Quote from: Stu on February 02, 2024, 05:50:02 PMCarolean Coaches (never heard of them) will take over the 19 from 11th February.
Some suspended journeys to be reinstated, and subject to further bouts of ASB, full timetable to be restored from 25th February:
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/plan-your-journey/ways-to-travel/buses-in-the-west-midlands/upcoming-bus-service-changes/
Just done a Google & it says they're based in Watery Lane Willenhall.
Old Midland Choice Travel premises?
@Wumpty ?
Quote from: Westy on February 02, 2024, 06:20:13 PMJust done a Google & it says they're based in Watery Lane Willenhall.
Old Midland Choice Travel premises?
@Wumpty ?
Midland Choice were not on Watery Lane, Willenhall
If you check fully you will see that is just the registered office, probably the owners home, DVSA lists the Operating centres in Darlaston & Norton Canes
So it's official!! Although it's going to a company I've never even heard of....and surely I'm not the only one?
Quote from: Tony on February 02, 2024, 06:27:22 PMMidland Choice were not on Watery Lane, Willenhall
If you check fully you will see that is just the registered office, probably the owners home, DVSA lists the Operating centres in Darlaston & Norton Canes
midland choice were originally based on watery lane towards neachells lane end. they moved to planetary road parking oneside garage the other.
there is a taxi company and coach company on watery lane at present too, but not that company name.
Quote from: Tony on February 02, 2024, 06:27:22 PMMidland Choice were not on Watery Lane, Willenhall
If you check fully you will see that is just the registered office, probably the owners home, DVSA lists the Operating centres in Darlaston & Norton Canes
Midland Choice Travel started operations renting premises from Edward Howell Galvanisers on Watery Lane. We had one unit housing circa 6-8 buses and maintenance facilities, with the rest of the vehicles outside on the pad (entrance was on the brow of the hill). We had blinds made showing "WILLENHALL Watery Lane" as the 171 ran in service terminating at the garage prior to evening service starting.
Operations then moved to Planetary Road for the D&G/Midland/Arriva period.
Quote from: Stu on February 02, 2024, 05:50:02 PMCarolean Coaches (never heard of them) will take over the 19 from 11th February.
Some suspended journeys to be reinstated, and subject to further bouts of ASB, full timetable to be restored from 25th February:
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/plan-your-journey/ways-to-travel/buses-in-the-west-midlands/upcoming-bus-service-changes/
They are operated by the same people as Sovereign Coaches from the existing depot on Watery Lane:
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/06311278/officers
Quote from: Stu on February 02, 2024, 05:50:02 PMCarolean Coaches (never heard of them) will take over the 19 from 11th February.
Some suspended journeys to be reinstated, and subject to further bouts of ASB, full timetable to be restored from 25th February:
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/plan-your-journey/ways-to-travel/buses-in-the-west-midlands/upcoming-bus-service-changes/
Glad I'm not the only one who's never heard of them 😂
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 02, 2024, 08:39:33 PMSo it's official!! Although it's going to a company I've never even heard of....and surely I'm not the only one?
I understand that it is a successor to a former Walsall operator that lasted a few years some 15 years ago...
Quote from: Straightlines on February 02, 2024, 09:37:50 PMI understand that it is a successor to a former Walsall operator that lasted a few years some 15 years ago...
Surname of the proprietor is the same, but can't see any other link
Quote from: Tony on February 02, 2024, 09:44:14 PMSurname of the proprietor is the same, but can't see any other link
Successors don't necessarily have the exact same proprietors!
If someone who worked for one company sets up a new one 15 years later it doesn't make it a successor.
On that basis Banga Travel is a successor to WMPTE
Quote from: Tony on February 02, 2024, 09:56:04 PMIf someone who worked for one company sets up a new one 15 years later it doesn't make it a successor.
On that basis Banga Travel is a successor to WMPTE
Nobody mentioned anything about anyone working for past companies as an employee.
Quote from: Stu on February 02, 2024, 05:50:02 PMCarolean Coaches (never heard of them) will take over the 19 from 11th February.
Some suspended journeys to be reinstated, and subject to further bouts of ASB, full timetable to be restored from 25th February:
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/plan-your-journey/ways-to-travel/buses-in-the-west-midlands/upcoming-bus-service-changes/
Wonder what stuff they'll run it with, literally not a single thing about them online lol, their website claims they have multiple premier league football clients and a large coach fleet but no actual photos of their vehicles other than a NX Levante with their livery photoshopped on. https://caroleancoaches.com/fleet/
Quote from: EK40 on February 02, 2024, 10:35:36 PMWonder what stuff they'll run it with, literally not a single thing about them online lol, their website claims they have multiple premier league football clients and a large coach fleet but no actual photos of their vehicles other than a NX Levante with their livery photoshopped on. https://caroleancoaches.com/fleet/
Probably some dealer stock E200s Plain white.
Quote from: Tony on February 02, 2024, 09:44:14 PMSurname of the proprietor is the same, but can't see any other link
Their date of birth is August 1979 for both too.
Ajaz Ali of A2Z Travel
Ajaz Ali of Carolean Coaches
Quote from: winston on February 02, 2024, 11:00:54 PMTheir date of birth is August 1979 for both too.
Ajaz Ali of A2Z Travel
Ajaz Ali of Carolean Coaches
He should be aware of operating 'conditions' around Blakenall already, as A2Z previously operated on the old 328 & 329 around there!
Quote from: Westy on February 02, 2024, 11:37:05 PMHe should be aware of operating 'conditions' around Blakenall already, as A2Z previously operated on the old 328 & 329 around there!
It has probably changed a bit since then....
Quote from: winston on February 02, 2024, 11:37:55 PMIt has probably changed a bit since then....
once a shithole
@winston always a shithole 😂😂
QuoteProbably some dealer stock E200s Plain white.
Ah, but will they have bandit screens I wonder, as did the now deleted segment of the tender spec say that they had to be fitted etc?
Quote from: Tony on February 02, 2024, 09:44:14 PMSurname of the proprietor is the same, but can't see any other link
See Companies House and the Persons of significant control tab
They should buy TR6147 and give the passengers upper body armour and helmets.
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 03, 2024, 01:53:58 AMAh, but will they have bandit screens I wonder, as did the now deleted segment of the tender spec say that they had to be fitted etc?
As virtually every cheap second hand bus started life in London that is almost guaranteed
YX11 AEO is the first I believe which started life with Abellio, but has been with Vision Travel since 2020
Quote from: winston on February 02, 2024, 11:00:54 PMTheir date of birth is August 1979 for both too.
Ajaz Ali of A2Z Travel
Ajaz Ali of Carolean Coaches
And Sovereign inbetween
Quote from: metrocity on February 03, 2024, 08:36:56 AMSee Companies House and the Persons of significant control tab
Shazad Ali was the main man behind A2Z, he also went to Sovereign Coaches and is currently running 247 taxis in Willenhall
Quote from: Tony on February 02, 2024, 06:27:22 PMMidland Choice were not on Watery Lane, Willenhall
If you check fully you will see that is just the registered office, probably the owners home, DVSA lists the Operating centres in Darlaston & Norton Canes
I live in Darlaston there isn't an obvious place for them to be based where does it say they are based in Darlaston, wasn't there an Operator who had a base from Wolverhampton Street in Darlaston next to the canal, Central Logestics or something they were called they ran on the 79 I think and the 89. I believe there old Depot is now a lorry place.
If I start seeing Dealer White E200's then I'll know that must be one place there are based.
It seems interesting they will have 1 bus route. What is the PVR of the 19, NX had 2 buses on it I think so that's 2 buses with presumably 2 spare. Darlaston to Bloxwhich isn't to far for spare veichles just down the Black Country Route or up Midland Road into Short Heath and continue along the A462 passing the 529 by Willenhall Maccies and then into New Invention. Hopefully they have better luck. For a company who claim to be based in Darlaston and have a fleet of Coaches, I'm surprised I haven't seen them. Unless they do local School Trip contracts in that case it is a Plain White Old Looking Coach probably about 70 Seats as I live near a school so see it Park up to take the kids on there trips.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 03, 2024, 11:48:05 AMI live in Darlaston there isn't an obvious place for them to be based where does it say they are based in Darlaston, wasn't there an Operator who had a base from Wolverhampton Street in Darlaston next to the canal, Central Logestics or something they were called they ran on the 79 I think and the 89. I believe there old Depot is now a lorry place.
If I start seeing Dealer White E200's then I'll know that must be one place there are based.
It seems interesting they will have 1 bus route. What is the PVR of the 19, NX had 2 buses on it I think so that's 2 buses with presumably 2 spare. Darlaston to Bloxwhich isn't to far for spare veichles just down the Black Country Route or up Midland Road into Short Heath and continue along the A462 passing the 529 by Willenhall Maccies and then into New Invention. Hopefully they have better luck. For a company who claim to be based in Darlaston and have a fleet of Coaches, I'm surprised I haven't seen them. Unless they do local School Trip contracts in that case it is a Plain White Old Looking Coach probably about 70 Seats as I live near a school so see it Park up to take the kids on there trips.
The first bus is not in dealer white.
Why not look it up yourself all depots are listed on the DVSA website (
Bhandal Business Park, Heath Road, Darlaston, WS10 8LP)
Weren't A2Z banned by the TC for a number of things including unreliable services and dangerous buses. I barely remember them in Walsall was A2Z taxis releated, If so my Grandparents always used them before my Grandma became wheelchair bound to get from there house in Moxley to various places. If we didn't get the 79 or 339/39
Quote from: Tony on February 03, 2024, 11:15:02 AMShazad Ali was the main man behind A2Z, he also went to Sovereign Coaches and is currently running 247 taxis in Willenhall
He also owns between 25% and 50% of Carolean Coaches
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/14864489/persons-with-significant-control
Quote from: Tony on February 03, 2024, 12:04:50 PMThe first bus is not in dealer white.
Why not look it up yourself all depots are listed on the DVSA website ( Bhandal Business Park, Heath Road, Darlaston, WS10 8LP)
Heath Road ah Explains why I didn't see anything, been a while since I passed that way. The closest I go is Bentley Road South to watch Darlaston play.
Edit Bhandal Bussiness Park doesn't seem to exist and mapping the postcode they don't appear on the area.
On Streetview there Yard on Watery Lane does have a coach in it. Can't tell what it is
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 03, 2024, 12:09:56 PMWeren't A2Z banned by the TC for a number of things including unreliable services and dangerous buses. I barely remember them in Walsall was A2Z taxis releated, If so my Grandparents always used them before my Grandma became wheelchair bound to get from there house in Moxley to various places. If we didn't get the 79 or 339/39
Didn't they have the contract for the old 351 at one point?
Quote from: Westy on February 03, 2024, 02:37:39 PMDidn't they have the contract for the old 351 at one point?
I wouldn't know I barely remember them Operating in Walsall
Quote from: Tony on February 03, 2024, 08:45:40 AMAs virtually every cheap second hand bus started life in London that is almost guaranteed
YX11 AEO is the first I believe which started life with Abellio, but has been with Vision Travel since 2020
@Tony I can confirm your information is correct, I purposely drove past their depot earlier and it was parked on the yard it was the only Enviro parked on there yard (and it is indeed still in Vision Bus blue), I did see a plain white Levante and a Tourismo parked up too, I would like to assume they are aware that the 19 is a two bus working and I can only assume the other bus will be arriving in due course
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 03, 2024, 02:27:13 PMHeath Road ah Explains why I didn't see anything, been a while since I passed that way. The closest I go is Bentley Road South to watch Darlaston play.
Edit Bhandal Bussiness Park doesn't seem to exist and mapping the postcode they don't appear on the area.
On Streetview there Yard on Watery Lane does have a coach in it. Can't tell what it is
Bhandal Business Park does exist as its listed on the Web. Possibly its a recent name.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 03, 2024, 12:09:56 PMWeren't A2Z banned by the TC for a number of things including unreliable services and dangerous buses. I barely remember them in Walsall was A2Z taxis releated, If so my Grandparents always used them before my Grandma became wheelchair bound to get from there house in Moxley to various places. If we didn't get the 79 or 339/39
Yep. They also won the tenders for the 516/517 services to Pattingham. Some of their buses were acquired by Midland (formerly Choice Travel) I think.
Is there any ex nx 17xx still with the green bus available foe sale.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on February 03, 2024, 09:05:56 PMYep. They also won the tenders for the 516/517 services to Pattingham. Some of their buses were acquired by Midland (formerly Choice Travel) I think.
Pictures of their fleet are on the main site
https://www.wmbusphotos.com/ceased/A2Z/fleetlist.html
A2Z routes I remember operating during their years of operation
9 Walsall - Lodge Farm
18 Wolverhampton - Lyndale Park
51 Walsall - Birmingham (Sundays only)
301 Walsall - Mossley
303 Bilston - County Bridge
303A/C Walsall - Bloxwich - Lower Farm Circular
327 Willenhall - Wednesbury
328/329 Walsall - Blakenhall Circular
331 Walsall - Willenhall
338 Walsall - Darlaston
339 Walsall - Bilston
340/341 Walsall - New Invention / Willenhall
351 Walsall - Cannock (Sundays)
360 Walsall - High Heath - Aldridge
376 Walsall - Kingstanding
394 Walsall - Brownhills
511 Wolverhampton - Underhill
512/513 Wolverhampton - Warstones
516/517 Wolverhampton - Pattingham
529 Walsall - Wolverhampton (Sundays only)
575 Wolverhampton - Bilston
991 Walsall - Lichfield
Possibly more I've forgotten
Quote from: Rachvince53 on February 03, 2024, 09:03:27 PMBhandal Business Park does exist as its listed on the Web. Possibly its a recent name.
Not on Google Maps it doesn't but I will check next time I'm around that way
I thought the purpose of this topic was to discuss this new operator Carolean Coaches?
Quote from: Stu on February 04, 2024, 09:41:09 AMI thought the purpose of this topic was to discuss this new operator Carolean Coaches?
It's ironic that out of the handful of posts discussing the operational history of the new operator's owners, which you're objecting to, four have been authored by the forum owner!
Isn't that where that one Foodservice company that was on a Channel 5 documentary in the last couple of years is based?
(Name escapes me?)
(I know it's not Blakemores, as that's on Steelmans Road!)
Quote from: Westy on February 04, 2024, 12:47:09 PMIsn't that where that one Foodservice company that was on a Channel 5 documentary in the last couple of years is based?
(Name escapes me?)
(I know it's not Blakemores, as that's on Steelmans Road!)
Euro Foods Group?
On Google maps there is a thing near to it listed as Transport Yard marked as a Shop is this there yard
You also have the Fatima Food Group nearer to Darlaston
Euro Foods is the junction of Kendricks Road
Quote from: metrocity on February 04, 2024, 10:09:07 AMIt's ironic that out of the handful of posts discussing the operational history of the new operator's owners, which you're objecting to, four have been authored by the forum owner!
I'm just politely trying to get this topic back on the subject of Carolean Coaches, thank you.
Does anyone know how long Carolean have the contract for? Is it a completely new contract or does the length include the time Chaserider have operated it?
Quote from: Rachvince53 on February 04, 2024, 04:31:48 PMDoes anyone know how long Carolean have the contract for? Is it a completely new contract or does the length include the time Chaserider have operated it?
As the contract was put out to tender by TfWM, it will be a new one. I don't know how long it is for though.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on February 04, 2024, 04:31:48 PMDoes anyone know how long Carolean have the contract for? Is it a completely new contract or does the length include the time Chaserider have operated it?
It's a new contract until October 2026 however there is a mutual termination clause if either party wishes to terminate it sooner
Quote from: Lynx1103 on February 03, 2024, 09:42:32 PMIs there any ex nx 17xx still with the green bus available foe sale.
Yes, but they are only Euro3, so won't be suitable for use on public bus services in the West Midlands.
Quote from: Stu on February 04, 2024, 05:14:20 PMYes, but they are only Euro3, so won't be suitable for use on public bus services in the West Midlands.
Rather Strangely 1750 & 1751 show on London ULEZ checker as acceptable hence why a London operator (Horseferry, Fulham) purchased 1751 which was quite heavily robbed at Walsall but put back together by The Bus Works.
They are both definitely still Euro 3 so don't know how that happened. The only two Euro 6 ones are 1779 & 1780 in the training fleet.
Quote from: Stu on February 04, 2024, 05:14:20 PMYes, but they are only Euro3, so won't be suitable for use on public bus services in the West Midlands.
They did have quite a large number of E400 MK1 and MK2 euro 6. Does anyone know which ones they still have now?
Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=368489862790828&set=a.104090272564123)
Quote from: 2206 on February 04, 2024, 11:57:52 PMThey did have quite a large number of E400 MK1 and MK2 euro 6. Does anyone know which ones they still have now?
Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=368489862790828&set=a.104090272564123)
E400 bit overkill for the 19 the E200 they have listed may be perfect if it is Euro 6. I know Arriva used DAF DB250 on the 19 back when it ran to Wolverhampton
If it's an e400 then there's more targets for the yoots to aim at.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 05, 2024, 01:16:58 AME400 bit overkill for the 19 the E200 they have listed may be perfect if it is Euro 6. I know Arriva used DAF DB250 on the 19 back when it ran to Wolverhampton
Plenty of used Enviro 200s and Optare Solos on the market. The cost of conversion to Euro 6 is about 12-15k. No reason to buy a Enviro 400 at all.
Quote from: MW on February 05, 2024, 03:00:56 PMPlenty of used Enviro 200s and Optare Solos on the market. The cost of conversion to Euro 6 is about 12-15k. No reason to buy a Enviro 400 at all.
I know someone just said there is an E400 for sale the 19 with NX used mostly E200's, B7's seemed a bit overkill for it when they were used. It does get busy the 19 but the 29 is the main route through there so that is busier.
I hope Carlolean know what they have got themselves in for on the 19 and are prepared to have Veichles of the road with damage. They should have 2 actually Operating plus 2 spare.
It will be interesting to see what other work they bid for or if they start there own routes. I have heard people of Lodge Farm complain about the 41's reliability and suggested bringing back the 40 before me and someone else pointed the 37 exists. However they stated they wanted a quicker bus than the 37 to Walsall as an alternative for the 41. So they could bring back the 40 maybe only between Willenhall and Walsall. Other than that and maybe running a bus to Cannock via the old Direct X51 Route there isn't else much I can see them running on that hasn't been tried and failed. I realise Arriva failed on the Cannock to Walsall routes but that was during and before the X51 being 1 more frequent to Cannock and 2 running the same route, now it takes a different route could be worth a look. If not the 40 could be brought back. If not let's hope the 19 doesn't kill them with the Anti Social Behaviour And they can make it work to maybe run it commercially if they so wished.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 05, 2024, 05:38:49 PMI know someone just said there is an E400 for sale the 19 with NX used mostly E200's, B7's seemed a bit overkill for it when they were used. It does get busy the 19 but the 29 is the main route through there so that is busier.
I hope Carlolean know what they have got themselves in for on the 19 and are prepared to have Veichles of the road with damage. They should have 2 actually Operating plus 2 spare.
It will be interesting to see what other work they bid for or if they start there own routes. I have heard people of Lodge Farm complain about the 41's reliability and suggested bringing back the 40 before me and someone else pointed the 37 exists. However they stated they wanted a quicker bus than the 37 to Walsall as an alternative for the 41. So they could bring back the 40 maybe only between Willenhall and Walsall. Other than that and maybe running a bus to Cannock via the old Direct X51 Route there isn't else much I can see them running on that hasn't been tried and failed. I realise Arriva failed on the Cannock to Walsall routes but that was during and before the X51 being 1 more frequent to Cannock and 2 running the same route, now it takes a different route could be worth a look. If not the 40 could be brought back. If not let's hope the 19 doesn't kill them with the Anti Social Behaviour And they can make it work to maybe run it commercially if they so wished.
See I said this the other day, if they do well and can prove they are reliable etc then maybe they will get offered routes to run by TfWM (I don't really know if that's a thing that happens – I'm sure
@Tony would be able to clarify?) but anyway if it does then I can see them being offered the 35A from Chaserider, because I'm aware of an instance I think it was before Christmas now where the bus broke down on the 35A and the service did not operate for well over 2 hours because I'm led to believe Chaserider didn't have a Euro 6 bus spare and they didn't want to put a Euro 5 vehicle on there;
As I said above I don't know if that does happen with TfWM if an operater isn't doing any good on a route or has no end of breakdowns and or lost mileage it can be taken off them and given to another operator I'm sure somebody can clarify this please?
QuoteSee I said this the other day, if they do well and can prove they are reliable etc then maybe they will get offered routes to run by TfWM (I don't really know if that's a thing that happens – I'm sure @Tony would be able to clarify?) but anyway if it does then I can see them being offered the 35A from Chaserider, because I'm aware of an instance I think it was before Christmas now where the bus broke down on the 35A and the service did not operate for well over 2 hours because I'm led to believe Chaserider didn't have a Euro 6 bus spare and they didn't want to put a Euro 5 vehicle on there;
As I said above I don't know if that does happen with TfWM if an operater isn't doing any good on a route or has no end of breakdowns and or lost mileage it can be taken off them and given to another operator I'm sure somebody can clarify this please?
It would go to open tender if TfWM or the operator ended the contract early
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 05, 2024, 05:38:49 PMI know someone just said there is an E400 for sale the 19 with NX used mostly E200's, B7's seemed a bit overkill for it when they were used. It does get busy the 19 but the 29 is the main route through there so that is busier.
I hope Carlolean know what they have got themselves in for on the 19 and are prepared to have Veichles of the road with damage. They should have 2 actually Operating plus 2 spare.
It sounds as if the directors have links with the management of a former Walsall operator, so I'm sure they know what they've got themselves into. In terms of 2 operating and 2 spare, they'd be running at a loss. (I'm not sure what the PVR is but I'm going by what you've said.)
Spare compliant vehicles become viable when your operating PVR is higher than 2, that's for sure. I'm sure they've got plans to become bigger in that region, rather than just stick to the 19.
What'll be interesting to see is the price they've won the tender at.
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 05, 2024, 07:29:52 PMSee I said this the other day, if they do well and can prove they are reliable etc then maybe they will get offered routes to run by TfWM (I don't really know if that's a thing that happens – I'm sure Tony (https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=1) would be able to clarify?)
Operators don't get 'offered' routes by TfWM, contracts go out to tender for bidding on.
Quote from: Stu on February 05, 2024, 08:47:56 PMOperators don't get 'offered' routes by TfWM, contracts go out to tender for bidding on.
As I said I wasn't sure how it works
Quote from: MW on February 05, 2024, 08:17:01 PMIt sounds as if the directors have links with the management of a former Walsall operator, so I'm sure they know what they've got themselves into. In terms of 2 operating and 2 spare, they'd be running at a loss. (I'm not sure what the PVR is but I'm going by what you've said.)
Spare compliant vehicles become viable when your operating PVR is higher than 2, that's for sure. I'm sure they've got plans to become bigger in that region, rather than just stick to the 19.
What'll be interesting to see is the price they've won the tender at.
Well they need 1 spare in case 1 veichle breaks down or being Blakenall gets smashed
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 05, 2024, 11:46:29 PMWell they need 1 spare in case 1 veichle breaks down or being Blakenall gets smashed
In theory if they already have coaches then they could use a coach as long as its PSVAR equipped (I.e wheelchair lift, LED display blinds etc).
Quote from: Lukeee on February 05, 2024, 11:50:10 PMIn theory if they already have coaches then they could use a coach as long as its PSVAR equipped (I.e wheelchair lift, LED display blinds etc).
Won't using a wheelchair lift slow things down with loading / unloading?
Quote from: Westy on February 06, 2024, 12:18:53 AMWon't using a wheelchair lift slow things down with loading / unloading?
Not if you don't see the intending passenger
Quote from: Lukeee on February 05, 2024, 11:50:10 PMIn theory if they already have coaches then they could use a coach as long as its PSVAR equipped (I.e wheelchair lift, LED display blinds etc).
Oh right would the Passsngers have been seatbelted or not
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 06, 2024, 10:54:51 AMOh right would the Passsngers have been seatbelted or not
If a seat belt is provided then the passengers should use it, same as on the rare instance of a seat belted bus being used on any service. However the likely hood of passengers actually using the seat belts is very unlikely.
Quote from: Lukeee on February 05, 2024, 11:50:10 PMIn theory if they already have coaches then they could use a coach as long as its PSVAR equipped (I.e wheelchair lift, LED display blinds etc).
That is not correct, the vehicle needs to be low floor which a coach is not
So a few things,
I've heard that the new contract states that buses MUST have bandit alarms, in my opinion bandit alarms don't do anything I was on a national express West Midlands 47 the other day and some guy got on long story short he refused to get off so driver turned bus off and put the bandit alarm on 2 police vehicles passed do you think they stopped hearing that alarm blaring no they carried on, bandit alarms don't mean anything no one pays attention to them when they are going off,
Secondly, from what I've heard I'm not saying I'm right or it's true before the comments start, I have heard that this company will only have 2 enviro 200s one being ex vision bus, if this is the case I'd love to know how they are going to manage when they have a window or as it has happened to Chaserider before both vehicles have windows smashed if they only have 2 vehicles how are they going to cope, I'm assuming they are going to need at least 4 buses for this route even then with the 19 route I don't think that is enough buses because I'm assuming they will have to have a company like PSV glass come out to replace their windows, this sometimes can take a few days, if they get targeted again the next day with spare buses it won't be good.
They appear to be a coach company based in Willienhall, and according to the TfWM website they are taking over the 19 from Chaserider on Sunday. https://www.tfwm.org.uk/plan-your-journey/ways-to-travel/buses-in-the-west-midlands/upcoming-bus-service-changes/
@winston I think this needs deleting someone has created another thread for this company despite the fact I did that the other day 🙄🙄
Drove past there yard earlier and noted that the Vision Bus Enviro has vanished I would like to assume that maybe they had possibly sent it off for paint during this week sometime and it'll be in plain white ready for Sunday (I mean pigs might fly of course) but stranger things have happened; it would appear that it has had a V5C change (this week) so I can only assume that maybe they have purchased that bus from Vision
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 09, 2024, 11:20:57 PM@winston I think this needs deleting someone has created another thread for this company despite the fact I did that the other day 🙄🙄
My apologies, I did look and couldn't find one that already exists but I've just looked again and I can confirm I am definitley blind, sorry.
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 09, 2024, 11:26:35 PMDrove past there yard earlier and noted that the Vision Bus Enviro has vanished I would like to assume that maybe they had possibly sent it off for paint during this week sometime and it'll be in plain white ready for Sunday (I mean pigs might fly of course) but stranger things have happened; it would appear that it has had a V5C change (this week) so I can only assume that maybe they have purchased that bus from Vision
Chartwell has/had a few Vision E200s, which are Euro 6 converted.
Quote from: MW on February 09, 2024, 11:45:54 PMChartwell has/had a few Vision E200s, which are Euro 6 converted.
I found the exact one (YX11 AEO) so it obvious that Carolean must of either purchased or leased it from Chartwell
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 10, 2024, 12:27:07 AMI found the exact one (YX11 AEO) so it obvious that Carolean must of either purchased or leased it from Chartwell
Euro 6 isn't as hard to get these days. Between 20-30k gets you something that's been converted. Chartwell have also got a Euro 6 converted Optare Versa - it looks like an ex Decourcey one.
Time will tell if these Enviros are reliable. Don't quote me but I believe these YX11 Enviros have NX style interiors. New to Abellio?
Quote from: MW on February 10, 2024, 12:45:22 AMEuro 6 isn't as hard to get these days. Between 20-30k gets you something that's been converted. Chartwell have also got a Euro 6 converted Optare Versa - it looks like an ex Decourcey one.
Time will tell if these Enviros are reliable. Don't quote me but I believe these YX11 Enviros have NX style interiors. New to Abellio?
correct
@MW I would assume it was new to or owned by at some stage Travel London (or is that going a little too far back?)
Please browse or search the forum before starting a new topic, there is already a thread for this new operator:
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=6654.0
Interesting tweet from Safer Travel WM with an accompanying letter.
Seems they've forgotten that NX haven't run the 19 for quite some time!
https://twitter.com/ST_Police/status/1755601284877758486
(Posted this on the 29 vandalism post as it refers to the 29 too)
Running of route 19 started today with YX11 AEO saw it leaving Fastline's yard to take up 10.00 start from Walsall bus station.Also in yard former Panther Travel AS09 PAN (LJ09KPT).
YX11 AEO | Today (Sunday 11th Feb) saw the start of Carolean... | Flickr (https://www.flickr.com/photos/je1791/53522529605/in/dateposted/)
Quote from: andyh on February 11, 2024, 10:54:29 AMRunning of route 19 started today with YX11 AEO saw it leaving Fastline's yard to take up 10.00 start from Walsall bus station.Also in yard former Panther Travel AS09 PAN (LJ09KPT).
YX11 AEO | Today (Sunday 11th Feb) saw the start of Carolean... | Flickr (https://www.flickr.com/photos/je1791/53522529605/in/dateposted/)
Fastline are based in Pleck, Carloean's depot is listed as Darlaston any link between the two or are they just using this as storage. As whenever I have past Fastline's depot they do sometimes have other coaches in the yard.
First Impressions, Bus is in a livery and has there name and legals on it better than Travel Express, Driver and Second Driver possibly are in a Uniform and have Hi Vi's Jackets on, there isn't any fare information that I could see but so far they don't look like a cowboy Operator. Will be interesting to see if they do get a livery either this Blue Livery or something else.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 11, 2024, 11:57:29 AMFastline are based in Pleck, Carloean's depot is listed as Darlaston any link between the two or are they just using this as storage. As whenever I have past Fastline's depot they do sometimes have other coaches in the yard.
First Impressions, Bus is in a livery and has there name and legals on it better than Travel Express, Driver and Second Driver possibly are in a Uniform and have Hi Vi's Jackets on, there isn't any fare information that I could see but so far they don't look like a cowboy Operator. Will be interesting to see if they do get a livery either this Blue Livery or something else.
that blue is Vision Bus livery and plus I've noted there is no ticket machine thus they are not tracking; oh and there running early me & my partner witnessed it leaving Bloxwich 4 mins early it was supposed of departed at 13:30 but he chose to leave 4 mins early and he was back in Walsall early too
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 11, 2024, 11:57:29 AMFastline are based in Pleck, Carloean's depot is listed as Darlaston any link between the two or are they just using this as storage. As whenever I have past Fastline's depot they do sometimes have other coaches in the yard.
First Impressions, Bus is in a livery and has there name and legals on it better than Travel Express, Driver and Second Driver possibly are in a Uniform and have Hi Vi's Jackets on, there isn't any fare information that I could see but so far they don't look like a cowboy Operator. Will be interesting to see if they do get a livery either this Blue Livery or something else.
Had a ride on YX11 AEO earlier. Seemed alright to fair. Whilst the vehicle may still be in Vision Bus colours, it has logos on which clearly state the company name. Drivers have uniform and hi-vizs.
Only negative points I would say are that the vehicles currently have no ticket machines at the moment nor any assault screen.
Regarding the fleet, I've been told they have x2 ex Vision Bus E200's, so I'm guessing that ex Panther Travel E200 would mean they have three.
It is only the first day though, so we will see how things go. But it is good to see new operators giving bus work a go in the West Midlands.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 11, 2024, 02:19:05 PMHad a ride on YX11 AEO earlier. Seemed alright to fair. Whilst the vehicle may still be in Vision Bus colours, it has logos on which clearly state the company name. Drivers have uniform and hi-vizs.
Only negative points I would say are that the vehicles currently have no ticket machines at the moment nor any assault screen.
Regarding the fleet, I've been told they have x2 ex Vision Bus E200's, so I'm guessing that ex Panther Travel E200 would mean they have three.
It is only the first day though, so we will see how things go. But it is good to see new operators giving bus work a go in the West Midlands.
@Michael Bevan I 100% agree it's refreshing to see a this new operator giving service work a crack unlike the usual operators hopefully this company does well and hopefully manages to get other work
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 11, 2024, 02:11:06 PMthat blue is Vision Bus livery and plus I've noted there is no ticket machine thus they are not tracking; oh and there running early me & my partner witnessed it leaving Bloxwich 4 mins early it was supposed of departed at 13:30 but he chose to leave 4 mins early and he was back in Walsall early too
4 minutes early if he has no Ticket machine might be a fast watch or something. When they do get Ticket Machines then they should be Able to keep to time
Do they have two buses out today being a normal Weekday timetable. And are they still using the Fastline yard on Wednesbury Road or are the actually going to be using Heath Lane
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 11, 2024, 02:19:05 PMHad a ride on YX11 AEO earlier. Seemed alright to fair. Whilst the vehicle may still be in Vision Bus colours, it has logos on which clearly state the company name. Drivers have uniform and hi-vizs.
Only negative points I would say are that the vehicles currently have no ticket machines at the moment nor any assault screen.
Regarding the fleet, I've been told they have x2 ex Vision Bus E200's, so I'm guessing that ex Panther Travel E200 would mean they have three.
It is only the first day though, so we will see how things go. But it is good to see new operators giving bus work a go in the West Midlands.
Following on from my post the other day, I had a ride on YX11 AEE to Bloxwich this morning. Much better than AEO the other day. Cab assault screen was evident, working CCTV is shown on the vehicle and to top it off I had a nice/happy driver who was telling me the service has apparently been quite busy over the last couple of days (which I can believe as 16 people boarded the service which I caught on Sunday)!
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 13, 2024, 07:53:59 AMFollowing on from my post the other day, I had a ride on YX11 AEE to Bloxwich this morning. Much better than AEO the other day. Cab assault screen was evident, working CCTV is shown on the vehicle and to top it off I had a nice/happy driver who was telling me the service has apparently been quite busy over the last couple of days (which I can believe as 16 people boarded the service which I caught on Sunday)!
it's all good at the moment Michael but when they start having windows smashed I'm sure drivers opinions will change then; it was like when Chaserider took it on all of the drivers some being ex Arriva; Diamond and NX who have driven the route prior knew what to expect; although there were others that didn't
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 13, 2024, 09:26:23 AMit's all good at the moment Michael but when they start having windows smashed I'm sure drivers opinions will change then; it was like when Chaserider took it on all of the drivers some being ex Arriva; Diamond and NX who have driven the route prior knew what to expect; although there were others that didn't
The Yobs are a bit busy in Beechdale at the moment, but they may remain happy as they are taking on a route and maybe despite the ASB are happy to provide a community service. If these do withdraw, it will not only possibly put the company at risk they only operate this route. Unless they find other work but will mean a community looses it's bus service. Yes the 29 exists but the 19 covers parts the 29 doesn't and vice Versa. Hopefully they have had Prior warning from some of the community what to expect.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 13, 2024, 12:13:19 PMThe Yobs are a bit busy in Beechdale at the moment, but they may remain happy as they are taking on a route and maybe despite the ASB are happy to provide a community service. If these do withdraw, it will not only possibly put the company at risk they only operate this route. Unless they find other work but will mean a community looses it's bus service. Yes the 29 exists but the 19 covers parts the 29 doesn't and vice Versa. Hopefully they have had Prior warning from some of the community what to expect.
Well, if he's previously operated in the area, as previously mentioned, or reads the newspapers, then you'd thought he'd have a fair idea what to expect.
You'd like to think TfWM would've officially briefed them with what's what?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 13, 2024, 07:53:59 AMFollowing on from my post the other day, I had a ride on YX11 AEE to Bloxwich this morning. Much better than AEO the other day. Cab assault screen was evident, working CCTV is shown on the vehicle and to top it off I had a nice/happy driver who was telling me the service has apparently been quite busy over the last couple of days (which I can believe as 16 people boarded the service which I caught on Sunday)!
I'm sure the regulars are more than happy they have a company who aren't finishing early again too!
Quote from: Westy on February 13, 2024, 01:53:31 PMWell, if he's previously operated in the area, as previously mentioned, or reads the newspapers, then you'd thought he'd have a fair idea what to expect.
You'd like to think TfWM would've officially briefed them with what's what?
But when he last Operated In the area was the Vandalism as bad was it targeted more at NX buses than now just any bus. I certainly didn't hear as often as I do about buses being attacked. Darlaston Specifically Rough Hay on the 334 (34) and Herberts Park on the 339 (39) seemed to be bad for having buses attacked. It doesn't happen now a days. Beechdale always had a reputation, Lodge Farm which now sees the 41 get attacked I've been through loads of times never been attacked so that is a new trend. Blakenall has always had a reputation but I don't know if it was bad for buses being attacked back in the old 329 days back when A2Z ran. But hopefully he does know and has prepared his drivers. They do have a spare bus so that is a sign they are prepared, I do think they need 1 more just in case as on the 29 a B7 could get attacked, the replacement E200 then gets attacked before say an E400 goes onto the diversion route
Quote from: Jack on February 13, 2024, 04:08:38 PMI'm sure the regulars are more than happy they have a company who aren't finishing early again too!
Chaserider had there reasons for doing that how many times do you need to be told that!
Carolean had an all white Tourismo - BX15OEE on rail replacement duties at Coventry today.
The Third bus is ex Panther Travel AS09 PAN.
Watery Lane is only a temporary home and they are moving to new leased premises in Bescot soon, when the landlord has finished preparing the site.
Quote from: Tony on February 13, 2024, 09:22:55 PMThe Third bus is ex Panther Travel AS09 PAN.
Watery Lane is only a temporary home and they are moving to new leased premises in Bescot soon, when the landlord has finished preparing the site.
What about Heath Road that is listed as the address, they are using Fastline's depot in Pleck at the minute unless they have gone to Heath Road
Quote from: Tony on February 13, 2024, 09:22:55 PMThe Third bus is ex Panther Travel AS09 PAN.
Watery Lane is only a temporary home and they are moving to new leased premises in Bescot soon, when the landlord has finished preparing the site.
they have 2 addresses
@Tony they have the Watery Lane address (as listed on Google Maps) then the legals on there vehicles state the depot is:
Carolean Coaches Ltd.
Bhandal Business Park
Heath Road
Darlaston WS10 8LP
But I've looked on Google and that Heath Road is quite a long road and have industrial units either side so I don't know what that depot is
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 15, 2024, 12:12:03 AMthey have 2 addresses @Tony they have the Watery Lane address (as listed on Google Maps) then the legals on there vehicles state the depot is:
Carolean Coaches Ltd.
Bhandal Business Park
Heath Road
Darlaston WS10 8LP
But I've looked on Google and that Heath Road is quite a long road and have industrial units either side so I don't know what that depot is
The Postcode alludes to an area from just before the The Green/Heath Road Junction with Bentley Road South where the 37 turns off and just before the Junction with Kendricks Road which many years ago is where James Bridge Copper Works used to be and will eventually lead down to the new train station. Most of that side has the old Charles Richards and Sons Factory from Bentley Road South to EMR Darlaston's Heath Road Entrance, there is a gap in the middle where the signs on Streetview say RB Forgings and there is a icon for George Dyke Limited which says Permanently closed looking at it there is Garage maybe there so it could be there behind the wall. The Opposite Side is a derelict Building, and then Industrial Units behind Trees, There is a Car auction opposite EMR further down and just after where the Postcode area ends is an area listed as Transport Yard this appears to be for Wagons. So If I had to guess it is just after the Charles Richards and Sons Factory and just before EMR on the left hand side if heading to Walsall the right handside if heading to Darlaston. The furthest back it goes is to the Walsall and Wolverhampton Line and there certainly is no evidence of a bus yard from Bentley Road South as EMR, a truck depot on the former Boat Pub site and the afformended Factory and railway block any views. Although the Yard would have a wall between it and the canal looking at Google Maps and Streetview
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 15, 2024, 12:12:03 AMthey have 2 addresses @Tony they have the Watery Lane address (as listed on Google Maps) then the legals on there vehicles state the depot is:
Carolean Coaches Ltd.
Bhandal Business Park
Heath Road
Darlaston WS10 8LP
But I've looked on Google and that Heath Road is quite a long road and have industrial units either side so I don't know what that depot is
The 'legals' address listed on the vehicle is just that, the legally registered company address of that bus operator.
It is not referring to any depot address. Look at any National Express bus, the address shown on the side is Mill Street, Digbeth, which is their head office at Birmingham coach station, not a depot.
Quote from: Stu on February 15, 2024, 07:58:46 PMThe 'legals' address listed on the vehicle is just that, the legally registered company address of that bus operator.
It is not referring to any depot address. Look at any National Express bus, the address shown on the side is Mill Street, Digbeth, which is their head office at Birmingham coach station, not a depot.
Correct. The Legal lettering for Midland Choice Travel was Liyell Limited, 32 High Street, Codnor, Derbyshire - imagine the dead mileage between there and the Mossley Estate!
Chatting to one of the local councillors today and there's much positivity around the new operator and the lengths that TfWM has gone to secure and to maintain service.
I'm hoping, along with many others, that the antisocial behaviour break lasts, though I'd be interested to see Carolean's response and continuity plans should anything happen.
Quote from: Wumpty on February 15, 2024, 09:02:03 PMChatting to one of the local councillors today and there's much positivity around the new operator and the lengths that TfWM has gone to secure and to maintain service.
I'm hoping, along with many others, that the antisocial behaviour break lasts, though I'd be interested to see Carolean's response and continuity plans should anything happen.
They [TfWM] clearly couldn't of been a fan of Chaserider because I'll bet that never happened to them, some drivers I've spoke too claim all Chaserider saw when they won 19 is pound signs not putting into account what the ex Arriva drivers had told them about the ASB on the route I said it before and I'll say it again, I just hope Carolean do well and manage to keep the route and it doesn't end up bouncing back to Chaserider
I have seen that Carolean coaches are now on bus times and their 3 enviro 200s have been added to their fleet list. However they have not tracked once since they took over the route. Do they still not have ticket machines yet. I will say I bet coalpool and Blakenall are loving life with this company at the moment. God help them when they get ticket machines and start charging people especially with the bus which does not have a cab screen fitted. You will find when they start charging they will that's where they will get trouble and windows starting to get smashed which will then unfortunately give them a hard time running with only 3 buses. Chaserider had 2 buses smashed at the same time if this happens to these they will struggle really bad. And if they have to rely on somone like PSV glass then they can be waiting days for new glass meaning only one bus will be operating and if that gets smashed. Shame really because coalpool and Blakenall will not be happy when they have to start paying on the route or get refused for not having a ticket.
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 19, 2024, 12:31:13 AMI have seen that Carolean coaches are now on bus times and their 3 enviro 200s have been added to their fleet list. However they have not tracked once since they took over the route. Do they still not have ticket machines yet. I will say I bet coalpool and Blakenall are loving life with this company at the moment. God help them when they get ticket machines and start charging people especially with the bus which does not have a cab screen fitted. You will find when they start charging they will that's where they will get trouble and windows starting to get smashed which will then unfortunately give them a hard time running with only 3 buses. Chaserider had 2 buses smashed at the same time if this happens to these they will struggle really bad. And if they have to rely on somone like PSV glass then they can be waiting days for new glass meaning only one bus will be operating and if that gets smashed. Shame really because coalpool and Blakenall will not be happy when they have to start paying on the route or get refused for not having a ticket.
Not charging?
They must be collecting fares somehow, else we would've heard already about 'free' buses on the route!
Given the short notice nature of things the likelihood would be that ticket machines are still on order and being dealt with.
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 19, 2024, 12:31:13 AMI have seen that Carolean coaches are now on bus times and their 3 enviro 200s have been added to their fleet list. However they have not tracked once since they took over the route. Do they still not have ticket machines yet. I will say I bet coalpool and Blakenall are loving life with this company at the moment. God help them when they get ticket machines and start charging people especially with the bus which does not have a cab screen fitted. You will find when they start charging they will that's where they will get trouble and windows starting to get smashed which will then unfortunately give them a hard time running with only 3 buses. Chaserider had 2 buses smashed at the same time if this happens to these they will struggle really bad. And if they have to rely on somone like PSV glass then they can be waiting days for new glass meaning only one bus will be operating and if that gets smashed. Shame really because coalpool and Blakenall will not be happy when they have to start paying on the route or get refused for not having a ticket.
You do realise NX charged and had no trouble at all, Arriva and Igo at ran one point ran it with no Trouble Charging for fares, Igo I don't think had Assault Screens, Arriva some buses did some didn't, and even NX on the 29 who have Assault Screens still get ASB, Assault Screens or lack of don't do much to prevent people refusing to pay fares. If anything it just means people either spit at it or bang it with there fists. There is a video on YouTube I think on the 8A/8C of a man threatening an NX Driver demanding him to Come on Outside pounding his Fists on the Assault Screen, Yes had it not been there he probably could have assaulted the Driver. But he could have anyway by spitting. If the Spit goes through the little Holes and it is intentional that is Assault.
Presumably Carolean have some form of Payment otherwise they are Operating at a loss right now and TFWM wouldn't be happy. Presumably they might be using the old Ticket Machines that came with the bus that aren't Tracking as they are still linked to Vision Bus and Panther Travel's feeds as no has linked the database to the West Midlands not really sure how it works Tony or BN or one of the Several Drivers on here might know how it works. Maybe they are just taking Payment and letting Cards on without printing Tickets and scanning passes, I assume the same few Drivers If not the same two drive it they will know the regulars and know who usually does a return trip. Smaller Operators tend to know there regulars, Thandi knew there's, Sandwell Travel did to for example. I used to get the Sandwell Travel 333X before NX ran the 37 to visit a relative in Willenhall every week and the Driver knew my ticket and stop without me even asking for it. I just paid the fare. So Carolean assumingly have something like that. I got told once Thandi had Ticket machine issues and a mate of mine who caught the 37 every day used to pay on his morning bus never got a ticket but the drivers coming back knew he usually had a Return and let him on, he did initially pay on the way back before the driver told him no need we know you usually get a return. If it was NX or someone without Ticket Machines then yeah it would harder but, smaller firms are different they usual have the same Drivers who get to know regulars.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 19, 2024, 11:01:03 AMYou do realise NX charged and had no trouble at all, Arriva and Igo at ran one point ran it with no Trouble Charging for fares, Igo I don't think had Assault Screens, Arriva some buses did some didn't, and even NX on the 29 who have Assault Screens still get ASB, Assault Screens or lack of don't do much to prevent people refusing to pay fares. If anything it just means people either spit at it or bang it with there fists. There is a video on YouTube I think on the 8A/8C of a man threatening an NX Driver demanding him to Come on Outside pounding his Fists on the Assault Screen, Yes had it not been there he probably could have assaulted the Driver. But he could have anyway by spitting. If the Spit goes through the little Holes and it is intentional that is Assault.
Presumably Carolean have some form of Payment otherwise they are Operating at a loss right now and TFWM wouldn't be happy. Presumably they might be using the old Ticket Machines that came with the bus that aren't Tracking as they are still linked to Vision Bus and Panther Travel's feeds as no has linked the database to the West Midlands not really sure how it works Tony or BN or one of the Several Drivers on here might know how it works. Maybe they are just taking Payment and letting Cards on without printing Tickets and scanning passes, I assume the same few Drivers If not the same two drive it they will know the regulars and know who usually does a return trip. Smaller Operators tend to know there regulars, Thandi knew there's, Sandwell Travel did to for example. I used to get the Sandwell Travel 333X before NX ran the 37 to visit a relative in Willenhall every week and the Driver knew my ticket and stop without me even asking for it. I just paid the fare. So Carolean assumingly have something like that. I got told once Thandi had Ticket machine issues and a mate of mine who caught the 37 every day used to pay on his morning bus never got a ticket but the drivers coming back knew he usually had a Return and let him on, he did initially pay on the way back before the driver told him no need we know you usually get a return. If it was NX or someone without Ticket Machines then yeah it would harder but, smaller firms are different they usual have the same Drivers who get to know regulars.
Nx did have a few issues on the route, and yeah they charged but what I'm trying to say is when Carolean start charging there is going to be conflict between drivers and passengers because drivers will say scan your pass for me then passengers will go well you haven't charged me for X amount of time why are you charging us now.
Arriva also had trouble on the route because Chaserider which was a ex arriva company, some of the drivers who stayed on at Cannock onto Chaserider said it's a bad idea going in for the 19. One driver said it was really bad they went around and because he said to one passenger where is your ticket they got off and bus not long after had windows smashed.
Assault screens yes don't prevent people from not paying but it protects the driver from being assaulted. The amount of times I've seen people punch them assult screens imagine if that wasn't there, they would be hitting the driver. All Chaserider said if we run the 19 we want screens or we aren't driving it which I don't blame them.
I don't think Carolean are running at a loss as such at the moment, because they are getting the money from TFWM for running the tender service. However I would assume TFWM being as they don't have ticket machines are keeping a close eye on the service in Walsall and maybe have people along the route checking possibly to see if it's running as they don't have tracking data for them.
No they won't be using old ticket machines, the ticket machines that was in the bus belong to vision bus when the bus was sold it would not be included with a ticket machine that's something the company have to deal with themselves. They are currently running with no ticket machines other people have been saying it too.
It's fine them letting them on without a ticket but what about when they want a daysaver which is now a Nbus. I don't think they are charging at the moment.
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 19, 2024, 11:14:53 AMNx did have a few issues on the route, and yeah they charged but what I'm trying to say is when Carolean start charging there is going to be conflict between drivers and passengers because drivers will say scan your pass for me then passengers will go well you haven't charged me for X amount of time why are you charging us now.
Arriva also had trouble on the route because Chaserider which was a ex arriva company, some of the drivers who stayed on at Cannock onto Chaserider said it's a bad idea going in for the 19. One driver said it was really bad they went around and because he said to one passenger where is your ticket they got off and bus not long after had windows smashed.
Assault screens yes don't prevent people from not paying but it protects the driver from being assaulted. The amount of times I've seen people punch them assult screens imagine if that wasn't there, they would be hitting the driver. All Chaserider said if we run the 19 we want screens or we aren't driving it which I don't blame them.
I don't think Carolean are running at a loss as such at the moment, because they are getting the money from TFWM for running the tender service. However I would assume TFWM being as they don't have ticket machines are keeping a close eye on the service in Walsall and maybe have people along the route checking possibly to see if it's running as they don't have tracking data for them.
No they won't be using old ticket machines, the ticket machines that was in the bus belong to vision bus when the bus was sold it would not be included with a ticket machine that's something the company have to deal with themselves. They are currently running with no ticket machines other people have been saying it too.
It's fine them letting them on without a ticket but what about when they want a daysaver which is now a Nbus. I don't think they are charging at the moment.
As Westy Said they have to be Charging otherwise it would be in the news or local pages that it was free. They might take payment as they know regulars. Those who want a daysaver will get on there next bus. For example once I boarded a 79 in Darlaston The Driver saw I had cash in my hand so I was unable to get a dayticket so I got it on my next bus. If a 19 passenger gets the 19 to Walsall to get the NX 529 they will just get the Dayticket on there.
AS09 PAN is out on the 19 this morning.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 21, 2024, 08:28:59 AMAS09 PAN is out on the 19 this morning.
Looks Very Smart does it have an assault Screen or not and are the Seats those Rock hard Urban 90's that feel like your sitting on the road you can feel every single bump.
According to Tfwm site, Service 19 timetable extended hours of operation from tomorrow!
Quote from: Westy on February 24, 2024, 11:08:37 PMAccording to Tfwm site, Service 19 timetable extended hours of operation from tomorrow!
I know the plan was that the withdrawn journeys would be reinstalled if the antisocial behaviour could be dealt with. Let's see how things go.
The driver let someone who wanted to purchase an nbus ticket on for free, so essentially the 19 is a free service atm if you ask for an nbus, I do question how long they've got to get ticket machines before TfWM start questioning it.
Quote from: B7RLE on February 27, 2024, 02:40:06 PMThe driver let someone who wanted to purchase an nbus ticket on for free, so essentially the 19 is a free service atm if you ask for an nbus, I do question how long they've got to get ticket machines before TfWM start questioning it.
Possibly a backlog from Ticketer (if that's their supplier). Having said that, I know Rotala were selling some Used machines a while back.
Quote from: B7RLE on February 27, 2024, 02:40:06 PMThe driver let someone who wanted to purchase an nbus ticket on for free, so essentially the 19 is a free service atm if you ask for an nbus, I do question how long they've got to get ticket machines before TfWM start questioning it.
Not easy to get immediately but do not concern yourself, they will get them. Just good to see they are getting on with the job in a professional way
Quote from: B7RLE on February 27, 2024, 02:40:06 PMThe driver let someone who wanted to purchase an nbus ticket on for free, so essentially the 19 is a free service atm if you ask for an nbus, I do question how long they've got to get ticket machines before TfWM start questioning it.
They probably got there Nbus on the next service they caught
Quote from: igogeneral on February 27, 2024, 03:33:53 PMNot easy to get immediately but do not concern yourself, they will get them. Just good to see they are getting on with the job in a professional way
Absolutely
@igogeneral - and THAT is what TfWM will focus on. In the grand scheme of things, the loss of fares or a quasi-free service is the least of their worries.
Quote from: Wumpty on February 28, 2024, 06:47:36 AMAbsolutely @igogeneral - and THAT is what TfWM will focus on. In the grand scheme of things, the loss of fares or a quasi-free service is the least of their worries.
I don't wish to knit pick but at least give them there fair dos Chaserider were at least organised when they took over operating the 19; they had ticket machines and printed timetables; admittedly they didn't necessarily have the route programmed into the blinds straight away but that's about the only thing they didn't do
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 28, 2024, 01:09:31 PMI don't wish to knit pick but at least give them there fair dos Chaserider were at least organised when they took over operating the 19; they had ticket machines and printed timetables; admittedly they didn't necessarily have the route programmed into the blinds straight away but that's about the only thing they didn't do
I don't wish to nit pick either, but Carolean have picked up a contract at short notice to maintain a service that Chaserider handed back. They got buses in at short notice to maintain a service that Chaserider handed back. They've provided TfWM with an emergency option were there were very few other operators prepared to run the service, that Chaserider handed back.
We know the reasons why Chaserider handed it back, but give Carolean their dues - they've stepped in and got the job done to maintain a subsidised, socially-necessary service. TfWM set the timetables so there's plenty of options to view the timetable online, paper copies available, and even available in braille on request (I don't think operators are obliged to provide timetables).
Passengers want the bus to turn up, drop them off and do it as safely as possible........after all that BS.
Let's get behind them and give credit for what they ARE doing.
Quote from: Wumpty on February 28, 2024, 01:28:20 PMI don't wish to nit pick either, but Carolean have picked up a contract at short notice to maintain a service that Chaserider handed back. They got buses in at short notice to maintain a service that Chaserider handed back. They've provided TfWM with an emergency option were there were very few other operators prepared to run the service, that Chaserider handed back.
We know the reasons why Chaserider handed it back, but give Carolean their dues - they've stepped in and got the job done to maintain a subsidised, socially-necessary service. TfWM set the timetables so there's plenty of options to view the timetable online, paper copies available, and even available in braille on request (I don't think operators are obliged to provide timetables).
Passengers want the bus to turn up, drop them off and do it as safely as possible........after all that BS.
Let's get behind them and give credit for what they ARE doing.
And Chaserider already had Ticket Machines as they had been operating for longer than Carolean, Carolean have sourced 3 buses 2 for use, 1 spare, Persumabably 2 or 3 Drivers if not including the Owner if he can drive, got some Graphics and Legals on there Bus, Provided a timetable, route trained the Drivers if they didn't already know the route, have a uniform sorted and a depot/secure land for storage. Chaserider in comparison had all of those things And had longer to prepare. Ticket machines will presumably be on a long waiting list due to the requirement of all buses needed to track. I highly doubt the Service is free as some people have said it is probably if they are getting the bus to Walsall and Back say, the Drivers know the Passenger takes Payment for a return, then say later the next Driver knows this person has paid in the morning and let's them on. As for Nbus tickets Passengers can get them on the next bus they get. Sometimes you can't get a ticket on an NX bus either Ticket Machine has frozen, the Cash Vault is jammed, the Ticket Printer is stuck or ran out of tickets, but you can get on the next service. It isn't a big issue, TFWM will presumably be aware Carolean don't have tickets and know they are probably sorting it
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 28, 2024, 03:15:17 PMthe Drivers know the Passenger takes Payment for a return, then say later the next Driver knows this person has paid in the morning and let's them on.
I very much doubt that. If they aren't issuing tickets, how would the relief driver be expected to know who has or hasn't paid in the morning.
Without the machines surely they can't take contactless payments as well.
And its also not imposssible someone wanted to travel on 3 separate 19s in one day where a daysaver presumably becomes cheaper than the £2 cash single.
Quote from: 2206 on February 28, 2024, 03:36:41 PMI very much doubt that. If they aren't issuing tickets, how would the relief driver be expected to know who has or hasn't paid in the morning.
Without the machines surely they can't take contactless payments as well.
And its also not imposssible someone wanted to travel on 3 separate 19s in one day where a daysaver presumably becomes cheaper than the £2 cash single.
At smaller firms Drivers tend to communicate with each other and all the 19 passengers are probably regulars. Like I said it can't be free it would be publisied but As the E&S and Brum Mail haven't reported it Carolean taking it over I assume they won't bother reporting on a free bus service
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 28, 2024, 07:50:56 PMAt smaller firms Drivers tend to communicate with each other and all the 19 passengers are probably regulars. Like I said it can't be free it would be publisied but As the E&S and Brum Mail haven't reported it Carolean taking it over I assume they won't bother reporting on a free bus service
No, it's not a 'free bus service'.
I would imagine that most of the passengers who use this service are pass-holders anyway (concessionary or otherwise).
Even in the absence of a Ticketer, they can still accept cash for single journeys surely.
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2024, 08:08:45 PMNo, it's not a 'free bus service'.
I would imagine that most of the passengers who use this service are pass-holders anyway (concessionary or otherwise).
Even in the absence of a Ticketer, they can still accept cash for single journeys surely.
Had anybody been on there service or are people just guessing sat at home watching vegweb
Quote from: karl724223 on February 28, 2024, 08:40:25 PMHad anybody been on there service or are people just guessing sat at home watching vegweb
@karl724223 – yes I travelled on it a couple of weeks ago, BUT I genuinely didn't notice whether or not the driver was taking fares or not but off the top of my head I don't believe he was
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2024, 08:08:45 PMNo, it's not a 'free bus service'.
I would imagine that most of the passengers who use this service are pass-holders anyway (concessionary or otherwise).
Even in the absence of a Ticketer, they can still accept cash for single journeys surely.
I wasn't paying too much attention so I could be wrong but I don't remember seeing a single person pay on Tuesday when I rode the 19
Quote from: Stu on February 28, 2024, 08:08:45 PMNo, it's not a 'free bus service'.
I would imagine that most of the passengers who use this service are pass-holders anyway (concessionary or otherwise).
Even in the absence of a Ticketer, they can still accept cash for single journeys surely.
That's what I am saying I don't think if it is free if it was it would be reported in the local press although given Carolean wasn't mentioned to be taking over the 19 I doubt they would bother now reporting it
Quote from: karl724223 on February 28, 2024, 08:40:25 PMHad anybody been on there service or are people just guessing sat at home watching vegweb
ive been on the service before, ive also been in walsall when the 19 was loading up and the driver was just waving everyone on board. not even checking if they had a ticket or inteded on buying a ticket. this is why i think there is going to be friction when they start charging.
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 29, 2024, 04:27:44 PMive been on the service before, ive also been in walsall when the 19 was loading up and the driver was just waving everyone on board. not even checking if they had a ticket or inteded on buying a ticket. this is why i think there is going to be friction when they start charging.
Could put a positive spin on it. Special introductory offer, to attract passengers.
Quote from: MW on February 29, 2024, 05:14:27 PMCould put a positive spin on it. Special introductory offer, to attract passengers.
yeah maybe, but some of the kids on the route are horrible, get asked to pay they will smash the windows on the buses or worse just punch the driver as not all their buses have assult screens fitted.
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 29, 2024, 05:26:01 PMyeah maybe, but some of the kids on the route are horrible, get asked to pay they will smash the windows on the buses or worse just punch the driver as not all their buses have assult screens fitted.
From reports elsewhere, looks like they're concentrating on the 29 at the moment!
Quote from: Westy on February 29, 2024, 08:58:18 PMFrom reports elsewhere, looks like they're concentrating on the 29 at the moment!
Maybe Carolean have reached out to the ringleader... 👀
No, I'm just speculating.
Have any of their vehicles been attacked?
Quote from: MW on February 29, 2024, 09:51:49 PMMaybe Carolean have reached out to the ringleader... 👀
No, I'm just speculating.
Have any of their vehicles been attacked?
Unless anyone else knows, no reports.
At the moment, I'm putting it down to the nights gradually getting longer.
(Unless you're down Slacky Lane, then you have the cover of the canal bridge!)
Quote from: MW on February 29, 2024, 09:51:49 PMMaybe Carolean have reached out to the ringleader... 👀
No, I'm just speculating.
Have any of their vehicles been attacked?
Doesn't seem to be the case, before the 29 diverted the other night Blakenall had quietened down with it's ASB. Maybe when Carolean increase the Service back to nights although they have reinstated services after the original curfew of about 3PM it might happen when say the service runs to 6/7PM as that's usually when the 29 gets attacked
Noticed on Saturday that Carolean buses finally have Ticketer ETMs. However there was a piece of paper over the display above the scanner which if I had to guess probably said that the machines weren't working yet.
Carolean have a new depot in bescot now, I seen some of their buses and coaches parked there the other day. However buses still have legals as Darlaston. They have a new enviro 200 from vision bus on Friday I seen it still with vision bus logos on and their legals on. Reg is (YY64 GWC) this had paper blinds and paper legals with their new bescot legals.
QuoteCarolean have a new depot in bescot now, I seen some of their buses and coaches parked there the other day. However buses still have legals as Darlaston. They have a new enviro 200 from vision bus on Friday I seen it still with vision bus logos on and their legals on. Reg is (YY64 GWC) this had paper blinds and paper legals with their new bescot legals.
An ex igo bus back in the West Midlands!
Quote from: Wba_lad on April 01, 2024, 07:53:09 PMCarolean have a new depot in bescot now, I seen some of their buses and coaches parked there the other day. However buses still have legals as Darlaston. They have a new enviro 200 from vision bus on Friday I seen it still with vision bus logos on and their legals on. Reg is (YY64 GWC) this had paper blinds and paper legals with their new bescot legals.
Just seen it in Walsall. Still has Vision Bus logos on, but blinds are working.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 02, 2024, 08:09:08 AMJust seen it in Walsall. Still has Vision Bus logos on, but blinds are working.
Yeah blinds are working now and the legals on the paper are printed now on Friday they was hand written.
Carolean are now tracking on Bustimes.
Appears they have a new bus ex Vision bus YY64GWA saw it Saturday on the 19 it is Fleet Number 6. Could be Ex Igo to maybe
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on May 06, 2024, 12:50:21 PMAppears they have a new bus ex Vision bus YY64GWA saw it Saturday on the 19 it is Fleet Number 6. Could be Ex Igo to maybe
Yes it was once operated by igo
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on May 06, 2024, 12:50:21 PMAppears they have a new bus ex Vision bus YY64GWA saw it Saturday on the 19 it is Fleet Number 6. Could be Ex Igo to maybe
I don't know where fleet number 6 has come from when they don't even have a fleet number 5 yet 😂.
Also does anyone know what's happened to fleet number 1 it hasent been out for a while well ever since they got ticket machines.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on May 06, 2024, 04:27:34 PMYes it was once operated by igo
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on May 06, 2024, 12:50:21 PMAppears they have a new bus ex Vision bus YY64GWA saw it Saturday on the 19 it is Fleet Number 6. Could be Ex Igo to maybe
Pic on flicr on it