Diversions

[nitromatt1]

Where exactly did the 900 and 19/19S terminate Winston?

[Stuharris 6360]

One thing I noticed during the Expressway diversions was that buses were serving the bus stop in the middle of the Quinton Expressway, despite the NXWM website stating that the 9 was non-stop down the Expressway

Why is there a bus stop on Quinton Expressway? Do any services go down there or is it an older stop for when services did go down there?

It is a disused stop from when services did use the Expressway (no idea what used the expressway, may have been the old 192?), they had just not been removed

The 900 when it used to run through to Hasbury & the 19 & 19S from Quinton garage all used to use the Quinton Expressway. I thought the 192 used to go up Mucklow's Hill to Quinton?

Many years ago didn't the 902 go up the Expressway.

I think so, as that was replaced by the 900 Timesaver in 1986

Actually I'm not so sure, the 902 used to operated by Liverpool Street in the era that the 131 & 132 used to be operated from Hartshill garage. I think they used Mucklow's Hill, not so sure on the 902 now. But the Expressway would make the most sense at it was a limited stop service

Just checked my 1984 timetable book and it did go up the Queensway at that time.

[winston]

Where exactly did the 900 and 19/19S terminate Winston?

Hasbury (Portsdown Road) opp Cheviot Way - the bottom of the Squirrels Estate, they then continued to follow the current 4H route but turned left back down Rosemary Rd/Landsdown Rd/Dunstall Rd then turned right back up Huntingree Rd & right again up Thornhill Rd

[the trainbasher]

Where exactly did the 900 and 19/19S terminate Winston?

Hasbury (Portsdown Road) opp Cheviot Way - the bottom of the Squirrels Estate, they then continued to follow the current 4H route but turned left back down Rosemary Rd/Landsdown Rd/Dunstall Rd then turned right back up Huntingree Rd & right again up Thornhill Rd

Didnt they follow what ended up as the MH 619 route? With the MH 609 being the modern day 244 (Albeit in reverse and only running at night)?

[Stuharris 6360]

Where exactly did the 900 and 19/19S terminate Winston?

Hasbury (Portsdown Road) opp Cheviot Way - the bottom of the Squirrels Estate, they then continued to follow the current 4H route but turned left back down Rosemary Rd/Landsdown Rd/Dunstall Rd then turned right back up Huntingree Rd & right again up Thornhill Rd

Didnt they follow what ended up as the MH 619 route? With the MH 609 being the modern day 244 (Albeit in reverse and only running at night)?

Didn't the 609 only run between Halesowen & Hayley Green

[the trainbasher]

Where exactly did the 900 and 19/19S terminate Winston?

Hasbury (Portsdown Road) opp Cheviot Way - the bottom of the Squirrels Estate, they then continued to follow the current 4H route but turned left back down Rosemary Rd/Landsdown Rd/Dunstall Rd then turned right back up Huntingree Rd & right again up Thornhill Rd

Didnt they follow what ended up as the MH 619 route? With the MH 609 being the modern day 244 (Albeit in reverse and only running at night)?

Didn't the 609 only run between Halesowen & Hayley Green

Thats what I meant to say...with the 244 originally being the MH 131 IIRC

[winston]

Where exactly did the 900 and 19/19S terminate Winston?

Hasbury (Portsdown Road) opp Cheviot Way - the bottom of the Squirrels Estate, they then continued to follow the current 4H route but turned left back down Rosemary Rd/Landsdown Rd/Dunstall Rd then turned right back up Huntingree Rd & right again up Thornhill Rd

Didnt they follow what ended up as the MH 619 route? With the MH 609 being the modern day 244 (Albeit in reverse and only running at night)?

I can't quite remember the MH 619, did the 619 just cover the Halesowen - Hasbury section daytimes when the 19/19S was withdrawn & 919 introduced?. As I remember it (and I'm struggling.....) the 19/19S were withdrawn when the Hagley Rd branding was introduced on BC's B10L's 1443-1467 & Scania's 1398 & 1399, that covered routes 9, 109, 139 & 919 (Mon-Fri AM/PM peaks only) the 919 followed the 9 route up Manor Lane and the expressway section dropped. Back then TMH also ran the 131 & 211 on to various parts of Hasbury. I can't remember what came next, I think at the Dudley review the 919 was withdrawn and the 241 & 244 original extensions to Hasbury did follow the former 19 & 919 routes around Hasbury until the current 244 was introduced and route changed to serve Bassnage Rd to match the evenings & Sunday 609.

[Stuharris 6360]

Didn't the 417 at one time operate between Halesowen & Hayley Green at night operated by TWM?

[winston]

Didn't the 417 at one time operate between Halesowen & Hayley Green at night operated by TWM?

Yes

[the trainbasher]

Didn't the 417 at one time operate between Halesowen & Hayley Green at night operated by TWM?

Yes...it was a replacement for the 609 at the Dudley Network Review

Service 417:
Operated in conjunction with Ludlows.
No change to daytime service, hourly evening and Sunday service introduced replacing 609.

[the trainbasher]

Where exactly did the 900 and 19/19S terminate Winston?

Hasbury (Portsdown Road) opp Cheviot Way - the bottom of the Squirrels Estate, they then continued to follow the current 4H route but turned left back down Rosemary Rd/Landsdown Rd/Dunstall Rd then turned right back up Huntingree Rd & right again up Thornhill Rd

Didnt they follow what ended up as the MH 619 route? With the MH 609 being the modern day 244 (Albeit in reverse and only running at night)?

I can't quite remember the MH 619, did the 619 just cover the Halesowen - Hasbury section daytimes when the 19/19S was withdrawn & 919 introduced?. As I remember it (and I'm struggling.....) the 19/19S were withdrawn when the Hagley Rd branding was introduced on BC's B10L's 1443-1467 & Scania's 1398 & 1399, that covered routes 9, 109, 139 & 919 (Mon-Fri AM/PM peaks only) the 919 followed the 9 route up Manor Lane and the expressway section dropped. Back then TMH also ran the 131 & 211 on to various parts of Hasbury. I can't remember what came next, I think at the Dudley review the 919 was withdrawn and the 241 & 244 original extensions to Hasbury did follow the former 19 & 919 routes around Hasbury until the current 244 was introduced and route changed to serve Bassnage Rd to match the evenings & Sunday 609.

The 619 ran Andrew Road, continue Highfield Lane, left Albert Road, right High Farm Road, left Huntingtree Road, left Dunstall Road, continue Lansdown Road, right Portsdown Road, left Lutley Lane, left Hagley Road, left Hagley Road, left Rosemary Road, continue Lansdowne Road, continue Dunstall Road, right Huntingtree Road, right High Farm Road, left Albert Road, right Highfield Lane, continue Andrew Road to Halesowen Bus Station (But at one stage terminated/started from Andrew Road in the Halesowen Bus Station '00 rebuild)

The 609 ran Andrew Road, continue Highfield Lane, left Albert Road, right High Farm Road, left Bassange Road, right Lansdown Road, left Portsdown Road, left Lutley Lane, left Hagley Road, left Hagley Road, left Rosemary Road, right Bassange Road, right High Farm Road, left Albert Road, right Highfield Lane, continue Andrew Road to Halesowen Bus Station (But at one stage terminated/started from Andrew Road in the Halesowen Bus Station '00 rebuild)

[winston]

Where exactly did the 900 and 19/19S terminate Winston?

Hasbury (Portsdown Road) opp Cheviot Way - the bottom of the Squirrels Estate, they then continued to follow the current 4H route but turned left back down Rosemary Rd/Landsdown Rd/Dunstall Rd then turned right back up Huntingree Rd & right again up Thornhill Rd

Didnt they follow what ended up as the MH 619 route? With the MH 609 being the modern day 244 (Albeit in reverse and only running at night)?

I can't quite remember the MH 619, did the 619 just cover the Halesowen - Hasbury section daytimes when the 19/19S was withdrawn & 919 introduced?. As I remember it (and I'm struggling.....) the 19/19S were withdrawn when the Hagley Rd branding was introduced on BC's B10L's 1443-1467 & Scania's 1398 & 1399, that covered routes 9, 109, 139 & 919 (Mon-Fri AM/PM peaks only) the 919 followed the 9 route up Manor Lane and the expressway section dropped. Back then TMH also ran the 131 & 211 on to various parts of Hasbury. I can't remember what came next, I think at the Dudley review the 919 was withdrawn and the 241 & 244 original extensions to Hasbury did follow the former 19 & 919 routes around Hasbury until the current 244 was introduced and route changed to serve Bassnage Rd to match the evenings & Sunday 609.

The 619 ran Andrew Road, continue Highfield Lane, left Albert Road, right High Farm Road, left Huntingtree Road, left Dunstall Road, continue Lansdown Road, right Portsdown Road, left Lutley Lane, left Hagley Road, left Hagley Road, left Rosemary Road, continue Lansdowne Road, continue Dunstall Road, right Huntingtree Road, right High Farm Road, left Albert Road, right Highfield Lane, continue Andrew Road to Halesowen Bus Station (But at one stage terminated/started from Andrew Road in the Halesowen Bus Station '00 rebuild)

The 609 ran Andrew Road, continue Highfield Lane, left Albert Road, right High Farm Road, left Bassange Road, right Lansdown Road, left Portsdown Road, left Lutley Lane, left Hagley Road, left Hagley Road, left Rosemary Road, right Bassange Road, right High Farm Road, left Albert Road, right Highfield Lane, continue Andrew Road to Halesowen Bus Station (But at one stage terminated/started from Andrew Road in the Halesowen Bus Station '00 rebuild)

The 619 must have been after the 19/19S were withdrawn and replaced by the 919. Quinton garage closed in 1997, BC operated the 19/19S for a while with new B10L's, Merry Hill Minibuses was acquired by TWM in 1998 so the dates seem to fit.

The 609 routes is the same as the current 244. I remember back when the 609 was operated by The Little Red Bus Co with former GM buses Dodge breadvans

[sonic84]

The 619 replaced the 19/19S and filled the gaps between  the peak 919 and the evening 609.

Travel Merry Hill ran the 131 (which was the amalgamation of Merry Hill Mini routes 1 and 31) , which I believe originally ran from Hayley Green to Balfour Road via Hasbury, Halesowen, Hawne, Fatherless Barn, Cradley, Dunns Bank, Merry Hill, Brierley Hill, Wordsley and Kingswindford.

Then the Travel Merry Hill routes were amended, and it was revised to run from Merry Hill to Dudley via Dunns Bank, Cradley, Fatherless Barn, Hasbury, Halesowen, Hawne, Old Hill, Netherton, Baptist End, Dudley.

Then finally it was split at Halesowen, to become the 211 Halesowen - Brierley Hill (Which replaced the 212) and the 244 Halesowen - Dudley.

Also when the 609 evening service was originallly introduced it ran via Bassenage Road towards Hayley Green, but along Huntsland Road and Quarry Lane on the return to Halesowen (reverse of the 006)

[winston]

The 619 replaced the 19/19S and filled the gaps between  the peak 919 and the evening 609.

Travel Merry Hill ran the 131 (which was the amalgamation of Merry Hill Mini routes 1 and 31) , which I believe originally ran from Hayley Green to Balfour Road via Hasbury, Halesowen, Hawne, Fatherless Barn, Cradley, Dunns Bank, Merry Hill, Brierley Hill, Wordsley and Kingswindford.

Then the Travel Merry Hill routes were amended, and it was revised to run from Merry Hill to Dudley via Dunns Bank, Cradley, Fatherless Barn, Hasbury, Halesowen, Hawne, Old Hill, Netherton, Baptist End, Dudley.

Then finally it was split at Halesowen, to become the 211 Halesowen - Brierley Hill (Which replaced the 212) and the 244 Halesowen - Dudley.

Also when the 609 evening service was originallly introduced it ran via Bassenage Road towards Hayley Green, but along Huntsland Road and Quarry Lane on the return to Halesowen (reverse of the 006)

Cheers Sonic, you've got a better memory than me.......  ;)

[the trainbasher]

I don't remember Merry Hill 609  on the Huntsland Road and Quarry Lane (there again I spent a whole night on it once as a passenger!)