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Yesterday in the city centre outbound an 82E to Spring Hill (Tesco)

Yesterday the 23 and 24 were using Bath Row instead of Broad Street due to an incident on Suffold Street Queensway

One of the challenges TWM faced with 3-digit system is space on the flip dot/LED blinds. With conventional 4-track roller blinds, they numbers were always the same size regardless.

With flip dot/LED, you're space constrained meaning that the numbers would be squashed to accommodate the destination wording - add that with a 4-digit number, e.g. 501E, then you're even more constrained, and from a distance, harder to read.

Change, like everything else, is always hard to accept at first, though I do much prefer the old 3xx 4xx 5xx system myself, from a purely nostalgic perspective.

Honestly the system worked just fine.

There is too much duplication of numbers across the network and whilst someone is unlike to confuse the Birmingham 4 with a Wolverhampton 4, at one point there was a 46 in Great Barr that was different to the 46 in Perry Barr.

A lot of services are still 3 digit but just have letters instead of numbers.  

I have to say I noticed the 10 in to Birmingham from Quinton was much busier compared to a few months ago.

I never thought it could be the one operator ticketing

Just curious, are the Bartley Green changes to the X21 and X22 because of the tender award or would they have happened anyway?

Since the withdrawal of the 22 and X64, the Barley Green routing of the x21, x22 and 23 seems quite complicated.

First of our new 73 plate vehicles on the 55 service tomorrow 

The driver told me I the first passenger on board the new bus on the 10 leaving Four Dwellings at 7.30 this morning.  

I have to say they look very smart.

The 10 was very well used into the city centre this morning as well.

I also have fond memories of the 10, although I didn't use it that much myself. Unfortunately patronage at the Quinton Road West / West Boulevard end helped subsidise the lighter usage through the affluent areas of Harborne and Edgbaston, and when the 103 was extended to cover this end of the route, the 10 became less necessary and ultimately unviable as an all day service.

I have to say I agree about the 10.

If I ever need to get into the city centre during peaks, I always choose the 10 over the 24.  Same for returning back home.

To be honest, even more recently when nxwm ran the 10, I was surprised that more people didn't use it.

Is a single ticket transferable on the 11 if you have to changes buses?

If there are no plans to join the outer circle again, surely they are just separate routes now and should have different route numbers 

That doesn't make sense either as a one day nBus can be used on all NX services, so why would I only get a daysaver extra? The only advantage is a few extra pence for NXWM and zero advantage for the passenger.

My guess is that technically the nbus boundary hasn't changed, only that nxbus have decided to accept it on all there buses.... and therefore the new nbus ticket can't be purchased outside of the nbus boundary.

Instead there is the daysaver extra for nxbuses only.

I'd also like to know as the website does seem to suggest these are different tickets with different validity

If you take out NXWM, Rotala, Stagecoach and Arriva from the West Mids operating territory then there are very few commercially operated services by other companies - these smaller companies mostly operate contracted services for Centro where the company doesn't keep the money so it doesn't matter what you mention for them.

Also, clearly the companies involved will have costed this out to make it worthwhile for them otherwise they wouldn't be doing this in the first place.

I also wondered this.

I currently buy at daysaver but only travel on NXWM buses so they get the full £4.

I can still only travel on NXWM services but do they still get at least £4 of the £4.50? 

Has it been confirmed whether the new nbus ticket will be valid to Bromsgrove on the 20, Lichfield on the X3 and Cannock on the X51?

This doesn't appear to have been made clear anywhere as the existing nbus is not valid to these locations 

With what looks like the daysaver being phased out and the nbus day ticket replacing it, will operator's be better off as it's always been suggested that operators own tickets are more profitable than the multi bus versions.

Also will it be valid to Lichfield, Cannock and Bromsgrove where the daysaver is valid but nbus isn't?

I've found copies of a few of these timetables, 37A, 38Y, 81Y, 92Y and A6.  Can't say for definite whether there were additional changes to these services after these timetables but hope they are useful. Don't have the 102 although remember it well as I was living off West Boulevard at the time when it started, must have been around 2006.

Did the 37A replace the 38Y?

Looks like the same route reduced down to hourly 

Cheers. I know its not the only time Diamond had routes which showed one number in one direction but another in another direction (I found a old timetable which was for the 217/247/248 which had buses from Blackheath or Dudley to Stourbridge show 248, buses from Stourbridge to Blackheath show 217 and buses from Stourbridge to Dudley show 247 (despite being three distinct routes (247/8 Dudley - Stourbridge and 217 Merry Hill - Blackheath))

The other example is when Diamond took over the 443 Birmingham - Brandhall - Bearwood route and interworked it with the 222 from Bearwood to West Bromwich.

I believe in the West Brom direction it showed 443 between Bearwood and Brandhall, but 221 in the opposite direction, with through tickets available again 

Think it was a Go West Midlands thing!