What routes are on each Rota at each Depot?
Quote from: gc802002 on September 07, 2013, 09:15:35 PM
What routes are on each Rota at each Depot?
Perry Barr Rota`s
Sutton 115,902/4/5/7/914/915
Pheasey 46/66/66A/952
Kingstanding 33
Great Barr 28
Hamstead - 16
Perry Common 7/65
Castle Vale 67
Chelmsley Wood 94
Erdington 638
Missed out 1 or 2 i think
WA;
Stating the obvious is the 934/5/6, 997 & 51 all on 1 rota
X51/X56 on another ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 07, 2013, 09:18:51 PM
Quote from: gc802002 on September 07, 2013, 09:15:35 PM
What routes are on each Rota at each Depot?
Perry Barr Rota`s
Sutton 115,902/4/5/7/914/915
Pheasey 46/66/66A/952
Kingstanding 33
Great Barr 28
Hamstead - 16
Perry Common 7/65
Castle Vale 67
Chelmsley Wood 94
Erdington 638
Missed out 1 or 2 i think
WA;
Stating the obvious is the 934/5/6, 997 & 51 all on 1 rota
X51/X56 on another ?
Oxhill Rota is 16 and 101 on same
At WA The 40/1/69/89 are all on the same rota (Willenhall rota) i believe
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 07, 2013, 09:46:25 PM
At WA The 40/1/69/89 are all on the same rota (Willenhall rota) i believe
Nathan, d0 you know the rotas for; 2/3/4/5/6
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 07, 2013, 09:51:12 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 07, 2013, 09:46:25 PM
At WA The 40/1/69/89 are all on the same rota (Willenhall rota) i believe
Nathan, d0 you know the rotas for; 2/3/4/5/6
Will find out for you Nathan :) I know the 3/4 are on the same rota. Think (Not too sure) that the 2 is on the 255/6 rota? 59 is on its own dedicated rota so is the 126. Although 59 drivers do sometimes do the 25/8/79/126
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 07, 2013, 09:56:00 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 07, 2013, 09:51:12 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 07, 2013, 09:46:25 PM
At WA The 40/1/69/89 are all on the same rota (Willenhall rota) i believe
Nathan, d0 you know the rotas for; 2/3/4/5/6
Will find out for you Nathan :) I know the 3/4 are on the same rota. Think (Not too sure) that the 2 is on the 255/6 rota? 59 is on its own dedicated rota so is the 126. Although 59 drivers do sometimes do the 25/8/79/126
Thanks Nathan
take it the 1 is all by itself too :)
Pensnett
Stourbridge 9 246
Merry hill 53 141 222 289 297/a
Dudley the rest
Quote from: karl724223 on September 07, 2013, 10:00:53 PM
Pensnett
Stourbridge 9 246
Merry hill 53 141 222 289 297/a
Dudley the rest
Merry Hill rota have a few routes to learn :D
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 07, 2013, 10:01:49 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on September 07, 2013, 10:00:53 PM
Pensnett
Stourbridge 9 246
Merry hill 53 141 222 289 297/a
Dudley the rest
Merry Hill rota have a few routes to learn :D
Not as many as the Dudley Rota by the sounds of it!? (120, 140, 205, 241, 243, 244, 276, X96)
im.confused can somebody help!!
Walsall rota
City 51
North east Walsall area 6/7/7A/10/10A/77/335
Bloxwich 29/70/70A/302
Moseley 301
4Rota 4/4H/4M
4 Rota 4 day 4/4H/4M
Wilenhall 40/41/69/8/89/335/336
City Express 934/935/936/997/X51 some 51 Evening journeys
Bradford Place 34/38/39/311/313
X56 Rota X56/997/886
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 07, 2013, 09:57:52 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 07, 2013, 09:56:00 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 07, 2013, 09:51:12 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 07, 2013, 09:46:25 PM
At WA The 40/1/69/89 are all on the same rota (Willenhall rota) i believe
Nathan, d0 you know the rotas for; 2/3/4/5/6
Will find out for you Nathan :) I know the 3/4 are on the same rota. Think (Not too sure) that the 2 is on the 255/6 rota? 59 is on its own dedicated rota so is the 126. Although 59 drivers do sometimes do the 25/8/79/126
Thanks Nathan
take it the 1 is all by itself too :)
Yes from what I gather the 1 is on its own rota, as I see certain "distinctive" drivers only on the 1
Quote from: domino.99 on September 07, 2013, 10:43:09 PM
im.confused can somebody help!!
From this comment and the other topic you've started recently, and for anyone else's benefit, I'll try and explain what happens regards drivers shifts (I don't mean to come across patronising!)
Running Board - A piece of paper detailing the workings of that particular bus for that day such as what route, time of journeys & dead running etc. With NXWM the running board is given to the first driver who takes the bus out, and remains on the bus until it has finished for the day. Each subsequent driver notes what the journey times are and the route they should be driving from this.
Duty - Each driver will be allocated to a particular duty when they are working. The duty will detail what running boards the driver is driving and from where and at what time the driver should be taking over/coming off that vehicle. Usually the duty will involve driving at least two buses, with a legal break in between. Each side of the break can be referred to as a 'portion'. A rather simple example is below:
Duty: 1001
Bus 51/10 - On: 0900, WA Garage - Off: 1030, Walsall Bus Stat.
Bus 51/15 - On: 1115, Walsall Bus Stat - Off: 1600, Walsall Garage
Week or Line - Each working week is split between Rest Days and days in work. On the days when the driver is working, they will be assigned a Duty. This duty can be different for every day they are working that week, but should be similar in times to the other dutys. For instance, week one might involve Rest Days on Sunday & Monday, and then Duty 0001 on the remaining days. At NXWM, weeks are generally classed as Earlys, Lates or Splits.
Rotas/Roster - Drivers will all belong on to a rota. Most commonly these are created of around 50 or so drivers who drive a certain group of similar routes. Sometimes a rota can be formed around hours worked (rather than routes), such as a part time or 4 day rota. The rota will be made up of a certain number of weeks or lines (in theory the same amount to the number of drivers), so that each driver will be working a certain line of the rota. In most cases the driver will move down the rota weekly so the driver should not repeat that same week for, in this example 50 weeks. The lines of the rota should in theory ensure every single duty in the garage is covered every day.
So for example a driver at Walsall, may belong to the Willenhall Rota which is made up of drivers of the 8/40/41/69/89/335 & 336 services. This week he may be on Week Six out of the 50 on the rota, which dictates what days he is working, and what dutys he is doing on the days he is in. Those Dutys inform him the hours he is working on that day and the running boards he will be driving and at what points during those hours.
Quote from: karl724223 on September 07, 2013, 10:00:53 PM
Pensnett
Stourbridge 9 246
Merry hill 53 141 222 289 297/a
Dudley the rest
apart from the 141 and the 222 merry hil is for the likers of merc ;D
Quote from: dgss1 on September 08, 2013, 08:30:06 AM
Quote from: karl724223 on September 07, 2013, 10:00:53 PM
Pensnett
Stourbridge 9 246
Merry hill 53 141 222 289 297/a
Dudley the rest
apart from the 141 and the 222 merry hil is for the likers of merc ;D
There are more Merc routes on the Dudley rota!
BC::
Bristol Road: 45/47/61/63
Great Park: 98/99/x64
Harborne: 22/23
Weoley Castle: 24/29/29A
Coventry: 900/900E/957
Cranes Park: 56/58/59/60
Coleshill: 56/90
Tile Cross: 56/14
Chelmsley: 97A/97L/97P
The 56 used to have journeys on the CP, CH and TX rotas, I don't know if they still do.
'BC Mobile' did write a detailed message regarding the above rotas on a topic of which I can't remember.
The 56 early morning journeys have gone now, so I don't think so.
The 56 is only on the Coleshill rota
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 08, 2013, 11:36:24 AM
BC::
Bristol Road: 45/47/61/63
Great Park: 98/99/x64
Harborne: 22/23
Weoley Castle: 24/29/29A
Coventry: 900/900E/957
Cranes Park: 56/58/59/60
Coleshill: 56/90
Tile Cross: 56/14
Chelmsley: 97A/97L/97P
The 56 used to have journeys on the CP, CH and TX rotas, I don't know if they still do.
'BC Mobile' did write a detailed message regarding the above rotas on a topic of which I can't remember.
In this thread. Good bloke that BC Mobile:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1596.msg35466#msg35466
Quote from: Mike K on September 08, 2013, 01:49:30 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 08, 2013, 11:36:24 AM
BC::
Bristol Road: 45/47/61/63
Great Park: 98/99/x64
Harborne: 22/23
Weoley Castle: 24/29/29A
Coventry: 900/900E/957
Cranes Park: 56/58/59/60
Coleshill: 56/90
Tile Cross: 56/14
Chelmsley: 97A/97L/97P
The 56 used to have journeys on the CP, CH and TX rotas, I don't know if they still do.
'BC Mobile' did write a detailed message regarding the above rotas on a topic of which I can't remember.
In this thread. Good bloke that BC Mobile:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1596.msg35466#msg35466
Cheers for that Mike K. I might ask Tony to merge the two topics.
Merry hill 289, 53, 141, 222, 297/A
Stour 9, 246
Dudley 120, 140, 241, 205, 276, 243, 244
X96 x96, peak 256 I think
Quote from: pensnettdriver on September 08, 2013, 03:56:50 PM
Merry hill 289, 53, 141, 222, 297/A
Stour 9, 246
Dudley 120, 140, 241, 205, 276, 243, 244
X96 x96, peak 256 I think
So whatever Rota you go on cant avoid Birmingham
Think ill pick Merry Hill
Quote from: lynx1103 on September 08, 2013, 05:35:01 PM
Quote from: pensnettdriver on September 08, 2013, 03:56:50 PM
Merry hill 289, 53, 141, 222, 297/A
Stour 9, 246
Dudley 120, 140, 241, 205, 276, 243, 244
X96 x96, peak 256 I think
So whatever Rota you go on cant avoid Birmingham
Think ill pick Merry Hill
I'd be on the spare rota get to do a bit of everything, rather have variety than spend every day on the same routes
You mean you hope you will be on the Spare Rota? Wasn't there a thread some time back similar to this which included starter rotas too?
I'm sure the starter/beginner rota at WN is the 11/26/62/A
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 08, 2013, 06:51:25 PM
You mean you hope you will be on the Spare Rota? Wasn't there a thread some time back similar to this which included starter rotas too?
I'm sure the starter/beginner rota at WN is the 11/26/62/A
I mean, if I was a driver at Pensnett (or when I am hopefully!), out of choice I'd be on the spare rota for the reason given above
Not sure if there is a starter rota at Pensnett or what's on it?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 08, 2013, 06:52:45 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 08, 2013, 06:51:25 PM
You mean you hope you will be on the Spare Rota? Wasn't there a thread some time back similar to this which included starter rotas too?
I'm sure the starter/beginner rota at WN is the 11/26/62/A
I mean, if I was a driver at Pensnett (or when I am hopefully!), out of choice I'd be on the spare rota for the reason given above
Not sure if there is a starter rota at Pensnett or what's on it?
You wouldn't want to be on there for long as you don't know what you'll be doing until the Thursday prior.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 08, 2013, 07:17:13 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 08, 2013, 06:52:45 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 08, 2013, 06:51:25 PM
You mean you hope you will be on the Spare Rota? Wasn't there a thread some time back similar to this which included starter rotas too?
I'm sure the starter/beginner rota at WN is the 11/26/62/A
I mean, if I was a driver at Pensnett (or when I am hopefully!), out of choice I'd be on the spare rota for the reason given above
Not sure if there is a starter rota at Pensnett or what's on it?
You wouldn't want to be on there for long as you don't know what you'll be doing until the Thursday prior.
Good point - wouldn't like to suddenly find out I'm doing an early tomorrow morning. Having said that, I suppose the element of surprise would appeal to me
Looking at the Pensnett one
Statistically you would be more likely to get a E400 on the Stourbridge, B7 or merc on the Dudley and Merc on the Merry Hill Rota
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 08, 2013, 07:18:40 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 08, 2013, 07:17:13 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 08, 2013, 06:52:45 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 08, 2013, 06:51:25 PM
You mean you hope you will be on the Spare Rota? Wasn't there a thread some time back similar to this which included starter rotas too?
I'm sure the starter/beginner rota at WN is the 11/26/62/A
I mean, if I was a driver at Pensnett (or when I am hopefully!), out of choice I'd be on the spare rota for the reason given above
Not sure if there is a starter rota at Pensnett or what's on it?
You wouldn't want to be on there for long as you don't know what you'll be doing until the Thursday prior.
Good point - wouldn't like to suddenly find out I'm doing an early tomorrow morning. Having said that, I suppose the element of surprise would appeal to me
It'll get tiresome. Trust me mate. The only reason really you'll want to stay on the spares is family commitments where the garage has to give you permanent lates and its easier to be on spares then swapping on a rota.
Does anyone know the updated rotas for each garage and what routes are on them, as the ones already in this thread are outdated.
WB:
West Bromwich Rota:3/3A,5,40,42,43,44,45,46
Oldbury Rota:12/A,13/A,82,87
Soho Rota:47,49,74,80/A,89
Bearwood:10/S,47,48/A,49,54/A
WA
Brownhills
6 7 7A 8 8A 9 10 10A 35 37 41 77
Schools 7S
Bloxwich
19 29 31 32 70 70A
Bloxwich Late
19 29 31 32 70 70A
City
51 934 935 936 937 937A 997 X51
City Late
51 934 935 936 937 937A 997 X51
Schools 705 788 881
Splits/School Rota
29 32 36 39 41 51 934 935 936 937 937B 997 X51
51S 159 700 701 703 705 788 829 837 881
Bradford Place
11 11A 34 36 39
West Bromwich
4 4H 4M 45
Bradford Place Late
4 4H 4M 11 11A 34 36 39
Correct me if I'm wrong on this please!
WN Rota's
Pendeford rota
3/4/6/6A (Is the 54 on this rota since it got changed?)
Staffordshire Rota
5/5A/10/10A/10B
Birmingham Rota
8/X8/32/33
Walsall Rota
50/60/69/529
Bilston Rota
11/59/79/81/82/25/27/27A
I believe the Compton Park Schools are on this rota
Wombourne Rota
2/15/15A/16
Heard the 1 is on it's own rota and I'm not sure about the 61 & 62
Quote from: BusMan Greg on April 25, 2020, 07:55:44 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong on this please!
WN Rota's
Pendeford rota
3/4/6/6A (Is the 54 on this rota since it got changed?)
Staffordshire Rota
5/5A/10/10A/10B
Birmingham Rota
8/X8/32/33
Walsall Rota
50/60/69/529
Bilston Rota
11/59/79/81/82/25/27/27A
I believe the Compton Park Schools are on this rota
Wombourne Rota
2/15/15A/16
Heard the 1 is on it's own rota and I'm not sure about the 61 & 62
59 is on Walsall rota. 529 was merged with the New Cross rota a while back.
Unless it was merged in recently (before the service was suspended under the current situation), the 50 wasn't on the Walsall rota last time i checked.
I'm sure there are one or two PL staff who could confirm.
Quote from: Nathan on April 25, 2020, 08:56:41 PM
59 is on Walsall rota. 529 was merged with the New Cross rota a while back.
Unless it was merged in recently (before the service was suspended under the current situation), the 50 wasn't on the Walsall rota last time i checked.
I'm sure there are one or two PL staff who could confirm.
New cross rota??? And are the 54's on the pendeford rota now?
Quote from: BusMan Greg on April 25, 2020, 09:09:30 PM
New cross rota??? And are the 54's on the pendeford rota now?
Not sure on the 54. I don't take much interest in the rota side of things nowadays. 59 & 69 used to be seperate. Pretty sure it was called New Cross rota before it was merged a while back with the 529's.
Does anyone know the AG Rotas these days?
Also where are the crew change points for the services?
Quote from: gc802002 on July 03, 2020, 12:40:09 PM
Also where are the crew change points for the services?
11 is at the Garage.
Prior to lockdown I think X12/72 changed at Solihull Station, 1/1a/4/4a changed at Acocks Green Village and presumably still do.
Though sometimes the X12's also changed at City Centre pre lockdown? As I caught an X12 into the City Centre and different driver took it out - an evening peak journey operated by 6701 on January 9th 2020. Though they might not do that anymore now. Maybe it was something to do with the route length. And I observed this happening on a number ofother occasions as well, while waiting for the 55/94.
The 5 has its driver changes at Sarehole Mill.
Quote from: 2206 on July 03, 2020, 12:49:16 PM
11 is at the Garage.
Prior to lockdown I think X12/72 changed at Solihull Station, 1/1a/4/4a changed at Acocks Green Village and presumably still do.
Though sometimes the X12's also changed at City Centre pre lockdown? As I caught an X12 into the City Centre and different driver took it out - an evening peak journey operated by 6701 on January 9th 2020. Though they might not do that anymore now. No idea why or where he came from, maybe it was something to do with the route length. And I observed this happening on a number ofother occasions as well, while waiting for the 55/94.
X12 change at city still in the mornings I know for sure
Why is there an interest in driver rotas and things that surround it?
Quote from: Gareth on July 03, 2020, 05:06:29 PM
Why is there an interest in driver rotas and things that surround it?
@Gareth I think duty rotas are a work of art in galaxy a long time ago far far away I did a 2 to Bark Hill from Kiddy & back then a 192 from Kiddy to Ludlow then a 773 from Ludlow to Knighton & back then a 192 from Ludlow back to Kiddy all with a Lynx.
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 03, 2020, 05:34:03 PM
@Gareth I think duty rotas are a work of art in galaxy a long time ago far far away I did a 2 to Bark Hill from Kiddy & back then a 192 from Kiddy to Ludlow then a 773 from Ludlow to Knighton & back then a 192 from Ludlow back to Kiddy all with a Lynx.
It's a duty rota for the employees and drivers to know what they are doing. If someone posted on a public forum wanting to know about my work rota, I would think it was creepy and unappropriate.
Quote from: Gareth on July 03, 2020, 05:43:02 PM
It's a duty rota for the employees and drivers to know what they are doing. If someone posted on a public forum wanting to know about my work rota, I would think it was creepy and unappropriate.
@Gareth I fully accept & understand your comments the duty working I quoted was from 1993 & social media consisted solely of phoneing Live & Kicking in those days.
Quote from: Gareth on July 03, 2020, 05:43:02 PM
It's a duty rota for the employees and drivers to know what they are doing. If someone posted on a public forum wanting to know about my work rota, I would think it was creepy and unappropriate.
The only information on rotas we want to know is what routes are on them. I couldn't give a toss about what rota someone worked on.
Quote from: Pat on July 03, 2020, 06:09:40 PM
The only information on rotas we want to know is what routes are on them. I couldn't give a toss about what rota someone worked on.
But there's comments about where drivers change over and have breaks etc. It's weird.
Quote from: Gareth on July 03, 2020, 06:13:22 PM
But there's comments about where drivers change over and have breaks etc. It's weird.
Agreed
Quote from: Gareth on July 03, 2020, 06:13:22 PM
But there's comments about where drivers change over and have breaks etc. It's weird.
I can see where you're coming from. However, everyone can see where drivers change over anyway so I don't see how that seems weird?
Quote from: Pat on July 03, 2020, 06:28:59 PM
I can see where you're coming from. However, everyone can see where drivers change over anyway so I don't see how that seems weird?
What time do you start work? What time do you finish? What time and where do you go on your break? That's how it seems weird.
I honestly think that's there's no malice or ill intention and that some people are just obsessed with every bit of information, fact and number. But just be aware sometime the information craved is not appropriate to post publicly.
Quote from: Gareth on July 03, 2020, 06:41:48 PM
What time do you start work? What time do you finish? What time and where do you go on your break? That's how it seems weird.
I honestly think that's there's no malice or ill intention and that some people are just obsessed with every bit of information, fact and number. But just be aware sometime the information craved is not appropriate to post publicly.
I can't see any evidence in this thread of people asking start, break and finish times, or no one asking where drivers take their breaks.
I can understand why you think some of it is inappropriate, but I can't see anything in this thread that is a breach of GDPR, is commercially sensitive or intrudes driver privacy. Nobody really cares about a single driver's working day.
Quote from: Pat on July 03, 2020, 06:09:40 PM
The only information on rotas we want to know is what routes are on them. I couldn't give a toss about what rota someone worked on.
I do not agree
@Pat I think
@Gareth has a valid point that the duty workings are case sensitive to the company and its employees. I doubt in normal times I would want my movements live tracked on social media yesterday I was able to reply to
@Tony on Tridents on the 8E and I stand by that post as I refered to my detailed records I record daily I don't think I would want them in the public domain however as
@Gareth quite rightly says.
Quote from: Pat on July 03, 2020, 07:00:02 PM
Nobody really cares about a single driver's working day.
Oh they do! Photos of driver's rotas and drivers duties have appeared on Social media from garage open days in the past. One of the jobs we have to do now when organising them is cover them up.
I have also had to delete questions on here asking for details of duties
Quote from: Tony on July 03, 2020, 07:03:27 PM
Oh they do! Photos of driver's rotas and drivers duties have appeared on Social media from garage open days in the past. One of the jobs we have to do now when organising them is cover them up.
I have also had to delete questions on here asking for details of duties
But is that necessarily to do with individual drivers, or the routes etc on the rota? I think they perhaps may have been unaware of the sensitivity around that sort of information.
Quote from: Pat on July 03, 2020, 07:06:33 PM
But is that necessarily to do with individual drivers, or the routes etc on the rota? I think they perhaps may have been unaware of the sensitivity around that sort of information.
If you know the two halves of a duty if you see a driver in the morning you know where to find/assault/abuse etc in the afternoon!
Quote from: Tony on July 03, 2020, 07:10:47 PM
If you know the two halves of a duty if you see a driver in the morning you know where to find/assault/abuse etc in the afternoon!
Fair enough, in that sense it is where it becomes inappropriate. What I can't understand though is why people think it is intrusive asking what routes are on a rota?
Quote from: Pat on July 03, 2020, 07:06:33 PM
But is that necessarily to do with individual drivers, or the routes etc on the rota? I think they perhaps may have been unaware of the sensitivity around that sort of information.
It is a long time ago
@Pat but I would not have been happy if Midland Red West allowed my duty workings into the public domain to me that is no ones business except the company and its employees mind you I doubt the company would have been too happy slightly deviating the Centro 208 on a Sunday to drop my Aunty Vera off outside her house!
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 03, 2020, 07:13:45 PM
It is a long time ago @Pat but I would not have been happy if Midland Red West allowed my duty workings into the public domain to me that is no ones business except the company and its employees mind you I doubt the company would have been too happy slightly deviating the Centro 208 on a Sunday to drop my Aunty Vera off outside her house!
I completely agree with you
@WyreForestShuttle. I too wouldn't want my working week plastered all over social media for everyone to see. What I'm suggesting is that the enthusiast isn't necessarily interested in a particular driver's day, but rather the routes that are on a particular rota and the vehicles you'll find on there. It's who sees the photo afterwards that may be the biggest problem...
Quote from: Pat on July 03, 2020, 07:21:05 PM
I completely agree with you @WyreForestShuttle. I too wouldn't want my working week plastered all over social media for everyone to see. What I'm suggesting is that the enthusiast isn't necessarily interested in a particular driver's day, but rather the routes that are on a particular rota and the vehicles you'll find on there. It's who sees the photo afterwards that may be the biggest problem...
It's often the enthusiasts, the fans, the 'Stans' of society who cause the most nuisance, harm and danger. I'm not tarnishing all enthusiasts with that brush, I'm an enthusiast myself and am just as interested in certain things as the next person. Just be mindful and appropriate.
Quote from: Gareth on July 03, 2020, 07:27:30 PM
It's often the enthusiasts, the fans, the 'Stans' of society who cause the most nuisance, harm and danger. I'm not tarnishing all enthusiasts with that brush, I'm an enthusiast myself and am just as interested in certain things as the next person. Just be mindful and appropriate.
Yes, some enthusiasts can be the biggest nuisances. However, I feel that myself and others have been appropriate in this thread and have been mindful of sensitivity of information. I apologise personally and on behalf of others if you or any other staff members feel otherwise.
Quote from: Gareth on July 03, 2020, 07:27:30 PM
It's often the enthusiasts, the fans, the 'Stans' of society who cause the most nuisance, harm and danger. I'm not tarnishing all enthusiasts with that brush, I'm an enthusiast myself and am just as interested in certain things as the next person. Just be mindful and appropriate.
Fair points
@Pat @Gareth someone on this forum sent me a photo of me driving a Wyre Forest Shuttle Merc 0708 I was just pleased to stil have the blonde spiky hair today!
Quote from: Gareth on July 03, 2020, 06:41:48 PM
What time do you start work? What time do you finish? What time and where do you go on your break? That's how it seems weird.
I honestly think that's there's no malice or ill intention and that some people are just obsessed with every bit of information, fact and number. But just be aware sometime the information craved is not appropriate to post publicly.
One would hope you wouldn't go up to random drivers asking for rotas. It's nice to know if you got a driver you know well and what he's working, often more than happy to show you his rota in person
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 03, 2020, 08:57:14 PM
One would hope you wouldn't go up to random drivers asking for rotas. It's nice to know if you got a driver you know well and what he's working, often more than happy to show you his rota in person
So you wouldn't ask a random driver his Rota, but you would ask someone else, so you knew what random driver was doing
Quote from: Tony on July 03, 2020, 09:10:33 PM
So you wouldn't ask a random driver his Rota, but you would ask someone else, so you knew what random driver was doing
No. I have no interest in what a random driver rota is
Any chance of this topic being locked ?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 03, 2020, 09:52:06 PM
No. I have no interest in what a random driver rota is
It's a Rota. Once you know what one person does you know them all
Quote from: Tony on July 03, 2020, 10:13:55 PM
It's a Rota. Once you know what one person does you know them all
As I was actually a traine accountant at Midland Red West
@Tony I doubt whether anyone else ever had the duty rotas I was given to cover staff shortages at Kidderminster after passing my test on 101 I always got the felling I was the last resort...............
How many sensitive people is there? As if a random enthusiast is going to go up to a driver and demand his rota sheet, who really cares? I only like to see what routes are on which rotas, especially when I see a driver on a route i've never seen them do before but often on another route I usually see them on.
And no drivers name have been mentioned either so again, more sensitive comments...
Quote from: Jack on July 04, 2020, 12:48:35 AM
How many sensitive people is there? As if a random enthusiast is going to go up to a driver and demand his rota sheet, who really cares? I only like to see what routes are on which rotas, especially when I see a driver on a route i've never seen them do before but often on another route I usually see them on.
And no drivers name have been mentioned either so again, more sensitive comments...
I can honestly say
@Jack I drove for Midland Red West from 1993 to 1997 & no one ever asked to see my rota.
Quote from: Jack on July 04, 2020, 12:48:35 AM
How many sensitive people is there? As if a random enthusiast is going to go up to a driver and demand his rota sheet, who really cares? I only like to see what routes are on which rotas, especially when I see a driver on a route i've never seen them do before but often on another route I usually see them on.
There is one who has written to the company several time demanding the duty sheets.
The same 'enthusiast' who stole a bus in London and has various other dodgy practises
its easy to work out regular faces on same routes, but theres some enthusiasts who show an interest, especially some of the younger ones. they know what rota im on, and yes information about an individual driver etc shouldn't be asked, but then ive seen many enthusiasts become drivers or involved in other positions. ive made a few good friends over the years who are enthusiasts, and from all walks of life too. for some its just like the football or other hobbies and it gets people out and about
Quote from: Tony on July 04, 2020, 08:29:07 AM
There is one who has written to the company several time demanding the duty sheets.
The same 'enthusiast' who stole a bus in London and has various other dodgy practises
You have me all worked out don't you
@Tony smack on as Sir Richard Dasterdly would put it Drat Drat & Double Drat!
Quote from: Tony on July 04, 2020, 08:29:07 AM
There is one who has written to the company several time demanding the duty sheets.
The same 'enthusiast' who stole a bus in London and has various other dodgy practises
I am merely talking about sensitive comments on the forum.
Also, that is just completely unacceptable, the rota sheets are the drivers personal property, but I do not like people assuming that I'm out and watching every drivers move if they have a driver change. When all I'm interested is what routes are on the same rota.
This hobby is becoming too sensitive now.
Quote from: Jack on July 04, 2020, 09:50:11 AM
I am merely talking about sensitive comments on the forum.
Also, that is just completely unacceptable, the rota sheets are the drivers personal property, but I do not like people assuming that I'm out and watching every drivers move if they have a driver change. When all I'm interested is what routes are on the same rota.
This hobby is becoming too sensitive now.
It isn't too sensitive, It's just the hobby should be about the vehicles, and the operations, not about the people.
Quote from: Tony on July 04, 2020, 09:54:51 AM
It isn't too sensitive, It's just the hobby should be about the vehicles, and the operations, not about the people.
The drivers drive the vehicles? I'd understand if everyone was stating driver names but nobody has!
Quote from: Jack on July 04, 2020, 09:56:29 AM
The drivers drive the vehicles? I'd understand if everyone was stating driver names but nobody has!
You're missing the point. You catch
THE BUS. You take a photo of
THE BUS... not the driver. What routes the driver does is irrelevant unless you're personal friends with them.
Quote from: Dom on July 04, 2020, 09:58:07 AM
You're missing the point. You catch THE BUS. You take a photo of THE BUS
Hard to take a photo of a bus without a driver sitting in the cab... unless they aren't in it. So if I'm not personal friends I can't tell they are on the same rota because I've seen them on the 46 and the 40?
The rota's mean nothing really to me, I just get interested when I see one driver work a route you usually see them on and something else, but I don't ask as generally it isn't my business... no need to vlent a spleen is there?
Quote from: Dom on July 04, 2020, 09:58:07 AM
You're missing the point. You catch THE BUS. You take a photo of THE BUS
Exactly, someone after a driver who isn't a friend should be on the police records 😂
I have an historic question about Timesaver 901 in 1988.
WA take it over Walsall when the bus arrives in Birmingham according to timetable does a short to Lichfield then back to Birmingham with very little standing time.
Does the bus do a Walsall- Birmingham
Birmingham- Lichfield
Lichfield- Birmingham
Birmingham - Walsall loop which adds up to 06hr or does the 901 have 30 minutes standing in Birmingham or change to 951. Answers I'll never know. I was really keen on timesaver routes and vechiles at the time.
As a train driver, I always get asked on what I sign and where I'm going. I don't understand the big issue about it on here..
Quote from: PB2938 on July 22, 2020, 10:58:34 PM
I have an historic question about Timesaver 901 in 1988.
WA take it over Walsall when the bus arrives in Birmingham according to timetable does a short to Lichfield then back to Birmingham with very little standing time.
Does the bus do a Walsall- Birmingham
Birmingham- Lichfield
Lichfield- Birmingham
Birmingham - Walsall loop which adds up to 06hr or does the 901 have 30 minutes standing in Birmingham or change to 951. Answers I'll never know. I was really keen on timesaver routes and vechiles at the time.
They'd probably do two round trips between Walsall and Birmingham. That's around four hours, give or take a few minutes.
Quote from: markcf83 on July 24, 2020, 01:51:36 PM
They'd probably do two round trips between Walsall and Birmingham. That's around four hours, give or take a few minutes.
My WMT 1989 DJS book says 901 WA 4 Workings HY 2 Workings so probably Walsall - Birmingham then Birmingham- Lichfield Lichfield Birmingham then maybe change to a 951 to Walsall they both used the same stop. A question I'll never know. A driver told me there used to be Timesaver rotat
at WA 901 951 966 with 09hr duties sounds great.
At Hockley another Timesaver rota 901 966 101(Centrebus) 118 sounds great apart from doing 10 trips on the 101 20 mile ute round trip as centrebus.
if relief driver changeover is in Birmingham probably a Hockley duty on 901
Im not particularly fussed about duties and what drivers are on ect. However running boards i was if something "rare" was on a service. For example when the pershore rd first had platinum's on it or if there is a loan vechile then its easier to track. Now however i just use the timetables that are on the NXWM website to work out the timings for something and more often then not ive got the timings right.
Quote from: 4369Beast on September 30, 2020, 01:28:03 PM
Im not particularly fussed about duties and what drivers are on ect. However running boards i was if something "rare" was on a service. For example when the pershore rd first had platinum's on it or if there is a loan vechile then its easier to track. Now however i just use the timetables that are on the NXWM website to work out the timings for something and more often then not ive got the timings right.
Unless you had access to all the other relevant information, then using the running board to track a vehicle is difficult. For example, a vehicle you want to track is on board 45/07. That means nothing, as you don't know what times that board 45/07 does. Anyway, finding out what board a vehicle is on is hard in itself.
Quote from: Pat on September 30, 2020, 01:58:51 PM
Unless you had access to all the other relevant information, then using the running board to track a vehicle is difficult. For example, a vehicle you want to track is on board 45/07. That means nothing, as you don't know what times that board 45/07 does. Anyway, finding out what board a vehicle is on is hard in itself.
I did get told that once before although i much prefer to use the timetables instead off the website.
Quote from: 4369Beast on September 30, 2020, 02:06:23 PM
I did get told that once before although i much prefer to use the timetables instead off the website.
Yes, I use the timetable as well, although this is only useful if you've seen or heard where the vehicle was and at a certain time.
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 07, 2013, 09:18:51 PM
Perry Barr Rota`s
Sutton 115,902/4/5/7/914/915
Pheasey 46/66/66A/952
Kingstanding 33
Great Barr 28
Hamstead - 16
Perry Common 7/65
Castle Vale 67
Chelmsley Wood 94
Erdington 638
Missed out 1 or 2 i think
WA;
Stating the obvious is the 934/5/6, 997 & 51 all on 1 rota
X51/X56 on another ?
The Perry Barr rota's have been updated since.
Sutton Rota - 907/X3/X4/X5/X14
Pheasey Rota - 38/52/66/71/96
Kingstanding Rota - 33
Great Barr Rota -28
Perry Common Rota - 7/65
Oxhill Rota - 16/101
Castle Vale Rota - 67
Inner Circle Rota - 8A/8C.
Chelmsley Wood Rota - 94
School Rota - 815/838/838A/839/855/869/870/871
Spare Rota - X15
Walsall...
City Rota 51/934/935/936/937/937A/997/X51
Brownhills/Wilenhall Rota - 6/7/7A/8/8A/9/10/10A/37/41
Track Rota - 19/29/31/32/70/70A
Bradford Place Rota - 4/4H/4M/11/11A/34/36/39/45.
This is from what I know.
What do BC and AG rotas look ike (area and route wise) like has been said for PB and WA