I was just thinking to myself in terms of the routes run from Liverpool Street, is there still a route or a corridor that has always been operated out of this depot and to current day still is. I was struggling to think of any where this still applies.
I.e Bristol Rd (Did they start out of Selly Oak)
Pershore >>> Cotteridge
Cov Rd >>> Cov Rd depot
Harborne >> Quniton / Harborne etc
and so on?
Historians when LS opened which route/ corridors did they operate?
I am just curious probably ot too much time on my hands this morning
Off the top of my head, I cannot think I of one BC route that wasn't run by another garage at some point. However I suppose back in BCT and. WMPTE days there were many small garages, and many shred their routes with others. So I suppose it's possible they had some workings on some of those routes.
I know LS operated the 50 for a very long time, but not sure if it was when the garage opened.
I know LS operated the 16 when it was shared with HY and ran cross city.
They operated the 8 for a long time too.
They did some trips on the 28 too
Harbour routes are ex Quinton Hockley Yardley Wood
22/23
To Birmingham Central June 1997
Ex Quinton
21/29
To Birmingham Central May 2005
Ex-Hockley
May 2002-Ex Yardley Wood
June 1997 EX Quinton
103
To Birmingham Central June 1997
EX Quinton
To Hockley May 2002
Returned may 2005
Re-numbered 24 around 2011
I think Moseley Road would have operated the 50.
I am struggling to think of a single route that has stayed with LS since opening.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on December 07, 2013, 03:47:35 PM
I think Moseley Road would have operated the 50.
I am struggling to think of a single route that has stayed with LS since opening.
I cannot remember which way around it was, but the 53 and 54 were operated one by Liverpool Street, and one by Coventry Road. These are now the 97 route, so although they had a big break when at Lea Hall, one original route is back there (of sorts)
Quote from: lynx1103 on December 07, 2013, 03:34:17 PM
Harbour routes are ex Quinton Hockley Yardley Wood
22/23
To Birmingham Central June 1997
Ex Quinton
21/29
To Birmingham Central May 2005
Ex-Hockley
May 2002-Ex Yardley Wood
June 1997 EX Quinton
103
To Birmingham Central June 1997
EX Quinton
To Hockley May 2002
Returned may 2005
Re-numbered 24 around 2011
And before all that, Harborne routes 21/29 and 22/23 were ex Harborne garage. Back in the good old days.
I suppose the same question could be asked of all depots... Perry Barr? Walsall? Acocks Green?
Intriguing...
Liverpool Street ran services such as the 8, 15/16, 17, 19 and 28 for many years. In 1972 it took on the 50 when Moseley Road closed for the first time, and later a number of ex-Midland Red services including the 159 (now 900) and 176 (now 957) when Moseley Road closed for the second time in 1975.
The closure of Coventry Road, Cotteridge and Selly Oak in the 1980s brought in the Cov Road, Pershore Road and Bristol Road services, and Lynx 1103 has already covered the Quinton closure in the 1990s. I believe the 900 and 957 and predecessors have been at Birmingham Central for the longest period of time.
All other garages have run a few services continuously since before World War 2. Here are a few examples - this is not a complete list: Yardley Wood has the 2 and 18; Acocks Green has the 1, 11 and 31; and Perry Barr has the 33. Walsall has the 6; West Bromwich has the 5, 40 and 74; Wolverhampton has the 529; and Coventry has the 20.
Quote from: Justin Tyme on December 07, 2013, 09:50:29 PM
Liverpool Street ran services such as the 8, 15/16, 17, 19 and 28 for many years. In 1972 it took on the 50 when Moseley Road closed for the first time, and later a number of ex-Midland Red services including the 159 (now 900) and 176 (now 957) when Moseley Road closed for the second time in 1975.
The closure of Coventry Road, Cotteridge and Selly Oak in the 1980s brought in the Cov Road, Pershore Road and Bristol Road services, and Lynx 1103 has already covered the Quinton closure in the 1990s. I believe the 900 and 957 and predecessors have been at Birmingham Central for the longest period of time.
All other garages have run a few services continuously since before World War 2. Here are a few examples - this is not a complete list: Yardley Wood has the 2 and 18; Acocks Green has the 1, 11 and 31; and Perry Barr has the 33. Walsall has the 6; West Bromwich has the 5, 40 and 74; Wolverhampton has the 529; and Coventry has the 20.
Interesting; just a quick one didn't WA operate the 529 originally or was it shared with CR/PL
Quote from: monkeyjoe on December 08, 2013, 07:30:04 PM
Quote from: Justin Tyme on December 07, 2013, 09:50:29 PM
Liverpool Street ran services such as the 8, 15/16, 17, 19 and 28 for many years. In 1972 it took on the 50 when Moseley Road closed for the first time, and later a number of ex-Midland Red services including the 159 (now 900) and 176 (now 957) when Moseley Road closed for the second time in 1975.
The closure of Coventry Road, Cotteridge and Selly Oak in the 1980s brought in the Cov Road, Pershore Road and Bristol Road services, and Lynx 1103 has already covered the Quinton closure in the 1990s. I believe the 900 and 957 and predecessors have been at Birmingham Central for the longest period of time.
All other garages have run a few services continuously since before World War 2. Here are a few examples - this is not a complete list: Yardley Wood has the 2 and 18; Acocks Green has the 1, 11 and 31; and Perry Barr has the 33. Walsall has the 6; West Bromwich has the 5, 40 and 74; Wolverhampton has the 529; and Coventry has the 20.
Interesting; just a quick one didn't WA operate the 529 originally or was it shared with CR/PL
The 529 (originally 29) was operated by Walsall and Wolverhampton Corporations jointly with trolleybuses after the trams were replaced. The replacement bus service was also joint Walsall, Wolverhampton for many years.
Quote from: Justin Tyme on December 07, 2013, 09:50:29 PM
Liverpool Street ran services such as the 8, 15/16, 17, 19 and 28 for many years. In 1972 it took on the 50 when Moseley Road closed for the first time, and later a number of ex-Midland Red services including the 159 (now 900) and 176 (now 957) when Moseley Road closed for the second time in 1975.
The closure of Coventry Road, Cotteridge and Selly Oak in the 1980s brought in the Cov Road, Pershore Road and Bristol Road services, and Lynx 1103 has already covered the Quinton closure in the 1990s. I believe the 900 and 957 and predecessors have been at Birmingham Central for the longest period of time.
All other garages have run a few services continuously since before World War 2. Here are a few examples - this is not a complete list: Yardley Wood has the 2 and 18; Acocks Green has the 1, 11 and 31; and Perry Barr has the 33. Walsall has the 6; West Bromwich has the 5, 40 and 74; Wolverhampton has the 529; and Coventry has the 20.
When Liverpool St opened in September 1936 it operated part of the 8 as well as many of the routes to the east of the city. At that time Coventry Rd was a trolleybus garage for the Coventry Rd routes, Washwood Heath a tram depot and Le Hall not built (Apr 1955).
Quote from: busfan2847 on December 08, 2013, 08:12:52 PM
Quote from: Justin Tyme on December 07, 2013, 09:50:29 PM
Liverpool Street ran services such as the 8, 15/16, 17, 19 and 28 for many years. In 1972 it took on the 50 when Moseley Road closed for the first time, and later a number of ex-Midland Red services including the 159 (now 900) and 176 (now 957) when Moseley Road closed for the second time in 1975.
The closure of Coventry Road, Cotteridge and Selly Oak in the 1980s brought in the Cov Road, Pershore Road and Bristol Road services, and Lynx 1103 has already covered the Quinton closure in the 1990s. I believe the 900 and 957 and predecessors have been at Birmingham Central for the longest period of time.
All other garages have run a few services continuously since before World War 2. Here are a few examples - this is not a complete list: Yardley Wood has the 2 and 18; Acocks Green has the 1, 11 and 31; and Perry Barr has the 33. Walsall has the 6; West Bromwich has the 5, 40 and 74; Wolverhampton has the 529; and Coventry has the 20.
When Liverpool St opened in September 1936 it operated part of the 8 as well as many of the routes to the east of the city. At that time Coventry Rd was a trolleybus garage for the Coventry Rd routes, Washwood Heath a tram depot and Le Hall not built (Apr 1955).
Does it make it of the oldest brum depots still going then? (Which is if not this one?) Ta
Quote from: monkeyjoe on December 08, 2013, 08:16:47 PM
Quote from: busfan2847 on December 08, 2013, 08:12:52 PM
Quote from: Justin Tyme on December 07, 2013, 09:50:29 PM
Liverpool Street ran services such as the 8, 15/16, 17, 19 and 28 for many years. In 1972 it took on the 50 when Moseley Road closed for the first time, and later a number of ex-Midland Red services including the 159 (now 900) and 176 (now 957) when Moseley Road closed for the second time in 1975.
The closure of Coventry Road, Cotteridge and Selly Oak in the 1980s brought in the Cov Road, Pershore Road and Bristol Road services, and Lynx 1103 has already covered the Quinton closure in the 1990s. I believe the 900 and 957 and predecessors have been at Birmingham Central for the longest period of time.
All other garages have run a few services continuously since before World War 2. Here are a few examples - this is not a complete list: Yardley Wood has the 2 and 18; Acocks Green has the 1, 11 and 31; and Perry Barr has the 33. Walsall has the 6; West Bromwich has the 5, 40 and 74; Wolverhampton has the 529; and Coventry has the 20.
When Liverpool St opened in September 1936 it operated part of the 8 as well as many of the routes to the east of the city. At that time Coventry Rd was a trolleybus garage for the Coventry Rd routes, Washwood Heath a tram depot and Le Hall not built (Apr 1955).
Does it make it of the oldest brum depots still going then? (Which is if not this one?) Ta
(Miller St - Jan 1904 first BCT tram depot)
Acocks Green - June 1928
Perry Barr - Aug 1931
Later one
Yardley Wood - Nov 1938
Very nostalgic :) Cheers.
I thought Liverpool Street was opened 1907 with the tramways etc? (Even I'm not that old to remember that far back haha)
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 08, 2013, 08:31:37 PM
I thought Liverpool Street was opened 1907 with the tramways etc? (Even I'm not that old to remember that far back haha)
No,
Coventry Rd opened on 24th Nov 1906 as a tram depot, later trolleybus and then bus only from Jul 1951, closed Oct 1985. Liverpool St was built as a bus garage only, in September 1936.
Other Birmingham City Transport Tram depots that were later converted for buses are:
Birchfield Rd, Perry Barr opened May 1907 as a tram depot until Oct 1924, then used as a bus depot off and on until final closure in Aug 1966.
Bournbrook, Dawlish Rd rented from CBT from Jul 1911, purchased Jan 1912, buses and trams from Jul 1913 until Jul 1927 when Selly Oak opened
Cotteridge acquired from Kings Norton & Northfield UDC Jul 1911, Buses from Jul 1952, closed 25th Oct 1986
Highgate Rd, Sparkbrook opened Nov 1913, buses only Jun 1937, closed Jul 1962
Hockley taken over from Handsworth UDC (cable cars) closed Jul 1911, reopened Jun 1912 for trams, buses only from Apr 1939, closed May 2005
Miller St opened Jan 1904, buses from Jul 1953, closed May 1986 (then opened again Oct 1986, closed finally Feb 2001)
Moseley Rd opened Jan 1907, buses only Oct 1949, closed Mar 1972, reopened when MROC routes taken over in Dec 1973 finally closing Nov 1975
Rosebery St, Spring Hill opened Apr 1906, buses only Aug 1947, closed Jun 1968
Selly Oak opened Jul 1927, buses only from Jul 1952, closed Aug 1986
Washwood Heath opened May 1907, buses only Oct 1950, closed Aug 1998
Birmingham City Transport depots that were buses only (never tram or trolleybus) are
Tennant St, Five Ways opened by Midland Red 1912, acquired from Midland Red Oct 1914, closed Oct 1926 > Harborne, reopened Aug 1930, closed Oct 1939 (used for ambulances during war and then BCT cars and vans unril 1954)
Barford St, Deritend converted from a factory Jun 1925, closed Apr 1955 when Lea Hall opened.
Harborne opened Oct 1926 (1st purpose built garage for BCT), closed Feb-1986
Acocks Green opened Jun 1928, STILL OPEN
Perry Barr opened Feb 1932, STILL OPEN
Liverpool St opened Sep 1936, STILL OPEN
Yardley Wood opened Nov 1938, STILL OPEN
Quinton opened Oct 1949, closed Jun 1997
Lea Hall opened Apr 1955, closed Jul 2010
When WMPTE took over from BCT in Oct 1969 buses operated from 14 garages. This was reduced to 8 by the time WMT took over in Oct 1986 (although 9 if we include Miller St reopening). There are now 4 with one additional new garage at Bordesley (like BCTs first garage a converted factory unit).
Thank you busfan2847. Your knowledge is incredible. Is all that off your own bat or copy and pasted from Wikipedia?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 09, 2013, 11:48:34 AM
Thank you busfan2847. Your knowledge is incredible. Is all that off your own bat or copy and pasted from Wikipedia?
Most of it from research of old books (Birmingham Corporation Transport and Birmingham Corporation Tramways). Dates after 1969 from my own records. No Wikipedia and not there personally either!
I have been interested in public transport since 1970 and still keep up to date through this great website and forum despite now living in Chicago.
Quote from: busfan2847 on December 09, 2013, 02:36:31 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 09, 2013, 11:48:34 AM
Thank you busfan2847. Your knowledge is incredible. Is all that off your own bat or copy and pasted from Wikipedia?
Most of it from research of old books (Birmingham Corporation Transport and Birmingham Corporation Tramways). Dates after 1969 from my own records. No Wikipedia and not there personally either!
I have been interested in public transport since 1970 and still keep up to date through this great website and forum despite now living in Chicago.
Well thank you for the time you've given to us! I don't know about you, but I'd say Birmingham has the most interesting history of public transport; better then London - too much time has been given to the capital.
Manchester PTE holds a small interest to me, but then pre-86 anything does!
Hows the buses in Chicago? Just "Transit Buses" (those dreadful CTA things with massive front bumpers?)
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 09, 2013, 03:43:32 PM
Well thank you for the time you've given to us! I don't know about you, but I'd say Birmingham has the most interesting history of public transport; better then London - too much time has been given to the capital.
Manchester PTE holds a small interest to me, but then pre-86 anything does!
Hows the buses in Chicago? Just "Transit Buses" (those dreadful CTA things with massive front bumpers?)
I agree. It was certainly interesting seeing the municipal fleets merge into WMPTE although from 1979-1986, when nearly all pre WMPTE buses were withdrawn, there was very little variety in the fleet. That changed after 1986 with other operators coming into the area!
In Chicago at present cta only operates three different type of vehicles plus some small buses (30'). The latest 40' bus renewal resulted in 1050 of essentially the same bus entering the fleet over 3-4 years (20 are hybrid). Not much variety, only one publicly owned operator! We also have a Midland Red equivalent which operates outside of Chicago in the suburbs (Pace), a little more variety but services can get very sparse! Having grown up 1/8 mile from the 50, currently the closest bus route to were I live is 2.5m and only operates Monday to Friday daytime (~hourly). I do work in Chicago however using Metra (Metropolitan Rail) and cta to commute.
Wasnt there a depot at elliot rd selly oak for a while I think the 49 operated from there
Quote from: pensnettdriver on December 09, 2013, 04:26:53 PM
Wasnt there a depot at elliot rd selly oak for a while I think the 49 operated from there
Yes, from Feb 2001 to Sep-2002. Volvo B6 516-23/6/7/31-3/8/55/94/5, 606/21-6 and Solos 284-8, 306 allocated there although they officially remained at BC as ER was a sub-depot.
Quote from: pensnettdriver on December 09, 2013, 04:26:53 PM
Wasnt there a depot at elliot rd selly oak for a while I think the 49 operated from there
Yes located at the former Pattersons yard, the 44 & 636 were operated from there, wasn't the SWL operated from there as well with Lynx?
Quote from: Winston on December 09, 2013, 05:49:05 PM
Quote from: pensnettdriver on December 09, 2013, 04:26:53 PM
Wasnt there a depot at elliot rd selly oak for a while I think the 49 operated from there
Yes located at the former Pattersons yard, the 44 & 636 were operated from there, wasn't the SWL operated from there as well with Lynx?
Wasn't the 'former' Pattersons yard at the time TWM were there, they rented the space and shared it with Pattersons
Quote from: Tony on December 09, 2013, 07:46:44 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 09, 2013, 05:49:05 PM
Quote from: pensnettdriver on December 09, 2013, 04:26:53 PM
Wasnt there a depot at elliot rd selly oak for a while I think the 49 operated from there
Yes located at the former Pattersons yard, the 44 & 636 were operated from there, wasn't the SWL operated from there as well with Lynx?
Wasn't the 'former' Pattersons yard at the time TWM were there, they rented the space and shared it with Pattersons
I loose track.... did TWM acquire any bus work off Pattersons then? as they had a coach/accessible transport side as well didn't they?
Quote from: Winston on December 09, 2013, 05:49:05 PM
Quote from: pensnettdriver on December 09, 2013, 04:26:53 PM
Wasnt there a depot at elliot rd selly oak for a while I think the 49 operated from there
Yes located at the former Pattersons yard, the 44 & 636 were operated from there, wasn't the SWL operated from there as well with Lynx?
Yes and the 921 for a time, also using branded Lynxs.