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Started by cardew, March 06, 2020, 10:22:11 AM

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cardew

Abandoned in favour of road improvements and electric buses according to RouteOne

https://www.route-one.net/environment/coventry-clean-air-zone-is-abandoned/

ellspurs

Quote from: cardew on March 06, 2020, 10:22:11 AM
Abandoned in favour of road improvements and electric buses according to RouteOne

https://www.route-one.net/environment/coventry-clean-air-zone-is-abandoned/

QuoteHowever, CCC says it "is absolutely vital" that air quality in the city is addressed.

It plans to do that via measures including highways engineering, improved traffic management and the introduction of electric buses on Foleshill Road.

That would be highly suggesting that the electric buses will be going on the 20 (if they mean the NXC ones). Or the 3/3A (for the short period that it is on Foleshill Road).

winston

Quote from: ellspurs on March 06, 2020, 05:08:09 PM
That would be highly suggesting that the electric buses will be going on the 20 (if they mean the NXC ones). Or the 3/3A (for the short period that it is on Foleshill Road).

It's already been confirmed that the Electrics cannot go on the 20 due to a low bridge (20 is single decker operated)

ellspurs

Quote from: Winston on March 06, 2020, 05:11:14 PM
It's already been confirmed that the Electrics cannot go on the 20 due to a low bridge (20 is single decker operated)

The only part of the 20 route that cannot be operated by a decker is the Woodshires Road section on the 20B. This route used to terminate at Oban Road, circle around and go back up Oban Road to Bedworth Road, omitting Woodshires Road/Wilsons Lane. When it did that, the route was operated by deckers. There's no other low bridge on the 20/20A/20B/20C part of the route.

If that isn't the route that will be receiving the deckers, then either Stagecoach are introducing electrics on the 48/55/56, they're going on the 3/3A (which seems to be a weird promotion for "getting electrics on Foleshill Road) or there's going to be another route change coming up.


winston

Quote from: ellspurs on March 06, 2020, 05:20:50 PM
The only part of the 20 route that cannot be operated by a decker is the Woodshires Road section on the 20B. This route used to terminate at Oban Road, circle around and go back up Oban Road to Bedworth Road, omitting Woodshires Road/Wilsons Lane. When it did that, the route was operated by deckers. There's no other low bridge on the 20/20A/20B/20C part of the route.

If that isn't the route that will be receiving the deckers, then either Stagecoach are introducing electrics on the 48/55/56, they're going on the 3/3A (which seems to be a weird promotion for "getting electrics on Foleshill Road) or there's going to be another route change coming up.

Maybe the 20's are interworked, not that familar with NXC routes. But that's what's been said in the electric buses thread

ellspurs

Quote from: Winston on March 06, 2020, 05:23:24 PM
Maybe the 20's are interworked, not that familar with NXC routes. But that's what's been said in the electric buses thread

Looking at the timetable, it looks like the 20A/20B/20C interwork (the 20 is listed on a separate timetable on the NX website).

Perhaps just electrics for the 20? But the PVR on that will be more than 10, as it runs every 10 minutes to Bedworth/20 minutes to Nuneaton.

I'm somewhat interested on what they'll end up on.

Tony

Quote from: ellspurs on March 06, 2020, 05:34:43 PM
Looking at the timetable, it looks like the 20A/20B/20C interwork (the 20 is listed on a separate timetable on the NX website).

Perhaps just electrics for the 20? But the PVR on that will be more than 10, as it runs every 10 minutes to Bedworth/20 minutes to Nuneaton.

I'm somewhat interested on what they'll end up on.

I've already said they are not for the 20

paulb1973

Quote from: Winston on March 06, 2020, 05:23:24 PM
Maybe the 20's are interworked, not that familar with NXC routes. But that's what's been said in the electric buses thread

I assume that is the case - and the interworking of services prevents double deck workings. The 3/3A only operates on Foleshill Rd between Eagle Street and Lockhurst Lane, so not much of it really, while the 5 operates on the section between the Arena Park Bus station entrance and Lythalls Lane (some journeys run short to Burnaby Rd) - so not much more distance wise [although a different part of the road].

Busboy105

Quote from: paulb1973 on March 06, 2020, 05:39:38 PM
I assume that is the case - and the interworking of services prevents double deck workings. The 3/3A only operates on Foleshill Rd between Eagle Street and Lockhurst Lane, so not much of it really, while the 5 operates on the section between the Arena Park Bus station entrance and Lythalls Lane (some journeys run short to Burnaby Rd) - so not much more distance wise [although a different part of the road].
They could go on the 4. Goes between Arena Park and University Hospital; two major bus areas in Coventry. Or they could just go with the obvious choice and pick the 11/11U/12X.

Sandy Lane

Quote from: cardew on March 06, 2020, 10:22:11 AM
Abandoned in favour of road improvements and electric buses according to RouteOne

https://www.route-one.net/environment/coventry-clean-air-zone-is-abandoned/
Council is playing big game politics with government in London and hell bent on avoiding congestion charging. They have been given a second chance to submit a revised plan for approval.

A good place for choking vehicle pollution is Ball Hill. The plan to reduce pollution there is simply by insetting the out of town bus stop. The bus stop change has been completed and I reckon it has made diddly squat difference to the traffic queue and high pollution. The problem is there are too many cars using the road and a pedestrain crossing plus Clay Lane traffic lights. I will be surprised if those in London approve this change. Even if electric buses are put on the polluting cars will still be there.

paulb1973

Quote from: Busboy105 on March 06, 2020, 06:10:04 PM
They could go on the 4. Goes between Arena Park and University Hospital; two major bus areas in Coventry. Or they could just go with the obvious choice and pick the 11/11U/12X.

The 4 runs: Tile Hill – Canley - City (Pool Meadow) – Hillfields - Ball Hill - Stoke Hill - Wyken - University Hospital (the associated 4A is: City, Pool Meadow – Westwood Business Park via Hearsall Common).

Busboy105

Quote from: paulb1973 on March 06, 2020, 06:54:32 PM
The 4 runs: Tile Hill – Canley - City (Pool Meadow) – Hillfields - Ball Hill - Stoke Hill - Wyken - University Hospital (the associated 4A is: City, Pool Meadow – Westwood Business Park via Hearsall Common).
Ah yes I forgot it changed in the recent Coventry changes.

Trident 4609

E020-29 are for the 9/9A supposedly.

JoNi

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Quote from: Sandy Lane on March 06, 2020, 06:19:52 PM
Council is playing big game politics with government in London and hell bent on avoiding congestion charging. They have been given a second chance to submit a revised plan for approval.

A good place for choking vehicle pollution is Ball Hill. The plan to reduce pollution there is simply by insetting the out of town bus stop. The bus stop change has been completed and I reckon it has made diddly squat difference to the traffic queue and high pollution. The problem is there are too many cars using the road and a pedestrain crossing plus Clay Lane traffic lights. I will be surprised if those in London approve this change. Even if electric buses are put on the polluting cars will still be there.

If you think traffic is bad on Ball Hill just wait until Very Light Rail route to University Hospital currently proposed to run every three minutes in each direction. Hard luck if you use Clay Lane because there wont be time for you to get out.
Mind you a 44xx Trident caused a cloud that would have made a Leyland Natiinal proud last week!

Sandy Lane

Quote from: JoNi on March 08, 2020, 03:12:52 AM
If you think traffic is bad on Ball Hill just wait until Very Light Rail route to University Hospital currently proposed to run every three minutes in each direction. Hard luck if you use Clay Lane because there wont be time for you to get out.
Mind you a 44xx Trident caused a cloud that would have made a Leyland Natiinal proud last week!
Good point. Wonder if the council pollution ideas will get approval from London?

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