What can bus drivers do about people smoking on buses?
Tell them to stop, tell them to get off, do nothing.
Or the fun one, throw a bucket of water on them (management wouldn't be a fan of that though)
Quote from: Andrew on August 07, 2014, 04:28:03 PM
Tell them to stop, tell them to get off, do nothing.
Or the fun one, throw a bucket of water on them (management wouldn't be a fan of that though)
None of those 4 are correct. The first two, because drivers are not supposed to leacve the cab to challenge people, and smoking 'normally' happens on the top deck of a double deckers
Quote from: Tony on August 07, 2014, 04:32:48 PM
Quote from: Andrew on August 07, 2014, 04:28:03 PM
Tell them to stop, tell them to get off, do nothing.
Or the fun one, throw a bucket of water on them (management wouldn't be a fan of that though)
None of those 4 are correct. The first two, because drivers are not supposed to leacve the cab to challenge people, and smoking 'normally' happens on the top deck of a double deckers
I know they're not supposed to get out of the cab but they sometimes do.
Isn't there a screen on the wayfarer for reporting anti social behaviour ?
Quote from: Andrew on August 07, 2014, 04:40:56 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 07, 2014, 04:32:48 PM
Quote from: Andrew on August 07, 2014, 04:28:03 PM
Tell them to stop, tell them to get off, do nothing.
Or the fun one, throw a bucket of water on them (management wouldn't be a fan of that though)
None of those 4 are correct. The first two, because drivers are not supposed to leacve the cab to challenge people, and smoking 'normally' happens on the top deck of a double deckers
I know they're not supposed to get out of the cab but they sometimes do.
Isn't there a screen on the wayfarer for reporting anti social behaviour ?
Yeah there is not sure what happens if pressed.
What year did NX or WMT/Wumpty ban smoking on buses, didnt it use to be upstairs only or at the back of single deckers when it was allowed?
Button on the wayfarer to report the smoking which is then collected to look for any particular hotspots. Apart from that, there is not much we can do unfortunately.
Quote from: Bob on August 07, 2014, 09:20:31 PM
What year did NX or WMT/Wumpty ban smoking on buses, didnt it use to be upstairs only or at the back of single deckers when it was allowed?
I think it was 1991.
Quote from: Gareth on August 07, 2014, 11:23:13 PM
Quote from: Bob on August 07, 2014, 09:20:31 PM
What year did NX or WMT/Wumpty ban smoking on buses, didnt it use to be upstairs only or at the back of single deckers when it was allowed?
I think it was 1991.
Remember being 1991 as new scania n113 bei g delivered to Birmingham Central
And 3201 painted allover advert for West Midlands Travel healthier way to travel.
What about vaping?
Quote from: Jon on August 09, 2014, 11:03:47 PM
What about vaping?
Officially it is also not allowed but it is obviously a lot harder to report unless you actually see someone doing it.
Quote from: YWDriver on August 07, 2014, 11:01:30 PM
Button on the wayfarer to report the smoking which is then collected to look for any particular hotspots. Apart from that, there is not much we can do unfortunately.
Incorrect..You can do something about it. It can be reported to safer travel by text, they gather information and theoretically then target specific areas. In order for something to be done people need to complain and report it (drivers and passengers), problem is most 'can't be bothered' Pressing buttons on the wayfarer does absolutely nothing! its unacceptable in this day and age that passengers have to put up with other peoples smoking especially children and the elderly and as for the 'that's how it is attitude' don't start me.... >:( >:( >:(
This may be oversimplifying it but could smoke alarms not be fitted towards the back of the upper saloons? Could send an automatic alert if triggered and if clearly signed would surely act as a deterrent.
What annoys me is when people get on the bus for all of 5/10 minutes and smoke on the bus. Why not wait till your off?!
It's even worse when it's drugs. I avoid the top deck now because of the 'chavs' that decide it is perfectly ok.
I particularly hate it when these "big boys" decide to smoke weed, the smell is just vile. The smell would take over the upper deck but not sure sbout the lower deck because I usually sit upstairs at the front. They should not even smoke on the buses anyway! 😒
Quote from: 4006 on August 10, 2014, 10:32:35 AM
Quote from: YWDriver on August 07, 2014, 11:01:30 PM
Button on the wayfarer to report the smoking which is then collected to look for any particular hotspots. Apart from that, there is not much we can do unfortunately.
Incorrect..You can do something about it. It can be reported to safer travel by text, they gather information and theoretically then target specific areas. In order for something to be done people need to complain and report it (drivers and passengers), problem is most 'can't be bothered' Pressing buttons on the wayfarer does absolutely nothing! its unacceptable in this day and age that passengers have to put up with other peoples smoking especially children and the elderly and as for the 'that's how it is attitude' don't start me.... >:( >:( >:(
I completely agree with you. The button on the wayfarer is basically doing the same function as the safer travel text number in that it is passing along the information to the company which is then in turn passed on to the safer travel team.
If the smoker is at the back of the top deck (which they almost certainly will be), then without getting out of the cab to challenge them (which we shouldn't do) or turning the engine off and disrupting the service, the driver themselves cannot do anything which is what I meant by saying we cannot do much about it.
When I was on the 11A to harbourne there was two people on the back seat smoking weed
I know it's slightly off topic but there was a chav with no tshirt got on the bus. Is this allowed as when you go abroad on buses they even make you wear a tshirt, and it is a lot hotter abroad compared to here
Quote from: P419 EJW on August 10, 2014, 02:42:51 PM
I particularly hate it when these "big boys" decide to smoke weed, the smell is just vile. The smell would take over the upper deck but not sure sbout the lower deck because I usually sit upstairs at the front. They should not even smoke on the buses anyway! 😒
Ha. I used to see this regularly. They clearly go to the gym and are muscular and probably fit [No homo] and yet fill themselves with booze, fags and weed. Seems legit.
One thing I hate is people who munch their way through several packets of pungent smelling snacks like quavers for example (esp), on a single decker bus... can the driver leave his cab and tell some rough neck to stop eating chips for example?.I can't see it happening :) personally, I would prefer the smell of chips to the smell of F''n cheesy wotsits ect and a few others! The annoying thing is... They sell the B'ds from the mobile trolley on the train and there's nothing you can do about it >:( >:(
Quote from: windy miller on September 24, 2014, 10:14:56 PM
One thing I hate is people who munch their way through several packets of pungent smelling snacks like quavers for example (esp), on a single decker bus... can the driver leave his cab and tell some rough neck to stop eating chips for example?.I can't see it happening :) personally, I would prefer the smell of chips to the smell of F''n cheesy wotsits ect and a few others! The annoying thing is... They sell the B'ds from the mobile trolley on the train and there's nothing you can do about it >:( >:(
I'd have cheesy wotsits any day compared the smell the gentlemen on my bus was giving off the other day..the smell combination was of old women's underwear rotting manure and mature shoe insoles....it was overpoweringly earthy to say the least :o
Could I just ask a question - what about drinking alcohol on the buses?
Somehow over the past few weeks, I've travelled on different routes, around 5 - 6pm I see some working and some non-working men tend to sneak in the alcohol, sit at the back and drink. This has been an increase, almost every day.
Like yesterday, I was on 1479 on 4H, there were two seperate occasions that a man drank the can of alcohol.
My pet peeve is when they finish their can, they just put it on the floor and get off the bus... The bus is not a bin!
Should this not be allowed? What happens to these people if they get caught by CCTV or they just get away with it? How does this work catching people drinking / smoking on the buses?
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 25, 2014, 01:37:56 PM
Could I just ask a question - what about drinking alcohol on the buses?
Somehow over the past few weeks, I've travelled on different routes, around 5 - 6pm I see some working and some non-working men tend to sneak in the alcohol, sit at the back and drink. This has been an increase, almost every day.
Like yesterday, I was on 1479 on 4H, there were two seperate occasions that a man drank the can of alcohol.
My pet peeve is when they finish their can, they just put it on the floor and get off the bus... The bus is not a bin!
Should this not be allowed? What happens to these people if they get caught by CCTV or they just get away with it? How does this work catching people drinking / smoking on the buses?
From http://nxbus.co.uk/files/legal/CONDITIONS_OF_CARRIAGE_June2014.pdf
Quote6.10 Customers should not smoke on any part of the
vehicle. You may be prosecuted for
doing so and will face a fine of up to £1,000.
6.11 Customers should not consume any food or drink
on the vehicle and should dispose of any
chewing gum outside of the vehicle.
6.12 Customers are requested to discard all litter
in the bins or remove it from the vehicle.
Consumption of food and drink is not allowed, but you won't be prosecuted for it.
Personally I don't have a problem with people eating or drinking on the bus, as long as they take their rubbish with them. And if they're drinking alcohol, obviously they shouldn't be drunk already! I do have a problem with people leaving empty glass bottles to roll around everywhere, especially upstairs, where they could roll down the stairs and smash.
At the end of the day, its a bus, not a cafeteria or canteen. I dread to think what these people are like at home; would they like it if I left chicken bones and empty beer cans and bottles on their sofa or floor?
Quote from: Stu on September 25, 2014, 07:01:53 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 25, 2014, 01:37:56 PM
Could I just ask a question - what about drinking alcohol on the buses?
Somehow over the past few weeks, I've travelled on different routes, around 5 - 6pm I see some working and some non-working men tend to sneak in the alcohol, sit at the back and drink. This has been an increase, almost every day.
Like yesterday, I was on 1479 on 4H, there were two seperate occasions that a man drank the can of alcohol.
My pet peeve is when they finish their can, they just put it on the floor and get off the bus... The bus is not a bin!
Should this not be allowed? What happens to these people if they get caught by CCTV or they just get away with it? How does this work catching people drinking / smoking on the buses?
From http://nxbus.co.uk/files/legal/CONDITIONS_OF_CARRIAGE_June2014.pdf
Quote6.10 Customers should not smoke on any part of the
vehicle. You may be prosecuted for
doing so and will face a fine of up to £1,000.
6.11 Customers should not consume any food or drink
on the vehicle and should dispose of any
chewing gum outside of the vehicle.
6.12 Customers are requested to discard all litter
in the bins or remove it from the vehicle.
Consumption of food and drink is not allowed, but you won't be prosecuted for it.
Personally I don't have a problem with people eating or drinking on the bus, as long as they take their rubbish with them. And if they're drinking alcohol, obviously they shouldn't be drunk already! I do have a problem with people leaving empty glass bottles to roll around everywhere, especially upstairs, where they could roll down the stairs and smash.
At the end of the day, its a bus, not a cafeteria or canteen. I dread to think what these people are like at home; would they like it if I left chicken bones and empty beer cans and bottles on their sofa or floor?
I don't know how they can say that really, what if you need to eat or drink for medical purposes, eg: a diabetic who feels a hypo coming on may need to eat or drink something to correct it.
As long as they take any rubbish with them (and don't make a mess), I don't see it being a major issue.
If the T&Cs mentioned people risking prosecution for eating/drinking, it would be a different matter.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 25, 2014, 07:05:10 PM
Quote from: Stu on September 25, 2014, 07:01:53 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 25, 2014, 01:37:56 PM
Could I just ask a question - what about drinking alcohol on the buses?
Somehow over the past few weeks, I've travelled on different routes, around 5 - 6pm I see some working and some non-working men tend to sneak in the alcohol, sit at the back and drink. This has been an increase, almost every day.
Like yesterday, I was on 1479 on 4H, there were two seperate occasions that a man drank the can of alcohol.
My pet peeve is when they finish their can, they just put it on the floor and get off the bus... The bus is not a bin!
Should this not be allowed? What happens to these people if they get caught by CCTV or they just get away with it? How does this work catching people drinking / smoking on the buses?
From http://nxbus.co.uk/files/legal/CONDITIONS_OF_CARRIAGE_June2014.pdf
Quote6.10 Customers should not smoke on any part of the
vehicle. You may be prosecuted for
doing so and will face a fine of up to £1,000.
6.11 Customers should not consume any food or drink
on the vehicle and should dispose of any
chewing gum outside of the vehicle.
6.12 Customers are requested to discard all litter
in the bins or remove it from the vehicle.
Consumption of food and drink is not allowed, but you won't be prosecuted for it.
Personally I don't have a problem with people eating or drinking on the bus, as long as they take their rubbish with them. And if they're drinking alcohol, obviously they shouldn't be drunk already! I do have a problem with people leaving empty glass bottles to roll around everywhere, especially upstairs, where they could roll down the stairs and smash.
At the end of the day, its a bus, not a cafeteria or canteen. I dread to think what these people are like at home; would they like it if I left chicken bones and empty beer cans and bottles on their sofa or floor?
I don't know how they can say that really, what if you need to eat or drink for medical purposes, eg: a diabetic who feels a hypo coming on may need to eat or drink something to correct it.
Thank you, Stu for answering my question.
Stuharris 6360 - Well... Diabetes, that I can understand but I'm sure they would drink something that isn't alcoholic?
Unfortunately, not everyone takes their shit before getting off the bus. They make a mess on the buses. Food wrappers, leftovers, cans, plastic bottles, the list goes on.
What if someone is pissed after drinking a couple and might cause trouble? That might be 5% chance happening but yeah. It can be unexpectedly dangerous.
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On the topic of smoking, what about the e-cigarettes? Are they allowed or are they being classified as smoking?
I'm sure I've seen something somewhere stating that use of e-cigarettes is not permitted, though it is not specifically mentioned in the T&Cs.
On one occasion a few months ago I was on the 80 and there were two youngish men smoking upstairs. I was sat upstairs above the driver and the bus was up by Ladywood Fire Station, the engine switched off, there was two loud thuds underneath my feet and the driver shouted from the cab stop smoking now or get off the bus. They did stop!!
Quote from: Stu on September 25, 2014, 07:01:53 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 25, 2014, 01:37:56 PM
Could I just ask a question - what about drinking alcohol on the buses?
Somehow over the past few weeks, I've travelled on different routes, around 5 - 6pm I see some working and some non-working men tend to sneak in the alcohol, sit at the back and drink. This has been an increase, almost every day.
Like yesterday, I was on 1479 on 4H, there were two seperate occasions that a man drank the can of alcohol.
My pet peeve is when they finish their can, they just put it on the floor and get off the bus... The bus is not a bin!
Should this not be allowed? What happens to these people if they get caught by CCTV or they just get away with it? How does this work catching people drinking / smoking on the buses?
From http://nxbus.co.uk/files/legal/CONDITIONS_OF_CARRIAGE_June2014.pdf
Quote6.10 Customers should not smoke on any part of the
vehicle. You may be prosecuted for
doing so and will face a fine of up to £1,000.
6.11 Customers should not consume any food or drink
on the vehicle and should dispose of any
chewing gum outside of the vehicle.
6.12 Customers are requested to discard all litter
in the bins or remove it from the vehicle.
Consumption of food and drink is not allowed, but you won't be prosecuted for it.
Personally I don't have a problem with people eating or drinking on the bus, as long as they take their rubbish with them. And if they're drinking alcohol, obviously they shouldn't be drunk already! I do have a problem with people leaving empty glass bottles to roll around everywhere, especially upstairs, where they could roll down the stairs and smash.
At the end of the day, its a bus, not a cafeteria or canteen. I dread to think what these people are like at home; would they like it if I left chicken bones and empty beer cans and bottles on their sofa or floor?
They do not have sofa's thats why they leave the rubbish on the floor ;D ;D ;D
As for alcohol consumption what an absolute load of balls...what is the difference between drinking a can of coke or a can of Tennents (as long as you're not drunk and disorderly as previously stated) in any case people come on the bus boozed up 3 sheets to the wind and drugged to the eyeballs but not with a needle stuck in their arm or an opened beer in their possession. Drinking a can of beer does not effect anyones health smoking however does!
One more point on the diabetic food eating issue and excuse my ignorance if I am wrong but diabetics do not need a full size meal £10 worth of Dixy Chicken or 3 hamburgers fries and a large strawberry milk shake during the course of a 20 min bus ride...Usually a biscuit or small chocolate bar is sufficient (in an emergency)
Quote from: 4006 on September 26, 2014, 12:50:05 AM
Quote from: Stu on September 25, 2014, 07:01:53 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 25, 2014, 01:37:56 PM
Could I just ask a question - what about drinking alcohol on the buses?
Somehow over the past few weeks, I've travelled on different routes, around 5 - 6pm I see some working and some non-working men tend to sneak in the alcohol, sit at the back and drink. This has been an increase, almost every day.
Like yesterday, I was on 1479 on 4H, there were two seperate occasions that a man drank the can of alcohol.
My pet peeve is when they finish their can, they just put it on the floor and get off the bus... The bus is not a bin!
Should this not be allowed? What happens to these people if they get caught by CCTV or they just get away with it? How does this work catching people drinking / smoking on the buses?
From http://nxbus.co.uk/files/legal/CONDITIONS_OF_CARRIAGE_June2014.pdf
Quote6.10 Customers should not smoke on any part of the
vehicle. You may be prosecuted for
doing so and will face a fine of up to £1,000.
6.11 Customers should not consume any food or drink
on the vehicle and should dispose of any
chewing gum outside of the vehicle.
6.12 Customers are requested to discard all litter
in the bins or remove it from the vehicle.
Consumption of food and drink is not allowed, but you won't be prosecuted for it.
Personally I don't have a problem with people eating or drinking on the bus, as long as they take their rubbish with them. And if they're drinking alcohol, obviously they shouldn't be drunk already! I do have a problem with people leaving empty glass bottles to roll around everywhere, especially upstairs, where they could roll down the stairs and smash.
At the end of the day, its a bus, not a cafeteria or canteen. I dread to think what these people are like at home; would they like it if I left chicken bones and empty beer cans and bottles on their sofa or floor?
They do not have sofa's thats why they leave the rubbish on the floor ;D ;D ;D
As for alcohol consumption what an absolute load of balls...what is the difference between drinking a can of coke or a can of Tennents (as long as you're not drunk and disorderly as previously stated) in any case people come on the bus boozed up 3 sheets to the wind and drugged to the eyeballs but not with a needle stuck in their arm or an opened beer in their possession. Drinking a can of beer does not affect anyone's health smoking however does!
One more point on the diabetic food eating issue and excuse my ignorance if I am wrong but diabetics do not need a full size meal £10 worth of Dixy Chicken or 3 hamburgers fries and a large strawberry milk shake during the course of a 20 min bus ride...Usually a biscuit or small chocolate bar is sufficient (in an emergency)
You never know what the person will do next with the alcohol... Might be a bullshit about the difference, but once the alcohol can gets open, whew, you could smell it - you'd be sitting near the person, of course. But my point is that why people drink alcohol on buses? I don't care if it's a pop or water, but alcohol - I do get curious what would happen next.
People sneak alcohol cans in their coats/pockets while boarding on the bus, sits at the back, they start drinking it. I don't quite understand why people drink alcohol on the buses, it's not the correct setting. Pubs, nightclubs, and home would be the place to drink, but not on the buses - they are a public transport.
Exactly, that is a very good point you have made there about diabetes and food people eat on the buses. I have a friend who is diabetic and she must eat something every 4 hours to stabilise her sugar level, etc. It is always a small food. So, "Well, what about diabetic people? They could need something to eat or drink." Sorry, love, that's a load of crap. It is usually teenagers that eats these kind of food.
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 26, 2014, 11:19:58 AM
Quote from: 4006 on September 26, 2014, 12:50:05 AM
Quote from: Stu on September 25, 2014, 07:01:53 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 25, 2014, 01:37:56 PM
Could I just ask a question - what about drinking alcohol on the buses?
Somehow over the past few weeks, I've travelled on different routes, around 5 - 6pm I see some working and some non-working men tend to sneak in the alcohol, sit at the back and drink. This has been an increase, almost every day.
Like yesterday, I was on 1479 on 4H, there were two seperate occasions that a man drank the can of alcohol.
My pet peeve is when they finish their can, they just put it on the floor and get off the bus... The bus is not a bin!
Should this not be allowed? What happens to these people if they get caught by CCTV or they just get away with it? How does this work catching people drinking / smoking on the buses?
From http://nxbus.co.uk/files/legal/CONDITIONS_OF_CARRIAGE_June2014.pdf
Quote6.10 Customers should not smoke on any part of the
vehicle. You may be prosecuted for
doing so and will face a fine of up to £1,000.
6.11 Customers should not consume any food or drink
on the vehicle and should dispose of any
chewing gum outside of the vehicle.
6.12 Customers are requested to discard all litter
in the bins or remove it from the vehicle.
Consumption of food and drink is not allowed, but you won't be prosecuted for it.
Personally I don't have a problem with people eating or drinking on the bus, as long as they take their rubbish with them. And if they're drinking alcohol, obviously they shouldn't be drunk already! I do have a problem with people leaving empty glass bottles to roll around everywhere, especially upstairs, where they could roll down the stairs and smash.
At the end of the day, its a bus, not a cafeteria or canteen. I dread to think what these people are like at home; would they like it if I left chicken bones and empty beer cans and bottles on their sofa or floor?
They do not have sofa's thats why they leave the rubbish on the floor ;D ;D ;D
As for alcohol consumption what an absolute load of balls...what is the difference between drinking a can of coke or a can of Tennents (as long as you're not drunk and disorderly as previously stated) in any case people come on the bus boozed up 3 sheets to the wind and drugged to the eyeballs but not with a needle stuck in their arm or an opened beer in their possession. Drinking a can of beer does not affect anyone's health smoking however does!
One more point on the diabetic food eating issue and excuse my ignorance if I am wrong but diabetics do not need a full size meal £10 worth of Dixy Chicken or 3 hamburgers fries and a large strawberry milk shake during the course of a 20 min bus ride...Usually a biscuit or small chocolate bar is sufficient (in an emergency)
You never know what the person will do next with the alcohol... Might be a bullshit about the difference, but once the alcohol can gets open, whew, you could smell it - you'd be sitting near the person, of course. But my point is that why people drink alcohol on buses? I don't care if it's a pop or water, but alcohol - I do get curious what would happen next.
People sneak alcohol cans in their coats/pockets while boarding on the bus, sits at the back, they start drinking it. I don't quite understand why people drink alcohol on the buses, it's not the correct setting. Pubs, nightclubs, and home would be the place to drink, but not on the buses - they are a public transport.
Exactly, that is a very good point you have made there about diabetes and food people eat on the buses. I have a friend who is diabetic and she must eat something every 4 hours to stabilise her sugar level, etc. It is always a small food. So, "Well, what about diabetic people? They could need something to eat or drink." Sorry, love, that's a load of crap. It is usually teenagers that eats these kind of food.
Trains are public transport and people drink on them, in fact, staff even serve it. I think providing the person isn't acting silly or abusive then most passengers aren't to concerned
Quote from: Lukeee on September 26, 2014, 10:27:34 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 26, 2014, 11:19:58 AM
Quote from: 4006 on September 26, 2014, 12:50:05 AM
Quote from: Stu on September 25, 2014, 07:01:53 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 25, 2014, 01:37:56 PM
Could I just ask a question - what about drinking alcohol on the buses?
Somehow over the past few weeks, I've travelled on different routes, around 5 - 6pm I see some working and some non-working men tend to sneak in the alcohol, sit at the back and drink. This has been an increase, almost every day.
Like yesterday, I was on 1479 on 4H, there were two seperate occasions that a man drank the can of alcohol.
My pet peeve is when they finish their can, they just put it on the floor and get off the bus... The bus is not a bin!
Should this not be allowed? What happens to these people if they get caught by CCTV or they just get away with it? How does this work catching people drinking / smoking on the buses?
From http://nxbus.co.uk/files/legal/CONDITIONS_OF_CARRIAGE_June2014.pdf
Quote6.10 Customers should not smoke on any part of the
vehicle. You may be prosecuted for
doing so and will face a fine of up to £1,000.
6.11 Customers should not consume any food or drink
on the vehicle and should dispose of any
chewing gum outside of the vehicle.
6.12 Customers are requested to discard all litter
in the bins or remove it from the vehicle.
Consumption of food and drink is not allowed, but you won't be prosecuted for it.
Personally I don't have a problem with people eating or drinking on the bus, as long as they take their rubbish with them. And if they're drinking alcohol, obviously they shouldn't be drunk already! I do have a problem with people leaving empty glass bottles to roll around everywhere, especially upstairs, where they could roll down the stairs and smash.
At the end of the day, its a bus, not a cafeteria or canteen. I dread to think what these people are like at home; would they like it if I left chicken bones and empty beer cans and bottles on their sofa or floor?
They do not have sofa's thats why they leave the rubbish on the floor ;D ;D ;D
As for alcohol consumption what an absolute load of balls...what is the difference between drinking a can of coke or a can of Tennents (as long as you're not drunk and disorderly as previously stated) in any case people come on the bus boozed up 3 sheets to the wind and drugged to the eyeballs but not with a needle stuck in their arm or an opened beer in their possession. Drinking a can of beer does not affect anyone's health smoking however does!
One more point on the diabetic food eating issue and excuse my ignorance if I am wrong but diabetics do not need a full size meal £10 worth of Dixy Chicken or 3 hamburgers fries and a large strawberry milk shake during the course of a 20 min bus ride...Usually a biscuit or small chocolate bar is sufficient (in an emergency)
You never know what the person will do next with the alcohol... Might be a bullshit about the difference, but once the alcohol can gets open, whew, you could smell it - you'd be sitting near the person, of course. But my point is that why people drink alcohol on buses? I don't care if it's a pop or water, but alcohol - I do get curious what would happen next.
People sneak alcohol cans in their coats/pockets while boarding on the bus, sits at the back, they start drinking it. I don't quite understand why people drink alcohol on the buses, it's not the correct setting. Pubs, nightclubs, and home would be the place to drink, but not on the buses - they are a public transport.
Exactly, that is a very good point you have made there about diabetes and food people eat on the buses. I have a friend who is diabetic and she must eat something every 4 hours to stabilise her sugar level, etc. It is always a small food. So, "Well, what about diabetic people? They could need something to eat or drink." Sorry, love, that's a load of crap. It is usually teenagers that eats these kind of food.
Trains are public transport and people drink on them, in fact, staff even serve it. I think providing the person isn't acting silly or abusive then most passengers aren't to concerned
I get your point but I am not talking about trains. I'm talking about buses. Glad that's clarified.
And there's a very big difference between someone relaxing with a can of beer or a glass of wine on a 3 hour train journey, to someone necking a can of special brew on a 15 minute bus ride from Kings Heath to Druids Heath.
Your average bus journey is short, maybe 20 mins, half an hour? I enjoy a drink but (in the right environment) but if you can't go that long without a beer or a fag you've got serious problems, don't give a shit about your fellow passengers, or both.
Quote from: Mike K on September 27, 2014, 10:45:43 AM
And there's a very big difference between someone relaxing with a can of beer or a glass of wine on a 3 hour train journey, to someone necking a can of special brew on a 15 minute bus ride from Kings Heath to Druids Heath.
Your average bus journey is short, maybe 20 mins, half an hour? I enjoy a drink but (in the right environment) but if you can't go that long without a beer or a fag you've got serious problems, don't give a shit about your fellow passengers, or both.
I don't give a shit about fellow passengers. Hahahaha now breathe my fag breath!
My feelings are that the consumption of alcohol on buses should be specifically banned, with offenders liable for prosecution. There is a big difference between sipping a bottle of water on a very hot day (we've all done it to keep hydrated) and someone drinking Special Brew, dumping their discarded can on the bus and then kicking off. And it would be amusing to see Safer Travel chucking one or two numpties off the bus and pouring their cans down the nearest drain :D
Boris has banned the consumption of alcohol on TfL services, so the law for the rest of the UK should be amended and it made clear that it is unacceptable behaviour.
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on September 27, 2014, 11:06:11 PM
My feelings are that the consumption of alcohol on buses should be specifically banned, with offenders liable for prosecution. There is a big difference between sipping a bottle of water on a very hot day (we've all done it to keep hydrated) and someone drinking Special Brew, dumping their discarded can on the bus and then kicking off. And it would be amusing to see Safer Travel chucking one or two numpties off the bus and pouring their cans down the nearest drain :D
Boris has banned the consumption of alcohol on TfL services, so the law for the rest of the UK should be amended and it made clear that it is unacceptable behaviour.
And breach civil liberties on the coaches (or will they gain an exemption) whilst you're at it? If what you proposed was from an MP, I am sure that you would be voted out at the next election.
Quote from: Mike K on September 27, 2014, 10:45:43 AM
And there's a very big difference between someone relaxing with a can of beer or a glass of wine on a 3 hour train journey, to someone necking a can of special brew on a 15 minute bus ride from Kings Heath to Druids Heath.
Your average bus journey is short, maybe 20 mins, half an hour? I enjoy a drink but (in the right environment) but if you can't go that long without a beer or a fag you've got serious problems, don't give a shit about your fellow passengers, or both.
What about coach journeys? Or do they not count?
It sounds like something that the Labour Party would do.
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 27, 2014, 11:54:20 PM
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on September 27, 2014, 11:06:11 PM
My feelings are that the consumption of alcohol on buses should be specifically banned, with offenders liable for prosecution. There is a big difference between sipping a bottle of water on a very hot day (we've all done it to keep hydrated) and someone drinking Special Brew, dumping their discarded can on the bus and then kicking off. And it would be amusing to see Safer Travel chucking one or two numpties off the bus and pouring their cans down the nearest drain :D
Boris has banned the consumption of alcohol on TfL services, so the law for the rest of the UK should be amended and it made clear that it is unacceptable behaviour.
And breach civil liberties on the coaches (or will they gain an exemption) whilst you're at it? If what you proposed was from an MP, I am sure that you would be voted out at the next election.
Quote from: Mike K on September 27, 2014, 10:45:43 AM
And there's a very big difference between someone relaxing with a can of beer or a glass of wine on a 3 hour train journey, to someone necking a can of special brew on a 15 minute bus ride from Kings Heath to Druids Heath.
Your average bus journey is short, maybe 20 mins, half an hour? I enjoy a drink but (in the right environment) but if you can't go that long without a beer or a fag you've got serious problems, don't give a shit about your fellow passengers, or both.
What about coach journeys? Or do they not count?
It sounds like something that the Labour Party would do.
I never mentioned coach journeys, and I'm not debating the whole concept of what should and shouldn't be allowed on whatever mode of transport. I merely stated that if you are unable to make a 20 minute bus journey without resorting to alcohol or tobacco you're an idiot.
Longer journeys by train, coach, whatever, where you can be travelling for hours and alcohol is sold for consumption, that's a different matter.
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 27, 2014, 11:54:20 PM
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on September 27, 2014, 11:06:11 PM
My feelings are that the consumption of alcohol on buses should be specifically banned, with offenders liable for prosecution. There is a big difference between sipping a bottle of water on a very hot day (we've all done it to keep hydrated) and someone drinking Special Brew, dumping their discarded can on the bus and then kicking off. And it would be amusing to see Safer Travel chucking one or two numpties off the bus and pouring their cans down the nearest drain :D
Boris has banned the consumption of alcohol on TfL services, so the law for the rest of the UK should be amended and it made clear that it is unacceptable behaviour.
And breach civil liberties on the coaches (or will they gain an exemption) whilst you're at it? If what you proposed was from an MP, I am sure that you would be voted out at the next election.
Quote from: Mike K on September 27, 2014, 10:45:43 AM
And there's a very big difference between someone relaxing with a can of beer or a glass of wine on a 3 hour train journey, to someone necking a can of special brew on a 15 minute bus ride from Kings Heath to Druids Heath.
Your average bus journey is short, maybe 20 mins, half an hour? I enjoy a drink but (in the right environment) but if you can't go that long without a beer or a fag you've got serious problems, don't give a shit about your fellow passengers, or both.
What about coach journeys? Or do they not count?
It sounds like something that the Labour Party would do.
It is already illegal to drink alcohol on a coach going to a sporting events and has been for many years, and it is not unusual for the police to stop coaches going to Wembley at Staples corner and check and remove people who have open alcohol
I used to eat and drink in the cab and on the bus all the time. Its one of those rules which no one ever followed. Nobody does even today I've noticed. Who the hell cares? There should be time and money spent on eliminating smoking, eating and drinking isn't anything.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 29, 2014, 07:40:49 PM
I used to eat and drink in the cab and on the bus all the time. Its one of those rules which no one ever followed. Nobody does even today I've noticed. Who the hell cares? There should be time and money spent on eliminating smoking, eating and drinking isn't anything.
yes but i take it the bus was stopped at the time LS?
Had cause to complain about an NE coach driver a couple of years ago who drunk and ate during the whole of my journey (including on the M1) from London Victoria to Birmingham, when we got to Birmingham the relief driver wouldn't take over until he cleaned up the cab space. Also told him off for allowing a young child to sit in the front seat.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 29, 2014, 07:56:58 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 29, 2014, 07:40:49 PM
I used to eat and drink in the cab and on the bus all the time. Its one of those rules which no one ever followed. Nobody does even today I've noticed. Who the hell cares? There should be time and money spent on eliminating smoking, eating and drinking isn't anything.
yes but i take it the bus was stopped at the time LS?
Had cause to complain about an NE coach driver a couple of years ago who drunk and ate during the whole of my journey (including on the M1) from London Victoria to Birmingham, when we got to Birmingham the relief driver wouldn't take over until he cleaned up the cab space. Also told him off for allowing a young child to sit in the front seat.
Well what that coach driver did was taking the piss. The vehicle was always stationary when I took a bite or swig, be it at traffic lights or bus stops, either way. This is going back a year or two from what I recall.
Did you complain? I often find a word with the offending driver in person is better then going through the rigmarole of management etc. Often ends in a handshake or thumbs up!
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 29, 2014, 10:55:42 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 29, 2014, 07:56:58 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 29, 2014, 07:40:49 PM
I used to eat and drink in the cab and on the bus all the time. Its one of those rules which no one ever followed. Nobody does even today I've noticed. Who the hell cares? There should be time and money spent on eliminating smoking, eating and drinking isn't anything.
yes but i take it the bus was stopped at the time LS?
Had cause to complain about an NE coach driver a couple of years ago who drunk and ate during the whole of my journey (including on the M1) from London Victoria to Birmingham, when we got to Birmingham the relief driver wouldn't take over until he cleaned up the cab space. Also told him off for allowing a young child to sit in the front seat.
Well what that coach driver did was taking the piss. The vehicle was always stationary when I took a bite or swig, be it at traffic lights or bus stops, either way. This is going back a year or two from what I recall.
Did you complain? I often find a word with the offending driver in person is better then going through the rigmarole of management etc. Often ends in a handshake or thumbs up!
i did complain because i thought what he did was to serious for just a word in his ear. this was eating and drinking at high speed on the M1 in the rain. Never seen him since so who knows?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 29, 2014, 11:19:36 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 29, 2014, 10:55:42 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 29, 2014, 07:56:58 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 29, 2014, 07:40:49 PM
I used to eat and drink in the cab and on the bus all the time. Its one of those rules which no one ever followed. Nobody does even today I've noticed. Who the hell cares? There should be time and money spent on eliminating smoking, eating and drinking isn't anything.
yes but i take it the bus was stopped at the time LS?
Had cause to complain about an NE coach driver a couple of years ago who drunk and ate during the whole of my journey (including on the M1) from London Victoria to Birmingham, when we got to Birmingham the relief driver wouldn't take over until he cleaned up the cab space. Also told him off for allowing a young child to sit in the front seat.
Well what that coach driver did was taking the piss. The vehicle was always stationary when I took a bite or swig, be it at traffic lights or bus stops, either way. This is going back a year or two from what I recall.
Did you complain? I often find a word with the offending driver in person is better then going through the rigmarole of management etc. Often ends in a handshake or thumbs up!
i did complain because i thought what he did was to serious for just a word in his ear. this was eating and drinking at high speed on the M1 in the rain. Never seen him since so who knows?
Oh, sorry, I misread your initial post.
Heh, we used to do this all the time though. How times change.
Probably another person on the dole no doubt or working for a less reputable company.