City Centre emissions rule

[Kevin]

Chance anyone could clarify what appears to me to be a bit of a grey area regarding the use of older buses in the city centre?

basically, the way I understand it is if a service is more than 3 tines per hour then it needs to use compliant buses. But what about evenings or Sundays when the service is reduced? Equally the other way round, if a service is normally every 20/30 mins but in peak hours has more buses (eg, the 936, X51, sure there's more than that) could it get away with non compliant buses during the peak hours?

[Steveminor]

It is based on what the PVR for the route is & if a service has 3 departures or more per hour pvr then it it needs to be compliant even if the company ran a night service.

[Stu]

Is it also down to PVR for combined services on the same VOSA registration?

For example, the 31 and 31A are both on the same service registration, and between them provide 4 buses an hour (every 15 mins combined), so Presidents can't be used, although each service is every 30 minutes. Same for the 127/128/129, while each are 30mins frequency, all are combined on the same registration with a 10min frequency. And the 83 and 89, while providing a combined 15min frequency, are on separate registrations, and don't fall foul.

[uniquicity]

Is it also down to PVR for combined services on the same VOSA registration?

For example, the 31 and 31A are both on the same service registration, and between them provide 4 buses an hour (every 15 mins combined), so Presidents can't be used, although each service is every 30 minutes. Same for the 127/128/129, while each are 30mins frequency, all are combined on the same registration with a 10min frequency. And the 83 and 89, while providing a combined 15min frequency, are on separate registrations, and don't fall foul.

Which registration is the 83 on? 89 is PD0001111/132, can't find one for the 83...

[winston]

Is it also down to PVR for combined services on the same VOSA registration?

For example, the 31 and 31A are both on the same service registration, and between them provide 4 buses an hour (every 15 mins combined), so Presidents can't be used, although each service is every 30 minutes. Same for the 127/128/129, while each are 30mins frequency, all are combined on the same registration with a 10min frequency. And the 83 and 89, while providing a combined 15min frequency, are on separate registrations, and don't fall foul.

Which registration is the 83 on? 89 is PD0001111/132, can't find one for the 83...

Is it on the 129?

[Stuharris 6360]

Is it also down to PVR for combined services on the same VOSA registration?

For example, the 31 and 31A are both on the same service registration, and between them provide 4 buses an hour (every 15 mins combined), so Presidents can't be used, although each service is every 30 minutes. Same for the 127/128/129, while each are 30mins frequency, all are combined on the same registration with a 10min frequency. And the 83 and 89, while providing a combined 15min frequency, are on separate registrations, and don't fall foul.

Which registration is the 83 on? 89 is PD0001111/132, can't find one for the 83...

Is it on the 129?

so if the 83 registration is on the 129, doesn't that mean the 83 falls foul of the emissions rule??

[Steveminor]

I think stu meant the 89 doesnt fall foul

[Stu]

The 83 service doesn't appear to be registered with VOSA  ::)

The 127, 128 and 129 are on one registration:
http://www.tan.gov.uk/tanen/vosa_selfservicebusroutesview.asp?txtLicenceId=73431&txtLicenceNo=PD0001111&cboRegNoFilter=PD0001111/126

The 89 is on the 'old' 88 registration:
http://www.tan.gov.uk/tanen/vosa_selfservicebusroutesview.asp?txtLicenceId=73431&txtLicenceNo=PD0001111&cboRegNoFilter=PD0001111/132

[Steveminor]

Sometimes vosa do slip up & don't update their on line servers with all the registrations I've seen it before & unless the operator questions why they can't see their registration on line it doesn't get corrected