Quite a few changes appear to be occurring on 27th October due to Tender changes. There seems to be a lot of potential withdrawals and not a lot of registrations yet (although WMSNT don't appear to be mentioned yet!).
Registrations on VOSA today are...
*327 - Arriva - Cancelled
*610 - Arriva - Cancelled
*298/299 - Arriva - Cancelled
*288 - Arriva - Cancelled (Confirmed in Birmingham Mail as passing to WMSNT)
*282 - Arriva - Cancelled
*80 - Arriva - Cancelled (Registered today by Diamond)
*224 - Arriva - Cancelled
*19 - Diamond - Cancelled
*44 - Diamond - Cancelled
*140 - Diamond - Cancelled
*22 - Diamond - Cancelled
*64 - Diamond - Cancelled
*287 - Diamond - Cancelled
*53 - Diamond - Cancelled
*240 - Diamond - Cancelled
*24 - Diamond - Cancelled
*19 - Central Buses - Cancelled
*75 - Blue Diamond - Cancelled
*19 - Blue Diamond - Cancelled
Other registrations include...
Diamond on the 647, 243 & 124
Central Buses on the 30 (West Brom - Great Bridge)
Arriva Midlands on the new 310 (Willenhall - Merry Hill)
I believe the Diamond 140 sunday morning journies are being taken over by NXWM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 06, 2013, 06:08:06 PM
I believe the Diamond 140 sunday morning journies are being taken over by NXWM
Yes that's correct. Must get round to riding a Diamond 140 one Sunday!
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 06, 2013, 06:09:56 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 06, 2013, 06:08:06 PM
I believe the Diamond 140 sunday morning journies are being taken over by NXWM
Yes that's correct. Must get round to riding a Diamond 140 one Sunday!
I know its correct ;)
There are several NXWM amendments from that date, including the 140.
On VOSA one route registered number 22 Walsall - Willenhall via New Invention is being withdrawn by Diamond. I believe this is actually the 41. The most logical company to take over would be NXWM, but they have no amendments registered on this route (they do on the 8/89, 997 & 10 in the Walsall area), and Arriva haven't registered the route. Does anybody know if this is actually the 41 and if it is being replaced?
Quote from: notepanel on September 06, 2013, 05:59:38 PM
Quite a few changes appear to be occurring on 27th October due to Tender changes. There seems to be a lot of potential withdrawals and not a lot of registrations yet (although WMSNT don't appear to be mentioned yet!).
Registrations on VOSA today are...
*327 - Arriva - Cancelled
*610 - Arriva - Cancelled
*298/299 - Arriva - Cancelled
*288 - Arriva - Cancelled (Confirmed in Birmingham Mail as passing to WMSNT)
*282 - Arriva - Cancelled
*80 - Arriva - Cancelled (Registered today by Diamond)
*224 - Arriva - Cancelled
*19 - Diamond - Cancelled
*44 - Diamond - Cancelled
*140 - Diamond - Cancelled
*22 - Diamond - Cancelled
*64 - Diamond - Cancelled
*287 - Diamond - Cancelled
*53 - Diamond - Cancelled
*240 - Diamond - Cancelled
*24 - Diamond - Cancelled
*19 - Central Buses - Cancelled
*75 - Blue Diamond - Cancelled
*19 - Blue Diamond - Cancelled
Other registrations include...
Diamond on the 647, 243 & 124
Central Buses on the 30 (West Brom - Great Bridge)
Arriva Midlands on the new 310 (Willenhall - Merry Hill)
19 is going to WNSNT, 4 brand new Solo SRs I believe for it
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 06, 2013, 06:15:33 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 06, 2013, 06:09:56 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 06, 2013, 06:08:06 PM
I believe the Diamond 140 sunday morning journies are being taken over by NXWM
Yes that's correct. Must get round to riding a Diamond 140 one Sunday!
I know its correct ;)
Oh you sounded like you were unsure. Only trying to help :)
Quote from: Tony on September 06, 2013, 06:16:40 PM
Quote from: notepanel on September 06, 2013, 05:59:38 PM
Quite a few changes appear to be occurring on 27th October due to Tender changes. There seems to be a lot of potential withdrawals and not a lot of registrations yet (although WMSNT don't appear to be mentioned yet!).
Registrations on VOSA today are...
*327 - Arriva - Cancelled
*610 - Arriva - Cancelled
*298/299 - Arriva - Cancelled
*288 - Arriva - Cancelled (Confirmed in Birmingham Mail as passing to WMSNT)
*282 - Arriva - Cancelled
*80 - Arriva - Cancelled (Registered today by Diamond)
*224 - Arriva - Cancelled
*19 - Diamond - Cancelled
*44 - Diamond - Cancelled
*140 - Diamond - Cancelled
*22 - Diamond - Cancelled
*64 - Diamond - Cancelled
*287 - Diamond - Cancelled
*53 - Diamond - Cancelled
*240 - Diamond - Cancelled
*24 - Diamond - Cancelled
*19 - Central Buses - Cancelled
*75 - Blue Diamond - Cancelled
*19 - Blue Diamond - Cancelled
Other registrations include...
Diamond on the 647, 243 & 124
Central Buses on the 30 (West Brom - Great Bridge)
Arriva Midlands on the new 310 (Willenhall - Merry Hill)
19 is going to WNSNT, 4 brand new Solo SRs I believe for it
Which of the three 19's changing is that Tony please!?
Quote from: notepanel on September 06, 2013, 06:18:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 06, 2013, 06:16:40 PM
Quote from: notepanel on September 06, 2013, 05:59:38 PM
Quite a few changes appear to be occurring on 27th October due to Tender changes. There seems to be a lot of potential withdrawals and not a lot of registrations yet (although WMSNT don't appear to be mentioned yet!).
Registrations on VOSA today are...
*327 - Arriva - Cancelled
*610 - Arriva - Cancelled
*298/299 - Arriva - Cancelled
*288 - Arriva - Cancelled (Confirmed in Birmingham Mail as passing to WMSNT)
*282 - Arriva - Cancelled
*80 - Arriva - Cancelled (Registered today by Diamond)
*224 - Arriva - Cancelled
*19 - Diamond - Cancelled
*44 - Diamond - Cancelled
*140 - Diamond - Cancelled
*22 - Diamond - Cancelled
*64 - Diamond - Cancelled
*287 - Diamond - Cancelled
*53 - Diamond - Cancelled
*240 - Diamond - Cancelled
*24 - Diamond - Cancelled
*19 - Central Buses - Cancelled
*75 - Blue Diamond - Cancelled
*19 - Blue Diamond - Cancelled
Other registrations include...
Diamond on the 647, 243 & 124
Central Buses on the 30 (West Brom - Great Bridge)
Arriva Midlands on the new 310 (Willenhall - Merry Hill)
19 is going to WNSNT, 4 brand new Solo SRs I believe for it
Which of the three 19's changing is that Tony please!?
The Cotteridge one
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 06, 2013, 06:27:00 PM
Quote from: John on September 06, 2013, 06:25:14 PM
Quote from: Jon on September 06, 2013, 06:22:55 PM
Quote from: notepanel on September 06, 2013, 05:59:38 PM
*24 - Diamond - Cancelled
which 24?
The Dudley 24 I guess. as Diamond only run on that one
According to the NWM site Diamond run on a 24 in Walsall
Never heard of that one, Thanks Matt :)
Will it be that one (Walsall Wood - Brownhills), or the Dudley 24
Quote from: notepanel on September 06, 2013, 05:59:38 PM
Quite a few changes appear to be occurring on 27th October due to Tender changes. There seems to be a lot of potential withdrawals and not a lot of registrations yet (although WMSNT don't appear to be mentioned yet!).
Registrations on VOSA today are...
*327 - Arriva - Cancelled
*610 - Arriva - Cancelled
*298/299 - Arriva - Cancelled
*288 - Arriva - Cancelled (Confirmed in Birmingham Mail as passing to WMSNT)
*282 - Arriva - Cancelled
*80 - Arriva - Cancelled (Registered today by Diamond)
*224 - Arriva - Cancelled
*19 - Diamond - Cancelled
*44 - Diamond - Cancelled
*140 - Diamond - Cancelled
*22 - Diamond - Cancelled
*64 - Diamond - Cancelled
*287 - Diamond - Cancelled
*53 - Diamond - Cancelled
*240 - Diamond - Cancelled
*24 - Diamond - Cancelled
*19 - Central Buses - Cancelled
*75 - Blue Diamond - Cancelled
*19 - Blue Diamond - Cancelled
Other registrations include...
Diamond on the 647, 243 & 124
Central Buses on the 30 (West Brom - Great Bridge)
Arriva Midlands on the new 310 (Willenhall - Merry Hill)
That is a lot of tender losses for diamond and no wonder that fleet requirements will be assessed after this. In many ways, I think this will reduce even more the number of smaller buses in the fleet so now is the time to try to get shot of a load of mpds and primos
I think Simon mentioned before that the 4/4H/4M service is being considered and may be some changes may occur when I mentioned about the sunday services hopefully these will be reinstated in the coming months.
Also the problem with losing so many tenders is that there will be less work for drivers so either more commercial work has to be taken on or drivers are moved elsewhere in the business or made redundant.
Quote from: Ash on September 06, 2013, 06:52:21 PM
I think Simon mentioned before that the 4/4H/4M service is being considered and may be some changes may occur when I mentioned about the sunday services hopefully these will be reinstated in the coming months.
Also the problem with losing so many tenders is that there will be less work for drivers so either more commercial work has to be taken on or drivers are moved elsewhere in the business or made redundant.
This too many drivers thing has happened before when redditch/kidderminster were acquired but funnily enough there were no redundancies and they were soon advertising for drivers-think they still are so a lot jumped ship. Yeah the 4 group could use evening/sunday services as could the 002 to take up the slack made by the loss of contracts though its long acre who will suffer as they cannot really improve any routes-ie 16/50 already have early/evening/sunday services though chucking a few extra buses on the 16/50 is never a bad thing to be honest. And I would look again at the 004 as hansons seem to be doing ok on it so free buses 5 mins beforehand would be a good start, get the route and stick some decent longer darts on it and it would take off or possibly even curtail it to quinton to merry hill. 202 can be improved with an extension to merry hill and redditch-adding to the network. Could some of the birmingham routes not be looked again at as well and possibly if long acre have too many drivers and redditch not enough drivers or space, could the 146 improved obviously be transferred to long acre to free up some room at redditch as more land cannot be acquired overnight. I would like to see more commercial route improvements in order to compensate for the loss of contracted work. I really would look again at some of the axed commercial routes that they didnt allow time to take off eg 529e-3 months!!!
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 06, 2013, 07:29:07 PM
Quote from: Ash on September 06, 2013, 06:52:21 PM
I think Simon mentioned before that the 4/4H/4M service is being considered and may be some changes may occur when I mentioned about the sunday services hopefully these will be reinstated in the coming months.
Also the problem with losing so many tenders is that there will be less work for drivers so either more commercial work has to be taken on or drivers are moved elsewhere in the business or made redundant.
This too many drivers thing has happened before when redditch/kidderminster were acquired but funnily enough there were no redundancies and they were soon advertising for drivers-think they still are so a lot jumped ship. Yeah the 4 group could use evening/sunday services as could the 002 to take up the slack made by the loss of contracts though its long acre who will suffer as they cannot really improve any routes-ie 16/50 already have early/evening/sunday services though chucking a few extra buses on the 16/50 is never a bad thing to be honest. And I would look again at the 004 as hansons seem to be doing ok on it so free buses 5 mins beforehand would be a good start, get the route and stick some decent longer darts on it and it would take off or possibly even curtail it to quinton to merry hill. 202 can be improved with an extension to merry hill and redditch-adding to the network. Could some of the birmingham routes not be looked again at as well and possibly if long acre have too many drivers and redditch not enough drivers or space, could the 146 improved obviously be transferred to long acre to free up some room at redditch as more land cannot be acquired overnight. I would like to see more commercial route improvements in order to compensate for the loss of contracted work. I really would look again at some of the axed commercial routes that they didnt allow time to take off eg 529e-3 months!!!
What's the point of Diamond running 5 mins infront of Hansons? Effectively trying to push Hansons off an ex Ludlows route that Diamond chose to give up in the first place.... along with the 006, 007 & 230. I suspect Hansons reintroduced the 004 in the first case based on advice from the former Ludlows owner Derek Ludlow who still helps out driving for them on occasions. The 146 definitely has potential for being increased in frequency & operating hours as does the 143, with the 143 possibly also reverting back to Birmingham. I also think the 202 could be doubled in frequency to half hourly an extension to Merry Hill could be an option and possibly Redditch as well to complment/fit with the 143. An alternative to a direct 004 maybe to link Northfield, Selly Oak & Harborne with Merry Hill & fit a new half hourly service with the current 002 to provide a Diamond bus every 10 mins. Extending the 002 operating hours & introduce a Sunday daytime service to suit Merry Hill opening hours is just crying out.....
Anyway going back on topic, I wholeheartedly doubt we shall see any WMSNT registrations on VOSA site (except the Notices And Proceedings) because of the type of O Licence WMSNT use
Quote from: notepanel on September 06, 2013, 05:59:38 PM
Quite a few changes appear to be occurring on 27th October due to Tender changes. There seems to be a lot of potential withdrawals and not a lot of registrations yet (although WMSNT don't appear to be mentioned yet!).
Registrations on VOSA today are...
*327 - Arriva - Cancelled
*610 - Arriva - Cancelled
*298/299 - Arriva - Cancelled
*288 - Arriva - Cancelled (Confirmed in Birmingham Mail as passing to WMSNT)
*282 - Arriva - Cancelled
*80 - Arriva - Cancelled (Registered today by Diamond)
*224 - Arriva - Cancelled
*19 - Diamond - Cancelled
*44 - Diamond - Cancelled
*140 - Diamond - Cancelled
*22 - Diamond - Cancelled
*64 - Diamond - Cancelled
*287 - Diamond - Cancelled
*53 - Diamond - Cancelled
*240 - Diamond - Cancelled
*24 - Diamond - Cancelled
*19 - Central Buses - Cancelled
*75 - Blue Diamond - Cancelled
*19 - Blue Diamond - Cancelled
Other registrations include...
Diamond on the 647, 243 & 124
Central Buses on the 30 (West Brom - Great Bridge)
Arriva Midlands on the new 310 (Willenhall - Merry Hill)
Interesting, Wonder if the 310 will take off and the route it will take along the way. Also wonder the route of the new Hansons X26. Also, are the diAMOND 243 registration for Evenings and Sundays? Wonder if there is a new op for 287 on Sundays?
Yes the Diamond 243 will be the Evening/Sunday operation. Also in responce to the 310 route it is the 327 (Willenhall-Wednesbury) and the 610 (Wednesbury-Dudley) merged and extended to Merry Hill in which i don't have a clue which path it will take
So much for new routes, saying that when the buffoons at centro are behind them no wonder the 22 and 24 havent worked.
Quote from: bususer12 on September 07, 2013, 09:09:07 PM
So much for new routes, saying that when the buffoons at centro are behind them no wonder the 22 and 24 havent worked.
I thought Centro only Funded the routes not ran them ?, is that not up to the garage
I mean that they have created awful routes to tender out, those and 226w spring to mind
Quote from: notepanel on September 06, 2013, 05:59:38 PM
Quite a few changes appear to be occurring on 27th October due to Tender changes. There seems to be a lot of potential withdrawals and not a lot of registrations yet (although WMSNT don't appear to be mentioned yet!).
Registrations on VOSA today are...
*327 - Arriva - Cancelled
*610 - Arriva - Cancelled
*298/299 - Arriva - Cancelled
*288 - Arriva - Cancelled (Confirmed in Birmingham Mail as passing to WMSNT)
*282 - Arriva - Cancelled
*80 - Arriva - Cancelled (Registered today by Diamond)
*224 - Arriva - Cancelled
*19 - Diamond - Cancelled
*44 - Diamond - Cancelled
*140 - Diamond - Cancelled
*22 - Diamond - Cancelled
*64 - Diamond - Cancelled
*287 - Diamond - Cancelled
*53 - Diamond - Cancelled
*240 - Diamond - Cancelled
*24 - Diamond - Cancelled
*19 - Central Buses - Cancelled
*75 - Blue Diamond - Cancelled
*19 - Blue Diamond - Cancelled
Other registrations include...
Diamond on the 647, 243 & 124
Central Buses on the 30 (West Brom - Great Bridge)
Arriva Midlands on the new 310 (Willenhall - Merry Hill)
Wonder if Diamond are putting them primos back on 647
Alot of the cancellations by diamond are evening and sunday services. I'm sure introducing a sunday service on services such as the 4/002 at every 15 minutes would use up 10 buses and drivers of whom would have no work.
The 19 (Maypole-Longbridge) 22, 24, 64, 75 & 240 are the daytime services that Diamond have lost.
But they have gained daytime routes 124 off Hansons & the 282 off Arriva
Personally, I think Diamond should now focus on growing their commercial services and potentially introduce a few new ones to provide replacement work for drivers & buses. It's clear that Centro tender prices are going to be under pressure for sometime to come whilst WMSNT are still bidding for routes.
Intrigued by Diamond registered on the 647, does it mean they've registered to run it commercially or is it just that they've won the tender to run it? Reckon they'll do anything with it / to it?
With the loss of all this tendered work, now is definitely the time for Diamond to enhance their commercial network.
As with many others on here, an evening and sunday service on the 002 needs to be tried again. Even if only at evening 30 minutes. It is well used during the daytime, and Merry Hill is busier on a Sunday than during the week . There has to be some scope for potential here, even if it only operates during shopping hours.
The 4/4H/4M should be operated during evening and sundays as well. If it can match the NXWM frequency, then there is potential for this to work too.
With the 007 split several years back, it is worth trialling the 202 to Merry Hill again to restore this link. If the 202 can be amalgamated with the 143 this would see the Redditch - Merry Hill link once again restored.
The 146 needs improving too. Firstly, the peak hour offering needs reviewing. The last bus leaves Birmingham far to early for it to be useful to the avergae 9-5 worker, and with a huge gap between the first and second bus arriving in Birmingham they are missing a trick here. Secondly, once the 146 leaves Worcestershire it needs to stop at every stop on route. Several stops along the Pershore Road are 45/47 only.
Could the 146 be amended to run from Cotteridge, via Linden Road to Selly Oak and then along the Bristol Road as no other service currently links Bournville with Birmingham? I'm sure any drop in revenue along this section of the Pershore Road would be offset against potential new passengers picked up through Bournville. It's worth looking into.
anyone know who will be running the 75 ex Blue Diamond route if anyone
Quote from: sonic84 on September 08, 2013, 10:48:27 AM
With the loss of all this tendered work, now is definitely the time for Diamond to enhance their commercial network.
As with many others on here, an evening and sunday service on the 002 needs to be tried again. Even if only at evening 30 minutes. It is well used during the daytime, and Merry Hill is busier on a Sunday than during the week . There has to be some scope for potential here, even if it only operates during shopping hours.
The 4/4H/4M should be operated during evening and sundays as well. If it can match the NXWM frequency, then there is potential for this to work too.
With the 007 split several years back, it is worth trialling the 202 to Merry Hill again to restore this link. If the 202 can be amalgamated with the 143 this would see the Redditch - Merry Hill link once again restored.
The 146 needs improving too. Firstly, the peak hour offering needs reviewing. The last bus leaves Birmingham far to early for it to be useful to the avergae 9-5 worker, and with a huge gap between the first and second bus arriving in Birmingham they are missing a trick here. Secondly, once the 146 leaves Worcestershire it needs to stop at every stop on route. Several stops along the Pershore Road are 45/47 only.
Could the 146 be amended to run from Cotteridge, via Linden Road to Selly Oak and then along the Bristol Road as no other service currently links Bournville with Birmingham? I'm sure any drop in revenue along this section of the Pershore Road would be offset against potential new passengers picked up through Bournville. It's worth looking into.
Some really sensible ideas here from Ash and sonic84 and I agree that buses need to be redeployed on the 002/4/H/M and redditch routes improved. Would it also be worth making the 4M every 30 mins-just before Nx would be great and the same trick with the 56-? renumbered 936 and frequency increased-5 mins before nx again would be nice. If diamond wanted to occupy buses on a sunday then there could be at least 3 working the 002-the full 6 in an evening though until fairly late-maybe centro could offer to subsidise it as a trial?? instead of wasting money on epaper bus stops that is....
Bournville needs better links to Birmingham that is true and I would like to see diamond do this re-routing as well as possibly re-extending the 143 to birmingham possibly called the X43 and made into an express route.
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 08, 2013, 11:03:28 AM
anyone know who will be running the 75 ex Blue Diamond route if anyone
WMSNT according to what was posted in WMSNT section by Tony
Quote from: Tony on July 27, 2013, 08:40:18 PM
75
Aldridge to Kingstanding via Barr Beacon
WMSNT
I knew I had posted the full list somewhere, yes, here it is repeated
80
Moxley & Bilston via Lower Bradley
Diamond
54
Worlds End to West Bromwich
Diamond
49
West Bromwich & Brandhall via Causeway Green
WMT
75
Aldridge to Kingstanding via Barr Beacon
WMSNT
22
Wolverhampton to Russells Hall Hospital
Not let - too expensive
71
Solihull to Sutton Coldfield via Chelmsley Wood & Castle Vale
Connect
243
Dudley & Cradley Heath via Timbertree & Lyde Green
Diamond
44
West Bromwich to Tipton via Hill Top & Great Bridge - vehicle option
WMSNT
288
Stourbridge & Norton via Chawn Hill & Oldswinford
WMSNT
S10
Solihull to Cranes Park via Sheldon
Silverline
647
Five Ways to Weoley Castle
Connect
91
Birmingham International to Chelmsley Wood Int via Digby Drive
WMSNT
19
Maypole & Longbridge via Cotteridge & Northfield - vehicle option
WMSNT
5
The Baldwin to Solihull
WMT
53
West Bromwich to Bearwood Bus Station
WMSNT
240
Stourbridge & Cradley Heath via Lye
267
Stourbridge & Kingswinford via Ashwood Park
Hansons
298/299
Stourbridge & Pedmore Fields Circular
WMSNT
208
Dudley & Cradley Heath/Merry Hill via Brickhouse Farm
Hansons
966
Solihull to Erdington
Not let - too expensive
124
Cradley Heath & Dudley via Netherton
Diamond
S1
Solihull Station to Damson Parkway
WMSNT
282
Merry Hill & Gornal Wood via Dudley
Diamond
55
Brandhall & Cape Hill via Smethwick
Diamond
64
West Bromwich to Wednesbury
WMSNT
30
West Bromwich to Great Bridge
decision deferred
24
Foxyards to Merry Hill Centre via Dudley
WMSNT
122
Oldbury to Bearwood via Langley
Diamond
40
Wednesbury and West Bromwich via Friar Park
WMT
140
Dudley & Birmingham via Blackheath
WMT
966
B'ham Airport to Erdington via Chelmsley Wood
Not let - high cost
WMSNT have took on quite a few routes (:
Oooh! The 19 is wmsnt ! Finally get a bit of punctuality.
The 240 is WMSNT and the 30 is Central Buses
53 to WMSNT.. Hopefully they'll run E200s on it
take it the 22 is withdrawn then?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 08, 2013, 09:39:38 PM
take it the 22 is withdrawn then?
Think so. Looking at the loadings no one ever uses it anyway
No, results for revised tender due shortly.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 08, 2013, 09:39:38 PM
take it the 22 is withdrawn then?
If if itsn't withdrawn i wonder who will take over it? Arriva? WMSNT?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 08, 2013, 09:40:37 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 08, 2013, 09:39:38 PM
take it the 22 is withdrawn then?
Think so. Looking at the loadings no one ever uses it anyway
I use it, I like a MPD all to myself ;) I can share with 2/3 others though if I have to ;D
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 09, 2013, 09:41:18 AM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 08, 2013, 09:40:37 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 08, 2013, 09:39:38 PM
take it the 22 is withdrawn then?
Think so. Looking at the loadings no one ever uses it anyway
I use it, I like a MPD all to myself ;) I can share with 2/3 others though if I have to ;D
That's what I have the Arriva 142 for - Arriva's MPDs are better!
Quote from: Sh4166 on September 08, 2013, 09:33:26 PM
53 to WMSNT.. Hopefully they'll run E200s on it
Why?? no one uses it.
The 53 should be to merry hill on sundays though
Quote from: dgss1 on September 09, 2013, 03:58:36 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on September 08, 2013, 09:33:26 PM
53 to WMSNT.. Hopefully they'll run E200s on it
Why?? no one uses it.
The 53 should be to merry hill on sundays though
Well it's better than Solos and whatever else they've got... Why? The route tends to quiet down around 5-6 o'clock on evenings, can't see much demand for it on Sundays myself