Are all Buses going Red & white, because theres a livery on the PB enviros which looks amazing and would be a shame if they went. If this is the case will PB's Ominicitys be re-painted
Unless NXWM adopt the all over red livery then it looks like everything will be red & white.
But, Ray Stenning of the Best Impressions agency who design for Go-Ahead, Stagecoach and Trent amongst others was spotted attending meetings with NX Bus Directors yesterday at the Coach Station. So maybe watch this space for another new livery....
Quote from: D10 on May 05, 2012, 03:09:22 PM
But, Ray Stenning of the Best Impressions agency who design for Go-Ahead, Stagecoach and Trent amongst others was spotted attending meetings with NX Bus Directors yesterday at the Coach Station. So maybe watch this space for another new livery....
If this is the case, that's the most interesting piece of NXWM news I've heard in a long time!
Quote from: NathanJC on May 05, 2012, 11:11:31 AM
Are all Buses going Red & white, because theres a livery on the PB enviros which looks amazing and would be a shame if they went. If this is the case will PB's Ominicitys be re-painted
You must mean the old 'toothpaste' livery?
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4729.html
I'll second that!
Quote from: Mr Wood on May 05, 2012, 03:58:33 PM
Quote from: D10 on May 05, 2012, 03:09:22 PM
But, Ray Stenning of the Best Impressions agency who design for Go-Ahead, Stagecoach and Trent amongst others was spotted attending meetings with NX Bus Directors yesterday at the Coach Station. So maybe watch this space for another new livery....
If this is the case, that's the most interesting piece of NXWM news I've heard in a long time!
I'd go along with the other comments. Ray Stenning and Best Impressions have produced some of the best modern liveries for both buses and trains. I'm sure they'd come up with something a lot better than the insipid red and white, or the dull all-red experiment.
Ray Stenning would do a great job at NXWM and Im sure he'd bring back BLUE as with all the other liveries he's ensured there's a return to the company's original colour. Tho, the new branding especially on the 51/X51/33/X96 looks absolutely amazing. Colourful at front to help identify buses which can be difficult especially for the non bus enthusiast. Clear, concise and cheerful branding giving information. Anyone know which other routes are going to have this branding?
This photo of 4524 first day out after repaint show the different shade of white now being used (second photo down page)
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4524.html
Has it 4524 had an interior refurb?
Looks like it, if you look at the photo of it operating the 11A and compare it with the most recent of it on the 87 the top deck seats in particular look to be covered in a much darker fabric, possibly the fabric on the new B7's and Enviro's but I can't be certain
Quote from: Tony on May 05, 2012, 08:04:19 PM
This photo of 4524 first day out after repaint show the different shade of white now being used (second photo down page)
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4524.html
Well let's hope that the colours don't fade in the amount of time they have on most of the other repaints.
Quote from: wilmotm on May 05, 2012, 09:28:29 PM
Looks like it, if you look at the photo of it operating the 11A and compare it with the most recent of it on the 87 the top deck seats in particular look to be covered in a much darker fabric, possibly the fabric on the new B7's and Enviro's but I can't be certain
Thought so-it looks fantastic. NXWM seem to be using a different type of moquette at the moment on the new dark blue/2006 onwards colours and TWM moquette. Its softer maybe meaning its got less wool in it but feels completely different to that on other recently refurbished buses...
Quote from: Stu on May 05, 2012, 05:27:57 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on May 05, 2012, 11:11:31 AM
Are all Buses going Red & white, because theres a livery on the PB enviros which looks amazing and would be a shame if they went. If this is the case will PB's Ominicitys be re-painted
You must mean the old 'toothpaste' livery?
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4729.html
Yes, thats the livery, It would be a shame to loose that Livery
Anyone know what's happened to 4177? Not seen it or new photo's of it for a while?
Or have I just kept missing it? :)
Quote from: nx4737 on May 06, 2012, 03:51:04 PM
Anyone know what's happened to 4177? Not seen it or new photo's of it for a while?
Or have I just kept missing it? :)
Still on the 97, saw it one day last week.
Quote from: nx4737 on May 06, 2012, 03:51:04 PM
Anyone know what's happened to 4177? Not seen it or new photo's of it for a while?
Or have I just kept missing it? :)
Seen this yesterday afternoon....
Quote from: nx4737 on May 06, 2012, 03:51:04 PM
Anyone know what's happened to 4177? Not seen it or new photo's of it for a while?
Or have I just kept missing it? :)
Saw it last night on the 97 route not in service - http://tomonthebuses.smugmug.com/NXBusandCoach/National-Express-Alexander-5/22071566_QMw5jK/1831976279_Hbx88SQ
Are they actually planning to brand anymore tridents with this livery?
Quote from: D10 on May 06, 2012, 09:41:49 PM
Quote from: nx4737 on May 06, 2012, 03:51:04 PM
Anyone know what's happened to 4177? Not seen it or new photo's of it for a while?
Or have I just kept missing it? :)
Still on the 97, saw it one day last week.
Quote from: Tomjusttom on May 06, 2012, 09:52:53 PM
Quote from: nx4737 on May 06, 2012, 03:51:04 PM
Anyone know what's happened to 4177? Not seen it or new photo's of it for a while?
Or have I just kept missing it? :)
Saw it last night on the 97 route not in service - http://tomonthebuses.smugmug.com/NXBusandCoach/National-Express-Alexander-5/22071566_QMw5jK/1831976279_Hbx88SQ
Must try harder to find it!
I'd scrap this dull NXWM livery and bring back the toothpaste livery or maybe a new livery with blue in it from Best Impressions. At the moment the whole fleet is in a mixture of toothpaste, red and white or older TWM livery. NXWM really need to get all the buses in one smart livery, such as toothpaste!
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 07, 2012, 07:19:59 AM
I'd scrap this dull NXWM livery and bring back the toothpaste livery or maybe a new livery with blue in it from Best Impressions. At the moment the whole fleet is in a mixture of toothpaste, red and white or older TWM livery. NXWM really need to get all the buses in one smart livery, such as toothpaste!
I'd Bring back the Toothpaste livery aswell, it looked better than this red & white and on top of that the dirt shows up worse on white ::) ::)
Quote from: nx4737 on May 07, 2012, 12:16:28 AM
Quote from: Tomjusttom on May 06, 2012, 09:52:53 PM
Quote from: nx4737 on May 06, 2012, 03:51:04 PM
Anyone know what's happened to 4177? Not seen it or new photo's of it for a while?
Or have I just kept missing it? :)
Saw it last night on the 97 route not in service - http://tomonthebuses.smugmug.com/NXBusandCoach/National-Express-Alexander-5/22071566_QMw5jK/1831976279_Hbx88SQ
Must try harder to find it!
Just jump on a 97 and hopefully you'll find it
I wouldn't bring back toothpaste-id bring back the original TWM livery as it is incredibly smart and has lasted really well. Failing that, a blue and cream livery....
Quote from: Peter123 on May 07, 2012, 11:31:21 AM
I wouldn't bring back toothpaste-id bring back the original TWM livery as it is incredibly smart and has lasted really well. Failing that, a blue and cream livery....
What did the actual TWM livery look like then ?
Quote from: NathanJC on May 07, 2012, 11:50:58 AM
What did the actual TWM livery look like then ?
This one I presume:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4263.html
Quote from: Stu on May 07, 2012, 12:17:21 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on May 07, 2012, 11:50:58 AM
What did the actual TWM livery look like then ?
This one I presume:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4263.html
That looks better
Still prefer toothpaste!
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 07, 2012, 12:52:43 PM
Still prefer toothpaste!
First pic:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1750-1953/1786.html
Third picture down:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1750-1953/1778.html
Doesn't look so good when panels get replaced!
Well let's hope Mr Stenning has gone in there and been inspired to come up with something that we can all be proud of in terms of a new livery - something that is applied consistently to all buses in a timely fashion. Fingers crossed!
Well you would paint the panels to fit wouldn't you, although they haven't here, which isn't too good...
The silver on the toothpaste livery isn't paint. it is silver sticky back vinyl, which is quite a skilled job to reapply, even if you can get some. That was the biggest problem with that livery and why it didn't last long
Thanks for clarifying Tony!
And here you can see the 'toothpaste' livery, without the silver stripes, fourth pic down:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1317-1514/1415.html
Quote from: Stu on May 07, 2012, 08:01:48 PM
Thanks for clarifying Tony!
And here you can see the 'toothpaste' livery, without the silver stripes, fourth pic down:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1317-1514/1415.html
Not forgetting another livery that never saw the light of day on the trident behind 1415!
Quote from: Stu on May 07, 2012, 08:01:48 PM
Thanks for clarifying Tony!
And here you can see the 'toothpaste' livery, without the silver stripes, fourth pic down:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1317-1514/1415.html
What was the actual point in the whole blue branding & the point in the whole white branding
I was just thinking about the 997 livery behind on the trident that was never used was they just trying to design the branding for when the enviro's arrive for the service or was the idea to replace the gemini's with the older london tridents
Quote from: NathanJC on May 07, 2012, 08:22:46 PM
What was the actual point in the whole blue branding & the point in the whole white branding
The 'whole blue' painting of 1415 (and also 1467) was because at the time, they were going to replace this: (third pic down)
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/0501-0718/594.html
1415 and 1467 were to become the new Blythe Valley shuttle branded buses on the S9, as AG were withdrawing B6LEs, until Silverline won the contract.
Best livery they've had, Toothpaste. Shame it was a bugger to maintain.
Though the PB E400's seem to have lasted reasonably well.
Even without the stripes the toothpaste livery looked excellent, especially on the Single Deckers, that B10's certainly been through the liveries, but as for the 997 Trident, glad they didn't run with that, it wouldn't have lasted a couple of weeks if that before it became dirty beyond washable
Isn't it about time that the NXWM livery was the same for all its vehicles instead of it being a bit current,previous and previous before previous,especially as so many years have passed since the change of name? You dont see many Stagecoach,Arrriva or First buses in non corporate livery.
Quote from: suavegarv on May 07, 2012, 09:27:48 PM
Isn't it about time that the NXWM livery was the same for all its vehicles instead of it being a bit current,previous and previous before previous,especially as so many years have passed since the change of name? You dont see many Stagecoach,Arrriva or First buses in non corporate livery.
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I reckon several thousand First bus vehicles are not in their current livery.
In fact in Manchester last week I only saw 3 buses in their current livery
And of course Arriva never replace panels and not put the full livery back on do they?
http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/2246.html
Quote from: Tony on May 07, 2012, 09:35:16 PM
And of course Arriva never replace panels and not put the full livery back on do they?
http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/2246.html
What should we be looking for in that photo, as the livery looks fine to me.
Quote from: Michael on May 07, 2012, 09:48:52 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 07, 2012, 09:35:16 PM
And of course Arriva never replace panels and not put the full livery back on do they?
http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/2246.html
What should we be looking for in that photo, as the livery looks fine to me.
The Arriva cow horn is missing below the drivers window and doesn't link in to the white band across the front
Quote from: winston on May 07, 2012, 09:56:07 PM
Quote from: Michael on May 07, 2012, 09:48:52 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 07, 2012, 09:35:16 PM
And of course Arriva never replace panels and not put the full livery back on do they?
http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/2246.html
What should we be looking for in that photo, as the livery looks fine to me.
The Arriva cow horn is missing below the drivers window and doesn't link in to the white band across the front
The whole front is a diferent shade of green along with the battery flap under cab window!
Even if Ray Stenning (Best Impressions) has met with NX bus directors, changing the livery this far down the line is a major exercise, we would then have a fleet with 4 different liveries i.e. TWM, TWM toothpaste, NX Current & another new livery? It's taken 4.5 years to get this far...... NX have/are taking delivery of 172 new buses in the current NX livery (excluding Hybrids, 2013 & 30 Midi's). If a new livery was introduced priority should be given to painting TWM / TWM toothpaste liveried buses first to reduce the number of liveries.
I believe the 4177 (Julie) exercise/experiment was more of a prototype for future branding / special livery rather than a possible new fleet livery. May be NX are considering introducing special liveries for certain corridors / routes, possibly similar to what Go North East have done and has proven to boost ridership & growth
Quote from: Mr Wood on May 07, 2012, 04:41:22 PM
Well let's hope Mr Stenning has gone in there and been inspired to come up with something that we can all be proud of in terms of a new livery - something that is applied consistently to all buses in a timely fashion. Fingers crossed!
Quote from: richie on May 07, 2012, 10:06:45 PM
Quote from: winston on May 07, 2012, 09:56:07 PM
Quote from: Michael on May 07, 2012, 09:48:52 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 07, 2012, 09:35:16 PM
And of course Arriva never replace panels and not put the full livery back on do they?
http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/2246.html
What should we be looking for in that photo, as the livery looks fine to me.
and just noticed the yellow line along the bottom is higher up on the front!
The Arriva cow horn is missing below the drivers window and doesn't link in to the white band across the front
The whole front is a diferent shade of green along with the battery flap under cab window!
The main problem is that NX only have the one paint shop.
Stagecoach/Arriva/First have them all over the country.
Quote from: nx4737 on May 09, 2012, 06:55:31 PM
The main problem is that NX only have the one paint shop.
Stagecoach/Arriva/First have them all over the country.
Yes of course, Arriva are painting all their buses in their latest livery really quickly aren't they? I think not!, and let's see how long it takes First to paint all their buses I expect several years, how long did it take Stagecoach to paint all their fleet in the current livery?
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Stagecoach have done fine, although a lot of the fleet are new! One good livery I found is this green and blue. Very smart and refreshing.
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Transdev+Keighley&s=rec
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 09, 2012, 08:00:18 PM
Stagecoach have done fine, although a lot of the fleet are new! One good livery I found is this green and blue. Very smart and refreshing.
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Transdev+Keighley&s=rec
Yes Stagecoach fleet is very smart and mostly uniform now, the question was how long did it take them to change from the original Stripes livery to the current livery.
NXWM shoud paint there low floors like this
http://www.flickr.com/photos/markh737/7144611927/
there hyrbids & geminis like this
http://www.flickr.com/photos/35638028@N02/7146158725/in/photostream
just saying
Why have you picked two totally different liveries? Haven't NXWM got enough problems with their mixed identity already? And out of interest why have you put the Gemini's and the Hybrids together for their own repaint and the rest with a different one. Oh and on the issue of low floor, I believe technically the only buses that are on the NXWM books that aren't low floor these days are in the Training fleet!
Quote from: wilmotm on May 09, 2012, 09:00:47 PM
Why have you picked two totally different liveries? Haven't NXWM got enough problems with their mixed identity already? And out of interest why have you put the Gemini's and the Hybrids together for their own repaint and the rest with a different one. Oh and on the issue of low floor, I believe technically the only buses that are on the NXWM books that aren't low floor these days are in the Training fleet!
Speaking of the training fleet, I saw 1368 or 1386 going down Moseley Road, whilst on board an Enviro on the 50. I was heading towards the City, whilst 1368 or 1386 (originally thought it was 1388 but it seems it's scrapped) was heading towards Kings Heath. Presumably on it's way to Yardley Wood or training some YW drivers, as it had a total of 4 on board including the driver, and guess what, the coolers were on as per usual to the B10Bs! Especially 1388 which was constant!
Quote from: wilmotm on May 09, 2012, 09:00:47 PM
Why have you picked two totally different liveries? Haven't NXWM got enough problems with their mixed identity already? And out of interest why have you put the Gemini's and the Hybrids together for their own repaint and the rest with a different one. Oh and on the issue of low floor, I believe technically the only buses that are on the NXWM books that aren't low floor these days are in the Training fleet!
And of course liveries with lots of changing colours on panels that regularly get replaced with the knocks they receive around Birmingham.
That's another good point, that 662 Bradford Shuttle Livery looks so complicated with transfers over the windows and doors of both stripes and numbers, which personally I really dislike as not only does it obstruct the view but windows are just as regularly changed as panels, I was one a Merc the other day, can't remember which one and the little logo on the corner of each window was the PSV glass one, with not a single pane carrying the original Mercedes star logo meaning that in just 14 years of service, every single window on the bus had been replaced at least once.
Another good looking livery. Any reason why all these bus companies like Transev and Network Warrington seem to have buses with eye catching liveries, with no damaged panels or anything?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/psbusdriver/5991710201/in/photostream/
Certainly looking through PS Bus Driver's flickr network Warrington buses look absolutely fantastic, they have a wide range of single decker types, B6's B7rles, Solo's, Darts all in the same livery and the livery seems to suit each bus, very well done indeed, imagine the orange decals were blue and there you have the livery in West Midlands colours, I think it would look fantastic, though the orange crescent would perhaps look silly on Double Deckers
Quote from: Tony on May 09, 2012, 07:11:07 PM
Quote from: nx4737 on May 09, 2012, 06:55:31 PM
The main problem is that NX only have the one paint shop.
Stagecoach/Arriva/First have them all over the country.
Yes of course, Arriva are painting all their buses in their latest livery really quickly aren't they? I think not!, and let's see how long it takes First to paint all their buses I expect several years, how long did it take Stagecoach to paint all their fleet in the current livery?
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Any idea how long Stagecoach did actually take, Tony? :)
Quote from: wilmotm on May 10, 2012, 07:24:19 PM
Certainly looking through PS Bus Driver's flickr network Warrington buses look absolutely fantastic, they have a wide range of single decker types, B6's B7rles, Solo's, Darts all in the same livery and the livery seems to suit each bus, very well done indeed, imagine the orange decals were blue and there you have the livery in West Midlands colours, I think it would look fantastic, though the orange crescent would perhaps look silly on Double Deckers
I agree, just replace the orange with the blue, or the red with a light blue and the orange silver or red.
Quote from: nx4737 on May 11, 2012, 04:40:13 AM
Quote from: Tony on May 09, 2012, 07:11:07 PM
Quote from: nx4737 on May 09, 2012, 06:55:31 PM
The main problem is that NX only have the one paint shop.
Stagecoach/Arriva/First have them all over the country.
Yes of course, Arriva are painting all their buses in their latest livery really quickly aren't they? I think not!, and let's see how long it takes First to paint all their buses I expect several years, how long did it take Stagecoach to paint all their fleet in the current livery?
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Any idea how long Stagecoach did actually take, Tony? :)
I don't know about Stagecoach, but Brighton & Hove, with a fleet of about 270-280 buses, introduced their latest livery in 2004. It took them 4 years before they had 100% of the fleet in the new livery. In that period, they received 70 brand new buses in the new livery, so it meant that they painted just over 200 buses. The NXWM fleet is 5 times the size of Brighton & Hove, and they probably have a larger paintshop. However, this gives an indication of the size and timescale of the task.
I've been looking, and there's 14 pictures of 4177 on this site.
Quote from: 4504 on June 02, 2012, 02:14:45 AM
I've been looking, and there's 14 pictures of 4177 on this site.
And despite being painted all red, with no white, most of the pictures show it looking very dirty. ::)
Quote from: Stu on June 02, 2012, 01:02:23 PM
Quote from: 4504 on June 02, 2012, 02:14:45 AM
I've been looking, and there's 14 pictures of 4177 on this site.
And despite being painted all red, with no white, most of the pictures show it looking very dirty. ::)
I still think that 4177 dirty still looks better than the Red and White livery!