Many Tony pic are found http://www.flickr.com/photos/66723496@N05/with/6868642365/
He's been around for ages, I'm sure Tony mentioned him before somewhere. tbh theres lots of people using Tony's photos, one I've noticed is someone on facebook who goes by the name of "NXWM Buses"
I've heard a rumour that the 50 is getting upgraded.
Quote from: dgss1 on July 23, 2013, 11:51:31 AM
I've heard a rumour that the 50 is getting upgraded.
probably the first gold route for nxwm?
Quote from: pb2012 on July 23, 2013, 12:02:34 PM
Quote from: dgss1 on July 23, 2013, 11:51:31 AM
I've heard a rumour that the 50 is getting upgraded.
probably the first gold route for nxwm?
I would think it must be pretty high up the priority list with 6 year E400's and competition from both Diamond & Greenbus
Quote from: Winston on July 23, 2013, 01:07:49 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on July 23, 2013, 12:02:34 PM
Quote from: dgss1 on July 23, 2013, 11:51:31 AM
I've heard a rumour that the 50 is getting upgraded.
probably the first gold route for nxwm?
I would think it must be pretty high up the priority list with 6 year E400's and competition from both Diamond & Greenbus
I would also imagine it will help withdraw/cascade Presidents from YW aswell
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 23, 2013, 01:12:15 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 23, 2013, 01:07:49 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on July 23, 2013, 12:02:34 PM
Quote from: dgss1 on July 23, 2013, 11:51:31 AM
I've heard a rumour that the 50 is getting upgraded.
probably the first gold route for nxwm?
I would think it must be pretty high up the priority list with 6 year E400's and competition from both Diamond & Greenbus
I would also imagine it will help withdraw/cascade Presidents from YW aswell
Problem is, there a few garages that Presidents can now be cascaded to without introducing them to a garage that doesn't currently operate the type
Will Dundee Take any more presidents? I would imagine with a £300 million investment that a fair few garages will have a share in new buses.
Maybe the 11A/C will become a gold corridor?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 23, 2013, 05:08:03 PM
Will Dundee Take any more presidents? I would imagine with a £300 million investment that a fair few garages will have a share in new buses.
Maybe the 11A/C will become a gold corridor?
I'm sure Dundee could always take a few more, but if the 11A/C became a gold corridor with new buses you've suddenly got to find homes for 45+ ex AG Presidents plus potentially those surplus to requirement at YW
Quote from: Winston on July 23, 2013, 06:18:40 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 23, 2013, 05:08:03 PM
Will Dundee Take any more presidents? I would imagine with a £300 million investment that a fair few garages will have a share in new buses.
Maybe the 11A/C will become a gold corridor?
I'm sure Dundee could always take a few more, but if the 11A/C became a gold corridor with new buses you've suddenly got to find homes for 45+ ex AG Presidents plus potentially those surplus to requirement at YW
They could have a mass clear out of mercs b6s and darts at west brom as at least presidents are dda complaint and particularly the ag ones are in amazing condition interior wise-routes like the 5 could become fully president operated as could the 83 and 48/49 if euro3 buses arent needed on that route anyway. I do think though at some point they will have to be introduced somewhere which doesnt currently operate them such as PN or even wolverhampton??? Though to be fair dundee have a fair few non dda compliant buses to clear out soon so more presidents up there would work. Not 45 of them though ;)
Quote from: Peter123 on July 23, 2013, 06:35:52 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 23, 2013, 06:18:40 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 23, 2013, 05:08:03 PM
Will Dundee Take any more presidents? I would imagine with a £300 million investment that a fair few garages will have a share in new buses.
Maybe the 11A/C will become a gold corridor?
I'm sure Dundee could always take a few more, but if the 11A/C became a gold corridor with new buses you've suddenly got to find homes for 45+ ex AG Presidents plus potentially those surplus to requirement at YW
They could have a mass clear out of mercs b6s and darts at west brom as at least presidents are dda complaint and particularly the ag ones are in amazing condition interior wise-routes like the 5 could become fully president operated as could the 83 and 48/49 if euro3 buses arent needed on that route anyway. I do think though at some point they will have to be introduced somewhere which doesnt currently operate them such as PN or even wolverhampton??? Though to be fair dundee have a fair few non dda compliant buses to clear out soon so more presidents up there would work. Not 45 of them though ;)
I think PN is now unlikely, as I would have thought more Tridents will be the order of the day over Presidents
Is the 49 not going to serve the Great Park from September? And something about getting curtailed to Northfield again? Anyone confirm? Whilst they're there they could increase the whole service to 15minutes and scrap the 49E.
What's with the urge to get rid of Presidents?
Quote from: nx4737 on July 25, 2013, 06:28:02 PM
What's with the urge to get rid of Presidents?
Which urge to get rid of presidents is this? Must have passed me by lol-a few have gone to dundee to replace non-dda buses other than that i hardly think there has been a big clearout of them-they have just mostly been moved off b'ham city centre routes as they are only euro2 compliant...
Starting to see more and more Tridents appearing on 18, 49 and 76 routes.
How many Presidents have left for West Brom. 4084, 4086 and 4057 from what I've read on here. Any more?
I would expect 4085 to transfer too...
Is it best to assume, if more Presidents arrive, they will be placed on the 83/89, they're starting to become a regular occurence on the routes
Do YW operate President free Sundays? Never seem to see any out on Sundays.
YW operate Tridents, E400s and Omnilinks on sundays.
When YW first had these Presidents they were used on Sundays also, I remember seeing a President on the 76 in Shirley one Sunday.
Anybody know what routes 4314 and 4370 are on today?
think someone was asking about 4312, it's on the 18 today!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 12, 2013, 11:20:38 AM
think someone was asking about 4312, it's on the 18 today!
Matt saw it on the 50 the other day (Haven't seen 4312 since it left WN)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 12, 2013, 11:52:33 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 12, 2013, 11:20:38 AM
think someone was asking about 4312, it's on the 18 today!
Matt saw it on the 50 the other day (Haven't seen 4312 since it left WN)
Yes, it was on the 50 on Saturday.
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 08, 2013, 08:25:20 AM
Anybody know what routes 4314 and 4370 are on today?
4370 is back on the 35 today.
I saw 4370 on the 76 tuesday, 4314 appeared for me yet again coming off service but still happy days
YW are now starting to put NXWM Logo's on their Tridents in TWM Livery seen 4348 with them today
Quote from: Rob4367 on August 19, 2013, 04:08:19 PM
YW are now starting to put NXWM Logo's on their Tridents in TWM Livery seen 4348 with them today
4344 also as well, saw it on Sunday on the 6
There's a Trident on the 50 today, think it was 4360.
Also, 4799 is on the 3, think that's its first day on there?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 22, 2013, 05:04:37 PM
There's a Trident on the 50 today, think it was 4360.
Also, 4799 is on the 3, think that's its first day on there?
A lot on the 50 since green bus upped the frequency and a fair few short turning at the maypole which is very interesting. It is true that WMT/NX get very competitive on this route
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 22, 2013, 05:04:37 PM
Also, 4799 is on the 3, think that's its first day on there?
I have seen it before but only once!
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 22, 2013, 05:04:37 PM
There's a Trident on the 50 today, think it was 4360.
Also, 4799 is on the 3, think that's its first day on there?
Yes 4360 was the trident on the 50 with an E400 on the 6
There were two Enviro400s on the 2/3 today then, as I saw one heading into town in Sparkbrook on the 3 while I was waiting for my 37 home, then when I arrived back in Acocks Green there was another one that had just unloaded and headed down Westley Road (think that one was 4743?)
Have many more Enviro400s been recently branded for the 50 since the first few
Quote from: John on August 23, 2013, 03:44:42 AM
Have many more Enviro400s been recently branded for the 50 since the first few
4746-58 and 60-62 are branded. Haven't seen 4759.
Quote from: uniquicity on August 23, 2013, 04:55:24 PM
Quote from: John on August 23, 2013, 03:44:42 AM
Have many more Enviro400s been recently branded for the 50 since the first few
4746-58 and 60-62 are branded. Haven't seen 4759.
Stating the obvious, but 4799 is also unbranded.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 23, 2013, 05:11:21 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on August 23, 2013, 04:55:24 PM
Quote from: John on August 23, 2013, 03:44:42 AM
Have many more Enviro400s been recently branded for the 50 since the first few
4746-58 and 60-62 are branded. Haven't seen 4759.
Stating the obvious, but 4799 is also unbranded.
4759 is branded seen it a couple of days ago :)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 23, 2013, 05:11:21 PM
Stating the obvious, but 4799 is also unbranded.
I would like to see 4799 branded. Dought it will be though. it would look a lot more smarter than the rest
4341 on the 18 today, had no power at all, struggled badly up the hill to Bartley Green Interchange.
How many President's transferred back away from YW recently as I was in Northfield yesterday and didn't see a single President on the 18, only Tridents. The 49 was only half and half as well, the ones I saw.
Last time I saw the 18/49/76, I saw mostly Presidents and the odd Trident on the 49, the 18 was fully Trident and the 76 was Tridents with the odd President
Quote from: JB93 on September 05, 2013, 01:30:53 PM
How many President's transferred back away from YW recently as I was in Northfield yesterday and didn't see a single President on the 18, only Tridents. The 49 was only half and half as well, the ones I saw.
There was a single president on the 18 yesterday, saw it leaving Bartley Green as i arrived, unfortunately couldn't catch the number.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 05, 2013, 02:41:07 PM
Quote from: JB93 on September 05, 2013, 01:30:53 PM
How many President's transferred back away from YW recently as I was in Northfield yesterday and didn't see a single President on the 18, only Tridents. The 49 was only half and half as well, the ones I saw.
There was a single president on the 18 yesterday, saw it leaving Bartley Green as i arrived, unfortunately couldn't catch the number.
4093 was yesterdays 18 president, I also saw it whilst looking for 4370!
Have seen a 13 plate Enviro 400 operating on the 50 route this evening (4908). Is YW getting an unbranded batch of 49XX Enviro 400's in order to release their 47XX vehicles for overhaul, refurb and possible transfer to BC to upgrade the Pershore Road routes (as suggested elsewhere on the forum)?
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on September 05, 2013, 07:44:27 PM
Have seen a 13 plate Enviro 400 operating on the 50 route this evening (4908). Is YW getting an unbranded batch of 49XX Enviro 400's in order to release their 47XX vehicles for overhaul, refurb and possible transfer to BC to upgrade the Pershore Road routes (as suggested elsewhere on the forum)?
No infact it appears that BC have gained some running boards on the 50
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 05, 2013, 08:04:42 PM
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on September 05, 2013, 07:44:27 PM
Have seen a 13 plate Enviro 400 operating on the 50 route this evening (4908). Is YW getting an unbranded batch of 49XX Enviro 400's in order to release their 47XX vehicles for overhaul, refurb and possible transfer to BC to upgrade the Pershore Road routes (as suggested elsewhere on the forum)?
No infact it appears that BC have gained some running boards on the 50
It was 4906, seen it in Kings Heath this afternoon
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 05, 2013, 08:04:42 PM
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on September 05, 2013, 07:44:27 PM
Have seen a 13 plate Enviro 400 operating on the 50 route this evening (4908). Is YW getting an unbranded batch of 49XX Enviro 400's in order to release their 47XX vehicles for overhaul, refurb and possible transfer to BC to upgrade the Pershore Road routes (as suggested elsewhere on the forum)?
Whole rota lines if you read my post., mate
No infact it appears that BC have gained some running boards on the 50
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 05, 2013, 08:07:00 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 05, 2013, 08:04:42 PM
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on September 05, 2013, 07:44:27 PM
Have seen a 13 plate Enviro 400 operating on the 50 route this evening (4908). Is YW getting an unbranded batch of 49XX Enviro 400's in order to release their 47XX vehicles for overhaul, refurb and possible transfer to BC to upgrade the Pershore Road routes (as suggested elsewhere on the forum)?
Whole rota lines if you read my post., mate
No infact it appears that BC have gained some running boards on the 50
LS, what are rota lines?
Sorry LS, Might have worded it wrong. Could you possibly explain a whole rota line for me please?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 05, 2013, 08:19:46 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 05, 2013, 08:07:00 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 05, 2013, 08:04:42 PM
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on September 05, 2013, 07:44:27 PM
Have seen a 13 plate Enviro 400 operating on the 50 route this evening (4908). Is YW getting an unbranded batch of 49XX Enviro 400's in order to release their 47XX vehicles for overhaul, refurb and possible transfer to BC to upgrade the Pershore Road routes (as suggested elsewhere on the forum)?
Whole rota lines if you read my post., mate
No infact it appears that BC have gained some running boards on the 50
LS, what are rota lines?
What's caused the vehicle shortage at Yardley Wood? Buses going for refurb, or vehicles such as Presidents going without replacement in the wings. (BC of course used to operate the 50 up until a few years ago.)
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on September 05, 2013, 08:23:10 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 05, 2013, 08:19:46 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 05, 2013, 08:07:00 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 05, 2013, 08:04:42 PM
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on September 05, 2013, 07:44:27 PM
Have seen a 13 plate Enviro 400 operating on the 50 route this evening (4908). Is YW getting an unbranded batch of 49XX Enviro 400's in order to release their 47XX vehicles for overhaul, refurb and possible transfer to BC to upgrade the Pershore Road routes (as suggested elsewhere on the forum)?
Whole rota lines if you read my post., mate
No infact it appears that BC have gained some running boards on the 50
LS, what are rota lines?
What's caused the vehicle shortage at Yardley Wood? Buses going for refurb, or vehicles such as Presidents going without replacement in the wings. (BC of course used to operate the 50 up until a few years ago.)
Rota lines are a whole set of week duties on a rota. (Sunday to Saturday, say line 54 or whatever.) Its just a weeks worth of duties, extracted from a rota.
Are BC just operating on the 50 Mon-Fri?
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on September 05, 2013, 08:23:10 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 05, 2013, 08:19:46 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 05, 2013, 08:07:00 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 05, 2013, 08:04:42 PM
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on September 05, 2013, 07:44:27 PM
Have seen a 13 plate Enviro 400 operating on the 50 route this evening (4908). Is YW getting an unbranded batch of 49XX Enviro 400's in order to release their 47XX vehicles for overhaul, refurb and possible transfer to BC to upgrade the Pershore Road routes (as suggested elsewhere on the forum)?
Whole rota lines if you read my post., mate
No infact it appears that BC have gained some running boards on the 50
LS, what are rota lines?
What's caused the vehicle shortage at Yardley Wood? Buses going for refurb, or vehicles such as Presidents going without replacement in the wings. (BC of course used to operate the 50 up until a few years ago.)
There is no vehicle shortage at YW, if there was they would have a couple of vehicles transferred in!
What there is is an even worse driver shortage than at BC!
I have been on the 97s today, having a day off tomorrow then having a play on a few more different routes next week;
61/63 on Saturday
60 on Sunday
90 on Monday
Then back on the 14 for a couple of days.
I might even see about doing a couple of day offs at YW to refresh myself on some of their routes. The 6 is the only one I have driven in the last 15 years. The 2, 3, 6, 18 & 49 & 50 are easy enough.
Quote from: Tony on September 05, 2013, 08:49:00 PM
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on September 05, 2013, 08:23:10 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 05, 2013, 08:19:46 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 05, 2013, 08:07:00 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 05, 2013, 08:04:42 PM
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on September 05, 2013, 07:44:27 PM
Have seen a 13 plate Enviro 400 operating on the 50 route this evening (4908). Is YW getting an unbranded batch of 49XX Enviro 400's in order to release their 47XX vehicles for overhaul, refurb and possible transfer to BC to upgrade the Pershore Road routes (as suggested elsewhere on the forum)?
Whole rota lines if you read my post., mate
No infact it appears that BC have gained some running boards on the 50
LS, what are rota lines?
What's caused the vehicle shortage at Yardley Wood? Buses going for refurb, or vehicles such as Presidents going without replacement in the wings. (BC of course used to operate the 50 up until a few years ago.)
There is no vehicle shortage at YW, if there was they would have a couple of vehicles transferred in!
What there is is an even worse driver shortage than at BC!
I have been on the 97s today, having a day off tomorrow then having a play on a few more different routes next week;
61/63 on Saturday
60 on Sunday
90 on Monday
Then back on the 14 for a couple of days.
I might even see about doing a couple of day offs at YW to refresh myself on some of their routes. The 6 is the only one I have driven in the last 15 years. The 2, 3, 6, 18 & 49 & 50 are easy enough.
Maybe you should do a 27, I don't understand the way that goes round Northfield. Why can you catch the same service on both sides of the road? How many loops does it do around Scumfield?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 05, 2013, 08:58:09 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 05, 2013, 08:49:00 PM
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on September 05, 2013, 08:23:10 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 05, 2013, 08:19:46 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 05, 2013, 08:07:00 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 05, 2013, 08:04:42 PM
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on September 05, 2013, 07:44:27 PM
Have seen a 13 plate Enviro 400 operating on the 50 route this evening (4908). Is YW getting an unbranded batch of 49XX Enviro 400's in order to release their 47XX vehicles for overhaul, refurb and possible transfer to BC to upgrade the Pershore Road routes (as suggested elsewhere on the forum)?
Whole rota lines if you read my post., mate
No infact it appears that BC have gained some running boards on the 50
LS, what are rota lines?
What's caused the vehicle shortage at Yardley Wood? Buses going for refurb, or vehicles such as Presidents going without replacement in the wings. (BC of course used to operate the 50 up until a few years ago.)
There is no vehicle shortage at YW, if there was they would have a couple of vehicles transferred in!
What there is is an even worse driver shortage than at BC!
I have been on the 97s today, having a day off tomorrow then having a play on a few more different routes next week;
61/63 on Saturday
60 on Sunday
90 on Monday
Then back on the 14 for a couple of days.
I might even see about doing a couple of day offs at YW to refresh myself on some of their routes. The 6 is the only one I have driven in the last 15 years. The 2, 3, 6, 18 & 49 & 50 are easy enough.
Maybe you should do a 27, I don't understand the way that goes round Northfield. Why can you catch the same service on both sides of the road? How many loops does it do around Scumfield?
I don't understand that at all either-god knows why they had to change it
anyone know what happended to 4383, its got a large gash under the window , chipped above the light on the left, scratched down the side on the right
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 11, 2013, 07:11:13 PM
anyone know what happended to 4383, its got a large gash under the window , chipped above the light on the left, scratched down the side on the right
I must go and check that out.
Quote from: Mike K on September 11, 2013, 07:34:04 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 11, 2013, 07:11:13 PM
anyone know what happended to 4383, its got a large gash under the window , chipped above the light on the left, scratched down the side on the right
I must go and check that out.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9723843563/
here it is,
WIll try to cut it so its a close up :)
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 11, 2013, 07:38:24 PM
Quote from: Mike K on September 11, 2013, 07:34:04 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 11, 2013, 07:11:13 PM
anyone know what happended to 4383, its got a large gash under the window , chipped above the light on the left, scratched down the side on the right
I must go and check that out.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9723843563/
here it is,
WIll try to cut it so its a close up :)
Ah right, thanks Nathan.
Opening a link to a picture of a large gash, that wasn't quite what I had in mind ;)
Just looks like the vinyl has been sliced and is peeling?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 11, 2013, 07:45:31 PM
Just looks like the vinyl has been sliced and is peeling?
:) thanks L.S, it did look worse than it looked close up, and one of AG buses had scratches across the side and a dent too match ::)
how many running boards are on the 50?
Updating my fleetlist, does anyone know what style of 50 branding 4759 has on the offside, the Sunday, Morning or Evening version, or the normal 50 style?
My picture of it is from the nearside, and there is no other picture of it in the blue branding
Quote from: John on September 13, 2013, 08:37:54 PM
Updating my fleetlist, does anyone know what style of 50 branding 4759 has on the offside, the Sunday, Morning or Evening version, or the normal 50 style?
My picture of it is from the nearside, and there is no other picture of it in the blue branding
My Memory is telling me its the normal 50 style, but I can't find any pictures and I'm still learning the Blue 50's atm myself, will keep my eyes peeled!
Quote from: trident4370 on September 14, 2013, 12:35:34 AM
My Memory is telling me its the normal 50 style, but I can't find any pictures and I'm still learning the Blue 50's atm myself, will keep my eyes peeled!
Thanks Joe ;)
Quote from: John on September 14, 2013, 09:12:06 AM
Quote from: trident4370 on September 14, 2013, 12:35:34 AM
My Memory is telling me its the normal 50 style, but I can't find any pictures and I'm still learning the Blue 50's atm myself, will keep my eyes peeled!
Thanks Joe ;)
Don't take it as gospel as I could be wrong! Will confirm next time I see it :P
Saw it today and it is definitely the normal style with the destinations.
Quote from: trident4370 on September 24, 2013, 07:23:23 PM
Saw it today and it is definitely the normal style with the destinations.
Thanks Joe, much appreciated ;)
Quote from: John on September 24, 2013, 09:54:26 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on September 24, 2013, 07:23:23 PM
Saw it today and it is definitely the normal style with the destinations.
Thanks Joe, much appreciated ;)
No worries, anymore just let me know :P
Quote from: trident4370 on September 24, 2013, 10:05:13 PM
No worries, anymore just let me know :P
I think I've got them all now :)
Are 4738-4744 unbranded?
Quote from: John on September 24, 2013, 10:08:48 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on September 24, 2013, 10:05:13 PM
No worries, anymore just let me know :P
I think I've got them all now :)
Are 4738-4744 unbranded?
4738-4745 are unbranded ;)
http://wmbusphotos.com/zstockphotos/YardleyWoodgarage.html
Quote from: Tony on September 25, 2013, 10:32:41 PM
http://wmbusphotos.com/zstockphotos/YardleyWoodgarage.html
Great shot. Was it taken on the top of the stairs to the canteen?
And I'm sure that view will help many with model layouts. Well done.
Quote from: Tony on September 25, 2013, 10:32:41 PM
http://wmbusphotos.com/zstockphotos/YardleyWoodgarage.html
3225 looking very much the odd one out!
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 25, 2013, 10:34:08 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 25, 2013, 10:32:41 PM
http://wmbusphotos.com/zstockphotos/YardleyWoodgarage.html
Great shot. Was it taken on the top of the stairs to the canteen?
And I'm sure that view will help many with model layouts. Well done.
I Agree, I notice that there is an ALX400 having a front-end rebuild & an Omnilink with it front missing/removed
Quote from: Winston on September 25, 2013, 10:58:04 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 25, 2013, 10:34:08 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 25, 2013, 10:32:41 PM
http://wmbusphotos.com/zstockphotos/YardleyWoodgarage.html
Great shot. Was it taken on the top of the stairs to the canteen?
And I'm sure that view will help many with model layouts. Well done.
I Agree, I notice that there is an ALX400 having a front-end rebuild & an Omnilink with it front missing/removed
Indeed. It's a very interesting shot that you don't often get to see. It looks like a hive of activity in there.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 25, 2013, 10:34:08 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 25, 2013, 10:32:41 PM
http://wmbusphotos.com/zstockphotos/YardleyWoodgarage.html
Great shot. Was it taken on the top of the stairs to the canteen?
And I'm sure that view will help many with model layouts. Well done.
I like how the NXWM garages seem to all have canteens and other extravagant facilities, at TGB the canteen is a small kitchen with microwave, toaster, sink, dishwasher, vending machine and not much more! As TGB is the only garage I'm very familiar with, I never expected other ones to have the facilities they do
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 25, 2013, 11:06:32 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 25, 2013, 10:34:08 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 25, 2013, 10:32:41 PM
http://wmbusphotos.com/zstockphotos/YardleyWoodgarage.html
Great shot. Was it taken on the top of the stairs to the canteen?
And I'm sure that view will help many with model layouts. Well done.
I like how the NXWM garages seem to all have canteens and other extravagant facilities, at TGB the canteen is a small kitchen with microwave, toaster, sink, dishwasher, vending machine and not much more! As TGB is the only garage I'm very familiar with, I never expected other ones to have the facilities they do
I should image PE & BY are the exception re: canteens
Quote from: Winston on September 25, 2013, 11:10:26 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 25, 2013, 11:06:32 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 25, 2013, 10:34:08 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 25, 2013, 10:32:41 PM
http://wmbusphotos.com/zstockphotos/YardleyWoodgarage.html
Great shot. Was it taken on the top of the stairs to the canteen?
And I'm sure that view will help many with model layouts. Well done.
I like how the NXWM garages seem to all have canteens and other extravagant facilities, at TGB the canteen is a small kitchen with microwave, toaster, sink, dishwasher, vending machine and not much more! As TGB is the only garage I'm very familiar with, I never expected other ones to have the facilities they do
I should image PE & BY are the exception re: canteens
I did think that, looking from the outside Pensnett doesn't really seem big enough to have a proper canteen
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 25, 2013, 11:12:25 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 25, 2013, 11:10:26 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 25, 2013, 11:06:32 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 25, 2013, 10:34:08 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 25, 2013, 10:32:41 PM
http://wmbusphotos.com/zstockphotos/YardleyWoodgarage.html
Great shot. Was it taken on the top of the stairs to the canteen?
And I'm sure that view will help many with model layouts. Well done.
I like how the NXWM garages seem to all have canteens and other extravagant facilities, at TGB the canteen is a small kitchen with microwave, toaster, sink, dishwasher, vending machine and not much more! As TGB is the only garage I'm very familiar with, I never expected other ones to have the facilities they do
I should image PE & BY are the exception re: canteens
I did think that, looking from the outside Pensnett doesn't really seem big enough to have a proper canteen
I think Pensnett's canteen is located a short walk away, its called 'Greggs' ;D
Only the former Birmingham City Transport garages have canteens
Quote from: Winston on September 25, 2013, 10:58:04 PM
I Agree, I notice that there is an ALX400 having a front-end rebuild & an Omnilink with it front missing/removed
Hmmm I'm Not so sure that's an ALX400 being rebuilt, it looks a bit more like a President to me, or it could be something from another garage though I'm sure YW do bodywork jobs from time to time?
Quote from: trident4370 on September 25, 2013, 11:38:30 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 25, 2013, 10:58:04 PM
I Agree, I notice that there is an ALX400 having a front-end rebuild & an Omnilink with it front missing/removed
Hmmm I'm Not so sure that's an ALX400 being rebuilt, it looks a bit more like a President to me, or it could be something from another garage though I'm sure YW do bodywork jobs from time to time?
Yes that's a President, curved windows are just about visible
Quote from: trident4370 on September 25, 2013, 11:38:30 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 25, 2013, 10:58:04 PM
I Agree, I notice that there is an ALX400 having a front-end rebuild & an Omnilink with it front missing/removed
Hmmm I'm Not so sure that's an ALX400 being rebuilt, it looks a bit more like a President to me, or it could be something from another garage though I'm sure YW do bodywork jobs from time to time?
Yes, it may actually be a President. I understand YW do get involved with major accident repairs & refurb work for other garages
Quote from: Winston on September 25, 2013, 11:41:10 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on September 25, 2013, 11:38:30 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 25, 2013, 10:58:04 PM
I Agree, I notice that there is an ALX400 having a front-end rebuild & an Omnilink with it front missing/removed
Hmmm I'm Not so sure that's an ALX400 being rebuilt, it looks a bit more like a President to me, or it could be something from another garage though I'm sure YW do bodywork jobs from time to time?
Yes, it may actually be a President. I understand YW do get involved with major accident repairs & refurb work for other garages
It is WB 4048
Quote from: Tony on September 26, 2013, 07:59:21 AM
Quote from: Winston on September 25, 2013, 11:41:10 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on September 25, 2013, 11:38:30 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 25, 2013, 10:58:04 PM
I Agree, I notice that there is an ALX400 having a front-end rebuild & an Omnilink with it front missing/removed
Hmmm I'm Not so sure that's an ALX400 being rebuilt, it looks a bit more like a President to me, or it could be something from another garage though I'm sure YW do bodywork jobs from time to time?
Yes, it may actually be a President. I understand YW do get involved with major accident repairs & refurb work for other garages
It is WB 4048
Has that been in an accident then? As it has only recently been refurbished
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on September 26, 2013, 10:25:13 AM
Quote from: Tony on September 26, 2013, 07:59:21 AM
It is WB 4048
Has that been in an accident then? As it has only recently been refurbished
I'm sure someone had said it was. Don't know any details
Just through on my Yahoo Mail account,
"4751 will be out of action for a while the front windscreen completely gone as a van went into the front side trying to beat it past the bus lane and failed !"
Anybody any details?
Not heard anything but there were at least 2 tridents on the 50 today anyway so I expect we will see many more over the next few weeks now if YW are short of Enviros.
It does annoy me when people show a complete lack of care for buses, how a 5 second advantage for 1 person in a car/van is more important than the safety of 40 odd bus passengers I will never know or understand.
Are Yardley Wood short of Enviro400s anyway, because there seems to be a couple of Tridents on the 50 most times I see it. They must be on other routes more often, plus they also have an extra after 4799 transferred in
Quote from: John on October 01, 2013, 09:15:04 PM
Are Yardley Wood short of Enviro400s anyway, because there seems to be a couple of Tridents on the 50 most times I see it. They must be on other routes more often, plus they also have an extra after 4799 transferred in
For what its worth I haven't seen 4799 for at least a week now so I don't know if its off the road or if It is just eluding me but I do think YW are short of Enviros for some reason(s). I don't think the allocations are helping matters if it's true that the 84 had Enviros running on it again last week!
Quote from: trident4370 on October 01, 2013, 09:21:50 PM
Quote from: John on October 01, 2013, 09:15:04 PM
Are Yardley Wood short of Enviro400s anyway, because there seems to be a couple of Tridents on the 50 most times I see it. They must be on other routes more often, plus they also have an extra after 4799 transferred in
For what its worth I haven't seen 4799 for at least a week now so I don't know if its off the road or if It is just eluding me but I do think YW are short of Enviros for some reason(s). I don't think the allocations are helping matters if it's true that the 84 had Enviros running on it again last week!
Well there has been one on the 18 almost every time I have seen it over the last week! Along with a B10 every day, so maybe short of Presidents instead?
Could well be the case, Ive also noticed the B10L has become a daily regular on the 18 over the last couple of weeks and from what I'm hearing there seems to be at least 1 omnilink on the 2/3 daily now aswell as the 27.
4799 is at Carlyle Bus & Coach, Rear accident damage, and 4751 has been towed in this morning, Front O/S accident damage
Quote from: FireballXL5 on October 02, 2013, 01:08:46 PM
4799 is at Carlyle Bus & Coach, Rear accident damage, and 4751 has been towed in this morning, Front O/S accident damage
Oh no :( when was this, what happened?
Why was 1447 (I think.. I'll have to double check) on an all day 49 board? Oddness for sure.
1447 is on the 49, i saw it on the Stratford Road, Shirley at about 12.15.
Quote from: JIM H on October 02, 2013, 03:30:49 PM
1447 is on the 49, i saw it on the Stratford Road, Shirley at about 12.15.
Bingo. Thanks Jimmy H. Seems strange as it has the least amount of B10's yet they appeared off route. Can I recall one being on the 84 previously? I think so.
There were some tridents on the 50 again today and the 49. Rode 4799 only a few weeks ago on the 76E; didn't learn of its history till later.
Last time a B10L got on all day 49 was last year and that was 1450.
Quote from: Ashley 4566 on October 07, 2013, 11:18:19 PM
Last time a B10L got on all day 49 was last year and that was 1450.
You ocassionally get an OmniLink on the 49 as well, a bit more regular than a B10L
I have seen that happen as well
I remember when YW was down to 7 Leyland Lynxs in 2006/2007
2-allocated 2
12-1
35-3
Majority was used in all day service although there was a small allocation of this type.
Whats the 50 PVR ?
Based on my calculations, I'm guessing its around 20, Nathan.
Quote from: Stu on October 11, 2013, 08:27:14 PM
Based on my calculations, I'm guessing its around 20, Nathan.
17 Enviro400s are branded, so there will be unbranded ones on there as well and/or Trident's
:D thanks Stu & John :)
When YW Were down to their last Fleetline (the first time around) that was out on all day service too, usually the 6 or the S3. 6921 by the way!
What a memory!
After 16 years away from Brum, I tempted to come back to YW, I know it's not the job it used to be before someone says but I may give it a go, especially if they redo short ATM.
John
4383 had something wrong because 4358 replaced its duties on the 35 this morning at Kings Heath around 9:45am
Just seen 4387 on the Walsall Road, heading into Birmingham by the Church Lane Traffic Lights. Not In Service, but it had vertical lines on the display, in a rectangle
Quote from: John on October 27, 2013, 11:35:45 AM
Just seen 4387 on the Walsall Road, heading into Birmingham by the Church Lane Traffic Lights. Not In Service, but it had vertical lines on the display, in a rectangle
On its way back from Walsall Paintshop where the nearside has had a few replacement panels put on
I didn't want to clog up the Pensnett thread talking about this but, IF it is true that YW are gaining PBs older enviros, will we also get 4698?
Quote from: trident4370 on October 28, 2013, 09:37:01 PM
I didn't want to clog up the Pensnett thread talking about this but, IF it is true that YW are gaining PBs older enviros, will we also get 4698?
I presume so if they are going to move them all to YW ;)
Quote from: Rob4367 on October 28, 2013, 09:42:03 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on October 28, 2013, 09:37:01 PM
I didn't want to clog up the Pensnett thread talking about this but, IF it is true that YW are gaining PBs older enviros, will we also get 4698?
I presume so if they are going to move them all to YW ;)
That's what I was thinking but with it being a ZF euro 3, YW don't seem to like them as 4425 and 4426 proved! I also have a gut feeling as to which route they would be for...
4751 has had accident damage repairs, and has lost its offside fleetnumber and the blue branding below the front window
Yardley Wood also appear to have finally rolled out the new Matrix programming 4333-4341 have had for the last month! I actually prefer it, never liked the old skinny numbers.
Quote from: trident4370 on October 30, 2013, 03:08:16 PM
Yardley Wood also appear to have finally rolled out the new Matrix programming 4333-4341 have had for the last month! I actually prefer it, never liked the old skinny numbers.
I've noticed a few like that yes, with the 'chunky' bold text on the destination line.
Also noticed on the 6 that it now says 'via Camp Hill & Sparkhill' as one of the via points now.
Any news on 4799?
4725 + 4726 now at YW
Quote from: J1987 on October 31, 2013, 06:04:29 AM
4725 + 4726 now at YW
4353 is now at Pensnett. On the 246 today.
Quote from: uniquicity on October 31, 2013, 09:06:36 AM
Quote from: J1987 on October 31, 2013, 06:04:29 AM
4725 + 4726 now at YW
4353 is now at Pensnett. On the 246 today.
NX aren't wasting anytime moving the cascades around and getting them in to service at their new garages
Quote from: Winston on October 31, 2013, 09:11:27 AM
Quote from: uniquicity on October 31, 2013, 09:06:36 AM
Quote from: J1987 on October 31, 2013, 06:04:29 AM
4725 + 4726 now at YW
4353 is now at Pensnett. On the 246 today.
NX aren't wasting anytime moving the cascades around and getting them in to service at their new garages
The days of the PE Merc look numbered then!
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 31, 2013, 09:48:27 AM
Quote from: Winston on October 31, 2013, 09:11:27 AM
Quote from: uniquicity on October 31, 2013, 09:06:36 AM
Quote from: J1987 on October 31, 2013, 06:04:29 AM
4725 + 4726 now at YW
4353 is now at Pensnett. On the 246 today.
NX aren't wasting anytime moving the cascades around and getting them in to service at their new garages
The days of the PE Merc look numbered then!
Refubished examples should be safe for a while yet, YW appear to be getting max 16 x E400's (if 4698 included). That should be no more than 16 Tridents out but that quantity could also include some Presidents. PE should still have 30 Mercs left even if it had all 16 ex YW Tridents
Quote from: J1987 on October 31, 2013, 06:04:29 AM
4725 + 4726 now at YW
Hopefully the ex-Perry Barr Enviro400s last a while at Yardley Wood in 'toothpaste' livery before getting refurbs. Some do need refurbing though, 4721 the most
Anyone know what route(s) they're on today?
4718 is still going strong at PB on the 907 today
4725 + 26 both on the 35 today not sure about 4731, couldn't agree more livery looks far better, brighter and attractive than the other red and white Enviro's here.
Quote from: spudnick on October 31, 2013, 01:20:49 PM
4725 + 26 both on the 35 today not sure about 4731, couldn't agree more livery looks far better, brighter and attractive than the other red and white Enviro's here.
I suspect they'll probably be a permanent feature on the 35
Thanks guys :)
Just been up the road and saw 4725, looks very strange seeing a stripey down here, hope they don't get refurbished for a few months yet! I also have a feeling the BV57 regs will be used to fill in on the 50 instead of tridents.
Quote from: trident4370 on October 31, 2013, 02:39:13 PM
Just been up the road and saw 4725, looks very strange seeing a stripey down here, hope they don't get refurbished for a few months yet! I also have a feeling the BV57 regs will be used to fill in on the 50 instead of tridents.
You might see any 'toothpaste' Enviro400 on the 50, and the un-branded natives may sneak onto other Yardley Wood routes, especially when the ex-Perry Barr ones are repainted
4370 is/was on the 50 today :)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on October 31, 2013, 06:12:01 PM
4370 is/was on the 50 today :)
I saw it yesterday on the 18. It must feel left out, as it is the last bus at Yardley Wood still with TWM logos
Quote from: John on October 31, 2013, 06:14:05 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on October 31, 2013, 06:12:01 PM
4370 is/was on the 50 today :)
I saw it yesterday on the 18. It must feel left out, as it is the last bus at Yardley Wood still with TWM logos
Caught it the other day on the 18 with Matt from Bartley Green-Northfield the other day :)
4731 really suits the 3E (:
Where are the driver change over points for the
3
35
49
50
76
2, 18 and 27 serve the depot so obviously at Depot Gates!
When YW operated the 5 & 73, Where did the drivers change over?
Quote from: gc802002 on October 31, 2013, 10:43:36 PM
Where are the driver change over points for the
3
35
49
50
76
2, 18 and 27 serve the depot so obviously at Depot Gates!
When YW operated the 5 & 73, Where did the drivers change over?
I know the 49 is at the Maypole
Do you reckon they would make the 6 DD with the PB buses and revert the 35 to Scania operation?
The 50 is Half way along the route, just outside a betting shop I think:/ carnt remember the road
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 31, 2013, 11:01:38 PM
The 50 is Half way along the route, just outside a betting shop I think:/ carnt remember the road
Alcester Lanes End, something like that
76 is in Pool Farm if that's the area, not to familiar with Yardley Wood areas.
I could be wrong, but I think 3 is at School Road/Ravenshill Road, and 76 is at Haunch Lane/Yardley Wood Road (the former 13 and 18 termini for those who remember WMPTE days). 35 is probably at Kings Heath.
Quote from: neale95 on October 31, 2013, 11:07:59 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 31, 2013, 11:01:38 PM
The 50 is Half way along the route, just outside a betting shop I think:/ carnt remember the road
Alcester Lanes End, something like that
Yes it's Alcester Lanes End by the Kings Arms pub. It's where the 18 route crosses the 50 so drivers tend to jump on or off an 18 if they're heading to or from the garage.
15 PB enviros are to move to YW for 35 service.
Quote from: J1987 on November 01, 2013, 07:56:09 AM
15 PB enviros are to move to YW for 35 service.
What about the spare enviro? Presumably 4698
35 changeover is Kings Heath church (I only know because we had to wait for a driver who was delayed coming off a 50 from garage
Pool Farm is served by the 35, 45, 49 and 84 Nathan4775
Any idea why so many Enviros on the 35 today, at least 4 spotted...
Quote from: Abluhwleh on November 01, 2013, 02:04:09 PM
Any idea why so many Enviros on the 35 today, at least 4 spotted...
Because the E400's transfered from PB to YW will be used on the 35
4726 out on 35 today :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10610701043/
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 01, 2013, 03:38:02 PM
4726 out on 35 today :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10610701043/
Really suited to the 35!! Very nice
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 01, 2013, 03:38:02 PM
4726 out on 35 today :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10610701043/
That looks weird..... I suppose toothpaste enviros anywhere except Perry Barr routes to me still looks weird
Quote from: Kevin on November 01, 2013, 04:04:18 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 01, 2013, 03:38:02 PM
4726 out on 35 today :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10610701043/
That looks weird..... I suppose toothpaste enviros anywhere except Perry Barr routes to me still looks weird
I would have really loved to have seen it run out of BC on the 900 or 22/3/4
4729 now arrived
Quote from: Kevin on November 01, 2013, 04:04:18 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 01, 2013, 03:38:02 PM
4726 out on 35 today :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10610701043/
That looks weird..... I suppose toothpaste enviros anywhere except Perry Barr routes to me still looks weird
Great pic Nathan. It looks weird seeing it on a Yardley Wood route, but I can get used to it
It will be nice to see Yardley Wood running 'Toothpaste', apart from 1420 and 4053 for a day, also 4042 for the one day as well
If my camera wasn't so annoying, i would have got a shot of 4726 and 4731 passing each other in kings heath on the 35 this afternoon
Quote from: John on November 01, 2013, 07:02:26 PM
Quote from: Kevin on November 01, 2013, 04:04:18 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 01, 2013, 03:38:02 PM
4726 out on 35 today :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10610701043/
That looks weird..... I suppose toothpaste enviros anywhere except Perry Barr routes to me still looks weird
Great pic Nathan. It looks weird seeing it on a Yardley Wood route, but I can get used to it
It will be nice to see Yardley Wood running 'Toothpaste', apart from 1420 and 4053 for a day, also 4042 for the one day as well
It's ruddy fantastic seeing YW operating Toothpaste livery! Even if it won't last for more than 6 months, although saying that there's still some vinyl in need of repainting so hopefully this will delay any Enviro repaints :P
On a lighter note 4725 today had a notice across the drivers door telling people to collect tickets from the ticket machine opposite the stairs, sadly nobody bothered to read it and one lady even stood holding her hand out where the ticket machine usually is, maybe in the hope one would materialise out of thin air?
I hope that one or two of those Enviros stray on to the 76; I prefer them greatly to the the ALX400 Tridents.
Quote from: trident4370 on November 02, 2013, 01:57:56 AM
On a lighter note 4725 today had a notice across the drivers door telling people to collect tickets from the ticket machine opposite the stairs, sadly nobody bothered to read it and one lady even stood holding her hand out where the ticket machine usually is, maybe in the hope one would materialise out of thin air?
Many people using the Sutton Lines have been caught out by that, me included the once!
Quote from: John on November 02, 2013, 08:54:19 AM
Quote from: trident4370 on November 02, 2013, 01:57:56 AM
On a lighter note 4725 today had a notice across the drivers door telling people to collect tickets from the ticket machine opposite the stairs, sadly nobody bothered to read it and one lady even stood holding her hand out where the ticket machine usually is, maybe in the hope one would materialise out of thin air?
Many people using the Sutton Lines have been caught out by that, me included the once!
It's about time the ticket machine was fitted in the correct location on those buses
I personally think as and when they go in for repaint/refurbishment it might be something that is dealt with.
Why are the ticket machines behind the two front seats ? I only ever seen it one bus
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 02, 2013, 05:26:39 PM
Why are the ticket machines behind the two front seats ? I only ever seen it one bus
It is the same in all of the '07' Enviro400s. The ticket printer is on a hand rail by the wheelchair area. They were fitted there from new
Quote from: John on November 02, 2013, 05:36:18 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 02, 2013, 05:26:39 PM
Why are the ticket machines behind the two front seats ? I only ever seen it one bus
It is the same in all of the '07' Enviro400s. The ticket printer is on a hand rail by the wheelchair area. They were fitted there from new
Belive it was done as a trial
Quote from: John on November 02, 2013, 05:36:18 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 02, 2013, 05:26:39 PM
Why are the ticket machines behind the two front seats ? I only ever seen it one bus
It is the same in all of the '07' Enviro400s. The ticket printer is on a hand rail by the wheelchair area. They were fitted there from new
Not all of them, just the first 10. 4698 was also like that but has since been changed to normal
Quote from: Tony on November 02, 2013, 09:00:45 PM
Quote from: John on November 02, 2013, 05:36:18 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 02, 2013, 05:26:39 PM
Why are the ticket machines behind the two front seats ? I only ever seen it one bus
It is the same in all of the '07' Enviro400s. The ticket printer is on a hand rail by the wheelchair area. They were fitted there from new
Not all of them, just the first 10. 4698 was also like that but has since been changed to normal
Theres only 10 07 plate Enviros
Saw an Enviro on the 3 yesterday evening (posting it in here because I'm not sure if it's unusual or not - looked odd though)
Quote from: Kevin on November 03, 2013, 06:56:57 AM
Saw an Enviro on the 3 yesterday evening (posting it in here because I'm not sure if it's unusual or not - looked odd though)
I saw that yesterday. It was a 474* unbranded one, can not remember which.
4799 was also on the 2. Looks like it has a new rear end, I know it was off the road for a bit, so it must have had a rear end impact
Well it looks like my favourite will be shipped off to yw soon :(
I have clips of 4729 on the 50 and 4731 on the 35 from this morning
4729
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6P_ExrrV7o
4731
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjaEmVw_sqQ
Quote from: John on November 03, 2013, 09:16:13 AM
Quote from: Kevin on November 03, 2013, 06:56:57 AM
Saw an Enviro on the 3 yesterday evening (posting it in here because I'm not sure if it's unusual or not - looked odd though)
I saw that yesterday. It was a 474* unbranded one, can not remember which.
4799 was also on the 2. Looks like it has a new rear end, I know it was off the road for a bit, so it must have had a rear end impact
Noticed today that the rear is damaged above rear window.
Specially for BU07LGO here is 4718 on the 3 today!
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4718.html
Quote from: Tony on November 12, 2013, 10:16:42 PM
Specially for BU07LGO here is 4718 on the 3 today!
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4718.html
I don't think that photo is going to go down well :P
Quote from: Tony on November 12, 2013, 10:16:42 PM
Specially for BU07LGO here is 4718 on the 3 today!
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4718.html
Haha thanks :) It still looks immaculate
Does anyone know the PVRs of the 2/3, 35 & 50?
Isnt it 4 or 5 for the 2, 6 for the 3, 14 for the 35 and 20 something on the 50?
Quote from: Ashley on November 14, 2013, 05:07:27 PM
Isnt it 4 or 5 for the 2, 6 for the 3, 14 for the 35 and 20 something on the 50?
The 2 and 3 interwork, so they would have a combined PVR. Don't know the exact figure though.
Campare this to the photo earlier up the thread taken from the same spot!
Love that shot Tony!
Quite decent gaps between the parked up buses these days....
Quote from: Tony on November 17, 2013, 03:55:27 PM
Campare this to the photo earlier up the thread taken from the same spot!
Well its no surprise unusual workings happen because of the way the buses park! And imagine the chaos if the President at the front FTS
Are YW short of deckers again?
I noticed an Omnilink on the 18 and the 49 again today. (I was preoccupied with the task of driving to remember the fleet number)
Which of YW's are OTR?
YW certainly still seem to be a few deckers down. Caught the 35 for the first time yesterday from Kings Heath to B'ham, hoping for a ex PB enviro..... a Scania, 1910, turns up. First time i've seen a single on the 35 and the driver kept clipping curves with it so clearly not used to a scania on the route. Love the Scanias so actually made the trip even better!
Quote from: Liberator9 on November 23, 2013, 08:37:05 AM
YW certainly still seem to be a few deckers down. Caught the 35 for the first time yesterday from Kings Heath to B'ham, hoping for a ex PB enviro..... a Scania, 1910, turns up. First time i've seen a single on the 35 and the driver kept clipping curves with it so clearly not used to a scania on the route. Love the Scanias so actually made the trip even better!
There were 2 (1925 and 1928) on two consecutive 3 journeys this Afternoon
Anyone know who 4376 is named after ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 23, 2013, 09:34:17 PM
Anyone know who 4376 is named after ?
Graham Nash. He has worked for 50 years 'on the buses'
Toothpaste livery looks out of place in Bartley green, 4724 on the 18 today.
An odd sighting for me today was 1925 out of service on Vincent Drive heading in the direction of Birmingham. Might have gone out of service at the QE?
Quote from: uniquicity on December 04, 2013, 11:37:38 PM
An odd sighting for me today was 1925 out of service on Vincent Drive heading in the direction of Birmingham. Might have gone out of service at the QE?
Finishing service on the 84 possibly? ;)
4799 parked up by the church in Cotteridge decked out with festive decorations, looked like a service going on at the church.
NXWM reported that Santa would be driving it around Bournville and Selly Oak today.
4729 is the first Enviro YW have sent to Walsall for refurb/repaint
Enviros seem to have disappeared off the 35, any idea why?
Quote from: filbus1 on December 11, 2013, 12:59:41 PM
Enviros seem to have disappeared off the 35, any idea why?
There is a few Enviros off the road from what I've heard recently :)
The 50 seems to have some Tridents today also so maybe you are right.
All I saw on YW services yesterday was Enviros, toothpaste and NX livery. On the 2/3, 35 & 50
Yet today I was in the bull ring area for a hour and not one toothpaste Enviro appeared, even Scania 1929 was on the 35
Quote from: filbus1 on December 11, 2013, 01:10:46 PM
Yet today I was in the bull ring area for a hour and not one toothpaste Enviro appeared, even Scania 1929 was on the 35
Spotter's luck maybe?
Saw one toothpaste on the 6 this evening and had 4739 on the 76E this morning; all the 35s I've seen today though have been Tridents.
Quote from: Liberator9 on December 11, 2013, 06:03:06 PM
Saw one toothpaste on the 6 this evening and had 4739 on the 76E this morning; all the 35s I've seen today though have been Tridents.
The toothpaste would have been 4725, as I saw it on the Stratford Road while waiting for my 37.
The 35 and 50 were hammered this morning due to some temporary traffic lights at the end of kings Heath high street so a lot of us were being turned at some point. There was at least one toothpaste enviro on the 35 (don't know the number), and I was in 4740 which was out till this evening I believe.
Are the plans to use 4718-31 on the 35 0r to use them wherever as the Tridents are?
Quote from: filbus1 on December 12, 2013, 06:40:14 AM
Are the plans to use 4718-31 on the 35 0r to use them wherever as the Tridents are?
The plan was to convert the 35 to Enviro400 operation. I guess the spares would be used on other routes, the 18 is one that regularly has the 'Toothpaste' Enviro400s on, as well as most other Trident routes
There was one toothpaste Enviro on the 50 all night last night. A second one came off the 50 at Druids Heath about 20:00 I think
Being the only south Birmingham garage with Liberators, I assume this Liberator was YW based. This afternoon at around 3:40 I saw a Liberator come down Poplar Road. Didn't see the service number as it just had 00 on the back; I could only assume it was on the 49 or 76 as they certainly don't turn up on the 6. good to see one back in Solihull, just a shame I didn't catch the no'.
Trident4370 did see 1413 on the 49 today, maybe it was that one?
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2385.msg75275#msg75275
1408 and 1450 visited Perry Barr sometime ago. Have they returned to YW? I don't see the 27 very often so have not had a chance to check.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on December 12, 2013, 08:06:15 PM
1408 and 1450 visited Perry Barr sometime ago. Have they returned to YW? I don't see the 27 very often so have not had a chance to check.
One didn't stay, just took the driver of the other back. The one that stayed had a couple of panels replaced. I didn't see it when I was last in PB, so I am pretty sure it is back
There was a lot of Enviro400s parked up today, At least 6 ex-Perry Barr ones scattered around, some on the pits and others parked up. Also at least 6 native ones, both branded and unbranded. 4799 was also parked up as well
In the canteen were pictures of 4158s accident, I do remember this one been mentioned. And 4148 was also de-roofed in a similar manner to 4234, on a tree while running rail replacement (this was obviously a few years ago now)
That explains why YW seem to be very short on deckers this week, 2 single 49s yesterday, at least 2 omnilinks on 2/3 today (not very unusual but still).
4799 was on the 76E this morning; rode it and then it went onto the 863 route. So it was in service just on a earlier board. And has my first toothpaste, 4728, on the 76E on Thursday; excellent buses and in very good condition. Final note is that 1924 has new wheel covers as they are pure silver!
Yeah 4799 was my 35 this morning so it's ok, 4718,4719,4725,4732 and 4799 all on 35 today so there are a few out today, still a trident on the 50 though.
4731 on 18 today, a strange sight given it's the first Colgate bus I've seen so close to home
The toothpaste Enviros are nice but for the noise from the front destination box covers.
Hope these get upgraded with the later style of fixings
4718 which I had this week has no rattles what so ever, one of the best enviro 400s I've had. I can see why one user is named after it. Frankly I rather they sorted out the Trident front box destination covers; absolutely useless.
tbh 4718 and 4719 are the 2 ex PB Enviros I have seen that seem to be consistently out everyday.
Quote from: Liberator9 on December 14, 2013, 06:49:16 PM
4718 which I had this week has no rattles what so ever, one of the best enviro 400s I've had. I can see why one user is named after it. Frankly I rather they sorted out the Trident front box destination covers; absolutely useless.
4718 was on the 6 yesterday spotted it in Solihull Town Centre while renewing my bus pass :) still seem strange seeing Toothpaste Enviros in Solihull
Quote from: trident4370 on December 14, 2013, 02:37:53 PM
Yeah 4799 was my 35 this morning so it's ok, 4718,4719,4725,4732 and 4799 all on 35 today so there are a few out today, still a trident on the 50 though.
4740 and 4386 also on the 35 today Joe
4386 was the trident I saw on the 50 so I am surprised that made it onto the 35.
Quote from: trident4370 on December 14, 2013, 09:11:59 PM
4386 was the trident I saw on the 50 so I am surprised that made it onto the 35.
Hmm, I think I am getting my numbers mixed up. It can be difficult recording everything I see by memory! I definitely saw a Trident on the 35, it may have been 4335? But can't remember.
Quote from: Liberator9 on December 14, 2013, 06:49:16 PM
4718 which I had this week has no rattles what so ever, one of the best enviro 400s I've had. I can see why one user is named after it. Frankly I rather they sorted out the Trident front box destination covers; absolutely useless.
that man has good taste ;)
Thanks ;)
The 49 was in a total shambles today, almost every other bus was an E or cut short, I had to transfer from the fantastic 4098 at the Maypole, this is definitely a route that if they have any sense will be split up, a nearly 2 hour route being run by ageing Presidents is just a recipe for trouble
Ditto the 11, I know AG run it but same thing applies.
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on December 17, 2013, 11:21:59 AM
The 49 was in a total shambles today, almost every other bus was an E or cut short, I had to transfer from the fantastic 4098 at the Maypole, this is definitely a route that if they have any sense will be split up, a nearly 2 hour route being run by ageing Presidents is just a recipe for trouble
Every other 49 is timetabled to be an 'E'
Quote from: Tony on December 17, 2013, 04:51:02 PM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on December 17, 2013, 11:21:59 AM
The 49 was in a total shambles today, almost every other bus was an E or cut short, I had to transfer from the fantastic 4098 at the Maypole, this is definitely a route that if they have any sense will be split up, a nearly 2 hour route being run by ageing Presidents is just a recipe for trouble
Every other 49 is timetabled to be an 'E'
To Cotteridge, not the Maypole. There is, however, one timetabled 'E' journey to the Maypole in the morning, timetabled to leave Solihull around 8:40 arriving around 9:10 at the Maypole. Does that fit with your journey, Matt?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 17, 2013, 05:00:25 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 17, 2013, 04:51:02 PM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on December 17, 2013, 11:21:59 AM
The 49 was in a total shambles today, almost every other bus was an E or cut short, I had to transfer from the fantastic 4098 at the Maypole, this is definitely a route that if they have any sense will be split up, a nearly 2 hour route being run by ageing Presidents is just a recipe for trouble
Every other 49 is timetabled to be an 'E'
To Cotteridge, not the Maypole. There is, however, one timetabled 'E' journey to the Maypole in the morning, timetabled to leave Solihull around 8:40 arriving around 9:10 at the Maypole. Does that fit with your journey, Matt?
But very few buses turned at the Maypole
Quote from: Tony on December 17, 2013, 05:08:17 PM
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Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on December 17, 2013, 11:21:59 AM
The 49 was in a total shambles today, almost every other bus was an E or cut short, I had to transfer from the fantastic 4098 at the Maypole, this is definitely a route that if they have any sense will be split up, a nearly 2 hour route being run by ageing Presidents is just a recipe for trouble
Every other 49 is timetabled to be an 'E'
To Cotteridge, not the Maypole. There is, however, one timetabled 'E' journey to the Maypole in the morning, timetabled to leave Solihull around 8:40 arriving around 9:10 at the Maypole. Does that fit with your journey, Matt?
But very few buses turned at the Maypole
No my journey was about 12 o'clock and yes thats why I'm arguing for the route to be split as it is half of the time anyway
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Quote from: Tony on December 17, 2013, 05:08:17 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 17, 2013, 05:00:25 PM
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Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on December 17, 2013, 11:21:59 AM
The 49 was in a total shambles today, almost every other bus was an E or cut short, I had to transfer from the fantastic 4098 at the Maypole, this is definitely a route that if they have any sense will be split up, a nearly 2 hour route being run by ageing Presidents is just a recipe for trouble
Every other 49 is timetabled to be an 'E'
To Cotteridge, not the Maypole. There is, however, one timetabled 'E' journey to the Maypole in the morning, timetabled to leave Solihull around 8:40 arriving around 9:10 at the Maypole. Does that fit with your journey, Matt?
But very few buses turned at the Maypole
No my journey was about 12 o'clock and yes thats why I'm arguing for the route to be split as it is half of the time anyway
Isn't it the South Birmingham/Solihull Network Review in a couple months? You would think something will be done about the 49
I use the 49 every weekday and apart from the slight blip have never had any trouble with it.
I've used the 49 endless numbers of times. No complaints with the route at all
I have had problems with it, the last time I caught it I waited 40 minutes for it (in Northfield). One service seemed to disappear. You would think any reliability issues would be down to the size of the route
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 17, 2013, 07:51:28 PM
Isn't it the South Birmingham/Solihull Network Review in a couple months? You would think something will be done about the 49
Yes, and the 49 was one of the routes under consultation.
Centro's proposal for the 49 is to split the route into 2 or 3 sections, with the preferred proposal seeming to be to curtail the 49 to Solihull to Frankley, and then extend the 29 to Rubery to cover the rest:
http://networkwestmidlands.com/web/FILES/PDFss/South-birmingham-and-solihull.pdf
Quote from: Stu on December 18, 2013, 06:19:50 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 17, 2013, 07:51:28 PM
Isn't it the South Birmingham/Solihull Network Review in a couple months? You would think something will be done about the 49
Yes, and the 49 was one of the routes under consultation.
Centro's proposal for the 49 is to split the route into 2 or 3 sections, with the preferred proposal seeming to be to curtail the 49 to Solihull to Frankley, and then extend the 29 to Rubery to cover the rest:
http://networkwestmidlands.com/web/FILES/PDFss/South-birmingham-and-solihull.pdf
They also mentioned that wherever they choose to split the route, passengers will be inconvenienced, which is true. The most logical terminus would be Frankley, although I'm not completely familiar with South Birmingham
I can't remember an issue when the 49 terminated at Royal Orthopaedic./Northfield.
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 18, 2013, 06:34:53 PM
Quote from: Stu on December 18, 2013, 06:19:50 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 17, 2013, 07:51:28 PM
Isn't it the South Birmingham/Solihull Network Review in a couple months? You would think something will be done about the 49
Yes, and the 49 was one of the routes under consultation.
Centro's proposal for the 49 is to split the route into 2 or 3 sections, with the preferred proposal seeming to be to curtail the 49 to Solihull to Frankley, and then extend the 29 to Rubery to cover the rest:
http://networkwestmidlands.com/web/FILES/PDFss/South-birmingham-and-solihull.pdf
They also mentioned that wherever they choose to split the route, passengers will be inconvenienced, which is true. The most logical terminus would be Frankley, although I'm not completely familiar with South Birmingham
I recall them only running to Frankley at one time. Soon changed them back to Northfield.
Quote from: settlerman on December 18, 2013, 07:26:27 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 18, 2013, 06:34:53 PM
Quote from: Stu on December 18, 2013, 06:19:50 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 17, 2013, 07:51:28 PM
Isn't it the South Birmingham/Solihull Network Review in a couple months? You would think something will be done about the 49
Yes, and the 49 was one of the routes under consultation.
Centro's proposal for the 49 is to split the route into 2 or 3 sections, with the preferred proposal seeming to be to curtail the 49 to Solihull to Frankley, and then extend the 29 to Rubery to cover the rest:
http://networkwestmidlands.com/web/FILES/PDFss/South-birmingham-and-solihull.pdf
They also mentioned that wherever they choose to split the route, passengers will be inconvenienced, which is true. The most logical terminus would be Frankley, although I'm not completely familiar with South Birmingham
I recall them only running to Frankley at one time. Soon changed them back to Northfield.
In the time I've been living over this way, I remember the 49 used to go to Northfield, and it was the 69 that went to Weoley Castle. From Solihull.
Quote from: settlerman on December 18, 2013, 07:26:27 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 18, 2013, 06:34:53 PM
Quote from: Stu on December 18, 2013, 06:19:50 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 17, 2013, 07:51:28 PM
Isn't it the South Birmingham/Solihull Network Review in a couple months? You would think something will be done about the 49
Yes, and the 49 was one of the routes under consultation.
Centro's proposal for the 49 is to split the route into 2 or 3 sections, with the preferred proposal seeming to be to curtail the 49 to Solihull to Frankley, and then extend the 29 to Rubery to cover the rest:
http://networkwestmidlands.com/web/FILES/PDFss/South-birmingham-and-solihull.pdf
They also mentioned that wherever they choose to split the route, passengers will be inconvenienced, which is true. The most logical terminus would be Frankley, although I'm not completely familiar with South Birmingham
I recall them only running to Frankley at one time. Soon changed them back to Northfield.
True. It was changed after masses of complaints from BRSouth residents only having the 63 to Northfield etc
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 18, 2013, 07:40:54 PM
Quote from: settlerman on December 18, 2013, 07:26:27 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 18, 2013, 06:34:53 PM
Quote from: Stu on December 18, 2013, 06:19:50 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 17, 2013, 07:51:28 PM
Isn't it the South Birmingham/Solihull Network Review in a couple months? You would think something will be done about the 49
Yes, and the 49 was one of the routes under consultation.
Centro's proposal for the 49 is to split the route into 2 or 3 sections, with the preferred proposal seeming to be to curtail the 49 to Solihull to Frankley, and then extend the 29 to Rubery to cover the rest:
http://networkwestmidlands.com/web/FILES/PDFss/South-birmingham-and-solihull.pdf
They also mentioned that wherever they choose to split the route, passengers will be inconvenienced, which is true. The most logical terminus would be Frankley, although I'm not completely familiar with South Birmingham
I recall them only running to Frankley at one time. Soon changed them back to Northfield.
True. It was changed after masses of complaints from BRSouth residents only having the 63 to Northfield etc
Isn't the 63 incredibly quicker to Northfield than the 49 though :o
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 18, 2013, 07:50:02 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 18, 2013, 07:40:54 PM
Quote from: settlerman on December 18, 2013, 07:26:27 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 18, 2013, 06:34:53 PM
Quote from: Stu on December 18, 2013, 06:19:50 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 17, 2013, 07:51:28 PM
Isn't it the South Birmingham/Solihull Network Review in a couple months? You would think something will be done about the 49
Yes, and the 49 was one of the routes under consultation.
Centro's proposal for the 49 is to split the route into 2 or 3 sections, with the preferred proposal seeming to be to curtail the 49 to Solihull to Frankley, and then extend the 29 to Rubery to cover the rest:
http://networkwestmidlands.com/web/FILES/PDFss/South-birmingham-and-solihull.pdf
They also mentioned that wherever they choose to split the route, passengers will be inconvenienced, which is true. The most logical terminus would be Frankley, although I'm not completely familiar with South Birmingham
I recall them only running to Frankley at one time. Soon changed them back to Northfield.
True. It was changed after masses of complaints from BRSouth residents only having the 63 to Northfield etc
Isn't the 63 incredibly quicker to Northfield than the 49 though :o
Well yes but there's other connections the 49 gives those residents! Not all people can get the 63 and other detials
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 18, 2013, 07:54:51 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 18, 2013, 07:50:02 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 18, 2013, 07:40:54 PM
Quote from: settlerman on December 18, 2013, 07:26:27 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 18, 2013, 06:34:53 PM
Quote from: Stu on December 18, 2013, 06:19:50 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 17, 2013, 07:51:28 PM
Isn't it the South Birmingham/Solihull Network Review in a couple months? You would think something will be done about the 49
Yes, and the 49 was one of the routes under consultation.
Centro's proposal for the 49 is to split the route into 2 or 3 sections, with the preferred proposal seeming to be to curtail the 49 to Solihull to Frankley, and then extend the 29 to Rubery to cover the rest:
http://networkwestmidlands.com/web/FILES/PDFss/South-birmingham-and-solihull.pdf
They also mentioned that wherever they choose to split the route, passengers will be inconvenienced, which is true. The most logical terminus would be Frankley, although I'm not completely familiar with South Birmingham
I recall them only running to Frankley at one time. Soon changed them back to Northfield.
True. It was changed after masses of complaints from BRSouth residents only having the 63 to Northfield etc
Isn't the 63 incredibly quicker to Northfield than the 49 though :o
Well yes but there's other connections the 49 gives those residents! Not all people can get the 63 and other detials
Fair enough, looking at the consultation. The most likely terminus for the 49 would be either Northfield, Frankley, Longbridge or Cotteridge (can't see the 49 being curtailed to Cotteridge)
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 18, 2013, 07:57:33 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 18, 2013, 07:54:51 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 18, 2013, 07:50:02 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 18, 2013, 07:40:54 PM
Quote from: settlerman on December 18, 2013, 07:26:27 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 18, 2013, 06:34:53 PM
Quote from: Stu on December 18, 2013, 06:19:50 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 17, 2013, 07:51:28 PM
Isn't it the South Birmingham/Solihull Network Review in a couple months? You would think something will be done about the 49
Yes, and the 49 was one of the routes under consultation.
Centro's proposal for the 49 is to split the route into 2 or 3 sections, with the preferred proposal seeming to be to curtail the 49 to Solihull to Frankley, and then extend the 29 to Rubery to cover the rest:
http://networkwestmidlands.com/web/FILES/PDFss/South-birmingham-and-solihull.pdf
They also mentioned that wherever they choose to split the route, passengers will be inconvenienced, which is true. The most logical terminus would be Frankley, although I'm not completely familiar with South Birmingham
I recall them only running to Frankley at one time. Soon changed them back to Northfield.
True. It was changed after masses of complaints from BRSouth residents only having the 63 to Northfield etc
Isn't the 63 incredibly quicker to Northfield than the 49 though :o
Well yes but there's other connections the 49 gives those residents! Not all people can get the 63 and other detials
Fair enough, looking at the consultation. The most likely terminus for the 49 would be either Northfield, Frankley, Longbridge or Cotteridge (can't see the 49 being curtailed to Cotteridge)
49 Solihull - Cotteridge
48 (or what ever none conflicting route number) Cotteridge - Royal Orthopaedic Hospital/Northfield
Then the usual waffle reference Great Park servings and 29A extension / 29 etc
Saw a Trident on both the 35 & 50 at the same time on Moor Street. Where are the Enviros?
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 20, 2013, 07:35:23 PM
Saw a Trident on both the 35 & 50 at the same time on Moor Street. Where are the Enviros?
The 35 is still having at least 4 tridents a day, or has been this week at least. I think Tony mentioned that so many (5?) were Off the Road with defects, or as I like to call it PBs Crap Maintenance.
Quote from: trident4370 on December 20, 2013, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 20, 2013, 07:35:23 PM
Saw a Trident on both the 35 & 50 at the same time on Moor Street. Where are the Enviros?
The 35 is still having at least 4 tridents a day, or has been this week at least. I think Tony mentioned that so many (5?) were Off the Road with defects/PBs Crap Maintenance.
I have not said anything about Perry Barr's maintenance
Quote from: Tony on December 20, 2013, 07:40:37 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on December 20, 2013, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 20, 2013, 07:35:23 PM
Saw a Trident on both the 35 & 50 at the same time on Moor Street. Where are the Enviros?
The 35 is still having at least 4 tridents a day, or has been this week at least. I think Tony mentioned that so many (5?) were Off the Road with defects/PBs Crap Maintenance.
I have not said anything about Perry Barr's maintenance
I have no idea. I don't read
every post.
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 20, 2013, 07:41:50 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 20, 2013, 07:40:37 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on December 20, 2013, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 20, 2013, 07:35:23 PM
Saw a Trident on both the 35 & 50 at the same time on Moor Street. Where are the Enviros?
The 35 is still having at least 4 tridents a day, or has been this week at least. I think Tony mentioned that so many (5?) were Off the Road with defects/PBs Crap Maintenance.
I have not said anything about Perry Barr's maintenance
I have no idea. I don't read every post.
So why accuse me of critisising fellow employees? I posted the fact that when I went into YW there was a high proportion of them inside the garage VoR nothing else.
Surely it is just that they are unrefurbed 6 year old buses that have been thrashed up and down the expressway as opposed to PBs maintenance. They seem to have some of the smartest best maintained buses in the fleet
Quote from: Tony on December 20, 2013, 07:44:30 PM
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Quote from: Tony on December 20, 2013, 07:40:37 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on December 20, 2013, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 20, 2013, 07:35:23 PM
Saw a Trident on both the 35 & 50 at the same time on Moor Street. Where are the Enviros?
The 35 is still having at least 4 tridents a day, or has been this week at least. I think Tony mentioned that so many (5?) were Off the Road with defects/PBs Crap Maintenance.
I have not said anything about Perry Barr's maintenance
I have no idea. I don't read every post.
So why accuse me of critisising fellow employees? I posted the fact that when I went into YW there was a high proportion of them inside the garage VoR nothing else.
Sorry? What? I was merely asking where the Enviros were. I didn't see that post, because, like I just said, I don't read every post
Tony, Are you getting Trident 4370's and Shauns posts mixed up as i can't see any evidence of Shaun accusing you of anything?
Quote from: Nathan on December 20, 2013, 07:49:41 PM
Tony, Are you getting Trident 4370's and Shauns posts mixed up as i can't see any evidence of Shaun accusing you of anything?
Yes, sorry SH4166, it is my mistake, it is Trident4370 who accused me of critisising PB maintenance, it is just you that quoted my comment saying I didn't.
Has 4312 transfered to Wolverhampton Garage or has anyone saw it still in service at YW?
Quote from: Nathan on December 20, 2013, 08:00:45 PM
Has 4312 transfered to Wolverhampton Garage or has anyone saw it still in service at YW?
The last time I saw 4312 at YW was on the 18th Nov haven't seen it since then :)
Still at YW; rode on it this Thursday on the 76. Hope it does move as not in the best of conditions as some of the other tridents.
I didn't mean that you said it Tony, that was my own observation added on. The ones that went to Walsall were off the road for several weeks too after arriving, merely putting 2+2 together. Sorry, I should have made that a bit clearer, the crap maintenance comment was my own opinion, Not Tony's .
Quote from: Liberator9 on December 20, 2013, 08:05:58 PM
Still at YW; rode on it this Thursday on the 76. Hope it does move as not in the best of conditions as some of the other tridents.
I've been told 4312 will be put into the paintshop when it transfers to WN
4312 still at Yardley Wood on the 2 today
3225 was looking festive parked in Cotteridge this afternoon, decked out with tinsel and Santa standing behind
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=666917630024977&set=a.407401772643232.111602.217353058314772&type=1&theater
As if there weren't enough Enviros off the road...
Quote from: trident4370 on December 23, 2013, 07:35:24 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=666917630024977&set=a.407401772643232.111602.217353058314772&type=1&theater
As if there weren't enough Enviros off the road...
That's a toothpaste isn't it?
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2013, 07:39:21 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on December 23, 2013, 07:35:24 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=666917630024977&set=a.407401772643232.111602.217353058314772&type=1&theater
As if there weren't enough Enviros off the road...
That's a toothpaste isn't it?
Yes it is Matt :)
Quote from: Matt on December 23, 2013, 07:39:21 PM
That's a toothpaste isn't it?
Yes it is, but there is no way of identifying the bus involved rom that pic
4312 on the 3s today. So probably won't moving until after Christmas
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 23, 2013, 10:49:44 PM
4312 on the 3s today. So probably won't moving until after Christmas
Might 4312 stop a bit longer now they have bent a toothpaste Enviro?
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Quote from: Sh4318 on December 23, 2013, 10:49:44 PM
4312 on the 3s today. So probably won't moving until after Christmas
Might 4312 stop a bit longer now they have bent a toothpaste Enviro?
May stop at YW till after christmas. But will transfer to Park Lane when normal weeday service/PVR's pick back up
4727 just got towed into Carlyle Bus and Coach
Quote from: FireballXL5 on December 24, 2013, 11:50:54 AM
4727 just got towed into Carlyle Bus and Coach
4727 must be the Enviro that was involved in the RTC in Kings Heath by the looks of it
Are all of 4718-4732 at YW now? My records show 12 of the 15 have moved but I suspect I'm a bit out of date!
John
Quote from: John Stait on December 31, 2013, 01:54:38 PM
Are all of 4718-4732 at YW now? My records show 12 of the 15 have moved but I suspect I'm a bit out of date!
John
I do believe they have all transferred over now as all of the New Enviro400s are in service at Perry Barr.
I have not seen any still old Enviro400s at Perry Barr for at least a week now
Quote from: John on December 31, 2013, 02:26:26 PM
Quote from: John Stait on December 31, 2013, 01:54:38 PM
Are all of 4718-4732 at YW now? My records show 12 of the 15 have moved but I suspect I'm a bit out of date!
John
I do believe they have all transferred over now as all of the New Enviro400s are in service at Perry Barr.
I have not seen any still old Enviro400s at Perry Barr for at least a week now
Except 4698 - that is staying, isn't it?
Quote from: Matt on December 31, 2013, 02:28:55 PM
Except 4698 - that is staying, isn't it?
I think it is yes Matt
I wonder what the chances are of YW obtaining 9 additional Scania Omnilinks to replace the B10Ls on the 27? I assume that would be the plan so as to standardise vehicle types, unless it's planned to convert the 6 back to double decks at some point?
John
Having witnessed some of the recent loadings on evening 6 journeys out of city, this route could well benefit from double-decker operation, but unfortunately you have to weigh up the costs of additional anti-social behaviour that results from having double decks.
Depending on what new vehicles are purchased in 2014, there could be further rotation of the fleet; as it is unlikely that any more Scania Omnilinks will be purchased, and as at present only Acocks Green, Perry Barr, Walsall and Yardley Wood operate them, is it not possible that they could be consolidated at three garages instead of four?
Quote from: Stu on December 31, 2013, 07:59:19 PM
Having witnessed some of the recent loadings on evening 6 journeys out of city, this route could well benefit from double-decker operation, but unfortunately you have to weigh up the costs of additional anti-social behaviour that results from having double decks.
Depending on what new vehicles are purchased in 2014, there could be further rotation of the fleet; as it is unlikely that any more Scania Omnilinks will be purchased, and as at present only Acocks Green, Perry Barr, Walsall and Yardley Wood operate them, is it not possible that they could be consolidated at three garages instead of four?
And Bordesley Green ;)
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 31, 2013, 08:18:46 PM
Quote from: Stu on December 31, 2013, 07:59:19 PM
Having witnessed some of the recent loadings on evening 6 journeys out of city, this route could well benefit from double-decker operation, but unfortunately you have to weigh up the costs of additional anti-social behaviour that results from having double decks.
Depending on what new vehicles are purchased in 2014, there could be further rotation of the fleet; as it is unlikely that any more Scania Omnilinks will be purchased, and as at present only Acocks Green, Perry Barr, Walsall and Yardley Wood operate them, is it not possible that they could be consolidated at three garages instead of four?
And Bordesley Green ;)
Thanks, there's always one I forget! :-[ But I let myself off as that's the only type operated there anyway. ;)
I think the 6 would too benefit from double deckers but no doubt anti social behaviour will go up. I'd like (probably one of the few to ever say this) some more Scanias in the fleet. They look stylish, from what I've seen and heard reliable and the interiors are fine although they're a little dark in appearance. They're my favourite single deckers now in the fleet apart from the 56 reg Wright Eclipses.
Quote from: Liberator9 on January 10, 2014, 04:22:44 PM
I think the 6 would too benefit from double deckers but no doubt anti social behaviour will go up. I'd like (probably one of the few to ever say this) some more Scanias in the fleet. They look stylish, from what I've seen and heard reliable and the interiors are fine although they're a little dark in appearance. They're my favourite single deckers now in the fleet apart from the 56 reg Wright Eclipses.
The back row of seats are pretty high on the Omnilinks with reduced headroom
Yeah, that's the downside of them. I've already banged my head near the back on them getting up to get off the bus; that's why I prefer the older 56 reg Wrights.
Quote from: Liberator9 on January 10, 2014, 04:22:44 PM
I think the 6 would too benefit from double deckers but no doubt anti social behaviour will go up. I'd like (probably one of the few to ever say this) some more Scanias in the fleet. They look stylish, from what I've seen and heard reliable and the interiors are fine although they're a little dark in appearance. They're my favourite single deckers now in the fleet apart from the 56 reg Wright Eclipses.
Have to agree, I quite like the Scanias now, but I do avoid sitting near the rear.
However I feel it is unlikely that NX will be buying any more Scania buses. If WA or PB were to receive any new single decks, it could free up some Scanias to transfer to YW to replace the remaining few B10Ls there.
I easily prefer the Scanias over the new volvo lumps, only downside to both is a lack of legroom which if your legs are aslong as mine makes for a crap ride unless your by the emergency exit! I do miss the 56 reg b7rle though I have to say! As for the 6 I think it should just stay as it is, yes some journeys are cramped but the overall improvement to the journey is worth it.
Quote from: trident4370 on January 10, 2014, 06:23:01 PM
As for the 6 I think it should just stay as it is, yes some journeys are cramped but the overall improvement to the journey is worth it.
At peak times, there does seem to be more Tridents on the 6 lately. Which shows good effective planning and foresight; the route doesn't need double decks all day, but at least they're being used at times when they're most needed. And same goes for the 37 too, which for some time has seen Geminis put out on the peak-time extra workings to ease capacity.
Quote from: Stu on January 10, 2014, 07:39:10 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on January 10, 2014, 06:23:01 PM
As for the 6 I think it should just stay as it is, yes some journeys are cramped but the overall improvement to the journey is worth it.
At peak times, there does seem to be more Tridents on the 6 lately. Which shows good effective planning and foresight; the route doesn't need double decks all day, but at least they're being used at times when they're most needed. And same goes for the 37 too, which for some time has seen Geminis put out on the peak-time extra workings to ease capacity.
Yes I have also noticed more deckers at peaks, goes to show people are keeping an eye on the situation.
7026 0n 6, is it a transfer or a loan?
Quote from: filbus1 on January 13, 2014, 11:43:42 AM
7026 0n 6, is it a transfer or a loan?
I'd say its a Loan don't think it'll be a transfer :)
Quote from: Rob H on January 13, 2014, 01:28:27 PM
Quote from: filbus1 on January 13, 2014, 11:43:42 AM
7026 0n 6, is it a transfer or a loan?
I'd say its a Loan don't think it'll be a transfer :)
There are 8 ex Dundee Omnilinks at PB 7026-7033 and YW have 9 x B10L that will need replacing. It is was a transfer to YW, I don't know what would replace them at PB
Given the amount of omnilinks that appear on the 27 anyway, I would think YW could manage with 8 replacing 9, assuming it is a case of unreliable B10L. Worst case scenario the 84 could go decker again to free up the extra single if it was needed that badly? I am just struggling to think of what would replace them at PB, that more than anything makes me think it is just a loan now but maybe when the time comes...
Quote from: trident4370 on January 13, 2014, 07:03:58 PM
Given the amount of omnilinks that appear on the 27 anyway, I would think YW could manage with 8 replacing 9, assuming it is a case of unreliable B10L. Worst case scenario the 84 could go decker again to free up the extra single if it was needed that badly? I am just struggling to think of what would replace them at PB, that more than anything makes me think it is just a loan now but maybe when the time comes...
If the remaining ex-Dundee OmniLinks did leave Perry Barr, then that would leave 28 OmniLinks left for the 28, 66, 66A and 952. The 46 is seeing more deckers now, and the 952 can also operate with deckers, so only the 28, 66 and 66A needs them due to low bridges in Erdington
So is 28 OmniLinks enough to operate the 28, 66 and 66A?
Quote from: John on January 13, 2014, 07:09:13 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on January 13, 2014, 07:03:58 PM
Given the amount of omnilinks that appear on the 27 anyway, I would think YW could manage with 8 replacing 9, assuming it is a case of unreliable B10L. Worst case scenario the 84 could go decker again to free up the extra single if it was needed that badly? I am just struggling to think of what would replace them at PB, that more than anything makes me think it is just a loan now but maybe when the time comes...
If the remaining ex-Dundee OmniLinks did leave Perry Barr, then that would leave 28 OmniLinks left for the 28, 66, 66A and 952. The 46 is seeing more deckers now, and the 952 can also operate with deckers, so only the 28, 66 and 66A needs them due to low bridges in Erdington
So is 28 OmniLinks enough to operate the 28, 66 and 66A?
I wouldn't really know, I lost track of the 66 and 66A after the last changes! One other idea I have had, is that Walsall may get a batch of new single deckers to see off their last B10s, maybe they might get a few more to upgrade the 301 again, which could free up some more scanias for the Brum based garages? All purely guesswork.
Quote from: trident4370 on January 13, 2014, 07:22:13 PM
Quote from: John on January 13, 2014, 07:09:13 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on January 13, 2014, 07:03:58 PM
Given the amount of omnilinks that appear on the 27 anyway, I would think YW could manage with 8 replacing 9, assuming it is a case of unreliable B10L. Worst case scenario the 84 could go decker again to free up the extra single if it was needed that badly? I am just struggling to think of what would replace them at PB, that more than anything makes me think it is just a loan now but maybe when the time comes...
If the remaining ex-Dundee OmniLinks did leave Perry Barr, then that would leave 28 OmniLinks left for the 28, 66, 66A and 952. The 46 is seeing more deckers now, and the 952 can also operate with deckers, so only the 28, 66 and 66A needs them due to low bridges in Erdington
So is 28 OmniLinks enough to operate the 28, 66 and 66A?
I wouldn't really know, I lost track of the 66 and 66A after the last changes! One other idea I have had, is that Walsall may get a batch of new single deckers to see off their last B10s, maybe they might get a few more to upgrade the 301 again, which could free up some more scanias for the Brum based garages? All purely guesswork.
No idea on 28 x Omnilinks for PB's single decker routes, you'll be able to tell us soon John ;-)
Don't forget WA also have B6LE's which can't be far off due for replacement as well as the B10L's
Wouln't PB be short of buses if the remaining ex dundee omnilinks transfered out?
Depends how many toothpaste enviros left when the new ones came in
Quote from: Kevin on January 13, 2014, 08:59:19 PM
Depends how many toothpaste enviros left when the new ones came in
Wasn't it as follows:
15 x E400 to YW (4718-4732)
4 x ALX400 to WB (4234 & 4247, 4249 & 4250)
5 x Omnilink to AG (7021-7025)
26 new E400's in & 24 buses cascaded out? There could be another 2/3 available to cascade around, 7026 could be the first of the next moves?
4390 towed into Perry Barr this morning, front end RTA damage. Looks like it ran into a road sign
Quote from: John on January 20, 2014, 04:08:22 PM
4390 towed into Perry Barr this morning, front end RTA damage. Looks like it ran into a road sign
Involved in an RTC at Solihull Station on Friday, no road sign invovled!
Quote from: Tony on January 20, 2014, 06:13:24 PM
Quote from: John on January 20, 2014, 04:08:22 PM
4390 towed into Perry Barr this morning, front end RTA damage. Looks like it ran into a road sign
Involved in an RTC at Solihull Station on Friday, no road sign invovled!
Ah right. The damage looked like it had hit a post
There's a report on the WMBus yahoo group suggesting that PB's Omnilink 1840 has also been seen in service at YW in addition to 7026,
Has anyone confirm?
Quote from: Winston on January 21, 2014, 11:06:09 PM
There's a report on the WMBus yahoo group suggesting that PB's Omnilink 1840 has also been seen in service at YW in addition to 7026,
Has anyone confirm?
That would be interesting if 1840 transfered to YW. I would be totally out of sync with the other fleetnumbers. I would have thought I another Omnilink transfered to YW it would be another 702*. If 1840 was in service at YW, Maybe it was just a loan?
Quote from: Nathan on January 21, 2014, 11:08:58 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 21, 2014, 11:06:09 PM
There's a report on the WMBus yahoo group suggesting that PB's Omnilink 1840 has also been seen in service at YW in addition to 7026,
Has anyone confirm?
That would be interesting if 1840 transfered to YW. I would be totally out of sync with the other fleetnumbers. I would have thought I another Omnilink transfered to YW it would be another 702*. If 1840 was in service at YW, Maybe it was just a loan?
1840 & 7026 both may be loans yet.
Or 1838-1843 could all potentially leave PB in the future leaving leather seated 1844-1847 at PB
Quote from: Winston on January 21, 2014, 11:13:54 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 21, 2014, 11:08:58 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 21, 2014, 11:06:09 PM
There's a report on the WMBus yahoo group suggesting that PB's Omnilink 1840 has also been seen in service at YW in addition to 7026,
Has anyone confirm?
That would be interesting if 1840 transfered to YW. I would be totally out of sync with the other fleetnumbers. I would have thought I another Omnilink transfered to YW it would be another 702*. If 1840 was in service at YW, Maybe it was just a loan?
1840 & 7026 both may be loans yet.
Or 1838-1843 could all potentially leave PB in the future leaving leather seated 1844-1847 at PB
1840 was in Perry Barr garage today, so must have been a loan. Have not seen 7026
Quote from: John on January 22, 2014, 04:27:07 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 21, 2014, 11:13:54 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 21, 2014, 11:08:58 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 21, 2014, 11:06:09 PM
There's a report on the WMBus yahoo group suggesting that PB's Omnilink 1840 has also been seen in service at YW in addition to 7026,
Has anyone confirm?
That would be interesting if 1840 transfered to YW. I would be totally out of sync with the other fleetnumbers. I would have thought I another Omnilink transfered to YW it would be another 702*. If 1840 was in service at YW, Maybe it was just a loan?
1840 & 7026 both may be loans yet.
Or 1838-1843 could all potentially leave PB in the future leaving leather seated 1844-1847 at PB
1840 was in Perry Barr garage today, so must have been a loan. Have not seen 7026
Thanks for the confirmation John
Quote from: Winston on January 22, 2014, 04:40:21 PM
Quote from: John on January 22, 2014, 04:27:07 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 21, 2014, 11:13:54 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 21, 2014, 11:08:58 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 21, 2014, 11:06:09 PM
There's a report on the WMBus yahoo group suggesting that PB's Omnilink 1840 has also been seen in service at YW in addition to 7026,
Has anyone confirm?
That would be interesting if 1840 transfered to YW. I would be totally out of sync with the other fleetnumbers. I would have thought I another Omnilink transfered to YW it would be another 702*. If 1840 was in service at YW, Maybe it was just a loan?
1840 & 7026 both may be loans yet.
Or 1838-1843 could all potentially leave PB in the future leaving leather seated 1844-1847 at PB
1840 was in Perry Barr garage today, so must have been a loan. Have not seen 7026
Thanks for the confirmation John
No problem :D I only noticed it was 1840 because it was parked over the pits next to 1841.
I will have a look out for 7026 is it is about the garage tomorrow, and if I remember to!
Quote from: John on January 22, 2014, 04:47:36 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 22, 2014, 04:40:21 PM
Quote from: John on January 22, 2014, 04:27:07 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 21, 2014, 11:13:54 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 21, 2014, 11:08:58 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 21, 2014, 11:06:09 PM
There's a report on the WMBus yahoo group suggesting that PB's Omnilink 1840 has also been seen in service at YW in addition to 7026,
Has anyone confirm?
That would be interesting if 1840 transfered to YW. I would be totally out of sync with the other fleetnumbers. I would have thought I another Omnilink transfered to YW it would be another 702*. If 1840 was in service at YW, Maybe it was just a loan?
1840 & 7026 both may be loans yet.
Or 1838-1843 could all potentially leave PB in the future leaving leather seated 1844-1847 at PB
1840 was in Perry Barr garage today, so must have been a loan. Have not seen 7026
Thanks for the confirmation John
No problem :D I only noticed it was 1840 because it was parked over the pits next to 1841.
I will have a look out for 7026 is it is about the garage tomorrow, and if I remember to!
I have just photographed 7026 on the 6, will be on the main site tonight
Quote from: Tony on January 22, 2014, 07:34:21 PM
Quote from: John on January 22, 2014, 04:47:36 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 22, 2014, 04:40:21 PM
Quote from: John on January 22, 2014, 04:27:07 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 21, 2014, 11:13:54 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 21, 2014, 11:08:58 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 21, 2014, 11:06:09 PM
There's a report on the WMBus yahoo group suggesting that PB's Omnilink 1840 has also been seen in service at YW in addition to 7026,
Has anyone confirm?
That would be interesting if 1840 transfered to YW. I would be totally out of sync with the other fleetnumbers. I would have thought I another Omnilink transfered to YW it would be another 702*. If 1840 was in service at YW, Maybe it was just a loan?
1840 & 7026 both may be loans yet.
Or 1838-1843 could all potentially leave PB in the future leaving leather seated 1844-1847 at PB
1840 was in Perry Barr garage today, so must have been a loan. Have not seen 7026
Thanks for the confirmation John
No problem :D I only noticed it was 1840 because it was parked over the pits next to 1841.
I will have a look out for 7026 is it is about the garage tomorrow, and if I remember to!
I have just photographed 7026 on the 6, will be on the main site tonight
7026 has been at YW for more than week now, which suggests it could now be a transfer
7026 out on the 6 again today.
It must just be a loan; with the recent preference for keeping fleetnumbers in sequence, if 7026 was a transfer, would it not have gone to AG to join 7019-7025, with AG's 1931 (being unbranded) going to YW to join 1909-1930 ;)
4799 was on the 2 today
Someone reported recently an increased number of Omnilinks on the 35, which would tie in with my own observations recently of more double-decks (Tridents and E400s) appearing on the 6 at peak times.
7026 still at Yardley Wood, on the 3 today
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/12135138685/
Do we know by now if it is just on loan or a transfer?
E400s 4723 and 4739 out on 49 this evening.
4738 was also on the 6
Quote from: trident4370 on January 25, 2014, 08:43:02 PM
4738 was also on the 6
The only decker I saw on the 6 today. I was hoping there would be a 'Toothpaste' Enviro400 on the 6 today, but no.....
Quote from: John on January 25, 2014, 04:03:02 PM
7026 still at Yardley Wood, on the 3 today
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/12135138685/
Do we know by now if it is just on loan or a transfer?
I would imagine it is a transfer given how long it has been at YW
Quote from: Nathan on January 25, 2014, 08:48:30 PM
Quote from: John on January 25, 2014, 04:03:02 PM
7026 still at Yardley Wood, on the 3 today
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/12135138685/
Do we know by now if it is just on loan or a transfer?
I would imagine it is a transfer given how long it has been at YW
It does seem more likely now (also as 1840 is back at Perry Barr). We will find out next weekend anyway :D
Quote from: John on January 25, 2014, 08:45:58 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on January 25, 2014, 08:43:02 PM
4738 was also on the 6
The only decker I saw on the 6 today. I was hoping there would be a 'Toothpaste' Enviro400 on the 6 today, but no.....
This last couple of days they've been sticking to the 49 for some reason, 4721 was on the full 49 yesterday. I've also seen 2 presidents on the 76 this week which is unusual.
Quote from: trident4370 on January 25, 2014, 08:51:46 PM
Quote from: John on January 25, 2014, 08:45:58 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on January 25, 2014, 08:43:02 PM
4738 was also on the 6
The only decker I saw on the 6 today. I was hoping there would be a 'Toothpaste' Enviro400 on the 6 today, but no.....
This last couple of days they've been sticking to the 49 for some reason, 4721 was on the full 49 yesterday. I've also seen 2 presidents on the 76 this week which is unusual.
I was hoping to see and get a pic of at least 1 'Toothpaste' Enviro400 in Solihull, but all of the 49s I saw were Trident's, as well as the 76s. I didn't even see a President on the 49
Quote from: John on January 25, 2014, 08:59:36 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on January 25, 2014, 08:51:46 PM
Quote from: John on January 25, 2014, 08:45:58 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on January 25, 2014, 08:43:02 PM
4738 was also on the 6
The only decker I saw on the 6 today. I was hoping there would be a 'Toothpaste' Enviro400 on the 6 today, but no.....
This last couple of days they've been sticking to the 49 for some reason, 4721 was on the full 49 yesterday. I've also seen 2 presidents on the 76 this week which is unusual.
I was hoping to see and get a pic of at least 1 'Toothpaste' Enviro400 in Solihull, but all of the 49s I saw were Trident's, as well as the 76s. I didn't even see a President on the 49
Aww it sounds like you're not having much luck! :(
Quote from: trident4370 on January 25, 2014, 09:02:53 PM
Quote from: John on January 25, 2014, 08:59:36 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on January 25, 2014, 08:51:46 PM
Quote from: John on January 25, 2014, 08:45:58 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on January 25, 2014, 08:43:02 PM
4738 was also on the 6
The only decker I saw on the 6 today. I was hoping there would be a 'Toothpaste' Enviro400 on the 6 today, but no.....
This last couple of days they've been sticking to the 49 for some reason, 4721 was on the full 49 yesterday. I've also seen 2 presidents on the 76 this week which is unusual.
I was hoping to see and get a pic of at least 1 'Toothpaste' Enviro400 in Solihull, but all of the 49s I saw were Trident's, as well as the 76s. I didn't even see a President on the 49
Aww it sounds like you're not having much luck! :(
I did not have much luck in Solihull :( Apart from that, I didn't have a bad day. finally found 4111 and also got a pic of 7026 without even trying
I've still not even seen 7026 at YW, I don't think it's been on the 27 yet but who knows maybe this week I'll get lucky!
Had ride on 4718 on 50 and it still seems one of the best,no rattles or odd noises. YW appear to be looking after it. 4729 in Kings Heath on 35. How long has this been in the latest livery?
Quote from: filbus1 on January 27, 2014, 06:34:57 PM
Had ride on 4718 on 50 and it still seems one of the best,no rattles or odd noises. YW appear to be looking after it. 4729 in Kings Heath on 35. How long has this been in the latest livery?
In a recently filmed video on Youtube, it was making a dodgy whistling/screeching noise each time it pulled off. Has this been fixed?
4718 no odd noises? It is the screechiest Enviro of the lot! That isn't a bad thing though I would rate it as the best one out of the toothpaste batch, rattle free, powerful and tuneful!
Re filbus1
4729 was refurbished during December and returning to service early in January
Quote from: Matt on January 27, 2014, 06:37:12 PM
Quote from: filbus1 on January 27, 2014, 06:34:57 PM
Had ride on 4718 on 50 and it still seems one of the best,no rattles or odd noises. YW appear to be looking after it. 4729 in Kings Heath on 35. How long has this been in the latest livery?
In a recently filmed video on Youtube, it was making a dodgy whistling/screeching noise each time it pulled off. Has this been fixed?
Sorry, I should have made it clear I was referring to the bodywork on 4718 being very good. It does still have a sound like air leaking when pulling off but if it has had it for a long time it obviously is not a problem or it would have been sorted. I have worked and travelled on buses for 50+ years and know there are many buses with their own little quirks. 4718 is no exception.
Thanks for clarifying Filbus, I personally wasn't having a go I just thought you might have got the fleetnumber wrong!
In an unrelated matter I saw 7026 this morning for the first time on the 6 so Is it now safe to assume it is a permanent transfer, I should imagine we will know for definite next week when the fleet changes are published but in the meantime are we all saying it is a transfer now or is it still a possible loan?
Quote from: trident4370 on January 28, 2014, 08:23:26 PM
Thanks for clarifying Filbus, I personally wasn't having a go I just thought you might have got the fleetnumber wrong!
In an unrelated matter I saw 7026 this morning for the first time on the 6 so Is it now safe to assume it is a permanent transfer, I should imagine we will know for definite next week when the fleet changes are published but in the meantime are we all saying it is a transfer now or is it still a possible loan?
Well as you say we won't know until the fleet changes are published but it seems likely that its a transfer
Sadly I think you may be right, assuming it is the first of a few, I guess it could soon be bye bye B10s at YW :(
Quote from: trident4370 on January 28, 2014, 08:29:17 PM
Sadly I think you may be right, assuming it is the first of a few, I guess it could soon be bye bye B10s at YW :(
Luckily I still get them over here on the 69 but I also imagine time is running out for the B10's at YW and WA :(
Quote from: Nathan on January 28, 2014, 08:30:44 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on January 28, 2014, 08:29:17 PM
Sadly I think you may be right, assuming it is the first of a few, I guess it could soon be bye bye B10s at YW :(
Luckily I still get them over here on the 69 but I also imagine time is running out for the B10's at YW and WA :(
1430 being the main one ;) All I can say is, I will really miss them when they are gone.
Quote from: trident4370 on January 28, 2014, 08:32:13 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 28, 2014, 08:30:44 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on January 28, 2014, 08:29:17 PM
Sadly I think you may be right, assuming it is the first of a few, I guess it could soon be bye bye B10s at YW :(
Luckily I still get them over here on the 69 but I also imagine time is running out for the B10's at YW and WA :(
1430 being the main one ;) All I can say is, I will really miss them when they are gone.
Same here Joe I miss them being on the 71 & 72.
Quote from: Nathan on January 28, 2014, 08:30:44 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on January 28, 2014, 08:29:17 PM
Sadly I think you may be right, assuming it is the first of a few, I guess it could soon be bye bye B10s at YW :(
Luckily I still get them over here on the 69 but I also imagine time is running out for the B10's at YW and WA :(
I'll miss the B10s when they are gone. 😔 I still travel on the B10 on 27 (as well as on WA39 and WA69). I'm surprised the B10s are determined to continue working in 2014 - I didn't think they would see 2014. I'll have to make the most of it before they are gone for good.
Quote from: Rob H on January 28, 2014, 08:33:22 PM
Same here Joe I miss them being on the 71 & 72.
Truth be told Rob, I haven't even bothered with the NXWM 71 or 72 since they left :(
Quote from: P419 EJW on January 28, 2014, 08:35:38 PM
I'll miss the B10s when they are gone. 😔 I still travel on the B10 on 27 (as well as on WA39 and WA69). I'm surprised the B10s are determined to continue working in 2014 - I didn't think they would see 2014. I'll have to make the most of it before they are gone for good.
I still give the 27 a bash sometimes, it helps my route shares a terminus so I can just hop off one and onto another whenever the mood takes me. They have done very well for their age really as have the B6s that everyone loves to hate!
Quote from: trident4370 on January 28, 2014, 08:40:40 PM
Quote from: Rob H on January 28, 2014, 08:33:22 PM
Same here Joe I miss them being on the 71 & 72.
Truth be told Rob, I haven't even bothered with the NXWM 71 or 72 since they left :(
Same :) I only get the 71 or 72 if I really need to I mainly get the 70, 73 or 957 into Solihull from Sheldon in case a Trident shows up on the 957 ;)
Quote from: Rob H on January 28, 2014, 08:44:27 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on January 28, 2014, 08:40:40 PM
Quote from: Rob H on January 28, 2014, 08:33:22 PM
Same here Joe I miss them being on the 71 & 72.
Truth be told Rob, I haven't even bothered with the NXWM 71 or 72 since they left :(
Same :) I only get the 71 or 72 if I really need to I mainly get the 70, 73 or 957 into Solihull from Sheldon in case a Trident shows up on the 957 ;)
If I really NEED to, I'll just get Claribels, at least I know a voith will turn up!
I would hate to live on the 71/2 routes or WA 4/H/M,301 or 311/3 as. Can't stand the Omnilinks!
Quote from: Nathan on January 28, 2014, 08:48:07 PM
I would hate to live on the 71/2 routes or WA 4/H/M,301 or 311/3 as. Can't stand the Omnilinks!
Think a lot of people think that way, remember the depot visit when people got on the B7RLE instead of an Omnilump. :)
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 28, 2014, 08:49:57 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 28, 2014, 08:48:07 PM
I would hate to live on the 71/2 routes or WA 4/H/M,301 or 311/3 as. Can't stand the Omnilinks!
Think a lot of people think that way, remember the depot visit when people got on the B7RLE instead of an Omnilump. :)
Good thing it was an older B7RLE or they would have probably just walked instead ;D
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 28, 2014, 08:49:57 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 28, 2014, 08:48:07 PM
I would hate to live on the 71/2 routes or WA 4/H/M,301 or 311/3 as. Can't stand the Omnilinks!
Think a lot of people think that way, remember the depot visit when people got on the B7RLE instead of an Omnilump. :)
Yes indeed. Luckily I get Spectra's and Tridents on the 59 (Prefer the Spectra) and B7's on the 89 (B6's on 28 and B10's on the 69 pass near my house too) so no Omnilinks (I avoid them if they do 89's)
Anyway back on topic;) Are there anymore YW E400's being Rpinted /refurbed
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I would hate to live on the 71/2 routes or WA 4/H/M,301 or 311/3 as. Can't stand the Omnilinks!
Think a lot of people think that way, remember the depot visit when people got on the B7RLE instead of an Omnilump. :)
Yes indeed. Luckily I get Spectra's and Tridents on the 59 (Prefer the Spectra) and B7's on the 89 (B6's on 28 and B10's on the 69 pass near my house too) so no Omnilinks (I avoid them if they do 89's)
Anyway back on topic;) Are there anymore YW E400's being Rpinted /refurbed
4727 may be next as it had that collision in Kings Heath but no others I don't think :)
Quote from: Matt on January 27, 2014, 06:37:12 PM
Quote from: filbus1 on January 27, 2014, 06:34:57 PM
Had ride on 4718 on 50 and it still seems one of the best,no rattles or odd noises. YW appear to be looking after it. 4729 in Kings Heath on 35. How long has this been in the latest livery?
In a recently filmed video on Youtube, it was making a dodgy whistling/screeching noise each time it pulled off. Has this been fixed?
its always done that since new, that's whby I love it so much :)
Just read a comment on my Flickr page that Central Trident 4622 is on the 18 today (I would say only a loan) - see bottom comment
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/6962380431/
Quote from: John on February 04, 2014, 01:12:08 PM
Just read a comment on my Flickr page that Central Trident 4622 is on the 18 today (I would say only a loan) - see bottom comment
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/6962380431/
It's a loan. 4616 [or 4618, can't remember] was on the 2 last week as well. Back at BC the day after. I dare say YW are short of buses. I recall some 44xx of BC's going there for a bit.
Seeing a Trident with a tv screen and a tree deflector on a YW route would just look weird ::)
Quote from: Sh4318 on February 04, 2014, 09:53:53 PM
Seeing a Trident with a tv screen and a tree deflector on a YW route would just look weird ::)
Lol! It's like when some 44xx's went there... really odd seeing it on the 49! ZF 'box, round dash, rubber wheel arches, no small offside passenger window... it's just wrong!
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Quote from: John on February 04, 2014, 01:12:08 PM
Just read a comment on my Flickr page that Central Trident 4622 is on the 18 today (I would say only a loan) - see bottom comment
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/6962380431/
It's a loan. 4616 [or 4618, can't remember] was on the 2 last week as well. Back at BC the day after. I dare say YW are short of buses. I recall some 44xx of BC's going there for a bit.
Yes they must be short of buses, I saw 1834 on the 35 yesterday at around 1pm.
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Quote from: John on February 04, 2014, 01:12:08 PM
Just read a comment on my Flickr page that Central Trident 4622 is on the 18 today (I would say only a loan) - see bottom comment
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/6962380431/
It's a loan. 4616 [or 4618, can't remember] was on the 2 last week as well. Back at BC the day after. I dare say YW are short of buses. I recall some 44xx of BC's going there for a bit.
Yes they must be short of buses, I saw 1834 on the 35 yesterday at around 1pm.
Does the BC 50 working still run?
Quote from: Rob H on February 05, 2014, 03:11:22 PM
Does the BC 50 working still run?
Yeah, caught Lina (4903) yesterday
What a set of trips to and from school today. On the 76E to Kings Heath this morning we just turned into Robin Hood Lane when we had to stop behind a red BMW that had been hit in the back badly. We just saw a car go storming off on the verge evidently escaping from prosecution. We stop behind the car and despite the road being dual carriageway a builder's lorry unloading by the car plus several other vans meant the lane was blocked off. The lorry wasn't going to move off for us and our driver got out to go and help the lady driver in the BMW. Her kids were already calling 999 and a few minutes later an ambulance car arrived and the police shortly after. Most of the people on the bus decided to go and get the 6 and 11; other cars got around our bus 4360 and the CH2 green bus by driving onto the verge and going round, including a lorry! After 10 minutes the driver advised the rest of us to get a 76 from the main road which was due soon as he was still going to be stuck there. Credit to the driver as he cared for the car driver and kept us informed. So I then got 4380 on the 76 with a divert down Highfield road. The scene was cleared soon after I left I reckon as the CH2 arrived not long after 4380.
Then my luck got worse later after a lorry broke down on the Bristol Road this evening; the 17:24 at Selly Oak took from 17:34 till 18:10 to get to Kings Heath due to the awful traffic in the side roads; even had the next 76 overtake us before Kings Heath. Absolute nightmare for the 76 today then and hope it doesn't happen again for a while!
1818 on the 6 today! Weird seeing a toothpaste scania in Solihull again.
A 47** ex-50 Enviro on the 1 & 4799 on the 3. Also 1447 only has 1 of 4 rear blinds
Quote from: Sh4318 on February 28, 2014, 01:15:18 PM
A 47** ex-50 Enviro on the 1 & 4799 on the 3. Also 1447 only has 1 of 4 rear blinds
Also 4732 is on the 3 along with 4718 18
Quote from: Sh4318 on February 28, 2014, 01:15:18 PM
A 47** ex-50 Enviro on the 1 & 4799 on the 3. Also 1447 only has 1 of 4 rear blinds
Was the Enviro a loan then?
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A 47** ex-50 Enviro on the 1 & 4799 on the 3. Also 1447 only has 1 of 4 rear blinds
Was the Enviro a loan then?
No, by ex-50 Enviro, I meant an Enviro that was previously branded for the 50
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A 47** ex-50 Enviro on the 1 & 4799 on the 3. Also 1447 only has 1 of 4 rear blinds
Was the Enviro a loan then?
No, by ex-50 Enviro, I meant an Enviro that was previously branded for the 50
So why would it be on the 1 which is an AG route?
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A 47** ex-50 Enviro on the 1 & 4799 on the 3. Also 1447 only has 1 of 4 rear blinds
Was the Enviro a loan then?
No, by ex-50 Enviro, I meant an Enviro that was previously branded for the 50
So why would it be on the 1 which is an AG route?
Strange indeed, if AG were going to loan a vehicle from YW, surely it would be a President or Omnilink? :D
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A 47** ex-50 Enviro on the 1 & 4799 on the 3. Also 1447 only has 1 of 4 rear blinds
Was the Enviro a loan then?
No, by ex-50 Enviro, I meant an Enviro that was previously branded for the 50
So why would it be on the 1 which is an AG route?
Oops typo, I meant the 2, lol :)
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Quote from: filbus1 on February 28, 2014, 02:52:05 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on February 28, 2014, 01:15:18 PM
A 47** ex-50 Enviro on the 1 & 4799 on the 3. Also 1447 only has 1 of 4 rear blinds
Was the Enviro a loan then?
No, by ex-50 Enviro, I meant an Enviro that was previously branded for the 50
The 1 is an AG route, that's why I asked.
Glad that's cleared up! Do the 2 and 3 still interchange at Birmingham, or do they operate on their own running boards, does anyone know?
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2014, 07:14:53 PM
Glad that's cleared up! Do the 2 and 3 still interchange at Birmingham, or do they operate on their own running boards, does anyone know?
Last time I was in Birmingham yes all the 2/3's I saw interworked Stu :)
Quote from: Nathan on February 28, 2014, 07:35:37 PM
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2014, 07:14:53 PM
Glad that's cleared up! Do the 2 and 3 still interchange at Birmingham, or do they operate on their own running boards, does anyone know?
Last time I was in Birmingham yes all the 2/3's I saw interworked Stu :)
Thanks, I knew it was the case before, but wasn't sure if things had changed since. So any bus spotted on the 2 would also appear on the 3 (and vice versa). I did also see 4799 on the 3 this evening as I left work about 5:30pm heading into town. (I started a new job this week on Bradford Street)
They are all on "2" running boards but they only interwork at peak times, daytime 20 minute services stay on their route, although if you ask me the whole 3 business as it is now is silly.
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Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2014, 07:14:53 PM
Glad that's cleared up! Do the 2 and 3 still interchange at Birmingham, or do they operate on their own running boards, does anyone know?
Last time I was in Birmingham yes all the 2/3's I saw interworked Stu :)
Thanks, I knew it was the case before, but wasn't sure if things had changed since. So any bus spotted on the 2 would also appear on the 3 (and vice versa). I did also see 4799 on the 3 this evening as I left work about 5:30pm heading into town. (I started a new job this week on Bradford Street)
According to the timetable they don't. And they certainly don't on evenings/Sundays. They do interwork at peaks though. Off peak 3s enter Birmingham at 09, 29, 49 and leave at 10, 30, 50
4698 out on the 50 today. Not sure if it is a loan or transfer.
Quote from: YWDriver on March 03, 2014, 03:23:57 PM
4698 out on the 50 today. Not sure if it is a loan or transfer.
Gah, that'll upset the boys! Don't know why though, a bus is a bus - even if it is the first one!
I'm delighted but not surprised to hear 4698 is down here now, it makes much more sense than keeping it at PB.
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Quote from: YWDriver on March 03, 2014, 03:23:57 PM
4698 out on the 50 today. Not sure if it is a loan or transfer.
Gah, that'll upset the boys! Don't know why though, a bus is a bus - even if it is the first one!
To me its just another E400 ::) but with a Euro 3 engine 8).
Obviously the 'Spirit of London' LX55 HGC was the first E400 to be built (4 Speed Euro 3 Voith) and TWM (BX55 XOA)and Metro line (LK55 XXF) had a 55 plate E400 each (Euro 3 5 Speed ZF)
Wasn't 4698 the second Enviro 400 to be built?
Quote from: Ashley on March 03, 2014, 05:39:47 PM
Wasn't 4698 the second Enviro 400 to be built?
I think so. After 'LX55 HGC'
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Quote from: Ashley on March 03, 2014, 05:39:47 PM
Wasn't 4698 the second Enviro 400 to be built?
I think so. After 'LX55 HGC'
Isn't that the "Spirit of London"?
Quote from: Matt on March 03, 2014, 06:10:54 PM
Quote from: John on March 03, 2014, 05:58:27 PM
Quote from: Ashley on March 03, 2014, 05:39:47 PM
Wasn't 4698 the second Enviro 400 to be built?
I think so. After 'LX55 HGC'
Isn't that the "Spirit of London"?
Yes as i mentioned above. It replaced the trident destroyed in the 7/7 bombing
Wish 4698 had been made Voith not a naff ZF, would be a much better bus! As it is it's my least favourite "Enviro400" in the fleet, yes I even prefer the Euro 5 ones
Quote from: Matt on March 03, 2014, 06:30:59 PM
Wish 4698 had been made Voith not a naff ZF, would be a much better bus! As it is it's my least favourite "Enviro400" in the fleet, yes I even prefer the Euro 5 ones
Tbh I think the 4 speed Voith Tridents are the best in the fleet. And I agree the ZF's are pretty naff (Apart from 4560,4589,4541 and 4609 IMO).
Without hijacking the topic just to add my view on Nathan's post. 4589 is the best of those four and has the most omfortable interior despite it not having been refurbished yet
Apoligies. Back on topic.....
Personally speaking, I don't know why such fuss is made about whether a bus has a Voith or ZF automatic gearbox; it's just a gearbox after all.
From a passenger's perspective, it doesn't really make any difference at all.
That is just my opinion. (It's like saying a Vauxhall Astra with an F17 gearbox is better than one with an F23 gearbox, the average driver/passenger couldn't tell the difference ;) )
Quote from: Stu on March 03, 2014, 07:51:46 PM
Personally speaking, I don't know why such fuss is made about whether a bus has a Voith or ZF automatic gearbox; it's just a gearbox after all.
From a passenger's perspective, it doesn't really make any difference at all.
That is just my opinion. (It's like saying a Vauxhall Astra with an F17 gearbox is better than one with an F23 gearbox, the average driver/passenger couldn't tell the difference ;) )
It can make a massive difference to the passenger as, in general, Voith seem to give a much smoother change than ZF, and when a gearbox gives a jerk when it changes down when the vehicle is slowing it is possible to make some less agile have a fall
Thanks, I suppose that is true, however the average passenger might just think the bus was being driven badly, rather than through any quirk of the automatic transmission that was installed.
i wish zf would sort the jerkyness out. i prefer them over voith as in a trident, b7 etc they dont work the engine so hard and change up and down better. they also reverse properly too!!
Quote from: Stu on March 03, 2014, 08:16:04 PM
Thanks, I suppose that is true, however the average passenger might just think the bus was being driven badly, rather than through any quirk of the automatic transmission that was installed.
Which is why I prefer Voith to drive!
The gearbox is the whole life and soul of the bus, much more than 'just a part'... Apart from Cosmetics, and of course gearbox, there is no difference between these 2 buses:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaMWBQDOgf8#t=81 , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9_uTEXXmrw Yet one sings, and the other just hums and jolts...
4698 itself isn't as bad as some buses currently in the fleet, but it would have been an amazing vehicle had it been a Voith.
Quote from: trident4370 on March 03, 2014, 09:51:00 PM
The gearbox is the whole life and soul of the bus, much more than 'just a part'... Apart from Cosmetics, and of course gearbox, there is no difference between these 2 buses:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaMWBQDOgf8#t=81 , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9_uTEXXmrw Yet one sings, and the other just hums and jolts...
4698 itself isn't as bad as some buses currently in the fleet, but it would have been an amazing vehicle had it been a Voith.
Between those two videos... I just can hear crappy plastic? No soul at all. IMHO.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 04, 2014, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on March 03, 2014, 09:51:00 PM
The gearbox is the whole life and soul of the bus, much more than 'just a part'... Apart from Cosmetics, and of course gearbox, there is no difference between these 2 buses:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaMWBQDOgf8#t=81 , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9_uTEXXmrw Yet one sings, and the other just hums and jolts...
4698 itself isn't as bad as some buses currently in the fleet, but it would have been an amazing vehicle had it been a Voith.
Between those two videos... I just can hear crappy plastic? No soul at all. IMHO.
Isn't that the case with all new buses anyway ;) at least one actually makes a minor noise, the other one just exists.
Quote from: YWDriver on March 03, 2014, 03:23:57 PM
4698 out on the 50 today. Not sure if it is a loan or transfer.
Is it still at Yardley Wood today?
Yep out this afternoon on the twos and threes.
1922 taken out of service in Northfield this morning after suffering a broken window (the last one on the nearside). Looked like it had hit something rather than been bricked.
Swapped with 1928
4725 and 4728 following each other on the 18.
Got my first glimpse of 4698 today, parked up just in Acocks Green village outside the Inn On The Green.
Looks very smart indeed, only the registration plate tells you the bus is 8 years old now, it doesn't look it!
4698, 4799 and 4370 all on 50 today (along with the green bus dart) for anyone hunting them down. 4727 is on 35 aswell for anyone who never got a photo before the accident.
Caught the 50 and 49 home today from Kings Heath to Solihull. The Green Bus Dart overtook us...bit annoying as never seen or been on it before. Wouldn't mind getting on 4698 at some point, although it may turn up on the 76E one morning.
It may do one day, not entirely sure how common Enviros are on that board, you would probably know better than me! 4698 actually sounded quite rough when it pulled off today, not how it normally is.
They tend to turn about one a week, usually on a Wednesday for some reason. If an Enviro does turn up is it usually a Toothpaste or Plain NX Liveried one, like 4799 or 4741. However no luck this week; hopefully next week!
Quote from: trident4370 on March 07, 2014, 02:14:57 PM
4698, 4799 and 4370 all on 50 today (along with the green bus dart) for anyone hunting them down. 4727 is on 35 aswell for anyone who never got a photo before the accident.
What time did you see 4370 on the 50? I only ask because I was outside work on Bradford Street (bottom end by Camp Hill) about 12:30pm having a fag break, and I'm sure I saw 4370 pass me either on the 2 or 3.
Quote from: Stu on March 07, 2014, 06:55:56 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on March 07, 2014, 02:14:57 PM
4698, 4799 and 4370 all on 50 today (along with the green bus dart) for anyone hunting them down. 4727 is on 35 aswell for anyone who never got a photo before the accident.
What time did you see 4370 on the 50? I only ask because I was outside work on Bradford Street (bottom end by Camp Hill) about 12:30pm having a fag break, and I'm sure I saw 4370 pass me either on the 2 or 3.
It left Maypole for Druids Heath at 11:32, came back and left Maypole for City at 11:46. That is the time according to my camera though so it may be a little bit out but hopefully helps :)
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Quote from: Stu on March 07, 2014, 06:55:56 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on March 07, 2014, 02:14:57 PM
4698, 4799 and 4370 all on 50 today (along with the green bus dart) for anyone hunting them down. 4727 is on 35 aswell for anyone who never got a photo before the accident.
What time did you see 4370 on the 50? I only ask because I was outside work on Bradford Street (bottom end by Camp Hill) about 12:30pm having a fag break, and I'm sure I saw 4370 pass me either on the 2 or 3.
It left Maypole for Druids Heath at 11:32, came back and left Maypole for City at 11:46. That is the time according to my camera though so it may be a little bit out but hopefully helps :)
Must have changed to a 2/3 when it got back to city then, as that would sound about right by the time I saw it.
Thought may as well post this here; picture of 4743 on the 76E, about to go on the empty run to YW garage to operate the 863 this morning. Shame it was so foggy really!
(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%2F2859%2F13128324015_1c0edf6f83_b.jpg&hash=884b132f9527a57f260b9faaba2ae7d8798c5d38)
I wish the LED's would show up!! Refresh rate isn't that low for it to be missed surely?
I was thinking that as well; may have been due to the light conditions. I've taken some pictures before and the LED has shown perfectly fine. If it wasn't the light conditions I may have timed it exactly the same time the driver was changing the display to 863 or Not In Service.
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 14, 2014, 08:00:15 PM
I was thinking that as well; may have been due to the light conditions. I've taken some pictures before and the LED has shown perfectly fine. If it wasn't the light conditions I may have timed it exactly the same time the driver was changing the display to 863 or Not In Service.
Whether LEDs show on photographs is completely random. They are not on permanently, but continually flash on and off. This is invisible to the naked eye, but cameras with their fast shutter speeds can capture them off.
4390 drove down Aldridge road this morning with engineers on board, it now has a front LED display
I noticed this morning 4739 displaying "Alcester Lanes End 50E", on one of the booked shorts, yet the next one behind (4387) was the Standard "50 Short Journey". Not sure if this was an old programming fluke or if YW are no longer using the Short Journey displays.
Quote from: John on March 14, 2014, 08:58:41 PM
4390 drove down Aldridge road this morning with engineers on board, it now has a front LED display
### 4390 was the yardley wood bus that had a massive
Front accident a month or two ago
Probably the reason why it's got a new led destination blind
Fitted (not sure wot bus it went into tho)
Have to watch out for 4390 now; thanks for that info John. By the way at the same time I took that picture, 4698 pulled up. Only got the back end though unfortunately. First time I've seen it and looked incredibly smart actually after the refurb.
If 4698 is now at YArdley Wood it would explain why
1408 is outside Walsall paint shop possible withdrawal
From Yardley Wood
Had 4718 on the 76E this morning; best decker in the fleet I think. V.Powerful and in an excellent condition, with no rattling. Saw 4726 looking brand new with silver wheel trims on the 35 today, which was good to see.
Quote from: lynx1103 on March 17, 2014, 10:18:04 AM
If 4698 is now at YArdley Wood it would explain why
1408 is outside Walsall paint shop possible withdrawal
From Yardley Wood
You'd normally except a withdrawn B10l to go to Miller St rather than the paintshop, could it have been there picking up a YW E400 or Trident after being repainted?
Quote from: Winston on March 17, 2014, 08:57:50 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on March 17, 2014, 10:18:04 AM
If 4698 is now at YArdley Wood it would explain why
1408 is outside Walsall paint shop possible withdrawal
From Yardley Wood
You'd normally except a withdrawn B10l to go to Miller St rather than the paintshop, could it have been there picking up a YW E400 or Trident after being repainted?
1408 is still at Walsall tonight so looks like it is there for a reason if its own!
Quote from: Tony on March 17, 2014, 09:03:39 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 17, 2014, 08:57:50 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on March 17, 2014, 10:18:04 AM
If 4698 is now at YArdley Wood it would explain why
1408 is outside Walsall paint shop possible withdrawal
From Yardley Wood
You'd normally except a withdrawn B10l to go to Miller St rather than the paintshop, could it have been there picking up a YW E400 or Trident after being repainted?
1408 is still at Walsall tonight so looks like it is there for a reason if its own!
Wasn't 1408 reported as possibly being withdrawn not so long ago, was that the one that had work done at PB?
Quote from: Winston on March 17, 2014, 09:10:44 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 17, 2014, 09:03:39 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 17, 2014, 08:57:50 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on March 17, 2014, 10:18:04 AM
If 4698 is now at YArdley Wood it would explain why
1408 is outside Walsall paint shop possible withdrawal
From Yardley Wood
You'd normally except a withdrawn B10l to go to Miller St rather than the paintshop, could it have been there picking up a YW E400 or Trident after being repainted?
1408 is still at Walsall tonight so looks like it is there for a reason if its own!
Wasn't 1408 reported as possibly being withdrawn not so long ago, was that the one that had work done at PB?
I went on 1408 2 weeks ago on the 18. I think it was the one that was been worked on, yes
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Quote from: Winston on March 17, 2014, 08:57:50 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on March 17, 2014, 10:18:04 AM
If 4698 is now at YArdley Wood it would explain why
1408 is outside Walsall paint shop possible withdrawal
From Yardley Wood
You'd normally except a withdrawn B10l to go to Miller St rather than the paintshop, could it have been there picking up a YW E400 or Trident after being repainted?
1408 is still at Walsall tonight so looks like it is there for a reason if its own!
Wasn't 1408 reported as possibly being withdrawn not so long ago, was that the one that had work done at PB?
I went on 1408 2 weeks ago on the 18. I think it was the one that was been worked on, yes
Yes it was. Here is the topic - http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2246
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Quote from: John on March 17, 2014, 09:15:00 PM
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Quote from: Winston on March 17, 2014, 08:57:50 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on March 17, 2014, 10:18:04 AM
If 4698 is now at YArdley Wood it would explain why
1408 is outside Walsall paint shop possible withdrawal
From Yardley Wood
You'd normally except a withdrawn B10l to go to Miller St rather than the paintshop, could it have been there picking up a YW E400 or Trident after being repainted?
1408 is still at Walsall tonight so looks like it is there for a reason if its own!
Wasn't 1408 reported as possibly being withdrawn not so long ago, was that the one that had work done at PB?
I went on 1408 2 weeks ago on the 18. I think it was the one that was been worked on, yes
Yes it was. Here is the topic - http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2246
Thanks for that, I thought it was the one that received mechanical work at PB
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Quote from: Tony on March 17, 2014, 09:03:39 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 17, 2014, 08:57:50 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on March 17, 2014, 10:18:04 AM
If 4698 is now at YArdley Wood it would explain why
1408 is outside Walsall paint shop possible withdrawal
From Yardley Wood
You'd normally except a withdrawn B10l to go to Miller St rather than the paintshop, could it have been there picking up a YW E400 or Trident after being repainted?
1408 is still at Walsall tonight so looks like it is there for a reason if its own!
Wasn't 1408 reported as possibly being withdrawn not so long ago, was that the one that had work done at PB?
I went on 1408 2 weeks ago on the 18. I think it was the one that was been worked on, yes
Yes it was. Here is the topic - http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2246
Thanks for that, I thought it was the one that received mechanical work at PB
1408 is now at Trailways at Bloxwich. 4344 is now at Walsall for refurb
Quote from: Tony on March 18, 2014, 02:18:50 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 17, 2014, 09:31:07 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on March 17, 2014, 09:29:32 PM
Quote from: John on March 17, 2014, 09:15:00 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 17, 2014, 09:10:44 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 17, 2014, 09:03:39 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 17, 2014, 08:57:50 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on March 17, 2014, 10:18:04 AM
If 4698 is now at YArdley Wood it would explain why
1408 is outside Walsall paint shop possible withdrawal
From Yardley Wood
You'd normally except a withdrawn B10l to go to Miller St rather than the paintshop, could it have been there picking up a YW E400 or Trident after being repainted?
1408 is still at Walsall tonight so looks like it is there for a reason if its own!
Wasn't 1408 reported as possibly being withdrawn not so long ago, was that the one that had work done at PB?
I went on 1408 2 weeks ago on the 18. I think it was the one that was been worked on, yes
Yes it was. Here is the topic - http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2246
Thanks for that, I thought it was the one that received mechanical work at PB
1408 is now at Trailways at Bloxwich. 4344 is now at Walsall for refurb
Tony,
Any idea what is happening to 1408? It is another being converted a mobile classroom or something similar?
Saw 4698 in the flesh for the first time today. It was on the 6, looks great, best Enviro repaint I've seen
4383 (BV52OBA)
Seen outside yardley wood garage
Today at about 1530
Fresh repaint/refurb
Is 4344 in replacement for 4383 in paint shop
I wonder if 4363 has gone in not seen it for a while now
Last overall wrap in nxwm colours
Quote from: Rainman13 on March 18, 2014, 09:25:55 PM
4383 (BV52OBA)
Seen outside yardley wood garage
Today at about 1530
Fresh repaint/refurb
Is 4344 in replacement for 4383 in paint shop
I wonder if 4363 has gone in not seen it for a while now
Last overall wrap in nxwm colours
4363 was on the 2 and 3s today
Truth be told 4363 still doesn't look too bad, not nearly as bas as 4383 was.
Quote from: trident4370 on March 18, 2014, 10:20:51 PM
Truth be told 4363 still doesn't look too bad, not nearly as bad as 4383 was.
I know right? About time 4383 finally got refurbished! I will try to find it on Saturday when I go to Birmingham.
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 18, 2014, 10:25:27 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on March 18, 2014, 10:20:51 PM
Truth be told 4363 still doesn't look too bad, not nearly as bad as 4383 was.
I know right? About time 4383 finally got refurbished! I will try to find it on Saturday when I go to Birmingham.
Oh yes, 4383 desperately needed it, 4344 is a good candidate too I am glad they are finally picking the most needy buses! If you like I will keep my eyes peeled for 4383 and post to the "buses to find" topic if I see it on Saturday :)
Quote from: trident4370 on March 18, 2014, 10:27:36 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 18, 2014, 10:25:27 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on March 18, 2014, 10:20:51 PM
Truth be told 4363 still doesn't look too bad, not nearly as bad as 4383 was.
I know right? About time 4383 finally got refurbished! I will try to find it on Saturday when I go to Birmingham.
Oh yes, 4383 desperately needed it, 4344 is a good candidate too I am glad they are finally picking the most needy buses! If you like I will keep my eyes peeled for 4383 and post to the "buses to find" topic if I see it on Saturday :)
Oh, that would be lovely! Yes, please. Appreciate it.
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 18, 2014, 10:34:03 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on March 18, 2014, 10:27:36 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 18, 2014, 10:25:27 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on March 18, 2014, 10:20:51 PM
Truth be told 4363 still doesn't look too bad, not nearly as bad as 4383 was.
I know right? About time 4383 finally got refurbished! I will try to find it on Saturday when I go to Birmingham.
Oh yes, 4383 desperately needed it, 4344 is a good candidate too I am glad they are finally picking the most needy buses! If you like I will keep my eyes peeled for 4383 and post to the "buses to find" topic if I see it on Saturday :)
Oh, that would be lovely! Yes, please. Appreciate it.
Can't promise I'll see it but if I do, consider it done :P
4363 actually still looks pretty good in the wrap livery. Just needs the interior sorting out. I'll keep an eye for 4383 as well over the next few days and let you know P419EJW.
Anyone after 4390 (LED) its on 50 currently sat st Moor St.
Sorry I completely forgot to add 4698 is on the 2 atm
1419 on 27 in Northfield at 9:20am today. Also 4718 on 18.
Quote from: filbus1 on March 21, 2014, 10:49:32 AM
1419 on 27 in Northfield at 9:20am today. Also 4718 on 18.
1419 is Walsall
Quote from: lynx1103 on March 21, 2014, 11:10:00 AM
Quote from: filbus1 on March 21, 2014, 10:49:32 AM
1419 on 27 in Northfield at 9:20am today. Also 4718 on 18.
1419 is Walsall
But it is on the 27 (Birmingham) today. No idea why!
Really not having any luck with YW this week, spent 9:20-10:20 in Kings Heath this morning hoping to see it -_- Also managed to just miss 4105 as I left this morning it went flying past on 11C *sigh*
What luck! First time I caught the 27 today from Kings Heath to Maypole; and what turns up....1419! Excellent bus and can see why P419EJW likes her; engine still very smooth and the ride smooth. They've painted/replaced the wheel trims so it looks very smart. I reckon it's permanent, or at least I hope it is.
1419 is a nice bus at Walsall why can't 1421 or 1474 go I won't be sad to
See either of them go .
I would've liked 1440 to come back; first bus I rode on the S2 and its first day at AG back in 2009.
The majority of Walsall B10L except
1453 1454 1459 1474 1475 1477 1479
Have been based at Yardley Wood some point in life.
Thanks for that info; btw I saw that YW used to have Crusaders as well back in 2002 to around 2007. They seemed to run the 49C and also a route called the 12? I assume that more of the routes were single deck back then.
Yardley Wood had Acocks Green's old B10Bs as well for a time (some of them anyway)
The 12 went Birmingham to Shirley Station, replaced by the 3/3A in the first Soliull Review
Quote from: John on March 22, 2014, 07:14:41 AM
Yardley Wood had Acocks Green's old B10Bs as well for a time (some of them anyway)
The 12 went Birmingham to Shirley Station, replaced by the 3/3A in the first Soliull Review
YW had 1358-70, I think the rest went to Dudley but I may be wrong on that bit.
Quote from: filbus1 on March 22, 2014, 07:47:42 AM
Quote from: John on March 22, 2014, 07:14:41 AM
Yardley Wood had Acocks Green's old B10Bs as well for a time (some of them anyway)
The 12 went Birmingham to Shirley Station, replaced by the 3/3A in the first Soliull Review
YW had 1358-70, I think the rest went to Dudley but I may be wrong on that bit.
According to Tony's history, YW had 1358-1372, but I suspect 1371/1372 went straight to Pensnett From AG along with 1373-1377. Eventually the entire batch of ex AG's B10B's moved to Pensnett
Quote from: Winston on March 22, 2014, 11:41:34 AM
Quote from: filbus1 on March 22, 2014, 07:47:42 AM
Quote from: John on March 22, 2014, 07:14:41 AM
Yardley Wood had Acocks Green's old B10Bs as well for a time (some of them anyway)
The 12 went Birmingham to Shirley Station, replaced by the 3/3A in the first Soliull Review
YW had 1358-70, I think the rest went to Dudley but I may be wrong on that bit.
According to Tony's history, YW had 1358-1372, but I suspect 1371/1372 went straight to Pensnett From AG along with 1373-1377. Eventually the entire batch of ex AG's B10B's moved to Pensnett
Thanks for comfirmation. I obviously meant Pensnett not Dudley, wrong era!
1447 appears to have had its rear blinds removed.
Thanks for answering my question
Has 1419 got YW blinds or is it only a loan until 1408 gets back?
According to a friend of mine, 1419 wasn't even on the 27 today, however I haven't looked so can't confirm as 100% true. If 1408 is at Trailways I would doubt it will come back, unless it is just there for something minor that is, seems a bit of a mystery tbh.
1419 did have the YW blinds I think; it was showing Maypole. I reckon it will stay considering the wheel trims have been repainted, suggesting WA have sent it on its away in good condition.
I hope it does stay, I'd love to catch it on a YW route again, purely for nostalgic reasons, just a shame it wont be allowed on any city centre routes anymore! My personal guess is 1408 may be become a trainer, it makes sense with it being worked on at PB then suddenly its at Trailways just a few weeks later.
Quote from: trident4370 on March 22, 2014, 10:08:33 PM
I hope it does stay, I'd love to catch it on a YW route again, purely for nostalgic reasons, just a shame it wont be allowed on any city centre routes anymore! My personal guess is 1408 may be become a trainer, it makes sense with it being worked on at PB then suddenly its at Trailways just a few weeks later.
1408 is now back at Yardley Wood
That is interesting as 1419 has had YW blinds fitted now, random guess but is there going to be a PVR increase on the 27 with the forthcoming review? Other than that all I can think of as possibilities are maybe either 1406 is going or more likely 1447 is going as its had its rear blinds completely removed.
Quote from: trident4370 on March 24, 2014, 07:04:05 PM
That is interesting as 1419 has had YW blinds fitted now, random guess but is there going to be a PVR increase on the 27 with the forthcoming review? Other than that all I can think of as possibilities are maybe either 1406 is going or more likely 1447 is going as its had its rear blinds completely removed.
I haven't seen any further changes listed on the VOSA website since the last lot were posted, so there probably won't be any changes to the 27.
What's tweaked my curiosity though, is the seeming increase in recent weeks of doubles being used on the 6 (even on Sundays) alongside the Omnilinks.
Ahh I've not had a proper look at the last lot yet, tbh It confuses me as you never know if it is a change or just VOSAs out of date locations -_- so I just wait for the announcements!
I've noticed the extra decker 6s too, but the 27 hasn't really seen a drastic increase in plastic, it is still just 1 or 2 a day :-\
Route 650 is probably going to be operated YW on the 27th april hence the 1 extra bus only 1 bus required looking at the current timetable provided on network westmidlands site?
Quote from: pb2012 on March 24, 2014, 07:39:01 PM
Route 650 is probably going to be operated YW on the 27th april hence the 1 extra bus only 1 bus required looking at the current timetable provided on network westmidlands site?
650 is going to be operated by Diamond from 27th April!
Quote from: Tony on March 24, 2014, 07:47:23 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on March 24, 2014, 07:39:01 PM
Route 650 is probably going to be operated YW on the 27th april hence the 1 extra bus only 1 bus required looking at the current timetable provided on network westmidlands site?
650 is going to be operated by Diamond from 27th April!
Thought it was mentioned elsewhere that route's 424 & 650 would be operated by nxwm my mistake?
Quote from: pb2012 on March 24, 2014, 08:24:06 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 24, 2014, 07:47:23 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on March 24, 2014, 07:39:01 PM
Route 650 is probably going to be operated YW on the 27th april hence the 1 extra bus only 1 bus required looking at the current timetable provided on network westmidlands site?
650 is going to be operated by Diamond from 27th April!
Thought it was mentioned elsewhere that route's 424 & 650 would be operated by nxwm my mistake?
Sure I saw here that Diamond were going to retain the 650 but renumber it as 34.
What's the Onnilink to Trident ratio on the 6?
Quote from: Stu on March 24, 2014, 07:27:19 PM
What's tweaked my curiosity though, is the seeming increase in recent weeks of doubles being used on the 6 (even on Sundays) alongside the Omnilinks.
Might be a repeat of YW tradition possibly. That being the 2 & 3 back to single deck? Suppose it could be a possibility. There always on and off with those two routes!
Quote from: Michael on March 26, 2014, 04:23:10 AM
Quote from: Stu on March 24, 2014, 07:27:19 PM
What's tweaked my curiosity though, is the seeming increase in recent weeks of doubles being used on the 6 (even on Sundays) alongside the Omnilinks.
Might be a repeat of YW tradition possibly. That being the 2 & 3 back to single deck? Suppose it could be a possibility. There always on and off with those two routes!
Didn't the 2 & 3 struggle capacity wise with single decks?
Quote from: Winston on March 26, 2014, 10:34:24 AM
Quote from: Michael on March 26, 2014, 04:23:10 AM
Quote from: Stu on March 24, 2014, 07:27:19 PM
What's tweaked my curiosity though, is the seeming increase in recent weeks of doubles being used on the 6 (even on Sundays) alongside the Omnilinks.
Might be a repeat of YW tradition possibly. That being the 2 & 3 back to single deck? Suppose it could be a possibility. There always on and off with those two routes!
Didn't the 2 & 3 struggle capacity wise with single decks?
I imagine they would now, with the frequency of both routes lowered to only 3 buses an hour
Don't forget you now only have as many buses per hour, during the daytime, as trains from Yardley Wood and Shirley stations, where is the incentive to catch the bus when an off peak day return on the train is less than a daysaver and it takes half the time... Clearly it has had at least some impact if there is now a shortage of parking at Yardley Wood Station, people don't want to wait upto 20 minutes for a bus when there is a better alternative. I say put the 2 & 3 back up in frequency and just lose the pointless Acocks Green extension on the 3, but what do I know...
Quote from: trident4370 on March 26, 2014, 10:49:26 PM
Don't forget you now only have as many buses per hour, during the daytime, as trains from Yardley Wood and Shirley stations, where is the incentive to catch the bus when an off peak day return on the train is less than a daysaver and it takes half the time... Clearly it has had at least some impact if there is now a shortage of parking at Yardley Wood Station, people don't want to wait upto 20 minutes for a bus when there is a better alternative. I say put the 2 & 3 back up in frequency and just lose the pointless Acocks Green extension on the 3, but what do I know...
I'd agreed; I'll have a look in my old 2/3 timetable to see what the frequency was when the Scanias from BY were running it. (wished they'd stayed!)
Quote from: trident4370 on March 26, 2014, 10:49:26 PM
Don't forget you now only have as many buses per hour, during the daytime, as trains from Yardley Wood and Shirley stations, where is the incentive to catch the bus when an off peak day return on the train is less than a daysaver and it takes half the time... Clearly it has had at least some impact if there is now a shortage of parking at Yardley Wood Station, people don't want to wait upto 20 minutes for a bus when there is a better alternative. I say put the 2 & 3 back up in frequency and just lose the pointless Acocks Green extension on the 3, but what do I know...
I guess we'll have to see the results of the consultation before any changes are made to the 2/3
The registered changes are shown in the consultation thread; looks like the 3 is being revised to serve The Green Business Park instead of Acocks Green. (with the 1 being extended from Acocks Green to Haslucks Green Road to cover that part of the route)
Quote from: Stu on March 27, 2014, 08:34:28 PM
The registered changes are shown in the consultation thread; looks like the 3 is being revised to serve The Green Business Park instead of Acocks Green. (with the 1 being extended from Acocks Green to Haslucks Green Road to cover that part of the route)
I can't find anything on the 2/3 or 31/A. I hope the 3 doesn't serve the Business Park, I agree that it should serve Solihull
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 27, 2014, 09:10:45 PM
Quote from: Stu on March 27, 2014, 08:34:28 PM
The registered changes are shown in the consultation thread; looks like the 3 is being revised to serve The Green Business Park instead of Acocks Green. (with the 1 being extended from Acocks Green to Haslucks Green Road to cover that part of the route)
I can't find anything on the 2/3 or 31/A. I hope the 3 doesn't serve the Business Park, I agree that it should serve Solihull
PD0001111/70
Correspondence address postcode: BIRMINGHAM
West Midlands, N&P, 21 Mar 2014: Bus Registration Variation
WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN BIRMINGHAM B9 4BZ
Operating between Birmingham, Carrs Lane and Maypole, Maypole Lane given service number 2 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD0001111/642
Correspondence address postcode: BIRMINGHAM
West Midlands, N&P, 21 Mar 2014: Bus Registration Variation
WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN BIRMINGHAM B9 4BZ
Operating between Birmingham, Carrs Lane and Shirley, Green Business Park given service number 3 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
PD0001111/681
Operating centre town: BIRMINGHAM
West Midlands, N&P, 21 Mar 2014: Bus Registration Variation
WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN BIRMINGHAM B9 4BZ
Operating between Birmingham, Corporation Street and Solihull/Shirley given service number 31 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
Quote from: Stu on March 27, 2014, 08:34:28 PM
The registered changes are shown in the consultation thread; looks like the 3 is being revised to serve The Green Business Park instead of Acocks Green. (with the 1 being extended from Acocks Green to Haslucks Green Road to cover that part of the route)
What?! The 1 being extended from Acocks Green is outrageous. They'll ruin the route. How would it work anyway? As the 1 is pretty frequent, and the 3 is, what, 2 per hour?
I reckon they'd be better off extending something like the S3, or whatever it's called nowadays, or one of those Central Connect or Silverline routes. The Acocks Green to Haslucks Green bit is subsidised, isn't it? If that is the case, then extending one of the Centro contracted routes that operate in Acocks Green shouldn't be an issue.
They could've extended the 30 to run along to Haslucks Green Lane from Acocks Green.
4719 out on the 76 today (not sure if its unusual so I've posted it here) and it almost lost its n/s wing mirror. If it continued to try and get round 2111 on the 71 it would have have lost it.
4744 and 4741 on 6 today
Just saw 1408 on the Expressway, towards Birmingham, it is driven by an engineer (a guy with orange hi-vis jacket). While passing it on X51, 1408 did not have it's destination blinds.
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 31, 2014, 02:51:34 PM
Just saw 1408 on the Expressway, towards Birmingham, it is driven by an engineer (a guy with orange hi-vis jacket). While passing it on X51, 1408 did not have it's destination blinds.
Since when did the X51 use the expressway? Assuming you mean the flyovers from Perry Barr :)
Quote from: Lukeee on March 31, 2014, 09:07:44 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 31, 2014, 02:51:34 PM
Just saw 1408 on the Expressway, towards Birmingham, it is driven by an engineer (a guy with orange hi-vis jacket). While passing it on X51, 1408 did not have it's destination blinds.
Since when did the X51 use the expressway? Assuming you mean the flyovers from Perry Barr :)
Unless he means where the A34 approach into Birmingham meets the A38 island?
Quote from: Lukeee on March 31, 2014, 09:07:44 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 31, 2014, 02:51:34 PM
Just saw 1408 on the Expressway, towards Birmingham, it is driven by an engineer (a guy with orange hi-vis jacket). While passing it on X51, 1408 did not have it's destination blinds.
Since when did the X51 use the expressway? Assuming you mean the flyovers from Perry Barr :)
Well... To me, a flyover is like a bridge goes over a road, the route is quite long and it goes over and under so it is the Expressway?
Quote from: Nathan on March 31, 2014, 09:16:10 PM
Unless he means where the A34 approach into Birmingham meets the A38 island?
Yes. :)
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 31, 2014, 09:17:49 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on March 31, 2014, 09:07:44 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 31, 2014, 02:51:34 PM
Just saw 1408 on the Expressway, towards Birmingham, it is driven by an engineer (a guy with orange hi-vis jacket). While passing it on X51, 1408 did not have it's destination blinds.
Since when did the X51 use the expressway? Assuming you mean the flyovers from Perry Barr :)
Well... To me, a flyover is like a bridge goes over a road, the route is quite long and it goes over and under so it is the Expressway?
Quote from: Nathan on March 31, 2014, 09:16:10 PM
Unless he means where the A34 approach into Birmingham meets the A38 island?
Yes. :)
I think that Luke thought you meant the Aston Expressway hence the confusion :)
Quote from: Nathan on March 31, 2014, 09:21:53 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 31, 2014, 09:17:49 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on March 31, 2014, 09:07:44 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on March 31, 2014, 02:51:34 PM
Just saw 1408 on the Expressway, towards Birmingham, it is driven by an engineer (a guy with orange hi-vis jacket). While passing it on X51, 1408 did not have it's destination blinds.
Since when did the X51 use the expressway? Assuming you mean the flyovers from Perry Barr :)
Well... To me, a flyover is like a bridge goes over a road, the route is quite long and it goes over and under so it is the Expressway?
Quote from: Nathan on March 31, 2014, 09:16:10 PM
Unless he means where the A34 approach into Birmingham meets the A38 island?
Yes. :)
I think that Luke thought you meant the Aston Expressway hence the confusion :)
Yes it came past me as I came out of the UTC where I am working at the moment at Lancaster Circus around 14:50, definately came in down Birchfield Road way
4107 out on the 76 today seen it in Solihull this morning around 08:20-08:30 haven't seen a President on the 76 for a while.
Anyone know what happened in Sparkbrook earlier?
Was passing by (got a lift home), and there was a Trident parked half on the pavement outside the petrol station. Still showing 6 on the rear display, but hazard lights were on. Thought it was a breakdown at first, but as we drove past, there was an ambulance parked in front, and a police car was just pulling up alongside on the forecourt. There were no passengers on board.
Quote from: Stu on April 03, 2014, 06:30:26 PM
Anyone know what happened in Sparkbrook earlier?
Was passing by (got a lift home), and there was a Trident parked half on the pavement outside the petrol station. Still showing 6 on the rear display, but hazard lights were on. Thought it was a breakdown at first, but as we drove past, there was an ambulance parked in front, and a police car was just pulling up alongside on the forecourt. There were no passengers on board.
In Solihull, Poplar Rd, Someone had a fall on the bus. There was an ambulance+Paramedic car as well as about 3 Police cars/vans (one car arrived - with sirens - as the other cars didn't have a breathalyzer) . I thought it was more serious than it was. So you never know, could have been a fall on the bus, or near it?
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on April 03, 2014, 06:50:42 PM
Quote from: Stu on April 03, 2014, 06:30:26 PM
Anyone know what happened in Sparkbrook earlier?
Was passing by (got a lift home), and there was a Trident parked half on the pavement outside the petrol station. Still showing 6 on the rear display, but hazard lights were on. Thought it was a breakdown at first, but as we drove past, there was an ambulance parked in front, and a police car was just pulling up alongside on the forecourt. There were no passengers on board.
In Solihull, Poplar Rd, Someone had a fall on the bus. There was an ambulance+Paramedic car as well as about 3 Police cars/vans (one car arrived - with sirens - as the other cars didn't have a breathalyzer) . I thought it was more serious than it was. So you never know, could have been a fall on the bus, or near it?
It wouldn't surprise me if a pedestrian walked out into the road and got hit, it is Sparkbrook after all, people are always doing it on the Stratford Road, just walking out into the traffic! As I said, I don't know what happened as I didn't see anything myself, just wondering if anyone else knew anything that's all.
Has 4721 come back to Yardley wood yet ?
Quote from: samboulton 87 on April 03, 2014, 08:47:57 PM
Has 4721 come back to Yardley wood yet ?
not yet, still at Walsall
new double deckers For the 50 next year !
Quote from: samboulton 87 on April 03, 2014, 09:50:09 PM
new double deckers For the 50 next year !
Do you know something we don't or is that guesswork?
how's 1408 come back yet
heres 4698 - 6 been meaning to upload, but not had the time;
https://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/13621019974/
Quote from: Steve6544 on April 13, 2014, 10:28:37 PM
4314 now at Wn
Released to W'ton due to a PVR decrease at YW on certain services. I already posted this yesterday see here:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1928.1365
Quote from: Nathan on April 13, 2014, 10:41:06 PM
Quote from: Steve6544 on April 13, 2014, 10:28:37 PM
4314 now at Wn
Released to W'ton due to a PVR decrease at YW on certain services. I already posted this yesterday see here:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1928.1365
Am I right in assuming that would relate to the 49 needing less vehicles.
I'd assume the changes on the 3 also help there, I can see some tridents heading to BC too for the extra 45s that will be required. Would I be right in assuming 50/99 may return to YW now the garage will have more capacity?
I thought that the 50 is run by Yardley wood anyway. As for the 99 wouldn't mean introducing another type of vehicle to the depot.
It's running board 50/99. which is currently operated by BC, Winston
Quote from: trident4370 on April 13, 2014, 11:24:48 PM
I'd assume the changes on the 3 also help there, I can see some tridents heading to BC too for the extra 45s that will be required. Would I be right in assuming 50/99 may return to YW now the garage will have more capacity?
Interesting concept. I think you may probably be right, although where that drivers' duty will be made up elsewhere I do not know. It's part of the Blossomfield Schools turn, maybe he'll do one or two 60's?
Spotted a trident with LED display on the 49
Quote from: Sayeed_M on April 14, 2014, 03:53:09 PM
Spotted a trident with LED display on the 49
It was 4390 you seen that now has the LED Display :)
1408 is back in service today
4741 and 4799 on 6
Since when has the 50 stopped outside Yardley Wood garage?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 29, 2014, 06:22:51 PM
Since when has the 50 stopped outside Yardley Wood garage?
It doesn't, the 2 18 and 27 serve the garage. What have you seen?
the bus pole outside the garage towards City says 2, 27 & 50 stop there?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 29, 2014, 06:41:09 PM
the bus pole outside the garage towards City says 2, 27 & 50 stop there?
Three cheers for Centro
Quote from: Matt on April 29, 2014, 06:42:41 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 29, 2014, 06:41:09 PM
the bus pole outside the garage towards City says 2, 27 & 50 stop there?
Three cheers for Centro
Lucky i didn't wait for it! ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 29, 2014, 06:41:09 PM
the bus pole outside the garage towards City says 2, 27 & 50 stop there?
Wouldn't that be a bus stop flag for the Maypole or somewhere around there?
Quote from: Nathan on April 29, 2014, 06:46:12 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 29, 2014, 06:41:09 PM
the bus pole outside the garage towards City says 2, 27 & 50 stop there?
Wouldn't that be a bus stop flag for the Maypole or somewhere around there?
Not really familiar with that area, caught the 18 from Bartley Green to YW and when i got there , went over and had a look inside the garage from the road, then moved to the stop, looked at the flag and was confused.
Quote from: Nathan on April 29, 2014, 06:46:12 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 29, 2014, 06:41:09 PM
the bus pole outside the garage towards City says 2, 27 & 50 stop there?
Wouldn't that be a bus stop flag for the Maypole or somewhere around there?
No, the 2 doesn't share any common bus stops with the 27 or 50 at the Maypole
Looks like another Centro bus stop coding cockup same as we had in Acocks Green village!
(I know Centro / Network West Midlands have had to make cutbacks, but they could have kept some of the more-intelligent staff on lol ;))
have reported it on Network West Midlands website, not the first time i have reported a "wrong " bus stop, last year for a day the 120 127 128 & 129 stopped at the stop on Lye By pass!
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Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 29, 2014, 06:41:09 PM
the bus pole outside the garage towards City says 2, 27 & 50 stop there?
Wouldn't that be a bus stop flag for the Maypole or somewhere around there?
No, the 2 doesn't share any common bus stops with the 27 or 50 at the Maypole
Sorry! Couldn't remember exactly where the 2 stops! It was worth a guess i suppose
Just to add the stop by Kings Heath park also shows 50 now, although that one does not mention Green Bus, just a general 50 on the flag, unlike the stop on the high street which specifically says Green Bus 50 only. Neither of the stops have had any new timetables added... I get the impression this is the service the above stops should all be displaying http://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/bus_services/route/50X/14-15/ 50X Kings Heath to Hollywood via Yardley Wood.
Gemini 4679 is on the 6, just left city. Another link to pic later
Quote from: John on May 02, 2014, 08:49:41 AM
Gemini 4679 is on the 6, just left city. Another link to pic later
Looking forward to seeing this!
Quote from: Matt on May 02, 2014, 06:48:23 PM
Quote from: John on May 02, 2014, 08:49:41 AM
Gemini 4679 is on the 6, just left city. Another link to pic later
Looking forward to seeing this!
Here you go Matt
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/13904012738/
Quote from: John on May 02, 2014, 07:24:53 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 02, 2014, 06:48:23 PM
Quote from: John on May 02, 2014, 08:49:41 AM
Gemini 4679 is on the 6, just left city. Another link to pic later
Looking forward to seeing this!
Here you go Matt
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/13904012738/
Cheers John! I'd mistake it for the 5 if I didn't look properly
Just seen 4738 on the 18 coming up Watford Road into Cotteridge instead of turning right out of Northfield Road. Are 18s on diversion or was he a bit lost I wonder?
Received a reply from Centro concerning the bus stop pole outside Yardley Wood Garage showing route 50, they have said that The Green Bus have diverted there 50 service from 27 April 2014 so that they call at that stop???
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 06, 2014, 06:13:22 PM
Received a reply from Centro concerning the bus stop pole outside Yardley Wood Garage showing route 50, they have said that The Green Bus have diverted there 50 service from 27 April 2014 so that they call at that stop???
Might be a school service, in a similar way that FW1 & FW7 journeys were partially renumbered 22S.
Quote from: Matt on May 06, 2014, 06:28:04 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 06, 2014, 06:13:22 PM
Received a reply from Centro concerning the bus stop pole outside Yardley Wood Garage showing route 50, they have said that The Green Bus have diverted there 50 service from 27 April 2014 so that they call at that stop???
Might be a school service, in a similar way that FW1 & FW7 journeys were partially renumbered 22S.
Have checked the 50 TGB timetable, one journey in calls at that stop each evening?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 06, 2014, 06:40:09 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 06, 2014, 06:28:04 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 06, 2014, 06:13:22 PM
Received a reply from Centro concerning the bus stop pole outside Yardley Wood Garage showing route 50, they have said that The Green Bus have diverted there 50 service from 27 April 2014 so that they call at that stop???
Might be a school service, in a similar way that FW1 & FW7 journeys were partially renumbered 22S.
Have checked the 50 TGB timetable, one journey in calls at that stop each evening?
Any journeys in the opposite direction in the morning?
Quote from: Matt on May 06, 2014, 06:42:38 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 06, 2014, 06:40:09 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 06, 2014, 06:28:04 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 06, 2014, 06:13:22 PM
Received a reply from Centro concerning the bus stop pole outside Yardley Wood Garage showing route 50, they have said that The Green Bus have diverted there 50 service from 27 April 2014 so that they call at that stop???
Might be a school service, in a similar way that FW1 & FW7 journeys were partially renumbered 22S.
Have checked the 50 TGB timetable, one journey in calls at that stop each evening?
Any journeys in the opposite direction in the morning?
No Matt, its the 17:33 from City to Maypole island returning at 18:08 from The Maypole, Monday to Saturday.
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Quote from: Matt on May 06, 2014, 06:42:38 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 06, 2014, 06:40:09 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 06, 2014, 06:28:04 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 06, 2014, 06:13:22 PM
Received a reply from Centro concerning the bus stop pole outside Yardley Wood Garage showing route 50, they have said that The Green Bus have diverted there 50 service from 27 April 2014 so that they call at that stop???
Might be a school service, in a similar way that FW1 & FW7 journeys were partially renumbered 22S.
Have checked the 50 TGB timetable, one journey in calls at that stop each evening?
Any journeys in the opposite direction in the morning?
No Matt, its the 17:33 from City to Maypole island returning at 18:08 from The Maypole, Monday to Saturday.
Given no extra time then
Quote from: Matt on May 06, 2014, 06:53:52 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 06, 2014, 06:52:10 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 06, 2014, 06:42:38 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 06, 2014, 06:40:09 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 06, 2014, 06:28:04 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 06, 2014, 06:13:22 PM
Received a reply from Centro concerning the bus stop pole outside Yardley Wood Garage showing route 50, they have said that The Green Bus have diverted there 50 service from 27 April 2014 so that they call at that stop???
Might be a school service, in a similar way that FW1 & FW7 journeys were partially renumbered 22S.
Have checked the 50 TGB timetable, one journey in calls at that stop each evening?
Any journeys in the opposite direction in the morning?
No Matt, its the 17:33 from City to Maypole island returning at 18:08 from The Maypole, Monday to Saturday.
Given no extra time then
no, none
Still doesn't explain the 50 at the stop by Kings Heath park or the church, unless the 50 is going to zig zag across the Alcester Road and back again, and even then they are on the wrong side of the road! :/
There is a 16:59 & 19:29 service from Druids Heath to City run by TGB, could this use these stops?
Hmmm that is a possibility,it's also possible that if they have started diverting odd 50 journeys here there and everywhere, one of the Maypole - Brums turns off somewhere before Howard Road, and uses Grove road to serve King Edward VI, tbh I have no idea. It doesn't help Centro have not updated the timetables at these stops to show any 50s whatsoever!
Noticed 4390 the other day (it's not hard to miss now it has an LED destination display!) appears to have had the front repainted, as it looked shiny and new, but the sides hadn't been touched, different shade of red, and still has the 'connection bars'. Any reason why it didn't get a full repaint, just front end damage repaired?
As far as I am aware it was just front end damage which was repaired after a crash. I assume to get it back in service as soon as possible just the front end was repainted.
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 21, 2014, 08:17:14 PM
As far as I am aware it was just front end damage which was repaired after a crash. I assume to get it back in service as soon as possible just the front end was repainted.
Only the red on the front was repainted. The red on the sides of the bus is the older shade of red
Last few days I've noticed an increased number of Omnilinks being used on the 2 and 3 services; today while having a smoke outside work on Bradford Street, I saw one going past me on the 3 to Shirley Green Business Park, with what looked like two NX inspectors on board, one standing in the buggy area, and another seated towards the back, both wearing orange hi-vises. Is some kind of passenger monitoring exercise being carried out, to see whether these services cope with single-decks I wonder?
Quote from: Stu on June 10, 2014, 08:14:23 PM
Last few days I've noticed an increased number of Omnilinks being used on the 2 and 3 services; today while having a smoke outside work on Bradford Street, I saw one going past me on the 3 to Shirley Green Business Park, with what looked like two NX inspectors on board, one standing in the buggy area, and another seated towards the back, both wearing orange hi-vises. Is some kind of passenger monitoring exercise being carried out, to see whether these services cope with single-decks I wonder?
Revenue inspectors!
Quote from: Tony on June 10, 2014, 08:17:09 PM
Quote from: Stu on June 10, 2014, 08:14:23 PM
Last few days I've noticed an increased number of Omnilinks being used on the 2 and 3 services; today while having a smoke outside work on Bradford Street, I saw one going past me on the 3 to Shirley Green Business Park, with what looked like two NX inspectors on board, one standing in the buggy area, and another seated towards the back, both wearing orange hi-vises. Is some kind of passenger monitoring exercise being carried out, to see whether these services cope with single-decks I wonder?
Revenue inspectors!
Oh ok, it's just I've noticed NX staff on a couple of these buses over the last week or so, at first I wondered if they were route training new drivers, and then with all the Omnilinks I saw yesterday I wondered if they were planning somehow to make the 2 and 3 single deck! Just me jumping to conclusions then, as revenue inspectors are normally 'static' at targeted bus stops, though I guess having them on the whole of the service confuses the hell out of the fare-dodgers getting their tip-offs about inspector locations! ;)
Anyone know which Trident caught fire today outside Aldi in Sparkbrook?
John
Quote from: John Stait on June 12, 2014, 06:17:08 PM
Anyone know which Trident caught fire today outside Aldi in Sparkbrook?
John
4341
RIP 4341, one new to YW too. Shame, though at least it wasn't a engine fault this time. Hope they get the person/persons responsible.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2656389/Three-bus-fires-come-Vehicles-burst-flames-forcing-passengers-flee-separate-incidents-country.html
John
4742-6
4739-6
4371-6
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on June 15, 2014, 02:01:42 PM
4371-6
Saw an E400 on the 6 this afternoon too but i presume thats the norm alongside Omnilinks and Tridents?
@Nathan yeah, doubles and Omnilinks are usual allocation for the 6 everyday.
Speaking of the 6, there was a 50-branded Enviro (474*) on there the other day, may have been yesterday
4099 is working at YW at the moment; rode it on the 76E and 49 on the same day (20th June) and then saw it on the 49 today. Must be covering for the loss of 4341
Not long seen 4732 driving through Queslett, could be nothing or could be off for repaint.
Quote from: trident4370 on June 27, 2014, 11:05:19 AM
Not long seen 4732 driving through Queslett, could be nothing or could be off for repaint.
Yes it is next for repaint; 4727 on way back to YW
Literally just seen (and snapped) 4727 by miller st! Talk about lucky..
4361-6
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on June 28, 2014, 01:18:15 PM
4361-6
Tridents operate on the 6 alongside the Omnilinks daily
I wonder why YW had 4698 cascaded down to them as its seems logical to have kept it at PB
Out of curiosity, In what way is it logical to keep a euro 3 trident at a garage that doesn't operate them?
Not logical really more of the fact that 4698 was awesome going down the expressway on one of the 90X services and also dont forget PB have another euro 3 compliant vehicle in the shape of 4697 so would be interesting to see where that one ends up
Quote from: dw1308 on June 29, 2014, 09:33:00 PM
Not logical really more of the fact that 4698 was awesome going down the expressway on one of the 90X services and also dont forget PB have another euro 3 compliant vehicle in the shape of 4697 so would be interesting to see where that one ends up
I'd imagine 4697 wouldn't end up anywhere else. Why would you transfer it out when no other garage has Omnicities?
Quote from: Nathan on June 29, 2014, 10:01:39 PM
Quote from: dw1308 on June 29, 2014, 09:33:00 PM
Not logical really more of the fact that 4698 was awesome going down the expressway on one of the 90X services and also dont forget PB have another euro 3 compliant vehicle in the shape of 4697 so would be interesting to see where that one ends up
I'd imagine 4697 wouldn't end up anywhere else. Why would you transfer it out when no other garage has Omnicities?
By that i meant will it be repainted like 4698 or will it be left in the toothpaste livery, my apologies if I was unclear
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Quote from: Nathan on June 29, 2014, 10:01:39 PM
Quote from: dw1308 on June 29, 2014, 09:33:00 PM
Not logical really more of the fact that 4698 was awesome going down the expressway on one of the 90X services and also dont forget PB have another euro 3 compliant vehicle in the shape of 4697 so would be interesting to see where that one ends up
I'd imagine 4697 wouldn't end up anywhere else. Why would you transfer it out when no other garage has Omnicities?
By that i meant will it be repainted like 4698 or will it be left in the toothpaste livery, my apologies if I was unclear
No worries :) 4697 has infact been repainted/refurbed. Arrived back at PB a few days ago :)
Quote from: Nathan on June 29, 2014, 10:44:48 PM
Quote from: dw1308 on June 29, 2014, 10:37:14 PM
Quote from: Nathan on June 29, 2014, 10:01:39 PM
Quote from: dw1308 on June 29, 2014, 09:33:00 PM
Not logical really more of the fact that 4698 was awesome going down the expressway on one of the 90X services and also dont forget PB have another euro 3 compliant vehicle in the shape of 4697 so would be interesting to see where that one ends up
I'd imagine 4697 wouldn't end up anywhere else. Why would you transfer it out when no other garage has Omnicities?
By that i meant will it be repainted like 4698 or will it be left in the toothpaste livery, my apologies if I was unclear
No worries :) 4697 has infact been repainted/refurbed. Arrived back at PB a few days ago :)
Thats great news :] will look forward to spotting it while im out and about
It has probably already been noticed, but 4720 has gained a red N/S front bumper, on the 6 today
Looks like a car had a little collision with 4337 in Birmingham city centre
Noticed 4741 driving around Hollybank Road on blinds Bus Driver of the Year
Went round and round in circles with some people on orange hi viz (RoSPA?) Guiding the bus all around
Quote from: vinh1000 on July 20, 2014, 12:11:38 PM
Noticed 4741 driving around Hollybank Road on blinds Bus Driver of the Year
Went round and round in circles with some people on orange hi viz (RoSPA?) Guiding the bus all around
It was the NXWM heat of Bus Driver of the Year today, with the individual garage winners fighting to be top against the other garages.
The winners of this stage then go on to represent NXWM in the finals in Blackpool.
I think it took place at the WMT Social Club (the Stadium?) in Kings Heath.
Quote from: notepanel on July 20, 2014, 06:47:45 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on July 20, 2014, 12:11:38 PM
Noticed 4741 driving around Hollybank Road on blinds Bus Driver of the Year
Went round and round in circles with some people on orange hi viz (RoSPA?) Guiding the bus all around
It was the NXWM heat of Bus Driver of the Year today, with the individual garage winners fighting to be top against the other garages.
The winners of this stage then go on to represent NXWM in the finals in Blackpool.
I think it took place at the WMT Social Club (the Stadium?) in Kings Heath.
It was indeed, and our chap won :D
Well done to him - heard all about it today whilst on work experience with NXWM (which is brilliant!) and sounded a tough test of a driver's skills. No surprise to me that a YW driver won it - The YW drivers are very good in my opinion - have them everyday on the 76 + 6 and most are very polite and good drivers. :D
Have YW got Eclipse 2s now?
Quote from: Abluhwleh on July 23, 2014, 05:53:48 PM
Have YW got Eclipse 2s now?
No, not unless you know something we don't?
One obvious answer to any one off sightings would be a reserve tunnel fleet like last year filling in gaps where there are delays.
4762 has been named Ella and has gained a blue side stripe and 24 hr stickers. 4757 also has had this treatment but didn't catch the name.
1411 was in the pen at MS this afternoon.
4755 - has been named layla
By the looks of it from the photo on the main siote, 4757 looks like it's been named 'Harvey' - could this be a start to both gender names on NX buses? :o
4094 out on the 76 today seen in Solihull Town Centre around 10:35-10:45
Quote from: clayderman on July 31, 2014, 11:28:39 AM
By the looks of it from the photo on the main siote, 4757 looks like it's been named 'Harvey' - could this be a start to both gender names on NX buses? :o
If I'm honest, it looks more like "Honey" to me, I'll have a proper look tomorrow though.
Quote from: trident4370 on July 31, 2014, 03:56:24 PM
Quote from: clayderman on July 31, 2014, 11:28:39 AM
By the looks of it from the photo on the main siote, 4757 looks like it's been named 'Harvey' - could this be a start to both gender names on NX buses? :o
If I'm honest, it looks more like "Honey" to me, I'll have a proper look tomorrow though.
Just zoomed in on the original HD image and it is Honey
Thanks Tony.
A few more have been done today although not all. For those with logs...
4761 - Scarlett
4758 - Fiona
4760 - Ava
4749 - Lexi
4750 - Abigail
4752 - Miriam
4754 - Evie
Is thete a bus with Elizabeth on if so
what fleet number
A few more names
4746 Abbi
4747 Amaya
4749 Lexi
4750 Abigail
4752 Miriam
4754 Evie
4758 Fiona
Is 4191/92 a definite permanent transfer?
4370 is another bus which has gained an allover ad for Nokia Lumia, noted on the 18 this evening in Cotteridge.
4759 named Madi
I have heard on my Flickr that 4365 has transferred back to Yardley Wood
Thanks John - YW obviously bolstering the fleet for the start of the school term - hopefully I'll get these new arrivals on the 76 at some point. Just out of interest before a bus transfers to another garage does that garage (e.g BC in this case) remove any window etching, graffiti so the bus is in a presentable condition for the next garage to use?
Quote from: John on August 29, 2014, 01:34:51 AM
I have heard on my Flickr that 4365 has transferred back to Yardley Wood
More than possible, in that case that 4364 at least will follow suit.
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 29, 2014, 07:53:33 AM
Thanks John - YW obviously bolstering the fleet for the start of the school term - hopefully I'll get these new arrivals on the 76 at some point. Just out of interest before a bus transfers to another garage does that garage (e.g BC in this case) remove any window etching, graffiti so the bus is in a presentable condition for the next garage to use?
Don't think so. 4323 which recently came back to WN has terribly etched windows and they have stayed that way since coming back from BC
Quote from: Mike K on August 29, 2014, 09:32:11 AM
Quote from: John on August 29, 2014, 01:34:51 AM
I have heard on my Flickr that 4365 has transferred back to Yardley Wood
More than possible, in that case that 4364 at least will follow suit.
Yes 4364/5 should have transferred to YW. There should be two more in and two more out from BC to various garages to watch out for
Quote from: Tony on August 29, 2014, 10:27:28 AM
Yes 4364/5 should have transferred to YW. There should be two more in and two more out from BC to various garages to watch out for
I'm guessing 2121 could be one of those? @Tony
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on August 29, 2014, 02:24:38 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 29, 2014, 10:27:28 AM
Yes 4364/5 should have transferred to YW. There should be two more in and two more out from BC to various garages to watch out for
I'm guessing 2121 could be one of those? @Tony
I'm thinking 2 x Volvo B7TL/ALX400's from WB to PB (4291), two ex Dundee Omnilink from PB to AG, 2121/2122 AG to BC & two further Tridents out of BC?
If NX are going to keep numbers together then I assume 4366 and 4367 may move out? Although 4368 with its special mods would remain at BC, although I that would make sense considering its special CCTV equipment etc.
It would have made more sense to leave 4191 and 4192 at BC instead of transferring them to YW. Then 4365, 4366, 4367, 4368 could have transferred to YW to keep numbers in sequence (so follows onto YW 4369). Although 4364 would be the odd one out at BC.
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Quote from: Bham Central Driver on August 29, 2014, 02:24:38 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 29, 2014, 10:27:28 AM
Yes 4364/5 should have transferred to YW. There should be two more in and two more out from BC to various garages to watch out for
I'm guessing 2121 could be one of those? @Tony
I'm thinking 2 x Volvo B7TL/ALX400's from WB to PB (4291), two ex Dundee Omnilink from PB to AG, 2121/2122 AG to BC & two further Tridents out of BC?
4325 and 4326 are odd ones out number sequence wise at BC at the moment so they could be the other 2 candidates to leave.
4325 and 4326 could join 4323/4 at WN to replace a couple of Mercs maybe?
Has nobody noticed the latest transfer in to YW standing out like a sore thumb on the 2?
I saw an LED Trident on there early this morning - if it was not 4390 then it would have been 4368 - at a guess?
Quote from: Liberator9 on September 11, 2014, 05:02:49 PM
I saw an LED Trident on there early this morning - if it was not 4390 then it would have been 4368 - at a guess?
Much more out of place on the 2 than that
Wow - another guess then - new Enviro 400 getting lost or a long shot of a Scania double decker from PB?
Quote from: Tony on September 11, 2014, 05:04:07 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on September 11, 2014, 05:02:49 PM
I saw an LED Trident on there early this morning - if it was not 4390 then it would have been 4368 - at a guess?
Much more out of place on the 2 than that
I'm thinking is could be something from WA which is now receiving Gemini's? Possibly a leather seated E400?
Please be the leather seated Enviro 400 ;)
Quote from: Liberator9 on September 11, 2014, 05:31:58 PM
Please be the leather seated Enviro 400 ;)
Sorry, it is 1898
I'm happy with 1898 - is this just a one off move or are more Scanias on the way over to YW? (to replace Liberators)
Hi , I have a quick question for you bus drivers at Yardley Wood, can you advise where the pits are located within the depot?
Quote from: Dutsey on September 13, 2014, 10:05:50 PM
Hi , I have a quick question for you bus drivers at Yardley Wood, can you advise where the pits are located within the depot?
The pits are located at the bottom of the depot & stretch across it's width, Tony has a photo somewhere taken from the stair prior to the open day last year.
http://wmbusphotos.com/zstockphotos/YardleyWoodgarage.html
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1790.180
there's two photo's located further up this thread
The pits are located at the far north end of the garage - you can see them from the various videos from the YW open day last year.
on this video, at 7:32 you can see the pits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AvxwhXpo-k
Just been on the YW 27 coming home and passed a Scania Omnilink, in service on the YW 27. At first this seems very normal - however it was in the new livery (aka bright red and no connection bars) and crucially lacking the silver light surrounds. Sadly didn't get the number - if someone sees it then please post:
It could be either three of these options
1) 57 reg on loan from PB or BY
2) One of the YW Scanias has been refurbished (would seem very odd)
3) It was 1896 from WA - it looked like it - and would make sense if 1898 has transferred in from WA last week.
It was this design just to make it clear - http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1750-1953/1896.html
1914 - 3
4338 - 3
1800 - 27
4390 - 76
4387 - 76
4388 - 3
Thanks ronnoc1k8 !
Must have been 1800 I saw then - rare working then.
Quote from: Liberator9 on September 16, 2014, 04:02:30 PM
Thanks ronnoc1k8 !
Must have been 1800 I saw then - rare working then.
Perry Barr had it on loan towards then end of last week, must be floating around a bit at the minute
Quote from: Liberator9 on September 16, 2014, 04:02:30 PM
Thanks ronnoc1k8 !
Must have been 1800 I saw then - rare working then.
No problem, I went on it in the morning! Also I think 4363 has the wrong number plate at the front for 4362's, also 4387's fleet number on the top deck is wrong, it says 3487! Also Tony, on 1914's page it shows a picture of 1910 in the West Midlands bus photo website.
Wow - you have a good eye for small details - I wouldn't have noticed 4363 having the wrong number plate!
Quote from: Liberator9 on September 16, 2014, 05:56:47 PM
Wow - you have a good eye for small details - I wouldn't have noticed 4363 having the wrong number plate!
I actually was on a stop waiting for the 3 to come and saw 4363 come to stop and my eyes saw BX02 AVV on it.
4335 - 3
4358 - 76
4374 - 2
4342 - 76
4392 - 3
4394 - 3
1406 - 27
4372 - 2
Every one seems to have missed 1901 on the 6 for the second day running
1800 on the 6 to day at lunchtime
Spotted 1800 and 1901 together on the 6 early this morning - Is 1901 a permanent transfer like 1898?
Quote from: Liberator9 on September 17, 2014, 06:12:08 PM
Spotted 1800 and 1901 together on the 6 early this morning - Is 1901 a permanent transfer like 1898?
If these Omnilinks are replacing the B10L's at YW then I'd say so :)
Great ;) Glad to have more Scanias at YW - favourite single decker at NX apart from the Wright Eclipse Urban (56 regs). At WA I assume the arrival of the new Enviro 200s and some Geminis transferring in have allowed this.
Quote from: Liberator9 on September 17, 2014, 06:41:40 PM
Great ;) Glad to have more Scanias at YW - favourite single decker at NX apart from the Wright Eclipse Urban (56 regs). At WA I assume the arrival of the new Enviro 200s and some Geminis transferring in have allowed this.
WA haven't received any E200's yet, however, when they do I would think those would allow the B6LE to be withdrawn. I would guess it is ex WB Gemini that are allowing the Omnilinks to cascade to YW
I think the Omnilinks in YW should just stick to the route 6, 84 and 27, they are just get so annoying on the route 3.
Quote from: Winston on September 17, 2014, 06:57:26 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on September 17, 2014, 06:41:40 PM
Great ;) Glad to have more Scanias at YW - favourite single decker at NX apart from the Wright Eclipse Urban (56 regs). At WA I assume the arrival of the new Enviro 200s and some Geminis transferring in have allowed this.
WA haven't received any E200's yet, however, when they do I would think those would allow the B6LE to be withdrawn. I would guess it is ex WB Gemini that are allowing the Omnilinks to cascade to YW
I'm a bit confused about how WA is going to do this swap.
Assuming these are permanent swaps from WA to YW and based on the fact that fleet blocks seem to be kept together - WA would then be losing 7 OmniLinks.
By my calculations there are currently 40 WA boards each day that should in theory be OmniLink operated - 21 on the 4/H/M, 8 on the 301 & 11 on the 311/313, yet there would only be 35 buses to operate these.
There would then be 14 B10Ls available to operate the 12 boards on the 34/38/39, which over the coming months must surely be due to be reduced.
Obviously my count on the numbers going to YW may be wrong - but surely older vehicles are going to have to replace OmniLinks on at least 5 boards each day (possibly more depending on how the B10s are behaving on the 34/38/39)?
Quote from: notepanel on September 17, 2014, 07:41:22 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 17, 2014, 06:57:26 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on September 17, 2014, 06:41:40 PM
Great ;) Glad to have more Scanias at YW - favourite single decker at NX apart from the Wright Eclipse Urban (56 regs). At WA I assume the arrival of the new Enviro 200s and some Geminis transferring in have allowed this.
WA haven't received any E200's yet, however, when they do I would think those would allow the B6LE to be withdrawn. I would guess it is ex WB Gemini that are allowing the Omnilinks to cascade to YW
I'm a bit confused about how WA is going to do this swap.
Assuming these are permanent swaps from WA to YW and based on the fact that fleet blocks seem to be kept together - WA would then be losing 7 OmniLinks.
By my calculations there are currently 40 WA boards each day that should in theory be OmniLink operated - 21 on the 4/H/M, 8 on the 301 & 11 on the 311/313, yet there would only be 35 buses to operate these.
There would then be 14 B10Ls available to operate the 12 boards on the 34/38/39, which over the coming months must surely be due to be reduced.
Obviously my count on the numbers going to YW may be wrong - but surely older vehicles are going to have to replace OmniLinks on at least 5 boards each day (possibly more depending on how the B10s are behaving on the 34/38/39)?
Basically WA will put more deckers on routes they ought to be on anyway. I would think that B7RLE's may appear on the OmniStink routes more frequently. All the same Walsall will have the last hurrah of B10L operations, rather fitting given they were the first to have them in WM
Pardon the pun but I guess it really is the end of the road now for the B10Ls :( I am glad though we are having more Scanias to replace them but I was expecting some SP10s rather than BX09s :o
I suspect routes like the 10/10A may revert to deckers and B7RLE could perhaps become more dominant on the 311/313 again? Pity really I'd like to see deckers return to Bradford Place on a more permanent basis.
Walsall
6 Enviro 200 are coming in to replace or of WA B6s
EX West Bromwich Geninis are coming in to replace scanias dispatch to Yardley Wood.
40/41 only has 2 double deck allocated so more deckes could be allocated on there and on 10/10A
Service 301 might convert to B7RLE enabling 4/311/313 being fully scania
I'm a bit surprised if 1896 has gone to YW.
That's 9 scania through to 1904 how many B10L left at Yardley Wood?
The B10L at Walsall will last until 2015 when more Enviro 200.
I know X51/997 is due new buses in January so will be intresting to
See what goes then.
Quote from: lynx1103 on September 17, 2014, 08:27:04 PM
Walsall
6 Enviro 200 are coming in to replace or of WA B6s
EX West Bromwich Geninis are coming in to replace scanias dispatch to Yardley Wood.
40/41 only has 2 double deck allocated so more deckes could be allocated on there and on 10/10A
Service 301 might convert to B7RLE enabling 4/311/313 being fully scania
I'm a bit surprised if 1896 has gone to YW.
That's 9 scania through to 1904 how many B10L left at Yardley Wood?
The B10L at Walsall will last until 2015 when more Enviro 200.
I know X51/997 is due new buses in January so will be intresting to
See what goes then.
There are 7 B10L's left at YW (1406/1407/1408/1419/1432/1447/1450) :)
Some interesting info there Lynx, cheers. There have been a few deckers on the 6 recently so could just be YW are short of Scanias, not forgetting the 84 is always a scania too.
The fact that 1800 is on loan at YW probably confirms the fact that YW are running a bit short of Scanias at the minute due to MOTs, Services etc. Although I think 1898 and 1901 will be permanent. Caught the 6 this morning as usual, and instead of the routine Scania, 4385 turned up....suspension was awful. Hoping there's a Scania back on tomorrow.
4385 is the shed of the batch!
It really is - suspension has gone - heating useless and rattles a lot.
Quote from: Liberator9 on September 17, 2014, 08:44:47 PM
The fact that 1800 is on loan at YW probably confirms the fact that YW are running a bit short of Scanias at the minute due to MOTs, Services etc. Although I think 1898 and 1901 will be permanent. Caught the 6 this morning as usual, and instead of the routine Scania, 4385 turned up....suspension was awful. Hoping there's a Scania back on tomorrow.
Now I get why the Scanias nowadays come on the 3, they suit the 6, 27 and 84 best. Not 3.
They are more suited to the 3 than 6, although past Shirley well a solo would be sufficient! Truth be told, I wouldn't think it a bad move if all the Stratford road routes were converted to single deckers.
I don't really like the idea of Scanias on the 3 but ok! Also the Daimler was at Duxford today, had a good thrash, good braking but slow acceleration. The best thrash from a bus older than 20 years old. Even better then one of the Metrobuses I was on.
Hmm each to their own I guess, I personally think the 3 worked better with singles, 1788-1804(-02) seemed suited to the 2/3/3A but sadly they were only there temporarily. The way the route operates today, I am glad I no longer rely on it!
I too preferred the 2/3 etc. as it was in 2010 - shame that batch left YW. Had 1899 today on the 6 - really fast bus - never known such a fast bus up the Stratford Road. It is a good bus - although needs some minor attention to the suspension as it occasionally clunks and rides a bit harshly. Will benefit from the excellent YW maintenance I am sure.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on September 22, 2014, 08:06:10 PM
I don't really like the idea of Scanias on the 3 but ok! Also the Daimler was at Duxford today, had a good thrash, good braking but slow acceleration. The best thrash from a bus older than 20 years old. Even better then one of the Metrobuses I was on.
Which Daimler? 3472 do you mean
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2014, 08:52:13 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on September 22, 2014, 08:06:10 PM
I don't really like the idea of Scanias on the 3 but ok! Also the Daimler was at Duxford today, had a good thrash, good braking but slow acceleration. The best thrash from a bus older than 20 years old. Even better then one of the Metrobuses I was on.
Which Daimler? 3472 do you mean
Are there more than 2? It was 2489.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on September 23, 2014, 06:19:59 AM
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2014, 08:52:13 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on September 22, 2014, 08:06:10 PM
I don't really like the idea of Scanias on the 3 but ok! Also the Daimler was at Duxford today, had a good thrash, good braking but slow acceleration. The best thrash from a bus older than 20 years old. Even better then one of the Metrobuses I was on.
Which Daimler? 3472 do you mean
Are there more than 2? It was 2489.
2489 is a Crossley not a Daimler
4738 is having RTA repairs at Perry Barr, both sides lower panels replaced, so will more then likely go in for repaint after
Quote from: John on September 23, 2014, 08:44:25 PM
4738 is having RTA repairs at Perry Barr, both sides lower panels replaced, so will more then likely go in for repaint after
About time they started on the *flagship 50* buses I think
Rather they got going on the Tridents that only had the repaints - the exteriors and interiors of some of them are really messy now. Apart from the faded pinkish red, the Enviro 400s are fine - interiors are in good condition, bar some graffiti.
Personally I think once those enviros are finally refurbished, the calls to upgrade the 50 with brand new should die down a bit. As has been proved recently the BU07 Enviros look fantastic once repainted and the worn seat covers are replaced, it's just a shame that a refurb doesn't seem to stretch to some new flooring.
On an unrelated note, the white trainer merc was doing the rounds at YW today, the first time I have ever seen an 0405N at Yardley Wood! Got me thinking a bit how well they would suit the 27 :P
Annoyingly though, I couldn't photo it >:(
Quote from: trident4370 on September 23, 2014, 10:20:13 PM
Personally I think once those enviros are finally refurbished, the calls to upgrade the 50 with brand new should die down a bit. As has been proved recently the BU07 Enviros look fantastic once repainted and the worn seat covers are replaced, it's just a shame that a refurb doesn't seem to stretch to some new flooring.
On an unrelated note, the white trainer merc was doing the rounds at YW today, the first time I have ever seen an 0405N at Yardley Wood!
Annoyingly though, I couldn't photo it >:(
Keep a look out for that Merc in the next month or so, you may notice something different about it!
Quote from: Tony on September 23, 2014, 10:22:36 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on September 23, 2014, 10:20:13 PM
Personally I think once those enviros are finally refurbished, the calls to upgrade the 50 with brand new should die down a bit. As has been proved recently the BU07 Enviros look fantastic once repainted and the worn seat covers are replaced, it's just a shame that a refurb doesn't seem to stretch to some new flooring.
On an unrelated note, the white trainer merc was doing the rounds at YW today, the first time I have ever seen an 0405N at Yardley Wood!
Annoyingly though, I couldn't photo it >:(
Keep a look out for that Merc in the next month or so, you may notice something different about it!
Hmmm that sounds interesting Tony, I'll keep my eyes peeled but it seems to avoid me usually!
Quote from: busfan2847 on September 23, 2014, 08:34:59 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on September 23, 2014, 06:19:59 AM
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2014, 08:52:13 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on September 22, 2014, 08:06:10 PM
I don't really like the idea of Scanias on the 3 but ok! Also the Daimler was at Duxford today, had a good thrash, good braking but slow acceleration. The best thrash from a bus older than 20 years old. Even better then one of the Metrobuses I was on.
Which Daimler? 3472 do you mean
Are there more than 2? It was 2489.
2489 is a Crossley not a Daimler
Thanks for the correction, just looked like one. It's maximum speed was 30mph.
Who actually remembers when the B10Ls, Alexander bodies just suddenly operated the 3 for a short time.
I can remember - back in 2010/2011 wasn't it? Used to be quite weird seeing them in Solihull - sadly never got a ride on them.
Oh I have Fond memories of 1509 with kickdown on the 3A being thrashed one day :P Sadly I lost all my photos just as they were being withdrawn and to this day I only have a single photo of one in service >:( Granted it was the best one, 1511. I am glad they came to YW in the end, the 3/3A was the perfect route at the time for a B10L fan like me... You'd either have a Liberator B10L, voith or zf, or an Ultra and then of course on sundays you'd have a mixture of Tridents and Enviros. The weird thing about the Ultras arrival though was for the first couple of weeks of them being at YW they were glued to the 76, then suddenly they found their place on the 2/3/3A/27!
Shame about losing the photos - really annoying when that happens.
Ultras on the 76 and 27 - would have loved for that to happen now! Miss the 2010 scene with toothpaste Omnilinks at YW, single decks on the 76, Ultras.
Haha it taught me a valuable lesson to this day everything has a backup :P I think the problem with the with B10L 76 (Liberators joined in too) was that the capacity was just not coping. I'm pretty sure there are some photos still out there somewhere.
4753 (50 route brand) passed Yardley swan 0820 with a YW engineer driving it
Never got the number but I saw a 50 branded Enviro 400 turning on to Showell Green lane from Court Road, it was not in service. By the way the Alexander B10Ls suddenly appeared in like early 2012.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on September 25, 2014, 06:50:58 PM
Never got the number but I saw a 50 branded Enviro 400 turning on to Showell Green lane from Court Road, it was not in service. By the way the Alexander B10Ls suddenly appeared in like early 2012.
It was July 2010
Second photo down was taken in 2010 if you need proof
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1317-1514/1503.html
Yeah you are right - capacity with single deckers at the 20 minute interval would be poor compared the double deckers. Even now the double deckers can be put up right up to standing only in the morning and evening peaks when the schools start and finish. The only way single decks could be used now on the 76 would be to up the frequency to every 10 minutes. Ideally they need to run a 76E from Kings Heath Park towards Solihull to cater for the KE students in the afternoon as the 3:55pm is full and has to drive past a stop or two just after King's Heath. It also has standing on the upper deck near the front. They put an extra in at 15:40pm but that hardly helps sometimes.
Quote from: Tony on September 25, 2014, 06:55:34 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on September 25, 2014, 06:50:58 PM
Never got the number but I saw a 50 branded Enviro 400 turning on to Showell Green lane from Court Road, it was not in service. By the way the Alexander B10Ls suddenly appeared in like early 2012.
It was July 2010
Second photo down was taken in 2010 if you need proof
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1317-1514/1503.html
Seems like they were operating other routes, but in the start of 2012 these were starting to take over the 3 until February.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on September 25, 2014, 07:35:22 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 25, 2014, 06:55:34 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on September 25, 2014, 06:50:58 PM
Never got the number but I saw a 50 branded Enviro 400 turning on to Showell Green lane from Court Road, it was not in service. By the way the Alexander B10Ls suddenly appeared in like early 2012.
It was July 2010
Second photo down was taken in 2010 if you need proof
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1317-1514/1503.html
Seems like they were operating other routes, but in the start of 2012 these were starting to take over the 3 until February.
Both of those photos were taken on the 3, both before February 2012!
Here is 1510 on the 3 in September 2010
Here is 1504 on the 2 (which interworked with the 3 then) in October 2010
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1317-1514/1504.html
Here is 1507 on the 2 in July 2010
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1317-1514/1507.html
The Ultras were departing by 2012. After october 2011 reverting the 2 and 3 back to deckers , that marked the end of them or the start of. I can only vouch for them until early 2012 anyway but the vehicle histories on the main site photos will tell you their story
Quote from: Liberator9 on September 25, 2014, 07:34:30 PM
Yeah you are right - capacity with single deckers at the 20 minute interval would be poor compared the double deckers. Even now the double deckers can be put up right up to standing only in the morning and evening peaks when the schools start and finish. The only way single decks could be used now on the 76 would be to up the frequency to every 10 minutes. Ideally they need to run a 76E from Kings Heath Park towards Solihull to cater for the KE students in the afternoon as the 3:55pm is full and has to drive past a stop or two just after King's Heath. It also has standing on the upper deck near the front. They put an extra in at 15:40pm but that hardly helps sometimes.
I agree completely, just a couple of weeks ago I had the mispleasure of a 76 home from solihull at around 3:45 ish, by the time it was at Shirley every seat was gone upstairs and down although a lot weren't college or school kids, just regular people. I dont often make that journey but if I had to do it everyday and it was always like that I think I'd find an alternative. The same could be said of the 49 now too some trips Ive had recently just during the daytime have been ridiculous. In a way I'm surprised GRS didnt have a crack at a 49E from maypole to solihull instead of a randomly timed Outer Circle, but that is conversation for another topic haha
It is certainly a time to avoid at around 3:45pm on the 76 - a real nightmare in both directions, It could do with either a higher frequency or some additional workings. I agree about the 49, it can be just as bad.
Quote from: trident4370 on September 26, 2014, 01:22:28 AM
Quote from: Liberator9 on September 25, 2014, 07:34:30 PM
Yeah you are right - capacity with single deckers at the 20 minute interval would be poor compared the double deckers. Even now the double deckers can be put up right up to standing only in the morning and evening peaks when the schools start and finish. The only way single decks could be used now on the 76 would be to up the frequency to every 10 minutes. Ideally they need to run a 76E from Kings Heath Park towards Solihull to cater for the KE students in the afternoon as the 3:55pm is full and has to drive past a stop or two just after King's Heath. It also has standing on the upper deck near the front. They put an extra in at 15:40pm but that hardly helps sometimes.
I agree completely, just a couple of weeks ago I had the mispleasure of a 76 home from solihull at around 3:45 ish, by the time it was at Shirley every seat was gone upstairs and down although a lot weren't college or school kids, just regular people. I dont often make that journey but if I had to do it everyday and it was always like that I think I'd find an alternative. The same could be said of the 49 now too some trips Ive had recently just during the daytime have been ridiculous. In a way I'm surprised GRS didnt have a crack at a 49E from maypole to solihull instead of a randomly timed Outer Circle, but that is conversation for another topic haha
They do 2:55 76E services for Kings Heath Boys School. I've been on the 7:58 76 service from Trittiford road and it is packed, just like how the 27 is in the morning.
the trouble is the odd extra trip here and there clearly isn't working, the route definitely needs some attention. Speaking of the 27 am I the only one who finds it bizarre that for a good two years now the 76 and 27 share the same times between Billesley and Kings Heath Park? Surely there'd be a way of combining to create a joint 10 minute from frequency.
I've noticed that as well trident4370 - it is a bit ridiculous as they both come at the same moment, offering essentially still a 20 minute service to Haunch Lane etc. The 76 needs either increasing to 10 minute frequency or more extra workings to cope with the schools - aka Bishops Challoner and KECH. w
I used to have the problem of the 27 and 76 coming at the same time, the 3 drops me off at Trittiford road at around 7:45 and the 27 and 76 are already leaving the bus stop.
4338 passed Sheldon tescos 0835 with engineer driving it
There are now some more photos of 4341 at Miller Street and at PVS on flickr.
I heard there was a little incident in Druids Heath involving a Plaxton President.
while on 4472 60 to school
4718 passed Sheldon tescos 0830 with foreign reg plate
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on October 16, 2014, 03:33:16 PM
while on 4472 60 to school
4718 passed Sheldon tescos 0830 with foreign reg plate
What do you mean by 'foreign reg plate'?
If you mean a white one with reg charactors on that is a 'trade plate' which is needed if a vehicle is being driven on the highway without either tax or valid MoT.
4718 appears to have gone to Coventry this morning, presumably for an MoT inspection, so that is where it was going when you saw it. It must have passed as it is currently out in service on the 35
Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2014, 03:42:00 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on October 16, 2014, 03:33:16 PM
while on 4472 60 to school
4718 passed Sheldon tescos 0830 with foreign reg plate
What do you mean by 'foreign reg plate'?
If you mean a white one with reg charactors on that is a 'trade plate' which is needed if a vehicle is being driven on the highway without either tax or valid MoT.
4718 appears to have gone to Coventry this morning, presumably for an MoT inspection, so that is where it was going when you saw it. It must have passed as it is currently out in service on the 35
it had a reg plate with red lettering couldn't see it that good
5 tridents on the 6 today.
Saw a toothpaste job going up the M6 yesterday.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 17, 2014, 08:29:42 PM
Saw a toothpaste job going up the M6 yesterday.
see my post in buses in service in old livery
There was 4360 on hazards by the Wake Green road junction with 4741 behind it.
1900 is out on the 6 today if anybody wants to get a pic. :)
Had a spin yesterday morning (Friday) on 1902 on the 6.
Nice to see a Walsall poster promoting changes to the X51 and 77 were still displayed.
What is the advert on 4379
Quote from: Solo1 on November 06, 2014, 07:03:46 AM
What is the advert on 4379
Have a look at the photo on the main site
1407 still hanging on as the last B10L at Yardley Wood, out on the 27 today.
1406 & 1408 have now gone to Lea Hall
Isn't the new business using lea hall then, was full of cages of clothing when I drove past Lea hall the other day? When do NXWM have to be fully out then?
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2014, 11:34:32 AM
1407 still hanging on as the last B10L at Yardley Wood, out on the 27 today.
1406 & 1408 have now gone to Lea Hall
Last B10L 1407 at Yardley Wood after 10 years.
I remember 1080 being the last lynx in 2007 hanging on a month after
Others had departed to Walsall.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 07, 2014, 05:08:32 PM
Isn't the new business using lea hall then, was full of cages of clothing when I drove past Lea hall the other day? When do NXWM have to be fully out then?
NXWM just using the yard at the rear.
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2014, 11:34:32 AM
1407 still hanging on as the last B10L at Yardley Wood, out on the 27 today.
1406 & 1408 have now gone to Lea Hall
NOOOO!! Both were in bad condition though!
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on November 07, 2014, 07:44:11 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2014, 11:34:32 AM
1407 still hanging on as the last B10L at Yardley Wood, out on the 27 today.
1406 & 1408 have now gone to Lea Hall
NOOOO!! Both were in bad condition though!
Were they? Can't be that bad they haven't been 'withdrawn' just placed in reserve.
They were fine - rode 1408 only a few weeks ago and still seemed a solid bus - credit to Wright's build quality.
I was just about to post that Liberator9, 1408 is in fantastic condition for a bus of its age!
Certainly is fantastic - prefer the Liberators by a mile compared to the Enviro 200s!
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2014, 07:46:37 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on November 07, 2014, 07:44:11 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2014, 11:34:32 AM
1407 still hanging on as the last B10L at Yardley Wood, out on the 27 today.
1406 & 1408 have now gone to Lea Hall
NOOOO!! Both were in bad condition though!
Were they? Can't be that bad they haven't been 'withdrawn' just placed in reserve.
1406 makes a horrible noise when the doors open. On most Liberator the doors are more quieter when being opened. 1408 is driven using a hole in the floor.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on November 08, 2014, 10:13:20 AM
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2014, 07:46:37 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on November 07, 2014, 07:44:11 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2014, 11:34:32 AM
1407 still hanging on as the last B10L at Yardley Wood, out on the 27 today.
1406 & 1408 have now gone to Lea Hall
NOOOO!! Both were in bad condition though!
Were they? Can't be that bad they haven't been 'withdrawn' just placed in reserve.
1406 makes a horrible noise when the doors open. On most Liberator the doors are more quieter when being opened. 1408 is driven using a hole in the floor.
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I'd love to see that. Does the driver put his feet through the hole and run frantically, like the Ant Hill Mob from Wacky Races?
Quote from: Mike K on November 08, 2014, 02:13:18 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on November 08, 2014, 10:13:20 AM
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2014, 07:46:37 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on November 07, 2014, 07:44:11 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2014, 11:34:32 AM
1407 still hanging on as the last B10L at Yardley Wood, out on the 27 today.
1406 & 1408 have now gone to Lea Hall
NOOOO!! Both were in bad condition though!
Were they? Can't be that bad they haven't been 'withdrawn' just placed in reserve.
1406 makes a horrible noise when the doors open. On most Liberator the doors are more quieter when being opened. 1408 is driven using a hole in the floor.
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I'd love to see that. Does the driver put his feet through the hole and run frantically, like the Ant Hill Mob from Wacky Races?
I dunno, that's what trident4370 said.
On my Youtube video? That was just a light hearted description of a slow driver, I also said it didn't sound like the bus was struggling!
Quote from: trident4370 on November 08, 2014, 08:32:14 PM
On my Youtube video? That was just a light hearted description of a slow driver, I also said it didn't sound like the bus was struggling!
Ah!
1407 is now at Miller Street, so Yardley Wood is a B10L free zone
Pity, I was hoping 1407 in particular would live on at Walsall for a few more months :(
Quote from: Tony on November 10, 2014, 11:19:04 AM
1407 is now at Miller Street, so Yardley Wood is a B10L free zone
R . I . P
Quote from: Tony on November 10, 2014, 11:19:04 AM
1407 is now at Miller Street, so Yardley Wood is a B10L free zone
Sad to read. One garage left to have a small number of B10Ls for a few more months. :(
Shame to have lost them at YW now - was hoping for a rare working on the 76 at some point over the last year - but that never did, or will happen now. I much prefer the Liberators to the recent Enviro 200 arrivals.
I hope Yardley Wood are involved in next years orders.
Had 4370 this morning - freshly painted in the new NX scheme - however why has the interior not been refurbished? Still has the worn out, threadbare TWM seats.
RTA at Avenue Road/Vicarage Road
76, 27, 35 and 11A/11C will be on diversion - not sure of routes they will take though. If you are going to use them this morning, best just to go up to High Street
Quote from: Liberator9 on November 11, 2014, 09:35:17 AM
Had 4370 this morning - freshly painted in the new NX scheme - however why has the interior not been refurbished? Still has the worn out, threadbare TWM seats.
They will probably replace it overtime!
For some reason 4726 has something that I don't know the name of on the back axle that other bus companies may put on the bus axles.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on December 10, 2014, 07:43:54 PM
For some reason 4726 has something that I don't know the name of on the back axle that other bus companies may put on the bus axles.
A wheel?
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on December 10, 2014, 07:43:54 PM
For some reason 4726 has something that I don't know the name of on the back axle that other bus companies may put on the bus axles.
Hubodometer.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 10, 2014, 07:49:30 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on December 10, 2014, 07:43:54 PM
For some reason 4726 has something that I don't know the name of on the back axle that other bus companies may put on the bus axles.
Hubodometer.
Thanks! Any reason why it is there?
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on December 11, 2014, 03:33:55 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 10, 2014, 07:49:30 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on December 10, 2014, 07:43:54 PM
For some reason 4726 has something that I don't know the name of on the back axle that other bus companies may put on the bus axles.
Hubodometer.
Thanks! Any reason why it is there?
To measure the Hubos ( or kilometers)
They have been in use for many years, there is one on the Midland Red CM6 coach at Wythall, it is not the sort of thing that you see these days, I must try to get a shot of it, as they are as rare as rocking horse droppings (in my view)
B10L 1432 has been converted into a trainer bus
its parked at miller street at back if anyone wants a photo
Picture of mine-https://flic.kr/p/qu6xSn
They did that one quick!
Looking good 1432 is there - can they get my old fav 1441 out of LH for that please ;D
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on December 21, 2014, 12:19:36 PM
B10L 1432 has been converted into a trainer bus
its parked at miller street at back if anyone wants a photo
Picture of mine-https://flic.kr/p/qu6xSn
Can you actually put a link on here so we can see it :)
EDIT: Cheers for that Joe :)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/16070507085/
4718 is looking very nice.
does 3225 ever get used in public service
Quote from: wembley86 on December 28, 2014, 02:18:42 PM
does 3225 ever get used in public service
Only on open days and special events
4345 was in WB this morning. Heading to Oak Lane for an MOT presumably
Arn't the best mechanics at West Bromwich,
Quote from: uniquicity on January 06, 2015, 06:30:08 PM
4345 was in WB this morning. Heading to Oak Lane for an MOT presumably
Quote from: wembley86 on January 06, 2015, 07:43:20 PM
Arn't the best mechanics at West Bromwich,
Quote from: uniquicity on January 06, 2015, 06:30:08 PM
4345 was in WB this morning. Heading to Oak Lane for an MOT presumably
No sorry, Pensnett!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 06, 2015, 08:30:10 PM
Quote from: wembley86 on January 06, 2015, 07:43:20 PM
Arn't the best mechanics at West Bromwich,
Quote from: uniquicity on January 06, 2015, 06:30:08 PM
4345 was in WB this morning. Heading to Oak Lane for an MOT presumably
No sorry, Pensnett!
err no try Mansfield recovery mechanics
Quote from: karl724223 on January 06, 2015, 08:36:17 PM
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Arn't the best mechanics at West Bromwich,
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4345 was in WB this morning. Heading to Oak Lane for an MOT presumably
No sorry, Pensnett!
err no try Mansfield recovery mechanics
:) :) :) :) :)
Watch out for 4719 out on the 35 this evening, branded for the 35
Can someone please get a picture of 4719
Hope it's not blue.
Quote from: Tony on January 21, 2015, 03:42:48 PM
Watch out for 4719 out on the 35 this evening, branded for the 35
Is anyone able to confirm what shade of blue this is? ;)
Quote from: Tony on January 21, 2015, 03:42:48 PM
Watch out for 4719 out on the 35 this evening, branded for the 35
@Tony Any ideas which others are being done, as i presume they wouldn't just brand one, and what colour is it?
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Watch out for 4719 out on the 35 this evening, branded for the 35
Is anyone able to confirm what shade of blue this is? ;)
This one?
Quote from: Tony on January 21, 2015, 09:36:13 PM
Quote from: Mike K on January 21, 2015, 09:29:09 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 21, 2015, 03:42:48 PM
Watch out for 4719 out on the 35 this evening, branded for the 35
Is anyone able to confirm what shade of blue this is? ;)
This one?
Looks smart but why on earth blue?! When the 50's blue, that's sure to just confuse potential passengers especially when the inevitable 35 branded buses end up on the 50 or vice versa... ::) :P
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Quote from: Tony on January 21, 2015, 03:42:48 PM
Watch out for 4719 out on the 35 this evening, branded for the 35
Is anyone able to confirm what shade of blue this is? ;)
This one?
Ah thanks Tony, so it's
THAT blue. Easily distinguishable from the 50, with which it shares a very busy section of its route.
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Quote from: Tony on January 21, 2015, 03:42:48 PM
Watch out for 4719 out on the 35 this evening, branded for the 35
Is anyone able to confirm what shade of blue this is? ;)
This one?
Ah thanks Tony, so it's THAT blue. Easily distinguishable from the 50, with which it shares a very busy section of its route.
Think NX have been using one of these to pick colours for their branding
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d2/4c/5a/d24c5a855a69fa7b496902366d2b6bd0.jpg)
Lol it's getting like that awful green that was put onto most routes as "branding" :P
I guess it saves money on producing colour coded network maps. The existing Network West Midlands maps are already tailor made.
Whilst appreciating that red clashes with some colours, I do wonder why they don't make more use of the options available like in the days of the 'spot' branding applied to the Presidents and early ALX400s, e.g. purple, orange, cream, silver / grey. Or what about a comeback for the brown that adorned the 94 branded T reg Mercs?
Blue... Again... Sigh...
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Blue... Again... Sigh...
Could be worse @Liverpool Street - Could be GREEN
Generic green rhombuses that didn't even match on either side of the bus let alone along the rest of the fleet!
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Blue... Again... Sigh...
Could be worse @Liverpool Street - Could be GREEN
Generic green rhombuses that didn't even match on either side of the bus let alone along the rest of the fleet!
A row of NXWM Green branding for you LS - https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/5616938341/
The next branding should be PMS 316 because it is turquoise and looks pretty green!
I thought I was the only person to detest all branding......seems not.
Wait until these shiny new-liveried buses arrive in March and see how Long before they are officially vandalised.
I asume the 50 service will gain new buses in a few months which will be using a different livery and thus different branding so the confusion with the 35 won't be an issue.
Saw one of the 35 buses with the new branding this afternoon - don't worry, they do stand out in comparison to the 50 buses. The blue is a darker royal blue shade, and is much smarter than the 50 branding. The fact the buses are in the vivid red also helps make them stand out in comparison to the faded red and light blue route 50 Enviro 400s.
I don't see what the problem is, the 900 and 957 are both different shades of green so why can't the 35 and 50 be different shades of blue?
Quote from: trident4370 on January 22, 2015, 06:37:33 PM
I don't see what the problem is, the 900 and 957 are both different shades of green so why can't the 35 and 50 be different shades of blue?
I'd like to see the branding in full before coming to assumptions. As Liberator9 said, they're different shades of blue
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 22, 2015, 06:45:46 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on January 22, 2015, 06:37:33 PM
I don't see what the problem is, the 900 and 957 are both different shades of green so why can't the 35 and 50 be different shades of blue?
I'd like to see the branding in full before coming to assumptions. As Liberator9 said, they're different shades of blue
here is 4719
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4719.html
Nothing wrong with that, it looks nice and smart.
Looks very smart, not a bad Job NX
Smart, true.... But still blue... I reckon it's NX's way of sneaking blue back into the livery, just brand every route with a different shade
Quote from: Kevin on January 22, 2015, 07:11:26 PM
Smart, true.... But still blue... I reckon it's NX's way of sneaking blue back into the livery, just brand every route with a different shade
Personally the grey hagley road branded e400s were the best branded buses. Looked so smart
Quote from: trident4370 on January 22, 2015, 06:37:33 PM
I don't see what the problem is, the 900 and 957 are both different shades of green so why can't the 35 and 50 be different shades of blue?
It's different but not significantly so, and therefore does not immediately differentiate one route from another, particularly from a distance. And let's face it route branding is supposed to give a route its own identity. The 900 and 957 are nothing like each other, they are at complete opposite ends of the green spectrum.
Whilst I agree this branding is easy on the eye, it's rapidly morphing into a modern day version of the generic green branding. At least this looks like it's been applied by professionals, not Stevie Wonder.
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I don't see what the problem is, the 900 and 957 are both different shades of green so why can't the 35 and 50 be different shades of blue?
I'd like to see the branding in full before coming to assumptions. As Liberator9 said, they're different shades of blue
here is 4719
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4719.html
Looks quite good that, the front in particular.
The read white and the little additional strip of blue looks nearly like 74 branding apart from the route and telling you where it goes
I must say that this branding does look pretty smart. A big step up from the unrefurbished Tridents that graced the route before these came over from PB
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I don't see what the problem is, the 900 and 957 are both different shades of green so why can't the 35 and 50 be different shades of blue?
I'd like to see the branding in full before coming to assumptions. As Liberator9 said, they're different shades of blue
here is 4719
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4719.html
Looks quite good that, the front in particular.
The read white and the little additional strip of blue looks nearly like 74 branding apart from the route and telling you where it goes
That was what I was thinking, the 74 & 35 don't cross routes though so that one shouldn't cause a problem
@Matt you're right
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I don't see what the problem is, the 900 and 957 are both different shades of green so why can't the 35 and 50 be different shades of blue?
I'd like to see the branding in full before coming to assumptions. As Liberator9 said, they're different shades of blue
here is 4719
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4719.html
Looks quite good that, the front in particular.
Whilst I agree it looks good, I just cant help but say - I dont like how the '3' looks on the branding. And, by any chance - does anybody know what font they use for branding now? Just curious to know.
The 50 branded buses are plastered in 24 hour stickers, so there shouldn't be too much confusion
The branded sticker on 4754 is coming off at the front.
Anyone know what is on the 84 today?
EDIT:
1909 is/was on the 84 today
The branding on the 35 service imO does look very smart and purposeful.
A few more 35s have been done now,
4725 - Florence
4724 - Belen (not a typo)
4723 - Alison
4721 - Annette
Quote from: trident4370 on January 26, 2015, 11:02:58 AM
A few more 35s have been done now,
4725 - Florence
4724 - Belen (not a typo)
4723 - Alison
4721 - Annette
I wonder if someone of a mischievous nature will add a 'd' to the name on the back of 4724.
Quote from: Mike K on January 26, 2015, 04:36:47 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on January 26, 2015, 11:02:58 AM
A few more 35s have been done now,
4725 - Florence
4724 - Belen (not a typo)
4723 - Alison
4721 - Annette
I wonder if someone of a mischievous nature will add a 'd' to the name on the back of 4724.
...how old are you again Mick? Hahaha I'm sure someone will clock a Harborne-dwelling male with a Sharpie adding the D to 4724
To be fair it'll be parked up in Hawkesley everyday, it's only a matter of time!
Quote from: Mike K on January 26, 2015, 04:36:47 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on January 26, 2015, 11:02:58 AM
A few more 35s have been done now,
4725 - Florence
4724 - Belen (not a typo)
4723 - Alison
4721 - Annette
I wonder if someone of a mischievous nature will add a 'd' to the name on the back of 4724.
Kind of behavior that people had done to Dogpool Lane by Pershore Road.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on January 26, 2015, 09:13:39 PM
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A few more 35s have been done now,
4725 - Florence
4724 - Belen (not a typo)
4723 - Alison
4721 - Annette
I wonder if someone of a mischievous nature will add a 'd' to the name on the back of 4724.
Kind of behavior that people had done to Dogpool Lane by Pershore Road.
Glad to hear that still goes on. People have been defacing the Dogpool Lane sign for decades; it used to happen when I went to junior school in Selly Park in the 1970s.
Anyway, apologies for the juvenile diversion. Back to Yarlwood garage...
What's the PVR for the 35 & 50?
4107 and 4109 on the 76.
A couple more names to add,
4720 - Orlaith
4722 - Abigail
4726 - Amelia
4727 - Vedia
Thus completing the missing BU07 names.
Funny enough I saw both of those Presidents on the 76 - not that common on the 76 on a weekday.
Quote from: Liberator9 on February 02, 2015, 07:21:06 PM
Funny enough I saw both of those Presidents on the 76 - not that common on the 76 on a weekday.
I went on 4107 and the vibration is so hard I literally fell off my seat, a common problem in Presidents, also there is this "old" kind of smell on these buses.
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Quote from: Liberator9 on February 02, 2015, 07:21:06 PM
Funny enough I saw both of those Presidents on the 76 - not that common on the 76 on a weekday.
I went on 4107 and the vibration is so hard I literally fell off my seat, a common problem in Presidents, also there is this "old" kind of smell on these buses.
I think you need to put a little weight on if vibration can make you fall off your seat. It is not a common problem on Presidents either
I rode 4107 the other day and it did make a weird sort of vibration when at idle; I can see where Ronnock1k8 is coming from. However didn't cause me to fall off the seat ;D
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Quote from: Liberator9 on February 02, 2015, 07:21:06 PM
Funny enough I saw both of those Presidents on the 76 - not that common on the 76 on a weekday.
I went on 4107 and the vibration is so hard I literally fell off my seat, a common problem in Presidents, also there is this "old" kind of smell on these buses.
I think you need to put a little weight on if vibration can make you fall off your seat. It is not a common problem on Presidents either
Most Presidents I have been on have had this problem, what I mean is the vibration moving me out of my place, a bit like when a phone vibrates on a table, it starts moving from it's position.
Funny, I travelled on 4107 and never had any issues with idle vibration.
Freshly repainted 4392 ventured out on the 6 today looking very smart
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4392.html
Tony have the seats Been re trimmed?
What buses are usually allocated to the 18? As it says in spreadsheet anything spare?
Anything from the garage really. I've seen every bus at YW on the route. I usually see ALX400's though.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 23, 2015, 07:14:50 PM
What buses are usually allocated to the 18? As it says in spreadsheet anything spare?
It can be anything
@Trident 4194, normally ALX400s or Enviros, but have seen Omnilinks and a B10L on there in the past.
Yeah - usually Tridents, with the occasional Enviro 400 or Plaxton President on there.
Well done Yardley Wood this morning who, apart from the three in repaint, sent every single Trident allocated there out in service.
To have a batch of 44 12/13 year old buses and be able to get all 44 buses in service for the morning peak with no breakdowns is quite an achievement!
@Tony I don't whether I am seeing things but when I went past 1924 (I think) on the 27 today there was a name badge fitted to the offside. Can you confirm this Tony or am I seeing things! ;) ?
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 04, 2015, 06:17:22 PM
@Tony
I don't whether I am seeing things but when I went past 1924 (I think) on the 27 today there was a name badge fitted to the offside. Can you confirm this Tony or am I seeing things! ;) ?
You will be correct, I was told one was being done, but didn't have a number or date
Quote from: Tony on March 04, 2015, 06:23:00 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 04, 2015, 06:17:22 PM
@Tony
I don't whether I am seeing things but when I went past 1924 (I think) on the 27 today there was a name badge fitted to the offside. Can you confirm this Tony or am I seeing things! ;) ?
You will be correct, I was told one was being done, but didn't have a number or date
@Tony any word on a bus named after Ron Morgan ?
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Quote from: Tony on March 04, 2015, 06:23:00 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 04, 2015, 06:17:22 PM
@Tony
I don't whether I am seeing things but when I went past 1924 (I think) on the 27 today there was a name badge fitted to the offside. Can you confirm this Tony or am I seeing things! ;) ?
You will be correct, I was told one was being done, but didn't have a number or date
@Tony any word on a bus named after Ron Morgan ?
I believe is is going to be one used on the Pershore Road when all the new deliveries/shuffles have been done
@Tony Thanks Tony - I shall keep an eye out tomorrow and Friday and see if I can see the name.
As an aside... Did randomly see a Zara bus going through Nechells on me way to work the other apparently dedicated to Ron Morgan
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 04, 2015, 06:48:20 PM
@Tony
Thanks Tony - I shall keep an eye out tomorrow and Friday and see if I can see the name.
1924 is named 'David Williams' (I had a feeling it would be), the driver that sadly died in the accident on the Stratford Road. Just missed out of a pic of it this afternoon
@JohnThanks John - haven't seen 1924 since passing it quickly the other day. Really was sad to hear when that accident happened.
Does anybody remember when all the old metros were all withdrawn from YW?
Yeah I can - used to enjoy a ride on a few of their Metrobuses down the Stratford Road, before the incoming Scanias in 2010 meant the last few could be withdrawn.
With an on coming order of the new Enviro 400 MMCs, what will happen to some of Yardley Wood's current allocation of buses ?! They have a sizable amount of Enviro 400's or will the Plaxton's make their way to Acocks Green ?!
@BusFan WB will be gaining the 57 Plate E400's currently on the 50 for Dudley Road services, think it's in the WB garage thread, Winston
Quote from: BusFan on March 21, 2015, 09:20:15 PM
With an on coming order of the new Enviro 400 MMCs, what will happen to some of Yardley Wood's current allocation of buses ?! They have a sizable amount of Enviro 400's or will the Plaxton's make their way to Acocks Green ?!
Enviros to WB!
Quote from: BusFan on March 21, 2015, 09:20:15 PM
With an on coming order of the new Enviro 400 MMCs, what will happen to some of Yardley Wood's current allocation of buses ?! They have a sizable amount of Enviro 400's or will the Plaxton's make their way to Acocks Green ?!
The current batch of E400's at YW will be transferred over WB for the 82/7 (Dudley Rd corridor). They may be only slightly younger than the Gemini's on there but will allow that corridor to have a specific batch covering the PVR (The Branded Gemini's do not cover the PVR)
Quote from: Nathan on March 21, 2015, 09:23:32 PM
The current batch of E400's at YW will be transferred over WB for the 82/7 (Dudley Rd corridor). They may be only slightly younger than the Gemini's on there but will allow that corridor to have a specific batch covering the PVR (The Branded Gemini's do not cover the PVR)
Thanks Winston
WB may be approaching bursting point then ! I take it the new 400 MMCs are for the 50
Quote from: BusFan on March 21, 2015, 09:32:04 PM
Thanks Winston
WB may be approaching bursting point then ! I take it the new 400 MMCs are for the 50
The WB allocation wont be any bigger than it is now, as it be 26 ish ex YW E400's in & 26 WB buses out (type not yet confirmed)
Yes, it has been confirmed the 50 is being upgraded with E400MMC's
Quote from: Winston on March 21, 2015, 09:35:32 PM
The WB allocation wont be any bigger than it is now, as it be 26 ish ex YW E400's in & 26 WB buses out (type not yet confirmed)
Yes, it has been confirmed the 50 is being upgraded with E400MMC's
Thanks, I personally find the 50 route to have to high a PVR.
Is Yardley Wood the only garage without an outside parking area for buses ?!
Quote from: BusFan on March 21, 2015, 09:39:49 PM
Thanks, I personally find the 50 route to have to high a PVR.
Is Yardley Wood the only garage without an outside parking area for buses ?!
The PVR for the 50 is high because the patronage is high, surely living in birmingham you'd know that
Quote from: BusFan on March 21, 2015, 09:39:49 PM
Thanks, I personally find the 50 route to have to high a PVR.
Is Yardley Wood the only garage without an outside parking area for buses ?!
I believe all of YW's fleet is all parked undercover, all other garages park some/all outside
Quote from: Winston on March 21, 2015, 09:45:08 PM
I believe all of YW's fleet is all parked undercover, all other garages park some/all outside
Some are parked right by the gate. There is a bit right next to the canal where there are buses parked there, that is outisde.
Quote from: Winston on March 21, 2015, 09:45:08 PM
I believe all of YW's fleet is all parked undercover, all other garages park some/all outside
I think there is a small outdoor patch. On one of the old fotopic sites there were pictures of YW Metrobuses parked outside.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on March 21, 2015, 09:42:09 PM
The PVR for the 50 is high because the patronage is high, surely living in birmingham you'd know that
As of now, it eludes me which is frankly shameful from my part as i'm a final year uni student although overall I just really got into buses a while back,
even then I'm sure other routes could do with the extra buses, I used to work in Kings Heath and a common sight was an Enviro 400 with only a few people on it.
I had no idea about the outside parking, I was just basing it all of an Ariel view of the garage
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on March 21, 2015, 09:47:22 PM
Some are parked right by the gate. There is a bit right next to the canal where there are buses parked there, that is outisde.
Do you mean the driveway that runs up the back on the garage i.e. the end where the engineering bays are? Never been passed late at night or on a Sunday.
Quote from: Winston on March 21, 2015, 09:45:08 PM
I believe all of YW's fleet is all parked undercover, all other garages park some/all outside
YW to me is a good old fashioned bus garage, managed to go in there briefly once when the B10L i was riding on the 27 needed to be changed, so we were taken in the front of the garage to change to an Omnilink. Then on our way, well for 1/2 mile when we broke down. YW sent us a B10L as replacement, the exact same one we had got off!
Quote from: Winston on March 21, 2015, 09:51:49 PM
Do you mean the driveway that runs up the back on the garage i.e. the end where the engineering bays are? Never been passed late at night or on a Sunday.
Yep. I remember nearly going to that bit without asking or anything.
Quote from: Winston on March 21, 2015, 09:45:08 PM
I believe all of YW's fleet is all parked undercover, all other garages park some/all outside
Most are in the garage but there are a number (around 10) parked in the 'canal' car park usually Tridents the entrance is the driveway between the garage and the canal, there are also a smaller number of Scanias parked in the other car park at the top end of the garage, the height of the entrance from the garage to the car park prohibits anything but single deckers being parked in here.
One of the new enviros branded for the 9 was in the depot this morning....SN15 LFL I believe @ 7:46......presumably type training ready for their new ones that are on order
There should be some Enviros with 50 branding removed out today
Quote from: dw1308 on March 24, 2015, 08:03:24 AM
One of the new enviros branded for the 9 was in the depot this morning....SN15 LFL I believe @ 7:46......presumably type training ready for their new ones that are on order
6103 is on loan to YW from PE for type training
See here:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=16.msg136920#msg136920
Quote from: Tony on March 24, 2015, 08:17:19 AM
There should be some Enviros with 50 branding removed out today
Does that mean that the new MMCs are not far away from arriving?
Quote from: John on March 24, 2015, 01:12:32 PM
Does that mean that the new MMCs are not far away from arriving?
I think their some time away as Pensnett haven't fully received their batch yet
Quote from: Tony on March 24, 2015, 08:17:19 AM
There should be some Enviros with 50 branding removed out today
4760 has lost it's branding.
Quote from: Nathan on March 24, 2015, 11:19:22 AM
6103 is on loan to YW from PE for type training
See here:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=16.msg136920#msg136920
6103 is at pensnett garage
6123 seen in Kings Heath heading towards YW, no branding as yet
4390 had its number plate fixed and is on the 35.
I might be going mad, but swear I saw a LED Trident on the 49 today, looked freshly refurbished and painted - heading towards Northfield around 15:50 through Solihull Lodge?
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 26, 2015, 06:23:10 PM
I might be going mad, but swear I saw a LED Trident on the 49 today, looked freshly refurbished and painted - heading towards Northfield around 15:50 through Solihull Lodge?
That might be 4390 changing routes?
Probably was it actually - thanks Ronnock1k8
Some more unbranded 50's, 4760, 4751, 4750, 4746, 4761, 4762 and 4757. That's all I know. Hopefully they get refurbished before going to West Bromwich.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on March 27, 2015, 07:49:12 AM
Some more unbranded 50's, 4760, 4751, 4750, 4746, 4761, 4762 and 4757. That's all I know. Hopefully they get refurbished before going to West Bromwich.
4747 is parked outside Walsall paint shop unbranded
Just caught a glimpse of a YW Omnilink (I think it might have been 1924) with a name on the side in red. Was too far away to make out any more details. Anyone know what this one is?
Quote from: Abluhwleh on March 27, 2015, 07:39:35 PM
Just caught a glimpse of a YW Omnilink (I think it might have been 1924) with a name on the side in red. Was too far away to make out any more details. Anyone know what this one is?
See earlier in this thread:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1790.msg134392#msg134392
It was 1927, it is on the 27 today.
Quote from: Stu on March 27, 2015, 07:44:19 PM
See earlier in this thread:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1790.msg134392#msg134392
Must have missed that somehow, thanks for that.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on March 27, 2015, 07:59:23 PM
It was 1927, it is on the 27 today.
It is 1924 as stated, not 1927
Quote from: Tony on March 27, 2015, 08:02:57 PM
It is 1924 as stated, not 1927
It was a typo, sorry about that.
Hi Tony, I was wondering how many e400s were on the 18 yesterday, and what is the pvr
Is 4747 at Walsall for repaint?
Regarding the named 47** Enviro400s currently on the 50, will their names be transferred to the new MMCs as the 47**s are leaving for West Bromwich, or will they receive new names/or no names at all?
Quote from: John on March 29, 2015, 10:49:13 AM
Is 4747 at Walsall for repaint?
Regarding the named 47** Enviro400s currently on the 50, will their names be transferred to the new MMCs as the 47**s are leaving for West Bromwich, or will they receive new names/or no names at all?
Some of the 50 branding is taking a bit of paint off, so a couple are having a visit to Walsall for temporary touch ups.
If you look at the picture of 4761 you will see the name Scarlett has been re-applied. One of Yardley Wood's new ones will be Rachel Susan, my daughter
Opinions? Brings back some blue ;) - Kinda based the blue on the current(-ly debranded) 50 branding. Except darker. Not like the 35, though. But you can't impress everybody. :-\
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122377951@N02/16801399350/in/photostream/
Quote from: clayderman on March 31, 2015, 01:44:28 PM
Opinions? Brings back some blue ;) - Kinda based the blue on the current(-ly debranded) 50 branding. Except darker. Not like the 35, though. But you can't impress everybody. :-\
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122377951@N02/16801399350/in/photostream/
Wow, amazing work! I would love this kind of colour for the new 50 branding.
some news about MMCs on 50 coming up
https://www.facebook.com/nxwestmidlands/photos/a.373247266053647.97051.204017859643256/939177269460641/?type=1&theater
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on April 01, 2015, 04:50:38 PM
some news about MMCs on 50 coming up
https://www.facebook.com/nxwestmidlands/photos/a.373247266053647.97051.204017859643256/939177269460641/?type=1&theater
Wasn't too far off with my blue branding! lol. ;)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122377951@N02/16801399350/in/photostream/
Quote from: clayderman on April 01, 2015, 06:40:00 PM
Wasn't too far off with my blue branding! lol. ;)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122377951@N02/16801399350/in/photostream/
You was about right, Brendan. Just really a thicker number 50 and a lighter blue and that's about it really. Does the real one have the Via Alcester Lanes End?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on April 01, 2015, 06:45:06 PM
You was about right, Brendan. Just really a thicker number 50 and a lighter blue and that's about it really. Does the real one have the Via Alcester Lanes End?
I'm not named Brendan, lol. Brendan's the guy who made the net, talented guy. And no, the real one has something promoting the 24hour service instead of Alcester Lanes End.
Are the MMC's out and about or is YW waiting for them to have them in numbers before sending them out ?!
Quote from: BusFan on April 01, 2015, 08:18:50 PM
Are the MMC's out and about or is YW waiting for them to have them in numbers before sending them out ?!
6124, 6125 & 6127 are currently on their way to the West Midlands :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on April 01, 2015, 08:22:22 PM
6124, 6125 & 6127 are currently on their way to the West Midlands :)
Lovely, seeing as the 50 is so common, I should be seeing 1 soon enough !
Caught my first glimpse of 1 today although it was a PE MMC.
At least four MMCs now inside Yardley Wood, could not see numbers only 6124.
On the website now stating some will support the 35.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 02, 2015, 07:32:44 PM
On the website now stating some will support the 35.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/new-buses-on-the-50?utm_source=homebanner&utm_campaign=new-buses-on-the-50&utm_medium=image
Would be nice to have the likes of the 76 and 18 having a few on instead of the 35 which already has refurbished 07 Enviro 400s on it.
Quote from: Liberator9 on April 02, 2015, 10:22:38 PM
Would be nice to have the likes of the 76 and 18 having a few on instead of the 35 which already has refurbished 07 Enviro 400s on it.
No doubt they may get the odd one on those routes, if the PE ones are anything to go by!
That's true :) Hopefully that will happen!
Will the Plaxtons be moving out anytime soon ?!
I assume they'll eventually be replaced by Trident cascades or Enviro 400 cascades. Perhaps some of the current Enviro 400s at WA may move to YW after the new Platinum MMCs arrive.
I just found it slightly peculiar that YW were shifting out comparatively new Enviros than the old Plaxtons.
Quote from: BusFan on April 02, 2015, 10:36:13 PM
I just found it slightly peculiar that YW were shifting out comparatively new Enviros than the old Plaxtons.
It's not YWs decision what happens, National Express decide on the movement of buses between garages, they inform YW on the bus numbers to go and YW have to do it! Otherwise you would get garages shifting there most troublesome buses out and keeping all the best for themselves.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 02, 2015, 10:38:48 PM
It's not YWs decision what happens, National Express decide on the movement of buses between garages, they inform YW on the bus numbers to go and YW have to do it! Otherwise you would get garages shifting there most troublesome buses out and keeping all the best for themselves.
The more I think about routes such as 18, 49, 76 kind of benefit Plaxtons as they can't go into the City Centre. The logic is always their !
Quote from: BusFan on April 02, 2015, 10:43:24 PM
The more I think about routes such as 18, 49, 76 kind of benefit Plaxtons as they can't go into the City Centre. The logic is always their !
With NE you have to remember that plans are subject to change, not long ago it was mooted that the PE Enviro 400s (4800 etc) were to be swapped with the same number of older Enviros from YW to try and even out the mileage. A few PE Enviros went to WA for repaint before the swap only for the plans to change and the swap never took place.
Full list of 6123-48 names are now on the main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html
Wow, so Clayderman's MMC paper bus thing wasn't really off with the colour. Didn't the National Express website say that 17 of the buses will be branded?
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on April 04, 2015, 10:20:06 PM
Wow, so Clayderman's MMC paper bus thing wasn't really off with the colour. Didn't the National Express website say that 17 of the buses will be branded?
I have listed 17 as branded!
I notice 6129's rear is not branded.
@Tony - Silly question, but: Will they not brand the back then? It'll be a plus, in my opinion - I do like natural light in my buses. You can also see (or rather not see) any branding through the top rear window in 6128's picture, but here's 6129: (the bus parked in front of 6125)
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6125.html
Quote from: Tony on April 04, 2015, 10:47:22 PM
I have listed 17 as branded!
I have quadruple checked it and on your website it was 19. They said 9 which was ticket branded and I counted 7 as ticket branded.
Ronnoc1k9 is right - 19 according to the fleetlist to have route 50 branding. Nice photos of them though - looking forward to seeing them out in service.
Quote from: clayderman on April 04, 2015, 10:54:40 PM
I notice 6129's rear is not branded. @Tony - Silly question, but: Will they not brand the back then? It'll be a plus, in my opinion - I do like natural light in my buses. You can also see (or rather not see) any branding through the top rear window in 6128's picture, but here's 6129: (the bus parked in front of 6125)
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6125.html
6129 may have been awaiting branding at the time of the photo.
Quote from: Nathan on April 04, 2015, 11:11:17 PM
6129 may have been awaiting branding at the time of the photo.
Possibly. But if so, then I guess so was 6128. On another subject, likewise with the 9 advertising "places of interest", if you will, like Barclaycard Arena, Sea Life Centre, Halesowen Cornbow, etc... - Any ideas what, or rather, where the 50 could (be) advertise/ing? My thought would be that the Coach Station in Digbeth will be mentioned, surely...
Any MMCs on 50 today?
according to NXWMs facebook a few will be out
Two Evie rose named buses 9/50
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on April 05, 2015, 08:03:37 AM
Any MMCs on 50 today?
according to NXWMs facebook a few will be out
None out yet
Quote from: Liberator9 on April 04, 2015, 11:00:57 PM
Ronnoc1k9 is right - 19 according to the fleetlist to have route 50 branding. Nice photos of them though - looking forward to seeing them out in service.
Only 17 now.
None have come out to play today
Thanks for changing that Tony - hopefully some will come out tomorrow. They look great in the new livery.
Quote from: Liberator9 on April 05, 2015, 10:57:10 AM
Thanks for changing that Tony - hopefully some will come out tomorrow. They look great in the new livery.
Second that, as I am planning to go down to Wythall tomorrow, it would be nice to see some of these on the 50 on my way there and back!
Quote from: karl724223 on April 05, 2015, 09:25:13 AM
Two Evie rose named buses 9/50
Then again, there are two buses named 'Scarlett' - both will soon be together at WB. They are (YW) 4761 & (WB) 4980, btw...
Quote from: clayderman on April 05, 2015, 02:58:30 PM
Then again, there are two buses named 'Scarlett' - both will soon be together at WB. They are (YW) 4761 & (WB) 4980, btw...
If 4761 transfers over, am sure they will dename it!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 05, 2015, 03:06:58 PM
If 4761 transfers over, am sure they will dename it!
If so, seems almost a bit of a waste re-applying 'her' name after debranding from the 50. Well, for the short time it's left at YW, don't you think so?
Quote from: clayderman on April 05, 2015, 08:26:46 PM
If so, seems almost a bit of a waste re-applying 'her' name after debranding from the 50. Well, for the short time it's left at YW, don't you think so?
True, but what is the point of transferring vehicles to WB with names that mean things to YW drivers?
When are MMCs due to enter service?
Saw 6127 parked in the row near the door of YW garage this afternoon - visible from the road - don't appear to be any in service today on the 50.
I seen 1901 on the 6 today and it had almost like burn mark on just underneath driver side window, I think it was by the tire of the bus.
Is anything up with 6124?
All of 6123 and 6125-30 are taxed according to Gov.uk vehicle check, but 6124 hasn't appeared yet.
Is SN15LGM the correct reg? Can't see it on Tony's pic of it in YW
https://www.flickr.com/photos/99180483@N03/16796180187
6124 appears to have 6125 reg. SN15 LGM SEEMS TO HAVE DISAPPEARED?
Just saw 6124 turning by Moor Street Station
Seen.6123 outside its final stop and what a sight
6125 has now come out as well
6129 is now out as well, passed me about 2-3 mins ago, near Moseley
All of 6123-9 now in service
Quote from: Tony on April 08, 2015, 04:31:19 PM
All of 6123-9 now in service
Here is Alex's photo of 6125 after we alighted at Maypole.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127701512@N04/17080326211/#
I got 6123 and 6125 at digbeth yesterday
6125 SN15LGU- https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/16890407638/
6123 SN15LGL- https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/17052264816/
MMCs on 50 09/04/15
6128
6123
6126
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on April 09, 2015, 09:20:16 AM
MMCs on 50 09/04/15
6128
6123
6126
6125 was too, got on it to Kings Heath this morning
Sampled both 6125 and 6126 this afternoon. Great to see 6126 without any rear branding, and made the upper deck noticeably brighter.
Lots of looks from passers by at the new buses, they definitely stand out.
Is YW still awaiting more MMCs or have they all arrived ?!
Quote from: BusFan on April 09, 2015, 08:33:30 PM
Is YW still awaiting more MMCs or have they all arrived ?!
Unless any have come this afternoon, they only have 7, with 19 more to come.
Quote from: BusFan on April 09, 2015, 08:33:30 PM
Is YW still awaiting more MMCs or have they all arrived ?!
Check the main site i think its 6123 to 6149 they are getting 26
Quote from: Chris2301 on April 09, 2015, 08:51:24 PM
Check the main site i think its 6123 to 6149 they are getting 26
That's 27 mate, it's up to 6148.
Quote from: JoNi on April 10, 2015, 09:13:53 AM
1901 on 3 is this unusual these days?
@JoNi, not that unusual, Omnilinks do venture onto the 2 & 3 from time to time, there was one on the 3 the other evening also.
Thanks Stu, wasn't sure as it's a journey I don't normally, but appreciate things are in a state of flux.
Quote from: Stu on April 10, 2015, 06:12:57 PM
@JoNi, not that unusual, Omnilinks do venture onto the 2 & 3 from time to time, there was one on the 3 the other evening also.
I saw 1928 or something.
Quote from: Gareth on April 09, 2015, 08:50:38 PM
Unless any have come this afternoon, they only have 7, with 19 more to come.
According to the NXBus website
"A total of 26 brand new double decker buses
have arrived at our garage in Yardley Wood with 17 vehicles branded for route 50." but we know how reliable there information is!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 10, 2015, 09:25:07 PM
According to the NXBus website
"A total of 26 brand new double decker buses have arrived at our garage in Yardley Wood with 17 vehicles branded for route 50." but we know how reliable there information is!
They still say the 55 is at BC !
I think their deliveries are in progress
6130 & 6132 on the 50 at Moor St in the early afternoon
Looks like 6130-2 have all been delivered looking at vehicle check
6130 & 6132 are on the 50 today both seen at Moor Street this afternoon
6132 had the tow truck come out to it at 18.30 at queensbridge school doesnt look ver good a new bus waiting to be towed !!!
6126 and 6127 out on 50 today
Assume all the old 50s have been debranded then ;)
6131 on 50 service https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16990421930/
I saw some people branding a MMC inside YW garage.
6132 is on display outside Kings Heath church, parked there with some NX people from what I could see when going past on 6124.
6134 is in service on the 50
4357 going is interesting. Thought the 26 MMCs would be a straight swap for 26 E400s.
6135 0n the 50 this morning.
Should have been some more deliveries to Yardley Wood yesterday, haven't seen confirmation of how many or thir actual arrival yet
Quote from: Eric Shaw on April 20, 2015, 09:33:12 PM
6135 0n the 50 this morning.
here is 6135 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/17257845145/
I still have never noticed anything on 4369, saw it on the 18 yesterday and I saw it on the 2. The only thing was a shiny wheel, apologies if this does seem to get annoying.
6139 on the 50.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on April 25, 2015, 05:47:47 PM
6139 on the 50.
As is 6138. 6131 seen returning to garage between 11 and half past.
First Enviro 400MMC to arrive at Carlyle for accident repairs 6131 O/S Rear Wheel Arch and Emergency Door.
Observed at Moor Street yesterday on the 50 were 6123-25/27-30/32/34-39 between 10:00 & 12:00.
1931 passed through Sheldon (with engineer) around 11:45/11:50 heading towards Coventry (for MOT I think) with 27 Hawkesley showing on destination display.
6140 & 6141 now at Yardley Wood, and branded, may be out tomorrow.
6142 & 6143 also on way down
Anybody know what the route is for the 49 to Solihull from Land Rover? I assumed it was straight up Lode Lane, Staion Rd and loop the town centre, but I just saw one going down Hampton lane?
Didn't take the scumbags on the 50 long to etch the hell out of the windows on the MMC's! 6128 and 6135 both have substantial amount of etching on the upper deck towards the rear.
In other News, 6142 and 6143 both in traffic today
Quote from: Nathan on May 02, 2015, 12:46:21 PM
Didn't take the scumbags on the 50 long to etch the hell out of the windows on the MMC's! 6128 and 6135 both have substantial amount of etching on the upper deck towards the rear.
In other News, 6142 and 6143 both in traffic today
Seen none on any of Pensnetts, not saying it hasn't happened but they still look good.
Wouldn't surprise me on the 50 - tend to be a mess by the afternoon with litter on the floors. The 9 probably has better clientele.
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 02, 2015, 07:03:06 PM
Wouldn't surprise me on the 50 - tend to be a mess by the afternoon with litter on the floors. The 9 probably has better clientele.
The 9 isn't as bad as the 50. Tbf I feel equally as safe on both. But the 9 still gets it's share of s""mbags
Quote from: Tony on April 30, 2015, 08:55:54 PM
6140 & 6141 now at Yardley Wood, and branded, may be out tomorrow.
6142 & 6143 also on way down
6142 & 6143 in kings heath https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/17138268457/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/17159436039/in/photostream/
Window etchings, with mmc,s being fitted with quick release windows they should,nt stay etched for long, ADL say 3 minutes to change a window pane, while etched pane is out it could easily be repaired for use again. Different story if front one is etched.
Quote from: 2900 on May 03, 2015, 10:11:40 AM
Window etchings, with mmc,s being fitted with quick release windows they should,nt stay etched for long, ADL say 3 minutes to change a window pane, while etched pane is out it could easily be repaired for use again. Different story if front one is etched.
how would it be repaired?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on May 03, 2015, 10:43:45 AM
how would it be repaired?
They would take out the inside bonding, unscrew the screws that hold the window and then take the windows out and replace it.
Quote from: BU07 LGO on May 03, 2015, 10:43:45 AM
how would it be repaired?
All nx bus windows, and most other companies, have a thin layer of plastic coating on them which is what gets etched, not the glass, you just heat it up removed the damaged plastic and replace it, every bus repainted at Walsall has every window done
Window etching does seem to be on the rise again at west brom, some of the dark tinted presidents looking a real mess upstairs now.
Quote from: Matt on May 03, 2015, 10:45:39 AM
Repaired not replaced
I thought they would replace it.
Yardley Wood tend to get rid of any etching pretty quick - soon as they get a chance sure they'll replace the plastic covering. The covering is pretty effective; 1912 was etched on one window a few months ago - was only left on it for about two weeks and not a mark left on the actual window.
Thought i'd post this here as i'm not sure if its noteworthy or not
1923 has just past me on Carrs Lane on the 2
6132 has lost (or maybe it didn't have it in the first place) the branding over the upper rear window. The rest of it is there, just not the bit over the window.
1923 has had its front end panels all repainted in vivid red - logo replaced as well. Kept the silver light surrounds however - looks very smart in comparison to the rest of the red on the sides!
Me and my friend spotted some 35 branded Enviros debranded from the front bumper.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on May 08, 2015, 04:07:27 PM
Me and my friend spotted some 35 branded Enviros debranded from the front bumper.
4720. Hopefully the branding gets replaced soon
Any news on delivery of the last of the batch of MMCs? I'm presuming they've all arrived now?
Quote from: don on May 10, 2015, 11:24:19 AM
Any news on delivery of the last of the batch of MMCs? I'm presuming they've all arrived now?
No still 5 to come, Falkirk was on holiday last week
I assume the last 5 MMCs will arrive some point by the end of this week in that case.
Reckon two MMCs have arrived for YW - passed two this morning heading southwards around 8am in Kings Heath - displaying NX Bus on the front and had no branding applied.
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 14, 2015, 11:52:04 AM
Reckon two MMCs have arrived for YW - passed two this morning heading southwards around 8am in Kings Heath - displaying NX Bus on the front and had no branding applied.
Three have arrived today with the other two arriving by the weekend
Took a quick shot of 6145 in Kings Heath.
@Tony Thanks - good to hear :)
6705 seen on the A38 just outside Lichfield heading for Birmingham at 14:10.
Quote from: broma1k on May 15, 2015, 03:37:36 PM
6705 seen on the A38 just outside Lichfield heading for Birmingham at 14:10.
Shouldn't this be in the BC Thread ;)
Quote from: Tony on May 18, 2015, 03:29:55 PM
Possibly, but I cannot tell, 6144 - 6148 are all entering service today, but are not tracking yet and I cannot see them. I know 6145 & 6146 were allocated to two of the last out 50 boards and 6144 has since come out as a change bus for 6125 also on the 50, but I have no idea where 6147 & 6148 are
No problem
@Tony all I'm told by a younger relative was "a posh bus which was all red went past" and the only route which serves this area was either a school bus or the 49.
Decent picture for the first off route mmc? Or has they been around other routes already?
@Liverpool Street One was reported as being on the 18 the other day
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1567.msg143957#msg143957
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Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 18, 2015, 03:37:11 PM
No problem @Tony all I'm told by a younger relative was "a posh bus which was all red went past" and the only route which serves this area was either a school bus or the 49.
Decent picture for the first off route mmc? Or has they been around other routes already?
@Liverpool Street I have an idea - that MMC may have been on a board which first of all does the 7:20am 76E from Solihull to Kings Heath. Then I think it goes onto the school service 863, which overlaps parts of the 49 route. At least it used to do that - it changed slightly this year - last year it used to do a trip or two on the 2/3 after its 863 run - thus had Tridents allocated usually. But this year has always been E400, so assume it ends up going onto the 50. If there is a morning 878 journey then it may well do that, as it heads off in that direction. That board has an Enviro 400 allocated all this year, usually the 2007 ex 50 E400s; e.g last week it was 4739 and 4740 bar Friday. Of course with them having left, bar the few occasions where 4730, 4729 step in, it is likely that board from now on will be an MMC now that YW has enough MMCs to cover all the 50 boards. That would be a good shout as to why - will be able to check myself on Thursday as I usually get that 76E.
Seeing an MMC on the 6 just seems awfully wrong ! I can't imagine such a good looking bus going through Sparkbrook/Hill. It'll be a magnet for hooliganism
Quote from: BusFan on May 18, 2015, 08:13:40 PM
Seeing an MMC on the 6 just seems awfully wrong ! I can't imagine such a good looking bus going through Sparkbrook/Hill. It'll be a magnet for hooliganism
Have you not seen where the 50 goes? Highgate, Maypole & Druids Heath.
That's equally a s***hole. In fact worse!
Quote from: BusFan on May 18, 2015, 08:13:40 PM
Seeing an MMC on the 6 just seems awfully wrong ! I can't imagine such a good looking bus going through Sparkbrook/Hill. It'll be a magnet for hooliganism
If it stays on there for more then a week, I wouldn't be able to imagine the litter on it.
Quote from: MW on May 18, 2015, 08:15:38 PM
Have you not seen where the 50 goes? Highgate, Maypole & Druids Heath.
That's equally a s***hole. In fact worse!
I've never been so I can't so anything for that but the 6 on that route is just wrong.
I hope for the best when I'm on a bus that goes through there
Quote from: BusFan on May 18, 2015, 08:18:27 PM
I hope for the best when I'm on a bus that goes through there
Maybe I'm being ignorant, but would you care to explain why?
And also if you could tell me your local main routes, just so I can understand the contrast?
Quote from: BusFan on Today at 08:13:40 PM
Seeing an MMC on the 6 just seems awfully wrong ! I can't imagine such a good looking bus going through Sparkbrook/Hill. It'll be a magnet for hooliganism
ronnoc1k8 link=topic=1790.msg144484#msg144484 date=1431976579
If it stays on there for more then a week, I wouldn't be able to imagine the litter on it.
Two fairly silly comments
The morons who vandalise buses won't go chasing a new bus just to vandalise it (by the way the new single decks will be going through Sparkbrook!)
And as for litter NXWM do employ cleaners!
Quote from: MW on May 18, 2015, 08:21:58 PM
Maybe I'm being ignorant, but would you care to explain why?
And also if you could tell me your local main routes, just so I can understand the contrast?
Many a time I've been on a bus that goes through there and I've seen things thrown at the bus, teens coming onto the bus making noise, kids misbehaving. Maybe it's just my bad luck.
I live in Stechford so it just occurred to me to take the 11C down and the 6 from there which is a good journey. I'm a frequent user of the 97 (Since I was a kid and I've just finished my final year of uni) and I'd say 9 out of 10, it's a good journey but it isn't without it's troubles.
Personal Experiences of course.
Quote from: BusFan on May 18, 2015, 08:31:20 PM
Many a time I've been on a bus that goes through there and I've seen things thrown at the bus, teens coming onto the bus making noise, kids misbehaving. Maybe it's just my bad luck.
That kind of thing happens everywhere, not just in Sparkbrook.
Sparkbrook, like the Soho Road, is one of these 'pre-defined misconceptions'. It might not be a particularly nice area, but I work there, I don't encounter any trouble while walking around (and I probably stand out like a sore thumb when surrounded by Somalis lol), and its not as bad as many people might like you to believe. If you're simply on a bus passing through, you'll rarely encounter any trouble. But you'll get 'undesirables' on most bus routes everywhere, as Tony alluded to in another comment here, the problem is the way some people are brought up.
Believe me, from my own personal experiences, I've encountered worse anti-social behaviour on buses in Solihull, a supposedly 'nice area'. There are bad people everywhere, not just in the 'rough areas'.
Quote from: Stu on May 18, 2015, 08:39:52 PM
That kind of thing happens everywhere, not just in Sparkbrook.
Sparkbrook, like the Soho Road, is one of these 'pre-defined misconceptions'. It might not be a particularly nice area, but I work there, I don't encounter any trouble while walking around (and I probably stand out like a sore thumb when surrounded by Somalis lol), and its not as bad as many people might like you to believe. If you're simply on a bus passing through, you'll rarely encounter any trouble. But you'll get 'undesirables' on most bus routes everywhere, as Tony alluded to in another comment here, the problem is the way some people are brought up.
Believe me, from my own personal experiences, I've encountered worse anti-social behaviour on buses in Solihull, a supposedly 'nice area'. There are bad people everywhere, not just in the 'rough areas'.
Happens with my school, my school has a lot of children which just rush in without paying and hide behind the students whilst at it, most drivers don't really care. There is this certain driver which would switch the bus off and call the police/inspectors, whenever they notice the driver on the shift they would get a football and smash it against the bus and start banging on the bus door, there has been water balloon fights, newspaper fights, near fights with the public and vandalism with my school.
Agree with Stu and Tony on this - sorry Busfan but that is just ridiculous - how can the MMC on the 6 look wrong - I use the 6 most days of the week and rarely encounter any issues - only issues I've had are at Robin Hood Island and at Cranmore rather than Sparkbrook! Why should the majority of people who are law abiding citizens lose out due to a handful of mindless vandals?
The Scanias on the 6 are in pretty good condition and usually pretty clean anyway. As Stu says there can undesirables on any route - had some issues on the S2/S3 round by me before including the emergency exit begin opened and lager cans being thrown out of the window.
I take on board what everyone is saying, it's just I remember this 1 time, I was on a Omnilink in Sparkbrook and these teens came in and noise just ensued. I kept that in my head and the more I think, my last couple of journeys down there have been some what pleasant.
Quote from: Stu on May 18, 2015, 08:39:52 PM
the problem is the way some people are brought up.
This applies to the minority who do mess about and cause trouble on buses, but also certain individuals on this very forum in their views, on routes like the Stratford/Coventry/Alum Rock/Washwood Heath corridors.
I don't want to label the issue here, but my personal opinion is some people need to broaden their horizons, not just in the bus world, but, it seems, the real world. I'm not picking on BusFan here, I'm just making an example, because you can detect similar views on other people's comments too. I believe
@Gareth (I think) briefly tackled this issue, maybe a couple of years ago when he said the 8A/8C and 14 are perfectly fine routes.
I am expecting some backlash to this controversial topic, so just to reiterate, this is my personal opinion on the matter based on what I've seen.
Quote from: BusFan on May 18, 2015, 09:49:17 PM
I take on board what everyone is saying, it's just I remember this 1 time, I was on a Omnilink in Sparkbrook and these teens came in and noise just ensued. I kept that in my head and the more I think, my last couple of journeys down there have been some what pleasant.
It's been a long time since I took a bus through Sparkhill, so I'm not qualified to comment, but I was under the (possibly incorrect?) impression that the 6 and 37 were converted to single deck operation due to antisocial behaviour along that section of the route.
Or was that not the reason? Single deckers seem a strange choice for such busy corridors.
Quote from: Mike K on May 18, 2015, 10:17:39 PM
It's been a long time since I took a bus through Sparkhill, so I'm not qualified to comment, but I was under the (possibly incorrect?) impression that the 6 and 37 were converted to single deck operation due to antisocial behaviour along that section of the route.
Or was that not the reason? Single deckers seem a strange choice for such busy corridors.
I believe that was the reason as I've seen it mentioned in a number of posts
Think it was due to anti-social behaviour - the arson attack on 4341 was a good example why it makes sense the 6 and 37 are single deck. Never really had any problems along there though - as MW says just a small minority cause hassle along any route really.
Quote from: Mike K on May 18, 2015, 10:17:39 PM
It's been a long time since I took a bus through Sparkhill, so I'm not qualified to comment, but I was under the (possibly incorrect?) impression that the 6 and 37 were converted to single deck operation due to antisocial behaviour along that section of the route.
Or was that not the reason? Single deckers seem a strange choice for such busy corridors.
And there was competition when they were converted, so an increase in frequency done at the same time as conversion also succeeded in beating that.
I have driven over 400 different routes and the worst routes to drive for trouble are very rarely the ones mentioned on here where people sterotype the residents on them as troublemakers. I have posted before I always enjoy driving the 14 and get far more 'Thank yous' on there than a lot of supposed 'better' routes
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 18, 2015, 10:26:32 PM
Think it was due to anti-social behaviour - the arson attack on 4341 was a good example why it makes sense the 6 and 37 are single deck. Never really had any problems along there though - as MW says just a small minority cause hassle along any route really.
Not really as the bus wasn't on either route and the culprits didn't live on either route!
Quote from: Mike K on May 18, 2015, 10:17:39 PM
It's been a long time since I took a bus through Sparkhill, so I'm not qualified to comment, but I was under the (possibly incorrect?) impression that the 6 and 37 were converted to single deck operation due to antisocial behaviour along that section of the route.
Or was that not the reason? Single deckers seem a strange choice for such busy corridors.
I think primarily it was due to anti social behaviour, and I'm not sure, but the frequency may have been increased on both. In recent years, from what I've seen, there's much less anti social behaviour on these routes anyway, maybe it's due to the increased revenue checks and police presence, particularly at the Aldi stop.
Of course there was a Trident set on fire on Stratford Road recently as well, which is a bit of an anomaly, and ironically it was outside Aldi! Nobody is saying the area is perfect. But think about it like this. Nobody compares Erdington to Sparkbrook (the recent bus fire). There was a fire in West Brom a few years ago aswell wasn't there, one of the Presidents I think.
I think the conclusion to this debate is that yes all these areas do have its share of shady characters, but to tar the whole area off isn't correct. Don't forget, there's four other routes serving Sparkbrook which are Double Deck operated. (2, 3, 5, 31).
@Tony My mistake Tony - it was on the 2 wasn't it - keep thinking it was on the 6 as where the bus caught fire was where the 2 overlaps the 6 on the Stratford Road. Makes sense what you say regarding the routes - catch the 50 a fair bit and find the users on there sometimes have better manners than on some of the Solihull routes (E.g S2).
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 18, 2015, 10:36:47 PM
@Tony
catch the 50 a fair bit and find the users on there sometimes have better manners than on some of the Solihull routes (E.g S2).
And I leave you and those reading with the phrase "Don't judge a book by its cover" or "Don't judge a bus by its area (served)"
I hope this debate has made people think.
Quote from: MW on May 18, 2015, 10:44:57 PM
And I leave you and those reading with the phrase "Don't judge a book by its cover" or "Don't judge a bus by its area (served)"
I hope this debate has made people think.
Hopefully Michael over the next few months you can give us your driver's views of the delights (or otherwise) of all AG routes, including those that serve Sparkhill / Sparkbrook. And I don't disagree with you - most routes have their problems, it's the nature of the large urban area that is the West Midlands.
The Bristol Road is still full of the scourge of the earth though. Drive it for as many years as I did and you'll soon see its true colours. No, not meaning Jubilee Line branding either.
And this closes the debate.
Back to Yarlwood discussion.
Some YW Enviros have lost their front logos, I've only seen 4729 and 4730 with a lost logo at the front.
Think 4729/4730 have had them reapplied - had them last week and pretty sure they'd had logos.
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 20, 2015, 07:50:08 PM
Think 4729/4730 have had them reapplied - had them last week and pretty sure they'd had logos.
Saw 4729 today, no logo.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on May 20, 2015, 01:40:16 PM
YW|6138|2|Seen on Stratford Road around 07:53
YW|Scania|3|Seen on Yardley Wood Road at around 08:11
YW|6144|2|Seen on Yardley Wood Road at around 08:04
YW|4729|2|Seen on Yardley Wood Road at around 08:12
Seems like Yardley Wood is having a weird allocation day.
AG|1932|5|Seen on Stratford Road at 15:23.
@ronnoc1k8 I saw 1926 this evening on the 3 in Sparkbrook, don't know if it was the same one you saw this morning.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on May 20, 2015, 08:17:32 PM
Saw 4729 today, no logo.
Ahh right - sorry
@ronnoc1k8 , obviously imagining things :)
Quote from: Stu on May 20, 2015, 08:21:02 PM
@ronnoc1k8 I saw 1926 this evening on the 3 in Sparkbrook, don't know if it was the same one you saw this morning.
Yes it probably is.
@Liberator9 It is alright, it is really weird, I'll try and find out.
@ronnoc1k8 Thanks - hope they reapply it soon - they re did 4756's logo and have repainted the front panels of 1923 (but left the silver light panels), so would be weird if they didn't do a simple logo job on 4729.
Anyone after the plain e400 mmc (6148) its on the 50. It looks nicer than branded. But i don't mind the branded ones as it suits the bus
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 21, 2015, 01:01:15 PM
Anyone after the plain e400 mmc (6148) its on the 50. It looks nicer than branded. But i don't mind the branded ones as it suits the bus 6148 n brum
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/17989793616/in/dateposted-public/
Quote from: Solo1 on May 23, 2015, 10:24:27 PM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/17989793616/in/dateposted-public/
I love the gay pride flags over it. NX likes to camp up the buses during pride. I remember pride 2013 i was there and there was a b7rle camped up it looked awesome
Are buses inside YW easily visible from the outside
Quote from: BusFan on May 23, 2015, 10:39:38 PM
Are buses inside YW easily visible from the outside
Yeah, but they're all lined up so you'll see the ones at the front. Also depends what time you go.
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 23, 2015, 10:34:13 PM
I love the gay pride flags over it. NX likes to camp up the buses during pride. I remember pride 2013 i was there and there was a b7rle camped up it looked awesome
I can't see what you're talking about. 'Camp up'? Its a PCV vehicle.
6148 is out on 50
if anyone wants a picture
passed digbeth 0740 to Druids
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 24, 2015, 02:06:40 AM
I can't see what you're talking about. 'Camp up'? Its a PCV vehicle.
There another picture on that flicker account "stan jack" with an e400 mmc that has gay flag put up in the windows. used in pride event in birmingham
@Ashley 60171 I only usually see E400's on the 49 on a Sunday.
So YW has lost 4738-4762 to WB (minus 4759 which will go soon I'm sure) as well as 4799 to PB, and 4357-4359 to PE. In have come 6123-6148. So that's 26 in and 29 out. Doesn't seem fair?
John
Quote from: John Stait on May 26, 2015, 06:46:26 PM
So YW has lost 4738-4762 to WB (minus 4759 which will go soon I'm sure) as well as 4799 to PB, and 4357-4359 to PE. In have come 6123-6148. So that's 26 in and 29 out. Doesn't seem fair?
John
Hi John, surely someone as experienced in the industry as you are knows there is more to transfers.
When the MMCs started arriving three Tridents were at Walsall paintshop being refurbished, there is currently zero!
6148 in Moseley Road with hazards on, minor damage rear after being hit by vehicle from behind.
Quote from: JoNi on May 27, 2015, 12:46:14 PM
6148 in Moseley Road with hazards on, minor damage rear after being hit by vehicle from behind.
People surprise me how they manage to hit or try to walk in front of something so big & easy to see as a double decker bus or even a single decker. So another MMC possibly off the road needing to be repaired onsite or at works.
Thanks Tony!
The Trident refurbs hadn't even crossed my mind!
It all makes sense now.
Hope you're well.
John
photo of 6123 & 6124 photo will follow later https://flic.kr/p/toFaz5
6123: https://www.flickr.com/photos/127701512@N04/17984454999/
6124: https://www.flickr.com/photos/127701512@N04/18167133982/in/photostream/
4091 on the 2 picture: https://www.flickr.com/photos/97592007@N08/17649721003/
Might aswell plug my picture of 4091 too!
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/trident_4609/18266239851/
If you are on flickr, please feel free to favourite :)
4343 has a TWM Kneeling Bus sticker next to the passenger door. Did somebody find one in a cupboard? Hope its left on as a reminder of the era.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on May 31, 2015, 03:16:20 PM
4343 has a TWM Kneeling Bus sticker next to the passenger door. Did somebody find one in a cupboard? Hope its left on as a reminder of the era.
A few Coventry buses also have this sticker I noticed last week, B7RLEs 2157, 2172, 2164 and 2177 I know have, and I think there were some deckers too
Quote from: John on May 31, 2015, 03:22:33 PM
A few Coventry buses also have this sticker I noticed last week, B7RLEs 2157, 2172, 2164 and 2177 I know have, and I think there were some deckers too
A lot of new to Dundee buses have Travel West Midlands stickers inside
4369 with advert for home sense Bc has 1 as well https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/18304670979/in/dateposted-public/
Quote from: Solo1 on June 05, 2015, 03:43:13 PM
4369 with advert for home sense Bc has 1 as well https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/18304670979/in/dateposted-public/
Yes it is 4445 as I have been on it a lot on the 70 on me travels
I passed a blue branded MMC on the Expressway yesterday heading inbound, with trade plates. Pretty sure it was 6131 (Wasn't that one reported with RTC damage?)
Quote from: John on June 05, 2015, 08:10:13 PM
I passed a blue branded MMC on the Expressway yesterday heading inbound, with trade plates. Pretty sure it was 6131 (Wasn't that one reported with RTC damage?)
Yes, on the way back from Carlyle to YW after bodywork repairs where it was hit on the offside by a Diamond bus
6123 has lost its ticket branding on the upper deck window already (Its been like that for a few weeks now). It reminded me when I saw it on the 2 this afternoon. Must have had a replacement screen
Quote from: John on June 14, 2015, 08:18:55 PM
6123 has lost its ticket branding on the upper deck window already (Its been like that for a few weeks now). It reminded me when I saw it on the 2 this afternoon. Must have had a replacement screen
I've noticed that too, from a far distance is looks like 6147 & 6148 until you see the halo around the dests.
My first visit to Birmingham for many years today:
4374 - 35
4382 - 6
I like the new liveries too.
Ahh thankyou! I was wondering if there was at least a couple of DD boards on the 6, and I knew the 73 wasn't high frequency so 4031 would be fine, just nice to see it! Seen 4806 & 4812 too, very smart indeed.
4610 on the X64 sounds far from healthy!
Quite an interesting allocation on the 76 - 6 out of the 7 are Presidents (could well be 7 actually) today - had 4098 - nice change to the Tridents!
6144 stuck on hill just before Warstock Lane with hazards on earlier, not looking very well.
6148 on the 50 today.
Just seen 4698 on the 2 to Maypole. Is that unusual?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 29, 2015, 07:50:12 AM
Just seen 4698 on the 2 to Maypole. Is that unusual?
yes it is as main allocation for YW 2 is Tridents
@Michael Bevan
6146 working No.6 route in Blossomfield Rd at 14.15 going towards Solihull.
6123 operated a 49E from Solihull around 9am
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 29, 2015, 07:50:12 AM
Just seen 4698 on the 2 to Maypole. Is that unusual?
It is sort of unusual, YW does have a weird allocation for the 2 and 3 a lot of the time. They put a Scania on the 3 today.
One thing I have noticed a out the new enviros is how the build quality is not as it should be as I noticed on 6137 which had a ebs fault and a egr fault even though it is only a few nonths old......sort it out ADL
6134 also has engine issues and egr issues as its on the 50 at the moment in the city centre, yet again ADL having problems with build quality
Engine issues would be down to cummins as its there engine fitted in the back all this new tech they keep fitting to engines to comply with emissions euro 5 and 6 just a nightmare, my mates tell me the issues with emission related problem that come through his garage daily are a joke. Costly to fix as well.
Quote from: 2900 on June 30, 2015, 11:33:41 AM
Engine issues would be down to cummins as its there engine fitted in the back all this new tech they keep fitting to engines to comply with emissions euro 5 and 6 just a nightmare, my mates tell me the issues with emission related problem that come through his garage daily are a joke. Costly to fix as well.
Ah yeah I completely forgot that tbe engines were cummins units so thanks for reminding me :)
Although the one thing that annoys me is the stairwell is a bit low for me as im over 6 foot tall haha so I have to bend backwards a bit
@Demonstrator4698 4365 was on the 35 only last week, the 1st if I remember rightly.
Is 4729 on the 6 noteworthy as i don't know the usual allocation of the 6s. If so seen on Stratford road going towards solihull at 13.15
Quote from: Chris on July 15, 2015, 01:15:57 PM
Is 4729 on the 6 noteworthy as i don't know the usual allocation of the 6s. If so seen on Stratford road going towards solihull at 13.15
@Chris Usual allocation on the 6 is Omnilinks with Tridents appearing. The NXWM Google vehicle allocation sheet link is posted on the top of the 'Noteworthy Workings' thread every month for reference
Quote from: Winston on July 15, 2015, 01:20:27 PM
@Chris Usual allocation on the 6 is Omnilinks with Tridents appearing. The NXWM Google vehicle allocation sheet link is posted on the top of the 'Noteworthy Workings' thread every month for reference
Sorry
@Winston i will double check that sheet before posting next time. I forgot where to find it
Noticed 6147 on the 50 yesterday appears to have a couple of damaged lower offside body panels. First one I've actually seen with any RTA damaged. Looked a little shabby so hopefully they'll sort it out soon.
News from Yardley Wood: "they're scrapping all of the plaxton presidents that run the 49 and also current buses that are based there now will not be there soon. They're transferring them to new garages in the west Midlands." Its what i've heard!
@Demonstrator4698 How is an OmniLink on the 6 noteworthy?
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on July 29, 2015, 12:42:54 AM
News from Yardley Wood: "they're scrapping all of the plaxton presidents that run the 49 and also current buses that are based there now will not be there soon. They're transferring them to new garages in the west Midlands." Its what i've heard!
i will be very surprised if that's true. Who told you?
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on July 29, 2015, 12:42:54 AM
News from Yardley Wood: "they're scrapping all of the plaxton presidents that run the 49 and also current buses that are based there now will not be there soon. They're transferring them to new garages in the west Midlands." Its what i've heard!
That's even news to the people who do the allocations!
Of course there is no date mentioned, so it will be correct at some point
Its a shame in a way as some are in much better cosmetic condition that the unrefurbished b7 alx. Though I can't speak from a mechanical perspective and I am rather fond of the b7 alx!
6144 was on the 3 today.
@dw1308 a enviro 400mmc on the 35 is not noteworthy.
@2206 my patch is chelmsley wood so not familiar with YW allocations mate sorry
Quote from: dw1308 on July 31, 2015, 10:38:29 PM
@2206 my patch is chelmsley wood so not familiar with YW allocations mate sorry
Personally I think it's kinda in the middle, it's not common/every day but it's not rare lol
Are Scanias on the 2/3 normal?
Quote from: dw1308 on July 31, 2015, 10:38:29 PM
@2206 my patch is chelmsley wood so not familiar with YW allocations mate sorry
Usual allocations to all NXWM services can bee seen here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/tZHoQDUm1HwOAZvQhE50A5A/htmlview
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 31, 2015, 10:49:15 PM
Are Scanias on the 2/3 normal?
I seen that one on the 2/3 today too and personally I find it unusual, but I don't mention anything on the noteworthy section because it upsets certain members, and their egos come in to play and then they throw a b*tchfit and scream and shout it's not noteworthy. But yeah in my eyes it is lol.
Quote from: MW on July 31, 2015, 10:52:51 PM
I seen that one on the 2/3 today too and personally I find it unusual, but I don't mention anything on the noteworthy section because it upsets certain members, and their egos come in to play and then they throw a b*tchfit and scream and shout it's not noteworthy. But yeah in my eyes it is lol.
I know that feeling!
Quote from: MW on July 31, 2015, 10:52:51 PM
I seen that one on the 2/3 today too and personally I find it unusual, but I don't mention anything on the noteworthy section because it upsets certain members, and their egos come in to play and then they throw a b*tchfit and scream and shout it's not noteworthy. But yeah in my eyes it is lol.
They do appear every so often but I wouldn't really find it noteworthy. As for that explanation, I can not put it better myself.
Bottom line is what I find noteworthy, will differ from you guys in some ways. The concept of noteworthy is unusual, but it's unusual for you, the enthusiast/spotter.
MMC on the 35 for example. If I saw one in real life, I would probably give it a second look, because I (yes me) find it interesting. Eclipse2 on the 37, another one that I would find noteworthy, whereas others might not. I've never read the spreadsheet so I don't know what the allocations on the 37 are, but every few days there probably is an Eclipse2 on the 37 (less often now with the new buses).
I'm not sure if my point is coming across, but if we all had notebooks, we'd have different things we'd find noteworthy. If I went to Wolverhampton and saw a hybrid on the 59 (I always see this get mentioned on here for some reason) I'd probably find it noteworthy in my own personal notebook, simply because I've a) not seen it before in real life and b) under the impression the Hybrids were for the 1 (before anyone gets political, I'm sure it's probably because there's spares at certain times or whatever it is) but to reiterate it's still noteworthy to me.
The Omnicitys at PB. Any route they are on, personally I'd find it noteworthy and interesting because they are a small batch and I don't see them often (as I'm from a different part of the city).
We've all got different perceptions of what we find interesting, and in this hypothetical scenario, we've all got separate notes.
I understand you also get some retarded comments in the section I.e a Trident on the 126, and I understand that you've got to draw the line somewhere, and having a noteworthy section probably is pointless in the grand scheme of things if you take my open view, but I think people need to tone down a little.
You always get that know-it-all guy who'll probably attack you and "between the lines" say Go f*** yourself, you haven't got a clue on what's noteworthy.
I dunno that's my thoughts, make what you will about them people, though I expect this comment will be removed.
It did say somewhere on the NX website that the MMC's would also cover the 35.
@MW i can see where you are coming from with noteworthy workings. There are some workings that may be noteworthy to some but not others (Such as B7RLE's on the 205 or Tridents on the 9). Hybrids are on the 59 every day (Despite a lack of them for a number of weeks up until a few weeks back). Works like the 24 does at BC, Spare hybrids are used on there. Irrelevent info but on Sunday's they are the booked type on the 59. If anyone is unsure of this then it does state on the spreadsheet! I think it needs a complete overhaul tbh. The info on there is getting too complicated IMO.
Anyway......
I've noticed several MMC's are missing parts of their rear branding. Will this be replaced anytime soon as it looks out of place
Quote from: Nathan on July 31, 2015, 11:50:15 PM
It did say somewhere on the NX website that the MMC's would also cover the 35.
@MW i can see where you are coming from with noteworthy workings. There are some workings that may be noteworthy to some but not others (Such as B7RLE's on the 205 or Tridents on the 9). Hybrids are on the 59 every day (Despite a lack of them for a number of weeks up until a few weeks back). Works like the 24 does at BC, Spare hybrids are used on there. Irrelevent info but on Sunday's they are the booked type on the 59. If anyone is unsure of this then it does state on the spreadsheet! I think it needs a complete overhaul tbh. The info on there is getting too complicated IMO.It says here spare MMC's would cover the 35
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/new-buses-on-the-50/
Anyway......
I've noticed several MMC's are missing parts of their rear branding. Will this be replaced anytime soon as it looks out of place
Yeah I've noticed some that some are missing rear branding - this is an argument why they'd be better off just leaving most of the buses in plain really.
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 01, 2015, 06:33:16 AM
Yeah I've noticed some that some are missing rear branding - this is an argument why they'd be better off just leaving most of the buses in plain really.
6126 is missing half of its branding from the back, at least the people from the top deck can see behind now. 6123 is missing the branding on its top deck front window, from a far distance you will probably mistake it as 6147/8.
With 4698; 4107; 4732; 6125 & 8 tridents the 18 has a nice variety today!
@nxwmbusfan1999 a Enviro 400 MMC on the 35 is not unusual. Spare MMC are used on the 35
@Demonstrator4698 The 35 route doesn't require upgrading as it gets the brand new Enviro 400 MMC on the occasion journey with fairly good nick Enviro 400s normally allocated to it. As to whether NX plan on upgrading the route, who knows, sounds unlikely but you never know
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on August 15, 2015, 10:40:52 PM
Will the 35 bus route be receiving any upgrades to the current buses or will new buses be ordered to put on. Its about time the 35 received a bus upgrade.
We were only upgraded a year ago... I'd say the 2, 3, 31, 61/63, 65, 67, 126 etc. were all due first!
@Demonstrator4698 It had an upgrade last year - Went from a bunch of mainly unrefurbed Tridents to freshly refurbished Enviro 400s from PB. Then spare MMCs are also used on it. That will do it well for the years to come. More a case of dealing with the issue that the 2/3 in a year or two will need Euro 4 (or 5?) buses on it, as the City Centre emissions rules tighten up - assume some E400s would come in again from another and replace the Presidents.
@Demonstrator4698 no it is not got upgraded with 2007 Enviro 400 in late 2013 have you seen the age of he veichles used on the 65, 67, 94, 126, Bristol Road.
And 24hr 97 using 12 year old next year 13 years old tridents!
This years new buses were ordered for the
9, 50, 71, 72, 243, 244, WN E200 routes , CV 2 and 3 Infact spare MMC from the 50 are used on the 35
Only buses being released this year now are
E400 MK1 to CV and 5 to a still unknown destination
E400 MK2 61 plates from WA to PB 13 plates WA to BC
And single decks from AG witch are not any good for the 35
Plus Geminis from WA to?
Really is going to be transfer mayhem! My guessing is:
I assume the 13 plates from WA to BC will ensure the 45/47 is totally E400
The 61 plates may perhaps kill off the ALX400s at PB
The upper number AG Scanias seem to be going to WB - whether some will go to WA? Other garage is YW - perhaps upgrade the 2/3?
The AG B7s go to WN to replace the last B6s.
Geminis from WA go to AG/Dundee.
Could see 1905-1907 leave PB for WA or YW?
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 15, 2015, 11:17:05 PM
Really is going to be transfer mayhem! My guessing is:
I assume the 13 plates from WA to BC will ensure the 45/47 is totally E400
The 61 plates may perhaps kill off the ALX400s at PB
The upper number AG Scanias seem to be going to WB - whether some will go to WA? Other garage is YW - perhaps upgrade the 2/3?
The AG B7s go to WN to replace the last B6s.
Geminis from WA go to AG/Dundee.
Could see 1905-1907 leave PB for WA or YW?
PN got some mercs need replacing so i assume the b7lres will be divided equally between the two garages.
I think the no 35 e400s will probably go crimson next so the 47** series e400 will be all crimson/Coventry's Sky Blue
AG won't have enough B7s to replace both Mercs at PE and B6s at WN - assume some Tridents being freed up at BC in the 44XX range may kill off the Mercs eventually.
Very much doubt the 35 E400s will get Crimson next - they were only refurbed last year. YW's next refurb lot will likely be the Scanias which need a retrim inside really now.
This is just an assumption but I think the 2/3 will get Scania's as they're becoming a weekly sighting.
@ronnoc1k8 I have that feeling as well - the routes will need emissions compliant buses in the near future, and the 3 could certainly make do with single deckers. Would free up Tridents to replace the last of the Presidents at YW as well.
The 2 and 3 were previously run with single-decks (B10Ls) but were upgraded to doubles following passenger complaints about excessive overcrowding.
Unless passenger numbers have dropped considerably, I can't see them both being downgraded back to singles again, certainly in the evenings the double decks are passing through Sparkbrook from city with full loads when I see them.
Quote from: Stu on August 16, 2015, 11:24:32 AM
The 2 and 3 were previously run with single-decks (B10Ls) but were upgraded to doubles following passenger complaints about excessive overcrowding.
Unless passenger numbers have dropped considerably, I can't see them both being downgraded back to singles again, certainly in the evenings the double decks are passing through Sparkbrook from city with full loads when I see them.
Haven't frequencies been cut since then as well though? Seem to remember every 15 on each of them
Yeah they were cut - each of them used to be every 15 mins - still got the timetable from 2010. Afraid whenever I see them during the day they could cope with singles, would just need a decker on a peak board for the peaks.
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 16, 2015, 11:44:40 AM
Yeah they were cut - each of them used to be every 15 mins - still got the timetable from 2010. Afraid whenever I see them during the day they could cope with singles, would just need a decker on a peak board for the peaks.
So they need double decks then! Unfortunately nobody has invented a top deck that can just appear at certain times and if you swap singles for doubles in the peak where do the singles go?
Fair enough - I meant more the fact just have an extra running board or two in the morning/evening on the 2 and 3 - just to provide a higher peak frequency. However I do see the issue that would require extra buses, and extra drivers...plus I'm merely working from observations as opposed to actual statistics. Probably nothing wrong with the Tridents on there for the time being, until the emissions rules tighten up.
I was in Druids Heath earlier and noticed the 49 is every 15 minutes throughout the night. When did this happen and why the sudden increase in frequency?
Quote from: 37351ml on August 19, 2015, 11:30:15 PM
I was in Druids Heath earlier and noticed the 49 is every 15 minutes throughout the night. When did this happen and why the sudden increase in frequency?
Someone has made a error when printing the timetables so, the answer to that is never
According to the 49 timeable its every 30 mins one is the full route and the other is an E working on an evening
Noticed today 6148 has gone from Bethia Kate to just Kate.
4218 - 49
If anyone is interested for old times sake,
Pretty rare one - keep forgetting that one is at BC when the ones around it are all at CV!
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 30, 2015, 07:09:13 PM
Pretty rare one - keep forgetting that one is at BC when the ones around it are all at CV!
It's at YW now.
@Liverpool Street Thanks - will have to keep a look out for it now.
Watch out for something different on the 6 tomorrow
Quote from: Tony on August 31, 2015, 08:29:21 PM
Watch out for something different on the 6 tomorrow
Like What ?
Looking forward to seeing this - Crimson Scania, 4368 coming out, or some unusual working....I'll guess a Scania Omnicity double decker. Probably be totally wrong :D
I'll guess either a plain 65 plate E200 MMC ;) or more likely a BY scania to cover for 1926.
Even then they are vehicles which have already been on the 6. The OmniCity I'd like to see ! May be its a vehicle which is temporarily at YW like when an Enviro 400MMC was at AG a small while back
Quote from: trident4370 on August 31, 2015, 10:14:00 PM
I'll guess either a plain 65 plate E200 MMC ;) or more likely a BY scania to cover for 1926.
Won't be a plain 65 plate Enviro 200MMC only one of them and it is 71/72 branded :)
Maybe a AG Scania Omnilink or 2202/3/4/5
Quote from: 2206 on August 31, 2015, 10:44:07 PM
Won't be a plain 65 plate Enviro 200MMC only one of them and it is 71/72 branded :)
Maybe a AG Omnilink
haha I know, just a bit of wishful thinking ;) I suppose it could still be 2201 or 2202
Quote from: trident4370 on August 31, 2015, 10:46:21 PM
haha I know, just a bit of wishful thinking ;) I suppose it could still be 2201 or 2202
2201 is out of service at Carlyle bus and coach
@trident4370
Quote from: Tony on August 31, 2015, 08:29:21 PM
Watch out for something different on the 6 tomorrow
Wild guess - some sort of demonstrator - perhaps a Wright Streetdeck?
Quote from: Tony on August 31, 2015, 08:29:21 PM
Watch out for something different on the 6 tomorrow
Only odd sight I saw was a Trident on there, a 436* I think, but there nothing really different about that as Tridents are regular on the 6 anyway.
@AV4248 If it had an LED display, and bright lights inside, then that would've been 4368
And YW have wasted no time in getting 4367 into service - out on the 6 now. Sounding a bit different to other Tridents though due to some clicking kind of sound from the diff maybe.
If Tony can confirm it will still be around at around 2PM then I will have a look.
4367 should next leave Birmingham around
11:03 heading towards Solihull
Quote from: Tony on August 31, 2015, 08:29:21 PM
Watch out for something different on the 6 tomorrow
Did anyone see what it was? No posts of anything different or unusual. Or did whatever it was not happen?
Well only thing I saw of any interest was 4367 - unless I missed something.
Quote from: Stu on September 02, 2015, 07:39:17 PM
@nxwmbusfan1999 Tridents are not uncommon on the 6
E400's do sometimes appear on the 6.
Don't forget YW are a scania down, deckers on the 6 will probably be a daily occurrence for a few weeks.
Lately the 3 has been getting a weird allocation, for 3 days straight I've been having different buses instead of the usual trident, 4732 on Monday, 6145 on Tuesday and 4731 today. It's quite weird, would've noted 6145 but I couldn't access the site.
11/09/15 6147
4729 is on the 18 today
4339 seems to have a slightly wonky display.
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on September 14, 2015, 04:55:17 PM
YW|6147|SN15 LHU seen this morning on the 35 from HillMeads to Birmingham City Centre. First time seeing this bus on the 35. Its usually 6123 or 6144 on the 35 regularly
Spare Enviro 400 MMC are used on the 35 6147 is a Enviro 400 MMC. Not unusual to have one on the 35.
6147 has been on the 35 before anyway, I have even photographed it! It was also on the 2 last week.
@Demonstrator4698 Caught 4218 on the 6 last Tuesday (8th) - nice bus it was.
I've actually done quite well in getting the new arrivals by luck - had 4367 on its first day at YW, then 4366, then had 1932 earlier this week. Just 1933 to get and then 4368 when it eventually comes over to YW! 4367 is a good one - makes an unusual noise though, but is fast.
Quote from: Liberator9 on September 17, 2015, 09:15:04 AM
@Demonstrator4698
Caught 4218 on the 6 last Tuesday (8th) - nice bus it was.
I've actually done quite well in getting the new arrivals by luck - had 4367 on its first day at YW, then 4366, then had 1932 earlier this week. Just 1933 to get and then 4368 when it eventually comes over to YW! 4367 is a good one - makes an unusual noise though, but is fast.
Can I just ask why 4218 on the 76 is noteworthy?
John, it's not noteworthy to me or you. Probably is to the guy who posted, and that's the flaw with this thread. I actually was running with it when it was on the 2 and I was on the 37 a couple days ago, and it was two days in a row.
Yeah it's not noteworthy at all - think the poster was just making the point that it was the first time he'd seen 4218 on the 76. Certainly see your point
@MW - different people have different ideas of what it is noteworthy.
Quote from: Liberator9 on September 17, 2015, 02:34:08 PM
Yeah it's not noteworthy at all - think the poster was just making the point that it was the first time he'd seen 4218 on the 76. Certainly see your point @MW - different people have different ideas of what it is noteworthy.
4218 has spent a long time at YW before this current spell
Yeah it did - left YW in 2012 IIRC. Think the poster didn't know that.
If anyone is looking for 4218 it is on the 49 today
Any news on how 1926's repairs are going? And will it make a trip to the paintshop for Crimson repaint?
4098 has made it to Miller St - shame!
I was outside the garage yesterday attempting to get a nice view and I asked a driver how many buses were inside (In an attempt to make conversation) and he said over 500 !
YW is 137 lol
Quote from: Tony on September 21, 2015, 02:10:11 PM
No it isn't
I was going off the number that winston wrote on the transfers thread
Quote from: Chris on September 21, 2015, 02:35:40 PM
I was going off the number that winston wrote on the transfers list
Oi don't blame me! :P
It's now 136 which includes 4029 if allocated
Quote from: Winston on September 21, 2015, 02:40:03 PM
Oi don't blame me! :P
It's now 136 which includes 4029 if allocated
Sorry
@Winston , you were the source of the information 8)
In theory all this:
1896-904/9-17/19-33; 3225; 4029/89-97/104/6-7/9; 4333-35/37-40/42-45/60-95; 4698; 4718-32; 6123-48 (136 excluding preserved 3225).
But, at the time, I guess some of YW's allocation were in service!
Quote from: Chris on September 21, 2015, 02:41:21 PM
Sorry @Winston , you were the source of the information 8)
With the 137 total, I had 4218 as allocated to YW, obviously that's now gone back in place of 4368
Quote from: paulb1973 on September 21, 2015, 02:45:00 PM
In theory all this:
1896-904/9-17/19-33; 3225; 4029/89-97/104/6-7/9; 4333-35/37-40/42-45/60-95; 4698; 4718-32; 6123-48 (136 excluding preserved 3225).
But, at the time, I guess some of YW's allocation were in service!
4029 still hasn't actually arrived, but yes that is correct until the next changes
I only posted the comment for light hearted purposes ! I had a broad idea but I was just staggered he said over 500 !
YW|1909 on the 49 towards pool farm
Just seen on Networck West Midlands that from November 2nd the 899 will be withdrawn.
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/1November.aspx
Was out by YW and I found it was surprisingly busy (For a Sunday) with buses waiting at 1 point to the end of Yardley Wood Road, then I remembered the RWC.
Point of interest, I saw 4731 waiting and I noticed what appeared to be some bodywork missing from the top left of the bus (Under the rail) the top deck window even seem to have cracks in it.
Anyone know what happened ?!
Looks like it may of hit a large overhanging tree branch with some speed for that amount of damage
Quote from: John on September 27, 2015, 10:13:53 PM
Looks like it may of hit a large overhanging tree branch with some speed for that amount of damage
Judging from the damage, it must have hit the tree itself !
There was a Enviro 400MMC on the 899 today
possibly 6144 but, it was to far away to tell which one it was
Quote from: 2206 on September 29, 2015, 09:42:46 PM
There was a Enviro 400MMC on the 899 today
possibly 6144 but, it was to far away to tell which one it was
And a trident on the 885. No idea what's going on with these routes and who's running them now.
Quote from: MW on September 29, 2015, 11:45:00 PM
And a trident on the 885. No idea what's going on with these routes and who's running them now.
Yardley Wood are now running the 899
@MW but, Networck West Midlands says it will be withdrawn 1st November.
Strange to hear there was a Trident on the 885 the NX website still says AG operate it?
Quote from: 2206 on September 29, 2015, 11:49:37 PM
Yardley Wood are now running the 899 @MW but, Networck West Midlands says it will be withdrawn 1st November.
Strange to hear there was a Trident on the 885 the NX website still says AG operate it?
I wouldn't think too much into it, their website still says BC operate the 55 !
I don't think MMC's on the 2/3 are classed as noteworthy any more as I've had 6124 today, 6147 yesterday and many MMC's for the past few weeks.
I think the answer is that they don't but does anyone know if any of the Trident boards on the YW6 stay out to do late nights? 4 on there today including 4392 & 4395.
Thanks
Since when are MMCs on the 50 unusual unless it's different for 50A.
6123 on 18 today. 6130 saw Not in Service in the Kings Norton area.
Quote from: Liberator9 on September 18, 2015, 03:02:01 PM
Any news on how 1926's repairs are going? And will it make a trip to the paintshop for Crimson repaint?
1926 is stripped down, but awaiting new parts before re-assembly. Rumours of its demise are far from accurate
@Tony Thanks for the update - didn't think it would meet its demise yet.
Have YW got 4041 yet?
4698 on the 50 today
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on October 12, 2015, 05:15:52 PM
4698 on the 50 today
Weren't YW told they can't use Tridents on the 50 ?
Whilst it's chassis is possibly more Trident than the later E400's. It's still an E400.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on October 12, 2015, 05:15:52 PM
4698 on the 50 today
I saw it on the 35 early in the morning.
4719 is currently at Miller Street with it's headlight panels off. Any idea why?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 13, 2015, 04:32:11 PM
4719 is currently at Miller Street with it's headlight panels off. Any idea why?
VI or MOT
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 13, 2015, 04:32:11 PM
4719 is currently at Miller Street with it's headlight panels off. Any idea why?
Headlight panel wasn't off when I picked up 4065
Quote from: Tony on October 13, 2015, 04:53:34 PM
Headlight panel wasn't off when I picked up 4065
When is it due to leave?
I'm pretty sure I saw a 50 branded Enviro 400MMC on Five Ways this morning, around 9:30, made its way onto Ladywood Middleway. Don't know where it was heading.
Just seen 6131 get towed away. A 14 branded ALX400 went before it. Any idea what's happened?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 16, 2015, 02:20:33 PM
Just seen 6131 get towed away. A 14 branded ALX400 went before it. Any idea what's happened?
The Trident had hit the O/S rear end of 6131
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dofartshavelumps/22034491420/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dofartshavelumps/22232950891/
Quote from: John on October 16, 2015, 05:44:54 PM
The Trident had hit the O/S rear end of 6131
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dofartshavelumps/22034491420/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dofartshavelumps/22232950891/
Wow, same coincidences twice, 6131 being hit on the rear again, a trident taking its panels off by scraping on an MMC again. What's the funny business lol?
Consecutive Tridents on the 6 tonight leaving the City just after 18:00, 4380 followed closely by 4367.
6148 was on the 3.
And a Trident each on the 35 and 50 too.
Quote from: John Stait on October 16, 2015, 10:13:31 PM
Consecutive Tridents on the 6 tonight leaving the City just after 18:00, 4380 followed closely by 4367.
6148 was on the 3.
And a Trident each on the 35 and 50 too.
6123 on the 3 too.
Where is 4340 lately? I cannot seem to find.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 12, 2015, 07:13:38 PM
I saw it on the 35 early in the morning.
4698 is a tricky bus to catch because you never know what route it will turn up on. its my favourite E400 and it sounds amazing. its such a shame that next year, euro 2's and euro 3 buses aren't allowed into the city centre.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 19, 2015, 07:26:08 PM
Where is 4340 lately? I cannot seem to find.
good question ? has anyone seen 4340 anywhere ?
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on October 20, 2015, 10:29:58 AM
good question ? has anyone seen 4340 anywhere ?
Coventry garage today!
Just been over there for MoT
4360 on the 6 today.
Does anyone know if the tridents at yw are having there security screens down ive seen a few with them down now.
6148 on the 849 today. Is this usual allocation?
Quote from: Jaysnerz007 on October 29, 2015, 11:27:29 PM
Does anyone know if the tridents at yw are having there security screens down ive seen a few with them down now.
Shouldn't do. That's against NX policy
@Tony
Ive noticed a few with them down 4373 and 4334.
They look to be adjustable on the tridents they have a bolt but it seems to have been modified so it wont move
4340 has finally got a front logo.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on November 03, 2015, 03:38:38 PM
6148 on the 849 today. Is this usual allocation?
Yes it is as its operates off a 50 running board.
Any updates on how 1926 is doing? Thanks
4728 on 49 today
With 4092, 6148 and at least 4 Tridents on the 6 today, are Yardey Wood short of OmniLinks at the minute?
Plus, can anyone say whether 4732 was on the 72 this evening as someone on Facebook is adamant that it was?
Quote from: John on November 16, 2015, 07:39:20 PM
With 4092, 6148 and at least 4 Tridents on the 6 today, are Yardey Wood short of OmniLinks at the minute?
Plus, can anyone say whether 4732 was on the 72 this evening as someone on Facebook is adamant that it was?
Funny you should say that
@John , I saw an e400 near the wheatsheaf around 5:40, and am sure it had 72 on the rear display, I thought it may have been the BC73 with a typo on the rear display!
YW|4368 involved in a crash near wheelers lane, Alcester RD South. I was on this bus when it happened. service 76. the rear right hand side panel from the bumper had been torn off by a driver of a grey ford focus. the driver didn't see 4368 indicating so the driver of the ford was pulled over. the driver of 4368 took details from the driver of the ford and is now going to report this. it took place from 07:55-08:00. engine also shutdown at 08:01. The bus driver had to get everyone off 4368 and we were told to wait for another 76 which ended up to be 1909 as a back up bus.
Looks like 4371 on the 72, there must be a journey operated by YW
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on November 18, 2015, 06:03:56 PM
Looks like 4371 on the 72, there must be a journey operated by YW
It's probably loaned over to AG
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on November 18, 2015, 07:00:44 PM
It's probably loaned over to AG
Or as said, YW may operate a trip on the 72. There have been several sightings of YW vehicles on there.
Did see either 6147 or 6148 passing Coventry Road towards Sheldon this morning at 0850
any idea of where it was going
@Tony ?
Saw 6147 or, 6148 following at the Swan this morning
Following the 11A route going towards Stechford
Dose anyone know were it was going?
Quote from: James4368 on November 24, 2015, 09:12:52 AM
Did see either 6147 or 6148 passing Coventry Road towards Sheldon this morning at 0850
any idea of where it was going @Tony ?
http://wmbusphotos.com/Other%20Buses/LineUp.html
Quote from: Tony on November 24, 2015, 10:19:38 PM
http://wmbusphotos.com/Other%20Buses/LineUp.html
@Tony ,That's a great photo, who would I need to contact for permission to use it on my Facebook page/website? :D
Saw 4719 by the Swan this morning following the 11A route
Saw it on Yardley Road near the Library
Dose anyone know were it was going?
Why are MMC's on the 2/3 becoming so common?
@Tony
There is a E400 on the YW 76 today
Couldn't see the fleet number possibly 4698?
Quote from: 2206 on December 06, 2015, 01:52:02 PM
There is a E400 on the YW 76 today
Couldn't see the fleet number possibly 4698?
4698 is on the 49, but it could be 4728-4732.
Quote from: Ronnoc on December 06, 2015, 05:00:31 PM
4698 is on the 49, but it could be 4728-4732.
Thanks for the information must have been one of 4728 - 4732 then
Quote from: 2206 on December 06, 2015, 05:04:27 PM
Thanks for the information must have been one of 4728 - 4732 then
No it is 4698!
The 49 & 76 interwork on Sundays
Quote from: Tony on December 06, 2015, 05:16:21 PM
No it is 4698!
The 49 & 76 interwork on Sundays
Thanks for the information
6147 at Severn Valley railway today. Is this tacho'd?
Quote from: BN on December 06, 2015, 07:18:33 PM
6147 at Severn Valley railway today. Is this tacho'd?
Yes 6147 is tacho'd. 6148 is too i think.
So the little S*7t who throw a brick through the window of the 18 injuring a female passenger has handed himself in.
Has the Scania/bridge height being lowered issue on the 27 sorted now? I know the issue on the 5 has been at Robin Hood Lane.
Has anything replaced withdrawn 4107? And how is 1926 coming along? Crimson maybe for the 6?
John
YW| 1934 (BX10 ACU)
15:36-15:42 - No Relief driver turned up Kings Heath.
35 - Hawkesley
4722 (BU07 LGY) turned up at 15:48. Everyone was told to get off 1934 & get onto 4722
(Back-up Enviro) as still no driver turned up to swap with the current driver of 1934.
Quote from: Nathan on December 22, 2015, 02:08:50 PM
I've seen a photo on Facebook of 1911 on YW50?
It's YW's Christmas bus, people have reported it on different "noteworthy" routes with a driver wearing a santa costume.
There seems to be a Trident E400 on the 50. Too far to ID, but i'm having a shot in the dark by guessing it's 4728. Note: it is unbranded.
Quote from: clayderman on December 22, 2015, 03:45:43 PM
There seems to be a Trident E400 on the 50. Too far to ID, but i'm having a shot in the dark by guessing it's 4728. Note: it is unbranded.
It's 4732
6146 is on the 18 today.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on December 23, 2015, 03:11:40 PM
6146 is on the 18 today.
you often get mmc's on the 18. I usually see 6148 & 6147 on the 18 at around 15:30 at best. Other mmc's will pop-up as well.
Quote from: Wright liberator on January 02, 2016, 03:44:51 PM
Mega rare 6145 on rt6 just left Birmingham 15:38/40
Not the common allocation, no - so I guess it is noteworthy in that manner. Although, MMCs do appear on the 6 once in a while, I find.
6145 is on the 6 again today.
Noteworthy, yes. 'Mega rare', no. ;D
I've seen quite a few MMCs on the 6 recently; there was a couple on it on New Year's Eve.
Quote from: BU07 LGO on January 04, 2016, 05:34:06 PM
...and today!
I think 6145 was the one I saw this morning in Sparkbrook.
6146 was the one.
Thanks for that, and I realise Tridents are used on there, but 8 in one day is fairly unusual though, usually 3-4 on there.
John
Which 72E journey is operated by YW from Solihull around 4-5pm?
6148 is on the 6
And 6124
Sorry for probably enquiring for what is the 1000th time, but how's 1926 doing? Last time I heard it was up at Carlyle.
Quote from: Liberator9 on January 10, 2016, 05:12:56 PM
Sorry for probably enquiring for what is the 1000th time, but how's 1926 doing? Last time I heard it was up at Carlyle.
I'm still curious to know what is happening to Gemini 4520; I assume under repair, but not necessarily to be a full service bus thereafter. Talk has been of it becoming a Driver Trainer - but I don't think Tony has confirmed [or denied!] that yet.
PD0001111/47 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Druids Heath and Birmingham, Moor Street given service number 50/50A effective from 17-Jan-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/70 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Birmingham, Carrs Lane and Maypole, Maypole Lane given service number 2 effective from 17-Jan-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/642 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Birmingham, Carrs Lane and Shirley, Green Business Park given service number 3 effective from 17-Jan-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
What are these changes about, route in town possibly?
6124 just left City Centre on a 35E, terminating at Kings Heath
Quote from: clayderman on February 02, 2016, 07:52:36 AM
6124 just left City Centre on a 35E, terminating at Kings Heath
As I have mentioned twice before, this is a daily working on a 50 running board
4092 left the garage this morning about 11.30.a.m and went along the Wythall bypass then going on towards Alcester.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on February 03, 2016, 08:23:54 PM
4092 left the garage this morning about 11.30.a.m and went along the Wythall bypass then going on towards Alcester.
When I was type training at AG, we went down to Stratford upon Avon in a Plaxton. 50 odd mile round trip I think it was. They were doing a Private Hire in Stratford at the time, which I think Tony took part in. 6147/8 were the vehicles I believe. Anyway, we were doing the risk assessment for it and type training at the same time, which was fun.
4698 sighted at PB yesterday (where it belongs)!
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 04, 2016, 08:12:01 AM
4698 sighted at PB yesterday (where it belongs)!
It is getting accident repairs. I did notice it last night, along with future trainer 1408 having repaneling work
Somebody has told me that 4698 has returned. Has it?
Quote from: Ronnoc on February 06, 2016, 04:03:33 PM
Somebody has told me that 4698 has returned. Has it?
yes, it was only very minor damage, not the serious damage someone said on here
Quote from: Tony on February 19, 2016, 06:53:02 AM
All Yardley Wood's 28xx had it. But no 27xx did.
It was to reduce vandalism on late night boards
It was the 27xx Tony that had the staircase doors, 2819, 2821-2824 & 2854-2858 had live cameras fitted, and it was a number of the 2750-2754 & 2786-2790 with the staircase doors. Something which Lothian Buses later had fitted on s number of their buses.
I no 2758 had the hidden cameras on board one was a pin hole where the emergeny door handle was in the platform and the other one was upstairs in the light fitting. Only half of the light fitting would light up as the other half the camera was in it. A tiny pin hole !!!
@John Stait I saw 4729 on the 6 this morning & I knew there was another Noteworthy sighting I saw around 10am but couldn't remember what the bus was lol. Thanks for reminding me cheers
1910 - 35
3225 was parked on the Stratford Road in Hall Green at the 6 and X20 stop towards Birmingham City Centre near Petersfield Road. Between 3PM and 5PM today.
would the 27 & 84 bus route ever get branded ?
I'm kinda curious to know.
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on March 15, 2016, 01:38:50 PM
would the 27 & 84 bus route ever get branded ?
I'm kinda curious to know.
Most likely not.
Especially not the 84. One bus?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 15, 2016, 01:58:19 PM
Most likely not.
Especially not the 84. One bus?
Probably not. Isn't it usually whatever is left in depot, usually an Omnilink?
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on March 15, 2016, 01:38:50 PM
would the 27 & 84 bus route ever get branded ?
I'm kinda curious to know.
The Lynxes were branded for the 27 some years back so you never know
Quote from: Nathan on March 15, 2016, 02:25:38 PM
Probably not. Isn't it usually whatever is left in depot, usually an Omnilink?
Usually always a Omnilinck
1917 - 35 (07:45)
1926 now back in one piece again and at Walsall for repaint
@Tony Great to hear - will it be a Crimson repaint?
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 24, 2016, 01:54:22 PM
@Tony
Great to hear - will it be a Crimson repaint?
@Liberator9 Yes it will be a Crimson repaint.
Has it been mentioned that 4368 has new full colour LED rear blinds? It's on the 6 today.
6148 is on the 18
4383 came to Coventry today presumably for its M.O.T https://www.facebook.com/369276339910972/photos/a.522323534606251.1073742218.369276339910972/526675697504368/?type=3&theater
4368 is on the 35.
4387 has an all over advert
Quote from: 900 on April 21, 2016, 06:52:01 AM
4387 has an all over advert
yep. saw it yesterday morning on the 76 near kings heath.
will all the buses at yw go in for the crimson repaint ?
apart from the mmc's of course.
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on April 22, 2016, 08:20:39 AM
will all the b uses at yw go in for the crimson repaint ?
apart from the mmc's of course.
Obviously not when I have already stated buses below 4425 will not be done and 4368 has only been back a week in red/white
Quote from: Tony on April 22, 2016, 08:24:59 AM
Obviously not when I have already stated buses below 4425 will not be done and 4368 has only been back a week in red/white
Do you mean 4369 Tony?
Quote from: Tony on April 22, 2016, 08:24:59 AM
Obviously not when I have already stated buses below 4425 will not be done and 4368 has only been back a week in red/white
ok. when I saw 1907 is presumed crimson would be at Yardley wood for all their buses.
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on April 22, 2016, 01:26:43 PM
ok. when I saw 1907 is presumed crimson would be at Yardley wood for all their buses.
Any Single Decker going in for full repaint will be painted too. It is just Double Deckers below 4425 that won't be repainted.
It's the homesense advert, similar to 4369's.
4389 on 50
4729 is on the 18 today
4698 was on the 2/3 yesterday.
1926 now back at YW fully repaired
Quote from: Tony on May 11, 2016, 03:09:01 PM
1926 now back at YW fully repaired
Will 4520 be returning, in whatever guise?
Quote from: Tony on May 11, 2016, 03:09:01 PM
1926 now back at YW fully repaired
Excellent to hear - good work by those involved.
Crimson 1926 out on the 27 today
What time on Turves Green or West Heath
@Tony ?
4725 has just passed me at Smallbrook Queensway. Any idea what it was doing? Had a piece of paper stuck on it and someone sitting down onboard.
1907 on 27 too. Seen at West Heath at 17:55 toward Hawkesley
Managed to find 1907, first time I've seen a crimson on the 27 :). Couldn't find 1926 though :(
Is it me or has 1898 had the wrong registration put onto its new plates. It looks like 'PDU' rather than 'PBU'
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1750-1953/1898.html
Quote from: John on May 19, 2016, 10:36:25 PM
Is it me or has 1898 had the wrong registration put onto its new plates. It looks like 'PDU' rather than 'PBU'
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1750-1953/1898.html
It's PDU.
Quote from: John on May 19, 2016, 10:36:25 PM
Is it me or has 1898 had the wrong registration put onto its new plates. It looks like 'PDU' rather than 'PBU'
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1750-1953/1898.html
Certainly looks like PDU to me.
Quote from: John on May 19, 2016, 10:36:25 PM
Is it me or has 1898 had the wrong registration put onto its new plates. It looks like 'PDU' rather than 'PBU'
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1750-1953/1898.html
It does look like PDU to me too, I commented the same on the Facebook version. It reminds me of the time that one of the ex-BC Coventry Tridents made it from the Paintshop back to Coventry before anyone realised that it had the plates "BY03" fitted, rather than "BJ03". There were some pictures back in the Fotopic days, not sure if they're still about anywhere. I'm pretty sure it was 4450.
Quote from: Ally on May 20, 2016, 10:19:36 AM
It does look like PDU to me too, I commented the same on the Facebook version. It reminds me of the time that one of the ex-BC Coventry Tridents made it from the Paintshop back to Coventry before anyone realised that it had the plates "BY03" fitted, rather than "BJ03". There were some pictures back in the Fotopic days, not sure if they're still about anywhere. I'm pretty sure it was 4450.
Yep. I just looked. its PDU
Quote from: Tony on May 11, 2016, 03:09:01 PM
1926 now back at YW fully repaired
will she be running the 27/84 full time ?
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on May 20, 2016, 01:09:00 PM
will she be running the 27/84 full time ?
It has just come out on an afternoon board on the 6
1907 officially carries the registration of BX09 PDU so we could have a duplicated registered bus unless the PDU on 1898 gets changed back to PBU before it gets returned back to YW. It does look like PDU from the angle we can see
Quote from: Squiz1971 on May 20, 2016, 02:47:08 PM
1907 officially carries the registration of BX09 PDU so we could have a duplicated registered bus unless the PDU on 1898 gets changed back to PBU before it gets returned back to YW. It does look like PDU from the angle we can see
1898 is at YW carrying PBU
Crimson 1898 is out for the first time today on the 27
612x is on the 3 on stratford road sparkhill @ 11:42
Edit: I wrongly put 6125 up as on the 3 however I have just seen 6125 on the 50 on rea street
It is 6123
What is YW's current allocation ?
I make it to be 138.
I got this from it being 135 from when Tony gave us his annual summary of allocations and a President & 2 Scanias transferring over there in recent months & yesterday.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on June 04, 2016, 06:36:21 PM
What is YW's current allocation ?
I make it to be 138.
I got this from it being 135 from when Tony gave us his annual summary of allocations and a President & 2 Scanias transferring over there in recent months & yesterday.
I make it 139, with 3 in for repaint
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on June 04, 2016, 06:36:21 PM
What is YW's current allocation ?
I make it to be 138.
I got this from it being 135 from when Tony gave us his annual summary of allocations and a President & 2 Scanias transferring over there in recent months & yesterday.
3 Scanias as 1905 transferred from PB this week
@GeminiFan1991
I must have forgotten to account for that,
I must thank yourselves
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on June 04, 2016, 08:28:24 PM
I must have forgotten to account for that,
I must thank yourselves
No problem
6148 - 76E. This post was supposed to be up this morning.
3 crimsons on 27 1 behind each other today!
1907-Maypole at Turves Green at 16:55
1898-Hawkesley at Turves Green at 16:58
1926-Maypole at West Heath at 17:08
Heard the 76 is being extened through Selly Oak from QE to turn right at the University gates, onto Bournbrook Rd and then onto raddlebarn and same opposit way. Anybody heard this?
1906 out for the first time at YW today, on the 27
1907 out on 27-07(?) for anyone wishing to seek it. Also, 1934 spotted with it's hazard lights on at Bournville Lane before driving away with driver training on 😗
1926 is also out on 27. Seen at 15:00 at West Heath towards Maypole
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on June 17, 2016, 10:55:31 AM
6148 - 35
@Demonstrator4698 Spare E400MMCs are used on the 35. If you refer to my spreadsheet, you'll see that these are already down as 'Also commonly used', so not really noteworthy.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/tZHoQDUm1HwOAZvQhE50A5A/htmlview
1905 on 27 today for anyone looking. Seen at 17:11 on Turves Green to Maypole
Also 4732 is on the 18 today
Quote from: Stu on June 17, 2016, 05:52:51 PM
@Demonstrator4698 Spare E400MMCs are used on the 35. If you refer to my spreadsheet, you'll see that these are already down as 'Also commonly used', so not really noteworthy.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/tZHoQDUm1HwOAZvQhE50A5A/htmlview
Spare MMCs are commonly on the 2/3, 6 and 18, I would say they were uncommon on 35, 49 & 76.
1906 &1905 on the 6 in that order on the way to solihull
4565 now on the 18
4565 is on the 76 today
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2016, 08:21:21 AM
4565 is on the 76 today
is this the only 45xx series trident at Yardley Wood or is there more to follow?
Quote from: dw1308 on June 29, 2016, 11:00:25 AM
is this the only 45xx series trident at Yardley Wood or is there more to follow?
I reckon as the Platinums arrive slowly to WN, it should displace more Tridents out, potentially to YW
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on June 29, 2016, 11:20:18 AM
I reckon as the Platinums arrive slowly to WN, it should displace more Tridents out, potentially to YW
Oh ok then. Am I right in saying the 45xx have the better 4 speed ZF (or voith as I can never remember which) gearbox?
Quote from: dw1308 on June 29, 2016, 11:28:16 AM
Oh ok then. Am I right in saying the 45xx have the better 4 speed ZF (or voith as I can never remember which) gearbox?
The ones coming to YW have a 4 speed Voith gearbox to keep YW fully Voith with their Tridents
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2016, 11:42:14 AM
The ones coming to YW have a 4 speed Voith gearbox to keep YW fully Voith with their Tridents
Thanks
@Tony I couldn't remember which type box it was. The 44xx and the 46xx have ZF boxes correct?
Quote from: dw1308 on June 29, 2016, 11:44:57 AM
Thanks @Tony I couldn't remember which type box it was. The 44xx and the 46xx have ZF boxes correct?
All tridents numbered 4425 upwards except 4565-84 have ZF. I believe 4565-84 were in production for Stagecoach at the time of the Transbus collapse, Stagecoach cancelled the order and NX bought them
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2016, 11:51:51 AM
All tridents numbered 4425 upwards except 4565-84 have ZF. I believe 4565-84 were in production for Stagecoach at the time of the Transbus collapse, Stagecoach cancelled the order and NX bought them
What are the major differences from a Transbus ALX400 and Dennis ALX400 in NX?
Quote from: Ronnoc on June 29, 2016, 04:11:27 PM
What are the major differences from a Transbus ALX400 and Dennis ALX400 in NX?
Dashboard, but even then not a huge difference, I believe at least.
6124 is on 49 today. Did the 15:23 off Longbridge to Solihull
4568 was on the 6 today. Left City around 6.25pm. Just missed a pic of it though >:(
Quote from: John on June 30, 2016, 07:17:35 PM
4568 was on the 6 today. Left City around 6.25pm. Just missed a pic of it though >:(
4565 too
Quote from: John on June 30, 2016, 07:17:35 PM
4568 was on the 6 today. Left City around 6.25pm. Just missed a pic of it though >:(
4565 John! 4568 is still a WN bus on the 69
Quote from: Tony on June 30, 2016, 07:19:47 PM
4565 John! 4568 is still a WN bus on the 69
Sorry! For some reason I thought it was 4568 ::)
Quote from: Tony on June 30, 2016, 07:19:47 PM
4565 John! 4568 is still a WN bus on the 69
What are these PL Ttidents replacing? Presidents?
Quote from: John Stait on June 30, 2016, 08:16:36 PM
What are these PL Ttidents replacing? Presidents?
Yes, they will be.
Quote from: John Stait on June 30, 2016, 08:16:36 PM
What are these PL Ttidents replacing? Presidents?
If it's, as rumoured, that 4565-84 move to YW, they only have about a dozen Presidents so what will the others replace?
Quote from: filbus1 on July 01, 2016, 10:11:15 AM
If it's, as rumoured, that 4565-84 move to YW, they only have about a dozen Presidents so what will the others replace?
Older Tridents that won't be able to enter the City Centre
Quote from: John on July 01, 2016, 11:58:40 AM
Older Tridents that won't be able to enter the City Centre
At no point have I stated 4565-84 are moving to YW
Quote from: Tony on July 01, 2016, 12:01:56 PM
At no point have I stated 4565-84 are moving to YW
Not you Tony, just the usual schoolboy guessers
Usually single deck scanias on 84 so a trident is noteworthy on 84
@j789
well, 4565-4567 are at YW but 4566 is still being repaired before it can go out in service.
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on July 12, 2016, 01:41:19 PM
well, 4565-4567 are at YW but 4566 is still being repaired before it can go out in service.
4566 has been in use at YW since transfer...
Quote from: Nathan on July 12, 2016, 01:43:55 PM
4566 has been in use at YW since transfer...
Hasn't been out for over a week
Quote from: Tony on July 12, 2016, 01:47:04 PM
Hasn't been out for over a week
I saw 4566 Parked up at YW when I was in there for 2weeks.
Think a Scania did the 1456 YW49 off West Heath towards Solihull as saw a Scania pulled into the old terminus of the 45 at West Heath church and the 27 doesn't stop there ???
@Adam 404 A Gemini on the 33 is not unusual at the minute as the Enviro400s are in for repaint
Quote from: John on July 17, 2016, 07:42:12 AM
@Adam 404
A Gemini on the 33 is not unusual at the minute as the Enviro400s are in for repaint
I see. I did check the spreadsheet
@Stu made. Should this not be in Perry Barr's thread however?
@John
Quote from: Adam 404 on July 17, 2016, 07:44:49 AM
I see. I did check the spreadsheet @Stu made. Should this not be in Perry Barr's thread however? @John
Sorry, I've put it in the wrong one :o don't know how I done that and I was just about to move it
Crimson 1902 is on the 84 today
Not sure if this is very rare or not but saw 1914 on the 2 at 15:25 heading out of city.
Edit: Not sure if it's still on there/true but I'm told there has been an Enviro 400 on the 27 today.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 22, 2016, 04:55:33 PM
Edit: Not sure if it's still on there/true but I'm told there has been an Enviro 400 on the 27 today.
It would soon be an Enviro 200! All 27 running boards have been Scanias today as normal
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 05:53:20 PM
It would soon be an Enviro 200! All 27 running boards have been Scanias today as normal
Didn't think it was true so thanks for clarifying Tony. So YW are getting E200s soon?
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 22, 2016, 06:12:38 PM
Didn't think it was true so thanks for clarifying Tony. So YW are getting E200s soon?
Nooooo, he means it would of had its top deck taken off, meaning it would only have one deck, like the E200!
Quote from: Dom on July 22, 2016, 06:13:18 PM
Nooooo, he means it would of had its top deck taken off, meaning it would only have one deck, like the E200!
Oh yeh, I get it now....
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2016, 05:53:20 PM
It would soon be an Enviro 200! All 27 running boards have been Scanias today as normal
Think he maybe referring to 4732 on the 27E school extra.
4730 and 6148 are on the 49 today.
4566 out today, on the 2/3
Quite a few tridents on the 6 today including 4340/4344/4363/4365/4334/4379
4698 is on the 49 today
4728 is on the 6 today
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on August 16, 2016, 03:36:33 PM
Quite a few tridents on the 6 today including 4340/4344/4363/4365/4334/4379
4698 is on the 49 today
4728 is on the 6 today
Nothing unusual there, there are Tridents on the 6 most days. Inevitably with Omnilinks off on loan to other garages, you may see more than usual though.
Quote from: Stu on August 16, 2016, 07:02:53 PM
Nothing unusual there, there are Tridents on the 6 most days. Inevitably with Omnilinks off on loan to other garages, you may see more than usual though.
I think that's what he meant.
Quote from: filbus1 on August 16, 2016, 08:21:32 PM
I think that's what he meant.
Yes that's what I meant
@filbus1. Personally never seen that many on there usually just a few
Not sure what they were doing but at 12:19 I saw 1922/1933 in convoy on the part of the Redhill Rd,West Hesth as shown on the map link. 1922 had not in service on front,1933 had 27 Maypole on front.They were heading towards The Man on the Moon.The man driving 1933 didn't look like much of a driver but the driver in 1922 looked like a standard NXWM driver. Can anyone help?
Map link:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/27+Redhill+Rd,+Birmingham+B31+3LD/@52.3977672,-1.9566669,17z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x4870be3a91b6a7bb:0x6e4d94fbb5238716
Do YW still operate a 72E journey, if so which journey is operated by YW?
Quote from: Winston on August 18, 2016, 06:25:32 PM
6125 was also on the 18
Yes it was that was the one I saw on the 18. 6144 was on the 49...
With 8 tridents on V duties expect to see more spare 61xx elsewhere
Quote from: 2206 on August 18, 2016, 10:26:00 AM
Do YW still operate a 72E journey, if so which journey is operated by YW?
Yes they do as far as I am aware as I saw a E400 MMC on there about three days ago. I believe it is usually the journey that departs at about 4 I think as it changes to the 76 once it terminates at solihull
6146-18
4732-76. Hardly noteworthy but thought someone may be interested.
Quote from: filbus1 on August 22, 2016, 06:26:58 PM
6146-18
4732-76. Hardly noteworthy but thought someone may be interested.
4729 on the 49 also
Quote from: dw1308 on August 21, 2016, 02:18:55 AM
Yes they do as far as I am aware as I saw a E400 MMC on there about three days ago. I believe it is usually the journey that departs at about 4 I think as it changes to the 76 once it terminates at solihull
Thanks for the information.
Where will presidents be allocated then?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 29, 2016, 01:52:09 PM
Where will presidents be allocated then?
18, 76 would be safe bets
Scania on the 76 seen on Alcester Road South, Kings Heath heading to Maypole while on BCT2976 heading to town about 15:40ish
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 29, 2016, 06:09:38 PM
Scania on the 76 seen on Alcester Road South, Kings Heath heading to Maypole while on BCT2976 heading to town about 15:40ish
49 & 76 interwork on Sundays, so all 76 are Scania today
Quote from: Tony on August 29, 2016, 06:19:51 PM
49 & 76 interwork on Sundays, so all 76 are Scania today
Ok thanks
@Tony wasn't aware of this so that's why I put it in here rather than the NW thread, just in case it wasn't noteworthy
4391 was today's 84, presumably a side effect of the 49 going Scania.
What is the reason for the 49 being run by Scanias? Does anyone know?
Edit: I've found the diversion but can't seem to find any low bridges that'd mean using a Scania?
Quote from: MW on August 31, 2016, 01:50:52 AM
What is the reason for the 49 being run by Scanias? Does anyone know?
Edit: I've found the diversion but can't seem to find any low bridges that'd mean using a Scania?
Diversions by Shirley Station meaning going under the bridge on Haslucks Green Road.
Quote from: filbus1 on August 31, 2016, 06:48:54 AM
Diversions by Shirley Station meaning going under the bridge on Haslucks Green Road.
Which bridge?
Quote from: MW on August 31, 2016, 01:50:52 AM
What is the reason for the 49 being run by Scanias? Does anyone know?
Edit: I've found the diversion but can't seem to find any low bridges that'd mean using a Scania?
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/temporary-diversions/closure-of-haslucks-green-road-phase-1-
You're right, if I read that diversion route correctly, it doesn't go under any bridges? Unless that diversion route is wrong?
I think they meant the bridge on Colebrook road, but the diversion via Colebrook road seems to start on the 8th of October.
Quote from: j789 on September 12, 2016, 08:34:44 PM
There were at least 2 Tridents/B7s on the 50 today too so maybe the 50 Branded Enviro on the 84 had a fault this morning and was swapped. Otherwise, the allocator has had an off day!! Things like this make sometimes make me wish I drove for NXWM with the fleet variety as at First it is very rare to get a bus other than that usually allocated to the running board. Seems to happen much more with NXWM.
There were no B7s on the 50 today. YW don't have any. They would have been Tridents.
Quote from: 2206 on September 12, 2016, 08:38:36 PM
There were no B7s on the 50 today. YW don't have any. They would have been Tridents.
3 Tridents noted, 4383, 4386 and 4572.
A rare event tomorrow, 3225 is coming out on a job where it hadn't even been requested!
It is being used on a private hire just because it is available without the hirer requesting it!
4576 currently on 2/3
4577 on the 18
before anyone asks
will 4698 remain on the 35 for the rest of today or will it make an appearance on the 18 ?
4576 is only ex WN Trident on the 18 today. Rest of buses on 18 are all 43xx along with 4731 and 4092 was but think it went back to garage as later saw it going Not In Service
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on September 29, 2016, 02:44:04 PM
4576 is only ex WN Trident on the 18 today. Rest of buses on 18 are all 43xx along with 4731 and 4092 was but think it went back to garage as later saw it going Not In Service
According to sources there's three on there.
Quote from: filbus1 on September 29, 2016, 05:00:49 PM
According to sources there's three on there.
Maybe some are on peak workings then as I'm sure I saw all buses that were on there earlier
4572 in convoy with a '52' plate Trident passed Wellhead Lane early this afternoon heading towards Aldridge Road
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on September 29, 2016, 02:44:04 PM
4576 is only ex WN Trident on the 18 today. Rest of buses on 18 are all 43xx along with 4731 and 4092 was but think it went back to garage as later saw it going Not In Service
4567 was on the 18 yesterday. 4092 finished service at BG around 1730.
Quote from: John on September 30, 2016, 02:49:56 PM
4572 in convoy with a '52' plate Trident passed Wellhead Lane early this afternoon heading towards Aldridge Road
As I thought, it seems to have gone for repaint
All 3 of YWs remaining Presidents (4090/4092/4106) are on the 18 today (Excluding 4089 as its on loan to AG)
4732 and 6143 are also on the 18 but no sign of any 45xx Tridents
@2206 Double deckers are now a common place on the 6, those include E400's.
1932 is on Birmingham Snow Hill - Dorridge rail replacement today.
Quote from: 2206 on October 08, 2016, 04:52:24 PM
1932 is on Birmingham Snow Hill - Dorridge rail replacement today.
So was 1910. https://www.facebook.com/369276339910972/photos/a.591525697686034.1073742282.369276339910972/600769326761671/?type=3&theater
4720's left indicator flashes really fast on the front, side and back.
Quote from: Ronnoc on October 11, 2016, 07:46:56 AM
4720's left indicator flashes really fast on the front, side and back.
They do that if turn engine on whilst indicator still on then turn indicator off and back on it flashes normally
Recently painted 1903 on the 27 doing the 14:00 departure from Hawkesley (27-02) if anyone wants to see it/take a photo.
@1907 Deckers are regular on the 84 now as the 49 has to be single decker for the low bridge in Shirley. The 84 will revert back to an OmniLink when the roadworks are completed
I was chatting to a YW driver who mentioned the diversion in Shirley is no longer in place so the 6 and the 49 should be back to normal, allocation wise.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on November 03, 2016, 05:39:16 PM
I was chatting to a YW driver who mentioned the diversion in Shirley is no longer in place so the 6 and the 49 should be back to normal, allocation wise.
Yes the 49 definitely is as all 49s I saw today were 43xx tridents and 1 Enviro 400
The 3 has also returned to normal and full route. It terminated at the Haslucks Green Road/Stratford Road island during the Shirley Station bridge closure.
4092 still out at YW. Seen at 0807 this morning at Longbridge Station going to Northfield
1913 and 1914 are on rail replacement today.
Quote from: 2206 on November 05, 2016, 11:50:03 AM
1913 and 1914 are on rail replacement today.
Along with 1903/1916/1933
Edit: I think a lot of the NX buses finished at about 1400 and then different ones came out.
I later saw 1899/1910/1915/1919
3 ALX400's on the 35, 4384, 4567 and I didn't catch the other one.
4092 has been reinstated to cover a broken Scania
Quote from: jc on November 21, 2016, 11:56:19 AM
4092 has been reinstated to cover a broken Scania
Seen in Cotteridge this morning out of service.
Been allocated to the 49 today, also of note 4375 on the 50 and two scanias on 35. 4577? Is back in Crimson
will we by any chance be getting 4578-4584 anytime soon or have we not heard anything from Wolverhampton about this transfer order for these voiths ?
Saw 4726 with it's hazard lights on at Alcester Road heading towards Kings Heath. Looked like it had broken down
1926 is back in service after its second crash. It is on the 35 today
Are any of the crimson YW scania going to branded for the 6
Quote from: Chris on December 23, 2016, 08:21:02 PM
Are any of the crimson YW scania going to branded for the 6
the 27 also uses scania's as well
1919 being driven by Santa on the 27 this afternoon
@GeminiFan1991 I think the 84 gets whatever is left in the garage
Quote from: Chris on January 12, 2017, 02:23:49 PM
@GeminiFan1991 I think the 84 gets whatever is left in the garage
I've heard that before but I've only ever know Omnilinks to appear on the route.
1927 now back at YW in Crimson replaced by 1919 in paint
4180 is on the 76.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/temporary-diversions/closure-of-haslucks-green-road
49 will be Scanias from 20th February for a few weeks then
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on February 07, 2017, 04:19:16 PM
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/temporary-diversions/closure-of-haslucks-green-road
49 will be Scanias from 20th February for a few weeks then
If the notice is correct, the 3 will need to single deck as well.
Quote from: Justin Tyme on February 07, 2017, 06:16:39 PM
If the notice is correct, the 3 will need to single deck as well.
So would the 2 as they interwork.
Quote from: Justin Tyme on February 07, 2017, 06:16:39 PM
If the notice is correct, the 3 will need to single deck as well.
Yes I was thinking that but as you say, that's if the notice is correct.
Last time I'm pretty sure the 3 turned short of its usual terminus
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on February 07, 2017, 06:18:25 PM
So would the 2 as they interwork.
I'm sure I saw something here before that the 2 and 3 only interwork at certain times of day?
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on February 07, 2017, 06:22:03 PM
Last time I'm pretty sure the 3 turned short of its usual terminus
That's right. From Yardley Wood (Slade Lane) it did a tour of the western part of Hall Green to terminate in Shirley at Haslucks Green Road/Stratford Road - two miles short of its normal terminus at The Green Business Park. The few passengers from there were presumably expected to use the 5 from the nearest Stratford Road stop by Cranmore Boulevard.
Expect a 10 week swap to happen this weekend
1886-91 WA - YW
4333-5/7-9 YW-WA
This is to cover the temp single decking of the 2/3 & 49
Quote from: Tony on February 13, 2017, 08:14:09 PM
Expect a 10 week swap to happen this weekend
1886-91 WA - YW
4333-5/7-9 YW-WA
This is to cover the temp single decking of the 2/3 & 49
How come.they didn't need to swap buses last time then?
Quote from: Kevin on February 14, 2017, 07:33:23 AM
How come.they didn't need to swap buses last time then?
It was only the 49 last time wasn't it?
Quote from: John on February 14, 2017, 07:37:48 AM
It was only the 49 last time wasn't it?
Yes only 49 last time whereas this time the 2/3 need to be as well
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on February 14, 2017, 07:41:46 AM
Yes only 49 last time whereas this time the 2/3 need to be as well
Ah yeah sorry, 3 was just diverted wasn't it
Quote from: Kevin on February 14, 2017, 07:43:35 AM
Ah yeah sorry, 3 was just diverted wasn't it
Correct. The 3 diversion will be the same as for the 49 this time - under the low bridge in Colebrook Road, Shirley.
The 6 Tridents going for a 10 week holiday in Walsall in exchange for 1886-91 have now been changed to tie in with inspection dates.
4570
4376
4335
4337
4394
4339
Perhaps they can fix 4376 then! Likes to shudder as it pulls away!
How is 4520s rebuild going?
Quote from: Chris on February 19, 2017, 09:01:23 PM
How is 4520s rebuild going?
Judging by the last photo of it on the main site, it has a new front but I would imagine its priority isn't that high as YW gets many other buses coming in for repairs.
1890 out at Yardley Wood depot today on the 27
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on February 20, 2017, 03:13:35 PM
1890 out at Yardley Wood depot today on the 27
All 6 are out, no point in transferring them if they don't go out
1886/9 on the 2/3
1887/91 on the 49
1888 currently in garage
Quote from: Tony on February 20, 2017, 03:33:32 PM
All 6 are out, no point in transferring them if they don't go out
1886/9 on the 2/3
1887/91 on the 49
1888 currently in garage
Am I right in saying the 27 has to be single deck anyway due to a low bridge on the route ? If that's the case then it'll also get some of WA OmniLinks on it as well.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on February 20, 2017, 03:45:14 PM
Am I right in saying the 27 has to be single deck anyway due to a low bridge on the route ? If that's the case then it'll also get some of WA OmniLinks on it as well.
Yeah
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on February 20, 2017, 03:45:14 PM
Am I right in saying the 27 has to be single deck anyway due to a low bridge on the route ? If that's the case then it'll also get some of WA OmniLinks on it as well.
As per the report two before yours?
There is a booked 27E working that uses a decker, but that gets no where near a low bridge!
As for 4520, it tends to be worked on when there is available time, at the moment 4549 (I'm about 75% sure thats the right one) is having body damage fixed, 4214 is next to it from Coventry and 6843 lingers waiting for attention to damage too
Is the number 5 route back at YW now?
Quote from: Oozells on March 08, 2017, 09:27:11 AM
Is the number 5 route back at YW now?
No, the E400MMC (photo) you might have seen on the 5 was on loan to AG.
4366 has now gained LED destinations at the front.
6148 back on the 50 last night (pretty sure it was 48, was definitely an unbranded mmc)
Quote from: jc on March 23, 2017, 02:24:00 PM
6148 back on the 50 last night (pretty sure it was 48, was definitely an unbranded mmc)
Yes, 6147 & 6148 both back at YW.
(1885 also back at Walsall)
Quote from: Tony on March 23, 2017, 02:28:56 PM
Yes, 6147 & 6148 both back at YW.
(1885 also back at Walsall)
6145 now at AG
4386 has a LED front Destination Display fitted.
@2206 Deckers are the norm on the 84 at the minute due to the need for OmniLinks on the 2, 3 and 49
Does anyone know if the YW 72E journey still operates?
The 72E is worked off a school duty so it's possible that with it being school holidays it may not be running this week
Quote from: jc on April 19, 2017, 03:55:29 PM
The 72E is worked off a school duty so it's possible that with it being school holidays it may not be running this week
Thanks.
Do you know which journeys YW operate?
Thanks for the info
@John.
If of any interest:
Crimson trident, 4572, is on the 35
6147 having a More irregular day on the 2
Some of the 43XX's at YW have the exhaust trap fitted.
Quote from: Ronnoc on May 06, 2017, 12:13:08 PM
Some of the 43XX's at YW have the exhaust trap fitted.
I did wonder what was going to happen with the 43**s with plenty of them still being used in the City Centre. I wonder if/when YW will receive more 45**s from WN
Hero dad disarms knife holding robbers on the 76, Christ what is the world coming too
2248 out on the 6 tonight, appears to be the first to move over
2248 back out on the Yardley Wood 6 today, 2239 currently not allocated appears to be in the line for engineering to look at
2239 now allocated to 27
2248 on the 49. Seen at 1529 at Redditch Rd Foyle Rd heading to Solihull. Probably a peak working as was on the 27 this morning so may not be out for too long
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on June 01, 2017, 03:46:29 PM
2248 on the 49. Seen at 1529 at Redditch Rd Foyle Rd heading to Solihull. Probably a peak working as was on the 27 this morning so may not be out for too long
2239? Is on the 6. Was a former 71/72 Branded bus.
Quote from: Jack B on June 01, 2017, 06:49:52 PM
2239? Is on the 6. Was a former 71/72 Branded bus.
I spotted 2231 on the 6 earlier, and 30 seconds later, 4503 on the 5. How so much has changed in a few days eh
Quote from: MW on June 01, 2017, 07:09:38 PM
I spotted 2231 on the 6 earlier, and 30 seconds later, 4503 on the 5. How so much has changed in a few days eh
Never saw 4503, there was a red/white Gem on the 31. Hopefully they repaint the last three that are in red/white at AG get repainted, they let the Gem's down at AG!
Quote from: Jack B on June 01, 2017, 07:21:55 PM
Never saw 4503, there was a red/white Gem on the 31. Hopefully they repaint the last three that are in red/white at AG get repainted, they let the Gem's down at AG!
They will have 4502 soon still in red/white so that will be 4
Quote from: John on June 01, 2017, 07:23:23 PM
They will have 4502 soon still in red/white so that will be 4
Unless it goes straight for repaint after its done at PB. We'll wait and see.
Quote from: Jack B on June 01, 2017, 07:21:55 PM
Never saw 4503, there was a red/white Gem on the 31. Hopefully they repaint the last three that are in red/white at AG get repainted, they let the Gem's down at AG!
4503 is still on the 31 as of 10 mins ago. Seen in Acocks Green village heading towards Robin Hood.
4637 was the red and white one on the 31 earlier. The other two are 4651 & 4658.
Has the Shirley diversion finished now on the 49? Or does it not interwork with the 76 anymore because I've seen a couple of deckers on the 76 today
Quote from: Kevin on June 04, 2017, 03:32:10 PM
Has the Shirley diversion finished now on the 49? Or does it not interwork with the 76 anymore because I've seen a couple of deckers on the 76 today
Finished as far as I'm aware.
Quote from: Dom on June 04, 2017, 03:42:26 PM
Finished as far as I'm aware.
Yeah I asked because I saw singles on the 49 at the same time, but just seen a Trident so that confirms
Quote from: Kevin on June 04, 2017, 03:32:10 PM
Has the Shirley diversion finished now on the 49? Or does it not interwork with the 76 anymore because I've seen a couple of deckers on the 76 today
Yes - the bridge finally reopened (many weeks late) during Friday and double decks returned yesterday (Saturday).
Does the 6 now have branded 200s or is that what is expected to happen to that route.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 10, 2017, 02:33:26 PM
Does the 6 now have branded 200s or is that what is expected to happen to that route.
Mostly unbranded E200 MMC and Omnilinks at the moment. The 6 hasn't been branded.
Hopefully they will leave it unbranded, and I expect the 6 and 27 will just be mixes of Scanias and E200MMCs which works out fine. They look smart enough with none of the stickers plastered on and means the 27 doesn't inevitably end up with 6 branded vehicles going on it. Quite pleased to see some E200MMCs move over to YW, whilst retaining a fair number of Scanias.
1910 is on the 2/3 today.
Quote from: John on June 28, 2017, 04:44:22 PM
2248 on the 49
6710 on the 5
What time did you see 2248 and where
@John ? Thanks
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on June 28, 2017, 04:54:21 PM
What time did you see 2248 and where @John ? Thanks
Left Solihull at 4.25pm on a Cotteridge
Quote from: John on June 28, 2017, 05:06:59 PM
Left Solihull at 4.25pm on a Cotteridge
Ok thanks
Do Yardley Wood still do the afternoon trip on the 72? I ask as 4729 was on it, it came into Solihull but it left again for Chelmsley Wood just before 5pm. Or could it have been a loan?
John-when I was in Birmingham a few weeks ago I saw a Yardley Wood Trident at Chelmsley Wood in service. Unfortunately I can't remember if it was on a normal service or schools.
4335 has gained a rear advert for "Geo news", seen on the 18 this morning.
Yw &ag buses division via by pass from city & down that rd by
the church dont know whata happened
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/stratford-road-sparkbrook-live-fire-13308363
this might explain it.
@Solo1
If you scroll down on 4160's page (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4160.html) , it's a photo of it branded for the 21/29. When were these routes operated by YW garage? Or was 4160 not new to Yardley Wood?
Quote from: MW on September 02, 2017, 09:06:02 PM
If you scroll down on 4160's page (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4160.html) , it's a photo of it branded for the 21/29. When were these routes operated by YW garage? Or was 4160 not new to Yardley Wood?
The 21/29 used to be operated by YW in the 1990s/early 2000s, between June 1997 and May 2002
@MW .
A YW Network Harborne Branded B10L on the 21/29 -
https://www.flickr.com/photos/59615439@N03/33366457003/in/album-72157632221085767/
Quote from: lynx1103 on December 07, 2013, 03:34:17 PM
Harbour routes are ex Quinton Hockley Yardley Wood
22/23
To Birmingham Central June 1997
Ex Quinton
21/29
To Birmingham Central May 2005
Ex-Hockley
May 2002-Ex Yardley Wood
June 1997 EX Quinton
103
To Birmingham Central June 1997
EX Quinton
To Hockley May 2002
Returned may 2005
Re-numbered 24 around 2011
Quote from: 2206 on September 02, 2017, 09:15:51 PM
The 21/29 used to be operated by YW in the 1990s/early 2000s @MW -
A YW Network Harborne Branded B10L on the 21/29.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/59615439@N03/33366457003/in/album-72157632221085767/
Any idea where the driver relief point would be on the 21/29 when it was run by YW?
I think the 21 and 29 interworked and the relief point was the 29's Northfield terminus which at that time was at the top of Bell Hill.
Reserve fleet 4132 & 4160 at YW for possible use if needed
4160 now out on the 18
4162 now also at YW
Damn I missed this! Are they still at YW or was this a one day emergency loan?
Quote from: V89MOA on September 08, 2017, 12:38:39 AM
Damn I missed this! Are they still at YW or was this a one day emergency loan?
All 3 are out today.
They are not tracking, but it looks like it might be 4162 on the 18 and 4132 & 4160 on the 76
Quote from: Tony on September 08, 2017, 08:11:06 AM
All 3 are out today.
They are not tracking, but it looks like it might be 4162 on the 18 and 4132 & 4160 on the 76
Brilliant! Thank you for posting this.
It has been reported on Facebook by a YW driver that 4132 has been taken off as defective.
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 08, 2017, 12:21:34 PM
It has been reported on Facebook by a YW driver that 4132 has been taken off as defective.
Now on the 49
Quote from: Tony on September 08, 2017, 03:46:08 PM
Now on the 49
Anyone have any idea of timings. Thanks
Quote from: V89MOA on September 08, 2017, 12:38:39 AM
Damn I missed this! Are they still at YW or was this a one day emergency loan?
4160's on the 76 today
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 08, 2017, 07:34:37 PM
4160's on the 76 today
Thank you, I managed to find two out of the three of them in the end!
4160 & 4162 both out again today
I think both are on the 49
2230 has been on the YW 2/3 today.
A unbranded E400 MMC was on the YW 6 today, 6147 (?).
Quote from: 2206 on September 24, 2017, 05:32:28 PM
2230 has been on the YW 2/3 today.
A unbranded E400 MMC was on the YW 6 today, 6147 (?).
2246 and an OmniLink on the 2 too
6148 on the 6. Went out of service in Solihull around 4pm
Quote from: John on September 24, 2017, 05:41:51 PM
2246 and an OmniLink on the 2 too
6148 on the 6. Went out of service in Solihull around 4pm
Thanks for the info, it'll be 6148 that I saw then
4130 is today's 84.
4698 is on the 18 today.
For some reason my reply on Buses to find isn't sending
Quote from: Tony on October 12, 2017, 09:16:52 AM
4698 is on the 18 today.
For some reason my reply on Buses to find isn't sending
Ta
To be fair this thread makes more sense for the other part of the question. Care to divulge how long it's likely to have left in service before conversion to a trainer (if indeed that's happening)
Quote from: Kevin on October 12, 2017, 09:43:07 AM
Ta
To be fair this thread makes more sense for the other part of the question. Care to divulge how long it's likely to have left in service before conversion to a trainer (if indeed that's happening)
There's no fixed time. It's as soon as the bodymaker who does the conversions is available
Might try again tomorrow. 2 and a half hours in/around Northfield proved fruitless
Quote from: Kevin on October 12, 2017, 03:57:52 PM
Might try again tomorrow. 2 and a half hours in/around Northfield proved fruitless
It got changed at 1016 for some reason
If anyone's looking at the moment, 4698 has just left solihull station on the 49.
4380 has a front LED
is 4698 out in service today please?
4698 was the 18 earlier if anyone is looking for it.
Quote from: 37351ml on November 16, 2017, 10:54:38 PM
4729 or 4721 (forgot to write it down) was on 72 (around 18.00) Solihull hospital to Solihull station. Had a quick peep at the board, was just a couple of journeys on there. It ran "not in service" once reaching Solihull station.
It's easy to tell whether it was 4729 or 4721.
4721 is 35 Branded.
4729 is Unbranded.
@37351ml
Think thats a regular working.
Its a school working, comes in off a school and does the 72 board to Chelmsley and back, usually booked to be an Enviro400, but can be any double decker
4732's nearside indicator was flashing really fast when I saw it in Carrs Lane on the 3 yesterday. Not sure why this was happening as the offside indicator was flashing at normal speed.
Quote from: Jack on November 20, 2017, 06:06:55 PM
4732's nearside indicator was flashing really fast when I saw it in Carrs Lane on the 3 yesterday. Not sure why this was happening as the offside indicator was flashing at normal speed.
One of the bulbs might not be working correctly
Quote from: MW on November 20, 2017, 07:22:01 PM
One of the bulbs might not be working correctly
4700's are E400. All LED.
Quote from: Jack on November 20, 2017, 06:06:55 PM
4732's nearside indicator was flashing really fast when I saw it in Carrs Lane on the 3 yesterday. Not sure why this was happening as the offside indicator was flashing at normal speed.
I've seen quite a few Enviros doing this. May not be a bug or a broken LED, just something that happens in these Enviros.
Quote from: Ronnoc on November 20, 2017, 08:37:52 PM
I've seen quite a few Enviros doing this. May not be a bug or a broken LED, just something that happens in these Enviros.
4720 is the main one for the nearside indicator flashing really fast
Quote from: Ronnoc on November 20, 2017, 08:37:52 PM
I've seen quite a few Enviros doing this. May not be a bug or a broken LED, just something that happens in these Enviros.
Same thing happened to 6143 today (on the 6) and a Enviro 200 MMC, also on the 6
Looks like 4391 is now a convertible after colliding with the bridge on Bonneville lane (I think it was 4391 could just about make out the reg plate from the photo on facebook)
Quote from: dw1308 on December 21, 2017, 01:01:18 AM
Looks like 4391 is now a convertible after colliding with the bridge on Bonneville lane (I think it was 4391 could just about make out the reg plate from the photo on facebook)
Yep it's 4391. Looks lethal, but the driver should of clearly seen he couldn't get under it and he risked it. It has a Euro 6 Trap, it could be transferred to another Trident, 4380 or 4395 would be great.
Quote from: dw1308 on December 21, 2017, 01:01:18 AM
Looks like 4391 is now a convertible after colliding with the bridge on Bonneville lane (I think it was 4391 could just about make out the reg plate from the photo on facebook)
It's staggering that a driver would attempt to take a double decker under the Bournville Lane bridge which is well known (the 27 has always been single decker operated because of it), and it's not even remotely close in terms of clearance.
On the news says was out of service. Is this guy going to get the sack and face prosecution or is it classed as just an accident.
Quote from: Mike K on December 21, 2017, 07:28:41 AM
It's staggering that a driver would attempt to take a double decker under the Bournville Lane bridge which is well known (the 27 has always been single decker operated because of it), and it's not even remotely close in terms of clearance.
Really is baffling that a YW driver couldn't know about the bridge. I've felt slightly unnerved going through in a single deck before
Also, how fast was he going to get all the way through???
I can't think of where he was running special From to go under the bridge ?
That particular bridge is or was officially too small for a single decker. Signs say 10 foot I think, and a single decker is about 10 foot 6. Something like that. Went under it when I was training (as a passenger). At a guess, the bus would have running dead from QE Hospital to YW. I'm guessing that the driver was regular on the 27, and must have not realised that they were driving a double decker. I can't imagine that feeling when you've just hit the bridge. Must be sheer panic!
Edit: Actually I think the signs have been changed. A few years ago, the signs definitely said that the bridge wasn't high enough to fit a B10B.
It would be nice if 4698 got a reprieve now because of this but it's unlikely.
Quote from: filbus1 on December 21, 2017, 08:28:21 AM
It would be nice if 4698 got a reprieve now because of this but it's unlikely.
I suppose you could have an open topper bus in the training fleet. Not like anyone goes upstairs anyway... :D
YW needed to lose a bus anyway now all the Scanias have been for repaint, so nothing will be replacing it there
Will this bus be scrapped ?
It'll T-cut out !!!
Quote from: monkeyjoe on December 21, 2017, 07:37:27 AM
On the news says was out of service. Is this guy going to get the sack and face prosecution or is it classed as just an accident.
NX doesn't believe in accidents , training skool says the term accident points towards that no one is at fault, clearly here the driver is at fault in this collision with the bridge , they prefer the term RTC
Quote from: Tony on December 21, 2017, 08:52:51 AM
YW needed to lose a bus anyway now all the Scanias have been for repaint, so nothing will be replacing it there
Looks like they'll be losing a driver as well....
Done the company a favour in that case if YW needed to lose a bus ;) Being serious, rather a bizarre incident considering the height of that bridge; MW's reasoning seems to best fit why it would have happened as well as possible fatigue. Main thing is though that no-one was injured.
Some of the sensationalist reporting of these types of incidents gets on my nerves. The Telegraph coverage of it says "Commuters were shaken after the roof of a double-decker bus was torn off by a bridge in Bournville, Birmingham".
The bus was empty and it was half past midnight.
Quote from: Tony on December 21, 2017, 08:52:51 AM
YW needed to lose a bus anyway now all the Scanias have been for repaint, so nothing will be replacing it there
That's suprising, considering 4391 is a trapped bus. Though it's old now, but 4234 was around 11/12 years old when it got deroofed and still got repaired.
Quote from: Jack on December 21, 2017, 04:51:40 PM
That's suprising, considering 4391 is a trapped bus. Though it's old now, but 4234 was around 11/12 years old when it got deroofed and still got repaired.
What's surprising, all I said was nothing is replacing it at YW, and what has 4234 got to do with that
Quote from: Tony on December 21, 2017, 05:38:02 PM
What's surprising, all I said was nothing is replacing it at YW, and what has 4234 got to do with that
Just thinking it would have an extended life, being trapped, it would last a lot longer than an un trapped Trident.
Quote from: Jack on December 21, 2017, 05:52:26 PM
Just thinking it would have an extended life, being trapped, it would last a lot longer than an un trapped Trident.
I haven't said it won't, all I said was YW needs one less bus, so this is the one less bus
Quote from: Tony on December 21, 2017, 06:07:02 PM
I haven't said it won't, all I said was YW needs one less bus, so this is the one less bus
Isn't that 4698, 4391 was unexpected
This is unbelievable on a number of grounds.
1. That a YW driver would be unaware of such a low bridge that is on a YW operated route.
2. With such a low bridge it should be obvious on approach that a double decker would not pass under it.
3. That the driver could continue through the bridge ripping off the whole roof.
This driver is clearly not safe to be on the road as a bus driver or car driver making such a massive error of judgement. Whilst I appreciate the bus was empty he put his own life and others who may have been on the road as driver, pedestrians and rail passengers in danger.
It will be really interesting to see if the police take any action over this.
Quote from: Jack on December 21, 2017, 06:10:05 PM
Isn't that 4698, 4391 was unexpected
Just read what I put instead of forever arguing. How do you think you can manage the fleet without knowing any facts
Quote from: fleetline6477 on December 21, 2017, 07:13:47 PM
This is unbelievable on a number of grounds.
1. That a YW driver would be unaware of such a low bridge that is on a YW operated route.
2. With such a low bridge it should be obvious on approach that a double decker would not pass under it.
3. That the driver could continue through the bridge ripping off the whole roof.
This driver is clearly not safe to be on the road as a bus driver or car driver making such a massive error of judgement. Whilst I appreciate the bus was empty he put his own life and others who may have been on the road as driver, pedestrians and rail passengers in danger.
It will be really interesting to see if the police take any action over this.
Whilst these are reasonable points, not all may apply. For example, the driver may have been on a different rota to the 27 so might not have been aware of the hazard of that short cut, especially if a newer driver. Also, their could be a possibility the driver was 'on loan' from another garage and didn't realise. The bus would likely be coming off a 76 from the QE to possibly take that route.
It seems like a very bad driver error missing the warning signage and yes you would think you'd stop straight away but I guess if you are in a situation like that panic probably takes over and you wouldn't react in a normal way.
Quote from: Mike K on December 21, 2017, 10:50:55 AM
Some of the sensationalist reporting of these types of incidents gets on my nerves. The Telegraph coverage of it says "Commuters were shaken after the roof of a double-decker bus was torn off by a bridge in Bournville, Birmingham".
The bus was empty and it was half past midnight.
I agree, 'fake news' indeed. ;D
Number of commuters actually shaken by this incident: 0
Quote from: j789 on December 21, 2017, 07:57:12 PM
Whilst these are reasonable points, not all may apply. For example, the driver may have been on a different rota to the 27 so might not have been aware of the hazard of that short cut, especially if a newer driver. Also, their could be a possibility the driver was 'on loan' from another garage and didn't realise. The bus would likely be coming off a 76 from the QE to possibly take that route.
It seems like a very bad driver error missing the warning signage and yes you would think you'd stop straight away but I guess if you are in a situation like that panic probably takes over and you wouldn't react in a normal way.
Isn't the point that things like this should never happen.
I always thought that routes between terminal points and the garage were stated on the running board?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 21, 2017, 09:05:26 PM
Isn't the point that things like this should never happen.
I always thought that routes between terminal points and the garage were stated on the running board?
According to Tony they were on the running board and the driver didn't use it.
Quote from: filbus1 on December 21, 2017, 09:15:44 PM
According to Tony they were on the running board and the driver didn't use it.
Not much you can say about that then!
Quote from: MW on December 21, 2017, 08:47:06 AM
I suppose you could have an open topper bus in the training fleet. Not like anyone goes upstairs anyway... :D
Maybe this could be become the first Trident single decker conversion, like that Fleetline from the 1990s.
Quote from: j789 on December 21, 2017, 09:25:21 PM
Maybe this could be become the first Trident single decker conversion, like that Fleetline from the 1990s.
Why would you need a single decker Trident?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 21, 2017, 09:30:27 PM
Why would you need a single decker Trident?
To get under low bridges!!!
Quote from: Mike K on December 21, 2017, 10:50:55 AM
Some of the sensationalist reporting of these types of incidents gets on my nerves. The Telegraph coverage of it says "Commuters were shaken after the roof of a double-decker bus was torn off by a bridge in Bournville, Birmingham".
The bus was empty and it was half past midnight.
Wonder if any whiplash claims went in...wouldn't surprise me?
Are there any diversions on the 27 at the moment. Spotted two in Northfield going to Maypoke with *main roads only* showing on display.
The blinds were updated during November to add 'Snow Warning' Blinds, they basically advise on the blind that there may be a diversion, however these are set on the destinations right next to the normal ones.
Drove a 35 the other day, all the way to city and several people asked what diversions there were, much to my confusion, took me a while to realise they have added these 'Snow Blinds'
Quote from: jc on December 23, 2017, 11:35:26 PM
The blinds were updated during November to add 'Snow Warning' Blinds, they basically advise on the blind that there may be a diversion, however these are set on the destinations right next to the normal ones.
Drove a 35 the other day, all the way to city and several people asked what diversions there were, much to my confusion, took me a while to realise they have added these 'Snow Blinds'
I've noticed loads of YW buses with a new font. They look better than the previous displays on LED displays, the 6 looks way better. I've noticed some at AG have had it done too. Not keen on the Dot matrix displays though, the 2 looks ugly, I preferred the thick number.
Quote from: Jack on December 24, 2017, 10:50:00 AM
I've noticed loads of YW buses with a new font. They look better than the previous displays on LED displays, the 6 looks way better. I've noticed some at AG have had it done too. Not keen on the Dot matrix displays though, the 2 looks ugly, I preferred the thick number.
It's the same font as the 11Es at AG. It looks like a simple Mobitec style font.
will the trident that got de roofed become an open topper or scraped
Quote from: Solo1 on December 24, 2017, 04:30:05 PM
will the trident that got de roofed become an open topper or scraped
Hopefully it will go to Birmingham bus tour
Quote from: Solo1 on December 24, 2017, 04:30:05 PM
will the trident that got de roofed become an open topper or scraped
It's already 'scraped' its roof.
Quote from: Solo1 on December 24, 2017, 04:30:05 PM
will the trident that got de roofed become an open topper or scraped
Nothing decided yet, it could be repaired.
Not sure on the logistics but there's plenty of spares to fix that YW Trident if they wanted to.
@lauren1993 Spare E400 MMC's are used on the 35 quite a lot.
Martin Hancock on the telly talking on bbc2 programmer doing experiment about pollution on kings heath high street
The top deck on 4732 looks pretty dark, doesn't look like the lights are working well.
NWM service changes page states that the 50's early morning journeys will be withdrawn from March 11th, Monday to Friday. Early morning would be 1AM - 4AM wouldn't it, so is the 50 losing its night service?
Quote from: 2206 on January 24, 2018, 04:37:21 PM
NWM service changes page states that the 50's early morning journeys will be withdrawn from March 11th, Monday to Friday. Early morning would be 1AM - 4AM wouldn't it, so is the 50 losing its night service?
Not looking promising. West Midlands needs more night buses not less
I get that if people don't use a service then there's no point running it, but at the end of the day people don't use a night bus because for years there hasn't been one, and unfortunately much more expensive taxis are the only option
It would suggest still have weekend night buses ??
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 24, 2018, 06:26:28 PM
It would suggest still have weekend night buses ??
Yes, that's right the night bus will be weekends only.
Does that mean it will be like the number 9 just weekens only it should become the 50N
Quote from: Jordan on January 24, 2018, 09:36:23 PM
Does that mean it will be like the number 9 just weekens only it should become the 50N
Saturday and Sunday mornings only, so yes it will become like the 9.
No need to change the service number, there's no variation between the route at 2AM and during the day.
Yardley Wood are using reserve fleet 4181 on the 49 today
Quote from: Tony on January 29, 2018, 09:04:22 AM
Yardley Wood are using reserve fleet 4181 on the 49 today
Great bus! 👍
4130 was on the 18 earlier, not sure if it's still out.
4130 seems better than 4181. But I think 4181 is much quicker. Besides the diff/retarder being abit loud on it when it slows down, its not a bad bus
4130 was out on the 76 earlier.
4568 on the 35, if anyone's interested.
4614 on 49E, is this a loan?
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/service-76-route-change-from-sunday-18th-march-2018?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SocialSignIn
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 14, 2018, 07:28:23 PM
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/service-76-route-change-from-sunday-18th-march-2018?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SocialSignIn
So basically missing out the top end of Selly Oak. That's a bit of a shame as some some useful connections will be lost, including connections with the Outer Circle. But that Selly Oak triangle is a pain in the backside for traffic.
Quote from: Mike K on March 14, 2018, 07:46:02 PM
So basically missing out the top end of Selly Oak. That's a bit of a shame as some some useful connections will be lost, including connections with the Outer Circle. But that Selly Oak triangle is a pain in the backside for traffic.
I maintain it should go the other way, come to Selly Oak via Raddlebarn Road and leave Dawlish Road etc to the 84
Quote from: Kevin on March 14, 2018, 08:11:18 PM
I maintain it should go the other way, come to Selly Oak via Raddlebarn Road and leave Dawlish Road etc to the 84
If the frequency increased to every 30 minutes then yeah I agree.
4393 was on the 35 yesterday.
@V89MOA Spare E400 MMC's are common on the 35, it's on the spreedsheet too.
Quote from: Jack on April 13, 2018, 10:34:41 AM
@V89MOA Spare E400 MMC's are common on the 35, it's on the spreedsheet too.
Tridents are usually the first choice.
Quote from: V89MOA on April 13, 2018, 10:38:50 AM
Tridents are usually the first choice.
Never said they weren't, just pointing it's common to see MMC's on the 35. I see a lot on there lately, as well as Tridents. E400 MMC's are on the spreadsheet, Tridents aren't, some it might need changing.
Quote from: Jack on April 13, 2018, 10:43:16 AM
Never said they weren't, just pointing it's common to see MMC's on the 35. I see a lot on there lately, as well as Tridents. E400 MMC's are on the spreadsheet, Tridents aren't, some it might need changing.
If you say so.
Quote from: V89MOA on April 13, 2018, 10:46:28 AM
If you say so.
What are you getting annoyed about? I've just said that the spare MMC's are used on the 35, which they are. When they were new to YW, it was told the spares will be used on the 35. Sorry to criticise you on YW routes, never knew they meant the world to you...
Quote from: Jack on April 13, 2018, 10:49:09 AM
What are you getting annoyed about? I've just said that the spare MMC's are used on the 35, which they are. When they were new to YW, it was told the spares will be used on the 35. Sorry to criticise you on YW routes, never knew they meant the world to you...
You'll notice how I wasn't actually disagreeing with you or getting annoyed, simply ending the conversation... Try and read things properly before jumping into argument for the sake of it, your reputation preceeds you.
And No further comments are required on the subject! Winston
Reserve fleet 4180; 4181 & 4183 are all now at YW
If of any interest: 4180 - 76.
Quote from: Jack on May 05, 2018, 02:39:03 PM
If of any interest: 4180 - 76.
This is on either 49 or 76 every day at the moment.
4571 on the 35
Quote from: John Stait on June 15, 2018, 05:43:43 PM
A 61xx E400MMC on the 35 today.
4387 6
There is nothing unusual about a E400 MMC on the 35.
Gentlemen, gentlemen, this isnt the PENSNETT garage thread!!
There are often disputes over noseworthy workings - if you look through many bus books you'll find photos of the type of workings in dispute here, referred to as rare or unusual - these may be because it only occurred once a day or once a week - and most people didn't or don't know and it thus makes a really intersting photo to many - even if they did know....
So the information is useful to people even if it doesnt count as noseworthy by the rules of this forum (on the spreadsheet) - maybe it would be better referred to as an uncommon or unusual working.
Sorry didn't mean to start an argument.
@John Stait You Didn't! I've never known a thread cause so many arguments... Winston
Tridents have become a bit rarer on the 6 since 1932-1935 came back but I shall be told!
Anyway, 2249 on the 35 this afternoon - that must count?
Reserve Tridents 4181 and 4183 are back at YW today, one was on the 18 and one on the 49 (can't remember which!)
John
Just seen 4181 on the 49 leaving solihull a few minutes ago.
4183 is on the 76 - left solihull about 5 mins ago.
4728 operated todays YW 72 trip.
In Solihull going towards Chelmsley at about 15:50.
On Lode Lane heading back into Solihull at about 17:40.
Is 4394 back at YW? I'm on it on a Brum bound 35 right now but the main site shows it as a WA vehicle still.
Quote from: StourValley98 on July 11, 2018, 03:01:39 PM
Is 4394 back at YW? I'm on it on a Brum bound 35 right now but the main site shows it as a WA vehicle still.
Ages ago. Just accidentally missed on the main site
4592 is on the 6. Thought it was 4582 - with it being Voith n'all.
I would expect more deckers to operate on the 6 from the 22nd
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 11, 2018, 05:37:05 PM
4592 is on the 6. Thought it was 4582 - with it being Voith n'all.
I would expect more deckers to operate on the 6 from the 22nd
Why?
Quote from: Tony on July 11, 2018, 05:49:10 PM
Why?
Why did I expect it to be 4582, or why do I expect more deckers to be on the 6 from next Sunday?
- YW only have Voith tridents (not including the Enviros)
- With the withdrawal of the 31 and changes to the 5, the 6 will be left to pick up the slack along that section of the Stratford Road
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 11, 2018, 05:56:45 PM
Why did I expect it to be 4582, or why do I expect more deckers to be on the 6 from next Sunday?
- YW only have Voith tridents (not including the Enviros)
- With the withdrawal of the 31 and changes to the 5, the 6 will be left to pick up the slack along that section of the Stratford Road
No more doubles on the 6. The last thing we need is to have to fit even more buses with traps
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 11, 2018, 05:37:05 PM
4592 is on the 6. Thought it was 4582 - with it being Voith n'all.
I would expect more deckers to operate on the 6 from the 22nd
4592 is ZF not Voith
@Sh4318
Quote from: Tony on July 11, 2018, 06:25:35 PM
No more doubles on the 6. The last thing we need is to have to fit even more buses with traps
I think it was a fair assumption to make (although 'expect' probably was the wrong choice of word) given that section of the Stratford Road is losing 6 double decker buses per hour
Quote from: Squiz1971 on July 11, 2018, 07:12:24 PM
4592 is ZF not Voith @Sh4318
Yes, I'm aware of that
Quote from: Tony on July 11, 2018, 05:49:10 PM
Why?
Will the the 6 cope on the Stratford Road without the 31?, the 5 will be turning off earlier than before due to it's re-routing.
So have the the passengers declined on the Stratford Road?, or could it be that when the the changes come into force it will coincide with the holiday timetables therefore there could be increases from September ?
Saw 1932 on Sandy Lane in Perry Beeches heading towards Aldridge Road. Heading for Walsall for its repaint?
saw 1935 heading in the other direction looking fresh
Quote from: cris 99 on July 25, 2018, 03:21:33 PM
saw 1935 heading in the other direction looking fresh
1932 must 1935's replacement in the paint shop, was weird seeing a SD bus on Sandy Lane, it does get the usual TGB Deckers on private hire but this is the first time I've ever seen an SD use it.
does seem a very weird way to go lol
6131 seems to have been vandalised with graffiti on the driver's side.
i hope whoever did it gets caught
Was slightly amused yesterday by the sight of 4555 trundling along Yardley Wood Road on the 2, still "proud to carry the passengers of Wolverhampton" :D
4729 is on the 49
Quote from: Stu on August 18, 2018, 10:05:24 AM
Was slightly amused yesterday by the sight of 4555 trundling along Yardley Wood Road on the 2, still "proud to carry the passengers of Wolverhampton" :D
I saw it on the 6 this morning in Solihull at 09:45, still "proud to carry the passengers of Wolverhampton"
Was surprised to see "proudly serving the City of Wolverhampton since 1900" in Solihull.
Does anyone know if Yardley Wood still operate the journey on the 72 that leave Solihull at about 15:50?
they do I saw a trident 4545 at the radleys going towards chemsley wood the other day
Quote from: Jordan on September 05, 2018, 10:09:24 PM
they do I saw a trident 4545 at the radleys going towards chemsley wood the other day
Thanks for the info, most apreciated, will look for that journey tomorrow tomorrow.
Quote from: V89MOA on September 13, 2018, 09:10:44 AM
2235 is on the 27
@V89MOA if that's the one I saw this morning about 8:20am, it was also slightly lost; it was turning left from Trittiford Road onto Yardley Wood Road :D
Quote from: Stu on September 13, 2018, 06:14:24 PM
@V89MOA if that's the one I saw this morning about 8:20am, it was also slightly lost; it was turning left from Trittiford Road onto Yardley Wood Road :D
I wouldn't fancy trying that corner in the opposite direction!
Been sent a photo of 6148 on the 6, no idea if it's unusual or not so posted here.
Quote from: Jack on September 20, 2018, 09:17:00 PM
Been sent a photo of 6148 on the 6, no idea if it's unusual or not so posted here.
I wouldn't call it unusual for an unbranded example
Quote from: 2206 on September 22, 2018, 11:22:00 AM
YW 2/3 - 2230.
I'm not sure what is going on at YW garage recently, but while single decks seemed to be an occasional novelty, there does appear to be an increased number of them regularly appearing on both the 2 and 3 routes.
Which isn't so bad during the daytimes and later evenings, but double decks are certainly welcome during peak times, especially between Stoney Lane and city centre.
Quote from: Stu on September 22, 2018, 07:08:04 PM
I'm not sure what is going on at YW garage recently, but while single decks seemed to be an occasional novelty, there does appear to be an increased number of them regularly appearing on both the 2 and 3 routes.
Which isn't so bad during the daytimes and later evenings, but double decks are certainly welcome during peak times, especially between Stoney Lane and city centre.
It's funny how this has all started since the big trident swap... It's almost as if they are now short of reliable deckers that actually work! The singles have been sneaking back onto the 49 and 76 too as well as the branded buses that have started going off route regularly (and of course the loan buses last week).
Just passed a Birmingham-bound 4181 on the Aston Expressway displaying "A52 Birmingham City Centre"
Quote from: CL on October 01, 2018, 01:35:42 PM
Just passed a Birmingham-bound 4181 on the Aston Expressway displaying "A52 Birmingham City Centre"
Probably because it was operating the A52 from BC garage
Quote from: Tony on October 01, 2018, 01:38:17 PM
Probably because it was operating the A52 from BC garage
That'll make sense. I had thought the A52 was withdrawn. ???
For clarity, I'd posted here as I'm going off of the information on 4181's photo page
Quote from: CL on October 01, 2018, 01:42:41 PM
That'll make sense. I had thought the A52 was withdrawn. ???
For clarity, I'd posted here as I'm going off of the information on 4181's photo page
It's one of the 'in use reserve fleet vehicles' so will turn up where needed.
The A52 started again yesterday
Quote from: Tony on October 01, 2018, 01:44:20 PM
It's one of the 'in use reserve fleet vehicles' so will turn up where needed.
The A52 started again yesterday
Oh, ok. Thanks for the clarity
Quote from: Tony on October 01, 2018, 01:44:20 PM
It's one of the 'in use reserve fleet vehicles' so will turn up where needed.
The A52 started again yesterday
I've seen it on the 14 a few times over the last few weeks and it's been on the X70 at least once.
4569 (I think it was that one) was at Yardley Swan unusually yesterday morning at 07:50, presumably heading towards Coventry for its MOT.
Unusual to see a YW bus at the Swan.
Quote from: Stu on August 18, 2018, 10:05:24 AM
Was slightly amused yesterday by the sight of 4555 trundling along Yardley Wood Road on the 2, still "proud to carry the passengers of Wolverhampton" :D
Is there any reason why this hasn't been removed yet?
They certainly seem to be in no rush to remove this of 4555 and 4556, they are still carring it today, 4556 was on the 76.
2236's displays didn't seem to be working early, on the 6 I assume?
Its been just over a month since I moved house and started regularly catching the 2 and 3 services to get home from work, and one thing I have found quite remarkable, especially during the evening peaks, is how these services actually seem to run on time and be fairly reliable, despite the traffic congestion.
While you tend to find the 4, 4A and 6 services regularly bunching and arriving together, give or take a couple of minutes the 2 and 3 do turn up at the advertised times at Auckland Road in Sparkbrook from city. Unless they are running 18 to 20 minutes late in which case I am not noticing!
So, a quick hats off to Yardley Wood garage, if I may!
Quote from: Stu on October 05, 2018, 09:00:26 PM
Its been just over a month since I moved house and started regularly catching the 2 and 3 services to get home from work, and one thing I have found quite remarkable, especially during the evening peaks, is how these services actually seem to run on time and be fairly reliable, despite the traffic congestion.
While you tend to find the 4, 4A and 6 services regularly bunching and arriving together, give or take a couple of minutes the 2 and 3 do turn up at the advertised times at Auckland Road in Sparkbrook from city. Unless they are running 18 to 20 minutes late in which case I am not noticing!
So, a quick hats off to Yardley Wood garage, if I may!
Is it better with both routes using Stoney Lane ?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 06, 2018, 11:24:49 AM
Is it better with both routes using Stoney Lane ?
I would say that passengers boarding and alighting along Stoney Lane have definitely benefitted from an increased frequency, yes. During the peaks, both the 2 and 3 are carrying good loads, and it can get a little uncomfortable when a single decker gets put on though.
There have been times when I regularly used the 3 and its predecessors and I found it quite quick too.
The 2 and 3 are fortunate in that once off the Stratford Road they use mainly uncongested streets, with no busy shopping areas, which clearly is a big help when it comes to timekeeping.
Quote from: Justin Tyme on October 06, 2018, 04:02:30 PM
There have been times when I regularly used the 3 and its predecessors and I found it quite quick too.
The 2 and 3 are fortunate in that once off the Stratford Road they use mainly uncongested streets, with no busy shopping areas, which clearly is a big help when it comes to timekeeping.
I agree about the Stratford Road - out of city, it is time-consuming for the bus to wait for an opportunity to turn right onto Highgate Road, and likewise towards city, it can get frustrating coming from Stoney Lane onto Highgate Road and then to turn left onto Stratford Road. The left-turn traffic lights seem to stay on red for ages, and of course it doesn't help when selfish motorists block the box-junction either. Some bus priority measures at this junction wouldn't go amiss.
But then yes, barring a bit of congestion along Stoney Lane, once onto Yardley Wood Road both routes fly along with relative ease. The journey home in the evening is actually much quicker than the journey to work in the morning.
The only other pinch-point along that route that I would suggest the council look at is in Billesley, the row of shops after the Brook Lane island, there must be scope to remove some pavement and build parking bays to widen the road slightly. It gets tricky to navigate through there when there is a queue of traffic heading towards Brook Lane, as southbound traffic gets blocked by the parked cars.
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/yardley-wood-bus-garages-80th-birthday-
There's a heritage circular service operating on the day - via Billesley, Yardley Wood Train Station and Maypole.
Does anyone here from NX know if the '50% off fares when presenting a valid National Express West Midlands travel card, daysaver or mTicket.' offer would be valid if I have a student term Network pass?
Quote from: StourValley98 on October 10, 2018, 03:15:51 PM
Does anyone here from NX know if the '50% off fares when presenting a valid National Express West Midlands travel card, daysaver or mTicket.' offer would be valid if I have a student term Network pass?
No it wouldn't. Simply because you've brought a NWM pass not a National Express pass.
Quote from: Dom on October 10, 2018, 03:23:11 PM
No it wouldn't. Simply because you've brought a NWM pass not a National Express pass.
That's a bit daft then when it covers you for NX buses just the same as one of their passes. ::)
Quote from: StourValley98 on October 10, 2018, 04:22:05 PM
That's a bit daft then when it covers you for NX buses just the same as one of their passes. ::)
Not at all. Different issuing companies.
Quote from: Dom on October 10, 2018, 04:27:03 PM
Not at all. Different issuing companies.
Talking of different issuing companies, West Midlands Travel card systems were responsible for Centrocard, Busmaster and Nbus. Has this now changed with the current range by Swift and Network WM?
Quote from: Gareth on October 10, 2018, 06:50:25 PM
Talking of different issuing companies, West Midlands Travel card systems were responsible for Centrocard, Busmaster and Nbus. Has this now changed with the current range by Swift and Network WM?
NX Travelcards are issued by NX Bus (a lot of there travelcards are certainly on Swift cards these days - not sure which ones specifically, it may be that they all are on Swift now?).
N Bus/Network Travelcards are issued by NWM (A lot of theres are on swift as well) - when I used to have one mine was certainly issued by NWM.
Its been this way for as long I can remember personally, at least the last 10 - 12 years.
Though it looks like you may be able to purchase them of NX aswell, potentially -
https://nxbus.co.uk/travelcards/results/west-midlands/nbus
How nice an birthday open day in November will they have there new buses by then?
@Tony is there any reason why the 3 journey towards Birmingham timetabled to arrive at Trittiford Road (Hullbrook Road) at 8:06am this morning failed to run? It wasn't tracking on the NX Bus app, and I was at the stop from 8:03am.
I must add at this point that I think it was last week that this particular journey only turned up once that week, so while I would forgive a one-off "no-show", I am concerned that this may become a regular occurence?
@Stu I believe Tony is currently helping out at Xplore Dundee driving buses covering for driver shortages, therefore, is unlikely to be in a position to check at the moment, Winston
Quote from: Stu on October 12, 2018, 07:58:39 PM
@Tony is there any reason why the 3 journey towards Birmingham timetabled to arrive at Trittiford Road (Hullbrook Road) at 8:06am this morning failed to run? It wasn't tracking on the NX Bus app, and I was at the stop from 8:03am.
I must add at this point that I think it was last week that this particular journey only turned up once that week, so while I would forgive a one-off "no-show", I am concerned that this may become a regular occurence?
@Stu I believe Tony is currently helping out at Xplore Dundee driving buses covering for driver shortages, therefore, is unlikely to be in a position to check at the moment, Winston
Winston is correct, I am having a few days playing at being a bus driver on the 22 from Cairgowl to Ninewells which I am quite enjoying, but have no access to many systems
Quote from: Tony on October 12, 2018, 08:12:51 PM
Winston is correct, I am having a few days playing at being a bus driver on the 22 from Cairgowl to Ninewells which I am quite enjoying, but have no access to many systems
No problem Tony, I'm going to report this to NX West Midlands anyway, I was just wondering if you might have had any insight in the meantime. ;)
Quote from: Stu on October 12, 2018, 08:28:17 PM
No problem Tony, I'm going to report this to NX West Midlands anyway, I was just wondering if you might have had any insight in the meantime. ;)
2208 was on the 3 on loan today, this is guesswork but they probably didn't have any buses fit this morning hence the missing early trip (2234 allocated on there too). 2221 was also on the 6 today, I think they are struggling in general with the unreliable ex Wolves tat, definitely noticed a lot of odd workings and route brandeds straying since the big swap. They've had at least four different vehicles on loan this week too.
Quote from: V89MOA on October 12, 2018, 11:54:26 PM
2208 was on the 3 on loan today, this is guesswork but they probably didn't have any buses fit this morning hence the missing early trip (2234 allocated on there too). 2221 was also on the 6 today, I think they are struggling in general with the unreliable ex Wolves tat, definitely noticed a lot of odd workings and route brandeds straying since the big swap. They've had at least four different vehicles on loan this week too.
Or a number of the unreliable ex Wolves tat could be away receiving Euro 6 exhaust upgrades
Quote from: Winston on October 13, 2018, 12:32:10 AM
Or a number of the unreliable ex Wolves tat could be away receiving Euro 6 exhaust upgrades
I believe they were all done pre transfer at Park Lane. A couple stayed in service there after being done, for a short while, 4553 and 4592 iirc.
Quote from: V89MOA on October 12, 2018, 11:54:26 PM
2208 was on the 3 on loan today, this is guesswork but they probably didn't have any buses fit this morning hence the missing early trip (2234 allocated on there too). 2221 was also on the 6 today, I think they are struggling in general with the unreliable ex Wolves tat, definitely noticed a lot of odd workings and route brandeds straying since the big swap. They've had at least four different vehicles on loan this week too.
Unreliable ex Wolves tat?
Quote from: BN on October 13, 2018, 03:21:19 PM
Unreliable ex Wolves tat?
isn't it the other way around as in what wn lost gained in exchange BN?
Saw a 27 saying Harborne, On Diversion. In the same style as the short journey blinds, barely readable.
Quote from: j789 on October 16, 2018, 06:55:10 PM
Enviro 200 2240 was on the 50 this afternoon, never seen one on there before so guessing very rare. I also saw a branded E400 on the 18 route so these may possibly have swapped routes at some point today.
Further to this, again today at least 2 Tridents were on the 50 route seen in Druids Heath. Are YW short of E400s at the moment as over the last couple of weeks I have seen a fair few other types of vehicles used on the route and before that it was always very rare to see this. Also, the 18 seems to have more E200s on now too which is perhaps maybe related.
Quote from: j789 on October 17, 2018, 07:02:54 PM
Further to this, again today at least 2 Tridents were on the 50 route seen in Druids Heath. Are YW short of E400s at the moment as over the last couple of weeks I have seen a fair few other types of vehicles used on the route and before that it was always very rare to see this. Also, the 18 seems to have more E200s on now too which is perhaps maybe related.
Fear not, they'll be due a batch of new E400MMC Platinums for the 50 shortly (I'm convinced that's not rumour).
Quote from: Stu on October 12, 2018, 08:28:17 PM
No problem Tony, I'm going to report this to NX West Midlands anyway, I was just wondering if you might have had any insight in the meantime. ;)
Same journey did not turn up this morning again, and only a timetabled departure was shown on the app. >:(
I haven't studied the timetable in detail, but I am presuming that this journey is part of some extra peak board that runs, as the 2 and 3 seem to run to odd times between 8am and 9am towards city.
It's not such a hardship for me as its only a few extra minutes walk up to Yardley Wood Road to get the 2, but it does impact on loadings further up the route when the 3 journey doesn't run as timetabled.
Quote from: j789 on October 17, 2018, 07:02:54 PM
Further to this, again today at least 2 Tridents were on the 50 route seen in Druids Heath. Are YW short of E400s at the moment as over the last couple of weeks I have seen a fair few other types of vehicles used on the route and before that it was always very rare to see this. Also, the 18 seems to have more E200s on now too which is perhaps maybe related.
There were two E400MMCs on the 2 and 3 today, as well as a couple of E200MMCs. There's definitely something going on at YW, see my comments about a specific 3 journey not even running in the morning.
Quote from: Stu on October 17, 2018, 08:04:48 PM
There were two E400MMCs on the 2 and 3 today, as well as a couple of E200MMCs. There's definitely something going on at YW, see my comments about a specific 3 journey not even running in the morning.
Plus YW lost 6123 & 6124 to PN in Sept.
Quote from: Stu on October 17, 2018, 08:04:48 PM
There were two E400MMCs on the 2 and 3 today, as well as a couple of E200MMCs. There's definitely something going on at YW, see my comments about a specific 3 journey not even running in the morning.
One of the E400MMCs was on the board that should do the 07:58 journey to city. The one you were waiting for. don't know what happened to that particular journey from home.
Do YW still have the reserve 'Y' reg Tridents as haven't seemed them for a while. Perhaps they are short of deckers so more Single deckers around on formally all decker routes like the 18. The 18s I sometimes see in the morning are heavily loaded with school children and single deckers do not seem ideal on the route.
Quote from: j789 on October 17, 2018, 09:11:38 PM
Do YW still have the reserve 'Y' reg Tridents as haven't seemed them for a while. Perhaps they are short of deckers so more Single deckers around on formally all decker routes like the 18. The 18s I sometimes see in the morning are heavily loaded with school children and single deckers do not seem ideal on the route.
They're at Birmingham Central now.
They've certainly both been on the 14 a few times now.
Quote from: 2206 on October 17, 2018, 09:18:55 PM
They're at Birmingham Central now.
They've certainly both been on the 14 a few times now.
4183 has had an RTC and is now being scrapped
Quote from: Tony on October 17, 2018, 09:19:54 PM
4183 has had an RTC and is now being scrapped
I think I saw one on the 45 this morning in cotteridge so guess that is the surviving one.
Quote from: 2206 on October 17, 2018, 09:18:55 PM
They're at Birmingham Central now.
They've certainly both been on the 14 a few times now.
I've been seeing them a lot on the X70 too.
4550 was on the 50 in evening peak
The water main/sewerworks at Haunch lane on the 18 route seemed to be cauing quite a few problems today. I was at the Yardley Wood bus garage stop at 11:54 for the 11:55 journey. It didn't show as far as I am aware. The 12:05 journey also didn't show or was running late.
Eventually an 18 did show just before 12:15 (4591) and we set off, sadly the diversion plus quite heavy traffic meant that we were further delayed. Just after Northfield I heard the driver say that he was being turned at Bangham Pit, so i decided to get off and wait for the bus behind along with several other people. This bus was right behind and we soon caught 4591 up and overtook, not excatly what had been planned.
When I got off at Bartley Green, what should turn up but 4591 with passengers still on board.
Quote from: Mike K on October 17, 2018, 07:47:36 PM
Fear not, they'll be due a batch of new E400MMC Platinums for the 50 shortly (I'm convinced that's not rumour).
Hmm.. I'm sure that this isn't a rumour and that it's been confirmed.
Quote from: WestMidlandsTravels on November 02, 2018, 02:37:56 PM
Hmm.. I'm sure that this isn't a rumour and that it's been confirmed.
Yes that's correct.
Tony has already confirmed the 50 is getting new vehicles and said YW are getting a batch of new E400 MMC, as are PN for the 9 and X10, on top of BC for the X70 and CV for the 11/11U/12X. With 6101 to 6110 staying at PN and 6111 to 6148 going to Acocks Green for the 11A and 11C.
If you have a have a look at the main site and there is a list of which platinums are on order for which depot.
But at the time of
@Mike K's post (nearly 3 weeks ago now), it hadn't been confirmed yet
Regarding the shuttle service to YW this weekend, where exactly will it stop on Coldbath Road? I looked at that road on google maps and I couldn't see any bus stops along the road?
Quote from: 2206 on November 06, 2018, 02:30:55 PM
Regarding the shuttle service to YW this weekend, where exactly will it stop on Coldbath Road? I looked at that road on google maps and I couldn't see any bus stops along the road?
Should be by the Billesley pub,it's a bit misleading as it's where it passes Coldbath Road not on it.
If the stop for the shuttle on Saturday is by the Billesley Pub, is it the 11A stop or the 11C stop? The 11C stop looks the most likely.
Is there any more details of this shuttle on Saturday?
Is there timetables, details of stops etc?
I'm coming from Walsall into Brum.
Quote from: Westy on November 06, 2018, 09:11:43 PM
Is there any more details of this shuttle on Saturday?
Is there timetables, details of stops etc?
I'm coming from Walsall into Brum.
On the NX website.
It doesn't go to the City Centre but you can get the 2 from Carrs Lane to the Garage. Or, the train from Moor Street/Snow Hill to Yardley Wood, then shuttle bus to the garage.
Stops on the shuttle bus are:
Billesley - connections with the 11.
Yardley Wood Station - connections with the train (Snow Hill Line).
Yardley Wood Garage.
Maypole.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on November 06, 2018, 07:36:51 PM
If the stop for the shuttle on Saturday is by the Billesley Pub, is it the 11A stop or the 11C stop? The 11C stop looks the most likely.
Yes 11c
On behalf of my brother, compliments to the 'chefs' at the garage.
He enjoyed the curry & the walnut cake!
By the way, what do you use the gas fork lift truck for?
I know we use ours for unloading outside because of the weather mainly!
Quote from: Westy on November 10, 2018, 01:30:01 PM
On behalf of my brother, compliments to the 'chefs' at the garage.
He enjoyed the curry & the walnut cake!
What Curry, what Walnut cake, I never saw it? :'( :'( :'(
One of the Tridents which have "proudly serving Wolverhampton" on them was on the YW 72 this evening, very far away from Wolverhampton in Chelmsley Wood, Sheldon and Solihull.
Is there any reason why this hasn't been removed yet, as they've been at Yardley Wood for some time now?
Quote from: 2206 on November 13, 2018, 07:04:59 PM
One of the Tridents which have "proudly serving Wolverhampton" on them was on the YW 72 this evening, very far away from Wolverhampton in Chelmsley Wood, Sheldon and Solihull.
Is there any reason why this hasn't been removed yet, as they've been at Yardley Wood for some time now?
Perhaps they haven't got around to it yet? To be honest, I'd rather they were travelling around in service rather than being stuck in garage having decals removed.
Debranding of the 50 MMCs has now started.
Quote from: 2206 on November 13, 2018, 07:04:59 PM
One of the Tridents which have "proudly serving Wolverhampton" on them was on the YW 72 this evening, very far away from Wolverhampton in Chelmsley Wood, Sheldon and Solihull.
Is there any reason why this hasn't been removed yet, as they've been at Yardley Wood for some time now?
Waiting until repaint into Crimson?
Quote from: Kevin on November 14, 2018, 09:55:56 AM
Waiting until repaint into Crimson?
Weren't these buses some of the last to receive red & cream, so doubt whether they will be to high on the list for Crimson!
Quote from: Kevin on November 14, 2018, 09:55:56 AM
Waiting until repaint into Crimson?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 14, 2018, 10:01:41 AM
Weren't these buses some of the last to receive red & cream, so doubt whether they will be to high on the list for Crimson!
Furthermore, I'm sure it's been mentioned that the buses from 2007 onwards would now be prioritised for Crimsoning; leaving little to no room for anymore Tridents or Geminis
Quote from: CL on November 14, 2018, 10:12:19 AM
Furthermore, I'm sure it's been mentioned that the buses from 2007 onwards would now be prioritised for Crimsoning; leaving little to no room for anymore Tridents or Geminis
Yes, it was said a while back, that its not viable for the amount of time they have left in service and that any looking a mess will just receive quick repaints in red and white.
To be fair, I slightly forgot that these are 15 years old already, so yeah every chance that the repaint program wouldn't have been finished by the time these would be withdrawn. I think it's only just dawned on me that we don't have Tridents left for long :'(
Still, some are quite tatty inside, caught 4550 at the weekend and the seats were very worn.
Evening all, I'm hoping I have put this in the right place but is there any truth in the 27 ( Maypole - Harborne) going back to its old route ( Maypole - Hawkesley) as residents in Harborne have been telling people that they have received some sort of Letter/Leaflet from NXWM saying they are thinking about sending the 27 back to its old route but are looking for a Replacement first. #Rumour.
Quote from: 4369Beast on November 16, 2018, 10:16:24 PM
Evening all, I'm hoping I have put this in the right place but is there any truth in the 27 ( Maypole - Harborne) going back to its old route ( Maypole - Hawkesley) as residents in Harborne have been telling people that they have received some sort of Letter/Leaflet from NXWM saying they are thinking about sending the 27 back to its old route but are looking for a Replacement first. #Rumour.
Surely they cannot do that as the 27 was rerouted to replace part of the 29.
That would mean eithier the 48 being rerouted from QE Hospital, Right Midelsohn way, Left Metchley lane, then former 29 route to Northfield via California, Weoley castle and Shenley lane. Although I can't see that happening as the 48 replaced the 84 between QE Hospital and Hawkesley. The only other alternative i can think of is extend the current 49 to Harborne from Northfield as it has already been extended to Weoley castle before and therefore Harborne is only a bit further on.
I wouldn't be surprised if the 27 were changed at some stage but it seems very soon after the South Birmingham review changes were implemented for them to be changing things already.
I also fully expect that the absurdly long 48 won't last in its current form, and there to be changes to the frankly disastrous QE "express"(!) services in due course
Quote from: 4369Beast on November 16, 2018, 11:00:26 PM
That would mean eithier the 48 being rerouted from QE Hospital, Right Midelsohn way, Left Metchley lane, then former 29 route to Northfield via California, Weoley castle and Shenley lane. Although I can't see that happening as the 48 replaced the 84 between QE Hospital and Hawkesley. The only other alternative i can think of is extend the current 49 to Harborne from Northfield as it has already been extended to Weoley castle before and therefore Harborne is only a bit further on.
If they are going to replace it, why does it have to be replaced by an exsisting service?
Couldn't it operate on its self as an individual Northfield to Harborne service, maybe numbered 29 as it previously was.
The 49 is long enough as it is (Northfield to Solihull) and looking at the timetable a single AM peak trip is timetabled to take up to 1 hour 45 minutes from Northfield to Solihull, the "Absurdly long" 48's timetable also shows the journeys take approximately that length of time, surely if the 49 is extended any further than it already is then its going to just become rather unreliable.
Well the word from the passengers is that the 27 is changing and they have had information saying so and they are approaching drivers on the 27 asking them whats happening with it/ whats replacing it and the drivers haven't got a clue and so they pass the info back to garage.
Thing is, with any new/amended services, you have to give them time to bed in, they haven't been running for 6 months yet and so I don't reckon they will do anything just yet unless it is an emergency.
Nothing is shown on VOSA so any changes are likely to be up to 8 weeks away.
Quote from: 4369Beast on November 16, 2018, 11:48:36 PM
Well the word from the passengers is that the 27 is changing and they have had information saying so and they are approaching drivers on the 27 asking them whats happening with it/ whats replacing it and the drivers haven't got a clue and so they pass the info back to garage.
Leaflet dropping residents telling them their service may be withdrawn but having no confirmed replacement lined up sounds like strange marketing but I guess it remains to be seen what truth there is in that. I do think some aspects of the South Birmingham review have worked quite well, despite my protestations at the time, but other parts have clearly not; Weoley Castle has seen a significant degradation in its bus services.
I'm only saying what i was told from a mate of mine who is a driver at YW.
Quote from: 2206 on November 16, 2018, 11:31:49 PM
If they are going to replace it, why does it have to be replaced by an exsisting service?
Couldn't it operate on its self as an individual Northfield to Harborne service, maybe numbered 29 as it previously was.
The 49 is long enough as it is (Northfield to Solihull) and looking at the timetable a single AM peak trip is timetabled to take up to 1 hour 45 minutes from Northfield to Solihull, the "Absurdly long" 48's timetable also shows the journeys take approximately that length of time, surely if the 49 is extended any further than it already is then its going to just become rather unreliable.
Or renumber it the
X23 and send it to QE/Uni then
express to Birmingham following the X20-X22 routes ::)
Quote from: 4369Beast on November 16, 2018, 11:00:26 PM
That would mean eithier the 48 being rerouted from QE Hospital, Right Midelsohn way, Left Metchley lane, then former 29 route to Northfield via California, Weoley castle and Shenley lane. Although I can't see that happening as the 48 replaced the 84 between QE Hospital and Hawkesley. The only other alternative i can think of is extend the current 49 to Harborne from Northfield as it has already been extended to Weoley castle before and therefore Harborne is only a bit further on.
I think rerouting 48 would be a good move. The 84 hasn't been doing well for ages and it used to have frequency up to every 20 minutes iirc. However, I liked someone's suggestion that the 84 would have been useful if it extended to Harborne with every 30 minutes frequency.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 16, 2018, 11:56:13 PM
Thing is, with any new/amended services, you have to give them time to bed in, they haven't been running for 6 months yet and so I don't reckon they will do anything just yet unless it is an emergency.
Nothing is shown on VOSA so any changes are likely to be up to 8 weeks away.
No, but they've been running for 4 months now. Quite frankly that's long enough in my opinion to know that it just isn't going to work. I don't know why anybody thought rerouting the 27 would be a good idea.
4547 is on the 50.
It's currently parked up along Selfridges
Quote from: Kevin on November 14, 2018, 10:31:21 AM
To be fair, I slightly forgot that these are 15 years old already, so yeah every chance that the repaint program wouldn't have been finished by the time these would be withdrawn. I think it's only just dawned on me that we don't have Tridents left for long :'(
Still, some are quite tatty inside, caught 4550 at the weekend and the seats were very worn.
Are you sure it was 4550? Saw it today with very new looking grey seats. 4588 and 4592 are ones with dreadful interiors.
Quote from: Jack on November 17, 2018, 07:38:50 PM
Are you sure it was 4550? Saw it today with very new looking grey seats. 4588 and 4592 are ones with dreadful interiors.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bigdan14025/44075269290/in/photolist-2a9Mh13-YcdkuV-Y4WQyk-VYHjrQ-V8ZSF9-MwAfjV-JBefaT-HoB7s1-HoB7xw-GU2GeU-RKGjeQ-CQGJHf-jcRESA-e6pkzo-cMDqe7-cE7rwm-asUj4s-agBPzP-9YmB3h-6ReQS2-93FEd7/ - In this pic dated 10/11 it has its original blue seats.
4551's seats are threadbare as well, I caught it on the 72 the other week.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 29, 2018, 03:26:21 PM
Platty on 4A
4575-YW 6
Its not noteworthy, to see the odd Trident on the 6 alongside the E200 MMC and Omnilinks
@Trident 4194.
6902/3 on way to YW could possibly come out in service this afternoon
Quote from: Tony on November 30, 2018, 01:02:29 PM
6902/3 on way to YW could possibly come out in service this afternoon
Fingers crossed! :o
Quote from: Tony on November 30, 2018, 01:02:29 PM
6902/3 on way to YW could possibly come out in service this afternoon
Are either of them making their debut today or is there going to be a launch first ?
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on December 01, 2018, 10:19:07 AM
Are either of them making their debut today or is there going to be a launch first ?
Neither out yet.
These two will enter service before any launch. They are needed in use next week
Quote from: Tony on December 01, 2018, 10:27:32 AM
Neither out yet.
These two will enter service before any launch. They are needed in use next week
Ok thanks :)
What's the chances of the 2 new ones on the 50 been out o
Monday thanks
Quote from: Stu on December 02, 2018, 06:50:08 PM
While on a rare Sunday afternoon trip to Solihull, enjoyed a ride on an E400 MMC on the 76 (sorry, forgot fleet number now, think it was 6144?), and spotted another one on the 6 as well.
Seemed to be a few double decks on the 6 today, which I presume is unusual for a Sunday?
I don't tend to see many deckers in the week either - only 1 or 2 usually.
The large majority of buses on there are usually Omnilinks or E200 MMC.
Hi Does anyone happen to know what 27 was by Linden road, Bournville about 4:15 today? ( Fleetnumber) as an Incident occurred. This is a lady's post on facebook: To the group of girls on the 27 bus today that thought it was funny to torment and hit my registered blind and disabled brother, u have been reported to the police and investigations are underway! Absolutely disgusting that this happens, why someone thinks it's funny to slap a clearly disabled person around the head I'll never understand. Today at around 4.15 just before Linden road, bournville
It would appear that 6895 is at Coventry for what I believe is type training.
It's doing a few laps around Pool Meadow Bus Station, if anyone wants it.
4732 on 50
Just 6902 of the new ones seen so far
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on December 08, 2018, 10:38:34 AM
4732 on 50
Just 6902 of the new ones seen so far
6903 is out, should be two or three buses behind 02.
Quote from: V89MOA on December 08, 2018, 10:47:20 AM
6903 is out, should be two or three buses behind 02.
People should be looking for the y reg tridents and b7TL alx 400 not these things which litter the streets nowadays. Other than the branding there nothing special. Can't see the green working as well as the blue mind should the Hagley road receive green branding again.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 08, 2018, 11:11:13 AM
People should be looking for the y reg tridents and b7TL alx 400 not these things which litter the streets nowadays. Other than the branding there nothing special. Can't see the green working as well as the blue mind should the Hagley road receive green branding again.
From an enthusiast's point of view, I actually agree with you.
Although most people would prefer free WiFi, leather seats and USB ports for charging
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 08, 2018, 11:11:13 AM
People should be looking for the y reg tridents and b7TL alx 400 not these things which litter the streets nowadays. Other than the branding there nothing special. Can't see the green working as well as the blue mind should the Hagley road receive green branding again.
As far as i'm concerned, I have grew up around Enviros so that's what i will remember in the future. The ALX B7s are not my kind of bus anyway. And i agree there's too many Platinums which is why i am getting my last photos and rides of 61s on the 50.
Yes i have seen 6903, and 4731 is on the 50
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on December 08, 2018, 11:40:54 AM
As far as i'm concerned, I have grew up around Enviros so that's what i will remember in the future. The ALX B7s are not my kind of bus anyway. And i agree there's too many Platinums which is why i am getting my last photos and rides of 61s on the 50.
Yes i have seen 6903, and 4731 is on the 50
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on December 08, 2018, 11:40:54 AM
As far as i'm concerned, I have grew up around Enviros so that's what i will remember in the future. The ALX B7s are not my kind of bus anyway. And i agree there's too many Platinums which is why i am getting my last photos and rides of 61s on the 50.
Yes i have seen 6903, and 4731 is on the 50
Well said Dylan, the sooner those old heaps are gone the better
Those 'Old Heaps' are what you call a bus, not brand new ADL Plastic.
Quote from: Jack on December 08, 2018, 02:42:08 PM
Those 'Old Heaps' are what you call a bus, not brand new ADL Plastic.
No,what I call a bus are our two preserved vehicles built long before ALXs
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 08, 2018, 11:11:13 AM
People should be looking for the y reg tridents and b7TL alx 400 not these things which litter the streets nowadays. Other than the branding there nothing special. Can't see the green working as well as the blue mind should the Hagley road receive green branding again.
Who are you to be telling people what they should be doing with their time? The new stuff doesn't interest me as much but there are people who are interested so that's their choice. It's no one elses business to be telling others which buses they should be catching and quite frankly none of your business.
Note. Apologies Tony & Winston. I don't post much other than sightings on here but thought something was worth saying. I'm not trying to cause a rift, just making a valid point. Regards.
Quote from: Jack on December 08, 2018, 02:42:08 PM
Those 'Old Heaps' are what you call a bus, not brand new ADL Plastic.
When these 'old heaps' were brand new in 2001, everyone was calling them ADL plastic. I fail to see any nostalgia with them - literally thousands of dull generic ALX400 bodies buses run by every major operator across the country. I see no difference between these and the latest new deliveries in that respect, other than the new ones are far more pleasant to travel on.
At least many of the buses that preceded the B7TLs and Tridents had some characteristics that made them unique to the West Midlands.
I was just behind 4570 on the 49 on Bristol Road South and I noticed that the top right cluster when moving was flickering but fine when brakes are applied.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 08, 2018, 11:11:13 AM
People should be looking for the y reg tridents and b7TL alx 400 not these things which litter the streets nowadays. Other than the branding there nothing special. Can't see the green working as well as the blue mind should the Hagley road receive green branding again.
Or... People can enjoy whatever they want to enjoy....
Quote from: Kevin on December 10, 2018, 03:44:01 PM
Or... People can enjoy whatever they want to enjoy....
They're not mutually exclusive either, people can look for the older ones just fine while also keeping an eye out for any new deliveries.
6904 & 6905 both out today for the first time today
6806 is also out
Quote from: Solo1 on December 11, 2018, 11:51:24 AM
6806 is also out
6907 could possibly be as well. Tracker isn't working on it
How is the 27 doing these days? It always looks so empty when I see it.
Quote from: OH25 on December 12, 2018, 04:30:01 PM
two 61** E400MMC was on the 24 earlier and one was on the 60 this afternoon
6141 & 6143 were on 23 & 24 and 6147 was on the 60 :)
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 11, 2018, 09:16:00 PM
How is the 27 doing these days? It always looks so empty when I see it.
I have seen several full peak time 27s down Harborne Park Road, near to the start of the route, so clearly a lot of people still using it from Harborne onwards. I'd imagine that the same number of people would use it between Harborne and Northfield as the 29 had as there is little frequency or route difference.
Quote from: j789 on December 12, 2018, 06:40:17 PM
I have seen several full peak time 27s down Harborne Park Road, near to the start of the route, so clearly a lot of people still using it from Harborne onwards. I'd imagine that the same number of people would use it between Harborne and Northfield as the 29 had as there is little frequency or route difference.
The 48 also goes to Northfield from harborne. How does the 48 do regards loadinga? Busy between West Brom and QE but unsure on past that.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 12, 2018, 06:45:54 PM
The 48 also goes to Northfield from harborne. How does the 48 do regards loadinga? Busy between West Brom and QE but unsure on past that.
The 48 route from Harborne to Northfield passes through most of Western Europe (well QE Hospital, Selly Oak, Bournville, Cotteridge, Pool Farm, Hawkesley, West Heath and Turves Green to be precise) so nobody in their right frame of mind would use it between those two places. You'd be quicker walking. So it isn't an alternative to the 27 in that respect.
Quote from: Mike K on December 12, 2018, 07:13:34 PM
The 48 route from Harborne to Northfield passes through most of Western Europe (well QE Hospital, Selly Oak, Bournville, Cotteridge, Pool Farm, Hawkesley, West Heath and Turves Green to be precise) so nobody in their right frame of mind would use it between those two places. You'd be quicker walking. So it isn't an alternative to the 27 in that respect.
Haha yes it is very windy that route. Imagine if they decided to combine the 48 and 49 at Northfield, now that would take in pretty much every street in the West Midlands!
Quote from: j789 on December 12, 2018, 06:40:17 PM
I have seen several full peak time 27s down Harborne Park Road, near to the start of the route, so clearly a lot of people still using it from Harborne onwards. I'd imagine that the same number of people would use it between Harborne and Northfield as the 29 had as there is little frequency or route difference.
Not necessarily unless there's still a fair few willing to get the 23/24 into Harborne and then change. Some people have probably found alternatives.
I'd throw it out there that an extension of the 27 up beyond Harborne to Five Ways could placate those still complaining about the loss of the 29
Quote from: Kevin on December 13, 2018, 07:37:33 AM
I'd throw it out there that an extension of the 27 up beyond Harborne to Five Ways could placate those still complaining about the loss of the 29
You'd probably never see the 27 if that happened.
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 13, 2018, 10:46:09 AM
You'd probably never see the 27 if that happened.
I'll be honest I didn't think that through at all... I was only thinking about the old 29 section, completely forgetting the stretch beyond Northfield. My bad.
29 as was, just not all the way to city.
Quote from: Kevin on December 13, 2018, 11:40:18 AM
I'll be honest I didn't think that through at all... I was only thinking about the old 29 section, completely forgetting the stretch beyond Northfield. My bad.
29 as was, just not all the way to city.
If you go from Northfield to Five Ways though you might as well just carry on into City.
Yardley Wood have now received all of 6902-6914. All could be out on Monday
Quote from: Kevin on December 13, 2018, 07:37:33 AM
I'd throw it out there that an extension of the 27 up beyond Harborne to Five Ways could placate those still complaining about the loss of the 29
When I was at YW, I actually suggested that before the changes but was told it wasn't possible due to traffic conditions.
Nine new ones out today including a couple of debutants
6902; 6903; 6904; 6905; 6906; 6908; 6909; 6912; 6914
Quote from: Tony on December 17, 2018, 08:26:38 AM
Nine new ones out today including a couple of debutants
6902; 6903; 6904; 6905; 6906; 6908; 6909; 6912; 6914
Just been told 6912 is on the 2/3 by its driver
now that i would love to see any times?
In City now
Is it on the 3 or 2
i think they interwork not too sure though
Quote from: cris 99 on December 17, 2018, 09:56:31 AM
i think they interwork not too sure though
They both interwork yes...
Quote from: Jack on December 17, 2018, 03:51:28 PM
They both interwork yes...
I believe interworking is now limited, only a few journeys do so. 6912 was still on the 3 this evening.
The board it was on would have done a 2 trip at 15:38, but then gone back onto 3s again til finish.
To clarify for those who care, the 2 & 3 do still interwork but it is mainly just 1/2 trips at peaks only, rest of the day they stick to the same route.
6906 now has working next stop announcements on the 50.
Around 10:25/30 this moring Arond 3/4 50 branded e400mmc went past me towards Wolverhampton at Tesco Dudley (burnt tree)
Quote from: Jack6101 on January 06, 2019, 10:33:10 PM
Around 10:25/30 this moring Arond 3/4 50 branded e400mmc went past me towards Wolverhampton at Tesco Dudley (burnt tree)
They would have been coming back from an official company photo shoot at Maypole.
Are they all at YW now or back at PL
Quote from: 37351ml on January 07, 2019, 01:36:27 PM
Are they all at YW now or back at PL
At least 4 at Wolverhampton when I was there this morning.
Does anyone know what time 6140 is due in Solihull
These are apparently "leaks"
https://youtu.be/Kcs31L-uYJo
😂😂😂
6944 now at Yardley Wood
On NX bus twitter page it says all 22 buses are now in service on the 50 service
Quote from: Tony on January 11, 2019, 08:40:43 AM
6944 now at Yardley Wood
Spotted it this morning heading south down Yardley Wood Road through Moseley. 8)
Quote from: Solo1 on January 11, 2019, 09:05:04 AM
On NX bus twitter page it says all 22 buses are now in service on the 50 service
I had a trip on a 50 service earlier in the week from mid-day and I saw all new stock from 6902 to 6914 and 6134/35/40 total (16) there was no sign of any
of the 6893 to 6901 group. are they still destined to go to YW? or where /when are we likely to see them in service?
Quote from: MasterPlan (in Noteworthy Workings thread) on January 17, 2019, 10:11:25 PM
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2240 - 27
Are the MMCs really noteworthy on the 27? In my experience, there always seem to be one on there whenever I've seen it, albeit not very often.
Apologies if the question came off as condescending; I didn't mean for it to be.
Quote from: CL on January 18, 2019, 12:40:28 AM
Are the MMCs really noteworthy on the 27? In my experience, there always seem to be one on there whenever I've seen it, albeit not very often.
Apologies if the question came off as condescending; I didn't mean for it to be.
Always seems to be one on there when I see the route but could just be my luck ;)
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on January 18, 2019, 03:52:04 PM
Always seems to be one on there when I see the route but could just be my luck ;)
There always seems to be a Scania or two on the 6 too so I guess it's potluck.
From my own observations, the 27 has gone back to being mostly OmniLink operated, though there was a period when the E200s were quite common.
As the 27 can only use single-decks, its probably fair to assume that it wouldn't be unusual to see an E200 on there.
6893 - 6901 should start entering service next week.
6893; 6900 are almost ready; 6901 is being worked on, I have just taken 6899 to BC for that one to be started today
Thanks tony. I was beginning to think they had a major problem of some sort. Can I assume that all of the PE allocations are/soon will be in service ? may I ask on which route(s) (other than the 9) are they likely to be seen in service please? thanks.
Quote from: windy miller on January 26, 2019, 03:41:12 AM
Thanks tony. I was beginning to think they had a major problem of some sort. Can I assume that all of the PE allocations are/soon will be in service ? may I ask on which route(s) (other than the 9) are they likely to be seen in service please? thanks.
X10, for which some will be branded for.
6893 & 6900 both now at YW ready for service
Quote from: CL on February 05, 2019, 09:46:26 AM
...
2230 - 18
2241 - 18, taken off now
2244 - 18
2237 is on the 18, also. Judging by the amount that I've seen today, is it still a noteworthy allocation or is it a daily occurrence?
I'm not on the 18 often.
Quote from: CL on February 05, 2019, 11:37:06 AM
2237 is on the 18, also. Judging by the amount that I've seen today, is it still a noteworthy allocation or is it a daily occurrence?
I'm not on the 18 often.
Would this mean the 6 is getting more Double Deckers?
Quote from: CL on February 05, 2019, 11:37:06 AM
2237 is on the 18, also. Judging by the amount that I've seen today, is it still a noteworthy allocation or is it a daily occurrence?
I'm not on the 18 often.
The 18 generally seems to produce any type whenever I see it. A few MMC200s, E400s and Scanias
often to be seen, not all on same day though usually! Certainly wouldn't call it noteworthy
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on February 05, 2019, 04:40:00 PM
The 18 generally seems to produce any type whenever I see it. A few MMC200s, E400s and Scanias
often to be seen, not all on same day though usually! Certainly wouldn't call it noteworthy
Isn't the 18, YW's 'anything' route?
Quote from: Jack on February 05, 2019, 04:41:37 PM
Isn't the 18, YW's 'anything' route?
That's what I would call it yes ;)
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on February 05, 2019, 04:42:04 PM
That's what I would call it yes ;)
Thought so, you could include the 6 I guess, but since the frequency changed it doesn't see that many Deckers like it did.
Quote from: Jack on February 05, 2019, 04:43:09 PM
Thought so, you could include the 6 I guess, but since the frequency changed it doesn't see that many Deckers like it did.
The 6 doesn't get anything from what I've seen.
The main allocation is E200 MMC, supplemented by a few Omnilinks and Tridents.
I don't ever see any E400, or E400 MMC on it.
Quote from: 2206 on February 05, 2019, 04:51:07 PM
The 6 doesn't get anything from what I've seen.
The main allocation is E200 MMC, supplemented by a few Omnilinks and Tridents.
I don't ever see any E400, or E400 MMC on it.
Read my comment again and you'll see that I said "it use too". But yes you are right, it's just E200MMC now with the odd Omnilink and that's it. Although on Saturday I was suprised to see four DD's on the 6 - 4547, 4553/6 and 6131. It would be nice to see the 6 get some Deckers during the day, if you compare it to the 4/4A, the 6 gets nothing unlike the 4 and 4A (which some days) have more Deckers than SD's.
Quote from: Jack on February 05, 2019, 05:05:20 PM
Read my comment again and you'll see that I said "it use too". But yes you are right, it's just E200MMC now with the odd Omnilink and that's it. Although on Saturday I was suprised to see four DD's on the 6 - 4547, 4553/6 and 6131. It would be nice to see the 6 get some Deckers during the day, if you compare it to the 4/4A, the 6 gets nothing unlike the 4 and 4A (which some days) have more Deckers than SD's.
I sitll see the odd Trident on the 6 most days.
4/A also doesn't have more double decks on it than single decks, I don't see them all, but i'd thinks its the other way round. Most 4's I see are E200 MMC, I see more E200 MMC than Gemini.
Quote from: 2206 on February 05, 2019, 05:06:28 PM
I sitll see the odd Trident on the 6 most days.
Maybe one or two compared the high number of DD on the 4/4A.
Quote from: 2206 on February 05, 2019, 05:06:28 PM
I sitll see the odd Trident on the 6 most days.
4/A also doesn't have more single deckers on it than double decks, I don't see them all, but i'd thinks its the other way round. Most 4's I see are E200 MMC, I see more E200 MMC than Gemini.
If you READ my comment you'll see I said "some days there's more Gemini's than SD's" (particularly on Saturdays), not everyday.
Saying this the 4 in particular needs Gemini's, especially between Acocks Green Village and Solihull.
Quote from: Jack on February 05, 2019, 05:07:49 PM
Saying this the 4 in particular needs Gemini's, especially between Acocks Green Village and Solihull.
Whys that? They look busy, but they generally seem to cope (with a few passengers standing) from my observations in Solihull? It doesn't look any worse than using Omnilinks on the 55 to be honest?
If they were a significant problem on there, surely NX wouldn't keep using them?
Quote from: Jack on February 05, 2019, 05:07:49 PM
Maybe one or two compared the high number of DD on the 4/4A.
If you READ my comment you'll see I said "some days there's more Gemini's than SD's" (particularly on Saturdays), not everyday.
Saying this the 4 in particular needs Gemini's, especially between Acocks Green Village and Solihull.
There is never more doubles than singles on the 4
Quote from: 2206 on February 05, 2019, 05:20:48 PM
Whys that? They look busy, but they generally seem to cope (with a few passengers standing) from my observations in Solihull? It doesn't look any worse than using Omnilinks on the 55 to be honest?
If they were a significant problem on there, surely NX wouldn't keep using them?
Yeah they clearly cope... some passengers in Solihull often wait another 10 minutes just to get a seat. The E200MMC's are rammed between this section and the Gemini's lower deck seats are usually all taken too.
Shame there is no competition sounds like a good business opportunity
Quote from: 2206 on February 05, 2019, 05:06:28 PM
4/A also doesn't have more double decks on it than single decks, I don't see them all, but i'd thinks its the other way round. Most 4's I see are E200 MMC, I see more E200 MMC than Gemini.
Really? I often see several ;)
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 05, 2019, 06:18:28 PM
Really? I often see several ;)
Yes. I do see more E200 MMC on there than Gemini in Solihull.
Tony has already confimed that there are always more singles than double deckers on the 4.
Quote from: Tony on February 05, 2019, 05:24:20 PM
There is never more doubles than singles on the 4
Quote from: 2206 on February 05, 2019, 06:19:01 PM
Yes. I do see more MMC on there than Gemini.
Tony has already confimed that there are never more singles than double deckers on the 4.
I said there's always more singles than doubles
Today there has been 3 double decks on the 4 all day, 4 in the peak. Saturday it was two double decks,
Those are about the normal figures
Are Platinums on the 35 really noteworthy anymore? Seems to me that they are the second prefered type of bus used on there
100% platinum on 50 today
Quote from: 37351ml on February 10, 2019, 04:25:50 PM
100% platinum on 50 today
A few of the 61s noted still working out of YW - 6134 on 18 and another on 49. Can't be long now before their move to AG
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on February 10, 2019, 04:30:08 PM
A few of the 61s noted still working out of YW - 6134 on 18 and another on 49. Can't be long now before their move to AG
6894 now at YW, electrician now working on 6895 at BC, with 6896 to follow, these will replace the last 3 61xx
Quote from: Tony on February 10, 2019, 05:23:38 PM
6894 now at YW, electrician now working on 6895 at BC, with 6896 to follow, these will replace the last 3 61xx
How come the 689* are the last to enter service, did they have teething problems?
There was an unusual loan working this morning with an AG Gemini on the 49. I think it was 4679.
Quote from: j789 on February 11, 2019, 07:17:49 PM
There was an unusual loan working this morning with an AG Gemini on the 49. I think it was 4679.
Not a loan. It is an AG working
Quote from: Tony on February 11, 2019, 07:36:41 PM
Not a loan. It is an AG working
Does this particular working do a full journey to and/ or from Northfield or is it a E working and then back to AG.
I do find these types of workings quite unusual but also interesting.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on February 11, 2019, 11:54:51 PM
Does this particular working do a full journey to and/ or from Northfield or is it a E working and then back to AG.
I do find these types of workings quite unusual but also interesting.
Maypole to Solihull then back to Maypole is all it does
4732 on the 50, passing through Kings Heath High Street for Birmingham
Quote from: CL on February 16, 2019, 10:56:52 AM
4732 on the 50, passing through Kings Heath High Street for Birmingham
With 6142 hanging on at YW on 18 and 6130 also noted NIS
4579 is on the 35, if of any interest...
4555 has now lost its gold Wolverhampton brand name in favour of the generic grey one. The gold stripe remains. I saw it on the 49, today.
The 6 is due for a slight timing change & it's due to get a lot more deckers if anybody was interested
Quote from: EmmaTheFoxy on March 23, 2019, 05:08:59 PM
The 6 is due for a slight timing change & it's due to get a lot more deckers if anybody was interested
Certainly during peak times the 6 could do with a capacity upgrade. I am so glad I moved to Billesley last year and not Shirley, while I'm waiting for the 2 or 3, I have often observed the single deckers on the 6 arriving in Sparkbrook fully loaded, and there are often large gaps in service. When that happens, sometimes I even struggle to get on the 3 (or 2) because they're full.
I just wonder where these deckers for the 6 are going to come from though, hope they're not planning on putting more single-decks on the 2 and 3!
Quote from: Stu on March 23, 2019, 06:31:59 PM
I just wonder where these deckers for the 6 are going to come from though, hope they're not planning on putting more single-decks on the 2 and 3!
Are more buses required on the 4/4A and 31/58 required from Sunday, or will the PVR remain similar to now?
Could YW get some E400 from WB for the 6 maybe?
There's no plans to change the vehicles on the 6 until the new electric buses arrive
Quote from: Tony on March 23, 2019, 07:27:49 PM
There's no plans to change the vehicles on the 6 until the new electric buses arrive
Can you tell when that might be please?
Quote from: Stu on March 23, 2019, 07:49:17 PM
Can you tell when that might be please?
I think it was said mid 2020 at one point?
Quote from: Tony on March 23, 2019, 07:27:49 PM
There's no plans to change the vehicles on the 6 until the new electric buses arrive
I drive the 6, I'm being told we're getting deckers soon
Why was the 6 made into single in the first place, is it to do with crime ? Just curious why this happens on a main corridor ?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 24, 2019, 01:07:49 PM
Why was the 6 made into single in the first place, is it to do with crime ? Just curious why this happens on a main corridor ?
Its not the only main corridor that has single decks either as well.
55, 4/4A, etc.
How long has the 55 been single decker operated for? It recall seeing a mix of Mercs, Omnilinks, Metrobus and a few Tridents when LH operated it, it used to have some deckers back then? Was it ever mostly Metrobus operated, when did the Mercs take over?
The 55's single deckers can also become very overcrowded at peak times when I see them.
55 I believe was when they increased the frequency shortly before the lea hall closure.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 24, 2019, 01:07:49 PM
Why was the 6 made into single in the first place, is it to do with crime ? Just curious why this happens on a main corridor ?
Main reason was the anti social behaviour, it's a nightmare driving singles along the route during busy times, routinely refusing to pick up due to being max load.
Quote from: EmmaTheFoxy on March 24, 2019, 02:46:18 PM
Main reason was the anti social behaviour, it's a nightmare driving singles along the route during busy times, routinely refusing to pick up due to being max load.
You'd think that the 6 would have been an ideal route for Bendibuses when they were popular in the late 1990s. I know they proved to be more expensive and less reliable than Deckers but the route would have been ideal as it is pretty straight the whole way, even with the bad congestion along the Stratford Road.
Wow sounds worse than the 94 and it still doesn't get new buses in over 12 years
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 24, 2019, 03:34:29 PM
Wow sounds worse than the 94 and it still doesn't get new buses in over 12 years
Jesus Christ, at least the 94 is still going...
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 24, 2019, 03:51:17 PM
Jesus Christ, at least the 94 is still going...
Yes because people use it and it deserves investment in proportion to others areas. I'm back in Brum now permanently now can you tell lol
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 24, 2019, 03:58:07 PM
Yes because people use it and it deserves investment in proportion to others areas. I'm back in Brum now permanently now can you tell lol
You can say that for many other services that have been withdrawn or cut back, cutting people off in the process. Why does it deserve investment any more than say the 82/87, 45/47 etc? Both the ☓12 and ☓70 have had investment and they both go to Chelmsley Wood so there's no bias.
Just be thankful you have a regular bus service still in-tact.
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 24, 2019, 04:04:37 PM
You can say that for many other services that have been withdrawn or cut back, cutting people off in the process. Why does it deserve investment any more than say the 82/87, 45/47 etc? Both the ☓12 and ☓70 have had investment and they both go to Chelmsley Wood so there's no bias.
Just be thankful you have a regular bus service still in-tact.
X70 is mostly older E400. Just the 11, X1, X2 and X12 that serve the East that have had new investment in the East really.
The main high frequency routes into Chelmsley all have a fleet of older vehicles - 14, 55, 94, 97, 72, but who knows maybe one will get some from this batch of new buses/or some newer cascades from this round of changes?
Compared to Bearwood where most routes seems to have new vehicles (82, X8, X10, 9, 126 and 11) I think there's a bit of the contrast.
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 24, 2019, 04:04:37 PM
You can say that for many other services that have been withdrawn or cut back, cutting people off in the process. Why does it deserve investment any more than say the 82/87, 45/47 etc? Both the ☓12 and ☓70 have had investment and they both go to Chelmsley Wood so there's no bias.
Just be thankful you have a regular bus service still in-tact.
The last time the 94 had new vehicles bought for it specifically was 2003/4 the other routes you refer too have had two lots of new bus allocations since, I am right on this and to me it is not fair, I'll get bored of this when the management sort it out.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 24, 2019, 04:25:09 PM
The last time the 94 had new vehicles bought for it specifically was 2003/4 the other routes you refer too have had two lots of new bus allocations since, I am right on this and to me it is not fair, I'll get bored of this when the management sort it out.
My point is there are other areas worse off. No it isn't fair, but it could be worse as I've said. Some have never had new buses bought for it specifically....
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 24, 2019, 01:07:49 PM
Why was the 6 made into single in the first place, is it to do with crime ? Just curious why this happens on a main corridor ?
I believe the 6 was converted to single-deck operation due to anti-social behaviour concerns, but the frequency was increased (to something like every 6 to 8 minutes) in order to offset the loss of capacity.
As I have already noted, as have others, during peak times when reliability goes out the window and gaps in service appear, the single-decks do get very crowded.
What probably hasn't helped is now the 2 and 3 both turn off down Stoney Lane, and the 5 turning off down Court Road, plus the loss of the 31, the 6 is the only route that continues along the Stratford Road to Sparkhill and Springfield.
I think the main problem is that passengers travelling from city centre to Sparkbrook are generally just 'piling on' to the first bus that comes along. If that happens to be a 4/4A or 6, then yes, overcrowded single-deck. But equally, the double-decks on the 2, 3 and 5 can also arrive in Sparkbrook very full.
I don't know what the solution is to be honest, perhaps some additional double-decks used on the 6 at peak-times, like AG do with the 4 and 4A. I guess in a perfect world, with no traffic congestion and all services running to schedule, everything would be fine, using single-decks on the higher frequency routes, and doubles on the less-frequent services.
When I used to regularly catch the 37, it wasn't so much of a problem if a full bus went straight past, knowing there'd be another one in a few minutes. But if a 3 sailed past full, I'd be pretty peeved having to wait another twenty minutes for the next one.
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 24, 2019, 04:38:34 PM
My point is there are other areas worse off. No it isn't fair, but it could be worse as I've said. Some have never had new buses bought for it specifically....
Like I keep saying I know not every where can get new buses but when the same corridors keep getting the attention, it kinda takes the Micheal. A bit like the whole London vs the rest of the country which plans are in place to address.
Speaking of the 5, I didn't realise it was only every 20 mins. Thought it was more frequent than that.
Quote from: j789 on March 24, 2019, 03:27:57 PM
You'd think that the 6 would have been an ideal route for Bendibuses when they were popular in the late 1990s. I know they proved to be more expensive and less reliable than Deckers but the route would have been ideal as it is pretty straight the whole way, even with the bad congestion along the Stratford Road.
I wouldn't like to have to drive one of them through sparkbrook/hill. Driving what we have currently gets tricky with all the stupid people on the road as it is.
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 24, 2019, 06:06:43 PM
Speaking of the 5, I didn't realise it was only every 20 mins. Thought it was more frequent than that.
It's been every 20 mins for years...
Quote from: Jack on March 24, 2019, 06:42:31 PM
It's been every 20 mins for years...
I'm not saying it hasn't, just surprised me a little is all.
Was a bit annoyed this morning: missed the 3 timetabled to arrive at the Hullbrook Road stop on Trittiford Road this morning at 8:23am as it came a few minutes early. Then walked up to Yardley Wood Road to get the following 2, scheduled for 8:37am, only for that to be a no-show. The following 3 was then a few minutes late and was an OmniLink ::)
I guess that's how karma works, serves me right for posting my April Fool's 'hoax' story this morning:
http://westmidlandsbususers.co.uk/2019/04/service-48-to-be-extended-to-worcester/
:D
6893 is now ticket branded. On the 35E now in the City Centre.
What's happening with 2249? Judging by the photo on main site it's getting a repaint?
Ticket branded 6893 is making an appearance on the 2/3 today. Just arrived into City, and will leave on a 2 for the Maypole.
6894 also branded promoting Contactless payment; on the 18
Quote from: Jack on April 09, 2019, 10:41:23 PM
What's happening with 2249? Judging by the photo on main site it's getting a repaint?
Yes, 2249 is the first bus delivered in Crimson to get a full repaint
Transfer to Dundee or Coventry?
Quote from: Wolves256 on April 10, 2019, 01:29:47 PM
Transfer to Dundee or Coventry?
Are they comming of the 6 then?
Quote from: TH on April 08, 2019, 09:56:44 PM
I've got my first visit of the year to Dundee next week, watch out for arrivals and departures
Could it be 2230 - 2250 going up to Dundee? Or is this something else?
Quote from: 2206 on April 10, 2019, 02:49:24 PM
Are they comming of the 6 then? Could it be 2230 - 2250 going up to Dundee? Or is this something else?
@Tony maybe 2249 is going to be a heritage livery for yardley Wood?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on April 10, 2019, 09:53:10 PM
@Tony maybe 2249 is going to be a heritage livery for yardley Wood?
I thought that no Crimson vehicles would go (back) into the paintshop for a heritage/special livery.
It was a stab in the dark when I thought about it last night, but I've got my money on it heading elsewhere (maybe Dundee?) - seemed a little strange to me to have the logos removed.. From the front; that'd make sense, but from above the driver's window leads me to believe what I think.
Quote from: CL on April 10, 2019, 10:25:23 PM
I thought that no Crimson vehicles would go (back) into the paintshop for a heritage/special livery.
It was a stab in the dark when I thought about it last night, but I've got my money on it heading elsewhere (maybe Dundee?) - seemed a little strange to me to have the logos removed.. From the front; that'd make sense, but from above the driver's window leads me to believe what I think.
If its the case that they are coming of the 6, I wander what will replace them on there? Could it be being converted to double decker operation, it would benefit from some double deckers at peak times?
Or maybe as YW are getting two additional platinums next week, two or three single decks are off to Dundee in exchange for some Streetlites for Pensnett or elsewhere - there is a shortage of small buses now with the extra work.
The 6 should never have been converted to saloons, and it's been exacerbated by the withdrawal of the 2, 5 and 31 from Sparkhill.
The electric buses won't help with the overcrowding, and the route has always suffered from bunching even in the Metrobus days. The 5 should be rerouted at Sarehole Mill to operate via the 11 route up to School Road, that would help no end.
Quote from: John Stait on April 11, 2019, 09:41:30 AM
The 6 should never have been converted to saloons, and it's been exacerbated by the withdrawal of the 2, 5 and 31 from Sparkhill.
The electric buses won't help with the overcrowding, and the route has always suffered from bunching even in the Metrobus days. The 5 should be rerouted at Sarehole Mill to operate via the 11 route up to School Road, that would help no end.
I did say this. It was putting a lot of burden on the 6 with the withdrawal of the 31 and rerouting of the 5.
Does make me wonder what will be leaving Wolverhampton when the Enviros arrive... unless it's already been announced and I've missed it ;D
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 13, 2019, 12:55:00 PM
I did say this. It was putting a lot of burden on the 6 with the withdrawal of the 31 and rerouting of the 5.
Does make me wonder what will be leaving Wolverhampton when the Enviros arrive... unless it's already been announced and I've missed it ;D
43XX Tridents?
Quote from: 2206 on April 09, 2019, 01:24:10 PM
6893 is now ticket branded. On the 35E now in the City Centre.
6912/13/14 all done now too
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/532623/
Does anyone know what this service is for?
A new registration for a Hawkesley to Kings Heath service starting from 12th May?
Service number unusually shows as H, is it some sort of special service?
Hawksley Hopper? It's listed on the diversions for Velo so I could imagine that its most likely it
Quote from: 2206 on April 27, 2019, 01:49:57 PM
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/532623/
Does anyone know what this service is for?
A new registration for a Hawkesley to Kings Heath service starting from 12th May?
Service number unusually shows as H, is it some sort of special service?
One day only service to cover parts missed of routes in that area due to the Velo diversions
Quote from: 2206 on April 27, 2019, 01:49:57 PM
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/532623/
Does anyone know what this service is for?
A new registration for a Hawkesley to Kings Heath service starting from 12th May?
Service number unusually shows as H, is it some sort of special service?
See: https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/temporary-diversions/velo-birmingham-diversions-
H - "Hawksley Hopper"
C - "Chelmsley Wood Hopper"
Have some of Yardley Wood's Crimson Tridents got new offside advert frames as I drove past one today on the 49 and I am sure the lower section of the frame looked wider than usual - covering up the extra space/small window frame?
Quote from: j789 on April 29, 2019, 07:35:26 PM
Have some of Yardley Wood's Crimson Tridents got new offside advert frames as I drove past one today on the 49 and I am sure the lower section of the frame looked wider than usual - covering up the extra space/small window frame?
Yes, 10 YW and 10 BC have had them for about a year. Other companies that have them cover the first window to fit them which is a personal hate, so I managed to find 20 buses where they fitted purely on the metalwork
Quote from: Tony on April 29, 2019, 07:38:50 PM
Yes, 10 YW and 10 BC have had them for about a year. Other companies that have them cover the first window to fit them which is a personal hate, so I managed to find 20 buses where they fitted purely on the metalwork
Argh glad I wasn't seeing things then! Is there a reason to have wider advert frames, eg specific requests from advertisers or was it just a trial?
Quote from: j789 on April 29, 2019, 08:06:54 PM
Argh glad I wasn't seeing things then! Is there a reason to have wider advert frames, eg specific requests from advertisers or was it just a trial?
It's a nationwide thing where advertisers pay more and the advertising company pay the bus companies more
How come the 18 never got any route branding?
Quote from: mesub on May 04, 2019, 02:15:48 PM
How come the 18 never got any route branding?
what do you mean
Quote from: SK68MEV on May 04, 2019, 04:10:56 PM
what do you mean
The 18 from Yardley Wood garage I suspect, as he asked about the 18 in the Yardley Wood thread!
Quote from: Tony on May 04, 2019, 04:25:24 PM
The 18 from Yardley Wood garage I suspect, as he asked about the 18 in the Yardley Wood thread!
Yep. Not the (PN?) one
Quote from: mesub on May 04, 2019, 02:15:48 PM
How come the 18 never got any route branding?
You could ask the same question of any number of other routes.
Not every route needs to be branded, it would cause nightmares for route allocators if every single bus at every garage was branded for specific routes.
Quote from: Stu on May 04, 2019, 06:48:16 PM
You could ask the same question of any number of other routes.
Not every route needs to be branded, it would cause nightmares for route allocators if every single bus at every garage was branded for specific routes.
Fair enough, thank you.
What are 6968 and 6969's names
4730 is now at Walsall, presumably for paint, after being repaired following an RTC last month.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/40851814003_1cc74929e4_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25eWe3K)NXWM 4730 (https://flic.kr/p/25eWe3K) by Stour Valley (https://www.flickr.com/photos/stourvalley/), on Flickr
6943 and 4577 are running the special H circular service today from Hawkesley - Kings Heath
RRR bus 4364 currently on the way to help out at YW
Another bus fire looks like it was arson I think it was 4554
Quote from: BH2004 on May 24, 2019, 07:18:43 AM
Another bus fire looks like it was arson I think it was 4554
Yes it was that it was on the 49 aswell
I noticed that 6968 (YW) appeared to have no drivers side number when in service @ 16.30pm last wednesday?
4728 has received a full body advertisement; same as 4899 & others
Quote from: CL on June 06, 2019, 03:46:37 PM
4728 has received a full body advertisement; same as 4899 & others
6896/8 have the ad don't think that one has the ad
I did see at least two of the 47** buses with full advertising on the sides, while in Kings Heath on Saturday.
Quote from: darthdc on June 18, 2019, 09:17:05 AM
I did see at least two of the 47** buses with full advertising on the sides, while in Kings Heath on Saturday.
4728 4729 4732 are advert ones at yw
Has anybody noticed that 4544 sounds like an old scania from the early 90's? Was on the 49 and passed me on vardon way just before 3 this afternoon
Just got a pic of 4730 - now in crimson livery.
6114 on the 49, is this a loan?
Quote from: CL on July 03, 2019, 10:58:17 AM
6114 on the 49, is this a loan?
What time did you see it and where was it heading? Thanks
It was at Shirley Station at 12.10 on its way to Solihull.
Quote from: settlerman on July 03, 2019, 03:26:54 PM
It was at Shirley Station at 12.10 on its way to Solihull.
Thanks, someone else let me know anyway and I got a photo of it :)
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 03, 2019, 03:40:06 PM
Thanks, someone else let me know anyway and I got a photo of it :)
Not sure if it's gospel but I've just been told there's another Crimson MMC400 on loan to YW and also 4913 from BC.
Quote from: filbus1 on July 03, 2019, 04:38:35 PM
Not sure if it's gospel but I've just been told there's another Crimson MMC400 on loan to YW and also 4913 from BC.
Thanks mate, will look out for them tomorrow if they're out
6147 is the other on the 60 today
Quote from: 4369Beast on July 03, 2019, 06:14:07 PM
6147 is the other on the 60 today
Saw it on the #50 today - its old stomping ground.
Freshly repainted 4730 is on the 49 today. Did the 1350 off JLR
6896 has got '#FestivalOfAudacity' in place of the via points on its blinds
6893 on 76, 6968 on 49 today with 6901 on 18 as already reported
Quote from: mesub on July 11, 2019, 03:29:37 PM
6913 - 18
@mesub I don't see how you find Platinums noteworthy on the 18. YW appear to have a fair few spares that can reguarly wander from the 50 onto any of their double decker routes from observations. Pretty much every time I'm in Northfield or Cotteridge I see at least one Platinum on there. Branded ones are worth mentioning obviously but regular generics belong in this thread as far as I'm concerned. Apologies for having to say this but it's hardly a rare occurrence
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 11, 2019, 05:00:34 PM
@mesub I don't see how you find Platinums noteworthy on the 18. YW appear to have a fair few spares that can reguarly wander from the 50 onto any of their double decker routes from observations. Pretty much every time I'm in Northfield or Cotteridge I see at least one Platinum on there. Branded ones are worth mentioning obviously but regular generics belong in this thread as far as I'm concerned. Apologies for having to say this but it's hardly a rare occurrence
YW must be the only garage/one of the only garages to have spare platinums available
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 11, 2019, 06:22:47 PM
YW must be the only garage/one of the only garages to have spare platinums available
All garages have the same percentage of spares
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 11, 2019, 05:00:34 PM
@mesub I don't see how you find Platinums noteworthy on the 18. YW appear to have a fair few spares that can reguarly wander from the 50 onto any of their double decker routes from observations. Pretty much every time I'm in Northfield or Cotteridge I see at least one Platinum on there. Branded ones are worth mentioning obviously but regular generics belong in this thread as far as I'm concerned. Apologies for having to say this but it's hardly a rare occurrence
They are noteworthy as they are not the allocated type.
Maybe someone could correct me if I'm wrong, but whenever I see the 18 its usually Tridents on there, though admittedly I don't get the 18 myself very often, so I would presume the usual allocation is Tridents.
But obviously if there are Tridents unavailable due to being off the road for maintenance, then of course if there's a 'spare' Platinum in the garage that would be used instead.
I've seen YW Platinums on the 2, 3, 6 and 35 on odd occasions, but I'd still consider them noteworthy, as they're 'not meant to be' on those routes.
That is my opinion, just as you have your own. If I were to follow your logic, then really there is no such thing as a 'noteworthy' working, and all this spotting is just a waste of peoples' time.
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 11, 2019, 06:22:47 PM
YW must be the only garage/one of the only garages to have spare platinums available
WN has spares that frequent the 15/16/17
Quote from: Tony on July 11, 2019, 06:25:52 PM
All garages have the same percentage of spares
Then why are there so many platinum routes that regularly see other bus types?
6912 & 6943 - both on the 6
6914's joined the party; just arrived into Solihull Town
Certain 50 boards are peak hours only so return to Garage between peaks, if engineering don't need them they could be utilised to cover late running on the 18 or be used as change buses.
4803 on the 35, and 4806 on the 76 today.
Was waiting this evening for the 3 journey to Yardley Wood timetabled to arrive at Auckland Road (Stratford Road) stop at 18:00. I was tracking it on the app, but it was 4589 that arrived, with '2 Maypole' on the displays.
Out of curiosity, I checked on the app again while we were on Stoney Lane, and the app was showing the '3' bus at the same stop as my location.
As I was getting off at the Trittiford Road stop on Yardley Wood Road, I took a glance at the ticket display screen, and it did show the service and destination as '3 Yardley Wood'. But the driver did continue down Yardley Wood Road along the 2's route.
One thing I do like about Paul Harrington's YourStop app, is that as well as showing 'predicted' bus arrival times, it also shows the 'scheduled' time, so you can have an idea of how late (or indeed early) that journey is running. When I got on the 2 in Sparkbrook, the '3' journey (that was supposed to have turned up) looked to be on time.
Very bizarre! Either there was some crafty adjusting from AVL going on, or the driver took it upon themselves to run as a 2 rather than a 3!
Fortunately for me, while the 3 drops me round the corner from my house, its only a short walk down Trittiford Road if I get the 2 instead, so I'll just get on whatever turns up first.
I saw a crimson Trident being towed down the M5 South this evening, I think the fleet number was 4576 but I was on the opposite carriageway so can't be sure. Was it going somewhere to be upgraded to Euro 6?
Quote from: j789 on July 20, 2019, 11:59:57 PM
I saw a crimson Trident being towed down the M5 South this evening, I think the fleet number was 4576 but I was on the opposite carriageway so can't be sure. Was it going somewhere to be upgraded to Euro 6?
It's already upgraded Euro 6.
Quote from: Winston on July 21, 2019, 12:03:01 AM
It's already upgraded Euro 6.
I saw it being towed as it went under Junction 4 southbound so it didn't seem to be a breakdown on the way back to the garage as it would have exited and gone up the a38 to longbridge. As I say, the fleet number may not be correct as it was on the opposite carriageway but was definitely a NXWM crimson trident.
Quote from: j789 on July 21, 2019, 12:10:41 AM
I saw it being towed as it went under Junction 4 southbound so it didn't seem to be a breakdown on the way back to the garage as it would have exited and gone up the a38 to longbridge. As I say, the fleet number may not be correct as it was on the opposite carriageway but was definitely a NXWM crimson trident.
Doesn't matter on fleet number, if it's a Crimson Trident, it's already upgraded to Euro 6.
The Euro 6 upgrades are done at Grayson's which are now located at Tyseley in Birmingham.
I wonder where it was off too then. Didn't look damaged either. Intriguing, maybe Tony knows?
Quote from: j789 on July 21, 2019, 12:26:00 PM
I wonder where it was off too then. Didn't look damaged either. Intriguing, maybe Tony knows?
Cummins appear to have an engine place at Daventry, right sort of direction I.e. M5 then M42/M40 maybe?
Quote from: Winston on July 21, 2019, 12:46:56 PM
Cummins appear to have an engine place at Daventry, right sort of direction I.e. M5 then M42/M40 maybe?
It was just getting a tow back to YW from Longbridge by the look of it
Quote from: Tony on July 21, 2019, 12:49:02 PM
It was just getting a tow back to YW from Longbridge by the look of it
That clears that up then.
Quote from: CL on July 09, 2019, 01:40:28 PM
6896 has got '#FestivalOfAudacity' in place of the via points on its blinds
While in Kings Heath earlier this afternoon, I noticed several buses on the 50 with this on the display, haven't seen it on any other routes.
Looked it up when I got home, was some kind of 'activist art' festival, finished yesterday:
https://www.beatfreeks.com/whatson/festival-of-audacity-2019
7519 'Driver training' on Stratford Rd Shirley at 11.20
7518 out too, probably driver training by YW garage
7519 on 6.14.10 moor street
Just wondered, does the 49 justify double decker?
If not, can't the single decker off the 6 go onto the 49 instead?
Quote from: B.C Driver on August 24, 2019, 12:56:32 AM
Just wondered, does the 49 justify double decker?
If not, can't the single decker off the 6 go onto the 49 instead?
From observation, it does, especially in the peaks
Quote from: B.C Driver on August 24, 2019, 12:56:32 AM
Just wondered, does the 49 justify double decker?
If not, can't the single decker off the 6 go onto the 49 instead?
iirc MMC200s are banned from the 49 anyway as they can't get around a few corners due to their poor turning circle. Cotteridge Island being one but there may be others. Needless to say they did escape onto their a few times when YW first got them from AG
Yes the 49 needs deckers, particularly in peaks. Busy route. Only suitable route for the MMCs May be the 2/3. But even then they'd struggle at times. They're just a little too long!
Quote from: John Stait on August 24, 2019, 09:09:06 PM
Yes the 49 needs deckers, particularly in peaks. Busy route. Only suitable route for the MMCs May be the 2/3. But even then they'd struggle at times. They're just a little too long!
The E200s do occasionally appear on the 2 and 3, the only part of the route I've seen any struggle with the 'length' is the left turn from Highgate Road onto Stoney Lane.
But again, the 2 and 3 do both need double decks especially during peak times - I recall that they did try and use single decks for a period of time a few years ago and it didn't really work capacity wise, too many complaints about overcrowding.
I think its more likely that a number of the E200s will be moved on elsewhere, but where to I don't have any idea.
Quote from: Stu on August 25, 2019, 10:03:38 AM
The E200s do occasionally appear on the 2 and 3, the only part of the route I've seen any struggle with the 'length' is the left turn from Highgate Road onto Stoney Lane.
But again, the 2 and 3 do both need double decks especially during peak times - I recall that they did try and use single decks for a period of time a few years ago and it didn't really work capacity wise, too many complaints about overcrowding.
I think its more likely that a number of the E200s will be moved on elsewhere, but where to I don't have any idea.
The E200MMC just don't turn as much as a proper heavy weight single decker. I remember Olton Station in an MMC, taking that left towards Solihull coming out of Olton. One wrong move and you were hitting into a keep left bollard!
Taking the left turn from Warwick Road towards Olton/Solihull was impossible without turning early and mounting the rear wheels onto the kerb. Alternatively, straddle both lanes on Warwick Road, or go into the oncoming lane when turning. The Geminis/Scania/Eclipse were a doddle to do properly despite many drivers just being lazy and mounting the kerb anyway.
A simple way of putting it is, one more turn on the steering wheel is what these NXWM MMCs are missing. The shorter 10.8m versions are much better, but even they're still not the best. This is where Streetlite (DF) are better than E200MMC, although on the shorter wheelbases it's not as bad.
A B7RLE/Scania Omnilink are far more manoeuvrable than an E200MMC.
Ok, can anyone give me a full list of the routes operated by YW. I know routes 2, 3, 6, 18, 27, 35, 49, 50, and 76 are among them, but are there any others?
The 801 and the 802. I think 1 journey on the 72 is operated by Yardley Wood.
Never heard of the 801/802. I though the 72 was solely AG. Thanks anyway.
My dad and brother have just returned from town, and are claiming that 4730 has been repainted in old BCT Navy and cream. It has only been a few months since it got the crimson paint scheme.
Quote from: darthdc on August 27, 2019, 05:27:52 PM
Never heard of the 801/802. I though the 72 was solely AG. Thanks anyway.
My dad and brother have just returned from town, and are claiming that 4730 has been repainted in old BCT Navy and cream. It has only been a few months since it got the crimson paint scheme.
YW did one round trip from Solihull to Chelmsley and back.
16:00 from Solihull.
801/802 is Yardley Wood/Acocks Green staff bus.
They also do the 49S school/college service which extends from Solihull to Widney Manor.
Quote from: darthdc on August 27, 2019, 05:27:52 PM
Never heard of the 801/802. I though the 72 was solely AG. Thanks anyway.
My dad and brother have just returned from town, and are claiming that 4730 has been repainted in old BCT Navy and cream. It has only been a few months since it got the crimson paint scheme.
Probs seen 4780 omnideck on the 94
7225 (MOF225) was at Pensnett yesterday as part of a garage visit by a local boy and his family.
Quote from: darthdc on August 27, 2019, 04:14:48 PM
Ok, can anyone give me a full list of the routes operated by YW. I know routes 2, 3, 6, 18, 27, 35, 49, 50, and 76 are among them, but are there any others?
They do the 863 Light Hall School but I read they'd lost the Blossomfield School contracts from September. Yes they work one 72 pm journey.
Quote from: darthdc on August 27, 2019, 04:14:48 PM
Ok, can anyone give me a full list of the routes operated by YW. I know routes 2, 3, 6, 18, 27, 35, 49, 50, and 76 are among them, but are there any others?
Off the top of my head, you've missed out the 84
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on August 28, 2019, 10:37:41 PM
Off the top of my head, you've missed out the 84
The 84 was withdrawn and replaced by the WB 48 last year
@GeminiFan1991 .
Quote from: 2206 on August 28, 2019, 10:40:00 PM
The 84 was withdrawn and replaced by the WB 48 last year @GeminiFan1991 .
Oh dear,
I need to start spending more time on this forum. Duly noted,
So far, of the YW 75xx's, I've only seen 18. 19 and 23. The latter is yet to be given a branding livery (expecting it to be given red trim like the others)
Quote from: darthdc on September 02, 2019, 03:45:46 PM
So far, of the YW 75xx's, I've only seen 18. 19 and 23. The latter is yet to be given a branding livery (expecting it to be given red trim like the others)
Just speculating here, but as I guess these Platinums are a short-term 'stop-gap' for the 6 until the electric double decks arrive (sometime next year?) its possible they may not get fully branded in anticipation of them getting transferred elsewhere. I'd also guess that those that have received the red generic branding are intended to stay permanently to 'top-up' YW's allocation.
Quote from: Stu on September 02, 2019, 06:19:50 PM
Just speculating here, but as I guess these Platinums are a short-term 'stop-gap' for the 6 until the electric double decks arrive (sometime next year?) its possible they may not get fully branded in anticipation of them getting transferred elsewhere. I'd also guess that those that have received the red generic branding are intended to stay permanently to 'top-up' YW's allocation.
Well, I've seen them on the 50 so far - no other routes as yet. All other red branded 50s are ones that have been around since the start of the year.
Quote from: darthdc on September 02, 2019, 07:15:40 PM
Well, I've seen them on the 50 so far - no other routes as yet. All other red branded 50s are ones that have been around since the start of the year.
The 50 branding is blue. The red 'generic' branding advertises Platinum features or tickets/app and is not route specific.
Quote from: darthdc on September 02, 2019, 07:15:40 PM
Well, I've seen them on the 50 so far - no other routes as yet. All other red branded 50s are ones that have been around since the start of the year.
They've been on the 6.
6943, 7518/20-22/26/29 all on the 6 today. Also saw 7531 in Shirley, but not sure whether or not it was in service.
Quote from: Nathan on September 03, 2019, 12:09:06 PM
6750 on WA29
2240 on YW2
@Nathan admittedly I haven't seen an E200 on the 2/3 for a few weeks now, but I noticed three or four of them on both routes today (hope this isn't going to become a regular occurrence!)
(I do have them down as 'also commonly used' but to be honest when they do appear I tend to see them on the 3 more than the 2)
Quote from: Stu on September 03, 2019, 06:21:18 PM
@Nathan admittedly I haven't seen an E200 on the 2/3 for a few weeks now, but I noticed three or four of them on both routes today (hope this isn't going to become a regular occurrence!)
(I do have them down as 'also commonly used' but to be honest when they do appear I tend to see them on the 3 more than the 2)
2/3 going single deck
Quote from: Tony on September 03, 2019, 07:32:49 PM
2/3 going single deck
Increased frequency in peaks or wishful thinking ?
Quote from: Tony on September 03, 2019, 07:32:49 PM
2/3 going single deck
Probably not what I wanted to hear, but if that's the decision that's been made I guess I have to accept it.
When single decks have appeared in the morning while I'm on my way to work, they've not been a major problem admittedly.
But the concern has always been in the evenings when trying to get home. As long as the 6 stays reliable with double-decks, hopefully passengers bound for Sparkbrook will use that, rather than trying to cram onto the single-decks on the 2 and 3, which means they would end up passing me by, leaving me with a long wait for the next one.
I seem to recall that they tried using single-decks before on the 2 and 3 (and old 3A) when they had the ex-gas Alexander B10Ls at YW, and that didn't last long due to complaints about overcrowding. Maybe having the double-decks on the 6 will make a difference this time, we'll have to see...
Maybe
@Stu 2/3 going single deck until the electrics arrive moving those platinums onto the 2/3
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on September 03, 2019, 08:23:10 PM
Maybe @Stu 2/3 going single deck until the electrics arrive moving those platinums onto the 2/3
The Platinums on the 6 will move to another garage when the electrics arrive.
Quote from: filbus1 on September 04, 2019, 08:27:43 AM
The Platinums on the 6 will move to another garage when the electrics arrive.
I see, how many E200MMCs are YW losing?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on September 04, 2019, 11:29:11 AM
I see, how many E200MMCs are YW losing?
I was told 3 to AG and a few to WB but don't take that as gospel.
WB are getting 2234-2239
Quote from: WB Driver on September 04, 2019, 02:51:16 PM
WB are getting 2234-2239
I assume that may then mean AG may get an extra 4 (2230-33)
Quote from: WB Driver on September 04, 2019, 02:51:16 PM
WB are getting 2234-2239
Are they for a specific route or just general usage?
Are there plans for 2240 to move anywhere? (its my last one and never on the 6 when I am out after it!)
Quote from: filbus1 on September 04, 2019, 08:27:43 AM
The Platinums on the 6 will move to another garage when the electrics arrive.
I figured that would be the case, hence why I believe they will mostly remain unbranded.
Quote from: WB Driver on September 04, 2019, 02:51:16 PM
WB are getting 2234-2239
Quote from: Winston on September 04, 2019, 03:11:31 PM
I assume that may then mean AG may get an extra 4 (2230-33)
I see elsewhere here that a couple of OmniLinks are on their way out also.
I guess that as the PVR of the 2 and 3 is much lower than the 6, even switching those two routes to single-deck operation leaves a surplus of single-deck vehicles at YW.
I wonder what else will be leaving YW then?
Quote from: MARKG on September 04, 2019, 07:15:20 PM
Are there plans for 2240 to move anywhere? (its my last one and never on the 6 when I am out after it!)
It's been on the 2 yesterday and today, so more likely to find it there or on the 3 now.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 04, 2019, 04:49:27 PM
Are they for a specific route or just general usage?
The 40 is due to receive these, indeed 2234 has been used so far on the route.
I did notice a few of the 22xx buses in Kings Heath today, operating on the 27 and 35 routes.
Quote from: Stu on September 04, 2019, 07:26:21 PM
It's been on the 2 yesterday and today, so more likely to find it there or on the 3 now.
Quote from: darthdc on September 05, 2019, 04:45:18 PM
I did notice a few of the 22xx buses in Kings Heath today, operating on the 27 and 35 routes.
Yeah, the 2 and 3 seemed to be back to double-decks again today, wondered where the E200s went to! ;D
7522/26/34 all on 50, 7519/25/33 on35
Is 4535 on loan at YW? I swear I've just seen her pass my house in Brook Lane. Unless there is another lime green bus with yellow trim about, it could only be her. I did see her at YW back in November for the anniversary open day.
Quote from: darthdc on September 08, 2019, 10:23:07 AM
Is 4535 on loan at YW? I swear I've just seen her pass my house in Brook Lane. Unless there is another lime green bus with yellow trim about, it could only be her. I did see her at YW back in November for the anniversary open day.
Heading to the Bus Bash.
So did anyone from the forum actually go yesterday, apart from Tony obviously?
As I mentioned elsewhere, I couldn't go due to illness mainly, but surprised there's not been much comment on here.
Looking at the photos on the Historic Vehicle FB page, there's a few vehicles there, I wouldn't mind seeing at Aston Manor at some point, the Scania, the East Lancs bodied Fleetline for starters.
There were mentions of complaints on the page I noticed.
Were they just of distance to travel, or other reasons?
I did go, but it was close to 4pm. I didn't even know about it, and was only aware after a number of buses passed my house. Only found it after noticing them at the rugby club. Got a few pics, though I've seen 4651 a few times in service. Saw 4535 and 2102 at the YW birthday bash in November.
Does anyone know what the metal thing on the top of the bus is for? I'm talking about the ones on the ex-Wolves Tridents.
Quote from: Busboy105 on September 12, 2019, 06:48:33 AM
Does anyone know what the metal thing on the top of the bus is for? I'm talking about the ones on the ex-Wolves Tridents.
It's for trees so don't smash a window when goes past overhanging branches
Quote from: Busboy105 on September 12, 2019, 06:48:33 AM
Does anyone know what the metal thing on the top of the bus is for? I'm talking about the ones on the ex-Wolves Tridents.
You mean the metal pole at the front left of the upper deck?
Quote from: Solo1 on September 12, 2019, 07:37:49 AM
It's for trees so don't smash a window when goes past overhanging branches
The technical term is "tree deflector" ;)
Cool name... but how come it's not on all Tridents? I mean all of the Enviro 400s and the Gemini's have it.
Quote from: Busboy105 on September 12, 2019, 06:33:43 PM
Cool name... but how come it's not on all Tridents? I mean all of the Enviro 400s and the Gemini's have it.
As they were introduced from the 53 reg tridents & Gemini's too
@Busboy105
Quote from: Squiz1971 on September 12, 2019, 08:03:38 PM
As they were introduced from the 53 reg tridents & Gemini's too @Busboy105
I also seem to remember a few lea hall tridents having these fitted before the garage closed and all of lea halls tridents were 03 plates
Quote from: Tony on September 03, 2019, 07:32:49 PM
2/3 going single deck
Is this still happening
@Tony ? I only ask as while there are now more Platinum E400s being used on the 6, the 2 and 3 have for the most part been majority double-deck this week.
I brought this up on a local group on Facebook, and the feedback so far suggests that most people don't seem to think it would be an issue using singles, and some people would welcome cleaner less-polluting vehicles, though there have been a couple of concerns with capacity issues at the city-end of the route(s).
Quote from: Stu on September 13, 2019, 07:20:21 PM
Is this still happening @Tony ? I only ask as while there are now more Platinum E400s being used on the 6, the 2 and 3 have for the most part been majority double-deck this week.
I brought this up on a local group on Facebook, and the feedback so far suggests that most people don't seem to think it would be an issue using singles, and some people would welcome cleaner less-polluting vehicles, though there have been a couple of concerns with capacity issues at the city-end of the route(s).
The last few days, I have seen a lot of single deck e200s on the 18 rather than the usual double deckers so perhaps the 18 may be going single decked now.
Quote from: j789 on September 13, 2019, 07:50:45 PM
The last few days, I have seen a lot of single deck e200s on the 18 rather than the usual double deckers so perhaps the 18 may be going single decked now.
There has been the odd trident but mostly e200 MMCs
7536 out on 50 but the driver can smell burning. Service delivery manager giving it the once over at moor street.
I presume 7536 had suffered problems in Moor Street today. Was parked at the #50 bus stop, with hazards on. Displays on it were switched off.
Evening, im not sure if many of you will know but an ex yw driver who moved down south to take up freelance coaching was involved in a RTC on Saturday (14/09/19). Dave Baker was out riding his bike when a 4x4/jeep came round the corner on the wrong side of the road and hit him and he died instantly in Sussex. Maybe in his memory YW could have one of the new platinum's named after him. Although I think the next new batch are due in the new year for the 6.
Saw 7536 in Shirley today, operating on #6. Clearly solved the problem from Saturday.
7525 is on the 18
While waiting for the 3 this evening, two Platinums on the 6 passed by within a few minutes of each other, both looked very full, the first one didn't stop and went straight past, although another waiting passenger at the stop flagged them down, the next one let off a few passengers before the stop, but wasn't picking anyone else up.
The 4 and 4A also looked full, lucky for me the 3 wasn't too full when it arrived.
If there'd been a gap in service, I wouldn't be surprised, as the traffic lately has just been ridiculous, congestion everywhere.
It comes to something when double-decks are put on the 6 because the single-decks couldn't cope with the loadings, and even now the double-decks can't (at times) cope.
It's because of the latest East Birmingham changes which saw the 5 being rerouted and the 31 being curtailed to Acocks Green which has left the 6 to deal with the passengers. The 6 can't run on its own, unlike the 60 which did have its frequency increased after changes to the 58 and the 59. There needs to be a service running alongside the 6 so if I was in charge, I would reintroduce the 6A and make it run all day (it could run up the Shaftmoor Lane to Acocks Green and then up the Shirley Road to RHI and then run the 6 route to Solihull).
Quote from: Busboy105 on September 23, 2019, 07:04:13 PM
It's because of the latest East Birmingham changes which saw the 5 being rerouted and the 31 being curtailed to Acocks Green which has left the 6 to deal with the passengers. The 6 can't run on its own, unlike the 60 which did have its frequency increased after changes to the 58 and the 59. There needs to be a service running alongside the 6 so if I was in charge, I would reintroduce the 6A and make it run all day (it could run up the Shaftmoor Lane to Acocks Green and then up the Shirley Road to RHI and then run the 6 route to Solihull).
Or just increase the frequency between Birmingham and Shirley if that's the case. I've not seen any look like they're struggling in Solihull, so possibly not much need for an increased frequency all the way to Solihull.
What's the current frequency between Birmingham and Shirley?
Quote from: Busboy105 on September 23, 2019, 07:04:13 PM
It's because of the latest East Birmingham changes which saw the 5 being rerouted and the 31 being curtailed to Acocks Green which has left the 6 to deal with the passengers. The 6 can't run on its own, unlike the 60 which did have its frequency increased after changes to the 58 and the 59. There needs to be a service running alongside the 6 so if I was in charge, I would reintroduce the 6A and make it run all day (it could run up the Shaftmoor Lane to Acocks Green and then up the Shirley Road to RHI and then run the 6 route to Solihull).
I feel like I said this a year ago.
So is the 18 the route that's been converted to single deck?
Quote from: Busboy105 on September 23, 2019, 07:15:26 PM
What's the current frequency between Birmingham and Shirley?
5 - every 20 minutes
6 - every 7/8 minutes
Rail - every 20 minutes
Probably yeah, don't think it carries a lot of passengers as a double decker like the 2,3,49 and the 76.
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 23, 2019, 07:44:22 PM
I feel like I said this a year ago.
So is the 18 the route that's been converted to single deck?
5 - every 20 minutes
6 - every 7/8 minutes
Rail - every 20 minutes
People take the train to Shirley? Isn't the station like 10 minutes from the town centre?
Quote from: Busboy105 on September 23, 2019, 07:49:15 PM
People take the train to Shirley? Isn't the station like 10 minutes from the town centre?
The train station is fairly far away from the High Street.
You have to walk 20 minutes or get the 49 to get to the High Street.
Quote from: Busboy105 on September 23, 2019, 07:49:15 PM
People take the train to Shirley? Isn't the station like 10 minutes from the town centre?
Well, he didn't say
where in Shirley. So...
Quote from: Busboy105 on September 23, 2019, 07:04:13 PM
It's because of the latest East Birmingham changes which saw the 5 being rerouted and the 31 being curtailed to Acocks Green which has left the 6 to deal with the passengers. The 6 can't run on its own, unlike the 60 which did have its frequency increased after changes to the 58 and the 59. There needs to be a service running alongside the 6 so if I was in charge, I would reintroduce the 6A and make it run all day (it could run up the Shaftmoor Lane to Acocks Green and then up the Shirley Road to RHI and then run the 6 route to Solihull).
But you have to understand where the demand is, as well as appreciate the nature of 'circumstances'.
The Stratford Road between city centre and Sparkbrook is well served by buses 2, 3, 4, 4A, 5 and 6.
I personally usually catch the 2 or 3 from the Auckland Road stop (the first one on Stratford Road) to get home to Billesley, but I do also on occasion get the 5, and more rarely the 6.
I have managed to fight my way onto overcrowded buses on the 2, 3 and 5, only to find then that large numbers of people do get off at stops further down towards Aldi (Palmerston Road). So my conclusion is that there are a large number of passengers who only travel as far as Sparkbrook. Naturally if these people are waiting for a bus at Carrs Lane in the city centre, they will all try and pile onto the first bus that arrives there. And if traffic congestion means that gaps in service have appeared, you'll have huge crowds of people waiting to get on that first bus that comes. And that could equally be a single-deck on the 4 / 4A, or a double-deck on the 2, 3, 5 or 6.
The two most frequent services to Sparkbrook are the 4/4A and 6, under normal circumstances alongside the 2, 3 and 5 you should have a bus every few minutes, so capacity 'on paper' shouldn't be an issue.
But again 'circumstances'. What's causing the 'gaps' in service, and how can this be combatted? NX do run adjusted short journeys where buses towards city terminate short at Camp Hill, which is great for passengers like myself, but wouldn't help those passengers within the middle ring road trying to squeeze onto overcrowded less-frequent buses trying to get to the suburbs beyond Sparkbrook and Sparkhill.
Rather than introducing new 'A' variant routes or increasing the frequency along the whole route, exploring the option of running (or introducing) more 'E' journeys to cover the busier parts of the route would probably be a better option.
Apparently the 27 terminus is changing in Harborne? Is this true? If so, where?
It could terminate at Harbone Junction and then use the roundabout at serpentine road to do a loop back the way it came.
2 and 3 seemed to be majority single-deck today - if we have to have singles can we at least have the E200s rather than OmniLinks please? :(
I left work a bit earlier than normal this afternoon, just before 4pm, and couldn't get on the 3 as it was rammed full and the driver couldn't stop. :'(
Quote from: Stu on September 30, 2019, 07:16:30 PM
2 and 3 seemed to be majority single-deck today - if we have to have singles can we at least have the E200s rather than OmniLinks please? :(
What difference would it make?
Would it actually make any difference to the average passenger, if it was an E200 instead of an Ominilink? Do the E200 have any extra capacity, compared to an Omnilink?
Quote from: Stu on September 30, 2019, 07:16:30 PM
2 and 3 seemed to be majority single-deck today - if we have to have singles can we at least have the E200s rather than OmniLinks please? :(
I left work a bit earlier than normal this afternoon, just before 4pm, and couldn't get on the 3 as it was rammed full and the driver couldn't stop. :'(
The E200MMCs cannot make a couple of the turns easily on the 2 and 3 so have been put on the 27 until I can arrange for them to leave YW
Quote from: Tony on September 30, 2019, 07:32:34 PM
The E200MMCs cannot make a couple of the turns easily on the 2 and 3 so have been put on the 27 until I can arrange for them to leave YW
Pensnett potentially if the 15 moves to it?
Saw 4566 being towed through Kings Heath, presumably back to YW.
Quote from: 2206 on October 24, 2019, 03:56:20 PM
2241 and 2246 - YW 76.
Seems to have been quite a few of these on the 76 over the last few days.
The 2 and 3 seem have gone back to mostly double-decks again (which I'm not going to complain about!) so the singles are having to be used elsewhere, presumably Tony's plan isn't quite working out to schedule:
Quote from: Tony on September 30, 2019, 07:32:34 PM
The E200MMCs cannot make a couple of the turns easily on the 2 and 3 so have been put on the 27 until I can arrange for them to leave YW
Wonder if the plan is to swap them for Omnilinks from elsewhere?
Quote from: Stu on October 24, 2019, 06:41:57 PM
The 2 and 3 seem have gone back to mostly double-decks again (which I'm not going to complain about!) so the singles are having to be used elsewhere, presumably Tony's plan isn't quite working out to schedule:
Wonder if the plan is to swap them for Omnilinks from elsewhere?
WB?
First day in service at YW for 4306 today.
Should be out on the 18 until 17:55
Does anyone know where the remaining YW MMCs are going to go? Are they gonna stay at YW and rub on another route or are all of them going to WB or another garage? (Back to AG to make the 4/A fully MMC operated perhaps?)
Quote from: Busboy105 on November 03, 2019, 09:51:32 PM
Does anyone know where the remaining YW MMCs are going to go? Are they gonna stay at YW and rub on another route or are all of them going to WB or another garage? (Back to AG to make the 4/A fully MMC operated perhaps?)
YW have just 11 Scanias, is that enough for the 27, I doubt it. I think its been said elsewhere the MMCs are staying.
YW3225 heritage bus will be at Pensnett on Saturday morning for a bus naming ceremony.
Went to WB yesterday, and half the buses I saw at the bus station were ex YW/AG stock. Not exactly the best place to get photos though, due to the lack of vantage points. Had more luck on the other side of town,
4306 has been withdrawn at YW with a failed gearbox
This may be a daft question but where is the 49 supposed to terminate in Northfield? Because earlier I saw one which appeared to stop at the 27 stop on the high st blocking a 27 from getting to the stop which I thought was quite odd.
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 08, 2019, 10:35:00 PM
This may be a daft question but where is the 49 supposed to terminate in Northfield? Because earlier I saw one which appeared to stop at the 27 stop on the high st blocking a 27 from getting to the stop which I thought was quite odd.
It terminates at the Bell Lane bus stop opposite the pound store.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 08, 2019, 10:54:31 PM
It terminates at the Bell Lane bus stop opposite the pound store.
Oh? I always thought it was on Bell Hill as I've seen them stop there, before turning around. Besides the stop by the Pound Store only says 27 on the flag.
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 08, 2019, 11:09:18 PM
Oh? I always thought it was on Bell Hill as I've seen them stop there, before turning around. Besides the stop by the Pound Store only says 27 on the flag.
Yea they don't seem to have the number if it's terminating anymore. An example of that is the 18 terminating at Bartley Green.
The 49's first pick up is at the main stretch of bus stops opposite MacDonalds (where the 48 terminates). It seems to have a couple of layover points - the top of Bell Hill as mentioned but I've also seen them parked up just before the dedicated bus lane/traffic light junction by the Grosvenor Centre.
Before the opening of the new road, they used turn round and wait by the Royal Orthopaedic Hospital (as did the old SO 64).
4732 back home from refurbishment and out on the 50 on New Years Eve.
Just seen 1915 sat by an old X64 stop on Weoley Castle Road displaying 27 Maypole which I thought was a bit weird. Is there a journey that starts from Weoley Castle now and it's just waiting time?
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 09, 2020, 07:03:03 AM
Just seen 1915 sat by an old X64 stop on Weoley Castle Road displaying 27 Maypole which I thought was a bit weird. Is there a journey that starts from Weoley Castle now and it's just waiting time?
Possibly, I've also bserved that not all journeys on the 27 from Maypole or Harborne
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 09, 2020, 07:03:03 AM
Just seen 1915 sat by an old X64 stop on Weoley Castle Road displaying 27 Maypole which I thought was a bit weird. Is there a journey that starts from Weoley Castle now and it's just waiting time?
You could always look at the timetable ;)
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/current_timetables/2019-Timetables/27-October-2019/B027_27Oct19.pdf
Timetabled journey at 07:02 starts from Weoley Castle Square towards Maypole.
Quote from: Stu on January 09, 2020, 06:22:57 PM
You could always look at the timetable ;)
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/current_timetables/2019-Timetables/27-October-2019/B027_27Oct19.pdf
Timetabled journey at 07:02 starts from Weoley Castle Square towards Maypole.
Well to be honest the timetables for the 27 aren't worth bothering with most of the time ;)
So I see. Any reason for this? It can't be random, surely. Though that said I notice there's also a 10:00 journey on Saturday from Yardley Wood to Maypole which is timetabled to take 7 mins. Is there really any point of that? Maybe there is, just seems a little weird is all.
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 09, 2020, 08:19:41 PM
Well to be honest the timetables for the 27 aren't worth bothering with most of the time ;)
So I see. Any reason for this? It can't be random, surely. Though that said I notice there's also a 10:00 journey on Saturday from Yardley Wood to Maypole which is timetabled to take 7 mins. Is there really any point of that? Maybe there is, just seems a little weird is all.
They probably have their reasons. ;)
Considering the 27 is operated from Yardley Wood garage, it would make sense to have a running board that starts from there at 10am on Saturday, which probably then slots into the schedule to make the 27 every 20mins during Saturday daytime.
Without checking the timetable, there may be an early running board on Saturday that finishes at the Maypole before going back to garage.
4921's first full day at YW today and it is out on the 35 if anyone wants to find it
1921 now has the distinction of having a girls name (Isobelle Fleur) and a dedication (Steve Ainsworth).
Quote from: Jack on February 01, 2020, 11:33:35 AM
2246 - 6
@Jack E200s are still common on the 6, though obviously less often now.
Quote from: Stu on February 01, 2020, 02:25:58 PM
@Jack E200s are still common on the 6, though obviously less often now.
Hence why I posted, incase someone wanted to tick it off before goes up north.
Saw and snapped 4921, 4923 and 4924 today - all on Route 35. Are these permanent transfers to YW or just temporary?
Quote from: darthdc on February 04, 2020, 02:24:26 PM
Saw and snapped 4921, 4923 and 4924 today - all on Route 35. Are these permanent transfers to YW or just temporary?
Permanent.
4919-27 are the complete batch. Part of a 3 way swap with YW / WN & Dundee
Quote from: Winston on February 04, 2020, 02:33:59 PM
Permanent.
4919-27 are the complete batch. Part of a 3 way swap with YW / WN & Dundee
So which ones left YW as part of the swap?
Quote from: darthdc on February 04, 2020, 03:20:30 PM
So which ones left YW as part of the swap?
Green ex YW E200MMC's that Tony has been taking to Dundee (2239 & 2247) & bringing back E400H for WN in return
Quote from: darthdc on February 04, 2020, 03:20:30 PM
So which ones left YW as part of the swap?
Not all have left yet, but how it stands once they take place (going off what's been mentioned on here)
5422-30 Dundee to Wolverhampton
4919-27 Wolverhampton to Yardley Wood
2239-47 Yardley Wood to Dundee.
I think they've placed their new acquisitions on the 2,3, 18 and 49, since I was in Kings Heath today and didn't see one.
4921 is on the 49 today.
Quote from: darthdc on February 08, 2020, 02:15:38 PM
I think they've placed their new acquisitions on the 2,3, 18 and 49, since I was in Kings Heath today and didn't see one.
They'll be used on any double-deck route, so any YW route apart from the 27 (and the 6 and 50 which are Platinum)
Quote from: Stu on February 09, 2020, 06:26:09 PM
They'll be used on any double-deck route, so any YW route apart from the 27 (and the 6 and 50 which are Platinum)
Well, the 35 is using the 47** (18 - 32) and platinums mostly, at the moment. I suppose I'll have to hang around outside the garage for a few hours to get some.
Quote from: darthdc on February 11, 2020, 03:57:08 PM
Well, the 35 is using the 47** (18 - 32) and platinums mostly, at the moment. I suppose I'll have to hang around outside the garage for a few hours to get some.
4922 was my ride home this evening on the 3 8)
4921 on the 35
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 14, 2020, 03:27:05 PM
4921 on the 35
Yardley Wood E400 on a Yardley Wood E400 route
YW garage has changed hands again:
https://www.thebusinessdesk.com/westmidlands/news/2038300-bus-depot-snapped-up-in-6.8m-deal
https://quoteddata.com/2020/02/lxi-announces-profitable-exit-accretive-acquisition/
Quote from: Jack on February 18, 2020, 04:15:59 PM
1915 and Platinum are on 2/3.
@Jack , Omnilinks are not noteworthy on the 2 or 3, still one or two on there every day.
Quote from: Stu on February 19, 2020, 08:45:17 PM
@Jack , Omnilinks are not noteworthy on the 2 or 3, still one or two on there every day.
Thanks for confirmation - haven't seen one on there for a while, but yesterday it had a mixed bag on there! Are the remaining E200MMC's still regular sights on there?
Quote from: Jack on February 19, 2020, 08:47:07 PM
Thanks for confirmation - haven't seen one on there for a while, but yesterday it had a mixed bag on there! Are the remaining E200MMC's still regular sights on there?
No, cannot manage the route, that is why they are leaving
Quote from: Jack on February 19, 2020, 08:47:07 PM
Thanks for confirmation - haven't seen one on there for a while, but yesterday it had a mixed bag on there! Are the remaining E200MMC's still regular sights on there?
The E200s are no longer used on the 2 or 3 due to some tight turns, Tony has confirmed this previously.
Your best chance of finding them will be on the 27, otherwise they are probably out on the 18 or 76.
Quote from: Stu on February 19, 2020, 08:54:25 PM
The E200s are no longer used on the 2 or 3 due to some tight turns, Tony has confirmed this previously.
Your best chance of finding them will be on the 27, otherwise they are probably out on the 18 or 76.
There's only 3 there, and they seem to be last resort now
Quote from: Tony on February 19, 2020, 08:58:22 PM
There's only 3 there, and they seem to be last resort now
Thanks, I didn't realise there were that few of them left there.
Its a shame really, as they are great buses, as single decks go I do prefer them to the Omnilinks personally.
Quote from: Stu on February 19, 2020, 08:54:25 PM
Your best chance of finding them will be on the 27, otherwise they are probably out on the 18 or 76.
And up until the start of last week they still made appearances on the YW 6. I saw 1 or 2 on there last week I think. 2244 was on there last week one day I think.
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 19, 2020, 05:17:13 PM
4900 & 4903 - 14
Is this realy noteworthy anymore either, when they are making daily appearances, though? And is there any reason for the increase in E400 on there? Also saw a 487X on Monday night.
Omnilinks are far more superior than the E200MMC's. I'm happy YW are keeping those over the E200MMC's, much better single deckers.
Quote from: 2206 on February 19, 2020, 09:07:49 PM
And up until the start of last week they still made appearances on the YW 6. I saw 1 or 2 on there last week I think. 2244 was on there last week one day I think.Is this realy noteworthy anymore either, when they are making daily appearances, though? And is there any reason for the increase in E400 on there? Also saw a 487X on Monday night.
Tony did point out there's a number of Tridents having Euro 6 treatment...
I see 4725 is the latest one of its batch to sport the crimson livery. Are the others going to follow suit eventually?
Quote from: darthdc on February 20, 2020, 04:28:59 PM
I see 4725 is the latest one of its batch to sport the crimson livery. Are the others going to follow suit eventually?
All of 4718-32 will be done.
Quote from: 2206 on February 19, 2020, 09:07:49 PM
And up until the start of last week they still made appearances on the YW 6. I saw 1 or 2 on there last week I think. 2244 was on there last week one day I think.Is this realy noteworthy anymore either, when they are making daily appearances, though? And is there any reason for the increase in E400 on there? Also saw a 487X on Monday night.
Sunday's are e400 that's why
Quote from: SK68MEV on February 20, 2020, 10:57:38 PM
Sunday's are e400 that's why
Not just Sundays.
For instance there were 4 E400 on the 14 today
@SK68MEV. And today is Thursday.
4876, 4908, 4913 and a 493X.
Quote from: 2206 on February 20, 2020, 11:00:56 PM
Not just Sundays.
For instance there were 4 E400 on the 14 today @SK68MEV. And today is Thursday.
4876, 4908, 4913 and a 493X.
all the boards are e400 on sundays so they crawl on there in the week day as I see that side everyday probably because of the tridents off for the euro 6 conversion again
Quote from: Winston on February 19, 2020, 12:58:20 AM
YW garage has changed hands again:
https://www.thebusinessdesk.com/westmidlands/news/2038300-bus-depot-snapped-up-in-6.8m-deal
https://quoteddata.com/2020/02/lxi-announces-profitable-exit-accretive-acquisition/
I thought WMT owned all the garages ,were these sold to raise capital
Quote from: 2900 on February 21, 2020, 11:46:53 AM
I thought WMT owned all the garages ,were these sold to raise capital
Nope, not all, YW & your garage were sold & leased back. BC has also been sold for re-development
I know this might have been asked before, but when are the electric double deckers due?
Quote from: markcf83 on February 23, 2020, 05:57:02 PM
I know this might have been asked before, but when are the electric double deckers due?
@markcf83 Look on the New deliveries thread as their registrations have been put up & deliveries commence sometime in March I believe as they are being built/nearly built
I have done. Duly noted.
Saw E001 on Moor Street Queensway at 13:00 while getting off 6833 on the X20.
Quote from: 2206 on March 05, 2020, 01:42:42 PM
Saw E001 on Moor Street Queensway at 13:00 while getting off 6833 on the X20.
Saw E001 parked up outside Moor Street Station at 10:45 this morning, E002 turned up moments later, both on driver training.
When are these likely to enter normal service?
Are they still in base livery or have some of them been branded yet
Quote from: danny on March 08, 2020, 08:43:20 PM
Are they still in base livery or have some of them been branded yet
They are not branded yet and are still in the base livery.
Quote from: 2206 on March 08, 2020, 06:30:17 PM
Saw E001 parked up outside Moor Street Station at 10:45 this morning, E002 turned up moments later, both on driver training.
When are these likely to enter normal service?
When the drivers are trained, when NX launch the electric buses through a PR event and enough to cover the 6 route obviously....
Alexander Dennis has shared a photo with E010 on facebook at the Falkirk factory
Bus Times states that YW 49 extensions to JLR and Widney Manor will be withdrawn in April.
Also VOSA states that the replacement of the Diamond 108, will be numbered X15 and not X6.
Saw E001 on the Stratford Road at Hall Green crossing the 11 route, heading towards Shirley at 15:30 while I was on 6893.
Quote from: 2206 on March 15, 2020, 10:09:31 AM
Bus Times states that YW 49 extensions to JLR and Widney Manor will be withdrawn in April.
Also VOSA states that the replacement of the Diamond 108, will be numbered X15 and not X6.
It only does 3 journeys each way doesn't it? Will they run all day or continue to be peak like the Walsall 936?
When the E0**'s go into service how many will be branded for the 6
current operational fleet
1919
1920
1921
1922
1923
1924
6899
6901
6903
6904
6907
6908
6910
6911
6943
6969
7518
7519
7520
7521
7522
7523
7524
7525
7526
7527
7528
7529
7530
7531
7532
7533
7534
7535
7536
7537
7538
on loan from BC
765
8355
6895, 6898 & 6913 returning to service this weekend
Quote from: Tony on May 06, 2020, 03:29:34 PM
6895, 6898 & 6913 returning to service this weekend
@Tony any idea what was up with the 2 and 3 this evening?
I left work in good time to catch the 3 due at Auckland Road at 17:45 but it never turned up - I was at the stop at 17:39 as I know it sometimes does come a couple of minutes early. The bus app wasn't working at the time, but when it came back on about 5:50 it was showing the 3 to Yardley Wood as arriving in 10 minutes. It stayed between 10-11 minutes for about 10 minutes, then started counting down, but never arrived, though 6943 did go past me Not In Service.
To add insult to injury, the 2 that was scheduled for 18:15 was counting down as expected, then about 18:13 the app was just showing the timetabled departure, and that too failed to arrive. But to be fair, while waiting for the 3, I did not see the 3 coming in the opposite direction towards city, which would have become the next 2 outbound.
In hindsight, I was expecting the 3 that was counting down on the app to not arrive, or to be running Not In Service, so I really should have just gone with my instincts and got the 5 instead.
I'm not really complaining or moaning, would just like to understand what happened. These two services are only using three buses between them at present, so for two to be missing is a bit odd.
Quote from: Stu on May 06, 2020, 07:19:13 PM
@Tony any idea what was up with the 2 and 3 this evening?
I left work in good time to catch the 3 due at Auckland Road at 17:45 but it never turned up - I was at the stop at 17:39 as I know it sometimes does come a couple of minutes early. The bus app wasn't working at the time, but when it came back on about 5:50 it was showing the 3 to Yardley Wood as arriving in 10 minutes. It stayed between 10-11 minutes for about 10 minutes, then started counting down, but never arrived, though 6943 did go past me Not In Service.
To add insult to injury, the 2 that was scheduled for 18:15 was counting down as expected, then about 18:13 the app was just showing the timetabled departure, and that too failed to arrive. But to be fair, while waiting for the 3, I did not see the 3 coming in the opposite direction towards city, which would have become the next 2 outbound.
In hindsight, I was expecting the 3 that was counting down on the app to not arrive, or to be running Not In Service, so I really should have just gone with my instincts and got the 5 instead.
I'm not really complaining or moaning, would just like to understand what happened. These two services are only using three buses between them at present, so for two to be missing is a bit odd.
Not really. I got no emails about any problems. I can see 7533 40 minutes late at one point then getting swapped for 7529 outside the garage then turned short to put it back on time, but I've no idea what caused the problems
4920 enjoyed a day out on the 2 and 3 today
Looking forward to a bit of nostalgia next week when presumably the Tridents return to these routes!
https://www.birminghamupdates.com/a-vintage-90th-birthday-surprise-for-pauline/
Well done that man!
E012 on driver training in Hall Green today.
Am I the only one who finds it weird that the new 6 branding doesn't have the 6 number next to the key areas it serves? Plus why isn't Sparkbrook on there? That's a major area right?
Is there a date yet for the launch of the E0s?
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 10, 2020, 12:27:32 AM
Am I the only one who finds it weird that the new 6 branding doesn't have the 6 number next to the key areas it serves? Plus why isn't Sparkbrook on there? That's a major area right?
Upcoming Stratford Road review? Renumbered to E6 to denote electric service?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on June 10, 2020, 11:56:01 AM
Upcoming Stratford Road review? Renumbered to E6 to denote electric service?
There's a photo of its interior branding, which does mention the 6.. I'll link it later if I get the chance to find it
The branding on the electrics states "up to every 5 mins" which I would expect to apply to peaks on Monday to Friday, the pre-lockdown timetable was no more than every 6 minutes. So I would think when normality returns (Could by months away) a new improved timetable would be introduced BUT 19 buses won't be enough, even if the daytime is every 6 minutes the PVR would be approx. 17 buses, that only leaves 2 spare, also the capacity of the new electric bus is 7 seats less than a standard platinum (electrics are 65 seaters and platinums are 72 seaters). I should imagine that standard platinums will continue on the 6 alongside the new electrics.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on June 10, 2020, 11:56:01 AM
Upcoming Stratford Road review? Renumbered to E6 to denote electric service?
Don't think so. Every Stratford Road service has had a review in its sense from the last consultation. The 2 now runs alongside the 3 between Birmingham and Yardley Wood, the 5 replaces the 2 in Sparkhill and has a slight change to route because of this. The 31 was shortened to Acocks Green. The 37 was split into the 4 and 4A (which goes to Gospel Oak and Robin Hood Island to replace the 31).
I don't see what NX can do for a Stratford Road review.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on June 10, 2020, 12:52:12 PM
The branding on the electrics states "up to every 5 mins" which I would expect to apply to peaks on Monday to Friday, the pre-lockdown timetable was no more than every 6 minutes. So I would think when normality returns (Could by months away) a new improved timetable would be introduced BUT 19 buses won't be enough, even if the daytime is every 6 minutes the PVR would be approx. 17 buses, that only leaves 2 spare, also the capacity of the new electric bus is 7 seats less than a standard platinum (electrics are 65 seaters and platinums are 72 seaters). I should imagine that standard platinums will continue on the 6 alongside the new electrics.
Perhaps the recent Platinum transfers to AG have their part to play in this..? The 5 also serves all the areas on the 6 branding.
Quote from: MW on June 10, 2020, 05:15:19 PM
Perhaps the recent Platinum transfers to AG have their part to play in this..? The 5 also serves all the areas on the 6 branding.
Yes.. apparently the 5 is to become Platinum and wouldn't interwork with the 73 anymore. What would happen to the extra Volvos then?
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 10, 2020, 04:45:33 PM
Don't think so. Every Stratford Road service has had a review in its sense from the last consultation. The 2 now runs alongside the 3 between Birmingham and Yardley Wood, the 5 replaces the 2 in Sparkhill and has a slight change to route because of this. The 31 was shortened to Acocks Green. The 37 was split into the 4 and 4A (which goes to Gospel Oak and Robin Hood Island to replace the 31).
I don't see what NX can do for a Stratford Road review.
It was posted on here a while ago that a Startford Rd review was due this year, i guess Covid derailed those plans. I remember in the last review they had ideas about making an express Acocks green service via the A45 as one idea. So i guess still other ideas that could come out the wood work. I am just speculating though, i could be wrong.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 10, 2020, 05:50:05 PM
It was posted on here a while ago that a Startford Rd review was due this year, i guess Covid derailed those plans. I remember in the last review they had ideas about making an express Acocks green service via the A45 as one idea. So i guess still other ideas that could come out the wood work. I am just speculating though, i could be wrong.
Is there a reason why the Stratford Road is a subject to review?
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 10, 2020, 05:57:57 PM
Is there a reason why the Stratford Road is a subject to review?
Because of growing passenger numbers on the 6.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on June 10, 2020, 11:56:01 AM
Upcoming Stratford Road review? Renumbered to E6 to denote electric service?
Prior to the start of the lockdown, TfWM had just replaced most of the flags along the Stratford Road with the new design (though nothing had changed service-wise), so it would be a complete waste of money if any route numbers changed and the flags all had to be replaced again.
Quote from: MW on June 10, 2020, 05:15:19 PM
Perhaps the recent Platinum transfers to AG have their part to play in this..? The 5 also serves all the areas on the 6 branding.
The 5 and 6 serve different parts of Hall Green though.
Quote from: Stu on June 10, 2020, 07:16:02 PM
The 5 and 6 serve different parts of Hall Green though.
TfWM have spent time and effort and money on more stops than just Stratford Road and then ended up having to make amendments. I recall some stops of former Signature services changed around December 2018, and then changed again in February 2019. Logic can usually be dismissed with any TfWM changes from what I've come to learn.
Yeah they serve different parts of Hall Green but the branding doesn't specify which parts of Hall Green. I wonder what will come of the 4/4A in all of this.
Quote from: MW on June 10, 2020, 07:43:52 PM
TfWM have spent time and effort and money on more stops than just Stratford Road and then ended up having to make amendments. I recall some stops of former Signature services changed around December 2018, and then changed again in February 2019. Logic can usually be dismissed with any TfWM changes from what I've come to learn.
Yeah they serve different parts of Hall Green but the branding doesn't specify which parts of Hall Green. I wonder what will come of the 4/4A in all of this.
The 4/4A getting jealous of the 5 becoming platinum 😂
The 5s reply
Gurl don't you start you had the b7s in 2006/7 followed by scanias in 2010 followed by B7s in 2012 followed by e200 Mmcs in 2015 whilst I get anything goes!!! Eat my 19 plate platinums dust 😂
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on June 10, 2020, 08:24:58 PM
Gurl don't you start you had the b7s in 2006/7 followed by scanias in 2010 followed by B7s in 2012 followed by e200 Mmcs in 2015 whilst I get anything goes!!! Eat my 19 plate platinums dust 😂
The 2012 B7RLE at AG were new for the 71 and 72, not the 37. The 37 remained Omnilink operated till the E200 MMC arrived in 2015.
Quote from: MW on June 10, 2020, 07:43:52 PM
TfWM have spent time and effort and money on more stops than just Stratford Road and then ended up having to make amendments. I recall some stops of former Signature services changed around December 2018, and then changed again in February 2019. Logic can usually be dismissed with any TfWM changes from what I've come to learn.
Yeah they serve different parts of Hall Green but the branding doesn't specify which parts of Hall Green. I wonder what will come of the 4/4A in all of this.
They've removed the little red bar that has the area name and the stop letter from a lot of areas. Don't know why they've done that.
Quote from: 2206 on June 10, 2020, 08:28:23 PM
The 2012 B7RLE at AG were new for the 71 and 72, not the 37. The 37 remained Omnilink operated till the E200 MMC arrived in 2015.
I drove plenty of B7RLE on the 37.
By the same logic, the 46xx were new for the 11. That didn't stop them being regulars on the 37.
Quote from: MW on June 10, 2020, 09:30:36 PM
I drove plenty of B7RLE on the 37.
By the same logic, the 46xx were new for the 11. That didn't stop them being regulars on the 37.
They weren't that common on the 37 though
The authority whatever they are called now are always wasting money with rebranding name changes etc so wouldn't be anything new.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 11, 2020, 06:41:19 AM
The authority whatever they are called now are always wasting money with rebranding name changes etc so wouldn't be anything new.
Done more in 5 years than what Centro did in 30+ years. Or however long they've been around
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 11, 2020, 08:14:41 AM
Done more in 5 years than what Centro did in 30+ years. Or however long they've been around
Not sure what your 5 year comment is about. It was WMPTE until the same authority became TfWM a lot less than 5 years ago
Quote from: Tony on June 11, 2020, 09:01:04 AM
Not sure what your 5 year comment is about. It was WMPTE until the same authority became TfWM a lot less than 5 years ago
Transport for West Midlands was founded on 17th June 2016 following the first elected Mayor of the newly established West Midlands Combined Authority taking office.
Before 2016, public transport services in the West Midlands were co-ordinated by the West Midlands Passenger Transport Executive, branded as Centro. Centro's policies were set by the West Midlands Integrated Transport Authority (WMITA). TfWM absorbed the functions, responsibilities, assets and staff of both of these organisations in June 2016, and the predecessor organisations were dissolved
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 10, 2020, 10:11:34 PM
They weren't that common on the 37 though
They was.
The Omnilinks were often on the 71/72 as were the Urban 2 B7RLE's on the 37.
Just checked the latest photo for 6907. Since when does the 18 serve Kings Heath? Does Alcester Lanes End count as Kings Heath?
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 13, 2020, 10:28:29 PM
Just checked the latest photo for 6907. Since when does the 18 serve Kings Heath? Does Alcester Lanes End count as Kings Heath?
That is part of Kings Heath. Cocks Moor swimming baths which is further on down the Alcester Road is also classed as Kings Heath so the 18 does serve part of it.
Quote from: j789 on June 13, 2020, 10:47:16 PM
That is part of Kings Heath. Cocks Moor swimming baths which is further on down the Alcester Road is also classed as Kings Heath so the 18 does serve part of it.
Oh ok. It's just that the 18 never had Kings Heath in its destination board before.
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 13, 2020, 11:03:26 PM
Oh ok. It's just that the 18 never had Kings Heath in its destination board before.
Probably because it doesn't serve Kings Heath
directly. The 12/12A
technically serve Smethwick, but not directly so it's not included as a destination
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 13, 2020, 11:29:03 PM
Probably because it doesn't serve Kings Heath directly. The 12/12A technically serve Smethwick, but not directly so it's not included as a destination
right ok
The 18 doesn't go to Kings Heath full stop. It's just misleading.
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 13, 2020, 11:03:26 PM
Oh ok. It's just that the 18 never had Kings Heath in its destination board before.
This is going back a couple of years, when the 'trend' became to have a single via point, somehow the 18 ended up with 'via Kings Heath'. I'm sure this was corrected later on though, I don't see the 18 very often, but in recent times I've only seen it show either 'via Kings Norton' or 'via Cotteridge'.
Quote from: Stevo on June 14, 2020, 10:00:38 AM
The 18 doesn't go to Kings Heath full stop. It's just misleading.
Well a little bit, only if you're expecting it to go to Kings Heath centre. But if you're talking about the wider Kings Heath area, then technically its correct.
It would be the same argument as if the 2 and 3 displayed 'via Moseley'. Technically they do run through Moseley, along Yardley Wood Road, but they don't go to the village centre, as one might expect.
Surely via Kings Norton would be better and more appropriate for the 18 than Kings Heath.
Or, you know, you could have more than one via point. Crazy, I know.
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 14, 2020, 11:38:55 AM
Surely via Kings Norton would be better and more appropriate for the 18 than Kings Heath.
Or, you know, you could have more than one via point. Crazy, I know.
I remember when the Cov buses just had their via points as which part of the city centre they went via (ie Broadgate, Burgess, Pool Meadow).
I brought that up when I worked at YW. To say 18 via Kings Heath is wrong and misleading, it should be Cotteridge or Kings Norton or even via Northfield.
Going back to the 6, the current PVR is 22 so changes were being proposed to the 6 with less journeys through to Solihull (76 runs parallel from Robin Hood to Solihull) and it's felt that part is over-bussed. Nothing announced yet due to Covid-19.
John
Quote from: John Stait on June 14, 2020, 06:56:10 PM
I brought that up when I worked at YW. To say 18 via Kings Heath is wrong and misleading, it should be Cotteridge or Kings Norton or even via Northfield.
Going back to the 6, the current PVR is 22 so changes were being proposed to the 6 with less journeys through to Solihull (76 runs parallel from Robin Hood to Solihull) and it's felt that part is over-bussed. Nothing announced yet due to Covid-19.
John
So the 6 could have short working journeys?
That was looked at, yes. Several points were suggested. Never saw the final plans and I don't know what was agreed, if anything. There was a desire NOT to have to use non-electric buses on the 6 at all. They were also looking to reroute the 5 between Sarehole Mill and Sparkhill via Cole Bank Road and Stratford Road to keep a reasonable BPH through Hall Green and Springfield.
Quote from: John Stait on June 14, 2020, 07:10:38 PM
That was looked at, yes. Several points were suggested. Never saw the final plans and I don't know what was agreed, if anything. There was a desire NOT to have to use non-electric buses on the 6 at all. They were also looking to reroute the 5 between Sarehole Mill and Sparkhill via Cole Bank Road and Stratford Road to keep a reasonable BPH through Hall Green and Springfield.
Would these plans mean that the Wake Green Road will no longer be served by a service anymore?
Do many people use the 5 along there?
Again I can't confirm what the final plan is, that's if anything is going to be changed, but yes the 5 would be taken out of Wake Green Road (which never had a bus service anyway on the part between Springfield Road and College Road) and the 2 was proposed to go back via Showell Green Lane.
Quote from: 2206 on June 14, 2020, 07:15:01 PM
Would these plans mean that the Wake Green Road will no longer be served by a service anymore?
Do many people use the 5 along there?
The 2 going back to SGL makes sense. Stoney Lane is too narrow for both the 2 & 3 and is probably absolute hell to go through at peak times.
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 14, 2020, 07:24:00 PM
The 2 going back to SGL makes sense. Stoney Lane is too narrow for both the 2 & 3 and is probably absolute hell to go through at peak times.
Not quite sure how a road can be wide enough for one service, but not two
Quote from: Tony on June 14, 2020, 07:28:20 PM
Not quite sure how a road can be wide enough for one service, but not two
I mean that the buses have trouble going through Stoney Lane because of traffic and poor parking
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 14, 2020, 07:24:00 PM
The 2 going back to SGL makes sense. Stoney Lane is too narrow for both the 2 & 3 and is probably absolute hell to go through at peak times.
Quote from: Tony on June 14, 2020, 07:28:20 PM
Not quite sure how a road can be wide enough for one service, but not two
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 14, 2020, 07:38:57 PM
I mean that the buses have trouble going through Stoney Lane because of traffic and poor parking
Do you ever catch the 2 or 3 services?
I do, everyday, and yes I agree it can be difficult for buses to negotiate when there is queuing traffic during peak times, but most of the time its just fine.
Don't forget you also have the 34 service that operates along there. ;)
Prior to the lockdown, what became apparent to me was that increasing amounts of congestion trouble along Stoney Lane was being caused by the council's decision to make part of Ladypool Road a one-way system.
I started using the 2 and 3 regularly right at the time when the 2 was amended to serve Stoney Lane. Heading towards Birmingham in the morning, there were always (prior to lockdown) a fair few passengers waiting at the Esme Road stop, and this was with both services operating at an 8 to 10 minute frequency.
So there was obviously a need to have the 2 run up Stoney Lane as well as the 3, passenger demand and all that.
I do on occasion get the 5 home as an alternative, and there are few people who get off on Court Road or Showell Green Lane.
Between Sparkbrook and Wake Green, I think the current arrangement for the 2, 3 and 5 works just fine, to be honest.
If I'm honest, turning some 6s at Shirley or Robin Hood would make sense if there was a equal service on another route that runs the same line of route between there and Solihull
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 15, 2020, 03:37:39 AM
If I'm honest, turning some 6s at Shirley or Robin Hood would make sense if there was a equal service on another route that runs the same line of route between there and Solihull
There is. The 76.
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 15, 2020, 12:20:34 PM
There is. The 76.
It's not as frequent as the 6 (not even close) at every 20 mins (every 30 currently)
@Tony there's rumours going around that deckers have been on the 27 full route these last 4 days can you confirm if it's happened or it's a lie
Quote from: samuel derrington on June 20, 2020, 02:03:33 PM
@Tony there's rumours going around that deckers have been on the 27 full route these last 4 days can you confirm if it's happened or it's a lie
Nothing has lost its roof
Since the 27 goes under a low bridge unless nxwm have any new open toppers which
@Tony confirmed nothing has lost its roof, I'd say it's a total lie
Quote from: Steveminor on June 21, 2020, 09:31:13 AM
Since the 27 goes under a low bridge unless nxwm have any new open toppers which @Tony confirmed nothing has lost its roof, I'd say it's a total lie
Yardley Wood have been struggling to get enough Scanias fit after some broken windows, so have borrowed some E200MMCs from AG to cover, but they are certainly not deckers
I heard that the Stratford Road could be revised as follows:
5 re-routed from Shirley to Solihull via Blossomfield
6 unchanged
6A as 6 to Shirley, then replacing 5 to Solihull via Monkspath and Widney.
It's a bit complicated isn't it!
Quote from: Steve3229vp on June 27, 2020, 12:59:52 PM
It's a bit complicated isn't it!
5/6 taking the current 6 route and 6A taking the current 5 route doesn't sound very complicated to me.
Passengers will also quickly get used to it. Surely the many changes the South West of Birmingham had in July 2018 would have been more complicated at the time, yet people quickly got used to that.
What would the frequencies likely be?
Quote from: 2206 on June 27, 2020, 01:16:34 PM
5/6 taking the current 6 route and 6A taking the current 5 route doesn't sound very complicated to me.
Passengers will also quickly get used to it. Surely the many changes the South West of Birmingham had in August 2018 would have been more complicated at the time, yet people quickly got used to that.
What would the frequencies likely be?
The 5 could keep its 20 minute frequency but could get a frequency increase to every 30 minutes instead of an hour.
The 6 could get a slight frequency decrease to combine with the 6A.
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 27, 2020, 01:55:58 PM
The 5 could keep its 20 minute frequency but could get a frequency increase to every 30 minutes instead of an hour.
Sorry, but that makes no sense whatsoever. ::)
Quote from: Stu on June 27, 2020, 07:38:19 PM
Sorry, but that makes no sense whatsoever. ::)
It does I forgot to say the evening. In the evening, the frequency can be increased to every 30 minutes instead of hourly.
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 27, 2020, 08:05:58 PM
It does I forgot to say the evening. In the evening, the frequency can be increased to every 30 minutes instead of hourly.
I think it's more likely to be every hour on each route (5, 6, 6A) combining every 20 minutes
Quote from: Steve3229vp on June 27, 2020, 08:30:07 PM
I think it's more likely to be every hour on each route (5, 6, 6A) combining every 20 minutes
Yeah that makes sense. But the 5 operates out of AG, not YW.
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 27, 2020, 09:44:12 PM
Yeah that makes sense. But the 5 operates out of AG, not YW.
That has nothing to do with the frequency.
The 55 and 94 have combined to a joint frequency for the past few years and they are operated by different garages.
The rumours are that the 5 & 6A will operate out of AG. A rough PVR of 14 if both services are every 20 minutes, possibly inter working.
It does fit into the other rumours that the 73 will no longer interwork the 5, so perhaps some truth to it all.
Joyriding bus thief steals brand new electric double Decker from Yardley Wood depot, extract from Birmingham Mail:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/joyriding-bus-thief-steals-brand-18600678
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 16, 2020, 11:30:31 AM
Joyriding bus thief steals brand new electric double Decker from Yardley Wood depot, extract from Birmingham Mail:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/joyriding-bus-thief-steals-brand-18600678
How did he steal it? I hope he didn't just waltz into YW and took it.
Quote from: Busboy105 on July 16, 2020, 01:16:34 PM
How did he steal it? I hope he didn't just waltz into YW and took it.
How else do you steal a bus from a garage?
Quote from: Tony on July 16, 2020, 02:21:30 PM
How else do you steal a bus from a garage?
Very easily if you know how to start a bus, when i was at Midland Red West we had a spate of thefts from the Bull Ring Bus Station culminating with a lad who stole a 192 out of Bull Ring Bus Station after loading it with passengers and happily set off down the Hagley Rd issuing tickets and picking up and set down only to be finally stopped by the police at Bearwood. The passengers were blissfully unaware till the police caught up with it but luckily this bus in question didn't have to keep above 50mph mind you no problem if it was a Lance! On a serious note after such an serious investment by your company I hope there wasn't too much damage for you to sort out
@Tony ?
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 16, 2020, 02:31:02 PM
Very easily if you know how to start a bus, when i was at Midland Red West we had a spate of thefts from the Bull Ring Bus Station culminating with a lad who stole a 192 out of Bull Ring Bus Station after loading it with passengers and happily set off down the Hagley Rd issuing tickets and picking up and set down only to be finally stopped by the police at Bearwood. The passengers were blissfully unaware till the police caught up with it with it but luckily this bus in question didn't have to keep above 50mph mind you no problem if it was a Lance! On a serious note after such an serious investment by your company I hope there wasn't too much damage for you to sort out @Tony ?
Looks mainly lower panel damage:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/joyriding-bus-thief-steals-brand-18600678
Quote from: Winston on July 16, 2020, 02:34:42 PM
Looks mainly lower panel damage:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/joyriding-bus-thief-steals-brand-18600678
Only damage happened when the thief turned left out of the garage and caught the railings. This is a manouvre banned to YW drivers due to the tight nature of the turn.
Quote from: Tony on July 16, 2020, 03:26:20 PM
Only damage happened when the thief turned left out of the garage and caught the railings. This is a manouvre banned to YW drivers due to the tight nature of the turn.
Thank goodness it wasn't worse
@Tony at least the consequences are a vivid reminder to YW drivers on leaving the garage.
Quote from: Tony on July 16, 2020, 03:26:20 PM
Only damage happened when the thief turned left out of the garage and caught the railings. This is a manouvre banned to YW drivers due to the tight nature of the turn.
NX have been quite lucky then, the thief could have easily have taken out some parked cars etc with it
BCT liveried 4722 is out on the 35
If its not too delicate a question which E bus was involved please? I went to solihull
on business on Wdnesday (15th) using the 6 and the only E buses unseen (on the day) were:
01 03 012 016 and 019
Quote from: windy miller on July 19, 2020, 05:18:23 PM
If its not too delicate a question which E bus was involved please? I went to solihull
on business on Wdnesday (15th) using the 6 and the only E buses unseen (on the day) were:
01 03 012 and 019
It was E016 and that hasn't been in service all week
Incidentally if you know how to steal a Rail locomotive it wouln't be the first
time its been done! back in the early 70's a former rail apprentice at Derby took a class
40 'Peak' locomotive on a joyride from Derby depot on christmas day. He drove the loco
for several miles at 25-30 MPH down the Midland main line before he was caught. :o
Quote from: Tony on July 19, 2020, 05:23:09 PM
It was E016 and that hasn't been in service all week
thanks for the info tony
I had already seen 16 the previous week my mistake
A class 40 was not a peak, they were 44,45,46
There was a 45** Trident on the 27E to Weoley castle, it then ran back to Northfield.
I presume it was a "sweeper" bus since all double deckers are supposed to be banned from the 27
Quote from: mesub on July 20, 2020, 08:26:35 PM
There was a 45** Trident on the 27E to Weoley castle, it then ran back to Northfield.
I presume it was a "sweeper" bus since all double deckers are supposed to be banned from the 27
There's two allocated boards every day
Quote from: Tony on July 20, 2020, 08:50:14 PM
There's two allocated boards every day
Is there a shortage of single deckers?
Quote from: mesub on July 21, 2020, 04:51:30 PM
Is there a shortage of single deckers?
Nothing to do with shortage of single deckers, the double deckers are on 27E's for social distance purposes.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on July 21, 2020, 05:26:20 PM
Nothing to do with shortage of single deckers, the double deckers are on 27E's for social distance purposes.
Ah makes sense, thank you.
Does anyone know what's happened to E017 as I not seen it since the 8th july
Quote from: Nathan Rhys Leon on July 23, 2020, 08:15:02 PM
Does anyone know what's happened to E017 as I not seen it since the 8th july
Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean anything has happened to it.
It completed running board 6-01 today from 04:00 until 16:00 and has been out almost every day
Quote from: Steve3229vp on July 21, 2020, 05:26:20 PM
Nothing to do with shortage of single deckers, the double deckers are on 27E's for social distance purposes.
Have to say, it's good to see Tridents on Shenley Lane again.
I wasn't aware that a YW 27E existed before this week and saw another one parked up in Northfield this afternoon.
Does anyone have any further information about when/where they operate and why as they don't appear on the timetables I have looked at.
Thanks
27e runs northfield weoely castle. Using deckers
As I work shifts, I often see the 801 and 802 driving around. I've never once seen a passenger on them and I was wondering what there purpose was. Are they a commercial venture because they must be working considering it's been around 4 years since they launched them. Also why are they not displayed on any bus stops or network west midlands maps. I still don't get it.
Quote from: bususer28 on August 07, 2020, 12:38:24 PM
As I work shifts, I often see the 801 and 802 driving around. I've never once seen a passenger on them and I was wondering what there purpose was. Are they a commercial venture because they must be working considering it's been around 4 years since they launched them. Also why are they not displayed on any bus stops or network west midlands maps. I still don't get it.
It is the Yardley Wood Staff bus. It takes Yardley Wood Staff into work. It is registered so available to the public, but that is not the point of it.
Quote from: Tony on August 07, 2020, 12:57:29 PM
It is the Yardley Wood Staff bus. It takes Yardley Wood Staff into work. It is registered so available to the public, but that is not the point of it.
It operates in the early mornings though. There's no bus services that run at that time from YW right?
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 07, 2020, 03:15:09 PM
It operates in the early mornings though.
Yes that's the point
Quote from: bususer28 on August 07, 2020, 12:38:24 PM
Also why are they not displayed on any bus stops or network west midlands maps. I still don't get it.
Schools and works services generally aren't.
Quote from: bususer28 on August 07, 2020, 12:38:24 PM
As I work shifts, I often see the 801 and 802 driving around.
Just out of interest, what types of buses do you see? :P
Quote from: Tony on August 07, 2020, 12:57:29 PM
It is the Yardley Wood Staff bus. It takes Yardley Wood Staff into work. It is registered so available to the public, but that is not the point of it.
That would make sense, my confusion is over! :)
Quote from: mesub on August 07, 2020, 07:31:15 PM
Just out of interest, what types of buses do you see? :P
I normally see either the e200mmc or the omnilinks. Never seen a double decker on it though.
Quote from: Tony on July 19, 2020, 05:23:09 PM
It was E016 and that hasn't been in service all week
Has this bus been repaired and put back into service?
I'm pretty certain that I saw it last week, but I couldn't remember if it was E006 or E016 that was damaged, and now that I saw E006 today I can't remember which one I saw last week.
Quote from: ellspurs on August 10, 2020, 03:01:35 PM
Has this bus been repaired and put back into service?
I'm pretty certain that I saw it last week, but I couldn't remember if it was E006 or E016 that was damaged, and now that I saw E006 today I can't remember which one I saw last week.
Yes E016, been back at YW over a week
Quote from: Tony on August 10, 2020, 03:04:53 PM
Yes E016, been back at YW over a week
Thanks, Tony.
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/changes-to-bus-services-in-northfield-area-from-30th-august-2020
The new 27, 49 and 76 will be:
27 - Maypole - Yardley Wood - Kings Heath - Bournville - Northfield - Frankley - Longbridge (running every 20 minutes Monday to Saturday daytimes)
49 - Solihull - Shirley - Maypole - Pool Farm - Kings Norton - West Heath - Longbridge - Rubery Great Park (running every 15 minutes Monday to Saturday daytimes)
76 - Solihull - Shirley - Yardley Wood - Kings Heath - Selly Park - QE Hospital - Harborne - Weoley Castle - Northfield (running every 20 minutes Monday to Saturday daytimes)
What route will the 76 take between the QE Hospital and California/Barnes Hill?
Quote from: 2206 on August 13, 2020, 03:10:24 PM
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/changes-to-bus-services-in-northfield-area-from-30th-august-2020
The new 27, 49 and 76 will be:
27 - Maypole - Yardley Wood - Kings Heath - Bournville - Northfield - Frankley - Longbridge (running every 20 minutes Monday to Saturday daytimes)
49 - Solihull - Shirley - Maypole - Pool Farm - Kings Norton - West Heath - Longbridge - Rubery Great Park (running every 15 minutes Monday to Saturday daytimes)
76 - Solihull - Shirley - Yardley Wood - Kings Heath - Selly Park - QE Hospital - Harborne - Weoley Castle - Northfield (running every 20 minutes Monday to Saturday daytimes)
What route will the 76 take between the QE Hospital and California/Barnes Hill?
The 76 will very likely go via Harborne Park Road and Quinton Road.I wonder how long it's going to take for someone to say "bring back the 29" - YAWN!
At first glance at these changes I first thought why not just shorten to 27 to terminate at Northfield and leave the 49 alone!
But looking at it again it all makes sense, the reason why the 27 is extended to Longbridge is so the same amount of single deckers are still being used (in other words the PVR on the 27 will be the same as now). This highlights a problem for NX as they have still too many single deckers, unfortunately they have to go somewhere and most of them have years more service ahead for them.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 13, 2020, 03:59:15 PM
The 76 will very likely go via Harborne Park Road and Quinton Road.
I would expect that it would use Harborne Park Road and Quinton Road towards Northfield/from Harborne.
What I was wandering is whether from Solihull/Towards Harborne whether it'd go the way the 19 goes via Mindelsohn Way/Metchley Lane or the way the 48 goes past the Uni Station?
Be interesting to see whether the 27/49 take the same route between Longbridge and Rubery (i.e. along the Bristol Rd) or whether one of them will serve Rednal.
Thats the reliability of the 76 messed up. I wonder how long it'll take before it gets changed again!
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 13, 2020, 03:59:15 PM
The 76 will very likely go via Harborne Park Road and Quinton Road.
I wonder how long it's going to take for someone to say "bring back the 29" - YAWN!
At first glance at these changes I first thought why not just shorten to 27 to terminate at Northfield and leave the 49 alone!
But looking at it again it all makes sense, the reason why the 27 is extended to Longbridge is so the same amount of single deckers are still being used (in other words the PVR on the 27 will be the same as now). This highlights a problem for NX as they have still too many single deckers, unfortunately they have to go somewhere and most of them have years more service ahead for them.
You can say
yawn all you want, but it's true. Wouldn't have to mess about with 3 routes like this to get deckers between Northfield and Harborne if they'd just kept the 29.
The 27 has been farcical enough, replacing it with the 76 is beyond a joke let's be honest here.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 13, 2020, 05:06:58 PM
You can say yawn all you want, but it's true. Wouldn't have to fuck about with 3 routes like this to get deckers between Northfield and Harborne if they'd just kept the 29.
The 27 has been farcical enough, replacing it with the 76 is beyond a joke let's be honest here.
First of all keep your swearing to yourself, a forum like this has no place for it.
Secondly, I'd have a 26 from City to Northfield but running direct via War Lane to Barnes Hill instead of Quinton Road which would be quicker than the old 29.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 13, 2020, 05:17:12 PM
First of all keep your swearing to yourself, a forum like this has no place for it.
Secondly, I'd have a 26 from City to Northfield but running direct via War Lane to Barnes Hill instead of Quinton Road which would be quicker than the old 29.
Fine, I've changed the wording. Just annoys me a bit when people get flippant about things they know nothing about.
Well, that 26 idea isn't going to happen to that's not really relevant.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 13, 2020, 05:22:43 PM
Fine, I've changed the wording. Just annoys me a bit when people get flippant about things they know nothing about.
Well, that 26 idea isn't going to happen to that's not really relevant.
And can I ask if you are an expert in bus scheduling?
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2020, 05:41:25 PM
And can I ask if you are an expert in bus scheduling?
Can I ask where I'd claimed to be?
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 13, 2020, 05:44:39 PM
Can I ask where I'd claimed to be?
This is your quote
"Just annoys me a bit when people get flippant about things they know nothing about."
Yes you critisise NXWM commercial team
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 13, 2020, 03:59:15 PM
The 76 will very likely go via Harborne Park Road and Quinton Road.
I wonder how long it's going to take for someone to say "bring back the 29" - YAWN!
At first glance at these changes I first thought why not just shorten to 27 to terminate at Northfield and leave the 49 alone!
But looking at it again it all makes sense, the reason why the 27 is extended to Longbridge is so the same amount of single deckers are still being used (in other words the PVR on the 27 will be the same as now). This highlights a problem for NX as they have still too many single deckers, unfortunately they have to go somewhere and most of them have years more service ahead for them.
To be perfectly honest, I really like the sound of the idea. Double deckers are definitely needed between Weoley Castle and Northfield and the section between Frankley and Northfield isn't too busy. My only concern is that reliability might flop a bit. The phrasing of it also makes it sound like a temporary measure, or a measure that will only be in place until the social distancing rules change. Only time will tell.
The imminent change to the 27 beyond Northfield was put forward as part of the consultation regarding the South Bham review in 2018 with a linked proposal to cut back the 49 to Longbridge so the changes have a history to them.
A small, personal point but I do hope that the old 41 terminus gets used for the 27, it'd be nice to see buses parked up there once more.
Quote from: bususer28 on August 13, 2020, 06:58:12 PM
To be perfectly honest, I really like the sound of the idea. Double deckers are definitely needed between Weoley Castle and Northfield and the section between Frankley and Northfield isn't too busy. My only concern is that reliability might flop a bit. The phrasing of it also makes it sound like a temporary measure, or a measure that will only be in place until the social distancing rules change. Only time will tell.
You're right, it does sound like it's a temporary thing, but long term I would shorten the 27 to Northfield and bring in a new service to replace the 27 between Harborne and Northfield and even send it to Hawkesley (although the 48 does provide that link so wouldn't be needed).
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 13, 2020, 08:04:28 PM
You're right, it does sound like it's a temporary thing, but long term I would shorten the 27 to Northfield and bring in a new service to replace the 27 between Harborne and Northfield and even send it to Hawkesley (although the 48 does provide that link so wouldn't be needed).
That's what the extended 76 is presumably going to do.
Quote from: Stu on August 13, 2020, 08:16:23 PM
That's what the extended 76 is presumably going to do.
Ok. But wouldn't a link from Birmingham to Northfield via the current 27 route be more beneficial?
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 13, 2020, 08:36:31 PM
Ok. But wouldn't a link from Birmingham to Northfield via the current 27 route be more beneficial?
To whom?
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 13, 2020, 08:48:44 PM
To anyone.
From where to where would passengers find that a useful link that isn't currently provided.
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2020, 08:52:41 PM
From where to where would passengers find that a useful link that isn't currently provided.
The City Centre to Weoley Castle/Shenley Fields.
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 13, 2020, 08:53:30 PM
The City Centre to Weoley Castle.
The X21?
And I had a look at the map of the 27 route and it serves the same roads as the X21 in that area. Beckbury Road, Weoley Castle Road and Gregory Avenue.
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 13, 2020, 08:36:31 PM
Ok. But wouldn't a link from Birmingham to Northfield via the current 27 route be more beneficial?
Yes.
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 13, 2020, 08:36:31 PM
Ok. But wouldn't a link from Birmingham to Northfield via the current 27 route be more beneficial?
That would basically be the 29. Different people say different things about the 29 so I think the current idea works well.
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 13, 2020, 08:36:31 PM
Ok. But wouldn't a link from Birmingham to Northfield via the current 27 route be more beneficial?
Making the 27 even longer? Yeah, I don't think that would be a good idea
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 13, 2020, 11:45:38 PM
Making the 27 even longer? Yeah, I don't think that would be a good idea
I meant making a new route that goes from Birmingham to Northfield following the 23/24 to Harborne and then going from there to Northfield via the current 27 route. It doesn't have to be the 27. Although with the recent changes, maybe it isn't needed.
The new timetables are up.
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/changes-to-bus-services-in-northfield-area-from-30th-august-2020
It's going to be interesting with the route learning for the new 76 anyway, as the current diversion on the 27 in Weoley Castle will still be in place come the changes.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 14, 2020, 07:26:11 PM
It's going to be interesting with the route learning for the new 76 anyway, as the current diversion on the 27 in Weoley Castle will still be in place come the changes.
I'd imagine most drivers at YW will be familiar with the route already, those who drive on all routes anyway.
Quote from: Stu on August 14, 2020, 07:49:00 PM
I'd imagine most drivers at YW will be familiar with the route already, those who drive on all routes anyway.
There are drivers that drive on more than one route?
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 14, 2020, 08:05:09 PM
There are drivers that drive on more than one route?
Yes, nearly all 5000 of them
The drivers on the Kings Norton rota do the 49/76 so will need some sort of route learning, the Pool Farm rota does the 27/35. Only the spare drivers at YW and some of the braver ones know all the routes and drive them regularly for overtime.
Great to see a best possible fit co-ordination between the 76 & 27 on Chinn Brook Road and Hollybank Road to and from Kings Heath after seemingly years of the two services near enough following each each other followed by a close to 20 min gap (particularly obvious back when the 27 ran to Hawkesley). From the end of the month Mon-Sat daytime will offer a 12+8 to KH & 8+12 from KH interval (ie best overall fit given alternative would be 10+10 & 6+14) and Sun daytime offers a nice 16+14 & 14+16 interval. Well done NXWM scheduling team.
Quote from: SO6597 on August 14, 2020, 02:46:17 PM
The new timetables are up.
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/changes-to-bus-services-in-northfield-area-from-30th-august-2020
Before anyone bites my head off, this is just a thought but could the 18 not have been extended to Harborne instead of an already lengthy 76? Or even an 18A introduced that turned right at the traffic lights in Northfield when coming from Yardley Wood to go straight down Shenley Lane then towards Harborne?
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 20, 2020, 03:42:53 PM
Before anyone bites my head off, this is just a thought but could the 18 not have been extended to Harborne instead of an already lengthy 76? Or even an 18A introduced that turned right at the traffic lights in Northfield when coming from Yardley Wood to go straight down Shenley Lane then towards Harborne?
How do you extend a route from somewhere it doesn't terminate?
Quote from: Tony on August 20, 2020, 04:04:16 PM
How do you extend a route from somewhere it doesn't terminate?
No, extend the 18 from Bartley Green, or have an 18A that goes from Northfield to Harborne instead of Bartley Green.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 20, 2020, 04:33:32 PM
No, extend the 18 from Bartley Green, or have an 18A that goes from Northfield to Harborne instead of Bartley Green.
Then it wouldn't cover the 27 route or you would reduce the service on a very busy section of the 18
Quote from: Tony on August 20, 2020, 04:55:20 PM
Then it wouldn't cover the 27 route or you would reduce the service on a very busy section of the 18
Then perhaps if the 18 was extended to Harborne from Bartley Green you could reroute the X21 to terminate on Shenley Lane to replace the 27. As the 18 would have to go through Woodcock Hill anyway to get to Weoley Castle / Harborne.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 20, 2020, 05:02:18 PM
Then perhaps if the 18 was extended to Harborne from Bartley Green you could reroute the X21 to terminate on Shenley Lane to replace the 27. As the 18 would have to go through Woodcock Hill anyway to get to Weoley Castle / Harborne.
And cost extra buses
Quote from: Tony on August 20, 2020, 05:09:44 PM
And cost extra buses
And incur the wrath of people over changing the 18 route.
Quote from: Tony on August 20, 2020, 05:09:44 PM
And cost extra buses
How? The extended 18 could've used the extra buses needed for the extended 76, and the X21 would take about the same time on Shenley Lane as it does getting to Woodcock Lane
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 20, 2020, 05:16:57 PM
How? The extended 18 could've used the extra buses needed for the extended 76, and the X21 would take about the same time on Shenley Lane as it does getting to Woodcock Lane
So Woodcock Lane doesn't deserve a bus service to Birmingham?
Quote from: Tony on August 20, 2020, 05:37:46 PM
So Woodcock Lane doesn't deserve a bus service to Birmingham?
Not sure what deserving has anything to do with it, but they could get the 18 and then a connecting bus.
Quote from: bususer28 on August 31, 2020, 10:43:52 PM
E0??- 2(YW)
Do tridents still appear on the 2 & 3 on Sundays?
I saw the platinums on the 3 yesterday
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 31, 2020, 10:47:27 PM
Do tridents still appear on the 2 & 3 on Sundays?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 31, 2020, 11:12:41 PM
I saw the platinums on the 3 yesterday
Yes, Tridents will still appear on the 2 and 3 on Sundays, however if there are spare Platinums available they will be used instead (being more fuel-efficient and all that).
Tony did confirm a while back that any spare E400EVs may get a run out on those services on a Sunday.
Quote from: Stu on September 01, 2020, 07:25:30 PM
Tony did confirm a while back that any spare E400EVs may get a run out on those services on a Sunday.
So it wouldn't be classed as a noteworthy working because it seems like Tony removed my post off the list when I posted it yesterday.
Any idea where the loaned buses from WB are being used?
Nice of the 13:40 76 from Northfield to just skip out the first stop leaving a load of passengers behind.
Quote from: darthdc on September 02, 2020, 12:51:54 PM
Any idea where the loaned buses from WB are being used?
1940 was on the 49 (Short) from Solihull Station to Cotteridge this afternoon.
There used to be an always Omnilink operated 49E at around 16:00 pre COVID, so presumably the same one.
Does anyone know whether the YW 72 still operates, as I didn't see that one this afternoon?
Quote from: darthdc on September 02, 2020, 12:51:54 PM
Any idea where the loaned buses from WB are being used?
The 27? ::)
Quote from: Stu on September 02, 2020, 06:38:46 PM
The 27? ::)
They are Scanias, YW won't differentiate between their own and the loans
I was in Kings Heath today, and all those on the 27 were the regulars (1919 - 24)
Quote from: darthdc on September 02, 2020, 07:44:28 PM
I was in Kings Heath today, and all those on the 27 were the regulars (1919 - 24)
Presumably because they are being allocated to any Scania board. As 1940 was on the Scania 49 board.
Quote from: 2206 on September 02, 2020, 07:51:33 PM
Presumably because they are being allocated to any Scania board. As 1940 was on the Scania 49 board.
1951 is on running board 27-04 today and will be until midnight
You could probably say I'm a bit selfish and I understand the challenges however I'm slightly concerned as to how many scanias are moving back to YW and I'm worried it'll be like when the e200s ran on the 18 in early autumn last year (I commute on it daily) - rammed buses that had to avoid stops and that'll be even worse now with social distancing.
Quote from: bususer28 on October 03, 2020, 07:11:15 PM
You could probably say I'm a bit selfish and I understand the challenges however I'm slightly concerned as to how many scanias are moving back to YW and I'm worried it'll be like when the e200s ran on the 18 in early autumn last year (I commute on it daily) - rammed buses that had to avoid stops and that'll be even worse now with social distancing.
I have similar concerns myself, as a regular use of the 2 and 3, they tried single decks on those routes last year, and it didn't quite work. Just a few weeks ago I probably wouldn't have had a problem, but lately they are both getting busy again, especially during the peaks.
Single decks could work if a higher frequency introduced.
Worked fine on 2 12 35 with Lynxs later B10ls from 1989-2010.
Quote from: PB2938 on October 03, 2020, 08:28:27 PM
Single decks could work if a higher frequency introduced.
Worked fine on 2 12 35 with Lynxs later B10ls from 1989-2010.
When the Lynxes were on the 2 and 12 their peak frequecies were at least every 7-8 mins, not like every 20 minutes as it is now, They would need to be at least every 15 minutes each if single deckers were introduced.
Yes that's my point any route converted to single deck needs
A frequency increase to work.
I remember 2/12 both every 10 minutes joint frequency of 5.
So this evening, I'm waiting for the 3 that arrives just before 6:20pm at Auckland Road, it was showing as a 3 to Yardley Wood on the app and arrived right on time. But it had '2 Warstock' on the front display.
I did wonder if the driver had put up the wrong destination by mistake, so I was a bit cautious when I pressed the bell to alight at the Billesley Common stop, just in case he carried on round the corner onto Trittiford Road - in which case I'd have stayed on to the next stop, and politely point out he had the wrong display. But no, he did stop at the right stop and then continued on down Yardley Wood Road. As I was stood at the front waiting to get off, I did notice that the Init screen was showing the service as '3 to Yardley Wood, Slade Lane' and it was 'On Time'.
Very curious, didn't look like any journeys were running particularly late, unless they were and this adjustment was so the driver could finish their shift at the depot. Wasn't a massive inconvenience to me to be honest, as I don't mind the 5 minute walk down Trittiford Road to get home.
Quote from: Stu on December 09, 2020, 07:05:10 PM
So this evening, I'm waiting for the 3 that arrives just before 6:20pm at Auckland Road, it was showing as a 3 to Yardley Wood on the app and arrived right on time. But it had '2 Warstock' on the front display.
I did wonder if the driver had put up the wrong destination by mistake, so I was a bit cautious when I pressed the bell to alight at the Billesley Common stop, just in case he carried on round the corner onto Trittiford Road - in which case I'd have stayed on to the next stop, and politely point out he had the wrong display. But no, he did stop at the right stop and then continued on down Yardley Wood Road. As I was stood at the front waiting to get off, I did notice that the Init screen was showing the service as '3 to Yardley Wood, Slade Lane' and it was 'On Time'.
Very curious, didn't look like any journeys were running particularly late, unless they were and this adjustment was so the driver could finish their shift at the depot. Wasn't a massive inconvenience to me to be honest, as I don't mind the 5 minute walk down Trittiford Road to get home.
Sounds like he changed the ticket machine for the current journey but forgot to change blinds (assuming both routes interwork)
Seen a very odd sighting. A electric at Acocks Green. A 6 branded electric came out of AG and was heading for YW. unsure what specific bus it was.
I went to do my shopping at the new Aldi at Tunnel Road in Kings Norton and noticed that there was a bus stop bay outside so I was wondering as to whether there was any intention to extend the 35 or divert the 49 to serve it.
Quote from: bususer28 on January 17, 2021, 03:12:02 PM
I went to do my shopping at the new Aldi at Tunnel Road in Kings Norton and noticed that there was a bus stop bay outside so I was wondering as to whether there was any intention to extend the 35 or divert the 49 to serve it.
Unlikely, that bus stop bay is more likely for Ring And Ride pickup/dropoff I would have thought.
Quote from: Jack6101 on February 21, 2021, 09:25:10 AM
Does anyone know why 4383,4384 are on there way to PN right now , also 4385 and 4387 and pos anther 1 have gone to PN yesterday this info is on bus times ? Transfer ?or withdrawn ?
If all we are going to get on this forum is 'Bus Times' 'Bus Times' 'Bus Times' Then I will close it down. It got boring with K2 and his maps, hence why I stopped that.
100 people watching maps all day then querying every bus movement will annoy everyone.
Yes 4 YW 43xx have been withdrawn
Bus times says 76 is to be rerouted via Selly Oak in April.
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/565
Quote from: 2206 on March 08, 2021, 11:09:07 PM
Bus times says 76 is to be rerouted via Selly Oak in April.
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/565
I wonder whether it will revert back to its old Chapel Lane route now that it can travel in both directions? There are bus stops there but without flags. Alternatively, will it use the new bus gate from Harborne Lane onto the Bristol Rd?
On the same list, there's an update for the 11A/C to be rerouted in Selly Oak as well.
Quote from: 2206 on March 08, 2021, 11:09:07 PM
Bus times says 76 is to be rerouted via Selly Oak in April.
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/565
Technically the 76 already does go 'via Selly Oak', so what it probably means is that the route will be revised in Selly Oak.
I'd also send the 76 down Harborne Lane (the way the 11 goes towards Harborne Park Road) and up Metchley Lane to the QE hospital to provide better links to Harborne High Street for Resorvoir Road residents. The 48 could also run that route into the QE hospital too.
The 76 running like this would also do a full circle of Harborne as it also returns down Harborne Park Road to get onto Quinton road.
Looks like 4321 is now withdrawn, sitting in the garage with mirrors and other bits taken off.
Quote from: filbus1 on March 29, 2021, 11:11:20 AM
Looks like 4321 is now withdrawn, sitting in the garage with mirrors and other bits taken off.
No it isn't withdrawn. It's just waiting for a replacement gearbox to arrive from Miller Street
Quote from: Tony on March 29, 2021, 11:16:35 AM
No it isn't withdrawn. It's just waiting for a replacement gearbox to arrive from Miller Street
Thought it was a bit sudden as people were saying how well it was performing.
Quote from: samuel derrington on June 16, 2021, 04:15:28 PM
4809 / 2 and 3
@samuel derrington although its an on-loan vehicle, E400s do commonly appear on the 2 and 3, so not really noteworthy.
@Tony will probably clarify for me but I guess these routes will use any YW vehicle apart from Tridents, with Omnilinks now appearing to be the 'usual' allocation.
Quote from: Stu on June 16, 2021, 06:33:22 PM
@samuel derrington although its an on-loan vehicle, E400s do commonly appear on the 2 and 3, so not really noteworthy.
@Tony will probably clarify for me but I guess these routes will use any YW vehicle apart from Tridents, with Omnilinks now appearing to be the 'usual' allocation.
Yes, Omnilinks are the allocated vehicle, but any spare E400 or E400MMC will be used where available
I wonder how the 2/3 are coping being predominantly operated by omnilinks.
That corridor hasn't been mostly singles since the 3/A days with the B10Ls
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 16, 2021, 08:23:03 PM
I wonder how the 2/3 are coping being predominantly operated by omnilinks.
That corridor hasn't been mostly singles since the 3/A days with the B10Ls
It has had a spell with Scanias before.
It copes easily towards city, only problem comes when there are gaps in the 6 service outbound
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 16, 2021, 08:23:03 PM
I wonder how the 2/3 are coping being predominantly operated by omnilinks.
That corridor hasn't been mostly singles since the 3/A days with the B10Ls
Quote from: Tony on June 16, 2021, 08:45:46 PM
It has had a spell with Scanias before.
It copes easily towards city, only problem comes when there are gaps in the 6 service outbound
As someone who relies on the 2/3 to get to/from work, I mostly agree with Tony, there are a couple of inbound morning peak journeys that do get busy - notably the 3 that departs Slade Lane at 8:05 which usually has a load of Swanshurst school girls on, but they all get off at the next stop after I board. Prior to the 17th June changes, if this vehicle was a single-deck, it would show 'Bus Full' and would pass by, which used to be a bit annoying, so I started walking up to Yardley Wood Road to get that journey, knowing it would be half-empty at that stop.
And generally for the outbound journey in the evening, it can be hit or miss, there was one frustrating experience last week I think where I waited nearly half an hour, because a 3, then a 2, and then another 3 all sailed past 'Bus Full' from Auckland Road in Sparkbrook, because as Tony stated there seemed to be a couple of 6s missing or delayed.
But I do think those routes cope quite well with single decks during the off-peaks.
4383 passed its MoT today and is now taxed so is available for service tomorrow after being reinstated from the dead lines at Pensnett
@bbs, E400's aren't noteworthy on the 6 or 50...
Quote from: Jack on July 15, 2021, 10:53:36 AM
@bbs, E400's aren't noteworthy on the 6 or 50...
oh sorry
@bbs, again like I said theres nothing noteworthy about 4728 on the 6. Neither really were the Omnilinks when there was Electrics (on the 2 and 50) and Platinums on the 2...
Quote from: Jack on July 20, 2021, 09:45:40 PM
@bbs, again like I said theres nothing noteworthy about 4728 on the 6. Neither really were the Omnilinks when there was Electrics (on the 2 and 50) and Platinums on the 2...
The Omnilinks have been popping up all over the place. Presumably to ensure the 2/3 gets a couple of deckers per day
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 20, 2021, 09:55:56 PM
The Omnilinks have been popping up all over the place. Presumably to ensure the 2/3 gets a couple of deckers per day
I think its a shortage of Compliant Deckers, considering they've been putting E400's on the 49 and been putting Tridents on the 50 which has happened a few times now since the start of June.
I apologise for my lack of knowledge since I haven't caught up much on what's going on.
I've heard a few things about compliant and non-compliant buses entering the city centre, I thought all the buses that received the adblue traps a few years ago were considered compliant. What has changed that makes some of these buses no longer compliant?
Quote from: Ronnoc on July 25, 2021, 06:31:55 PM
I apologise for my lack of knowledge since I haven't caught up much on what's going on.
I've heard a few things about compliant and non-compliant buses entering the city centre, I thought all the buses that received the adblue traps a few years ago were considered compliant. What has changed that makes some of these buses no longer compliant?
I tried to find the original post here, but couldn't, so if I'm wrong about this I'm happy to be corrected by
@Tony I seem to recall something being said, that the exhaust traps that NX Bus bought were 'certified' as Euro6 standard, however there was some problem with the supplier of these traps, and as a result of this, the equipment was no longer certified as Euro6 standard, but the traps did reduce emissions somewhat, maybe only as far as Euro5 standard.
That's the vague recollection I have, and I'm happy to be corrected, but as far as I believe, that is why a large number of supposedly 'upgraded' vehicles do not meet the Birmingham CAZ requirements.
Quote from: Ronnoc on July 25, 2021, 06:31:55 PM
I apologise for my lack of knowledge since I haven't caught up much on what's going on.
I've heard a few things about compliant and non-compliant buses entering the city centre, I thought all the buses that received the adblue traps a few years ago were considered compliant. What has changed that makes some of these buses no longer compliant?
The company called Green Urban that fitted the early traps lost their government accreditation meaning buses fitted with their exhaust systems no longer qualify as 'euro 6' buses
I must have missed this one, but does anyone know when the 27 changed route in Kings Heath?
I only noticed today while out and about that this now follows the 76 route between Vicarage Road and Hollybank Road, no longer serving Barn Lane and Addison Road.
Quote from: Stu on August 08, 2021, 08:05:32 PM
I must have missed this one, but does anyone know when the 27 changed route in Kings Heath?
I only noticed today while out and about that this now follows the 76 route between Vicarage Road and Hollybank Road, no longer serving Barn Lane and Addison Road.
Fairly recently - I think it was late May/early June?
Quote from: Stu on August 08, 2021, 08:05:32 PM
I must have missed this one, but does anyone know when the 27 changed route in Kings Heath?
I only noticed today while out and about that this now follows the 76 route between Vicarage Road and Hollybank Road, no longer serving Barn Lane and Addison Road.
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/534
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/495
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/565
I remember there being a service change involving the 27/76/49 (or maybe the 35) having things swapped and changed between each other, but I'm sure it happened after that as I remember it being discussed here. The 76 registration suggests April '21.
Hollybank Road is closed next week so they'll be on diversion as well!
Quote from: SO6597 on August 08, 2021, 08:09:53 PM
Fairly recently - I think it was late May/early June?
Thanks, I must have missed that update somehow! I haven't done much travelling on buses, apart from going to and from work, for some time so haven't been on the 27 or 76 for months.
Quote from: ellspurs on August 08, 2021, 08:15:24 PM
I remember there being a service change involving the 27/76/49 (or maybe the 35) having things swapped and changed between each other, but I'm sure it happened after that as I remember it being discussed here. The 76 registration suggests April '21.
Hollybank Road is closed next week so they'll be on diversion as well!
The 76 hasn't changed round here, still the same route. But still, it was a nice alternative route home from Harborne this evening.
Quote from: Stu on August 31, 2021, 08:39:12 PM
Twas a bit of a novelty to have 4578 as my ride home on the 3 this evening. 8)
4583 was also on it earlier today.
Is 4606 allowed on the City services or will it stick to the 18/49/76?
Quote from: Jack on August 31, 2021, 10:07:31 PM
Is 4606 allowed on the City services or will it stick to the 18/49/76?
According to the CAZ checker, 4606 would not be charged to enter the CAZ.
https://vehiclecheck.drive-clean-air-zone.service.gov.uk/vehicle_checkers/enter_details
Are all operators now required to use vehicles with an emission standard Euro 6 or better, if they wish to use any of the stops within the Solihull AQPS zone?
If that is the case, how can YW 43xx and 45xx Tridents be permitted to work services 49 and 76? Were some these buses fitted with Green Urban traps – which have since lost their accreditation to qualify as "Euro 6" compliant vehicle? If so how can they still qualify for Solihull AQPS?
I can't find any documentation that mention delays/changes implementing the Solihull AQPS Euro 6 deadline (3rd Jan 2021)
Quote from: wulfrun on September 02, 2021, 08:50:24 PM
Are all operators now required to use vehicles with an emission standard Euro 6 or better, if they wish to use any of the stops within the Solihull AQPS zone?
If that is the case, how can YW 43xx and 45xx Tridents be permitted to work services 49 and 76? Were some these buses fitted with Green Urban traps – which have since lost their accreditation to qualify as "Euro 6" compliant vehicle? If so how can they still qualify for Solihull AQPS?
I can't find any documentation that mention delays/changes implementing the Solihull AQPS Euro 6 deadline (3rd Jan 2021)
I was confused about that too. Same goes for the B7s on the AG routes.
2165 seems to have visited Yardley wood garage.
seems to have visited Yardley Wood how do you know that?
Quote from: cris 99 on September 07, 2021, 04:45:50 PM
seems to have visited Yardley Wood how do you know that?
By watching the map on bustimes
Quote from: bbs on October 15, 2021, 09:25:40 PM
Might be wrong about this bus
EO14 - 2/3
@bbs E
014, not E
O14 ;)
The electric bus fleet numbers are E followed by three numeric digits.
I don't think these are particularly noteworthy on the 2 or 3 any more, as there seems to be at least one or two used on these services daily. We're back to a point now where the OmniLinks seem to be more noteworthy!
Quote from: Stu on October 16, 2021, 05:35:11 PM
@bbs E014, not EO14 ;)
The electric bus fleet numbers are E followed by three numeric digits.
I don't think these are particularly noteworthy on the 2 or 3 any more, as there seems to be at least one or two used on these services daily. We're back to a point now where the OmniLinks seem to be more noteworthy!
Am sorry i didnt know
Is E005 under repair, not seen it in service for a while (19 October according to bus times)
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 09, 2021, 11:35:00 AM
Is it just me, or is there a shortage of deckers in the NXWM fleet?
The 12s and 13s can get rammed during peak time but both routes are overran with B7RLEs
The 80 sees more Omnilinks these days
Similar thing is happening with the 18 and the omnilinks- first time since the enviro 200s were on there constantly maybe 2 years back.
Looks like E011 has returned to the West Midlands.. without its wrap (not my photo)
https://twitter.com/simonlangley17/status/1473061495001034758?s=21
Quote from: CL on December 21, 2021, 07:13:44 AM
Looks like E011 has returned to the West Midlands.. without its wrap (not my photo)
https://twitter.com/simonlangley17/status/1473061495001034758?s=21
did it go in service just like that
@John Stait their not noteworthy on the 6 it happens every night when electrics go back to depot
I suspected it might be, but thought they'd use E400MMCs on there when available.
Quote from: John Stait on January 13, 2022, 04:09:16 PM
I suspected it might be, but thought they'd use E400MMCs on there when available.
You thought right - E400 MMCs are the norm for late nights on the 6.
Quote from: Justin Tyme on January 13, 2022, 04:42:48 PM
You thought right - E400 MMCs are the norm for late nights on the 6.
Not exactly, they do use E400's as well when the Electrics come off, 4923 is out on it right now...
From my own experience and observations, it is fairly unusual to see anything other than a BYD EV or E400MMC on the 6.
Then again there were 3 EVs on the 2 and 3 yesterday for most of the day, and the MMCs are becoming more common again on those routes, so its probably not a surprise if the only available buses left in garage to go out for the evening 6 trips are E400s.
I remember someone telling me that Yardley Wood does a return trip on the 72 (Solihull to Chelmsley Wood), does anyone know if this still happens? If so does anyone know what time it runs?
Quote from: GoldenSquid on January 13, 2022, 09:02:40 PM
I remember someone telling me that Yardley Wood does a return trip on the 72 (Solihull to Chelmsley Wood), does anyone know if this still happens? If so does anyone know what time it runs?
Not since March 2020.
When it ran it used to see E400 (including 35 branded ones) and Tridents and came of a YW School route. Used to be about 15:50 from Solihull Station.
Just wanted someone's opinion on what happened today.
I was waiting for the 18 at the Jiggins Lane bus stop. I saw a bus go up towards Bartley Green only for it to later go down Field Lane (not on its route)- no problem. I then get on a bus and notice that the same bus that had been not in service was now running the 18 and arrived at my stop just behind me. I have checked and it isn't timetabled to skip out the first few stops in Bartley Green so I was just wondering if drivers are allowed to do that.
Quote from: bususer28 on March 21, 2022, 09:20:24 PM
Just wanted someone's opinion on what happened today.
I was waiting for the 18 at the Jiggins Lane bus stop. I saw a bus go up towards Bartley Green only for it to later go down Field Lane (not on its route)- no problem. I then get on a bus and notice that the same bus that had been not in service was now running the 18 and arrived at my stop just behind me. I have checked and it isn't timetabled to skip out the first few stops in Bartley Green so I was just wondering if drivers are allowed to do that.
control would of told the driver run so far not on service then start to get back on track if running lste
Quote from: Solo1 on March 22, 2022, 06:35:07 AM
control would of told the driver run so far not on service then start to get back on track if running lste
Makes sense, thank you!
Seeing as the 27 is being reduced to half-hourly from 24th April, I presume this means that the 20 will also be reduced to half-hourly too?
Unless the plan is to have the 20 operating as a standalone non-interworked service?
Quote from: Stu on April 06, 2022, 07:12:44 PMSeeing as the 27 is being reduced to half-hourly from 24th April, I presume this means that the 20 will also be reduced to half-hourly too?
Are you sure?, here is the timetable starting from 24th April from TfWM, if it is right it's still every 20 minutes file:///C:/Users/mb012/Downloads/National%20Express%20West%20Midlands_27.pdf
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 06, 2022, 07:31:25 PMQuote from: Stu on April 06, 2022, 07:12:44 PMSeeing as the 27 is being reduced to half-hourly from 24th April, I presume this means that the 20 will also be reduced to half-hourly too?
Are you sure?, here is the timetable starting from 24th April from TfWM, if it is right it's still every 20 minutes file:///C:/Users/mb012/Downloads/National%20Express%20West%20Midlands_27.pdf
Nx website hasn't updated the changes yet [/quote]
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 06, 2022, 07:31:25 PMAre you sure?, here is the timetable starting from 24th April from TfWM, if it is right it's still every 20 minutes
It's mentioned on this page:
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/plan-your-journey/ways-to-travel/buses-in-the-west-midlands/upcoming-bus-changes/
Evening journeys revised in Northfield & Mon - Sat daytime freq reduced to every 30 minI have previously seen on the bus service registrations for both the 20 and 27 that variations have been registered to amend timetable from 24th April.
Quote from: Stu on April 26, 2022, 07:06:04 PMThanks for the insight, I wasn't complaining really, despite their age its nice having Tridents back regularly on the 2 and 3 at YW, which from my own observations and experiences are getting busier again, certainly at peak times at least.
4612 was on the 6 today to.
With its grey destination display.
Yardley Wood are going to be running a 144 Bromsgrove to Longbridge from next Tuesday
Quote from: Tony on April 28, 2022, 09:44:38 AMYardley Wood are going to be running a 144 Bromsgrove to Longbridge from next Tuesday
Interesting that it keeps the same number.
As I guess First would run a 144 Worcester to Catshill and NX 144 Bromsgrove to Longbridge.
2 sections with same number but through journeys on one ticket no longer possible?
Quote from: Tony on April 28, 2022, 09:44:38 AMYardley Wood are going to be running a 144 Bromsgrove to Longbridge from next Tuesday
To be honest, I thought a different service number would have been more appropriate, 44 perhaps? (fits in with other Longbridge area numberings too)
I understand this is an 'emergency tender' so no doubt its being provided on a 'use it or lose it' basis. So it remains to see how successful it turns out.
If it does prove a success, perhaps with a bit of tweaking to the 27 or 45/47 between Longbridge and Cofton Hackett, the 20 could be revised to run between the QE and Bromsgrove via this 144 route.
Quote from: Stu on April 28, 2022, 06:26:26 PMTo be honest, I thought a different service number would have been more appropriate, 44 perhaps? (fits in with other Longbridge area numberings too)
I understand this is an 'emergency tender' so no doubt its being provided on a 'use it or lose it' basis. So it remains to see how successful it turns out.
If it does prove a success, perhaps with a bit of tweaking to the 27 or 45/47 between Longbridge and Cofton Hackett, the 20 could be revised to run between the QE and Bromsgrove via this 144 route.
Apparently it will be the 144A.
Is it interworking with another route, or is it running dead from Yardley Wood to Longbridge?
There's a photo on the Midland Red forum of 4544 in Bromsgrove Bus Station today on route learning duties and was displaying 144A Longbridge Railway Station.
So is going to be 144 or 144A as the routes differ slightly on leaving Bromsgrove before joining up a mile or so up the road :undecided:
Quote from: SEVERNLINK on April 28, 2022, 06:44:57 PMThere's a photo on the Midland Red forum of 4544 in Bromsgrove Bus Station today on route learning duties and was displaying 144A Longbridge Railway Station.
So is going to be 144 or 144A as the routes differ slightly on leaving Bromsgrove before joining up a mile or so up the road :undecided:
First will be operating all their 144A journeys as 144 from Sunday, so hopefully there shouldn't be much confusion.
Quote from: Stu on April 28, 2022, 07:12:07 PMFirst will be operating all their 144A journeys as 144 from Sunday, so hopefully there shouldn't be much confusion.
Well,
if the NXWM service is the 144A, it means that next week the current 144 route will be the 144A route, while the current 144A route will be the 144 route! Might using the number 43 be better?
Anyway, Worcestershire County Council have announced that the service will run for six months, and the timetable will appear shortly. It has all the hallmarks of a last-minute change of mind and, therefore, an emergency tender.
It will be interesting to see whether double decks will appear on the service. West Midlands Travel have run to Bromsgrove before (some of us may remember the 145, 202 and 318) but I think these were single deck only.
QuoteWell, if the NXWM service is the 144A, it means that next week the current 144 route will be the 144A route, while the current 144A route will be the 144 route! Might using the number 43 be better?
Anyway, Worcestershire County Council have announced that the service will run for six months, and the timetable will appear shortly. It has all the hallmarks of a last-minute change of mind and, therefore, an emergency tender.
It will be interesting to see whether double decks will appear on the service. West Midlands Travel have run to Bromsgrove before (some of us may remember the 145, 202 and 318) but I think these were single deck only.
Quite likely to be Tridents. There is no vehicle type specified in the tender
"If it does prove a success, perhaps with a bit of tweaking to the 27 or 45/47 between Longbridge and Cofton Hackett, the 20 could be revised to run between the QE and Bromsgrove via this 144 route"
I really like this idea and would perhaps make the route more popular and worthwhile in the longer term....
And with Interworking with the 27 would allow easier driver changeovers at the Garage.
Quote from: Justin Tyme on April 28, 2022, 08:16:04 PMWell, if the NXWM service is the 144A, it means that next week the current 144 route will be the 144A route, while the current 144A route will be the 144 route! Might using the number 43 be better?
Anyway, Worcestershire County Council have announced that the service will run for six months, and the timetable will appear shortly. It has all the hallmarks of a last-minute change of mind and, therefore, an emergency tender.
It will be interesting to see whether double decks will appear on the service. West Midlands Travel have run to Bromsgrove before (some of us may remember the 145, 202 and 318) but I think these were single deck only.
I remember the 145, 202 (and sister service 201) and 318 well - they were all single deckers. I think the closest WMT have got to Bromsgrove with a DD was the short-lived 945 Timesaver service that ran as far as Barnt Green.
Quote from: SO6597 on April 28, 2022, 09:05:47 PMI remember the 145, 202 (and sister service 201) and 318 well - they were all single deckers. I think the closest WMT have got to Bromsgrove with a DD was the short-lived 945 Timesaver service that ran as far as Barnt Green.
West Mids DD's have visited Bromsgrove in the recent past when they ran a service to Villa Park AV5 or similar seems to ring a bell not a regular service I grant you (I take it there was no demand for one to St Andrews as well :grin: )
The 145 was Nationals then Lynxes only ever remember seeing Nationals on the 318 which TWM operated evenings and Sundays in the mid to late eighties
Interesting line on the NX website.
"The service will initially run up to every 70 minutes whilst we fully integrate it into our network and work with Worcester County Council on plans to operate a more frequent service.".
From that sounds like it could potentially be made more frequent and intergrated with other routes like the 63 or 20 in the future.
Quote from: 2206 on April 29, 2022, 01:55:10 PMInteresting line on the NX website.
"The service will initially run up to every 70 minutes whilst we fully integrate it into our network and work with Worcester County Council on plans to operate a more frequent service.".
From that sounds like it could potentially be made more frequent and intergrated with other routes like the 63 or 20 in the future.
Its all been put together very 'last minute' so the network planners won't have had a proper chance to look at all available options, hence the 'odd' 70 minute frequency.
As for its future, well that very much depends on the passengers and how regularly they use it.
To get a service out in less than a week is quite a challenge, specially one withdrawn by another operator, so you know not much income so have to get the costs to a bare minimum
Is it too soon to ask how the 144A is doing? :grin:
From reviewing journeys on BusTimes, one positive appears to be that it has run pretty reliably today, so at least the timetable has been planned out correctly. (If a service is going to run to an irregular 'non-clockface' schedule, passengers at least need to be confident the bus will turn up when it is suppposed to.)
On the other hand, buses find it easier to run to schedule if they are not having to stop and pick up or drop off passengers.
But equally, I hope that passenger numbers haven't been 'boosted' by enthusiasts just looking for a nice ride out to Bromsgrove and back.
Quote from: Stu on May 03, 2022, 08:41:59 PMOn the other hand, buses find it easier to run to schedule if they are not having to stop and pick up or drop off passengers.
But equally, I hope that passenger numbers haven't been 'boosted' by enthusiasts just looking for a nice ride out to Bromsgrove and back.
Not necessarily when I caught 6842 into Solihull this morning 7.49, it had a full bus all the way to Solihull passengers boarded and alight in Solihull then full bus out of Solihull. Dead on time through the whole route, as very light traffic. And it started its next trip 08.44 on time to.
I think it was said that the route would run for 6 months. They will probably review the usage over the weeks and months to come.
If people are using it not a bad thing surely. Some people do use buses for days out to, when I went to Stratford on a Sunday last year on the X50 I remember there were people on the bus and came back on the same return a few hours later all the ways back to Birmingham. Leisure travellers, etc.
Im not sure but has E001s rear dest been fixed as i reported it a couple of times
Quote from: BBS on May 05, 2022, 07:13:08 PMIm not sure but has E001s rear dest been fixed as i reported it a couple of times
Looks like it has, I noticed it myself on the Stratford Road a few days ago showing a rear destination finally.
Quote from: Stu on May 05, 2022, 08:42:59 PMLooks like it has, I noticed it myself on the Stratford Road a few days ago showing a rear destination finally.
Great it was not working for a while and i haven't seen e001 for quite some time now
Quote from: BBS on May 05, 2022, 10:30:11 PMGreat it was not working for a while and i haven't seen e001 for quite some time now
It's been out on the 6 every day for the last couple of weeks.
Have any other more Tridents at YW been Euro 6'd other than 4590?
all the 46xx at YW are Euro 6
Another of the long missing Tridents has returned to service today.
4608 which has been dead since January after engine failure is out on the 18 today
Road traffic accident this morning blocked off Stoney Lane in both directions (at the junction with Wilton Road), so myself and a near bus-full of passengers had to be turfed off to walk the rest of the way into Sparkbrook.
I was on a 3 which was already running late due to the traffic queue on Stoney Lane, and there was a 2 just behind us. There were also two other buses coming in the opposite direction, which also found themselves stuck.
I didn't hear this exactly as I was sat towards the rear of the bus, but while walking up Stoney Lane, I passed two other passengers who'd been on the same bus, and I overheard the one complaining to the other about our driver, "it came on the radio, to divert down Showell Green Lane, but he just carried on", or something along those lines.
I do remember something coming over the radio, but I can't remember where we were exactly, so I'm not trying to blame the driver or cause any trouble.
Ironically, after walking up and across to Stratford Road, the bus I then caught to complete my journey was the later 3, which obviously had heard the radio announcement in good time and diverted.
Looking at BusTimes later on, those buses look to have been stuck there for over an hour. I guess its just as frustrating for bus operators to have vehicles 'trapped' like this, especially on roads like Stoney Lane where there is no way of turning vehicles this size around. "The only way is forward!"
As for the incident itself, thankfully it looked like no-one was hurt, the white car had some visible side damage (as well as the airbags being set off), though there was no sign of any other vehicle involved, so presumably the police were called either because it was a 'hit-and-run' or just because the damaged car couldn't be moved on its own and was causing an obstruction.
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QuoteRoad traffic accident this morning blocked off Stoney Lane in both directions (at the junction with Wilton Road), so myself and a near bus-full of passengers had to be turfed off to walk the rest of the way into Sparkbrook.
I was on a 3 which was already running late due to the traffic queue on Stoney Lane, and there was a 2 just behind us. There were also two other buses coming in the opposite direction, which also found themselves stuck.
I didn't hear this exactly as I was sat towards the rear of the bus, but while walking up Stoney Lane, I passed two other passengers who'd been on the same bus, and I overheard the one complaining to the other about our driver, "it came on the radio, to divert down Showell Green Lane, but he just carried on", or something along those lines.
I do remember something coming over the radio, but I can't remember where we were exactly, so I'm not trying to blame the driver or cause any trouble.
Ironically, after walking up and across to Stratford Road, the bus I then caught to complete my journey was the later 3, which obviously had heard the radio announcement in good time and diverted.
Looking at BusTimes later on, those buses look to have been stuck there for over an hour. I guess its just as frustrating for bus operators to have vehicles 'trapped' like this, especially on roads like Stoney Lane where there is no way of turning vehicles this size around. "The only way is forward!"
As for the incident itself, thankfully it looked like no-one was hurt, the white car had some visible side damage (as well as the airbags being set off), though there was no sign of any other vehicle involved, so presumably the police were called either because it was a 'hit-and-run' or just because the damaged car couldn't be moved on its own and was causing an obstruction.
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Yes, An Inspector was sent to the scene to free the stuck buses, but the police refused to allow them to be moved. Luckily (not for the drivers involved) a couple were due to change drivers at the outer, so YW were able to give the relief drivers a different bus so the service wasn't four buses missing.
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2022, 08:13:02 PMYes, An Inspector was sent to the scene to free the stuck buses, but the police refused to allow them to be moved. Luckily (not for the drivers involved) a couple were due to change drivers at the outer, so YW were able to give the relief drivers a different bus so the service wasn't four buses missing.
The inspector did fully inform us what had happened and why the bus couldn't continue in service, and personally I didn't feel his apology was necessary, it was pretty evident to anyone who used their own eyes!
I found out later from BusTimes that E012 shown in my photo was actually returning 'dead' back to garage after completing one trip on the 6 into Birmingham. But as I stated, while there's not much that can be done about such situations, I can sympathise with the bus operators having four vehicles stuck somewhere that can't be moved.
A visitor is on the way to Yardley Wood, due to arrive this afternoon and stay for a few weeks (https://scontent-man2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/298660458_1215763465653638_4116756259651586517_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s2048x2048&_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=UVyGlWe2GvkAX9cgygp&_nc_ht=scontent-man2-1.xx&oh=03_AVIRDA2D3TPbtCZSW2pHHMb5fX3T02bKEFcriUdVkR75zw&oe=631E9F0C)
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2022, 10:43:24 AMA visitor is on the way to Yardley Wood, due to arrive this afternoon and stay for a few weeks (https://scontent-man2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/298660458_1215763465653638_4116756259651586517_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_s2048x2048&_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=UVyGlWe2GvkAX9cgygp&_nc_ht=scontent-man2-1.xx&oh=03_AVIRDA2D3TPbtCZSW2pHHMb5fX3T02bKEFcriUdVkR75zw&oe=631E9F0C)
I can't quite tell from your picture, looks like a Wright Electroliner demonstrator?
Any chance of it being used in service, or is it just there for engineering testing/evaluation?
QuoteI can't quite tell from your picture, looks like a Wright Electroliner demonstrator?
Any chance of it being used in service, or is it just there for engineering testing/evaluation?
It is the Wrights Electroliner Demonstrator. It won't be used in service but it will be about following other buses around in service to check the efficiency of it
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2022, 03:19:18 PMIt is the Wrights Electroliner Demonstrator. It won't be used in service but it will be about following other buses around in service to check the efficiency of it
Thanks for the info, I guess I miss the days when demonstrators would be used on public services!
I guess its always good to keep options open, I know you've said that NX have been pretty impressed with the Hydroliners, but I bet the BYD Enviro400EVs are going to be a tough act to beat?
It has arrived now
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Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2022, 05:03:42 PMIt has arrived now
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Caught it driving around Maypole Island at about 11 this morning. Pretty impressive!
QuoteCaught it driving around Maypole Island at about 11 this morning. Pretty impressive!
That was me taking it out for a spin to get used to it. Absolutely fabulous vehicle to drive.
Quote from: Tony on August 15, 2022, 06:14:05 PMThat was me taking it out for a spin to get used to it. Absolutely fabulous vehicle to drive.
The specs look impressive, Wrightbus claim it can do up to 200 miles on a full charge, and it only takes 2.5 hours to charge up.
How does it compare to the BYD EVs?
QuoteThe specs look impressive, Wrightbus claim it can do up to 200 miles on a full charge, and it only takes 2.5 hours to charge up.
How does it compare to the BYD EVs?
Personal opinion: Much nicer bus for the driver. I drove it for 16 miles today and used 6% of the batteries, that was all low speed city driving, but no bus stops, so 200 miles does look feasible
Is it tracking on bustimes yet ? 😂
QuoteThe specs look impressive, Wrightbus claim it can do up to 200 miles on a full charge, and it only takes 2.5 hours to charge up.
How does it compare to the BYD EVs?
If that's correct, it's a excellent choice for cross city routes
QuoteIf that's correct, it's a excellent choice for cross city routes
What difference does it make for cross city routes?
QuoteWhat difference does it make for cross city routes?
Cross city routes must be somehow long. So if a bus on full charge can do 200 miles that would be great
QuoteCross city routes must be somehow long. So if a bus on full charge can do 200 miles that would be great
length of the route doesn't make any difference because the bus will just do less trips. It is the average speed of a route that makes the difference
That's one good looking vehicle!
Tony, fao YW maintenance - 6944 upper saloon near side rear opening window annoyingly rattling, the main pane below opener would benefit from being reseated/resealed
Quote from: Twm 1990S on September 23, 2022, 05:23:19 PMYW E009 on 144A
Probably one of the most 'unusual' unusual workings of the year!
Some might say "what a waste of a perfectly good double decker". :rolleyes:
On the other hand, a good opportunity to try out an electric bus on a different type of route to gather some invaluable operational data.
Has any decision been made on the long-term future of the 144A yet?
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 23, 2022, 08:12:58 PMHas any decision been made on the long-term future of the 144A yet?
That was actually another question I was going to pose!
The contract was only for an initial six months, so I make it due to expire in early November, as it began from 3rd May this year.
I've only ever travelled on it the once, so I don't know what regular loadings are like.
Quote from: Stu on September 23, 2022, 08:27:49 PMThat was actually another question I was going to pose!
The contract was only for an initial six months, so I make it due to expire in early November, as it began from 3rd May this year.
I've only ever travelled on it the once, so I don't know what regular loadings are like.
From a number of Bromsgrove residents, I have heard positive comments about the NXWM service, albeit wishing for a more frequent service.
Whilst it would be nice for a service through to Birmingham to return, looking at the local services around Rubery and Longbridge (and also particularly those routes run by YW), I think the 49 could be a decent shout to be extended to cover the 144A from Rubery.
The current 15 min frequency to Rubery from Solihull could be maintained with every second bus running on to Bromsgrove via the 144 route to give an every 30 minutes frequency which I do think is financially feasible for that section of the route.
I can't imagine there has ever been a route between Bromsgrove and Solihull, even with those crazy routes Midland Red ran back in the day, but it's certainly a possibility.
To be honest, I'm surprised it hadn't been merged into either the Pershore Road services (maybe as a hourly extension to the 45 or 47)
I'd say if they took the 144A into Birmingham, gave it the platinum treatment, and made it go to a heavily limited stop between Longbridge and Birmingham (kind of like how the X51 is).
4775 (CV) is on the 18 if anyone wants it.
Quote from: mesub on October 06, 2022, 03:16:01 PM4775 (CV) is on the 18 if anyone wants it.
I saw one on Blossomfield Road this morning. On the 49 or 76 I think. Probably 4776.
4907 was there about 15 - 20 minutes prior.
Saw 4549(?) being towed on Stratford Road towards Town earlier today. Any ideas where it was going?
QuoteSaw 4549(?) being towed on Stratford Road towards Town earlier today. Any ideas where it was going?
BC for engine and gearbox to be removed for reuse
Does anyone know if 4775 and 4776 is out thanks
Quote from: AGPlaysMC on December 11, 2022, 09:57:31 AME018 - YW3
Not at all noteworthy, the EVs are commonly used on the 2 and 3 on Sundays.
Quote from: Stu on December 11, 2022, 10:28:28 AMNot at all noteworthy, the EVs are commonly used on the 2 and 3 on Sundays.
They have used them on the 3 think it was a weekday or Saturday
Just wondering how many Euro 6 Alx400 dennis tridents are at Yardley Wood ? & how aren't of 45.. at YW
6899 apparent arson on the YW 50. Fire at rear top deck.
QuoteJust wondering how many Euro 6 Alx400 dennis tridents are at Yardley Wood ? & how aren't of 45.. at YW
4590 and all the 46xx are euro 6
Quote from: 2206 on December 15, 2022, 04:16:09 PM6899 apparent arson on the YW 50. Fire at rear top deck.
Let's hope they can prosecute
Hi
@Tony is 1908 doing any trips on the 2 today please
@mesub, Tridents aren't noteworthy on the 6.
Quote@mesub, Tridents aren't noteworthy on the 6.
Why not?
It's a platinum route (in this case it's allocated the E400EVs or MMCs).
I've also just checked the spreadsheet and nowhere does it list a trident.
Quote from: mesub on December 21, 2022, 12:40:47 PMWhy not?
It's a platinum route (in this case it's allocated the E400EVs or MMCs).
I've also just checked the spreadsheet and nowhere does it list a trident.
E400's and Tridents aren't rare, Euro 6 buses on a Euro 6 route. They are common during the evenings and it's not a rare occurrence to see them during the day either.
Quote from: Jack on December 21, 2022, 12:33:02 PM@mesub, Tridents aren't noteworthy on the 6.
Quote from: Jack on December 21, 2022, 02:17:32 PME400's and Tridents aren't rare, Euro 6 buses on a Euro 6 route. They are common during the evenings and it's not a rare occurrence to see them during the day either.
As someone who is regularly on the Stratford Road, I will politely disagree with you.
The booked allocation for the 6 are the BYD E400EVs, and if any are not available then the E400MMCs are used.
From my own observations and experiences, Tridents, E400s and OmniLinks are still noteworthy on this route.
Quote from: markcf83 on December 30, 2022, 03:36:25 PMAlso BCT liveried Enviro 4722 on route 2, though I believe it normally sees use on that and the 3.
Enviro400s are fairly common on the 2 and 3. To be honest, those routes get all types of vehicle at YW used, the eCitaro demonstrator used last week was the most noteworthy working on those routes this year!
Quote from: Tony on December 30, 2022, 02:02:28 PM4923; 4926 YW-BC
Quote from: Tony on December 30, 2022, 02:59:28 PM1909; 1948 PB-YW
Oh great, more Omnilinks! :shocked:
By my estimation, YW already has far more single decks than it actually needs - I was actually hoping that some of the older Scanias elsewhere might start to be withdrawn, which would see those at YW cascaded out to replace them.
More hope than anything really, I'm sure there are good operational reasons for these moves!
Quote from: Stu on December 30, 2022, 07:16:49 PMOh great, more Omnilinks! :shocked:
By my estimation, YW already has far more single decks than it actually needs - I was actually hoping that some of the older Scanias elsewhere might start to be withdrawn, which would see those at YW cascaded out to replace them.
More hope than anything really, I'm sure there are good operational reasons for these moves!
Nothing, except no bus at all, is more disappointing than waiting 30 minutes for the 2/3 only for a full omnilink to show up.
Quote from: Ronnoc on December 30, 2022, 07:40:36 PMNothing, except no bus at all, is more disappointing than waiting 30 minutes for the 2/3 only for a full omnilink to show up.
Oh I know that feeling oh so well! :undecided:
I've had full double decks sail past me in recent weeks, not helped by certain journeys being missed out. The gaps in service on the 6 haven't helped, with passengers piling onto the 2 and 3 from city centre just to get to Sparkbrook (Aldi).
I fully appreciate the whole driver shortage situation, but matters aren't helped when a single deck Omnilink is expected to cope with the increased number of passengers when the previous 2/3 journey hasn't operated.
4609 RTC with a Landflight bus in Solihull Town Centre this morning.
Quote from: Stu on December 30, 2022, 08:26:31 PMI've had full double decks sail past me in recent weeks, not helped by certain journeys being missed out. The gaps in service on the 6 haven't helped, with passengers piling onto the 2 and 3 from city centre just to get to Sparkbrook (Aldi).
I fully appreciate the whole driver shortage situation, but matters aren't helped when a single deck Omnilink is expected to cope with the increased number of passengers when the previous 2/3 journey hasn't operated.
Doesn't seem to be journeys missed out now, just some late running due to awful traffic congestion.
Still, the increased number of OmniLinks being used on the 2 and 3 since the start of the year is making for some uncomfortable peak-time journeys.
1933 sailed past me on the 3 at 17:55, ten minutes late and rammed solid. I didn't fancy waiting any longer in the rain as I'd already waited around ten minutes for that one, so I got on 6703 on the 5 which followed shortly after, that was running 15 minutes late, and while quite full I was at least able to get a seat upstairs.
I know that YW have more single-decks than they actually need, and they need to be used somewhere, but if NX are going to continue to use these as the main allocation on the 2 and 3, then they need to add some extra peak-time journeys to the timetable. Or do something about the reliability of the 6 - while I was waiting in vain for that 3, three buses on the 6 were following each other towards city centre - I don't blame people waiting in city centre wanting to get to Sparkbrook or Sparkhill piling on to the first bus that comes, but it ends up with people like me wanting to travel further being left behind further down the route.
Saw 4587 on Yardley Road at about 10 this morning. Heading towards the Swan Island.
6944 on 35E to Kings Heath from City at 0738 but still showing as going to Hawksley on Bus Times
Quote from: Steve3229vp on January 25, 2023, 07:53:37 AM6944 on 35E to Kings Heath from City at 0738 but still showing as going to Hawksley on Bus Times
It will do yes, because its timetabled to go to Hawkesley.
Another nightmare journey home this evening - looks to me like there were two missing journeys on the 3, which meant that the single-decks on the 2 were totally rammed coming out of city.
I ended up getting off at Brunswick Road, as the driver allowed someone with a buggy on, despite the bus having a full standing load. Walked up to Esme Road, and waited twenty minutes for another 2, which was also full, though a few passengers do normally get off there, so at least I could get on and there were some seats then available.
I get the whole driver shortages thing, and I also appreciate that YW has far more single-decks than they actually 'need', but these Scanias are completely unsuited to the 2 and 3 routes during the busy peak-times, when passenger loadings are at their highest. You can just about get away with them if the scheduled journeys run on time (or close enough), but it becomes a huge problem when journeys are missed out due to driver unavailability.
It just seems like every single bus service out of the city needs to be double deck nowadays. Every single service at peak time on Stratford road is rammed, plus traffic makes the journey very testing. For a city of our size we need at least a tram service in that direction too, but at that point I'm just wishing for too much.
QuoteIt just seems like every single bus service out of the city needs to be double deck nowadays. Every single service at peak time on Stratford road is rammed, plus traffic makes the journey very testing. For a city of our size we need at least a tram service in that direction too, but at that point I'm just wishing for too much.
The 4 especially
I've seen on Bus Times that the 27/76 evening and Sunday journeys are being withdrawn by NXWM from 23rd Feb, does anyone know who's picking them up?
Quote from: SO6597 on January 27, 2023, 05:57:17 PMI've seen on Bus Times that the 27/76 evening and Sunday journeys are being withdrawn by NXWM from 23rd Feb, does anyone know who's picking them up?
It went out to tender yesterday, to commence on 26th Feb. I'd imagine NX will pick it up.*
* I imagine it's commercial at the moment.
Quote from: SO6597 on January 27, 2023, 05:57:17 PMI've seen on Bus Times that the 27/76 evening and Sunday journeys are being withdrawn by NXWM from 23rd Feb, does anyone know who's picking them up?
That's interesting, that was one of the tenders up for renewal from 1st Jan, yet on the list of tenders outcome, it is not shown as awarded.
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/who-we-are/what-we-do/bus-services/bus-tenders/
But NX continued to operate them, and the registration dated 8th Dec shows award of this tender. So perhaps the contract was just extended, in the hope that someone else would put in a bid?
It's a bit surprising really because I've travelled on both the 27 and 76 on Sundays and they both seem fairly well used.
Quote from: Stu on January 27, 2023, 06:27:21 PMThat's interesting, that was one of the tenders up for renewal from 1st Jan, yet on the list of tenders outcome, it is not shown as awarded.
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/who-we-are/what-we-do/bus-services/bus-tenders/
But NX continued to operate them, and the registration dated 8th Dec shows award of this tender. So perhaps the contract was just extended, in the hope that someone else would put in a bid?
It's a bit surprising really because I've travelled on both the 27 and 76 on Sundays and they both seem fairly well used.
There's a couple of different options proposed for the Sunday service but basically it's QE / Northfield sections of the 76 up for tender on Sundays with a couple of full journeys from Solihull. I'd imagine that they're happy with Solihull to Kings Heath leg of the route.
Quote from: MW on January 27, 2023, 07:12:44 PMThere's a couple of different options proposed for the Sunday service but basically it's QE / Northfield sections of the 76 up for tender on Sundays with a couple of full journeys from Solihull. I'd imagine that they're happy with Solihull to Kings Heath leg of the route.
To be honest, the 76 is such a long convoluted route, I'm surprised they haven't already looked at splitting it up, and same goes for the 27 too.
Here's a thought, curtail the 27 to Northfield to Maypole, and the 76 to QE to Solihull. Then have a new route running from QE to Cofton Hackett/Longbridge to cover those withdrawn parts. Call it the 43 and see if Stagecoach fancy a crack at it! :laugh:
Quote from: Stu on January 27, 2023, 07:27:47 PMTo be honest, the 76 is such a long convoluted route, I'm surprised they haven't already looked at splitting it up, and same goes for the 27 too.
Here's a thought, curtail the 27 to Northfield to Maypole, and the 76 to QE to Solihull. Then have a new route running from QE to Cofton Hackett/Longbridge to cover those withdrawn parts. Call it the 43 and see if Stagecoach fancy a crack at it! :laugh:
I'd call it 29
Just before Christmas, a 27 timetable appeared on the TfWM site very fleetingly that showed evening journeys ending at 8ish and stated 'No Sunday Service' so the theory of NXWM keeping it going temporarily could be right.
Given that the 48 has gone, should the 76 disappear from Weoley without replacement, that would be concerning.
Could the new Solus Coaches operations be interested, see post regarding recruiting new drivers for Solihull and Sutton routes.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on January 27, 2023, 07:43:25 PMI'd call it 29
I get where you and others are coming from, but I deliberately didn't choose that one! :laugh:
Quote from: SO6597 on January 27, 2023, 07:48:52 PMJust before a Christmas, a 27 timetable appeared on the TfWM site very fleetingly that showed evening journeys ending at 8ish and stated 'No Sunday Service' so the theory of NXWM keeping it going temporarily could be right.
Yes, originally these services were reregistered without the tendered journeys on 17th November:
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/534
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/565
Subsequently, these services were then reregistered on 8th December, which will be why the revised timetables (which I did see myself on the TfWM website) were then pulled down.
QuoteI get where you and others are coming from, but I deliberately didn't choose that one! :laugh:
Yes, originally these services were reregistered without the tendered journeys on 17th November:
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/534
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/565
Subsequently, these services were then reregistered on 8th December, which will be why the revised timetables (which I did see myself on the TfWM website) were then pulled down.
Most likely stagecoach taking these
Quote from: BBS on January 27, 2023, 11:34:18 PMMost likely stagecoach taking these
You think ?? with their performance so far....
Quote from: Steve3229vp on January 27, 2023, 07:43:25 PMI'd call it 29
And cut out the Northfield to Longbridge part, and instead of serving the QE, from Harborne route it to the city centre. The old 29, a popular and well used service, has never been satisfactorily replaced.
QuoteYou think ?? with their performance so far....
They have been extremely lacking, but i don't think they would miss a opportunity like that
Quote from: Mike K on January 27, 2023, 11:59:06 PMAnd cut out the Northfield to Longbridge part, and instead of serving the QE, from Harborne route it to the city centre. The old 29, a popular and well used service, has never been satisfactorily replaced.
No, the 29 took too long, so I would sooner have a 25 running direct to California (via 23 route), then to Barnes Hill, Weoley Castle and Northfield. Going via Harborne Park Road and Quinton takes too long.
Quote from: Mike K on January 27, 2023, 11:59:06 PMAnd cut out the Northfield to Longbridge part, and instead of serving the QE, from Harborne route it to the city centre. The old 29, a popular and well used service, has never been satisfactorily replaced.
Thing is which journey oppurtunities that were possible then do you feel aren't possible now. The Quinton Road has the X22 to Birmingham and now has a direct service to the QE Hosp, large parts of Weoley Caslte have the X21 to Birmingham. the 76 still runs along the full route from Harborne to Northfield.
And even if you want to go to Broad Street or somewhere else you can change onto the regular 23/24 at Harborne which were increased in frequency to replace the 29.
Another reason perhaps for curtailing the service at Harborne originally may have been so it doesn't get caught in the City Centre congestion.
Quote from: 2206 on January 28, 2023, 10:17:29 AMThing is which journey oppurtunities that were possible then do you feel aren't possible now. The Quinton Road has the X22 to Birmingham, large parts of Weoley Caslte have the X21 to Birmingham. the 76 still runs along the full route from Harborne to Northfield.
And even if you want to go to Broad Street or somewhere else you can change onto the regular 23/24 at Harborne which were increased in frequency to replace the 29.
Another reason perhaps for curtailing the service at Harborne originally may have been so it doesn't get caught in the City Centre congestion.
Mainly parts of Northfield and Weoley Castle losing a direct service to the city centre - Bell Hill / parts of Shenley Lane, Alwold Road and the Barnes Hill area of Weoley Castle. Quite a long walk to alternative services for those less mobile. Changing buses to get to say Broad St etc isn't ideal for attracting passengers to use the bus.
I understand the reasons for simplifying routes through Harborne, and the 23/24 generally work quite well. Just feels like the Harborne to Northfield part of the 29 gets bolted on to random convoluted routes just to provide a service along those roads, providing links to all manner of obscure places. But a a sizeable chunk of passengers use the bus to get to the city centre area, and the commercial zones around it.
I think this has gotten way off-topic for YW garage! But Mike is right, the 29 has not been replaced properly and the 76 is nowhere near as well-used by passengers in the area.
Quote from: Mike K on January 28, 2023, 11:00:19 AMMainly parts of Northfield and Weoley Castle losing a direct service to the city centre - Bell Hill / parts of Shenley Lane, Alwold Road and the Barnes Hill area of Weoley Castle. Quite a long walk to alternative services for those less mobile. Changing buses to get to say Broad St etc isn't ideal for attracting passengers to use the bus.
I understand the reasons for simplifying routes through Harborne, and the 23/24 generally work quite well. Just feels like the Harborne to Northfield part of the 29 gets bolted on to random convoluted routes just to provide a service along those roads, providing links to all manner of obscure places. But a a sizeable chunk of passengers use the bus to get to the city centre area, and the commercial zones around it.
The 29 being bolted onto the 76 probably helps with the driver reliefs to I would think. So they can have them at Haunch Lane near the depot. Whereas if it ran as a standalone Northfield - Harborne service they wouldn't be able to do that.
With Broad Street particularly some passengers get the X21/X22 to Granville Street and walk down there which should be 10 minutes max walk.
How long is E021 at Yardley wood garage for
Quote from: Stu on January 25, 2023, 07:26:25 PMAnother nightmare journey home this evening - looks to me like there were two missing journeys on the 3, which meant that the single-decks on the 2 were totally rammed coming out of city.
I ended up getting off at Brunswick Road, as the driver allowed someone with a buggy on, despite the bus having a full standing load. Walked up to Esme Road, and waited twenty minutes for another 2, which was also full, though a few passengers do normally get off there, so at least I could get on and there were some seats then available.
I get the whole driver shortages thing, and I also appreciate that YW has far more single-decks than they actually 'need', but these Scanias are completely unsuited to the 2 and 3 routes during the busy peak-times, when passenger loadings are at their highest. You can just about get away with them if the scheduled journeys run on time (or close enough), but it becomes a huge problem when journeys are missed out due to driver unavailability.
More missing journeys, this time on the 2 this evening; the 2 due at 18:32 from Auckland Road didn't show up, and I could see the next 3 on BusTimes was going to be a single-deck, so I used my better judgement and got on the 5 instead. (A half-empty 6702)
It turned out to be a very good call, I got off the 5 at Wake Green Road and walked round the corner to get the 3, which then duly arrived a couple of minutes later, and was still packed even at this point.
Watch out for a second 4798 from Next week! Wrights Electroliner demonstrator LY71 GJE will be back, due to arrive at YW tomorrow this time it will carry fleetnumber 4798 and be used in normal service on the 6. It will take a few days to fit ticket machines and other NX essential kit along with driver type training so don't go looking for it on the Stratford Road for a few days
Quote from: Tony on February 03, 2023, 06:25:18 PMWatch out for a second 4798 from Next week! Wrights Electroliner demonstrator LY71 GJE will be back, due to arrive at YW tomorrow this time it will carry fleetnumber 4798 and be used in normal service on the 6. It will take a few days to fit ticket machines and other NX essential kit along with driver type training so don't go looking for it on the Stratford Road for a few days
How long should it be with NX for?
Quote from: Tony on February 03, 2023, 06:25:18 PMWatch out for a second 4798 from Next week! Wrights Electroliner demonstrator LY71 GJE will be back, due to arrive at YW tomorrow this time it will carry fleetnumber 4798 and be used in normal service on the 6. It will take a few days to fit ticket machines and other NX essential kit along with driver type training so don't go looking for it on the Stratford Road for a few days
I presume that this means NX are either considering purchasing some of these following the previous demonstration, or it is on trial again for further evaluation and comparison before committing to buy?
It's been confirmed; Electroliners will form part of the new order of 300 new buses due by the end of next year.
I'd suspect for driver training/familiarisation.
Curious journey into Birmingham this afternoon!
Walked up to Billesley Common and boarded 6943 on the 2. Nothing unusual at this point, other than being a couple of minutes early.
The bus then pulled up at the St Agnes Road stop to wait time for a couple of minutes, but then the NSA announced this was a '3 to Birmingham'. Don't know at this point if the destination displays had changed as well.
76s were a mess this afternoon. 4775 which I caught ended up 20 minutes late in kings Heath and was being followed by 460* on the 76 which according to bus times was ontime (was showing as only doing as far as yardley wood on destination blinds however.
Seen an omnilink also on 76E by QE about 16:00
That always seems to happen when the destination is changed on the display
@Stu
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 11, 2023, 06:50:23 PM76s were a mess this afternoon. 4775 which I caught ended up 20 minutes late in kings Heath and was being followed by 460* on the 76 which according to bus times was ontime (was showing as only doing as far as yardley wood on destination blinds however.
Seen an omnilink also on 76E by QE about 16:00
The 76 has been a mess for sometime due to the constant roadworks in Stirchley.
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 11, 2023, 07:48:12 PMThat always seems to happen when the destination is changed on the display @Stu
But I don't understand why the driver changed from the 2 to the 3 mid-route to Birmingham while he was running on time!
Quote from: Stu on February 11, 2023, 08:25:27 PMBut I don't understand why the driver changed from the 2 to the 3 mid-route to Birmingham while he was running on time!
It likely leaves Birmingham as a 3 on its way out.
Quote from: 2206 on February 11, 2023, 08:29:47 PMIt likely leaves Birmingham as a 3 on its way out.
Which it did, I heard the NSA change to "3 to Yardley Wood" after we passed Birmingham Coach Station.
But why change it halfway along the route in Moseley while operating as the 2?
Quote from: Stu on February 11, 2023, 08:25:27 PMBut I don't understand why the driver changed from the 2 to the 3 mid-route to Birmingham while he was running on time!
I have seen it happen before. I remember one time an X21 towards City changed to an X20 at Uni Station!
QuoteIt likely leaves Birmingham as a 3 on its way out.
I watched it happen last Friday on the 23 in Harborne. Driver suddenly decided it was time to change it to 24!
I remember a few years ago when the 2/3 used to go down Bradford Street as soon as they got to the old pub at camp Hill circus the driver used to change the blinds for their journey out of city which usually was a swap onto the other route depending on the running board
Is 4798 used on weekends? And does it have an end date
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 14, 2023, 10:35:24 PMIs 4798 used on weekends? And does it have an end date
Not sure its even entered service yet. I've not seen it and seen no mention of it being out either.
The new prospective date is this Thursday.
4798 is due to come out on the 6 tomorrow starting with a journey at 07:35 from Solihull Station Rd
Quote from: Tony on February 15, 2023, 06:01:40 PM4798 is due to come out on the 6 tomorrow starting with a journey at 07:35 from Solihull Station Rd
Hopefully wiill do 9.45 ex solihull to.
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/tnxb-e003?date=2023-02-13#
Tensions are starting to rise it seems...
Yesterday evening, on a crowded Scania on the 3, some guy started mouthing off at a young woman who had moved into the 'spacious' seats by the fire exit that had become available, because he was 'cramped' in the seat he had been sat in (for most of the journey, he then got off two stops later).
Then this evening, on another heavily loaded Scania on the 3, which was running about 15 minutes late, there was an 'altercation' between two people, having an argument about something - I couldn't see what was happening because the front of the bus was crowded, but it was something to do with having to move out of the way to let a woman with a buggy on.
Sorry but its starting to get a bit ridiculous having these Scanias on busy peak-time journeys.
Quote from: Stu on February 15, 2023, 08:15:16 PMTensions are starting to rise it seems...
Yesterday evening, on a crowded Scania on the 3, some guy started mouthing off at a young woman who had moved into the 'spacious' seats by the fire exit that had become available, because he was 'cramped' in the seat he had been sat in (for most of the journey, he then got off two stops later).
Then this evening, on another heavily loaded Scania on the 3, which was running about 15 minutes late, there was an 'altercation' between two people, having an argument about something - I couldn't see what was happening because the front of the bus was crowded, but it was something to do with having to move out of the way to let a woman with a buggy on.
Sorry but its starting to get a bit ridiculous having these Scanias on busy peak-time journeys.
I was on a double deck platinum the other day full and standing. Man had his bag on a unoccupied seat, someone asked him can they sit down and he responded in an aggressive tone his bags on the seat.
Its not just the buses that are the problem here I think but some of the people themselves. If the seats unoccupied there's no reason why she can't sit down. Some people simply show no respect to other passengers.
Quote from: 2206 on February 15, 2023, 08:39:04 PMI was on a double deck platinum the other day full and standing. Man had his bag on a unoccupied seat, someone asked him can they sit down and he responded in an aggressive tone his bags on the seat.
Its not just the buses that are the problem here I think but some of the people themselves. If the seats unoccupied there's no reason why she can't sit down. Some people simply show no respect to other passengers.
Yes, that has always been a particular bug-bear of mine where ignorant people won't simply put their bags on their laps so that other people can use the seat next to them.
The other bug-bear is that if people stood in the 'standing area' of the bus (and didn't use the fold-down seats) then there would be more room for people to stand, instead of people standing in the narrowest area of the bus (between the front wheels).
Quote from: Stu on February 15, 2023, 08:15:16 PMTensions are starting to rise it seems...
Yesterday evening, on a crowded Scania on the 3, some guy started mouthing off at a young woman who had moved into the 'spacious' seats by the fire exit that had become available, because he was 'cramped' in the seat he had been sat in (for most of the journey, he then got off two stops later).
Then this evening, on another heavily loaded Scania on the 3, which was running about 15 minutes late, there was an 'altercation' between two people, having an argument about something - I couldn't see what was happening because the front of the bus was crowded, but it was something to do with having to move out of the way to let a woman with a buggy on.
Sorry but its starting to get a bit ridiculous having these Scanias on busy peak-time journeys.
I know exactly what you mean, I hope that when the new order of electric double deckers are delivered that they start replacing single deckers because they have them on the 7 quite often now and it's getting silly.
My prediction is that YW and PB will get a lot of these electric double deckers as these garages already have the infrastructure in place
4798 is out on its booked running board on the 6 today
Due in City at 08:36; 10:44; 13:48; 16:20; 18:52; 20:50
27 and 76 down to every hour evenings and Sundays from 26th Feb.
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 16, 2023, 05:09:14 PM27 and 76 down to every hour evenings and Sundays from 26th Feb.
The 76 is down to hourly evenings only. The Sunday daytime frequency is still every 30 minutes
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 16, 2023, 05:09:14 PM27 and 76 down to every hour evenings and Sundays from 26th Feb.
27 PDF timetable from 26 Feb on the NXWM website looks wrong. Shows evening journeys from Maypole as terminating at Bournville, Cadbury's, when it should be Northfield (journeys towards Maypole are shown as starting from Northfield).
Will the electroliner be out on Saturday?
4798 left city about 1250 today
4798 is out today, and it is its last day in service
Looks like the 144A is being extended to QE Hospital via Northfield and Bristol Road and will get a frequency increase to every hour (compared with every 70 minutes). This will be from April 16
https://bromsgrovestandard.co.uk/news/144a-bus-service-to-be-extended-to-northfield-and-birminghams-qe-hospital/
Quote from: mesub on March 16, 2023, 01:25:04 PMLooks like the 144A is being extended to QE Hospital via Northfield and Bristol Road and will get a frequency increase to every hour (compared with every 70 minutes). This will be from April 16
https://bromsgrovestandard.co.uk/news/144a-bus-service-to-be-extended-to-northfield-and-birminghams-qe-hospital/
If its running alongside the 20, maybe a renumbering to 20A would make sense?
Edgewood Road sees NX buses return to as well, the X20 was withdrawn from there a few years ago.
Quote from: mesub on March 16, 2023, 01:25:04 PMLooks like the 144A is being extended to QE Hospital via Northfield and Bristol Road and will get a frequency increase to every hour (compared with every 70 minutes). This will be from April 16
https://bromsgrovestandard.co.uk/news/144a-bus-service-to-be-extended-to-northfield-and-birminghams-qe-hospital/
Excellent news. Hopefully,as the report says,there will be a later evening service run too.
Quote from: mesub on March 16, 2023, 01:25:04 PMLooks like the 144A is being extended to QE Hospital via Northfield and Bristol Road and will get a frequency increase to every hour (compared with every 70 minutes). This will be from April 16
https://bromsgrovestandard.co.uk/news/144a-bus-service-to-be-extended-to-northfield-and-birminghams-qe-hospital/
Will it actually happen on the 16/04 if the buses are stil on strike
I would think it should be ok as it's just under a month away fingers crossed it's all over by then
Quote from: 2206 on March 16, 2023, 02:00:06 PMIf its running alongside the 20, maybe a renumbering to 20A would make sense?
Edgewood Road sees NX buses return to as well, the X20 was withdrawn from there a few years ago.
It is actually going to be the 20 extended to Bromsgrove
Quote from: Tony on March 16, 2023, 04:15:05 PMIt is actually going to be the 20 extended to Bromsgrove
So will it be WB operated all the way to Bromsgrove or will the 20 move to YW? (Or BC?)
Quote from: gc802002 on March 16, 2023, 06:02:36 PMSo will it be WB operated all the way to Bromsgrove or will the 20 move to YW? (Or BC?)
Looking like WB
Quote from: Tony on March 16, 2023, 04:15:05 PMIt is actually going to be the 20 extended to Bromsgrove
A few years ago now on my website, I wrote an "April Fools" article about the WB 48 being extended to Worcester.
With the 20 interworking with the 48, it looks like this has taken one step closer to reality! :grin:
Quote from: Tony on March 16, 2023, 06:09:27 PMLooking like WB
West Brom - Londonderry - Bearwood - Harborne - QE - Northfield - Longbridge - Rednal - Rubery - Catshill - Bromsgrove and back is quite some round trip on that rota.
Good to see NX making something of the old 144.
Quote from: Mike K on March 16, 2023, 07:09:36 PMWest Brom - Londonderry - Bearwood - Harborne - QE - Northfield - Longbridge - Rednal - Rubery - Catshill - Bromsgrove and back is quite some round trip on that rota.
Good to see NX making something of the old 144.
That route goes through fairly decent areas the whole way so I'm sure they won't struggle to find drivers for that rota. Certainly preferable compared to driving down Soho Road for 5 hours. Many drivers pushed First to divert the 144 (when they ran to Brum) via the QE instead of Selly Oak as there certainly is a need for that link from Bromsgrove.
Good chance of success this increasing patronage I'd say from knowing the area pretty well.
All that is needed now is an 'X' route fast to Brum from Bromsgrove via the Rednal and Lickey Hills route, maybe an X20 😜
Quote from: Tony on March 16, 2023, 04:15:05 PMIt is actually going to be the 20 extended to Bromsgrove
I've seen a comment on my Facebook page where someone says there'll be a 20 QE to Bromsgrove, and a 20A QE to Cofton Hackett, does that sound correct?
I see Kevs 19 and 55 already serve Edgewood Road and Leach Green Lane, so I wonder if one or both of those will be amended from the same date.
This change is great news and will make a big difference to people in North Worcs. NXWM fares have been very much welcomed and can only have helped in attracting passengers.
I wonder whether the route will have a couple of one way systems in place in Rednal as the original X20 did and whether it will still call at Longbridge Station?
Quote from: SO6597 on March 18, 2023, 08:19:12 AMThis change is great news and will make a big difference to people in North Worcs. NXWM fares have been very much welcomed and can only have helped in attracting passengers.
I wonder whether the route will have a couple of one way systems in place in Rednal as the original X20 did and whether it will still call at Longbridge Station?
According to the Bromsgrove Standard article:
The new-look service will also run along the route of the current 20 (directly along Bristol Road).
From Longbridge (Bristol Road South), buses will journey along Lickey Road, Edgewood Road and Cliff Rock Road (towards Bromsgrove), Leach Green Lane (from Bromsgrove), Leach Green Lane (northern end), New Road and then to the same route as the current 144A between Rubery and Bromsgrove.I guess the idea is that for passengers travelling from Bromsgrove/Catshill, they can change at Longbridge Island for other buses to Longbridge station.
Quote from: Stu on March 18, 2023, 09:56:31 AMAccording to the Bromsgrove Standard article:
The new-look service will also run along the route of the current 20 (directly along Bristol Road).
From Longbridge (Bristol Road South), buses will journey along Lickey Road, Edgewood Road and Cliff Rock Road (towards Bromsgrove), Leach Green Lane (from Bromsgrove), Leach Green Lane (northern end), New Road and then to the same route as the current 144A between Rubery and Bromsgrove.
I guess the idea is that for passengers travelling from Bromsgrove/Catshill, they can change at Longbridge Island for other buses to Longbridge station.
It's a maximum 5 minute walk to the station from the stop opposite Bourneville College so not exactly far for anyone wanting to use the train to Brum rather than the bus. For anyone with mobility issues, as you say, they can just change onto a 27 or 49 at Longbridge Island.
Just to confirm as a local in the Longbridge Area, The 20 will run to Bromsgrove and a 20A service will run along the current 20 route? Thanks
Quote from: LiamsTransport1 on March 26, 2023, 03:36:21 PMJust to confirm as a local in the Longbridge Area, The 20 will run to Bromsgrove and a 20A service will run along the current 20 route? Thanks
I have heard there will be a 20A continuing to serve Cofton Hackett, but nothing official published yet.
Quote from: Stu on March 26, 2023, 04:16:31 PMI have heard there will be a 20A continuing to serve Cofton Hackett, but nothing official published yet.
According to West Midlands Bus Users, links from Longbridge to Cofton Hackett will be maintained by existing service 27. Passengers would have to change to service 20 for onward connection to/from the QE.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on March 26, 2023, 04:26:10 PMAccording to West Midlands Bus Users, links from Longbridge to Cofton Hackett will be maintained by existing service 27. Passengers would have to change to service 20 for onward connection to/from the QE.
Thanks but I know what I wrote, it is my website after all. :grin:
The Bromsgrove Standard article I quoted made no mention of a 20A, hence my 'assumption' that the 27 would maintain the link to Cofton Hackett.
Quote from: Stu on March 26, 2023, 04:43:48 PMThanks but I know what I wrote, it is my website after all. :grin:
The Bromsgrove Standard article I quoted made no mention of a 20A, hence my 'assumption' that the 27 would maintain the link to Cofton Hackett.
My apologies, I didn't realise it was your website.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on March 26, 2023, 04:26:10 PMAccording to West Midlands Bus Users, links from Longbridge to Cofton Hackett will be maintained by existing service 27. Passengers would have to change to service 20 for onward connection to/from the QE.
Any ideas if the 27 is going to run between Northfield and Cofton on a Sunday as it currently doesn't?
Quote from: LiamsTransport1 on March 26, 2023, 07:39:22 PMAny ideas if the 27 is going to run between Northfield and Cofton on a Sunday as it currently doesn't?
No - the tender for the Sunday 27 sees it terminating at Northfield.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on March 26, 2023, 04:26:10 PMAccording to West Midlands Bus Users, links from Longbridge to Cofton Hackett will be maintained by existing service 27. Passengers would have to change to service 20 for onward connection to/from the QE.
Quote from: Stu on March 26, 2023, 04:43:48 PMThanks but I know what I wrote, it is my website after all. :grin:
The Bromsgrove Standard article I quoted made no mention of a 20A, hence my 'assumption' that the 27 would maintain the link to Cofton Hackett.
Just to clarify, what I actually wrote was:
"Cofton Hackett should continue to be served Monday to Saturday daytime by the 27 service from Longbridge, unless there are any other further changes that I am currently unaware of."https://wmbu.org.uk/2023/03/changes-to-20-and-144a-services-from-sunday-16th-april-2023/
Breaking the no advance news rule, but 4587's MoT expires on the 13th April, so the next 7 days will be anyone's last chance to catch it out and about
Quote from: Tony on April 06, 2023, 06:32:59 PMBreaking the no advance news rule, but 4587's MoT expires on the 13th April, so the next 7 days will be anyone's last chance to catch it out and about
That was a week ago, so has the vehicle now been retired from service?
Feels like the doomsday clock is running down fast for the ALX and Gemini fleets.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on April 20, 2023, 09:52:48 AMThat was a week ago, so has the vehicle now been retired from service?
Feels like the doomsday clock is running down fast for the ALX and Gemini fleets.
Yes, 4587 is now parked up
Thank you Tony.
What route did the old 69 (around 2008) from Solihull to Weoley Castle used to take?
Quote from: Ronnoc on April 24, 2023, 06:31:47 PMWhat route did the old 69 (around 2008) from Solihull to Weoley Castle used to take?
Dunno about 2008 (I don't think the route changed much), but here is its route from 1988:
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/QvUAAOSwwb9ivf2D/s-l1600.jpg
Quote from: Ronnoc on April 24, 2023, 06:31:47 PMWhat route did the old 69 (around 2008) from Solihull to Weoley Castle used to take?
I was curious about this one too, you can see it on the 2009 map at the below link:
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?msg=312708
Basically followed the 49 from Solihull to Maypole, then followed what is now the 27 from Maypole to Kings Heath, then what is now the 76 from Kings Heath to Selly Oak.
And on that link, what is shown as the 169 coming out of Solihull towards Sheldon is the Solihull-Heartlands Hospital part of the journey (in 1988 it terminated at the Yew Tree pub on the outer circle in Yardley).
Cheers for the link, didn't realise how convoluted the 69 really was.
Quote from: Ronnoc on April 25, 2023, 04:14:02 PMCheers for the link, didn't realise how convoluted the 69 really was.
Neither did I at the time! I remember being with my brother in Solihull one afternoon, then he wanted to go meet some friends in Moseley - I suggested getting a bus to Kings Heath then hop on the 50 up to Moseley village, and it was the 69 that came first so we got that. I wasn't familiar with that part of south Birmingham at the time, in hindsight we'd have been better off getting the 50 from Maypole! :shocked:
Quote from: Ronnoc on April 25, 2023, 04:14:02 PMCheers for the link, didn't realise how convoluted the 69 really was.
Like a lot of routes, it was convoluted as it came about through stitching together of 2 or more to create one very long one. The Weoley Castle to Kings Heath section was previously the 2, and the Kings Heath to Yardley Yew Tree part replaced the already long 164 route if I recall correctly. That part was later extended from Yew Tree to Heartlands, before the Solihull to Heartlands part was split off and renumbered the 169 (later the 73).
Quote from: Mike K on April 25, 2023, 05:10:37 PMLike a lot of routes, it was convoluted as it came about through stitching together of 2 or more to create one very long one. The Weoley Castle to Kings Heath section was previously the 2, and the Kings Heath to Yardley Yew Tree part replaced the already long 164 route if I recall correctly. That part was later extended from Yew Tree to Heartlands, before the Solihull to Heartlands part was split off and renumbered the 169 (later the 73).
And in September 1993 it had an additional section of route stitched on from Weoley Castle to Frankley where it interworked with the 49 at Holly Hill (it was cut back to Northfield a couple of months later before reverting back to Weoley Castle as before). A truly mammoth route.
A few platinums were running up and down James Watt Queensway this morning displaying private hire. One of them 7534.
Quote from: 2206 on April 28, 2023, 10:41:23 AMA few platinums were running up and down James Watt Queensway this morning displaying private hire. One of them 7534.
Shuttle buses for the Rugby
Are these the ones I saw parked up on the Lichfield Rd by east foods yesterday too
Wonder whether the 76 will be curtailed back to the QE at some point like the 48 was. The reliability is poor at times.
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 29, 2023, 03:42:01 PMWonder whether the 76 will be curtailed back to the QE at some point like the 48 was. The reliability is poor at times.
I think it will be, and the reduction to 30min frequency on Saturday might be the first step.
I've suggested before to curtail both the 27 (at Northfield) and 76 (at QE/Harborne), then combine those ends of the route into a new one, Cofton Hackett/Longbridge to QE/Harborne, via Northfield.
That route could stay half-hourly, with the 76 going back to 20mins. Just an idea of course.
The reliability is only poor because of traffic congestion. Seems to be particularly bad through Shirley at the moment.
Quote from: Stu on July 29, 2023, 04:12:51 PMI've suggested before to curtail both the 27 (at Northfield) and 76 (at QE/Harborne), then combine those ends of the route into a new one, Cofton Hackett/Longbridge to QE/Harborne, via Northfield.
Isn't that the 20A?
Quote from: Zaccy_Dee on July 29, 2023, 04:21:31 PMIsn't that the 20A?
No, I was talking about combining the Cofton Hackett to Northfield part of the 27, and the Northfield to QE part of the 76.
20A is a completely seperate route running direct along Bristol Road.
Quote from: Stu on July 29, 2023, 04:24:08 PMNo, I was talking about combining the Cofton Hackett to Northfield part of the 27, and the Northfield to QE part of the 76.
20A is a completely seperate route running direct along Bristol Road.
I thought the same thing, the new route could be 29 QE Hospital - Harborne - California - Weoley Castle - Northfield - Frankley - Rubery - Longbridge - Cofton Hackett
Quote from: Steve3229vp on July 29, 2023, 05:34:27 PMI thought the same thing, the new route could be 29 QE Hospital - Weoley Castle - Northfield - Frankley - Rubery - Longbridge - Cofton Hackett
I was thinking
26 myself, using existing route numbering logic, ie if you're merging bits of the
27 and 7
6 together, plus it (sort of) fits with other Harborne services.
Other option would be 42/43/44, then would fit with other QEH services perhaps?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on July 29, 2023, 05:34:27 PMI thought the same thing, the new route could be 29 QE Hospital - Weoley Castle - Northfield - Frankley - Rubery - Longbridge - Cofton Hackett
It should serve Harborne & California as well, so that the (decently used) link to Northfield is kept.
Quote from: Stu on July 29, 2023, 04:12:51 PMI think it will be, and the reduction to 30min frequency on Saturday might be the first step.
I've suggested before to curtail both the 27 (at Northfield) and 76 (at QE/Harborne), then combine those ends of the route into a new one, Cofton Hackett/Longbridge to QE/Harborne, via Northfield.
That route could stay half-hourly, with the 76 going back to 20mins. Just an idea of course.
The reliability is only poor because of traffic congestion. Seems to be particularly bad through Shirley at the moment.
To be honest I'd just reroute every other 23 (and renumber it 23A or 25) which would go from California up to Northfield via the current 76 route.
But yes, you could probably curtail the 27 at Northfield too.
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 30, 2023, 11:45:37 AMTo be honest I'd just reroute every other 23 (and renumber it 23A or 25) which would go from California up to Northfield via the current 76 route.
But yes, you could probably curtail the 27 at Northfield too.
Are you joking, that would reduce buses to Woodgate Valley to no more than every 20 mins !
Quote from: Steve3229vp on July 30, 2023, 03:09:36 PMAre you joking, that would reduce buses to Woodgate Valley to no more than every 20 mins !
From my own observations only when I've used the 23 the section between Newman Uni and California isn't that well used and I'm not sure it needs a bus every 10 mins, but then again I don't know the full picture obviously so I was just suggesting an option.
QuoteFrom my own observations only when I've used the 23 the section between Newman Uni and California isn't that well used and I'm not sure it needs a bus every 10 mins, but then again I don't know the full picture obviously so I was just suggesting an option.
Depends on the time of day, I've seen it quite busy when I've gotten on in Woodgate Valley. Think about when the school kids get on as well! (Especially since The Green Bus will won't be serving King Edward VI Five Ways in September).
76 going back to every 20 mins on Saturdays from 24th September, looking at the new TFWM timetable.
1930 and 4604 have brought Stoney Lane to a standstill because of awfully parked cars, another road that needs a ban of buses as this road has become a nightmare.
Quote from: Jack on September 05, 2023, 02:00:51 PM1930 and 4604 have brought Stoney Lane to a standstill because of awfully parked cars, another road that needs a ban of buses as this road has become a nightmare.
There is also the same issue on Stratford Road by Somali-town. Ticket officers try to fine the offenders but end up getting physically attacked. Perhaps the city council, with its lack of money, should remove the parking spaces, widen the roads a little, and add barriers to the pavement.
Z4001 & Z4006 in Solihull late this afternoon, both working route 6.
Quote from: Jack on September 05, 2023, 02:00:51 PM1930 and 4604 have brought Stoney Lane to a standstill because of awfully parked cars, another road that needs a ban of buses as this road has become a nightmare.
It needs the council and the police regularly going there and enforcing the parking restrictions in place. They could rake in a fortune in fines down there, and the money could be well spent on bollards or railings next to the park to stop people half-parking on the pavement.
Quote from: Stu on September 05, 2023, 07:11:39 PMIt needs the council and the police regularly going there and enforcing the parking restrictions in place. They could rake in a fortune in fines down there, and the money could be well spent on bollards or railings next to the park to stop people half-parking on the pavement.
There's a video going around of 2 parking wardens getting battered in Sparkbrook today. Perhaps they just stay away from certain areas..?
It wasn't @Trainbasher or whatever his name is these days, was it?
Quote from: MW on September 05, 2023, 08:15:42 PMThere's a video going around of 2 parking wardens getting battered in Sparkbrook today. Perhaps they just stay away from certain areas..?
It wasn't @Trainbasher or whatever his name is these days, was it?
And the police tend to avoid some of these areas for similar reasons. It's a sad fact that there are a number of no-go areas in Birmingham for those in authority.
I suggest get the army in to sort out these areas, tow way all the cars parked in the way, reroute the buses to go express till decent areas, Create more inner city cross city services so normal honest people don't have to suffer
Quote from: Owen on September 05, 2023, 11:31:52 PMI suggest get the army in to sort out these areas, tow way all the cars parked in the way, reroute the buses to go express till decent areas, Create more inner city cross city services so normal honest people don't have to suffer
Increasing housing rents as well as council tax would be enough to shift them up elsewhere.
Quote from: Mike K on September 05, 2023, 09:35:49 PMIt's a sad fact that there are a number of no-go areas in Birmingham for those in authority.
No such thing as 'no go areas' and to even suggest such is bordering on dangerous.
Quote from: Gareth on September 06, 2023, 04:46:32 PMNo such thing as 'no go areas' and to even suggest such is bordering on dangerous.
I'm afraid there is if you research. Look on YouTube Birmingham no go zones for starters.
Quote from: MW on September 05, 2023, 08:15:42 PMThere's a video going around of 2 parking wardens getting battered in Sparkbrook today. Perhaps they just stay away from certain areas..?
It wasn't @Trainbasher or whatever his name is these days, was it?
West Midlands Police have arrested three individuals in Halesowen for this incident according the Hall Green Police Inspectors account on Twitter. Hopefully that will mean some more proactive enforcement of parking of parking and obstruction on Stratford Road and a message that nowhere in the city is a no go area. Plus should the individuals be charged and convicted, the book is thrown at them, including disqualification from driving which can now be done for non Road Traffic offences.
Quote from: Gareth on September 06, 2023, 04:46:32 PMNo such thing as 'no go areas' and to even suggest such is bordering on dangerous.
Well what would you call it when enforcement officers can't do their mundane job in broad daylight without being attacked because the local residents don't like it?
Quote from: Dylan4579 on September 07, 2023, 03:21:06 PMWell what would you call it when enforcement officers can't do their mundane job in broad daylight without being attacked because the local residents don't like it?
One incident that makes the press, doesn't make it a 'no-go' area.
Tesco are issuing all their staff with bodyworn cameras because of assaults in stores, does that makes all Tescos no go areas.
NXWM revenue inspectors get assaulted occasionally all over the West Midlands, does that make the whole of the West Midlands a 'no-go areae
Z buses confusing inspectors on Moor Street today with their weird fleetnumbers and all over dark grey livery. 'It's on loan' shouted the driver.
As well as the wolverhampton 5 being withdrawn from the 5th November, it appears the 27 is being curtailed to run Yardley Wood to Frankley from the same date. With the sections to the Maypole and Cofton Hackett being withdrawn. As the start and finish point have changed on variation 56.
Vehicle Operator Licensing - GOV.UK (vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk) (https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/616375/)
@John Stait,
None of those are noteworthy, Euro 6 Deckers on City Services.
Quote from: Jack on September 26, 2023, 07:46:54 PM@John Stait,
None of those are noteworthy, Euro 6 Deckers on City Services.
4612 on the 50 is noteworthy. However, ALX400s are more uncommon than rare when on the 50.
Quote from: Jack on September 26, 2023, 07:46:54 PM@John Stait,
None of those are noteworthy, Euro 6 Deckers on City Services.
None of the workings in this thread are noteworthy. Bus on bus service.
Quote from: Ronnoc on September 26, 2023, 08:09:19 PM4612 on the 50 is noteworthy. However, ALX400s are more uncommon than rare when on the 50.
Tridents do appear on the 50, especially in the peaks.
Quote from: MW on September 26, 2023, 08:29:26 PMNone of the workings in this thread are noteworthy. Bus on bus service.
As Tony would say Yardley Wood bus on Yardley Wood service :smiley:
6899 out in service for the first time this year after the arson attack in December.
On the 863 school service
Just curious why are the short journeys on the no 2 traditional Warstock terminus Arlington Grove moving to Oxhill rd, could it linked to complaints for householders. Just curious really.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 15, 2023, 05:12:05 AMJust curious why are the short journeys on the no 2 traditional Warstock terminus Arlington Grove moving to Oxhill rd, could it linked to complaints for householders. Just curious really.
Its just the last journeys of the day, they don't actually terminate at Oxhill Road, they continue on to the bus garage where they finish.
1931 - which wasn't tracking this morning - was already rammed when I got on at Hullbrook Road (0800 journey towards city).
Looking on BusTimes, I am going to assume this was because the 0744 journey did not operate rather than just didn't track, which would explain why it was so full.
Half hour wait for a bus this evening from Auckland Road in Sparkbrook, as a 2, then a 3, then another 2 passed by, all rammed full single decks.
I really hope this next delivery of electrics is going to Yardley Wood so they can start getting rid of these Scanias, because they are really struggling to cope in the evening peaks, especially when people are using the 2 and 3 from city when there are gaps in the 6 services.
Quote from: Stu on November 08, 2023, 07:47:42 PMHalf hour wait for a bus this evening from Auckland Road in Sparkbrook, as a 2, then a 3, then another 2 passed by, all rammed full single decks.
I really hope this next delivery of electrics is going to Yardley Wood so they can start getting rid of these Scanias, because they are really struggling to cope in the evening peaks, especially when people are using the 2 and 3 from city when there are gaps in the 6 services.
I'm hoping for the same at Perry Barr.
Before anybody uses the comment "better than no bus at all", it isn't and never has been
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 08, 2023, 07:59:11 PMI'm hoping for the same at Perry Barr.
Before anybody uses the comment "better than no bus at all", it isn't and never has been
Yes, it may as well be 'no bus' if the bus that turns up can't pick any more passengers up because it is already rammed full!
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 08, 2023, 07:59:11 PMI'm hoping for the same at Perry Barr.
Before anybody uses the comment "better than no bus at all", it isn't and never has been
There's standing room and also has a limit, so yes it is better than no bus at all.
I'd much rather get on a full single than stand and wait in the cold and rain for longer. That's why people carry umbrellas too if you chose to!
Quote from: Jack on November 08, 2023, 10:31:15 PMThere's standing room and also has a limit, so yes it is better than no bus at all.
I'd much rather get on a full single than stand and wait in the cold and rain for longer. That's why people carry umbrellas too if you chose to!
That's true but the issue here is People cannot get on the rammed singles as there too full
Quote from: Jack on November 08, 2023, 10:31:15 PMThere's standing room and also has a limit, so yes it is better than no bus at all.
I'd much rather get on a full single than stand and wait in the cold and rain for longer. That's why people carry umbrellas too if you chose to!
How do you get of full single decker if it goes past you ?
So it is NOT better than no bus at all
If there was no bus at all, then when the decker finally comes along after three missed buses, guess what - it's full and goes sailing past you.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 09, 2023, 05:09:06 AMHow do you get of full single decker if it goes past you ?
So it is NOT better than no bus at all
Simple, be patient and wait, or simply leave earlier than a busy time.
The constant moaning about Singles is getting tiresome, every knows NX have way too many. Unless you are offering to get some more Deckers yourself the only thing you can do is be patient.
Quote from: Jack on November 09, 2023, 01:11:50 PMSimple, be patient and wait, or simply leave earlier than a busy time.
The constant moaning about Singles is getting tiresome, every knows NX have way too many. Unless you are offering to get some more Deckers yourself the only thing you can do is be patient.
Leaving early isn't exactly a option to most who may finish work / meetings at a set time. I also feel like the moaning is warrant for people who pay for a service and feel like there not getting the value they paid for. If they can't board a bus because it's full, there not exactly getting the service they paying for in my opinion.
Quote from: Jack on November 09, 2023, 01:11:50 PMSimple, be patient and wait, or simply leave earlier than a busy time.
The constant moaning about Singles is getting tiresome, every knows NX have way too many. Unless you are offering to get some more Deckers yourself the only thing you can do is be patient.
Completely ignorant comment - "simply" leaving earlier really isn't an option for most people who commute due to work, college, or school. Maybe you'd feel differently if you were impacted day in, day out, by inadequate capacity on your local service.
The "moaning" seems to be working because NX are about to boost double deck capacity on much needed routes. In fact, there should be even more moaning because this city deserves better public transport in general. Double deckers on every city centre route possible should be the very bare minimum.
Luckily I only have to get off at Sparkbrook from town, but I really do feel for the people that have to get off further down, paying money just to be cramped in an Omnilink every day is far from ideal.
Quote from: Jack on November 09, 2023, 01:11:50 PMSimple, be patient and wait, or simply leave earlier than a busy time.
So how long should someone be expected to wait for a bus that isn't full and actually stops to pick passengers up?
That was the issue that I had yesterday, and these kinds of issues do little to help encourage new passengers to use buses more often.
Quote from: Ronnoc on November 09, 2023, 05:32:00 PMThe "moaning" seems to be working because NX are about to boost double deck capacity on much needed routes. In fact, there should be even more moaning because this city deserves better public transport in general. Double deckers on every city centre route possible should be the very bare minimum.
Luckily I only have to get off at Sparkbrook from town, but I really do feel for the people that have to get off further down, paying money just to be cramped in an Omnilink every day is far from ideal.
Perhaps you could set up a company and run double decks in competition?
The single decks are an unfortunate legacy where it made sense to increase frequency because there were enough drivers available to operate the extra vehicles and takings actually covered the cost of running buses. You couldn't just go to a dealer and trade the current single decks for double decks now if you wanted to. The current delay in replacing them is caused by lots of operators switching to electric and the supply chain not keeping up.
Quote from: Tony on November 09, 2023, 05:44:18 PMPerhaps you could set up a company and run double decks in competition?
The single decks are an unfortunate legacy where it made sense to increase frequency because there were enough drivers available to operate the extra vehicles and takings actually covered the cost of running buses. You couldn't just go to a dealer and trade the current single decks for double decks now if you wanted to. The current delay in replacing them is caused by lots of operators switching to electric and the supply chain not keeping up.
Perhaps I could, but I understand the predicament NX is in at the moment and while the issues will take time to resolve, I am optimistic for the future. However, This isn't just an issue with NX, it's an issue with lackluster alternative public transport and car over-dependancy.
Quote from: Ronnoc on November 09, 2023, 05:55:53 PMPerhaps I could, but I understand the predicament NX is in at the moment and while the issues will take time to resolve, I am optimistic for the future. However, This isn't just an issue with NX, it's an issue with lackluster alternative public transport and car over-dependancy.
Yes, It's a problem with higher costs without the ability to raise income easily and staff shortages which affect lots of industries at the moment. You just notice it in buses because that's a service you use. There's plenty of other industries suffering the same
in regards to buses driving past, when i was driving, especially with double deckers, the amount of passengers who wouldnt go upstairs or go sit down and stand between the buggy w/c bay and drivers cab makes it look in the rear view mirror that the bus is full. When they wont shift, and as a driver i used to ask them, but get abuse back, i dont think deckers are always the answer. Tbh if they had the drivers, and the revenue coming in, i think single decks are better and safer without the upstairs.
Quote from: mranon on November 10, 2023, 08:28:20 AMin regards to buses driving past, when i was driving, especially with double deckers, the amount of passengers who wouldnt go upstairs or go sit down and stand between the buggy w/c bay and drivers cab makes it look in the rear view mirror that the bus is full. When they wont shift, and as a driver i used to ask them, but get abuse back, i dont think deckers are always the answer. Tbh if they had the drivers, and the revenue coming in, i think single decks are better and safer without the upstairs.
That really annoys me you know.
I see DDs go past full at the bottom and like 3 people on top.
everyone thinks they're gonna get robbed or something
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on November 11, 2023, 08:58:42 AMThat really annoys me you know.
I see DDs go past full at the bottom and like 3 people on top.
everyone thinks they're gonna get robbed or something
There are some reasons people don't go upstairs, but when it's full at the bottom, passengers should be more convenient and go upstairs, especially if there are seats available up there, everybody's different, but I would rather go and sit upstairs than stand downstairs where it's crowded. It's not necessarily the driver/operators fault when people aren't budging to go up stairs, drivers can only ask.
To be fair, I do feel uncomfortable sitting upstairs (I'm sure I'm not the only one) on my own with a group of people at the back. Hence why I usually sit downstairs.
Downstairs is my go too but if it's busy or full I don't mind going upstairs so their room for people downstairs.
Read about the 49s and 50s being taken off Bells lane due to youth attacks etc.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 15, 2023, 08:42:57 AMRead about the 49s and 50s being taken off Bells lane due to youth attacks etc.
Whereabouts have you seen this news?
EDIT - just seen a post on the NX twitter page
The last 2002 trident running, 4393, passed its MoT yesterday, so should see service in 2024
Quote from: Tony on November 17, 2023, 07:53:43 AMThe last 2002 trident running, 4393, passed its MoT yesterday, so should see service in 2024
Wow that's impressive. I travelled on 4513 on the 20 and it still goes well
I often get annoyed when impatient motorists incorrectly use the right-hand turn lane at the junction of Yardley Wood Road and Wake Green Road to overtake the queue and carry on ahead, so I was a bit surprised this morning when the driver of 1931 on the 2 decided to do this!
Thought initially that we were about to be diverted via College Road to Stratford Road.
@Tony is this considered acceptable driving standards? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Wba_lad on December 10, 2023, 08:51:56 PME003 on the 3 this evening
@Wba_lad E400EVs are often used on the 2 and 3 on Sundays
Quote from: Stu on December 11, 2023, 07:46:56 AM@Wba_lad E400EVs are often used on the 2 and 3 on Sundays
They are the allocated vehicle type for some boards on Sunday to make full use of them,
Good to see 4393 out on the 49 this Boxing Day morning.
I presume YW drivers still like Tridents? There are others out as well today.
Quote from: Justin Tyme on December 26, 2023, 11:10:04 AMGood to see 4393 out on the 49 this Boxing Day morning.
I presume YW drivers still like Tridents? There are others out as well today.
As drivers we get allocated a vehicle so there is no choice as such it's whatever is allocated to even out the mileage.
I'm assuming 4614 will now be withdrawn following its arson attack in Solihull today
QuoteI'm assuming 4614 will now be withdrawn following its arson attack in Solihull today
Just wait for what Tony says, you never know as they say
Quote from: BBS on January 07, 2024, 10:26:25 PMJust wait for what Tony says, you never know as they say
It's got more damage than what 4456 has and Tony withdrew that, I would assume it's a withdrawal, look at age and got to think will it pass another MOT, will it be worth repairing, if Tony keeps it bonus, but if he withdraws I can understand why it's a old bus and is due for withdrawal soon.
Quote from: Wba_lad on January 07, 2024, 10:35:48 PMIt's got more damage than what 4456 has and Tony withdrew that, I would assume it's a withdrawal, look at age and got to think will it pass another MOT, will it be worth repairing, if Tony keeps it bonus, but if he withdraws I can understand why it's a old bus and is due for withdrawal soon.
4614 is Euro 6 4456 wasn't, 4614 would have been in service for a bit longer before it's arson today
I highly doubt it gets repaired, I'd guess that this year was probably its final year in service anyway. Hope nobody was hurt regardless.
At the moment there's enough electric vehicles ready to enter service and displace non-euro 6 vehicles and cover a few additional losses. if something can cover for the meantime it wouldn't be worth bothering l.
I don't think the Electrics will be in service for a while yet.
What even happened does anyone know who started the fire or?
Apparently 4733 had an arson attack yesterday as well
Quote from: frostjay974 on January 08, 2024, 12:30:48 PMApparently 4733 had an arson attack yesterday as well
Out today so it couldn't have been too bad.
Quote from: filbus1 on January 08, 2024, 01:57:42 PMOut today so it couldn't have been too bad.
It hasn't tracked since 10.20am this morning, when it was due to start its first service on the 49.
Quote from: filbus1 on January 08, 2024, 01:57:42 PMOut today so it couldn't have been too bad.
Another false post, it hasn't been out today.
Quote from: winston on January 08, 2024, 02:22:19 PMIt hasn't tracked since 10.20am this morning, when it was due to start its first service on the 49.
Because it was taken out of service part way along the route and the ticket machine wasn't taken off the running board bustimes has picked up the start of the running board programmed in.
It's obvious from checking on bustimes it hasn't actually left the garage as you have seen. I wish people would actually not just rubbish without checking freely available information
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2024, 03:06:00 PMBecause it was taken out of service part way along the route and the ticket machine wasn't taken off the running board bustimes has picked up the start of the running board programmed in.
It's obvious from checking on bustimes it hasn't actually left the garage as you have seen. I wish people would actually not just rubbish without checking freely available information
So had 4733 been involved in a arson attack yes or no?
Quote from: Wba_lad on January 08, 2024, 06:45:55 PMSo had 4733 been involved in a arson attack yes or no?
By the looks of bustimes it shows the vehicle I don't think it has as it was on the Stratford Road in Shirley around 18:48 and coming the other way around 18:54 and arriving at depot around 19:04
Quote from: BNH2004 on January 08, 2024, 06:57:06 PMBy the looks of bustimes it shows the vehicle I don't think it has as it was on the Stratford Road in Shirley around 18:48 and coming the other way around 18:54 and arriving at depot around 19:04
Yes it has.
I presume whatever happened to 4733 wasn't as bad as 4614?
Purely going by BusTimes tracking, 'something' happened to 4733 in Shirley around 18:40.
Then around 19:20 at Solihull, must have been when 4614 was hit.
Hopefully there is CCTV footage to catch the culprits in the act, probably the same ones.
More mindless vandalism from brain-dead morons.
Another arson attack has been reported this time on 4609 which makes it 3 in less than 24 hours and they have all happened on the 49
Quote from: frostjay974 on January 08, 2024, 09:48:59 PMAnother arson attack has been reported this time on 4609 which makes it 3 in less than 24 hours and they have all happened on the 49
Sounds like the same person / persons setting fire to them all too.
Quote from: winston on January 08, 2024, 10:07:48 PMSounds like the same person / persons setting fire to them all too.
all in shirley/solihull too, at this point may as well start curtaling the 49 at maypole when the sun goes down
Didn't they have undercover police on the buses in the past to stop assault and this sort of stuff from happening?
Quote from: frostjay974 on January 08, 2024, 10:33:52 PMDidn't they have undercover police on the buses in the past to stop assault and this sort of stuff from happening?
You can't have an undercover officer traveling around every bus all day, every day just in case someone sets fire to it.
Quote from: Gareth on January 08, 2024, 10:47:53 PMYou can't have an undercover officer traveling around every bus all day, every day just in case someone sets fire to it.
I know you can't have police on every single bus but the whole idea of not knowing who is watching you was there to set a principle of a police officer possibly being on your bus at anytime sort of like how an inspector could come on your bus at anytime to combat fare evasion.
Quote from: frostjay974 on January 08, 2024, 10:58:51 PMI know you can't have police on every single bus but the whole idea of not knowing who is watching you was there to set a principle of a police officer possibly being on your bus at anytime sort of like how an inspector could come on your bus at anytime to combat fare evasion.
CCTV is watching every bus / all of the time.
It shouldn't be too hard to track down who's responsible, they're obviously not bright enough to even use a different route / are setting fire to the buses within a small radius.
Quote from: frostjay974 on January 08, 2024, 10:33:52 PMDidn't they have undercover police on the buses in the past to stop assault and this sort of stuff from happening?
You've been watching too much television
Some people in Birmingham don't know how stupid they really are
When people moan about their bus not turning up consider these figures.
YW have 20 buses not available for service this morning. 7 are due to vandalism 3are due to RTCs where the NX driver was not to blame
Quote from: Tony on January 09, 2024, 07:05:51 AMWhen people moan about their bus not turning up consider these figures.
YW have 20 buses not available for service this morning. 7 are due to vandalism 3are due to RTCs where the NX driver was not to blame
So is it true 4733 and 4609 have been arson attacks.
Quote from: Wba_lad on January 09, 2024, 09:37:56 AMSo is it true 4733 and 4609 have been arson attacks.
Yes, police now have arrested two people
Quote from: Tony on January 09, 2024, 09:50:55 AMYes, police now have arrested two people
Good, I hope they get charged appropriately and not just released on bail because the prisons are full or their age (if they are youths) or whatever, more justice needs to be served for these despicable acts and people need to learn they will pay the consequences for such crimes and won't just get away with it like too many people have done in the past!
Quote from: Tony on January 09, 2024, 09:50:55 AMYes, police now have arrested two people
Jesus, why do they do it, I would never dream of doing anything like that. Glad they've got them, are the damages serious and will any of them return to service?
https://www.facebook.com/100063646655332/posts/pfbid0EkxSDDcQ48J8zLtk2GS1GHA1QarS2jDMTj3kKjZeEepwEBkjduEsiezZdQ4wikLEl/?app=fbl
Report about the arrests
Quote from: Tony on January 09, 2024, 04:12:09 PMhttps://www.facebook.com/100063646655332/posts/pfbid0EkxSDDcQ48J8zLtk2GS1GHA1QarS2jDMTj3kKjZeEepwEBkjduEsiezZdQ4wikLEl/?app=fbl
Report about the arrests
I was reading that just now, 17 year old, what on earth is wrong with them.
How bad is the damage on 4609?
I heard on the news apparently 4 buses have been involved any ideas of the 4th one I know 4614,4609 and 4733 but didn't think a 4th was involved untill heard it on the radio.
Quote from: Wba_lad on January 09, 2024, 05:39:42 PMI heard on the news apparently 4 buses have been involved any ideas of the 4th one I know 4614,4609 and 4733 but didn't think a 4th was involved untill heard it on the radio.
The fourth one was only 'attempted arson' and is not fire damaged.
No doubt this saga has caused a stir at YW, that's 3 euro 6 vehicles knocked offline in one day. Could we perhaps see some buses reinstated from withdrawal to cover?
Quote from: Tony on January 09, 2024, 06:09:04 PMThe fourth one was only 'attempted arson' and is not fire damaged.
Oh I see thankyou, at least they was caught before it happened.
Apparently on the radio I think 7 Buses have been set on fire over the last week or two. 3 were definitely attacked. One was attempted how about the other two assuming they were NX
Quote from: Tony on January 09, 2024, 04:12:09 PMhttps://www.facebook.com/100063646655332/posts/pfbid0EkxSDDcQ48J8zLtk2GS1GHA1QarS2jDMTj3kKjZeEepwEBkjduEsiezZdQ4wikLEl/?app=fbl
Report about the arrests
For the benefit of those not on Facebook:
https://www.west-midlands.police.uk/news/two-arrested-after-buses-set-fire-solihull
3 other fires, does the 49 go through any rough areas particularly. Looking at the three that were set on fire most around Sharmans Cross. I know Chelmsley Wood is a rough area. Apparently Solihull and Sheldon is quiet nice
Quote from: Tony on January 09, 2024, 06:09:04 PMThe fourth one was only 'attempted arson' and is not fire damaged.
Yeah there was only a little burn mark on the fourth and a passenger managed to put it out
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on January 09, 2024, 08:09:35 PM3 other fires, does the 49 go through any rough areas particularly. Looking at the three that were set on fire most around Sharmans Cross. I know Chelmsley Wood is a rough area. Apparently Solihull and Sheldon is quiet nice
It goes through Kings Norton south and Druids Heath (statistically the most deprived area in Birmingham). I believe an arson took place around one of those areas in 2019, which caused considerable damage to 4554.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on January 09, 2024, 08:09:35 PM3 other fires, does the 49 go through any rough areas particularly. Looking at the three that were set on fire most around Sharmans Cross. I know Chelmsley Wood is a rough area. Apparently Solihull and Sheldon is quiet nice
I'm not entertaining any discussions on 'rough areas'.
Solihull might be considered to be a 'nice area' but that's where these buses have been targetted.
This is down to 'people', not 'areas'.
Quote from: Stu on January 09, 2024, 08:28:22 PMI'm not entertaining any discussions on 'rough areas'.
Solihull might be considered to be a 'nice area' but that's where these buses have been targetted.
This is down to 'people', not 'areas'.
Yes as Darlaston used to get a rep but to me the people are top class proper salt of the earth people but it had asb on the 34 around Rough Hay, 39 around Herberts Park and on the 79 a couple of years ago that made National news when that girl was attacked. But I often think like Blakenall it does depend on the area. Darlaston has improved by adding more stuff for people to do, but Blakenall hasn't hence some of the people there find smashing up Buses fun
4609 & 4733 have both now been repaired, and are both out in service, 4733 is not tracking though
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on January 09, 2024, 08:09:35 PM3 other fires, does the 49 go through any rough areas particularly. Looking at the three that were set on fire most around Sharmans Cross. I know Chelmsley Wood is a rough area. Apparently Solihull and Sheldon is quiet nice
Almost every time I get the 49 from Longbridge to Solihull, I have the nicest and quietest journey on the top deck... Then you get to Solihull Lodge and Haslucks Green and it just becomes a riot! So no, Shirley and Solihull aren't that posh - I hate going over there, but I have to because of family.
Quote from: tufwum on January 10, 2024, 02:17:20 PMAlmost every time I get the 49 from Longbridge to Solihull, I have the nicest and quietest journey on the top deck... Then you get to Solihull Lodge and Haslucks Green and it just becomes a riot! So no, Shirley and Solihull aren't that posh - I hate going over there, but I have to because of family.
I have family who I have never met from there. Had things worked out differently I may have lived there, but from what I saw of it on Tele and stuff and heard it was quite nice obviously not. But I guess it's like every other area in the Country good bits and bad bits. Anyway bringing it on target, would NX want to fine the inviduals for repairs to damage 4609, 4733 and possibly 4614.
Quote from: tufwum on January 10, 2024, 02:17:20 PMAlmost every time I get the 49 from Longbridge to Solihull, I have the nicest and quietest journey on the top deck... Then you get to Solihull Lodge and Haslucks Green and it just becomes a riot! So no, Shirley and Solihull aren't that posh - I hate going over there, but I have to because of family.
Without wishing to derail this thread further, large parts of Solihull include some of the most affluent parts of the West Midlands and it's no coincidence that it's one of the most expensive places to live in the West Midlands. So generally speaking, most people would consider it "posh".
That's not to say that all youths who live there are well behaved, or indeed that everyone who catches a bus there lives there.
Quote from: Mike K on January 10, 2024, 07:19:33 PMWithout wishing to derail this thread further, large parts of Solihull include some of the most affluent parts of the West Midlands and it's no coincidence that it's one of the most expensive places to live in the West Midlands. So generally speaking, most people would consider it "posh".
That's not to say that all youths who live there are well behaved, or indeed that everyone who catches a bus there lives there.
plenty of low life's about with money these days living in affluent areas, and plenty of honest hard working folks in less desirable areas
4590 broken down in Kings Heath, on the 76.
4567 is out on the 18 this afternoon id anyone needs to find it now at YW
According to Bustimes no electrics in service today, is this usual for a Sunday or a one off ?
Quote from: Mayfield on February 04, 2024, 06:34:59 PMAccording to Bustimes no electrics in service today, is this usual for a Sunday or a one off ?
Hopefully: new charging equipment installation is being worked on at a quiet time.
Hopefully not: some sort of power issue
Quote from: Mayfield on February 04, 2024, 06:34:59 PMAccording to Bustimes no electrics in service today, is this usual for a Sunday or a one off ?
It is hopefully just a one-off, they are usually used on the 2, 3 and 6 on Sundays.
That does explain why I saw Omnilinks on the 2 and 3 today, which itself is unusual for a Sunday!
Just seen 6907 in West Brom, heading to West Bromwich garage for MOT I should say
I've seen E018 at Coventry depot any ideas why it's there I heard it was removed so will this be added back to service?
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 09, 2024, 06:38:20 PMI've seen E018 at Coventry depot any ideas why it's there I heard it was removed so will this be added back to service?
There till zenobe deal with them.
Quote from: JosephR on February 09, 2024, 06:42:06 PMThere till zenobe deal with them.
Zenobe don't need to 'deal with them' They are all fully fit and available for use if Zenobe lease them to anybody
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 09, 2024, 06:38:20 PMI've seen E018 at Coventry depot any ideas why it's there I heard it was removed so will this be added back to service?
Please browse through other threads here and use the search function, so many of your questions have been asked and answered already elsewhere.
Quote from: Tony on February 09, 2024, 06:48:58 PMZenobe don't need to 'deal with them' They are all fully fit and available for use if Zenobe lease them to anybody
So they've been
dealt with. Therefore fit for use and return to NX.
Quote from: JosephR on February 09, 2024, 07:22:13 PMSo they've been dealt with. Therefore fit for use and return to NX.
They are not NX buses, they could be leased to any operator
Quote from: Tony on February 09, 2024, 07:24:03 PMThey are not NX buses, they could be leased to any operator
Silly question and hope not taken wrong for anything but would zenobe not take the Z batch buses back so national express can have their branded vehicles back or is it more complicated than that,
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 09, 2024, 07:27:21 PMSilly question and hope not taken wrong for anything but would zenobe not take the Z batch buses back so national express can have their branded vehicles back or is it more complicated than that,
Maybe they will, maybe they won't.
Zenobe have a contract with NX Bus to provide xx amount of electric buses which can be used in active service.
The Z-numbered ones could be considered as 'spares', which can be exchanged with NX Bus as and when needed.
E004, E017 and E018 were taken out of the NX fleet, and replaced with Z4001, Z4006 and Z4007.
NX Bus still have the same number of electric buses, and Zenobe still have the same number of 'spares', thus the agreed contract is being fulfilled.
NX Bus don't actually 'own' these vehicles, they have them as part of an "electric Transport as a service" delivery model:
https://www.zenobe.com/insights-and-guides/is-electric-transport-as-a-service-etaas-the-future-for-fleet-electrification/
https://www.zenobe.com/case-studies/national-express-yardley-wood/
Is Yardley Wood garage the only one that is owned by NX? as all the rest are rented out apparently
Quote from: frostjay974 on February 10, 2024, 03:07:41 PMIs Yardley Wood garage the only one that is owned by NX? as all the rest are rented out apparently
Isn't the new Perry Barr site owned by NX?
Quote from: frostjay974 on February 10, 2024, 03:07:41 PMIs Yardley Wood garage the only one that is owned by NX? as all the rest are rented out apparently
YW and WB were sold and leased back in 2018. YW has since been sold on at a profit to another company.
https://www.atlasre.co.uk/sales/west-midlands-travel-ltd-sale-leasebacks-west-bromwich-yardley-wood/
Z4007 appears to have done a run of the 11A with Mr. Fitchew providing a running commentary of the history of the bus route.
Quote from: cardew on February 11, 2024, 07:19:02 AMYW and WB were sold and leased back in 2018. YW has since been sold on at a profit to another company.
https://www.atlasre.co.uk/sales/west-midlands-travel-ltd-sale-leasebacks-west-bromwich-yardley-wood/
is there a thread or post etc on NXWM assets buses buildings anything else relavant, who owns/leases what etc
Saw 4567 in town about 20 mins ago with some NX staff inside, wonder what it was doing.
1921 on the 2 to Birmingham deviated from its main route, turning right to Chinn Brook Road before turning left on to Trittiford Road before returning to YW road. Is there a reason why it did that?
Quote from: Ronnoc on March 08, 2024, 12:29:50 PM1921 on the 2 to Birmingham deviated from its main route, turning right to Chinn Brook Road before turning left on to Trittiford Road before returning to YW road. Is there a reason why it did that?
Yes, Yardley Wood Road has been closed all morning.
Drivers don't do diversions like that without a reason
Thanks for the clarification. The reason why I was wondering was because I walked towards the Billesley Common bus stop only to find the road closure had disappeared alongside a 17XX Omnilink passing by on the 2 to Maypole on normal route. I got some extra steps in at the very least.
Quote from: Ronnoc on March 08, 2024, 02:26:11 PMThanks for the clarification. The reason why I was wondering was because I walked towards the Billesley Common bus stop only to find the road closure had disappeared alongside a 17XX Omnilink passing by on the 2 to Maypole on normal route. I got some extra steps in at the very least.
It was shut from 09:02 until 10:05 due to a serious RTC between two cars
Quote from: Tony on March 08, 2024, 04:12:23 PMIt was shut from 09:02 until 10:05 due to a serious RTC between two cars
There was also a smash on Stoney Lane, just after 8:30am, which meant the 2 and 3 had to be diverted.
All I saw was some car speeding incredibly fast in the other direction, then we all heard a loud smash behind us. Looking back out the window, just saw a black car with the front end badly crumpled on the corner of Ivor Road, couldn't see the other one that had been speeding.
Front and rear CCTV cameras on 1948 would have caught everything.
There were two near-misses I counted yesterday evening. Far too many maniacs driving dangerously on our roads.
Quote from: Ronnoc on March 08, 2024, 12:29:50 PM1921 on the 2 to Birmingham deviated from its main route, turning right to Chinn Brook Road before turning left on to Trittiford Road before returning to YW road. Is there a reason why it did that?
Scheduled diversion:
https://x.com/nxwestmidlands/status/1765980820659904572?s=20
I had cause to make a complaint to NXWM the other morning after being unable to get on the 3 due to it being full, because the previous journey had failed to operate.
As part of the response I received today, the following gave me a glimmer of hope.
QuoteThe garage has also said that they are in the process of changing some single deckers around and having more double deckers brought in. Hopefully you will see some improvements in the near future.
@OH25, Tridents aren't noteworthy on the 50. They do appear quite often.
Timetable? Meh. What's 5 minutes early between friends?
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/tnxb-6907#journeys/559117333
Does anyone know why E004, E017 and E018 were swapped with some of the Zenobe spares?
Quote from: TGZac on April 05, 2024, 05:42:40 PMDoes anyone know why E004, E017 and E018 were swapped with some of the Zenobe spares?
Not sure, but I know they are or was parked at Coventry garage if they still are I'm not sure.
Quote from: TGZac on April 05, 2024, 05:42:40 PMDoes anyone know why E004, E017 and E018 were swapped with some of the Zenobe spares?
Because that's how the contract works.
Zenobe can swap out any vehicle they wish
Quote from: Tony on April 05, 2024, 06:12:53 PMBecause that's how the contract works.
Zenobe can swap out any vehicle they wish
Im sure that, ultimately is the case, but I can't imagine this would happen without very good reason, and no doubt NXWM would be involved in that decision, if not instigate the discussion. No doubt the actual reasoning for this particular decision is commercial in confidence but I'd hazard a guess it would be something like the batteries deteriorating and causing maintenance/operational issues.
Quote from: don on April 05, 2024, 06:41:29 PMIm sure that, ultimately is the case, but I can't imagine this would happen without very good reason, and no doubt NXWM would be involved in that decision, if not instigate the discussion. No doubt the actual reasoning for this particular decision is commercial in confidence but I'd hazard a guess it would be something like the batteries deteriorating and causing maintenance/operational issues.
No, Zenobe wanted three of the Z fleet into service. The three E buses are parked in Coventry garage yard fully operational with no defects.
Quote from: Tony on April 05, 2024, 06:49:48 PMNo, Zenobe wanted three of the Z fleet into service. The three E buses are parked in Coventry garage yard fully operational with no defects.
Ok - I'm v surprised - couldn't they be pressed into service somewhere (eg BC), replace Euro 6 and enable them to be cascaded to replace non Euro 6 somewhere? I guess there are many reasons why not, and if necessary could cover as maintenance spares at CV if necessary - presumably why they're stored there.
Quote from: don on April 05, 2024, 07:05:11 PMOk - I'm v surprised - couldn't they be pressed into service somewhere (eg BC), replace Euro 6 and enable them to be cascaded to replace non Euro 6 somewhere? I guess there are many reasons why not, and if necessary could cover as maintenance spares at CV if necessary - presumably why they're stored there.
No again sorry, although parked at Coventry it is only because there's room to park them there, along with one of the Z buses, the other 4 Z buses are at Roberts. All are part of Zenobe's reserve now and if anyone wants to use them including NX then they have to pay Zenobe's spot hire fee. If they could be pressed into service anywhere then E163 upwards would be in service.
Quote from: Tony on April 05, 2024, 06:49:48 PMNo, Zenobe wanted three of the Z fleet into service. The three E buses are parked in Coventry garage yard fully operational with no defects.
That's reassuring to know.
I assume then that Zenobe just would like these 'spare' vehicles to just 'rack up' some service mileage rather than just being sat around doing nothing.
(I believe the phrase is "getting your money's worth out of them"!)
Presumably at some point then, Zenobe will recall the current three back from NX Bus, and then provide another three to do the same again.
Quote from: Tony on April 05, 2024, 07:22:37 PMNo again sorry, although parked at Coventry it is only because there's room to park them there, along with one of the Z buses, the other 4 Z buses are at Roberts. All are part of Zenobe's reserve now and if anyone wants to use them including NX then they have to pay Zenobe's spot hire fee. If they could be pressed into service anywhere then E163 upwards would be in service.
Is there any connection between Roberts & Zenobe?
Quote from: winston on April 05, 2024, 09:50:10 PMIs there any connection between Roberts & Zenobe?
No, just Roberts have a huge secure piece of land and are willing to let people park buses there for a fee. Green Bus/Busworks have used them as well
Seems to go unnoticed on here the currently unacceptable reliability of the 49 and 76 services caused by the constant breaking down of 20 year old Tridents.
I know the 'Electric buses are delayed' excuse will be wheeled out - but the question is How much longer will this daily farce go on at the expense of providing a reliable service for the public?
Quote from: Straightlines on April 23, 2024, 03:53:26 PMSeems to go unnoticed on here the currently unacceptable reliability of the 49 and 76 services caused by the constant breaking down of 20 year old Tridents.
I know the 'Electric buses are delayed' excuse will be wheeled out - but the question is How much longer will this daily farce go on at the expense of providing a reliable service for the public?
Yardley Wood generally lose around 0.5% of mileage due to engineering (breakdowns or No bus available) below the industry average. DVSA expect a minimum of 99% to run
Quote from: Tony on April 23, 2024, 04:21:07 PMYardley Wood generally lose around 0.5% of mileage due to engineering (breakdowns or No bus available) below the industry average. DVSA expect a minimum of 99% to run
It would be interesting to know the figures specifically for the 49 and 76, as these are the routes the OP mentioned. Yesterday morning according to the tracking there were 3 buses missing on the 76. I know myself from waiting that the 11:26 journey from Q.E. failed to operate. I am also informed that 4609 was broken down at West Heath island earlier tonight.
Quote from: Marge559 on April 23, 2024, 09:05:08 PMIt would be interesting to know the figures specifically for the 49 and 76, as these are the routes the OP mentioned. Yesterday morning according to the tracking there were 3 buses missing on the 76. I know myself from waiting that the 11:26 journey from Q.E. failed to operate. I am also informed that 4609 was broken down at West Heath island earlier tonight.
Not all 'missing journies' are breakdowns. YW had two vandalism broken windows yesterday
QuoteNot all 'missing journies' are breakdowns. YW had two vandalism broken windows yesterday
It can happen on any route, but I've experienced (and posted!) about this on the 76, so yes these are alos other factors.
There's also RTCs (like BC 6852 today, but that would bring this thread off topic).
Quote from: Marge559 on April 23, 2024, 09:05:08 PMIt would be interesting to know the figures specifically for the 49 and 76, as these are the routes the OP mentioned. Yesterday morning according to the tracking there were 3 buses missing on the 76. I know myself from waiting that the 11:26 journey from Q.E. failed to operate. I am also informed that 4609 was broken down at West Heath island earlier tonight.
In addition to this there are certain buses that don't track on bustimes so it could look like certain journeys are not running when in fact they are, not saying this is what has happened in this instance.