PVRs of 37, 71, 72, 5

[Liberator9]

Hi there

Maybe should be in Acocks Green garage thread; wasn't too sure. Does anyone know what the PVRs are for the 37, 71, 72 and 5 at Acocks Green garage. thanks in advance

[Stu]

Based on my calculations (which may be incorrect of course), I estimate the PVR of the 37 to be 17/18 buses. And the 5 I estimate has a PVR of 6/7 buses.

I don't know how the 71 and 72 work now, as they all used to interchange at Solihull Station, but now the 71 is every 15 minutes, and the 72 every 30 minutes (from Solihull), alternate 71 journeys must go back out as 71, and then of course there are the short 72E journeys from City every 30 minutes, so I'm not sure how to work the PVR for these.

[winston]

Based on my calculations (which may be incorrect of course), I estimate the PVR of the 37 to be 17/18 buses. And the 5 I estimate has a PVR of 6/7 buses.

I don't know how the 71 and 72 work now, as they all used to interchange at Solihull Station, but now the 71 is every 15 minutes, and the 72 every 30 minutes (from Solihull), alternate 71 journeys must go back out as 71, and then of course there are the short 72E journeys from City every 30 minutes, so I'm not sure how to work the PVR for these.

Stu,

Isn't the Pvr for the 37 higher than that? 23 x Omnilink were delivered new to AG for the 37

[Stu]

Like I said, I may have been wrong  ;)

When the 23 Omnilinks arrived for the 37, no doubt a couple would have counted as 'spares'.

Since then, the route has shortened a little with the city centre changes, that may have reduced the PVR by 1 at most. And I haven't really factored in lay-over time at Solihull station, where there's often two buses sat there. So add on another bus and that makes the PVR 19, which is probably near right. I'm happy to be corrected of course.

[winston]

Like I said, I may have been wrong  ;)

When the 23 Omnilinks arrived for the 37, no doubt a couple would have counted as 'spares'.

Since then, the route has shortened a little with the city centre changes, that may have reduced the PVR by 1 at most. And I haven't really factored in lay-over time at Solihull station, where there's often two buses sat there. So add on another bus and that makes the PVR 19, which is probably near right. I'm happy to be corrected of course.

Wasn't the frequency of the 37 also increased after the original 23 x Omnilinks were delivered? i.e. before Central Connect/Blue Diamond came off the route, which was why the extra two Omnilinks were originally required from Dundee?

[Liberator9]

19 would make sound sense; bearing in mind the fact that one or two of the scanias would be in maintenance, then not all 23 would be in service. Thanks for the replies and glad you have an idea, I have no clue

[Liverpool Street]

Were all 23 branded?

[Stu]

You may be right there, I can't really remember now, I do know that after Blue Diamond pulled out, the daytime frequency was increased to 5 minutes. But I'm sure it was stated that this only required 1 extra bus anyway.

Anyway, I just took a different approach to approximating the PVR: looking at the timetable on the Network West Midlands website, pick a time when a bus departs Birmingham, look at when it reaches its destination, then on the reverse journey see what time that arrives back in Birmingham for its return journey, then count the number of journeys listed on the timetable in-between. Using this method I counted 19 journeys, therefore 19 buses.

This crude method of course doesn't allow for extra buses being put on to fill in gaps, untimetabled of course.

[Stu]

Were all 23 branded?

They were never all branded for the 37. Even now, only 10 carry any branding.

There always seemed to be more than enough for the 37, as they'd often appear on other routes too, like the 30 and 42, and the 71/72.

[Liverpool Street]

Were all 23 branded?

They were never all branded for the 37. Even now, only 10 carry any branding.

There always seemed to be more than enough for the 37, as they'd often appear on other routes too, like the 30 and 42, and the 71/72.

Thanks Stu, I hold no interest in AG so thank you :)

[John]

Were all 23 branded?

They were never all branded for the 37. Even now, only 10 carry any branding.

There always seemed to be more than enough for the 37, as they'd often appear on other routes too, like the 30 and 42, and the 71/72.

In my fleetlist, I have 20 OmniLinks currently branded for the 37 (1934-53), unless some have been de-branded

[Stu]

Were all 23 branded?

They were never all branded for the 37. Even now, only 10 carry any branding.

There always seemed to be more than enough for the 37, as they'd often appear on other routes too, like the 30 and 42, and the 71/72.

In my fleetlist, I have 20 OmniLinks currently branded for the 37 (1934-53), unless some have been de-branded

The figure of 10 I got from Tony's own list:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/1750-1953.html

Thinking about it, there might be a couple more, but don't think there are as many as 10.

[John]

1934 is the first
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9049316587/

Up to 1953
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8175928880/

Only ones I have not pictured branded are 1935/6 and 1940/41, searched on Flickr and found pictures of these 4 also branded.

Having 20 branded, this is probably why they appear on the 71/2 so often, with only 5 unbranded OmniLinks (1931-33, 7019 & 7020)

[Sh4318]

I'm sure the PVR of the 5 is 8. Can't help you with any of the others

[Liberator9]

Thanks! 8 sounds a sensible number for the 5 looking at the timetable.