Is Bordsley Green Garage the Smallest Garage In Birmingham Becuase I went in there today & Birmingham Central Garage and Bordsley look extremely small like it could only fit 30 buses in there.
Birmingham was quite Big but not as big as Wolverhampton 8) 8)
Yes, Bordesley Green is NXWM's smallest garage. I think they only operate three routes, the 8A/C, 17 and 55.
Though So, so why canrt they close down BY and tansfer them routes to BC then theres more stoage spcae for NXWM if its needed but then BC would over fill 8)
Does anyone know the reason why 1584 transferred from West Brom to Bordesley as it's an older type of merc which they dont have was it due to a shortage of vehicles or a temp measure before the omnilinks arrive for the 17
Quote from: thetruth on April 13, 2012, 10:11:19 PM
Or 1693 which was withdrawn. One of the two seems likely
Thanks for info
Look like being Bordesley's allocation when the current changes have taken place. Cannot be many garages anywhere in the country where the entire allocation is one vehicle type all consequetively numbered
So at Perry Barr when the enviro400 return it will mean some of the liberators will stay and not be withdrawn? and the dundee omnilinks will stay sending 4 of the toothpaste omnilinks to BY i assume. Will this mean the remaining mercs from BY will go to WB/PE and WN and possibly Coventry
Quote from: Ash on August 21, 2012, 08:01:41 PM
So at Perry Barr when the enviro400 return it will mean some of the liberators will stay and not be withdrawn? and the dundee omnilinks will stay sending 4 of the toothpaste omnilinks to BY i assume.
2 B10L withdrawn
4 Scania (1833-1836) to BY
Copyright Mr Hunter
The Mercs are fast being debranded from the 8. seemed more Mercs than usual on the 55/55A today. After the large numbers at LH and BY, it will be strange not having them around Saltley anymore. I like the Omnilinks, but to me they do seem a little cramped on the inside compared to the Mercs and even the B10L's.
Ive noticed on a few of the omnilinks the dents on the roof at the back of the bus wear people have hit their heads on the ceiling due to the seats at the rear being so high and the room isnt great but have to admit i have begin to like the omnilinks they seem to have more character than the newer eclipses especially when it comes to engine sounds.
So how will the rest of the B10L's at Perry Barr be replaced, as after the 2 are withdrawn, by my counting, there will be 14 left?
The same goes with Yardley Wood and Walsall. Will it be with the new deliveries if there are some late this year or early next year?
Quote from: Tony on August 21, 2012, 07:47:15 PM
Look like being Bordesley's allocation when the current changes have taken place. Cannot be many garages anywhere in the country where the entire allocation is one vehicle type all consequetively numbered
When BY opened, wasn't the allocation MB's 1660 - 1702 consecutively, all ex Hockley?
Quote from: Ossie on August 22, 2012, 09:19:07 PM
When BY opened, wasn't the allocation MB's 1660 - 1702 consecutively, all ex Hockley?
Yes, only with the exception of 1680 which went to West Brom in 2004.
Quote from: John-s-91 on August 21, 2012, 08:20:31 PM
So how will the rest of the B10L's at Perry Barr be replaced, as after the 2 are withdrawn, by my counting, there will be 14 left?
The same goes with Yardley Wood and Walsall. Will it be with the new deliveries if there are some late this year or early next year?
Slight change of plan, looks like only one B10L to go now, 1480, 1463 is being kept, only one not in NX livery
The Dundee Scanias are on pretty much any PB Scania route now. One last sunday caused a delay in City Centre on the 66 when it took the driver and an inspector about 10mins to change the ticket roll. A lot of cursing and guesswork got it working!
Quote from: thetruth on August 23, 2012, 06:53:12 PM
Do the YW B10L stay on the 27 nowadays or do they sneak into the City Centre occasionally?
Not really any more, well not that I've seen. They have stayed on the 27 lately.
There was one on the 6 the other evening! 8)
Shame 1480 is going, one of my favs (although sounded rather rough last time i rode it so can understand why)
Tony,
Your pics of 1802, 1806 and 1807 show these Omnilinks still in Coventry with 'NX Coventry' logos; I presume these were just temporary then, and they'll be returning to BY soon? (and have the correct logos reapplied, or even repainted?)
(I hope so, then it will stop the excited squeals from the girls on the NXC Facebook page whenever they spot one! ;D)
Quote from: Stu on August 26, 2012, 10:35:29 AM
Tony,
Your pics of 1802, 1806 and 1807 show these Omnilinks still in Coventry with 'NX Coventry' logos; I presume these were just temporary then, and they'll be returning to BY soon? (and have the correct logos reapplied, or even repainted?)
(I hope so, then it will stop the excited squeals from the girls on the NXC Facebook page whenever they spot one! ;D)
They will return as soon as Coventry get 4837-42 back on the road
1796 & 1797 showing "not in in service" seen heading over the Queslett towards Birmingham today at around 1.00pm
Presumably being returned following their spell at Walsall.
Have all of the borrowed scanias Walsall had gone to BY yet or will a few still be used at Walsall until all the enviro 400's are back on the road. Does any one know where for definite the BY mercs will be going.
Quote from: Ash on August 26, 2012, 10:29:05 PM
Have all of the borrowed scanias Walsall had gone to BY yet or will a few still be used at Walsall until all the enviro 400's are back on the road. Does any one know where for definite the BY mercs will be going.
I don't know if they have all the Scanias have left now, but all of Walsall's Enviros are now back in service
Quote from: thetruth on August 27, 2012, 10:12:03 PM
These changes will give Bordesley the newest fleet at an average age of 4 years and 10 months. Average of the whole fleet is 8 years and 5 months old.
BY will then only have 3 of its fleet in NX livery (1790, 1792 & 1833)
Which routes do BY run?
Quote from: the #trainbasher on September 04, 2013, 12:51:26 PM
Which routes do BY run?
8A, 8C, 17, 55 and 55A
Also, how many Omnilinks are not in NXWM livery at Bordesley?
Quote from: John on September 04, 2013, 12:55:33 PM
Also, how many Omnilinks are not in NXWM livery at Bordesley?
1788, 1789, 1791, 1793, 1794, 1797, 1800 are refurbished
Whilst 1790, 1792 & 1833 are also in NX livery but un-refurbished
With 1817 & 1827 currently in the paintshop
37 left to do
Only just noticed that the 17 has gone back to the route it followed in the year 2000 to tile cross. Any other BY routes simalar too this ?
Do you mean it's changed to go straight ahead from the Radleys under the other rail bridge or it goes left past the Airparks depot to the terminus, because it's done that second one for a very long time now.
Not sure of the roads it took etc, found a timetable telling me about the 17 to Tile Cross, one with the 14 to Marston Green I think and the 14A ran to C'Wood, I found a fair few
Quote from: John on August 23, 2012, 06:56:07 PM
Quote from: thetruth on August 23, 2012, 06:53:12 PM
Do the YW B10L stay on the 27 nowadays or do they sneak into the City Centre occasionally?
Not really any more, well not that I've seen. They have stayed on the 27 lately.
There was also one on the 2 all day some time during the summer
Noticed a very large selection of ominilinks with shiny rims will they be the next in for a repiant I imagine ?
Garages do paint the wheels every now and again. Something that seems to be happening more often recently.
Quote from: Gareth on October 03, 2013, 12:53:01 AM
Garages do paint the wheels every now and again. Something that seems to be happening more often recently.
.
Aren't they painted for MOTs
Quote from: John on October 03, 2013, 11:34:14 AM
Quote from: Gareth on October 03, 2013, 12:53:01 AM
Garages do paint the wheels every now and again. Something that seems to be happening more often recently.
.
Aren't they painted for MOTs
Possibly, if new tyres have been fitted
Is it just me or does the 17 only display
17 Birmingham
Via Hobs Moor Road
and nothing else, as yesterday whilst in Tile Cross I didnt see it change
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 17, 2013, 11:01:01 AM
Is it just me or does the 17 only display
17 Birmingham
Via Hobs Moor Road
and nothing else, as yesterday whilst in Tile Cross I didnt see it change
It used to say via St. Andrews Retail Park, along with the 58 which also used to display this.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9209816690/
It also used to say via Yew Tree,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8614245740/
but I think now it only shows Via Hob Moor Road
Quote from: John on October 17, 2013, 03:46:36 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 17, 2013, 11:01:01 AM
Is it just me or does the 17 only display
17 Birmingham
Via Hobs Moor Road
and nothing else, as yesterday whilst in Tile Cross I didnt see it change
It used to say via St. Andrews Retail Park, along with the 58 which also used to display this.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9209816690/
It also used to say via Yew Tree,
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8614245740/
but I think now it only shows Via Hob Moor Road
It still does have the Retail Park on there
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10309894325/in/photostream/
But when I was there it didnt change over or nothing :-\
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 19, 2013, 06:35:26 PM
It still does have the Retail Park on there
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10309894325/in/photostream/
But when I was there it didnt change over or nothing :-\
That may just be an odd one that has not had the display updated, but I'm pretty sure they don't display that any more
Dang.
Bordesley Green garage has got to be the most boring garage in the network.
When is the next time something truly interesting is going to go on there?
What's the next model due to be delivered to Boredesley?
Do you reckon they'll ever operate B7RLE's?
Quote from: John on October 19, 2013, 06:41:59 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 19, 2013, 06:35:26 PM
It still does have the Retail Park on there
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10309894325/in/photostream/
But when I was there it didnt change over or nothing :-\
That may just be an odd one that has not had the display updated, but I'm pretty sure they don't display that any more
Yew tree was on 1824
www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10310064583/
St Andrews Retail Prk is on 1819
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10310066523/
but im certain they dont change over on the display
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 19, 2013, 06:43:53 PM
Dang.
Bordesley Green garage has got to be the most boring garage in the network.
When is the next time something truly interesting is going to go on there?
What's the next model due to be delivered to Boredesley?
Do you reckon they'll ever operate B7RLE's?
Would be nice to see a few B7RLE run on the 17, I quite like BY as its the only garage to operate one type of bus :) soon it will be the 2nd garage to have all buses in the NXWM livery
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 19, 2013, 06:51:31 PM
Soon it will be the 2nd garage to have all buses in the NXWM livery
God knows perhaps PN is going to be next after AG, as they got 9 fleets that is in the TWM livery.
Quote from: Sayeed_M on October 19, 2013, 08:03:06 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 19, 2013, 06:51:31 PM
Soon it will be the 2nd garage to have all buses in the NXWM livery
God knows perhaps PN is going to be next after AG, as they got 9 fleets that is in the TWM livery.
It can't be PN because seven of the 9 are mercs, which NX have stopped repainting
Quote from: Dylan4579 on October 19, 2013, 08:10:39 PM
Quote from: Sayeed_M on October 19, 2013, 08:03:06 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 19, 2013, 06:51:31 PM
Soon it will be the 2nd garage to have all buses in the NXWM livery
God knows perhaps PN is going to be next after AG, as they got 9 fleets that is in the TWM livery.
It can't be PN because seven of the 9 are mercs, which NX have stopped repainting
You are neglecting the fact that buses get withdrawn. Especially older ones like Mercs.
It could be PE with their current fleet, but you forget that the Tridents, probably, that will replace some more Mercs won't all come in the NXWM livery
From Thursday 31st October Bordesley's entire fleet will be free from all window etching and outside panel damage. Any that does occur will be repaired immediately as per Birmingham City Transport tradition.
All vehicles will be fitted with improved video equipment which will always be working
Hopefully the first of 10 garages to get this treatment
Excellent news. :-)
An admirable aim..........if they are only 40% as good as BCT it will be one of the best fleets in the country.
Probably churlish to nit -pick but PLEASE stop this hideous branding of the fleet at the same time.
A quick thought. To remove window etching, is that done by replacing the window? That won't be an easy task with a fleet of bonded window buses.
Quote from: Gareth on October 26, 2013, 01:41:01 PM
A quick thought. To remove window etching, is that done by replacing the window? That won't be an easy task with a fleet of bonded window buses.
Most etching can be polished out. A thin protective plastic is then put on which is changed when damaged
Quote from: Tony on October 26, 2013, 01:57:46 PM
Quote from: Gareth on October 26, 2013, 01:41:01 PM
A quick thought. To remove window etching, is that done by replacing the window? That won't be an easy task with a fleet of bonded window buses.
Most etching can be polished out. A thin protective plastic is then put on which is changed when damaged
Would this be the same protective plastic that a) I normally see slowly peeling off windows and helped on its way by the locals and b) I have noticed a lot recently on the front upstairs windows on PBs deckers that don't actually fit the entire window?
Can't they also put the serial numbers in the same place on each vehicle as per the old BCT tradition!!?
Bordesley are now using the font that the buses at BC, PB, and AG are using. I got on a 55 earlier and the display is different now.
Quote from: JB93 on November 03, 2013, 11:15:53 PM
Bordesley are now using the font that the buses at BC, PB, and AG are using. I got on a 55 earlier and the display is different now.
And the 8 has lowercase letters now.
Has anyone seen 1792 lately? It's the only one between 1788 - 1803 that isn't refurbished or going through refurbishment
Saw 1792 today. Still unrefurbed.
Having looked through some older topics in The Archive, has Bordesley Green still got the youngest fleet? (I ask as I don't expect new E400's to adjust the averages by that much)
I wouldn't mind Pete (uniquicity) having another look at the average age of fleets again.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 19, 2013, 12:03:06 PM
Having looked through some older topics in The Archive, has Bordesley Green still got the youngest fleet? (I ask as I don't expect new E400's to adjust the averages by that much)
I wouldn't mind Pete (uniquicity) having another look at the average age of fleets again.
BY should still have the youngest fleet and be approaching 6 years average now.
But I should imagine that BC & PB (once all 26 x E400's are delivered) will now be getting closer to BY at 7-8 years
Quote from: Winston on November 19, 2013, 12:13:04 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 19, 2013, 12:03:06 PM
Having looked through some older topics in The Archive, has Bordesley Green still got the youngest fleet? (I ask as I don't expect new E400's to adjust the averages by that much)
I wouldn't mind Pete (uniquicity) having another look at the average age of fleets again.
BY should still have the youngest fleet and be approaching 6 years average now.
But I should imagine that BC & PB (once all 26 x E400's are delivered) will now be getting closer to BY at 7-8 years
I'll have a look at my spreadsheet when I get home, currently at work ;)
Quote from: uniquicity on November 19, 2013, 12:52:41 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 19, 2013, 12:13:04 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 19, 2013, 12:03:06 PM
Having looked through some older topics in The Archive, has Bordesley Green still got the youngest fleet? (I ask as I don't expect new E400's to adjust the averages by that much)
I wouldn't mind Pete (uniquicity) having another look at the average age of fleets again.
BY should still have the youngest fleet and be approaching 6 years average now.
But I should imagine that BC & PB (once all 26 x E400's are delivered) will now be getting closer to BY at 7-8 years
I'll have a look at my spreadsheet when I get home, currently at work ;)
Cheers Pete, its appreciated. I presume you've added the new additions already?
Looks like the 55 Branding will remain on 1807-1816 when they each get refurbished and repainted :)
Once again, I am lost with the number of OmniLinks at Bordesley in NX livery. I am surprised how quickly they are getting through them. Does anyone have a list of ones in NX livery/TWM livery
:D
Quote from: John on March 05, 2014, 09:59:17 PM
Once again, I am lost with the number of OmniLinks at Bordesley in NX livery. I am surprised how quickly they are getting through them. Does anyone have a list of ones in NX livery/TWM livery
:D
Try
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/1750-1953.html
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 05, 2014, 10:01:20 PM
Quote from: John on March 05, 2014, 09:59:17 PM
Once again, I am lost with the number of OmniLinks at Bordesley in NX livery. I am surprised how quickly they are getting through them. Does anyone have a list of ones in NX livery/TWM livery
:D
Try
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/1750-1953.html
Ta Stu, that is a help. Don't know why I didn't look there in the first place :)
Quote from: John on March 05, 2014, 10:05:36 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 05, 2014, 10:01:20 PM
Quote from: John on March 05, 2014, 09:59:17 PM
Once again, I am lost with the number of OmniLinks at Bordesley in NX livery. I am surprised how quickly they are getting through them. Does anyone have a list of ones in NX livery/TWM livery
:D
Try
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/1750-1953.html
Ta Stu, that is a help. Don't know why I didn't look there in the first place :)
John, that doesn't give a true picture, as some are yet to be photographed by Tony since being repainted.
1788-1805/1808/1810/1811/1813/1817/1824/1827 & 1833 are all in NX livery, 1822 is currently in the paintshop along with others no doubt
Quote from: Winston on March 05, 2014, 10:29:31 PM
Quote from: John on March 05, 2014, 10:05:36 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 05, 2014, 10:01:20 PM
Quote from: John on March 05, 2014, 09:59:17 PM
Once again, I am lost with the number of OmniLinks at Bordesley in NX livery. I am surprised how quickly they are getting through them. Does anyone have a list of ones in NX livery/TWM livery
:D
Try
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/1750-1953.html
Ta Stu, that is a help. Don't know why I didn't look there in the first place :)
John, that doesn't give a true picture, as some are yet to be photographed by Tony since being repainted.
1788-1805/1808/1810/1811/1813/1817/1824/1827 & 1833 are all in NX livery, 1822 is currently in the paintshop along with others no doubt
I see Winston. Thanks for that ;D great help
Quote from: Rob H on January 26, 2014, 10:30:13 PM
Looks like the 55 Branding will remain on 1807-1816 when they each get refurbished and repainted :)
Always wondered why branding on the 55 and not the 94.
I suggested that one of them changed numbers so they became more uniformed i.e 55/54 or 94/95. That could work for the Washwood Heath road corridor.
While aboard 4879 on Saturday I noticed 1824 is missing an O/S Logo.
Quote from: Rob H on April 07, 2014, 10:23:29 PM
While aboard 4879 on Saturday I noticed 1824 is missing an O/S Logo.
It is missing both sides
What bus type operates the 18
Quote from: Daniel w on April 13, 2014, 11:50:29 PM
What bus type operates the 18
The 18 is operated by Yardley Wood garage & is generally Tridents with some Presidents
Quote from: Winston on April 13, 2014, 11:53:08 PM
Quote from: Daniel w on April 13, 2014, 11:50:29 PM
What bus type operates the 18
The 18 is operated by Yardley Wood garage & is generally Tridents with some Presidents
Don't forget the occasional E400! ;)
Quote from: clayderman on April 14, 2014, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 13, 2014, 11:53:08 PM
Quote from: Daniel w on April 13, 2014, 11:50:29 PM
What bus type operates the 18
The 18 is operated by Yardley Wood garage & is generally Tridents with some Presidents
Don't forget the occasional E400! ;)
Omnilinks and B10L's sometimes put in appearances too
Story Winston, I actually though it was the YW Garage thread when I posted....
Quote from: Nathan on April 14, 2014, 12:22:42 PM
Quote from: clayderman on April 14, 2014, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 13, 2014, 11:53:08 PM
Quote from: Daniel w on April 13, 2014, 11:50:29 PM
What bus type operates the 18
The 18 is operated by Yardley Wood garage & is generally Tridents with some Presidents
Don't forget the occasional E400! ;)
Omnilinks and B10L's sometimes put in appearances too
I belive ive got a picture of scania/B1OL/E400/President&Trident on the 18 :D not that it really matters
That's enough of the 18 now everyone, can we get back on topic i.e. BY garage, Winston
Sorry (:
I curious if the 55 has had growth in patronage since it moved to single deckers and received it's lame branding.
Quote from: John on April 08, 2014, 05:17:48 AM
Quote from: Rob H on April 07, 2014, 10:23:29 PM
While aboard 4879 on Saturday I noticed 1824 is missing an O/S Logo.
It is missing both sides
1824 has had logos applied now both sides
is one of those depots closeing down if so wich one and where r the buses going to
Quote from: STEVEN 33 on April 20, 2014, 11:33:43 AM
is one of those depots closeing down if so wich one and where r the buses going to
Not that anyone else is aware of, why do you ask?
1834 was heading to PB this morning with '55' on the display not sure why
Quote from: Nathan4775 on May 01, 2014, 08:56:37 AM
1834 was heading to PB this morning with '55' on the display not sure why
That's reminds me. I saw it been driven by one of our engineers yesterday, so must of been worked on
Seen 1810 on the 17 today and I noticed its 55 Branding has been removed on both sides noticed it when it passed me at The Radleys this morning.
Quote from: Rob H on May 13, 2014, 02:31:11 PM
Seen 1810 on the 17 today and I noticed its 55 Branding has been removed on both sides noticed it when it passed me at The Radleys this morning.
1811 and 1813 also have had it removed, one was on the 17 and the other on the 8
The 17 now has Route Branding I got a clip of 1790 turning out of Mackadown Lane showing off the new branding.
Here is the link to the clip I caught of it :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biTvrd2RMS0
Quote from: Rob on May 19, 2014, 02:04:43 PM
The 17 now has Route Branding I got a clip of 1790 turning out of Mackadown Lane showing off the new branding.
Here is the link to the clip I caught of it :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biTvrd2RMS0
Looks fantastic! :)
Quote from: Rob on May 19, 2014, 02:04:43 PM
The 17 now has Route Branding I got a clip of 1790 turning out of Mackadown Lane showing off the new branding.
Here is the link to the clip I caught of it :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biTvrd2RMS0
I see NX have used yellow three times nowow (The 5,X96 and now the 17)!
@Nathan they've used it 3 times. The 5 is branded in yellow
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 19, 2014, 03:54:07 PM
@Nathan they've used it 3 times. The 5 is branded in yellow
How could i forget that! I'm tired ;) Cheers
@Sh4318
1790 already mentioned on here along with 1791 1792 are branded for 17 don't know how many more are done but only saw the 3
Quote from: Solo1 on May 19, 2014, 05:38:09 PM
1790 already mentioned on here along with 1791 1792 are branded for 17 don't know how many more are done but only saw the 3
@Solo1 I'll keep an eye out because I'm going to try and get a pic of one tomorrow and thank you for the heads up about 1791 & 1792 being branded aswell :)
Quote from: Rob on May 19, 2014, 07:56:34 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on May 19, 2014, 05:38:09 PM
1790 already mentioned on here along with 1791 1792 are branded for 17 don't know how many more are done but only saw the 3
@Solo1 I'll keep an eye out because I'm going to try and get a pic of one tomorrow and thank you for the heads up about 1791 & 1792 being branded aswell :)
Not quite sure about the whole grille panel being yellow, but I do like the rest of the branding
Yuck. Looks like something you'd find in a McDonalds. Not a fan at all, very cheap & unattractive.
Quote from: Matt on May 19, 2014, 10:24:24 PM
Yuck. Looks like something you'd find in a McDonalds. Not a fan at all, very cheap & unattractive.
Would have to agree with you there, cheap and nasty looking like the X96. I don't think yellow works with the NX livery. A pity, because some other recent branding efforts such as the 957, Sutton Lines, look ok if branding's your thing.
It looks ok. Missing vital information however.
Quote from: Mike K on May 19, 2014, 11:00:05 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 19, 2014, 10:24:24 PM
Yuck. Looks like something you'd find in a McDonalds. Not a fan at all, very cheap & unattractive.
Would have to agree with you there, cheap and nasty looking like the X96. I don't think yellow works with the NX livery. A pity, because some other recent branding efforts such as the 957, Sutton Lines, look ok if branding's your thing.
Perhaps NX could take a look at Reading Buses' fleet. Now if you're going to go down the route of branding vehicles, that's the way to do it.
Quote from: Matt on May 19, 2014, 11:07:02 PM
Quote from: Mike K on May 19, 2014, 11:00:05 PM
Quote from: Matt on May 19, 2014, 10:24:24 PM
Yuck. Looks like something you'd find in a McDonalds. Not a fan at all, very cheap & unattractive.
Would have to agree with you there, cheap and nasty looking like the X96. I don't think yellow works with the NX livery. A pity, because some other recent branding efforts such as the 957, Sutton Lines, look ok if branding's your thing.
Perhaps NX could take a look at Reading Buses' fleet. Now if you're going to go down the route of branding vehicles, that's the way to do it.
Or Trent Barton, whenever I visit Derby or the North Midlands I am always completely overwhelmed how neat, tidy and attractive their buses are, and creating all the little corridors etc... Why couldn't that work say from Birmingham? Hagley Road services start say 9A, 9B etc.. Bristol 6A, 6B, Soho and Handsworth 7A, and so on
Anyone have any idea what criteria nxwm apply to deciding which routes get branding etc?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 20, 2014, 09:45:40 AM
Anyone have any idea what criteria nxwm apply to deciding which routes get branding etc?
Scrapbook, Biro, and some felt-tips!
As for choosing the routes, it's probably a case of eenie meenie miney mo [But the PC Police have banned that so....]
Even I could probably design a better livery/branding combination than NXWM
Come on! Didn't think it would be me saying this but be fair to NX. All the recent brandings look nice. Important route info is highlighted on a smartly refurbed bus. People will be able to identify their bus in the street and the comparison with Trentbarton is unfair. Yes I like them but their branding is for longer distance many of them interurban routes not frequent city services. A fair comparison is say NCT but personally I find the NX approach far, far clearer.
It's a eye catching colour; you certainly know which bus will be the 17. Although the yellow on the "engine grill" does look a little odd. But I am glad to see that NX is making an effort on the fleet's appearance. I have noticed that the recent refurbs are excellent and I have noticed some of YW and AG's buses have been having their wheels cleaned now. It's not up to Trent Barton or NET's standard but with NX's wide variety of routes, and frequent garage changes, it would be a challenge to route allocate all the fleet.
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 20, 2014, 08:49:49 PM
It's a eye catching colour; you certainly know which bus will be the 17. Although the yellow on the "engine grill" does look a little odd. But I am glad to see that NX is making an effort on the fleet's appearance. I have noticed that the recent refurbs are excellent and I have noticed some of YW and AG's buses have been having their wheels cleaned now. It's not up to Trent Barton or NET's standard but with NX's wide variety of routes, and frequent garage changes, it would be a challenge to route allocate all the fleet.
I agree about the appearance of the fleet massively improving andat BY once all refurbs are done it will look very smart indeed. The thing as I see it is that often the brandingand network approaches can clash.This is the best of both worlds - instantly identifiable as NX and as part of the network. Yes NCT has a lot going for it but as a non resident of Nottingham I would find it harder to work out whether I wanted Go2 or Network etc with buses in masses of colours. Branding works best if you are trying to sell more disjointed services as opposed to a network.
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 19, 2014, 11:05:44 PM
It looks ok. Missing vital information however.
A big '17' on the side windows, same as on the 4, 55 and 37? :D
Quote from: Stu on May 20, 2014, 09:03:53 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 19, 2014, 11:05:44 PM
It looks ok. Missing vital information however.
A big '17' on the side windows, same as on the 4, 55 and 37? :D
Yeah ;D. As well as the 'every 8 minutes' that all NX branded buses seem to get
It has every 6 minutes on it fella.
@DiamondDart they're at least much better than the green branding, if anyone wants to reminiscence over how bad they were. The point of branding is to raise awareness of the route and get more people to use the route (I would think so). (Keeping the reply on topic), the 55 branding does raise awareness of the route (also pointing out that they operate at times that Clabirels don't) and I've heard many times about how the Omnilinks on the 55 can get full to the brim, so surely there's nothing wrong with the NX's branding?
The omnilinks get full to the brim because the 55 is and always has been a very busy and popular route. And Claribels have not run early mornings, late evenings and Sundays for almost 20years, so I've always thought the branding on the 55 to be a little pointless especially as currently NXWM operate a newer fleet on the 55 which for a while wasn't the case.
About time they sorted out the 94's Claribels are much better standard on that corridor vs NXWM.
We're getting a lot more refurbed Gemini's these days and they still look pretty smart inside compared to the ALXs. Would be nice to get something newer than 11year old buses, but I think that day is still a long way off. :(
Damned if I ever see them, lol.
I wonder if the 8 will get branded now
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 20, 2014, 08:08:55 PM
Come on! Didn't think it would be me saying this but be fair to NX. All the recent brandings look nice. Important route info is highlighted on a smartly refurbed bus. People will be able to identify their bus in the street and the comparison with Trentbarton is unfair. Yes I like them but their branding is for longer distance many of them interurban routes not frequent city services. A fair comparison is say NCT but personally I find the NX approach far, far clearer.
I actually prefer Trent Barton/GNE/Best Impressions style branding as it's more catchy and gets people on the bus. Diamond has something similar on the 002 which again is more catchy and stands out more to possible future passengers.
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 21, 2014, 09:32:03 AM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 20, 2014, 08:08:55 PM
Come on! Didn't think it would be me saying this but be fair to NX. All the recent brandings look nice. Important route info is highlighted on a smartly refurbed bus. People will be able to identify their bus in the street and the comparison with Trentbarton is unfair. Yes I like them but their branding is for longer distance many of them interurban routes not frequent city services. A fair comparison is say NCT but personally I find the NX approach far, far clearer.
I actually prefer Trent Barton/GNE/Best Impressions style branding as it's more catchy and gets people on the bus. Diamond has something similar on the 002 which again is more catchy and stands out more to possible future passengers.
Yeah, but as someone who uses GNE buses regularly, they can be daunting for a new user or non-enthusiast with the multitude of colours which does nothing to convey a network, as Arriva do...
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 21, 2014, 11:25:20 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 21, 2014, 09:32:03 AM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 20, 2014, 08:08:55 PM
Come on! Didn't think it would be me saying this but be fair to NX. All the recent brandings look nice. Important route info is highlighted on a smartly refurbed bus. People will be able to identify their bus in the street and the comparison with Trentbarton is unfair. Yes I like them but their branding is for longer distance many of them interurban routes not frequent city services. A fair comparison is say NCT but personally I find the NX approach far, far clearer.
I actually prefer Trent Barton/GNE/Best Impressions style branding as it's more catchy and gets people on the bus. Diamond has something similar on the 002 which again is more catchy and stands out more to possible future passengers.
Yeah, but as someone who uses GNE buses regularly, they can be daunting for a new user or non-enthusiast with the multitude of colours which does nothing to convey a network, as Arriva do...
And Nottingham is even worse with two different operators using multiple liveries knowing which is which.
Imagine in Birmingham if both NX and Rotala started random liveries for each route. You have a day ticket for one operator, but you would be unable to tell which operator it was approaching if you were a sttranger to the area
Quote from: Tony on May 21, 2014, 11:31:45 AM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 21, 2014, 11:25:20 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 21, 2014, 09:32:03 AM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 20, 2014, 08:08:55 PM
Come on! Didn't think it would be me saying this but be fair to NX. All the recent brandings look nice. Important route info is highlighted on a smartly refurbed bus. People will be able to identify their bus in the street and the comparison with Trentbarton is unfair. Yes I like them but their branding is for longer distance many of them interurban routes not frequent city services. A fair comparison is say NCT but personally I find the NX approach far, far clearer.
I actually prefer Trent Barton/GNE/Best Impressions style branding as it's more catchy and gets people on the bus. Diamond has something similar on the 002 which again is more catchy and stands out more to possible future passengers.
Yeah, but as someone who uses GNE buses regularly, they can be daunting for a new user or non-enthusiast with the multitude of colours which does nothing to convey a network, as Arriva do...
And Nottingham is even worse with two different operators using multiple liveries knowing which is which.
Imagine in Birmingham if both NX and Rotala started random liveries for each route. You have a day ticket for one operator, but you would be unable to tell which operator it was approaching if you were a sttranger to the area
Precisely-I'm glad I'm not the only one to think that. I guess moving to a new area drives it home-when you have multiple colours and even multiple routes on one colour it makes it extremely confusing. To a non-resident of Birmingham, the public transport system would seem very easy to understand with mostly one operator with buses (soon to be) in all one livery. The problem with GNE route branding is more attention is given to the brand than the actual destinations!! Plus, with Nexus displaying route numbers only, passengers on a route like "Prince Bishops" will know it by the name and not the number. A problem, seeing as all bus stations display numbers. If you are going to do route branding then you have to at least include the number somewhere in the branding eg nifty50. Branding every route also seems pretty pointless and the other thing I absolutely hate is multiple services under one brand. A brand should cover one route at the maximum, not a few extra peak variations etc. It does make it confusing.
In an ideal world ALL branding would be banned by law.
Passengers should just read the destination screen (or LED or whatever the latest name is) and the route NUMBER ,not name.
On my quite frequent visits to Derby I always have the impression of one major operator (Arriva) and a multitude of small independent operators with no apparent connection to each other.
Is Black Cat (for example ) a small operator or what.
Hopefully,this mad craze for branding and (even worse ) naming of buses will be seen to have been just another passing fad.
Quote from: arrifirststage on May 21, 2014, 03:31:30 PM
In an ideal world ALL branding would be banned by law.
Passengers should just read the destination screen (or LED or whatever the latest name is) and the route NUMBER ,not name.
On my quite frequent visits to Derby I always have the impression of one major operator (Arriva) and a multitude of small independent operators with no apparent connection to each other.
Is Black Cat (for example ) a small operator or what.
Hopefully,this mad craze for branding and (even worse ) naming of buses will be seen to have been just another passing fad.
There is nothing wrong with branding vehicles, see the article about advertising and branding in the current edition of 'Buses' by someone who knows what he is on about. I couldn't agree more with that article.
@arrifirststage and that's why you'd never be a politician. Places like Nottingham have, according to stats I've read, had a increase in ridership since deregulation. Branding services may have had a positive effect on that.
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 21, 2014, 05:08:50 PM
@arrifirststage and that's why you'd never be a politician. Places like Nottingham have, according to stats I've read, had a increase in ridership since deregulation. Branding services may have had a positive effect on that.
Actually, many politicians in the North East are saying the opposite about branding. I don't agree with them re-the re-regulation of buses, in fact, I'm one of the most pre-deregulation people you will find. I just think you need the best bits of branding and the network approach combined. The NX 17 branding does this brilliantly
Quote from: Andrew on May 19, 2014, 10:44:55 PM
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1750-1953/1790.html
Saw it in the flesh today. It does look better for real than the pictures online
Quote from: Tony on May 21, 2014, 04:24:12 PM
Quote from: arrifirststage on May 21, 2014, 03:31:30 PM
In an ideal world ALL branding would be banned by law.
Passengers should just read the destination screen (or LED or whatever the latest name is) and the route NUMBER ,not name.
On my quite frequent visits to Derby I always have the impression of one major operator (Arriva) and a multitude of small independent operators with no apparent connection to each other.
Is Black Cat (for example ) a small operator or what.
Hopefully,this mad craze for branding and (even worse ) naming of buses will be seen to have been just another passing fad.
There is nothing wrong with branding vehicles, see the article about advertising and branding in the current edition of 'Buses' by someone who knows what he is on about. I couldn't agree more with that article.
Problem i feel is that branding vehicles at a small garage such as Bordesley means that you have limited flexibility with your buses, branding such be restricted to larger garages.
I also saw this in the flesh
@John, and I couldn't agree more. Looks quite fantastic if I'm honest.
Personally, in comparison to what branding used to be like, circa 2004 [Pershore Road & Jubilee ect] and the Metrobuses branding, this NXWM type of branding is messy.
1788 is branded for 17 service as well now
1795, the scania that keep changing!
Now at its fifth garage and sixth livery variation, it is the only one to have three different route brandings!
Toothpaste without silver stripes
Toothpaste with 97 route branding
Toothpaste with silver strips
Toothpaste with 55 route branding
NX livery
NX livery with 17 route branding
photos of all 6 livery variants and at all 5 garages here!
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1750-1953/1795.html
1794 also branded
Quote from: Tony on May 24, 2014, 06:02:49 PM
1795, the scania that keep changing!
Now at its fifth garage and sixth livery variation, it is the only one to have three different route brandings!
Toothpaste without silver stripes
Toothpaste with 97 route branding
Toothpaste with silver strips
Toothpaste with 55 route branding
NX livery
NX livery with 17 route branding
photos of all 6 livery variants and at all 5 garages here!
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1750-1953/1795.html
Was the Walsall appearance due to covering for Enviros during the Olympics?
@Westy yes the 61 plate E400's were put into the Olympics fleet with the 'Toothpaste' Omnilinks covering
1797 has now received the 17 Branding
Quote from: Rob on May 26, 2014, 03:30:43 PM
1797 has now received the 17 Branding
So I take it 1788-97 are all branded. I was thinking yesterday that 10 would be branded, and that is 10 currently branded
Plus I was wondering if the 55 will receive branding as well, as the old one has been taken off in the last fortnight
Quote from: John on May 26, 2014, 03:34:21 PM
Quote from: Rob on May 26, 2014, 03:30:43 PM
1797 has now received the 17 Branding
So I take it 1788-97 are all branded. I was thinking yesterday that 10 would be branded, and that is 10 currently branded
Plus I was wondering if the 55 will receive branding as well, as the old one has been taken off in the last fortnight
Could the 8 benefit from branding? I'd like to see one for the Inner Circle! :)
Managed to get a pic of the back end of 1797, I must say it sits well on the rear of the OmniLinks (Managed to get all apart from 2 branded ones today!)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/14105140648/
After seeing it properly today (not just at a glance), it is a very good branding, suits the OmniLinks well
Oooh,
@John, they've fitted the Cyclists Beware stickers to the nearside now. Just need the Please Let Buses Pull Out on the offside and it'll be good
1796 also has the 17 route branding now; rode it today on the 17. Very smart livery when seen in the flesh and the bus itself rode very well considering it was 7 years old; no rattling and smooth ride.
Two demonstrators visited Bordesley Garage last Friday. And Optare Solo SR and a left hand drive MAN City Midi.
Apparently being looked at by NX officials for overseas orders.
1797 has been named 'Paul Fieldhouse'
1797 was being hitched onto a towing vehicle in Moor St with a front lift this evening.
1799 (pretty sure it was at least) was leaning heavily to the left at Tile Cross yestrday evening ~half 6. Didn't seem to be broken down, cause I think there were people on it and it was only indicating left (ie didnt have its hazards flashing)
1808 was driven past One Stop by an engineer this morning
Haven't been to Moor St for a while, can anyone confirm whether 1808, 1809 and 1816 have lost their route 55 branding?
Quote from: uniquicity on July 28, 2014, 10:08:27 PM
Haven't been to Moor St for a while, can anyone confirm whether 1808, 1809 and 1816 have lost their route 55 branding?
All have lost their 55 Branding :)
Thanks Rob.
Wonder what the point of it was in the first place? Such inconsistency in what they decide to do at nxwm.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 29, 2014, 06:44:41 AM
Wonder what the point of it was in the first place? Such inconsistency in what they decide to do at nxwm.
Maybe they'll re-apply branding in the same style as the 17 branding now? Although I agree with you, what was the point in spending money branding a load of buses to unbrand them a few months later.
Top two photos on this page are of the same bus, at the same location, but you can hardly tell
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1750-1953/1815.html
Old livery/new livery; with branding/without; sunshine/rain; offside/nearside, but same bus on same route at same location
1814 passed Sheldon this morning @ 11:19 paused by the bus stops at The Wheatsheaf (Coventry Direction) then turned left onto Sheaf Lane heading towards the Radleys not in service with 1 young lad sitting behind the driver and an elderly couple sitting on the left hand side of the bus.
Garrets Green Lane has been closed with diversions for the 17. It ma
Quote from: Eric Shaw on September 25, 2014, 07:30:29 PM
Garrets Green Lane has been closed with diversions for the 17. It ma
Are you alright there Eric?
Sorry Mike i messed up my report. It should have carried on to say he missed the left turn and carried on to the Coventry Road.
Three months have passed without anything worthy of remark at Bordesley Green Garage.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on December 27, 2014, 12:33:51 AM
Three months have passed without anything worthy of remark at Bordesley Green Garage.
Bordesley garage just goes about its business extremely well. Its buses are immaculate free from dents, scratches and window etching. It is extremely rare for it to miss mileage due to bus or driver shortage and can usually spare a bus to PB when they have a shortage. The 55 & 17 are two routes that don't suffer extreme late running very often and nobody seems to ever look at the 8 on here!
Quote from: Tony on December 27, 2014, 08:56:30 AM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on December 27, 2014, 12:33:51 AM
Three months have passed without anything worthy of remark at Bordesley Green Garage.
Bordesley garage just goes about its business extremely well. Its buses are immaculate free from dents, scratches and window etching. It is extremely rare for it to miss mileage due to bus or driver shortage and can usually spare a bus to PB when they have a shortage. The 55 & 17 are two routes that don't suffer extreme late running very often and nobody seems to ever look at the 8 on here!
1803 on the 8 this morning, immaculate, on time and sounding good. Point taken.
Why did the 55 lose its branding and not received any new branding then? Washwood heath Corridor should have some.
In the last round of timetable changes, the late night 8c buses started to terminate at Saltley Gate. This confused a few of the regulars as this didn't seem to be advertised anywhere. Why couldn't they carry on the last few stops to Bordesley?
Continuing the completely off topic discussion in the "route branding" thread...
Deckers on the Inner Circle. I say that's only necessary because it isn't as frequent as it used to be. Personally reckon it should be split into smaller end to end routes from City centre out and back but that's just me.
Would a frequency increase boost passenger usage? I know yes, more buses would be needed. But at present, with a 15min frequency, and with the unreliability issues, if you miss one, you may end up waiting a long time for the next one. Depending on where you are on the route (and where you're heading to), some people might give up waiting and just get a bus into city and then out again. Or may be there should be more short-workings, with buses going back and forth along busier sections?
I myself wonder if the inner circle is route that has reached the end of its useful life, certainly over the years the frequency has decreased and even NE suggested various changes in the last Network review although the service was largely untouched at the end. The 8 was never going to take off in the way the 11 did and i agree with other people that maybe the time has come to withdraw it and maybe consider how to cover the places it serves more effectively.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 24, 2015, 08:36:53 PM
I myself wonder if the inner circle is route that has reached the end of its useful life, certainly over the years the frequency has decreased and even NE suggested various changes in the last Network review although the service was largely untouched at the end. The 8 was never going to take off in the way the 11 did and i agree with other people that maybe the time has come to withdraw it and maybe consider how to cover the places it serves more effectively.
Oh come on, it the fastest way for me to school. I walk it to the 8C stop and wait for the 7:01AM 8C bus and then get the 7:06AM 50 bus.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on January 24, 2015, 09:39:06 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 24, 2015, 08:36:53 PM
I myself wonder if the inner circle is route that has reached the end of its useful life, certainly over the years the frequency has decreased and even NE suggested various changes in the last Network review although the service was largely untouched at the end. The 8 was never going to take off in the way the 11 did and i agree with other people that maybe the time has come to withdraw it and maybe consider how to cover the places it serves more effectively.
Oh come on, it the fastest way for me to school. I walk it to the 8C stop and wait for the 7:01AM 8C bus and then get the 7:06AM 50 bus.
How far do you travel on the 8C?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 24, 2015, 09:40:27 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on January 24, 2015, 09:39:06 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 24, 2015, 08:36:53 PM
I myself wonder if the inner circle is route that has reached the end of its useful life, certainly over the years the frequency has decreased and even NE suggested various changes in the last Network review although the service was largely untouched at the end. The 8 was never going to take off in the way the 11 did and i agree with other people that maybe the time has come to withdraw it and maybe consider how to cover the places it serves more effectively.
Oh come on, it the fastest way for me to school. I walk it to the 8C stop and wait for the 7:01AM 8C bus and then get the 7:06AM 50 bus.
How far do you travel on the 8C?
From Stratford Road to Moseley road, but I still need that bus to get me to the 50 stop on-time before the 7:06 50 bus comes.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 24, 2015, 08:36:53 PM
I myself wonder if the inner circle is route that has reached the end of its useful life, certainly over the years the frequency has decreased and even NE suggested various changes in the last Network review although the service was largely untouched at the end. The 8 was never going to take off in the way the 11 did and i agree with other people that maybe the time has come to withdraw it and maybe consider how to cover the places it serves more effectively.
I cant believe theres even talk to withdraw the 8.
I dont think the regular passengers would be too happy to hear their route would be withdrawn.
It would be fairly difficult to cover the places it serves on exisisting routes without causing disruption and adding journey times to those routes. Also most regular 8 passengers would have to catch two buses instead of just the one.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on January 25, 2015, 12:29:30 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 24, 2015, 08:36:53 PM
I myself wonder if the inner circle is route that has reached the end of its useful life, certainly over the years the frequency has decreased and even NE suggested various changes in the last Network review although the service was largely untouched at the end. The 8 was never going to take off in the way the 11 did and i agree with other people that maybe the time has come to withdraw it and maybe consider how to cover the places it serves more effectively.
I cant believe theres even talk to withdraw the 8.
I dont think the regular passengers would be too happy to hear their route would be withdrawn.
It would be fairly difficult to cover the places it serves on exisisting routes without causing disruption and adding journey times to those routes. Also most regular 8 passengers would have to catch two buses instead of just the one.
Agreed, i would be fuming if one of my local routes, i.e. WN25, WN28, WA41, was withdrwan as they provide vital links to places, that would otherwise require multiple transfers to another routes
About 3 or 4 Scanias seen parked up in BY at 1400hrs
1836 seen on Wolverhampton Ring Rd this afternoon. Presumably at WN for MOT?
Quote from: Nathan on March 06, 2015, 08:40:28 PM
1836 seen on Wolverhampton Ring Rd this afternoon. Presumably at WN for MOT?
Sure I saw this on the 8A only this morning.
Quote from: Mike K on March 06, 2015, 08:47:04 PM
Quote from: Nathan on March 06, 2015, 08:40:28 PM
1836 seen on Wolverhampton Ring Rd this afternoon. Presumably at WN for MOT?
Sure I saw this on the 8A only this morning.
Ok....
It was certainly 1836 though which passed me
Quote from: Nathan on March 06, 2015, 08:49:25 PM
Quote from: Mike K on March 06, 2015, 08:47:04 PM
Quote from: Nathan on March 06, 2015, 08:40:28 PM
1836 seen on Wolverhampton Ring Rd this afternoon. Presumably at WN for MOT?
Sure I saw this on the 8A only this morning.
Ok....
It was certainly 1836 though which passed me
Wasn't! 1836 was going round & round all day from 05:50 until 19:27 on the 8A
Ok sorry! Eyes must be playing me up....
Definetley an Omnilink from a Birmingham Garage (Vivid red repaint with white logo above the door) so not a WA example.
@Alex was with me at the time (Was aboard 4547 coming under Wednesfield Rd Railway Bridge about 16:05-16:10) so he may have caught the fleet no.
@Nathan Did look like 1836 when i saw it, could'be been 1826 though
I've seen a Birmingham Central Trident at Bordesley Green at least twice. Why is this happening ?!
Quote from: BusFan on March 12, 2015, 09:00:55 PM
I've seen a Birmingham Central Trident at Bordesley Green at least twice. Why is this happening ?!
You will see one every day between about 16:00 and 16:23. A 97 running board comes off a school and is scheduled to start there at 16:23
Quote from: Tony on March 12, 2015, 09:02:43 PM
Quote from: BusFan on March 12, 2015, 09:00:55 PM
I've seen a Birmingham Central Trident at Bordesley Green at least twice. Why is this happening ?!
You will see one every day between about 16:00 and 16:23. A 97 running board comes off a school and is scheduled to start there at 16:23
Thank You, can I ask whats the closest one can get to the garage without being "intrusive" ?! I was walking past on Sunday and due to the reduced frequency of the day, OmniLinks were everywhere and I only managed to get 2 shots from the road because I didnt want to trespass even a foot inside.
3 Scanias on the 8A were all driving behind eachother, 1834, 1819 and 1807.
That's nothing 3 in row , colleagues told me of a convoy of 9 number 4s scania omnilinks heading to wards Oldbury after another of west broms melt downs last week.
Quote from: 2900 on March 24, 2015, 10:28:43 AM
That's nothing 3 in row , colleagues told me of a convoy of 9 number 4s scania omnilinks heading to wards Oldbury after another of west broms melt downs last week.
Not as many as 9, but I remember at least 4 or 5 Metrobuses each behind one another, on the 101 - all stopped at The Devonshire Arms, on Lodge Road.
1829 is missing its front fleet number
Just seen 1822 on enroute to Chelmsley Wood via Bordesley Green East (97 Route) but it was displaying its 55 display inbound despite travelling outbound !
Probably taking up a duty from Chelmsley Wood
Omnilink on 55 fleet number escapes me saw today broke down at lights at Washwood Heath Road and Aston Church Road on outward journey. Which meant traffic had to go on opposite side of the road to carry on up Washwood Heath Road caused a tailback back towards town not best place to break down not sure what happened unless someone has heard on the grapevine??
Are you allowed to take photos of a bus garage ?!
I ask this because I popped down to BY as I like seeing the OmniLinks lined up and on a Sunday, theirs plenty of them and I had my camera in tow, as I was focusing in on a shot, a security guy (I think) came out of the main building and stated I cant due to Health and Safety.
First time I'm hearing this as I've seen plenty of Garage shots plus I wasn't trespassing into the garage. Just standing out by gate were people cross over.
Quote from: BusFan on May 17, 2015, 09:28:51 AM
Are you allowed to take photos of a bus garage ?!
I ask this because I popped down to BY as I like seeing the OmniLinks lined up and on a Sunday, theirs plenty of them and I had my camera in tow, as I was focusing in on a shot, a security guy (I think) came out of the main building and stated I cant due to Health and Safety.
First time I'm hearing this as I've seen plenty of Garage shots plus I wasn't trespassing into the garage. Just standing out by gate were people cross over.
If you are stood on the pavement, then the security bod cannot tell you what you can & cannot do, once you are the garage side of the first set of gates then he can ask you to leave
Quote from: BusFan on May 17, 2015, 09:28:51 AM
Are you allowed to take photos of a bus garage ?!
I ask this because I popped down to BY as I like seeing the OmniLinks lined up and on a Sunday, theirs plenty of them and I had my camera in tow, as I was focusing in on a shot, a security guy (I think) came out of the main building and stated I cant due to Health and Safety.
First time I'm hearing this as I've seen plenty of Garage shots plus I wasn't trespassing into the garage. Just standing out by gate were people cross over.
From Photo Assist site (public domain):
'On the whole, UK law doesn't prevent photography in public places. This is, of course, assuming that you're not committing any other offence such as obstructing a police officer from doing their job or holding up traffic by setting up your tripod in the middle of the road. Also, as long as you're not causing any harassment, you're allowed to photograph other people if you're both on public land. If the person you're photographing is on private land, they could claim a right to privacy, and if you're on private land, then the owner of the land has the right to restrict photography on their property.'
So make sure you haven't got any personnel in your viewfinder when you're taking a depot shot. Other than that, just read the above and what Tony said, and use common sense. Don't be bullied by H&S rhetoric.
spotted
1808 passing Sheldon 1505 with engineers
also it had a Vehicle Defective sticker applied on it
Thanks
@Tony &
@The Real 4778 I appreciate the messages.
I personally don't think I was doing anything wrong, I went to AG earlier and took a few photos with no complaints, I got as close as to the closed shop next door and but I made sure I didn't trespass and I'm aware of Non - employees not being allowed in. I went to By afterwards and stood just outside the gates by the "No Parking" signage on the floor, I stayed by the gate as their was an OmniLink parked somewhat close presumably awaiting dispatch, I didn't think I was trespassing into the garage as I was stood where the public cross over onto the other side of the gates, I took a few shots, then the guy came out sighting H&S, I left afterwards as I didn't want to cause an argument plus I had other plans.
I've uploaded whatever photos I took on that day on my Flickr, so you lot can be the judge. Thanks All.
Anyone know what happened tonight with
The 17 service as had to wait ages for one
@Mike K Ermagherd Omnerlernks!!!!!
Had 1804 for my journey home this evening. The on board notices very helpful in telling me of timetable changes from 27th May 2014!
Quote from: Gareth on November 06, 2015, 10:57:11 PM
Had 1804 for my journey home this evening. The on board notices very helpful in telling me of timetable changes from 27th May 2014!
Yeah they take thier updates from the posts in this thread.
BY 1806 was making some strange noises on the 55A it was doing this morning. The rumbling only occurred when the driver was coasting, the sound reminded me exactly of the Metrobuses when their planet gear was worn the only difference being that the sound wasn't going all the time only when the driver applied the brakes for stopping/slowing down/coasting especially down the hill on Washwood Heath Road by the old WH Bus Garage but anyhow happy memories of the old days
One of the 17's had rear displays had scrolling destination city bound no id as saw the back of it from a distance
Quote from: Solo1 on December 21, 2015, 05:53:59 PM
One of the 17's had rear displays had scrolling destination city bound no id as saw the back of it from a distance
Like this?: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131540512@N06/23523958919/in/datetaken-public/
Saw a 17 branded Omnilink sat in City yesterday with "Perry Barr Garage" on the blinds! Made me laugh! Was going to get a photo but he changed it before I could get over.
2. PD0001111/32 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Birmingham Inner Circle and Birmingham Inner Circle given service number 8A/8C effective from 03-Apr-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
UID Crimson Omnilink on the 8A.
Quote from: Ronnoc on January 31, 2016, 03:13:18 PM
UID Crimson Omnilink on the 8A.
Possibly a PB bus although quite surprising on a Sunday
It might be a Nxwm bus
Quote from: Ronnoc on January 31, 2016, 03:13:18 PM
UID Crimson Omnilink on the 8A.
Was one on 17 last Sunday don't know why
All services that serve the Markets aren't stopping there this afternoon
Quote from: 2206 on February 13, 2016, 03:32:56 PM
All services that serve the Markets aren't stopping there this afternoon
Not quite sure what this has to do with Bordesley garage, but I have thought for some time that the current Digbeth gyratory layout just simply cannot cope with the volumes of traffic, and just causes bottlenecks, especially with the number of bus services trying to unload at the Markets stop (MK6) and cars trying to get in and out of the car parks.
Quote from: Stu on February 13, 2016, 05:54:06 PM
Not quite sure what this has to do with Bordesley garage
I heard a general callout while on the 55A for all services telling them not to stop at the Markets and use the right hand lane when going past.
The 17 uses that stop by the Markets
Dose anyone know the correct diversion for the 8 and Washwood Heath Road services tomorrow? As they can't use the Wahwood Heath Road as its closed for resurfacing and buses are diverted away from there.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/temporary-diversions/closure-of-saltley-road-island-
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/temporary-diversions/closure-of-washwood-heath-road/
1826 got one of its windows smashed in while in Newtown on the 8A. It was parked up at about 20:15.
I think it was parked at the last 8A stop on Clifford Street just before it gets to Wheeler Street.
1909 left the City Centre on the 55A at 18:26.
Quote from: 2206 on May 17, 2016, 09:21:48 PM
1909 left the City Centre on the 55A at 18:26.
Shouldn't this be in the loan thread?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on May 18, 2016, 12:51:05 PM
Shouldn't this be in the loan thread?
Whats wrong with it being in the BY tread? BY operate the 55A. 1909 was on loan to BY.
How come 21.35 17 from city is only doing a e to garretts green can't see it been that late unless something happened like roadworks
7025 on 17 service
Quote from: Solo1 on June 04, 2016, 11:54:28 AM
7025 on 17 service
the 3rd red one bordsley have had as far as I now
1833 has been retrimed in the grey dot moquette. Its on the 17 today.
Quote from: 2206 on July 06, 2016, 04:44:09 PM
1833 has been retrimed in the grey dot moquette. Its on the 17 today.
Aww, I wanted it to stay as the only "odd one out" in BY's only buses.
Quote from: 2206 on July 06, 2016, 04:44:09 PM
1833 has been retrimed in the grey dot moquette. Its on the 17 today.
What did it have?
Quote from: Dom on July 06, 2016, 04:54:05 PM
What did it have?
The blue moquette all of 1788 - 1843 had when new.
I just seen in a OmniCity parked up at BY alongside its small counterparts !
1797, I think.
Its a 17 Branded Omnilink everyday
@GeminiFan1991 .
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on November 24, 2016, 05:21:06 PM
17 branded Omnilink on the 59S
On 1790 & 1 more what is the black square thing to the right of the mirror
Quote from: Solo1 on January 16, 2017, 05:31:22 PM
On 1790 & 1 more what is the black square thing to the right of the mirror
CCTV camera.
Quote from: Solo1 on January 16, 2017, 05:31:22 PM
On 1790 & 1 more what is the black square thing to the right of the mirror
If you mean the interior mirror, they are new drivecams
When I first noticed them a couple of months ago, I assumed they were facing the road, but they are facing inwards.
Quote from: Gareth on January 16, 2017, 09:27:03 PM
When I first noticed them a couple of months ago, I assumed they were facing the road, but they are facing inwards.
There are cameras both facing the road and the interior of the bus. We can press a button to record things on the road, like cars parked in bus stops, dangerous driving. They will also automaticly record if harsh acceleration/braking and cornering is detected
The clever thing wigh them is if the driver does trigger the recording either way It records the 7 seconds before the trigger as well so the cause can normally be seen
I've yet to spot any crimson Scania's on the 17, 55. Why is this, especially when some of Yardley Wood's 19** Scania's are crimson?
Quote from: suavegarv on February 25, 2017, 09:19:10 PM
I've yet to spot any crimson Scania's on the 17, 55. Why is this, especially when some of Yardley Wood's 19** Scania's are crimson?
Garages are doing them in batches and none of BY's buses have gone in for repaint. I think BY's overall fleet is still in pretty good shape.
Quote from: suavegarv on February 25, 2017, 09:19:10 PM
I've yet to spot any crimson Scania's on the 17, 55. Why is this, especially when some of Yardley Wood's 19** Scania's are crimson?
BY's Scania were some of the last to be repainted in red/white livery
Quote from: suavegarv on February 25, 2017, 09:19:10 PM
I've yet to spot any crimson Scania's on the 17, 55. Why is this, especially when some of Yardley Wood's 19** Scania's are crimson?
Because Bordesley don't have any Crimson Scanias. ???
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on February 25, 2017, 09:21:00 PM
I think BY's overall fleet is still in pretty good shape.
You've never been inside some of them then. They may all look smart on the outside, but I've been on some where the interiors are really grubby (floors, walls etc). :o
Quote from: Stu on February 26, 2017, 09:55:20 AM
Because Bordesley don't have any Crimson Scanias. ???
You've never been inside some of them then. They may all look smart on the outside, but I've been on some where the interiors are really grubby (floors, walls etc). :o
Probably why they're in the process of getting new floors. I'm not sure if any have been completed yet, haven't noticed one on the 8 or 55.
Quote from: Winston on February 25, 2017, 09:21:49 PM
BY's Scania were some of the last to be repainted in red/white livery
Serves the East so last to get any resources from NXWM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 26, 2017, 05:44:31 PM
Serves the East so last to get any resources from NXWM
X1 and X2 go east...
What's the issue with geminis?
Quote from: Chris on February 26, 2017, 06:22:05 PM
X1 and X2 go east...
What's the issue with geminis?
Yeah. 2012 gave the East B7RLEs, 2013 was Enviro400s, more in 2014. 2015 MMCs and 2016 even more MMCs. This guy is deluded.
Quote from: MW on February 26, 2017, 06:26:52 PM
Yeah. 2012 gave the East B7RLEs, 2013 was Enviro400s, more in 2014. 2015 MMCs and 2016 even more MMCs. This guy is deluded.
But...
Quote from: Kevin on December 06, 2016, 07:09:21 AM
he doesn't class Cov road as East Brum
Stirred some passion here lol
At
@monkeyjoe no offence but you keep stirring it stating that east Birmingham never gets any investment when it does. When 97 has had its tridents repainted first before any other tridents, the 94 is currently gaining crimson geminis along with 65 and 67. Those routes do get the odd E400 on weekends. The inner circle has got the younger buses than the outer circle and most likely once WA and YW have their Scanias done as they were done first into red and white will more than likely do Bordesley. Nx has 1600 vehicles and haven't got the money to buy a massive order in which would see the tridents and early volvo b7tls at some point in the future 94 will probably get e400s but probably then they will be too old...
Back to Bordesley Green will the 55 ever be rebranded in the new style like WN b7rles ?
Please can we not start this whole East Birmingham needs investment thing, again, on yet another thread where the page number has been kept minimal for numerous years....it's received a good amount of investment over the past few years - end of.
Quote from: Chris on February 26, 2017, 07:40:21 PM
At @monkeyjoe no offence but you keep stirring it stating that east Birmingham never gets any investment when it does. When 97 has had its tridents repainted first before any other tridents, the 94 is currently gaining crimson geminis along with 65 and 67. Those routes do get the odd E400 on weekends. The inner circle has got the younger buses than the outer circle and most likely once WA and YW have their Scanias done as they were done first into red and white will more than likely do Bordesley. Nx has 1600 vehicles and haven't got the money to buy a massive order in which would see the tridents and early volvo b7tls at some point in the future 94 will probably get e400s but probably then they will be too old...
Back to Bordesley Green will the 55 ever be rebranded in the new style like WN b7rles ?
The 94, 38, 67 and 11 still have tatty 16 year old B7TL ALX400 though that have never been refurbished since new, so still have there original interiors. Even the moquette/seats on 4243 are now looking worn and tired. It appears they will be staying for quite a while longer now as they are having traps fitted to them and buses bellow 4425 won't be getting a crimson repaint and refurb. Some of the seats on some like those on 4289 are threadbare. The 65 also gets them. The 94, 65 and 67 get the occasional E400 not just on weekends, but throughout the week at the moment.
The Omnilinks at BY do still look quite smart though, only last repainted and refurbished back in 2014 they should look smarter once they get there new floors fitted. The 28 has Crimson refurbished Omnlilinks plus the, 71, 72 and 966 (the 966 will soon change this spring) have new MMC.
Biggest jump in entries in this thread...
More to the point do Uber come in Crimson, Bluesom or Platinumb?
Personally I hope no to more branding, surely its one already gone too far and two isn't that nice looking. If it was something inspired by TWM then maybe
1809 is issuing tickets showing BY9999.
Quote from: Jordan on June 06, 2017, 08:08:29 PM
Saw 41** on 59S
6852 891
@Tony is the 59S BC operated now.
Before the changes it was BY operated, with Omnilinks, usually 17 branded. On Friday 26th May it was 1804. Seems unlikely BY have had a Trident on loan?
Not sure what 1830 was doing but it was parked half and half on Adderley Road by the tennis court/play area opposite Adderley Gardens on the clockwise side. Was displaying 8C and this was about 18:20 as I was walking to Saltley Gate from work to catch the 94
Working a new job with different hours means I see workings I never did previously. This morning I saw 1810 with destination set for schools service 839. Which school does this serve?
And thinking of schools services, when I was at school we had an 826 to Hodge Hill. Does this still run or something similar? Especially as there is no local service to Bromford anymore.
That's the school
Chester Road, The Bagot Arms - Walmley - John Willmott School/Fairfax School
via School Service - Available to the General Public
Quote from: Gareth on June 27, 2017, 08:12:55 AM
Working a new job with different hours means I see workings I never did previously. This morning I saw 1810 with destination set for schools service 839. Which school does this serve?
And thinking of schools services, when I was at school we had an 826 to Hodge Hill. Does this still run or something similar? Especially as there is no local service to Bromford anymore.
The 826 no longer operates and hasn't done for many years. There are no school services serving Hodge Hill School.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on June 20, 2017, 08:10:01 PM
Not sure what 1830 was doing but it was parked half and half on Adderley Road by the tennis court/play area opposite Adderley Gardens on the clockwise side. Was displaying 8A and this was about 18:20 as I was walking to Saltley Gate from work to catch the 94
Should of been 8A side not 8C need to check me routes properly, I also saw another BY Scania coming off Duddeston Mill Road to park up in the same place before taking up service 10 mins later the following day.
1813 has gained Sandwell & Dudley fare zone stickers!
Quote from: V89MOA on September 15, 2017, 09:09:46 AM
1813 has gained Sandwell & Dudley fare zone stickers!
Still had them yesterday
1794 now has new ticket machine
Quote from: John on September 23, 2017, 11:16:07 AM
Still had them yesterday
Still has them, a month later.
1788 has the new ticket machine aswell
1810 definetly couldn't cope with the loads on the 55 this morning, after it got through Ward End it was heavily overcrowded and from Aston Church Road it drove past every stop (except Saltley Gate), from there all the way to to the City Centre, so nobody else could get on as it was to overcrowded.
I noticed as well that the 2 people who boarded at Saltley Gate had invalid passes as well, one of there passes had expired in March.
1810 was at Aston Church Road going towards the City Centre at 10:15
I honestly think 55 should be transferred as a route to another depot. It needs to be ran by double deckers at least on peak times when it is so busy. Heard a few complaints about this, something needs to be done,
It's an ex lea hall route they don't give a toss.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 30, 2017, 07:56:33 PM
It's an ex lea hall route they don't give a toss.
So was the 966...
15 plate Platinums on a former Lea Hall route
A step in the right direction long over due , even those are cast offs
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 30, 2017, 08:09:44 PM
A step in the right direction long over due , even those are cast offs
what would you rather have as cast offs 15 plate platinums or a batch y reg tridents equally a cast off
Quote from: Jack D on November 30, 2017, 07:45:50 PM
I honestly think 55 should be transferred as a route to another depot. It needs to be ran by double deckers at least on peak times when it is so busy. Heard a few complaints about this, something needs to be done,
I certainly agree that something needs to be done. I travel on the 55 towards Birmingham every weekday morning between 8.00am and 8.30am and there are real overcrowding issues between Drews Lane (Ward End Park) & Birmingham City Centre. 50% of my morning journeys result in a non-stop run through Washwood Heath and Saltley because the bus is full to the point of overcrowding. These situations are just potential accidents waiting to happen.
There may well be industry Health and Safety guidelines for the amount of people that can be carried safely when standing but in reality this just isn't physically possible. The reason for that is because the typical scenario being that the 12-15 people standing on the bus are all within 4-5 feet of the driver at the front of the bus, completely blocking the entry and exit points with no interest in moving further down the gangway. This despite the usual requests from the drivers.
Having regularly used this route for several years, i can see a noticeable increase in this overcrowding with in the last 6 months, which coincides with the withdrawal of routes 70 and 72, which resulted in the reduced frequency for the Washwood Heath corridor.
Quote from: 2900 on December 01, 2017, 09:42:55 AM
what would you rather have as cast offs 15 plate platinums or a batch y reg tridents equally a cast off
I'd rather the routes get the same attention in proportion that the certain other routes overly get, that's all.
Quote from: MK on December 01, 2017, 02:33:52 PM
I certainly agree that something needs to be done. I travel on the 55 towards Birmingham every weekday morning between 8.00am and 8.30am and there are real overcrowding issues between Drews Lane (Ward End Park) & Birmingham City Centre. 50% of my morning journeys result in a non-stop run through Washwood Heath and Saltley because the bus is full to the point of overcrowding. These situations are just potential accidents waiting to happen.
There may well be industry Health and Safety guidelines for the amount of people that can be carried safely when standing but in reality this just isn't physically possible. The reason for that is because the typical scenario being that the 12-15 people standing on the bus are all within 4-5 feet of the driver at the front of the bus, completely blocking the entry and exit points with no interest in moving further down the gangway. This despite the usual requests from the drivers.
Having regularly used this route for several years, i can see a noticeable increase in this overcrowding with in the last 6 months, which coincides with the withdrawal of routes 70 and 72, which resulted in the reduced frequency for the Washwood Heath corridor.
Buy buses with dual doors!
I see Bordsley have suspended all their services
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 03, 2018, 04:50:24 PM
1831 - 67
@John has previously said BY operate an evening peak board on the 67
@MasterPlan 1834 was parked up on Stoney Lane in Yardley earlier this afternoon at 16:30, never seen a BY Omnilink there before.
Quote from: 2206 on September 03, 2018, 04:56:47 PM
@John has previously said BY operate an evening peak board on the 67 @MasterPlan
Fair enough, I hadn't seen that. Sorry.
Will bordesleys scanias be the last to get crimsoned or not
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on October 19, 2018, 07:08:12 PM
Will bordesleys scanias be the last to get crimsoned or not
They'll certainly be some of the last buses still in the red and white livery to be crimsoned and the last Omnilinks.
They were some of the last buses to recieve a repaint into the red and white livery (other than 1833 which was done a bit earlier when it was at PB) only a few years back and they still look rather tidy. The
Quote from: 2206 on October 19, 2018, 07:11:47 PM
They'll certainly be some of the last buses still in the red and white livery to be crimsoned and the last Omnilinks.
They were some of the last buses to recieve a repaint into the red and white livery (other than 1833 which was done a bit earlier when it was at PB) only a few years back and they still look rather tidy. The
A lot of them look scruffy with replacement panels etc. They are turing orange too.
Quote from: Jack on October 20, 2018, 11:03:59 AM
A lot of them look scruffy with replacement panels etc. They are turing orange too.
I've not seen any looking orrange other than 1833, they all still look red to me, i've seen a few with scruffy pink replacement panels. But a lot of them do still look fairly smart and tidy, I saw 4723 the other day on the 72 and that did as well, in my opinion.
The only one I can think of that has turned orrange is 1833.
Quote from: Jack on October 20, 2018, 11:03:59 AM
A lot of them look scruffy with replacement panels etc. They are turing orange too.
Pink, yes. Orange, no. Apart from early repaint 1833.
Just seen a 28 branded OmniLink parked right by the gates.
Loan perhaps ?
Inner Circle displays have now been updated. As well as the #Thank You 100 added, the A and C have been made smaller and are at the top of the number 8 both front and rear coming to about halfway down the 8. (Hope someone understands what the hell I'm on about ;D )
Looks a lot smarter too
Quote from: John on November 07, 2018, 08:23:29 PM
Inner Circle displays have now been updated. As well as the #Thank You 100 added, the A and C have been made smaller and are at the top of the number 8 both front and rear coming to about halfway down the 8. (Hope someone understands what the hell I'm on about ;D )
Looks a lot smarter too
@John Like this? ??? http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1750-1953/1831.html (top photo)
Quote from: CL on November 07, 2018, 09:16:19 PM
@John Like this? ??? http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1750-1953/1831.html (top photo)
Not quite. The letter is a bit smaller and at the top of the number rather than the bottom. I suppose there will be a pic of it taken before too long
Quote from: John on November 07, 2018, 09:36:38 PM
Not quite. The letter is a bit smaller and at the top of the number rather than the bottom. I suppose there will be a pic of it taken before too long
Interesting. I'll probably pop over to one of my local stops tomorrow to see for myself! ;)
Quote from: John on November 07, 2018, 08:23:29 PM
Inner Circle displays have now been updated. As well as the #Thank You 100 added, the A and C have been made smaller and are at the top of the number 8 both front and rear coming to about halfway down the 8. (Hope someone understands what the hell I'm on about ;D )
Looks a lot smarter too
The same thing has happened on 11 where some buses have had their displays updated, though it was only on the front destination display.
The vehicle number was 4523.
Quote from: 2206 on November 08, 2018, 05:31:56 PM
The same thing has happened on 11 where some buses have had their displays updated, though it was only on the front destination display.
The vehicle number was 4523.
'E' journeys have too. Saw a 5E to Pheasey like it too
Quote from: John on November 07, 2018, 08:23:29 PM
Inner Circle displays have now been updated. As well as the #Thank You 100 added, the A and C have been made smaller and are at the top of the number 8 both front and rear coming to about halfway down the 8. (Hope someone understands what the hell I'm on about ;D )
Looks a lot smarter too
Saw this on an 8A in Sparkbrook this morning, the correct terminology is that the suffix has been styled 'superscript'.
Like this: 8
A and 8
C ;)
It was no different on the rear though, with the suffix being the same font size.
Some of Wolverhampton are like it aswell
Quote from: Busman Jamie on November 13, 2018, 05:06:22 PM
Some of Wolverhampton are like it aswell
i think all garages will have it cause of the #thankyou100
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on November 13, 2018, 05:22:14 PM
i think all garages will have it cause of the #thankyou100
Yes that's correct, a large percentage of the fleet have it.
1826 passed me at Hockley Circus (working an 8C) with its engine door wide open!
Is the 55 being rerouted via coleshill rd due to the roadworks. Double the frequency of buses in Hodge hill.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 15, 2019, 07:25:06 PM
Is the 55 being rerouted via coleshill rd due to the roadworks. Double the frequency of buses in Hodge hill.
Presumably Stechford Lane roadworks, how long do these last for?
Not that the frequency increase in Hodge Hill will really be needed. The 94 copes after Fox and Goose without the 55.
Back in the day when i used to use the buses every 5 mins on that stretch they all used to be full. If ever have to use the bus, uber isn't working and can cope with extra walk might give the x70/x12 a try.
I catch the same 55 every night, and for the past week or so it's been a 17 branded example. Does a late night 55 now come off the 17? Up until last week it was extremely rare to get a branded bus on that journey.
Quote from: Gareth on May 26, 2019, 06:54:15 PM
I catch the same 55 every night, and for the past week or so it's been a 17 branded example. Does a late night 55 now come off the 17? Up until last week it was extremely rare to get a branded bus on that journey.
Yes, there are now a few running boards on the 17 that now do a couple of trips on the 55 in the evening (and vice versa for late night 55 running boards, i've noticed there are a number of 17 trips in the evening)
Quote from: Nx Sam on July 26, 2019, 05:38:03 PM
2138 on 55 not 2136
@Nx Sam it was 2136 that I saw. The one I saw was a red and white B7RLE.
2138 is a Crimson B7RLE. If you've seen 2138, maybe there have been 2 on there today?
Yes 2137 2138 Crimson B7RLE.
Just saw 2135 on the 8A
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 26, 2019, 06:03:19 PM
Just saw 2135 on the 8A
Put that in Buses on Loan this morning
@Sh4318
Quote from: Squiz1971 on July 26, 2019, 06:51:13 PM
Put that in Buses on Loan this morning @Sh4318
Ahh, ok. I didn't look to be honest. Is it just a loan?
I don't know whether to put this in the modifying services thread or this one but I am going to put them in both. I think that both the 17 and the 55 should be converted to double deckers. They can't put up with single deckers because they are popular routes and do fill up with passengers around school times and even on midday. Where the double deckers come from I don't know but both routes need them.
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 03, 2019, 09:02:31 PM
I don't know whether to put this in the modifying services thread or this one but I am going to put them in both. I think that both the 17 and the 55 should be converted to double deckers. They can't put up with single deckers because they are popular routes and do fill up with passengers around school times and even on midday. Where the double deckers come from I don't know but both routes need them.
17 can't use double deckers, due to a low bridge in Tile Cross.
55 can use double deckers, the 55 used double deckers years back when it was at Lea Hall. The old 56 used to have deckers as well up until 2017.
Its been said BY Garage can't operate double deckers. It could be done by sending the 55 to PB and the 28 to BY. The 28's Heartlands terminus isn't that far from BY Garage.
Yeah, I was thinking about the 28 to BY, it has been mentioned before.
Also why was the 17 rerouted in Tile Cross?
Quote from: 2206 on August 03, 2019, 09:10:54 PM
17 can't use double deckers, due to a low bridge in Tile Cross.
55 can use double deckers, the 55 used double deckers years back when it was at Lea Hall. The old 56 used to have deckers as well up until 2017.
Its been said BY Garage can't operate double deckers. It could be done by sending the 55 to PB and the 28 to BY. The 28's Heartlands terminus isn't that far from BY Garage.
I believe that BY indeed can take deckers. I do remember seeing an OmiCity there once (Admittedly parked outside). I also remember seeing buses going into the garage and their seemed to be enough head space for a decker.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on August 03, 2019, 09:25:41 PM
I believe that BY indeed can take deckers. I do remember seeing an OmiCity there once (Admittedly parked outside). I also remember seeing buses going into the garage and their seemed to be enough head space for a decker.
The planning permission only allows single deck
Notices onboard vehicles that the 17 will have a change of route in the City Centre from September 2019.
It will be using MS8 (which is currently used by the University and Bristol Road services), then up Priory Queensway (presumably turning back round at Old Square to go back down Moor Street Queensway in the opposite direction?). No longer serving Park Street.
Will the University routes still remain at MS8 or still have a stop near Moor Street Station inbound?
I think the route change is Saturday only route change due to traffic on Saturdays 17 service that is
A query is the rerouting of the 55 down Coleshill Road to the Hunters Moon Island & then Stechford Road to normal line of route in both directions a permanent thing? Or just until the roadworks at the Stechford Lane island and the Iron Lane/Flaxley Road remodeling is complete
@Tony?
I believe it's meant to be just during the remodelling but I hope becomes perm
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 17, 2019, 06:25:54 PM
I believe it's meant to be just during the remodelling but I hope becomes perm
i think it's till the end of next year
Why not put the 55 back to original route pre May 2005 via Alum Rock. Haha 😂
Quote from: PB2938 on August 18, 2019, 03:14:10 PM
Why not put the 55 back to original route pre May 2005 via Alum Rock. Haha 😂
Hopefully that never happens.
The 55 helps out on the Washwood Heath Road corridor. Without it the frequency would be halved and the 94 wouldn't cope. Also the Shard End - Fox and Goose link would be lost and it picks up quite a few passengers at Fox & Goose towards Shard End/Chelmsley.
14 adequately serves Alum Rock.
Quote from: 2206 on August 18, 2019, 03:47:33 PM
Hopefully that never happens.
The 55 helps out on the Washwood Heath Road corridor. Without it the frequency would be halved and the 94 wouldn't cope. Also the Shard End - Fox and Goose link would be lost and it picks up quite a few passengers at Fox & Goose towards Shard End/Chelmsley.
14 adequately serves Alum Rock.
I get the impression it was a joke, just as likely as these corridors going platinum.
Just a quick question is there a 17 that turns into a 55 at about half 9 ten o'clock because for the past week and last week I've seen a 17 branded every single night
Quote from: SK68MEV on August 23, 2019, 01:34:44 AM
Just a quick question is there a 17 that turns into a 55 at about half 9 ten o'clock because for the past week and last week I've seen a 17 branded every single night
I used to catch the 9.47pm from Saltley to City every night and for the past few months it was usually 17 branded, so I believe that that journey at least came from a 17.
Quote from: Gareth on August 23, 2019, 05:33:02 AM
I used to catch the 9.47pm from Saltley to City every night and for the past few months it was usually 17 branded, so I believe that that journey at least came from a 17.
Yes, at last check. There is interworking between some 17's and 55's at night.
Quote from: Nathan on August 25, 2019, 11:07:28 AM
Yes, at last check. There is interworking between some 17's and 55's at night.
thanks for the clarification Nathan
I saw a 55 go into chelmsley centre earlier on this evening then as it came back out it was displaying the 17 on the boards, but I do see alot of 17 branded scanias going onto the 55 during the week, the driver normally pulls into the out of use bus stop outside of McDonalds in chelmsley
certain 55 journeys run dead from chelmsley to Tile Cross and then do the same upon return to Tile Cross only happens after 9PM though
Im not sure if people are interested, however passed 1824 on the north bound m40 by jct 15 stratford earlier this afternoon.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 18, 2019, 05:27:17 PM
Im not sure if people are interested, however passed 1824 on the north bound m40 by jct 15 stratford earlier this afternoon.
It's subsituting for a coach on the JLR to Gaydon
1834 was at the Priory Queensway terminus at around 18:15, there was already a bus in front on the stand with a full standing load. The driver on 1834, put 55 up and drove off (which makes no sense to me), leaving about 20 people waiting at the stand as the first one was already full.
Can't see the point of it running, if he's not going to pick passengers up. Disgraceful I think.
Quote from: 2206 on November 14, 2019, 07:32:15 PM
1834 was at the Priory Queensway terminus at around 18:15, there was already a bus in front on the stand with a full standing load. The driver put 55 up and drove off (which makes no sense to me), leaving about 20 people waiting at the stand as the first one was already full.
Can't see the point of it running, if he's not going to pick passengers up. Disgraceful I think.
I'm sure the passengers waiting at the next stop on the route would have been grateful to get on a bus that wasn't full, rather than it driving past them.
Quote from: Stu on November 14, 2019, 07:47:50 PM
I'm sure the passengers waiting at the next stop on the route would have been grateful to get on a bus that wasn't full, rather than it driving past them.
And leaving the majority of passengers behind at the same time. The Priory Queensway stop is the busiest stop on the route, so to miss that stop out makes no sence. Leaving the majority of people behind to wait ages for the next one.
Quote from: 2206 on November 14, 2019, 07:51:12 PM
And leaving the majority of passengers behind at the same time. The Priory Queensway stop is the busiest stop on the route, so to miss that stop out makes no sence. Leaving the majority of people behind to wait ages for the next one.
But you miss the point I was making - what about the passengers waiting at the next stop, or the one after that, or further down the route? Is it fair on those passengers if they can't get on a bus that's full? Perhaps in a way it is better if one bus leaves empty so that other passengers at other stops have a chance of getting on.
Quote from: 2206 on November 14, 2019, 07:32:15 PM
1834 was at the Priory Queensway terminus at around 18:15, there was already a bus in front on the stand with a full standing load. The driver on 1834, put 55 up and drove off (which makes no sense to me), leaving about 20 people waiting at the stand as the first one was already full.
Can't see the point of it running, if he's not going to pick passengers up. Disgraceful I think.
The driver may not of been aware of how full the bus infront was, normally when a second bus arrives the back end of the queue make a dash for that bus. If there had been a gap in service due to congestion, weather etc makes a lot of sense for a second bus to move off and begin loading passengers waiting at subsequent stops. If I'm honest I think I'd have done the same.
On busy routes (Soho Road, Dudley Road, 50, Outer Circle...) where two buses on the same route are running together the front bus often doesn't stop because if it does the bus immediately behind can't get onto the stop and both are held up.
Maybe the second 55 was running later than the one Infront and was trying to make time up
Can't the LED display be changed to indicate that the bus is full and there's no more room?
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 17, 2019, 11:28:35 AM
Can't the LED display be changed to indicate that the bus is full and there's no more room?
No one would pay attention to that. We used to have an unload only display a few years ago but it has long gone
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 17, 2019, 11:28:35 AM
Can't the LED display be changed to indicate that the bus is full and there's no more room?
i do believe there is a I'm dropping off only display as the 70 uses it on the school run when there is a platinum
Caught the 55 from City to Kingshurst the other day. Really surprised just how much this route has changed since I last caught it around 1996. I knew of it using Washwood Heath Rd, but even the route around Shard End is unrecognisable.
Quote from: B.C Driver on January 08, 2020, 12:08:16 PM
Caught the 55 from City to Kingshurst the other day. Really surprised just how much this route has changed since I last caught it around 1996. I knew of it using Washwood Heath Rd, but even the route around Shard End is unrecognisable.
The route has been changed since the last two East Birmingham consultations. It now serves pretty much all of Shard End now.
1811 overcrowded before even getting to the Fox and Goose towards City Centre on the 55 this morning and the busy Washwood Heath Road.
Needs a double decker at peak times I think.
Quote from: 2206 on January 30, 2020, 09:15:15 AM
1811 overcrowded before even getting to the Fox and Goose towards City Centre on the 55 this morning and the busy Washwood Heath Road.
Needs a double decker at peak times I think.
So does the 17 but unfortunately BG can't have deckers.
Quote from: Busboy105 on January 30, 2020, 11:26:32 AM
So does the 17 but unfortunately BG can't have deckers.
Nearby garage Birmingham Central does *shrugs*
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 30, 2020, 01:48:38 PM
Nearby garage Birmingham Central does *shrugs*
BC DD's have work already.
Quote from: Winston on January 30, 2020, 01:49:37 PM
BC DD's have work already.
So a couple of BC peak extras would be out of the question?
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 30, 2020, 01:53:33 PM
So a couple of BC peak extras would be out of the question?
Depends how many spares they have.
Quote from: Winston on January 30, 2020, 01:54:28 PM
Depends how many spares they have.
Given the loans from BY recently (ironically), probably not much.
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 30, 2020, 03:03:40 PM
Given the loans from BY recently (ironically), probably not much.
Depends, various buses are away being upgraded to Euro 6.
Until the YW electrics arrive, doubt there's that much spare capacity other than for single deckers
2 young kids trying to board the 55 and 94 services without paying at Washwood Heath Road, St Agatha's Road stop towards Chelmsley earlier today in Ward End.
Same kids then started running in the road alongside 1804 on the 55 heading towards the City Centre at 15:30, all the way down to Sladefield Road as the bus was in traffic, running up to the bus and out into the road, kicking the doors repeatablly, as well as messing with the emergency door open button.
Seen them causing a nuicance before many times, and trying to get on the 55 and 94 without paying.
These 2 young kids look very young, i'd guess about 5 and 8. And they've clearly got no sense as well.
Quote from: 2206 on February 05, 2020, 05:58:26 PM
2 young kids trying to board the 55 and 94 services without paying at Washwood Heath Road, St Agatha's Road stop towards Chelmsley earlier today in Ward End.
Same kids then started running in the road alongside 1804 on the 55 heading towards the City Centre at 15:30, all the way down to Sladefield Road as the bus was in traffic, running up to the bus and out into the road kicking the doors repeatablly, as well as messing with the emergency door opens button.
Seen them causing a nuicance before many times, and trying to get on the 55 and 94 without paying.
These 2 young kids look very young, i'd guess about 5 and 8. And they've clearly got no sense as well.
so did you report the anti social behaviour to safer travel
Quote from: karl724223 on February 05, 2020, 06:26:32 PM
so did you report the anti social behaviour to safer travel
I have done now, yes.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 04, 2020, 07:12:50 PM
Re election I see lol, the lot has done the rounds over the years to be fair lol. Might see investment in alum rock and wash wood Heath Rd bus corridors before it happens.
Caught the Washwood Heath Road routes again at about 5PM this evening, overcrowded single deckers on the 55 leaving the City Centre such as 1813 and 1829, a poor and inadequate allocation for a very busy corridor. And old Gemini on the 94.
Shame these routes never receive any investment, while West Birmingham is full of platinums, these very busy corridors get old Tridents/Gemini and single deckers allocated to very busy routes.
Quote from: 2206 on February 05, 2020, 08:40:01 PM
I have done now, yes.
Caught the Washwood Heath Road routes again at about 5PM this evening, overcrowded single deckers on the 55 leaving the City Centre such as 1813 and 1829, a poor and inadequate allocation for a very busy corridor. And old Gemini on the 94.
Shame these routes never receive any investment, while West Birmingham is full of platinums, these very busy corridors get old Tridents/Gemini and single deckers allocated to very busy routes.
Are you monkey joe in disguise? It's been noted that the 97 is regularly seeing e400s, 94 gets e400s too
Quote from: 2206 on February 05, 2020, 08:40:01 PM
I have done now, yes.
Caught the Washwood Heath Road routes again at about 5PM this evening, overcrowded single deckers on the 55 leaving the City Centre such as 1813 and 1829, a poor and inadequate allocation for a very busy corridor. And old Gemini on the 94.
Shame these routes never receive any investment, while West Birmingham is full of platinums, these very busy corridors get old Tridents/Gemini and single deckers allocated to very busy routes.
NX probably do know the overcrowding issue on the 55 but what are double deckers are going to be swapped with the Scanias? Plus BG doesn't have permission to have double deckers on it so the only solution is to move the 55 to another garage. The 17 is another route that suffers from overcrowding but it can't use double deckers because of the low bridges in Tile Cross.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 05, 2020, 09:34:28 PM
Are you monkey joe in disguise? It's been noted that the 97 is regularly seeing e400s, 94 gets e400s too
Of course that side never has investment yet the X1/X2 received new Platinums in 2015 and 2016 and still have newer ones on them. The X70 has E400's and a half arsed allocation of Platinums. X12 has Platinums and the 73 has Crimson E400MMC's daily.
I mean some of the North Brum services haven't had new buses in 19 years... the 65. The ever changing 52 has never had an actual upgrade. The 28 hasn't had new buses for 13 years either but you don't hear people whinging, people just use the bus whether it's new or old, threadbare seats or part leather seats...
Quote from: Jack on February 05, 2020, 10:57:17 PM
Of course that side never has investment yet the X1/X2 received new Platinums in 2015 and 2016 and still have newer ones on them. The X70 has E400's and a half arsed allocation of Platinums. X12 has Platinums and the 73 has Crimson E400MMC's daily.
I mean some of the North Brum services haven't had new buses in 19 years... the 65. The ever changing 52 has never had an actual upgrade. The 28 hasn't had new buses for 13 years either but you don't hear people whinging, people just use the bus whether it's new or old, threadbare seats or part leather seats...
Much rather have an old Trident on a busy route like the 55 than an awful Omnilink, at least passengers would actually get a seat.
94 still gets mostly Gemini (A few extra 11 year old 09 plate E400 is hardly an investment) and from what I saw today the 97 was mostly Trident (Also saw 1 E400 and 1 B7RLE.
In contrast lots of services in other parts of the City get new buses every few years, such as the 50.
X12 doesn't serve any of the main corridors in East Birmingham - I.E - Alum Rock Road, Washwood Heath Road, or 97. The last time one of the main and busy East Birmingham corridors had any new buses must be the Omnilinks for the 97 back in 2007.
28 could be operated out of BY surely, the terminus at Heartlands isn't far from the depot. Then the 55 could be operated by deckers
@Busboy105 Or the 66.
Quote from: 2206 on February 05, 2020, 11:24:12 PM
Much rather have an old Trident on a busy route like the 55 than an awful Omnilink, at least passengers would actually get a seat.
94 still gets mostly Gemini (A few extra 11 year old 09 plate E400 is hardly an investment) and from what I saw today the 97 was mostly Trident (Also saw 1 E400 and 1 B7RLE.
In contrast lots of services in other parts of the City get new buses every few years, such as the 50.
X12 doesn't serve any of the main corridors in East Birmingham - I.E - Alum Rock Road, Washwood Heath Road, or 97. The last time one of the main and busy East Birmingham corridors had any new buses must be the Omnilinks for the 97 back in 2007.
28 could be operated out of BY surely, the terminus at Heartlands isn't far from the depot. Then the 55 could be operated by deckers @Busboy105 Or the 66.
I agree with you entirely about single deckers on the 55, but running the 28 from Bordesley would lead to more running costs due to most buses starting and finishing at the Great Barr end of the route, the same goes with the 66, otherwise i think it would of happened by now.
Quote from: 2206 on February 05, 2020, 11:24:12 PM
Much rather have an old Trident on a busy route like the 55 than an awful Omnilink, at least passengers would actually get a seat.
94 still gets mostly Gemini (A few extra 11 year old 09 plate E400 is hardly an investment) and from what I saw today the 97 was mostly Trident (Also saw 1 E400 and 1 B7RLE.
In contrast lots of services in other parts of the City get new buses every few years, such as the 50.
X12 doesn't serve any of the main corridors in East Birmingham - I.E - Alum Rock Road, Washwood Heath Road, or 97. The last time one of the main and busy East Birmingham corridors had any new buses must be the Omnilinks for the 97 back in 2007.
28 could be operated out of BY surely, the terminus at Heartlands isn't far from the depot. Then the 55 could be operated by deckers @Busboy105 Or the 66.
The 50 gets new buses because of the new bus lanes. But it's true, some areas of Birmingham receive less investment than others. I think the areas have a huge part to play in that. NX don't wanna risk having their new buses' windows being shattered every time.
Quote from: Busboy105 on February 06, 2020, 07:53:39 AM
The 50 gets new buses because of the new bus lanes. But it's true, some areas of Birmingham receive less investment than others. I think the areas have a huge part to play in that. NX don't wanna risk having their new buses' windows being shattered every time.
I presume you have the stats of which areas the most damage then to know that?
Since platinum new buses have been allocated to routes where the council's are willing to improve the infrastructure. As simple as thay
Quote from: Tony on February 06, 2020, 03:58:34 PM
I presume you have the stats of which areas the most damage then to know that?
Since platinum new buses have been allocated to routes where the council's are willing to improve the infrastructure. As simple as thay
I do not think it is an area problem it is a social problem
@Tony I was recently on a PN6 at Dudley Top Church when a brick splintered a Streetdeck window which I duly made a full report to WMT and ccd in. TFWM.
Quote from: 2206 on February 05, 2020, 08:40:01 PM
Caught the Washwood Heath Road routes again at about 5PM this evening, overcrowded single deckers on the 55 leaving the City Centre such as 1813 and 1829, a poor and inadequate allocation for a very busy corridor. And old Gemini on the 94.
I don't use the 55 or 94, though I am familiar with the area, and the routes these take.
During the daytimes, my understanding is that the single deck operated 55 runs every 10 minutes, while the double deck 94 also runs about every 10 minutes. Thus the two routes should somewhat combine together and offer a frequency between every 5 to 10 minutes.
The question that needs to be asked and answered, to be able to understand this situation and resolve it, is why are the buses on the 55 overcrowded? And along which part of the route?
The 55 and 94 follow the same route between city centre and Hodge Hill. Is it the case that when gaps appear, people are just cramming themselves onto the single decks because they're the first ones to stop, despite the fact there might be a double-deck on the 94 just behind?
Are the single-decks actually overcrowded, or do they just appear to be, because so many people would rather stand in the narrow gangway than sit on any available seat if it means having to sit next to someone else?
That has certainly been my own experience, fighting my way onto a seemingly overcrowded single-deck bus, then finding after forcing my way through the crowd congregated in the gangway by the driver, that there are in fact seats available towards the rear of the bus. That's the aspect that really pisses me off, especially when the driver sees a large crowd right by them, and thus decides to drive past stops.
Quote from: 2206 on February 05, 2020, 08:40:01 PMShame these routes never receive any investment, while West Birmingham is full of platinums, these very busy corridors get old Tridents/Gemini and single deckers allocated to very busy routes.
I think it would be delightful if National Express West Midlands could replace all 1600 vehicles in its fleet every couple of years, but sadly economics of scale make that impossible. I thought you were better than to repeat monkeyjoes tired rhetoric about 'lack of investment'.
For your information, in my area of south Birmingham (Billesley and Yardley Wood), with the exception of the Outer Circle, the newest buses we have are the Scania Omnilinks on the 27, all the other routes (2, 3, 18, 27, 49 and 76) mostly use battered old Tridents.
Going back to the 55, it sounds like the remedy would be to do what was done with the 6, and use double-decks instead. But the problem is that BY can't have double-decks, and even if so, there aren't enough double-decks in the fleet to be able to do this.
Quote from: Stu on February 06, 2020, 07:14:11 PM
Going back to the 55, it sounds like the remedy would be to do what was done with the 6, and use double-decks instead. But the problem is that BY can't have double-decks, and even if so, there aren't enough double-decks in the fleet to be able to do this.
And even if Bordesley could operate Double Decks and some were transferred in which route would the Scanias be put on?
Quote from: Tony on February 06, 2020, 07:18:36 PM
And even if Bordesley could operate Double Decks and some were transferred in which route would the Scanias be put on?
Could you do it when 1750-1773 get withdrawn, by moving Scanias across with new double deckers on the A47 corridor? Just wondering as some of the Dundee ones seem to be falling by the wayside.
Quote from: don on February 06, 2020, 07:38:58 PM
Could you do it when 1750-1773 get withdrawn, by moving Scanias across with new double deckers on the A47 corridor? Just wondering as some of the Dundee ones seem to be falling by the wayside.
There is going to be some use for 1774-1787, they are still only 13 years old.
The Bordesley Scanias are unique for another reason as well. They are maintained by MAN, not directly by NX, that is why those 49 never move now. 1876/7 are actually allocated to BC for maintenance but are permanently working from Bordesley as cover for painting and trap fitting
Quote from: Tony on February 06, 2020, 07:18:36 PM
And even if Bordesley could operate Double Decks and some were transferred in which route would the Scanias be put on?
NX should expand their UK bus portfolio whilst they're in a stronger position than their piers, it's a buyers market at present.
They could use any acquired businesses to cascade & re-balance the proportion of single deckers within NXWM.
Quote from: Tony on February 06, 2020, 07:44:39 PM
There is going to be some use for 1774-1787, they are still only 13 years old.
The Bordesley Scanias are unique for another reason as well. They are maintained by MAN, not directly by NX, that is why those 49 never move now. 1876/7 are actually allocated to BC for maintenance but are permanently working from Bordesley as cover for painting and trap fitting
I shall watch with interest (and less blood pressure than a certain other subject 😬👍)
Quote from: Tony on February 06, 2020, 07:18:36 PM
And even if Bordesley could operate Double Decks and some were transferred in which route would the Scanias be put on?
Exactly, you'd find yourself in the same predicament you have at YW, with a surplus of single-deck vehicles being used on routes that do need double-decks at times, eg the 2, 3 and 18.
Just out of interest Tony, would NX ever consider selling such vehicles they had a surplus of on the second-hand market?
Quote from: Stu on February 06, 2020, 08:06:11 PM
Exactly, you'd find yourself in the same predicament you have at YW, with a surplus of single-deck vehicles being used on routes that do need double-decks at times, eg the 2, 3 and 18.
Just out of interest Tony, would NX ever consider selling such vehicles they had a surplus of on the second-hand market?
If the price you could get match the book value yes. But Euro 3/4 heavy weight single decks are virtually worthless.
Quote from: Tony on February 06, 2020, 08:08:41 PM
If the price you could get match the book value yes. But Euro 3/4 heavy weight single decks are virtually worthless.
Everyone now wants Euro 6 which has killed the used sales market.
Quote from: Stu on February 06, 2020, 07:14:11 PM
I don't use the 55 or 94, though I am familiar with the area, and the routes these take.
During the daytimes, my understanding is that the single deck operated 55 runs every 10 minutes, while the double deck 94 also runs about every 10 minutes. Thus the two routes should somewhat combine together and offer a frequency between every 5 to 10 minutes.
The question that needs to be asked and answered, to be able to understand this situation and resolve it, is why are the buses on the 55 overcrowded? And along which part of the route?
The 55 and 94 follow the same route between city centre and Hodge Hill. Is it the case that when gaps appear, people are just cramming themselves onto the single decks because they're the first ones to stop, despite the fact there might be a double-deck on the 94 just behind?
Are the single-decks actually overcrowded, or do they just appear to be, because so many people would rather stand in the narrow gangway than sit on any available seat if it means having to sit next to someone else?
That has certainly been my own experience, fighting my way onto a seemingly overcrowded single-deck bus, then finding after forcing my way through the crowd congregated in the gangway by the driver, that there are in fact seats available towards the rear of the bus. That's the aspect that really pisses me off, especially when the driver sees a large crowd right by them, and thus decides to drive past stops.
I think it would be delightful if National Express West Midlands could replace all 1600 vehicles in its fleet every couple of years, but sadly economics of scale make that impossible. I thought you were better than to repeat monkeyjoes tired rhetoric about 'lack of investment'.
For your information, in my area of south Birmingham (Billesley and Yardley Wood), with the exception of the Outer Circle, the newest buses we have are the Scania Omnilinks on the 27, all the other routes (2, 3, 18, 27, 49 and 76) mostly use battered old Tridents.
Going back to the 55, it sounds like the remedy would be to do what was done with the 6, and use double-decks instead. But the problem is that BY can't have double-decks, and even if so, there aren't enough double-decks in the fleet to be able to do this.
I use the 17, which is another route that suffers from overcrowding between Birmingham and Green Lane (Mansel Road). The main reason is that the 17 tends to run late more often than not which leads to 3 to 4 buses turning up at once. The problem is that NX can't up the frequency; it runs every 8 minutes (doesn't feel that way though). I would create a new route to run alongside it to help ease the 17 but given how the last couple of routes went (the 13,15 and the 73 for people who don't know. Even the Diamond 17 with the blue branded Darts. Miss them. Diamond did a good job on those liveries. Anyway moving on), they were either withdrawn, replaced or shortened so there's not really anything that can be done about it.
1883 is on the 55 today. First time I've seen it on there.
Quote from: 2206 on February 13, 2020, 03:44:19 PM
1883 is on the 55 today. First time I've seen it on there.
Is it a transfer or a loan? Boarded it on the 8A.
Quote from: Busboy105 on February 14, 2020, 01:25:17 PM
Is it a transfer or a loan? Boarded it on the 8A.
@Busboy105 see post #1806
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=16.1800
Announcement on the radio of 1821 on the 55 - Something about 20 youths waiting under a bridge somewhere and causing problems on BY 17 service
1821 was also waiting at City Centre stop for ages and left 15 minutes late. Due to late driver who said it was because he was waiting for a delayed 94.
Quote from: 2206 on March 02, 2020, 02:44:31 PM
Announcement on the radio of 1821 on the 55 - Something about 20 youths waiting under a bridge somewhere and causing problems on BY 17 service
1821 was also waiting at City Centre stop for ages and left 15 minutes late. Due to late driver who said it was because he was waiting for a delayed 94.
Must be either the Bordesley Station bridge or the Radleys bridge.
1901 is on the 55 today.
Im guessing that's a swap for 1871
1945 is also now at BY from WB
Took 1830 on the 17 this morning. Driver won't allow cash payments due to a fault with the chute or the ticket machine.( most likely the latter. The flap just opened out of nowhere!). Surprised that it was allowed out because of this.
Quote from: Busboy105 on March 13, 2020, 08:41:37 AM
Took 1830 on the 17 this morning. Driver won't allow cash payments due to a fault with the chute or the ticket machine.( most likely the latter. The flap just opened out of nowhere!). Surprised that it was allowed out because of this.
Faults generally occur on the road, not in the garage
Quote from: Busboy105 on March 13, 2020, 08:41:37 AM
Took 1830 on the 17 this morning. Driver won't allow cash payments due to a fault with the chute or the ticket machine.( most likely the latter. The flap just opened out of nowhere!). Surprised that it was allowed out because of this.
Surely they should take the bus out of service? What happens if you can't pay with contactless? That could be a bit of lost revenue for NX.
Quote from: NXWMFAN1105 on March 13, 2020, 10:40:55 AM
Surely they should take the bus out of service? What happens if you can't pay with contactless? That could be a bit of lost revenue for NX.
Especially for a busy route like the 17.
Quote from: NXWMFAN1105 on March 13, 2020, 10:40:55 AM
Surely they should take the bus out of service? What happens if you can't pay with contactless? That could be a bit of lost revenue for NX.
So you would prefer to leave people on the roadside, than give them a free ride while a change bus was sorted?
6939 on x10 also has ticket machine broken, not accepting any cash payments
Quote from: Winston on March 19, 2020, 12:30:02 PM
NX Group Announcement:
https://www.nationalexpressgroup.com/newsmedia/corporate-news/2020/covid-19-update/
" UK bus is reducing its networks similar to a typical Sunday service, which amounts to the removal of around 40% of bus mileage."
Interesting they are dropping the frequency of services down to low frequencies. Must be expecting a big drop in passengers then over the next few weeks.
Caught 1821 on the 55 this afternoon which was overcrowded and left people at the stops, so no shortage of passengers it seems at the minute.
Quote from: 2206 on March 19, 2020, 04:50:06 PM
" UK bus is reducing its networks similar to a typical Sunday service, which amounts to the removal of around 40% of bus mileage."
Interesting they are dropping the frequency of services down to low frequencies. Must be expecting a big drop in passengers then over the next few weeks.
Caught 1821 on the 55 this afternoon which was overcrowded and left people at the stops, so no shortage of passengers it seems at the minute.
But according to you, every bus you catch is overcrowded ::)
Quote from: Dom on March 19, 2020, 05:13:09 PM
But according to you, every bus you catch is overcrowded ::)
No, that's rubbish.
I went on 4506 on the 94 earlier that wasn't overcrowded and other buses this week that weren't
And services that I saw seemed to still be carrying good passenger loads today.
Bet you weren't on 1821 today then. There were around 15 standing after leaving Saltley and left about 10 people behind on Washwood Heath Road. Then around 20 standing by the time it got to Ward End.
Just had news that a young Bordesley driver off the 8 route has passed away!
And dome people wonder why we go on about non-essential travel.
My condolences to his family & colleagues.
I know a lot of my guys know a lot of bordesley drivers so I'm sure they would also wish to pass on their condolences.
I follow in you sentiments about essential travel only.
Bus drivers livers are on the line & drivers are dying throughout the country.
For those that say "well theres no proof he caught it on the bus" with all due respects you're just coming up with excuses yo justify your actions.
Stay home unless absolutely necessary.
Quote from: Tony on April 05, 2020, 04:18:40 PM
Just had news that a young Bordesley driver off the 8 route has passed away!
And dome people wonder why we go on about non-essential travel.
My condolences to all who new him.
My heart goes out to all his family and friends
My Deepest Sympathies to Family, Colleagues and Friends & My Thanks & Thoughts Are With All Drivers At All Bus Companies Across The West Midlands & Worcestershire.
Condolences to his family and friends. A very sad day.
https://www.facebook.com/1528998298/posts/10222606373257895/
The driver who has passed away
Link not working mate.
For those whonthe link doesn't work
Rest in peace
RIP very sad and worrying news.
Please everyone stay at home unless travel is essential shopping once a week.
If you can walk to the shops then please do so. As few people as possible on public transport l. Let's keep buses & trains safe for the nhs
Very sad, condolences to colleagues and family. If you MUST use a bus , sit on your own and stay away from the platform 'til the bus stops please.
Has 1790 been crimsoned recently?
Quote from: Busboy105 on April 13, 2020, 03:19:13 PM
Has 1790 been crimsoned recently?
Has been for a while. It was in crimson prior to the lockdown. Since the start of March I think.
Current operational fleet
1790
1792
1797
1799
1802
1803
1806
1807
1808
1815
1817
1819
1826
1830
1831
1818 & 1834 returning to service on Monday for increased PVR
Seen 1804 around 4pm and it was alternating between the regular destination display and the Bus Full-Social Distancing. The funny thing is though... there was only one passenger on the bus :D :D :D
55 seems to be operating to a near normal timetable now between City Centre and Buckland End.
With a Buckland End short between every full 55 to Chelmsley all day.
Quote from: 2206 on June 16, 2020, 04:41:04 PM
55 seems to be operating to a near normal timetable now between City Centre and Buckland End.
With a Buckland End short between every full 55 to Chelmsley all day.
Is that a near normal between City and Buckland End only or near normal between City and Chelmsley with extras on top?
Quote from: Gareth on June 16, 2020, 04:43:09 PM
Is that a near normal between City and Buckland End only or near normal between City and Chelmsley with extras on top?
City Centre to Buckland End is near normal with 8 buses per hour. Combined with the 94 the 55/94 are approximately every 5 minutes. Buckland End to Chelmsley is every 15 minutes. Full timetable the 55 is running to is here:
http://www.travelinemidlands.co.uk/wmtis/XSLT_TTB_REQUEST?language=en&command=direct&net=cen&line=33055&sup=R&itdLPxx_direction=H&project=y11&outputFormat=0&itdLPxx_displayHeader=false&itdLPxx_sessionID=EFA02_52457906&lineVer=18&itdLPxx_spTr=18&itdLPxx_operatorCodeForTTB=NXB
Rumour has it Boardsley green is to close any truth?
Interesting if true all these new super sites around brum.
Quote from: Nxwm on July 01, 2020, 10:43:41 AM
Rumour has it Boardsley green is to close any truth?
Confirmed today in an internal email that yes the garage is to close expected date is October.
17 to AG
8a/8c to PB
55 to BC
Quote from: D10 on July 01, 2020, 04:37:47 PM
Confirmed today in an internal email that yes the garage is to close expected date is October.
17 to AG
8a/8c to PB
55 to BC
A rumour that's been going around for years lol, finally it's happening!
Is the head office of NXWM still there? If not, where did it move to?
Wasn't BC supposed to be closing too?
Quote from: ellspurs on July 01, 2020, 04:53:56 PM
Is the head office of NXWM still there? If not, where did it move to?
Yes it is still there, see NXWM's website:
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/contact-us/contact-national-express (https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/contact-us/contact-national-express)
Even if the garage closes, it is possible for the Head Office to stay there.
It has happened elsewhere, Arriva North West's head office is still in the offices at Aintree but the adjacent garage was closed in 1995 and was sold off with a Wickes DIY store now on the site.
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 01, 2020, 04:55:53 PM
Wasn't BC supposed to be closing too?
Yes it is, but only when the owner of the BC site finds a suitable site / sites to replace it with & builds it or them. I would be surprised if the move of the 55 was not taken into account when NXWM was specify the size of the replacement/s.
Quote from: D10 on July 01, 2020, 04:37:47 PM
Confirmed today in an internal email that yes the garage is to close expected date is October.
17 to AG
8a/8c to PB
55 to BC
I would of thought the 55 would go to PB so it can run with the 94 and have the 8A/8C at BC instead
Wouldn't it make sense for the 17 to move to Central too?
Quote from: markcf83 on July 01, 2020, 05:56:03 PM
Wouldn't it make sense for the 17 to move to Central too?
Acocks Green is a stone's throw away from Yew Tree in Yardley. I'd have thought moving the 17 to BC would've made sense too - but I suppose it saves having to be relocated again when Central meets its closure.
On another note, could this mean the return of the Omnilinks at AG & BC? :o
Quote from: CL on July 01, 2020, 06:01:53 PM
Acocks Green is a stone's throw away from Yew Tree in Yardley. I'd have thought moving the 17 to BC would've made sense too - but I suppose it saves having to be relocated again when Central meets its closure.
Your logic seems strange, one minte you say the route is close to AG, then say another garage would make more sense
Quote from: markcf83 on July 01, 2020, 05:56:03 PM
Wouldn't it make sense for the 17 to move to Central too?
No, don't agree with that, the 17 can run dead to/from Tile Cross to AG via Sheldon and Olton, less dead mileage
Quote from: D10 on July 01, 2020, 04:37:47 PM
Confirmed today in an internal email that yes the garage is to close expected date is October.
17 to AG
8a/8c to PB
55 to BC
Gives the potential in making the 17 and 55 double decker and the scanias can be used on routes that need singles
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on July 01, 2020, 06:10:22 PM
scanias can be used on routes that need singles
Which are?
Quote from: Tony on July 01, 2020, 06:03:10 PM
Your logic seems strange, one minute you say the route is close to AG, then say another garage would make more sense
Apologies - I was taking BC's closure into consideration when making my point. I didn't say another garage would make "more" sense, though; it was in agreement with the post I was replying to.
My point was that in either case, whichever garage the 17 would relocate to, it would make equal sense to me - as I've acknowledged that both garages are within the vicinity of the route. I can understand if I wasn't initially clear on that.
The 17 goes under one of the small bridges in Tile Cross as well, so would have to stay single decker.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on July 01, 2020, 06:10:22 PM
Gives the potential in making the 17 and 55 double decker and the scanias can be used on routes that need singles
I seen statements like this before, if you convert a single decker route to double decker, then you need to find a home for the single deckers which would mean put them on routes that have double deckers, therefore defeating the object
Quote from: Steve3229vp on July 01, 2020, 05:51:09 PM
I would of thought the 55 would go to PB so it can run with the 94 and have the 8A/8C at BC instead
The closest route to PB garage is the 8A/C.
The closest route to AG garage is a tossup between the 8A/C and 17, but when 8A/C is taken out of the equation it is the 17.
Therefore the 55 goes to BC.
I'm sure there's capacities and such that have been looked into as well to come with the above decision.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on July 01, 2020, 06:10:22 PM
Gives the potential in making the 17 and 55 double decker and the scanias can be used on routes that need singles
There aren't any routes that need singles, if anything far more deckers are required, as too many singles in the fleet as it is.
I do wonder if the rumour I heard about a year ago, that NX are planning to move the head office to Digbeth, have anything to do with this.
Quote from: StourValley98 on July 01, 2020, 07:24:39 PM
I do wonder if the rumour I heard about a year ago, that NX are planning to move the head office to Digbeth, have anything to do with this.
I remember that rumour too, would save on costs after this delightful year to date.
Does that mean this garage would have been operational for the shortest period time vs other closed sites. It's not been open that long or is it i'm just getting old now?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 01, 2020, 08:25:17 PM
Does that mean this garage would have been operational for the shortest period time vs other closed sites. It's not been open that long or is it i'm just getting old now?
Elliot Road is the shortest lived garage
Ooo the Selly Oak job remember that. What about these plans to move the X12 to BC and the X1 to AG, is all that still happening?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 01, 2020, 08:25:17 PM
Does that mean this garage would have been operational for the shortest period time vs other closed sites. It's not been open that long or is it i'm just getting old now?
No, you're not getting old. BG opened in 2005; I wasn't in Birmingham for another 2 years when it opened.
Quote from: Busboy105 on July 01, 2020, 08:45:47 PM
No, you're not getting old. BG opened in 2005; I wasn't in Birmingham for another 2 years when it opened.
15 years IS a short time to be operational for!
I was going to make a comment about when my old bus route had a dedicated upgrade but won't lol.
Quote from: Winston on July 01, 2020, 07:20:16 PM
There aren't any routes that need singles, if anything far more deckers are required, as too many singles in the fleet as it is.
Certainly not at BC. I wonder how many Scanias they'll get from Bordesley for the 55.
Looking forward to a sneaky double deck appearance on the 55. Last time I saw one was Boxing Day 2011. BC we're operating BY routes that day. Was also exciting getting a Scania on the inner circle instead of the usual Merc.
Where do double deckers stand on the 8? Saw a HY President on there in 2005. And before the Mercs arrived it was regularly Metrobus.
Quote from: Gareth on July 01, 2020, 09:39:35 PM
Looking forward to a sneaky double deck appearance on the 55. Last time I saw one was Boxing Day 2011. BC we're operating BY routes that day. Was also exciting getting a Scania on the inner circle instead of the usual Merc.
Where do double deckers stand on the 8? Saw a HY President on there in 2005. And before the Mercs arrived it was regularly Metrobus.
Only B7/ALX400 or E400MMC are allowed under bridge. Trident, Gemini, E400 and Scania are too tall, so ON will have a total ban for safety
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 01, 2020, 09:30:25 PM
Certainly not at BC. I wonder how many Scanias they'll get from Bordesley for the 55.
Wander if it will see off the last B7RLE at BC as well? Maybe with a swap of 2137 (and 2136 if its back by that point) for 2 Scanias from Walsall (1837/1838)?
Which would standardise the single decker fleet there.
What exactly is the pvr of the routes and I thought these scanias were unique as they are maintained by MAN
Aston has a big yard could they have at least the inner circle 8 buses? I would not have thought BC,AG & PB have any space available.
Quote from: midlandred2003 on July 02, 2020, 10:03:25 AM
Aston has a big yard could they have at least the inner circle 8 buses? I would not have thought BC,AG & PB have any space available.
Is that the NEAT depot in Aston?
It looks like its be confirmed as happening though, so presumably BC, AG & PB do have the space available?
Quote from: D10 on July 01, 2020, 04:37:47 PM
Confirmed today in an internal email that yes the garage is to close expected date is October.
17 to AG
8a/8c to PB
55 to BC
Quote from: SK68MEV on July 02, 2020, 02:12:59 AM
What exactly is the pvr of the routes and I thought these scanias were unique as they are maintained by MAN
Allow 10 percent to cover spares and a couple more if they're in the Walsall paintshop. Roughly 42 is my guess.
Quote from: Gareth on July 01, 2020, 09:39:35 PM
Looking forward to a sneaky double deck appearance on the 55. Last time I saw one was Boxing Day 2011. BC we're operating BY routes that day. Was also exciting getting a Scania on the inner circle instead of the usual Merc.
Where do double deckers stand on the 8? Saw a HY President on there in 2005. And before the Mercs arrived it was regularly Metrobus.
There's a photo of a Trident on the 8C. However, there is a low bridge in Highgate so I doubt there will be double-decks on the 8A/C.
Quote from: Busboy105 on July 02, 2020, 02:17:44 PM
There's a photo of a Trident on the 8C. However, there is a low bridge in Highgate so I doubt there will be double-decks on the 8A/C.
Could probably be seeing the Platinums at PB make appearances on the 8, as they are allowed.
Hopefully BC will start to use more Double Decks on the 55 during the day.
Quote from: Busboy105 on July 02, 2020, 02:17:44 PM
There's a photo of a Trident on the 8C. However, there is a low bridge in Highgate so I doubt there will be double-decks on the 8A/C.
The Highgate Bridge and the bridge on the 5 were able to take Gemini's/Tridents before. Not sure what the correct terminology is, you'd have to ask Tony about that, but basically they're not allowed anymore. They will still fit through though.
Quote from: Jack on July 02, 2020, 02:33:30 PM
Could probably be seeing the Platinums at PB make appearances on the 8, as they are allowed.
Hopefully BC will start to use more Double Decks on the 55 during the day.
See my previous post. There will be a complete ban on deckers on the 8 to save the risk mistakes
Quote from: Busboy105 on July 02, 2020, 02:17:44 PM
There's a photo of a Trident on the 8C. However, there is a low bridge in Highgate so I doubt there will be double-decks on the 8A/C.
Where is there a photo of a Trident? Last deckers I know of were Presidents from HY
Quote from: Busboy105 on July 02, 2020, 02:17:44 PM
There's a photo of a Trident on the 8C. However, there is a low bridge in Highgate so I doubt there will be double-decks on the 8A/C.
Hockley never ran Tridents. Unless it was a Volvo.
Quote from: Gareth on July 02, 2020, 04:18:25 PM
Hockley never ran Tridents. Unless it was a Volvo.
There was a picture somewhere I'm sure of a Trident displaying 8A or 8C, but it was posed for the photo and not on the route. He might have seen that
Quote from: John on July 02, 2020, 04:22:21 PM
There was a picture somewhere I'm sure of a Trident displaying 8A or 8C, but it was posed for the photo and not on the route. He might have seen that
Using it throughout the 1970s although the current route differs WMPTE Fleetlines were the norm on the WMPTE 8A/C, Leyland Nationals and BMMO LS18s were a rare surprise.
Whether there is a picture of a decker on the 8 or not, Tridents have gone under the bridge on Highgate Road before.
It was 4438 (https://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4438.html) - 4th from bottom
Quote from: CL on July 02, 2020, 04:33:00 PM
It was 4438 (https://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4438.html) - 4th from bottom
Notice no driver in bus and no passengers on board.
It wasn't operating.
Quote from: John on July 02, 2020, 04:22:21 PM
There was a picture somewhere I'm sure of a Trident displaying 8A or 8C, but it was posed for the photo and not on the route. He might have seen that
I did see it on Five Ways years ago, I think it was in 2012.
Quote from: Sayeed on July 02, 2020, 07:04:01 PM
I did see it on Five Ways years ago, I think it was in 2012.
I'll guarantee you 100% no trident has operated on the 8.
Hockley or Bordesley has never operated any
Quote from: Tony on July 02, 2020, 07:18:38 PM
I'll guarantee you 100% no trident has operated on the 8.
Hockley or Bordesley has never operated any
Whatever
@Tony says until it was rerouted the 8A/C passed our office in Edgbaston & just before the toothpaste buses appeared I most definitely got Tridents down to the Boulton Industrial Centre & other pionts regularly on the route about 12 to 15 years ago it regularly had Tridents on it along with the Mercs.
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 02, 2020, 07:48:43 PM
Whatever @Tony says until it was rerouted the 8A/C passed our office in Edgbaston & just before the toothpaste buses appeared I most definitely got Tridents down to the Boulton Industrial Centre & other pionts regularly on the route about 12 to 15 years ago it regularly had Tridents on it along with the Mercs.
Bordesley garage opened in May 2005 and has operated the 8 from the day it opened. Planning permission excludes the use of Double Decks from the garage so it has only ever operated single decks. So no 12-15 years ago it did not have Tridents.
I presume your office in Edgbaston is the same office Mr Jones worked in.
Quote from: Tony on July 02, 2020, 07:59:23 PM
Bordesley garage opened in May 2005 and has operated the 8 from the day it opened. Planning permission excludes the use of Double Decks from the garage so it has only ever operated single decks. So no 12-15 years ago it did not have Tridents.
I presume your office in Edgbaston is the same office Mr Jones worked in.
Have checked my appointment diaries I keep at home and record each bus I board each day as I have done today to & from the QE it records a Trident on the 8A from Monument Rd to Ickneld Street on the 7th February 2006 & 19th January 2007 although both were 8E
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 02, 2020, 08:15:39 PM
Have checked my appointment diaries I keep at home and record each bus I board each day as I have done today to & from the QE it records a Trident on the 8A from Monument Rd to Ickneld Street on the 7th February 2006 & 19th January 2007.
Fleetnumber?
Quote from: WyreForestShuttle on July 02, 2020, 08:22:59 PM
4224 & 4334
Didn't the blue paint stand out a bit?
Save the lying!
Quote from: Tony on July 02, 2020, 08:26:03 PM
Didn't the blue paint stand out a bit?
Save the lying!
Yes 4224 is noted in my diary as a Travel Coventry bus while 4334 was a Travel West Midlands. I have never lied about anything on the forum I can only go on my personal experience on using your excellent bus services and the records I keep in my pocket Letts diaries. Please accept my full apologies
@Tony I always assumed the 8E Trident journeys were schools extras from BC in the same manner as the 9E to St Pauls after it moved to PN long since withdrawn.
Back in 1995 there was a 8 branded at BC 2748
https://flic.kr/p/uxU5oa
The last time double deck was used was the odd Metrobus out of HY pre 2005. I rode lynx 1188/1219 December 2004 which was also a rare treat.
Quote from: PB2938 on July 03, 2020, 09:25:27 AM
Back in 1995 there was a 8 branded at BC 2748
https://flic.kr/p/uxU5oa
The last time double deck was used was the odd Metrobus out of HY pre 2005. I rode lynx 1188/1219 December 2004 which was also a rare treat.
That's the best bus branding I've ever seen on a bus ever.
Whilst it looks good, there is something about that looks like it was a winner of a schools competition to get your design put on a bus. Im not knocking it, that is what gives it some charm.
55 driver confirmed today date of move is 4th of october and 55 will go double decker and interwork with the 14
Quote from: Jack D on August 03, 2020, 10:03:04 PM
55 driver confirmed today date of move is 4th of october and 55 will go double decker and interwork with the 14
If that's true will be nice to see the double deckers back on the 55 after many years of single decker Omnilink opearation. And the Tridents might return appear on there after many years as well I suppose.
I expect the Omnilinks will go elsewhere, to free up double deckers for the 55. As there's no way the 14 would cope with Single Deckers I think. I wander where they'll go?
Quote from: 2206 on August 03, 2020, 10:07:09 PM
If that's true will be nice to see the double deckers back on the 55 after many years of single decker Omnilink opearation. And the Tridents might return appear on there after many years as well I suppose.
I expect the Omnilinks will go elsewhere, to free up double deckers for the 55. As there's now way the 14 would cope with Single Deckers I think. I wander where they'll go?
Could be put in routes that would be better suited for single-decks i.e the 73.
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 03, 2020, 10:39:27 PM
Could be put in routes that would be better suited for single-decks i.e the 73.
That means the 5 will have to Omnilinks too, unless they get split.
Quote from: Jack on August 03, 2020, 10:46:35 PM
That means the 5 will have to Omnilinks too, unless they get split.
5 & 73 could be split when the Stratford Road review happens maybe. As 5 is getting Platinums.
What other routes as well as the 73 would be suited to Omnilink operation?
Quote from: 2206 on August 03, 2020, 10:47:29 PM
5 & 73 could be split when the Stratford Road review when that happens maybe. As 5 is getting Platinums.
Platinums are already on the 5. I believe the 5 and the 73 don't interwork anymore.
Quote from: 2206 on August 03, 2020, 10:47:29 PM
5 & 73 could be split when the Stratford Road review happens maybe. As 5 is getting Platinums.
What other routes as well as the 73 would be suited to Omnilink operation?
I assume the 1/1A as recently they've started using the single deckers for the 4. Might also be a chance to take over some land flight routes such as the A12- just an idea.
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 03, 2020, 10:54:17 PM
Platinums are already on the 5. I believe the 5 and the 73 don't interwork anymore.
They are, they are currently still interworking at Solihull.
Quote from: bususer28 on August 04, 2020, 09:19:38 AM
I assume the 1/1A as recently they've started using the single deckers for the 4. Might also be a chance to take over some land flight routes such as the A12- just an idea.
Those E200MMC's that are used on the 4 are used only as there isn't enough double decks in the garage as the the 4/4A are using more double deckers for social distancing.
Quote from: bususer28 on August 04, 2020, 09:19:38 AM
Might also be a chance to take over some land flight routes such as the A12- just an idea.
Sureley it would depend on when the tender that landflights operate on those route are due to end as well? Which routes are up for tender in October?
Or maybe some of the tendered routes that run into Erdington such as Claribels 167, 168 and 600 and Diamond 25 and 89 if any of those are up for tender in October?
Folks, may I remind you all once again about topic 'hijacking', this topic is for discussion of all things Bordesley garage related.
Quote from: Jack D on August 03, 2020, 10:03:04 PM
55 driver confirmed today date of move is 4th of october and 55 will go double decker and interwork with the 14
Why would the routes need to interwork? Does it save on a vehicle or two?
A couple of years ago there was a rumour the 14 would have to go single deck when rerouted due to HS2 works on Saltley viaduct. If there was any kind of truth to that, then that either means a much longer diversion on the 14, or two routes to convert to single deck.
Quote from: Jack D on August 03, 2020, 10:03:04 PM
55 driver confirmed today date of move is 4th of october and 55 will go double decker and interwork with the 14
Don't they run at different frequencies? I thought services had to run at the same frequency for interworking to be viable?
Possible route change for 55 maybe extend to bluebell drive where 14 terminates gives a chance for routes to inter work then?
Quote from: Jack D on August 07, 2020, 08:19:34 PM
Possible route change for 55 maybe extend to bluebell drive where 14 terminates gives a chance for routes to inter work then?
Could it be a simple as inter working in the City Centre ?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 07, 2020, 09:46:49 PM
Could it be a simple as inter working in the City Centre ?
I don't believe there's any interworking
Quote from: Tony on August 07, 2020, 10:01:38 PM
I don't believe there's any interworking
I'm glad you said that Tony, I don't see what the big deal is about inter working !
I think they are just going to be on the same rota.
Need same frequency and one common terminal point to inter work. Reason of inter working is to use less buses over the combined routes!
Quote from: dingding on August 08, 2020, 10:32:05 AM
Need same frequency and one common terminal point to inter work. Reason of inter working is to use less buses over the combined routes!
They have a common terminal point in the City Centre and they both run approx. every 8 minutes, not a problem really. It's not difficult
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 08, 2020, 02:06:05 PM
They have a common terminal point in the City Centre and they both run approx. every 8 minutes, not a problem really. It's not difficult
But on an 8 minute frequency you would never save a bus, so pretty pointless
Quote from: Tony on August 08, 2020, 02:14:26 PM
But on an 8 minute frequency you would never save a bus, so pretty pointless
Tony, that was not the point I was trying to make, I was trying to state to people on this forum that
if the 14 and 55 were to inter work (and I'm not saying they are) that they terminate at the same place in the City Centre for it to happen if it does as it may not happen at all. But does it really matter if they do inter work?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 08, 2020, 03:10:49 PM
Tony, that was not the point I was trying to make, I was trying to state to people on this forum that if the 14 and 55 were to inter work (and I'm not saying they are) that they terminate at the same place in the City Centre for it to happen if it does as it may not happen at all. But does it really matter if they do inter work?
I agree completely with you, just making the extra point of it being pointless. The only other time it can be useful is if one bus goes close to a garage, so that travelling time to the relief point is eliminated on the route that doesn't. The relief point on the 55 and 14 are the same anyway, so no saving there.
From what a 55 driver told me 55 & 14 were going on three same rota but NOT inter working
1791 was out on the 55 today. Has anything gone for repaint replacing this from BY?
1791 only a week or so out of paint caught fire at Chelmsley Wood yesterday evening. I'm guessing by the photos it will be a write off!
Are the cov buses sweepers?
Quote from: Jack D on September 02, 2020, 06:45:08 PM
Are the cov buses sweepers?
No, they are being used on peak boards to make sure there's no driver swapover involved, in case the relief driver isn't type trained
What times is the peak boards for these buses on 55?
Quote from: Jack D on September 02, 2020, 07:12:33 PM
What times is the peak boards for these buses on 55?
It depends what board they are allocated to! They were both on the 17 today
What boards are the cov buses on today
Quote from: Jack D on September 03, 2020, 10:46:23 AM
What boards are the cov buses on today
Pointless asking now.
I told you they would be on peak boards, both back in garage
Took ages to get into Birmingham City Centre on 1810 on the 55 earlier at about midday
Due to heavy congestion, which was obviously heightened by the silly idea of putting a bike lane on what used to be a heavily used bus lane. And they decided to put this bike lane on the inbound side of Jennens Road, which will obviously get more congested, rather than a more sensible idea of using one of the outbound lanes.
So passengers on the 14, 55/94 and 66 can now expect slower and longer journeys from now on then.
I'm still yet to see a single bike on the bike lane they've created on Nechells Parkway, where they've closed another lane. So i'm expecting this to be disused or have a low usage as well. So also seems like a complete waste of time/money creating these.
Like with Bristol Road, there's plenty of Central reservation that could have been used for the cycle lane! Yes it would take longer and cost more money. But I think what they've done on that stretch of road is awful, excessive and will be hardly used if at all.
With the double decker of 55 potentially being delayed due to the low hanging trees will the omnicitys be going with 55 to BC or will the route be using other BC single deckers until the trees are cut?
Quote from: Jack D on September 11, 2020, 08:28:52 PM
With the double decker of 55 potentially being delayed due to the low hanging trees will the omnicitys be going with 55 to BC or will the route be using other BC single deckers until the trees are cut?
As far as I'm aware BC only have 2 singles deckers 2136 and 2137
Quote from: Jack D on September 11, 2020, 08:28:52 PM
With the double decker of 55 potentially being delayed due to the low hanging trees will the omnicitys be going with 55 to BC or will the route be using other BC single deckers until the trees are cut?
BC only have a couple of B7RLEs.
Quote from: 2206 on August 24, 2020, 08:50:49 PM
1791 was out on the 55 today. Has anything gone for repaint replacing this from BY?
So that was One of the buses meant to come to Acocks Green.Any Replacements then?My guess is to be one of the Crimson Price brandeds at BY.1876 Or 1877.
Quote from: Gareth on September 11, 2020, 08:32:50 PM
BC only have a couple of B7RLEs.
they have 2137 & the 2 Coventry ones with 2 loaned to bordesley for school boards
Quote from: bbs on September 11, 2020, 08:41:50 PM
So that was One of the buses meant to come to Acocks Green.Any Replacements then?My guess is to be one of the Crimson Price brandeds at BY.1876 Or 1877.
1876 and 1877 are currently operating out of Perry Barr. I would guess they will remain there with the 28 batch, when PB gain more Omnilinks for the 8A/8C.
Quote from: Solo1 on September 11, 2020, 08:51:37 PM
they have 2137
2137 normally seems to be on the Staff Bus as well at present, when I see it. I wander if that one will also end up at WN at some point?
Quote from: bbs on September 11, 2020, 08:41:50 PM
So that was One of the buses meant to come to Acocks Green.Any Replacements then?My guess is to be one of the Crimson Price brandeds at BY.1876 Or 1877.
Just amazed people know a plan I have a meeting to finalise on Tuesday
Just following on from this 55 moving to DD , does this mean that the expectation is the council will have sorted the low hanging trees out by next month ??
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 22, 2020, 06:55:54 AM
Just following on from this 55 moving to DD , does this mean that the expectation is the council will have sorted the low hanging trees out by next month ??
I don't think there's any that's why there going to use DD.Im still concerned in how DD's are going to go on Shared ends tight roads.
Quote from: bbs on September 22, 2020, 11:00:06 AM
I don't think there's any that's why there going to use DD.Im still concerned in how DD's are going to go on Shared ends tight roads.
Deckers are shorter than OmniLinks so easier to get down tight roads
Quote from: bbs on September 22, 2020, 11:00:06 AM
I don't think there's any that's why there going to use DD.Im still concerned in how DD's are going to go on Shared ends tight roads.
So you don't believe me about the trees? There was plenty, but hopefully will all be lopped by next week
Plus deckers used to go round there all the time.
Quote from: ellspurs on September 22, 2020, 02:31:49 PM
Plus deckers used to go round there all the time.
Trees do grow quite a bit in the number of years since LH operated the 55
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2020, 03:12:55 PM
Trees do grow quite a bit in the number of years since LH operated the 55
It was more to do with the "tight" roads mentioned above.
Quote from: Tony on September 22, 2020, 03:12:55 PM
Trees do grow quite a bit in the number of years since LH operated the 55
I think you said Kendrick Avenue was the main problem?
BC ran deckers down there on the 56 until 3 years ago/2017. So not as long as since LH closed, on that road.
Quote from: 2206 on September 22, 2020, 04:24:45 PM
I think you said Kendrick Avenue was the main problem?
BC ran deckers down there on the 56 until 3 years ago/2017. So not as long as since LH closed, on that road.
I said that was the main problem
Are their any registered timetable changes since this place is closing I can't remember how to check the vosa site?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 26, 2020, 03:34:19 PM
Are their any registered timetable changes since this place is closing I can't remember how to check the vosa site?
No registered changes on the VOSA site as of today.
17 and 8A/8C seems to have a new timetable from next week.
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/2020-Files/Current-timetables/4-October-2020/B017_04Oct20.pdf
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/2020-Files/Current-timetables/4-October-2020/B8A8C4October2020.pdf
No changes to 55 timetable.
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/miscellaneous/service-changes-from-4th-october-2020
Quote from: 2206 on September 26, 2020, 04:36:33 PM
No registered changes on the VOSA site as of today.
17 and 8A/8C seems to have a new timetable from next week.
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/2020-Files/Current-timetables/4-October-2020/B017_04Oct20.pdf
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/2020-Files/Current-timetables/4-October-2020/B8A8C4October2020.pdf
55 isn't showing a new timetable. So could possibly not be changing.
The 17 and 8A/C just have a couple of minor tweaks really. All I can see on the 17 timetable that is different is the earlier reduction to 20 minute frequency late Sunday afternoons.
The 8A/C has some earlier starts from Newtown, presumably to reflect the service running from Perry Barr garage. Also presumably any untimetabled 'shorts' to Saltley will change to Newtown also. ;)
I wonder if the 101 is being made more frequent and reduced to single deckers then?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 26, 2020, 06:13:51 PM
I wonder if the 101 is being made more frequent and reduced to single deckers then?
If you look at the timetable its still every 10 minutes.
The obvious change is the new 101S school service.
Quote from: 2206 on September 26, 2020, 06:17:36 PM
If you look at the timetable its still every 10 minutes.
The obvious change is the new 101S school service.
The current timetable says 10 mins the new post Oct one says frequent intervals. I pretty sure I can read I don't know if means anything.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 26, 2020, 06:55:41 PM
The current timetable says 10 mins the new post Oct one says frequent intervals. I pretty sure I can read I don't know if means anything.
10 minutes is frequent intervals
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 26, 2020, 06:55:41 PM
The current timetable says 10 mins the new post Oct one says frequent intervals. I pretty sure I can read I don't know if means anything.
Monday - Friday City Centre bound timetable also says. 16:02, 16:13, 16:23, 16:33, etc. i.e. every 10 minutes.
Quote from: Tony on September 26, 2020, 07:08:57 PM
10 minutes is frequent intervals
The October timetable for the 17 says ever 7-9 minutes or every 8-10 minutes for Saturdays (just like WMPTE used to) so why can't other timetables be like that instead of
then at frequent intervals or even worse
every few minutes
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 26, 2020, 06:13:51 PM
I wonder if the 101 is being made more frequent and reduced to single deckers then?
The route has some tight turns in it already, dont think they would send a single decker down there
Quote from: Lukeee on September 27, 2020, 09:58:45 PM
The route has some tight turns in it already, dont think they would send a single decker down there
I went on a omnilink price branded and when it arrived at jewelry quarter the driver went onto the roundabout as it was a really tight turn.
We Shall say Goodbye to Bordsley in 5-6 days time.Im already feeling how weird it will be seeing DD on 55.
Will their be a closing down parade then, just out of curiosity, from a planning point of view are buses transferred over a couple of days i.e from last peak friday service to end of service sat or is it all done end of service sat. Just curious, its been a while since a depot closed?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 28, 2020, 02:11:44 PM
Will their be a closing down parade then, just out of curiosity, from a planning point of view are buses transferred over a couple of days i.e from last peak friday service to end of service sat or is it all done end of service sat. Just curious, its been a while since a depot closed?
All the required fleetmoves are happening Sunday throughout the day
Quote from: Tony on September 28, 2020, 02:14:49 PM
All the required fleetmoves are happening Sunday throughout the day
Ok thanks and will the building still be used as head office or is it all being sold off etc?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 28, 2020, 02:30:58 PM
Ok thanks and will the building still be used as head office or is it all being sold off etc?
HO is staying for the time being
Suppose wrong time to be moving offices, i guess would need a period of normal trading conditions post all this madness to review the books etc
Quote from: bbs on September 28, 2020, 12:16:14 AM
We Shall say Goodbye to Bordsley in 5-6 days time.Im already feeling how weird it will be seeing DD on 55.
Will be strange not seeing the Scanias on the 55 as I have seen them used in there since they were newish back in around 2007. And presumably City Centre - Ward End corridor will now be completly double decker.
Quote from: Tony on September 28, 2020, 02:14:49 PM
All the required fleetmoves are happening Sunday throughout the day
You did say BC should be completly double deck from next week, does that mean the Coventry B7RLE are going? Or do you not include them as they are on loan?
Will 55 be ran by BC Double Deckers from Sunday or will it be gradual so scanias and double deckers on sunday?
Quote from: Jack D on September 28, 2020, 06:00:01 PM
Will 55 be ran by BC Double Deckers from Sunday or will it be gradual so scanias and double deckers on sunday?
I have already posted that BY shuts on Saturday and the buses would all transfer on Sunday, why would there be any Scanias on Sunday?
Forgive me if I've missed this but why is BY closing (if you can tell us)?
Quote from: mesub on September 28, 2020, 06:12:48 PM
Forgive me if I've missed this but why is BY closing (if you can tell us)?
Neither do i know tbh
Quote from: mesub on September 28, 2020, 06:12:48 PM
Forgive me if I've missed this but why is BY closing (if you can tell us)?
The very basic way to say it is to save money. BY garage and head offices are all going so that means the costs of running the sites go.
Quote from: D10 on September 28, 2020, 08:15:01 PM
BY garage and head offices are all going so that means the costs of running the sites go.
Quote from: Tony on September 28, 2020, 02:33:17 PM
HO is staying for the time being
So head office will move at some point then?
Quote from: mesub on September 28, 2020, 08:52:54 PM
So head office will move at some point then?
Yes, moving to the Coach Station.
Quote from: Nathan4775 on April 11, 2012, 07:22:36 PM
Though So, so why canrt they close down BY and tansfer them routes to BC then theres more stoage spcae for NXWM if its needed but then BC would over fill 8)
Slightly amusing to see this on the first page of this thread given what's about to happen.
Saw 1829 on the last BY 889 school route at Yardley, Yew Tree earlier.
This used to be a BC school route I think when it used BC Tridents, so must have moved to BY at some point.
Did BY run any other school routes or just this one?
Quote from: 2206 on October 02, 2020, 05:37:09 PM
Saw 1829 on the last BY 889 school route at Yardley, Yew Tree earlier.
This used to be a BC school route I think when it used BC Tridents, so must have moved to BY at some point.
Did BY run any other school routes or just this one?
They also run an 839 to Fairfax/John Wilmott, we also run a bus on there
Just seen this
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/temporary-diversions/service-55-service-temporary-diversion-from-sunday-4th-october?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SocialSignIn
Wow can see a few peeps not being to happy about that, so its 2 councils that need to sort the trees out.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 02, 2020, 06:33:32 PM
Wow can see a few peeps not being to happy about that
Could 58 also be temporarily amended to serve Kendrick Avenue temporarily maybe then it doesn't leave that section unserved? As that could act as a "shuttle bus" to get those people to the 55 route.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 02, 2020, 06:33:32 PM
Wow can see a few peeps not being to happy about that, so its 2 councils that need to sort the trees out.
I can see an angry newsletter from the Green Party finding its way into my letterbox.
Quote from: ellspurs on October 02, 2020, 07:24:18 PM
I can see an angry newsletter from the Green Party finding its way into my letterbox.
Both councils have known they need to do this for over two months
Quote from: Tony on October 02, 2020, 07:29:40 PM
Both councils have known they need to do this for over two months
Feel for NXWM because people will start blaming them. Councils will blame COVID
Quote from: Tony on October 02, 2020, 07:29:40 PM
Both councils have known they need to do this for over two months
Which they'll blame on the "other parties" not getting around to it.
When they did the east Birmingham/north Solihull review, we got many, many newsletters through the letterbox complaining about the withdrawal of most of the Kingshurst services, and when the 58/71 were rerouted they claimed victory for it.
Quote from: 2206 on October 02, 2020, 06:29:45 PM
Just seen this
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/temporary-diversions/service-55-service-temporary-diversion-from-sunday-4th-october?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SocialSignIn
When will this end
Quote from: bbs on October 02, 2020, 09:33:02 PM
When will this end
When the council trim the trees obviously
Quote from: Tony on October 02, 2020, 09:54:44 PM
When the council trim the trees obviously
I will deeply miss BY.Especially when ill go pass the garage.Am i allowed to take photos tommorow of the garage outside on the road?
Is 58 going to go round Kendrick avenue whilst 55 diverting would make sense
Why was 1791 withdrawn?
Quote from: bbs on October 02, 2020, 10:05:16 PM
I will deeply miss BY.Especially when ill go pass the garage.Am i allowed to take photos tommorow of the garage outside on the road?
You can take pictures of anything you like from the public footway
Is there a list of transfers?
Quote from: Jack D on October 03, 2020, 11:34:47 AM
Is there a list of transfers?
I suspect there will be one but not yet.
1788-1790 to AG
1791 withdrawn
1792-1807 to AG
1808-1833 to PB
1834-1836 to WA
Quote from: Tony on October 03, 2020, 11:56:38 AM
1788-1790 to AG
1791 withdrawn
1792-1807 to AG
1808-1833 to PB
1834-1836 to WA
Are the extra Omnilinks that were used on the 55 going to be used on a specfic route at AG and PB?
Wander if one will sneak onto the 11 at some point as well.
Could make 58 run earlier and later every half an hour after 3pm instead of every hour with the extra scanias, make 58 go round kendrick avenue and extend to Helmsley to cover 55
Quote from: Jack D on October 03, 2020, 12:15:59 PM
Could make 58 run earlier and later every half an hour after 3pm instead of every hour with the extra scanias, make 58 go round kendrick avenue and extend to Helmsley to cover 55
What extra Scanias?
There's no service reductions. The same number of buses are still needed to run the network
Also is there any chance of potential platinum sightings on 55?
Quote from: Jack D on October 03, 2020, 01:23:43 PM
Also is there any chance of potential platinum sightings on 55?
I would guess the chance is the same as on any other non-Platinum DD route at BC.
Quote from: Stu on October 03, 2020, 02:03:49 PM
I would guess the chance is the same as on any other non-Platinum DD route at BC.
Allocations tomorrow will produce anything spare at BC as the transfers in won't be there.
Similarly the 17 is planned for E200MMCs tomorrow, but Scanias after that
Quote from: Tony on October 03, 2020, 02:07:19 PM
Allocations tomorrow will produce anything spare at BC as the transfers in won't be there.
Similarly the 17 is planned for E200MMCs tomorrow, but Scanias after that
Probably 2201-2205 and 2225-2231.
Quote from: bbs on October 03, 2020, 03:11:54 PM
Probably 2201-2205 and 2225-2231.
You're not the vehicle allocator at AG!
Quote from: Tony on October 03, 2020, 03:13:56 PM
You're not the vehicle allocator at AG!
Just saying.Also what will happen to Bordesley garage once it shuts down?
Quote from: bbs on October 03, 2020, 03:23:45 PM
Just saying.Also what will happen to Bordesley garage once it shuts down?
It will be any of 2201-2231. It is a one off and the garage won't be able to park the unbranded ones anywhere special to make them accessible
Looks like 55 will be going through kings hurst now and not diverting like previously stated.
You lot all standing outside Bordesley with candles giving a Vidual ;)
Lost interest in Bordesley completly in 2010 when the 68A 68C 66 left and the mercs.
Quote from: PB2938 on October 03, 2020, 08:26:24 PM
Lost interest in Bordesley completly in 2010 when the 68A 68C 66 left and the mercs.
Think last Mercs left in 2012. As I went on them on the 54, 55 and later the 55A when they were at BY.
The Ominlinks that have been used on the 54, 55 and 55A over the years are also nice buses in my opinion.
Quote from: 2206 on October 03, 2020, 08:27:42 PM
Think last Mercs left in 2012. As I went on them on the 54, 55 and later the 55A when they were at BY.
The Ominlinks that have been used on the 54, 55 and 55A over the years are also nice buses in my opinion.
The 0405N's left in 2012. I agree I use to ride the Benz and Omnilinks on the 54/55 and always enjoyed them on those routes.
It will be lovely to see double deckers on the 55 tomorrow on the washwood heath corridor now making it fully double decker
As someone who have lived their life on the 55 route, it'll be nice to have double deckers back. Can't remember the last time we had one, but it would have been the last time BC operated BY Boxing Day services. 2010 or maybe even 2011. Just a little bit of a shame they'll no longer carry Metrobus or Fleetline badges!
Now all the Scanias have moved out, apart from 1802, there should be some different vehicles moving in tonight
Quote from: Tony on October 04, 2020, 07:07:25 PM
Now all the Scanias have moved out, apart from 1802, there should be some different vehicles moving in tonight
NEAT vehicles?
Quote from: Tony on October 04, 2020, 07:07:25 PM
Now all the Scanias have moved out, apart from 1802, there should be some different vehicles moving in tonight
Drove past and could of sown I saw 2 Coaches
Saw at least 3 coaches running X4 school extras yesterday afternoon
Quote from: John on October 06, 2020, 09:07:20 AM
Saw at least 3 coaches running X4 school extras yesterday afternoon
There not open to public though? What coaches are these?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 06, 2020, 09:32:41 AM
There not open to public though? What coaches are these?
No, school kids only. They were Levantes
Quote from: John on October 06, 2020, 09:53:40 AM
No, school kids only. They were Levantes
They will be Lucketts ones
What routes have BY run during its time as an operational depot
I seem to recall
636 with short Excels then ALX Darts
66/A
8A/c
17
55
There must have been some more in the earlier days
Quote from: fleetline6477 on October 06, 2020, 08:14:46 PM
What routes have BY run during its time as an operational depot
I seem to recall
636 with short Excels then ALX Darts
66/A
8A/c
17
55
There must have been some more in the earlier days
Also the short lived route 20, Birmingham to Rubery around 2009. As well as the 68A/C Sutton Circulars
Quote from: fleetline6477 on October 06, 2020, 08:14:46 PM
What routes have BY run during its time as an operational depot
I seem to recall
636 with short Excels then ALX Darts
66/A
8A/c
17
55
There must have been some more in the earlier days
What was the 636?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 06, 2020, 08:21:21 PM
What was the 636?
Later the 99 (Birmingham City Centre - Halesowen via QE Hospital/University and Quinton) I think. It had some Branded B6LE with green branding at one point.
Quote from: 2206 on October 06, 2020, 08:22:11 PM
Later the 99 (Birmingham City Centre - Halesowen via QE Hospital/University and Quinton) I think. It had some Branded B6LE with green branding at one point.
I thought that I'm just surprised bordesley operated a route that ran between Halesowen and harborne
Bordesley history opened 29 may 2005
EX Hockley Routes
8A 8C
66 66A
68A 68C
Mercedes 1649 1655 1660-1702
November 2009
Service 68A 68C TO Perry Barr
New service 20 Birmingham - Rubery replacing service 44 to Bordesley.
July 2010
Lea Hall Garage closure
15 17 26 to Bordesley
Service 20 withdrawn replaced by extended 636 to Birmingham using former Travel London Alx200 Darts
March 2011
East Birmingham Network review
Service 636 Transferred to Birmingham Central
Service 26 withdrawn replaced by extended 72.
Service 55 to Bordesley EX Birmingham Central
2012
Mercedes left replaced by scanias
04 October 2020 garage closure.
8A 8C Perry Barr
17 Acocks Green
55 Central
I don't recall Bordesley running the 26 is that correct ?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 06, 2020, 09:07:01 PM
I don't recall Bordesley running the 26 is that correct ?
26 definitely went to BY. However I thought the 72 started and the 55 move from BC was earlier than March 2011. Not saying it's wrong, just memory merges together after so many years.
Quote from: PB2938 on October 06, 2020, 08:45:31 PM
Bordesley history opened 29 may 2005
...
Lea Hall Garage closure
15 17 26 to Bordesley
...
Wasn't there a 13 service as well?
Birmingham to Lea Hall Station, I seem to recall
Quote from: Gareth on October 06, 2020, 10:15:56 PM
26 definitely went to BY. However I thought the 72 started and the 55 move from BC was earlier than March 2011. Not saying it's wrong, just memory merges together after so many years.
It definitely was March 2011, as the same date the 26 changed, the 54 went and was replaced by the 59 and the 58 was extended to Solihull.
Quote from: CL on October 06, 2020, 10:33:44 PM
Wasn't there a 13 service as well?
Birmingham to Lea Hall Station, I seem to recall
I believe the 13 took over from the 15 when I can't remember
@CL.
Quote from: Jack on October 06, 2020, 10:44:39 PM
It definitely was March 2011, as the same date the 26 changed, the 54 went and was replaced by the 59 and the 58 was extended to Solihull.
Quote from: CL on October 06, 2020, 10:33:44 PM
Wasn't there a 13 service as well?
Birmingham to Lea Hall Station, I seem to recall
Yes, the 13 was replaced by the 59 and 73 in 2011.
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/west-midlands/EBNS_AllChangeLeaflet_NWM.pdf
Quote from: Jack on October 06, 2020, 10:44:39 PM
It definitely was March 2011, as the same date the 26 changed, the 54 went and was replaced by the 59 and the 58 was extended to Solihull.
Was that 26 operated by Mercs, I really don't remember that. I'm getting old lol
Quote from: PB2938 on October 06, 2020, 08:45:31 PM
Bordesley history opened 29 may 2005
EX Hockley Routes
8A 8C
66 66A
68A 68C
Mercedes 1649 1655 1660-1702
November 2009
Service 68A 68C TO Perry Barr
New service 20 Birmingham - Rubery replacing service 44 to Bordesley.
July 2010
Lea Hall Garage closure
15 17 26 to Bordesley
Service 66 to Perry Barr
Service 20 withdrawn replaced by extended 636 to Birmingham using former Travel London Alx200 Darts
March 2011
East Birmingham Network review
Service 636 Transferred to Birmingham Central
Service 26 withdrawn replaced by extended 72.
Service 55 to Bordesley EX Birmingham Central
2012
Mercedes left replaced by scanias
04 October 2020 garage closure.
8A 8C Perry Barr
17 Acocks Green
55 Central
Also 66 left Bordesley For Perry Barr JULY 2010 When LH closed
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 07, 2020, 08:42:38 PM
Was that 26 operated by Mercs, I really don't remember that. I'm getting old lol
I think it was a mix of Merc's and Tridents. Did any Presidents sneak onto it during its short time at BC?
The 26 was never operated by BC left LH closure July 2010 to Bordesley then was withdrawn March 2011 replaced in part by 14 Duddeston and 72 Bromford Bridge and drew Lane.
The 26 used branded Leyland Lynxs Saver bus yellow band in summer 2004.
1079 1093 1120 1154 1166 1208 1237
Then used branded Mk2A Metrobuses may 2005 until January 2007. The buses was still saver bus Branded but ended up everywhere.
3026 3028 3043 3044 3050 3082
Quote from: PB2938 on October 10, 2020, 06:18:29 PM
The 26 was never operated by BC left LH closure July 2010 to Bordesley then was withdrawn March 2011 replaced in part by 14 Duddeston and 72 Bromford Bridge and drew Lane.
The 26 used branded Leyland Lynxs Saver bus yellow band in summer 2004.
1079 1093 1120 1154 1166 1208 1237
Then used branded Mk2A Metrobuses may 2005 until January 2007. The buses was still saver bus Branded but ended up everywhere.
3026 3028 3043 3044 3050 3082
Ah, thanks for confirming that, I always knew after the Metrobuses went that Tridents would appear alongside the Merc's, wasn't sure it went after LH closed.
Are the offices closed now? What's happening to the depot and offices ?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 03, 2021, 07:59:42 PM
Are the offices closed now? What's happening to the depot and offices ?
Some coaches will be moving in temporarily in the next couple of weeks (expansion of the NX routes run by Walsall)
Ok thank you ?
Longbridge have got office spaces? I know I keep bringing up about this place but seeing the place transformed in the last decade thought it would made sense to have both in one place.
Quote from: Sayeed on June 03, 2021, 09:26:29 PM
Longbridge have got office spaces? I know I keep bringing up about this place but seeing the place transformed in the last decade thought it would made sense to have both in one place.
The offices may be at/moving to Digbeth Coach Station?
As the name on the side of the bus has changed to Digbeth as well.
Quote from: 2206 on June 03, 2021, 09:34:59 PM
The offices may be at/moving to Digbeth Coach Station?
As the name on the side of the bus has changed to Digbeth as well.
Yes, the Bus division offices have gone to National Express House which is the new name for the office part of the Coach Station site,
What has happened to this site now? Still have coaches or has it been sold off yet etc