Just showed my wife, who has absolutely no interest in buses, the images of the new MMC's and her first comment was.... Oh are Midland Red making a comeback?.... I must admit I do see a slight throwback to 1974 - all red buses on the Hagley Rd with the word 'Midland'' on the side. I wonder if the powers that be have noticed the inevitable resemblance to the uninitiated.
Never mind in a couple of years perhaps they'll bring back cream and blue... Hurraahh!
Quote from: NXDom on March 07, 2015, 04:58:37 PM
I've been told today by an inspector that the 9 is recieving green branding. Any truth?
Hope it's not green. Haven't NX heard the saying 'red and green should never be seen'. Would be a terrible clash with the new livery!
Quote from: RW on March 07, 2015, 06:35:32 PM
Quote from: NXDom on March 07, 2015, 04:58:37 PM
I've been told today by an inspector that the 9 is recieving green branding. Any truth?
Hope it's not green. Haven't NX heard the saying 'red and green should never be seen'. Would be a terrible clash with the new livery!
I agree but a royal blue with silver text would look good with the Reds and creamy gold yellow.
Quote from: RW on March 07, 2015, 06:35:32 PM
Quote from: NXDom on March 07, 2015, 04:58:37 PM
I've been told today by an inspector that the 9 is recieving green branding. Any truth?
Hope it's not green. Haven't NX heard the saying 'red and green should never be seen'. Would be a terrible clash with the new livery!
Personally, red and green* would just look too 'festive' for me. I'd hate to be another to say it, but bring more blue branding, or black (if faded to darker grey) would be a much more 'elegant' approach for the 9 in my perspective. (I'm thinking Royale Black Diamond, y'know?)
*EDIT: Not to mention the gold, as well. Also, I notice a T-Side advert on the right-side of the buses. Would it mean that the branding would have to be asymmetrical, like the 97 branding on the tridents - that is, if these are to be branded, which I think was confirmed by
@Tony, by a small degree... (Not my photos;
@nxwmbusfan1999 (?) had already posted a link.)
7 have already been delivered, yes?
6101: https://www.flickr.com/photos/45168281@N05/16547307458/
6102: https://www.flickr.com/photos/45168281@N05/16547454390/
6103: https://www.flickr.com/photos/45168281@N05/16548760409/
6104: https://www.flickr.com/photos/45168281@N05/16114907133/
6106: https://www.flickr.com/photos/45168281@N05/16114907923/
Some pictures off twitter;
https://twitter.com/MrSmiley1988
Quote from: bususer12 on March 07, 2015, 07:37:37 PM
Some pictures off twitter;
https://twitter.com/MrSmiley1988
They look smart.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on March 07, 2015, 07:45:13 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on March 07, 2015, 07:37:37 PM
Some pictures off twitter;
https://twitter.com/MrSmiley1988
They look smart.
And with Pensnett's new bus-wash, I'd expect them to stay looking smart, eh?
Quote from: Matt on March 07, 2015, 08:09:49 PM
I expect a picture of the new branding will be appearing on here very soon
Yes! - takes longer to get it on my website than facebook!
Seen a picture, what Have they done? It looks cartoonified, although I spotted it's now every 7 mins not every 8mins, does this meAn they need extra bus?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 07, 2015, 08:24:50 PM
Seen a picture, what Have they done? It looks cartoonified, although I spotted it's now every 7 mins not every 8mins, does this meAn they need extra bus?
The current timetable has journeys every 7 to 8 minutes during the day, so it's correct to say that they run up to every 7 minutes.
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2015, 08:16:16 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 07, 2015, 08:09:49 PM
I expect a picture of the new branding will be appearing on here very soon
Yes! - takes longer to get it on my website than facebook!
Here it is along with the nearside photo that isn't on Facebook
(Rhys why copy my photo off Facebook and put it on my website forum! - that is why I deleted it)
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2015, 08:36:57 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2015, 08:16:16 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 07, 2015, 08:09:49 PM
I expect a picture of the new branding will be appearing on here very soon
Yes! - takes longer to get it on my website than facebook!
Here it is along with the nearside photo that isn't on Facebook
(Rhys why copy my photo off Facebook and put it on my website forum! - that is why I deleted it)
Nice photo not nit picking but should it say 03/15 not 03/05 like the branding though?
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2015, 08:36:57 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2015, 08:16:16 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 07, 2015, 08:09:49 PM
I expect a picture of the new branding will be appearing on here very soon
Yes! - takes longer to get it on my website than facebook!
Here it is along with the nearside photo that isn't on Facebook
(Rhys why copy my photo off Facebook and put it on my website forum! - that is why I deleted it)
LOL.. Get your own photo's Rhys.😂
All good sorry.
Has it got the grey dot seating?
Quote from: NXDom on March 07, 2015, 08:48:03 PM
All good sorry.
Has it got the grey dot seating?
Leather, and that inspector friend of your's was right!
Quote from: 979 on March 07, 2015, 08:52:52 PM
Quote from: NXDom on March 07, 2015, 08:48:03 PM
All good sorry.
Has it got the grey dot seating?
Leather, and that inspector friend of your's was right!
Leather, oooo interesting. Yeah i thought as much.
Leather cab seat only
Quote from: karl724223 on March 07, 2015, 08:57:35 PM
Leather cab seat only
And the normal seats are not standard Grey dot either
Quote from: 979 on March 07, 2015, 08:52:52 PM
Quote from: NXDom on March 07, 2015, 08:48:03 PM
All good sorry.
Has it got the grey dot seating?
Leather, and that inspector friend of your's was right!
Was Dom's Inspector friend in Dudley today?
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2015, 09:10:04 PM
Quote from: 979 on March 07, 2015, 08:52:52 PM
Quote from: NXDom on March 07, 2015, 08:48:03 PM
All good sorry.
Has it got the grey dot seating?
Leather, and that inspector friend of your's was right!
Was Dom's Inspector friend in Dudley today?
he told me you had been up and showed me a pic of what the branding would be like, didn't want to fully give the game away so only questioned it.
He won't be in trouble for it will he?
He wont be if you don't plaster his name over the forum, Winston
Looks like the photos of the MMC's are up on Tony's web. That branding looks completely ugly. I hope that type of branding wont be on the new 50 buses.
Quote from: NXDom on March 07, 2015, 08:59:13 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on March 07, 2015, 08:57:35 PM
Leather cab seat only
So are all the others grey dot?
Multicoloured. Red and blue, from what I could see...
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6105.html
Smart looking buses and an excellent livery but that branding...
Oh dear.
Quote from: clayderman on March 07, 2015, 09:37:00 PM
Quote from: NXDom on March 07, 2015, 08:59:13 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on March 07, 2015, 08:57:35 PM
Leather cab seat only
So are all the others grey dot?
Multicoloured. Red and blue, from what I could see...
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6105.html
It's starting to annoy me know as I can't tell exactly what it is.
I wonder if there is going to be any ticket branding?
Sorry but that 9 branding looks awful and cheap, ruined a great livery there.
i think the branding looks smart
I think the branding is quite complementary to the livery and should be adopted fleetwide
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 07, 2015, 09:45:35 PM
I think the branding is quite complementary to the livery and should be adopted fleetwide
@the trainbasher Sarcasm?
Quote from: 979 on March 07, 2015, 09:40:46 PM
I wonder if there is going to be any ticket branding?
I hope not. Leave the remaining vehicles as is. As much as I think it's good advertising, too much is too much... As for route branding, for such an elegant livery - I must say, I'd agree with
@trident4370... I wouldn't exactly say ruined, but through my eyes, it doesn't sit right.
EDIT: ESPECIALLY the 'band', if you will, around the display - a big 'no-no' for me. At least make it the same shape around the display, like the current branding.
Quote from: clayderman on March 07, 2015, 09:48:34 PM
Quote from: 979 on March 07, 2015, 09:40:46 PM
I wonder if there is going to be any ticket branding?
I hope not. Leave the remaining vehicles as is. As much as I think it's good advertising, too much is too much... As for route branding, for such an elegant livery - I must say, I'd agree with @trident4370... I wouldn't exactly say ruined, but through my eyes, it doesn't sit right.
and the route branding will no doubt be wasted as the buses will be used on most PE routes.
Quote from: trident4370 on March 07, 2015, 09:42:26 PM
Sorry but that 9 branding looks awful and cheap, ruined a great livery there.
Really! I like it personally. Like you said marmite. I think it's good as it makes a fresh change for fresh buses, I think the green isn't actually that bad, well not as bad as the old green branding.
2015 is going to be a new age in buses. Enviros recieving face lifts, new livery, new branding ,this is it a new era!!
Sorry went on a bit of a tangent
@Alex I'm remaining tight lipped on weather I was joking or serious On that subject!
I like the style of the branding looks smart but I agree with
@clayderman leave the remaining E400MMC's unbranded.
Quote from: NXDom on March 07, 2015, 09:52:30 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on March 07, 2015, 09:42:26 PM
Sorry but that 9 branding looks awful and cheap, ruined a great livery there.
Really! I like it personally. Like you said marmite. I think it's good as it makes a fresh change for fresh buses, I think the green isn't actually that bad, well not as bad as the old green branding.
2015 is going to be a new age in buses. Enviros recieving face lifts, new livery, new branding ,this is it a new era!!
Sorry went on a bit of a tangent
Yeah it is definitely a marmite branding (accidentally deleted that instead of modifying!) it's not as bad as the old green rubbish but imo nowhere near as good as the current well i guess old now branding style (35,50 etc.). I just think it makes an otherwise expensive looking bus and livery look cheap but clearly some do like it and I guess the idea of branding is to draw attention in well it certainly does that... Maybe with different colour combinations it will look vastly different.
Oh dear the vinyl vandals have been at it again. Classy new livery and look what they do to it.
Quote from: RW on March 07, 2015, 10:11:50 PM
Oh dear the vinyl vandals have been at it again. Classy new livery and look what they do to it.
Hear Hear !!!!!
Quote from: RW on March 07, 2015, 10:11:50 PM
Oh dear the vinyl vandals have been at it again. Classy new livery and look what they do to it.
Completely agree.
You get a stylish livery at long last, and then mash completely random shapes and Wacky Warehouse kiddy colours all over it.
NX marketing team should be sacked for approving it, and the branding expert who came up with it really should give up smoking crack.
@The Real 4778 the way I see it is branding like that gets people looking at it gets people who never use the bus on board gets more revenue meaning more new buses.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 07, 2015, 10:19:43 PM
Quote from: RW on March 07, 2015, 10:11:50 PM
Oh dear the vinyl vandals have been at it again. Classy new livery and look what they do to it.
Completely agree.
You get a stylish livery at long last, and then mash completely random shapes and Wacky Warehouse kiddy colours all over it.
NX marketing team should be sacked for approving it, and the branding expert who came up with it really should give up smoking crack.
The fact is, the branding is already doing its job. You may not like it but you've certainly noticed it and the fact it sticks out so much will definitely allow intendingpassengers know where the bus is going.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 07, 2015, 10:19:43 PM
Quote from: RW on March 07, 2015, 10:11:50 PM
Oh dear the vinyl vandals have been at it again. Classy new livery and look what they do to it.
Completely agree.
You get a stylish livery at long last, and then mash completely random shapes and Wacky Warehouse kiddy colours all over it.
NX marketing team should be sacked for approving it, and the branding expert who came up with it really should give up smoking crack.
The person who designed that branding, and the previous ones, was stood next to me while I was watching it being applied. He says he quite enjoys the comments on here, including the negative ones!
I like the branding, can't see the 94 getting any lol.
Really smart buses - even notice the drivers seat have a headrest! The branding is fresh and certainly eye catching. Will stand out to people on the street and make it clear what bus is the 9 - main reason for route branding.
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2015, 10:25:33 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 07, 2015, 10:19:43 PM
Quote from: RW on March 07, 2015, 10:11:50 PM
Oh dear the vinyl vandals have been at it again. Classy new livery and look what they do to it.
Completely agree.
You get a stylish livery at long last, and then mash completely random shapes and Wacky Warehouse kiddy colours all over it.
NX marketing team should be sacked for approving it, and the branding expert who came up with it really should give up smoking crack.
The person who designed that branding, and the previous ones, was stood next to me while I was watching it being applied. He says he quite enjoys the comments on here, including the negative ones!
Honestly I think some comments are so unfair some of the comments as it isn't actually that bad plus the fact if you think it is poor then I challenge you to come up with a branding that a majority of people like.
Quote from: NXDom on March 07, 2015, 10:29:15 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2015, 10:25:33 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 07, 2015, 10:19:43 PM
Quote from: RW on March 07, 2015, 10:11:50 PM
Oh dear the vinyl vandals have been at it again. Classy new livery and look what they do to it.
Completely agree.
You get a stylish livery at long last, and then mash completely random shapes and Wacky Warehouse kiddy colours all over it.
NX marketing team should be sacked for approving it, and the branding expert who came up with it really should give up smoking crack.
The person who designed that branding, and the previous ones, was stood next to me while I was watching it being applied. He says he quite enjoys the comments on here, including the negative ones!
Honestly I think some comments are so unfair some of the comments as it isn't actually that bad plus the fact if you think it is poor then I challenge you to come up with a branding that a majority of people like.
Easy, no branding.
And no rear advert, drivers tend to spend more time reading them and forget to brake, and then another rta!
Quote from: Andrew on March 07, 2015, 10:25:04 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 07, 2015, 10:19:43 PM
Quote from: RW on March 07, 2015, 10:11:50 PM
Oh dear the vinyl vandals have been at it again. Classy new livery and look what they do to it.
Completely agree.
You get a stylish livery at long last, and then mash completely random shapes and Wacky Warehouse kiddy colours all over it.
NX marketing team should be sacked for approving it, and the branding expert who came up with it really should give up smoking crack.
The fact is, the branding is already doing its job. You may not like it but you've certainly noticed it and the fact it sticks out so much will definitely allow intendingpassengers know where the bus is going.
I've noticed it. And having noticed it I shall avoid the 9 route so I don't have to see it in the plastic. When it comes to Sutton as it inevitably will I'll stick to the Sapphires (with their sympathetic branding), the trains and the comfort of my nice big Rovers.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 07, 2015, 10:31:52 PM
Quote from: NXDom on March 07, 2015, 10:29:15 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2015, 10:25:33 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 07, 2015, 10:19:43 PM
Quote from: RW on March 07, 2015, 10:11:50 PM
Oh dear the vinyl vandals have been at it again. Classy new livery and look what they do to it.
Completely agree.
You get a stylish livery at long last, and then mash completely random shapes and Wacky Warehouse kiddy colours all over it.
NX marketing team should be sacked for approving it, and the branding expert who came up with it really should give up smoking crack.
The person who designed that branding, and the previous ones, was stood next to me while I was watching it being applied. He says he quite enjoys the comments on here, including the negative ones!
Honestly I think some comments are so unfair some of the comments as it isn't actually that bad plus the fact if you think it is poor then I challenge you to come up with a branding that a majority of people like.
Easy, no branding.
And no rear advert, drivers tend to spend more time reading them and forget to brake, and then another rta!
Thing is from a business pov it works as it attracts customers and advertises routes and tickets at the same time.
Quote from: NXDom on March 07, 2015, 10:29:15 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2015, 10:25:33 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 07, 2015, 10:19:43 PM
Quote from: RW on March 07, 2015, 10:11:50 PM
Oh dear the vinyl vandals have been at it again. Classy new livery and look what they do to it.
Completely agree.
You get a stylish livery at long last, and then mash completely random shapes and Wacky Warehouse kiddy colours all over it.
NX marketing team should be sacked for approving it, and the branding expert who came up with it really should give up smoking crack.
The person who designed that branding, and the previous ones, was stood next to me while I was watching it being applied. He says he quite enjoys the comments on here, including the negative ones!
Honestly I think some comments are so unfair some of the comments as it isn't actually that bad plus the fact if you think it is poor then I challenge you to come up with a branding that a majority of people like.
Fair enough:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:87012_the_olympian.JPG
Sorry to say that I'm really disappointed in the branding on this, what a waste. NX's chance to completely reinvent its image and it looks like something straight out of 2003. Also 'every 7 minutes along the Hagley road' - bit stupid, it's certainly more frequent than that! (Well, if you include the other services, as previous 'every...along...' branding has)
I think some need to realise how far NX have come since 2010 in terms of image and livery - people constantly moan over wanting a new livery in comparison to the basic red and white - we get a new livery and then some decide to have a go about that. This is far cry from the old basic green NX branding on the Tridents etc. These buses look a step up from those before and represents some a serious attempt by NX to increase bus patronage across the Midlands.
Quote from: Andrew on March 07, 2015, 10:25:04 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 07, 2015, 10:19:43 PM
Quote from: RW on March 07, 2015, 10:11:50 PM
Oh dear the vinyl vandals have been at it again. Classy new livery and look what they do to it.
Completely agree.
You get a stylish livery at long last, and then mash completely random shapes and Wacky Warehouse kiddy colours all over it.
NX marketing team should be sacked for approving it, and the branding expert who came up with it really should give up smoking crack.
The fact is, the branding is already doing its job. You may not like it but you've certainly noticed it and the fact it sticks out so much will definitely allow intendingpassengers know where the bus is going.
Having a pair of giant knockers on the front of the bus would have the same effect but that doesn't mean it's appropriate. Such a good looking bus with a top end livery - surely a more sympathetic expensive looking branding was achievable. Tasteful branding is possible. Take Brighton & Hove for example.
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 07, 2015, 10:39:26 PM
I think some need to realise how far NX have come since 2010 in terms of image and livery - people constantly moan over wanting a new livery in comparison to the basic red and white - we get a new livery and then some decide to have a go about that. This is far cry from the old basic green NX branding on the Tridents etc. These buses look a step up from those before and represents some a serious attempt by NX to increase bus patronage across the Midlands.
The new livery is lovely. It has presence and maturity that the cheerless and impractical Freightliner container livery utterly lacks.
However, it's difficult to conceive of a less sympathetic, more clashing route branding. I mean, a green neon floaty lava lamp balloon around the destination display.
Quote from: Mike K on March 07, 2015, 10:41:35 PM
Having a pair of giant knockers on the front of the bus would have the same effect but that doesn't mean it's appropriate. Such a good looking bus with a top end livery - surely a more sympathetic expensive looking branding was achievable. Tasteful branding is possible. Take Brighton & Hove for example.
Mike, the new branding definitely has its knockers. You and I are a pair of them.
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2015, 10:25:33 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 07, 2015, 10:19:43 PM
Quote from: RW on March 07, 2015, 10:11:50 PM
Oh dear the vinyl vandals have been at it again. Classy new livery and look what they do to it.
Completely agree.
You get a stylish livery at long last, and then mash completely random shapes and Wacky Warehouse kiddy colours all over it.
NX marketing team should be sacked for approving it, and the branding expert who came up with it really should give up smoking crack.
The person who designed that branding, and the previous ones, was stood next to me while I was watching it being applied. He says he quite enjoys the comments on here, including the negative ones!
Alas,all so boringly predictable.......hideous as it is,at least branding partly hid the unimaginative old colours (can't be dignified with the word livery) but this new livery is very attractive.
Vandalising it with anything would be sad,but with this rubbish it is criminal.......any yobs with a spray can could do a better job,and to describe the branding as "designed" really does stretch credibility to the limit.
Cannot these PR and marketing wonks be found anything better to do?
Words like dignified or proud are beyond the vocabulary of these people.
I cannot believe I am saying this,but at least TrentBarton branding looks professional.
Management will doubtless console themselves with the belief that it will increase patronage,if this is so then the public are even more gullible than I would suppose.
Afraid we must suffer it unless.............please Sir Brian can you increase your offer?
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on March 07, 2015, 11:44:40 PM
By this time next week we'll be at page 1000
I'll bet on there being a right spotter line up at Stourbridge.......kids
And it won't be kids filling up the thread either. It'll be older people moaning about the branding... Seriously we get the idea you don't like it when they brand buses but for the love of God I've just gone through 5 pages of drivel... Just accept it NX are going to brand their buses and let's get back onto the subject of the garage itself and it's happenings
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 07, 2015, 10:45:20 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 07, 2015, 10:39:26 PM
I think some need to realise how far NX have come since 2010 in terms of image and livery - people constantly moan over wanting a new livery in comparison to the basic red and white - we get a new livery and then some decide to have a go about that. This is far cry from the old basic green NX branding on the Tridents etc. These buses look a step up from those before and represents some a serious attempt by NX to increase bus patronage across the Midlands.
The new livery is lovely. It has presence and maturity that the cheerless and impractical Freightliner container livery utterly lacks.
However, it's difficult to conceive of a less sympathetic, more clashing route branding. I mean, a green neon floaty lava lamp balloon around the destination display.
@The Real 4778 - My point exactly! - though, I don't know about you, but if CMNL ever produces the MMCs, whether branded or not, count me in.
Quote from: Kevin on March 08, 2015, 10:06:33 AM
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on March 07, 2015, 11:44:40 PM
By this time next week we'll be at page 1000
I'll bet on there being a right spotter line up at Stourbridge.......kids
And it won't be kids filling up the thread either. It'll be older people moaning about the branding... Seriously we get the idea you don't like it when they brand buses but for the love of God I've just gone through 5 pages of drivel... Just accept it NX are going to brand their buses and let's get back onto the subject of the garage itself and it's happenings
Yes those ruddy older people and their drivel.
What's on the 289 today?
Could I suggest that a new thread called "Enviro 400 MMC" is set up to record new deliveries / branding etc for new buses at all garages, which would then free up the garage threads for more mundane matters.
Quote from: Kevin on March 08, 2015, 10:30:09 AM
Quote from: karl724223 on March 08, 2015, 10:10:29 AM
Only five pages of drivel
That was since I last checked the forum ;)
Let's face it a brand new vehicle type, a brand new livery and a new style of route branding are bound to provoke comment and debate.
The drivel in this thread comes from a running commentary of how many Tridents are on the 9 each day, a daily essay on the goings on on the 243/244, plus 100 or so pages on a bunch of 14 year old Tridents being transferred from BC.
Quote from: Mike K on March 08, 2015, 10:40:35 AM
Quote from: Kevin on March 08, 2015, 10:30:09 AM
Quote from: karl724223 on March 08, 2015, 10:10:29 AM
Only five pages of drivel
That was since I last checked the forum ;)
Let's face it a brand new vehicle type, a brand new livery and a new style of route branding are bound to provoke comment and debate.
The drivel in this thread comes from a running commentary of how many Tridents are on the 9 each day, a daily essay on the goings on on the 243/244, plus 100 or so pages on a bunch of 14 year old Tridents being transferred from BC.
Eloquently put, sir.
A new batch of buses are about to be unveiled, of course there's gonna be more pages of speculation and excitement
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 08, 2015, 10:14:05 AM
Quote from: Kevin on March 08, 2015, 10:06:33 AM
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on March 07, 2015, 11:44:40 PM
By this time next week we'll be at page 1000
I'll bet on there being a right spotter line up at Stourbridge.......kids
And it won't be kids filling up the thread either. It'll be older people moaning about the branding... Seriously we get the idea you don't like it when they brand buses but for the love of God I've just gone through 5 pages of drivel... Just accept it NX are going to brand their buses and let's get back onto the subject of the garage itself and it's happenings
Yes those ruddy older people and their drivel.
What's on the 289 today?
B7RLE maybe?
Think it would be quite a disaster if Sir Brian got control - I don't see Stagecoach following such an intense undertaking of investment this year and some effort in improving their fairly dated livery now. Look at Norfolk Green since it's gone under Stagecoach control - having knackered darts sent on loan from time to time. If Stagecoach every got west midlands control it would mean the end of distinctive liveries with nationwide, bland corporate colours arriving. Not to mention it may become a knackered Dart or Olympian dumping ground which Stagecoach like to do.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 08, 2015, 10:42:20 AM
Quote from: Mike K on March 08, 2015, 10:40:35 AM
Quote from: Kevin on March 08, 2015, 10:30:09 AM
Quote from: karl724223 on March 08, 2015, 10:10:29 AM
Only five pages of drivel
That was since I last checked the forum ;)
Let's face it a brand new vehicle type, a brand new livery and a new style of route branding are bound to provoke comment and debate.
The drivel in this thread comes from a running commentary of how many Tridents are on the 9 each day, a daily essay on the goings on on the 243/244, plus 100 or so pages on a bunch of 14 year old Tridents being transferred from BC.
Eloquently put, sir.
Unfortunately,too much of most threads is cluttered with the minutiae of NXWM daily observations......it is good to see a wider view of bus operations being discussed,even if many views differ from my own.
Surely this is the point of a forum.
Well I like the new colours and that luminous green branding is excellent as well. The halo round the destination blind reflects the body shape below. They'll be easy to pick out with the green branding for passengers.
I thought the new colours would be more rhubarb, strawberry and custard than they are - the Reds look very similar!!
Now I'm one of the old folk who remember the days when doctors were called to smethwick high St only to find the wheezing and screaming sounds were Volvo ailsas on the 87 and not a mass outbreak of some illness amongst the population!!!!!
I also like the standard NX livery - there's nothing like a newly painted and trimmed Gemini, E400 or even Trident - lovely and crisp looking.
As for Sir Brian (Robertson?? I saw that Warship class loco!!) well I'm sure it has irked him for 20 yrs plus he has never got his hands on WM buses - however they run a good bus company to be fair. However when my daughter was at uni in Manchester the students boycotted Sir BS's buses en masse owing to his rather focussed and regional public religious utterings!! I can't imagine that going down well in Perry barr, acocks green etc etc!!!
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 08, 2015, 11:15:55 AM
If Stagecoach every got west midlands control it would mean the end of distinctive liveries with nationwide, bland corporate colours arriving.
The irony....
I've just noticed Tony's fleet list on this site, which shows that 6101-6115 are to be 9 branded and gives the names of these 15 buses.
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html)
I rather like the new livery and branding. However the Reds look less different from one another in some of the photos. More raspberry, strawberry and custard than rhubarb, strawberry and custard!!!
Does anyone know how the new buses will be phased in? A launch and then all 22 at once or trickle I to service as normal??
Quote from: don on March 08, 2015, 11:50:47 AM
I rather like the new livery and branding. However the Reds look less different from one another in some of the photos. More raspberry, strawberry and custard than rhubarb, strawberry and custard!!!
Does anyone know how the new buses will be phased in? A launch and then all 22 at once or trickle I to service as normal??
Phased in from tomorrow morning
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 08, 2015, 11:36:02 AM
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 08, 2015, 11:15:55 AM
If Stagecoach every got west midlands control it would mean the end of distinctive liveries with nationwide, bland corporate colours arriving.
The irony....
Stagecoach's livery might be bland if you live in one of their operating areas or have visited a few but even a decade on still looks good and does last well. In the same way I prefer Firsts Olympia livery to barbie and Arrivas aquamarine to the 1997 original. As for NXWM, as nicer as it was, you cant really keep TWM livery if you are no longer TWM, but we need something new, no matter how deep a red you use it will fade and white never stays white. The new one will look nicer in the flesh. I think there is far far far far far too much excitement over new vehicles. Older does mean better despite the obvious disclaimers, I'm only still slowly chipping away at all this plastic crap to win a bet, somebody find me my last 21 B7TL's from NX and 18 Tridents, id of still had a better day than those who end up thinking there's no spotter appeal to the next generation. Waffle over
Quote from: Roy on March 08, 2015, 11:47:58 AM
I've just noticed Tony's fleet list on this site, which shows that 6101-6115 are to be 9 branded and gives the names of these 15 buses.
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html)
I still think 'Alexandra Denise' would be a good name for an E400! :-)
Quote from: Russ Smith on March 07, 2015, 10:36:45 PM
Sorry to say that I'm really disappointed in the branding on this, what a waste. NX's chance to completely reinvent its image and it looks like something straight out of 2003. Also 'every 7 minutes along the Hagley road' - bit stupid, it's certainly more frequent than that! (Well, if you include the other services, as previous 'every...along...' branding has)
There are a high number of buses along the Hagley Road, but there is no combined frequency at all. The 9 is the most frequent of them all
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 08, 2015, 01:14:10 PM
Quote from: Russ Smith on March 07, 2015, 10:36:45 PM
Sorry to say that I'm really disappointed in the branding on this, what a waste. NX's chance to completely reinvent its image and it looks like something straight out of 2003. Also 'every 7 minutes along the Hagley road' - bit stupid, it's certainly more frequent than that! (Well, if you include the other services, as previous 'every...along...' branding has)
There are a high number of buses along the Hagley Road, but there is no combined frequency at all. The 9 is the most frequent of them all
I thought this is the 126.
Is this similar to what we're getting in Walsall for the X51 eventually?
Are the new e200's for the 243/4 going to be branded?
Quote from: Westy on March 08, 2015, 02:35:00 PM
Is this similar to what we're getting in Walsall for the X51 eventually?
The only similarity is the bodyshell & mechanics
Quote from: Tony on March 08, 2015, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: Westy on March 08, 2015, 02:35:00 PM
Is this similar to what we're getting in Walsall for the X51 eventually?
The only similarity is the bodyshell & mechanics
Platinum?
- Livery/Logo Variation
- Leather Passenger Seats (?)
- On board WiFi (?)
Have I covered them all? - WiFi (if any) will be a great addition, I'll give you that.
Will the green buses 5401-5421 & 5501-5518 be getting a updated livery like 6101 in two tone green
@wembley86 I believe it's new deliveries only to get the new livery
6 pages later....
Yeah I actually like the look of these MMC's in their smart new standard livery. Although I wish there were more contrast betwixt each band of colour.
However... The branding... Urrrrm... Leaves a lot to be desired to be honest. I wish it looked more professional. And what's with the floating green band around the front destination? It should at least touch the edge of the destination box. Pointless stickers to be honest.
Alas I believe we're taking things out of perspective. Joe Bloggs and Jane Doe won't be analysing these things. They'll just see the 'red and green bus' and know its for the number 9. (Although knowing the public it'll be endless "is this the English number 9? Do I have to pay to use my WM pass, drive?
@karl724223)
I agree - there doesn't seem to be much contrast between the reds. But on the whole the new look is a lot better. Now it's just the 15 year wait for the rest of the fleet to be in this livery.
Quote from: Stevo on March 08, 2015, 05:44:40 PM
I agree - there doesn't seem to be much contrast between the reds. But on the whole the new look is a lot better. Now it's just the 15 year wait for the rest of the fleet to be in this livery.
Hahaha, yeah lol.
Oh I just realised, the fleet is a mess again. The MMC livery, the new NX, different branding styles, the stripy nx, the different style typeface logos, jeez.
Whilst on the subject of newer buses, and liveries - I've gone back to my paperbus antics...
Check it out... There's also a branded version, also... ;)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122377951@N02/16565091508/in/photostream/
My next attempt will be the two-tone red livery, next... But back on topic, it seems me and LS have a similar opinion about the green 'halo' (as some call it) around the destination 'box'. Let me reiterate. It just looks out of place. I'm all for branding and route promotion, but only if it's sensible, and 'professional' - that sticker just takes the mick... ::)
Quote from: clayderman on March 08, 2015, 06:06:10 PM
Whilst on the subject of newer buses, and liveries - I've gone back to my paperbus antics...
Check it out... There's also a branded version, also... ;)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122377951@N02/16565091508/in/photostream/
My next attempt will be the two-tone red livery, next... But back on topic, it seems me and LS have a similar opinion about the green 'halo' (as some call it) around the destination 'box'. Let me reiterate. It just looks out of place. I'm all for branding and route promotion, but only if it's sensible, and 'professional' - that sticker just takes the mick... ::)
Excellent! A proper livery! Good old TWM! Proper job. Great work.
And yeah, you understand what I'm saying it doesn't look finish.
New livery looks good time will tell what the weather and bus wash does to the fading of the paint
As for route branding at pensnett I think it's a total waste of time for the size of the garage
@Liverpool Street
Agreed Why anyroute has branding is beyond me
Quote from: Rhys S on March 08, 2015, 06:37:22 PM
Agreed Why anyroute has branding is beyond me
Why you copy other peoples photos is beyond me.
Quote from: Rhys S on March 08, 2015, 06:37:22 PM
Agreed Why any route has branding is beyond me
It's purely innocent advertising. The operators want to catch your eye, get them to notice their routes. With the 9, it certainly has - though the green still doesn't look to good with red to me. Should've been black, at least it would've looked 'elegant'. Something which the new livery was heading towards. ::)
Quote from: karl724223 on March 08, 2015, 06:31:30 PM
New livery looks good time will tell what the weather and bus wash does to the fading of the paint
As for route branding at pensnett I think it's a total waste of time for the size of the garage@Liverpool Street
Maybe when the 9 goes to BC it wouldn't be a problem *wink wink nudge nudge*
@karl724223 haha
Quote from: Rhys S on March 08, 2015, 06:37:22 PM
Agreed Why anyroute has branding is beyond me
The bus companies brand their buses because they say it increases passenger numbers and thus increases their profits. They are not going to spend money employing a company like Best Impressions to brand their buses unless it brings in more income than their expenditure.
Brighton and Hove branded their service 2 a couple of years ago and have said that passenger numbers have increased significantly since then and that improvements will be made to the service in April. Mind you, the branding on B&H 2 looks far better than that on NXWM 9.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 08, 2015, 07:06:19 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on March 08, 2015, 06:31:30 PM
New livery looks good time will tell what the weather and bus wash does to the fading of the paint
As for route branding at pensnett I think it's a total waste of time for the size of the garage@Liverpool Street
Maybe when the 9 goes to BC it wouldn't be a problem *wink wink nudge nudge* @karl724223 haha
99 might be coming to pensnett
@Liverpool Street
Quote from: clayderman on March 08, 2015, 06:06:10 PM
LS and I seem to share a similar opinion about the green 'halo' (as some call it) around the destination 'box'. Let me reiterate. It just looks out of place. I'm all for branding and route promotion, but only if it's sensible, and 'professional' - that sticker just takes the mick... ::)
Messrs L Street and R Clayderman - the halo is pure art ...... compare with NX West Midlands' branding artist's first green destination box attempt - leaving a slit for destination - they've improved so much. I like the new livery and branding personally.
Presumably Pensnett has had a new bus wash to keep these new buses spruce and to stop the impression that the red on Pensnett's buses has been washed regularly with Daz or Fairy Liquid thus bleaching the colour.
Quote from: Roy on March 08, 2015, 07:11:49 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 08, 2015, 06:37:22 PM
Agreed Why anyroute has branding is beyond me
The bus companies brand their buses because they say it increases passenger numbers and thus increases their profits. They are not going to spend money employing a company like Best Impressions to brand their buses unless it brings in more income than their expenditure.
Brighton and Hove branded their service 2 a couple of years ago and have said that passenger numbers have increased significantly since then and that improvements will be made to the service in April. Mind you, the branding on B&H 2 looks far better than that on NXWM 9.
Nah NXWM 9 is better..
Quote from: don on March 08, 2015, 07:42:54 PM
Quote from: clayderman on March 08, 2015, 06:06:10 PM
LS and I seem to share a similar opinion about the green 'halo' (as some call it) around the destination 'box'. Let me reiterate. It just looks out of place. I'm all for branding and route promotion, but only if it's sensible, and 'professional' - that sticker just takes the mick... ::)
Messrs L Street and R Clayderman - the halo is pure art ...... compare with NX West Midlands' branding artist's first green destination box attempt - leaving a slit for destination - they've improved so much. I like the new livery and branding personally.
Presumably Pensnett has had a new bus wash to keep these new buses spruce and to stop the impression that the red on Pensnett's buses has been washed regularly with Daz or Fairy Liquid thus bleaching the colour.
I mean, yeah, overall as a branding, it's fine. It's just that halo, and the colour scheme that irks me. And as for the rear branding,
@979 has posted, I have to give it to NX, having something promoting tickets, as well as the route. Would this be the end to ticket branding? I hope so.
I remember talking to the then Walsall manager in 1996 and he was both surprised and pleased that the 529 branding on the B10Bs had increased ridership. He'd heard people say they were 'riding the stripe' as the branding was a yellow diagonal. So branding's been effective for WMT for almost 20 years.
The 9 is far superior to the Brighton effort, hopefully time will tell if the numbers increase. Mind you with the road works don't if that would happy very quickly etc.
Quote from: 979 on March 08, 2015, 08:02:46 PM
Quote from: Roy on March 08, 2015, 07:11:49 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 08, 2015, 06:37:22 PM
Agreed Why anyroute has branding is beyond me
The bus companies brand their buses because they say it increases passenger numbers and thus increases their profits. They are not going to spend money employing a company like Best Impressions to brand their buses unless it brings in more income than their expenditure.
Brighton and Hove branded their service 2 a couple of years ago and have said that passenger numbers have increased significantly since then and that improvements will be made to the service in April. Mind you, the branding on B&H 2 looks far better than that on NXWM 9.
Nah NXWM 9 is better..
That rear needs a bigger NXWM logo.
Have you seen the NXWM website banner advertising the new buses. I like it, doing properly now.
can't wait to see howthe livery will be on the new E200 buses when they arrive.
I have a feeling I saw somewhere that these Enviro 200s will be delivered in the NX red and white, to allow them to mix in with the current E200 fleets, with no differences.
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 09, 2015, 06:26:16 AM
I have a feeling I saw somewhere that these Enviro 200s will be delivered in the NX red and white, to allow them to mix in with the current E200 fleets, with no differences.
861-875 will be same spec as 840-860 (And 801-829 for that matter).
Quote from: Nathan on March 09, 2015, 08:13:33 AM
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 09, 2015, 06:26:16 AM
I have a feeling I saw somewhere that these Enviro 200s will be delivered in the NX red and white, to allow them to mix in with the current E200 fleets, with no differences.
861-875 will be same spec as 840-860 (And 801-829 for that matter).
According to what
@Tony said on Facebook
The NXWM website suggests that the MMC's not on the 9 will be used on the 140/141/241 group.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/new-buses-on-the-9 (http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/new-buses-on-the-9)
NX not up for subtlety then. That rear branding. Oh dear. Could have been a bit more sympathetic to the new livery. Vinyl vandals had a field day putting that on!!
6101 was parked outside Stourbridge Bus Station at around 11:15 and i have to say that the rear branding is much better in real life than in the picture!
NXWM - please stop covering the rear windows with adverts, your passengers want to see out of them.
Quote from: Rhys S on March 09, 2015, 08:23:43 AM
Quote from: Nathan on March 09, 2015, 08:13:33 AM
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 09, 2015, 06:26:16 AM
I have a feeling I saw somewhere that these Enviro 200s will be delivered in the NX red and white, to allow them to mix in with the current E200 fleets, with no differences.
861-875 will be same spec as 840-860 (And 801-829 for that matter).
According to what @Tony said on Facebook
What was said on here. I do not have Facebook!
Quote from: Nathan on March 09, 2015, 12:40:07 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 09, 2015, 08:23:43 AM
Quote from: Nathan on March 09, 2015, 08:13:33 AM
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 09, 2015, 06:26:16 AM
I have a feeling I saw somewhere that these Enviro 200s will be delivered in the NX red and white, to allow them to mix in with the current E200 fleets, with no differences.
861-875 will be same spec as 840-860 (And 801-829 for that matter).
According to what @Tony said on Facebook
What was said on here. I do not have Facebook!
Exactly the same as I said on here several times 861-875 are the same as 801-60!
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2015, 12:41:38 PM
Quote from: Nathan on March 09, 2015, 12:40:07 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 09, 2015, 08:23:43 AM
Quote from: Nathan on March 09, 2015, 08:13:33 AM
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 09, 2015, 06:26:16 AM
I have a feeling I saw somewhere that these Enviro 200s will be delivered in the NX red and white, to allow them to mix in with the current E200 fleets, with no differences.
861-875 will be same spec as 840-860 (And 801-829 for that matter).
According to what @Tony said on Facebook
What was said on here. I do not have Facebook!
Exactly the same as I said on here several times 861-875 are the same as 801-60!
Exactly Tony! So why the need for others to ask the question again?!
6103 - Anisha
Apparently the break glass exits have been replaced by a cord which instantly shatters the window?
If that is true then that has to be asking for trouble with school kids etc?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on March 09, 2015, 01:57:22 PM
Apparently the break glass exits have been replaced by a cord which instantly shatters the window?
If that is true then that has to be asking for trouble with school kids etc?
I think there has been a mis-interpretation somewhere along the line there. It is not a cord.
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2015, 02:10:32 PM
Quote from: BU07 LGO on March 09, 2015, 01:57:22 PM
Apparently the break glass exits have been replaced by a cord which instantly shatters the window?
If that is true then that has to be asking for trouble with school kids etc?
I think there has been a mis-interpretation somewhere along the line there. It is not a cord.
It's most likely a small rounded metal button that you have to remove some sort of seal and then strike hard and glass shatters. That's what Optare use anyway...
Quote from: DiamondDart on March 09, 2015, 02:17:53 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2015, 02:10:32 PM
Quote from: BU07 LGO on March 09, 2015, 01:57:22 PM
Apparently the break glass exits have been replaced by a cord which instantly shatters the window?
If that is true then that has to be asking for trouble with school kids etc?
I think there has been a mis-interpretation somewhere along the line there. It is not a cord.
It's most likely a small rounded metal button that you have to remove some sort of seal and then strike hard and glass shatters. That's what Optare use anyway...
Correct
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on March 09, 2015, 12:24:10 PM
NXWM - please stop covering the rear windows with adverts, your passengers want to see out of them.
Ah yes, the owl seats.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on March 09, 2015, 12:24:10 PM
NXWM - please stop covering the rear windows with adverts, your passengers want to see out of them.
Quote of the day. They're starting to cover the 97 Tridents rears as well.
Quote from: Nathan on March 09, 2015, 08:13:33 AM
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 09, 2015, 06:26:16 AM
I have a feeling I saw somewhere that these Enviro 200s will be delivered in the NX red and white, to allow them to mix in with the current E200 fleets, with no differences.
861-875 will be same spec as 840-860 (And 801-829 for that matter).
Thought they were the same spec ;
@Nathan Thanks :)
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2015, 02:10:32 PM
Quote from: BU07 LGO on March 09, 2015, 01:57:22 PM
Apparently the break glass exits have been replaced by a cord which instantly shatters the window?
If that is true then that has to be asking for trouble with school kids etc?
I think there has been a mis-interpretation somewhere along the line there. It is not a cord.
Yeah that must be it lol
Quote from: 979 on March 09, 2015, 01:31:29 PM
6103 - Anisha
Someone, somewhere will hate me for saying this, but "Barclaycard" is spelt wrong...
Quote from: N94 on March 09, 2015, 03:15:02 PM
Quote from: 979 on March 09, 2015, 01:31:29 PM
6103 - Anisha
Someone, somewhere will hate me for saying this, but "Barclaycard" is spelt wrong...
Haha! Oops! Sack the proof reader!
As I posted in the E400 thread I went on 6102 today. I think the livery looks better in the flesh than in photos - the distinction between the reds is more noticeable. I agree about obscuring the rear windows, though. How about contravision? It's awful on side windows but acceptable on the back.
Question for anyone who has seen the new livery. Is the red used for the mid section of the new livery the same red used for the 'old' red/white livery or is it a different shade. It's hard to tell from the online photos.
Quote from: N94 on March 09, 2015, 03:15:02 PM
Quote from: 979 on March 09, 2015, 01:31:29 PM
6103 - Anisha
Someone, somewhere will hate me for saying this, but "Barclaycard" is spelt wrong...
LOL! Only people who'll hate you for saying that are those who don't believe there's any importance attached to accuracy.
Quote from: RW on March 09, 2015, 04:53:06 PM
Question for anyone who has seen the new livery. Is the red used for the mid section of the new livery the same red used for the 'old' red/white livery or is it a different shade. It's hard to tell from the online photos.
Different shade, but then the whole bus looks different when you see it with your own eyes
Quote from: Andrew on March 09, 2015, 05:24:29 PM
Quote from: RW on March 09, 2015, 04:53:06 PM
Question for anyone who has seen the new livery. Is the red used for the mid section of the new livery the same red used for the 'old' red/white livery or is it a different shade. It's hard to tell from the online photos.
Different shade, but then the whole bus looks different when you see it with your own eyes
Indeed it does. Highly impressive in the flesh, reds are quite dark and the overall livery looks luxurious and almost coach like. Look forward to seeing the unbranded examples.
Registrations for the YW batch now here
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 09, 2015, 05:12:04 PM
Quote from: N94 on March 09, 2015, 03:15:02 PM
Quote from: 979 on March 09, 2015, 01:31:29 PM
6103 - Anisha
Someone, somewhere will hate me for saying this, but "Barclaycard" is spelt wrong...
LOL! Only people who'll hate you for saying that are those who don't believe there's any importance attached to accuracy.
Oh dear. That really is quite embarrassing.
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2015, 07:04:26 PM
Registrations for the YW batch now here
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html
26 for YW? What's the PVR for the 50 then, didn't think it was that many?
4738-4762 is 25 so only one extra, and that is assuming neither 4698 or 4799 leave with the main batch which I'm hoping they wont!
Quote from: trident4370 on March 09, 2015, 07:56:43 PM
4738-4762 is 25 so only one extra, and that is assuming neither 4698 or 4799 leave with the main batch which I'm hoping they wont!
Would think that 4799 will stay at YW, if its moved to WB it could theoretically be used on the Hagley Road and i would think NE would want to avoid that!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 09, 2015, 08:23:47 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on March 09, 2015, 07:56:43 PM
4738-4762 is 25 so only one extra, and that is assuming neither 4698 or 4799 leave with the main batch which I'm hoping they wont!
Would think that 4799 will stay at YW, if its moved to WB it could theoretically be used on the Hagley Road and i would think NE would want to avoid that!
Info that's not needed but I'd thought I'd just say it, 4799 is on the 35 today.
If there are 26 MMCs due and 25 existing Enviro400s, either 4698, 4799 or one of the unbranded ex-Perry Barr vehicles will leave too, unless Yardley Wood want an extra bus. I do agree with what Stu has said about 4799 though
Well looking at the timetable - I think the PVR may be around 22/23. That only leaves 3 spare in the peaks. They may drift onto the 2/3/18/76 or 49 during the day, or the 6. Perhaps YW do just want that extra flexibility. Although I could see why they may transfer another E400 out as gives WB the chance to offload whatever they are getting rid of
Why not transfer 4732?
I Hope 6123-6148 as they are going to Yardley wood will be in the two tone silver/grey livery and branded for the route 50
Quote from: wembley86 on March 10, 2015, 06:13:08 AM
I Hope 6123-6148 as they are going to Yardley wood will be in the two tone silver/grey livery and branded for the route 50
Nothing was said about the 50 going platinum so they'll be same new livery as the 9
So here is something for you all to think about.
173 new vehicles this year, 15 E200's that leaves 158 E400MMC's. The last 58 are Platinum so that leaves 100. 22 to PN & 26 to YW. 26 E400's from YW to WB. WB have 13 Merc's & 13 Presidents. 52 new vehicles left, AG have 51 presidents. WN's Spectra's would be replaced when the Platinum vehicles arrive with re allocation of other vehicles.
Quote from: FireballXL5 on March 10, 2015, 11:39:03 AM
So here is something for you all to think about.
173 new vehicles this year, 15 E200's that leaves 158 E400MMC's. The last 58 are Platinum so that leaves 100. 22 to PN & 26 to YW. 26 E400's from YW to WB. WB have 13 Merc's & 13 Presidents. 52 new vehicles left, AG have 51 presidents. WN's Spectra's would be replaced when the Platinum vehicles arrive with re allocation of other vehicles.
There are 171 buses coming not 173. I believe cascaded Tridents are replacing Spectra'sa
Quote from: FireballXL5 on March 10, 2015, 11:39:03 AM
So here is something for you all to think about.
173 new vehicles this year, 15 E200's that leaves 158 E400MMC's. The last 58 are Platinum so that leaves 100. 22 to PN & 26 to YW. 26 E400's from YW to WB. WB have 13 Merc's & 13 Presidents. 52 new vehicles left, AG have 51 presidents. WN's Spectra's would be replaced when the Platinum vehicles arrive with re allocation of other vehicles.
You are also assuming that the remaining non confirmed new buses from the 171 on order will be double deckers....
What about the new full length enviro 200 single decker
Exactly - I'd still think we need some of the new full length Enviro 200 MMCs to replace some of the Mercs; would like to see some in action as they have a new improved suspension and the same cab as the new E400 MMC.
Whenever National Express try to do anything good, some persistant NX haters always seem to refer to 4 companies that they think are wonderful and NX should aspire to equal. One of those companies is Brighton & Hove.
Seems Brighton & Hove is not as loved in Brighton as it is in the West Midlands judging by the comments on here
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/11840378.Brighton_and_Hove_Bus_Company_battles_bargain_ticket_sellers_on_Facebook/?ref=rss
Quote from: Tony on March 10, 2015, 07:41:45 PM
Whenever National Express try to do anything good, some persistant NX haters always seem to refer to 4 companies that they think are wonderful and NX should aspire to equal. One of those companies is Brighton & Hove.
Seems Brighton & Hove is not as loved in Brighton as it is in the West Midlands judging by the comments on here
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/11840378.Brighton_and_Hove_Bus_Company_battles_bargain_ticket_sellers_on_Facebook/?ref=rss
Its funny that most of the comments there are almost exactly the same that get churned out whenever Birmingham Mail publish a bus related story on Facebook!
Quote from: Stu on March 10, 2015, 07:49:06 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 10, 2015, 07:41:45 PM
Whenever National Express try to do anything good, some persistant NX haters always seem to refer to 4 companies that they think are wonderful and NX should aspire to equal. One of those companies is Brighton & Hove.
Seems Brighton & Hove is not as loved in Brighton as it is in the West Midlands judging by the comments on here
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/11840378.Brighton_and_Hove_Bus_Company_battles_bargain_ticket_sellers_on_Facebook/?ref=rss
Its funny that most of the comments there are almost exactly the same that get churned out whenever Birmingham Mail publish a bus related story on Facebook!
That's my point! However good a company is some people will never recognise anything good it does
Yeah exactly - I've used NX 5 days a week over the last 7 years in Solihull/South Birmingham, and have never had a serious problem.
Had a few diversions (not NX fault of course) and only 4 breakdowns over the last 15 months and that's it. Drivers have always been very good; many very polite and skilful. The majority of buses are in good condition; only moan would be that it'd be nice to have some consistent paint shades for small repairs. I'd say things have improved certainly since 2012; although their decision to buy the Scanias for the 6/37 in 2010 was a good decision.
They are certainly better than other operators in the UK - First for example has a pretty old fleet in comparison - looking through one of their regional areas (York) where I may be going later this year, and barely anything in the fleet is newer than 2008 - there's a small batch of Optares from 2014, but other than that not much. Norfolk is also fairly old in comparison, with Olympians still going around there.
In comparison NX have consistently invested in the fleet; the latest orders are proof of that. They are obviously trying to give the best passenger experience possible through new buses and refurbished ones.
Quote from: Roy on March 08, 2015, 07:11:49 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 08, 2015, 06:37:22 PM
Agreed Why anyroute has branding is beyond me
Brighton and Hove branded their service 2 a couple of years ago and have said that passenger numbers have increased significantly since then and that improvements will be made to the service in April. Mind you, the branding on B&H 2 looks far better than that on NXWM 9.
I wonder how Brighton & Hove will be intending to brand these new beasts in 'luminous green' livery.....
http://circleoflondon.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/the-marmite-gemini-3.html?
Quote from: Winston on March 10, 2015, 11:21:42 PM
Quote from: Roy on March 08, 2015, 07:11:49 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 08, 2015, 06:37:22 PM
Agreed Why anyroute has branding is beyond me
Brighton and Hove branded their service 2 a couple of years ago and have said that passenger numbers have increased significantly since then and that improvements will be made to the service in April. Mind you, the branding on B&H 2 looks far better than that on NXWM 9.
I wonder how Brighton & Hove will be intending to brand these new beasts in 'luminous green' livery.....
http://circleoflondon.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/the-marmite-gemini-3.html?
I think I prefer those to the enviro 400 mmc! Although both are nice.
Quote from: Tony on March 10, 2015, 07:41:45 PM
Whenever National Express try to do anything good, some persistant NX haters always seem to refer to 4 companies that they think are wonderful and NX should aspire to equal. One of those companies is Brighton & Hove.
Seems Brighton & Hove is not as loved in Brighton as it is in the West Midlands judging by the comments on here
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/11840378.Brighton_and_Hove_Bus_Company_battles_bargain_ticket_sellers_on_Facebook/?ref=rss
I'm confused. What does the article have in it that relates to the 'New Deliveries / New Livery & Branding Discussion' ?
Also, I'm not sure quite what Brighton & Hove could be criticized for.
Now buses on the 9 are being painted red, perhaps the route should be renumbered back to 130? :-)
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on March 11, 2015, 08:02:00 AM
Now buses on the 9 are being painted red, perhaps the route should be renumbered back to 130? :-)
Not necessary
@Rhys S, what I think Mr
@Other Walsall Tony was referring to was the fact that before west midlands travel limited (ie NXWM and previous trading names) ran the 9 it used to be midland red (BMMO) running it under the number 130. Now the buses are red on it again, renumbering it 130 was suggested as a hark back to its heritage!
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 11, 2015, 10:03:18 AM
@Rhys S, what I think Mr @Other Walsall Tony was referring to was the fact that before west midlands travel limited (ie NXWM and previous trading names) ran the 9 it used to be midland red (BMMO) running it under the number 130. Now the buses are red on it again, renumbering it 130 was suggested as a hark back to its heritage!
Correct!
Has there always been so much excitement about Hagley Road upgrades?
Quote from: Matt on March 11, 2015, 07:13:29 PM
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on March 11, 2015, 07:09:07 PM
Has there always been so much excitement about Hagley Road upgrades?
Probably, but there wasn't a forum for them to express themselves on last time!
Well in 1999 I could understand (I like Presidents). 2009 there was just a glitch in the matrix but we still could read all the sightings and opinions (not keen on Enviros if there's an alternative, nor do I like the I remember when stuff but I think id blend in better if I did). I'm waiting for all 22 to be here, makes life much easier
It's absolutely crazy if NX don't start painting everything in the all over red! Does the marketing department have no idea about brand continuity? There are now going to be 4 liveries, 3 logos, 2 "West Midlands" fonts, 2 types of branding, 4+ interior designs.
When people, such as tourists, visit the website or collect the leaflets and see the red/white and blue/white buses then that's what they'll be expecting to find when they go to catch a bus!
Quote from: Oozells on March 11, 2015, 09:31:49 PM
It's absolutely crazy if NX don't start painting everything in the all over red! Does the marketing department have no idea about brand continuity? There are now going to be 4 liveries, 3 logos, 2 "West Midlands" fonts, 2 types of branding, 4+ interior designs.
When people, such as tourists, visit the website or collect the leaflets and see the red/white and blue/white buses then that's what they'll be expecting to find when they go to catch a bus!
Strange, General view of which companies are good are generally those that have multiple liveries, brandings etc
(Go-Ahead group ones, Trent, Nottingham..)
Quote from: Tony on March 11, 2015, 09:34:09 PM
Quote from: Oozells on March 11, 2015, 09:31:49 PM
It's absolutely crazy if NX don't start painting everything in the all over red! Does the marketing department have no idea about brand continuity? There are now going to be 4 liveries, 3 logos, 2 "West Midlands" fonts, 2 types of branding, 4+ interior designs.
When people, such as tourists, visit the website or collect the leaflets and see the red/white and blue/white buses then that's what they'll be expecting to find when they go to catch a bus!
Strange, General view of which companies are good are generally those that have multiple liveries, brandings etc
(Go-Ahead group ones, Trent, Nottingham..)
So why the rush to repaint the buses left in NXWM livery, surely it didn't matter.
Quote from: Tony on March 11, 2015, 09:34:09 PM
Strange, General view of which companies are good are generally those that have multiple liveries, brandings etc
(Go-Ahead group ones, Trent, Nottingham..)
But their buses are all different colours and generally match the route. We are going to have different colour buses - just because! And then different route brandings on top. Places like Nottingham also provide maps with the colour of the route and their bus stops have the number with the colour of the bus as the background. We've still not managed a colour-coded map!
It's one thing to create liveries and identities for particular routes, as for instance Trent Barton and Go North East do. It's another to have two red-based liveries for no apparent reason. And this could go on now for 15 years until the last 49xx Enviro 400s are withdrawn.
Quote from: Stevo on March 11, 2015, 10:14:10 PM
It's one thing to create liveries and identities for particular routes, as for instance Trent Barton and Go North East do. It's another to have two red-based liveries for no apparent reason. And this could go on now for 15 years until the last 49xx Enviro 400s are withdrawn.
So it is OK for Trent to buy new buses in a new livery and put them on specific routes but not for NX to do it
Quote from: Stevo on March 11, 2015, 10:14:10 PM
It's one thing to create liveries and identities for particular routes, as for instance Trent Barton and Go North East do. It's another to have two red-based liveries for no apparent reason. And this could go on now for 15 years until the last 49xx Enviro 400s are withdrawn.
The 'apparent reason' of a new livery is to highlight where the new investment has gone, most of which will be in conjunction with 'Gold Corridor' infrastructure improvements which sets the chosen routes apart from other corridors.
Even based on the previous 125 new buses per year, that implies a max vehicle life of 12 years in future. If current investment levels are maintained that will fall further.
No one had so many issues with TWM running two liveries in tandom i.e. low floor livery & red band Metrobus livery, that got really confusing when TWM started painting step entrance B10B's & Lynx in low floor livery
Quote from: Tony on March 11, 2015, 10:20:53 PM
So it is OK for Trent to buy new buses in a new livery and put them on specific routes but not for NX to do it
But that is just a specific route. These ones will be on the 9 and the 50 and then more and more slowly until NX either withdraw everything pre-2015 or they get bored of painting buses into various liveries. I can understand the express routes getting platinum and hybrid buses being green, but to have the older buses in red & white and the new ones in all red, this just creates a "Why does their route get to have these new, fancy buses, whilst I've got this faded red and grey bus...?"
Quote from: Winston on March 11, 2015, 10:30:43 PM
Quote from: Stevo on March 11, 2015, 10:14:10 PM
It's one thing to create liveries and identities for particular routes, as for instance Trent Barton and Go North East do. It's another to have two red-based liveries for no apparent reason. And this could go on now for 15 years until the last 49xx Enviro 400s are withdrawn.
The 'apparent reason' of a new livery is to highlight where the new investment has gone, most of which will be in conjunction with 'Gold Corridor' infrastructure improvements which sets the chosen routes apart from other corridors.
Even based on the previous 125 new buses per year, that implies a max vehicle life of 12 years in future. If current investment levels are maintained that will fall further.
No one had so many issues with TWM running two liveries in tandom i.e. low floor livery & red band Metrobus livery, that got really confusing when TWM started painting step entrance B10B's & Lynx in low floor livery
The way I see it, a new livery should keep the paintshop workers busy for the next couple years. lol :)
Quote from: Oozells on March 11, 2015, 10:34:37 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 11, 2015, 10:20:53 PM
So it is OK for Trent to buy new buses in a new livery and put them on specific routes but not for NX to do it
But that is just a specific route. These ones will be on the 9 and the 50 and then more and more slowly until NX either withdraw everything pre-2015 or they get bored of painting buses into various liveries. I can understand the express routes getting platinum and hybrid buses being green, but to have the older buses in red & white and the new ones in all red, this just creates a "Why does their route get to have these new, fancy buses, whilst I've got this faded red and grey bus...?"
It's much better to implement a new livery route by route, rather than having a couple of existing buses painted in the new livery each month/from each garage & dotted all over the place on various routes. Even if you start painting the existing fleet in the new colours, the faded old red & grey buses as you put will still be around for the foreseeable, as it takes time to repaint a fleet of this size.
Multi tier of standards across the network, but suppose they have to start from somewhere. Really annoys me how you get better standards of Tescos down south and crap ones with limited ranges here, some similarities ;). Only joking just bored.
Is this just NX's way of killing off the less profitable side routes by showing everyone that their exact same fare is being invested on the main road buses that are every 3-10 minutes compared to their every half an hour/hour route. Then those people will decide to walk that bit further to get a new bus whilst leaving the rest for the OAPs... until the funding gets cut and they too have to walk or just sit at home.
Quote from: Oozells on March 11, 2015, 11:23:13 PM
Is this just NX's way of killing off the less profitable side routes by showing everyone that their exact same fare is being invested on the main road buses that are every 3-10 minutes compared to their every half an hour/hour route. Then those people will decide to walk that bit further to get a new bus whilst leaving the rest for the OAPs... until the funding gets cut and they too have to walk or just sit at home.
Oh you mean the less profitable side routes such as NXC's 2 & 3 & NXWM 243/244 which are having new E200's imminently.
More of case of phased implementation, the whole fleet cannot be repainted or replaced at the drop of a hat.
Quote from: Oozells on March 11, 2015, 11:23:13 PM
Is this just NX's way of killing off the less profitable side routes by showing everyone that their exact same fare is being invested on the main road buses that are every 3-10 minutes compared to their every half an hour/hour route. Then those people will decide to walk that bit further to get a new bus whilst leaving the rest for the OAPs... until the funding gets cut and they too have to walk or just sit at home.
As long as a service is reliable and on time, I can't imagine many, if any passengers walking further to catch a new bus.
Saw 3 e200s 15 plates coming down the m6 stoke area about 0730 this morning on displaying 16e carrs lane. Just thought peeps might be interested. Standard livery
I really can't believe all this negativity about multiple fleet liverys for as long as I can remember West Midlands buses have always been a mix of old and new going back to the mid 80s, any way I think firstly vehicle presentation is more important than what livery its painted, buses being swept out at west brom bus station is an excellent idea it really does help with first impressions, when I take over the 128s in Oldbury you can tell straight away if it's been swept no crap any where, it looks decent, sometimes it's like a pig sty I,m thinking really we are charging people to sit in rubbish basically. Why doesn't dudley bus station do the same, it would make a massive improvement for dudley road buses there is ample layover time there. Let's get the basics right.
ImO main road corridor buses being in a different livery will help passengers identify them quickly, I get it all the time on the 89 when I swing the bus round at the old park hotel smethwick, drive eh this the 87 bro innit, you get me like.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 12, 2015, 08:51:56 AM
Saw 3 e200s 15 plates coming down the m6 stoke area about 0730 this morning on displaying 16e carrs lane. Just thought peeps might be interested. Standard livery
Should be Wolverhampton's 3. Two more E400MMCs have arrived / will ariive at Walsall today and be branded up today ready for service tomorrow
If the new livery is identified as being introduced in conjunction with 'gold corridors' then it would have a point. But I remain sceptical.
Quote from: Tony on March 12, 2015, 10:21:33 AM
Should be Wolverhampton's 3. Two more E400MMCs have arrived / will ariive at Walsall today and be branded up today ready for service tomorrow
hope they better than the last e200s! they rattle terribly, and drivers seem to dislike them. what services will these be used on?
Quote from: mranon on March 12, 2015, 04:37:41 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 12, 2015, 10:21:33 AM
Should be Wolverhampton's 3. Two more E400MMCs have arrived / will ariive at Walsall today and be branded up today ready for service tomorrow
hope they better than the last e200s! they rattle terribly, and drivers seem to dislike them. what services will these be used on?
243/4 thank goodness, get rid of Mercs. I believe they are the same as the previous ones
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 12, 2015, 04:39:39 PM
Quote from: mranon on March 12, 2015, 04:37:41 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 12, 2015, 10:21:33 AM
Should be Wolverhampton's 3. Two more E400MMCs have arrived / will ariive at Walsall today and be branded up today ready for service tomorrow
hope they better than the last e200s! they rattle terribly, and drivers seem to dislike them. what services will these be used on?
243/4 thank goodness, get rid of Mercs. I believe they are the same as the previous ones
WN to operate the 243/4 wow I never knew that ::)
Is there any timescale on the new MMCs getting adverts on the sides? Could NX not use this space to advertise the new buses until then?
Quote from: Tony on March 12, 2015, 10:21:33 AM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 12, 2015, 08:51:56 AM
Saw 3 e200s 15 plates coming down the m6 stoke area about 0730 this morning on displaying 16e carrs lane. Just thought peeps might be interested. Standard livery
Should be Wolverhampton's 3. Two more E400MMCs have arrived / will arrive at Walsall today and be branded up today ready for service tomorrow
Should increase my chances of catching one tomorrow then. 9 in service, for the 9. Presumably 6108, and 6109?
Quote from: Russ Smith on March 12, 2015, 05:23:29 PM
Is there any timescale on the new MMCs getting adverts on the sides? Could NX not use this space to advertise the new buses until then?
Surely a new bus in a new livery with new branding is more than enough of an advert for the new buses?
I had my first ride on one today 6102. Externally they are really impressive. I sat upstairs. Smooth ride, no rattles. I did seem internally not much different from older E400s, but the refreshed design of seats, extra leg room wee welcome additions. The new staircase was not as steep as I imagined it to be. A shame the bus was strewn with litter and cans rolling around the floors, but unfortunately that's part of modern public transport use. I also noticed that 6103 has it's Barcleycard spelling mistake corrected.
The temperature seemed perfect, but the fans were slightly on the noisy side. But apart from that I was was very impressed.
Quote from: Gareth on March 12, 2015, 08:17:16 PM
I had my first ride on one today 6102. Externally they are really impressive. I sat upstairs. Smooth ride, no rattles. I did seem internally not much different from older E400s, but the refreshed design of seats, extra leg room wee welcome additions. The new staircase was not as steep as I imagined it to be. A shame the bus was strewn with litter and cans rolling around the floors, but unfortunately that's part of modern public transport use. I also noticed that 6103 has it's Barcleycard spelling mistake corrected.
The temperature seemed perfect, but the fans were slightly on the noisy side. But apart from that I was was very impressed.
Pity the cleaners on Colmore Row couldn't be employed to give the buses a quick clean.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 12, 2015, 08:21:36 PM
Quote from: Gareth on March 12, 2015, 08:17:16 PM
I had my first ride on one today 6102. Externally they are really impressive. I sat upstairs. Smooth ride, no rattles. I did seem internally not much different from older E400s, but the refreshed design of seats, extra leg room wee welcome additions. The new staircase was not as steep as I imagined it to be. A shame the bus was strewn with litter and cans rolling around the floors, but unfortunately that's part of modern public transport use. I also noticed that 6103 has it's Barcleycard spelling mistake corrected.
The temperature seemed perfect, but the fans were slightly on the noisy side. But apart from that I was was very impressed.
Pity the cleaners on Colmore Row couldn't be employed to give the buses a quick clean.
Shouldn't need cleaners....The twits who leave the rubbish should take it with them!!!!!
Quote from: 4006 on March 13, 2015, 12:34:54 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 12, 2015, 08:21:36 PM
Quote from: Gareth on March 12, 2015, 08:17:16 PM
I had my first ride on one today 6102. Externally they are really impressive. I sat upstairs. Smooth ride, no rattles. I did seem internally not much different from older E400s, but the refreshed design of seats, extra leg room wee welcome additions. The new staircase was not as steep as I imagined it to be. A shame the bus was strewn with litter and cans rolling around the floors, but unfortunately that's part of modern public transport use. I also noticed that 6103 has it's Barcleycard spelling mistake corrected.
The temperature seemed perfect, but the fans were slightly on the noisy side. But apart from that I was was very impressed.
Pity the cleaners on Colmore Row couldn't be employed to give the buses a quick clean.
Shouldn't need cleaners....The twits who leave the rubbish should take it with them!!!!!
In an ideal world, yes
A rush bin on the bus and notice asking customers to use it!
Quote from: JoNi on March 13, 2015, 01:46:06 PM
A rush bin on the bus and notice asking customers to use it!
People will still just drop the rubbish on the floor or seat, rather than holding onto it for a few minutes and putting it in the bin. I would be rich if I had a pound for every time I've seen someone drop rubbish when in sight of a bin.
6109 in service today. Currently on it, 6101 vs. 6109 - 6109 overtook 6101, which was in front. Yes, the bell sound is nice. Though, it does have an abnormal odour - something which wasn't a problem on 6101, when I rode it...
Rubbish problem sounds like a need for bins that are more visible in colour and better communication. I was on a bus recently where the orange "Used Ticket" box had "Litter Bin" on it. Mind you I was in Pool Meadow recently when something arrived on the ground behind me from a birds sitting high up behind me. Obviously I couldn't communicate to him but a well positioned spike would cure that problem!
Quote from: clayderman on March 13, 2015, 03:00:42 PM
6109 in service today. Currently on it, 6101 vs. 6109 - 6109 overtook 6101, which was in front. Yes, the bell sound is nice. Though, it does have an abnormal odour - something which wasn't a problem on 6101, when I rode it...
I don't see why it rings twice. You press the bell and hear a faint ding ding and then a second later hear a louder ding ding
Quote from: Bryan on March 13, 2015, 02:53:25 PM
Quote from: JoNi on March 13, 2015, 01:46:06 PM
A rush bin on the bus and notice asking customers to use it!
People will still just drop the rubbish on the floor or seat, rather than holding onto it for a few minutes and putting it in the bin. I would be rich if I had a pound for every time I've seen someone drop rubbish when in sight of a bin.
Exactly. The state of the class 323s when on the Wolverhampton - Birmingham stopper emphasises this point
Quote from: NXDom on March 13, 2015, 04:27:02 PM
I don't see why it rings twice. You press the bell and hear a faint ding ding and then a second later hear a louder ding ding
That caught my attention too, why on earth does it 'ding' twice*? - carte blanche for a
real driver to go sailing past your stop!
* 'Real' Buses & crews use a code of one 'ding' to stop, two 'dings' to go/carry on ;)
Quote from: dave47549 (no longer NEL111P) on March 13, 2015, 07:51:56 PM
Quote from: NXDom on March 13, 2015, 04:27:02 PM
I don't see why it rings twice. You press the bell and hear a faint ding ding and then a second later hear a louder ding ding
That caught my attention too, why on earth does it 'ding' twice*? - carte blanche for a real driver to go sailing past your stop!
* 'Real' Buses & crews use a code of one 'ding' to stop, two 'dings' to go/carry on ;)
The faint one is most likely the sound that warns the driver that somebody wants to get off, I've experienced some drivers who have went passed a stop somebody wanted to get off at.
Quote from: dave47549 (no longer NEL111P) on March 13, 2015, 07:51:56 PM
Quote from: NXDom on March 13, 2015, 04:27:02 PM
I don't see why it rings twice. You press the bell and hear a faint ding ding and then a second later hear a louder ding ding
That caught my attention too, why on earth does it 'ding' twice*? - carte blanche for a real driver to go sailing past your stop!
* 'Real' Buses & crews use a code of one 'ding' to stop, two 'dings' to go/carry on ;)
Not quite, two was to pull away (Go), three was don't bother picking them up(Carry on)!
NXC SN15LCV 871 seen on M6 today
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204990638218086&set=gm.870484606323397&type=1&theater
Quote from: Tony on March 13, 2015, 07:54:47 PM
Not quite, two was to pull away (Go), three was don't bother picking
Hence the term three bell load - I.e the bus is full.
Talking of dings I went on one of Arriva's posh 13 reg hybrid B5/Wrights yesterday - whilst lurching down the upper deck fast approaching my stop I pressed a bell and nothing happened - a bit harder still nothing - I then twigged it didn't work and went to the next bell push which did - and I got off in time!!! I was perhaps a bit phased by the upper deck being full of school and college girls - the three uniformed trainee hairdressers on the back seat behind me having a continuous debate about how and when they considered it appropriate to have s*x ........ Extraordinary!!! Anyway I also noticed that the Wright bodywork doesn't creak or rattle - and the stanchions have a much beefier connection to the roof than the hopeless press fit things on an E200 - so bell push and clientele excepted, the Wright body seems much more robust than the Enviro (haven't been on a monopolies and mergers commission (MMC) one yet though)!!!
Could that be why they seem to pass through repaint and retrim so quickly compared with Trident/Alexander's - more robust and thus take less fixing?
Quote from: don on March 13, 2015, 08:25:57 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 13, 2015, 07:54:47 PM
Not quite, two was to pull away (Go), three was don't bother picking
Could that be why they seem to pass through repaint and retrim so quickly compared with Trident/Alexander's - more robust and thus take less fixing?
Wright's Panels basically just click off and take a loss less time to replace damaged ones than those on Alexander/Alexander Dennis products
Quote from: Tony on March 13, 2015, 08:31:49 PM
Quote from: don on March 13, 2015, 08:25:57 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 13, 2015, 07:54:47 PM
Not quite, two was to pull away (Go), three was don't bother picking
Could that be why they seem to pass through repaint and retrim so quickly compared with Trident/Alexander's - more robust and thus take less fixing?
Wright's Panels basically just click off and take a lot less time to replace damaged ones than those on Alexander/Alexander Dennis products
Thanks for the insight, Tony - It's really noticeable how much more quickly they go through the works.
I had my first ride on one today on 6109, yes the heaters were very loud but at the same time the bus wasn't too hot, it was nice and cosy but not overpowering.
how come the eviro200 that have been delivered painted in the red and white livery not the new two tone red
Read through the thread for your answer
is there a version of the new livery for coventry
Quote from: wembley86 on March 14, 2015, 06:47:26 PM
is there a version of the new livery for coventry
Not at the moment.
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on March 13, 2015, 08:22:55 PM
NXC SN15LCV 871 seen on M6 today
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204990638218086&set=gm.870484606323397&type=1&theater
Any chance of a screenshot as I can't see Facebook pages.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 14, 2015, 07:32:36 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on March 13, 2015, 08:22:55 PM
NXC SN15LCV 871 seen on M6 today
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204990638218086&set=gm.870484606323397&type=1&theater
Any chance of a screenshot as I can't see Facebook pages.
Boss:
http://malsfotofile.smugmug.com/Other-2/M6-Motorway/30654943_RHpKL3#!i=3928537656&k=kRsFB8v&lb=1&s=A
Went on one of the new E400s today. It was alright. :D
However, I came back from Halesowen on 4806, that was pretty impressive, these can shift when they (or the driver!) wants to.
Quote from: Winston on March 14, 2015, 07:41:31 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on March 14, 2015, 07:32:36 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on March 13, 2015, 08:22:55 PM
NXC SN15LCV 871 seen on M6 today
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204990638218086&set=gm.870484606323397&type=1&theater
Any chance of a screenshot as I can't see Facebook pages.
Boss:
http://malsfotofile.smugmug.com/Other-2/M6-Motorway/30654943_RHpKL3#!i=3928537656&k=kRsFB8v&lb=1&s=A
Oooh!
Oh wait, these aren't impressive?
Quote from: Matt on March 15, 2015, 10:50:36 PM
A bit off topic, but I'm on 6111 and someone has dropped a load of mini eggs on the floor and they are rolling around everywhere making a racket. Every so often one rolls to the front where I'm sat and pops out under the door. Is it bad that I find this very entertaining?
its entertaining :-)
Which depot do the new buses go to on delivery from the coachbuilders, for having fare machines fitted and being branded before they are despatched to depots' like Coventry.
Depends. There's no fixed place. This year's have already been delivered to4 different garages
Today's Metro features a full page ad for the 171 new buses.
Strangely it depicts all 171 in new liveries.
65 saloons in red
48 deckers in red and
58 deckers in pewter
So how come the saloons in the Marketing Department don't match the deliveries?
Maybe there different type of single decker hint hint
I don't know what to think about the new vehicles since I havent travelled on them yet.
However, from the images I've noticed a few things.
Regarding the livery, I think the all over red looks smart, and I'm always in favour of route branding.
However, the style that has been used makes it appear cheap and tacky in my opinion, I think that's the real problem.
And also, NXWM seem to be branding every other route in green, sort of defeating the point.
As for the new vehicles, one thing stands out compared with the previous Enviro's; The frontmost upperdeck side window is no longer designed to be openable, although there's probably a reason for this change (Like cutting manufacturing costs)
Enviro's have much better upper deck ventilation than Tridents for example. And this seems like a small step backwards in the overall vehicle design.
I do like the vehicle styling though.
Mixed reviews from me based on the photos. When I'm back in the Midlands I might have an excursion out and see if the vehicles are actually better than I've probably made out here.
Oh, so it looks like the rumours of AG getting 50 E200 MMC in the near future may well be true!
Well if that is 50 could mean some big moves on the cards
I expect the Scanias will move to WA to replace the B10s and allow the 56 reg B7s to go to Dundee in that case. Would allow the Scanias to based at WA/BY/YW/PB only, saving costs.
There's 34 Scanias at AG at the moment.
Currently 38 Eclipses at WA and 16 B10Ls (I think).
Essentially my thoughts are as follows in terms of buses required:
29 - 6
40/41 - 7
69 - 4
Then there's the 301 and 302 which need 8 and 5 buses approx. respectively. However I could see these being converted to double deck? The ex Dudley Road Geminis maybe or the ALX400s?
Then there are around 12 buses needed for the 34/38/39.
So that would mean
34/38/39 - 12
29 - 6
40/41 - 7
69 - 4
Total of 29.
34 AG Scanias would just be around enough - shouldn't need many spares with their reliability.
This all seems to work out fairly well - just a big question of if this is true and if the 301/302 goes double deck, which I could see.
I did think when I saw this elsewhere last week that it seemed odd, but without naming who and where, it was a comment by a member of NX staff. And with what looks like 65 new single deckers with 15 already in the process of delivery, the other 50 add up numbers wise. We will have to wait and see!
Quote from: Matt on March 17, 2015, 04:04:47 PM
Some weird sounds coming from 6103. Every time driver takes his foot off the gas a loud "poof-poof" noise comes from the back, bit like a steam engine actually.
They have an exhaust gas regeneration system which comes on at intervals throughout the day to meet the euro 6 standard and it is possibly this.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 17, 2015, 08:51:43 AM
Today's Metro features a full page ad for the 171 new buses.
Strangely it depicts all 171 in new liveries.
65 saloons in red
48 deckers in red and
58 deckers in pewter
So how come the saloons in the Marketing Department don't match the deliveries?
@The Real 4778 The 58 Pewter deckers are the Platinums
is it me or are these latest e200's painted in a duller shade of white?
Quote from: Alex on March 17, 2015, 08:48:23 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 17, 2015, 08:51:43 AM
Today's Metro features a full page ad for the 171 new buses.
Strangely it depicts all 171 in new liveries.
65 saloons in red
48 deckers in red and
58 deckers in pewter
So how come the saloons in the Marketing Department don't match the deliveries?
@The Real 4778 The 58 Pewter deckers are the Platinums
I guessed that. The repro on page 75 of the Metro looked more pewter to me.
So it looks as if delivery of E400 MMCs in red will be over in a few weeks when the last of YW's arrives. I was expecting this year's orders to consist mostly of these.
I might aswell add my ten pence worth, imO the livery looks far superior in the flesh as so to speak pictures just don't do it justice, as for the branding it does its job very effectively its shouting at you look at me and that's the whole point rightly or wrongly. The actual design of the livery is not a million miles away from the last metrobus twm livery, I,m sure I,ve seen some one mock one up on the enviro 400mmc, I wonder if a model could be made if enough interest, would be unique.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 17, 2015, 08:51:43 AM
Today's Metro features a full page ad for the 171 new buses.
Strangely it depicts all 171 in new liveries.
65 saloons in red
48 deckers in red and
58 deckers in pewter
So how come the saloons in the Marketing Department don't match the deliveries?
Interesting - but as you say, curious the 15 saloons delivered so far are in two different liveries from that!!
Quote from: Gareth on March 17, 2015, 10:56:26 AM
Oh, so it looks like the rumours of AG getting 50 E200 MMC in the near future may well be true!
Interesting - but AG don't have 50 single deckers currently - I wonder whether the additional buses would replace double deckers (Presidents?) and on what route (s)?
Quote from: don on March 17, 2015, 11:38:30 PM
Quote from: Gareth on March 17, 2015, 10:56:26 AM
Oh, so it looks like the rumours of AG getting 50 E200 MMC in the near future may well be true!
Interesting - but AG don't have 50 single deckers currently - I wonder whether the additional buses would replace double deckers (Presidents?) and on what route (s)?
49 is close enough :p
Quote from: uniquicity on March 17, 2015, 11:48:10 PM
Quote from: don on March 17, 2015, 11:38:30 PM
Quote from: Gareth on March 17, 2015, 10:56:26 AM
Oh, so it looks like the rumours of AG getting 50 E200 MMC in the near future may well be true!
Interesting - but AG don't have 50 single deckers currently - I wonder whether the additional buses would replace double deckers (Presidents?) and on what route (s)?
49 is close enough :p
Last time I looked they had 38 ;-)
7019-29 say hi
They have 48 - don't forget 1931 transferred out of AG to YW - that hasn't been updated on the fleetlist yet.
1932 - 1953 + 1918 = 23
7019 - 7029 = 11
2105 - 2118 = 14
Total of 48.
2120.
Goodnight.
Quote from: uniquicity on March 18, 2015, 12:44:23 AM
7019-29 say hi
Fair cop mate!! I wondered how long it would be before someone said that!!
This'll free up some buses for cascades of it happens.
I hope this rumour isn't one of those that turn out to be fact! :(
Replacing the Omnilinks and Eclipse 2s at AG with Enviro200 MMCs? The cascades will help to see off a lot of older single-decks elsewhere no doubt, but I was privately hoping for new double-decks for the 37 really.
It would mean however that there will be brand new buses on the 72 which covers parts of the 94 route. MonkeyJoe will be happy(ish) 😜
Quote from: Gareth on March 19, 2015, 12:54:47 AM
It would mean however that there will be brand new buses on the 72 which covers parts of the 94 route. MonkeyJoe will be happy(ish) 😜
From the reviews I've heard on here about the E200s, it'd be a downgrade from the Scanias and Volvos surely?! Haha
@Michael Haha - certainly would be if they're built and designed in the same way as the previous bunches! Fortunately the NX buses from now are being built at Falkirk so build quality should be better than before for the 400MMCs and the last batch of E200s.
Quote from: Gareth on March 19, 2015, 12:54:47 AM
It would mean however that there will be brand new buses on the 72 which covers parts of the 94 route. MonkeyJoe will be happy(ish) 😜
Not the part I use. Why are those routes being upgraded again possibly??
Peter Coates told a public conference yesterday that the first Platinum buses should be delivered in May. As expected, the routes are 900, 957, X51, 997, 934-936.
Quote from: Roy on March 20, 2015, 12:00:49 PM
Peter Coates told a public conference yesterday that the first Platinum buses should be delivered in May. As expected, the routes are 900, 957, X51, 997, 934-936.
Nice big allocation of high spec E400MMC's there for WA. It will be interesting to see what routes or where the other DP Gemini & leather seated E400's end up
I'd guess the Enviros will go to both PB and BC to help get to euro 4
I have a feeling their E400s may well go to BC to upgrade the Pershore/Bristol Road.
So it looks as if YW's 6148 will be followed very quickly by the first Platinum E400. Now what will that be numbered? I bet it won't be 6149. How about 3001?
Will all 58 platinum buses be needed for routes 900, 957, X51, 997, 934, 935 and 936?
Quote from: Eric Shaw on March 20, 2015, 08:39:35 PM
Will all 58 platinum buses be needed for routes 900, 957, X51, 997, 934, 935 and 936?
I should imagine so as the 900/957 needs around 16 Vehicles and I should imagine the X51/997 & 934/935/936 pvr's combined will make up the rest :)
Quote from: Matt on March 24, 2015, 09:04:54 PM
Someone was asking about 867's name, it actually is "Wiktoria"!
Polish, as per the list on the main page
Quote from: Matt on March 25, 2015, 11:11:55 PM
I have now been on all 15 of the MMCs 6101-15 8)
There supposed to be 22 aren't there?
Although I've heard rumours saying there's 24 coming
Quote from: Rhys S on March 26, 2015, 08:02:42 AM
There supposed to be 22 aren't there?
Although I've heard rumours saying there's 24 coming
I post information on the main site which the Managing Director informs everyone via his business brief as what is happening (22 to PE; 26 to YW) and people still spread silly rumours and others believe them!
Quote from: Tony on March 26, 2015, 08:13:50 AM
I post information on the main site which the Managing Director informs everyone via his business brief as what is happening (22 to PE; 26 to YW) and people still spread silly rumours and others believe them!
Tony I was believing them I was asking if there was any truth in it
6123 seen in Kings Heath heading towards Yardley Wood
Quote from: Rhys S on March 26, 2015, 08:19:38 AM
Tony I was believing them I was asking if there was any truth in it
Well stop believing them! ;)
Quote from: filbus1 on March 26, 2015, 09:26:44 AM
6123 seen in Kings Heath heading towards Yardley Wood
What's the betting the branding will be blue. I reckon it would look good.
Quote from: Rhys S on March 26, 2015, 08:19:38 AM
Tony I was believing them I was asking if there was any truth in it
@Tony @Rhys S The 24 came from the Stourbridge Chronicle who published an article last weekend saying that PE were to receive 24, and as usual they get it wrong!
6116,6117 and 6122 now at WA
Quote from: Tony on March 26, 2015, 08:13:50 AM
I post information on the main site which the Managing Director informs everyone via his business brief as what is happening (22 to PE; 26 to YW) and people still spread silly rumours and others believe them!
Boss, the MD's brief hasn't got through to NXWM's own webmaster, as their own website claims 24 E400MMC's are coming for the 9
Quote from: Winston on March 28, 2015, 12:43:39 AM
Boss, the MD's brief hasn't got through to NXWM's own webmaster, as their own website claims 24 E400MMC's are coming for the 9
So, I wasn't going mad. I had also read 24 buses on the NX Site, but they have seemed to changed now. ;)
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/new-buses-on-the-9?utm_source=homebanner&utm_campaign=new-buses-on-the-9&utm_medium=image
Quote from: nxbus.co.uk
During the month a total of 22 brand new double decker buses will arrive at our garage in Pensnett with 15 vehicles branded for route 9. The other 7 buses will be used to support the 9 and other main routes connecting the Black Country to Birmingham via the Hagley Road.
Quote from: clayderman on March 28, 2015, 03:15:35 PM
So, I wasn't going mad. I had also read 24 buses on the NX Site, but they have seemed to changed now. ;)
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/new-buses-on-the-9?utm_source=homebanner&utm_campaign=new-buses-on-the-9&utm_medium=image
It was £5 million investment last night, that's now changed to £4 million ;)
Quote from: Winston on March 28, 2015, 03:22:28 PM
It was £5 million investment last night, that's now changed to £4 million ;)
By Tuesday night it will be £1 million pounds investment.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/regions-first-new-look-buses-come-to-the-hagley-road still 24 and £5m on my browser?
Quote from: bususer12 on March 29, 2015, 04:21:49 PM
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/regions-first-new-look-buses-come-to-the-hagley-road still 24 and £5m on my browser?
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/new-buses-on-the-9?utm_source=homebanner&utm_campaign=new-buses-on-the-9&utm_medium=image
So Yardley Garage's MMC's are now arriving on site which will take us towards 50 new DD vehicles under this years new vehicle order. Do we know where next for MMC's or is that decision still to be made public? Are any new E200's going to be delivered in a SD variant of the new livery!
Quote from: RW on April 05, 2015, 12:52:28 PM
So Yardley Garage's MMC's are now arriving on site which will take us towards 50 new DD vehicles under this years new vehicle order. Do we know where next for MMC's or is that decision still to be made public? Are any new E200's going to be delivered in a SD variant of the new livery!
The next batch of 400MMCs allocations has yet to be made public. The E200MMCs are going to be Crimson
Not sure but I'm sure it will be routes that have already had recent investments. Sorry couldn't resist.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 05, 2015, 02:37:37 PM
Not sure but I'm sure it will be routes that have already had recent investments. Sorry couldn't resist.
From multiple sources, I am almost certain the E200MMCs will be going to AG, for the 37 & 71/72(?)
Quote from: clayderman on April 05, 2015, 03:01:37 PM
From multiple sources, I am almost certain the E200MMCs will be going to AG, for the 37 & 71/72(?)
Makes Sense. That could displace Omnilinks to WA to see off their B7RLE's to Dundee (To join 1787 which is supposedly transferring according to that sheet posted on Facebook (before being deleted)
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 05, 2015, 02:37:37 PM
Not sure but I'm sure it will be routes that have already had recent investments. Sorry couldn't resist.
Oh yes, Routes in East Birmingham getting more new investment.
Tony, are you able yet to confirm that AG are getting 50 new Enviro200 MMCs?
I don't mind rumours being spread if it's stated its actually a rumour, but a couple of people on my Facebook page seem to be spreading this as a fact.
Quote from: Matt on April 05, 2015, 04:45:16 PM
I thought it was confirmed ages ago they are for the 37
No, the original rumour here was E400 MMCs for the 37.
The latest rumour is that all of AG's singles will be replaced with E200 MMCs, thus upgrading the 37, 71 and 72 at the same time.
Quote from: Tony on April 05, 2015, 12:57:18 PM
The next batch of 400MMCs allocations has yet to be made public. The E200MMCs are going to be Crimson
Thanks for the info Tony. Crimson! Does that mean the E200's will be a 'single' colour, not a scaled down 2 tone livery?
Quote from: RW on April 05, 2015, 07:04:24 PM
Thanks for the info Tony. Crimson! Does that mean the E200's will be a 'single' colour, not a scaled down 2 tone livery?
Management are calling the new two tone livery 'Crimson'
Seeing as PE and (I think WB) still still operate Benzs, shouldn't they be the first candidates to get the new Enviro 200 MMC as opposed to Acocks Green whose B7RLE and Omnilinks are comparatively much newer ?! Just a thought
@BusFan unless Pensnett are to get the Urbans as replacement?
Quote from: the trainbasher on April 05, 2015, 07:13:35 PM
@BusFan unless Pensnett are to get the Urbans as replacement?
I for 1 hope they get cascaded down, I prefer the newer buses and I was surprised to learn that Benzs are still in service
Rather have B7Lres at Walsall than Scanias personally.
They look cramped inside.
Quote from: Tony on April 05, 2015, 03:05:01 PM
Oh yes, Routes in East Birmingham getting more new investment.
If it's the 37,71 & 72. Further verifies the point I made about same old routes getting the investment.
Hang on - the 71/72 run through east Birmingham ::)
The 94 has got refurbished Geminis working on - with the 55, 55A and 17 all having Scanias refurbished to a very high standard. The 14 now has refurbished Tridents operating on it The 59 has 2012 reg Wright Eclipse Urbans working on it, and the 11 is likely to become all refurbished Geminis in the near future.
I hardly call that a lack of investment for East Birmingham - fine the 97 has not been upgraded but I am sure at some point it will - NX can't upgrade every route at the same time. If they were willing to put new Scanias on in 2008, I'm sure they'd try recent/new buses on the 97.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 05, 2015, 11:28:40 PM
If it's the 37,71 & 72. Further verifies the point I made about same old routes getting the investment.
We've only had the new plastic on the 71 for about ten minutes. 2112 and its ilk. Quite frankly they don't need replacement for ages. It's not like the route has any true modal competition for the epic road-trip it takes between Sutton and Solihull. No-one with a car would use it from choice, and by train you'd go via Birmingham, so it's not like it can attract many more than the pretty healthy loadings it already has.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on April 06, 2015, 07:47:31 AM
We've only had the new plastic on the 71 for about ten minutes. 2112 and its ilk. Quite frankly they don't need replacement for ages. It's not like the route has any true modal competition for the epic road-trip it takes between Sutton and Solihull. No-one with a car would use it from choice, and by train you'd go via Birmingham, so it's not like it can attract many more than the pretty healthy loadings it already has.
Except the 71/72 does have quite good competition (in terms of frequency) between Solihull and Chelmsley. Don't forget these decisions about new buses are not always made on the route they're going on.
Politics may also play a part - both in terms of the Lode Lane works with Solihull Council and internally (would AG have had any new buses otherwise?)
The likely move is that Scanias will move to WA to replace the B7s and B10s, Scanias being in theory the only vehicle able to negotiate the bridge by Bradford Place, in turn upgrading a number of local Walsall services whilst standardising vehicle types. The B7s at AG may we'll end up at PE, WN or CV to replace Mercs there again whilst standardising vehicle types.
Of course the above are guesses, but Im just trying to show that the decision may be influenced more by the cascades than anything else.
Quote from: notepanel on April 06, 2015, 11:15:51 AM
Except the 71/72 does have quite good competition (in terms of frequency) between Solihull and Chelmsley. Don't forget these decisions about new buses are not always made on the route they're going on.
Politics may also play a part - both in terms of the Lode Lane works with Solihull Council and internally (would AG have had any new buses otherwise?)
The likely move is that Scanias will move to WA to replace the B7s and B10s, Scanias being in theory the only vehicle able to negotiate the bridge by Bradford Place, in turn upgrading a number of local Walsall services whilst standardising vehicle types. The B7s at AG may we'll end up at PE, WN or CV to replace Mercs there again whilst standardising vehicle types.
Of course the above are guesses, but Im just trying to show that the decision may be influenced more by the cascades than anything else.
WN no longer have Mercs. WN only need to replace 14 Spectra's and 11 B6's (508 and 638 have died and 582 I'm told will no longer enter service)
Quote from: notepanel on April 06, 2015, 11:15:51 AM
The likely move is that Scanias will move to WA to replace the B7s and B10s, Scanias being in theory the only vehicle able to negotiate the bridge by Bradford Place, in turn upgrading a number of local Walsall services whilst standardising vehicle types. The B7s at AG may we'll end up at PE, WN or CV to replace Mercs there again whilst standardising vehicle types.
I presume by 'B7' you mean the Wright Eclipse B7RLEs; AG also have two types of B7TL (Wright Gemini and Plaxton President). ;)
It is definitely politics. I am glad the points I make resonate with people, however with reference to my point about Same old routes get the investment. That point was made in isolation and made no reference to to East Birmingham or the 94/97 bla bla. The fact this statement had synergies between other points/moans I have made earlier, I can't really help that.
I was stating a fact that the same routes get investment time and time again. i.e routes after 5 years and other not for over 12 years ++. I only really think about it a bit like a Tory government looking out for the middle classes etc. Un equal distribution of wealth, NXWM un equal distribution of resource. I am well aware some routes are more profitable than others, but at the end of the day they all contribute (some more than others yes I know). Spending and resource really needs to start reflecting this.
On the other hand their is nothing wrong with a bit of debate on these threads make things a bit different rather than hearing about a bus was late or a Trident was used instead of a Volvo.
The point about India, hardly comparable as we in a totally different economy with totally differing levels of infrastructure behind the public transport network. Again could be some distribution of resource synergies to be made here. However I have not been so cannot confirm.
I am only typing this because I am procrastinating on stuff I need to do for work. If you still reading. Happy days let the debates still flourish. Peace out.
:) ;) :D
You may find that there are existing quality partnership agreements in place that dictate why certain routes have to have their fleets updated more frequently than others, hence why the same old appear to keep getting the new fleets. Other factors such as which routes will provide the most passenger growth from having a new fleet, what the competition are doing and the NXWM / Centro Partnership agreement for introduction of Gold Corridors are dictating where the remainder of the new fleet is going. All the 9--- series limited stop services appear to be being upgraded to Platinum, most already have buses on them no older the 2-4 years old, but the new Platinum's will offer a different level of passenger comfort & other extra features. Newish buses made surplus from those routes will be used to upgrade other routes elsewhere. There is always limit to how many new buses that NX can buy each financial year & how many routes that can be upgraded.
Going forward for East Birmingham, the 14, 94 & 97 will all have to be re-equipped with either new or a newer fleet within the next two years, as the buses used on both of those routes will not comply with the new min Euro 4 emission ruling within B'ham City Centre come May 2017. The same will also apply to Pershore Rd (45/47) & Bristol Rd services (61/63), those routes haven't had a new fleet for some years as well.
As a frequent traveler of the 97 bus, I'm in two minds about seeing it upgraded. I still remember going to secondary school catching the 97 (And the 96, Good Ol Days), They had Tridents then and it's still the same fast forward me nearly finishing off uni. You'd think 1 of BC's most frequent bus routes deserves this much and I reckon it deserves an upgrade onto the MMC or at the very least Enviro 400s. Tridents has always struck me as reliable buses seeing as they're so abundant within the fleet.
I can't be the only person who thinks the 11A/C requires new buses and some good branding ?! You'd think NXWM's longest route and probably best known deserves something better than some old unreliable Plaxton's (Which I weirdly like). I was quite the fan when they had the Geminis branded for the route and the branding consisted of the driver side depicting a large circle with the areas around it.
Quote from: BusFan on April 06, 2015, 08:33:53 PM
As a frequent traveler of the 97 bus, I'm in two minds about seeing it upgraded. I still remember going to secondary school catching the 97 (And the 96, Good Ol Days), They had Tridents then and it's still the same fast forward me nearly finishing off uni. You'd think 1 of BC's most frequent bus routes deserves this much and I reckon it deserves an upgrade onto the MMC or at the very least Enviro 400s. Tridents has always struck me as reliable buses seeing as they're so abundant within the fleet.
I can't be the only person who thinks the 11A/C requires new buses and some good branding ?! You'd think NXWM's longest route and probably best known deserves something better than some old unreliable Plaxton's (Which I weirdly like). I was quite the fan when they had the Geminis branded for the route and the branding consisted of the driver side depicting a large circle with the areas around it.
Well it does seem likely that when the Dudley Road E400's come from YW, 4700-4717 will be transferred to AG to make the Outer Circle Gemini operated.
Quote from: Nathan on April 06, 2015, 08:37:31 PM
Well it does seem likely that when the Dudley Road E400's come from YW, 4700-4717 will be transferred to AG to make the Outer Circle Gemini operated.
Where do we think that the Presidents would go to if this happened?
They'd need more than 18 Geminis to make the outer circle fully Gemini operated
Surely it makes more sense (if any Gemini's were to leave WB) for it to be 4503-4514, 4521-4522
Can someone recap for me please;
How many E200MMC's are AG getting and if it gets rid of their B7RLE allocation where will they go and will they lose any Scanias to anywhere?
Yes I'm hinting at BC getting the Scanias back for a while (won't happen)
Yes, sorry for asking but I've lost track of this thread and crap posts seem to clog up the pages again...
Quote from: Liverpool Street on April 06, 2015, 09:22:40 PM
Can someone recap for me please;
How many E200MMC's are AG getting and if it gets rid of their B7RLE allocation where will they go and will they lose any Scanias to anywhere?
Yes I'm hinting at BC getting the Scanias back for a while (won't happen)
Yes, sorry for asking but I've lost track of this thread and crap posts seem to clog up the pages again...
Tbh i am totally confused to, has it been officially annouced that AG are getting these buses or is it still speculation?
Somebody on Facebook has been going on about that AG will get Enviro 200 MMC's for the 37 which are to come by Summer. To be honest I think that is just a lie because Tony would've probably told us and there would probably be some news about it.
I'm losing interest in the new acquisitions, for me the last good buses were the euro 4 enviros.
@Liverpool Street Basically rumour has it that AG might get 50 Enviro 200 MMCs, replacing the entire fleet of Wright Eclipse IIs there and Scania Omnilinks. The Scanias would likely go to WA, replacing the B10s there and some of the Wright Eclipse Is, which would likely go to Dundee. The Eclipse IIs would probably go to PE, allowing the withdrawal of the last Mercs there, although of course they could go to Coventry, to replace Mercs there.
Hope that makes it clear - all rumour at the moment ;)
AG would have enough Geminis for the 11 probably if the WB examples moved there. The extra amount will allow the Geminis to work the 11, 31 and 5, which would need 59 Geminis - the 5 needs 8, the 31 needs 7, and the 11 I think is 44. AG currently has 49 Geminis, although that doesn't include the likes of 4516, 4514, 4523 that are moving to AG. If AG can get around 60+ Geminis it will allow the 11, 31 and 5 to Gemini operated. The 5 needs the Geminis for a bridge on the route, which Plaxtons have an issue with I believe.
Quote from: Liberator9 on April 06, 2015, 09:42:50 PM
@Liverpool Street
Basically rumour has it that AG might get 50 Enviro 200 MMCs, replacing the entire fleet of Wright Eclipse IIs there and Scania Omnilinks. The Scanias would likely go to WA, replacing the B10s there and some of the Wright Eclipse Is, which would likely go to Dundee. The Eclipse IIs would probably go to PE, allowing the withdrawal of the last Mercs there, although of course they could go to Coventry, to replace Mercs there.
Hope that makes it clear - all rumour at the moment ;)
AG would have enough Geminis for the 11 probably if the WB examples moved there. The extra amount will allow the Geminis to work the 11, 31 and 5, which would need 59 Geminis - the 5 needs 8, the 31 needs 7, and the 11 I think is 44. AG currently has 49 Geminis, although that doesn't include the likes of 4516, 4514, 4523 that are moving to AG. If AG can get around 60+ Geminis it will allow the 11, 31 and 5 to Gemini operated. The 5 needs the Geminis for a bridge on the route, which Plaxtons have an issue with I believe.
That's all fine and dandy but correct me if I'm wrong, AG has the largest allocation of Plaxton's so where will they go ?! I'm surmising some would stay as they may be needed for the 73
Quote from: BusFan on April 06, 2015, 09:48:25 PM
That's all fine and dandy but correct me if I'm wrong, AG has the largest allocation of Plaxton's so where will they go ?! I'm surmising some would stay as they may be needed for the 73
Remember, after the Spectras, the Plaxtons will be the next deckers that will need to be withdrawn. Some will maybe stay at AG for the 73, but the majority i say will be withdrawn, unless?!
Tbh the numbers add up:
22 Enviro 400 MMC's for PE
26 Enviro 400 MMC's for YW
58 Platinum Spec Enviro 400 MMC's split between WA and BC
15 Enviro 200 Single Deckers split between PE (7), CV (5), and WN (3)
That's makes 121 buses
If there were 50 E200 MMC's for AG then that makes 171 buses.
Whether all 50 are for AG, I'm not sure.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 06, 2015, 09:55:57 PM
Remember, after the Spectras, the Plaxtons will be the next deckers that will need to be withdrawn. Some will maybe stay at AG for the 73, but the majority i say will be withdrawn, unless?!
PE for the 246 maybe? Tony did say "You may be surprised"
Seen here:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1937.msg136274#msg136274
Quote from: Nathan on April 06, 2015, 09:57:39 PM
PE for the 246 maybe?
possible, the thought did cross my mind, however with the limited time till they are withdrawn, the type never been used at PE before, and the fact that the 9 is going to become more reliant on Tridents, i dismissed the idea.
Well NX will be trying to cut down the Plaxton fleet no doubt, considering they are getting older now and thus not as efficient as the newer vehicles. Presidents will likely stay in the short term on the 73 and 1 probably until there are more double decks to replace them.
I personally think the new Enviro 200MMC should go to Pensnett or Coventry as to replace the mercs there as opposed to Acocks Green where they'll replace B7RLE's which are fairly new and may be some Presidents should transfer to Wolverhampton to faze out their Spectras ?!
I'll have to make my way down their 1 day to grab a shot before they go !
Is it even confirmed that NX will be having E200MMC's this year?
Quote from: BusFan on April 06, 2015, 10:45:02 PM
I personally think the new Enviro 200MMC should go to Pensnett or Coventry as to replace the mercs there as opposed to Acocks Green where they'll replace B7RLE's which are fairly new and may be some Presidents should transfer to Wolverhampton to faze out their Spectras ?!
I'll have to make my way down their 1 day to grab a shot before they go !
SPECTRAS ARE THE SAME AS PRESIDENTS ARNT THEY
Quote from: BusFan on April 06, 2015, 08:33:53 PM
As a frequent traveler of the 97 bus, I'm in two minds about seeing it upgraded. I still remember going to secondary school catching the 97 (And the 96, Good Ol Days), They had Tridents then and it's still the same fast forward me nearly finishing off uni. You'd think 1 of BC's most frequent bus routes deserves this much and I reckon it deserves an upgrade onto the MMC or at the very least Enviro 400s. Tridents has always struck me as reliable buses seeing as they're so abundant within the fleet.
I can't be the only person who thinks the 11A/C requires new buses and some good branding ?! You'd think NXWM's longest route and probably best known deserves something better than some old unreliable Plaxton's (Which I weirdly like). I was quite the fan when they had the Geminis branded for the route and the branding consisted of the driver side depicting a large circle with the areas around it.
Yes seem to have forgotten that the 97 has had a brand new fleet during the period you quote i.e. 57 plate Scania Omnilinks from Lea Hall (1788-1820) for circa 2.5 years, it only reverted to the Tridents on the route transferring to BC due to the closure of LH.
The Outer Circle will be low priority for new buses until after all high frequency B'ham City Centre services are SQPS compliant i.e. min Euro 4
Quote from: Rhys S on April 06, 2015, 10:48:02 PM
SPECTRAS ARE THE SAME AS PRESIDENTS ARNT THEY
Nothing at all alike
Quote from: BusFan on April 06, 2015, 10:45:02 PM
I personally think the new Enviro 200MMC should go to Pensnett or Coventry as to replace the mercs there as opposed to Acocks Green where they'll replace B7RLE's which are fairly new and may be some Presidents should transfer to Wolverhampton to faze out their Spectras ?!
I'll have to make my way down their 1 day to grab a shot before they go !
Spectra replacements appear to be Tridents from WA (I'd imagine the rest of WA's Tridents will move to WN when all the recent moves happen plus when WA get their Platinums)
Quote from: NXDom on April 06, 2015, 10:47:08 PM
Is it even confirmed that NX will be having E200MMC's this year?
Judging by a comment made by Tony that the new E200MMC's will have 'Crimson' livery I think that confirms it
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=3636.msg139093#msg139093
Quote from: Rhys S on April 06, 2015, 10:48:02 PM
SPECTRAS ARE THE SAME AS PRESIDENTS ARNT THEY
No Rhys, the Spectras were manufactured by Optare whilst the Presidents were a Plaxton product.
Something just occurred to me. Isn't the Enviro 200 the shorter "midi" bus and the Enviro 300 the longer single decker bus ?! Have they made these Enviro 200 MMC models longer otherwise, replacing full length B7RLE or OmniLinks with a "midi" bus seems illogical.
@BusFan http://www.alexander-dennis.com/wp-content/files_mf/1415203579Enviro200Specification.pdf
Quote from: BusFan on April 06, 2015, 10:59:06 PM
Something just occurred to me. Isn't the Enviro 200 the shorter "midi" bus and the Enviro 300 the longer single decker bus ?! Have they made these Enviro 200 MMC models longer otherwise, replacing full length B7RLE or OmniLinks with a "midi" bus seems illogical.
Yes, the new Long Wheelbase E200MMC (11.8M model) has 46 seats.
Proof:
http://www.route-one.net/vehicles/adl-unveils-new-enviro200/
Quote from: BusFan on April 06, 2015, 10:59:06 PM
Something just occurred to me. Isn't the Enviro 200 the shorter "midi" bus and the Enviro 300 the longer single decker bus ?! Have they made these Enviro 200 MMC models longer otherwise, replacing full length B7RLE or OmniLinks with a "midi" bus seems illogical.
They have introduced a longer model which is why there is no E300MMC - the E200MMC has a B45F variation
Quote from: Winston on April 06, 2015, 03:18:49 PM
You may find that there are existing quality partnership agreements in place that dictate why certain routes have to have their fleets updated more frequently than others, hence why the same old appear to keep getting the new fleets. Other factors such as which routes will provide the most passenger growth from having a new fleet, what the competition are doing and the NXWM / Centro Partnership agreement for introduction of Gold Corridors are dictating where the remainder of the new fleet is going. All the 9--- series limited stop services appear to be being upgraded to Platinum, most already have buses on them no older the 2-4 years old, but the new Platinum's will offer a different level of passenger comfort & other extra features. Newish buses made surplus from those routes will be used to upgrade other routes elsewhere. There is always limit to how many new buses that NX can buy each financial year & how many routes that can be upgraded.
Going forward for East Birmingham, the 14, 94 & 97 will all have to be re-equipped with either new or a newer fleet within the next two years, as the buses used on both of those routes will not comply with the new min Euro 4 emission ruling within B'ham City Centre come May 2017. The same will also apply to Pershore Rd (45/47) & Bristol Rd services (61/63), those routes haven't had a new fleet for some years as well.
Thinking aloud, now the E400 MMC's have arrived at Yardley Wood this releases newer Enviro 400's that could be released to Central to allow some of the current stock on Pershore Road/Bristol Road to be dispersed elsewhere (e.g. West Brom/Pensnett?) The "Platinum" vehicles on the 900/957 will allow very new E400's to be released and further more elderly vehicles to be transferred away.
The SQBP in the City Centre means that Birmingham will probably continue to receive the newest vehicles, either until the fleet catches up with the latest emission regulations, or another authority decides to implement an SQBP in its boundaries.
Bristol Road probably will never get brand new vehicles, owing to the Cross City line. It is busy, but the rate of return in any business case for NXWM will be stronger where there is no rail competition, or where there is bus priority, or where there is a rapid way into and out of the city.
The E400s from YW are going to WB, not Central, to run the Dudley Road services. I expect the Platinums arriving on the 900/957 will allow either the Pershore or Bristol Road to be upgraded, or the 97 perhaps.
Why does everything have to be a secret, leading to rumours/guesswork, rather than having a clear positive vision for deployment of the fleet for the future in tandem with an ongoing refurbishment programme?
Quote from: JoNi on April 07, 2015, 07:54:03 PM
Why does everything have to be a secret, leading to rumours/guesswork, rather than having a clear positive vision for deployment of the fleet for the future in tandem with an ongoing refurbishment programme?
Because certain things are commercially sensitive
Quote from: JoNi on April 07, 2015, 07:54:03 PM
Why does everything have to be a secret, leading to rumours/guesswork, rather than having a clear positive vision for deployment of the fleet for the future in tandem with a ongoing refurbishment programme?
There is a very clear vision for deployment of the fleet which I have a copy of from the beginning of the year, that says what vehicle types will be at what garages at the end of the year (not actual fleetnumbers). There is also another document saying which vehicles are expected to be refurbished during the whole year that does include fleetnumbers. Bu no other industry, other than transport, do people expect companies to disclose their plans for there assetts in advance.
Do the rail leasing companies disclose future deals with ToCs for moving stock to different services? Not unless they have to when someone at the DfT or the losing company leaks info to the press.
The DfT has more leaks than Wikileaks!
With localism rampant there was a leak/comment in the press the DfT might be on borrowed time!
Amazing how in other parts of the country operators in competitive situations have route led investment. An example is Trent buying new vehicles for the Red Arrow. Operators even run demonstrators to get feedback from customers and staff before deciding what to buy.
Quote from: JoNi on April 07, 2015, 08:32:20 PM
With localism rampant there was a leak/comment in the press the DfT might be on borrowed time!
Amazing how in other parts of the country operators in competitive situations have route led investment. An example is Trent buying new vehicles for the Red Arrow. Operators even run demonstrators to get feedback from customers and staff before deciding what to buy.
What do you mean 'in other parts of the country'? it is generally the rule of all the big operators or haven't you noticed.
22 new buses in March for 9
26 new buses in April for 50
5 new buses in Coventry - all on the same route!
National Express didn't state a list of routes and cities they were investing in for their customers by buying new vehicles and also stating those that would receive cascaded vehicles.
Name another company that has bought new vehicles for routes only to cascade them on a year later wasting money on the branding that is going to thrown in the bin as is going to happen on the 900/957.
Quote from: the trainbasher on April 07, 2015, 08:10:45 PM
The DfT has more leaks than Wikileaks!
Not really. Although it has been known to meddle a fair bit.
Tony's point is right though. The train companies play their cards very close to their chest. And why wouldn't they, when their assets are worth millions.
Debate i like it. Keep it coming.
Quote from: JoNi on April 07, 2015, 09:02:55 PM
National Express didn't state a list of routes and cities they were investing in for their customers by buying new vehicles and also stating those that would receive cascaded vehicles.
Yes they have, plenty of local press coverage about the new buses and where they are going
Quote from: JoNi on April 07, 2015, 09:02:55 PM
Name another company that has bought new vehicles for routes only to cascade them on a year later wasting money on the branding that is going to thrown in the bin as is going to happen on the 900/957.
Stagecoach have quite often, and it will be 2 years since the 900/957 were branded to replaced!
Quote from: JoNi on April 07, 2015, 09:02:55 PM
National Express didn't state a list of routes and cities they were investing in for their customers by buying new vehicles and also stating those that would receive cascaded vehicles.
Name another company that has bought new vehicles for routes only to cascade them on a year later wasting money on the branding that is going to thrown in the bin as is going to happen on the 900/957.
There are plenty of current and recent examples in Rail.
It may seem short-termist to casual observers, but it forms part of the deployment of a bigger plan.
Plus of course, would you really tell your competitors what you are up to?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 07, 2015, 09:14:53 PM
Plus of course, would you really tell your competitors what you are up to?
Of course not!
We certainly don't - do people think this is communist Russia!
Quote from: JoNi on April 07, 2015, 08:32:20 PM
With localism rampant there was a leak/comment in the press the DfT might be on borrowed time!
Amazing how in other parts of the country operators in competitive situations have route led investment. An example is Trent buying new vehicles for the Red Arrow. Operators even run demonstrators to get feedback from customers and staff before deciding what to buy.
Unless anyone knows differently, those Red Arrow coaches are the only new vehicles Trent has on order thus far this year. They also haven't been ordering many new vehicles each of the last few years either.
Quote from: JoNi on April 07, 2015, 09:02:55 PM
National Express didn't state a list of routes and cities they were investing in for their customers by buying new vehicles and also stating those that would receive cascaded vehicles.
Name another company that has bought new vehicles for routes only to cascade them on a year later wasting money on the branding that is going to thrown in the bin as is going to happen on the 900/957.
NX don't need to disclose their plans, six/twelve months in advance, they are announcing their investment on a route by route basis to good PR effect.
The new Platinum spec buses for the 900/957 are completely different to existing branded buses, they will be moved on to other routes to the benefit of passengers elsewhere
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 07, 2015, 09:07:11 PM
Debate i like it. Keep it coming.
I agree, makes a refreshing change....
Quote from: JoNi on April 07, 2015, 09:02:55 PM
National Express didn't state a list of routes and cities they were investing in for their customers by buying new vehicles and also stating those that would receive cascaded vehicles.
Name another company that has bought new vehicles for routes only to cascade them on a year later wasting money on the branding that is going to thrown in the bin as is going to happen on the 900/957.
And for a specific example of another operator spending a lot more money than NX on Vinyls that last for two years
Reading Buses..............
Gas Powered 423-429 - delivered in April 2014 in Pink - repainted in Generic livery (423) and Leopard livery (424-429) - before even entering service in June 2014
Gas Powered 430/431 - delivered in March 2014 - in Lime Green - repainted in PINK in July 2014
Gas Powered 416/417 - entered service in May 2013 -in Scarlet Red - repainted in PINK in July 2014 !
Note how 4 buses which hadn't even entered service were repainted out of PINK in June 2014 only for 4 identical vehicles (2 just over a year old, and two 4-month's old) were painted in the same pink livery in July (only a month later)
seeing as you asked!
In reality, i doubt that branding is all that expensive anyway, it is just the damage to paint work when it is removed.
To me a route like the 900, (which services Birmingham Airport), should have the best buses possible. It will possibly be some visitors first sight of a Birmingham bus, do you really want them to be given a bad impression!!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 07, 2015, 09:55:56 PM
In reality, i doubt that branding is all that expensive anyway, it is just the damage to paint work when it is removed.
To me a route like the 900, (which services Birmingham Airport), should have the best buses possible. It will possibly be some visitors first sight of a Birmingham bus, do you really want them to be given a bad impression!!
Good point. I am actually really happy about Platinum as it will serve good to visitors and give a good impression of buses rather then just getting a bus with rubbish livery.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 07, 2015, 09:55:56 PM
In reality, i doubt that branding is all that expensive anyway, it is just the damage to paint work when it is removed.
To me a route like the 900, (which services Birmingham Airport), should have the best buses possible. It will possibly be some visitors first sight of a Birmingham bus, do you really want them to be given a bad impression!!
Let's hope they don't get on the 97 by mistake. lol.
From my recollection Trent have introduced new vehicles on Rainbow/rapid one, Skylink, Rushcliffe Greens, H1, before that on Threes and i4.
The Sixes north of Derby amongst other routes have benefited from cascaded vehicles fully refurbished to meet the needs of a specific route and fitted with power points for mobile phones making them as good as new.
Trent is less than a tenth of the size of NXWM, so you would expect relative smaller investment levels.
I've never seen a Trent bus with paint peeling and large areas of bare metal, or different seat moquette in the same vehicle whatever it's age and their standards mean in all likelihood I never will.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 07, 2015, 10:11:37 PM
Let's hope they don't get on the 97 by mistake. lol.
The airport should probably support Platinum.
Quote from: JoNi on April 07, 2015, 10:13:20 PM
From my recollection Trent have introduced new vehicles on Rainbow/rapid one, Skylink, Rushcliffe Greens, H1, before that on Threes and i4.
The Sixes north of Derby amongst other routes have benefited from cascaded vehicles fully refurbished to meet the needs of a specific route and fitted with power points for mobile phones making them as good as new.
Trent is less than a tenth of the size of NXWM, so you would expect relative smaller investment levels.
I've never seen a Trent bus with paint peeling and large areas of bare metal, or different seat moquette in the same vehicle whatever it's age and their standards mean in all likelihood I never will.
I presume you haven't ever looked too closely at the Notts & Derby Subsiduary then! Or is it OK just to put all your nails under a different name. The B10Bs and Olympians are not in their prime regularly have odd panels & odd seats in them
Quote from: JoNi on April 07, 2015, 10:13:20 PM
From my recollection Trent have introduced new vehicles on Rainbow/rapid one, Skylink, Rushcliffe Greens, H1, before that on Threes and i4.
The Sixes north of Derby amongst other routes have benefited from cascaded vehicles fully refurbished to meet the needs of a specific route and fitted with power points for mobile phones making them as good as new.
Trent is less than a tenth of the size of NXWM, so you would expect relative smaller investment levels.
I've never seen a Trent bus with paint peeling and large areas of bare metal, or different seat moquette in the same vehicle whatever it's age and their standards mean in all likelihood I never will.
Smaller companies can require higher standards because it is easier for them to achieve them.
If a NXWM bus requires a change of seat cushion, would you really take it out of service whilst awaiting the correct moquette to arrive, or would you replace it with a different moquette that is in stock and get it back on the road earning money asap!
If Trent took over NEs operations, would things change for the better, i doubt it!
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on April 07, 2015, 07:04:53 PM
The SQBP in the City Centre means that Birmingham will probably continue to receive the newest vehicles, either until the fleet catches up with the latest emission regulations, or another authority decides to implement an SQBP in its boundaries.
Bristol Road probably will never get brand new vehicles, owing to the Cross City line. It is busy, but the rate of return in any business case for NXWM will be stronger where there is no rail competition, or where there is bus priority, or where there is a rapid way into and out of the city.
Bearing in mind the SQBP and the number of new buses NXWM have committed to over the next three or four years, I could envisage most of the non Platinum radial Birmingham corridors receiving Crimson vehicles in the next few years, freeing up many nearly new vehicles for use elsewhere, and unless NXWM expand elsewhere or have serious competition to deal with, hundreds of older vehicles will be withdrawn or put into reserve as a consequence.
Quote from: JoNi on April 07, 2015, 10:13:20 PM
From my recollection Trent have introduced new vehicles on Rainbow/rapid one, Skylink, Rushcliffe Greens, H1, before that on Threes and i4.
The Sixes north of Derby amongst other routes have benefited from cascaded vehicles fully refurbished to meet the needs of a specific route and fitted with power points for mobile phones making them as good as new.
Trent is less than a tenth of the size of NXWM, so you would expect relative smaller investment levels.
I've never seen a Trent bus with paint peeling and large areas of bare metal, or different seat moquette in the same vehicle whatever it's age and their standards mean in all likelihood I never will.
I was talking the whole Wellglade Group, TM travel hardly get anything new / nearly new, Notts & Derby run an old fleet. The group doesn't buy new vehicles in the quantity it used to. Only the core routes get the new stuff. They aren't even buying a complete new fleet of Red Arrow coaches, only 9 are due. Although Trent itself may be around a 10th the size of NXWM fleet, the group itself has in excess of 400 buses. Take a look at the attached fleetlist, it isn't as modern as you might expect. I'm going to leave it there at the risk of going further off topic
http://www.derbybusdepot.co.uk/trentfleetlist.html
Quote from: don on April 07, 2015, 10:29:53 PM
Bearing in mind the SQBP and the number of new buses NXWM have committed to over the next three or four years, I could envisage most of the non Platinum radial Birmingham corridors receiving Crimson vehicles in the next few years, freeing up many nearly new vehicles for use elsewhere, and unless NXWM expand elsewhere or have serious competition to deal with, hundreds of older vehicles will be withdrawn or put into reserve as a consequence.
Going forward NXWM will the option of selling vehicles on the used market, Presidents & Tridents especially will be suitable for schools / contract work & should be of more interest to prospective buyers over ex London dual door stuff
All this defensiveness for NXWM, let's face it they had it all handed to them on a plate a bit like BT and for years have under invested and only now starting to catch up.
Quote from: Winston on April 07, 2015, 10:36:36 PM
Going forward NXWM will the option of selling vehicles on the used market, Presidents & Tridents especially will be suitable for schools / contract work & should be of more interest to prospective buyers over ex London dual door stuff
No due to them being used against them. Unless they were sold to companies away from the west mids ie Cornwall or Western Scotland or even Wales.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 07, 2015, 10:41:10 PM
All this defensiveness for NXWM, let's face it they had it all handed to them on a plate a bit like BT and for years have under invested and only now starting to catch up.
It's not easy keeping up with investment if you don't have the money at the time. That was why NX left London.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 07, 2015, 10:41:10 PM
All this defensiveness for NXWM, let's face it they had it all handed to them on a plate a bit like BT and for years have under invested and only now starting to catch up.
I don't think statement is fair, there was a drought on new fleet investment during 2005/6 when the majority of all the NX Group bus order went on growing Travel London, then there was another drought 2009/10 when NX Group nearly collapsed under massive debt & nearly got taken over. Prior to 2005, investment levels were pretty good & 2011 onwards it is growing further. Once the remaining Mercs, B6LE, B10L, Spectra's are all gone & the new bus reduce the number of Presidents that fleet will be pretty modern.
Quote from: tank90 on April 07, 2015, 10:44:55 PM
No due to them being used against them. Unless they were sold to companies away from the west mids ie Cornwall or Western Scotland or even Wales.
I doubt think there so bothered who they sell the used stuff to these days, not like in the days of buying up a load on MRW Nationals & storing them in Selly Oak to take them off the used market for competing operators to buy ;)
Quote from: Winston on April 07, 2015, 10:48:19 PM
I don't think statement is fair, there was a drought on new fleet investment during 2005/6 when the majority of all the NX Group bus order went on growing Travel London, then there was another drought 2009/10 when NX Group nearly collapsed under massive debt & nearly got taken over. Prior to 2005, investment levels were pretty good & 2011 onwards it is growing further. Onc e the remaining Mercs, B6LE, B10L, Spectra's are all gone & the new bus reduce the number of Presidents that fleet will be pretty modern.
I doubt think there so bothered who they sell the used stuff to these days, not like in the days of buying up a load on MRW Nationals & storing them in Selly Oak to take them off the used market for competing operators to buy ;)
Ok but why is there still a load of buses at Miller Street sitting unused or have they now started to leave to be recycled?
Quote from: tank90 on April 08, 2015, 01:51:53 AM
Ok but why is there still a load of buses at Miller Street sitting unused or have they now started to leave to be recycled?
A load have recently left for PVS to be scrapped, and more appear to be marked up at Pensnett reserve yard ready to go to PVS. They are basically just sat there depreciating until they can be sold for scrap. B6LE's aren't very popular, B10L's & Merc 0405N's are pretty unique in the UK, with TWM only placing fleet orders for both types in the UK. They did try selling various types through Volant in the past unsuccessfully & B6LE's at Lea Hall Auction again unsuccessfully
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 07, 2015, 09:55:56 PM
To me a route like the 900, (which services Birmingham Airport), should have the best buses possible. It will possibly be some visitors first sight of a Birmingham bus, do you really want them to be given a bad impression!!
I remember back in 1990, before I moved down here, travelling on the 900 from the NEC into Birmingham and later back again. Both trips were on an MCW Metrobus (D914 NDA - 2914) with coach type seats and it did create a good impression.
Purely speculation, if AG gets e200 mmc. I think the b7s already there 15 i counted could possible see off the majority of mercs at pensnett (22 in service if i counted correctly) whilst the omnilinks could see off the 56 plate b7s in walsall to dundee?
Quote from: Chris2301 on April 08, 2015, 01:40:45 PM
Purely speculation, if AG gets e200 mmc. I think the b7s already there 15 i counted could possible see off the majority of mercs at pensnett (22 in service if i counted correctly) whilst the omnilinks could see off the 56 plate b7s in walsall to dundee?
I agree with 22 Mercs at PE, however I just recently seen that 1637/1665 are also parked up facing the fence with the other withdrawals, so the number may now be down to 20
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/new-red-brummie-buses-your-9048322
It's a shame the Birmingham Mail don't research more before clicking send. The 50 isn't the only 24hr service in Birmingham I do believe the 97 is as well. It's the type of thing I'd expect from Metro or the local rags from the Clyde not one of the Second Cities leading papers.
As I have said about the 97 maybe the ex 900 e400s or even some new swish ones need to appear on there next year maybe lol.
Several people I've spoken to like the new livery but moan about the dark rear area of the vehicles caused by the rear windows effectively being blanked out by the vinyl branding etc. They like the interiors to be bright and light with a clear view out of the vehicle. Might be something NX has to reconsider at some point in time. Must be some way of branding that does not cover glazed areas of the vehicles.
Quote from: RW on April 16, 2015, 07:38:31 AM
Several people I've spoken to like the new livery but moan about the dark rear area of the vehicles caused by the rear windows effectively being blanked out by the vinyl branding etc. They like the interiors to be bright and light with a clear view out of the vehicle. Might be something NX has to reconsider at some point in time. Must be some way of branding that does not cover glazed areas of the vehicles.
I would agree, vehicles should be light and bright inside. All windows on a vehicle should be clear of vinyls or contravision. It's quite unbelievable that bus companies, whose passengers are paying to travel on the vehicles, still carry on restricting the light and views etc.
Quote from: RW on April 16, 2015, 07:38:31 AM
Several people I've spoken to like the new livery but moan about the dark rear area of the vehicles caused by the rear windows effectively being blanked out by the vinyl branding etc. They like the interiors to be bright and light with a clear view out of the vehicle. Might be something NX has to reconsider at some point in time. Must be some way of branding that does not cover glazed areas of the vehicles.
I presume you haven't travelled on one of these as one thing the back cannot be described as is 'dark'
The only window covered, and it is not covered on the 50 branded buses, is the one looking out the rear of the vehicle and how many people actually kneel up on the back seat looking out of that window?
The view from every single seat in the bus is completely unhindered unless you are 8 foot tall and the front window stickers are in your eye line
People have their different views Tony. Have a look at the Mails photo gallery and the 2 shots of the rear top deck of the buses, that is a new vehicle and a non branded 'old' bus 'where the cool kids used to sit'. No difference?
Quote from: RW on April 16, 2015, 08:29:40 AM
People have their different views Tony. Have a look at the Mails photo gallery and the 2 shots of the rear top deck of the buses, that is a new vehicle and a non branded 'old' bus 'where the cool kids used to sit'. No difference?
I still cannot see any problem, every seat on the bus is extremely well lit and has a perfect view out of the window, which is more than can be said for some seats on Virgin Pendolinos!
Quote from: Tony on April 16, 2015, 08:09:00 AM
I presume you haven't travelled on one of these as one thing the back cannot be described as is 'dark'
The only window covered, and it is not covered on the 50 branded buses, is the one looking out the rear of the vehicle and how many people actually kneel up on the back seat looking out of that window?.................
I have yet to travel on one, but I've been on similar vehicles with the back window obscured. and it is not inviting for a passenger going towards the rear of the vehicle.
I'm not alone in thinking this, a comment and photograph in the 17 March edition of Coach and Bus Week on one of the NXWM vehicles confirms this.
Quote from: Tony on April 16, 2015, 08:40:22 AM
I still cannot see any problem, every seat on the bus is extremely well lit and has a perfect view out of the window, which is more than can be said for some seats on Virgin Pendolinos!
Agree with you totally Tony regarding Pendolinos. On the issue of the branding style, for arguments sake, can we just call it a draw! No doubt over time NX will get/seek feedback from passengers and we'll see whether it is an issue. If it is no doubt NX will look at addressing it.
The more I see the new Crimson livery on the enviro 400 mmc the classier it looks it's taken a while I,ve grown to really like it. Coventry and Dundee,s version of this new livery should be interesting, I still think a blue of some sort would have worked to greater effect. Roll on may platinum should look amazing.
I think the biggest step back has been the new interior design, the grey plastics and fabrics make the interior look gloomy and uninviting when compared to the older buses with the blue plastics
While the covered rear window doesn't make the rear of the lower saloon appreciably darker it does prevent you looking back to see what's coming up. While this is most annoying to the likes of us, it is of concern to people changing buses. I believe TfL requires a rear view so that passengers can choose the stop where they change routes if their next bus is behind.
The rear window is a little darker but the rest of the windows are lighter.
If you're that worried looking out of a window on a Pendalino travel First Class, and before you say that would cost the earth go on a Saturday or Sunday with a weekend upgrade!
One of the reasons you need to look out of the window of an NX bus is because there is no audio or visual next stop information which of course a Pendalino does have!
Better still go by Chiltern in a Mk3 - best trains on the network.
There's a photo of the first National Express Enviro 200MMC in build at Scarborough on page 7 of this week's Coach & Bus Week (dated April 14th).
Quote from: JoNi on April 16, 2015, 04:20:02 PM
If you're that worried looking out of a window on a Pendalino travel First Class, and before you say that would cost the earth go on a Saturday or Sunday with a weekend upgrade!
One of the reasons you need to look out of the window of an NX bus is because there is no audio or visual next stop information which of course a Pendalino does have!
On that note, I sampled some of Coventry's new E200s today and they have speakers fitted to the interior, a sign of things to come?...
All the crap ADL enviro 200,s delivered to west brom last,year have roof mounted speakers still waiting to see what they gona do with them.
Quote from: Winston on April 16, 2015, 01:20:42 AM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/whats-on/new-red-brummie-buses-your-9048322
Ugh. Three shots not even the Trident E400 interiors! ::) I mean, yeah, B7 ALXs ran the service, but I don't recall Presidents at all. (5 of 15) - then again, the media often use "outdated" images.
Quote from: clayderman on April 17, 2015, 01:01:08 AM
Ugh. Three shots not even the Trident E400 interiors! ::) I mean, yeah, B7 ALXs ran the service, but I don't recall Presidents at all. (5 of 15) - then again, the media often use "outdated" images.
who ever wrote article got it wrong saying 50 is only 24hr service. what about the 97 and soon the 74.
Quote from: wembley86 on April 17, 2015, 06:14:39 AM
who ever wrote article got it wrong saying 50 is only 24hr service. what about the 97 and soon the 74.
That's media for you... Lol!
Quote from: clayderman on April 17, 2015, 01:01:08 AM
Ugh. Three shots not even the Trident E400 interiors! ::) I mean, yeah, B7 ALXs ran the service, but I don't recall Presidents at all. (5 of 15) - then again, the media often use "outdated" images.
Presidents 4023-4034 were commonplace on the 50 at the time of the route branded Spectras, when the service was run by BC.
And 4108/4109.
6133 noted on delivery on the M6 near Bescot at 10.30.
Quote from: tphi12000 on April 17, 2015, 11:20:45 AM
6133 noted on delivery on the M6 near Bescot at 10.30.
6134/5 should be about as well
Quote from: Mike K on April 17, 2015, 08:12:17 AM
Presidents 4023-4034 were commonplace on the 50 at the time of the route branded Spectras, when the service was run by BC.
And 4108/4109.
My bad. And here I am, criticising someone who hasn't done their research! Lol! :) Thanks,
@Mike K
Can the vinyl branding be put back on a bus if it has come off a bus first?
(Can it be applied more than once?)
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on April 30, 2015, 07:58:57 AM
Can the vinyl branding be put back on a bus if it has come off a bus first?
(Can it be applied more than once?)
I don't think it's in any shape to be reused once it's been stripped off!
Has the MD said anything recent about new buses, delivery dates or vehicle transfers
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on May 01, 2015, 02:53:48 PM
Has the MD said anything recent about new buses, delivery dates or vehicle transfers
No, else it would have been posted by Tony (As and when he is allowed to).
Quote from: Nathan on May 01, 2015, 02:59:23 PM
No, else it would have been posted by Tony (As and when he is allowed to).
There is something interesting due to happen next Wednesday, and something different on Thursday. I will post as soon as I know either has actually happened
Sounds interesting - glad I got 4758 yesterday in that case on its last day of YW work.
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 01, 2015, 03:13:16 PM
Sounds interesting - glad I got 4758 yesterday in that case on its last day of YW work.
This morning on the 50 was its last duty at YW, currently parked in AG, but not for use there
Ahh right - thanks Tony :)
Do we have any news as to the next route to be branded? unless we are awaiting the arrival of the platuniums.
Updates on new deliveries on the main website now.
Quote from: NXDom on May 01, 2015, 03:35:52 PM
Do we have any news as to the next route to be branded? unless we are awaiting the arrival of the platuniums.
I hope the 11 gets branded, it may just be the thing needed to tidy up those Presidents
When the Hybrids eventually go in for a repaint, would it be painted into crimson? Maybe Crimson with a green line to break the reds up and maybe a green "National Express West Midlands Hybrid"?
Don't see why the 94 never will. Used it the other day lol.
Quote from: BusFan on May 02, 2015, 10:55:44 PM
I hope the 11 gets branded, it may just be the thing needed to tidy up those Presidents
I think Tony did say a while back that the 11 would receive branding, but I guess that has been put on hold, probably until more Geminis come to AG. Geminis would be more likely to be branded, rather than Presidents.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 03, 2015, 02:24:04 AM
Don't see why the 94 never will. Used it the other day lol.
Used to be branded when LH was open with 44** Tridents
Quote from: Stu on May 03, 2015, 09:20:45 AM
I think Tony did say a while back that the 11 would receive branding, but I guess that has been put on hold, probably until more Geminis come to AG. Geminis would be more likely to be branded, rather than Presidents.
When the 54 plate Gemini's first came on the
11A/C they were route branded for the 11/outer circle & looked really good. It will do the 11 good to be rebranded albeit of a different style to the earlier branding.
@ Tony Are the 6701 to 6718 the numbers for the new Platinum Branded Buses and have they finalized what the livery is going look like?
Quote from: Squiz1971 on May 04, 2015, 12:46:45 PM
@ Tony Are the 6701 to 6718 the numbers for the new Platinum Branded Buses and have they finalized what the livery is going look like?
All confirmed not too long ago... See the main site photo of 4723.
Quote from: clayderman on May 04, 2015, 01:04:35 PM
All confirmed not too long ago... See the main site photo of 4723.
I thought I had heard it might be something like that thanks for the info cheers
Quote from: Squiz1971 on May 04, 2015, 12:33:45 PM
Used to be branded when LH was open with 44** Tridents
Well aware of that fella, just having my usual dig. I will concede that the only investment likely in that corridor is the 72 and the 94 can go &*&^ ha ha. Back to work to tomorrow, so no time for additional insightful threads moving forward.
Watch out for new buses around tomorrow!
It is possible
2201; 2202 will be delivered to AG
6147 wil be delivered to YW
6703; 6704 will be delivered to BC
6144 (named after my daughter); 6145; 6146 will be in service on the 50 for the first time!
It was also confirmed today that there will be an Enviro 400 named 'Ronnie Morgan' in a couple of month's time, and it WILL happen this time
Really busy day then tomorrow - should be good! Will keep an eye out for the new deliveries tomorrow - hopefully one of the new MMCs will show up on the 76E tomorrow :) Been Enviro 400 (the ex50 ones) allocated all year - never has Tridents so think it goes onto the 50 later in the day. Expect it will get an MMC as a result.
Quote from: Tony on May 14, 2015, 08:29:23 PM
Watch out for new buses around tomorrow!
It is possible
2201; 2202 will be delivered to AG
6147 wil be delivered to YW
6703; 6704 will be delivered to BC
6144 (named after my daughter); 6145; 6146 will be in service on the 50 for the first time!
It was also confirmed today that there will be an Enviro 400 named 'Ronnie Morgan' in a couple of month's time, and it WILL happen this time
I really did expect a Trident instead of an Enviro because those were the buses mainly for the 45. It should be an old 45 branded bus instead of an Enviro.
Quote from: Tony on May 14, 2015, 08:29:23 PM
Watch out for new buses around tomorrow!
It is possible
2201; 2202 will be delivered to AG
6147 wil be delivered to YW
6703; 6704 will be delivered to BC
6144 (named after my daughter); 6145; 6146 will be in service on the 50 for the first time!
It was also confirmed today that there will be an Enviro 400 named 'Ronnie Morgan' in a couple of month's time, and it WILL happen this time
6703/4 have actually arrived today, 6705/6 should arrive Friday!
Quote from: Tony on May 14, 2015, 09:01:14 PM
6703/4 have actually arrived today, 6705/6 should arrive Friday!
@Tony How long until we can see the branding for the 900?
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on May 14, 2015, 08:51:52 PM
I really did expect a Trident instead of an Enviro because those were the buses mainly for the 45. It should be an old 45 branded bus instead of an Enviro.
There aren't any 45 branded buses, or do you mean one from the 4610-34 batch?
With E400's expected to be introduced on the Pershore Road soon, I think it's a nice tribute.
Quote from: Gareth on May 14, 2015, 10:15:03 PM
There aren't any 45 branded buses, or do you mean one from the 4610-34 batch?
With E400's expected to be introduced on the Pershore Road soon, I think it's a nice tribute.
I meant the 4610-4634 batch, some ALX400's deserved to be named, especially to a special person.
Was anyone else a fan pf the large circular branding for the 11 on the Geminis ?! I just seen a photo recently and I have to admit it was great, it suited the outer circle well although I doubt it would work just as well on a Plaxton.
Quote from: BusFan on May 15, 2015, 12:50:24 PM
Was anyone else a fan pf the large circular branding for the 11 on the Geminis ?! I just seen a photo recently and I have to admit it was great, it suited the outer circle well although I doubt it would work just as well on a Plaxton.
I liked the large circular branding for the 11 too & I agree it would not look so good on the Plaxton bodies B7's it was a shame when the 11 went out of PB to fully AG that the branding was removed and/or altered to the smaller circle branding
There were only a couple of buses at each garage with the large branding. The rest had the smaller one.
Quote from: Tony on May 14, 2015, 08:29:23 PM
Watch out for new buses around tomorrow!
It is possible
2201; 2202 will be delivered to AG
6147 wil be delivered to YW
6703; 6704 will be delivered to BC
6144 (named after my daughter); 6145; 6146 will be in service on the 50 for the first time!
It was also confirmed today that there will be an Enviro 400 named 'Ronnie Morgan' in a couple of month's time, and it WILL happen this time
Good as Ronnie deserves to be remembered more than through his pictures & the buses he helped preserve during his life
Quote from: Gareth on May 15, 2015, 12:58:36 PM
There were only a couple of buses at each garage with the large branding. The rest had the smaller one.
Oh right I could of sworn I saw more than 4 Eclipses with the larger branding shows how much I knew lol ;D
Quote from: Squiz1971 on May 15, 2015, 01:03:21 PM
Oh right I could of sworn I saw more than 4 Eclipses with the larger branding shows how much I knew lol ;D
I know 4635/4636 had the larger circle branding I think 4658/4659 had it aswell but I'm not 100% sure.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on May 15, 2015, 01:00:55 PM
Good as Ronnie deserves to be remembered more than through his pictures & the buses he helped preserve during his life
Fair enough, but I still hope to see a 'Ronald Edgely Cox' in Walsall sometime!
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on May 15, 2015, 01:27:01 PM
Fair enough, but I still hope to see a 'Ronald Edgely Cox' in Walsall sometime!
Yes true as he helped put Walsall on the map bus wise especially with the monster fleetline in 56/L now preserved at Wythall he deserves to be immortalised on a Walsall E400
Quote from: Rob2832 on May 15, 2015, 01:14:08 PM
I know 4635/4636 had the larger circle branding I think 4658/4659 had it aswell but I'm not 100% sure.
That's right Rob. The first 2 Geminis at each garage had the larger branding. Acocks Green had 4635/4636, and Perry Barr had 4658/4659
Quote from: John on May 15, 2015, 02:26:45 PM
That's right Rob. The first 2 Geminis at each garage had the larger branding. Acocks Green had 4635/4636, and Perry Barr had 4658/4659
Thanks for confirming Rob I honestly thought there was more than those with the larger branding though the smaller branding on the other Wright Eclipse B7's was just as good
Anybody want to see the 900 route branding?
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6703.html
Quote from: Tony on May 15, 2015, 06:45:34 PM
Anybody want to see the 900 route branding?
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6703.html
Now that I do like. Do we have any idea when they might be out in service?
Quote from: Tony on May 15, 2015, 06:45:34 PM
Anybody want to see the 900 route branding?
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6703.html
One word - WOW!!!
Quote from: John on May 15, 2015, 06:51:22 PM
Now that I do like. Do we have any idea when they might be out in service?
Looking like 10 days time
Now that's much more subtle than the 9 and 50 brandings. Just one thing - should'nt there be a bit of the branding colour across the front so that the route can be identified from a distance?
Quote from: Stevo on May 15, 2015, 06:53:58 PM
Now that's much more subtle than the 9 and 50 brandings. Just one thing - should'nt there be a bit of the branding colour across the front so that the route can be identified from a distance?
The 'halo' around the service number?
That is very impressive
I was dreading branding being applied to the Platinums but yet again, Well Done NX. Brilliant Job.
What's the big rectangle on the offside rear? Cant be the exhaust?
Yes - perhaps that will be visible even to blokes like me who should've gone to Specsavers!
Quote from: Squiz1971 on May 15, 2015, 01:33:08 PM
Yes true as he helped put Walsall on the map bus wise especially with the monster fleetline in 56/L now preserved at Wythall he deserves to be immortalised on a Walsall E400
56 should be carrying passengers for the first time at Wythall over the Spring Bank Holiday. Can't promise as work was still being carried out on it yesterday, but we all hope it will be out for the special Walsall event over the Bank Holiday.
Quote from: BU07 LGO on May 15, 2015, 07:56:35 PM
What's the big rectangle on the offside rear? Cant be the exhaust?
It is the exhaust pipe.
Quote from: Tony on May 15, 2015, 06:45:34 PM
Anybody want to see the 900 route branding?
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6703.html
Still haven't caught onto the fact that Coventry is known for sky blue, as are their buses, and aeroplanes take off in blue sky.
Quote from: Oozells on May 15, 2015, 11:11:52 PM
Still haven't caught onto the fact that Coventry is known for sky blue, as are their buses, and aeroplanes take off in blue sky.
It's a Birmingham based bus so why Coventry colours?
And more often than not aeroplanes take off in grey sky in this country.
Quote from: Tony on May 15, 2015, 06:56:11 PM
The 'halo' around the service number?
If there is one thing I hate about the new liveries it's the halo around the destination screen. In my mind the colour should be below the drivers black windscreen surround, still obvious but less in your face, especially as most of the brand colours clash badly with the new liveries.
Quote from: Bryan on May 16, 2015, 09:10:27 AM
If there is one thing I hate about the new liveries it's the halo around the destination screen. In my mind the colour should be below the drivers black windscreen surround, still obvious but less in your face, especially as most of the brand colours clash badly with the new liveries.
I'm just glad that at last we have 2 classy liveries and that over time the 'designed by a nursery class' red and white livery will become a thing of the past. I take your point though about clashing brand colours. How does it go "red and green should never be seen"! Now about the 900 branding colours......
Quote from: BU07 LGO on May 15, 2015, 07:56:35 PM
What's the big rectangle on the offside rear? Cant be the exhaust?
I do believe it is as it is the same on the PN/YW crimson MMC's as I was wondering the same thing when I first saw the 61xx series on the road. Its the only thing I can think it is mate :)
The branding looks fantastic as it does not seem to be in your face it is subtle but classy too. I hope the 957 is just as good and the same for the Walsall platinums for the 934/5/6 and X51 if they are using platinums for the X51. I for 1 cannot wait to see them out in service to make a welcome change from the red & white liveried NX buses
Blonde is the obvious branding colour for the 900.
Platinum blonde!
Quote from: Mike K on May 16, 2015, 08:50:20 AM
It's a Birmingham based bus so why Coventry colours?
And more often than not aeroplanes take off in grey sky in this country.
Because it's an NXWM bus going to an NXC area where the buses are sky blue. What better colour to show off the destination and it'll be using a colour that can't be used on NXC buses.
And for a graphic showing a plane taking off it's best to use sky blue. Why green? Let's represent the grass by the side of the runway.
Quote from: JoNi on May 16, 2015, 12:44:23 PM
Blonde is the obvious branding colour for the 900.
Platinum blonde!
Hey - now there's an idea! All we can see of her at the moment is her feet and her red shoes!
Have the Enviro 200 MMC's turned up yet... Will be interesting too see the branding style applied (if any) on the single deck version of the livery.
Quote from: danny on May 17, 2015, 06:45:05 PM
Have the Enviro 200 MMC's turned up yet... Will be interesting too see the branding style applied (if any) on the single deck version of the livery.
On the main website, nx index, 2201 - 2250 then click on 2201 and theres a pic of the e200 mmc in Crimson
QuoteOn the main website, nx index, 2201 - 2250 then click on 2201 and theres a pic of the e200 mmc in Crimson
Sorry I probably should have been clearer, I had seen the photo but recall seeing a post saying the first two 2201 and 2202 were due to arrive on Thursday??
May habe misread it somewhere.
Quote from: danny on May 18, 2015, 02:58:06 PM
Sorry I probably should have been clearer, I had seen the photo but recall seeing a post saying the first two 2201 and 2202 were due to arrive on Thursday??
May habe misread it somewhere.
They were delayed I believe they may arrive in the next 24 hours now.
Thanks Tony :)
Gotta say I'm really not liking the front end of the E200MMC. Looks very ugly, especially with the huge black panel under the screen which they've obviously nicked the idea for from the Wrightbus NBFL. :-\
Quote from: JackC on May 19, 2015, 06:51:49 PM
Gotta say I'm really not liking the front end of the E200MMC. Looks very ugly, especially with the huge black panel under the screen which they've obviously nicked the idea for from the Wrightbus NBFL. :-\
I couldn't agree more. The front end is positively disgusting! I really wished they used the same lighting cluster on the 200MMC as on the 400MMC and made it symmetrical. Not sure about "nicking the idea" though, it seems a lot of manufacturers are going through this glossy black panel phase. I can't wait for it to pass. Have we got some rear end pictures of the 200MMC?
And it still reminds me of a Mitsubishi Fuso of some description and some sort of European FSO bodied machine. And that UVG heap.
Something I've been wondering about... The font for the fleet number on buses 4881 up to 4913 would've suited the new deliveries, especially with the logo change. Any idea why they changed it back to the 'Ariel' font face from
4914 onwards? Cost, perhaps?
Quote from: JackC on May 19, 2015, 06:51:49 PM
Gotta say I'm really not liking the front end of the E200MMC. Looks very ugly, especially with the huge black panel under the screen which they've obviously nicked the idea for from the Wrightbus NBFL. :-\
As for the asymmetric front of the E200MMC, I think it looks half-decent. Being the LWB version, in the lovely crimson livery - I think it just made 'the cut'. Well, for me, anyway.
I think it's unfortunate there's so much black - presumably obligatory - that it almost overshadows the new livery. But we really need to see it in the flesh.
I can't help but not like it unfortunately... I'm seriously hoping to be won over by comfort. Ride quality and efficiently, it's definitely one of those situations where you will like it for the personality... However, the redeeming factor is that the livery really does suite the curves of the bus, and atleast ADL have tried something a little different rather than copying the double decker style for the front. Time will tell.
I like the Driver Training display on the photo of 2202 :)
I won't comment on the look of the vehicle until I get chance to see it in person (the 400s didn't look as bad as I remember thinking when I first saw the photos of the branding!) but I can't see much scope for any route branding further than the large numbers which were seen on the scanias. Maybe they won't get any, or at least until there's a sizeable amount of the batch in service?
I wonder, will the first passenger get told they're the first to travel on an E200 MMC in proper service in the country? (there are no demonstrators floating around as far as I'm aware, are there?)
Quote from: Stevo on May 19, 2015, 11:09:01 PM
I think it's unfortunate there's so much black - presumably obligatory - that it almost overshadows the new livery. But we really need to see it in the flesh.
Don't worry, I presume those areas of black have been purposely designed for branding ;)
I saw one on the A42 this morning on my way to work in Nottingham. The new livery is very smart
SN15LHU Fleet number 6147 on private hire on the Warwick Rd no adverts or branding (as yet) https://www.flickr.com/photos/dofartshavelumps/17894506782/in/dateposted-public/
Quote from: horsencart on May 20, 2015, 03:17:15 PM
SN15LHU Fleet number 6147 on private hire on the Warwick Rd no adverts or branding (as yet) https://www.flickr.com/photos/dofartshavelumps/17894506782/in/dateposted-public/
6147/8 are not having branding of any sort
Quote from: Tony on May 20, 2015, 03:28:29 PM
6147/8 are not having branding of any sort
That's good to hear. The new livery looks superb without the branding. The darker red on the upper section gets a bit lost when both adverts and branding are applied.
Quote from: clayderman on May 19, 2015, 09:30:37 PM
Something I've been wondering about... The font for the fleet number on buses 4881 up to 4913 would've suited the new deliveries, especially with the logo change. Any idea why they changed it back to the 'Ariel' font face from 4914 onwards? Cost, perhaps?
I noticed when they brought in the new font for the fleet numbers, but didn't notice that they'd taken it away. I'm sad now.
I thought it was really good that they'd also updated the logo, but now it's been ruined by finding out that the brand doesn't go all over - is the legal name and address in the new font?
Edit: Actually, it does look slightly harder to read on some numbers, so that's probably why it doesn't carry on. I'll allow it.
Quote from: Mike K on May 20, 2015, 05:13:44 PM
That's good to hear. The new livery looks superb without the branding. The darker red on the upper section gets a bit lost when both adverts and branding are applied.
I would agree. I think the potential impact of the new livery has been totally lost with all the branding and adverts on the vehicles.
Everything seems to be competing for attention to the exclusion of the colour scheme. Not a great introduction in my opinion.
Quote from: Bryan on May 20, 2015, 06:34:35 PM
I would agree. I think the potential impact of the new livery has been totally lost with all the branding and adverts on the vehicles.
Everything seems to be competing for attention to the exclusion of the colour scheme. Not a great introduction in my opinion.
Do I detect a slow spread of opinions moving towards my oft-expressed assertion that branding is dreadful in any form?
Everyone is different,but I have never thought that ANY branding ever improved anything...........though apparently management believe it improves takings.
Quote from: Oozells on May 20, 2015, 06:20:31 PM
I noticed when they brought in the new font for the fleet numbers, but didn't notice that they'd taken it away. I'm sad now.
I thought it was really good that they'd also updated the logo, but now it's been ruined by finding out that the brand doesn't go all over - is the legal name and address in the new font?
Edit: Actually, it does look slightly harder to read on some numbers, so that's probably why it doesn't carry on. I'll allow it.
Suppose the '8' can looks like 0, 3, 5 or 6 - but I do miss it. Fact: Another batch of vehicles to carry this font fleet number is the original WN Hybrids (5410 - 5421 / 5510 - 5518)
Quote from: arrifirststage on May 20, 2015, 07:23:57 PM
Do I detect a slow spread of opinions moving towards my oft-expressed assertion that branding is dreadful in any form?
Everyone is different,but I have never thought that ANY branding ever improved anything...........though apparently management believe it improves takings.
I would like to see more "fully barnded" buses like we saw with the Gemini's (line 33, the big outer circle and the premier 997) where the branding is incorporated into the livery and there are no advertising frames
Quote from: BU07 LGO on May 20, 2015, 07:41:31 PM
I would like to see more "fully barnded" buses like we saw with the Gemini's (line 33, the big outer circle and the premier 997) where the branding is incorporated into the livery and there are no advertising frames
I agree here, the Geminis pulled it off best (Subjectively speaking) and sometimes to make certain branding standout, combining it with the livery is just the way to do it.
Quote from: BusFan on May 20, 2015, 08:20:56 PM
I agree here, the Geminis pulled it off best (Subjectively speaking) and sometimes to make certain branding standout, combining it with the livery is just the way to do it.
Yeah I think the adverts ruin it or the "stuck on style" branding like on the 997 enviros even though there was no adverts.
I also remember the 1 in 1000 (4370) and the thankyou west midlands branding on the tridents which looked good.
mmm... route branding, gggrrrr...! for as much as it annoys me, there's a simple way to solve it, instead of individual routes getting different coloured branding, why not allocate a set colour to each garage to brand the routes operated from there? All routes operated by AG could use, I don't know, green branding say, all CV's routes in blue, PB routes in yellow and so on. As for previous branding, the 37 toothpaste one was really nice, it a shame that livery wasn't continued instead of introducing the red and white.
Quote from: DavieDD2 on May 21, 2015, 10:53:52 PM
mmm... route branding, gggrrrr...! for as much as it annoys me, there's a simple way to solve it, instead of individual routes getting different coloured branding, why not allocate a set colour to each garage to brand the routes operated from there? All routes operated by AG could use, I don't know, green branding say, all CV's routes in blue, PB routes in yellow and so on. As for previous branding, the 37 toothpaste one was really nice, it a shame that livery wasn't continued instead of introducing the red and white.
With the current type of branding, It easier to differentiate the different routes and they all stand out but by segmenting them by garage, in my opinion doesn't serve a purpose, the average joe probably wouldn't care, if anything all the garages might just have hint of colour about them.
Branding is most effective when it is used to assist customers unfamiliar with bus services to make them stand out, University buses are a case in point. Bus stop info and timetables also need to have the brand, even the interiors. Painting the bus is the easy bit.
Branding when done right can be a good aid and help passengers discern certain routes/ corridors with colours. The large circular 11 branding on the Geminis was a good example, combining the outer circle name with destinations. The new type of branding I think looks good. Having bus stops (Especially the last City Centre stops) in the same colour as the route branding can help associate bus stop with route, especially from distance.
the new livery look like the old Eastern General buses livery. I can see the words national express been replaced with the double N logo on cream
There wasn't an Eastern General. Do you mean Northern General?
Or Eastern Counties maybe?
Quote from: DavieDD2 on May 24, 2015, 03:23:10 PM
Or Eastern Counties maybe?
yes Eastern Counties had all red livery will a dash of cream
Having seen the recent photos of 4799 and 4812 can't help wondering why NXWM didn't extend the lower deck gold lining around the rear of the vehicles providing a clear separation of the two crimsons as they have on the upper deck lining. Bit picky but I assume there was a reason?
Next route should start going Platinum tomorrow now this is ready
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6712.html
Looks good - will be nice to see them in Solihull tomorrow!
These Platinums sure look good,
Quote from: Tony on June 03, 2015, 08:42:58 PM
Next route should start going Platinum tomorrow now this is ready
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6712.html
Is there any 'plain' Platiniums without any service branding on?
Quote from: Westy on June 03, 2015, 09:19:17 PM
Is there any 'plain' Platiniums without any service branding on?
6701,6702,6716,6717 and 6718 have generic advertising for Platinum as exhibitited by 6701/2.
Probably going to have hundreds of complaints but I really don't like the 957 branding, the 900 yeah isn't bad, but this is just not what I would expect! Nor was the 900 but I just don't like the 957 at all!
Quote from: Dom on June 03, 2015, 09:59:12 PM
Probably going to have hundreds of complaints but I really don't like the 957 branding, the 900 yeah isn't bad, but this is just not what I would expect! Nor was the 900 but I just don't like the 957 at all!
well to be honest
@Dom i don't even like the Platinum livery full stop.
tbh, i would have called them Gold routes and have a special gold livery to go with it and the MMCs with wi fi etc, then you could have had a few routes called silver routes with new buses but no wi fi (ie the 9, 50) and the rest of the routes would be known as Bronze routes.
Gold routes would charge a higher fare eg: £3 single and Daysavers would only be valid with a 50p supplement
Silver routes would charge a fare of £2.50 single
Bronze routes would charge £2.00 single
Quote from: Dom on June 03, 2015, 09:59:12 PM
Probably going to have hundreds of complaints but I really don't like the 957 branding, the 900 yeah isn't bad, but this is just not what I would expect! Nor was the 900 but I just don't like the 957 at all!
To be honest, nor do I. I like the 900 branding. It's bright, for starters - something the 957 branding lacked also, with such a dark green. I guess against the dark grey livery, it doesn't help much. However, you gotta admit, the new branding is concise, minimalistic, and suits the livery more... Although, I can't blame them for choosing (more or less) the same colours. It'll reduce confusion against both services, and for 'amateur' bus users will/should recognise it from thr old branding - resulting in easily differentiating between the two services.
The problem I foresee with Platinum is that the greys must shine. If a repaint is 6 years down the line as with the E400s now being done they'll look very drab.
Quote from: Stevo on June 04, 2015, 09:47:07 AM
The problem I foresee with Platinum is that the greys must shine. If a repaint is 6 years down the line as with the E400s now being done they'll look very drab.
especially when you see a current livery bus in bright sun light how scratched they have became! Im not sure if its the bus washes which scratch them but they are covered in swirl marks!
Any news or delivery dates for any of the new buses?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on June 09, 2015, 04:43:46 PM
Any news or delivery dates for any of the new buses?
No
Do all the newer buses, just platimuns or certain buses have tacos fitted. Noticed 6701 seemed to have one?
Tony had recently provided a list of tacho fitted buses.
"AG 2201/2 & 2120 have tachographs
BC have 6701/2; 4634 & a B7RLE
PB have 4777-81 & 1847 (not sure if 1844-6 have current tachos)
YW have 6147/8 & 3225
WA have 4127/8 & 4737; 4776
WN have 862; 863 & a trident
Two of the 47xx E400s transferred to WB have tachos, but they are not currently calibrated, so cannot be used at the moment
CV have two tridents, but they are not currently calibrated"
so no it is not all Platinum vehicles
Quote from: busfan2847 on June 09, 2015, 07:55:09 PM
Tony had recently provided a list of tacho fitted buses.
"AG 2201/2 & 2120 have tachographs
BC have 6701/2; 4634 & a B7RLE
PB have 4777-81 & 1847 (not sure if 1844-6 have current tachos)
YW have 6147/8 & 3225
WA have 4127/8 & 4737; 4776
WN have 862; 863 & a trident
Two of the 47xx E400s transferred to WB have tachos, but they are not currently calibrated, so cannot be used at the moment
CV have two tridents, but they are not currently calibrated"
so no it is not all Platinum vehicles
Thanks for that. Was aware of the PB/WA buses having them but didn't see the mention about newer buses and the couple of platimuns - must have missed it! :o
Quote from: busfan2847 on June 09, 2015, 07:55:09 PM
Tony had recently provided a list of tacho fitted buses.
"AG 2201/2 & 2120 have tachographs
BC have 6701/2; 4634 & a B7RLE
PB have 4777-81 & 1847 (not sure if 1844-6 have current tachos)
YW have 6147/8 & 3225
WA have 4127/8 & 4737; 4776
WN have 862; 863 & a trident
Two of the 47xx E400s transferred to WB have tachos, but they are not currently calibrated, so cannot be used at the moment
CV have two tridents, but they are not currently calibrated"
so no it is not all Platinum vehicles
pn 4354 tacho bus not calibrated ex Yw showbus
Quote from: karl724223 on June 09, 2015, 10:26:02 PM
pn 4354 tacho bus not calibrated ex Yw showbus
Digi tachometer fitted?
Seeing as the Enviro 400s look fantastic in there new livery and I believe the Coventry buses will be getting their version of it soo, will the hybrids get a repaint if so will it be a green variant of the livery ?!
Quote from: BusFan on June 10, 2015, 04:47:09 PM
Seeing as the Enviro 400s look fantastic in there new livery and I believe the Coventry buses will be getting their version of it soo, will the hybrids get a repaint if so will it be a green variant of the livery ?!
How many times do you want to ask that question!! If Tony knew and was allowed he would say
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 10, 2015, 04:53:21 PM
How many times do you want to ask that question!! If Tony knew and was allowed he would say
I was thinking if i already posted it ! My apologies all administrative staff,
It just hit me while looking at photos of Volvo B5s. A red, blue and green livery for National Express Buses !
mmm... a blue livery, now where would that be appreciated most?
Quote from: DavieDD2 on June 10, 2015, 06:30:03 PM
mmm... a blue livery, now where would that be appreciated most?
Awesome effort there mate!
We're "allegedly" getting a public consultation on the future livery of Dundee Buses, but it seems as though the powers that be up here have already decided that we're going to get the most puke provoking shades of green you've ever seen, our latest MD thinks that taking our buses livery back to the late 60's / early 70's livery is the way to go but i'm sorry, I totally disagree, the majority of today's passengers would associate with Tayside Regional Council's 2 tone blue and white (or cream) rather than Dundee Corporation Green and white, if you guys in the Midlands had a choice, wouldn't you prefer the silver TWM livery? I would, but I'm Dundonian, I want our buses blue at least!!
Quote from: DavieDD2 on June 10, 2015, 07:32:49 PM
We're "allegedly" getting a public consultation on the future livery of Dundee Buses, but it seems as though the powers that be up here have already decided that we're going to get the most puke provoking shades of green you've ever seen, our latest MD thinks that taking our buses livery back to the late 60's / early 70's livery is the way to go but i'm sorry, I totally disagree, the majority of today's passengers would associate with Tayside Regional Council's 2 tone blue and white (or cream) rather than Dundee Corporation Green and white, if you guys in the Midlands had a choice, wouldn't you prefer the silver TWM livery? I would, but I'm Dundonian, I want our buses blue at least!!
wmpte blue and cream
Why not? I'm all for regional identity, having lived in WM when the Metrobuses and Lynxs were silver and blue, (with a red stripe), I'd like nothing more than to see your buses return to a variant of those colours, I loved the toothpaste livery on the 37 etc, but if WM wanted to go back to blue and cream I'd love to see that, anything has to be better than the red (or pink) and white rubbish we all have to suffer now, BTW, how long will it be till your fancy new "Crimson" fades into pink?
I doubt it will fade into pink - the new paint used on refurbs past mid 2012 has lasted well - obviously of a better quality of the 2008-2012 paint - can't believe how the Scanias/B7RLEs faded so fast - must've been some poor quality paint.
You should see Dundee's Gemini's, I was on 7013 yesterday and it sounded like an asthmatic hoover, no power at all and the seats reminded me of the wooden benches on the China Motor Bus Leyland Victory II (preserved at the Scottish Vintage Bus Museum), talk about rough, you Brummies don't know how good you've got it!
I was also on 7156 and it was no better, a powerless engine screaming it's head off with seats that might as well have been wooden benches, bring on the 56 plate cascades from Walsall!!
Quote from: DavieDD2 on June 10, 2015, 09:49:20 PM
I was also on 7156 and it was no better, a powerless engine screaming it's head off with seats that might as well have been wooden benches, bring on the 56 plate cascades from Walsall!!
Good Lord.......a Scottish McBob.
Earlier in the year, a statement regarding the new deliveries from NX Bus said there would be an average of one new bus per day over the summer months.
The delivery of E200MMCs appears to have come to a resounding halt following rejection of 2201 and 2202 - and now the Platinum E400MMCs seem to have ceased delivery. The knock on effect on cascades to Dundee appears to be significant - is there some problem with ADL or is this a planned break in deliveries?
Quote from: don on June 12, 2015, 08:48:11 PM
Earlier in the year, a statement regarding the new deliveries from NX Bus said there would be an average of one new bus per day over the summer months.
The delivery of E200MMCs appears to have come to a resounding halt following rejection of 2201 and 2202 - and now the Platinum E400MMCs seem to have ceased delivery. The knock on effect on cascades to Dundee appears to be significant - is there some problem with ADL or is this a planned break in deliveries?
Although there are no deliveries expected this week, hopefully 6 new buses will arrive next week
Quote from: Tony on June 12, 2015, 08:50:04 PM
Although there are no deliveries expected this week, hopefully 6 new buses will arrive next week
That's good news - thanks Tony.
Quote from: Tony on June 12, 2015, 08:50:04 PM
Although there are no deliveries expected this week, hopefully 6 new buses will arrive next week
For x51/997?
Considering the 957 still hasn't gone fully Platinum, expect they're the last lot for BC. Could still be a while till the E200MMCs come down by the looks of it.
Quote from: don on June 12, 2015, 09:00:51 PM
That's good news - thanks Tony.
And 10 the following week (hopefully)
Sounds good - hopefully that includes some E200MMCs - hopefully any issues have now been sorted out by ADL.
Does anyone know if another delivery of E200s is planned next week? Presumably the Yorkshire factory isn't affected by the Falkirk 2 week shutdown.
I went on a New Routemaster today - one of the earlier ones. The body had a noticeable creak, there was a noisy knocking from the rear end and the audible announcements were gibberish. Perhaps what they need down there is a bit of Platinum quality!
Quote from: don on June 29, 2015, 01:19:47 AM
Does anyone know if another delivery of E200s is planned next week? Presumably the Yorkshire factory isn't affected by the Falkirk 2 week shutdown.
Some more due this week first!
Yes, some next week as well
Quote from: Stevo on June 29, 2015, 09:43:03 PM
I went on a New Routemaster today - one of the earlier ones. The body had a noticeable creak, there was a noisy knocking from the rear end and the audible announcements were gibberish. Perhaps what they need down there is a bit of Platinum quality!
The Mayor has been criticised recently as the New Routemaster allegedly have 5 times more emissions than a standard hybrid bus!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 29, 2015, 10:02:49 PM
The Mayor has been criticised recently as the New Routemaster allegedly have 5 times more emissions than a standard hybrid bus!
That makes a Plaxton sound good !
Never really expected pink branding for the 37... Nevertheless, the look nice. The destination display 'halo' certainly looks better, being more of a rectangular shape, resulting in the outline of the display better, imo. Still. Something, to me, feels odd about E200's on the 37. ???
Quote from: clayderman on July 02, 2015, 07:17:27 AM
Never really expected pink branding for the 37... Nevertheless, the look nice. The destination display 'halo' certainly looks better, being more of a rectangular shape, resulting in the outline of the display better, imo. Still. Something, to me, feels odd about E200's on the 37. ???
Same here, I think of the older vehicle when I hear E200 and then I think its a busy route with a small bus ! :-[
Quote from: clayderman on July 02, 2015, 07:17:27 AM
Never really expected pink branding for the 37... Nevertheless, the look nice. The destination display 'halo' certainly looks better, being more of a rectangular shape, resulting in the outline of the display better, imo. Still. Something, to me, feels odd about E200's on the 37. ???
Pink branding reminds me of the metrobus THE 1 from the 90 & 00'ies when the 1 went to the town hall to terminate. The branding does look good on the new 200MMC's as others have said I too wonder what colour the 71/72 route branding will look like I guess we all will have to wait and see when they get delivered and get branded
When are the next platinum's coming as we've only got 4 and they're supposed to start in 13 days!
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on July 28, 2015, 04:32:13 PM
When are the next platinum's coming as we've only got 4 and they're supposed to start in 13 days!
Another two are at garage think they came the weekend
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on July 28, 2015, 04:32:13 PM
When are the next platinum's coming as we've only got 4 and they're supposed to start in 13 days!
What makes you think only four have arrived?
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6724.html
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6725.html
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6726.html
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6727.html
Quote from: Tony on July 28, 2015, 08:08:25 PM
What makes you think only four have arrived?
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6724.html
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6725.html
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6726.html
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6727.html
Are any branded yet?
Quote from: Dom on July 28, 2015, 08:09:59 PM
Are any branded yet?
I've just put photos of them all up taken today!!!!!
Don't think anyone has mentioned NXWM's twitter... Here's some shots of the Platinum branding. I quite like the X51's rear branding, though the fleetnumber (6730), looks like it's applied too far from the right corner.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLt1nWkVAAA-Lrc.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLt1o6fUAAQdKba.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLt1pCjVAAA8_4F.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLt1oz6UEAAi6gc.jpg
Quote from: clayderman on August 06, 2015, 02:55:19 PM
Don't think anyone has mentioned NXWM's twitter... Here's some shots of the Platinum branding. I quite like the X51's rear branding, though the fleetnumber (6730), looks like it's applied too far from the right corner.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLt1nWkVAAA-Lrc.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLt1o6fUAAQdKba.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLt1pCjVAAA8_4F.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLt1oz6UEAAi6gc.jpg
yes ur quite right the fleet number is further to the left more to the others
Very impressive I must say. The rear branding on both looks very slick and well presented, once again, Good job NX
A photograph unlikely to be got anywhere other than Walsall garage, all four new liveries side by side
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4748.html
Quote from: Tony on August 08, 2015, 03:32:42 PM
A photograph unlikely to be got anywhere other than Walsall garage, all four new liveries side by side
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4748.html
Most Impressive, I have longed to see a photo of every vehicle type with every branding. That could potentially be a photo for the Main Site !
Really good! This time last year everything was getting red and white.
Quote from: BusFan on August 08, 2015, 03:59:10 PM
Most Impressive, I have longed to see a photo of every vehicle type with every branding. That could potentially be a photo for the Main Site !
Hear hear!
Not sure where to ask, does anyone know what the font is that is on the 'West Midlands' bits of the new crimson livery? Need to know pretty soon if anyone can help... PM me if you know...
Cheers!
An interesting article in the October issue of Buses magazine with the author comparing the new liveries and interiors of the new Enviro200 and 400 MMCs in service in Birmingham.
Will the Sutton lines branding be somewhat slightly amended seeing as the 904 now goes to Minworth ?!
What Is Used To Brand The Buses?
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on September 26, 2015, 12:42:34 PM
Will the Sutton lines branding be somewhat slightly amended seeing as the 904 now goes to Minworth ?!
I was expecting the branding changes to be made ready for the 31st, that didn't happen of course
I take their are variations to the 11 branding ?! I.e some buses her certain locations on them
Hi All
The more and more buses I see in the new livery, the more I find myself wondering if the overall livery is good. Compared to the other variants of the new livery (Coventry, Dundee & Platinum) the 2 tone colours are more visible and evident whereas on the crimson buses at times it's not as easy to discern.
Another gripe I find myself having is the branding on this livery. I find all the buses being branded just look generic , just the route number on the side with destinations and a halo on the front with probably something on the back. The single decks fair even worse with just a strip on the top of the windows. The red/white livery was better in terms of branding as it stuck better and branding became more incorporated into the design of the bus.
Another thing is the amount of routes also receiving branding as well. Before it was a handful but now with more buses becoming crimsoned they're also becoming branded for routes and tickets. I'm starting to think it's slightly excessive.
Anyone have similar or opposing views ? (This isn't some type of rant by the way !)
@GeminiFan1991 - there is already another thread in exististance with 35 pages & you were the last to post in that one, can people please check before duplicating threads, Winston
I have to agree with that, it'll be a matter of time before they put some branding on the ALX400's.
Quote from: Ronnoc on April 06, 2016, 09:06:24 PM
I have to agree with that, it'll be a matter of time before they put some branding on the ALX400's.
I wouldn't be surprised ! It just seems as though every bus going through paint is getting some type of branding.
Well the ALX400 b7tls aren't going crimson (read somewhere all single decks and double deckers 4425 above will get crimsonised) maybe a red and white repaint
Quote from: Chris on April 06, 2016, 11:16:59 PM
Well the ALX400 b7tls aren't going crimson (read somewhere all single decks and double deckers 4425 above will get crimsonised) maybe a red and white repaint
But the ALX400 Tridents are, the 97 ones have already started to be done.
Quote from: 2206 on April 06, 2016, 11:21:25 PM
But the ALX400 Tridents are, the 97 ones have already started to be done.
Nothing below 4425 is going to receive Crimson or be re-trimmed in latest moquette
Quote from: Winston on April 06, 2016, 11:30:35 PM
Nothing below 4425 is going to receive Crimson or be re-trimmed in latest moquette
I know that I read it on here somewhere. The 03/53/04/54 plate Tridents will be done though, I never said they'll all be done.
Quote from: 2206 on April 06, 2016, 11:57:12 PM
I know that I read it on here somewhere. The 03/53/04/54 plate Tridents will be done though, I never said they'll all be done.
You switched the topic of conversation from Chris saying ALX400/B7TL aren't going to done in Crimson to 'But the ALX400 Tridents are'. What's your point? It's kinda pointing out the obvious, as we already know the 97 batch of Tridents are going through the paintshop, they have been for months.
Quote from: Winston on April 07, 2016, 12:07:24 AM
You switched the topic of conversation from Chris saying ALX400/B7TL aren't going to done in Crimson to 'But the ALX400 Tridents are'. What's your point? It's kinda pointing out the obvious, as we already know the 97 batch of Tridents are going through the paintshop, they have been for months.
To me it looked like he was replying to the two comments above his. Which say he wouldn't be surprised if the ALX400 get branded and he then says " it just seems like every bus going through repaint is getting some type of branding"
Then Chris says " Well the ALX400 B7TL aren't going Crimson." But the Tridents also have ALX400 bodywork, some of which will go Crimson which is why I posted that
Quote from: 2206 on April 07, 2016, 12:29:56 AM
To me it looked like he was replying to the two comments above his. Which say he wouldn't be surprised if the ALX400 get branded and he then says " it just seems like every bus going through repaint is getting some type of branding"
Then Chris says " Well the ALX400 B7TL aren't going Crimson." But the Tridents also have ALX400 bodywork, some of which will go Crimson which is why I posted that
You've lost me.... we all know that ALX400 bodywork is carried on Tridents as well as B7TL's, we already know late model ALX400 Tridents will receive Crimson (they are already going through paint) & inevitably some/somewhere will be branded.
Quote from: Winston on April 07, 2016, 12:44:01 AM
You've lost me.... we all know that ALX400 bodywork is carried on Tridents as well as B7TL's
Though In my opinion it didn't look as though he knew that. By saying this when replying "Well the ALX400 aren't going Crimson.".
To these two comments
Quote from: Ronnoc on April 06, 2016, 09:06:24 PM
I have to agree with that, it'll be a matter of time before they put some branding on the ALX400's.
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Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on April 06, 2016, 10:17:47 PM
I wouldn't be surprised ! It just seems as though every bus going through paint is getting some type of branding.
Quote from: Winston on April 07, 2016, 12:44:01 AM
You've lost me.... we all know that ALX400 bodywork is carried on Tridents as well as B7TL's, we already know late model ALX400 Tridents will receive Crimson (they are already going through paint) & inevitably some/somewhere will be branded.
He misunderstood and he's trying to baffle you to "protect his ego". I don't know why people don't hold their hands up to mistakes on here. We're all human lads.
Quote from: 2206 on April 07, 2016, 12:51:26 AM
Though In my opinion it didn't look as though he knew that. By saying this when replying "Well the ALX400 aren't going Crimson.".
To these two comments
Jesus Christ
@2206 i specifically mention Double Deckers
Above 4425
were getting crimsonised that the
ALX400-B7tls the volvo ones!
were not getting painted if i was on about the Tridents i would have put ALX400 Tridents! Hence why i put B7tl AFTER ALX 400, If the ALX400 B7TLS and the 41**/42**/43** ALX400 Tridents got too scruffy they would of repainted it into red and white (like a president did not long ago) and may even get branded (like the 11A/C) Its there actually a route that these buses are the sole type?
@MW my bad there, i didn't specify lol i meant solely ALX 400 B7tls.
Quote from: Chris on April 07, 2016, 10:26:57 AM
Jesus Christ @2206 i specifically mention Double Deckers Above 4425 were getting crimsonised that the ALX400-B7tls the volvo ones! were not getting painted if i was on about the Tridents i would have put ALX400 Tridents! Hence why i put B7tl AFTER ALX 400, If the ALX400 B7TLS and the 41**/42**/43** ALX400 Tridents got too scruffy they would of repainted it into red and white (like a president did not long ago) and may even get branded (like the 11A/C) Its there actually a route that these buses are the sole type?
The YW 76?
Quote from: MW on April 07, 2016, 01:33:09 PM
The YW 76?
I think he's referring to the B7TL ALX400 as opposed to Tridents.
Having gone through the Route Allocations Spreadsheet, I can't see a route which solely has the type, it seems to supplemented with another vehicle type
Does anyone really think new route branding would be applied to an old livery with buses with a mix including some well worn interiors?
The idea of route branding is to gain passengers
Ooooh another new livery for 28/05/2016 :P
Quote from: Tony on April 07, 2016, 03:27:55 PM
Does anyone really think new route branding would be applied to an old livery with buses with a mix including some well worn interiors?
The idea of route branding is to gain passengers
An example of this is the Coventry 4's which had never been refurbished. At least you can tell that it is a 4 with the massive pink sticker and they don't get thrown onto the 21 now as much... I personally don't think it has attracted any new customers though. Some arrive from Arena Tesco with around 10 on it...
Quote from: pndriver on April 10, 2016, 12:43:49 AM
Ooooh another new livery for 28/05/2016 :P
I surmise this is when the first Platinum is due?
Quote from: clayderman on April 10, 2016, 10:26:04 AM
I surmise this is when the first Platinum is due?
No, the new livery might appear before that date though
I'm guessing Queen's birthday special livery. Now if the colour of the stamps are the 'official' birthday colour, then a two tone version of that in the new style could be quite eye catching!
Quote from: Gareth on April 10, 2016, 12:49:36 PM
I'm guessing Queen's birthday special livery. Now if the colour of the stamps are the 'official' birthday colour, then a two tone version of that in the new style could be quite eye catching!
The Queens birthday. I'll never understand why people look up to the Queen and dedicate days to her. She's a human just like everyone else.
Quote from: MW on April 10, 2016, 03:09:12 PM
The Queens birthday. I'll never understand why people look up to the Queen and dedicate days to her. She's a human just like everyone else.
true say dude, wouldn't say no to a bank holiday though
Quote from: 2900 on April 12, 2016, 01:10:38 PM
true say dude, wouldn't say no to a bank holiday though
Its not a bank holiday though is it?
It will be a bit more in your face shall we say!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on April 12, 2016, 09:05:43 PM
It will be a bit more in your face shall we say!
I would imagine it may cause some controversy.
Quote from: P419 EJW on April 12, 2016, 09:09:17 PM
I would imagine it may cause some controversy.
Yeah wouldn't be surprised, interested to see it
Quote from: BU07 LGO on April 12, 2016, 09:23:41 PM
Yeah wouldn't be surprised, interested to see it
Likewise.
End of May? controversy? A rainbow painted one for Pride? 😝
Dignitas Mega rear?
;D
Just seen on Facebook what the new livery is. 4853 is now the pride bus.
Link to the post: https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154182546974224&id=512794223&set=gm.1080343948670794&source=48
Whats it look like? Is it pink version of crimson livery?
Quote from: Dom on April 27, 2016, 05:46:04 PM
Just seen on Facebook what the new livery is. 4853 is now the pride bus.
Link to the post: https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154182546974224&id=512794223&set=gm.1080343948670794&source=48
That is the second bus ending with 53 in a special livery! :D
Quote from: Chris on April 27, 2016, 06:02:08 PM
Whats it look like? Is it pink version of crimson livery?
Why pink? A bit stereotypical isn't it!
Quote from: Dom on April 27, 2016, 06:25:19 PM
Why pink? A bit stereotypical isn't it!
No it isn't as a gay man myself i do not see that as stereotypical. I was thinking that its an eye catching colour. To make it stand out within the fleet.
Quote from: Chris on April 27, 2016, 06:39:16 PM
No it isn't as a gay man myself i do not see that as stereotypical. I was thinking that its an eye catching colour. To make it stand out within the fleet.
I was right then with my guess of it being for pride! 😃 Nice to see NXWM supporting pride. And I'm pleased it's not pink!
Quote from: Chris on April 27, 2016, 06:39:16 PM
No it isn't as a gay man myself i do not see that as stereotypical. I was thinking that its an eye catching colour. To make it stand out within the fleet.
Plenty of pink buses in service as it is ::)
I'm glad it's not pink, good to see National express supporting pride aha, hope to see it in the parade.
Is that actually a new livery on 4853? Looks like an all over advert wrap.
Quote from: Mike K on April 29, 2016, 04:19:53 AM
Is that actually a new livery on 4853? Looks like an all over advert wrap.
It's an all over wrap but not really an advert
Quote from: Dom on April 29, 2016, 06:22:50 AM
It's an all over wrap but not really an advert
It's not an advert because NX have done it themselves, nobody has paid them to do it. Anything that covers a bus is a livery, even adverts
Can I see this please? I'm not on Facebook. Someone screenshot it please
Quote from: Liverpool Street on April 29, 2016, 10:07:00 AM
Can I see this please? I'm not on Facebook. Someone screenshot it please
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4853.html
Quote from: Sayeed on April 29, 2016, 10:39:46 AM
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4853.html
That doesn't look too bad, reminiscent of a seventies or eighties ad for Terry's chocolate.
When will the first new buses be arriving
This year
Quote from: The Real 4778 on April 29, 2016, 01:38:55 PM
That doesn't look too bad, reminiscent of a seventies or eighties ad for Terry's chocolate.
Yeah, I am remembering the packaging for Terry's Harlequins chocalates! :)
Quote from: D10 on April 30, 2016, 01:49:56 PM
Yeah, I am remembering the packaging for Terry's Harlequins chocalates! :)
Yes!!! I couldn't get the word Neapolitans out of my head - Great Shout!
http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_edin_t/0_edinburgh_transport_buses_advert_all_over_669_terrys_harlequin_offside_jd.jpg
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4853.html
It does look quite smart. Wonder how long it will be adorning the bus?
Quote from: markcf83 on May 03, 2016, 04:07:36 PM
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4853.html
It does look quite smart. Wonder how long it will be adorning the bus?
Looks even better in the flesh as I saw 4853 outside the Council building on Victoria Square
Can someone remind me when hetrosexual pride day is please? I don't recall any buses being wrapped for that, I'm not anti gay by any means, live and let live all day long, but why should this be shoved in my face? I'm glad I don't live down there.
Quote from: DavieDD2 on May 03, 2016, 07:06:44 PM
Can someone remind me when hetrosexual pride day is please? I don't recall any buses being wrapped for that, I'm not anti gay by any means, live and let live all day long, but why should this be shoved in my face? I'm glad I don't live down there.
I'm not anti straight by any means, live and let live all day long. Im glad you don't live down here either.
Pride is a weekend of events in Birmingham for all members of the community to join in and take part. NXWM have wrapped a bus for this event. No one is shoving it in you face.
Quote from: DavieDD2 on May 03, 2016, 07:06:44 PM
Can someone remind me when hetrosexual pride day is please? I don't recall any buses being wrapped for that, I'm not anti gay by any means, live and let live all day long, but why should this be shoved in my face? I'm glad I don't live down there.
There are various other events NX help promote and always provide vehicles to take part in, one example being the St Patricks Day Parade in Birmingham
Quote from: Gareth on May 03, 2016, 07:09:13 PM
I'm not anti straight by any means, live and let live all day long. Im glad you don't live down here either.
Pride is a weekend of events in Birmingham for all members of the community to join in and take part. NXWM have wrapped a bus for this event. No one is shoving it in you face.
Well said mate
Quote from: DavieDD2 on May 03, 2016, 07:06:44 PM
Can someone remind me when hetrosexual pride day is please? I don't recall any buses being wrapped for that, I'm not anti gay by any means, live and let live all day long, but why should this be shoved in my face? I'm glad I don't live down there.
Perhaps if you were afraid of telling people finding out that you were straight for fear of rejection, bullying or even violence then they may be a need for hetrosexual pride day!
As a gay NX employee it is good to see them trying to support staff and the community.
Price Branding.
I've only currently seen the new Price Branding on Gemini bodies; the B7TL and B5LH - notably, BC's early Hybrids and 4488/4489, I've seen, carrying the ads. Lothian buses come to mind for some reason; although, I find NX's approach much more eyecatching..
(Poor Quality) photo to come..
EDIT: Just seen 4244 with it..
Here's the photo of 4489: https://flic.kr/p/H6ugrE
Quote from: clayderman on May 17, 2016, 07:52:30 AM
Price Branding.
I've only currently seen the new Price Branding on Gemini bodies; the B7TL and B5LH - notably, BC's early Hybrids and 4488/4489, I've seen, carrying the ads. Lothian buses come to mind for some reason; although, I find NX's approach much more eyecatching..
(Poor Quality) photo to come..
I've just seen your photo on Flickr and straight away I thought of Lothain, although more of design has been put on the NX ones.
Quote from: Dom on May 17, 2016, 07:55:20 AM
I've just seen your photo on Flickr and straight away I thought of Lothain, although more of design has been put on the NX ones.
Precisely my point. ;) Not sure if you could make it out in the photo, but it's advertising the new £4 daysavers from after 9.30am and weekends - to be fair, you must be either blind or illiterate to miss that. Clever branding, really.. Should avoid some confrontation between the driver and passengers on some past experiences.
The current Lothian ones are low key and hard to read.
It is easier to appreciate this bus has been adjusted without the need for an "E"!
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/W6291i
Quote from: clayderman on May 17, 2016, 07:52:30 AM
Price Branding.
I've only currently seen the new Price Branding on Gemini bodies; the B7TL and B5LH - notably, BC's early Hybrids and 4488/4489, I've seen, carrying the ads. Lothian buses come to mind for some reason; although, I find NX's approach much more eyecatching..
(Poor Quality) photo to come..
EDIT: Just seen 4244 with it..
Here's the photo of 4489: https://flic.kr/p/H6ugrE
Quite a few vehicles have received it now including 4697.
Most of the PB Gemini's have the daysaver branding applied all the Gemini's I saw on the 94 have the branding applied as do some of the BC Trident 2's. Looks ok from inside too saw it on 4505 when I got the 94 from town. I agree it should stop arguments but how many people look up to the top windows?
Quote from: Nathan on May 17, 2016, 01:12:07 PM
4162 is another one that has recieved this advertising.
4607, 4609, 4618, 5508, 4187, A PB 42** B7TL ALX400 on the 7 today all have it and a 41** Trident which is on the 97.
With this daysaver sticker on the upper deck window probably going to be a fleet wide thing, do we really need mentioned every bus with it on? Maybe I'm just getting old, and not really into what's exciting the kids these days.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on May 17, 2016, 02:50:18 PM
I agree it should stop arguments but how many people look up to the top windows?
With a branding as bold as that, I'm sure it'd be hard not to! :P
Quote from: Gareth on May 17, 2016, 09:49:31 PM
With this daysaver sticker on the upper deck window probably going to be a fleet wide thing, do we really need mentioned every bus with it on? Maybe I'm just getting old, and not really into what's exciting the kids these days.
I understand what you mean.
To be fair, I've only initially mentioned it as no one else had. I've seen it yesterday afternoon on a Hybrid, though, I wasn't sure if I was seeing things or not. ::) It wasn't until this morning I saw more than one bus carrying the branding that I thought it was worth a mention.. ;)
Walked out of Haymarket with £3.50 in hand, looked at bus noticed it was £4, it does work but I knew where to look.
Seems like most if not all BC 41xx have got the new price branding. Also seen a few 46xx with it as well.
4609 has the PB seen and photographed on the 29 Thursday
Fares branding does have to be fancy to be effective even when the weather is dull.
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/G2o8C4
Bored with endless talk of branding, how about some news or just speculation regarding this years 'new deliveries'. On the question of branding anyone else take the view that NXWM have just about reached a point where if any more branding is applied to their vehicles it certainly won't enhance their on road appearance.
Quote from: RW on May 24, 2016, 05:24:55 PM
Bored with endless talk of branding, how about some news or just speculation regarding this years 'new deliveries'. On the question of branding anyone else take the view that NXWM have just about reached a point where if any more branding is applied to their vehicles it certainly won't enhance their on road appearance.
I like how you denounce the talk of branding and then go on to ask a question regarding it !
I think the branding is being somewhat overused. Buses out of paint are having it put on and even red/ white vehicles are having those strips on the top deck then you get the route branding as well.
Cheer up, I saw this understated headway branding on a Gemini last week.
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/CCg905
You happy about the branding or the billboard ?
Makes an excellent wallpaper for the phone.
Bus is on route 1d not the 10!
I'm don't mind Gemini's but posted it to cheer the heart of a fan!
I keep hearing rumours we losing ours in Coventry but there again a rumour went round they were going to branded for the 10 which just about gets back on thread!
Quote from: RW on May 24, 2016, 05:24:55 PM
Bored with endless talk of branding, how about some news or just speculation regarding this years 'new deliveries'. On the question of branding anyone else take the view that NXWM have just about reached a point where if any more branding is applied to their vehicles it certainly won't enhance their on road appearance.
I agree with you RW. I also think the branding is negated on double deckers by all the advertising, which just creates a confused image.
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/73e588
Must annoy marketing folk when the Finance Director puts the fares up once a year. They will need a bigger number for the rear adverts when the drivers wages are increased from £353.
Quote from: JoNi on May 25, 2016, 09:16:44 AM
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/73e588
Must annoy marketing folk when the Finance Director puts the fares up once a year. They will need a bigger number for the rear adverts when the drivers wages are increased from £353.
That does not look good.
Quote from: JoNi on May 25, 2016, 09:16:44 AM
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/73e588
Must annoy marketing folk when the Finance Director puts the fares up once a year. They will need a bigger number for the rear adverts when the drivers wages are increased from £353.
It appears to be like that on them all!
6709 is like that as well!
https://www.facebook.com/369276339910972/photos/a.495959533909318.1073742187.369276339910972/543401789165092/?type=3&theater
I don't like what appears to be a bit of a gap on the right hand side of the "Connecting Coventry" panel as it looks a bit un-neat to me.
Looks to me like someone just forgot to peel off the front of the transfer (assuming that is how they are applied)
The new transfer is fading, with sunlight and via the bus wash. Some that I have seen you can just about see the 5 underneath
Not sure if I missed this somewhere else, but I've just noticed that 3302-3305 have appeared on the main site as Wright Streetdecks (crimson) on order.
Are these intended for one garage or distribution around the network (or too early to say?)
Maybe for the X10?
Quote from: don on June 07, 2016, 02:08:55 PM
Not sure if I missed this somewhere else, but I've just noticed that 3302-3305 have appeared on the main site as Wright Streetdecks (crimson) on order.
Are these intended for one garage or distribution around the network (or too early to say?)
Currently in build for Pensnett garage
So will they be arriving in the next couple of weeks
Quote from: Tony on June 07, 2016, 02:56:55 PM
Currently in build for Pensnett garage
So what happened to the exclusive deal with ADL?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 07, 2016, 05:02:20 PM
So what happened to the exclusive deal with ADL?
Its been said hundreds of times, it wasn't an exclusive deal, it was just a deal that guaranteed 500 buses over 5 years from ADL.
Quote from: Tony on June 07, 2016, 02:56:55 PM
Currently in build for Pensnett garage
Are these part of the 100 due this year or additional to that?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 07, 2016, 05:02:20 PM
So what happened to the exclusive deal with ADL?
Thanks for raising this question
@Stuharris 6360, I wanted to know it too
Quote from: Dom on June 07, 2016, 05:10:46 PM
Its been said hundreds of times, it wasn't an exclusive deal, it was just a deal that guaranteed 500 buses over 5 years from ADL.
Sorry to disagree
@Dom but have found this
"Peter Coates, Managing Director of National Express UK Bus said: "This multi-year contract represents a major step forward in terms of revitalising our bus fleets – and in the way we do business.
By working exclusively with ADL we can harness the vast wealth of knowledge within our various engineering teams, improve vehicle reliability and performance, and give our customers better service."
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 07, 2016, 05:40:21 PM
Sorry to disagree @Dom but have found this
"Peter Coates, Managing Director of National Express UK Bus said: "This multi-year contract represents a major step forward in terms of revitalising our bus fleets – and in the way we do business. By working exclusively with ADL we can harness the vast wealth of knowledge within our various engineering teams, improve vehicle reliability and performance, and give our customers better service."
Fair enough, I was sure Id seen it that it wasn't an exclusive deal. I apologise.
QuoteThis multi-year contract represents a major step forward in terms of revitalising our bus fleets – and in the way we do business. By working exclusively with ADL...
"By working exclusively" is not to be read as an 'exclusive deal'. That quote was also made by Mr Coates a couple of years ago, and as we all know, things can change. NX can (and will) still honour their deal with ADL, but in the meantime what's not to say that there will be a need for more buses over what has been agreed with ADL? Nothing to stop NX sourcing buses from elsewhere, and it would be in NX's interests to source buses that were better value for money (obviously depending on what the evaluation results were, which I don't know, but one can only assume that NX have been sufficiently impressed with the StreetDeck if they have purchased more) if that were the case.
To be fair the expression "by working exclusively with ADL" does by definition mean to the exclusion of others. However, it's just the words of Peter Coates as opposed to contractual obligations, I can't see there's any way a bus company could or would sign up to a contract that forbids them buying from other suppliers.
Any chance we can get the eventual 3318-50 allocated to the 55 route please? 😝
Quote from: Gareth on June 07, 2016, 10:37:26 PM
Any chance we can get the eventual 3318-50 allocated to the 55 route please? 😝
eventual ?
Unless, the 55 is leaving BY, no chance mate !
An ex lea hall route ; yeah right lol
Please keep sending WM cast offs to Dundee, we love them! :/
Quote from: DavieDD2 on June 08, 2016, 12:03:50 AM
Please keep sending WM cast offs to Dundee, we love them! :/
The Geminis are alright aren't they?!
I've not driven 4700-17, but the 2004 ones here in Birmingham are sweet, not sure how the Dundee 2004 ones are though.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on June 07, 2016, 10:43:20 PM
eventual ?
Unless, the 55 is leaving BY, no chance mate !
I knew this would be misunderstood by many! The original 3318-50 were allocated to Washwood Heath in 1963 for the 55 route. Well before my time, I was only just born when the majority of the batch were being withdrawn. But it would be a nice link to the past! 😃
3306-3317 should work on the 60, and 3351-3383 on the 50 also!! These buses were all new when I was a mere lad!! And indeed the WH batch generally stayed there all of their lives.
I'm guessing PEs five vehicles might get used on some of the hillier routes - a good test for them!
Who knows, Dundee might end up with some 😉
Quote from: Gareth on June 08, 2016, 01:22:03 AM
I knew this would be misunderstood by many! The original 3318-50 were allocated to Washwood Heath in 1963 for the 55 route. Well before my time, I was only just born when the majority of the batch were being withdrawn. But it would be a nice link to the past! 😃
I was one that misunderstood but like you say it's in the past and these days ex Washwood heath routes especially are likely to get nothing lol
over all national express have bought 4 more streetdecks. will they be the last ones in the fleet or will more arrive after these ? (3302-3305)
Quote from: don on June 07, 2016, 02:08:55 PM
Not sure if I missed this somewhere else, but I've just noticed that 3302-3305 have appeared on the main site as Wright Streetdecks (crimson) on order.
Are these intended for one garage or distribution around the network (or too early to say?)
There is a logic that these would be for the new X10. But personally find it strange that it wouldn't be getting Platinum standard
Maybe when they are decked out they will be platinum standard
Quote from: Kevin on June 09, 2016, 03:37:38 PM
There is a logic that these would be for the new X10. But personally find it strange that it wouldn't be getting Platinum standard
Would that number of buses even be enough for the X10?
Who has said 3301/5 are going on the X10
Quote from: karl724223 on June 10, 2016, 10:18:54 PM
Who has said 3301/5 are going on the X10
I think people are making a correlation between new buses and a new route, I can see the reasoning but it doesn't necessarily mean its right,
Doubt they'd be platinum or they'd be in a different fleet number range
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on June 10, 2016, 10:40:00 PM
I think people are making a correlation between new buses and a new route, I can see the reasoning but it doesn't necessarily mean its right,
I think they will branded and used on the 9, allowing the X10 to be MMC operated by non branded examples.
I personally think the streetdecks will be used to upgrade the much maligned 289 service
Quote from: 2900 on June 11, 2016, 12:05:55 PM
I personally think the streetdecks will be used to upgrade the much maligned 289 service
Nice idea, but... More chance of flying on Concorde :)
What about the 129 ?
Or what about the 141 ????
Quote from: 2900 on June 11, 2016, 12:05:55 PM
I personally think the streetdecks will be used to upgrade the much maligned 289 service
no
Quote from: pndriver on June 11, 2016, 05:31:35 PM
What about the 129 ?
Or what about the 141 ????
141 will be the X10 24/7/16
140 maybe?
I know that it has been clearly stated on this site that only deckers from 4425 will be repainted crimson, but will an exception be made for 4177 and the other early Tridents which have received new engines?
Quote from: Eric Shaw on June 13, 2016, 09:28:37 AM
I know that it has been clearly stated on this site that only deckers from 4425 will be repainted crimson, but will an exception be made for 4177 and the other early Tridents which have received new engines?
I doubt it. Although saying that, 4076 went into the Dundee version.
The first bit of trident price branding has been done. 4447 has now been hit with it.
Also I have noticed that the colour of the price branding for the new branding style is a gold color. Yes for the 9 and the 50 its the regular branding colour, why is this?
Quote from: Dom on June 13, 2016, 03:09:24 PM
The first bit of trident price branding has been done. 4447 has now been hit with it.
Also I have noticed that the colour of the price branding for the new branding style is a gold color. Yes for the 9 and the 50 its the regular branding colour, why is this?
The price branding for the 82/7 is also the regular branding colour.
Gold could be the colour for all new price branding, with our doubles and singles, and Acocks Green's Geminis
Anyone else here a bit pissed about the latest daysaver stickers on the front windows. On the ALX400 bodies combined with that bloody handrail across the window it really restricts the view and makes me feel a bit sick if I'm sat right at the front
Quote from: Kevin on June 16, 2016, 07:36:11 AM
Anyone else here a bit pissed about the latest daysaver stickers on the front windows. On the ALX400 bodies combined with that bloody handrail across the window it really restricts the view and makes me feel a bit sick if I'm sat right at the front
Don't sit at the front then...
I once complained to Arriva North East about a badly positioned sticker on the front. They replied it had been put in the wrong place. Mind you that was a scenic coastal route! If you're not happy complain citing the Marketing department as the person you want a reply from.
Quote from: Kevin on June 16, 2016, 07:36:11 AM
Anyone else here a bit pissed about the latest daysaver stickers on the front windows. On the ALX400 bodies combined with that bloody handrail across the window it really restricts the view and makes me feel a bit sick if I'm sat right at the front
I noticed that. However I just sit up straight in order to see out of the window. However when I was on 4257 on Tuesday in the heavy rain, I did notice it stopped the water leaking in at the front. Usually ALX400's are known to leak quite bad during rain, but no water got in at all.
Quote from: RW on March 07, 2015, 06:35:32 PM
Hope it's not green. Haven't NX heard the saying 'red and green should never be seen'. Would be a terrible clash with the new livery!
I think that should be ' blue' and green?... ;)
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on June 16, 2016, 07:55:23 AM
Don't sit at the front then...
Whilst it is a valid statement, there's not really any other seats a 6ft4in man like me can actually fit
Quote from: Kevin on June 16, 2016, 07:36:11 AM
Anyone else here a bit pissed about the latest daysaver stickers on the front windows. On the ALX400 bodies combined with that bloody handrail across the window it really restricts the view and makes me feel a bit sick if I'm sat right at the front
I'm certain, as with a lot of these problems including contravision, it is a case of people sat in an office designing these things who do not travel on the vehicles themselves.
What I find even more amazing, is the bus companies concerned don't appear to care what the passengers think, otherwise they wouldn't allow it to happen.
At the end of the day, windows are there to be looked out of and to create light inside the vehicles, something NXWM as well as many other operators quite happily forget at their peril. After all, for each passenger they lose, that could amount to a fair amount of revenue over a period of time.
I appreciate operators stick fares information on windows so that paintwork isn't damaged when fares increase and they have to be replaced. That doesn't justify it, but it does keep the Engineering manager happy!
Quote from: JoNi on June 17, 2016, 08:58:55 AM
I appreciate operators stick fares information on windows so that paintwork isn't damaged when fares increase and they have to be replaced. That doesn't justify it, but it does keep the Engineering manager happy!
Your not in marketing are you JoNi? :)
Quote from: Kevin on June 16, 2016, 12:12:17 PM
Whilst it is a valid statement, there's not really any other seats a 6ft4in man like me can actually fit
At that height not sure those stickers would get in your line of vision, the handrail might.
Quote from: Bryan on June 17, 2016, 08:35:57 AM
I'm certain, as with a lot of these problems including contravision, it is a case of people sat in an office designing these things who do not travel on the vehicles themselves.
What I find even more amazing, is the bus companies concerned don't appear to care what the passengers think, otherwise they wouldn't allow it to happen.
At the end of the day, windows are there to be looked out of and to create light inside the vehicles, something NXWM as well as many other operators quite happily forget at their peril. After all, for each passenger they lose, that could amount to a fair amount of revenue over a period of time.
An ALX400 with the fare stickers on the front window still has a greater area of glass to look through than a Birmingham Fleetline (3250-3880) did, but I never saw many people moaning about lack of vision in those.
Quote from: Tony on June 17, 2016, 10:04:05 AM
At that height not sure those stickers would get in your line of vision, the handrail might.
At the risk of getting banned from this site Tony, nothing blocking passenger views out of windows of buses is acceptable to passengers!
Quote from: Bryan on June 17, 2016, 10:09:56 AM
At the risk of getting banned from this site Tony, nothing blocking passenger views out of windows of buses is acceptable to passengers!
I don't ban people for expressing views I find the handrail far more annoying than the stickers, but the handrail has to be there nowadays, probably as a result of the larger windows ironically on a fleetline there was no chance of you getting thrown against the front window and forcing it out you would just have a lot of bruises from that cross check aluminium.
Quote from: Tony on June 17, 2016, 10:15:49 AM
I don't ban people for expressing views I find the handrail far more annoying than the stickers, but the handrail has to be there nowadays, probably as a result of the larger windows ironically on a fleetline there was no chance of you getting thrown against the front window and forcing it out you would just have a lot of bruises from that cross check aluminium.
Oh, I give up. I was not talking about handrails but stickers on bus windows!!!!
I met you once in Walsall and you were very helpful. However, I don't like the many sarcastic comments you make to many other contributors. My account will be deleted within 24 hours, unless I suspect you delete it beforehand.
Quote from: Bryan on June 17, 2016, 10:37:32 AM
Oh, I give up. I was not talking about handrails but stickers on bus windows!!!!
I met you once in Walsall and you were very helpful. However, I don't like the many sarcastic comments you make to many other contributors. My account will be deleted within 24 hours, unless I suspect you delete it beforehand.
Where's the sarcasm in that? All I was saying was if I sit in the front seat the handrail is in my line of sight not the sticker on the bottom of the window.
Incidently I think I have only ever deleted 2 people from herein the 4 years it has been going, Anybody is free to have any view as long as it isn't offensive or a personal attack
<The other moderators have also deleted about 3 or 4 people>
I've deleted more people off here than Tony.
Bryan, you're doing nothing wrong. Nobody is getting banned or deleted
Attempting to bring the thread back on track, Im assuming all red/ white buses which support route branding when they get repainted, will they still have the branding but in the new style ? I.e will the newly crimson E400 buses at PB get 33 branding and so on
There will be 96 platinum ADL buses delivered this year along with 4 streetdecks.
@GeminiFan1991 the crimson enviro's will start to receive updated branding next week
Quote from: pndriver on June 17, 2016, 12:34:29 PM
There will be 96 platinum ADL buses delivered this year along with 4 streetdecks.
@GeminiFan1991 the crimson enviro's will start to receive updated branding next week
And before anyone asks, final allocations of the 96 E400MMCs are not fully decided yet, they are not just being kept quiet to annoy anybody
45 Platinums confirmed to be heading to upgrade the Outer Circle.
Lmfao as if...
I prefer the shape of the streetdecks to the MMCs, saw one on the 144 the other day and it looked very smart. Love the curved roof at the back. Though saying that the back of the MMCs look better without the rear downstairs window covered in advertising.
Hope they get more than just the 4 on order and 3301 and they don't become like Perry Barrs double decker scanias - a very low percentage of the fleet.
Will this year's new buses start to have boys name? As Dundee 434 is called Ryan
*Edited
@Kiewii typo error there
Quote from: Chris on June 17, 2016, 05:05:02 PM
Will this year's new buses start to have boys name? As Dundee 734 is called Ryan
434 is named Ryan.
They are only named after the people who 'designed' the new livery.
Quote from: MW on June 17, 2016, 02:38:26 PM
45 Platinums confirmed to be heading to upgrade the Outer Circle.
Lmfao as if...
More chance of 4512 returning to WB. Any news on the platinums for WN
@Sh4318 37 Platinums for WN. Delivery dates have not been mentioned.
Why are there so many sections of fleet numbers, wouldn't be more sensible to number the StreetDecks 6149-6153 (instead of 3301-3305) ?
The hybrids could be 6001 upwards (instead of 54xx and 55xx)
From memory I don't think they are hybrids. I may be wrong on this one....
Quote from: Steve3229vp on June 18, 2016, 01:22:10 PM
Why are there so many sections of fleet numbers, wouldn't be more sensible to number the StreetDecks 6149-6153 (instead of 3301-3305) ?
The hybrids could be 6001 upwards (instead of 54xx and 55xx)
The wouldn't as now they keep different types of buses fleetnumbers separate.
Quote from: markcf83 on June 18, 2016, 01:58:15 PM
From memory I don't think they are hybrids. I may be wrong on this one....
???
There's a fleet of 48 hybrids based at Birmingham Central (BC), Wolverhampton (WN), and Dundee..
Enviro 400H (5401 - 5430)
Volvo B5LH (5501 - 5518)
All of which are also in a green livery.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on June 18, 2016, 01:22:10 PM
Why are there so many sections of fleet numbers, wouldn't be more sensible to number the StreetDecks 6149-6153 (instead of 3301-3305) ?
The hybrids could be 6001 upwards (instead of 54xx and 55xx)
The bendi buses are 6001-6032 which is why they went for 54xx and 55xx which makes sense. 3225 is a Heritage Bus which is why 3301 was chosen for the street decks and why should have NX put the Street decks in with the MMCs why not keep them separate makes more sense to me if I'm honest.
As for sensibility to be honest how NX have done it makes more sense then the old way, but in all honesty its up to NX to decide not us its there fleet and numbers to issue as they see fit.
Street Deck 3301 was a 'seed' vehicle presumably provided to NX at no cost? NX are now purchasing 4 more Street Decks. Does this indicate that NX are considering purchasing further Street Decks outside the ADL agreement? If not why add 5 non standard vehicles to their fleet with the problems that can bring?
Just for light relief...
Is this a sneak preview of new buses for the 529? Complete with on board entertainment!
And it is a Dennis chassis too...
Quote from: RW on June 19, 2016, 06:51:12 PM
Street Deck 3301 was a 'seed' vehicle presumably provided to NX at no cost? NX are now purchasing 4 more Street Decks. Does this indicate that NX are considering purchasing further Street Decks outside the ADL agreement? If not why add 5 non standard vehicles to their fleet with the problems that can bring?
I thought that seed vehicles were offered at an incentivised cost in the hope that operators would then go on to purchase more, rather than being provided free.
Anyone else think the platinum brand is being diluted with all the mmcs being platinum? Would have been nice to see some standard crimsons aswell
I would love to see some Gemini 3 making up the orders although it seems quite unlikely !
Quote from: BU07 LGO on June 20, 2016, 10:32:02 AM
Anyone else think the platinum brand is being diluted with all the mmcs being platinum? Would have been nice to see some standard crimsons aswell
Whilst I agree some Chrimsons would of been nice I don't agree that the Platinum brand is being diluted, NX are committing to upgrade key routes in order to make bus travel more appealing so it stands to reason that they will upgrade more routes. If every single bus that was ordered from now then I'd agree, but for the moment I think they are upgrading very sensible routes.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on June 20, 2016, 10:34:46 AM
I would love to see some Gemini 3 making up the orders although it seems quite unlikely !
Give me a good Volvo any day :D
Quote from: Driver03 on June 20, 2016, 10:40:51 AM
Give me a good Volvo any day :D
The Streetdeck proved to a good enough to warrant an order so I hope the short stint of the Gemini 3 demonstrator has proved to be fruitful.
3302 and 3003
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ulsterbusphotos/27779514716/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ulsterbusphotos/27786723506/
Quote from: John on June 21, 2016, 08:25:29 PM
3302 and 3003
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ulsterbusphotos/27779514716/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ulsterbusphotos/27786723506/
Great news!
Looking immaculate as ever.
Quote from: John on June 21, 2016, 08:25:29 PM
3302 and 3003
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ulsterbusphotos/27779514716/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ulsterbusphotos/27786723506/
Great ! They don't seem that far off !
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on June 21, 2016, 09:14:17 PM
Great ! They don't seem that far off !
There's actually due tomorrow
Presuming the Sutton corridor gets upgraded vehicles in the next few months, would I be right in saying the Bristol Road and Alum Rock corridors would be the only ones in Birmingham without crimson (or vehicles in the process of repaint), or fairly recent route branded vehicles (such as Soho Road, Harborne, Pershore Road)?
Quote from: don on June 22, 2016, 01:35:13 PM
Presuming the Sutton corridor gets upgraded vehicles in the next few months, would I be right in saying the Bristol Road and Alum Rock corridors would be the only ones in Birmingham without crimson (or vehicles in the process of repaint), or fairly recent route branded vehicles (such as Soho Road, Harborne, Pershore Road)?
The Alum Rock branding is fairly new. About 18months maybe.
City - fox and goose corridor gets nothing not even branding.
To be fair why would they want to advertise they go to Fox n Goose. Blaaaady sh*thole lmao
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 22, 2016, 06:44:56 PM
City - fox and goose corridor gets nothing not even branding.
Neither does the 65/67.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 22, 2016, 06:44:56 PM
City - fox and goose corridor gets nothing not even branding.
What's the Fox and Goose corridor? I'm using my initiative here, but do you mean any bus serving the Fox and Goose (to and from City)? Because, whilst being a short lived branding, the 55's were branded blue for a while. ??? It's no 94, but nevertheless, it was still branding.
Also, IIRC Tridents, when at Lea Hall(?), were branded for the 94 anyway - back in the TWM days
Quote from: clayderman on June 22, 2016, 06:53:17 PM
What's the Fox and Goose corridor?
Washwood Heath Road serivces - 55/A, 56, 70 and 94.
Quote from: 2206 on June 22, 2016, 06:58:35 PM
Washwood Heath Road serivces - 55/A, 56, 70 and 94.
Doesn't the 72 serve Washwood Heath?
Quote from: MW on June 22, 2016, 07:07:37 PM
Doesn't the 72 serve Washwood Heath?
Between Drews Lane and Saltley.
Quote from: 2206 on June 22, 2016, 07:12:23 PM
Between Drews Lane and Saltley.
Yeah so why do people complain about that corridor then?
I do when I'm procrastinating, I was referring to the city - fox and goose corridor ( which 72 does not serve). Hodge common is the specific part I moan about but it's my house tenants problems. Got much better transport facilities down in London.
Quote from: Gareth on June 22, 2016, 03:40:03 PM
The Alum Rock branding is fairly new. About 18months maybe.
I was meaning the 94 etc. The Bristol Road seems to be lacking also, with its elderly Tridents.
Totally agree with Bristol RD etc . My main gripe is that it seems to be the same routes that get treatment every couple of years be it some routes getting 3 different types of brandings in as nearly as many years. There is a severe lack of distribution of resource and investment, I don't care how big the network is. Any that's my gripe for this quarter.
Simple if there was a long term vision then comments like this wouldn't need to be aired. Plays into the hands of those who believe in centralised control.
First basic details of Wolverhampton's platinums are now on the main site
Who in their right mind would upgrade the Bristol Road?
I'll give you the number to my doctor if you need a stronger prescription
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 05, 2016, 08:26:06 PM
Who in their right mind would upgrade the Bristol Road?
I'll give you the number to my doctor if you need a stronger prescription
The same right minded person upgrading the 529 probably lol.
Two out of the four ex 529 Trident's have had the new 10 branding applied. The other two are being done as I type this. The new 10 branding is near enough the same as the 529 branding. Same style and same colour.
Dont suppose theres any chance of Walsalls 11 & 13 being branded again, is there?
2001 now branded for the 2. Caught me by surprise just in Wolverhampton!
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 31, 2016, 08:59:03 AM
2001 now branded for the 2. Caught me by surprise just in Wolverhampton!
Watch for lots more new branding in Wolverhampton
Quote from: Tony on July 31, 2016, 09:17:49 AM
Watch for lots more new branding in Wolverhampton
Just got a mobile phone shot in Warstones (as my camera is dead at the moment).
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 31, 2016, 09:31:43 AM
Just got a mobile phone shot in Warstones (as my camera is dead at the moment).
@Michael Bevan great photo! However the branding colour is awful!!! It's the blue on the grill that irritates me, talk about a clash of colours! >:(
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 31, 2016, 09:31:43 AM
Just got a mobile phone shot in Warstones (as my camera is dead at the moment).
Just going to say that is a horrid colour. Also why is the new logo on the side?
And what's does it say under the nxwm logo on the side?
Quote from: Jack6101 on July 31, 2016, 10:27:41 AM
And what's does it say under the nxwm logo on the side?
Proudly serving the city of Wolverhampton since 1900.
Just when NXWM have found a decent delivery, branding style and identity, they come back with 2001.
Work experience in the marketing office this week? 🙈
Quote from: Tony on July 31, 2016, 09:17:49 AM
Watch for lots more new branding in Wolverhampton
Routes 1, 5, 6, 10 will have new/revised branding apparently?
would it not have been better to tidy up, or repaint these into crimson before branding? I bet allocation will be a nightmare with all the branded plus platinums due
Quote from: mranon on July 31, 2016, 12:57:05 PM
would it not have been better to tidy up, or repaint these into crimson before branding? I bet allocation will be a nightmare with all the branded plus platinum's due
Especially with how scruffy a lot of the B7RLE's look.
Quote from: Dom on July 31, 2016, 10:13:08 AM
Just going to say that is a horrid colour. Also why is the new logo on the side?
Is that a brownish orange colour alongside the blue?
Hideous.
I don't like all the vinyls they put on the front of branded Eclipse 2s. Tacky and garish, polar opposite to an unbranded Crimson vehicle.
Quote from: Mike K on July 31, 2016, 01:13:44 PM
Is that a brownish orange colour alongside the blue?
Hideous.
I don't like all the vinyl they put on the front of branded Eclipse 2s. Tacky and garish, polar opposite to an unbranded Crimson vehicle.
Yes that's what I'm on about
@Mike K I think the blue is as well, does not sit on the red at all.
I agree with the front vinyl. I don't get why they don't just fully cover the sides of the destination display, same goes for the E200MMC.
I think if the branding was applied to a crimson livery, it would work okay, except for the brown.
Quote from: Tony on July 31, 2016, 09:17:49 AM
Watch for lots more new branding in Wolverhampton
The current 6 branding still looks great IMO.
New 1, 5 and 10 branding would be good. Any chance of a 3 or 4 branded?
I have to question the use of the brown alongside the blue but I can't be the only who actually likes it ? These branded B7RLE's look good in my opinion, the X96 B7RLE's @ PN look quite good, I prefer them to the newer style as the branding is comparatively less.
The newer style branding just looks like a big route number on the side and thats it, why not just use the advert space if not already used to further promote the route ?
Read all the comments before seeing the pic. It's not THAT bad. Rather that than the green branding era we went through (shudder)
Looking at a clearer image the 'brown' bit doesn't actually look brown, looks more gold.
Quote from: uniquicity on July 31, 2016, 08:25:25 PM
Read all the comments before seeing the pic. It's not THAT bad. Rather that than the green branding era we went through (shudder)
My sentiments exactly. I still remember when 4226 went around with that empty green branding
Do we have a date for when the new buses will be in service at Wolverhampton
Quote from: Solo1 on August 01, 2016, 01:37:07 PM
Do we have a date for when the new buses will be in service at Wolverhampton
Personally I can see it being the bank holiday this month they launch it. Have thought this for quite a while.
Quite like that branding actually - stands out and good chance for a tidy of some of the Eclipses. The location of the name and the application of the badge looks better than the previous white on red set up.
Only a few days left to wait until the deliveries start
Does any one now what day there ment to start being delivered?
Quote from: Jack6101 on August 06, 2016, 10:01:14 PM
Does any one now what day there ment to start being delivered?
No, just says 'in just a few days time' in the company brief.
1512 is now in the new training livery with the branding applied (credit to
@Tony for the information from his photo).
after seeing the influx of new branding in wn this last week or so, I cant believe they did this without at least tidying the vehicles up. I saw a 10 branded b7rle that's in dire need of some panel straightening and they have stuck the Wolverhampton logo over it. theres one which has had a new brilliant white panel on the no.2 new name sticker goes through it. this was ideal opportunity to bring crimson in route by route a wn. even so, I think the branding is imposing, but shows things up for the wrong reasons.
1450 is now in the new training livery.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on August 11, 2016, 01:17:55 PM
1450 is now in the new training livery.
I would take it eventually all B10's will gain the training branding
Quote from: Nathan on August 06, 2016, 10:18:31 PM
No, just says 'in just a few days time' in the company brief.
Given that at least the first ten of them will carry 16 plates,it cannot be far off their arrival in the West Midlands I'd have thought.....
Quote from: markcf83 on August 11, 2016, 04:17:30 PM
Given that at least the first ten of them will carry 16 plates,it cannot be far off their arrival in the West Midlands I'd have thought.....
Are ADL on their 2 week summer break at the moment or was that last month??
It was last month. Stagecoach have been delivering Enviros to Manchester and Newcastle in the last week or two.
Some platimuns being delivered today according to nxwm Twitter...
5408 is now in the new 1 branding.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on August 21, 2016, 10:17:09 AM
5408 is now in the new 1 branding.
Was out yesterday. Branding hasn't been fully applied yet.
Does it look anything as awful as the monstrosities on the 2/3/4 etc?
Does anyone else (Apart from me) think the 3 horizontal lines on the Omnilinks just underneath the front company logo should have been painted Gold ?
The new platinums look much better with the Black Headlights, can't see much of a difference with the alloys but it's probably one of those things that is better appreciated in the flesh rather than on a screen.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on August 21, 2016, 07:02:10 PM
Does anyone else (Apart from me) think the 3 horizontal lines on the Omnilinks just underneath the front company logo should have been painted Gold ?
I have never understood why they paint over the silver headlights on them either, I reckon gold would look good ;)
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6760.html
That branding looks spectacular. I appreciate the extra effort gone into designing those graphics; it looks phenomenal. :o
Quote from: clayderman on August 22, 2016, 10:56:23 PM
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6760.html
That branding looks spectacular. I appreciate the extra effort gone into designing those graphics; it looks phenomenal. :o
Epic fail, can't believe that was overlooked ! The big one on rear is even funnier!
Quote from: clayderman on August 22, 2016, 10:56:23 PM
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6760.html
That branding looks spectacular. I appreciate the extra effort gone into designing those graphics; it looks phenomenal. :o
Quite literally..
Somehow I can't see that branding actually making it into service :D :D
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 22, 2016, 11:58:46 PM
Epic fail, can't believe that was overlooked ! The big one on rear is even funnier!
The graphic on the rear branding looks a bit wrong. 😂
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 22, 2016, 11:58:46 PM
Epic fail, can't believe that was overlooked ! The big one on rear is even funnier!
Can't quite make it out from the side picture - something about USB power?
Quote from: Mike K on August 23, 2016, 10:45:20 AM
Can't quite make it out from the side picture - something about USB power?
Yep, these platinums will have usb sockets.
Quote from: Mike K on August 23, 2016, 10:45:20 AM
Can't quite make it out from the side picture - something about USB power?
The picture on the back looks like the man is pleasuring himself!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 23, 2016, 04:09:31 PM
The picture on the back looks like the man is pleasuring himself!
Where can I view these pictures?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 23, 2016, 04:16:51 PM
Where can I view these pictures?
why do you need to pleasure yourself 😂
@pndriver @Dom
Quote from: karl724223 on August 23, 2016, 04:30:52 PM
why do you need to pleasure yourself 😂 @pndriver @Dom
So that's what the mysterious white mark on the back of the seat was
@Trident 4194 @karl724223 &
@Dom what you do in your own time should remain private 😂
I rode on 6761 on the 529 today. I wasn't too surprised that it had stop/start like 2203/4 but I wasn't expecting the Voith gearbox. The stop/start was smoother than 2203/4.
Quote from: Stevo on September 01, 2016, 07:00:18 PM
I rode on 6761 on the 529 today. I wasn't too surprised that it had stop/start like 2203/4 but I wasn't expecting the Voith gearbox. The stop/start was smoother than 2203/4.
I travelled on 6760 and 6764 along the full route, the voithness is brillaint, great change from ZF, sound a lot better in my personal opinion. The start stop is very strange at first but you do become used to it, I prefer the start stop of the B5's though personally.
Quote from: Dom on September 01, 2016, 07:16:00 PM
I travelled on 6760 and 6764 along the full route, the voithness is brillaint, great change from ZF, sound a lot better in my personal opinion. The start stop is very strange at first but you do become used to it, I prefer the start stop of the B5's though personally.
im not to bothered about a bus starting but I like it to stop does that count
@Dom
Quote from: karl724223 on September 01, 2016, 07:42:13 PM
im not to bothered about a bus starting but I like it to stop does that count @Dom
But if it doesn't start it can't stop ;)
@karl724223
I did think that the engine did sound a bit different compared to last year's e400 mmc
Have any more of the batch been delivered yet?
Don't think it has been mentioned yet but 5421 now has the new 1 branding like 5408 does
Quote from: don on September 05, 2016, 06:31:57 PM
Have any more of the batch been delivered yet?
6759-68,70 up until yesterday
I know of one more to come... http://stv.tv/news/stirling-central/1366059-record-breaking-7-3m-grant-leads-to-more-than-100-new-jobs/
Quote from: DavieDD2 on September 05, 2016, 07:09:57 PM
I know of one more to come... http://stv.tv/news/stirling-central/1366059-record-breaking-7-3m-grant-leads-to-more-than-100-new-jobs/
I think it's 6771
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on September 05, 2016, 06:51:48 PM
Don't think it has been mentioned yet but 5421 now has the new 1 branding like 5408 does
Do all Wolverhampton branded routes now have the brown stripe and detailing? Can't say I'm a fan.
Quote from: Mike K on September 05, 2016, 08:57:18 PM
Do all Wolverhampton branded routes now have the brown stripe and detailing? Can't say I'm a fan.
All the branded Volvo Eclipse 2s have the new branding but the 1 has only got a few Enviro Hybrids with this new branding so far. The only other branded routes are the 54/154 which I haven't seen any mention of gaining the brown stripe etc branding.
Quote from: Mike K on September 05, 2016, 08:57:18 PM
Do all Wolverhampton branded routes now have the brown stripe and detailing? Can't say I'm a fan.
Yes. Why they have only part of the gold strip on the 1 branding (well, will be covered up with adverts) but whilst it doesn't have ads, looks poor.
Quote from: Nathan on September 05, 2016, 09:29:00 PM
Yes. Why they have only part of the gold strip on the 1 branding (well, will be covered up with adverts) but whilst it doesn't have ads, looks poor.
No, the 54 and 154 don't have the gold or brown strip.
Quote from: Dom on September 05, 2016, 09:31:14 PM
No, the 54 and 154 don't have the gold or brown strip.
Yes i know. Simply forgot to mention.
With pensnett getting new electric single deckers for the 120 wonder if they will be in the platinum livery
Quote from: karl724223 on September 21, 2016, 07:46:08 PM
With pensnett getting new electric single deckers for the 120 wonder if they will be in the platinum livery
Wait.
I've been sniggering for a while at this idea assuming it to be just trolling some of the veg on here.
Is this legit happening?
Quote from: Kevin on September 21, 2016, 07:49:26 PM
Wait.
I've been sniggering for a while at this idea assuming it to be just trolling some of the veg on here.
Is this legit happening?
http://www.eurotransportmagazine.com/20058/news/industry-news/cleaner-buses-west-midlands-3m-funding-win/
They could let be for the 140?? Not up on prvs bit living alone gn the 120 route I wonder if it would be practical... I say this because if hills and all that jazz... Will an electric bus be powerful enough to take city Road.
Quote from: danny on September 21, 2016, 08:48:19 PM
They could let be for the 140?? Not up on prvs bit living alone gn the 120 route I wonder if it would be practical... I say this because if hills and all that jazz... Will an electric bus be powerful enough to take city Road.
Electricity - lacking power to climb a hill? are you being serious?
Electricity can provide far more power at the wheel than diesel ever will. The only problem stopping electric vehicles being commonplace is the storage of enough electricity to last the day
Quote from: Tony on September 21, 2016, 09:01:55 PM
The only problem stopping electric vehicles being commonplace is the storage of enough electricity to last the day
The weight of batteries can be an issue - in fact the five double deckers currently running in London have a Gross Vehicle Weight of 19 tonnes and can only operate as such because of a derogation according to a recent Bus and Coach Buyer article.
One answer to this (but recently rejected at public enquiry re NGT in Leeds) is overhead line powered EVs where it was once possible to operate a 70 seater vehicle with a GVW of less than 13 tons.
Another issue is the premium price of EVs (due to low production volumes) as compared to diesel powered vehicles, grant funding therefore being required to make EVs viable.
Quote from: Walsall1955 on September 21, 2016, 10:05:40 PM
The weight of batteries can be an issue - in fact the five double deckers currently running in London have a Gross Vehicle Weight of 19 tonnes and can only operate as such because of a derogation according to a recent Bus and Coach Buyer article.
One answer to this (but recently rejected at public enquiry re NGT in Leeds) is overhead line powered EVs where it was once possible to operate a 70 seater vehicle with a GVW of less than 13 tons.
Another issue is the premium price of EVs (due to low production volumes) as compared to diesel powered vehicles, grant funding therefore being required to make EVs viable.
Does anyone know if it is possible to feasibly convert a diesel bus to electric. If this was possible, this may be the answer as the cost would surely be less than buying a brand new electric bus as the body and chassis would cost 'nothing' if you get what I mean?
In this week's CBW there's an article on a company doing just that.
They've converted two buses already. One is an Arriva London Gemini3. I can't remember what the other is.
The other is Reading 205, an Enviro 400H. They are concerned about the cost of replacing batteries after the warranty is up.
I drove 4177 the other day and thinking back to when it appeared in it's trial livery, I much prefered that to the crimson.
What's your thoughts - 4177 trial livery or crimson?
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4177.html
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on September 28, 2016, 02:03:34 PM
I drove 4177 the other day and thinking back to when it appeared in it's trial livery, I much prefered that to the crimson.
What's your thoughts - 4177 trial livery or crimson?
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4177.html
To me the trial livery on 4177 seems to have more of the London livery look but without the white roundel on it, so I personally prefer the two tone crimson livery if I am honest
Quote from: Eric Shaw on September 22, 2016, 07:36:07 PM
The other is Reading 205, an Enviro 400H. They are concerned about the cost of replacing batteries after the warranty is up.
The reading bus (investment) was just on the local new down here quoting a £1m each x6 with sofa's etc bla bla bla
I think the two-tone crimson with gold lining etc is far more stylish. 4177 looked like a London bus and that livery is very dull. The New Routemasters need something like NXWM livery.
4456
4469
4471
4473
Assume these still haven't been branded yet?
Quote from: uniquicity on November 28, 2016, 11:11:23 PM
4456
4469
4471
4473
Assume these still haven't been branded yet?
Not by Saturday 19th they weren't. Sorry that's probably abit vague.
I notice 1756/57 have blue branding for the 301 / 302 in
@Tony 's latest pictures of them!
Quote from: Adam 404 on November 29, 2016, 03:52:39 PM
I notice 1756/57 have blue branding for the 301 / 302 in @Tony 's latest pictures of them!
All of 1750-7 have been done
Every 3 mins in bold with the small upto at the top ummmmmmm...
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 29, 2016, 07:15:55 PM
Every 3 mins in bold with the small upto at the top ummmmmmm...
It is every 3 minutes for 12 hours a day, so not a con
So it's not more like 3 and 6 mins apart if one service is 6 mins and the other is 12 ? Can see the point I don't see why my ex locals city to fox and goose doesn't get similar treatment ?
Quote from: Tony on November 29, 2016, 07:17:18 PM
It is every 3 minutes for 12 hours a day, so not a con
Does that corridor warrant that sort of frequency?
Sometimes when I catch one during the day, I reckon there's a quarter of a load on there!
(Not counting Diamond or Arriva)
Surely the frequency is for the benefit of Walsall depot drivers?
Quote from: Westy on November 29, 2016, 10:50:56 PM
Does that corridor warrant that sort of frequency?
Sometimes when I catch one during the day, I reckon there's a quarter of a load on there!
(Not counting Diamond or Arriva)
Surely the frequency is for the benefit of Walsall depot drivers?
Think it's due to the competition
Quote from: Tony on November 29, 2016, 07:17:18 PM
It is every 3 minutes for 12 hours a day, so not a con
Just like the 9 up to every 7 mins
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 30, 2016, 09:27:54 AM
Just like the 9 up to every 7 mins
It is..... it says UP TO.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 30, 2016, 09:27:54 AM
Just like the 9 up to every 7 mins
Well you've cocked up there as Tony said 'it is' there is a difference between it is and upto!
Still spin whatever way you look at it, just like the broadband companies quoting speeds upto and look at the press they had recently ;)
Any new Platinums arrived this week at BC?
and after the Platinums what next?
Quote from: RW on December 02, 2016, 09:09:58 PM
and after the Platinums what next?
I'm thinking more crimson buses to offload the Y reg Tridents, hopefully some Gemini 3s !
Quote from: RW on December 02, 2016, 09:09:58 PM
and after the Platinums what next?
There's the 10 x Wrights HEV96 gyro drive Hybrids next year to be followed by 19 x Electric buses & 22 x Fuel Cell in 2018.
Plus no doubt more Euro 6 ADL E400MMC's
I visited the show at the NEC and was unable to find the GKN gyro drive. There was a short article in Coach and Bus weekly recently saying that work on the gyro drive had stopped. If this is so what will NXWM get instead?
I was in 1 BC's crimson Tridents earlier I felt as though they could have done a better job internally on the bus.
On the repainted Omnilinks the handlebars are crimson which fits in with the "new look" and I wished they did the same with the Tridents & Geminis plus (I suppose this is pushing it) I kinda wished the blue plastic rear seat covers were painted in grey. In my view it gives the bus a more newer look and it brings it line with the newer buses coming in.
Anyone else think they should have used more Gold ? It would look good if the yellow stop button covers were gold plus on the Omnilinks, those 3 horizontal lines on the front would look great in gold.
Putting cost aside as that is probably the biggest factor to consider in all of this and I acknowledge that. I thought it was mentioning this and a healthy discussion could be had.
Seeing as anything above 4425 will receive Crimson treatment, I am wondering whether if the 10/10A and the 59 branded Tridents will have Crimson repaints in due course? I ask because they got branded recently.
Quote from: P419 EJW on December 08, 2016, 11:39:23 PM
Seeing as anything above 4425 will receive Crimson treatment, I am wondering whether if the 10/10A and the 59 branded Tridents will have Crimson repaints in due course? I ask because they got branded recently.
You answered your own question. Anything above 4425 will be painted, yes they will be painted in due course.
It's going to be a good couple of years at least before the fleet is complete.
Quote from: Gareth on December 08, 2016, 11:47:35 PM
You answered your own question. Anything above 4425 will be painted, yes they will be painted in due course.
It's going to be a good couple of years at least before the fleet is complete.
I'm asking because it doesn't say that -all- buses above 4425, just anything above 4425. They got branded recently so I'm wondering that would they stay red/white with the branding until their demise. The 54 plate Tridents might have 3-4 years left considering NX's average age to withdraw is roughly 16 years.
Quote from: P419 EJW on December 08, 2016, 11:55:18 PM
I'm asking because it doesn't say that -all- buses above 4425, just anything above 4425. They got branded recently so I'm wondering that would they stay red/white with the branding until their demise. The 54 plate Tridents might have 3-4 years left considering NX's average age to withdraw is roughly 16 years.
It's a good question.
My guess is the branding applied recently to these and also some of the Wolverhampton B7RLEs is a temporary measure pending repaint to the new livery. Over a third of the fleet is already in new livery and based on repaints at 200 a year and new vehicles at over 100 per year on average, they will probably have been done within a couple of years - especially as some of those 45xx Tridents didn't get their seat covers replaced at the last repaint so are probably quite tatty inside. Bear in mind that part of the Quality agreement with TfWM is to introduce platinum buses and to extend route branding - they appear to be prioritising Birmingham corridors for Crimson at the moment (although Walsall's single deckers are being done as well) - so I guess to spread the branding around needs existing liveried vehicles in some areas to be dealt with as well.
The same thing applies to the Outer Circle branded Geminis. Same age as WN's Tridents too.
Quote from: P419 EJW on December 08, 2016, 11:55:18 PM
I'm asking because it doesn't say that -all- buses above 4425, just anything above 4425. They got branded recently so I'm wondering that would they stay red/white with the branding until their demise. The 54 plate Tridents might have 3-4 years left considering NX's average age to withdraw is roughly 16 years.
Ah, good point about 'all above 4425/anything above 4425'
Quote from: MW on December 09, 2016, 01:14:15 AM
The same thing applies to the Outer Circle branded Geminis. Same age as WN's Tridents too.
I think that's slightly different as they were refurbed in the period immediately before existing vehicles started to be repainted/retrimmed in crimson. It will be interesting to see if they get repainted in crimson at some point though.
I'm sure they will all be crimsoned in the future. Especially with the geminis having DPF filters fitted shows that NX intend to keep them for a while!
Some of the ex529 tridents we have on the 10 have already got quite worn seats despite being grey dot. I guess that's just what a life on a busy route does !
Just seen on Facebook that 4919 has now been branded for the 80 at West Bromwich.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on May 11, 2017, 06:20:32 PM
Just seen on Facebook that 4919 has now been branded for the 80 at West Bromwich.
Will be interesting to see. I wonder whether it'll be like the Wolverhampton branding; angular, yet somewhat similar to the branding on crimson - or generic older style branding; rounded-rectangles etc... ???
Quote from: clayderman on May 11, 2017, 08:11:49 PM
Will be interesting to see. I wonder whether it'll be like the Wolverhampton branding; angular, yet somewhat similar to the branding on crimson - or generic older style branding; rounded-rectangles etc... ???
No, not like the Wolverhampton branding. A lot better i think
Not my picture, but here it is
https://scontent.fbhx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/18342598_10207637188886678_3841142869048728850_n.jpg?oh=a408ea827ba5abda4ff14030d7f697c4&oe=59BA8D9B
Quote from: John on May 11, 2017, 08:55:06 PM
Not my picture, but here it is
https://scontent.fbhx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/18342598_10207637188886678_3841142869048728850_n.jpg?oh=a408ea827ba5abda4ff14030d7f697c4&oe=59BA8D9B
Looks good, just don't like how they're rebranding buses that are in still in red/white.
I agree, it looks way better than the branded B7RLES at WN.
Quote from: Jack B on May 11, 2017, 08:58:20 PM
Looks good, just don't like how they're rebranding buses that are in still in red/white.
I agree, it looks way better than the branded B7RLES at WN.
So which buses should have been branded for the 80 then?
Quote from: Tony on May 11, 2017, 09:02:04 PM
So which buses should have been branded for the 80 then?
4919 obviously. 4914-4918 will no doubt be branded. Unless some of the 492* get branded.
Quote from: John on May 11, 2017, 08:55:06 PM
No, not like the Wolverhampton branding. A lot better i think
Not my picture, but here it is
https://scontent.fbhx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/18342598_10207637188886678_3841142869048728850_n.jpg?oh=a408ea827ba5abda4ff14030d7f697c4&oe=59BA8D9B
The purple works really well on the red. No acknowledgment of the 80A though, at least on that side
Does anybody know how many branded routes there are in each garage?
Quote from: MasterPlan on May 11, 2017, 09:29:50 PM
Does anybody know how many branded routes there are in each garage?
AG- 11A/C, 37, 71/2
BC- X1, X2, X61, Harborne Corridor, 97, Pershore Rd
BY- 17
CV-8/A, 9/A, 11/12X, 13, 20/A/E, 21, 23/A
PB- X3/4/5, 7, 16, 28, 33, 101
PN- 9, X10, X96,222
WA- 10/A, 51, 301/2, X51/997, 934/5/6/7
WB- 74, 80, 82/7
WN- 1, 2, 3/4, 5, 6, 10, 54/154, 59, 126, 529
YW- 35, 50
Quote from: John on May 11, 2017, 08:55:06 PM
No, not like the Wolverhampton branding. A lot better i think
Not my picture, but here it is
https://scontent.fbhx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/18342598_10207637188886678_3841142869048728850_n.jpg?oh=a408ea827ba5abda4ff14030d7f697c4&oe=59BA8D9B
Looks good. Personally I thought they were for the 5 when they arrived from Perry Barr but obviously not....
Quote from: Nathan on May 11, 2017, 09:48:14 PM
AG- 11A/C, 37, 71/2
BC- X1, X2,Harborne Corridor, 97, Pershore Rd
BY- 17
CV-8/A, 9/A, 11/12X, 13, 20/A/E, 21, 23/A
PB- X3/4/5, 7, 16, 28, 33, 101
PN- 9, X10, X96,222
WA- 10/A, 51, 301/2, X51/997, 934/5/6/7
WB- 74, 80, 82/7
WN- 1, 2, 3/4, 5, 6, 10, 59, 126, 529
YW- 35, 50
Also the X61 at BC.
Truth be told, I feel a tad conflicted about whether I like it or not; it doesn't look terrible, I'll give you that - the roundel emblazoned with '80' is very reminiscent of Travel West Midlands' roundel branding frenzy, imo. Not too keen on that, if I'm honest, though. The colour scheme gets a thumbs up from me; definitely different, but works well nonetheless.
Quote from: Nathan on May 11, 2017, 09:48:14 PM
AG- 11A/C, 37, 71/2
BC- X1, X2, X61, Harborne Corridor, 97, Pershore Rd
BY- 17
CV-8/A, 9/A, 11/12X, 13, 20/A/E, 21, 23/A
PB- X3/4/5, 7, 16, 28, 33, 101
PN- 9, X10, X96,222
WA- 10/A, 51, 301/2, X51/997, 934/5/6/7
WB- 74, 80, 82/7
WN- 1, 2, 3/4, 5, 6, 10, 54/154, 59, 126, 529
YW- 35, 50
Thanks.
A lot in Wolverhampton then in comparison to BC.for example. Though I suppose the 60 will probably end up being branded when it changes to every 8 minutes.
I've never understood why the 63 isn't branded or the 8A/C
Surely with the June 4th changes the 71/72 branding will disappear on that date
Also the Platinum buses on the X12 might be branded X12.
Quote from: Nathan on May 11, 2017, 09:48:14 PM
AG- 11A/C, 37, 71/2
BC- X1, X2, X61, Harborne Corridor, 97, Pershore Rd
BY- 17
CV-8/A, 9/A, 11/12X, 13, 20/A/E, 21, 23/A
PB- X3/4/5, 7, 16, 28, 33, 101
PN- 9, X10, X96,222
WA- 10/A, 51, 301/2, X51/997, 934/5/6/7
WB- 74, 80, 82/7
WN- 1, 2, 3/4, 5, 6, 10, 54/154, 59, 126, 529
YW- 35, 50
Suppose you could add Cov Bendi's 6013-15/17-18 as being 4-branded.
Don't forget 14 at BC aswell and 55 at BY
Quote from: Brummie45 on May 12, 2017, 02:11:19 PM
Don't forget 14 at BC aswell and 55 at BY
@Brummie45 The 14 doesn't have any branded Tridents left, the 55 hasn't had branding since 2014.
Of course they don't. I'd forgotten
Puzzles me why new style branding is going on old livery.
Hi guys,
Just wandering if anyone knows when the AG platinum will be getting he X12 branding ??
Quote from: Jack D on May 14, 2017, 10:20:43 AM
Hi guys,
Just wandering if anyone knows when the AG platinum will be getting he X12 branding ??
Once the route starts operating probably.
They're not going to get branding 3 weeks before the route starts operating.
So have NXWM decided to give **17*** a miss and if so why? Reducing passenger numbers/financial reasons?
Quote from: RW on June 26, 2017, 03:43:17 PM
So have NXWM decided to give **17*** a miss and if so why? Reducing passenger numbers/financial reasons?
End of the 5 year ADL deal maybe?
Or... a repeat of last year with a late summer 17 and 67 plate buses...
Makes me laugh when I see the panic that we haven't had any new buses for 6 months. I remember the dark days of the early 1990s, when after the arrival of 801-5, we didn't get anything for another 4years!
Quote from: Gareth on June 26, 2017, 06:55:45 PM
Makes me laugh when I see the panic that we haven't had any new buses for 6 months. I remember the dark days of the early 1990s, when after the arrival of 801-5, we didn't get anything for another 4years!
Were those the Irish reg Darts?
They had such plans for those on the Walsall to Bentley route!
Ended their days at Walsall as minibus replacements, remembered seeing one on the old 347 subsidised service when Wmt operated the route!
Is X70 getting branding heard that it is somewhere.
How come the BC Hybrids don't have 22/23 on them? All other branded buses have the route numbers on them as far as I'm aware.
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 29, 2017, 07:34:43 AM
How come the BC Hybrids don't have 22/23 on them? All other branded buses have the route numbers on them as far as I'm aware.
Some of them are harborne branded so technically branded for routes such as 22,23,24,29
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 29, 2017, 07:34:43 AM
How come the BC Hybrids don't have 22/23 on them? All other branded buses have the route numbers on them as far as I'm aware.
They are 'corridor' branded, as opposed to route branded, same as for the Pershore Road and Soho Road.
Shouldn't all the Hybrids be branded in that respect as they are all meant for the Harborne corridor ?
Quote from: Stu on June 29, 2017, 06:44:07 PM
They are 'corridor' branded, as opposed to route branded, same as for the Pershore Road and Soho Road.
The Pershore branded buses have 45/47 on them though, as the Soho buses have 74 and 79 on them
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on June 29, 2017, 11:54:03 PM
Shouldn't all the Hybrids be branded in that respect as they are all meant for the Harborne corridor ?
You'd have thought so.
Would be nice to see some route branding on the 94 again.
New orders for 2017 might be announced in the near future according to this weeks company email briefing
At last!
Most likely 100 e400 MMC 6149-6248 and the hybrids
Quote from: Chris on July 03, 2017, 07:20:54 PM
Most likely 100 e400 MMC 6149-6248 and the hybrids
"Most Likely", how do you know there will be 100 Standard E400 MMC?
If thats just a guess, why try to guess the exact number of new buses and what types NX will be getting?
Quote from: 2206 on July 03, 2017, 07:29:37 PM
"Most Likely", how do you know there will be 100 Standard E400 MMC?
If thats just a guess, why try to guess the exact number of new buses and what types NX will be getting?
It's a guess... the adl deal is still going I'm basing it on the number delivered last year which 100...
Quote from: karl724223 on June 30, 2017, 03:10:22 PM
New orders for 2017 might be announced in the near future according to this weeks company email briefing
Anything happening?
NXWM annoy me when they order the leather seat Envrio400MMC's it means that the routes they upgraded in 2015 they upgrade again. Can't they order Wright Products, Volvo, Normal Spec MMC's and Hybrids even Optare or Scania it gets annoying renumbering and upgrading
Quote from: BusFan94 on July 16, 2017, 04:50:55 PM
NXWM annoy me when they order the leather seat Envrio400MMC's it means that the routes they upgraded in 2015 they upgrade again. Can't they order Wright Products, Volvo, Normal Spec MMC's and Hybrids even Optare or Scania it gets annoying renumbering and upgrading
I don't understand what you are saying?
Quote from: BusFan94 on July 16, 2017, 04:50:55 PM
NXWM annoy me when they order the leather seat Envrio400MMC's it means that the routes they upgraded in 2015 they upgrade again. Can't they order Wright Products, Volvo, Normal Spec MMC's and Hybrids even Optare or Scania it gets annoying renumbering and upgrading
There was never any `complete` leather seat E400 MMCs. I presume you mean 4763-4776, the former leather seated E400`s that were new to both PB and WA.
Unless you mean 6701-6718? Which got displaced at BC by the better Voith Platniums, 6825-6854.
Yes I mean the 67 batch
Quote from: BusFan94 on July 16, 2017, 06:00:01 PM
Yes I mean the 67 batch
The reason the 2015 67XX platinums were replaced with the 2016 68XX Platinums.
Was something to do with them not being able to have the 2015 and 2016 platinums at the same garage. Also because BC needed more for the X61 it keeps the batches together.
Quote from: Jack B on July 16, 2017, 05:41:14 PM
There was never any `complete` leather seat E400 MMCs. I presume you mean 4763-4776, the former leather seated E400`s that were new to both PB and WA.
Unless you mean 6701-6718? Which got displaced at BC by the better Voith Platniums, 6825-6854.
Never heard anyone say voith is better than ZF before.
Voith is the cheapest option, ZF is much more expensive.
Quote from: lauren1993 on July 17, 2017, 03:00:37 AM
Never heard anyone say voith is better than ZF before.
Voith is the cheapest option, ZF is much more expensive.
I prefer ZF.
Speaking of Voith, I've been reading into this gearbox. It's called the DIWA.6 and is apparently a 6 speed Voith? I've never known a Voith box to have more than four gears. Is this true or is this bollocks? Apparently the 200 & latest 400 MMC have this gearbox. The 200s don't have 6 gears from what I remember (I couldn't get them past 4th gear at 55mph...) so what's true and what isn't true?
Quote from: MW on July 17, 2017, 04:01:52 AM
I prefer ZF.
Speaking of Voith, I've been reading into this gearbox. It's called the DIWA.6 and is apparently a 6 speed Voith? I've never known a Voith box to have more than four gears. Is this true or is this bollocks? Apparently the 200 & latest 400 MMC have this gearbox. The 200s don't have 6 gears from what I remember (I couldn't get them past 4th gear at 55mph...) so what's true and what isn't true?
In response to myself, it's definitely a 4 speed. I think the 6 speed thing came from some morons YouTube comment. For all the OMSI fans on here, the ratios for the gears are:
1st 5.20
2nd 1.43
3rd 1.00
4th 0.70
Reverse 4.12
So yeah, DIWA.6 has four gears. Presumably the 6 stands for 6th generation or something similar.
Quote from: lauren1993 on July 17, 2017, 03:00:37 AM
Never heard anyone say voith is better than ZF before.
Voith is the cheapest option, ZF is much more expensive.
ZF is terrible on the E400 MMC's. Slow and dangerous, when pulling onto busy roundabouts you have try and do a high rev which can be hard with. They are terribly boring, not surprising with Ecoshite sorry Ecolife. The Voith Platniums are actually really nice. They zip down roads and don't struggle on the roundabouts.
I read the other day that the MD of NX bus has left and gone to Stagecoach East Scotland recently.
I wonder if there will be any gradual change of Policy with a new person in charge? I was quite surprised no more 45xx Tridents or any Geminis beyond the remaining PB and two or three AG ones will be done - the AG Geminis in red and white make sense owing to use on the 11 and avoiding the non compliant ones being sent into the City low emission zone by accident - however the WN and WA Tridents are a little more difficult to fathom particularly as some are threadbare to say the least inside - and what about Dundee's Geminis?
Just curious if there has been some change in approach - also when the next round of new investment will start - presumably next financial year (after October now) - I read something about other operators booking delivery slots for certain types and there being a 12 to 18 month backlog in front of them?
Quote from: Jack B on July 17, 2017, 07:13:43 AM
.......not surprising with Ecoshite
Off topic for 2 seconds - someone told me the other day high performance BMW cars of the M category are fitted with a driver-selected function which makes the engine sound louder with a synthesised sound increase in the car - called Egoboost....
Article here about the new livery, people who designed it, and an impression of what a blue/cream version would look like
https://thebeautyoftransport.com/2017/08/16/crimson-tide-national-express-west-midlands-visual-identity-2015/
Quote from: Tony on August 17, 2017, 10:54:47 AM
Article here about the new livery, people who designed it, and an impression of what a blue/cream version would look like
https://thebeautyoftransport.com/2017/08/16/crimson-tide-national-express-west-midlands-visual-identity-2015/
Don't know if it's just me but I personally very much like that blue/cream version. Could we ever see a bus painted like that as a heritage throwback like 4453 ??
I'm a big Cream and Blue fan but I'm not keen on this version
Just to add to Chris's comment in the repaint thread - have repaints of the new Coventry blue livery been suspended? Only 4836 has been done - with others in the 4830-42 range being repainted into the old scheme. Seems a strange situation just to go back to the old livery - has/will something else been/be devised?
Maybe Coventry would suit blue and cream, the same livery 4697 is currently in, only replacing the red with blue?
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 17, 2017, 02:53:05 PM
Just to add to Chris's comment in the repaint thread - have repaints of the new Coventry blue livery been suspended? Only 4836 has been done - with others in the 4830-42 range being repainted into the old scheme. Seems a strange situation just to go back to the old livery - has/will something else been/be devised?
The reason that no more 2 tone blue is happening is because people in Coventry think every bus in the new livery means it has Wifi. Not being offensive but these people are somewhat thick.
@paulb1973
Quote from: Tony on August 17, 2017, 10:54:47 AM
Article here about the new livery, people who designed it, and an impression of what a blue/cream version would look like
https://thebeautyoftransport.com/2017/08/16/crimson-tide-national-express-west-midlands-visual-identity-2015/
I completely agree with what Rideout thought and did - though he had only to read this forum to see many of us saying something similar. Tell you what - name one of the 2017 delivery after him!
Interesting article, although this paragraph "The interiors of the buses are just as important to passengers as the exteriors, if not more so. If you can tempt a non-user on board for the first time, there's no point in them being put off travelling by bus ever again because the interior is so far removed from their expectations of quality." makes the appalling state of the seats in some Volvo ALX - in which money has been invested on the exhaust and in some cases a repaint- even more surprising.
I attempted to transfer to 4453 in Stoke Aldermoor from a 26 that went the wrong way. I spoke to a chap at the stop and asked him if the corporation bus had gone. "You mean the red one, yes mate!" Strange how Birmingham buses are red and Coventry are blue. Coventry adopted sky blue for signs using Council tax payers money after Conservatives won power !
re: two tone blue (going to keep this
opinion short and simple, mostly)
- it's the passengers' own fault for expecting amenities, on the basis of a different livery
- this was a mistake on NX's half; perhaps the new livery shouldn't have been introduced with WiFi; which is now what the two tone livery is associated with!
What I find doesn't help is 4836 being the only (mk2 E400) in the new livery. Surely that'll cause more confusion! I'd think it'd be wise to repaint the entire fleet into the new livery to allow customers to familiarise themselves with it, rather than having them associate the "all blue bus' with free wifi
It's nothing to do with the WiFi
I blame Jimmy Hill......
Quote from: Tony on August 18, 2017, 07:56:45 AM
It's nothing to do with the WiFi
Pray tell, Mr Tony, what is it to do with then? Because the WiFi argument has been the only reason touted thus far with no word until now that it was wrong.
Quote from: Kevin on August 21, 2017, 05:40:22 PM
Pray tell, Mr Tony, what is it to do with then? Because the WiFi argument has been the only reason touted thus far with no word until now that it was wrong.
All will be revealed in a few weeks
Quote from: Tony on August 21, 2017, 06:55:12 PM
All will be revealed in a few weeks
That sounds interesting. I've no idea what is happening - but has a livery modification/change been made?! Perhaps and this is pure speculation, the two-tone blue didn't have the required impact [or something like that].
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 21, 2017, 09:10:11 PM
That sounds interesting. I've no idea what is happening - but has a livery modification/change been made?! Perhaps and this is pure speculation, the two-tone blue didn't have the required impact [or something like that].
Maybe stagecoach are purchasing the Coventry operations ;)
Quote from: Lukeee on August 21, 2017, 09:51:50 PM
Maybe stagecoach are purchasing the Coventry operations ;)
If NX hadn't been installing the new ticketing equipment at Coventry first, I may have said there could be some mileage in NXC being disposed of, after all, it sounds like Hotel Hoppa is potentially being sold off by NX.
Hopefully, there has been a re-think with the shades of blue used, as they don't work with the gold strip / outlines and the NXC fleet names look lost in pale blue.
There may be mileage in that yet even with the new ticket machines, Dundee don't carry NX fleetnames any more, maybe there's a bigger shake up on the way than any of us can imagine, we'll just have to wait and see. If NX do keep Coventry, here's a suggestion for your livery, it was completely ignored by the powers that be when Dundee got the hideous greens. https://www.flickr.com/photos/66812080@N03/16873870806/in/album-72157627606532614/
Quote from: DavieDD2 on August 21, 2017, 10:10:19 PM
There may be milage in that yet even with the new ticket machines, Dundee don't carry NX fleetnames any more, maybe there's a bigger shake up on the way than any of can imagine, we'll just have to wait and see. If NX do keep Coventry, here's a suggestion for your livery, it was completely ignored by the powers that be when Dundee got the hideous greens. https://www.flickr.com/photos/66812080@N03/16873870806/in/album-72157627606532614/
But Dundee has nearly half of it's fleet repainted in the new NX style two tone green c/w new NX style moquette. Where NXC only has 15 in new two tone blue from an allocation of 153, latest refurbs being repainted in old style blue/white
Quote from: DavieDD2 on August 21, 2017, 10:10:19 PM
There may be mileage in that yet even with the new ticket machines, Dundee don't carry NX fleetnames any more, maybe there's a bigger shake up on the way than any of us can imagine, we'll just have to wait and see. If NX do keep Coventry, here's a suggestion for your livery, it was completely ignored by the powers that be when Dundee got the hideous greens. https://www.flickr.com/photos/66812080@N03/16873870806/in/album-72157627606532614/
Could you get rid the rubbish on the upper deck windscreen too!
Quote from: Tony on August 21, 2017, 06:55:12 PM
All will be revealed in a few weeks
I'd hazard a guess that, with around 60 vehicles due for withdrawal at Coventry in the next couple or 3 yrs, that some new vehicles may arrive - if they're going to tweak or change the Coventry livery, that's when it will happen.
I always thought the darker blue should be a little darker on the Coventry vehicles and the lining, fleet name and other external lettering gold. The Crimson version of the NX liveries looks excellent in my opinion, as I think does the Xplore Dundee version (sorry davieDD2 - I prefer it to your blue version - looks more classy to me!).
The current Coventry blue livery is reminiscent of mid 60s municipal fleet livery makeovers to make them more up to date, although I think they were all in straight lines as opposed to curves - in the 60s, modernity meant everything from buses to trains to cars to buildings was like this - I think it was Oldham which was featured in a Buses magazine before and after feature at the time - it used two tone blue albeit on a tin front Leyland Titan.... all that said, the Coventry livery is very striking when you first see it - maybe it doesn't wear too well in current form. They seem to be wedded to sky blue so presumably this will feature in some form or another if the livery changes.
The blue seems to be wearing reasonably well on 4763-76 (4836 has also been done, but that was fairly recently) and they were mostly painted in 2015. So, don't think its paint quality issue etc. From a distance the two tone blue is fairly indistinguishable, but close up and when fresh, it looks quite striking - of-course we've only had a double deck version. I suspect it hasn't impressed as the red crimson has elsewhere, maybe its a bit low key and something a little more daring is required.
This is purely a curious thought that crossed my mind; I already have an idea as to what the answer would be, but here goes:
Would be ever see a normal spec Voith E400MMC, with alloy wheels (& start/stop technology), I wonder? ???
Of course, only operating at garages already operating Voiths (BC/PB/WN)
Quote from: CL on August 29, 2017, 12:27:18 AM
This is purely a curious thought that crossed my mind; I already have an idea as to what the answer would be, but here goes:
Would be ever see a normal spec Voith E400MMC, with alloy wheels (& start/stop technology), I wonder? ???
Of course, only operating at garages already operating Voiths (BC/PB/WN)
I've wanted that to happen! Upgrade the 65/67 with them or the 51. Would love Crimson generic Voith E400 MMC's. The Voith in the E400 MMCs is way better than the ZF variants.
Quote from: Jack on August 29, 2017, 12:31:47 AM
I've wanted that to happen! Upgrade the 65/67 with them or the 51. Would love Crimson generic Voith E400 MMC's. The Voith in the E400 MMCs is way better than the ZF variants.
Unfortunately, if it were to happen, the likelihood of the 51 being upgraded to Voith MMCs would be very slim. It wouldn't "stick" with NXs rule of having their garages operating only one type of MMC, (either ZF or Voith). I, myself, wouldn't mind seeing them at Birmingham Central. Would be
nice if the 63 had the same vehicle type as the X61, albeit with WiFi or USBs; not that they've become a necessity. I wonder if any Coventry routes could be contenders for new vehicles? ???
Thank God this is all hogwash. Though, speaking of Coventry... Haha
Quote from: CL on August 29, 2017, 12:31:32 PM
Unfortunately, if it were to happen, the likelihood of the 51 being upgraded to Voith MMCs would be very slim. It wouldn't "stick" with NXs rule of having their garages operating only one type of MMC, (either ZF or Voith). I, myself, wouldn't mind seeing them at Birmingham Central. Would be nice if the 63 had the same vehicle type as the X61, albeit with WiFi or USBs; not that they've become a necessity. I wonder if any Coventry routes could be contenders for new vehicles? ???
Thank God this is all hogwash. Though, speaking of Coventry... Haha
If they were to be put on the 63 then I would keep them just generic like the 9 and 50. The 65/67 desperately want an upgrade though. There allocation consists of the majority of ALX400's albeit unrefurbed.
It would be unlikely to be the same spec as the 9/50 as USB charging points, wifi and high back seating now come standard with any Euro 6 ADL product since last year.
Quote from: karl724223 on June 30, 2017, 03:10:22 PM
New orders for 2017 might be announced in the near future according to this weeks company email briefing
We're still waiting...
Quote from: Stevo on August 29, 2017, 06:52:55 PM
We're still waiting...
From what I understand, the order has been placed.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 29, 2017, 07:03:21 PM
From what I understand, the order has been placed.
was announced in company email couple of weeks ago due end of year
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 29, 2017, 06:50:46 PM
It would be unlikely to be the same spec as the 9/50 as USB charging points, wifi and high back seating now come standard with any ADL bus since last year.
Is this correct? None of the London ones come with any of the above to my knowledge. I thought that new buses came with whatever the operator specified. Outside of London the likes of Arriva, Stagecoach and First do seem to be specifying these things on most new buses, but I didn't think any of them came as 'standard'?
Quote from: Mike K on August 29, 2017, 07:40:31 PM
Is this correct? None of the London ones come with any of the above to my knowledge. I thought that new buses came with whatever the operator specified. Outside of London the likes of Arriva, Stagecoach and First do seem to be specifying these things on most new buses, but I didn't think any of them came as 'standard'?
Nx version of platinum is basic compared to some of the e400 mmc I've seen.
Quote from: Mike K on August 29, 2017, 07:40:31 PM
Is this correct? None of the London ones come with any of the above to my knowledge. I thought that new buses came with whatever the operator specified. Outside of London the likes of Arriva, Stagecoach and First do seem to be specifying these things on most new buses, but I didn't think any of them came as 'standard'?
I would say this definitely isn't true. ADL are/were still producing old shape E200s, most/all of which are dealer stock etc which are to about the lowest spec you can get. The only London buses with chargers are the BYD Enviro 200s on the Red Arrow 507/521 and the newly refurbished Volvo B9TLs for the X26. I'm pretty sure if NX ordered some Crimson E400MMC without chargers or higher backed seats that's exactly what they would get as that is what they would have specified
Quote from: Mike K on August 29, 2017, 07:40:31 PM
Is this correct? None of the London ones come with any of the above to my knowledge. I thought that new buses came with whatever the operator specified. Outside of London the likes of Arriva, Stagecoach and First do seem to be specifying these things on most new buses, but I didn't think any of them came as 'standard'?
As far as I am aware, Blackpool Transport have removed the USB charging points from there Palladium buses due to abuse and vandalism.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 30, 2017, 08:04:37 PM
As far as I am aware, Blackpool Transport have removed the USB charging points from there Palladium buses due to abuse and vandalism.
Yes they have. I think one of the problems was drinks being tipped down the chargers on the tables
Quote from: karl724223 on August 29, 2017, 07:15:49 PM
was announced in company email couple of weeks ago due end of year
Blimey - any detail given or just 'new buses on order for late 2017'? Or is the entire workforce sworn to secrecy?
Quote from: don on August 30, 2017, 09:43:05 PM
Blimey - any detail given or just 'new buses on order for late 2017'? Or is the entire workforce sworn to secrecy?
probably more like the "tease the enthusiast" game again.
Quote from the WMCA press release this morning...
“National Express West Midlands is spending £10 million on 38 new smart hybrid double deckers for its Platinum service, which boast leather seats, free wi-fi and USB charging points.”
Quote from: Dom on October 09, 2017, 08:44:08 AM
Quote from the WMCA press release this morning...
"National Express West Midlands is spending £10 million on 38 new smart hybrid double deckers for its Platinum service, which boast leather seats, free wi-fi and USB charging points."
You missed the next line out which is sure to wind a couple of people up!
They will run between Harborne in Birmingham and Birmingham city centre from January 2018
With the new buses due at bc where will the green ones move to another depot or another service at bc
Quote from: Tony on October 09, 2017, 09:01:25 AM
You missed the next line out which is sure to wind a couple of people up!
They will run between Harborne in Birmingham and Birmingham city centre from January 2018
Hopefully that includes the 29 too, single deckers are so impractical at peaks.
Quote from: V89MOA on October 09, 2017, 09:19:29 AM
Hopefully that includes the 29 too, single deckers are so impractical at peaks.
Yes, complete corridor 22, 23, 24 & 29
Quote from: Tony on October 09, 2017, 09:22:04 AM
Yes, complete corridor 22, 23, 24 & 29
Best news I've read all year, I'm looking forward to them arriving!
Are they the buses due by Christmas to go in service in January or on top of the buses ordered for Christmas?
Hope they are Streetdecks
Hmmm
Volvo B5LH / Enviro 400 MMC I wonder ?
Platinum Hybrids eh
Quote from: Solo1 on October 09, 2017, 09:02:17 AM
With the new buses due at bc where will the green ones move to another depot or another service at bc
Probably will be used on the 60 or 97
@Tony is this the bus order for this year or are more buses due?
Quote from: Tony on October 09, 2017, 09:22:04 AM
Yes, complete corridor 22, 23, 24 & 29
From a completely selfish perspective: magnificent.
(About time Harborne had some new buses ;))
I guess it remains to be seen how many will be branded, but this could potentially be the largest batch of buses with common branding since the orange 'Network Harborne' branding on BC and YW single deckers in the late 1990s.
Quote from: Sayeed on October 09, 2017, 11:58:56 AM
Probably will be used on the 60 or 97
The whole of the harbourne routes 22,23,24 and 29 will be hybrids
Quote from: Chris on October 09, 2017, 02:50:24 PM
The whole of the harbourne routes 22,23,24 and 29 will be hybrids
He was speculating as to where the existing B5LH hybrids might be used.
Quote from: Sayeed on October 09, 2017, 11:58:56 AM
Probably will be used on the 60 or 97
I think the 60 would look nice with them. 97 is fine with its Crimsons.
I think they should be used for the 14.
Quote from: MW on October 09, 2017, 10:55:59 AM
Hmmm
Volvo B5LH / Enviro 400 MMC I wonder ?
Platinum Hybrids eh
All the Platinums thus far have been E400 MMC's - so I suppose it is logical to order more of that type (albeit Hybrids). But there's nothing to say it can't be other types.
Quote from: paulb1973 on October 09, 2017, 03:36:34 PM
All the Platinums thus far have been E400 MMC's - so I suppose it is logical to order more of that type (albeit Hybrids). But there's nothing to say it can't be other types.
It'll be interesting to see. Outside of London the ADL E400 MMC hybrid doesn't seem to have found much favour, with most operators choosing the B5LH. Even Stagecoach have opted for the B5LH, albeit on an E400 MMC body for some of their Scottish operations.
Maybe they might be e400 mmc city? They are starting to appearing outside london
Quote from: Mike K on October 09, 2017, 03:50:04 PM
It'll be interesting to see. Outside of London the ADL E400 MMC hybrid doesn't seem to have found much favour, with most operators choosing the B5LH. Even Stagecoach have opted for the B5LH, albeit on an E400 MMC body for some of their Scottish operations.
Yeah, I hadn't really thought of that - NXWM have the older-style E400 hybrid and the newer E400 MMC, but not the combination of the two (so to speak). I actually prefer Wrights designs from an aesthetic point of view, but NX have wedded themselves to ADL in the main for double decks.
To be honest the harborne corridor is perfect for hybrids, it's hardly the fastest of routes. Can't see the 97 as someone suggested being suitable. Maybe the 60 though for the old ones to go onto
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 09, 2017, 05:50:38 PM
To be honest the harborne corridor is perfect for hybrids, it's hardly the fastest of routes. Can't see the 97 as someone suggested being suitable. Maybe the 60 though for the old ones to go onto
I said the 97, it has Crimson Tridents and look extremely smart. I think the 14 or 60 should get the older Hybrids, particularly the 14 as its Stop/start down Alum Rock Road.
14 won't get them. Won't go on the 60 as there will be too many left over and not enough to convert another route. My bet is the 63
Quote from: John on October 09, 2017, 06:07:50 PM
14 won't get them. My bet is the 63
Whats stopping the 14 from getting them?
Quote from: 2206 on October 09, 2017, 06:08:52 PM
Whats stopping the 14 from getting them?
Probably because of the Crimsons. But it gets any Trident at BC unlike the 97
I think the 63 is fine, it's pretty much E400, don't see many Tridents on it now
For anyone who hasn't read this yet, sources here:
https://www.wmca.org.uk/news/passengers-to-benefit-as-west-midlands-bus-alliance-is-renewed/
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/news/passengers-to-benefit-as-west-midlands-bus-alliance-is-renewed/
QuoteNational Express West Midlands is spending £10 million on 38 new smart hybrid double deckers for its Platinum service, which boast leather seats, free wi-fi and USB charging points.
They will run between Harborne in Birmingham and Birmingham city centre from January 2018.
The interesting conundrum is that BC will then end up with 'two types' of Platinum bus - hybrid and non-hybrid. The current Platinums at BC are actually 'micro-hybrid' (the correct term for the 'stop-start' technology), so could the WMCA press release just be 'mis-worded', or will these new Platinums actually be 'true' hybrids?
It will be interesting also to see what happens to the Volvo Gemini hybrids currently at BC, whether they get displaced to another BC route, or to another garage, or perhaps sold on? The oldest ones will be approaching six years old soon, and the batteries reportedly only have a lifespan of eight years before needing replacement, at considerable cost.
Quote from: Stu on October 09, 2017, 07:15:53 PM
For anyone who hasn't read this yet, sources here:
https://www.wmca.org.uk/news/passengers-to-benefit-as-west-midlands-bus-alliance-is-renewed/
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/news/passengers-to-benefit-as-west-midlands-bus-alliance-is-renewed/
The interesting conundrum is that BC will then end up with 'two types' of Platinum bus - hybrid and non-hybrid. The current Platinums at BC are actually 'micro-hybrid' (the correct term for the 'stop-start' technology), so could the WMCA press release just be 'mis-worded', or will these new Platinums actually be 'true' hybrids?
It will be interesting also to see what happens to the Volvo Gemini hybrids currently at BC, whether they get displaced to another BC route, or to another garage, or perhaps sold on? The oldest ones will be approaching six years old soon, and the batteries reportedly only have a lifespan of eight years before needing replacement, at considerable cost.
The stop/start isn't Micro-Hybrid. That phrase was first used by Wrights for their Streetlite and referred to things like the E-fans and other things that weren't normally electric powered using spare energy normally wasted.
These vehicles will have a capacitor to store surplus energy as electricity which will be used to help accelerate to reduce energy consumption, but will not have hybrid batteries like early hybrids
Quote from: Tony on October 09, 2017, 09:01:25 AM
You missed the next line out which is sure to wind a couple of people up!
They will run between Harborne in Birmingham and Birmingham city centre from January 2018
That made me laugh, not gonna lie.
The most interesting thing about any new buses, for me at least, is the cascades
Quote from: Tony on October 09, 2017, 07:20:03 PM
The stop/start isn't Micro-Hybrid. That phrase was first used by Wrights for their Streetlite and referred to things like the E-fans and other things that weren't normally electric powered using spare energy normally wasted.
These vehicles will have a capacitor to store surplus energy as electricity which will be used to help accelerate to reduce energy consumption, but will not have hybrid batteries like early hybrids
The strange thing is that ADL's and Volvo's websites say both makes use batteries, not capacitors. So who's going to make these hybrids?
Quote from: Tony on October 09, 2017, 07:20:03 PM
The stop/start isn't Micro-Hybrid. That phrase was first used by Wrights for their Streetlite and referred to things like the E-fans and other things that weren't normally electric powered using spare energy normally wasted.
These vehicles will have a capacitor to store surplus energy as electricity which will be used to help accelerate to reduce energy consumption, but will not have hybrid batteries like early hybrids
Is these purchase of these vehicles being funded wholly by NXWM rather than being subsidised through funding like previous batches of hybrids?
Could transfer the old hybrids to WB and stick em on the 74 as Soho road is pretty much stop start (I am aware there probably isn't enough to fully convert the route) ;)
Quote from: Lukeee on October 09, 2017, 10:17:50 PM
Could transfer the old hybrids to WB and stick em on the 74 as Soho road is pretty much stop start (I am aware there probably isn't enough to fully convert the route) ;)
Depends if you split it ;) (another discussion)...
Quote from: Mike K on October 09, 2017, 10:11:14 PM
Is these purchase of these vehicles being funded wholly by NXWM rather than being subsidised through funding like previous batches of hybrids?
Yes, fully NX funded
Quote from: Lukeee on October 09, 2017, 10:17:50 PM
Could transfer the old hybrids to WB and stick em on the 74 as Soho road is pretty much stop start (I am aware there probably isn't enough to fully convert the route) ;)
I think they would look good on the 127/8.
Quote from: Jack on October 09, 2017, 11:08:49 PM
I think they would look good on the 127/8.
Personally, I'd like to see them go onto the 72, or the 94.
Though in my opinion they'd look good wherever they are moved onto and they still look smart, even the older ones after spending 6 years on the 22/23.
Quote from: 2206 on October 09, 2017, 11:11:17 PM
Or the 72, or the 94.
Well the 127/128 really as they have the ALX400 B7TL's, some of which have never been refurbed. If they went to WB then I'd put them on the 127/128 and put the spares on the 89.
Quote from: Jack on October 09, 2017, 11:13:19 PM
Well the 127/128 really as they have the ALX400 B7TL's, some of which have never been refurbed. If they went to WB then I'd put them on the 127/128 and put the spares on the 89.
Or perhaps to the banks of the silvery Tay?
Will these hybrid platinums have the same grey livery as the others? Or will it be green? And is 38 enough to cover the entire Harborne corridor?
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 10, 2017, 07:38:48 AM
Will these hybrid platinums have the same grey livery as the others? Or will it be green? And is 38 enough to cover the entire Harborne corridor?
I don't know the numbers so this won't be accurate, but in the region of 14-15 vehicles on the 22/23, maybe 9-10 on the 24? The 29 is the longest of the routes but also the least frequent so maybe up to 10 buses. So my guess would be a requirement for around 34-35 vehicles with 3 to 4 spare which I understand at c 10% is the norm.
On the livery, I'm guessing standard Platinum with green swoop and detailing instead of red.
Quote from: Jack on October 09, 2017, 11:13:19 PM
Well the 127/128 really as they have the ALX400 B7TL's, some of which have never been refurbed. If they went to WB then I'd put them on the 127/128 and put the spares on the 89.
I really can't see them on the 127/128s, although I'd welcome them on the 89, can't see them on there either
Quote from: Sh4318 on October 10, 2017, 06:07:43 PM
I really can't see them on the 127/128s, although I'd welcome them on the 89, can't see them on there either
I don't think routes like the 127/128 are important/mainstream enough. I'd expect them to move over to the 63, if they remain at BC.
When I say important enough, I mean main corridors. Having said that, they're not exactly currently on a main corridor are they?
If the 38 new Hybrid Platinums are to be fully funded by NXWM, what has happened to the 10 Wrightbus HEV's promised, which were to be part funded by the Government, by NXWM in the July 26th issue of Coach and Bus weekly, for delivery in 2017.
Quote from: MW on October 10, 2017, 07:21:03 PM
When I say important enough, I mean main corridors. Having said that, they're not exactly currently on a main corridor are they?
Maybe not main roads but a corridor that has 18 buses an hour during the day.
Quote from: Tony on October 09, 2017, 07:20:03 PM
These vehicles will have a capacitor to store surplus energy as electricity which will be used to help accelerate to reduce energy consumption, but will not have hybrid batteries like early hybrids
Doing a spot of reading on this new hybrid technology you describe. An article in Bus & Coach Buyer has this:
"For 2018, ADL is developing a 48V Hybrid system using a motor generator connected to the propshaft via a drive belt and storing energy in supercapacitors. The system is independent on the vehicle's 24V electric system and contains no high voltages. By recovering up to 12kW during braking, it can deliver an additional 180Nm torque on starting, reducing fuel consumption by 4-8% on an Enviro400."
Possibly way wide of the mark, but I wonder if these new vehicles will use the system referred to above (although the timing might be too early for something reportedly not due until next year?)
Quote from: Mike K on October 10, 2017, 11:03:00 PM
Doing a spot of reading on this new hybrid technology you describe. An article in Bus & Coach Buyer has this:
"For 2018, ADL is developing a 48V Hybrid system using a motor generator connected to the propshaft via a drive belt and storing energy in supercapacitors. The system is independent on the vehicle's 24V electric system and contains no high voltages. By recovering up to 12kW during braking, it can deliver an additional 180Nm torque on starting, reducing fuel consumption by 4-8% on an Enviro400."
Possibly way wide of the mark, but I wonder if these new vehicles will use the system referred to above (although the timing might be too early for something reportedly not due until next year?)
Sounds likely those are will be the one's due, 2018 isn't that far away now.
If you cast your mind back, NXWM took deliver of the first E200MMC's off the production line & was also the first to trial stop/start on them on behalf of ADL.
Quote from: Winston on October 10, 2017, 11:06:11 PM
Sounds likely those are will be the one's due, 2018 isn't that far away now.
If you cast your mind back, NXWM took deliver of the first E200MMC's off the production line & was also the first to trial stop/start on them on behalf of ADL.
I've been wondering, how are those E200MMC's with the start/ stop tech doing ?
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 10, 2017, 11:33:03 PM
I've been wondering, how are those E200MMC's with the start/ stop tech doing ?
2203/2204 weren't they? ??? Didn't they convert back to "normal"?
Quote from: Mike K on October 10, 2017, 09:40:17 AM
I don't know the numbers so this won't be accurate, but in the region of 14-15 vehicles on the 22/23, maybe 9-10 on the 24? The 29 is the longest of the routes but also the least frequent so maybe up to 10 buses. So my guess would be a requirement for around 34-35 vehicles with 3 to 4 spare which I understand at c 10% is the norm.
On the livery, I'm guessing standard Platinum with green swoop and detailing instead of red.
I don't know why, but I envisioned a dark green, like Xplore Dundee. Or even the current green but full-bodied like the crimsons. Just with silver instead of cream. Maybe even a 'Turning Harborne Green' ...
I'd have thought the 24 needs more than 10. The 29 won't be as long when it gets curtailed back to Northfield. The 22 and 23 are both 15, mins combining to make a 7/8 mins frequency. As they interwork surely they don't need as many?
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 10, 2017, 11:33:03 PM
I've been wondering, how are those E200MMC's with the start/ stop tech doing ?
I ride on them on the 58 and they never stop/start. It was always a bit 'violent' on these and the body shook when the engine stopped.
Quote from: Mike K on October 10, 2017, 11:03:00 PM
Doing a spot of reading on this new hybrid technology you describe. An article in Bus & Coach Buyer has this:
"For 2018, ADL is developing a 48V Hybrid system using a motor generator connected to the propshaft via a drive belt and storing energy in supercapacitors. The system is independent on the vehicle's 24V electric system and contains no high voltages. By recovering up to 12kW during braking, it can deliver an additional 180Nm torque on starting, reducing fuel consumption by 4-8% on an Enviro400."
Possibly way wide of the mark, but I wonder if these new vehicles will use the system referred to above (although the timing might be too early for something reportedly not due until next year?)
Thanks for this - looks like what's coming. I wonder if they'll have the 4 cylinder engine as in the proper E400H with batteries or have to keep the six. The four, I'd guess.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 11, 2017, 07:08:21 AM
I'd have thought the 24 needs more than 10. The 29 won't be as long when it gets curtailed back to Northfield. The 22 and 23 are both 15, mins combining to make a 7/8 mins frequency. As they interwork surely they don't need as many?
The 24 is a relatively short route by today's standards in Birmingham, with a total round trip time of around 1 hr 20 mins. Round that up to 1 hr 30 to allow for layover time and a bus leaving town at say 12.00 would be back again for the 13.30 departure, which at a 10 min frequency would need 9 buses. Factor in 1 or 2 extras for much longer journey times during the peak and 10 probably isn't far wide of the mark.
The 22/23 are longer routes than the 24 plus combined require 2 extra buses per hour, so again, 14 or 15 is probably not miles off.
Personally I can see them finding an excuse to exclude the 29 anyway.
I wonder if NX will use fleet no 5*** for these hybrids or the 69** as they are Platinums
Quote from: Chris on October 12, 2017, 08:37:35 PM
I wonder if NX will use fleet no 5*** for these hybrids or the 69** as they are Platinums
or maybe used at Pensnett ?
I've always thought that the 50 would be suited to Hybrids. On the other hand I've also thought Enviro 500s would suit the 50, given its loadings. Always rammed at peaks. Have you guys seen the queue for the 50 stop outside the Bullring? Most orderly bus stop queue in Birmingham City Centre!
Quote from: MW on October 12, 2017, 11:41:03 PM
I've always thought that the 50 would be suited to Hybrids. On the other hand I've also thought Enviro 500s would suit the 50, given its loadings. Always rammed at peaks. Have you guys seen the queue for the 50 stop outside the Bullring? Most orderly bus stop queue in Birmingham City Centre!
It must be my bad luck as whenever I see a 50 its usually mostly empty and their running in pairs !
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 12, 2017, 11:45:42 PM
It must be my bad luck as whenever I see a 50 its usually mostly empty and their running in pairs !
Peaks. Have a look at the Birmingham stop at around 4-5pm on a weekday evening.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 10, 2017, 07:38:48 AM
Will these hybrid platinums have the same grey livery as the others? Or will it be green? And is 38 enough to cover the entire Harborne corridor?
As the earlier hybrids are getting standard crimson it's a fair bet these will get standard Platinum, no doubt with vinyls advertising their hybrid green credentials.
Quote from: MW on October 12, 2017, 11:47:55 PM
Peaks. Have a look at the Birmingham stop at around 4-5pm on a weekday evening.
I see them scattered in threes. The first bus at the stop is the full Bus, then the second and third appear. The third tends to leave empty. If one goes missing then they cue for the 35! That's the same story on Stratford Road in Peaks.
Quote from: MW on October 12, 2017, 11:41:03 PM
I've always thought that the 50 would be suited to Hybrids. On the other hand I've also thought Enviro 500s would suit the 50, given its loadings. Always rammed at peaks. Have you guys seen the queue for the 50 stop outside the Bullring? Most orderly bus stop queue in Birmingham City Centre!
I think the Hybrids should be allocated to routes that sit in the cues for half the route. I.E the 5/6/31/37 (Could include the 2 aswell but the 3 would have them as they interwork. 14/74 I think. I think they would look nice on the 14.
Quote from: Jack on October 13, 2017, 07:11:06 PM
I see them scattered in threes. The first bus at the stop is the full Bus, then the second and third appear. The third tends to leave empty. If one goes missing then they cue for the 35! That's the same story on Stratford Road in Peaks.
I think the Hybrids should be allocated to routes that sit in the cues for half the route. I.E the 5/6/31/37 (Could include the 2 aswell but the 3 would have them as they interwork. 14/74 I think. I think they would look nice on the 14.
I think the word you are looking for is queue / queues
Quote from: Mike K on October 14, 2017, 12:50:47 AM
I think the word you are looking for is queue / queues
That was right on cue ;)
Quote from: MW on October 12, 2017, 11:47:55 PM
Peaks. Have a look at the Birmingham stop at around 4-5pm on a weekday evening.
The x51 is bad I hate driving that route during rush hour now, you get hammered
Quote from: BU07 LGO on October 14, 2017, 10:21:45 AM
The x51 is bad I hate driving that route during rush hour now, you get hammered
Needs more time. If they're on time into town they wouldn't be too bad but that's never the case in the peaks
Quote from: Kevin on October 14, 2017, 07:04:31 PM
Needs more time. If they're on time into town they wouldn't be too bad but that's never the case in the peaks
Definitely, I've got to town on time and it can take 4 or 5 mins just to load up then you're usually too full to pickup by the courts
Does anyone know when the ADL exclusive deal is over? About time NX got some Volvos!
Quote from: MW on October 21, 2017, 07:36:08 PM
Does anyone know when the ADL exclusive deal is over? About time NX got some Volvos!
Quote from: Dom on June 07, 2016, 05:10:46 PM
Its been said hundreds of times, it wasn't an exclusive deal, it was just a deal that guaranteed 500 buses over 5 years from ADL.
NX got Streetlites for Dundee in 2015 and Streetdecks for Pensnett last year.
Though the deal was for 5 years so would end after 2018.
I think that once the new hybrids arrive we'll have seen 382 of the 500.
Quote from: 2206 on October 21, 2017, 07:48:51 PM
NX got Streetlites for Dundee in 2015 and Streetdecks for Pensnett last year.
Though the deal was for 5 years so would end after 2018.
We need some more Volvo Wrights dude. B5TLs and B8RLEs please!
Quote from: MW on October 21, 2017, 08:00:19 PM
We need some more Volvo Wrights dude. B5TLs and B8RLEs please!
I don't like the look of the new Wright bodies on the B8RLEs though, it just looks like a weird, squished ALX 300 to me.
Would like to see a batch with o/s glass stair window and glass roof
Quote from: DJ98 on October 21, 2017, 08:32:45 PM
I don't like the look of the new Wright bodies on the B8RLEs though, it just looks like a weird, squished ALX 300 to me.
I reckon overall, the Volvo/Wright combo is far superior to ADL. They drive a lot better & they're more reliable but they're more expensive (from what I know).
All the previous Volvo/Wright in the fleet has been much better than the ADL/Dennis/Transbus equivalent. Plus it'd add more diversity.
I'd like to see more Volvo & Mercedes vehicles in general, but I suspect the price is what attracts everyone to ADL.
I would like to see a batch of Citaro's, not the articulated types. Just the standard ones.
This weeks staff bulletin confirms that this years order is for Enviro 400MMCs in Platinum livery and delivery will commence 'in a few days'
Fleetnumber are going to be 6855-6892
Quote from: Tony on October 27, 2017, 12:55:54 PM
This weeks staff bulletin confirms that this years order is for Enviro 400MMCs in Platinum livery and delivery will commence 'in a few days'
Fleetnumber are going to be 6855-6892
Which garages / services will they be for?
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 27, 2017, 01:17:27 PM
Which garages / services will they be for?
BC / the Harborne corridor as previously confirmed.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 27, 2017, 01:17:27 PM
Which garages / services will they be for?
You know what routes they are for as you have previously commented about it, see you comment on the 11th October when you posted
Personally I can see them finding an excuse to exclude the 29 anyway.
Quote from: Tony on October 27, 2017, 12:55:54 PM
This weeks staff bulletin confirms that this years order is for Enviro 400MMCs in Platinum livery and delivery will commence 'in a few days'
Fleetnumber are going to be 6855-6892
I assume, these being ADL products, they will count towards the 500 ordered. I think 367 have been delivered to-date (details below) - so that takes it to 405. One more big order for 2018/19 and the total will be reached.
2016: 96 buses; No's 6759-6854 E400 MMC (Platinum spec).
2015: 171 buses; x15 E200 (10.2m) No's 861-875, x50 E200 MMC (11.8m) No's 2201-50, x58 E400 MMC (platinum spec) No's 6701-58 and x48 E400 MMC (standard spec) No's 6101-6148.
2014: 100 buses; x56 Enviro 400 (4940-95), x14 Enviro 200 (751-764) and x30 Enviro 200 (831-60).
Quote from: Tony on October 27, 2017, 12:55:54 PM
This weeks staff bulletin confirms that this years order is for Enviro 400MMCs in Platinum livery and delivery will commence 'in a few days'
Fleetnumber are going to be 6855-6892
Are they going to be standard hybrid platinums mmc or the city variant MMC?
Quote from: Chris on October 27, 2017, 03:47:40 PM
Are they going to be standard hybrid platinums mmc or the city variant MMC?
I don't believe the 400 City is referred to as MMC - these will be the standard MMC versions (good job too, the City is one ugly looking bus in my opinion).
Quote from: Mike K on October 27, 2017, 04:50:06 PM
I don't believe the 400 City is referred to as MMC - these will be the standard MMC versions (good job too, the City is one ugly looking bus in my opinion).
Reading Wikipedia (not always reliable I know!) it seems the City version is referred to as Enviro400H City and "is only sold as an integral hybrid" - so it could that version, but it is possible it's the Hybrid E400 MMC version. If its the latter, hopefully it won't have that long rear overhang and closely-spaced axles, which looks a bit comical. I can't decide if I like the curves on the body styling on the City, still looks a bit odd somehow.
Quote from: paulb1973 on October 27, 2017, 05:59:23 PM
Reading Wikipedia (not always reliable I know!) it seems the City version is referred to as Enviro400H City and "is only sold as an integral hybrid" - so it could that version, but it is possible it's the Hybrid E400 MMC version. If its the latter, hopefully it won't have that long rear overhang and closely-spaced axles, which looks a bit comical. I can't decide if I like the curves on the body styling on the City, still looks a bit odd somehow.
Well the Blackpool ones are not Hybrids, so that statement isn't correct
The Harborne routes again! That's come around quickly for them getting an upgrade.
Where will their cast offs go any ideas 97 maybe?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 27, 2017, 06:25:23 PM
The Harborne routes again! That's come around quickly for them getting an upgrade.
Where will their cast offs go any ideas 97 maybe?
There aren't enough Hybrids for the 97.
Quote from: paulb1973 on October 27, 2017, 05:59:23 PM
Reading Wikipedia (not always reliable I know!) it seems the City version is referred to as Enviro400H City and "is only sold as an integral hybrid" - so it could that version, but it is possible it's the Hybrid E400 MMC version. If its the latter, hopefully it won't have that long rear overhang and closely-spaced axles, which looks a bit comical. I can't decide if I like the curves on the body styling on the City, still looks a bit odd somehow.
The short wheel base and long rear overhang are characteristics of the B5LH chassis rather than ADL integral products - although the B5LH is available in longer versions these days. Take a look at the Lothian ones, including the 67 plate blue skylink ones. They look far more in proportion than the NX and London versions.
Perhaps this will help
Quote from: 2206 on October 27, 2017, 06:46:52 PM
There aren't enough Hybrids for the 97.
72 & x70 maybe
So are these hybrids going to act like the Volvos and use the power to start off moving or a bit like the wolvo ones?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 27, 2017, 06:25:23 PM
The Harborne routes again! That's come around quickly for them getting an upgrade
You can't be serious...
Quote from: Tony on October 27, 2017, 01:38:52 PM
You know what routes they are for as you have previously commented about it, see you comment on the 11th October when you posted
Personally I can see them finding an excuse to exclude the 29 anyway.
I stand by what I said. It doesn't specify routes on that link, it just says between Harborne and Birmingham City Centre.
Quote from: Chris on October 27, 2017, 08:14:26 PM
So are these hybrids going to act like the Volvos and use the power to start off moving or a bit like the wolvo ones?
Taken from a Route One article (and assuming this is the technology that it is):
It is "a low-cost, low-power hybrid system offering further fuel economy improvements to ADL's base diesel products."
SmartBoost uses a motor generator unit (MGU) coupled to the rear axle and an energy storage system (ESS).
A small supercapacitor in the ESS takes on charge rapidly when the bus is slowing, and the energy is then returned to the driveline by the MGU under acceleration in a manner similar to a hybrid or full-electric bus.
Tests indicate fuel consumption savings of up to 10% with SmartBoost, says Keith, and while this figure will vary depending on application – with the greatest benefits achieved on urban work – payback is achieved "very quickly." Combining it with ADL's smart charging accessories gives a system called Smart Hybrid.
Quote from: paulb1973 on October 27, 2017, 03:04:53 PM
I assume, these being ADL products, they will count towards the 500 ordered. I think 367 have been delivered to-date (details below) - so that takes it to 405. One more big order for 2018/19 and the total will be reached.
2016: 96 buses; No's 6759-6854 E400 MMC (Platinum spec).
2015: 171 buses; x15 E200 (10.2m) No's 861-875, x50 E200 MMC (11.8m) No's 2201-50, x58 E400 MMC (platinum spec) No's 6701-58 and x48 E400 MMC (standard spec) No's 6101-6148.
2014: 100 buses; x56 Enviro 400 (4940-95), x14 Enviro 200 (751-764) and x30 Enviro 200 (831-60).
Wasn't the 13 and 63 plates included in the deal??
Quote from: Chris on October 28, 2017, 03:46:58 PM
Wasn't the 13 and 63 plates included in the deal??
No.
The first 100 included in the deal were those new in 2014.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-26647266
Quote from: Chris on October 28, 2017, 03:46:58 PM
Wasn't the 13 and 63 plates included in the deal??
I think 63 plates were part of the deal.
Quote from: Sayeed on October 28, 2017, 04:09:41 PM
I think 63 plates were part of the deal.
No.
500 buses, the first 100 were delivered in 2014, as it was stated in March 2014 and in the article bellow.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-26647266
In July 2016 it was announced that NXWM would get funding for 10 hybrid and 19 electric buses and Birmingham City Council would get funding for 22 hydrogen fuel cell buses. The fuel cell buses have recently been mentioned in the local press but what has happened to the others. Tony has confirmed that the Enviros about to be delivered are funded by. NXWM.
Quote from: 2206 on October 28, 2017, 04:12:47 PM
No.
500 buses, the first 100 were delivered in 2014, as it was stated in March 2014 and in the article bellow.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-26647266
If the 2013 deliveries had been included in the 500 total - we'd be almost there:
81 ADL buses delivered; x60 Enviro400 (4880-4939), x12 Enviro400H (5410-21) and x9 Enviro400H (5422-30) for Dundee. I suppose you could exclude the nine Hybrids at Dundee.
Quote from: 2206 on October 28, 2017, 04:05:52 PM
No.
The first 100 included in the deal were those new in 2014.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-26647266
It states 600 buses over 5 years so according to
@paulb1973 That leaves 195 buses to be delivered through 2018 to 2019
Quote from: Chris on October 28, 2017, 09:16:16 PM
It states 600 buses over 5 years so according to @paulb1973 That leaves 195 buses to be delivered through 2018 to 2019
I really wouldn't worry about what the ADL deal in 2014 said, plans change / as does investment levels & priorities, I'm sure there are clauses within the contract to change what was originally agreed.
As an example, ADL were expecting to be supplying the following each year following the deal:
'A further 125 buses are expected to be delivered each year between 2015 and 2018'
For 2017 only 38 new buses have been ordered, as the majority of the capital investment has gone on new ticketing equipment / upgrading older buses to Euro 6
I wonder what the new buses on the 9 will be?
X9 which model will be platinums?
Quote from: pndriver on October 29, 2017, 01:03:32 AM
I wonder what the new buses on the 9 will be?
X9 which model will be platinums?
This x9 is taking ages to be implemented
So what's happening to the old buses on the routes at the moment. Would they move to other routes in Birmingham central or more to other garages cross the west Midlands
Quote from: leewhayward29 on October 29, 2017, 07:53:49 PM
So what's happening to the old buses on the routes at the moment. Would they move to other routes in Birmingham central or more to other garages cross the west Midlands
I would think it would be a similar chain of events when previous deliveries were made. As in buses will get moved around to keep fleet numbers uniform and the older vehicles will be rooted out. It's more than likely the scruffy ALX400 bodied vehicles (Of both chassis) will be main contenders for withdrawal.
Does anyone know if the interior of B5s going in for repaint will remain the same ? As in the yellow handlebars and the green/ yellow moquette seats ? I'm assuming so as the photo of 5502 on the main site does show yellow handlebars but they may have been painted since then.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 29, 2017, 08:06:12 PM
I would think it would be a similar chain of events when previous deliveries were made. As in buses will get moved around to keep fleet numbers uniform and the older vehicles will be rooted out. It's more than likely the scruffy ALX400 bodied vehicles (Of both chassis) will be main contenders for withdrawal.
Considering some of the ALX400 B7TLs have traps (with unrefurbed interiors) I doubt they won't go for a some time.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 29, 2017, 08:06:12 PM
Does anyone know if the interior of B5s going in for repaint will remain the same ? As in the yellow handlebars and the green/ yellow moquette seats ? I'm assuming so as the photo of 5502 on the main site does show yellow handlebars but they may have been painted since then.
I think Tony has already stated here that the interiors of the B5LHs will stay the same, just the body getting a repaint.
Quote from: Stu on October 29, 2017, 08:19:37 PM
I think Tony has already stated here that the interiors of the B5LHs will stay the same, just the body getting a repaint.
Yeah I've seen one of the Crimson B5s in service on Broad Street with the yellow bars inside.
When are the harborne buses due?
Quote from: Chris on November 08, 2017, 08:40:14 PM
When are the harborne buses due?
First ones should be delivered in about two weeks time
Quote from: Tony on November 08, 2017, 08:45:16 PM
First ones should be delivered in about two weeks time
Cheers Tony, Will these buses caused some transfers or more withdrawals of 41** Tridents
Quote from: Chris on November 08, 2017, 09:39:34 PM
Cheers Tony, Will these buses caused some transfers or more withdrawals of 41** Tridents
I guess some buses could be sent down to Coventry, I remember someone on here mentioning that there was the lowest amount of buses there in a good while, due to recent losses.
Quote from: DJ98 on November 08, 2017, 09:41:27 PM
I guess some buses could be sent down to Coventry, I remember someone on here mentioning that there was the lowest amount of buses there in a good while, due to recent losses.
There buses going up in flames is to blame. Some 41** can go there (not the Euro 4 ones).
Quote from: DJ98 on November 08, 2017, 09:41:27 PM
I guess some buses could be sent down to Coventry, I remember someone on here mentioning that there was the lowest amount of buses there in a good while, due to recent losses.
They can have 4880 alongside few B7RLE WE2s , maybe?
Anyone know of any new branding coming soon, branding would look nice on the 94 or even the 55 again, or X70 branding to go along with X12 brading
Quote from: Jack D on November 10, 2017, 08:25:13 PM
Anyone know of any new branding coming soon, branding would look nice on the 94 or even the 55 again, or X70 branding to go along with X12 brading
I've been meaning to say this for some time but why havent any recent Crimson Tridents or Gemini's had any branding? Been atleast over a year since a Trident last had any branding applied, which was 44**. Even though they look better without branding I think they should atleast price brand them. Take the 14 for example, all the 45** and 46** have been repainted (bar 4618 and 4628, current being repainted), the 14 should of been rebranded some time ago with Crimsons. Yet they do the Omnilinks at Walsall which are nowhere near being completed. I'd like the 46** Gemini's at PB branded for the 67, which was the route they were suppose to be put on, though they are thrown onto any Gemini route.
Quote from: Jack on November 10, 2017, 09:12:07 PM
I've been meaning to say this for some time but why havent any recent Crimson Tridents or Gemini's had any branding? Been atleast over a year since a Trident last had any branding applied, which was 44**. Even though they look better without branding I think they should atleast price brand them. Take the 14 for example, all the 45** and 46** have been repainted (bar 4618 and 4628, current being repainted), the 14 should of been rebranded some time ago with Crimsons. Yet they do the Omnilinks at Walsall which are nowhere near being completed. I'd like the 46** Gemini's at PB branded for the 67, which was the route they were suppose to be put on, though they are thrown onto any Gemini route.
I'd rather have the 44** Geminis branded for the 67. Prefer those to the ex Coventry ones. Plus it would have to be generic Lichfield Road branding with interworking on Saturdays and late nights
Quote from: John on November 10, 2017, 09:56:59 PM
I'd rather have the 44** Geminis branded for the 67. Prefer those to the ex Coventry ones. Plus it would have to be generic Lichfield Road branding with interworking on Saturdays and late nights
The Ex Cov Gemini's were sent to PB for the 67, but I don't see why they can't make it a corridor as well for the 65. I'd rather have the 44** price branded, meaning they aren't stuck on the 65/67 all the time, especially 4481! I'd rather them be either price branded or 94 branded. At least it means the ALX400's won't be thrown onto the 65/67. I'm not really a fan of the 65, do like the 67.
Quote from: Jack on November 10, 2017, 10:01:45 PM
The Ex Cov Gemini's were sent to PB for the 67
No they weren't
Quote from: Tony on November 10, 2017, 10:10:00 PM
No they weren't
What for then? I got told they were for 67. Unless they were to be spread on the Gemini routes like they currently do.
Is the 94 getting any new buses then ???? Suspect I know the answer
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 10, 2017, 10:41:12 PM
Is the 94 getting any new buses then ???? Suspect I know the answer
When the X1/2 get new buses again you can have the bottom end of the resulting cascade :D
From my understanding, the Ex Cov Geminis are for any routes that aren't allocated E400s. Would NX rather fit these newer Geminis with greater 'shelf life' with traps, or fit more traps to older knackered ALX400s. Common sense says Gemini, and then move older vehicles to AG/WB where they can live out their remaining lives on routes that don't require the traps. Simple business sense.
So that's what they're for Jack.
Sorry, a little behind, will the new platinum buses for Harborne be for all of the 22/3/4/9? And will these all be double decks or some single?
Quote from: Kevin on November 10, 2017, 11:36:27 PM
When the X1/2 get new buses again you can have the bottom end of the resulting cascade :D
Isn't just. I imagine will be when the 9 gets another set of new buses.
Quote from: BigDaddyCool on November 11, 2017, 08:32:44 AM
Sorry, a little behind, will the new platinum buses for Harborne be for all of the 22/3/4/9? And will these all be double decks or some single?
Yes the 38 will be required to cover all 4 routes. Quote from Tony a couple of weeks back:
"This weeks staff bulletin confirms that this years order is for Enviro 400MMCs in Platinum livery and delivery will commence 'in a few days'
Fleetnumber are going to be 6855-6892"
Quote from: MW on November 11, 2017, 01:26:30 AM
From my understanding, the Ex Cov Geminis are for any routes that aren't allocated E400s. Would NX rather fit these newer Geminis with greater 'shelf life' with traps, or fit more traps to older knackered ALX400s. Common sense says Gemini, and then move older vehicles to AG/WB where they can live out their remaining lives on routes that don't require the traps. Simple business sense.
So that's what they're for Jack.
They're allocated to E400 routes, the 7 and 16 have them and the 33 you see them on sometimes, not really the 101. When they first came to PB they were put in the 67. There's still no branding, whether it's price branding or route branding.
It would be nice to see the ALX400's leave PB. Even though I love them they are getting old, they have 16, most PB's are in a shocking state inside. AG's are way better.
Quote from: DJ98 on November 08, 2017, 09:41:27 PM
I guess some buses could be sent down to Coventry, I remember someone on here mentioning that there was the lowest amount of buses there in a good while, due to recent losses.
I'm a little surprised nobody's suggested 10 double deckers going to Coventry for the 4.
If you have, apologies, I missed it.
New Platinum bus for the Harborne routes arrives next week.
details of the first 11 of this years new vehicles are now on the main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html
Does anyone know if these will be branded for all Harnorne Routes and if so will it be keeping the red theme they've had previously?
6855 at Falkirk
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6855.html
After this delivery, NX will have over 190 platinum buses in its fleet. Will any future deliveries be in standard or is every future bus going to be platinum meaning that platinum becomes the norm?
My thinking.. The more there is, the more the value in the project dilutes.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on November 22, 2017, 05:17:18 PM
After this delivery, NX will have over 190 platinum buses in its fleet. Will any future deliveries be in standard or is every future bus going to be platinum meaning that platinum becomes the norm?
The 6101-48 Enviro 400 MMC's were the last batch of 'normal' double decks (the five Wright StreetDecks aside) that were not Platinum. Will we see further E400 MMC's in the crimson red? Fleet numbers could be stuck at 6148 for a while!
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on November 22, 2017, 05:17:18 PM
After this delivery, NX will have over 190 platinum buses in its fleet. Will any future deliveries be in standard or is every future bus going to be platinum meaning that platinum becomes the norm?
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 22, 2017, 08:26:06 PM
The 6101-48 Enviro 400 MMC's were the last batch of 'normal' double decks (the five Wright StreetDecks aside) that were not Platinum. Will we see further E400 MMC's in the crimson red? Fleet numbers could be stuck at 6148 for a while!
The 190 Platinums will have helped to contribute to the withdrawal of many older double-decks over the last couple of years, so I think that from next year we will start to see a great more 'crimson' double-decks brought in, as many of the older Tridents start to come to the end of their lives.
190 might seem a lot, but its still a small percentage of the overall fleet. So I don't think there is any question of 'dilution', not yet anyway. They're obviously proving successful in some way.
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 22, 2017, 08:26:06 PM
The 6101-48 Enviro 400 MMC's were the last batch of 'normal' double decks (the five Wright StreetDecks aside) that were not Platinum. Will we see further E400 MMC's in the crimson red? Fleet numbers could be stuck at 6148 for a while!
I suspect there will be more over the course of the next few years.
Quote from: Tony on November 22, 2017, 11:43:27 AM
6855 at Falkirk
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6855.html
I was really hoping there would be new feature on the this year Platinum orders like tables or glazed ceilings.
Personally I feel that although the MK1 environs are great, the MK2's are a let down (especially the 61 plates). However I would like to see some new Volvo Gemini 3's brought in from next year in standard. I think these would be great for lots of services, mainly the 33, 51 65/67 and chelmsley routes.
Quote from: Sayeed on November 22, 2017, 09:31:06 PM
I was really hoping there would be new feature on the this year Platinum orders like tables or glazed ceilings.
Effectively more of the same. Difficult to get too excited over these arrivals. Good to see 6855 in 'as delivered' condition. Wonder how long it will be before it disappears under vinyl?
Quote from: RW on November 22, 2017, 10:41:40 PM
Effectively more of the same. Difficult to get too excited over these arrivals. Good to see 6855 in 'as delivered' condition. Wonder how long it will be before it disappears under vinyl?
Yeah the bus enthusiast for people who like nx is very dull it has to be said.
It seems as though USB and Wifi plus leather / eleather / part leather seats are becoming standard offerings on the majority of new vehicles of most major operators these days. So much so that I struggle to see what Stagecoach Gold offers that many of the company's standard new E400 MMCs don't.
Not knocking it, it's all good for passengers but I wonder whther the concept of premium vs standard brands will disappear altogether at some stage, and eventually all new NX buses will also offer the features currently under the Platinum brand.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on November 22, 2017, 10:06:33 PM
Personally I feel that although the MK1 environs are great, the MK2's are a let down (especially the 61 plates). However I would like to see some new Volvo Gemini 3's brought in from next year in standard. I think these would be great for lots of services, mainly the 33, 51 65/67 and chelmsley routes.
Why upgrade the 33 and 51? The MK2 E400's are good buses (61 plates are better than the others). Just repaint and refurb the batch at Walsall and they look as good as new. The 33 looks extremely smart and still gets the odd Gemini everyday.
Quote from: Jack on November 22, 2017, 11:01:27 PM
Why upgrade the 33 and 51? The MK2 E400's are good buses (61 plates are better than the others). Just repaint and refurb the batch at Walsall and they look as good as new. The 33 looks extremely smart and still gets the odd Gemini everyday.
Think you may have answered your own question in the last sentence
Quote from: Tony on November 22, 2017, 11:43:27 AM
6855 at Falkirk
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6855.html
Is 'National Express' being dropped from the NXWM fleetname or was the logo just not fully applied?
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 22, 2017, 11:26:57 PM
Think you may have answered your own question in the last sentence
I disagree.
Nothing wrong with a odd repainted and refurbed crimson Gemini.
Quote from: Winston on November 22, 2017, 11:39:48 PM
Is 'National Express' being dropped from the NXWM fleetname or was the logo just not fully applied?
I'd assume the latter; when first photos of the 2014 WB/BC E400s surfaced, I thought they'd dropped the 'West Midlands' brand name, to be honest.
e.g. http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4951.html - then again, would one argue different circumstances?
Quote from: CL on November 22, 2017, 11:42:51 PM
I'd assume the latter; when first photos of the 2014 WB/BC E400s surfaced, I thought they'd dropped the 'West Midlands' brand name, to be honest.
e.g. http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4951.html - then again, would one argue different circumstances?
Those were purely just branded as NX as they worked the Commonwealth Games shuttles in Scotland before being delivered to NXWM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 22, 2017, 10:42:45 PM
Yeah the bus enthusiast for people who like nx is very dull it has to be said.
I like NX but I don't find the bus enthusiast very dull. Maybe you were referring to another bus enthusiast.
6855 & 6856 should arrive at BC tomorrow morning
Quote from: 2206 on November 22, 2017, 11:41:12 PM
I disagree.
Nothing wrong with a odd repainted and refurbed crimson Gemini.
I never said there was. But not being able to have a full set of a certain bus type can lead to an upgrade, I.e. Dudley Road
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 22, 2017, 08:26:06 PM
The 6101-48 Enviro 400 MMC's were the last batch of 'normal' double decks (the five Wright StreetDecks aside) that were not Platinum. Will we see further E400 MMC's in the crimson red? Fleet numbers could be stuck at 6148 for a while!
I never quite understood why the Platinums started at 6701, previous batches of high spec buses (Geminis and E400s) were numbered as part of the original series and it carried on with normal buses afterwards. If they carry on with the Platinum numbers then only a few upgrades later we'll start hitting 7000 when we already have Scanias. Normal spec ADL products on the other hand have hundreds of fleetnumbers to use up
In a similar vein, I'd imagine any future deliveries from other operators (Wright Streetdecks?) would continue the 33xx series?
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 22, 2017, 11:26:57 PM
Think you may have answered your own question in the last sentence
I never said there is a problem putting Gemini's or ALX400's on the 33. I replyed to
@The Fox 4846 who said the 33/51 need an upgrade which they don't. Just because I said it still has Gemini's doesn't mean it needs upgrading!
Quote from: Kevin on November 23, 2017, 01:59:10 PM
I never quite understood why the Platinums started at 6701, previous batches of high spec buses (Geminis and E400s) were numbered as part of the original series and it carried on with normal buses afterwards. If they carry on with the Platinum numbers then only a few upgrades later we'll start hitting 7000 when we already have Scanias. Normal spec ADL products on the other hand have hundreds of fleetnumbers to use up
In a similar vein, I'd imagine any future deliveries from other operators (Wright Streetdecks?) would continue the 33xx series?
I'm not totally sure why those five StreetDecks received such a low range of numbers compared to other double decks of a similar age. They certainly stand out (which is probably the point of the numbers chosen!) but generally speaking separate batches of buses tend to get 'higher' numbers (eg. 6xxx for the Bendibuses, and 54xx/55xx for the Hybrids). I always thought 5001-5 would have been better for those five. You could say the 60xx range for the articulated fleet is a slight waste of numbers, as it seems unlikely NXWM will ever order any more!
If anything it might have been better to number the Platinums at 6101 (and the 'normal' E400 MMC's from 6701 !) that would allow for a theoretical 600-odd Platinum buses. Otherwise, as you say, we'll be hitting 7000 soon. And 7001-33 etc are already taken. The branding has been so successful, perhaps they didn't anticipate needing over 300 numbers. Granted that number of buses hasn't been reached yet.
It would be simple to change the 7/8 of 67xx/68xx to a lower number if the need arises - presuming the systems in place can deal with reuse of the released numbers!
However, unless there's been a change in Policy (entirely possible given new NX Bus management this year), I would doubt 6101-6148 remain unique as 'standard Crimson spec' new MMCs. Noting that Coventry need 49 odd new or transferred (long term, not v elderly Trident) vehicles perhaps we'll see some new blue MMCs in due course - although it wouldn't surprise me if they have Platinum spec as well on the Leamington corridor.
I agree regarding the closing of spec nationally between premium and normal buses - travelling a lot on More bus (Go South Coast) recently, many of their vehicles on standard urban routes have usb and wifi and leather seats - only the longer distance routes have tables as well...
Regarding the Streetdecks, whether it's a coincidence or not, 3301 was the first BCT Metro Cammell Fleetline in 1963 - it also allows 700 vehicles before previously used 4001 occurs again. It remains to be seen whether a bulk order is placed at some stage - it would seem logical if not probable that a second supplier of double deck diesel or hybrids would be used.
6855 appears to have the cab side fleet number and lettering in reversed positions - the fleet number is midway along the cab side. When vehicles are lined up in a depot probably more difficult to identify from the offside. Incorrect application or change of Policy?
Quote from: don on November 23, 2017, 04:54:23 PM
It would be simple to change the 7 of 67xx to a lower number if the need arises.
However, unless there's been a change in Policy (entirely possible given new NX Bus management this year), I would doubt 6101-6148 remain unique as 'standard Crimson spec' new MMCs. Noting that Coventry need 49 odd new or transferred (long term, not v elderly Trident) vehicles perhaps we'll see some new blue MMCs in due course - although it wouldn't surprise me if they have Platinum spec as well on the Leamington corridor.
I too would be surprised if more conventional Enviros aren't ordered over time.
Quote from: Jack on November 23, 2017, 03:23:06 PM
I never said there is a problem putting Gemini's or ALX400's on the 33. I replyed to @The Fox 4846 who said the 33/51 need an upgrade which they don't. Just because I said it still has Gemini's doesn't mean it needs upgrading!
As I said earlier, not having enough of a certain bus type for one route can be a valid reason for upgrading.
Also, buses between Perry Barr and Birmingham are every 3-4 minutes. I'd be surprised if the 33/51 weren't considered for upgrades...
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 23, 2017, 06:13:15 PM
Also, buses between Perry Barr and Birmingham are every 3-4 minutes. I'd be surprised if the 33/51 weren't considered for upgrades...
The E400's are only 6 years old. I think the E400's are fine on both. The 65/67 have more than 1 bus type on them. Get any Standard DD at Perry Barr. I don't see why the 65/67 can't be upgraded, the state of some buses on them is appalling.
Quote from: Jack on November 23, 2017, 07:03:21 PM
The E400's are only 6 years old. I think the E400's are fine on both. The 65/67 have more than 1 bus type on them. Get any Standard DD at Perry Barr. I don't see why the 65/67 can't be upgraded, the state of some buses on them is appalling.
They are only 6 years old. But they could be cascaded onto other routes (such as the 65/67 which are allocated buses in an 'appalling state') if the 33/51 were upgraded.
Not saying they should get new buses, but you would think both routes are candidates at the very least.
I would say the 33 is a more high profile route than the 65/67, but that's another debate
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 23, 2017, 07:08:12 PM
They are only 6 years old. But they could be cascaded onto other routes (such as the 65/67 which are allocated buses in an 'appalling state') if the 33/51 were upgraded.
Not saying they should get new buses, but you would think both routes are candidates at the very least.
I would say the 33 is a more high profile route than the 65/67, but that's another debate
I don't think they're candidates. Just Crimson the ones on the 51 and they'll look as good as new like the 33's buses. I would say the 51 is more high profile than the 33.
The 65/67 are candidates, considering they are mostly ran by 16 year old ALX400 B7TLs.
Quote from: Jack on November 23, 2017, 07:14:00 PM
I don't think they're candidates. Just Crimson the ones on the 51 and they'll look as good as new like the 33's buses. I would say the 51 is more high profile than the 33.
I think you're missing my point, but ok, let's agree to disagree.
Quote from: don on November 23, 2017, 04:58:02 PM
6855 appears to have the cab side fleet number and lettering in reversed positions - the fleet number is midway along the cab side. When vehicles are lined up in a depot probably more difficult to identify from the offside. Incorrect application or change of Policy?
Something to do with the branding (if any) to be applied maybe?
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 23, 2017, 07:19:44 PM
I think you're missing my point, but ok, let's agree to disagree.
Crimson WA's E400 and they'll just look good as new like PB's did. I'm not sure what you didn't understand.
Quote from: don on November 23, 2017, 04:54:23 PM
It would be simple to change the 7/8 of 67xx/68xx to a lower number if the need arises - presuming the systems in place can deal with reuse of the released numbers!
However, unless there's been a change in Policy (entirely possible given new NX Bus management this year), I would doubt 6101-6148 remain unique as 'standard Crimson spec' new MMCs. Noting that Coventry need 49 odd new or transferred (long term, not v elderly Trident) vehicles perhaps we'll see some new blue MMCs in due course - although it wouldn't surprise me if they have Platinum spec as well on the Leamington corridor.
I agree regarding the closing of spec nationally between premium and normal buses - travelling a lot on More bus (Go South Coast) recently, many of their vehicles on standard urban routes have usb and wifi and leather seats - only the longer distance routes have tables as well...
Regarding the Streetdecks, whether it's a coincidence or not, 3301 was the first BCT Metro Cammell Fleetline in 1963 - it also allows 700 vehicles before previously used 4001 occurs again. It remains to be seen whether a bulk order is placed at some stage - it would seem logical if not probable that a second supplier of double deck diesel or hybrids would be used.
Its possible in future years, the current E400 MMC Platinum buses may be superseded by newer designs, rendering the current crop a little out of date. But they'll likely remain with their current fleet numbers (NX seem cool on re-numbering buses/re-using numbers). They could in theory be down-graded and repainted into the 'normal' livery in the fullness of time - but their fleet numbers will still make them stand out. Perhaps 6101 onwards for all MMC's would have been better, regardless of specification.
It sounds like 3301 onwards was a nod to history - I always thought E200 MMC's 2201-50 at Acocks Green were the same (bearing in mind Rolls Royce engine Mk1 Metrobuses 2226-45 were based there for many years). I know some have been transferred to YW.
I suspect they will Platinum-ise the 11/12 corridor to Leamington Spa eventually, they are half way there now.
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 23, 2017, 08:52:09 PM
It sounds like 3301 onwards was a nod to history - I always thought E200 MMC's 2201-50 at Acocks Green were the same (bearing in mind Rolls Royce engine Mk1 Metrobuses 2226-45 were based there for many years). I know some have been transferred to YW.
Go back further to when BCT had just 35 single deckers: 2231-2260 were Tigers, 2261-5 Olympics. And YW had some Tigers for the 27.
Not sure quite what you mean, but the first BCT MCW Fleetline was 3241 in 1962, part of the trial batch of ten. These led to the three-year order for 300 Fleetlines which was a bit like the current ADL order for deliveries over several years. And the 27 was worked by Selly Oak, not YW, with the Tigers, though YW did get 3 Olympics in 1963 for the new service 4 to Pool Farm. Three of those Tigers still exist - 2231, 2245 and 2257.
Quote from: Stevo on November 24, 2017, 10:12:46 AM
Not sure quite what you mean, but the first BCT MCW Fleetline was 3241 in 1962, part of the trial batch of ten. These led to the three-year order for 300 Fleetlines which was a bit like the current ADL order for deliveries over several years. And the 27 was worked by Selly Oak, not YW, with the Tigers, though YW did get 3 Olympics in 1963 for the new service 4 to Pool Farm. Three of those Tigers still exist - 2231, 2245 and 2257.
Indeed you're right - 3301 was the first of MCWs 150 of that order for 300 and was certainly one of the first of the 300 in service - the first I saw was 3302 on route 39. 3241 was the first of a trial batch of 10 (and was the fourth Fleetline chassis built) for comparison with a similar batch of Atlanteans.
Quote from: don on November 24, 2017, 11:02:59 AM
Indeed you're right - 3301 was the first of MCWs 150 of that order for 300 and was certainly one of the first of the 300 in service - the first I saw was 3302 on route 39. 3241 was the first of a trial batch of 10 (and was the fourth Fleetline chassis built) for comparison with a similar batch of Atlanteans.
Wasn't 3251 the first of the 300 order?
Quote from: Tony on November 24, 2017, 11:14:25 AM
Wasn't 3251 the first of the 300 order?
Yes I believe it was 251GON.
6855 now at BC, 6856 on the M6 heading South
Quote from: Tony on November 24, 2017, 01:23:15 PM
6855 now at BC, 6856 on the M6 heading South
When are they likely to be in service from ?
@Tony
Quote from: Tony on November 24, 2017, 11:14:25 AM
Wasn't 3251 the first of the 300 order?
3251-3300 were the Park royals and 3301-3350 MCW, but they were delivered simultaneously and first worked the 39 to Witton.
Probably 4th December
Quote from: Tony on November 24, 2017, 01:23:15 PM
6855 now at BC, 6856 on the M6 heading South
Are these officially ADL Enviro 400 MMC's but without the 'H' [for Hybrid]. I thought they were hybrid types.
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 24, 2017, 04:28:58 PM
Are these officially ADL Enviro 400 MMC's but without the 'H' [for Hybrid]. I thought they were hybrid types.
I think it's been said that they're like the latest StreetLites at Diamond, so 'Micro Hybrid' whatever that means.
Quote from: MW on November 24, 2017, 04:34:11 PM
I think it's been said that they're like the latest StreetLites at Diamond, so 'Micro Hybrid' whatever that means.
My understanding was that micro hybrids use electricity generated through braking to help power various aspects of the bus other than the engine /acceleration etc. I thought that these 'smart hybrids' used that energy to help power acceleration so were different to micro hybrids in that respect. I may be talking rubbish though, and would appreciate if someone could confirm, as there seems little to distinguish these from standard MMCs at the moment.
Quote from: Mike K on November 24, 2017, 05:38:52 PM
My understanding was that micro hybrids use electricity generated through braking to help power various aspects of the bus other than the engine /acceleration etc. I thought that these 'smart hybrids' used that energy to help power acceleration so were different to micro hybrids in that respect. I may be talking rubbish though, and would appreciate if someone could confirm, as there seems little to distinguish these from standard MMCs at the moment.
You are correct Mike
I am sure it is safe to assume these buses will have Cummins engines, but are they 4 cylinder or 6 cylinder?
What is the projected life of a Plattie before it gets downgraded to standard work/livery?
I wander what will happen to the Single Decker B7RLE's at BC freed up by the 29 getting new Platinums and what'll be converted to Single Deckers? Presumably they'd go elsewhere and leave BC, I can't see any of BC's decker routes being converted to Single Deckers.
Quote from: 2206 on November 25, 2017, 06:24:37 PM
I wander what will happen to the Single Decker B7RLE's at BC freed up by the 29 getting new Platinums and what'll be converted to Single Deckers? Presumably they'd go elsewhere and leave BC, I can't see any of BC's decker routes being converted to Single Deckers.
X70?
How is the X70 doing, I think crimson some b7rles and branded them same as the X12 and increase the frequency to every 20 mins so combined with the X12 every 10 mins?
Quote from: 2206 on November 25, 2017, 06:24:37 PM
I wander what will happen to the Single Decker B7RLE's at BC freed up by the 29 getting new Platinums and what'll be converted to Single Deckers? Presumably they'd go elsewhere and leave BC, I can't see any of BC's decker routes being converted to Single Deckers.
I've always wanted PB to have some Urban 2's, so it gives a bit of variety with the Omnilinks, but I know that will never happen. :) I think a few may go to WA for the 29.
PB have more than enough SD's so I doubt it.
Quote from: Jack6101 on November 25, 2017, 06:50:44 PM
Well you haven't seen the x70 at 4 pm
From the City Centre it could cope with a B7RLE from what I've seen, at a half hour frequency and it doesn't pick up Washwood Heath Road passengers like the 70 used to.
Quote from: Chris on November 25, 2017, 06:52:48 PM
How is the X70 doing, I think crimson some b7rles and branded them same as the X12 and increase the frequency to every 20 mins so combined with the X12 every 10 mins?
Bromford, Coleshill and Water Ortorn don't realy need a frequency increase though they cope fine as they are.
Quote from: 2206 on November 25, 2017, 06:58:16 PM
From the City Centre it could cope with a B7RLE from what I've seen, at a half hour frequency and it doesn't pick up Washwood Heath Road passengers like the 70 used to.
The Chipperfield Road to City section is where it mainly fills up, but the Deckers are still not that full..
X70 buses from City for shift change at Hams Hall are near enough full on a decker. Single deckers would not cope at this time
Quote from: Jack on November 25, 2017, 06:59:50 PM
The Chipperfield Road to City section is where it mainly fills up, but the Deckers are still not that full..
Surely deckers on the X12 are sufficient for the Bromford Estate, how come they need the X70 as well?
When I've seen it I've sometimes seen the X12's and X70's following each other in convey along that section, when it's behind a X12 it doesn't pick anybody up.
Quote from: 2206 on November 25, 2017, 07:09:48 PM
Surely deckers on the X12 are sufficient for the Bromford Estate, how come they need the X70 as well?
When I've seen it I've sometimes seen the X12's and X70's following each other in convey along that section, when it's behind a X12 it doesn't pick anybody up.
I've seen them doing that a lot. It's nice seeing a Trident and a Gemini following each other in convoy!
13 single decks are leaving BC, so you don't need to speculate on which BC route might get thei
I thinking Walsall maybe?
Quote from: Chris on November 25, 2017, 09:57:14 PM
I thinking Walsall maybe?
I was thinking Walsall as well, make the 29 fully Eclipse 2, but I think 13 are way too many for WA. A split between WA and another depot?
Quote from: 2206 on November 25, 2017, 06:24:37 PM
I wander what will happen to the Single Decker B7RLE's at BC freed up by the 29 getting new Platinums and what'll be converted to Single Deckers? Presumably they'd go elsewhere and leave BC, I can't see any of BC's decker routes being converted to Single Deckers.
The first garage that springs to mind for receiving B7RLEs is WA
3 to PN and 10 to WA?
Quote from: Chris on November 25, 2017, 10:06:53 PM
3 to PN and 10 to WA?
Why do WA need so much? They are used mainly on the 29 and a few on the 301/302, but some have appeared on the 7/A I've been told. It's been mentioned Walsall try and keep them off Bradford Place.
I presume 2078-2080 will return to PE.
Coventry to replace artics for at least 10
Quote from: Jack on November 25, 2017, 10:12:39 PM
Why do WA need so much? They are used mainly on the 29 and a few on the 301/302, but some have appeared on the 7/A I've been told. It's been mentioned Walsall try and keep them off Bradford Place.
I presume 2078-2080 will return to PE.
That's the first prediction incorrect.
Quote from: BN on November 26, 2017, 08:20:22 AM
That's the first prediction incorrect.
Still
@BN has replied, must mean WN to get some releasing Tridents to CV haha
Quote from: Chris on November 26, 2017, 11:00:56 AM
Still @BN has replied, must mean WN to get some releasing Tridents to CV haha
No, just BN is on the email list to see the whole cascade plan, so he knows the whole plan, although it's already changed once with the movement of 4147 & 4180
Cascade plan? I wonder if that involves Dundee at some point? Some Eclipse 2's to rid us of Presidents wouldn't go a miss...
Quote from: DavieDD2 on November 26, 2017, 01:56:37 PM
Cascade plan? I wonder if that involves Dundee at some point? Some Eclipse 2's to rid us of Presidents wouldn't go a miss...
Why would you want to get rid of the Presidents? :(
Slightly off topic, but does WA 70 / 70a need E200's, because surely they could be used on the Darlaston corridor instead, in fact I saw the one on the 37 the other day!
(If you could get enough E200's together, then surely you could merge the 36 & 39?)
Quote from: Westy on November 26, 2017, 03:00:03 PM
Slightly off topic, but does WA 70 / 70a need E200's, because surely they could be used on the Darlaston corridor instead, in fact I saw the one on the 37 the other day!
(If you could get enough E200's together, then surely you could merge the 36 & 39?)
I remember the 70 (prior to the E200's) was operated by Omnilinks and B7RLE's and the 70A was the usual B6. But would there be enough E200's for the 34/37 if the 39 was to be merged with the 36?
Can full size Single Deckers do the 70A? As when there is no spare E200's WA tend to put a Trident on it, which is smaller in length than a Omnilink/B7RLE.
Quote from: DJ98 on November 26, 2017, 02:35:07 PM
Why would you want to get rid of the Presidents? :(
Because they're almost 18 years old compared to 5?
Quote from: DavieDD2 on November 26, 2017, 01:56:37 PM
Cascade plan? I wonder if that involves Dundee at some point? Some Eclipse 2's to rid us of Presidents wouldn't go a miss...
There is a plan to replace the Presidents but it doesn't involve this cascade.
Quote from: Gareth on November 26, 2017, 04:31:23 PM
Because they're almost 18 years old compared to 5?
And there on core Dundee City Centre services, as the Presidents are even too old for the Fife schools work
Quote from: Tony on November 25, 2017, 09:46:22 PM
13 single decks are leaving BC, so you don't need to speculate on which BC route might get thei
I'm thinking as follows:
E400's BC to NXC to replace Bendi's & loan NXWM liveried Tridents poss 4940-9
E400's BC to WB from 4928 batch
A few Crimson Tridents for PN
13 x B7RLE's split between WA & WN
Quote from: Tony on November 26, 2017, 04:38:17 PM
There is a plan to replace the Presidents but it doesn't involve this cascade.
Can you tell us what depots are involved
@Tony ?
Quote from: Tony on November 26, 2017, 04:38:17 PM
There is a plan to replace the Presidents but it doesn't involve this cascade.
You're teasing us
@Tony, prey tell... :)
Quote from: MW on November 26, 2017, 06:13:17 PM
Can you tell us what depots are involved @Tony ?
All except AG & BY, although AG probably will be in the final shakedown
Quote from: Tony on November 26, 2017, 06:28:34 PM
All except AG & BY, although AG probably will be in the final shakedown
Yeah I guessed AG wouldn't be very involved lol.
I have a nasty feeling PB will be getting rid of their ALX400's. I would be happy to see the back of 4291, as would most PB drivers. If some E400's from BC come and cascade them out? Hopefully not!
Either 6857 or 6858 has been spotted on the M6 heading Southbound.
That was 6858
Quote from: midlandred2003 on November 27, 2017, 01:23:03 PM
That was 6858
Arrived at BC a couple of hours ago, so I took it out in the yard for a photo
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6858.html
6856 also came Saturday
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6856.html
At least one more due tomorrow
I can't spot any external differences to the previous batch. I expected differences around the engine compartment with the smart hybrid gubbins.
Quote from: Stevo on November 27, 2017, 06:07:11 PM
I can't spot any external differences to the previous batch. I expected differences around the engine compartment with the smart hybrid gubbins.
The fuel cap bit is the only noticeable part, for me at least.
On another note, with the introduction of Platinums on the Harborne corridor, I wonder if it'd be the end of the Phil Upton announcements. :P
Quote from: CL on November 27, 2017, 06:51:09 PM
The fuel cap bit is the only noticeable part, for me at least.
On another note, with the introduction of Platinums on the Harborne corridor, I wonder if it'd be the end of the Phil Upton announcements. :P
Yes, they don't have the autocheck things by the fuel filler, so the surrounding silver panel is smaller
Quote from: CL on November 27, 2017, 06:51:09 PM
The fuel cap bit is the only noticeable part, for me at least.
On another note, with the introduction of Platinums on the Harborne corridor, I wonder if it'd be the end of the Phil Upton announcements. :P
Have they ever actually updated the next stop announcements since the route change in the city? After Great Charles St the next stop is announced as Lloyd House, Colmore Circus, rather than Livery Street. I've not paid attention on the city loop and don't use it around that section any more.
Quote from: Mike K on November 27, 2017, 07:32:47 PM
Have they ever actually updated the next stop announcements since the route change in the city? After Great Charles St the next stop is announced as Lloyd House, Colmore Circus, rather than Livery Street. I've not paid attention on the city loop and don't use it around that section any more.
No they haven't.
With all the proposed changes coming in South Birmingham - will this affect the branding of the new platinum buses for the Harborbe routes, especially as there are some that may no longer be in existence.
Quote from: BigDaddyCool on November 28, 2017, 10:05:00 AM
With all the proposed changes coming in South Birmingham - will this affect the branding of the new platinum buses for the Harborbe routes, especially as there are some that may no longer be in existence.
I doubt it, as long as the branding says City Centre - Broad St - Five Ways - Harborne. That should cover all routes, changes or not.
do you know the new buses that are getting delivered to birmingham central garage are they gonna have new ticket machines
Quote from: Jordan on November 28, 2017, 12:36:36 PM
do you know the new buses that are getting delivered to birmingham central garage are they gonna have new ticket machines
From what Ive heard yes.
Quote from: B.C Driver on November 28, 2017, 12:04:04 PM
I doubt it, as long as the branding says City Centre - Broad St - Five Ways - Harborne. That should cover all routes, changes or not.
I guess if one of the 22 or 29 changes and no longer serves Harborne, and the current number of buses per hour on the City to Harborne stretch decreases, they might have to de-brand a few. Or maybe they'll pre-empt that anyway and leave a number un-branded?
Quote from: Mike K on November 28, 2017, 12:57:06 PM
I guess if one of the 22 or 29 changes and no longer serves Harborne, and the current number of buses per hour on the City to Harborne stretch decreases, they might have to de-brand a few. Or maybe they'll pre-empt that anyway and leave a number un-branded?
The unbranded ones can also be used on the X1, X2, X61 and the X70 is crying out for Platinums.
Also 6825 -28 6850 - 54 can be used on Harborne routes too if they need to.
Quote from: B.C Driver on November 28, 2017, 01:30:53 PM
The unbranded ones can also be used on the X1, X2, X61 and the X70 is crying out for Platinums.
Also 6825 -28 6850 - 54 can be used on Harborne routes too if they need to.
how many buses are required on the x70??
Quote from: B.C Driver on November 28, 2017, 01:30:53 PM
The unbranded ones can also be used on the X1, X2, X61 and the X70 is crying out for Platinums.
Also 6825 -28 6850 - 54 can be used on Harborne routes too if they need to.
I've never understood why there is always at least one on the 60 when the X70 could have it instead.
Quote from: Jack6101 on November 28, 2017, 01:38:22 PM
how many buses are required on the x70??
I think it's 2
Today's arrival - 6857
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6857.html
Quote from: Tony on November 28, 2017, 03:26:30 PM
Today's arrival - 6857
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6857.html
I'm not sure if you take requests
@Tony , but could you get a picture of one of the B5LHs next to one of the new Platinums with either the 22 destination on both or the 23 destination? I think that's be a good photo.
The B5LH are green with envy of 6857
Quote from: Chris on November 28, 2017, 04:05:11 PM
The B5LH are green with envy of 6857
I bet the drivers prefer the Volvo
Quote from: V89MOA on November 28, 2017, 02:15:46 PM
I've never understood why there is always at least one on the 60 when the X70 could have it instead.
The X70 could have the spare E400's, but I agree it should be Platnium and every 15 minuted combined with the X12. The route is quite poor in terms of its frequency.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 28, 2017, 04:54:46 PM
I bet the drivers prefer the Volvo
I prefer the B5's over the E400H.
Quote from: Jack on November 28, 2017, 05:28:45 PM
The X70 could have the spare E400's, but I agree it should be Platnium and every 15 minuted combined with the X12. The route is quite poor in terms of its frequency.
I prefer the B5's over the E400H.
The frequency of the X70 is more than adequate. Have you ever been to Coleshill?
I'm pretty sure the Coleshill services have always been every 30minutes. X70, 70, 90, 590 and 161/171.
Quote from: Jack on November 28, 2017, 05:28:45 PM
The X70 could have the spare E400's, but I agree it should be Platnium and every 15 minuted combined with the X12. The route is quite poor in terms of its frequency.
I prefer the B5's over the E400H.
Quote from: Jack on October 25, 2017, 10:47:56 AM
I don't think the X70 is profitable unless Claribels make it more frequent. 15 minutes during the day perhaps? Unless NX decide to make it more useful than a poor 2 buses an hour! I remember the days of Sunny Travel on the 14
How come you keep suggesting a frequency increase for Coleshill and Water Orton.
The X70 is more than adequate for Coleshill sand Water Orton, where would all these extra passengers appear from.
The X12 is enough for Bromford.
Combined 15 minute frequency, why reduce the frequency on the X12?
The PVR for the X70 must be at least 4 with a 55 min journey time.
Quote from: 2206 on November 28, 2017, 05:47:49 PM
How come you keep suggesting a frequency increase for Coleshill and Water Orton.
The X70 is more than adequate for Coleshill sand Water Orton, where would all these extra passengers appear from.
The X12 is enough for Bromford.
Combined 15 minute frequency, why reduce the frequency on the X12?
If the X12 is 'enough' for Bromford then why is there the X70. Most of the time I see the X70 it just follows the X12 in convoy. I agree that Coleshill and Water Orton don't need a more frequent service, I meant the Bromford part of the route. People usually get whatever comes first X12 and X70, making the X70 more profitable could be by making the frequency to 20 minutes? The only the other suggestion is to run the 70 all during the day like it use to be, or renumber it to the 90.
I'm not sure why you're getting mad for, it will probably never happen anyway. Just a suggestion.
Quote from: Jack on November 28, 2017, 07:21:31 PM
If the X12 is 'enough' for Bromford then why is there the X70. Most of the time I see the X70 it just follows the X12 in convoy. I agree that Coleshill and Water Orton don't need a more frequent service, I meant the Bromford part of the route. People usually get whatever comes first X12 and X70, making the X70 more profitable could be by making the frequency to 20 minutes? The only the other suggestion is to run the 70 all during the day like it use to be, or renumber it to the 90.
I'm not sure why you're getting mad for, it will probably never happen anyway. Just a suggestion.
If the X70s just follow empty through Bromford most of the time behind the X12, Bromford doesn't need a frequency increase.
It doesn't automatically make it more profitable.
The 20 minute frequency on the X12 and previously the X70 is enough.
Quote from: Jack on November 28, 2017, 07:21:31 PM
If the X12 is 'enough' for Bromford then why is there the X70. Most of the time I see the X70 it just follows the X12 in convoy. I agree that Coleshill and Water Orton don't need a more frequent service, I meant the Bromford part of the route. People usually get whatever comes first X12 and X70, making the X70 more profitable could be by making the frequency to 20 minutes? The only the other suggestion is to run the 70 all during the day like it use to be, or renumber it to the 90.
I'm not sure why you're getting mad for, it will probably never happen anyway. Just a suggestion.
The X70 isn't just for the Bromford area. The frequency was reduced because there was less demand in Water Orton and Coleshill. By your logic, what you should actually be proposing is a frequency increase for the X12, perhaps at peak times.
But then again, as I have commented in another thread, where do you actually live and travel to? Do you just want a frequency increase on the X70 so you can have a nice ride in your leisure time and not have to wait an hour because you just missed one? Perhaps the few passengers in Water Orton and Coleshill are happy with an hourly frequency as long as the bus turns up on time?
Bus services cost money to run, so if the demand is not there, then frequencies will be lower as a result.
Quote from: Stu on November 28, 2017, 08:36:32 PM
The X70 isn't just for the Bromford area. The frequency was reduced because there was less demand in Water Orton and Coleshill. By your logic, what you should actually be proposing is a frequency increase for the X12, perhaps at peak times.
But then again, as I have commented in another thread, where do you actually live and travel to? Do you just want a frequency increase on the X70 so you can have a nice ride in your leisure time and not have to wait an hour because you just missed one? Perhaps the few passengers in Water Orton and Coleshill are happy with an hourly frequency as long as the bus turns up on time?
Bus services cost money to run, so if the demand is not there, then frequencies will be lower as a result.
Understandable with your first point, the X12 could do with a frequency increase during peak times. City to Bromford in Peaks is quite busy, the 72 was the same when it served this section.
No I don't have a nice little ride in my leisure time on the X70, just making a suggestion. The X70 is a route that runs fine, I was just saying that Bromford to City should have a better bus service in the Peaks. The X70 is dying for Platniums as well.
I think it's quite obvious where I live and what routes I travel on, judging that I've slagged them off a lot.
Quieter routes shouldn't have to be extremely frequent, just take the WB 89 for an example, its quiet between West Bromwich and Cape Hill, but Dudley Road to City can get full. I was just saying what purpose does the X70 serve going through Bromford? Faster route yes, but it tends to run quiet between this section and I've only ever seen it pick up if it's the first bus to arrive at that Stop, X70 first bus, X12 behind. I've done explaining my POV.
Quote from: Jack on November 28, 2017, 11:03:32 PM
Understandable with your first point, the X12 could do with a frequency increase during peak times. City to Bromford in Peaks is quite busy, the 72 was the same when it served this section.
No I don't have a nice little ride in my leisure time on the X70, just making a suggestion. The X70 is a route that runs fine, I was just saying that Bromford to City should have a better bus service in the Peaks. The X70 is dying for Platniums as well.
I think it's quite obvious where I live and what routes I travel on, judging that I've slagged them off a lot.
Quieter routes shouldn't have to be extremely frequent, just take the WB 89 for an example, its quiet between West Bromwich and Cape Hill, but Dudley Road to City can get full. I was just saying what purpose does the X70 serve going through Bromford? Faster route yes, but it tends to run quiet between this section and I've only ever seen it pick up if it's the first bus to arrive at that Stop, X70 first bus, X12 behind. I've done explaining my POV.
Literally the only reason the 89 gets full between Cape Hill & Birmingham is because it's on the Dudley Road corridor and is another bus to Birmingham as far as Dudley Road passengers are concerned. The 89's my local, as it has been for what seems like forever
The X12 is a 50% capacity increase in capacity over the 72 because of the use of deckers
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 28, 2017, 11:43:48 PM
Literally the only reason the 89 gets full between Cape Hill & Birmingham is because it's on the Dudley Road corridor and is another bus to Birmingham as far as Dudley Road passengers are concerned. The 89's my local, as it has been for what seems like forever
Hence why I linked the 89 to the X70, full one part and quiet the other part, 83 was like this as well. I've been 0405N's on the 89 (when they were allocation) and they were quiet as well.
6859 & 6861 now delivered
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6861.html
Looking like the 24 may be the first route to get them on Monday
Quote from: Tony on November 30, 2017, 03:04:11 PM
6859 & 6861 now delivered
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6861.html
Looking like the 24 may be the first route to get them on Monday
Any idea how many will be branded out of the 38 and when branding will start?
Just passed 6860 at Scott Arms heading to Birmingham Central on delivery.
Registration etc for 6866-6886 should appear here very soon
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html
These Scottish Plates are so damn irritating. They've sucked the soul out of it.
Quote from: MW on December 01, 2017, 08:56:01 PM
These Scottish Plates are so damn irritating. They've sucked the soul out of it.
I know what you mean about Scottish number plates; it's a minor detail but it bothers me too. In this day and age where pretty much every new bus nationally is one of just a handful of types, E400MMC, Gemini 3 etc, number plates at least give some more local identity. It's frustrating because some operators do still register their vehicles locally, e.g. Cardiff Bus and Go North East.
Quote from: MW on December 01, 2017, 08:56:01 PM
These Scottish Plates are so damn irritating. They've sucked the soul out of it.
That happened a long time ago, with the first Tridents and their non-matching Y-plate registrations. The post 2000 system knocked the fun out of the numbers part of it.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on December 02, 2017, 05:27:22 PM
That happened a long time ago, with the first Tridents and their non-matching Y-plate registrations. The post 2000 system knocked the fun out of the numbers part of it.
Except for Borismasters and even the last ones of those don't match up!
Quote from: The Real 4778 on December 02, 2017, 05:27:22 PM
That happened a long time ago, with the first Tridents and their non-matching Y-plate registrations. The post 2000 system knocked the fun out of the numbers part of it.
That's a double edged sword, we Dundoanians don't like the sight of red and white buses on our roads with registrations like BX or BU, it's becoming the norm these days for manufacturers to register their products where they're made, if you don't like Scottish plates, buy MCV's, Wright's or Optare, until then 'S'uck 'N'obs, if you buy ADL you're getting Scottish plates.
Sorry, wrong quote, was aimed
@MW's earlier post
::) It's a bleeding registration plate???????????????? Get a grip.
Quote from: DavieDD2 on December 02, 2017, 11:06:06 PM
That's a double edged sword, we Dundoanians don't like the sight of red and white buses on our roads with registrations like BX or BU, it's becoming the norm these days for manufacturers to register their products where they're made, if you don't like Scottish plates, buy MCV's, Wright's or Optare, until then 'S'uck 'N'obs, if you buy ADL you're getting Scottish plates.
Volvo have a bus and truck dealership here in the Midlands. Coventry is it? Anyway they seem to have Birmingham plates. Even the Volvo/Wright in London have Birmingham plates.
I too don't understand why some operators are still having local plates on their buses, but here with NXWM, we're having Scottish plates.
Quote from: MW on December 02, 2017, 11:59:51 PM
Volvo have a bus and truck dealership here in the Midlands. Coventry is it? Anyway they seem to have Birmingham plates. Even the Volvo/Wright in London have Birmingham plates.
I too don't understand why some operators are still having local plates on their buses, but here with NXWM, we're having Scottish plates.
I think we've covered this before, it is due to the closure of local DVLA offices, so vehicles are now registered according to the place of manufacture/sale. ADL vehicles built in Falkirk have Scottish registrations (S*), ADL vehicles built at Scarborough have Yorkshire registrations (Y*), and likewise while Wright vehicles are built in Northern Ireland they are sold via the Volvo dealership in Warwick, so these will have Birmingham (B*) plates.
At the end of the day though, its just a number plate, and I don't know why people get so upset by trivial little matters like this.
Can anyone advise if these new Platinums will be on the road from tomorrow? And if so, will they be in their natural state, or adorned with vinyls?
Quote from: Mike K on December 03, 2017, 07:50:27 PM
Can anyone advise if these new Platinums will be on the road from tomorrow? And if so, will they be in their natural state, or adorned with vinyls?
I believe Tony did mention that the 24 may potentially get them on Monday.
Quote from: Mike K on December 03, 2017, 07:50:27 PM
Can anyone advise if these new Platinums will be on the road from tomorrow? And if so, will they be in their natural state, or adorned with vinyls?
I wouldn't think they'd be branded yet. These route changes are going to happen soon so I'd imagine they'd get branded after, similar to the Sutton Lines Platinums.
Maybe they'll get part branded. If they bring back a rather vague 'Network Harborne' it'd work.
Are there any reason why nx doesn't order mmcs with the rear facing seats on the upper deck? Just wondering why they didn't when the likes of stagecoach do.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 03, 2017, 08:46:26 PM
Are there any reason why nx doesn't order mmcs with the rear facing seats on the upper deck? Just wondering why they didn't when the likes of stagecoach do.
Because nobody orders them like that apart from stagecoach, and I personally think it looks stupid and is really pointless and only increases the likelihood of people ruining them by putting their feet on them anyway. And stagecoach aren't the best operator to be inspired by with their low height crap.
Quote from: lauren1993 on December 04, 2017, 04:45:18 AM
Because nobody orders them like that apart from stagecoach.....
This isn't correct - Go South South Coast (More Bus) have them on their Salisbury to Bournemouth express service - with tables also. They're very nice. However this is a longer distance express bus - I tend to agree if NXWM are going to use them on shortish urban services like Harborne etc.
Regarding registrations, it seems to me that car dealers can and do register vehicles locally - in days gone by operators of large fleets would register their vehicles themselves - not sure why they still can't although I guess it saves a lot of admin for the company. I quite like the Sx registrations - after all they're built in Great Britain (Scotland) buses anyway.
The worst thing about dealer registrations, and it's nothing new, is that you can't tell the previous operator of a bus by a glance at the reg. In the old days a Birmingham reg was probably WM and before that BCT so if you see a Metrobus with a Birmingham reg you know it's almost certainly a WM bus. Though MCW did register vehicles in Birmingham for other operators.
This article suggests the new Platinum buses will go up to Yorkshire in early 2018 to be "fitted with smart hybrid engines". I'm assuming they won't be receiving entirely new engines. Are they not currently smart hybrids then?
http://www.birminghamupdates.com/national-express-west-midlands-spends-10m-on-platinum-buses-for-routes-through-harborne/
Quote from: Mike K on December 04, 2017, 09:57:56 PM
This article suggests the new Platinum buses will go up to Yorkshire in early 2018 to be "fitted with smart hybrid engines". I'm assuming they won't be receiving entirely new engines. Are they not currently smart hybrids then?
http://www.birminghamupdates.com/national-express-west-midlands-spends-10m-on-platinum-buses-for-routes-through-harborne/
They have been delivered as straight diesels and will go up to Plaxtons for the electric motor bit to be fitted next year
Caught a ride on 6855 & 6857, quite impressed with these new buses. I don't think I can fault much. Guess I'll have to wait and see if the micro-hybrid engine affects how these sound, because at the moment, they're sounding pretty beastly.
No rattles (yet :P), but a tad creaky - but what can you expect from a new vehicle? Above all, I must praise the new charging point placement. Nice to know that there are some buses which won't require me to perform a workout to reach the chargers! lol (for anyone yet to sample these, the new chargers are placed on the back of the aisle-passengers' seat in front.) If I did have to fault anything, my pedantry falls with the moulding for the ticket printer; it doesn't sit flush. A shame, but just one minor detail.
Its also nice to see them without branding / stickers all over the windows, I doubt that will last.....
Quote from: Mike K on December 04, 2017, 09:57:56 PM
This article suggests the new Platinum buses will go up to Yorkshire in early 2018 to be "fitted with smart hybrid engines". I'm assuming they won't be receiving entirely new engines. Are they not currently smart hybrids then?
http://www.birminghamupdates.com/national-express-west-midlands-spends-10m-on-platinum-buses-for-routes-through-harborne/
What road improvements will be made around the QE Hospital and where?
Quote from: Tony on December 04, 2017, 10:04:40 PM
They have been delivered as straight diesels and will go up to Plaxtons for the electric motor bit to be fitted next year
Lack of foresight or was that genuinely the plan? Seems a bit strange to be doing it that way
After having a B5, an Enviro 400, a Trident and a B7RLE the first 2 days of this week I got to sample 6861 and 6859 today, the first NX Platinums I've sampled. Impressive, if a little grey compared to the colourful B5 interiors. For me the most attractive feature is the legroom which puts budget airlines to shame.
One question though - has anyone else got the Wifi to work? I couldn't get it to work on either bus.
Quote from: Mike K on December 06, 2017, 06:12:39 PM
After having a B5, an Enviro 400, a Trident and a B7RLE the first 2 days of this week I got to sample 6861 and 6859 today, the first NX Platinums I've sampled. Impressive, if a little grey compared to the colourful B5 interiors. For me the most attractive feature is the legroom which puts budget airlines to shame.
One question though - has anyone else got the Wifi to work? I couldn't get it to work on either bus.
It works on 6701 - 6710 and 6796 - 6854.
Quote from: 2206 on December 06, 2017, 06:14:23 PM
It works on 6701 - 6710 and 6796 - 6854.
I was thinking more in terms of this brand new batch. Next stop announcements aren't yet switched on, but you can connect to WiFi - it just doesn't work after that. I understand that these have been rushed into service very quickly and not everything may be ready. Just wondering.
Quote from: Mike K on December 06, 2017, 06:20:45 PM
I was thinking more in terms of this brand new batch. Next stop announcements aren't yet switched on, but you can connect to WiFi - it just doesn't work after that. I understand that these have been rushed into service very quickly and not everything may be ready. Just wondering.
The onboard wireless router is working if you can connect, but it has probably not had its internet connection set up yet.
Quote from: Tony on November 27, 2017, 07:23:34 PM
Quote from: CL on November 27, 2017, 06:51:09 PM
Quote from: Stevo on November 27, 2017, 06:07:11 PM
I can't spot any external differences to the previous batch. I expected differences around the engine compartment with the smart hybrid gubbins.
The fuel cap bit is the only noticeable part, for me at least.
On another note, with the introduction of Platinums on the Harborne corridor, I wonder if it'd be the end of the Phil Upton announcements. :P
Yes, they don't have the autocheck things by the fuel filler, so the surrounding silver panel is smaller
May I add; something else I've noticed, but doesn't seem to have been picked up on.
On the nearside of the (67 plate) bus, nearer the rear, there's no "full grille" as you' find on even the last batch (66 plate). Something I noticed when I caught 6857 on its first day in service. You can see what I mean when you compare the photos of 6854 & 6857.
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6854.html
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6857.html
Well spotted. I still don't know if they're 4 or 6 cylinder though 6862 sounded like the earlier E400 mmcs.
Saw 6870 and 6876 in City. Didn't even know these were delivered let alone on the road.
It should be possible to see whether they are 4 or 6 cylinder engines on the manufacturers plate, I haven't managed to travel on one yet. I was a mechanical design engineer fro 25 years, although not in the bus industry, and what puzzles me is that we haven't seen a prototype. This appears to be a completely new concept and I would not have expected to have 38 buses built without one.
Quote from: B.C Driver on December 12, 2017, 10:01:06 PM
Saw 6870 and 6876 in City. Didn't even know these were delivered let alone on the road.
6855-72
6876-6878
6880
had been delivered up to yesterday
6881 and another have just passed me at Aston Uni heading to Central
They seem to be turning them round and getting them out in service fast. 22/23 was nearly all Platinum today, 5503 and a peak working 2124 (which I was lucky enough to travel on) being exceptions. Wifi and next stop announcements aren't currently enabled on any of them yet.
6874 and 6875 inside BC last night along with 6881 which John saw on its way...
6883 inside BC also.
6887 on the 22/23 today, can't be long before they've all been delivered - feels very quick for 38 vehicles.
Quote from: Mike K on December 20, 2017, 08:14:24 AM
6887 on the 22/23 today, can't be long before they've all been delivered - feels very quick for 38 vehicles.
I surmise that's because they are all being delivered as standard diesels so I guess makes a big difference in the building of them
@Mike K
Just 3 left to arrive now
6888; 6891 & 6892 all due tomorrow
A session outside Moor St Station today produced
on the X1 6862/81
X61 6856/72
22 6860/66/71/73/74/83/86
23 6857/64/65/68/80
24 6858/59/61/67/75/78/85/87
with 6855 passing Not in Service
Quote from: broma1k on December 21, 2017, 07:09:28 PM
A session outside Moor St Station today produced
on the X1 6862/81
X61 6856/72
22 6860/66/71/73/74/83/86
23 6857/64/65/68/80
24 6858/59/61/67/75/78/85/87
with 6855 passing Not in Service
6879 was my ride home this evening on the X2 8)
The first thing I noticed was the 'new bus smell'. Half the downstairs lights weren't working. No next-stop announcements yet, but the displays were showing 'Doors open / Doors Closed', which while not really useful, made a change from the scrolling 'Hanover Displays' that the last lot showed when first delivered.
On a positive note, having the USB sockets in the body of the seat is a smart design move, considering how many must have been 'kicked off' when mounted on the frame under the seat.
Quote from: Stu on December 21, 2017, 08:01:50 PM
6879 was my ride home this evening on the X2 8)
The first thing I noticed was the 'new bus smell'. Half the downstairs lights weren't working. No next-stop announcements yet, but the displays were showing 'Doors open / Doors Closed', which while not really useful, made a change from the scrolling 'Hanover Displays' that the last lot showed when first delivered.
On a positive note, having the USB sockets in the body of the seat is a smart design move, considering how many must have been 'kicked off' when mounted on the frame under the seat.
I had my ride on 6878 on the 22 Monday. I do like the new smell, one slight Cristism is with these modern buses ever evolving why are we still revolving round manual ramps for disabled? The extra capacity of the e400 mmc is definitely going to provide useful with the busy loads compared to the B5LH
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 21, 2017, 08:31:10 PM
I had my ride on 6878 on the 22 Monday. I do like the new smell, one slight Cristism is with these modern buses ever evolving why are we still revolving round manual ramps for disabled? The extra capacity of the e400 mmc is definitely going to provide useful with the busy loads compared to the B5LH
5 seats?
With the ramps, for how little they are used, electric ones just add to the weight of the bus reducing fuel consumption and are easily damaged on a front door, hence why London puts them on the middle door
I do like these Voith (I'm assuming they're Voith?) MMCs, they are certainly a step up from the E400s at BC. I caught 6886 on a 22 into town last night, I assume it was running late as it was the first of 4 22/23s within a few minutes of each other - it was certainly lively and had strong acceleration when pushed and didn't seem to change up as early as the mk2 E400s. Will be interesting to see what impact the smart hybrid conversions will have on these.
Quote from: Mike K on December 21, 2017, 09:28:26 PM
I do like these Voith (I'm assuming they're Voith?) MMCs, they are certainly a step up from the E400s at BC. I caught 4886 on a 22 into town last night...
Voith, yes. (AFAIK)
Not too sure about it being 4886, though! ;)
2201-2250 & 6759-6892 are all Voith.
6101-6148 & 6701-6758 are ZF.
Quote from: CL on December 22, 2017, 12:03:44 AM
Voith, yes. (AFAIK) Not too sure about it being 4886, though! ;)
Oops - now corrected!
All 38 now delivered
I notice they're a little heavier than last year's batch. I wonder why.
Which of the.new buses are out today on the harbornes services
Quote from: Solo1 on December 23, 2017, 10:58:20 AM
Which of the.new buses are out today on the harbornes services
Highest I have seen out is 6887, not going to bother listing all t'other ones.
Quote from: Solo1 on December 23, 2017, 10:58:20 AM
Which of the.new buses are out today on the harbornes services
There will be a lot out. 22/23 has been at or close to 100% Platinum for the last few days, the 24 was also majority Platinum yesterday. That in itself would be approaching 25 buses.
Quote from: Mike K on December 23, 2017, 11:09:55 AM
There will be a lot out. 22/23 has been at or close to 100% Platinum for the last few days, the 24 was also majority Platinum yesterday. That in itself would be approaching 25 buses.
Yep, the only non Platinum I have seen today on the 22/23/24 is 4880. Even the 29 has one Platinum on it!
Quote from: Cheese on December 23, 2017, 11:14:18 AMEven the 29 has one Platinum on it!
I'm as surprised as you are! 6866 is quite nippy too!
Just seen another on the way into town, 6882.
One for Tony. When are they likely to start receiving route branding?
I checked the manufacturers plate on 6873 this morning. It showed the engine as the 6.7 litre 6 cylinder.
Sitting in the new central library watching, for the first time, the Harborne platinums travelling back and forth along Broad Street. Delighted to see that, so far, they have escaped the clutches of the 'Vinyl Vandals' employed by NXWM. Not only does it mean that you get to see the vehicles themselves but importantly passengers have a view out of the vehicle! Sadly don't think it will last but you never know.
Quote from: RW on January 04, 2018, 03:06:31 PM
Sitting in the new central library watching, for the first time, the Harborne platinums travelling back and forth along Broad Street. Delighted to see that, so far, they have escaped the clutches of the 'Vinyl Vandals' employed by NXWM. Not only does it mean that you get to see the vehicles themselves but importantly passengers have a view out of the vehicle! Sadly don't think it will last but you never know.
You still get a view out of the window, the only windows the branded buses cover are the rear windows and the top of the upper deck front window, it doesn't effect my view out of the bus.
Quote from: 2206 on January 04, 2018, 03:27:56 PM
You still get a view out of the window, the only windows the branded buses cover are the rear windows and the top of the upper deck rear window, it doesn't effect my view out of the bus.
Granted, but covering the rear windows of the bus does make for a darker and gloomier environment, particularly when you are sat towards the rear. The new ones do feel brghter and airier compared to 6844 and 6850 that I've travelled on in the last few days. No objections to branding, in fact the dark grey of the Platinums needs a splash of colour, but it is more pleasant when windows are left as windows.
Quote from: 2206 on January 04, 2018, 03:27:56 PM
You still get a view out of the window, the only windows the branded buses cover are the rear windows and the top of the upper deck rear window, it doesn't effect my view out of the bus.
I prefe the back window not to be covered. Also it lets more light into the saloon!
Quote from: Jack on January 04, 2018, 05:52:45 PM
I prefe the back window not to be covered. Also it lets more light into the saloon!
Plus you can see what's behind if you need to swop buses on the same road.
My windows are ok
Quote from: RW on January 04, 2018, 03:06:31 PM
Sitting in the new central library watching, for the first time, the Harborne platinums travelling back and forth along Broad Street. Delighted to see that, so far, they have escaped the clutches of the 'Vinyl Vandals' employed by NXWM. Not only does it mean that you get to see the vehicles themselves but importantly passengers have a view out of the vehicle! Sadly don't think it will last but you never know.
It is a refreshing change to be able to see out the back of the new buses....
Agreed. Windows are to see out of, including side windows. Some NXWM vehicles are plastered with opaque signage.
I suspect it's a short term reprieve. Once the outcome of the South West Birmingham consultation is decided, and / or they've been to Plaxtons for their smart hybrid conversions, many will receive Harborne branding and the remainder generic Platinum branding and the rear windows will be no more. I just hope they resist the temptation to apply offside advert frames, which in my view really devalues the premium Platinum brand. Not holding my breath though.
Have some of the new Platinums started to go up to get the hybrid engines fitted?
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 06, 2018, 10:01:05 PM
Have some of the new Platinums started to go up to get the hybrid engines fitted?
6876 is one that's been done i think
Which of the new buses are away having the engine changed to hybrid
Quote from: Trident4590 on January 06, 2018, 10:55:52 PM
6876 is one that's been done i think
No, none of them done, you will know when they do as I think I have the job of taking them, so you will see photos of them in unusual places
Has 6888 been out in service yet
Quote from: Solo1 on January 07, 2018, 01:08:41 PM
is that it's 1st day out
No It was definitely out on the 22/23 both Friday & Saturday, can't be bothered to look any further back
Are there any that are yet to come out?
Not sure if they've yet to enter service but I don't recall having seen 6889 or 6891 yet, I think most or all of the others are in service.
Quote from: Mike K on January 07, 2018, 02:59:49 PM
Not sure if they've yet to enter service but I don't recall having seen 6889 or 6891 yet, I think most or all of the others are in service.
they are both out
Quote from: Solo1 on January 07, 2018, 03:00:52 PM
they are both out
If they're all out how come you still see B7RLEs and regular e400s on the routes? Even older platinums are appearing. Are there not enough to cover all 4 routes?
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 07, 2018, 06:14:54 PM
If they're all out how come you still see B7RLEs and regular e400s on the routes? Even older platinums are appearing. Are there not enough to cover all 4 routes?
The new ones stray onto the X1/2/61 as well, so thats why older ones appear on the Harbornes too
Quote from: John on January 07, 2018, 06:16:06 PM
The new ones stray onto the X1/2/61 as well, so thats why older ones appear on the Harbornes too
That's fair enough but it doesn't explain the need for the others.
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 07, 2018, 06:14:54 PM
If they're all out how come you still see B7RLEs and regular e400s on the routes? Even older platinums are appearing. Are there not enough to cover all 4 routes?
What's the fuss about older Platniums on the Harbornes? It's a Platnium bus on a Platnium route.
Also, I guess you'd have to consider the fact that the newer ones are going up north to implement the Hybrid element
Quote from: Jack on January 07, 2018, 07:59:37 PM
What's the fuss about older Platniums on the Harbornes? It's a Platnium bus on a Platnium route.
There isn't a fuss? I am just asking whether there's enough to cover all of the routes.
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 07, 2018, 11:52:32 PM
There isn't a fuss? I am just asking whether there's enough to cover all of the routes.
I know right, I was out on Saturday evening and there was a B7RLE and 2 E400s (I think) on the 29. Even though it looks like all of them are in service but I guess I should just accept the clichés like this
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 04, 2017, 11:18:34 PM
But surely people should just be happy a bus turns up, right?
from certain members...
No need for sarcy comments like that. I was only asking a question. Why do people get so defensive?
It all depends what buses are available at the time. If a bus is needed for running board 22/06 at say 06:21 and 6828 is at the front of the queue it will be used. if say 6884, 6877, 6864 are blocked in with 3 other buses in front of them, they will be used at a later time. At BC some buses are parked in rows of about 5 deep so they wont expect a driver to have to move 3 or 4 buses just to get his bus out, this would result in buses leaving garage late. At about 07:30 there are few buses left in the garage so its a case of whats left, if it means an E400 on a Harborne then its better than no bus at all.
Quote from: B.C Driver on January 08, 2018, 11:02:45 AM
It all depends what buses are available at the time. If a bus is needed for running board 22/06 at say 06:21 and 6828 is at the front of the queue it will be used. if say 6884, 6877, 6864 are blocked in with 3 other buses in front of them, they will be used at a later time. At BC some buses are parked in rows of about 5 deep so they wont expect a driver to have to move 3 or 4 buses just to get his bus out, this would result in buses leaving garage late. At about 07:30 there are few buses left in the garage so its a case of whats left, if it means an E400 on a Harborne then its better than no bus at all.
Cheers, that explains it well.
Is 38 huses enough though?
Quote from: B.C Driver on January 08, 2018, 11:02:45 AM
It all depends what buses are available at the time. If a bus is needed for running board 22/06 at say 06:21 and 6828 is at the front of the queue it will be used. if say 6884, 6877, 6864 are blocked in with 3 other buses in front of them, they will be used at a later time. At BC some buses are parked in rows of about 5 deep so they wont expect a driver to have to move 3 or 4 buses just to get his bus out, this would result in buses leaving garage late. At about 07:30 there are few buses left in the garage so its a case of whats left, if it means an E400 on a Harborne then its better than no bus at all.
Do they make a map of which bus is where in the garage last thing at night then allocate them as to when the board starts?
Quote from: Stevo on January 09, 2018, 11:24:59 AM
Do they make a map of which bus is where in the garage last thing at night then allocate them as to when the board starts?
Yes
Was thinking, do the new Harborne buses REALLY need to go up North and be converted to Hybrids?
Its a big expense and I'm sure most Harborne passengers would be glad of the extra leg room and Wifi and not so concerned about the hybrid part.
Quote from: B.C Driver on January 09, 2018, 01:41:11 PM
Was thinking, do the new Harborne buses REALLY need to go up North and be converted to Hybrids?
Its a big expense and I'm sure most Harborne passengers would be glad of the extra leg room and Wifi and not so concerned about the hybrid part.
Has the wifi been connected in them yet?
Quote from: Jack on January 09, 2018, 03:40:41 PM
Has the wifi been connected in them yet?
Not sure, but will be soon if not.
Quote from: B.C Driver on January 09, 2018, 01:41:11 PM
Was thinking, do the new Harborne buses REALLY need to go up North and be converted to Hybrids?
Its a big expense and I'm sure most Harborne passengers would be glad of the extra leg room and Wifi and not so concerned about the hybrid part.
More to the point, why weren't they delivered as micro hybrids in the first place?
Quote from: DavieDD2 on January 09, 2018, 04:19:58 PM
More to the point, why weren't they delivered as micro hybrids in the first place?
Because the technology isn't quite ready, that's why there's no other similar in the country. They have been built so it is a simple job to do.
Quote from: Tony on January 09, 2018, 05:00:41 PM
Because the technology isn't quite ready, that's why there's no other similar in the country. They have been built so it is a simple job to do.
No probs Tony, I was just wondering
If the new hybrid is new technology will one be converted first to iron out any problems? I would not think 38 prototypes would be a good idea. Mercedes have just introduced something similar on the Citaro.
Quote from: Jack on January 09, 2018, 03:40:41 PM
Has the wifi been connected in them yet?
No it hasn't
(posted from 6889 using 4G)
Quote from: Mike K on January 12, 2018, 05:58:02 PM
No it hasn't
(posted from 6889 using 4G)
Another reason why no branding yet, cant advertise wifi if there isnt any!
Will the WiFi be applied when they go up for the hybrid conversion then?
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 13, 2018, 06:50:02 PM
Will the WiFi be applied when they go up for the hybrid conversion then?
What about the Next-Stop announcements?
Quote from: Jack on January 13, 2018, 08:58:09 PM
What about the Next-Stop announcements?
Doubt it, given that the South Birmingham Consultation is still on-going.
I wonder if we will get 3306-3327 to complement 3301-5. I think the street decks are awesome and hope they don't become the omnicities of this decade. Then move 6101-22 to YW to make the 2/3 MMC operated.
Apart from the pure electrics coming, what are people expectations for deliveries this year. Enough deckers to see off 41** and the start of the end of ALX400 b7s
Quote from: Chris on January 13, 2018, 10:52:37 PM
Enough deckers to see off 41** and the start of the end of ALX400 b7s
It makes me upset to think that we're basically on the verge of losing the second batch of B7TLs. The clock is ticking for the Gemini's...
Quote from: MW on January 14, 2018, 05:09:54 AM
It makes me upset to think that we're basically on the verge of losing the second batch of B7TLs. The clock is ticking for the Gemini's...
It was a similar feeling when they killed the metros off. I remember when AG received their batch of 53 reg geminis and I fell instantly in love with them and being built on the Volvo B7TL chassis they were very comfortable in my opinion
Quote from: Chris on January 13, 2018, 10:52:37 PM
Apart from the pure electrics coming, what are people expectations for deliveries this year....
If that's still happening...
There was meant to be a batch of electrics for a Dudley route, that idea quietly disappeared
Quote from: Kevin on January 14, 2018, 08:59:12 AM
If that's still happening...
There was meant to be a batch of electrics for a Dudley route, that idea quietly disappeared
Electric singles for the 120 unless that's changed?
Quote from: MW on January 14, 2018, 05:09:54 AM
It makes me upset to think that we're basically on the verge of losing the second batch of B7TLs. The clock is ticking for the Gemini's...
I doubt it, all the Gemini's, bar the 11 Brandeds have had Euro 6 rated traps and I doubt NX want them all off the road, they've recently been a Crimsoned too. The trapped ALX400's are the same.
Quote from: MW on January 14, 2018, 05:09:54 AM
It makes me upset to think that we're basically on the verge of losing the second batch of B7TLs. The clock is ticking for the Gemini's...
I can see my enthusiasm for buses dying a little when the 41**s are all withdrawn
I think there will only be just over 100 buses left up to 4304 when the fleet settles down after the new Harborne Platinums have been retrofitted as hybrids. Presumably this year's intake of buses will remove most of them, leaving up to 4424 to be replaced up to the end of 2019.
Will 2020 see the non-Crimson buses up to 4696 and 7018 depart? Anyway that's a long way ahead.
Another interesting point - there are only another 107 Platinums to go until we reach 6999 - after which point it will be interesting to see what happens - presuming any new intake is Platinum, not Crimson??!!!
Quote from: Kevin on January 14, 2018, 08:59:12 AM
If that's still happening...
There was meant to be a batch of electrics for a Dudley route, that idea quietly disappeared
The 19 x fully electric buses & 22 x fuel cell buses were never due before 2018 even at the time of the announcement. The only one's that haven't materialized are the 10 x Wright HEV96 Gyro-drive buses that were originally due during 2017, however, I vaguely recollect reading that Wrightbus might have shelved or suspended that project?
Quote from: Winston on January 14, 2018, 01:55:56 PM
The 19 x fully electric buses & 22 x fuel cell buses were never due before 2018 even at the time of the announcement. The only one's that haven't materialized are the 10 x Wright HEV96 Gyro-drive buses that were originally due during 2017, however, I vaguely recollect reading that Wrightbus might have shelved or suspended that project?
I seem to recall it was the HEV96 gyro drive technology that has been suspended by the firm developing it - rather than Wrightbus.
Are some if the buses you're referring to the ones for the Warwick Road, with a fuelling facility to be built in an industrial park at Tyseley?
Quote from: don on January 14, 2018, 02:01:44 PM
I seem to recall it was the HEV96 gyro drive technology that has been suspended by the firm developing it - rather than Wrightbus.
Are some if the buses you're referring to the ones for the Warwick Road, with a fuelling facility to be built in an industrial park at Tyseley?
Yes the Hydrogen Fuel Cell Buses are to be be fuelled / based in Tyseley & rumoured / assumed to be for the 37.
Quote from: don on January 14, 2018, 01:54:16 PM
I think there will only be just over 100 buses left up to 4304 when the fleet settles down after the new Harborne Platinums have been retrofitted as hybrids. Presumably this year's intake of buses will remove most of them, leaving up to 4424 to be replaced up to the end of 2019.
Will 2020 see the non-Crimson buses up to 4696 and 7018 depart? Anyway that's a long way ahead.
Another interesting point - there are only another 107 Platinums to go until we reach 6999 - after which point it will be interesting to see what happens - presuming any new intake is Platinum, not Crimson??!!!
If we ever reach 6999 etc - presumably it'll be a new round of numbering, which could mean anything. Or, they leap over 7001-18/19-33 and continue on from there, but there are still a few Dundee buses with 7xxx fleet numbers? They could re-number the whole batch of E400 MMC's, but that sounds rather messy.
Or 3306 onwards (streetdecks)
Quote from: karl724223 on January 14, 2018, 08:50:15 PM
Or 3306 onwards
May as well numbered all the MMC's with 3xxx numbers from the start if they do that. I had thought 5001 onwards might have been used, with a swerve around the Hybrids.
Is nx looking to procure more new buses this year? Any news on the second hand ones mentioned last month?
Quote from: Chris on March 22, 2018, 09:49:41 PM
Is nx looking to procure more new buses this year? Any news on the second hand ones mentioned last month?
Does anyone know if Acocks Green will gain more buses next week when they start the JLR shuttles, and if so what they'll get?
Deleted. (Remembered it was April fools day!) 😳
Quote from: lauren1993 on April 01, 2018, 05:10:47 PM
I've seen a picture of brand new streetdeck 3306. Possibly the first of a larger batch this time?
It looks like a April Fools.
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=79.8640
Quote from: paulb1973 on January 14, 2018, 07:21:21 PM
If we ever reach 6999 etc - presumably it'll be a new round of numbering, which could mean anything. Or, they leap over 7001-18/19-33 and continue on from there, but there are still a few Dundee buses with 7xxx fleet numbers? They could re-number the whole batch of E400 MMC's, but that sounds rather messy.
The ex Dundee single deck Scanias can be renumbered from 1954. Don't know what they'd do about the Volvo double deckers though.....
Depends on how long it takes to get up to 6999, the Dundee Geminis are on 54 plates so there's only 3 or 4 years left in them.
I don't know if this is in another thread, but have the 67 reg Platinums gone back yet to be fitted with the Smart hybrid gubbins? Is this why they're not yet branded?
Quote from: Stevo on April 07, 2018, 10:37:30 AM
I don't know if this is in another thread, but have the 67 reg Platinums gone back yet to be fitted with the Smart hybrid gubbins? Is this why they're not yet branded?
They can't brand them until the South Birmingham bus review is finalised
Quote from: Stevo on April 07, 2018, 10:37:30 AM
I don't know if this is in another thread, but have the 67 reg Platinums gone back yet to be fitted with the Smart hybrid gubbins? Is this why they're not yet branded?
Does the WiFi work on them? They have announcements now
Quote from: Jack on April 07, 2018, 12:56:10 PM
Does the WiFi work on them? They have announcements now
No - still not working at present
I think I saw 6859 and 6860 in service today. Have they been away for conversion yet? I wasn't near enough to hear whether they sounded any different. It is reported in "Buses" that an order for 54 Enviros 400's will be to the new "smart hybrid" version. I assume this is the design we are currently getting.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on April 16, 2018, 07:36:33 PM
I think I saw 6859 and 6860 in service today. Have they been away for conversion yet? I wasn't near enough to hear whether they sounded any different. It is reported in "Buses" that an order for 54 Enviros 400's will be to the new "smart hybrid" version. I assume this is the design we are currently getting.
An NX Group order or just for NXWM? As Dundee are due 10 as well
Quote from: Eric Shaw on April 16, 2018, 07:36:33 PM
I think I saw 6859 and 6860 in service today. Have they been away for conversion yet? I wasn't near enough to hear whether they sounded any different. It is reported in "Buses" that an order for 54 Enviros 400's will be to the new "smart hybrid" version. I assume this is the design we are currently getting.
I don't think they do sound any different from the outside although I noticed a slight change in engine noise under acceleration when travelling on 6855 (although that might just have been my imagination!). As John pointed out, and I hadn't spotted it, you can tell the converted ones by 3 small additional vents above the main ones on the offside rear engine compartment.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on April 16, 2018, 07:36:33 PM
I think I saw 6859 and 6860 in service today. Have they been away for conversion yet? I wasn't near enough to hear whether they sounded any different. It is reported in "Buses" that an order for 54 Enviros 400's will be to the new "smart hybrid" version. I assume this is the design we are currently getting.
I haven't seen Buses yet, but I am not sure where that has come from
Quote from: Tony on April 16, 2018, 08:27:56 PM
I haven't seen Buses yet, but I am not sure where that has come from
My copy came yesterday, and I couldn't find anything mentioned saying that.
It was Stagecoach London who had placed the order. I should have mentioned that.
Have any more of the new platinums gone for their hybrid conversions?
Following on from the comments from Simon Dunn in the Rotala thread(plus Im not sure whether this is the right thread or not!), what is the general opinion of the Nx E200's?
No more appear to be on order, so does that mean Nx are not keen on them, even though the double decker E400's are still being ordered?
Quote from: Westy on May 10, 2018, 08:16:23 PM
Following on from the comments from Simon Dunn in the Rotala thread(plus Im not sure whether this is the right thread or not!), what is the general opinion of the Nx E200's?
No more appear to be on order, so does that mean Nx are not keen on them, even though the double decker E400's are still being ordered?
NX have taken some more, but on lease at Sipson Road garage, why would any be needed in the West Midlands the oldest single decks in the fleet are only 12 years old
Quote from: Tony on May 10, 2018, 08:25:01 PM
NX have taken some more, but on lease at Sipson Road garage, why would any be needed in the West Midlands the oldest single decks in the fleet are only 12 years old
Realistically you shouldn't need to purchase more single deckers for another 3 years at least I imagine? Unless you convert double deck routes to single and expand
Is NX still planning to take on the 2nd hand vehicles in June. Is there going to be a new batch this year? Apart from the platinums confirmed for Dundee?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on May 12, 2018, 03:45:45 PM
Is NX still planning to take on the 2nd hand vehicles in June. Is there going to be a new batch this year? Apart from the platinums confirmed for Dundee?
If those are still coming would they be for the JLR shuttle they're getting from Decoursey at the start of July?
With Dundee having 6687-6700 in the Autumn, can the West Midlands expect 6601-6686?
New Route 23 and 24 branding now out on some of the new platinums.
Quote from: Jack D on July 18, 2018, 08:17:41 PM
New Route 23 and 24 branding now out on some of the new platinums.
Yes, it's been mentioned a few times on the BC thread. I still think they're unfinished. Also, they look a bit rushed as the red strip already there on the Platinums goes over the branding. The 4/4A branding looks very smart though.
I wonder when the X20 and X22 branding will start.
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 18, 2018, 08:38:09 PM
Yes, it's been mentioned a few times on the BC thread. I still think they're unfinished. Also, they look a bit rushed as the red strip already there on the Platinums goes over the branding. The 4/4A branding looks very smart though.
I wonder when the X20 and X22 branding will start.
Any photos? I've been looking everywhere
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 18, 2018, 08:43:23 PM
Any photos? I've been looking everywhere
There's this one from Facebook.
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 18, 2018, 08:43:23 PM
Any photos? I've been looking everywhere
Somebody linked it to the forum in the South Birmingham thread.
(https://ibb.co/f24Xdd)
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 18, 2018, 08:45:32 PM
There's this one from Facebook.
Looks so much better than the 37 branding, I do hope they've put up new interior route maps up, and put and applied new rear window brandings for the ones that are missing them. (2213/19/20/21) etc.
I do wonder if the E200 MMC's at YW will have 6 branding.
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 18, 2018, 08:45:32 PM
There's this one from Facebook.
I agree, that looks very smart. The pink blends in nicely with the crimson livery and the black branding being applied on an area that is black already really looks the part. In my opinion, this branding style suits the MMC200s a lot more than the Scanias and Volvo B7RLEs
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 18, 2018, 08:51:32 PM
I agree, that looks very smart. The pink blends in nicely with the crimson livery and the black branding being applied on an area that is black already really looks the part. In my opinion, this branding style suits the MMC200s a lot more than the Scanias and Volvo B7RLEs
Yeah I agree with that. They look so much nicer.
Quote from: Jack on July 18, 2018, 08:49:21 PM
Looks so much better than the 37 branding, I do hope they've put up new interior route maps up, and put and applied new rear window brandings for the ones that are missing them. (2213/19/20/21) etc.
It's actually the same branding with patches!
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 18, 2018, 08:51:32 PM
I agree, that looks very smart. The pink blends in nicely with the crimson livery and the black branding being applied on an area that is black already really looks the part. In my opinion, this branding style suits the MMC200s a lot more than the Scanias and Volvo B7RLEs
I agree and disagree with you - I agree it looks smart with the black branding being applied alongside the pink. I disagree, the Scania's and B7RLE's look loads better with new branding style.
Popped into the shop looking for an X20/X21/X22 leaflet but couldn't find one. Saw the 6 though and it looks like it might get some purple branding?
Route changes effective today?
Just seen photos of the updated branding on the Hybrids.
Quote from: CL on July 22, 2018, 11:51:05 AM
Route changes effective today?
Just seen photos of the updated branding on the Hybrids.
Do you have a link?
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 22, 2018, 12:04:21 PM
Do you have a link?
I saw it on the mobile_signs_ltd instagram page. It's only of the rear, I'm afraid, but it certainly looks better than the original, in my opinion.
John has posted a link in the Birmingham Central thread
The new 23/24 branding is terrible.
Have to say though the 4/4A branding looks ok
Quote from: Brummie45 on July 23, 2018, 06:30:05 PM
The new 23/24 branding is terrible.
I agree, it just copied the X12 in a worse way. X12 branding doesn't look awful though as opposed to the 23/24 one.
Why do the Hybrids that have had their branding modified still only say 63 on the side but 61/63 on the back?
Quote from: Jack on July 23, 2018, 06:32:31 PM
I agree, it just copied the X12 in a worse way. X12 branding doesn't look awful though as opposed to the 23/24 one.
On a positive note - it doesn't have that awful halo around the destination display and you can still see out of the rear windows. For the moment at least.
I do think the 22/23 branding is incomplete. It does look terrible as it is. Plus I can't get used to the black paint added too
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 23, 2018, 06:42:15 PM
Why do the Hybrids that have had their branding modified still only say 63 on the side but 61/63 on the back?
Maybe they've not been completed yet?
Quote from: Mike K on July 23, 2018, 06:43:42 PM
On a positive note - it doesn't have that awful halo around the destination display and you can still see out of the rear windows. For the moment at least.
Whilst I agree with the back windows I disagree with you onthe halo, imo it makes them look smart, they look unfinished without them!
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 23, 2018, 06:42:15 PM
Why do the Hybrids that have had their branding modified still only say 63 on the side but 61/63 on the back?
5501 has both 61 and 63 on side, saw it today at Frankley
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 23, 2018, 07:22:57 PM
5501 has both 61 and 63 on side, saw it today at Frankley
Ah fair enough. Must just be a work in progress. Nice pic!
Quote from: MasterPlan on July 23, 2018, 07:37:19 PM
Ah fair enough. Must just be a work in progress. Nice pic!
Thanks! Yeh probably still ongoing, saw a few with 61 on back but plenty still with just 63 for now
Quote from: John on July 23, 2018, 06:59:44 PM
I do think the 22/23 branding is incomplete. It does look terrible as it is. Plus I can't get used to the black paint added too
Seconded. Not a fan of the black bits added around the downstairs windows. I think, from what I see in photos, those surrounds only suit the E400 City.
I must say I actually like the black surrounds they have added a bit of class. The Branding itself in my opinion is basic but I'll give them a chance, if it is incomplete then it could be that something is actually destined to go on the black bit by the stairs like a Walsall style route map. Guess work of course.
Quote from: V89MOA on July 24, 2018, 10:13:44 AM
I must say I actually like the black surrounds they have added a bit of class. The Branding itself in my opinion is basic but I'll give them a chance, if it is incomplete then it could be that something is actually destined to go on the black bit by the stairs like a Walsall style route map. Guess work of course.
I agree with you here, the black breaks up all the grey and makes the livery look more classy. Certainly makes thesis batch different from the other 150 in the fleet...
Interesting that the X20,X21,X22 branding that the top stripe just below the upper saloon window is blue (the same as the branding) instead of red like every other example of Platinum branding.
6861, 6867, 6880 and 6884 have been converted to mini hybrid. The extra air vent is on the offside engine cover behind the emergency exit. It took me some time to find this, I was looking elsewhere.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on August 01, 2018, 07:33:47 PM
6861, 6867, 6880 and 6884 have been converted to mini hybrid. The extra air vent is on the offside engine cover behind the emergency exit. It took me some time to find this, I was looking elsewhere.
That takes it up to 7 converted then, 6855/56/68 being amongst the first done
Will 6890-92 not be QE & Uni branded then? BC already have 6825-28, 6835-40, 6850-6857 as spares.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 13, 2018, 06:05:51 PM
Will 6890-92 not be QE & Uni branded then? BC already have 6825-28, 6835-40, 6850-6857 as spares.
Would they all need branding? The current daytime vehicle requirement of the X20/X22 looks to be 11 buses (summer timetable). The PVR is likely to be a couple, maybe 3 buses more at a guess, but unlikely to warrant 13 branded vehicles. There do seem to be quite a few unbranded ones overall though as you say - quite a few ex X61 vehicles, generic or unbranded ones on the 23/24 today.
I wonder if some Platinums will move soon. I've seen them on the 45/47 and 61/63 of late while the supposedly Platinum X12 had a Gemini on there a couple of Sundays ago. I guess if the X10 is being extended, more could be needed there as well.
Quote from: cardew on August 13, 2018, 09:34:33 PM
I wonder if some Platinums will move soon. I've seen them on the 45/47 and 61/63 of late while the supposedly Platinum X12 had a Gemini on there a couple of Sundays ago. I guess if the X10 is being extended, more could be needed there as well.
The X12 is platinum and the majority of the time a platinum will turn up but there tends to be at least 1 Gemini on there everyday at the minute. The case was there are no spares for the X12 -10 platinums for 10 boards. Presumably this is still the case.
At BC there are are also couple of BC platinums on the 60 daily at the miniute. It had 3 on Friday - 6827, 6883 and 6891.
As they are on the 60 daily, they appear to have surplus.
This may change when the Summer School Holiday ends in September and there may be less on there then, though even before the summer timetables were in place one would be found on the 60 on a regular basis.
Quote from: cardew on August 13, 2018, 09:34:33 PM
I wonder if some Platinums will move soon. I've seen them on the 45/47 and 61/63 of late while the supposedly Platinum X12 had a Gemini on there a couple of Sundays ago. I guess if the X10 is being extended, more could be needed there as well.
I suspect the BC ones appearing on non Platinum routes is down to the reduced vehicle requirements due to the summer timetable. If the policy of keeping one type (Voith or ZF) to each garage is maintained then it's unlikey that BC ones would move to AG or PE.
Quote from: Mike K on August 13, 2018, 09:51:35 PM
I suspect the BC ones appearing on non Platinum routes is down to the reduced vehicle requirements due to the summer timetable. If the policy of keeping one type (Voith or ZF) to each garage is maintained then it's unlikey that BC ones would move to AG or PE.
It was said it because of the wheel alloys on the 2015 and 2016/17 platinums being different and requiring different maintenance, nothing to do with them being voith/ZF.
Perry Barr have both voith and ZF Gemini.
Quote from: 2206 on August 13, 2018, 09:59:17 PM
It was said it because of the wheel alloys on the 2015 and 2016/17 platinums being different and requiring different maintenance, nothing to do with them being voith/ZF.
Perry Barr have both voith and ZF Gemini.
I'm aware of the reason - but all of the alloy wheel ones are Voith and the others are all ZF, so it's quicker to type that. A number of garages have also had both ZF and Voith Tridents.
This years new vehicle order now announced as 75 more E400MMC platinums.
Allocations not yet decided
Quote from: Tony on August 17, 2018, 02:50:57 PM
This years new vehicle order now announced as 75 more E400MMC platinums.
Allocations not yet decided
The death-knell for a few of the 4225-4304 batch of Volvo B7TL's I would have thought (and certainly the remaining early batch Tridents).
Quote from: Tony on August 17, 2018, 02:50:57 PM
This years new vehicle order now announced as 75 more E400MMC platinums.
Allocations not yet decided
Reasonable sized order, should remove all Y-reg Tridents & make decent inroads in to the 2001 B7TL/ALX400 fleet.
Does that 75 include Dundee's 14 to Platinum internal spec? Or 75 for NXWM?
Quote from: Winston on August 17, 2018, 02:56:20 PM
Reasonable sized order, should remove all Y-reg Tridents & make decent inroads in to the 2001 B7TL/ALX400 fleet.
Does that 75 include Dundee's 14 to Platinum internal spec? Or 75 for NXWM?
No, the full order is for 89
Quote from: Winston on August 17, 2018, 02:56:20 PM
Reasonable sized order, should remove all Y-reg Tridents & make decent inroads in to the 2001 B7TL/ALX400 fleet.
Does that 75 include Dundee's 14 to Platinum internal spec? Or 75 for NXWM?
I think Tony's "Allocations not yet decided" means NXWM, NXC and Dundee
Quote from: Tony on August 17, 2018, 03:08:20 PM
No, the full order is for 89
Bonus!
Will NXWM's be numbered before Dundee's batch?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 17, 2018, 03:09:00 PM
I think Tony's "Allocations not yet decided" means NXWM, NXC and Dundee
Dundee's allocation has been decided sometime & already made public, initially 10 were due, since increased to 14. Dundee's will be known as 'Emeralds' not Platinum's hence the question.
https://nxbus.co.uk/dundee/news/buses-the-solution-to-pollution
Quote from: Winston on August 17, 2018, 03:31:40 PM
Bonus!
Will NXWM's be numbered before Dundee's batch?
Dundee's allocation has been decided sometime & already made public, initially 10 were due, since increased to 14. Dundee's will be known as 'Emeralds' not Platinum's hence the question.
https://nxbus.co.uk/dundee/news/buses-the-solution-to-pollution
Presumably the x75 NXWM order will be numbered 6893-6967 - unless they are going to 'back fill' the 66xx etc range.
What worries me is that they've ordered them all as Platinum but the allocation is yet to be decided, so routes will be upgraded just because they have Platinum vehicles coming. I do hope it won't devalue the Platinum brand.
Meanwhile the fleetnumbers will likely creep closer to 7000 when there's hundreds of lower numbers available
Quote from: Kevin on August 17, 2018, 04:00:11 PM
What worries me is that they've ordered them all as Platinum but the allocation is yet to be decided, so routes will be upgraded just because they have Platinum vehicles coming. I do hope it won't devalue the Platinum brand.
Meanwhile the fleetnumbers will likely creep closer to 7000 when there's hundreds of lower numbers available
Oh please the platinum brand is already worthless now.
@Trident 4194 I think the platinums have increased patronage as they have the USB and wifi as standard and people use them!
Maybe the 9 and X10 (with its route extension) could get some (or give AG some for the X12 and move the whole 6701-6710 batch to pensnett?
Quote from: Kevin on August 17, 2018, 04:00:11 PM
What worries me is that they've ordered them all as Platinum but the allocation is yet to be decided, so routes will be upgraded just because they have Platinum vehicles coming. I do hope it won't devalue the Platinum brand.
Meanwhile the fleetnumbers will likely creep closer to 7000 when there's hundreds of lower numbers available
They'll have to number the other way presumably; new vehicles carrying lower fleet numbers. Unless the 7xxx series is carried on with a few gaps.
Will the platinums have to be repainted into the new red livery?
Quote from: Eric Shaw on August 17, 2018, 07:15:47 PM
Will the platinums have to be repainted into the new red livery?
I'm sure I read that the Platinum brand will be maintained
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 17, 2018, 03:52:21 PM
Presumably the x75 NXWM order will be numbered 6893-6967 - unless they are going to 'back fill' the 66xx etc range.
I'm not sure I'm ready for the 69** series. Some of my favourite buses of the past are from that range. However, if they're allocated to the 94 that'll be fine. (6901/3/4/32/33/50-59/63 please)
Unless it will be two different shades of the platinum livery in the west midlands bus livery
Quote from: filbus1 on August 17, 2018, 07:27:05 PM
I'm sure I read that the Platinum brand will be maintained
I'll be interested to see what the next route will be that receives non-Platinum spec vehicles. USB and WiFi are pretty much standard fit now on buses outside of London, in much the same way that air-con, Bluetooth etc are standard on cars. Any route now that receives bog standard spec new vehicles will be hard done by.
@Tony are these platinums due around Christmas?
I have it from a good sauce can't say who his initials are HP that 6701/10 are coming to pensnett to join 6711/18 keeping that batch together and make the 126 platinum again with ag getting new plattys
Quote from: karl724223 on August 19, 2018, 01:37:43 AM
I have it from a good sauce can't say who his initials are HP that 6701/10 are coming to pensnett to join 6711/18 keeping that batch together and make the 126 platinum again with ag getting new plattys
As Tony's already confirmed that allocations are undecided unlikely!
There will also be a few months gap between PN taking over the 126 and the new Platinum's arriving.
Quote from: Winston on August 19, 2018, 01:42:51 AM
As Tony's already confirmed that allocations are undecided unlikely!
There will also be a few months gap between PN taking over the 126 and the new Platinum's arriving.
Why does that matter ? The Platinums from the 126 are going onto the X7 and X8
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 19, 2018, 08:22:38 AM
Why does that matter ? The Platinums from the 126 are going onto the X7 and X8
Because the 126 passengers between B'ham & Dudley will be downgraded to Tridents and will lose their hi spec buses with wifi / USB's that they've come to expect.
Quote from: Winston on August 19, 2018, 09:50:02 AM
Because the 126 passengers between B'ham & Dudley will be downgraded to Tridents and will lose their hi spec buses with wifi / USB's that they've come to expect.
Not a first, the X61 passengers were treated to Platinum and then dumped of it.
Quote from: B.C Driver on August 19, 2018, 10:26:32 AM
Not a first, the X61 passengers were treated to Platinum and then dumped of it.
Yes I know, not great to give, then take away. I assume there weren't enough to keep the X61 but at an improve frequency.
It seem's at present that there aren't sufficient Platinum's at some garages to cover everyting i.e.
WA haven't had any spares for since the 936/7 changes, the X51 has since had a frequency increase since then on top.
PN never had a spare for the X10 when they received cascaded Platinum's, the X10 is being extended hourly to Gornal Wood from 2nd Sept requiring more.
Hopefully cascades resulting from 75 new Platinum's will help bolster numbers at certain garages.
I seem to remember the 14 Dundee Emeralds are due in August - I wonder if at least some of the Platinums come earlier?
Is there still the new electric singles or some sort of new single deckers this year as well
Quote from: don on August 19, 2018, 11:05:29 AM
I seem to remember the 14 Dundee Emeralds are due in August - I wonder if at least some of the Platinums come earlier?
I'm not sure it's actually August, I think it's always been towards the end of the year which tally's up with the NXWM batch.
I believe October is more likely.
As for the allocations of the new WM ones, I was involved in a big email chain on Friday about their allocations, but nothing was decided
Quote from: Tony on August 19, 2018, 11:45:10 AM
I believe October is more likely.
As for the allocations of the new WM ones, I was involved in a big email chain on Friday about their allocations, but nothing was decided
Sounds good - I would love to see some in Coventry, perhaps with sky blue swoosh and lining - although this may be unlikely - however there are quite a lot of elderly double deckers there and no new vehicles since the 49xx Enviros.
I take it that all the 89 new bus deliveries (XD/NXWM) will be of the micro hybrid design like the 67 reg Platinum's. But being delivered completed fully this time???
@Tony
@Tony does this 89 MMCs end the 5 year deal with ADL?
What did management think of the Streetdecks?
Love to see evoseti buses on in the west midlands.
50 could possibly be due an upgrade? Certainly in years past it received new vehicles fairly regularly. That could make 6124-6148 available for cascade......
John
Quote from: John Stait on August 20, 2018, 09:53:48 PM
50 could possibly be due an upgrade? Certainly in years past it received new vehicles fairly regularly. That could make 6124-6148 available for cascade......
John
My money's on this. One of NXWM's flagship routes.
Will the new batch of Platinum's be in the current livery or will they emerge in a revised West Midlands Bus Livery?
Quote from: WB Driver on August 21, 2018, 06:31:54 PM
Will the new batch of Platinum's be in the current livery or will they emerge in a revised West Midlands Bus Livery?
The West Midlands Bus livery is a trial at present, isolated to jointly operated routes with Diamond i.e. 42/43 & 31/32 only.
Quote from: John Stait on August 20, 2018, 09:53:48 PM
50 could possibly be due an upgrade? Certainly in years past it received new vehicles fairly regularly. That could make 6124-6148 available for cascade......
John
Possible....
Typically the 50 & 37(4/4a) have had new buses every 4-5 years, if that pattern followed suit, that would make it 2019+ for the 50.
Quote from: Winston on August 21, 2018, 06:37:04 PM
Possible....
Typically the 50 & 37(4/4a) have had new buses every 4-5 years, if that pattern followed suit, that would make it 2019+ for the 50.
What about WA 51 non new buses since 2012.
What happened to these orders?
10 x Wrights HEV96 gyro drive Hybrids
19 x Electric buses
22 x Fuel Cell in 2018.
Quote from: Wolves256 on August 22, 2018, 08:56:26 AM
What happened to these orders?
10 x Wrights HEV96 gyro drive Hybrids
19 x Electric buses
22 x Fuel Cell in 2018.
I think the Wrights HEV96 gyro drive project got shelved, the others I understand are still due, but deliveries may now be 2019 onwards
My prediction would be that routes to get platinum would be:
50 (25); CV 11/12 (15); 126 & PN 9 (28), X21/X70 (7)
Then 4763-76 can be displaced for PB (907/952) as spare platinums can then be used for those routes on Sun. The 48 MMC's can be shared between WA(51) 14, PB(33) 14, AG(5) 8 & YW(2/3) 12. Then Gemini can be moved PB-AG to free ALX400, Then 16 (4843-58) can go to Coventry to replace Tridents with 12 to WB to replace ALX400. Well that's what i'd do anyway.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on August 22, 2018, 10:12:35 AM
My prediction would be that routes to get platinum would be:
50 (25); CV 11/12 (15); 126 & PN 9 (28), X21/X70 (7)
Then 4763-76 can be displaced for PB (907/952) as spare platinums can then be used for those routes on Sun. The 48 MMC's can be shared between WA(51) 14, PB(33) 14, AG(5) 8 & YW(2/3) 12. Then Gemini can be moved PB-AG to free ALX400, Then 16 (4843-58) can go to Coventry to replace Tridents with 12 to WB to replace ALX400. Well that's what i'd do anyway.
Why does the 952 need deckers,
@John has said the Omnilinks on there are empty during the day?
Can't see that happening, as you'd then have the 2 types of MMC with different wheel axels (which NX keep at separate garages), at, PN, YW and PB.
As well as introducing a new elderly type at WB (Tridents) which the garage have never previously operated.
I don't think 8 MMC would be enough for the AG 5 either - the 5 and 73 interwork so if you put E400 MMC on the 5, you'd have to put them on the 73 as well.
and what about the 97 last time it had new buses was 2000
Quote from: cris 99 on August 22, 2018, 10:25:31 AM
and what about the 97 last time it had new buses was 2000
The last time the 97 had new buses was new Omnilinks in 2007, they were taken of the 97 in 2010 and replaced with ex 94 2003 Tridents.
Not particularly unusual though:
The last time the 11 had new buses was in 2004 and some of the buses on it at the minute are older than those new for the route in 2004 (2001 B7TL ALX400).
I meant the remaining 12 of the Enviro batch (4858-70). Although AG & WA wouldn't be an issue you'd then have an issue with PN & PB. However I believe that it's going to be difficult especially with more deliveries every year to keep them separate. But if that issue can be rectified then that's what I'd do.
my apolgies i totally forgot about the scanias lol as they werent really on there for very long :D :D
The Platinum allocations suggested look about right to me.
However there are the planned hybrids for whatever route number has replaced 37, to Solihull - presumably will replace the elderly ALX at AG.
I don't see why 4763-4776 would leave CV - presumably could cascade within CV to replace Tridents.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on August 22, 2018, 10:36:17 AM
I meant the remaining 12 of the Enviro batch (4858-70). Although AG & WA wouldn't be an issue you'd then have an issue with PN & PB. However I believe that it's going to be difficult especially with more deliveries every year to keep them separate. But if that issue can be rectified then that's what I'd do.
Though the WA E400 currently on the 51 are currently being repainted into Crimson, I can't see them moving to Coventry antime soon either, requiring another repaint into Coventry blue.
Also I can't see what you'd replace all those Gemini you'd move to AG with at PB.
Quote from: don on August 22, 2018, 10:58:13 AM
The Platinum allocations suggested look about right to me.
However there are the planned hybrids for whatever route number has replaced 37, to Solihull - presumably will replace the elderly ALX at AG.
I don't see why 4763-4776 would leave CV - presumably could cascade within CV to replace Tridents.
If you mean the hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, nobody has ever actually confirmed what route they are for - the only thing that was said is that there will be a refuelling centre on the 37 route in Tyesley.
They won't be coming this year either.
If they are for the 37 they'd only displace single decker E200 MMC as well, at least some of the current B7TL ALX400 will need to be displaced by deckers, as some of them are used on the 11 (unless you were to potentialy covert another route to single decker operation to free up Gemini).
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on August 22, 2018, 10:12:35 AM
My prediction would be that routes to get platinum would be:
X21/X70 (7)
7? The X21 would need 7 on its own?
Quote from: 2206 on August 22, 2018, 11:10:10 AM
If you mean the hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, nobody has ever actually confirmed what route they are for - the only thing that was said is that there will be a refuelling centre on the 37 route in Tyesley.
They won't be coming this year either.
If they are for the 37 they'd only displace single decker E200 MMC as well, at least some of the current B7TL ALX400 will need to be displaced by deckers, as some of them are used on the 11.
I would have thought Warwick Road/Stratford Road corridor - however could TfWM end up leasing them to an operator, given the way they seem to be headed currently?
Noted regarding the 11 - however was AGs allocation of ALX increased recently, trap converted to allow running into the City. The 11 would appear to be a superb candidate for hybrid buses given its nature and traffic congestion (I'm not holding my breath though)!!
Quote from: don on August 22, 2018, 11:20:20 AM
Noted regarding the 11 - however was AGs allocation of ALX increased recently, trap converted to allow running into the City. The 11 would appear to be a superb candidate for hybrid buses given its nature and traffic congestion (I'm not holding my breath though)!!
4276 - 4291 as they have traps so can go into the City Centre and Solihull, so are generally found on the 5/73 (with a few exceptions - eg today 4291 is on the 11C and 4289 on the 4).
The others aren't trapped ( 4225, 4228 - 4229, 4234, 4242, 4250, 4266, 4292 - 4301, 4303 and 4304) are usually found on the 11 alongside Gemini and the 1/A as well as they don't have traps so can't go into the City Centre.
There is no 37 anymore - if anything they'd be used on the 4 and 4A. Which seems to have more Geminis on it than E200MMC's.
Quote from: Jack on August 22, 2018, 11:33:05 AM
There is no 37 anymore - if anything they'd be used on the 4 and 4A. Which seems to have more Geminis on it than E200MMC's.
Yes that's what I meant - I'm afraid I'm completely out of touch with all of this wholesale renumbering going on so couldn't remember the new number..... the ones I really can remember are WA 31/32, basically reverting to 1960s Walsall Corporation numbering. I'm afraid this wholesale renumbering is completely bonkers in my view - I'm sure it looks very tidy on a map but that only matters if you're an official with OCD - in the real world outside of transport planning and transport operation it's simply barmy!!
Regarding the AG trapped ALX buses, that's around half of them - could replace the less environmentally friendly ones on the 11 and 1 if cascaded out in the short term. However having nice comfy buses with extra legroom and wifi on the Outer Circle (currently 11A and 11C....) would certainly help to sooth passenger nerves created by traffic delays ;)
Sorry forgot about the repaints. So I'd leave 4763-76 at CV and instead send 4843-70 to either PB for the 65/67 and spares for the 7. Or split them between PE & WB for the 12/A and the 13/A/B.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on August 22, 2018, 01:45:08 PM
Sorry forgot about the repaints. So I'd leave 4763-76 at CV and instead send 4843-70 to either PB for the 65/67 and spares for the 7. Or split them between PE & WB for the 12/A and the 13/A/B.
How do you send buses to Perry Parr that are already there
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on August 22, 2018, 01:45:08 PM
Sorry forgot about the repaints. So I'd leave 4763-76 at CV and instead send 4843-70 to either PB for the 65/67 and spares for the 7. Or split them between PE & WB for the 12/A and the 13/A/B.
I still think we should get 4733-7 back as spares for the 7/16/101. I also think a couple of the 16 branded buses should get de-branded
Quote from: John on August 22, 2018, 02:45:08 PM
I still think we should get 4733-7 back as spares for the 7/16/101. I also think a couple of the 16 branded buses should get de-branded
Can't forget the 33 there. 4856 should come back as a spare for the E400 routes.
PERSONAL OPINION-I'd put some of the impending arrivals on the 11/12 at Coventry. Also the 51 at Walsall. We'll see who is right once they've arrived.
Quote from: don on August 22, 2018, 11:20:20 AM
I would have thought Warwick Road/Stratford Road corridor - however could TfWM end up leasing them to an operator, given the way they seem to be headed currently?
Noted regarding the 11 - however was AGs allocation of ALX increased recently, trap converted to allow running into the City. The 11 would appear to be a superb candidate for hybrid buses given its nature and traffic congestion (I'm not holding my breath though)!!
The hydrogen fuelled buses will be owned by Birmingham City Council, and leased to the operator. I don't recall seeing anything about who the confirmed operator will be, now which route they will appear on, people are just assuming it will be NX Bus, which it is probably likely to be to be honest.
This Birmingham Mail also said they are expected to be in service by March 2019, although it was originally claimed it would be sometime in 2018.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/new-fleet-500000-zero-emission-13800364
They will of course have to finish building this new Tyseley Energy Park, which is to be on the site of the Webster & Horsfall building and next to the Tyseley incinerator. Last time I went past there on the X1/X2 a few weeks ago, Webster & Horsfall was still very much there, and the site next to the incinerator was mostly cleared but still a pile of rubble. I think parties involved will need to get their skates on if there's any hope of a March 2019 launch!
@Tony has the allocation for the new platinums been decided?
Had my first view of the new WM Bus livery in Walsall Bus Station during the week. Was somewhat underwhelmed. It was an NX vehicle and it wasn't obvious that it was in the 'new' livery until it was virtually at the stand stop. Didn't stand out from the various existing (red) NX liveries at all. To compare it to the introduction of the new liveries on WM trams and trains is unfair but in those cases you can't miss the new branding and livery given that it is so different to their current liveries. As for buses, other than the co-ordination of different operators services and WMB branding (even then it was still NX on the front of the vehicle, the 'new' livery hardly seems worth the effort and cost from an NXWM point of view!
I agree totally. Talking to a bus enthusiast in West Brom even he didn't realise the criss-cross logo is a stylised WM, and I'm still amazed TfWM chose what is in effect NXWM livery. Perhaps NXWM refused any other colours and with that company's complete dominance of the area TfWM could hardly argue.
Not many people are aware of the stylised WM Stevo. Ironically it's not helped, at least in the case of the Walsall routes, by NXWM's speciality. Vinyl. Used above the window line on the single deckers.
Couldnt the 'Buses' part of the fleetname be highlighted in some way?
According to the main site NXWM have gain a 66 plate Mercedes for training does this mean there are also some minibuses on the way on top of the 89 platinums (14 Emeralds) has the new electric bus that XD have, does it have a fleet number
There's no fleet number for the Wright StreetAir at Dundee, tbh, I doubt the service will last long enough to warrant giving it one, the bus is only on lease so it will be easy enough to return.
Quote from: DavieDD2 on September 17, 2018, 12:16:40 AM
There's no fleet number for the Wright StreetAir at Dundee, tbh, I doubt the service will last long enough to warrant giving it one, the bus is only on lease so it will be easy enough to return.
The current Streetair is a demo branded up in vinyl in the interim, a brand new electric bus is due later this year to replace it.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on September 17, 2018, 12:06:03 AM
According to the main site NXWM have gain a 66 plate Mercedes for training does this mean there are also some minibuses on the way on top of the 89 platinums (14 Emeralds) has the new electric bus that XD have, does it have a fleet number
No, It is on loan for driving assessments which can only be done in small buses
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on September 17, 2018, 12:06:03 AM
According to the main site NXWM have gain a 66 plate Mercedes for training does this mean there are also some minibuses on the way on top of the 89 platinums (14 Emeralds) has the new electric bus that XD have, does it have a fleet number
The electric bus isn't new, it's Wright's trial vehicle and has been with Arriva Milton Keynes for a good while now.
Quote from: Tony on September 17, 2018, 08:09:14 AM
No, It is on loan for driving assessments which can only be done in small buses
I went through at the wrong time then. I had the Iveco, horrible van to drive!
X7 and X8 starting to receive purple branding.
Quote from: Dom on September 23, 2018, 11:14:21 AM
X7 and X8 starting to receive purple branding.
Not the back windows please !
Just seen 6778 on the X8. Branding looks smart, similar to Harborne services, but bit plain however.
Quote from: Dom on September 24, 2018, 06:04:22 AM
Just seen 6778 on the X8. Branding looks smart, similar to Harborne services, but bit plain however.
I see that these have also gained the black lower deck window / stair area applications. Very much in the style of the Harborne and QE branding, with a blend of bits of the old, promoting Platinum features (USB etc). No front or rear window branding either (yet) other than parts of the previous branding that remains.
Starting to wonder whether the windows will stay as windows - the fact that 3 sets of routes are now like this, and the 23/24 ones have been done a while now gives me hope.
Has the allocations for this years platinums been decided.
I'm still placing my bets on the 50 and perhaps the 9
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on October 01, 2018, 07:52:37 PM
Has the allocations for this years platinums been decided.
I'm still placing my bets on the 50 and perhaps the 9
you might be loosing money on brand new buses on the 9 then
Can anyone explain how the TfWM branding is going to 'work'? About half a dozen vehicles painted by NXWM and Diamond into 'West Midlands Bus' livery. With NXWM continuing to paint their vehicles into the crimson livery the 'one network' initiative simply seems to have introduced yet another livery onto the roads of the West Midlands, surely a step back from 'one' anything? On the face of it a lot of fuss about very little!
Quote from: RW on October 02, 2018, 09:34:01 AM
Can anyone explain how the TfWM branding is going to 'work'? About half a dozen vehicles painted by NXWM and Diamond into 'West Midlands Bus' livery. With NXWM continuing to paint their vehicles into the crimson livery the 'one network' initiative simply seems to have introduced yet another livery onto the roads of the West Midlands, surely a step back from 'one' anything? On the face of it a lot of fuss about very little!
At Walsall I'm sure it was stated 2124-2132 will be painted WM bus for 31/32 9 buses for 9 daytime boards.
1 PM peak board is trident operated.
Not sure how many buses are diamond but majority are wm bus liveried.
2112-2119 have WM bus logos but don't think these are being repainted into wm bus livery probably just a back up spares.
I've seen wm bus liveried 2125/2132 being used on a 10 pm peak board off route so far and 2130 recently had a day on the 7
Well, according to one of the Diamond threads, they're introducing yet another livery.
How many more do they want?
Quote from: Westy on October 02, 2018, 04:30:07 PM
Well, according to one of the Diamond threads, they're introducing yet another livery.
How many more do they want?
Most of the livery variations at Rotala is as a result of acquired businesses or group cascades. The standard Diamond Bus livery has been around sometime & the latest version will be a refreshed version predominantly for new deliveries......
There's no point re-painting any more of the remaining Darts / early E200's with 27 new buses due, until they know exactly what is being kept/withdrawn.
Quote from: PB2938 on October 02, 2018, 10:45:47 AM
At Walsall I'm sure it was stated 2124-2132 will be painted WM bus for 31/32 9 buses for 9 daytime boards.
1 PM peak board is trident operated.
Not sure how many buses are diamond but majority are wm bus liveried.
2112-2119 have WM bus logos but don't think these are being repainted into wm bus livery probably just a back up spares.
If 2112 to 2119 are still red & white currently, albeit with WMB fleetnames, would I be correct in thinking they would gain WMB livery, when it comes to their turn to be repainted?
(I suppose there's a good chance Walsall would get a second joint route in the future?)
Quote from: Westy on October 02, 2018, 08:54:44 PM
If 2112 to 2119 are still red & white currently, albeit with WMB fleetnames, would I be correct in thinking they would gain WMB livery, when it comes to their turn to be repainted?
(I suppose there's a good chance Walsall would get a second joint route in the future?)
There probably will be with both companies running on some routes already like the 29 and 36 and the 41 so probably a very high chance
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on October 02, 2018, 09:00:38 PM
There probably will be with both companies running on some routes already like the 29 and 36 and the 41 so probably a very high chance
Would it include routes like that, or is it just for routes like the current ones where the operators are competing with each other, those routes are operated by one operator, but operated by another on Sundays (Tendered trips), the buses used on there will for most of the week would be used elsewhere on other tendered routes as well?
Quote from: 2206 on October 02, 2018, 09:34:53 PM
Would it include routes like that, or is it just for routes like the current ones where the operators are competing with each other, those routes are operated by one operator, but operated by another on Sundays (Tendered trips), the buses used on there will for most of the week be used elsewhere on other tendered routes as well?
No I wouldn't think so
Quote from: Westy on October 02, 2018, 08:54:44 PM
If 2112 to 2119 are still red & white currently, albeit with WMB fleetnames, would I be correct in thinking they would gain WMB livery, when it comes to their turn to be repainted?
(I suppose there's a good chance Walsall would get a second joint route in the future?)
2112-9 /33 are for the 10 so I assume will be crimson
Quote from: RW on October 02, 2018, 09:34:01 AM
Can anyone explain how the TfWM branding is going to 'work'? About half a dozen vehicles painted by NXWM and Diamond into 'West Midlands Bus' livery. With NXWM continuing to paint their vehicles into the crimson livery the 'one network' initiative simply seems to have introduced yet another livery onto the roads of the West Midlands, surely a step back from 'one' anything? On the face of it a lot of fuss about very little!
Interesting that so far no one has offered a response to my question which basically is what is the future for the 'West Midlands Bus' livery and branding? Is it going to become the new livery, for NXWM and other operators in the West Midlands or, as seems to be the case at the present time, will they continue with 'crimson' in the case of NXWM. If the latter it begs the question 'why bother?'. What's the point?
Quote from: RW on October 03, 2018, 07:54:59 AM
Interesting that so far no one has offered a response to my question which basically is what is the future for the 'West Midlands Bus' livery and branding? Is it going to become the new livery, for NXWM and other operators in the West Midlands or, as seems to be the case at the present time, will they continue with 'crimson' in the case of NXWM. If the latter it begs the question 'why bother?'. What's the point?
It's for routes where the operators are competing with each other.
Instead of competing, the operators are working together by running at a joint frequency and accepting each other's tickets.
It is initially being trialled on the 42/43/43A and 31/32 routes because both operators were willing to put the same resources into the route, resulting in PVR saving for both operators.
Quote from: BU07 LGO on October 03, 2018, 12:39:18 AM
2112-9 /33 are for the 10 so I assume will be crimson
When 2112-2119 came to Walsall they lived on the 29. Hopefully gaining wm bus logos that's where they'll go back to joint with diamond
Quote from: RW on October 03, 2018, 07:54:59 AM
Interesting that so far no one has offered a response to my question which basically is what is the future for the 'West Midlands Bus' livery and branding? Is it going to become the new livery, for NXWM and other operators in the West Midlands or, as seems to be the case at the present time, will they continue with 'crimson' in the case of NXWM. If the latter it begs the question 'why bother?'. What's the point?
In the long-term, the aim is to have all buses operating within the West Midlands in the same livery and branding. This obviously isn't going to happen overnight, and I believe the 31/32 and 42/43 partnerships are just the first of many, though I am presuming at this stage these are very much in a 'trial period' to see how things work out for both operators.
I believe it has been commented on elsewhere here that at the moment bus operators are being asked to consider repainting their buses into this livery, but at present there are no firm obligations for operators to do so. Presumably again this is a discussion to be had amongst the members of the West Midlands Bus Alliance and for them to agree to formally with TfWM.
So in the short-term, until some agreement gets formalised, it will just be 'business as usual' for operators regarding their own livery designs.
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/news/a-brand-for-the-west-midlands-tfwm-reveals-new-public-transport-identity/
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/news/first-new-west-midlands-transport-branded-buses-in-operation/
Quote from: Stu on October 03, 2018, 06:55:02 PM
In the long-term, the aim is to have all buses operating within the West Midlands in the same livery and branding. This obviously isn't going to happen overnight, and I believe the 31/32 and 42/43 partnerships are just the first of many, though I am presuming at this stage these are very much in a 'trial period' to see how things work out for both operators.
I believe it has been commented on elsewhere here that at the moment bus operators are being asked to consider repainting their buses into this livery, but at present there are no firm obligations for operators to do so. Presumably again this is a discussion to be had amongst the members of the West Midlands Bus Alliance and for them to agree to formally with TfWM.
So in the short-term, until some agreement gets formalised, it will just be 'business as usual' for operators regarding their own livery designs.
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/news/a-brand-for-the-west-midlands-tfwm-reveals-new-public-transport-identity/
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/news/first-new-west-midlands-transport-branded-buses-in-operation/
Do TfWM have similar powers to TfL in that they can require all operators to use a common livery scheme, or is that not the case? If they're really serious about this, I'd have thought they'd set a date a year or two into the future to require it, and also require it on any new buses, for example.
Quote from: StourValley98 on October 03, 2018, 07:05:49 PM
I'd have thought they'd set a date a year or two into the future to require it,
You need a lot longer than that. Even in London there are vehicles not in the current allover red livery which has been in force for nearly 10 years
Is there news on the electric buses due this year? I would have expected some of the necessary infrastructure involved would be evident by now.
Quote from: StourValley98 on October 03, 2018, 07:05:49 PM
Do TfWM have similar powers to TfL in that they can require all operators to use a common livery scheme, or is that not the case? If they're really serious about this, I'd have thought they'd set a date a year or two into the future to require it, and also require it on any new buses, for example.
Tony probably knows more on this than I do, but with regard to 'powers', TfWM is completely different to TfL.
TfL manage the bus services in London and they are all operated under tendered franchises by various operators, whereas in the West Midlands, the vast majority of bus services are run as commercial operations by the operators themselves.
So TfL is able to specify certain requirements to operators looking to bid for tenders, such as vehicle types, livery design, emission specs etc. I may be wrong on this, but TfL might even own the buses and lease them to the operators, I'm not sure on that one.
The Bus Services Act certainly grants the Mayor of a Combined Authority the powers to set up a similar franchising system to TfL, however I am of the belief that this will not happen any time soon here in the West Midlands, due to the commercial nature of the majority of the bus network, and TfWM would prefer to simply 'partner' with local operators to keep costs down.
Quote from: PB2938 on October 03, 2018, 09:10:59 AM
When 2112-2119 came to Walsall they lived on the 29. Hopefully gaining wm bus logos that's where they'll go back to joint with diamond
Who said the 29 will be another jointly operated route?
Quote from: Jack on October 03, 2018, 09:03:32 PM
Who said the 29 will be another jointly operated route?
It could be a candidate
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on October 03, 2018, 09:08:16 PM
It could be a candidate
If I was a betting man, I'd stake my money on the Wa 4 group!
Quote from: Westy on October 03, 2018, 09:35:51 PM
If I was a betting man, I'd stake my money on the Wa 4 group!
I'd say the 40 would be a candidate too.
Quote from: Westy on October 03, 2018, 09:35:51 PM
If I was a betting man, I'd stake my money on the Wa 4 group!
Could be possible last new buses was scanias 1848-1862 1878-1882 back in 2009 which have been branded 3 times.
Quote from: Jack on October 03, 2018, 09:53:19 PM
I'd say the 40 would be a candidate too.
I'm sure someone mentioned that the 40 was next, although that was just a rumour.
Quote from: Stu on October 03, 2018, 08:38:42 PM
So TfL is able to specify certain requirements to operators looking to bid for tenders, such as vehicle types, livery design, emission specs etc. I may be wrong on this, but TfL might even own the buses and lease them to the operators, I'm not sure on that one.
TfL only own the LTs & maybe the WSHs (on the RV1), the rest are owned or leased by the operators. One of the reasons that Leon Daniels ex TfL Director of Surface Transport gave (at a LOTS meeting) for introducing the LTs / Borismasters / New Bus for London / New Routemaster or whatever they are called; is that as they were owned by TfL, then the contract for those routes would be cheaper as TfL would not be paying the operators for finance for leasing or purchase of new buses, TfL could get a better rate for 1000 buses rather than an operator needing say 20 buses this month and then another operator needing say 21 the next week.
Quote from: StourValley98 on October 03, 2018, 10:25:37 PM
I'm sure someone mentioned that the 40 was next, although that was just a rumour.
@Ginger66 mentioned it in West Midlands bus thread
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on October 03, 2018, 10:54:38 PM
@Ginger66 mentioned it in West Midlands bus thread
How i heard it was a diamond driver saying they will be accepting nx tickets in the 40 this month.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on October 01, 2018, 07:52:37 PM
Has the allocations for this years platinums been decided.
I'm still placing my bets on the 50 and perhaps the 9
I've heard rumours that the 50 will go Platinum and 6125-6148 going to AG for the Outer Circle
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 07, 2018, 09:09:42 AM
I've heard rumours that the 50 will go Platinum and 6125-6148 going to AG for the Outer Circle
It'd be good if that was true and they'd be a big upgrade over some of the elderly vehicles on the major route at the minute, but 24 wouldn't be enough to completely upgrade the 11 ( I thought the PVR was in the 40's.)
Unless the 9 also went platinum and 6101 - 24 were to join them on the 11?
There were 35 Gemini branded for the 11 and that wasn't enough to completly operate the 11, pleanty of B7TL ALX400 and Crimson Gemini appeared on there alongside the Branded Gemini.
They could replace any non compliant B7TL ALX at AG?
I would have thought Coventry would have some new vehicles to replace their remaining Y Reg Tridents.
The other vehicles likely to be replaced are non emission compliant Tridents and B7TL ALX (WB; PN; WA; WN), suggesting either new buses at any of those, or cascades required. Would the converted Tridents and B7TL ALX become reserve vehicles (usable in the emission controlled areas?)
I recall Tony said the new Dundee vehicles are due around October - not sure about the West Midlands ones...
Quote from: don on October 07, 2018, 02:58:31 PM
They could replace any non compliant B7TL ALX at AG?
I would have thought Coventry would have some new vehicles to replace their remaining Y Reg Tridents.
The other vehicles likely to be replaced are non emission compliant Tridents and B7TL ALX (WB; PN; WA; WN), suggesting either new buses at any of those, or cascades required. Would the converted Tridents and B7TL ALX become reserve vehicles (usable in the emission controlled areas?)
I recall Tony said the new Dundee vehicles are due around October - not sure about the West Midlands ones...
Soneone did say on the Dundee forum that there MMC will arrive in November.
Quote from: Jim C on September 27, 2018, 12:28:37 PM
November ,I,ve been told .
Quote from: 2206 on October 07, 2018, 04:24:43 PM
Soneone did say on the Dundee forum that there MMC will arrive in November.
It is likely deliveries for both Dundee and the West Midlands will start in November.
I have another meeting tomorrow over allocations. Still not decided yet.
Quote from: Tony on October 07, 2018, 05:13:10 PM
It is likely deliveries for both Dundee and the West Midlands will start in November.
I have another meeting tomorrow over allocations. Still not decided yet.
Thanks Tony.
Quote from: Tony on October 07, 2018, 05:13:10 PM
It is likely deliveries for both Dundee and the West Midlands will start in November.
I have another meeting tomorrow over allocations. Still not decided yet.
Will the Dundee "Emeralds" be in the Platinum series of fleet numbers or will they have a series of there own ?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 07, 2018, 05:56:34 PM
Will the Dundee "Emeralds" be in the Platinum series of fleet numbers or will they have a series of there own ?
6687 - 6700.
History repeats itself with late 66**'s arriving with 69**'s
Quote from: Gareth on October 08, 2018, 10:44:12 AM
History repeats itself with late 66**'s arriving with 69**'s
Yeah 6661-90 PR bodied Fleetlines, gonna be like the old days
@Gareth
Bit off topic but was on 6888 on 70 afternoon journey and why is the back window covered
Quote from: Gareth on October 08, 2018, 10:44:12 AM
History repeats itself with late 66**'s arriving with 69**'s
I'm betting NXWM are hoping they don't take as long as PR did with the 66xx buses. All of the 69xx were in service (the last few early Jan 79) before 6661 and co appeared. 6571-6690 took four years worth of registration letters to be delivered!! And three batches at WH.
Quote from: Hammad on October 12, 2018, 10:53:26 PM
Bit off topic but was on 6888 on 70 afternoon journey and why is the back window covered
Maybe getting the rest of the branding applied, which is good.
Quote from: Jack on October 13, 2018, 08:48:10 AM
Maybe getting the rest of the branding applied, which is good.
The lower back window on 6888 has been masked off since it was delivered new so nothing to do with additional branding being applied.
Quote from: Mike K on October 13, 2018, 08:50:07 AM
The lower back window on 6888 has been masked off since it was delivered new so nothing to do with additional branding being applied.
do you have any idea why because I hate seeing no back window and really makes the interior dull
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/west-midlands-bus-network-review-s.129378/page-4
New platinum, 2018 allocations.
Its been said:
- There will be 50 new platinums for Pensnett, for routes, 9, 126 and X10.
- There will be 25 new platinums to Yardley Wood for the 50.
- 6101 to 6148 will transfer to Acocks Green for the 11A and 11C (Outer Circle). Meaning some of the Gemini will be leaving AG.
- The 14 (Birmingham to Chelmsley Wood via Alum Rock), will be converted to Single Decker operation until Autumn 2020.
Does anyone know if that's all correct? And what will be the cause meaning the 14 will be operated by Single Decks during that time?
50 x Platinum's for just the 9, X10 & 126 seems a little on the high side. Could the 6 also be included?
Whilst posting, what happened to this new demand responsive service? I would have expected some new Sprinters to be on order for that.
I would guess that some of the Gemini's will move to cover withdrawals of y reg Tridents and ALX 400's
Also if the X10 is getting new Platinum's are the ones currently on there staying at PN or moving elsewhere.
Quote from: WB Driver on October 14, 2018, 10:55:56 PM
I would guess that some of the Gemini's will move to cover withdrawals of y reg Tridents and ALX 400's
Also if the X10 is getting new Platinum's are the ones currently on there staying at PN or moving elsewhere.
As PN already has the youngest average age, any new intake for the X10 would no doubt see older Platinum's moved elsewhere.
I'd have guessed 40-42 would cover the 9, X10 & 126 + a few spares, 50 seems generous.
If this is all true, I welcome 6101 - 6148 coming to AG as I regularly use the 11 :D
Quite surprised about the 14 however, the route is awfully busy at times so I can't imagine how singles would cope.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 15, 2018, 01:01:58 AM
If this is all true, I welcome 6101 - 6148 coming to AG as I regularly use the 11 :D
Quite surprised about the 14 however, the route is awfully busy at times so I can't imagine how singles would cope.
Anti social behaviour the reason for the use of single deckers?
I presume the streetdecks might go elsewhere unfortunately
Quote from: 2206 on October 14, 2018, 10:35:45 PM
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/west-midlands-bus-network-review-s.129378/page-4
New platinum, 2018 allocations.
Its been said:
- There will be 50 new platinums for Pensnett, for routes, 9, 126 and X10.
- There will be 25 new platinums to Yardley Wood for the 50.
- 6101 to 6148 will transfer to Acocks Green for the 11A and 11C (Outer Circle). Meaning some of the Gemini will be leaving AG.
- The 14 (Birmingham to Chelmsley Wood via Alum Rock), will be converted to Single Decker operation until Autumn 2020.
Does anyone know if that's all correct? And what will be the cause meaning the 14 will be operated by Single Decks during that time?
Tony will know, but until he is allowed to confirm anything, these just remain in the 'rumour' stage.
As for the 14 I guess it will either be due to anti-social and violent behaviour, or there is some long-term diversion planned which will require use of single-decks.
No, that is not correct
Quote from: Winston on October 14, 2018, 11:48:23 PM
As PN already has the youngest average age, any new intake for the X10 would no doubt see older Platinum's moved elsewhere.
I'd have guessed 40-42 would cover the 9, X10 & 126 + a few spares, 50 seems generous.
Agree that closer to 40 should cover the 9, X10 and 126. I thought that maybe the first few of the new deliveries would go to BC to allow the X21 to be converted to Platinum. The current arrangement with 10 vehicles branded for 3 routes, one of which isn't Platinum, isn't entirely satisfactory.
Quote from: 2206 on October 14, 2018, 10:35:45 PM
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/west-midlands-bus-network-review-s.129378/page-4
New platinum, 2018 allocations.
Its been said:
- There will be 50 new platinums for Pensnett, for routes, 9, 126 and X10.
- There will be 25 new platinums to Yardley Wood for the 50.
- 6101 to 6148 will transfer to Acocks Green for the 11A and 11C (Outer Circle). Meaning some of the Gemini will be leaving AG.
- The 14 (Birmingham to Chelmsley Wood via Alum Rock), will be converted to Single Decker operation until Autumn 2020.
Does anyone know if that's all correct? And what will be the cause meaning the 14 will be operated by Single Decks during that time?
No
Quote from: 2206 on October 14, 2018, 10:35:45 PM
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/west-midlands-bus-network-review-s.129378/page-4
New platinum, 2018 allocations.
Its been said:
- The 14 (Birmingham to Chelmsley Wood via Alum Rock), will be converted to Single Decker operation until Autumn 2020.
Does anyone know if that's all correct? And what will be the cause meaning the 14 will be operated by Single Decks during that time?
If the 14 goes single deck at any time it will be because HS2 works have closed Saltley Viaduct and it needs to divert under the low bridge. It's not planned in these changes, but the again neither is some of the other stuff posted
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2018, 11:42:16 AM
It's not planned in these changes, but the again neither is some of the other stuff posted
Im guessing the accurate bit is 75 new vehicles 😂
Amazing how the post has now been edited to make it look like he wasn't talking rubbish.
Just wait until its announced!
Quote from: Dom on October 15, 2018, 08:58:19 PM
Amazing how the post has now been edited to make it look like he wasn't talking rubbish.
Just wait until its announced!
Not like they're the only one to have access to information and things they really shouldn't have access to...
Is it, Dominic... *cough cough* Traffilog app on your phone... *cough*
Just seen on Facebook someone saying the 11A/C will be reciving a vechicle up grade very soon
Quote from: Jack6101 on October 16, 2018, 07:50:58 PM
Just seen on Facebook someone saying the 11A/C will be reciving a vechicle up grade very soon
According to the rumour mill, PN and YW are losing their 61xx enviros to AG for the 11 and the 9, 50, 126 & X10 are going platinum
The only thing so far 100% decided is 6686-6700 will start to arrive in about 3 weeks and will be for the 22 route
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 16, 2018, 08:00:12 PM
According to the rumour mill, PN and YW are losing their 61xx enviros to AG for the 11 and the 9, 50, 126 & X10 are going platinum
The X10 is already Platinum
94 or any east Brum routes contenders this time round? ;)
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 16, 2018, 08:10:35 PM
The X10 is already Platinum
Yeah, I was on autopilot. I meant to put the x10 was rumoured to get new buses...
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 16, 2018, 08:21:05 PM
94 or any east Brum routes contenders this time round? ;)
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 16, 2018, 08:00:12 PM
According to the rumour mill, PN and YW are losing their 61xx enviros to AG for the 11 and the 9, 50, 126 & X10 are going platinum
Nothing is seemingly decided yet.
But if the 11A/C was to get an upgrade the 11 operates in East Brum between Acocks Green and Erdington.
It isn't very far away from Ventor Avenue as well.
Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2018, 08:01:10 PM
The only thing so far 100% decided is 6686-6700 will start to arrive in about 3 weeks and will be for the 22 route
Emerald route?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 16, 2018, 08:21:05 PM
94 or any east Brum routes contenders this time round? ;)
Rumours are the 14 is going SD
Those were quashed I believe yesterday
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 16, 2018, 08:28:54 PM
Rumours are the 14 is going SD
There are a lot of silly rumours about, as well as some that are very close to what will happen, but none have yet been signed off by the board so no detail yet
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 16, 2018, 08:21:05 PM
94 or any east Brum routes contenders this time round? ;)
Not holding my breath
Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2018, 08:01:10 PM
The only thing so far 100% decided is 6686-6700 will start to arrive in about 3 weeks and will be for the 22 route
What's the 22 route??
Quote from: John on October 16, 2018, 10:32:57 PM
Dundee
Oh thanks I didn't think outside the West Midlands then!!
Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2018, 08:35:03 PM
There are a lot of silly rumours about, as well as some that are very close to what will happen, but none have yet been signed off by the board so no detail yet
The fact they've ordered them all as Platinum spec but they didn't originally have a plan of where to put them speaks volumes about how much they value they value the brand
Quote from: Kevin on October 17, 2018, 02:18:51 PM
The fact they've ordered them all as Platinum spec but they didn't originally have a plan of where to put them speaks volumes about how much they value they value the brand
My only question is why there are no platinum single deckers? Got a fleet of leather double deckers and then a fleet of standard single deckers? Do adl give you a BOGOF deal for the platinum mmcs at the moment?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 17, 2018, 02:33:09 PM
My only question is why there are no platinum single deckers? Got a fleet of leather double deckers and then a fleet of standard single deckers? Do adl give you a BOGOF deal for the platinum mmcs at the moment?
Or they have been well received, increased patronage occurred, full of needs for the customer WiFi, USB ports and better seats.
Maybe it's the end of the contract with Adl? So the 500 or 600 new buses have now been delivered?
Single deckers they are pretty much the youngest part of the fleet 57 plate (11 years old) scanias being the oldest whilst there are still too many old tridents/alx 400 b7tls Y regs being the oldest (18/19 years old)
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on October 17, 2018, 04:09:22 PM
Single deckers they are pretty much the youngest part of the fleet 57 plate (11 years old) scanias being the oldest whilst there are still too many old tridents/alx 400 b7tls Y regs being the oldest (18/19 years old)
You have forgotten the 55reg Volvos at Walsall.
Quote from: markcf83 on October 17, 2018, 04:41:23 PM
You have forgotten the 55reg Volvos at Walsall.
56 reg.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 17, 2018, 02:33:09 PM
My only question is why there are no platinum single deckers? Got a fleet of leather double deckers and then a fleet of standard single deckers? Do adl give you a BOGOF deal for the platinum mmcs at the moment?
Even though there have been a large number of double deckers delivered in recent years, in my opinion there are still too many single deckers. It's no laughing matter when you're standing on single decker on the way home when I'm normally sitting on a double decker !
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 17, 2018, 05:47:23 PM
Even though there have been a large number of double deckers delivered in recent years, in my opinion there are still too many single deckers. It's no laughing matter when you're standing on single decker on the way home when I'm normally sitting on a double decker !
Especially if you're on a route running in & out of Bradford Place in Walsall!
(Except the 45, before someone says!)
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 16, 2018, 08:28:54 PM
Rumours are the 14 is going SD
The 14 worked for years being single deck ftom 1990 with lynxs through to 2008 with Mercedes. But the 14 did have 26/55 helping it with Alum rock. Now it serves there itself so don't think it'll work unless increased frequency at least busy section Birmingham - Stechford.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 17, 2018, 05:47:23 PM
Even though there have been a large number of double deckers delivered in recent years, in my opinion there are still too many single deckers. It's no laughing matter when you're standing on single decker on the way home when I'm normally sitting on a double decker !
Amen to that!
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 16, 2018, 08:28:54 PM
Rumours are the 14 is going SD
I'd be very surprised if it did considering how busy it is and the fact single deckers are longer which makes maneuverability even harder on the tight Alum Rock Rd.
Quote from: B.C Driver on October 18, 2018, 10:20:11 AM
I'd be very surprised if it did considering how busy it is and the fact single deckers are longer which makes maneuverability even harder on the tight Alum Rock Rd.
There is a possibilty of it being diverted straight down Duddeston Mill Road under the low bridge. If it does then it will have to be single deck
Quote from: Tony on October 18, 2018, 10:26:03 AM
There is a possibilty of it being diverted straight down Duddeston Mill Road under the low bridge. If it does then it will have to be single deck
If Saltley viaduct is closed would that also mean the 94 would also have to go Single Deck, as that also uses Saltley Viaduct?
Quote from: 2206 on October 18, 2018, 12:01:44 PM
If Saltley viaduct is closed would that also mean the 94 would also have to go Single Deck, as that also uses Saltley Viaduct?
That can use Aston Church Lane
Quote from: Tony on October 18, 2018, 12:09:49 PM
That can use Aston Church Lane
Can't the 14 from Saltley, use the Washwood Heath Road and then go down Aston Church Road as well?
Quote from: 2206 on October 18, 2018, 12:11:10 PM
Can't the 14 from Saltley, use the Washwood Heath Road and then go down Aston Church Road as well?
Why use such a long diversion when Duddeston Mill Road means no additonal time
Quote from: Tony on October 18, 2018, 12:09:49 PM
That can use Aston Church Lane
How would the inner circle be diverted? The same as the 14 to/from Ash Road & would it take the 14 route Clock & Anti Clock from the Spine Road Island or Use Melvina Road like the 26 did years ago & then Duddeston Mill Road to Ash Road & vice versa
@Tony
6689 (not my photo)
https://flic.kr/p/Q5ECNo
I've only just checked out the XD thread. :-[
Quote from: CL on October 19, 2018, 08:10:26 PM
6689 (not my photo)
https://flic.kr/p/Q5ECNo
I've only just checked out the XD thread. :-[
Yet another fantastic looking livery. Just a shame that Coventry's lets the side down.
Quote from: Gareth on October 19, 2018, 09:05:05 PM
Yet another fantastic looking livery. Just a shame that Coventry's lets the side down.
That looks very nice indeed. I like coventrys new livery too what's bad about it?
Does anyone have pic of Coventrys new livery please or is it blue and a gold strip
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on October 19, 2018, 09:13:14 PM
Does anyone have pic of Coventrys new livery please or is it blue and a gold strip
There are loads on the main site, so there's no need to ask that realy.
4773 - http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4773.html
2172 - http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/2001-2129/2172.html
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 19, 2018, 09:06:36 PM
That looks very nice indeed. I like coventrys new livery too what's bad about it?
I like the shade of the new darker blue, but it doesn't go with the lighter blue. The gold stripe looks wrong with the blue too. My biggest issue is the fleetnames. They just don't stand out and in some lights, even unreadable.
Quote from: Gareth on October 19, 2018, 09:05:05 PM
Yet another fantastic looking livery. Just a shame that Coventry's lets the side down.
Nice looking livery but not sure whether that's emerald green or Shrek green.
Quote from: CL on October 19, 2018, 08:10:26 PM
6689 (not my photo)
https://flic.kr/p/Q5ECNo
I've only just checked out the XD thread. :-[
Looks really good. Makes me miss the Hybrid green on the Geminis.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 20, 2018, 01:09:23 AM
Looks really good. Makes me miss the Hybrid green on the Geminis.
Green certainly suits the MMC, very well.
Not keen on the graphic on the lower part of the bus, if I'm honest. I'm not particularly sure what you'd call it, as well; but having said that, I've heard it been referred to as the 'tide'/'swoop'. But I digress.
I get that, as premium spec vehicles, they'll have to set themselves apart from the generic branded ones. It appears, in this case, the 'Emeralds' have opted in a livery variation, where an aspect of the basic livery design has changed, to do so. I feel now its angular 'swoop' doesn't quite fit in with the curves on the rest of the livery or, indeed, the curves of the MMC body itself.
Nevertheless, it's a minor issue which I see myself coming round to like it... eventually. Not like I'll be heading to Dundee anytime soon. ::) :P
Quote from: CL on October 20, 2018, 01:25:37 AM
Green certainly suits the MMC, very well.
Not keen on the graphic on the lower part of the bus, if I'm honest. I'm not particularly sure what you'd call it, as well; but having said that, I've heard it been referred to as the 'tide'/'swoop'. But I digress.
I get that, as premium spec vehicles, they'll have to set themselves apart from the generic branded ones. It appears, in this case, the 'Emeralds' have opted in a livery variation, where an aspect of the basic livery design has changed, to do so. I feel now its angular 'swoop' doesn't quite fit in with the curves on the rest of the livery or, indeed, the curves of the MMC body itself.
Nevertheless, it's a minor issue which I see myself coming round to like it... eventually. Not like I'll be heading to Dundee anytime soon. ::) :P
It will be branded so I think the squared off swoop will be a part of the branding.
With delivery of the next batch of buses expected to start in under 3 weeks I will be putting the fleetnumbers & body numbers on the main site tonight along with the allocations of the first 22
Yardley Wood for the 50?
If u count the E400 MMC's for Yardley would excluding the 2 unbranded one it's 22 and the platinums are 22 for Yardley wood so they are for the 50 I'm presuming
Makes sense for the 50...Any idea which route the current e400 mmc buses will be moved to ?
Quote from: TT90 on October 24, 2018, 09:52:34 PM
Makes sense for the 50...Any idea which route the current e400 mmc buses will be moved to ?
AG 11A and 11C I think
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on October 24, 2018, 10:02:52 PM
AG 11A and 11C I think
no I think they will keep the germinis there's a possibility the move to the 2 and 3
I,ll add my 10 pence worth, yardley woods current MMC,s could upgrade west broms Dudley rd enviro 400 trident2 which are former yardley wood branded 50s,, 22 boards and 2 peak time extras.
some of these 4700s are starting to look shabby being the first to be Crimson refurbs especially under the gold stripe. 4700s could in theory replace the 4200s my guess
Another point most major corridors into city have relatively newish buses 4700s are now 10/11 years old, Dudley rd did in past receive 3 sets of new volvos between 2000/2006
Quote from: 2900 on October 25, 2018, 07:53:54 AM
Another point most major corridors into city have relatively newish buses 4700s are now 10/11 years old, Dudley rd did in past receive 3 sets of new volvos between 2000/2006
Its not going to happen but they could stay at YW and upgrade the 35, the 11 is favourite.
Wonder if some buses will moved to Coventry to get rid of the Y reg tridents & at other depots
In regards to the news on the first arrivals at Yardley Wood I will suggest this-the displaced Enviros go onto the 2/3 replacing older Tridents which in turn can remove the oldest Tridents at YW.
Quote from: markcf83 on October 25, 2018, 12:40:43 PM
In regards to the news on the first arrivals at Yardley Wood I will suggest this-the displaced Enviros go onto the 2/3 replacing older Tridents which in turn can remove the oldest Tridents at YW.
That's not likely to happen, especially when YW & WN have only very recently swapped a large number of Tridents, thus YW now have the majority of the 53 / 04 plate Tridents with Euro 6 exhaust upgrades to be compliant
Quote from: filbus1 on October 25, 2018, 08:43:09 AM
Its not going to happen but they could stay at YW and upgrade the 35, the 11 is favourite.
The 11 is a major corridor presently using vehicles up to 17 years old as well (eg 4231) and a main allocation of 14/15 year old vehicles.
Quote from: markcf83 on October 25, 2018, 12:40:43 PM
In regards to the news on the first arrivals at Yardley Wood I will suggest this-the displaced Enviros go onto the 2/3 replacing older Tridents which in turn can remove the oldest Tridents at YW.
They'e just recieved trapped Euro 6 Tridents to replace the older 43XX Tridents.
They don't have many left now and the ones they do have left are also trapped.
The majority are now at WN.
Are there even enough MMCs (48) for the 11? I genuinely don't know the PVR of the outer circle
I would love to see some Gemini's at pensnett
Quote from: Sh4318 on October 25, 2018, 10:15:04 PM
Are there even enough MMCs (48) for the 11? I genuinely don't know the PVR of the outer circle
I don't know either but it's been mentioned in the past on here that it's low forties.
6692, 6693 and 6694 have been sighted by Gordon Scott -
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122507681@N02/44831535604/in/photostream/
The allocation of the new bus order has been confirmed in todays business brief according to a driver i know.
-Coventry for the 11/12X
-Yardley Wood for the 50
-Pensnett for the 9 (and presumably X10)
-Birmingham Central for the X70.
6111-24 from PN and 6125-48 from YW are going to Acocks Green for the 11A/C.
That seems a better spread of routes than the original suggested allocation.
Quote from: Nathan on October 26, 2018, 02:51:57 PM
The allocation of the new bus order has been confirmed in todays business brief according to a driver i know.
-Coventry for the 11/12X
-Yardley Wood for the 50
-Pensnett for the 9 (and presumably X10)
-Birmingham Central for the X70.
The current E400MMC's at PN (6101-24) and AG (6125-48) on the 9 & 50 are going to Acocks Green for the 11A/C.
Not completely coirrect. 6101-6110 are staying at Pensnett
Quote from: Tony on October 26, 2018, 03:35:48 PM
Not completely coirrect. 6101-6110 are staying at Pensnett
Ok, thanks for the info.
allocations to vehicles are now on
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html
Quote from: Tony on October 26, 2018, 03:35:48 PM
Not completely coirrect. 6101-6110 are staying at Pensnett
I assume they'll be for the 126?
Quote from: Winston on October 26, 2018, 03:41:49 PM
I assume they'll be for the 126?
Are 3301 - 3305 going to remain at PN or are these going to go elsewhere?
Presumably there will still be a few Gemini on the 11 then operating alongside the E400 MMC?
Like the B7TL ALX400 do at the minute, operating alongside the Gemini?
Quote from: Tony on October 26, 2018, 03:38:40 PM
allocations to vehicles are now on
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html
Are 6943/4 correct showing as allocated to YW after PN's batch of 28?
Quote from: Winston on October 26, 2018, 03:44:14 PM
Are 6943/4 correct showing as allocated to YW after PN's batch of 28?
Yes
Sure this may have been asked before, in what case I apologisse in advance, but why is there a gap between 6148 and 6687?
was looking forward to there being another 6360?
Will 6711-18 transfer to Walsall?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on October 26, 2018, 05:28:51 PM
Will 6711-18 transfer to Walsall?
Or maybe a few will go to AG, replacing the Gemini that currently also appear on the X12 daily?
What will be the livery on the new buses for YW? I read they are Platinums, but route 50 is shared with Diamond and the bus stops have been changed to Transport for West Midlands ones.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on October 26, 2018, 06:12:20 PM
What will be the livery on the new buses for YW? I read they are Platinums, but route 50 is shared with Diamond and the bus stops have been changed to Transport for West Midlands ones.
The routes jointly operated by NXWM and Diamond (31, 32 and 42, 43) both use the same resources. NXWM use a lot more buses on the 50 compared to Diamond so it will not become a Transport for West Midlands route.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on October 26, 2018, 06:12:20 PM
What will be the livery on the new buses for YW? I read they are Platinums, but route 50 is shared with Diamond and the bus stops have been changed to Transport for West Midlands ones.
Diamond operate their own competing jouneys on the 50, it is not a 'shared' partnership as with the 42/43 and 31/32.
The bus stop flags were changed when the 50A was withdrawn, all future flags will be in the new TfWM design as and when they need to be replaced, the design is not reserved for partnership routes.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on October 26, 2018, 06:12:20 PM
What will be the livery on the new buses for YW? I read they are Platinums, but route 50 is shared with Diamond and the bus stops have been changed to Transport for West Midlands ones.
All 75 due for NXWM were all to be Platinum's, I assume the NXC won't now gain their own premium brand as per xplore Dundee Emerald's.
Quote from: Winston on October 26, 2018, 07:09:48 PM
All 75 due for NXWM were all to be Platinum's, I assume the NXC won't now gain their own premium brand as per xplore Dundee Emerald's.
I don't see why they couldn't get 'Platinum' but have sky blue accents rather than red, or even just sky blue route branding similar to the X7/X8's purple.
PN platinums will hopefully be for the 9 as there r 28 on order and currently the have 24 buses so mabye the generic platinum branded ones head over to AG to help wiv the X12 and the 6 that r due at BC hope they are for the X70
Quote from: Hammad on October 26, 2018, 08:15:45 PM
PN platinums will hopefully be for the 9 as there r 28 on order and currently the have 24 buses so mabye the generic platinum branded ones head over to AG to help wiv the X12 and the 6 that r due at BC hope they are for the X70
Its already been confirmed where they are for above.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 26, 2018, 08:24:30 PM
Shame that the Gemini's will be going from the 11A/11C, long time they been operating on their I recall. Will this see the withdrawal of the 42** volvos then?
14 years, 4635 - 4679 were new to the route in October 2004
@Trident 4194 . Though would 38 be enough to completely replace them on the 11? It was said on here that the PVR was in the low 40's.
Up until they started to debrand them (it appears to be 4667, 4672 and the 45XX retaining the branding at present), there were 35 Gemini and they were still accompanied by some B7TL ALX400 on a daily basis. So though they may replace the Gemini it may be that some may still get on there?
Shame that the Gemini's will be going from the 11A/11C, long time they been operating on their I recall. Will this see the withdrawal of the 42** volvos then?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 26, 2018, 08:24:30 PM
Shame that the Gemini's will be going from the 11A/11C, long time they been operating on their I recall. Will this see the withdrawal of the 42** volvos then?
The Y-reg Tridents should be totally removed plus a large proportion of the non compliant 42-- Volvo/ALX400's
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 26, 2018, 08:24:30 PM
Shame that the Gemini's will be going from the 11A/11C, long time they been operating on their I recall. Will this see the withdrawal of the 42** volvos then?
The Geminis were originally 'new' for the 11A/C when it was upgraded back in 2004. The irony is that the route has been 'upgraded' with older vehicles ever since.
I would expect the transfer of E400MMCs to see older Volvo B7TLs withdrawn, but it remains to be seen where any left over Geminis end up.
I did some calculations a while back and I estimated the 11A/C needs about 43-45 buses.
From a personal point of view, I would have probably preferred these to stay at YW and upgrade the 2 and 3. But then I can't always have my own way. ;)
Quote from: Stu on October 26, 2018, 08:41:38 PM
The Geminis were originally 'new' for the 11A/C when it was upgraded back in 2004. The irony is that the route has been 'upgraded' with older vehicles ever since.
I would expect the transfer of E400MMCs to see older Volvo B7TLs withdrawn, but it remains to be seen where any left over Geminis end up.
I did some calculations a while back and I estimated the 11A/C needs about 43-45 buses.
From a personal point of view, I would have probably preferred these to stay at YW and upgrade the 2 and 3. But then I can't always have my own way. ;)
I was told that WB would be getting some of the left over Geminis, but who knows how true that is.
Quote from: Stu on October 26, 2018, 08:41:38 PM
The Geminis were originally 'new' for the 11A/C when it was upgraded back in 2004. The irony is that the route has been 'upgraded' with older vehicles ever since.
I would expect the transfer of E400MMCs to see older Volvo B7TLs withdrawn, but it remains to be seen where any left over Geminis end up.
I did some calculations a while back and I estimated the 11A/C needs about 43-45 buses.
From a personal point of view, I would have probably preferred these to stay at YW and upgrade the 2 and 3. But then I can't always have my own way. ;)
It'll be interesting to see what happens with 4276 - 4291 on the 5/73 and what replaces these, as I believe it was said the Gemini can't go under the bridge on Robin Hood Lane in Hall Green due to the signing.
Quote from: 2206 on October 26, 2018, 08:49:14 PM
It'll be interesting to see what happens with 4276 - 4291 on the 5/73 and what replaces these, as I believe it was said the Gemini can't go under the bridge on Robin Hood Lane in Hall Green due to the signing.
4276-91 Will be staying at AG for the time being. The next target is to get every bus in Birmingham Euro 6 for 2020, so no rush to remove Euro 6 vehicles
According to a new instagram post, mobile signs is back at BC and I presume they're doing something with whichever Dundee MMC is down there.
Wonder what branding the X70 will have and have the busses already been built
Quote from: CL on October 26, 2018, 09:01:13 PM
According to a new instagram post, mobile signs is back at BC and I presume they're doing something with whichever Dundee MMC is down there.
6687 I think
Is 28 platinums enough to cover both the 9 and X10. Or is the X9 coming?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on October 26, 2018, 09:14:03 PM
Is 28 platinums enough to cover both the 9 and X10. Or is the X9 coming?
they might both get combined into one route and the 9 getting extended to Merry Hill
Quote from: StourValley98 on October 26, 2018, 08:45:14 PM
I was told that WB would be getting some of the left over Geminis, but who knows how true that is.
Gemini's potentially for the 48 then. That wouldn't be a first.
Quote from: Hammad on October 26, 2018, 09:15:03 PM
they might both get combined into one route and the 9 getting extended to Merry Hill
9 goes to Stourbridge and the x10 goes to merry hill, they would not merge the routes
Quote from: Tony on October 26, 2018, 08:52:20 PM
4276-91 Will be staying at AG for the time being. The next target is to get every bus in Birmingham Euro 6 for 2020, so no rush to remove Euro 6 vehicles
I heard they were going to be withdrawn, which I found stupid.
Will the street decks stay at pensnstt for the 126/14
Are these buses now getting built or are they almost finished
Quote from: Jack6101 on October 26, 2018, 09:24:53 PM
Will the street decks stay at pensnstt for the 126/14
Not enough.
I've heard they're moving to Dundee
Quote from: Dom on October 26, 2018, 09:43:09 PM
Not enough.
I've heard they're moving to Dundee
Please no. Wasn't there a rumour about there being more streetdecks on order?
Quote from: Nathan on October 26, 2018, 02:51:57 PM
The allocation of the new bus order has been confirmed in todays business brief according to a driver i know.
-Coventry for the 11/12X
-Yardley Wood for the 50
-Pensnett for the 9 (and presumably X10)
-Birmingham Central for the X70.
6111-24 from PN and 6125-48 from YW are going to Acocks Green for the 11A/C.
I wonder what will happen to these Enviros. The 907 feels like it's just been left to its own devices and forgotten about, let's not forget this route is express between Birmingham & Perry Barr
Quote from: Hammad on October 26, 2018, 09:15:03 PM
they might both get combined into one route and the 9 getting extended to Merry Hill
I'm assuming this is an attempt at humour
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 26, 2018, 09:16:00 PM
Gemini's potentially for the 48 then. That wouldn't be a first.
This would be a dream, I've missed them ever since they returned to AG
The new generic emerald brand for Dundee looks very smart
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6687.html
The new deliveries will be sufficient to see off all the Y Reg Tridents - with maybe BC's Euro4 ones forming a reserve fleet - and the untrapped Volvo ALX400s. WB have 22 of them so ex AG Geminis would be an option there. As a wildcard maybe PB's four Omnicities might get Gemini replacements. We will see soon enough
Quote from: Tony on October 26, 2018, 08:52:20 PM
4276-91 Will be staying at AG for the time being. The next target is to get every bus in Birmingham Euro 6 for 2020, so no rush to remove Euro 6 vehicles
Thanks for the info.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 26, 2018, 10:02:12 PM
Please no. Wasn't there a rumour about there being more streetdecks on order?
If it happened would some Gemini come back the other way for use in the Midlands maybe, as the emeralds should see off the presidents and possibly 7067.
So I can't see what they'd displace, unless Dundee needed more buses, or some Gemini came back the other way?
Quote from: 2206 on October 27, 2018, 09:05:40 AM
Thanks for the info.If it happened would some Gemini come back the other way for use in the Midlands maybe, as the emeralds should see off the presidents and possibly 7067.
So I can't see what they'd displace, unless Dundee needed more buses, or some Gemini came back the other way?
or some of our germinis going to Coventry if they r short of buses
Quote from: Hammad on October 26, 2018, 10:39:57 PM
The new generic emerald brand for Dundee looks very smart
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6687.html
The vinyls applied to that completely cover the design of the livery at the front of the upper deck, which is strange. And part of the design will be covered as soon as adverts are fitted in the T frame.
Quote from: Mike K on October 27, 2018, 11:46:10 AM
The vinyls applied to that completely cover the design of the livery at the front of the upper deck, which is strange. And part of the design will be covered as soon as adverts are fitted in the T frame.
On the other hand, it looks fitting and complements the angular design on the lower half of the livery, albeit alienating itself to the now familiar curves of the new livery.
Can't argue with you there re: the adverts once fitted
Quote from: Tony on October 26, 2018, 03:35:48 PM
Not completely coirrect. 6101-6110 are staying at Pensnett
What happened to garages only having one type of MMC for engineering purposes then?
Quote from: Kevin on October 27, 2018, 12:51:33 PM
What happened to garages only having one type of MMC for engineering purposes then?
no they will stay because they are normall mmc not platinum mmc
How much more is a plat spec mmc to a normal mmc? Not much I presume?
Quote from: Hammad on October 27, 2018, 01:38:27 PM
no they will stay because they are normall mmc not platinum mmc
It was nothing to do with interior spwc, it was gearbox differnce and hub difference I believe
Quote from: John on October 27, 2018, 02:26:51 PM
It was nothing to do with interior spwc, it was gearbox differnce and hub difference I believe
The interior spec is one reason for keeping them apart. The seat cushions are a different size on 6701-58 and would cause problems if swapped between vehicles
IM guessing if X70 is going platinum, route branding will be involved??
https://nxbus.co.uk/platinum/?utm_source=homebanner&utm_campaign=welcome-to-platinum&utm_medium=image
This page is looking very outdated now and will be looking even more outdated in a few weeks time. Do NX plan to update it at anypoint?
Quote from: 2206 on October 27, 2018, 06:53:42 PM
https://nxbus.co.uk/platinum/?utm_source=homebanner&utm_campaign=welcome-to-platinum&utm_medium=image
This page is looking very outdated now and will be looking even more outdated in a few weeks time. Do NX plan to update it at anypoint?
Probably after the latest Platinum routes are launched.
Interesting the x70 getting new buses, an ex lea hall route yippee.
Is that route actually performing well or is it investment in it for long term gain. I only ask that as the odd occasion I'm in c Brom it always looks empty. Discuss?....
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 04, 2018, 04:13:34 PM
Interesting the x70 getting new buses, an ex lea hall route yippee.
Is that route actually performing well or is it investment in it for long term gain. I only ask that as the odd occasion I'm in c Brom it always looks empty. Discuss?....
from as far as I've seen I'm pretty sure the bus gets filled between water Orton and chelemsly wood
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 04, 2018, 04:13:34 PM
Interesting the x70 getting new buses, an ex lea hall route yippee.
Is that route actually performing well or is it investment in it for long term gain. I only ask that as the odd occasion I'm in c Brom it always looks empty. Discuss?....
Hams Hall shift change time buses get quite full
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122507681@N02/45797667061/in/photostream/
Looks like the first WM platinums have been built.
There is a new WM Platinum parked next to the Xplore Dundee MMC in the backround of this pic.
I'm not sure that's an XD Emerald MMC as all our 14 new buses are at Dock Street now.
Quote from: DavieDD2 on November 09, 2018, 08:13:30 PM
I'm not sure that's an XD Emerald MMC as all our 14 new buses are at Dock Street now.
It certainly seems to be in their livery, or is there is another operator somewhere with a similar two tone green livery?
Quote from: 2206 on November 09, 2018, 08:22:28 PM
It certainly seems to be in their livery, or is there another operator somewhere with a similar two tone green livery?
Has 6691 arrived? It hadn't a couple of days ago
I'm only going by a post on the Dundee forum from Jim C, he said all the new buses were there, it is possible he miscounted, I haven't been down that way to see for myself.
Quote from: DavieDD2 on November 09, 2018, 08:36:18 PM
I'm only going by a post on the Dundee forum from Jim C, he said all the new buses were there, it is possible he miscounted, I haven't been down that way to see for myself.
On Wednesday I had a message that number 5 & 14 were still at Falkirk
I bow to your superior knowledge Tony!
Why have the Dundee buses received rear window branding straight away, whereas the WM buses are still without it? https://www.flickr.com/photos/ajrm1976/45735261201/in/photostream/
There must be a reason, surely?
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 11, 2018, 07:44:11 PM
Why have the Dundee buses received rear window branding straight away, whereas the WM buses are still without it? https://www.flickr.com/photos/ajrm1976/45735261201/in/photostream/
There must be a reason, surely?
Looks like the vinyl vandals have moved north of the border!
6135 has now been debranded
Quote from: Jack6101 on November 14, 2018, 06:06:29 PM
6135 has now been debranded
6126, 6127, 6139 & 6143 are also now debranded from what I've read and seen on Facebook. :)
This has just appeared in my Flickr feed - 6893 on test at Falkirk
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122507681@N02/45862409362/in/feed
Does anyone know when the first Platinum E400MMC's are due at YW please?
Quote from: 4369Beast on November 16, 2018, 08:09:51 PM
Does anyone know when the first Platinum E400MMC's are due at YW please?
6893 was pictured on it's delivery run today, so should be any day now
Is there a date for when the yw platinums enter service in on route as per earlier posting
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on November 16, 2018, 08:03:30 PM
This has just appeared in my Flickr feed - 6893 on test at Falkirk
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122507681@N02/45862409362/in/feed
With advert frame already fitted, so presumably the first few YW ones will carry generic Platinum branding. I do wonder, given the growing percentage of vehicles in the fleet without advert frames, whether the Platinums will eventually carry advert frames on both sides, with route branding restricted to the front, as per the crimson and red/white fleet.
Quote from: Mike K on November 16, 2018, 08:47:52 PM
With advert frame already fitted, so presumably the first few YW ones will carry generic Platinum branding. I do wonder, given the growing percentage of vehicles in the fleet without advert frames, whether the Platinums will eventually carry advert frames on both sides, with route branding restricted to the front, as per the crimson and red/white fleet.
I've already said that all 75, including route branded ones will have advert frames this year.
Photos of 6894 & 6895 will be on the main site shortly
Quote from: Tony on November 16, 2018, 08:54:07 PM
I've already said that all 75, including route branded ones will have advert frames this year.
Photos of 6894 & 6895 will be on the main site shortly
Apologies, I'd not seen that post. In that case I wondered correctly then.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on November 16, 2018, 08:03:30 PM
This has just appeared in my Flickr feed - 6893 on test at Falkirk
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122507681@N02/45862409362/in/feed
Not quite 'test run', but appears to be on actual delivery - as per Mr. Scott's description. ;) 6894 & 6896 have also been sighted
Surely they've arrived into Birmingham by now. ???
Will the platinums just creep on to the 50? I would imagine marketing would prefer a "big bang" news story - so unless YW have the space to accommodate 22 extra buses, some could have to be stored elsewhere locally until the big move can be made.....involving AG as well
Quote from: cardew on November 17, 2018, 09:39:53 AM
Will the platinums just creep on to the 50? I would imagine marketing would prefer a "big bang" news story - so unless YW have the space to accommodate 22 extra buses, some could have to be stored elsewhere locally until the big move can be made.....involving AG as well
It will be the usual gradual change over I would imagine, can't see them storing buses up.
Are these new Platinums to exactly the same spec as those already in use ie more of the same , or are there any minor (or major) differences?
The Platinums are using advert frames on both the offside and nearside.
I think they will have the same branding as the crimson ones as the have advert frames on near side and offside
6138 is also now debranded.
The branding team are gonna' have their work cut out over the next couple of months I guess, especially if the MMCs are to them be rebranded for the 11A/C also.
Quote from: Hammad on November 17, 2018, 01:21:28 PM
any pics
I will share some links later
6125, 6129, 6135, 6136, 6137, 6138, 6140, 6141, 6144 seen earlier now join 26/27/39/43/ in being debranded
Excluding nx staff nobody seen (if it's been delivered) or heard about the new single decker that's due very soon ?
Quote from: karl724223 on November 17, 2018, 09:15:21 PM
Excluding nx staff nobody seen (if it's been delivered) or heard about the new single decker that's due very soon ?
It's arrived at Coventry
Quote from: Tony on November 17, 2018, 09:22:18 PM
It's arrived at Coventry
Is this a Brand new bus, if so what is it?
Quote from: karl724223 on November 17, 2018, 09:15:21 PM
Excluding nx staff nobody seen (if it's been delivered) or heard about the new single decker that's due very soon ?
Coach?
Quote from: 4369Beast on November 17, 2018, 09:50:53 PM
Is this a Brand new bus, if so what is it?
Yes, be and new single deck bus
I'm guessing it's blue ?? For Coventry just wondering the fleet number
And a replacement for 2152?
Quote from: Jack6101 on November 17, 2018, 10:25:16 PM
I'm guessing it's blue ?? For Coventry just wondering the fleet number
And a replacement for 2152?
Wrong. It is not a standard bus either
@John is it an fully electric bus?
Quote from: karl724223 on November 17, 2018, 09:15:21 PM
Excluding nx staff nobody seen (if it's been delivered) or heard about the new single decker that's due very soon ?
Don't let
@karl724223 go any wherenear it🤫
Quote from: John on November 18, 2018, 03:39:00 AM
Yes it is
I hate to speculate, but considering NXWM seem to prefer ADL stuff these days, my guess is on a BYD Enviro200EV. There's an article on ADL's site that states that "A new single deck Enviro200EV demonstrator will begin a tour of UK towns and cities after its appearance at Euro Bus Expo.", which would make sense.
https://www.alexander-dennis.com/media/news/2018/october/adl-at-euro-bus-expo-2018-your-needs-our-solutions-the-perfect-partnership/
Edit: Just been confirmed by someone on Facebook that it is LJ68CYO that's at Coventry right now, it arrived on Saturday and it'll stay for around a week on trial, but not in service. Take it with a grain of salt still as you can't believe everything you hear, but it seems very plausible.
The BYD Demonstrator passed me not long ago on Cox Street.. I was on 4763 (12X), so I couldn't get a photo.
Was just curious to know whether this was a road test?
Quote from: StourValley98 on November 18, 2018, 05:04:35 AM
I hate to speculate, but considering NXWM seem to prefer ADL stuff these days, my guess is on a BYD Enviro200EV. There's an article on ADL's site that states that "A new single deck Enviro200EV demonstrator will begin a tour of UK towns and cities after its appearance at Euro Bus Expo.", which would make sense.
https://www.alexander-dennis.com/media/news/2018/october/adl-at-euro-bus-expo-2018-your-needs-our-solutions-the-perfect-partnership/
Edit: Just been confirmed by someone on Facebook that it is LJ68CYO that's at Coventry right now, it arrived on Saturday and it'll stay for around a week on trial, but not in service. Take it with a grain of salt still as you can't believe everything you hear, but it seems very plausible.
I saw a London one on the a40 perivale this morning, they look ok
6893 and 6896 parked inside BC and one more.
It was out around Coventry today.
https://twitter.com/gnikttam/status/1064604241602506752
Quote from: B.C Driver on November 19, 2018, 07:00:58 PM
6893 and 6896 parked inside BC and one more.
How come they went to BC and not Straight to YW.
Quote from: 4369Beast on November 19, 2018, 11:52:21 PM
How come they went to BC and not Straight to YW.
Mostly likely to be prepared / stored there, as spare room is tight at YW.
Quote from: Winston on November 19, 2018, 11:56:33 PM
Mostly likely to be prepared / stored there, as spare room is tight at YW.
That's true I suppose.
Quote from: B.C Driver on November 19, 2018, 07:00:58 PM
6893 and 6896 parked inside BC and one more.
6894 is the other one, I'm told.
Quote from: B.C Driver on November 19, 2018, 07:00:58 PM
6893 and 6896 parked inside BC and one more.
I would imagine they are 6893,6894 and 6896 as they all set off from ADL Falkirk on the 16th ( Friday).
These latest Platinums also have advert frames on the rear bonnet - when adverts are applied, the fleet name and Platinum logo will be covered. I understand the reasons for adverts, but I do think it further dilutes the Platinum brand:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/155974115@N08/31028175717/in/pool-3045631@N21/
Quote from: Mike K on November 20, 2018, 10:21:43 PM
These latest Platinums also have advert frames on the rear bonnet - when adverts are applied, the fleet name and Platinum logo will be covered. I understand the reasons for adverts, but I do think it further dilutes the Platinum brand:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/155974115@N08/31028175717/in/pool-3045631@N21/
Hopefully that's instead of blanking out all the rear windows and ruining the appearance of what is a well designed vehicle. Please it surely can't be in addition to blanking out the windows?
One of the platinums has not long enters yardley Wood soo guessing there going bc for the init machines to be installed ??
Quote from: Jack6101 on November 21, 2018, 01:35:52 PM
One of the platinums has not long enters yardley Wood soo guessing there going bc for the init machines to be installed ??
Already been at BC as 6893,6894 and 6896 went straight to BC instead of YW from Delievery.
Quote from: 4369Beast on November 21, 2018, 01:49:04 PM
Already been at BC as 6893,6894 and 6896 went straight to BC instead of YW from Delievery.
6893 is now at YW.
Quote from: Winston on November 21, 2018, 02:39:29 PM
6893 is now at YW.
6893 is at YW for training. Won't see service until it has been back to BC for ticket machine fitting. Another will go to Coventry and one to Pensnett
Quote from: Tony on November 21, 2018, 03:04:23 PM
6893 is at YW for training. Won't see service until it has been back to BC for ticket machine fitting. Another will go to Coventry and one to Pensnett
I presume one to Coventry and one to Pensnett also for training?
Quote from: Mike K on November 20, 2018, 10:21:43 PM
I understand the reasons for adverts, but I do think it further dilutes the Platinum brand:
...
I'll throw it out there. Is Platinum to be the new colour for NX buses?
Because the logic of "people sitting on the 50 for 40 mins shouldn't have less comfort than passengers on the X51 for the same length"
So therefore every route should be treated with the same logic, turn the Outer Circle Platinum....
(to be read with a sprinkling of sarcasm, sorry Tony but I'm using your logic against you)
Speaking of liveries, will Coventry's Platinums be in the same livery as the current fleet or will it be different like Dundee with the Palladiums?
Quote from: Kevin on November 21, 2018, 09:17:30 PM
I'll throw it out there. Is Platinum to be the new colour for NX buses?
Because the logic of "people sitting on the 50 for 40 mins shouldn't have less comfort than passengers on the X51 for the same length"
So therefore every route should be treated with the same logic, turn the Outer Circle Platinum....
(to be read with a sprinkling of sarcasm, sorry Tony but I'm using your logic against you)
Your comment to me makes no sence?
Whats wrong with the 50 using vehicles with high backed seats, wifi and usb chargers, its honestly no different to the X51, X20, or any other route in my opinion.
I'm sure most people on a route like the X20, or any other route (23, X2, X51, 50, etc), don't mind the added extras over a standard vehicle, using the X20 as an example there are many on that route who aren't familiar with the route (one of users) who no doubt will find the next stop anouncements useful, but they're probably only on the bus for 15 - 20 minutes (The X22 I caught one morning went from being full to virtually empty at the University and QE), what difference is that to anyone travelling between Great Barr and Birmingham only the X51 or what diffecnce is the X51 to anyone travelling between Kings Heath and Birmigham on the 50.
Quote from: 2206 on November 21, 2018, 09:34:34 PM
Your comment to me makes no sence?
Whats wrong with the 50 using vehicles with high backed seats, wifi and usb charchers, its honestly no different to the X51 in my opinion
But where would the upgrades stop?
Why shouldn't the 11 get Platinum? Why shouldn't literally any other route?
The Platinums should mark out premium routes, yeah have the WiFi and high backed seating etc for any other new deliveries but why does it need to be Platinum?
(A question which was answered with "why not advertise the upgrades with the Platinum livery?")
So, basically, using the logic that all passengers should be worthy of the benefits of the Platinum, and that those benefits should be advertised, then all new buses in future should be Platinum, otherwise people will feel hard done by
Quote from: Kevin on November 21, 2018, 09:42:33 PM
But where would the upgrades stop?
Why shouldn't the 11 get Platinum? Why shouldn't literally any other route?
The Platinums should mark out premium routes, yeah have the WiFi and high backed seating etc for any other new deliveries but why does it need to be Platinum?
(A question which was answered with "why not advertise the upgrades with the Platinum livery?")
So, basically, using the logic that all passengers should be worthy of the benefits of the Platinum, and that those benefits should be advertised, then all new buses in future should be Platinum, otherwise people will feel hard done by
I agree the platinum brand has been completely devalued. To me it seems as though they are quite cheap. Soon the PN 9 to get platinums, why not make the 126 too, then you get the whole of the Hagley road grey? The 50 isn't express, therefore it shouldn't be platinum in my opinion.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 21, 2018, 10:10:20 PM
I agree the platinum brand has been completely devalued. To me it seems as though they are quite cheap. Soon the PN 9 to get platinums, why not make the 126 too, then you get the whole of the Hagley road grey? The 50 isn't express, therefore it shouldn't be platinum in my opinion.
I don't see why it should be strictly restricted to express or limited stop services either?
Maybe it has generated some growth and NX are expanding it. I don't realy see how that devalues it either.
Quote from: Kevin on November 21, 2018, 09:42:33 PM
The Platinums should mark out premium routes, yeah have the WiFi and high backed seating etc for any other new deliveries but why does it need to be Platinum?
(A question which was answered with "why not advertise the upgrades with the Platinum livery?")
It'd probably devalue it more if you went with that idea, by having these feature on standard buses, with only certain routes carrying the platinum livery. Whats the point in that, it doesn't realy make much difference to the average passenger if the bus is grey or it is red.
Will they ever fit USB chargers to 6701 - 6758 at some point though to match the rest of the platinum brand?
Quote from: 2206 on November 21, 2018, 10:13:42 PM
I don't see why it should be strictly restricted to express or limited stop services either?
Maybe. it has generated some growth and NX are expanding it. I don't realy see how that devalues it either.
It'd probably devalue it more if you went with that idea, by having these feature on standard buses, with only certain routes carrying the platinum livery.
Generated some growth? I doubt on every single route they've upgraded they've seen growth. The fact they aren't buying any crimson buses anymore suggests that one day we might get a fleet full of grey buses? Oh and what is really worth it repainting the tridents into a livery which could soon be redundant in say 5 years time?
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 21, 2018, 09:33:02 PM
Speaking of liveries, will Coventry's Platinums be in the same livery as the current fleet or will it be different like Dundee with the Palladiums?
Emerald*
Palladium is the name given for Blackpool Transport's vehicles that have all the customer friendly mod cons (like NX, seems all new orders are to this spec now)
Quote from: Kevin on November 21, 2018, 09:17:30 PM
I'll throw it out there. Is Platinum to be the new colour for NX buses?
Because the logic of "people sitting on the 50 for 40 mins shouldn't have less comfort than passengers on the X51 for the same length"
So therefore every route should be treated with the same logic, turn the Outer Circle Platinum....
(to be read with a sprinkling of sarcasm, sorry Tony but I'm using your logic against you)
Yes for new buses
Quote from: Nathan on November 21, 2018, 10:20:02 PM
Palladium is the name given for Blackpool Transport's vehicles that have all the customer friendly mod cons (like NX, seems all new orders are to this spec now)
The MD of Blackpool Transport has a vision that no buses will be older than 5 years by 2020.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 21, 2018, 10:19:50 PM
Generated some growth? I doubt on every single route they've upgraded they've seen growth. The fact they aren't buying any crimson buses anymore suggests that one day we might get a fleet full of grey buses? Oh and what is really worth it repainting the tridents into a livery which could soon be redundant in say 5 years time?
High spec buses are becomming the norm these days, in an attempt to help stem the decline in falling passenger numbers / and potential growth.
That's why the bulk of the NXWM fleet since 2015 have been to Platinum spec and not confined to just express routes.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 21, 2018, 10:19:50 PM
Generated some growth? I doubt on every single route they've upgraded they've seen growth. The fact they aren't buying any crimson buses anymore suggests that one day we might get a fleet full of grey buses? Oh and what is really worth it repainting the tridents into a livery which could soon be redundant in say 5 years time?
When (If) they have a full fleet of "grey" buses, then you could paint them any colour you wanted when they needed a repaint. The whole point of the colour and the Platinum name in a way is marketing. When PN get there new allocation it should mean that all buses travelling between Stourbridge and Halesowen to Birmingham will be Platinum ones and you can market it like that.
Since the Dudley bus review, the 9 frequency has been reduced Monday to Friday off peak to every 10 minutes and jusdging by some of the buses I have seen recently, I could well imagine that NX might decrease that even further by maybe running every other bus only between Halesowen and Birmingham which is where the passenger volume seems to be. That is why Platinum is being introduced to try and reverse this trend and make buses more popular.
Don't think the 94 will ever get upgraded
As for passenger numbers I have seen a notice saying that 100,000 extra people are using the buses compared to this time last year , platinum effect one could say may be who knows.
Quote from: 2900 on November 22, 2018, 09:22:02 AM
As for passenger numbers I have seen a notice saying that 100,000 extra people are using the buses compared to this time last year , platinum effect one could say may be who knows.
I think not. The only reason why people use buses is a) because they can't drive b) can't afford a car
C) travel into Birmingham where traffics awful
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 22, 2018, 09:31:07 AM
I think not. The only reason why people use buses is a) because they can't drive b) can't afford a car
C) travel into Birmingham where traffics awful
Are you deliberately thick?
Quote from: Winston on November 21, 2018, 10:42:10 PM
High spec buses are becomming the norm these days, in an attempt to help stem the decline in falling passenger numbers / and potential growth.
That's why the bulk of the NXWM fleet since 2015 have been to Platinum spec and not confined to just express routes.
Very true, when I went to Liverpool recently most if not all of their buses had free WiFi.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 22, 2018, 09:31:07 AM
I think not. The only reason why people use buses is a) because they can't drive b) can't afford a car
C) travel into Birmingham where traffics awful
Reflect and review before posting, unless this is a joke!
The only reason - then you give three!
There are at least ten generally accepted reasons for modal choice, but let's not allow facts to get in the way hey!
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 21, 2018, 10:10:20 PM
I agree the platinum brand has been completely devalued. To me it seems as though they are quite cheap. Soon the PN 9 to get platinums, why not make the 126 too, then you get the whole of the Hagley road grey? The 50 isn't express, therefore it shouldn't be platinum in my opinion.
The 126 was Platinum until the Dudley Review changes and it moved to Pensnett from Wolves
@Trident 4194
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 21, 2018, 10:10:20 PM
I agree the platinum brand has been completely devalued. To me it seems as though they are quite cheap. Soon the PN 9 to get platinums, why not make the 126 too, then you get the whole of the Hagley road grey? The 50 isn't express, therefore it shouldn't be platinum in my opinion.
No ones ever said Platinum's would only be confined to express routes. It was only ever assummed based on Platinum's initially being allocated to express routes. As they have clearly been well received based on specs for subsequent orders, why not give the 50 passengers a bit of luxury. After all, the 50 is a high frequency, big people mover service, the higher spec buses may encourage more people to use it. I believe the 17 x Streetlights due for Tividale for Birmingham routes will also have higher spec interiors.
Imo there's too many Platinum routes now. I don't exactly see the reason why the 50 should get them when there's limited stop services still Platinum, but it's ok these routes are neglected, 907, 952, X21... I think it's stupid the X21 has branding on Platinums and it's (majority of the time) B7RLE, really poor tbf.
Anyway with the Camp Hill line reopening what's the point? 50's busy as there's no train along the whole line, but I can see everyone using the train so they aren't being snarled up in Kings Heath and Moseley. I can see usage on the 50 dropping when it does, maybe why Platinums will be arriving?
Quote from: Jack on November 22, 2018, 05:11:29 PM
Imo there's too many Platinum routes now. I don't exactly see the reason why the 50 should get them when there's limited stop services still Platinum, but it's ok these routes are neglected, 907, 952, X21... I think it's stupid the X21 has branding on Platinums and it's (majority of the time) B7RLE, really poor tbf.
Anyway with the Camp Hill line reopening what's the point? 50's busy as there's no train along the whole line, but I can see everyone using the train so they aren't being snarled up in Kings Heath and Moseley. I can see usage on the 50 dropping when it does, maybe why Platinums will be arriving?
I don't understand your reasoning for why you think the 50 shouldn't have platinum vehicles, the platinum features are there to try and attract more demand.
There is no difference between someone making use of the platinum features on an express route like the X7 and X51 between Smethwick/Great Barr and Birmingham compared to someone travelling between Harborne and Birmingham on the 23. Just because they're express doesm't mean your on the bus for longer.
I'd agree with you point about the X21, it would be good if it was platinum in my opinion, since the platinum vehicles are branded for it.
Why does it matter if you think there are to many, your average passenger wouldn't be bothered, or likely even notice at present, lots would probably be pleased, to see a platinum vehicle turn up, instead of a standard vehicle
Additionally, the majority of routes present are still using standard vehicles.
The X3/X4/X5 corridor, is also a very busy corridor, yet there is a train line along that corridor.
Whilst I do think that the arrival of more Platinum vehicles does dilute the premium image of the brand it seems strange that we are bemoaning the arrival of more high spec buses.
It seems fair to say that Platinum spec is the new norm and that orders for the foreseeable future will be to that spec - which can only be a good thing. You only realise how much nicer these are to travel on when a standard spec vehicle turns up instead.
The trend for high back seats, USB and WiFi is no different to new orders for most operators these days. What remains to be seen is whether the Platinum brand remains long term if it is to become the standard specification for all new orders. At the moment at least it still seems to be a good marketing vehicle.
With a few exceptions the more recent focus has been on high frequency key corridors (50, Harborne, Sutton, Hagley Road) than on how often a bus stops. New vehicles on high profile profitable routes - the same policy as has been the case for some years, which makes sense.
Oh, and one last thing - the X21 is not an express or limited stop route.
Quote from: Jack on November 22, 2018, 05:11:29 PM
I think it's stupid the X21 has branding on Platinums and it's (majority of the time) B7RLE, really poor tbf.
Perhaps once BC receive a few more Platinum vehicles, the X21 will finally become a Platinum route?
Quote from: Mike K on November 22, 2018, 06:23:54 PM
You only realise how much nicer these are to travel on when a standard spec vehicle turns up instead.
That is true. I used to regularly use the X1 and X2 services when I lived in South Yardley, so since I moved to Billesley, its mostly knackered old Tridents on the 2 and 3, so its been something of a 'step back' for me.
But to be honest, I don't really care, while the X1 and X2 was nice to travel on, they may be battered old wrecks, but those Tridents get me to and from where I need to get to, and most of the time I have somewhere to sit.
Quote from: Stu on November 22, 2018, 06:49:45 PM
Perhaps once BC receive a few more Platinum vehicles, the X21 will finally become a Platinum route?
Hahaha that was a good one.
Quote from: Jack on November 22, 2018, 05:11:29 PM
Imo there's too many Platinum routes now. I don't exactly see the reason why the 50 should get them when there's limited stop services still Platinum, but it's ok these routes are neglected, 907, 952, X21... I think it's stupid the X21 has branding on Platinums and it's (majority of the time) B7RLE, really poor tbf.
Anyway with the Camp Hill line reopening what's the point? 50's busy as there's no train along the whole line, but I can see everyone using the train so they aren't being snarled up in Kings Heath and Moseley. I can see usage on the 50 dropping when it does, maybe why Platinums will be arriving?
I know we don't always agree on things, but you're spot on here. Surely express/limited stop services should take priority over regular routes when it comes to platinum "status"
Quote from: Stu on November 22, 2018, 06:49:45 PM
Perhaps once BC receive a few more Platinum vehicles, the X21 will finally become a Platinum route?
That is true. I used to regularly use the X1 and X2 services when I lived in South Yardley, so since I moved to Billesley, its mostly knackered old Tridents on the 2 and 3, so its been something of a 'step back' for me.
But to be honest, I don't really care, while the X1 and X2 was nice to travel on, they may be battered old wrecks, but those Tridents get me to and from where I need to get to, and most of the time I have somewhere to sit.
Tridents > any new platinum/standard MMC... I know I'm extremely biased.
Point taken though, people aren't overly offended by the lack of Wi-Fi/leather seats/charging points on their bus. Getting from A to B is priority, everything else is a "nice to have"
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 22, 2018, 07:05:50 PM
I know we don't always agree on things, but you're spot on here. Surely express/limited stop services should take priority over regular routes when it comes to platinum "status"
Any particular reason why, you think that?
Unlike the other express routes, the 952 isn't really a high profile route.
Quote from: 2206 on November 22, 2018, 07:08:52 PM
Any particular reason why, you think that?
Unlike the other express routes, the 952 isn't really a high profile route.
A higher standard of travel is usually associated with express/limited stop routes. Let's not forget, the 952 was allocated leather seated Omnilinks previously.
Although I agree, the 952 isn't the "highest profile" of routes
Personally I think they should have platinum buses but in the standard crimson livery. Realistically no one cares what the bus looks like, they care about the features. They could easily advertise more comfortable seats and wifi on the side of the bus, but since they have the intention of having all buses in a common livery, this is just making it more difficult to reach that goal. The hybrids were green at first to advertise their eco-friendliness but now they're crimson, and this would make sense for the platinums. Unless they want a whole fleet of grey buses... which is unlikely considering they've added another red livery. Before, they would have stood out, but soon it's going to be the crimson buses that stand out!
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 22, 2018, 07:05:50 PM
I know we don't always agree on things, but you're spot on here. Surely express/limited stop services should take priority over regular routes when it comes to platinum "status"
I don't follow that logic. Take a route like the 9 - if some journeys on that route have an 'X' put in front of them and miss out a handful of stops on the Hagley Road (but in reality still crawl through the same endless traffic as other buses in the rush hour) those paasengers on the X bus are more deserving of better seats, Wifi and USB?
There's also a tendency to lose sight of what many express / Limited Stop routes are in the West Midlands. Sure, you have the X12, X51 and X70 but most of the others either miss out an inner city suburb by using an underpass or expressway but after that are slow, long winded all-stop routes, and others save only a handful of minutes over similar all stop routes. Certainly not express routes in the true sense of the word. And then you have the X20/21/22 which could see NX done under the Trades Description Act.
Quote from: Mike K on November 22, 2018, 07:32:11 PM
I don't follow that logic. Take a route like the 9 - if some journeys on that route have an 'X' put in front of them and miss out a handful of stops on the Hagley Road (but in reality still crawl through the same endless traffic as other buses in the rush hour) those paasengers on the X bus are more deserving of better seats, Wifi and USB?
There's also a tendency to lose sight of what many express / Limited Stop routes are in the West Midlands. Sure, you have the X12, X51 and X70 but most of the others either miss out an inner city suburb by using an underpass or expressway but after that are slow, long winded all-stop routes, and others save only a handful of minutes over similar all stop routes. Certainly not express routes in the true sense of the word. And then you have the X20/21/22 which could see NX done under the Trades Description Act.
The X7 could probably be added to the list with the, X12, X51 and X70, as that misses out a fair amount of the 87 route.
The X20 is limited stop between Selly Oak and Northfield.
Quote from: 2206 on November 22, 2018, 07:53:39 PM
The X20 is limited stop between Selly Oak and Northfield.
X21 and X22 then. It's still definitely not FAST between city and QE.
Quote from: Mike K on November 22, 2018, 07:32:11 PM
I don't follow that logic. Take a route like the 9 - if some journeys on that route have an 'X' put in front of them and miss out a handful of stops on the Hagley Road (but in reality still crawl through the same endless traffic as other buses in the rush hour) those paasengers on the X bus are more deserving of better seats, Wifi and USB?
There's also a tendency to lose sight of what many express / Limited Stop routes are in the West Midlands. Sure, you have the X12, X51 and X70 but most of the others either miss out an inner city suburb by using an underpass or expressway but after that are slow, long winded all-stop routes, and others save only a handful of minutes over similar all stop routes. Certainly not express routes in the true sense of the word. And then you have the X20/21/22 which could see NX done under the Trades Description Act.
It makes perfect sense to me. I just associate express/limited stop routes to a higher standard of travel.
Admittedly most of my travel is via train. If I'm going on a train that doesn't stop at every station, I expect a higher quality of travel compared to an all shacks, get on-get off service.
That's just my two cents anyway, I didn't take the rush hour comment in consideration, regardless of the traffic flow, I'd expect to get home sooner on an express route than an all stopping one, the less stops involved, the higher standard of travel I expect *shrugs*
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 22, 2018, 07:05:50 PM
Point taken though, people aren't overly offended by the lack of Wi-Fi/leather seats/charging points on their bus. Getting from A to B is priority, everything else is a "nice to have"
I will agree with that, I must be one of the few passengers out there who doesn't really care about Wi-Fi or charging points, I don't use either, because I am not glued to my phone 24/7.
While I will put up with old cold buses with uncomfortable seats on a day to day basis, I will admit it is nice when an Enviro400 MMC or Enviro200 MMC randomly gets on the 2 or 3, it does feel like a bit of a treat! ;)
Quote from: 2206 on November 22, 2018, 07:08:52 PM
Unlike the other express routes, the 952 isn't really a high profile route.
High profile or not it's still limited stop. I like how nobody brings up the 907, just shows how neglected it is now. As it's been mentioned it had the leather seated Omnilinks for a couple of years. I agree with some others, imo a Platinum bus should highlight its limited stop/express service.
Just a quick question would the route branding for the new route look like the Emerald 22
Quote from: The Real 4778 on November 22, 2018, 11:45:39 AM
Reflect and review before posting, unless this is a joke!
The only reason - then you give three!
There are at least ten generally accepted reasons for modal choice, but let's not allow facts to get in the way hey!
He missed an 's' off reasons but you split an infinitive big time - equally valid grammatical errors really!!
You are right about modal choice but some reasons are more important than others - Trident has picked headlines I'd say - I'd also say he's not a professional transport planner 😏
Quote from: Tony on November 21, 2018, 10:27:31 PM
Yes for new buses
That's interesting - will thus include single deckers (like Arriva does with Sapphire?)
Quote from: Jack on November 22, 2018, 08:34:24 PM
I like how nobody brings up the 907, just shows how neglected it is now.
I agree with you, the 907 is my route and it has been neglected for years, I remember speaking to an inspector last year about it and he said the only important part of the route is between College Road/Kingstanding Road and New Oscott (Tesco) because New Oscott to Sutton has the 5 as the most important route and Perry Barr to City has the 33 and 934-7 seen as the important routes. This is why it has been left to rot.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 22, 2018, 09:50:00 PM
I agree with you, the 907 is my route and it has been neglected for years, I remember speaking to an inspector last year about it and he said the only important part of the route is between College Road/Kingstanding Road and New Oscott (Tesco) because New Oscott to Sutton has the 5 as the most important route and Perry Barr to City has the 33 and 934-7 seen as the important routes. This is why it has been left to rot.
In what way is the 907 neglected?
Quote from: B.C Driver on November 23, 2018, 11:56:21 AM
In what way is the 907 neglected?
I was thinking the same. My son used it for two years to get to B-Met from the Beggars Bush stop, and apart from the 4777-81 staple diet, there are plenty of Platinums kicked out onto it.
He never complained about it, even during the periods of heavy snowfall last winter.
It might feel like a Cinderella route because it doesn't use the 'main road' (i.e. via Six Ways), and it's alone up College Road since the demise of the 42 and 113, but it's not exactly neglected or forgotten in reality.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on November 23, 2018, 12:45:22 PM
I was thinking the same. My son used it for two years to get to B-Met from the Beggars Bush stop, and apart from the 4777-81 staple diet, there are plenty of Platinums kicked out onto it.
He never complained about it, even during the periods of heavy snowfall last winter.
It might feel like a Cinderella route because it doesn't use the 'main road' (i.e. via Six Ways), and it's alone up College Road since the demise of the 42 and 113, but it's not exactly neglected or forgotten in reality.
I was thinking the same, I mean after all, since it was the 107 it is now upgraded to limited stop, benefiting from using the Six Ways underpass and Birchfield Rd fly over resulting in quicker journey times. Granted there arnt Platinums on it all the time, but it regually gets them, which is more than could be said for many other routes...
If anything the passengers at Six Ways Aston have been neglected, once having FIVE routes into City stopping there (33, 51, 52, 107 and 113) - now only having TWO routes into City non of which are Platinum.
Quote from: B.C Driver on November 23, 2018, 01:02:26 PM
I was thinking the same, I mean after all, since it was the 107 it is now upgraded to limited stop, benefiting from using the Six Ways underpass and Birchfield Rd fly over resulting in quicker journey times. Granted there arnt Platinums on it all the time, but it regually gets them, which is more than could be said for many other routes...
If anything the passengers at Six Ways Aston have been neglected, once having FIVE routes into City stopping there (33, 51, 52, 107 and 113) - now only having TWO routes into City non of which are Platinum.
Now the 67 65 and 94 since moved to PB are neglected compared to the 907 . Had to get that in there.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 23, 2018, 02:15:14 PM
Now the 67 65 and 94 since moved to PB are neglected compared to the 907 . Had to get that in there.
Completely forgot about castle vale services ,remember the brand new merc 0405n,s replacing the metros on the 65 and the outcry that they were totally inadequate for passenger numbers, soon replaced by ALX400 B7TL,s probably the last time it had new buses I think.
67 we all know what happen with the great white elephant that was the bendi bus .
One would have thought these services would be candiate for refurbed 4800/4900s at least.
It's strange how everyone has their favourite route that they think is neglected, yes other posts are complaining that routes don't deserve new buses because high spec buses shouldn't be on them.
Some routes have to be operated by 15 year old Geminii and it isn't going to be a route at a garage that doesn't currently operate Volvo B7s because of the training costs of both drivers and engineers
Quote from: B.C Driver on November 23, 2018, 01:02:26 PM
I was thinking the same, I mean after all, since it was the 107 it is now upgraded to limited stop, benefiting from using the Six Ways underpass and Birchfield Rd fly over resulting in quicker journey times. Granted there arnt Platinums on it all the time, but it regually gets them, which is more than could be said for many other routes...
If anything the passengers at Six Ways Aston have been neglected, once having FIVE routes into City stopping there (33, 51, 52, 107 and 113) - now only having TWO routes into City non of which are Platinum.
There was the 34 too so that makes six.
The 907 is prone to late running, it serves traffic hot spots, New Oscott which can take ages to get through. Perry Barr at the Crown and Cushion island and the Bull Street stop, fighting for the stop. Sutton can be a pain at times.
The 907 needs something doing, so does the 952 as they both are dying.
Confirmed that NXC are due 10 new Electric buses (I assume BYD/E200MMC's as per the one on trial).
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/silent-electric-buses-coming-street-15450471?fbclid=IwAR1GWAbGhzTCDD61gNFJ8Gb18BcpHlWBggqMAgXUtAb11FzBsQvPZbOc54E
Interesting the article says some of these new buses for Solihull, so the cynic in me says that will be yet ANOTHER upgrade for the Warwick Rd corridor when other main Rd BUSY corridors in Brum , haven't had decent new buses assigned for Christ knows how long as just get cast offs. Nx bus appears to operate a bit like a Tory government poor fair distribution of resources. Right rant over presentation to finish before the weekend. Happy days.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 23, 2018, 04:47:28 PM
Interesting the article says some of these new buses for Solihull, so the cynic in me says that will be yet ANOTHER upgrade for the Warwick Rd corridor when other main Rd BUSY corridors in Brum , haven't had decent new buses assigned for Christ knows how long as just get cast offs. Nx bus appears to operate a bit like a Tory government poor fair distribution of resources. Right rant over presentation to finish before the weekend. Happy days.
No, Warwick Road has been suggested as a possible choice of route for the Hydrogen Fuel Cell buses in partnership with Birmingham City Council and a purpose built depot in Tyseley. New buses get allocated to the routes that generate the most profit, could stimulate passenger growth or in the case of the Electrics / Hydrogen Fuel Cell, areas that were awarded the grant money in the first place / pass through the most polluted areas of the WM.
Not allocated to suit an individual's local route.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 23, 2018, 04:47:28 PM
Interesting the article says some of these new buses for Solihull, so the cynic in me says that will be yet ANOTHER upgrade for the Warwick Rd corridor when other main Rd BUSY corridors in Brum , haven't had decent new buses assigned for Christ knows how long as just get cast offs. Nx bus appears to operate a bit like a Tory government poor fair distribution of resources. Right rant over presentation to finish before the weekend. Happy days.
It doesn't say in that article that the Warwick Road is being upgraded, all it says is there will be some operating in Birmingham and Solihull.
Even if the Warwick Road was to get an upgrade it would still free up a fleet of nearly new vehicles, for those other routes elsewhere in the Midlands. Maybe even the Washwood Heath Rd (55).
Quote from: Winston on November 23, 2018, 04:26:44 PM
Confirmed that NXC are due 10 new Electric buses (I assume BYD/E200MMC's as per the one on trial).
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/silent-electric-buses-coming-street-15450471?fbclid=IwAR1GWAbGhzTCDD61gNFJ8Gb18BcpHlWBggqMAgXUtAb11FzBsQvPZbOc54E
Does anyone know when they are due? Will it be next year at some point?
Are the hydrogen vehicles for Birmingham and Solihulll also due to arrive next year?
At one point it was orriginally stated "March 2019" in an article.
Quote from: Winston on November 23, 2018, 04:26:44 PM
Confirmed that NXC are due 10 new Electric buses (I assume BYD/E200MMC's as per the one on trial).
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/silent-electric-buses-coming-street-15450471?fbclid=IwAR1GWAbGhzTCDD61gNFJ8Gb18BcpHlWBggqMAgXUtAb11FzBsQvPZbOc54E
I note the "within 18 months" - so presumably 2019 (or even 2020). Presumably there is a requirement for more single deckers at Coventry, unless ten older E200's or Volvo B7RLE/Wright's leave when these arrive.
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 23, 2018, 05:18:03 PM
I note the "within 18 months" - so presumably 2019 (or even 2020). Presumably there is a requirement for more single deckers at Coventry, unless ten older E200's or Volvo B7RLE/Wright's leave when these arrive.
Wasn't there some sort of an agreement that Coventry were going to get 15 environmentally friendly hybrids in 2014 order?
Quote from: Sayeed on November 23, 2018, 05:52:32 PM
Wasn't there some sort of an agreement that Coventry were going to get 15 environmentally friendly hybrids in 2014 order?
I'm not sure - but on my own notes, NXWM were expecting to receive '19 Electric buses' (are these 10 part of the 19?).
On a similar theme - are the 10 x Wrights HEV96 gyro drive Hybrid and 22 x Fuel Cell buses still coming? Its all gone quiet on those.
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 23, 2018, 05:59:09 PM
I'm not sure - but on my own notes, NXWM were expecting to receive '19 Electric buses' (are these 10 part of the 19?).
On a similar theme - are the 10 x Wrights HEV96 gyro drive Hybrid and 22 x Fuel Cell buses still coming? Its all gone quiet on those.
I think the Wright Gyro Drive project got scrapped.
Quote from: Winston on November 23, 2018, 06:13:35 PM
I think the Wright Gyro Drive project got scrapped.
There was to be 550 ADL buses purchased over a 4-5 year period - have we hit that target yet?! Must be getting close.
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 23, 2018, 06:54:08 PM
There was to be 550 ADL buses purchased over a 4-5 year period - have we hit that target yet?! Must be getting close.
315 E400MMC (to 6967); 50 E200 MMC; 59 E200; 82 E400 (from 4914)
506 vehicles
These are West Midlands/Coventry - not sure if the Dundee Emeralds are included also.
I thought the total contract was 600 vehicles.
Quote from: Tony on November 23, 2018, 03:37:10 PM
It's strange how everyone has their favourite route that they think is neglected, yes other posts are complaining that routes don't deserve new buses because high spec buses shouldn't be on them.
Some routes have to be operated by 15 year old Geminii and it isn't going to be a route at a garage that doesn't currently operate Volvo B7s because of the training costs of both drivers and engineers
A lot of the arguments on here are missing the key point
Decent seating, WiFi and USB charging ports are standard on new buses these days. So why do new buses have to be "Platinum"? The fleet livery is Crimson, what's the point ordering new buses as Platinum? Yes advertise the features of new buses but there is literally no point having the livery for it now that the features are the norm
Quote from: Kevin on November 23, 2018, 09:05:11 PM
A lot of the arguments on here are missing the key point
Decent seating, WiFi and USB charging ports are standard on new buses these days. So why do new buses have to be "Platinum"? The fleet livery is Crimson, what's the point ordering new buses as Platinum? Yes advertise the features of new buses but there is literally no point having the livery for it now that the features are the norm
I guess in this transitional period – where red/white buses are still going in for Crimsoning – the Platinum livery/brand is vital to keep a visual divide, so to speak, between the buses that offers these features to those that don't.
Additionally, while I agree with your point (for the most part), I wouldn't want the fleet to turn into another premium-service-gone-to-pot ordeal. Take Arriva, for example. Not slating their service, but with the majority of their current fleet being/been retrofitted with USB charging points and on-board WiFi – it leaves little differentiation between the 'normal' service, if you will, and that of a *supposedly* higher quality Sapphire service. And while on this topic, whatever happened to Arriva MAX? More to the point, what was that?! ??? No doubt if new NX orders were delivered in Crimson, while still offering Platinum features, bus users using the older bare vehicles would feel, to quote, a bit hard done by.
Just to throw in my twopence, I think new buses – regardless of their allocation – should be a win-win for all. But to immediately contradict my point, I was a little taken aback when I discovered the 50 will be going Platinum. Wouldn't expect a new investment for another few years... Regarding the dilution of NX's Platinum brand, I'll admit that I do feel the same – but mostly due to the buses carrying around adverts and such. It's not the most dire problem, but I think it detracts from the overall aesthetic of a "premium" brand.
I still wonder why WiFi wasn't added to the BC Hybrids. I mean the next stop announcements aren't even advertised on the livery which is quite poor in my opinion.
Also perhaps adding WiFi to the 400 MMC/200 MMC for the 11A/C & 4/4A respectively would be a good touch, perhaps also with next stop announcements.
As has already been said things like WiFi on the buses these days is pretty much the norm and it wouldn't devalue the Platinum brand exactly. It would only help drive up patronage surely.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 24, 2018, 06:55:47 AM
I still wonder why WiFi wasn't added to the BC Hybrids. I mean the next stop announcements aren't even advertised on the livery which is quite poor in my opinion.
Also perhaps adding WiFi to the 400 MMC/200 MMC for the 11A/C & 4/4A respectively would be a good touch, perhaps also with next stop announcements.
As has already been said things like WiFi on the buses these days is pretty much the norm and it wouldn't devalue the Platinum brand exactly. It would only help drive up patronage surely.
There's already a precedent too, with the E200s for the 54/54A to Stafford having WiFi. It was advertised externally but I'm not sure if it still is now that they've been crimsoned.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 24, 2018, 06:55:47 AM
I still wonder why WiFi wasn't added to the BC Hybrids. I mean the next stop announcements aren't even advertised on the livery which is quite poor in my opinion.
Also perhaps adding WiFi to the 400 MMC/200 MMC for the 11A/C & 4/4A respectively would be a good touch, perhaps also with next stop announcements.
As has already been said things like WiFi on the buses these days is pretty much the norm and it wouldn't devalue the Platinum brand exactly. It would only help drive up patronage surely.
I agree, maybe add WiFi and next stop announcements to the E200 MMC on the 6 as well.
Quote from: 2206 on November 24, 2018, 09:57:43 AM
I agree, maybe add WiFi and next stop announcements to the E200 MMC on the 6 as well.
Yes, the 6 too. With regards to the YW 6, the leaflets after the South Birmingham changes teased a purple branding for it which hasn't happened.
Quote from: Kevin on November 23, 2018, 09:05:11 PM
A lot of the arguments on here are missing the key point
Decent seating, WiFi and USB charging ports are standard on new buses these days. So why do new buses have to be "Platinum"? The fleet livery is Crimson, what's the point ordering new buses as Platinum? Yes advertise the features of new buses but there is literally no point having the livery for it now that the features are the norm
Good points...
Quote from: StourValley98 on November 24, 2018, 08:28:49 AM
There's already a precedent too, with the E200s for the 54/54A to Stafford having WiFi. It was advertised externally but I'm not sure if it still is now that they've been crimsoned.
Havent kept a close eye on the 54's since the last change, but are the same buses still used, because I thought it was interworked with other services, & whatever those routes used?
Quote from: Kevin on November 23, 2018, 09:05:11 PM
A lot of the arguments on here are missing the key point
Decent seating, WiFi and USB charging ports are standard on new buses these days. So why do new buses have to be "Platinum"? The fleet livery is Crimson, what's the point ordering new buses as Platinum? Yes advertise the features of new buses but there is literally no point having the livery for it now that the features are the norm
The fleet livery is both Crimson & Platinum, there are two liveries. By maintaining 'Platinum' livery & brand for higher spec buses, it will promote routes externally such as the 9 & 50 that already have Crimson E400MMC's, to illustrate they've received another fleet upgrade.
Quote from: Westy on November 24, 2018, 01:29:15 PM
Havent kept a close eye on the 54's since the last change, but are the same buses still used, because I thought it was interworked with other services, & whatever those routes used?
Yes 853/4 are used.
All 75 registrations for the E400MMCs are now on the main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html
Quote from: Tony on November 25, 2018, 02:00:09 PM
All 75 registrations for the E400MMCs are now on the main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html
Are 6952 -67 being built at the other factory as they have YX68 prefixes?
@Tony
Although the Platinum features are to be expected on all new deliveries I feel the platinum brand is being devalued. Instead of having all platinums I would have platinums and new crimson buses with half of the features:
Crimson - High Back Seats, Free WiFi, Next Stop Announcements
Platinum - All of the above &: Partial Leather seats, Extra Legroom, USB Chargers
Some of the crimson fleet have the features above but no crimson buses have the other features. I would leave out legroom because it reduces capacity especially on main corridors; also I would leave out chargers and Partial Leather in order to not detract from platinum. By doing this the platinum brand isn't devalued whilst the new bus deliveries are enhanced for standard corridors. I feel Platinum should be kept for Express, Long Distance, & very high valued services.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on November 25, 2018, 02:37:37 PM
Although the Platinum features are to be expected on all new deliveries I feel the platinum brand is being devalued. Instead of having all platinums I would have platinums and new crimson buses with half of the features:
Crimson - High Back Seats, Free WiFi, Next Stop Announcements
Platinum - All of the above &: Partial Leather seats, Extra Legroom, USB Chargers
Some of the crimson fleet have the features above but no crimson buses have the other features. I would leave out legroom because it reduces capacity especially on main corridors; also I would leave out chargers and Partial Leather in order to not detract from platinum. By doing this the platinum brand isn't devalued whilst the new bus deliveries are enhanced for standard corridors. I feel Platinum should be kept for Express, Long Distance, & very high valued services.
So you think all passengers don't deserve the same quality of new buses?
Quote from: Squiz1971 on November 25, 2018, 02:37:30 PM
Are 6952 -67 being built at the other factory as they have YX68 prefixes? @Tony
Yes. They are the Scarborough vehicles
Quote from: Tony on November 25, 2018, 02:57:13 PM
So you think all passengers don't deserve the same quality of new buses?
Yes that's a bit of a silly statement. So your suggesting services such as PB 54 and PN 28 should have platinum features?
Not at all. That's a ridiculous statement. Never mind new orders what about neglected routes, never getting new vehicles, what about those passengers? My suggestion is to keep the platinum brand separate, whilst still enhancing new orders of standard buses. If anything it would promote new routes but also would mean that the platinum brand is viewed as a higher quality. No point having a - high quality brand - that just gets lumped on any route. By keeping platinum separate it will promote express routes, and long-distance services. If platinum buses are ordered for short journey commuter routes what is the point in having usb sockets? For 10 minute journeys? Or what's the point in having WiFi on commuter services where people can't get a seat? This is why my suggestion is as such: to improve new bus orders but to only have certain features on the Platinum brand where they will actually benefit customers.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 25, 2018, 03:00:03 PM
Yes that's a bit of a silly statement. So your suggesting services such as PB 54 and PN 28 should have platinum features?
Why is it silly, yes those passengers do deserve the same features when their fleet get renewed
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on November 25, 2018, 03:06:52 PM
Not at all. That's a ridiculous statement. Never mind new orders what about neglected routes, never getting new vehicles, what about those passengers? My suggestion is to keep the platinum brand separate, whilst still enhancing new orders of standard buses. If anything it would promote new routes but also would mean that the platinum brand is viewed as a higher quality. No point having a - high quality brand - that just gets lumped on any route. By keeping platinum separate it will promote express routes, and long-distance services. If platinum buses are ordered for short journey commuter routes what is the point in having usb sockets? For 10 minute journeys? Or what's the point in having WiFi on commuter services where people can't get a seat? This is why my suggestion is as such: to improve new bus orders but to only have certain features on the Platinum brand where they will actually benefit customers.
You said some of the new buses shouldn't have all the features of platinum. Which of the 50, 9, X10, X70, 11 & 12X passengers do you think don't deserve full platinums?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on November 25, 2018, 03:06:52 PM
Not at all. That's a ridiculous statement. Never mind new orders what about neglected routes, never getting new vehicles, what about those passengers? My suggestion is to keep the platinum brand separate, whilst still enhancing new orders of standard buses. If anything it would promote new routes but also would mean that the platinum brand is viewed as a higher quality. No point having a - high quality brand - that just gets lumped on any route. By keeping platinum separate it will promote express routes, and long-distance services. If platinum buses are ordered for short journey commuter routes what is the point in having usb sockets? For 10 minute journeys? Or what's the point in having WiFi on commuter services where people can't get a seat? This is why my suggestion is as such: to improve new bus orders but to only have certain features on the Platinum brand where they will actually benefit customers.
As new bus orders are only replacing approx. 5% of the fleet this year, they will be allocated when the best returns on their investment can be achieved or where emission rule changes dictate. 75 new buses can only update so many routes in anyone year. There are no short journey commuter routes, most people check their phones at every possible moment they have the opportunity.
Platinum has already deviated away from solely being the brand for express routes, the Platinum features will benefit any type of route and are design to make the environment of the bus more comfortable, offering extra features and hopefully increase ridership.
Quote from: Winston on November 25, 2018, 03:21:50 PM
As new bus orders are only replacing approx. 5% of the fleet this year, they will be allocated when the best returns on their investment can be achieved or where emission rule changes dictate. 75 new buses can only update so many routes in anyone year. There are no short journey commuter routes, most people check their phones at every possible moment they have the opportunity.
Platinum has already deviated away from solely being the brand for express routes, the Platinum features benefit any type of bus routes and are design to make the environment of the bus more comfortable, offering extra features and hopefully increase ridership.
Am I right in saying all platinum routes enter city centre? No coincidence there?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on November 25, 2018, 03:06:52 PM
Not at all. That's a ridiculous statement. Never mind new orders what about neglected routes, never getting new vehicles, what about those passengers? My suggestion is to keep the platinum brand separate, whilst still enhancing new orders of standard buses. If anything it would promote new routes but also would mean that the platinum brand is viewed as a higher quality. No point having a - high quality brand - that just gets lumped on any route. By keeping platinum separate it will promote express routes, and long-distance services. If platinum buses are ordered for short journey commuter routes what is the point in having usb sockets? For 10 minute journeys? Or what's the point in having WiFi on commuter services where people can't get a seat? This is why my suggestion is as such: to improve new bus orders but to only have certain features on the Platinum brand where they will actually benefit customers.
Just because they're expreess doesn't mean your on the bus for longer.
There will be passengers on a route such as the X70 making a 10 minute journey from the City Centre to Bromford. Just because its express does not mean they're on the bus for any longer than a passenger making a journey on a non express route like the X22 from the City Centre to University.
Most routes see use from commuters, even express routes, its been said by some you never get a seat on the express X51.
How will taking away features such as USB plugs "benefit" passengers?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 25, 2018, 03:23:11 PM
Am I right in saying all platinum routes enter city centre? No coincidence there?
No, your wrong. The 529 doesn't neither will the NXC's 11 & 12
It's also Birmingham City Centre that introduced the emission rules early and they are now ahead of other areas.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 25, 2018, 03:23:11 PM
Am I right in saying all platinum routes enter city centre? No coincidence there?
If you are referring to Birmingham City Centre - No
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 25, 2018, 03:23:11 PM
Am I right in saying all platinum routes enter city centre? No coincidence there?
No, they do not all enter Birmingham City Centre.
529 and 11/11U/12X.
Has it not occured to you that there are lots of bus routes into Birmingham City Centre, more than there are into a place like Halesowen and it is a very busy place, with lots of key high frequency busy routes, which is why lots of them do serve the City Centre and ontop of that there is the emission zone in Birmingham City Centre.
Quote from: Winston on November 25, 2018, 03:24:06 PM
No, your wrong. The 529 doesn't neither will the NXC's 11 & 12
Okay so the 529 is basically the only one. I don't include Coventry into this. The 529 is a express/ direct route, so does justify the brand in my opinion. However out of the 300 platinum vehicles there are only 25-30 that are used on outer city routes. Says a lot about where the moneys being made- in the city centre
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 25, 2018, 03:26:57 PM
Okay so the 529 is basically the only one. I don't include Coventry into this. The 529 is a express/ direct route, so does justify the brand in my opinion. However out of the 300 platinum vehicles there are only 25-30 that are used on outer city routes. Says a lot about where the moneys being made- in the city centre
The 529 is 'a express' route??????
Yes of course the money is made on routes into a city centre, same as every city in the world
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 25, 2018, 03:26:57 PM
Okay so the 529 is basically the only one. I don't include Coventry into this. The 529 is a express/ direct route, so does justify the brand in my opinion. However out of the 300 platinum vehicles there are only 25-30 that are used on outer city routes. Says a lot about where the moneys being made- in the city centre
Th 529 isn't express and neither was the 126, they are both full stopping services.
As the majority of routes radiate from Birmingham City Centre and that's where the majority of the 1500+ strong work, that's why most of the Platinum's are where they are.
Quote from: Tony on November 25, 2018, 03:30:31 PM
The 529 is 'a express' route??????
Yes of course the money is made on routes into a city centre, same as every city in the world
Well it's most direct route out of all of them? So only if you travel into city centre should you be treated to nice buses?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 25, 2018, 03:38:26 PM
Well it's most direct route out of all of them? So only if you travel into city centre should you be treated to nice buses?
Most platinum routes go to the City Centre as thats where lots of routes start from, being a very big and busy place.
Not all passengers on those routes are travelling to the City Centre either, you have passengers on the X1 who benefit, but are travelling between the Airport and Swan only, they get platinum buses and don't travel into the City Centre, there are lots of other examples as well.
Quote from: 2206 on November 25, 2018, 03:42:14 PM
Most platinum routes go to the City Centre as thats where lots of routes start from, being a very big and busy place.
Not all passengers on those routes are travelling to the City Centre either, you have passengers on the X1 who benefit travelling between the Airport and Swan, they get platinum buses and don't travel into the City Centre, there are lots of other examples as well.
How may people travelling out of Walsall on the 997 go to Birmingham City Centre? - nil normally
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 25, 2018, 03:38:26 PM
Well it's most direct route out of all of them? So only if you travel into city centre should you be treated to nice buses?
What routes do you consider should upgraded to Platinum then?
Quote from: Tony on November 25, 2018, 03:44:59 PM
How may people travelling out of Walsall on the 997 go to Birmingham City Centre? - nil normally
Unless they decide to take the scenic route! ;)
Probably a daft question, but will 6701-58 ever get charging points retrofitted? ???
Quote from: Tony on November 25, 2018, 02:58:26 PM
Yes. They are the Scarborough vehicles
Ok Tony thanks couldn't remember where the other ADL factory was
Quote from: Winston on November 25, 2018, 03:46:14 PM
What routes do you consider should upgraded to Platinum then?
I consider only express services to be in a platinum livery. E.g: x1,x2 x7,x8,x10,x3,x4,x5,x51. I don't quite understand why the x12 is platinum- express for about 10 mins then goes around the houses. Into chelmsley in same time as 94. They should get rid of the X, same with x20,x21,x22.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 25, 2018, 04:05:22 PM
I consider only express services to be in a platinum livery. E.g: x1,x2 x7,x8,x10,x3,x4,x5,x51. I don't quite understand why the x12 is platinum- express for about 10 mins then goes around the houses. Into chelmsley in same time as 94. They should get rid of the X, same with x20,x21,x22.
The X12 additionally serves an important connection with the Airport/NEC and Solihull Station/Solihull Town Centre. X20/X21/X22, serve an important connection with the Uni of Birmingham/QE and City Centre as well as connecting outer areas as well Selly Oak, Bartley Green, Northfield, etc with places such as the QE and City Centre.
So passengers on there don't deserve platinum buses, because it goes "round the houses".
Just because your on a limited stop service doesn't mean your on the bus for longer.
So I personally don't understand that logic, that only express routes deserve platinum buses, it has also been said, that the features you see on platinum vehicles are now becomming standard for lots of operators across the country.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 25, 2018, 04:05:22 PM
I consider only express services to be in a platinum livery. E.g: x1,x2 x7,x8,x10,x3,x4,x5,x51. I don't quite understand why the x12 is platinum- express for about 10 mins then goes around the houses. Into chelmsley in same time as 94. They should get rid of the X, same with x20,x21,x22.
They are already Platinum, that isn't what I asked.
Quote from: Winston on November 25, 2018, 04:11:02 PM
They are already Platinum, that isn't what I asked.
Exactly what I'm saying. These routes shouldn't have been made platinum to start with. As proposed by many others just have nice crimson vehicles without the livery.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 25, 2018, 04:05:22 PM
I consider only express services to be in a platinum livery. E.g: x1,x2 x7,x8,x10,x3,x4,x5,x51. I don't quite understand why the x12 is platinum- express for about 10 mins then goes around the houses. Into chelmsley in same time as 94. They should get rid of the X, same with x20,x21,x22.
Well that shows how much you know then. The X12 has a longer non-stop run than any you mention except the X51
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 25, 2018, 04:13:14 PM
Exactly what I'm saying. These routes shouldn't have been made platinum to start with. As proposed by many others just have nice crimson vehicles without the livery.
So you think National Express shouldn't be trying to attract extra passengers onto those routes?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 25, 2018, 04:13:14 PM
Exactly what I'm saying. These routes shouldn't have been made platinum to start with. As proposed by many others just have nice crimson vehicles without the livery.
You were originally arguing that it was only Birmingham routes that got Platinum upgrades, suggesting you had other/better ideas where the new buses should be going, hence my original question.
Normally, you would see more routes benefit from cascades, but because the decision has been made to upgrade the Outer Circle with 3 year old Crimson E400MMC's, with it's high PVR that route alone will gobble up more then 50% of available cascades. But it is an important route, that will benefit many even though it doesn't enter the City Centre.
@Trident 4194 do you actually use your brain? Or just get a kick out of arguements?
The fact the X21 has been left without new Platinums is hysterical, yet the 9 and 50 are getting them...
Even though this sounds daft as the X70 is getting Platinum's, how is it even a key route? I can't see a route being every 30 minutes a key route...
So as 'non express' routes (9 and 50) are getting Platniums why can't other 'non express' routes not get them that are overdue an upgrade? 65/67, 72 and 94 etc.
Quote from: Tony on November 25, 2018, 04:17:05 PM
So you think National Express shouldn't be trying to attract extra passengers onto those routes?
Can I also mention the fact that there are two different platinum vehicles with different features. E.g: the ones at AG, WA,PN that don't have plug sockets, nor the micro hybrid engine? Wouldn't it be a good idea to repaint there into crimson livery? Where are the 6701-6718 vehicles even going now?
Quote from: Jack on November 25, 2018, 04:34:50 PM
The fact the X21 has been left without new Platinums is hysterical, yet the 9 and 50 are getting them...
Even though this sounds daft as the X70 is getting Platinum's, how is it even a key route? I can't see a route being every 30 minutes a key route...
So as 'non express' routes (9 and 50) are getting Platniums why can't other 'non express' routes not get them that are overdue an upgrade? 65/67, 72 and 94 etc.
To try and attract new passengers onto the X70?
The 65, 67, 72, 97 and 94 are using old buses, but NX have to use them somewhere. There has been lots of red and white ex 11 branded Gemini and a few ALX400 on the 72 recently.
They may well get an upgrade one day. The 11 is currently using elderly double decks being a key route and will soon be benefitting from a fleet of nearly new MMC.
Quote from: Jack on November 25, 2018, 04:34:50 PM
The fact the X21 has been left without new Platinums is hysterical, yet the 9 and 50 are getting them...
Even though this sounds daft as the X70 is getting Platinum's, how is it even a key route? I can't see a route being every 30 minutes a key route...
So as 'non express' routes (9 and 50) are getting Platniums why can't other 'non express' routes not get them that are overdue an upgrade? 65/67, 72 and 94 etc.
It's already been said with BC expecting another 6 x Platinum's more than the X70 needs, there will be more spare to covert the X21 to Platinum.
Because only 5% of the NXWM fleet is being replaced this year and they wanted the Crimson E400MMC's off the 9 & 50 to upgrade the Outer Circle, replacing anything off the routes you suggest would not release suitable cascades.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 25, 2018, 04:36:55 PM
Can I also mention the fact that there are two different platinum vehicles with different features. E.g: the ones at AG, WA,PN that don't have plug sockets, nor the micro hybrid engine? Wouldn't it be a good idea to repaint there into crimson livery? Where are the 6701-6718 vehicles even going now?
6701-10 will be staying at AG, I assume 6711-18 will top up WA's allocation on Platinum's from the same batch & possibly a few extra for AG? As there's not enough for the X12 either.
Quote from: Tony on November 25, 2018, 04:17:05 PM
So you think National Express shouldn't be trying to attract extra passengers onto those routes?
Personally, I don't understand why they have to be grey? The buses can still have those features without being grey... it's easy to advertise free wifi on the side of a bus, and make it clear, but making a bus grey may not mean anything to a lot of people. They're painting buses crimson, but adding platinum buses, so what is the ultimate goal? To have a crimson and grey fleet? The hybrids were advertised by being green at first, but once they became a normal sight, they got painted into crimson. And this is what I think should happen with the platinums.
Quote from: Bus1237 on November 25, 2018, 05:14:07 PM
Personally, I don't understand why they have to be grey? The buses can still have those features without being grey... it's easy to advertise free wifi on the side of a bus, and make it clear, but making a bus grey may not mean anything to a lot of people. They're painting buses crimson, but adding platinum buses, so what is the ultimate goal? To have a crimson and grey fleet? The hybrids were advertised by being green at first, but once they became a normal sight, they got painted into crimson. And this is what I think should happen with the platinums.
NX owned Kings Ferry run two different liveries, their highest spec coaches are painted in grey VIP livery, I assume that's where the inspiration for the Platinum colours could have come from.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/69870962@N02/43924210691
https://www.flickr.com/photos/59115230@N06/42880386610
People will notice the Platinum upgrades on the 9 & 50 before stepping inside, if they were another batch of Crimson's, they wouldn't stand out as much to the rest of the fleet.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 25, 2018, 03:23:11 PM
Am I right in saying all platinum routes enter city centre? No coincidence there?
529 doesn't
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on November 25, 2018, 06:12:59 PM
529 doesn't
That was why I specified Birmingham in my reply.
The 529 does enter the City Centre
Who cares where the new buses get allocated! End of the day it's the decision of NX management where to invest the new buses NOT bus enthusiasts! It annoys me that people say oh the 94, 952 and X21 etc are being neglected, NX does not have an infinite amount of money to spend on new buses!
Please for the love god JUST BE HAPPY THAT THERE ARE NEW VEHICLES THIS YEAR!!!!!
Rant over
https://nxbus.co.uk/platinum/
Looks like the list has finally been updated. Not sure why the ☓21 has been included though.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 25, 2018, 04:13:14 PM
Exactly what I'm saying. These routes shouldn't have been made platinum to start with. As proposed by many others just have nice crimson vehicles without the livery.
Every bus company is a business that has to make a profit for its shareholders and so will allocate new vehicles to the routes that it will gain the most profit from. NXWM have decided that all new double deckers will use the Platinum brand whether the routes they are used on are limited stop or normal stopping services.
The features on Platinum vehicles will hopefully attract even more customers than that currently use those routes even if the route stops at every other lamp post.
Eventually every NXWM route could become Platinum when the existing Platinum vehicles are cascaded for the second or third time, but in all probability, a new brand will be introduced for the highest performing routes before that happens, so the process will start again.
Quote from: Ian Hardy on November 25, 2018, 08:12:39 PM
Every bus company is a business that has to make a profit for its shareholders and so will allocate new vehicles to the routes that it will gain the most profit from. NXWM have decided that all new double deckers will use the Platinum brand whether the routes they are used on are limited stop or normal stopping services.
The features on Platinum vehicles will hopefully attract even more customers than that currently use those routes even if the route stops at every other lamp post.
Eventually every NXWM route could become Platinum when the existing Platinum vehicles are cascaded for the second or third time, but in all probability, a new brand will be introduced for the highest performing routes before that happens, so the process will start again.
It usually happens when a new type of bus appears, the brand has a bad name or there's a new face at the helm:)
Change of subject because the X70 will be going platinum will we get the one trident that starts on there that goes onto the 70 then the 14
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on November 25, 2018, 06:32:27 PM
Who cares where the new buses get allocated! End of the day it's the decision of NX management where to invest the new buses NOT bus enthusiasts! It annoys me that people say oh the 94, 952 and X21 etc are being neglected, NX does not have an infinite amount of money to spend on new buses!
Please for the love god JUST BE HAPPY THAT THERE ARE NEW VEHICLES THIS YEAR!!!!!
Rant over
If I'm being honest, I much prefer these discussions than arguments over noteworthy workings.
The most interest part of new buses to me, aren't the new buses themselves - as good as Platinum MMCs are, new buses are just dull to me - its the cascades.
I'm much more interested to see what will happen to the E400s that currently work the 11/12
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 25, 2018, 07:18:12 PM
https://nxbus.co.uk/platinum/
Looks like the list has finally been updated. Not sure why the ☓21 has been included though.
I don't either...
If some of 6711-6718 come to WA, could this see off the remaining 41** at WA? Also displace some 43** to WN to see off their remaining 41**?
Well there we go a branded platinum already for the 50
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2228097797229910&id=100000891349091&set=gm.2181656965421992&source=48&ref=m_notif¬if_t=group_activity
Credit to Liam bishop for the photo
A picture of 6902 is on Facebook complete with blue 50 branding. Similar style to the Dundee 22 branding. Looks great apart from USB charging branding within the ad frame which will soon be covered over with a T ad
It's in the style as the tfwm does this confirm that the 50 will be a joint operation
Quote from: Ian Hardy on November 25, 2018, 08:12:39 PM
Every bus company is a business that has to make a profit for its shareholders and so will allocate new vehicles to the routes that it will gain the most profit from. NXWM have decided that all new double deckers will use the Platinum brand whether the routes they are used on are limited stop or normal stopping services.
The features on Platinum vehicles will hopefully attract even more customers than that currently use those routes even if the route stops at every other lamp post.
Eventually every NXWM route could become Platinum when the existing Platinum vehicles are cascaded for the second or third time, but in all probability, a new brand will be introduced for the highest performing routes before that happens, so the process will start again.
Depending on the age of the vehicle, wouldn't it get a repaint into standard livery at some point?
The Timesavers did!
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 25, 2018, 08:42:23 PM
If I'm being honest, I much prefer these discussions than arguments over noteworthy workings.
The most interest part of new buses to me, aren't the new buses themselves - as good as Platinum MMCs are, new buses are just dull to me - its the cascades.
I'm much more interested to see what will happen to the E400s that currently work the 11/12
As Coventry have 12 early Tridents due to be replaced, I would personally expect them to just be used on various Coventry routes or branded for one specific route in due course.
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on November 25, 2018, 09:13:35 PM
Well there we go a branded platinum already for the 50
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2228097797229910&id=100000891349091&set=gm.2181656965421992&source=48&ref=m_notif¬if_t=group_activity
Credit to Liam bishop for the photo
For those who aren't on the West Midlands Transport Facebook group, here's the photo that Liam Bishop has posted of 6902 in the new 50 branding...
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 25, 2018, 10:48:12 PM
For those who aren't on the West Midlands Transport Facebook group, here's the photo that Liam Bishop has posted of 6902 in the new 50 branding...
They haven't done the back windows have they, Oh please no !
With a probable 6 cascaded Platinums coming to WA with them only having 3 elderly (41**) tridents, could we see 4733-37 which are often used as replacements move to perry Barr in order to increase the allocation of buses for the 7, 16 & 101? If so then would it make sense for the following to happen: 6713-18 PN-WA, 4733-37 WA-PB, 4125/27/55 WA-Withdrawn, 4501-07 PB-WA, 4331-2/46-48 WA-WN, 4134/6/52/60/63 WN-Withdrawn. This of course is just speculation but it would be nice to see Gemini's in Walsall again (would probably be for 6/7/7A) and would rid of WN's ageing tridents also.
i had a few days off duty last week and managed to do a fair few miles mainly on WA based buses. There buses are mostly very well presented and excellent drivers. The stand out buses are there Platinum branded buses. Very clean floors, seats and windows and always nice and warm.
This is the future of local bus travel.
There new fleet is a massive investment and will bring improved quality to many passengers.
I just do not understand how such a investment can be criticised.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on November 25, 2018, 10:57:47 PM
With a probable 6 cascaded Platinums coming to WA with them only having 3 elderly (41**) tridents, could we see 4733-37 which are often used as replacements move to perry Barr in order to increase the allocation of buses for the 7, 16 & 101? If so then would it make sense for the following to happen: 6713-18 PN-WA, 4733-37 WA-PB, 4125/27/55 WA-Withdrawn, 4501-07 PB-WA, 4331-2/46-48 WA-WN, 4134/6/52/60/63 WN-Withdrawn. This of course is just speculation but it would be nice to see Gemini's in Walsall again (would probably be for 6/7/7A) and would rid of WN's ageing tridents also.
As WA now longer operate any Volvo B7TL deckers and they were swapped originally with Tridents for fleet standardisation, I really can't see a small quantity of Gemini's returning to WA.
@Tony how many of the new platinums arrived 6893-6902?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on November 25, 2018, 10:57:47 PM
With a probable 6 cascaded Platinums coming to WA with them only having 3 elderly (41**) tridents, could we see 4733-37 which are often used as replacements move to perry Barr in order to increase the allocation of buses for the 7, 16 & 101? If so then would it make sense for the following to happen: 6713-18 PN-WA, 4733-37 WA-PB, 4125/27/55 WA-Withdrawn, 4501-07 PB-WA, 4331-2/46-48 WA-WN, 4134/6/52/60/63 WN-Withdrawn. This of course is just speculation but it would be nice to see Gemini's in Walsall again (would probably be for 6/7/7A) and would rid of WN's ageing tridents also.
4331/2 are already based at WN...
Apologies, I was going off of the fleet list that hasn't yet been updated, my bad. I also wasn't aware of standardisation so apologies once again. I think a more practical approach would be to swap 1900-04 PB-WA in order for 4346-48 to transfer WA-WN to release 3 41**. The other two 41** could be released by the transfer of 4326-27 PN-WA. On a side note I think it would be a nice idea to put 1844-47 back on the 952 as originally was the case. Of course it's just speculation.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on November 25, 2018, 11:36:10 PM
Apologies, I was going off of the fleet list that hasn't yet been updated, my bad. I also wasn't aware of standardisation so apologies once again. I think a more practical approach would be to swap 1900-04 PB-WA in order for 4346-48 to transfer WA-WN to release 3 41**. The other two 41** could be released by the transfer of 4308-09 PN-WA. On a side note I think it would be a nice idea to put 1844-47 back on the 952 as originally was the case. Of course it's just speculation.
4308 is at WN as well, although that's a more recent transfer.
Quote from: BN on November 02, 2018, 08:11:59 AM
4543 WN-withdrawn
4308 PN-WN
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 25, 2018, 10:48:12 PM
For those who aren't on the West Midlands Transport Facebook group, here's the photo that Liam Bishop has posted of 6902 in the new 50 branding...
Veyy odd branding. Looks a little like a diamond livery to those not so in the know. Maybe a hint at the next joint route ;)
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 26, 2018, 06:25:50 AM
Veyy odd branding. Looks a little like a diamond livery to those not so in the know. Maybe a hint at the next joint route ;)
No. It's the same style branding as the Dundee 22 and that's not going to be a joint Diamond route
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 25, 2018, 10:55:28 PM
They haven't done the back windows have they, Oh please no !
Can't believe the rear window vinyl vandals aren't lurking somewhere around these new vehicles. Really hope they're not and as they say hope springs eternal!
Is there going to be a joint route
Quote from: John on November 26, 2018, 08:42:47 PM
No
So will this be the new branding for any other route now or no
Not sure if it's been posted already, however when Cov's x11 and 12 get upgraded which route will benefit from the current newish batch being used on them currently?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 26, 2018, 09:08:35 PM
Not sure if it's been posted already, however when Cov's x11 and 12 get upgraded which route will benefit from the current newish batch being used on them currently?
Probably the routes which the tridents are due to be withdrawn from
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 26, 2018, 09:08:35 PM
Not sure if it's been posted already, however when Cov's x11 and 12 get upgraded which route will benefit from the current newish batch being used on them currently?
"Newish"?
They're 11 years old now, hardley "newish" anymore. They were new in January 2008.
Yes but they do have premium features such as WiFi, High Backed seats and I believe extra legroom.
Is it possible to fit just next stop announcements onto the Mmcs which will be used on the 11A/C? This route in my opinion would really benefit from announcements more so than any other route.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on November 26, 2018, 09:43:51 PM
Yes but they do have premium features such as WiFi, High Backed seats and I believe extra legroom.
They're too good just to appear on any old route, in my opinion. I remember the 10 was supposed to receive some new Enviro 400s a couple of years ago, only for them to be allocate to a different route...
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 26, 2018, 10:07:26 PM
Is it possible to fit just next stop announcements onto the Mmcs which will be used on the 11A/C? This route in my opinion would really benefit from announcements more so than any other route.
I agree, maybe WiFi as well, since WiFi is becoming the norm these days.
Maybe fit the E200 MMC on the 4, 6 and 58 with WiFi and Next stop anouncements as well.
My point was the last time the 9 was upgraded oh yeah less than 3 years ago, they were used to upgrade the 16, 101 & 7 so was wondering if it been called out which route would benefit next month.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 26, 2018, 10:25:10 PM
My point was the last time the 9 was upgraded oh yeah less than 3 years ago, they were used to upgrade the 16, 101 & 7 so was wondering if it been called out which route would benefit next month.
The bulk of the 9 & 50 Crimson E400MMC's (6111-6148) are being used to upgrade the Outer Circle.
Quote from: Winston on November 26, 2018, 10:37:40 PM
The bulk of the 9 & 50 Crimson E400MMC's (6111-6148) are being used to upgrade the Outer Circle.
He's asking where 4763 - 4776 are going
@Winston.
He's saying 4799 - 4829 were used to upgrade the 7/16/101 and given they're the same vehicle type, he was wandering where the batch at CV are going?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 26, 2018, 09:08:35 PM
Not sure if it's been posted already, however when Cov's x11 and 12 get upgraded which route will benefit from the current newish batch being used on them currently?
Quote from: 2206 on November 26, 2018, 10:39:35 PM
He's asking where 4763 - 4776 are going @Winston.
He's saying 4799 - 4829 were used to upgrade the 7/16/101 and given they're the same vehicle type, he was wandering where the batch at CV are going?
He originally was, now he's on about the 9.
Still asking where the cov buses are going, comparing to the previous 9 upgrade scenario.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 27, 2018, 06:21:43 AM
Still asking where the cov buses are going, comparing to the previous 9 upgrade scenario.
Probably another CV route like the 4s
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 27, 2018, 06:21:43 AM
Still asking where the cov buses are going, comparing to the previous 9 upgrade scenario.
As they have over 50 of what are already or will soon be some of the oldest vehicles in the fleet, it would make sense for the 47xx to be cascaded within Coventry and old buses replaced. It would also save them having to be repainted again - all conjecture though!
I quite like the latest style of branding, although it would look more effective if the coloured section at the front were at an angle rather than vertical, i.e. in the same style as the Dundee Emeralds, imho. Certainly adds a bit of colour to an increasingly grey fleet. Slightly puzzled by the liberal use of diamonds though, in particular the diamond behind the route number. It's very - Diamond.
They are making such modifications to the livery / vinyls on these that they might as well leave the ADL factory in just the base grey livery.
Is the entire colour coded front section vinyl, or is it painted with just vinyls for the diamond detailing?
Quote from: Mike K on November 27, 2018, 08:22:01 AM
I quite like the latest style of branding, although it would look more effective if the coloured section at the front were at an angle rather than vertical, i.e. in the same style as the Dundee Emeralds, imho. Certainly adds a bit of colour to an increasingly grey fleet. Slightly puzzled by the liberal use of diamonds though, in particular the diamond behind the route number. It's very - Diamond.
They are making such modifications to the livery / vinyls on these that they might as well leave the ADL factory in just the base grey livery.
Is the entire colour coded front section vinyl, or is it painted with just vinyls for the diamond detailing?
It's not paint it's all vinyl wrap, with viynl you can pretty much do what ever your imagination comes up with its so versatile , it protects the paint too ,you can apply clear vinyl protective wrap as well to protect the original paintwork if you wish, could potentially save it from the bus wash.
One thing I have noticed on the new 50 branding the blue puma stripe goes further along the bodywork onto the rear emergency door rather than stopping just above the rear wheel, prefer the original basically wheel to wheel almost.
One for Tony I guess ,
The wifi as I understand it all buses have it as traffic log and the innit wayfarers work with Internet connection for information, is it case of another module for open wifi or may be flicking a switch?
Quote from: 2900 on November 27, 2018, 09:18:56 AM
One for Tony I guess ,
The wifi as I understand it all buses have it as traffic log and the innit wayfarers work with Internet connection for information, is it case of another module for open wifi or may be flicking a switch?
It is completely seperate
Probably smart move separate wifi for Joe public , imagine if someone hacked into the vehicles systems not unknown to happen , jeep experienced these issues last year.
6100 MMC,s branding for the 11
I wonder on the colour scheme, the green is aweful IMO on Crimson , will there be time given to machine polish the paintwork, from my own experience it totally transforms a vehicles appearance, or is it going to be case of slap on the vinyl on your way me laddie jobs a Good,un me thinks.
Any reason why the front 'platinum' branding is red rather than matching the overall blue branding? Presumably the 'diamond' effect part of the '50' branding will be applied to the near side similar to the offside?
Quote from: RW on November 27, 2018, 10:40:48 AM
Any reason why the front 'platinum' branding is red rather than matching the overall blue branding? Presumably the 'diamond' effect part of the '50' branding will be applied to the near side similar to the offside?
It isn't finished in the photo on the main site. Quite a bit of the side branding is also missing. It is being put on at this very minute
6101-10 will stay at Pensnett for a bit for the 126 route. however they will join 6111-48 at Acocks Green. but it might not happen. when will the 126 go to if all of the PE MMC's have transferred?
Quote from: busboy31 on November 27, 2018, 08:52:48 PM
6101-10 will stay at Pensnett for a bit for the 126 route. however they will join 6111-48 at Acocks Green. but it might not happen. when will the 126 go to if all of the PE MMC's have transferred?
Have the E400MMC's at PE been debranded like the YW ones?
Quote from: Jack on November 27, 2018, 09:11:28 PM
Have the E400MMC's at PE been debranded like the YW ones?
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Still branded
Quote from: busboy31 on November 27, 2018, 08:52:48 PM
6101-10 will stay at Pensnett for a bit for the 126 route. however they will join 6111-48 at Acocks Green. but it might not happen. when will the 126 go to if all of the PE MMC's have transferred?
@busboy31 6101-6110 are going no where as they are staying for the 126 (the route is not moving) so your post is pointless.
It's not like when the 15 plates came to PN which then all the 09 enviros went to PB. 10 are still required for the 126
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on November 27, 2018, 09:36:42 PM
@busboy31 6101-6110 are going no where as they are staying for the 126 (the route is not moving) so your post is pointless.
It's not like when the 15 plates came to PN which then all the 09 enviros went to PB. 10 are still required for the 126
Will the Streetdeck's start being used frequently on the 126 alongside 6101-6110?
Quote from: Jack on November 27, 2018, 10:05:11 PM
Will the Streetdeck's start being used frequently on the 126 alongside 6101-6110?
I can't see the streetdecks staying at PN. Unless Tony tells otherwise
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 27, 2018, 10:10:38 PM
I can't see the streetdecks staying at PN. Unless Tony tells otherwise
Dundee? I can see them mixing with their Streetshites.
Quote from: Jack on November 27, 2018, 10:11:53 PM
Dundee? I can see them mixing with their Streetshites.
Unfortunately yes.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 27, 2018, 10:12:43 PM
Unfortunately yes.
It's a shame if they are - they are better (passenger wise), but the E400MMC just looks far more superior.
I know the street decks were bought to trial against the MMC, with the MMC obviously being the superior choice due to recent orders, but why is the E400 MMC better to purchase than the streetdecks? Why is the MMC superior to the street deck? Or is it due to an agreement/good terms with ADL that there products are favoured? I for one am very intrigued.
Interesting branding on Platinum 6903. What is the point of only promoting half the route, suggests the 50 will now only run City Centre - Moseley - Kings Heath. What about Maypole and Druids Heath.Also the small section of platinum grey looks very odd between the two sections of blue.
Good to see wi-fi and charging promoted but with the traffic down the Moseley Road when was the last time a 50 charged into the City. At least slow journeys through all the traffic means passengers can charge their mobiles for longer!!
The branding on 6902 shows Druids Heath and Maypole?
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 27, 2018, 11:01:45 PM
The branding on 6902 shows Druids Heath and Maypole?
Whereabouts is that picture? The photo of 6902 on the main site shows only Kings Heath and Moseley on the near side branding.
Quote from: Mike K on November 28, 2018, 06:42:00 AM
Whereabouts is that picture? The photo of 6902 on the main site shows only Kings Heath and Moseley on the near side branding.
There's a rear end shot of 6902 on Facebook.
Quote from: Mike K on November 28, 2018, 06:42:00 AM
Whereabouts is that picture? The photo of 6902 on the main site shows only Kings Heath and Moseley on the near side branding.
the branding was still getting done in that picture
Quote from: Winston on November 28, 2018, 08:47:23 AM
There's a rear end shot of 6902 on Facebook.
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2373259559572424&id=100006652084813&set=gm.2208336186091122&source=48&ref=m_notif¬if_t=group_highlights
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on November 28, 2018, 06:17:56 PM
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2373259559572424&id=100006652084813&set=gm.2208336186091122&source=48&ref=m_notif¬if_t=group_highlights
Thanks, but doesn't work unless you're on Facebook. I'm sure other pictures will come along shortly.
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on November 28, 2018, 06:17:56 PM
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2373259559572424&id=100006652084813&set=gm.2208336186091122&source=48&ref=m_notif¬if_t=group_highlights
i can't view can u post a photo on here
Quote from: Hammad on November 28, 2018, 06:50:12 PM
i can't view can u post a photo on here
I don't know how to
Quote from: Mike K on November 28, 2018, 06:37:02 PM
Thanks, but doesn't work unless you're on Facebook. I'm sure other pictures will come along shortly.
It doesn't work even if you are on Facebook
Quote from: John on November 28, 2018, 08:05:15 PM
It doesn't work even if you are on Facebook
It works for me.
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on November 28, 2018, 06:17:56 PM
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2373259559572424&id=100006652084813&set=gm.2208336186091122&source=48&ref=m_notif¬if_t=group_highlights
I thought you were too young for Facebook?
Quote from: Kevin on November 28, 2018, 09:13:42 PM
I thought you were too young for Facebook?
U r aloud it but my mom or dad checks it every night
The unbranding of the 50's MMC seems to have been quick and painless with no traces left behind. Not like the X61, where you could still see the outlines afterwards. Is that because it's harder to remove from the grey livery or was it the style of branding used?
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 02, 2018, 06:35:53 AM
The unbranding of the 50's MMC seems to have been quick and painless with no traces left behind. Not like the X61, where you could still see the outlines afterwards. Is that because it's harder to remove from the grey livery or was it the style of branding used?
pretty sure style as the 50 and 9 have one big chunk come as the X61 had loads of separate parts and the 15 regs that went to the X12 and X10
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 02, 2018, 06:35:53 AM
The unbranding of the 50's MMC seems to have been quick and painless with no traces left behind. Not like the X61, where you could still see the outlines afterwards. Is that because it's harder to remove from the grey livery or was it the style of branding used?
You can still see that the branding was previously there. But if they're going to be rebranded, this won't be too much of an issue
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 02, 2018, 11:50:26 AM
You can still see that the branding was previously there. But if they're going to be rebranded, this won't be too much of an issue
Ah perhaps I haven't seen them closely enough then. Yeah I'd have thought they'd get branded up for the 11A/C anyway.
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 02, 2018, 01:35:57 PM
Ah perhaps I haven't seen them closely enough then. Yeah I'd have thought they'd get branded up for the 11A/C anyway.
I just hope any branding applied is better than the current Outer Circle branding
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 02, 2018, 04:44:26 PM
I just hope any branding applied is better than the current Outer Circle branding
The branding will be better because branding looks crap on red and white buses
Since the X70 is gonna be platinum will it still have the one morning trident that starts on it then goes into the 70 and then 14
Quote from: Hammad on December 04, 2018, 07:31:17 AM
Since the X70 is gonna be platinum will it still have the one morning trident that starts on it then goes into the 70 and then 14
Does it matter ?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on December 04, 2018, 05:54:19 PM
Does it matter ?
Would you really put a Platinum on the 14 though?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on December 04, 2018, 05:54:19 PM
Does it matter ?
yeh if u send a high spec bus through them areas by the time it comes back it wont reall be platinum spec as charging sockets will be broken and seats will be vandalised
Quote from: Hammad on December 04, 2018, 05:59:32 PM
yeh if u send a high spec bus through them areas by the time it comes back it wont reall be platinum spec as charging sockets will be broken and seats will be vandalised
Really?
Quote from: Jack on December 04, 2018, 05:56:05 PM
Would you really put a Platinum on the 14 though?
Whats your reasoning for this?
BC use platinums in Small Heath and Hay Mills.
I've only ever seen one with the usb chargers not working and none of the seats are vandelised.
Quote from: Hammad on December 04, 2018, 05:59:32 PM
yeh if u send a high spec bus through them areas by the time it comes back it wont reall be platinum spec as charging sockets will be broken and seats will be vandalised
That probably has an equal chance of happen on most busy City routes to be honest.
Quote from: Hammad on December 04, 2018, 05:59:32 PM
yeh if u send a high spec bus through them areas by the time it comes back it wont reall be platinum spec as charging sockets will be broken and seats will be vandalised
Reminds me on conversations we have back in school and that was sometime ago lol.
Quote from: Hammad on December 04, 2018, 05:59:32 PM
yeh if u send a high spec bus through them areas by the time it comes back it wont reall be platinum spec as charging sockets will be broken and seats will be vandalised
Damaged USB ports on 16 plate Stagecoach Enviros in Merseyside have been removed from panels and covered with no smoking or cctv signs. Trent now have air charging panels on their new ADL single deck vehicles on Indigo and the i4.
One would expect the SOHO rd enviros to be trashed by now, but far from it every one I,ve been on is in surprisingly clean and vandal free condition upstairs , the Dudley rd enviros seem worse
Quote from: 2900 on December 05, 2018, 12:58:47 PM
One would expect the SOHO rd enviros to be trashed by now, but far from it every one I,ve been on is in surprisingly clean and vandal free condition upstairs , the Dudley rd enviros seem worse
Busy routes tend to suffer less. It is routes where vandals are left alone upstairs that suffer. The worst route for vandalism in Timesaver Metro days was the 366 through Streetly as quite often there was no-one other than the idiots in the upper saloon
NX have shared a pic of the new bus for the 50 on FB. The branding does look good to be fair. I particularly like that the red bits at the bottom have been turned blue. Shame the Uni buses haven't had that little touch added. Would've looked nice.
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 05, 2018, 04:09:17 PM
NX have shared a pic of the new bus for the 50 on FB. The branding does look good to be fair. I particularly like that the red bits at the bottom have been turned blue. Shame the Uni buses haven't had that little touch added. Would've looked nice.
i have not seen it on fb but pics are on the site
Also are the rear of the 23/24 & Uni buses ever going to be done?
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 05, 2018, 05:27:53 PM
Also are the rear of the 23/24 & Uni buses ever going to be done?
Don't forget the X7/X8 buses!
I personally think the way the uni, 23/24 and X7/8 have been done is very subtle compared to other branded vinyl wraps which,re pretty much full on, may be case of wait and see how the changes bed in if not very easy to change the branding, , it must be many £££ for these full on branding wraps per bus .
Quote from: 2900 on December 05, 2018, 06:20:17 PM
I personally think the way the uni, 23/24 and X7/8 have been done is very subtle compared to other branded vinyl wraps which,re pretty much full on, may be case of wait and see how the changes bed in if not very easy to change the branding, , it must be many £££ for these full on branding wraps per bus .
Yeah I was thinking maybe they're holding back because of potential further changes to these routes, but who knows.
Quote from: 2900 on December 05, 2018, 06:20:17 PM
I personally think the way the uni, 23/24 and X7/8 have been done is very subtle compared to other branded vinyl wraps which,re pretty much full on, may be case of wait and see how the changes bed in if not very easy to change the branding, , it must be many £££ for these full on branding wraps per bus .
You may have a point there, the style of these brandings, with nothing at all on the front or back is at odds with other Platinums. Maybe in due course we can expect colour coded vinyl wrapped fronts and advert frames, although as previously pointed out I wouldn't be surprised to see changes to the University routes first. The X7 still doesn't seem that well used at the Birmingham end either. Look forward to seeing this latest batch delivered - I do think the colour coded top deck fronts look effective.
In Coach and Bus Week today, in an article about the Oxford Bus Company it says that the Enviro 400's delivered with flywheels in the transmission have had them removed. This was the type NXWM had a government grant for a couple of years ago. It was stated in the technical press sometime later that production of them had ceased and I think this article brings the saga to its final conclusion. I shall be disappointed if the same happens to the electric and hydrogen powered buses expected.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on December 05, 2018, 08:46:55 PM
In Coach and Bus Week today, in an article about the Oxford Bus Company it says that the Enviro 400's delivered with flywheels in the transmission have had them removed. This was the type NXWM had a government grant for a couple of years ago. It was stated in the technical press sometime later that production of them had ceased and I think this article brings the saga to its final conclusion. I shall be disappointed if the same happens to the electric and hydrogen powered buses expected.
Those Gyro Drive buses were meant to be 10 x Wrightbus Gemini HEV96, not ADL.
Point taken, but it was the gyro drive that proved unsatisfactory not any of the bus designs.
6902 has just entered service on the 50.
6903 was also in service on the 50 today.
Is there any update on the latest status of deliveries (also to Coventry?)
Quote from: don on December 07, 2018, 12:45:08 AM
Is there any update on the latest status of deliveries (also to Coventry?)
6898 just landed at WN.
Quote from: BN on December 07, 2018, 04:38:58 PM
Expected, but not yet mate.
It is, I just parked it there
Quote from: Tony on December 07, 2018, 04:46:33 PM
It is, I just parked it there
Ah, I see. Been waiting for it all day.
On January 6th 2018 Paulb1973 posted a fleet list giving a total for the West Midlands as 1559. My records now give a total of 1501.I am not as accurate as Paul, but can't be far out. This is normal for NXWM and their predecessors whereas most operators replace x buses with x new ones it does not happen here. The last time I can remember that it did was the replacement of the trams and trolleybuses when it had to because the current was switched off.
6900 & 6901 have arrived at WN
Quote from: BN on December 08, 2018, 12:26:24 PM
6900 & 6901 have arrived at WN
Can I just ask why YW's new platinums are being delivered to WN? A lack of space at Yardley Wood perhaps?
Quote from: Stu on December 08, 2018, 12:35:42 PM
Can I just ask why YW's new platinums are being delivered to WN? A lack of space at Yardley Wood perhaps?
Lack of space at YW, might be having final checks etc
Quote from: Stu on December 08, 2018, 12:35:42 PM
Can I just ask why YW's new platinums are being delivered to WN? A lack of space at Yardley Wood perhaps?
Probably yes.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 08, 2018, 03:01:16 PM
Lack of space at YW, might be having final checks etc
It's actually a lack of space at BC where the add-ons are being fitted
I saw one of the new Platinums on Thursday displaying "Alcester Lanes End" with Short Journey underneath BUT it did display "50E", I hope that common sense has prevailed and that "E" will be returning to South Birmimgham routes.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on December 07, 2018, 08:53:43 PM
On January 6th 2018 Paulb1973 posted a fleet list giving a total for the West Midlands as 1559. My records now give a total of 1501.I am not as accurate as Paul, but can't be far out. This is normal for NXWM and their predecessors whereas most operators replace x buses with x new ones it does not happen here. The last time I can remember that it did was the replacement of the trams and trolleybuses when it had to because the current was switched off.
I have been keeping an eye on the main NXWM/NXC fleet totals (excluding the coach/JLR contract fleet) throughout the year - I have it as a round 1500 currently, but don't take this as the gospel:
Acocks Green
8 Dart/E200 (733-4/831-6)
29 E200MMC (2201-29)
28 B7/ALX (4225/31/76-301)
69 Gemini (4508-19/21-32; 4635-79)
12 E400MMC (6139-40/6701-10)
___
146
Birmingham Central
9 B7RLE (2134-42)
60 Trident (4148/72/76-77/79/81r/85; 4442-49/55-74; 4610-34)
41 E400 (4871-80/95-913/38-49)
18 B5H (5501-18)
68 E400MMC (6825-92)
___
196
Bordesley
49 Scania (1788-1836)
__
49
Coventry
13 E200 (837-44/71-75)
34 B7RLE (2143-50/52-77)
44 Trident (4190/4211/17-22; 4370-81/95-4400/2-14/50-54)
10 B7/ALX (4415-24)
54 E400 (4763-76; 4830-42/81-94; 4983-95)
17 E400MMC (6951-67) *on delivery
___
155*
Pensnett
22 Dart/E200 (731-2/60/801-4/23-30/64-70)
21 B7RLE (2091-111)
5 Wright StreetDeck (3301-5)
26 Trident (4150; 4306-7/9/26-30; 4425-41)
32 E400MMC (6101-24; 6711-18)
___
106
Perry Barr
4 E200 (761-64)
44 Scania (1863-77; 1901-7/25-31; 7019-33)
45 Gemini (4475-4507/33-34; 4687-96)
4 Scania DD (4777-80)
43 E400 (4799-815/17-29/43-55)
29 E400MMC (6796-6824)
___
169
Walsall
8 E200 (855-62)
49 Scania (1837-62/78-1900)
42 B7RLE (1750-73; 2112-19/24-33)
30 Trident (4125/27/55r; 4346-54/56-57; 4594-4609)
20 E400 (4733-37; 4856-70)
40 E400MMC (6719-58)
___
189
West Bromwich
21 E200 (757-59; 805-22)
23 Scania (1911-12/18/33-34/36-53)
36 B7/ALX (4228-30/36-37/39-41/43-47/49-51/53-54/57-59/62-64/66-75/303-4)
82 E400 (4738-62; 4914-37; 4950-82)
___
162
Wolverhampton
17 E200 (751-56; 845-54/63)
65 B7RLE (2001-29/59-90; 2120-23)
62 Trident (4134/36/52/60/63; 4308/10-25/31-35/37-40/42/44-45/58-69; 4535-42/57-64)
21 E400H (5401-21)
37 E400MMC (6759-95)
___
202
Yardley Wood
15 Scania (1909-10/13-17/19-24/32/35)
21 E200MMC (2230-50)
53 Trident (4382-90/92-94; 4544-56/65-92)
15 E400 (4718-32)
22 + 24 E400MMC (6125-38/41-48) (6893-914/43-44 *on delivery)
___
126*
Total 1500 (+75 on delivery)
Thank you Paul, I had also excluded the coaches to make a fair comparison with your January list.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on December 08, 2018, 09:17:56 PM
Thank you Paul, I had also excluded the coaches to make a fair comparison with your January list.
The NX coaches I think are allocated this way (Tony will have up-to-date information)
BC: 110/113-115/128/136/143/150/152/155/171/235-239/410-411/501 (19)
CV: 119/138/140/142/156/157/161 (7)
WA: 90-95/116/135 ( 8 )
For completeness - I have Xplore Dundee as this currently, although there may have been some Plaxton President withdrawals/not sure of the status of 112:
2 Volvo B9R/Caetano (111/112w)
5 Wright StreetLite (431-5)
43 Volvo B7RLE/Wright Eclipse (1774-87; 2030-58)
10 Volvo B7TL/President (4025-26/28/36/76/117/121-124)
43 Volvo B7TL/Wright Gemini (4680-6; 4700-17; 7001-18)
9 ADL E400H (5422-30)
14 ADL E400MMC (6687-6700)
1 Volvo B7L/Wright (7067)
___
127
Additionally:
Crew Bus (1) - 7427 (SP16 UZU)
Trainers (2) - 1366/7151
@paulb1973 AG - I've got 4231 down as withdrawn ?
YW - is missing 6902/3 (which are in service) & 6904-6 have been delivered there
Dundee:
The only President left in service is 4076, 7067 is also withdrawn from passenger service & now full time driver trainer.
Also missing EV1 Wright Street Air EV which normally works the 360 (but currently away for repair)
Quote from: Winston on December 08, 2018, 09:37:35 PM
@paulb1973
YW - is missing 6902/3 (which are in service) & 6904-6 have been delivered there
Dundee:
The only President left in service is 4076, 7067 is also withdrawn from passenger service & now full time driver trainer.
Also missing EV1 Wright Street Air EV which normally works the 360 (but currently away for repair)
Yes, I have just briefly mentioned the new deliveries at CV & YW - rather than including them fully. I was waiting on, what will presumably be, a merry-go-round of transfers as the new deliveries enter service in larger numbers. 6139-40 have moved YW-AG, this the calm before the storm.
I'd better update my Dundee notes it seems!
Adding in the Training fleet, the growing heritage collection and withdrawn/stored vehicles not forgetting the aforementioned NX coaches, the total is still in excess of 1600.
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 08, 2018, 09:56:49 PM
Yes, I have just briefly mentioned the new deliveries at CV & YW - rather than including them fully. I was waiting on, what will presumably be, a merry-go-round of transfers as the new deliveries enter service in larger numbers. 6139-40 have moved YW-AG, this the calm before the storm.
I'd better update my Dundee notes it seems!
Adding in the Training fleet, the growing heritage collection and withdrawn/stored vehicles not forgetting the aforementioned NX coaches, the total is still in excess of 1600.
Yes, but you have 6139/40 as moving to AG, they were released by 6902/3 which are in service @ YW. YW allocation should be +2
Oh, there's a post suggesting Dundee trainers 1366 & 7151 have also been sold to JP Coaches. 112 is withdrawn.
I'm still adding in the NX Coach fleet under WMT Ltd, so far I have Gatwick = 15 & Luton = 31. Still got the two Stansted allocations to sort.
Quote from: Winston on December 08, 2018, 10:31:34 PM
Yes, but you have 6139/40 as moving to AG, they were released by 6902/3 which are in service @ YW. YW allocation should be +2
Oh, there's a post suggesting Dundee trainers 1366 & 7151 have also been sold to JP Coaches. 112 is withdrawn.
I'm still adding in the NX Coach fleet under WMT Ltd, so far I have Gatwick = 15 & Luton = 31. Still got the two Stansted allocations to sort.
At YW I assume all of 6125-48 are going to Acocks Green - that in turn will release a similar number of Gemini's to West Brom. After that I guess some of WB's 42xx Volvo B7TL's will get the chop. At Coventry I assume the last remaining Y/TOH's will go - but it seems nothing else is due to be transferred/withdrawn once 6951-67 are in service.
If Dundee 1366 & 7151 have been sold then its just the one regular training bus. I have generally assumed 112 to have been withdrawn.
Yes, I should really be adding in the coach fleet operated under the WMT Ltd banner, but have left them out, if only to keep things simple!
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 09, 2018, 01:01:58 AM
At YW I assume all of 6125-48 are going to Acocks Green - that in turn will release a similar number of Gemini's to West Brom. After that I guess some of WB's 42xx Volvo B7TL's will get the chop. At Coventry I assume the last remaining Y/TOH's will go - but it seems nothing else is due to be transferred/withdrawn once 6951-67 are in service.
If Dundee 1366 & 7151 have been sold then its just the one regular training bus. I have generally assumed 112 to have been withdrawn.
Yes, I should really be adding in the coach fleet operated under the WMT Ltd banner, but have left them out, if only to keep things simple!
Yes, all of YW's E400MMC's are heading to AG, with PN's 6111-6124 that makes 38 in total in to AG, but WB only have 36 x Volvo/ALX400's & I thought some of them had traps fitted, so not sure.
I assume 4762-76 will remain at Coventry & potentially more 43** Tridents may leave?
I believe 111 is to follow 112, yes if the sale post of 1366 & 7151 that would leave 7067 as the only trainer.
I'm including the JLR coach fleet in to my garage allocations, but still in the process of adding the rest of former NX ops now included as part of WMT Ltd.
Is there any reason why the last lot of Platinums for Coventry are registered in Beverley, Yorkshire while the rest are registered in Scotland.
Quote from: Brummie45 on December 09, 2018, 08:50:11 AM
Is there any reason why the last lot of Platinums for Coventry are registered in Beverley, Yorkshire while the rest are registered in Scotland.
Those were built at the Scarborough factory rather than Falkirk
Quote from: John on December 09, 2018, 09:06:09 AM
Those were built at the Scarborough factory rather than Falkirk
I shouldve realised that.
Quote from: Winston on December 09, 2018, 01:38:20 AM
Yes, all of YW's E400MMC's are heading to AG, with PN's 6111-6124 that makes 38 in total in to AG, but WB only have 36 x Volvo/ALX400's & I thought some of them had traps fitted, so not sure.
I assume 4762-76 will remain at Coventry & potentially more 43** Tridents may leave?
I believe 111 is to follow 112, yes if the sale post of 1366 & 7151 that would leave 7067 as the only trainer.
I'm including the JLR coach fleet in to my garage allocations, but still in the process of adding the rest of former NX ops now included as part of WMT Ltd.
I bet the traps will be removed from ALX 400 B7tl,s and fitted to the Gemni,s these euro 6 exhaust kits are very expensive, really can't see them being left on the ALX 400 B7 then the bus is sold for 5/6 k doesn't make sense. Something that Miller st might be busy with who knows.
Quote from: 2900 on December 10, 2018, 09:54:24 AM
I bet the traps will be removed from ALX 400 B7tl,s and fitted to the Gemni,s these euro 6 exhaust kits are very expensive, really can't see them being left on the ALX 400 B7 then the bus is sold for 5/6 k doesn't make sense. Something that Miller st might be busy with who knows.
The 30 trap fitted B7/ALX will be remaining in service
Quote from: Tony on December 10, 2018, 09:58:43 AM
The 30 trap fitted B7/ALX will be remaining in service
Thanks for clearing that up Tony.
How many trapped B7s at west brom
Quote from: 2900 on December 10, 2018, 10:18:56 AM
Thanks for clearing that up Tony.
How many trapped B7s at west brom
4237-45, 4270-5.
Quote from: Nathan on December 10, 2018, 10:25:53 AM
4237-45, 4270-5.
Good to see some B7 ALX400 surviving in service. I hope some use are made of them being sold off or driver trainers not just going to the scrap man
Quote from: PB2938 on December 10, 2018, 12:22:09 PM
Good to see some B7 ALX400 surviving in service. I hope some use are made of them being sold off or driver trainers not just going to the scrap man
I'm not sure if there'd be any use in keeping them as trainers, since there's already a good amount of new-ish deckers in the training fleet. The oldest Tridents in there are only a year older at most, and have also been branded in the training livery so it'd be a waste to replace those.
Quote from: Winston on December 08, 2018, 09:37:35 PM
@paulb1973
AG - I've got 4231 down as withdrawn ?
YW - is missing 6902/3 (which are in service) & 6904-6 have been delivered there
Dundee:
The only President left in service is 4076, 7067 is also withdrawn from passenger service & now full time driver trainer.
Also missing EV1 Wright Street Air EV which normally works the 360 (but currently away for repair)
4231 is still in service at the minute
@Winston.
Its on the 72 today. It was at Sheldon, Wheatsheaf heading towards Solihill at 14:40.
Quote from: 2206 on December 10, 2018, 03:38:58 PM
4231 is still in service at the minute @Winston.
Its on the 72 today. It was at Sheldon, Wheatsheaf heading towards Solihill at 14:40.
Ta - could have sworn I saw a report 4231 was withdrawn / next to be withdrawn possibly on Facebook?
Quote from: Winston on December 10, 2018, 03:50:39 PM
Ta - could have sworn I saw a report 4231 was withdrawn / next to be withdrawn possibly on Facebook?
It was due to go but was MOTd when extra buses were needed
Quote from: Tony on December 10, 2018, 04:00:56 PM
It was due to go but was MOTd when extra buses were needed
Cheers, didn't think I'd dreamt it.
Quote from: Nathan on December 10, 2018, 10:25:53 AM
4237-45, 4270-5.
I assume that excludes 4238 & recently withdrawn 4242, so is 4237/39-41/43-45 & 70-75. If AG have 4276-91 trapped, that makes 29, unless I've missed one somewhere!
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 10, 2018, 05:35:15 PM
I assume that excludes 4238 & recently withdrawn 4242, so is 4237/39-41/43-45 & 70-75. If AG have 4276-91 trapped, that makes 29, unless I've missed one somewhere!
Apologies, i forgot to discount those two.
So far 27 of the 75 have been delivered. 6896-6901 are all currently stored at WN and will be some of the last to enter service
Quote from: Tony on December 10, 2018, 06:02:42 PM
So far 27 of the 75 have been delivered. 6896-6901 are all currently stored at WN and will be some of the last to enter service
I assume ADL are going to struggle to get all 75 deliveried to the WM for the end of the year now?
Quote from: Tony on December 10, 2018, 06:02:42 PM
So far 27 of the 75 have been delivered. 6896-6901 are all currently stored at WN and will be some of the last to enter service
Which fleet numbers have arrived?
6893-909/12 and 9 of Coventry's
Will all the new platium buses be in service by the end of
the year thank you
Quote from: Solo1 on December 11, 2018, 07:46:50 AM
Will all the new platium buses be in service by the end of
the year thank you
No
How many of the new platiums will be in service by the end
of the year thank you
Quote from: Solo1 on December 11, 2018, 08:16:52 AM
How many of the new platiums will be in service by the end
of the year thank you
Sorry Crystal ball not working yet,
Seriously when 48 of them haven't even arrived yet, and 14 days before Christmas, how do you expect us to know numbers?
Why 6943/6944 are going to yardley wood, I'll never understand. So messy. Should've just sent 6915/6916 there instead.
Quote from: lauren1993 on December 11, 2018, 06:14:35 PM
Why 6943/6944 are going to yardley wood, I'll never understand. So messy. Should've just sent 6915/6916 there instead.
No I shouldn't
Quote from: Tony on December 11, 2018, 06:24:49 PM
No I shouldn't
tony quick question out the blue what services are the loner MMCs on
Quote from: Tony on December 11, 2018, 06:24:49 PM
No I shouldn't
Is there any reason why they've done it this way? Seems very strange.
Quote from: lauren1993 on December 11, 2018, 06:14:35 PM
Why 6943/6944 are going to yardley wood, I'll never understand. So messy. Should've just sent 6915/6916 there instead.
That's like 1932 and 1935. They sent 1911, 1912 to WB instead of 1932 and 1935.
Quote from: Jack on December 11, 2018, 06:31:16 PM
That's like 1932 and 1935. They sent 1911, 1912 to WB instead of 1932 and 1935.
Wouldn't annoy me as much if they didn't spend so much time making the fleet numbers uniform. Makes it completely pointless, and really upsets my OCD!! Even more silly to send random brand new buses to random garages out of sync when they spent so long arranging it neatly for the past few years!!
Quote from: lauren1993 on December 11, 2018, 06:28:03 PM
Is there any reason why they've done it this way? Seems very strange.
I have done it so Yardley Wood has two tachograph buses
Quote from: Tony on December 11, 2018, 06:38:38 PM
I have done it so Yardley Wood has two tachograph buses
what do you mean
Quote from: Hammad on December 11, 2018, 07:58:17 PM
what do you mean
When 6147 and 6148 transfer to AG, YW won't have tachograph buses for private hire - presumably 6943 and 6944 will have them fitted and will be the replacements. Apologies if I have this wrong.
Quote from: don on December 11, 2018, 08:11:43 PM
When 6147 and 6148 transfer to AG, YW won't have tachograph buses for private hire - presumably 6943 and 6944 will have them fitted and will be the replacements. Apologies if I have this wrong.
Correct Don
It must have come down to either having the fleet numbers in sequence or the number plates in sequence.
Quote from: MW on December 11, 2018, 08:46:25 PM
It must have come down to either having the fleet numbers in sequence or the number plates in sequence.
Nothing of the sort.
Purely I got asked to allocate the buses and that 6942-51 would be tachograph fitted and had to be split between all four garages, and have managed to do it with only YW not having a solid block
Will the BC ones get branded get branded for the x70
Quote from: Jack6101 on December 11, 2018, 09:26:07 PM
Will the BC ones get branded get branded for the x70
persuming a couple will
Quote from: lauren1993 on December 11, 2018, 06:35:40 PM
Wouldn't annoy me as much if they didn't spend so much time making the fleet numbers uniform. Makes it completely pointless, and really upsets my OCD!! Even more silly to send random brand new buses to random garages out of sync when they spent so long arranging it neatly for the past few years!!
You would have had a nervous breakdown when 2975-3124 were delivered! Many garages receiving two here, three there. Was very 'random' especially some of the 30** series!
Quote from: Gareth on December 12, 2018, 01:06:39 AM
You would have had a nervous breakdown when 2975-3124 were delivered! Many garages receiving two here, three there. Was very 'random' especially some of the 30** series!
Indeed - and also the 2736-2860 batch - in fact it was so reminiscent of how Midland Red often allocated their new buses it seemed possible it was an ex Midland Red employee doing it - as if to reinforce that view the ex MR garages in the Black Country seemed particularly to have them in very small numbers - all very odd and completely different from previous practice.
Quote from: Gareth on December 12, 2018, 01:06:39 AM
You would have had a nervous breakdown when 2975-3124 were delivered! Many garages receiving two here, three there. Was very 'random' especially some of the 30** series!
I recall those days - trying to work out which bus was based at which garage was a nightmare. The much smaller batches started with 2611-2735 when a garage receiving 14 vehicles might get them in 3 lots (for example Harborne got 2653-57, 2703-07 and 2721-24). Then as Gareth says, by the time 2975-3124 arrived the allocations were like a lucky dip. I recall Quinton had one of this batch (3057). The plan was it would have 2 more later in the batch but these subsequently got allocated to WN instead, and 3057 soon followed.
The allocations these days are a lot 'tidier' from an enthusiast's perspective.
EDIT - after doing a bit of reading, appears Quinton had 3116 from this batch for a brief spell too - I never knew that.
I think some idiosyncrasies make it much more interesting, it just seems so sterile otherwise!
The trouble was earlier vehicles were often reallocated in, small seemingly random, batches, so it was very difficult to know which vehicles were at which garages. So much better now.
The advantage of having small batches (and certainly back in the early 80s) was the burden for maintenance - be it routine or more substantial like recertification (required until the mid 80s) - requiring major bodywork attention) was no one garage would have too much burden at one time of vehicles away in works or require loans from elsewhere to cover. Whether it's linked I don't know but WMPTE and particularly Dudley garage got into major problems with the Ministry in the late 70s/early 80s owing to maintenance issues - no doubt there were a combination of reasons, including utilisation requirements not making enough buses available for maintenance, but the result was swapping all the Leyland engined Fleetlines (including 6301-6315) for Gardner with other garages - this may also have contributed to the change in approach to new vehicle allocations. The 6301-6420 batch had been shared in large batches mostly between Wolverhampton, Dudley, Hartshill and Stourbridge.
I well remember Oldbury receiving 2841 as a one off. HL also received odd ones or twos, the numbers of which escape me for now but 2860 rings a bell!!
I can recall as school kid during the 80s 86-90 I used the 120/128 from Oldbury to Langley me and mates used to point out brand new bus today F plated 3000 series metrobus they used to look really smart back then, at that time I saw them only 128/9 service , the brown moquette trim very coach like, there was only a few of them never saw them on the 120 service which was always fleet liner.
Much later I learned Hockley operated the 128/9 so no fleet liners and Dudley for the 120
I can also remember the disappointment on how appalling these 3000 series were to drive except for 3088/90 were decent though.
Way off topic I know but the allocation of the first batch of Nationals always confused me, the very definition of one here, one there. I only recently compiled what I believe to be the actual list, I will post (in a new topic for tidiness) if anyone wants me to.
Personally as much as large blocks of fleet numbers make things neat, I also like a few odd ones scattered into the mix.
Quote from: B.C Driver on December 12, 2018, 07:30:01 PM
Personally as much as large blocks of fleet numbers make things neat, I also like a few odd ones scattered into the mix.
Quite. I never thought bus allocations would be exacerbating people's OCD, unless of course these contributors are having a joke.
Back in the day, having twos and threes, singletons and cast-offs was part of the fun with garage allocations.
These days it's the equivalent of modern art, where a canvas is one big beige rectangle and a bus garage runs three 50+ unrelieved blocks of consecutive numbers.
Pesenett platinums arriving at bc for ticket machines as Yardley wood ones being shipped to Wolverhampton as there's not enough room persuming
Quote from: Hammad on December 13, 2018, 03:59:12 PM
Pesenett platinums arriving at bc for ticket machines as Yardley wood ones being shipped to Wolverhampton as there's not enough room persuming
Somehow i don't think you can 'ship' a bus into Wolverhampton...
Quote from: Nathan on December 13, 2018, 04:52:43 PM
Somehow i don't think you can 'ship' a bus into Wolverhampton...
meant driven I always say shipped
Quote from: Nathan on December 13, 2018, 04:52:43 PM
Somehow i don't think you can 'ship' a bus into Wolverhampton...
There's nothing wrong with what he said. He doesn't literally mean that it was sent on a ship.
There's nothing wrong with that statement.
Check the Google definitions of "Ship/Shipped":
"send by some other means of transport or by mail.
"he was captured and shipped off to a labour camp""
Quote from: 2206 on December 13, 2018, 05:48:04 PM
There's nothing wrong with what he said. He doesn't literally mean that it was sent on a ship.
There's nothing wrong with that statement.
Check the Google definitions of "Ship/Shipped":
"send by some other means of transport or by mail.
"he was captured and shipped off to a labour camp""
It's a joke....
Quote from: 2206 on December 13, 2018, 05:48:04 PM
There's nothing wrong with what he said. He doesn't literally mean that it was sent on a ship.
There's nothing wrong with that statement.
Check the Google definitions of "Ship/Shipped":
"send by some other means of transport or by mail.
"he was captured and shipped off to a labour camp""
Yeah. Thanks for explaining that. However you wasted your time. My comment was just light hearted and tongue in cheek.
@SL 16 YPN Cheers.
When are they releasing an X70 branding?
Quote from: Jack D on December 13, 2018, 08:15:17 PM
When are they releasing an X70 branding?
There's nothing to put X70 branding on yet, as the buses for it have yet to be delivered.
Quote from: Jack D on December 13, 2018, 08:15:17 PM
When are they releasing an X70 branding?
The PVR must only be about 5/6 not Much point in branding for 5/6 buses
Quote from: Tony on December 13, 2018, 08:20:32 PM
They're not
wouldve loved branding for them I could imagin it in my head
They will have tachographs for use on Private Hire so not ideal for branding
I overtook 6922 on its delivery run on the Expressway this morning when it came of the M6. Off to Central I guess at it went up to Dartmouth circus
New buses so far delivered (as at 10:00 this morning!) 6893-6914/6/8/20/2/5/8/52-4/6-63.
Another 26 are due next week.
Quote from: Tony on December 14, 2018, 03:36:29 PM
New buses so far delivered (as at 10:00 this morning!) 6893-6914/6/8/20/2/5/8/52-4/6-63.
Another 26 are due next week.
26 in a week is impressive.
picture of 6932 on test today on flickr.
https://flic.kr/p/2dukfp7
Quote from: tphi12000 on December 14, 2018, 07:39:59 PM
picture of 6932 on test today on flickr.
https://flic.kr/p/2dukfp7
hopefully will arrive in brum next week hoping
Quote from: Hammad on December 14, 2018, 08:34:01 PM
hopefully will arrive in brum next week hoping
tony has allready posted that all will arrive by end of next week
Quote from: tphi12000 on December 14, 2018, 07:39:59 PM
picture of 6932 on test today on flickr.
https://flic.kr/p/2dukfp7
Got my hopes up, I though one of my favourite Fleetlines had been resurrected! Haha
Just another passing thought regarding previous remarks,
It's been confirmed that subsequent new deliveries will be built to Platinum specifications, has it not? Then would this include the 10 Enviro 200 EVs that are due at Coventry in the next 17/18 months? - in turn, resulting in the first single-deck Platinum route ???
I'm intruiged, and (frankly) quite excited if that's the case. :D Apologies if this has been raised before; I may have missed it.
Nothing has been confirmed beyond the current order, the trend is that high spec buses are now becomming the norm, but that's it.
The 10 x Electric Single deckers for Coventry were only confirmed in the local press as being due along with a picture of the demo E200MMC. Again, I'm not aware an order has actually been placed yet.
The multi-year ADL contract must be due to expire, can't see any reason why ADL won't continue to supply NX though.
Any reason for 6893 upto 68901 due at yw not to enter service yet if they are here
Quote from: Solo1 on December 16, 2018, 11:34:04 AM
Any reason for 6893 upto 68901 due at yw not to enter service yet if they are here
Lack of space I read somewhere
6928 6920 6922 at Birmingham central today
I did read space but they could move the mmc to ag then the buses stored at park lane
move to yardley wood unless when the tax has run out they will then withdraw some of the tridents then put the buss into service
Nice you know better than the people actually trying to get 75 new buses into service without knowing anything about what's needed
Quote from: Solo1 on December 16, 2018, 07:32:19 PM
I did read space but they could move the mmc to ag then the buses stored at park lane
move to yardley wood unless when the tax has run out they will then withdraw some of the tridents then put the buss into service
@Tony has already said, it is space at BC where they are being prepared for service that is the problem, no space at YW.
The Scarborough built batch (6952-67) are all at Coventry now with deliveries completed over the weekend
Apologies if this has been asked before, (I'm not the most frequent visitor to the WM forum), but what's going to happen when the fleet numbers get to 7000? they're not that far away now.
Quote from: DavieDD2 on December 17, 2018, 11:01:19 AM
Apologies if this has been asked before, (I'm not the most frequent visitor to the WM forum), but what's going to happen when the fleet numbers get to 7000? they're not that far away now.
No decision yet as it isn't a problem until more than another 33 platinums are on their way
Quote from: DavieDD2 on December 17, 2018, 11:01:19 AM
Apologies if this has been asked before, (I'm not the most frequent visitor to the WM forum), but what's going to happen when the fleet numbers get to 7000? they're not that far away now.
They carry on surely, as theres been Wmpte vehicles over 7000.
The Titans for starters.
Quote from: Westy on December 17, 2018, 11:13:45 AM
They carry on surely, as theres been Wmpte vehicles over 7000.
The Titans for starters.
You're forgetting the 18 54 plate Dundee Geminis (7001 - 7018) and the 14 former Dundee Omnilinks (7019 - 7033)
Quote from: DavieDD2 on December 17, 2018, 11:19:11 AM
You're forgetting the 18 54 plate Dundee Geminis (7001 - 7018) and the 14 former Dundee Omnilinks (7019 - 7033)
The Scanias can be moved to follow the existing examples starting at 1954. The Volvos I have no idea of....
Quote from: Tony on December 17, 2018, 11:12:04 AM
No decision yet as it isn't a problem until more than another 33 platinums are on their way
But given it's been stated all subsequent deliveries will be Platinum, surely some sort of plan would be in place?
Quote from: Kevin on December 17, 2018, 11:41:44 AM
But given it's been stated all subsequent deliveries will be Platinum, surely some sort of plan would be in place?
No
There are ideas, but which will be actioned has not been decided.
Several options include 3401 upwards; 6151 upwards; 7501 upwards or even something completely different
Just an idea, but how about tagging the Scanias onto the existing batch as has been suggested and reverting the Geminis back to their old 2 digit Tayside numbers by knocking off the 70--, they only have 2 or 3 years left in them anyway.
Quote from: DavieDD2 on December 17, 2018, 11:56:55 AM
Just an idea, but how about tagging the Scanias onto the existing batch as has been suggested and reverting the Geminis back to their old 2 digit Tayside numbers by knocking off the 70--, they only have 2 or 3 years left in them anyway.
Renumbering is out of the question. The current system still leaves the old numbers as used with their history on
Onto plan b then, retire the Geminis and send us some more shiny new Emeralds :D :D
Quote from: DavieDD2 on December 17, 2018, 12:13:01 PM
Onto plan b then, retire the Geminis and send us some more shiny new Emeralds :D :D
Cannot reuse fleetnumbers
Quote from: Tony on December 17, 2018, 12:17:19 PM
Cannot reuse fleetnumbers
Aren't the Metrobus numbers being reused by the B7RLE's? If numbers can't be reused with the current system it's only going to be a matter of a few years before the system is out of available numbers.
Quote from: Tony on December 17, 2018, 11:49:55 AM
No
There are ideas, but which will be actioned has not been decided.
Several options include 3401 upwards; 6151 upwards; 7501 upwards or even something completely different
Could introducing letters be an option, similar to how some London companies do it?
Quote from: StourValley98 on December 17, 2018, 01:13:38 PM
Could introducing letters be an option, similar to how some London companies do it?
Or 5 digits?
Quote from: DavieDD2 on December 17, 2018, 12:34:27 PM
Aren't the Metrobus numbers being reused by the B7RLE's? If numbers can't be reused with the current system it's only going to be a matter of a few years before the system is out of available numbers.
Perhaps numbers can be reused after so many years only?
Good example - Ex Bristol VR 4714(the one painted in South Staffs livery & owned locally by Aston Manor!) & Gemini 4714!
Just leap over the present numbers, 7201
Quote from: filbus1 on December 17, 2018, 01:39:14 PM
Just leap over the present numbers, 7201
You would need to go higher, some Optare Excels and Solos were 72xx in Dundee
Quote from: WMT3000 on December 17, 2018, 01:19:27 PM
Or 5 digits?
That could work, Diamond only had 3 digits originally and they added 20 to the front I think. You'd probably have to make the E200s 10xxx though so that they dont clash with the old 4 digit numbers.
Quote from: Westy on December 17, 2018, 01:29:55 PM
Perhaps numbers can be reused after so many years only?
Good example - Ex Bristol VR 4714(the one painted in South Staffs livery & owned locally by Aston Manor!) & Gemini 4714!
No numbers can be reused on the current system which dates back to around 2000, so some Metrobuses/Scanias are still on there hence why the StreetDecks started at 3301. 73xx were the Wisharts Coaches and 74xx are still in use see main fleetlist.
I do actually know what I am doing when I allocated the numbers!
@Tony, You have the advantage of knowing how the system works, we enthusiasts can only guess.
If it were to happen - 5-digit fleet numbers on NX buses is going to look a bit weird! History has seen WMPTE use letters in the past. Presumably 3401-3999 are 'free' although recent arrival 3997 probably means ending at 3996. Weren't 3601-14 used a few years back so that complicates that slightly. 6033-6100 and 6149-6686 are spare along with 7501 onwards, so there are lots of numbers still free seemingly.
Quote from: Tony on December 17, 2018, 02:02:03 PM
No numbers can be reused on the current system which dates back to around 2000, so some Metrobuses/Scanias are still on there hence why the StreetDecks started at 3301. 73xx were the Wisharts Coaches and 74xx are still in use see main fleetlist.
I do actually know what I am doing when I allocated the numbers!
Nobody said you didn't Tony!
We're all just trying to work out how you do it!
I have a WMT fleetlist from c.2000 showing many of the newly-absorbed Your Bus fleet numbered into the 5xxx series - does that mean the early five-thousand fleet number series can't be used now?
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 17, 2018, 03:59:53 PM
I have a WMT fleetlist from c.2000 showing many of the newly-absorbed Your Bus fleet numbered into the 5xxx series - does that mean the early five-thousand fleet number series can't be used now?
That's why the Hybrids are 54xx and 55xxp
Quote from: Tony on December 17, 2018, 05:12:49 PM
That's why the Hybrids are 54xx and 55xxp
Ah right, that has rendered 5001-5400 unusable then. This 'can't re-use numbers' must be a pain as whole blocks have to be left out! The highest numbered 5xxx (in this fleet list) is 5201 a DAF/Ikarus, N23 FWU, new in 1995. I don't know if there were any higher numbered ones.
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 17, 2018, 05:47:38 PM
Ah right, that has rendered 5001-5400 unusable then. This 'can't re-use numbers' must be a pain as whole blocks have to be left out! The highest numbered 5xxx (in this fleet list) is 5201 a DAF/Ikarus, N23 FWU, new in 1995. I don't know if there were any higher numbered ones.
N23 FWU was sent up to Dundee and used as our training bus for years, it was also renumbered 7419.
Quote from: DavieDD2 on December 17, 2018, 06:00:47 PM
N23 FWU was sent up to Dundee and used as our training bus for years, it was also renumbered 7419.
That bus, at the very least, has helped to 'block out' two range of potential numbers! Not quite when the 5xxx series was adopted - but by 2001 Travel Your Bus and most of its fleet had gone.
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 17, 2018, 07:45:40 PM
That bus, at the very least, has helped to 'block out' two range of potential numbers! Not quite when the 5xxx series was adopted - but by 2001 Travel Your Bus and most of its fleet had gone.
A lot of numbers are used enthusiasts never see.
74xx is Dundee service vehicles
Quote from: Tony on December 17, 2018, 07:47:34 PM
A lot of numbers are used enthusiasts never see.
74xx is Dundee service vehicles
In a 2001 fleet list - preserved 3225 is actually numbered 7225, but I don't suppose it ever carried that?
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 17, 2018, 07:50:31 PM
In a 2001 fleet list - preserved 3225 is actually numbered 7225, but I don't suppose it ever carried that?
No. It is still 7225 officially, but since 3225 (H225 LOM) left generally referred to as 3225 again
3035 is actually H3035 and 3997 will be H3997
Noted 6902/3/5/7/9/10/11/12/13/14 in Birmingham yesterday. Not all in service though.
6711 now de branded
Can
@Tony confirm whether down the line there is any plan to remove 6956s upper deck and renumber it as 1956? ;D ;D ;D
https://flic.kr/p/2dHbT3M
6949 seen on test
Photo by Gordon Scott
6919 out on X10.
6920 on 9
Quote from: Brummie45 on December 22, 2018, 08:54:34 AM
6919 out on X10.
6920 on 9
and
6916 on the 9
6922 on the X10
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 21, 2018, 03:14:45 PM
Can @Tony confirm whether down the line there is any plan to remove 6956s upper deck and renumber it as 1956? ;D ;D ;D
why would they do that and why'd that cerrain bus
Quote from: Hammad on December 22, 2018, 09:34:12 AM
why would they do that and why'd that cerrain bus
Because that's what they did with the 'proper' 6956. If you do a google search for WDA956T, you'll see!
Quote from: Gareth on December 22, 2018, 09:52:04 AM
Because that's what they did with the 'proper' 6956. If you do a google search for WDA956T, you'll see!
Or check out the Wythall bus museum site also
@Hammad
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 21, 2018, 10:18:16 PM
https://flic.kr/p/2dHbT3M
6949 seen on test
Photo by Gordon Scott
Does this mean the tacho fitted buses will also be delivered before 2019?
Quote from: don on December 22, 2018, 01:25:02 PM
Does this mean the tacho fitted buses will also be delivered before 2019?
Here is BC Tachograph bus 6948 at BC today
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6948.html
6946 also delivered
Quote from: Tony on December 22, 2018, 05:56:36 PM
Here is BC Tachograph bus 6948 at BC today
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6948.html
6946 also delivered
Tbh, if you manage to get the whole lot in service by 2019, you'll all deserve a major bonus!!
Quote from: don on December 22, 2018, 06:17:57 PM
Tbh, if you manage to get the whole lot in service by 2019, you'll all deserve a major bonus!!
6893-6901 won't be in service this year
Quote from: Tony on December 22, 2018, 06:26:47 PM
6893-6901 won't be in service this year
66 isn't bad!
6947 now at BC
6935 is in service at PN on the 126
All 6902-6914 in service this lunchtime on the 50.
On bbc Midlands radio , this morning it said NXWM will spend £22 million on new buses just wondering is this the bus order that is still coming atm 6893-6967
Ive heard off a driver yesterday who is based at YW that NXWM are getting 6 E200MMC'S ( EV) apparently all the drivers at YW have been told. I wonder if there is any truth in this.
Quote from: 4369Beast on January 06, 2019, 12:23:51 PM
Ive heard off a driver yesterday who is based at YW that NXWM are getting 6 E200MMC'S ( EV) apparently all the drivers at YW have been told. I wonder if there is any truth in this.
Coventry will be getting 10.
Is the rumoured "6" in addition to those for CV? ???
I think so?
Quote from: CL on January 06, 2019, 01:54:43 PM
Coventry will be getting 10.
Is the rumoured "6" in addition to those for CV? ???
There was an article at some point stating that there would be 19 new electric vehicles coming to the Midlands as well as 22 Hydrogen buses in 2019?
Are either of these part of this and are the Hydrogen buses still due this year as well?
What service will the 6 new electric buses at yw be going to on if it's true
Quote from: Solo1 on January 06, 2019, 03:23:58 PM
What service will the 6 new electric buses at yw be going to on if it's true
It's a bit too early to say
Quote from: Solo1 on January 06, 2019, 03:23:58 PM
What service will the 6 new electric buses at yw be going to on if it's true
See the official press release that was put out.
Don't expect any in the next 12 months
The 11 buses used for promotional photos today
Quote from: Tony on January 06, 2019, 04:08:28 PM
See the official press release that was put out.
Don't expect any in the next 12 months
This press release?
https://www.nationalexpressgroup.com/newsmedia/news-across-the-group/2018/does-birmingham-dream-of-electric-buses/
Quote from: Stu on January 06, 2019, 05:43:33 PM
This press release?
https://www.nationalexpressgroup.com/newsmedia/news-across-the-group/2018/does-birmingham-dream-of-electric-buses/
See This Quote (from November) so still about 16 months away
Within 18 months, National Express plans to have electric buses operating regularly in Solihull, Birmingham and Coventry.
Given the 'new' style route branding being applied to vehicles on Routes 9 and 50 can we assume that NXWM has settled on this as the style to be used in future as the replacement for the many existing branding styles currently applied to vehicles?
Quote from: Tony on January 06, 2019, 05:52:02 PM
See This Quote (from November) so still about 16 months away
Within 18 months, National Express plans to have electric buses operating regularly in Solihull, Birmingham and Coventry.
Why 16 month wait?
Was reading ADL tweets today regarding introduction of 9xE200EV vehicles by Stagecoach in Guildford and 21xE400 City biogas fuelled vehicles in Bristol by First Group. NXWM does appear to be trailing behind the other major groups in introducing 'new' fuel technology. Is it that they are unsure of the new technology, waiting on budget availability or some other reason?
Quote from: RW on January 07, 2019, 08:40:21 PM
Why 16 month wait?
Was reading ADL tweets today regarding introduction of 9xE200EV vehicles by Stagecoach in Guildford and 21xE400 City biogas fuelled vehicles in Bristol by First Group. NXWM does appear to be trailing behind the other major groups in introducing 'new' fuel technology. Is it that they are unsure of the new technology, waiting on budget availability or some other reason?
NX won funding back in 2016, same time as First/Bristol CC bid for the Bio Gas Bus funding IIRC, no idea on delays in ordering.
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/olev-low-emission-bus-scheme-july-2016
Maybe because West Midlands not completed bus infrastructure projects, unlike say the first bristol examples with their Metrobús be it just 3 routes at the mo
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 07, 2019, 10:43:32 PM
Maybe because West Midlands not completed bus infrastructure projects, unlike say the first bristol examples with their Metrobús be it just 3 routes at the mo
Before praising Bristol check out all the bad press on the overspends and other chaos about it
Some videos of the 'Platinum 50' official photo shoot on Sunday are here
https://vimeo.com/user19340551?fbclid=IwAR0hqGIXaseRvdnRovugARoHUHBBDgvBbHqfbhPtduXrlSDQfh6bpFaRwe8
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2019, 06:51:28 PM
Some videos of the 'Platinum 50' official photo shoot on Sunday are here
https://vimeo.com/user19340551?fbclid=IwAR0hqGIXaseRvdnRovugARoHUHBBDgvBbHqfbhPtduXrlSDQfh6bpFaRwe8
Ah, you just beat me too it, just seen the article on Birmingham Updates, very cool!
Quote from: Stu on January 08, 2019, 06:54:38 PM
Ah, you just beat me too it, just seen the article on Birmingham Updates, very cool!
Well chuffed with how well I parked the '50'
Well done Tony! :D
Newly delivered today are
6926 for Pensnett
6944 for Yardley Wood.
6949 for Birmingham Central.
hoping to have them all ready for Friday.
6917 now ready to go to Pensnett
6923 will be ready for Pensnett tomorrow
6920 is currently being 9 branded and should be back at PN tonight
6930 and another on their delivery runs coming into Brum along the expressway around 10.45am
Quote from: John on January 10, 2019, 11:37:44 AM
6930 and another on their delivery runs coming into Brum along the expressway around 10.45am
Flood of new buses arrived today! PN 6927; 6929; 6930; 6931; 6933
BC 6950
all currently at BC
6923 now fully branded for the 9 and ready to go to Pensnett tonight
6947 on the 70 this afternoon
Quote from: broma1k on January 10, 2019, 03:08:58 PM
6947 on the 70 this afternoon
it wasn't as I'm from that school and I use the bus to and from it was 6857 that was on there today
Quote from: SK68MEV on January 10, 2019, 03:45:58 PM
it wasn't as I'm from that school and I use the bus to and from it was 6857 that was on there today
I'm on 6947 now towards Brum at the bromford
Quote from: Jack6101 on January 10, 2019, 04:32:49 PM
I'm on 6947 now towards Brum at the bromford
Yes, 6947 has been on Coleshill all day. 6857 is on the X20
Quote from: Tony on January 10, 2019, 04:42:28 PM
Yes, 6947 has been on Coleshill all day. 6857 is on the X20
I thought she meant the school 70 as whatever bus appears on there goes onto X20
Quote from: Tony on January 10, 2019, 04:42:28 PM
Yes, 6947 has been on Coleshill all day. 6857 is on the X20
The 70 is a School service via Ward End, The Fox & Goose and Washwood Heath Rd, the MMC used in the afternoon goes onto the X20 when it gets to the City Centre afterwards. The X70 goes via Bromford, not the 70.
Curious: will the X10 be branded in due course, also?
Quote from: CL on January 10, 2019, 11:21:18 PM
Curious: will the X10 be branded in due course, also?
Yes, the X10 will be branded.
Pretty sure I saw 6918 on Colmore Row this morning with 9 branding.
Quote from: uniquicity on January 14, 2019, 06:33:37 PM
Pretty sure I saw 6918 on Colmore Row this morning with 9 branding.
I saw it yesterday branded for the 9 so your eyes didn't deceive you!
6136 & 6145 now Outer Circle branded.
Noted Coventrys sole falkirk built platinum this evening 6951 on the 12X not sure how long this has been in service.
Quote from: tphi12000 on January 17, 2019, 08:48:31 PM
Noted Coventrys sole falkirk built platinum this evening 6951 on the 12X not sure how long this has been in service.
Today I believe is it's first day out
And 6115
And 6120
which of 6915-6942 will be branded for the 9 or the X10?
Quote from: busboy31 on January 20, 2019, 07:05:20 PM
which of 6915-6942 will be branded for the 9 or the X10?
Pretty much all of 6918-30 (except 6927/9 which I expect will get done) are 9 branded already.
.6934 is 1for X10
Quote from: 2206 on January 21, 2019, 04:05:58 PM
6122 is now done as well.
Can't see any mention of it, 6118 has now been done.
There will be a break in the Outer Circle branding for the next couple of weeks while the Coventry Platinums get done
Are the 50 branded ones in the 689x series shown in a recent picture at WN still, awaiting some additional work before entering service?
6141 is now Outer Circle branded.
Quote from: Tony on January 25, 2019, 07:12:39 PM
There will be a break in the Outer Circle branding for the next couple of weeks while the Coventry Platinums get done
Love the new branding on 9/11 will the 80/80A get this branding
I think the only ones of this delivery of 75 not now at their allocated garage is 6895; 6896 still at WN & 6894; 6898 still at BC
4698's receiving (at time of posting) / received some training branding
6137 now Outer Circle branded.
Will 6711 be branded for X12 or recieve generic branding
officially announced today is this years order which is for another 75 platinums (6968-7000; 7500-7541) which are due in about 3 months
Quote from: Tony on February 08, 2019, 10:29:54 AM
officially announced today is this years order which is for another 75 platinums (6968-7000; 7500-7541) which are due in about 3 months
Excellent news. I'm just waiting for the 'the brand is being diluted' nonsense comments!
Quote from: Gareth on February 08, 2019, 10:31:39 AM
Excellent news. I'm just waiting for the 'the brand is being diluted' nonsense comments!
I don't see how anyone can complain about further new investment with higher spec buses, whether destined full stopping or limited stop routes.
Quote from: Winston on February 08, 2019, 10:36:30 AM
I don't see how anyone can complain about further new investment with higher spec buses, whether destined full stopping or limited stop routes.
Agreed. If anything it enhances the whole NXWM brand.
Quote from: Tony on February 08, 2019, 10:29:54 AM
officially announced today is this years order which is for another 75 platinums (6968-7000; 7500-7541) which are due in about 3 months
Great news, I presume this will see off most of the 51/02 plate Tridents, either by replacing them directly or allowing for cascades?
Are you allowed to say what routes they're for yet? I'm crossing my fingers for the 79 but I doubt it, but if not, the 74 would be great, then move those E400s to WN or something. ;)
Quote from: Gareth on February 08, 2019, 10:40:49 AM
Agreed. If anything it enhances the whole NXWM brand.
And 164 new vehicles in 6 months is an impressive investment, that's not far off First & Stagecoach(excluding London) annual investment in a much bigger fleet
Quote from: Gareth on February 08, 2019, 10:40:49 AM
Agreed. If anything it enhances the whole NXWM brand.
Exactly, and the new bolder coloured branding on the Platinum base liveries now seen on the 9 & 50 shuts the 'Platinum Livery is so dull crowd up'
Quote from: StourValley98 on February 08, 2019, 10:43:44 AM
Great news, I presume this will see off most of the 51/02 plate Tridents, either by replacing them directly or allowing for cascades?
Are you allowed to say what routes they're for yet? I'm crossing my fingers for the 79 but I doubt it, but if not, the 74 would be great, then move those E400s to WN or something. ;)
Not actually decided yet is why I cannot tell you the routes
Quote from: Gareth on February 08, 2019, 10:40:49 AM
Agreed. If anything it enhances the whole NXWM brand.
Also depends on whether we've reached the point when these will replace the original Platinums (to be repainted into Crimson / Blue / Green) or if they are in addition
Quote from: StourValley98 on February 08, 2019, 10:43:44 AM
Great news, I presume this will see off most of the 51/02 plate Tridents, either by replacing them directly or allowing for cascades?
Are you allowed to say what routes they're for yet? I'm crossing my fingers for the 79 but I doubt it, but if not, the 74 would be great, then move those E400s to WN or something. ;)
I'll use my old prediction
Quote from: Sayeed on December 30, 2017, 04:15:15 AM
Platinums for the 1 & 59 (WN)
Quote from: Tony on February 08, 2019, 10:44:50 AM
And 164 new vehicles in 6 months is an impressive investment, that's not far off First & Stagecoach(excluding London) annual investment in a much bigger fleet
Also not forgetting the following coaches arriving in the same period:
15 x Scania / Levante III's for Start Hill (14) & Walsall (1)
6 x Scania / Levante II's for JLR (BC)
Quote from: Winston on February 08, 2019, 10:47:48 AM
Also not forgetting the following coaches arriving in the same period:
15 x Scania / Levante III's for Start Hill (14) & Walsall (1)
6 x Scania / Levante II's for JLR (BC)
20xscania levante for JLR (hence the gap in the fleetnumbers up to WA 277) in the same period along with more for owned ops and around another 25 new hi-spec coaches for the Kings ferry group + the Citaros for Stewarts
Quote from: Tony on February 08, 2019, 10:54:20 AM
20xscania levante for JLR (hence the gap in the fleetnumbers up to WA 277) in the same period along with more for owned ops and around another 25 new hi-spec coaches for the Kings ferry group + the Citaros for Stewarts
I was just going on the additions under WMT Ltd.
It's got to be the way to go, to try and turnaround the year on year falls in passenger number nationwide.
Slight shame the fleet numbers couldn't continue from 6968 without a gap - but the others are occupied! It's probably 40 years since 7000 (and beyond) was reached and passed in the PTE era.
51 and 33 need another upgrade it's been soooo long ;)
Actually it's been a while since the 4/ 37 has had an upgrade lol
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 08, 2019, 02:46:21 PM
51 and 33 need another upgrade it's been soooo long ;)
Please no, it's bad enough when a Platinum appears on the 51 and people let it go past as they think it's the X51.
It's actually time the 907, 952 and X21 had an upgrade 8)
I think there's a chance they could send some to PE and put them on the 529, and more to YW for the 35 perhaps?
Quote from: Jack on February 08, 2019, 03:35:50 PMIt's actually time the 907, 952 and X21 had an upgrade.
Probably more chance of the ☓21 being withdrawn than upgraded.
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 08, 2019, 04:12:19 PM
Probably more chance of the ☓21 being withdrawn than upgraded.
What makes you think that? X21's are always busy and carry full loads when I see them, paticularly at peak times.
I can't see NX pulling from busy journeys.
It'll be interesting to see where they go.
Would be nice if one of the main Chelmsley - City Centre routes, 94 or 97 in East B'ham, was to get an upgrade and get Platinum buses.
4/A and 6 on the Stratford Rd and they would probably benefit from double decks as well, or the 72 maybe?
Quote from: Jack on February 08, 2019, 03:35:50 PM
I think there's a chance they could send some to PE and put them on the 529, and more to YW for the 35 perhaps?
WN 529? That route already has Platinum double decks. The average passenger probably won't be able to tell the difference between these and the 2016 batch. The 2016 batch are still in a decent condition.
Agreed about time some of the ex lea hall corridors got a look in.
Probs a silly question but the platinums MMC again???
Quote from: 2206 on February 08, 2019, 04:56:26 PM
WN 529? That route already has Platinum double decks. The average passenger probably won't be able to tell the difference between these and the 2016 batch. The 2016 batch are still in a decent condition.
Oops that should of said PE for the 126!
Quote from: danny on February 08, 2019, 05:33:57 PM
Probs a silly question but the platinums MMC again???
It was confirmed last time that subsequent deliveries will be Platinum spec
I ment bus type...
Quote from: uniquicity on February 08, 2019, 10:46:37 AM
Also depends on whether we've reached the point when these will replace the original Platinums (to be repainted into Crimson / Blue / Green) or if they are in addition
Will it ever get to that point where Platties are downgraded to normal service buses, upon reaching a certain age?
Quote from: Westy on February 08, 2019, 06:07:50 PM
Will it ever get to that point where Platties are downgraded to normal service buses, upon reaching a certain age?
The point is Platinums ARE normal service buses. Why would you remove features people are starting to expect.
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 08, 2019, 04:12:19 PM
Probably more chance of the ☓21 being withdrawn than upgraded.
So what would you replace the X21 with then, please don't say bring back the 29 !
Quote from: Steve3229vp on February 08, 2019, 06:36:19 PM
So what would you replace the X21 with then, please don't say bring back the 29 !
What?
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 08, 2019, 06:42:24 PM
What?
Your Status: Probably more chance of the ☓21 being withdrawn than upgraded.
My Status: So what would you replace the X21 with then, please don't say bring back the 29 !
While I would agree with any comment that the Platinum brand is being 'diluted' or 'devalued' with the introduction of ever more Platinum-spec buses and route upgrades, if this is to be the new 'standard spec' moving forwards, then it can only be a good thing.
If we can only play guessing games for now, I might hazard a guess and speculate that either the 74 or 82/87 at WB might get the Platinum treatment as its been a few years since their last upgrade. The 94 or 97 could be a good call too.
I think it is probably more likely that these new Platinum vehicles could be used to 'upgrade' existing Platinum routes at PB or WA, to see current Platinum vehicles cascaded elsewhere, much in the same way that the X1 and X2 original vehicles were used to upgrade the X10 and X12.
Personally, I think its highly unlikely my regular routes 2 and 3 would ever become Platinum, but I would be happy if YW could get some decent cascades in to see off some of the elderly Tridents.
Quote from: Stu on February 08, 2019, 08:01:04 PM
I think it is probably more likely that these new Platinum vehicles could be used to 'upgrade' existing Platinum routes at PB or WA, to see current Platinum vehicles cascaded elsewhere, much in the same way that the X1 and X2 original vehicles were used to upgrade the X10 and X12.
Why do you think that? There's nothing wrong with the 2 year old buses on the X1/X2/X3/X4/X5/X7/X8/529?
The passengers won't be able to tell the difference between the PB batch and the new ones. To the passengers they're exactly the same as the new ones, so its not realy an upgrade. I don't think any of the passengers on the X1/X2 can tell the difference between the 2016/17/18 MMC.
The reason that occured with the orriginal X1 and X2 ones, I believe is as it was said they couldn't operate the 2015 MMC and later batches at the same garage, due to differences between them?
If the 74 / 87/82 wb routes got a make over before the 94/97 that would really be taking the Micheal considering they have had upgrades fairly recently. However I could end up being surprised :o
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 08, 2019, 08:21:15 PM
If the 74 / 87/82 wb routes got a make over before the 94/97 that would really be taking the Micheal considering they have had upgrades fairly recently. However I could end up being surprised :o
Yeah, but that would then allow for those buses to be cascaded elsewhere to replace even older ones. The 82/87 Trident E400s are over 10 years old though, they aren't that new.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on February 08, 2019, 07:01:01 PM
Your Status: Probably more chance of the ☓21 being withdrawn than upgraded.
My Status: So what would you replace the X21 with then, please don't say bring back the 29 !
I'm not sure what the 29 has to do with it.
Quote from: 2206 on February 08, 2019, 08:08:23 PM
Why do you think that? There's nothing wrong with the 2 year old buses on the X1/X2/X3/X4/X5/X7/X8/529?
The passengers won't be able to tell the difference between the PB batch and the new ones. To the passengers they're exactly the same as the new ones, so its not realy an upgrade. I don't think any of the passengers on the X1/X2 can tell the difference between the 2016/17/18 MMC.
The reason that occured with the orriginal X1 and X2 ones, I believe is as it was said they couldn't operate the 2015 MMC and later batches at the same garage, due to differences between them?
Please, calm down with the hostility, and reciting the list of bus routes, we are all already aware of them.
And note the use of my wording "I think", "more likely" and "could", as well as 'upgrade' enclosed within quotes, we are all just speculating here and putting forward opinions.
There may not be any benefit to passengers, but there could be operational reasons for doing what I suggested, perhaps if has already been suggested another Walsall route such as the 51 were to be Platinum upgraded, or the 94 at Perry Barr, it might be beneficial to have most of the new vehicles go there, and cascade the older ones elsewhere, as has already been done previously at BC.
I might of course be wrong, only those within NX will really know what is planned.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 08, 2019, 08:21:15 PM
If the 74 / 87/82 wb routes got a make over before the 94/97 that would really be taking the Micheal considering they have had upgrades fairly recently. However I could end up being surprised :o
Quote from: StourValley98 on February 08, 2019, 08:23:46 PM
Yeah, but that would then allow for those buses to be cascaded elsewhere to replace even older ones. The 82/87 Trident E400s are over 10 years old though, they aren't that new.
I'd happily have those 82/87 E400s at YW for the 2 and 3, even if they are over ten years old, would be an improvement over the 14-16 year old Tridents currently used. ;D
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 08, 2019, 08:48:59 PM
I'm not sure what the 29 has to do with it.
Nothing as far as your concerned personally so my apologies to you, but I've seen countless comments (not necessarily on this forum) about bringing back the 29 as the X21 is the only bus from City and Weoley Castle. I used to use the 29 but I prefer the X22 as it is quicker to Quinton Road, I also used to use the X64 but the X21 is better because it avoids the Hospital main entrance. Just out of interest what would you replace the X21 with as per your original status.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on February 08, 2019, 09:15:22 PM
Nothing as far as your concerned personally so my apologies to you, but I've seen countless comments (not necessarily on this forum) about bringing back the 29 as the X21 is the only bus from City and Weoley Castle. I used to use the 29 but I prefer the X22 as it is quicker to Quinton Road, I also used to use the X64 but the X21 is better because it avoids the Hospital main entrance. Just out of interest what would you replace the X21 with as per your original status.
They're right, but that's another discussion entirely.
Quote from: Tony on February 08, 2019, 10:29:54 AM
officially announced today is this years order which is for another 75 platinums (6968-7000; 7500-7541) which are due in about 3 months
That'll finish off the 41** and 43** tridents, I would imagine :'(
No thanks, leave my 51 be with it's E400's 8)
Yeah, just throw the Platinums out onto the Soho Road and get vandalised...
I'm going to predict that the next Platinums will be for the 33, 51, 45/47 and 60. (Probably miles off!).
Ok, here's my go at a prediction:-
1) As CV currently have 38 Tridents/B7TL (to 4424) I would expect one route's worth of extra Platinums for them (plus some cascaded E400 and also EV200 later in the year)
2) As the only corridors without significant Platinum operation in Birmingham are, probably Pershore Road, Soho Road, Alum Rock etc, Warwick Road I'd say at least one of 45/47 (possibly cascading 489x/490x E400 to CV), 94, 16.
3) WB 5 (could cascade 497x/498x E400 to CV)
4) WA 51 or 6
5) WN 1
150 Platinums appear to be enough to replace all non-trap fitted Tridents (to 4414 - thanks for comment 2206) and B7TL (maybe except 4415-4424)
Quote from: Mike K on February 09, 2019, 10:28:54 AM
I'm going to predict that the next Platinums will be for the 33, 51, 45/47 and 60. (Probably miles off!).
I'd say that's not far off but I can see WB getting something.
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 09, 2019, 12:59:34 PM
I'd say that's not far off but I can see WB getting something.
NX can't mix the 2015 and later deliveries can they though as they keep them apart?
If that was to happen and the 51 at WA was to get them they would probably require most of the new batch wouldn't they, about 60 i'd guess? It wouldn't leave many left for the 33, 45/7 and 60 would it, as the 15 reg would have to go to AG or WB it seeems? Unless they were to send them to a Garage such as PB, in exchage for the newer platinums, but swapping the later deliveries for the old ones without the charging points would be a bit of a downgrade for passengers on those routes?
Unless it is possible to fit charging points to 6701 - 58?
Quote from: 2206 on February 09, 2019, 01:11:12 PM
NX can't mix the 2015 and later deliveries can they though as they keep them apart?
If that was to happen and the 51 at WA was to get them they would probably require most of the new batch wouldn't they, about 60 i'd guess? It wouldn't leave many left for the 33, 45/7 and 60 would it, as the 15 reg would have to go to AG or WB it seeems? Unless they were to send them to a Garage such as PB, in exchage for the newer platinums, but swapping the later deliveries for the old ones without the charging points would be a bit of a downgrade for passengers on those routes?
Unless it is possible to fit charging points to 6701 - 58?
Pensnett has both types of MMC (6101-10 are still there) so that not mixing of types has already gone out of the window.
I think some of the new batch will go to WB who have no Platinums currently, maybe upgrade the 74 and cascade the E400s to another garage/route.
Quote from: Mike K on February 09, 2019, 01:16:41 PM
Pensnett has both types of MMC (6101-10 are still there) so that not mixing of types has already gone out of the window.
Is that something to do with those being Crimson MMC rather than Platinum though?
Tony said the seats on both types of platinum are different sizes so there are problems there if they were mixed?
Or as you say will they start to mix them now, it'll be interesting to see?
Quote from: Tony on October 27, 2018, 02:40:25 PM
The interior spec is one reason for keeping them apart. The seat cushions are a different size on 6701-58 and would cause problems if swapped between vehicles
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 09, 2019, 01:17:33 PM
I think some of the new batch will go to WB who have no Platinums currently, maybe upgrade the 74 and cascade the E400s to another garage/route.
WB would need quite a lot for the 74 surely.
Quote from: 2206 on February 09, 2019, 01:18:10 PM
Is that something to do with those being Crimson MMC rather than Platinum though?
Tony said the seats on both types of platinum are different sizes so there are problems there if they were mixed?
Or as you say will they start to mix them now, it'll be interesting to see?
My understanding was that it was for engineering reasons (something to do with different wheels on the newer ones rings a bell?). They also have different gearboxes.
I suspect that as more of the newer type enter service, it will be difficult to fully segregate types.
Quote from: Mike K on February 09, 2019, 01:51:53 PM
My understanding was that it was for engineering reasons (something to do with different wheels on the newer ones rings a bell?). They also have different gearboxes.
I suspect that as more of the newer type enter service, it will be difficult to fully segregate types.
They will be kept seperate this year.
@Tony will the 15/65 plate platinums have USB ports retro fitted?
Quote from: Tony on February 09, 2019, 02:01:42 PM
They will be kept seperate this year.
Narrows it down a bit - none for AG or WA then.
I'm wondering now - 6968-6982 ish for CV ;D (keeps the numbers together)
Quote from: Mike K on February 09, 2019, 01:16:41 PM
Pensnett has both types of MMC (6101-10 are still there) so that not mixing of types has already gone out of the window.
Not for too much longer
Quote from: pndriver on February 09, 2019, 04:51:32 PM
Not for too much longer
why is pensnett having some more new platinum buses or more second hand buses 😂
Quote from: pndriver on February 09, 2019, 04:51:32 PM
Not for too much longer
I thought
@Tony confirmed 6101-10 were staying at PN for the 126?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 09, 2019, 05:32:29 PM
I thought @Tony confirmed 6101-10 were staying at PN for the 126?
Not sure? They might get transferred to Acocks Green with the others.
Quote from: busboy31 on February 09, 2019, 05:42:14 PM
Not sure? They might get transferred to Acocks Green with the others.
What will happen to the StreetWrecks then? Moved to Dundee to join the Streetshites? 8)
Quote from: busboy31 on February 09, 2019, 05:42:14 PM
Not sure? They might get transferred to Acocks Green with the others.
If they do go to AG then presumably more Gemini will also be leaving AG? Maybe the Gemini will go to Coventry given that they've got 10 B7TL ALX400 there and replace some 43XX Tridents?
Are the 38 MMC comming to AG at present at the minute enough for the 11. As they had 35 Gemini and still used quite a few ALX400 daily? So would they need an extra few so the route can be completely operated by MMC?
If there were excess at AG and they weren't all needed on the 11, maybe they could go onto the 72, and upgrade this rout as this route that was downgraded when the E200 were taken of a while back, maybe they could be joined by 3301 - 3305 on the 72?
Quote from: 2206 on February 09, 2019, 05:49:42 PM
If its true then presumably more Gemini will also be leaving AG? Maybe the Gemini will go to Coventry given that they've got 10 B7TL ALX400 there and replace some 43XX Tridents?
What about 6101-6110? Maybe they could be transferred to WN to see off their older Tridents?
6101-10 are more the likely to join the rest at Acocks Green so the outer circle can be fully e400mmc
Quote from: Jack6101 on February 09, 2019, 06:09:03 PM
6101-10 are more the likely to join the rest at Acocks Green so the outer circle can be fully e400mmc
I suspect that the MMCs being the only deckers that can be used on the 5 is the issue, even trapped the Volvo ALX400 can't go on forever
Possibly this (WB 74) (PN 126) (BC 45/47) (PB 33) (AG X12 upgraded) AG current Platty's to WA for THE 51??? Guess work.
@Jack nothing wrong with the streetdecks
They are quite reliable
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on February 09, 2019, 07:01:49 PM
@Jack nothing wrong with the streetdecks
They are quite reliable
am they ????
@pndriver
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on February 09, 2019, 07:01:49 PM
@Jack nothing wrong with the streetdecks
They are quite reliable
Not saying they aren't reliable, they look horrid, I'm happy I rarely see them.
Quote from: Jack on February 09, 2019, 07:42:25 PM
Not saying they aren't reliable, they look horrid, I'm happy I rarely see them.
Built like tanks though haha
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on February 09, 2019, 08:03:41 PM
Built like tanks though haha
The OmniCity's are, Scania products are better than Wrightbus, the StreetWreck's look like they should be wine glasses with all the glass they have.
Quote from: Jack on February 09, 2019, 08:17:45 PM
The OmniCity's are, Scania products are better than Wrightbus, the StreetWreck's look like they should be wine glasses with all the glass they have.
The Omnicity's are horrible to drive tbh
Quote from: Dom on February 09, 2019, 08:25:10 PM
The Omnicity's are horrible to drive tbh
Out of interest have you driven all vehicle types in the training fleet?
Quote from: Jack on February 09, 2019, 08:46:13 PM
Out of interest have you driven all vehicle types in the training fleet?
Yes.
Quote from: Jack on February 09, 2019, 08:46:13 PM
Out of interest have you driven all vehicle types in the training fleet?
4697 is completely different to drive than the rest. That one is terrible, but get one of the good ones from 4777-80 and they are actually not too bad
Quote from: cardew on February 09, 2019, 06:20:44 PM
I suspect that the MMCs being the only deckers that can be used on the 5 is the issue, even trapped the Volvo ALX400 can't go on forever
I think it had been said they have no intention to get rid of the trapped ALX400 just yet, with Birmingham going Euro 6 in 2020, so they wouldn't go before then? It's a shame that they don't take some of the seat cushions out of the withdrawn refurbed ALX400 and put them into these.
Also the 5 interoworking with the 73 would need about 16 MMC i'd have expected, given there are 16 ALX400?
Quote from: 2206 on February 09, 2019, 05:49:42 PM
If they do go to AG then presumably more Gemini will also be leaving AG? Maybe the Gemini will go to Coventry given that they've got 10 B7TL ALX400 there and replace some 43XX Tridents?
Are the 38 MMC comming to AG at present at the minute enough for the 11. As they had 35 Gemini and still used quite a few ALX400 daily? So would they need an extra few so the route can be completely operated by MMC?
If there were excess at AG and they weren't all needed on the 11, maybe they could go onto the 72, and upgrade this rout as this route that was downgraded when the E200 were taken of a while back, maybe they could be joined by 3301 - 3305 on the 72?
I doubt it, as a rough calculation, during the day the 11 takes 2 hours and 30 minutes and 20 buses are needed for the A route and 19 for the C route (if my calculations are correct). So that's 39 buses before you consider peak hour boards, vehicles under examination or repair. Therefore if 6101 -10 are going somewhere, it's bound to be AG.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 09, 2019, 11:13:23 PM
I doubt it, as a rough calculation, during the day the 11 takes 2 hours and 30 minutes and 20 buses are needed for the A route and 19 for the C route (if my calculations are correct). So that's 39 buses before you consider peak hour boards, vehicles under examination or repair. Therefore if 6101 -10 are going somewhere, it's bound to be AG.
I'm sure it was stated on here that the PVR for the 11A/C was around 44. I do remember reading that on here although whether its true is something I can't verify. Given the calculation you've laid out, it doesn't seem far fetch.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on February 09, 2019, 08:03:41 PM
Built like tanks though haha
They really are unreliable.
Quote from: BN on February 10, 2019, 07:35:14 AM
They really are unreliable.
The 4 street decks we have at Worcester are some of the most reliable buses in the fleet. Not sure what PN are doing to them to make them unreliable unless actually this is not correct and the odd breakdown is over exaggerated there.
Slightly off topic but what happened to the 22 hydrogen buses coming to brum circa march 2019 ?????
Have they delayed this project?
Had 6931 9 branded bus on X10 late night Wednesday
The next stop announcements now work female voice also blinds been reprogrammed when doing shorts it comes up part route reversed
Quote from: karl724223 on February 14, 2019, 12:25:23 AM
Had 6931 9 branded bus on X10 late night Wednesday
The next stop announcements now work female voice also blinds been reprogrammed when doing shorts it comes up part route reversed
Why do they keep changing the announcements?
Quote from: j789 on February 10, 2019, 07:56:01 PM
The 4 street decks we have at Worcester are some of the most reliable buses in the fleet. Not sure what PN are doing to them to make them unreliable unless actually this is not correct and the odd breakdown is over exaggerated there.
A shame as my experience of the recent Wright double deckers as a passenger is they're excellent.
My prediction, Platinums for Pershore Rd, Pershore Rd Enviros for 97s.
Quote from: B.C Driver on February 16, 2019, 07:27:55 PM
My prediction, Platinums for Pershore Rd, Pershore Rd Enviros for 97s.
The 97 could do with an upgrade of some sort but there's not enough just from the Pershore lot surely?
@BN will the crimson hybrids regain their branding for the 1?
I would hope that PB and BC get a few more to enable the 907 and X21 to be full time platinum. I agree with B.C Driver's prediction that the 45/47 will go Platinum and the Enviros to move to the 97. I also predict that PN will have some more for the 126.
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 16, 2019, 07:34:27 PM
The 97 could do with an upgrade of some sort but there's not enough just from the Pershore lot surely?
Would there be enough to upgrade the 94 maybe?
PVR of the 94 would be less than the 97 I think?
Or maybe upgrade the 60 as well? 60 and 45/47 would free up enough for the 97 i'd have thought?
I also agree that BC should get more so they can ensure the X21 and X70 are both completely Platinum.
Quote from: 2206 on February 16, 2019, 08:31:17 PM
Would there be enough to upgrade the 94 maybe?
PVR of the 94 would be less than the 97 I think?
During the main daytime period (in between peaks) i
think the PVR for the 97 is 19 and the 94 is 13, so you're right the PVR for the 94 is less.
Well there's 18 branded for the 45/47, so it could work then.
6895 is now at yw was out on 50 pic on my flicr site
@Tony will any of the new 75 buses (19 regs) have the same mirrors as 6937?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on February 19, 2019, 09:32:49 PM
@Tony will any of the new 75 buses (19 regs) have the same mirrors as 6937?
what do the mirrors look like
Quote from: SK68MEV on February 20, 2019, 11:08:51 AM
what do the mirrors look like
Pictures are only Tony's main site:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6937.html
They are digital camera mirrors:
https://www.alexander-dennis.com/media/news/2018/october/adl-improves-visibility-with-cameras-in-place-of-mirrors/
They look to be similar to what has been fitted to one of the recent delivery of Enviros to First Glasgow. I forget which one of those it is.....
Quote from: markcf83 on February 20, 2019, 12:15:33 PM
They look to be similar to what has been fitted to one of the recent delivery of Enviros to First Glasgow. I forget which one of those it is.....
If you look at the ADL weblink I've copied & pasted, it's a First Glasgow E400MMC that's pictured in ADL's literature.
I only looked at the attachment recently. The bus featured is the one I was going on about.
I think the 51 may be getting new branding from today. From what I saw, I presume its in the 'older' style that is similar to the 33 branding, and the others in that style. Don't quote me on this, going by what I saw.
Quote from: CL on February 24, 2019, 10:07:43 AM
I think the 51 may be getting new branding from today. From what I saw, I presume its in the 'older' style that is similar to the 33 branding, and the others in that style. Don't quote me on this, going by what I saw.
Route branding for the 51 is the previous style just like the 7, 16, 33 and 101. WHY, WHY, WHY go back to the previous style of route branding when a new and BETTER one has been used for the 9, X10, 11A/C, (11 and 12 in Coventry) and 50 ?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on February 24, 2019, 03:10:22 PM
Route branding for the 51 is the previous style just like the 7, 16, 33 and 101. WHY, WHY, WHY go back to the previous style of route branding when a new and BETTER one has been used for the 9, X10, 11A/C, (11 and 12 in Coventry) and 50 ?
Because it wouldn't match the 33 branding. Would look silly with 2 different styles on the same corridor. Plus I like this one much better. You've actually got route information on the offside, lacking from the diamond branding
Quote from: John on February 24, 2019, 03:48:50 PM
Because it wouldn't match the 33 branding. Would look silly with 2 different styles on the came corridor. Plus I like this one much better. You've actually got route information on the offside, lacking from the diamond branding
The new style branding has also been specifically designed for MMCs at the moment
Looks like if they have been branded for the 51 again it won't receive new buses
Quote from: SK68MEV on February 24, 2019, 04:46:41 PM
Looks like if they have been branded for the 51 again it won't receive new buses
Correct. 4860 has been branded today, so no new buses on the 51 in the next batch
Quote from: SK68MEV on February 24, 2019, 04:46:41 PM
Looks like if they have been branded for the 51 again it won't receive new buses
There was no indication it would recieve new buses.
Quote from: Tony on February 24, 2019, 05:47:57 PM
Correct. 4860 has been branded today, so no new buses on the 51 in the next batch
4860 actually came out for a trip on the 51 earlier this afternoon as a change bus. I managed to get some photos of it in Walsall before it went back to garage...
Just read results for year noticed 29 electric buses on order for next year i know 10 for CV where's the other 19 going to?
Quote from: pb2012 on February 28, 2019, 09:37:45 AM
Just read results for year noticed 29 electric buses on order for next year i know 10 for CV where's the other 19 going to?
Yardley Wood
Is it not about time the ex lea hall routes got some, claribels all the way.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 28, 2019, 11:30:15 PM
Is it not about time the ex lea hall routes got some, claribels all the way.
I agree. 55, 94 or 97.
The 55 would clearly benefit from some double deckers, going by some of the loadings i've seen at busy times (e.g peak times) over the past few weeks such as on 1820 this morning. Shame they don't do a swap and send the 28 to BY and 55 to PB if there's a problem with BY having deckers.
Quote from: 2206 on February 28, 2019, 11:41:49 PM
I agree. 55, 94 or 97.
The 55 would clearly benefit from some double deckers, going by some of the loadings i've seen at busy times (e.g peak times) over the past few weeks such as on 1820 this morning. Shame they don't do a swap and send the 28 to BY and 55 to PB if there's a problem with BY having deckers.
I'm glad its not just me that has noticed this. I've mentioned it a few times but nothing ever changes.
I travel along the Washwood Heath route every weekday (varying between 7.30 & 9.00), and its always the same during term-time. The overcrowding between Fox & Goose & Birmingham City Centre is borderline dangerous. The patronage of this route has drastically changed over the last 10 years, with the influx of students travelling to Matthew Boulton College (stop before City Centre terminus). The loss of routes 70 and 72 along the Washwood Heath Road certainly hasn't helped the situation either.
I've heard the argument before from management at NXWM that the 55 & 94 give a combined frequency along the Washwood Heath Road of every 4 minutes. This is misleading, as the every-day overcrowding normally means that my bus flies along Washwood Heath Road without stopping, leaving people behind at most stops as it simply cannot convey any more passengers. So its not really a 4 minute frequency at all.
During 'rush-hour' (i can't comment on other times of the day) the current capacity simply isn't enough to cope with the demand. This can only be rectified by increasing the rush hour frequency or by introducing double decker buses on to the 55.
I do share the opinion previously mentioned that this corridor rarely sees any investment, so i'm not expecting anything to change.
I agree about the 55. They get way overcrowded to the point the Scanias can't cope. Swapping with the 28 at PB may not be a bad idea but then what route at PB would then go single decker to allow the 55 to be operated by deckers?
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 01, 2019, 10:58:09 AM
I agree about the 55. They get way overcrowded to the point the Scanias can't cope. Swapping with the 28 at PB may not be a bad idea but then what route at PB would then go single decker to allow the 55 to be operated by deckers?
Double deck 55 is not the only solution.
Alternatives could be :-
a) increase the frequency of the 55
b) increase the frequency of the 94
c) add morning peak workings from Fox & Goose to Birmingham.
I can only assume because this corridor isn't competing with rail they don't give a toss or lack of investment in this area vs others is propping up margins
I wonder which garage will get 7000?
Do people know where the next 30+ buses are going yet?
Why have they put advert borders on the 2018 platinums
@BH2004 You didn't need to start a new thread,
there was already an existing one concerning all new deliveries,
Winston
As you all probably know NXWM have ordered their new batch of platinums
Does anyone know what garages they are going to
Quote from: BH2004 on March 04, 2019, 11:05:23 PM
As you all probably know NXWM have ordered their new batch of platinums
Does anyone know what garages they are going to
Well yes. Those who it concerns do.
Spotters. No. It would generally be posted if it was able to be broadcast, why the big rush to know is beyond me. I'm sure wherever they go... certain people will be quick to find them.
What's wrong with people wanting to know, that's why we come on here to get juicy insider bits. Some unnecessary attitude sometimes to be honest.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 05, 2019, 10:38:59 PM
What's wrong with people wanting to know, that's why we come on here to get juicy insider bits. Some unnecessary attitude sometimes to be honest.
I'm sorry, but it's not attitude at all. I'm stating it as it is, i haven't had a go or breathe down anyones neck. The whole point is that info like that is confidential. People on here know by now that such 'juicy gossip' isn't going to be disclosed on here as said by Tony numerous times.
Quote from: Nathan on March 05, 2019, 10:44:20 PM
I'm sorry, but it's not attitude at all. I'm stating it as it is, i haven't had a go or breathe down anyones neck. The whole point is that info like that is confidential. People on here know by now that such 'juicy gossip' isn't going to be disclosed on here as said by Tony numerous times.
The plan is possibly going to be changed again I heard last night, so even if I did post it then it might be wrong
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 05, 2019, 10:38:59 PM
What's wrong with people wanting to know, that's why we come on here to get juicy insider bits. Some unnecessary attitude sometimes to be honest.
For once, I actually completely agree with you ;)
@monkeyjoe
Plan changed there is hope for east Brum yet
Some new delivery's in the coming weeks..
Quote from: 979 on March 19, 2019, 06:57:17 PM
Some new delivery's in the coming weeks..
First ones could possibly come before we go to Cobham on 2957
Quote from: Tony on March 19, 2019, 07:02:33 PM
First ones could possibly come before we go to Cobham on 2957
I'm guessing allocations will be out soon?
Quote from: Tony on March 19, 2019, 07:02:33 PM
First ones could possibly come before we go to Cobham on 2957
Got the day off confirmed I'm soo hyped to go on a metro bus on the motorway
Quote from: Jack6101 on March 19, 2019, 07:10:50 PM
I'm guessing allocations will be out soon?
first batch confirmed for WB 82/7
Quote from: 979 on March 22, 2019, 10:34:29 AM
first batch confirmed for WB 82/7
Seen on Facebook the branding looks good
Quote from: 979 on March 22, 2019, 10:34:29 AM
first batch confirmed for WB 82/7
Not quite the first batch 6970-6993
Don't suppose there's any chance of the ☓21 seeing any of these 75 is there?
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 22, 2019, 12:48:03 PM
Don't suppose there's any chance of the ☓21 seeing any of these 75 is there?
They cope really well with B7RLES I've observed. 😉
Quote from: Tony on March 22, 2019, 10:45:09 AM
Not quite the first batch 6970-6993
Are 6968 and 6969 going to Coventry?
Are any going to Coventry?
What a surprise west side of Brum getting the investment
Not sure if its been mentioned but are any of the new Platinum's being fitted with Tahcographs.
Quote from: WB Driver on March 22, 2019, 10:39:20 PM
Not sure if its been mentioned but are any of the new Platinum's being fitted with Tahcographs.
pretty sure WB will have tachos but only
@Tony can confirm this
Quote from: Tony on March 22, 2019, 06:40:47 PM
No
One of the PB routes getting is Platinum buses, if there is any truth in what he's said?
If so I wander what route they'd be for?
Just seen these comments:
"as I understand the majority of the new order will be based on routes which start from Brum but finish in Black Country zones"
"Meanwhile in Wolverhampton they will be losing all 43** tridents so with the exception of the remaining sixteen 53 plate Tridents, their oldest vehicles will be 61 plates! "
"(although I'm not allowed to name them yet but one is a PB route)"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujD-jpgI3cM (See comments at the bottom of the page).
edit - Looks like he's deleted everything he said now though.
Ummmm interesting, however I suspect 94 etc will just get more cast offs if honest.
Quote from: 2206 on March 22, 2019, 11:11:14 PM
One of the PB routes getting is Platinum buses, if there is any truth in what he's said?
If so I wander what route they'd be for?
Just seen these comments:
"as I understand the majority of the new order will be based on routes which start from Brum but finish in Black Country zones"
"Meanwhile in Wolverhampton they will be losing all 43** tridents so with the exception of the remaining sixteen 53 plate Tridents, their oldest vehicles will be 61 plates! "
"(although I'm not allowed to name them yet but one is a PB route)"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujD-jpgI3cM (See comments at the bottom of the page).
edit - Looks like he's deleted everything he said now though.
You've made it look as if I said that. I said nothing of the sort.
Quote from: Tony on March 23, 2019, 08:07:15 AM
You've made it look as if I said that. I said nothing of the sort.
I never said you said it and I didn't try and make it look as if you said it I either (I didn't intentionally make it look like you said it).
I linked his youtube channel where he said it in my post, I think it was quite clear at the time (maybe not now its deleted).
But the links still there.
Hopes of fair allocation of resources dashed then lol
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 23, 2019, 08:59:59 AM
Hopes of fair allocation of resources dashed then lol
No, because the statement is rubbish
The 33 hasn’t been upgraded for a while, 2011 i believe
Quote from: Tony on March 23, 2019, 09:05:38 AM
No, because the statement is rubbish
I presume it would currently be impossible to withdraw all of WN's Y-reg/51/02/52 plate Tridents (I make 46 in total), given there's only 75 new buses due, plus a whole host of Pvr increases due to various extensions and newly won TfWM contracts from end of April.
Quote from: 37351ml on March 24, 2019, 04:09:05 PM
The 33 hasn't been upgaraded for a while, 2011 i believe
O I forgot about that lol.
Quote from: 37351ml on March 24, 2019, 04:09:05 PM
The 33 hasn't been upgraded for a while, 2011 i believe
Neither has the 51, but they don't need an upgrade, what they need is a frequency increase...
Quote from: 37351ml on March 24, 2019, 04:09:05 PM
The 33 hasn't been upgraded for a while, 2011 i believe
It wouldn't make sense to make the 33 Platinum and leave the 51 as it is. And as the 51 has just be regarded I highly doubt it would happen.
As Jack said both routes need a higher frequency.
the new number 9 buses have finally got adverts on sides.
Quote from: busboy31 on March 29, 2019, 09:01:48 PM
the new number 9 buses have finally got adverts on sides.
I didn't think that they were going to get adverts because of them advertising about platinum on the sides.
Just throwing it out there in the most concise way possible: I'd like to see NX rebrand the buses on the Harborne/Uni corridors, as well as the X7/X8. The latter would go without saying, if the rumours of the X7's withdrawal turns out to be true.
Digging deeper into it; I've had this thought for a while - or at least since the new style of branding was launched on the 50 (and subsequently other routes), a few months back. Perhaps that's why the branding on the aforementioned services look/are incomplete. ??? I wouldn't put it past National Express holding off rebranding until the new style was already rolled out. This, to me, seems like a logical explanation as to why those branded vehicles lack interior route maps, or the front/rear branding.
The Warwick Uni branded buses are an example of how corridor branding could be applied. The current branding on these buses, while undoubtedly incomplete, look like stopgap measures to promote the new/altered routes around the time of the affecting service changes. The Harborne branded ones demonstrates the loss of the 22 & 29 from the corridor, while the X routes promotes, well, the (then) new X routes.
Whilst I can understand it's not a priority in terms of bus operation, it sure would tidy up the fleet if branding were a little more uniform.
4928 debranded from the 5 on wb87 today
First of this next batch are hopefully only 2 weeks away now
Is the WB 5 receiving an upgrade too or are the dudley rd 47xx going onto the 5 releasing the 49xx elsewhere.
Quote from: 37351ml on March 31, 2019, 03:02:59 PM
Is the WB 5 receiving an upgrade too?
Tony said the 47XX aren't leaving WB. And its also been said WN have a 495X on loan for type training for when they recieve theirs?
So it could be that the 47XX will move onto the 5 and 80 and then 4914 - 39 will move to WN?
Quote from: 2206 on March 31, 2019, 03:06:13 PM
Tony said the 47XX aren't leaving WB. And its also been said WN have a 495X on loan for type training for when they recieve theirs?
So it could be that the 47XX will move onto the 5 and 80 and then 4914 - 39 will move to WN?
It could be a rumour but I have heard that the 5 will have Geminis on there.
im sure wn have loaned e400s in the past, and as drivers are typed on e400h are allowed to drive them. I assumed the e400 at wn was loaned so wb could use 6795 for type training
Quote from: mranon on March 31, 2019, 10:49:13 PM
im sure wn have loaned e400s in the past, and as drivers are typed on e400h are allowed to drive them. I assumed the e400 at wn was loaned so wb could use 6795 for type training
It was confirmed its at WN for type training.
Quote from: Tony on March 29, 2019, 08:03:16 AM
It's on one of the Cheslyn Hay school runs. It will likely only do peaks M-F as it is also being used for driver type training
And though some of the drivers can drive the E200/E400, not all of the 500 drivers at WN can.
Quote from: BN on March 30, 2019, 09:49:34 AM
Not everyone of the 500 drivers can drive them though.
Quote from: 2206 on April 01, 2019, 12:37:48 AM
It was confirmed its at WN for type training. And though some of the drivers can drive the E200/E400, not all of the 500 drivers at WN can.
4718-4829 have different dashboard layout to 4830-4984 batch so if 495x is at WN for type tranning it's likely 49xx would transfer over but which ones majority are branded for 5, 74 and 80.
4859 and 4865 are now in the new 51 branding.
75 booked registrations are now on my website
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html
Quote from: Tony on April 04, 2019, 08:51:41 PM
75 booked registrations are now on my website
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html
Tony quite a few of the new buses have links to photos of 6967, I am sure that is not what you intended?
Ian Hardy
Quote from: Ian Hardy on April 06, 2019, 10:22:06 PM
Tony quite a few of the new buses have links to photos of 6967, I am sure that is not what you intended?
Ian Hardy
Assuming he's done it as a template so when the new photos are uploaded, he can just change the fleet number from the URL link rather than insert a new link manually on each one, if that makes sense.
Can someone confirm that the new vehicle series 7500 to 7541 are destined for WM and not Dundee
please?..... Thanks
There not for Dundee all West Midlands been conformed many times
They are not for the ex lea hall routes can confirm that
I've heard Perry Barr are having 22 new platinum buses any truth in this?
Quote from: Nxwm on April 08, 2019, 01:45:58 PM
I've heard Perry Barr are having 22 new platinum buses any truth in this?
I wander what they'd be for? Could it be the 94 getting an upgrade?
Quote from: Nxwm on April 08, 2019, 01:45:58 PM
I've heard Perry Barr are having 22 new platinum buses any truth in this?
I've heard that as well, they'll probably skip out routes in dire need of an upgrade, 65/67, 94 and probably go to something like the 7 or 16, not like they've not had an upgrade...
Quote from: Jack on April 08, 2019, 07:21:13 PM
I've heard that as well, they'll probably skip out routes in dire need of an upgrade, 65/67, 94 and probably go to something like the 7 or 16, not like they've not had an upgrade...
So when did the 7 or 16 last have new buses?
Looks like some of the yw e400mmc have got new red price branding and it's looking very nice
Quote from: Tony on April 08, 2019, 07:24:12 PM
So when did the 7 or 16 last have new buses?
Never said 'new' buses I clearly stated 'upgrade'. They were upgraded several years ago now and quite frankly they don't deserve all high spec buses, the 7 doesn't anyway, more people at Perry Common would use the 65 to City being the faster route, not the 7 which goes through traffic hotspots, so unless they are trying to win people off the 65 to go onto the 7 then I don't get what NX are trying to achieve.
Quote from: Jack on April 08, 2019, 07:27:50 PM
Never said 'new' buses I clearly stated 'upgrade'. They were upgraded several years ago now and quite frankly they don't deserve all high spec buses, the 7 doesn't anyway, more people at Perry Common would use the 65 to City being the faster route, not the 7 which goes through traffic hotspots, so unless they are trying to win people off the 65 to go onto the 7 then I don't get what NX are trying to achieve.
a) I haven't said either route is getting an upgrade
b) If you know so much about what 'people want' why aren't you working in a marketing department
I've been interested in buses for over 45 years now and it's only been recent years that I've seen this obsession term "upgrade" as if a bus route needs it or should have it. It's always nice to have a platinum with USB and WiFi or an Enviro and as many may know how i detest the Scania Omnicities but at the end of the day a bus to work or shopping or home is just a bus. I remember fleetlines and metrobuses being delivered in the late 70's and early 80's and they just appeared on any bus routes, there was no route "upgrade", it's nonsense!
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 08, 2019, 08:06:53 PM
I've been interested in buses for over 45 years now and it's only been recent years that I've seen this obsession term "upgrade" as if a bus route needs it or should have it. It's always nice to have a platinum with USB and WiFi or an Enviro and as many may know how i detest the Scania Omnicities but at the end of the day a bus to work or shopping or home is just a bus. I remember fleetlines and metrobuses being delivered in the late 70's and early 80's and they just appeared on any bus routes, there was no route "upgrade", it's nonsense!
So the fact the Dundee 22 has got a 10% growth in passengers just by 'upgrading' it is rubbish?
Same applys to WM routes
Quote from: Tony on April 08, 2019, 08:12:26 PM
So the fact the Dundee 22 has got a 10% growth in passengers just by 'upgrading' it is rubbish?
Same applys to WM routes
Don't miss understand me Tony and the growth on some routes has been impressive especially the X51, you are right but i just don't get comments about certain bus route are due and upgrade.
Quote from: Tony on April 08, 2019, 08:12:26 PM
So the fact the Dundee 22 has got a 10% growth in passengers just by 'upgrading' it is rubbish?
Same applys to WM routes
It's a shame the 22 seems to be the only route getting an upgrade in Dundee, it's the first since the 5 got 9 hybrids 6 years ago and that was only because a government grant paid for some of them. There was a load of blurb about how 6687-70 were going to clean up the air in the city yet they're on a route that only uses one of Scotland's most polluted roads, the 28/29 uses two of them yet nothing but cascades. With so many ageing Geminis in Dundee it's going to be interesting to see what replaces those, I doubt it'll be shiny new MMC's.
@Tony would there be any plans for single deck Platinums, although I suppose the single deck fleet is quite modern?
Could get rid of those horrid Scanias I suppose.
Quote from: DavieDD2 on April 08, 2019, 08:28:47 PM
It's a shame the 22 seems to be the only route getting an upgrade in Dundee, it's the first since the 5 got 9 hybrids 6 years ago and that was only because a government grant paid for some of them. There was a load of blurb about how 6687-70 were going to clean up the air in the city yet they're on a route that only uses one of Scotland's most polluted roads, the 28/29 uses two of them yet nothing but cascades. With so many ageing Geminis in Dundee it's going to be interesting to see what replaces those, I doubt it'll be shiny new MMC's.
Watch this space!
Quote from: Tony on April 08, 2019, 07:24:12 PM
So when did the 7 or 16 last have new buses?
Has the 7 ever had a batch of buses specifically for it? I can't think of any.
Quote from: Jack on April 08, 2019, 07:27:50 PM
Never said 'new' buses I clearly stated 'upgrade'. They were upgraded several years ago now and quite frankly they don't deserve all high spec buses, the 7 doesn't anyway, more people at Perry Common would use the 65 to City being the faster route, not the 7 which goes through traffic hotspots, so unless they are trying to win people off the 65 to go onto the 7 then I don't get what NX are trying to achieve.
What traffic hotspots?
The only ones I can think of are the end of Summer Lane from city and coming out of city by Snow Hill.
There's nowhere near as much traffic hotspots compared to the Bristol Rd for example.
Quote from: Tony on April 08, 2019, 07:24:12 PM
So when did the 7 or 16 last have new buses?
They brought the E400s from Pensnett and they weren't even new.
Quote from: B.C Driver on April 09, 2019, 01:17:20 PM
What traffic hotspots?
The only ones I can think of are the end of Summer Lane from city and coming out of city by Snow Hill.
There's nowhere near as much traffic hotspots compared to the Bristol Rd for example.
Summer Lane and Witton Road (Villa playing makes it worse).
For those that haven't seen it on facebook here is the finished West Bromwich heritage livery on the way back to the garage this afternoon
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4679.html
Quote from: Tony on April 09, 2019, 06:16:08 PM
For those that haven't seen it on facebook here is the finished West Bromwich heritage livery on the way back to the garage this afternoon
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4679.html
Looks absolutely gorgeous like the BCT livery on 4651, the West Brom Corp livery suits the Gemini bodywork wonderfully.
Quote from: Tony on April 09, 2019, 06:16:08 PM
For those that haven't seen it on facebook here is the finished West Bromwich heritage livery on the way back to the garage this afternoon
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4679.html
Looks absolutely stunning. Will be making a concerted effort to see as many of the vintage repaints as possible in July when I come to the West Midlands.
4905 has the Birmingham Pride 2019 livery.
Do hope the latest repaints make an appearance at Aston Manor before the end of the year.
Quote from: Jack6101 on April 07, 2019, 05:49:01 PM
There not for Dundee all West Midlands been conformed many times
many thanks
Formally announced to staff in this week's business brief
"we've now placed an order for our first batch of fully-electric buses. These will be a batch of 19 Platinum-spec electric double deckers, to arrive in Yardley Wood around Christmas time. Another 10 buses will arrive in Coventry shortly afterwards"
So the question about electric buses not helping overcrowding is answered with them being double deck, so will ease overcrowding.
Quote from: Tony on April 12, 2019, 10:25:26 AM
Formally announced to staff in this week's business brief
"we've now placed an order for our first batch of fully-electric buses. These will be a batch of 19 Platinum-spec electric double deckers, to arrive in Yardley Wood around Christmas time. Another 10 buses will arrive in Coventry shortly afterwards"
So the question about electric buses not helping overcrowding is answered with them being double deck, so will ease overcrowding.
Will these be E400 MMC or E400 City?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on April 12, 2019, 11:01:18 AM
Will these be E400 MMC or E400 City?
Interesting. At the moment the E400EV BYDs (assuming that's what they will be) in London, and those on order for Stagecoach Manchester are E400 City.
Presumably it would be possible for ADL to use either bodywork though?
My friend said he saw an unbranded Platinum MMC this morning heading southbound on the M6 near Warrington, it could be one of the new 19 plates being delivered?
Quote from: StourValley98 on April 13, 2019, 11:36:02 AM
My friend said he saw an unbranded Platinum MMC this morning heading southbound on the M6 near Warrington, it could be one of the new 19 plates being delivered?
The dates certainly match up!
Quote from: Tony on March 31, 2019, 11:29:19 AM
First of this next batch are hopefully only 2 weeks away now
Quote from: StourValley98 on April 13, 2019, 11:36:02 AM
My friend said he saw an unbranded Platinum MMC this morning heading southbound on the M6 near Warrington, it could be one of the new 19 plates being delivered?
I'm sure Tony posted somewhere saying the first 2 will be delivered on a weekend
Quote from: Mike K on April 12, 2019, 12:29:07 PM
Interesting. At the moment the E400EV BYDs (assuming that's what they will be) in London, and those on order for Stagecoach Manchester are E400 City.
Presumably it would be possible for ADL to use either bodywork though?
Could it be dangerous to assume that these are automatically ADL-based vehicles? After all, there are also Optare MetroDeckers which are currently gaining orders now (and indeed there was an announcement recently that they had taken a number of "significant" orders for the type since the Reading and Metroline orders - only one has gone public, which is 21 for First York Park & Ride work). I mean, I know it's very likely that they are ADL, but...
Quote from: amodelofcontrol on April 13, 2019, 06:59:46 PM
Could it be dangerous to assume that these are automatically ADL-based vehicles? After all, there are also Optare MetroDeckers which are currently gaining orders now (and indeed there was an announcement recently that they had taken a number of "significant" orders for the type since the Reading and Metroline orders - only one has gone public, which is 21 for First York Park & Ride work). I mean, I know it's very likely that they are ADL, but...
If you look at the make-up of NXWM's fleet, see how many ADL vehicles there are in relation to Optares.
Quote from: amodelofcontrol on April 13, 2019, 06:59:46 PM
Could it be dangerous to assume that these are automatically ADL-based vehicles? After all, there are also Optare MetroDeckers which are currently gaining orders now (and indeed there was an announcement recently that they had taken a number of "significant" orders for the type since the Reading and Metroline orders - only one has gone public, which is 21 for First York Park & Ride work). I mean, I know it's very likely that they are ADL, but...
Don't forget the MCV Evoseti, it seems to be pretty popular in London, it is fair to say it will probably be ADL, I do prefer the City version of the Enviro.
Out of interest will the pending Platinum deliveries have any regard to the WMCA document setting out liveries for the WM network which provides for a 'red' front on Platinum vehicles or, as I suspect, will they be more of the two tone grey. Do NXWM have any intention of implementing the guideline liveries or are the dozen or so vehicles used on joint routes with Diamond a token recognition of the document and that's as far as NXWM are going?
A red front would totally neutralise the Platinum livery - it would look like any crimson bus. I wouldn't blame NXWM if they stood out against it.
If more tendered work is took on
Would nx need to buy second hand swb e200s
Buy streetlites
Or buy new swb e200s??
Just seen an unrevealing photo of 6968 receiving (presumably) generic branding at BC
What is happening to the other unallocated platinums
Quote from: BH2004 on April 16, 2019, 09:56:34 PM
What is happening to the other unallocated platinums
They will be built after the first 27
Another photo from Gordon Scott: A naked 6975 on test at Falkirk.
6975
https://flic.kr/p/2ebK9A8
edit: have just checked the WB thread. Beat me to it! :P
re: new buses, specifically 7500+
Will these be the ones built with the SmartVision cameras? Seems logical to me to have it start off at a round number, than this current batch being delivered, up to 7000.
Understandable if anyone in the know can't divulge in this topic yet.
6970 was seen on delivery yesterday on a post on flikr
6970 now at bc
6971 has arrived and branded.
Quote from: 979 on April 25, 2019, 03:58:38 PM
6971 has arrived and branded.
That was quick! I only dropped it off a couple of minutes before you posted that. 6970 will be available for service tomorrow. 6971 less likely
With the X7 being withdrawn in June, I was wondering if WN will have to re-brand their platinums to show just the X8 and maybe it will be in the nice styling with a colour like on the 9 / 82 / 87 etc ?
I think it is currently purple, I'm sure it will look great if they do change it as some of the vehicles don't seem to have any branding on the front upper windows or rear, They are just plain etc. ;)
Quote from: TT90 on April 28, 2019, 09:38:04 PM
With the X7 being withdrawn in June, I was wondering if WN will have to re-brand their platinums to show just the X8 and maybe it will be in the nice styling with a colour like on the 9 / 82 / 87 etc ?
I think it is currently purple, I'm sure it will look great if they do change it as some of the vehicles don't seem to have any branding on the front upper windows or rear, They are just plain etc. ;)
I had brought that up previously, but yes, it would make a lot of sense (at least for me) to.
As it stands the current branding for the X7/X8; the 23/34; and University branded MMCs have a "stop-gap style" branding, if you will, that was introduced around the time of their service changes. Probably explains why the front/rear were never branded in the end. I'd love to see the new style branding translated on those mentioned above; given that there aren't much more service changes affecting said services*.
I understand that it takes time, and almost definitely, money - but it would make the fleet look a little more uniform.
*guessing the 23/24 will have their announcements redone (and the services themselves rerouted), once Broad Street works is complete in a few years' time.
@Tony saw you delivering 6972 on All Saints Way earlier I did wave from 4514.
Quote from: WB Driver on April 30, 2019, 02:08:28 PM
@Tony saw you delivering 6972 on All Saints Way earlier I did wave from 4514.
I saw a wave, didn't recognise who it was. 6974; 6975 & 6976 should all be available for WB Tomorrow night. Won't be me delivering these as I am taking 2248 to Dundee then am doing a duplicate NX 409 service on Friday
Quote from: Tony on April 30, 2019, 02:11:22 PM
I saw a wave, didn't recognise who it was. 6974; 6975 & 6976 should all be available for WB Tomorrow night. Won't be me delivering these as I am taking 2248 to Dundee then am doing a duplicate NX 409 service on Friday
Is another streetlite coming down?
https://flic.kr/p/25adMbR
In the corner of the pic it looks like 6979 is ready to come on down to the mids
So have we had any speculation on the routes to get upgraded after the 16 then ? Yes I know if we are supposed to know it would be announced , hence i used the word speculation. Happy days discuss....
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 13, 2019, 09:37:04 PM
So have we had any speculation on the routes to get upgraded after the 16 then ? Yes I know if we are supposed to know it would be announced , hence i used the word speculation. Happy days discuss....
So which routes would be worthy?
Which routes would be worth the investment?
Which routes would see increase in ridership?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on May 03, 2019, 08:56:54 PM
https://flic.kr/p/25adMbR
In the corner of the pic it looks like 6979 is ready to come on down to the mids
pic on photo links of 6979 in west Bromwich
Quote from: aSingh on May 13, 2019, 09:44:04 PM
So which routes would be worthy?
Which routes would be worth the investment?
Which routes would see increase in ridership?
It seems to me every main corridor will go platinum to keep hold of existing customers and attract new alike.
Platinums on Dudley rd treated like crap chicken bones ,fast food packaging ,drink everywhere, I can't see USB ports lasting very long.
Some of the 4700s truly in disgusting condition interior wise , I do wonder those passengers who pay yearly upfront what must they think is this what my £500/£600 gets me shit.
I have said many times in the past you could have cleaners at Dudley bus station to do a quick sweep out as they do in west brom , at one time the harborne buses got swept out at colmore row.
I do my bit throw glass bottles and anything dangerous in the bin use my feet to clear the aisles of rubbish into a corner.
I'm sure the Harborne buses got swept out at Steelhouse Lane for a while too.
Quote from: MasterPlan on May 14, 2019, 10:46:32 AM
I'm sure the Harborne buses got swept out at Steelhouse Lane for a while too.
Yes, they used to come onto the bus and pick up the rubbish at Sterlhouse Lane..
The 72 and X12 have a cleaner at Solihull Station. I think 61/63 and Uni routes might be done on Priory Queensway as well.
Quote from: 2206 on May 14, 2019, 01:40:01 PM
Yes, they used to come onto the bus and pick up the rubbish at Sterlhouse Lane..
The 72 and X12 have a cleaner at Solihull Station. I think 61/63 and Uni routes might be done on Priory Queensway as well.
The uni branded did a couple of months back but the drivers were always coming in late so they had to go straight back out which meant the buses didn't get cleaned
Quote from: MasterPlan on May 14, 2019, 10:46:32 AM
I'm sure the Harborne buses got swept out at Steelhouse Lane for a while too.
The Streetly's and 997 would get cleaned at Bull Street, having seen them get cleaned there since last year. The 4 and 4A also got cleaned in City but that seems to died down now...
Quote from: 2900 on May 14, 2019, 10:29:44 AM
It seems to me every main corridor will go platinum to keep hold of existing customers and attract new alike.
Platinums on Dudley rd treated like crap chicken bones ,fast food packaging ,drink everywhere, I can't see USB ports lasting very long.
Some of the 4700s truly in disgusting condition interior wise , I do wonder those passengers who pay yearly upfront what must they think is this what my £500/£600 gets me shit.
I have said many times in the past you could have cleaners at Dudley bus station to do a quick sweep out as they do in west brom , at one time the harborne buses got swept out at colmore row.
I do my bit throw glass bottles and anything dangerous in the bin use my feet to clear the aisles of rubbish into a corner.
The 2 cleaners at WB Bus station have been made redundant. No idea why, and now you should see the state of the 74E's and 80's. Horrible, horrible, horrible. 74 dudley even worse.
Similar situation at WN bus station. The cleaner has been made redundant and now the X7/8 and 529 platinums he used to clean are now in a sorry state at times. :-\
Are the cleaners employed by an external contractor, Mitie rings a bell.
Quote from: 37351ml on May 15, 2019, 05:55:00 PM
Are the cleaners employed by an external contractor, Mitie rings a bell.
Yes Mitie clean West Bromwich they also clean bus stops.
6790 now debranded from the x7/8 ( still retains the black parts of the branding on them
Quote from: Jack6101 on May 18, 2019, 05:31:59 PM
6790 now debranded from the x7/8 ( still retains the black parts of the branding on them
they will be recieving new branding same style as 82/87 and that includes the black trim but wonder if advert frames will be fitted onto them
THE FARMS Red generic branding of the platinums does look very good , I assume other garages will follow suit
Quote from: 2900 on May 21, 2019, 09:37:40 AM
I assume other garages will follow suit
Yardley Wood have had it for a while now.
6982 seen inside BC with another behind.
Quote from: B.C Driver on May 21, 2019, 10:38:33 AM
6982 seen inside BC with another behind.
Deliveries seem much slower with this batch.
Quote from: Winston on May 21, 2019, 10:40:20 AM
Deliveries seem much slower with this batch.
I think they had a break at ADL last week so the factory was closed
Quote from: 2206 on May 21, 2019, 10:04:38 AM
Yardley Wood have had it for a while now.
Since 82/87 stopped doing the loop around the city I don't get to see any thing from yardley wood garage
6984 on M6 heading to Birmingham! Seen about an hour ago inbetween junction 19 and 18
Quote from: Jack6101 on May 21, 2019, 12:01:20 PM
I think they had a break at ADL last week so the factory was closed
I was referring to the whole of the batch delivered to date i.e. 6968-6982 with 6984 on delivery today.
16 new Platinum MMC's over a six week period (2.7 a week), if that rate continues, it will be another 22 weeks before all 75 are here (end of Oct)
Quote from: Winston on May 25, 2019, 12:58:59 PM
I was referring to the whole of the batch delivered to date i.e. 6968-6982 with 6984 on delivery today.
16 new Platinum MMC's over a six week period (2.7 a week), if that rate continues, it will be another 22 weeks before all 75 are here (end of Oct)
Probably using one production line as they are doing London buses and some stagecoach at the mo
Quote from: B.C Driver on May 21, 2019, 10:38:33 AM
6982 seen inside BC with another behind.
Noted in service today - don't think I've seen this one mentioned / photographed in service yet
@Tony any idea why the Platinum deliveries seem to have stopped.
Quote from: WB Driver on June 10, 2019, 10:58:58 AM
@Tony any idea why the Platinum deliveries seem to have stopped.
There's a slight delay with the last 4 WB ones because they are tacho vehicles and they will be the first buses with the new 'Smart tachographs'. I think the first PB ones might come this week
Quote from: Tony on June 10, 2019, 11:12:30 AM
There's a slight delay with the last 4 WB ones because they are tacho vehicles and they will be the first buses with the new 'Smart tachographs'. I think the first PB ones might come this week
Ok thanks Tony didn't realise WB where having Tacho Platinum's.
First new PB platinum 6993 now delivered at BC
Quote from: Tony on June 10, 2019, 11:54:19 AM
First new PB platinum 6993 now delivered at BC
Quote from: Tony on March 22, 2019, 10:45:09 AM
Not quite the first batch 6970-6993
Has 6993 been diverted to PB then?
Quote from: uniquicity on June 10, 2019, 12:04:05 PM
Has 6993 been diverted to PB then?
It receives ticket machines and branding at bc
Apologies it's the last WB one. First PB one is due this week
Any news on the new branding for the X8 ? All the buses have been debranded but all plain grey at the moment.......... Looking forward to seeing the new livery / branding soon ;)
Quote from: TT90 on June 11, 2019, 09:00:45 AM
Any news on the new branding for the X8 ? All the buses have been debranded but all plain grey at the moment.......... Looking forward to seeing the new livery / branding soon ;)
Quote from Wolverhampton garage thread. 6779 is having new branding applied today
Quote from: BN on June 11, 2019, 11:51:11 AM
This is the new style branding, 6779 is being done now.
Quote from: Nathan on June 11, 2019, 11:55:45 AM
Quote from Wolverhampton garage thread. 6779 is having new branding applied today
Interesting to see if it remains purple. Policy was that all routes along main trunk roads would have the same colour branding (albeit different shades) - 9/X10, 35/50, X1/X2 etc - but the X7 and X8 were anomalies using totally different routes into Birmingham.
For consistency with other Hagley Road routes the X8 could go green.
Do we know currently where the 34 remaining platinums are to be allocated?
I would've guessed 8/9 - PN, 25/26 - BC for the 126 and Bristol Road respectively. The hybrids could then release the E400s on the pershore road. These E400s could then replace the 97 tridents to go to WN and YW, PN could release the remaining MMC's to AG. Just a thought
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on June 11, 2019, 06:55:57 PM
Do we know currently where the 34 remaining platinums are to be allocated?
I would've guessed 8/9 - PN, 25/26 - BC for the 126 and Bristol Road respectively. The hybrids could then release the E400s on the pershore road. These E400s could then replace the 97 tridents to go to WN and YW, PN could release the remaining MMC's to AG. Just a thought
25/26 for the Bristol Road seems steep, there's only ever been max 19 Pershore Rd branded buses + a couple of spares (4895-4912)
Quote from: Winston on June 11, 2019, 08:07:41 PM
25/26 for the Bristol Road seems steep, there's only ever been max 19 Pershore Rd branded buses + a couple of spares (4895-4912)
Plus the 126 pvr is more then 9 now since the frequency Increae
Quote from: Winston on June 11, 2019, 08:07:41 PM
25/26 for the Bristol Road seems steep, there's only ever been max 19 Pershore Rd branded buses + a couple of spares (4895-4912)
BC might get a few more for their current Platinum routes
@Winston so they have enough maybe.
University X20/X21/X22 is mostly Platinum but these still see a couple of B7RLE each day, it was said that these will be leaving BC soon. X70 seems to mostly get standard E400.
Its not uncommon to see the odd non platinum E400 on the 23/24, X20/X21/X22, etc as well.
Quote from: Jack6101 on June 11, 2019, 08:19:22 PM
Plus the 126 pvr is more then 9 now since the frequency Increae
the streetdecks are supposed to be on that route as well
PN also have 6759-61 now also
Quote from: Mike K on June 11, 2019, 06:04:46 PM
Interesting to see if it remains purple. Policy was that all routes along main trunk roads would have the same colour branding (albeit different shades) - 9/X10, 35/50, X1/X2 etc - but the X7 and X8 were anomalies using totally different routes into Birmingham.
For consistency with other Hagley Road routes the X8 could go green.
It has stayed purple.
Looks good but I do think some people will get confused as it says to and from Birmingham City centre and then the every day 10 mins under it. Yeah it says between Wolverhampton and Dudley below that but it's in such small writing.
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 12, 2019, 06:27:32 AM
It has stayed purple.
Looks good but I do think some people will get confused as it says to and from Birmingham City centre and then the every day 10 mins under it. Yeah it says between Wolverhampton and Dudley below that but it's in such small writing.
Yeah I've just seen it on the Mobile Signs website. Bang goes that idea of keeping all corridors a single colour then. Mind you, there are already too many green routes out there anyway.
Quote from: Nathan on June 11, 2019, 11:55:45 AM
Quote from Wolverhampton garage thread. 6779 is having new branding applied today
From the photo uploaded it's not possible to tell. Please someone tell me they haven't completely disfigured the impressive design of the rear of the vehicle and that there is some semblance of windows that can still be seen out of by passengers and presumably drivers.
Quote from: RW on June 12, 2019, 09:32:29 AM
From the photo uploaded it's not possible to tell. Please someone tell me they haven't completely disfigured the impressive design of the rear of the vehicle and that there is some semblance of windows that can still be seen out of by passengers and presumably drivers.
If it's anything like the recent examples, then yes, bits of the windows are obscured by branding - but not entirely. I'd have imagine it follows the same style as the other recently branded examples - in order to maintain uniformity
I wonder if the Harborne/University corridors will be redone in time ??? I know there's no sudden need for them to change now, but I'm just saying it would be nice to see them uniform in the future.
From my perspective, their current branding looks incredibly stopgap, seeing as they were introduced around the time of service changes on the network. The new branding looks much better, imo.
One thing about the new branding that's not so good is the red 'charge into city' branding. It looks like a red route branding. On the BC 50, for instance, you're looking for a blue branded bus, not a red one.
Quote from: Stevo on June 12, 2019, 07:07:55 PM
One thing about the new branding that's not so good is the red 'charge into city' branding. It looks like a red route branding. On the BC 50, for instance, you're looking for a blue branded bus, not a red one.
Or passengers could stop being lazy and simply look at the destination & route number on the front of the bus.
New 16 branding
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6995.html
Quote from: Winston on June 12, 2019, 07:26:03 PM
Or passengers could stop being lazy and simply look at the destination & route number on the front of the bus.
Quite agree, its amazing how helpful those displays are! ;D
Like last week, I was stood on the Stratford Road when I saw a Platinum bus with blue 50 branding approaching. It had "3 Yardley Wood" on the display, so naturally I got on it, as that was the service I wanted. I didn't let it go by just because of the blue branding.
Quote from: Stu on June 12, 2019, 07:41:34 PM
Quite agree, its amazing how helpful those displays are! ;D
Like last week, I was stood on the Stratford Road when I saw a Platinum bus with blue 50 branding approaching. It had "3 Yardley Wood" on the display, so naturally I got on it, as that was the service I wanted. I didn't let it go by just because of the blue branding.
Exactly, don't take it for granted that a branded bus is on the route it is branded for, they are pretty good at keeping them on correct routes, but do stray on occasions when operational needs dictate.
It's amazing what using your eyes can do for you.....
Quote from: Stevo on June 12, 2019, 07:07:55 PM
One thing about the new branding that's not so good is the red 'charge into city' branding. It looks like a red route branding. On the BC 50, for instance, you're looking for a blue branded bus, not a red one.
yeh but all other price branded buses are not the same colour as the route branded they are price branded for any route, they are not price branded for the route the bus was ordered for if it was it would have said e.g 50 on one side and then the price branding on the other
Quote from: Tony on June 12, 2019, 07:30:29 PM
New 16 branding
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6995.html
Both 6994 and 6995 have now arrived at Perry Barr Garage. Photographed them arriving around 20 minutes ago.
Quote from: Winston on June 12, 2019, 07:26:03 PM
Or passengers could stop being lazy and simply look at the destination & route number on the front of the bus.
In that case the colour route branding is simply adding confusion. Would you be better off without it?
Quote from: Stevo on June 13, 2019, 01:58:50 PM
In that case the colour route branding is simply adding confusion. Would you be better off without it?
No, the only thing that causes the confusion is laziness, there's a bright orange display which says where the bus is going / what route. The branding is to promote the route & grow patronage.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 13, 2019, 09:29:27 AM
Both 6994 and 6995 have now arrived at Perry Barr Garage. Photographed them arriving around 20 minutes ago.
6995 is going out afternoon on the 855 school. It will be in Sutton Parade at 15:55 before it goes back to Garage.
Same routes getting branding
I hope 7000 will be unbranded so it can go on other routes like it's predecessor.
Quote from: B.C Driver on June 13, 2019, 07:29:54 PM
I hope 7000 will be unbranded so it can go on other routes like it's predecessor.
I'd like to see it in original West Midlands Travel Timesaver silver livery
Quote from: Steve3229vp on June 13, 2019, 07:32:20 PM
I'd like to see it in original West Midlands Travel Timesaver silver livery
7000 will be 16 branded
Where will the numbering jump to next given all the Dundee 7xxx that are still on the system? 7500?
Quote from: DavieDD2 on June 13, 2019, 08:03:46 PM
Where will the numbering jump to next given all the Dundee 7xxx that are still on the system? 7500?
Already confirmed that the rest of the Platinum batch is 7500-41
Quote from: DavieDD2 on June 13, 2019, 08:03:46 PM
Where will the numbering jump to next given all the Dundee 7xxx that are still on the system? 7500?
home page has fleet lists of all operators with fleet numbers
https://flic.kr/p/2gebccv
Credit to MOD571P
Bus no 7000 on its way down!
WN 6777 now branded for the X8
I saw 7500 on the M6 earlier today heading for The Expressway
Tony has made it clear that fleet numbers are currently not being repeated, but what is the cut off date for this. For example recently delivered 7000 was once a Fleetline.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on June 20, 2019, 08:53:15 PM
Tony has made it clear that fleet numbers are currently not being repeated, but what is the cut off date for this. For example recently delivered 7000 was once a Fleetline.
I don't know the exact date, but it is from when there was about 300 Metrobuses left as there are about that many numbers blocked between 2400 & 3124
Quote from: Eric Shaw on June 20, 2019, 08:53:15 PM
Tony has made it clear that fleet numbers are currently not being repeated, but what is the cut off date for this. For example recently delivered 7000 was once a Fleetline.
Somewhere between 2001-3124 if I remember correctly.
Presumably it's to avoid duplication on a spreadsheet/database within NX, and anything pre the Metrobuses wouldn't have been on a computer and manually recorded.
Or am I wrong?
Quote from: Tony on June 20, 2019, 09:09:58 PM
I don't know the exact date, but it is from when there was about 300 Metrobuses left as there are about that many numbers blocked between 2400 & 3124
There were approx 450 left in July 2004. So late 2005 then?
I'm guessing here, but I suspect that most of the numbers above 2800,if indeed not all of them, won't be able to be used.
According to PSV Circle fleet lists in June 2005 there were 381 Metrobuses owned, including those withdrawn from service, and in January 2009 183.There are plenty of 3XXX numbers available after 3305 but the ex Travel London Darts 3601 to 3614 complicate things.
Any reason the X8 not branded on the drivers side as it would be a advert for people that wonder where it runs
Sorry if this is the wrong thread. I saw a Trident (I think) in Coventry last week with full NX Connector stripes. There can't be many left in NXC or NXWM with the full stripes.
Quote from: Stevo on June 24, 2019, 05:54:03 PM
Sorry if this is the wrong thread. I saw a Trident (I think) in Coventry last week with full NX Connector stripes. There can't be many left in NXC or NXWM with the full stripes.
It's actually on of CV's B7TLs. At one point we were considering sending those to Dundee, so it missed the quick repaint I gave most other buses with them. There's also a trapped B7TL at WB with them along with two Scanias at WA
Quote from: Tony on June 24, 2019, 06:06:13 PM
It's actually on of CV's B7TLs. At one point we were considering sending those to Dundee, so it missed the quick repaint I gave most other buses with them. There's also a trapped B7TL at WB with them along with two Scanias at WA
what fleet numbers are they
Quote from: Stevo on June 24, 2019, 05:54:03 PM
Sorry if this is the wrong thread. I saw a Trident (I think) in Coventry last week with full NX Connector stripes. There can't be many left in NXC or NXWM with the full stripes.
4423 is the Coventry B7TL.
If I've got this right, the Scanias are 1889 and 1893.
7503 now arrived ,
Still no update where the rest are gonna go / guess we will find out in the next week or two
Quote from: Jack6101 on June 25, 2019, 11:59:41 AM
7503 now arrived ,
Still no update where the rest are gonna go / guess we will find out in the next week or two
After the last of Perry Barr's vehicles arrive, it'll leave 34 buses unallocated in this year's order. Contrary to what I've been alluded to, I'd have guessed the X1 & X2 were due another upgrade, by now. Since 2013, they've received an upgrade at a rate of every two years, on average. I'd love to see new branding for these routes; joint branding, whilst we're at it - seeing as we're currently seeing X1-branded vehicles on the X2 and vice versa.
I notice there has been speculation in regards to the 126. I, myself, have noticed a greater influx in Platinums appearing on the route; that, and the fact that it has its announcements recorded already - though, I suppose the same could be said for the 907 or Bristol Road. The latter I've yet to experience, might I add!
Pensnett couldn't be far off a few more vehicles to convert the 126 back to full time Platinum operation, surely. ???
Quote from: CL on June 25, 2019, 11:01:32 PM
After the last of Perry Barr's vehicles arrive, it'll leave 34 buses unallocated in this year's order. Contrary to what I've been alluded to, I'd have guessed the X1 & X2 were due another upgrade, by now. Since 2013, they've received an upgrade at a rate of every two years, on average. I'd love to see new branding for these routes; joint branding, whilst we're at it - seeing as we're currently seeing X1-branded vehicles on the X2 and vice versa.
I notice there has been speculation in regards to the 126. I, myself, have noticed a greater influx in Platinums appearing on the route; that, and the fact that it has its announcements recorded already - though, I suppose the same could be said for the 907 or Bristol Road. The latter I've yet to experience, might I add!
Pensnett couldn't be far off a few more vehicles to convert the 126 back to full time Platinum operation, surely. ???
There is nothing wrong with the current vehicles on the X1/X2, in my opinion. When I've been on the newer 2018 69XX
Platiums when they've got on there, I've never noticed any difference to the older ones at all.
The Bristol Road doesn't have any announcements on the platinums since they had there announcements redone at the start of the year. They used to have announcements for the Pershore Road as well as the Bristol Road.
The 60 also gets the Platinums daily as well as the Bristol Road at BC, in addition to the routes on which they are the main allocation.
Quote from: CL on June 25, 2019, 11:01:32 PM
After the last of Perry Barr's vehicles arrive, it'll leave 34 buses unallocated in this year's order. Contrary to what I've been alluded to, I'd have guessed the X1 & X2 were due another upgrade, by now. Since 2013, they've received an upgrade at a rate of every two years, on average. I'd love to see new branding for these routes; joint branding, whilst we're at it - seeing as we're currently seeing X1-branded vehicles on the X2 and vice versa.
I notice there has been speculation in regards to the 126. I, myself, have noticed a greater influx in Platinums appearing on the route; that, and the fact that it has its announcements recorded already - though, I suppose the same could be said for the 907 or Bristol Road. The latter I've yet to experience, might I add!
Pensnett couldn't be far off a few more vehicles to convert the 126 back to full time Platinum operation, surely. ???
Your right about the 126 there's always between 4-5 on there A day now mostly 6940-42 , 6759-61 the older ex wn don't have the next stop on , I only seem to see 1 street deck on the 126 recently too
Quote from: Jack6101 on June 26, 2019, 05:57:15 AM
Your right about the 126 there's always between 4-5 on there A day now mostly 6940-42 , 6759-61 the older ex wn don't have the next stop on , I only seem to see 1 street deck on the 126 recently too
i had 6761 on the x10 the other day it's got the old male voice for the x10 but gornal end not programmed into it
Has 7508 arrived?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on July 08, 2019, 08:49:26 PM
Has 7508 arrived?
I don't think that bus has even been allocated
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on July 08, 2019, 08:49:26 PM
Has 7508 arrived?
No, Alexander Dennis are on two weeks holiday so there is a two week gap between 7507 and 7508
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2019, 09:45:14 PM
No, Alexander Dennis are on two weeks holiday so there is a two week gap between 7507 and 7508
Where will the next batch be allocated
Quote from: BH2004 on July 08, 2019, 09:51:14 PM
Where will the next batch be allocated
It will be on the website as soon as it is released
Next allocations
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html
Can you say which routes there for at YW.
Quote from: WB Driver on July 09, 2019, 06:41:45 PM
Can you say which routes there for at YW.
I'm guessing the 6 or the 35
Quote from: WB Driver on July 09, 2019, 06:41:45 PM
Can you say which routes there for at YW.
Are they for the 6? Looks to be to many for the 35, as there are 21 of them and only 15 E400 for the 35.
Is the 6 route no longer getting electric vehicles at the end of the year?
If so I wander where the E200 MMC off the 6 will go? Maybe to upgrade one of the East B'ham routes at BY, 55 or 17?
If the 6 is still getting the electric vehicles, maybe the 49/76 then?
That's 21 Platinums on order for YW
Now I would normally say there for the 6 - BUT aren't they having electric buses in early 2020.
The PVR for the 2 and 3 is approx 10 buses so it can't be that.
The 35 has a PVR of approx. 12 so it can't be that either !
So I wonder is 7508-7528 (21 buses) for the ..... 49 and 76 ?
Is the 18 a possibility?
Maybe the 2/3 and the 35? And the remaining for the 126?!
Was it said how many new Electric deckers are coming ? That could narrow it down too
Some numbers as current for interest
21 new Platinums
15 E400s - could eliminate the type at YW ??
15 Scanias - or could eliminate this type ??
18 MMC200s - could displace the Scanias out if electrics went on the 6
16 43xx Tridents (inc 4 reserve) - oldest buses so seem vulnerable
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 09, 2019, 07:48:38 PM
Was it said how many new Electric deckers are coming ? That could narrow it down too
Some numbers as current for interest
22 new Platinums
15 E400s - could eliminate the type at YW ??
15 Scanias - or could eliminate this type ??
18 MMC200s - could displace the Scanias out if electrics went on the 6
16 43xx Tridents (inc 4 reserve) - oldest buses so seem vulnerable
Most of those 43XX are trapped, and euro 6 so won't be going anywhere yet it was said, with the low emission zone in Birmingham. Same for the trapped 42XX at AG.
But some of the trapped 43XX and 45XX at YW could move to another garage to replace non trapped 43XX there possibly.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 09, 2019, 07:48:38 PM
Was it said how many new Electric deckers are coming ? That could narrow it down too
Some numbers as current for interest
22 new Platinums
15 E400s - could eliminate the type at YW ??
15 Scanias - or could eliminate this type ??
18 MMC200s - could displace the Scanias out if electrics went on the 6
16 43xx Tridents (inc 4 reserve) - oldest buses so seem vulnerable
I'm sure I read somewhere it was 29 electrics due. 19 for YW and 10 for Coventry.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on July 09, 2019, 07:33:50 PM
Maybe the 2/3 and the 35? And the remaining for the 126?!
Could they be for the 6, then move onto another route when the electrics have arrived? There's 2 E200MMCs in Dundee, perhaps the other YW examples are set to join them
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 09, 2019, 08:15:20 PM
Could they be for the 6, then move onto another route when the electrics have arrived? There's 2 E200MMCs in Dundee, perhaps the other YW examples are set to join them
Dundee has 3 x E200MMC'S i.e. 2248 - 50
If its the 6 will be a complete &*(s take when yet again other corridors get left to rot.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 09, 2019, 08:34:29 PM
If its the 6 will be a complete &*(s take when yet again other corridors get left to rot.
When did the 6 last have new buses allocated then?
Quote from: Tony on July 09, 2019, 08:38:31 PM
When did the 6 last have new buses allocated then?
22 x 59 plate Omnilinks over 9 years ago.
Quote from: Winston on July 09, 2019, 08:57:10 PM
22 x 59 plate Omnilinks over 9 years ago.
I'm more interested in the cascades would love for PN to see Gemini :)
One thing about the "Platinum revolution" I don't understand is the widespread introduction of a premium brand on slower non premium routes?
Harping back to the Timesaver days premium vehicles were introduced onto a new network of limited stop services and they were real standout vehicles.
I'm all for improvements to the fleet, the passenger experience and product but think the marketing and network planning could have been greatly improved by use of a high spec new standard bus to a similar standard alongside the platinum network making which would make Platinum a premium product.
The June issue of "Buses" had an article about the new Perry Barr garage stating that it would have provision for servicing 20 electric buses. Could this be a change of plan with the electrics going there and 7508 et seq going on the 6 at YW.
Quote from: Tony on July 09, 2019, 08:38:31 PM
When did the 6 last have new buses allocated then?
Thé cascades from the 71/72 that's a least some invest.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 09, 2019, 09:43:46 PM
Thé cascades from the 71/72 that's a least some invest.
So transferred newer buses are an investment on some routes are an investment, but on others areva lack of investment
You post some rubbish
Quote from: Eric Shaw on July 09, 2019, 09:30:10 PM
The June issue of "Buses" had an article about the new Perry Barr garage stating that it would have provision for servicing 20 electric buses. Could this be a change of plan with the electrics going there and 7508 et seq going on the 6 at YW.
There was an image of the proposed perry Barr garage and it had some Catenaries so would be cheaper to build it into the new garage whilst converting Yardley Wood to have them proved too costly
Quote from: Tony on July 09, 2019, 09:56:08 PM
So transferred newer buses are an investment on some routes are an investment, but on others areva lack of investment
You post some rubbish
55/94 routes haven't really had any newer buses transferred on though in recent years?
Last time that corridor had newer vehicles put on it, would have been when the 55 becames Omnilink operated some years back now.
94 last had newer buses on in 2003, when it transferred to PB upon LH closure it had older 2001 ALX400 placed on for a few years, until the 2003 Gemini (same age as the original Tridents) came on a few years later.
Not many newer buses have been put on?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 09, 2019, 08:34:29 PM
If its the 6 will be a complete &*(s take when yet again other corridors get left to rot.
It would still free up a fleet of newer single deckers to upgrade another service elcewhere. For other corridors. Both routes would get an upgrade that way as well, with that service getting new platinums and that freeing up newer standard vehicles for elsewhere.
11A/11C were using older 2003/2004 B7TL deckers until earlier this year, but had an upgrade to 2015 E400 MMC freed up from other routes.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on July 09, 2019, 09:59:41 PM
There was an image of the proposed perry Barr garage and it had some Catenaries so would be cheaper to build it into the new garage whilst converting Yardley Wood to have them proved too costly
The electrics are on order and there's no change of plan to what the company has announced
I post what I observe.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 09, 2019, 10:12:04 PM
I post what I observe.
You post your opinion (nothing wrong with that), but it changes just to slag off ex LH routes
Quote from: dingding on July 09, 2019, 09:25:23 PM
One thing about the "Platinum revolution" I don't understand is the widespread introduction of a premium brand on slower non premium routes?
Harping back to the Timesaver days premium vehicles were introduced onto a new network of limited stop services and they were real standout vehicles.
I'm all for improvements to the fleet, the passenger experience and product but think the marketing and network planning could have been greatly improved by use of a high spec new standard bus to a similar standard alongside the platinum network making which would make Platinum a premium product.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with premium becoming the new standard!
Quote from: dingding on July 09, 2019, 09:25:23 PM
One thing about the "Platinum revolution" I don't understand is the widespread introduction of a premium brand on slower non premium routes?
It has been stated on several occasions that Platinum is no longer considered a 'premium brand' and that all new bus deliveries will be to Platinum spec, which is to say that is the standard going forwards.
No sooner than I post YW are having the next batch it gets changed
7508 PB
7509 PB
7510 PB
7511 PB
7512 PB
7513 PB
7514 PB
7515 BC
7516 BC
7517 BC
7518 YW
7519 YW
7520 YW
7521 YW
7522 YW
7523 YW
7524 YW
7525 YW
7526 YW
7527 YW
7528 YW
7529 YW
7530 YW
7531 YW
7532 YW
7533 YW
7534 YW
7535 YW
7536 YW
7537 YW
7538 YW
7539/40/41 undecided?????
Is Walsall getting anything either new or transferred?
Quote from: Westy on July 10, 2019, 12:51:47 PM
Is Walsall getting anything either new or transferred?
I've just posted where the new ones are going
3 for BC for X70 maybe ?
Quote from: Jack D on July 10, 2019, 01:22:46 PM
3 for BC for X70 maybe ?
They could perhaps displace the remaining B7RLE from BC ?
And so there are enough for the platinum routes - X20/X21/X22/X70?
PB possibly for 907
BC possibly for X21
YW possibly 49/76 or 35 /2
All just guesswork
Quote from: BN on July 10, 2019, 11:30:45 AM
WN with tachos?
More spare platinums for the 15/16/17 as they are a few on there each day accompanying the E400
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on July 10, 2019, 05:06:23 PM
More spare platinums for the 15/16/17 as they are a few on there each day accompanying the E400
Good thought, I understand there's still a few Tridents on there per day, and an extra few would be enough to make it all E400/Platinum I assume
Just to put my speculative hat on for a moment, and to add to what has been commented already.
Looking at the fleetlist, I note that YW has a (relatively) small number (15) of older E400s, which are principally for the 35 route. I would hazard a guess there may be an element of 'standardising' involved, by shifting these vehicles out elsewhere (to where I do not know), leaving YW with just two types of double-deck, the E400MMCs and the Dennis Tridents.
But as YW are due 21 new vehicles, it then begs the question of what else would be removed/cascaded elsewhere. And on what route the 'extra' 6 vehicles would end up on - I don't know how many vehicles the 35 actually needs to be honest, nor the 50, could there be enough to 'upgrade' the 2/3 or 76 as well as the 35?
The other possibility, is that they could be for the 6. From my own observations certainly during peak times, I often see the single decks used are rammed full, so a double-deck upgrade might be appreciated by a number of passengers at least.
I understand this route is due to get new electric vehicles next year, though I believe its not yet been confirmed if they will be single or double deck vehicles yet? Certainly it would be considered 'odd' to upgrade this route to Platinum double-decks this year, only to revert back to singles next year.
But if this is the case, that then leaves the pondering of what happens to the single decks at YW. Certainly, a number would need to be retained for the 27 service, but it is unclear where these would or could be cascaded to, as there doesn't seem to be much of a requirement for full-length single-decks elsewhere in the company, apart maybe from at Dundee?
While a bit of speculation is fun, I guess we'll know soon what the plan is going to be, unless those plans change again!
On a personal note, I wouldn't mind the 2 and 3 getting new vehicles, although I've only been using these regularly for just under a year now, perhaps someone could confirm when the 2 and 3 (previously the 12) last had new buses?
Quote from: Stu on July 10, 2019, 06:58:18 PM
On a personal note, I wouldn't mind the 2 and 3 getting new vehicles, although I've only been using these regularly for just under a year now, perhaps someone could confirm when the 2 and 3 (previously the 12) last had new buses?
Would be the Lynx, that replaced the Metroriders
Quote from: Stu on July 10, 2019, 06:58:18 PM
I understand this route is due to get new electric vehicles next year, though I believe its not yet been confirmed if they will be single or double deck vehicles yet? Certainly it would be considered 'odd' to upgrade this route to Platinum double-decks this year, only to revert back to singles next year.
BYD bodied E400s I've been lead to believe. Not 100% on how accurate that is though.
Quote from: Gareth on July 10, 2019, 07:17:16 PM
BYD bodied E400s I've been lead to believe. Not 100% on how accurate that is though.
Other way around E400City bodied BYDs
OK, so its not beyond the realms of possibility that the 6 could be upgraded with Platinum-spec vehicles as an 'interim measure' until the new electric buses arrive next year, which would also be presumably of some kind of Platinum-spec. Which would then see the 'interim' Platinum E400MMC delivery either stay at YW to see off more elderly double-deck Tridents or be cascaded elsewhere.
This does of course tie in with a comment someone made a while back that the 6 was going to see 'more double-decks' this year, which was initially dismissed at the time.
Would the 907 be rebranded as the X7 as the number is now free with silver or gold branding as I feel the new branding of routes add that bit of colour on the platinums :)
If it were to be upgraded, I would like the frequency to be upped to every 15 mins and to every 12 mins at peaks. If one stop we're to be missed out then this could be achieved by +1 PVR
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on July 11, 2019, 06:57:54 PM
If it were to be upgraded, I would like the frequency to be upped to every 15 mins and to every 12 mins at peaks. If one stop we're to be missed out then this could be achieved by +1 PVR
As a 907 user i can't see the frequency being improved, the reliability needs dealing with first. Also if it was removed from One Stop what would you replace it with ?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on July 11, 2019, 06:57:54 PM
If it were to be upgraded, I would like the frequency to be upped to every 15 mins and to every 12 mins at peaks. If one stop we're to be missed out then this could be achieved by +1 PVR
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Why would you miss out one of the key stopping points? A place that people on that route would actually use the bus for.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on July 11, 2019, 03:15:00 PM
Would the 907 be rebranded as the X7 as the number is now free with silver or gold branding as I feel the new branding of routes add that bit of colour on the platinums :)
You can add the 934-937 & 997 to that list. To be renumbered, at least
Do you reckon we will see any platinum single decks?
Quote from: WM_58 on July 12, 2019, 01:09:37 AM
Do you reckon we will see any platinum single decks?
In the future maybe, when some of the current single deckers need replacing. At present there are too many single deckers in the fleet.
Quote from: Winston on July 12, 2019, 01:12:06 AM
In the future maybe, when some of the current single deckers need replacing. At present there are too many single deckers in the fleet.
Or maybe not enough of the right sort, seeing Tony had to get some of the Scotch ones down to cover some recent changes!
Quote from: Westy on July 12, 2019, 12:59:27 PM
Or maybe not enough of the right sort, seeing Tony had to get some of the Scotch ones down to cover some recent changes!
No! They also up until very recently had too many SWB E200's aswell.
The 3 x WF Streelites were required due to unexpected/exceptional circumstances following Igo's collapse & the winning of loads of extra tenders, a number requiring SWB vehicles at short notice.
The BYD/ADL 'decker order for NXWM has been confirmed officially by ADL today in their latest press release.
https://www.alexander-dennis.com/media/news/2019/july/byd-adl-tops-100-electric-double-deck-sales-in-uk-with-enviro400ev/
Quote from: amodelofcontrol on July 12, 2019, 05:14:02 PM
The BYD/ADL 'decker order for NXWM has been confirmed officially by ADL today in their latest press release.
https://www.alexander-dennis.com/media/news/2019/july/byd-adl-tops-100-electric-double-deck-sales-in-uk-with-enviro400ev/
Are there still plans for Coventry too? Were they supposed to be getting 10 too?
Is it just 6945-50 at BC and 6937 at PN from the previous batch not to be done in the new livery yet?
Quote from: Gareth on July 12, 2019, 06:49:51 PM
Are there still plans for Coventry too? Were they supposed to be getting 10 too?
I believe so, but they weren't necessarily double deckers, which may explain why they're not mentioned.
Haven't seen this asked before but apologies if it's already been answered. How is it decided whether buses (especially Tridents) are painted in white and blue/red or crimson when repainted, as the YW and WA Tridents for example have been painted into the crimson livery but some other garages or red/white buses being repainted for service in Coventry are repainted in the older livery?
Quote from: nathanielrwi on July 12, 2019, 09:43:03 PM
Haven't seen this asked before but apologies if it's already been answered. How is it decided whether buses (especially Tridents) are painted in white and blue/red or crimson when repainted, as the YW and WA Tridents for example have been painted into the crimson livery but some other garages or red/white buses being repainted for service in Coventry are repainted in the older livery?
@Tony has said a couple of months ago nothing under 4719 will be getting repainted into crimson and also I think it's age of the bus and when it will be withdrawn
@SK68MEV thanks for the clarification, thought I'd seen that somewhere but the repainted Tridents threw me off a bit - cheers :)
Quote from: nathanielrwi on July 12, 2019, 09:43:03 PM
Haven't seen this asked before but apologies if it's already been answered. How is it decided whether buses (especially Tridents) are painted in white and blue/red or crimson when repainted, as the YW and WA Tridents for example have been painted into the crimson livery but some other garages or red/white buses being repainted for service in Coventry are repainted in the older livery?
Crimson is the full image including trim, so only buses that get a full refurbishment warrant crimson livery, not just a repaint. Buses older than 57 plate do not have enough life left to justify a full refrurb.
Tridents I can understand, but what's the life expectancy of a Gemini?
They look modern compared to a Trident!
Quote from: Westy on July 13, 2019, 10:10:58 AM
Tridents I can understand, but what's the life expectancy of a Gemini?
They look modern compared to a Trident!
3997 looks modern, so what! Geminis are still 15 or 16 years old the same as Tridents
Quote from: Tony on July 13, 2019, 10:25:05 AM
3997 looks modern, so what! Geminis are still 15 or 16 years old the same as Tridents
You could paint up a Trident in the Wmpte Metrobus style & it wouldn't look too much out of place!
Hint, if you couldn't get another genuine Metro for the heritage fleet!
What about either an Alexander bodied Volvo or a Wright bodied one in that?
Quote from: markcf83 on July 13, 2019, 03:07:56 PM
What about either an Alexander bodied Volvo or a Wright bodied one in that?
There's an Alexander bodied Volvo in my profile pic, that was a good livery, any bus would look good in it.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/5498/11517788686_c928fef5cd_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ixMFiy)0042 HSR 42X Dundee Travel Volvo Ailsa Alexander RV (fictional) (https://flic.kr/p/ixMFiy) by DD02 BUS (https://www.flickr.com/photos/66812080@N03/), on Flickr
Looks great DavieDD2.
On the question of the BYD/ADL electrics, can anyone confirm whether the CV ones are on order, and whether single or double deck? I must admit I'd thought it was 29 double decks, 10 for Coventry and 19 for YW - maybe that has changed, particularly with YW getting a new batch of Platinums shortly.
Quote from: don on July 13, 2019, 10:40:15 PM
Looks great DavieDD2.
On the question of the BYD/ADL electrics, can anyone confirm whether the CV ones are on order, and whether single or double deck? I must admit I'd thought it was 29 double decks, 10 for Coventry and 19 for YW - maybe that has changed, particularly with YW getting a new batch of Platinums shortly.
The bid was based on 10 x E200MMC EV (For routes 9 & 20):
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:8pek5efwQSsJ:www.coventry.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/27926/ultra-low_emission_bus_scheme_application_form.docx+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
It doesn't state single of double decker in the funding awards:
https://cbwmagazine.com/winning-bidders-of-ultra-low-emission-bus-scheme-announced/
Interesting stuff - looks like single deckers - this time next year, and replacing B7RLE on those routes. I wonder whether ultimately the ten would replace the E200s, which could be used elsewhere?
Quote from: don on July 14, 2019, 12:13:04 PM
Interesting stuff - looks like single deckers - this time next year, and replacing B7RLE on those routes. I wonder whether ultimately the ten would replace the E200s, which could be used elsewhere?
Anything is possible, I guess it will depend what's needed where, there's the Oct TfWM tender round, plus any other extra work taken on / planned expansion.
Passed 7509 on delivery heading south on the M6 as we were heading north
this route-one article details that the order of 19 BYDs has increased to a whopping 117
https://www.route-one.net/articles/Deliveries/100_orders_for_BYD_ADL_Enviro400EV_placed_already
any truth?
Quote from: CL on July 22, 2019, 06:51:02 PM
this route-one article details that the order of 19 BYDs has increased to a whopping 117
https://www.route-one.net/articles/Deliveries/100_orders_for_BYD_ADL_Enviro400EV_placed_already
any truth?
You've misread it.
37 + 32 + 29 + 19 = 117
117 on order for 4 operators in total.
Quote from: 2206 on July 22, 2019, 06:57:59 PM
You've misread it.
37 + 32 + 29 + 19 = 117
117 on order for 4 operators in total.
Thought that was the case. 🤣 Apologies, my mate had sent the article to me with the same query - had thought it was strange that it hadn't been mentioned! lol
7510 parked inside BC
https://busesfestival.keypublishing.com/articles.asp?s=24
I notice 4780 has been entered into BUSES Festival as carrying a heritage livery? ???
Quote from: B.C Driver on July 22, 2019, 10:27:00 PM
7510 parked inside BC
I took it to PB this afternoon ready for service with no branding at all
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/7510.html
In an article about Wrightbus hydrogen deckers being supplied to First Aberdeen later this year in Coach and Bus week it says that they will be coming to Birmingham later. This should make the Birmingham to Solihull corridor very interesting if they run on the 4 with electric buses on the 6, Platinums on the X2 and 18 year old Volvos on the 5. Also for rail enthusiasts both loco hauled and multiple units.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on July 28, 2019, 04:01:00 PM
In an article about Wrightbus hydrogen deckers being supplied to First Aberdeen later this year in Coach and Bus week it says that they will be coming to Birmingham later. This should make the Birmingham to Solihull corridor very interesting if they run on the 4 with electric buses on the 6, Platinums on the X2 and 18 year old Volvos on the 5. Also for rail enthusiasts both loco hauled and multiple units.
Talking of Wrightbus, they're in a spot of bother themselves:
https://news.sky.com/story/tfl-supplier-wrightbus-weighs-sale-amid-financial-downturn-11768855
ADL seem to have gained a lot of their regular customers, particularly since the E200MMC was introduced.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on July 28, 2019, 04:01:00 PM
In an article about Wrightbus hydrogen deckers being supplied to First Aberdeen later this year in Coach and Bus week it says that they will be coming to Birmingham later. This should make the Birmingham to Solihull corridor very interesting if they run on the 4 with electric buses on the 6, Platinums on the X2 and 18 year old Volvos on the 5. Also for rail enthusiasts both loco hauled and multiple units.
Nobody would take the 5 from Birmingham to Solihull as its the longest and least direct of the 4 routes you mention.
X2 is the quickest and most direct.
They all serve completely different corridors and are completely different routes.
X2 - Coventry Road.
4 - Warwick Road.
6 - Stratford Road. 5 follows Stratford Road then takes a long winded route via Sarehole Mill, Shirley and Monkspath.
I would also think the X2, 4 and 6 are more high profile than the 5 is.
Just noticed Tony's fleet list update! 7539-41 are heading to CV.
Quote from: paulb1973 on July 29, 2019, 04:19:34 PM
Just noticed Tony's fleet list update! 7539-41 are heading to CV.
Bolstering up the current fleet due to a PVR increase on the 11/12X from September
7511 was going south on the M6 earlier today past Stafford services, so assume thats landed at one of the garages!
Quote from: Nathan on July 29, 2019, 07:04:54 PM
Bolstering up the current fleet due to a PVR increase on the 11/12X from September
For new all day service to Westwood Business Park mentioned in survey perhaps?
Looks like 7510 is finally out today on the 907. Just seen it leaving Birmingham on a departure to Sutton Coldfield.
So are these latest MMCs going to PB going to be branded for the 907?
Have yardley woods platinums 75** been allocated to a route?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on August 09, 2019, 08:22:46 PM
Have yardley woods platinums 75** been allocated to a route?
The 6, until the E400City EV/BYD's arrive.
7515 and 7516 appear to be the first in the new livery at BC.
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 09, 2019, 09:19:47 PM
7515 and 7516 appear to be the first in the new livery at BC.
New livery ?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 09, 2019, 09:23:07 PM
New livery ?
I believe he means the first to carry the new style of generic branding.
Quote from: Nathan on August 09, 2019, 08:57:41 PM
The 6, until the E400City EV/BYD's arrive.
Just curious if thé 6 is to get the special buses in a few months, what is the point of allocating them these buses only for another route to get casts offs a few months down the line. Always wondered that?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 09, 2019, 09:46:25 PM
Just curious if thé 6 is to get the special buses in a few months, what is the point of allocating them these buses only for another route to get casts offs a few months down the line. Always wondered that?
Because it needs double decks urgently due to rising passenger numbers
Quote from: Tony on August 09, 2019, 10:06:02 PM
Because it needs double decks urgently due to rising passenger numbers
Rising passenger numbers surely hasn't just occurred. Would have been a problem for quite some time I would imagine
Quote from: CL on August 09, 2019, 09:33:27 PM
I believe he means the first to carry the new style of generic branding.
Yes, that's what I was referring to.
Quote from: Tony on August 09, 2019, 10:06:02 PM
Because it needs double decks urgently due to rising passenger numbers
That makes sense and probably reduce the pvr by one hence minor freq reduction if reading timetable right and cutting out the station
7520 visible at BC tonight, on the Adderley St car park side.
Will all the new deliveries be delivered/enter service before the 1st Sept? Or will there be some re-registrations like in 2015 with the E200MMC's & the Platinum E400MMC's
@Tony
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 12, 2019, 02:04:49 PM
Will all the new deliveries be delivered/enter service before the 1st Sept? Or will there be some re-registrations like in 2015 with the E200MMC's & the Platinum E400MMC's @Tony
Some 19 plates will be voided and replaced by 69 plates. Don't know how many yet Alexander Dennis have a problem with their spray booth
Quote from: Tony on August 12, 2019, 04:57:51 PM
Some 19 plates will be voided and replaced by 69 plates. Don't know how many yet Alexander Dennis have a problem with their spray booth
Ok thanks
@Tony. Not good then I guess but that's something that is out of yours & NXWM's control really
Has 7508 entered service yet? There is a photo of it in BC on 22nd July and another photo of it next to 7520 in the yard at BC. on 12th August.
Current position
7508 delivered to PB today
7518 and 7519 delivered to YW
7520; 7521; 7522; 7523 and 7533 being prepared at BC
Quote from: Tony on August 19, 2019, 04:38:53 PM
Current position
7508 delivered to PB today
7518 and 7519 delivered to YW
7520; 7521; 7522; 7523 and 7533 being prepared at BC
And the cascades begin????
Quote from: BN on August 19, 2019, 07:27:46 PM
And the cascades begin????
I'm curious to see what happens at YW - if as expected the new Platinums are for the 6 service, that means that 21 single decks are likely to be surplus to requirement there.
YW has 18x E200 MMCs, and 15x Scania Omnilinks at present. Obviously a number of single-deck vehicles would need to be retained for the 27 service, and I'm not sure what the PVR is for this service.
I would presume that most of the Omnilinks would be kept for the 27, with the newer E200s being moved elsewhere. Where though is the mystery...
Quote from: BN on August 19, 2019, 07:27:46 PM
And the cascades begin????
Just guessing but you wouldn't be expecting 19 x trapped 45xx Tridents and a few more B7RLEs to see off the rest of your 43xx?
Quote from: don on August 19, 2019, 08:38:33 PM
Just guessing but you wouldn't be expecting 19 x trapped 45xx Tridents and a few more B7RLEs to see off the rest of your 43xx?
I'm sure i read (or read between the lines on a previous comment made) that not all 43**'s are going anywhere for now.
There was a e200mmc at both PN and WB a couple of weeks ago maybe some there.
I think Wolverhampton garage should have newer or new buses
Quote from: BH2004 on August 19, 2019, 09:04:53 PM
I think Wolverhampton garage should have newer or new buses
Wolverhampton whose oldest buses after the ever dwindling tridents are 61 plates, and have had new buses delivered every year between 2011 and 2016? :o
Quote from: Stu on August 19, 2019, 07:49:58 PM
I'm curious to see what happens at YW - if as expected the new Platinums are for the 6 service, that means that 21 single decks are likely to be surplus to requirement there.
YW has 18x E200 MMCs, and 15x Scania Omnilinks at present. Obviously a number of single-deck vehicles would need to be retained for the 27 service, and I'm not sure what the PVR is for this service.
I would presume that most of the Omnilinks would be kept for the 27, with the newer E200s being moved elsewhere. Where though is the mystery...
Is BY a possibility?
Quote from: V89MOA on August 19, 2019, 09:39:49 PM
Wolverhampton whose oldest buses after the ever dwindling tridents are 61 plates, and have had new buses delivered every year between 2011 and 2016? :o
And they all whinge that they never get anything new...
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 19, 2019, 09:43:45 PM
Is BY a possibility?
Yeah it would make sense to throw the E200MMCs to the 55
Quote from: Sayeed on August 19, 2019, 10:59:49 PM
Yeah it would make sense to throw the E200MMCs to the 55
it would be a massive extra 16 seats per hour !
7508 out on the X5 today, first day in service
Quote from: BH2004 on August 19, 2019, 09:04:53 PM
I think Wolverhampton garage should have newer or new buses
WN have just had 16 (soon to be 17 when 4937 moves) fairly modern E400's.
Quote from: Sayeed on August 19, 2019, 10:59:49 PM
Yeah it would make sense to throw the E200MMCs to the 55
What's wrong with the 55?
Quote from: Sayeed on August 20, 2019, 11:48:41 AM
Nothing.
Investment in the east ummmmmm, well would sound right casts off I suppose. Wonder if 2020 will be the year they actually take notice of state of buses in the ex lea hall corridors.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 20, 2019, 08:08:47 PM
Investment in the east ummmmmm, well would sound right casts off I suppose. Wonder if 2020 will be the year they actually take notice of state of buses in the ex lea hall corridors.
Please tell me what is wrong with the state of a freshly refurbished Scania
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 20, 2019, 08:08:47 PM
Investment in the east ummmmmm, well would sound right casts off I suppose. Wonder if 2020 will be the year they actually take notice of state of buses in the ex lea hall corridors.
Even the unrefurbished Scanias at BY are some of the smartest and well maintained buses in the whole NX fleet. The 94 is now regularly operated by 09 plate E400s. I'd be the first to wish that my local routes had brand new buses on a regular basis, but what we do have is perfectly acceptable. If anything it's the 97 that has had the bum deal, operated almost exclusively by 16 year old vehicles. But even they are not that bad.
Quote from: Gareth on August 20, 2019, 08:46:55 PM
Even the unrefurbished Scanias at BY are some of the smartest and well maintained buses in the whole NX fleet. The 94 is now regularly operated by 09 plate E400s. I'd be the first to wish that my local routes had brand new buses on a regular basis, but what we do have is perfectly acceptable. If anything it's the 97 that has had the bum deal, operated almost exclusively by 16 year old vehicles. But even they are not that bad.
The Bordesley Scanias are currently in the process of having e-fans fitted to make them more fuel efficient, SCRT fitted to the exhaust to meet Euro 6, a full internal retrim, repairs to the floors and a full external refurb and repaint, but someone who openly admits he doesn't actually travel on them thinks they are unfit? The fact that Bordesley only has 5 spare buses, but regularly loan buses to BC or PB tells you how reliable they are.
Compare ex Quinton depot area vs ex Lea Hall / wash wood Heath depots, makes me so angry been around Brum long enough to witness, that's my opinion I await to see a change to convince me otherwise.
West and South Birmingham.
Hagley Road, 82/87, 23/24, 50, X20/X21/X22 all have new platinums. Bristol and Pershore also have relatively new vehicles.
Don't see many in the East on the 67, 94, 97, 55, 17 and 14.
Quote from: 2206 on August 20, 2019, 09:14:00 PM
West and South Birmingham.
Hagley Road, 82/87, 23/24, 50, X20/X21/X22 all have new platinums. Bristol and Pershore also have relatively new vehicles.
Don't see many in the East on the 67, 94, 97, 55, 17 and 14.
I really don't see the problem. Some routes are always going to have older buses. It only makes any difference if the exact route you use gets platinum upgraded. So if you live in Bartley Green but work in Northfield it doesn't make a scrap of difference to you that the 22/23 have platinums. Likewise if the 94 got new platinums it wouldn't make any difference to the 67, 97, 14 route passengers. The area thing is complete nonsense
Quote from: Gareth on August 20, 2019, 08:46:55 PM
Even the unrefurbished Scanias at BY are some of the smartest and well maintained buses in the whole NX fleet. The 94 is now regularly operated by 09 plate E400s. I'd be the first to wish that my local routes had brand new buses on a regular basis, but what we do have is perfectly acceptable. If anything it's the 97 that has had the bum deal, operated almost exclusively by 16 year old vehicles. But even they are not that bad.
I also second this. I dont see BY Scanias often, but I live off the 97 and while the buses are old as you say, I'd probably go as far as saying, those buses are the quickest in terms of just shifting their mass. I've seen them belting down the Bordesley Green Road.
In the same way the north of England gets less investment than London, there's a reason and it's not fair. Just a shame no other companies are interested. To say it's a non sense is kinda of blinkered and being in a bubble in my humble view.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 20, 2019, 09:35:05 PM
In the same way the north of England gets less investment than London, there's a reason and it's not fair. Just a shame no other companies are interested. To say it's a non sense is kinda of blinkered and being in a bubble in my humble view.
So The current East Birmingham garage (AG) hasn't got one of the lowest average ages / Most modern fleet in the West Midlands?
Not serving ex lea hall corridors ( apart from x12) no
I wonder if there's much of an uproar/discontent from non-enthusiast bus users in these areas.
Gemini's - for me - are still the best buses in the fleet. There's no doubt in my mind that the MK1 Enviro 400 examples are the best of the bunch. I'm sure the X12, X70 & 11A skirt around these areas whose pre-dominant allocation sees buses no older than 4 years old
I'm argue the 14 & 97 feel a little neglected, then again, the 14, 17 & 55 have always been operated using "the standard buses that the particular garage has" (i.e Dennis Tridents and O405Ns)
New deliveries 7524 & 7529 in the yard at BC yesterday with 7525 visible inside garage.
Does anyone know when the Alexander Dennis contract ends?
And when it does, will NX get buses from another bus manufacturer like Wrightbus?
7530; 7534 & 7536-41 will not be delivered until after next weekend so will now receive '69' registrations. I'll put details on the main site tonight
The 19th March 2014 press release stated
"Bus manufacturer Alexander Dennis Limited (ADL) has signed a £100m deal to produce 600 vehicles for National Express over the next five years.
The vehicles, which will be a mix of double deck and midi buses, will join National Express's fleets in the West Midlands and Dundee."
So I make it 569 ADL buses delivered/ on order over 6 years since the announcement:
2014: 100 x E400 & E200
2015: 171 x E400MMC & E200MMC
2016: 96 x E400 MMC
2017: 38 x E400 MMC
2018: 89 x E400 MMC (includes 14 for Dundee)
2019: 75 x E400 MMC
Wright bus also delivered 5 X streetdeck and 5 x streetlite over this time period
in addition i believe 30 x ADL/BYD EnviroXXX are on order for YW & CV taking the total to 599 ADL products
I make it, roughly in order of receipt:-
4914-4995 - 82
831-860; 751-764 - 44
861-875; 6101-6148 - 63
2201-2250; 6701-6758 - 108
6759-6854 - 96
6855-6892 - 38
6687-6700 - 14
6893-6967 - 75
6968-6700; 7500-7541 - 75
? - 19 (ADL BOYO electric on order)
Total = 614 (595 without the electrics)
Quote from: don on August 29, 2019, 12:55:54 PM
I make it, roughly in order of receipt:-
4914-4995 - 82
831-860; 751-764 - 44
861-875; 6101-6148 - 63
2201-2250; 6701-6758 - 108
6759-6854 - 96
6855-6892 - 38
6687-6700 - 14
6893-6967 - 75
6968-6700; 7500-7541 - 75
? - 19 (ADL BOYO electric on order)
Total = 614 (595 without the electrics)
From my own notes I wrote this: 'In 2014 NX Group ordered 100 ADL buses; x56 Enviro400 (4940-95), x14 Enviro200 (751-764) and x30 Enviro200 (831-60)' Suppose it depends where you count the E400 deliveries from.
I did also have the grand total as 600 (including 50 for NX Dundee! - which is probably a bit optimistic to expect almost 50% fleet replacement in about 4 years).
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 29, 2019, 03:12:09 PM
From my own notes I wrote this: 'In 2014 NX Group ordered 100 ADL buses; x56 Enviro400 (4940-95), x14 Enviro200 (751-764) and x30 Enviro200 (831-60)' Suppose it depends where you count the E400 deliveries from.
I did also have the grand total as 600 (including 50 for NX Dundee! - which is probably a bit optimistic to expect almost 50% fleet replacement in about 4 years).
Only 19 "new" buses for Dundee since 2014 (14 E400MMC's and 5 Streetlites), it'll be interesting to see what happens in a couple of years when our 25 BX54 and SP54 plate Geminis need replacing, time will tell I suppose...
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 29, 2019, 03:12:09 PM
From my own notes I wrote this: 'In 2014 NX Group ordered 100 ADL buses; x56 Enviro400 (4940-95), x14 Enviro200 (751-764) and x30 Enviro200 (831-60)' Suppose it depends where you count the E400 deliveries from.
I did also have the grand total as 600 (including 50 for NX Dundee! - which is probably a bit optimistic to expect almost 50% fleet replacement in about 4 years).
Pretty sure the 63 plate E400s were included. When the announcement was made it was also stated the first ones had begun to arrive.
I didn't include the 10 CV electric single deckers in my list (due early 2020?)
Regarding Dundee, it seems 43 Geminis and about 10 B7RLEs will need to be replaced over the next four years or so from 2020 or 2021. In the West Midlands around 320 would need replacing - presumably the non Euro 6 compliant would be early candidates to meet the 2020 TfWM objective (presuming there remain any not converted by then).
Quote from: don on August 29, 2019, 08:37:14 PM
Pretty sure the 63 plate E400s were included. When the announcement was made it was also stated the first ones had begun to arrive.
I didn't include the 10 CV electric single deckers in my list (due early 2020?)
Regarding Dundee, it seems 43 Geminis and about 10 B7RLEs will need to be replaced over the next four years or so from 2020 or 2021. In the West Midlands around 320 would need replacing - presumably the non Euro 6 compliant would be early candidates to meet the 2020 TfWM objective (presuming there remain any not converted by then).
The aim is to have every vehicle euro 6 by April next year
New registration details for the 69s now on here
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/5001-9959.html
7535 heading south on M74 30/08/19. Think I passed another one a bit earlier on M6
Cheers ... Richard
I guess there won't be any d deck street decks on order. I quite like them shame.
6937 is now branded
Have 7539/40/41 been allocated to a garage yet? Just wondering, since all up to 7538 are now on the road.
Quote from: darthdc on October 02, 2019, 05:57:04 PM
Have 7539/40/41 been allocated to a garage yet? Just wondering, since all up to 7538 are now on the road.
39 and 40 are in service at Coventry. Not sure about 41
How come some of the latest batch of MMCs haven't got the red stripe on them near the top deck windows?
Quote from: John on October 02, 2019, 06:01:36 PM
39 and 40 are in service at Coventry. Not sure about 41
I think there is a pic on Facebook of 7541 at Coventry garage, so presume all 75 are delivered now.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 02, 2019, 06:56:06 PM
How come some of the latest batch of MMCs haven't got the red stripe on them near the top deck windows?
The last batch of MMCs are temporary at YW as the 6 truly did need double deckers, when the electrics arrive the existing platinums will move and probably get branded
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on October 02, 2019, 07:37:55 PM
The last batch of MMCs are temporary at YW as the 6 truly did need double deckers, when the electrics arrive the existing platinums will move and probably get branded
There's some at PB in the same fashion.
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 02, 2019, 07:40:12 PM
There's some at PB in the same fashion.
None of the last 2 batches have the pinstripe between decks. The branded examples hide this a little
Quote from: paulb1973 on October 02, 2019, 07:30:13 PM
I think there is a pic on Facebook of 7541 at Coventry garage, so presume all 75 are delivered now.
7541 seen in Leamington this afternoon.
Hello Tony
Any news on fleet numbers for YW electrics and Dundee Emeralds?
When are the electrics due? Is Coventry still getting single decker electrics?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 09, 2019, 03:40:54 PM
When are the electrics due? Is Coventry still getting single decker electrics?
And the emeralds?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 09, 2019, 03:40:54 PM
When are the electrics due? Is Coventry still getting single decker electrics?
I think the electrics are due in February.
Quote from: BN on December 09, 2019, 03:52:08 PM
And the emeralds?
The new emeralds are coming soon, I've read it somewhere but I can't remember where.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 09, 2019, 03:40:54 PM
When are the electrics due? Is Coventry still getting single decker electrics?
Coventry has never been getting single deck electrics. Not sure where that ever came from
Quote from: Tony on December 09, 2019, 04:32:09 PM
Coventry has never been getting single deck electrics. Not sure where that ever came from
I must say, I'm sure double decks for CV were mentioned right at the start of all this! (but somehow they became single deck along the way - even on my own notes I have them as single!).
The first one is going onto the production line this week
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 09, 2019, 04:49:34 PM
I must say, I'm sure double decks for CV were mentioned right at the start of all this! (but somehow they became single deck along the way - even on my own notes I have them as single!).
It's probably because the ADL demo used at NXC was an BYD/ADL E200MMC EV
Fleetnumbers will be
E001-E019 (Yardley Wood)
E020-E029 (Coventry)
I'm pretty sure they were all listed as single deck at one point - not sure the source but possibly TfWM or its predecessor info. What publicity has NX issued on them?
The YW ones were confirmed on here as double deck City Boyos earlier in the year? I don't think the Coventrys have ever been confirmed as double decker until now.
Will the new Emeralds be standard of electric? And which ones are starting production (Dundee, Yardley Wood or Coventry.
Quote from: don on December 09, 2019, 07:09:49 PM
I'm pretty sure they were all listed as single deck at one point - not sure the source but possibly TfWM or its predecessor info. What publicity has NX issued on them?
The YW ones were confirmed on here as double deck City Boyos earlier in the year? I don't think the Coventrys have ever been confirmed as double decker until now.
Will the new Emeralds be standard of electric? And which ones are starting production (Dundee, Yardley Wood or Coventry.
YW this week. The Dundee ones should start arriving within the next two weeks. They are the same as the existing Emeralds
Quote from: Tony on December 09, 2019, 07:06:08 PM
Fleetnumbers will be
E001-E019 (Yardley Wood)
E020-E029 (Coventry)
What service/s will use the CV buses?
Staff not told officially yet, so I cannot post on here
Also the National Express press release announcing the 10 electric buses for Coventry has a photograph of a E200EV and does not mention that they will be double deck!
https://www.nationalexpressgroup.com/newsmedia/news-across-the-group/2019/coventry-to-get-new-fully-electric-buses-for-greener-cleaner-journeys/
Quote from: Winston on July 13, 2019, 11:38:15 PM
The bid was based on 10 x E200MMC EV (For routes 9 & 20):
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:8pek5efwQSsJ:www.coventry.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/27926/ultra-low_emission_bus_scheme_application_form.docx+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk
It doesn't state single of double decker in the funding awards:
https://cbwmagazine.com/winning-bidders-of-ultra-low-emission-bus-scheme-announced/
Maybe it came from here and earlier? The question has certainly been asked several times but not answered. Perhaps an assumption was made that the basis of the bid would be reflected in the award and equipment delivered?
Quote from: don on December 09, 2019, 07:18:28 PM
Maybe it came from here and earlier? The question has certainly been asked several times but not answered. Perhaps an assumption was made that the basis of the bid would be reflected in the award and equipment delivered?
Don't even remember posting that....
Additionally, I wouldn't single decks & double decks to be numbered in the same block of fleet numbers
Quote from: Tony on December 09, 2019, 07:11:15 PM
YW this week. The Dundee ones should start arriving within the next two weeks. They are the same as the existing Emeralds
Thanks Tony.
Quote from: busfan2847 on December 09, 2019, 07:17:48 PM
Also the National Express press release announcing the 10 electric buses for Coventry has a photograph of a E200EV and does not mention that they will be double deck!
https://www.nationalexpressgroup.com/newsmedia/news-across-the-group/2019/coventry-to-get-new-fully-electric-buses-for-greener-cleaner-journeys/
That's because in February 2019 that was the only picture of an electric bus they had.
Quote from: Tony on December 09, 2019, 07:29:24 PM
That's because in February 2019 that was the only picture of an electric bus they had.
Thank you for the clarification, will the electrics be the city variant of the E400 MMC? Will there be a new livery variant of platinum to showcase the electric part?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 09, 2019, 09:03:08 PM
Thank you for the clarification, will the electrics be the city variant of the E400 MMC? Will there be a new livery variant of platinum to showcase the electric part?
Yes they will be the city design, I haven't seen the livery design yet
Has it been confirmed where the platinums are going once YW receive the electric buses?
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 09, 2019, 09:04:53 PM
Has it been confirmed where the platinums are going once YW receive the electric buses?
BC for the 45 and 47, the Enviros could be going on the 97 (not sure though)
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 09, 2019, 07:11:28 PM
What service/s will use the CV buses?
Anybody's guess, I shall assume it would be a service that has a daytime pattern of nine buses,
Services 4, 8/8A and 10/10A all have nine buses, the 9/9A is only eight buses.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on December 09, 2019, 09:24:19 PM
BC for the 45 and 47, the Enviros could be going on the 97 (not sure though)
If this is true, its very typical. More investment and new buses for the same areas of Birmingham.
While the older vehicles get moved to the 97. Why not put the platinums on the 97.
At present it seems to be that the high frequency routes in the East of Birmingham get old Tridents/Gemini/Omnilinks - 97, 67, 28, 14, 17, 55/94,72. With the newer vehicles being in other areas of the City. Definitely not proportional and passengers in other areas aren't paying any more than passengers in the East.
Quote from: 2206 on December 09, 2019, 09:46:33 PM
If this is true, its very typical. More investment and new buses for the same areas of Birmingham.
While the older vehicles get moved to the 97. Why not put the platinums on the 97.
Could be for many reasons (baring in mind it isn't fact that they will go on 45/7). These are just general suggestions that you can apply your question to:
-The 45/7 could bring in a better return/profit than the 97.
-Identified as a growth corridor where they see potential of increase usage as a result of putting newer higher spec buses on.
-Agreements such as the council agreeing to to invest in bus priority measures and other infratructure in place as a result.
Quote from: 2206 on December 09, 2019, 09:46:33 PM
If this is true, its very typical. More investment and new buses for the same areas of Birmingham.
While the older vehicles get moved to the 97. Why not put the platinums on the 97.
At present it seems to be that the high frequency routes in the East of Birmingham get Tridents/Gemini/Omnilinks - 97, 67, 14, 17, 55/94,72. With the newer vehicles being in other areas of the City.
Just read the replies to all Monkeyjoes moaning posts
Quote from: Tony on December 09, 2019, 07:06:08 PM
Fleetnumbers will be
E001-E019 (Yardley Wood)
E020-E029 (Coventry)
Not often have we seen alpha-numeric fleet identities (the old ex-Corporation fleets had a letter added to the end of their local fleet numbers) but I have a 1987 WMT fleet-list showing No's M1-M10, which were Ford Transit/Carlyle B55-64 AOP. I assume these became 555-564 though.
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 09, 2019, 10:26:10 PM
Not often have we seen alpha-numeric fleet identities (the old ex-Corporation fleets had a letter added to the end of their local fleet numbers) but I have a 1987 WMT fleet-list showing No's M1-M10, which were Ford Transit/Carlyle B55-64 AOP. I assume these became 555-564 though.
Wonder if NX does purchase Gas Buses (is the gas tank still at BC?) if they will have a fleet number G001 etc does make them stand out of a fleet list
Quote from: Steve3229vp on December 09, 2019, 09:24:19 PM
BC for the 45 and 47, the Enviros could be going on the 97 (not sure though)
If the 97 gets the Enviros, will it still use the Tridents? I think that the Tridents and the Enviros will be too much for the 97. Perhaps they will move to a new home?
Or maybe the 14 gets the Enviros. That way the 97 keeps its branding.
Quote from: Tony on December 09, 2019, 09:04:03 PM
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 09, 2019, 09:03:08 PM
Thank you for the clarification, will the electrics be the city variant of the E400 MMC? Will there be a new livery variant of platinum to showcase the electric part?
Yes they will be the city design, I haven't seen the livery design yet
sloppy, but (https://ibb.co/9V0kWG4) concept art, anyone? ;)
(no doubt far from the actual thing, if there is to be a change/variation in livery)
Quote from: Steve3229vp on December 09, 2019, 09:24:19 PM
BC for the 45 and 47, the Enviros could be going on the 97 (not sure though)
As the new buses will ultimately create a cascade to replace old vehicles, you would expect a cascade to Wolverhampton to replace some of the rest of the 43xx Tridents.
Quote from: Nathan on December 09, 2019, 09:56:21 PM
Could be for many reasons (baring in mind it isn't fact that they will go on 45/7). These are just general suggestions that you can apply your question to:
-The 45/7 could bring in a better return/profit than the 97.
-Identified as a growth corridor where they see potential of increase usage as a result of putting newer higher spec buses on.
-Agreements such as the council agreeing to to invest in bus priority measures and other infratructure in place as a result.
Clearly the 45/47 has a better profit than the 97 which is way more busier and one the most frequent routes in the West Midlands.
So nothing confirmed then, only rumours at this point?
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 09, 2019, 10:26:10 PM
Not often have we seen alpha-numeric fleet identities (the old ex-Corporation fleets had a letter added to the end of their local fleet numbers) but I have a 1987 WMT fleet-list showing No's M1-M10, which were Ford Transit/Carlyle B55-64 AOP. I assume these became 555-564 though.
They were delivered to WMPTE as M1-M10 in 1985 and operated in Shuttlebus livery on a route from Kingstanding to Old Pheasey from the Central Coachways depot in Walsall. They were renumbered 555-564 (matching registration B55-64AOP) by WMT in late 1986.
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 09, 2019, 10:26:10 PM
Not often have we seen alpha-numeric fleet identities (the old ex-Corporation fleets had a letter added to the end of their local fleet numbers) but I have a 1987 WMT fleet-list showing No's M1-M10, which were Ford Transit/Carlyle B55-64 AOP. I assume these became 555-564 though.
Been using them for many years
The coaches are all Cxxx, many carried the number in that format initially, although later replaced the C with their allocation and the neat fleet is all Axxx
Quote from: Tony on December 10, 2019, 03:48:22 PM
Been using them for many years
The coaches are all Cxxx, many carried the number in that format initially, although later replaced the C with their allocation and the neat fleet is all Axxx
Yes, so a long history of alpha-numeric fleet 'numbers'. Starting E001 means the 4-digit system can be retained, its going to be a very time indeed before E1000 is ever reached!
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 10, 2019, 04:20:41 PM
Yes, so a long history of alpha-numeric fleet 'numbers'. Starting E001 means the 4-digit system can be retained, its going to be a very time indeed before E1000 is ever reached!
The NEAT fleet already has A1001 upwards
Wonder if the electrics will have the glazed stair case windows
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on December 10, 2019, 07:48:59 PM
Wonder if the electrics will have the glazed stair case windows
No
Quote from: busfan2847 on December 10, 2019, 03:45:56 PM
They were delivered to WMPTE as M1-M10 in 1985 and operated in Shuttlebus livery on a route from Kingstanding to Old Pheasey from the Central Coachways depot in Walsall. They were renumbered 555-564 (matching registration B55-64AOP) by WMT in late 1986.
Strictly speaking the Transits were originally 7055-7064 in the main fleet numbering, with matching registrations. I'm not sure they actually carried these numbers, though.
Quote from: Stevo on December 11, 2019, 11:19:01 AM
Strictly speaking the Transits were originally 7055-7064 in the main fleet numbering, with matching registrations. I'm not sure they actually carried these numbers, though.
No they entered service as M1-M10. I have seen a photo of the first one delivered as 7055 but it was not used in service with this number.
Will the new YW6 buses be painted in the new WMBus livery, Platinum or Crimson?
Also the buses that have branded this year (9,11A/C,50,82,87,X10), is that the branding that NX came up with or was they told by TFWM? (Because they have the little hexagon pattern.)
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 23, 2019, 12:30:16 PM
Will the new YW6 buses be painted in the new WMBus livery, Platinum or Crimson?
Also the buses that have branded this year (9,11A/C,50,82,87,X10), is that the branding that NX came up with or was they told by TFWM? (Because they have the little hexagon pattern.)
6 are in a version of platinum
The branding is an NX design
Quote from: Tony on December 23, 2019, 12:37:07 PM
6 are in a version of platinum
The branding is an NX design
Ok thanks Tony.
One more question: The mayor has said that all buses have to be in the WMbus livery by 2022, will the buses that are already crimsoned be repainted in the new WM bus livery or will they stay crimsoned and you will only paint buses in the WM bus livery closer to 2022?
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 23, 2019, 01:06:48 PM
Ok thanks Tony.
One more question: The mayor has said that all buses have to be in the WMbus livery by 2022, will the buses that are already crimsoned be repainted in the new WM bus livery or will they stay crimsoned and you will only paint buses in the WM bus livery closer to 2022?
As I said to Mr Jones There's no way it will happen. It's a physical impossibility
Quote from: Tony on December 23, 2019, 01:08:55 PM
As I said to Mr Jones There's no way it will happen. It's a physical impossibility
Ok. What about the ones that are still in the toothpaste livery like the Wright deckers and the E200s?
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 23, 2019, 01:10:25 PM
Ok. What about the ones that are still in the toothpaste livery like the Wright deckers and the E200s?
There's been no buses in toothpaste liver for several years
Quote from: Tony on December 23, 2019, 01:16:39 PM
There's been no buses in toothpaste liver for several years
I meant the red and white ones.
Would've thought the same criteria they applied to which vehicles became crimson would apply here?
Ie vehicles below certain fleet numbers would stay red white or crimson & the rest would have the Wm Bus livery !
Just thought of something. What if some of the current 6 platinums went on the X70? It's supposed to be a Platinum route yet uses E400s and Tridents. It doesn't even use the new batch of Platinums at BC.
Quote from: Busboy105 on January 21, 2020, 12:22:56 PM
Just thought of something. What if some of the current 6 platinums went on the X70? It's supposed to be a Platinum route yet uses E400s and Tridents. It doesn't even use the new batch of Platinums at BC.
Yess it does 7516 was on there yestaday and a few times last week
Quote from: Busboy105 on January 21, 2020, 12:22:56 PM
Just thought of something. What if some of the current 6 platinums went on the X70? It's supposed to be a Platinum route yet uses E400s and Tridents. It doesn't even use the new batch of Platinums at BC.
It's common on a weekend to see the full allocation with Platinums, but weekdays a few may turn every couple of days. Still strikes me they've given the 126 announcements on the Platinums but they can't be bothered to do the X70...
I'm sure I saw someone say on here that the ☓70 was never branded because there's not that much of a PVR for it so it wouldn't be worth it. Yet the WN 54 is? Doesn't make sense.
Quote from: Jack on January 21, 2020, 01:03:15 PM
It's common on a weekend to see the full allocation with Platinums, but weekdays a few may turn every couple of days. Still strikes me they've given the 126 announcements on the Platinums but they can't be bothered to do the X70...
X70 is part of the ex lea hall contingency so they Are never going to bother with branding or consistent Platinum allocation, just a theory.
With the upcoming changes. I take it not all of 2012-2023 have their 3/4 branding modified this weekend and as such a few will be de-branded entirely? Have any been chosen to be fully de-branded?
Will some of the X8 buses and the New transfers from PN be rebranded to feature the 8?
Quote from: nathanielrwi on January 24, 2020, 11:21:45 PM
Will some of the X8 buses and the New transfers from PN be rebranded to feature the 8?
They're not going to do anything to 6759-61 as they carry generic Platinum branding.
Quote from: nathanielrwi on January 24, 2020, 11:21:45 PM
Will some of the X8 buses and the New transfers from PN be rebranded to feature the 8?
Maybe 6788-90 will as they was never redone when they debranded them from x7 and x8 branded ( first one)
Are Yardley Wood's electrics slightly delayed? Thought they were originally due in service in Jan?
Quote from: Winston on January 25, 2020, 02:25:40 PM
Are Yardley Wood's electrics slightly delayed? Thought they were originally due in service in Jan?
I had heard March, some time ago whilst at an apprenticeship interview date
Quote from: Winston on January 25, 2020, 02:25:40 PM
Are Yardley Wood's electrics slightly delayed? Thought they were originally due in service in Jan?
Quote from: CL on January 25, 2020, 07:05:30 PM
I had heard March, some time ago whilst at an apprenticeship interview date
I thought I'd seen here that it wasn't till February or March to be honest.
Quote from: Stu on January 25, 2020, 07:19:51 PM
I thought I'd seen here that it wasn't till February or March to be honest.
Maybe I missed a post / going off original dates....
What 3/4 branded buses are being debranded
Quote from: Winston on January 25, 2020, 08:06:41 PM
Maybe I missed a post / going off original dates....
I also haven't noticed anything - last I recall here was a post by Tony that the first ones had commenced build at the beginning of December. You would have thought they would commence delivery quite soon - unless there are other issues (eg livery/WM etc ; infrastructure completion at depots).
Quote from: don on January 25, 2020, 09:38:36 PM
I also haven't noticed anything - last I recall here was a post by Tony that the first ones had commenced build at the beginning of December. You would have thought they would commence delivery quite soon - unless there are other issues (eg livery/WM etc ; infrastructure completion at depots).
They are on the production line for 2-3 months
@Tony are these the design for the electrics minus livery and the ER aspect
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on January 30, 2020, 03:13:56 PM
@Tony are these the design for the electrics minus livery and the ER aspect
That is the basic design. I have seen the livery, but can't publish it yet. It is based on platinum
6776 now has updated branding to reflect the recent service changes
Quote from: uniquicity on January 31, 2020, 08:11:49 AM
6776 now has updated branding to reflect the recent service changes
They've all been done.
Quote from: Tony on January 30, 2020, 05:58:21 PM
That is the basic design. I have seen the livery, but can't publish it yet. It is based on platinum
ive seen the photos of new buses and I can't say anything as I was threatened with death
Lol
@karl724223 that made me chuckle, nxwm got there own bus mafia at the ready 😂😂😂
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on January 30, 2020, 03:13:56 PM
@Tony are these the design for the electrics minus livery and the ER aspect
Isn't the Enviro 400 ER a diesel/electric hybrid, I thought that the YW ones were to be 100% electric?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 31, 2020, 06:49:06 PM
Isn't the Enviro 400 ER a diesel/electric hybrid, I thought that the YW ones were to be 100% electric?
Yes, Yardley Wood is getting pure electrics, my post was just commenting on the design the vehicle as Tony said they would not have the glazed staircase but they will be the city bodywork
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on January 31, 2020, 06:54:21 PM
Yes, Yardley Wood is getting pure electrics, my post was just commenting on the design the vehicle as Tony said they would not have the glazed staircase but they will be the city bodywork
Thanks
@SL 16 YPN for the clarification.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on January 31, 2020, 06:54:21 PM
Yes, Yardley Wood is getting pure electrics, my post was just commenting on the design the vehicle as Tony said they would not have the glazed staircase but they will be the city bodywork
the emergency exit is on the off side in the middle not up the back that's all I'm saying I like living
Quote from: karl724223 on January 31, 2020, 07:06:53 PM
the emergency exit is on the off side in the middle not up the back that's all I'm saying I like living
Same as the batch Stagecoach Manchester have took delivery of recently for their Sharston depot.
YW electric registrations
LF20 XOA E001
LF20 XOB E002
LF20 XOC E003
LF20 XOD E004
LF20 XOE E005
LF20 XOG E006
LF20 XOH E007
LF20 XOJ E008
LF20 XOK E009
LF20 XOL E010
LF20 XOM E011
LF20 XON E012
LF20 XOO E013
LF20 XOP E014
LF20 XOR E015
LF20 XOS E016
LF20 XOT E017
LF20 XOU E018
LF20 XOV E019
Quote from: Tony on February 14, 2020, 08:56:02 AM
YW electric registrations
LF20 XOA E001
LF20 XOB E002
LF20 XOC E003
LF20 XOD E004
LF20 XOE E005
LF20 XOG E006
LF20 XOH E007
LF20 XOJ E008
LF20 XOK E009
LF20 XOL E010
LF20 XOM E011
LF20 XON E012
LF20 XOO E013
LF20 XOP E014
LF20 XOR E015
LF20 XOS E016
LF20 XOT E017
LF20 XOU E018
LF20 XOV E019
Are they at YW already??
Quote from: Busboy105 on February 14, 2020, 12:34:00 PM
Are they at YW already??
No..... the registrations are released before the buses arrive plus 20 plates start from March so the first one will be around then
@Tony if you are allowed to say are there any gas buses coming or more regular platinums later in the year
Quote from: Busboy105 on February 14, 2020, 12:34:00 PM
Are they at YW already??
I'd hazard a guess that most of them haven't started production yet. ;D
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on February 14, 2020, 12:38:14 PM
No..... the registrations are released before the buses arrive plus 20 plates start from March so the first one will be around then
I might be wrong about this, but I believe that once a VIN (vehicle identification number) has been issued/allocated, then a vehicle can be registered.
I've worked in the car parts business for many years, and looked up many vehicle registration numbers using our VRM lookup services, and I can tell you I've seen details of many vehicles where the 'first registered' date is earlier than the 'production date'.
Quote from: Stu on February 14, 2020, 07:42:46 PM
I'd hazard a guess that most of them haven't started production yet. ;D
All are in production, first deliveries less than two weeks away
Quote from: Stu on February 14, 2020, 07:42:46 PM
I might be wrong about this, but I believe that once a VIN (vehicle identification number) has been issued/allocated, then a vehicle can be registered.
I've worked in the car parts business for many years, and looked up many vehicle registration numbers using our VRM lookup services, and I can tell you I've seen details of many vehicles where the 'first registered' date is earlier than the 'production date'.
Correct, registered and date of first taxation are two different things
Quote from: Stu on February 14, 2020, 07:42:46 PM
I'd hazard a guess that most of them haven't started production yet. ;D
Yes they have I've seen photos of them like Tony probably has
Quote from: Tony on February 14, 2020, 07:46:50 PM
All are in production, first deliveries less than two weeks away
Quote from: karl724223 on February 14, 2020, 07:57:52 PM
Yes they have I've seen photos of them like Tony probably has
I stand corrected guys! I don't know how long it takes to put a bus together to be honest, but there was every possibility that some might still be a collection of parts waiting to go on the production line.
But certainly none have arrived at YW garage yet, which was the point I was responding to. ;)
To save all the asking until they arrive the Hydrogen Streetdecks are going to take fleetnumbers H1001-H1020. No firm delivery date yet, although a couple are built they cannot come until fuelling facilities are available
H3301-H3305?
Quote from: karl724223 on February 24, 2021, 08:09:06 PM
H3301-H3305?
Those numbers are already in use and are not Hydrogen are they.
Quote from: karl724223 on February 24, 2021, 08:09:06 PM
H3301-H3305?
Apart from looks, the new Hydrogen Streetdecks have hardly anything in common with 3301-3305 !
I'm told the Hydrogen Streetdecks will be body numbers AT276-AT295, according to a friend who has contacts at Wright.
Having been to Cornwall this week, I noticed that first kernows Enviro 400 MMCs had tables on the upper decker.
Would NX have tables on new buses or is it not suitable for city services?
Quote from: BK63 YWP on May 09, 2021, 03:45:50 PM
Having been to Cornwall this week, I noticed that first kernows Enviro 400 MMCs had tables on the upper decker.
Would NX have tables on new buses or is it not suitable for city services?
tables mean less seated passengers so I doubt it
Quote from: karl724223 on May 09, 2021, 03:52:43 PM
tables mean less seated passengers so I doubt it
Blackpool tried tables in an urban environment and had nothing but trouble with vandalism with them
Quote from: Tony on May 09, 2021, 04:04:58 PM
Blackpool tried tables in an urban environment and had nothing but trouble with vandalism with them
I thought that as well, my problem with tables on buses is the bigger chance of travelling backwards
Quote from: BK63 YWP on May 09, 2021, 03:45:50 PM
Having been to Cornwall this week, I noticed that first kernows Enviro 400 MMCs had tables on the upper decker.
Would NX have tables on new buses or is it not suitable for city services?
I can't see the need to be honest.
Certainly not on most routes that NX operate, which people may only be travelling short distances on.
They may be more useful on longer interurban services though, on which people may be travelling for longer, which is presumably why First Kernow specify them.
Quote from: Tony on May 09, 2021, 04:04:58 PM
Blackpool tried tables in an urban environment and had nothing but trouble with vandalism with them
I've seen enough graffitti and knife-etchings on the backs of seats to know what would happen if there were tables on NX buses!
Quote from: Tony on May 09, 2021, 04:04:58 PM
Blackpool tried tables in an urban environment and had nothing but trouble with vandalism with them
Didn't their newish double deckers have phone charging points on them removed as well?
Quote from: markcf83 on May 10, 2021, 10:01:33 AM
Didn't their newish double deckers have phone charging points on them removed as well?
Yes
Quote from: Tony on May 09, 2021, 04:04:58 PM
Blackpool tried tables in an urban environment and had nothing but trouble with vandalism with them
Stagecoachs Enviros used on X2 from Liverpool to Preston carry local passengers and school children but there is no damage to tables.
East Coast Buses 29xx Geminis have tables and I've even seen school children sitting at tables chatting. These are some of nicest buses to travel on in the UK allowing taller passengers to enjoy the additional legroom at tables. A recent trip on picturesque route 124 from Edinburgh to North Berwick was even better by getting a table seat!
Are west brom due any electric buses soon as heard drivers
talking about them
Quote from: Solo1 on May 18, 2021, 03:23:35 PM
Are west brom due any electric buses soon as heard drivers
talking about them
There's one visiting every garage so they could just be referring to that.
Quote from: Solo1 on May 18, 2021, 03:23:35 PM
Are west brom due any electric buses soon as heard drivers
talking about them
Surely you been using this forum for long enough to listen to rumours from drivers... Only vehicles confirmed this year so far are the 20 hydrogen streetdecks
Next batch of new coaches for WA have now been diverted to Edwards.
Quote from: Solo1 on May 18, 2021, 03:23:35 PM
Are west brom due any electric buses soon as heard drivers
talking about them
I think WB and AG should get the next EV batches so that they can withdrawn some g1s and Alx400s
West Midlands to get a share of the 198 million government pot for new zero-emission buses. Remains to be seen how many vehicles that leads to.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-on-track-to-reach-4000-zero-emission-bus-pledge-with-200-million-boost
Quote from: cardew on March 26, 2022, 07:37:45 AM
West Midlands to get a share of the 198 million government pot for new zero-emission buses. Remains to be seen how many vehicles that leads to.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-on-track-to-reach-4000-zero-emission-bus-pledge-with-200-million-boost
It is for another 124 Hydrogen buses
The bid itself (https://www.tfwm.org.uk/media/31il4swm/zebra-standard-wmca-fbc-final-for-publish.pdf) confirms 100 hydrogen 'deckers and 24 articulated hydrogen buses (for Sprint, of course). The latter are interesting - I can't imagine there are many manufacturers to choose from, and my first thought suggests Van Hool ExquiCities.
Mr Street has announced the 124 buses on LinkedIn.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 26, 2022, 01:13:15 PM
Mr Street has announced the 124 buses on LinkedIn.
https://www.facebook.com/andy4wm/posts/527971965344495
Quote from: Stu on March 26, 2022, 01:18:10 PM
https://www.facebook.com/andy4wm/posts/527971965344495
More hydrogen streetdecks or adl h2.0
Quote from: amodelofcontrol on March 26, 2022, 10:34:30 AM
The bid itself (https://www.tfwm.org.uk/media/31il4swm/zebra-standard-wmca-fbc-final-for-publish.pdf) confirms 100 hydrogen 'deckers and 24 articulated hydrogen buses (for Sprint, of course). The latter are interesting - I can't imagine there are many manufacturers to choose from, and my first thought suggests Van Hool ExquiCities.
Quote from: BK63 YWP on March 26, 2022, 02:52:44 PM
More hydrogen streetdecks or adl h2.0
I think its fair to assume that the hydrogen double-decks will be more StreetDeck Hydroliners, unless NX Bus are totally disatisfied with the current situation which has seen their vehicles off the road for a few weeks now.
But yes, the articulated buses will be an interesting one. Unless WrightBus or ADL have something in the pipeline not yet announced (as neither seems to offer any articulated vehicles at present), we're going to see something 'all new' perhaps.
I had a quick look at the Van Hool website at their ExquiCity, and wasn't that impressed:
https://www.vanhool.be/en/public-transport/exquicity-brt/fuel-cell
http://exquicity.be/en/
Assuming that NX / TfWM would go for the 18m version, it only quotes a seating capacity of 42 (plus 4 folding), which isn't any more than a standard full-length single-decker, though there is no standing capacity quoted.
Quote from: Stu on March 26, 2022, 05:59:39 PM
Assuming that NX / TfWM would go for the 18m version, it only quotes a seating capacity of 42 (plus 4 folding), which isn't any more than a standard full-length single-decker, though there is no standing capacity quoted.
Shame its not 24 double deckers then, that would have 30 or so extra seats.
Excellent news that new zero emission buses are on the way. Was hoping that the idea for artics had long since died. They're not a nice travelling experience.
Quote from: 2206 on March 26, 2022, 06:16:03 PM
Shame its not 24 double deckers then, that would have 30 or so extra seats.
24 double-deckers, which would have larger capacity, with double-doors - London style - for more efficient boarding/loading, would have been my preference.
Quote from: Gareth on March 26, 2022, 06:16:10 PM
Excellent news that new zero emission buses are on the way. Was hoping that the idea for artics had long since died. They're not a nice travelling experience.
Reading through the business case, these hydrogen vehicles aren't expected to start to enter service until late 2023.
There are of course more new electric buses due later this year.
I can't help but feel with the current fiasco surrounding the Metro trams, that the use of artics on the Sprint route will end up being a huge waste of money, but at least if anything goes wrong with them then regular double-decks can be put into service.
Somebody within TfWM truly believes that 'tram-style buses' is a fantastic idea, and is determined that this will happen, despite what misgivings others may have.
Quote from: Stu on March 26, 2022, 06:32:21 PM
I can't help but feel with the current fiasco surrounding the Metro trams, that the use of artics on the Sprint route will end up being a huge waste of money, but at least if anything goes wrong with them then regular double-decks can be put into service.
Somebody within TfWM truly believes that 'tram-style buses' is a fantastic idea, and is determined that this will happen, despite what misgivings others may have.
I think you've hit the nail on the head
The hydrogen Streetdecks already have 14 fewer seats than the E400s they are replacing and I suspect passengers, once coming to terms with that, will then get miffed at trying to find one of 40 or so potential seats to avoid standing from Scott Arms to City or Yardley to Solihull. Especially in school peaks. Standing in close proximity was unpleasant enough pre-pandemic, I would suggest it is now inadvisable - but it appears to be a fait accompli.
Quote from: Stu on March 26, 2022, 06:32:21 PM
24 double-deckers, which would have larger capacity, with double-doors - London style - for more efficient boarding/loading, would have been my preference.
There was a good reason why WMPTE stopped having double doored double deckers in 1970. They were actually slower loading because after they were fitted with appropriate safety interlocks to prevent being driven off without the centre doors being shut (there'd been at least one fatal accident owing to this factor, with passengers being injured), these buses were no quicker than single doored ones at loading, subsequently. Indeed it is only in London, Bristol and one or two other places where they are tolerated (to an extent at least one of these involves Union insistence of their use).
The artics' downfall in London was, like the NBFL Routemaster's arrival, caused by politics - in fact one perception (that the artics caused problems for cyclists is as inaccurate as considering an open platform bus does not cause safety problems). Prior to general removal of original Routemasters, any map based review of platform injury casualties simply highlighted (quite boldly) roads where Routemasters operated. Never underestimate the potential for politicians to fail to consider the facts before insisting on Policy decisions - the artics were killed by campaigns in the Evening Standard and the like, in the same way the wholly unnecessary (and many consider from a passenger viewpoint are less desirable than normal buses) NBFL was born!! Funny thing is they now require mid life refurb and TfL don't have the money to do it without losing other provision (the Government playing silly bugger politics with the Government financing seemingly because it's a different party from the mayor!!)
On Red Arrow routes like the 507, the artics were great at hoovering up very large quantities of people at bus stops. The smaller BYD replacement single decks were provided in larger quantity to compensate.
However I'm sure National Express are shuddering at the idea of operating these and are hopeful common sense will prevail at TfWM - at the very least being compensated for any variance in maintenance and operating cost will be necessary if it happens, I guess. They may be shuddering at the thought of the other 100 given the level of availability so far demonstrated by the existing 20 hydrogen double deckers :-\
However 354 new vehicles (maybe at least??) within around 18 months will be a significant fleet investment.
Quote from: don on March 26, 2022, 09:18:11 PM
There was a good reason why WMPTE stopped having double doored double deckers in 1970. They were actually slower loading because after they were fitted with appropriate safety interlocks to prevent being driven off without the centre doors being shut (there'd been at least one fatal accident owing to this factor, with passengers being injured), these buses were no quicker than single doored ones at loading, subsequently. Indeed it is only in London, Bristol and one or two other places where they are tolerated (to an extent at least one of these involves Union insistence of their use). One potential advantage these days is accessibility via the centre door.
The artics' downfall in London was, like the NBFL Routemaster's arrival, caused by politics - in fact one perception (that the artics caused problems for cyclists is as inaccurate as considering an open platform bus does not cause safety problems). Prior to general removal of original Routemasters, any map based review of platform injury casualties simply highlighted (quite boldly) roads where Routemasters operated. Never underestimate the potential for politicians to fail to consider the facts before insisting on Policy decisions - the artics were killed by campaigns in the Evening Standard and the like, in the same way the wholly unnecessary (and many consider from a passenger viewpoint are less desirable than normal buses) NBFL was born!! Funny thing is they now require mid life refurb and TfL don't have the money to do it without losing other provision (the Government playing silly bugger politics with the Government financing seemingly because it's a different party from the mayor!!)
On Red Arrow routes like the 507, the artics were great at hoovering up very large quantities of people at bus stops. The smaller BYD replacement single decks were provided in larger quantity to compensate.
However I'm sure National Express are shuddering at the idea of operating these and are hopeful common sense will prevail at TfWM - at the very least being compensated for any variance in maintenance and operating cost will be necessary if it happens, I guess. They may be shuddering at the thought of the other 100 given the level of availability so far demonstrated by the existing 20 hydrogen double deckers :-\
However 354 new vehicles (maybe at least??) within around 18 months will be a significant fleet investment.
Quote from: don on March 26, 2022, 09:18:11 PM
The artics' downfall in London was, like the NBFL Routemaster's arrival, caused by politics - in fact one perception (that the artics caused problems for cyclists is as inaccurate as considering an open platform bus does not cause safety problems). Prior to general removal of original Routemasters, any map based review of platform injury casualties simply highlighted (quite boldly) roads where Routemasters operated. Never underestimate the potential for politicians to fail to consider the facts before insisting on Policy decisions - the artics were killed by campaigns in the Evening Standard and the like, in the same way the wholly unnecessary (and many consider from a passenger viewpoint are less desirable than normal buses) NBFL was born!! Funny thing is they now require mid life refurb and TfL don't have the money to do it without losing other provision (the Government playing silly bugger politics with the Government financing seemingly because it's a different party from the mayor!!)
I disagree with your point on NBFL refurbishment. It is Khan disliking them purely because they were introduced by Boris. If they were not refurbished for the remaining 7 years of their planned life then 1000 other buses would be on the road instead. Most other London buses are leased, The leasing companies charge over £2000 per month, so leasing 1000 is £2m per month X 84 months that's £168m a lot more than the cost of refurbishing the NBFL which are owned by TfL
When are the current hydrogens returning to service?
Quote from: Tony on March 26, 2022, 09:49:00 PM
I disagree with your point on NBFL refurbishment. It is Khan disliking them purely because they were introduced by Boris. If they were not refurbished for the remaining 7 years of their planned life then 1000 other buses would be on the road instead. Most other London buses are leased, The leasing companies charge over £2000 per month, so leasing 1000 is £2m per month X 84 months that's £168m a lot more than the cost of refurbishing the NBFL which are owned by TfL
I'm sure there's some element of that but there is also no doubt the Govt is playing silly with financing of TfL, no doubt to discredit Sadiq Khan in the hope their candidate becomes mayor next time round. Whether the public fall for it is a different matter.
I guess it depends how much is spent on the refurbs but also brand new buses of a non-bespoke type would no doubt have lower running and maintenance costs, which would no doubt be reflected in reduced tender values, so I doubt it's as straightforward as you're stating. You are still left with dingy and relatively less comfortable interiors - not sure whether new batteries would be required but if so, these would be costly.
Quote from: don on March 26, 2022, 10:41:34 PM
I'm sure there's some element of that but there is also no doubt the Govt is playing silly with financing of TfL, no doubt to discredit Sadiq Khan in the hope their candidate becomes mayor next time round. Whether the public fall for it is a different matter.
I guess it depends how much is spent on the refurbs but also brand new buses of a non-bespoke type would no doubt have lower running and maintenance costs, which would no doubt be reflected in reduced tender values, so I doubt it's as straightforward as you're stating. You are still left with dingy and relatively less comfortable interiors - not sure whether new batteries would be required but if so, these would be costly.
My cost was just on direct replacements as you say, but the refurbishment costs were quoted as around £60m, so £100m cheaper. If they are not refurbished then there is also the additional cost of writing off the remaining book value. The other thing I know Khan is lying over them is he says they were far more expensive than other buses. The total cost of the NBFL fleet was £375m, that is £375,000 per bus. At the time these were being built Alexander Dennis were charging around £400,000 for a Hybrid E400H so not sure how the NBFLs were an 'expensive' mistake. Also the lie that TfL couldn't afford the refurbishment of them at the same time they were sending them away for refurbishment! RGI at Warwick and Hants & Dorset Trim are both doing refurbs
Politicians of all persuasions can be very clever with the way they quote things.
However I find it astounding that the price per unit of 1000 bespoke items of a completely new, ground up design could be less expensive than the price per unit
of 1000 of a developed design (whether they be ADL or Volvo/Wright hybrids). Unless creative accounting ignores such matters as design and development costs (built into off the shelf designs). In addition the bespoke design is significantly longer and contains an extra set of doors to a bespoke design.
That the NBFL relied on double manning to achieve its raison d'etre, having an open rear platform to enable Londoners to expose themselves to inordinate risk of injury by boarding/alighting through an open rear exit at any point they wish to suggests the operating costs were hugely more expensive before even considering any bespoke maintenance equipment or other unforeseen costs caused by failures of equipment in service beyond that experienced with developed, off the shelf vehicles.
I doubt Mr Khan is inaccurate saying they were/are a more expensive option overall (and probably nightmare). As an enthusiast I'm really appreciative of them, but let's face it, they were a Johnson vanity project - they were also connected (although not always directly) to the parallel premature retirement of expensive bendy buses for equally spurious reasons, no doubt at significant overall additional ultimate cost to TfL.
I too don't believe that a 3 -door 2 staircase bus can be cheaper than a 2 - door single staircase, especially if it's a bespoke design. One thing to remember is that the London artics and the Borismasters were designed for boarding and alighting at all 3 doors, which certainly speeded up the time at stops. It was loss of revenue that caused TfL to abandon that system on the Borismasters. They are great fun, though!
The reason the NBFLs are cheaper than other buses is that TfL have bought the buses and as a public body can get finance cheaper than a commercial company can, because the bus operators have hefty interest payments on the finance for the vehicles they lease or buy. This was stated in a presentation to the London Omnibus Traction Society a few years ago by Leon Daniels who was TfL's Director of Surface Transport at the time.
TfL could have bought any bus type it wanted, but the Mayor of London decided that he wanted the contraption that turned out to be the Boris Bus instead of a more sensible type of vehicle.
Which is why after the reductions in PVRs on the original LT operated routes, the spare LTs have been moved onto other less high profile routes in the suburbs as it is cheaper for TfL to have the LTs in use and let the bus operators deal with their own vehicles, so Go-Ahead London have transferred some MCV bodied Volvo B5LHs to Go North West instead of keeping them in London.
Quote from: Ian Hardy on March 28, 2022, 10:26:53 PM
Which is why after the reductions in PVRs on the original LT operated routes, the spare LTs have been moved onto other less high profile routes in the suburbs as it is cheaper for TfL to have the LTs in use and let the bus operators deal with their own vehicles, so Go-Ahead London have transferred some MCV bodied Volvo B5LHs to Go North West instead of keeping them in London.
The reason for the departure of the Evosetis from Peckham and their route 63 was the result of their losing the route to Abellio London.
Quote from: markcf83 on March 28, 2022, 10:29:59 PM
The reason for the departure of the Evosetis from Peckham and their route 63 was the result of their losing the route to Abellio London.
I know that the 63 has been lost but when Go Ahead have lost other routes recently e.g. 202, 270 & 405, the buses used on those routes have been kept in London for use on other TfL routes and older buses have then been got rid of. Also only 20 of the 34 buses ordered for the 63 have gone to Go North West.
Ian-the reason only twenty left is because Peckham needed the rest for the N1 and to provide cover for the Enviros on the 37 and 363.
This seems like the most fitting thread... BX61 LJV (originally set to be fleet no. 2013), the B7RLE that was damaged on delivery back in late 2011, has appeared on eBay for parts... or it can be purchased as one unit if any preservationists fancy a mammoth project!
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165417062954?hash=item2683a0122a:g:ogAAAOSwL39iStY4
I'm surprised the engine was never salvaged from it.
Saw yesterday morning two and this morning one of the next batch of electrics on delivery ,M6 between Wednesbury and Cannock around 0715-07.30 each day.
Platinum grey each livery no decals.
E034 top deck rear most window appears to be broken or missing. Are these painted the same shades of grey as the 1st gen platinums, the new livery seems to be lighter. The new livery looks to be the same design as red/whites just in grey, keep costs down on repairs i bet.
Quote from: DJ on June 21, 2022, 03:02:25 AMThis seems like the most fitting thread... BX61 LJV (originally set to be fleet no. 2013), the B7RLE that was damaged on delivery back in late 2011, has appeared on eBay for parts... or it can be purchased as one unit if any preservationists fancy a mammoth project!
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165417062954?hash=item2683a0122a:g:ogAAAOSwL39iStY4
all ready sold i wonder if nxwm bought it would make sense , all the use,able parts would as new still
Quote from: 2900 on June 27, 2022, 10:29:51 PME034 top deck rear most window appears to be broken or missing. Are these painted the same shades of grey as the 1st gen platinums, the new livery seems to be lighter. The new livery looks to be the same design as red/whites just in grey, keep costs down on repairs i bet.
No the window is there as you can see the "break glass" thing in the corner
Will the newly repainted fleet (i.e. 2001 etc) regain their names that they had prior to repaint (such as 2001 being named "The Mayors Charity Fund")
And will we see route branding be (re)applied once whole batches are repainted/the new ZE fleet arrive as a batch (such as routes like the AG4, WN3|4, CV 13 etc?)
Hope so just hope that it's the same both sides and not like the electric buses now
What do you mean by 'not the same both sides'?
If you look at a university platinum the branding is different the the electric ones the university ones are mirrored so there the same both side yet the electric ones have one number one side and on the other a list of places it serves
QuoteIf you look at a university platinum the branding is different the the electric ones the university ones are mirrored so there the same both side yet the electric ones have one number one side and on the other a list of places it serves
As you cannot see both sides at the same time why is that a problem?
None of the electrics are being route branded.
Why are NX West Midlands repainting the fleet that are in the White and Red livery into Crimson when they've got the new 2 tone grey & red livery and only a handful are going into it
Just the last couple of Scanias are going Crimson to make them uniform as they only have a couple of years left. Buses expected to still be in service in 2025 are going Grey.
Are the Enviro400's going or are they staying until 2025?
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on July 07, 2022, 08:31:16 PMAre the Enviro400's going or are they staying until 2025?
I'd imagine the MK2's will be still here, 4830 and up.
Why is the new 'grey' livery being introduced with little or no publicity? Previous new liveries have been introduced with vehicles on display in the new livery at that time at various prominent locations. This time, nothing. Why?
Quote from: RW on July 08, 2022, 09:07:18 AMWhy is the new 'grey' livery being introduced with little or no publicity? Previous new liveries have been introduced with vehicles on display in the new livery at that time at various prominent locations. This time, nothing. Why?
1) It's a stretch to call it a new livery. It's an evolution
2) Why would you publicise something so dull anyway
Quote from: RW on July 08, 2022, 09:07:18 AMWhy is the new 'grey' livery being introduced with little or no publicity? Previous new liveries have been introduced with vehicles on display in the new livery at that time at various prominent locations. This time, nothing. Why?
I presume there will be some kind of 'announcement' or publicity, perhaps when the new electric buses are launched in Coventry.
Quote from: Stu on July 08, 2022, 10:51:44 AMI presume there will be some kind of 'announcement' or publicity, perhaps when the new electric buses are launched in Coventry.
That's what I was wondering if there going to do what they did with the platinums
Quote from: uniquicity on July 08, 2022, 10:46:09 AM1) It's a stretch to call it a new livery. It's an evolution
2) Why would you publicise something so dull anyway
Certainly agree with your 'dull' comment. May be a practical livery but the people of Coventry won't be stopping and going 'wow' as an electric passes them. Disappointing that NXWM haven't pushed the boat out and gone for an outstanding livery. Cheap but not very cheerful.
Quote from: uniquicity on July 08, 2022, 10:46:09 AM1) It's a stretch to call it a new livery. It's an evolution
2) Why would you publicise something so dull anyway
Agree with this. I liked the existing Platinum livery when it was introduced but have never been convinced by having an entire fleet in a dull two-tone grey. And in my opinion the new scheme is a backward step from the existing Platinum livery, which, old Lothian livery aside, was a bit different to most styles. A two-colour livery, split diagonally with the front end a different colour to the rest, is one of the most predictable and common out there. At least the likes of Transdev and Go North West enhance it with detail including vinyls, different colour front end panels etc.
The revised NXWM effort is very much a case of a functional livery that will require minimal maintenance, but there's no getting away from the fact that it's one of the most dull and unoriginal liveries out there. Having said that it's still better than the hideous Stagecoach scheme!
QuoteAgree with this. I liked the existing Platinum livery when it was introduced but have never been convinced by having an entire fleet in a dull two-tone grey. And in my opinion the new scheme is a backward step from the existing Platinum livery, which, old Lothian livery aside, was a bit different to most styles. A two-colour livery, split diagonally with the front end a different colour to the rest, is one of the most predictable and common out there. At least the likes of Transdev and Go North West enhance it with detail including vinyls, different colour front end panels etc.
The revised NXWM effort is very much a case of a functional livery that will require minimal maintenance, but there's no getting away from the fact that it's one of the most dull and unoriginal liveries out there. Having said that it's still better than the hideous Stagecoach scheme!
The livery is also restricted as the owners of the new buses, Zenobe, have placed restrictions on colours that can be used.
Quote from: Tony on July 09, 2022, 10:00:34 AMThe livery is also restricted as the owners of the new buses, Zenobe, have placed restrictions on colours that can be used.
So is it the case that NXWM could choose any colour provided it was grey or could other colours have been used as part of the new livery but it was decided that grey was the cheapest and easiest to maintain? We're any other liveries even considered?
The new livery is quite close to the existing Platinum livery - which has appeared on every new bus since 2015 or so - thus not a change for passengers - presumably the vinyls will add to it. However part of what made that livery was the red lining.
I am a bit concerned the diagonal stripe, especially on the offside, will mostly be obliterated by a T advertisement (if fitted - they have the frame on them) thus negating the livery somewhat!! Hopefully the vinyls will be tasteful - I see E034 has the silver electric flash on the front above the windscreen.
I shall reserve judgement until I've seen the full livery, and got used to it. I like the crimson livery also but this hasn't appeared on a new vehicle since 2201-2250 and 6101-48*
Correction - 3301-5
Never heard of Zenobe before!
We've been here before - back in 1990 the fleet had become very dreary in grey or silver so the blue, red and silver livery was introduced and was far better.
Quote from: Stevo on July 10, 2022, 06:38:04 PMWe've been here before - back in 1990 the fleet had become very dreary in grey or silver so the blue, red and silver livery was introduced and was far better.
Wasn't there a 'problem ' with using silver, so it got changed to grey instead?
The silver faded or wore out quickly on repaints.
Quote from: Stevo on July 11, 2022, 12:04:13 PMThe silver faded or wore out quickly on repaints.
I thought the silver and blue livery was excellent - pity the paint formulation/system used wasn't up to the task - in my view the fleet did look insipid rather than tatty when the silver was replaced with light grey.
I'm not sure the replacement looked much better although it seemed to wear better.
The platinum fleet still looks very smart (even those which are 7 yrs old or so retain a sheen to them). Not sure if that's down to the paint formulation or whether a clear coat was added by the builders - but they seem to wear very well.
Quote from: don on July 11, 2022, 01:29:24 PMI thought the silver and blue livery was excellent - pity the paint formulation/system used wasn't up to the task - in my view the fleet did look insipid rather than tatty when the silver was replaced with light grey.
I'm not sure the replacement looked much better although it seemed to wear better.
The platinum fleet still looks very smart (even those which are 7 yrs old or so retain a sheen to them). Not sure if that's down to the paint formulation or whether a clear coat was added by the builders - but they seem to wear very well.
I'd argue the same with the Crimson livery too, the old red paint on the 'wedge' livery faded rather badly, especially when at garages where they're more exposed to the elements like Pensnett. The Crimson liveried buses aren't nearly as bad in that respect.
Yes I recall the 48xx batch were various shades of pink when in their final years at Pensnett - I seem to recall
@Tony mentioning the reds chosen for the crimson livery used shades and formulation designed to resist fading - not sure if 4177 was involved in that (when it was in all over red).
Modern two pack paint should be capable of long life, dependent on the chemicals used to clean it also - I'm frequently amazed at the resilience of much of the railway passenger stock these days, in terms of cleanliness and finish - even colours like the dark blue used by South Eastern (would have expected it to fade in years gone by) and even the white used on Networkers - which often still looks reasonable - the washing tanks at Gillingham have Autoglym stickers on them - whether that's a joke I don't know but their stuff is used on many makes of high end car (eg JLR; VW Audi).
I see no reason why the two tone grey can't be long lasting - will be interesting to see the vinyls on the electrics when finished.
Seems like 2236's 40 branding has been stripped up
Quote from: BBS on July 13, 2022, 04:29:53 PMSeems like 2236's 40 branding has been stripped up
It has been for a week, it was mentioned last week it was debranded...
I'm amazed how well both the crimson and the platinum liveries have lasted. There's no doubt maintenance is better now but the paint formulation must have improved greatly.
From this weeks brief from main man, 22 buses could be named after Englands lionesses which will go down well considering there achievement in the euros,
the manager should be included too.
Having seen a couple of them 'in the flesh' now, despite the 'dreary grey' colour, these repainted E200MMCs do actually look quite smart now, and there's almost an air of consistency now when you see them amongst the Platinum double decks along the Stratford Road.
Quote from: Stu on August 17, 2022, 07:21:58 PMHaving seen a couple of them 'in the flesh' now.
When I started reading , I thought you may have been on about the previous post . . . . . . Sorry.
Just heard the sad news (and I think you've all heard it) about Queen Elizabeth II and I wonder what will happen with the Electrics?
Quote from: busboy31 on September 08, 2022, 08:39:18 PMJust heard the sad news (and I think you've all heard it) about Queen Elizabeth II and I wonder what will happen with the Electrics?
Hopefully the sticker plan will be abandoned and E52 renumbered accordingly. The jubilee is over. The era is over. 'The Queen is dead, long live the King'. It's a shame the little crown stickers couldn't have been used on other buses in the fleet at the time. I suppose now they can just say it's a 'tribute'.
I just wanted to align on the new bus orders:Following the National Express PLC 2022 full year results on 2nd March, the accompanying press release for the UK bus operations states: 'Our net zero emission fleet targets are ambitious for a large public transport operator and remain on track to deliver in line with expectations. We now have 105 ZEV buses in service - and a further 375 approved and awaiting arrival – including Coventry where we are lead operator in the UK's first all-electric city. As part of our partnership, Transport for West Midlands ('TfWM') has secured funding for more than 100 hydrogen buses through the Zebra scheme, underscoring our commitment to help reinvigorate public transport'As I know there are the following vehicles on order/ in process of delivery that would align with the above statement- Announced 17th February 2022: 130 BYD ADL Enviro400EV double deck electric buses in process of being delivered
- Announced 26th March 2022: 124 new environmentally friendly hydrogen fueled buses (including 24 articulated tram-style buses for Sprint rapid transit routes). Bus type not known/ Not delivered
- Announced 27th January 2023: 300 battery-electric buses. Bus type not known/ Not delivered
So I make that 554 vehicles, i can not find any details of the 170 announced at Conservative party conference in October 2022?
Quote from: Wolves256 on March 07, 2023, 09:02:09 AMSo I make that 554 vehicles, i can not find any details of the 170 announced at Conservative party conference in October 2022?
Tony has confirmed on Facebook that the order for 170 will be more ADL E400EV's, ADL are due to start building this batch in approx the next 6 weeks & they will be numbered E164-E333 (Can't remember exactly where it was posted)
Will E164-E333 be on BYD chassis or the new chassis that ADL is developing? If on BYD they can't claim they're all British but that promise was made, I think, in January 2023. But is this order for 170 buses part of the 300 announced in January 2023 or additional?
Quote from: Stevo on March 07, 2023, 12:28:20 PMWill E164-E333 be on BYD chassis or the new chassis that ADL is developing? If on BYD they can't claim they're all British but that promise was made, I think, in January 2023. But is this order for 170 buses part of the 300 announced in January 2023 or additional?
They are BYD / ADL E400 EV's, same as currently being delivered.
This order was placed at the Conservative Party Conference in October 2022, months before the extra 300 were announced.
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=6404.msg308789#msg308789
The articulated tram style buses are not going to be popular with passengers, if they are seated now on a 51 or X2 they won't be happy standing at busy times on a tram like bus.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on March 07, 2023, 12:32:09 PMThe articulated tram style buses are not going to be popular with passengers, if they are seated now on a 51 or X2 they won't be happy standing at busy times on a tram like bus.
No, only TfWM want tram style buses, no one else does.
For the current batch of 130 BYD ADL Enviro400EV, these are claimed to be built in UK as per the press announcement
'The deal will see over 130 BYD ADL Enviro400EV double deck electric buses, all manufactured in Britain by ADL in partnership with BYD'
BYD ADL partnership to build 130 electric double deckers for Zenobē and National Express Coventry - BYD ADL Electric Buses (evbus.co.uk) (https://www.evbus.co.uk/byd-adl-partnership-to-build-130-electric-double-deckers-for-zenobe-and-national-express-coventry/)
Quote from: winston on March 07, 2023, 12:17:10 PMTony has confirmed on Facebook that the order for 170 will be more ADL E400EV's, ADL are due to start building this batch in approx the next 6 weeks & they will be numbered E164-E333 (Can't remember exactly where it was posted)
Theses 170 additional vehicles announced at the conservative conference do not line up with numbers in the NX report? 170 buses is a big order these days and there would normally be many press releases to announce such a big order
Quote from: Wolves256 on March 07, 2023, 01:32:26 PMTheses 170 additional vehicles announced at the conservative conference do not line up with numbers in the NX report? 170 buses is a big order these days and there would normally be many press releases to announce such a big order
The word of Tony Hunter Fleet Deployment officer at NXWM is good enough for me!
Quote from: Wolves256 on March 07, 2023, 01:32:26 PMTheses 170 additional vehicles announced at the conservative conference do not line up with numbers in the NX report? 170 buses is a big order these days and there would normally be many press releases to announce such a big order
There was a big press announcement about 300 extra buses with a note to say it was over 600 in total. The 170 order is split into three batches same as the current order for 130 is. Body numbers will be N449/1-30; N455/1-50 & N461/1-90
Thanks Tony, so in total we have the following on order/announced to be orderedElectric- 170 DD ADL E400EV's (this is where i did not see a press announcement). Body numbers will be N449/1-30; N455/1-50 & N461/1-90
- 300 DD/ Type TBC. Announced in January 2023
Hydrogen- 100 DD/ Type TBC. Announced March 2022
- 24 Articulated Sprint/ Type TBC. Announced 26th March 2022
Quote from: winston on March 07, 2023, 01:40:53 PMThe word of Tony Hunter Fleet Deployment officer at NXWM is good enough for me!
...as well as for many of us.....
Quote from: winston on March 07, 2023, 12:17:10 PMTony has confirmed on Facebook that the order for 170 will be more ADL E400EV's, ADL are due to start building this batch in approx the next 6 weeks & they will be numbered E164-E333 (Can't remember exactly where it was posted)
Thanks for that, very good news. As someone who ditched facebook a good while ago I clearly miss some information being released.
Quote from: Wolves256 on March 07, 2023, 01:59:12 PMThanks Tony, so in total we have the following on order/announced to be ordered
Electric
- 170 DD ADL E400EV's (this is where i did not see a press announcement). Body numbers will be N449/1-30; N455/1-50 & N461/1-90
- 300 DD/ Type TBC. Announced in January 2023
Hydrogen
- 100 DD/ Type TBC. Announced March 2022
- 24 Articulated Sprint/ Type TBC. Announced 26th March 2022
I'm going to have a guess that most of the 170 will go to PB and YW (simply because of the equipment being there or partially there). AG could also be a good bet also (the 4 and the 11 would be good targets for EVs, noting one of the CV ones was driven around it recently on private hire). I'm presuming the replacement garages for BC will all be fully equipped for EV but clearly won't be happening for a while - and no expenditure adding EV equipment to BC is likely in the short term.
It's interesting in terms of replacements - I think the following is possible:-
Remainder of the 130 CV EVs indirectly replace all non euro 6 double deckers up to 4696. The B7RLE cascades could potentially replace Scanias instead.
170 additional EVs replace Euro 6 to 4696 and about 100 single deck Scanias (less if the B7RLEs mentioned above replace Scanias).
124 Hydrogens replace remaining 50 odd Scanias (or less re above) and DDs to 4780 - and what's the betting these might change to EVs if hydrogen increases in price as predicted.
What would the remaining 176 buses replace? Maybe the older B7RLE, E200 and E400s??
I know Tony is not able to confirm or otherwise any of this!!
Quote from: don on March 07, 2023, 04:23:24 PMI'm going to have a guess that most of the 170 will go to PB and YW (simply because of the equipment being there or partially there). AG could also be a good bet also (the 4 and the 11 would be good targets for EVs, noting one of the CV ones was driven around it recently on private hire). I'm presuming the replacement garages for BC will all be fully equipped for EV but clearly won't be happening for a while - and no expenditure adding EV equipment to BC is likely in the short term.
It's interesting in terms of replacements - I think the following is possible:-
Remainder of the 130 CV EVs indirectly replace all non euro 6 double deckers up to 4696. The B7RLE cascades could potentially replace Scanias instead.
170 additional EVs replace Euro 6 to 4696 and about 100 single deck Scanias (less if the B7RLEs mentioned above replace Scanias).
124 Hydrogens replace remaining 50 odd Scanias (or less re above) and DDs to 4780 - and what's the betting these might change to EVs if hydrogen increases in price as predicted.
What would the remaining 176 buses replace? Maybe the older B7RLE, E200 and E400s??
I know Tony is not able to confirm or otherwise any of this!!
As long as the single decker fleet is reduced, that's fine with me
QuoteI'm going to have a guess that most of the 170 will go to PB and YW (simply because of the equipment being there or partially there). AG could also be a good bet also (the 4 and the 11 would be good targets for EVs, noting one of the CV ones was driven around it recently on private hire). I'm presuming the replacement garages for BC will all be fully equipped for EV but clearly won't be happening for a while - and no expenditure adding EV equipment to BC is likely in the short term.
It's interesting in terms of replacements - I think the following is possible:-
Remainder of the 130 CV EVs indirectly replace all non euro 6 double deckers up to 4696. The B7RLE cascades could potentially replace Scanias instead.
170 additional EVs replace Euro 6 to 4696 and about 100 single deck Scanias (less if the B7RLEs mentioned above replace Scanias).
124 Hydrogens replace remaining 50 odd Scanias (or less re above) and DDs to 4780 - and what's the betting these might change to EVs if hydrogen increases in price as predicted.
What would the remaining 176 buses replace? Maybe the older B7RLE, E200 and E400s??
I know Tony is not able to confirm or otherwise any of this!!
AG is best to have it on the 4/4A mostly
Quote from: don on March 07, 2023, 04:23:24 PMI'm going to have a guess that most of the 170 will go to PB and YW (simply because of the equipment being there or partially there). AG could also be a good bet also (the 4 and the 11 would be good targets for EVs, noting one of the CV ones was driven around it recently on private hire). I'm presuming the replacement garages for BC will all be fully equipped for EV but clearly won't be happening for a while - and no expenditure adding EV equipment to BC is likely in the short term.
It's interesting in terms of replacements - I think the following is possible:-
Remainder of the 130 CV EVs indirectly replace all non euro 6 double deckers up to 4696. The B7RLE cascades could potentially replace Scanias instead.
170 additional EVs replace Euro 6 to 4696 and about 100 single deck Scanias (less if the B7RLEs mentioned above replace Scanias).
124 Hydrogens replace remaining 50 odd Scanias (or less re above) and DDs to 4780 - and what's the betting these might change to EVs if hydrogen increases in price as predicted.
What would the remaining 176 buses replace? Maybe the older B7RLE, E200 and E400s??
I know Tony is not able to confirm or otherwise any of this!!
So here's a go at predicting what the remaining 176 buses might replace:-
E200 - 729-734; 801-830 (35)
B7RLE - 2001-2029; 2063-2125 (93)
Hybrid - 5401-9; 5501-9 (18)
E400 - 4799-4829 (30)
Possibly some of 4830-4879 instead of some of the B7RLE
This is all generally based on age rather than anything else (eg vehicle condition, which we don't generally know).
It's good fun second guessing what the fleet plan will be - hopefully
@Tony won't be annoyed....
Quote from: don on March 08, 2023, 05:22:06 PMSo here's a go at predicting what the remaining 176 buses might replace:-
E200 - 729-734; 801-830 (35)
B7RLE - 2001-2029; 2059-2122 (93)
Hybrid - 5401-9; 5501-9 (18)
E400 - 4799-4829 (30)
Possibly some of 4830-4879 instead of some of the B7RLE
This is all generally based on age rather than anything else (eg vehicle condition, which we don't generally know).
It's good fun second guessing what the fleet plan will be - hopefully @Tony won't be annoyed....
B7RLE's - 2059-2062 have already been removed from service & are in the training fleet.
Quote from: winston on March 08, 2023, 05:39:05 PMB7RLE's - 2059-2062 have already been removed from service & are in the training fleet.
I forgot about those - I've edited my post accordingly!!
Quote from: don on March 08, 2023, 05:22:06 PMSo here's a go at predicting what the remaining 176 buses might replace:-
E200 - 729-734; 801-830 (35)
B7RLE - 2001-2029; 2063-2125 (93)
Hybrid - 5401-9; 5501-9 (18)
E400 - 4799-4829 (30)
Possibly some of 4830-4879 instead of some of the B7RLE
This is all generally based on age rather than anything else (eg vehicle condition, which we don't generally know).
It's good fun second guessing what the fleet plan will be - hopefully @Tony won't be annoyed....
Wouldn't it make sense to release the older Scanias first ahead of the Volvos?
Quote from: markcf83 on March 09, 2023, 03:07:05 PMWouldn't it make sense to release the older Scanias first ahead of the Volvos?
You need to read Don's latest post in conjuction with his original one. The Scania's will have already been replaced by earlier batches of new vehicles
Quote from above: Transport for West Midlands ('TfWM') has secured funding for more than 100 hydrogen buses. Does this not mean that they will belong to Transport for West Midlands, not NatEx? In that case should not the operators be those tendering for TfWM routes, not necessarily NatEx?
A lot of funding is secured through various public sector initiatives - has been for years. As we don't have a regulated bus environment in the West Midlands it tends to go to operators.
An example is the Coventry electric city - various avenues of funding and will affect all operators (from what I can glean it will include most if not all of Stagecoach's fleets which may run in the city (while of Leamington, Nuneaton, maybe Rugby) all of NXC/NXWM and the odd bit of Diamond - although the lack of murmuring or even announcements from anyone except NX is deafening!!!
Quote from: winston on March 09, 2023, 03:23:34 PMYou need to read Don's latest post in conjuction with his original one. The Scania's will have already been replaced by earlier batches of new vehicles
Missed what he said.
2231 has got new red Price branding on it
Quote from: Jack6101 on March 29, 2023, 03:35:43 PM2231 has got new red Price branding on it
any pictures?
Quote from: SK68MEV on March 30, 2023, 12:49:06 PMany pictures?
On Facebook on the National express West Midlands enthusiast group
Quote from: Jack6101 on March 30, 2023, 01:11:35 PMOn Facebook on the National express West Midlands enthusiast group
On the main site!
Quote from: Tony on March 30, 2023, 01:15:22 PMOn the main site!
You haven't put it on there yet, only pic of 2231 is in Walsall paintshop
I put it on last night, looks like the upload didn't pick it up. The link should have been in that gap after 4433 on the home page. Will sort it later
Quote from: winston on March 30, 2023, 01:24:42 PMYou haven't put it on there yet, only pic of 2231 is in Walsall paintshop
It is there now
I have to say that after a move away from that dreadful white with red diagonal front end livery, to the pleasant Lothian-inspired crimson and Platinum designs, this latest two-tone grey scheme is a real let down.
The way the horizontal sticker on 2231 cuts through the diagonal stripe isn't aesthetically pleasing. Just my opinion, but I'd much rather they'd stuck with the previous grey livery, which at least had some nice detailing to detract from the uninspiring colour scheme.
Personally I wish they had stuck with the crimson livery, this new grey scheme seems a backwards step in comparison
Quote from: Lukeee on March 31, 2023, 01:54:54 AMPersonally I wish they had stuck with the crimson livery, this new grey scheme seems a backwards step in comparison
They've gone with the grey because it's very hard waring, if you look at the earliest Platinum buses (6701-6758) they still look good after nearly eight years old.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on March 31, 2023, 05:15:59 AMThey've gone with the grey because it's very hard waring, if you look at the earliest Platinum buses (6701-6758) they still look good after nearly eight years old.
From a practical aspect, I agree, though it does dilute the Platinum brand somewhat. Whichever livery was chosen for main fleet, Platinum was a real contrast, similar to the Timesaver rationale.
I must agree that the new grey for the single deckers does look rather bland compared to the Platinum/crimsons, and the orange blinds also clash visually too.
Quote from: Wumpty on March 31, 2023, 06:07:27 AMFrom a practical aspect, I agree, though it does dilute the Platinum brand somewhat. Whichever livery was chosen for main fleet, Platinum was a real contrast, similar to the Timesaver rationale.
I must agree that the new grey for the single deckers does look rather bland compared to the Platinum/crimsons, and the orange blinds also clash visually too.
The Platinum name will probably disappear as all new deliveries will be platinum spec anyway
Quote from: Steve3229vp on March 31, 2023, 06:22:12 AMThe Platinum name will probably disappear as all new deliveries will be platinum spec anyway
It will go the same way as the electrics in coventry the first batch (E020-29) had "National Express Coventry electric" the new batch (E034-163) has just "National Express Coventry"
I understand the owners of the new electrics specified what colour the buses had to be, but surely the old layout could have been used? This has in turn made the rest fleet going from having one of the best and smartest liveries in years to drab, boring and uninspired. And that branding doesn't improve it much either.
QuoteThey've gone with the grey because it's very hard waring, if you look at the earliest Platinum buses (6701-6758) they still look good after nearly eight years old.
That batch only had dest boards which aren't as bright as they used to be anymore
Quote from: Gareth on March 31, 2023, 10:59:05 AMI understand the owners of the new electrics specified what colour the buses had to be, but surely the old layout could have been used? This has in turn made the rest fleet going from having one of the best and smartest liveries in years to drab, boring and uninspired. And that branding doesn't improve it much either.
I suspect using the old layout for the second tone of grey would have been more expensive per bus. It will also be easier for the paint shop to do, saving cost and time - let's see how long it takes to do all the applicable buses in the pre 2015 colours, letting alone getting the whole fleet consistent.
However this new price branding is unbelievable - the font is totally out of keeping with the normal NXWM fonts, and is totally in your face - a bit like a Donald Trump Truth Social post with block capitals etc - you can imagine Brian Blessed bellowing it out the side of the bus.
So 100% for getting the message over - 10% for the graphic design - I suppose at least it's red background so in keeping with the NXWM livery!
This is why a certain firm on the south coast can charge six figure sums for their design work - although I must say the colours evocative of sand castles, sea and beach balls are somewhat out of place in Weoley Castle and Solihull.
This is a pity because hitherto NXWM's stuff has been good and even the new two tone grey livery with its colour coded trim - that branding is awful though!!
The branding on the new electric fleet in Coventry clearly refers to Coventry Electrics - maybe in a different place from the first batch. I think that Coventry branding is also good but will no doubt be covered up to an extent by advertising.
I've noticed the new front accent - which, to me, looks smart - has resulted in the name being removed.
Do you think there will be special livery done to celebrate the coronation of King Charles IIl
Quote from: Ginger66 on April 08, 2023, 07:44:52 AMDo you think there will be special livery done to celebrate the coronation of King Charles
Your joking aren't ya they didn't do a livery for the queen's platinum jubilee
Quote from: Bethhart2022 on April 08, 2023, 07:29:05 PMYour joking aren't ya they didn't do a livery for the queen's platinum jubilee
They have stickers and a bus numbered E1952R
Would be a mark of respect to now remove the stickers and renumber the bus back to E052 again and
Quote from: Ginger66 on April 08, 2023, 07:44:52 AMDo you think there will be special livery done to celebrate the coronation of King Charles IIl
why waste money on celebrating the privileged rich with vast amounts of wealth when there's cost living crisis going on, i'd rather see a bus high lighting a good cause in the local community.
Theres an article in Route One magazine confirming 170 additional buses from Alexander Dennis / BYD by the end of 2024.
QuoteTheres an article in Route One magazine confirming 170 additional buses from Alexander Dennis / BYD by the end of 2024.
So the other 130 must be Wright Electroliners
Quote from: suavegarv on April 13, 2023, 01:42:18 PMTheres an article in Route One magazine confirming 170 additional buses from Alexander Dennis / BYD by the end of 2024.
Link
https://www.route-one.net/orders/alexander-dennis-confirms-further-large-order-from-national-express-west-midlands/
Although the article says that these 170 are part of the 300 announced in January and would take the fleet total to 329 ADL/BYD (E001-E029, E034-E333).
But with the additional 170 announced at the Conservative conference for which Tony has already announced the body numbers (N449/1-30; N455/1-50 & N461/1-90) these would actually take the total to 499 not 329.
Unless I am getting confused by all these 170s
I've just saw a pic on Facebook and it's shows a new Nx plain livery inside ADL gates reg is LG23EWB , is this one from the new batch
Quote from: suavegarv on April 13, 2023, 01:42:18 PMTheres an article in Route One magazine confirming 170 additional buses from Alexander Dennis / BYD by the end of 2024.
The first 30 are already built
Quote from: Tony on April 13, 2023, 03:44:21 PMThe first 30 are already built
Will they be stored elsewhere first whilst electric charging points installed at intended garages or will they start being delivered in upcoming weeks
Details of the next 30 electrics (E164-E193) are now on the main site
E001 upwards (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/E001.html)
Although some of these have been seem with registration plates on at Falkirk none have actually been registered yet and it is unlikely the plates fitted at Falkirk will be the registrations when they do enter service
With the discussion on the Pensnett thread comparing that garage to West Bromwich, age of comparative fleets etc and profitability of routes etc, it made me wonder an old recurring question. How many routes have been allocated new buses that don't serve Birmingham City Centre in the last 10 years? I can think of only 1, the 529 Walsall-Wolverhampton but there must be more?
Normally this question is asked in terms of garages, I'm asking it in terms of routes. Wolverhampton had massive investment what 11-12 years ago now? You could argue merging the 376 with the 934 means the former was allocated new buses in 2015, I also get that the 11A and 11C have hand me downs that are newer than 10 years old and there are a few examples of that. I also recognise that my own ex routes in Walsall (10, 9, 35) got new Platinums on Sundays but I'm meaning regular Mon-Sat boards getting new buses. Assuming it is more than the 529, there are not many are there?
Quote from: Budgie on May 20, 2023, 05:15:30 PMWith the discussion on the Pensnett thread comparing that garage to West Bromwich, age of comparative fleets etc and profitability of routes etc, it made me wonder an old recurring question. How many routes have been allocated new buses that don't serve Birmingham City Centre in the last 10 years? I can think of only 1, the 529 Walsall-Wolverhampton but there must be more?
Normally this question is asked in terms of garages, I'm asking it in terms of routes. Wolverhampton had massive investment what 11-12 years ago now? You could argue merging the 376 with the 934 means the former was allocated new buses in 2015, I also get that the 11A and 11C have hand me downs that are newer than 10 years old and there are a few examples of that. I also recognise that my own ex routes in Walsall (10, 9, 35) got new Platinums on Sundays but I'm meaning regular Mon-Sat boards getting new buses. Assuming it is more than the 529, there are not many are there?
All the routes run by E200s in the Black Country.
Quote from: Tony on May 20, 2023, 05:22:31 PMAll the routes run by E200s in the Black Country.
All of the Coventry electric buses as well?
Also in 2015 the 71 had E200 MMC new on that route as well for a few years until it moved to Perry Barr.
I really hope that all those electric buses for Coventry will be reflected in a significant increase in passenger numbers. What future for buses if not?
So of the 4 none Brum garages, Bus Times reckons approx 614 buses, a fair number of approx 266 are 14 plates or newer and at least 61 of those were new for none Birmingham routes with up to 10 more Wolverhampton platinum's that appear on both X8 and other routes. Newest of those past 6 years ago..... not sure that will prove a major attraction for passengers who don't travel into Birmingham back onto the bus network but it could be worse.
If only Walsall could get more of those Hydrogen's out on a daily basis. I know good reasons why there isn't but it seems such a waste such valuable assets aren't in more regular use.
Quote from: Budgie on May 20, 2023, 07:13:26 PMI really hope that all those electric buses for Coventry will be reflected in a significant increase in passenger numbers.
They're not really suitable for 'significant increases in passenger numbers', they're quite a bit smaller than the buses they've replaced so far. Unless frequencies can be changed in the future.
Just a brief question - I don't know if it can be answered but here goes.
Presumably the entry into service of more Coventry electrics is dependent on the implementation of more charging infrastructure and this limits the ability to cascade vehicles. With a number of the next batch of 170 now built, and presuming the new PB had charging infrastructure built in, is it possible some of these may enter service before the balance of the Coventry electrics, thus freeing up vehicles for earlier cascade, to replace older (and even non Euro 6) buses as their MOTs expire. Reports of de branding of some of PB's existing buses has been mentioned on this forum.
Quote from: don on June 01, 2023, 09:19:48 PMJust a brief question - I don't know if it can be answered but here goes.
Presumably the entry into service of more Coventry electrics is dependent on the implementation of more charging infrastructure and this limits the ability to cascade vehicles. With a number of the next batch of 170 now built, and presuming the new PB had charging infrastructure built in, is it possible some of these may enter service before the balance of the Coventry electrics, thus freeing up vehicles for earlier cascade, to replace older (and even non Euro 6) buses as their MOTs expire. Reports of de branding of some of PB's existing buses has been mentioned on this forum.
The remaining Coventry ones are very close, the charging points are in, just needing enough electricity to use them which we are promised this month. The Birmingham ones are looking like November/December time
Quote from: Tony on June 01, 2023, 09:46:17 PMThe remaining Coventry ones are very close, the charging points are in, just needing enough electricity to use them which we are promised this month. The Birmingham ones are looking like November/December time
Thanks - interesting. I'm looking forward to seeing where the B7RLEs get cascaded - my guess is Walsall as they have so many Scanias (and already operate/have B7RLEs) currently.
Quote from: Tony on June 01, 2023, 09:46:17 PMThe remaining Coventry ones are very close, the charging points are in, just needing enough electricity to use them which we are promised this month. The Birmingham ones are looking like November/December time
So the next batch for Birmingham will likely be in storage for 6+ months too before they can enter service.
QuoteSo the next batch for Birmingham will likely be in storage for 6+ months too before they can enter service.
That's fairly long...
Quote from: winston on June 01, 2023, 11:50:38 PMSo the next batch for Birmingham will likely be in storage for 6+ months too before they can enter service.
Birmingham was a guess on my part - could easily be somewhere else - I don't think it's been announced where they'll go - presumably the delay is whilst charging infrastructure is installed. De-branded existing buses are sometimes a pointer!
Quote from: don on June 02, 2023, 01:00:56 AMBirmingham was a guess on my part - could easily be somewhere else - I don't think it's been announced where they'll go - presumably the delay is whilst charging infrastructure is installed. De-branded existing buses are sometimes a pointer!
@don Tony said 'Birmingham' in his reply to you.
Quote from: winston on June 02, 2023, 01:27:46 AM@don Tony said 'Birmingham' in his reply to you.
Oh yes, I didn't notice that!!
Would it not be easier if any cv repaints get the red stipe instead of blue?
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on June 02, 2023, 09:04:57 AMWould it not be easier if any cv repaints get the red stipe instead of blue?
The stripes are only vinyl, so if a bus transfers from Birmingham / Black Country to Coventry and vice versa it's a fairly quick job to change a few vinyls - as opposed to the full repaint that's required now.
Dunno if I've missed this, but is the plan for the Coventry blue stripe & white vehicles transferred to the Black Country to go to red stripe & white or not eventually?
(Presumbly the Coventry 'crimson' vehicles would go to the new grey livery eventually?)
Is there any transferred Coventry vehicles that won't get a repaint, for any reason?
Yesterday I viewed the photos of NXWM vehicles posted on-line and ended up totally greyed out. With the best will in the world and recognising the practicalities of the new livery from the company's point of view it's difficult to describe it as anything other than dull and boring. I suspect it's probably been said before somewhere on this site but seeing all of the vehicles in the photos being 'grey', for me, brought it into sharp focus. Oh well there's always the next 'new' livery to anticipate if we're all still around!
I can understand the comments about the grey, and I must admit, the new layout of colours compared with the Platinum is less inspiring. However, the original thought, as I understood it, was the grey was intended to convey a similar ambience as high end cars - some of which are grey. The Platinum livery worked, in my view, because of the red trim.
I think the new livery is fine but on a recent visit to Birmingham I was particularly impressed by the crimson liveried vehicles. In fact both the crimson and the grey look really good, even the ones repainted ages ago - I'm not so sure about the two tone blue, some of which were also around central Birmingham (although will obviously be repainted........ at some stage)!
2019 now back at WN repainted with the extra red on the same as 2231.
Quote from: Tony on June 07, 2023, 06:18:24 PM2019 now back at WN repainted with the extra red on the same as 2231.
Does this mean double deckets can finally be painted too?
Quote from: Tony on June 07, 2023, 06:18:24 PM2019 now back at WN repainted with the extra red on the same as 2231.
The 'extra' red certainly helps to relieve the all over grey appearance.
Quote from: Tony on June 01, 2023, 09:46:17 PMThe remaining Coventry ones are very close, the charging points are in, just needing enough electricity to use them which we are promised this month. The Birmingham ones are looking like November/December time
We are a few weeks on from this message now, so it must be frustrating to still have so many Coventry electrics waiting to enter service and delaying cascades.
Quote from: cardew on July 10, 2023, 02:04:19 PMWe are a few weeks on from this message now, so it must be frustrating to still have so many Coventry electrics waiting to enter service and delaying cascades.
i'm not complaining, the diesels get to stay longer!
quick ? has WMT to nxwm ever had a single colour livery, i can't think of one, may be the early batch of leyland lynx were they grey but arches/skirts another colour ? i quite like the single shade of blue Arriva are currently using. GMCA BEE network gone for single shade yellow colour
Quote from: 2900 on July 13, 2023, 10:23:58 AMquick ? has WMT to nxwm ever had a single colour livery, i can't think of one, may be the early batch of leyland lynx were they grey but arches/skirts another colour ? i quite like the single shade of blue Arriva are currently using. GMCA BEE network gone for single shade yellow colour
Very possibly by 1996, pre low floor the vast majority of the fleet would have been in 'red stripe', although in varying shades of silver and grey. I think the previous blue and silver/grey had been mostly eradicated by then apart from a couple of Fleetlines and a few lynxes.
Quote from: Gareth on July 13, 2023, 11:19:06 AMVery possibly by 1996, pre low floor the vast majority of the fleet would have been in 'red stripe', although in varying shades of silver and grey. I think the previous blue and silver/grey had been mostly eradicated by then apart from a couple of Fleetlines and a few lynxes.
Those aren't 'single colour liveries'
The closest single colour livery WMT has had was the 2nd Timesaver Livery that 2957 currently carries i.e. allover blue with Gold Relief / Fleetnames, but that wasn't a standard fleet livery:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/coventrybuspics/43589242075
That said, even the new Bee Network Livery has black relief & detailing
Quote from: winston on July 13, 2023, 11:53:40 AMThose aren't 'single colour liveries'
The closest single colour livery WMT has had was the 2nd Timesaver Livery that 2957 currently carries i.e. allover blue with Gold Relief / Fleetnames, but that wasn't a standard fleet livery:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/coventrybuspics/43589242075
That said, even the new Bee Network Livery has black relief & detailing
Ah, yes. Sorry I misread it as a single livery!
I know all of CV's electric double decks have yet to enter service, but with the knowledge the electric city project involves 100% electric by 2025, it appears 10 E200s will require replacement and cascade next year, perhaps. Is there any news which could be shared on how this might happen, and is it intended the double deckers replace the B7RLEs in their entirety at CV?
Quote from: don on July 14, 2023, 07:25:36 PMI know all of CV's electric double decks have yet to enter service, but with the knowledge the electric city project involves 100% electric by 2025, it appears 10 E200s will require replacement and cascade next year, perhaps. Is there any news which could be shared on how this might happen, and is it intended the double deckers replace the B7RLEs in their entirety at CV?
My understanding is that while there will always be a requirement for single deck vehicles for certain routes, the amount of electric double decks incoming will reduce the number of single decks overall at Coventry.
While there has not yet been any confirmation of any order for single-deck electric buses, there is still plenty of time to make a decision, and I'm sure we'll yet see another couple of demonstrators given the once over.
Yeah that's my understanding as well - actually I should have said 11 E200s (839-44 and 871-5). 832 is currently in paint (presumed grey with red trim) and I presume 833 will follow at some point. That would be a CV fleet of 151 if all the DDs are cascaded (and the three old ones withdrawn), and all the B7RLEs are cascaded.
Is there just 30 DD due this year followed by potentially 270 next year?
QuoteIndeed but if replaced by B7RLEs or double deckers this wouldn't happen. Another possibility is cascade of E200MMC to replace Omnilinks if the 4 gets converted to electric double decker. All conjecture but the next year will be very interesting indeed.
Most likley the 4 is going to be converted to electric, but there's way more Omnilinks in the fleet. You'll also need to train every garage that has never had e200MMC
Quote from: Jack on July 14, 2023, 09:22:52 PMWould much rather have an Omnilink over no bus at all, and much preferred to an E200 or B7RLE imo.
The comment about being better than no bus at all is rubbish, they're no good at all when they go flying past you full up when it's normally a double decker.
Quote from: don on July 14, 2023, 09:38:18 PMYeah that's my understanding as well - actually I should have said 11 E200s (839-44 and 871-5). 832 is currently in paint (presumed grey with red trim) and I presume 833 will follow at some point. That would be a CV fleet of 151 if all the DDs are cascaded (and the three old ones withdrawn), and all the B7RLEs are cascaded.
I personally look forward to 2153 in particular, returning to NXWM
Quote from: BBS on July 15, 2023, 12:22:57 AMMost likley the 4 is going to be converted to electric, but there's way more Omnilinks in the fleet. You'll also need to train every garage that has never had e200MMC
West Bromwich already has some (and Scanias).
Quote from: don on July 15, 2023, 02:12:24 PMWest Bromwich already has some (and Scanias).
They are the only type you don't have to train everybody on as the cabs on the E200MMC & E400MMC are identical, so they are both signed if if you have been trained on the other
E172 & E173 have just arrived, so 9 delivered this week so far (along with E164-70)
Quote from: Tony on November 17, 2023, 02:56:02 PME172 & E173 have just arrived, so 9 delivered this week so far (along with E164-70)
I passed one on the Aston Expressway around 1pm so I guess it was one of these? (I only saw the Alexander Dennis on the display and that it was a 73 plate).
Quote from: ellspurs on November 17, 2023, 06:23:27 PMI passed one on the Aston Expressway around 1pm so I guess it was one of these? (I only saw the Alexander Dennis on the display and that it was a 73 plate).
They arrived within about 10 minutes of each other, so I cannot tell which you saw
Can I ask a cheeky question
@Tony ?
As CV destinations are displayed on the photos of the latest deliveries, are these first ten going there, possibly to displace E020 to E029 to a Birmingham garage? Or perhaps alternatively another 10 B7RLEs?
Quote from: don on November 17, 2023, 08:17:38 PMCan I ask a cheeky question @Tony ?
As CV destinations are displayed on the photos of the latest deliveries, are these first ten going there, possibly to displace E020 to E029 to a Birmingham garage? Or perhaps alternatively another 10 B7RLEs?
No, Sorry, just a case of at the moment the only next stop file that has been written for the LED next stop screens is Coventry's, so to check they work correctly I have to put Coventry destinations on the front to check the announcements.
Quote from: Tony on November 17, 2023, 08:33:07 PMNo, Sorry, just a case of at the moment the only next stop file that has been written for the LED next stop screens is Coventry's, so to check they work correctly I have to put Coventry destinations on the front to check the announcements.
No problem - I did wonder 😀
I've noticed over last few days multiple platinums have had there red brading removed under upstairs windows at rear but where fleet number is still got the red branding 6969 I noticed and a few others
Quote from: Jack6101 on December 11, 2023, 09:33:06 AMI've noticed over last few days multiple platinums have had there red brading removed under upstairs windows at rear but where fleet number is still got the red branding 6969 I noticed and a few others
Yeah I noticed that, I think across the company all free WiFi stickers and branding are being romoved I noticed it on some Walsall 67s then I noticed it on other buses too.
the three zenobe spares currently in use at yw are now in the new standard grey/red stripe livery now
Quote from: Wba_lad on December 11, 2023, 11:11:27 AMYeah I noticed that, I think across the company all free WiFi stickers and branding are being romoved I noticed it on some Walsall 67s then I noticed it on other buses too.
WiFi being switched off i've heard ,apparently only 1% of customers use it , i,m sure Tony has mentioned in the past its huge cost for the equipment etc
Quote from: EK40 on December 14, 2023, 09:36:45 PMthe three zenobe spares currently in use at yw are now in the new standard grey/red stripe livery now
Have they just had a red stripe added to their all over dark grey, or have they had the fronts painted light grey too?
Quote from: Gareth on December 15, 2023, 05:53:44 PMHave they just had a red stripe added to their all over dark grey, or have they had the fronts painted light grey too?
Just the red strips as they was already half and half iirc
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on December 15, 2023, 06:24:36 PMJust the red strips as they was already half and half iirc
No, allover darker grey
I may be mistaken as it was quite some distance away, but I thought I saw one of the new electric buses in the new two-tone grey diagonal livery, complete with diagonal red stripe and detailing, going round the island at Selly Oak Retail park at around 9.30 this morning.
Quote from: Mike K on December 21, 2023, 09:52:40 AMI may be mistaken as it was quite some distance away, but I thought I saw one of the new electric buses in the new two-tone grey diagonal livery, complete with diagonal red stripe and detailing, going round the island at Selly Oak Retail park at around 9.30 this morning.
That would be Z4007 which is on the 76 this morning
Quote from: Mike K on December 21, 2023, 09:52:40 AMI may be mistaken as it was quite some distance away, but I thought I saw one of the new electric buses in the new two-tone grey diagonal livery, complete with diagonal red stripe and detailing, going round the island at Selly Oak Retail park at around 9.30 this morning.
It may of been one of the new deliveries.
Quote from: Wba_lad on December 21, 2023, 11:17:19 AMIt may of been one of the new deliveries.
Read above it's already been told it's Z4007.
Quote from: Jack on December 21, 2023, 11:22:35 AMRead above it's already been told it's Z4007.
I didn't see it!!!
Quote from: Tony on December 21, 2023, 10:06:18 AMThat would be Z4007 which is on the 76 this morning
Thanks, forgot about the "Z" ones getting the red stripe treatment
Are the new electrics going to replace the 40 non euro 6 vehicles in the 24 days they need to be. NX has had more than enough time to sort this out now.
Quote from: JosephR on December 31, 2023, 11:22:39 PMAre the new electrics going to replace the 40 non euro 6 vehicles in the 24 days they need to be. NX has had more than enough time to sort this out now.
You place an order for new buses you got to wait till they are built & ready to be delivered & have the charging points at the depot
Quote from: JosephR on December 31, 2023, 11:22:39 PMAre the new electrics going to replace the 40 non euro 6 vehicles in the 24 days they need to be. NX has had more than enough time to sort this out now.
That is the plan I believe.
Quote from: Solo1 on January 01, 2024, 10:08:03 AMYou place an order for new buses you got to wait till they are built & ready to be delivered & have the charging points at the depot
According to Tony's last list of 'vehicles away from home garage', I make it 52 already delivered and in storage, awaiting allocation and transfer to their new homes.
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?msg=322153
I don't know how installation of charging points is progressing though.
Quote from: Stu on January 01, 2024, 10:42:12 AMThat is the plan I believe.
According to Tony's last list of 'vehicles away from home garage', I make it 52 already delivered and in storage, awaiting allocation and transfer to their new homes.
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?msg=322153
I don't know how installation of charging points is progressing though.
It's mainly Gemini that need replacing I think around 30 odd. Means we'll be seeing cascades to AG & WB to displace.
rumours are that PN will get some for the X10.. which is believable actually considering the garage is on its route.
Quote from: JosephR on January 01, 2024, 07:33:26 PMIt's mainly Gemini that need replacing I think around 30 odd. Means we'll be seeing cascades to AG & WB to displace.
rumours are that PN will get some for the X10.. which is believable actually considering the garage is on its route.
Shiny new buses for Karl then!
There's no electrics due for PN anytime soon.
Quote from: JosephR on January 01, 2024, 07:33:26 PMIt's mainly Gemini that need replacing I think around 30 odd. Means we'll be seeing cascades to AG & WB to displace.
rumours are that PN will get some for the X10.. which is believable actually considering the garage is on its route.
what a surprise AG & WB get nothing - i would have thought the 37 would be an ideal candidate for Electrics, also 80 & 87
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on January 01, 2024, 08:54:11 PMwhat a surprise AG & WB get nothing - i would have thought the 37 would be an ideal candidate for Electrics, also 80 & 87
How do you know AG and WB get nothing?
How come people who've never worked in the bus industry, know how to run it better?
Know where the energy suppliers are capable of providing enough power.
Know which routes make enough to cover the cost of new investment.
All without ever having been involved
Quote from: JosephR on December 31, 2023, 11:22:39 PMAre the new electrics going to replace the 40 non euro 6 vehicles in the 24 days they need to be. NX has had more than enough time to sort this out now.
Unlikely, an extention was applied for to continue using 36 x non Euro 6 buses allocated to AG, WB & YW.
I'm assume it has since been approved.
Quote from: Tony on January 01, 2024, 09:47:07 PMHow do you know AG and WB get nothing?
How come people who've never worked in the bus industry, know how to run it better?
Know where the energy suppliers are capable of providing enough power.
Know which routes make enough to cover the cost of new investment.
All without ever having been involved
Hey i never said i know better,
and never mentioned Energy Supplies, i said i thought 37 / 80 / 87 would be good candidates for Electrics.
i also never said anything about cost or investment (although the 80 runs as a 3 bell load regularly, 37 does during the peak)
yes i did say AG & WB are getting nothing, in a majority of threads AG & WB do not get the new vehicles, just cast offs from elsewhere
never have i said that know better, never have i said if did, do or don't work in the industry,
in fact nobody on here actually knows me at all, i prefer it that way, i was also under the impression this is a discussion based forum, maybe i go that wrong.
i do not want trouble, i am not trying to cause trouble, maybe i should keep my opinions top myself & just read things & say nothing :undecided:
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on January 02, 2024, 09:11:30 PMHey i never said i know better,
and never mentioned Energy Supplies, i said i thought 37 / 80 / 87 would be good candidates for Electrics.
i also never said anything about cost or investment (although the 80 runs as a 3 bell load regularly, 37 does during the peak)
yes i did say AG & WB are getting nothing, in a majority of threads AG & WB do not get the new vehicles, just cast offs from elsewhere
never have i said that know better, never have i said if did, do or don't work in the industry,
in fact nobody on here actually knows me at all, i prefer it that way, i was also under the impression this is a discussion based forum, maybe i go that wrong.
i do not want trouble, i am not trying to cause trouble, maybe i should keep my opinions top myself & just read things & say nothing :undecided:
AG never get new buses? All those Scanias in 2010, all those B7RLES in 2012, 50 E200s in 2015 didn't happen then?
Similarly WB didn't get 33 brand new E400s in one go, then batches if E200s then the Platinums for the Dudley Road
Quote from: Tony on January 02, 2024, 10:09:54 PMAG never get new buses? All those Scanias in 2010, all those B7RLES in 2012, 50 E200s in 2015 didn't happen then?
Similarly WB didn't get 33 brand new E400s in one go, then batches if E200s then the Platinums for the Dudley Road
True re the Platinums at WB for the 87, but although AG had the E200MMCs in 2015, that is getting on for 8 yrs ago, so that is possibly the observation. Similar for WA with their Platinums, and similar for WN? I guess AG's E400MMCs were relatively new when they received them but the 4636 batch of Geminis at AG are some of the oldest buses in the fleet now.
Quote from: Tony on January 02, 2024, 10:09:54 PMAG never get new buses? All those Scanias in 2010, all those B7RLES in 2012, 50 E200s in 2015 didn't happen then?
Similarly WB didn't get 33 brand new E400s in one go, then batches if E200s then the Platinums for the Dudley Road
And the Geminis Investing in Sandwell/Black country/Dudley did really put NX on the map and was highly sought after by local authorities.
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on January 02, 2024, 09:11:30 PMyes i did say AG & WB are getting nothing,
They will do, just not yet.
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on January 01, 2024, 08:54:11 PMwhat a surprise AG & WB get nothing - i would have thought the 37 would be an ideal candidate for Electrics, also 80 & 87
37?
Why would the Walsall to Willenhall service need new buses ?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on January 03, 2024, 11:00:04 AM37?
Why would the Walsall to Willenhall service need new buses ?
The 4/4A which used to be the 37
Quote from: Steve3229vp on January 03, 2024, 11:00:04 AM37?
Why would the Walsall to Willenhall service need new buses ?
The buses it currently gets are upgrades on what Thandi ran even with the oldest Omnilinks being 57 plates they have more Seats, more legroom and feel better.
As for the 4/4A shouldn't that get new Double Deckers
To have the Stratford Road/Warwick Road corridor all-electric would be a good win for NX - the pending EVs for YW could convert the 2/3 and boost the 6 and future orders could convert AG 4 and 5.
However, putting timeframes on this is getting more difficult given supply chain issues. I assume EV chargers or their components originate from the Far East and there are now added delays to shipping due to the issues in the Red Sea.
Patience will be needed (and possibly a few more MOTs)
Don't think Electric Deckers would fit under the Robin Hood bridge on the 5 would they?
Quote from: Jack on January 03, 2024, 01:05:33 PMDon't think Electric Deckers would fit under the Robin Hood bridge on the 5 would they?
They would.
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=5676.msg277322#msg277322
Quote from: Jack on January 03, 2024, 01:05:33 PMDon't think Electric Deckers would fit under the Robin Hood bridge on the 5 would they?
Why wouldn't they be able to? How are they any different to any other double decker that gets put on that route without any issues
Quote from: frostjay974 on January 03, 2024, 05:57:15 PMWhy wouldn't they be able to? How are they any different to any other double decker that gets put on that route without any issues
Lots of double decks are banned from that bridge, hence why you never see a Gemini on the 5
Quote from: Tony on January 02, 2024, 10:09:54 PMAG never get new buses? All those Scanias in 2010, all those B7RLES in 2012, 50 E200s in 2015 didn't happen then?
Similarly WB didn't get 33 brand new E400s in one go, then batches if E200s then the Platinums for the Dudley Road
AG got 6701 - 6711 for the X1, 6951 - 6954, 7539 - 7541 (17)
my point being 17 out of the entire new bus in take
WB 6955 - 6959, 6965 - 6994 (33)
so out of the entire in take 50 new vehicles whereas take PB, YW, BC, WA have the lions share, im not offering any other opinions except this is clearly un-balanced i have left CV as that is a different case, as they are required to be all electric
Quote from: Steve3229vp on January 03, 2024, 11:00:04 AM37?
Why would the Walsall to Willenhall service need new buses ?
37 at AG - Solihull / Birmingham (Warwick Rd Corridor)
not WA, sorry for confusion its the daft changes to route numbers
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on January 03, 2024, 06:19:08 PM37 at AG - Solihull / Birmingham (Warwick Rd Corridor)
not WA, sorry for confusion its the daft changes to route numbers
Daft changes, It isn't daft at all.
Before the South Birmingham Changes in 2017 the Stratford Road was 2, 3, 5, 6, 31 and 37.
After the South Birmingham Changes the Stratford Road was 2, 3, 4, 4A, 5 and 6.......there's nothing daft about that!
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on January 03, 2024, 06:15:43 PMAG got 6701 - 6710 for the X1, 6951 - 6954, 7539 - 7541 (16)
my point being 17 out of the entire new bus in take
You're conveniently forgetting that AG now have the entire batch of 15 plate Crimson E400MMC's 6101-6136 & 6138-6148 (47) + they initially had the entire batch of 50 x 15 plate E200MMC's from new & still have 2201-2231 (31) even now.
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on January 03, 2024, 06:15:43 PMAG got 6701 - 6711 for the X1, 6951 - 6954, 7539 - 7541 (17)
my point being 17 out of the entire new bus in take
WB 6955 - 6959, 6965 - 6994 (33)
so out of the entire in take 50 new vehicles whereas take PB, YW, BC, WA have the lions share, im not offering any other opinions except this is clearly un-balanced i have left CV as that is a different case, as they are required to be all electric
Why are you only mentioning Double Decks? Which Lion's share have Walsall had new?
When a garage gets a large batch on new buses (AG got 50 new buses in 2015/6 which was over 1/3 of the entire garage allocation is it no wonder that other garages get deliveries in the next few years?
I believe the Wright Electroliner is 14ft 6 inches, meaning NX may opt for the ADL electrics if AG were to get new buses some time soon. I believe the new ADL electric can fit under the Robin Hood bridge.
Quote from: Ronnoc on January 03, 2024, 06:46:27 PMI believe the Wright Electroliner is 14ft 6 inches, meaning NX may opt for the ADL electrics if AG were to get new buses some time soon. I believe the new ADL electric can fit under the Robin Hood bridge.
More electric buses coming in 2024... and fewer single decks – West Midlands Bus Users (wmbu.org.uk) (https://wmbu.org.uk/2023/12/more-electric-buses-coming-in-2024-and-fewer-single-decks/)
If AG and WN did get wright electroliners. Could we see the 5 move to YW to use the ADL electrics. Save having 2 types at 1 garage.
The current average age order of the garages youngest to oldest is
CV, BC, PN, WA, WN, AG, PB, WB, YW
so not really a surprise that PB & YW are two of the garage expecting new buses
Quote from: frostjay974 on January 03, 2024, 05:57:15 PMWhy wouldn't they be able to? How are they any different to any other double decker that gets put on that route without any issues
The bridge has a height restriction, so it depends on the vehicle height as to whether it can be used on that route.
As Tony pointed out elsewhere, both the E400MMC and E400EV are 14ft 2in high, so are fine for that bridge. Anything higher than 14ft 2in can't be used.
I wonder if the 94/95 will now eventually get new buses after over 20 years now the bus lane is coming? Probably not being at bc ha ha.
I'm curious, what will route branding look like on the new livery. I reckon exactly like the 59 branding on WN tridents.
Though there probably won't be any, but I'm still curious.
I'm sure the 5 always use to have Geminis back before the south Birmingham change happened? What way did the 5 take before the changes?
Quote from: BBS on January 04, 2024, 12:26:44 AMI'm sure the 5 always use to have Geminis back before the south Birmingham change happened? What way did the 5 take before the changes?
Low bridge on Robin Hood Lane (A4040). The route is the same, however the signage was changed. It is now an offence to drive under that bridge unless you're 14ft3 or less. Geminis are 14ft5, although they do physically fit under that bridge. Plaxton Presidents (14ft6?) were also used on the 5, until it was realised that they were getting damaged under that bridge.
E400MMC are 14ft2, so they are legal to pass under the bridge.
Does it still show both the triangle and circle signs, as it did for 6 years?!
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.428915,-1.8551417,3a,75y,97.86h,91.06t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s2cRtazfqtKlgoNp3WG9PnQ!2e0!5s20220801T000000!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu (https://www.google.com/maps/@52.428915,-1.8551417,3a,75y,97.86h,91.06t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s2cRtazfqtKlgoNp3WG9PnQ!2e0!5s20220801T000000!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu)
Someone local needs to check and report it:
https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/info/20110/report_road_and_pavement_issues/720/report_a_traffic_light_sign_or_signal_fault (https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/info/20110/report_road_and_pavement_issues/720/report_a_traffic_light_sign_or_signal_fault)
Quote from: BBS on January 04, 2024, 12:26:44 AMI'm sure the 5 always use to have Geminis back before the south Birmingham change happened? What way did the 5 take before the changes?
Before the bridge restrictions they did, with the restrictions in place, the 5 was allocated ALX400s, then platinums and standard spec E400MMCs
Will there be any new deliveries re plated to **24 *** or will they be licensed and rushed into service for the 24th?
I'm still hoping that NXWM will confirm that they will be ordering other models of ev's than the ADL/BYD for future delivery. Apart from placing all their eggs in one basket Tony will need to rename his site 'West Midlands Bus in 2 Photographs'! A double deck, currently, and at some point in time add a single deck ev.
QuoteWill there be any new deliveries re plated to **24 *** or will they be licensed and rushed into service for the 24th?
24 plates begin on 1st March so plenty of time for the 73 batch to appear, they could all be licensed before then and still appear with 73 plates after the 1st March. Like the streetdecks did in 2021 registered as 21 plates started service in late 2021
And after all the new deliveries, Wolverhampton gets the one actually into service 1st........................A969 out on the road today.
Quote from: BN on January 08, 2024, 04:02:23 PMAnd after all the new deliveries, Wolverhampton gets the one actually into service 1st........................A969 out on the road today.
Pensnetts spare bus
@BN?
Current location of the electrics so far delivered are below. The list has changed today twice, so although that is the position tonight it wasn't earlier.
| PB | BC | WA | WN | PN |
| E170 | E172 | E164 | E165 | E178 |
| E176 | E168 | E166 | E196 |
| E186 | E169 | E167 | E199 |
| E193 | E171 | E174 | E201 |
| E194 | E173 | E177 | E210 |
| E195 | E175 | E179 | E211 |
| E198 | E182 | E180 | E213 |
| E207 | E184 | E181 | E215 |
| E208 | E187 | E183 | E217 |
| E209 | E192 | E185 | |
| E212 | | E188 | |
| | | E189 | |
| | | E190 | |
| | | E197 | |
| | | E200 | |
| | | E202 | |
| | | E203 | |
| | | E204 | |
| | | E205 | |
| | | E206 | |
| | | E214 | |
| | | E216 | |
I've been reliably informed that E188 has had its vinyls applied today. Moreover, it also carries 'first responder' stickers (much like in London & Manchester) above the doors; I presume this'll be the standard on all EVs from here on.
Quote from: CL on January 15, 2024, 03:14:45 PMI've been reliably informed that E188 has had its vinyls applied today. Moreover, it also carries 'first responder' stickers (much like in London & Manchester) above the doors; I presume this'll be the standard on all EVs from here on.
Photo on the main site later
Quote from: CL on January 15, 2024, 03:14:45 PMI've been reliably informed that E188 has had its vinyls applied today. Moreover, it also carries 'first responder' stickers (much like in London & Manchester) above the doors; I presume this'll be the standard on all EVs from here on.
Oh, so that's what the symbols are for! I'd seen them in London for a while, I'd just assumed it was for garage staff to easily identify which kind of bus/fuel type.
Here's E188, just the thin light grey strip below the top deck windows to go on.
NXWM E188 (wmbusphotos.com) (https://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E188.html)
Quote from: Tony on January 15, 2024, 07:12:02 PMHere's E188, just the thin light grey strip below the top deck windows to go on.
NXWM E188 (wmbusphotos.com) (https://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E188.html)
Looks great to be honest.
I'm assuming that route branding is a thing of the past now? Or are there more surprises in store! :azn:
Quote from: Stu on January 15, 2024, 07:33:15 PMLooks great to be honest.
All the 'It's Grey, so it must be awful' people will be along soon, surprised they haven't commented on the Facebook photo yet, every other photo I have put on has attracted them.
Until they settle down the problem with route branding electrics is the running boards tend to not have the same bus on the same route all day
QuoteLooks great to be honest.
I'm assuming that route branding is a thing of the past now? Or are there more surprises in store! :azn:
That red really attracts the eye a lot more than the Coventry blue does
Has anyone else noticed that the red/blue stripe on the electric buses slightly curve just above the wheels but on any other regular bus the stripe is fully straight?
Will the electric warning signs be added to cvs buses in due course?
Quote from: Tony on January 15, 2024, 07:39:50 PMAll the 'It's Grey, so it must be awful' people will be along soon, surprised they haven't commented on the Facebook photo yet, every other photo I have put on has attracted them.
Until they settle down the problem with route branding electrics is the running boards tend to not have the same bus on the same route all day
I must admit, I travelled on one of the 'Zenobes' the other week before Christmas, and thought that the use of the red on the grab rails certainly helped 'liven up' the interior. I haven't travelled on any of Coventry's yet, but I can see from your photos that theirs are also red inside, which sort of contrasts with the sky-blue vinyl stylings on the exterior.
Having said that though, after travelling on a couple of the ex-Coventry E400s at WB and YW, their blue grab-poles don't really bother me that much.
I've done some graphic design work in the past, and while grey might seem to many as 'boring', it does allow for some interesting combinations of colour for 'accents'.
Quote from: Tony on January 15, 2024, 07:39:50 PMAll the 'It's Grey, so it must be awful' people will be along soon, surprised they haven't commented on the Facebook photo yet, every other photo I have put on has attracted them.
Until they settle down the problem with route branding electrics is the running boards tend to not have the same bus on the same route all day
I don't have a problem with the grey livery, it's a good base for adding vinyls of any colour. It amazes me that you hear complaints about the 'It's Grey, so it must be awful' brigade but hardly any complaints (in comparison) about any of the liveries that had white as a base colour which let's face went grubby in no time at all.
Quote from: Tony on January 15, 2024, 07:12:02 PMHere's E188, just the thin light grey strip below the top deck windows to go on.
NXWM E188 (wmbusphotos.com) (https://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/E001/E188.html)
That really suits, nice photo tony
Quote from: Steve3229vp on January 15, 2024, 09:00:03 PMI don't have a problem with the grey livery, it's a good base for adding vinyls of any colour. It amazes me that you hear complaints about the 'It's Grey, so it must be awful' brigade but hardly any complaints (in comparison) about any of the liveries that had white as a base colour which let's face went grubby in no time at all.
The colour isn't the problem. The original platinum livery with its colour branded variants along with the first electrics and hydrogens are very smart.
But a grey version of the awful red and white layout just looks as uninspired.
There also late 80s grey Fleetline "we're just gonna paint around the adverts" vibes.
Understandably you can save a couple of quid per bus in not applying that bit of vinyl, but there seems to be quite a few buses without adverts at the moment and when they're not applied to the new grey livery, it just looks kinda cheap.
So no, it's not about complaining it's grey.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on January 15, 2024, 09:00:03 PMI don't have a problem with the grey livery, it's a good base for adding vinyls of any colour. It amazes me that you hear complaints about the 'It's Grey, so it must be awful' brigade but hardly any complaints (in comparison) about any of the liveries that had white as a base colour which let's face went grubby in no time at all.
Blackpool uses grey on their buses and that seems to be well liked.
I believe the problem with the current NX livery is that it just seems a bit lazy and uninspired compared to the crimson livery and the platinum livery. In an ideal world NX would of carried on with the crimson livery for the electrics
Quote from: Lukeee on January 15, 2024, 09:47:16 PMBlackpool uses grey on their buses and that seems to be well liked.
I believe the problem with the current NX livery is that it just seems a bit lazy and uninspired compared to the crimson livery and the platinum livery. In an ideal world NX would of carried on with the crimson livery for the electrics
Well that wasn't going to happen anyway, as Electrics are basically platinum spec
Quote from: CL on January 15, 2024, 03:14:45 PMI've been reliably informed that E188 has had its vinyls applied today. Moreover, it also carries 'first responder' stickers (much like in London & Manchester) above the doors; I presume this'll be the standard on all EVs from here on.
Wonder if now the rest of the fleet will receive the stickers seeing how every bus in London and the repainted bee network buses now have them electric diesel or hybrid (and hydrogen)
Quote from: BBS on January 15, 2024, 07:44:02 PMThat red really attracts the eye a lot more than the Coventry blue does
i find the opposite
Can we talk about how comfortable the seats are? They appear to be a bit more reclined than the standard platinum seats, makes for a very pleasant ride
An electric was out and about on Handsworth Wood road this morning circa 08:30. Assume this was for driver familiarisation. No fleet branding or fleet number so unable to ID.
Most likely E165 or E170.
Quote from: wmacb13 on January 17, 2024, 12:52:34 PMAn electric was out and about on Handsworth Wood road this morning circa 08:30. Assume this was for driver familiarisation. No fleet branding or fleet number so unable to ID.
Most likely E165 or E170.
That'll be E165. E144 had been down here for driver training the past two days, but had left this morning.
E170 has been parked up for a while.
Has the 2 tone grey been replaced by a single shade of grey now?
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on January 17, 2024, 02:06:17 PMHas the 2 tone grey been replaced by a single shade of grey now?
I don't think so, I think only electric buses in the single tone grey is the zenobe buses like Z4001, Z4006 and Z4007 which have been vinaled to make them look more part of the fleet, but still a couple zenobe buses not branded up
4772 I seen on the 80 is only one tone grey I thought they was two tone grey for the new livery.
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on January 17, 2024, 02:06:17 PMHas the 2 tone grey been replaced by a single shade of grey now?
I've seen one 4834, 4842, ex CV 488* (dark grey) and 4983 (light grey) in one tone
Couple of questions:
What's the reasoning behind some of the repaints being done in a single shade of grey - livery experimentation, running low on one shade of paint(!)?
The diagonal red vinyls on the newly delivered electrics - is this now a single block of red (as opposed to being 2 shades of narrow red stripes on the repaints)? It's hard to tell from the pictures.
Quote from: Mike K on January 18, 2024, 08:04:09 AMCouple of questions:
What's the reasoning behind some of the repaints being done in a single shade of grey - livery experimentation, running low on one shade of paint(!)?
The diagonal red vinyls on the newly delivered electrics - is this now a single block of red (as opposed to being 2 shades of narrow red stripes on the repaints)? It's hard to tell from the pictures.
I think I saw on here that older vehicles (pre-09 plates at a guess) will be getting just one shade of grey as they don't have much time left with the new electrics coming, whereas newer vehicles will be getting two shades.
Just got on 6756 in Birmingham and as it pulled into carrs lane I noticed it's got new branding. It now carry's £4.50 day saver branding.
Quote from: Danthebusman on January 18, 2024, 08:25:41 AMI think I saw on here that older vehicles (pre-09 plates at a guess) will be getting just one shade of grey as they don't have much time left with the new electrics coming, whereas newer vehicles will be getting two shades.
Thanks - however the likes of 4832 and 4983 are newer than 09 but seem to be in a single colour but older 57 plate ones such as 4768 are 2 tone. It's strange.
I have just looked at pictures on Tony's site and 4832 looks like it has two tone grey, maybe the lighting doesn't help
Quote from: BK63 YWP on January 18, 2024, 01:35:04 PMI have just looked at pictures on Tony's site and 4832 looks like it has two tone grey, maybe the lighting doesn't help
Sorry that was my mistake, meant 4834
liveries then, from new to 10 years old a full current livery etc then from 10 years old a simpler livery could be applied with good use of viynl's, what are your thoughts folks
But
Quote from: Tony on January 15, 2024, 09:50:40 PMWell that wasn't going to happen anyway, as Electrics are basically platinum spec
if everything is the same colour unless your in the know, Platinums no longer stand out, Phone Charging never works (or discontinued) Wi-Fi discontinued the things that made The Platinums different, all buses look the same once more, very battered too, the ordinary Joe doesnt look to see if the bus is Hydrogen / Electric / Platinum or whatever, all buses are going Grey so the must be the same - ask my sister
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on January 18, 2024, 04:39:19 PMPhone Charging never works (or discontinued)
Still works on some BC vehicles. The blue light is on, when they're working I think.
Quote from: 2206 on January 18, 2024, 10:44:51 PMStill works on some BC vehicles. The blue light is on, when they're working I think.
One dude on my 87 yesterday (6977) kept moving around seats to find a working port to charge his phone. That being said, he was blowing into his phone's mini-usb socket, so the problem could've been his phone
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on January 18, 2024, 04:39:19 PMBut if everything is the same colour unless your in the know, Platinums no longer stand out, Phone Charging never works (or discontinued) Wi-Fi discontinued the things that made The Platinums different, all buses look the same once more, very battered too, the ordinary Joe doesnt look to see if the bus is Hydrogen / Electric / Platinum or whatever, all buses are going Grey so the must be the same - ask my sister
The 'ordinary Joe' just wants to get on a bus, Wifi was just an extra, USB ports will become the norm on all transport eventually. Platinum doesn't need to stand out anymore as all new buses will be the Platinum spec and the name Platinum will disappear as it will no longer be needed.
The Blue Light is on when the USB Charging points are working or on. A lot of the issue is that people break them or steal them. A few of the WN Plattys I have often felt something dangling around my feet and looked to see if my laces had come undone only to find the cables to the USB Charger dangling under the Seats as someone nicked them.
Current location of all the 53 so far delivered electrics. It has changed considerably since I last posted
| PB | BC | WA | WN | PN |
| E167 | E165 | E171 | E164 | E178 |
| E170 | E172 | E173 | E166 | E196 |
| E176 | E179 | E168 | E199 |
| E186 | E188 | E169 | E201 |
| E200 | E192 | E174 | E209 |
| E203 | E193 | E175 | E210 |
| E204 | E194 | E177 | E213 |
| E205 | E195 | E180 | E216 |
| E212 | E202 | E181 | E217 |
| E215 | E214 | E182 | |
| | | E183 | |
| | | E184 | |
| | | E185 | |
| | | E187 | |
| | | E189 | |
| | | E190 | |
| | | E197 | |
| | | E198 | |
| | | E206 | |
| | | E207 | |
| | | E208 | |
| | | E211 | |
The two lightning bolts that are on either side of the destination display on the new electric vehicles don't seem to be reflective anymore. Why's that?
Quote from: frostjay974 on January 19, 2024, 06:56:07 PMThe two lightning bolts that are on either side of the destination display on the new electric vehicles don't seem to be reflective anymore. Why's that?
Grey is cheaper than silver and they now match the stripes
Quote from: Tony on January 19, 2024, 06:52:11 PMCurrent location of all the 53 so far delivered electrics. It has changed considerably since I last posted
| PB | BC | WA | WN | PN |
| E167 | E165 | E171 | E164 | E178 |
| E170 | E172 | E173 | E166 | E196 |
| E176 | E179 | E168 | E199 |
| E186 | E188 | E169 | E201 |
| E200 | E192 | E174 | E209 |
| E203 | E193 | E175 | E210 |
| E204 | E194 | E177 | E213 |
| E205 | E195 | E180 | E216 |
| E212 | E202 | E181 | E217 |
| E215 | E214 | E182 | |
| | | E183 | |
| | | E184 | |
| | | E185 | |
| | | E187 | |
| | | E189 | |
| | | E190 | |
| | | E197 | |
| | | E198 | |
| | | E206 | |
| | | E207 | |
| | | E208 | |
| | | E211 | |
Just missed you yesterday, I was in the Lucketts minibus.
Quote from: Wba_lad on January 17, 2024, 04:00:56 PM4772 I seen on the 80 is only one tone grey I thought they was two tone grey for the new livery.
seen 4772 in the garage this morning its a single shade of dark grey now.
if repaints have gone to a single shade all over should be quicker to get refurbs done and more cost effective too.
The new spray paint booths at Walsall do they bake the paint as well? or are they just of the extractor variety, if so that's a lot of gas, either way paint booths not cheap run or maintain
Quote from: 2900 on January 20, 2024, 03:11:48 PMseen 4772 in the garage this morning its a single shade of dark grey now.
if repaints have gone to a single shade all over should be quicker to get refurbs done and more cost effective too.
The new spray paint booths at Walsall do they bake the paint as well? or are they just of the extractor variety, if so that's a lot of gas, either way paint booths not cheap run or maintain
Yes, the paint is baked, so yes each coat of paint is expensive to apply
Will YW's handful of red and white 47xx get a quick repaint or are they deemed too old? Some of them look really shabby and battered.
QuoteWill YW's handful of red and white 47xx get a quick repaint or are they deemed too old? Some of them look really shabby and battered.
Tony said only E400 below 4880 that are blue were being repainted
Quote from: BBS on January 20, 2024, 11:14:35 PMTony said only E400 below 4880 that are blue were being repainted
* getting a internal refurb.
But judging from the fact the first nxwm red&white to be refurbished is 4940, may be a sign anything crimson e400 (painted and refurbed in 2018,19) will be least priority. And 4941-4981 will be done after cov blue. Then mmcs
You've got to consider vehicle age, how long batch long has had/ been without refurb.
I'd say e400 painted in 2015 wouldn't be worth bothering unless it is that bad
Quote from: BBS on January 20, 2024, 11:14:35 PMTony said only E400 below 4880 that are blue were being repainted
Yes, I was aware of that but messy crimson 4762 is being repainted after an all over ad was removed and repaints will be cheaper using one shade of grey. Older vehicles may be in service longer than was thought given the delays in rolling out electrics. Hence my question.
I doubt any E400S will get painted now other than the ex Coventry ones with the amount of new vehicles coming in apart from anything that looks rough or had adverts removed IE 4908/13/46
Apparently NX won't be buying any new electric single deck vehicles is this true?
Quote from: frostjay974 on January 21, 2024, 01:14:08 PMApparently NX won't be buying any electric new single deck vehicles how true is that?
Doubt that's true as what's going to go on routes that can't have double decker on
Quote from: frostjay974 on January 21, 2024, 01:14:08 PMApparently NX won't be buying any new electric single deck vehicles is this true?
And where have you heard this?
lol
Quote from: Stu on January 21, 2024, 01:21:06 PMAnd where have you heard this?
No more demos sorry
Will all the old west midland bus red liveries be got rid of for grey ?
Quote from: karl724223 on January 21, 2024, 01:51:24 PMWill all the old west midland bus red liveries be got rid of for grey ?
I heard they were all going to be coloured in pink and yellow polka dots, so surely that's going to happen.
Quote from: frostjay974 on January 21, 2024, 01:14:08 PMApparently NX won't be buying any new electric single deck vehicles is this true?
2nd stupid rumour of the day.
Is someone typing them in their bedroom this morning.
Quote from: Tony on January 21, 2024, 04:03:35 PM2nd stupid rumour of the day.
Is someone typing them in their bedroom this morning.
They must be bored
Quote from: cris 99 on January 21, 2024, 09:44:14 AMI doubt any E400S will get painted now other than the ex Coventry ones with the amount of new vehicles coming in apart from anything that looks rough or had adverts removed IE 4908/13/46
Quote from: karl724223 on January 21, 2024, 01:51:24 PMWill all the old west midland bus red liveries be got rid of for grey ?
My understanding was that only vehicles expected to still be in service for another five years (from 2023) would get the grey repaint.
That takes us up to 2028. NX have set themselves a target of having a 100% zero emission fleet by 2030.
With the Eclipse 2 B7RLEs getting the grey treatment, that tells me the single decks will be the last to be replaced.
The earliest E400s won't last until 2028 I would imagine, though they've still got another few years left in them.
Quote from: frostjay974 on January 21, 2024, 01:41:21 PMNo more demos sorry
Changed silly rumour, but one is expected shortly
Quote from: Stu on January 21, 2024, 04:21:15 PMMy understanding was that only vehicles expected to still be in service for another five years (from 2023) would get the grey repaint.
That takes us up to 2028. NX have set themselves a target of having a 100% zero emission fleet by 2030.
With the Eclipse 2 B7RLEs getting the grey treatment, that tells me the single decks will be the last to be replaced.
The earliest E400s won't last until 2028 I would imagine, though they've still got another few years left in them.
I thought the 4881 onwards vehicles were planned to get a refurb whereas the earlier E400s just a repaint (hence the 4830-4842 and 4763-4776 repaints).
I'd at least hope they'd be repainting and refurbing the Red/White 49** E400's (as well as 4899). The state of some of those are awful.
If you go by how old the interior is (4880 and newer) the crimson e400s aren't really due for refurbs.
The red&white 49** are dire inside and out.
Early mmcs don't look so bad, but do need attention.
The re-branding on suttons and cov road lines look a cheap tacky patch up job. Look worse then WA & AG mmc
4951 has the newest interior out of all the Red and White E400's as it has the Crimson Interior after suffering an Arson attack on the 48 in Weoley Castle A couple of years ago, also from memory 4968 when I saw that in Wolverhampton Bus Station after doing an X8 looked really smart in Red and White. Some WB ones do need a refurb but a lot are still quite smart.
My sister has been telling me she's seen the new electrics run down parts of the 16 route, lozells and handsworth wood road specifically, she couldn't give me a fleet number though. been doing so for multiple days
I saw o
Quote from: jasmine on January 22, 2024, 05:16:17 PMMy sister has been telling me she's seen the new electrics run down parts of the 16 route, lozells and handsworth wood road specifically, she couldn't give me a fleet number though. been doing so for multiple days
I saw one yesterday morning in Hampstead Village, going in the B'ham direction. Must have been about 0930
It's the standard driver training route for PB garage, each driver goes Perry Barr to Scott Arms down the 16 route to the city centre and back to Perry Barr.
It was E165 today will be E167 tomorrow
Quote from: Tony on January 22, 2024, 05:44:43 PMIt's the standard driver training route for PB garage, each driver goes Perry Barr to Scott Arms down the 16 route to the city centre and back to Perry Barr.
It was E165 today will be E167 tomorrow
any reason why its the 16? efficiency? not too long not too short? a good city loop? sharp weird turns like newton road and handsworth wood park gates?
Quote from: jasmine on January 22, 2024, 06:58:35 PMany reason why its the 16? efficiency? not too long not too short? a good city loop? sharp weird turns like newton road and handsworth wood park gates?
Just the garage Driver trainer likes that circuit
There's a red/white 4900 in W/B garages bodywork bay possibly the first W/B deck'er from new to get the full refurb in years i believe, quite exstensive re'planeling from what i,ve seen
Quote from: Stu on January 21, 2024, 04:21:15 PMMy understanding was that only vehicles expected to still be in service for another five years (from 2023) would get the grey repaint.
That takes us up to 2028. NX have set themselves a target of having a 100% zero emission fleet by 2030.
With the Eclipse 2 B7RLEs getting the grey treatment, that tells me the single decks will be the last to be replaced.
The earliest E400s won't last until 2028 I would imagine, though they've still got another few years left in them.
What even happened to TFWM's plan to have all trains, trams and buses into the TFWM livery.
it seemed pretty smart tbf
Quote from: LD713821 on January 23, 2024, 10:35:11 PMWhat even happened to TFWM's plan to have all trains, trams and buses into the TFWM livery.
it seemed pretty smart tbf
The Trams are some 172's are and some Buses are on the old Partnership Routes, presumably for the Buses they planned to make routes like the 4's, 16 and others Partnership between NX and Diamond but as it wasn't working they idea was scrapped so they abandoned that idea. So Now NX and Diamond have Buses floating around in the WMB Partnership livery that are now pointless. I think the 31 and 32 still have some sort of agreement, the 40 I'm not sure, the 42 is now Diamond and the 43 now NX so that one has been scrapped. They both operate the 40 but I'm not sure if it is still a Partnership anymore. I guess this new Nbus makes all Operators Partners within reason
I don't see why some people keep up the complaints on the new livery. If you look at the 2021 hydroliners, and early 2020 electrics you can see that there is only 2 shades of grey anyway. The darker shade doesn't really stand out as there's so little of it.
Plus the new livery (on the electrics) is complimented by more vinyl under the windows that does look like the platinum 'tick' 'swoosh' altered. So imo is kind of like the last two livery's combined.
The repaints/ refurbs haven't had the extra vinyl to compliment which is why they look more boring.
I think the reason the livery is changed so often is adapting to new vehicles body. What suits some don't suit others.
One thing I can't work out from any of the new photos is if the red stripe is solid red (which it looks) or if it's the same two tone as all the repaints and Cov blue.
Quote from: Gareth on February 05, 2024, 10:14:55 AMOne thing I can't work out from any of the new photos is if the red stripe is solid red (which it looks) or if it's the same two tone as all the repaints and Cov blue.
Looks to be solid red from photos iv seen
Quote from: Gareth on February 05, 2024, 10:14:55 AMOne thing I can't work out from any of the new photos is if the red stripe is solid red (which it looks) or if it's the same two tone as all the repaints and Cov blue.
solid
Given that there is just over a day left of the 73 registration and E218 - E243 haven't yet been delivered will they carry the 24 plate instead?
QuoteGiven that there is just over a day left of the 73 registration and E218 - E243 haven't yet been delivered will they carry the 24 plate instead?
Quite a few of the 50 new buses that have been delivered haven't been registered so will be re-registered as 24 plates
Is 4908 a recent repaint as from the photo loaded tonight there's quite a few bit of the old red livery showing on the front, roof and under drivers side window
Quote from: Mayfield on March 13, 2024, 09:46:52 PMIs 4908 a recent repaint as from the photo loaded tonight there's quite a few bit of the old red livery showing on the front, roof and under drivers side window
It's a wrap
Just seen 4946 in wrap pass me on the 63. Does not look any better than in pictures. I know it's temporary and I'd rather see a grey wrap than battered red+white/crimson paint but it looks awful.
Quote from: TGZac on March 19, 2024, 03:53:32 PMJust seen 4946 in wrap pass me on the 63. Does not look any better than in pictures. I know it's temporary and I'd rather see a grey wrap than battered red+white/crimson paint but it looks awful.
Totally agree its awful saw it yesterday on Smallbrook Queensway as bad as the red/white wraps back in day
Quote from: 2900 on March 31, 2024, 10:15:14 AMTotally agree its awful saw it yesterday on Smallbrook Queensway as bad as the red/white wraps back in day
because nx clearly care about how the bus looks so much to the point they've put it in a temporary wrap, but it doesn't make sense to not go the full 9 yards. and I don't mean do the best wrap you've ever seen but it could at least be better than what they did
Quote from: jasmine on March 31, 2024, 11:06:06 AMbecause nx clearly care about how the bus looks so much to the point they've put it in a temporary wrap, but it doesn't make sense to not go the full 9 yards. and I don't mean do the best wrap you've ever seen but it could at least be better than what they did
So what would you have done better? This was paid for by Global who only needed to return the bus to the condition it was in when the advert was applied, which was appalling red & white.
Obviously you take the bus off the road and meticulously repaint it by hand for the desired effect. Better to keep an ugly bus off the road and put a single decker out in its place instead of serving the passengers.
(If you can't tell the above is written sarcastically)
Quote from: jasmine on March 31, 2024, 11:06:06 AMbecause nx clearly care about how the bus looks so much to the point they've put it in a temporary wrap, but it doesn't make sense to not go the full 9 yards. and I don't mean do the best wrap you've ever seen but it could at least be better than what they did
Again, this goes back to the 4801 debate and what is/isn't contractually required and having it recognisable as an NX bus.
I don't see the same levels of criticism being levied at the smaller operators that press any old bus into service, regardless of its aesthetic or mechanical state.
Quote from: Wumpty on April 01, 2024, 09:04:46 AMAgain, this goes back to the 4801 debate and what is/isn't contractually required and having it recognisable as an NX bus.
I don't see the same levels of criticism being levied at the smaller operators that press any old bus into service, regardless of its aesthetic or mechanical state.
because they are smaller operators as you said which likely cannot afford it unlike nxwm which have a huge monopoly over the west midlands area (literally 93% of services) and bring in record profits year over year (197.3 million in 2023)
i don't know but to me it just makes sense to maybe put an ounce of care into how your equipment looks when its being used on 93% of the west midlands's bus services.
Quote from: jasmine on April 01, 2024, 03:44:31 PMbecause they are smaller operators as you said which likely cannot afford it unlike nxwm which have a huge monopoly over the west midlands area (literally 93% of services) and bring in record profits year over year (197.3 million in 2023)
i don't know but to me it just makes sense to maybe put an ounce of care into how your equipment looks when its being used on 93% of the west midlands's bus services.
NXWM did not make record profits of £197.3 Million in 2023 at all, that was the profit for the entire NX Group (now known as Mobico Group).
Quote from: jasmine on April 01, 2024, 03:44:31 PMbecause they are smaller operators as you said which likely cannot afford it unlike nxwm which have a huge monopoly over the west midlands area (literally 93% of services) and bring in record profits year over year (197.3 million in 2023)
i don't know but to me it just makes sense to maybe put an ounce of care into how your equipment looks when its being used on 93% of the west midlands's bus services.
National Express West Midlands made a loss in 2023 without the government subsidy, a subsidy which is to be used on providing a service.
Not sure how 93% is a monopoly either.
Quote from: jasmine on April 01, 2024, 03:44:31 PMbecause they are smaller operators as you said which likely cannot afford it unlike nxwm which have a huge monopoly over the west midlands area (literally 93% of services) and bring in record profits year over year (197.3 million in 2023)
i don't know but to me it just makes sense to maybe put an ounce of care into how your equipment looks when its being used on 93% of the west midlands's bus services.
Smaller operators usually have lower overheads, a smaller fleet, lower wages and greater control over their budgets, meaning they'd probably have a greater ability to control how their fleet looks.
I've worked for small and large bus companies and can assure you that it's easier to effect change, conditions and liveries/appearance of a fleet in a smaller company than it is at a larger one.
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@winston has already clarified, NX Bus don't make the levels of profit that you claim it does - hence why livery restoration clauses are negotiated with advertising companies when full wraps are removed to keep the costs to NX Bus down.
NX have inherited their "93% monopoly" post deregulation, mergers and acquisitions and by investing heavily in services and their fleet - every company that has gone into competition against NX Bus have seen how difficult it is to invest and maintain the levels that NX Bus have across all areas of service provision.
What's even more complex is the evolution of the liveries and complexities of each one, and I think NX do a damned good job at maintaining each one and ensure the passengers can tell which one of the plethora of operators is an NX bus from a distance.