It looks like the guy that runs the 40X has a new bus.
An ex-Stagecoach Dart/ALX200, Reg 'S-CVV' (Could have been 'S458 CVV') was on there today, still in full Stagecoach livery with a black blind (with route info) stuck where the destination display would be
Cheers John, will keep a look out for that
Quote from: John on February 13, 2014, 10:20:35 PM
It looks like the guy that runs the 40X has a new bus.
An ex-Stagecoach Dart/ALX200, Reg 'S-CVV' (Could have been 'S458 CVV') was on there today, still in full Stagecoach livery with a black blind (with route info) stuck where the destination display would be
I was wondering when he would get a new one, the last time I went on it I could barely walk because it was so compact and slow!
I guess that since the 123 has finished there could be an increase in passenger numbers on his route.
S453CVV, ex stagecoach Warwickshire dart, noticed it on Tuesday and yesterday at one stop.
PD0001044/1 - FERDINAND PELLINGTON T/A HI-RIDE COACHES, 60 HOLLY ROAD, HANDSWORTH, BIRMINGHAM, B20 2DB
Variation Accepted: Operating between WATERLOO ROAD, SMETHWICK and ASTON SIXWAYS given service number 40X effective from 25-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
Quote from: Winston on March 05, 2014, 01:50:11 PM
PD0001044/1 - FERDINAND PELLINGTON T/A HI-RIDE COACHES, 60 HOLLY ROAD, HANDSWORTH, BIRMINGHAM, B20 2DB
Variation Accepted: Operating between WATERLOO ROAD, SMETHWICK and ASTON SIXWAYS given service number 40X effective from 25-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
Hmm
Makes sense probably as 654 goes to Six Ways so the 40x covers the remaining route to smethwick then 53 to merry hill? (old 123 route)
Quote from: Winston on March 05, 2014, 01:50:11 PM
PD0001044/1 - FERDINAND PELLINGTON T/A HI-RIDE COACHES, 60 HOLLY ROAD, HANDSWORTH, BIRMINGHAM, B20 2DB
Variation Accepted: Operating between WATERLOO ROAD, SMETHWICK and ASTON SIXWAYS given service number 40X effective from 25-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
Change happening on a Friday again?? Strange?
TCs insisting on 56 days perhaps? There's a weird one on Cheshire East website where a High Peak registration for a withdrawn Baker's journey existing journey was rejected.
here is the dart on the 40X service at Perry Barr 1 stop https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/13085622393/
Quote from: Winston on March 05, 2014, 01:50:11 PM
PD0001044/1 - FERDINAND PELLINGTON T/A HI-RIDE COACHES, 60 HOLLY ROAD, HANDSWORTH, BIRMINGHAM, B20 2DB
Variation Accepted: Operating between WATERLOO ROAD, SMETHWICK and ASTON SIXWAYS given service number 40X effective from 25-Apr-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
Just noticed on the maps at one stop, and it appears so on the timetable on nwm website, the 40X is actually running a completely different route to both its original and this supposed variation... Apparently it runs from six ways, as per the 654 to one stop, then following the 11 to handsworth, then soho road down to soho house where it apparently terminates. Anyone?
Can't remember what the timetable used to be like but it's now every 90 mins Mon-Fri. Maybe this and the new bus he's actually meaning business after all these years?
Technically it does mean there's still a through route from Aston to Handsworth, but it does mean that link through Lozells since WMPTE days has finally been reduced to nothing, shame that
Wonder if the ex stagecoach dart will be painted into
hi ride livery
Looking at the adress on networkwest midlands Isn't that the adress of bearwood coaches or have they moved & hi ride now using it as his depot Also does hi ridehave a spare bus in case of the dart been of the road for so reason
That explains why the bus stop just of Wheeler Street and Six Ways now says not in use
He seems to have gained destination blinds now displayed as below
(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmb-web.co.uk%2Febay%2Fhiride.gif&hash=1585f1a6be026ef48ab6fe3341db0b8f9e6e0e6e)
On vosa today
1. PD0001044/1 - FERDINAND PELLINGTON T/A HI-RIDE COACHES, 60 HOLLY ROAD, HANDSWORTH, BIRMINGHAM, B20 2DB
Variation Accepted: Operating between WATERLOO ROAD, SMETHWICK and ASTON SIXWAYS given service number 40X effective from 04-Dec-2014. To amend Timetable.
Surprised to see Mr Pellington and his dart picking up in the city at the 16/74/75 stop on Friday morning, I had seen him at Hockley in the past so the route must have been extended.
Quote from: 37351ml on December 07, 2014, 08:42:05 AM
Surprised to see Mr Pellington and his dart picking up in the city at the 16/74/75 stop on Friday morning, I had seen him at Hockley in the past so the route must have been extended.
Thought he was meant to terminate at Hockley Circus
I've had trouble with the driver on the X40 before. Tried to take my camera off me before just for photographing the ex Stagecoach ALX200.
That's the owner. He's an owner driver & mechanic. He's done it all himself since he started. So you have to respect him for that
Quote from: Steveminor on December 18, 2014, 10:47:30 PM
That's the owner. He's an owner driver & mechanic. He's done it all himself since he started. So you have to respect him for that
Well I would respect him for that since it's hard to get one started but then I think he should respect us bus spotters. Actually pulled the bus over and delayed it to try and take my camera.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on December 19, 2014, 08:13:16 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on December 18, 2014, 10:47:30 PM
That's the owner. He's an owner driver & mechanic. He's done it all himself since he started. So you have to respect him for that
Well I would respect him for that since it's hard to get one started but then I think he should respect us bus spotters. Actually pulled the bus over and delayed it to try and take my camera.
When you say take your camera did he actually try and forcefully take it, or was he just telling you to hand it over?
Quote from: trident4370 on December 19, 2014, 08:26:12 PM
Quote from: Michael Bevan on December 19, 2014, 08:13:16 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on December 18, 2014, 10:47:30 PM
That's the owner. He's an owner driver & mechanic. He's done it all himself since he started. So you have to respect him for that
Well I would respect him for that since it's hard to get one started but then I think he should respect us bus spotters. Actually pulled the bus over and delayed it to try and take my camera.
When you say take your camera did he actually try and forcefully take it, or was he just telling you to hand it over?
He basically pulled up and said "Give me your camera!" I think he was there 3 minutes telling me to hand it over before I walked off. I could see him afterwards talking to one of the NXWM staff at One Stop. Could have been getting a telling off or something.
He's got something to hide!
Probably thinks you works for the Dss or whatever they're called thesedays!
Ahh I see just a mouthy git then, I only asked because if he had tried to physically take it you could have took it further. I daresay I have photted the dart a couple of times and he hasn't said anything to me, yet. Usually when drivers don't want to be photographed for any reason they just cover their faces with their hands, so it makes me wonder why such an over reaction...
Quote from: Westy on December 20, 2014, 06:36:46 AM
He's got something to hide!
Probably thinks you works for the Dss or whatever they're called thesedays!
Quote from: trident4370 on December 20, 2014, 10:39:33 PM
Ahh I see just a mouthy git then, I only asked because if he had tried to physically take it you could have took it further. I daresay I have photted the dart a couple of times and he hasn't said anything to me, yet. Usually when drivers don't want to be photographed for any reason they just cover their faces with their hands, so it makes me wonder why such an over reaction...
Agreed. I wonder what he was hiding. But I haven't been to One Stop since. If he does it again I'll report him.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on December 18, 2014, 11:58:34 AM
I've had trouble with the driver on the X40 before. Tried to take my camera off me before just for photographing the ex Stagecoach ALX200.
report him to the police who could send a plain clothes officer to see if he dose it again & hopefully will get done by them
Quote from: Matt on December 21, 2014, 11:57:47 PM
I think you should organise a meet up where you all go to One Stop with your cameras and photograph his bus...
Will have to in 2015. And if necessary we'll call the Police.
Having seen his bus from a distance by Priory Queensway on Friday I've just looked at his timetable. Two questions
1. When does he take his break as the timetable is continuous from 0810 - 1735?
2. Is there an error on MXWM as all journeys from City run to Aston but only the first journey at 0810 starts from Aston with all others starting from One Stop?
Quote from: Matt on January 04, 2015, 08:45:39 PM
Quote from: fleetline6477 on January 04, 2015, 08:28:43 PM
Having seen his bus from a distance by Priory Queensway on Friday I've just looked at his timetable. Two questions
1. When does he take his break as the timetable is continuous from 0810 - 1735?
2. Is there an error on MXWM as all journeys from City run to Aston but only the first journey at 0810 starts from Aston with all others starting from One Stop?
Good spot - I've added up the total driving time according to the NWM timetable which comes to 8h 38m with a cumulative break of 47 min when adding up the turnaround times at each terminus. Doesn't that take him over his legal hours as you can't drive over 8h 30m without an uninterrupted break of at least 30 min?
Having said that, according to the timetable after each outbound trip in his 5 min (or less) "turnaround" time he must drive from Aston Hall Road to One Stop (which according to Google Maps takes 5 min in a car without traffic) so if that timetable is correct (and since it doesn't take account for travelling time to/from wherever he parks his bus) it is likely in reality he drives over 9 hours solid each day without any break
...ahhh the good old days, ay Matt?
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Is it me or would you say his destination displays are non compliant?
Going to
Birmingham 40X
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 09, 2015, 03:56:16 PM
Is it me or would you say his destination displays are non compliant?
Going to
Birmingham 40X
http://www.busphotography.co.uk/picture.php?/11015/category/382
(And yes, I managed to photo it without any hand signals or anything...then I boarded it when he came back round - 20 down!)
I saw the 40X enter City around 3.50pm this afternoon, it had nearly a full seated load and people standing, most were school kids too. Never seen that many people on it before!
So far it's 20 late and counting to depart city!
I must say though the driver is very friendly!
Just over a year since anyone said anything about this operator!
He has bought another bus. Y337 FJN
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/Hi-Ride/Y337FJN.html
& still doesn't like his picture being taken
Quote from: Tony on August 28, 2015, 07:07:11 PM
Just over a year since anyone said anything about this operator!
He has bought another bus. Y337 FJN
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/Hi-Ride/Y337FJN.html
Saw this from work the other day, assumed it was his! Love the ammended branding!
Quote from: Winston on August 28, 2015, 07:11:57 PM
& still doesn't like his picture being taken
How is he even driving that thing with the blind so low?
Quote from: Kevin on August 29, 2015, 11:16:08 AM
How is he even driving that thing with the blind so low?
it may of pulled it down while photo taken then back up again
Still incredibly dangerous, especially in the city centre where all it takes is a kid to run across the road quickly and him not see.
Quote from: trident4370 on August 29, 2015, 05:12:14 PM
Still incredibly dangerous, especially in the city centre where all it takes is a kid to run across the road quickly and him not see.
The bus was stationary when I took that photograph. Note the zigzags, there is a pedestrian crossing which was stopping traffic behind me
Quote from: Tony on August 29, 2015, 05:15:06 PM
The bus was stationary when I took that photograph. Note the zigzags, there is a pedestrian crossing which was stopping traffic behind me
If the bus wasn't moving then fair enough I guess.
He is back using the ex-Stagecoach Dart today
I do love the branding on the Green FJN Dart. One side reads 'Town & Aston Bus', another reads 'Town & Perry Barr Bus' and I can not remember the third version.
Public Inquiry (51716) to be held at The Public Inquiry Room, 38 George Road, Edgbaston, Birmingham, B15 1PL, on 17 December 2015 commencing at 10:30(Previous Publication:(2241)
)
PD0001044 SN
FERDINAND PELLINGTON T/A HI-RIDE COACHES
60 HOLLY ROAD, HANDSWORTH , BIRMINGHAM B20 2DB
PSV - S17 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 17 (The Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981)
PSV - Sch.3 - Consideration of Transport Managers Repute under Schedule 3 (The Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981)
PSV - S28 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 28 (The Transport Act 1985)
PSV - S155 - Consideration of a financial penalty under Section 155 of the Transport Act 2000
Guess there'll be no 40X running on that day, to the surprise of nobody.
Public Inquiry (51716) held at The Public Inquiry Room, 38 George Road, Edgbaston, Birmingham, B15 1PL on 17 December 2015 at 10:30(Previous Publication:(2242)
)PD0001044 Section 5.2 – Decisions Taken at Public Inquiries
SN
FERDINAND PELLINGTON T/A HI-RIDE COACHES
60 HOLLY ROAD, HANDSWORTH , BIRMINGHAM B20 2DB
• Adverse findings sections 17 (3) (a); 17 (3) (aa); 17 (3) (b); and 17 (3) (c) of the Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981 (the 1981 Act).
• The operator has failed to operate a local bus service registered with the Traffic Commissioner, section 26 (1) (a) of the Transport Act 1985 (the 1985 Act).
• The operator has operated a local bus service outside of the timings or route registered with the Traffic Commissioner, section 26 (1) (b) of the 1985 Act.
• Ferdinand Pellington retains repute as an operator.
• Ferdinand Pellington loses his repute as a transport manager and he no longer has the necessary good repute and professional competence that is required. He is disqualified from holding or applying for any transport manager position within the EU for a period until he attends a two day transport manager refresher course run by the FTA or by the RHA.
• A period of three months grace is granted.
• Authority is curtailed from three vehicles to 2 vehicles.
• The operator's licence is suspended from 11 January 2016 to 24 January 2016 inclusive.
• A financial penalty is imposed under section 155 of the Transport Act 2000. The penalty is £500 for each of the three vehicles authorised, total financial penalty is £1,500. Financial penalty is to be paid within a month.
@Solo1 - Thanks for posting the information about the Public Inquiry. That is interesting to hear.
@justlookingaround - Did you or anyone else on this forum manage to see if the 40X was running on the 17/12/2015.
Do Hi Ride have any other bus drivers. What happens when this bus driver is unable to work for some reason. Does the bus just not run. It is great though that he has managed to run the company entirely by himself. I can not think of any other bus operators in the UK that are entirely run by just one person (but there might be some others).
I am guessing that Y337 FJN is probably already DDA compliant but does anyone know if S453 CVV has been converted to DDA compliant yet. Also are these the only vehicles in the Hi Ride fleet or is there another third vehicle as well. I see that they have three vehicles authorised.
Also i just have a question for the moderators -
@Tony @Winston @Liverpool Street @Mike K - is there any chance that this thread can be renamed to "Hi Ride" instead of "40X" as this thread is mainly about the operator rather than being just about the route that they run and all of the other threads are named after the operator rather than the route. Thank you.
Quote from: countryliner on January 01, 2016, 11:28:16 PM
......... It is great though that he has managed to run the company entirely by himself. .............
It's not great in my opinion as his actions or lack of action resulted in the Public Inquiry and the penalties / restrictions imposed.
I consider that a failure to manage the company, after all he can hardly say he was unaware of how the service was operated!
@Bryan - Well it shows that it is possible to run a bus company entirely by yourself. I would say that Hi Ride have been quite a successful bus operator.
Also thank you to the moderators for renaming this thread.
Quote from: countryliner on January 02, 2016, 06:06:39 PM
@Bryan - Well it shows that it is possible to run a bus company entirely by yourself. I would say that Hi Ride have been quite a successful bus operator.
Wow....
Just.... Wow.
You really think a one man operation whose livery depends on whatever the previous operator's colours were, half covered the previous operator's logo with something in a different font to read "town and Aston bus", and doesn't run at all if he's ill classes as a successful bus operator?
Oh wait.... Sorry, does he give change?.......
Take it all back, he's awesome
To be fair, he (Hi-Ride) has been operating that route for some years now, though back when I lived in Bearwood (around 2007-2008) it ran between Bearwood and Perry Barr.
I believe it's over 20 years that he's operated that route & done it all single handidly so anyone that criticises a man that has done that for so long is bang out of order. This man deserves a lot of respect as he has survived head on competition with first petes travel & central connect & we'll he's still there when the others have all gone or left the route.
Let's see anyone else do that on their own.
He must be a very intelligent man
@Steveminor @Trident 4194 @Stu @Kevin - I completly agree with
@Steveminor about this. He has been running Hi Ride and operating this bus route for such a long time now and as
@Steveminor pointed out many other bus operators no longer even exist anymore. It can be a very hard job to run a bus company and the fact that he has done it all by himself is amazing. I think that he has done an excellent job with his company. I have been on his route 40X service quite a few times and it is an excellent service that i have absoulutly no complaints about at all. So i think that Hi Ride have actually been very successful. He deserves praise and respect not criticism for what he has achieved.
Quote from: Steveminor on January 02, 2016, 07:55:59 PM
I believe it's over 20 years that he's operated that route & done it all single handidly so anyone that criticises a man that has done that for so long is bang out of order. This man deserves a lot of respect as he has survived head on competition with first petes travel & central connect & we'll he's still there when the others have all gone or left the route.
Let's see anyone else do that on their own.
My thoughts on this comment is ................................................................!
PS the person criticising the operator and raising the penalties and restrictions was the Traffic Commissioner!
I'm fairly sure that before he started on the 40X he ran on the 70 Birmingham - Oxhill Road in the late 80s early 90s after WMT turned the 70 into the 76. The operator in question ran a yellow and black minibus of some sort.
I agree that he deserves everybody's respect to have worked hard as a sole trader on the 40X for so many years, acquiring different vehicles over the years and seeking to provide more modern buses. Whether what he has done in working alone so long is good practice is another question. I think too many operators begun by one person - Travel Express, AMPM Travel, Sandwell Travel have run into difficulty when they have expanded and not had the resources to maintain the vehicles and employ staff. I think deciding to operate into Birmingham City Centre has probably made him more visible.
I don't know of any other company that has worked in this way for so long. Central Logistics / Redwing Contracts operated for about 10 years with a father and his 2 sons firstly on the 17 and then switching to the 88E, I'm only aware of them operating the same 3 or 4 green Ivecos and a white Merc over those years. The outcome of a TC inquiry finished them off.
There was also another company around Bloxwich area called Vichester that ran a coach and a minibus on private hire and school contracts. I believe that was a long standing company operated by 2 brothers. Haven't seen them for a while the brothers may have retired.
Fair play to anybody who in a very competitive and tough industry is prepared to work hard at creating an identity, a route and sticking to it.
Is it a busy route though? I don't remember a Central Connect attempt to compete against it?
@Bryan - Many bus operators all over the UK get called to Public Inquiries by the Traffic Commissioner but it does not mean that they are a bad or unsuccessful bus operator.
@fleetline6477 - Thank for the info. That is interesting to hear. He has certainly done a good job with Hi Ride. I believe that Hi Ride have had 5 buses (Y337 FJN / S453 CVV / K131 LGO / H678 YGO / G447 LEP) and have had 1 coach (ANA 403Y).
@DiamondDart - I am sure that it must be busy enough as the route has managed to operate successfully for such a long time.
Quote from: countryliner on January 03, 2016, 03:12:21 PM
@Bryan - Many bus operators all over the UK get called to Public Inquiries by the Traffic Commissioner but it does not mean that they are a bad or unsuccessful bus operator.
@fleetline6477 - Thank for the info. That is interesting to hear. He has certainly done a good job with Hi Ride. I believe that Hi Ride have had 5 buses (Y337 FJN / S453 CVV / K131 LGO / H678 YGO / G447 LEP) and have had 1 coach (ANA 403Y).
@DiamondDart - I am sure that it must be busy enough as the route has managed to operate successfully for such a long time.
I guess there's a difference between a route that can support a sole trader and a big company with far bigger overheads. It can't be a dead duck though
@DiamondDart - Yes i suppose that the route 40X service must be doing very well for him to have operated it for such a long time.
Quote from: countryliner on January 03, 2016, 03:12:21 PM
@DiamondDart - I am sure that it must be busy enough as the route has managed to operate successfully for such a long time.
I like this talk of the route being successful...
40X was originally as per the 440 Perry Barr - Aston - Lozells - Handsworth - Soho - Bearwood.
Still the same bus number but completely different route. Doesn't really serve Aston anymore apart from the from city journeys that weirdly continue from Perry Barr to Aston Hall, and NOT back again (unless he does that bit unofficially)
Didn't hi ride run a 70 service before new st top half got closed to traffic using a red coach &wonder what the turnover is like
Quote from: fleetline6477 on January 03, 2016, 02:45:28 PM
I'm fairly sure that before he started on the 40X he ran on the 70 Birmingham - Oxhill Road in the late 80s early 90s after WMT turned the 70 into the 76. The operator in question ran a yellow and black minibus of some sort.
I agree that he deserves everybody's respect to have worked hard as a sole trader on the 40X for so many years, acquiring different vehicles over the years and seeking to provide more modern buses. Whether what he has done in working alone so long is good practice is another question. I think too many operators begun by one person - Travel Express, AMPM Travel, Sandwell Travel have run into difficulty when they have expanded and not had the resources to maintain the vehicles and employ staff. I think deciding to operate into Birmingham City Centre has probably made him more visible.
I don't know of any other company that has worked in this way for so long. Central Logistics / Redwing Contracts operated for about 10 years with a father and his 2 sons firstly on the 17 and then switching to the 88E, I'm only aware of them operating the same 3 or 4 green Ivecos and a white Merc over those years. The outcome of a TC inquiry finished them off.
There was also another company around Bloxwich area called Vichester that ran a coach and a minibus on private hire and school contracts. I believe that was a long standing company operated by 2 brothers. Haven't seen them for a while the brothers may have retired.
Fair play to anybody who in a very competitive and tough industry is prepared to work hard at creating an identity, a route and sticking to it.
@Solo1
I believe one of the issues that led to him coming to the tc attention was a report from centro that he was breaching sqp regulations by operating a bus in a former operators livery. Well I can see a point to an extent but it's hardly like he was running a tatty version of another midland operators livery & hadn't added his own branding to it albeit only town & aston but still.
@Steveminor - I think that his vehicles (Y337 FJN / S453 CVV) are fine. Although they are still painted in their previous operators liveries they still appear to be in good condition. Also he has added his own branding with route and fare information which is good. In my opinion i think that the vehicles look fine.
@Solo1 @Ashley 60171 - Do you know when Hi Ride stopped operating the route 70 service and started operating the route 40X service.
@Kevin - I believe that there is one morning journey that starts in Aston. But yes all of the other journeys start in Perry Barr.
Quote from: countryliner on January 04, 2016, 04:49:46 PM
@Steveminor - I think that his vehicles (Y337 FJN / S453 CVV) are fine. Although they are still painted in their previous operators liveries they still appear to be in good condition. Also he has added his own branding with route and fare information which is good. In my opinion i think that the vehicles look fine.
But he has signed up to the Birmingham SQPS that states you cannot use a vehicle in the previous operator's livery!
If he only had one vehicle he could have got away with claiming that was his livery, but when you use two vehicles, both in previous operator's livery you are breaching the SQPS
@Tony - Thanks for the info. Do all bus operators in the West Midlands have to sign up to the Birmingham SQPS or is it optional. Also does it still officially count as the previous operators liveries even though the fleetnames have been removed and his own branding has been applied. Also there are many bus operators in the UK (including in the West Midlands) that have more than one livery so surely he would be allowed to as well.
Quote from: countryliner on January 04, 2016, 06:19:36 PM
@Tony - Thanks for the info. Do all bus operators in the West Midlands have to sign up to the Birmingham SQPS or is it optional. Also does it still officially count as the previous operators liveries even though the fleetnames have been removed and his own branding has been applied. Also there are many bus operators in the UK (including in the West Midlands) that have more than one livery so surely he would be allowed to as well.
Every operator who runs into Birmingham City Centre within the inner ring road has to sign up for it, for operators of services with a frequency of less than every 20 minutes the emissions rules don't apply, but all other elements apply to everyone. Mr Pellington chose to change his 40X to run into the City Centre after SQPS started so knew what he was signing up for and hasn't abided by it.
It clearly mentioned running buses in a former operator's livery is not allowed.
In London, operators like Metroline have their old livery with the blue skirt and the current 100% red, but I could imagine TfL's reaction if someone started running a dart in the state of these two?
You seem to be of the opinion small is beautiful, but it is not, Quality is beautiful whatever the size and that is what the SQPS is trying to achieve
Quote from: countryliner on January 04, 2016, 06:19:36 PM
@Tony - Thanks for the info. Do all bus operators in the West Midlands have to sign up to the Birmingham SQPS or is it optional. Also does it still officially count as the previous operators liveries even though the fleetnames have been removed and his own branding has been applied. Also there are many bus operators in the UK (including in the West Midlands) that have more than one livery so surely he would be allowed to as well.
Further to my earlier reply
@countryliner you may like to read the Birmingham SQPS scheme
https://www.centro.org.uk/media/20830/SQPS_Full_Document_July2013.pdf
You will see that the 40X bus fails to meet the regulations on several counts which will be why Centro were not best pleased. The document states that failure to comply can result in the TC taking action including license revocation
@Tony - Thanks for the link to the document. That is interesting to read. However most ordinary non enthusiast bus passengers will probably not care what livery the bus has or what the bus looks like. Most passengers will just want to get to their destination and have cheap good value fares. So personally in my opinion i do not see the need for all operators to paint buses in to their livery.
Quote from: countryliner on January 05, 2016, 12:54:48 PM
@Tony - Thanks for the link to the document. That is interesting to read. However most ordinary non enthusiast bus passengers will probably not care what livery the bus has or what the bus looks like. Most passengers will just want to get to their destination and have cheap good value fares. So personally in my opinion i do not see the need for all operators to paint buses in to their livery.
@countryliner - regardless of your personal opinion, Mr Pellington agreed to comply & sign up to the SQSP rules. Therefore using other operators liveries doesn't meet the standards / his commitment
@Winston - Yes i see what you mean. However i just think that there are far more important and useful things that the SQPS could have focused on rather than bus operators liveries.
Quote from: countryliner on January 05, 2016, 01:20:04 PM
@Winston - Yes i see what you mean. However i just think that there are far more important and useful things that the SQPS could have focused on rather than bus operators liveries.
You mean more important thing than quality. I expect the existing passengers on the 40X may be happy with the service but is it going to attract Mondeo Man from his car, no!
NXWM have a problem at the moment where a few journies on platinum routes are now carrying standing passengers where numbers have grown since the vehicles were put on there. However nice the inside is, I bet they would not have grown passenger numbers as quickly if the outside looked like Hi-Rides darts
What are these many more useful things that SQPS seems to have forgotton?
@Tony - I personally think that the Hi Ride buses (Y337 FJN / S453 CVV) look fine. I think that a Hi Ride bus could attract passengers just as much (and maybe even more) as a National Express bus could. In my opinion the SQPS should focus on things that are going to benefit passengers more. These things in my opinion would be ensuring all buses give change / all buses issue return tickets / all buses charge fares based on distance rather than flat fares / introducing more bendy buses on busier routes instead of double deckers / etc.
Quote from: countryliner on January 05, 2016, 01:44:22 PM
@Tony - I personally think that the Hi Ride buses (Y337 FJN / S453 CVV) look fine. I think that a Hi Ride bus could attract passengers just as much (and maybe even more) as a National Express bus could. In my opinion the SQPS should focus on things that are going to benefit passengers more. These things in my opinion would be ensuring all buses give change / all buses issue return tickets / all buses charge fares based on distance rather than flat fares / introducing more bendy buses on busier routes instead of double deckers / etc.
Why do you keep banging on about change when it's been explained so many times to you?
Quote from: countryliner on January 05, 2016, 01:44:22 PM
@Tony - I personally think that the Hi Ride buses (Y337 FJN / S453 CVV) look fine. I think that a Hi Ride bus could attract passengers just as much (and maybe even more) as a National Express bus could. In my opinion the SQPS should focus on things that are going to benefit passengers more. These things in my opinion would be ensuring all buses give change / all buses issue return tickets / all buses charge fares based on distance rather than flat fares / introducing more bendy buses on busier routes instead of double deckers / etc.
I fail to see how the points you mention would improve things:
- Operating buses in existing operators liveries didn't do Travel Express any good / Hi-ride have simply bodged the branding on Y337FJN
- There is only you that have an issue with cash vaults / operators not all giving change - which has been explained many times
- Bendies take up too much garage / road space, are expensive to operator due to high fuel consumption / replacing turntables is costly etc - doesn't the pile of ex London Citaro's lying around the UK & Malta confirm this???
- the flat fare system keeps things simple / speeds up boarding times
Quote from: countryliner on January 05, 2016, 01:44:22 PM
@Tony - I personally think that the Hi Ride buses (Y337 FJN / S453 CVV) look fine. I think that a Hi Ride bus could attract passengers just as much (and maybe even more) as a National Express bus could. In my opinion the SQPS should focus on things that are going to benefit passengers more. These things in my opinion would be ensuring all buses give change / all buses issue return tickets / all buses charge fares based on distance rather than flat fares / introducing more bendy buses on busier routes instead of double deckers / etc.
So you would prefer to increase the risk of staff assults (staff carrying change), make fraud easier & the price of a ticket more complicated for a prospective passenger to work out (complicated fare scales) and reduce the number of seats on buses already full (bendis for deckers). Reduce the number of bus stops and services in Birmingham City Centre (bendis need longer stops than deckers so would allow fewer buses (with fewer seats) to use Birmingham City Centre
If you really think this bus http://wmbusphotos.com/Hi-Ride/S453CVV.html is going to attract the bloke out of the BMW behind then you really are living in cloud cuckoo land
<If it was going to, Stagecoach would still be using it!>
@Tony @Winston @MW - Well personally i think that all of these things that i have mentioned would have many more advantages than disadvantages and could really help to encourage more passengers. Most of the things that i have mentioned happen in many other cities and towns all over the UK where they work fine. Giving change and issuing return tickets and charging fares based on the distance travelled would make much more sense and i think would attract more passengers. Bendy Buses are far better than Double Deckers. They have a much larger capacity than Double Deckers and they can be ordered to many different specifications so if required they can be fitted with a larger amount of seats. Many people can not go upstairs on double deckers because they are elderly or have a disabillity and also many other people (including myself and other people as well) simply do not like going upstairs. Double deckers will also encourage a larger amount of anti social behavior and illegal activities. Bendy buses have a full low floor throughout and are bright and spacious. With the photo of S453 CVV - this bus looks fine (as does Y337 FJN) - i would happily travel on this bus (and have done so in the past). I think that this bus actually looks quite smart.
@countryliner - those suggestions may work fine in other cities where passengers are used to them - things work differently in the WM with the exact fare system, which has been in place before since I was born.... to change things now would cause more confusion / problems than benefits it would bring - if it ain't broke / don't fix it and all that!
If Bendi's are so beneficial, why has First Group withdrawn a large proportion of the original Wright Eclipse Fusion and not ordered any new Bendi's since the 58 plate Citaro's on York Park & Ride? Cymru FTR's are even for sale at Ensign Bus as First Group don't have / can't find a use for them. Stagecoach & Arriva don't buy bendi's, Arriva operate a few ex London Citaro's only.
Quote from: countryliner on January 05, 2016, 02:19:00 PM
@Tony @Winston @MW - Well personally i think that all of these things that i have mentioned would have many more advantages than disadvantages and could really help to encourage more passengers. Most of the things that i have mentioned happen in many other cities and towns all over the UK where they work fine. Giving change and issuing return tickets and charging fares based on the distance travelled would make much more sense and i think would attract more passengers. Bendy Buses are far better than Double Deckers. They have a much larger capacity than Double Deckers and they can be ordered to many different specifications so if required they can be fitted with a larger amount of seats. Many people can not go upstairs on double deckers because they are elderly or have a disabillity and also many other people (including myself and other people as well) simply do not like going upstairs. Double deckers will also encourage a larger amount of anti social behavior and illegal activities. Bendy buses have a full low floor throughout and are bright and spacious. With the photo of S453 CVV - this bus looks fine (as does Y337 FJN) - i would happily travel on this bus (and have done so in the past). I think that this bus actually looks quite smart.
I'm sorry countryliner but I am very tired of these very numerous comments / very boring questions, of very which are constructive. I suspect I may get banned from the forum because of this but people reply to your questions but you don't listen!
@Winston - Yes i see your point. However if these things work in other similar sized cities in the UK then i am sure that it would work in the West Midlands. With the bendy buses - Arriva / First / Go Ahead / Stagecoach all operated them in London - and Arriva also have six in Leicester and one at East Midlands Airport (they used to have some in Liverpool as well) but Stagecoach has never operated them outside of London. I think that the reason that Bendy Buses are so unpopular in the UK is Boris Johnson. If Boris Johnson had never become mayor then i am sure that we would still have bendy buses in London and all over the UK and they would still be very popular. I think that it was all of the lies and nonsense that Boris Johnson made up that is the real reason that they are so unpopular. If you look at other countries all over the world - such as Germany / Poland / Russia / etc - bendy buses are very popular and are the main type of bus in all of their cities and towns. I think that more bus operators all across the UK should really consider buying more bendy buses.
@Bryan - I am just simply stating my opinions and views which everyone on this forum is entitled to do. I do actually always listen to other members replies as well and take their views and opinions in to consideration but i am just stating my opinions and views as well.
Quote from: countryliner on January 05, 2016, 03:28:49 PM
@Winston - Yes i see your point. However if these things work in other similar sized cities in the UK then i am sure that it would work in the West Midlands. With the bendy buses - Arriva / First / Go Ahead / Stagecoach all operated them in London - and Arriva also have six in Leicester and one at East Midlands Airport (they used to have some in Liverpool as well) but Stagecoach has never operated them outside of London. I think that the reason that Bendy Buses are so unpopular in the UK is Boris Johnson. If Boris Johnson had never become mayor then i am sure that we would still have bendy buses in London and all over the UK and they would still be very popular. I think that it was all of the lies and nonsense that Boris Johnson made up that is the real reason that they are so unpopular. If you look at other countries all over the world - such as Germany / Poland / Russia / etc - bendy buses are very popular and are the main type of bus in all of their cities and towns. I think that more bus operators all across the UK should really consider buying more bendy buses.
@Bryan - I am just simply stating my opinions and views which everyone on this forum is entitled to do. I do actually always listen to other members replies as well and take their views and opinions in to consideration but i am just stating my opinions and views as well.
No, Bendi buses are unpopular because they are less reliable, less seats, less fuel efficient than a double deckers. They have their place on routes with lots of passengers travelling very short distances like the London Red Arrow network, but there are no similar routes in Birmingham.
When they were 'in fashion' 20-15 years ago they attracted passengers through novelty value, but come and ask passengers on the 900 or 957 route in Birmingham and ask them whether they prefer a 70 seat double deck or a 60 seat Bendi and the answer will not be the bendi, they already don't like standing
Quote from: countryliner on January 05, 2016, 03:28:49 PM
@Winston - Yes i see your point. However if these things work in other similar sized cities in the UK then i am sure that it would work in the West Midlands. With the bendy buses - Arriva / First / Go Ahead / Stagecoach all operated them in London - and Arriva also have six in Leicester and one at East Midlands Airport (they used to have some in Liverpool as well) but Stagecoach has never operated them outside of London. I think that the reason that Bendy Buses are so unpopular in the UK is Boris Johnson. If Boris Johnson had never become mayor then i am sure that we would still have bendy buses in London and all over the UK and they would still be very popular. I think that it was all of the lies and nonsense that Boris Johnson made up that is the real reason that they are so unpopular. If you look at other countries all over the world - such as Germany / Poland / Russia / etc - bendy buses are very popular and are the main type of bus in all of their cities and towns. I think that more bus operators all across the UK should really consider buying more bendy buses.
@Bryan - I am just simply stating my opinions and views which everyone on this forum is entitled to do. I do actually always listen to other members replies as well and take their views and opinions in to consideration but i am just stating my opinions and views as well.
Arriva / First / Go-Ahead & Stagecoach all operated bendi's in London as that is what Tfl dictated / the tender spec's called for, not by choice - therefore, I don't see what you're getting at. Stagecoach & Arriva have never bought bendi buses for their provincial operations even in large cities. The Arriva ones at Leicester were ex London and moved there the same time as Arriva dispatched a load to Malta & Go-Ahead moved some to North East / subsequently Brighton & Konnect Bus have a few, I suspect these were owned rather the leased.
Bendi buses may be popular in Europe, but they're not here, people like a seat and don't like to stand for any length of time.
Bendi's are useful on Park & Ride / Airport transfers & odd busy short distance routes - in the main double deckers are the preferred people mover in the UK & I don't see this changing
No more UK operators will consider buying bendi buses (especially new) for bus operation other than stated above, the dealers can't even shift the ex London Citaro's which are going for peanuts.... they have remained stored throughout the UK
@Tony @Winston - Bendy Buses can be very useful though especially on busy routes with high numbers of passengers and can be suited to both short and long distance routes. I am sure that there will actually be quite a few passengers who would prefer to have Bendy Buses instead of Double Deckers because of the many advantages that i have listed in my previous posts. Some normal Single Deck and Double Deck buses can be just as unreliable (or even more unreliable) as some Bendy Buses can be. Also i must say that i am surprised that hardly any bus operators have bought these ex London Bendy Buses especially as they are being sold for very cheap prices and are fully DDA compliant. I personally hope that more Bendy Buses get used in the UK in the future.
Quote from: countryliner on January 05, 2016, 04:16:04 PM
@Tony @Winston - Bendy Buses can be very useful though especially on busy routes with high numbers of passengers and can be suited to both short and long distance routes. I am sure that there will actually be quite a few passengers who would prefer to have Bendy Buses instead of Double Deckers because of the many advantages that i have listed in my previous posts. Some normal Single Deck and Double Deck buses can be just as unreliable (or even more unreliable) as some Bendy Buses can be. Also i must say that i am surprised that hardly any bus operators have bought these ex London Bendy Buses especially as they are being sold for very cheap prices and are fully DDA compliant. I personally hope that more Bendy Buses get used in the UK in the future.
You've hit the nail on the head there! Hardly any bus operators have bought any of the surplus ex London bendi's as they simply don't want them & don't see the passenger growth being generated by using them that you do! This is when they are practically been given away / when demand for fleet replacement is higher due to new DDA rules coming in to force on single deckers & within less than 12 months double deckers. The evidence of large quantities of surplus ex London bendi's unwanted / sat around doing nothing or being scrapped speaks volumes.....
Bendi's are no good for long distance bus operation due to their poor fuel consumption largely due to weight - unless manufacturers are prepared to build a light weight / fuel efficient bendi for the UK market which matches current buying policies bendi's have a limited future in the UK (mainly restricted to airport transfer & park & ride )
You've hit the nail square on the head
@Winston bendy buses have a higher fuel consumption & higher maintenance cost per mile per head capacity than any other vehicle on the market. In fact it's cheaper to run 2 Darts with higher capacity than one articulated bus. Would they work in birmingham simple answer NO believe it or not sunny travel were offered 2 bendy mercs virtually free so we looked into the costings to run them & it just didn't stack up. Nxwm have tried several times & it just hasn't worked out.
Re giving change well I'm glad nxwm don't give change as it puts more passengers on our buses although if we had the amounts of money going through our buses as nxwm have through there's then we would run a vault system it's simply too dangerous in this city for the drivers.
But can we please now go back on thread.
Quote from: countryliner on January 05, 2016, 02:19:00 PM
@Tony @Winston @MW - Well personally i think that all of these things that i have mentioned would have many more advantages than disadvantages and could really help to encourage more passengers. Most of the things that i have mentioned happen in many other cities and towns all over the UK where they work fine. Giving change and issuing return tickets and charging fares based on the distance travelled would make much more sense and i think would attract more passengers. Bendy Buses are far better than Double Deckers. They have a much larger capacity than Double Deckers and they can be ordered to many different specifications so if required they can be fitted with a larger amount of seats. Many people can not go upstairs on double deckers because they are elderly or have a disabillity and also many other people (including myself and other people as well) simply do not like going upstairs. Double deckers will also encourage a larger amount of anti social behavior and illegal activities. Bendy buses have a full low floor throughout and are bright and spacious. With the photo of S453 CVV - this bus looks fine (as does Y337 FJN) - i would happily travel on this bus (and have done so in the past). I think that this bus actually looks quite smart.
I'm sorry countryliner but I am very tired of these very numerous comments / very boring questions, of very which are not constructive. I suspect I may get banned from the forum because of this but people reply to your questions but you don't listen!
Quote from: countryliner on January 05, 2016, 02:19:00 PM
@Tony @Winston @MW - Well personally i think that all of these things that i have mentioned would have many more advantages than disadvantages and could really help to encourage more passengers. Most of the things that i have mentioned happen in many other cities and towns all over the UK where they work fine. Giving change and issuing return tickets and charging fares based on the distance travelled would make much more sense and i think would attract more passengers. Bendy Buses are far better than Double Deckers. They have a much larger capacity than Double Deckers and they can be ordered to many different specifications so if required they can be fitted with a larger amount of seats. Many people can not go upstairs on double deckers because they are elderly or have a disabillity and also many other people (including myself and other people as well) simply do not like going upstairs. Double deckers will also encourage a larger amount of anti social behavior and illegal activities. Bendy buses have a full low floor throughout and are bright and spacious. With the photo of S453 CVV - this bus looks fine (as does Y337 FJN) - i would happily travel on this bus (and have done so in the past). I think that this bus actually looks quite smart.
Good for you, but please join the real world, the majority of the the UK do not like Bendi buses. Seating capacity is reduced for travelers and they are more expensive for operators to run!
This has all been said before many times on this forum by you and if I see again the mention by you of giving change with operators I will scream and submit a complaint!
@Steveminor @Winston - Yes i do see what you mean. However i definetly think that bendy buses were really suited to all of the routes that they ran on in London. They are definetly far more suitable than the awful Borismaster buses that replaced them (which in my opinion are the worst type of bus that has ever been built). If Boris Johnson had never become the mayor then bendy buses would still be in service in London and we would not have this problem of having huge numbers of bendy buses sitting in storage yards all over the UK. It is a shame and i hope that more bus operators will find uses for them soon. With the exact fare policy - at least it will encourage many passengers to use the small independent change giving operators instead - but it is certainly not good for National Express passengers.
@Bryan - I actually think that there are many people (including myself) who really like bendy buses. Also if you do not like my posts you do not have to read or reply to them. I am just stating my views and opinions. You can make a complaint about me if you want to but as far as i am aware i have not broken any of the forum rules.
This thread does seem to be going very off topic though so i think that it would indeed be a very good idea if we just go back to discussing and talking about Hi Ride.
Quote from: countryliner on January 05, 2016, 11:23:38 PM
Yes i do see what you mean. With the exact fare policy - at least it will encourage many passengers to use the small independent change giving operators instead - but it is certainly not good for National Express passengers.
How is the exact fare policy not good for NX passengers when it has worked fine for years and passengers are used to it?
@2206 - Just in my personal opinion i do not think that it is good for customers for all of the reasons that i have mentioned in all my posts in the past. Not giving change is bad customer service and some passengers will not always have the exact fare on them and therefore some of them might have to overpay. I know that some people are fine with the exact fare system but i think that it is always better for bus operators to give change (although i know that many people on this forum disagree with me). Also i think that we should probably try to stay more on topic if possible as this does not really have anything to do with Hi Ride.
Exact fare is quicker loading
@Solo1 - In my opinion i really do not think that having an exact fare policy does anything to speed up boarding times or to increase driver safety. Many other large bus operators in other large cities manage fine. I think that if National Express started to give change they would manange fine as well. But back on the subject of Hi Ride - does anyone know if S453 CVV has been converted to DDA compliant yet - i am guessing that it probably has been so that it can be used when Y337 FJN is not available.
Quote from: countryliner on January 06, 2016, 01:00:45 PM
@Solo1 - In my opinion i really do not think that having an exact fare policy does anything to speed up boarding times or to increase driver safety. Many other large bus operators in other large cities manage fine. I think that if National Express started to give change they would manange fine as well. But back on the subject of Hi Ride - does anyone know if S453 CVV has been converted to DDA compliant yet - i am guessing that it probably has been so that it can be used when Y337 FJN is not available.
@countryliner People of the West Midlands are used to exact fares and are made aware of it. No one, from my knowledge causes this debate in the West Midlands. As you are clearly not from the West Midlands, you may not be aware of what the people of the West Midlands actually want.
People in the West Midlands are used to using change. A person from outside the midlands may not know this but at main boarding points, such as Railway Stations, this information is available.
Also, using a quote from a Buses magazine article, "It took the bus 90 seconds to load the passenger, if it wasn't exact fairs, this would of probably taken 10 minutes" Therefore
@Solo1 is correct.
I am also confused at your view on BendyBuses. Look at First Cymru's FTR's. They are getting ride of them and they are only around 3 years old... Why? Because they are to costly to run and have to have to go onto 1 particular route. With Double Deckers, there is more flexibility on what routes buses can operate as there are less tight corners to stop a bendy in its tracks. Also, staff need to be trained to drive Bendy's and there wage compared to a normal bus driver is probably higher.
Now can this be the last time that "Exact Fares" can even be mentioned on this forum. And if you have to reply, rather than clogging up Hi Ride's posts. Just PM me... Also, Hi Ride doesn't even have BendyBuses so I don't know how that subject come up either...
Exact fares topic has been exhausted to death - posts relating to Hi-ride only from now on, Winston
PD0001044/1 - FERDINAND PELLINGTON T/A HI-RIDE COACHES, 60 HOLLY ROAD, HANDSWORTH, BIRMINGHAM, B20 2DB
Variation Accepted: Operating between WATERLOO ROAD, SMETHWICK and ASTON SIXWAYS given service number 40X effective from 07-Mar-2016. To amend Timetable
@Solo1 - That is interesting to hear. I wonder what the new timetable changes for the 40X will be.
http://www.route-one.net/legal/owner-driver-asked-to-consider/
QuoteBirmingham owner-driver Ferdinand Pellington, 72, was advised by Traffic Commissioner (TC) Nick Jones to consider whether he wished to continue in operation in the future, after concluding that he did not think he had the expertise to run his one local service on time.
The TC cut Mr Pellington's licence from three vehicles to two, suspended it and his vocational driving licence for two months, and ordered him to pay a financial penalty of £1,500.
He also disqualified Mr Pellington from acting as a Transport Manager (TM) until he had undertaken a two-day refresher course, giving him three months' grace to operate without a qualified TM.
Warning that if a further investigation revealed that the service was still not running to time he would consider banning Mr Pellington from operating local services, revoking his licence and imposing the maximum financial penalty, the TC said that if he chose to surrender his licence he would accept it.
Mr Pellington, trading as Hi-Ride Coaches, of Holly Road, Handsworth, Birmingham, with a three-vehicle national licence, had been called before the TC at a Birmingham Public Inquiry (PI) because of concern over vehicle maintenance and bus service punctuality.
At the outset the TC said that the financial evidence was only sufficient for two vehicles.
Vehicle Examiner (VE) Andrew Male said that he carried out a maintenance investigation following the issue of a delayed prohibition for an oil leak. The authorised operating centre at Smethwick was not being used and the one bus in possession at the time was being operated from Mr Pellington's home.
There was plenty of room for the bus in what was once a large garden. A recent BOAM investigation highlighted that there was no spare bus for Mr Pellington's service. He had indicated that he might purchase a spare bus. There was room for one other bus at the house provided it was no longer than the current Dennis Dart.
The VE said that on viewing the inspection records he was concerned they did not clearly show where or by whom the vehicles were being inspected. No defects were recorded, the declaration fit for service was never signed, no mileages were recorded, and no tyre depths or brake efficiencies shown.
He called at Endeavour Coaches, the nominated maintenance contractor, and staff there told him that though they had carried out some repairs, they did not carry out inspections for Mr Pellington. He established that Mr Pellington carried out inspections himself at his house.
There was no hard standing and the ground was uneven. There was no cover and the site was totally unsuitable for carrying out any kind of thorough inspection.
Mr Pellington had since signed a maintenance contract with a third party. The inspection records were now quite good.
Traffic Examiner (TE) Kathrine Cox said that during a routine PSV check in June at Perry Barr it was noted that Mr Pellington's 40X service failed to run when it was due at 1000hrs. At 1140hrs the bus arrived driven by Mr Pellington. Asked why the 1000hrs journey did not run, he stated that he had carried out some business in town and had dropped out of service.
It was discovered that Mr Pellington did not hold a Driver CPC and was completely unaware of the requirement to do so. A monitoring exercise was carried out between 6 and 25 July.
Of the 21 journeys monitored, 11 were seen and 10 failed to operate. Overall there was an 85% non-compliance rate.
When Mr Pellington visited the TE on 19 June, he said that the service was not being run because he had to visit her. He had since acquired another bus.
After Mr Pellington had said that the problems had been due to traffic, the TC said that the timetable needed to be more sophisticated. Traffic problems were not a reasonable excuse when only 15% of the services ran to time.
Mr Pellington had had a licence for 20 years and this was his first PI. He was a small operator who had "been under the radar", evidenced by the fact that he did not realise as TM that he needed a Driver CPC to drive his bus.
Mr Pellington said that he had mistaken his TM's CPC for the Driver CPC. He undertook to revise the service timetable and to go on a two-day TM's refresher course.
After being asked why he had not operated the service while obtaining his Driver CPC, he said that he had to shut it down as he could not get a relief driver. The TC commented that that was not a reasonable excuse. Mr Pellington admitted that the service was not running that day for the same reason.
Another operator that appears to need to be brought back into touch with regulations on service provision and safety by the TC.
I liked the section that mentioned 'Traffic Examiner (TE) Kathrine Cox said that during a routine PSV check in June at Perry Barr it was noted that Mr Pellington's 40X service failed to run when it was due at 1000hrs. At 1140hrs the bus arrived driven by Mr Pellington. Asked why the 1000hrs journey did not run, he stated that he had carried out some business in town and had dropped out of service.'!!!
Obviously an operator, when also taking into account the other failures to operate the service, who does not care much for passengers or potential customer loyalty.
@justlookingaround @Bryan - That is interesting to hear. But i think that the TC and the DVSA are just being very unfair especially as he has operated for so long. He has operated the route successfully and without any problems for such a long time and for so many years that i think that it is unneccesary for the TC and DVSA to come along and say all these things and put these fines and restrictions in place. I personally think that Hi Ride are a very good operator and i am sure that he does care about his company and his passengers. I have met him a few times on the 40X and he seems like a really nice person who knows what he is doing with his company. I am sure that some people on this forum will disagree with me about this but this is just my opinion on this.
Quote from: countryliner on February 04, 2016, 05:39:26 AM
... i think that it is unneccesary for the TC and DVSA to come along and say all these things and put these fines and restrictions in place. I personally think that Hi Ride are a very good operator and i am sure that he does care about his company and his passengers.....
Quote from: Bryan on February 03, 2016, 07:18:11 PM
.... Asked why the 1000hrs journey did not run, he stated that he had carried out some business in town and had dropped out of service....
So is this the sort of thing you get up to down south then?
"sorry I'm over an hour late I had some personal business to attend to"
I echo another member's comment
You're hilarious
Operated "under the radar" is one of the comments about his operation that says it all.
Quote from: Kevin on February 04, 2016, 06:46:50 AM
So is this the sort of thing you get up to down south then?
"sorry I'm over an hour late I had some personal business to attend to"
I echo another member's comment
You're hilarious
DVSA recorded 15% reliability. That means if you relied upon the 40x to get you to work you would arrive on time 3 Times a month.
Perfectly acceptable in Countryliner'a world
Quote from: Tony on February 04, 2016, 07:47:39 AM
DVSA recorded 15% reliability. That means if you relied upon the 40x to get you to work you would arrive on time 3 Times a month.
Perfectly acceptable in Countryliner'a world
It's also not good if you rely on the service to get to a doctor's or hospital appointment, a job interview, a funeral or to catch a train etc etc.
Putting forward a flippant thought, you have an urgent hospital appointment and the 40X does not turn up. You could be dead before the next 40X bus arrives, as the owner decides not to operate the service for the next day or two due to a CPC course or for some other reason.
Seriously though, it's necessary that the TC's take action against operators like this, be they big or small. As a comparison, Trading Standards wouldn't accept that a TV that worked well some days but didn't on others was acceptable (would Countryliner?).
Quote from: countryliner on February 04, 2016, 05:39:26 AM
@justlookingaround @Bryan - That is interesting to hear. But i think that the TC and the DVSA are just being very unfair especially as he has operated for so long. He has operated the route successfully and without any problems for such a long time and for so many years that i think that it is unneccesary for the TC and DVSA to come along and say all these things and put these fines and restrictions in place. I personally think that Hi Ride are a very good operator and i am sure that he does care about his company and his passengers. I have met him a few times on the 40X and he seems like a really nice person who knows what he is doing with his company. I am sure that some people on this forum will disagree with me about this but this is just my opinion on this.
If he is failing to operate his services then I don't see how they're being unfair on him. If he is the only driver in the company then his company does not stand a chance. If he cared about his passengers then he would have a spare bus and a spare driver, and would not miss journeys for personal reasons.
He has 2 buses in previous ops livery but only 1 driver the owner .when dies he take his break as no gap
Quote from: Solo1 on February 04, 2016, 09:48:44 PM
He has 2 buses in previous ops livery but only 1 driver the owner .when dies he take his break as no gap
At the end of his shift ;)
Quote from: Solo1 on February 04, 2016, 09:48:44 PM
He has 2 buses in previous ops livery but only 1 driver the owner .when dies he take his break as no gap
Whenever and wherever he wants. As has been the case
He got lucky anyway. Other Traffic Commissioners would have revoked him on the spot. And who could blame them? It'd be completely different if he had a spare driver to rely on when needed, as well as a whole load of other things.
Just need to see what this new timetable is like. Perhaps he should be giving himself a one hour lunch break so he can go do his business in town instead of missing out a journey. After all you can't do a full day's work without one.
You have to remember that he is a one person bus operator. He does everthing 100% by himself so he is not going to be able to do everything that other larger bus operators can do. Whenever i have used the 40X it has always been on time and gone along the correct route. The fact that he has operated successfully and that his company has survived for such a long time shows that he is doing well and clearly knows what he is doing.
Quote from: countryliner on February 06, 2016, 01:16:42 AM
You have to remember that he is a one person bus operator. He does everthing 100% by himself so he is not going to be able to do everything that other larger bus operators can do. Whenever i have used the 40X it has always been on time and gone along the correct route. The fact that he has operated successfully and that his company has survived for such a long time shows that he is doing well and clearly knows what he is doing.
Sorry that's no excuse!
It doesn't make a blind bit of difference if he's a one man band (it's his choice), I am a one man band & do everything myself (not in the bus industry). If you're a service provider, people aren't interested if you're on your own / off sick / need to pop in to town on some personal business. They just want you to provide the service that you've said you're going to. If he can't do everything himself, he needs to take on staff, if he's off sick / needs some time off, he needs to emply an agency driver. He can't register a service then run it as/when he can he feels like it.
Out of interest how many times a year do you use his 40X service?
@Winston - I see what you mean. But i am sure that he only occasionally is not able to run the service. I doubt that it is a very regular occurance. I probably use the 40X on average around 8 to 12 times a year. If i remember correctly i believe that i used it 10 times during 2015.
Quote from: countryliner on February 06, 2016, 01:16:42 AM
You have to remember that he is a one person bus operator. He does everthing 100% by himself so he is not going to be able to do everything that other larger bus operators can do. Whenever i have used the 40X it has always been on time and gone along the correct route. The fact that he has operated successfully and that his company has survived for such a long time shows that he is doing well and clearly knows what he is doing.
Whilst I agree that Mr. Pelington has to be commended for attempting to run his operation as a sole trader you cannot claim that he 'clearly knows what he is doing.' According to the report from the TC enquiry there were long-term errors in recording information on inspection records and quoting Mr. Pelington he didn't realise that he needed a driver CPC to drive his bus. This to me is evidence of somebody who 'clearly doesn't know what he is doing.'
Quote from: countryliner on February 06, 2016, 05:30:19 AM
@Winston - I see what you mean. But i am sure that he only occasionally is not able to run the service. I doubt that it is a very regular occurance. I probably use the 40X on average around 8 to 12 times a year. If i remember correctly i believe that i used it 10 times during 2015.
DVSA recorded an 85% fail rate when monitoring his service, so it is a regular occurance.
Your comments about DVSA and the TC picking on small ops, a couple of figures for you.
In 2015 NXWM operated 98.7% of their registered mileage
Several garages achieved 100% MoT pass rate (industry average around 80%)
Perhaps that's why DVSA haven't called NXWM to a PI. I suspect the majority of the big groups have similar figures
Quote from: Tony on February 06, 2016, 04:32:43 PM
DVSA recorded an 85% fail rate when monitoring his service, so it is a regular occurance.
Your comments about DVSA and the TC picking on small ops, a couple of figures for you.
In 2015 NXWM operated 98.7% of their registered mileage
Several garages achieved 100% MoT pass rate (industry average around 80%)
Perhaps that's why DVSA haven't called NXWM to a PI. I suspect the majority of the big groups have similar figures
For an operator who has 40 to 50 years experience, in various guises, not counting municpal days, they should know how to run a bus service!
How the heck can you be relied on, if you are a one man band operation?
Even the company I work for (retail related) has an excellent support network for our shops.
Say for example, a store has a serious incident preventing normal trading, our support network can swing into action within a few hours.
If a serious incident happened at a NX garage, preventing normal operation, NX can pull buses from around the system within a few hours.
Arriva could, I suppose. Diamond presumbly.
I do hope the other smaller operators do have a back up plan?
@fleetline6477 - But if he did not know what he was doing then surely his company would not have survived for this long.
@Tony - Thanks for the info. But i have personally seen some large big group bus operators run early and skip out parts of bus routes and fail to operate certain journeys. So the large big group bus operators do all this but the DVSA and the TC never seem to do much about it.
@Westy - He has made efforts to have back up plans. For example he now has two vehicles (Y337 FJN / S453 CVV) in his bus fleet.
S453 isn't dda so can't be used.
@Tony - Thanks for the info. But i have personally seen some large big group bus operators run early and skip out parts of bus routes and fail to operate certain journeys. So the large big group bus operators do all this but the DVSA and the TC never seem to do much about it.
Yes, big groups do fail to operate, will send buses off route for various reason, as I put NX Bus operated 98.7% of mileage, which means they didn't operate 1.3% of it, so quite a few buses over the year didn't run. A lot of that is down to factors out of NX's hands, Lots of mileage was missed on Thursday due to Birmingham's whole road network stopping for hours.
What you completely fail to understand is TC's will ask an operator why a bus is 'off-route, not operating, running early' if they see it, big operators, and good small operators will have every bit of it recorded, so when the TC asks will have a reasonable answer for the reason.
'I needed to go to the bank' is not a good reason.
No small operator has had his license revoked after being caught missing mileage or running early, that normally generates a fine which is multiplied by the number of discs that operator holds, so the penalty is exactly in proportion for whatever size of fleet is being operated.
Revocations are nearly always for running dangerous vehicles, or complete disregard to instructions or advise already given by the TC at a previous PI, and those are things big operators do not do
Quote from: countryliner on February 06, 2016, 06:28:38 PM
@fleetline6477 - But if he did not know what he was doing then surely his company would not have survived for this long.
I agree that his company has survived a long time. During that time legislation about driver hours, VCR, CPC.. have changed considerably. If he hasn't kept himself up-to-date with new requirements and made appropriate changes to his practice then he clearly doesn't know what he is doing.
@Steveminor - I see what you mean. I had always thought that he had probably converted S453 CVV to DDA compliant. Do you know if he has any plans to convert this bus to DDA compliant or to buy any additional vehicles to use when Y337 FJN is not available.
@Tony - I see your point. But the thing is the compliance rates might not always be accurate. For example the inspectors might check the buses when the operator is just having a bad week and are normally much more compliant. Also they could check the buses when an operator is just having a good week but are normally much less compliant. So it is not always going to be that accurate.
@fleetline6477 - It can be hard for some companies to keep up to date with all the changes to regulations and everything like that. As far as i am aware the DVSA do not go around informing every bus operator of every change that happens.
The thing with compliance is it is taken as a percentage which is a little unfair to smaller companies. If for example nx has one bus breakdown then with the amount of buses on a route that may only result in a 1% failure rate whereas if say a banga 891 breaks down then that's a 50% failure rate where the Tc will take action.
@Steveminor - Yes i completely agree with that. It does definetly make it a lot more unfair especially for the smaller independent bus operators.
Quote from: Steveminor on February 07, 2016, 03:01:06 AM
The thing with compliance is it is taken as a percentage which is a little unfair to smaller companies. If for example nx has one bus breakdown then with the amount of buses on a route that may only result in a 1% failure rate whereas if say a banga 891 breaks down then that's a 50% failure rate where the Tc will take action.
But surely there are more breakdowns at NX that will effect this and make it more even?
Also, if you are referring to a whole day of a bus not running, then surely a replacement will be sent out...
I recall that once a 360 (De Courcey, Coventry) broke down and just 6 mins later a replacement turned up which was brilliant. The bus managed to catch up with it schedule and I arrived at Tesco ontime...
Sorry for going slightly of topic with my example...
Quote from: Adam 404 on February 07, 2016, 07:18:20 AM
But surely there are more breakdowns at NX that will effect this and make it more even?
Also, if you are referring to a whole day of a bus not running, then surely a replacement will be sent out...
I recall that once a 360 (De Courcey, Coventry) broke down and just 6 mins later a replacement turned up which was brilliant. The bus managed to catch up with it schedule and I arrived at Tesco ontime...
Sorry for going slightly of topic with my example...
Now Adam, you are completely correct. If vehicles are maintained to the same standard for every breakdown a 10 vehicle operator has NX will have 150 so the percentage of lost mileage over the year will be the same.
I guarantee you NX'S compliance rate declared is correct as it is recorded automatically. It's then up to the member of staff who deleted any to put the reason in to match
Adam I'm not suggesting all day but during the time of monitoring plus nxwm has lots of 10 min or less frequency routes where so long as a bus is seen every 10 mins they are compliant. A lot of other operators don't have that luxury.
Tony I'm not disputing nx compliancy ratl trae just pointing ouvel t that the % based way of monitoring is screwed towards the larger operator.
When it comes to maintenance well sometimes no matter how much money time & effort you spend on a bus something WILL break forcing the bus off the road. Social travel had a 10 plate solo gearbox fail. A new box was fitted by allison which failed again within a few hours.
Quote from: countryliner on February 06, 2016, 06:28:38 PM
@Tony - Thanks for the info. But i have personally seen some large big group bus operators run early and skip out parts of bus routes and fail to operate certain journeys. So the large big group bus operators do all this but the DVSA and the TC never seem to do much about it.
I swore I would never respond to you again, but...
TCs are realistic about mileage and puntuality. If the operator
has a good reason why a journey hasn't run, or it was delayed, or whatever, they are pragmatic about it. In an urban area such as Birmingham, it is simply not possible for a firm of NX's size to operate 100.00% of its registered mileage, and equally if the smaller firms are caught in the same congestion then they have a good reason not to have operated too.
What is not a legitimate reason for failure to operate is excessive breakdowns, driver shortages, not enough buses etcetera - or the best one of all, from one of the West Midlands cowboys who you continually defend, of not having any(!) roadworthy buses for a couple of weeks.
Where I am, there is one small operator that appears to operate its buses to the same standards as its taxis, i.e. very low ones indeed. Drivers do exactly as they please, early running is rife, failure to operate, chunks of route missed to beat the competition, dangerous driving, picking up and dropping off between stops... the list is endless. It has absolutely no place in the bus industry, but has been operating to these standards for well over a decade and has not, to my knowledge, ever been pulled up for it. That would suggest that your theory that TCs are somehow out to get the smaller cowboys is wrong.
Quote from: countryliner on February 07, 2016, 02:34:47 AM
@fleetline6477 - It can be hard for some companies to keep up to date with all the changes to regulations and everything like that. As far as i am aware the DVSA do not go around informing every bus operator of every change that happens.
More garbage. It is a requirement of being a Transport Manager that the post holder is coversant with any and all changes in regulation pertaining to PSV operation, and there are numerous ways in which to do so. Trade magazines, industry organisations such as the Confederation of Passenger Transport, etc.
It was found in a Public Inquiry not too long ago that any TM that doesn't keep up with regulatory change is liable to be found to have lost their repute, a serious situation to be in.
Quote from: Steveminor on February 07, 2016, 09:26:41 AM
Adam I'm not suggesting all day but during the time of monitoring plus nxwm has lots of 10 min or less frequency routes where so long as a bus is seen every 10 mins they are compliant. A lot of other operators don't have that luxury.
Tony I'm not disputing nx compliancy ratl trae just pointing ouvel t that the % based way of monitoring is screwed towards the larger operator.
When it comes to maintenance well sometimes no matter how much money time & effort you spend on a bus something WILL break forcing the bus off the road. Social travel had a 10 plate solo gearbox fail. A new box was fitted by allison which failed again within a few hours.
And NX has the same problems happening in larger numbers, hence why percentages are fair
856; 857; 2201; 2202; 6101; 6123; 6138; 6704; 6714; 6723 of last year's deliveries are not being used today for various reasons
The thing is that small independent bus operators do not have the same resources as the large big group bus operators. They will not always have spare vehicles and spare drivers available all the time. Also it can sometimes be impossible to get a spare vehicle out straight away if a bus brakes down. For example for some of the operators that i work for we operate bus routes that run up to 44 miles away from the depot so it can sometimes take at least two hours to get a spare vehicle out.
Quote from: countryliner on February 08, 2016, 04:17:53 PM
The thing is that small independent bus operators do not have the same resources as the large big group bus operators. They will not always have spare vehicles and spare drivers available all the time. Also it can sometimes be impossible to get a spare vehicle out straight away if a bus brakes down. For example for some of the operators that i work for we operate bus routes that run up to 44 miles away from the depot so it can sometimes take at least two hours to get a spare vehicle out.
If a company does not have the funds for a second vehicle or driver to use as a spare then the company does not have the funds to be running a bus service. Similarly, if an operator is running routes 44 miles away from their depot then its not an efficient operation as there's a huge amount of dead mileage required there and the company should realistically be looking at moving premises or opening an outstation to reduce the amount of dead mileage...
Quote from: T840MAK on February 08, 2016, 04:50:40 PM
If a company does not have the funds for a second vehicle or driver to use as a spare then the company does not have the funds to be running a bus service. Similarly, if an operator is running routes 44 miles away from their depot then its not an efficient operation as there's a huge amount of dead mileage required there and the company should realistically be looking at moving premises or opening an outstation to reduce the amount of dead mileage...
An operation 44 miles away from depot would come under EU rules as well so would need the bus to be tacho fitted and the driver working under EU hours so would be even more inneficiant
anyone got the new 40x timetable as the network one is the old one & its changed route
Apparently the 40X had accident earlier just outside of One Stop. I'm told it hit the railings.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 17, 2016, 05:39:50 PM
Apparently the 40X had accident earlier just outside of One Stop. I'm told it hit the railings.
how's the driver &how bad the bus like I said does he have a spare he could use that's dda
There is a way to get round DDA and has been used by various operators to keep Mercedes minibuses in service - reclassify as a coach and remove the standing requirement. Maybe that is what has been done to the S-CVV Dart, but who knows. I don't condone DDA dodging anyway as operators have had plenty of time to follow the regulations and replace their fleet if necessary.
Shame about the accident though, obviously he is not having a great year so far.
If there was an accident, it was the Stagecoach liveried Dart as the green Y-FJN dart was out yesterday
On network West midlands site it has a dress of hi ride as 316 bearwood rd the old bearwood coaches address in thought he was based in hook rd &depot on an industrial estate in Handsworth
No he is based at his own house. Where his back garden is where he stores his buses - remember the DVSA weren't pleased about that as they did not believe he could do his inspections properly due to how it was. Have a look at Google Street View. You'd be surprised, very self-sufficient, but maybe too self sufficient.
Quote from: justlookingaround on March 29, 2016, 05:17:32 PM
No he is based at his own house. Where his back garden is where he stores his buses - remember the DVSA weren't pleased about that as they did not believe he could do his inspections properly due to how it was. Have a look at Google Street View. You'd be surprised, very self-sufficient, but maybe too self sufficient.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.5064341,-1.9230904,3a,75y,141.53h,83.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqFq6hUrUMWhbQUtJqLDXLg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
Quote from: Adam 404 on March 29, 2016, 05:40:10 PM
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.5064341,-1.9230904,3a,75y,141.53h,83.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqFq6hUrUMWhbQUtJqLDXLg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1
An interesting view, very compact!
Quote from: Bryan on March 29, 2016, 07:54:39 PM
An interesting view, very compact!
That must be one of the few registration plates not obscured by Google
40X is now on the same bus stops as the 11 by Winson Green tram stop.
Route change?
Yes. PDF is here.
http://journeyplanner.networkwestmidlands.com/Timetables/Download/cen_2840X_X_H_y11/4/Hi-Ride%20Coaches_40X/True
You can find the old time table here, I'm sure you'll notice a few things that are different.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:F1XbQI4hrkwJ:journeyplanner.networkwestmidlands.com/Timetables/Download/cen_2840X_X_H_y11/3/Hi-Ride%2520Coaches_40X/True+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
PD0001044/1 - FERDINAND PELLINGTON T/A HI-RIDE COACHES, 60 HOLLY ROAD, HANDSWORTH, BIRMINGHAM, B20 2DB
Variation Accepted: Operating between WATERLOO ROAD, SMETHWICK and ASTON SIXWAYS given service number 40X effective from 07-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable
Quote from: Solo1 on May 11, 2016, 04:01:38 PM
PD0001044/1 - FERDINAND PELLINGTON T/A HI-RIDE COACHES, 60 HOLLY ROAD, HANDSWORTH, BIRMINGHAM, B20 2DB
Variation Accepted: Operating between WATERLOO ROAD, SMETHWICK and ASTON SIXWAYS given service number 40X effective from 07-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable
"Route Change around Heath Street"
"New printed timetable"(Page 14)
More information in the most up-to-date Service Changes PDF as attached below
When did the 40X start going to Bearwood again?
Quote from: OH25 on July 10, 2016, 01:11:12 PM
When did the 40X start going to Bearwood again?
3 July but on the timetable when does he take a break for lunch
Quote from: OH25 on July 10, 2016, 01:11:12 PM
When did the 40X start going to Bearwood again?
I can't keep up with his route changes! It's basically the 11 between Bearwood and Perry Barr, but going up to One Stop. May as well just renumber it 11E!
My question is after problems with the TC why not employ one more driver I mean and a engender who has a degree and buy a small garage is that to much to ask from Hi Ride
Quote from: BusFan94 on July 10, 2016, 04:17:18 PM
My question is after problems with the TC why not employ one more driver I mean and a engender who has a degree and buy a small garage is that to much to ask from Hi Ride
Obviously it is
Quote from: BusFan94 on July 10, 2016, 04:17:18 PM
My question is after problems with the TC why not employ one more driver I mean and a engender who has a degree and buy a small garage is that to much to ask from Hi Ride
What's an engender? :o
think he means engineer & he uses his house to park his 2 buses the address is that of bearwood coaches
Quote from: Solo1 on July 10, 2016, 01:53:54 PM
3 July but on the timetable when does he take a break for lunch
Why has the bus stops between Bearwood and City Hospital been updated then?
Quote from: Solo1 on July 10, 2016, 01:53:54 PM
3 July but on the timetable when does he take a break for lunch
If you look at the timetable yourself you should easily be able to figure it out!
Quote from: justlookingaround on July 10, 2016, 09:41:52 PM
If you look at the timetable yourself you should easily be able to figure it out!
10 minutes break I see &the last trip runs light from Bearwood to Perry Barr to run a short trip
Quote from: Solo1 on July 10, 2016, 10:53:12 PM
10 minutes break I see &the last trip runs light from Bearwood to Perry Barr to run a short trip
He must have his lunch break from 12.00pm when he gets to Winson Green and start again in Handsworth at 1pm heading towards Perry Barr
Strange, as I can't see that 12pm to 1pm gap.
https://journeyplanner.networkwestmidlands.com/Timetables/Download/cen_2840X_X_H_y11/6/Hi-Ride%20Coaches_40X/True
The timetable had no room for traffic delays comes in & straight back out without any drop back &no break unless
he has another driver to take over
So basically after that public inquiry the timetable was halved in distance taken with a break...and now it's been registered back to the way it was? Won't look good if true.
Did the operator take a bad hit in takings with the old timetable perhaps? Maybe a new route is needed entirely.
Vosa /networkwest midlands need to check to see if hi ride are using 2 drivers or not due to drivers hours
Did he not used to follow the old 440 / 123 route between Perry Barr originally?
I would suggest as parts of that route are no longer served by a bus at all anymore, and quite a few links were lost when the 123 was cut he could be better off following that round that route again: it worked for years after all
I know he uses his house to park the buses but don't you think somebody could vandalise them and looking at the picture there is hardly for maintenance if Mr "Ellington buy's a garage it would save more TC trouble and not only that more passengers would use the service knowing they are safe and reliable.
40X has broken down on City Road
so the service is not running today
Is S453 CVV still in use?
How come he hasn't painted his buses into a fleet livery I know it costs money to paint a bus
Quote from: Solo1 on February 12, 2017, 09:49:49 AM
How come he hasn't painted his buses into a fleet livery I know it costs money to paint a bus
Whatever bus he is using is his fleet livery....
Hi ride reminds me of travel express all colours I'll have a green day or I'll have a stagecoach day thought after all those years he would of painted the 2 buses
Public Inquiry (74855) to be held at The Public Inquiry Room (Birmingham), B15 1PL, 38 George Road, Edgbaston, Birmingham, on 21 June 2017 commencing at 10:00
PD0001044 SN
FERDINAND PELLINGTON
FERDINAND PELLINGTON
60 HOLLY ROAD, HANDSWORTH, BIRMINGHAM, B20 2DB
S17 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 17 (The Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981)
Sch.3 - Consideration of Transport Managers Repute under Schedule 3 (The Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981)
S26 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 26 (The Transport Act 1985)
S28 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 28 (The Transport Act 1985)
Well thats him finished then
Certainly it may be the case if he is still doing the same that got him the previous PI.
I applaud people who do everything by them self but with this industry they can't be completely self-reliant, you can't just take a day off service because you have something else to do, which will no doubt happen on the day of the PI, as the last PI was the same.
Do things right and you'll be fine, do things wrong and you just get into trouble.
Seen the 40x out earlier on city road so still going ATM
Quote from: vinh1000 on June 15, 2017, 10:52:07 AM
Seen the 40x out earlier on city road so still going ATM
Well the PI isn't until next Wednesday, you'll just have to check if it runs then, because he didn't get it covered with another driver last time.
Anything come out of that Public Inquiry yet or is it too early to expect anything?
Still running saw him on city road this morning just after 9am going to bearwood
les Act 1981)
Section 5.2 – Decisions Taken at Public Inquiries
Public Inquiry (74855) held at The Public Inquiry Room (Birmingham), B15 1PL, 38 George
Road, Edgbaston, Birmingham, on 21 June 2017 commenced at 10:00 (Previous
Publication:(2294))
PD0001044 SN
FERDINAND PELLINGTON
FERDINAND PELLINGTON
60 HOLLY ROAD, HANDSWORTH, BIRMINGHAM, B20 2DB
1. "Pursuant to Section 26(1) of the Transport Act 1985, I prohibit Ferdinand
Pellington from using vehicles to provide local bus services of any description. This
prohibition will take effect at 0001 hours on 10 September 2017.
2. Pursuant to Section 17(3)(e) of the Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981, I am
varying the licence so that not more than one vehicle may be operated. This variation
has immediate effect."
Section 5.3 – Notice of Transport Manager Public Inquiries to be Held
Doesn't he already use one veichel
Letting him keep the license for private hires if need be but banning him from operating bus services, just like GRS then. Surprised the Traffic Commissioner didn't just revoke the license altogether or ended his service immediately.
Route-One Magazine has reported on the Public Inquiry: (http://www.route-one.net/magazines/emag/routeone701/pubData/source/routeone701.pdf)
QuoteA second appearance before a Traffic Commisisoner (TC) for a high rate of noncompliance with a local service timetable between Perry Barr and Bearwood has led to Birmingham-based Ferdinand Pellington, trading as Hi-Ride Coaches, being banned from operating local services with effect from 10 September by TC Nick Denton. In addition, the TC cut the licence held by Mr Pellington, of Handsworth, Birmingham, from two vehicles to one on financial grounds. At a previous Public Inquiry (PI) in 2015 when service punctuality was also an issue, TC Nick Jones warned that any further failures were likely to result in Mr Pellington being banned from operating local services.
The TC said that Traffic Examiner (TE) Robert Lees reported that during a monitoring exercise over 13 days on Mr Pellington's service, of 58 journeys monitored 19 failed to operate and 32 ran more than five minutes late, giving an overall failure rate of 87%. There seemed not to have been any improvement since the previous PI. Mr Pellington said that he was not aware of any complaints from passengers. Problems had been caused by roadworks at Bearwood and at the main turning point, which started without warning and ran from July until December. He could not alter the timetable as he had just started operating the service in July. He had had in mind to vary the service but before he put a variation in the roadworks finished. After the TC pointed out that roadworks could not be the reasons for failures to operate, Mr Pellington said there must have been breakdowns and he had been unable to hire in.
The TE said that a further small monitoring exercise was carried out in February and March. The nine journeys monitored resulted in a noncompliance rate of 22%. There were no layover times at either end in the timetable. It did not comply with the domestic drivers' hours rules. Though Mr Pellington had been observed taking breaks they were not built into the timetable. In his decision, the TC said that in 2015 TC Jones had said that Mr Pellington clearly lacked the skills to design a workable timetable and suggested that he buy in help to do that. He did not buy in outside assistance but proceeded to design and implement a timetable which was incompatible with drivers' hours rules and allowed no recovery time between services.
Like his predecessor, he also concluded that Mr Pellington, while clearly inept at designing and running to timetable, was not a dishonest man, nor had the failings jeopardised anyone's safety. He was not therefore making an adverse finding against his good repute as an operator or transport manager. He was aware that Mr Pellington's business might no longer be viable once he could not operate a local service. He might wish to surrender the licence, as TC Jones suggested he should think of doing in December 2015.
Just seen in this week's RouteOne Magazine that Hi-Ride Y337 FJN is up for sale...