So, as mentioned in another thread, there will be a big batch of tender changes in the Black Country area in October. What does everyone think will be changed as this would probably be the first batch under the new tender system.
Personally I reckon that the 226 won't have any trips after 2215 ex merry hill/Dudley and that Sundays on there won't go to West Bromwich. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the 2215 ex Dudley got withdrawn and the 2215 ex Merry hill got amended to terminate at Kingswinford - Or even got amended to run via Lodge Farm and Netherton to part replace the tendered 243 and 81.
Quote from: the trainbasher on April 04, 2014, 04:23:41 PM
So, as mentioned in another thread, there will be a big batch of tender changes in the Black Country area in October. What does everyone think will be changed as this would probably be the first batch under the new tender system.
Personally I reckon that the 226 won't have any trips after 2215 ex merry hill/Dudley and that Sundays on there won't go to West Bromwich. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the 2215 ex Dudley got withdrawn and the 2215 ex Merry hill got amended to terminate at Kingswinford - Or even got amended to run via Lodge Farm and Netherton to part replace the tendered 243 and 81.
Good idea to make a thread. First off, does anyone know which routes are up for tender as presumably they are not re-tendering 2012 stuff as that would no doubt incur extra cost?
It depends, some 2012 & 3 tenders, weren't they just for 1 or 2 years, so they make come up for retender.
To me, with a little thought, you could save money & still cover the routes,
eg: withdraw services 298/9 and reroute one 276 an hour (276A) via that route in Oldswinford Hagley Road & Lye Springfield Ave.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 04, 2014, 04:39:14 PM
It depends, some 2012 & 3 tenders, weren't they just for 1 or 2 years, so they make come up for retender.
To me, with a little thought, you could save money & still cover the routes,
eg: withdraw services 298/9 and reroute one 276 an hour (276A) via that route in Oldswinford Hagley Road & Lye Springfield Ave.
The Arriva ones were for 5... The main way to save money I would have thought is hoping Arriva/Diamond submit competing package bid prices
Methinks the 122 Oldbury-Bearwood will be completely axed. Saw a sooo on their other day carrying nothing more than air.
Quote from: the trainbasher on April 04, 2014, 04:23:41 PM
So, as mentioned in another thread, there will be a big batch of tender changes in the Black Country area in October. What does everyone think will be changed as this would probably be the first batch under the new tender system.
Personally I reckon that the 226 won't have any trips after 2215 ex merry hill/Dudley and that Sundays on there won't go to West Bromwich. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the 2215 ex Dudley got withdrawn and the 2215 ex Merry hill got amended to terminate at Kingswinford - Or even got amended to run via Lodge Farm and Netherton to part replace the tendered 243 and 81.
I do agree with you but on the 226 i will make 2215 the last one on mon to sat but 2115 on the sunday as it carry 1 if diamond is lucky and then get rid off routes that does not carry and make the others part tenders (day times)
Quote from: Jon on April 05, 2014, 09:47:10 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on April 04, 2014, 04:23:41 PM
So, as mentioned in another thread, there will be a big batch of tender changes in the Black Country area in October. What does everyone think will be changed as this would probably be the first batch under the new tender system.
Personally I reckon that the 226 won't have any trips after 2215 ex merry hill/Dudley and that Sundays on there won't go to West Bromwich. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the 2215 ex Dudley got withdrawn and the 2215 ex Merry hill got amended to terminate at Kingswinford - Or even got amended to run via Lodge Farm and Netherton to part replace the tendered 243 and 81.
I do agree with you but on the 226 i will make 2215 the last one on mon to sat but 2115 on the sunday as it carry 1 if diamond is lucky and then get rid off routes that does not carry and make the others part tenders (day times)
I would hope that the very underused routes are axed too, i.e 24,282,240
Quote from: bususer12 on April 05, 2014, 01:46:36 PM
Quote from: Jon on April 05, 2014, 09:47:10 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on April 04, 2014, 04:23:41 PM
So, as mentioned in another thread, there will be a big batch of tender changes in the Black Country area in October. What does everyone think will be changed as this would probably be the first batch under the new tender system.
Personally I reckon that the 226 won't have any trips after 2215 ex merry hill/Dudley and that Sundays on there won't go to West Bromwich. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the 2215 ex Dudley got withdrawn and the 2215 ex Merry hill got amended to terminate at Kingswinford - Or even got amended to run via Lodge Farm and Netherton to part replace the tendered 243 and 81.
I do agree with you but on the 226 i will make 2215 the last one on mon to sat but 2115 on the sunday as it carry 1 if diamond is lucky and then get rid off routes that does not carry and make the others part tenders (day times)
I would hope that the very underused routes are axed too, i.e 24,282,240
Personally, I'm not "hoping" anything is axed but if it is, less-used routes should go first. I would still have scrapped ring and ride before tendered bus services though and Centro bureaucracy, at the same time, ensuring operators manage bus stops and produce timetable guides themselves. Centro information centres could also have closed and been converted into NX travelshops. Just think, all these services that operators' margins will be put under pressure from could have been retained had the Metro extention vanity project been scrapped...
Right - Ive designed some routes that take in tendered and commercial routes (the commercial routes mainy arriva ones)
Taking in some of the 24/223/229/545 - http://bit.ly/1hR4sL0 (Renumbered to 83/84)
Taking in the 223/224 - http://bit.ly/1qdgXTG (Renumbered to 24)
Taking in parts of the 24/240/298/299 - http://bit.ly/1lEQxs0 (Renumbered to 40)
Taking in the 124/282 - http://bit.ly/1inbyEE (Renumbered to 85)
Taking in parts of the 205/208 - http://bit.ly/PCbTv6 (Could be numbered 29 nights and Sundays? - The Daytimes would remain along the same routes as 25/28)
Taking in the 217/231 - http://bit.ly/1hvM1H8 (Could take the number 31 instead)
Taking in the 142/217/288/X96 - http://bit.ly/1indY6n (Could be numbered 92?)
Quote from: Jon on April 05, 2014, 09:47:10 AM
I do agree with you but on the 226 i will make 2215 the last one on mon to sat but 2115 on the sunday as it carry 1 if diamond is lucky and then get rid off routes that does not carry and make the others part tenders (day times)
I was driving the 23.15 from Dudley last night and it picked up 4 from Dudley and also 1 from West Brom that went all the way to Kingswinford so it does sometimes carry more than 1 person.
Quote from: bususer12 on April 05, 2014, 01:46:36 PM
Quote from: Jon on April 05, 2014, 09:47:10 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on April 04, 2014, 04:23:41 PM
So, as mentioned in another thread, there will be a big batch of tender changes in the Black Country area in October. What does everyone think will be changed as this would probably be the first batch under the new tender system.
Personally I reckon that the 226 won't have any trips after 2215 ex merry hill/Dudley and that Sundays on there won't go to West Bromwich. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the 2215 ex Dudley got withdrawn and the 2215 ex Merry hill got amended to terminate at Kingswinford - Or even got amended to run via Lodge Farm and Netherton to part replace the tendered 243 and 81.
I do agree with you but on the 226 i will make 2215 the last one on mon to sat but 2115 on the sunday as it carry 1 if diamond is lucky and then get rid off routes that does not carry and make the others part tenders (day times)
I would hope that the very underused routes are axed too, i.e 24,282,240
and the 288, only a couple of journeys each way are ever used a lot.
Does anyone know if any results have been announced or will they be announced in September?
Anything in Walsall?
We've had results, gains and losses but in all a good result. Not all operators have accepted the wins yet.
I've heard a interesting rumoured win for one operator but that's unconfirmed and at least one route hasn't been decided despite bids being recieved
The 62/62a seems to be at a will it or wont it status at the minute. Would cause a right storm if nobody takes it on
Quick question, was the 223 open for bids ?
According to the list, not up for tender till 2017.
62/62a where does that go?
Quote from: Bob on August 22, 2014, 06:53:47 AM
62/62a where does that go?
62 (Wolverhampton - Whitmore reans - farmdale - lower green - Compton - finchfield)
62a (same as far as lower green then tettenhall village - tettenhall wood - perton)
Ah I wasnt sure if it was the cannock 62 as thats a tendered route
Which services r up for tender oct 2014
Quote from: Bob on August 22, 2014, 07:19:44 AM
Ah I wasnt sure if it was the cannock 62 as thats a tendered route
Only early morning journeys and Sunday 62A journeys on Arriva 62/62A Cannock to Lichfield are tendered, rest is commercial.
Quote from: Cheese on August 22, 2014, 10:14:55 AM
Quote from: Bob on August 22, 2014, 07:19:44 AM
Ah I wasnt sure if it was the cannock 62 as thats a tendered route
Only early morning journeys and Sunday 62A journeys on Arriva 62/62A Cannock to Lichfield are tendered, rest is commercial.
And that's done by staffs CC..
So when will we know the outcome of the tenders
Would have thought the changes would be starting to go through VOSA anytime now.
The tender results have been released telling individual operators what they have won. There is a period for operators to accept/decline the contracts then the results are published. This allows a second operator to accept a turned down contract from somebody else. Somebody may jump the gun, but operators do not need to adhere to the 56 day rule on contracts as a letter of support would be available from Centro to send to TC.
So hopefully sumone will let it slip soon enough does anyone know if arriva have picked anything up
PD0001374/338 - DIAMOND BUS COMPANY LTD, HALLBRIDGE WAY, TIPTON ROAD, TIVIDALE, WARLEY, B69 3HW
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Walsall Bus Station
Finish Point: Bloxwich, Wipton Road
Via:
Service Number: 70
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 26-OCT-2014
Other Details: Monday to Sunday
PD1028090/184 - CENTRAL CONNECT LTD T/A North Birmingham Busways, BEACON HOUSE, LONG ACRE, ASTON, BIRMINGHAM, B7 5JJ
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Bearwood Bus Station and Oldbury given service number 122 effective from 26-Oct-2014.
I guess the 70 journeys are the Arriva ones.
Where's Wipton Road in Bloxwich?
Quote from: Westy on August 28, 2014, 07:47:55 PM
I guess the 70 journeys are the Arriva ones.
Where's Wipton Road in Bloxwich?
I think that it a typo, should be W'pton Road Bloxwich. W'pton Road being an abbreviation for Wolverhampton Road.
Have all the bids been finalised now?
If so, can someone in the know let us know whos got what please.
Quote from: bususer12 on September 05, 2014, 12:25:02 PM
Have all the bids been finalised now?
If so, can someone in the know let us know whos got what please.
Wmsnt have apparently gained the 226
Hansons have apparently gained the 55
Arriva have gained the 326
Diamond have gained the 70 Walsall
Not sure on Erdington 25, Rubery 42, wolverhampton 303, Walsall 24, 65, Oldbury 55 but I know diamond have deregistered them
PD0001374/339 - DIAMOND BUS COMPANY LTD, HALLBRIDGE WAY, TIPTON ROAD, TIVIDALE, WARLEY, B69 3HW
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: West Bromich Bus Station
Finish Point: Friar Park
Via: Stone Cross
Service Number: 41
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 26-OCT-2014
Other Details: Monday to Saturday
Quote from: gc802002 on September 05, 2014, 12:34:54 PM
PD0001374/339 - DIAMOND BUS COMPANY LTD, HALLBRIDGE WAY, TIPTON ROAD, TIVIDALE, WARLEY, B69 3HW
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: West Bromich Bus Station
Finish Point: Friar Park
Via: Stone Cross
Service Number: 41
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 26-OCT-2014
Other Details: Monday to Saturday
Won from NXWM, I wonder if that will render a couple of the SWB E200's redundant at WB?
Or a couple of darts even??
The Darts will be long gone by 26th October anyway.
Quote from: Winston on September 05, 2014, 12:38:15 PM
Quote from: gc802002 on September 05, 2014, 12:34:54 PM
PD0001374/339 - DIAMOND BUS COMPANY LTD, HALLBRIDGE WAY, TIPTON ROAD, TIVIDALE, WARLEY, B69 3HW
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: West Bromich Bus Station
Finish Point: Friar Park
Via: Stone Cross
Service Number: 41
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 26-OCT-2014
Other Details: Monday to Saturday
Won from NXWM, I wonder if that will render a couple of the SWB E200's redundant at WB?
doubt it . probably make the 47/A completly e200 operated.
Quote from: wbdriver on September 05, 2014, 01:16:14 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 05, 2014, 12:38:15 PM
Quote from: gc802002 on September 05, 2014, 12:34:54 PM
PD0001374/339 - DIAMOND BUS COMPANY LTD, HALLBRIDGE WAY, TIPTON ROAD, TIVIDALE, WARLEY, B69 3HW
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: West Bromich Bus Station
Finish Point: Friar Park
Via: Stone Cross
Service Number: 41
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 26-OCT-2014
Other Details: Monday to Saturday
Won from NXWM, I wonder if that will render a couple of the SWB E200's redundant at WB?
doubt it . probably make the 47/A completly e200 operated.
The E200's should be allowing all remaining Darts & B6LE's to be withdrawn by end of Sept
44 timetable would also need to be changed then as it interworks with the 41. Think the 44 is a 62 minute return trip with a 30 minute frequency
PD0001111/716 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Wolverhampton Bus Station
Finish Point: Bilbrook Railway Station
Via:
Service Number: 54
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 26-OCT-2014
Other Details: Monday to saturday
Quote from: gc802002 on September 05, 2014, 02:13:28 PM
PD0001111/716 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Wolverhampton Bus Station
Finish Point: Bilbrook Railway Station
Via:
Service Number: 54
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 26-OCT-2014
Other Details: Monday to saturday
To serve i54, straight up the Stafford Road then a loop round Bilbrook.
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 05, 2014, 12:30:25 PM
Not sure on Erdington 25, Rubery 42, wolverhampton 303, Walsall 24, 65, Oldbury 55 but I know diamond have deregistered them
It would be better to withdraw that route and reroute 19 to serve some the areas
Quote from: Cheese on September 05, 2014, 02:20:07 PM
Quote from: gc802002 on September 05, 2014, 02:13:28 PM
PD0001111/716 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Wolverhampton Bus Station
Finish Point: Bilbrook Railway Station
Via:
Service Number: 54
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 26-OCT-2014
Other Details: Monday to saturday
To serve i54, straight up the Stafford Road then a loop round Bilbrook.
Is this tendered or commercial?
PD1028090/193 - CENTRAL CONNECT LTD T/A North Birmingham Busways, BEACON HOUSE, LONG ACRE, ASTON, BIRMINGHAM, B7 5JJ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Fox & Goose, Washwoodheath Road, Birmingham
Finish Point: Sixways, Erdington
Via:
Service Number: 25
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 26-OCT-2014
Other Details: Monday to saturday, except bank holidays
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 05, 2014, 12:30:25 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on September 05, 2014, 12:25:02 PM
Have all the bids been finalised now?
If so, can someone in the know let us know whos got what please.
Wmsnt have apparently gained the 226
Hansons have apparently gained the 55
Arriva have gained the 326
Diamond have gained the 70 Walsall
Not sure on Erdington 25, Rubery 42, wolverhampton 303, Walsall 24, 65, Oldbury 55 but I know diamond have deregistered them
Where dose this gone to?
Quote from: Jon on September 05, 2014, 05:13:04 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 05, 2014, 12:30:25 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on September 05, 2014, 12:25:02 PM
Have all the bids been finalised now?
If so, can someone in the know let us know whos got what please.
Wmsnt have apparently gained the 226
Hansons have apparently gained the 55
Arriva have gained the 326
Diamond have gained the 70 Walsall
Not sure on Erdington 25, Rubery 42, wolverhampton 303, Walsall 24, 65, Oldbury 55 but I know diamond have deregistered them
Where dose this gone to?
Brandhall to Smethwick (Cape Hill)., According to the timetable, it is a 7 day a week service, will be interesting to see if Hansons will operate on a Sunday again.
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 05, 2014, 12:30:25 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on September 05, 2014, 12:25:02 PM
Have all the bids been finalised now?
If so, can someone in the know let us know whos got what please.
Arriva have gained the 326
Diamond have gained the 70 Walsall
Is it possible to connect at Bilston with a 530 back to Wolves?
Presumbly a bus from the 301 will do the 70.
Quote from: Nathan on September 05, 2014, 03:49:53 PM
Quote from: Cheese on September 05, 2014, 02:20:07 PM
Quote from: gc802002 on September 05, 2014, 02:13:28 PM
PD0001111/716 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Wolverhampton Bus Station
Finish Point: Bilbrook Railway Station
Via:
Service Number: 54
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 26-OCT-2014
Other Details: Monday to saturday
To serve i54, straight up the Stafford Road then a loop round Bilbrook.
Is this tendered or commercial?
Funded by i54 I think.
Quote from: Cheese on September 05, 2014, 09:12:17 PM
Quote from: Nathan on September 05, 2014, 03:49:53 PM
Quote from: Cheese on September 05, 2014, 02:20:07 PM
Quote from: gc802002 on September 05, 2014, 02:13:28 PM
PD0001111/716 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Wolverhampton Bus Station
Finish Point: Bilbrook Railway Station
Via:
Service Number: 54
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 26-OCT-2014
Other Details: Monday to saturday
To serve i54, straight up the Stafford Road then a loop round Bilbrook.
Is this tendered or commercial?
Funded by i54 I think.
Wasn't there a staffs cc funded route from codsall through pendeford (and hence past i54) and up towards Penkridge and Stafford? Maybe this is partly to help bridge that gap?
Quote from: Kevin on September 06, 2014, 01:20:07 PM
Quote from: Cheese on September 05, 2014, 09:12:17 PM
Quote from: Nathan on September 05, 2014, 03:49:53 PM
Quote from: Cheese on September 05, 2014, 02:20:07 PM
Quote from: gc802002 on September 05, 2014, 02:13:28 PM
PD0001111/716 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Wolverhampton Bus Station
Finish Point: Bilbrook Railway Station
Via:
Service Number: 54
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 26-OCT-2014
Other Details: Monday to saturday
To serve i54, straight up the Stafford Road then a loop round Bilbrook.
Is this tendered or commercial?
Funded by i54 I think.
Wasn't there a staffs cc funded route from codsall through pendeford (and hence past i54) and up towards Penkridge and Stafford? Maybe this is partly to help bridge that gap?
There was (88) but this is a completely new service, not really a replacement for anything. Expect further i54 services in the future.
Knocked up a quick spreadsheet with the win/loss stats on.
Looks like Diamond have lost a fair few buses worth of work as it sits with what we know...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ism9svoyjp4ebsy/2014%20tenders.xlsx?dl=0
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 06, 2014, 02:09:26 PM
Knocked up a quick spreadsheet with the win/loss stats on.
Looks like Diamond have lost a fair few buses worth of work as it sits with what we know...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ism9svoyjp4ebsy/2014%20tenders.xlsx?dl=0
Surely swings & roundabouts.
There will be one company who tends to lose a lot of routes & another that will gain lots of routes, then you'll get the surprise winners!
Back in the past, NX/Wmt/Twm tended to win a route & I always wondered how before said route was won by another operator.
Pretty sure there was a Walsall route that always seemed to be changing operator but I can't think which one it was.
I'll take a guess, the old evening & Sunday 319, think Twm, Arriva, Choice & the old Pmt operation all had a go on it at least once!
Out of the main operators past & present, I think Diamond has never had a regular go on that tendered route!
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 05, 2014, 12:30:25 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on September 05, 2014, 12:25:02 PM
Have all the bids been finalised now?
If so, can someone in the know let us know whos got what please.
Wmsnt have apparently gained the 226
Hansons have apparently gained the 55
Arriva have gained the 326
Diamond have gained the 70 Walsall
Not sure on Erdington 25, Rubery 42, wolverhampton 303, Walsall 24, 65, Oldbury 55 but I know diamond have deregistered them
It's a bit out of their way, to operate the 55. It's a nice little route, only requires one bus
Quote from: Westy on September 06, 2014, 06:25:14 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 06, 2014, 02:09:26 PM
Knocked up a quick spreadsheet with the win/loss stats on.
Looks like Diamond have lost a fair few buses worth of work as it sits with what we know...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ism9svoyjp4ebsy/2014%20tenders.xlsx?dl=0
Surely swings & roundabouts.
There will be one company who tends to lose a lot of routes & another that will gain lots of routes, then you'll get the surprise winners!
Back in the past, NX/Wmt/Twm tended to win a route & I always wondered how before said route was won by another operator.
Pretty sure there was a Walsall route that always seemed to be changing operator but I can't think which one it was.
I'll take a guess, the old evening & Sunday 319, think Twm, Arriva, Choice & the old Pmt operation all had a go on it at least once!
Out of the main operators past & present, I think Diamond has never had a regular go on that tendered route!
True, I'm just looking at it from a statistical analysis point of view...
Apparently the 20, 21, 22, 53 have all been lost from Arriva!
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 07, 2014, 05:18:05 PM
Apparently the 20, 21, 22, 53 have all been lost from Arriva!
The 20, 21 & 22 would make ideal additions to Diamond's Sandwell network of routes, I suspect WMSNT has mostly likely won them though
I hope Diamond enjoy their buses getting stuck between parked cars on the 21!
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 07, 2014, 06:28:06 PM
I hope Diamond enjoy their buses getting stuck between parked cars on the 21!
Step back in time then. Pete's / People's Express ran the forerunner of the 21, 489 / 200/1 and certain roads especially around Londonderry were tight especially when the 489 progressed from Varios to Carlyle Darts and then Plaxton Darts and not always MPDs. The buses on the 200/1 passed in the loop off Manor Lane, Londonderry, pavements often came into play.
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 07, 2014, 05:18:05 PM
Apparently the 20, 21, 22, 53 have all been lost from Arriva!
I was told WMSNT have won the 22 and will hope to have it go through Dudley.
Arriva cancelled on vosa the following as well as what I've said would be lost/
545
28E
But have registered the Walsall 77
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 09, 2014, 05:10:25 PM
Arriva cancelled on vosa the following as well as what I've said would be lost/
545
28E
But have registered the Walsall 77
Have they registered competing journeys on the 77 because I thought there wasn't any tendered journeys now?
Quote from: Westy on September 09, 2014, 06:42:07 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 09, 2014, 05:10:25 PM
Arriva cancelled on vosa the following as well as what I've said would be lost/
545
28E
But have registered the Walsall 77
Have they registered competing journeys on the 77 because I thought there wasn't any tendered journeys now?
I was under the impression the Sunday journeys on the 77 were introduced by NXWM last year on a trial basis with subsidy from Centro.
I presume these journeys will now be operated by Arriva, but with a round-trip time of 1 Hour 14 minutes (Plus layover), they will have to work with something. One possibility would be if Arriva have won the Sunday daytime 41 journeys from WMSNT (they have registered a timetable change on this service), which would give a combined round-trip time of 2 Hour 30 Minutes, putting in a bit of layover at either end and at Walsall and that would fit quite nicely into a 3 hour loop.
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Sunday 26th October is the first day of the new Tender Contracts.
On a slightly different topic, this date also marks the 28th anniversary of Deregulation!
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Quote from: leewhayward29 on September 10, 2014, 10:07:53 PM
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Sunday 26th October is the first day of the new Tender Contracts.
On a slightly different topic, this date also marks the 28th anniversary of Deregulation!
What are the routes that start on the 26th October
Quote from: leewhayward29 on September 14, 2014, 12:08:57 PM
What are the routes that start on the 26th October
Read this topic from the beginning
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Quote from: leewhayward29 on September 10, 2014, 10:07:53 PM
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Sunday 26th October is the first day of the new Tender Contracts.
On a slightly different topic, this date also marks the 28th anniversary of Deregulation!
The worst day ever
T 57 54 West Bromwich to Worlds End via Europa Village and Smethwick 3 Diamond Bus Company Ltd t/a Black Diamond 215800 215800 341068 18/07/2014
T 97 5 Birmingham Carrs Lane and Solihull Station 1 West Midlands Travel Limited t/a National Express West Midlands 43212 43212 43212 18/07/2014
T 109 49 West Bromwich to Bearwood 1 West Midlands Travel Limited t/a National Express West Midlands 48880 48880 48880 18/07/2014
T 161 22 Wolverhampton to Wednesbury 3 West Midlands Special Needs Transport (Accessible Transport Services) Ltd 76410 96234 136916 Discount package price 18/07/2014
T 162 57 Wolverhampton to Bilston via Wednesfield 4 ARRIVA Midlands North Ltd 106652 106652 181476 Option 1 18/07/2014
T 202 167/8 Erdington and Sutton Coldfield 5 West Midlands Special Needs Transport (Accessible Transport Services) Ltd 55459 55459 153634 18/07/2014
T 333 44 West Bromwich to Tipton via Hill Top & Great Bridge 3 West Midlands Special Needs Transport (Accessible Transport Services) Ltd 12120 12120 31252 18/07/2014
T 494 246 Dudley & Stourbridge via Brierley Hill 1 West Midlands Travel Limited t/a National Express West Midlands 3900 3900 3900 18/07/2014
T 595 231 Halesowen and Blackheath via Olive Lane Estate 5 Hansons (Wordsley) Ltd t/a Hansons Local Bus 38480 38480 104832 18/07/2014
T 599 966 Solihull Station and Erdington via Chelmsley Wood 1 Contract not awarded 18/07/2014
T 621 42 West Heath to Hollymoor Way via Great Park 3 West Midlands Special Needs Transport (Accessible Transport Services) Ltd 20080 20080 54641 18/07/2014
T 661 76 Solihull and Queen Elizabeth Hospital 2 West Midlands Travel Limited t/a National Express West Midlands 60476 60476 95160 18/07/2014
T 675 25 Erdington Six Ways to Fox and Goose, Ward End 2 Central Connect Ltd t/a Blue Diamond 5096 5096 5460 18/07/2014
T 777 53 Wolverhampton to Rocket Pool via New Cross Hospital 3 West Midlands Special Needs Transport (Accessible Transport Services) Ltd 130103 166086 220636 Discount package price 18/07/2014
T 780 55 Brandhall to Cape Hill 6 Hansons (Wordsley) Ltd t/a Hansons Local Bus 34320 34320 114088 18/07/2014
T 783 64 West Bromwich to Wednesbury 6 West Midlands Special Needs Transport (Accessible Transport Services) Ltd 27400 27400 93548 18/07/2014
T 790 24 Foxyards Estate to Merry Hill Centre via Dudley 5 West Midlands Special Needs Transport (Accessible Transport Services) Ltd 69241 69241 140771 18/07/2014
T 812 30 Bilston to Darlaston via Herberts Park 1 Walsall Community Transport 17680 17680 17680 Contract for a period of 52 weeks 18/07/2014
T 818 122 Oldbury to Bearwood via Langley 4 West Midlands Special Needs Transport (Accessible Transport Services) Ltd 42233 42233 70343 Option 2 18/07/2014
T 845 50 Wolverhampton to Wednesfield via Fallings Park 5 ARRIVA Midlands North Ltd 40404 40404 83668 18/07/2014
T 846 40 Walsall and Willenhall 3 West Midlands Travel Limited t/a National Express West Midlands 14560 14560 35642 18/07/2014
T 847 35/41 Walsall and Willenhall/Aldridge 5 ARRIVA Midlands North Ltd 10221 9978 19967 Discount package price 18/07/2014
T 1017 40 Wednesbury & West Bromwich via All Saints & Friar Park 1 West Midlands Travel Limited t/a National Express West Midlands 1716 1716 1716 18/07/2014
T 1105 140 Dudley & Birmingham via Blackheath & Bearwood 1 West Midlands Travel Limited t/a National Express West Midlands 3692 3692 3692 18/07/2014
T 1144 246 Dudley to Stourbridge via Brierley Hill 1 West Midlands Travel Limited t/a National Express West Midlands 4680 4680 4680 18/07/2014
T 1220 66 City Centre to Star City 2 West Midlands Travel Limited t/a National Express West Midlands 3900 3900 9832 18/07/2014
T 119 226 Dudley & Merry Hill Centre 4 West Midlands Special Needs Transport (Accessible Transport Services) Ltd 22286 22286 93340 18/07/2014
T 120 255 Wolverhampton & Merry Hill Centre 2 Diamond Bus Company Ltd t/a Black Diamond 45136 45136 65156 18/07/2014
T 122 24 Walsall Wood to Catshill 5 West Midlands Special Needs Transport (Accessible Transport Services) Ltd 29673 29673 51186 18/07/2014
T 663 41 West Bromwich & Friar Park via Stone Cross 4 Diamond Bus Company Ltd t/a Black Diamond 75400 75400 115388 18/07/2014
T 706 326 Bloxwich to Bilston via Willenhall 5 ARRIVA Midlands North Ltd 108004 108004 266656 Option 2 18/07/2014
T 786 65 Darlaston & Woods Est via Wednesbury 5 West Midlands Special Needs Transport (Accessible Transport Services) Ltd 26493 26493 47992 18/07/2014
T 788 303 County Bridge & Bilston 4 West Midlands Special Needs Transport (Accessible Transport Services) Ltd 15296 15296 34938 18/07/2014
T 809 26 Walsall to Blakenall via Forest Estate 1 Walsall Community Transport 15600 15600 15600 Contract for period of 52 weeks 18/07/2014
T 826 77 Sutton Coldfield to Walsall 3 ARRIVA Midlands North Ltd 6003 6003 14040 Discount package price 18/07/2014
T 833 70 Walsall to Bloxwich 3 Diamond Bus Company Ltd t/a Black Diamond 22724 22724 27768 18/07/2014
T 850 25 Bloxwich to Kingstanding via Pelsall and Aldrige 5 West Midlands Special Needs Transport (Accessible Transport Services) Ltd 99522 99522 179861 18/07/2014
T 762 20,21 Oldbury to Bearwood 5 West Midlands Special Needs Transport (Accessible Transport Services) Ltd 83370 83370 147540 18/07/2014
T 1266 966a B'ham Airport to Erdington via Chelmsley Wood 1 Contract not awarded 18/07/2014
http://www.centro.org.uk/media/316837/Statutory-Information-October-2014.pdf here is the link
So the Walsall 25 has changed from Walsall Community Transport to the Ring & Ride people!
Remember when some of this service used to be the old 347!
Is that document the finished article or is there still more to be announced
I'm not sure what is happening with the 62 wolverhampton...
Diamond have lost up to 10 buses worth of work after taking into account the gains
As a rough estimate
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qnyv8huvxif031i/2014%20tenders.xls?dl=0
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 16, 2014, 09:14:04 AM
I'm not sure what is happening with the 62 wolverhampton...
Diamond have lost up to 10 buses worth of work after taking into account the gains
A few emergency tenders were released after the main October batch had closed, and the outcome of these was released today - so no doubt will appear on Centro website once all finalised.
No mention of 226w on tender list, does anyone know if its gone or not?
Quote from: bususer12 on September 25, 2014, 01:39:42 PM
No mention of 226w on tender list, does anyone know if its gone or not?
The 226/226W was part of the same tender IIRC so wouldn't be displayed...
...but I've heard rumours that the Dudley - West Brom bit was commercial so looks like that's gone!
Quote from: bususer12 on September 25, 2014, 01:39:42 PM
No mention of 226w on tender list, does anyone know if its gone or not?
The evening & Sunday 226 will now be operated by WMSNT instead of Diamond, whether it is an admin error with the w being dropped on the route is being curtailed I'm not sure
T 119 226 Dudley & Merry Hill Centre 4 West Midlands Special Needs Transport (Accessible Transport Services) Ltd 22286 22286 93340 18/07/2014
Someone needs their head testing if that was commercial for a whole year. Timed to leave just after the 74 (or it was).Also, just noticed the typo on the NWM page. It looks like the GRS 246 withdrawal has been combined with Diamonds 226 Evening and Sunday Withdrawal
Does anybody now what is happening to service 62/A in Wolverhampton, NXWM are withdrawing them but there is no news on the centro tendered list or the updated Network West Midlands bus changes page
Quote from: woody38 on September 26, 2014, 12:30:35 PM
Does anybody now what is happening to service 62/A in Wolverhampton, NXWM are withdrawing them but there is no news on the centro tendered list or the updated Network West Midlands bus changes page
It has probably been withdrawn completley
Quote from: Nathan on September 26, 2014, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: woody38 on September 26, 2014, 12:30:35 PM
Does anybody now what is happening to service 62/A in Wolverhampton, NXWM are withdrawing them but there is no news on the centro tendered list or the updated Network West Midlands bus changes page
It has probably been withdrawn completley
Incorrect, Arriva Midlands will commence operation in October along with 27 Wolverhampton - Dudley evenings/Sundays and revised 28E Wolverhampton - Willenhall evenings/Sundays.
Quote from: 646 on September 26, 2014, 06:27:48 PM
Quote from: Nathan on September 26, 2014, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: woody38 on September 26, 2014, 12:30:35 PM
Does anybody now what is happening to service 62/A in Wolverhampton, NXWM are withdrawing them but there is no news on the centro tendered list or the updated Network West Midlands bus changes page
It has probably been withdrawn completley
Incorrect, Arriva Midlands will commence operation in October along with 27 Wolverhampton - Dudley evenings/Sundays and revised 28E Wolverhampton - Willenhall evenings/Sundays.
Still running into Perton then I imagine, cause they have buses that can operate the bus gate
Cheers for that Kevin wondered what was happening
Looking at the service changes, apparently the 424 and 425 are being merged. So someone somewhere is going to be missing out, be it the Gorse Farm estate on the 424 or the bit through Hamstead and Newton on the 425
and 646 for giving the answer I was looking for
Quote from: 646 on September 26, 2014, 06:27:48 PM
Quote from: Nathan on September 26, 2014, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: woody38 on September 26, 2014, 12:30:35 PM
Does anybody now what is happening to service 62/A in Wolverhampton, NXWM are withdrawing them but there is no news on the centro tendered list or the updated Network West Midlands bus changes page
It has probably been withdrawn completley
Incorrect, Arriva Midlands will commence operation in October along with 27 Wolverhampton - Dudley evenings/Sundays and revised 28E Wolverhampton - Willenhall evenings/Sundays.
28E is Wolverhampton - New Invention. :)
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 27, 2014, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: 646 on September 26, 2014, 06:27:48 PM
Quote from: Nathan on September 26, 2014, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: woody38 on September 26, 2014, 12:30:35 PM
Does anybody now what is happening to service 62/A in Wolverhampton, NXWM are withdrawing them but there is no news on the centro tendered list or the updated Network West Midlands bus changes page
It has probably been withdrawn completley
Incorrect, Arriva Midlands will commence operation in October along with 27 Wolverhampton - Dudley evenings/Sundays and revised 28E Wolverhampton - Willenhall evenings/Sundays.
28E is Wolverhampton - New Invention. :)
I stated "revised 28E Wolverhampton - Willenhall evenings/Sundays". This is not the same as the daytime route.
Quote from: 646 on September 27, 2014, 02:22:21 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 27, 2014, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: 646 on September 26, 2014, 06:27:48 PM
Quote from: Nathan on September 26, 2014, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: woody38 on September 26, 2014, 12:30:35 PM
Does anybody now what is happening to service 62/A in Wolverhampton, NXWM are withdrawing them but there is no news on the centro tendered list or the updated Network West Midlands bus changes page
It has probably been withdrawn completley
Incorrect, Arriva Midlands will commence operation in October along with 27 Wolverhampton - Dudley evenings/Sundays and revised 28E Wolverhampton - Willenhall evenings/Sundays.
28E is Wolverhampton - New Invention. :)
I stated "revised 28E Wolverhampton - Willenhall evenings/Sundays". This is not the same as the daytime route.
You're confusing me. Are you saying 28 Wolverhampton to Willenhall because that's the full route or 28E Wolverhampton to New Invention? If it is to Willenhall then it should be 28, not 28E, right?
Unless it's a "E"xception to the normal 28
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 27, 2014, 02:58:26 PM
Quote from: 646 on September 27, 2014, 02:22:21 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 27, 2014, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: 646 on September 26, 2014, 06:27:48 PM
Quote from: Nathan on September 26, 2014, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: woody38 on September 26, 2014, 12:30:35 PM
Does anybody now what is happening to service 62/A in Wolverhampton, NXWM are withdrawing them but there is no news on the centro tendered list or the updated Network West Midlands bus changes page
It has probably been withdrawn completley
Incorrect, Arriva Midlands will commence operation in October along with 27 Wolverhampton - Dudley evenings/Sundays and revised 28E Wolverhampton - Willenhall evenings/Sundays.
28E is Wolverhampton - New Invention. :)
I stated "revised 28E Wolverhampton - Willenhall evenings/Sundays". This is not the same as the daytime route.
You're confusing me. Are you saying 28 Wolverhampton to Willenhall because that's the full route or 28E Wolverhampton to New Invention? If it is to Willenhall then it should be 28, not 28E, right?
As already stated, the 28E is revised from October to operate to Willenhall but not via the same route as 28.
Quote from: 646 on September 27, 2014, 04:58:29 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 27, 2014, 02:58:26 PM
Quote from: 646 on September 27, 2014, 02:22:21 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 27, 2014, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: 646 on September 26, 2014, 06:27:48 PM
Quote from: Nathan on September 26, 2014, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: woody38 on September 26, 2014, 12:30:35 PM
Does anybody now what is happening to service 62/A in Wolverhampton, NXWM are withdrawing them but there is no news on the centro tendered list or the updated Network West Midlands bus changes page
It has probably been withdrawn completley
Incorrect, Arriva Midlands will commence operation in October along with 27 Wolverhampton - Dudley evenings/Sundays and revised 28E Wolverhampton - Willenhall evenings/Sundays.
28E is Wolverhampton - New Invention. :)
I stated "revised 28E Wolverhampton - Willenhall evenings/Sundays". This is not the same as the daytime route.
You're confusing me. Are you saying 28 Wolverhampton to Willenhall because that's the full route or 28E Wolverhampton to New Invention? If it is to Willenhall then it should be 28, not 28E, right?
As already stated, the 28E is revised from October to operate to Willenhall but not via the same route as 28.
Now that is clear, I understand now.
Quote from: 646 on September 27, 2014, 04:58:29 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 27, 2014, 02:58:26 PM
Quote from: 646 on September 27, 2014, 02:22:21 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 27, 2014, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: 646 on September 26, 2014, 06:27:48 PM
Quote from: Nathan on September 26, 2014, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: woody38 on September 26, 2014, 12:30:35 PM
Does anybody now what is happening to service 62/A in Wolverhampton, NXWM are withdrawing them but there is no news on the centro tendered list or the updated Network West Midlands bus changes page
It has probably been withdrawn completley
Incorrect, Arriva Midlands will commence operation in October along with 27 Wolverhampton - Dudley evenings/Sundays and revised 28E Wolverhampton - Willenhall evenings/Sundays.
28E is Wolverhampton - New Invention. :)
I stated "revised 28E Wolverhampton - Willenhall evenings/Sundays". This is not the same as the daytime route.
You're confusing me. Are you saying 28 Wolverhampton to Willenhall because that's the full route or 28E Wolverhampton to New Invention? If it is to Willenhall then it should be 28, not 28E, right?
As already stated, the 28E is revised from October to operate to Willenhall but not via the same route as 28.
Isn't the difference between the two routes in the Wednesfield/Ashmore Park area from memory?
Quote from: Westy on September 28, 2014, 01:09:17 AM
Quote from: 646 on September 27, 2014, 04:58:29 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 27, 2014, 02:58:26 PM
Quote from: 646 on September 27, 2014, 02:22:21 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 27, 2014, 01:14:06 PM
Quote from: 646 on September 26, 2014, 06:27:48 PM
Quote from: Nathan on September 26, 2014, 05:03:07 PM
Quote from: woody38 on September 26, 2014, 12:30:35 PM
Does anybody now what is happening to service 62/A in Wolverhampton, NXWM are withdrawing them but there is no news on the centro tendered list or the updated Network West Midlands bus changes page
It has probably been withdrawn completley
Incorrect, Arriva Midlands will commence operation in October along with 27 Wolverhampton - Dudley evenings/Sundays and revised 28E Wolverhampton - Willenhall evenings/Sundays.
28E is Wolverhampton - New Invention. :)
I stated "revised 28E Wolverhampton - Willenhall evenings/Sundays". This is not the same as the daytime route.
You're confusing me. Are you saying 28 Wolverhampton to Willenhall because that's the full route or 28E Wolverhampton to New Invention? If it is to Willenhall then it should be 28, not 28E, right?
As already stated, the 28E is revised from October to operate to Willenhall but not via the same route as 28.
Isn't the difference between the two routes in the Wednesfield/Ashmore Park area from memory?
How is it different to the other 28
The NX28 goes via Prestwood Rd West then straight down to the Wood End Island (By The Pheasant Pub) taking the 3rd Exit onto Wood-End Rd then takes a left onto Moathouse Lane West
Arriva turns by the Red Lion Pub up Amos Lane then Left Bellamy Lane then left onto Wood End Rd then an immediate right onto Moathouse Lane West
saw this on VOSA today
PD0000478/404 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Registration Accepted by SN
Starting Point: Wolverhampton Bus Station
Finish Point: Compton Square
Via: Dunstall, Whitmore Reans
Service Number: 62
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 26-OCT-2014
Other Details: Monday to Saturday & Sunday daytime.
No mention off the 62A, anybody now if this is being withdrawn
PD0000478/392 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Wolverhampton Bus Station and Wednesfield, High Street given service number 50 effective from 26-Oct-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0000478/405 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Registration Accepted by SN
Starting Point: Wolverhampton Bus Station
Finish Point: Willenhall, Upper Lichfield Street
Via: New Cross Hospital, Wood End, New Invention
Service Number: 28E
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 26-OCT-2014
Other Details: Mpnday to Saturday evenings and Sunday all day.
PD0000478/406 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Registration Accepted by SN
Starting Point: Wolverhampton Bus Station
Finish Point: Dudley Bus Station
Via: Goldthorn Park, Northway, Sedgley, Gornal Wood
Service Number: 27
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 26-OCT-2014
Other Details: Monday to Saturday evenmings and Sunday all day
Quote from: DiamondDart on April 05, 2014, 02:21:57 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on April 05, 2014, 01:46:36 PM
Quote from: Jon on April 05, 2014, 09:47:10 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on April 04, 2014, 04:23:41 PM
So, as mentioned in another thread, there will be a big batch of tender changes in the Black Country area in October. What does everyone think will be changed as this would probably be the first batch under the new tender system.
Personally I reckon that the 226 won't have any trips after 2215 ex merry hill/Dudley and that Sundays on there won't go to West Bromwich. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the 2215 ex Dudley got withdrawn and the 2215 ex Merry hill got amended to terminate at Kingswinford - Or even got amended to run via Lodge Farm and Netherton to part replace the tendered 243 and 81.
I do agree with you but on the 226 i will make 2215 the last one on mon to sat but 2115 on the sunday as it carry 1 if diamond is lucky and then get rid off routes that does not carry and make the others part tenders (day times)
I would hope that the very underused routes are axed too, i.e 24,282,240
Personally, I'm not "hoping" anything is axed but if it is, less-used routes should go first. I would still have scrapped ring and ride before tendered bus services though and Centro bureaucracy, at the same time, ensuring operators manage bus stops and produce timetable guides themselves. Centro information centres could also have closed and been converted into NX travelshops. Just think, all these services that operators' margins will be put under pressure from could have been retained had the Metro extention vanity project been scrapped...
Don't let the operators do their own publicity.
Unless it's Nx or Arriva, you'll never find it!