Just a couple of questions about these routes?
Could anybody give me the history of the 109/138/139 eg Lines of route,vehicle allocations etc.
Also did the old 99 use Manor Lane/Way or Mucklow Hill?
And finally if anyone can tell me, I remember the 525 going to Dudley in the early/mid 2000's but can't remember the exact line of route it did from Bilston-Dudley (I remember it went up Oxford St then Loxdale St)
Cheers :)
99 used Manor Way, I remember seeing the Enviros on there when they were brand new... those were the days...
Quote from: Nathan on June 29, 2014, 10:52:05 PM
Just a couple of questions about these routes?
Could anybody give me the history of the 109/138/139 eg Lines of route,vehicle allocations etc.
Also did the old 99 use Manor Lane/Way or Mucklow Hill?
And finally if anyone can tell me, I remember the 525 going to Dudley in the early/mid 2000's but can't remember the exact line of route it did from Bilston-Dudley (I remember it went up Oxford St then Loxdale St)
Cheers :)
The 525 was replaced IIRC by the 283/583/parts of the current 82.
From what I remember, 139 was Merry Hill to Birmingham, via the current 141 route (might be a few little changes i forgot)
138 was evening and weekend variant of 139, which went Colmore Row - Merry Hill - Russells Hall Hospital via High Oak.
138 Got scrapped when the 2008 changes happened I think?
Allocation was Presidents, then Tridents. Then the 139 became 99 with the branded e400's.
Line of routes for the 109, 138 and 139
138 - http://goo.gl/maps/6pwC2
139 - http://goo.gl/maps/sY9T0 (although at one stage PE Did a 139 trip as this route IIRC as follows - http://goo.gl/maps/1bgKL - but i need to check the route descriptions i have for the exact routing)
109 - http://goo.gl/maps/MbKW8
The 9, 109, 139,& 919 were all introduced in Feb 1998 along with purple Hagley Road branding on Volvo B10L's 1443-1467, supplemented by Scania L113/Wright 1398/99 all were allocated to BC.
Hourly 139E's went as far as Pensnett High Oak Mon-Sun Eves
See extract of original timetable for Route Description / route maps etc.
The Hagley Road corridor was later upgraded back to double deckers with new B7TL/Plaxton Presidents in the shape of 4023-4041 & 4108/9 Nov 1999.
If I remember correctly... This is like 10 years ago, so I would've been 12.
9, 109, 139 were originally allocated B10Ls, then when the Presidents/Spectras were introduced, these were the main allocation. A few years later, you had everything on these routes, Tridents, B7/ALXs, Spectras, Presidents, I remember the 109 running off peak, the 9 hasn't really changed that much, and has previously mentioned, the 141 is virtually the old 138.
The 139 was renumbered 99 to fit the numbering scheme (some numbering scheme, it went 9, 99, 138(?), 140(?)). I remember when the new Enviros were introduced, the 9 ran every 10 minutes (7/8 peaks), every 15 in the evening, the 99 was every 15, the 138 was half hourly evenings, every 20 on Sundays, and hourly Sunday evenings. Mon-Sat evening journeys went to Russell's Hall Hospital, the Sunday evenings went to High Oak, Pensnett. The Sunday daytime journeys only ran to Merry Hill.
Those days you had 6 buses (between the 9 and 138) an hour from Quinton Church to Birmingham.
The Enviros were completely new to me when they were introduced, I just thought they were fancy new crap, I rid my first ever Enviro on the 138 from Russell's Hall to Bearwood. I always thought the first Hagley Road branding was the best, but then the 99 was withdrawn and the branding went downhill from there, in my opinion
Vehicle allocation for 109, 138, 139 were B10Ls, as far as I can remember back in the days, they were Hagley Road branded 9/109/139/919. 1443 - 1467.
See pictures of branded B10Ls here (https://www.flickr.com/photos/59615439@N03/sets/72157632209950252/detail/).
1444, P144 KOF (https://www.flickr.com/photos/59615439@N03/8465523907).
1460, P460 JOX (https://www.flickr.com/photos/59615439@N03/8916505847).
Then a couple of years later, I remember there were Presidents serving 138 and 139. Tridents came, stopped 138. 139 continued for a bit more until it got changed to 99 operated by E400s. 99 changed 141 and operated by Pensnett, used to be a rare B6, Mercs, E400s.
138 used to go to Russells Hall Hospital from Birmingham.
For 525, from Bilston Bus Station: Oxford Street, Loxdale Street, Bank Street, Wilkinson Avenue, Rose Street, Brierley Lane, Harding Street, Gough Road, Tunnel Street, Castle Street, Vicarage Road, Birmingham New Road, Vicarage Road W, George Street, Sedgley Road W, Parkes Hall Road, Wrens Nest Road, Summer Road, Laurel Road, Limes Road, Priory Road, Fisher Street (Dudley Bus Station).
Quote from: bususer12 on June 29, 2014, 11:21:20 PM
From what I remember, 139 was Merry Hill to Birmingham, via the current 141 route (might be a few little changes i forgot)
138 was evening and weekend variant of 139, which went Colmore Row - Merry Hill - Russells Hall Hospital via High Oak.
138 Got scrapped when the 2008 changes happened I think?
Allocation was Presidents, then Tridents. Then the 139 became 99 with the branded e400's.
Original allocation of the 109 and 139 was B10Ls 1443 to 1467, and Scanias 1398/99, all of which were branded for the Hagley Road group of services 9, 109, 139 and 919. When these were replaced by Presidents, only 4035 to 4041 carried the purple Hagley Road branding.
@Winston IIRC the 139 also was on the TMH 236/237 timetable when they ran to Bearwood. That also shows the PE trip on the 139
Quote from: P419 EJW on June 29, 2014, 11:45:38 PM
Vehicle allocation for 109, 138, 139 were B10Ls, as far as I can remember back in the days, they were Hagley Road branded 9/109/139/919. 1443 - 1467.
See pictures of branded B10Ls here (https://www.flickr.com/photos/59615439@N03/sets/72157632209950252/detail/).
1444, P144 KOF (https://www.flickr.com/photos/59615439@N03/8465523907).
1460, P460 JOX (https://www.flickr.com/photos/59615439@N03/8916505847).
Then a couple of years later, I remember there were Presidents serving 138 and 139. Tridents came, stopped 138. 139 continued for a bit more until it got changed to 99 operated by E400s. 99 changed 141 and operated by Pensnett, used to be a rare B6, Mercs, E400s.
138 used to go to Russells Hall Hospital from Birmingham.
For 525, from Bilston Bus Station: Oxford Street, Loxdale Street, Bank Street, Wilkinson Avenue, Rose Street, Brierley Lane, Harding Street, Gough Road, Tunnel Street, Castle Street, Vicarage Road, Birmingham New Road, Vicarage Road W, George Street, Sedgley Road W, Parkes Hall Road, Wrens Nest Road, Summer Road, Laurel Road, Limes Road, Priory Road, Fisher Street (Dudley Bus Station).
@P419 EJW the 99, 138 got withdrawn at the same time ;) (all routes were operated by BC at this point). They were both replaced by the 141. The 141 was originally fully Enviro. Until it got transferred to PE, then it was fully Merc for a while, then leading up to Christmas, the same year, the 141 was allocated Enviros over the weekend, and it eventually became fully Enviro again, and it's been like that ever since, with the odd Trident and B7RLE
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 29, 2014, 11:55:13 PM
@Winston IIRC the 139 also was on the TMH 236/237 timetable when they ran to Bearwood. That also shows the PE trip on the 139
@the trainbasher I haven't got a timetable for TMH 236/237 only TWM 236/237 from 19th May 2002 which were Dudley - Halesowen via Gornal Wood, Merry Hill & Cradley Heath by then.
I do have a TMH 123 Merry Hill - Bearwood via Dudley Wood, Cradley, Blackheath, Hurst Green, Causeway Green & Warley though from 22nd March 1998
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 30, 2014, 12:03:36 AM
Quote from: P419 EJW on June 29, 2014, 11:45:38 PM
Vehicle allocation for 109, 138, 139 were B10Ls, as far as I can remember back in the days, they were Hagley Road branded 9/109/139/919. 1443 - 1467.
See pictures of branded B10Ls here (https://www.flickr.com/photos/59615439@N03/sets/72157632209950252/detail/).
1444, P144 KOF (https://www.flickr.com/photos/59615439@N03/8465523907).
1460, P460 JOX (https://www.flickr.com/photos/59615439@N03/8916505847).
Then a couple of years later, I remember there were Presidents serving 138 and 139. Tridents came, stopped 138. 139 continued for a bit more until it got changed to 99 operated by E400s. 99 changed 141 and operated by Pensnett, used to be a rare B6, Mercs, E400s.
138 used to go to Russells Hall Hospital from Birmingham.
For 525, from Bilston Bus Station: Oxford Street, Loxdale Street, Bank Street, Wilkinson Avenue, Rose Street, Brierley Lane, Harding Street, Gough Road, Tunnel Street, Castle Street, Vicarage Road, Birmingham New Road, Vicarage Road W, George Street, Sedgley Road W, Parkes Hall Road, Wrens Nest Road, Summer Road, Laurel Road, Limes Road, Priory Road, Fisher Street (Dudley Bus Station).
@P419 EJW the 99, 138 got withdrawn at the same time ;) (all routes were operated by BC at this point). They were both replaced by the 141. The 141 was originally fully Enviro. Until it got transferred to PE, then it was fully Merc for a while, then leading up to Christmas, the same year, the 141 was allocated Enviros over the weekend, and it eventually became fully Enviro again, and it's been like that ever since, with the odd Trident and B7RLE
@Sh4318 Ahh, thank you for the clarification. I wasn't sure about 138/139 when it changed to 99. Thought 138 stopped first. My bad. Glad it is only about 138/139. ;) I was half correct, I think. :P
Yeah, now you say about the Mercs being regular on 141 before Christmas, I remember that. Feels like it was years ago haha. I miss the old 258 - but that's totally a different topic. :)
Thanks again, Sh4318.
Quote from: P419 EJW on June 30, 2014, 12:14:49 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 30, 2014, 12:03:36 AM
Quote from: P419 EJW on June 29, 2014, 11:45:38 PM
Vehicle allocation for 109, 138, 139 were B10Ls, as far as I can remember back in the days, they were Hagley Road branded 9/109/139/919. 1443 - 1467.
See pictures of branded B10Ls here (https://www.flickr.com/photos/59615439@N03/sets/72157632209950252/detail/).
1444, P144 KOF (https://www.flickr.com/photos/59615439@N03/8465523907).
1460, P460 JOX (https://www.flickr.com/photos/59615439@N03/8916505847).
Then a couple of years later, I remember there were Presidents serving 138 and 139. Tridents came, stopped 138. 139 continued for a bit more until it got changed to 99 operated by E400s. 99 changed 141 and operated by Pensnett, used to be a rare B6, Mercs, E400s.
138 used to go to Russells Hall Hospital from Birmingham.
For 525, from Bilston Bus Station: Oxford Street, Loxdale Street, Bank Street, Wilkinson Avenue, Rose Street, Brierley Lane, Harding Street, Gough Road, Tunnel Street, Castle Street, Vicarage Road, Birmingham New Road, Vicarage Road W, George Street, Sedgley Road W, Parkes Hall Road, Wrens Nest Road, Summer Road, Laurel Road, Limes Road, Priory Road, Fisher Street (Dudley Bus Station).
@P419 EJW the 99, 138 got withdrawn at the same time ;) (all routes were operated by BC at this point). They were both replaced by the 141. The 141 was originally fully Enviro. Until it got transferred to PE, then it was fully Merc for a while, then leading up to Christmas, the same year, the 141 was allocated Enviros over the weekend, and it eventually became fully Enviro again, and it's been like that ever since, with the odd Trident and B7RLE
@Sh4318 Ahh, thank you for the clarification. I wasn't sure about 138/139 when it changed to 99. Thought 138 stopped first. My bad. Glad it is only about 138/139. ;) I was half correct, I think. :P
Yeah, now you say about the Mercs being regular on 141 before Christmas, I remember that. Feels like it was years ago haha. I miss the old 258 - but that's totally a different topic. :)
Thanks again, Sh4318.
@P419 EJW I miss the 258 too :(. But I think the Warley corridor has benefitted from it's withdrawal and other changes in the area.
@Winston I will have a look sometime tomorrow after work but i know that TMH did a B6 working on the 139 as shown here - https://www.flickr.com/photos/99593182@N08/9619214013/
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 30, 2014, 12:27:17 AM
@Winston I will have a look sometime tomorrow after work but i know that TMH did a B6 working on the 139 as shown here - https://www.flickr.com/photos/99593182@N08/9619214013/
@the trainbasher I wouldn't bother, I'll take your word for it, I can't remember.
Cheers everyone for the replies :) Very much appreciated
I bet those Spectra's struggled up Mucklow Hill?
Quote from: Winston on June 29, 2014, 11:39:55 PM
The 9, 109, 139,& 919 were all introduced in Feb 1998 along with purple Hagley Road branding on Volvo B10L's 1443-1467, supplemented by Scania L113/Wright 1398/99 all were allocated to BC.
Hourly 139E's went as far as Pensnett High Oak Mon-Sun Eves
See extract of original timetable for Route Description / route maps etc.
The Hagley Road corridor was later upgraded back to double deckers with new B7TL/Plaxton Presidents in the shape of 4023-4041 & 4108/9 Nov 1999.
Thanks for posting the timetable Winston, not seen that in a long time. They made a very professional job of "photoshopping" the list of places served onto that B10L.
Quote from: Mike K on June 30, 2014, 02:00:23 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 29, 2014, 11:39:55 PM
The 9, 109, 139,& 919 were all introduced in Feb 1998 along with purple Hagley Road branding on Volvo B10L's 1443-1467, supplemented by Scania L113/Wright 1398/99 all were allocated to BC.
Hourly 139E's went as far as Pensnett High Oak Mon-Sun Eves
See extract of original timetable for Route Description / route maps etc.
The Hagley Road corridor was later upgraded back to double deckers with new B7TL/Plaxton Presidents in the shape of 4023-4041 & 4108/9 Nov 1999.
Thanks for posting the timetable Winston, not seen that in a long time. They made a very professional job of "photoshopping" the list of places served onto that B10L.
No worries Mike K, I have a fair few from that era, generally for route branded routes
A little more background on the 99/109/138/139
There were introduced back in 1998 when the Hagley Road services were restructured. They replaced the 136/137/137A Birmingham - Gornal Wood services. Also the 619 and 919 were introduced to replace the 19 / 19S services.
The 139 ran every 20 minutes during the day, and served pretty much the same route the 141 does now except it ran via Mount Pleasant at Merry Hill.
The 109 ran every 20 minutes on daytimes only, and so combined with the 139 to have a bus every 10 minutes to Merry Hill. At the time, the 9 was running every 10 minutes and so there was a bus every 5 minutes between Birmingham & Halesowen.
The 5 minute frequency was maintained during peaks with the 919 since buses came off the 109 and went onto the 919 (which ran as the 9 to Halesowen, and then followed the Hasbury Loop). The Hasbury loop was served during the daytime by minibuses on the 619.
The 139E was the evening & sunday alternative which ran to Brierley Hill, Pensnett High Oak and Russells Hall Hospital. Some journeys terminated at Brierley Hill, but as was already said the majority of Mon-Sat evening journeys went to Russells Hall Hospital, and the sunday evenings went to Pensnett, with the daytime journeys remaining to Merry Hill.
After a couple of years the 109 was withdrawn, and the 139 was rerouted to serve Spies Lane & Lapal instead. I think the frequency may have been increased to every 12 minutes at this point. Once it was diverted away from Mucklows Hill, the 139E was renumbered to the 138.
At the same time the 919 was replaced with the 19 which would serve Mucklows Hill during the peak periods. The Hasbury loop was covered by an extension to the 241 at the time.
The next change would be the 139 being amended to service the five ways underpass in both directions, which is when the 139 was renumbered to the 99. The frequency was decreased at this point to every 20 minutes again.
And finally when the 141 replaced the 99, originally running through Blackheath combining with the 140, but then changing to as it is today with a 30 minute frequency.
Quote from: sonic84 on July 10, 2014, 09:00:20 PM
A little more background on the 99/109/138/139
There were introduced back in 1998 when the Hagley Road services were restructured. They replaced the 136/137/137A Birmingham - Gornal Wood services. Also the 619 and 919 were introduced to replace the 19 / 19S services.
The 139 ran every 20 minutes during the day, and served pretty much the same route the 141 does now except it ran via Mount Pleasant at Merry Hill.
The 109 ran every 20 minutes on daytimes only, and so combined with the 139 to have a bus every 10 minutes to Merry Hill. At the time, the 9 was running every 10 minutes and so there was a bus every 5 minutes between Birmingham & Halesowen.
The 5 minute frequency was maintained during peaks with the 919 since buses came off the 109 and went onto the 919 (which ran as the 9 to Halesowen, and then followed the Hasbury Loop). The Hasbury loop was served during the daytime by minibuses on the 619.
The 139E was the evening & sunday alternative which ran to Brierley Hill, Pensnett High Oak and Russells Hall Hospital. Some journeys terminated at Brierley Hill, but as was already said the majority of Mon-Sat evening journeys went to Russells Hall Hospital, and the sunday evenings went to Pensnett, with the daytime journeys remaining to Merry Hill.
After a couple of years the 109 was withdrawn, and the 139 was rerouted to serve Spies Lane & Lapal instead. I think the frequency may have been increased to every 12 minutes at this point. Once it was diverted away from Mucklows Hill, the 139E was renumbered to the 138.
At the same time the 919 was replaced with the 19 which would serve Mucklows Hill during the peak periods. The Hasbury loop was covered by an extension to the 241 at the time.
The next change would be the 139 being amended to service the five ways underpass in both directions, which is when the 139 was renumbered to the 99. The frequency was decreased at this point to every 20 minutes again.
And finally when the 141 replaced the 99, originally running through Blackheath combining with the 140, but then changing to as it is today with a 30 minute frequency.
The 99 was every 15 minutes :)
If anyone's interested I just somehow found this on the NWM site
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/Halesowen/board.aspx
Quote from: Matt on July 15, 2014, 02:02:08 PM
If anyone's interested I just somehow found this on the NWM site
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/Halesowen/board.aspx
This was when the 242/A served Stourbridge, thanks for posting :D
Quote from: Nathan on June 29, 2014, 10:52:05 PM
Just a couple of questions about these routes?
Could anybody give me the history of the 109/138/139 eg Lines of route,vehicle allocations etc.
Also did the old 99 use Manor Lane/Way or Mucklow Hill?
And finally if anyone can tell me, I remember the 525 going to Dudley in the early/mid 2000's but can't remember the exact line of route it did from Bilston-Dudley (I remember it went up Oxford St then Loxdale St)
Cheers :)
I'm sure that the 525 used to follow the old 545 route to Dudley, but i'm not entirely sure though
Quote from: ARJ2901 on October 02, 2014, 08:14:38 AM
Quote from: Nathan on June 29, 2014, 10:52:05 PM
Just a couple of questions about these routes?
Could anybody give me the history of the 109/138/139 eg Lines of route,vehicle allocations etc.
Also did the old 99 use Manor Lane/Way or Mucklow Hill?
And finally if anyone can tell me, I remember the 525 going to Dudley in the early/mid 2000's but can't remember the exact line of route it did from Bilston-Dudley (I remember it went up Oxford St then Loxdale St)
Cheers :)
I'm sure that the 525 used to follow the old 545 route to Dudley, but i'm not entirely sure though
No, it did not.
Quote from: P419 EJW on October 02, 2014, 08:55:54 AM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on October 02, 2014, 08:14:38 AM
Quote from: Nathan on June 29, 2014, 10:52:05 PM
Just a couple of questions about these routes?
Could anybody give me the history of the 109/138/139 eg Lines of route,vehicle allocations etc.
Also did the old 99 use Manor Lane/Way or Mucklow Hill?
And finally if anyone can tell me, I remember the 525 going to Dudley in the early/mid 2000's but can't remember the exact line of route it did from Bilston-Dudley (I remember it went up Oxford St then Loxdale St)
Cheers :)
I'm sure that the 525 used to follow the old 545 route to Dudley, but i'm not entirely sure though
No, it did not.
The old 525 was a mammoth route that started of heading North out of Wolverhampton first, before coming around towards Wednesfield before heading off to Dudley
Quote from: Tony on October 02, 2014, 09:36:47 AM
Quote from: P419 EJW on October 02, 2014, 08:55:54 AM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on October 02, 2014, 08:14:38 AM
Quote from: Nathan on June 29, 2014, 10:52:05 PM
Just a couple of questions about these routes?
Could anybody give me the history of the 109/138/139 eg Lines of route,vehicle allocations etc.
Also did the old 99 use Manor Lane/Way or Mucklow Hill?
And finally if anyone can tell me, I remember the 525 going to Dudley in the early/mid 2000's but can't remember the exact line of route it did from Bilston-Dudley (I remember it went up Oxford St then Loxdale St)
Cheers :)
I'm sure that the 525 used to follow the old 545 route to Dudley, but i'm not entirely sure though
No, it did not.
The old 525 was a mammoth route that started of heading North out of Wolverhampton first, before coming around towards Wednesfield before heading off to Dudley
and a boring one!
Iirc the 283 replaced the Bilston to Priory section...then the 582/583 replaced it with the section between Coseley and Bilston eventually being replaced in parts by the 22 and 43.
I decided to look in my box full of old TWM bus leaflets and I found the 525 leaflet. Here is the 525 leaflet back in 2006. This answers everything to the question about the route 525.
Front page (http://i.imgur.com/Rszv4QU.jpg),
Page 1 and 2 (http://i.imgur.com/FFx5RsR.jpg),
Page 3 and 4 (http://i.imgur.com/htojE7k.jpg),
Page 5 and 6 (http://i.imgur.com/GnxXOdC.jpg),
Last page (http://i.imgur.com/A05MtSK.jpg).