A late running 226 drove into the back of a parked motor when heading to Dudley.A passenger who got onto the Hansons 226 after the collision said he had been repeatedly turning round asking if any one wanted Russells Hall Hospital just before the bump.
nothing new for diamond
Express and Star Article - Bus and car collide on Pensnett High Street (http://www.expressandstar.com/news/emergency-services/2013/11/21/bus-and-car-collide-on-pensnett-high-street2/)
Quote from: Express and StarPassengers on a bus escaped without injury following a smash involving their single-decker and a car.
Police were called to Pensnett High Street at around 11.50am today following the crash.
Officers said there had been two passengers on the bus at the time and neither had been hurt.
The driver of the bus suffered minor injuries.
Traffic built up along the High Street while the bus was being moved.
West Midlands Police spokesman Gina Lycett said: "It was a single decker bus in collision with a car.
"There were no serious injuries reported."
West Midlands Ambulance service said an ambulance on its way to another job had come across the crash but was not needed.
So reading the article, looks like someones got their PR people working overtime now.
Quote from: hartshill busman 724210 on November 21, 2013, 02:24:29 PM
A late running 226 drove into the back of a parked motor when heading to Dudley.A passenger who got onto the Hansons 226 after the collision said he had been repeatedly turning round asking if any one wanted Russells Hall Hospital just before the bump.
So he was trying to avoid the hospital to get back on track
Quote from: the trainbasher on November 21, 2013, 02:35:54 PM
Express and Star Article - Bus and car collide on Pensnett High Street (http://www.expressandstar.com/news/emergency-services/2013/11/21/bus-and-car-collide-on-pensnett-high-street2/)
Quote from: Express and StarPassengers on a bus escaped without injury following a smash involving their single-decker and a car.
Police were called to Pensnett High Street at around 11.50am today following the crash.
Officers said there had been two passengers on the bus at the time and neither had been hurt.
The driver of the bus suffered minor injuries.
Traffic built up along the High Street while the bus was being moved.
West Midlands Police spokesman Gina Lycett said: "It was a single decker bus in collision with a car.
"There were no serious injuries reported."
West Midlands Ambulance service said an ambulance on its way to another job had come across the crash but was not needed.
So reading the article, looks like someones got their PR people working overtime now.
Quote from: hartshill busman 724210 on November 21, 2013, 02:24:29 PM
A late running 226 drove into the back of a parked motor when heading to Dudley.A passenger who got onto the Hansons 226 after the collision said he had been repeatedly turning round asking if any one wanted Russells Hall Hospital just before the bump.
So he was trying to avoid the hospital to get back on track
they alway try to cut corners on the 226
I'll ignore for a start the cheap attempts to knock diamond. Im glad no one was properly hurt. Does anyone know which bus or type of bus it was involved?
Apparently a 302xx
Anyway DiamondDart, with regards to your comments, are you willing to disregard verification from a local newspaper containing facts about the incident
The whole lateness problem comes partly from having the same timetable as Hansons, who don't give change. When you do give change, where is the time coming from?
Don't know if this is a result of this accident but there is currently a diamond B7RLE on the 226
I don't think we should pre-judge the incident as we're not aware of the true facts. We all know how the press can go for the jugular and make a story out of anything. There but for grace go any of us who drive.
Quote from: richie on November 21, 2013, 04:16:13 PM
Don't know if this is a result of this accident but there is currently a diamond B7RLE on the 226
Now that is unusual!
Quote from: bususer12 on November 21, 2013, 04:00:12 PM
The whole lateness problem comes partly from having the same timetable as Hansons, who don't give change. When you do give change, where is the time coming from?
The problem comes from sitting in the bus station,then going onto departure stands late and is nothing to do with giving change.I`ve personally observed this many times at both Merry Hill and Dudley.
When you run late you lose more time(the old two and three bus together syndrome)I`m sure I don`t need to spell out why this happens.
I suppose the irony is that the driver was asking if anybody wanted to get off at the hospital, then ran into the car causing an accident which might have indeed needed people to go to the hospital! ::)
I believe the facts about what was reported. I was doubting the supposed two passengers claiming he had been looking around etc and asking people for the hospital. That is not a fact, is not in the article and shouldn't really be discussed or mentioned until the facts are actually clear.
As for diamond on the 226-I think there's constantly an attempt to find fault with diamond on there as people think it is Hansons route-which it isn't... I'm never going to persuade people that most diamond 226's run within the period of -1/+5 as there are some who will always claim diamond do such and such on there and run late. In my experience of that route over the summer so admittedly things could have changed since, the vast vast majority of diamond buses were on time-it was hansons who were late. Hansons have also been spotted skipping bits of the 226 and accepting 9:30 passes before 9:30!! Independent surveys showed, as was mentioned, very very high levels of service compliance by diamond on the 226. FACT.
And does this mean another cadet will possibly be withdrawn??!! If so, tividale could be needing some of the buses they've got at long acre back...
here's one from the 19th, CVV Branded dart due at Wordsley Hosp at 1750, arrived at 1803, Hansons due 1805, arrived 1805. Not the first time that they have been seen circa 10 mins late. I do use the Diamond Service, and most of the time they are 5 minutes late, almost consistently enough to think that they are being told to run to that time, as it is very rare that they are on time.
Quote from: bususer12 on November 21, 2013, 08:09:42 PM
here's one from the 19th, CVV Branded dart due at Wordsley Hosp at 1750, arrived at 1803, Hansons due 1805, arrived 1805. Not the first time that they have been seen circa 10 mins late. I do use the Diamond Service, and most of the time they are 5 minutes late, almost consistently enough to think that they are being told to run to that time, as it is very rare that they are on time.
Well five minutes late is ok... And maybe its just because the traffic is busy on the route and the running time isn't sufficient as opposed to them being told to run late. In fairness to diamond, they adjusted the timings so as they were in between hansons buses. If they had intended to run just in front of hansons still, why did they change the timetable?
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Quote from: bususer12 on November 21, 2013, 08:09:42 PM
here's one from the 19th, CVV Branded dart due at Wordsley Hosp at 1750, arrived at 1803, Hansons due 1805, arrived 1805. Not the first time that they have been seen circa 10 mins late. I do use the Diamond Service, and most of the time they are 5 minutes late, almost consistently enough to think that they are being told to run to that time, as it is very rare that they are on time.
Well five minutes late is ok... And maybe its just because the traffic is busy on the route and the running time isn't sufficient as opposed to them being told to run late. In fairness to diamond, they adjusted the timings so as they were in between hansons buses. If they had intended to run just in front of hansons still, why did they change the timetable?
5 minutes? 1803 - 1750 = 13 minutes late! And looking at the article shown here (http://web.archive.org/web/20120410063635/http://www.diamondbuses.com/black/Latest-News/226-improvements.aspx)
QuoteDiamond Bus Company has been working with Centro to improve the 226 service from Dudley to Merry Hill.
From 5 September 2011 Diamond Bus and Hansons will both be operating every 30 minutes, conveniently timed to make the 226 every 15 minutes. We have listened to comments and feedback from our customers and believe these changes will greatly improve the service for people in the local area.
Diamond's great value flexible fares mean you can buy single, return or day tickets along with weekly and monthly tickets for more regular passengers. Our day, week and monthly tickets are valid for unlimited travel across all Black Diamond services in the West Midlands offering great value for money - So with links to other Diamond services in Dudley and Merry Hill you can benefit from travelling across the whole Diamond network. We also sell the nbus one day ticket if you want the flexibility of using other operators in the area too.
The Diamond 226 service runs to and from Merry Hill late into the evening, 7 days a week - perfect for a little bit of late night shopping, treating yourself to a bite out or catching the latest flick at the cinema!
We hope you like the improvements we're making to this service and look forward to welcoming you aboard the 226 in the near future.
Thats why Diamond moved to a combined every 15 minutes frequency.
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Quote from: bususer12 on November 21, 2013, 08:09:42 PM
here's one from the 19th, CVV Branded dart due at Wordsley Hosp at 1750, arrived at 1803, Hansons due 1805, arrived 1805. Not the first time that they have been seen circa 10 mins late. I do use the Diamond Service, and most of the time they are 5 minutes late, almost consistently enough to think that they are being told to run to that time, as it is very rare that they are on time.
Well five minutes late is ok... And maybe its just because the traffic is busy on the route and the running time isn't sufficient as opposed to them being told to run late. In fairness to diamond, they adjusted the timings so as they were in between hansons buses. If they had intended to run just in front of hansons still, why did they change the timetable?
CENTRO forced diamond to run inbetween Hansons times after months of havoc. Also, how can one operator run to time pretty consistently, and the other anything between 5-10 minutes late?????
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Quote from: DiamondDart on November 21, 2013, 08:16:55 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on November 21, 2013, 08:09:42 PM
here's one from the 19th, CVV Branded dart due at Wordsley Hosp at 1750, arrived at 1803, Hansons due 1805, arrived 1805. Not the first time that they have been seen circa 10 mins late. I do use the Diamond Service, and most of the time they are 5 minutes late, almost consistently enough to think that they are being told to run to that time, as it is very rare that they are on time.
Well five minutes late is ok... And maybe its just because the traffic is busy on the route and the running time isn't sufficient as opposed to them being told to run late. In fairness to diamond, they adjusted the timings so as they were in between hansons buses. If they had intended to run just in front of hansons still, why did they change the timetable?
5 minutes? 1803 - 1750 = 13 minutes late! And looking at the article shown here (http://web.archive.org/web/20120410063635/http://www.diamondbuses.com/black/Latest-News/226-improvements.aspx)
QuoteDiamond Bus Company has been working with Centro to improve the 226 service from Dudley to Merry Hill.
From 5 September 2011 Diamond Bus and Hansons will both be operating every 30 minutes, conveniently timed to make the 226 every 15 minutes. We have listened to comments and feedback from our customers and believe these changes will greatly improve the service for people in the local area.
Diamond's great value flexible fares mean you can buy single, return or day tickets along with weekly and monthly tickets for more regular passengers. Our day, week and monthly tickets are valid for unlimited travel across all Black Diamond services in the West Midlands offering great value for money - So with links to other Diamond services in Dudley and Merry Hill you can benefit from travelling across the whole Diamond network. We also sell the nbus one day ticket if you want the flexibility of using other operators in the area too.
The Diamond 226 service runs to and from Merry Hill late into the evening, 7 days a week - perfect for a little bit of late night shopping, treating yourself to a bite out or catching the latest flick at the cinema!
We hope you like the improvements we're making to this service and look forward to welcoming you aboard the 226 in the near future.
Thats why Diamond moved to a combined every 15 minutes frequency.
I can see I'm never going to win this one. I was referring to the comment that they are mostly 5 mins late-surprisingly, I was aware that 17:50 to 18:03 is 13 minutes... And I hardly see how centro can force a company to run at a certain time-they could tell them stands weren't available etc but didn't realise centro had that much power.
Because they have different running times?
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 21, 2013, 08:41:14 PM
I can see I'm never going to win this one. I was referring to the comment that they are mostly 5 mins late-surprisingly, I was aware that 17:50 to 18:03 is 13 minutes... And I hardly see how centro can force a company to run at a certain time-they could tell them stands weren't available etc but didn't realise centro had that much power.
Because they have different running times?
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Quite. As stated previously, I've had cause to observe Diamond 226 services in the past. To keep myself amused, I've also kept an eye on the other lot. ON EVERY OCCASION, Diamond's compliance % had been
higher than Hansons. And yes, I'm fully aware of what is meant by compliance.
Still, to paraphrase DiamondDart "I'm wasting my time" raising it on here.
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Quite. As stated previously, I've had cause to observe Diamond 226 services in the past. To keep myself amused, I've also kept an eye on the other lot. ON EVERY OCCASION, Diamond's compliance % had been higher than Hansons. And yes, I'm fully aware of what is meant by compliance.
Still, to paraphrase DiamondDart "I'm wasting my time" raising it on here.
Was this at timing point across the route or at a terminus?
At either Merry Hill or Dudley, things are fine, its inbetween where they cause issues.
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 21, 2013, 07:36:04 PM
I believe the facts about what was reported. I was doubting the supposed two passengers claiming he had been looking around etc and asking people for the hospital. That is not a fact, is not in the article and shouldn't really be discussed or mentioned until the facts are actually clear.
As for diamond on the 226-I think there's constantly an attempt to find fault with diamond on there as people think it is Hansons route-which it isn't... I'm never going to persuade people that most diamond 226's run within the period of -1/+5 as there are some who will always claim diamond do such and such on there and run late. In my experience of that route over the summer so admittedly things could have changed since, the vast vast majority of diamond buses were on time-it was hansons who were late. Hansons have also been spotted skipping bits of the 226 and accepting 9:30 passes before 9:30!! Independent surveys showed, as was mentioned, very very high levels of service compliance by diamond on the 226. FACT.
And does this mean another cadet will possibly be withdrawn??!! If so, tividale could be needing some of the buses they've got at long acre back...
Can i ask you one question when Diamond are out on the road do you turn the other way, Hanson are putting Rotala to shame with the 226 and all other routes
Quote from: bususer12 on November 21, 2013, 09:00:39 PM
Was this at timing point across the route or at a terminus?
At either Merry Hill or Dudley, things are fine, its inbetween where they cause issues.
All timing points, as per Driver boards.
Quote from: Jon on November 21, 2013, 09:02:17 PM
Can i ask you one question when Diamond are out on the road do you turn the other way, Hanson are putting Rotala to shame with the 226 and all other routes
Erm, can't speak for DD, but I can speak for myself:
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"I'm wasting my time" raising it on here.
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Quite. As stated previously, I've had cause to observe Diamond 226 services in the past. To keep myself amused, I've also kept an eye on the other lot. ON EVERY OCCASION, Diamond's compliance % had been higher than Hansons. And yes, I'm fully aware of what is meant by compliance.
Still, to paraphrase DiamondDart "I'm wasting my time" raising it on here.
Glad someone's backing me up on here!! Yeah, think we're wasting our time Dave!! I spent several days over the summer observing in merry hill and dudley and several places in between as I switched between buses. Diamond were as you say, within complicance more of the time. And how are Hanson's putting diamond to shame-they're just not. Their newer buses continue to be sold in the name of "standardisation" while they skip bits of routes, accept passes at the wrong times and fail to achieve diamond's levels of compliance on the 226. Are you disputing that independant monitoring saw diamond's 226 gain 95% compliance??!!
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Quite. As stated previously, I've had cause to observe Diamond 226 services in the past. To keep myself amused, I've also kept an eye on the other lot. ON EVERY OCCASION, Diamond's compliance % had been higher than Hansons. And yes, I'm fully aware of what is meant by compliance.
Still, to paraphrase DiamondDart "I'm wasting my time" raising it on here.
Glad someone's backing me up on here!! Yeah, think we're wasting our time Dave!! I spent several days over the summer observing in merry hill and dudley and several places in between as I switched between buses. Diamond were as you say, within complicance more of the time. And how are Hanson's putting diamond to shame-they're just not. Their newer buses continue to be sold in the name of "standardisation" while they skip bits of routes, accept passes at the wrong times and fail to achieve diamond's levels of compliance on the 226. Are you disputing that independant monitoring saw diamond's 226 gain 95% compliance??!!
Independent? You? Excuse me while I PMSL! VOSA are more independent!
Furthermore, I herewith refer you to the reply given in Arkell v. Pressdram (1971)
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Quite. As stated previously, I've had cause to observe Diamond 226 services in the past. To keep myself amused, I've also kept an eye on the other lot. ON EVERY OCCASION, Diamond's compliance % had been higher than Hansons. And yes, I'm fully aware of what is meant by compliance.
Still, to paraphrase DiamondDart "I'm wasting my time" raising it on here.
Glad someone's backing me up on here!! Yeah, think we're wasting our time Dave!! I spent several days over the summer observing in merry hill and dudley and several places in between as I switched between buses. Diamond were as you say, within complicance more of the time. And how are Hanson's putting diamond to shame-they're just not. Their newer buses continue to be sold in the name of "standardisation" while they skip bits of routes, accept passes at the wrong times and fail to achieve diamond's levels of compliance on the 226. Are you disputing that independant monitoring saw diamond's 226 gain 95% compliance??!!
Independent? You? Excuse me while I PMSL! VOSA are more independent!
Furthermore, I herewith refer you to the reply given in Arkell v. Pressdram (1971)
Lol I'm not the independent monitor. I never claimed to be that. I said that my monitoring showed high levels of compliance, backed up by professional, independent monitoring two weeks later. No, I wasn't in charge of that :P
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Quite. As stated previously, I've had cause to observe Diamond 226 services in the past. To keep myself amused, I've also kept an eye on the other lot. ON EVERY OCCASION, Diamond's compliance % had been higher than Hansons. And yes, I'm fully aware of what is meant by compliance.
Still, to paraphrase DiamondDart "I'm wasting my time" raising it on here.
Glad someone's backing me up on here!! Yeah, think we're wasting our time Dave!! I spent several days over the summer observing in merry hill and dudley and several places in between as I switched between buses. Diamond were as you say, within complicance more of the time. And how are Hanson's putting diamond to shame-they're just not. Their newer buses continue to be sold in the name of "standardisation" while they skip bits of routes, accept passes at the wrong times and fail to achieve diamond's levels of compliance on the 226. Are you disputing that independant monitoring saw diamond's 226 gain 95% compliance??!!
Independent? You? Excuse me while I PMSL! VOSA are more independent!
Furthermore, I herewith refer you to the reply given in Arkell v. Pressdram (1971)
Lol I'm not the independent monitor. I never claimed to be that. I said that my monitoring showed high levels of compliance, backed up by professional, independent monitoring two weeks later. No, I wasn't in charge of that :P
I therefore rest my case on the basis of the admittance by my honorable friend that you show an incredible amount of bias towards an operator herewith named in your user name as "DiamondDart" as to cause a significant conflict of interests by way of the extremities that your statement, how so bold as to make the methods to describe it as a significant manner of a vexatious statement which is causing a significant burden on the English language, a burden heavier than it can bare.
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Quite. As stated previously, I've had cause to observe Diamond 226 services in the past. To keep myself amused, I've also kept an eye on the other lot. ON EVERY OCCASION, Diamond's compliance % had been higher than Hansons. And yes, I'm fully aware of what is meant by compliance.
Still, to paraphrase DiamondDart "I'm wasting my time" raising it on here.
Glad someone's backing me up on here!! Yeah, think we're wasting our time Dave!! I spent several days over the summer observing in merry hill and dudley and several places in between as I switched between buses. Diamond were as you say, within complicance more of the time. And how are Hanson's putting diamond to shame-they're just not. Their newer buses continue to be sold in the name of "standardisation" while they skip bits of routes, accept passes at the wrong times and fail to achieve diamond's levels of compliance on the 226. Are you disputing that independant monitoring saw diamond's 226 gain 95% compliance??!!
Independent? You? Excuse me while I PMSL! VOSA are more independent!
Furthermore, I herewith refer you to the reply given in Arkell v. Pressdram (1971)
Lol I'm not the independent monitor. I never claimed to be that. I said that my monitoring showed high levels of compliance, backed up by professional, independent monitoring two weeks later. No, I wasn't in charge of that :P
I therefore rest my case on the basis of the admittance by my honorable friend that you show an incredible amount of bias towards an operator herewith named in your user name as "DiamondDart" as to cause a significant conflict of interests by way of the extremities that your statement, how so bold as to make the methods to describe it as a significant manner of a vexatious statement which is causing a significant burden on the English language, a burden heavier than it can bare.
;D ;D ;D
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Quite. As stated previously, I've had cause to observe Diamond 226 services in the past. To keep myself amused, I've also kept an eye on the other lot. ON EVERY OCCASION, Diamond's compliance % had been higher than Hansons. And yes, I'm fully aware of what is meant by compliance.
Still, to paraphrase DiamondDart "I'm wasting my time" raising it on here.
Glad someone's backing me up on here!! Yeah, think we're wasting our time Dave!! I spent several days over the summer observing in merry hill and dudley and several places in between as I switched between buses. Diamond were as you say, within complicance more of the time. And how are Hanson's putting diamond to shame-they're just not. Their newer buses continue to be sold in the name of "standardisation" while they skip bits of routes, accept passes at the wrong times and fail to achieve diamond's levels of compliance on the 226. Are you disputing that independant monitoring saw diamond's 226 gain 95% compliance??!!
so did Hanson's but the thing is hanson's has 95% compliance 6 day's a week but Diamond only has 95% when someone watch them
I think both Diamond and Hansons are very good, competant operators in the grand scheme of things, when you look at others in the region such as VIP, GRS, Joe's etc. I don't see why we have to decide one is 'better' than the other.
i have observed Hanson's buses missing part of the route on the 226 to get in front of Diamonds buses on several occasions and have been shown a text sent from a Hansons manager telling their drivers to hang back from 1511 to 1519 so as to stop Diamond picking up the schoolkids so Hansons are no strangers to playing the game themselves.
Quote from: 4747 on November 22, 2013, 11:17:39 AM
i have observed Hanson's buses missing part of the route on the 226 to get in front of Diamonds buses on several occasions and have been shown a text sent from a Hansons manager telling their drivers to hang back from 1511 to 1519 so as to stop Diamond picking up the schoolkids so Hansons are no strangers to playing the game themselves.
I'm sure Hanson's aren't as 'squeaky clean' as the Hanson's fans will lead us believe...... any company would 'bend the rules' to protect its revenues / business
Hanson's have had no quarms about launching the X26 in competition with NXWM's X96 between Dudley - Merry Hill, but don't seem to like when on the receiving end from Diamond on the 226
Todays bus due @ 1550, arrived ay 1604, only 14 minutes late, hansons right behind. Wouldn't catch the cowboys if i didn't need the other half of my return aftr 7pm. Picture of ticket will be uploaded later.
if they are 95% compliant, i hope the other 19 journeys are compliant.
Quote from: bususer12 on November 22, 2013, 04:08:22 PM
Todays bus due @ 1550, arrived ay 1604, only 14 minutes late, hansons right behind. Wouldn't catch the cowboys if i didn't need the other half of my return aftr 7pm. Picture of ticket will be uploaded later.
if they are 95% compliant, i hope the other 19 journeys are compliant.
Was it Swift liveried MPD 20535 KW02CVV by any chance? I've just seen it on Rangeways Rd @ 4.50pm heading towards Dudley being followed by a Hanson's Dart, I'm assuming the Diamond one was the one running late. I also saw the Hanson's E200 in the opposite direction but not the Diamond one as that must have further in front this time.
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Quote from: bususer12 on November 22, 2013, 04:08:22 PM
Todays bus due @ 1550, arrived ay 1604, only 14 minutes late, hansons right behind. Wouldn't catch the cowboys if i didn't need the other half of my return aftr 7pm. Picture of ticket will be uploaded later.
if they are 95% compliant, i hope the other 19 journeys are compliant.
Was it Swift liveried MPD 20535 KW02CVV by any chance? I've just seen it on Rangeways Rd @ 4.50pm heading towards Dudley being followed by a Hanson's Dart, I'm assuming the Diamond one was the one running late. I also saw the Hanson's E200 in the opposite direction but not the Diamond one as must have further in front this time.
by the sound of that one Winston, hansons are late as diamond are due towards Dudley at 52and 22. Btw, it was 20536 i saw, will due to be heading toward Dudley at 1750.
Quote from: bususer12 on November 22, 2013, 05:36:29 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 22, 2013, 05:24:27 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on November 22, 2013, 04:08:22 PM
Todays bus due @ 1550, arrived ay 1604, only 14 minutes late, hansons right behind. Wouldn't catch the cowboys if i didn't need the other half of my return aftr 7pm. Picture of ticket will be uploaded later.
if they are 95% compliant, i hope the other 19 journeys are compliant.
Was it Swift liveried MPD 20535 KW02CVV by any chance? I've just seen it on Rangeways Rd @ 4.50pm heading towards Dudley being followed by a Hanson's Dart, I'm assuming the Diamond one was the one running late. I also saw the Hanson's E200 in the opposite direction but not the Diamond one as must have further in front this time.
by the sound of that one Winston, hansons are late as diamond are due towards Dudley at 52and 22. Btw, it was 20536 i saw, will due to be heading toward Dudley at 1750.
Looks as though it was Hanson's on this occasion running checked the Diamond timetable, Hanson's were either 15 mins early or late with the Diamond one behind overtaking.
Either way its daft having them following each other round again!
Am on s758 rne now, arrived 10 mins late at high oak at 1744, driven by an ex hansons driver.
Quote from driver: Anyone want Top Church. No? I'll cut over then.
Quote from: Winston on November 22, 2013, 03:08:09 PM
Quote from: 4747 on November 22, 2013, 11:17:39 AM
i have observed Hanson's buses missing part of the route on the 226 to get in front of Diamonds buses on several occasions and have been shown a text sent from a Hansons manager telling their drivers to hang back from 1511 to 1519 so as to stop Diamond picking up the schoolkids so Hansons are no strangers to playing the game themselves.
I'm sure Hanson's aren't as 'squeaky clean' as the Hanson's fans will lead us believe...... any company would 'bend the rules' to protect its revenues / business
Hanson's have had no quarms about launching the X26 in competition with NXWM's X96 between Dudley - Merry Hill, but don't seem to like when on the receiving end from Diamond on the 226
Winston i not saying that hanson squeaky clean but if you put them against Diamond there 500% better
Quote from: Winston on November 22, 2013, 05:43:12 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on November 22, 2013, 05:36:29 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 22, 2013, 05:24:27 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on November 22, 2013, 04:08:22 PM
Todays bus due @ 1550, arrived ay 1604, only 14 minutes late, hansons right behind. Wouldn't catch the cowboys if i didn't need the other half of my return aftr 7pm. Picture of ticket will be uploaded later.
if they are 95% compliant, i hope the other 19 journeys are compliant.
Was it Swift liveried MPD 20535 KW02CVV by any chance? I've just seen it on Rangeways Rd @ 4.50pm heading towards Dudley being followed by a Hanson's Dart, I'm assuming the Diamond one was the one running late. I also saw the Hanson's E200 in the opposite direction but not the Diamond one as must have further in front this time.
by the sound of that one Winston, hansons are late as diamond are due towards Dudley at 52and 22. Btw, it was 20536 i saw, will due to be heading toward Dudley at 1750.
Looks as though it was Hanson's on this occasion running checked the Diamond timetable, Hanson's were either 15 mins early or late with the Diamond one behind overtaking.
Either way its daft having them following each other round again!
are sure normal it the other way around
Quote from: Jon on November 22, 2013, 05:50:17 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 22, 2013, 05:43:12 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on November 22, 2013, 05:36:29 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 22, 2013, 05:24:27 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on November 22, 2013, 04:08:22 PM
Todays bus due @ 1550, arrived ay 1604, only 14 minutes late, hansons right behind. Wouldn't catch the cowboys if i didn't need the other half of my return aftr 7pm. Picture of ticket will be uploaded later.
if they are 95% compliant, i hope the other 19 journeys are compliant.
Was it Swift liveried MPD 20535 KW02CVV by any chance? I've just seen it on Rangeways Rd @ 4.50pm heading towards Dudley being followed by a Hanson's Dart, I'm assuming the Diamond one was the one running late. I also saw the Hanson's E200 in the opposite direction but not the Diamond one as must have further in front this time.
by the sound of that one Winston, hansons are late as diamond are due towards Dudley at 52and 22. Btw, it was 20536 i saw, will due to be heading toward Dudley at 1750.
Looks as though it was Hanson's on this occasion running checked the Diamond timetable, Hanson's were either 15 mins early or late with the Diamond one behind overtaking.
Either way its daft having them following each other round again!
are sure normal it the other way around
Nope I'm sure! I was heading to the Nursery at the former Wordsley Hospital, on Rangeways Rd @ 4.50pm 20535 Diamond was in front of KU52YKZ? of Hansons (closely following each other). Using the opp Wordsley Hopsital times for Hanson's they were due at either 16:35 or 17:05. On this occasion it appeared that the Diamond 16:50 226 was on time.....
Quote from: bususer12 on November 22, 2013, 05:47:37 PM
Am on s758 rne now, arrived 10 mins late at high oak at 1744, driven by an ex hansons driver.
Quote from driver: Anyone want Top Church. No? I'll cut over then.
Employing his former employers tactics then...... :P
I don't understand why Hansons & Diamond aren't working in co-operation to deliver a 15 minute service to passengers that require the 226, rather than trying to one-up each other. I would've sod the service ages ago if I were a passenger
Quote from: Winston on November 22, 2013, 06:02:42 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on November 22, 2013, 05:47:37 PM
Am on s758 rne now, arrived 10 mins late at high oak at 1744, driven by an ex hansons driver.
Quote from driver: Anyone want Top Church. No? I'll cut over then.
Employing his former employers tactics then...... :P
Not mentioning possible lost revenue if someone was waiting, I wonder what his employer would think of him making a new route?
Does anyone happen to know which cadet was involved?
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 23, 2013, 02:41:59 PM
Does anyone happen to know which cadet was involved?
30209 I believe
Quote from: 4747 on November 23, 2013, 03:01:21 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 23, 2013, 02:41:59 PM
Does anyone happen to know which cadet was involved?
30209 I believe
Thanks 4747! This is a refurbed one as well.... At least its not 30206 which is the best cadet by far in my opinion......
30202 is the worst by a mile
Ks03 exn i think on 226, due at 1652 arrived 1700 at rangeways road toward Dudley, this 95%?????
Quote from: bususer12 on November 23, 2013, 05:04:21 PM
Ks03 exn i think on 226, due at 1652 arrived 1700 at rangeways road toward Dudley, this 95%?????
Yes saw this also earlier on :)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on November 23, 2013, 05:18:56 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on November 23, 2013, 05:04:21 PM
Ks03 exn i think on 226, due at 1652 arrived 1700 at rangeways road toward Dudley, this 95%?????
Yes saw this also earlier on :)
He was talking about the fact it was late again, not about a Solo being on the 226 which is not that unusual, hence why I did not post it.
Oh ok Matt :( No need to post it like that
Quote from: bususer12 on November 23, 2013, 05:04:21 PM
Ks03 exn i think on 226, due at 1652 arrived 1700 at rangeways road toward Dudley, this 95%?????
thats 20539 I believe, an incredibly slow bus
Quote from: 4747 on November 24, 2013, 10:57:19 AM
Quote from: bususer12 on November 23, 2013, 05:04:21 PM
Ks03 exn i think on 226, due at 1652 arrived 1700 at rangeways road toward Dudley, this 95%?????
thats 20539 I believe, an incredibly slow bus
Most older Solos are ;)
Quote from: 4747 on November 24, 2013, 10:57:19 AM
Quote from: bususer12 on November 23, 2013, 05:04:21 PM
Ks03 exn i think on 226, due at 1652 arrived 1700 at rangeways road toward Dudley, this 95%?????
thats 20539 I believe, an incredibly slow bus
Slow? My brother caught it yesterday and it struggled up to Brierley Hill from Wordsley...
I agree here-the KS03 solos are the most horrid buses in the entire diamond fleet. Give me an MPD anyday or any of the other solos but this batch just seem to constantly break down and overheat... I would really like to see them sold and got rid of, though if they are staying they would be far better on short routes like the 401e as opposed to the demanding 226...
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 24, 2013, 02:54:05 PM
I agree here-the KS03 solos are the most horrid buses in the entire diamond fleet. Give me an MPD anyday or any of the other solos but this batch just seem to constantly break down and overheat... I would really like to see them sold and got rid of, though if they are staying they would be far better on short routes like the 401e as opposed to the demanding 226...
The YJ06 solos at Kidderminster also seem unable to pick up any great speed, not good on the hills of Birchen Coppice and Areley Kings...
Quote from: StourportSam on November 24, 2013, 05:45:01 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 24, 2013, 02:54:05 PM
I agree here-the KS03 solos are the most horrid buses in the entire diamond fleet. Give me an MPD anyday or any of the other solos but this batch just seem to constantly break down and overheat... I would really like to see them sold and got rid of, though if they are staying they would be far better on short routes like the 401e as opposed to the demanding 226...
The YJ06 solos at Kidderminster also seem unable to pick up any great speed, not good on the hills of Birchen Coppice and Areley Kings...
Are those the long wheelbase ones? Are they in DIAMOND blue livery or blue diamond livery?
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 24, 2013, 05:48:32 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on November 24, 2013, 05:45:01 PM
The YJ06 solos at Kidderminster also seem unable to pick up any great speed, not good on the hills of Birchen Coppice and Areley Kings...
Are those the long wheelbase ones?
Yes
30638 YJ06 YPU & 30639 YJ06 YPV, Optare M1020 B37F
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 24, 2013, 05:48:32 PM
Are they in DIAMOND blue livery or blue diamond livery?
DIAMOND Blue, as in the latest. I understand they were only recently acquired.
They are nice buses, but just seem a bit noisy and slow. One of them you can hear coming before you see it!!
Quote from: StourportSam on November 24, 2013, 06:20:53 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 24, 2013, 05:48:32 PM
Quote from: StourportSam on November 24, 2013, 05:45:01 PM
The YJ06 solos at Kidderminster also seem unable to pick up any great speed, not good on the hills of Birchen Coppice and Areley Kings...
Are those the long wheelbase ones?
Yes
30638 YJ06 YPU & 30639 YJ06 YPV, Optare M1020 B37F
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 24, 2013, 05:48:32 PM
Are they in DIAMOND blue livery or blue diamond livery?
DIAMOND Blue, as in the latest. I understand they were only recently acquired.
They are nice buses, but just seem a bit noisy and slow. One of them you can hear coming before you see it!!
They were acquired from veolia so possibly weren't particularly well looked-after. And thanks for the info Sam!
I saw YJ54 BUH the other night on the 16 driving irratically, ive never seen a bus move so fast! It pulled into the bus stop in Hamstead and pulled out whilst I was down the side of it, and then violently swerved onto Hamstead road without indicating!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on November 24, 2013, 10:25:33 PM
I saw YJ54 BUH the other night on the 16 driving irratically, ive never seen a bus move so fast! It pulled into the bus stop in Hamstead and pulled out whilst I was down the side of it, and then violently swerved onto Hamstead road without indicating!
All operators have dodgy drivers. This sort of driving is not unique to Diamond.