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Title: Renumbering
Post by: arrifirststage on December 10, 2014, 09:09:36 AM
I understand that the 38xx Scanias are being re numbered immediately into the 35xx block to make way for a batch of DAF pulsars from Arriva North West Ggreen Lane Garage.
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: Squirrel on December 10, 2014, 06:11:12 PM
Quote from: arrifirststage on December 10, 2014, 09:09:36 AM
I understand that the 38xx Scanias are being re numbered immediately into the 35xx block to make way for a batch of DAF pulsars from Arriva North West Ggreen Lane Garage.

Which Scanias and Pulsars for what depots?
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: John on December 10, 2014, 06:53:47 PM
Quote from: Squirrel on December 10, 2014, 06:11:12 PM
Quote from: arrifirststage on December 10, 2014, 09:09:36 AM
I understand that the 38xx Scanias are being re numbered immediately into the 35xx block to make way for a batch of DAF pulsars from Arriva North West Ggreen Lane Garage.

Which Scanias and Pulsars for what depots?

I guess the OmniLinks 3800-12 and the 3 ex-Centrebus Wright Solars 3813-5
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: Bob on December 10, 2014, 07:28:00 PM
Lets hope cannock dont get any more of the b#####d things
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: andy on December 10, 2014, 11:35:35 PM
I would imagine Wednesfield may get some judging by the clues given in the other thread.

Bob I would love to hear your reaction to Cannock getting more Pulsars at the expense of MPD's. I fear even you wouldn't know what to think.

But even you have to concede that Cannock's fleet is looking vastly superior to what it did this time 12 months ago? Despite your predictable slating of the Streetlites.
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: Squirrel on December 11, 2014, 04:57:01 AM
Quote from: andy on December 10, 2014, 11:35:35 PM
I would imagine Wednesfield may get some judging by the clues given in the other thread.

Bob I would love to hear your reaction to Cannock getting more Pulsars at the expense of MPD's. I fear even you wouldn't know what to think.

But even you have to concede that Cannock's fleet is looking vastly superior to what it did this time 12 months ago? Despite your predictable slating of the Streetlites.

I'd take whatever Bob says with a pinch of salt lol

Do Wednesfield have any services that would benefit from Pulsars?
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: Bob on December 11, 2014, 07:35:23 AM
The fleets looking superior yea,  apart from how slow they are at refurbishments. Theres still a load of shocking darts and as yet only one of the threadbare 3701-4 has received a retrim. But yea the fleets looking better
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: Ashley on December 11, 2014, 10:40:10 AM
Four for Wednesfield, this would release deckers somewhere in guessing. Four for Shrewsbury for the 164 id put money on it, 1 for Oswestry and four for leciester I think
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: broma1k on December 11, 2014, 02:58:12 PM
YN08 HZW-3809 noted in Birmingham on the 116 this lunchtime now renumbered 3509
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: Trident 4609 on December 11, 2014, 03:22:15 PM
Quote from: Ashley on December 11, 2014, 10:40:10 AM
Four for Wednesfield, this would release deckers somewhere in guessing. Four for Shrewsbury for the 164 id put money on it, 1 for Oswestry and four for leciester I think

All but 4 Double Deckers will depart Wednesfield by 4th Jan 2015
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: Bob on December 11, 2014, 03:27:38 PM
Where they headed? Any possibility of cannock receiving a spare?
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: arrifirststage on December 11, 2014, 06:21:36 PM
Quote from: arrifirststage on December 10, 2014, 09:09:36 AM
I understand that the 38xx Scanias are being re numbered immediately into the 35xx block to make way for a batch of DAF pulsars from Arriva North West Ggreen Lane Garage.
Latest news is that 23 DAF Pulsars will be coming to Arriva Midlands.
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: PM on December 11, 2014, 06:28:17 PM
And 10 into the North East by the sounds of it, from Bootle.

Wonder what will be displacing them at Arriva North West as they still have older darts to replace?
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: BN on December 11, 2014, 06:33:01 PM
Quote from: arrifirststage on December 11, 2014, 06:21:36 PM
Quote from: arrifirststage on December 10, 2014, 09:09:36 AM
I understand that the 38xx Scanias are being re numbered immediately into the 35xx block to make way for a batch of DAF pulsars from Arriva North West Ggreen Lane Garage.
Latest news is that 23 DAF Pulsars will be coming to Arriva Midlands.

13.
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: BN on December 11, 2014, 06:39:01 PM
Quote from: Ashley on December 11, 2014, 10:40:10 AM
Four for Wednesfield, this would release deckers somewhere in guessing. Four for Shrewsbury for the 164 id put money on it, 1 for Oswestry and four for leciester I think

Not quite. 4 for Wednesfield is correct, not the rest. Due mid Jan.
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: Tony on December 11, 2014, 06:58:23 PM
The 13 Pulsars coming are

NW           Reg         Midlands

3153   MX13ANF   3799
3154   MX13ANP   3800
3155   MX13ANR   3801
3156   MX13AKF   3802
3157   MX13AKG   3803
3158   MX13AKJ   3804
3062   MX61AWP   3805
3063   MX61AWR   3806
3064   MX61AWU   3807
3065   MX61AWV   3808
3066   MX61AWW   3809
3067   MX61AWZ   3810
3068   MX61AXA   3811

The Streetlites coming at Telford are
3319   FJ64ETU
3320   FJ64ETV
3321   FJ64ETX
3322   FJ64ETY
3323   FJ64EUH
3324   FJ64EUK
3325   FJ64EUL
3326   FJ64EUM
3327   FJ64EUN
3328   FJ64EUO
3329   FJ64EUP
3330   FJ64EUR
3331   FJ64EUT
3332   FJ64EUU
3333   FJ64EUV
3334   FJ64EUW
3335   FJ64EUX
3336   FJ64EUY
3337   FJ64EUZ
3338   FJ64EVT
3339   FJ64EVV
3340   FJ64JYL
3341   FJ64JYN
3342   FJ64JYO
3343   FJ64JYP

Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: tyresmoke on December 11, 2014, 07:01:56 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 11, 2014, 06:28:17 PM
And 10 into the North East by the sounds of it, from Bootle.

Wonder what will be displacing them at Arriva North West as they still have older darts to replace?

They are in the process of receiving 61 Enviro 400's as part of the 2015 order, indeed the first 5 have been delivered already. 10 for the North East has been confirmed by our management :)
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: Bob on December 11, 2014, 07:02:33 PM
Quote from: Bob on December 11, 2014, 03:27:38 PM
Where they headed? Any possibility of cannock receiving a spare?

Spare decker that should read
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: PM on December 11, 2014, 07:10:00 PM
Quote from: tyresmoke on December 11, 2014, 07:01:56 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 11, 2014, 06:28:17 PM
And 10 into the North East by the sounds of it, from Bootle.

Wonder what will be displacing them at Arriva North West as they still have older darts to replace?

They are in the process of receiving 61 Enviro 400's as part of the 2015 order, indeed the first 5 have been delivered already. 10 for the North East has been confirmed by our management :)

Thanks for info on that!

Just surprised given the number of darts/cadets there they're not replacing their own elderly vehicles with the displaced Pulsars.
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: tyresmoke on December 11, 2014, 07:13:00 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 11, 2014, 07:10:00 PM
Quote from: tyresmoke on December 11, 2014, 07:01:56 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 11, 2014, 06:28:17 PM
And 10 into the North East by the sounds of it, from Bootle.

Wonder what will be displacing them at Arriva North West as they still have older darts to replace?

They are in the process of receiving 61 Enviro 400's as part of the 2015 order, indeed the first 5 have been delivered already. 10 for the North East has been confirmed by our management :)

Thanks for info on that!

Just surprised given the number of darts/cadets there they're not replacing their own elderly vehicles with the displaced Pulsars.

I think even with 61 E400's in and 49 Pulsars out it would give scope for 12 Darts to go. I understand they are due further new vehicles later in 2015 too, but details haven't filtered out about them just yet.

The latest list I have confirmed is...
ADL Enviro 200 (6)
6 Wales (Wrexham) - services 3/4

ADL Enviro 400 (112?)
5 North East (Darlington.Durham) - SAPPHIRE 7
2 North East (Durham) - SAPPHIRE 6
16 North West (Bootle) - services 52/52A
11 North West (Green Lane) - service 10B
26 North West (St Helens) - services 10/10A
12? Shires (Aylesbury) - SAPPHIRE 280
8 Wales (Chester) - SAPPHIRE 10
16 Yorkshire (Belle Isle) - MAX 110
16 Yorkshire (Dewsbury) - MAX 202/203

Wright Streetlite DF (50)
25 Midlands (Telford)
6 North East (Durham) - SAPPHIRE 6
6 North West (Birkenhead) - service 487
13 Shires (Stevenage) - SAPPHIRE 100/101

Wright Streetlite WF (12)
6 S.Counties (Tunbridge Wells) - service 281
6 Wales (Rhyl) - services 35/36, 83/84 (rumoured)

Total order - 180(?)
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: Bob on December 11, 2014, 07:24:35 PM
Quote from: BN on December 11, 2014, 06:39:01 PM
Quote from: Ashley on December 11, 2014, 10:40:10 AM
Four for Wednesfield, this would release deckers somewhere in guessing. Four for Shrewsbury for the 164 id put money on it, 1 for Oswestry and four for leciester I think

Not quite. 4 for Wednesfield is correct, not the rest. Due mid Jan.

Any for stafford?
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: PM on December 11, 2014, 07:29:38 PM
Pretty impressive investment then!

Thanks for posting the details so far!

I think there's scope especially within the Midlands to try and standardize types through new investment and cascades.

I wonder if any further existing vehicles will get MAX/Sapphire refurbs.
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: Bob on December 11, 2014, 07:51:59 PM
Given that the 74/5 are easily one of if not the busiest cannock garage routes, id have thought theyd be a candidate for sapphire.  They could probably just refurb the deckers,  like in Leicester.  I can understand the 1 being treated to an upgrade but the 2/2A are really quiet routes...
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: Cheese on December 11, 2014, 09:05:25 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 11, 2014, 06:28:17 PM
And 10 into the North East by the sounds of it, from Bootle.

Wonder what will be displacing them at Arriva North West as they still have older darts to replace?

St Helens due new deckers in the near future for the 10, the first couple may have already arrived.  New management at ANW seem to be favouring deckers again for Liverpool, and with the loads they shift its about time.
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: Bob on December 12, 2014, 09:05:05 PM
Are the wednesfield pulsars for the 10?
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: Trident 4609 on December 12, 2014, 09:28:29 PM
Quote from: Bob on December 12, 2014, 09:05:05 PM
Are the wednesfield pulsars for the 10?

4A also
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: Ashley on December 12, 2014, 09:40:45 PM
The loadings on the 4A would suit a mini cooper , let alone an E200 but Pulsar 2's will still be the best buses in Wolverhampton apart from B6LE's
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: Bob on December 12, 2014, 09:47:10 PM
You rate b6s as good buses with pulsars second?  Where do  b7s/citaros/scanias feature then?
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: Ashley on December 13, 2014, 12:04:05 PM
Quote from: Bob on December 12, 2014, 09:47:10 PM
You rate b6s as good buses with pulsars second?  Where do  b7s/citaros/scanias feature then?
FG

Scanias only I they are L94UB's or L113CRL's. B7's only I theyre B7L's and Citaros dont come on my list
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: Bob on December 13, 2014, 12:11:40 PM
B6s are hardly hellfire they struggled to get up hills when they were new
Title: Re: Renumbering
Post by: John on December 18, 2014, 04:05:12 PM
Quote from: John on December 10, 2014, 06:53:47 PM
Quote from: Squirrel on December 10, 2014, 06:11:12 PM
Quote from: arrifirststage on December 10, 2014, 09:09:36 AM
I understand that the 38xx Scanias are being re numbered immediately into the 35xx block to make way for a batch of DAF pulsars from Arriva North West Green Lane Garage.

Which Scanias and Pulsars for what depots?

I guess the OmniLinks 3800-12 and the 3 ex-Centrebus Wright Solars 3813-5

Yes, the Tamworth OmniLinks are now indeed 35**