It's reported on the Yourbus Yahoo group that their Tuxford depot is due to close during March, with the 6 x Trident/Plaxton Presidents 2501-4, 2506 & 2507 (X---EGK) surplus to requirement transferring to Wessex Connect!?!
I still think that there is more than meets they eye between the Rotala & Yourbus relationship........
I like how Your bus seems to borrow buses from the diamond operations should borrow some of Your bus Citaro's permanently lol.
Quote from: Winston on February 17, 2013, 10:24:53 PM
It's reported on the Yourbus Yahoo group that their Tuxford depot is due to close during March, with the 6 x Trident/Plaxton Presidents 2501-4, 2506 & 2507 (X---EGK) surplus to requirement transferring to Wessex Connect!?!
I still think that there is more than meets they eye between the Rotala & Yourbus relationship........
is there not a family conection ?
Quote from: bowler on February 17, 2013, 11:03:56 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 17, 2013, 10:24:53 PM
It's reported on the Yourbus Yahoo group that their Tuxford depot is due to close during March, with the 6 x Trident/Plaxton Presidents 2501-4, 2506 & 2507 (X---EGK) surplus to requirement transferring to Wessex Connect!?!
I still think that there is more than meets they eye between the Rotala & Yourbus relationship........
is there not a family conection ?
The Dunn's is the family connection (of Dunn-line fame), Simon & Bob Dunn still work for Rotala while Scott Dunn during his time as MD of Diamond Bus also set up Yourbus on the side as his own venture. Scott left Diamond & Rotala to concentrate on the Yourbus operation
Quote from: Winston on February 17, 2013, 11:18:24 PM
Quote from: bowler on February 17, 2013, 11:03:56 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 17, 2013, 10:24:53 PM
It's reported on the Yourbus Yahoo group that their Tuxford depot is due to close during March, with the 6 x Trident/Plaxton Presidents 2501-4, 2506 & 2507 (X---EGK) surplus to requirement transferring to Wessex Connect!?!
I still think that there is more than meets they eye between the Rotala & Yourbus relationship........
is there not a family conection ?
The Dunn's is the family connection (of Dunn-line fame), Simon & Bob Dunn still work for Rotala while Scott Dunn during his time as MD of Diamond Bus also set up Yourbus on the side as his own venture. Scott left Diamond & Rotala to concentrate on the Yourbus operation
that is how I thought is was ,
Quote from: Winston on February 17, 2013, 10:24:53 PM
It's reported on the Yourbus Yahoo group that their Tuxford depot is due to close during March, with the 6 x Trident/Plaxton Presidents 2501-4, 2506 & 2507 (X---EGK) surplus to requirement transferring to Wessex Connect!?!
I still think that there is more than meets they eye between the Rotala & Yourbus relationship........
on todays vosa at least 13 your bus registration have been cancelled from 31/3/13
Quote from: bowler on February 20, 2013, 04:37:22 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 17, 2013, 10:24:53 PM
It's reported on the Yourbus Yahoo group that their Tuxford depot is due to close during March, with the 6 x Trident/Plaxton Presidents 2501-4, 2506 & 2507 (X---EGK) surplus to requirement transferring to Wessex Connect!?!
I still think that there is more than meets they eye between the Rotala & Yourbus relationship........
on todays vosa at least 13 your bus registration have been cancelled from 31/3/13
That will be because they are closing their Tuxford depot mid March
Quote from: Winston on February 20, 2013, 04:42:39 PM
Quote from: bowler on February 20, 2013, 04:37:22 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 17, 2013, 10:24:53 PM
It's reported on the Yourbus Yahoo group that their Tuxford depot is due to close during March, with the 6 x Trident/Plaxton Presidents 2501-4, 2506 & 2507 (X---EGK) surplus to requirement transferring to Wessex Connect!?!
I still think that there is more than meets they eye between the Rotala & Yourbus relationship........
on todays vosa at least 13 your bus registration have been cancelled from 31/3/13
That will be because they are closing their Tuxford depot mid March
have your bus anymore depots, only asking because do not know much about them or the rotala group
Rotala are also advertising 10 x presidents for sale in this week's route one magazine and preston only have ablout 6 suggesting that rotala are selling some ex yourbus presidents.
www.catchyourbus.co.uk has info on the fleet & company
Quote from: Peter123 on February 20, 2013, 05:07:07 PM
Rotala are also advertising 10 x presidents for sale in this week's route one magazine and preston only have ablout 6 suggesting that rotala are selling some ex yourbus presidents.
im surprised rotala arnt keeping them for ex-firstbus work
Unless its the first ones theyve got for sale? Just thought
I've just checked and apparently there are 10 presidents passing from First to Rotala so maybe it is there that are up for sale?
Quote from: Peter123 on February 20, 2013, 05:07:07 PM
Rotala are also advertising 10 x presidents for sale in this week's route one magazine and preston only have ablout 6 suggesting that rotala are selling some ex yourbus presidents.
Thanks for that never clocked that, they could also be the 10 x Presidents that they will be inheriting from First with the Redditch operation
Doesn't surprise me as Diamond don't operate any double decker vehicles so the presidents would have been an odd vehicle. Hope the service don't need the capacity of double deckers then.
Quote from: bowler on February 20, 2013, 04:46:33 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 20, 2013, 04:42:39 PM
Quote from: bowler on February 20, 2013, 04:37:22 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 17, 2013, 10:24:53 PM
It's reported on the Yourbus Yahoo group that their Tuxford depot is due to close during March, with the 6 x Trident/Plaxton Presidents 2501-4, 2506 & 2507 (X---EGK) surplus to requirement transferring to Wessex Connect!?!
I still think that there is more than meets they eye between the Rotala & Yourbus relationship........
on todays vosa at least 13 your bus registration have been cancelled from 31/3/13
That will be because they are closing their Tuxford depot mid March
have your bus anymore depots, only asking because do not know much about them or the rotala group
They currently have depots in Heanor, Tuxford (To close in mid March) & Durham. They operate a fleet of 55 coaches all in NX livery plus another 60 buses in the Durham / Nottingham & Derbyshire areas
To be fair I wouldnt put deckers on redditch services as based on my observations there seemed to be even in daylight hours quite a lot of antisocial behaviour. I've just found a flaw with the theory which is that rotala's presidents being sold have between 66 and 71 seats but the ex first ones according to Tony's website only seat 60 although maybe this is a mistake as it seems quite low although I know they are short length.
There was a Yourbus decker in the yard at Longacre at lunchtime.
Yeah i noticed that too is the black diamond dart there t445ebd
Does anyone think that Yourbus will merge with Rotlala in the furture?
Quote from: dannygill on March 22, 2013, 09:54:24 PM
Does anyone think that Yourbus will merge with Rotlala in the furture?
think there might be a 50% chance of it happing
Quote from: bewminster on March 22, 2013, 09:57:21 PM
Quote from: dannygill on March 22, 2013, 09:54:24 PM
Does anyone think that Yourbus will merge with Rotlala in the furture?
think there might be a 50% chance of it happing
Perhaps your bus could buy diamond west mids?
Quote from: dannygill on March 22, 2013, 09:54:24 PM
Does anyone think that Yourbus will merge with Rotlala in the furture?
Given the family connections between Yourbus & Rotala is stands a decent chance of happening, that said Scott Dunn may not want to sell out & instead grow Yourbus to a similar size as Rotala Group, we also don't know why he decided to left Diamond Bus/Rotala
I can see a Merger on the cards at some point and it will be "to save Diamond" from flopping.
Your Bus won't buy Diamond as Scott has an interest in Rotala so wont want to rock and boats but if Diamond was to merge with Your Bus that would be a different kettle of fish as Your bus wouldn't have been sold to Rotala and Diamond wouldn't have been sold to Dunn Motor Traction (or what ever the company is). Personally I hope its sooner rather than later because with him at the helm First will get colder feet in Worcester and Arriva will have there little game squashed alittle because its not just about money its about leadership.
Quote from: tank90 on March 23, 2013, 12:12:37 AM
I can see a Merger on the cards at some point and it will be "to save Diamond" from flopping.
Your Bus won't buy Diamond as Scott has an interest in Rotala so wont want to rock and boats but if Diamond was to merge with Your Bus that would be a different kettle of fish as Your bus wouldn't have been sold to Rotala and Diamond wouldn't have been sold to Dunn Motor Traction (or what ever the company is). Personally I hope its sooner rather than later because with him at the helm First will get colder feet in Worcester and Arriva will have there little game squashed alittle because its not just about money its about leadership.
Other than the family connection Scott Dunn doesn't no longer has any involvement with Rotala. Bob & Simon Dunn own a 4.53% shareholding in Rotala Plc
I thought he was on the board but had no voting rights as he was on something that Tony had posted earlier this month :/
I don't think he has any involvement in Rotala Plc these days
Rotala Plc Board of Directors
John Gunn
Non-Executive Chairman
Aged 70, director of a number of quoted and unquoted companies including HydroDec Group plc and The 181 Fund Limited. He was formerly chief executive officer of Exco International plc, and chairman of Telerate Inc and of British & Commonwealth Holdings plc.
Simon Dunn
Chief Executive
Aged 37, has operational responsibility for the business of the group. He has been employed in the transport industry all of his working life and has been working for the Flights businesses since 2004. He previously worked for various businesses in the Dunn-Line Holdings group.
Kim Taylor
Group Finance Director
Aged 57, qualified as a chartered accountant in 1982 with KPMG and continued to work there until 1986. In that year, he left to join Exco Plc, where between 1992 and 1998 he was Group Finance Director. He was Group Finance Director of Intercapital plc between 1998 and 1999 and Group Finance Director of Prebon Group Limited between 2001 and 2002.
Geoffrey Flight
Non-Executive Director
Aged 55, has had 26 years experience in the transport industry in which he is a well-known figure. He retains an active role in his private family businesses, Flights Conference Services Limited, Flights Coaches Limited, Flights Management Services Limited and Central Coachways Limited, of all of which companies he remains a director.
Robert Dunn
Non-Executive Director
Aged 59, has 40 years experience of the transport sector, both in private and AIM-listed businesses. Robert previously founded and became Chief Executive of Dunn-Line plc, which was AIM-listed until its sale to Veolia in 2006.
Dunn Rotala Plc Shareholdings:
R.A. & S. L. Dunn 1,596,334 4.53%
Hmmm I stand corrected. But he must have some weight as he was able to get his hands on some of Diamonds buses at short notice and it cant have been "Mum can you ask Dad if I can borrow some buses from Birmingham for a week from tomorrow please?" or "Bro can I borrow some buses" that doesnt seem to sit with me that well unless they are a very very close family in which case why would Scott have left Rotala.
It makes you wonder if someone else is backing the Yourbus operation financially? It does seem to be expanding pretty rapidly & mostly with brand new vehicles
Or if he has done what Stagecoach has done in London, tho reading the bunff it says they own the vechicals, but yeah I can see what you mean.
Quote from: Winston on March 23, 2013, 12:39:00 AM
It makes you wonder if someone else is backing the Yourbus operation financially? It does seem to be expanding pretty rapidly & mostly with brand new vehicles
Very true!!! Citaro's don't come cheap!!!
Quote from: dannygill on March 23, 2013, 12:39:37 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 23, 2013, 12:39:00 AM
It makes you wonder if someone else is backing the Yourbus operation financially? It does seem to be expanding pretty rapidly & mostly with brand new vehicles
Very true!!! Citaro's don't come cheap!!!
yourbus is a private company backed by no-one.
If you think logically it is likely that the vehicles are leased. The Streetlites appear to be at least, coming from Mistral (I know Mistral sell the Streetlite too).
Even so, if the brand new Citaro's are only leased for the new Citylink route in direct competition with Trent's Red Arrow, they still need to be earning a fair amount of venue from day one just to cover the leasing costs, let alone all the other associated costs & Yourbus have gone straight in with a 10 min frequency
It's still a damn sight cheaper than purchasing them outright. I don't know how much they're making but I assume they feel they will be able to at least cover the costs otherwise they wouldn't take such a risk.
I for one hope they succeed against Trent Barton, I think this is Trents biggest threat since TWM's Delta Dart operation closed.
Quote from: Steveminor on April 05, 2013, 06:46:02 AM
I for one hope they succeed against Trent Barton, I think this is Trents biggest threat since TWM's Delta Dart operation closed.
Steve,
Was TWM Delta Dart operation much of a threat to Trent? as the operation grew quickly but also ceased just as quick. I assume TWM were setting its sights on acquiring Trent?
Quote from: Winston on April 05, 2013, 10:01:59 AM
Quote from: Steveminor on April 05, 2013, 06:46:02 AM
I for one hope they succeed against Trent Barton, I think this is Trents biggest threat since TWM's Delta Dart operation closed.
Steve,
Was TWM Delta Dart operation much of a threat to Trent? as the operation grew quickly but also ceased just as quick. I assume TWM were setting its sights on acquiring Trent?
Correct Winston. In those days the single most popular tactic for an operator trying to acquire another was to set up a budget operation on its doorstep, Trent was one of the few NBC subsidiaries to have been successfully acquired by management but these companies soon became attractive propositions to the 'groups' who clearly had more financial might. This is exactly what Cowie Group did in Derby with the Midland Red North minibus operation targeted at Derby City Transport.
These moves were often impulsive and short lived like the TWM one, although the DCT assault was eventually successful after a very shortlived battle between the two.
Few operators would bother going to the expense of setting up in this way these days.
Quote from: andy on April 05, 2013, 11:32:53 AM
Quote from: Winston on April 05, 2013, 10:01:59 AM
Quote from: Steveminor on April 05, 2013, 06:46:02 AM
I for one hope they succeed against Trent Barton, I think this is Trents biggest threat since TWM's Delta Dart operation closed.
Steve,
Was TWM Delta Dart operation much of a threat to Trent? as the operation grew quickly but also ceased just as quick. I assume TWM were setting its sights on acquiring Trent?
Correct Winston. In those days the single most popular tactic for an operator trying to acquire another was to set up a budget operation on its doorstep, Trent was one of the few NBC subsidiaries to have been successfully acquired by management but these companies soon became attractive propositions to the 'groups' who clearly had more financial might. This is exactly what Cowie Group did in Derby with the Midland Red North minibus operation targeted at Derby City Transport.
These moves were often impulsive and short lived like the TWM one, although the DCT assault was eventually successful after a very shortlived battle between the two.
Few operators would bother going to the expense of setting up in this way these days.
Thanks Andy,
What was DCT?
Thinking about it, the Delta Dart operation was in the WMT era, wasn't around the time that WMT were expanding via acquisition prior to listing on the London Stock Exchange pre NX. I.e. around the time they bought County Bus & Coach, Westlink & North East Bus, I believe they were also interested in acquiring GM buses North & a London LBL subsidiary, but the takeover prices put them off.
I still reckon Wellglade & EYMS will get taken over at some point in the not too distant future, either by a UK group or the likes of RAPT which appear to be keen to expand in the UK.
Yourbus, are competing on select routes from both Trent & Nottingham City Transport
Quote from: Winston on April 05, 2013, 11:41:04 AM
Quote from: andy on April 05, 2013, 11:32:53 AM
Quote from: Winston on April 05, 2013, 10:01:59 AM
Quote from: Steveminor on April 05, 2013, 06:46:02 AM
I for one hope they succeed against Trent Barton, I think this is Trents biggest threat since TWM's Delta Dart operation closed.
Steve,
Was TWM Delta Dart operation much of a threat to Trent? as the operation grew quickly but also ceased just as quick. I assume TWM were setting its sights on acquiring Trent?
Correct Winston. In those days the single most popular tactic for an operator trying to acquire another was to set up a budget operation on its doorstep, Trent was one of the few NBC subsidiaries to have been successfully acquired by management but these companies soon became attractive propositions to the 'groups' who clearly had more financial might. This is exactly what Cowie Group did in Derby with the Midland Red North minibus operation targeted at Derby City Transport.
These moves were often impulsive and short lived like the TWM one, although the DCT assault was eventually successful after a very shortlived battle between the two.
Few operators would bother going to the expense of setting up in this way these days.
Thanks Andy,
What was DCT?
Thinking about it, the Delta Dart operation was in the WMT era, wasn't around the time that WMT were expanding via acquisition prior to listing on the London Stock Exchange pre NX. I.e. around the time they bought County Bus & Coach, Westlink & North East Bus, I believe they were also interested in acquiring GM buses North & a London LBL subsidiary, but the takeover prices put them off.
I still reckon Wellglade & EYMS will get taken over at some point in the not too distant future, either by a UK group or the likes of RAPT which appear to be keen to expand in the UK.
Yourbus, are competing on select routes from both Trent & Nottingham City Transport
eyms would be a good on for the rotola group if the set the Yorkshire and Manchester parts up as separate ops and whittle put in with diamond
Quote from: bewminster on April 05, 2013, 04:33:32 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 05, 2013, 11:41:04 AM
Quote from: andy on April 05, 2013, 11:32:53 AM
Quote from: Winston on April 05, 2013, 10:01:59 AM
Quote from: Steveminor on April 05, 2013, 06:46:02 AM
I for one hope they succeed against Trent Barton, I think this is Trents biggest threat since TWM's Delta Dart operation closed.
Steve,
Was TWM Delta Dart operation much of a threat to Trent? as the operation grew quickly but also ceased just as quick. I assume TWM were setting its sights on acquiring Trent?
Correct Winston. In those days the single most popular tactic for an operator trying to acquire another was to set up a budget operation on its doorstep, Trent was one of the few NBC subsidiaries to have been successfully acquired by management but these companies soon became attractive propositions to the 'groups' who clearly had more financial might. This is exactly what Cowie Group did in Derby with the Midland Red North minibus operation targeted at Derby City Transport.
These moves were often impulsive and short lived like the TWM one, although the DCT assault was eventually successful after a very shortlived battle between the two.
Few operators would bother going to the expense of setting up in this way these days.
Thanks Andy,
What was DCT?
Thinking about it, the Delta Dart operation was in the WMT era, wasn't around the time that WMT were expanding via acquisition prior to listing on the London Stock Exchange pre NX. I.e. around the time they bought County Bus & Coach, Westlink & North East Bus, I believe they were also interested in acquiring GM buses North & a London LBL subsidiary, but the takeover prices put them off.
I still reckon Wellglade & EYMS will get taken over at some point in the not too distant future, either by a UK group or the likes of RAPT which appear to be keen to expand in the UK.
Yourbus, are competing on select routes from both Trent & Nottingham City Transport
eyms would be a good on for the rotola group if the set the Yorkshire and Manchester parts up as separate ops and whittle put in with diamond
Its unlikely Rotala would be able to raise the funds to buy EYMS group, they are similar size operations. There is nothing stopping them joining forces through a friendly merger, but not by Rotala taking them over.
I believe the Delta Dart operation came to an end abruptly as TWM under estimated Welglade's resources & were not expecting Wellglade to threaten a counter attack (once they discovered who was really behind the Delta "attack"
Regarding Rotala acquiring EYMS, I can't quite see that happening in fact if EYMS play their cards right they could possibly use Whittle to push Diamond out of Kiddie.
The problem Rotala have is that everyone that was good at their job & actually gave a damn is now working @ Yourbus & rapidly growing that operation.
What Rotala needs is a good commercial manager who understands how to expand a commercial operation & that sometimes you need loss leaders to grow a network & gain brand presence & awareness, something which Diamond has been losing in the West Midlands lately
Quote from: Steveminor on April 05, 2013, 07:46:06 PM
I believe the Delta Dart operation came to an end abruptly as TWM under estimated Welglade's resources & were not expecting Wellglade to threaten a counter attack (once they discovered who was really behind the Delta "attack"
Regarding Rotala acquiring EYMS, I can't quite see that happening in fact if EYMS play their cards right they could possibly use Whittle to push Diamond out of Kiddie.
The problem Rotala have is that everyone that was good at their job & actually gave a damn is now working @ Yourbus & rapidly growing that operation.
What Rotala needs is a good commercial manager who understands how to expand a commercial operation & that sometimes you need loss leaders to grow a network & gain brand presence & awareness, something which Diamond has been losing in the West Midlands lately
Thanks Steve, even so re: Wellglade threatening a counter attack on TWM, you wouldn't normally expect TWM to go running scared as they had a massive reserve fleet back then & would of also had significantly more financial firepower at their disposal over Wellglade. I'm impressed with what Scott Dunn & the former Diamond Bus team are doing with Yourbus, its rapidly growing quality operation. Not seen any reports as yet how the Yourbus Citylink service is doing against Trent's established Red Arrow service
I totally agree with your comments re Diamond, the Diamond business could once again be a significant player in offering an alternative commercial network, but it needs the right people running the business, significant investment and needs to be prepared to take a few risks with trying new routes. They need to speculate to accumulate, if they don't up their game soon Arriva could become a potential threat to their remaining tendered / commercial services
Re: Wellglade v TWM, I think that having Smiths "Your Bus" Bham Coach, Serverse Travel, the upcoming Petes Travel plus a whole host of others to compete with, the last thing TWM needed was a much larger wealthier Group moving in. That's why they tried as much as they could to hide the ownership of Delta Dart. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think it was actually Delta Taxis Ltd a former Taxi business that TWM acquired.
As far as Diamond are concerned , if they carry on this way it's not just Arriva that could knock them out. Arriva probably would just target the tendered work, but a whole list of others could start to challenge them. Grs on the 16 & the 600 (till he realised it was a useless route & pulled off, Greenbus on the 50, can't see them going anywhere, Sandwell Travel "alledgaly" on the 56. Looking back Joes Travel pushed them off the 79 & Sunny Travel pushed them off the 120.
Dark days for what should be a strong operation.
Quote from: Steveminor on April 05, 2013, 09:02:32 PM
Re: Wellglade v TWM, I think that having Smiths "Your Bus" Bham Coach, Serverse Travel, the upcoming Petes Travel plus a whole host of others to compete with, the last thing TWM needed was a much larger wealthier Group moving in. That's why they tried as much as they could to hide the ownership of Delta Dart. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think it was actually Delta Taxis Ltd a former Taxi business that TWM acquired.
As far as Diamond are concerned , if they carry on this way it's not just Arriva that could knock them out. Arriva probably would just target the tendered work, but a whole list of others could start to challenge them. Grs on the 16 & the 600 (till he realised it was a useless route & pulled off, Greenbus on the 50, can't see them going anywhere, Sandwell Travel "alledgaly" on the 56. Looking back Joes Travel pushed them off the 79 & Sunny Travel pushed them off the 120.
Dark days for what should be a strong operation.
Thanks Steve, no doubt had anything kicked off with Wellglade back then, Wellglade would have simply acquired one of the sizeable WM independents at the time, had Tames Valley been acquired by WMT back then? I think it was Delta Taxi, may be WMT shouldn't have sent DAF engined Nationals & Iveco/Doges minibuses from its reserve fleet to operate for Delta even though WMT were renting buses out to other operators at the time, it may have been less conspicuous if Delta acquired its own fleet from alternative sources
The Routeone article suggests Greenbus are considering upping the frequency of their 50, so that will no doubt put further pressure on the Diamond 50.
I believe they had purchased Tame Valley by then as I think they used some of their old Nationals for Delta. But it wasn't so much as what vehicles were used as the fact that someone from Trent followed several coming to Miller Street for maintainance work.
That sort of gave the game away.
Quote from: Steveminor on April 05, 2013, 07:46:06 PM
The problem Rotala have is that everyone that was good at their job & actually gave a damn is now working @ Yourbus & rapidly growing that operation.
Naturally everybody is entitled to their opinion, but that is an extremely disrespectful statement for anybody who does work at Rotala now. Your opinions of how Rotala does business are one matter but there is no need to bring people's reputations into it.
Quote from: Steveminor on April 05, 2013, 09:33:21 PM
I believe they had purchased Tame Valley by then as I think they used some of their old Nationals for Delta. But it wasn't so much as what vehicles were used as the fact that someone from Trent followed several coming to Miller Street for maintainance work.
That sort of gave the game away.
Busted aye...... ;D
Quote from: Winston on April 05, 2013, 09:14:12 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on April 05, 2013, 09:02:32 PM
Re: Wellglade v TWM, I think that having Smiths "Your Bus" Bham Coach, Serverse Travel, the upcoming Petes Travel plus a whole host of others to compete with, the last thing TWM needed was a much larger wealthier Group moving in. That's why they tried as much as they could to hide the ownership of Delta Dart. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think it was actually Delta Taxis Ltd a former Taxi business that TWM acquired.
As far as Diamond are concerned , if they carry on this way it's not just Arriva that could knock them out. Arriva probably would just target the tendered work, but a whole list of others could start to challenge them. Grs on the 16 & the 600 (till he realised it was a useless route & pulled off, Greenbus on the 50, can't see them going anywhere, Sandwell Travel "alledgaly" on the 56. Looking back Joes Travel pushed them off the 79 & Sunny Travel pushed them off the 120.
Dark days for what should be a strong operation.
Thanks Steve, no doubt had anything kicked off with Wellglade back then, Wellglade would have simply acquired one of the sizeable WM independents at the time, had Tames Valley been acquired by WMT back then? I think it was Delta Taxi, may be WMT shouldn't have sent DAF engined Nationals & Iveco/Doges minibuses from its reserve fleet to operate for Delta even though WMT were renting buses out to other operators at the time, it may have been less conspicuous if Delta acquired its own fleet from alternative sources
The Routeone article suggests Greenbus are considering upping the frequency of their 50, so that will no doubt put further pressure on the Diamond 50.
I don't think TWM ever acquired Delta taxis, just lent it a lot of buses at a very favourable rate
Quote from: Tony on April 05, 2013, 09:58:25 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 05, 2013, 09:14:12 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on April 05, 2013, 09:02:32 PM
Re: Wellglade v TWM, I think that having Smiths "Your Bus" Bham Coach, Serverse Travel, the upcoming Petes Travel plus a whole host of others to compete with, the last thing TWM needed was a much larger wealthier Group moving in. That's why they tried as much as they could to hide the ownership of Delta Dart. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think it was actually Delta Taxis Ltd a former Taxi business that TWM acquired.
As far as Diamond are concerned , if they carry on this way it's not just Arriva that could knock them out. Arriva probably would just target the tendered work, but a whole list of others could start to challenge them. Grs on the 16 & the 600 (till he realised it was a useless route & pulled off, Greenbus on the 50, can't see them going anywhere, Sandwell Travel "alledgaly" on the 56. Looking back Joes Travel pushed them off the 79 & Sunny Travel pushed them off the 120.
Dark days for what should be a strong operation.
Thanks Steve, no doubt had anything kicked off with Wellglade back then, Wellglade would have simply acquired one of the sizeable WM independents at the time, had Tames Valley been acquired by WMT back then? I think it was Delta Taxi, may be WMT shouldn't have sent DAF engined Nationals & Iveco/Doges minibuses from its reserve fleet to operate for Delta even though WMT were renting buses out to other operators at the time, it may have been less conspicuous if Delta acquired its own fleet from alternative sources
The Routeone article suggests Greenbus are considering upping the frequency of their 50, so that will no doubt put further pressure on the Diamond 50.
I don't think TWM ever acquired Delta taxis, just lent it a lot of buses at a very favourable rate
Yes, and probably a few personnel too!!
Quote from: andy on April 05, 2013, 09:42:31 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on April 05, 2013, 07:46:06 PM
The problem Rotala have is that everyone that was good at their job & actually gave a damn is now working @ Yourbus & rapidly growing that operation.
Naturally everybody is entitled to their opinion, but that is an extremely disrespectful statement for anybody who does work at Rotala now. Your opinions of how Rotala does business are one matter but there is no need to bring people's reputations into it.
Between August last year until this January & having to deal with one or two 'characters' @ Tividale, I wholeheartedly agree with Steve's statement!
There were four yourbus DDs in the yard at Aston yesterday.
Quote from: Tony on April 05, 2013, 09:58:25 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 05, 2013, 09:14:12 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on April 05, 2013, 09:02:32 PM
Re: Wellglade v TWM, I think that having Smiths "Your Bus" Bham Coach, Serverse Travel, the upcoming Petes Travel plus a whole host of others to compete with, the last thing TWM needed was a much larger wealthier Group moving in. That's why they tried as much as they could to hide the ownership of Delta Dart. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think it was actually Delta Taxis Ltd a former Taxi business that TWM acquired.
As far as Diamond are concerned , if they carry on this way it's not just Arriva that could knock them out. Arriva probably would just target the tendered work, but a whole list of others could start to challenge them. Grs on the 16 & the 600 (till he realised it was a useless route & pulled off, Greenbus on the 50, can't see them going anywhere, Sandwell Travel "alledgaly" on the 56. Looking back Joes Travel pushed them off the 79 & Sunny Travel pushed them off the 120.
Dark days for what should be a strong operation.
Thanks Steve, no doubt had anything kicked off with Wellglade back then, Wellglade would have simply acquired one of the sizeable WM independents at the time, had Tames Valley been acquired by WMT back then? I think it was Delta Taxi, may be WMT shouldn't have sent DAF engined Nationals & Iveco/Doges minibuses from its reserve fleet to operate for Delta even though WMT were renting buses out to other operators at the time, it may have been less conspicuous if Delta acquired its own fleet from alternative sources
The Routeone article suggests Greenbus are considering upping the frequency of their 50, so that will no doubt put further pressure on the Diamond 50.
I don't think TWM ever acquired Delta taxis, just lent it a lot of buses at a very favourable rate
WMT TOE483N in Delta fleet livery
http://www.flickr.com/photos/59615439@N03/8245094380/in/photostream
The 7 ex Yourbus Trident / Plaxton Presidents X---EGK are still down as moving to Wessex Connect, maybe they are just stopping at Long Acre en-route for a repaint? according to Yourbus fleet changes on Yourbus yahoo group
No mention of the Rotala 11 plate Levantes joining the Yourbus fleet, which will be surplus as of this Monday once DeCourcey take over the 210 & 777
Quote from: tom_h on April 01, 2013, 11:53:36 PM
If you think logically it is likely that the vehicles are leased. The Streetlites appear to be at least, coming from Mistral (I know Mistral sell the Streetlite too).
They are not leased.
Quote from: Diamond Geezer on April 17, 2013, 11:34:20 PM
Quote from: tom_h on April 01, 2013, 11:53:36 PM
If you think logically it is likely that the vehicles are leased. The Streetlites appear to be at least, coming from Mistral (I know Mistral sell the Streetlite too).
They are not leased.
Diamond Geezer,
How is the Yourbus Citylink service getting on in competition with TrentBarton's Red Arrow?
http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/Nottingham-Derby-bus-war-long/story-18586542-detail/story.html#axzz2Pz2R2A9x
Yourbus selling the 03 and 53 reg mercs in this weeks route one-admittedly dual door but converted a few of these would be fantastic as a few more mercs for the rotala fleet would always be good
Would be brilliant for Rotala although I bet second hand ones would not come cheap and is there a service they would be useful for with regards to diamond.
Quote from: Ash on April 18, 2013, 03:48:54 PM
Would be brilliant for Rotala although I bet second hand ones would not come cheap and is there a service they would be useful for with regards to diamond.
Could be put on any really I would have thought and with rotala's close link with yourbus. They could even go to preston and replace some solos or olympians there
Quote from: Peter123 on April 18, 2013, 03:32:02 PM
Yourbus selling the 03 and 53 reg mercs in this weeks route one-admittedly dual door but converted a few of these would be fantastic as a few more mercs for the rotala fleet would always be good
They are all dual door, which is one of the reasons they are being sold. They have been replaced by the former Wessex 04 plate B7RLE's
Diamond have undertaken conversions on some of their acquired buses before but that was when the go-ahead group owned the business and the buses were the RxxxFFC ones. How much would it cost to convert a citaro to single door bus I'm guessing quite a lot being a mercedes vehicle
Quote from: Winston on April 18, 2013, 06:13:32 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on April 18, 2013, 03:32:02 PM
Yourbus selling the 03 and 53 reg mercs in this weeks route one-admittedly dual door but converted a few of these would be fantastic as a few more mercs for the rotala fleet would always be good
They are all dual door, which is one of the reasons they are being sold. They have been replaced by the former Wessex 04 plate B7RLE's
The other reason being that the depot they are based at at Tuxford is closing too
Quote from: Ash on April 18, 2013, 06:54:27 PM
Diamond have undertaken conversions on some of their acquired buses before but that was when the go-ahead group owned the business and the buses were the RxxxFFC ones. How much would it cost to convert a citaro to single door bus I'm guessing quite a lot being a mercedes vehicle
You can't convert them to single door as there is no offside emergency exit.
Interesting article, that shows how rapidly Yourbus have expanded in a short space of time and the levels of investment in new vehicles that have been ploughed in to the business. The average age of the fleet is just 3.1 years
http://www.nottinghampost.com/East-Midlands-leading-bus-coach-operator/story-19906872-detail/story.html
Been for a ride on the new euro 6 citaros, absolutely excellent vehicles.
Anyone for a fleetlist for the your bus fleet as i can't find one
Quote from: Solo1 on March 20, 2016, 12:37:40 PM
Anyone for a fleetlist for the your bus fleet as i can't find one
Here is what I have for a current fleetlist
1201-1205 (MX62GVL/N/R/V/Z) Wright Streetlight DF / Wright B37F
1301-1307 (MX62GOA, GXE/K/Y/Z, GWC/Z) Wright Streetlight WF / Wright B41F
1401 (SN10CDE) Alexander Dennis E200 / B37F - ex Premiere Travel 2/13
3010-3023 (BF62JZA/C-E/G, JYR-Z) Mercedes Benz O530 / B42F
3024-3031 (BK13XYA-H) Mercedes Benz O530 / B42F
3032 (BF60OEZ) Mercedes Benz O530 / B??F - ex demonstrator 12/13
3101-3110 (BD64NBO, NCN/A/E, NBZ, NCJ, NBX, NCC, NBY, NCF) Mercedes Benz Citaro / B38F
3501-3506 (BU53AWX/W/Y/Z, AXA) Mercedes Benz O530 / B34D - ex Epsom buses 8/12
Quote from: busfan2847 on November 12, 2016, 11:30:56 PM
Here is what I have for a current fleetlist
1201-1205 (MX62GVL/N/R/V/Z) Wright Streetlight DF / Wright B37F
1301-1307 (MX62GOA, GXE/K/Y/Z, GWC/Z) Wright Streetlight WF / Wright B41F
1401 (SN10CDE) Alexander Dennis E200 / B37F - ex Premiere Travel 2/13
3010-3023 (BF62JZA/C-E/G, JYR-Z) Mercedes Benz O530 / B42F
3024-3031 (BK13XYA-H) Mercedes Benz O530 / B42F
3032 (BF60OEZ) Mercedes Benz O530 / B??F - ex demonstrator 12/13
3101-3110 (BD64NBO, NCN/A/E, NBZ, NCJ, NBX, NCC, NBY, NCF) Mercedes Benz Citaro / B38F
3501-3506 (BU53AWX/W/Y/Z, AXA) Mercedes Benz O530 / B34D - ex Epsom buses 8/12
5 of 3501-6 are currently for sale @ Plaxton Coach Sales
https://www.plaxtoncoachsales.co.uk/vehicle/bu53axa-2003-mercedes-benz-citaro-mercedes-integral
Yourbus now have 3 Enviro 200s supposedly for the Y59
Not my pic:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/youremts/31125409511/in/photolist-PqrRRz-Nkov12-P1gPEy-PyH8Dn-P1gPt1
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on November 26, 2016, 05:53:03 PM
Yourbus now have 3 Enviro 200s supposedly for the Y59
Not my pic:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/youremts/31125409511/in/photolist-PqrRRz-Nkov12-P1gPEy-PyH8Dn-P1gPt1
I wonder if they traded in the dual door Merc Citaro's against the new E200's? (see my post above)
Quote from: Winston on November 12, 2016, 11:46:36 PM
5 of 3501-6 are currently for sale @ Plaxton Coach Sales
https://www.plaxtoncoachsales.co.uk/vehicle/bu53axa-2003-mercedes-benz-citaro-mercedes-integral
all 6 are in Plaxton's yard
Quote from: Tony on November 26, 2016, 06:09:17 PM
all 6 are in Plaxton's yard
Ta, the advert on Plaxton Coach Sales website has since been changed to 'Choice of 6 vehicles'
Yourbus have cancelled their Y36 & are re-deploying resources to increase competition against Arriva Derby:
PC1094655/23
DUNN MOTOR TRACTION LTD, HEANOR GATE INDUSTRIAL
ESTATE, HEANOR GATE ROAD, HEANOR, DE75 7RJ
Operating between Chilwell and Nottingham given service number Y36 effective
from 11 February 2017.
PC1094655/40
DUNN MOTOR TRACTION LTD, HEANOR GATE INDUSTRIAL
ESTATE, HEANOR GATE ROAD, HEANOR, DE75 7RJ
From: Derby, Riverlights Bus Station
To: Derby, Riverlights Bus Station
Via: Alvaston, Alvaston Village
Name or No.: 1 / 1A
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 12 February 2017
Other details: Monday to Sunday
Yourbus currently have a Yutong Citybus demo B43F on loan numbered 3700:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/98620506@N05/32158848080
https://www.flickr.com/photos/98620506@N05/32158848990
https://www.flickr.com/photos/98620506@N05/31725851703
It will be a bit of a come down form Mercedes Citaros if they decide to order any.
Anyone got an upto date fleet list for your bus
ad they have a fleet upgraded& some have gone new envrios
White stteeite
Looks as though Yourbus are replacing some/all of their Citaro fleet, including 64 plate examples:
http://www.route-one.net/magazines/emag/routeone743/#/66/
With new E200MMC's (3 delivered to date):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/guy_arab_uf/41796449735
Quote from: Winston on June 14, 2018, 12:24:25 AM
Looks as though Yourbus are replacing some/all of their Citaro fleet, including 64 plate examples:
http://www.route-one.net/magazines/emag/routeone743/#/66/
With new E200MMC's (3 delivered to date):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/guy_arab_uf/41796449735
how many citaro do they have as can't find a fleet list for them
Quote from: Solo1 on June 14, 2018, 08:20:37 AM
how many citaro do they have as cant fund a fleet list for them
My [dated] copy of Busview says 39 of these buses. :o
Quote from: Solo1 on June 14, 2018, 08:20:37 AM
how many citaro do they have as cant fund a fleet list for them
I'm trying to Either get hold / compile a fleetlist at present:
I believe this is their Citaro fleet:
3010-31 BF62 etc / BK13 etc (not sure if any of this batch were lost to fire?)
3032 BF60OEZ
3101-10 BD64 etc
E200's 1401-1410
All of their 12 WF (5)/DF (7) Streetlites have left the fleet (currently still for sale at Plaxton Bus & Coach) & have been replaced by E200's (Euro 5/original design dealer stock):
(longer B39 seating):
1411 (YX67 VGZ),
1412 (YY67 USG),
1413 (YY67 USH),
1414 (YY67 USJ),
1415 (YY67 USL),
1416 (YY67 USM),
1417 (YY67 USN),
1418 (YY67 USO),
(Short B33 seating):
1450 (YY67 USB),
1451 (YY67 USC),
1452 (YY67 USD).
1453 (YY67 USE),
1454 (YY67 USF).
E200MMC's
YY18THN, YY18THU + one more delivered to date
I understand that most of their 62 plate Citaro's are for sale along with all of their 64 plate (newest examples)
1402 & 1403 were E300 that were withdrawn in 2014 (ex Premiere)
I have:
3010-3023 BF62 - Citaro
3024-3031 BK13 - Citaro
3032 BF60OEZ - Citaro (ex demonstrator)
3101-3110 BD64 - Citaro
1401 SN10CDE - E200 (ex Premiere)
1404-1406 SN66 - E20D
1407-1410 YX17 - E20D
1411-1418 YX67 - E20D
YY18THN/U/V - E20D (1419-21?)
1450-1454 YX67 - E20D short
In an hour or so in Derby today two E200s parked up, but services were solid Citaro (which is more than could be said for Kinch's skylink with 651 and a generic Kinch)
what buses are used on the Derby services please
Quote from: Solo1 on July 02, 2018, 07:29:52 PM
what buses are used on the Derby services please
E200's and Citaros.
Yourbus have expanded back in to coaching in the last few months of 2018, they now have a fleet of 5 x 68 plate Mercedes Tourismos (5101-5):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_hogwash_files/32674794258
Whilst they also have 2 x Scania/Irizar Centuary for schools work, these joined the fleet first.
5001 CC04MAL - https://www.flickr.com/photos/guy_arab_uf/45012812852
YR02ZYW - https://www.flickr.com/photos/guy_arab_uf/45012811702
Bus firm Yourbus collapsed after rows with National Express and Derbyshire County Council, it has been revealed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-50970493
Anyone got a list of where the your bus buses went to I know some Merc's are at Preston + Bolton 3 envrio at midland classic
On this website: http://www.derbybusdepot.co.uk/
Click Fleet News and then scroll right to the bottom of the page, there is a list of where everything has gone.