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[winston]

AG have no tridents and infact All but 1 trident (4135) are ZF. Don't forget WN have the majority of the same batch. WN have 4535-4609 and BC have 4610-34. So transfering them to WN will replace Spectras and will keep the same batch together.

Where's the benefit in moving any 4610-34? BC would lose its next youngest double deckers some of which have been re-engined. It's the concentration of Y-reg Tridents that needs dispersing around other garages to reduce the average age at BC

That would also leave WN with a fleet of 75-100 53/04/54 reg Tridents,

[Trident 4609]

AG have no tridents and infact All but 1 trident (4135) are ZF. Don't forget WN have the majority of the same batch. WN have 4535-4609 and BC have 4610-34. So transfering them to WN will replace Spectras and will keep the same batch together.

some of 4535-609 are voith

Completley forgot (I usually never forget). Of course 4565-84 are voith.

[Trident 4609]

Well i think Wolverhampton will get Cascaded tridents wheter its Y reg or 54 plate to replace Spectras at WN although i think Spectrad are staying till Early 2014 at the earliest.

Maybe PE could have some Y reg tridents to increase the amoumt of double decker sthere so routes like 120/140/241/246 etc can get some deckers which are needed.

[Mike K]

AG have no tridents and infact All but 1 trident (4135) are ZF. Don't forget WN have the majority of the same batch. WN have 4535-4609 and BC have 4610-34. So transfering them to WN will replace Spectras and will keep the same batch together.

Where's the benefit in moving any 4610-34? BC would lose its next youngest double deckers some of which have been re-engined. It's the concentration of Y-reg Tridents that needs dispersing around other garages to reduce the average age at BC

That would also leave WN with a fleet of 75-100 53/04/54 reg Tridents,

Agreed. A third of BC's fleet is Y reg Tridents, many of which have seen better days. I would have thought it would be some of these that are displaced by new E400s.

[Trident 4609]

Either way WN will probably have tridents cascaded from BC.

[winston]

Well i think Wolverhampton will get Cascaded tridents wheter its Y reg or 54 plate to replace Spectras at WN although i think Spectrad are staying till Early 2014 at the earliest.

Maybe PE could have some Y reg tridents to increase the amoumt of double decker sthere so routes like 120/140/241/246 etc can get some deckers which are needed.

The Spectra's have got until end of 31/12/2016 at the very latest as they are non DDA complaint, it largely depends on how much it is costing to keep them on the road due to their reliability issues.

In the interim at least ridding the fleet of non DDA complaint single deckers is top priority and there is still scope to convert busy single decker routes back to double deck operation to increase capacity, all of the PE routes  you mention fall in to that bracket.....

[Trident 4609]

Well the routes i menton as you say do get busy especially at peak time so i think PE could take some tridents on.

Only time will tell and we will have to see what happens. We haven't even had a confirmation (you can't even garantee that Caption on Flickr is accurate) about where the E400 are going although there is a very great chance they are bound for BC and PB

[nitromatt1]

AG have no tridents and infact All but 1 trident (4135) are ZF. Don't forget WN have the majority of the same batch. WN have 4535-4609 and BC have 4610-34. So transfering them to WN will replace Spectras and will keep the same batch together.

some of 4535-609 are voith

Completley forgot (I usually never forget). Of course 4565-84 are voith.

Wow well done Nath ;D ;D

[Gareth]

Do the Spectras really have 'reliability issues'? Or is it because the fleet of 20 (currently) is a lot smaller, so breakdowns are far more noticeable? I've seen far more Tridents on the back of Mansfield wagons than Spectras.

[winston]

Do the Spectras really have 'reliability issues'? Or is it because the fleet of 20 (currently) is a lot smaller, so breakdowns are far more noticeable? I've seen far more Tridents on the back of Mansfield wagons than Spectras.

Rightly or wrongly, I was under the impression that they are prone to electrical problems rather than engine problems

[Valandil]

Do the Spectras really have 'reliability issues'? Or is it because the fleet of 20 (currently) is a lot smaller, so breakdowns are far more noticeable? I've seen far more Tridents on the back of Mansfield wagons than Spectras.

If the proportion of vehicle breakdowns were independent of type, wouldn't you'd expect fewer Spectra breakdowns because there are fewer of them?

[6013]

I guess 54 reg could stay in BC garage and Replace the Trident Y going to Yarlwood garage for replace President and President can going to NX Dundee.

[winston]

I guess 54 reg could stay in BC garage and Replace the Trident Y going to Yarlwood garage for replace President and President can going to NX Dundee.

NX Dundee could probably take more Presidents to replace older non DDA single deckers, but so could some NXWM garages

[Trident 4609]

Do the Spectras really have 'reliability issues'? Or is it because the fleet of 20 (currently) is a lot smaller, so breakdowns are far more noticeable? I've seen far more Tridents on the back of Mansfield wagons than Spectras.

Well you find more Spectra breakdowns on the 59 than tridents! To be honest they seem more reliable than people think although they take forever to pull out at red lights/Junctions.

[nitromatt1]

Do the Spectras really have 'reliability issues'? Or is it because the fleet of 20 (currently) is a lot smaller, so breakdowns are far more noticeable? I've seen far more Tridents on the back of Mansfield wagons than Spectras.

Well you find more Spectra breakdowns on the 59 than tridents! To be honest they seem more reliable than people think although they take forever to pull out at red lights/Junctions.

I hope you mean green lights ;)