopen it to traffic asap.
I thought that the underpass was never going to reopen.
Quote from: Busboy105 on January 19, 2020, 05:55:42 PM
I thought that the underpass was never going to reopen.
I think it was hinted at as a possibility, not as a certainty.
I suppose it could be possible that the underpass might be restricted to buses and taxis only, rather than general traffic.
The Government has approved the Birmingham Eastside extension.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/birmingham-eastside-extension-transport-and-works-act-order?utm_source=4341b0e1-2cd3-42e5-a2a7-44edf7ffbf95&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=govuk-notifications&utm_content=immediate
Quote from: Roy on January 20, 2020, 02:11:16 PM
The Government has approved the Birmingham Eastside extension.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/birmingham-eastside-extension-transport-and-works-act-order?utm_source=4341b0e1-2cd3-42e5-a2a7-44edf7ffbf95&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=govuk-notifications&utm_content=immediate
Is that the Curzon Street to Solihull/Birmingham Airport one?
Bull Street, Albert Street, Moor Street Queensway to Digbeth and Deritend.
Only to High Street Deritend, after serving Curzon Street HS2 station.
Quote from: mikestone on January 20, 2020, 07:12:41 PM
Only to High Street Deritend, after serving Curzon Street HS2 station.
Oh ok. So if it's approved, works could start next year or the year after? I'm assuming they want it done by 2026 when the new Curzon Street Station opens?
I think you mean if. It is beginning to sound as though the report said go ahead, and Boris and/or the DfT are looking for a reason to cancel, although that said I don't see whats in it politically as he can presumably afford to upset the Nimby's in the home counties who will vote for a pig as long as it has a blue rosette, but not the newly won seats in the north.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/transport-secretary-grant-shapps-responds-18131478
Quote from: Solo1 on April 22, 2020, 08:35:13 PM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/transport-secretary-grant-shapps-responds-18131478
I saw this earlier too, they can 'piss off'. I've said what I needed to say here:
https://www.facebook.com/westmidlandsbususers/posts/3047131978681537
If passenger numbers are that low, they should reduce the service levels, just like private companies running commercially operated bus services have had to do. Bus users have had to adapt to reduced service levels, tram passengers should surely be able to as well.
The WMCA chose to operate their Metro tram service 'in-house' and this is one of the 'risks' they should have been aware of and been able to plan for.
Hadn't realised they're still running every 12 mins, that's ludicrous! Even Metrolink in Manchester ain't running that frequent (and they're likewise panicking)
As the 74/79 near enough mirrors that route, why can't passengers just use them instead!
Quote from: Stu on April 22, 2020, 08:57:37 PM
I saw this earlier too, they can 'piss off'. I've said what I needed to say here:
https://www.facebook.com/westmidlandsbususers/posts/3047131978681537
If passenger numbers are that low, they should reduce the service levels, just like private companies running commercially operated bus services have had to do. Bus users have had to adapt to reduced service levels, tram passengers should surely be able to as well.
The WMCA chose to operate their Metro tram service 'in-house' and this is one of the 'risks' they should have been aware of and been able to plan for.
Bus Services operated commercially by operators such as First Worcester are services run for profit by private companies if the operator cannot provide a commercial service then the local authority is at liberty to step and fill the gap by a tender. For what I understand the Midland Metro is now run by TfWM; a public body; therefore the public sector in this case the DfT has a moral duty to finance any losses being incurred by a public body maintaing a vital service for key workers at a frequent intervals priority should be given in this difficult period to maintaing vital public sector operations such as the Midland Metro.
Wonder how much they was taking when nxbus ran it compaired to just before the corna virus started
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on April 22, 2020, 10:24:22 PM
Bus Services operated commercially by operators such as First Worcester are services run for profit by private companies if the operator cannot provide a commercial service then the local authority is at liberty to step and fill the gap by a tender. For what I understand the Midland Metro is now run by TfWM; a public body; therefore the public sector in this case the DfT has a moral duty to finance any losses being incurred by a public body maintaing a vital service for key workers at a frequent intervals priority should be given in this difficult period to maintaing vital public sector operations such as the Midland Metro.
That is all very well and good, but I think you're missing the point. Other 'key workers' (including myself though no, I don't work for the NHS) are having to rely on bus services that have been significantly reduced in line with reduced patronage.
If the Metro was providing such a 'vital service' why isn't it being better used?
Personally from what I've heard elsewhere, because there are no longer any 'conductors' working on board the trams, some people now have this 'perception' that they can just travel for free on the Metro. So there is potentially a lot of revenue being lost as a result of this too.
So again it begs the question, why continue to maintain the present levels of service, and why not reduce to half-hourly in order to reduce operational costs?
As has been pointed out, much of the route is also covered by bus services, so really I don't see it being as too much of an inconvenience if the frequency was reduced to half-hourly, based on how passengers have adjusted to reduced bus service levels.
I don't want to see the Metro service cancelled, though as I stated I don't even use it myself. But I do question why the local authority is not taking action itself in order to minimise its losses, and is instead expecting the taxpayer (who ultimately pays for this, lets face it) to prop it up.
Quote from: Stu on April 23, 2020, 06:48:24 PM
Personally from what I've heard elsewhere, because there are no longer any 'conductors' working on board the trams, some people now have this 'perception' that they can just travel for free on the Metro. So there is potentially a lot of revenue being lost as a result of this too.
Would it not be an idea to install ticket machines like they have at railway stations? Then nobody has an excuse not to have a ticket then.
As don't think there are any, so not sure how else people are expected to pay for their tickets other than from the conductor on the Metro.
Quote from: Stu on April 23, 2020, 06:48:24 PM
That is all very well and good, but I think you're missing the point. Other 'key workers' (including myself though no, I don't work for the NHS) are having to rely on bus services that have been significantly reduced in line with reduced patronage.
If the Metro was providing such a 'vital service' why isn't it being better used?
Personally from what I've heard elsewhere, because there are no longer any 'conductors' working on board the trams, some people now have this 'perception' that they can just travel for free on the Metro. So there is potentially a lot of revenue being lost as a result of this too.
So again it begs the question, why continue to maintain the present levels of service, and why not reduce to hellhole in order to reduce operational costs?
As has been pointed out, much of the route is also covered by bus services, so really I don't see it being as too much of an inconvenience if the frequency was reduced to hellhole, based on how passengers have adjusted to reduced bus service levels.
I don't want to see the Metro service cancelled, though as I stated I don't even use it myself. But I do question why the local authority is not taking action itself in order to minimize its losses, and is instead expecting the taxpayer (who ultimately pays for this, lets face it) to prop it up.
I doubt I am missing the point as I rarely miss the bus especially First. The Midland Metro is a public service quite rightly noted by yourself & is publically funded as I pointed out in my post yesterday. It is not a commercial bus operation run by the private sector it is now a publicly run operation and as such should be supported accordingly by the DfT who are keen to support the train operating companies on the permanent way. The Midland Metro is a vital service linking the two cities it serves and is run by the public sector it is irrelevant that the line also has a regular bus service nearby this is of no concern for its regular users who still need to use the service and who are used to a high frequency publically funded service and a matter only for those users of public transport such as myself who regularly use bus services in lieu of other means of public transport. The Midland Metro is not a commercial bus service and as such your comments are not relevant to its operation, frequency and its source of public funding and ticketing arrangements are a matter for Transport for West Midlands who quite rightly raise concerns about the public funding & continued operation of the service in this difficult time. The falling patronage at this time is am sure is the result of users adopting the sensible advice of the government of essential travel only underling why the service should be continued to be fully publically funded.
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on April 23, 2020, 08:10:44 PM
I doubt I am missing the point as I rarely miss the bus especially First. The Midland Metro is a public service quite rightly noted by yourself & is publically funded as I pointed out in my post yesterday. It is not a commercial bus operation run by the private sector it is now a publicly run operation and as such should be supported accordingly by the DfT who are keen to support the train operating companies on the permanent way. The Midland Metro is a vital service linking the two cities it serves and is run by the public sector it is irrelevant that the line also has a regular bus service nearby this is of no concern for its regular users who still need to use the service and who are used to a high frequency publically funded service and a matter only for those users of public transport such as myself who regularly use bus services in lieu of other means of public transport. The Midland Metro is not a commercial bus service and as such your comments are not relevant to its operation, frequency and its source of public funding and ticketing arrangements are a matter for Transport for West Midlands who quite rightly raise concerns about the public funding & continued operation of the service in this difficult time. The falling patronage at this time is am sure is the result of users adopting the sensible advice of the government of essential travel only underling why the service should be continued to be fully publically funded.
But as a publicly funded operation, should the West Midlands Metro not be striving to deliver 'best value' for the taxpayers that help to fund it, by doing what it needs to do to reduce operating costs by reducing service levels?
If the service was reduced to half-hourly, that would surely half the number of trams that would be needed in operation, and thus reduce staffing costs, and the service would still be operational for passengers to use, albeit at a reduced frequency?
And even at these reduced service levels, with the passenger usage being as low as claimed, those 'key workers' who need to use this service would still be able to practise recommended social distancing guidelines, just as other passengers have to do on reduced bus services.
Quote from: 2206 on April 23, 2020, 08:00:24 PM
Would it not be an idea to install ticket machines like they have at railway stations? Then nobody has an excuse not to have a ticket then.
As don't think there are any, so not sure how else people are expected to pay for their tickets other than from the conductor on the Metro.
They used to have ticket machines on platforms when they first started
Quote from: Stu on April 23, 2020, 08:34:38 PM
But as a publicly funded operation, should the West Midlands Metro not be striving to deliver 'best value' for the taxpayers that help to fund it, by doing what it needs to do to reduce operating costs by reducing service levels?
If the service was reduced to half-hourly, that would surely half the number of trams that would be needed in operation, and thus reduce staffing costs, and the service would still be operational for passengers to use, albeit at a reduced frequency?
And even at these reduced service levels, with the passenger usage being as low as claimed, those 'key workers' who need to use this service would still be able to practise recommended social distancing guidelines, just as other passengers have to do on reduced bus services.
If the West Midlands Metro was a commercial operation run by a private company with a view to making profit within the auspicious of The Transport Act 1986 & its subsequent amendments I would agree fully with your points, views and comments as it is currently owned & operated by a wholly owned subsidiary of the West Midlands Combined Authority; a member of the public sector ; I agree only with your comment that there is of course a need to provide a "best value " in its operation to those who actually fund it however there is a social need and necessity which a publically funded service must deliver to those who regularly use it and to this end a public funded service ethically should be continued to be fully funded to its fullest extent possible especially in times of crisis. It is of note that neither of us use the service, are both I presume UK tax payers; unless you have your own paradise tax free island as one former local so called transport operator owner has; yet both as committed bus users we hold diametrically opposed views on what constitutes a valued public service, very interesting indeed I fully respect your own held views & comments and the valuable work you do for the community in your own website whilst not concuring with the majority of them with regard to a pubically funded operation such as West Midlands Metro.
The DfT are not baling out TfL and they have dramatically reduced Underground frequencies. e.g. the Victoria Line normally has a service interval of every 100 - 105 seconds (so about 1 train every 1.5 minutes) during Monday to Friday peak hours, but from 23/03/2020 it was reduced to run every 8 minutes because of reduced usage. However by Friday 17/04/2020 it had to be increased to every 6 minutes due to people not being able to social distance (so the frequency is now 25% of the normal service).
The WM Metro is every normally every 7 - 8 minutes (if I am correct) and has been halved to every 15 minutes, but if the usage is so low then the West Midlands Combined Authority should reduce the frequency further (to same 25% that TfL has done) to ensure that it does not waste money providing a service that nobody is using.
Quote from: Ian Hardy on April 23, 2020, 10:45:58 PM
The DfT are not baling out TfL and they have dramatically reduced Underground frequencies. e.g. the Victoria Line normally has a service interval of every 100 - 105 seconds (so about 1 train every 1.5 minutes) during Monday to Friday peak hours, but from 23/03/2020 it was reduced to run every 8 minutes because of reduced usage. However by Friday 17/04/2020 it had to be increased to every 6 minutes due to people not being able to social distance (so the frequency is now 25% of the normal service).
The WM Metro is every normally every 7 - 8 minutes (if I am correct) and has been halved to every 15 minutes, but if the usage is so low then the West Midlands Combined Authority should reduce the frequency further (to same 25% that TfL has done) to ensure that it does not waste money providing a service that nobody is using.
Yeah, but London has a labour mayor whereas unfortunately the Midlands has a Tory one.
Quote from: the trainbasher on April 24, 2020, 02:05:47 AM
Yeah, but London has a labour mayor whereas unfortunately the Midlands has a Tory one.
Having a Labour Mayor is not the best thing since sliced bread; TfL is broke because of the 5 years of the Fares Freeze (which will never be recovered, that money is lost). The Piccadilly Line is due to get new Siemens trains (built in Goole), but due to the TfL financial problems the re-signalling of the line has been cancelled so the new trains will not be used to their full potential as frequencies and lines speed are now fixed.
I won't mention the Mayor's oversight of the "on time and within budget" Crossrail project.
Bus usage in London has rapidly declined (even before COVID-19); with traffic speeds reducing so much that it is quicker to walk in central London. Many bus routes have been chopped around forcing people to change even when the "consultation" results in over 60% not wanting the change to occur and then the press release outlining the changes i.e. reduction of frequency and shortening of the route say that is a really positive thing.
Also we have Low Emission Zones which if your vehicle does not conform, you can pay to drive your dirty vehicle in the zone and it does not apply to cars & taxis. If you were serious about reducing emissions you would have all non-compliant vehicles banned from those areas and you would not be able to pay to ignore the restrictions.
However I think this is not related to the General Metro Thread so I will stop now.
Quote from: Stu on April 22, 2020, 08:57:37 PM
I saw this earlier too, they can 'piss off'. I've said what I needed to say here:
https://www.facebook.com/westmidlandsbususers/posts/3047131978681537
If passenger numbers are that low, they should reduce the service levels, just like private companies running commercially operated bus services have had to do. Bus users have had to adapt to reduced service levels, tram passengers should surely be able to as well.
The WMCA chose to operate their Metro tram service 'in-house' and this is one of the 'risks' they should have been aware of and been able to plan for.
As expected the DfT have confirmed today a package of measures to the publicly funded Transport for West Midlands to maintain the key services of The West Midlands Metro in order to keep it running.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/vital-routes-for-supplies-and-people-kept-open-through-coronavirus-support-package
http://magazine.mafex.es/en/caf-wins-tender-to-supply-additional-trams-for-birmingham/
Quote from: Stu on April 22, 2020, 08:57:37 PM
I saw this earlier too, they can 'piss off'. I've said what I needed to say here:
https://www.facebook.com/westmidlandsbususers/posts/3047131978681537
If passenger numbers are that low, they should reduce the service levels, just like private companies running commercially operated bus services have had to do. Bus users have had to adapt to reduced service levels, tram passengers should surely be able to as well.
The WMCA chose to operate their Metro tram service 'in-house' and this is one of the 'risks' they should have been aware of and been able to plan for.
The Government has confirmed it has given West Midlands Metro a £2.1m support package which will keep the tram system running to help frontline staff get to work.
It comes as part of a wider £30m funding package for metro services across England announced by the Department for Transport.
Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said: "The best way to stop the spread of the virus and protect the NHS is to stay at home – but protecting key transport services is vital to enable essential travel.
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on May 02, 2020, 07:00:50 PM
The Government has confirmed it has given West Midlands Metro a £2.1m support package which will keep the tram system running to help frontline staff get to work.
It comes as part of a wider £30m funding package for metro services across England announced by the Department for Transport.
Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said: "The best way to stop the spread of the virus and protect the NHS is to stay at home – but protecting key transport services is vital to enable essential travel.
Transport Secretary Grant Shapps has addressed this matter on to Andrew Marr on BBC ONE This Morning &the mind blowing interview is avaliable on the BBCi Player & on the BBC Parliament channel later this of course will be a more acceptable alternative to Aston Villa losing on Sky Sports & BBC Radio WM This Afternoon which has thankfully been postponed.
There's posters up now informing about a closure between Wednesbury Parkway and Wolverhampton from 29 May - 6 June.
Wolverhampton council will be demolishing the Arthur Street bridge, which necessitates the closure.
Tickets will be accepted on the 79 and on rail services, and there will also be a new 79A route temporarily introduced serving all the tram stops along the affected part of the route.
I've attached a photo of the poster I found at Wednesbury Great Western Street.
Quote from: DJ on May 15, 2021, 09:59:22 PM
There's posters up now informing about a closure between Wednesbury Parkway and Wolverhampton from 29 May - 6 June.
Wolverhampton council will be demolishing the Arthur Street bridge, which necessitates the closure.
Tickets will be accepted on the 79 and on rail services, and there will also be a new 79A route temporarily introduced serving all the tram stops along the affected part of the route.
I've attached a photo of the poster I found at Wednesbury Great Western Street.
I remember the hassle when they closed that road to build the bridge (when the Metro was being built) in the first place. Why does it need to come down now?
It looks like the 79A has been added to stops on Google Maps, and the timetable is available from Traveline, which I've attached. Interestingly, it doesn't serve Wednesbury Parkway according to it, so I'm not sure what route it will take between Great Western St and Bradley Lane. My presumption would've been following the 11A to Gospel Oak, and the 23 from there, but with it missing out Parkway, I'm not so sure.
Quote from: DJ on May 15, 2021, 11:27:52 PM
It looks like the 79A has been added to stops on Google Maps, and the timetable is available from Traveline, which I've attached. Interestingly, it doesn't serve Wednesbury Parkway according to it, so I'm not sure what route it will take between Great Western St and Bradley Lane. My presumption would've been following the 11A to Gospel Oak, and the 23 from there, but with it missing out Parkway, I'm not so sure.
Is WN going to run the 79A or will WB assist also?
Quote from: DJ on May 15, 2021, 11:27:52 PM
It looks like the 79A has been added to stops on Google Maps, and the timetable is available from Traveline, which I've attached. Interestingly, it doesn't serve Wednesbury Parkway according to it, so I'm not sure what route it will take between Great Western St and Bradley Lane. My presumption would've been following the 11A to Gospel Oak, and the 23 from there, but with it missing out Parkway, I'm not so sure.
Would've thought the Black Country Route in some way?
But I agree, it's daft missing out Parkway, unless it's easier to connect at Great Western Street?
Quote from: Westy on May 16, 2021, 05:02:37 PM
Would've thought the Black Country Route in some way?
But I agree, it's daft missing out Parkway, unless it's easier to connect at Great Western Street?
I guess that could work, if you then turn left onto Great Bridge Road, and then right onto Bradley Lane. I'd have thought Parkway would be the better option, as there's plenty of space there for buses, and TfWM have even put up a new stop flag recently, although with no text on it.
Quote from: DJ on May 16, 2021, 05:29:18 PM
I guess that could work, if you then turn left onto Great Bridge Road, and then right onto Bradley Lane. I'd have thought Parkway would be the better option, as there's plenty of space there for buses, and TfWM have even put up a new stop flag recently, although with no text on it.
It's been some time since I've been that way, but can you do that manuvour in both directions, as it's a dual carriageway & I don't recall too many gaps in the middle?
Quote from: Westy on May 16, 2021, 08:01:21 PM
It's been some time since I've been that way, but can you do that manuvour in both directions, as it's a dual carriageway & I don't recall too many gaps in the middle?
Yeah, there's Moxley Junction roundabout there, which is also on the regular 79 route.
Tram 40 was delivered to Wednesbury yesterday.
The whole line's been suspended from today, due to a vehicle fault.
QuoteWe have been informed by the vehicle manufacturer that they have identified a fault which is affecting some of our trams. As a precautionary measure, we have taken the decision to remove all 21 trams from service until all trams have been inspected.
We are working alongside the manufacturer, CAF, to restore services as quickly as possible.
There's ticket acceptance on the 74/79 and on WMR/Avanti trains.
https://westmidlandsmetro.com/using-the-metro/service-status/
https://twitter.com/WMmetro/status/1408642002028277764?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Corporation street being dug up and looks like tracks are being replaced. Is it normal for tracks to only last a few years?
Quote from: Gareth on July 25, 2021, 05:36:28 PM
Corporation street being dug up and looks like tracks are being replaced. Is it normal for tracks to only last a few years?
Are all the tracks in Corporation St being replaced?
I was under the impression that they would have to replace the Bull St junction, so they can do the crossovers between the various routes!
Quote from: Westy on July 25, 2021, 07:55:46 PM
Are all the tracks in Corporation St being replaced?
I was under the impression that they would have to replace the Bull St junction, so they can do the crossovers between the various routes!
The whole of corporation street is being dug up!
They are doing the bull st junction & while doing that will replace the rails in corporation st this will save having to close it at a later date
Quote from: Solo1 on July 26, 2021, 08:45:27 AM
They are doing the bull st junction & while doing that will replace the rails in corporation st this will save having to close it at a later date
I understand that new junction needs to be built at Bull Street, but why do Corporation Street rails need to be replaced after such a short time after they were originally laid?
Quote from: Gareth on July 26, 2021, 08:50:09 AM
I understand that new junction needs to be built at Bull Street, but why do Corporation Street rails need to be replaced after such a short time after they were originally laid?
Again, its just turned 9 years ago until they closed it to traffic... if buses were still along there we wouldn't have this problem...
Remarkable progress in Corporation Street - go to www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/gallery/week-4-pictures-corporation-street-21384450
Quote from: Gareth on July 26, 2021, 08:50:09 AM
I understand that new junction needs to be built at Bull Street, but why do Corporation Street rails need to be replaced after such a short time after they were originally laid?
Quote from: Stevo on August 25, 2021, 07:56:51 PM
Remarkable progress in Corporation Street - go to www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/gallery/week-4-pictures-corporation-street-21384450
I was in the city centre for a short time on Monday afternoon, and had an opportunity for a walk around.
From what I could see, the existing rails are going to be reused (you can see them stacked up alongside the works), it looks like it is all the track-bed that has been dug up and is being replaced.
So if there was nothing wrong with the rails themselves, one has to wonder what this is all about really, unless there are questions to be asked about the quality of the concrete track-bed that was originally installed.
Quote from: Stu on August 25, 2021, 08:17:40 PM
I was in the city centre for a short time on Monday afternoon, and had an opportunity for a walk around.
From what I could see, the existing rails are going to be reused (you can see them stacked up alongside the works), it looks like it is all the track-bed that has been dug up and is being replaced.
So if there was nothing wrong with the rails themselves, one has to wonder what this is all about really, unless there are questions to be asked about the quality of the concrete track-bed that was originally installed.
I googled "why are they digging up the tracks on corporation street" and was presented this: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/shopping/5m-corporation-street-work-dig-21074932
Seems to be something to do with issues of not properly alligned, and doing it when they're closing it to put the junction in so they don't have to close it later.
I'm sure one of us here is more knowledgeable than me and can delve into the detail better.
Quote from: ellspurs on August 25, 2021, 08:24:25 PM
I googled "why are they digging up the tracks on corporation street" and was presented this: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/shopping/5m-corporation-street-work-dig-21074932
Seems to be something to do with issues of not properly alligned, and doing it when they're closing it to put the junction in so they don't have to close it later.
I'm sure one of us here is more knowledgeable than me and can delve into the detail better.
When it was first put in I was told the corner by Stephenson Street ramp had the canver the wrong way and there were various other problems with the quality of the work.
It's a bit worrying that the contractor that built the original track is now part of the HS2 project. I don't fancy going at 320 kph over track that has the wrong camber and is misaligned!
It is quite clearly the trackbed that is being replaced, the new preformed sections are stacked up in Stephenson Place.and where they had been positioned and there were no rails there appeared to.be some kind of plastic insert
Quote from: Stu on August 25, 2021, 08:17:40 PM
I was in the city centre for a short time on Monday afternoon, and had an opportunity for a walk around.
From what I could see, the existing rails are going to be reused (you can see them stacked up alongside the works), it looks like it is all the track-bed that has been dug up and is being replaced.
So if there was nothing wrong with the rails themselves, one has to wonder what this is all about really, unless there are questions to be asked about the quality of the concrete track-bed that was originally installed.
They are new rails. They were delivered and stored along the length of corporation Street before works began.
Coventry Light Vehicle Rail - does anyone know are these powered as I thought I read somewhere it was a biofuel product.
If these trams are built in the UK could it be the solution for midland metro and their overhead line issues.
Quote from: Ginger66 on August 26, 2021, 05:47:12 PM
Coventry Light Vehicle Rail - does anyone know are these powered as I thought I read somewhere it was a biofuel product.
If these trams are built in the UK could it be the solution for midland metro and their overhead line issues.
No. Don't want to go to a carbon fuel, and they are nowhere near large enough for the Midland Metro
Quote from: Gareth on August 26, 2021, 12:47:09 PM
They are new rails. They were delivered and stored along the length of corporation Street before works began.
OK fair enough, but when I walked up and down Corporation Street on Monday afternoon, the rails I saw stacked up on the side looked a bit dirty and some had light rust patches on them, so they didn't look 'new' to me, unless they are 'reclaimed' from elsewhere.
So that's the rails and trackbed weren't fit for purpose then?
I visited Wolverhampton on Saturday. The rails are now laid in front of the station, curving round and ending in a single line terminus. Trouble is, nobody seems to have told them the station has been rebuilt so tram passengers will ride gently past the new entrance and stop just past where the old entrance was.
It looks to me as though the platforms will be on the double line, with an empty shunt.
I would have thought the railway inspectorate will take a dim view of that?
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They are also saving a bit of time after the line opens by repairing the road service on the corner of Pipers Row and Lichfield St now.
I'd be surprised if the platforms were on a curve.
It certainly looks like there is a wooden former for laying concrete on the inside of the curve and there are two pairs of doors on what looks to me the outer platform - the first pair lead into the empty retail unit, but I can't for me see where the other set lead.
Quote from: Stevo on September 09, 2021, 03:37:01 PM
I'd be surprised if the platforms were on a curve.
Why would it be a problem? There are rail stations which have curved platforms.
Quote from: Stu on September 09, 2021, 05:44:46 PM
Why would it be a problem? There are rail stations which have curved platforms.
I don't believe any new railway stations are allowed to have curved platforms now. One of the main reasons is accessibility, it created a gap between train an platform wheelchair wheels can go down. No platforms on the current tram systems anywhere in the UK are curved.
Quote from: Tony on September 09, 2021, 06:11:11 PM
I don't believe any new railway stations are allowed to have curved platforms now. One of the main reasons is accessibility, it created a gap between train an platform wheelchair wheels can go down. No platforms on the current tram systems anywhere in the UK are curved.
OK fair enough, I guess it also depends on the angle of curve. I was racking my brain trying to remember when I was last at a rail station with a curved platform, then it just hit me that it was at Sandwell & Dudley station. It has quite a long platform but the curve is relatively gentle.
Obviously any kind of sharp curved platform would be out of the question!
Quote from: Stu on September 09, 2021, 06:53:22 PM
OK fair enough, I guess it also depends on the angle of curve. I was racking my brain trying to remember when I was last at a rail station with a curved platform, then it just hit me that it was at Sandwell & Dudley station. It has quite a long platform but the curve is relatively gentle.
Obviously any kind of sharp curved platform would be out of the question!
Platform 12 at New Street is one of the most curved platforms
The only plans I can find is one from 2013 which shows the platforms just about off the curve and a "proposed turnback" which would accomodate a Pendolino and one on the metro alliance website which shows a couple of blobs which I assume represent platforms roughly where the gap is in the existing track. Perhaps the presence of conductors may have a bearing.
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I thought I had read somewhere there were to be Birmingham-St. Georges and Merry Hill-Station or vv services but the metro alliance website suggests all Birmingham with "shoppers journeys" turning at St. Georges, so passengers will need to decide whether to head for St. Georges or Pipers Row.
Talking to the staff working on the metro extension 4 years to complete the east side
The graphics on the barriers put up when work started on the new station show the line continuing to Wednesfield beyond the station, but it's not quite clear if the current line would just continue from the station stop to Wednesfield.
Quote from: Stevo on September 10, 2021, 10:10:35 AM
The graphics on the barriers put up when work started on the new station show the line continuing to Wednesfield beyond the station, but it's not quite clear if the current line would just continue from the station stop to Wednesfield.
Wow, there's an idea that I thought was dead ages ago, but hope it gets revived all the way to Walsall
Another collision this morning at the Bilston Street island.
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-hubs/wolverhampton/2021/09/16/traffic-delayed-after-tram-hits-car-at-busy-wolverhampton-junction/
Quote from: DJ on September 16, 2021, 07:53:08 PM
Another collision this morning at the Bilston Street island.
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-hubs/wolverhampton/2021/09/16/traffic-delayed-after-tram-hits-car-at-busy-wolverhampton-junction/
Teenager arrested suspected of drink-driving.
Can't help much when the road users wilfully ignore the rules of the road. That roundabout is fully signalled, right? I've sat at lights and had people speed past me 5-10 seconds after the light has gone red. Driving down Hagley Road at 1am is great for spotting this in action. More enforcement needs to be done, but everyone moans about enforcement happening -_-.
It's annoying the way the headline is written: 'Tram hits car'. It sounds as if it's the tram driver's fault.
Quote from: Stevo on September 17, 2021, 09:22:00 AM
It's annoying the way the headline is written: 'Tram hits car'. It sounds as if it's the tram driver's fault.
It says 'car and tram crash' on my end. I presume they updated the headline?
was in Brumyesterday looking around and noticed the maccies on dale end is still open I thought the shops on dale end would have been closed down in the building that is going be knocked down to make way for the trams to go through.
Quote from: Ginger66 on October 22, 2021, 08:25:25 AM
was in Brumyesterday looking around and noticed the maccies on dale end is still open I thought the shops on dale end would have been closed down in the building that is going be knocked down to make way for the trams to go through.
they haven't even made a start on bull st only a bit at the top
When is corporation street set to re open after tram works?
Quote from: Ginger66 on October 22, 2021, 08:25:25 AM
was in Brumyesterday looking around and noticed the maccies on dale end is still open I thought the shops on dale end would have been closed down in the building that is going be knocked down to make way for the trams to go through.
The building is scheduled to be removed at some point - I can't remember by when though - but it may not be for another couple of years. To be fair, the existing businesses have to be given some period of notice, they can't be expected to just close down and/or relocate in the space of a few weeks or couple of months.
Quote from: Solo1 on October 22, 2021, 11:45:59 AM
they haven't even made a start on bull st only a bit at the top
Last time I went past there a few weeks ago, most of Lower Bull Street looked 'dug up', obviously the priority was to get the delta junction in place first, so that services could resume along Corporation St.
Quote from: Jack D on October 22, 2021, 06:49:14 PM
When is corporation street set to re open after tram works?
Last I heard was that trams were expected to resume service to the Library by the end of this month, and operating to Hagley Road by December.
Quote from: Stu on October 22, 2021, 07:21:10 PM
The building is scheduled to be removed at some point - I can't remember by when though - but it may not be for another couple of years. To be fair, the existing businesses have to be given some period of notice, they can't be expected to just close down and/or relocate in the space of a few weeks or couple of months.
Last time I went past there a few weeks ago, most of Lower Bull Street looked 'dug up', obviously the priority was to get the delta junction in place first, so that services could resume along Corporation St.
Last I heard was that trams were expected to resume service to the Library by the end of this month, and operating to Hagley Road by December.
I walked down Corporation Street today and they were doing the final touches, including painting the road markings, so nearly ready
Quote from: Tony on October 22, 2021, 07:35:35 PM
I walked down Corporation Street today and they were doing the final touches, including painting the road markings, so nearly ready
I walked down Broad Street last Saturday, that also looks pretty much finished, certainly ready for test tram runs at least.
https://wmbu.org.uk/2021/10/opinion-new-look-broad-street-doesnt-look-too-bus-friendly/
I'm just not convinced that buses and trams, as well as other traffic, are going to fit together that well along that stretch of route.
Seemed to be clearing up this evening, can we see a potential team being back by the weekend??
Quote from: Stu on October 22, 2021, 08:14:38 PM
I walked down Broad Street last Saturday, that also looks pretty much finished, certainly ready for test tram runs at least.
https://wmbu.org.uk/2021/10/opinion-new-look-broad-street-doesnt-look-too-bus-friendly/
I'm just not convinced that buses and trams, as well as other traffic, are going to fit together that well along that stretch of route.
Broad St might be a bus/tram gate this will be like pipers row in Wolverhampton.
Tram 34 was on test from Bull Street to New Street this morning.
Does anyone know why Corporation Street is being dug up again at various places? The tarmac is being replaced by cobbles at various points. Purely cosmetic, or is there a useful reason?
There also looks to be some repair work being carried out where the rails join the tarmac.
Quote from: Gareth on January 18, 2022, 05:49:56 PM
Does anyone know why Corporation Street is being dug up again at various places? The tarmac is being replaced by cobbles at various points. Purely cosmetic, or is there a useful reason?
There also looks to be some repair work being carried out where the rails join the tarmac.
I think I read a comment elsewhere - perhaps the Birmingham Mail website - where someone had noticed part of the new delta junction was already being dug up and replaced, though I'm not sure if thats related to the works already ongoing on Lower Bull Street.
I don't know about the 'cobbles' though, it may be cosmetic or there may be some other reason to do with cyclists.
Quote from: Stu on January 18, 2022, 05:59:38 PM
I think I read a comment elsewhere - perhaps the Birmingham Mail website - where someone had noticed part of the new delta junction was already being dug up and replaced, though I'm not sure if thats related to the works already ongoing on Lower Bull Street.
I don't know about the 'cobbles' though, it may be cosmetic or there may be some other reason to do with cyclists.
Is the delta junction the bull street / corporation street junction? No tracks are being dug up. Just work to the tarmac in various places.
Surely there is going to be a two month period where trams are not running when the Delta junction linking the line between Wednesbury and Dudley to the current line.
Then commuters will be moaning why wasn't this delta junction done during the period when the trams were taken out of service for major repairs.
There shouldn't be - surely the new junctions will be on sleeper track?
walked past the Edgbaston stop at five ways and the stop still as work to do and it looks the tie into the footpath needs to be started.
Has there been any information about when the Edgbaston and Wolverhampton train station extensions are likely to open?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 03, 2022, 03:06:58 PM
Has there been any information about when the Edgbaston and Wolverhampton train station extensions are likely to open?
Considering they are still only running to Bull Street I'd say it was still some time away!
Quote from: Gareth on February 03, 2022, 05:23:27 PM
Considering they are still only running to Bull Street I'd say it was still some time away!
The line through to Library should've reopened last weekend, but it got pushed back another week. Fingers crossed it happens this weekend! I did notice that the works along the line down to Grand Central have all disappeared now, which is a good sign.
I hope so! It really angers me that the stops in Corporation Street and at Grand Central show full timetables with absolutely nothing to indicate there's no tram service.
Quote from: Stevo on February 05, 2022, 09:02:31 AM
I hope so! It really angers me that the stops in Corporation Street and at Grand Central show full timetables with absolutely nothing to indicate there's no tram service.
There were posters up at the stops, along with the LED screens not showing any departures, whenever I've walked past those stops.
Absolutely nothing now!
Has anyone got a link to the plans for Wolverhampton station - I found the T&W order itself, which refers to the line becomming single before the station stop, but from recent photos this does not seem to be the case - indeed there appears to have been little progress since I was last there in September - the section outside the station isn't even connected to the section in Railway Drive.
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-hubs/wolverhampton/2022/01/26/wolverhamptons-metro-extension-in-final-stages-of-construction-with-opening-date-to-be-announced-soon/
would appear to be rubbish - note also the reference to overhead wires.
Quote from: Stevo on February 07, 2022, 07:10:00 PM
Absolutely nothing now!
This afternoon Corporation Street and Grand Central had scrolling displays saying 12 minute service between St George's and Bull Street
Whilst enjoying a pint in Wetherspoons last night the following were noted 17/20/21/22/28/29/31/36/45
Quote from: broma1k on February 16, 2022, 10:17:59 AM
Whilst enjoying a pint in Wetherspoons last night the following were noted 17/20/21/22/28/29/31/36/45
39 and 40 were out too. Possibly 42 too.
I've noticed the new ones all have much nicer interiors with new moquette. However each time I see one, there seems to be issues with destination equipment. Either not working or showing something different on front/rear/sides.
45 today had nothing on the front, Birmingham on the sides and Library on the rear. 40 was showing Wolverhampton on both ends but Not In Service on the sides.
Quote from: Gareth on February 16, 2022, 03:37:53 PM
39 and 40 were out too. Possibly 42 too.
I've noticed the new ones all have much nicer interiors with new moquette. However each time I see one, there seems to be issues with destination equipment. Either not working or showing something different on front/rear/sides.
45 today had nothing on the front, Birmingham on the sides and Library on the rear. 40 was showing Wolverhampton on both ends but Not In Service on the sides.
I've noticed that too, along with the screens inside not showing anything on some of them. However, the audio announcements still worked, and are a loud louder than the old ones. I also noticed you can press the buttons on the door to have them open at the next stop, rather than having to wait, although it seems like most drivers open all the doors anyway.
The interiors are a lot nicer, hopefully we'll see a refurbishment of the older trams at some point to bring them up to the same standard.
Quote from: DJ on February 16, 2022, 05:10:14 PM
I've noticed that too, along with the screens inside not showing anything on some of them. However, the audio announcements still worked, and are a loud louder than the old ones. I also noticed you can press the buttons on the door to have them open at the next stop, rather than having to wait, although it seems like most drivers open all the doors anyway.
The interiors are a lot nicer, hopefully we'll see a refurbishment of the older trams at some point to bring them up to the same standard.
it might have to do with covid the drivers opening the doors as the doors are classed as a touchpoint and it could be for example tram leaves depot 6:20 but they might not get a wipe over until 09:30 or even later and it could be like that through the day till tram finishes in service.
Seems the Wolverhampton extension to the railway station may at last be getting towards completion
https://metroalliance.co.uk/final-stages-of-the-wolverhampton-city-centre-metro-extension-to-begin-in-march-2022/?fbclid=IwAR1SVNz-Lh8omEym6F4WgLUNDYl31k6l4J_0LKRiB4wewn24zfbN4BxZ4zA
According to Midland Metro on twitter today the Edgbaston extension will open in the summer 2022.
According to Andy Street tweet/facebook post trams should be under test conditions during May with service from June, surely then buses should be running down at the same time so engineers can see if a bus can pass a tram by the ICC or free radio.
Tram 42 on test colmore row crossing not in service this afternoon
40/41/42/45 seen Monday evening & 42/43/44 seen Wed evening all on test,44 complete with covers still on the seats & CAF sticker in the window.
Quote from: broma1k on April 15, 2022, 08:55:29 PM40/41/42/45 seen Monday evening & 42/43/44 seen Wed evening all on test,44 complete with covers still on the seats & CAF sticker in the window.
One was at Centenary Square today.
Quote from: 2206 on April 15, 2022, 10:28:24 PMOne was at Centenary Square today.
Might of been 42 which was in corporation st about 6pm
Still no update on when trams will return to service.
Still a lack of communication from midland metro. It is simple process all you have to say is sorry trams won't be returning anytime soon or yes trams will be returning and give a date.
Quote from: Ginger66 on May 24, 2022, 07:01:03 PMStill a lack of communication from midland metro. It is simple process all you have to say is sorry trams won't be returning anytime soon or yes trams will be returning and give a date.
Last that I read elsewhere was that a service between Wolverhampton and Bull Street was expected to resume "by the end of May". (Whether that was May 2022 or 2023 wasn't clear!)
Quote from: Stu on May 24, 2022, 07:06:43 PMLast that I read elsewhere was that a service between Wolverhampton and Bull Street was expected to resume "by the end of May". (Whether that was May 2022 or 2023 wasn't clear!)
Hopefully it'll be fairly soon, if they aren't running by the time this railway strike goes ahead, then it's gonna make commuting very difficult!
One of the trams made a journey to Wolverton on the back of an Allelys lorry yesterday presumably for repairs to the cracks.
Why send trams away now when service is supposed to be back end of the month.
@Ginger66 @4679 could it be that tram is in a worse state than the others
Has the West Midlands Metro actually restarted?
According to the TfWM website website front page, it's still suspended ...
QuoteHas the West Midlands Metro actually restarted?
According to the TfWM website website front page, it's still suspended ...
It's starting week commencing 5th June but a day hasn't been declared
Tram38 on test colmore row to bull street
When the trams do come back do we think they will be doing the full route to edgebaston or only to bull Street or Library??
Quote from: danny on June 07, 2022, 04:38:13 PMWhen the trams do come back do we think they will be doing the full route to edgebaston or only to bull Street or Library??
They're back in service on Thursday, running every 12-15 mins between Wolverhampton and Bull Street.
The five way stop still as paving work to be completed.
Despite the tram stops on broad street being blocked off by metal fencing people are standing at them trying to flag buses down
And the dumb look on the face when the bus doesn't stop to pick them up
Quote from: Ginger66 on June 07, 2022, 06:10:40 PMThe five way stop still as paving work to be completed.
and the road layout not finished yet no bus stop been put in yet due to it not being finished
Rode on 45 to Wolverhampton today. Good loads. Glad they're back - looking forward to riding to Edgbaston.
7 out of 8 trams i saw running today were the new Urbo 100's, nos. 39-45. The odd one out was no.22. So how long will it take before all the older Urbo 3's return to service ?
tram 21 was out saturday not in service with white around the door & asked conductor said about 4-6 weeks
On Friday noticed track laying appears to have finally been completed in Wolverhampton, although much paving still remains to be installed..
Also trams still appear to be running in and out of St. Georges on battery - possibly because the wiring in Pipers Row hasn't been cleared for energisation?
Bostin place for a tram to break down this morning
Tram 11 arriving at Sims Metals, Newport
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http://www.wnxx.com/22/2207/220722/11.htm
Quote from: mikestone on July 24, 2022, 12:21:23 PMTram 11 arriving at Sims Metals, Newport
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http://www.wnxx.com/22/2207/220722/11.htm
Wasn't this the tram that was supposed to be preserved at Birmingham museum
A Metro tram conductor assured me back in mid june that another new tram was due to arrive soon,,,, presumably tram 46?... has there been any sign of it yet?
Quote from: windy miller on July 30, 2022, 03:19:56 AMA Metro tram conductor assured me back in mid june that another new tram was due to arrive soon,,,, presumably tram 46?... has there been any sign of it yet?
They may have been getting mixed up with trams returning from off-site repairs, I did see one arrive back (presumably from CAF) on a low-loader the other day.
Quote from: DJ on July 31, 2022, 07:45:09 AMThey may have been getting mixed up with trams returning from off-site repairs, I did see one arrive back (presumably from CAF) on a low-loader the other day.
I think the rest of the new trams are due sometime in the next year or 2
QuoteI think the rest of the new trams are due sometime in the next year or 2
Yes, that's fairly obvious.
A post on Facebook says tram 46 due this week
According to E&S it looks like midland metro staff could be striking. If they do strike it will be a kick in the teeth for its passengers who have endured hardly any services since late 2021 and services are now slowly getting back to normal with trams coming back in service after been repaired.
The bosses should be frank with the staff that the customers have had no service due faulty trams and 'us' striking now will not go well done with passengers
Were the drivers paid their normal wages while the vehicles were inoperable?
Do you think the lines will be named once Digbeth - Birmingham and the other extensions come online.
Quote from: Ginger66 on September 10, 2022, 05:29:54 PMDo you think the lines will be named once Digbeth - Birmingham and the other extensions come online.
I don't know, more likely just additional route numbers added.
The current line is referred to as 'MM1', though I'm sure I have previously seen this referenced as 'ML1'.
Certainly the old trams used to show a route number of 1 on the destination blind.
(https://wmbusphotos.com/MidlandMetro/mm05.090815.jpg)
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-hubs/birmingham/2022/09/28/west-midlands-metro-workers-to-strike-for-52-days-including-in-run-up-to-christmas-over-poverty-wages/
Quote from: 2206 on September 28, 2022, 10:00:21 PMhttps://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-hubs/birmingham/2022/09/28/west-midlands-metro-workers-to-strike-for-52-days-including-in-run-up-to-christmas-over-poverty-wages/
Disgusting bosses should be frank and say we look at a better pay offer when the extensions open and when we offer a proper service to passengers.
QuoteDisgusting bosses should be frank and say we look at a better pay offer when the extensions open and when we offer a proper service to passengers.
And which extension is that then?
I wonder if all these workers continued to receive their 'poverty wages' while they were unable to work when the trams were out of service earlier this year.
QuoteDisgusting bosses should be frank
Considering the Suits pre-lockdown salaries ranged from £125-191k (not including 'bonuses') for this shambles, you're bang on the money with 'Disgusting bosses'...
QuoteI wonder if all these workers continued to receive their 'poverty wages' while they were unable to work when the trams were out of service earlier this year.
It wasn't the fault of the workers though was it?
Quote from: Dom on September 29, 2022, 07:44:47 PMIt wasn't the fault of the workers though was it?
No, but it is something that should be taken into consideration, I doubt many other employers would be prepared to pay their staff while there was no work for them to do.
It all boils down to simple economics, if the unions get their way, then the staff get their pay increase, but then as a result, the company's operating costs increase, which means that tickets/fares would have to increase in price in order to offset those increased costs.
And that does nothing to help with inflation or the 'cost of living' crisis, because everything just continues to go up in price as a result.
Tram 46 has entered service quietly. Saw it at West Brom Central this morning
Quote from: uniquicity on October 08, 2022, 01:14:30 PMTram 46 has entered service quietly. Saw it at West Brom Central this morning
Roughly a 50 day turnaround for commission/testing to entry into service
Quote from: uniquicity on October 08, 2022, 01:14:30 PMTram 46 has entered service quietly. Saw it at West Brom Central this morning
What are numbers going up to in this current batch? The latest fleetbook I have goes up to number 50. Is that correct?
The current order goes up to No.58. All should be delivered by 2023.
Does the current depot have enough storage for all the fleet
Quote from: Solo1 on August 01, 2022, 11:16:48 PMA post on Facebook says tram 46 due this week
Solo I travelled on tram 46 today (Wednesday ) wolves to edgbaston
Is there any update on when the Wolverhampton train station extension will open?
Looks like Stoke is following Coventry and planning a VLR.
If Coventry trams are going to be driverless vehicles like the DLR, surely the midland metro should look at driverless trams
Quote from: Ginger66 on October 14, 2022, 12:27:27 PMLooks like Stoke is following Coventry and planning a VLR.
If Coventry trams are going to be driverless vehicles like the DLR, surely the midland metro should look at driverless trams
As West Midlands Metro uses some public roads - unlike the DLR - I can't see that driverless trams would be possible.
QuoteAs West Midlands Metro uses some public roads - unlike the DLR - I can't see that driverless trams would be possible.
I agree, too many unpredictables, pedestrians & vehicles etc.
Why are the so many stupid idiots out there as the metro has had to cut journeys short today due idiotic drivers leaving cars blocking the line.
According to the metros twitter the line in Brum was blocked in Brum this morning and again this evening.
https://westmidlandsmetro.com/disruptions/service-changes-due-to-industrial-action
Quote from: Solo1 on November 16, 2022, 08:36:01 AMhttps://westmidlandsmetro.com/disruptions/service-changes-due-to-industrial-action
Hopefully it gets accepted
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/out-west-midlands-metro-strike-25554286
Strike called off as pay offer has been accepted.
But half the fleet is still been repaired and the service level is every 12 minutes.
The question is how long till the rest of the fleet is repaired and why have MML still kept the order with them for the rest of the trams.
And just how do you think any other builder could get vehicles designed, built and passed for service any quicker?
I don't know if it's my imagination but was there idea of taking the metro from Edgbaston to the cricket ground
Tram 47 is now in service
As anyone seen the railway bridge replacement video on Facebook via unilad where the crew replacing a bridge completes the task in four days.
Yet the crew replacing the bridges for midland metro seem to take ages.
I have read that the Coventry VLR is to be tested in the heart of Coventry, I have read that the VLR is supposed to be compatible with MM.
If it is compatible with MM why not do testing between St Paul's to Edgbaston Village to see how it handles street running in a live scenario.
Quote from: Ginger66 on January 14, 2023, 05:52:05 PMI have read that the Coventry VLR is to be tested in the heart of Coventry, I have read that the VLR is supposed to be compatible with MM.
If it is compatible with MM why not do testing between St Paul's to Edgbaston Village to see how it handles street running in a live scenario.
Insurance or safety concerns? Perhaps it could be tested on the section of MM along Pipers Row, Wolverhampton since that's unlikely to open any time soon?
QuoteI have read that the Coventry VLR is to be tested in the heart of Coventry, I have read that the VLR is supposed to be compatible with MM.
If it is compatible with MM why not do testing between St Paul's to Edgbaston Village to see how it handles street running in a live scenario.
This is a VLR vehicle. Very Light Rail, which means different track. light Rail and Very Light Rail refers to the track not the weight of the vehicle
Been on the Metro for the first time in a while today, why are there a lot of 5 restrictions going through platforms.
Is this because of the condition of the track?
Quote from: Tony on January 14, 2023, 07:11:42 PMThis is a VLR vehicle. Very Light Rail, which means different track. light Rail and Very Light Rail refers to the track not the weight of the vehicle
Is this similar to the units used on the Stourbridge Shuttle?
Quote from: Rachvince53 on February 02, 2023, 07:24:24 PMIs this similar to the units used on the Stourbridge Shuttle?
It is probably just a bit smaller than the Stourbridge Shuttle
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 02, 2023, 03:52:51 PMBeen on the Metro for the first time in a while today, why are there a lot of 5 restrictions going through platforms.
Is this because of the condition of the track?
Speed restrictions? Probably more likely because of people walking onto the tracks in front of trams!
I noticed the bricks or tiles around the rails between the platforms at Bilston Central and The Crescent disappeared a couple of months ago, perhaps in order that the rails could be replaced. Perhaps the rails between the platforms with a 5kph limit need replacement too, but on the main line rails to be replaced are subject to a 20 mph limit while this is 3 mph!
Some nice stupid idiot parked his car on the tracks just off colmore row last night / this morning
Move car
Than tram broke down there
Quote from: karl724223 on February 18, 2023, 09:46:26 AMSome nice stupid idiot parked his car on the tracks just off colmore row last night / this morning
Move car
Than tram broke down there
Something needs to happen to stop this happening time and time again.
1) Barriers or gate on the entrance to the entrance to snow hill that are closed at the end of the day.
2) let trams carry on as normal and plough into car so the car is totally destroyed
Quote from: Ginger66 on February 19, 2023, 08:59:43 AMSomething needs to happen to stop this happening time and time again.
1) Barriers or gate on the entrance to the entrance to snow hill that are closed at the end of the day.
2) let trams carry on as normal and plough into car so the car is totally destroyed
You'd be the first to complain when most of the trams end up out of service with accident damage...
(Jesus is this one of the worst suggestions ever on this forum, including anything by Richard Jones?)
Can they see the tram tracks or the poles
Quote from: uniquicity on December 21, 2022, 08:39:17 AMTram 47 is now in service
I believe tram 48 is also in service
48 is out
Quote from: windy miller on February 23, 2023, 02:13:54 AMI believe tram 48 is also in service
saw Tram 46 & 48 in Birmingham, i only keep a mental log of them tho - not really a metro fan
48 has been in service since at least 13 Jan. Was obviously going the other way while I wanted to bash it...
If anyone sees tram 41 please post on here. I suspect something amiss is going on with it
Quote from: Solo1 on February 19, 2023, 11:42:53 AMCan they see the tram tracks or the poles
I reported this short cut taken by drivers (and not just delivery vehicles) to TfWM a few years ago and got the reply "well they're on camera so will be fined". Its not good enough, need rising bollards which would at least help to stop most vans and cars.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on February 24, 2023, 05:56:31 PMI reported this short cut taken by drivers (and not just delivery vehicles) to TfWM a few years ago and got the reply "well they're on camera so will be fined". Its not good enough, need rising bollards which would at least help to stop most vans and cars.
Rising bollard get hit by idiot still trying to get through and you have no trams for days, not just hours. Don't think that will happen? watch this video in Manchester (at least it isn't protecting tram tracks) BBC NEWS | England | Manchester | Bollard crash drivers face action (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8181820.stm)
Should also name & shame them with fine of £1k minimum
Lifts while are the lifts at Lodge Road and Bilston so crap, as Bilston ones are always out of action.
So May as come and gone and spring is almost over and yet the new extension is still not open.
I thought construction was completed towards the end of march as WMM and MML started low speed test early April surely that was successful.
When people ask on Twitter when opening extension you get vague reply later this year or no date as been confirmed.
Surely we should have a date my now it's been two months since the first tram went on test and commissioning of the new extension.
Edinburgh is already on course to open their extension and yet midland metro is way behind , I did think we would have opened first but can now see Blackpool coming in and opening their extension before the midlands opens theirs.
Tram 57 was out in service today, first time I've seen that one and can't see it mentioned elsewhere.
Quote from: Gareth on June 06, 2023, 11:21:22 PMTram 57 was out in service today, first time I've seen that one and can't see it mentioned elsewhere.
Cheers for the gen. Was a recent delivery along with 56.
51 and 53 are also in service and 41 is back from its time off.
Never mind the bullcrap chat about infrastructure, the biggest crime is why they haven't gone to an 8 minute frequency yet
Quote from: uniquicity on June 06, 2023, 11:28:37 PMCheers for the gen. Was a recent delivery along with 56.
51 and 53 are also in service and 41 is back from its time off.
Never mind the bullcrap chat about infrastructure, the biggest crime is why they haven't gone to an 8 minute frequency yet
True but it's staffing is the issue at least it's better then every 15 minutes for a tram hopefully we can get back to the 6/8 minute service
i still dont see the need for inconvenience of the blessed Tram, they dont seem to run to tome, and whenever i see them theyre always 3/4 empty, ive never been a fan of the Tram and still not, i think its a backwards step, but nobody cares what i think, so ill slip away now while nobody is looking
So it's just slightly over 3 months since testing and commissioning commenced and yet there is no still no date for opening of the extension.
Oops its happened again on Thursday evening last week there was overhead lines issues and in less than a week the same problem as occurred again on the same section of track as of last weeks issue
Tram 50 was out today not in service. I can't recall seeing that one before, and I've scrolled back a while and can't see a mention of it. Certainly looked externally immaculate and shiny anyway!
Quote from: Gareth on August 19, 2023, 12:10:26 AMTram 50 was out today not in service. I can't recall seeing that one before, and I've scrolled back a while and can't see a mention of it. Certainly looked externally immaculate and shiny anyway!
https://flic.kr/p/2oQ375J. Out in service I've mostly seen 49 out
Oh so it's been here a while then. Must have always eluded me!
Quote from: Gareth on August 19, 2023, 12:10:26 AMTram 50 was out today not in service. I can't recall seeing that one before, and I've scrolled back a while and can't see a mention of it. Certainly looked externally immaculate and shiny anyway!
50 was delivered on 31st May and has been in service, first day noted as 15th July. https://twitter.com/AndysTramPhotos/status/1680220674999058432/photo/1
Looking at Andy Streets transport plan there is a potential for a line for Midland Metro from Wednesbury to Walsall via much of the disused railway to at least the bescot junction.
Surely today is a good point to do a feasibility test and clear much of vegetation that has grown over the years since the line became disused.
- You could walk the line and workout how many sleepers you would need for whole line and what it would cost at let's say at 2024/25 prices compared to 2036/37 prices. (buy now in bulk and store on that disused section close to bescot end)
- You could work out how much length of track you would require again for who line and compare prices.
Or are items such as track and sleepers order when needed meaning you order low bull street first and pay X amount then order 6 months late for the section between the old McDonald's and Clayton and pay higher price.
They started a three month trial for allowing non-assistance dogs onto the trams as passengers (https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/major-metro-passenger-policy-change-27524415).
I didn't realise they were banned in the first place.
Quote from: Ginger66 on August 23, 2023, 05:04:11 AMLooking at Andy Streets transport plan there is a potential for a line for Midland Metro from Wednesbury to Walsall via much of the disused railway to at least the bescot junction.
Surely today is a good point to do a feasibility test and clear much of vegetation that has grown over the years since the line became disused.
- You could walk the line and workout how many sleepers you would need for whole line and what it would cost at let's say at 2024/25 prices compared to 2036/37 prices. (buy now in bulk and store on that disused section close to bescot end)
- You could work out how much length of track you would require again for who line and compare prices.
Or are items such as track and sleepers order when needed meaning you order low bull street first and pay X amount then order 6 months late for the section between the old McDonald's and Clayton and pay higher price.
They cleared the section of old railway cutting between Reedswood Sainsburys & Coalpool a few years ago, as part of the proposed 5W's & thats started to grow back!
(Shame though, as that wouldve been another option to get to & from Willenhall for me!)
Unfortunately at least part of the trackbed between Green Lane and the junction where it joined the still used line heading north out of Walsall was used for a major pipe with the cutting then being filled in around the pipe. Under the 5Ws this would have been the line into Walsall railway station and hence connect to the mothballed South Staffordshire Line through Wednesbury.
With the announcement of training of new route midland metro as posted posers on all stops to make passengers aware.
Each tram as several monitors which could have displayed this message, surely it's greener to use the monitors on the trams rather them printing numerous posters that will end up in land fill
Quote from: Ginger66 on August 25, 2023, 06:52:25 AMWith the announcement of training of new route midland metro as posted posers on all stops to make passengers aware.
Each tram as several monitors which could have displayed this message, surely it's greener to use the monitors on the trams rather them printing numerous posters that will end up in land fill
would they look at the monitors
Quote from: Owen on August 24, 2023, 09:44:27 PMThe real trams are bad enough
noticed yesterday on broad street, 1/2 empty tram stopped 8 fully loaded buses behind held up tram was there a good 5 minutes maybe more, if this is going to happen everywhere then god help us, i have still yet to see a tram fully loaded......
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on August 28, 2023, 03:12:07 PMnoticed yesterday on broad street, 1/2 empty tram stopped 8 fully loaded buses behind held up tram was there a good 5 minutes maybe more, if this is going to happen everywhere then god help us, i have still yet to see a tram fully loaded......
Exactly hardly anyone wants the tram. We would rather express buses and bus lanes. Hardly any room on a tram, they are slow on the roads until they get to their own track. And if the east side tram replaces the 97 route to NEC I think that one will really cause havoc... people hanging off the top/ back of trams. Real bad traffic exc. they got rid of the trams not long before, 2012 reintroduced again.
Quote from: Owen on August 28, 2023, 03:19:05 PMExactly hardly anyone wants the tram. We would rather express buses and bus lanes. Hardly any room on a tram, they are slow on the roads until they get to their own track. And if the east side tram replaces the 97 route to NEC I think that one will really cause havoc... people hanging off the top/ back of trams. Real bad traffic exc. they got rid of the trams not long before, 2012 reintroduced again.
Trams and Trolleybuses were scrapped long before i got into buses (1975) i think they are a lame idea and a backwards step, Electric Buses & Hydrogen Buses are a good idea in theory, i saw 6 Hydrogens the other afternoon in Birmingham the first ive seen, they seem ok, Electrics that came through all very battered 2 had no fleet numbers probably due to replacement panels, they should return to BCT days were a driver was that scared to get a scratch on his bus, im told a lot of drivers carried a pot of indian ink to cover any marks
That section of the metro is expected to not carry many passengers anyway. The terminus is at a Morrisons and once the tram leaves central Birmingham for Wolverhampton, it gets filled anyway.
And to address the anti-tram sentiments, trams are likely the future of public transport in Birmingham. Trams answer a lot of problems that Birmingham currently has with its transport. We can't stick to buses all the time because they get held up by the over-abundance of cars in this city. Many corridors that are currently run by BC would really benefit if trams ran along a similar route to alleviate the traffic, such as Bristol Road routes or Chelmsley Wood routes.
The main issue is the cost of new tram projects of course. But the main reason that British cities underperform is because of poor transport. Express buses and bus lanes are nice, but they aren't the only solution.
Not fair on Cars, taxis, buses, lorry's, to get dominated by a tram. What happens when one breaks down and everyone has to detour? And how is one going to fit down bordsley green road with the way the cars are halfway in the road, the trash? Never mind one going the other way. Unless it involves double red lines lol
Quote from: Ronnoc on August 28, 2023, 04:52:05 PMcan't stick to buses all the time because they get held up by the over-abundance of cars in this city.
Surely bus lanes can do the same thing.
Also would be interesting to see how the trams would manage to overtake the slow moving traffic and get through the section between Heartlands and Digbeth through Bordesley Green.
I wonder what will happen with the old platform at Snow Hill, it looks very neglected these days.
Quote from: 2206 on August 28, 2023, 08:58:27 PMI wonder what will happen with the old platform at Snow Hill, it looks very neglected these days.
The plan is to reinstate Platform 4 at Snow Hill for rail use so this will see the site of the old tram platform swept away.
QuoteThe plan is to reinstate Platform 4 at Snow Hill for rail use so this will see the site of the old tram platform swept away.
There were people looking at snow hill in April and May. Taking photos of PTI (Passenger Train Interface) also I think they want it to be bidirectional like the other 3.
There's lots of old underground systems in the city, can't the trams use that, similar to London?
Quote from: Owen on August 29, 2023, 12:03:39 AMThere's lots of old underground systems in the city, can't the trams use that, similar to London?
Means more digging up roads, moving lots of utility works, drains, sewers etc...
Trams don't need to run along every road.
Tram 55, seen in West Bromwich central, not in service
Not a good morning for the Metro today at 06:30 a signal failure meant that Trams could not run from Wolverhampton Station to the Royal this has to be like the sixth signal failure on this section. Then at 10:41 although it was resolved half an hour later a Tram had failed on the same section so trams were terminating at the Royal. I believe Priestfeild has the capability of having both platforms used to terminate trams I remember the line from it to St George's was closed then a couple of weeks later the Trams were suspended. But how do they terminate at The Royal and what happens to the Tram that is stuck behind the one that has broken down does it remain at The Station or does is it able crossover somewhere out of service to reach the Royal. And had St Georges been open depending on where the failure was I assume Trams could have terminated there
What's going on with the metro? There's been a tram stuck in the middle of Suffolk Street Queensway (by the traffic lights) with police vehicles on either side for a while now
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 10, 2024, 03:56:47 PMWhat's going on with the metro? There's been a tram stuck in the middle of Suffolk Street Queensway (by the traffic lights) with police vehicles on either side for a while now
Was just reported as a 'police incident' on Twitter by WM Metro, while NX just said 'emergency'.
Police shut major city routes over welfare concerns for man 'sat on bridge'https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/police-shut-major-city-routes-28424524
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on January 10, 2024, 02:44:00 PMNot a good morning for the Metro today at 06:30 a signal failure meant that Trams could not run from Wolverhampton Station to the Royal this has to be like the sixth signal failure on this section. Then at 10:41 although it was resolved half an hour later a Tram had failed on the same section so trams were terminating at the Royal. I believe Priestfeild has the capability of having both platforms used to terminate trams I remember the line from it to St George's was closed then a couple of weeks later the Trams were suspended. But how do they terminate at The Royal and what happens to the Tram that is stuck behind the one that has broken down does it remain at The Station or does is it able crossover somewhere out of service to reach the Royal. And had St Georges been open depending on where the failure was I assume Trams could have terminated there
There is a crossover just north of The Royal installed for when the Metro bridge is closed. As to any tram stuck behind the broken down tram, there is no facility to pass it owing to the line running on the street as to do so would mean running the tram against the traffic.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on January 11, 2024, 08:11:27 PMThere is a crossover just north of The Royal installed for when the Metro bridge is closed. As to any tram stuck behind the broken down tram, there is no facility to pass it owing to the line running on the street as to do so would mean running the tram against the traffic.
Oh I have never noticed the crossover point and yeah the Street section makes sense.
While I was in Dudley on Friday I managed to get a photo of the old metro parked outside, then on Sunday while I was on the 11A I seen two blue metros parked inside, there may be more parked inside but I could only see two, I'm assuming these are 2 of the older batch CAF urbos 3s as don't often see them out these days, now and again you will see the odd one or two on the line, but mainly the newer batch of the CAF urbos 3s on the line now, does anyone know what metros are at the Dudley base.
Quote from: Wba_lad on January 16, 2024, 10:25:31 AMWhile I was in Dudley on Friday I managed to get a photo of the old metro parked outside, then on Sunday while I was on the 11A I seen two blue metros parked inside, there may be more parked inside but I could only see two, I'm assuming these are 2 of the older batch CAF urbos 3s as don't often see them out these days, now and again you will see the odd one or two on the line, but mainly the newer batch of the CAF urbos 3s on the line now, does anyone know what metros are at the Dudley base.
You mean the Very Light Rail Innovation Centre?
Quote from: Stu on January 16, 2024, 11:39:00 AMYou mean the Very Light Rail Innovation Centre?
Yeah that's the one, when typing this I just could not think the name of the place for the life of me, thank you. And apologies.
More Signalling Issues yesterday on the new section.
If it is possible I wonder if they will increase the Trams frequency on Sunday as apparently there are no Trains and Wolves are travelling to The Hawthorns to take on West Brom in the Derby which kicks off at 11:45. Even the Wolves fans are getting an escort I believe there will be still 20 odd thousand West Brom fans
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on January 25, 2024, 11:02:31 AMIf it is possible I wonder if they will increase the Trams frequency on Sunday as apparently there are no Trains and Wolves are travelling to The Hawthorns to take on West Brom in the Derby which kicks off at 11:45. Even the Wolves fans are getting an escort I believe there will be still 20 odd thousand West Brom fans
TfWM aren't saying anything will change with regards to the Metro. They are merely suggesting that people not travelling to the match avoid the area before and after the match. They also state you can catch the 79 which they think only goes to Wednesbury!
Quote from: Rachvince53 on January 26, 2024, 12:39:58 PMTfWM aren't saying anything will change with regards to the Metro. They are merely suggesting that people not travelling to the match avoid the area before and after the match. They also state you can catch the 79 which they think only goes to Wednesbury!
They probably meant the 75 which hasn't run for years and that was briefly extended to Darlaston. Some NX E400's still reference them both on the 74 Branding some of them say the 79 to Wednesbury to not even Darlaston where a lot of Albion and Wolves fan live and Wolverhampton itself
79 to west brom then 74 to hawthorns
Quote from: Solo1 on January 27, 2024, 08:03:37 AM79 to west brom then 74 to hawthorns
Thats presumably what the TfWM info was supposed to say.
Quote from: Solo1 on January 27, 2024, 08:03:37 AM79 to west brom then 74 to hawthorns
Yeah has been since 2011
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-hubs/wolverhampton/2024/01/30/end-of-the-line-for-west-midlands-metro-tram-conductors---but-passengers-raise-security-concerns
Quote from: Solo1 on January 30, 2024, 03:09:38 PMhttps://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-hubs/wolverhampton/2024/01/30/end-of-the-line-for-west-midlands-metro-tram-conductors---but-passengers-raise-security-concerns
Expectation: "we don't need conductors to sell and check tickets because passengers will either 'tap-and-go' or buy tickets online or with an app"
Reality: "we don't understand why passenger numbers are growing and trams are frequently crowded, yet revenues aren't increasing"
:angel:
When is St George's going to re open?
What to stop someone travelling late night & don't buy ticket will they still be conductors roaming around the tram stops & jumping on trams at say 1030 at night to check tickets/psses
So the conductors will be given new roles. I wonder how many will be laid off.
Quote from: Solo1 on January 31, 2024, 07:55:51 AMWhat to stop someone travelling late night & don't buy ticket will they still be conductors roaming around the tram stops & jumping on trams at say 1030 at night to check tickets/psses
It'll probably be just like the snow hill services, you never see the conductor on there. And they leave the barriers open at certain times off day, I guess as they think its not worth the cost of them manning them.
Looks like tram 46 had a accident today on broad street with a truck, looks like the truck turned and some how did not see a bright blue metro and his swing hit the metro.
PART CLOSURE OF METRO 23rd March to 9th April
To allow work to be carried out where the new Dudley line joins the existing line, no trams will run between Wednesbury and Birmingham between those dates. The line will also close south of Black Lake on 5th May only.
Replacement bus services will operate.
(Info courtesy of Express and Star : Monday 5th February 2024)
So the other day for the first time in a few weeks I popped down digbeth as wanted to pop into the coach station and check a price of a coach, I was very suprised on how much they have actually got done, outside the coach station now the track is all layed and the construction gates have been lifted meaning you can get off the bus ect and walk straight over into the coach station instead of going to the special pathway. I wonder how long it will take to get it all finished to link it all up to bull street. A rough estimate will the new lines be as following Wolverhampton St George - bull street then to digbeth, Wolverhampton station - bull street then edgbaston village and then Wednesbury to Dudley ect.
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 16, 2024, 02:14:52 AMI wonder how long it will take to get it all finished to link it all up to bull street.
It will be at least a couple of years before we ever see trams running on those tracks in Digbeth; it can't be linked up until the Curzon Street HS2 station nears completion.
Quote from: Stu on February 16, 2024, 09:19:47 AMIt will be at least a couple of years before we ever see trams running on those tracks in Digbeth; it can't be linked up until the Curzon Street HS2 station nears completion.
Couple? You're being
very optimistic there!
I'll be surprised if it happens before 2030.
Quote from: ellspurs on February 16, 2024, 02:23:08 PMCouple? You're being very optimistic there!
I'll be surprised if it happens before 2030.
It will depend on how far into the station construction programme Midland Metro Alliance will be given access to the site to do the work they need to do, ie lay trackwork.
QuoteHS2's contractor Mace Dragados Joint Venture (MDJV) have been in Stage One of the contract since 2021, working with HS2 Ltd to develop the detailed programme. Starting January 2024, they will deliver major earthworks to prepare the site for piling and foundations work in the Spring, with construction of the main station building due to start in the Summer.
Work on the station façade will begin in Summer 2025, with construction of concourse steelwork and the roof due to start in Autumn 2025. The internal fit-out of the station will start towards the end of 2025 and finish at the end of 2028. Operational testing and commissioning will run from Summer 2026 to Autumn 2028.
https://www.hs2.org.uk/building-hs2/stations/curzon-street/
Personally I think it would be silly to wait until the station is completely finished before allowing MMA to do their thing, but then again many large-scale projects such as these suffer from a lack of 'joined-up thinking', in order to save costs and time.
Engneering works taking place
saturday 23rd march untill monday 25th march, trams will operate up to every 10 mins between wolverhampton station and wednesbury parkway ONLY. there will be no service betwenen wolverhampton and edgbaston village.
tuesday 26th march untill tuesday 9th april, trams will operate up to every 10 mins between wolverhampton station and wednesbury great western street.
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 29, 2024, 04:47:01 PMEngneering works taking place
saturday 23rd march untill monday 25th march, trams will operate up to every 10 mins between wolverhampton station and wednesbury parkway ONLY. there will be no service betwenen wolverhampton and edgbaston village.
tuesday 26th march untill tuesday 9th april, trams will operate up to every 10 mins between wolverhampton station and wednesbury great western street.
79 and 74 to the rescue from Wednesbury to Brum let's hope West Brom aren't playing at home on that Saturday otherwise that could be manic and put even more pressure on the already gridlocked M5 J1 and Birmingham Road. I know many Albion fans use the Tram from Wednesbury to West Brom or from West Brom to The Hawthorns after having Drinks in the town.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on March 01, 2024, 10:47:23 AM79 and 74 to the rescue from Wednesbury to Brum let's hope West Brom aren't playing at home on that Saturday otherwise that could be manic and put even more pressure on the already gridlocked M5 J1 and Birmingham Road. I know many Albion fans use the Tram from Wednesbury to West Brom or from West Brom to The Hawthorns after having Drinks in the town.
Only one home match effected: on 1st April 2024 via Watford.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on March 01, 2024, 02:18:59 PMOnly one home match effected: on 1st April 2024 via Watford.
With the way the season is shaping up that will be a sell out against another Play Off Contender
Quote from: Stu on February 16, 2024, 09:19:47 AMIt will be at least a couple of years before we ever see trams running on those tracks in Digbeth; it can't be linked up until the Curzon Street HS2 station nears completion.
just what we need, more congestion and traffic jams due to roads being occupied by empty trams, ive yet to see a full one, i see a lot of people walk away from the stop at Morrisons and get a bus or taxi instead........... thinks what a wonderful mayor we have he provides all the things we dont want and dont need loits dont even work :tongue:
I've deliberately ignored the forum recently because of all the rubbish posts.
But having just stood from Birmingham to West Brom and far too intimate with a few people around me, I'm calling bullshit on the above
(This was no different to normal on the 3 days I commute on the metro each week...)
Quote from: uniquicity on March 06, 2024, 04:51:40 PMI've deliberately ignored the forum recently because of all the rubbish posts.
But having just stood from Birmingham to West Brom and far too intimate with a few people around me, I'm calling bullshit on the above
(This was no different to normal on the 3 days I commute on the metro each week...)
maybe its the time of day ? its certainly not inacurate, but im willing to concede it could be time of day, mid afternoon when im about theyre empty (well maybe upto 20 people at most)
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on March 07, 2024, 02:47:19 PMmaybe its the time of day ? its certainly not inacurate, but im willing to concede it could be time of day, mid afternoon when im about theyre empty (well maybe upto 20 people at most)
probably more where on route you look, between Bull Street and Wolverhampton I have never been on one with less than around 40 people on. They are quieter Bull Street to Edgbaston village
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2024, 02:58:34 PMprobably more where on route you look, between Bull Street and Wolverhampton I have never been on one with less than around 40 people on. They are quieter Bull Street to Edgbaston village
Morrisons to 5 ways, usually, if i go to Birmingham, then Broad St / Corporation St, not arguing, just saying......
Been on the tram today to ride the full journey Edgbaston Village to Wolverhampton Rail Station.
Very few people from Edgbaston and even in the City Centre not many people got on. Probablly most people got on at West Bromwich bus station, but even then there were seats.
At Journeys end a few people got off at the Train station, but have to say that no one was waiting to catch the tram in the Birmingham direction.
Seems strange that they haven't reopened the track to Wolverhampton St Georges, you always got quite a few people waiting for the tram there. Seems to have been forgotten about?
What would be the point in going to St Georges? The stops by the bus station are only a two min walk from St George's stop
QuoteWhat would be the point in going to St Georges? The stops by the bus station are only a two min walk from St George's stop
St George's is the nearest to the local shops, two minutes for a fit and younger person. More like 5 to 10 mins for someone with mobility issues. I think they would like St George's to return (which I think it's destined to in some form)
In fact most people use Pipers Row as not only is it next to the bus station but it's nearer to the shopping centres.
I've noticed over the past couple of weeks more and more trams are displaying 'to exit the tram press the illuminated button' instead of a destination display. Some carry in on the front only, some carry front and rear.
Is there a reason for displaying this instead of a destination?
Quote from: Gareth on April 19, 2024, 05:29:34 PMI've noticed over the past couple of weeks more and more trams are displaying 'to exit the tram press the illuminated button' instead of a destination display. Some carry in on the front only, some carry front and rear.
Is there a reason for displaying this instead of a destination?
Because after Covid the driver opened the doors automatically from the cab. After the engineering works it seems to have gone back to previous, and it was catching passengers out
Also don't know why they decided to increase the frequency to every 8 minutes when it apparently isn't carrying any passengers...
:wink:
Quote from: uniquicity on April 19, 2024, 08:13:07 PMBecause after Covid the driver opened the doors automatically from the cab. After the engineering works it seems to have gone back to previous, and it was catching passengers out
I think I'd rather see the destination than how to open a door!
don't Tram drivers understand "TimeTables" this afternoon (didn't think to look at the time) scene at Morrisons (five ways) 4 Trams parked, drivers all standing around chatting ??
apparently not a care in the world, or interest in running a service, this why i say its not needed its not the first time ive noticed this happening, last time it was 3 together...
has the service now changed to "Run When Required" or is this some other new way of working
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on August 07, 2024, 08:16:00 PMdon't Tram drivers understand "TimeTables" this afternoon (didn't think to look at the time) scene at Morrisons (five ways) 4 Trams parked, drivers all standing around chatting ??
apparently not a care in the world, or interest in running a service, this why i say its not needed its not the first time ive noticed this happening, last time it was 3 together...
has the service now changed to "Run When Required" or is this some other new way of working
Or was Broad Street blocked so they were instructed to wait there?
What as happening with the St George's tram stop a year on and still not re opened to passengers.
I thought the plan was alternative trams to serve the old stol
Quote from: wembley86 on October 29, 2024, 10:02:47 AMWhat as happening with the St George's tram stop a year on and still not re opened to passengers.
I thought the plan was alternative trams to serve the old stol
I thought this too.
Unless they're planning to close it by stealth
They will be more Police Officers patrolling the Metro from today to reduce Crime and ASB