Today marks the sad occasion of Diamond Bus running their last 4M into Merry Hill. The bus used on the final arrival was recently purchased 30408 PO58KPY which was formerly of Kent Top Travel and still sports it's stickers for the Canterbury Park and Ride.
We shall miss the hourly service from Merry Hill and hope NXWM can keep such a much loved service going.
I agree-such a shame as the 4M seemed, at least to me, fairly well used and the danger of axing individual routes is the loss of a network, thus meaning less people will buy monthlies and weeklies. I guess the 4H is being enhanced, though but the other service to Merry Hill I think will ultimately be axed is the 226, which I reckon would have been axed long ago if it weren't for them running the evening/sundays anyway. Odd that it isn't listed as a diamond value service with the returns when it used to have buses plastered with promotions for return fares!!
its looks like only services that have the value tickets are the one that compete with travel wm
Quote from: Solo1 on January 25, 2014, 10:00:12 PM
its looks like only services that have the value tickets are the one that compete with travel wm
142 doesn't compete with NXWM and the 401E is slightly different to NX services.... You could argue the 4H is a different service as well as it runs to Hayley Green which NX don't do
It is a shame if I'm honest. I always thought it was a bit strange that, amongst the myriad of frequent "local" routes to and from Merry Hill, the major routes like the 4M direct from West Brom and the 141 from Brum are only every half hour, surely these warrant double that?
Quote from: Kevin on January 25, 2014, 10:07:47 PM
It is a shame if I'm honest. I always thought it was a bit strange that, amongst the myriad of frequent "local" routes to and from Merry Hill, the major routes like the 4M direct from West Brom and the 141 from Brum are only every half hour, surely these warrant double that?
I guess the argument would be that the 4M was every 20 mins with 2 NX departures and 1 diamond. I guess people are unlikely to go from somewhere like Birmingham to Merry Hill, especially as Merry Hill is mostly just a shopping destination. I would like to see services from Birmingham enhanced though as a 30 min frequency is a bit poor.
Quote from: Kevin on January 25, 2014, 10:07:47 PM
It is a shame if I'm honest. I always thought it was a bit strange that, amongst the myriad of frequent "local" routes to and from Merry Hill, the major routes like the 4M direct from West Brom and the 141 from Brum are only every half hour, surely these warrant double that?
The 99 provided a 15 minute frequency between Birmingham and Merry Hill, but this was withdrawn. The 4M/289 provided a 15 minute frequency between West Bromwich and Merry Hill, but as we know the 289 was cut short. In a way isn't the NX 4M a victim of its own success?
I never saw a 4M with any more than 4/5 passengers aboard and if you spoke to the drivers they used to say it was dead from Blackheath so I'm not surprized at it's withdrawl.
Quote from: 4747 on January 26, 2014, 11:43:38 AM
I never saw a 4M with any more than 4/5 passengers aboard and if you spoke to the drivers they used to say it was dead from Blackheath so I'm not surprized at it's withdrawl.
The NXWM 4M's seem busy enough, maybe it was the hourly frequency that Diamond were offering the deterred people from using it? Had it been a half hourly frequency & slotted in between NXWM's to provide a combined 15 min service, would Diamond have had more success?
maybe but the BCC 217 didn't carry many to Merry Hill hence why it also eventually fizzled out
Quote from: 4747 on January 26, 2014, 01:15:28 PM
maybe but the BCC 217 didn't carry many to Merry Hill hence why it also eventually fizzled out
Are there any other commercial services that you consider Diamond shouldn't have withdrawn from?
Quote from: Winston on January 26, 2014, 01:28:04 PM
Quote from: 4747 on January 26, 2014, 01:15:28 PM
maybe but the BCC 217 didn't carry many to Merry Hill hence why it also eventually fizzled out
Are there any other commercial services that you consider Diamond shouldn't have withdrawn from?
The Walsall to Dudley corridor, for personal reasons!
Quote from: 4747 on January 26, 2014, 11:43:38 AM
I never saw a 4M with any more than 4/5 passengers aboard and if you spoke to the drivers they used to say it was dead from Blackheath so I'm not surprized at it's withdrawl.
I went on it many times and regularly seemed to be carrying quite good loads, often busier than the 4H
Quote from: Westy on January 26, 2014, 01:34:40 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 26, 2014, 01:28:04 PM
Quote from: 4747 on January 26, 2014, 01:15:28 PM
maybe but the BCC 217 didn't carry many to Merry Hill hence why it also eventually fizzled out
Are there any other commercial services that you consider Diamond shouldn't have withdrawn from?
The Walsall to Dudley corridor, for personal reasons!
The 311 was starting to have good loadings until they changed the route and called it the 300
Quote from: 4747 on January 29, 2014, 07:51:04 AM
Quote from: Westy on January 26, 2014, 01:34:40 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 26, 2014, 01:28:04 PM
Quote from: 4747 on January 26, 2014, 01:15:28 PM
maybe but the BCC 217 didn't carry many to Merry Hill hence why it also eventually fizzled out
Are there any other commercial services that you consider Diamond shouldn't have withdrawn from?
The Walsall to Dudley corridor, for personal reasons!
The 311 was starting to have good loadings until they changed the route and called it the 300
When did this happen out of interest? Was it in BCC days as I have a timetable for the 300/310
If the 4M had been every half hour I think they would have had a better chance. I don't think they were able to compete considering that NXWM service was double the frequency. Out of interest, what are NXWM's loadings like on the 4H?
The 300/310 is one corridor which i don't think should have been withdrawn. From memory BCC were on the 310 for quite some time.
I also thought the 217 used to be well used, but I know they started playing around with the route, diverting it via Lion Farm between Oldbury and Blackheath in the later years. Did it get curtailed to run to Blackheath only at one point?
Finally, the 007 running Merry Hill - Bromsgrove is another service which I would have liked Diamond to have stuck at commercially. If the reliability issues with the buses hadn't have been an issue, I'm pretty sure it would have been used. I used to use Ludlow's 007 frequently, and bar the last placement bus from Bromsgrove to Halesowen at 17:25, the loadings always seemed quite healthy.
Quote from: sonic84 on January 29, 2014, 07:53:39 PM
If the 4M had been every half hour I think they would have had a better chance. I don't think they were able to compete considering that NXWM service was double the frequency. Out of interest, what are NXWM's loadings like on the 4H?
The 300/310 is one corridor which i don't think should have been withdrawn. From memory BCC were on the 310 for quite some time.
I also thought the 217 used to be well used, but I know they started playing around with the route, diverting it via Lion Farm between Oldbury and Blackheath in the later years. Did it get curtailed to run to Blackheath only at one point?
Finally, the 007 running Merry Hill - Bromsgrove is another service which I would have liked Diamond to have stuck at commercially. If the reliability issues with the buses hadn't have been an issue, I'm pretty sure it would have been used. I used to use Ludlow's 007 frequently, and bar the last placement bus from Bromsgrove to Halesowen at 17:25, the loadings always seemed quite healthy.
I couldn't agree more. Diamond compete best when frequencies are high eg 4/4H/301 and less well on services like the 50 and 16... NX loadings on the 4H are pretty poor after Blackheath, compared to Diamond.
The 202 still seems to do ok but I agree a shame the 007 was withdrawn commercially.
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 29, 2014, 08:11:13 PM
Quote from: sonic84 on January 29, 2014, 07:53:39 PM
If the 4M had been every half hour I think they would have had a better chance. I don't think they were able to compete considering that NXWM service was double the frequency. Out of interest, what are NXWM's loadings like on the 4H?
The 300/310 is one corridor which i don't think should have been withdrawn. From memory BCC were on the 310 for quite some time.
I also thought the 217 used to be well used, but I know they started playing around with the route, diverting it via Lion Farm between Oldbury and Blackheath in the later years. Did it get curtailed to run to Blackheath only at one point?
Finally, the 007 running Merry Hill - Bromsgrove is another service which I would have liked Diamond to have stuck at commercially. If the reliability issues with the buses hadn't have been an issue, I'm pretty sure it would have been used. I used to use Ludlow's 007 frequently, and bar the last placement bus from Bromsgrove to Halesowen at 17:25, the loadings always seemed quite healthy.
I couldn't agree more. Diamond compete best when frequencies are high eg 4/4H/301 and less well on services like the 50 and 16... NX loadings on the 4H are pretty poor after Blackheath, compared to Diamond.
The 202 still seems to do ok but I agree a shame the 007 was withdrawn commercially.
I think part of the problem with NX's 4H is that it terminates at Halesowen rather than matching Diamond's 4H with the Hayley Green loop
Quote from: Winston on January 29, 2014, 08:12:38 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 29, 2014, 08:11:13 PM
Quote from: sonic84 on January 29, 2014, 07:53:39 PM
If the 4M had been every half hour I think they would have had a better chance. I don't think they were able to compete considering that NXWM service was double the frequency. Out of interest, what are NXWM's loadings like on the 4H?
The 300/310 is one corridor which i don't think should have been withdrawn. From memory BCC were on the 310 for quite some time.
I also thought the 217 used to be well used, but I know they started playing around with the route, diverting it via Lion Farm between Oldbury and Blackheath in the later years. Did it get curtailed to run to Blackheath only at one point?
Finally, the 007 running Merry Hill - Bromsgrove is another service which I would have liked Diamond to have stuck at commercially. If the reliability issues with the buses hadn't have been an issue, I'm pretty sure it would have been used. I used to use Ludlow's 007 frequently, and bar the last placement bus from Bromsgrove to Halesowen at 17:25, the loadings always seemed quite healthy.
I couldn't agree more. Diamond compete best when frequencies are high eg 4/4H/301 and less well on services like the 50 and 16... NX loadings on the 4H are pretty poor after Blackheath, compared to Diamond.
The 202 still seems to do ok but I agree a shame the 007 was withdrawn commercially.
I think part of the problem with NX's 4H is that it terminates at Halesowen rather than match Diamond's 4H with the Hayley Green loop
Precisely and the Hayley Green loop on the 4H is a pretty decent moneyspinner for diamond I reckon. Plus the diamond 4H is essentially the old 417 and that always seemed to do ok. I wonder how long NXWM will keep the 4H for though...
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 29, 2014, 08:14:17 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 29, 2014, 08:12:38 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 29, 2014, 08:11:13 PM
Quote from: sonic84 on January 29, 2014, 07:53:39 PM
If the 4M had been every half hour I think they would have had a better chance. I don't think they were able to compete considering that NXWM service was double the frequency. Out of interest, what are NXWM's loadings like on the 4H?
The 300/310 is one corridor which i don't think should have been withdrawn. From memory BCC were on the 310 for quite some time.
I also thought the 217 used to be well used, but I know they started playing around with the route, diverting it via Lion Farm between Oldbury and Blackheath in the later years. Did it get curtailed to run to Blackheath only at one point?
Finally, the 007 running Merry Hill - Bromsgrove is another service which I would have liked Diamond to have stuck at commercially. If the reliability issues with the buses hadn't have been an issue, I'm pretty sure it would have been used. I used to use Ludlow's 007 frequently, and bar the last placement bus from Bromsgrove to Halesowen at 17:25, the loadings always seemed quite healthy.
I couldn't agree more. Diamond compete best when frequencies are high eg 4/4H/301 and less well on services like the 50 and 16... NX loadings on the 4H are pretty poor after Blackheath, compared to Diamond.
The 202 still seems to do ok but I agree a shame the 007 was withdrawn commercially.
I think part of the problem with NX's 4H is that it terminates at Halesowen rather than match Diamond's 4H with the Hayley Green loop
Precisely and the Hayley Green loop on the 4H is a pretty decent moneyspinner for diamond I reckon. Plus the diamond 4H is essentially the old 417 and that always seemed to do ok. I wonder how long NXWM will keep the 4H for though...
It's already been running some time, so they must do okay off it? I still think NX should consider extending it or even potentially do the Hayley Green loop in the opposite direction to Diamond which would cover some of the stops that the 142 previously served from Feb onwards
Quote from: Winston on January 29, 2014, 08:17:17 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 29, 2014, 08:14:17 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 29, 2014, 08:12:38 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 29, 2014, 08:11:13 PM
Quote from: sonic84 on January 29, 2014, 07:53:39 PM
If the 4M had been every half hour I think they would have had a better chance. I don't think they were able to compete considering that NXWM service was double the frequency. Out of interest, what are NXWM's loadings like on the 4H?
The 300/310 is one corridor which i don't think should have been withdrawn. From memory BCC were on the 310 for quite some time.
I also thought the 217 used to be well used, but I know they started playing around with the route, diverting it via Lion Farm between Oldbury and Blackheath in the later years. Did it get curtailed to run to Blackheath only at one point?
Finally, the 007 running Merry Hill - Bromsgrove is another service which I would have liked Diamond to have stuck at commercially. If the reliability issues with the buses hadn't have been an issue, I'm pretty sure it would have been used. I used to use Ludlow's 007 frequently, and bar the last placement bus from Bromsgrove to Halesowen at 17:25, the loadings always seemed quite healthy.
I couldn't agree more. Diamond compete best when frequencies are high eg 4/4H/301 and less well on services like the 50 and 16... NX loadings on the 4H are pretty poor after Blackheath, compared to Diamond.
The 202 still seems to do ok but I agree a shame the 007 was withdrawn commercially.
I think part of the problem with NX's 4H is that it terminates at Halesowen rather than match Diamond's 4H with the Hayley Green loop
Precisely and the Hayley Green loop on the 4H is a pretty decent moneyspinner for diamond I reckon. Plus the diamond 4H is essentially the old 417 and that always seemed to do ok. I wonder how long NXWM will keep the 4H for though...
It's already been running some time, so they must do okay off it? I still think NX should consider extending it or even potentially do the Hayley Green loop in the opposite direction to Diamond which would cover some of the stops that the 142 previously served from Feb onwards
I think the walsall-blackheath section must subsidise the rest of the route...
Or diamond could introduce a Halesowen circular, serving the Hayley Green loop and the old 142 stops, at a fairly decent frequency like the 401e-short routes with fast turnaround
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 29, 2014, 08:19:22 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 29, 2014, 08:17:17 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 29, 2014, 08:14:17 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 29, 2014, 08:12:38 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 29, 2014, 08:11:13 PM
Quote from: sonic84 on January 29, 2014, 07:53:39 PM
If the 4M had been every half hour I think they would have had a better chance. I don't think they were able to compete considering that NXWM service was double the frequency. Out of interest, what are NXWM's loadings like on the 4H?
The 300/310 is one corridor which i don't think should have been withdrawn. From memory BCC were on the 310 for quite some time.
I also thought the 217 used to be well used, but I know they started playing around with the route, diverting it via Lion Farm between Oldbury and Blackheath in the later years. Did it get curtailed to run to Blackheath only at one point?
Finally, the 007 running Merry Hill - Bromsgrove is another service which I would have liked Diamond to have stuck at commercially. If the reliability issues with the buses hadn't have been an issue, I'm pretty sure it would have been used. I used to use Ludlow's 007 frequently, and bar the last placement bus from Bromsgrove to Halesowen at 17:25, the loadings always seemed quite healthy.
I couldn't agree more. Diamond compete best when frequencies are high eg 4/4H/301 and less well on services like the 50 and 16... NX loadings on the 4H are pretty poor after Blackheath, compared to Diamond.
The 202 still seems to do ok but I agree a shame the 007 was withdrawn commercially.
I think part of the problem with NX's 4H is that it terminates at Halesowen rather than match Diamond's 4H with the Hayley Green loop
Precisely and the Hayley Green loop on the 4H is a pretty decent moneyspinner for diamond I reckon. Plus the diamond 4H is essentially the old 417 and that always seemed to do ok. I wonder how long NXWM will keep the 4H for though...
It's already been running some time, so they must do okay off it? I still think NX should consider extending it or even potentially do the Hayley Green loop in the opposite direction to Diamond which would cover some of the stops that the 142 previously served from Feb onwards
I think the walsall-blackheath section must subsidise the rest of the route...
Or diamond could introduce a Halesowen circular, serving the Hayley Green loop and the old 142 stops, at a fairly decent frequency like the 401e-short routes with fast turnaround
A number it the 006 :P
They had one of those......
Quote from: Winston on January 29, 2014, 08:38:50 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 29, 2014, 08:19:22 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 29, 2014, 08:17:17 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 29, 2014, 08:14:17 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 29, 2014, 08:12:38 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 29, 2014, 08:11:13 PM
Quote from: sonic84 on January 29, 2014, 07:53:39 PM
If the 4M had been every half hour I think they would have had a better chance. I don't think they were able to compete considering that NXWM service was double the frequency. Out of interest, what are NXWM's loadings like on the 4H?
The 300/310 is one corridor which i don't think should have been withdrawn. From memory BCC were on the 310 for quite some time.
I also thought the 217 used to be well used, but I know they started playing around with the route, diverting it via Lion Farm between Oldbury and Blackheath in the later years. Did it get curtailed to run to Blackheath only at one point?
Finally, the 007 running Merry Hill - Bromsgrove is another service which I would have liked Diamond to have stuck at commercially. If the reliability issues with the buses hadn't have been an issue, I'm pretty sure it would have been used. I used to use Ludlow's 007 frequently, and bar the last placement bus from Bromsgrove to Halesowen at 17:25, the loadings always seemed quite healthy.
I couldn't agree more. Diamond compete best when frequencies are high eg 4/4H/301 and less well on services like the 50 and 16... NX loadings on the 4H are pretty poor after Blackheath, compared to Diamond.
The 202 still seems to do ok but I agree a shame the 007 was withdrawn commercially.
I think part of the problem with NX's 4H is that it terminates at Halesowen rather than match Diamond's 4H with the Hayley Green loop
Precisely and the Hayley Green loop on the 4H is a pretty decent moneyspinner for diamond I reckon. Plus the diamond 4H is essentially the old 417 and that always seemed to do ok. I wonder how long NXWM will keep the 4H for though...
It's already been running some time, so they must do okay off it? I still think NX should consider extending it or even potentially do the Hayley Green loop in the opposite direction to Diamond which would cover some of the stops that the 142 previously served from Feb onwards
I think the walsall-blackheath section must subsidise the rest of the route...
Or diamond could introduce a Halesowen circular, serving the Hayley Green loop and the old 142 stops, at a fairly decent frequency like the 401e-short routes with fast turnaround
A number it the 006 :P
They had one of those......
Anyone any idea why it failed when the Hayley Green section of the 4H seems to do well?
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 29, 2014, 09:01:20 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 29, 2014, 08:38:50 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 29, 2014, 08:19:22 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 29, 2014, 08:17:17 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 29, 2014, 08:14:17 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 29, 2014, 08:12:38 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 29, 2014, 08:11:13 PM
Quote from: sonic84 on January 29, 2014, 07:53:39 PM
If the 4M had been every half hour I think they would have had a better chance. I don't think they were able to compete considering that NXWM service was double the frequency. Out of interest, what are NXWM's loadings like on the 4H?
The 300/310 is one corridor which i don't think should have been withdrawn. From memory BCC were on the 310 for quite some time.
I also thought the 217 used to be well used, but I know they started playing around with the route, diverting it via Lion Farm between Oldbury and Blackheath in the later years. Did it get curtailed to run to Blackheath only at one point?
Finally, the 007 running Merry Hill - Bromsgrove is another service which I would have liked Diamond to have stuck at commercially. If the reliability issues with the buses hadn't have been an issue, I'm pretty sure it would have been used. I used to use Ludlow's 007 frequently, and bar the last placement bus from Bromsgrove to Halesowen at 17:25, the loadings always seemed quite healthy.
I couldn't agree more. Diamond compete best when frequencies are high eg 4/4H/301 and less well on services like the 50 and 16... NX loadings on the 4H are pretty poor after Blackheath, compared to Diamond.
The 202 still seems to do ok but I agree a shame the 007 was withdrawn commercially.
I think part of the problem with NX's 4H is that it terminates at Halesowen rather than match Diamond's 4H with the Hayley Green loop
Precisely and the Hayley Green loop on the 4H is a pretty decent moneyspinner for diamond I reckon. Plus the diamond 4H is essentially the old 417 and that always seemed to do ok. I wonder how long NXWM will keep the 4H for though...
It's already been running some time, so they must do okay off it? I still think NX should consider extending it or even potentially do the Hayley Green loop in the opposite direction to Diamond which would cover some of the stops that the 142 previously served from Feb onwards
I think the walsall-blackheath section must subsidise the rest of the route...
Or diamond could introduce a Halesowen circular, serving the Hayley Green loop and the old 142 stops, at a fairly decent frequency like the 401e-short routes with fast turnaround
A number it the 006 :P
They had one of those......
Anyone any idea why it failed when the Hayley Green section of the 4H seems to do well?
It seemed busy enough when operated by Ludlows, probably mainly concessionary passes though & maybe it didn't pay with Diamond's larger overheads
Quote from: Winston on January 29, 2014, 09:16:43 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 29, 2014, 09:01:20 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 29, 2014, 08:38:50 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 29, 2014, 08:19:22 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 29, 2014, 08:17:17 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 29, 2014, 08:14:17 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 29, 2014, 08:12:38 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 29, 2014, 08:11:13 PM
Quote from: sonic84 on January 29, 2014, 07:53:39 PM
If the 4M had been every half hour I think they would have had a better chance. I don't think they were able to compete considering that NXWM service was double the frequency. Out of interest, what are NXWM's loadings like on the 4H?
The 300/310 is one corridor which i don't think should have been withdrawn. From memory BCC were on the 310 for quite some time.
I also thought the 217 used to be well used, but I know they started playing around with the route, diverting it via Lion Farm between Oldbury and Blackheath in the later years. Did it get curtailed to run to Blackheath only at one point?
Finally, the 007 running Merry Hill - Bromsgrove is another service which I would have liked Diamond to have stuck at commercially. If the reliability issues with the buses hadn't have been an issue, I'm pretty sure it would have been used. I used to use Ludlow's 007 frequently, and bar the last placement bus from Bromsgrove to Halesowen at 17:25, the loadings always seemed quite healthy.
I couldn't agree more. Diamond compete best when frequencies are high eg 4/4H/301 and less well on services like the 50 and 16... NX loadings on the 4H are pretty poor after Blackheath, compared to Diamond.
The 202 still seems to do ok but I agree a shame the 007 was withdrawn commercially.
I think part of the problem with NX's 4H is that it terminates at Halesowen rather than match Diamond's 4H with the Hayley Green loop
Precisely and the Hayley Green loop on the 4H is a pretty decent moneyspinner for diamond I reckon. Plus the diamond 4H is essentially the old 417 and that always seemed to do ok. I wonder how long NXWM will keep the 4H for though...
It's already been running some time, so they must do okay off it? I still think NX should consider extending it or even potentially do the Hayley Green loop in the opposite direction to Diamond which would cover some of the stops that the 142 previously served from Feb onwards
I think the walsall-blackheath section must subsidise the rest of the route...
Or diamond could introduce a Halesowen circular, serving the Hayley Green loop and the old 142 stops, at a fairly decent frequency like the 401e-short routes with fast turnaround
A number it the 006 :P
They had one of those......
Anyone any idea why it failed when the Hayley Green section of the 4H seems to do well?
It seemed busy enough when operated by Ludlows, probably mainly concessionary passes though & maybe it didn't pay with Diamond's larger overheads
I agree with that. The 006 used to carry very healthy loadings when operated by Ludlows. Does anyone know if the 006 was inter worked with the 230 when Diamond took over the network?
Green Bus also tried the 006 remember and failed but that could be down to passengers having found alternative transport methods (244?)
Just throwing it out there, but....
NX ain't doing too well on the 4H and Diamond are, to me points to the fact that it always used to be a Diamond (ok, Ludlows) route, and so people along there would prefer them to the "newcomer".
And vice-versa on the 4M.
Personally I'd say that now Diamond have admitted defeat with the 4M, perhaps NX should do the same with the 4H and use the buses for increased frequency on the 4M?
Quote from: Kevin on January 30, 2014, 10:43:56 PM
Just throwing it out there, but....
NX ain't doing too well on the 4H and Diamond are, to me points to the fact that it always used to be a Diamond (ok, Ludlows) route, and so people along there would prefer them to the "newcomer".
And vice-versa on the 4M.
Personally I'd say that now Diamond have admitted defeat with the 4M, perhaps NX should do the same with the 4H and use the buses for increased frequency on the 4M?
Logically what you say makes a lot of sense but in the past, diamond and nx have never been able to co-operate on anything before so I don't see this changing. Plus NX can cross subsidise it if it is loss making and recently at least, NX have never backed down on a route with competition.
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 30, 2014, 10:46:22 PM
Quote from: Kevin on January 30, 2014, 10:43:56 PM
Just throwing it out there, but....
NX ain't doing too well on the 4H and Diamond are, to me points to the fact that it always used to be a Diamond (ok, Ludlows) route, and so people along there would prefer them to the "newcomer".
And vice-versa on the 4M.
Personally I'd say that now Diamond have admitted defeat with the 4M, perhaps NX should do the same with the 4H and use the buses for increased frequency on the 4M?
Logically what you say makes a lot of sense but in the past, diamond and nx have never been able to co-operate on anything before so I don't see this changing. Plus NX can cross subsidise it if it is loss making and recently at least, NX have never backed down on a route with competition.
They have - The 530!