Anyone know if WN are due any new Double Deck Vehicles this Year?
None are on order for this year. I would have thought a quantity of double deckers would be ordered for Spring 2013, these should include the recently announced 21 x Hybrid double deckers from Green Bus Fund 3.
As WN has just had 25% of its fleet replaced in the matter of months, I'd be suprised if they were to receive any further new vehicles in quantity
They've just had 40 brand new single-decks in the last couple of months, no need to get greedy! :P
The priority is unfortunately going to be in the Birmingham area, I'm afraid. I reckon next year we'll see a load of new double-decks for the 11A/C Outer Circle.
Quote from: winston on March 27, 2012, 01:34:39 PM
None are on order for this year. I would have thought a quantity of double deckers would be ordered for Spring 2013, these should include the recently announced 21 x Hybrid double deckers from Green Bus Fund 3.
As WN has just had 25% of its fleet replaced in the matter of months, I'd be suprised if they were to receive any further new vehicles in quantity
There is a Wolverhampton Transport Forum happening at this very moment. It was mentioned that the 21 hybrid deckers are destined for the 1.
According to http://www.centro.org.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.aspx?lID=7711&sID=4284 (http://www.centro.org.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.aspx?lID=7711&sID=4284), the following is meant to happen in the Brierley Hill area:
Quote- £2.2.m investment in brand new euro 5 buses
So presumably PE/WN
might end up having more new buses.
Now I'm getting greedy! It would be nice if they were destined for the 1 in Birmingham (from Town Hall to Acocks Green), as it used to be a 'showcase' route, and was last upgraded with refurbed Presidents! ::)
However using some on Wolverhamptons 1 would be a nice idea, as its a regular well-used route linking Wolverhampton and Dudley, don't think they'd need all 21 though, BC get away with using 18 on both the 22 and 23 routes.
You would be suprised at the PVR of the Wolverhampton 1. It was 18 after the July 2011 service changes.
Quote from: Tomjusttom on March 27, 2012, 08:07:00 PM
According to http://www.centro.org.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.aspx?lID=7711&sID=4284 (http://www.centro.org.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.aspx?lID=7711&sID=4284), the following is meant to happen in the Brierley Hill area:
Quote- £2.2.m investment in brand new euro 5 buses
So presumably PE/WN might end up having more new buses.
I believe the new buses already introduced at WN and PE are Euro5 compliant. And that total figure includes other operators too.
And the 1 doesn't go to Merry Hill. ;D
Non of PE's / WN's new buses serve Brierley Hill or Merry Hill, I believe it has been suggested / rumoured that the 222 could be due some of the new Midi's later in the year.
Would have thought the 222, 246, 276 & X96 must be good contenders for any further new vehicles deliveries @ PE
Quote from: Stu on March 27, 2012, 08:38:59 PM
Quote from: Tomjusttom on March 27, 2012, 08:07:00 PM
According to http://www.centro.org.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.aspx?lID=7711&sID=4284 (http://www.centro.org.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.aspx?lID=7711&sID=4284), the following is meant to happen in the Brierley Hill area:
Quote- £2.2.m investment in brand new euro 5 buses
So presumably PE/WN might end up having more new buses.
I believe the new buses already introduced at WN and PE are Euro5 compliant. And that total figure includes other operators too.
And the 1 doesn't go to Merry Hill. ;D
I would sincerly hope so, these are all my local routes and the buses that serve them are often in a terrible state and are always overcrowded, especially the 246 which preferably could do with some more double deckers and I can't see any reason why some cannot be transferred from the 9, even just 2 or so would help. I also travel on the 9 and even at peak times in the morning they are never full and sometimes can be upto a frequency of almost every 3-4 minutes. Also the 9 gets support from BC Tridents so a few less PE Enviro's in my opinion will do no harm at all.
Oh and on the new buses note I travelled on 1640 today for the first time since re-furbishment and for what I presume PE reckon is there best Merc having spent money on it on a LED and repaint its still in a fairly poor condition making a dreadful screeching noise and with some seats covered in grafitti etc... So that just highlights the condition of some of the 15 year old buses in the fleet
Quote from: winston on March 27, 2012, 09:06:43 PM
Would have thought the 222, 246, 276 & X96 must be good contenders for any further new vehicles deliveries @ PE
Winston, that's what I think the Centro document
Might be referring to!
Quote from: winston on March 27, 2012, 09:06:43 PM
I believe it has been suggested / rumoured that the 222 could be due some of the new Midi's later in the year.
Quote from: Stu on March 27, 2012, 08:38:59 PM
Quote from: Tomjusttom on March 27, 2012, 08:07:00 PM
According to http://www.centro.org.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.aspx?lID=7711&sID=4284 (http://www.centro.org.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.aspx?lID=7711&sID=4284), the following is meant to happen in the Brierley Hill area:
Quote- £2.2.m investment in brand new euro 5 buses
So presumably PE/WN might end up having more new buses.
I believe the new buses already introduced at WN and PE are Euro5 compliant. And that total figure includes other operators too.
And the 1 doesn't go to Merry Hill. ;D
Does WB help out on certain PE routes i know one WB double decker does a turn on the 241, also does this mean the WB buses have PE routes programmed into there displays as they seem quite similar to each other with rear destination showing number and destination.
Quote from: Ash on March 27, 2012, 11:01:07 PM
Does WB help out on certain PE routes i know one WB double decker does a turn on the 241, also does this mean the WB buses have PE routes programmed into there displays as they seem quite similar to each other with rear destination showing number and destination.
Wb have a board on the 241/140, and I think they have a run on the 9/9s however I'm not sure on that. PE Have a trip on the 256 (board 246/8).
WB also do PE services on Boxing Day
I never understand why the 238 is operated from PE when WB ran it there were mostly mercs and double deckers used and i know it interworks with the 297 but the since the frequency has been reduced it always seems overcrowded using mostly b6le's so would make sense from WB to operate it using the mercs or using double deckers or another solution run the 404H in weekdays too.
A £2.2 million investment in new buses (split between NXWM & Rotala) unfortunately isn't going to buy that many new buses for the Brierley Hill area, therefore, it looks as though only a couple of the core routes mentioned will benefit from new stock
18 x Enviro 200's @ approx £125k /each
14 x Volvo B7RLE's @ approx £160k / each
Quote from: Tomjusttom on March 27, 2012, 10:39:46 PM
Winston, that's what I think the Centro document Might be referring to!
Quote from: winston on March 27, 2012, 09:06:43 PM
I believe it has been suggested / rumoured that the 222 could be due some of the new Midi's later in the year.
Quote from: Stu on March 27, 2012, 08:38:59 PM
Quote from: Tomjusttom on March 27, 2012, 08:07:00 PM
According to http://www.centro.org.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.aspx?lID=7711&sID=4284 (http://www.centro.org.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.aspx?lID=7711&sID=4284), the following is meant to happen in the Brierley Hill area:
Quote- £2.2.m investment in brand new euro 5 buses
So presumably PE/WN might end up having more new buses.
I believe the new buses already introduced at WN and PE are Euro5 compliant. And that total figure includes other operators too.
And the 1 doesn't go to Merry Hill. ;D
i blooming agree with the 238, why on earth they kept moving it from wb to pe all the time droved me crazy. When they took of the 129 which was used a hell of lot were i live, they upped the 238 to every 20, so with the 128 we would have a bus every 10 mins, perfect, at the time opperated by wb mercs they would get full and croweded but hey at least you got a seat. And occasianly you would get the deckers which were even better.
Now Some body has had the wisdom, o lets reduces it back to every half hour, have a b6 run it, it will be fine. Is it heck,
people are waiting longer as they are never on time, they are over crowded nearley every journey, they struggle to get up the hills, and to be quite honest the buses are just awful.
Its funny when wb were opperating them cause they were actually on time, the sunday they went back to pe, bang late.
Not having a dig at pe, but why suddenly change the the garage and the bus type when they were fine, to something which cleary aint.
I want the 129 back LOL
The 1 in Wolverhampton could do with some new buses. One of my friends uses it regularly and usually comments to me on how bad some of the buses used are. I know she'd appreciate some new buses on it!
Suprised you haven't seen it on here that the 1 (WN) is due the 21 x Hybrid deckers announced last week as part of the Green Bus Fund 3, these are due Early 2013
Whether these will be used to see off the Spectra's who know's
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 28, 2012, 08:11:44 PM
The 1 in Wolverhampton could do with some new buses. One of my friends uses it regularly and usually comments to me on how bad some of the buses used are. I know she'd appreciate some new buses on it!
I used to travel on the 9 every day and it was always packed. I think routes like the 276 and X96 would also benefit with doubles. Does anyone know the 9's PVR?
Quote from: wilmotm on March 27, 2012, 10:12:28 PM
I would sincerly hope so, these are all my local routes and the buses that serve them are often in a terrible state and are always overcrowded, especially the 246 which preferably could do with some more double deckers and I can't see any reason why some cannot be transferred from the 9, even just 2 or so would help. I also travel on the 9 and even at peak times in the morning they are never full and sometimes can be upto a frequency of almost every 3-4 minutes. Also the 9 gets support from BC Tridents so a few less PE Enviro's in my opinion will do no harm at all.
Oh and on the new buses note I travelled on 1640 today for the first time since re-furbishment and for what I presume PE reckon is there best Merc having spent money on it on a LED and repaint its still in a fairly poor condition making a dreadful screeching noise and with some seats covered in grafitti etc... So that just highlights the condition of some of the 15 year old buses in the fleet
Quote from: winston on March 27, 2012, 09:06:43 PM
Would have thought the 222, 246, 276 & X96 must be good contenders for any further new vehicles deliveries @ PE
I saw 4705 on the 9S this afternoon is this a normal working as i guess the bus goes onto the dudley road services once completed
Quote from: Ash on March 29, 2012, 06:28:40 PM
I saw 4705 on the 9S this afternoon is this a normal working as i guess the bus goes onto the dudley road services once completed
Yeah its normal, WB do a couple of 9S/140/241 trips for PE.
Quote from: winston on March 28, 2012, 09:28:04 PM
Suprised you haven't seen it on here that the 1 (WN) is due the 21 x Hybrid deckers announced last week as part of the Green Bus Fund 3, these are due Early 2013
Whether these will be used to see off the Spectra's who know's
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 28, 2012, 08:11:44 PM
The 1 in Wolverhampton could do with some new buses. One of my friends uses it regularly and usually comments to me on how bad some of the buses used are. I know she'd appreciate some new buses on it!
Good news then that new buses shall soon arrive. Although it may well see the end of the spectras.
Quote from: winston on March 28, 2012, 09:28:04 PM
Whether these will be used to see off the Spectra's who know's
Would have though so, with there being 21 Spectras too.
The PVR from PN for the 9 service is 21. four of which run in am and four run out pm.
238 gets changed from WB to PE and vice versa a lot, won't be suprised if it happens on the 1st April. They could just extend the 89 get it to run the 238 route from Oldbury to Blackheath, problem solved, 15 mins combined frequency between Blackheath and Oldbury with the 238 and 89. I'm just tired they keep changing the Halesowen - Merry Hill route, it was perfect the way it was, with the 99/138.
Quote from: makkacdt on March 28, 2012, 12:24:16 AM
i blooming agree with the 238, why on earth they kept moving it from wb to pe all the time droved me crazy. When they took of the 129 which was used a hell of lot were i live, they upped the 238 to every 20, so with the 128 we would have a bus every 10 mins, perfect, at the time opperated by wb mercs they would get full and croweded but hey at least you got a seat. And occasianly you would get the deckers which were even better.
Now Some body has had the wisdom, o lets reduces it back to every half hour, have a b6 run it, it will be fine. Is it heck,
people are waiting longer as they are never on time, they are over crowded nearley every journey, they struggle to get up the hills, and to be quite honest the buses are just awful.
Its funny when wb were opperating them cause they were actually on time, the sunday they went back to pe, bang late.
Not having a dig at pe, but why suddenly change the the garage and the bus type when they were fine, to something which cleary aint.
I want the 129 back LOL
I think it would be a good idea to run the 404H weekdays too it would only mean one extra omnilink as it would be the 404A just extended to merry hill then there would be a 15 minute frequency to merry hill from West Bromwich aswell as a weekday link from walsall to merry hill
There may well be more chance of that & potential new routes after Merry Hill bus station gets rebuilt & capacity is increased. Merry Hill isn't very bus friendly at present, it's not really surprising that the majority choose to travel by car
Quote from: Ash on March 29, 2012, 10:57:31 PM
I think it would be a good idea to run the 404H weekdays too it would only mean one extra omnilink as it would be the 404A just extended to merry hill then there would be a 15 minute frequency to merry hill from West Bromwich aswell as a weekday link from walsall to merry hill
Quote from: winston on March 29, 2012, 11:06:32 PM
There may well be more chance of that & potential new routes after Merry Hill bus station gets rebuilt & capacity is increased. Merry Hill isn't very bus friendly at present, it's not really surprising that the majority choose to travel by car
Quote from: Ash on March 29, 2012, 10:57:31 PM
I think it would be a good idea to run the 404H weekdays too it would only mean one extra omnilink as it would be the 404A just extended to merry hill then there would be a 15 minute frequency to merry hill from West Bromwich aswell as a weekday link from walsall to merry hill
For a large shopping centre I have to agree the bus station is outdated and the shelters two people cant pass each other also its strange how buses like the 222/X96 pull in with passengers on whilst changing the drivers as theres no room to park around the bus sation they use the bays in the middle.
It's never really changed that much since Phase 1 of the shopping Centre was originally built. It's always been just a parking area with a few bog standard bus shelters, the stop by Matalan doesn't even have a shelter, you have to use Matalan's canopy to protect you from the elements. They should sacrifice more of the car park in front of Halfords & build a proper bus station that is totally undercover & you can walk straight through in to the shopping centre, bus lanes & priorities is a good idea. If people see the buses getting in/out much quicker than cars they may be more inclined to give them a try
Quote from: Ash on March 29, 2012, 11:10:21 PM
Quote from: winston on March 29, 2012, 11:06:32 PM
There may well be more chance of that & potential new routes after Merry Hill bus station gets rebuilt & capacity is increased. Merry Hill isn't very bus friendly at present, it's not really surprising that the majority choose to travel by car
Quote from: Ash on March 29, 2012, 10:57:31 PM
I think it would be a good idea to run the 404H weekdays too it would only mean one extra omnilink as it would be the 404A just extended to merry hill then there would be a 15 minute frequency to merry hill from West Bromwich aswell as a weekday link from walsall to merry hill
For a large shopping centre I have to agree the bus station is outdated and the shelters two people cant pass each other also its strange how buses like the 222/X96 pull in with passengers on whilst changing the drivers as theres no room to park around the bus sation they use the bays in the middle.
Is the 238 still being run with B6's even after PE have withdrawn a load following the introduction of the Volvo B7RLE's in to service? The only one I haven't seen in service or in the depot is 2097
I also saw 604, 615 & 616 parked huddled together on Wed on double yellows outside of the perimeter fence, never seen anything parked there before. They looked as though they may be heading for Miller St as 604 was missing a headlight surround, so don't think they were for PM peak workings
Does anyone have any idea what the PVR of the 120/120E, 140 & 241 is? Trying to establish how many B7RLE's may be spare each day for other routes
Quote from: makkacdt on March 28, 2012, 12:24:16 AM
i blooming agree with the 238, why on earth they kept moving it from wb to pe all the time droved me crazy. When they took of the 129 which was used a hell of lot were i live, they upped the 238 to every 20, so with the 128 we would have a bus every 10 mins, perfect, at the time opperated by wb mercs they would get full and croweded but hey at least you got a seat. And occasianly you would get the deckers which were even better.
Now Some body has had the wisdom, o lets reduces it back to every half hour, have a b6 run it, it will be fine. Is it heck,
people are waiting longer as they are never on time, they are over crowded nearley every journey, they struggle to get up the hills, and to be quite honest the buses are just awful.
Its funny when wb were opperating them cause they were actually on time, the sunday they went back to pe, bang late.
Not having a dig at pe, but why suddenly change the the garage and the bus type when they were fine, to something which cleary aint.
I want the 129 back LOL
I'm pretty sure 120 PVR is 12 & 140/241 is either 6/8, leaving either 2 or 3 B7RLEs.
Quote from: winston on March 29, 2012, 11:55:24 PM
Is the 238 still being run with B6's even after PE have withdrawn a load following the introduction of the Volvo B7RLE's in to service? The only one I haven't seen in service or in the depot is 2097
I also saw 604, 615 & 616 parked huddled together on Wed on double yellows outside of the perimeter fence, never seen anything parked there before. They looked as though they may be heading for Miller St as 604 was missing a headlight surround, so don't think they were for PM peak workings
Does anyone have any idea what the PVR of the 120/120E, 140 & 241 is? Trying to establish how many B7RLE's may be spare each day for other routes
Quote from: makkacdt on March 28, 2012, 12:24:16 AM
i blooming agree with the 238, why on earth they kept moving it from wb to pe all the time droved me crazy. When they took of the 129 which was used a hell of lot were i live, they upped the 238 to every 20, so with the 128 we would have a bus every 10 mins, perfect, at the time opperated by wb mercs they would get full and croweded but hey at least you got a seat. And occasianly you would get the deckers which were even better.
Now Some body has had the wisdom, o lets reduces it back to every half hour, have a b6 run it, it will be fine. Is it heck,
people are waiting longer as they are never on time, they are over crowded nearley every journey, they struggle to get up the hills, and to be quite honest the buses are just awful.
Its funny when wb were opperating them cause they were actually on time, the sunday they went back to pe, bang late.
Not having a dig at pe, but why suddenly change the the garage and the bus type when they were fine, to something which cleary aint.
I want the 129 back LOL
120 pvr mon - sat is 11 vehicles 140 pvr mon - fri am is 6 and pm is 7 as one am 140 card is operated by WB. 11 B7rle for 120 1 for 141 am extra 6 for 140 am then 7 for pm 140 leaving 3 spare for 246 service providing there are non dead for vi and mot. And 238 will be 0405n operation.
Does anyone now wether the buses at WB that have the electronic destination displays also have Pensnett routes programmed into them.
Quote from: Ash on April 01, 2012, 04:29:10 PM
Does anyone now wether the buses at WB that have the electronic destination displays also have Pensnett routes programmed into them.
I am aware that they have the 140/241 and 9/9S in them. I am sure that they have the boxing day routes in them but i cannot be too sure
It is probably a whole lot easier to program new routes into the LED display, rather than replace the old destination blinds. ;)
I saw 2 B7RLEs on the 246 on Friday.
Quote from: winston on March 27, 2012, 09:06:43 PM
Non of PE's / WN's new buses serve Brierley Hill or Merry Hill, I believe it has been suggested / rumoured that the 222 could be due some of the new Midi's later in the year.
Would have thought the 222, 246, 276 & X96 must be good contenders for any further new vehicles deliveries @ PE
Quote from: Stu on March 27, 2012, 08:38:59 PM
Quote from: Tomjusttom on March 27, 2012, 08:07:00 PM
According to http://www.centro.org.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.aspx?lID=7711&sID=4284 (http://www.centro.org.uk/nmsruntime/saveasdialog.aspx?lID=7711&sID=4284), the following is meant to happen in the Brierley Hill area:
Quote- £2.2.m investment in brand new euro 5 buses
So presumably PE/WN might end up having more new buses.
I believe the new buses already introduced at WN and PE are Euro5 compliant. And that total figure includes other operators too.
And the 1 doesn't go to Merry Hill. ;D
I'm pretty sure they have the 9, 120, 140, 141 and 241 from Boxing Day and peak journeys.
Quote from: Ash on April 01, 2012, 04:29:10 PM
Does anyone now wether the buses at WB that have the electronic destination displays also have Pensnett routes programmed into them.
West Brom used to operate the 120 full-time previously. ;D