New Deliveries / New Livery & Branding Discussion

[BK63 YWP]

This weeks staff bulletin confirms that this years order is for Enviro 400MMCs in Platinum livery and delivery will commence 'in a few days'

Fleetnumber are going to be 6855-6892

Are they going to be standard hybrid platinums mmc or the city variant MMC?

[Mike K]

Are they going to be standard hybrid platinums mmc or the city variant MMC?

I don't believe the 400 City is referred to as MMC - these will be the standard MMC versions (good job too, the City is one ugly looking bus in my opinion).

[paulb1973]

I don't believe the 400 City is referred to as MMC - these will be the standard MMC versions (good job too, the City is one ugly looking bus in my opinion).

Reading Wikipedia (not always reliable I know!) it seems the City version is referred to as Enviro400H City and "is only sold as an integral hybrid" - so it could that version, but it is possible it's the Hybrid E400 MMC version. If its the latter, hopefully it won't have that long rear overhang and closely-spaced axles, which looks a bit comical. I can't decide if I like the curves on the body styling on the City, still looks a bit odd somehow.

[Tony]

Reading Wikipedia (not always reliable I know!) it seems the City version is referred to as Enviro400H City and "is only sold as an integral hybrid" - so it could that version, but it is possible it's the Hybrid E400 MMC version. If its the latter, hopefully it won't have that long rear overhang and closely-spaced axles, which looks a bit comical. I can't decide if I like the curves on the body styling on the City, still looks a bit odd somehow.

Well the Blackpool ones are not Hybrids, so that statement isn't correct

[monkeyjoe]

The Harborne routes again! That's come around quickly for them getting an upgrade.
Where will their cast offs go any ideas 97 maybe?

[2206]

The Harborne routes again! That's come around quickly for them getting an upgrade.
Where will their cast offs go any ideas 97 maybe?

There aren't enough Hybrids for the 97.

[Mike K]

Reading Wikipedia (not always reliable I know!) it seems the City version is referred to as Enviro400H City and "is only sold as an integral hybrid" - so it could that version, but it is possible it's the Hybrid E400 MMC version. If its the latter, hopefully it won't have that long rear overhang and closely-spaced axles, which looks a bit comical. I can't decide if I like the curves on the body styling on the City, still looks a bit odd somehow.

The short wheel base and long rear overhang are characteristics of the B5LH chassis rather than ADL integral products - although the B5LH is available in longer versions these days. Take a look at the Lothian ones, including the 67 plate blue skylink ones. They look far more in proportion than the NX and London versions.

[ARBB]

Perhaps this will help

[monkeyjoe]

There aren't enough Hybrids for the 97.

72 & x70 maybe

[BK63 YWP]

So are these hybrids going to act like the Volvos and use the power to start off moving or a bit like the wolvo ones?

[MasterPlan]

The Harborne routes again! That's come around quickly for them getting an upgrade

You can't be serious...

You know what routes they are for as you have previously commented about it, see you comment on the 11th October when you posted 

Personally I can see them finding an excuse to exclude the 29 anyway.

I stand by what I said. It doesn't specify routes on that link, it just says between Harborne and Birmingham City Centre.

[Mike K]

So are these hybrids going to act like the Volvos and use the power to start off moving or a bit like the wolvo ones?

Taken from a Route One article (and assuming this is the technology that it is):
It is "a low-cost, low-power hybrid system offering further fuel economy improvements to ADL's base diesel products."

SmartBoost uses a motor generator unit (MGU) coupled to the rear axle and an energy storage system (ESS).

A small supercapacitor in the ESS takes on charge rapidly when the bus is slowing, and the energy is then returned to the driveline by the MGU under acceleration in a manner similar to a hybrid or full-electric bus.

Tests indicate fuel consumption savings of up to 10% with SmartBoost, says Keith, and while this figure will vary depending on application – with the greatest benefits achieved on urban work – payback is achieved "very quickly." Combining it with ADL's smart charging accessories gives a system called Smart Hybrid.

[BK63 YWP]

I assume, these being ADL products, they will count towards the 500 ordered. I think 367 have been delivered to-date (details below) - so that takes it to 405. One more big order for 2018/19 and the total will be reached.

2016: 96 buses; No's 6759-6854 E400 MMC (Platinum spec). 

2015: 171 buses; x15 E200 (10.2m) No's 861-875, x50 E200 MMC (11.8m) No's 2201-50, x58 E400 MMC (platinum spec) No's 6701-58 and x48 E400 MMC (standard spec) No's 6101-6148.

2014: 100 buses; x56 Enviro 400 (4940-95), x14 Enviro 200 (751-764) and x30 Enviro 200 (831-60).

Wasn't the 13 and 63 plates included in the deal??

[2206]

Wasn't the 13 and 63 plates included in the deal??

No.

The first 100 included in the deal were those new in 2014.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-26647266

[Sayeed]

Wasn't the 13 and 63 plates included in the deal??

I think 63 plates were part of the deal.