Start with new tread :-) Similar does other garage about tread.
PB got 1866-1871/1874-1877 at now moment.
1480 has been withdrawn? but today 1480 hasn't service yet!
Perry Barr also has solo 277, being used in the University car park as a sales bus
1460 now withdrawn? Shown as tax expired on VOSA
Quote from: 6013 on July 22, 2013, 09:41:22 PM
PB got 1866-1871/1874-1877 at now moment.
1480 has been withdrawn? but today 1480 hasn't service yet!
I saw 1865 on the 28 on Friday as well
Quote from: uniquicity on July 22, 2013, 09:47:11 PM
1460 now withdrawn? Shown as tax expired on VOSA
More likely.... Just When 15 Scanias completed transferred to PB from CV that 15 B10L will removed from PB garage amd start to withdrawn.
Quote from: 6013 on July 22, 2013, 10:40:35 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on July 22, 2013, 09:47:11 PM
1460 now withdrawn? Shown as tax expired on VOSA
More likely.... Just When 15 Scanias completed transferred to PB from CV that 15 B10L will removed from PB garage amd start to withdrawn.
PB didn't have 15 x B10L even before they started receiving NXC Omnilinks. Which makes me think some could still end up at either WA or YW?
Okay, who's going to set up a Bordesley thread? And a Yarlwood one?
Quote from: Mike K on July 22, 2013, 10:46:07 PM
Okay, who's going to set up a Bordesley thread? And a Yarlwood one?
Even more threads for us all to check thru..... :o
Quote from: Mike K on July 22, 2013, 10:46:07 PM
Okay, who's going to set up a Bordesley thread? And a Yarlwood one?
To save opening the Yarlwood one I'll ask if 4754, 4759 and 4761 are branded here ;)
Quote from: uniquicity on July 22, 2013, 10:51:03 PM
Quote from: Mike K on July 22, 2013, 10:46:07 PM
Okay, who's going to set up a Bordesley thread? And a Yarlwood one?
To save opening the Yarlwood one I'll ask if 4754, 4759 and 4761 are branded here ;)
Pete, that question should be in the branding thread :P
Quote from: Winston on July 22, 2013, 10:53:13 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on July 22, 2013, 10:51:03 PM
Quote from: Mike K on July 22, 2013, 10:46:07 PM
Okay, who's going to set up a Bordesley thread? And a Yarlwood one?
To save opening the Yarlwood one I'll ask if 4754, 4759 and 4761 are branded here ;)
Pete, that question should be in the branding thread :P
You don't get anywhere in life without breaking the rules sometimes ;)
I would like to see 1905-7 return to Walsall to complete the set of 09 reg omnilinks.
Quote from: Ash on July 22, 2013, 11:28:53 PM
I would like to see 1905-7 return to Walsall to complete the set of 09 reg omnilinks.
Those 3 could also be moved to YW to allow the numbers of remaining B10L to be reduced
Quote from: Winston on July 22, 2013, 11:32:34 PM
Quote from: Ash on July 22, 2013, 11:28:53 PM
I would like to see 1905-7 return to Walsall to complete the set of 09 reg omnilinks.
Those 3 could also be moved to YW to allow the numbers of remaining B10L to be reduced
The only reason I say Walsall is due to the 4/301/311/313 not being 100% omnilink operated daily today there were several b7rle on the 4 and I saw 673 on the 313.
Quote from: Ash on July 22, 2013, 11:34:18 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 22, 2013, 11:32:34 PM
Quote from: Ash on July 22, 2013, 11:28:53 PM
I would like to see 1905-7 return to Walsall to complete the set of 09 reg omnilinks.
Those 3 could also be moved to YW to allow the numbers of remaining B10L to be reduced
The only reason I say Walsall is due to the 4/301/311/313 not being 100% omnilink operated daily today there were several b7rle on the 4 and I saw 673 on the 313.
WA also have a large fleet of B10L that need to be replaced, so your scenario is also possible
Quote from: Ash on July 22, 2013, 11:34:18 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 22, 2013, 11:32:34 PM
Quote from: Ash on July 22, 2013, 11:28:53 PM
I would like to see 1905-7 return to Walsall to complete the set of 09 reg omnilinks.
Those 3 could also be moved to YW to allow the numbers of remaining B10L to be reduced
The only reason I say Walsall is due to the 4/301/311/313 not being 100% omnilink operated daily today there were several b7rle on the 4 and I saw 673 on the 313.
1750-311
1757-313
1779-4
The majority of B10L especially EX-AG examples did not get refurbished until 2009-2010 so hopefully will last until 2015. While this is still elderly Mercs not refurbed since 1999
1672 example
Quote from: 6013 on July 22, 2013, 09:41:22 PM
PB got 1866-1871/1874-1877 at now moment.
1480 has been withdrawn? but today 1480 hasn't service yet!
Got my last picture of 1480 yesterday
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2013, 09:42:33 PM
Perry Barr also has solo 277, being used in the University car park as a sales bus
Was that the one I saw on Midlands Today last night ?
Quote from: lynx1103 on July 23, 2013, 06:47:26 AM
The majority of B10L especially EX-AG examples did not get refurbished until 2009-2010 so hopefully will last until 2015. While this is still elderly Mercs not refurbed since 1999
1672 example
Those remaining at WA are all in good nick, however with all the new buses due I don't think they will last through to 2015. I believe Dundee will be replacing all their remaining B10L before the end of this year with includes 7127-9
Quote from: NathanJC on July 23, 2013, 08:57:33 AM
Quote from: 6013 on July 22, 2013, 09:41:22 PM
PB got 1866-1871/1874-1877 at now moment.
1480 has been withdrawn? but today 1480 hasn't service yet!
Got my last picture of 1480 yesterday
No! I means 1480 hasn't service last Sunday, Last Monday and today! Where is picture? Can u give me to link.
Quote from: 6013 on July 23, 2013, 09:28:42 AM
Quote from: NathanJC on July 23, 2013, 08:57:33 AM
Quote from: 6013 on July 22, 2013, 09:41:22 PM
PB got 1866-1871/1874-1877 at now moment.
1480 has been withdrawn? but today 1480 hasn't service yet!
Got my last picture of 1480 yesterday
No! I means 1480 hasn't service last Sunday, Last Monday and today! Where is picture? Can u give me to link.
1480 at Perry Barr
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9343869671/
PB1480 looks rather sad there. It had been on borrowed time for a while though.
1480 could be in best condition bodywork. So might be last to be withdrawn.
Why withdraw it just because in TWM Livery.
Update of PB scanias.
1865-1871 & 1873-1877 = 12 Scanias at PB.
Coventry still got on 1863, 1864, and 1872 still working in Coventry around. Last Monday, 1863 was working on the 20's as well.
They should neatly circumscribe the activities of the last few B10Ls then.
Farewell to wind-up roller blinds at PB, except the last few Solos.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on July 25, 2013, 03:09:19 PM
They should neatly circumscribe the activities of the last few B10Ls then.
Farewell to wind-up roller blinds at PB, except the last few Solos.
I think PB only had 13 x B10L left prior to the NXC Omnilinks arriving, I'm wondering if 1863 & 1864 might go to WA?
Are PB solo's to be withdrawn at Some point?
Quote from: Winston on July 25, 2013, 03:11:20 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on July 25, 2013, 03:09:19 PM
They should neatly circumscribe the activities of the last few B10Ls then.
Farewell to wind-up roller blinds at PB, except the last few Solos.
I think PB only had 13 x B10L left prior to the NXC Omnilinks arriving, I'm wondering if 1863 & 1864 might go to WA?
They have lost 1836 as well
Quote from: NathanJC on July 28, 2013, 09:47:14 PM
Are PB solo's to be withdrawn at Some point?
Obviously
Quote from: Tony on July 28, 2013, 10:10:44 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 25, 2013, 03:11:20 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on July 25, 2013, 03:09:19 PM
They should neatly circumscribe the activities of the last few B10Ls then.
Farewell to wind-up roller blinds at PB, except the last few Solos.
I think PB only had 13 x B10L left prior to the NXC Omnilinks arriving, I'm wondering if 1863 & 1864 might go to WA?
They have lost 1836 as well
Fair point forgot about 1836, I did think they may get away with say 12 x Omnilinks to replace 13 B10L's due the Omnilinks being newer/more reliable
Quote from: NathanJC on July 28, 2013, 09:47:14 PM
Are PB solo's to be withdrawn at Some point?
WN's B5s and E400Hs are going to be withdrawn at some point
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 28, 2013, 10:28:18 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on July 28, 2013, 09:47:14 PM
Are PB solo's to be withdrawn at Some point?
WN's B5s and E400Hs are going to be withdrawn at some point
You'll be middle aged by the time that happens lol. They'll be converted to full Diesel by that time probably.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 28, 2013, 10:37:55 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 28, 2013, 10:28:18 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on July 28, 2013, 09:47:14 PM
Are PB solo's to be withdrawn at Some point?
WN's B5s and E400Hs are going to be withdrawn at some point
You'll be middle aged by the time that happens lol. They'll be converted to full Diesel by that time probably.
And hopefully an experienced driver of them ;)
Quote from: NathanJC on July 28, 2013, 09:47:14 PM
Are PB solo's to be withdrawn at Some point?
Sooner the better, hate them, a hate that probably stems from them putting them on routes like the 28
Quote from: Kevin on July 29, 2013, 08:52:40 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on July 28, 2013, 09:47:14 PM
Are PB solo's to be withdrawn at Some point?
Sooner the better, hate them, a hate that probably stems from them putting them on routes like the 28
Will anything replace them ? thats if they still operate the 654
Quote from: NathanJC on July 29, 2013, 09:08:45 PM
Quote from: Kevin on July 29, 2013, 08:52:40 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on July 28, 2013, 09:47:14 PM
Are PB solo's to be withdrawn at Some point?
Sooner the better, hate them, a hate that probably stems from them putting them on routes like the 28
Will anything replace them ? thats if they still operate the 654
Get a few E200's? I'm sure bigger buses have been on the 654 before
Quote from: NathanJC on July 29, 2013, 09:08:45 PM
Quote from: Kevin on July 29, 2013, 08:52:40 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on July 28, 2013, 09:47:14 PM
Are PB solo's to be withdrawn at Some point?
Sooner the better, hate them, a hate that probably stems from them putting them on routes like the 28
Will anything replace them ? thats if they still operate the 654
And is it only E200's which replace, in broader terms, Minibuses within the county? I'd have thought they'd get a proper mini not Midi's - if you can call them that. (In leymans terms, the front axle in front of the passenger doors)
Quote from: Kevin on July 29, 2013, 09:10:50 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on July 29, 2013, 09:08:45 PM
Quote from: Kevin on July 29, 2013, 08:52:40 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on July 28, 2013, 09:47:14 PM
Are PB solo's to be withdrawn at Some point?
Sooner the better, hate them, a hate that probably stems from them putting them on routes like the 28
Will anything replace them ? thats if they still operate the 654
Get a few E200's? I'm sure bigger buses have been on the 654 before
only ever seen Solos working the 654 and a B6LE or was the 651
Maybe more E200's will be orded as part of the £81 million investment?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 29, 2013, 09:30:26 PM
Maybe more E200's will be orded as part of the £81 million investment?
Why no new minis?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 29, 2013, 09:33:42 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 29, 2013, 09:30:26 PM
Maybe more E200's will be orded as part of the £81 million investment?
Why no new minis?
What do you mean? E200's are the only buses close enough to the same capacity of a Solo that NX currently buy.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 29, 2013, 09:37:55 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 29, 2013, 09:33:42 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 29, 2013, 09:30:26 PM
Maybe more E200's will be orded as part of the £81 million investment?
Why no new minis?
What do you mean? E200's are the only buses close enough to the same capacity of a Solo that NX currently buy.
No what I'm on about is why don't they buy actual Minibuses? If you know what I mean. Basically not Midi's.
Oh i see ;) You mean like a Wright Streetlite or Solo SR?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 29, 2013, 09:51:08 PM
Oh i see ;) You mean like a Wright Streetlite or Solo SR?
Exactly. Some routes deserve just minis, not midis. Take the 99 for instance, I don't think it should have E200's, it coped with very small ALX200's and Solos previously.
I'm just waiting for someone's essay to say why I'm wrong.
I think Wright Streetlites would be very suitable to replace existing Solos, they would certainly suit NXWM livery
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 29, 2013, 09:56:22 PM
I think Wright Streetlites would be very suitable to replace existing Solos, they would certainly suit NXWM livery
Probably better built then the E200's anyway!! I'm with you on this one, Nath. And yes, will look very smart in NXWM.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 29, 2013, 10:01:00 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 29, 2013, 09:56:22 PM
I think Wright Streetlites would be very suitable to replace existing Solos, they would certainly suit NXWM livery
Probably better built then the E200's anyway!! I'm with you on this one, Nath. And yes, will look very smart in NXWM.
I'm Matt, not Nath, but thanks for agreeing ;)
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 29, 2013, 10:01:00 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 29, 2013, 09:56:22 PM
I think Wright Streetlites would be very suitable to replace existing Solos, they would certainly suit NXWM livery
Probably better built then the E200's anyway!! I'm with you on this one, Nath. And yes, will look very smart in NXWM.
I'm happy with either but I agree the Streetlites will be better ;)
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 29, 2013, 09:54:41 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 29, 2013, 09:51:08 PM
Oh i see ;) You mean like a Wright Streetlite or Solo SR?
Exactly. Some routes deserve just minis, not midis. Take the 99 for instance, I don't think it should have E200's, it coped with very small ALX200's and Solos previously.
I'm just waiting for someone's essay to say why I'm wrong.
err i dont think the 99 would cope at all well with minibuses. And which routes would you have in mind? Theres no point buying a minibus if a b6 or enviro200 will go where a solo will go anyway-wheelbases of so called minibuses ie solos and streetlites are the same as midi buses because of the silly layout with wheels at the front. So, they are just as manoeuvrable and so why would you buy buses like solos which NX proved can't stand up to being used every day on busy urban routes when they last less long and break down more and cost more over the lifetime of a bus. Instead, buy midis try to encourage growth by ensuring that passengers can actually get a seat
Quote from: Rob2832 on July 29, 2013, 10:07:15 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 29, 2013, 10:01:00 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 29, 2013, 09:56:22 PM
I think Wright Streetlites would be very suitable to replace existing Solos, they would certainly suit NXWM livery
Probably better built then the E200's anyway!! I'm with you on this one, Nath. And yes, will look very smart in NXWM.
I'm happy with either but I agree the Streetlites will be better ;)
Streetlites look absolutely hideous-versas at least look nice even if the build quality seems a bit poor
Quote from: NathanJC on July 29, 2013, 09:16:43 PM
only ever seen Solos working the 654 and a B6LE or was the 651
B6LEs have been on the 654, as well as a B10L, someone reported about a month ago
Quote from: John on July 29, 2013, 10:35:43 PM
Quote from: NathanJC on July 29, 2013, 09:16:43 PM
only ever seen Solos working the 654 and a B6LE or was the 651
B6LEs have been on the 654, as well as a B10L, someone reported about a month ago
Indeed
1432 or something like that
1842 seems to be making a strange rattling noise when coasting, just got off it on the 28
I was on the same bus last saturday on the 952H and was making the same noise especially on the limited stop section.
1404 and 1470 are no longer taxed.
Remember driving them both lots whan @wa on the 301s. 1404 was a lovely bus as was 1401. 1470 was branded for the 301s and was a pig of a bus. Always slow pulling away, heavey steering and a freezing cold cab.. sad to see her go though.
And another one, 4852 has just been towed in to Carlyle bus & Coach.
I've noticed more and more toothpaste Enviro 400's (or what ever they are called) on the 94's this week. More than one when i was in the car, must be getting ready for the Sutton off loads. Or is just a coincidence after Simon's comments.
Coincidence. I've seen the full set on Main Road duties this week: 4718-32.
Main Road is Sutton slang for 902, 904, 905 etc
Must just be Summer timetables using less buses, saw 2 on the 94 yesterday and today. Didn't get numbers.
Quote from: FireballXL5 on August 02, 2013, 02:58:54 PM
And another one, 4852 has just been towed in to Carlyle bus & Coach.
Maybe linked to an accident that was reported either today or yesterday on the 33 route
Quote from: The Real 4778 on August 02, 2013, 03:47:44 PM
Coincidence. I've seen the full set on Main Road duties this week: 4718-32.
Main Road is Sutton slang for 902, 904, 905 etc
Still seeing more than 1 on the 94's.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 07:33:52 PM
Quote from: FireballXL5 on August 02, 2013, 02:58:54 PM
And another one, 4852 has just been towed in to Carlyle bus & Coach.
Maybe linked to an accident that was reported either today or yesterday on the 33 route
is 4852 back at PB now ?
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2013, 08:10:08 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 07:33:52 PM
Quote from: FireballXL5 on August 02, 2013, 02:58:54 PM
And another one, 4852 has just been towed in to Carlyle bus & Coach.
Maybe linked to an accident that was reported either today or yesterday on the 33 route
is 4852 back at PB now ?
If it is bad enough to go to Carlyle it will take a lot longer than 8 days to repair
Quote from: Tony on August 10, 2013, 08:15:25 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2013, 08:10:08 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 07:33:52 PM
Quote from: FireballXL5 on August 02, 2013, 02:58:54 PM
And another one, 4852 has just been towed in to Carlyle bus & Coach.
Maybe linked to an accident that was reported either today or yesterday on the 33 route
is 4852 back at PB now ?
If it is bad enough to go to Carlyle it will take a lot longer than 8 days to repair
Sorry Didnt read the date, So I take it major repairs go to Carlyle where ever that is
Quote from: Tony on August 10, 2013, 08:15:25 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2013, 08:10:08 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 07:33:52 PM
Quote from: FireballXL5 on August 02, 2013, 02:58:54 PM
And another one, 4852 has just been towed in to Carlyle bus & Coach.
Maybe linked to an accident that was reported either today or yesterday on the 33 route
is 4852 back at PB now ?
If it is bad enough to go to Carlyle it will take a lot longer than 8 days to repair
Plus Carlyle have a number of NE visitors at the moment!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 10, 2013, 08:19:02 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 10, 2013, 08:15:25 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2013, 08:10:08 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 07:33:52 PM
Quote from: FireballXL5 on August 02, 2013, 02:58:54 PM
And another one, 4852 has just been towed in to Carlyle bus & Coach.
Maybe linked to an accident that was reported either today or yesterday on the 33 route
is 4852 back at PB now ?
If it is bad enough to go to Carlyle it will take a lot longer than 8 days to repair
Plus Carlyle have a number of NE visitors at the moment!
Is that where 825's gone?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 10, 2013, 08:19:35 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 10, 2013, 08:19:02 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 10, 2013, 08:15:25 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2013, 08:10:08 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 07:33:52 PM
Quote from: FireballXL5 on August 02, 2013, 02:58:54 PM
And another one, 4852 has just been towed in to Carlyle bus & Coach.
Maybe linked to an accident that was reported either today or yesterday on the 33 route
is 4852 back at PB now ?
If it is bad enough to go to Carlyle it will take a lot longer than 8 days to repair
Plus Carlyle have a number of NE visitors at the moment!
Is that where 825's gone?
Yes Matt.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 10, 2013, 08:19:02 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 10, 2013, 08:15:25 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2013, 08:10:08 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 07:33:52 PM
Quote from: FireballXL5 on August 02, 2013, 02:58:54 PM
And another one, 4852 has just been towed in to Carlyle bus & Coach.
Maybe linked to an accident that was reported either today or yesterday on the 33 route
is 4852 back at PB now ?
If it is bad enough to go to Carlyle it will take a lot longer than 8 days to repair
Plus Carlyle have a number of NE visitors at the moment!
Where is Carlye ??
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2013, 08:22:55 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 10, 2013, 08:19:02 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 10, 2013, 08:15:25 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2013, 08:10:08 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 07:33:52 PM
Quote from: FireballXL5 on August 02, 2013, 02:58:54 PM
And another one, 4852 has just been towed in to Carlyle bus & Coach.
Maybe linked to an accident that was reported either today or yesterday on the 33 route
is 4852 back at PB now ?
If it is bad enough to go to Carlyle it will take a lot longer than 8 days to repair
Plus Carlyle have a number of NE visitors at the moment!
Where is Carlye ??
It's at West Bromwich Nathan
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 10, 2013, 08:24:30 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2013, 08:22:55 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 10, 2013, 08:19:02 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 10, 2013, 08:15:25 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2013, 08:10:08 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 02, 2013, 07:33:52 PM
Quote from: FireballXL5 on August 02, 2013, 02:58:54 PM
And another one, 4852 has just been towed in to Carlyle bus & Coach.
Maybe linked to an accident that was reported either today or yesterday on the 33 route
is 4852 back at PB now ?
If it is bad enough to go to Carlyle it will take a lot longer than 8 days to repair
Plus Carlyle have a number of NE visitors at the moment!
Where is Carlye ??
It's at West Bromwich Nathan
Were about in WB
Carlyle Bus And Coach is in Great Bridge Street, Swan Village, near West Bromwich.
The 74 passes right by there. ;)
Quote from: Stu on August 10, 2013, 08:34:09 PM
Carlyle Bus And Coach is in Great Bridge Street, Swan Village, near West Bromwich.
The 74 passes right by there. ;)
I thought it was Out of Birmingham ? ::)
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2013, 08:35:54 PM
Quote from: Stu on August 10, 2013, 08:34:09 PM
Carlyle Bus And Coach is in Great Bridge Street, Swan Village, near West Bromwich.
The 74 passes right by there. ;)
I thought it was Out of Birmingham ? ::)
No, that's Carlisle
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 10, 2013, 08:41:57 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 10, 2013, 08:35:54 PM
Quote from: Stu on August 10, 2013, 08:34:09 PM
Carlyle Bus And Coach is in Great Bridge Street, Swan Village, near West Bromwich.
The 74 passes right by there. ;)
I thought it was Out of Birmingham ? ::)
No, that's Carlisle
Oh.
Anybody know why the 94 has been going down Bosworth Drive (in Chelmsley Wood) lately? Not sure if it still is, but it was on Friday.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 14, 2013, 12:53:20 AM
Anybody know why the 94 has been going down Bosworth Drive (in Chelmsley Wood) lately? Not sure if it still is, but it was on Friday.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/temporary-diversions/chelmsley-wood-chelmsley-road/
Quote from: DJ trainbasher on August 14, 2013, 01:08:32 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 14, 2013, 12:53:20 AM
Anybody know why the 94 has been going down Bosworth Drive (in Chelmsley Wood) lately? Not sure if it still is, but it was on Friday.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/temporary-diversions/chelmsley-wood-chelmsley-road/
Another summer thing
Quote from: Nathan on August 14, 2013, 07:49:00 PM
Quote from: DJ trainbasher on August 14, 2013, 01:08:32 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 14, 2013, 12:53:20 AM
Anybody know why the 94 has been going down Bosworth Drive (in Chelmsley Wood) lately? Not sure if it still is, but it was on Friday.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/temporary-diversions/chelmsley-wood-chelmsley-road/
Another summer thing
??? Another summer thing????
It is going that way because the bridge is being rebuilt and Chelmsley Road is closed. The contractors have finished two weeks early and 94 and 71 are returning to normal line of route at 9am on Monday
Quote from: Tony on August 14, 2013, 08:16:31 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 14, 2013, 07:49:00 PM
Quote from: DJ trainbasher on August 14, 2013, 01:08:32 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 14, 2013, 12:53:20 AM
Anybody know why the 94 has been going down Bosworth Drive (in Chelmsley Wood) lately? Not sure if it still is, but it was on Friday.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/temporary-diversions/chelmsley-wood-chelmsley-road/
Another summer thing
??? Another summer thing????
Didnt mean it like that :(, that came across wrong, but Ive noticed alot of road works happening over the summer, and yes thats down to less people on the road so less congestion = less delays
Yes, this is probably the best time of year to carry out major roadworks, when traffic is lighter.
Look at the Stratford Road / Highgate Road junction improvement works, they've been ongoing since January, but the most disrupting part of the works have been timetabled to take place around this time.
Finally managed to ride an Omnicity today, on the full 907 Birmingham - Sutton Coldfield. 4778 was the one I got. I must say I do quite like it, nice and smooth at high speed and reasonably good at pulling off. Not the most interesting engine sound though (rather Omnilink-like unsurprisingly) but all in all quite a nice bus.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 14, 2013, 11:58:20 PM
Finally managed to ride an Omnicity today, on the full 907 Birmingham - Sutton Coldfield. 4778 was the one I got. I must say I do quite like it, nice and smooth at high speed and reasonably good at pulling off. Not the most interesting engine sound though (rather Omnilink-like unsurprisingly) but all in all quite a nice bus.
That's if you like rattles, did you catch 4718?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 15, 2013, 11:43:27 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 14, 2013, 11:58:20 PM
Finally managed to ride an Omnicity today, on the full 907 Birmingham - Sutton Coldfield. 4778 was the one I got. I must say I do quite like it, nice and smooth at high speed and reasonably good at pulling off. Not the most interesting engine sound though (rather Omnilink-like unsurprisingly) but all in all quite a nice bus.
That's if you like rattles, did you catch 4718?
No but I was hoping to. Do you know where it is today?
Scutton lines would be a good guess :P
Saw it later ;) was on the 905. Tempted to catch it but didn't have time
Try the 902 from sutton to hill hook when you get chance, nice photospot and lunch spot :)
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 15, 2013, 11:43:27 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 14, 2013, 11:58:20 PM
Finally managed to ride an Omnicity today, on the full 907 Birmingham - Sutton Coldfield. 4778 was the one I got. I must say I do quite like it, nice and smooth at high speed and reasonably good at pulling off. Not the most interesting engine sound though (rather Omnilink-like unsurprisingly) but all in all quite a nice bus.
That's if you like rattles, did you catch 4718?
They are rattle boxes at times, more than the the E400s rattle but do look nice though
As well as 1794, 1797 repainted into NXWM is also at Perry Barr on the hour departures from Perry Beeches on the 952,so should leave town around half past each hour
Ps Do the people in Wolverhampton know what Perry Barr buses are at V Festival. I know 4245 is from 4006's picture. I guess this is why 1794/1797 are at Perry Barr this weekend
Quote from: John on August 17, 2013, 11:22:59 AM
As well as 1794, 1797 repainted into NXWM is also at Perry Barr on the hour departures from Perry Beeches on the 952,so should leave town around half past each hour
:P is 1794 & 1797 on the 952
Quote from: Nathan on August 17, 2013, 03:58:55 PM
Quote from: John on August 17, 2013, 11:22:59 AM
As well as 1794, 1797 repainted into NXWM is also at Perry Barr on the hour departures from Perry Beeches on the 952,so should leave town around half past each hour
:P is 1794 & 1797 on the 952
No, the way i worded that. Just 1797 is on the 952. I should have said they have both been seen at Perry Barr this weekend
Sorry Nathan :)
Yes two Omnilinks are Bordesley's contribution to V, by releasing extra B7s from PB
Quote from: John on August 17, 2013, 04:31:27 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 17, 2013, 03:58:55 PM
Quote from: John on August 17, 2013, 11:22:59 AM
As well as 1794, 1797 repainted into NXWM is also at Perry Barr on the hour departures from Perry Beeches on the 952,so should leave town around half past each hour
:P is 1794 & 1797 on the 952
No, the way i worded that. Just 1797 is on the 952. I should have said they have both been seen at Perry Barr this weekend
Sorry Nathan :)
Not to worry John, I didnt see it anyways, but then wasnt in town very long
Rode 4300 today on the 94, and I've gotta say it's such a shoddy bus. The Vodafone all-over wrap just looks tacky and completely destroys any good looks the bus might have had. Add on the severely worn seats and insane amounts of etching on the upper deck, and of course the decade old livery and you've got a shed. Although to be honest, a lot of ALX400s at WB are in a disgraceful state. It's high time they started refurbishing the buses that REALLY need refurbishment rather than practically brand new Omnilinks and E400s that still look new. The ALX400s, in my opinion, are an embarrassment to the fleet at the moment.
I passed 4300 while on 94 this afternoon. Thought it looked quite respectable compared with one of the Coventry Vodaphone buses which has white lower panels on the nearside after a prang a while ago.
I agree with you the 42xx ALX400s on the 94s and 74s do seem to the most grubby buses in the fleet. When were they last repainted?
Quote from: JoNi on August 19, 2013, 09:42:49 PM
I passed 4300 while on 94 this afternoon. Thought it looked quite respectable compared with one of the Coventry Vodaphone buses which has white lower panels on the nearside after a prang a while ago.
I agree with you the 42xx ALX400s on the 94s and 74s do seem to the most grubby buses in the fleet. When were they last repainted?
Tbh the ALX400's with the Vodafone advers should all be repainted into NX livery like 4607/8 currently are
Do the Omnicities regularly appear on all the Sutton lines? Or just the 907?
The OmniCity deckers arent really on the scutton lines, just the 907
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 20, 2013, 12:23:20 AM
The OmniCity deckers arent really on the scutton lines, just the 907
There was one on the 914 today, hence the question
They are not exactly regulars, but they are far from unusual. It's not surprising to see one every now and again.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 20, 2013, 12:44:56 AM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 20, 2013, 12:23:20 AM
The OmniCity deckers arent really on the scutton lines, just the 907
There was one on the 914 today, hence the question
The 914 isn't part of the Sutton Lines (902, 904, 905).
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 20, 2013, 12:53:00 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 20, 2013, 12:44:56 AM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 20, 2013, 12:23:20 AM
The OmniCity deckers arent really on the scutton lines, just the 907
There was one on the 914 today, hence the question
The 914 isn't part of the Sutton Lines (902, 904, 905).
Oh, sorry, assumed it was as it goes between Birmingham and Sutton.
Are the Sutton Lines just the ones that go via the Expressway then?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 20, 2013, 01:02:57 AM
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 20, 2013, 12:53:00 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 20, 2013, 12:44:56 AM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 20, 2013, 12:23:20 AM
The OmniCity deckers arent really on the scutton lines, just the 907
There was one on the 914 today, hence the question
The 914 isn't part of the Sutton Lines (902, 904, 905).
Oh, sorry, assumed it was as it goes between Birmingham and Sutton.
Are the Sutton Lines just the ones that go via the Expressway then?
The Sutton Lines are a group of routes that create a combined high frequency (like the 82/87 or 74/75) that follow the same route between Birmingham & Sutton (via Erdington and Wylde Green) and then extend to their separate termini. The 902 goes to Sutton and then extends to Hill Hook, the 904 goes to Sutton and then extends to Falcon Lodge, the 905 goes to Sutton and extends to Roughley. The 914 goes a different way to Sutton than the 902, 904, 905, and doesn't fall into the frequency pattern, therefore being a separate route
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 20, 2013, 01:09:58 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 20, 2013, 01:02:57 AM
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 20, 2013, 12:53:00 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 20, 2013, 12:44:56 AM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 20, 2013, 12:23:20 AM
The OmniCity deckers arent really on the scutton lines, just the 907
There was one on the 914 today, hence the question
The 914 isn't part of the Sutton Lines (902, 904, 905).
Oh, sorry, assumed it was as it goes between Birmingham and Sutton.
Are the Sutton Lines just the ones that go via the Expressway then?
The Sutton Lines are a group of routes that create a combined high frequency (like the 82/87 or 74/75) between Birmingham & Sutton (via Erdington and Wylde Green) and then extend to their separate termini. The 902 goes to Sutton and then extends to Hill Hook, the 904 goes to Sutton and then extends to Falcon Lodge, the 905 goes to Sutton and extends to Roughley. The 914 goes a different way to Sutton than the 902, 904, 905, and doesn't fall into the frequency pattern, therefore being a separate route
I understand now, thanks for that. I have only done the 904 and 907 so far, and never gone beyond Sutton. I did do the full 110 to Tamworth and back once though.
Reminds me, I was on the 904 today with Nath, and he asked,
Roughly how long does it take to Sutton Coldfield? I replied, this is the 904 not the 905 ::) ;)
Yes you beat me to that joke matt ;D By the way Matt there was also an Omnicity on the 905 aswell while we were in Sutton Coldfield.
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 20, 2013, 01:09:58 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 20, 2013, 01:02:57 AM
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 20, 2013, 12:53:00 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 20, 2013, 12:44:56 AM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 20, 2013, 12:23:20 AM
The OmniCity deckers arent really on the scutton lines, just the 907
There was one on the 914 today, hence the question
The 914 isn't part of the Sutton Lines (902, 904, 905).
Oh, sorry, assumed it was as it goes between Birmingham and Sutton.
Are the Sutton Lines just the ones that go via the Expressway then?
The Sutton Lines are a group of routes that create a combined high frequency (like the 82/87 or 74/75) that follow the same route between Birmingham & Sutton (via Erdington and Wylde Green) and then extend to their separate termini. The 902 goes to Sutton and then extends to Hill Hook, the 904 goes to Sutton and then extends to Falcon Lodge, the 905 goes to Sutton and extends to Roughley. The 914 goes a different way to Sutton than the 902, 904, 905, and doesn't fall into the frequency pattern, therefore being a separate route
The Sutton Lines branding as carried by the Presidents and then the ALX400 B7s covered the Sutton via Expressway and Erdington routes, and the 107 (now 907). There were 2 small route 'diagrams' along the sides of the buses depicting the Erdington and New Oscott Sutton Lines.
Don't know if what constitutes the Sutton Lines has changed since as it's not really my side of the city.
Quote from: Mike K on August 20, 2013, 09:41:02 AM
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 20, 2013, 01:09:58 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 20, 2013, 01:02:57 AM
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 20, 2013, 12:53:00 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 20, 2013, 12:44:56 AM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 20, 2013, 12:23:20 AM
The OmniCity deckers arent really on the scutton lines, just the 907
There was one on the 914 today, hence the question
The 914 isn't part of the Sutton Lines (902, 904, 905).
Oh, sorry, assumed it was as it goes between Birmingham and Sutton.
Are the Sutton Lines just the ones that go via the Expressway then?
The Sutton Lines are a group of routes that create a combined high frequency (like the 82/87 or 74/75) that follow the same route between Birmingham & Sutton (via Erdington and Wylde Green) and then extend to their separate termini. The 902 goes to Sutton and then extends to Hill Hook, the 904 goes to Sutton and then extends to Falcon Lodge, the 905 goes to Sutton and extends to Roughley. The 914 goes a different way to Sutton than the 902, 904, 905, and doesn't fall into the frequency pattern, therefore being a separate route
The Sutton Lines branding as carried by the Presidents and then the ALX400 B7s covered the Sutton via Expressway and Erdington routes, and the 107 (now 907). There were 2 small route 'diagrams' along the sides of the buses depicting the Erdington and New Oscott Sutton Lines.
Don't know if what constitutes the Sutton Lines has changed since as it's not really my side of the city.
A bunch of routes that tend to get priority over a lot of other PB services.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 20, 2013, 02:25:32 PM
Quote from: Mike K on August 20, 2013, 09:41:02 AM
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 20, 2013, 01:09:58 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 20, 2013, 01:02:57 AM
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 20, 2013, 12:53:00 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 20, 2013, 12:44:56 AM
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 20, 2013, 12:23:20 AM
The OmniCity deckers arent really on the scutton lines, just the 907
There was one on the 914 today, hence the question
The 914 isn't part of the Sutton Lines (902, 904, 905).
Oh, sorry, assumed it was as it goes between Birmingham and Sutton.
Are the Sutton Lines just the ones that go via the Expressway then?
The Sutton Lines are a group of routes that create a combined high frequency (like the 82/87 or 74/75) that follow the same route between Birmingham & Sutton (via Erdington and Wylde Green) and then extend to their separate termini. The 902 goes to Sutton and then extends to Hill Hook, the 904 goes to Sutton and then extends to Falcon Lodge, the 905 goes to Sutton and extends to Roughley. The 914 goes a different way to Sutton than the 902, 904, 905, and doesn't fall into the frequency pattern, therefore being a separate route
The Sutton Lines branding as carried by the Presidents and then the ALX400 B7s covered the Sutton via Expressway and Erdington routes, and the 107 (now 907). There were 2 small route 'diagrams' along the sides of the buses depicting the Erdington and New Oscott Sutton Lines.
Don't know if what constitutes the Sutton Lines has changed since as it's not really my side of the city.
A bunch of routes that tend to get priority over a lot of other PB services.
They must be more profitable for NXWM over say the 94
Yeah the "sutton lines" did at one point include the 107, back when it was more frequent... can't see why as it wasn't really any closer to the 902/4/5 than the 914 was, and from memory that wasnt included.
107/113 was included in Sutton lines branding as 905/107 use to interwork.
They changed at Birmingham city centre.
The 2nd batch of new buses for Sutton lines Volvo Alx400 4279-4304 was intended for all Sutton
Routes including 114/114 but 4300-4304 diverted to Travel Dundee so it WAs not possible
To convert 114/115 to low floor.
Maybe it was just today but there was at least three scanias on main sutton lines today, the 907 had a gemini and 2 enviros from what i saw plus one omnicity, the rest i dont know
Glad to see the 71A is B7 ALX when i go, 4278 was looking nice on there in the sun, 4241 as well (somebody clean the upstairs windows)
Also, have all the PB Liberators gone now?
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 20, 2013, 10:28:08 PM
Also, have all the PB Liberators gone now?
The last five B10L i.e. 1426, 1430, 1451, 1462 & 1468 are all still showing as taxed on the DVLA
Thanks Winston :)
Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 21, 2013, 10:38:58 AM
Thanks Winston :)
No worries, since my reply 1430 has since moved to WA
Newly acquired 1868 was on the 67 today. Do Bendybuses get used as last resort as when ever I'm catching a 94 I never see one on the 67.
Quote from: JoNi on August 21, 2013, 08:37:53 PM
Newly acquired 1868 was on the 67 today. Do Bendybuses get used as last resort as when ever I'm catching a 94 I never see one on the 67.
No, bendi-buses are used every day except Sunday. Peak time extras usually see other types, both single and double deckers.
They must be more profitable for NXWM over say the 94
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I wouldn't be so sure. Most of the time the 94 is rammed leaving the city. Remember there's no rail alternative for the 94, or a lot of the Chelmsley Wood routes to be honest so passengers rely solely on buses.
Quote from: JB93 on August 23, 2013, 08:52:43 PM
They must be more profitable for NXWM over say the 94
I wouldn't be so sure. Most of the time the 94 is rammed leaving the city. Remember there's no rail alternative for the 94, or a lot of the Chelmsley Wood routes to be honest so passengers rely solely on buses.
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Even if buses are rammed, it doesn't mean that they make the most profit, higher frequencies = higher costs. Where as some of the individual routes (902, 904, 905) that make up the Sutton Lines operate at every 30 mins
I think the level of investment that the 94 has received since the 03 Plate Tridents at LH goes to show where the 94 is in the NXWM pecking order, especially given the competition are providing brand new buses, whilst the planned NXWM upgrade in early 2014 will be older cascaded deckers only
I agree. I know the idea has been bashed by a lot of people but I'm still with the opinion that since Lea Hall closed it's old routes have become neglected at other garages, with the exception of the 17 and 55.
Quote from: JB93 on August 23, 2013, 10:49:54 PM
I agree. I know the idea has been bashed by a lot of people but I'm still with the opinion that since Lea Hall closed it's old routes have become neglected at other garages, with the exception of the 17 and 55.
I agree. But do the passengers deserve the service? From what I've seen they don't. But then I annoy myself when I state comments like that as a majority spoils it for the minority of genuine passengers whom unfortunately can't afford cars.
Well i guess the reality is that East Birmingham is not the most prosperous side of Birmingham to give NXWM the growth oppurtunities they are looking for and hence where they look to channel their investments.
(The Hodge Hill & Ladywood constituencies have some of the highest unemployment rates in the country)
I would imagine in terms of rankings I would guess:-
West Birmingham (areas Edgbaston, Harborne etc).
North Birmingham (i.e Perry Barr & Sutton C)
South Birmingham
then bottom of the pile East Birmingham.
Only my guess, not quoting from any stats.
You'll get unpleasant characters on public transport wherever you go it's a fact of life. I was on the 24 going down Court Oak Road in Harborne the other week (top of the pile, as you put it) and a man was having a right argument with the driver. And I do genuinely get quite offended when people refer to East Birmingham as the "bottom of the pile" and make us out to be toothless benefit-scrounging morons, as you're just feeding off of stereotypes. But I do wonder how seriously NXWM take these stereotypes, as I do feel that the East of Birmingham probably has a massive amount more bus-users than say the West or South, purely because the trainlines don't really go anywhere near a lot of the major bus corridors there. So then, where is the investment? Why is it that the people that pour most of the money into the company get the sheds and the areas like Harborne etc. get brand spanking new buses repeatedly? I'll tell you why - stereotyping.
I acknowledge that the Harborne corridor has had a significant amount of investment in the last 2 years but prior to this, the last time there were new buses was 1998 at the time of the Network Harborne branded single deckers. These didn't last long before cascade elsewhere. So it's been 13 years before the area saw any new vehicles acquired specifically for these routes.
During that time the 94 saw new buses (2003) and the 97 has had 2 batches of new vehicles (2001 and 2007) so whilst West Birmingham has benefitted recently it certainly hasn't historically had any preferential treatment over the East.
Going off topic a bit, but I wonder whether the 120 would've been upgraded if the Emissions rule wasn't in place
Quote from: JB93 on August 23, 2013, 08:52:43 PM
They must be more profitable for NXWM over say the 94
I wouldn't be so sure. Most of the time the 94 is rammed leaving the city. Remember there's no rail alternative for the 94, or a lot of the Chelmsley Wood routes to be honest so passengers rely solely on buses.
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That's why NX don't need to use brand new buses on the 94 as there is no rail alternative whereas there is on the Sutton Lines, hence the newer buses.
Quote from: JB93 on August 25, 2013, 04:43:16 AM
You'll get unpleasant characters on public transport wherever you go it's a fact of life. I was on the 24 going down Court Oak Road in Harborne the other week (top of the pile, as you put it) and a man was having a right argument with the driver. And I do genuinely get quite offended when people refer to East Birmingham as the "bottom of the pile" and make us out to be toothless benefit-scrounging morons, as you're just feeding off of stereotypes. But I do wonder how seriously NXWM take these stereotypes, as I do feel that the East of Birmingham probably has a massive amount more bus-users than say the West or South, purely because the trainlines don't really go anywhere near a lot of the major bus corridors there. So then, where is the investment? Why is it that the people that pour most of the money into the company get the sheds and the areas like Harborne etc. get brand spanking new buses repeatedly? I'll tell you why - stereotyping.
JB93,
I agree with your comments regarding East Birmingham, as there is potentially and higher proportion of deprived areas with lower car ownership than in South Birmingham and therefore NXWM should be carrying higher passenger numbers over areas with high car ownership/good rail network. The problem with the 94 not receiving any new investment as I see it is down to the fact that a higher proportion of passengers have to use the bus regardless, as they have no alternative. Those areas of Birmingham that are receiving higher levels of investment is due to NXWM bus services have to compete with other modes of transport and those people have a much greater choice, hence those areas are seen as a higher priority for new buses. Realistically, that policy isn't really fair, as the passengers that have no alternative to using the 94 probably help to contribute more to profits than some other services in more affluent areas, but that will obviously depend on the cost of operating the 94 at 7/8 min frequencies against passenger numbers etc
I live in the east in the city, will admit hardly use the bus anymore. I guess the point I was making is long the lines of the previous two posts. It's a harsh reality of business I guess. I do not support it but that is the commercial world. It could be a different situation if the bus services were nationalised (I don't know), but that's a whole new topic. :)
Quote from: Winston on August 25, 2013, 03:08:40 PM
Quote from: JB93 on August 25, 2013, 04:43:16 AM
You'll get unpleasant characters on public transport wherever you go it's a fact of life. I was on the 24 going down Court Oak Road in Harborne the other week (top of the pile, as you put it) and a man was having a right argument with the driver. And I do genuinely get quite offended when people refer to East Birmingham as the "bottom of the pile" and make us out to be toothless benefit-scrounging morons, as you're just feeding off of stereotypes. But I do wonder how seriously NXWM take these stereotypes, as I do feel that the East of Birmingham probably has a massive amount more bus-users than say the West or South, purely because the trainlines don't really go anywhere near a lot of the major bus corridors there. So then, where is the investment? Why is it that the people that pour most of the money into the company get the sheds and the areas like Harborne etc. get brand spanking new buses repeatedly? I'll tell you why - stereotyping.
JB93,
I agree with your comments regarding East Birmingham, as there is potentially and higher proportion of deprived areas with lower car ownership than in South Birmingham and therefore NXWM should be carrying higher passenger numbers over areas with high car ownership/good rail network. The problem with the 94 not receiving any new investment as I see it is down to the fact that a higher proportion of passengers have to use the bus regardless, as they have no alternative. Those areas of Birmingham that are receiving higher levels of investment is due to NXWM bus services have to compete with other modes of transport and those people have a much greater choice, hence those areas are seen as a higher priority for new buses. Realistically, that policy isn't really fair, as the passengers that have no alternative to using the 94 probably help to contribute more to profits than some other services in more affluent areas, but that will obviously depend on the cost of operating the 94 at 7/8 min frequencies against passenger numbers etc
That's true but they are competing with Claribels?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 25, 2013, 10:15:31 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 25, 2013, 03:08:40 PM
Quote from: JB93 on August 25, 2013, 04:43:16 AM
You'll get unpleasant characters on public transport wherever you go it's a fact of life. I was on the 24 going down Court Oak Road in Harborne the other week (top of the pile, as you put it) and a man was having a right argument with the driver. And I do genuinely get quite offended when people refer to East Birmingham as the "bottom of the pile" and make us out to be toothless benefit-scrounging morons, as you're just feeding off of stereotypes. But I do wonder how seriously NXWM take these stereotypes, as I do feel that the East of Birmingham probably has a massive amount more bus-users than say the West or South, purely because the trainlines don't really go anywhere near a lot of the major bus corridors there. So then, where is the investment? Why is it that the people that pour most of the money into the company get the sheds and the areas like Harborne etc. get brand spanking new buses repeatedly? I'll tell you why - stereotyping.
JB93,
I agree with your comments regarding East Birmingham, as there is potentially and higher proportion of deprived areas with lower car ownership than in South Birmingham and therefore NXWM should be carrying higher passenger numbers over areas with high car ownership/good rail network. The problem with the 94 not receiving any new investment as I see it is down to the fact that a higher proportion of passengers have to use the bus regardless, as they have no alternative. Those areas of Birmingham that are receiving higher levels of investment is due to NXWM bus services have to compete with other modes of transport and those people have a much greater choice, hence those areas are seen as a higher priority for new buses. Realistically, that policy isn't really fair, as the passengers that have no alternative to using the 94 probably help to contribute more to profits than some other services in more affluent areas, but that will obviously depend on the cost of operating the 94 at 7/8 min frequencies against passenger numbers etc
That's true but they are competing with Claribels?
Exactly and against new buses, so you would think in this particular instance that the 94 would be given a new fleet to try & win back passengers off Claribels
Just supports all the points we have been making that they don't give a toss about the east of the city, to be blunt. :)
Well I only hope that Claribels continue to prosper on the 94, maybe then they'll act. I'm seeing more and more Claribels buses full to the brim lately.
The older buses have to go somewhere and I am a big fan of the B7TL ALX' but still think a refurb is needed, though it takes time to do them all.
I am always greatful when I see a B7 ALX round Pheasey, I am bored of a sea of enviros!
I'd be more th>n happy to see B7tl ALX back into the South. Never happen though.
is 4852 back yet ?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 26, 2013, 11:52:12 AM
The older buses have to go somewhere and I am a big fan of the B7TL ALX' but still think a refurb is needed, though it takes time to do them all.
I am always greatful when I see a B7 ALX round Pheasey, I am bored of a sea of enviros!
Yesterday morning I caught the second 65 from Short Heath into town at 5.30am. It was 4284. I have never seen the interior of a bus in such a disgusting state of maintenance. Whatever PB has in for refurb next should be stood down and replaced by 4284 urgently.
The B7 ALX seem to quite unloved :(
Saw a B7 Decker heading through Nechells this morning, was either 4263 or 4283, heading down Bloomsbury st towards the city. Anyone got a clue why?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 30, 2013, 01:24:35 AM
The B7 ALX seem to quite unloved :(
I'd like to think our PB B7s will have their day in court (sorry, the paint shop). They are to say the least a very motley crew presently.
In Gemini news, it looks like 4495 is the sole surviving member in old 'low floor' TWM livery at present.
The B7 ALXs are amazing buses, and have served WB well for years, but some of them are in desperate need of a refurb
Has anyone seen 4698 today? I'm hoping to catch it when i go to Birmingham in a bit :)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 31, 2013, 12:37:28 PM
Has anyone seen 4698 today? I'm hoping to catch it when i go to Birmingham in a bit :)
Does anyone know which route 4698 is on?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 31, 2013, 01:44:37 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 31, 2013, 12:37:28 PM
Has anyone seen 4698 today? I'm hoping to catch it when i go to Birmingham in a bit :)
Does anyone know which route 4698 is on?
Not sure
Though I seen 4697 on the 7 earlier so maybe 7 :P
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 31, 2013, 01:44:37 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 31, 2013, 12:37:28 PM
Has anyone seen 4698 today? I'm hoping to catch it when i go to Birmingham in a bit :)
Does anyone know which route 4698 is on?
Didnt see it when I was in town, but your best bet is the Sutton Lines (902/4/5/914/115)
4698 was on the 67 today
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 31, 2013, 01:44:37 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 31, 2013, 12:37:28 PM
Has anyone seen 4698 today? I'm hoping to catch it when i go to Birmingham in a bit :)
Does anyone know which route 4698 is on?
Was on the 67 today
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 31, 2013, 01:44:37 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 31, 2013, 12:37:28 PM
Has anyone seen 4698 today? I'm hoping to catch it when i go to Birmingham in a bit :)
Does anyone know which route 4698 is on?
Was on the 67 today
I've been trying to find 4698 for weeks now but haven't seen it, last time I saw it was on the expressway routes anyway which are far too busy for filming :( It literally is my most illusive bus!
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 31, 2013, 01:44:37 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 31, 2013, 12:37:28 PM
Has anyone seen 4698 today? I'm hoping to catch it when i go to Birmingham in a bit :)
Does anyone know which route 4698 is on?
Was on 67 today
4475 - back home on the 33 working alongside 4496+4729, I know you don't always need a reason for a working like this! But where are the enviros ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 02, 2013, 10:38:38 AM
4475 - back home on the 33 working alongside 4496+4729, I know you don't always need a reason for a working like this! But where are the enviros ?
4731 I think it was was on the 33 yesterday, but as the forum was down yesterday, could not post
Whats happended to the Branded Enviros as another two were missing with 4494 & 4698 filling in
Quote from: trident4370 on August 31, 2013, 09:51:23 PM
I've been trying to find 4698 for weeks now but haven't seen it, last time I saw it was on the expressway routes anyway which are far too busy for filming :( It literally is my most illusive bus!
Same! Wish i went to Birmingham today with it being on the 33 today :(
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Quote from: trident4370 on August 31, 2013, 09:51:23 PM
I've been trying to find 4698 for weeks now but haven't seen it, last time I saw it was on the expressway routes anyway which are far too busy for filming :( It literally is my most illusive bus!
Same! Wish i went to Birmingham today with it being on the 33 today :(
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second time ive seen it, first time was when I got a picture of it on the 904 :D, and first rode it today on the 33 8) sounds quieter than the other batch of Enviros :D
Thats because it has a Euro 3 Engine like Dennis Tridents whereas all the other E400's (Trident chassis) have a Euro 4 engine
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 03, 2013, 06:28:35 PM
Thats because it has a Euro 3 Engine like Dennis Tridents whereas all the other E400's (Trident chassis) have a Euro 4 engine
Thank you for the information
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 03, 2013, 06:29:26 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 03, 2013, 06:28:35 PM
Thats because it has a Euro 3 Engine like Dennis Tridents whereas all the other E400's (Trident chassis) have a Euro 4 engine
Thank you for the information
Your Welcome :) Thats why i want to ride 4698 as it sounds (Well shold do) identical to WN tridents 4535-4609
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 03, 2013, 06:32:40 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 03, 2013, 06:29:26 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 03, 2013, 06:28:35 PM
Thats because it has a Euro 3 Engine like Dennis Tridents whereas all the other E400's (Trident chassis) have a Euro 4 engine
Thank you for the information
Your Welcome :) Thats why i want to ride 4698 as it sounds (Well shold do) identical to WN tridents 4535-4609
Never been on WN Tridents not really a huge fan of Tridents in General, but it sounds quieter than Tridents ?
Well WN's Tridents sound just like BC's 44** and 4610-34
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 03, 2013, 06:36:24 PM
Well WN's Tridents sound just like BC's 44** and 4610-34
Going to have to ride on a few WN Tridents and see if it sounds like 4698, shame 4698 is the only one at NX
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 03, 2013, 06:37:52 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 03, 2013, 06:36:24 PM
Well WN's Tridents sound just like BC's 44** and 4610-34
Going to have to ride on a few WN Tridents and see if it sounds like 4698, shame 4698 is the only one at NX
Tell me if it sounds the same then. I really need to catch it on Saturday. Today was my last dayon the bus as i go back to School tomorrow
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 03, 2013, 06:43:10 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 03, 2013, 06:37:52 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 03, 2013, 06:36:24 PM
Well WN's Tridents sound just like BC's 44** and 4610-34
Going to have to ride on a few WN Tridents and see if it sounds like 4698, shame 4698 is the only one at NX
Tell me if it sounds the same then. I really need to catch it on Saturday. Today was my last dayon the bus as i go back to School tomorrow
I dont have nothing till next week or soo, so more bus outings for me ;) :D finally the town centres will quite down now all the kids are back to school ;D
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 03, 2013, 06:48:17 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 03, 2013, 06:43:10 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 03, 2013, 06:37:52 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 03, 2013, 06:36:24 PM
Well WN's Tridents sound just like BC's 44** and 4610-34
Going to have to ride on a few WN Tridents and see if it sounds like 4698, shame 4698 is the only one at NX
Tell me if it sounds the same then. I really need to catch it on Saturday. Today was my last dayon the bus as i go back to School tomorrow
I dont have nothing till next week or soo, so more bus outings for me ;) :D finally the town centres will quite down now all the kids are back to school ;D
You are a kid as well ::)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 03, 2013, 08:13:09 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 03, 2013, 06:48:17 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 03, 2013, 06:43:10 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 03, 2013, 06:37:52 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 03, 2013, 06:36:24 PM
Well WN's Tridents sound just like BC's 44** and 4610-34
Going to have to ride on a few WN Tridents and see if it sounds like 4698, shame 4698 is the only one at NX
Tell me if it sounds the same then. I really need to catch it on Saturday. Today was my last dayon the bus as i go back to School tomorrow
I dont have nothing till next week or soo, so more bus outings for me ;) :D finally the town centres will quite down now all the kids are back to school ;D
You are a kid as well ::)
Technically im a teen ;)
B10L now finished AT Perry Barr after
16 and a half years at PB.
With a Brief gap March 2009-November 2009
When all left for Acocks Green and returned November 2009
For service 68.
Quote from: lynx1103 on September 03, 2013, 08:53:10 PM
B10L now finished AT Perry Barr after
16 and a half years at PB.
With a Brief gap March 2009-November 2009
When all left for Acocks Green and returned November 2009
For service 68.
:'( :'( :'( NO they will be sadly missed at PB :'( :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: lynx1103 on September 03, 2013, 08:53:10 PM
B10L now finished AT Perry Barr after
16 and a half years at PB.
With a Brief gap March 2009-November 2009
When all left for Acocks Green and returned November 2009
For service 68.
Only 27 x B10L left in service at NXWM (18 x WA & 9 x YW), I suspect YW may be the next garage to loose its allocation with only 9 allocated there
Quote from: lynx1103 on September 03, 2013, 08:53:10 PM
B10L now finished AT Perry Barr after
16 and a half years at PB.
With a Brief gap March 2009-November 2009
When all left for Acocks Green and returned November 2009
For service 68.
I am disappoint. Loved them buses
Quote from: Kevin on September 03, 2013, 09:46:15 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on September 03, 2013, 08:53:10 PM
B10L now finished AT Perry Barr after
16 and a half years at PB.
With a Brief gap March 2009-November 2009
When all left for Acocks Green and returned November 2009
For service 68.
I am disappoint. Loved them buses
I did not realize they had all left. Will miss them on the 28
Are the rest of the PB B10's withdrawn? I know 1430 has transfered to Walsall as i caught it last week on the 69
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 03, 2013, 09:50:41 PM
Are the rest of the PB B10's withdrawn? I know 1430 has transfered to Walsall as i caught it last week on the 69
Looking at Tonys fleetlist, they have all now gone from Perry Barr
Optare solo is now Perry Barr longest resident
First buses 317-320 delivered August 1999 for service 119/638
And 305 come from Hockley for service 654.
2nd longest resident
42xx Volvo B7 Alexander new in September 2001
For service 65/Sutton Lines
4225/6/7 was allocated to service 966
4852 is back after its accident repairs. Whole driver side has been repaneled, missing logo and side branding.
There may be another 48** Enviro400 off the road, as another Toothpaste Enviro400, and 4262 were both on the 33 today. The same as the rest of the week, at least 2 of the buses most days on the 33 have been Volvo B7TLS and/or 47** Enviro400s
Quote from: John on September 05, 2013, 11:41:52 PM
4852 is back after its accident repairs. Whole driver side has been repaneled, missing logo and side branding.
There may be another 48** Enviro400 off the road, as another Toothpaste Enviro400, and 4262 were both on the 33 today. The same as the rest of the week, at least 2 of the buses most days on the 33 have been Volvo B7TLS and/or 47** Enviro400s
Shame I wont get a picture today as Ill be in Banbury
Anyone know whats out on the 33 today, Enviro400 wise?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 08, 2013, 05:17:10 PM
Anyone know whats out on the 33 today, Enviro400 wise?
Only saw a branded E400 around 3:30 and 4500 was reported this morning
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 08, 2013, 06:02:51 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 08, 2013, 05:17:10 PM
Anyone know whats out on the 33 today, Enviro400 wise?
Only saw a branded E400 around 3:30 and 4500 was reported this morning
Do you know which branded buses they were nath
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 08, 2013, 06:41:21 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 08, 2013, 06:02:51 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 08, 2013, 05:17:10 PM
Anyone know whats out on the 33 today, Enviro400 wise?
Only saw a branded E400 around 3:30 and 4500 was reported this morning
Do you know which branded buses they were nath
Forgot the fleetnumber but only saw one 33 today. Why do you ask?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 08, 2013, 06:48:56 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 08, 2013, 06:41:21 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 08, 2013, 06:02:51 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 08, 2013, 05:17:10 PM
Anyone know whats out on the 33 today, Enviro400 wise?
Only saw a branded E400 around 3:30 and 4500 was reported this morning
Do you know which branded buses they were nath
Forgot the fleetnumber but only saw one 33 today. Why do you ask?
I was looking at my list of pictures I need an I only need 4844/86/88/89/52 so was wondering if it was worth taking a walk down to the Pheasey
Quote from: lynx1103 on September 03, 2013, 08:53:10 PM
B10L now finished AT Perry Barr after
16 and a half years at PB.
With a Brief gap March 2009-November 2009
When all left for Acocks Green and returned November 2009
For service 68.
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( Will really miss riding on them on 27/28/71. They're really great buses, love them. Oh well... I can go on WA routes that are operated by B10s.
I still manage to get B10L's alot of the time with the 69 passing near my house. Caught 1430 a few weeks back on the 69 i think on the first day out at WA after transferring from PB.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 08, 2013, 09:44:02 PM
I still manage to get B10L's alot of the time with the 69 passing near my house. Caught 1430 a few weeks back on the 69 i think on the first day out at WA after transferring from PB.
I saw 1430 passing when I was on 1421 on the 39 heading to Walsall yesterday. Missed the opportunity to ride on 1430, bah.
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 08, 2013, 09:46:21 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 08, 2013, 09:44:02 PM
I still manage to get B10L's alot of the time with the 69 passing near my house. Caught 1430 a few weeks back on the 69 i think on the first day out at WA after transferring from PB.
I saw 1430 passing when I was on 1421 on the 39 heading to Walsall yesterday. Missed the opportunity to ride on 1430, bah.
Saw it whilst in Wolverhampton Bus Station yesterday. Stood out with its LED display.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 08, 2013, 09:47:55 PM
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 08, 2013, 09:46:21 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 08, 2013, 09:44:02 PM
I still manage to get B10L's alot of the time with the 69 passing near my house. Caught 1430 a few weeks back on the 69 i think on the first day out at WA after transferring from PB.
I saw 1430 passing when I was on 1421 on the 39 heading to Walsall yesterday. Missed the opportunity to ride on 1430, bah.
Saw it whilst in Wolverhampton Bus Station yesterday. Stood out with its LED display.
That was the very first thing I noticed on 1430, the LED display. Looked different (maybe unusual) compared to others having the manual blinds.
4300 has now gained a yellow/white McCain's Oven chips al over ad over its large Vodafone advert
4495 still in its TWM low-floor livery, on the 914 this morning. She's clearly dodging the call to works ;)
Are PB enviros programmed individually, this morning I seen one displaying
Page1: SORRY!
Page2: NOT. IN SERVICE
Then the next one displaying;
Sorry not in service all on the same page across the top ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 13, 2013, 04:55:46 PM
Are PB enviros programmed individually, this morning I seen one displaying
Page1: SORRY!
Page2: NOT. IN SERVICE
Then the next one displaying;
Sorry not in service all on the same page across the top ?
There have been 14 different versions of Sorry not in service, hence the latest ones having a little 14 in the corner, presumably one of the two you saw hasn't been updated
Quote from: Tony on September 13, 2013, 09:02:04 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 13, 2013, 04:55:46 PM
Are PB enviros programmed individually, this morning I seen one displaying
Page1: SORRY!
Page2: NOT. IN SERVICE
Then the next one displaying;
Sorry not in service all on the same page across the top ?
There have been 14 different versions of Sorry not in service, hence the latest ones having a little 14 in the corner, presumably one of the two you saw hasn't been updated
Thanks Tony
4719 pulled up at the Calder Drive stop in Sutton Coldfield today showing "Sorry not in service" (Couldn't tell which version ! :D). About six employees got off it, and at least one guy pulled out a pocket camera and started taking multiple photos of it from both the front and the rear !! It was there for three or four minutes.
Any idea what that was all about?
In passing, I hope they got a shot of the fact that the bus's rear overhangs and partially blocks the brand new pelican-style cycle crossing recently put in there. :o Why the City Council planners put it so close to the bus stop, goodness only knows - accident waiting to happen there, I feel ....... :-\
Quote from: Ossie on September 16, 2013, 05:15:49 PM
4719 pulled up at the Calder Drive stop in Sutton Coldfield today showing "Sorry not in service" (Couldn't tell which version ! :D). About six employees got off it, and at least one guy pulled out a pocket camera and started taking multiple photos of it from both the front and the rear !! It was there for three or four minutes.
Any idea what that was all about?
In passing, I hope they got a shot of the fact that the bus's rear overhangs and partially blocks the brand new pelican-style cycle crossing recently put in there. :o Why the City Council planners put it so close to the bus stop, goodness only knows - accident waiting to happen there, I feel ....... :-\
Maybe that was the point of the guy taking photos, to send to the council to show why the crossing should be moved
When was the 67A withdrawn from service ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 16, 2013, 09:24:27 PM
When was the 67A withdrawn from service ?
Sometime last year I think
Seen an ex-cov Omnilink display 'Sorry' (all lowercase) on one screen then NOT IN SERVICE (capitals) on the next.
Quote from: Lukeee on September 16, 2013, 09:34:43 PM
Seen an ex-cov Omnilink display 'Sorry' (all lowercase) on one screen then NOT IN SERVICE (capitals) on the next.
This seems to be PB's new NIS as it appears on their 42** volvos as well
Anyone see the PB E400's today ? I seen 5 today one being 4729 on the Sutton Lines, rest I seen was Gemini/ALX400, bear in mind I was there nearly 2 hours ::)
Another Gemini on Route5 evening
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 17, 2013, 10:56:23 PM
Another Gemini on Route5 evening
Perry Barr don't run a route 5?
I'm pretty sure I saw a Dennis Trident on the 94 earlier this afternoon (so not the Volvo ALX400), was driving and noticed it did not have the grill on the back so assuming it was not a volvo.
Does this mean that BC might be operating some journeys or PB have some of the Dennis on transfer?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 18, 2013, 04:21:58 PM
I'm pretty sure I saw a Dennis Trident on the 94 earlier this afternoon (so not the Volvo ALX400), was driving and noticed it did not have the grill on the back so assuming it was not a volvo.
Does this mean that BC might be operating some journeys of PB have some of the Dennis on transfer?
well it is highly unlikley for tridents to transfer to PB as PB have never operated tridents before (And i mean ALX400 before someone says Trident Enviro).
Quote from: Tony on September 18, 2013, 07:39:16 AM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 17, 2013, 10:56:23 PM
Another Gemini on Route5 evening
Perry Barr don't run a route 5?
Sorry, Was using my phone Yesterday when I posted that and thought I had it under Unusual Workings
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 18, 2013, 04:21:58 PM
I'm pretty sure I saw a Dennis Trident on the 94 earlier this afternoon (so not the Volvo ALX400), was driving and noticed it did not have the grill on the back so assuming it was not a volvo.
Does this mean that BC might be operating some journeys or PB have some of the Dennis on transfer?
No Tridents at PB. No BC on the 94, must have been a 90
Quote from: Tony on September 18, 2013, 06:14:51 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 18, 2013, 04:21:58 PM
I'm pretty sure I saw a Dennis Trident on the 94 earlier this afternoon (so not the Volvo ALX400), was driving and noticed it did not have the grill on the back so assuming it was not a volvo.
Does this mean that BC might be operating some journeys or PB have some of the Dennis on transfer?
No Tridents at PB. No BC on the 94, must have been a 90
Was deffo the 94 as the 90 was in front they were running together. 94 was behind.
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 18, 2013, 05:00:50 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 18, 2013, 07:39:16 AM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 17, 2013, 10:56:23 PM
Another Gemini on Route5 evening
Perry Barr don't run a route 5?
Sorry, Was using my phone Yesterday when I posted that and thought I had it under Unusual Workings
Gems are daily occurrences pretty much on the 451.
But not in the evening is it? Single Deck operated in the evening
Seeing a fair few Omnilinks on the Sutton lines recently, just saw 1877 on the 902. No idea which boards they're on so it might be peak only boards but I don't recall seeing them until recently
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 19, 2013, 03:50:46 PM
But not in the evening is it? Single Deck operated in the evening
On different days last week, 4528, 4513 and 4638 were all out in the evening, if I recall correctly, around 2000-2100.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on September 19, 2013, 08:50:50 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 19, 2013, 03:50:46 PM
But not in the evening is it? Single Deck operated in the evening
On different days last week, 4528, 4513 and 4638 were all out in the evening, if I recall correctly, around 2000-2100.
Im usually in bed at 22:30 on my DS or on this ;) and as I live at the back of the 5 route heard Gemini's sounding a bit rough
4718 has now gained NXWM logos, is this the 1st PB enviro to receive them
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 24, 2013, 12:59:47 PM
4718 has now gained NXWM logos, is this the 1st PB enviro to receive them
Not to sure, saw one today with them but couldn't identify what bus it was, What route did you see 4718 on?
Quote from: Lukeee on September 24, 2013, 10:53:20 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 24, 2013, 12:59:47 PM
4718 has now gained NXWM logos, is this the 1st PB enviro to receive them
Not to sure, saw one today with them but couldn't identify what bus it was, What route did you see 4718 on?
At least Perry Barr have made a start on replacing logos. The NXWM logos would smarten up the remaining TWM liveried B7TL/ALX400s
Quote from: John on September 24, 2013, 10:58:01 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on September 24, 2013, 10:53:20 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 24, 2013, 12:59:47 PM
4718 has now gained NXWM logos, is this the 1st PB enviro to receive them
Not to sure, saw one today with them but couldn't identify what bus it was, What route did you see 4718 on?
At least Perry Barr have made a start on replacing logos. The NXWM logos would smarten up the remaining TWM liveried B7TL/ALX400s
I wonder if this is a scheme across all garages, first BC with their Tridents, then WN with their Tridents and Mercs, now seemingly PB with their Enviros... (wonder if the Omnicities and 4495 will get them?)
That leaves PN with their Mercs and 4135/4199, WB with their Mercs, ALX400s and Darts, and WA with their Tridents.
I'm pretty sure it was mentioned somewhere there is a team going around all the garages one by one changing the logos over?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 24, 2013, 12:59:47 PM
4718 has now gained NXWM logos, is this the 1st PB enviro to receive them
No there is a few others that have gained NXWM Logos I know 4725 is one of them
4718 was on the Sutton lines 902/4/5 when I seen it, not sure if, also seen 4728 with the new logos too
Most TWM liveried buses started getting NXWM logos when they received the green route branding. Take Walsall's 41**s for instance
They were only the branded buses and not all TWM buses though
4199 has got the TWM logo on the front and NXWM logos on the side if I'm not corrected.
Also has the 33 got an extra journey or are they missing a 33 branded enviro as everyday I've seen a non Enviro bus running on the 33 ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 25, 2013, 12:29:37 PM
4199 has got the TWM logo on the front and NXWM logos on the side if I'm not corrected.
That's because it received the green branding for the Bristol Road
Quote from: Sh4166 on September 25, 2013, 12:37:05 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 25, 2013, 12:29:37 PM
4199 has got the TWM logo on the front and NXWM logos on the side if I'm not corrected.
That's because it received the green branding for the Bristol Road
Yes that Right Nathan. The Pershore Road branded 461* Tridents have had the NXWM logo on the blue under the lower windows removed, and the NXWM logo put on the red, makes them look very smart at long last
As long as 4718 isn't repainted anytime soon
Quote from: BU07 LGO on September 25, 2013, 09:23:20 PM
As long as 4718 isn't repainted anytime soon
Im not looking forward to when the Ominicitys & 4697/4698 get repainted
I do have to say that 4724 does look very smart in Toothpaste livery with the new logos though :D
(Still hoping to find 4730!)
1838 and about a third of the Enviro400s now have NXWM logos.
4718, 4724, 4728, 4731 are ones I saw and got pics of
No sign of 4495, and none of the ALX400s have had NXWM logos yet
Did you see 4730 ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 26, 2013, 11:26:24 PM
Did you see 4730 ?
Yes, got a pic of it on the 902
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9953582233/
Quote from: John on September 27, 2013, 09:35:52 AM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 26, 2013, 11:26:24 PM
Did you see 4730 ?
Yes, got a pic of it on the 902
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9953582233/
I don't know if its the lens filter used, or the bus itself; but that looks damn smart!! Best looking bus I've seen for ages.
Anyone know when PB last used a scania on the 902/4/5 ? Not seen one for a while on there
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 27, 2013, 12:19:14 PM
Anyone know when PB last used a scania on the 902/4/5 ? Not seen one for a while on there
regularly
Quote from: Liverpool Street on September 27, 2013, 10:01:42 AM
Quote from: John on September 27, 2013, 09:35:52 AM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 26, 2013, 11:26:24 PM
Did you see 4730 ?
Yes, got a pic of it on the 902
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9953582233/
I don't know if its the lens filter used, or the bus itself; but that looks damn smart!! Best looking bus I've seen for ages.
Yep, definitely done a good job, I'm actually all for the red between the destination display, I know others don't agree but I think it looks much smarter
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 27, 2013, 12:19:14 PM
Anyone know when PB last used a scania on the 902/4/5 ? Not seen one for a while on there
A least one on there (902) either yesterday or the day before.
me personally I haven't seen on for a while, last scania i seen on the 902/4/5 was and EX Dundee Ominilink :-\
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 27, 2013, 04:47:29 PM
me personally I haven't seen on for a while, last scania i seen on the 902/4/5 was and EX Dundee Ominilink :-\
Seen a few Omnicitys on the 902/4/5. Saw one two Sundays back
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 27, 2013, 09:19:36 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 27, 2013, 04:47:29 PM
me personally I haven't seen on for a while, last scania i seen on the 902/4/5 was and EX Dundee Ominilink :-\
Seen a few Omnicitys on the 902/4/5. Saw one two Sundays back
seen 4777 today on the 902/4/5, not seen one on the 115/914 for a while
One of the OmniCitys (4779 I think) now has NXWM logos, on the 907 today
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 27, 2013, 09:29:47 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 27, 2013, 09:19:36 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 27, 2013, 04:47:29 PM
me personally I haven't seen on for a while, last scania i seen on the 902/4/5 was and EX Dundee Ominilink :-\
Seen a few Omnicitys on the 902/4/5. Saw one two Sundays back
seen 4777 today on the 902/4/5, not seen one on the 115/914 for a while
Me and Nath rode 4777 yesterday on the 15:50 904 from Birmingham :)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 30, 2013, 01:46:02 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 27, 2013, 09:29:47 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 27, 2013, 09:19:36 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 27, 2013, 04:47:29 PM
me personally I haven't seen on for a while, last scania i seen on the 902/4/5 was and EX Dundee Ominilink :-\
Seen a few Omnicitys on the 902/4/5. Saw one two Sundays back
seen 4777 today on the 902/4/5, not seen one on the 115/914 for a while
Me and Nath rode 4777 yesterday on the 15:50 904 from Birmingham :)
off to find 4777/78/81 later :) last 3 I Need
has 4226 still got the blank green branding not seen it since 28th March 2013
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 30, 2013, 02:32:52 PM
has 4226 still got the blank green branding not seen it since 28th March 2013
No, not anymore
anyone else 4226 ? as I haven't in nearly 7months :o
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 30, 2013, 02:41:14 PM
anyone else 4226 ? as I haven't in nearly 7months :o
It's at WB now, along with 4225. Here 4226 is on the 16:-
http://www.flickr.com/photos/53123787@N07/9504796446/in/photolist-ftUyQN-a5Td8m
Credit to photographer, John :).
4721s new logo is already peeling off on the front - the middle part of the W is falling down.
4778 - gained the NXWM logos out on the 904
has 4777 ever had TWM logos ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 30, 2013, 09:23:10 PM
has 4777 ever had TWM logos ?
None of them have, apart from 4697
Quote from: John on September 30, 2013, 09:25:50 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 30, 2013, 09:23:10 PM
has 4777 ever had TWM logos ?
None of them have, apart from 4697
Didn't think they had as I never had seen them with a Twm logo, but now there gaining the NXWM logos which looks strange, I imagine 4697&98 will get the NXWM logos too
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 30, 2013, 09:31:12 PM
I imagine 4697&98 will get the NXWM logos too
All buses will in the end yes Nathan
Thanks johN
regards to the NXWM logos are they put on any old how or postioned etc, I ask this because today in Hamstead I seen
4261 logos - looking like they'd been put on with some care
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10038245785/
4259 - up the other side ?, also with the paint work coming off :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10038252936/
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 01, 2013, 03:22:45 PM
regards to the NXWM logos are they put on any old how or postioned etc, I ask this because today in Hamstead I seen
4261 logos - looking like they'd been put on with some care
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10038245785/
4259 - up the other side ?, also with the paint work coming off :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10038252936/
4259 is a vinyl NXWM livery wrap bus and not a proper repaint, that's why it is peeling off and the logos all over the place (Old iPod advert bus, along with 4263). 4261 is a proper repaint, and looks in very good nick still.
Quote from: John on October 01, 2013, 03:25:17 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 01, 2013, 03:22:45 PM
regards to the NXWM logos are they put on any old how or postioned etc, I ask this because today in Hamstead I seen
4261 logos - looking like they'd been put on with some care
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10038245785/
4259 - up the other side ?, also with the paint work coming off :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10038252936/
4259 is a vinyl NXWM livery wrap bus and not a proper repaint, that's why it is peeling off and the logos all over the place (Old iPod advert bus, along with 4263). 4261 is a proper repaint, and looks in very good nick still.
Will 4259 recive a proper repaint soon then, before more starts to peel off ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 01, 2013, 03:28:37 PM
Will 4259 recive a proper repaint soon then, before more starts to peel off ?
No idea. I would hope so, as it looks one of the worst condition buses running out of Perry Barr
Quote from: John on October 01, 2013, 03:30:46 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 01, 2013, 03:28:37 PM
Will 4259 recive a proper repaint soon then, before more starts to peel off ?
No idea. I would hope so, as it looks one of the worst condition buses running out of Perry Barr
Some of WB Branded ALX400's are starting to go down hill a Little I think,theres a also a WA Trident (4130) I think which looks a right state ? keep meaning to get a picture of it
Saw 4779 and 4780 both with NXWM logos earlier.
Anyone know why 1868 was parked up on Colemore Circus with no driver present ?
4852 - now got the 33 Circle and NXWM logos on the side :)
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 03, 2013, 04:12:58 PM
Anyone know why 1868 was parked up on Colemore Circus with no driver present ?
What time Nathan?
Maybe parked up before starting a PM peak service
Have any more Perry Barr buses gained the NXWM logos yet?
About 2:45, there was inspector there an 4 police men :/
Seen 4245 on the 28E today, at first I thought It was working the route but then looked a my watch an it was 15:17 an thought naah its the school run =D my first veiwing of a decker on the 28 though , if it wasn't for all the kids I would have got off for a pic
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 03, 2013, 07:51:36 PM
About 2:45, there was inspector there an 4 police men :/
Seen 4245 on the 28E today, at first I thought It was working the route but then looked a my watch an it was 15:17 an thought naah its the school run =D my first veiwing of a decker on the 28 though , if it wasn't for all the kids I would have got off for a pic
4245 was on the 33 heading towards Pheasey at Hawthorn Road around 2.45pm. So it must go to Pheasey and then run to Great Barr School to take up the 28E working
Quote from: John on October 03, 2013, 08:23:17 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 03, 2013, 07:51:36 PM
About 2:45, there was inspector there an 4 police men :/
Seen 4245 on the 28E today, at first I thought It was working the route but then looked a my watch an it was 15:17 an thought naah its the school run =D my first veiwing of a decker on the 28 though , if it wasn't for all the kids I would have got off for a pic
4245 was on the 33 heading towards Pheasey at Hawthorn Road around 2.45pm. So it must go to Pheasey and then run to Great Barr School to take up the 28E working
John Do you know what time it gets to Dyas Road roughly ?
Quote from: John on October 03, 2013, 07:18:54 PM
Have any more Perry Barr buses gained the NXWM logos yet?
4698 http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4698.html
1838 http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1750-1953/1838.html
are two more I noticed today
on a Sunday is the 67 any double decker operated or certain Doubles i.e Ominicitys & Gemini's ?? just wondering as 4778 is my last Ominicity and wonderd if it COULD be on the 67 tomorrow if its Ominicity ran :)
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 05, 2013, 05:49:12 PM
on a Sunday is the 67 any double decker operated or certain Doubles i.e Ominicitys & Gemini's ?? just wondering as 4778 is my last Ominicity and wonderd if it COULD be on the 67 tomorrow if its Ominicity ran :)
It is usually Geminis but anything can appear on a Sunday. 4698 is on there today
The OmniCitys may still be on the 907 on a Sunday, I don't know what the 907 is ran with on a Sunday, but I would think it would be the same as any other day
Quote from: John on October 05, 2013, 05:51:27 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 05, 2013, 05:49:12 PM
on a Sunday is the 67 any double decker operated or certain Doubles i.e Ominicitys & Gemini's ?? just wondering as 4778 is my last Ominicity and wonderd if it COULD be on the 67 tomorrow if its Ominicity ran :)
It is usually Geminis but anything can appear on a Sunday. 4698 is on there today
Cheers John, so Ominicity's are still on the 907 on Sundays
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 05, 2013, 05:52:49 PM
Cheers John, so Ominicity's are still on the 907 on Sundays
I would think so yes, have not seen the 907 on a Sunday for a while, so am not sure
Quote from: John on October 05, 2013, 05:54:27 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 05, 2013, 05:52:49 PM
Cheers John, so Ominicity's are still on the 907 on Sundays
I would think so yes, have not seen the 907 on a Sunday for a while, so am not sure
knowing mu luck this week it wont be out ::), but thanks anyway john
Check the 904 aswell Nathan :) Caught 4777 on there last Sunday
I will do Nath thanks, but with it being Sunday it might even be out but ill keep my eyes out for it (:
Tends to be a mix of Geminis, Enviros and Omnicitys on the 907 on Sunday.
Quote from: Lukeee on October 06, 2013, 08:29:15 AM
Tends to be a mix of Geminis, Enviros and Omnicitys on the 907 on Sunday.
Doesn't it interwork with the 914 on sundays?
Quote from: Kevin on October 06, 2013, 08:44:23 AM
Quote from: Lukeee on October 06, 2013, 08:29:15 AM
Tends to be a mix of Geminis, Enviros and Omnicitys on the 907 on Sunday.
Doesn't it interwork with the 914 on sundays?
Think it does, hence the random allocation of buses
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 05, 2013, 05:49:12 PM
on a Sunday is the 67 any double decker operated or certain Doubles i.e Ominicitys & Gemini's ?? just wondering as 4778 is my last Ominicity and wonderd if it COULD be on the 67 tomorrow if its Ominicity ran :)
4778 is on the 907 today
Quote from: Lukeee on October 06, 2013, 12:25:45 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 05, 2013, 05:49:12 PM
on a Sunday is the 67 any double decker operated or certain Doubles i.e Ominicitys & Gemini's ?? just wondering as 4778 is my last Ominicity and wonderd if it COULD be on the 67 tomorrow if its Ominicity ran :)
4778 is on the 907 today
what time was this ?
I saw a Gemini, Enviro & Omnicity on the 907/914 today
SEEN 4726 on the 907, and seen 4780 on the 907 but not the Ominicity I wanted to see
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 06, 2013, 06:31:15 PM
SEEN 4726 on the 907, and seen 4780 on the 907 but not the Ominicity I wanted to see
I think 4730 was on the 907/914 today, must've been, because it was a repainted Enviro. Sounds like there's a right mix on the 907/914 on Sundays
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 06, 2013, 02:11:01 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on October 06, 2013, 12:25:45 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 05, 2013, 05:49:12 PM
on a Sunday is the 67 any double decker operated or certain Doubles i.e Ominicitys & Gemini's ?? just wondering as 4778 is my last Ominicity and wonderd if it COULD be on the 67 tomorrow if its Ominicity ran :)
4778 is on the 907 today
what time was this ?
Round about 12:15
Quote from: Lukeee on October 06, 2013, 08:47:27 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 06, 2013, 02:11:01 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on October 06, 2013, 12:25:45 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 05, 2013, 05:49:12 PM
on a Sunday is the 67 any double decker operated or certain Doubles i.e Ominicitys & Gemini's ?? just wondering as 4778 is my last Ominicity and wonderd if it COULD be on the 67 tomorrow if its Ominicity ran :)
4778 is on the 907 today
what time was this ?
Round about 12:15
:P I didnt see it but thanks
4852 has also gained the Larger NXWM logos on the front really stands out
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 07, 2013, 10:32:59 AM
4852 has also gained the Larger NXWM logos on the front really stands out
At least it had a front logo now. Has 4851 gained one as well
Not seen 4851 john, but will have a look out when I'm on my way home(:
4259 is peeling more now and is starting to look tatty, possibly out on the 33 as it went up the kings rd and 4850 was coming down possible vehicle swapsie :p
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 08, 2013, 08:59:15 AM
4259 is peeling more now and is starting to look tatty, possibly out on the 33 as it went up the kings rd and 4850 was coming down possible vehicle swapsie :p
There seems to be an ALX400 out on the 33 quite often lately. Someone has suggested that it either goes onto or comes off a 94. Either that or an 48** Enviro400 is off the road.
I do agree with the state of 4259, looks awful. 4263 is not as bad, but is getting there. I think only these and 4379/4383 at Yardley Wood remain with the wrapped livery. Surely these are a priority for repaints
I thought it was an evening trip but neterless one has been on there everyday this week
Everytime I see 4259 its lost a little bit of paint/vinyl, but today it had lost a chunk I was like :o . I would recommend a repaint soon before its peels more an looks worse (:
John, 4851 still has no front logos, out on the 33
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 08, 2013, 09:44:40 AM
John, 4851 still has no front logos, out on the 33
Cheers Nathan. hopefully it gets one soon, as 4851 looks strange and incomplete without one :)
Probably gain a larger one like 4852 (:
Has it already been posted that 4234 is back in service?
If not it is. Saw it today (on the 65 I think?) looking immacculate. It has no advert frames and has lost the large ugly grille next to the rear route number box, i.e. looks like one of the CV ALX B7s from behind now.
If someone's already posted this please ignore.
Quote from: Mike K on October 10, 2013, 10:40:49 PM
Has it already been posted that 4234 is back in service?
If not it is. Saw it today (on the 65 I think?) looking immacculate. It has no advert frames and has lost the large ugly grille next to the rear route number box, i.e. looks like one of the CV ALX B7s from behind now.
If someone's already posted this please ignore.
I did mention it when it first re-entered service a few weeks ago, but you have solved the mystery of someone supposedly sighting a Trident on the 94, as they said that it had no grill on the back, they must have seen 4234 from behind, so thanks Mike for clearing that up
See these posts from last month
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 18, 2013, 10:57:11 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 18, 2013, 06:14:51 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 18, 2013, 04:21:58 PM
I'm pretty sure I saw a Dennis Trident on the 94 earlier this afternoon (so not the Volvo ALX400), was driving and noticed it did not have the grill on the back so assuming it was not a volvo.
Does this mean that BC might be operating some journeys or PB have some of the Dennis on transfer?
No Tridents at PB. No BC on the 94, must have been a 90
Perry Barr have changed their font size and number size on the LED displays. The destination is now like Central's and Acocks Green's, with the destination bigger than the via points.
2 things I noticed that the 902/4/5s now have 'The Yenton' and 'Mere Green' (902/5 only) as new via points, and the 907 now has via 'Perry Barr' as well.
Also 1841 and 4244 now have NXWM logos.
Quote from: John on October 14, 2013, 03:45:28 PM
Perry Barr have changed their font size and number size on the LED displays. The destination is now like Central's and Acocks Green's, with the destination bigger than the via points.
2 things I noticed that the 902/4/5s now have 'The Yenton' and 'Mere Green' (902/5 only) as new via points, and the 907 now has via 'Perry Barr' as well.
Also 1841 and 4244 now have NXWM logos.
I've noticed the rear '16' on LED buses (or at least the Scanias) show a thick '16'
Just for anyone who may see the 3 19** scania ominilinks hoping to get a pic of them tomorrow so if seen much appreciated if you could let me now (: so I can chase after 4900/07+08
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 14, 2013, 09:59:27 PM
Just for anyone who may see the 3 19** scania ominilinks hoping to get a pic of them tomorrow so if seen much appreciated if you could let me now (: so I can chase after 4900/07+08
I'll look out for you Nath and I'll see which routes 4907 & 4908 on aswell plus do you still want me to look out for any of 4440-4446 while I'm at it :)
Thanks Rob, I just need 4441 + 4442. As the rest of the 44* tridents are 97 Branded (:
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 14, 2013, 10:40:39 PM
Thanks Rob, I just need 4441 + 4442. As the rest of the 44* tridents are 97 Branded (:
Nathan, noticing a trend here in that whichever buses you are trying to find seem to spend a lot of time on the 24. 4442 and 4908 were both on there this morning.
On the opposite side of town, avoiding me aha, noticing that too ;)
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 14, 2013, 09:59:27 PM
Just for anyone who may see the 3 19** scania ominilinks hoping to get a pic of them tomorrow so if seen much appreciated if you could let me now (: so I can chase after 4900/07+08
If you have not seen it Nathan, 1906 is on the 46 today
Quote from: John on October 15, 2013, 04:34:32 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 14, 2013, 09:59:27 PM
Just for anyone who may see the 3 19** scania ominilinks hoping to get a pic of them tomorrow so if seen much appreciated if you could let me now (: so I can chase after 4900/07+08
If you have not seen it Nathan, 1906 is on the 46 today
Seen a Ex Dundee Scania and a Ex Cov Ominilink. But Didnt stop off at PB, found 1907 passed me
whilst I was on the 997 on my way home ::) not had a good day today but thanks for that john
1907 on the 997? I doubt it as the 997 is at WA and 1907 is at PB
Quote from: Trident 4609 on October 15, 2013, 07:14:38 PM
1907 on the 997? I doubt it as the 997 is at WA and 1907 is at PB
it passed me whilst on the 997 on the 28 :)
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 15, 2013, 07:17:13 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on October 15, 2013, 07:14:38 PM
1907 on the 997? I doubt it as the 997 is at WA and 1907 is at PB
it passed me whilst on the 997 on the 28 :)
Oh ok. Just the way it was posted it sounded as if you saw it on the 997 ;)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on October 15, 2013, 07:19:45 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 15, 2013, 07:17:13 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on October 15, 2013, 07:14:38 PM
1907 on the 997? I doubt it as the 997 is at WA and 1907 is at PB
it passed me whilst on the 997 on the 28 :)
Oh ok. Just the way it was posted it sounded as if you saw it on the 997 ;)
;) it did yes, apologies should read over what ive typed
4258 now has NXWM logos. Are all the TWM liveried buses at Perry Barr now NXWM logoed?
Has 4697 been done ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 15, 2013, 11:40:28 PM
Has 4697 been done ?
Well John did say all TWM livered PB buses have gained nx logos so to answer your question yes it has :)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on October 16, 2013, 08:19:51 AM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 15, 2013, 11:40:28 PM
Has 4697 been done ?
Well John did say all TWM livered PB buses have gained nx logos so to answer your question yes it has :)
No John was asking if all PB buses have NX logos and Nathan was suggesting 4697 as one that might not
1840 has been done as well.
As for 4697, I would think it may have them now, but I have not seen it for a while now so can not say for certain
Were does the 28 actually finish at Heartlands Hospital, as I got a picture of a solo a it further down from the Hosp but haven't seen nothing there since ? just wondering as most the PB Scanias I need are probably on the 28 or 66 :)
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 17, 2013, 11:59:43 AM
Were does the 28 actually finish at Heartlands Hospital, as I got a picture of a solo a it further down from the Hosp but haven't seen nothing there since ? just wondering as most the PB Scanias I need are probably on the 28 or 66 :)
Nathan, if you are looking for OmniLinks, go to Erdington. 28, 66, 66a and 638 all go there. Plus you will see them quickly as you are in the middle of the 28 and 66 and not at one end like at Heartlands
If,as predicted,the next 26 Enviros are for Sutton routes would it be too much to hope they can be left in livery and not covered with multi-coloured graffiti or branding as it is euphamistically called.
As a Sutton resident for many years,I have found the locals can all read destination blinds perfectly well and do not need any further indication of routing............God preserve us also from this hideous new idea of naming the buses.
I am pretty sure that these pleas will be disregarded,but it would be wonderful to see the entire fleet in one dignified livery and the complete abandonment of the continual "TrentBartonisation"of everything.
Quote from: arrifirststage on October 17, 2013, 03:13:25 PM
If,as predicted,the next 26 Enviros are for Sutton routes would it be too much to hope they can be left in livery and not covered with multi-coloured graffiti or branding as it is euphamistically called.
As a Sutton resident for many years,I have found the locals can all read destination blinds perfectly well and do not need any further indication of routing............God preserve us also from this hideous new idea of naming the buses.
I am pretty sure that these pleas will be disregarded,but it would be wonderful to see the entire fleet in one dignified livery and the complete abandonment of the continual "TrentBartonisation"of everything.
Afraid not, it has already been confirmed that the E400's will be having a black branding
Quote from: John on October 17, 2013, 01:09:43 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 17, 2013, 11:59:43 AM
Were does the 28 actually finish at Heartlands Hospital, as I got a picture of a solo a it further down from the Hosp but haven't seen nothing there since ? just wondering as most the PB Scanias I need are probably on the 28 or 66 :)
Nathan, if you are looking for OmniLinks, go to Erdington. 28, 66, 66a and 638 all go there. Plus you will see them quickly as you are in the middle of the 28 and 66 and not at one end like at Heartlands
Thanks John, that actually never crossed my mind :) quite close to completing my PB ominilinks & BY :D, so want to complete it before 2013 Decemeber
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 17, 2013, 05:40:01 PM
Thanks John, that actually never crossed my mind :) quite close to completing my PB ominilinks & BY :D, so want to complete it before 2013 Decemeber
No worries Nathan. That is what I done when the Dundee OmniLinks entered service to quickly find them. As for Bordesley, if I see a repainted OmniLink, I will quickly get a pic, but when I get my proper camera back, I will go out of town to get pics of them.
Which ones do you still need to find?
Also, all of the 'Toothpaste' OmniLinks now have NXWM logos, plus all TWM liveried ALX400s apart from 4262 now have NXWM logos also
Quote from: John on October 17, 2013, 05:43:35 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 17, 2013, 05:40:01 PM
Thanks John, that actually never crossed my mind :) quite close to completing my PB ominilinks & BY :D, so want to complete it before 2013 Decemeber
No worries Nathan. That is what I done when the Dundee OmniLinks entered service to quickly find them. As for Bordesley, if I see a repainted OmniLink, I will quickly get a pic, but when I get my proper camera back, I will go out of town to get pics of them.
Which ones do you still need to find?
Also, all of the 'Toothpaste' OmniLinks now have NXWM logos, plus all TWM liveried ALX400s apart from 4262 now have NXWM logos also
TWM Livery wise;
1838;
1841
1842
1843
only last leather seated I need
1846
and to better my pics of the others now I have a Camera and not my mobile
Dundee Ominilinks & think 5/6 Ex Coventry Scania
& 1905/6/7
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 17, 2013, 05:47:03 PM
TWM Livery wise;
1838;
1841
1842
1843
only last leather seated I need
1846
and to better my pics of the others now I have a Camera and not my mobile
Dundee Ominilinks & think 5/6 Ex Coventry Scania
& 1905/6/7
I know it is probably too late, but 1838 was on the 638. I also saw 1841, but can not remember where. The 66A had 1877 and another ex-Coventry OmniLink. Can not recall seeing 1846 on the 952
Quote from: John on October 17, 2013, 05:50:31 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 17, 2013, 05:47:03 PM
TWM Livery wise;
1838;
1841
1842
1843
only last leather seated I need
1846
and to better my pics of the others now I have a Camera and not my mobile
Dundee Ominilinks & think 5/6 Ex Coventry Scania
& 1905/6/7
I know it is probably too late, but 1838 was on the 638. I also saw 1841, but can not remember where. The 66A had 1877 and another ex-Coventry OmniLink. Can not recall seeing 1846 on the 952
When I was down Dyas road spotted a few EX cov scanias running in a convoy but forgot my batteries so had to go home ::)
Hopefully Monday complete my PB Ominilink set then do BY hopefully, but will find the BY set harder as I wont go on the 8A/C to find them
Was 7067 the only B7RLE at PB before it went to Dundee or was there a batch of them
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10364739294/ (Found whilst sorting through some pictures :o not mine belonged to a friend)
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 19, 2013, 06:08:39 PM
Was 7067 the only B7RLE at PB before it went to Dundee or was there a batch of them
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10364739294/ (Found whilst sorting through some pictures :o not mine belonged to a friend)
7067 is not a B7RLE, but a B7L, quite a different beast altogether. It was 1481 when it was at Perry Barr. I must try to find my photo of it at Solihull Station when I was driving it on the 966
Quote from: Tony on October 19, 2013, 06:21:22 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 19, 2013, 06:08:39 PM
Was 7067 the only B7RLE at PB before it went to Dundee or was there a batch of them
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10364739294/ (Found whilst sorting through some pictures :o not mine belonged to a friend)
7067 is not a B7RLE, but a B7L, quite a different beast altogether. It was 1481 when it was at Perry Barr. I must try to find my photo of it at Solihull Station when I was driving it on the 966
Looks like the older WA B7RLE's will change it though thanks for that, was 1481 the on B7L at PB ? & how many did AG have or was it on loan at the time ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 19, 2013, 06:24:15 PM
Looks like the older WA B7RLE's will change it though thanks for that, was 1481 the on B7L at PB ? & how many did AG have or was it on loan at the time ?
Perry Barr operated the 966 at the time. 1481 was the only one of its type with TWM
Quote from: John on October 19, 2013, 06:31:20 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 19, 2013, 06:24:15 PM
Looks like the older WA B7RLE's will change it though thanks for that, was 1481 the on B7L at PB ? & how many did AG have or was it on loan at the time ?
Perry Barr operated the 966 at the time. 1481 was the only one of its type with TWM
Thanks John, was that when it ran the same route it does now or was there changes.
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 19, 2013, 06:33:49 PM
Thanks John, was that when it ran the same route it does now or was there changes.
1481 went up to Dundee in 2003. I think 1481 was at Perry Barr when it was Sutton - Solihull, but am not sure on this
I don't remember when the route was cut from Sutton to Erdington. The previous 966s were discussed in the Acocks Green thread, but I can not see any reference there to when the route was cut from Sutton to Erdington.
Quote from: John on October 19, 2013, 06:40:07 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 19, 2013, 06:33:49 PM
Thanks John, was that when it ran the same route it does now or was there changes.
1481 went up to Dundee in 2003. I think 1481 was at Perry Barr when it was Sutton - Solihull, but am not sure on this
I don't remember when the route was cut from Sutton to Erdington. The previous 966s were discussed in the Acocks Green thread, but I can not see any reference there to when the route was cut from Sutton to Erdington.
The route never was Sutton Coldfield to Solihull
The various phases have been
Wolverhampton - Airport
Walsall - Airport
Erdington - Solihull
Touchwood Centre paid a subsidy to have it extended to Solihull, so the Walsall - Erdington bit was cut at the same time and the route transferred WA to PB. The 366 (now 6) was reintroduced at the same time between Walsall & Sutton with Evening and Sunday extensions to Erdington
Quote from: John on October 19, 2013, 06:40:07 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 19, 2013, 06:33:49 PM
Thanks John, was that when it ran the same route it does now or was there changes.
1481 went up to Dundee in 2003. I think 1481 was at Perry Barr when it was Sutton - Solihull, but am not sure on this
I don't remember when the route was cut from Sutton to Erdington. The previous 966s were discussed in the Acocks Green thread, but I can not see any reference there to when the route was cut from Sutton to Erdington.
Here is 1481 at Solihull Station
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1317-1514/1481.html
(bottom photo on page)
not sure if 1906 broke down on the 638 or what, seen it serval times in Castle Vale but then only 1841 & 1905 were left on the 638 ?
4242 on the 2.15pm 33 from City. This might be a regular working for this board, as there is usually 1 B7TL/ALX400 on the 33 most days, if not, then an unusual working, or an Enviro400 is missing
With Tony's latest photo of Scania Omnicity double decker 4779, it's notable that it is the first time any of the five have worn fleetnames since being delivered new in 2008
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4779.html
Does the 66A interwork with anything in the mornings ?
Have anymore PB enviros left except for 4731 ?.
4915 & 4918 were out today and the Branding is the same style as the 934/935/936 but was blue/black and had every 7 mins on the back and had the stripe down where the red and white meet same as the 900/957 with silver and they both had names but couldn't make them out
I like the branding :)
Quote from: Rob4367 on October 30, 2013, 12:55:06 PM
4915 & 4918 were out today and the Branding is the same style as the 934/935/936 but was blue/black and had every 7 mins on the back and had the stripe down where the red and white meet same as the 900/957 with silver and they both had names but couldn't make them out
I like the branding :)
Blimey those have snuck down from ADL Scarborough & entered service quickly without anyone seeing them!
Does anyone know if PB will be receiving all 26 x E400's outstanding? Isn't 26 more than the Pvr of the combined Sutton Lines routes?
4916 is named Sharleene, named after my close freinds sister (:
Quote from: Winston on October 30, 2013, 12:59:44 PM
Does anyone know if PB will be receiving all 26 x E400's outstanding? Isn't 26 more than the Pvr of the combined Sutton Lines routes?
Maybe the unbranded one will be used on the 907, 115 and 914. Remember when the Volvo B7TLs were new for the Sutton lines in 2001, 25 were branded (4279-4304), 4290 onwards were de-branded and moved about, 4290-99 going to Hockley, and 4300-4 heading North to Dundee. Either they will be used on the other Birmingham to Sutton services, or another garage may have 10
Anyway, here is 4916
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/10574490235/
I saw one earlier from a distance. It looks fantastic. At first I thought there was a gap between the blue and the red, but as the photo shows, it is silver.
Quote from: John on October 30, 2013, 02:23:56 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 30, 2013, 12:59:44 PM
Does anyone know if PB will be receiving all 26 x E400's outstanding? Isn't 26 more than the Pvr of the combined Sutton Lines routes?
Maybe the unbranded one will be used on the 907, 115 and 914. Remember when the Volvo B7TLs were new for the Sutton lines in 2001, 25 were branded (4279-4304), 4290 onwards were de-branded and moved about, 4290-99 going to Hockley, and 4300-4 heading North to Dundee. Either they will be used on the other Birmingham to Sutton services, or another garage may have 10
Anyway, here is 4916
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/10574490235/
Thanks John, I couldn't remember the original allocation of B7TL/ALX400's, I was working on the original E400's 4698 & 4718-4737 (21 in total)
Branding look's smart, yes I agree PB should use any spares on the 115, 907 & 914
Quote from: John on October 30, 2013, 02:23:56 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 30, 2013, 12:59:44 PM
Does anyone know if PB will be receiving all 26 x E400's outstanding? Isn't 26 more than the Pvr of the combined Sutton Lines routes?
Anyway, here is 4916
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/10574490235/
good shot of 4916 :) mine was of poor quality as I seen when I got out the car;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10576449785/
Did anyone else see anymore other than 4916 & 4918 ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 30, 2013, 04:30:45 PM
Did anyone else see anymore other than 4916 & 4918 ?
Someone else has said 4915 was also out today
In the process of new arrivals entering service, what has to be done to them before they enter service ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 30, 2013, 04:36:11 PM
In the process of new arrivals entering service, what has to be done to them before they enter service ?
Ticket Machines fitted
Perry Barr destinations uploaded to bus
They may also have to be inspected before entering service
Quote from: John on October 30, 2013, 04:38:34 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 30, 2013, 04:36:11 PM
In the process of new arrivals entering service, what has to be done to them before they enter service ?
Ticket Machines fitted
Perry Barr destinations uploaded to bus
They may also have to be inspected before entering service
Not too much then as they've entered service pretty quick really
Well off out too see 4918 and 4915 hopefully :)
Also noticed that on the upper Decker at the front of 4916 it has the fleet number too ?
Quote from: John on October 30, 2013, 04:38:34 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 30, 2013, 04:36:11 PM
In the process of new arrivals entering service, what has to be done to them before they enter service ?
Ticket Machines fitted
Perry Barr destinations uploaded to bus
They may also have to be inspected before entering service
They may also need Radio's fitting unless this is now done at the manufacturers?
Thanks John & Nathan, have shared your pics on my Facebook page :D
No problem stu,
If not mentioned 4697 has gained the NXWM logos, snapped it on the 907
4915 is named Keyanna, I take it the PB batch will have Caribbean/african names ?
One of the evening timetabled 33E's to Perry Barr is ran using a ALX soo take it the 2 that are timetabled are from the 94
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 29, 2013, 03:12:40 PM
Have anymore PB enviros left except for 4731 ?.
4725 and 4726, with the entry into service of 4915/6/8 yesterday.
I wonder if there are a few more out today, I'm not able to get out now till Saturday to see if there are any more
Quote from: John on October 31, 2013, 09:13:08 AM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 29, 2013, 03:12:40 PM
Have anymore PB enviros left except for 4731 ?.
4725 and 4726, with the entry into service of 4915/6/8 yesterday.
I wonder if there are a few more out today, I'm not able to get out now till Saturday to see if there are any more
I'm wondering if the moves are happening so quickly due to the latest batch of E400's being prep'd for service elsewhere and swapped on a 1 for 1 basis at PB with the buses being cascaded out, the same happened with the previous batch of E400's at PB due to not having enough room to accommodate both. PB has only lost the 5 x E400's to WA with the 934 since then......
Possible fleet transfer
10 47xx to Yardley Wood
10 YW Trident to Walsall
10 WA Scania to Yardley Wood replace 14xx
Quote from: John on October 31, 2013, 09:13:08 AM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 29, 2013, 03:12:40 PM
Have anymore PB enviros left except for 4731 ?.
4725 and 4726, with the entry into service of 4915/6/8 yesterday.
I wonder if there are a few more out today, I'm not able to get out now till Saturday to see if there are any more
Hopefully I will see 4719, 20 & 22 Today or Tomorrow to complete my PB set :)
Have 4725/6 gone to YW OR BC OR ???
Quote from: lynx1103 on October 31, 2013, 10:14:51 AM
Possible fleet transfer
10 47xx to Yardley Wood
10 YW Trident to Walsall
10 WA Scania to Yardley Wood replace 14xx
It would have been possible previously,
But the ex YW Tridents are heading to PE with 4348 & 4353 noted in service so far, I assume 4349-4352 at least will not be far behind. You proposal could still work, but I suspect PE are down to receive more than 6 x Tridents
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 31, 2013, 10:42:20 AM
Quote from: John on October 31, 2013, 09:13:08 AM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 29, 2013, 03:12:40 PM
Have anymore PB enviros left except for 4731 ?.
4725 and 4726, with the entry into service of 4915/6/8 yesterday.
I wonder if there are a few more out today, I'm not able to get out now till Saturday to see if there are any more
Hopefully I will see 4719, 20 & 22 Today or Tomorrow to complete my PB set :)
Have 4725/6 gone to YW OR BC OR ???
4725 & 4726 have gone to YW, as posted in the YW thread
Quote from: Winston on October 31, 2013, 10:42:51 AM
Quote from: lynx1103 on October 31, 2013, 10:14:51 AM
Possible fleet transfer
10 47xx to Yardley Wood
10 YW Trident to Walsall
10 WA Scania to Yardley Wood replace 14xx
It would have been possible previously,
But the ex YW Tridents are heading to PE with 4348 & 4353 noted in service so far, I assume 4349-4352 at least will not be far behind. You proposal could still work, but I suspect PE are down to receive more than 6 x Tridents
It wouldn't work unless Walsall are planning to convert an OmniLink route to double decker operation, as they would be losing OmniLinks for Tridents.
I do see where lynx1103 is coming from, replacing the last Yardley Wood B10Ls
Quote from: Winston on October 31, 2013, 10:44:19 AM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 31, 2013, 10:42:20 AM
Quote from: John on October 31, 2013, 09:13:08 AM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 29, 2013, 03:12:40 PM
Have anymore PB enviros left except for 4731 ?.
4725 and 4726, with the entry into service of 4915/6/8 yesterday.
I wonder if there are a few more out today, I'm not able to get out now till Saturday to see if there are any more
Hopefully I will see 4719, 20 & 22 Today or Tomorrow to complete my PB set :)
Have 4725/6 gone to YW OR BC OR ???
4725 & 4726 have gone to YW, as posted in the YW thread
Hadn't got round to reading the postsin the YW thread, apologies
Quote from: John on October 31, 2013, 10:47:04 AM
Quote from: Winston on October 31, 2013, 10:42:51 AM
Quote from: lynx1103 on October 31, 2013, 10:14:51 AM
Possible fleet transfer
10 47xx to Yardley Wood
10 YW Trident to Walsall
10 WA Scania to Yardley Wood replace 14xx
It would have been possible previously,
But the ex YW Tridents are heading to PE with 4348 & 4353 noted in service so far, I assume 4349-4352 at least will not be far behind. You proposal could still work, but I suspect PE are down to receive more than 6 x Tridents
It wouldn't work unless Walsall are planning to convert an OmniLink route to double decker operation, as they would be losing OmniLinks for Tridents.
I do see where lynx1103 is coming from, replacing the last Yardley Wood B10Ls
That was the general idea to allow YW to remove the last 9 x B10L from service. Wouldn't have thought it would be an issue for WA to have fewer single dckers & more double deckers. But this is now not likely to happen with the current moves being played out
Lost track when did all the info cme through about PB's En400 going to YW. Anyone know about the plans to upgrade 45/47/94 or they likely to get new stock now? Thank you.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 31, 2013, 01:28:29 PM
Lost track when did all the info cme through about PB's En400 going to YW. Anyone know about the plans to upgrade 45/47/94 or they likely to get new stock now? Thank you.
Mon this week when 4731 turned up at YW & 4348 at PE,
4725 & 4726 have since moved to YW, with 4353 moving to PE last night by the looks of it after the first 3 E400's entered service at PB i.e. 4915, 4916 & 4918
If the 45 & 47 are being upgraded, I would think it would now be with new E400's either Feb 2014 to coincide with the South B'ham review or as soon as NX 2014 bus orders start to arrive. As for the 94, no idea now the 07/57 E400's have gone to YW.
I think the 94 will be 'upgraded' with Geminis. There are a lot more regular on the 94 these days.
Quote from: Gareth on October 31, 2013, 04:07:11 PM
I think the 94 will be 'upgraded' with Geminis. There are a lot more regular on the 94 these days.
Possibly, may be a batch will be branded from 4475-4502 & 4515/6. But that would result in another PB route being downgraded to older ALX400's. It's unlikely PB will receive anymore new deckers during 2014
Quote from: Winston on October 31, 2013, 04:14:06 PM
Quote from: Gareth on October 31, 2013, 04:07:11 PM
I think the 94 will be 'upgraded' with Geminis. There are a lot more regular on the 94 these days.
Possibly, may be a batch will be branded from 4475-4502 & 4515/6. But that would result in another PB route being downgraded to older ALX400's. It's unlikely PB will receive anymore new deckers during 2014
May Claribels further prosper with their newer smarter fleet.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 31, 2013, 01:28:29 PM
Lost track when did all the info cme through about PB's En400 going to YW. Anyone know about the plans to upgrade 45/47/94 or they likely to get new stock now? Thank you.
Doesn't seem like it now. The plan now is to send the PB E400's to YW and then some YW tridents to got to Pensnett (4348 and 4353 already in service)
Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 30, 2013, 09:02:44 PM
One of the evening timetabled 33E's to Perry Barr is ran using a ALX soo take it the 2 that are timetabled are from the 94
The one at 18:15 is the one I'll sometimes see if I'm a bit late from work and that definitely is from the 94, can't vouch for the other one but it'd be a safe bet
This is a good way of helping relieving congestion on 33/51 as
City-Perry Barr is the busiest section of this route so
Instead if a 94 running dead to garage run in service as a
33E to Perry Barr relieving conjeston on this part of route
Quote from: John on October 31, 2013, 10:47:04 AM
Quote from: Winston on October 31, 2013, 10:42:51 AM
Quote from: lynx1103 on October 31, 2013, 10:14:51 AM
Possible fleet transfer
10 47xx to Yardley Wood
10 YW Trident to Walsall
10 WA Scania to Yardley Wood replace 14xx
It would have been possible previously,
But the ex YW Tridents are heading to PE with 4348 & 4353 noted in service so far, I assume 4349-4352 at least will not be far behind. You proposal could still work, but I suspect PE are down to receive more than 6 x Tridents
It wouldn't work unless Walsall are planning to convert an OmniLink route to double decker operation, as they would be losing OmniLinks for Tridents.
I do see where lynx1103 is coming from, replacing the last Yardley Wood B10Ls
9 enviro from PB to YW
9 trident from YW to WA for 10/10A
9 Scania from WA to YW to replace B10L
311/313 converted to B7RLE
Best thing I read today is Reiss' suggestion that the bendy Scanias should go to YW, so they can use them on "2 and 3 and other routes that don't have tight turns" ;D
Quote from: Stu on October 31, 2013, 08:24:37 PM
Best thing I read today is Reiss' suggestion that the bendy Scanias should go to YW, so they can use them on "2 and 3 and other routes that don't have tight turns" ;D
They don't get any better.........
I'd love to see a bendybus doing the turn from Yardley Wood Road onto High St on the 2, the omnilinks now only just do it.
Quote from: Winston on October 31, 2013, 08:26:53 PM
Quote from: Stu on October 31, 2013, 08:24:37 PM
Best thing I read today is Reiss' suggestion that the bendy Scanias should go to YW, so they can use them on "2 and 3 and other routes that don't have tight turns" ;D
They don't get any better.........
Has Reiss ever rode the 2 between Yardley Wood and the Maypole (Daisy Farm Road)? The Tridents sometimes struggle down the narrow roads when cars are parked on both sides, so would love to see a Bendi there
Not to mention the 3 route between Acocks Green and Gospel Oak, the Tridents can just about get around the Pool Farm Road area ;D
4914 & 4917 now in service
Just throwing it out there, but couldn't the 94 be upgraded with cascades from another garage, say for instance, if the Dudley Road were to get upgraded next year, the Geminis from the Dudley Road could go onto the 94
Quote from: Sh4166 on November 02, 2013, 12:16:10 AM
Just throwing it out there, but couldn't the 94 be upgraded with cascades from another garage, say for instance, if the Dudley Road were to get upgraded next year, the Geminis from the Dudley Road could go onto the 94
Anything is possible, but I would have thought WB's double deck fleet would benefit from retaining the Gemini's if that was to happen
Still no sign of 4722, this gone to YW ?, seen 4720 thanks to John :)
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 02, 2013, 05:15:56 PM
Still no sign of 4722, this gone to YW ?, seen 4720 thanks to John :)
It was on the 7 Nathan
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/10627863293/
Quote from: John on November 02, 2013, 05:38:09 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 02, 2013, 05:15:56 PM
Still no sign of 4722, this gone to YW ?, seen 4720 thanks to John :)
It was on the 7 Nathan
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/10627863293/
Nope Didnt see it :-\ , hopefully its out tomorrow, fingers crossed
Wally has been wandering down to Plaxton, Scarborough after all ;)
4928 (this has different branding advertising £12 unlimited travel on Sutton Line colour coding)
http://wallys-wanderings.smugmug.com/PlaxtonCoachbuilders/NX-West-Midlands-Enviro-E400s/29332481_4MtKDk#!i=2877796498&k=tVgp8RR
http://wallys-wanderings.smugmug.com/PlaxtonCoachbuilders/NX-West-Midlands-Enviro-E400s/29332481_4MtKDk#!i=2877796430&k=NQPc3jF
Looking at the photo's all branding/ vehicle names / NXWM logo's & even ticket price logo's are all being applied at the manufacturers
Up to 4933 is looking near completion as of yesterday
Quote from: Winston on November 03, 2013, 04:09:20 PM
Wally has been wandering down to Plaxton, Scarborough after all ;)
4928 (this has different branding advertising £12 unlimited travel on Sutton Line colour coding)
http://wallys-wanderings.smugmug.com/PlaxtonCoachbuilders/NX-West-Midlands-Enviro-E400s/29332481_4MtKDk#!i=2877796498&k=tVgp8RR
http://wallys-wanderings.smugmug.com/PlaxtonCoachbuilders/NX-West-Midlands-Enviro-E400s/29332481_4MtKDk#!i=2877796430&k=NQPc3jF
Looking at the photo's all branding/ vehicle names / NXWM logo's & even ticket price logo's are all being applied at the manufacturers
Up to 4933 is looking near completion as of yesterday
Those must be the un-branded Enviro400s then, but branded for the buss pass price advertising. The ones curently in service have near-side adverts advertising the £12 a week travel. Very nice anyway
Do the 904E + 907 or was it the 914 + 907 :/ , one of them still interwork in the evenings.
If not the 4777 ended up on the 914 by the evening after serving its time on the 907
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 04, 2013, 10:48:44 PM
Do the 904E + 907 or was it the 914 + 907 :/ , one of them still interwork in the evenings.
If not the 4777 ended up on the 914 by the evening after serving its time on the 907
Doesn't the 904E run on its own in the evening with one bus?
Looking at the timetable it would look that way, just I seen 4777 on the 907 in the day the 914 in the evening as I mentioned
I've made three clips of 4918
1) Between The Yenton & Erdington
2) On the Aston Expressway
3) Pulling away at Moor Street
I'll post links later
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 05, 2013, 11:25:10 AM
I've made three clips of 4918
1) Between The Yenton & Erdington
2) On the Aston Expressway
3) Pulling away at Moor Street
I'll post links later
Here are the links I promised
The Yenton - Erdington
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnFeKmsMGgc
Aston Expressway
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikgsLCvP148
Moor Street
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS0bHpYC_cE
Are there any more new Enviro400s out yet?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 04, 2013, 10:48:44 PM
Do the 904E + 907 or was it the 914 + 907 :/ , one of them still interwork in the evenings.
If not the 4777 ended up on the 914 by the evening after serving its time on the 907
I belive 907 and 914 interwork on the evenings and sundays
Quote from: Lukeee on November 05, 2013, 09:23:06 PM
I belive 907 and 914 interwork on the evenings and sundays
Its been a while since I have been in Sutton on a Sunday, but I'm sure that is right.
The 107 used to interwork with the 104 back in the day. I think that changed when the 107 became the 907
Quote from: John on November 05, 2013, 08:41:44 PM
Are there any more new Enviro400s out yet?
Was in sutton again today ::) getting sick of the sight of Sutton Lower Parade, but didnt see any other new enviros out today,
Hahahaha - Lower Parade is not a good selling point for this town!
Quote from: Winston on November 03, 2013, 04:09:20 PM
Wally has been wandering down to Plaxton, Scarborough after all ;)
4928 (this has different branding advertising £12 unlimited travel on Sutton Line colour coding)
http://wallys-wanderings.smugmug.com/PlaxtonCoachbuilders/NX-West-Midlands-Enviro-E400s/29332481_4MtKDk#!i=2877796498&k=tVgp8RR
http://wallys-wanderings.smugmug.com/PlaxtonCoachbuilders/NX-West-Midlands-Enviro-E400s/29332481_4MtKDk#!i=2877796430&k=NQPc3jF
Looking at the photo's all branding/ vehicle names / NXWM logo's & even ticket price logo's are all being applied at the manufacturers
Up to 4933 is looking near completion as of yesterday
Extract from Wally's latest visit to Plaxton, Scarborough
At Plaxtons this morning are NX West Midlands
BX63YWT (4931) named Shakirah, chassis 37525, body D402/18
BX63YWZ (4937)
HTIOI* Mike.
*Hope This Is Of Interest (edited for the olduns, cheers Winston. LS)
Quote from: Winston on November 06, 2013, 09:12:54 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 03, 2013, 04:09:20 PM
Wally has been wandering down to Plaxton, Scarborough after all ;)
4928 (this has different branding advertising £12 unlimited travel on Sutton Line colour coding)
http://wallys-wanderings.smugmug.com/PlaxtonCoachbuilders/NX-West-Midlands-Enviro-E400s/29332481_4MtKDk#!i=2877796498&k=tVgp8RR
http://wallys-wanderings.smugmug.com/PlaxtonCoachbuilders/NX-West-Midlands-Enviro-E400s/29332481_4MtKDk#!i=2877796430&k=NQPc3jF
Looking at the photo's all branding/ vehicle names / NXWM logo's & even ticket price logo's are all being applied at the manufacturers
Up to 4933 is looking near completion as of yesterday
Extract from Wally's latest visit to Plaxton, Scarborough
At Plaxtons this morning are NX West Midlands
BX63YWT (4931) named Shakirah, chassis 37525, body D402/18
BX63YWZ (4937)
HTIOI* Mike.
*Hope This Is Of Interest (edited for the olduns, cheers Winston. LS)
Who's Mike?
Presume those reg numbers should say BK instead of BX?
Quote from: Mike K on November 06, 2013, 09:55:43 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 06, 2013, 09:12:54 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 03, 2013, 04:09:20 PM
Wally has been wandering down to Plaxton, Scarborough after all ;)
4928 (this has different branding advertising £12 unlimited travel on Sutton Line colour coding)
http://wallys-wanderings.smugmug.com/PlaxtonCoachbuilders/NX-West-Midlands-Enviro-E400s/29332481_4MtKDk#!i=2877796498&k=tVgp8RR
http://wallys-wanderings.smugmug.com/PlaxtonCoachbuilders/NX-West-Midlands-Enviro-E400s/29332481_4MtKDk#!i=2877796430&k=NQPc3jF
Looking at the photo's all branding/ vehicle names / NXWM logo's & even ticket price logo's are all being applied at the manufacturers
Up to 4933 is looking near completion as of yesterday
Extract from Wally's latest visit to Plaxton, Scarborough
At Plaxtons this morning are NX West Midlands
BX63YWT (4931) named Shakirah, chassis 37525, body D402/18
BX63YWZ (4937)
HTIOI* Mike.
*Hope This Is Of Interest (edited for the olduns, cheers Winston. LS)
Who's Mike?
Presume those reg numbers should say BK instead of BX?
Mike Walli (aka Wally Wanderings Smugmug) - who took the photos at Plaxton, Scarborough and posted the original message
Yes must have been a typo on the original message
Perry barr's Private CG, where does it go, as I've seen down by the aston expressway, new street stn? + were does it start from ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 07, 2013, 04:47:32 PM
Perry barr's Private CG, where does it go, as I've seen down by the aston expressway, new street stn? + were does it start from ?
Waterlinks Shuttle bus. I don't know what it is, but it is in Aston
I don't know if it is for Waterlinks House, an Office block just off the ring road off Dartmouth Circus
That was the service ran using a Solo. So it must loop round the city then or something.
Currently sat on 4922 on the 907
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2013, 06:25:13 PM
Currently sat on 4922 on the 907
I'll look out for 4922 tomorrow :D Are 4919-4921 in service aswell or is it just 4922 at the moment :)
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2013, 06:25:13 PM
Currently sat on 4922 on the 907
So,
1) A new bus out that hasn't been reported
2) The first time a branded 63-plate E400 has been off route
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2013, 06:25:13 PM
Currently sat on 4922 on the 907
Do you know the name of 4922 ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 07, 2013, 06:46:42 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2013, 06:25:13 PM
Currently sat on 4922 on the 907
Do you know the name of 4922 ?
Amy. I got a nice photo which will be appearing soon
With 4922 out now, does this mean that 4919-21 (maybe even a few above 4922) are also out in service, or about to enter service?
Quote from: John on November 07, 2013, 07:53:16 PM
With 4922 out now, does this mean that 4919-21 (maybe even a few above 4922) are also out in service, or about to enter service?
Possibly, I have been in the office at Miller Street today, so not paying too much attention, so was surprised as anyone when 4922 turned up to take me back to City for my train. Driver had just brought it out for an evening peak board, had 244 miles on the clock, most of which would be the drive down from Scarborough
Here is 4922 this evening
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4922.html
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2013, 08:40:00 PM
Here is 4922 this evening
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4922.html
And the award for the worst positioned Offside mirror goes to...
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2013, 08:40:00 PM
Here is 4922 this evening
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4922.html
The branding looks fantastic at night.
Typical NXWM, its first time in use and it's on the wrong route!
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 07, 2013, 08:44:53 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2013, 08:40:00 PM
Here is 4922 this evening
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4922.html
And the award for the worst positioned Offside mirror goes to...
Same place as the BC ones, and I found it spot on!
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2013, 08:54:41 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 07, 2013, 08:44:53 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2013, 08:40:00 PM
Here is 4922 this evening
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4922.html
And the award for the worst positioned Offside mirror goes to...
Same place as the BC ones, and I found it spot on!
I'm on about the fact only half of the actual mirror is in the window, so you'll have to "duck" down to see the whole of it.
But ey, different strokes for different folks!
Just heard 4919, 4921 and 4923 should be on the road tomorrow
is that a camera below the driver's cab on 4922?
Quote from: wmacb13 on November 07, 2013, 09:25:31 PM
is that a camera below the driver's cab on 4922?
No, that is the windscreen wash filler. The camera is by the wing mirror
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 07, 2013, 09:06:33 PM
Just heard 4919, 4921 and 4923 should be on the road tomorrow
I'll look out for them :) Thank You for the info Matt ;)
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 07, 2013, 04:47:32 PM
Perry barr's Private CG, where does it go, as I've seen down by the aston expressway, new street stn? + were does it start from ?
The works bus for Cap Gemini in Aston (Avenue Road). Me dad used to work for them so I know a fair bit of the history of the route. It started as a shuttle bus between the various sites of the company (where it is now, plus offices the other side of Aston Cross, Waterlinks House on the ring road and Five Ways) and the city centre. Over the years they've scaled back a bit and I think now only have Avenue Road, but still have the shuttle bus. It runs from Avenue Road itself not the bus stop on Aston Road North, then seemingly chooses its own route to town either via Corporation Street or cuts down the side of Dartmouth Circus via Hubert Street and Chester Street, onto the ring road, Jennens Road into the city centre (in fact I've even seen it come out onto Great Lister Street and through Aston Uni), does a loop round town via New Street, Paradise Circus and Snow Hill then back out via Dartmouth Circus, Aston Cross, Rocky Lane and Chester Street to Avenue Road again.
Usually see it on me way into town from work on the 65/67 and occasionally on me way to work as well, near enough always an Omnilink but have saw a 33 branded Enviro a few weeks ago. Must have money to burn because after all these years they still pay for the service despite from what I can tell hardly anyone using it (unless the one at kicking out time 5pm is rammed)
Thanks Kevin, always wondered what it did an now I know(:, when I see it, its usually pretty empty.
Do you know the times it departs from the Avenue an its loop round town ?
4919 (Sheniyah) & 4921 (Vandana) have now entered service
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 08, 2013, 09:57:21 AM
Thanks Kevin, always wondered what it did an now I know(:, when I see it, its usually pretty empty.
Do you know the times it departs from the Avenue an its loop round town ?
I usually see it about quarter to 6 just leaving CG, no idea what the rest of the times are meant to be but somewhere around then would be a good bet
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 08, 2013, 10:37:45 AM
4919 (Sheniyah) & 4921 (Vandana) have now entered service
4919;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10740847096/
4921;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10740848406/
4922 is also out, but was in the car when it was entering sutton :) might see it later though
4919 parked up on Lower Bull Street with hazards flashing around midday.
4922 is Amy, noticed it heading to the lodge this morning.
I have two onboard videos from 4914 & 4916 the links are below :)
4914
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ0hnghaSAU
4916
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQhNbGQUqcg
Quote from: 37351ml on November 08, 2013, 01:46:06 PM
4922 is Amy, noticed it heading to the lodge this morning.
As reported by Tony, 4922 was out last night, on the 907
Matt I think he was just telling us the name, not its just entered service today ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 08, 2013, 10:23:24 PM
Matt I think he was just telling us the name, not its just entered service today ?
Tony did report its name.
Did anyone see 4923 today ?
4915 and 4923 have spent Sunday on the 914.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on November 10, 2013, 08:28:20 PM
4915 and 4923 have spent Sunday on the 914.
Dont the 904E/914 interwork in Sutton ? or am I barking up the wrong tree ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 10, 2013, 08:30:15 PM
Dont the 904E/914 interwork in Sutton ? or am I barking up the wrong tree ?
It might be 914/907. Pretty sure the 904Es are on their own
Does this garage have any other focus apart from the Sutton Lines.
There were 2 double deckers on the 46 last night, one was a Gemini, the other was 4780 I think.
I wouldnt have thought double deckers would be needed on Sunday 46s especially late night ones.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on November 11, 2013, 01:24:41 AM
There were 2 double deckers on the 46 last night, one was a Gemini, the other was 4780 I think.
I wouldnt have thought double deckers would be needed on Sunday 46s especially late night ones.
The 46 is fully decker on Sundays
Has 4920 been out in service yet?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 10, 2013, 11:01:45 PM
Does this garage have any other focus apart from the Sutton Lines.
Like any garage, comments are focused where the forum members are.
Quote from: John on November 11, 2013, 09:19:19 AM
Has 4920 been out in service yet?
Didnt see it today, might be in Sutton tomorrow so I will keep my eye out
4259 is now 2 shades of red, a bit of blue and white;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10801592654/
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 11, 2013, 04:15:39 PM
4259 is now 2 shades of red, a bit of blue and white;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10801592654/
You found it then :)
See what I mean, tatty or what?
Quote from: John on November 11, 2013, 04:19:06 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 11, 2013, 04:15:39 PM
4259 is now 2 shades of red, a bit of blue and white;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/10801592654/
You found it then :)
See what I mean, tatty or what?
Totally agree with you on that one :D, needs to go for repaint before it gets any worse.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 10, 2013, 11:01:45 PM
Does this garage have any other focus apart from the Sutton Lines.
The 33
Quote from: Lukeee on November 11, 2013, 10:59:34 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 10, 2013, 11:01:45 PM
Does this garage have any other focus apart from the Sutton Lines.
The 33
Fair point, the other routes can just plod along with no plans to grow or increase passenger numbers, just a view point.
Just an opinion. But if the 94 deserves an upgrade (not saying it doesn't), than doesn't the 14, 70 & 97 deserve one too. The 97 runs 24 hours with 9 year old Tridents
I'm not really that bothered, was just being childish. I understand limited resources etc.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 12, 2013, 09:18:16 AM
I'm not really that bothered, was just being childish. I understand limited resources etc.
I do believe the 94 deserves better buses, but then I thought of the 14, which has the same overall frequency but sees mainly 41** tridents
Quote from: Sh4166 on November 12, 2013, 09:22:06 AM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 12, 2013, 09:18:16 AM
I'm not really that bothered, was just being childish. I understand limited resources etc.
I do believe the 94 deserves better buses, but then I thought of the 14, which has the same overall frequency but sees mainly 41** tridents
No no no no.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 12, 2013, 08:08:00 AM
Fair point, the other routes can just plod along with no plans to grow or increase passenger numbers, just a view point.
There might be plans to upgrade other services at Perry Barr, they won't upgrade all routes at once. The Sutton Lines must be Perry Barr's most profitable group of services, and in order to encourage who live in Sutton to use the bus instead of their cars is to upgrade them with new high quality buses
I am a longtime resident of Sutton Coldfield but,far from encouraging me to use the bus more,the hideous branding and the frivolous naming will make me more determined to continue in my car.
Can we not get back to substance instead of gimmicky promotions.........I,and all Suttonians I know,are capable of reading destination blinds.
On Sunday,4923 (in full branding and named) was happily running on the 914,towards Sutton despite showing Birmingham on the blinds,merely confirming the absurdity of it all...........TrentBarton have much to answer for.
No wonder Victor Meldrew thrives.
http://wallys-wanderings.smugmug.com/Buses/NX-West-Midlands-Enviro-E400s/29332481_4MtKDk#!i=2502324000&k=9mck763
more new photos.
Quote from: pb2012 on November 12, 2013, 06:13:46 PM
http://wallys-wanderings.smugmug.com/Buses/NX-West-Midlands-Enviro-E400s/29332481_4MtKDk#!i=2502324000&k=9mck763
more new photos.
They're of the last batch?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on November 12, 2013, 09:50:20 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on November 12, 2013, 06:13:46 PM
http://wallys-wanderings.smugmug.com/Buses/NX-West-Midlands-Enviro-E400s/29332481_4MtKDk#!i=2502324000&k=9mck763
more new photos.
They're of the last batch?
Just click to page 3 for the latest
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 12, 2013, 03:19:12 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on November 12, 2013, 09:22:06 AM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 12, 2013, 09:18:16 AM
I'm not really that bothered, was just being childish. I understand limited resources etc.
I do believe the 94 deserves better buses, but then I thought of the 14, which has the same overall frequency but sees mainly 41** tridents
No no no no.
14 never gets them from memory, only probably the lynx single deckers and that was only because they were being brought in on mass. Less afflent areas have no choice but use the bus, the nxwm business model doesn't care about increasing patronage through investment (why should they). Wonder if the councils long term plan will generate improvements that are fairly distributed.
Quote from: Tony on November 12, 2013, 09:52:07 PM
Quote from: BU07 LGO on November 12, 2013, 09:50:20 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on November 12, 2013, 06:13:46 PM
http://wallys-wanderings.smugmug.com/Buses/NX-West-Midlands-Enviro-E400s/29332481_4MtKDk#!i=2502324000&k=9mck763
more new photos.
They're of the last batch?
Just click to page 3 for the latest
Excellent branding on 4938 - looks very neat.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 13, 2013, 07:29:13 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 12, 2013, 03:19:12 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on November 12, 2013, 09:22:06 AM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 12, 2013, 09:18:16 AM
I'm not really that bothered, was just being childish. I understand limited resources etc.
I do believe the 94 deserves better buses, but then I thought of the 14, which has the same overall frequency but sees mainly 41** tridents
No no no no.
14 never gets them from memory, only probably the lynx single deckers and that was only because they were being brought in on mass. Less afflent areas have no choice but use the bus, the nxwm business model doesn't care about increasing patronage through investment (why should they). Wonder if the councils long term plan will generate improvements that are fairly distributed.
Unless they stop buying for 5 years them buy in masses I doubt a lot of routes
Will see brand new buses.
I wonder if 4698 will get repainted and branded, to fit with 4914-4939. Presumably the unbranded Enviros and 4698 will be allocated to 115/914 & 907?
Quote from: Sh4166 on November 13, 2013, 03:45:26 PM
Presumably the unbranded Enviros and 4698 will be allocated to 115/914 & 907?
While it would make sense, I actually imagine they want to get those Enviros branded with the ticket prices out onto every route possible, including the 101/94 etc
Quote from: Kevin on November 13, 2013, 06:30:09 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on November 13, 2013, 03:45:26 PM
Presumably the unbranded Enviros and 4698 will be allocated to 115/914 & 907?
While it would make sense, I actually imagine they want to get those Enviros branded with the ticket prices out onto every route possible, including the 101/94 etc
Possibly, will be interesting to see :). Does anyone know when all the new Enviros will be out? I think they should brand the '61 reg unbranded Enviros with the ticket prices
4927 'Kerrie Louise' in Scarborough
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gcbp/10841518343/
Test, ABC is only used upon delivery, not used when running dead, if that's the case another new branded 902/4/5 has arrived at PB, didn't catch the fleetnumber :(
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 14, 2013, 04:23:12 PM
Test, ABC is only used upon delivery, not used when running dead, if that's the case another new branded 902/4/5 has arrived at PB, didn't catch the fleetnumber :(
I think so yes. I think this is before any garages routes are programmed onto the display
The adverts which look xmas lights are back on the 33 (:
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 15, 2013, 06:45:36 PM
The adverts which look xmas lights are back on the 33 (:
I'm sure they are the Sky Movies Advert, with the 'Christmas is Coming' lit up with LED lights. I did notice on of the '61' reg Enviro400s with it lit up yesterday
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 15, 2013, 06:45:36 PM
The adverts which look xmas lights are back on the 33 (:
Yes, saw one by Aston Uni this evening, no idea which one was across the road at the time
At least two have got them (couldn't identify any though)
Have any more 63 plate enviros arrived from Scarborough yet?
Quote from: Lukeee on November 15, 2013, 09:35:59 PM
At least two have got them (couldn't identify any though)
4847 has, just passed it in Newtown
Quote from: Kevin on November 16, 2013, 07:35:25 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on November 15, 2013, 09:35:59 PM
At least two have got them (couldn't identify any though)
4847 has, just passed it in Newtown
BC seem to have them also.
4844 is another one
Quote from: Kevin on November 16, 2013, 07:35:25 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on November 15, 2013, 09:35:59 PM
At least two have got them (couldn't identify any though)
4847 has, just passed it in Newtown
...as do 4845 & 4849, just went past the Square Peg
4920 was out today,not seen it before.
Quote from: 37351ml on November 17, 2013, 08:37:24 PM
4920 was out today,not seen it before.
That's the last one I was missing from 4914-23, all these 10 are now in service, with 16 more yet to enter service
Quote from: John on November 17, 2013, 08:45:11 PM
Quote from: 37351ml on November 17, 2013, 08:37:24 PM
4920 was out today,not seen it before.
That's the last one I was missing from 4914-23, all these 10 are now in service, with 16 more yet to enter service
Tony has posted on WM Bus Yahoo group that all of 4914-4925 are now delivered
Here is a photo of 4925 send to me by someone at Perry Barr, he has also sent me one of 4924
4923 lost it's near side mirror at The Yenton about an hour ago, as it clipped the Sutton bound shelter opposite McDonalds. We all had to get on 4916 behind
Another one for the Job Centre then John. Hopefully it'll be replaced with the NX standard mirrors, as the factory ones are like a child clown mirrors!
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 18, 2013, 03:33:52 PM
Another one for the Job Centre then John. Hopefully it'll be replaced with the NX standard mirrors, as the factory ones are like a child clown mirrors!
Interestingly i went to London for the launch of the NB4L on the 24, i missed the first bus because i had been informed the new buses were starting from Pimlico instead of Hampstead Heath. Anyway when i got to Hampstead Heath, the 2nd bus was there awaiting service, however a white van was parked alongside and two guys were changing all the mirrors on it? Judging by the amount of mirrors in the van, all the buses were having them changed?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 18, 2013, 03:40:35 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 18, 2013, 03:33:52 PM
Another one for the Job Centre then John. Hopefully it'll be replaced with the NX standard mirrors, as the factory ones are like a child clown mirrors!
Interestingly i went to London for the launch of the NB4L on the 24, i missed the first bus because i had been informed the new buses were starting from Pimlico instead of Hampstead Heath. Anyway when i got to Hampstead Heath, the 2nd bus was there awaiting service, however a white van was parked alongside and two guys were changing all the mirrors on it? Judging by the amount of mirrors in the van, all the buses were having them changed?
Ooh, it might be the same reason then. I think they fit them like that from the factory as its not actual glass mirror, its like plastic which you can physically 'bend' if you push on it.
Take note of 4368 O/S mirror vs. Its N/S mirror.
Quote from: 37351ml on November 17, 2013, 08:37:24 PM
4920 was out today,not seen it before.
Named Caitlin Rose
Didn't see 4924/5 today. Seen the others (:
4924 & 4925 both out today on Sutton services
Noticed since the new enviros have entered service on the Sutton lines the unbranded 48** enviros (4853-56) have been appearing more on there ? am I only the one noticed this ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 22, 2013, 06:44:02 PM
Noticed since the new enviros have entered service on the Sutton lines the unbranded 48** enviros (4853-56) have been appearing more on there ? am I only the one noticed this ?
They have been on there regularly before the new ones entered service. Usually 1, sometimes 2 a day
Quote from: John on November 22, 2013, 06:47:45 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 22, 2013, 06:44:02 PM
Noticed since the new enviros have entered service on the Sutton lines the unbranded 48** enviros (4853-56) have been appearing more on there ? am I only the one noticed this ?
They have been on there regularly before the new ones entered service. Usually 1, sometimes 2 a day
I knew one or too did but it seems all of them are now on there ? only one I didnt see on there was 4853 ?
It may be that more of the '61' reg Enviro400s are on there temporally until enough '63' reg ones are put into service to cover all 902/4/5 journeys
4925 is named 'Lauren'
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 22, 2013, 07:07:28 PM
Quote from: John on November 22, 2013, 06:59:26 PM
4925 is named 'Lauren'
Finally.
A normal name!
What is a 'normal' name? Are you saying the staff who's daughters names are on the other ones abnormal? for giving their children those names
Quote from: Tony on November 22, 2013, 07:22:58 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 22, 2013, 07:07:28 PM
Quote from: John on November 22, 2013, 06:59:26 PM
4925 is named 'Lauren'
Finally.
A normal name!
What is a 'normal' name? Are you saying the staff who's daughters names are on the other ones abnormal? for giving their children those names
Joke Tony.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 22, 2013, 07:24:33 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 22, 2013, 07:22:58 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 22, 2013, 07:07:28 PM
Quote from: John on November 22, 2013, 06:59:26 PM
4925 is named 'Lauren'
Finally.
A normal name!
What is a 'normal' name? Are you saying the staff who's daughters names are on the other ones abnormal? for giving their children those names
Joke Tony.
Sorry I don't see a joke there, just an offensive comment. The name on 4923 is the name of the daughter of the person who sent me the photograph taken in Perry Barr garage, I doubt he would either
Quote from: Tony on November 22, 2013, 07:27:25 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 22, 2013, 07:24:33 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 22, 2013, 07:22:58 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 22, 2013, 07:07:28 PM
Quote from: John on November 22, 2013, 06:59:26 PM
4925 is named 'Lauren'
Finally.
A normal name!
What is a 'normal' name? Are you saying the staff who's daughters names are on the other ones abnormal? for giving their children those names
Joke Tony.
Sorry I don't see a joke there, just an offensive comment. The name on 4923 is the name of the daughter of the person who sent me the photograph taken in Perry Barr garage, I doubt he would either
With you Tone, as a Primary School teacher I find name prejudice abhorrent I'm afraid and work hard to try and eradicate it where possible
Just to be the devils advocate, to turn the phrase,
I think Matt meant it as 'Lauren' is a typically common English Female name. Where as other names aren't common, which ever way you want to play it.
Don't get offended and I don't want a lecture on the history of female names since 1800s, just see it from both sides.
I didn't mean to be offensive. Just a little joke, saying the first thing that comes to mind again. I hope I make it clear that I'm not a fan of this whole naming buses thing though.
Both newbies out on the late night boards : 4925 20.50 from city to the lodge, 4924 -Ava Mai, on 21.10 to Roughley, the others being 4916 on Suttons, (x30) and 4730.
Quote from: 37351ml on November 22, 2013, 10:45:18 PM
Both newbies out on the late night boards : 4925 20.50 from city to the lodge, 4924 -Ava Mai, on 21.10 to Roughley, the others being 4916 on Suttons, (x30) and 4730.
Did you travel on any?
Sutton lines, sutton line, 33 & 33. Anythine else happen at this depot lol.
I travelled on both the new ones, plus 4914/18/21, :D
4926 (Sutton branded) & 4927 (travel card branded) both now delivered
I presume this was just coincidence that these two were parked next to each other today!
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4698.html
Quote from: Tony on November 22, 2013, 11:34:44 AM
4924 & 4925 both out today on Sutton services
Does anyone know what 4924 is named?
Quote from: Tony on November 24, 2013, 03:46:51 PM
I presume this was just coincidence that these two were parked next to each other today!
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4698.html
Ha, they're nostalgic already.
4698 has changed a lot over 8 years, wish it still had its red light surrounds and grey grille!
Quote from: John on November 24, 2013, 03:49:03 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 22, 2013, 11:34:44 AM
4924 & 4925 both out today on Sutton services
Does anyone know what 4924 is named?
Someone on here said it was named Ava-Mai
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 24, 2013, 04:49:46 PM
Quote from: John on November 24, 2013, 03:49:03 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 22, 2013, 11:34:44 AM
4924 & 4925 both out today on Sutton services
Does anyone know what 4924 is named?
Someone on here said it was named Ava-Mai
Thanks Nathan. Can't recall that message :)
Quote from: John on November 24, 2013, 04:51:14 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 24, 2013, 04:49:46 PM
Quote from: John on November 24, 2013, 03:49:03 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 22, 2013, 11:34:44 AM
4924 & 4925 both out today on Sutton services
Does anyone know what 4924 is named?
Someone on here said it was named Ava-Mai
Thanks Nathan. Can't recall that message :)
I will try an find it now
Quote from: 37351ml on November 22, 2013, 10:45:18 PM
Both newbies out on the late night boards : 4925 20.50 from city to the lodge, 4924 -Ava Mai, on 21.10 to Roughley, the others being 4916 on Suttons, (x30) and 4730.
Found it
its on page 33
Nathan 4775, please use the edit tool. Thanks, LS
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 24, 2013, 04:55:09 PM
Quote from: 37351ml on November 22, 2013, 10:45:18 PM
Both newbies out on the late night boards : 4925 20.50 from city to the lodge, 4924 -Ava Mai, on 21.10 to Roughley, the others being 4916 on Suttons, (x30) and 4730.
Found it
its on page 33
Ta Nathan. I don't remember seeing that one :D
4927 is Kerry Louise
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4927.html
4931 is Shakirah
4938 is Charmaine
Are 4927, 4931 and 4938 the latest to arrive at PB?
Quote from: Ashley on November 24, 2013, 06:28:32 PM
Are 4927, 4931 and 4938 the latest to arrive at PB?
4927 and 4926 are the latest to arrive, as I posted above, 4931 & 4938 have had there names posted on another group by someone in Scarborough
Quote from: Tony on November 24, 2013, 05:09:43 PM
4927 is Kerry Louise
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4927.html
4931 is Shakirah
4938 is Charmaine
I'm giving 4931 the nickname of the "She Wolf"
Quote from: Tony on November 24, 2013, 03:46:51 PM
I presume this was just coincidence that these two were parked next to each other today!
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4698.html
The red paint of 4698 appears to be coming off/fading/whatever. Might be time for a refurb ;)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 24, 2013, 06:56:23 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 24, 2013, 05:09:43 PM
4927 is Kerry Louise
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4927.html
4931 is Shakirah
4938 is Charmaine
I'm giving 4931 the nickname of the "She Wolf"
Is she a lovely mover?
Quote from: Westy on November 24, 2013, 07:25:09 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 24, 2013, 06:56:23 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 24, 2013, 05:09:43 PM
4927 is Kerry Louise
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4927.html
4931 is Shakirah
4938 is Charmaine
I'm giving 4931 the nickname of the "She Wolf"
Is she a lovely mover?
Well, her hips don't lie.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 22, 2013, 10:55:55 PM
Sutton lines, sutton line, 33 & 33. Anythine else happen at this depot lol.
Well sorry, what would you like us to talk about?
Quote from: Kevin on November 24, 2013, 07:40:36 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 22, 2013, 10:55:55 PM
Sutton lines, sutton line, 33 & 33. Anythine else happen at this depot lol.
Well sorry, what would you like us to talk about?
The 94 at a guess.....
Quote from: Winston on November 24, 2013, 07:49:41 PM
Quote from: Kevin on November 24, 2013, 07:40:36 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 22, 2013, 10:55:55 PM
Sutton lines, sutton line, 33 & 33. Anythine else happen at this depot lol.
Well sorry, what would you like us to talk about?
The 94 at a guess.....
Speaking of the 94, did NXOD give a date as to when the 94 would be receiving the refurbished buses?
Quote from: Sh4166 on November 24, 2013, 07:51:07 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 24, 2013, 07:49:41 PM
Quote from: Kevin on November 24, 2013, 07:40:36 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 22, 2013, 10:55:55 PM
Sutton lines, sutton line, 33 & 33. Anythine else happen at this depot lol.
Well sorry, what would you like us to talk about?
The 94 at a guess.....
Speaking of the 94, did NXOD give a date as to when the 94 would be receiving the refurbished buses?
No, just in early 2014. The most likely candidates for upgrading the 94 seemed to have been the E400's at PB that are moving to YW, so who knows now?
Quote from: Winston on November 24, 2013, 07:55:41 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on November 24, 2013, 07:51:07 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 24, 2013, 07:49:41 PM
Quote from: Kevin on November 24, 2013, 07:40:36 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 22, 2013, 10:55:55 PM
Sutton lines, sutton line, 33 & 33. Anythine else happen at this depot lol.
Well sorry, what would you like us to talk about?
The 94 at a guess.....
Speaking of the 94, did NXOD give a date as to when the 94 would be receiving the refurbished buses?
No, just in early 2014. The most likely candidates for upgrading the 94 seemed to have been the E400's at PB that are moving to YW, so who knows now?
How many buses are required for the 94?
Quote from: Winston on November 24, 2013, 07:55:41 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on November 24, 2013, 07:51:07 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 24, 2013, 07:49:41 PM
Quote from: Kevin on November 24, 2013, 07:40:36 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 22, 2013, 10:55:55 PM
Sutton lines, sutton line, 33 & 33. Anythine else happen at this depot lol.
Well sorry, what would you like us to talk about?
The 94 at a guess.....
Speaking of the 94, did NXOD give a date as to when the 94 would be receiving the refurbished buses?
No, just in early 2014. The most likely candidates for upgrading the 94 seemed to have been the E400's at PB that are moving to YW, so who knows now?
Opinions seem to be leaning towards thinking the Geminis will be used, but would that be an upgrade, the 94 sees Geminis anyway. Could be anything. May depend on which garage gets new buses
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 24, 2013, 07:57:38 PM
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Sutton lines, sutton line, 33 & 33. Anythine else happen at this depot lol.
Well sorry, what would you like us to talk about?
The 94 at a guess.....
Speaking of the 94, did NXOD give a date as to when the 94 would be receiving the refurbished buses?
No, just in early 2014. The most likely candidates for upgrading the 94 seemed to have been the E400's at PB that are moving to YW, so who knows now?
How many buses are required for the 94?
15?
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Sutton lines, sutton line, 33 & 33. Anythine else happen at this depot lol.
Well sorry, what would you like us to talk about?
The 94 at a guess.....
Speaking of the 94, did NXOD give a date as to when the 94 would be receiving the refurbished buses?
No, just in early 2014. The most likely candidates for upgrading the 94 seemed to have been the E400's at PB that are moving to YW, so who knows now?
Opinions seem to be leaning towards thinking the Geminis will be used, but would that be an upgrade, the 94 sees Geminis anyway. Could be anything. May depend on which garage gets new buses
From NXOD's comments I was expecting it to be the 07/57 plate E400's as PB were having new for the Suttonlines, Gemini's wouldn't really be much of upgrade other than they will have been recently re-furb'd a branding may be applied. Problem is, there is little choice of cascade options for PB which either has Gemini or E400's. Very little new double deckers were purchased during 2005/6 & 2008-2010. Most went to Travel London instead or NX were in a mess and couldn't afford many new vehicles
The Geminis are looking nice now after their refurb. I would maybe swap some gems with B7 ALX at WB as they seem to use their Gemini's on any old route and refurb these to join the existing PB ones
Quote from: BU07 LGO on November 24, 2013, 09:55:23 PM
The Geminis are looking nice now after their refurb. I would maybe swap some gems with B7 ALX at WB as they seem to use their Gemini's on any old route and refurb these to join the existing PB ones
But then PB's budget will have to used to refurb those ex WB Gemini when it could be being used to refurb their own ALX400's
PB's Gemini's look fantastic after the refurbs, still probably my favourite bus type in the NXWM fleet.
A bit of variety, had the desired effect.
Anyone heard if any ther consulatations are likely to take place next year like the current Southern/Solihull ones?
If they are on about faster routes old established routes like 31 i.e Gospel - City. Could you see them considering the same for i.e Castle Vale - City / Castle Brom - City etc. I only ask these questions as I reckon they really need to increase bus patronage again, if they are not expanding with increased fleets etc.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 24, 2013, 10:49:17 PM
A bit of variety, had the desired effect.
Anyone heard if any ther consulatations are likely to take place next year like the current Southern/Solihull ones?
If they are on about faster routes old established routes like 31 i.e Gospel - City. Could you see them considering the same for i.e Castle Vale - City / Castle Brom - City etc. I only ask these questions as I reckon they really need to increase bus patronage again, if they are not expanding with increased fleets etc.
Solihull is included in the current South B'ham & Solihull review, with consultations ending 15th Nov
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/BusReview/BusReviewIndex.aspx
That's not what I meant, sorry.
I meant after that one which is being implemented next Feb and its more South Birmingham than Solihull.
What I meant after that one has anyone heard rumours of other area's i.e East Brum/ North Solihull. West Brum/ Sandwell.
I am also curious how come in the current ones they are only pin pointing certain routes.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 24, 2013, 11:39:19 PM
That's not what I meant, sorry.
I meant after that one which is being implemented next Feb and its more South Birmingham than Solihull.
What I meant after that one has anyone heard rumours of other area's i.e East Brum/ North Solihull. West Brum/ Sandwell.
I am also curious how come in the current ones they are only pin pointing certain routes.
Not sure of any future ones yet. I would think Dudley might be due a re-review before any of those areas as Dudley's was in 2009
They've simply identified certain routes within that area with known issues & suggested potential solutions for passengers to comment on before they actually make a final decision/change them. I think this is a much better way of conducting the reviews. There is nothing to stop passengers highlighting other issues/making suggestions for alterations to other services within the review area. If enough people comment they will no doubt look at these as well
Seen 4927 heading back to Garage this morning while I was on 4735 on the 934 in Newtown
Quote from: Rob4367 on November 25, 2013, 03:11:07 PM
Seen 4927 heading back to Garage this morning while I was on 4735 on the 934 in Newtown
Spotted it in Erdington this morning having an airing.
Anyone know 4926's name ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 25, 2013, 07:34:21 PM
Anyone know 4926's name ?
Heidi.
In service today along with 4927
4926 hasn't a rear fleet number and I think it was 4921 that has lost its front branding.
Thanks settlerman, was just about to post that :p
Saw 4926 at the bus stop at the bottom of Corporation st this evening and noticed a silver stripe between the black stripe and the red at the front, perhaps I need to pay more attention but are the others like this? In fact are the 900/957 E400s like this as well?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 26, 2013, 07:16:02 PM
Quote from: Kevin on November 26, 2013, 07:11:51 PM
Saw 4926 at the bus stop at the bottom of Corporation st this evening and noticed a silver stripe between the black stripe and the red at the front, perhaps I need to pay more attention but are the others like this? In fact are the 900/957 E400s like this as well?
957 has a green stripe :)
900 has a light green :)
How come the 902/4/5 had a silver stripe and not a black
The 902/4/5 have a black stripe
Quote from: Tony on November 26, 2013, 07:22:55 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 26, 2013, 07:16:02 PM
Quote from: Kevin on November 26, 2013, 07:11:51 PM
Saw 4926 at the bus stop at the bottom of Corporation st this evening and noticed a silver stripe between the black stripe and the red at the front, perhaps I need to pay more attention but are the others like this? In fact are the 900/957 E400s like this as well?
957 has a green stripe :)
900 has a light green :)
How come the 902/4/5 had a silver stripe and not a black
The 902/4/5 have a black stripe
I dunno what I was thinking off, its in between the black & red ::),
Quote from: Kevin on November 26, 2013, 07:11:51 PM
Saw 4926 at the bus stop at the bottom of Corporation st this evening and noticed a silver stripe between the black stripe and the red at the front, perhaps I need to pay more attention but are the others like this? In fact are the 900/957 E400s like this as well?
The Sutton branded Enviro400s have the silver stripe between the red of the livery and the black stripe. The 900/957 branding does not have the silver stripe, only the coloured green stripe of the branding
Quote from: John on November 26, 2013, 08:37:42 PM
Quote from: Kevin on November 26, 2013, 07:11:51 PM
Saw 4926 at the bus stop at the bottom of Corporation st this evening and noticed a silver stripe between the black stripe and the red at the front, perhaps I need to pay more attention but are the others like this? In fact are the 900/957 E400s like this as well?
The Sutton branded Enviuro400s have the silver stripe between the red of the livery and the black stripe. The 900/957 branding does not have the silver stripe, only the coloured green stripe of the branding
...and theres my answer, cheers John, as I say I hadn't noticed it on any of them til this evening, so just wondered if it was on any others or not.
Apparently there was a crash on the Lichfield Road this morning (Aston station into town), when I eventually got a bus to work half an hour late and came to it the police had closed the road and 4245 was stopped at the junction, hazards flashing and no-one on board. It didn't look like it was involved in anything so can't see any reason why it was left like that?
Either way, behind it (stuck with no possibility of doing a u-turn to get onto a diversion) was about 10 other buses which explained why I had to wait so long.
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Quote from: Kevin on November 26, 2013, 07:11:51 PM
Saw 4926 at the bus stop at the bottom of Corporation st this evening and noticed a silver stripe between the black stripe and the red at the front, perhaps I need to pay more attention but are the others like this? In fact are the 900/957 E400s like this as well?
The Sutton branded Enviuro400s have the silver stripe between the red of the livery and the black stripe. The 900/957 branding does not have the silver stripe, only the coloured green stripe of the branding
...and theres my answer, cheers John, as I say I hadn't noticed it on any of them til this evening, so just wondered if it was on any others or not.
Saw 4927 this evening (one of the buses branded with the prices not the sutton lines) and noticed it had the black stripe but not the silver, bit strange
Rebecca (4929) is out today, noted on 914 at 07.35 square peg.
Quote from: 37351ml on November 29, 2013, 07:43:31 AM
Rebecca (4929) is out today, noted on 914 at 07.35 square peg.
is it branded or unbranded i.e £12 bus pass or the night 5 one
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Rebecca (4929) is out today, noted on 914 at 07.35 square peg.
is it branded or unbranded i.e £12 bus pass or the night 5 one
That will be either a £12 pass branded one or an evening saver branded one
4930 also out now
Quote from: Trident 4609 on November 29, 2013, 07:45:30 PM
4930 also out now
That's one i'm going to look for tomorrow ;)
4930 Megan Louise just left city for Hillhook.
Any reason why a few 48** buses have lost the Xmas Coming Advert ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 30, 2013, 04:19:25 PM
Any reason why a few 48** buses have lost the Xmas Coming Advert ?
Not really, the adverts must have just been changed on a few of them.
Normal framed adverts (not mega wraps) are only usually on for a few weeks before they are changed
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Any reason why a few 48** buses have lost the Xmas Coming Advert ?
Not really, the adverts must have just been changed on a few of them.
Normal framed adverts (not mega wraps) are only usually on for a few weeks before they are changed
theres actually no advert in the frames there empty
Noticed a few extra journeys out on the 33 between Perry Barr an Birmingham.
4931 SHAKIRAH out on 38
Quote from: settlerman on December 02, 2013, 11:25:36 AM
4931 SHAKIRAH out on 38
On the 904 today, I believe ..... certainly one of the Sutton routes
4932 "Izzy" is out on the 905 at the moment
4928 Georgia, just passed barton arms ex city on 907.
The new ones mentioned are they all the £12 bus pass branded ?
Georgia is a £12 one, just departing sutton on 20.51 907. I think 4932 izzy mentions an £8 ticket on the rear.
Have the ticket branded Enviros been on anything other than the Sutton Lines, 914/115 & 907? ;D
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 03, 2013, 11:10:02 PM
Have the ticket branded Enviros been on anything other than the Sutton Lines, 914/115 & 907? ;D
The 38 (Old 638) i think. Plus the 907/115/914 aren't classed as the sutton lines are they?
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Quote from: Sh4166 on December 03, 2013, 11:10:02 PM
Have the ticket branded Enviros been on anything other than the Sutton Lines, 914/115 & 907? ;D
The 38 (Old 638) i think. Plus the 907/115/914 aren't classed as the sutton lines are they?
No, that's why I said
Sutton Lines (referring to the 902, 904 & 905) and 914/115, 907
Izzy (4932) is having a day on the 16 today got a short clip of it on Priory Queensway I'll post link later :)
4928 (Travelcard branded "Georgia") and 4933 (Group Daysaver branded) both on the 38 today.
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 05, 2013, 12:49:22 PM
Izzy (4932) is having a day on the 16 today got a short clip of it on Priory Queensway I'll post link later :)
Here is the link I promised :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj5_XMQszh4
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Izzy (4932) is having a day on the 16 today got a short clip of it on Priory Queensway I'll post link later :)
Here is the link I promised :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj5_XMQszh4
Those one will be used on most Perry Barr Routes, not just the Sutton Lines as they are not branded for the Sutton Lines, I did see that one exit Birmingham this afternoon
I also heard over the radio that the Expressway services had to use Lichfield Road this afternoon due to the high winds
More names of Enviro400s -
4934 - Bethany Grace
4935 - Lilly
4937 - Lilla Kirsty
4939 - Andrea
4723 still at Perry Barr and was on the 907 today
Are there anymore to be delivered now or they all delivered now
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Are there anymore to be delivered now or they all delivered now
Not yet at Perry Barr
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Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 06, 2013, 05:03:01 PM
Are there anymore to be delivered now or they all delivered now
Not yet at Perry Barr
Do you know which ones are left to be delivered
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Quote from: John on December 06, 2013, 05:04:06 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 06, 2013, 05:03:01 PM
Are there anymore to be delivered now or they all delivered now
Not yet at Perry Barr
Do you know which ones are left to be delivered
The ones I mentioned plus the other 2 (4936/8) are all parked at Walsall
Quote from: John on December 06, 2013, 05:06:22 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 06, 2013, 05:05:01 PM
Quote from: John on December 06, 2013, 05:04:06 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 06, 2013, 05:03:01 PM
Are there anymore to be delivered now or they all delivered now
Not yet at Perry Barr
Do you know which ones are left to be delivered
The ones I mentioned plus the other 2 (4936/8) are all parked at Walsall
Thanks, I thought the ones you mentioned you'd seen out an about, apologies
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 06, 2013, 05:13:53 PM
Thanks, I thought the ones you mentioned you'd seen out an about, apologies
No need to apologise Nathan :D There are 6 all parked up in Walsall, arrived today (They are 4934-9)
Is 4928 delivered/out in service yet, as that is the last one to be seen?
Quote from: John on December 06, 2013, 05:20:03 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 06, 2013, 05:13:53 PM
Thanks, I thought the ones you mentioned you'd seen out an about, apologies
No need to apologise Nathan :D There are 6 all parked up in Walsall, arrived today (They are 4934-9)
Is 4928 delivered/out in service yet, as that is the last one to be seen?
4928 was reported out on the 38 yesterday and the 907 on Tuesday.
Quote from: busfan2847 on December 06, 2013, 05:24:52 PM
4928 was reported out on the 38 yesterday and the 907 on Tuesday.
Thanks for that, must have missed those ;)
Anyone know the branding for 4932 ?
4931 (Shakirah) wears the Unlimited £12 branded, as me and my freind seen it today on the 907
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 06, 2013, 05:28:57 PM
Anyone know the branding for 4932 ?
4931 (Shakirah) wears the Unlimited £12 branded, as me and my freind seen it today on the 907
4932 (Izzy) has £8 Branding but couldn't get all the details :)
Thanks rob, I can add it to my list (:
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Quote from: busfan2847 on December 06, 2013, 05:24:52 PM
4928 was reported out on the 38 yesterday and the 907 on Tuesday.
Thanks for that, must have missed those ;)
What is the name on 4928?
Quote from: Kiewii on December 06, 2013, 09:32:44 PM
Georgia I think
Looking at a Comment left yesterday, it is. Thanks :)
The only ones I need now are 4933, and 4937 (it was parked in Walsall garage today but could not get a good look at the name)
Quote from: John on December 06, 2013, 09:34:38 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on December 06, 2013, 09:32:44 PM
Georgia I think
Looking at a Comment left yesterday, it is. Thanks :)
The only ones I need now are 4933, and 4937 (it was parked in Walsall garage today but could not get a good look at the name)
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4933 I think is "Emily Anna"
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Quote from: John on December 06, 2013, 09:34:38 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on December 06, 2013, 09:32:44 PM
Georgia I think
Looking at a Comment left yesterday, it is. Thanks :)
The only ones I need now are 4933, and 4937 (it was parked in Walsall garage today but could not get a good look at the name)
4933 I think is "Emily Anna"
Correct, saw it on 907 arriving in Bull Street at 12:35.
4493 4723 4727, Omnicity DD, 4928 4929 on 115/914 today if of interest
Another new Enviro400 is also on the 907, along with 4933 (can not remember which!)
4933 has had its nearside front bumper and headlight replaced already, and 4921 has had a new front top deck widescreen, as the branding is missing
Just seen 4933, looks very nice in its pink £8 branding, couldn't smell the new enviro smell :(
4723, 4727 and 4730 all still at Perry Barr today. 4730 was on the 16, one was on the 907 and the other was on 115/914s
I didn't spot any more new E400s above 4933 out, so they may still be at Walsall, or in the process of been prepared for entering service on Sunday/Monday
Quote from: John on December 07, 2013, 03:25:20 PM
Another new Enviro400 is also on the 907, along with 4933 (can not remember which!)
4933 has had its nearside front bumper and headlight replaced already, and 4921 has had a new front top deck widescreen, as the branding is missing
saw 4931 leaving Bull St so might have been that one you saw
Quote from: Kevin on December 07, 2013, 08:06:56 PM
saw 4931 leaving Bull St so might have been that one you saw
Must be the one, Thanks Kevin :) It was the blue £12 pass branding
4931 and 4933 were both on the 907 today, 4475 was in between them if that helps with an identity
4723/7 still on the main road last night and 4730 this morning. 4733 looking pristine on the 904E.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on December 08, 2013, 11:27:03 AM
4723/7 still on the main road last night and 4730 this morning. 4733 looking pristine on the 904E.
4733?
4933 emily anna out on 904e, 02 past hour from sutton and half past ex city for the night. It has an £8 group saver advert on rear the same as 4932.
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4723/7 still on the main road last night and 4730 this morning. 4733 looking pristine on the 904E.
4733?
presumably he meant 4933?
Quote from: John on December 06, 2013, 04:20:00 PM
More names of Enviro400s -
4934 - Bethany Grace
4935 - Lilly
4937 - Lilla Kirsty
4939 - Andrea
Got the last name this morning
4936 - Tiarnah
All are now parked up, in a line at the back of Walsall today, looks like they are ready to leave
I forgot to mention that 4936 onwards (I think) has another ticket advertised, must be the evening saver, as it is £5
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Quote from: John on December 06, 2013, 04:20:00 PM
More names of Enviro400s -
4934 - Bethany Grace
4935 - Lilly
4937 - Lilla Kirsty
4939 - Andrea
Got the last name this morning
4936 - Tiarnah
All are now parked up, in a line at the back of Walsall today, looks like they are ready to leave
I forgot to mention that 4936 onwards (I think) has another ticket advertised, must be the evening saver, as it is £5
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Have you got the name of 4938?
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More names of Enviro400s -
4934 - Bethany Grace
4935 - Lilly
4937 - Lilla Kirsty
4939 - Andrea
Got the last name this morning
4936 - Tiarnah
All are now parked up, in a line at the back of Walsall today, looks like they are ready to leave
I forgot to mention that 4936 onwards (I think) has another ticket advertised, must be the evening saver, as it is £5
Have you got the name of 4938?
I have it as 'Charmaine'. if it still there tomorrow, I will double check
Thanks. Much obliged.
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Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 08, 2013, 05:37:44 PM
presumably he meant 4933?
She did indeed.
Great. Now you're gonna get all these boys trying to impress you. Lol etc
We need more girls in the bus community. Its a total sausage-fest at bus shows.
4933 on 115 today
Is this garage still suffering from capacity problems now or has that been sorted since the North review? just curious.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 09, 2013, 09:13:56 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on December 09, 2013, 09:05:27 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 08, 2013, 05:37:44 PM
presumably he meant 4933?
She did indeed.
Great. Now you're gonna get all these boys trying to impress you. Lol etc
We need more girls in the bus community. Its a total sausage-fest at bus shows.
According to the site, the ratio of male to female is 36.5:1 from 268 members.
Quote from: Dylan4579 on December 10, 2013, 08:11:49 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 09, 2013, 09:13:56 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on December 09, 2013, 09:05:27 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 08, 2013, 05:37:44 PM
presumably he meant 4933?
She did indeed.
Great. Now you're gonna get all these boys trying to impress you. Lol etc
We need more girls in the bus community. Its a total sausage-fest at bus shows.
According to the site, the ratio of male to female is 36.5:1 from 268 members.
Remember some members will choose not to share their gender
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Quote from: Dylan4579 on December 10, 2013, 08:11:49 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 09, 2013, 09:13:56 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on December 09, 2013, 09:05:27 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 08, 2013, 05:37:44 PM
presumably he meant 4933?
She did indeed.
Great. Now you're gonna get all these boys trying to impress you. Lol etc
We need more girls in the bus community. Its a total sausage-fest at bus shows.
According to the site, the ratio of male to female is 36.5:1 from 268 members.
Remember some members will choose not to share their gender
Or deliberately put a false one in!
4723 I think it was still in Perry Barr(: out on the 907 again
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 11, 2013, 08:04:14 AM
4723 I think it was still in Perry Barr(: out on the 907 again
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Still hanging on. On 115 in Erdington 1320hrs.
All of the 6 new Enviro400s Tony pictured yesterday are still in the same places in Walsall today.
When these enter service, then the remaining 47** Enviro400s would leave for Yardley Wood
4931's branding has been changed to Term Plus
Still just about new bus sightings then , lol ::)
4235 has gained a small dark red patch, not sure weather its peeling or what ?
4934 to 4939
When are these expected into service?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on December 12, 2013, 02:32:26 PM
Still just about new bus sightings then , lol ::)
Yeah we can tell you don't like it, but screw it that's what is happening at Perry Barr garage
Speaking of new bus sightings, one of them is on the Cap Gemini shuttle this evening
Interestingly the double on the 952 today was a ticket branded Enviro. 4855 was also on the 914. Are all of the new Enviros out yet? How many are yet to enter service?
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 16, 2013, 02:10:52 AM
Interestingly the double on the 952 today was a ticket branded Enviro. 4855 was also on the 914. Are all of the new Enviros out yet? How many are yet to enter service?
4934-4939 are still waiting to enter service :) and the ticket Branded Enviro on the 952 was 4930 :)
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 16, 2013, 08:57:33 AM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 16, 2013, 02:10:52 AM
Interestingly the double on the 952 today was a ticket branded Enviro. 4855 was also on the 914. Are all of the new Enviros out yet? How many are yet to enter service?
4934-4939 are still waiting to enter service :) and the ticket Branded Enviro on the 952 was 4930 :)
The 952 on a Sunday used to be usually operated by a lone 'Toothpaste' Enviro400, so the new ones might makes regular appearances on there on a Sunday
Does anyone know when 4934 to 4939 are due to enter service from Perry Barr.Are they still parked up at Walsall garage.
Quote from: PaddyGraham on December 16, 2013, 07:56:59 PM
Does anyone know when 4934 to 4939 are due to enter service from Perry Barr.Are they still parked up at Walsall garage.
To my knowledge they're still parked up at Walsall but I don't think it'll be long before they enter service :)
Yes, they are still all at Walsall as of 3.30 this afternoon
2 of the Enviro400s parked up at Walsall left for Perry Barr this morning
Quote from: John on December 17, 2013, 09:15:17 PM
2 of the Enviro400s parked up at Walsall left for Perry Barr this morning
Shouldn't be long before they enter service
One of the new enviros was in Pheasey yesterday on the 33 I think
4934-4937 have entered service today I've recorded short clips of them all on Moor Street I'll post links later
4938 - Charmaine - out on the 115/914, managed to snap it before heading off
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 18, 2013, 10:34:48 AM
4938 - Charmaine - out on the 115/914, managed to snap it before heading off
Just 4939 to look out for now ;)
It looks like the new Enviros are going to stick to the Sutton Lines as well as the 907, 115/914, as I thought they would ;D
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 18, 2013, 10:39:49 AM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 18, 2013, 10:34:48 AM
4938 - Charmaine - out on the 115/914, managed to snap it before heading off
Just 4939 to look out for now ;)
Think shes out on the 902/4/5 too, Ive got it down as 'Andrea' but its a 2 part name ;)
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 18, 2013, 12:31:13 PM
It looks like the new Enviros are going to stick to the Sutton Lines as well as the 907, 115/914, as I thought they would ;D
I saw one on the 33 Monday
Quote from: BU07 LGO on December 18, 2013, 02:05:32 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 18, 2013, 12:31:13 PM
It looks like the new Enviros are going to stick to the Sutton Lines as well as the 907, 115/914, as I thought they would ;D
I saw one on the 33 Monday
And 4855 was on the 907/914 Sunday, so it looks like the 907, 115/914 will predominantly E400 now
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 18, 2013, 01:02:33 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 18, 2013, 10:39:49 AM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 18, 2013, 10:34:48 AM
4938 - Charmaine - out on the 115/914, managed to snap it before heading off
Just 4939 to look out for now ;)
Think shes out on the 902/4/5 too, Ive got it down as 'Andrea' but its a 2 part name ;)
You only have to look at the photos on the main site to see what the names of the last 6 are
4939 on the 904 this morning, passing the King's Arms in Sutton at 11.30. Mint.
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 18, 2013, 01:02:33 PM
Think shes out on the 902/4/5 too, Ive got it down as 'Andrea' but its a 2 part name ;)
Sorry Nathan that's my fault! :P When I first saw 4939 parked at Walsall, for some strange reason, I only put down 'Andrea' in my phones notepad, and I only called it 'Andrea' when I put them on the forum. It is actually 'Andrea Elizabeth'
Listened to a PB Driver bitchfest outside Aston Uni as they were changing drivers yesterday. They are not happy. Apparently the new E400's are substantially slower and less powerful than the ones they've lost. A couple have already run out of AdBlue resulting in them going no faster than 25mph. Apparently one of these incidents was on the Expressway.
Quote from: andy on December 18, 2013, 05:54:16 PM
Listened to a PB Driver bitchfest outside Aston Uni as they were changing drivers yesterday. They are not happy. Apparently the new E400's are substantially slower and less powerful than the ones they've lost. A couple have already run out of AdBlue resulting in them going no faster than 25mph. Apparently one of these incidents was on the Expressway.
I can see their point, was on the 957 yesterday, driver was hurrying passengers on as he was running late and was trying to catch up time but it just wasn't having it, but they might settle in a bit soon though as the same was said about the new B7s
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on December 18, 2013, 06:45:45 PM
Quote from: andy on December 18, 2013, 05:54:16 PM
Listened to a PB Driver bitchfest outside Aston Uni as they were changing drivers yesterday. They are not happy. Apparently the new E400's are substantially slower and less powerful than the ones they've lost. A couple have already run out of AdBlue resulting in them going no faster than 25mph. Apparently one of these incidents was on the Expressway.
I can see their point, was on the 957 yesterday, driver was hurrying passengers on as he was running late and was trying to catch up time but it just wasn't having it, but they might settle in a bit soon though as the same was said about the new B7s
The 900 E400's are fine now. Still slow in comparison but better then when they were brand new. The BC engineering team/ADL After Sales Support seems to have clocked the ECU for better power delivery.. don't know how it has affected overall MPG.
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 18, 2013, 09:58:54 AM
4934-4937 have entered service today I've recorded short clips of them all on Moor Street I'll post links later
Here are the clips I promised of 4934-4937 :)
4934
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQhBnR3N470
4935
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLtrxjcqXZk
4936
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxb_qFAb9OE
4937
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irbjCwugSzI
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 18, 2013, 08:10:59 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 18, 2013, 09:58:54 AM
4934-4937 have entered service today I've recorded short clips of them all on Moor Street I'll post links later
Here are the clips I promised of 4934-4937 :)
4934
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQhBnR3N470
4935
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLtrxjcqXZk
4936
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxb_qFAb9OE
4937
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irbjCwugSzI
Sorry to sound slightly pedantic, but which route was each bus on ;D?
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 18, 2013, 08:17:22 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 18, 2013, 08:10:59 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 18, 2013, 09:58:54 AM
4934-4937 have entered service today I've recorded short clips of them all on Moor Street I'll post links later
Here are the clips I promised of 4934-4937 :)
4934
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQhBnR3N470
4935
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLtrxjcqXZk
4936
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxb_qFAb9OE
4937
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irbjCwugSzI
Sorry to sound slightly pedantic, but which route was each bus on ;D?
4934 - 904, 4935 - 902, 4936 - 907, 4937 - 914 :)
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 18, 2013, 08:24:52 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 18, 2013, 08:17:22 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 18, 2013, 08:10:59 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 18, 2013, 09:58:54 AM
4934-4937 have entered service today I've recorded short clips of them all on Moor Street I'll post links later
Here are the clips I promised of 4934-4937 :)
4934
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQhBnR3N470
4935
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLtrxjcqXZk
4936
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxb_qFAb9OE
4937
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irbjCwugSzI
Sorry to sound slightly pedantic, but which route was each bus on ;D?
4934 - 904, 4935 - 902, 4936 - 907, 4937 - 914 :)
Cheers Rob, I've been meaning to catch the 914 at some point
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 18, 2013, 08:25:50 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 18, 2013, 08:24:52 PM
Quote from: Sh4166 on December 18, 2013, 08:17:22 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 18, 2013, 08:10:59 PM
Quote from: Rob4367 on December 18, 2013, 09:58:54 AM
4934-4937 have entered service today I've recorded short clips of them all on Moor Street I'll post links later
Here are the clips I promised of 4934-4937 :)
4934
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQhBnR3N470
4935
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLtrxjcqXZk
4936
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxb_qFAb9OE
4937
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irbjCwugSzI
Sorry to sound slightly pedantic, but which route was each bus on ;D?
4934 - 904, 4935 - 902, 4936 - 907, 4937 - 914 :)
Cheers Rob, I've been meaning to catch the 914 at some point
No Worries Mate ;) The LED's are tricky to catch with my phone
Going to look for 4934 - 4939 later today. Can anybody tell me where they are please? Thanks
Quote from: Ashley on December 19, 2013, 10:22:28 AM
Going to look for 4934 - 4939 later today. Can anybody tell me where they are please? Thanks
Yesterday I seen them all out on the Sutton Lines (902/4/5, 914/115) so possibly there :) , but off out later so if i see them ill let you know
Quote from: Ashley on December 19, 2013, 10:22:28 AM
Going to look for 4934 - 4939 later today. Can anybody tell me where they are please? Thanks
4934 Sutton Parade
4935 Yenton
4936 Aston Expressway
4937 Horse and Jockey
4938 Aston, The Vine
4939 Square Peg
Cheers Nathan and 4778. Going for the whole set in two attempts thats all but thanks
Quote from: The Real 4778 on December 19, 2013, 12:00:52 PM
Quote from: Ashley on December 19, 2013, 10:22:28 AM
Going to look for 4934 - 4939 later today. Can anybody tell me where they are please? Thanks
4934 Sutton Parade
4935 Yenton
4936 Aston Expressway
4937 Horse and Jockey
4938 Aston, The Vine
4939 Square Peg
What route would this be on :)
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 19, 2013, 12:13:41 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on December 19, 2013, 12:00:52 PM
Quote from: Ashley on December 19, 2013, 10:22:28 AM
Going to look for 4934 - 4939 later today. Can anybody tell me where they are please? Thanks
4934 Sutton Parade
4935 Yenton
4936 Aston Expressway
4937 Horse and Jockey
4938 Aston, The Vine
4939 Square Peg
What route would this be on :)
I presume thats the old Ansells pub on Corporation Street, near Lancaster Circus.
Junction of Lichfield Road and Sandy Lane, but you need to be of a certain age to remember it was a pub to be honest, at least when it was an operational boozer!
4. If not 5 28's running towards Heartlands Hospital. Would this be the most 28's grouped together ?
Two 66's left town together too (1907+7028)
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 18, 2013, 10:34:48 AM
4938 - Charmaine - out on the 115/914, managed to snap it before heading off
Front;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/11453173406/
Back;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/11453171746/in/photostream/
Lily (4935)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/11453236333/
Quote from: The Real 4778 on December 19, 2013, 12:00:52 PM
Quote from: Ashley on December 19, 2013, 10:22:28 AM
Going to look for 4934 - 4939 later today. Can anybody tell me where they are please? Thanks
4934 Sutton Parade
4935 Yenton
4936 Aston Expressway
4937 Horse and Jockey
4938 Aston, The Vine
4939 Square Peg
Do you work in AVL?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 19, 2013, 06:23:17 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on December 19, 2013, 12:00:52 PM
Quote from: Ashley on December 19, 2013, 10:22:28 AM
Going to look for 4934 - 4939 later today. Can anybody tell me where they are please? Thanks
4934 Sutton Parade
4935 Yenton
4936 Aston Expressway
4937 Horse and Jockey
4938 Aston, The Vine
4939 Square Peg
Do you work in AVL?
Haha, brilliant.
Or the NXWM smartphone app... possibly?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 19, 2013, 06:30:21 PM
Or the NXWM smartphone app... possibly?
The day the smartphone app can do that, is the day when many bus-spotters will sigh and give up... ;D
There is a website that does this for London buses I believe, shows their position on a map?
I've used vehicle tracking software before, at my old job, so we could see where our delivery vans were at any time, shown realtime on a map.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 19, 2013, 06:23:17 PM
Do you work in AVL?
Australian Volleyball League?
I do as it happens, but how did you guess?
Quote from: Stu on December 19, 2013, 06:37:47 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 19, 2013, 06:30:21 PM
Or the NXWM smartphone app... possibly?
The day the smartphone app can do that, is the day when many bus-spotters will sigh and give up... ;D
There is a website that does this for London buses I believe, shows their position on a map?
I've used vehicle tracking software before, at my old job, so we could see where our delivery vans were at any time, shown realtime on a map.
London Vehicle Finder will tell you the exact position of any London bus!
Could be wrong but is there an Omnilink and a 49xx enviro on PB33 this morning?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 19, 2013, 03:06:27 PM
4. If not 5 28's running towards Heartlands Hospital. Would this be the most 28's grouped together ?
Two 66's left town together too (1907+7028)
Not surprised with either of them to be honest
Not sure it's been quite that bad with the 28 but it does get silly sometimes, waiting in Erdington for a bus home and 3 "fake" 28s turn up together, I figure I might as well get one of them to Dyas Road and walk instead of waiting for a "real" 28 to come
Ash I think its 4938 on the 33 its one of the evening5 branded (:.
I've never seen so many grouped together, I think one ran dead to Erdington or Heartands still displaying 28 to Heartlands Hosptial.
Thanks Nathan (:
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 21, 2013, 10:43:00 AM
Ash I think its 4938 on the 33 its one of the evening5 branded (:.
Yes it is 4938, it pulled in front of my 997 on Bull Street
4854, 4855 were on the 907. 4854's been debranded from the 33. 4698 was on the 16, probably justifies the Gemini (think it was 4484) on the 907
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 22, 2013, 12:29:24 AM
4854, 4855 were on the 907. 4854's been debranded from the 33. 4698 was on the 16, probably justifies the Gemini (think it was 4484) on the 907
4853-4856 have never been Branded ;)
Geminis are on the 907 all the time
4853 - 56 were all on sutton routes yesterday.
It seems a fair few Geminis have migrated to the 94
Yes Sunday does see a few extra Gemini's on the 94.
No I meant yesterday there was a few Gemini's on the 94 (saturday)
There was a Sutton Line branded Enviro on the 907/914 and ticket branded Enviros on the Sutton Line
I boarded 4937 tonight, 904, 21.50 ex city at moor st queensway which had arrived as a 905, surprised to see a full size mountain bike in the buggy bay , just wondered what the rules were regarding cycles....
Quote from: 37351ml on December 28, 2013, 11:55:53 PM
I boarded 4937 tonight, 904, 21.50 ex city at moor st queensway which had arrived as a 905, surprised to see a full size mountain bike in the buggy bay , just wondered what the rules were regarding cycles....
According to the Conditions of Carriage, non-folding bicycles aren't allowed on board
When Perry Barr ran the 997A which interworked with the 997 at Peaks did an Ominicity make it to Walsall or was it just Enviros?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 29, 2013, 11:58:55 PM
When Perry Barr ran the 997A which interworked with the 997 at Peaks did an Ominicity make it to Walsall or was it just Enviros?
I did see an OmniCity (4780) on the 997A one Saturday Morning, but I don't know if 997A journeys interworked with the 997 on a Saturday, so at least one OmniCity made it onto the 997A, so one might have worked the 997 on a Weekday
4301 has had some panels changed from white to grey :)
Gemini seem to more prevalent on the 907. It was mainly Enviro 400 for a while
Probally asking a silly question; were the ominicitys in use over xmas as I didn't see one ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on January 03, 2014, 02:23:41 PM
Probally asking a silly question; were the ominicitys in use over xmas as I didn't see one ?
More than likely.
Don't forget that 4780 is in for repaint, plus 4777 may not be in use. It had suffered a small minor engine fire by the looks of it, as it was dumped out the back of the garage with rear fire damage. That only leaves 4 fit for service out over Christmas
Quote from: John on January 03, 2014, 04:13:58 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on January 03, 2014, 02:23:41 PM
Probally asking a silly question; were the ominicitys in use over xmas as I didn't see one ?
More than likely.
Don't forget that 4780 is in for repaint, plus 4777 may not be in use. It had suffered a small minor engine fire by the looks of it, as it was dumped out the back of the garage with rear fire damage. That only leaves 4 fit for service out over Christmas
I forgot that, must have missed them being out.
Quote from: Nathan4775 on January 03, 2014, 02:23:41 PM
Probally asking a silly question; were the ominicitys in use over xmas as I didn't see one ?
There was one on the 907 the other day
4777 back in service, on the 7. Typical when I forget my camera :(
Quote from: Nathan4775 on January 04, 2014, 12:06:25 PM
4777 back in service, on the 7. Typical when I forget my camera :(
Good to hear its back out. 4780's refurb should hopefully be nearly completed
Quote from: John on January 04, 2014, 08:37:05 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on January 04, 2014, 12:06:25 PM
4777 back in service, on the 7. Typical when I forget my camera :(
Good to hear its back out. 4780's refurb should hopefully be nearly completed
I hope they haven't painted over everything and got rid of the silver light surrounds and panel under the windscreen :(
Quote from: BU07 LGO on January 05, 2014, 12:56:59 PM
Quote from: John on January 04, 2014, 08:37:05 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on January 04, 2014, 12:06:25 PM
4777 back in service, on the 7. Typical when I forget my camera :(
Good to hear its back out. 4780's refurb should hopefully be nearly completed
I hope they haven't painted over everything and got rid of the silver light surrounds and panel under the windscreen :(
That has been the way with the OmniLink repaints. I can not see the silver headlights been left. (It would be nice though)
Apart from 1833, which might have been painted elsewhere, as all badges, and silver were left on when it was repainted (this may also be the reason why the seats were not refurbished).
Quote from: John on January 05, 2014, 01:09:08 PM
Quote from: BU07 LGO on January 05, 2014, 12:56:59 PM
Quote from: John on January 04, 2014, 08:37:05 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on January 04, 2014, 12:06:25 PM
4777 back in service, on the 7. Typical when I forget my camera :(
Good to hear its back out. 4780's refurb should hopefully be nearly completed
I hope they haven't painted over everything and got rid of the silver light surrounds and panel under the windscreen :(
That has been the way with the OmniLink repaints. I can not see the silver headlights been left. (It would be nice though)
Apart from 1833, which might have been painted elsewhere, as all badges, and silver were left on when it was repainted (this may also be the reason why the seats were not refurbished).
I don't mind the silver being painted over as it covers up where the Scania logos were rediculously removed! Really would the passengers think they were catching the 17 run by Scania
Quote from: BU07 LGO on January 05, 2014, 12:56:59 PM
Quote from: John on January 04, 2014, 08:37:05 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on January 04, 2014, 12:06:25 PM
4777 back in service, on the 7. Typical when I forget my camera :(
Good to hear its back out. 4780's refurb should hopefully be nearly completed
I hope they haven't painted over everything and got rid of the silver light surrounds and panel under the windscreen :(
Oh they will have done, it's a key principle of this 'livery, ' to obliterate all individuality of the bus designers and manufacturers.
There was a ticket branded Enviro on the 33 & 46, and a mixture of 4914-4939 appeared on the 907/914
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 05, 2014, 07:19:52 PM
There was a ticket branded Enviro on the 33 & 46, and a mixture of 4914-4939 appeared on the 907/914
Missed it again an I live so close to the route ::)
So just the 101 left now :D
Quote from: Nathan4775 on January 05, 2014, 07:21:23 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 05, 2014, 07:19:52 PM
There was a ticket branded Enviro on the 33 & 46, and a mixture of 4914-4939 appeared on the 907/914
Missed it again an I live so close to the route ::)
So just the 101 left now :D
And the 654
Quote from: Lukeee on January 05, 2014, 08:33:02 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on January 05, 2014, 07:21:23 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 05, 2014, 07:19:52 PM
There was a ticket branded Enviro on the 33 & 46, and a mixture of 4914-4939 appeared on the 907/914
Missed it again an I live so close to the route ::)
So just the 101 left now :D
And the 654
Didnt know doubles could do the 654?
whislt on the subject
can doubles work the 66A ? if so then thats another one
Quote from: Nathan4775 on January 05, 2014, 08:43:15 PM
Didnt know doubles could do the 654?
whislt on the subject
can doubles work the 66A ? if so then thats another one
Wouldn't think deckers could do the 654. Some of the trees in Handsworth Wood are have low branches that a decker would strike. There has never been one reported on it. We would have heard on one on there by now, as the 651 has had a decker on it on 2 separate occasions
I don't think deckers can work the 66A. Bridge on Station Road, Erdington
Quote from: John on January 05, 2014, 08:50:52 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on January 05, 2014, 08:43:15 PM
Didnt know doubles could do the 654?
whislt on the subject
can doubles work the 66A ? if so then thats another one
Wouldn't think deckers could do the 654. Some of the trees in Handsworth Wood are have low branches that a decker would strike. There has never been one reported on it. We would have heard on one on there by now, as the 651 has had a decker on it on 2 separate occasions
I don't think deckers can work the 66A. Bridge on Station Road, Erdington
Wasn't too sure with the route change it still served Staion Rd :)
They were both ALX's wasn't they. On the 651
Yes Nathan. 4281 was one of the two on the 651
What about the BA contract service near Maypole? A new enviro or in fact any enviro has been noted on there
Quote from: Ashley on January 05, 2014, 09:42:17 PM
What about the BA contract service near Maypole? A new enviro or in fact any enviro has been noted on there
I have only ever heard of a Solo operating that contract. I have no idea if any other type could operate that, or if a bigger bus is needed.
The new Enviro400s do work the CG Contract in the City Centre on occasions
Quote from: Ashley on January 05, 2014, 09:42:17 PM
Yes Nathan. 4281 was one of the two on the 651
What about the BA contract service near Maypole? A new enviro or in fact any enviro has been noted on there
Thanks ash I thought they were.
Is the BA similar to the CG ? Timetable wise ?
I don't know Nathan. I just seem to be the one who's noted all the B7TL occurences which makes a nice sight on Maypole Island in compraison to the pink panthers on the 50
Saw a NXWM liveried Optare Solo heading through Cotteridge this evening. Any ideas?
Think it's the BA contract service that runs through Cotteridge. Starts at Maypole. Sometimes if you get a decker on it they display "Phoenix Green"
Quote from: Ashley on January 09, 2014, 01:21:54 AM
Think it's the BA contract service that runs through Cotteridge. Starts at Maypole. Sometimes if you get a decker on it they display "Phoenix Green"
Correct. Waits time at Man On The Moon in the morning.
4780 now back at PB, Personal opinion is of all the vehicle types in the new livery it suits this design best - pho on main site later
On the NX website last year they had a Photoshopped OmniCity dd and I thought it looked good. I'm sure it will look better in the flesh
Quote from: Tony on January 10, 2014, 03:08:34 PM
4780 now back at PB, Personal opinion is of all the vehicle types in the new livery it suits this design best - pho on main site later
Here it is
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4780.html
Quote from: Tony on January 10, 2014, 07:35:48 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 10, 2014, 03:08:34 PM
4780 now back at PB, Personal opinion is of all the vehicle types in the new livery it suits this design best - pho on main site later
Here it is
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4780.html
Looks like a totally different bus! Nice work!
Quote from: Tony on January 10, 2014, 07:35:48 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 10, 2014, 03:08:34 PM
4780 now back at PB, Personal opinion is of all the vehicle types in the new livery it suits this design best - pho on main site later
Here it is
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4780.html
That livery does really suit the Scanias well.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2014, 07:47:33 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 10, 2014, 07:35:48 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 10, 2014, 03:08:34 PM
4780 now back at PB, Personal opinion is of all the vehicle types in the new livery it suits this design best - pho on main site later
Here it is
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4780.html
That livery does really suit the Scanias well.
Looks good! One small thing I'd change is leave the bottom section of the T advert frames as black rather than red/white
Quote from: Winston on January 10, 2014, 08:30:22 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2014, 07:47:33 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 10, 2014, 07:35:48 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 10, 2014, 03:08:34 PM
4780 now back at PB, Personal opinion is of all the vehicle types in the new livery it suits this design best - pho on main site later
Here it is
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4780.html
That livery does really suit the Scanias well.
Looks good! One small thing I'd change is leave the bottom section of the T advert frames as black rather than red/white
Certainly an improvement from before. :) I did think that about the advert frame but it might look better when an advert is fitted
Looks superb...but agree with Winston re the advert panel.;-)
Quote from: Tony on January 10, 2014, 07:35:48 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 10, 2014, 03:08:34 PM
4780 now back at PB, Personal opinion is of all the vehicle types in the new livery it suits this design best - pho on main site later
Here it is
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4780.html
That's really strange. Toothpaste livery was more suited in my opinion. It will be even more weird when 4698 is repainted
Won't look like that for long when the weather and dirt and bus washes get the bus
In that light, it reminds me of the president repaints in the dark shade of red. It definitely looks a lot better than I thought it would though.
Wonder how many of your average punters will mistake it for a new bus?
A work colleague has tried to explain the vehicle registration system to me.
I knew where I was with the old system.
Haven't a clue with the current system.
Quote from: Tony on January 10, 2014, 07:35:48 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 10, 2014, 03:08:34 PM
4780 now back at PB, Personal opinion is of all the vehicle types in the new livery it suits this design best - pho on main site later
Here it is
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4780.html
Now THAT looks nice!
Well done NX!
Really fond of these and I think that's looks super!
I was hoping that 4780 was still knocking about the garage today, but was not inside (I wanted to be nosey!). There was another 2 OmniCitys parked up and at least 4 OmniCity Artics parked in the garage today, and obviously quite a few deckers on the 67, including a Gemini, at least 2 ALX400s and an Enviro400
I'd say, repaint / refurbish all the omnicities to look like that, put them all on the 94, they'll think they've had an upgrade, job done
They do look really good. I wonder what they would look like with branding?
The branding for the Evening saver had been changed from £5 to £7, on 4936-9
Plus 4933 is on the 33 today
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/11906901835/
Quote from: John on January 11, 2014, 04:28:48 PM
I was hoping that 4780 was still knocking about the garage today, but was not inside (I wanted to be nosey!). There was another 2 OmniCitys parked up and at least 4 OmniCity Artics parked in the garage today, and obviously quite a few deckers on the 67, including a Gemini, at least 2 ALX400s and an Enviro400
Omnicity 4779 on the 7 today
Quote from: Tony on January 10, 2014, 03:08:34 PM
4780 now back at PB, Personal opinion is of all the vehicle types in the new livery it suits this design best - pho on main site later
Well now! That is stunning!
Mind you I'm very used to the look of the front half as a one-time daily commuter on the 205 to Mile End!
Leather seated 1846 is on the 28. Saw it on Beeches Road around half 4 heading towards Erdington
Solo 320 I think it was had gained an LED display, on the front at least, did not see the back and sides
Quote from: John on January 15, 2014, 04:03:19 PM
Solo 320 I think it was had gained an LED display, on the front at least, did not see the back and sides
I would have thought the Solo's would possibly been wiped out in the next year or so with the new buses due over the coming few years
Quote from: Westy on January 11, 2014, 12:09:41 AM
Wonder how many of your average punters will mistake it for a new bus?
Definitely agree, if I were National Express I would have shoved a personalise reg plate on it, then no one would have any idea
The O405N having work done in Perry Barr is 1687, it is been converted into a mobile classroom by the looks of it, some windows panelled over and a little room has been created on the nearside around halfway down the bus
Quote from: John on January 15, 2014, 04:03:19 PM
Solo 320 I think it was had gained an LED display, on the front at least, did not see the back and sides
Yes it is 320
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/0116-0422/320.html
Side is done, but not back, I saw 319 & 286 today, neither of those have been done
Quote from: Tony on January 18, 2014, 07:36:39 PM
Quote from: John on January 15, 2014, 04:03:19 PM
Solo 320 I think it was had gained an LED display, on the front at least, did not see the back and sides
Yes it is 320
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/0116-0422/320.html
Side is done, but not back, I saw 319 & 286 today, neither of those have been done
I know quite a few people don't rate Solos but I think the fact some of them have managed over 14 years in service with a major operator shows what a good bus they actually are. I also like driving them as they are quite punchy for a small bus. Most minibuses in the past only lasted 7/8 years before withdrawal so these have more than paid their way. Hopefully one will get preserved when they finally end service - 320 would be a good candidate.
Take it that the Solo's have a little life left in them then?
What is the normal allocation of the 907 these days?
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 18, 2014, 09:53:43 PM
What is the normal allocation of the 907 these days?
Gemini's and 63 plate E400's I think :)
There was a few OmniCitys on the 907 today, including 4697. There was also an ALX400 on there.
I think normally, it is mostly Enviro400 and OmniCity, with the occasional B7TL
Quote from: John on January 18, 2014, 10:38:37 PM
There was a few OmniCitys on the 907 today, including 4697. There was also an ALX400 on there.
I think normally, it is mostly Enviro400 and OmniCity, with the occasional B7TL
Thanks John
Quote from: John on January 18, 2014, 10:38:37 PM
There was a few OmniCitys on the 907 today, including 4697. There was also an ALX400 on there.
I think normally, it is mostly Enviro400 and OmniCity, with the occasional B7TL
Thanks for that John :) I was just going off what was posted on here recently and guesswork :) I do really need to make a trip to Birmingham soon so I can get up to date with the latest goings on :)
Quote from: j789 on January 18, 2014, 08:45:31 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 18, 2014, 07:36:39 PM
Quote from: John on January 15, 2014, 04:03:19 PM
Solo 320 I think it was had gained an LED display, on the front at least, did not see the back and sides
Yes it is 320
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/0116-0422/320.html
Side is done, but not back, I saw 319 & 286 today, neither of those have been done
I know quite a few people don't rate Solos but I think the fact some of them have managed over 14 years in service with a major operator shows what a good bus they actually are. I also like driving them as they are quite punchy for a small bus. Most minibuses in the past only lasted 7/8 years before withdrawal so these have more than paid their way. Hopefully one will get preserved when they finally end service - 320 would be a good candidate.
Its a love/hate thing... Personally I think they're good for the job they do but for f***s sake stop putting them on the 28
Quote from: Kevin on January 18, 2014, 11:07:02 PM
Quote from: j789 on January 18, 2014, 08:45:31 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 18, 2014, 07:36:39 PM
Quote from: John on January 15, 2014, 04:03:19 PM
Solo 320 I think it was had gained an LED display, on the front at least, did not see the back and sides
Yes it is 320
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/0116-0422/320.html
Side is done, but not back, I saw 319 & 286 today, neither of those have been done
I know quite a few people don't rate Solos but I think the fact some of them have managed over 14 years in service with a major operator shows what a good bus they actually are. I also like driving them as they are quite punchy for a small bus. Most minibuses in the past only lasted 7/8 years before withdrawal so these have more than paid their way. Hopefully one will get preserved when they finally end service - 320 would be a good candidate.
Its a love/hate thing... Personally I think they're good for the job they do but for f***s sake stop putting them on the 28
I'll miss them when there withdrawn, there nice little buses
Quote from: Lukeee on January 19, 2014, 08:40:12 PM
Quote from: Kevin on January 18, 2014, 11:07:02 PM
Quote from: j789 on January 18, 2014, 08:45:31 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 18, 2014, 07:36:39 PM
Quote from: John on January 15, 2014, 04:03:19 PM
Solo 320 I think it was had gained an LED display, on the front at least, did not see the back and sides
Yes it is 320
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/0116-0422/320.html
Side is done, but not back, I saw 319 & 286 today, neither of those have been done
I know quite a few people don't rate Solos but I think the fact some of them have managed over 14 years in service with a major operator shows what a good bus they actually are. I also like driving them as they are quite punchy for a small bus. Most minibuses in the past only lasted 7/8 years before withdrawal so these have more than paid their way. Hopefully one will get preserved when they finally end service - 320 would be a good candidate.
Its a love/hate thing... Personally I think they're good for the job they do but for f***s sake stop putting them on the 28
I'll miss them when there withdrawn, there nice little buses
I have to agree with you there Lukeee I miss the Solos AG had for the 42C/671/672 they were Great Buses
Quote from: Rob H on January 19, 2014, 09:28:56 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on January 19, 2014, 08:40:12 PM
Quote from: Kevin on January 18, 2014, 11:07:02 PM
Quote from: j789 on January 18, 2014, 08:45:31 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 18, 2014, 07:36:39 PM
Quote from: John on January 15, 2014, 04:03:19 PM
Solo 320 I think it was had gained an LED display, on the front at least, did not see the back and sides
Yes it is 320
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/0116-0422/320.html
Side is done, but not back, I saw 319 & 286 today, neither of those have been done
I know quite a few people don't rate Solos but I think the fact some of them have managed over 14 years in service with a major operator shows what a good bus they actually are. I also like driving them as they are quite punchy for a small bus. Most minibuses in the past only lasted 7/8 years before withdrawal so these have more than paid their way. Hopefully one will get preserved when they finally end service - 320 would be a good candidate.
Its a love/hate thing... Personally I think they're good for the job they do but for f***s sake stop putting them on the 28
I'll miss them when there withdrawn, there nice little buses
I have to agree with you there Lukeee I miss the Solos AG had for the 42C/671/672 they were Great Buses
How many solos are left and where are they used now?
286/7,303/19/20 are the Solo's left at PB usually on the 654 and I think it called the BA contract which goes past the Maypole.
WN had some Solo's up till the end of January 2013 but were withdrawn and replaced by cascaded B6's from BC and PE
Leather seated OmniLink 1846 on the 28 today
Quote from: John on January 26, 2014, 08:27:39 PM
Leather seated OmniLink 1846 on the 28 today
A leather seated one was on the 46 yesterday - is this normal?
Quote from: John on January 26, 2014, 08:27:39 PM
Leather seated OmniLink 1846 on the 28 today
Was this the bus you were driving John or did you see it go past? :) BTW I hope you had a great first day in your new job :)
Quote from: Matt on January 26, 2014, 08:34:44 PM
Quote from: John on January 26, 2014, 08:27:39 PM
Leather seated OmniLink 1846 on the 28 today
A leather seated one was on the 46 yesterday - is this normal?
I have not seen one on the 46 before.
They do appear on the 66 and 28 occasionally. I haven't seen one used on a Sunday though
Quote from: John on January 26, 2014, 08:37:28 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 26, 2014, 08:34:44 PM
Quote from: John on January 26, 2014, 08:27:39 PM
Leather seated OmniLink 1846 on the 28 today
A leather seated one was on the 46 yesterday - is this normal?
I have not seen one on the 46 before.
They do appear on the 66 and 28 occasionally. I haven't seen one used on a Sunday though
They have been allocated to the 46 before :)
Quote from: Matt on January 26, 2014, 08:34:44 PM
Quote from: John on January 26, 2014, 08:27:39 PM
Leather seated OmniLink 1846 on the 28 today
A leather seated one was on the 46 yesterday - is this normal?
I would say they are unusual, I have never seen a leather seated one on there whilst I have been in Brum but it is usually double deck operated when I have seen it with the odd Standard seated Omnilinks
Quote from: Nathan on January 26, 2014, 08:36:16 PM
Quote from: John on January 26, 2014, 08:27:39 PM
Leather seated OmniLink 1846 on the 28 today
Was this the bus you were driving John or did you see it go past? :) BTW I hope you had a great first day in your new job :)
No, I saw it go the other way.
I had 7027 for 2 trips to Small Heath and back to Dyas Rd (I drove the second trip, as I wanted to watch the buddy driver do the 1st as I was unsure of the route from Heartlands - Small Heath). Really enjoyed it actually after about 20 minutes. I ended up been 15 minutes late but as long as I made it in one piece, and safe for the passengers, that don't matter
Quote from: Nathan on January 26, 2014, 08:40:09 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 26, 2014, 08:34:44 PM
Quote from: John on January 26, 2014, 08:27:39 PM
Leather seated OmniLink 1846 on the 28 today
A leather seated one was on the 46 yesterday - is this normal?
I would say they are unusual, I have never seen a leather seated one on there whilst I have been in Brum but I can't really speak for Sunday but isn't it double decker operated on Sundays?
Typically it is (usually Gemini allocated) but you do get the rare single decker on sunday
I remembered when 303 was allocated to the 46 :)
Leather ones are unusual though having said that (dont they stick to 952 usually?)
@John - so you are on the 28's rota? :)
Quote from: Nathan on January 26, 2014, 08:40:09 PM
I would say they are unusual, I have never seen a leather seated one on there whilst I have been in Brum but I can't really speak for Sunday but isn't it double decker operated on Sundays?
Both the 952 and 46 are decker operated on Sundays. The 952 has one of the new Enviro400s, and I think the 46 has B7TLs
Quote from: vinh1000 on January 26, 2014, 08:41:38 PM
@John - so you are on the 28's rota? :)
I'm not on a rota yet, I am doing other drivers shifts with them on the bus so they can help with fares/route (buddy drivers they are called). this week, I am on the 28 again tomorrow, then the 33 on Tuesday, and the 94 Wed/Thu
Were you driving 1866 John?
Quote from: 4Q on January 27, 2014, 01:20:10 PM
Were you driving 1866 John?
Yes I have been this morning
Not rare anymore so I'll mention it here, another Solo on the 28. Can not remember the fleetnumber, even though I have passed it 4 times!
Quote from: John on January 27, 2014, 01:21:33 PM
Quote from: 4Q on January 27, 2014, 01:20:10 PM
Were you driving 1866 John?
Yes I have been this morning
Nice to put a face to the name! How are you finding it?
Quote from: 4Q on January 27, 2014, 03:34:35 PM
Quote from: John on January 27, 2014, 01:21:33 PM
Quote from: 4Q on January 27, 2014, 01:20:10 PM
Were you driving 1866 John?
Yes I have been this morning
Nice to put a face to the name! How are you finding it?
It's been a long day, but I really enjoyed it. Got the 33s tomorrow, so something a bit different
Quote from: John on January 27, 2014, 09:29:49 PM
Quote from: 4Q on January 27, 2014, 03:34:35 PM
Quote from: John on January 27, 2014, 01:21:33 PM
Quote from: 4Q on January 27, 2014, 01:20:10 PM
Were you driving 1866 John?
Yes I have been this morning
Nice to put a face to the name! How are you finding it?
It's been a long day, but I really enjoyed it. Got the 33s tomorrow, so something a bit different
What type are you hoping for, John?
Aww, 1866, top scania, look after her for me :)
Good luck with work :)
Anybody know if any other Omnicities have gone in for refurb yet?
Quote from: Matt on January 27, 2014, 10:46:37 PM
What type are you hoping for, John?
If you mean bus type Matt, then it will more than likely an Enviro400, but as reported yesterday, both 4301 and a Gemini were both on the 33 yesterday, so I don't mind which turns up :)
Quote from: lauren1993 on January 27, 2014, 10:56:17 PM
Aww, 1866, top scania, look after her for me :)
Good luck with work :)
Thanks Lauren
Quote from: JB93 on January 28, 2014, 02:22:45 AM
Anybody know if any other Omnicities have gone in for refurb yet?
I'm sure Tony has said that 4781 is now in for refurb
Quote from: John on January 27, 2014, 01:21:33 PM
Quote from: 4Q on January 27, 2014, 01:20:10 PM
Were you driving 1866 John?
Yes I have been this morning
Not rare anymore so I'll mention it here, another Solo on the 28. Can not remember the fleetnumber, even though I have passed it 4 times!
John were you driving 4854 this morning in Birmingham around 10:20-10:25? :) I'm only asking because I may have seen you and some other chap at the front while I was aboard 4910 on the 957 :)
Quote from: JB93 on January 28, 2014, 02:22:45 AM
Anybody know if any other Omnicities have gone in for refurb yet?
4781
Quote from: Rob H on January 28, 2014, 03:07:11 PM
John were you driving 4854 this morning in Birmingham around 10:20-10:25? :) I'm only asking because I may have seen you and some other chap at the front while I was aboard 4910 on the 957 :)
I was on 4854 this morning Rob, but not driving.
I did drive 4852 this afternoon for a round trip
Quote from: John on January 28, 2014, 08:13:00 PM
Quote from: Rob H on January 28, 2014, 03:07:11 PM
John were you driving 4854 this morning in Birmingham around 10:20-10:25? :) I'm only asking because I may have seen you and some other chap at the front while I was aboard 4910 on the 957 :)
I was on 4854 this morning Rob, but not driving.
I did drive 4852 this afternoon for a round trip
Was you sitting on one of the front two seats? :)
Quote from: Rob H on January 28, 2014, 08:15:50 PM
Was you sitting on one of the front two seats? :)
Yes, passenger side ;)
Quote from: John on January 28, 2014, 08:13:00 PM
Quote from: Rob H on January 28, 2014, 03:07:11 PM
John were you driving 4854 this morning in Birmingham around 10:20-10:25? :) I'm only asking because I may have seen you and some other chap at the front while I was aboard 4910 on the 957 :)
I was on 4854 this morning Rob, but not driving.
I did drive 4852 this afternoon for a round trip
How did you find driving the E400 in service? Was it a busy trip John :)
Quote from: John on January 28, 2014, 08:18:34 PM
Quote from: Rob H on January 28, 2014, 08:15:50 PM
Was you sitting on one of the front two seats? :)
Yes, passenger side ;)
Yes I seen you then ;) Are you driving any buses tomorrow? :)
Quote from: Nathan on January 28, 2014, 08:21:26 PM
How did you find driving the E400 in service? Was it a busy trip John :)
Nice buses to drive, the Enviro400s. The favourites have to be both of the Scanias
I got on at 3.11pm, so it was starting to get busy. I had a full bus leaving town on both decks. Ended up at Pheasey 16 minutes late (combination of traffic, time to load passengers and me not been used to driving the route) but that dropped to about 8 minutes when the buddy driver took over in town
Quote from: Rob H on January 28, 2014, 08:24:39 PM
Yes I seen you then ;) Are you driving any buses tomorrow? :)
On the 94s for next two days, so will be driving some journeys All buddy drivers are different, the lady with me on the 28s let me drive all journeys yesterday, as opposed to 1 1/2 trips out of 5 33 trips today. I don't mind though as I can make sure I know the route perfectly
4937 having a day on the 33 today
4516 has had a whoopsie...
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2014/01/31/woman-taken-to-hospital-after-birmingham-smash/
Quote from: John on January 28, 2014, 08:35:05 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 28, 2014, 08:21:26 PM
How did you find driving the E400 in service? Was it a busy trip John :)
Nice buses to drive, the Enviro400s. The favourites have to be both of the Scanias
I got on at 3.11pm, so it was starting to get busy. I had a full bus leaving town on both decks. Ended up at Pheasey 16 minutes late (combination of traffic, time to load passengers and me not been used to driving the route) but that dropped to about 8 minutes when the buddy driver took over in town
Quote from: Rob H on January 28, 2014, 08:24:39 PM
Yes I seen you then ;) Are you driving any buses tomorrow? :)
On the 94s for next two days, so will be driving some journeys All buddy drivers are different, the lady with me on the 28s let me drive all journeys yesterday, as opposed to 1 1/2 trips out of 5 33 trips today. I don't mind though as I can make sure I know the route perfectly
Managed to drive any Gemini or ALXs yet? What are they like to drive? I've always imagined the Gemini is a quality bus to drive :P
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 31, 2014, 06:17:10 PM
Quote from: John on January 28, 2014, 08:35:05 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 28, 2014, 08:21:26 PM
How did you find driving the E400 in service? Was it a busy trip John :)
Nice buses to drive, the Enviro400s. The favourites have to be both of the Scanias
I got on at 3.11pm, so it was starting to get busy. I had a full bus leaving town on both decks. Ended up at Pheasey 16 minutes late (combination of traffic, time to load passengers and me not been used to driving the route) but that dropped to about 8 minutes when the buddy driver took over in town
Quote from: Rob H on January 28, 2014, 08:24:39 PM
Yes I seen you then ;) Are you driving any buses tomorrow? :)
On the 94s for next two days, so will be driving some journeys All buddy drivers are different, the lady with me on the 28s let me drive all journeys yesterday, as opposed to 1 1/2 trips out of 5 33 trips today. I don't mind though as I can make sure I know the route perfectly
Managed to drive any Gemini or ALXs yet? What are they like to drive? I've always imagined the Gemini is a quality bus to drive :P
I'd love to drive a Gemini, unfortunately given Pensnett is the garage I'd probably work for, unless something radical happens I don't think I'd get to!
Quote from: Matt on January 31, 2014, 06:23:33 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 31, 2014, 06:17:10 PM
Quote from: John on January 28, 2014, 08:35:05 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 28, 2014, 08:21:26 PM
How did you find driving the E400 in service? Was it a busy trip John :)
Nice buses to drive, the Enviro400s. The favourites have to be both of the Scanias
I got on at 3.11pm, so it was starting to get busy. I had a full bus leaving town on both decks. Ended up at Pheasey 16 minutes late (combination of traffic, time to load passengers and me not been used to driving the route) but that dropped to about 8 minutes when the buddy driver took over in town
Quote from: Rob H on January 28, 2014, 08:24:39 PM
Yes I seen you then ;) Are you driving any buses tomorrow? :)
On the 94s for next two days, so will be driving some journeys All buddy drivers are different, the lady with me on the 28s let me drive all journeys yesterday, as opposed to 1 1/2 trips out of 5 33 trips today. I don't mind though as I can make sure I know the route perfectly
Managed to drive any Gemini or ALXs yet? What are they like to drive? I've always imagined the Gemini is a quality bus to drive :P
I'd love to drive a Gemini, unfortunately given Pensnett is the garage I'd probably work for, unless something radical happens I don't think I'd get to!
You're assuming Pensnett will have you.... :P
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 31, 2014, 06:17:10 PM
Managed to drive any Gemini or ALXs yet? What are they like to drive? I've always imagined the Gemini is a quality bus to drive :P
Yes, had both yesterday. I had 4300 in the morning and 4497 in the afternoon (I have also driven 4479, 4239, 4243 and 4254). They are both nice buses to drive when you get a good one (4239 is not a good one! Brakes are awful on it). The Gemini had better kickdown than the ALX400 though, but both are near enough the same to drive. I brought 4497 back to garage last night as well from Chelmsley, the speed limiter was set around 46mph, getting 50 downhill on the Collector Road
The only thing I didn't like on the Gemini is the location of the ticket machine. It is right next to the cash chute, and it is very difficult to see the money people put in it
Quote from: Winston on January 31, 2014, 06:26:33 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 31, 2014, 06:23:33 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 31, 2014, 06:17:10 PM
Quote from: John on January 28, 2014, 08:35:05 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 28, 2014, 08:21:26 PM
How did you find driving the E400 in service? Was it a busy trip John :)
Nice buses to drive, the Enviro400s. The favourites have to be both of the Scanias
I got on at 3.11pm, so it was starting to get busy. I had a full bus leaving town on both decks. Ended up at Pheasey 16 minutes late (combination of traffic, time to load passengers and me not been used to driving the route) but that dropped to about 8 minutes when the buddy driver took over in town
Quote from: Rob H on January 28, 2014, 08:24:39 PM
Yes I seen you then ;) Are you driving any buses tomorrow? :)
On the 94s for next two days, so will be driving some journeys All buddy drivers are different, the lady with me on the 28s let me drive all journeys yesterday, as opposed to 1 1/2 trips out of 5 33 trips today. I don't mind though as I can make sure I know the route perfectly
Managed to drive any Gemini or ALXs yet? What are they like to drive? I've always imagined the Gemini is a quality bus to drive :P
I'd love to drive a Gemini, unfortunately given Pensnett is the garage I'd probably work for, unless something radical happens I don't think I'd get to!
You're assuming Pensnett will have you.... :P
No, note the conditional tense I wrote that post in. ;)
Quote from: Matt on January 31, 2014, 06:35:16 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 31, 2014, 06:26:33 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 31, 2014, 06:23:33 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 31, 2014, 06:17:10 PM
Quote from: John on January 28, 2014, 08:35:05 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 28, 2014, 08:21:26 PM
How did you find driving the E400 in service? Was it a busy trip John :)
Nice buses to drive, the Enviro400s. The favourites have to be both of the Scanias
I got on at 3.11pm, so it was starting to get busy. I had a full bus leaving town on both decks. Ended up at Pheasey 16 minutes late (combination of traffic, time to load passengers and me not been used to driving the route) but that dropped to about 8 minutes when the buddy driver took over in town
Quote from: Rob H on January 28, 2014, 08:24:39 PM
Yes I seen you then ;) Are you driving any buses tomorrow? :)
On the 94s for next two days, so will be driving some journeys All buddy drivers are different, the lady with me on the 28s let me drive all journeys yesterday, as opposed to 1 1/2 trips out of 5 33 trips today. I don't mind though as I can make sure I know the route perfectly
Managed to drive any Gemini or ALXs yet? What are they like to drive? I've always imagined the Gemini is a quality bus to drive :P
I'd love to drive a Gemini, unfortunately given Pensnett is the garage I'd probably work for, unless something radical happens I don't think I'd get to!
You're assuming Pensnett will have you.... :P
No, note the conditional tense I wrote that post in. ;)
The 'conditional tense' being that Pensnett don't want you thrashing their buses & making them scream....... :P
Quote from: Winston on January 31, 2014, 08:28:48 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 31, 2014, 06:35:16 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 31, 2014, 06:26:33 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 31, 2014, 06:23:33 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 31, 2014, 06:17:10 PM
Quote from: John on January 28, 2014, 08:35:05 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 28, 2014, 08:21:26 PM
How did you find driving the E400 in service? Was it a busy trip John :)
Nice buses to drive, the Enviro400s. The favourites have to be both of the Scanias
I got on at 3.11pm, so it was starting to get busy. I had a full bus leaving town on both decks. Ended up at Pheasey 16 minutes late (combination of traffic, time to load passengers and me not been used to driving the route) but that dropped to about 8 minutes when the buddy driver took over in town
Quote from: Rob H on January 28, 2014, 08:24:39 PM
Yes I seen you then ;) Are you driving any buses tomorrow? :)
On the 94s for next two days, so will be driving some journeys All buddy drivers are different, the lady with me on the 28s let me drive all journeys yesterday, as opposed to 1 1/2 trips out of 5 33 trips today. I don't mind though as I can make sure I know the route perfectly
Managed to drive any Gemini or ALXs yet? What are they like to drive? I've always imagined the Gemini is a quality bus to drive :P
I'd love to drive a Gemini, unfortunately given Pensnett is the garage I'd probably work for, unless something radical happens I don't think I'd get to!
You're assuming Pensnett will have you.... :P
No, note the conditional tense I wrote that post in. ;)
The 'conditional tense' being that Pensnett don't want you thrashing their buses & making them scream....... :P
If I was lucky enough to drive at Pensnett, or at any other garage or company, passenger safety and comfort would be my priority and I would do my utmost to ensure that it is not compromised. It would be irresponsible to behave in any other way.
Quote from: Matt on January 31, 2014, 08:33:44 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 31, 2014, 08:28:48 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 31, 2014, 06:35:16 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 31, 2014, 06:26:33 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 31, 2014, 06:23:33 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 31, 2014, 06:17:10 PM
Quote from: John on January 28, 2014, 08:35:05 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 28, 2014, 08:21:26 PM
How did you find driving the E400 in service? Was it a busy trip John :)
Nice buses to drive, the Enviro400s. The favourites have to be both of the Scanias
I got on at 3.11pm, so it was starting to get busy. I had a full bus leaving town on both decks. Ended up at Pheasey 16 minutes late (combination of traffic, time to load passengers and me not been used to driving the route) but that dropped to about 8 minutes when the buddy driver took over in town
Quote from: Rob H on January 28, 2014, 08:24:39 PM
Yes I seen you then ;) Are you driving any buses tomorrow? :)
On the 94s for next two days, so will be driving some journeys All buddy drivers are different, the lady with me on the 28s let me drive all journeys yesterday, as opposed to 1 1/2 trips out of 5 33 trips today. I don't mind though as I can make sure I know the route perfectly
Managed to drive any Gemini or ALXs yet? What are they like to drive? I've always imagined the Gemini is a quality bus to drive :P
I'd love to drive a Gemini, unfortunately given Pensnett is the garage I'd probably work for, unless something radical happens I don't think I'd get to!
You're assuming Pensnett will have you.... :P
No, note the conditional tense I wrote that post in. ;)
The 'conditional tense' being that Pensnett don't want you thrashing their buses & making them scream....... :P
If I was lucky enough to drive at Pensnett, or at any other garage or company, passenger safety and comfort would be my priority and I would do my utmost to ensure that it is not compromised. It would be irresponsible to behave in any other way.
Winston was joking Matt ;)
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 31, 2014, 08:36:22 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 31, 2014, 08:33:44 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 31, 2014, 08:28:48 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 31, 2014, 06:35:16 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 31, 2014, 06:26:33 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 31, 2014, 06:23:33 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 31, 2014, 06:17:10 PM
Quote from: John on January 28, 2014, 08:35:05 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 28, 2014, 08:21:26 PM
How did you find driving the E400 in service? Was it a busy trip John :)
Nice buses to drive, the Enviro400s. The favourites have to be both of the Scanias
I got on at 3.11pm, so it was starting to get busy. I had a full bus leaving town on both decks. Ended up at Pheasey 16 minutes late (combination of traffic, time to load passengers and me not been used to driving the route) but that dropped to about 8 minutes when the buddy driver took over in town
Quote from: Rob H on January 28, 2014, 08:24:39 PM
Yes I seen you then ;) Are you driving any buses tomorrow? :)
On the 94s for next two days, so will be driving some journeys All buddy drivers are different, the lady with me on the 28s let me drive all journeys yesterday, as opposed to 1 1/2 trips out of 5 33 trips today. I don't mind though as I can make sure I know the route perfectly
Managed to drive any Gemini or ALXs yet? What are they like to drive? I've always imagined the Gemini is a quality bus to drive :P
I'd love to drive a Gemini, unfortunately given Pensnett is the garage I'd probably work for, unless something radical happens I don't think I'd get to!
You're assuming Pensnett will have you.... :P
No, note the conditional tense I wrote that post in. ;)
The 'conditional tense' being that Pensnett don't want you thrashing their buses & making them scream....... :P
If I was lucky enough to drive at Pensnett, or at any other garage or company, passenger safety and comfort would be my priority and I would do my utmost to ensure that it is not compromised. It would be irresponsible to behave in any other way.
Winston was joking Matt ;)
Don't worry, I know - I just wanted to make my point clear.
Hi spec OmniLink 1847 on the 28 today
Day two I've noticed those awful mini buses on the 28 this week , Have they got a shortage or something.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 05, 2014, 08:03:16 PM
Day two I've noticed those awful mini buses on the 28 this week , Have they got a shortage or something.
There has been one on there most days for nearly the last 2 weeks. It was 319s turn yesterday. Maybe with 1840 away for refurb, plus there is now another ex-Coventry OmniLink off the road (can not remember which, it was parked in the garage with rear offside damage, 1869 is back from its rear end smash so its not that one), as well as 7026 leaving , Perry Barr may be temporally running short of OmniLinks until these 2 are back on the road
Quote from: John on February 05, 2014, 08:14:38 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 05, 2014, 08:03:16 PM
Day two I've noticed those awful mini buses on the 28 this week , Have they got a shortage or something.
There has been one on there most days for nearly the last 2 weeks. It was 319s turn yesterday. Maybe with 1840 away for refurb, plus there is now another ex-Coventry OmniLink off the road (can not remember which, it was parked in the garage with rear offside damage, 1869 is back from its rear end smash so its not that one), as well as 7026 leaving , Perry Barr may be temporally running short of OmniLinks until these 2 are back on the road
Saw 7023 heading towards PB on the A4540 today with two fitters on board.
Quote from: John on February 05, 2014, 08:14:38 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 05, 2014, 08:03:16 PM
Day two I've noticed those awful mini buses on the 28 this week , Have they got a shortage or something.
There has been one on there most days for nearly the last 2 weeks. It was 319s turn yesterday. Maybe with 1840 away for refurb, plus there is now another ex-Coventry OmniLink off the road (can not remember which, it was parked in the garage with rear offside damage, 1869 is back from its rear end smash so its not that one), as well as 7026 leaving , Perry Barr may be temporally running short of OmniLinks until these 2 are back on the road
319 (I think it was) is on the 28 again today
Couple of quick questions, as it's not an area I'm familiar with...
- What's the quickest route between the city centre and One Stop? Are any of them limited stop between the two points?
- Are there any connections for other routes at or near to either of the 654 termini?
Quote from: Matt on February 07, 2014, 04:56:03 PM
Couple of quick questions, as it's not an area I'm familiar with...
- What's the quickest route between the city centre and One Stop? Are any of them limited stop between the two points?
- Are there any connections for other routes at or near to either of the 654 termini?
At the Hamstead end of the 654, you can connect with both the 16 (PB) & the 46 (WB)
Quote from: Winston on February 07, 2014, 05:01:52 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 07, 2014, 04:56:03 PM
Couple of quick questions, as it's not an area I'm familiar with...
- What's the quickest route between the city centre and One Stop? Are any of them limited stop between the two points?
- Are there any connections for other routes at or near to either of the 654 termini?
At the Hamstead end of the 654, you can connect with both the 16 (PB) & the 46 (WB)
907 and 952 are the quickest. Mostly limited stop from City to One Stop.
As Winston said, the 16 and 46 from West Brom both go past the Hamstead termious of the 654
Quote from: John on February 07, 2014, 05:07:48 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 07, 2014, 05:01:52 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 07, 2014, 04:56:03 PM
Couple of quick questions, as it's not an area I'm familiar with...
- What's the quickest route between the city centre and One Stop? Are any of them limited stop between the two points?
- Are there any connections for other routes at or near to either of the 654 termini?
At the Hamstead end of the 654, you can connect with both the 16 (PB) & the 46 (WB)
907 and 952 are the quickest. Mostly limited stop from City to One Stop.
As Winston said, the 16 and 46 from West Brom both go past the Hamstead termious of the 654
Cheers, I know the Hamstead end, but is there nothing at the other end?
Quote from: Matt on February 07, 2014, 05:12:09 PM
Cheers, I know the Hamstead end, but is there nothing at the other end?
It terminates at Six Ways Aston, so you have the 7, 51, 33, and the Diamond 56.
Quote from: John on February 07, 2014, 05:16:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 07, 2014, 05:12:09 PM
Cheers, I know the Hamstead end, but is there nothing at the other end?
It terminates at Six Ways Aston, so you have the 7, 51, 33, and the Diamond 56.
Ah that's great, cheers John. I've never rode a Travel Solo so am planning to do so tomorrow before they go.
Out of interest, are you driving in service tomorrow John?
Quote from: Matt on February 07, 2014, 05:38:24 PM
Quote from: John on February 07, 2014, 05:16:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 07, 2014, 05:12:09 PM
Cheers, I know the Hamstead end, but is there nothing at the other end?
It terminates at Six Ways Aston, so you have the 7, 51, 33, and the Diamond 56.
Ah that's great, cheers John. I've never rode a Travel Solo so am planning to do so tomorrow before they go.
Out of interest, are you driving in service tomorrow John?
No problem Matt ;D
No, I'm off till Monday now, on the 33s next week, with a day on the 28
Quote from: Matt on February 07, 2014, 05:38:24 PM
Quote from: John on February 07, 2014, 05:16:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 07, 2014, 05:12:09 PM
Cheers, I know the Hamstead end, but is there nothing at the other end?
It terminates at Six Ways Aston, so you have the 7, 51, 33, and the Diamond 56.
Ah that's great, cheers John. I've never rode a Travel Solo so am planning to do so tomorrow before they go.
Out of interest, are you driving in service tomorrow John?
And the world famous 40X (although not to sure if that runs on a Saturday), the 46 PB is also a 1 miniute walk away from the Six Ways terminus on the 654
Quote from: Lukeee on February 07, 2014, 09:59:56 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 07, 2014, 05:38:24 PM
Quote from: John on February 07, 2014, 05:16:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 07, 2014, 05:12:09 PM
Cheers, I know the Hamstead end, but is there nothing at the other end?
It terminates at Six Ways Aston, so you have the 7, 51, 33, and the Diamond 56.
Ah that's great, cheers John. I've never rode a Travel Solo so am planning to do so tomorrow before they go.
Out of interest, are you driving in service tomorrow John?
And the world famous 40X (although not to sure if that runs on a Saturday), the 46 PB is also a 1 miniute walk away from the Six Ways terminus on the 654
Just Monday-Friday, do people use that route? ;D
Quote from: Lukeee on February 07, 2014, 09:59:56 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 07, 2014, 05:38:24 PM
Quote from: John on February 07, 2014, 05:16:23 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 07, 2014, 05:12:09 PM
Cheers, I know the Hamstead end, but is there nothing at the other end?
It terminates at Six Ways Aston, so you have the 7, 51, 33, and the Diamond 56.
Ah that's great, cheers John. I've never rode a Travel Solo so am planning to do so tomorrow before they go.
Out of interest, are you driving in service tomorrow John?
And the world famous 40X (although not to sure if that runs on a Saturday), the 46 PB is also a 1 miniute walk away from the Six Ways terminus on the 654
40x runs only 5 times a day mon - Fri
Often late (as driver nice guy takes his time)
There are 3/4 passengers generally usually used between on and handsworth
Someone at one stop asked me where to catch service 123 lol
noticed 4259 is still in the Nexus advert, would this be the only Bus left with this Advert?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on February 08, 2014, 10:17:33 PM
noticed 4259 is still in the Nexus advert, would this be the only Bus left with this Advert?
I think 4259 was the only one at Perry Barr to carry that ad. Does 4432 still carry it at Central?
Quote from: John on February 09, 2014, 08:32:55 AM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on February 08, 2014, 10:17:33 PM
noticed 4259 is still in the Nexus advert, would this be the only Bus left with this Advert?
I think 4259 was the only one at Perry Barr to carry that ad. Does 4432 still carry it at Central?
4432 now has the same Morrisons advert as 4177 :)
Quote from: Rob H on February 09, 2014, 10:22:53 AM
Quote from: John on February 09, 2014, 08:32:55 AM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on February 08, 2014, 10:17:33 PM
noticed 4259 is still in the Nexus advert, would this be the only Bus left with this Advert?
I think 4259 was the only one at Perry Barr to carry that ad. Does 4432 still carry it at Central?
4432 now has the same Morrisons advert as 4177 :)
Ah right, Cheers Rob
Quote from: John on February 09, 2014, 10:27:03 AM
Quote from: Rob H on February 09, 2014, 10:22:53 AM
Quote from: John on February 09, 2014, 08:32:55 AM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on February 08, 2014, 10:17:33 PM
noticed 4259 is still in the Nexus advert, would this be the only Bus left with this Advert?
I think 4259 was the only one at Perry Barr to carry that ad. Does 4432 still carry it at Central?
4432 now has the same Morrisons advert as 4177 :)
Ah right, Cheers Rob
No Worries ;) Just to add wasn't long after 4177 received it :)
How long do all over adverts usually last on a bus ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on February 09, 2014, 12:23:30 PM
How long do all over adverts usually last on a bus ?
Can be weeks, months or even years in a few cases. 4328 had one for "talk to the tipton". That stayed on from at least 2006 to mid 2011
Quote from: Ashley on February 09, 2014, 01:44:20 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on February 09, 2014, 12:23:30 PM
How long do all over adverts usually last on a bus ?
Can be weeks, months or even years in a few cases. 4328 had one for "talk to the tipton". That stayed on from at least 2006 to mid 2011
Thanks Ash :)
4698 was out on PM 952 peak journeys this afternoon in its new livery
4936 has appeared on the 33 this afternoon (must be a change bus, as it was not on there this morning)
Anyone seen 1906/1907 ? Not seen them on the 66/28 ?
Quote from: John on February 15, 2014, 01:56:37 PM
4936 has appeared on the 33 this afternoon (must be a change bus, as it was not on there this morning)
Thanks John, managed to get a picture when it came to the Pheasey :)
Quote from: Nathan4775 on February 15, 2014, 06:18:03 PM
Quote from: John on February 15, 2014, 01:56:37 PM
4936 has appeared on the 33 this afternoon (must be a change bus, as it was not on there this morning)
Thanks John, managed to get a picture when it came to the Pheasey :)
No problem Nathan ;D
Quote from: Nathan4775 on February 15, 2014, 02:15:09 PM
Anyone seen 1906/1907 ? Not seen them on the 66/28 ?
1906 was on the 46; 1907 I saw in Erdington cannot remember which route
Quote from: Nathan on February 16, 2014, 05:50:15 PM
4698 is on PB16 today. Will link the photo when i upload it to flickr
Here it is:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/trident_4609/12571085144/
Quote from: Nathan on February 16, 2014, 07:44:43 PM
Quote from: Nathan on February 16, 2014, 05:50:15 PM
4698 is on PB16 today. Will link the photo when i upload it to flickr
Here it is:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/trident_4609/12571085144/
Looks good but I wonder why the fleet names on the side are so low down.
4698 on 907
Doesn't look like a demonstrator anymore, 4698
4932 is out on 33 today just left the circle about 2 min ago
Quote from: Nathan4775 on February 20, 2014, 03:37:50 PM
4932 is out on 33 today just left the circle about 2 min ago
You beat me to it Nathan! Hopefully I can get a '63' plate on the 33 next week
Quote from: John on February 20, 2014, 04:07:40 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on February 20, 2014, 03:37:50 PM
4932 is out on 33 today just left the circle about 2 min ago
You beat me to it Nathan! Hopefully I can get a '63' plate on the 33 next week
What have you driven so far, John?
Quote from: Matt on February 20, 2014, 04:21:27 PM
Quote from: John on February 20, 2014, 04:07:40 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on February 20, 2014, 03:37:50 PM
4932 is out on 33 today just left the circle about 2 min ago
You beat me to it Nathan! Hopefully I can get a '63' plate on the 33 next week
What have you driven so far, John?
I done 33s last week, on the 28s this week, and back on the 33s next week as well
(So various Enviro400s '61' plates, and a range of OmniLinks, '57' platers, Ex-Coventry's, 1907 today, and a few ex-Dundee's)
Thankfully I have not had a Solo on the 28 yet.
Quote from: John on February 20, 2014, 04:25:34 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 20, 2014, 04:21:27 PM
Quote from: John on February 20, 2014, 04:07:40 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on February 20, 2014, 03:37:50 PM
4932 is out on 33 today just left the circle about 2 min ago
You beat me to it Nathan! Hopefully I can get a '63' plate on the 33 next week
What have you driven so far, John?
I done 33s last week, on the 28s this week, and back on the 33s next week as well
(So various Enviro400s '61' plates, and a range of OmniLinks, '57' platers, Ex-Coventry's, 1907 today, and a few ex-Dundee's)
Thankfully I have not had a Solo on the 28 yet.
4698 is on the 33 today as well
Quote from: John on February 22, 2014, 03:38:25 PM
4698 is on the 33 today as well
And was out all night as well. Just passed it on a 33E back to garage on the way home
Quote from: John on February 23, 2014, 12:35:22 AM
Quote from: John on February 22, 2014, 03:38:25 PM
4698 is on the 33 today as well
And was out all night as well. Just passed it on a 33E back to garage on the way home
It looks like 4698 is todays 952 if of interest to anyone
Quote from: John on February 23, 2014, 04:10:31 PM
Quote from: John on February 23, 2014, 12:35:22 AM
Quote from: John on February 22, 2014, 03:38:25 PM
4698 is on the 33 today as well
And was out all night as well. Just passed it on a 33E back to garage on the way home
It looks like 4698 is todays 952 if of interest to anyone
LOL I seen it on the 7 around 2pm :D
4698 is on the 46 today if anyone wants to find it
I saw 4253 go past me in Birmingham earlier... tatty as hell. Every upstairs window had massive etching on it, the sides had been scraped and loads of the paint took off. Definitely needs a refurb soon.
Quote from: JB93 on February 25, 2014, 01:43:42 AM
I saw 4253 go past me in Birmingham earlier... tatty as hell. Every upstairs window had massive etching on it, the sides had been scraped and loads of the paint took off. Definitely needs a refurb soon.
Tbh i have seen some very badly etched windows especially on PE's 4198/9! Even the WN hybrids are showing little bits of etching upstairs
Quote from: JB93 on February 25, 2014, 01:43:42 AM
I saw 4253 go past me in Birmingham earlier... tatty as hell. Every upstairs window had massive etching on it, the sides had been scraped and loads of the paint took off. Definitely needs a refurb soon.
4272 is a similar example, I haven't seen it for a while, so hopefully it's getting the repaint it so desperately needs :)
There are 2 Solos on the 28 today, along with 2 Hi-Spec OmniLinks (1846 and 1847)
Quote from: John on March 01, 2014, 01:48:42 PM
There are 2 Solos on the 28 today, along with 2 Hi-Spec OmniLinks (1846 and 1847)
I guess you've been on the 28, John?
Quote from: Matt on March 01, 2014, 01:51:38 PM
Quote from: John on March 01, 2014, 01:48:42 PM
There are 2 Solos on the 28 today, along with 2 Hi-Spec OmniLinks (1846 and 1847)
I guess you've been on the 28, John?
Yes I am today ;). I'm just hoping I'm not lumbered with one of the Solos when I get back on there this afternoon
Quote from: John on March 01, 2014, 01:52:36 PM
Quote from: Matt on March 01, 2014, 01:51:38 PM
Quote from: John on March 01, 2014, 01:48:42 PM
There are 2 Solos on the 28 today, along with 2 Hi-Spec OmniLinks (1846 and 1847)
I guess you've been on the 28, John?
Yes I am today ;). I'm just hoping I'm not lumbered with one of the Solos when I get back on there this afternoon
Did you not like them in type training?
Quote from: John on March 01, 2014, 01:48:42 PM
There are 2 Solos on the 28 today, along with 2 Hi-Spec OmniLinks (1846 and 1847)
Another Hi-Spec OmniLink was on the 66 today as well.
Quote from: John on March 01, 2014, 01:48:42 PM
There are 2 Solos on the 28 today, along with 2 Hi-Spec OmniLinks (1846 and 1847)
Sorry if this question is a bit naive but were/are the Hi-Spec Omnilinks meant to be allocated to a certain route at PB? I'm not too familiar with the PB routes but through a flickr search most of the pictures seem to show them on the 952. Would be grateful if someone could clarify, thanks! BTW John hope the driving is going well.
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 02, 2014, 08:27:13 PM
Quote from: John on March 01, 2014, 01:48:42 PM
There are 2 Solos on the 28 today, along with 2 Hi-Spec OmniLinks (1846 and 1847)
Sorry if this question is a bit naive but were/are the Hi-Spec Omnilinks meant to be allocated to a certain route at PB? I'm not too familiar with the PB routes but through a flickr search most of the pictures seem to show them on the 952. Would be grateful if someone could clarify, thanks! BTW John hope the driving is going well.
I suppose its not that they can't be used on other PB routes its just they are just regually allocated to the 952 so you do sometimes get them on other PB routes.
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 02, 2014, 08:27:13 PM
Quote from: John on March 01, 2014, 01:48:42 PM
There are 2 Solos on the 28 today, along with 2 Hi-Spec OmniLinks (1846 and 1847)
Sorry if this question is a bit naive but were/are the Hi-Spec Omnilinks meant to be allocated to a certain route at PB? I'm not too familiar with the PB routes but through a flickr search most of the pictures seem to show them on the 952. Would be grateful if someone could clarify, thanks! BTW John hope the driving is going well.
Driving is going very well thanks :D
As you have seen, the Hi-Spec OmniLinks are meant for the 952.
I think they sneak onto other routes on Saturdays because of the way they are parked in the garage at end of service on Friday (and less OmniLinks are needed on Saturdays as opposed to a weekday). I am finding it hard to explain right, (here goes) -
Say there are 2 normal seated OmniLinks and then a Hi-Spec one parked up and the 952 is the first service to leave garage of the morning, then they will allocate the first one in the line to the 952 (which is a normal seated one), and the 66 and 28 afterwards, then the 28 will be allocated the Hi-Spec one just due to where it was parked the night before. (Hope you can understand this ok ;) ) It may not be correct, but it seems the most logical answer to me
Thanks for clarifying; very clear answer! :) Glad to hear it's going well; do you have a preferred route yet? I think a similar situation happens at YW; the 76E can sometimes randomly get Enviro 400s or Presidents turn up, probably because of the same reason as this; the fact it's first come first served.
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 02, 2014, 09:00:28 PM
Thanks for clarifying; very clear answer! :) Glad to hear it's going well; do you have a preferred route yet? I think a similar situation happens at YW; the 76E can sometimes randomly get Enviro 400s or Presidents turn up, probably because of the same reason as this; the fact it's first come first served.
I'm glad you can understand my ramblings ;D I can't most of the time!!
Out of the 28 and the 33 that I have been driving recently, I do prefer the 33 over the 28, but I do like both of the routes (apart from the 28 past Fox & Goose, the roads are awful). I have also been route learning on the 94, but have not done that route since driving on my own. I should start on some new routes hopefully next month
I saw a 101 going round Paradise Circus this evening (4239). Any ideas?
Scania Omnicity Arctic Bendi-Bus 6031 was parked up in WN garage yard this afternoon. Looking at the bulliten yesterday in the engineering area its in for servicing/Vehicle Inspection/MOT today
4927 on the 33 today if it is of interest to anyone
4516s front end repairs now complete, just needs repainting
Quote from: John on March 10, 2014, 01:33:50 PM
4927 on the 33 today if it is of interest to anyone
I see pb are doing the same as cv are with the newer unbranded e400s being allocated to the 21 sometimes!
Quote from: lauren1993 on March 15, 2014, 11:02:33 PM
Quote from: John on March 10, 2014, 01:33:50 PM
4927 on the 33 today if it is of interest to anyone
I see pb are doing the same as cv are with the newer unbranded e400s being allocated to the 21 sometimes!
4932 I think it was, appeared on the 33 yesterday afternoon. It must have been a change bus
Noticed 4697 and 4778 on 16 :-)
4781 is on the 94 today, and 1843 on the 952 if people are looking for them
Quote from: John on March 22, 2014, 05:19:31 PM
4781 is on the 94 today, and 1843 on the 952 if people are looking for them
I saw 1843 on 952 around 0930 but not 4781
Quote from: John on March 22, 2014, 05:19:31 PM
4781 is on the 94 today, and 1843 on the 952 if people are looking for them
managed to get a picture of 4781 at about 19:30, havent seen it since it came back from refurb
The TWM livered OmniCitys have gained fleetnumbers on the front. One has it on the grille panel, and another has it on the nearside panel (like refurbished OmniLinks)
4781 is on 65 & 67 just saw it cant recall which as i was in a rush just recall it had a 6
1837 is on the 28 today. TWM livery OmniLinks are not dead yet at Perry Barr! Not sure if it is on loan or a transfer
Quote from: John on March 26, 2014, 02:45:14 PM
1837 is on the 28 today. TWM livery OmniLinks are not dead yet at Perry Barr! Not sure if it is on loan or a transfer
Still with us today, on 28s again
Any reason why a 33 E400 has 51 on the dispaly, but for the people that probally won't belive me ill post the picture up tomorrow as I'm using my brothers phone.
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 27, 2014, 08:50:23 PM
Any reason why a 33 E400 has 51 on the dispaly, but for the people that probally won't belive me ill post the picture up tomorrow as I'm using my brothers phone.
I bet that looked strange Nath ;)
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 27, 2014, 08:50:23 PM
Any reason why a 33 E400 has 51 on the dispaly, but for the people that probally won't belive me ill post the picture up tomorrow as I'm using my brothers phone.
Don't worry I believe you :) ;). Did it actually go on to work a 51 or was it just parked up (BTW where was it parked up?) ? A very strange sight I bet? :)
Quote from: Rob H on March 27, 2014, 08:54:08 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 27, 2014, 08:50:23 PM
Any reason why a 33 E400 has 51 on the dispaly, but for the people that probally won't belive me ill post the picture up tomorrow as I'm using my brothers phone.
I bet that looked strange Nath ;)
Iit did, :P but I'd been on my training course all day so thought I was imagining it =D
Quote from: Nathan on March 27, 2014, 08:55:04 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 27, 2014, 08:50:23 PM
Any reason why a 33 E400 has 51 on the dispaly, but for the people that probally won't belive me ill post the picture up tomorrow as I'm using my brothers phone.
Don't worry I believe you :) ;). Did it actually go on to work a 51 or was it just parked up (BTW where was it parked up?) ? A very strange sight I bet? :)
It was parked up at the Pheasey, still had '51 Birmingham' on the display when I left (:
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 27, 2014, 10:06:54 PM
Quote from: Rob H on March 27, 2014, 08:54:08 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 27, 2014, 08:50:23 PM
Any reason why a 33 E400 has 51 on the dispaly, but for the people that probally won't belive me ill post the picture up tomorrow as I'm using my brothers phone.
I bet that looked strange Nath ;)
Iit did, :P but I'd been on my training course all day so thought I was imagining it =D Quote from: Nathan on March 27, 2014, 08:55:04 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 27, 2014, 08:50:23 PM
Any reason why a 33 E400 has 51 on the dispaly, but for the people that probally won't belive me ill post the picture up tomorrow as I'm using my brothers phone.
Don't worry I believe you :) ;). Did it actually go on to work a 51 or was it just parked up (BTW where was it parked up?) ? A very strange sight I bet? :)
It was parked up at the Pheasey, still had '51 Birmingham' on the display when I left (:
Probably displayed it by accident but then again not sure why the 51 would be programmed into a PB Enviro looking forward to seeing the pic of it though :)
Quote from: Rob H on March 27, 2014, 10:11:23 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 27, 2014, 10:06:54 PM
Quote from: Rob H on March 27, 2014, 08:54:08 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 27, 2014, 08:50:23 PM
Any reason why a 33 E400 has 51 on the dispaly, but for the people that probally won't belive me ill post the picture up tomorrow as I'm using my brothers phone.
I bet that looked strange Nath ;)
Iit did, :P but I'd been on my training course all day so thought I was imagining it =D Quote from: Nathan on March 27, 2014, 08:55:04 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 27, 2014, 08:50:23 PM
Any reason why a 33 E400 has 51 on the dispaly, but for the people that probally won't belive me ill post the picture up tomorrow as I'm using my brothers phone.
Don't worry I believe you :) ;). Did it actually go on to work a 51 or was it just parked up (BTW where was it parked up?) ? A very strange sight I bet? :)
It was parked up at the Pheasey, still had '51 Birmingham' on the display when I left (:
Probably displayed it by accident but then again not sure why the 51 would be programmed into a PB Enviro looking forward to seeing the pic of it though :)
Nope nor me ?, wonder if any more WA routes are programmed in ?but not too sure why they would be ??
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 27, 2014, 10:06:54 PM
Quote from: Rob H on March 27, 2014, 08:54:08 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 27, 2014, 08:50:23 PM
Any reason why a 33 E400 has 51 on the dispaly, but for the people that probally won't belive me ill post the picture up tomorrow as I'm using my brothers phone.
I bet that looked strange Nath ;)
Iit did, :P but I'd been on my training course all day so thought I was imagining it =D Quote from: Nathan on March 27, 2014, 08:55:04 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 27, 2014, 08:50:23 PM
Any reason why a 33 E400 has 51 on the dispaly, but for the people that probally won't belive me ill post the picture up tomorrow as I'm using my brothers phone.
Don't worry I believe you :) ;). Did it actually go on to work a 51 or was it just parked up (BTW where was it parked up?) ? A very strange sight I bet? :)
It was parked up at the Pheasey, still had '51 Birmingham' on the display when I left (:
I am more than certain there are not any Perry Barr 51 journeys, but I'll look through the hannover today to see if it's on others.
As I said I would,
the pictures were taken on my phone hence the poor-ish quality;
4850 (1)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/13465762394/
Close-up of the display;
https://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/13465762084/in/photostream/
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 28, 2014, 12:26:39 PM
As I said I would,
the pictures were taken on my phone hence the poor-ish quality;
4850 (1)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/13465762394/
Close-up of the display;
https://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/13465762084/in/photostream/
Having a play with the hannover waiting in the queue for the pumps. 51, X51, 997 and the old 934 are on there (on 7030 anyway)
4932 is out on the 33 for anyone it may concern (:
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 29, 2014, 04:49:31 PM
4932 is out on the 33 for anyone it may concern (:
Has it been out all day Nathan do you know?
Quote from: John on March 29, 2014, 04:50:35 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 29, 2014, 04:49:31 PM
4932 is out on the 33 for anyone it may concern (:
Has it been out all day Nathan do you know?
Not to sure sorry? It was parked at the Pheasey at around 16:45
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 29, 2014, 04:56:43 PM
Quote from: John on March 29, 2014, 04:50:35 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 29, 2014, 04:49:31 PM
4932 is out on the 33 for anyone it may concern (:
Has it been out all day Nathan do you know?
Not to sure sorry? It was parked at the Pheasey at around 16:45
Thanks Nathan ;) I have not seen a '63' Enviro on the 33 for a while
Quote from: John on March 29, 2014, 05:08:30 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 29, 2014, 04:56:43 PM
Quote from: John on March 29, 2014, 04:50:35 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 29, 2014, 04:49:31 PM
4932 is out on the 33 for anyone it may concern (:
Has it been out all day Nathan do you know?
Not to sure sorry? It was parked at the Pheasey at around 16:45
Thanks Nathan ;) I have not seen a '63' Enviro on the 33 for a while
Passed carrs lane 5 minutes ago
Quote from: John on March 28, 2014, 08:44:45 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 28, 2014, 12:26:39 PM
As I said I would,
the pictures were taken on my phone hence the poor-ish quality;
4850 (1)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/13465762394/
Close-up of the display;
https://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/13465762084/in/photostream/
Having a play with the hannover waiting in the queue for the pumps. 51, X51, 997 and the old 934 are on there (on 7030 anyway)
Understand the rest being on there, as they were PB routes in the past, but X51 has always been Walsall hasn't it?
(If it ever moves to PB, presumbly you can kiss goodbye to the Cannock journeys for dead mileage reasons at least!)
Quote from: Westy on March 29, 2014, 10:35:17 PM
Quote from: John on March 28, 2014, 08:44:45 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 28, 2014, 12:26:39 PM
As I said I would,
the pictures were taken on my phone hence the poor-ish quality;
4850 (1)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/13465762394/
Close-up of the display;
https://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/13465762084/in/photostream/
Having a play with the hannover waiting in the queue for the pumps. 51, X51, 997 and the old 934 are on there (on 7030 anyway)
Understand the rest being on there, as they were PB routes in the past, but X51 has always been Walsall hasn't it?
(If it ever moves to PB, presumbly you can kiss goodbye to the Cannock journeys for dead mileage reasons at least!)
The 51/X51 were originally put on so if a Walsall bus broke down PB could supply a replacement
Quote from: Tony on March 30, 2014, 09:23:43 AM
Quote from: Westy on March 29, 2014, 10:35:17 PM
Quote from: John on March 28, 2014, 08:44:45 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 28, 2014, 12:26:39 PM
As I said I would,
the pictures were taken on my phone hence the poor-ish quality;
4850 (1)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/13465762394/
Close-up of the display;
https://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/13465762084/in/photostream/
Having a play with the hannover waiting in the queue for the pumps. 51, X51, 997 and the old 934 are on there (on 7030 anyway)
Understand the rest being on there, as they were PB routes in the past, but X51 has always been Walsall hasn't it?
(If it ever moves to PB, presumbly you can kiss goodbye to the Cannock journeys for dead mileage reasons at least!)
The 51/X51 were originally put on so if a Walsall bus broke down PB could supply a replacement
Ok.
Is there a few examples of those around the system, eg 529 is still on Walsall displays, the 4 is on West Bromwich displays?
Quote from: Tony on March 30, 2014, 09:23:43 AM
Quote from: Westy on March 29, 2014, 10:35:17 PM
Quote from: John on March 28, 2014, 08:44:45 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 28, 2014, 12:26:39 PM
As I said I would,
the pictures were taken on my phone hence the poor-ish quality;
4850 (1)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/13465762394/
Close-up of the display;
https://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/13465762084/in/photostream/
Having a play with the hannover waiting in the queue for the pumps. 51, X51, 997 and the old 934 are on there (on 7030 anyway)
Understand the rest being on there, as they were PB routes in the past, but X51 has always been Walsall hasn't it?
(If it ever moves to PB, presumbly you can kiss goodbye to the Cannock journeys for dead mileage reasons at least!)
The 51/X51 were originally put on so if a Walsall bus broke down PB could supply a replacement
Out of interest, is anyone aware of a situation where a PB vehicle has been placed on the 51/X51 in such circumstances (or any example except Coventry buses appearing on the 900?)
Quote from: notepanel on March 30, 2014, 07:54:52 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 30, 2014, 09:23:43 AM
Quote from: Westy on March 29, 2014, 10:35:17 PM
Quote from: John on March 28, 2014, 08:44:45 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 28, 2014, 12:26:39 PM
As I said I would,
the pictures were taken on my phone hence the poor-ish quality;
4850 (1)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/13465762394/
Close-up of the display;
https://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/13465762084/in/photostream/
Having a play with the hannover waiting in the queue for the pumps. 51, X51, 997 and the old 934 are on there (on 7030 anyway)
Understand the rest being on there, as they were PB routes in the past, but X51 has always been Walsall hasn't it?
(If it ever moves to PB, presumbly you can kiss goodbye to the Cannock journeys for dead mileage reasons at least!)
The 51/X51 were originally put on so if a Walsall bus broke down PB could supply a replacement
Out of interest, is anyone aware of a situation where a PB vehicle has been placed on the 51/X51 in such circumstances (or any example except Coventry buses appearing on the 900?)
It has definately happened in the days of the Metrobus, don't know of one recently
Appreciate this is not about Perry Barr
Saw 21 branded Enviro in Coventry running empty to pick up service the other day showing 900 Birmingham on destination so it still on there.
Quote from: John on March 26, 2014, 02:45:14 PM
1837 is on the 28 today. TWM livery OmniLinks are not dead yet at Perry Barr! Not sure if it is on loan or a transfer
Its a transfer John :)
Quote from: Nathan on April 01, 2014, 09:01:19 PM
Quote from: John on March 26, 2014, 02:45:14 PM
1837 is on the 28 today. TWM livery OmniLinks are not dead yet at Perry Barr! Not sure if it is on loan or a transfer
Its a transfer John :)
Cheers Nathan. I thought it was, as its been around all week
Noticed this morning that one of the 33 branded Enviro400s now has a green stripe between the red and white, like the Sutton branded buses. Am on the 33 today, so will find out which it is and if any more have had this done
Quote from: John on April 07, 2014, 10:05:40 AM
Noticed this morning that one of the 33 branded Enviro400s now has a green stripe between the red and white, like the Sutton branded buses. Am on the 33 today, so will find out which it is and if any more have had this done
4848 & 1 other
Quote from: Solo1 on April 07, 2014, 05:39:25 PM
Quote from: John on April 07, 2014, 10:05:40 AM
Noticed this morning that one of the 33 branded Enviro400s now has a green stripe between the red and white, like the Sutton branded buses. Am on the 33 today, so will find out which it is and if any more have had this done
4848 & 1 other
4847, 4848 and 4849 are done like that and out on route today. 4843 also done, but in garage all day
Here is 4847
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/13699479173/
I wonder if the 51 branding will be given these additions as well
It appears two E400's (sutton lines) have lost the ^every7minutes^ on the upper window
Saw a scania decker on the 16 this morning at snow hill from city can't remember the time
Quote from: karl724223 on April 12, 2014, 09:09:38 PM
Saw a scania decker on the 16 this morning at snow hill from city can't remember the time
4780
Quote from: Nathan4775 on April 11, 2014, 06:08:12 PM
It appears two E400's (sutton lines) have lost the ^every7minutes^ on the upper window
4917 is the recent one
Quote from: Nathan on April 12, 2014, 09:14:08 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on April 12, 2014, 09:09:38 PM
Saw a scania decker on the 16 this morning at snow hill from city can't remember the time
4780
nice paint job
Quote from: vinh1000 on April 13, 2014, 10:55:26 AM
4930 on 33
4934 also on the 33. Maybe more of the 33 branded buses are being given the added branding today
Quote from: John on April 13, 2014, 02:45:58 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on April 13, 2014, 10:55:26 AM
4930 on 33
4934 also on the 33. Maybe more of the 33 branded buses are being given the added branding today
A few more now have the added branding. Plus they now are named. (All named buses also have the added branding as well). The only name I missed was 4843.
4844 - Kadi
4847 - Gina Ann
4850 - Lisa
4851 - Nicole
4852 - Lucy Rae
Please note some may not be accurate
The rest are still to gain the added branding and names , apart from 4843
EDIT -
4843 - Amelia Rose
4855 - Gabriella
4856 - Kayleigh - http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4856.html
Quote from: John on April 14, 2014, 12:39:43 PM
Quote from: John on April 13, 2014, 02:45:58 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on April 13, 2014, 10:55:26 AM
4930 on 33
4934 also on the 33. Maybe more of the 33 branded buses are being given the added branding today
A few more now have the added branding. Plus they now are named. (All named buses also have the added branding as well). The only name I missed was 4843.
4844 - Kadi
4847 - Gina Ann
4850 - Lisa
4851 - Nicole
4852 - Lucy Rae
Please note some may not be accurate
The rest are still to gain the added branding and names , apart from 4843
EDIT -
4843 - Amelia Rose
4855 - Gabriella
4856 - Kayleigh - http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4856.html
wonder if Walsall will name their 61plate E400's.?
4848 - Hannah
Quote from: John on April 14, 2014, 12:39:43 PM
Quote from: John on April 13, 2014, 02:45:58 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on April 13, 2014, 10:55:26 AM
4930 on 33
4934 also on the 33. Maybe more of the 33 branded buses are being given the added branding today
A few more now have the added branding. Plus they now are named. (All named buses also have the added branding as well). The only name I missed was 4843.
4844 - Kadi
4847 - Gina Ann
4850 - Lisa
4851 - Nicole
4852 - Lucy Rae
Please note some may not be accurate
The rest are still to gain the added branding and names , apart from 4843
EDIT -
4843 - Amelia Rose
4855 - Gabriella
4856 - Kayleigh - http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4856.html
So thats 2 E400s which are named Gabriella (4855 & BC 4896)
Quote from: Rob H on April 15, 2014, 07:47:57 PM
Quote from: John on April 14, 2014, 12:39:43 PM
Quote from: John on April 13, 2014, 02:45:58 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on April 13, 2014, 10:55:26 AM
4930 on 33
4934 also on the 33. Maybe more of the 33 branded buses are being given the added branding today
A few more now have the added branding. Plus they now are named. (All named buses also have the added branding as well). The only name I missed was 4843.
4844 - Kadi
4847 - Gina Ann
4850 - Lisa
4851 - Nicole
4852 - Lucy Rae
Please note some may not be accurate
The rest are still to gain the added branding and names , apart from 4843
EDIT -
4843 - Amelia Rose
4855 - Gabriella
4856 - Kayleigh - http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4856.html
So thats 2 E400s which are named Gabriella (4855 & BC 4896)
Lol, if they keep that up, they'll run out of names quicker than the frequency of the 11C! :P (That joke was a joke within itself... :D)
Quote from: Rob H on April 15, 2014, 07:47:57 PM
So thats 2 E400s which are named Gabriella (4855 & BC 4896)
It would seem so, but I was going by memory and scribblings with those names, so please don't take them for definite
I have a feeling Coventry are going to name theirs now! Just hope they use the right names! that's now two e400's with the name Nicole!! (4887 in Coventry as well!)
Quote from: lauren1993 on April 16, 2014, 12:31:09 AM
I have a feeling Coventry are going to name theirs now! Just hope they use the right names! that's now two e400's with the name Nicole!! (4887 in Coventry as well!)
Didn't think Coventry's Enviro 400's had names applied?
Quote from: Nathan on April 16, 2014, 09:23:13 AM
Quote from: lauren1993 on April 16, 2014, 12:31:09 AM
I have a feeling Coventry are going to name theirs now! Just hope they use the right names! that's now two e400's with the name Nicole!! (4887 in Coventry as well!)
Didn't think Coventry's Enviro 400's had names applied?
I name 4885-4894. I just hope they use the right names at the depot!
And what are the 'right' names exactly lauren? Does it matter if a bus is named 'Nicole'? I'm sure the names are named after employee's daughters/granddaughters? No other bus is named Nicole so i can't see the problem?
2 more names
4845 - Simran
4853 - Ramesah
Quote from: John on April 22, 2014, 02:18:37 PM
2 more names
4845 - Simran
4853 - Ramesah
Was about to mention 4845 just which was in front of my 51 into City this morning
Quote from: Nathan on April 22, 2014, 03:58:07 PM
Quote from: John on April 22, 2014, 02:18:37 PM
2 more names
4845 - Simran
4853 - Ramesah
Was about to mention 4845 just which was in front of my 51 into City this morning
4846 also has a name but couldn't read it from a distance
Am also pretty sure that 4855 is Alisha (Can not remember how it was spelt), not Gabriellia as I previously mentioned (it is on the 907 today)
I will have a better look tomorrow and try to confirm the names
4843 - Amelia Rose
4844 - Kadi
4845 - Simran
4846 -
4847 - Gina Ann
4848 - Hannah
4849 -
4850 - Lisa
4851 - Nicole
4852 - Lucy Rae
4853 - Ramesah
4854 - Louise
4855 -
4856 - Kayleigh
Quote from: John on April 23, 2014, 02:40:18 PM
Am also pretty sure that 4855 is Alisha (Can not remember how it was spelt), not Gabriellia as I previously mentioned (it is on the 907 today)
I will have a better look tomorrow and try to confirm the names
4843 - Amelia Rose
4844 - Kadi
4845 - Simran
4846 -
4847 - Gina Ann
4848 - Hannah
4849 -
4850 - Lisa
4851 - Nicole
4852 - Lucy Rae
4853 - Ramesah
4854 - Louise
4855 -
4856 - Kayleigh
4849 is Ella May
Isn't there already a Kayleigh in the fleet? Or did I imagine that?
Final list
4844 - Kadi
4845 - Simran
4846 - Tori Leigh
4847 - Gina Ann
4848 - Hannah
4849 - Ella May
4850 - Lisa
4851 - Nicole
4852 - Lucy Rae
4853 - Ramesah
4854 - Louise
4855 - Alishea
4856 - Kayleigh
4482 - 33 this afternoon peaks
Quote from: Nathan4775 on April 25, 2014, 07:21:31 PM
4482 - 33 this afternoon peaks
If it is on the peak board, it should be on till around 8pm (leaves garage around 3pm)
4850 has gained a rear advert for £12 weekly bus passes the same as on some of the 49** Enviro400s
4493 has a front LED display
EDIT - Pic here https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/14078641961/
Managed to find one of the 94/33 interworkings. Running board 94/01, finishes on the 94 in city around 6pm, then does the 6.15pm 33E to Perry Barr from city
Quote from: John on April 28, 2014, 09:37:26 PM
4850 has gained a rear advert for £12 weekly bus passes the same as on some of the 49** Enviro400s
4851 was also having this applied yesterday
Quote from: John on May 05, 2014, 07:48:40 PM
Quote from: John on April 28, 2014, 09:37:26 PM
4850 has gained a rear advert for £12 weekly bus passes the same as on some of the 49** Enviro400s
4851 was also having this applied yesterday
Forgot which one it was now but one has gained the 'Term Plus Advert' out on the 33 this morning
Quote from: Nathan4775 on May 06, 2014, 10:13:09 AM
Quote from: John on May 05, 2014, 07:48:40 PM
Quote from: John on April 28, 2014, 09:37:26 PM
4850 has gained a rear advert for £12 weekly bus passes the same as on some of the 49** Enviro400s
4851 was also having this applied yesterday
Forgot which one it was now but one has gained the 'Term Plus Advert' out on the 33 this morning
If that is the pink advert, that is 4851, which I had this morning
Quote from: John on May 06, 2014, 02:54:24 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on May 06, 2014, 10:13:09 AM
Quote from: John on May 05, 2014, 07:48:40 PM
Quote from: John on April 28, 2014, 09:37:26 PM
4850 has gained a rear advert for £12 weekly bus passes the same as on some of the 49** Enviro400s
4851 was also having this applied yesterday
Forgot which one it was now but one has gained the 'Term Plus Advert' out on the 33 this morning
If that is the pink advert, that is 4851, which I had this morning
4852 also has a rear advert. It is for the Term Plus (Shirt and Tie on rear)
If anyone wants to know, the afternoon 33 journey that is normally operated by a B7TL starts from Pheasey around 13.40
Running board 67/12 I think it was. Does a complete trip on the 33. When it gets to Pheasey, it then goes to Great Barr School to do the extra 28E to Short Heath, then it must go into City to do 67 journeys
4920 has just come into Erdington, towards City, displaying 904E Chester Road The Yenton, with passengers still on board. Either a wrong destination or the driver has carried on beyond The aye ton in service.
4485 - on 33 left pheasey at 16:07
Quote from: Nathan4775 on May 31, 2014, 04:08:50 PM
4485 - on 33 left pheasey at 16:07
I took over down in Perry Barr at 16.31 :D (change bus for an Enviro400, came on around 2pm)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/14128332750/
The Geminis are the best buses we have, 4485 had very brisk acceleration, a lot better than the Enviro400s
I do like the Gemini's, I was under the impression that the 94 was going to see more of these as an upgrade and not having new vehicles.
However from my observations driving around the 67 always seems to get priority when the Bendi's are taken out of service. Surely the 94 should be above the ranking vs the 67.
However the fact the competition on the 94 has built up momentum and this route has been neglected for quite some time probably means the 67 is much more profitable these days.
Another dig at the management. ;)
A shame the planned February upgrade of the 94 never happened. Today though the route is mainly Gemini and Scania Omnicity. All recently refurbed and looking very smart.
I guess that is progress never look very smart when ever I go to use the service. Still seems to be bottom of the pile since moving to PB. Wonder if would get better treatment if BC ran it.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 01, 2014, 09:08:27 PM
I guess that is progress never look very smart when ever I go to use the service. Still seems to be bottom of the pile since moving to PB. Wonder if would get better treatment if BC ran it.
All it would get is 10-13 year old Tridents
I only say that because the 90/70 & 97 inc 55 (being at BY) have all seem to have better treatment since leaving LH. Personal opinion.
The 17 hasn't done too badly either ;)
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 01, 2014, 09:44:48 PM
I only say that because the 90/70 & 97 inc 55 (being at BY) have all seem to have better treatment since leaving LH. Personal opinion.
The 70/90 gets 41xx tridents in general, older than what LH used to use. The 97 has buses 3 years older than those that LH had branded for it!
@monkeyjoe Well, Bordesley Green is made up of only Omnilinks, since their merc days were over... Are the Omnilinks at BY all from PB? Just to be sure...
Quote from: clayderman on June 01, 2014, 10:33:08 PM
@monkeyjoe Well, Bordesley Green is made up of only Omnilinks, since their merc days were over... Are the Omnilinks at BY all from PB? Just to be sure...
No, Bordesley have all of Lea Halls former allocation, and most of Perry Barr's original allocation of '57' OmniLinks
Well in my "personal" view the tridents seem in better nick than the ALX400's from PB. The 97 has received branding on vehicles that were originally 94 branded. In terms of what the 94 could have allocated it always seems to get what is on the bottom of PBs shoes compared to other services out of that depot.
Moan over until the next time, I'm bored.
Quote from: John on June 01, 2014, 10:34:37 PM
Quote from: clayderman on June 01, 2014, 10:33:08 PM
@monkeyjoe Well, Bordesley Green is made up of only Omnilinks, since their merc days were over... Are the Omnilinks at BY all from PB? Just to be sure...
No, Bordesley have all of Lea Halls former allocation, and most of Perry Barr's original allocation of '57' OmniLinks
Although BY has all the 57 plate Omnilinks that were new to LH, they actually came to BY from BC.
@monkeyjoe I agree that the 94 should probably receive an upgrade, but there are several other routes just as frequent, and some more frequent that deserve upgrades, and are probably higher up the pecking order than the 94 for an upgrade. The Outer Circle springs to mind. If you look at the routes that PB operate, the 7, 16, 65 and 101 are all high frequency routes but receive the same allocation, I wouldn't say the 94 gets a raw deal, it just gets the standard double deckers that most of the other routes receive, but that's just my opinion
Quote from: Tony on June 01, 2014, 09:49:54 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 01, 2014, 09:44:48 PM
I only say that because the 90/70 & 97 inc 55 (being at BY) have all seem to have better treatment since leaving LH. Personal opinion.
The 70/90 gets 41xx tridents in general, older than what LH used to use. The 97 has buses 3 years older than those that LH had branded for it!
Quite. I wouldn't hold the 97 up as a corridor to envy, they basically picked their tattiest, pinkest Tridents and stuck tacky plane vinyls on them.
Incidentally, I travelled on the 907 twice yesterday as my car was in for service. 4779 first, I sat next to the engine compartment where I could have fried my breakfast. While these buses now look extremely smart from the outside, I do find the standard of the NX refurbs very disappointing on the interior. These vehicles now look extremely odd, with blue floors, blue seatbacks and grey trim, worsened by the tinted window removing light which would otherwise balance up the mismatch. Why not fit new seatbacks at least? The window sills and interior coving were all absolutely filthy. Secondly, the engine compartment casing was rattling and vibrating just as badly as ever. 4778 next which absolutely reaked of deisel and was the same as 4779 in every other respect.
Why do NX struggle so much to keep these vehicles in the same excellent condition as B&H manage to? They have the potential to be such a great bus.
@andy - I agree with you with the poorer standard of interior refurbs. Certain refurbished Tridents look stunning from the outside, as-new condition, but the interiors really let them down. I've noticed the cab's aren't touched at all with missing switches and badly fitted dials. Very Volvo Ailsa-esque.
In terms of Perry Barr service I think the 16 & 94 are much more up the pecking order than say the 7 & 101 etc. As they have competition which in certain cases better standard of vehicles and are main artery routes into the CC vs 101 & 7 etc.
It is odd to have the grey trim with the blue seat backs; looks rather out of place. NX should have repainted the seat backs grey; otherwise it would be better to have just continued to use the TWM covers used in 2007 onwards than use the grey trim with blue seat backs. Rode 1833 today which was refurbed in 2012 and actually the interior looked better with the blue seat backs and Blue TWM covers than Omnilinks refurbished afterwards. The grey trim also shows up wear and tear pretty quickly; the grey trim"fades" such as on the 10 reg YW/AG Omnilinks. The TWM trim used in the 07 enviros still looks fine and not worn down. On a positive note though most of NX garages maintain the buses very well; for example YW's 57 reg Enviros (and the ex PB ones) are still in good condition and kept clean and sounding healthy, as are the Scanias. The Route 50 Enviros could do with a repaint now though!
Just curious when PB took over the 28 is that when it converted to singles or was it later than that.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 04, 2014, 09:26:15 PM
Just curious when PB took over the 28 is that when it converted to singles or was it later than that.
It was converted to single decker (B10B) operation in 2007 when the 28 was re-routed in Erdington from South Road, to Summer Road, under the low train bridge. Before that since the route came to Perry Barr, it was Metrobus operated, with a few rare workings of low floor deckers (there is a picture of 4108 on there on Tony's site, and I'm sure I've seen a pic of a Gemini on there)
Quote from: John on June 04, 2014, 09:30:08 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 04, 2014, 09:26:15 PM
Just curious when PB took over the 28 is that when it converted to singles or was it later than that.
It was converted to single decker (B10B) operation in 2007 when the 28 was re-routed in Erdington from South Road, to Summer Road, under the low train bridge. Before that since the route came to Perry Barr, it was Metrobus operated, with a few rare workings of low floor deckers (there is a picture of 4108 on there on Tony's site, and I'm sure I've seen a pic of a Gemini on there)
I did ride a Gemini on there shortly before the B10B invasion, but usually to get anything other than a Metrobus was pretty rare.
PB took over the 28 a week before WHs closure, so it would have been the last week of May 1998. Double deckers (usually Metrobuses) were the norm for quite a few years before the blobs arrived.
Been noticing that all the Omnicity's on the 907 have been repainted in new livery's and have been refurbished. Also 4851 STALKS ME!!!!
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 26, 2014, 10:35:11 AM
Been noticing that all the Omnicity's on the 907 have been repainted in new livery's and have been refurbished. Also 4851 STALKS ME!!!!
New liveries? I hope one's in WMPTE blue and cream :D
Interesting story in the mail about a pair of idiots getting caught trying to nick fares takings.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on June 30, 2014, 11:14:43 AM
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 26, 2014, 10:35:11 AM
Been noticing that all the Omnicity's on the 907 have been repainted in new livery's and have been refurbished. Also 4851 STALKS ME!!!!
New liveries? I hope one's in WMPTE blue and cream :D
Been repainting them into NXWM orange and white.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 01, 2014, 10:53:13 AM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on June 30, 2014, 11:14:43 AM
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 26, 2014, 10:35:11 AM
Been noticing that all the Omnicity's on the 907 have been repainted in new livery's and have been refurbished. Also 4851 STALKS ME!!!!
New liveries? I hope one's in WMPTE blue and cream :D
Been repainting them into NXWM orange and white.
As far as I am aware, the Scanias have been painted into red and white.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 01, 2014, 10:53:13 AM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on June 30, 2014, 11:14:43 AM
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 26, 2014, 10:35:11 AM
Been noticing that all the Omnicity's on the 907 have been repainted in new livery's and have been refurbished. Also 4851 STALKS ME!!!!
New liveries? I hope one's in WMPTE blue and cream :D
Been repainting them into NXWM orange and white.
I would say they have been repainted
red and white as shown here:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4777.html
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 30, 2014, 07:43:01 PM
Interesting story in the mail about a pair of idiots getting caught trying to nick fares takings.
Yes, two idiot Cash Counters got caught and convicted.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-bus-fares-theft-pair-7343690 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-bus-fares-theft-pair-7343690)
7033 passed me on All Saints Way, West Bromwich at around 16:00 today. Guessing it had been to Oak Lane
Is Perry Barr the biggest depot that NXWM have? It seems to have so many buses and operate most routes, and is by far the most important garage!
Perry Barr has the best fleet and I wish they would swap with Coventry!! >:( :(
Quote from: lauren1993 on July 06, 2014, 03:43:58 AM
Is Perry Barr the biggest depot that NXWM have? It seems to have so many buses and operate most routes, and is by far the most important garage!
Perry Barr has the best fleet and I wish they would swap with Coventry!! >:( :(
Birmingham Central is the biggest operational garage
Quote from: lauren1993 on July 06, 2014, 03:43:58 AM
Is Perry Barr the biggest depot that NXWM have? It seems to have so many buses and operate most routes, and is by far the most important garage!
Perry Barr has the best fleet and I wish they would swap with Coventry!! >:( :(
The most important garage?
What do you mean by that? How can one garage be more important lol. Do you mean in terms of vehicle age or...?
Quote from: Michael on July 06, 2014, 03:16:59 PM
Quote from: lauren1993 on July 06, 2014, 03:43:58 AM
Is Perry Barr the biggest depot that NXWM have? It seems to have so many buses and operate most routes, and is by far the most important garage!
Perry Barr has the best fleet and I wish they would swap with Coventry!! >:( :(
The most important garage?
What do you mean by that? How can one garage be more important lol. Do you mean in terms of vehicle age or...?
I think this definition of important refers to the vehicles that Perry Barr have ie Scanias, mk2 E400's, bendybuses and Gemini's
Has 4697 been out in service yet? Itching to get a look at it!
4697 is out on the 907 today left moor street at 13:28
Got a good look at it in Priory Square, looks very smart just like the other Scanias
Managed a ride on 4697 today - a good job has been done inside as well as out.
4780 on the 16 today. Eager to catch the bus, I missed one on purpose... Also, 4697 looks smart, although I think had they left the dark light surrounds on the front of the bus, it would've looked 'prestige'. :P
Our Enviro200s will start in service next Monday, with type training on Wednesday and Thursday for the 654 drivers. I haven't seem them yet, so might be delivered today
Quote from: John on July 15, 2014, 08:59:48 AM
Our Enviro200s will start in service next Monday, with type training on Wednesday and Thursday for the 654 drivers. I haven't seem them yet, so might be delivered today
Awesome, I'll try and catch a 654 to/from work one day next week then
Quote from: Kevin on July 15, 2014, 11:26:53 AM
Quote from: John on July 15, 2014, 08:59:48 AM
Our Enviro200s will start in service next Monday, with type training on Wednesday and Thursday for the 654 drivers. I haven't seem them yet, so might be delivered today
Awesome, I'll try and catch a 654 to/from work one day next week then
I went to catch my last Solo yesterday and had a right palaver doing so! I arrived at Perry Barr about six minutes before the scheduled departure to Hamstead intending to pop to the loo before it went. Just as I was entering One Stop a bus arrived showing '654 Hamstead Village' on the digital blind and stopped at the 51 stop.
I came out at 1130, to see the bus had left. I was not very happy as I believed it had departed early. I then see another bus come in with blank blinds which used the middle stand, but believing my bus had already gone I incorrectly assumed this was the Aston bus.
So I wait half an hour and then board the next 654 (again with blank blinds) from the 51 stop (which I should add, although showing 654 on the flag pole does not contain a 654 timetable inside the shelter) only to end up heading towards Aston!
At least I still travelled on a Solo for the last time!
I too went on a Solo for possibly the last time last week. This I think is my only 2nd ever journey on a TWM example. The last time being when they were new on the 636.
Quote from: Gareth on July 15, 2014, 03:07:38 PM
I too went on a Solo for possibly the last time last week. This I think is my only 2nd ever journey on a TWM example. The last time being when they were new on the 636.
Might try and get one if they are still in traffic on Saturday. Haven't caught an NX example since they were withdrawn at WN
Quote from: Nathan on July 15, 2014, 09:56:36 PM
Quote from: Gareth on July 15, 2014, 03:07:38 PM
I too went on a Solo for possibly the last time last week. This I think is my only 2nd ever journey on a TWM example. The last time being when they were new on the 636.
Moght try and get one if they are still in traffic on Saturday. Haven't caught an NX example since they were withdrawn at WN
They will be still in service on Saturday. Notice in garage says they are not out till Monday. I have not seen them yet, so unless they are hiding in the rear yard, they are not here yet
I'm glad I had a drive of one in service before they disappear
No Enviro200s here yet, but 809 is in for type training
Any idea why a Line 33 Enviro was on the Black Country Spine Road around 215 today?
There was at least one Solo still out today, think it was 319. Also, 761 is in garage parked on the pits this evening
Quote from: John on July 21, 2014, 07:10:34 PM
There was at least one Solo still out today, think it was 319. Also, 761 is in garage parked on the pits this evening
We now have 2 in garage, still not out in service yet
286, 303 and 319 all still out on the 654 atm
4847 visited WB this morning with an engineer driving. Presumed MOT.
The Solos were still knocking about yesterday on the 654, saw one as I went through Perry Barr on 4697 on the 907. First ride on an Omnicity and on the 907; the only downside was the crippling heat! Also, there are some very strange noises coming out of 4697 when it accelerates and brakes, any ideas? It's a very noisy bus let's just say that
Quote from: uniquicity on July 23, 2014, 08:13:45 PM
4847 visited WB this morning with an engineer driving. Presumed MOT.
4914 was today's visitor...
Pensnett 4808 is on the 65 today. Passed it at Streetly Road city bound about 4.45pm
I wonder if it is an extra for the tunnel closure, it seems a strange choice to be on loan from Pensnett
EDIT - just seen it mentioned in rare workings thread
@John, how many Solos are still operating at the depot? Better catch a ride before they go!
Quote from: clayderman on July 25, 2014, 06:07:51 PM
@John, how many Solos are still operating at the depot? Better catch a ride before they go!
There are still 5 allocated, 3 are used daily on the 654 and one sometimes appears on the 28. I'm not sure how long they have left though, the Enviro200s were meant to start last Monday
Quote from: John on July 25, 2014, 06:10:52 PM
Quote from: clayderman on July 25, 2014, 06:07:51 PM
@John, how many Solos are still operating at the depot? Better catch a ride before they go!
There are still 5 allocated, 3 are used daily on the 654 and one sometimes appears on the 28. I'm not sure how long they have left though, the Enviro200s were meant to start last Monday
Sure they won't withdraw them all on Monday, not with the way that the WB one have been breaking down
Quote from: John on July 25, 2014, 05:12:46 PM
Pensnett 4808 is on the 65 today. Passed it at Streetly Road city bound about 4.45pm
I wonder if it is an extra for the tunnel closure, it seems a strange choice to be on loan from Pensnett
EDIT - just seen it mentioned in rare workings thread
It seems odd for a garage to be having to loan a bus in the middle of the reduced Summer Holiday frequency period. Fair enough maybe when V Festival is on, but I can't see any obvious reason currently!
I also find it odd that a bus on loan would be used from so early in the morning (did Tony mention from 0500ish in the other thread)? I understand you may know about a vehicle shortage in advance, but you'd think you may keep it on a peak board as a last resort?
Also why PE! Surely the closer garages have a bus spare?!
That is assuming this is just a loan!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 25, 2014, 07:00:10 PM
Quote from: John on July 25, 2014, 06:10:52 PM
Quote from: clayderman on July 25, 2014, 06:07:51 PM
@John, how many Solos are still operating at the depot? Better catch a ride before they go!
There are still 5 allocated, 3 are used daily on the 654 and one sometimes appears on the 28. I'm not sure how long they have left though, the Enviro200s were meant to start last Monday
Sure they won't withdraw them all on Monday, not with the way that the WB one have been breaking down
Speaking of WB, are there still any darts? Haven't seen much from my observations at Dudley Bus Station...
3608 was on the 44 earlier @clayderman
Solos 287, 303 & 319 on the 654 today
4808 is on the 907 today
4808 on the 914 today, and whatever it might interwork with on a Sunday
Quote from: John on July 27, 2014, 04:36:19 PM
4808 on the 914 today, and whatever it might interwork with on a Sunday
Is 4808 on loan then? Its been at PB for a few days now
Quote from: Nathan on July 27, 2014, 04:45:50 PM
Quote from: John on July 27, 2014, 04:36:19 PM
4808 on the 914 today, and whatever it might interwork with on a Sunday
Is 4808 on loan then? Its been at PB for a few days now
Yes. It's on loan, as stated in the Noteworth Workings thread. :) Although, I think it may be on loan for the duration of the tunnel closure, not too sure about how long the loan is for...
Looks like 4808 is out all night on thE 914
Mini Enviro 200 762 is out in service today on the Cap Gemini shuttle.
4808 is having a day on the 65 today
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 28, 2014, 02:32:10 PM
4808 is having a day on the 65 today
I've had a thought. Maybe 4808 is on loan to cover for 4914 currently engaged at West Brom (obviously West Brom could not type train on 4808)
Quote from: Mike K on July 28, 2014, 12:46:21 PM
Mini Enviro 200 762 is out in service today on the Cap Gemini shuttle.
are the other mini envrios out on 654 service now that one of them is out
Quote from: Mike K on July 28, 2014, 12:46:21 PM
Mini Enviro 200 762 is out in service today on the Cap Gemini shuttle.
Just saw one flying over Lancaster Circus so I imagine that's what it was.
Quote from: Solo1 on July 28, 2014, 05:36:17 PM
are the other mini envrios out on 654 service now that one of them is out
Definitely one solo still going, saw 287 when I went past One Stop this morning, and again just now as I type, in the same position, spooky!
Quote from: Kevin on July 28, 2014, 06:15:11 PM
Quote from: Mike K on July 28, 2014, 12:46:21 PM
Mini Enviro 200 762 is out in service today on the Cap Gemini shuttle.
Just saw one flying over Lancaster Circus so I imagine that's what it was.
Quote from: Solo1 on July 28, 2014, 05:36:17 PM
are the other mini envrios out on 654 service now that one of them is out
Definitely one solo still going, saw 287 when I went past One Stop this morning, and again just now as I type, in the same position, spooky!
286, 287 & 303 on the 654 today
763 on the 654 today around midday along with 287 & 303
Quote from: JIM H on July 28, 2014, 06:34:08 PM
763 on the 654 today around midday along with 287 & 303
286 came out at 15:35, so replaced 763
Saw 319 out of service today in the City Centre around 2:30
654 appears to have the new buses on today
Quote from: Tony on July 29, 2014, 08:06:29 AM
654 appears to have the new buses on today
Are they showing up on the AVL system yet?
Quote from: Nathan on July 29, 2014, 09:14:42 AM
Quote from: Tony on July 29, 2014, 08:06:29 AM
654 appears to have the new buses on today
Are they still not showing up on the system?
I saw one at One Stop, with scrolling via destinations
What's on the gap Shuttle to day & what times does it run
Just came thro town & 319 was noted on the 66,didn't take long for them to be reassigned.
Quote from: broma1k on July 29, 2014, 04:36:15 PM
Just came thro town & 319 was noted on the 66,didn't take long for them to be reassigned.
Just a very rare one off (As i posted in the Noteworthy Workings thread). 763 noted on the 654 today
4808 is on the 67 today
762, 763 and 764 onthe 654 this morning.
Is 4934 out in service today?, the last one I need which I cannot find
Had a ride on 764 this evening (walked up to Aston from work and caught it on the 654 all the way round to Hamstead - fancied a bit of a change of scenery)
Have to say, I love them already. Yeah they may be slow off the mark and plastic, but tbh I reckon that's perfect for a minibus route, managed fine in and around all the parked cars in Handsworth Wood, seemed no less awkward than a big car.
Seriously hope though that they don't start putting them on any other route like they have been with the Solos though, cause I've experienced that on the 28 and it was hell
Just seen a PB E400 (49**) go down W'ton Ring Rd presumably to PL for MOT?
Quote from: Nathan on August 01, 2014, 12:22:36 PM
Just seen a PB E400 (49**) go down W'ton Ring Rd presumably to PL for MOT?
Really? - the earliest due won't be until September/ October surely?
Nathan is referring to the existing batch at perry barr being seen in wolverhampton. Not the new batch which is for central/west brom
I'm referring to the PB49xx batch too, they're not a year old yet.
Could someone please tell me from the batch of new buses at Perry Barr 761 to 764 if 3 are needed for the 654 and 2 for the 651and all the PB solos are now withdrawn what is the other bus used as 2 are required for the 651 so why are there not 5 new buses at PB and is the other bus used a scania.?
The 654 needs 3 buses. The 651 does not run anymore so there is one spare left over each day for breakdowns/maintenance
Quote from: John on August 06, 2014, 06:35:07 PM
The 654 needs 3 buses. The 651 does not run anymore so there is one spare left over each day for breakdowns/maintenance
I've seen one run the Cap Gemini contract a couple of times too
Quote from: Nathan on August 06, 2014, 06:59:05 PM
Quote from: John on August 06, 2014, 06:35:07 PM
The 654 needs 3 buses. The 651 does not run anymore so there is one spare left over each day for breakdowns/maintenance
I've seen one run the Cap Gemini contract a couple of times too
That was when we still had the Solos, so I would not think that would happen anymore now
Saw a 33 branded Enviro400 parked up at Carlyle Bus & Coach but couldn't see the fleet number.
Does anybody know which one it is?
Thanks :)
Quote from: Nathan on August 12, 2014, 10:14:17 AM
Saw a 33 branded Enviro400 parked up at Carlyle Bus & Coach but couldn't see the fleet number.
Does anybody know which one it is?
Thanks :)
That will be the one involved in the accident on Cooksey Lane last week. (The only one I noticed was 4848 so its not that one)
There are also a few '61' Enviro400s off the road at the minute, so both 4486 and 4932 on the 33 today
4927 on the 33 today. Most likely covering for the branded bus off with accident damage
Quote from: Nathan on August 15, 2014, 12:18:02 PM
4927 on the 33 today. Most likely covering for the branded bus off with accident damage
Oh that's where she's got to... Last one to travel on - maybe if I can get back to my city at a decent time....
Quote from: Nathan on August 15, 2014, 12:18:02 PM
4927 on the 33 today. Most likely covering for the branded bus off with accident damage
4934 is on the 33 too
Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 15, 2014, 07:00:43 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 15, 2014, 12:18:02 PM
4927 on the 33 today. Most likely covering for the branded bus off with accident damage
4934 is on the 33 too
I never seem to get one of those!
4849 was not on the 33 as it appeared on the 7 this afternoon, and an unbranded 485* was on another route today, so that's why those 2 were on the 33 (We started off yesterday with the 33 completely '61' Enviro400)
4781 - 33
Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 17, 2014, 06:25:41 PM
4781 - 33
Only came out this evening as a change bus it seems. 4477 also on the 33 all day
There is a '63' Enviro400 on the 33 today, don't know which
Quote from: The Real 4778 on August 15, 2014, 03:25:27 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 15, 2014, 12:18:02 PM
4927 on the 33 today. Most likely covering for the branded bus off with accident damage
Oh that's where she's got to... Last one to travel on - maybe if I can get back to my city at a decent time....
4927 crossed my path like a lucky black cat last Saturday, last of the batch for me.
Skeratch.
Quote from: John on August 12, 2014, 11:17:58 AM
Quote from: Nathan on August 12, 2014, 10:14:17 AM
Saw a 33 branded Enviro400 parked up at Carlyle Bus & Coach but couldn't see the fleet number.
Does anybody know which one it is?
Thanks :)
That will be the one involved in the accident on Cooksey Lane last week. (The only one I noticed was 4848 so its not that one)
There are also a few '61' Enviro400s off the road at the minute, so both 4486 and 4932 on the 33 today
4846 was the bus involved
Another '63' Enviro400 is on the 33 today
Someone's mentioned 4932 is on the 16. Would it still be on there now?
(1000th Post in this Topic) :P
Perry barr had this advert bus out today https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/14805722787/
Quote from: Solo1 on August 21, 2014, 08:13:47 PM
Perry barr had this advert bus out today https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/14805722787/
I guess that's another TWM Livery that's gonna go for the chop soon. I really liked the few remaining ones... It looks like 4245, is it 4245?
Its 4246.
Quote from: clayderman on August 21, 2014, 08:21:07 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on August 21, 2014, 08:13:47 PM
Perry barr had this advert bus out today https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/14805722787/
I guess that's another TWM Livery that's gonna go for the chop soon. I really liked the few remaining ones... It looks like 4245, is it 4245?
4246
4928 on 33 today
4697 out on 33 today
Quote from: John on August 21, 2014, 08:24:45 PM
Quote from: clayderman on August 21, 2014, 08:21:07 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on August 21, 2014, 08:13:47 PM
Perry barr had this advert bus out today https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/14805722787/
I guess that's another TWM Livery that's gonna go for the chop soon. I really liked the few remaining ones... It looks like 4245, is it 4245?
4246
Well, I guess not. I saw 4245 yesterday on the 16. Looks sort of scruffy at the front, but nonetheless, it shows what operator it is... Anyway, I'm ashamed that 4246 didn't make it any longer with it's full TWM Livery. If i'm right 4281 still has it though. Loved 4246 for it's livery...
4281s just gone for refurb @clayderman
1826 with us today on 66s
Not sure if anyone else has noticed but the bus stopping sign in 4243 is upside down
Noticed the 16's running Via Lancaster Circus to join Lower Bull Street, not sure why ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 27, 2014, 02:36:15 PM
Noticed the 16's running Via Lancaster Circus to join Lower Bull Street, not sure why ?
Priory Queensway between Old Square and Colmore Circus was shut, something about a loose pane of glass or something in one of the buildings I overhead a policeman say, that was probably why 16s were going a different way.
Spotted at Carlyle Bus and Coach earlier.
(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1018.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faf308%2Fxixtomxix%2FIMG_12121_zpsd59af755.jpg&hash=a4fc8b7f6c27190458932d4369f9f6f6ad3a91ab) (http://s1018.photobucket.com/user/xixtomxix/media/IMG_12121_zpsd59af755.jpg.html)
(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1018.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faf308%2Fxixtomxix%2FIMG_12132_zpsbc2120ed.jpg&hash=5d97885ef615264f6baaddf8a02fe8027d3746ea) (http://s1018.photobucket.com/user/xixtomxix/media/IMG_12132_zpsbc2120ed.jpg.html)
I notice a lot of the PB routes are having timetable reliability changes taking place from 21st Sep.
What is pvr of 16?
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/warning---swearing-racist-abuse-7692369
I notice this one is doing the rounds then. Can see why this route is unlikely to get any new buses then lol. I'll stick to my motor.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 01, 2014, 08:51:57 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/warning---swearing-racist-abuse-7692369
I notice this one is doing the rounds then. Can see why this route is unlikely to get any new buses then lol. I'll stick to my motor.
Claribels nice new buses are tucked up in bed whilst NXWM buses are still carrying idiots around like that pair.....
4235 in service today without any working dot matrix displays, on the 16, I presume
3 of the 4 unbranded '61' Enviro400s strayed a bit today.
4855 (I think) was the bus on the 952, and 4853 was on 914s, and I had 4854 on the 907 (Which was also the last bus I drove yesterday on the 33 as well, quite funny that!)
4935 was on the 67 today as well
I have seen the single decks appearing on the 94 twice this week (last was yesterday). Not sure if that is a big deal :)
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 08, 2014, 12:27:33 AM
I have seen the single decks appearing on the 94 twice this week (last was yesterday). Not sure if that is a big deal :)
I saw them both yesterday, 1839 and 1875 they were. Quite unusual for one to be on the 94, let alone 2
We are running short of single deckers this week it seems. Last Wednesday, I had to bring a 28 out of garage in the afternoon, at 3.15pm. 1876 was not fit for service as it was been worked on, and another was not available until nearly 6pm, and this was only 1847 was brought in off the 952 with a defect, this was repaired and then given to me for the 28, and a Gemini went onto the 952.
I don't know if we had 1824 on loan yesterday, as it was parked on the garage driveway
Better standard than they normally get, ha ha. Had to get that dig in.
94 upgraded?
Today the 94 is almost completely refurbished Geminis. The only two vehicles not geminis are 4238 & 4290 two of PBs most respectable ALX400s
Quote from: Tony on September 08, 2014, 10:41:17 AM
94 upgraded?
Today the 94 is almost completely refurbished Geminis. The only two vehicles not geminis are 4238 & 4290 two of PBs most respectable ALX400s
Sorry Boss! but refurbished Gemini's still doesn't compare to the ultra modern fleet Claribels use on the 94. Ultimately they're still 11 year old buses.
The same age as the Tridents originally bought for the route when at Lea Hall.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 08, 2014, 07:04:48 PM
The same age as the Tridents originally bought for the route when at Lea Hall.
I would like to bet the vast majority of the people on the 94 could not tell the difference between a refurbished Gemin, now been done a year, and any new bus after a year in service. I found that when 4177 was first refurbished and I was sent out travelling on it asking people how old they thought it was. General opinion was about a year old
Fair point, they are all uncomfortable with engine heat when you it at the back, so probably right lol.
Quote from: John on September 08, 2014, 12:33:28 AM
I don't know if we had 1824 on loan yesterday, as it was parked on the garage driveway
On the 46 yesterday
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 08, 2014, 10:54:15 PM
Fair point, they are all uncomfortable with engine heat when you it at the back, so probably right lol.
All Gemini again today except for 4235
Most of the Geminis are still very good buses - they have always been better than the ALX/Trident buses due to the better suspension, design and quality. Rode 4667 on the 11 today and excellent riding bus still. Just needs an internal refurb and external repaint.
Have noticed the 7 has been near enough Alx operated for the last couple days as opposed to majortly Gemini, think they may have swoppped some with the 65 as that is seeing more Geminis
Quote from: Lukeee on September 09, 2014, 09:19:15 PM
Have noticed the 7 has been near enough Alx operated for the last couple days as opposed to majortly Gemini, think they may have swoppped some with the 65 as that is seeing more Geminis
Or the 94, which seems to be almost fully Gemini operated recently
Quote from: Lukeee on September 09, 2014, 09:19:15 PM
Have noticed the 7 has been near enough Alx operated for the last couple days as opposed to majortly Gemini, think they may have swoppped some with the 65 as that is seeing more Geminis
Dunno man, 65 doesn't seem any different to normal to me
Maybe with the timetable changes on the 21st will see them finally deciding what route gets what.
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 09, 2014, 09:23:41 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on September 09, 2014, 09:19:15 PM
Have noticed the 7 has been near enough Alx operated for the last couple days as opposed to majortly Gemini, think they may have swoppped some with the 65 as that is seeing more Geminis
Or the 94, which seems to be almost fully Gemini operated recently
Assuming these could be the new buses for the 94, would be a bit of an upgrade over the ALXs
Quote from: Lukeee on September 10, 2014, 10:04:42 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 09, 2014, 09:23:41 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on September 09, 2014, 09:19:15 PM
Have noticed the 7 has been near enough Alx operated for the last couple days as opposed to majortly Gemini, think they may have swoppped some with the 65 as that is seeing more Geminis
Or the 94, which seems to be almost fully Gemini operated recently
Assuming these could be the new buses for the 94, would be a bit of an upgrade over the ALXs
I suppose. But the 94 has been part Gemini for a while, and like Winston said, they're still 11 year old buses. But yeah, certainly better quality than the ALXs
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 10, 2014, 10:09:03 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on September 10, 2014, 10:04:42 PM
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Quote from: Lukeee on September 09, 2014, 09:19:15 PM
Have noticed the 7 has been near enough Alx operated for the last couple days as opposed to majortly Gemini, think they may have swoppped some with the 65 as that is seeing more Geminis
Or the 94, which seems to be almost fully Gemini operated recently
Assuming these could be the new buses for the 94, would be a bit of an upgrade over the ALXs
I suppose. But the 94 has been part Gemini for a while, and like Winston said, they're still 11 year old buses. But yeah, certainly better quality than the ALXs
...and a downgrade for the 7... But let's be honest who cares about the 7, really?
Quote from: Kevin on September 10, 2014, 10:49:52 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 10, 2014, 10:09:03 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on September 10, 2014, 10:04:42 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 09, 2014, 09:23:41 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on September 09, 2014, 09:19:15 PM
Have noticed the 7 has been near enough Alx operated for the last couple days as opposed to majortly Gemini, think they may have swoppped some with the 65 as that is seeing more Geminis
Or the 94, which seems to be almost fully Gemini operated recently
Assuming these could be the new buses for the 94, would be a bit of an upgrade over the ALXs
I suppose. But the 94 has been part Gemini for a while, and like Winston said, they're still 11 year old buses. But yeah, certainly better quality than the ALXs
...and a downgrade for the 7... But let's be honest who cares about the 7, really?
Not me. I mean, not saying it's a bad route, but there's barely any stops in the Newtown area... I say B7TLs fit in perfectly. I'd even dare to say bring back Presidents for the 7...
Quote from: clayderman on September 10, 2014, 11:16:39 PM
Quote from: Kevin on September 10, 2014, 10:49:52 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 10, 2014, 10:09:03 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on September 10, 2014, 10:04:42 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 09, 2014, 09:23:41 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on September 09, 2014, 09:19:15 PM
Have noticed the 7 has been near enough Alx operated for the last couple days as opposed to majortly Gemini, think they may have swoppped some with the 65 as that is seeing more Geminis
Or the 94, which seems to be almost fully Gemini operated recently
Assuming these could be the new buses for the 94, would be a bit of an upgrade over the ALXs
I suppose. But the 94 has been part Gemini for a while, and like Winston said, they're still 11 year old buses. But yeah, certainly better quality than the ALXs
...and a downgrade for the 7... But let's be honest who cares about the 7, really?
Not me. I mean, not saying it's a bad route, but there's barely any stops in the Newtown area... I say B7TLs fit in perfectly. I'd even dare to say bring back Presidents for the 7...
That would be breaking the Birmingham Emission Rules due to being Euro 2 engined
Any one know what 4945 is on today
2 '63' Enviro400s on the 33 today, 4932 (Which has had front end accident repairs as it has a red front panel), and 4937
Quote from: Kevin on September 10, 2014, 10:49:52 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 10, 2014, 10:09:03 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on September 10, 2014, 10:04:42 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 09, 2014, 09:23:41 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on September 09, 2014, 09:19:15 PM
Have noticed the 7 has been near enough Alx operated for the last couple days as opposed to majortly Gemini, think they may have swoppped some with the 65 as that is seeing more Geminis
Or the 94, which seems to be almost fully Gemini operated recently
Assuming these could be the new buses for the 94, would be a bit of an upgrade over the ALXs
I suppose. But the 94 has been part Gemini for a while, and like Winston said, they're still 11 year old buses. But yeah, certainly better quality than the ALXs
...and a downgrade for the 7... But let's be honest who cares about the 7, really?
Me as its my local route
Quote from: Lukeee on September 21, 2014, 07:51:16 PM
Quote from: Kevin on September 10, 2014, 10:49:52 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 10, 2014, 10:09:03 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on September 10, 2014, 10:04:42 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 09, 2014, 09:23:41 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on September 09, 2014, 09:19:15 PM
Have noticed the 7 has been near enough Alx operated for the last couple days as opposed to majortly Gemini, think they may have swoppped some with the 65 as that is seeing more Geminis
Or the 94, which seems to be almost fully Gemini operated recently
Assuming these could be the new buses for the 94, would be a bit of an upgrade over the ALXs
I suppose. But the 94 has been part Gemini for a while, and like Winston said, they're still 11 year old buses. But yeah, certainly better quality than the ALXs
...and a downgrade for the 7... But let's be honest who cares about the 7, really?
Me as its my local route
Your lucky to have a route that isn't cared about, the older stuff is much better!
All my local routes are new enviros now and Its so boring I prefer to drive
Quote from: BU07 LGO on September 25, 2014, 01:37:57 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on September 21, 2014, 07:51:16 PM
Quote from: Kevin on September 10, 2014, 10:49:52 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 10, 2014, 10:09:03 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on September 10, 2014, 10:04:42 PM
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 09, 2014, 09:23:41 PM
Quote from: Lukeee on September 09, 2014, 09:19:15 PM
Have noticed the 7 has been near enough Alx operated for the last couple days as opposed to majortly Gemini, think they may have swoppped some with the 65 as that is seeing more Geminis
Or the 94, which seems to be almost fully Gemini operated recently
Assuming these could be the new buses for the 94, would be a bit of an upgrade over the ALXs
I suppose. But the 94 has been part Gemini for a while, and like Winston said, they're still 11 year old buses. But yeah, certainly better quality than the ALXs
...and a downgrade for the 7... But let's be honest who cares about the 7, really?
Me as its my local route
Your lucky to have a route that isn't cared about, the older stuff is much better!
All my local routes are new enviros now and Its so boring I prefer to drive
Fair point, it is the principle, unfair distribution of resources and competition all be it limited operating timetables whipping the ass of NXWM. (In the time period of the last 4 years)
Just about to set off for Telford in 4777. Being followed by 4781 & 4779
To cover for the three scanias going to Telford 1827 on952. 4947 on 16
Quote from: Tony on September 26, 2014, 09:20:01 PM
To cover for the three scanias going to Telford 1827 on952. 4947 on 16
I thought I'd seen 4947 on the 829 this morning, unless it moved to PB this afternoon?
Quote from: Mike K on September 26, 2014, 09:40:54 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 26, 2014, 09:20:01 PM
To cover for the three scanias going to Telford 1827 on952. 4947 on 16
I thought I'd seen 4947 on the 829 this morning, unless it moved to PB this afternoon?
Correct. The private hire was this evening, so PB only needed to borrow buses for the evening peak
Quote from: Tony on September 26, 2014, 09:50:31 PM
Quote from: Mike K on September 26, 2014, 09:40:54 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 26, 2014, 09:20:01 PM
To cover for the three scanias going to Telford 1827 on952. 4947 on 16
I thought I'd seen 4947 on the 829 this morning, unless it moved to PB this afternoon?
Correct. The private hire was this evening, so PB only needed to borrow buses for the evening peak
4947 was on the 7 about 18.20 in witton
Quote from: Tony on September 26, 2014, 09:20:01 PM
To cover for the three scanias going to Telford 1827 on952. 4947 on 16
We has 1817 (if I remember correctly) as well, was on the 46s
I passed 2 of the Scanias by the Dog Track tonight, thought it was strange they were in convoy coming down the Walsall Rd, obviously now they were coming from the M6
Quote from: John on September 26, 2014, 10:10:38 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 26, 2014, 09:20:01 PM
To cover for the three scanias going to Telford 1827 on952. 4947 on 16
We has 1817 (if I remember correctly) as well, was on the 46s
I passed 2 of the Scanias by the Dog Track tonight, thought it was strange they were in convoy coming down the Walsall Rd, obviously now they were coming from the M6
You just missed me then. I got through Church Lane lights, they didn't!
Here is a photo of all three in Telford
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4777.html
There's an unidentified Scania bendi at MAN in Bermuda Park, Nuneaton. It's not the first time I've spotted NXWM Scanias there either, surely it would be easier to send them to Keltruck in West Brom? Or is it some other kind of work being done?
4939 on 16
4937 and what I think was a 61 reg E400 on the 16 today
Quote from: N94 on October 10, 2014, 07:03:44 PM
4937 and what I think was a 61 reg E400 on the 16 today
4853
PB short of buses or something. There was a Gemini (4515 or 4516) on the 115/914 today
Quote from: Sh4318 on October 10, 2014, 08:08:16 PM
Quote from: N94 on October 10, 2014, 07:03:44 PM
4937 and what I think was a 61 reg E400 on the 16 today
4853
PB short of buses or something. There was a Gemini (4515 or 4516) on the 115/914 today
4930 and 4269 on the 16 as well
I'm pretty sure 4853 was a change bus for something else
I saw 4263 on the 33 this morning aswell.
BY's 1816 is on the 66 today, and I think there's an Omnilink on the 7 (if thats at all unusual)
Quote from: N94 on October 15, 2014, 11:15:36 AM
BY's 1816 is on the 66 today, and I think there's an Omnilink on the 7 (if thats at all unusual)
Not too unusual
4778 - 16.
Just passed a 33 branded E400 at six ways inbound stop with hazard lights on and displaying "Pheasey"
4278 was being towed through Newtown about quarter to 2 this afternoon
4261 has a loose bell pusher cover. The bottom screw is absent on the pole, between the pushchair/wheelchair section. Discovered this morning along with this:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1909.300
Wrong blinds, 101 had 'Not in service' on the blinds. :)
Quote from: clayderman on November 12, 2014, 09:02:33 PM
4261 has a loose bell pusher cover. The bottom screw is absent on the pole, between the pushchair/wheelchair section. Discovered this morning along with this:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1909.300
Wrong blinds, 101 had 'Not in service' on the blinds. :)
Perhaps it was 'Not in service'? Sometimes drivers are instructed to drop off only and display Not in service
Quote from: Tony on November 12, 2014, 09:10:19 PM
Quote from: clayderman on November 12, 2014, 09:02:33 PM
4261 has a loose bell pusher cover. The bottom screw is absent on the pole, between the pushchair/wheelchair section. Discovered this morning along with this:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1909.300
Wrong blinds, 101 had 'Not in service' on the blinds. :)
Perhaps it was 'Not in service'? Sometimes drivers are instructed to drop off only and display Not in service
The driver was stopping as a normal service would. Also, the inspectors who got on at Jewellery Quarter informed her (the driver) of the mishap. I think I should've clarified that this was a morning service. (leaves Goode Avenue @ 7:35 approx.)
However, regarding the loose bell pusher cover, should I contact NX, through their website?
This is a random question but does the 38 operate on one of the highest profit margin in terms of route @ PB. In terms of low cost due to low PVR vs number carried always wondered as always seem to get allocated the better vehicles in the PB fleet vs some other routes.
4919 payed a visit to Sheldon and Cranes Park this morning.
Pic - https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/15648557467/
Vid - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWyOm2O23EU
What happen to the bendibuses yesterday as my friend didn't c any
Shouldn't the 16 have new buses?
I mean it has a bit of competition!
Which routes at PB should have new buses?
94 but will probably get Sutton line cast offs
The LED adverts that seem to adorn the 33 route every December are back
Saw the same O2 advert (with LED lights) on a bus in London last weekend.
E400 MMC at Perry Barr today. Strange how it went to Wolves first, instead of PB. Which would make more sense as it is closer to Miller Street. What next? Coventry, then Walsall? ::)
Phot Evidence (Not my Photo):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126627257@N02/15758864860/in/photostream/
EDIT: My bad. Seems like it paid* a visit to Pensnett before PB. :P
*wrong spelling
I think routes 7,16 should get new enviro 400's.
And some citaro's for PB.
You'll be waiting a long time for citaros with NX and ADLs exclusive contract.
Here are some changes I've thought of for PB:
66A - 111 907 - 977 38 - Withdrawn 952 - Withdrawn 94 PB - BC
115 - change, now runs along Aston Expressway instead of Lichfield road.
Combined with 914 to make it every 15 mins between:
Sutton Coldfield, Falcon Lodge and Walmley.
46 & 654 - joined together as 1 route numbered 46
46 from Birmingham, Heathfield road then Brichfield road (towards Birmingham)then upto Aston six ways where it goes down Victoria road and carries on the old 654 route and the same in the opposite direction too.
New Routes:
44 - same as 111 from Erdington to Court lane then Chester road then Kings road (to Kingstanding circle), then Kingstanding road then Bakers lane, then Aldridge road, Hundered Acre road, then Bridle lane, Blackwood road, then Foley road West, Foley road East, then Thornhill road, Streetly lane, then Belwell lane, Lichfield road, then to Sutton Coldfield town centre.
978 - same as 977 from Birmingham to New Oscott then Chester road north, then Chester road to Streetly Hardwick Arms then Chester road back to Birmingham.
979 - same as 977 from Birmingham to New Oscott then down Kings road, Quesslett road, Old Horns crescent, then Aldridge road, Quesslett road then back to Birmingham.
992 - same as 934 from Birmingham to Kingstanding Circle then Kingstanding road, Cooksey lane, then Wandsworth road, Bandywood road, then Lambeth road, Romey way, then Bonnington way, Wimperis way, then Beacon road, Collingwood drive, then Hillingford Avenue, Beacon road, then Quesslett road, Old Horns crescent, then Aldridge road, Beacon road, then back to Birmingham.
994 - same as 934 from Birmingham to Perry Barr (BCU), then the same as 33 from Perry Barr (BCU) to Cooksey lane then Wandsworth road, Bandywood road, then Lambeth road, Quesslett road, then Birmingham road, then a 360 around M6 J7 Island, then back to Birmingham.
Extensions:
33 - from Collingwood drive, Hillingford avenue, Beacon road, Quesslett road, Old Horns crescent, Aldridge road, Beacon road and back to Birmingham.
66 - from Kingstanding Circle, Kings road, Collingwood drive, Collingwood drive lay-by.
With no real logic behind any of them, why change all those 93xx series routes when they have received loads of investment and seen growth.
The Fox 4846, just wow. I'm glad you're not the one who does the route changes. Keep on fantasising. :)
Quote from: Tony on December 03, 2014, 08:05:53 PM
The LED adverts that seem to adorn the 33 route every December are back
Awesome. Will the 33 have the LED adverts displaying "Merry Christmas" like last year? I haven't been down to Birmingham for a while.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on December 04, 2014, 10:43:31 PM
With no real logic behind any of them, why change all those 93xx series routes when they have received loads of investment and seen growth.
Even worse, why withdraw well used routes like the 38 without replacement
It was just an idea,
If it had been for real I would've thought extra hard and there wouldn't be half as many new routes and I'd probably not withdraw routes,
So as I have said, it was just an idea.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on December 05, 2014, 08:36:34 PM
It was just an idea,
If it had been for real I would've thought extra hard and there wouldn't be half as many new routes and I'd probably not withdraw routes,
So as I have said, it was just an idea.
Anything else like this in the main threads will be deleted. Please use the route suggestions thread for fantasies
Ok Tony, Sorry!
Why haven't the depot used 4893 on loan for public service if they have a vehicle shortage?
Quote from: lauren1993 on December 06, 2014, 03:08:46 AM
Why haven't the depot used 4893 on loan for public service if they have a vehicle shortage?
The reason it is at PB is for repairs. Not a good idea sending it out in service with bits missing
That,s a good idea P419EJW withdrawing the 952. So, the residents of Perry Beeches, obviously don't require a bus service in your book then!!
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Quote from: old50niner on December 11, 2014, 11:36:26 AM
That,s a good idea P419EJW withdrawing the 952. So, the residents of Perry Beeches, obviously don't require a bus service in your book then!!
Lol, whut? Read again. It was "The Fox 4846" who said about the changes, obviously you spoke to the wrong person. My reply to The Fox 4846 was sarcastic.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on December 04, 2014, 09:55:08 PM
Here are some changes I've thought of for PB:
66A - 111 907 - 977 38 - Withdrawn 952 - Withdrawn 94 PB - BC
Quote from: P419 EJW on December 11, 2014, 01:20:01 PM
Quote from: old50niner on December 11, 2014, 11:36:26 AM
That,s a good idea P419EJW withdrawing the 952. So, the residents of Perry Beeches, obviously don't require a bus service in your book then!!
Lol, whut? Read again. It was "The Fox 4846" who said about the changes, obviously you spoke to the wrong person. My reply to The Fox 4846 was sarcastic.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on December 04, 2014, 09:55:08 PM
Here are some changes I've thought of for PB:
66A - 111 907 - 977 38 - Withdrawn 952 - Withdrawn 94 PB - BC
Just a cheeky input here. There is WMSNT's 424. Just saying... ;)
Alright, bye! lol
Quote from: Tony on December 06, 2014, 08:06:14 AM
Quote from: lauren1993 on December 06, 2014, 03:08:46 AM
Why haven't the depot used 4893 on loan for public service if they have a vehicle shortage?
The reason it is at PB is for repairs. Not a good idea sending it out in service with bits missing
It was taken to Walsall the other day on trade plates (Monday or Tuesday)
4238, 4303, 4498, 4515, 6025, 6028, 6029 and 6030 on the PB 67 this afternoon. 6025 had failed at Castle Vale. Bendies seem to be having a bad time.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on December 12, 2014, 08:29:42 PM
4238, 4303, 4498, 4515, 6025, 6028, 6029 and 6030 on the PB 67 this afternoon. 6025 had failed at Castle Vale. Bendies seem to be having a bad time.
6031 was out as well, It passed me in Corporation Street as I was walking to New Street
Don't you think that there should be more routes at Witton (Villa park). I mean on match days the buses are super crowded! I sure think there should be something done!
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on December 14, 2014, 09:55:17 AM
Don't you think that there should be more routes at Witton (Villa park). I mean on match days the buses are super crowded! I sure think there should be something done!
Mr fox there is the trains you can use
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on December 14, 2014, 09:55:17 AM
Don't you think that there should be more routes at Witton (Villa park). I mean on match days the buses are super crowded! I sure think there should be something done!
Are you saying more bus routes should be put on all year round, just for the 30 odd days there is a match at Villa Park? Or are you saying extra football specials should be put on?......Oh hang on they do that!
More buses on match days
4778 & 4781 were doing one of their 'Perry Barr Scanias on Tour' episodes last Thursday, Full marks to anyone who can name the location in the photograph (It is in Birmingham)
Quote from: Tony on December 15, 2014, 07:41:23 PM
4778 & 4781 were doing one of their 'Perry Barr Scanias on Tour' episodes last Thursday, Full marks to anyone who can name the location in the photograph (It is in Birmingham)
Looks exactly like King Edward's School, Edgbaston, to me.
Quote from: Tony on December 15, 2014, 07:41:23 PM
4778 & 4781 were doing one of their 'Perry Barr Scanias on Tour' episodes last Thursday, Full marks to anyone who can name the location in the photograph (It is in Birmingham)
tonys house
I saw 4777 this morning heading on the A51(?) to Amazon Rugeley! Any information on it?!?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on December 16, 2014, 08:28:59 PM
I saw 4777 this morning heading on the A51(?) to Amazon Rugeley! Any information on it?!?
Perry Barr run a duplicate on the Amazons (services run on contract for Amazon, to their Distribution Centre in Rugeley), so that would be why you saw it
Quote from: ARJ2901 on December 16, 2014, 09:25:34 PM
Quote from: Michael Bevan on December 16, 2014, 08:28:59 PM
I saw 4777 this morning heading on the A51(?) to Amazon Rugeley! Any information on it?!?
Perry Barr run a duplicate on the Amazons (services run on contract for Amazon, to their Distribution Centre in Rugeley), so that would be why you saw it
As do WA and WN. It has been previously discussed in other parts of the forum but i believe Arriva didn't have enough drivers so NX now run trips.
Thandi appear to run a shuttle to Amazon too.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122377951@N02/16044456522/
I'm actually REALLY chuffed with how this turned out... ;) :)
What's going on with the bendibuses? Why is there always so few out when there's more than enough of them to cover. Take Monday for example, 4 out of 8 diagrams were bendis and even the extra peak ones were doubles......
Quote from: X94 on December 24, 2014, 10:52:04 AM
What's going on with the bendibuses? Why is there always so few out when there's more than enough of them to cover. Take Monday for example, 4 out of 8 diagrams were bendis and even the extra peak ones were doubles......
No school services this week, so more deckers available
Quote from: Kevin on December 24, 2014, 06:47:08 PM
Quote from: X94 on December 24, 2014, 10:52:04 AM
What's going on with the bendibuses? Why is there always so few out when there's more than enough of them to cover. Take Monday for example, 4 out of 8 diagrams were bendis and even the extra peak ones were doubles......
No school services this week, so more deckers available
There still seems a few off the road, dumped at the back of the garage where they have been for a while. The peak extras will be double decks anyway (it does a 33 and 28E Dyas-Short Heath before going onto the 67)
6028; 6029; 6030; 6031 have been performing reliably for the last couple of weeks, 6025 is the only other one to venture out for a day, but I suspect none will be out now until 2nd January
Quote from: Tony on December 24, 2014, 07:19:55 PM
6028; 6029; 6030; 6031 have been performing reliably for the last couple of weeks, 6025 is the only other one to venture out for a day, but I suspect none will be out now until 2nd January
Thanks for the info but is this the norm now anyway for a lot of them not to be used? And if so, why?
Quote from: X94 on December 25, 2014, 12:44:06 AM
Quote from: Tony on December 24, 2014, 07:19:55 PM
6028; 6029; 6030; 6031 have been performing reliably for the last couple of weeks, 6025 is the only other one to venture out for a day, but I suspect none will be out now until 2nd January
Thanks for the info but is this the norm now anyway for a lot of them not to be used? And if so, why?
They are not usually used on Saturday allocations, as there are enough spare deckers to cover the 67
Quote from: John on December 25, 2014, 08:36:09 AM
Quote from: X94 on December 25, 2014, 12:44:06 AM
Quote from: Tony on December 24, 2014, 07:19:55 PM
6028; 6029; 6030; 6031 have been performing reliably for the last couple of weeks, 6025 is the only other one to venture out for a day, but I suspect none will be out now until 2nd January
Thanks for the info but is this the norm now anyway for a lot of them not to be used? And if so, why?
They are not usually used on Saturday allocations, as there are enough spare deckers to cover the 67
Thanx and sorry to be a little persistent on this one but my point is they have 11 of them for sole use on the 67 so why are they not using them to their full potential???
They are not the most reliable of vehicles. Another reason for less of them at the weekends, Sundays in particular is that drivers who haven't been trained on them can't drive them, so double deckers have to be used.
6030 was on the 67 this afternoon.
4931 has gained the front grille off a 48** Enviro400. It still has the AD badge, in the old shade of red, and it does not seen to sit properly. Stands out by a mile
4851 seems to have been off the road for a few days parked nose in, in the same place by the engineering bays, so it might be 4851's grille
Noticed the ticket branding Enviros have '£6 Evening 5' branding now, as opposed to £5. I've checked the NX site, and I can confirm, the price has gone up by a pound. Surely it would make sense to keep the £5 for 5 people, or have 6 people for £6? - I'm just going along the lines of consistency, but then again, it means each person would/could pay their share of £1.20...
Quote from: clayderman on January 04, 2015, 02:57:21 PM
Noticed the ticket branding Enviros have '£6 Evening 5' branding now, as opposed to £5. I've checked the NX site, and I can confirm, the price has gone up by a pound. Surely it would make sense to keep the £5 for 5 people, or have 6 people for £6? - I'm just going along the lines of consistency, but then again, it means each person would/could pay their share of £1.20...
No, the evening 5 was £7, so in fact it has gone down by £1
see https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/15888416487/
Quote from: John on January 04, 2015, 06:20:08 PM
Quote from: clayderman on January 04, 2015, 02:57:21 PM
Noticed the ticket branding Enviros have '£6 Evening 5' branding now, as opposed to £5. I've checked the NX site, and I can confirm, the price has gone up by a pound. Surely it would make sense to keep the £5 for 5 people, or have 6 people for £6? - I'm just going along the lines of consistency, but then again, it means each person would/could pay their share of £1.20...
No, the evening 5 was £7, so in fact it has gone down by £1
see https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/15888416487/
Whoops, my bad! Something in my head thought it was £5... :-\ :P
Quote from: John on January 03, 2015, 09:48:03 PM
4931 has gained the front grille off a 48** Enviro400. It still has the AD badge, in the old shade of red, and it does not seen to sit properly. Stands out by a mile
4851 seems to have been off the road for a few days parked nose in, in the same place by the engineering bays, so it might be 4851's grille
SCRAP IT!!!! I HATE 4851!!! ;)
Why
Quote from: Michael Bevan on January 05, 2015, 08:58:07 AM
Quote from: John on January 03, 2015, 09:48:03 PM
4931 has gained the front grille off a 48** Enviro400. It still has the AD badge, in the old shade of red, and it does not seen to sit properly. Stands out by a mile
4851 seems to have been off the road for a few days parked nose in, in the same place by the engineering bays, so it might be 4851's grille
SCRAP IT!!!! I HATE 4851!!! ;)
I agree! ;D
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on January 05, 2015, 10:45:16 AM
Quote from: Michael Bevan on January 05, 2015, 08:58:07 AM
Quote from: John on January 03, 2015, 09:48:03 PM
4931 has gained the front grille off a 48** Enviro400. It still has the AD badge, in the old shade of red, and it does not seen to sit properly. Stands out by a mile
4851 seems to have been off the road for a few days parked nose in, in the same place by the engineering bays, so it might be 4851's grille
SCRAP IT!!!! I HATE 4851!!! ;)
I agree! ;D
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on January 05, 2015, 09:10:09 AM
Why
Because it stalks me!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does anyone know how many buses are put on the 7 Mon - Fri?
4844 broke down on Wednesday. Radio and monitor failure. Apparently it had repairs done to the heater on Monday. Also there's talk of PB28 being branded.
Quote from: Matt on January 08, 2015, 06:56:18 PM
Looks like at least two 47** Enviros have been sighted in Perry Barr turf this week with 4732 reported on the 115/914 and 4729 potentially on the 16.
What are they doing at PB? Are they covering the Enviro's that are going for their MOT?
No Perry Barr seem short on buses
Quote from: Michael Bevan on January 09, 2015, 08:54:21 AM
Also there's talk of PB28 being branded.
Nice to hear. For me, the 28 is more of a neglected service - one I see many times, but never use. Would be nice to see some 'recognition' - I wonder what colour it'd be.
First guesses on (Light) Green or Blue
4283, 4278, 4256, 4302, 4259, 4239, 4261 and 6029 on the 67 [off peak] today. I waited for 6029 for my journey back, thinking it may be 8 deckers and no bendies next time I go that way. 6029 was running well, with a few rattles from the area of the join.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 09, 2015, 07:43:25 PM
4283, 4278, 4256, 4302, 4259, 4239, 4261 and 6029 on the 67 [off peak] today. I waited for 6029 for my journey back, thinking it may be 8 deckers and no bendies next time I go that way. 6029 was running well, with a few rattles from the area of the join.
Make the most of the Bendis while you can
John what do u mean by make the most of the bendis?
Quote from: John on January 11, 2015, 07:47:45 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 09, 2015, 07:43:25 PM
4283, 4278, 4256, 4302, 4259, 4239, 4261 and 6029 on the 67 [off peak] today. I waited for 6029 for my journey back, thinking it may be 8 deckers and no bendies next time I go that way. 6029 was running well, with a few rattles from the area of the join.
Make the most of the Bendis while you can
Now you see why I was asking questions. Why have a dedicated fleet of buses for a route and not use them? If they're that bad, why don't NX just get rid......
Quote from: X94 on January 11, 2015, 10:42:13 PM
Quote from: John on January 11, 2015, 07:47:45 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 09, 2015, 07:43:25 PM
4283, 4278, 4256, 4302, 4259, 4239, 4261 and 6029 on the 67 [off peak] today. I waited for 6029 for my journey back, thinking it may be 8 deckers and no bendies next time I go that way. 6029 was running well, with a few rattles from the area of the join.
Make the most of the Bendis while you can
Now you see why I was asking questions. Why have a dedicated fleet of buses for a route and not use them? If they're that bad, why don't NX just get rid......
Could they be getting painted blue and heading to Coventry!?
Why send a relative small specialist fleet to Coventry - Coventry don't have any Scanias at the minute and would not fit the idea of keeping standardising on the fleets at garages. Eg. YW has all Scanias for single deckers and then ADL E400s and Tridents for double decks (+ Presidents).
Quote from: X94 on January 11, 2015, 10:42:13 PM
Quote from: John on January 11, 2015, 07:47:45 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 09, 2015, 07:43:25 PM
4283, 4278, 4256, 4302, 4259, 4239, 4261 and 6029 on the 67 [off peak] today. I waited for 6029 for my journey back, thinking it may be 8 deckers and no bendies next time I go that way. 6029 was running well, with a few rattles from the area of the join.
Make the most of the Bendis while you can
Now you see why I was asking questions. Why have a dedicated fleet of buses for a route and not use them? If they're that bad, why don't NX just get rid......
Judging by their appearances, I think they will soon. lol! :P
Quote from: Liberator9 on January 12, 2015, 06:17:24 AM
Why send a relative small specialist fleet to Coventry - Coventry don't have any Scanias at the minute and would not fit the idea of keeping standardising on the fleets at garages. Eg. YW has all Scanias for single deckers and then ADL E400s and Tridents for double decks (+ Presidents).
Because there is nowhere else for them to go and there is such a thing called type training you know :-P
Well in that case NX will probably try and transfer them to their airport operations - it's not just the type training either. Depots need the parts and maintenance trained on maintaining the fleet types - Coventry currently don't have any Scanias and have never had any of the Articulated versions. Coventry wouldn't have the parts at the minute or the necessary training, and the cost of doing this when the company is trying to standardise the fleets at certain garages, means the Scania Artics are very unlikely to go to CV.
4829 on the 907s today (out all night too)
I think I saw 4524 on the 94
Quote from: John on January 13, 2015, 08:24:36 PM
4829 on the 907s today (out all night too)
I think I saw 4524 on the 94
Stuart said he saw 4828 on the 907 today.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on January 13, 2015, 08:31:32 PM
Quote from: John on January 13, 2015, 08:24:36 PM
4829 on the 907s today (out all night too)
I think I saw 4524 on the 94
Stuart said he saw 4828 on the 907 today.
4828 has been on the 246 all day today
6030 and 6031 on the 67 today. I counted 7 deckers on the route as well. I thought there were 8 vehicles off peak, presumably I was mistaken.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 14, 2015, 07:45:17 PM
6030 and 6031 on the 67 today. I counted 7 deckers on the route as well. I thought there were 8 vehicles off peak, presumably I was mistaken.
There is 1 extra bus now each on the 65, 67 and 115/914, with the work at Salford Circus
Quote from: John on January 14, 2015, 07:48:47 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 14, 2015, 07:45:17 PM
6030 and 6031 on the 67 today. I counted 7 deckers on the route as well. I thought there were 8 vehicles off peak, presumably I was mistaken.
There is 1 extra bus now each on the 65, 67 and 115/914, with the work at Salford Circus
And 6029 did a morning & afternoon peak board. Those three seem to be out every week day, never breaking down, just PB don't seem to be able to get any others out apart from 6028 occasionally
Many thanks Tony, I was quite confused as I had checked quite carefully.
Quote from: Tony on January 14, 2015, 07:52:05 PM
Quote from: John on January 14, 2015, 07:48:47 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 14, 2015, 07:45:17 PM
6030 and 6031 on the 67 today. I counted 7 deckers on the route as well. I thought there were 8 vehicles off peak, presumably I was mistaken.
There is 1 extra bus now each on the 65, 67 and 115/914, with the work at Salford Circus
And 6029 did a morning & afternoon peak board. Those three seem to be out every week day, never breaking down, just PB don't seem to be able to get any others out apart from 6028 occasionally
have PB given up trying to get them into service now Tony, surely here has to be a time when PB say enough is enough?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 14, 2015, 08:19:44 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 14, 2015, 07:52:05 PM
Quote from: John on January 14, 2015, 07:48:47 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 14, 2015, 07:45:17 PM
6030 and 6031 on the 67 today. I counted 7 deckers on the route as well. I thought there were 8 vehicles off peak, presumably I was mistaken.
There is 1 extra bus now each on the 65, 67 and 115/914, with the work at Salford Circus
And 6029 did a morning & afternoon peak board. Those three seem to be out every week day, never breaking down, just PB don't seem to be able to get any others out apart from 6028 occasionally
have PB given up trying to get them into service now Tony, surely here has to be a time when PB say enough is enough?
They can be made to work, as 6029-31 are proving at the moment
Next stop pensnett top yard
4856 has got an advertisement above the door
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on January 15, 2015, 05:53:19 PM
4856 has got an advertisement above the door
A lot of our buses now have them, as of this week
How many of the Scannia bendi's still work and could be used for everyday usage ou on routes?
It says a couple of posts above yours.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on January 15, 2015, 10:09:38 PM
How many of the Scannia bendi's still work and could be used for everyday usage ou on routes?
i think they could all be made to work, but they tend to breakdown quicker than they can be repaired. Problem is PB have more buses to look after apart from the Bendi's!
Does anyone know what route 4829 is on today?
Spotted a Omnicity DD around 930am yesterday passing our place on the BC Spine Road.
Would it have been on a private hire?
Oh No, there are two Enviro 400s on the 94 today (4855/6) far too modern for that route!
Quote from: Matt on January 19, 2015, 10:31:44 AM
Is 4828 in use yet?
On the 65 today if anyone wants to find it, which I suppose qualifies as an unusual working!
OmniCity DD on Sutton Line mates tonight, saw it in Scutton town at 2140 heading for Roughley
Quote from: Tony on January 19, 2015, 10:36:44 AM
Quote from: Matt on January 19, 2015, 10:31:44 AM
Is 4828 in use yet?
On the 65 today if anyone wants to find it, which I suppose qualifies as an unusual working!
Quote from: Ashley on January 19, 2015, 11:57:53 PM
OmniCity DD on Sutton Line mates tonight, saw it in Scutton town at 2140 heading for Roughley
4777 I think that was
4829 on the 16
Quote from: Matt on January 20, 2015, 06:03:26 PM
Quote from: clayderman on January 20, 2015, 06:01:43 PM
4829 on the 16
When did you see it, clayderman?
I saw this on Snow Hill Queensway around 4:15 - my bus was right next to it.
Quote from: Ashley on January 19, 2015, 11:57:53 PM
OmniCity DD on Sutton Line mates tonight, saw it in Scutton town at 2140 heading for Roughley
And 4778 on the 904/ 905 last night!
Yayy!!!
Can i ask what is replacing the lost of deckers at pensnett
Quote from: Jon on January 21, 2015, 10:54:25 AM
Can i ask what is replacing the lost of deckers at pensnett
823 & 4190 have replaced 4828/9
Quote from: Winston on January 21, 2015, 11:18:19 AM
Quote from: Jon on January 21, 2015, 10:54:25 AM
Can i ask what is replacing the lost of deckers at pensnett
823 & 4190 have replaced 4828/9
thank winston is there plan's for the other to go?
Quote from: Jon on January 21, 2015, 11:32:33 AM
Quote from: Winston on January 21, 2015, 11:18:19 AM
Quote from: Jon on January 21, 2015, 10:54:25 AM
Can i ask what is replacing the lost of deckers at pensnett
823 & 4190 have replaced 4828/9
thank winston is there plan's for the other to go?
Not sure, anything is possible. But it nothing can happen until any of this years deliveries start to arrive / cascades take place etc
Yesterday evening about half 6 if saw one of the newest E400s (couldn't tell whether it was Sutton branded or not, only caught a glimpse of the black stripe) coming round the Inner Circle from Hockley and towards Newtown. Anyone hazard a guess why? My original thought was perhaps returning somehow to garage but then it would have turned the other way up to six ways not down Wheeler st / Clifford st
According to sources at NXWM, Perry Barr will be getting 11 Pensnett Trident E400's. 4828/29 included. The bendi's will be withdrawn. Also I saw 4904 on a school bus yesterday at Perry Common Terminus. Has it been transfered to PB?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on January 21, 2015, 10:28:19 PM
According to sources at NXWM, Perry Barr will be getting 11 Pensnett Trident E400's. 4828/29 included. The bendi's will be withdrawn. Also I saw 4904 on a school bus yesterday at Perry Common Terminus. Has it been transfered to PB?
Your sources are incorrect. You will have to wait and see what is correct
Surely they wouldn't withdraw buses that are 10 years old!?
Quote from: lauren1993 on January 21, 2015, 11:58:56 PM
Surely they wouldn't withdraw buses that are 10 years old!?
NXWM wouldn't be the first company to do so, added to the fact that the current Enviro range wont see ten years old, we've got more chance of having B6LE's getting DDA mods lol. I do find it fascinating that there's a great deal of hype for essentially plastic crap...
Quote from: lauren1993 on January 21, 2015, 11:58:56 PM
Surely they wouldn't withdraw buses that are 10 years old!?
I'm told they are being replaced due to their unreliability. They keep having problems and NXWM have got sick of them. I also received a text from a fellow enthusiast stating some B10L's have been recently moved from Lea Hall to Miller Street.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on January 22, 2015, 02:05:00 AM
Quote from: lauren1993 on January 21, 2015, 11:58:56 PM
Surely they wouldn't withdraw buses that are 10 years old!?
I'm told they are being replaced due to their unreliability. They keep having problems and NXWM have got sick of them. I also received a text from a fellow enthusiast stating some B10L's have been recently moved from Lea Hall to Miller Street.
Sure you didn't just read it here?
Does anyone know what route's 4828 & 4829 are on today?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on January 21, 2015, 10:28:19 PM
According to sources at NXWM, Perry Barr will be getting 11 Pensnett Trident E400's. 4828/29 included. The bendi's will be withdrawn. Also I saw 4904 on a school bus yesterday at Perry Common Terminus. Has it been transfered to PB?
4904 was one of the many short term BC to PB loans of late, it's back on the 24 this morning.
Quote from: Mike K on January 22, 2015, 08:30:54 AM
Quote from: Michael Bevan on January 21, 2015, 10:28:19 PM
According to sources at NXWM, Perry Barr will be getting 11 Pensnett Trident E400's. 4828/29 included. The bendi's will be withdrawn. Also I saw 4904 on a school bus yesterday at Perry Common Terminus. Has it been transfered to PB?
4904 was one of the many short term BC to PB loans of late, it's back on the 24 this morning.
4904 was nowhere near Perry Common terminus yesterday as it was on the 957 all day
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on January 22, 2015, 07:56:28 AM
Does anyone know what route's 4828 & 4829 are on today?
Pretty sure i saw 4828 on the 94 this morning. Went through Castle Bromwich around 8.45, going towards Chelmsley Wood.
Quote from: MK on January 22, 2015, 09:21:37 AM
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on January 22, 2015, 07:56:28 AM
Does anyone know what route's 4828 & 4829 are on today?
Pretty sure i saw 4828 on the 94 this morning. Went through Castle Bromwich around 8.45, going towards Chelmsley Wood.
and 4829 is on the 952
Quote from: Tony on January 22, 2015, 09:20:43 AM
Quote from: Mike K on January 22, 2015, 08:30:54 AM
Quote from: Michael Bevan on January 21, 2015, 10:28:19 PM
According to sources at NXWM, Perry Barr will be getting 11 Pensnett Trident E400's. 4828/29 included. The bendi's will be withdrawn. Also I saw 4904 on a school bus yesterday at Perry Common Terminus. Has it been transfered to PB?
4904 was one of the many short term BC to PB loans of late, it's back on the 24 this morning.
4904 was nowhere near Perry Common terminus yesterday as it was on the 957 all day
It was. On the 89*.
4844 broke down at Pheasey earlier. Wouldn't start.
Quote from: Kevin on January 21, 2015, 09:57:48 PM
Yesterday evening about half 6 if saw one of the newest E400s (couldn't tell whether it was Sutton branded or not, only caught a glimpse of the black stripe) coming round the Inner Circle from Hockley and towards Newtown. Anyone hazard a guess why? My original thought was perhaps returning somehow to garage but then it would have turned the other way up to six ways not down Wheeler st / Clifford st
Suppose I've had my own question answered last night, saw it again coming across the A34 at the Bartons Arms yesterday, with CG private hire on the front. Now I'm truly confused cause that never used to go anywhere near Hockley
What bendi's are out on the 67 today?
What routes are 4828 & 4829 on today
Quote from: Michael Bevan on January 23, 2015, 08:02:18 AM
What bendi's are out on the 67 today?
Saw 6031 head past star city NIS towards castle vale. Beyond that all is saw was deckers on me way to work
4828 on the 952
4829 on the 94
6031 only bendi out today
Only one bendi out today really does seem like it's curtains for them
Quote from: 2900 on January 23, 2015, 11:19:14 AM
Only one bendi out today really does seem like it's curtains for them
What has made these buses so unreliable?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 23, 2015, 01:27:54 PM
Quote from: 2900 on January 23, 2015, 11:19:14 AM
Only one bendi out today really does seem like it's curtains for them
What has made these buses so unreliable?
Especially given reports OmniLinks operated by NXWM are really reliable and OmniCity rigid buses elsewhere are reported as being reliable? Are the bendies particularly different?
Well I'm going to bash it. On my way now.
Quote from: Matt on January 23, 2015, 05:18:35 PM
Are bendis used on saturdays? Might try my luck tomorrow
@Matt Don't think they do operate on Saturdays!
Are any enviro 400's or scania DD's on the 7 or 65 tomorrow/Saturday?
I was asking so if anyone knows they can tell me
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on January 23, 2015, 06:04:58 PM
I was asking so if anyone knows they can tell me
Ask the question tomorrow then.....
Nobody will know yet as we are still on Friday! It depends what the allocator allocates tonight.
Usually no bendi's on Saturday, and with most of the Christmas period they hadn't been used for like two weeks, last time I caught one to work was well before that as well.
Quote from: Kevin on January 23, 2015, 06:44:27 PM
Usually no bendi's on Saturday, and with most of the Christmas period they hadn't been used for like two weeks, last time I caught one to work was well before that as well.
I know that on the 29th Dec, there were two Bendis, 6028 & 6030 but i only know that as i was headed to Castle Vale for the Central Buses Routemaster
6029, 6030 and 6031 were out today. Also looks like 4722 is at PB. Was on the 16 earlier.
Any enviro 400 's or scania DD's on the 7 or 65 today?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on January 24, 2015, 09:30:28 AM
Any enviro 400 's or scania DD's on the 7 or 65 today?
Not yet
What do you mean by not yet?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on January 24, 2015, 09:45:19 AM
What do you mean by not yet?
There are none on there at present. There may or may not be an example or examples on those routes later.
Posted on my Facebook page last night, by a -In garage source- who I believe is a PB driver:
(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10944880_10155315169015413_5240602055634712156_n.jpg?oh=9b82669a7afbc3a108899f60e8b87bb5&oe=555ECA76)
Looks like the bendies are being withdrawn, and it is claimed they will be put 'into storage', rather than transferred elsewhere.
Interesting, but I'm not sure you should have named the driver.
The fox 4846 should be awarded a certificate of muppetery for recent posts
Quote from: 2900 on January 24, 2015, 12:39:30 PM
The fox 4846 should be awarded a certificate of muppetery for recent posts
Yes 2900 but in the same respect he is only 11
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on January 24, 2015, 12:28:34 PM
Interesting, but I'm not sure you should have named the driver.
He posted the picture publicly on my Facebook page using his own name, so I don't see the problem here, it's not like he discussed it in confidence with me.
Quote from: Stu on January 24, 2015, 12:41:46 PM
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on January 24, 2015, 12:28:34 PM
Interesting, but I'm not sure you should have named the driver.
He posted the picture publicly on my Facebook page using his own name, so I don't see the problem here, it's not like he discussed it in confidence with me.
That is a mistake by him, and by mentioning his name on here you have broadcast it to even more people.
The notices that appear in the garages are there for the employees, not to be broadcast over social media sites for anyone to see, including competing companys who may take an interest to any changes the comany are making.
I wonder what view
@Tony or
@Liverpool Street think about this?
I'm not having a go at you personally.
I wasn't aware young kids are posting on here
My apologises to the fox for my earlier post
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on January 24, 2015, 12:49:12 PM
Quote from: Stu on January 24, 2015, 12:41:46 PM
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on January 24, 2015, 12:28:34 PM
Interesting, but I'm not sure you should have named the driver.
He posted the picture publicly on my Facebook page using his own name, so I don't see the problem here, it's not like he discussed it in confidence with me.
That is a mistake by him, and by mentioning his name on here you have broadcast it to even more people.
The notices that appear in the garages are there for the employees, not to be broadcast over social media sites for anyone to see, including competing companys who may take an interest to any changes the comany are making.
I wonder what view @Tony or @Liverpool Street think about this?
I'm not having a go at you personally.
Post(s) modified to protect identity of employee(s)
Fair enough, I can remove his picture from my Facebook page if requested to do so.
Been seeing a lot of ALXs as opposed to Geminis on the 907 recently.
There was only one Bendie on the 67 yesterday, 6030. Other vehicles were 4256, 4300, 4492, 4282, 4246, 4923, 4829 and 4486.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 28, 2015, 07:33:12 PM
There was only one Bendie on the 67 yesterday, 6030. Other vehicles were 4256, 4300, 4492, 4282, 4246, 4923, 4829 and 4486.
6029 was out on a morning peak boards as well.
6029 & 6031 were both out all day today
Quote from: Matt on January 28, 2015, 07:38:12 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 28, 2015, 07:36:56 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 28, 2015, 07:33:12 PM
There was only one Bendie on the 67 yesterday, 6030. Other vehicles were 4256, 4300, 4492, 4282, 4246, 4923, 4829 and 4486.
6029 was out on a morning peak boards as well.
6029 & 6031 were both out all day today
Am I correct in assuming there is virtually no chance of a Bendi being used on the 67 on a Saturday?
Depends on vehicle availablility, one does sneek out some Saturdays
Shame, I'd love to have one last ride on one before they go, just for old times sake! But would have to be a Saturday though, as I'm working during the week.
Tony, can you confirm what my 'source' revealed, that some of the bendies have already been withdrawn from service (even if unofficially)?
Quote from: Stu on January 28, 2015, 07:46:18 PM
Shame, I'd love to have one last ride on one before they go, just for old times sake! But would have to be a Saturday though, as I'm working during the week.
Tony, can you confirm what my 'source' revealed, that some of the bendies have already been withdrawn from service (even if unofficially)?
Just from vehicle watching I would be surprised if any other than 6029-31 appeared in service as none of the others have even moved recently
Are they withdrawn before the new buses come in then?
4805 has been parked in garage for the last 2 days. Looks like it is here for work to be carried out, but it has gained a Coventry blue front grille. Looks quite funny actually
Quote from: John on January 30, 2015, 08:40:36 AM
4805 has been parked in garage for the last 2 days. Looks like it is here for work to be carried out, but it has gained a Coventry blue front grille. Looks quite funny actually
@John - did you take a picture?
Also, in related news, 4828 is on one of it's allocated services, the 101...
Quote from: clayderman on January 30, 2015, 05:16:38 PM
Quote from: John on January 30, 2015, 08:40:36 AM
4805 has been parked in garage for the last 2 days. Looks like it is here for work to be carried out, but it has gained a Coventry blue front grille. Looks quite funny actually
@John - did you take a picture?
Also, in related news, 4828 is on one of it's allocated services, the 101...
No unfortunately I wasn't able to, it is in one of the engineering bays, and I was in a rush. I don't know if it is here just for work to be carried out, or one of the ones we are expecting soon
Quote from: John on January 30, 2015, 05:52:22 PM
Quote from: clayderman on January 30, 2015, 05:16:38 PM
Quote from: John on January 30, 2015, 08:40:36 AM
4805 has been parked in garage for the last 2 days. Looks like it is here for work to be carried out, but it has gained a Coventry blue front grille. Looks quite funny actually
@John - did you take a picture?
Also, in related news, 4828 is on one of it's allocated services, the 101...
No unfortunately I wasn't able to, it is in one of the engineering bays, and I was in a rush. I don't know if it is here just for work to be carried out, or one of the ones we are expecting soon
rta repair it coming back to pn
Any bendys on 67 today?
6030 still out this morning around 0650.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on February 02, 2015, 05:26:07 PM
6030 still out this morning around 0650.
6029 has done both peaks and 6030 & 6031 have both been out all day.
6030 is due to operate the 23:30 journey from city tonight
Quote from: Tony on February 02, 2015, 05:34:33 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on February 02, 2015, 05:26:07 PM
6030 still out this morning around 0650.
6029 has done both peaks and 6030 & 6031 have both been out all day.
6030 is due to operate the 23:30 journey from city tonight
I may have chance to bend my way back to The Bagot one last time tonight then!
The 654 is to become the 54/A Hamstead to One Stop only, and the Aston - Perry Barr bit is to become the 68A/C and a circular by the looks of it
Quote from: John on February 02, 2015, 09:13:21 PM
The 654 is to become the 54/A Hamstead to One Stop only, and the Aston - Perry Barr bit is to become the 68A/C and a circular by the looks of it
Is that made up, confused.
Why would it be made up? ???
Makes sense - assume it is to try and improve reliability on the route. Will this 68A/C run up the Birchfield Road to and from Aston/Perry Barr to make it a circular?
I meant just seemed a bit random and what is the info source. Also I thought Circulars are not the done thing due to reliability , where else is the re born 68a/c going to go. Don't believe it to be honest. 94 will get new buses before that happens.
Not made up, notice in garage this evening. It seems to be from the 9th Feb
Interesting, i take it all back.
Might be a few other changes I notice the 71 is getting a new timetable. Not much publicity for something happening so close.
I wonder if the changes on the 654 are to do with reliability issues. Since the start of January the services i have seen in the evening peak are often running very late and in convoy. Splitting the service into two separate routes may eradicate this.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on February 02, 2015, 05:40:50 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 02, 2015, 05:34:33 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on February 02, 2015, 05:26:07 PM
6030 still out this morning around 0650.
6029 has done both peaks and 6030 & 6031 have both been out all day.
6030 is due to operate the 23:30 journey from city tonight
I may have chance to bend my way back to The Bagot one last time tonight then!
6023; 6024; 6025; 6026 & 6032 now all safely tucked away inside the old Lea Hall garage.
6030 having another long day doing the same running board as yesterday out until after Midnight
6029 also out all day
6031 on peak boards
Quote from: Tony on February 03, 2015, 12:41:33 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on February 02, 2015, 05:40:50 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 02, 2015, 05:34:33 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on February 02, 2015, 05:26:07 PM
6030 still out this morning around 0650.
6029 has done both peaks and 6030 & 6031 have both been out all day.
6030 is due to operate the 23:30 journey from city tonight
I may have chance to bend my way back to The Bagot one last time tonight then!
6023; 6024; 6025; 6026 & 6032 now all safely tucked away inside the old Lea Hall garage.
6030 having another long day doing the same running board as yesterday out until after Midnight
6029 also out all day
6031 on peak boards
Tony, do you know if the storing of these Scania artics is a temporary measure? And are they regarded as 'withdrawn' or 'reserve' ? It seems a bit drastic, mind you they have all completed 10 years service now.
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 03, 2015, 02:11:51 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 03, 2015, 12:41:33 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on February 02, 2015, 05:40:50 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 02, 2015, 05:34:33 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on February 02, 2015, 05:26:07 PM
6030 still out this morning around 0650.
6029 has done both peaks and 6030 & 6031 have both been out all day.
6030 is due to operate the 23:30 journey from city tonight
I may have chance to bend my way back to The Bagot one last time tonight then!
6023; 6024; 6025; 6026 & 6032 now all safely tucked away inside the old Lea Hall garage.
6030 having another long day doing the same running board as yesterday out until after Midnight
6029 also out all day
6031 on peak boards
Tony, do you know if the storing of these Scania artics is a temporary measure? And are they regarded as 'withdrawn' or 'reserve' ? It seems a bit drastic, mind you they have all completed 10 years service now.
They are in the reserve fleet
Quote from: Matt on February 03, 2015, 05:28:43 PM
Decided to make my move, I'm heading out to the city this evening to try and ride a bendi before they disappear.
I will aim for 6030. Looking at the timetable, it seems 6030 will do the 19.00 of city, is this correct?
19:07
It is still out and currently running on time so you should be able to catch it
Quote from: Matt on February 03, 2015, 06:14:09 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 03, 2015, 06:09:20 PM
Quote from: Matt on February 03, 2015, 05:28:43 PM
Decided to make my move, I'm heading out to the city this evening to try and ride a bendi before they disappear.
I will aim for 6030. Looking at the timetable, it seems 6030 will do the 19.00 of city, is this correct?
19:07
It is still out and currently running on time so you should be able to catch it
Thanks Tony. I'm on my way. Both the timetables on the NX website and NWM website have it down as 19.00 from city, although there is a 19.07 from Castle Vale
Yes, 19:07 from Castle Vale is 6030. 17:49 or 19:40 from City
Quote from: John on February 02, 2015, 09:33:27 PM
Not made up, notice in garage this evening. It seems to be from the 9th Feb
No notices advertising this in the public arena yet?? you sure its not March then?
Why are the some of the bendibuses now in the reserve fleet from perry Barr
Is any likely to be out on Saturday?
Quote from: Solo1 on February 04, 2015, 07:01:33 AM
Why are the some of the bendibuses now in the reserve fleet from perry Barr
Read back through this topic, it's pretty clear on the previous couple of pages.
Wonder what will happen to the S1TWM reg on 6022.
Quote from: Liberator9 on February 02, 2015, 09:22:05 PM
Why would it be made up? ???
Makes sense - assume it is to try and improve reliability on the route. Will this 68A/C run up the Birchfield Road to and from Aston/Perry Barr to make it a circular?
It is running up Witton Road to/from 6 Ways
@JohnThanks for clearing that up for me :)
Still nothing on vosa, centro or nxwm websites if this is meant to happen next week.
Quote from: John on February 04, 2015, 08:11:19 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on February 02, 2015, 09:22:05 PM
Why would it be made up? ???
Makes sense - assume it is to try and improve reliability on the route. Will this 68A/C run up the Birchfield Road to and from Aston/Perry Barr to make it a circular?
It is running up Witton Road to/from 6 Ways
www.nxbus.co.uk/routes/west-midlands/BO54v/?timetable[day]=&tab=
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/services-654-654a-revised-routes-from-sunday-8th-february
A bendi crossed the Expressway on its usual Lichfield Road Aston diversion this morning as we festered in the gridlock underneath. Presumed it was 6030 putting another day in...
Anyone been on 4289 today? (Or has it even been out today?) I had it yesterday morning, on the 101 into town - one of the doors were notably slow, at one point the driver had to get out his cab to try and nudge it a bit to close...
Quote from: The Real 4778 on February 06, 2015, 01:43:07 PM
A bendi crossed the Expressway on its usual Lichfield Road Aston diversion this morning as we festered in the gridlock underneath. Presumed it was 6030 putting another day in...
There were at least two out during the day, caught 6030 into town and back in me lunch break ~ midday and another was heading out towards castle vale as I waited, didn't catch that fleetnumber
Anything other than alx400's and gemini's on the 7 & 65 today?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on February 08, 2015, 12:18:33 PM
Anything other than alx400's and gemini's on the 7 & 65 today?
482* on the 65 today
What time from where
63 plate enviro on 65 as well
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on February 08, 2015, 05:06:36 PM
63 plate enviro on 65 as well
I know it is too late now but the 3 buses on the 65 were 4515, 4828 and 4931, with the first 2 being the night buses
Whilst i was on the 11C earlier there was a 654 coming from perry barr, isn't today when the route was split?
I managed to get on 4829 on the 101 this morning. Great bus, for that service anyway. Notably quicker/smoother than the B7TL, however, the front of the bus' handrail positioning is certainly something the people, who are usually 'accustomed' to the B7s, will miss.
Quote from: clayderman on February 09, 2015, 06:36:08 PM
I managed to get on 4829 on the 101 this morning. Great bus, for that service anyway. Notably quicker/smoother than the B7TL, however, the front of the bus' handrail positioning is certainly something the people, who are usually 'accustomed' to the B7s, will miss.
I always feel the Enviros are missing a handrail/handle behind the ticket machine. When waiting to get off the bus (and correctly stood off the platform), it is only possible to hold onto a pole on the left, rather than to hold onto two poles either side of the aisle.
I can't really see any obvious reason why there isn't a pole/handle there?
Quote from: notepanel on February 09, 2015, 07:36:10 PM
Quote from: clayderman on February 09, 2015, 06:36:08 PM
I managed to get on 4829 on the 101 this morning. Great bus, for that service anyway. Notably quicker/smoother than the B7TL, however, the front of the bus' handrail positioning is certainly something the people, who are usually 'accustomed' to the B7s, will miss.
I always feel the Enviros are missing a handrail/handle behind the ticket machine. When waiting to get off the bus (and correctly stood off the platform), it is only possible to hold onto a pole on the left, rather than to hold onto two poles either side of the aisle.
I can't really see any obvious reason why there isn't a pole/handle there?
One of the many reasons I don't like the enviro 400 is lack of handrails.
I've noticed on 4830 onwards the single seat there is an extra bar something
The 47xx don't have.
There is also not a proper luggage rack.
Very poorley designed compared to earlier trident and Gemini.
Also outside the indicator lights are not as clear to Volvo products.
Quote from: lynx1103 on February 09, 2015, 09:30:18 PM
Quote from: notepanel on February 09, 2015, 07:36:10 PM
Quote from: clayderman on February 09, 2015, 06:36:08 PM
I managed to get on 4829 on the 101 this morning. Great bus, for that service anyway. Notably quicker/smoother than the B7TL, however, the front of the bus' handrail positioning is certainly something the people, who are usually 'accustomed' to the B7s, will miss.
I always feel the Enviros are missing a handrail/handle behind the ticket machine. When waiting to get off the bus (and correctly stood off the platform), it is only possible to hold onto a pole on the left, rather than to hold onto two poles either side of the aisle.
I can't really see any obvious reason why there isn't a pole/handle there?
One of the many reasons I don't like the enviro 400 is lack of handrails.
I've noticed on 4830 onwards the single seat there is an extra bar something
The 47xx don't have.
There is also not a proper luggage rack.
Very poorley designed compared to earlier trident and Gemini.
Also outside the indicator lights are not as clear to Volvo products.
Well, on the BU07 Enviro 400's there is a handrail behind the driver area, the ticket machine is by the disabled zone.
Does anyone know what the likelyhood of a bendy in the 67 will be this week?
6029 to work today so yeah pretty sure they'll last the week at least
Cheers
@Kevin. I just I can get one before they go!
4825 now here
6029 and one of its brethren were still bending this morning at 0740.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on February 09, 2015, 09:41:17 PM
Quote from: lynx1103 on February 09, 2015, 09:30:18 PM
Quote from: notepanel on February 09, 2015, 07:36:10 PM
Quote from: clayderman on February 09, 2015, 06:36:08 PM
I managed to get on 4829 on the 101 this morning. Great bus, for that service anyway. Notably quicker/smoother than the B7TL, however, the front of the bus' handrail positioning is certainly something the people, who are usually 'accustomed' to the B7s, will miss.
I always feel the Enviros are missing a handrail/handle behind the ticket machine. When waiting to get off the bus (and correctly stood off the platform), it is only possible to hold onto a pole on the left, rather than to hold onto two poles either side of the aisle.
I can't really see any obvious reason why there isn't a pole/handle there?
One of the many reasons I don't like the enviro 400 is lack of handrails.
I've noticed on 4830 onwards the single seat there is an extra bar something
The 47xx don't have.
There is also not a proper luggage rack.
Very poorley designed compared to earlier trident and Gemini.
Also outside the indicator lights are not as clear to Volvo products.
Well, on the BU07 Enviro 400's there is a handrail behind the driver area, the ticket machine is by the disabled zone.
@ronnoc1k8 Weirdly enough, I heard from someone that the only bus with the ticket machine, behind the two front seats, is 4718...
Quote from: Chris2301 on February 09, 2015, 06:28:48 PM
Whilst i was on the 11C earlier there was a 654 coming from perry barr, isn't today when the route was split?
Yes, thy are now split. Saw both a 54 and 68C today, and a Diamond Solo on the 54A on Sunday. But 763 (I think) still had 654 on, so it's blinds can't have been updated (must be the one you saw)
Bus Stop flags in One Stop are also still saying 654/A
Quote from: John on February 10, 2015, 09:22:25 PM
Quote from: Chris2301 on February 09, 2015, 06:28:48 PM
Whilst i was on the 11C earlier there was a 654 coming from perry barr, isn't today when the route was split?
Yes, thy are now split. Saw both a 54 and 68C today, and a Diamond Solo on the 54A on Sunday. But 763 (I think) still had 654 on, so it's blinds can't have been updated (must be the one you saw)
Bus Stop flags in One Stop are also still saying 654/A
That explains it thank you :). First time i been to Perry Barr
4240 involved in an incident at Priory Queensway. 2 Ambulances in attendance. Must have happened in the last 45 minutes as it wasn't there when I passed Priory at 1720
6029 was bending around Tony Hancock square on the 2100 earlier. Couldn't board it as I had a Magners appointment to keep.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on February 12, 2015, 09:29:35 PM
6029 was bending around Tony Hancock square on the 2100 earlier. Couldn't board it as I had a Magners appointment to keep.
All 3 were out in the evening peak, saw them all Castle Vale bound between half 5 and 6
Quote from: Kevin on February 12, 2015, 10:15:27 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on February 12, 2015, 09:29:35 PM
6029 was bending around Tony Hancock square on the 2100 earlier. Couldn't board it as I had a Magners appointment to keep.
All 3 were out in the evening peak, saw them all Castle Vale bound between half 5 and 6
One was out all night too. Followed it back into garage
Not sure if I was seeing things, but has 4809 transferred? I think I saw it today, though, it could've been 4829.
Quote from: clayderman on February 13, 2015, 06:03:31 PM
Not sure if I was seeing things, but has 4809 transferred? I think I saw it today, though, it could've been 4829.
4809 is on the 9 today.
4826 was on the 94 earlier today, but taken out of service in the city centre and replaced with 4855
What routes are the omnicities usually on?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 15, 2015, 03:58:09 PM
What routes are the omnicities usually on?
Recently, they seem to have been quite spread out, but from past experience, I find them most often on the 907.
4697 and 4781 (at least) are on the 907 this afternoon.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on February 15, 2015, 05:06:26 PM
4697 and 4781 (at least) are on the 907 this afternoon.
Swear I saw 4777 as well
Saw an 09 plate on the 94 this morning.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 15, 2015, 08:17:48 PM
Saw an 09 plate on the 94 this morning.
@monkeyjoe Think this was 4826 as mentioned in numerous other threads
Quote from: Rhys S on February 15, 2015, 08:19:04 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 15, 2015, 08:17:48 PM
Saw an 09 plate on the 94 this morning.
@monkeyjoe Think this was 4826 as mentioned in numerous other threads
Yes it was 4826. It was taken off about 3pm, replaced by 4855 so still an unusual working
For those who are interested, 4829 also has the green Twycross Zoo mega rear
Any bendys out today?
Quote from: clayderman on February 17, 2015, 12:09:40 PM
Any bendys out today?
6031 out all day
6029/30 both did morning peak boards, so will probably be out again this afternoon
Quote from: Tony on February 17, 2015, 12:20:08 PM
Quote from: clayderman on February 17, 2015, 12:09:40 PM
Any bendys out today?
6031 out all day
6029/30 both did morning peak boards, so will probably be out again this afternoon
Thanks, I'll keep an eye out for it.
Ex PN 4829 has the tycross zoo advert on the back now
And 4826 I. Think was on the 16 I might be wrong though
6030 is out on 67 today
On 0925 Birmingham-Castle Vale
4525 has had a lower repaint (The white part of the livery has anyway)
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on February 18, 2015, 09:32:48 AM
6030 is out on 67 today
On 0925 Birmingham-Castle Vale
Timings? Couldn't make it out yesterday... :(
*Preferably next from City Centre, if not too much trouble.
Quote from: clayderman on February 18, 2015, 11:04:27 AM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on February 18, 2015, 09:32:48 AM
6030 is out on 67 today
On 0925 Birmingham-Castle Vale
Timings? Couldn't make it out yesterday... :(
*Preferably next from City Centre, if not too much trouble.
This was only time I saw it and saw it again between 10-1030
6031 out of service with hazard lights flashing a short distance from the site of Tyburn Road Works, to City direction, at 0815.
Does anybody know which vehicle type is normally used on the 68A/C?
I'm only asking as I haven't been to Perry Barr since it started. Thank You in advance :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on February 22, 2015, 09:39:38 PM
Does anybody know which vehicle type is normally used on the 68A/C?
I'm only asking as I haven't been to Perry Barr since it started. Thank You in advance :)
E200's at a guess, as the 68 is a result of the 654 being split
I did see a 68A returning to PB last night at about 8 and it was an E200.
Quote from: Winston on February 22, 2015, 09:47:03 PM
Quote from: Rob2832 on February 22, 2015, 09:39:38 PM
Does anybody know which vehicle type is normally used on the 68A/C?
I'm only asking as I haven't been to Perry Barr since it started. Thank You in advance :)
E200's at a guess, as the 68 is a result of the 654 being split
Correct. One, all day, round and round.
Quote from: Winston on February 22, 2015, 09:47:03 PM
Quote from: Rob2832 on February 22, 2015, 09:39:38 PM
Does anybody know which vehicle type is normally used on the 68A/C?
I'm only asking as I haven't been to Perry Barr since it started. Thank You in advance :)
E200's at a guess, as the 68 is a result of the 654 being split
Quote from: trident4370 on February 22, 2015, 09:53:09 PM
I did see a 68A returning to PB last night at about 8 and it was an E200.
Thank You Guys :)
Looking at the 54 timetable, the last service now leaves one stop to hamstead at 17.30. Prior to 9th February the 654a ran up until 19.35. Are the later journeys that used to run to valley road now covered by another operator or does the service now cease to run two hours earlier than what it did previously?
Quote from: 37351ml on February 23, 2015, 11:15:21 PM
Looking at the 54 timetable, the last service now leaves one stop to hamstead at 17.30. Prior to 9th February the 654a ran up until 19.35. Are the later journeys that used to run to valley road now covered by another operator or does the service now cease to run two hours earlier than what it did previously?
NX 54A does run, for some reason it ain't on the network wm site. Runs up to half 7 still
Driver of the 68C went the wrong way round the circle this morning
6030 on the 67 this afternoon together with 8 deckers, including 4781.
Does this mean 67 has lost it's "status" now after Centro's plans for this corridor 10+ years ago.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 27, 2015, 10:58:52 PM
Does this mean 67 has lost it's "status" now after Centro's plans for this corridor 10+ years ago.
Been on the cards for a while, face it.
Although wouldn't be surprised if they upgrade it with new buses soon though
will 6022 , 6023 , 6024 , 6027 , 6028 , 6029 , 6030 , 6031 , 6032 still be used for PB garage?
I will be annoyed if that route gets upgraded before the precious 94 lol
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 28, 2015, 06:56:55 AM
I will be annoyed if that route gets upgraded before the precious 94 lol
It probably will, after all, no-one cares about the 94 ;)
Quote from: Sh4318 on February 28, 2015, 09:47:05 AM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 28, 2015, 06:56:55 AM
I will be annoyed if that route gets upgraded before the precious 94 lol
It probably will, after all, no-one cares about the 94 ;)
The 94 currently is mostly operated by the best buses in the fleet (Geminis) doesn't need an upgrade until they start getting tired! (personal opinion). And yes growing up in Castle Bromwich the 94 was 'my' route into town for many years so I do have a soft spot for it.
Quote from: Tony on February 28, 2015, 09:51:42 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on February 28, 2015, 09:47:05 AM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 28, 2015, 06:56:55 AM
I will be annoyed if that route gets upgraded before the precious 94 lol
It probably will, after all, no-one cares about the 94 ;)
The 94 currently is mostly operated by the best buses in the fleet (Geminis) doesn't need an upgrade until they start getting tired! (personal opinion). And yes growing up in Castle Bromwich the 94 was 'my' route into town for many years so I do have a soft spot for it.
Fair point, the new buses I don't actually like after going on one recently, however when the competition is up staging NXWM and priorities are else where, that's where my moaning comes from.
Quote from: Tony on February 28, 2015, 09:51:42 AM
Quote from: Sh4318 on February 28, 2015, 09:47:05 AM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 28, 2015, 06:56:55 AM
I will be annoyed if that route gets upgraded before the precious 94 lol
It probably will, after all, no-one cares about the 94 ;)
The 94 currently is mostly operated by the best buses in the fleet (Geminis) doesn't need an upgrade until they start getting tired! (personal opinion). And yes growing up in Castle Bromwich the 94 was 'my' route into town for many years so I do have a soft spot for it.
It was a little joke towards monkeyjoe. I agree, the Geminis are by far the best buses in the fleet. I don't see the need for the 94 to be upgrade at this moment in time
If its going to get stuck with those should at least , dare I say it branding. Otherwise all my moans are valid, (well they are anyway).
The resident 'moaner' on my WMBU Facebook page had this to say earlier in February:
QuoteThe buses which NXWM are using on the 94 route are absolutely awful. Did they get them from the museum?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 01, 2015, 01:08:06 PM
If its going to get stuck with those should at least , dare I say it branding. Otherwise all my moans are valid, (well they are anyway).
Could the Geminis be on the move when the 48**s arrive. Not really, you don't even use the route. It's like me complaining about Presidents on the 89 (over exaggeration a bit)
4826 out on the 914 this morning. Not a "noteworthy" type, but perhaps unusual - I can't recall seeing one of the ex-PE batch on the 115/914 before ....
LOL - :) Edit to add I've just travelled on 4827 on the 115 ....
6031 in Walmley this afternoon on the Fairfax / John Willmott schools contact service. I assume it runs to Castle Vale and then onto the 67 for the evening peak?
Quote from: Ossie on March 03, 2015, 04:50:25 PM
6031 in Walmley this afternoon on the Fairfax / John Willmott schools contact service. I assume it runs to Castle Vale and then onto the 67 for the evening peak?
All 3 out on the 67 this evening, first time for a bit, 6031 hadn't been out for a week before tonight
Quote from: Ossie on March 02, 2015, 10:59:02 AM
4826 out on the 914 this morning. Not a "noteworthy" type, but perhaps unusual - I can't recall seeing one of the ex-PE batch on the 115/914 before ....
LOL - :) Edit to add I've just travelled on 4827 on the 115 ....
I think there was 2 on the 907 today (definitely 1), with 1 on the 16
If anyone wants a ride on a Scania Bendi today is a good day to go looking, all 3 6029; 6030 & 6031 should be out all day until 18:00
Quote from: John on March 03, 2015, 09:15:50 PM
Quote from: Ossie on March 02, 2015, 10:59:02 AM
4826 out on the 914 this morning. Not a "noteworthy" type, but perhaps unusual - I can't recall seeing one of the ex-PE batch on the 115/914 before ....
LOL - :) Edit to add I've just travelled on 4827 on the 115 ....
I think there was 2 on the 907 today (definitely 1), with 1 on the 16
4827s turn to be on the 115/914s today
From next Monday, all 28s will be serving Scott Arms, so no daytime 28Es to Dyas Road
with all the bendi's that run on the 67 now withdrawn could these route go platinuim
Quote from: wembley86 on March 05, 2015, 07:53:44 PM
with all the bendi's that run on the 67 now withdrawn could these route go platinuim
They are not all now withdrawn see my message a few up from yesterday!
Quote from: John on March 05, 2015, 07:51:31 PM
From next Monday, all 28s will be serving Scott Arms, so no daytime 28Es to Dyas Road
Long overdue in my opinion, I'm glad they are finally doing this!
Quote from: John on March 05, 2015, 07:51:31 PM
From next Monday, all 28s will be serving Scott Arms, so no daytime 28Es to Dyas Road
!!!!!!
FINALLY! Thank fuck for that
Evenings and Sundays as well?
Quote from: Kevin on March 05, 2015, 08:39:17 PM
Quote from: John on March 05, 2015, 07:51:31 PM
From next Monday, all 28s will be serving Scott Arms, so no daytime 28Es to Dyas Road
!!!!!!
FINALLY! Thank fuck for that
Evenings and Sundays as well?
I'm not sure about evenings and Sundays (wouldn't think so though), just saw a few M-F running boards that were not late night buses
Quote from: Kevin on March 05, 2015, 08:39:17 PM
Quote from: John on March 05, 2015, 07:51:31 PM
From next Monday, all 28s will be serving Scott Arms, so no daytime 28Es to Dyas Road
!!!!!!
FINALLY! Thank fuck for that
Evenings and Sundays as well?
I realise I may be old fashioned,but can we not attempt to moderate language when posting on this forum.
I find myself quite offended by this and if a poster cannot express himself more lucidly perhaps he shouldn't post at all.
You see worse than that on television ;D
Quote from: trident4370 on March 06, 2015, 01:25:43 PM
You see worse than that on television ;D
Maybe,but it doesn't make it acceptable.
However,I have received a private message from Kevin and the whole matter is now closed,except to say I now have far more respect for Kevin than before.
Is the 28 is getting plastered or oops branded soon then?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 06, 2015, 03:39:18 PM
Is the 28 is getting plastered or oops branded soon then?
Surely someone mentioned that, would make sense
Gah! Just seen the new 28 timetable on the NX site, and yeah it is only daytime.
Le sigh.
And there was me hoping that route would actually start being useful in the evening. Ah well
Any bendis on the 67 today?
Quote from: Chris2301 on March 09, 2015, 12:21:20 PM
Any bendis on the 67 today?
6030 & 6031 out all day
6029 did a morning peak board so will probably appear again this afternoon
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2015, 12:26:02 PM
Quote from: Chris2301 on March 09, 2015, 12:21:20 PM
Any bendis on the 67 today?
6030 & 6031 out all day
6029 did a morning peak board so will probably appear again this afternoon
Thank you :)
Have PB received any more PE Enviros yet?
6030 just gone up and down the 9 route as far as Quinton (not in service), now on Colmore Row again
Quote from: Tony on March 11, 2015, 12:52:58 PM
6030 just gone up and down the 9 route as far as Quinton (not in service), now on Colmore Row again
It is having an identity crisis & thinks it's a 'Sprint'
Quote from: Winston on March 11, 2015, 12:54:50 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 11, 2015, 12:52:58 PM
6030 just gone up and down the 9 route as far as Quinton (not in service), now on Colmore Row again
It is having an identity crisis & thinks it's a 'Sprint'
Maybe being tested to scope out suitability of using bendi-buses for this Sprint route?
4824 on the 33 today
Quote from: Tony on March 12, 2015, 07:40:55 AM
4824 on the 33 today
Do you know the Times from City please
@Tony?
Where 4825
And when did 4823/4 transfer ?
Quote from: Rhys S on March 12, 2015, 08:03:37 AM
Where 4825
And when did 4823/4 transfer ?
Must have been overnight after they finished in service at Pensnett yesterday
Didn't think buses went late at night
4825?
Quote from: Tony on March 12, 2015, 07:40:55 AM
4824 on the 33 today
Although I saw it on Aldridge Road this morning destinated 33 Pheasey it now appears to be on the 16
E40D 4852 has borrowed a part from a Trident Enviro 400.
Quote from: Matt on March 12, 2015, 07:24:29 PM
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 12, 2015, 07:22:41 PM
E40D 4852 has borrowed a part from a Trident Enviro 400.
What part?
Under the front, right headlight.Posted it on my Instagram until I can get to a computer to upload the proper version. It's MichaelBev2000 if you want to look.
I have a question
on the 54 route between Friary Road and Hamstead Road (by Hamstead Hall School) is there a specific place you have to stand to get on the bus or is it a hail and ride section and the bus driver is supposed to stop wherever is safe?
Quote from: OH25 on March 12, 2015, 11:46:47 PM
I have a question
on the 54 route between Friary Road and Hamstead Road (by Hamstead Hall School) is there a specific place you have to stand to get on the bus or is it a hail and ride section and the bus driver is supposed to stop wherever is safe?
There are no bus stops there, just hail and ride, as with most of the route
Quote from: OH25 on March 12, 2015, 11:46:47 PM
I have a question
on the 54 route between Friary Road and Hamstead Road (by Hamstead Hall School) is there a specific place you have to stand to get on the bus or is it a hail and ride section and the bus driver is supposed to stop wherever is safe?
There is certain people who use the route regularly along underwood road, that one usually stops by the postbox at the end
Are there any Bendies on the 67 today? It could be their last day with the arrivals from PE>
Quote from: Eric Shaw on March 13, 2015, 08:36:25 AM
Are there any Bendies on the 67 today? It could be their last day with the arrivals from PE>
All three are out until approx 7pm with 6030 on a late night as well
Just been told 4938 has broken down near Warren Farm on the 33 due to gearbox problems.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 13, 2015, 03:30:48 PM
Just been told 4938 has broken down near Warren Farm on the 33 due to gearbox problems.
Its back out in service this evening
Thanks Tony for the info on the Bendies. I managed to travel on 6029 and 6030 this afternoon. Both were running well.
Quote from: John on March 13, 2015, 07:30:49 PM
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 13, 2015, 03:30:48 PM
Just been told 4938 has broken down near Warren Farm on the 33 due to gearbox problems.
Its back out in service this evening
It went back out even with a broken gearbox? By the may while onboard we (me and the driver who I know) found a 'Do Not Move' sign tucked behind the driver seat. Reason stating: 'Gearbox Problems'.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on March 13, 2015, 08:36:25 AM
Are there any Bendies on the 67 today? It could be their last day with the arrivals from PE>
Nope, still going today, 6029 seen at Salford Circus inbound 13:03
4813 and 4822 on the 16 this morning.
Looks as if 4927 is on fire in Erdington
Upper deck reputedly destroyed.
Vehicle at Cross Keys junction.
Oh dear - write off?
Is everyone okay? Passengers and driver?
Sutton News website is carrying the story.
No reports of injuries, thankfully.
Pretty bad blaze in the pictures. Rear upstairs destroyed. At least.
Quote from: RR378 on March 17, 2015, 05:25:33 PM
Looks as if 4927 is on fire in Erdington
Might go to get some photo's. Any idea when this happened and how long till it moves?
Possibly the wrong phrase, but there are some very good pictures on the Perry Barr Fire twitter account...
https://twitter.com/perrybarrfire
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 17, 2015, 05:43:08 PM
Sutton News website is carrying the story.
No reports of injuries, thankfully.
Pretty bad blaze in the pictures. Rear upstairs destroyed. At least.
Looking at the pictures, it appears to show the fire started at the rear of the upper deck and therefore potentially arson
Quote from: Winston on March 17, 2015, 05:50:15 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 17, 2015, 05:43:08 PM
Sutton News website is carrying the story.
No reports of injuries, thankfully.
Pretty bad blaze in the pictures. Rear upstairs destroyed. At least.
Looking at the pictures, it appears to show the fire started at the rear of the upper deck and therefore potentially arson
Agreed:
http://www.suttoncoldfieldobserver.co.uk/destroys-bus-Erdington-causing-delays-commuters/story-26188810-detail/story.html
Looks a nasty fire - certainly could be arson.
Anyone know if it's still there?
In other news, 4828 is on the 7.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 17, 2015, 05:57:35 PM
Anyone know if it's still there?
No idea. I'm on a 476 at Euston!
Would 4927 have to be replaced or will the 48** Enviros replace it ?
Quote from: Rhys S on March 17, 2015, 07:38:53 PM
Would 4927 have to be replaced or will the 48** Enviros replace it ?
Well I saw 482* in Erdington as I was photographing 4927. Have a look on my Twitter at the photographs of 4927 since it won't let me post them on here @MichaelBev2000
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 17, 2015, 07:41:15 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 17, 2015, 07:38:53 PM
Would 4927 have to be replaced or will the 48** Enviros replace it ?
Well I saw 482* in Erdington as I was photographing 4927. Have a look on my Twitter at the photographs of 4927 since it won't let me post them on here @MichaelBev2000
Seen them mate looks quite extensive damage though
Quote from: Rhys S on March 17, 2015, 07:45:18 PM
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 17, 2015, 07:41:15 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 17, 2015, 07:38:53 PM
Would 4927 have to be replaced or will the 48** Enviros replace it ?
Well I saw 482* in Erdington as I was photographing 4927. Have a look on my Twitter at the photographs of 4927 since it won't let me post them on here @MichaelBev2000
Seen them mate looks quite extensive damage though
It looks really bad :(
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Quote from: Rhys S on March 17, 2015, 07:45:18 PM
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 17, 2015, 07:41:15 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 17, 2015, 07:38:53 PM
Would 4927 have to be replaced or will the 48** Enviros replace it ?
Well I saw 482* in Erdington as I was photographing 4927. Have a look on my Twitter at the photographs of 4927 since it won't let me post them on here @MichaelBev2000
Seen them mate looks quite extensive damage though
It looks really bad :(
Its probably kept at PB for a while then withdrawn then Miller street and then that will be the First E400 withdrawn and to Miller Street
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Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 17, 2015, 07:48:54 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 17, 2015, 07:45:18 PM
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 17, 2015, 07:41:15 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 17, 2015, 07:38:53 PM
Would 4927 have to be replaced or will the 48** Enviros replace it ?
Well I saw 482* in Erdington as I was photographing 4927. Have a look on my Twitter at the photographs of 4927 since it won't let me post them on here @MichaelBev2000
Seen them mate looks quite extensive damage though
It looks really bad :(
Its probably kept at PB for a while then withdrawn then Miller street and then that will be the First E400 withdrawn and to Miller Street
Might go and see it off if I get any information.
Probaly No info for a while til they decide what to do with it
Alternatively, we could wait and see what the loss adjusters have to say, and whether she's worth repairing in insurance terms. As a relatively new bus there's plenty of residual value in the asset and if the seat (literally in this case) is above the floor, and the downstairs and engine bay/ electrical systems are undamaged, then who knows. Smoke and water damage could be superficial, so it depends how much of the top deck has gone and if it's weakened what's left beyond repair.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 17, 2015, 07:58:17 PM
Alternatively, we could wait and see what the loss adjusters have to say, and whether she's worth repairing in insurance terms. As a relatively new bus there's plenty of residual value in the asset and if the seat (literally in this case) is above the floor, and the downstairs and engine bay/ electrical systems are undamaged, then who knows. Smoke and water damage could be superficial, so it depends how much of the top deck has gone and if it's weakened what's left beyond repair.
Have a look at the photo's on Twitter from the Fire Service.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 17, 2015, 08:02:56 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 17, 2015, 07:58:17 PM
Alternatively, we could wait and see what the loss adjusters have to say, and whether she's worth repairing in insurance terms. As a relatively new bus there's plenty of residual value in the asset and if the seat (literally in this case) is above the floor, and the downstairs and engine bay/ electrical systems are undamaged, then who knows. Smoke and water damage could be superficial, so it depends how much of the top deck has gone and if it's weakened what's left beyond repair.
Have a look at the photo's on Twitter from the Fire Service.
And? Loss adjusters will work out the cost of repair, and if the book value of the bus is more than the repair then it is not a write off.
The cost of the chassis is a considerable amount of the value of a bus, so even if it needed a brand new body (which is probably doubtful, but I will leave that for the experts to decide) it will still not get withdrawn
Over the years I,ve seen plenty of fire damaged upper decks rebuilt most have been older than 4927, probably be sent to Carlyle to be repaired, once you strip back the damaged fittings it's probably ok, that's been my experience with repairing cars.
Quote from: 2900 on March 17, 2015, 08:28:00 PM
Over the years I,ve seen plenty of fire damaged upper decks rebuilt most have been older than 4927, probably be sent to Carlyle to be repaired, once you strip back the damaged fittings it's probably ok, that's been my experience with repairing cars.
Yep, 4502 was put back on the road....
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 17, 2015, 08:02:56 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 17, 2015, 07:58:17 PM
Alternatively, we could wait and see what the loss adjusters have to say, and whether she's worth repairing in insurance terms. As a relatively new bus there's plenty of residual value in the asset and if the seat (literally in this case) is above the floor, and the downstairs and engine bay/ electrical systems are undamaged, then who knows. Smoke and water damage could be superficial, so it depends how much of the top deck has gone and if it's weakened what's left beyond repair.
Have a look at the photo's on Twitter from the Fire Service.
I had. That's what my comment was based on.
For those who think 4927 is likely to be scrapped, have a look at the bottom photo on this page of a 5 year old bus that was repaired
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4134.html
Somehow I think that was worse than 4927 which is only two years old
Quote from: Rhys S on March 17, 2015, 07:50:36 PM
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 17, 2015, 07:48:54 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 17, 2015, 07:45:18 PM
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 17, 2015, 07:41:15 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 17, 2015, 07:38:53 PM
Would 4927 have to be replaced or will the 48** Enviros replace it ?
Well I saw 482* in Erdington as I was photographing 4927. Have a look on my Twitter at the photographs of 4927 since it won't let me post them on here @MichaelBev2000
Seen them mate looks quite extensive damage though
It looks really bad :(
Its probably kept at PB for a while then withdrawn then Miller street and then that will be the First E400 withdrawn and to Miller Street
Woahhh talk about jumping the gun, the damage is fairly bad but seems to be confined to the upstairs and I would say almost certainly will not be written off. There was a wb president a few years ago which was repaired (don't remember which one) but that looked badly damaged abd was over 10 years old.
Quote from: Tony on March 17, 2015, 08:52:25 PM
For those who think 4927 is likely to be scrapped, have a look at the bottom photo on this page of a 5 year old bus that was repaired
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4134.html
Somehow I think that was worse than 4927 which is only two years old
Does look worse Tony. Yeah I think they'll repair it then.
Look the fire brigade are getting good and quicker at putting the fires out so more of the bus is saved
I think it is likely to get repaired, I wonder how long it would take Carlyle to repair this bus, that's if they receive this bus to repair it.
These fires have got me thinking the new enviro 400 mmc has had all its electrical systems placed upstairs in the barrier above the stairs, if a fire takes hold upstairs it could wipe out these critical systems which are extremely costly. With All previous designs the electrical systems have been downstairs behind the driver. May be they are fire protected I wonder.
Interesting! You'd expect ADL to have carried out a risk assessment for sure. Anyway, 4927 should be a going concern by the summer, all being well.
Quote from: 2900 on March 17, 2015, 09:22:19 PM
These fires have got me thinking the new enviro 400 mmc has had all its electrical systems placed upstairs in the barrier above the stairs, if a fire takes hold upstairs it could wipe out these critical systems which are extremely costly. With All previous designs the electrical systems have been downstairs behind the driver. May be they are fire protected I wonder.
If the electrical systems are upstairs I'd guess that a fire on the top deck would cause major damage even leading to a scrap if there has been an electrical area destroyed.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on March 17, 2015, 09:39:15 PM
Quote from: 2900 on March 17, 2015, 09:22:19 PM
These fires have got me thinking the new enviro 400 mmc has had all its electrical systems placed upstairs in the barrier above the stairs, if a fire takes hold upstairs it could wipe out these critical systems which are extremely costly. With All previous designs the electrical systems have been downstairs behind the driver. May be they are fire protected I wonder.
If the electrical systems are upstairs I'd guess that a fire on the top deck would cause major damage even leading to a scrap if there has been an electrical area destroyed.
Looks like 4927 was 'fortunate' in that regard then.
Top of the stairs should by rights be about as far as it's possible to get from ignition sources.
Quite a few ex-Pensnett Enviro400s on the Suttons today (at least one on each 902, 907 and 914 boards), plus one on the 67, and it must have been 4828 on the 7 tonight, on board 7/10 that starts out of garage in the afternoon for a School Service
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 17, 2015, 05:55:29 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 17, 2015, 05:50:15 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 17, 2015, 05:43:08 PM
Sutton News website is carrying the story.
No reports of injuries, thankfully.
Pretty bad blaze in the pictures. Rear upstairs destroyed. At least.
Looking at the pictures, it appears to show the fire started at the rear of the upper deck and therefore potentially arson
Agreed:
http://www.suttoncoldfieldobserver.co.uk/destroys-bus-Erdington-causing-delays-commuters/story-26188810-detail/story.html
It is arson and the company have good CCTV of the culprit. I won't say any more than that so comment, but don't bother asking questions
Quote from: Tony on March 18, 2015, 08:41:24 AM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 17, 2015, 05:55:29 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 17, 2015, 05:50:15 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 17, 2015, 05:43:08 PM
Sutton News website is carrying the story.
No reports of injuries, thankfully.
Pretty bad blaze in the pictures. Rear upstairs destroyed. At least.
Looking at the pictures, it appears to show the fire started at the rear of the upper deck and therefore potentially arson
Agreed:
http://www.suttoncoldfieldobserver.co.uk/destroys-bus-Erdington-causing-delays-commuters/story-26188810-detail/story.html
It is arson and the company have good CCTV of the culprit. I won't say any more than that so comment, but don't bother asking questions
As I suspected, the hottest part of the fire was clearly above the back seat hence the roof missing there..... lets hope NX do the same to this culprit as 4341 attackers
Quote from: Winston on March 18, 2015, 08:44:32 AM
Quote from: Tony on March 18, 2015, 08:41:24 AM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 17, 2015, 05:55:29 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 17, 2015, 05:50:15 PM
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 17, 2015, 05:43:08 PM
Sutton News website is carrying the story.
No reports of injuries, thankfully.
Pretty bad blaze in the pictures. Rear upstairs destroyed. At least.
Looking at the pictures, it appears to show the fire started at the rear of the upper deck and therefore potentially arson
Agreed:
http://www.suttoncoldfieldobserver.co.uk/destroys-bus-Erdington-causing-delays-commuters/story-26188810-detail/story.html
It is arson and the company have good CCTV of the culprit. I won't say any more than that so comment, but don't bother asking questions
As I suspected, the hottest part of the fire was clearly above the back seat hence the roof missing there..... lets hope NX do the same to this culprit as 4341 attackers
I've been told they have found the culprit by a source of mine.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/East_London_bus_18500/19000_%22Spirit_of_London%22_%28LX55_HGC%29
Spirit of London was rebuilt after a similar fire...
Which Omnicity is being seen to by engineers?
6029 was withdrawn after the morning peak yesterday
6030 was withdrawn after the morning peak today
6031 is expected to be out tomorrow, but that will be the last day of bendibuses in Bimringham
Quote from: Tony on March 19, 2015, 03:59:02 PM
6029 was withdrawn after the morning peak yesterday
6030 was withdrawn after the morning peak today
6031 is expected to be out tomorrow, but that will be the last day of bendibuses in Bimringham
These buses won't be re-engineered/repaired or whatever? Guess they are young enough to be sold on to other operators?
Quote from: Tony on March 19, 2015, 03:59:02 PM
6029 was withdrawn after the morning peak yesterday
6030 was withdrawn after the morning peak today
6031 is expected to be out tomorrow, but that will be the last day of bendibuses in Birmingham
God, I will miss them. I always did find it strange, yet, oddly entertaining sitting at the back half of the bus. Such a shame these buses will have little chance of preservation... Will have to hunt other 'rare' buses, before they go also.
Never been on an NXwm bendis, were they good to ride? However I have been on a Nxc bendis bus which was nice. Are they similar?
I am sorry to see the Scania Bendies go despite all their problems. I have had my pensioners pass now for some years and while I travel on the top deck when there is one many people my age like the Bendies with 32 seats being reached without a step. Why go to the expense of a low step entry if you have to climb a step inside, whilst the bus is moving? The worst buses for this are the new Routemasters where many of the seats on the lower deck are either up steps or face backwards. This design is a victory of vanity over sanity.
Sorry if this post is in the wrong section.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on March 19, 2015, 07:42:43 PM
I am sorry to see the Scania Bendies go despite all their problems. I have had my pensioners pass now for some years and while I travel on the top deck when there is one many people my age like the Bendies with 32 seats being reached without a step. Why go to the expense of a low step entry if you have to climb a step inside, whilst the bus is moving? The worst buses for this are the new Routemasters where many of the seats on the lower deck are either up steps or face backwards. This design is a victory of vanity over sanity.
Sorry if this post is in the wrong section.
Not gonna lie, I actually agree with you.
I think it's a shame too many people blocked the use of bendi's, they've always proven their worth at filling and emptying quicker than normal buses, and I'm not sure but as you can get more people stood on them along the length then the capacity is surely more than a decker?
Personal opinion but I'd say they're perfect buses for shorter stop start routes, perhaps not for longer routes so maybe the 67 was a bit too far out
Quote from: Tony on March 19, 2015, 03:59:02 PM
6029 was withdrawn after the morning peak yesterday
6030 was withdrawn after the morning peak today
6031 is expected to be out tomorrow, but that will be the last day of bendibuses in Bimringham
Its very sad that they couldn't be more reliable, obviously Perry Barr did there upmost to keep everything going, but in the end only 3 were left. You can only spend so much time repairing something before it becomes uneconomical!
Shame Scania couldn't have done anything to improve them, withdrawing buses after 10 years must seem in a way to be a failure.
6031 left at 7:15 from PB to do it's last revenue run. Also 4245 left with the 934 to Walsall displayed?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 20, 2015, 08:08:25 AM
6031 left at 7:15 from PB to do it's last revenue run. Also 4245 left with the 934 to Walsall displayed?
Our buses have Walsall routes 51, X51, 997, 934 in their hanovers, as well as all Central and Bordesley routes
So Brums experimentation with bendys soon to be history, I,m thinking brum is not suited to arctics it's just too limited, operating them must be nightmare, you can't beat double deckers to move the masses for starters it has a much smaller footprint other than low bridges there's not issues with most diversions etc.
6031 did a morning peak board and has now retired to garage
Mini E200 762 seen in town just now on the Cap Gemini shuttle.
Wonder what's replaced it on the 54 or 68A/C then
Quote from: Kevin on March 20, 2015, 12:43:55 PM
Mini E200 762 seen in town just now on the Cap Gemini shuttle.
Wonder what's replaced it on the 54 or 68A/C then
Nothing! It is not due to be on either service
Quote from: Tony on March 20, 2015, 12:51:13 PM
Nothing! It is not due to be on either service
Oh wait... My bad thought there was only 3 minis for a minute
I had a chance to grab a shot of 1 the last of the Scania artics and I missed it ! :'(
Quote from: BusFan on March 20, 2015, 01:57:06 PM
I had a chance to grab a shot of 1 the last of the Scania artics and I missed it ! :'(
Get thee out now, 6031 is back out, just (17:45) seen it Salford Circus outbound, might finish at the vale and head back to garage though
Quote from: Kevin on March 20, 2015, 05:45:46 PM
Get thee out now, 6031 is back out, just (17:45) seen it Salford Circus outbound, might finish at the vale and head back to garage though
NOOOO ! I'm home ridden today ! I usually grab shots when I'm out and about in town for uni but I've always wanted to get an articulated bus but I've had my luck
P.S What will Perry Barr be using if these go into reserve ?!
Quote from: BusFan on March 20, 2015, 07:32:45 PM
NOOOO ! I'm home ridden today ! I usually grab shots when I'm out and about in town for uni but I've always wanted to get an articulated bus but I've had my luck
P.S What will Perry Barr be using if these go into reserve ?!
Deckers, like they have been since the reliability issues began
Is this a sign of things to come 4803 on the 94 this morning.
Quote from: broma1k on March 23, 2015, 10:21:50 AM
Is this a sign of things to come 4803 on the 94 this morning.
Unlikely, as the ex Pensnett E400's are to upgrade the 16 & 101
Quote from: Winston on March 23, 2015, 10:25:39 AM
Unlikely, as the ex Pensnett E400's are to upgrade the 16 & 101
6031 has escaped again today, doing a morning peak board
4826 seen in Sutton Coldfield this a.m., pretty sure on a 115 / 914 working.
4812 was on the 907A this morning to Sutton Coldfield (got it to school). L.E.D board wasn't working.
Quote from: Tony on March 23, 2015, 10:46:20 AM
6031 has escaped again today, doing a morning peak board
That was its last morning. It has now gone, saw it driving down Aston Lane with its ticket machine removed. Off to Lea Hall drivers have been saying
Scanias on tour
4493 has a LED display ?! First 1 I seen on a Gemini
Quote from: BusFan on March 24, 2015, 02:46:40 PM
4493 has a LED display ?! First 1 I seen on a Gemini
It's been like that for a good while now.
Quote from: BusFan on March 24, 2015, 02:46:40 PM
4493 has a LED display ?! First 1 I seen on a Gemini
It has had it ages, along with 4635-86 & 4700-17
You learn something everyday, is this a trend or was its dot matrix displayi faulty
Does the fact that PB is losing the Artics mean they will have additional capacity in theory. Not that I can see that benefiting my local route, but thought I would ask as I procrastinate preparing a presentation lol.
Quote from: Tony on March 23, 2015, 08:03:06 PM
Scanias on tour
Im guessing that these are Tacho fitted and can go above 60mph ???
Wait, I thought a lot of buses had no speed limiter, except a President, Omnilinks and etc. Which buses do not have a speed limiter?
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on March 24, 2015, 09:52:06 PM
Wait, I thought a lot of buses had no speed limiter, except a President, Omnilinks and etc. Which buses do not have a speed limiter?
All buses have a speed limiter fitted, it is a legal requirement unless it is physically impossible for that vehicle to reach 62mph. Nearly all NXWM including the Omnicities are limited to 50mph
Quote from: Tony on March 24, 2015, 10:00:50 PM
All buses have a speed limiter fitted, it is a legal requirement unless it is physically impossible for that vehicle to reach 62mph. Nearly all NXWM including the Omnicities are limited to 50mph
A bus can't go faster than 50mph ?! I remember being in a car and in order to take over a bus to get off the main road (#97 trident) we had to go slightly faster and the bus kept pace up until the bus stop and we were traveling around 50mph.
Quote from: BusFan on March 24, 2015, 10:25:13 PM
A bus can't go faster than 50mph ?! I remember being in a car and in order to take over a bus to get off the main road (#97 trident) we had to go slightly faster and the bus kept pace up until the bus stop and we were traveling around 50mph.
50mph down the Meadway? Are you sure?
Quote from: Mike K on March 24, 2015, 11:14:30 PM
50mph down the Meadway? Are you sure?
It was in Bordesley Green east, myself and the driver were really surprised although I must admit I was impressed
Quote from: BusFan on March 24, 2015, 10:25:13 PM
A bus can't go faster than 50mph ?! I remember being in a car and in order to take over a bus to get off the main road (#97 trident) we had to go slightly faster and the bus kept pace up until the bus stop and we were traveling around 50mph.
Take over?
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 25, 2015, 05:09:17 PM
Take over?
My apologies for not being more literate but Matt has pretty much nailed it
As the 7 is commonly getting enviro's on is that route getting upgraded to Enviro 400's instead of the 101?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on March 31, 2015, 05:42:08 PM
As the 7 is commonly getting enviro's on is that route getting upgraded to Enviro 400's instead of the 101?
The 101 has had quite a lot of E400's recently
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on March 31, 2015, 05:42:08 PM
As the 7 is commonly getting enviro's on is that route getting upgraded to Enviro 400's instead of the 101?
E400's will be commonplace on the 7,16 and 101 from now on
Quote from: Nathan on March 31, 2015, 05:58:22 PM
E400's will be commonplace on the 7,16 and 101 from now on
Will the Geminis remain on the 94 then ?!
The 101 & 7 getting upgraded above the 94 takes the (*&*^%^%&(* ) ss, the 16 I get. Further illustrates central regions managements contempt for the Castle Brom corridor.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 31, 2015, 07:34:45 PM
The 101 & 7 getting upgraded above the 94 takes the (*&*^%^%&(* ) ss, the 16 I get. Further illustrates central regions managements contempt for the Castle Brom corridor.
The 94 gets the best buses in the fleet, you have no reason to complain.
Quote from: Nathan on March 31, 2015, 05:58:22 PM
E400's will be commonplace on the 7,16 and 101 from now on
Is 29 enough to cover the PVR of all 3 routes?
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 31, 2015, 08:07:45 PM
Is 29 enough to cover the PVR of all 3 routes?
I have seen a few 61 plates on the 16 recently, and some Ticket Branded Enviros...
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 31, 2015, 08:07:45 PM
Is 29 enough to cover the PVR of all 3 routes?
It will be around that number needed
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 31, 2015, 08:07:45 PM
The 94 gets the best buses in the fleet, you have no reason to complain.
Is 29 enough to cover the PVR of all 3 routes?
Are they getting 29? If so how can Pensnett manage with only 22 double deck replacements. Unless the 7 new Enviro 200s replace double deckers.......still doesn't cover 4135 moving though.
Quote from: don on March 31, 2015, 08:43:45 PM
Are they getting 29? If so how can Pensnett manage with only 22 double deck replacements. Unless the 7 new Enviro 200s replace double deckers.......still doesn't cover 4135 moving though.
Certainly seems that way when you consider the fleet numbers of the Enviros that have already transferred, time will tell though I suppose
I've seen every vehicle type in Perry Barr (Barr ( ;) ) the artics) on the 16.
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 31, 2015, 08:48:26 PM
Certainly seems that way when you consider the fleet numbers of the Enviros that have already transferred, time will tell though I suppose
Maybe staff changes have resulted in less OCD about blocks of numbers - as you say, time will tell. They do seem to be transferring out from Pensnett the same number of new buses coming in.
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 31, 2015, 08:07:45 PM
The 94 gets the best buses in the fleet, you have no reason to complain.
Is 29 enough to cover the PVR of all 3 routes?
My point is about attention and upgrades, that's my view and will not change.
Quote from: don on March 31, 2015, 08:54:03 PM
Maybe staff changes have resulted in less OCD about blocks of numbers - as you say, time will tell. They do seem to be transferring out from Pensnett the same number of new buses coming in.
I think that all 29 E400s will transfer over from PE and there will probably have to be a double move somewhere to displace a few Tridents for PE!
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 31, 2015, 10:31:10 PM
My point is about attention and upgrades, that's my view and will not change.
If you remember correctly, the 94 has been upgraded. The frequency has also been upped in recent times, I wouldn't say it hasn't received either of those in the past few years
Quote from: BusFan on March 31, 2015, 08:52:27 PM
I've seen every vehicle type in Perry Barr (Barr ( ;) ) the artics) on the 16.
Even SWB E200s?
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 01, 2015, 12:11:18 AM
If you remember correctly, the 94 has been upgraded. The frequency has also been upped in recent times, I wouldn't say it hasn't received either of those in the past few years
I can see his point, it had brand new tridents in 2003 and now still has 2003 buses
I didn't see any whilst in city earlier. Only routes I saw them on was the 16 and 101
Quote from: Matt on April 01, 2015, 07:09:03 PM
Are the ex PN Enviros being used on the 67?
Occasionally. Now the Artics are gone, the 67 seems to get anything left in the garage
Quote from: BU07 LGO on April 01, 2015, 10:41:42 AM
I can see his point, it had brand new tridents in 2003 and now still has 2003 buses
DAMN RIGHT lol, and no branded since then and certain less busy or as busy without competition just get treated and treated bla bla bla.
With reference to frequency that is ((*&^ was always a 10 mins + for years even 4mins with the 94E and single deck days.
In a way though it's good because it's helping claribels to thrive
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 01, 2015, 09:02:36 PM
DAMN RIGHT lol, and no branded since then and certain less busy or as busy without competition just get treated and treated bla bla bla
I could go into the upgrades and attention that's been received on some of routes in East Birmingham. But I won't bother.
Quote from: clayderman on April 01, 2015, 10:28:08 AM
Even SWB E200s?
I mainly see B7TL and Enviros on the 16, that's actually all I see
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 01, 2015, 09:02:36 PM
With reference to frequency that is ((*&^ was always a 10 mins + for years even 4mins with the 94E and single deck days.
That must have been a long time ago, because when Lea Hall closed, it was every 9.
I know this might sound stupid but can i ask... What is an upgraded route ?!
Quote from: BusFan on April 01, 2015, 09:10:54 PM
I know this might sound stupid but can i ask... What is an upgraded route ?!
When a route received a bus(es) that are newer and/or better than the previously used buses. For instance, replacing unrefurbished '51 ALX400/B7s for newly refurbished '03/'53 Geminis.
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 01, 2015, 09:13:19 PM
When a route received a bus(es) that are newer and/or better than the previously used buses. For instance, replacing unrefurbished '51 ALX400/B7s for newly refurbished '03/'53 Geminis.
Thanks but what are gold and platinum routes ?!
Depends what you consider an upgrade, seems to be very inconsistent with NXWM and applied to certain routes (that bit is consistent).
Quote from: BusFan on April 01, 2015, 09:21:04 PM
Thanks but what are gold and platinum routes ?!
Platinum routes are high spec wifi, better seating and new livery. They are coming onto x51, 934/5/6, 900, 957 and 997. Gold corridors are high frequency route i.e. no 9, no 50 etc
Quote from: Chris2301 on April 01, 2015, 09:27:06 PM
Platinum routes are high spec wifi, better seating and new livery. They are coming onto x51, 934/5/6, 900, 957 and 997. Gold corridors are high frequency route i.e. no 9, no 50 etc
Thanks ! I would surmise that the 97 route is also a gold corridor as well then.
For platinum routes, wouldn't that require new buses for the implementation of those technologies ?!
Quote from: BusFan on April 01, 2015, 09:39:50 PM
Thanks ! I would surmise that the 97 route is also a gold corridor as well then.
For platinum routes, wouldn't that require new buses for the implementation of those technologies ?!
New buses for the Platinum routes (in a new livery) are due later in the year!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 01, 2015, 09:43:35 PM
New buses for the Platinum routes (in a new livery) are due later in the year!
I take it your referring Enviro 400 MMC and if so, I had no idea that BC will be getting them !
For new livery, see third photo down.
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4723.html
Quote from: BusFan on April 01, 2015, 09:45:36 PM
I take it your referring Enviro 400 MMC and if so, I had no idea that BC will be getting them !
BC (900 and 957) and WA (x51, 934/5/6 and 977) are getting them two tone grey. PB operate 902/4/5 gold corridor, im not too sure what other gold corridors they operate as my local garage is PN
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 01, 2015, 09:51:12 PM
For new livery, see third photo down.
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4723.html
Wow ! That looks really good and it's a good contrast to the current livery, I look forward to potentially traveling on the bus in the near future !
Quote from: BusFan on April 01, 2015, 09:45:36 PM
I take it your referring Enviro 400 MMC and if so, I had no idea that BC will be getting them !
@BusFan Can you please use the forums 'search' facility or simply have a looking through the various categories before posting question after question, there is an entire thread dedicated to 'Platinum' (within NXWM), there is another thread for 'Gold Corridors' & another one for the new NX bus order, Winston
I would presume that the idea is to try out the Platinum buses on well established corridors, and that if successful, they may move to other routes which could well include the Perry Barr Sutton Line routes!
It's a waste of time, the ex 997 enviros have been wrecked. Leather seats should be downstairs only with the rear facing seats plastic like these so they don't get with by people using them as a footrest!
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/sw11simon/6642772291/
Quote from: Matt on April 02, 2015, 02:40:38 PM
What are the chances of an ex PN Enviro on a Sutton route?
4826/27 were on the 115/914 early March. Only a matter of time before there's one on the 902/4/5 ..... :)
Quote from: Matt on April 02, 2015, 02:40:38 PM
What are the chances of an ex PN Enviro on a Sutton route?
Quote from: Ossie on April 02, 2015, 09:55:14 PM
4826/27 were on the 115/914 early March. Only a matter of time before there's one on the 902/4/5 ..... :)
A couple have been on the 902s. There was one on the 907 today. I think it would just be pot luck if you get one on there or not (as in where buses are parked in garage the night before)
Quote from: Matt on April 02, 2015, 02:40:38 PM
Also what's usually on the 38?
Usually B7TL/OmniLink
Quote from: Matt on April 02, 2015, 10:00:17 PM
Well as it happens, 4804 was on the 914 today, but according to he-who-is-always-right it's not unusual.
If you don't like me, don't like this forum judging by your comments you are posting on facebook why are you on here?
There was an ex PE on the 33 this evening
But Enviros on the 33 and the Sutton routes are the norm. Whilst 'new' arrivals may be of interest to some, they are certainly not unusual workings.
Quote from: Gareth on April 02, 2015, 11:42:03 PM
But Enviros on the 33 and the Sutton routes are the norm. Whilst 'new' arrivals may be of interest to some, they are certainly not unusual workings.
Exactly Gareth, no-one records 4775 on the 51 as a noteworthy working, for some reason there is an obsession with these ex Pensnett ones!
It's called noteworthy workings not unusual so posted as its of interest to some people. That's why I only put it in the Pb thread
Treat the 94 & 97 with respect lol.
Don't exactly know of any night-contracts, but I saw 4777 "turned off" on Great Charles St Queensway (Newhall St Junction) - around 20:57... Anybody knows what it was doing there? No-one on board, bar the driver.
Quote from: clayderman on April 04, 2015, 02:30:04 AM
Don't exactly know of any night-contracts, but I saw 4777 "turned off" on Great Charles St Queensway (Newhall St Junction) - around 20:57... Anybody knows what it was doing there? No-one on board, bar the driver.
Driver was me, It was on a private hire
Quote from: Tony on April 04, 2015, 09:03:52 AM
Driver was me, It was on a private hire
Funny thing was, I did try to see if it was you! :D I found it too dark to see a thing, and the lights inside the 127 wasn't helping either...
Have national express started to do private hires again?
Quote from: Nxwm on April 04, 2015, 06:59:54 PM
Have national express started to do private hires again?
I think the fact I was doing one answers that!
Any enviro's on the 7 today?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on April 07, 2015, 08:11:37 AM
Any enviro's on the 7 today?
They are on there every day now (not every bus is an Enviro400 though). A 49** has come on this afternoon, and will be out all night
4829 is on the 33. Should be at Pheasey by now, with 4856 and a 49** on the 16
4825 on the 33 this afternoon
Quote from: John on April 09, 2015, 06:20:47 PM
4825 on the 33 this afternoon
And again this afternoon
I see.
Quote from: Kevin on April 10, 2015, 06:44:05 PM
There's an E400 on the 94
Just for you ;-)
Yes but for monkey joe to be happy it has to be a brand new 15 plated bus
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on April 07, 2015, 08:11:37 AM
Any enviro's on the 7 today?
4829 on 7s today and 4304 still hanging on.
4799 on 33
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 11, 2015, 09:57:24 AM
When did 4799 get transfered to PB?!?
7th April
Quote from: Tony on April 08, 2015, 09:40:10 AM
4799 transferred YW - PB last night, looks like it might just have come out as a change bus on the 94
Quote from: John on April 11, 2015, 10:01:53 AM
7th April
Well I'm surprised! Only photographed it 2 weeks ago on the 50!
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 11, 2015, 10:04:22 AM
Well I'm surprised! Only photographed it 2 weeks ago on the 50!
Lol, it's a bit like when somebody dies and somebody says "Have you heard Ethel has died today?" and the other person says
"No, I only saw her in Tesco on Thursday"
A lot can change in 2 weeks...
4516 on the number in the city center has this transferred or is it a loan bus?
Quote from: Nxwm on April 11, 2015, 04:02:29 PM
4516 on the number in the city center has this transferred or is it a loan bus?
Which Route? :)
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on April 11, 2015, 07:29:16 AM
4799 on 33
Allocated to the running board. It is out till 21.30 too
On the number 5
Quote from: Nxwm on April 12, 2015, 09:04:00 AM
On the number 5
More than likely a transfer, as 4515 has already transferred with us receiving E400s
4927 has gone to Plaxton at Anston (South Yorkshire) for repairs
Some advice. Been outside of PB every morning this week to trx and tick off some E400's. Would highly recommend people to go between 6:00-8:00 if you want to get lot's of buses.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 17, 2015, 07:56:55 AM
Some advice. Been outside of PB every morning this week to trx and tick off some E400's. Would highly recommend people to go between 6:00-8:00 if you want to get lot's of buses.
Is there a bus you can get there
Quote from: Rhys S on April 17, 2015, 07:58:42 AM
Is there a bus you can get there
Any bus that goes to Perry Barr....
Quote from: Rhys S on April 17, 2015, 07:58:42 AM
Is there a bus you can get there
33 56 934 935 936 907 997 to Greyhounds.
Anyone fancy doing PB early morning next week? Got a good location at the exit where most leave.
I've come across this photo of 4927 on Flickr, thought it might be of interest, although you can't see much. https://www.flickr.com/photos/96429052@N07/17237852745/in/photostream/
Where will the other envrio be found as the 54 68 only need 3 buses
Quote from: Solo1 on April 24, 2015, 08:01:10 AM
Where will the other envrio be found as the 54 68 only need 3 buses
Think either in garage or a contract service
Quote from: Solo1 on April 24, 2015, 08:01:10 AM
Where will the other envrio be found as the 54 68 only need 3 buses
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on April 24, 2015, 08:09:27 AM
Think either in garage or a contract service
In the garage or very occasionally on the Cap Gemini private hire
Quote from: John on April 24, 2015, 08:12:03 AM
In the garage or very occasionally on the Cap Gemini private hire
The 4th Enviro 200 does the Brittania (or whatever it is called nowadays) in Wythall every day
Trainer 9959 currently at the depot.
As I hit sent, it left.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 25, 2015, 01:22:07 PM
Trainer 9959 currently at the depot.
I am surprised that metrobuses are still part of the training fleet as the standard fleet were all withdrawn in 2010.
Is it just that its a double decker anyway.
If they needed a particular type of decker surely they wouldve transferred one of each type in the fleet to training fleet by now?
(Not counting driver familisation!)
I seen a 33 bus on the Priory Queensway about to join Moor Street Queensway and I believe I also saw other PB enviros doing the same and I also seen grid lock traffic around 11am which I found awfully surprising. I'm surmising a RTC must have happened and certain services have been diverted. Am I wrong
Quote from: BusFan on April 29, 2015, 10:13:19 PM
I seen a 33 bus on the Priory Queensway about to join Moor Street Queensway and I believe I also saw other PB enviros doing the same and I also seen grid lock traffic around 11am which I found awfully surprising. I'm surmising a RTC must have happened and certain services have been diverted. Am I wrong
Was the air ambulajce landing at the children's hospital as john mentioned jn another thread. It also happened yesterday and I had to go round snow hill on the 934.
Surely something could be done about this, i know the Air Ambulance has to land, but for it to cause chaos everytime it does isn't really fair on anybody.
I just found it surprising, was on my way to uni, nice seeing a branded enviro and then I was thinking "Whats it doing here" before noticing the traffic was gridlock.
I suppose an exception for air ambulance for a childrens hospital can be made and I reckon it may have been an emergency
Just heard North Birmingham Academy has been trying to get in contact with NXWM to arrange the 7 and 907A school buses to come onto to school site. Plus a possible return of the 28D.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 30, 2015, 03:55:13 PM
Just heard North Birmingham Academy has been trying to get in contact with NXWM to arrange the 7 and 907A school buses to come onto to school site. Plus a possible return of the 28D.
Guessing the D stands for destroyed with college high...
Who have u heard that off Micheal? Why did they stop the buses going into the school?
Quote from: Nxwm on April 30, 2015, 10:05:43 PM
Who have u heard that off Micheal? Why did they stop the buses going into the school?
I heard a teacher ask the driver about a senior person at NXWM and went on about the redeveloped site.
Having seen the redeveloped site it looks pretty tight to get 3 buses in
Quote from: Lukeee on April 30, 2015, 11:50:52 PM
Having seen the redeveloped site it looks pretty tight to get 3 buses in
Well there's now two ways into the school. Also the driver of the 907A said they'd perform a risk assessment before sending buses down. Did you hear what happened to the last buses to go down into the old site?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on May 01, 2015, 10:37:30 AM
Well there's now two ways into the school. Also the driver of the 907A said they'd perform a risk assessment before sending buses down. Did you hear what happened to the last buses to go down into the old site?
No what happened
Quote from: Lukeee on May 06, 2015, 12:20:41 AM
No what happened
My friend was driving the 907A. They went into the school site but what NXWM didn't get told is that we broke up the day before. Then they got stuck due to builders and someone had to come down to get them out.
Yesterday PB was short on buses. The school bus 7 was cancelled, 4756 was on loan from YW to PB and put on the 33 and two Enviro 400 Trident's (4803 and 4822) and a Gemini (4491) were on the Sutton routes usually operated by E40D's. Are they still short today?
Is there a school bus for the the 7's Micheal? Didn't know about that 1!
Quote from: Nxwm on May 06, 2015, 06:34:54 AM
Is there a school bus for the the 7's Micheal? Didn't know about that 1!
Yeah. Starts from North Birmingham Academy heading into town.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on May 06, 2015, 06:20:39 AM
Yesterday PB was short on buses. The school bus 7 was cancelled, 4756 was on loan from YW to PB and put on the 33 and two Enviro 400 Trident's (4803 and 4822) and a Gemini (4491) were on the Sutton routes usually operated by E40D's. Are they still short today?
You are posting rubbish. 4756/8 are not on loan from YW because of a vehicle shortage. It's a planned move which I mentioned last Friday was going to happen. They will be there again today and at their home garage WB on Friday. With 4927 away for repairs there will always be a couple of other buses on Sutton, in fact every other 49xx was on the road yesterday
Quote from: Tony on May 06, 2015, 07:14:29 AM
You are posting rubbish. 4756/8 are not on loan from YW because of a vehicle shortage. It's a planned move which I mentioned last Friday was going to happen. They will be there again today and at their home garage WB on Friday. With 4927 away for repairs there will always be a couple of other buses on Sutton, in fact every other 49xx was on the road yesterday
I didn't see the post on Friday. Just posted what I was told. Thanks for the correction.
4778 has just left solihull station not in service. Must have been on a charter this morning I should think.
It was in service! 4778 & 4779 are both running a free shuttle service between Solihull and Chelmsley Wood via resort world at the NEC today both fully destinated
Quote from: Tony on May 06, 2015, 01:53:53 PM
It was in service! 4778 & 4779 are both running a free shuttle service between Solihull and Chelmsley Wood via resort world at the NEC today both fully destinated
Cheers tony. I've just seen it again with the 'Resorts world' destination board. Only saw it from the back earlier. An unusual sight in solihull!
Unexpectedly seen while travelling on an 87!
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/3ECgX0
4756 on 33
Quote from: Tony on May 06, 2015, 01:53:53 PM
It was in service! 4778 & 4779 are both running a free shuttle service between Solihull and Chelmsley Wood via resort world at the NEC today both fully destinated
I saw one of the 47** Enviro400s on the resorts world Shuttle this afternoon on Moor Street Queensway
One was also on the 115/914
Quote from: John on May 06, 2015, 06:31:36 PM
I saw one of the 47** Enviro400s on the resorts world Shuttle this afternoon on Moor Street Queensway
One was also on the 115/914
4757 did Resorts World shuttle this morning
4756 (I think) was on 33
Quite a few Enviro400s out of place today.
At Least 2 ex-Pensnetts on the Suttons
1 on 907, one on 902/4/5s, also an unbranded 'BX61' on too.
A 47** on the 115/914
A 49** on the 33
Quote from: John on May 07, 2015, 12:23:55 PM
Quite a few Enviro400s out of place today.
At Least 2 ex-Pensnetts on the Suttons
1 on 907, one on 902/4/5s, also an unbranded 'BX61' on too.
A 47** on the 115/914
A 49** on the 33
There are 2 49**s on the 33 and 2 48** 'BX61's on the 902/4/5s
Also there is a Sutton Lines Branded Enviro400 on the 952 this afternoon
Quote from: John on May 07, 2015, 06:35:16 PM
There are 2 49**s on the 33 and 2 48** 'BX61's on the 902/4/5s
Also there is a Sutton Lines Branded Enviro400 on the 952 this afternoon
And 4855 was on either 7 or 65 this morning
Lots of 49xx Enviro400's on the 16 this morning; 4930 and 4938 to name but two.
Alan
Quote from: wmacb13 on May 08, 2015, 10:00:25 AM
Lots of 49xx Enviro400's on the 16 this morning; 4930 and 4938 to name but two.
Alan
There's 2 61 plates on the 902/4/5s and an ex Pensnett on the 115/914. Plus a Sutton Lines branded bus on there too
Quote from: wmacb13 on May 08, 2015, 10:00:25 AM
Lots of 49xx Enviro400's on the 16 this morning; 4930 and 4938 to name but two.
Alan
4929 is another E400 on the 16
What is the allocation for the 16 on a sunday?
Quote from: NXDom on May 10, 2015, 10:15:35 AM
What is the allocation for the 16 on a sunday?
Enviro 400 I would assume
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 10, 2015, 10:37:20 AM
Enviro 400 I would assume
I Wasn't sure if it was the same as the weekday.
Which routes am i most likely to find the 5 scania omnicities. I have never been on one
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 10, 2015, 08:20:19 PM
Which routes am i most likely to find the 5 scania omnicities. I have never been on one
The 907 :)
907
Quote from: Rob2832 on May 10, 2015, 08:21:09 PM
The 907 :)
Thank you i just realised theres 6 4697 i missed off the count
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 10, 2015, 08:22:52 PM
Thank you i just realised theres 6 4697 i missed off the count
It's easy to do that being the older model. I always find it to be noteworthy when I see a Omnicity
I make it at least 6+ 49** Enviros on the 16
Quote from: clayderman on May 13, 2015, 08:05:59 PM
I make it at least 6+ 49** Enviros on the 16
No, only 5, 4931/2/5/7/9
Quote from: Tony on May 13, 2015, 08:22:48 PM
No, only 5, 4931/2/5/7/9
Thanks, Tony. I was contemplating how many non-tridents I saw - gotta admit, I was close though! ;)
Also, 4498 is on the 101 - gonna miss the Geminis on there, not that there were many anyway - it seems to rattle a lot from the rear, when pulling off, i've noticed.
We have a new vehicle allocator, may explain the different workings of late
Quote from: John on May 13, 2015, 08:51:32 PM
We have a new vehicle allocator, may explain the different workings of late
I would love to become a vehicle allocator !
94 will still get the old ones no doubt.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 13, 2015, 11:21:09 PM
94 will still get the old ones no doubt.
The geminis aren't that bad i went on one on monday
Quote from: John on May 13, 2015, 08:51:32 PM
We have a new vehicle allocator, may explain the different workings of late
Tell him we all think he's doing a good job!
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 13, 2015, 11:22:33 PM
The geminis aren't that bad i went on one on monday
They're by far the best in the fleet
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 14, 2015, 09:14:55 PM
They're by far the best in the fleet
Undoubtedly. Unless it's the 45**s at WB. I think they're ear-deafeningly loud! 47** are my personal favourites. It's a shame that NX never managed to get any Volvo B9TLs (Gemini 2 bodied) - I always thought they look commendable...
Quote from: clayderman on May 14, 2015, 09:22:52 PM
Undoubtedly. Unless it's the 45**s at WB. I think they're ear-deafeningly loud! 47** are my personal favourites. It's a shame that NX never managed to get any Volvo B9TLs (Gemini 2 bodied) - I always thought they look commendable...
I think the original Geminis are by far the best looking. The facelifts and onwards just don't look right for me. I'm going on the looks of the ones that used to be on the 110. I remember those old school days waiting on Upper Bull Street, for the Mercs and Tridents on the 74/79 (and the ever so rare B7 ALX on the 74Es, seeing 4475-4516 on the 7 & Sutton Lines looking far more pleasing to the eye than the FJ08 --- ones that were on the 110. The back just didn't look right. Obviously that's all in my opinion. I believe I've only ever been on the FJ08s once when my nbus/Busmaster or whatever it was got rejected, even though they had the sticker saying it accepted it. Anyway I got off and caught the then brand new E400s on the Suttons or the ALX/Gems.
Anyway nostalgia over.
Quote from: MW on May 14, 2015, 09:51:26 PM
I think the original Geminis are by far the best looking. The facelifts and onwards just don't look right for me. I'm going on the looks of the ones that used to be on the 110. I remember those old school days waiting on Upper Bull Street, for the Mercs and Tridents on the 74/79 (and the ever so rare B7 ALX on the 74Es, seeing 4475-4516 on the 7 & Sutton Lines looking far more pleasing to the eye than the FJ08 --- ones that were on the 110. The back just didn't look right. Obviously that's all in my opinion. I believe I've only ever been on the FJ08s once when my nbus/Busmaster or whatever it was got rejected, even though they had the sticker saying it accepted it. Anyway I got off and caught the then brand new E400s on the Suttons or the ALX/Gems.
Anyway nostalgia over.
Don't be too hasty on nostalgia talk. ;) Those were the days... I agree, Wrightbus shouldn't have mismatched the body... It did look a bit odd to me, but, dare I say it, I think the Gemini 2 body was the best. I hate the facelifted Streetdeck. Though modern/borderline futuristic, the logo looks like it gets smaller, with every new vehicle...
Quote from: clayderman on May 14, 2015, 09:22:52 PM
Undoubtedly. Unless it's the 45**s at WB. I think they're ear-deafeningly loud! 47** are my personal favourites. It's a shame that NX never managed to get any Volvo B9TLs (Gemini 2 bodied) - I always thought they look commendable...
The only WB 45**s that (have cooling fans that are on all the time) are loud are 4504 and occasionally 4522. The 47**s are much worse for having the coolers on, they are really good though
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 14, 2015, 10:23:35 PM
The only WB 45**s that (have cooling fans that are on all the time) are loud are 4504 and occasionally 4522. The 47**s are much worse for having the coolers on, they are really good though
I'm sure it'll soon be the "Ex WB 45**s".
I've got a feeling the 45** batch will all be at AG shortly.
Quote from: MW on May 15, 2015, 06:23:56 AM
I'm sure it'll soon be the "Ex WB 45**s".
I've got a feeling the 45** batch will all be at AG shortly.
Me too :'(. Maybe PB will get 4503-4505 back
@nxwmbusfan1999 4932 on the 16 is no longer noteworthy. Since the ex PE E400's moved over, E400's have become the main type on the 16. Newer E400's are used too. Just to demonstate that it's normal, there were 5 63 plates on there earlier in the week (on the same day)
What fleet numbers are the nx leather seated omnilinks? Where can I expect to find them? Is there any pictures of the interiors?
What are the chances of getting an omnicity on the 907?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 19, 2015, 04:48:26 PM
What fleet numbers are the nx leather seated omnilinks? Where can I expect to find them? Is there any pictures of the interiors?
What are the chances of getting an omnicity on the 907?
Never heard of a leather seated omnilink,, there are leather seat e400s on X51 and 997. And the omnicities mainly live on the 907
@Trident 4194 1844 to 1847 are the high backed seats Omnilinks - I believe they no longer have leather. Been refurbished very nicely - they usually run on the 952 but can really end up on the 28/66/66A as well depending on the allocation for the day.
Fairly good chance of getting them on the 907 on weekdays.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 19, 2015, 04:48:26 PM
Is there any pictures of the interiors?
@Trident 4194 Mine are here (plus more in the album) https://www.flickr.com/photos/101550299@N05/12597490713/in/set-72157640150918526
@Liberator9 is correct, all four have now had the leather replaced with standard grey dot moquette.
That's a shame was hoping for leather seats, never mind I might get the 907 on an omnicity instead
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 19, 2015, 04:51:37 PM
Never heard of a leather seated omnilink,, there are leather seat e400s on X51 and 997. And the omnicities mainly live on the 907
they were new for the 934 when it was at pb. 1844-1847 I think
always on 952 now
Quote from: BU07 LGO on May 19, 2015, 09:51:03 PM
they were new for the 934 when it was at pb. 1844-1847 I think
always on 952 now
Just regarded as standard Scanias now so turn up on any PB route
How come have the Sutton lost the "every 7 minutes" logo from the top windows???
Quote from: Nxwm on May 20, 2015, 01:20:53 PM
How come have the Sutton lost the "every 7 minutes" logo from the top windows???
Some have lost it after having replacement front windows
4726 on the 7 school run today! Currently at North Birmingham Academy.
Just seen 4726 at Perry Common! Perry Barr must be short on buses
33 branded 4843 is on the Sutton's. Got a photo of it on the 904 in Sutton. Also Omnilink 1876 was right behind it on the 902.
Once someone has mentioned odd workings do we really need it mentioned several times? I have deleted some now, but 4726's loan got at least 8 mentions, Three by the same person under YW, PB & Unusual workings, and still others posted the same things
ALX400 4256 just came into North Birmingham Academy on a test run. Managed to successfully get in and out so buses should be on site after half-term. Missed a photo though.
4851 (OH HOW MUCH I HATE THAT BUS) on Cap Gemini today. Just arrived back at PB.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on May 22, 2015, 01:46:06 PM
ALX400 4256 just came into North Birmingham Academy on a test run. Managed to successfully get in and out so buses should be on site after half-term. Missed a photo though.
College High School, College Road, in old money.
Agree with you that 4851 is a bit of a drab example of a drab breed.
My 16 (4804) just came into city via Dale End. Anyone know why?
Quote from: Matt on May 23, 2015, 05:41:07 PM
Isn't it pride?
That was lunchtime. There is a Kingsley Burrell protest this evening which may have moved round to police HQ. I seem to remember it caused disruption last time.
That would explain it then. Thanks folks
Quote from: notepanel on May 23, 2015, 05:46:03 PM
That was lunchtime. There is a Kingsley Burrell protest this evening which may have moved round to police HQ. I seem to remember it caused disruption last time.
Ignore me! Isn't Snow Hill Queensway shut (or at least meant to be) today for the removal of a crane?
Quote from: John on May 24, 2015, 08:55:09 AM
@nxwmbusfan1999 not unusual, the 67 currently gets any Decker in the garage
I'd imagine being a Sunday there will be more of the 63 plate E400's avaliable for use on other routes such as the 16, 65,67 etc.
Quote from: BusFan on May 24, 2015, 03:28:00 PM
Perry Barr | Enviro 400 4929 | #952
Normal For a Sunday
@BusFan
Quote from: Matt on May 24, 2015, 03:30:56 PM
Is a gemini on the 16 normal?
Less and less normal these days
4236 (board 16/11)
Another B7 ALX
And a B7 Gemini all on the 16 today.
1868 on the 94 which for me is unusual as it is mainly B7 ALX400 or Wright Eclipse bodied varieties, it was on the inbound journey by the Clock Garage island came just before the 72 I was waiting for at the stop before Heathland Avenue on Bradford Road. Sorry if this has been posted in other threads guys.
Quote from: clayderman on May 26, 2015, 10:28:37 AM
4236 (board 16/11)
Another B7 ALX
And a B7 Gemini all on the 16 today.
4252 is the other alx
My bad
@John got number mixed up now edited it was 4252
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 26, 2015, 02:22:31 PM
4232 is the other alx
That's a West Brom bus Chris (unless its on loan)
All of 4236; 4251; 4252; 4257; 4283 & 4303 are on the 16 at the moment
Quote from: Tony on May 26, 2015, 02:29:44 PM
All of 4236; 4251; 4252; 4257; 4283 & 4303 are on the 16 at the moment
Is this possibly because of the volume of ex Pensnett E400s in for repaint?
Quote from: don on May 26, 2015, 02:34:13 PM
Is this possibly because of the volume of ex Pensnett E400s in for repaint?
That and there are not enough 48** Enviros to cover the 7, 16 & 101
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 26, 2015, 08:26:13 PM
That and there are not enough 48** Enviros to cover the 7, 16 & 101
There is, It's just 4 of them are at Pensnett!
Quote from: Tony on May 26, 2015, 08:36:46 PM
There is, It's just 4 of them are at Pensnett!
Is there? What are the PVRs of all three routes?
@Sh4318 Quick working through the timetable on the NWM website gives me the following numbers for the 7, 16, 101 - although for simplicity I've just done how many buses are required in the off peaks.
7 - 7
16 - 12
101 - 7
Bear in mind though in the peaks there's probably an extra or two.
Although when the extra 4 come in from Pensnett there should be just enough.
Where are omnicities today?
@Trident 4194 Your best chance is usually on the 907 - good idea is just to go to the city centre and hang around the Bull St/Carrs Lane/Moor Street area - bound to have some come through there at some point on the 9XX services.
4777; 4778; 4780; 4781 all on the 907
4697 on the 94
4779 not out
Quote from: Tony on May 27, 2015, 08:47:07 AM
4777; 4778; 4780; 4781 all on the 907
4697 on the 94
4779 not out
Thanks tony
Quote from: Tony on May 27, 2015, 08:47:07 AM
4777; 4778; 4780; 4781 all on the 907
4697 on the 94
4779 not out
I'm looking forward to moving house back close to the 107, 113 routes. Will be good to have the 4777-81 sisters as a regular ride.
4779 made it into 16
4799 now complete
Perry Barr have the politest drivers in my opinion
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 27, 2015, 07:55:42 PM
Perry Barr have the politest drivers in my opinion
I always thought so too. Although, PN drivers aren't too bad either - I'd say PN comes a close second, and WA & BC joint third, for me, anyway...
Quote from: clayderman on May 27, 2015, 08:09:25 PM
I always thought so too. Although, PN drivers aren't too bad either - I'd say PN comes a close second, and WA & BC joint third, for me, anyway...
It depends, all garages have good & bad drivers but that is life.
As for PN i have met the best drivers, really polite and well mannered and also seen the worst as well.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 27, 2015, 08:31:34 PM
It depends, all garages have good & bad drivers but that is life.
As for PN i have met the best drivers, really polite and well mannered and also seen the worst as well.
I guess so. I'll always remember my first experience on the E400MMC. I was lucky to catch 6101 on it's second day of service, the driver was extremely polite, and we both exchanged thanks as I got off the bus...
I'm sure some PB drivers recognise me, especially on the 16 and 101. We usually exchange smiles as I get on. Though, I should imagine you have to be polite, kind and approachable in this industry.
Quote from: clayderman on May 27, 2015, 08:53:20 PM
I guess so. I'll always remember my first experience on the E400MMC. I was lucky to catch 6101 on it's second day of service, the driver was extremely polite, and we both exchanged thanks as I got off the bus...
I'm sure some PB drivers recognise me, especially on the 16 and 101. We usually exchange smiles as I get on. Though, I should imagine you have to be polite, kind and approachable in this industry.
Very much so, especially with a large company like NE! Many people see the polite drivers but nothing is said because it is expected, however one bad driver can give the whole company a bad reputation.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 27, 2015, 08:58:26 PM
Very much so, especially with a large company like NE! Many people see the polite drivers but nothing is said because it is expected, however one bad driver can give the whole company a bad reputation.
On a whole, the majority of drivers are usually very kind towards their passengers - others, probably, but not as much and the rest, who I feel just want to earn their living, which I can't blame for doing so...
The Ominicities are spreading their wings this morning with the 6 of them on 5 different routes
1 x 16
1 x 65
1 x 67
1 x 94
2 x 907
Quote from: Tony on May 29, 2015, 09:37:10 AM
The Ominicities are spreading their wings this morning with the 6 of them on 5 different routes
1 x 16
1 x 65
1 x 67
1 x 94
2 x 907
Why did nx not buy more of them? There way better than the plastic crap they signed for
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 29, 2015, 09:39:28 AM
Why did nx not buy more of them? There way better than the plastic crap they signed for
Just because you like the look of them?
Try asking the staff at PB which is better for the job they do, a 57 plate Scania or a 57 plate E400
Quote from: Tony on May 29, 2015, 09:46:35 AM
Just because you like the look of them?
Try asking the staff at PB which is better for the job they do, a 57 plate Scania or a 57 plate E400
They certainly do do nx proud
Quote from: Tony on May 29, 2015, 09:46:35 AM
Just because you like the look of them?
Try asking the staff at PB which is better for the job they do, a 57 plate Scania or a 57 plate E400
If the 57s are anything like out ex-Pensnett Enviro400s, I know what I'd prefer!
Quote from: Tony on May 29, 2015, 09:37:10 AM
The Ominicities are spreading their wings this morning with the 6 of them on 5 different routes
1 x 16
1 x 65
1 x 67
1 x 94
2 x 907
@Tony 4777 is the Omnicity on the 94 saw it coming into town on Jennens Road
Quote from: Squiz1971 on May 29, 2015, 12:32:16 PM
@Tony 4777 is the Omnicity on the 94 saw it coming into town on Jennens Road
4780 and 4781 are the 2 on the 907.
I think it is 4778 on the 65
Got a phone shot of 4799
while onboard 1225 900E with 6709
https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/17606634304/in/dateposted/
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 29, 2015, 02:53:49 PM
Got a phone shot of 4799
while onboard 1225 900E with 6709
https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/17606634304/in/dateposted/
This livery really suits the older E400's and looks a lot better than the red and white livery would be nice to see the whole fleet in this livery but I cannot see NXWM somehow putting the older fleet Tridents in this livery but I could be wrong though. Great pic
@nxwmbusfan1999
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 29, 2015, 02:53:49 PM
Got a phone shot of 4799
while onboard 1225 900E with 6709
https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/17606634304/in/dateposted/
Great Shot !
Looks really good and the older Enviros have warmed to it well. Personally I think it looks better like this without the advertising on the sides.
4799 on the Sutton Lines today looking very smart!
Photo's here:
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/trident_4609/18079827489/
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/trident_4609/17645458183/
New Moquette on 4799:
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/trident_4609/17644469693/
Quote from: Nathan on May 30, 2015, 05:59:57 PM
4799 on the Sutton Lines today looking very smart!
Photo's here:
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/trident_4609/18079827489/
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/trident_4609/17645458183/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/97592007@N08/18082502388/in/dateposted-public/
Seeing 4799 this morning got me debating what livery 4927 will return in. I could see it being Crimson but imagine it will just be red/white to match the rest of the Sutton buses. I also dought that the ticket branding will be reapplied, so will look different whatever livery it returns in. Does anyone know how repairs are going?
Typically the day 4799 is on Suttons is the day when I'm on the really early shift and finish at 11am ::)
Quote from: John on May 30, 2015, 07:13:41 PM
Seeing 4799 this morning got me debating what livery 4927 will return in. I could see it being Crimson but imagine it will just be red/white to match the rest of the Sutton buses. I also dought that the ticket branding will be reapplied, so will look different whatever livery it returns in. Does anyone know how repairs are going?
Typically the day 4799 is on Suttons is the day when I'm on the really early shift and finish at 11am ::)
Repairs are progressing because up until earlier in the week the tracker was still showing in Erdington where all the electrics were isolated. It was showing as being driven around Plaxtons yard yesterday
If anyone wants to know how 4799 ended up on the Sutton's, here's how: It was supposed to be 4924 out but there was a huge crack on the windscreen (somehow it got marked F.F.S.) driver mentioned it so they swapped the bus. While talking to the engineer at PB he mentioned 4799, the engineer said to the driver "Do you want it?" and well he wouldn't say no to that ;)
4812 should be on the road tomorrow.
Going to head down to PB in a minute to see if 4812 is out today.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 01, 2015, 06:51:33 AM
Going to head down to PB in a minute to see if 4812 is out today.
Currently running private to Sutton
4799 on the 33
Quote from: Tony on June 01, 2015, 07:59:54 AM
Currently running private to Sutton
4799 on the 33
@Tony do you know if 4799 is on the 33 all day ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on June 01, 2015, 08:35:32 AM
@Tony do you know if 4799 is on the 33 all day ?
Yes, until after Midnight if it stays on the same board.
4812 is on the 115/914
What times will 4812 be from city thanks
Quote from: Tony on June 01, 2015, 08:53:05 AM
Yes, until after Midnight if it stays on the same board.
4812 is on the 115/914
Thanks (:
Is 4799 still on the 33, if so what's the next time off Pheasey?
4781 is on the 7, for anybody who's intrested... ;)
Quote from: clayderman on June 02, 2015, 08:06:26 AM
4781 is on the 7, for anybody who's intrested... ;)
4777 & 4778 are on the 94
Quote from: Squiz1971 on June 02, 2015, 01:07:57 PM
4777 & 4778 are on the 94
4780 is also on the 94. I'm not sure if I've seen as many as three on there in any one day.
Quote from: Gareth on June 02, 2015, 02:58:10 PM
4780 is also on the 94. I'm not sure if I've seen as many as three on there in any one day.
Me neither as the norm is ALX400/Gemini B7TL's with E400's thrown in the mix for variation.
There's at least two Omnicities on the 94 again today. 4781 being one of them
Quote from: Gareth on June 03, 2015, 02:28:07 PM
There's at least two Omnicities on the 94 again today. 4781 being one of them
4780 is the other one saw it on Priory Queensway about 8:20 this morning followed by a 44** Gemini
Anyone know the whereabouts of 4799? I just saw 4812, on the 101, looking very smart and stylish indeed!
EDIT: 4947 seems to be on loan, seen on Square Peg doing a 115 - furthermore, 4778 appears to be on the 94. That makes three today, doesn't it?
Quote from: clayderman on June 03, 2015, 04:10:02 PM
Anyone know the whereabouts of 4799? I just saw 4812, on the 101, looking very smart and stylish indeed!
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Quote from: clayderman on June 03, 2015, 04:10:02 PM
Anyone know the whereabouts of 4799? I just saw 4812, on the 101, looking very smart and stylish indeed!
EDIT: 4947 seems to be on loan, seen on Square Peg doing a 115 - furthermore, 4778 appears to be on the 94. That makes three today, doesn't it?
Apparently there was 3 omnicities on the 94 yesterday too
Any idea what is going on with the E40D's on the 33? I've heard one is missing and have seen a lot of Gemini's, ALX400's, Trident Enviro 400's and Scania Omnicity's on it recently. I'm not concerned by the way, loving the variety!! ;)
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 03, 2015, 07:57:47 PM
Any idea what is going on with the E40D's on the 33? I've heard one is missing and have seen a lot of Gemini's, ALX400's, Trident Enviro 400's and Scania Omnicity's on it recently. I'm not concerned by the way, loving the variety!! ;)
Not quite sure where some of these stories come from but the only one that hasn't been out today is 4844, and that was out yesterday so none missing
Yesterday there was 4278 and 4281 on there
Quote from: Gareth on June 03, 2015, 02:28:07 PM
There's at least two Omnicities on the 94 again today. 4781 being one of them
With at least one Gemini on the 907 instead
Quote from: Lukeee on June 03, 2015, 10:16:50 PM
With at least one Gemini on the 907 instead
Maybe an allocator that realises the 94 shouldn't be bottom of the barrel all the time lol
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 03, 2015, 10:46:44 PM
Maybe an allocator that realises the 94 shouldn't be bottom of the barrel all the time lol
907 had two geminis and the 94 had to scanias
33 branded 4845 is on the Sutton's today. Just seen it on the 904 heading into town.
Scanias do seem to be spreading their wings a bit.
4777 (I think) on the 46 last night
4778 on 65 this morning
Quote from: jack4325 on June 04, 2015, 07:16:07 AM
907 had two geminis and the 94 had to scanias
The 907 gets any Decker in the garage
Crimson painted Enviro was on the 101 about 30 mins ago heading for Handsworth
4778 4780 & 4781 seen on 94 yesterday evening (3rd June).well surprised. :D
Is 4947 still at PB?
any one still need 4812 its on the 16 6.15 on moor st queensway heading to the markets
4913 still at perry barr please
Apparently the vehicle allocator has had a telling off for 4845 and 4851 being on the Sutton's.
Quote from: Solo1 on June 05, 2015, 06:59:34 AM
any one still need 4812 its on the 16 6.15 on moor st queensway heading to the markets
Saw it on Old Square on 82 or 87 not sure which @ 11:30 heading towards Colmore Row. Looking as good as 4799 as the livery is a lot better than the red/white livery in my opinion.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on June 05, 2015, 02:23:38 PM
Saw it on Old Square on 82 or 87 not sure which @ 11:30 heading towards Colmore Row. Looking as good as 4799 as the livery is a lot better than the red/white livery in my opinion.
No.... you saw 4751 on the 82/87, not 4812
Quote from: Tony on June 05, 2015, 03:01:12 PM
No.... you saw 4751 on the 82/87, not 4812
It was 4812 I saw at Old Square but I got the wrong route as 4812 is now a PB bus not WB bus so it was the 16 I saw it on instead :'( dozy me lol. Helps if you get the right garage route before posting a load of drivel
4924 taken out of service this lunchtime from 904 after two youths put the upstairs rear window through with a window hammer.
Worryingly they boarded the bus blatantly carrying the hammer, which qualifies as an offensive weapon and potentially a charge of 'going equipped.'
Annoying when a small minority decide to vandalise a bus like that - where abouts on the route did it happen?
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 05, 2015, 09:39:50 PM
Annoying when a small minority decide to vandalise a bus like that - where abouts on the route did it happen?
Shortly before Six Ways Erdington
Any idea where either 4947 (if it hasn't gone back yet), 4913 (if it hasn't gone back yet), 4799 or 4812 is today?
Any reason for a double decker to be on 66A?
Within the last 3 weeks I have seen 2 on the 66A all between 16:00 and 16:30.
One of them was a Gemini, which had 66A on the display while sitting in Sutton.
Quote from: james99 on June 08, 2015, 04:24:34 PM
Any reason for a double decker to be on 66A?
Within the last 3 weeks I have seen 2 on the 66A all between 16:00 and 16:30.
One of them was a Gemini, which had 66A on the display while sitting in Sutton.
I think it is a school working from Goosemoor Lane to Sutton
One comes from Perry common at around 16:15 every day off the 869
4799 on the 46.
Just been told a Crimson Trident Enviro 400 is due back at the garage tomorrow evening. He just needs to double check that information but will probably go for it.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 11, 2015, 04:51:54 AM
Just been told a Crimson Trident Enviro 400 is due back at the garage tomorrow evening. He just needs to double check that information but will probably go for it.
Would that be 1 of the 2 PE ones transferred to PB recently that went straight to the paint shop or have some of the other ex-PE E400's gone to Walsall?
Quote from: Squiz1971 on June 11, 2015, 12:55:22 PM
Would that be 1 of the 2 PE ones transferred to PB recently that went straight to the paint shop or have some of the other ex-PE E400's gone to Walsall?
It's one from the PB allocation.
4800 will be the next one back as I posted earlier in the week
Quote from: Tony on June 11, 2015, 07:09:51 PM
4800 will be the next one back as I posted earlier in the week
Yes I remember U saying that now Tony my apologies
I clocked 4799 in Erdington (Give or take an hour ago) driven by an engineer.
4851 involved in a minor collision at Perry Barr (seceretly cheers).
Curiosity is getting the better of me here hence me asking this, I know the Scania Artics are in Reserve but are they in the back of the garage or Miller Street ?!
Quote from: BusFan on June 13, 2015, 01:13:49 AM
Curiosity is getting the better of me here hence me asking this, I know the Scania Artics are in Reserve but are they in the back of the garage or Miller Street ?!
Neither, they are stored at the old Lea Hall garage.
Yesterday evening I saw 7024 on the 28E to Great Barr at the Fox & Goose. That's the first route I have seen her on since leaving AG for PB
Quote from: Gareth on June 13, 2015, 01:17:06 AM
Neither, they are stored at the old Lea Hall garage.
I thought that was sold off ?!
Quote from: BusFan on June 13, 2015, 04:52:46 PM
I thought that was sold off ?!
I don't know exact details of the sale or usage, but NXWM still use part of the garage for some of the reserve fleet.
Quote from: Gareth on June 13, 2015, 11:30:23 PM
I don't know exact details of the sale or usage, but NXWM still use part of the garage for some of the reserve fleet.
Is anything viewable from the outside ?!
Quote from: BusFan on June 14, 2015, 12:09:17 AM
Is anything viewable from the outside ?!
Only the side get when turning in from cole hall, but a lot of it is fenced off. Normally see a load of mercs at the side.
Some sort of minor diversion on the Sutton routes outbound from the City Centre tonight (Sunday) as Corporation Street by Aston University was closed. My 18:00 914 (4489) was late arriving at the Square Peg and didn't depart until 18:15, outward via Newtown Row and Newtown Middleway, joining the Aston Expressway at Dartmouth Circus.
Quote from: Ossie on June 14, 2015, 10:57:33 PM
Some sort of minor diversion on the Sutton routes outbound from the City Centre tonight (Sunday) as Corporation Street by Aston University was closed. My 18:00 914 (4489) was late arriving at the Square Peg and didn't depart until 18:15, outward via Newtown Row and Newtown Middleway, joining the Aston Expressway at Dartmouth Circus.
A crane was being removed from a building site opposite Aston University yesterday so the road was closed all day till 7pm. A quite hectic day yesterday, also at 5pm the Expressway was a car park, so we were using Lichfield Road, plus 907s were unable to serve New Oscott Tesco due to an accident by Aldi on Chester Road
Two more Crimsons in service today
4800 & 4806 both on the 16 today
7028 on the 94 seen on inward journey by Drews Lane lights I was on 72E in opposite direction
On 4480 and we left town 10-15 minutes late on the 907A. Driver managed to do the Birchfield straight in about 5-10 minutes and we're now on time!
Loving the chilled-out maths in that last remark!
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 16, 2015, 08:11:36 AM
On 4480 and we left town 10-15 minutes late on the 907A. Driver managed to do the Birchfield straight in about 5-10 minutes and we're now on time!
In reality it was the 07:50 journey which left 6 minutes late at 07:56 and arrived at Wellhead Lane at 08:09 3 minutes late
4799 and 4800 in convoy on the 101. Both looked great when I passed them near rhe Jewellery Quarter...
I'm noticing the 907A is starting to disappear on stops going towards Sutton. Are NXWM scrapping the morning 907A's or changing it's route?
4799 is on the Cap Gemini today
4806 and 4812 are on the 16
Quote from: John on June 17, 2015, 12:54:23 PM
4799 is on the Cap Gemini today
4806 and 4812 are on the 16
Is it still on Cap Gemini?
4799 currently heading into town on the 907A then doing CG.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 17, 2015, 03:44:43 PM
4799 currently heading into town on the 907A then doing CG.
What do you mean by CG or Cap Gemini
Quote from: Rhys S on June 17, 2015, 04:14:59 PM
What do you mean by CG or Cap Gemini
More info here
@Rhys S http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1935.msg69278#msg69278
I've just seen a President and either a B10L or a O405N parked in the garage!
3601 just departed PB!
Does the 16 go to lower bull street from colmore row? Any other services that go there? Had a look on network West Midlands but not very helpful
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 21, 2015, 03:52:18 PM
Does the 16 go to lower bull street from colmore row? Any other services that go there? Had a look on network West Midlands but not very helpful
The 16 doesn't go on Colmore Row.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 21, 2015, 03:52:18 PM
Does the 16 go to lower bull street from colmore row? Any other services that go there? Had a look on network West Midlands but not very helpful
Lower Bull Street is closed to traffic at the moment as the tram tracks are being laid there plus the 16 doesn't go down Colmore Row turns right at Lloyd House and goes down Snow Hill Queensway to Constitution Hill hope this helps Trident4194
Quote from: Squiz1971 on June 21, 2015, 03:55:50 PM
Lower Bull Street is closed to traffic at the moment as the tram tracks are being laid there plus the 16 doesn't go down Colmore Row turns right at Lloyd House and goes down Snow Hill Queensway to Constitution Hill hope this helps Trident4194
I meant stop before colmore row, so where do I board 997/x51 now then?
Quote from: Squiz1971 on June 21, 2015, 03:55:50 PM
Lower Bull Street is closed to traffic at the moment as the tram tracks are being laid there plus the 16 doesn't go down Colmore Row turns right at Lloyd House and goes down Snow Hill Queensway to Constitution Hill hope this helps Trident4194
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Lower Bull Street is still open, that is where all the Birchfield Road services load from
Quote from: Tony on June 21, 2015, 03:58:51 PM
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Lower Bull Street is still open, that is where all the Birchfield Road services load from
Is that where I board 997/X51? When I went to Birmingham yesterday I saw that the 935 and 997 turned right before getting to moor street rail station. Is this road where I board the 997?
Perry Barr bound buses is boarded from by KFC.
98, 99 and Suttons board round the corner at The Square Peg
Quote from: Tony on June 21, 2015, 03:58:51 PM
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Lower Bull Street is still open, that is where all the Birchfield Road services load from
It must be Upper Bull Street that's closed my mistake either way the 16 doesn't run up either for Trident 4194's benefit .Yes
@Trident 4194 it is I got me Bull Streets mixed up
Looks like 4779 will need a new windscreen...
4799 is/was on the 902/4/5s this morning. I don't know if it still is
Is there a Scania Double decker at Keltruck near junction 1 of the M5. Sure I saw one hiding behind a Megabus coach in the yard. I have seen Omnilinks there too in the past, are they a Scania dealer?
Quote from: j789 on June 24, 2015, 06:50:38 PM
Is there a Scania Double decker at Keltruck near junction 1 of the M5. Sure I saw one hiding behind a Megabus coach in the yard. I have seen Omnilinks there too in the past, are they a Scania dealer?
Yes, they are a Scania dealer:
http://www.keltruck.com/
Quote from: Stu on June 24, 2015, 06:55:49 PM
Yes, they are a Scania dealer:
http://www.keltruck.com/
Handy having a dealership so close, I guess they go there for warranty repairs then. Was there a reason for NXWM only purchasing such a low number of Scania deckers as they are lovely buses, and they bought a fair few Omnilinks. Were they more expensive than the E400s?
Quote from: j789 on June 24, 2015, 07:04:28 PM
Handy having a dealership so close, I guess they go there for warranty repairs then. Was there a reason for NXWM only purchasing such a low number of Scania deckers as they are lovely buses, and they bought a fair few Omnilinks. Were they more expensive than the E400s?
I agree, however Tony said from a drivers perspective they weren't very nice to drive
@John I don't suppose you had 4501 on the 907 did you?
Quote from: MW on June 26, 2015, 07:48:43 PM
@John I don't suppose you had 4501 on the 907 did you?
Yes I did this afternoon 8)
Quote from: John on June 26, 2015, 07:49:08 PM
Yes I did this afternoon 8)
Did you see 4523 pass you by any chance?
Quote from: MW on June 26, 2015, 07:50:03 PM
Did you see 4523 pass you by any chance?
By Newtown Baths NIS?
Quote from: John on June 26, 2015, 07:52:21 PM
By Newtown Baths NIS
Yeah that was me. When that ambulance came trying to get past lol
Quote from: MW on June 26, 2015, 07:53:07 PM
Yeah that was me. When that ambulance came trying to get past lol
Why did you think that was me? I guess you started as an 11C in Perry Barr ;)
Quote from: John on June 26, 2015, 08:02:13 PM
Why did you think that was me? I guess you started as an 11C in Perry Barr ;)
Literally was chancing it.
Was in the bus lane, seen a 907, and thought I wonder, hence why I slowed down next to your bus lol.
Yeah went to Perry Barr, 11A(11E) to Acocks Green.
Oh wait did you see me go right at the roundabout? I went to the Witton/Villa Ground roundabout to turn around as the timing point is at the other side in the stop between Perry Barr roundabout at Wellhead Lane/Road.
Quote from: MW on June 26, 2015, 08:08:53 PM
Literally was chancing it.
Was in the bus lane, seen a 907, and thought I wonder, hence why I slowed down next to your bus lol.
Yeah went to Perry Barr, 11A(11E) to Acocks Green.
Oh wait did you see me go right at the roundabout? I went to the Witton/Villa Ground roundabout to turn around as the timing point is at the other side in the stop between Perry Barr roundabout at Wellhead Lane/Road.
what time was the ambulance? I was on newtown row in traffic this evening and an ambuilance came behind and some #### in a transit van followed it through the traffic down the gap everyone made for the ambulance!
Then as I got to Lancaster circus 4877 was broken down in the middle of the road!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on June 26, 2015, 09:47:25 PM
what time was the ambulance? I was on newtown row in traffic this evening and an ambuilance came behind and some #### in a transit van followed it through the traffic down the gap everyone made for the ambulance!
Then as I got to Lancaster circus 4877 was broken down in the middle of the road!
Around half 5ish, by Newtown baths heading towards Perry Barr
Quote from: John on June 26, 2015, 09:54:10 PM
Around half 5ish, by Newtown baths heading towards Perry Barr
yeah that's probably the same one, think it was an Octavia ambulance? but I was by Lancaster at that point just after the hump back bridge. I couldn't believe the transit followed it through the traffic
Quote from: MW on June 26, 2015, 07:50:03 PM
Did you see 4523 pass you by any chance?
You passed me too! I remember seeing 4523!
There has been quite a few 49** Enviro400s on the 33 this week, with 4928 today
Quote from: John on June 27, 2015, 02:35:18 PM
There has been quite a few 49** Enviro400s on the 33 this week, with 4928 today
4937 was on the 33 too.
According to a source at PB, 4927 is due back on the 1st of July.
4477 just left Pheasey on the 33. Having a few problems since the A.B.S alarm keeps going off.
Didn't think alarm went off for an ABS light :-\
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 30, 2015, 07:55:12 AM
4477 just left Pheasey on the 33. Having a few problems since the A.B.S alarm keeps going off.
It's probably the low air alarm?
Quote from: Nxwm on June 30, 2015, 08:55:40 AM
Didn't think alarm went off for an ABS light :-\
It doesn't. Not too much wrong with 4477, still out and has completed its mileage so fair pretty much on time
4392 just left PB with Private Hire displayed.
4801 was on the Suttons this afternoon
One of PB's Gemini's has received a B9 Rear panel with the number plate recess at the bottom! It was ending in 6 but cant remember the fleet number
Quote from: BU07 LGO on July 03, 2015, 11:05:03 PM
One of PB's Gemini's has received a B9 Rear panel with the number plate recess at the bottom! It was ending in 6 but cant remember the fleet number
4498. Had a car hit it at speed at Perry Common
Quote from: John on July 03, 2015, 11:13:51 PM
4498. Had a car hit it at speed at Perry Common
woops, an 8 even!
Yeah it stood out a mile!
How does 1 get to the Reception of the garage ?!
4812 and I think 4801 are on the Sutton's today.
Quote from: BusFan on July 06, 2015, 12:00:37 AM
How does 1 get to the Reception of the garage ?!
When you get to garage go left and in the middle theres a small door i think its signposted as visitors or lost property then go in and main office is on the left (aint been here in a while)
What route was 4812 on today (yes it was in Sutton)? Saw it this morning in Sutton sitting NIS while getting off the 904E (874) (the one that is always an Omnilink and almost always has same driver) that is due in Sutton at 0810.
I am I right in saying it was the 115/914?
Thanks.
I saw 4812 on the 838 this afternoon
And 4806 was in Sutton today. Working the 914. Seen it this morning around 0810 (getting off the same 904E as yesterday, which should have come after 4917 on the 902, but 4917 came after the 904E) and this afternoon.
Quote from: james99 on July 07, 2015, 05:01:58 PM
And 4806 was in Sutton today. Working the 914. Seen it this morning around 0810 (getting off the same 904E as yesterday, which should have come after 4917 on the 902, but 4917 came after the 904E) and this afternoon.
That was me on 4917. Plus I had 4806 this afternoon too!
Quote from: John on July 07, 2015, 05:08:36 PM
That was me on 4917. Plus I had 4806 this afternoon too!
Tried to photo 4806 around an hour ago.
Was it you driving 4923 on Friday? Can only give timings I got on at about 1539 in Lower Parade.
Quote from: james99 on July 07, 2015, 05:17:25 PM
Tried to photo 4806 around an hour ago.
Was it you driving 4923 on Friday? Can only give timings I got on at about 0339 in Lower Parade.
Yes that would have been me
Crimson made it onto the 952, 4799 left town 18:20
Sorry apparently John already mentioned it
@nxwmbusfan1999 4249 is a West Brom Bus, which is on the 5 today. ALX400s on the 907 are not unusual. The 907 is a route that gets any type of decker
Well I was at the corner at lower parade and saw a Gemini at around 1525.
I also saw an e400 on the Birmingham rd with passengers today and yesterday morning but 115 on display turning out of wylde green rd. Not sure why.
Quote from: james99 on July 08, 2015, 04:01:41 PM
Well I was at the corner at lower parade and saw a Gemini at around 1525.
I also saw an e400 on the Birmingham rd with passengers today and yesterday morning but 115 on display turning out of wylde green rd. Not sure why.
Roadworks on Penns Lane probably caused that.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on July 08, 2015, 07:12:19 PM
Roadworks on Penns Lane probably caused that.
Ah right, thanks. Was a bit confused as I have not seen it when on the 902 in the afternoon, just in the morning.
Quote from: james99 on July 08, 2015, 07:39:23 PM
Ah right, thanks. Was a bit confused as I have not seen it when on the 902 in the afternoon, just in the morning.
There was a cheeky rat-run suitable for cars through back-streets (I know, as I used it!), but it would not have been suitable for a bus!
4697 is on the 65 board 65/02, caught it on me way home from work, haven't seen it out for a while but lovely to hear the engine, reminds me of the bendis
@BusFan 4781 was on the 907 in the day (907/05), and it swops to the 904 around 4.30pm for the night. The late night buses interwork routes. Some 907s do 914 trips, and vice versa. So you do see a mix on the late nights
Quote from: John on July 11, 2015, 07:05:08 AM
@BusFan
4781 was on the 907 in the day (907/05), and it swops to the 904 around 4.30pm for the night. The late night buses interwork routes. Some 907s do 914 trips, and vice versa. So you do see a mix on the late nights
Thanks ! Im unfamiliar with running boards (As to which routes go off and do what) although I get the basic idea of them. I just thought it was a noteworthy working !
Quote from: BusFan on July 11, 2015, 05:59:06 PM
Thanks ! Im unfamiliar with running boards (As to which routes go off and do what) although I get the basic idea of them. I just thought it was a noteworthy working !
Usually it would be in the daytime like yesterday one was on there (On a 902 board)
Is Perry Barr having a open day to recruit drivers in September???
Not sure if it's been mentioned somewhere but 4933 has an allover rear ad to "drive this bus", or something like that, looked like a recruitment advert.
Quote from: AV4248 on July 24, 2015, 04:45:07 PM
Not sure if it's been mentioned somewhere but 4933 has an allover rear ad to "drive this bus", or something like that, looked like a recruitment advert.
I mentioned it, in the BC thread, I think... Same ad, but applied to 4911(?)
Quote from: clayderman on July 24, 2015, 07:08:00 PM
I mentioned it, in the BC thread, I think... Same ad, but applied to 4911(?)
4913 has it at Central. I did notice one today on the back of one of the Enviro400s on the Suttons, but thanks for confirming the fleetnumber
Quote from: John on July 24, 2015, 07:09:32 PM
4913 has it at Central. I did notice one today on the back of one of the Enviro400s on the Suttons, but thanks for confirming the fleetnumber
4947 or 4949 has the ad aswell now noticed it yesterday :)
Gemini's are common on the 907 nowadays so not noteworthy
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on July 27, 2015, 09:53:38 AM
Gemini's are common on the 907 nowadays so not noteworthy
???
What brought on that comment?
Because when I'm out I often see a mixed variety and lots of Gemini's
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on July 27, 2015, 09:53:38 AM
Gemini's are common on the 907 nowadays so not noteworthy
The 907 gets any double decker
Enviro 200 763 was seen on the Phoenix Group Contract this morning passing the 50 terminus at Druids Heath. Does this contract run every day?
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 27, 2015, 07:35:58 PM
Enviro 200 763 was seen on the Phoenix Group Contract this morning passing the 50 terminus at Druids Heath. Does this contract run every day?
Cap Gemini? I don't know if it runs everyday but it runs through out the day as we saw it at 13:16
Quote from: Dom on July 27, 2015, 07:40:14 PM
Cap Gemini? I don't know if it runs everyday but it runs through out the day as we saw it at 13:16
The Pheonix Group is a different Contract to the Cap Gemini. I think they are both M-F only
The Cap Gemini is usually OmniLink, with the occasional decker or very occasional Enviro200. The Pheonix Group is Enviro200 operated, Solos beforehand
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 27, 2015, 07:35:58 PM
Enviro 200 763 was seen on the Phoenix Group Contract this morning passing the 50 terminus at Druids Heath. Does this contract run every day?
I think it runs every weekday, usually a short E200 but I have seen B7TL and Enviro 400 on there when an E200 isn't avaliable... John you beat me to it ;)
Quote from: John on July 27, 2015, 07:43:08 PM
The Pheonix Group is a different Contract to the Cap Gemini. I think they are both M-F only
The Cap Gemini is usually OmniLink, with the occasional decker or very occasional Enviro200. The Pheonix Group is Enviro200 operated, Solos beforehand
@John https://www.flickr.com/photos/97592007@N08/19439062904/in/dateposted/ , 763 was on it today :)
Ok thanks everyone 😀
1867 is on 952 if any one looking for it
Quote from: Solo1 on July 29, 2015, 07:13:52 AM
1867 is on 952 if any one looking for it
Pretty sure that 1873 is too
Yes it is John saw it this afternoon
@Dylanbusboy45 Geminis are not noteworthy on the 907. It usually gets any type of decker
Also, 4777 and 4697 were on the 902/4/5 yesterday, not today (As I had 4777 yesterday, and 4697 is on the 907 today)
Oh Ok ... When I see the 902/4/5 it's usually a 400 but I know now... WIth 4697 I must have just got mixed up with the routes. I am pretty sure I saw 4777 and it on a 90 something route so may have been 907 as well
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 29, 2015, 06:28:11 PM
Oh Ok ... When I see the 902/4/5 it's usually a 400 but I know now... WIth 4697 I must have just got mixed up with the routes. I am pretty sure I saw 4777 and it on a 90 something route so may have been 907 as well
@Dylanbusboy45 if you go on first page of noteworthy thread july, you will find a usual allocations spreadsheet. Its very handy to look at if your not certain of normal allocations.
Ok will have a look at that 😀
@Trident 4194 ALX400s (and Geminis) are still regular on the 16 as the Enviro400s are away for repaint
@Trident 4194 Not unusual, the 16 gets almost any decker although it is mainly E400's
Quote from: John on July 30, 2015, 04:37:55 PM
@Trident 4194 ALX400s (and Geminis) are still regular on the 16 as the Enviro400s are away for repaint
Ok I apologise, luckily caught 4254 an excellent bus.
I wouldn't say so as there are only 2 away for repaint and the 16 is first priority, i would of thought, for the enviro's anyway
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on July 30, 2015, 06:41:31 PM
I wouldn't say so as there are only 2 away for repaint and the 16 is first priority, i would of thought, for the enviro's anyway
Don't forget also, that not all of the 48** Enviro400s will be available in any one day, either they could be defective, having MOTs/VIs, under repair or on other routes (due to the vehicle allocator/parking positions).
(In any one day after the AM peak, there are around 15 buses parked in the garage either not needed or defective)
ps. Do we know any more about the repairs on 4927?
Quote from: John on July 30, 2015, 07:03:53 PM
Don't forget also, that not all of the 48** Enviro400s will be available in any one day, either they could be defective, having MOTs/VIs, under repair or on other routes (due to the vehicle allocator/parking positions).
(In any one day after the AM peak, there are around 15 buses parked in the garage either not needed or defective)
ps. Do we know any more about the repairs on 4927?
I only saw 4254 and 4697 that weren't e400 on the 16. Lots of crimsons on there. What about the 101?
There was a 48** enviro 400 on the 94 today
1867 on 952
Quote from: Solo1 on July 31, 2015, 07:02:23 AM
1867 on 952
I'm wondering if our vehicle allocator is trying to keep the Crimson Scanias on the 952 at present, as Tony said repaint by route. There was one on the 28 yesterday though yesterday, but at least one on the 952 for the past few days. I reckon deckers will return to the 52 in the route changes next month
Quote from: John on July 31, 2015, 08:02:17 AM
I'm wondering if our vehicle allocator is trying to keep the Crimson Scanias on the 952 at present, as Tony said repaint by route. There was one on the 28 yesterday though yesterday, but at least one on the 952 for the past few days. I reckon deckers will return to the 52 in the route changes next month
what are the changes? I think I missed them
Quote from: BU07 LGO on July 31, 2015, 09:20:33 AM
what are the changes? I think I missed them
952 reverting back to the 52
115 and 66A both withdrawn. Possible replaced by the new 15A/C circular service (I've heard this is going to Star City too)
914 frequency up to every 20 minutes from every 30 minutes (from what I've heard off other drivers)
904 extended from Falcon Lodge to Asda Minworth (via 914 route to Walmley, and 71 route to Minworth)
902/5 frequency up to every 20 minutes from every 30 minutes
There are changes for the 66 route too, but I don't know what these are
Quote from: John on July 31, 2015, 07:32:50 PM
952 reverting back to the 52
115 and 66A both withdrawn. Possible replaced by the new 15A/C circular service (I've heard this is going to Star City too)
914 frequency up to every 20 minutes from every 30 minutes (from what I've heard off other drivers)
904 extended from Falcon Lodge to Asda Minworth (via 914 route to Walmley, and 71 route to Minworth)
902/5 frequency up to every 20 minutes from every 30 minutes
http://jp.networkwestmidlands.com/centro/XSLT_TTB_REQUEST?language=en&hideBannerInfo=1&command=direct&line=3315A&net=cen&project=y11&sup=%20&lineVer=1&itdLPxx_direction=H&itdLPxx_line=3315A&itdLPxx_net=cen&itdLPxx_project=y11&itdLPxx_sup=%20&itdLPxx_lineVer=1&outputFormat=0&itdLPxx_debug=
Doesn't look like the 15a is going to Star city atm
That only what I'd heard, I wasn't sure on that one. Thanks for that
@monkeyjoe . So the 15 circular is doing what I thought and replacing both the 115 and 66A
Interesting to have a look through - shame the 52/52A are stopping at each stop - adds about 5 mins extra onto the old 952 journey.
Quote from: John on July 31, 2015, 07:32:50 PM
914 frequency up to every 20 minutes from every 30 minutes (from what I've heard off other drivers) - I hope so! ;)
904 extended from Falcon Lodge to Asda Minworth (via 914 route to Walmley, and 71 route to Minworth)
I wonder if the "new" 904 will turn left out of Lodge Crescent onto Churchill Road, then right onto Springfield Road, thus cutting out the Churchill Parade "terminus" .... be interesting to see.
Quote from: John on July 31, 2015, 07:32:50 PM
952 reverting back to the 52
115 and 66A both withdrawn. Possible replaced by the new 15A/C circular service (I've heard this is going to Star City too)
914 frequency up to every 20 minutes from every 30 minutes (from what I've heard off other drivers)
904 extended from Falcon Lodge to Asda Minworth (via 914 route to Walmley, and 71 route to Minworth)
902/5 frequency up to every 20 minutes from every 30 minutes
There are changes for the 66 route too, but I don't know what these are
Is the 904 being reduced to every 20 minutes to fit in with the every 7 minutes frequency with the 902/5
I can see the 904 being every 20/30 mins with the return of the 904e between bham and sutton maybe?
Quote from: Liberator9 on July 31, 2015, 09:22:28 PM
Interesting to have a look through - shame the 52/52A are stopping at each stop - adds about 5 mins extra onto the old 952 journey.
If you want fast from those areas you've got the X51. Seen plenty of people get off the 952 from Beeches at Tower Hill and catch the X51 from there.
Personally loving this change means the Walsall road corridor is getting a 5 min frequency into town, and much needed extra capacity through Birchfield and Newtown.
Wondering if the 907 is going to be increased as well now it doesn't have any sort of fitted frequency with the 952 on the semi-fast section.
Interesting though that after so long of the Perry Beeches loop it's now kinda going back to the original 52/59 services.
Quote from: Liberator9 on July 31, 2015, 09:22:28 PM
Interesting to have a look through - shame the 52/52A are stopping at each stop - adds about 5 mins extra onto the old 952 journey.
It will be nice having an extra bus between City and Perry Barr. At one time there was the 33, 51, 52 and 107. Then we lost half to Limited stop services. Great if you live further than Perry Barr, but infuriating if you are waiting for a bus along the Birchfield Rd and Aston and see a 907, 934, 935, 936, 952, 997, X51 fly past.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on August 01, 2015, 12:35:22 PM
It will be nice having an extra bus between City and Perry Barr. At one time there was the 33, 51, 52 and 107. Then we lost half to Limited stop services. Great if you live further than Perry Barr, but infuriating if you are waiting for a bus along the Birchfield Rd and Aston and see a 907, 934, 935, 936, 952, 997, X51 fly past.
There was the 34 years ago too!
4937 is on 33s today if anyone's interested
Quote from: John on August 01, 2015, 01:56:38 PM
4937 is on 33s today if anyone's interested
4934 is too
Anybody know what type of bus are being used on the 52/52A?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on August 04, 2015, 07:46:23 AM
Anybody know what type of bus are being used on the 52/52A?
Omnilinks I would assume
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on August 04, 2015, 07:46:23 AM
Anybody know what type of bus are being used on the 52/52A?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 04, 2015, 08:17:10 AM
Omnilinks I would assume
If there's enough of them. Don't forget the new 15A/C will need more than the current 66A does
I have a wild theory that we will get some more Enviro400s (possibly ex-Walsall) for it. I would imagine it would be too busy for single decks.
Also 4256 has gained an LED side display, on 65s today
Quote from: John on August 04, 2015, 04:46:51 PM
I have a wild theory that we will get some more Enviro400s (possibly ex-Walsall) for it. I would imagine it would be too busy for single decks.
Also 4256 has gained an LED side display, on 65s today
Well the E40D's on the 934/5/6 are going to BC so I doubt it.
Why has 1 of the gemmi's at PB got green on the top deck near to the front
think it was one of the 45** batch
Quote from: Michael Bevan on August 05, 2015, 12:40:11 PM
Well the E40D's on the 934/5/6 are going to BC so I doubt it.
Was that confirmed or just a rumour floating around?
Plus plans can change as these route changes were not in the pipeline when that was mentioned.
Quote from: John on August 05, 2015, 03:36:45 PM
Was that confirmed or just a rumour floating around?
Plus plans can change as these route changes were not in the pipeline when that was mentioned.
Yes it has been confirmed that they will transfer to BC and that 4884 will also be named after Ronnie Morgan when transferred.
Any idea which route will be getting them then? The 70 lol
Would make most sense for them to be used on the Bristol Road - it there's enough
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 05, 2015, 07:54:57 PM
Would make most sense for them to be used on the Bristol Road - it there's enough
I do not think there is enough for the Bristol Road I think it would make the most sense to use them on the 45, 47, 60 and 24 as tridents are still being used on the 45 and 47 the others could then be used on the 60 to make it fully Enviro 400.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 05, 2015, 07:43:00 PM
Any idea which route will be getting them then? The 70 lol
I'd imagine (if they go to BC- I do not recall this being confirmed) they will be used to make sure the Pershore Rd is all E400's. I'd imagine spares will be used so that the 24/60 are majority E400.
O i see
With 4895-4913, and 4940-49, there should already be enough to cover the Pershore Road. But BC will need more low emission vehicles for the future LEZ changes so it makes sense to start cascading Euro 5 vehicles there. The 24 has been largely Trident operated since the Pershore Road upgrade, after being mainly E400 operated so I would expect that to be addressed.
The Bristol Road is well overdue a set of brand new buses IMHO.
I thought there was already enough for the Pershore Rd myself.
Quote from: Mike K on August 05, 2015, 09:06:03 PM
With 4895-4913, and 4940-49, there should already be enough to cover the Pershore Road. But BC will need more low emission vehicles for the future LEZ changes so it makes sense to start cascading Euro 5 vehicles there. The 24 has been largely Trident operated since the Pershore Road upgrade, after being mainly E400 operated so I would expect that to be addressed.
The Bristol Road is well overdue a set of brand new buses IMHO.
There will not be enough ex 934/5/6 to cover for the Bristol Road though,so I agree and expect. That the number of tridents on the 24 and 60 will be addressed. I think that the 94, 126, 61 and 63 and 97 are all very likely options for new buses in 2016 though, all of witch are very overdue.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 05, 2015, 09:16:53 PM
I thought there was already enough for the Pershore Rd myself.
There was a trident on there last night.
I'll be glad to see the back of them at walsall! They're good buses but so boring! They're all the same!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 05, 2015, 10:07:19 PM
I'll be glad to see the back of them at walsall! They're good buses but so boring! They're all the same!
I can only assume you're talking about the tridents? They're decent buses, especially for their age. I'd have say, the 46** batch tridents at BC are the best, and notably different, to say, the 41** batch. The last one I rode on was one of the 463*'s - on the 24. It was above average, to say the least! It was a quick bus, nippy doen Court Oak Road - with a ferocious sounding engine... They may seem generic now, but to me, I feel like the ALXs could be the next Metrobus (debatable). Though, you can't beat a good B7TL! :P ;)
No - I think BU07LGO was actually referring to the Enviro 400s at WA :) I can see where he's coming from - they are good but do seem a bit of a boring prospect to drive with the poor acceleration.
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 06, 2015, 07:13:15 AM
No - I think BU07LGO was actually referring to the Enviro 400s at WA :) I can see where he's coming from - they are good but do seem a bit of a boring prospect to drive with the poor acceleration.
My bad. :P I assumed only because the post above was on about tridents... Nevertheless, I can't say I really have an opinion on the WA Enviros...
@clayderman That's fine :P Easy mistake to make - I've done it in the past!
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 06, 2015, 07:13:15 AM
No - I think BU07LGO was actually referring to the Enviro 400s at WA :) I can see where he's coming from - they are good but do seem a bit of a boring prospect to drive with the poor acceleration.
Yeah I mean the 61 and 13 plate enviros! Thjey do their job well and have never let me down but they are so dull and boring! To be honest the 13 plates seem good now, they've just hit 100,000 miles and a few drivers that remember them when they were new said they have definitely got quicker!
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 06, 2015, 08:11:28 PM
@clayderman
That's fine :P Easy mistake to make - I've done it in the past!
... and to think. I practically wrote an essay on the Tridents! lol! :P
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 06, 2015, 08:30:44 PM
Yeah I mean the 61 and 13 plate enviros! They do their job well and have never let me down but they are so dull and boring! To be honest the 13 plates seem good now, they've just hit 100,000 miles and a few drivers that remember them when they were new said they have definitely got quicker!
Well, with my experiences of PB's 61 plate E400s, I think they're not the best in the fleet, either... I can agree with you there, they do seem dull and boring. I think my last ride on a 61 plate was during term time, where 4855(?) appeared on the 101. Nice change to the Tridents, though, it jolted quite a lot... :-\
:P Still interesting to read about the Tridents!
The ones I've been on at WA and BC have always been fairly good - glad that some are starting to speed up at last - gear ratios been changed again? Two good ones I know of are 4944 and 4860 - both quite good. Quite a change for a bus to gain speed as it ages as opposed to lose it ;D Quite glad my daily trip is Scanias and Tridents - never dull and both good bus types ;)
Wouldn't surprise me if your ride jolted a lot
@clayderman - some of the E400 suspension at times is fairly jolty - varies though on the bus etc.
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 06, 2015, 09:11:20 PM
:P Still interesting to read about the Tridents!
The ones I've been on at WA and BC have always been fairly good - glad that some are starting to speed up at last - gear ratios been changed again? Two good ones I know of are 4944 and 4860 - both quite good. Quite a change for a bus to gain speed as it ages as opposed to lose it ;D Quite glad my daily trip is Scanias and Tridents - never dull and both good bus types ;)
Wouldn't surprise me if your ride jolted a lot @clayderman - some of the E400 suspension at times is fairly jolty - varies though on the bus etc.
I'm yet to go on a scania that is fast!! All the Walsall ones are slow. They are the best looking vehicles by far
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 06, 2015, 09:11:20 PM
:P Still interesting to read about the Tridents!
The ones I've been on at WA and BC have always been fairly good - glad that some are starting to speed up at last - gear ratios been changed again? Two good ones I know of are 4944 and 4860 - both quite good. Quite a change for a bus to gain speed as it ages as opposed to lose it ;D Quite glad my daily trip is Scanias and Tridents - never dull and both good bus types ;)
Wouldn't surprise me if your ride jolted a lot @clayderman - some of the E400 suspension at times is fairly jolty - varies though on the bus etc.
Yeah... The first (West Midlands) batch E40D's aren't my favourite... In fact, I quite like the exPN Trident E400s more, I suppose. There's some notable buses in that batch, of which the fleetnumbers escaped me - nevertheless, they're terrific vehicles for the 16, and certainly the 101.
Come term time in September, and onto Birmingham Central, I have a suspicion that the 24 will be almost 60% Tridents... ::) I feel like the "E400 to Hybrid to Trident" ratio is low, even prior to the Pershore Road upgrade... Oh well, can't wait the ex934/5/6 buses! ::) (Though the ALX400 legroom at the rear is phenomenal! I don't think there's a need for the 'feet off seats' stickers, personally.)
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 06, 2015, 09:18:21 PM
I'm yet to go on a scania that is fast!! All the Walsall ones are slow. They are the best looking vehicles by far
Acocks Greens are quite fast. Especially along the Newport Road and Chester Road, they will always go fast alone those roads on the 71 route ,or get one while you can that's running late and they will go fast on the whole of the 71 route.
Get a ride on a late running YW 6 Scania - they can really move! That last batch of 59/10 reg Scanias that AG and YW had are great. They have a different engine to the older Scanias. The Scanias up to 1907 have the Scania DC9 16 230 engine, whilst the 1909-1953 batch have the newer Scania DC9 30 230 engine.
That batch of 2009 E400s are great - really can move along at a pace! The ALX400s have a great set of legroom near the back - do like them from my very few rides on them.
My favourite mk2 enviro's are 4863,4867,4880,4882
Its interesting that on the 61 plate's the driver can switch the cctv monitor in the cab to the left or right hand side which is useful for tight gaps but on the new ones the button is dead and wont work!
@BU07 LGO Sounds a useful feature on those 61 reg ones, although very strange how the later ones don't have it working ???
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 06, 2015, 09:34:51 PM
@BU07 LGO
Sounds a useful feature on those 61 reg ones, although very strange how the later ones don't have it working ???
Yeah its most likely to save money, the strange thing is the button is still there on the newer ones
Yeah probably is - very strange how the button is just sitting there dead then :)
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 06, 2015, 09:32:34 PM
My favourite mk2 enviro's are 4863,4867,4880,4882
Its interesting that on the 61 plate's the driver can switch the cctv monitor in the cab to the left or right hand side which is useful for tight gaps but on the new ones the button is dead and wont work!
The MMCs, both 200 & 400 have that feature too. Can't see when you'd ever use it though to be honest.
1875 out on 28's, just passed it at Scott Arms at 1055
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 06, 2015, 09:32:34 PM
My favourite mk2 enviro's are 4863,4867,4880,4882
Its interesting that on the 61 plate's the driver can switch the cctv monitor in the cab to the left or right hand side which is useful for tight gaps but on the new ones the button is dead and wont work!
I've always wondered what that button did. On our 49**s, you have to hold the switch down in the direction you want or the screen goes back to the upper deck camera
Quote from: John on August 08, 2015, 03:26:46 PM
I've always wondered what that button did. On our 49**s, you have to hold the switch down in the direction you want or the screen goes back to the upper deck camera
Yes, ours does it too which is a bit of a shame but on 4880-4 the button is completely dead!
Quote from: WMT3000 on August 09, 2015, 02:13:50 PM
Crimson Pb 4812 is about to leave brum on the 952.
I may be wrong, but deckers aren't unusual on the 952 on Sundays, are they? Unless the noteworthy part of this post was that it was a Crimson Decker - but then again, the 952 are allocated the Crimson Scanias?
Quote from: clayderman on August 09, 2015, 05:26:31 PM
I may be wrong, but deckers aren't unusual on the 952 on Sundays, are they? Unless the noteworthy part of this post was that it was a Crimson Decker - but then again, the 952 are allocated the Crimson Scanias?
952 is an Enviro400 on a Sunday, but usually a 49**.
Quote from: John on August 09, 2015, 05:28:37 PM
952 is an Enviro400 on a Sunday, but usually a 49**.
Just wanted to double check. :) Thanks!
Quote from: clayderman on August 09, 2015, 05:26:31 PM
I may be wrong, but deckers aren't unusual on the 952 on Sundays, are they? Unless the noteworthy part of this post was that it was a Crimson Decker - but then again, the 952 are allocated the Crimson Scanias?
The crimson Scanias are usually allocated to the 952 and 28.
@clayderman
Quote from: 2206 on August 09, 2015, 06:00:13 PM
The crimson Scanias are usually allocated to the 952 and 28. @clayderman
@2206 A few have on the 66A
Quote from: RS on August 09, 2015, 06:17:57 PM
@2206 A few have on the 66A
A few have been on the 66A but they can usually bee found on the 28 and 952. I wander if they will do the 70** Scania Omnilinks aswell. I expect they will become a bit more common on the other services when they are all done.
would of thought they would of done the omnicity's first as there's only a few of them intio the new crismson livery
Quote from: Solo1 on August 09, 2015, 10:44:29 PM
would of thought they would of done the omnicity's first as there's only a few of them intio the new crismson livery
The Omnicity's were done last year so I suspect it will be a while before those are done again. The Scania Omnilinks at PB have never had a refurb and the 70** Omnilinks have not been reprinted before either. The current seats on these are very warn. So I am not surprised these were done before the Omnicity's .
Quote from: John on August 04, 2015, 04:46:51 PM
I have a wild theory that we will get some more Enviro400s (possibly ex-Walsall) for it. I would imagine it would be too busy for single decks.
I have heard this afternoon that we are getting some ex-Walsall Enviro400s for the 52/A
Quote from: John on August 10, 2015, 05:34:17 PM
I have heard this afternoon from a reliable source is that we are getting some ex-Walsall Enviro400s for the 52/A
Do you know whether they will be the 473* or, the 61 plate enviro 400s. Maybe it is only 4880 - 4884 going to BC.
Quote from: John on August 10, 2015, 05:34:17 PM
I have heard this afternoon from a reliable source is that we are getting some ex-Walsall Enviro400s for the 52/A
Wander if any Omnilinks will leave PB or will the ones off the 952 and 66 all be needed for the 15A/C.
Quote from: 2206 on August 10, 2015, 05:54:44 PM
Do you know whether they will be the 473* or, the 61 plate enviro 400s. Maybe it is only 4880 - 4884 going to BC.
No I don't. I would think they might be some of the 487*s
Quote from: 2206 on August 10, 2015, 05:58:25 PM
Wander if any Omnilinks will leave PB or will the ones off the 952 and 66 all be needed for the 15A/C.
I think we will have a couple extra, as the two off the 66A will be used on the 15A/C (One bus each way), so the ones that are taken off the 952 will be spare.
Quote from: John on August 10, 2015, 06:09:16 PM
No I don't. I would think they might be some of the 487*s
I think we will have a couple extra, as the two off the 66A will be used on the 15A/C (One bus each way), so the ones that are taken off the 952 will be spare.
Looking at the timetable a few will also come spare from the 66.
Quote from: John on August 10, 2015, 05:34:17 PM
I have heard this afternoon that we are getting some ex-Walsall Enviro400s for the 52/A
No comment >:(
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 10, 2015, 07:34:40 PM
No comment >:(
I do not think the Omnilink's would of coped. I use the 94 as it is my local route and the Geminis are not that bad as for Claribels they always seem to be running round empty on the 94, or they are carrying a low number of passenger at least you can get a enviro 400 on weekday evenings now.
Noted 1866 leaving Sutton town centre down Coleshill Road early afternoon running NIS, but with a couple of guys on board.
Speculation - route training for the 15C?
If it's of interest, 4827 and 4939 are both on the 33, I'm sure another 49** was yesterday too. I'm wondering if a branded bus off the road
Quote from: John on August 11, 2015, 05:13:28 PM
If it's of interest, 4827 and 4939 are both on the 33, I'm sure another 49** was yesterday too. I'm wondering if a branded bus off the road
And another 49** today. Currently parked at Pheasey
QuoteAnd another 49** today. Currently parked at Pheasey
....... meanwhile, on the 914/115 - 4482!
You're probably going to get fed up of me mentioning it!, but there is another 49** on the 33 today. There must be at least one 33 bus off the road at the minute
@Michael Bevan Not really unusual as Noteworthy is for vehicle types I believe.
Quote from: Dom on August 13, 2015, 01:46:20 PM
@Michael Bevan Not really unusual as Noteworthy is for vehicle types I believe.
@Dom it's Noteworthy since it's a PB bus on a WA route.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on August 13, 2015, 03:45:24 PM
@Dom it's Noteworthy since it's a PB bus on a WA route.
The route uses Enviro 400s whether a PB, or WA Enviro 400 it is still a Enviro 400.
I saw a Gemini on the 33 (poss. 4477). Seen as I was leaving City around 19:15. Not sure if according to the spreadsheet it's noteworthy or not, but I certainly looked twice!
Quote from: MW on August 13, 2015, 09:34:34 PM
I saw a Gemini on the 33 (poss. 4477). Seen as I was leaving City around 19:15. Not sure if according to the spreadsheet it's noteworthy or not, but I certainly looked twice!
There's a few evening peak ones that run as 33E to garage from a day on the 94 so they'll usually be a Gemini
Quote from: Kevin on August 13, 2015, 09:39:30 PM
There's a few evening peak ones that run as 33E to garage from a day on the 94 so they'll usually be a Gemini
It wasn't a 33E, I can't remember if it was 33 Birmingham or 33 Pheasey, but it definately wasn't a 33E.
Quote from: MW on August 13, 2015, 09:34:34 PM
I saw a Gemini on the 33 (poss. 4477). Seen as I was leaving City around 19:15. Not sure if according to the spreadsheet it's noteworthy or not, but I certainly looked twice!
Yeah, it was 4477. I saw it around 18:25-ish in Kingstanding. It was nice to see it on the 33!
Surprised how many people acturely got on 1870 on the Hobs Moat Road mistaking it for a 17 and thinking it was going to the City Centre with a driver advising them to stay on to the Fox And Goose and catch the 94
Quote from: 2206 on August 15, 2015, 06:54:38 PM
Surprised how many people acturely got on 1870 on the Hobs Moat Road mistaking it for a 17 and thinking it was going to the City Centre with a driver advising them to stay on to the Fox And Goose and catch the 94
I had someone once get all the way to Dyas Road thinking I was going to the City Centre!
Quote from: John on August 15, 2015, 07:00:02 PM
I had someone once get all the way to Dyas Road thinking I was going to the City Centre!
There were 4 people on 1870. Interesting to hear that
@John would of thought people would acturely look at the destination display to see whether it is acturely going to the City Centre before they board a bus to Scott Arms. I wander if they looked at the shape of the bus instead of the destination display. Must be a regular thing then.
4252 is on the 94 this seems to be happening less and less often these days.
Quote from: 2206 on August 15, 2015, 07:10:39 PM
There were 4 people on 1870. Interesting to hear the hat @John would of thought people would acturely look at the destination display to see whether it is acturely going to the City Centre before they board a bus to Scott Arms. I wander if they looked at the shape of the bus instead of the destination display. Must be a regular thing then.
I had 4299 and people would have a quick glance see it didn't have led destination and look away only to jump up at the last minute!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 15, 2015, 08:21:14 PM
I had 4299 and people would have a quick glance see it didn't have led destination and look away only to jump up at the last minute!
But to acturely board the 28 thinking it was a 17? 1870 has a LED destination.
@BU07 LGO
Quote from: 2206 on August 15, 2015, 09:05:01 PM
But to acturely board the 28 thinking it was a 17? 1870 has a LED destination. @BU07 LGO
I know,was just giving an example of how people have a glance at the bus type and decide from that if its their bus!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 15, 2015, 09:06:32 PM
I know,was just giving an example of how people have a glance at the bus type and decide from that if its their bus!
Sorry
@BU07 LGO read your comment a bit to quickly and misunderstood what you had said
Quote from: 2206 on August 15, 2015, 08:01:04 PM
4252 is on the 94 this seems to be happening less and less often these days.
yeah its mainly Gem's now I rarely see any other bus type on the 94 anymore
Quote from: 2206 on August 16, 2015, 12:04:16 PM
@Squiz1971 a Enviro 400 dose the 21:15 from the City Centre quite often. I agree it is mainly Gemini operated with some Enviro 400's in the evenings.
The 21:15 journey is just on a normal 94 running board, very rarely an Enviro
E400 4934 on 94 seen on Wahwood Heath Road not sure wot branding it has. Saw it 15 mins tho while I was on 72
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 17, 2015, 09:52:05 AM
E400 4934 on 94 seen on Wahwood Heath Road not sure wot branding it has. Saw it 15 mins tho while I was on 72
Group Daysaver branded
Quote from: John on August 17, 2015, 09:53:28 AM
Group Daysaver branded
Cheers
@John saw the branding better on Priory Queensway as 4934 pulled up by B & M while I was waiting for the 72 to go home an hour ago.
2 B7TL ALX400 on the 94 today. I think they were 4242 and 4278
Quote from: 2206 on August 17, 2015, 04:41:28 PM
2 B7TL ALX400 on the 94 today. I think they were 4242 and 4246
4278 is/was also on the 94 saw it about 11:15 on inward journey bottom end of Washwood heath road by the s bends
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 17, 2015, 04:49:09 PM
4278 is/was also on the 94 saw it about 11:15 on inward journey bottom end of Washwood heath road by the s bends
Probably saw that one saw it pulled out of the stop before the Fox and Goose this morning, strange why before Saturday all that was appearing on the 94 was Geminis with the odd Enviro 400 when required the B7TL ALX400 have only started reappearing over the last few days?
A bit random but do we think when the Sutton routes go Platinum next year the 67/65/46 will get the cast offs and the 94 will get new buses or potentially the other way round. Just bored and curious. :-\
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 18, 2015, 09:12:24 PM
A bit random but do we think when the Sutton routes go Platinum next year the 67/65/46 will get the cast offs and the 94 will get new buses or potentially the other way round. Just bored and curious. :-\
Was Platinum comfirmed? I personally can not see the Suttons going Platinum. New Crimson MMCs maybe in a few years
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 18, 2015, 09:12:24 PM
A bit random but do we think when the Sutton routes go Platinum next year the 67/65/46 will get the cast offs and the 94 will get new buses or potentially the other way round. Just bored and curious. :-\
@monkeyjoe I think next year the 97, 126, 94 and Bristol Road will all be possible routes witch may get new buses
Quote from: John on August 18, 2015, 09:14:29 PM
Was Platinum comfirmed? I personally can not see the Suttons going Platinum. New Crimson MMCs maybe in a few years
That isn't a bad thought when you think the 934/5/6 have gone Platinum. 902/4/5 aren't exactly bad candidates, the branding could carry on with a similar scheme albeit different colours.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on August 18, 2015, 09:17:58 PM
That isn't a bad thought when you think the 934/5/6 have gone Platinum. 902/4/5 aren't exactly bad candidates, the branding could carry on with a similar scheme albeit different colours.
Well the 900/957, X51/997 and 934/935/936 have all gone Platinum. Now I'm seeing a pattern here so unless they either decide to break the pattern or turn the 966 Platinum, I think the Sutton's should be next. I've also heard NXWM are ordering more Platinum's.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on August 19, 2015, 07:05:20 AM
Well the 900/957, X51/997 and 934/935/936 have all gone Platinum. Now I'm seeing a pattern here so unless they either decide to break the pattern or turn the 966 Platinum, I think the Sutton's should be next. I've also heard NXWM are ordering more Platinum's.
I very highly doubt that!
As nice as the idea is, I cant see it lasting, look at the last two attempts with the 4680-4686 gteminis and the premier enviros for the 997's. They seem to fade out and end up back to normal after a few years
Somewhat unusually, 7023 worked the 2330 907 out of Scutter this evening.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on August 20, 2015, 12:26:17 AM
Somewhat unusually, 7023 worked the 2330 907 out of Scutter this evening.
It was replacing a Gemini which had a broken destination board.
I'm told 1800 and 1820 are currently at Perry Barr.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on August 20, 2015, 09:39:58 PM
I'm told 1800 and 1820 are currently at Perry Barr.
1820 was on the 7 this evening.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on August 20, 2015, 09:39:58 PM
I'm told 1800 and 1820 are currently at Perry Barr.
Probably will be until Tuesday, covering for the B7s at Walsall
763 named Kitty Samra
Dose anyone know what time will 1871 next be at the Fox And Goose please.
Quote from: 2206 on August 21, 2015, 01:28:54 PM
Dose anyone know what time will 1871 next be at the Fox And Goose please.
I saw 1871 going across Coleshill road towards the Fox about 15 mins ago. I was waiting for 72 on Chipperfield Road
I saw a Scania Omnilink, I think 7021 being driven towards Bromford, coming from Fox & Goose, NIS.
Quote from: MW on August 21, 2015, 03:00:21 PM
I saw a Scania Omnilink, I think 7021 being driven towards Bromford, coming from Fox & Goose, NIS.
Probably going back to the garage after finishing on the 28
@MW
Quote from: 2206 on August 21, 2015, 03:17:36 PM
Probably going back to the garage after finishing on the 28 @MW
Not at that time of day. Maybe it was adjusted due to late running
A bit of a random question, why have the 94s suddently started using Bromford Rd to get back to the garage. It would make sense if garage short journeys ended at Castle Brom Heathlands Av from Pine Sq, but as far as I am aware you don't get Chelmsley Wood - Castle Brom garage journeys. Is it because the Collector from Chelmsley is too bust with the road works, just curious really.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 23, 2015, 05:31:52 PM
A bit of a random question, why have the 94s suddently started using Bromford Rd to get back to the garage. It would make sense if garage short journeys ended at Castle Brom Heathlands Av from Pine Sq, but as far as I am aware you don't get Chelmsley Wood - Castle Brom garage journeys. Is it because the Collector from Chelmsley is too bust with the road works, just curious really.
What time of day are you seeing these 94s using the Bromford Road and where about along the Bromford Road as the last 2 94's of the day terminate at the Fox And Goose that's the easiest way to get back to the garage
@monkeyjoe
Early evening 1900ish so clearly going back to the garage and today Sunday about 1700 hours.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 23, 2015, 09:13:58 PM
Early evening 1900ish so clearly going back to the garage and today Sunday about 1700 hours.
Must be comming back back from Chelmsley Wood they used to go back through Castle Vale after finishing in Chelmsley Wood
@monkeyjoe .
Quote from: 2206 on August 23, 2015, 09:49:41 PM
Must be comming back back from Chelmsley Wood they used to go back through Castle Vale after finishing in Chelmsley Wood @monkeyjoe .
Would you want to drive past M6 Junction 5 at the moment with all the roadworks?
Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2015, 09:57:07 PM
Would you want to drive past M6 Junction 5 at the moment with all the roadworks?
Thanks
@Tony for reminding me about them seemed to be causing quite a lot of trouble on the 28/71/966/67 including a 28E to Erdington but at 9PM? How long will the roadworks last?
764 is named Simron (or Simran, but I'm sure that name has already been used)
Quote from: John on August 24, 2015, 10:39:19 AM
764 is named Simron (or Simran, but I'm sure that name has already been used)
@John - 4845. Same garage as well! Almost like the two Scarlett's at WB, 4761 and 4980
Our Sutton buses are starting to get scrolling via points, I guess in preperation for the service changes. A Sutton Lines branded has, a ticket branded bus has and a '61' plate on the 914 has also.
Quote from: John on August 27, 2015, 10:15:17 AM
Our Sutton buses are starting to get scrolling via points, I guess in preperation for the service changes. A Sutton Lines branded has, a ticket branded bus has and a '61' plate on the 914 has also.
I prefer the static ones personally
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 27, 2015, 07:41:00 PM
I prefer the static ones personally
Didn't everyone? One thing I miss is the 'flexible possibilities' of how they could be programmed. For example, WB's recently "retired" displays on the 74E, showing like this:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4960.html
or these, from Coventry... (Service 20E, although the font on the '9' is top notch, also.)
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/2001-2129/2157.html
However, I must admit, I feel like the new displays, across the whole network, is starting to grow on me... ::) I think it's my inner perfectionist. Almost all of the displays are in an identical format. :P - Anyway, I guess all that really matters is that the routr and destination is clearly displayed.
Quote from: John on August 27, 2015, 10:15:17 AM
Our Sutton buses are starting to get scrolling via points, I guess in preperation for the service changes. A Sutton Lines branded has, a ticket branded bus has and a '61' plate on the 914 has also.
Some new additions are
914 inbound shows Via Kingsbury Road
902/4/5 show via Wylde Green
907 outbound only shows via College Road (inbound is still static)
1939 on the 66 at Chester Road/ Boldmere Road around 2000 last night.
Quote from: John on August 27, 2015, 10:15:17 AM
Our Sutton buses are starting to get scrolling via points, I guess in preperation for the service changes. A Sutton Lines branded has, a ticket branded bus has and a '61' plate on the 914 has also.
4921/35/39, I think .....
Quote from: Ossie on August 30, 2015, 12:28:37 PM
4921/35/39, I think .....
They all should have it now, as the new routes start from today
There is a Gemini in garage with 52A Booth's Farm Rd via Birchfield Rd on the display. LEDs show Perry Beeches on both. (I have noticed that either when it shows Hassop Rd or via Perry Barr, it comes up as Perry Beaches)
There is a Sutton E400 still with an old 905 display, so god help the driver if he has to go to Minworth
Quote from: John on August 31, 2015, 10:59:44 AM
There is a Gemini in garage with 52A Booth's Farm Rd via Birchfield Rd on the display. LEDs show Perry Beeches on both. (I have noticed that either when it shows Hassop Rd or via Perry Barr, it comes up as Perry Beaches)
There is a Sutton E400 still with an old 905 display, so god help the driver if he has to go to Minworth
What will the normal allocation for the 52/A be?
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 31, 2015, 11:01:37 AM
What will the normal allocation for the 52/A be?
Sunday service seems to be 2 Geminis, with 4493 been one. As for Monday to Saturday, I'm not sure. (Forget what I said about Enviro400s), but I could see it been a mix of OmniLink and deckers, for a while, until transfers may arrive.
Edit - 2 Geminis on today, 4502 is the other
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 31, 2015, 11:01:37 AM
What will the normal allocation for the 52/A be?
I was thinking it would be OmniLinks due to PB gaining some
So weird seeing 52 on a display again.... Especially On a Gemini
Equally weird seeing buses come up Beeches road and turning left. Harking back to the 28A a bit!
Weird to see a 15 climbing Penns Lane to make the Orphanage Road turn just after 7 this morning! Omnilink obviously. Could be quite a useful service for us Walmleyites.
Quote from: John on August 31, 2015, 12:38:26 PM
Sunday service seems to be 2 Geminis, with 4493 been one. As for Monday to Saturday, I'm not sure. (Forget what I said about Enviro400s), but I could see it been a mix of OmniLink and deckers, for a while, until transfers may arrive.
Edit - 2 Geminis on today, 4502 is the other
Two buses I've seen so far on the 52 are an OmniLink and a Gemini
I think the normal will be 4 Gemini & 4 Scania SD
Today
4 Scania
2 Gemini
1 E400
1 ?
Quote from: RS on September 01, 2015, 09:43:17 AM
Which one?
None of PB's are showing as being on there
Quote from: Tony on September 01, 2015, 09:48:35 AM
Which one?
None of PB's are showing as being on there
You had 1? And I said 1 of those as a guess
The 33 branding has been amended to read 'Every 10 minutes'
So has the 51
Quote from: Tony on September 01, 2015, 09:41:51 AM
I think the normal will be 4 Gemini & 4 Scania SD
Today
4 Scania
2 Gemini
1 E400
1 ?
2 E400s passed me in Newtown, but not sure if peaks still require more buses
Noticed the Volvo Gem things this morning the advertising panels looking a bit shabby on 3 94's could this be to make way for new branding or new adverts, ummmm.
4828 - is on the 94 today not seen one of the EX PE 48** on the 94 for a while.
Have we any idea when 4927 might be set to return?
I'm wondering if whether it might get Sutton Lines branding as there are now more buses on there with the changes. Either that or without any ticket branding
52a being changed again already. Must be complaints from residents
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 07, 2015, 10:14:01 PM
52a being changed again already. Must be complaints from residents
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/20September2015.aspx
Changes now up on Network West Midlands website
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 07, 2015, 10:14:01 PM
52a being changed again already. Must be complaints from residents
Don't see what it can be changed to, it says on the NWM site that it's becoming a one way loop but that's what it already does.
The bus stop on the Walsall road at the top of Booths Farm Road doesn't have the 52A displayed on it atm suggesting it actually goes another way maybe along Foden Road back to Beeches Road, but I've seen a few coming along the Walsall road towards Tower Hill instead
Interesting that 7/46 no longer serve colmore row. Are they going to just turn left out of colmore row onto snow hill queensway?
Quote from: Chris on September 08, 2015, 08:11:57 AM
Interesting that 7/46 no longer serve colmore row. Are they going to just turn left out of colmore row onto snow hill queensway?
Yes. Turn left out of Livery Street, to Snow Hill Queensway
Crimson Omnilink 1863 is on today's Cap Gemini. Just had it on the 907A.
Quote from: John on September 08, 2015, 11:07:32 AM
Yes. Turn left out of Livery Street, to Snow Hill Queensway
That actually makes a lot more sense
Quote from: Kevin on September 08, 2015, 06:41:46 AM
Don't see what it can be changed to, it says on the NWM site that it's becoming a one way loop but that's what it already does.
The bus stop on the Walsall road at the top of Booths Farm Road doesn't have the 52A displayed on it atm suggesting it actually goes another way maybe along Foden Road back to Beeches Road, but I've seen a few coming along the Walsall road towards Tower Hill instead
52a was turning around at Turnberry road meaning 10 min frequency both ways on Beeches Rd, but assuming Turnberry must be to tight with the parked cars so reason for change.
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4779.html
Can someone explain what this picture is all about?
Quote from: JB93 on September 11, 2015, 11:12:17 AM
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4779.html
Can someone explain what this picture is all about?
I presume it ended the journey as an Omnilink!
Decker's cant pass under the railway bridges on The Radleys & also Park Lane leaving Castle Vale
Quote from: JB93 on September 11, 2015, 11:12:17 AM
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4779.html
Can someone explain what this picture is all about?
IIRC - It wasn't in service at the time and that particular display was only for the photo? Wasn't it 4779 that was on loan to AG, a while back? I recall someone, I presume Tony, mentioning a DD Scania on the 11A.
Quote from: broma1k on September 11, 2015, 06:54:34 PM
Decker's cant pass under the railway bridges on The Radleys & also Park Lane leaving Castle Vale
The 71 dose not pass under a low bridge at The Radleys follows the same route as the 70 around there and that uses Tridents.
@broma1k
Quote from: clayderman on September 11, 2015, 07:09:19 PM
IIRC - It wasn't in service at the time and that particular display was only for the photo? Wasn't it 4779 that was on loan to AG, a while back? I recall someone, I presume Tony, mentioning a DD Scania on the 11A.
I do recall someone mentioning one doing a 11C
@clayderman It is not acturley on the 71 I think NX were doing shuttles to the NEC that day
Correct
@2206 it was on a shuttle from Solihull to the World Resort at the NEC. That display is just for the camera
Quote from: John on September 12, 2015, 06:57:40 PM
?? Not unusual in the slightest
They are becoming quite unusual on the 94 now quite rare to get one on there usually fully Gemini.
@John
Quote from: 2206 on September 12, 2015, 07:23:41 PM
They are becoming quite unusual on the 94 now quite rare to get one on there usually fully Gemini.
@John
I do agree with what you say about the Geminis, but it is still not unusual for an ALX400 to be on there too. There was 3 on there yesterday
Quote from: John on September 12, 2015, 07:30:36 PM
I do agree with what you say about the Geminis, but it is still not unusual for an ALX400 to be on there too. There was 3 on there yesterday
Very rarely on there before the 52 started. What I have noticed is since the 952 converted to the 52 there have been 1 or, 2 but, with the Scania's now arriving at PB for the 52 the 94 is being converted back to fully Gemini seems to be usualy fully Gemini now anyway.
@John
761 - Summer
762 - Can't remember this one (double barreled name though)
763 - Kitty Samra
764 - Simron
There's a s/d currently on the 914, (one of the 70xx's I think), being followed by either 4487 or 4489 on the 904. Both were heading towards Sutton around 1/2 hour ago.
Quote from: Ossie on September 14, 2015, 11:16:24 AM
There's a s/d currently on the 914, (one of the 70xx's I think), being followed by either 4487 or 4489 on the 904. Both were heading towards Sutton around 1/2 hour ago.
7033, just arrived in City
@nxwmbusfan1999 Sounds like it could be one of the AM extras off a School service. Usually an ALX400
@37351ml Before the timetable changes last month, a 907 board used to go onto the 904 in Sutton (ran dead from City off 907) around 5pm and stayed on there all night. I'm not sure if it still does it, but it might have been the one you saw yesterday. This meant that one bus on the late nights would be a B7TL or OmniCity
Train tickets are apparently currently being accepted on the 98, 99, 65, 67, 902, 904 and 905
Quote from: 2206 on September 19, 2015, 04:23:19 PM
Train tickets are apparently currently being accepted on the 98, 99, 65, 67, 902, 904 and 905
The cross city line must be down again. We get that call a few times a month when trains are cancelled
4817 now has the Edward Littlehales name reappled, first new livery bus to have a 'name plaque' applied. It is named on both sides now as well
4484 has gained an orange LED destination display on the side.
Circa 1730, 4806 (I think) was Not in Service (from the 101; on Hingeston Street) - after a passenger was allegedly theived of their phone - That's what I heard from some passengers who boarded the bus I was on... Police were at the scene.
Quote from: Tony on September 21, 2015, 09:48:41 AM
4817 now has the Edward Littlehales name reappled, first new livery bus to have a 'name plaque' applied. It is named on both sides now as well
Has this been out since having its name applied in the 'new style name plaque'
Quote from: Dom on October 01, 2015, 09:59:50 PM
Has this been out since having its name applied in the 'new style name plaque'
Yes it was on the 16 on September 19th and had the name applied
@Dom
How is the 904 doing between the Lodge and Asda?
Quote from: Dutsey on October 02, 2015, 09:14:02 AM
How is the 904 doing between the Lodge and Asda?
I haven't done it yet but I've seen one of PB's E40D's haven't had the destination board updated or the driver hasn't found Minworth on it since it keeps displaying '904 Falcon Lodge'. Forgot what number it was.
4829 is on the 33
4798 on the cap gemini
Quote from: Nxwm on October 05, 2015, 03:26:43 PM
4798 on the cap gemini
Just departed North Birmingham Academy on the 907A. It's on CG for the next two weeks.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 05, 2015, 03:48:21 PM
Just departed North Birmingham Academy on the 907A. It's on CG for the next two weeks.
I passed it earlier looked rather nice!
On which days and at what times does the cap Gemini run?
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on October 06, 2015, 04:00:35 PM
On which days and at what times does the cap Gemini run?
Runs M-F. Not sure about the times, but it is not a service available to the public. You have to work at Cap Gemini to be able to get on it, if that whats you want (you will have to do the afternoon 907A from North Birmingham Acadamy if you want to ride on it)
I would like a ride but more bothered to at least see it and get a photo of it before it's gone. Thanks for the info
@John :)
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on October 06, 2015, 04:21:16 PM
I would like a ride but more bothered to at least see it and get a photo of it before it's gone. Thanks for the info @John :)
It leaves North Birmingham Academy at 15:43.
4827 is out on the 33.
Another stabbing on the 94 over opening a window, oh dear.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 06, 2015, 11:15:00 PM
Another stabbing on the 94 over opening a window, oh dear.
So many totally uncivilised, non house-trained, feral savages free to roam the streets. We're too soft on knife crime no matter what the politicians bleat.
4927 is on it's way back (credit to
@Tony who posted a photo on Facebook).
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 10, 2015, 12:24:58 PM
4927 is on it's way back (credit to @Tony who posted a photo on Facebook).
Link please?
My job for today was to take 4804 away for warranty repairs
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4804.html
and bring long missing 4927 back from it's fire damage repairs back to Perry Barr
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4927.html
Quote from: Tony on October 10, 2015, 06:34:06 PM
and bring long missing 4927 back from it's fire damage repairs back to Perry Barr
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4927.html
Seeing 4927 for the first time since repairs (even if that is through a computer screen), I must say, it looks immaculate! And I quite like it plain; looks like new! Any ideas if there's plans for it to be rebranded? Or possibly even repainted(?), since the branding on the front was undamaged, I imagine.
Quote from: clayderman on October 10, 2015, 09:29:49 PM
Seeing 4927 for the first time since repairs (even if that is through a computer screen), I must say, it looks immaculate! And I quite like it plain; looks like new! Any ideas if there's plans for it to be rebranded? Or possibly even repainted(?), since the branding on the front was undamaged, I imagine.
It looks like its had a full repaint there. I'm wondering if it might gain Sutton route branding as extras are now needed on there than before the changes
Quote from: John on October 10, 2015, 09:33:49 PM
It looks like its had a full repaint there. I'm wondering if it might gain Sutton route branding as extras are now needed on there than before the changes
I was thinking that - the fresh lick of paint, not the branding. Although, should Sutton Lines branding be applied to 4927, I would expect the '904' part of the branding to have been updated.
Also, it's just occurred to me that my last post was cut a bit short. I meant to say, "since *it looked like* the front branding was undamaged, they probably wouldn't of removed it." - Unless, and this does makes more sense, they removed it for the new coat of paint. :P
Quote from: John on October 10, 2015, 09:33:49 PM
It looks like its had a full repaint there. I'm wondering if it might gain Sutton route branding as extras are now needed on there than before the changes
Looks as if the rear downstairs window is still covered, So at least a little bit of its original price branding managed to survive.
Would make sense for it to get Sutton route branding though.
Quote from: Tony on October 10, 2015, 06:34:06 PM
My job for today was to take 4804 away for warranty repairs
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4804.html
That's a long warranty!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on October 11, 2015, 12:04:39 PM
That's a long warranty!
Yes, you see despite what people say about their products Alexander Dennis offer 12 year body warranties!
Quote from: Tony on October 11, 2015, 12:07:39 PM
Yes, you see despite what people say about their products Alexander Dennis offer 12 year body warranties!
Which is good with the issues going on with the E200MMC's & 400MMC's I guess not many companies would have such a long warranty
@Tony
Quote from: Squiz1971 on October 11, 2015, 12:30:30 PM
Which is good with the issues going on with the E200MMC's & 400MMC's I guess not many companies would have such a long warranty eh@Tony
You probably wouldn't buy an ADL vehicle without that warranty ! :P
Quote from: Tony on October 11, 2015, 12:07:39 PM
Yes, you see despite what people say about their products Alexander Dennis offer 12 year body warranties!
How do repaints work with the warranty? Surely adl can argue that it's not the original paint job so that has compromised the protection to the body?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on October 11, 2015, 05:59:56 PM
How do repaints work with the warranty? Surely adl can argue that it's not the original paint job so that has compromised the protection to the body?
On the other hand NXWM could argue that the original paintwork turned matt pink.
Quote from: Mike K on October 11, 2015, 07:02:36 PM
On the other hand NXWM could argue that the original paintwork turned matt pink.
They came all white iirc and they did the red front in house look at some of the old photos of the ex yw and ex WA enviros
Quote from: BU07 LGO on October 11, 2015, 07:11:23 PM
They came all white iirc and they did the red front in house look at some of the old photos of the ex yw and ex WA enviros
A lot of the 47xx did but I thought 4800-29 arrived fully painted. I may be wrong in that.
Quote from: Mike K on October 11, 2015, 07:14:06 PM
A lot of the 47xx did but I thought 4800-29 arrived fully painted. I may be wrong in that.
I seem to remember 4800-29 being delivered directly to BC, rather than WA, so they probably would have been painted before delivery.
Quote from: Mike K on October 11, 2015, 07:14:06 PM
A lot of the 47xx did but I thought 4800-29 arrived fully painted. I may be wrong in that.
@Mike K - you're correct, onlt the first batch of E400's 4760 onwards came in allover white as did some of the Scania Omnilinks during the change from TWM toothpaste livery to NXWM with radiator bars
Quote from: Winston on October 11, 2015, 07:17:48 PM
@Mike K - you're correct, onlt the first batch of E400's 4760 onwards came in allover white as did some of the Scania Omnilinks during the change from TWM toothpaste livery to NXWM with radiator bars
I seem to remember 4737 being the first version of the NXWM livery (orangey shade of red, and the front panel being white). Was that one delivered like that or delivered in white too? It was the only one at PB, except for the ones for the 993 if my memory is correct. The rest being toothpaste?
Quote from: Winston on October 11, 2015, 07:17:48 PM
@Mike K - you're correct, onlt the first batch of E400's 4738 onwards came in allover white as did some of the Scania Omnilinks during the change from TWM toothpaste livery to NXWM with radiator bars
Quote from: MW on October 11, 2015, 07:28:33 PM
I seem to remember 4737 being the first version of the NXWM livery (orangey shade of red, and the front panel being white). Was that one delivered like that or delivered in white too? It was the only one at PB, except for the ones for the 993 if my memory is correct. The rest being toothpaste?
4718-36 delivered in 'Toothpaste' livery. I'm sure that 4737 and the Yardley Wood Enviro400s were delivered like that (I also think 4769-76 were too). The Perry Barr DP buses (4763-7) were delivered in plain white. Tony pictures seem to confirm this
The Coventry OmniLinks were also delivered in white, all of the rest I'm sure were already painted before delivery
Quote from: MW on October 11, 2015, 07:28:33 PM
I seem to remember 4737 being the first version of the NXWM livery (orangey shade of red, and the front panel being white). Was that one delivered like that or delivered in white too? It was the only one at PB, except for the ones for the 993 if my memory is correct. The rest being toothpaste?
@MW Going off Tony's photo's, you're right, 4737 to circa 4759 came in basic red/white with white front panels, it then changed to allover white from 4760-67 possibly earlier as NX were still tinkering with livery application /shades of red etc then 4768-4776 back to basic red/white with white front panel
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4737.html
4800-4829 arrived in red and white iirc - there was a photo on this forum of one broken down on the Middleway in lane 2 on delivery I seem to remember - they had service 9 and 99 branding with route diagrams applied at BC - there were photos of this happening as well.
4738-4776 had a multitude of identities - at least three different logos and sometimes more than one on the same bus!! I didn't think any of them were in toothpaste livery though and entered service in red and white. The PB omnilinks were also in NX livery when they entered service - I took a photo of one at Showbus that year.
Quote from: don on October 11, 2015, 11:10:44 PM
4800-4829 arrived in red and white iirc - there was a photo on this forum of one broken down on the Middleway in lane 2 on delivery I seem to remember - they had service 9 and 99 branding with route diagrams applied at BC - there were photos of this happening as well.
4738-4776 had a multitude of identities - at least three different logos and sometimes more than one on the same bus!! I didn't think any of them were in toothpaste livery though and entered service in red and white. The PB omnilinks were also in NX livery when they entered service - I took a photo of one at Showbus that year.
It was only 1844-47 in red and white. The earlier ones, some were in toothpaste, and some were half toothpaste, basically without the silver/grey stripes.
Quote from: MW on October 12, 2015, 02:17:01 AM
It was only 1844-47 in red and white. The earlier ones, some were in toothpaste, and some were half toothpaste, basically without the silver/grey stripes.
1844-47 were delivered in allover white & fronts painted at WA, along with NXC's 1863-1877 (these had the addition of connector bars already applied)
Quote from: MW on October 12, 2015, 02:17:01 AM
It was only 1844-47 in red and white. The earlier ones, some were in toothpaste, and some were half toothpaste, basically without the silver/grey stripes.
Some of the Lea Hall ones in the 179x series entered service without the silver stripes which led me to think the silver stripes were applied at TWM/NX
Does anybody know the time CG bus leave birmingham please
try to find it and photo it
Quote from: Trident4583 on October 13, 2015, 11:25:13 AM
Does anybody know the time CG bus leave birmingham please
try to find it and photo it
Not sure on the times of it, but it looked like it was about to leave garage at 11.45am, so should see it by 1pm if you stand on Moor Street
Quote from: Trident4583 on October 13, 2015, 11:25:13 AM
Does anybody know the time CG bus leave birmingham please
try to find it and photo it
Well the 907A arrives in at 16:05. After it runs dead to do CG.
One working should be in town about 18:00, used to see it loading at Aston Cross about quarter to before my hours changed at work
Quote from: clayderman on October 10, 2015, 09:49:25 PM
I was thinking that - the fresh lick of paint, not the branding. Although, should Sutton Lines branding be applied to 4927, I would expect the '904' part of the branding to have been updated.
Also, it's just occurred to me that my last post was cut a bit short. I meant to say, "since *it looked like* the front branding was undamaged, they probably wouldn't of removed it." - Unless, and this does makes more sense, they removed it for the new coat of paint. :P
4927 is slowly being prepped for re-entry into service. Side logos were added when I saw it yesterday, and when I saw it this morning its fleetnumbers were reapplied. It still seems to be having work done on it, so not sure when it will be back in service
Quote from: John on October 14, 2015, 02:59:45 PM
4927 is slowly being prepped for re-entry into service. Side logos were added when I saw it yesterday, and when I saw it this morning its fleetnumbers were reapplied. It still seems to be having work done on it, so not sure when it will be back in service
Any idea if it will enter service by the end of this week or will it enter service on Monday?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 14, 2015, 03:07:57 PM
Any idea if it will enter service by the end of this week or will it enter service on Monday?
I would tend to say next week sometime but I honestly don't know
Not sure if mentioned and not the discovery of the year, but 4256 has orange led side destinations. ???
4927 out on the 7 should be leaving town at 16:25
Quote from: Nxwm on October 15, 2015, 04:20:50 PM
4927 out on the 7 should be leaving town at 16:25
It did look nearly ready for service when I saw it this morning in garage on my way home, with a front logo applied. It would be out on a School board. It would have looked better if the branding was taken off the back window though
4813 (on 16) was quite packed, after Colmore Circus - driver changed the blinds to 'Not in Service'. However, after I got off, at Hockley, it was back on the 16.
4927 back out on the 7 earlier
Quote from: John on October 15, 2015, 06:01:03 PM
It did look nearly ready for service when I saw it this morning in garage on my way home, with a front logo applied. It would be out on a School board. It would have looked better if the branding was taken off the back window though
The rest of the branding is being ordered so that it matches that bit on the back window. Get photos of it looking plain while you can
Well 4927 is on 902 now
@RS More than likely came off a school service. Not unusual in the peaks
4819 is sounding incredibly unhealthy, passed me a few times in Hamstead and just now on the Walsall road back to garage and it sounds like a sports truck
Quote from: Kevin on October 17, 2015, 07:41:00 PM
4819 is sounding incredibly unhealthy, passed me a few times in Hamstead and just now on the Walsall road back to garage and it sounds like a sports truck
Was Clarkson driving if it were a sports lorry haha?
1938 seems to be struggling on the 66 this morning, drivers had to give up in Nechells and phone garage
Has anyone seen 4798 on CG today?
Quote from: James4368 on October 20, 2015, 11:20:27 AM
Has anyone seen 4798 on CG today?
Should still be at PB. If you want it, it will be on the 907A later, 15:43 from North Birmingham Academy on College Road.
4927 had finally had its displays updated after running with the old version for last week. I have noticed today that it says 'Minworth, Asda' on the 904, as opposed to 'Minworth' . I haven't seen this destination on any of the others
Quote from: John on October 21, 2015, 01:16:02 PM
4927 had finally had its displays updated after running with the old version for last week. I have noticed today that it says 'Minworth, Asda' on the 904, as opposed to 'Minworth' . I haven't seen this destination on any of the others
I saw it yesterday on an inbound journey in Erdington, displaying 904 Falcon Lodge !
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 21, 2015, 01:20:54 PM
I saw it yesterday on an inbound journey in Erdington, displaying 904 Falcon Lodge !
Must have been done last night then (It was out all night though been the last 904E from City)
Quote from: John on October 21, 2015, 05:39:27 PM
Must have been done last night then (It was out all night though been the last 904E from City)
Apologies, I didn't catch the actual fleet number,
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 21, 2015, 05:44:21 PM
Apologies, I didn't catch the actual fleet number,
All I was saying was it must have been done before leaving garage on the late night board it was on at 7pm, or after it returned to garage at 1.52am. Don't apologize, I never said you were wrong or didn't see 4927 (as it sticks out like a sore thumb at the minute), just narrowing it down to when the destinations were updated :)
Quote from: John on October 21, 2015, 06:00:18 PM
All I was saying was it must have been done before leaving garage on the late night board it was on at 7pm, or after it returned to garage at 1.52am. Don't apologize, I never said you were wrong or didn't see 4927 (as it sticks out like a sore thumb at the minute), just narrowing it down to when the destinations were updated :)
If it helps, I saw it give or take 6.30 in the morning at Erdington yesterday
Do Geminis appear on the Sutton Lines & 914 everyday?
Quote from: Sh4318 on October 21, 2015, 09:09:38 PM
Do Geminis appear on the Sutton Lines & 914 everyday?
Not necessarily, but there's generally one or a couple about.
4500 on the 101
4920 seen on All Saints Way in West Bromwich today, heading towards Great Barr.
There is a Crimson Enviro400 on the Suttons tonight, with one of the night drivers
I think there is 2 ALX400 on also (at least one is off a School board), along with a Gemini too
Quote from: John on October 26, 2015, 07:10:29 PM
There is a Crimson Enviro400 on the Suttons tonight, with one of the night drivers
I think there is 2 ALX400 on also (at least one is off a School board), along with a Gemini too
Its 4804, I saw it doing an inboud 904E, I also saw a crimson E400 on a 902, dont know if it was 4804 earlier in the day
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 26, 2015, 11:55:17 PM
Its 4804, I saw it doing an inboud 904E, I also saw a crimson E400 on a 902, dont know if it was 4804 earlier in the day
4804 was on CG yesterday
Quote from: Dom on October 27, 2015, 07:11:50 AM
4804 was on CG yesterday
I saw it just after half 10 at night not to mention I also saw the demonstrator on CG
3 Volvo B7TL ALX400 and 4930 on the 94 this evening seen in 20 minutes
Has anybody noticed that 4484 has a LED side display?
Quote from: dw1308 on October 28, 2015, 08:50:07 AM
Has anybody noticed that 4484 has a LED side display?
For quite a while now, mate. :)
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 21, 2015, 01:07:47 PM
4484 has gained an orange LED destination display on the side.
4814 is on the 33
4933 is on the 7
Quote from: John on October 28, 2015, 02:56:15 PM
4814 is on the 33
4933 is on the 7
I'm confused, what makes this worthy of a mention?
Quote from: Bryan on October 28, 2015, 03:10:24 PM
I'm confused, what makes this worthy of a mention?
As the 33 normally has route branded 61 plate E400's buses as opposed the 09 plate 4814 that is on at the moment
The 7 is usually B7TL ALX400/Gems/omnicities or 09 plate E400's not 63 plate E400's
@Bryan plus some spotters would be interested in this post
Quote from: John on October 28, 2015, 02:56:15 PM
4814 is on the 33
4933 is on the 7
4855 was/is on the 16
4927 is on the 914 today
I saw 4914 at Erdington on the 904 displaying Falcon Lodge on an inbound journey at 6 in the morning !
Isn't there more interesting stuff going on a PB over the last couple weeks. Need some inside gossip rather than just bus observations. Meant in a banterish way (but kinda making a point).
Both 38s are in Crimson today - 1867 and 1871
3 48** are on the 902/904/905 - 4855, 4856 and there is another 48** on there
Quote from: 2206 on October 30, 2015, 05:14:06 PM
Both 38s are in Crimson today - 1867 and 1871
3 48** are on the 902/904/905 - 4855, 4856 and there is another 48** on there
Must be 4854 as 4853 is on the 52
Hi guys. I've just recieved this text from "NXWM" (I did not set the contact, it did it automatically) . I don't know if it's legitimate though so does anyone know if it's real or fake?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 30, 2015, 08:29:28 PM
Hi guys. I've just recieved this text from "NXWM" (I did not set the contact, it did it automatically) . I don't know if it's legitimate though so does anyone know if it's real or fake?
If only it was a week later or more!!
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 30, 2015, 08:29:28 PM
Hi guys. I've just recieved this text from "NXWM" (I did not set the contact, it did it automatically) . I don't know if it's legitimate though so does anyone know if it's real or fake?
Did that come from the same contact who said Central Buses were having new Citaro's? :P
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 30, 2015, 08:29:28 PM
Hi guys. I've just recieved this text from "NXWM" (I did not set the contact, it did it automatically) . I don't know if it's legitimate though so does anyone know if it's real or fake?
Did you get 1 when the Pensnett open day was announced ?!
Quote from: Winston on October 30, 2015, 09:02:46 PM
Did that come from contact who said Central Buses were having new Citaro's? :P
If only! Then this would all be sorted! It says "NXWM" but I don't think this is from NXWM.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 30, 2015, 09:04:59 PM
Did you get 1 when the Pensnett open day was announced ?!
No, which is why I'm puzzled about this. Is it real or fake?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 30, 2015, 09:28:34 PM
No, which is why I'm puzzled about this. Is it real or fake?
If there was a PB open day, I'm sure Tony would have told everyone by now with only 3 weeks to go, I think someone is having you on!
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 30, 2015, 09:28:34 PM
No, which is why I'm puzzled about this. Is it real or fake?
I get the feeling its fake as I get texts I'm owed 10 grand !
Did any other NX/ drivers get this message ?!
Quote from: Winston on October 30, 2015, 09:02:46 PM
Did that come from the same contact who said Central Buses were having new Citaro's? :P
If only there was a like button. :)
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 30, 2015, 09:31:55 PM
I get the feeling its fake as I get texts I'm owed 10 grand !
Did any other NX/ drivers get this message ?!
I honestly have no idea. I'm now worried about who sent this text and why.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 30, 2015, 09:33:04 PM
I honestly have no idea. I'm now worried about who sent this text and why.
Because maybe someone see's you as an easy target so used something they know you like to freak you out.
Quote from: Dom on October 30, 2015, 09:34:18 PM
Because maybe someone see's you as an easy target so used something they know you like to freak you out.
And how would you know?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 30, 2015, 09:36:05 PM
And how would you know?
Psychology, think about it. If you make obvious you like a certain hobby, as an example buses, they use this to then confuse and in a way take the piss out of someone, by saying something related to that hobby is happening this then makes the person believe it is true and therefore taking the piss and when it is proved wrong you get freaked out and they've done both in one.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 30, 2015, 09:36:05 PM
And how would you know?
@Michael Bevan , has anyone had access to your phone and changed there name or created a contact in your contacts for NXWM.
Only reason is that I once managed to change my name in a friends phone to ITV. She had entered one of those Who Wants To Be A Millionaire competitions and so i text her and told her she had won £10,000 and gave the number of ITV HQ in London to ring and the contact name of Chris to speak to. As you can imagine I was in someones bad books for a while, but looking at the email you were sent, it seems a clear hoax.
It's a shame that as bus spotters, we seem to get the butt of many jokes, it's a hobby just as good as any other hobby!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 30, 2015, 11:45:21 PM
@Michael Bevan , has anyone had access to your phone and changed there name or created a contact in your contacts for NXWM.
Only reason is that I once managed to change my name in a friends phone to ITV. She had entered one of those Who Wants To Be A Millionaire competitions and so i text her and told her she had won £10,000 and gave the number of ITV HQ in London to ring and the contact name of Chris to speak to. As you can imagine I was in someones bad books for a while, but looking at the email you were sent, it seems a clear hoax.
It's a shame that as bus spotters, we seem to get the butt of many jokes, it's a hobby just as good as any other hobby!
Nope. My phone has been with me all day. Tried ringing the number, it's just 6996 but doesn't go through.
I will be deleting my posts tomorrow so I don't fill up the thread with off topic posts.
4505 is on the 94
4504 is on the 52 and 52A
There is also a 448* Gemini on the 16
https://www.flickr.com/photos/48828195@N07/21677056594/in/photolist-z2wzH5
Been through the comments of this photo of 4798. Has it been returned to Volvo? Glad I got a ride on the PN Open Day!
Quote from: clayderman on November 03, 2015, 08:23:55 PM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/48828195@N07/21677056594/in/photolist-z2wzH5
Been through the comments of this photo of 4798. Has it been returned to Volvo? Glad I got a ride on the PN Open Day!
Don't think so. Saw something looking very similar pass One Stop about 7pm displaying "Private Hire CG"
Quote from: clayderman on November 03, 2015, 08:23:55 PM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/48828195@N07/21677056594/in/photolist-z2wzH5
Been through the comments of this photo of 4798. Has it been returned to Volvo? Glad I got a ride on the PN Open Day!
n
No, still with us today
Quote from: Kevin on November 03, 2015, 08:47:13 PM
Don't think so. Saw something looking very similar pass One Stop about 7pm displaying "Private Hire CG"
Quote from: John on November 03, 2015, 08:49:23 PM
No, still with us today
Alright, thanks for the clarification. :) I should probably inform the photographer.
4780 back on the road after having it's windows smashed in by Fairfax kids on Monday. Just departed Birmingham on the 7:50 907A.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 04, 2015, 07:57:52 AM
4780 back on the road after having it's windows smashed in by Fairfax kids on Monday. Just departed Birmingham on the 7:50 907A.
Bring back a good dose of corporal punishment for the little chavs
4928 appears to be on today's CG. Just pulled up to do the 907A. Has 4798 gone?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 04, 2015, 03:33:07 PM
4928 appears to be on today's CG. Just pulled up to do the 907A. Has 4798 gone?
Was on the CG this morning
@Tony has there ever been a open day at Perry Barr Garage
Quote from: nxwestmidlands1844 on November 04, 2015, 10:46:40 PM
@Tony has there ever been a open day at Perry Barr Garage
I think in the days of WMPTE there was.
But now
They Should
20th October 1985 from memory, I have the programme somewhere....
4853 is on CG this morning. Has 4798 gone?
4798 now at BC with all NXWM equipment removed ready to return to Volvo
Quote from: Tony on November 05, 2015, 02:41:16 PM
4798 now at BC with all NXWM equipment removed ready to return to Volvo
What will NXWM have gained from operating the vehicle. Did they have a specific reason for using it?
Quote from: RW on November 05, 2015, 03:25:59 PM
What will NXWM have gained from operating the vehicle. Did they have a specific reason for using it?
The use of a free bus for a few weeks? ;)
Quote from: RW on November 05, 2015, 03:25:59 PM
What will NXWM have gained from operating the vehicle. Did they have a specific reason for using it?
May be it gave them a sense of how Volvo vehicles now work under working conditions. With the problems currently going on with ADL, you can't fault them for looking elsewhere
Quote from: 37351ml on November 05, 2015, 04:51:43 AM
20th October 1985 from memory, I have the programme somewhere....
Correct. A few pics on Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/24146532@N02/3300907400
Where's the relief point for the 16? Is it markets?
Quote from: Dom on November 08, 2015, 03:34:11 PM
Where's the relief point for the 16? Is it markets?
Yes
Quote from: John on November 08, 2015, 05:18:04 PM
No, the relief is at Selborne Rd. Handsworth Wood
Oh ok
@John Thank you for your help
Do the 907/914 still interwork on Sunday's?
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 08, 2015, 08:38:21 PM
Do the 907/914 still interwork on Sunday's?
Not in the daytime.
Some late night journeys do. Some 907 boards include a late night 914 journey and vice versa
4819 on the 33 today
I heard some drivers talking today at the fire station that the 11A/C is transferring back to perry barr any truth in any of this?
4853 is now the 'official' bus for Cap Gemini.
Quote from: Nxwm on November 10, 2015, 03:38:45 PM
I heard some drivers talking today at the fire station that the 11A/C is transferring back to perry barr any truth in any of this?
Just been chatting to a driver I know. Word is 6 duties are going to PB. Also PB might be getting the 966 back.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 10, 2015, 05:00:01 PM
Just been chatting to a driver I know. Word is 6 duties are going to PB. Also PB might be getting the 966 back.
Would there be any room for the 11 at PB?
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 10, 2015, 05:14:26 PM
Would there be any room for the 11 at PB?
Well the bendies have gone so they should have room.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 10, 2015, 05:20:29 PM
Well the bendies have gone so they should have room.
The PVR of the 11 is much higher than 11 (the amount of bendies that PB had
I think)
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 10, 2015, 05:28:13 PM
The PVR of the 11 is much higher than 11 (the amount of bendies that PB had I think)
6 duties wouldn't need around 50 buses?
If PB do get any I would of thought the route would be split between PB and AG
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 10, 2015, 05:28:13 PM
The PVR of the 11 is much higher than 11 (the amount of bendies that PB had I think)
I said 6 duties not all of them.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 10, 2015, 05:35:05 PM
I said 6 duties not all of them.
Oh, I didn't see that, my bad ::)
Any idea when this is too happen?
I doubt PB would get anything on the 11, unless new school journeys were started. Reason being, AVL for the 11 is based at AG, and it'd surely complicate things if another garage were running parts of it, due to communication. They'd have to join AG and PB's radio then.
Quote from: MW on November 10, 2015, 10:56:26 PM
I doubt PB would get anything on the 11, unless new school journeys were started. Reason being, AVL for the 11 is based at AG, and it'd surely complicate things if another garage were running parts of it, due to communication. They'd have to join AG and PB's radio then.
There was a time when I believe the 11C was covered by PB & the 11A was covered by AG in the days of WMT/Buses/TWM not sure when AG took over the whole route. Someone may be able to clarify exact dates for the change over
Around 2005? Was not long after the branded Geminis arrived.
Quote from: Gareth on November 11, 2015, 01:03:41 PM
Around 2005? Was not long after the branded Geminis arrived.
Cheers
@Gareth I was not sure if that was around the time when the BX54 Gem's came into service or not thanks
Looking at Tony's photos of the BX54 batch, the ones new to PB transferred to AG in around July 2005
Quote from: Gareth on November 11, 2015, 01:13:00 PM
Looking at Tony's photos of the BX54 batch, the ones new to PB transferred to AG in around July 2005
Some sept/oct 2005 too I looked at some myself
Quote from: Squiz1971 on November 11, 2015, 01:25:38 PM
Some sept/oct too I looked at some myself
Didn't PB do a 11E journey on the 11A side usualy a Optare Solo at one point
around 2007?
Quote from: 2206 on November 11, 2015, 04:09:24 PM
Didn't PB do a 11E journey on the 11A side usualy a Optare Solo at one point
around 2007?
There was an 11S ran by PB I'm sure.
Quote from: MW on November 11, 2015, 10:37:28 PM
There was an 11S ran by PB I'm sure.
Yes I'm sure I remember that got on it a few times in Stechford. I am sure one terminus was The Fox And Goose?
Dose anyone know what the other one was?
4810 is on an all day Sutton board, secretly hoping it's my second bus
No such luck, its about 10 minutes in front of mine!
4246 made an appearance on the 101 today. Waiting 15+ minutes for a Handsworth-bound one on Hingeston Street. Two buses came in the other direction. 4804 finally arrived, though (as expected), was full to the brim with passengers. Needless to say, I didn't get on. Got on 4246, instead. Already miss the B7TLs on here, and the 16!
4503 was on 902 this evening
Why aren't 7019 - 7033 renumbered 1954 - 1968?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on November 13, 2015, 07:35:36 AM
Why aren't 7019 - 7033 renumbered 1954 - 1968?
I don't want to sound rude, but that's like saying "Why aren't the 468* Geminis renumbered to the 7000s." - Good question. Probably obvious answer - less hassle?
In other news, 4779 just passed me on Colmore Row. Not in Service.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on November 13, 2015, 07:35:36 AM
Why aren't 7019 - 7033 renumbered 1954 - 1968?
At one time, buses were renumbered when transferring north to south and vice versa, but then it was decided that fleet numbers would stay the same. That's why some of the shorter optare excels were 4** and some were 7***
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on November 13, 2015, 07:35:36 AM
Why aren't 7019 - 7033 renumbered 1954 - 1968?
You could have had that batch of NX Dundee Gemini's 7001-18 renumbered to fill that gap in the WM main fleet, as 4782-99 [granted numbers 4798/99 have been used since] but I suppose there was/is no point in doing it then/now.
45**- 16
Haven't seen 4819 in a while. Is it out today?
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 23, 2015, 10:39:17 AM
Haven't seen 4819 in a while. Is it out today?
Yes, on the 16
Regarding the OmniCitys on the Suttons noted lately. There used to be a 907 board that went onto the 904s before the August changes, I don't know if it still does, or if it a school bus after doing its school run. There was another one on there this evening, plus you usually get a B7TL of either body and an OmniCity in the PM peak/Late night buses too
4580 is currently at Perry Barr.
4286 on the 16. Makes for a nice ride home.
P.S. i'm not playing truant! I have a half day. :P
Quote from: clayderman on November 26, 2015, 02:38:24 PM
4286 on the 16. Makes for a nice ride home.
P.S. i'm not playing truant! I have a half day. :P
Did the 16 last Saturday on 4824 (if I remember correctly). Such a good route! Full Enviro thrash!
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 26, 2015, 02:44:00 PM
Did the 16 last Saturday on 4824 (if I remember correctly). Such a good route! Full Enviro thrash!
I shall always have a soft spot for the B7TL's... The Trident E400s are decent replacements, I guess - not my first choice, but is there any other? 16 is a good route. Quite village-y between Handsworth Wood and Hamstead, but definitely the best links throughout the City Centre...
Quote from: clayderman on November 26, 2015, 03:26:14 PM
I shall always have a soft spot for the B7TL's... The Trident E400s are decent replacements, I guess - not my first choice, but is there any other? 16 is a good route. Quite village-y between Handsworth Wood and Hamstead, but definitely the best links throughout the City Centre...
My grandad used to live in handsworth wood. I love the 16 route. I did used to enjoy getting gems and b7tl.
I even had a b10l on there, when they were at PB, very rare
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 26, 2015, 04:47:24 PM
My grandad used to live in handsworth wood. I love the 16 route. I did used to enjoy getting gems and b7tl.
I even had a b10l on there, when they were at PB, very rare
Problem with the Volvos on the 16 is they were just sluggish up Hamstead Hill.
Best NX buses to have been on the 16 were Hockley's Mercs, they beasted up that hill
Speculation. Not from a very reliable source, i.e. my brother. Told me there was a Crimson Omnilink on the 101 yesterday? Anybody see this?
Quote from: clayderman on December 01, 2015, 05:52:57 PM
Speculation. Not from a very reliable source, i.e. my brother. Told me there was a Crimson Omnilink on the 101 yesterday? Anybody see this?
I didn't see it
Quote from: clayderman on December 01, 2015, 05:52:57 PM
Speculation. Not from a very reliable source, i.e. my brother. Told me there was a Crimson Omnilink on the 101 yesterday? Anybody see this?
Yes 1875 was on the 101 all day, looks like a couple of buses were invisible yesterday
Quote from: Tony on December 01, 2015, 06:20:10 PM
Yes 1875 was on the 101 all day, looks like a couple of buses were invisible yesterday
Does indeed
@Tony
Quote from: Michael Bevan on December 04, 2015, 07:24:55 AM
7022 on PB904. I know the driver on it and I can tell you...he wasn't happy! 4938 apparently packed up.
Still on atm. 18:30 leaving city at Lancaster Circus.
Bet that was fun during the school rush
John willmot was off today so don't think it would have been too bad
Quote from: Nxwm on December 04, 2015, 08:53:18 PM
John willmot was off today so don't think it would have been too bad
Don't think one person would have made all that much difference.
Crimson 4803 was on an all day 914 board yesterday
Quote from: John on December 05, 2015, 07:38:31 AM
Crimson 4803 was on an all day 914 board yesterday
its back on the 101 today on board as I type this boy this bus sounds beefy 😁😁😁
4284 on the 16 today.
4781 at Severn Valley Railway today.
Quote from: Mike K on December 04, 2015, 08:55:43 PM
Don't think one person would have made all that much difference.
Haha
Quote from: Mike K on December 04, 2015, 08:55:43 PM
Don't think one person would have made all that much difference.
That's made me laugh out loud like a right charlie - LOLLARC
4827 is on the Sutton's.
7024, the first 70xx series in Crimson was out for the first time today on the 66 all day
Quote from: Tony on December 07, 2015, 09:14:30 PM
7024, the first 70xx series in Crimson was out for the first time today on the 66 all day
Saw it pass me in Kingstanding while on 1949.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on December 08, 2015, 07:24:22 AM
Saw it pass me in Kingstanding while on 1949.
7024 on 52s today, with WB 1949 on the 5 again!
I've heard today that PB are due Platunims next year. With one route definitely transferring from elsewhere. So I am unsure if these Platinums will be new or transfers
I also heard rumours the other day of Single Deck Platinums for another route we might be getting (this route, along with others will be having route changes and curtailments). Not sure whether to believe this one though
Quote from: John on December 08, 2015, 01:35:50 PM
7024 on 52s today, with WB 1949 on the 5 again!
I've heard today that PB are due Platunims next year. With one route definitely transferring from elsewhere. So I am unsure if these Platinums will be new or transfers
I also heard rumours the other day of Single Deck Platinums for another route we might be getting (this route, along with others will be having route changes and curtailments). Not sure whether to believe this one though
@John I thought PB was already full to capacity? A bit of room may have been created by the withdrawal of the Scania bendi's, but I doubt a lot
Quote from: Winston on December 08, 2015, 02:41:38 PM
@John I thought PB was already full to capacity? A bit of room may have been created by the withdrawal of the Scania bendi's, but I doubt a lot
I thought that as well
@Winston. As you said, there seems to be a bit of room now the Artics have gone, there may be a bit of room in the back yard or the car park, but I've never seen the garage when everything is parked up to be sure. I don't think there would be enough space for the 11 and the Platunum route
With the 6 11 boards coming back, and now this Platinum route, I wonder if we might lose a route elsewhere or something if there is not enough space.
Quote from: John on December 08, 2015, 04:56:15 PM
I thought that as well @Winston. As you said, there seems to be a bit of room now the Artics have gone, there may be a bit of room in the back yard or the car park, but I've never seen the garage when everything is parked up to be sure. I don't think there would be enough space for the 11 and the Platunum route
With the 6 11 boards coming back, and now this Platinum route, I wonder if we might lose a route elsewhere or something if there is not enough space.
@John I make PB's allocation 180 at present, it will be slightly inflated due to paintshop floats approx. 5-6 buses. But I don't remember PB's allocation ever being much higher than 180.
Unless something like the 94 moved out of PB, I totally agree with what you say.
It will be interesting to see if anything comes of the rumours
Quote from: Winston on December 08, 2015, 05:02:33 PM
@John I make PB's allocation 180 at present, it will be slightly inflated due to paintshop floats approx. 5-6 buses. But I don't remember PB's allocation ever being much higher than 180.
Unless something like the 94 moved out of PB, I totally agree with what you say.
It will be interesting to see if anything comes of the rumours
Would BC have the room if the 94 comes and the 99 goes to PN?
Quote from: Chris on December 08, 2015, 05:56:46 PM
Would BC have the room if the 94 comes and the 99 goes to PN?
No idea, not been past BC full for sometime
Service Changes 03/01/2016
Service 15A / 15C Revised Route in Erdington and revised running times to improve reliability
Service 16 / 16A Revised Running times to improve reliability
From: http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/3January2016.aspx
Hi guys. I've just been looking back at my photographs of the Scania N94 bendies. Found one of my photographs of one up Kingstanding Circle with an engineer at the wheel. That's given me a thought. Did they ever drift off the 67 and do other services? I don't mean get allocated to another service but get sent out on another route if PB was short.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on December 09, 2015, 08:06:03 AM
Hi guys. I've just been looking back at my photographs of the Scania N94 bendies. Found one of my photographs of one up Kingstanding Circle with an engineer at the wheel. That's given me a thought. Did they ever drift off the 67 and do other services? I don't mean get allocated to another service but get sent out on another route if PB was short.
That's one of the engineering test routes. Used to see bendis up there quite a bit. As far as I'm aware, the only other route one has been on was a Sutton School Service before 67 journeys in the afternoon (a regular turn)
Quote from: John on December 09, 2015, 10:58:48 AM
That's one of the engineering test routes. Used to see bendis up there quite a bit. As far as I'm aware, the only other route one has been on was a Sutton School Service before 67 journeys in the afternoon (a regular turn)
It was also the route used to get to Keltruck.
Quote from: John on December 08, 2015, 01:35:50 PM
7024 on 52s today, with WB 1949 on the 5 again!
I've heard today that PB are due Platunims next year. With one route definitely transferring from elsewhere. So I am unsure if these Platinums will be new or transfers
I also heard rumours the other day of Single Deck Platinums for another route we might be getting (this route, along with others will be having route changes and curtailments). Not sure whether to believe this one though
sounds like a few routes are coming back to perry barr then
4802 route branded for the 16 now
Quote from: Nxwm on December 09, 2015, 03:09:29 PM
4802 route branded for the 16 now
4801-12 are being done
Quote from: WN on December 09, 2015, 03:20:47 PM
Please tell me it's grey
Orange. *insert pokerface here.*
Quote from: Nxwm on December 09, 2015, 03:09:29 PM
4802 route branded for the 16 now
Out on the 16 today.
Quote from: clayderman on December 10, 2015, 07:52:21 AM
Orange. *insert pokerface here.*
Following the recent Pershore Road branding, I conclude that orange is the new blue (which in turn was the new green).
Quote from: Mike K on December 10, 2015, 12:14:49 PM
Following the recent Pershore Road branding, I conclude that orange is the new blue (which in turn was the new green).
I thought Orange was the new Black? :P
Is their is a picture of said branding
I've been in town all day and I haven't seen it. Must be avoiding me. It's good to have a variation of colour though, instead of just blue all the time
There's a photo of 4802 on 4802's page. As of now - I can't see a link from the main page. Looks rather grand - I must say. Not disappointed, at least!
Update: There's a link from the main page now! ;D P.S. Hope you all like my new icon. Haha!
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4802.html
I do like the 16 branded i think it better than the other branded buses
Really like the 16 branding tbf, wonder if the 101 will get done to promote the fact it serves the jewelry Quarter.
Quote from: danny on December 10, 2015, 09:30:41 PM
Really like the 16 branding tbf, wonder if the 101 will get done to promote the fact it serves the jewelry Quarter.
Yes the 101 will be done when the buses earmarked for it are all painted
Quote from: Tony on December 10, 2015, 09:46:07 PM
Yes the 101 will be done when the buses earmarked for it are all painted
That's brilliant. Fingers crossed - i'm hoping for green! ;)
Quote from: Tony on December 10, 2015, 09:46:07 PM
Yes the 101 will be done when the buses earmarked for it are all painted
4817 won't have any route branding at all.
Quote from: busboy31 on December 11, 2015, 12:21:48 AM
4817 won't have any route branding at all.
4817 IS on the list for route branding
Quote from: Tony on December 11, 2015, 08:20:42 AM
4817 IS on the list for route branding
is this gonna be branded for the 16?
Quote from: busboy31 on December 11, 2015, 04:06:34 PM
is this gonna be branded for the 16?
It has been said that
Quote from: Tony on December 09, 2015, 03:18:24 PM
4801-12 are being done
(For the 16)
So it will be branded for the 101
Quote from: John on December 11, 2015, 04:07:33 PM
It has been said that
(For the 16)
So it will be branded for the 101
It won't be branded for the 101, I want it to be branded for the 16
Quote from: busboy31 on December 11, 2015, 04:20:17 PM
It won't be branded for the 101, I want it to be branded for the 16
That's the way it is I suppose - can't pick and choose which ones we want. :-\
Quote from: busboy31 on December 11, 2015, 04:20:17 PM
It won't be branded for the 101, I want it to be branded for the 16
It will be branded for the 101 so that's a bit of tough luck hahaha
Quote from: WN on December 11, 2015, 04:26:24 PM
It will be branded for the 101 so that's a bit of tough luck hahaha
Nah, it will be branded for both the 16/101
Quote from: busboy31 on December 11, 2015, 04:29:45 PM
Nah, it will be branded for both the 16/101
Do you even know anything about buses?
Quote from: WN on December 11, 2015, 04:34:03 PM
Do you even know anything about buses?
Yes, I saw my bus 4817 on the 16, I think you should tell the garage to being branded on the 16, not the 101, 101's do not go to Moor street or Snow Hill Queensway
Have you got 4799-4829 fleetlists with adverts on
Quote from: busboy31 on December 11, 2015, 04:36:40 PM
Yes, I saw my bus 4817 on the 16, I think you should tell the garage to being branded on the 16, not the 101, 101's do not go to Moor street or Snow Hill Queensway
Just because you have your name on it, if it is actually you, Doesn't mean the company will do what you want, will it have your name on YES that should be more than enough
Quote from: WN on December 11, 2015, 04:42:00 PM
Just because you have your name on it, if it is actually you, Doesn't mean the company will do what you want, will it have your name on YES that should be more than enough
I had to stick pictures of Barcelona lifting the Champions League trophy earlier this year on the windows of it when my name was applied on it. I said to the man if i wanted to keep my photos on the bus permanently and one of the men from the garage actually took my photos off it the following day.
Quote from: WN on December 11, 2015, 04:55:15 PM
That makes no sense at all! You're just talking crap
it does make sense, I actually dedicated 4817 to FC Barcelona Treble Winning Squad of 2014-2015
Quote from: Nathan on December 10, 2015, 02:06:40 PM
Yes, on Facebook.
can you send me a link please?
@busboy31 - Can you please edit your previous posts to add in additional quote / questions rather than multiple posting, Winston
Quote from: busboy31 on December 11, 2015, 04:58:45 PM
it does make sense, I actually dedicated 4817 to FC Barcelona Treble Winning Squad of 2014-2015
Right I give up ::)
Quote from: busboy31 on December 11, 2015, 05:03:40 PM
can you send me a link please?
Look in the main site!!!!!!!!
4801 now 16 branded and named 'Angela'
Quote from: John on December 12, 2015, 08:18:39 AM
4801 now 16 branded and named 'Angela'
Is it out today?
What's becoming of this thread ,soon it,ll be the new pensnett thread full of useless crap.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on December 12, 2015, 09:18:32 AM
Is it out today?
Not sure. It was parked by the pits this morning
Quote from: 2900 on December 12, 2015, 09:29:29 AM
What's becoming of this thread ,soon it,ll be the new pensnett thread full of useless crap.
Not just this one.
Can anyone enlighten me as to why 4780's reg was changed?
Quote from: WN on December 12, 2015, 08:05:40 PM
Can anyone enlighten me as to why 4780's reg was changed?
Quote from: busfan2847 on May 06, 2013, 05:48:54 PM
4780 and 4781, Scania had reserved 57 plates for them with which they were delivered, however they were not delivered until after the registration change so should have had 08 plates. 4780 was changed within two weeks, 4781 was re-registered eight months later.
4801, 4805 & 4809 all 16 branded out today
Alan
Quote from: wmacb13 on December 14, 2015, 02:45:33 PM
4801, 4805 & 4809 all 16 branded out today
Alan
4806 and 4810 also
Quote from: busboy31 on December 11, 2015, 04:53:42 PM
I had to stick pictures of Barcelona lifting the Champions League trophy earlier this year on the windows of it when my name was applied on it. I said to the man if i wanted to keep my photos on the bus permanently and one of the men from the garage actually took my photos off it the following day.
What on earth is this all about? I'm sorry, but......
4811 & 4812 now 16 branded
4829 now £8 Group Daysaver branded
4927 has now been partially rebranded. Back and sides done. Its also on the 33
Quote from: John on December 21, 2015, 12:40:59 PM
4927 has now been partially rebranded. Back and sides done. Its also on the 33
Seen at about 12ish at Perry Barr One Stop
4800 has Evening 5 ticket branding
16 on divert at 7am due to police incident in hamstead village, via old walsall road, walsall road, & rocky lane.
Quote from: 37351ml on December 24, 2015, 08:20:14 AM
16 on divert at 7am due to police incident in hamstead village, via old walsall road, walsall road, & rocky lane.
Mate it was chaos this afternoon. Confused the hell outa me this morning on me way to work when I saw a 16 in service come past Tower Hill
Quote from: Nathan on December 26, 2015, 03:16:53 PM
4779 on PB94.
Did the 14:53 from the Fox And Goose on the PB 94 going towards the City Centre.
Quote from: John on December 21, 2015, 05:00:07 AM
4811 & 4812 now 16 branded
4829 now £8 Group Daysaver branded
I saw 4812 today and it had the same name plaque as 4817
Quote from: busboy31 on December 26, 2015, 07:14:25 PM
I saw 4812 today and it had the same name plaque as 4817
Named after Nick Byrne
Quote from: busboy31 on December 27, 2015, 03:30:05 AM
but are there any more?
I've already posted the full list
If it's of interest, 4799 is on 907s today
Quote from: John on December 27, 2015, 02:17:55 PM
If it's of interest, 4799 is on 907s today
Don't suppose its on lates is it do you know
@John
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on December 27, 2015, 02:34:58 PM
Don't suppose its on lates is it do you know @John
I am pretty sure that all 3 Sunday 907 boards do lates. Either 2 or 3 do
@Ashley 60171 I'm not 100% sure though
Quote from: John on December 27, 2015, 02:38:50 PM
I am pretty sure that all 3 Sunday 907 boards do lates. Either 2 or 3 do @Ashley 60171 I'm not 100% sure though
I'll probably change my mind by the time it gets to getting over there but thanks anyway.
Happy the Claras were out on the 94 today, on a bank holiday. Fair play
Quote from: John on December 27, 2015, 02:17:55 PM
If it's of interest, 4799 is on 907s today
And again tonight. Passed it on my way home
4804 and 4805 has which advertising daysaver on the rear side?
4800 has a bump in the city centre with 4962.
PB 94 - 48** E400
@2206 4854 I believe is the E400 on the PB94 just missed catching it by the clock garage at 13:26 towards town
Quote from: Squiz1971 on January 04, 2016, 02:49:44 PM
PB 94 - 48** E400
@2206 4854 I believe is the E400 on the PB94 just missed catching it by the clock garage at 13:26 towards town
Thanks for the information.
Quote from: John Stait on January 05, 2016, 08:27:45 AM
Tuesday 5th January
4337, 4342, 4343, 4345, 4375, 4383, 4392 & 6125 YW6
1904, 4377 YW35
836 BC63
2136 BC97
2145 BC23
4238 & 4253 PB16
4777 PB52
4853 Cap Gemini
4181 BC60
And because I don't see school services much, 4096 & 4386 on the 863.
4853 is allocated on there daily.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on January 05, 2016, 04:46:09 PM
4853 is allocated on there daily.
this bus is on the 907 today.
Quote from: busboy31 on January 05, 2016, 05:37:24 PM
4809 on the 101 but don't worry there is only some of the fleet go on other routes.
Can't say I was worrying since there are over 100 pages of route Branded Off route
Quote from: busboy31 on January 05, 2016, 05:31:47 PM
this bus is on the 907 today.
The bus on the Cap Gemini (4853) does an afternoon 907A journey
More roadworks for M6 and Junction 5 slip road closes, wonder what carnage that will create for the 28/67/71 's etc now.
Quote from: busboy31 on January 05, 2016, 05:31:47 PM
this bus is on the 907 today.
Does the 907A from North Birmingham Academy to City. Part of it's board.
4826 - 46 today
4291 - 101
God, I do miss these B7TLs!
@Michael Bevan your noteworthy allocation of 4823 on the 33 i understand it being in crimson. But isn't an e400 normal allocation tho
Quote from: Chris on January 18, 2016, 07:01:56 PM
@Michael Bevan your noteworthy allocation of 4823 on the 33 i understand it being in crimson. But isn't an e400 normal allocation tho
Usually branded later e400s though
Quote from: Chris on January 18, 2016, 07:01:56 PM
@Michael Bevan your noteworthy allocation of 4823 on the 33 i understand it being in crimson. But isn't an e400 normal allocation tho
Usually an E40D. 4823 is a Trident Enviro 400.
Is there any in side gossip occurring at this garage ?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 18, 2016, 09:38:15 PM
Is there any in side gossip occurring at this garage ?
what have u heard then
I haven't just wondered if anything interesting going on, bit variation to the thread ?
@Demonstrator4698 4932 is a PB enviro 400 not a BC one on your noteworthy working post
@Demonstrator4698 Enviro 400s are not noteworthy on the 7. 4932 is a PB bus. The 7 is a PB route.
what is perry barr 1871 doing tonight on 17 service unless this has moved to bordsley
Quote from: Nathan on January 24, 2016, 06:31:37 PM
Loan
how come 1871 is on loan to bordsley depot are they short of buses at the moment
Quote from: Solo1 on January 24, 2016, 06:30:08 PM
what is perry barr 1871 doing tonight on 17 service unless this has moved to bordsley
I suspect it is a loan.
Quote from: Solo1 on January 24, 2016, 06:33:27 PM
how come 1871 is on loan to bordsley depot are they short of buses at the moment
On a sunday? Can't imagine they don't have enough buses for a Sunday service?
762 on Cap Gemini today. I'm wondering if it will be on the 907A this afternoon or if it will get swapped for something bigger
Quote from: John on January 25, 2016, 01:11:41 PM
762 on Cap Gemini today. I'm wondering if it will be on the 907A this afternoon or if it will get swapped for something bigger
I'll soon see! I'd laugh if it is!
Quote from: John on January 25, 2016, 01:11:41 PM
762 on Cap Gemini today. I'm wondering if it will be on the 907A this afternoon or if it will get swapped for something bigger
762 is currently in Kings Heath on the Brittanic Assurance
Quote from: Tony on January 25, 2016, 02:51:23 PM
762 is currently in Kings Heath on the Brittanic Assurance
One of the other three is on there then
Quote from: John on January 25, 2016, 03:12:59 PM
One of the other three is on there then
No
761 & 764 are on the 54
763 is on the 68
Quote from: Tony on January 25, 2016, 03:17:56 PM
No
761 & 764 are on the 54
763 is on the 68
4853 now on the 907A. 763 did CG this morning since 4853 was suppose to be having a Vehicle Inspection. However this was not carried out today and will be done tomorrow.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on January 26, 2016, 05:35:56 PM
Crimson Trident Enviro 400 4826 on PB33.
I don't think a Crimson E400 on an E400 route would constitue as a noteworthy working
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on January 26, 2016, 05:48:14 PM
I don't think a Crimson E400 on an E400 route would constitue as a noteworthy working
Personally I think it is
4824 on 94 as well as the usual smatterings of Gemini's
Quote from: MW on January 26, 2016, 05:52:07 PM
Personally I think it is
I can see why you'd think it is although it is ultimately it is the allocated bus type on its route
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on January 26, 2016, 05:56:28 PM
I can see why you'd think it is although it is ultimately it is the allocated bus type on its route
It's a pre facelift enviro in a limited (at the moment it's limited) livery on a route that's usually run by facelift enviros in different colours and branding,
So forgive me if I think it's noteworthy...
Quote from: MW on January 26, 2016, 06:26:14 PM
It's a pre facelift enviro in a limited (at the moment it's limited) livery on a route that's usually run by facelift enviros in different colours and branding,
So forgive me if I think it's noteworthy...
I agree with you totally.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on January 26, 2016, 06:44:18 PM
Since when was the 94 a solid E400 route? I was chuffed to spot three ALX's on there the other Saturday, let alone anything newer than 4502.
That comments about the 33 not the 94.
Quote from: MW on January 26, 2016, 06:26:14 PM
It's a pre facelift enviro in a limited (at the moment it's limited) livery on a route that's usually run by facelift enviros in different colours and branding,
So forgive me if I think it's noteworthy...
But then we have something similar to the E40D and E400 Trident debate. There is no differentiation.
Quote from: WN on January 26, 2016, 06:48:22 PM
But then we have something similar to the E40D and E400 Trident debate. There is no differentiation.
I agree here,
I put my initial comment here after Tony mentioned in another thread that WA don't differentiate between the types so I was assuming the same could be applied to PB
Quote from: WN on January 26, 2016, 06:48:22 PM
But then we have something similar to the E40D and E400 Trident debate. There is no differentiation.
There's a big difference in the facelift and the pre facelift isn't there?
So what if WA don't regard it as a different vehicle. The normal allocation for the 33 is branded E40Ds in NXWM livery. A Crimson pre facelift on the 33 is noteworthy to me because it's not a 33 branded facelift E40D in NXWM livery...
Also, crimson was being done route by route. 33 isn't a route that's converted to Crimson yet.
So there's a couple reasons.
Bored now - end this silliness
Some people find it interesting, some don't - the end
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on January 26, 2016, 06:56:14 PM
I agree here,
I put my initial comment here after Tony mentioned in another thread that WA don't differentiate between the types so I was assuming the same could be applied to PB
We do seem to differentiate between the two types. The older Enviro400s do tend to stick to the 16, 101 and the 7, with the 33 and Suttons getting the newer ones.
Saying that, 4933 has been on the 7 today
Still nothing insightful on the PB thread yet ? Arh well. :D
Are the 101s getting branded once all the rest of ex pn e400s are painted in crimson?
Quote from: Chris on January 31, 2016, 11:40:40 PM
Are the 101s getting branded once all the rest of ex pn e400s are painted in crimson?
might not but we'll see!
Quote from: danny on December 10, 2015, 09:30:41 PM
Really like the 16 branding tbf, wonder if the 101 will get done to promote the fact it serves the jewelry Quarter.
Quote from: Tony on December 10, 2015, 09:46:07 PM
Yes the 101 will be done when the buses earmarked for it are all painted
@Chris - In answer to your question, yes, the 101 will be branded.
Quote from: John on February 05, 2016, 09:19:28 AM
4814 is on the 52 as well
4779 on the 65
4697 and 4243? on Sutton Lines
4490 on Sutton Lines
Gemini on the 914
Our allocator must be on Holiday today!
Are you sure he hasn't just decided to have a weird day and put random buses everywhere? :P
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 05, 2016, 02:32:00 PM
Are you sure he hasn't just decided to have a weird day and put random buses everywhere? :P
Also spotted a new livery E400 on the 907 and 4856 on the 94.
Quote from: Gareth on February 05, 2016, 02:53:31 PM
Also spotted a new livery E400 on the 907 and 4856 on the 94.
Anyone have any idea what is going on at PB today? Is the normal Vehicle Allocator off or is he/she having a funny day today?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 05, 2016, 02:32:00 PM
Are you sure he hasn't just decided to have a weird day and put random buses everywhere? :P
How about tomorrow having a full allocation of ALX400's on Sutton Lines? That would be hellfire!
How come am seeing drivers with white shirts and blue ties 😕
4854 is on the 16. (Thought i'd mention, as it's not the usual Trident E400 allocation. :-\ )
4291 on the 16, also.
If my eyes don't decieve me, 4279 is on the 16, in addition to 4291
Quote from: Nxwm on February 05, 2016, 04:15:49 PM
How come am seeing drivers with white shirts and blue ties 😕
They are 'Master Drivers'. They have basically been doing more training to earn 'Master Driver'. I'm not sure what it's about though. I know two 'Master Drivers' on the Sutton's. Will have to ask them about it.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 05, 2016, 07:18:45 PM
They are 'Master Drivers'. They have basically been doing more training to earn 'Master Driver'. I'm not sure what it's about though. I know two 'Master Drivers' on the Sutton's. Will have to ask them about it.
An article from May 2014 on the NXWM website about these elite drivers.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/driving-mavericks-make-bus-top-gun-/
The unusual allocations today was due to the Vehicle Allocator not being in. Someone else had to do them instead. Looks like he had a lot of fun!
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 05, 2016, 08:26:51 PM
The unusual allocations today was due to the Vehicle Allocator not being in. Someone else had to do them instead. Looks like he had a lot of fun!
I was hoping for something different today (anything apart from 4697!), but obviously I had to get 3 Mk2 Enviro400s, 4929, 4918 and 4931 >:(
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 05, 2016, 07:18:45 PM
They are 'Master Drivers'. They have basically been doing more training to earn 'Master Driver'. I'm not sure what it's about though. I know two 'Master Drivers' on the Sutton's. Will have to ask them about it.
Have you done your training yet for this master driver
@John ???
No i haven't
@Nxwm 4824 has been on the Sutton Lines today. Obviously I never got it.
Quote from: lauren1993 on February 07, 2016, 06:40:23 PM
4483 - 907
@lauren1993 A Gemini on a Gemini route is not 'Noteworthy'! The 907's allocation is usually Wright Eclipse Gemini's, Scania Omnicity's and ALX400's. E40D's aswell for late night boards.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 07, 2016, 06:52:54 PM
@lauren1993 A Gemini on a Gemini route is not 'Noteworthy'! The 907's allocation is usually Wright Eclipse Gemini's, Scania Omnicity's and ALX400's. E40D's aswell for late night boards.
The 907 gets anything doesn't it? Besides singles
Quote from: Sh4318 on February 07, 2016, 07:37:59 PM
The 907 gets anything doesn't it? Besides singles
Its usually Omnicities and E400s whenever I see it. Though I have seen the B7TL ALX400 and Gemini on it occasionaly.
Dose it use Gemini on sundays
@Michael Bevan ?
Quote from: 2206 on February 07, 2016, 07:43:27 PM
Its usually Omnicities and E400s whenever I see it. Though I have seen the B7TL ALX400 and Gemini on it occasionaly.
Dose it use Gemini on sundays @Michael Bevan ?
Omnicity's, B7TL's and Gemini's are allocated to it. A few 914 boards do late night 907's which is why E40D's end up on there late at night. However E40D's in the day are unusual.
@RS Both of those noteworthy workings you mention are more than likely off school services for PM peak, so are not unusual as they usually get anything lying around the garage fit for service
So any news if the 38 is going yet?
Any idea when the 11C is coming then?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 10, 2016, 09:07:52 PM
So any news if the 38 is going yet?
Going? Who said its going?
Purple branding for the 7 now been applied to an Enviro400
Quote from: John on February 13, 2016, 01:09:53 PM
Purple branding for the 7 now been applied to an Enviro400
Is this instead of the planned branding for 101 or as well as?
Quote from: Gareth on February 13, 2016, 02:02:40 PM
Is this instead of the planned branding for 101 or as well as?
As well.
4853 and a 49** were on the 16 today.
Quote from: 2206 on February 13, 2016, 05:22:07 PM
4853 and a 49** were on the 16 today.
4930 on the 33 also
4813 was the Enviro400 getting branded for the 7
Quote from: John on February 13, 2016, 09:43:17 PM
4813 was the Enviro400 getting branded for the 7
7 being branded? That's an interesting one. 101's meant to be branded too, right?
Quote from: Tony on December 10, 2015, 09:46:07 PM
Yes the 101 will be done when the buses earmarked for it are all painted
Should I assume the entire 4799-4829 batch will receive either route or ticket branding, then? ??? (As some already has been branded)
Quote from: clayderman on February 13, 2016, 10:30:17 PM
7 being branded? That's an interesting one. 101's meant to be branded too, right?
Should I assume the entire 4799-4829 batch will receive either route or ticket branding, then? ??? (As some already has been branded)
Yes the 101 still seems to be gaining branding too.
Yes it does look like all 30 buses will have some form of branding
Quote from: John on February 13, 2016, 10:36:57 PM
Yes the 101 still seems to be gaining branding too.
Yes it does look like all 30 buses will have some form of branding
Will all 30 buses be used on all 3 routes? I still see other vehicle types on the 7 regularly
Quote from: Sh4318 on February 13, 2016, 11:00:51 PM
Will all 30 buses be used on all 3 routes? I still see other vehicle types on the 7 regularly
Some of the 30 buses are in the paintshop
Quote from: John on February 13, 2016, 09:43:17 PM
4813 was the Enviro400 getting branded for the 7
I've also been told 4814 has been done. Expect to see them on the 7 tomorrow.
Don't they split the branding between the 3 routes?
Quote from: busboy31 on February 14, 2016, 10:34:41 AM
Don't they split the branding between the 3 routes?
Hardly. They don't interwork do they? ;)
Also been told by a source that the 66 will be route branded and the Sutton lines will be going platinum
seeing as it is half term next week I was looking at trying and organising a garage visit to either Perry Barr or Walsall with me and a member of family. What is the best thing to do? and any help would be greatly appreciated.
94 no attention as normal then
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 14, 2016, 06:33:38 PM
94 no attention as normal then
Suttons go platinum means 63 regs e400 onto 94?
Sometimes other routes get investment to release those current vehicles onto other services that operate with older buses? 94 has Geminis which for their ages don't seem to look old alx 400 b7tl on the other hand... Maybe once the 4799-15/17-29 is completely repainted. The geminis might go in and upgrade the 94 to crimson?
Quote from: Chris on February 14, 2016, 06:55:49 PM
Suttons go platinum means 63 regs e400 onto 94?
Sometimes other routes get investment to release those current vehicles onto other services that operate with older buses? 94 has Geminis which for their ages don't seem to look old alx 400 b7tl on the other hand... Maybe once the 4799-15/17-29 is completely repainted. The geminis might go in and upgrade the 94 to crimson?
If the 902/904/905/914 go platinum the 63 plate E400 could go to BC for the Bristol Road?
Quote from: 2206 on February 14, 2016, 07:18:08 PM
If the 902/904/905/914 go platinum the 63 plate E400 could go to BC for the Bristol Road?
Or get crimsonised for the 126?
Quote from: WN on February 14, 2016, 07:19:45 PM
Or get crimsonised for the 126?
126 will probs get new buses this year but have heard some rumours about that one. Sutton upgraded to platinums (with plug sockets/USB?) to contend with sapphire, e400 like
@2206 said to bristol road and crimsonised with branding (dark green?)
Quote from: Chris on February 14, 2016, 07:30:57 PM
126 will probs get new buses this year but have heard some rumours about that one. Sutton upgraded to platinums (with plug sockets/USB?) to contend with sapphire, e400 like @2206 said to bristol road and crimsonised with branding (dark green?)
They said they didn't have usb or sockets on our platinums due to vandalism fears
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on February 14, 2016, 05:59:03 PM
seeing as it is half term next week I was looking at trying and organising a garage visit to either Perry Barr or Walsall with me and a member of family. What is the best thing to do? and any help would be greatly appreciated.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on February 14, 2016, 09:26:45 PM
Your best bet would be to either talk to Tony or contact Head Office on 01212547200 (I think it is).
Quote from: 2206 on February 14, 2016, 07:18:08 PM
If the 902/904/905/914 go platinum the 63 plate E400 could go to BC for the Bristol Road?
I sincerely hope not, having sluggish E400s on Pershore Rd is one thing, but to have them on Pershore AND Bristol would be terrible.
7 branded 4813 and 4815 are out today. I'm told 4814 is on the pits. Just spotted 4818 and 4817 (which went the normal route at Perry Common Library resulting in it now being stuck, I think, since the normal way is closed) which is also branded.
Are their any photos of the 7 branded vehicles ?!
Main website
The branding says up to every 8 minutes, but the 7 is every 10 minutes? Peak time only increases to every 9. Does this suggest upcoming changes for the 7?
Looks like another 33 branded E40D is off the road as 4937 is on it today.
4853 on the 914 (I don't know if the Cap Gemini runs this week)
4934 on the 33
EDIT - 7 branded 4819 has just passed me on the Cap Gemini
Quote from: John on February 19, 2016, 12:13:27 PM
4853 on the 914 (I don't know if the Cap Gemini runs this week)
4934 on the 33
EDIT - 7 branded 4819 has just passed me on the Cap Gemini
I saw Crimson painted 4822 on the Cap Gemini sevice parked up in Albert Street on Wednesday around 1pm
@John I know its a couple of days ago now
Quote from: Squiz1971 on February 19, 2016, 12:28:54 PM
I saw Crimson painted 4822 on the Cap Gemini sevice parked up in Albert Street on Wednesday around 1pm @John I know its a couple of days ago now
Usually the dedicated bus for the Cap Gemini is 4853, so seeing that on the 914 got me wondering if it doesn't run in school holidays. But then I saw 4819 a few minutes after
Quote from: John on February 19, 2016, 12:36:05 PM
Usually the dedicated bus for the Cap Gemini is 4853, so seeing that on the 914 got me wondering if it doesn't run in school holidays. But then I saw 4819 a few minutes after
John, I've noticed 4853 is often on the Cap Gemini, is there any reason for this?
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on February 19, 2016, 12:50:48 PM
John, I've noticed 4853 is often on the Cap Gemini, is there any reason for this?
The only reasoning I can think of is it became spare when the frequency of the 33 dropped from 8 to 10 minutes.
Ironically if you google for Capgemini, the streetview shows 4929 parked up on Avenue Road. :)
It's a works contract, so I see no reason why it wouldn't run during school holidays.
CG runs every weekday. The only difference during half term is that he doesn't go to do the 907A from my school. 4853 is the 'dedicated' bus to CG since it saves them from having to source a bus daily (I think). However if 4853 is needed elsewhere, they will send it out and put something else on CG.
4928 is on the 33 today
4853 is on the 33. Has been in normal service most of this week rather than Cap Gemini
Quote from: John on February 26, 2016, 11:47:00 AM
4928 is on the 33 today
4853 is on the 33. Has been in normal service most of this week rather than Cap Gemini
Yep, 4854 was on CG yesterday
4930 is on the 16 today
Grey branding for the 101. One bus has it applied currently.
Quote from: WN on February 28, 2016, 05:39:51 PM
Grey branding for the 101. One bus has it applied currently.
It is 4823. I would have thought that grey branding would look quite dull, but it sits well on the Crimson livery
Anyone managed to procure a photo of 4823 in its new branding ?!
Quote from: Tony on February 29, 2016, 09:00:36 AM
I don't do branded buses!
Duly noted. I did manage to find 4823; drove past 4800, which I was on. Personally, I can't say I like it, although branding is branding, after all. Would've liked to see green branding, with something more flamboyant for promoting the Jewellery Quarter, rather than just "Jewellery Qtr" on the right ::)
4822 is now 101 branded and is out today
The Enviro400 named 'Meesha' is now 101 branded. No visible fleetnumber when I saw it
4821 has just been started so will be the next one branded
Quote from: John on March 05, 2016, 12:26:58 PM
The Enviro400 named 'Meesha' is now 101 branded. No visible fleetnumber when I saw it
4821 has just been started so will be the next one branded
it was 4825 that is named 'Meesha'
I just clocked a Crimson OmniLink (702*) going down Bordesley Green Road (BY perhaps ?!)
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on March 05, 2016, 06:27:46 PM
I just clocked a Crimson OmniLink (702*) going down Bordesley Green Road (BY perhaps ?!)
Dead route back to garage from Heartlands Hospital
Quote from: John on March 05, 2016, 06:29:48 PM
Dead route back to garage from Heartlands Hospital
I seen it by the college not to far off BY. I've spent a lot of time around the area and I'm used to seeing red/ white OmniLinks heading to BY but just surprised to see a Crimson bus
4821 is now finished, I do love the grey
Quote from: Wilko52 on March 06, 2016, 07:48:41 PM
4821 is now finished, I do love the grey
I'm not fond of it myself but I have not seen it yet with my own eyes.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 06, 2016, 07:53:51 PM
I'm not fond of it myself but I have not seen it yet with my own eyes.
It looks better than in the pictures. It looks slightly more silver than grey I think
Quote from: John on March 06, 2016, 07:58:58 PM
It looks better than in the pictures. It looks slightly more silver than grey I think
I find myself becoming more and more uninterested with this type of branding. The branding that was on the red/ white livery was good because it blended with the livery as well whereas this just seems to have a route number on the side and something on the front. Personal viewpoint of course
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on March 06, 2016, 08:12:40 PM
I find myself becoming more and more uninterested with this type of branding. The branding that was on the red/ white livery was good because it blended with the livery as well whereas this just seems to have a route number on the side and something on the front. Personal viewpoint of course
I agree with the most-part; the new branding is becoming a little bland. Don't get me wrong, it complements the new livery nicely, and there are some pretty great ones out there, like the Coventry 11/11U/12X one - one of the eyecatchers/aesthetically pleasing, I believe - but on the other side of the spectrum, is the 101, imo... I just wished there could have been something more extravagant for promoting the JQ, like a graphic of a ring/diamond perhaps? "Jewllery Qtr" doesn't so much justice, for me. In addition to my nit-picking remarks; the overall look of the branding makes me feel as if they struggled to squeeze three digits onto the branding; makes for an awkward size comparison, compared to the one digit branding (ie 7 or the 9). Sorry, off on a tangent there. ::) :P
Quote from: clayderman on March 06, 2016, 11:41:34 PM
I agree with the most-part; the new branding is becoming a little bland. Don't get me wrong, it complements the new livery nicely, and there are some pretty great ones out there, like the Coventry 11/11U/12X one - one of the eyecatchers/aesthetically pleasing, I believe - but on the other side of the spectrum, is the 101, imo... I just wished there could have been something more extravagant for promoting the JQ, like a graphic of a ring/diamond perhaps? "Jewllery Qtr" doesn't so much justice, for me. In addition to my nit-picking remarks; the overall look of the branding makes me feel as if they struggled to squeeze three digits onto the branding; makes for an awkward size comparison, compared to the one digit branding (ie 7 or the 9). Sorry, off on a tangent there. ::) :P
I agree with it complimenting the livery as the font and colour scheme is good but I think not enough of the bus is branded if that makes sense ? Take for example the Sutton buses, they're typically branded on the front and on the sides above the driver cab window but the navy colour also extends to were white and red meet. The rear of the bus is also good as it shows destinations and the 97 branded Tridents have the nice images of a plane to advertise the airport.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on March 07, 2016, 12:21:21 AM
I agree with it complimenting the livery as the font and colour scheme is good but I think not enough of the bus is branded if that makes sense ? Take for example the Sutton buses, they're typically branded on the front and on the sides above the driver cab window but the navy colour also extends to were white and red meet. The rear of the bus is also good as it shows destinations and the 97 branded Tridents have the nice images of a plane to advertise the airport.
I understand. Yeah, and even on the first version of the 97 branding, if you will, had the NEC logo! ::) Of course, discussing the new branding on crimson is all well and good - but we do have branded Platinums too, and I think these are miles better. You've got graphics (airplanes on the 900), route maps (934,5,6,7) and skylines (997/X51) - though I suppose these are graphics also - but my point was there's such a variety of eyecatchers. Don't get me wrong, the colours selected for crimson branding is eyecatching enough; I mean, kudos to NX for uniformality - but I find it boring now. Grey
doesn't help.
4245 is my ride home on the 101. A little chuffed; great bus on a breezy afternoon. 8)
2 omnicitys on the 16
Quote from: 900 on March 08, 2016, 11:59:17 AM
2 omnicitys on the 16
4697 and 4778
Also 4252, 4283 and another B7TL
4779 working the 914 today, first time I've seen one on that route in a while .....
Anything interesting happening at PB yet????
Quote from: Ossie on March 15, 2016, 04:49:00 PM
4779 working the 914 today, first time I've seen one on that route in a while .....
Omnicity's usually work late night 914's. However it is unusual to get one on the 914 in the day.
4853 is on the 33 today. So I wonder what's on Cap Gemini today?
Guess PB will have a spare E200 when the 68 goes. Wonder what will happen to it
Quote from: uniquicity on March 17, 2016, 12:50:18 PM
Guess PB will have a spare E200 when the 68 goes. Wonder what will happen to it
Which the 68 or the SWB E200s?
If you mean the 68, Diamond are taking over.
Quote from: WN on March 17, 2016, 01:48:57 PM
Which the 68 or the SWB E200s?
If you mean the 68, Diamond are taking over.
He means the spare SWB E200
Quote from: uniquicity on March 17, 2016, 12:50:18 PM
Guess PB will have a spare E200 when the 68 goes. Wonder what will happen to it
May be it will just be used on the 15A/15C or, 38?
Something needs to be done about great Barr school services, although I use the 997 in the opposite direction I have seen and been on the 997's. basically, something needs to be done.
Anyone else got these?
https://flic.kr/p/ErXXfD
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on March 17, 2016, 04:30:32 PM
Something needs to be done about great Barr school services, although I use the 997 in the opposite direction I have seen and been on the 997's. basically, something needs to be done.
I can tell you a solution has been suggested and is currently being looked into.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on March 17, 2016, 04:30:32 PM
Something needs to be done about great Barr school services, although I use the 997 in the opposite direction I have seen and been on the 997's. basically, something needs to be done.
Great Barr school used to have loads of school buses, but they've all been cut over time because the schoolkids using them were, basically, scum. They set one on fire once
Quote from: Kevin on March 17, 2016, 05:19:09 PM
Great Barr school used to have loads of school buses, but they've all been cut over time because the schoolkids using them were, basically, scum. They set one on fire once
They are, I had a stand off at wellhead lane for the one morning because they kept piling on even though I said no more! There was that many I couldn't close the doors.
Quote from: clayderman on March 17, 2016, 04:47:13 PM
Anyone else got these?
https://flic.kr/p/ErXXfD
Didn't even get one for the 82/87, I did when the green branding was applied
@Micheal Bevan Tony has said that Geminis and other types are to be expected on the 33 whilst Buses are in for paint.
Quote from: WN on March 18, 2016, 07:42:00 AM
@Micheal Bevan Tony has said that Geminis and other types are to be expected on the 33 whilst Buses are in for paint.
I know. But it is still Noteworthy in my opinion as it's not the allocated type.
::) ::)
4939 on on the 33 today
4853 and 4854 both have a new mega-rear for 'The Peak District & Derbyshire'
Quote from: John on March 19, 2016, 02:03:31 PM
4853 and 4854 both have a new mega-rear for 'The Peak District & Derbyshire'
Runs until May, so those2 will probably go to paint in June
801 on Priory Queenway displaying PB Staff Bus
Quote from: Tony on March 24, 2016, 10:48:49 AM
1865 on the 33
Any idea what Running Board? Also was it the replacement for 4847?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 24, 2016, 01:51:33 PM
Any idea what Running Board? Also was it the replacement for 4847?
Not on there anymore as I saw it in Sutton with an Engineer around 12.30pm
Quote from: John on March 24, 2016, 02:04:08 PM
Not on there anymore as I saw it in Sutton with an Engineer around 12.30pm
I wonder if it will be on 33/12 later?
4697 on 94's seen on Coleshill Road by Chipperfield Road outbound about 1300
The back destination display on 4494 is stuck on 0.
It's on the 94 today.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on March 28, 2016, 02:54:57 PM
4697 on 94's seen on Coleshill Road by Chipperfield Road outbound about 1300
1866 is also on the 94. 1866 passed the Hunters Moon at about 15:45
Quote from: 2206 on March 28, 2016, 04:05:11 PM
1866 is also on the 94. 1866 passed the Hunters Moon at about 15:45
4853 is on the 94 today.
4780 was on the 16 today. Seen around 13:15(?) outbound, from Hockley Circus
I notice 4917(?) now displays the 904 terminus as "Minworth, Asda" on the top row. Same goes for the side destination.
Quote from: clayderman on March 30, 2016, 04:45:45 PM
I notice 4917(?) now displays the 904 terminus as "Minworth, Asda" on the top row. Same goes for the side destination.
A few more have had their displays updated, I think when the blinds for rail replacement were added
So do we think PB will lose all it's alx400 s this year autumn at latest?
Has any of PBs 61 reg E400 come back from paint?
Quote from: Chris on March 30, 2016, 07:10:46 PM
Has any of PBs 61 reg E400 come back from paint?
No
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 30, 2016, 06:28:32 PM
So do we think PB will lose all it's alx400 s this year autumn at latest?
How, and where are the replacement buses coming from?
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 31, 2016, 01:21:32 PM
How, and where are the replacement buses coming from?
Sutton Lines E400's if those routes go Platinum as suggested
Quote from: Winston on March 31, 2016, 01:23:54 PM
Sutton Lines E400's if those routes go Platinum as suggested
Ah right, with you.
4255 is on the 94 today.
Quote from: RS on March 31, 2016, 09:28:01 PM
Not Unusual
I never said it was unusual.
The 94 is usually completely Gemini.
Its the first time I have seen one of them on it for a while.
@RS. This week all i have seen on it are Gemini, with 1866 on there on Monday and 4853 on Tuesday. Plus 4255 today.
Quote from: 2206 on March 31, 2016, 09:29:27 PM
The 94 is usually completely Gemini.
Its the first time I have seen one of them on it for a while.
@RS
i have seen a good load of them in the past 2 weeks
Quote from: RS on March 31, 2016, 09:28:01 PM
Not Unusual
He didn't even post it in the noteworthy workings though...
Quote from: Dom on March 31, 2016, 09:57:32 PM
He didn't even post it in the noteworthy workings though...
i know just saying though
Quote from: RS on March 31, 2016, 09:58:48 PM
i know just saying though
Bit unnecessary though, considering he never implied it was unusual
More interesting stuff at PB again lol
Quote from: RS on March 31, 2016, 09:51:46 PM
i have seen a good load of them in the past 2 weeks
Which ones this week?
Quote from: 2206 on April 01, 2016, 10:14:53 AM
Which ones this week?
Look
@2206 I'm not answering you both ways you either want me to answer you via the garage thread or personal message
Quote from: 2206 on April 01, 2016, 10:14:53 AM
Which ones this week?
Probably
4286 Tuesday
4289 Wednesday
4251; 4255; 4283 yesterday
4291 today
as those are the ones that have been on there
Quote from: Tony on April 01, 2016, 10:28:26 AM
Probably
4286 Tuesday
4289 Wednesday
4251; 4255; 4283 yesterday
4291 today
as those are the ones that have been on there
ok thanks
1875 branded for the 28 now
Also for anyone wondering the branding is yellow with black text.
Quote from: Dom on April 04, 2016, 04:10:06 PM
Also for anyone wondering the branding is yellow with black text.
And, laughably, the branding mentions Great Barr and Perry Beeches, places it only serves half the time
A shot of the rear of 1875
https://scontent.fbhx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12961531_10156954060900413_6820882142733116575_n.jpg?oh=88669586719136d8e7711ca77f68c7cb&oe=5775A78F
Quote from: John on April 04, 2016, 08:49:56 PM
A shot of the rear of 1875
https://scontent.fbhx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12961531_10156954060900413_6820882142733116575_n.jpg?oh=88669586719136d8e7711ca77f68c7cb&oe=5775A78F
Very subtle, isn't it? These bright colours seem to be contrasting the crimson livery perfectly... :) 28's never been branded before, has it? ???
I know this is a bit random but does Bc, bd, PB and now Walsall come under the management of one general manager now?? Suppose makes sense but always though Walsall was part of Black Country management, saw the profile online.
Quote from: Kevin on April 04, 2016, 06:13:03 PM
And, laughably, the branding mentions Great Barr and Perry Beeches, places it only serves half the time
I'm pretty sure that's the old timetable aren't all the journeys every 12 mins now, since the vale roadworks.
Quote from: Kevin on April 04, 2016, 06:13:03 PM
And, laughably, the branding mentions Great Barr and Perry Beeches, places it only serves half the time
Day time journeys serve both Great Barr and Perry Beaches and are -
Bordesley Green East - Great Barr
Peak hours, evenings, Sundays.... Ok maybe less than half the time
But still.... deemed important enough to be mentioned in the branding but not important enough to be served all the time, that's kinda the point I was aiming at
Quote from: Kevin on April 05, 2016, 07:19:30 AM
Peak hours, evenings, Sundays.... Ok maybe less than half the time
But still.... deemed important enough to be mentioned in the branding but not important enough to be served all the time, that's kinda the point I was aiming at
If you look at the timetable it's 12 mins across the whole route all day except the quiet times, so I don't really understand your point.
The "every 12 mins whole route" for a start is an accidental side effect of having to reduce the frequency and not being able to have every other bus turn short, not an intentional "we serve this area properly now"
My point is if they're mentioning the area in the branding then surely they deem it to be a major part of the route. It'd be like the 18 terminating in Northfield in the evening and Sunday.
Anyway, apologies for the rant, I've mentioned it before and got shot down in flames "it's not needed" for it despite being a passenger on the route and a resident of the area here for 27 years
I'll stop
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 04, 2016, 11:12:41 PM
I know this is a bit random but does Bc, bd, PB and now Walsall come under the management of one general manager now?? Suppose makes sense but always though Walsall was part of Black Country management, saw the profile online.
Yeah BC, PB, BY and WA are all under one General Manager now.
Quote from: clayderman on April 04, 2016, 09:33:29 PM
Very subtle, isn't it? These bright colours seem to be contrasting the crimson livery perfectly... :) 28's never been branded before, has it? ???
Not to my knowledge, no it's never had branding
I knew this would happen, branding the 28 "every 12 minutes", you're lucky to get one every 20 minutes in peaks never mind every 12 minutes. Polishing a turd !!!
Is 1875 still the only Omnilink that has been branded for the 28 yet?
It was the only one I saw on the 28 today?
not heard anything else so yes
Quote from: 2206 on April 05, 2016, 09:39:57 PM
Is 1875 still the only Omnilink that has been branded for the 28 yet?
Seems to be at the minute. A few more may be done over the weekend when more are in the garage.
At least 1875 was on its branded route today!
Quote from: John on April 05, 2016, 09:45:21 PM
Seems to be at the minute. A few more may be done over the weekend when more are in the garage.
At least 1875 was on its branded route today!
Thank for information.
@John
Quote from: 2206 on April 05, 2016, 09:39:57 PM
Is 1875 still the only Omnilink that has been branded for the 28 yet?
It was the only one I saw on the 28 today?
Here is a photo I took of it earlier (low quality version due to size of high quality version).
4855 out on 33 what time will it be in city tonight
I'm on 4855 at the moment into City. I've got to say it looks fantastic! Here's a photo of it at Pheasey 20 minutes ago taken with my phone.
@Michael Bevan i thought "other types" were going to be more common as the 33 goes into repaint? There was a 45** gemini on there yesterday
Quote from: Chris on April 06, 2016, 12:23:41 PM
@Michael Bevan i thought "other types" were going to be more common as the 33 goes into repaint? There was a 45** gemini on there yesterday
Other types are common on the 33 at present, due to repaints
Quote from: Winston on April 06, 2016, 12:25:32 PM
Other types are common on the 33 at present, due to repaints
Its nice to see Gemini's on the 33 again brings back memories of the Line 33 branding on geminis and b10s (did the 34 get the same?)
Quote from: Chris on April 06, 2016, 12:23:41 PM
@Michael Bevan i thought "other types" were going to be more common as the 33 goes into repaint? There was a 45** gemini on there yesterday
I did say that.
Quote from: Chris on April 06, 2016, 12:28:20 PM
Its nice to see Gemini's on the 33 again brings back memories of the Line 33 branding on geminis and b10s (did the 34 get the same?)
34 had the 33s b10s when the geminis came which were branded for a time
Will there be route branding for the 33 again?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on April 06, 2016, 12:31:21 PM
34 had the 33s b10s when the geminis came which were branded for a time
Not sure that's exactly right. 1456-59 were the branded 34s
I'd love to preserve a Gemini when the time comes for their withdrawal. Preferably a 46xx with the original Outer Circle branding (4635/36/58/59). Always had a soft spot for 4656, even though I had an RTA in it. Well someone hit me but yeah.
Quote from: MW on April 06, 2016, 01:18:19 PM
I'd love to preserve a Gemini when the time comes for their withdrawal. Preferably a 46xx with the original Outer Circle branding (4635/36/58/59). Always had a soft spot for 4656, even though I had an RTA in it. Well someone hit me but yeah.
I have to second this !
Quote from: MW on April 06, 2016, 01:18:19 PM
I'd love to preserve a Gemini when the time comes for their withdrawal. Preferably a 46xx with the original Outer Circle branding (4635/36/58/59). Always had a soft spot for 4656, even though I had an RTA in it. Well someone hit me but yeah.
I agree! But why is this in the PB thread if you're on about AG Gemini's?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 06, 2016, 03:18:27 PM
I agree! But why is this in the PB thread if you're on about AG Gemini's?
Lol someone was talking about the Line 33 branding on the TWM Geminis.
Without sounding like the stuck up lot on here, technically I suppose 4658 onwards are relevant to PB. (They were new to PB)
Quote from: MW on April 06, 2016, 08:36:07 PM
Lol someone was talking about the Line 33 branding on the TWM Geminis.
Without sounding like the stuck up lot on here, technically I suppose 4658 onwards are relevant to PB. (They were new to PB)
Never realised that! Thought they had been at AG since new!
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 06, 2016, 09:24:20 PM
Never realised that! Thought they had been at AG since new!
New in 2004 to Perry Barr. Transferred to AG in 2005
@Michael Bevan. Wonder if NX will do a heritage livery on a E400 or Gemini (Line 33 :)) bringing by retro liveries like first has done in Leeds
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 06, 2016, 09:24:20 PM
Never realised that! Thought they had been at AG since new!
PB used to have the 11C. AG used to only have the 11A. As the 11C was operated by PB at the time they were new, they were new to the PB
Quote from: Chris on April 06, 2016, 09:28:45 PM
New in 2004 to Perry Barr. Transferred to AG in 2005 @Michael Bevan. Wonder if NX will do a heritage livery on a E400 or Gemini (Line 33 :)) bringing by retro liveries like first has done in Leeds
It would be good if they did for 30 years of West Midlands Travel!
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 06, 2016, 09:35:19 PM
It would be good if they did for 30 years of West Midlands Travel!
Maybe they could repaint a bus in the WMT Metrobus livery
Quote from: Dom on April 06, 2016, 10:02:23 PM
Ive read on facebook that 7032 was on the 907 this afternoon.
Indeed it was. Just seen a Facebook post from one of the drivers who drove it today. It was apparently a change bus for 4697.
Quote from: 2206 on April 06, 2016, 09:50:53 PM
Maybe they could repaint a bus in the WMT Metrobus livery
Might be interesting to see the 'National Express West Midlands' fleetname in the West Midlands Travel font.
(And also in the WMPTE font as well!)
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 06, 2016, 09:24:20 PM
Never realised that! Thought they had been at AG since new!
Yeah have you ever wondered why the number plates are jumbled up on the 46xx Geminis. If you sort them all alphabetically you'll see pretty much the order they were delivered. 4635-4638 and 4658-4660 were the firstish ones I believe. You can check the number plates for these and see that they're consecutive. The first two for AG and the first two for PB had the big Circle across the sides of the bus, whilst the rest had smaller branding. If you check the oldest pictures for 4658-4679 you'll see some on PB routes.
Is the 94 on diversion around the washwood heath road? If so which way are they going ?
Quote from: Nxwm on April 07, 2016, 12:16:16 PM
Is the 94 on diversion around the washwood heath road? If so which way are they going ?
Between 7PM and 6AM only.
Towards the City Centre from the Fox And Goose -
Wahwood Heath Road, Alum Rock Road to Saltley Gate, Saltley Viaduct, normal line of route.
Towards Chelmsley -
Saltley Viaduct, Alum Rock Road, Burney Lane, Stechford Lane, Coleshill Road, normal line of route.
4927 and 4937 on the 33 today, with an ALX400 as well. Cover for the Enviro400s in for repaint
Does anyone know if anymore Omnilinks have been branded for the 28?
All 3 '09' ticket branded Enviro400s on the 33. Just passed 4799 at Hawthorn Road heading into City
Quote from: 2206 on April 12, 2016, 09:11:29 PM
Does anyone know if anymore Omnilinks have been branded for the 28?
As per The Fox 4846's post in Newest Named Buses
« Reply #37 on: Today at 17:21:22 »
Quote
1864 now 28 branded - Iris
@2206
Quote from: John on April 13, 2016, 06:41:10 PM
All 3 '09' ticket branded Enviro400s on the 33. Just passed 4799 at Hawthorn Road heading into City
Been on the 33 since Tuesday and are on there again today!
4505 is on the 907A today. All I ever see on the 907A are Omnicity DDs, hence why I've mentioned it.
1865 now 28 branded anya
4502 is on the 904 today
4932 is on the 907 today
Edit:Forgot the 907 interworks with the 914 which explains 4932 being on the 907
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on April 17, 2016, 02:23:28 PM
4502 is on the 904 today
4932 is on the 907 today
Edit:Forgot the 907 interworks with the 914 which explains 4932 being on the 907
Only late nights they interwork, and not every journey interworks
Plus 4829 is on the 33 again today
Some of the 15A/Cs now display Erdington Circular via Sutton Coldfield, Good Hope and Walmley, rather than the separate Sutton and Erdington destinations
4829 and 4799 are on the 33 today.
101 branded 4822 is on the 94 in Nechells at about 18:00
4856 and and a 449* Gemini (Possibly 4499) are on the 902/904/905
Quote from: 2206 on April 18, 2016, 06:36:10 PM
4829 and 4799 are on the 33 today.
101 branded 4822 is on the 94 in Nechells at about 18:00
4856 and and a 449* Gemini (Possibly 4499) are on the 902/904/905
It is nice to see the MK1 Enviro400s on the 33. The garage must be wanting to get as many Crimson buses onto the 33 at the minute
The Gemini must be a PM peak extra or a change bus as it was not on there this morning. It is not unusual if it is a Peak Extra. 4856 is an all day board
1866 is now 28 Branded. It was at the terminus on Bordesley Green East at about 16:00.
4258, I think, is on the 16.
1867 noted this morning on the 28 fully branded
4844 on 33 leaving city now
Looks like 4496 got stuck tonight. I saw it on the Washwood Heath Road going towards the City Centre on the 94 with passengers on at around 21:30 near the Fire Station. Though from Lime Tree Road the road is closed.
Quote from: 2206 on April 19, 2016, 10:04:37 PM
Looks like 4496 got stuck tonight. I saw it on the Washwood Heath Road going towards the City Centre on the 94 with passengers on at around 21:30 near the Fire Station. Though from Lime Tree Road the road is closed.
There was also a Gemini going up Washwood Heath Road at Saltley just before midnight. Have they reopened the road early?
I was on 4480 on the 22:15 94 last night & this went it's normal route up Washwood Heath Road.
The Washwood Heath Road is far from finished as up to Aston Church Road the surface is still the temporary road surface with some big holes on the town side. Noticed it yesterday going and coming back from town. The surface on the S bend isn't much better but it does have tarmac of sorts
Quote from: Squiz1971 on April 20, 2016, 02:19:53 PM
The Washwood Heath Road is far from finished as up to Aston Church Road the surface is still the temporary road surface with some big holes on the town side. Noticed it yesterday going and coming back from town. The surface on the S bend isn't much better but it does have tarmac of sorts
The works are in 3 phases.
Phase 1 is now complete
Phase 2 starts tonight 19:00-06:00 for three nights and then there will be a pahse 3
Passed unidentified Crimson Enviro in Sheldon displaying Perry Bar Staff Bus with large PB where route number normally is.
7020, now named and price branded just left City on the 67. Comes off the 71A so not unusual
762 (Sophia) is on Caps Gemini Private Hire, today - if it's of any interest. Quite the opposite to 4853. ;)
Quote from: clayderman on April 25, 2016, 08:17:55 AM
762 (Sophia) is on Caps Gemini Private Hire, today - if it's of any interest. Quite the opposite to 4853. ;)
Now the 68A/C has gone, the normal allocation is now an E200. They'll probably swap it later though.
762 on the 15C may be a change bus as I'm sure there was a Crimson and Red/White OmniLinks as the two 15s this morning. I passed 762 in Erdington on my way into City this afternoon
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 25, 2016, 08:27:09 AM
Now the 68A/C has gone, the normal allocation is now an E200. They'll probably swap it later though.
Is a Gemini this evening
Edit:
And it was the mini E200 this morning peak. Maybe this will be the usual arrangement
Quote from: 37351ml on April 26, 2016, 10:32:06 PM
Whilst at the lights on the number 9 at newhall St around 08.25 I noted a swb e200 heading along great charles street towards city, it was too far away to identify so was either a wb example on the 127/128 or a pb example on cg or returning private.
It was said that now the 68 is gone the normal allocation for Cap Gemini is a E200.
4492 101 - if of any interest
Quoteauthor=37351ml link=topic=4330.msg185277#msg185277 date=1461706326]
Whilst at the lights on the number 9 at newhall St around 08.25 I noted a swb e200 heading along great charles street towards city, it was too far away to identify so was either a wb example on the 127/128 or a pb example on cg or returning private.
It would be a CG bus. 764 is on there today. :)
@37351ml
Quote from: Tony on April 28, 2016, 08:51:08 AM
PB 763 on the 38
That confirms the rumours I heard. From what I've been told, that might be the usual allocation for now. Not sure how true this is though.
1877 is now price branded. It's currently on Cap Gemini.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 28, 2016, 02:55:39 PM
That confirms the rumours I heard. From what I've been told, that might be the usual allocation for now. Not sure how true this is though.
Surely if it confirms the rumours then it is true?
Quote from: Dom on April 28, 2016, 04:26:51 PM
Surely if it confirms the rumours then it is true?
I meant that I was told they were going to put an E200 on the 38.
4479 is on the 101 today. Currently on this bus going into city. :)
Quote from: clayderman on April 29, 2016, 07:29:38 AM
4479 is on the 101 today. Currently on this bus going into city. :)
With 4799 on Sutton Lines, and 2 493*s on 907s
Quote from: John on April 29, 2016, 08:01:17 AM
With 4799 on Sutton Lines, and 2 493*s on 907s
And 4932 on 7/07. What's going on at PB today?
4856 is on the 16.
IS there any insider stuff happening at PB apart from what bus is on on which route? I'm being serious, because we used to get a lot of it, not just PB btw.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 30, 2016, 05:06:53 PM
IS there any insider stuff happening at PB apart from what bus is on on which route? I'm being serious, because we used to get a lot of it, not just PB btw.
What do you mean?
I mean in these garage threads we used to get interesting NXWM insight into what is going on, nowadays it just seems to be bus spotting which I know has always been part of the forum group, but i my humble view that's all it is these days and it's a bit, how can i put it one dimensional. I don't know if anyone else shares my view, but just putting it out there and not meaning to cause any issues btw.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 30, 2016, 05:17:32 PM
I mean in these garage threads we used to get interesting NXWM insight into what is going on, nowadays it just seems to be bus spotting which I know has always been part of the forum group, but i my humble view that's all it is these days and it's a bit, how can i put it one dimensional. I don't know if anyone else shares my view, but just putting it out there and not meaning to cause any issues btw.
I agree with you to be honest. I'd say flat.
Glad it's not just me, open to a bit of healthy debate if people disagree.
It's a thread about the garage. Beyond repaints and a couple of slightly noteworthy buses on particular routes, nothing really happens these days as it is
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 30, 2016, 05:31:12 PM
Glad it's not just me, open to a bit of healthy debate if people disagree.
Your bang on but then again bar your normal daily operations, I don't see much else happening in a garage.
Does anyone have any trivia regarding PB, I know it used to be larger but a portion of its land has been sold off.
Didn't it used to have a small series of roads around the back that were used exclusively for training??
Yes, prospective trainees had their initial assessment there. This was to see if they were suitable for training in the old WMPTE days.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 30, 2016, 05:17:32 PM
I mean in these garage threads we used to get interesting NXWM insight into what is going on, nowadays it just seems to be bus spotting which I know has always been part of the forum group, but i my humble view that's all it is these days and it's a bit, how can i put it one dimensional. I don't know if anyone else shares my view, but just putting it out there and not meaning to cause any issues btw.
I agree too, I was always taught "if you've nothing interesting to say, then say nothing". Not wanting to single out any individuals, but I feel there are those here that just post stuff for the sake of doing so.
This photo (Not Mine) of PB gives quite an insight into the garage considering most of it is out of view.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/56394872@N06/16279049239/in/photolist-qc38Ce-dwoF68-qNwobK-b2DAoe-8hC41S-94GFbH-8hdft2
Im assuming the 4 openings on the left side of the building is were the vehicles enter for fueling
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on April 30, 2016, 08:12:35 PM
This photo (Not Mine) of PB gives quite an insight into the garage considering most of it is out of view.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/56394872@N06/16279049239/in/photolist-qc38Ce-dwoF68-qNwobK-b2DAoe-8hC41S-94GFbH-8hdft2
Im assuming the 4 openings on the left side of the building is were the vehicles enter for fueling
The three on the far left are for the pumps/bus washes. The right hand one leads into the main parking hall
4853 has had its name removed from the front
In 1978 I had a school visit there, I recall we had a bus trip around a training track, I'm assuming this would have been in the north of the pic where the student accomodation now sits. When was the land sold off, presumably the training centre was based there at the time.
Quote from: 37351ml on May 01, 2016, 04:32:37 AM
In 1978 I had a school visit there, I recall we had a bus trip around a training track, I'm assuming this would have been in the north of the pic where the student accomodation now sits. When was the land sold off, presumably the training centre was based there at the time.
Yes it was. I have uploaded a map of PB from the 1985 open day looking south-ish it shows the training circuit behing the depot
https://www.flickr.com/photos/57647425@N05/26477430780/in/datetaken-public/
A few photos taken on an OS visit and as the open day can be found at
https://www.flickr.com/photos/57647425@N05/26657111152/in/datetaken-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/57647425@N05/26750052595/in/datetaken-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/57647425@N05/26749985695/in/datetaken-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/57647425@N05/26477220790/in/datetaken-public/
4505 on the 16. At the time of writing, I must say, I will miss these when they're long gone. In my opinion, I feel as if the earlier Geminis have aged better than later examples (ahem, *4700s*) - one for the 'Oddities' thread, the wheelchair bell - which usually activates Wrightbus's famous siren - is instead replaced with a comical slide whistle effect - if you will... 4505 emits a subtle, yet distinguished sounds when changing gears..
All in all, a sensational journey. 4505 must be one of my favourite B7's in a long while! :D
Not sure why but at 13:09 there was 2 33s behind each other (4850/another 33 branded) and the next 33 was followed closely by another one at 13:45 which were Crimson 4844 and 4855 which both departed within 30 seconds of each other.
For anyone interested 4853 is currently on Victoria Square with a camera person filming it for something or other
4853 has been on the Sutton's today.
4938 is on the 16.
4811, on the 16, has been driving past multiple stops. It's in service. There's no more than 5 people on board. I'm on 4243, the following bus.
Quote from: clayderman on May 07, 2016, 02:41:52 PM
4811, on the 16, has been driving past multiple stops. It's in service. There's no more than 5 people on board. I'm on 4243, the following bus.
It's probably late and the following bus is picking up. Happens plenty of time on the 11. Or the driver in front doesn't get on with the one behind lol.
On the 11, if everyone's late, but not being adjusted, the front bus would skip a bunch of stops and then start picking up to clear the way ahead for the second bus, if you understand what I mean.
Quote from: MW on May 07, 2016, 03:02:53 PM
It's probably late and the following bus is picking up. Happens plenty of time on the 11. Or the driver in front doesn't get on with the one behind lol.
On the 11, if everyone's late, but not being adjusted, the front bus would skip a bunch of stops and then start picking up to clear the way ahead for the second bus, if you understand what I mean.
I get it. :) Thanks for that, it's just a bit of annoyance to the average passenger, I guess.. ::)
4853 has been on the 16 today.
Would be better for the bus to show unload only. At least that way the passengers don't think the driver is just being ignorant & missing them on purpose.
Quote from: Steveminor on May 09, 2016, 02:10:36 PM
Would be better for the bus to show unload only. At least that way the passengers don't think the driver is just being ignorant & missing them on purpose.
You don't know he wasn't, it was only seen from the back
Quote from: Tony on May 09, 2016, 03:14:50 PM
You don't know he wasn't, it was only seen from the back
Rear destinations do show unload only.
Quote from: Dom on May 09, 2016, 03:43:05 PM
Rear destinations do show unload only.
I know. That's why I said you don't know it wasn't showing set down only
When I was told to unload only, I was told to put Not In Service up. I'm sure there's no unload only or similar destinations at AG.
Wow I've seen a couple of the newer vehicles on the 94 this weekend. Is this a sign of a bit more focus on the route or are the gems being repainted.
There was a large number of gemini break down throughout Friday, so this could explain it.
Quote from: Steveminor on May 09, 2016, 10:31:48 PM
There was a large number of gemini break down throughout Friday, so this could explain it.
Didn't think so, still bottom the central management radar then!!!!!
Quote from: Steveminor on May 09, 2016, 10:31:48 PM
There was a large number of gemini break down throughout Friday, so this could explain it.
There wasn't. 4856 came out on an afternoon peak/late night board, but all the allocated Geminis finished their boards off
You obviously didn't see what I saw then. At one point it looked like a war zone with 4 buses off over heated at the same time. The poor chap in city looked helpless when all those drivers were asking where their buses were.
Quote from: Steveminor on May 09, 2016, 11:00:47 PM
You obviously didn't see what I saw then. At one point it looked like a war zone with 4 buses off over heated at the same time. The poor chap in city looked helpless when all those drivers were asking where their buses were.
Amazing how you could see buses broken down along the route and see the controller at the same time. Your '4 at one time' is amazing considering only 3 departures from City were missed all day.
I hear you have been telling Claribels drivers you are 'declaring war on National Express'
Quote from: Steveminor on May 09, 2016, 11:00:47 PM
At one point it looked like a war zone with 4 buses off over heated at the same time.
A 'war zone' ??? LOL
Sense of perspective check needed I think.
Would've thought that you'd know that if its overheated it doesn't have to go back to garage all the time...cool it down and shove it back into service ;)
No need for a bus war in this day & age. Those are a thing of the past or at least they should be. Nowadays it should all be focused on providing a quality product as the car is the enemy of the bus now.
Quote from: Steveminor on May 10, 2016, 01:51:57 PM
No need for a bus war in this day & age. Those are a thing of the past or at least they should be. Nowadays it should all be focused on providing a quality product as the car is the enemy of the bus now.
Not what Claribels drivers are saying your telling them!
You should know better than anyone Tony what drivers say & what is actually the truth are never quite the same.
Roll on Claribels ; at least these car about my local corridor when I'm in Brum anyway.
4914 is at WA garage for repairs by look of it?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on May 11, 2016, 10:20:43 AM
4914 is at WA garage for repairs by look of it?
That reminds me, 4933 was back yesterday with a new rear end
Quote from: BU07 LGO on May 11, 2016, 10:20:43 AM
4914 is at WA garage for repairs by look of it?
repairs completed, at Walsall for new panels to be painted
4504 & 4505 both have a new rear advert for a low cost airline cannot remember the name saw both together at the Fox & Goose earlier
Quote from: Squiz1971 on May 11, 2016, 02:01:05 PM
4504 & 4505 both have a new rear advert for a low cost airline cannot remember the name saw both together at the Fox & Goose earlier
There are 13 of them for Veuling Airlines
4441; 4442; 4444; 4446
4503; 4504; 4505; 4506
4090; 4091; 4092
4100; 4101; 4102
Quote from: Tony on May 11, 2016, 02:14:23 PM
There are 13 of them for Veuling Airlines
4441; 4442; 4444; 4446
4503; 4504; 4505; 4506
4090; 4091; 4092
4100; 4101; 4102
Cheers for that
@Tony I wasn't 100% sure whether it was the same as the ones on the rear of the Presidents thank you
I'm sure 4062 has got a rear advert aswell. It's a black advert.
Quote from: MW on May 11, 2016, 02:59:11 PM
I'm sure 4062 has got a rear advert aswell. It's a black advert.
It has
That one is for British Military Fitness
4023 might have one on again by now as well
4855 is on the 902/904/905, near Sutton/Good Hope Hospital going towards Birmingham City Centre on the 904 at about 15:15.
4488 is on the 907 today.
Wasn't sure but when I checked the allocation spreadsheet it wasn't on there which is why I posted it.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on May 14, 2016, 05:45:11 PM
Wasn't sure but when I checked the allocation spreadsheet it wasn't on there which is why I posted it.
Gemini's are normal allocation on the 907. Even on weekends.
Normal allocations for the 907 are Scania Omnicity, especially Monday to Friday, but this week has been different, the 907's I catch to and from work are Scania's (9 times out of 10), but this week I haven't been on one at all, I've seen them but not as widely as usual
Pride Bus 4853 has been on 904/5's today
Quote from: 2206 on May 14, 2016, 05:34:50 PM
4855 is on the 902/904/905, near Sutton/Good Hope Hospital going towards Birmingham City Centre on the 904 at about 15:15.
Noted that by the King's Arms, gave me a surprise.
The previous day, 4844 was even more shocking near the Bottle of Sack!
4779 working on the 94 caught it on Coleshill Road by Chipperfield Road about 13:05. Made a refreshing change from the usual Gemini's I normally catch
4828's display is stuck on Not in Service, while it is actually in service.. I informed the driver, but got a mere grunt - and nothing has been done. Oh well..
Quote from: clayderman on May 18, 2016, 04:22:06 PM
4828's display is stuck on Not in Service, while it is actually in service.. I informed the driver, but got a mere grunt - and nothing has been done. Oh well..
I don't think I would care if I was a driver either .
4844 is on the 902/904/905. It was in the City Centre on Corporation Street while on the the 905 to Roughley at 15:50.
Quote from: 2206 on May 21, 2016, 07:01:45 PM
4844 is on the 902/904/905. It was in the City Centre on Corporation Street while on the the 905 to Roughley at 15:50.
4844 has been on 33-06 all day and is still out there on the 33. At 15:50 it was in Kingstanding on its way back to Birmingham
Quote from: 2206 on May 21, 2016, 07:01:45 PM
4844 is on the 902/904/905. It was in the City Centre on Corporation Street while on the the 905 to Roughley at 15:50.
Sure it wasn't 4854 or 4855?
Is Perry Barr doing rail replacement today?
Quote from: Tony on May 23, 2016, 05:13:03 PM
A Crimson E400 on a Crimson E400 route is hardly noteworthy
I've only put it on as 4849 is an E40D and the usual allocation is Trident Enviro 400's.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on May 23, 2016, 05:59:42 PM
I've only put it on as 4849 is an E40D and the usual allocation is Trident Enviro 400's.
If you look at the numbers there are too many E40Ds for the PVR of the 33 and not enough Tridents for the 7, 16 & 101 so the plan always was that a couple of later ones would be on the other routes
Just seen a Gemini on the 46 in service (with passengers on) go down the underpass from Aldridge Rd, diversion?
Quote from: Kevin on May 23, 2016, 06:37:34 PM
Just seen a Gemini on the 46 in service (with passengers on) go down the underpass from Aldridge Rd, diversion?
Yes, roadworks on the rondabout
Quote from: Kevin on May 23, 2016, 06:37:34 PM
Just seen a Gemini on the 46 in service (with passengers on) go down the underpass from Aldridge Rd, diversion?
Roadworks on the roundabout
Enviro200 763 is on the 38 today
4843 now back at PB in Crimson and out on the 52 for the first time this afternoon
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4843.html
4853 seen promoting pride today at 13:55 at Moor St with Birmingham Pride on Destination.
Not sure if any of these are worth noting or not:
4255 and 4479 are on the 16 today.
4498 is on the 902 today.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on May 28, 2016, 04:09:08 PM
4853 seen promoting pride today at 13:55 at Moor St with Birmingham Pride on Destination.
Probably because its pride weekend.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on May 28, 2016, 04:18:41 PM
Not sure if any of these are worth noting or not:
4255 and 4479 are on the 16 today.
4498 is on the 902 today.
4253, 4256 and 4505 on the 101, and also 4279 and 4490 on the 16 today.
B7TLs on the 16s are still regular (the same with the 7). As already stated, we don't have enough MK1 Enviro400s for all three routes, plus the couple on the 33 at the minute. You don't get many Volvos on the 101 anymore
I've always thought that 4733-7 could transfer back to us and get repainted/ticket branding so there would defiantly be enough for the 7, 16 and 101
Quote from: John on May 28, 2016, 06:12:26 PM
B7TLs on the 16s are still regular (the same with the 7). As already stated, we don't have enough MK1 Enviro400s for all three routes, plus the couple on the 33 at the minute. You don't get many Volvos on the 101 anymore
I've always thought that 4733-7 could transfer back to us and get repainted/ticket branding so there would defiantly be enough for the 7, 16 and 101
I can't really see that happening.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on May 28, 2016, 06:14:46 PM
I can't really see that happening.
You probably can't see some of the transfers that are about to happen in the next couple of weeks happening either though
Perry Barr have 4733-4737 and send to Walsall more B7 ALX400 possibly 4287-4291.
Quote from: Tony on May 28, 2016, 06:19:03 PM
You probably can't see some of the transfers that are about to happen in the next couple of weeks happening either though
I didn't think we would see many transfers until after this years orders start arriving
Quote from: Winston on May 28, 2016, 09:47:26 PM
I didn't think we would see many transfers until after this years orders start arriving
That could probably be when their due ?
Tony you tease us !
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on May 28, 2016, 10:25:52 PM
That could probably be when their due ?
Tony you tease us !
First new buses aren't due yet. WN's are first (i read somewhere) and that isn't for a while yet.
4504 is on the 16.
Another Gemini did the 16:57 16A from Hamstead.
Quote from: John on May 28, 2016, 06:12:26 PM
B7TLs on the 16s are still regular (the same with the 7). As already stated, we don't have enough MK1 Enviro400s for all three routes, plus the couple on the 33 at the minute. You don't get many Volvos on the 101 anymore
I've always thought that 4733-7 could transfer back to us and get repainted/ticket branding so there would defiantly be enough for the 7, 16 and 101
I thought the PVR for all 3 routes was 26, with 30 '09 Enviros. Please excuse inaccuracies, I don't pay that much attention
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 29, 2016, 10:01:35 PM
I thought the PVR for all 3 routes was 26, with 30 '09 Enviros. Please excuse inaccuracies, I don't pay that much attention
The 3 unbranded ones appear to be regular cover on the 33 whilst their native 61 plate E400's are being given Crimson treatment
Quote from: Nathan on May 29, 2016, 10:56:26 PM
The 3 unbranded ones appear to be regular cover on the 33 whilst their native 61 plate E400's are being given Crimson treatment
4799, 4800 and 4829 have been put on the 33 quite often recently to allow passengers to get used to the new livery.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on May 30, 2016, 12:45:09 AM
4799, 4800 and 4829 have been put on the 33 quite often recently to allow passengers to get used to the new livery.
Why on earth would they need to get used to the new livery?
Quote from: Nathan on May 29, 2016, 10:56:26 PM
The 3 unbranded ones appear to be regular cover on the 33 whilst their native 61 plate E400's are being given Crimson treatment
Ahh, that makes sense. I'm guessing extra buses are needed for peak times also (on the 7/16/101)
Quote from: Dom on May 30, 2016, 09:51:17 AM
Why on earth would they need to get used to the new livery?
I dunno. But that's the reason I was given for them being on the 33.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on May 30, 2016, 04:35:20 PM
I dunno. But that's the reason I was given for them being on the 33.
Easy, they're on there because the E40Ds are being painted so they are sticking the bus 2nd in line (Providing it is available)
Quote from: Dom on May 30, 2016, 04:49:21 PM
Easy, they're on there because the E40Ds are being painted so they are sticking the bus 2nd in line (Providing it is available)
The Gemini's are the second type for the 33.
As pride has now gone anyone know if 4853 pride bus will be repainted into fleet livery or keep like this for a while longer
Quote from: Solo1 on May 30, 2016, 06:56:46 PM
As pride has now gone anyone know if 4853 pride bus will be repainted into fleet livery or keep like this for a while longer
It was already said at the end of May it will go for repaint
4853 still out today, in City now. Must be waiting for one to come back before it can go into the paintshop
Quote from: John on May 31, 2016, 12:22:48 PM
4853 still out today, in City now. Must be waiting for one to come back before it can go into the paintshop
Out again today on the 33.
This may be normal for a weekday but the saw the following today:
4476/4494/4498/4502 are on 902/4/5 today
4283 and 4501 are on 914 today
4853 is still out today. On the 33.
A van has smashed into the front drivers side of one of the recently crimsoned 61 plate enviro 400's
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on June 05, 2016, 02:01:22 PM
A van has smashed into the front drivers side of one of the recently crimsoned 61 plate enviro 400's
Lambeth Road
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/bus-van-crash-kingstanding-passengers-11429892
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on June 05, 2016, 02:01:22 PM
A van has smashed into the front drivers side of one of the recently crimsoned 61 plate enviro 400's
4854
I don't know if this has been mentioned but it looks like the 902/4/5 are going platinum as I was travelling past Gravelly Hill yesterday and saw that the bus stops were all black like other platinum routes.
Quote from: OH25 on June 06, 2016, 10:23:03 AM
I don't know if this has been mentioned but it looks like the 902/4/5 are going platinum as I was travelling past Gravelly Hill yesterday and saw that the bus stops were all black like other platinum routes.
Due to the 110.
Yes I noticed some of the stops out of Sutton past Good Hope hospital are also black.
Thought all stops were having the new design, as several of the Bloxwich Road stops have that as well, unless as you say, its down to Sapphire?
Cant we have one design? It would be cheaper!
Quote from: Westy on June 06, 2016, 01:03:34 PM
Thought all stops were having the new design, as several of the Bloxwich Road stops have that as well, unless as you say, its down to Sapphire?
Cant we have one design? It would be cheaper!
Yes I noticed that, by the prince!
The black flags are crap at night they don't reflect any light so its hard to see where the stop is
4852 looking nice and fresh on the 16. Been a while since an unbranded Crimson has been on there.. ;) Thought it was worth a mention.
Quote from: clayderman on June 07, 2016, 04:22:44 PM
4852 looking nice and fresh on the 16. Been a while since an unbranded Crimson has been on there.. ;) Thought it was worth a mention.
I came across it by accident at Hockley earlier. Just missed a 16w and noticed a Crimson E40D coming to find it was 4852.
4238 and 4935 are on the 101 today.
4240 is on the 16.
4289 is on the 7.
4779 was on Heathland Avenue at about 11:45 today going towards Shard End does anyone know what it was doing?
If I can recall correctly, It was Perry Barr taking over the new service from today, now it has been accepted.
PD0001111/751 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Registration Accepted by SN
Starting Point: Birmingham, City Centre
Finish Point: The Fort, Fort Parkway
Via: Star City
Service Number: FD
Service Type: School or Works
Effective Date: 13-JUN-2016
Other Details: New service replacing service cancelled by Thandi Transport Ltd (PD1060316/3)
Wonder what vehicles they are using for it...
Quote from: Adam 404 on June 13, 2016, 03:45:37 PM
If I can recall correctly, It was Perry Barr taking over the new service from today, now it has been accepted.
PD0001111/751 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Registration Accepted by SN
Starting Point: Birmingham, City Centre
Finish Point: The Fort, Fort Parkway
Via: Star City
Service Number: FD
Service Type: School or Works
Effective Date: 13-JUN-2016
Other Details: New service replacing service cancelled by Thandi Transport Ltd (PD1060316/3)
Wonder what vehicles they are using for it...
I seen a 16 branded on their this morning not sure what's on there now tho
Quote from: Nxwm on June 13, 2016, 04:07:07 PM
I seen a 16 branded on their this morning not sure what's on there now tho
It was 4812.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 13, 2016, 08:10:56 PM
It was 4812.
Not sure what was on there, but it wasn't 4812 which has been on 16-03 all day since 06:20
I saw 4477 on the Fort bus this evening. FD where the route number would be, and Fort Dunlop via Star City as the destination. It was quite full too.
I know there's a thread for this, but it seems to have gone missing - plus, I guess it would've made more sense had I posted it here, instead..
4777 had entered city with the wrong display. If I am correct, and if my eyes weren't decieving me - it passed me at Aston University displaying "28E to Dyas Road"
Quote from: clayderman on June 16, 2016, 06:29:23 PM
I know there's a thread for this, but it seems to have gone missing - plus, I guess it would've made more sense had I posted it here, instead..
4777 had entered city with the wrong display. If I am correct, and if my eyes weren't decieving me - it passed me at Aston University displaying "28E to Dyas Road"
I saw it too. More than likely come off the School journey from Great Barr School to Short Heath. I think after that, it goes onto the 67 from City
Goes onto 907
Runs dead from streetly rd
907/09
Quote from: John on June 16, 2016, 08:13:07 PM
I saw it too. More than likely come off the School journey from Great Barr School to Short Heath. I think after that, it goes onto the 67 from City
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on June 16, 2016, 08:18:53 PM
Goes onto 907
Runs dead from streetly rd
907/09
To be fair, I did see it later (on Lower Bull Street) and it had became a 907. ;)
Quote from: Nxwm on June 17, 2016, 11:56:50 AM
4813 was seen at erdington six ways doing a 815 at 845ish
Can't have been 4813 as it was on 7/07. I got off it at 8:09. And that board doesn't do a school.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 17, 2016, 12:27:52 PM
Can't have been 4813 as it was on 7/07. I got off it at 8:09. And that board doesn't do a school.
It was 4813 that did 115-21, presumably after having the bell push replaced
Quote from: Tony on June 17, 2016, 01:33:11 PM
It was 4813 that did 115-21, presumably after having the bell push replaced
That was quick then! It was only 50 minutes before that I made the driver aware of the broken stop button!
4851 currently getting rebranded for the 33. Same green as before
Quote from: John on June 18, 2016, 12:43:14 PM
4851 currently getting rebranded for the 33. Same green as before
Just seen a photo of the branding. Same shade of green as the one used on the 9.
4239, 4240, 4289 and another are on the 16 today.
Is 4851 out today?
4848 has just passed me. That has been branded for the 33. I'm also told 4849 is now branded too. However 4851 isn't out until later.
For anyone looking, branded 4849 was on Bull St at 14:00 and 4851 was on Bull St at 14:20.
7024 out on the 94 seen leaving town at 12:00 while on 72 leaving same time
@2206 4502 was a change bus for 4933 In erdington due to one of the tyres about to fall off as it was not fitted right
Quote from: 900 on June 25, 2016, 07:54:54 PM
@2206
4502 was a change bus for 4933 I'm erdington due to one of the tyres about to fall off as it was not fitted right
Thanks for the information, saw 4933 was broken down at the 904 stop at Six Ways toward Sutton at 14:35.
Quote from: 900 on June 25, 2016, 07:54:54 PM
@2206
4502 was a change bus for 4933 In erdington due to one of the tyres about to fall off as it was not fitted right
Maybe it was tyred lol, on a serious note are you sure it just didn't have a puncture, it would have done well to get as far as Erdington with a tyre that was on the verge of falling off
4854 is on the 914 today.
4846 back at PB finished
Quote from: Tony on June 30, 2016, 08:18:18 AM
4846 back at PB finished
Complete with 33 branding
4845 has been done fresh this afternoon
A very shiny 4846 is on the 33 today, think today's its first day in service in Crimson.
Theres a few Geminis on 33 today including 4503 I think.
101 may suffer delays. Have just been taken off 4825 as someone was attacked on the upper deck.
4825 is currently stationary on Newhall Street.
Edit: Caught 4828 from the opposite stop; having done the "Colmore Loop", I can say that an ambulance is in attendance. Wishing the best the victim; hope he recovers well.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 01, 2016, 02:47:48 PM
A very shiny 4846 is on the 33 today, think today's its first day in service in Crimson.
Theres a few Geminis on 33 today including 4503 I think.
It was out yesterday at least. It's common to get Geminis on the 33 while the Enviro40os are away getting repainted
Quote from: John on July 01, 2016, 04:29:01 PM
It was out yesterday at least. It's common to get Geminis on the 33 while the Enviro40os are away getting repainted
Ok wasn't sure but thanks anyway
@John
28 branded 1867 has just arrived into Walsall on route training for the 77.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 03, 2016, 10:20:41 AM
28 branded 1867 has just arrived into Walsall on route training for the 77.
I thought that was a load of rubbish?
Thought PB was full, which is why Walsall got all the 93x routes when they were introduced?
Quote from: Westy on July 03, 2016, 02:02:18 PM
Thought PB was full, which is why Walsall got all the 93x routes when they were introduced?
Since then the Bendy Buses have been withdrawn.
Quote from: clayderman on July 01, 2016, 04:26:54 PM
101 may suffer delays. Have just been taken off 4825 as someone was attacked on the upper deck.
4825 is currently stationary on Newhall Street.
Edit: Caught 4828 from the opposite stop; having done the "Colmore Loop", I can say that an ambulance is in attendance. Wishing the best the victim; hope he recovers well.
4825 was in service yesterday. But it hasn't been withdrawn after the attack.
Quote from: Nxwm on July 03, 2016, 01:13:21 PM
I thought that was a load of rubbish?
Well it isn't. I have photographic evidence of 1867 in Walsall on route training.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 03, 2016, 04:48:56 PM
Well it isn't. I have photographic evidence of 1867 in Walsall on route training.
Would you mind showing it
@Michael Bevan
Quote from: RS on July 03, 2016, 04:50:17 PM
Would you mind showing it @Michael Bevan
Here's a cropped version of my original.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 03, 2016, 05:16:56 PM
Here's a cropped version of my original.
Cheers Mate for clarification
Why would PB have the 77, unless the buses used interwork from another route?
Quote from: Westy on July 03, 2016, 08:10:03 PM
Why would PB have the 77, unless the buses used interwork from another route?
Apparently they're overstaffed but I'm suffering as a result
Quote from: BU07 LGO on July 03, 2016, 08:59:19 PM
Apparently they're overstaffed but I'm suffering as a result
Why are you suffering as a result then? Any idea if there is any buses going with the 77?
Quote from: Nxwm on July 03, 2016, 09:03:09 PM
Why are you suffering as a result then? Any idea if there is any buses going with the 77?
Because my rota is losing 9 lines due to losing the 77 so I'll have to go on a different one. I'm not sure would be likely to be a few b7 Alx if anything
Quote from: BU07 LGO on July 03, 2016, 09:04:56 PM
Because my rota is losing 9 lines due to losing the 77 so I'll have to go on a different one. I'm not sure would be likely to be a few b7 Alx if anything
Wish it would of come to Wolverhampton, nice route so I hear :D
Sorry to hear you are suffering due to its movement
@BU07 LGO
Quote from: Driver03 on July 03, 2016, 09:11:24 PM
Wish it would of come to Wolverhampton, nice route so I hear :D
Sorry to hear you are suffering due to its movement @BU07 LGO
Thanks
@Driver03 waited a year to get on that rota then get kicked off after 4 months!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on July 03, 2016, 09:20:37 PM
Thanks @Driver03 waited a year to get on that rota then get kicked off after 4 months!
What are you moving on to?
Could be 4733-4737
4844 is now price branded, was out today on the 33
Quote from: Westy on July 03, 2016, 08:10:03 PM
Why would PB have the 77, unless the buses used interwork from another route?
I don't think they are having any buses as there will only be 3 boards at Perry Barr for the 77.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 03, 2016, 10:12:52 PM
I don't think they are having any buses as there will only be 3 boards at Perry Barr for the 77.
3 boards is 3 buses, unless PB have 3 lying around, that'll be digging into their spare bus quota
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on July 03, 2016, 09:48:05 PM
4844 is now price branded, was out today on the 33
So is 4854
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 03, 2016, 10:12:52 PM
I don't think they are having any buses as there will only be 3 boards at Perry Barr for the 77.
So are the peak boards staying at Walsall or something then?
Quote from: Dom on July 04, 2016, 09:50:41 AM
So are the peak boards staying at Walsall or something then?
I think it may have been taken off over the Summer
There is a few more lines coming on the new rota in September
Not sure if unusual so I have put it in here 763 is on PB38 & also 4238 I think, I rode on 763 & saw 4238 at the Fort earlier
Quote from: Squiz1971 on July 04, 2016, 03:44:57 PM
Not sure if unusual so I have put it in here 763 is on PB38 & also 4238 I think, I rode on 763 & saw 4238 at the Fort earlier
A decker is unusual as it is usually 2 OmniLinks or 1 and an Enviro200
Quote from: John on July 04, 2016, 06:44:38 PM
A decker is unusual as it is usually 2 OmniLinks or 1 and an Enviro200
I know when it was the 638 I have seen many B7TL/ALX400's running the route but was not sure about the 38 so thanks for the clarification
@John
101 branded enviro 400 spotted on Broad Street presumably doing the water work (or whatever it is) shift. Is this normally done by Scania's, or has it been this way for sometime?
Both the 38 and the CG contract get 'whatever's left'
@Tony Fair enough, Thanks!
Caught 4931 on the 101 this morning.. Makes a change from the usual Trident E400s, though, would've preferred a B7TL to show up! :P
4856 now in for repaint, last of the red/white 61 plates at PB
4852 is now 33 branded
4843 is now Group Daysaver branded
4855 has made an appearance on the 101 in all its unbranded glory..
4853 has finally had it's name and 33 branding applied. Was out on the 33 earlier.
Some delays on the 101 yesterday - 3 in convoy, city-bound, around 1730 - one of which was terminating in Jewellery Quarter; Since the only 101E journey that's been programmed is to Handsworth Grove Lane, I suggested to NX that they should program some more 'E' displays for the 101 - We shall see...
TL;DR I contacted NX and asked them if it were possible they could program more 'E' journeys on the 101.
The suggestions I gave were:
101E: Jewellery Quarter
101E: Winson Green (Devonshire Arms)
At least 4 b7tl alx400 on 16 today
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 22, 2016, 01:45:28 PM
At least 4 b7tl alx400 on 16 today
They are still on the 7 and 16 all the time
Quote from: clayderman on July 21, 2016, 07:55:36 PM
Some delays on the 101 yesterday - 3 in convoy, city-bound, around 1730 - one of which was terminating in Jewellery Quarter; Since the only 101E journey that's been programmed is to Handsworth Grove Lane, I suggested to NX that they should program some more 'E' displays for the 101 - We shall see...
TL;DR I contacted NX and asked them if it were possible they could program more 'E' journeys on the 101.
The suggestions I gave were:
101E: Jewellery Quarter
101E: Winson Green (Devonshire Arms)
Question on top of your suggestion... Is it possible to Turn a bus around at Devonshire arms to pick up service in the other direction... Or is your suggestion based on the bus then running dead to either terminus,?
Anybody any ideas why 1864 (Iris) was in Stourbridge at Lunchtime,
@Tony @John ??
Quote from: danny on July 22, 2016, 01:50:20 PM
Question on top of your suggestion... Is it possible to Turn a bus around at Devonshire arms to pick up service in the other direction... Or is your suggestion based on the bus then running dead to either terminus,?
The latter.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 22, 2016, 04:50:29 PM
Anybody any ideas why 1864 (Iris) was in Stourbridge at Lunchtime, @Tony @John ??
I have no idea. Quite a way away from us. Maybe something to do with rail replacement or a special service?
Quote from: John on July 22, 2016, 05:14:05 PM
I have no idea. Quite a way away from us. Maybe something to do with rail replacement or a special service?
Know it sounds daft, but looked like it was on Driver Training, I saw it heading towards Hagley from the Foley Arms island. Was a chap stood next to the driver, sadly it pulled into a bus stop and so I lost it.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 22, 2016, 05:20:42 PM
Know it sounds daft, but looked like it was on Driver Training, I saw it heading towards Hagley from the Foley Arms island. Was a chap stood next to the driver, sadly it pulled into a bus stop and so I lost it.
It's got about a bit today.
Morning peak on the 94
Perry Barr to Stourbridge and back
Now on the 28
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 22, 2016, 05:20:42 PM
Know it sounds daft, but looked like it was on Driver Training, I saw it heading towards Hagley from the Foley Arms island. Was a chap stood next to the driver, sadly it pulled into a bus stop and so I lost it.
I went to Stratford upon Avon on my Driver Training. A34 down to Henley in Arden, A4189 towards Redditch, A435 south and then the A46 towards Stratford, and back again. About 26 miles each way. And it was in a Plaxton, 4072 I think it was. That was my first "modern" bus I drove aswell
A PB bus to Stourbridge doesn't sound as bad now
4807 is back in service after the engine repairs from earlier this year.
4855 is on the 101 today. Branded for Group Daysaver (If I remember correctly!)
4493 has joined the 'noisy club'
4494 is on the 77 today (6:55 from Sutton) and looks like I'm the first passenger on the first Perry Barr operated 77 from Sutton. Feels quite weird in a Gemini!
Would be nice to see scania double deck on 77.
Is the full service on the 77 being run from Perry Barr or a select few?
Quote from: Dutsey on July 25, 2016, 09:34:14 AM
Is the full service on the 77 being run from Perry Barr or a select few?
Full route now under PB operation.
How come? I thought there was rumours that the 77 was going Platinum?
Quote from: Dutsey on July 25, 2016, 10:46:13 AM
How come? I thought there was rumours that the 77 was going Platinum?
Apparently PB took on too many staff, so we lost out
If anyones interested, there are 2 Geminis and an ALX400 on the 77. The boards are allocated DOUBLE DECKER, so any may turn up
7 branded 4815 on the Newton Road being towed towards West Bromwich at circa 4:15.
4928 is on the 67 today.
4480 is on the 904 today.
4478/4481/4487 are on the 77 today.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 26, 2016, 01:44:40 PM
4478/4481/4487 are on the 77 today.
Thats not really even worth noting. As
@John said yesterday the board doesn't specify in which type of double decker, it just says 'DOUBLE DECKER'
Quote from: Dom on July 26, 2016, 03:44:38 PM
Thats not really even worth noting. As @John said yesterday the board doesn't specify in which type of double decker, it just says 'DOUBLE DECKER'
Oh right. I know for next time
Quote from: Dom on July 26, 2016, 03:44:38 PM
Thats not really even worth noting. As @John said yesterday the board doesn't specify in which type of double decker, it just says 'DOUBLE DECKER'
So what? It's good to know what buses are on 77. PB has only just started operating the route. Thanks,
@Dylanbusboy45, for the info.
Quote from: P419 EJW on July 26, 2016, 03:48:03 PM
So what? It's good to know what buses are on 77. PB has only just started operating the route. Thanks, @Dylanbusboy45, for the info.
No problem! Thank YOU
@P419 EJW for the info on 4105 earlier. Succesfully photographed it on the 13:05 from Walsall :D
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 26, 2016, 03:50:17 PM
No problem! Thank YOU @P419 EJW for the info on 4105 earlier. Succesfully photographed it on the 13:05 from Walsall :D
That's fantastic, you're welcome!
Been noting some of publicity around the 7 recently, including:
- colour coded branding at the bus stop (spotted in Newtown)
- revised timetable designs
... so I was wondering if this is a publicity experiment (in its early stages)? Surely, if it weren't, many crimson routes such as the 9, 16, 50, etc... would've received similar treatment by now.
Quote from: clayderman on July 26, 2016, 06:08:57 PM
Been noting some of publicity around the 7 recently, including:
- colour coded branding at the bus stop (spotted in Newtown)
- revised timetable designs
... so I was wondering if this is a publicity experiment (in its early stages)? Surely, if it weren't, many crimson routes such as the 9, 16, 50, etc... would've received similar treatment by now.
Ain't just the 7
The one bus stop on High Street Newtown, just heading up to Six Ways, that all the Birchfield Road buses stop at as well has a similar 51 branding, weirdly not 33 though.
Curious
Edit -
Seems to be along most of the 7 route now, but not just the 7 branding. Seen 11A/C branding along the shared bit in Witton as well now.
If anyone is interested, it looks like the 77 has a full Gemini allocation today. 4505 on 77/01, 4494 on 77/02 and 4477 on 77/03.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 28, 2016, 07:24:02 AM
If anyone is interested, it looks like the 77 has a full Gemini allocation today. 4505 on 77/01, 4494 on 77/02 and 4477 on 77/03.
So how come PB have taken this over thought they were at capacity, is this a board on its own or does it link with say the 907 ??
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 28, 2016, 08:14:46 AM
So how come PB have taken this over thought they were at capacity, is this a board on its own or does it link with say the 907 ??
77 is on it's own.
Seeing as WB is getting presidents to replace gemeni's I think that when we get our CV gemini's and especially when we get our platinums we might be giving our ALX400's to WB
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 28, 2016, 08:14:46 AM
So how come PB have taken this over thought they were at capacity, is this a board on its own or does it link with say the 907 ??
I think it's been mentioned before on here somewhere, Walsall are short of drivers....
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 28, 2016, 08:56:20 AM
77 is on it's own.
Has the timetable changed at all then? Would seem a bit of dead mileage for PB to run
They could run 907E's from Sutton to wellhead lane in the evening
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on July 28, 2016, 01:00:41 PM
They could run 907E's from Sutton to wellhead lane in the evening
I think what he means is that because all the WA 77 boards finished at Walsall
Quote from: Kevin on July 28, 2016, 11:39:18 AM
Has the timetable changed at all then? Would seem a bit of dead mileage for PB to run
It would be about the same mileage from the Sutton outers, and less from Chelmsley Wood
Today's 77 allocation for the 77 is a bit different. 4252 on 77/01, 4799 on 77/02, and 4237 on 77/03. Surprisingly no Gemini's today!
The 77 boards are allocated 'Double Decker'. So it will not be unusual to get any type of Decker on there. It will probably get the leftover deckers
Quote from: John on July 29, 2016, 08:32:43 AM
..... it will not be unusual to get any type of Decker on there. It will probably get the leftover deckers
Pretty soon we'll see Desmond on there ;)
Quote from: The Real 4778 on July 29, 2016, 10:15:57 AM
Pretty soon we'll see Desmond on there ;)
He'll look great in Crimson!
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 29, 2016, 07:38:50 AM
Today's 77 allocation for the 77 is a bit different. 4252 on 77/01, 4799 on 77/02, and 4237 on 77/03. Surprisingly no Gemini's today!
There's a Gemini on there...
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on July 29, 2016, 11:08:42 AM
There's a Gemini on there...
Is there? When I looked this morning there was two ALX400's and 4799. Unless they've swapped 4799?
Crimson 4855 on all day 914s
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 29, 2016, 12:38:32 PM
Is there? When I looked this morning there was two ALX400's and 4799. Unless they've swapped 4799?
I saw 4237 out on the 94 at Clock Garage earlier at around 18:25 so, maybe they swapped 4237
@Michael Bevan?
Quote from: 2206 on July 29, 2016, 06:57:20 PM
I saw 4237 out on the 94 at Clock Garage earlier at around 18:25 so, maybe they swapped 4237 @Michael Bevan?
Probably, as I've just seen 4478 depart back to Perry Barr.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 29, 2016, 12:38:32 PM
Is there? When I looked this morning there was two ALX400's and 4799. Unless they've swapped 4799?
4799 was still on there, it was the half 6 departure from Sutton
Quote from: John on July 29, 2016, 09:55:34 PM
4799 was still on there, it was the half 6 departure from Sutton
4237 was replaced by 4494, which was then replace by 4478
4855 is on the 914's today. Just left Sutton on it.
4687 is out on the 7. Left The Crossways towards City at 12.44pm
4687 on the 67 this morning, 07:35 entering city centre. Alas the one after the one I'm on to work, not worth turning up late to work just to catch it, boo hiss
7026 is on the 46 today
4504 is on the 16 today
Just caught 4687 on 101.
4688 does a full day in service and not one comment?
Tom's photo on Facebook is the only mention. Strange after all the fuss about 4687.
At least it shows the advantage of duplicate service numbers! If someone forgets to reprogramme the Destination it can still show the service number!
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4688.html
Didn't see 4688, are Perry Barr that short of buses they place a bus in service before they reprogrammed the destinations!
Quote from: Tony on August 09, 2016, 05:54:28 PM
4688 does a full day in service and not one comment?
Tom's photo on Facebook is the only mention. Strange after all the fuss about 4687.
At least it shows the advantage of duplicate service numbers! If someone forgets to reprogramme the Destination it can still show the service number!
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4688.html
I bet that confused a few passengers today thinking the 7 has changed destination overnight lol
@Tony
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 09, 2016, 07:11:29 PM
I bet that confused a few passengers today thinking the 7 has changed destination overnight lol @Tony
I'm willing to bet most passengers didn't even notice! ;D
Quote from: Stu on August 09, 2016, 07:12:36 PM
I'm willing to bet most passengers didn't even notice! ;D
Yeah that's true ;D
@Stu but a few eagle eyed may of noticed something may of been different and commented to the driver though
I saw 4688 and noticed the change in destination, wondered where the hell it was going too?
4687 on 94 today for anyone who wants it, it looks stunning.
Quote from: V89MOA on August 10, 2016, 09:05:38 AM
4687 on 94 today for anyone who wants it, it looks stunning.
No it isn't - its currently on Colmore Row
(4688 is on the 94)
Quote from: Tony on August 10, 2016, 09:10:16 AM
No it isn't - its currently on Colmore Row
(4688 is on the 94)
Apologies, it may have changed routes then? At the time of posting BU05 HEV was definitely parked On priory queensway displaying '94 Birmingham'.
Quote from: V89MOA on August 10, 2016, 09:05:38 AM
4687 on 94 today for anyone who wants it, it looks stunning.
I know got to ride it from the Wood to Chipperfield Road refused a 44** Gemini in preference for 4687 actually missed 4688 earlier as I was in the KFC having some food. Makes a refreshing change to have Voith Gemini's as well as the Alx400 B7's
Quote from: Tony on August 10, 2016, 09:10:16 AM
No it isn't - its currently on Colmore Row
(4688 is on the 94)
It was at 15:30 as I caught it from Chelmsley Wood to Chipperfield Road
@Tony
@lauren1993 4697 has been on the 94 before I think sometime last week or the week before and so have 4777-4781 but it is a novelty as the normal allocation are B7TL either Gemini or ALX400's
4688 is on the 77 today.
Quote from: John on August 11, 2016, 08:37:23 AM
What time did you see it please @Michael Bevan
It did the 8:10 77 from Walsall so I think it's 77/03.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on August 11, 2016, 08:47:57 AM
It did the 8:10 77 from Walsall so I think it's 77/03.
Even I am forced to admit, were I not at work here in Derby, that would be an attractive proposition, moreover as it's the only route that passes near the house!
Quote from: Michael Bevan on August 11, 2016, 08:47:57 AM
It did the 8:10 77 from Walsall so I think it's 77/03.
Thanks
7024 I think is on the 94 seen coming up Priory Queensway as I was going down on the 72
Also a Ticket branded scania is on the Sutton Lines saw it by Square Peg an hour ago was on Corporatiown Street by Poundstretchers so too far away to ID
Its 7029 not 7024 as 7029 passed me on Coleshill Road heading to the Wood by Chipperfield Road as I waited for a 28 to the Fox
4780 is currently parked on Hales St opposite Pool Meadow displaying Private Hire
@Nathan you could be right as I didn't get to see the fleet number and originally I thought it was waiting at the pedestrian crossing just inside Corporation St between Tesco's & Sainsbury's until I got a bit closer & realised it was at the 902/4/5/14 & 110 bus stop outside the Square Peg & it pulled off before I could catch the fleet number
It might of been 7033, I snapped a photo of that in Sutton and posted it on the FB group, was doing a 905 at the time.
Quote from: twb1979 on August 11, 2016, 04:59:57 PM
It might of been 7033, I snapped a photo of that in Sutton and posted it on the FB group, was doing a 905 at the time.
Nathan put in the Noteworthy workings thread earlier about 7030 being on the 902 in answer to my earlier quote on here
@twb1979
4687 is on the 94 today.
4687 is on 46 today
Seen a Gemini on the 33 earlier today on Bull Street 44** forgot to note full fleet number
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 12, 2016, 04:27:53 PM
Seen a Gemini on the 33 earlier today on Bull Street 44** forgot to note full fleet number
Cheers
Oh no what the 33 is getting a downgrade OMG lol
1875 set up for the 28 parked up hazards on, engine off and no driver by Tesco's/Lighthouse Fish Bar about an hour ago not sure if broken down so that's why I am posting in here instead
4687 is on the 33 today. Running Board 33/04 I'm told.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on August 14, 2016, 08:47:49 AM
4687 is on the 33 today. Running Board 33/04 I'm told.
Do you know any times
@Michael Bevan
Quote from: John on August 14, 2016, 09:39:17 AM
Do you know any times @Michael Bevan
It did the 8:50 journey from Birmingham to Pheasey.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on August 14, 2016, 09:43:07 AM
It did the 8:50 journey from Birmingham to Pheasey.
Thanks for that. I may have to find it sometime today
Geminis appear on the Sutton's quite regularly now, especially as we don't have enough Enviro400s for all 902 and 914 boards.
I've got 4800 on there, and 1866 also on the Sutton Lines this afternoon
Quote from: John on August 15, 2016, 05:27:09 PM
Geminis appear on the Sutton's quite regularly now, especially as we don't have enough Enviro400s for all 902 and 914 boards.
I've got 4800 on there, and 1866 also on the Sutton Lines this afternoon
Ok mate wasn't 100% sure but thought I would put it in the NW thread for a change anyway
@John
Just seen 1942 on a 46. Thought this was a WB bus?
Quote from: twb1979 on August 17, 2016, 05:49:19 PM
Just seen 1942 on a 46. Thought this was a WB bus?
WB operates a 46 as well? Where did you see this?
Ah that makes sense....humblest apologies, I was on a 51 at the time.
4687 on the 77. Passed it on Rough Road Walsall bound at 8.40am
One of the ex CV Gemini's is on the 94 in chelmsley wood at the moment. Couldn't make out the fleet number but it's reg ends in HPY
Quote from: dw1308 on August 18, 2016, 09:19:13 AM
One of the ex CV Gemini's is on the 94 in chelmsley wood at the moment. Couldn't make out the fleet number but it's reg ends in HPY
That would be 4688 but that ends
HFE BU05HFE
The post above yours states 4687 is on the ex-WA77 & that's HEV anyway
Quote from: dw1308 on August 18, 2016, 09:19:13 AM
One of the ex CV Gemini's is on the 94 in chelmsley wood at the moment. Couldn't make out the fleet number but it's reg ends in HPY
It's 4688. I saw it this morning.
4687 and 4688 are both on the 94 today.
4928 on the 16, Is this noteworthy?
https://www.facebook.com/369276339910972/photos/a.564789300359674.1073742251.369276339910972/579051745600096/?type=3&theater
Quote from: Adam 404 on August 20, 2016, 08:39:42 PM
4928 on the 16, Is this noteworthy?
https://www.facebook.com/369276339910972/photos/a.564789300359674.1073742251.369276339910972/579051745600096/?type=3&theater
Wouldn't say Noteworthy but worth mentioning
4687 is on the 33 again today.
4799 on the Suttons today
4687 and 4688 are on the 67 today.
How come the bus stop on moor street at the bus gateway has the got the 7 9 9S 22/3/4 on the bus stop flag are the routes changing how they enter city and leave city? Not sure what bus stop number IT is as I didn't get to see it! Sorry in advance of this posted in the wrong group
Quote from: Nxwm on August 23, 2016, 10:29:48 PM
How come the bus stop on moor street at the bus gateway has the got the 7 9 9S 22/3/4 on the bus stop flag are the routes changing how they enter city and leave city? Not sure what bus stop number IT is as I didn't get to see it! Sorry in advance of this posted in the wrong group
On an electronic totem, or a physical flag?
Have yet to see it, as IIRC, it was mentioned before. I surmise it may be an error as I don't understand how the 7 would ever make it down to Moor Street.. There has been errors on the totem stops before; such as stop NS13 on Station Street (when new) had displayed the 87.
On the other hand, some have speculated (and it rather does make sense), that the 22/3/4 would mirror its route into city (turning right at the end of Broad Street when going towards City Centre) - instead of doing a "loop", like it does so now.
Quote from: clayderman on August 23, 2016, 10:59:06 PM
On an electronic totem, or a physical flag?
Have yet to see it, as IIRC, it was mentioned before. I surmise it may be an error as I don't understand how the 7 would ever make it down to Moor Street.. There has been errors on the totem stops before; such as stop NS13 on Station Street (when new) had displayed the 87.
On the other hand, some have speculated (and it rather does make sense), that the 22/3/4 would mirror its route into city (turning right at the end of Broad Street when going towards City Centre) - instead of doing a "loop", like it does so now.
Electronic totem at MS10.
Crimson Gemini on the 07:30 67 ex city
The journey I normally catch to work, had my X51 not been late....
Son of a.... Having no luck with these at all
Quote from: Kevin on August 24, 2016, 07:36:24 AM
Crimson Gemini on the 07:30 67 ex city
The journey I normally catch to work, had my X51 not been late....
Son of a.... Having no luck with these at all
4688 that is/was as I saw it on Chester Road by the Bagot Pub heading to the Vale about 7:50 this morning while I was on a 28 to Erdington
@Kevin
Let me start off by saying "Don't shoot me down, but.."
Genuine question. Is the whereabouts of 4687/4688 still of paramount interest to some? I would've thought the commonplace for them is the 67, by now - judging by the number of reported sightings. Not that I'm complaining, but the pair have been mentioned at least once on the every page since the start of their service. [Page 182] On the one hand, I guess it's nice to know their whereabouts; on the other, consistent posting about them could be starting to fill the PB thread with monotony..
*Waits for 4690 4689 to begin PB service.* ;D
Quote from: clayderman on August 24, 2016, 07:58:35 PM
Let me start off by saying "Don't shoot me down, but.."
Genuine question. Is the whereabouts of 4687/4688 still of paramount interest to some? I would've thought the commonplace for them is the 67, by now - judging by the number of reported sightings. Not that I'm complaining, but the pair have been mentioned at least once on the every page since the start of their service. [Page 182] On the one hand, I guess it's nice to know their whereabouts; on the other, consistent posting about them could be starting to fill the PB thread with monotony..
*Waits for 4690 to begin PB service.* ;D
4689 will beat 4690 to PB
Quote from: clayderman on August 24, 2016, 07:58:35 PM
Let me start off by saying "Don't shoot me down, but.."
Genuine question. Is the whereabouts of 4687/4688 still of paramount interest to some? I would've thought the commonplace for them is the 67, by now - judging by the number of reported sightings. Not that I'm complaining, but the pair have been mentioned at least once on the every page since the start of their service. [Page 182] On the one hand, I guess it's nice to know their whereabouts; on the other, consistent posting about them could be starting to fill the PB thread with monotony..
*Waits for 4690 4689 to begin PB service.* ;D
I'm equally mystified by the surge in interest in these two particular buses. Is there anything particularly special about the Geminis that were at Coventry? A Gemini is a Gemini, doesn't matter what paint job it has really, in my opinion.
Quote from: Stu on August 24, 2016, 08:15:59 PM
I'm equally mystified by the surge in interest in these two particular buses. Is there anything particularly special about the Geminis that were at Coventry? A Gemini is a Gemini, doesn't matter what paint job it has really, in my opinion.
They are unique in having Voith gearboxes
Quote from: Tony on August 24, 2016, 08:18:05 PM
They are unique in having Voith gearboxes
I hope this is not going to start another debate about which automatic gearbox is better! ???
The average passenger won't notice any difference to be honest, as the buses will look the same regardless of what gearbox they use!
Quote from: Stu on August 24, 2016, 08:32:04 PM
I hope this is not going to start another debate about which automatic gearbox is better! ???
The average passenger won't notice any difference to be honest, as the buses will look the same regardless of what gearbox they use!
Surely a gearbox is a gearbox who ever makes it!
Because the sound is different and we're all just bus wankers
There. I've said it
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 24, 2016, 08:34:01 PM
Surely a gearbox is a gearbox who ever makes it!
To a bus enthusiast, surely
not.
A significant amount of the character and sound of a bus originates from the gearbox. The Voith tends to have a high pitched howl at all times which follows the engine speed; the ZF whine depends on which gear is selected. The Voith in the Streetdeck gives it a long-legged lazy character, whereas the ZF in E400s tends to higher revs and more frequent gear changes, making it sound fussy. This is just to mention todays most popular options. When you consider older gearboxes of automatic, semi-automatic and manual types, e.g. various Allisons, Daimatic, SCG, Bristol, AEC, Leyland, Guy etc., the influence of the gearbox is fully realized. For those of you who have not experienced older buses, take a look and listen at a few YouTube videos of old and preserved buses, and all will be clear.
Bus enthusiasm has many aspects. The sound, ride quality and character or "feel" of a bus is my thing. My anorak credentials are now firmly nailed to the wall. Happy hunting!
Quote from: Kevin on August 24, 2016, 09:37:13 PM
Because the sound is different and we're all just bus wankers
There. I've said it
Why didn't I think of that instead of typing all the rubbish above?
Quote from: Stu on August 24, 2016, 08:32:04 PM
I hope this is not going to start another debate about which automatic gearbox is better! ???
The average passenger won't notice any difference to be honest, as the buses will look the same regardless of what gearbox they use!
@Stu its personal preference to some not which is best. As for me I enjoy voith more than ZF but enjoy riding both types on tridents or B7TL all body types. As you say a bus is a bus at the end of the day and we are all bus nuts for different reasons
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 24, 2016, 10:06:30 PM
@Stu its personal preference to some not which is best. As for me I enjoy voith more than ZF but enjoy riding both types on tridents or B7TL all body types. As you say a bus is a bus at the end of the day and we are all bus nuts for different reasons
I agree (I'm a Voith fanboy personally). I'm really eager to get a ride on one of the ex CV Geminis
Naahhhhhhhh, ZF for the win. Voith is so boring. The only plus with Voith is the scream of the retarder. With ZF, you can be cruising barely touching the throttle at 30, and when the going gets tough, boot the f*ck out of the throttle and knock it down a gear and listen to it scream (yes I'm talking about Geminis).
At around 30mph on Geminis, you can be sitting at around 1000 rpm, and when you see an incline, floor it and it'll stay in that gear till the road straightens out (like at Marsh Hill and Bournville (provided you enter it at 30 of course)). Then all up the hill it'll remain screaming. When you come to the next stop, it'll idle and all will seem well, and when you then move off, the cooling fans will being their roaring. Works on most Geminis, other than the ones with the kick down function removed, thus not revving as high.
Only Voiths I've driven to be fair are the B10Bs/B10Ls (and 1687 or 9 (I forget which is the training one) was better than all them) and the E200MMC.
4856 is on the 16/A today.
Quote from: Tiptonian on August 24, 2016, 10:02:03 PM
Why didn't I think of that instead of typing all the rubbish above?
I agree with what U put before having grown up in the fleetline/metrobus/national 1 & 2 etc I tend to like the voith more becos of the legend that was the MCW metrobus.
Back on thread how long before
4689 & 4690 be at PB in Crimson? Also will all the CV Gemini's be heading to Birmingham & to the PB garage?
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 25, 2016, 11:49:36 AM
I agree with what U put before having grown up in the fleetline/metrobus/national 1 & 2 etc I tend to like the voith more becos of the legend that was the MCW metrobus.
Back on thread how long before 4689 & 4690 be at PB in Crimson? Also will all the CV Gemini's be heading to Birmingham & to the PB garage?
By the end of the year.
Obviously when I'm on the 94, one is on there but not my second bus
4688 is on the 94.
4687 and 4688 are on the 94.
Quote from: 2206 on August 26, 2016, 03:13:06 PM
4687 and 4688 are on the 94.
Saltley was very Crimson today, with those two, the E200's and at least one Trident on the 70. I also sampled 4687 today. Don't know what all the fuss is about. It's very much a Gemini, all be it a smart one, but I wasn't blown away with how different it sounds!
Quote from: Gareth on August 27, 2016, 03:45:11 AM
Saltley was very Crimson today, with those two, the E200's and at least one Trident on the 70. I also sampled 4687 today. Don't know what all the fuss is about. It's very much a Gemini, all be it a smart one, but I wasn't blown away with how different it sounds!
Eventually the novelty of the Voith CV Gem's will wear off once they are all at PB & when all the PB gem's get the crimson treatment as well.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 27, 2016, 03:02:56 PM
Eventually the novelty of the Voith CV Gem's will wear off once they are all at PB & when all the PB gem's get the crimson treatment as well.
I doubt it. There's 10 Voith ones, compared to 104 (4475-4534 & 4635-4679) ZF ones.
Edit, minus 4520
Quote from: MW on August 27, 2016, 03:07:34 PM
I doubt it. There's 10 Voith ones, compared to 104 (4475-4534 & 4635-4679) ZF ones.
Edit, minus 4520
Whatever happened to 4520
Quote from: Lukeee on August 27, 2016, 10:55:37 PM
Whatever happened to 4520
It's possibly returning as a trainer, but it's been under repair for a long time.
Quote from: Lukeee on August 27, 2016, 10:55:37 PM
Whatever happened to 4520
It's currently at YW being repaired,
Quote from: MW on August 27, 2016, 03:07:34 PM
I doubt it. There's 10 Voith ones, compared to 104 (4475-4534 & 4635-4679) ZF ones.
Edit, minus 4520
Shame, wasn't a bad one, 4520
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 27, 2016, 11:33:00 PM
Shame, wasn't a bad one, 4520
For me, at least I got to cross that one off my list. Drove it once. And then of course I was waiting for it (as it was my bus) and was then told it was involved in an RTC. 4649 was my replacement I think, one of the 46xx's anyway.
The kick down was removed from 4520 anyway. Sucks the soul of the bus when they replace the accelerator pedal with one that doesn't kick down.
4493 & 4495 both on 101.
How's this for a bit of bitter irony; ::) :P
4688 is on the Fort Dunlop; just left Star City. Is this the first time one of the two has appeared on the FD?
Quote from: clayderman on August 31, 2016, 05:51:34 PM
How's this for a bit of bitter irony; ::) :P
4688 is on the Fort Dunlop; just left Star City. Is this the first time one of the two has appeared on the FD?
I think so & earlier it was on the 38 earlier today which I believe interworks with the FD route now ?
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 31, 2016, 06:11:26 PM
I think so & earlier it was on the 38 earlier today which I believe interworks with the FD route now ?
Yes it does
For the Crimson fans, 4799 is on the 77, 4855 is on the Sutton lines and 4856 is on the 907 today
4855 on the 914 today. Just left Sutton
4929 on the 10.25 77 from Sutton, 4799 again too on the 10.55
4689 out today on the 67
4856 (I think) is on the 16.
4481 is on the 7.
Typical! The one day I'm on the 77, 4689 is on the 907, the first one I've seen on there. 1.17pm City bound from Wellhead Lane
4688 is on the 67.
4687 is on the 52 today. Don't think any of the three have worked on their before today
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on September 05, 2016, 03:50:40 PM
4687 is on the 52 today. Don't think any of the three have worked on their before today
One of them was the 52A on Bank holiday Sunday
Quote from: Kevin on September 05, 2016, 07:01:13 PM
One of them was the 52A on Bank holiday Sunday
Oh right. I loose track of which routes they have worked on as there is so many possibilities...
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on September 05, 2016, 07:04:30 PM
Oh right. I loose track of which routes they have worked on as there is so many possibilities...
It's a PB bus on a PB route. They can and probably will end up everywhere
2 28 branded Omnilinks just passed me on Richmond Road, Stechford displaying Heartlands Hospital. They're somewhat far off.
Turns out it is on diversion I believe as their is RTA at its terminus so it can't turn around until further up the road.
Typically, another day I'm on the 77, and guess what's on the Sutton Lines ... 4689. Just left Sutton on the 902 Hill Hook bound
Is this stuff for real, I dont remember half of the night routes like 107/6N or 966n etc or a 903/ 939 or this must be the period I lived in Bristol. Knowledge gurus what are you saying?
http://uktransport.wikia.com/wiki/Travel_North_Birmingham
So would this have been Perry Barr as Sutton closed back in the 80's / 90's also did PB run a 110 service?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 10, 2016, 10:08:18 AM
So would this have been Perry Barr as Sutton closed back in the 80's / 90's also did PB run a 110 service?
It's not for real. The article is written by someone in a fantasy world who struggles to master basic English.
Quote from: Mike K on September 10, 2016, 11:11:10 AM
It's not for real. The article is written by someone in a fantasy world who struggles to master basic English.
so it was wrote by somebody on this forum then
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 10, 2016, 10:08:18 AM
So would this have been Perry Barr as Sutton closed back in the 80's / 90's also did PB run a 110 service?
Midland Red North (Meridian) & then Arriva only have done the 110 as far as I can remember
@monkeyjoe
I did suspect, i must have been tired earlier.
4854 on Sutton Lines
4855 on 914
Quote from: Squiz1971 on September 10, 2016, 03:50:14 PM
Midland Red North (Meridian) & then Arriva only have done the 110 as far as I can remember @monkeyjoe
I might be wrong but didnt WMT gain some tendered journeys back in the late 80's?
Quote from: Squiz1971 on September 10, 2016, 03:50:14 PM
Midland Red North (Meridian) & then Arriva only have done the 110 as far as I can remember @monkeyjoe
AMPM Travel were on the 110 a couple of years ago. About 2010.
Quote from: 2206 on September 10, 2016, 07:07:30 PM
AMPM Travel were on the 110 a couple of years ago. About 2010.
16th January to 5th June 2010
Quote from: Westy on September 10, 2016, 06:58:00 PM
I might be wrong but didnt WMT gain some tendered journeys back in the late 80's?
Yes they did, they ran evening journeys between Sutton and Tamworth with Freight Rover Sherpas and Metroriders on a short term tender from Staffs before MRN won them back next round.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on September 10, 2016, 03:50:14 PM
Midland Red North (Meridian) & then Arriva only have done the 110 as far as I can remember @monkeyjoe
Midland Red North (Mercian)
Quote from: andy41 on September 12, 2016, 04:44:43 PM
Midland Red North (Mercian)
Knew it was something like that cheers
@andy41 for the correction
Crimson Gemini on the 77 today.
Apparently one of our ALX400s has suffered an engine fire while working the A52
EDIT - 4255
4928 is on the 101.
Quote from: John on September 17, 2016, 01:04:20 PM
Apparently one of our ALX400s has suffered an engine fire while working the A52
EDIT - 4255
Is it worth fixing up if it is feasible to do so or is the damage to extensive on a 15 year old bus?
@John
Quote from: Squiz1971 on September 17, 2016, 03:18:33 PM
Is it worth fixing up if it is feasible to do so or is the damage to extensive on a 15 year old bus? @John
From the pictures I've seen, there isn't any body damage, the interior was a bit water damaged. It is just whether the company would want to spend the money in repairs on a bus that won't be in service too much into the future
Quote from: John on September 17, 2016, 03:38:17 PM
From the pictures I've seen, there isn't any body damage, the interior was a bit water damaged. It is just whether the company would want to spend the money in repairs on a bus that won't be in service too much into the future
That will be a shame if the bus does succumb - beginning of the end for the type.
They all look terrible "down with em" , especially being on the 11 bad enough they are still on the 67 & 94
4687 on the 914
Quote from: Chris link=top935.msg197152#msg197152 date=1474278746
Any times @John please?
Only time I know for sure is it left Sutton just before 8. Its on the running board that 9 times out of 10, is s B7TL
If ive worked it out right, it should be the 12.07 from City, and then 1.47
@Chris
Quote from: Michael Bevan on September 28, 2016, 08:04:33 AM
4934 on PB77.
As I've said before, not unusual. 77 boards are marked up as 'Double Decker', not specifying which type. So any will be used, just 9 times out of 10, its a B7TL
6796 has arrived
Quote from: Tony on September 29, 2016, 05:08:12 PM
6796 has arrived
6797 arrived just before 9 this morning
Allocations seem to be a bit different today. Crimson 33 ticket branded Enviro400 and 4688 on the Sutton Lines, 4799 on the 914
There is a photo of 6798 in Dublin! (Visiting Bus Eireann according to the caption)
Quote from: Nathan on September 30, 2016, 07:58:06 PM
There is a photo of 6798 in Dublin! (Visiting Bus Eireann according to the caption)
Where
@Nathan?
Quote from: Squiz1971 on October 01, 2016, 01:48:10 PM
Where [color=navy@Nathan][/color]?
@Squiz1971 on a slight side note, why do you always colour peoples names?
Quote from: Dom on October 01, 2016, 01:52:27 PM
@Squiz1971 on a slight side note, why do you always colour peoples names?
looks nice
@Dom & a bad habit I guess as well
Quote from: Nathan on September 30, 2016, 07:58:06 PM
There is a photo of 6798 in Dublin! (Visiting Bus Eireann according to the caption)
We have a third one so it may have arrived now, or it's another one
Quote from: John on October 01, 2016, 02:34:22 PM
We have a third one so it may have arrived now, or it's another one
6798 has now arrived.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on October 03, 2016, 10:11:42 AM
Dublin?
Ireland.
I meant where is the PHOTO not the BUS itself as I gathered its in Ireland at the time of posting
@The Real 4778 thank you
Quote from: Squiz1971 on October 03, 2016, 02:33:49 PM
I meant where is the PHOTO not the BUS itself as I gathered its in Ireland at the time of posting @The Real 4778 thank you
You can't really see the surroundings of Dublin the best but here's one of 6798 in Dublin that I just found on Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/111752039@N08/29401377603/in/dateposted/
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on October 03, 2016, 08:52:52 PM
You can't really see the surroundings of Dublin the best but here's one of 6798 in Dublin that I just found on Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/111752039@N08/29401377603/in/dateposted/
That was the photo i was referring to.
Quote from: Nathan on October 03, 2016, 08:57:22 PM
That was the photo i was referring to.
Hmm. Wonder if my friend, ex Walsall driver Martin Thacker, has spotted that one, as he works out of Dublin?
When are the platinums coming into service then?
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on October 03, 2016, 08:52:52 PM
You can't really see the surroundings of Dublin the best but here's one of 6798 in Dublin that I just found on Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/111752039@N08/29401377603/in/dateposted/
That's a great photo - thanks for sharing the link!
Quote from: Nxwm on October 03, 2016, 10:05:44 PM
When are the platinums coming into service then?
Not yet. They are not branded and type training is not complete
Quote from: The Real 4778 on October 04, 2016, 09:47:57 AM
That's a great photo - thanks for sharing the link!
No problem! I just thought that it would be better to have a pic of it passing a Dublin Bus/with them in the background but I agree it is still a great photo
X11? Care to shed light on this, anyone?
See photos of 6797 and 6796.
Quote from: clayderman on October 04, 2016, 04:23:35 PM
X11?
Care to shed light on this, anyone?
See photos of 6797 and 6796.
Boots Distribution Centre.
I suspect by the end of November. Some are probably still being built in Falkirk.
Quote from: markcf83 on October 04, 2016, 04:28:56 PM
I suspect by the end of November. Some are probably still being built in Falkirk.
I'm think 23rd October to coincide with the timetable changes "Morning peak changes" and new 07:25 journey from Castle Vale on 904 service.
Information for NWM Email: PDF link: https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/ways-to-travel/bus/upcoming-bus-changes/ - Not on Website at the moment...
Quote from: Adam 404 on October 04, 2016, 05:03:56 PM
I'm think 23rd October to coincide with the timetable changes "Morning peak changes" and new 07:25 journey from Castle Vale on 904 service.
Information for NWM Email: PDF link: https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/ways-to-travel/bus/upcoming-bus-changes/ - Not on Website at the moment...
19 days for around 22 more buses to arrive, be checked, branded. Really? Yes some may be in service by then but not all, and they wouldn't focus it around a route change anyway.
Quote from: Nathan on October 03, 2016, 08:57:22 PM
That was the photo i was referring to.
Cheers
@Nathan I had a link sent to me last night with that Picture & another by the same guy on Flickr.
It is a great picture & there is a just as good one of 6796/7/8 on the main site now too
Quote from: Adam 404 on October 04, 2016, 05:03:56 PM
I'm think 23rd October to coincide with the timetable changes "Morning peak changes" and new 07:25 journey from Castle Vale on 904 service.
Information for NWM Email: PDF link: https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/ways-to-travel/bus/upcoming-bus-changes/ - Not on Website at the moment...
Castle Vale? The 904 does not currently go to Castle Vale, is it being extended?
Quote from: Adam 404 on October 04, 2016, 05:03:56 PM
I'm think 23rd October to coincide with the timetable changes "Morning peak changes" and new 07:25 journey from Castle Vale on 904 service.
Information for NWM Email: PDF link: https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/ways-to-travel/bus/upcoming-bus-changes/ - Not on Website at the moment...
Single Decks are going to be quite common then...
If it has to go under the same bridge as the 71 in Castle Vale, which is the only logical way I can think of, for getting the bus towards Minworth...
Quote from: Alex on October 04, 2016, 08:05:38 PM
Single Decks are going to be quite common then...
If it has to go under the same bridge as the 71 in Castle Vale, which is the only logical way I can think of, for getting the bus towards Minworth...
It could use a decker if it used Chester Road and Kingsbury Road as the current 71A does.
Re: 904 and Castle Vale - wouldn't surprise me if that was an error on TfWM's part (probably meant Minworth instead of Castle Vale), or it's just a new extra school journey added, nothing to get too excited about.
Quote from: clayderman on October 04, 2016, 04:23:35 PM
X11? Care to shed light on this, anyone?
See photos of 6797 and 6796.
Its a workers service to boots in burton although i thought central buses ran this
Central Buses operate 3 of the 4 X11 departures.
Quote from: andyr on October 05, 2016, 11:28:41 AM
Central Buses operate 3 of the 4 X11 departures.
Cheers wasn't aware there was multiple departures
Was there a Scania on loan to PB yesterday?
If the main site is correct (and I have no doubt it isn't) and PB has no more red/white Omnilinks, then what did I see on the 46 around 1700 leaving City Centre? Too far to ID but I think it might've been BY's 1800?
Quote from: clayderman on October 06, 2016, 08:10:40 AM
Was there a Scania on loan to PB yesterday?
If the main site is correct (and I have no doubt it isn't) and PB has no more red/white Omnilinks, then what did I see on the 46 around 1700 leaving City Centre? Too far to ID but I think it might've been BY's 1800?
It might have been 1819 as that was sighted be on loan a few days ago
Quote from: clayderman on October 06, 2016, 08:10:40 AM
Was there a Scania on loan to PB yesterday?
If the main site is correct (and I have no doubt it isn't) and PB has no more red/white Omnilinks, then what did I see on the 46 around 1700 leaving City Centre? Too far to ID but I think it might've been BY's 1800?
Not sure if it's the same Scania I saw on Friday, 1816 was on 65 then.
I see the 757 is not being withdrawn then
Quote from: Nxwm on October 06, 2016, 06:16:32 PM
I see the 757 is not being withdrawn then
A) wrong garage
B) Why would it be?
Quote from: Dom on October 06, 2016, 07:13:24 PM
A) wrong garage
B) Why would it be?
We do run the 757, It is not very well used, but it is being given one last chance until new year
http://www.suttoncoldfieldobserver.co.uk/u-turn-on-decision-to-scrap-school-bus-route-linking-erdington-with-streetly-academy-and-arthur-terry-schools-in-sutton-coldfield/story-29784232-detail/story.html
Quote from: John on October 06, 2016, 07:22:21 PM
We do run the 757, It is not very well used, but it is being given one last chance until new year
http://www.suttoncoldfieldobserver.co.uk/u-turn-on-decision-to-scrap-school-bus-route-linking-erdington-with-streetly-academy-and-arthur-terry-schools-in-sutton-coldfield/story-29784232-detail/story.html
Thought he meant the bus haha, my bad. Apologies
@Nxwm
Quote from: John on October 06, 2016, 07:22:21 PM
We do run the 757, It is not very well used, but it is being given one last chance until new year
http://www.suttoncoldfieldobserver.co.uk/u-turn-on-decision-to-scrap-school-bus-route-linking-erdington-with-streetly-academy-and-arthur-terry-schools-in-sutton-coldfield/story-29784232-detail/story.html
It's interesting to see the comparison: NX claim the service has 'poor loadings', while someone claims that 'around 50 children from both schools' regularly use the service so in their eyes it is "well used". So that averages to 25 children per school, and don't forget that children only pay half fare. I would imagine that the service is operated commercially too, hence why NX wants to make the journey earlier, presumably so they can fit into another schedule to make it more cost-effective.
I also love the following quote: "Questions are being asked about this. This has triggered and highlighted an issue that bus companies can do what it wants and hopefully some good will come out of this." And again, if its a commercially operated bus route, then I'm afraid the bus operator
can do what it wants, and if the service is not commercially viable they are entitled to drop it, or adjust it to a schedule where they feel they can keep it viable. Use it or lose it, I'm afraid.
Quote from: Stu on October 06, 2016, 08:13:13 PM
It's interesting to see the comparison: NX claim the service has 'poor loadings', while someone claims that 'around 50 children from both schools' regularly use the service so in their eyes it is "well used". So that averages to 25 children per school, and don't forget that children only pay half fare. I would imagine that the service is operated commercially too, hence why NX wants to make the journey earlier, presumably so they can fit into another schedule to make it more cost-effective.
I also love the following quote: "Questions are being asked about this. This has triggered and highlighted an issue that bus companies can do what it wants and hopefully some good will come out of this." And again, if its a commercially operated bus route, then I'm afraid the bus operator can do what it wants, and if the service is not commercially viable they are entitled to drop it, or adjust it to a schedule where they feel they can keep it viable. Use it or lose it, I'm afraid.
i agree use it or loose it no good moaning after
This explains why the 904 is going from Castle Vale on one trip (from NXWM site)
School service 71A - This school days service is withdrawn and replaced by a service 904 journey starting at Castle Vale at 0725
Service 46A - This school days service is withdrawn and replaced by an additional 997 journey
4800 is on the 914 today.
A ticket branded 484*/485* E400 is on the 902/904/905 today.
Have the platinums gone into service yet?
Quote from: Nxwm on October 08, 2016, 11:20:27 PM
Have the platinums gone into service yet?
If they had, don't you think someone would have already posted ???
Quote from: Winston on October 08, 2016, 11:33:44 PM
If they had, don't you think someone would have already posted ???
True say
@Winston still member know lol!
The new buses on 902/4/5 I've heard will start 24 oct
Quote from: Solo1 on October 10, 2016, 02:02:00 PM
The new buses on 902/4/5 I've heard will start 24 oct
I've heard earlier
Quote from: Adam 404 on October 04, 2016, 05:03:56 PM
I'm thinking 23rd October to coincide with the timetable changes "Morning peak changes" and new 07:25 journey from Castle Vale on 904 service.
Information for NWM Email: PDF link: https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/ways-to-travel/bus/upcoming-bus-changes/ - Not on Website at the moment...
Quote from: Dom on October 04, 2016, 05:10:32 PM
19 days for around 22 more buses to arrive, be checked, branded. Really? Yes some may be in service by then but not all, and they wouldn't focus it around a route change anyway.
Quote from: Solo1 on October 10, 2016, 02:02:00 PM
The new buses on 902/4/5 I've heard will start 24 oct
Looks like my wonderful prediction skills were right ;D - No, I don't have next weeks lottery numbers...
That's a lot of extra space in the garage to find for all these unused new buses.
Quote from: Adam 404 on October 10, 2016, 04:48:07 PM
Looks like my wonderful prediction skills were right ;D - No, I don't have next weeks lottery numbers...
They are staring earlier than the 24th I've heard. 17th October is the start date for the ones fit for service by then
Quote from: Gareth on October 10, 2016, 04:48:20 PM
That's a lot of extra space in the garage to find for all these unused new buses.
We will more than likely lose 6 buses when the new ones enter service, then transfer one out for each new MMC to enter service
Wonder if they'll go to the trouble of route-branding them, especially if the route numbers are changing in December?
I imagine the branding will be similar to the 93x series at Walsall. Then just peel off the '90' and '91' and apply an 'X' ;)
Quote from: Stu on October 10, 2016, 06:57:52 PM
Wonder if they'll go to the trouble of route-branding them, especially if the route numbers are changing in December?
I imagine the branding will be similar to the 93x series at Walsall. Then just peel off the '90' and '91' and apply an 'X' ;)
They are route branded already, silver but as you said, similar to the Walsall buses. They are not having route numbers on the branding until the changes in December
Quote from: Stu on October 10, 2016, 06:57:52 PM
Wonder if they'll go to the trouble of route-branding them, especially if the route numbers are changing in December?
I imagine the branding will be similar to the 93x series at Walsall. Then just peel off the '90' and '91' and apply an 'X' ;)
I took 6800 out for a photo shoot today
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6800.html
Quote from: Tony on October 10, 2016, 07:25:55 PM
I took 6800 out for a photo shoot today
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6800.html
I knew You had, I saw you at around 1sh at Perry barr
Quote from: Wilko52 on October 10, 2016, 07:30:08 PM
I knew You had, I saw you at around 1sh at Perry barr
A director wanted a photo for a report, so perfect chance for me to do it with my own camera
Quote from: Stu on October 10, 2016, 06:57:52 PM
Wonder if they'll go to the trouble of route-branding them, especially if the route numbers are changing in December?
I imagine the branding will be similar to the 93x series at Walsall. Then just peel off the '90' and '91' and apply an 'X' ;)
What changes in December what have I missed? They going to X as well.
Opps just saw the post.
With names on the new PB platinums (so far) being the same as the E400's they will replace, I wonder if this means they will be going to another garage rather than just being used to replace older PB vehicles directly.
Quote from: Stu on October 10, 2016, 06:57:52 PM
Wonder if they'll go to the trouble of route-branding them, especially if the route numbers are changing in December?
I imagine the branding will be similar to the 93x series at Walsall. Then just peel off the '90' and '91' and apply an 'X' ;)
Quote from: John on October 10, 2016, 07:16:34 PM
They are route branded already, silver but as you said, similar to the Walsall buses. They are not having route numbers on the branding until the changes in December
Even if they had, 902 will become the X6? - so not as simple as peeling of '90'.. :P Speaking of which, anyone else concerned that customers on the Sutton end will think it's an express of WA6? Hopefully people won't be so ignorant, but I'm not ruling that idea out...
To be honest, I'm not too fond of the X prefix
renumbering, though I do suppose it makes sense - given that they are all express/limited stop services.
EDIT: I've just realised the aforementioned problem of confusing the X6 as an express of WA6 could also apply to services 5/6 in Birmingham City Centre; slightly less likely, as AG5/YW6 shares Moor Street
narrowly with the X5/X6
EDIT 2: To avoid confusion, by "narrowly" I mean that the X5/X6 will cross each other's route at Moor Street, when the (X)5/(X)6 leaves/turns onto Albert Street.
I saw an E400 (believe it was 4921) that has now been debranded
Where are the ex Suttons going to go?
Quote from: Chris on October 11, 2016, 07:13:29 PM
Where are the ex Suttons going to go?
I've been told West Brom to allow Presidents to be withdrawn. I was told this by a reliable source.
I saw a post on fb suggesting the 127/8 are getting them.
Quote from: Dom on October 11, 2016, 07:39:27 PM
I've been told West Brom to allow Presidents to be withdrawn. I was told this by quite a reliable source.
They're not all going to the same place
Quote from: Tony on October 11, 2016, 07:40:15 PM
They're not all going to the same place
At a wild guess West Brom as
@Dom stated and either BC/YW
Won't be the 94 lol. I Wonder if it might get streetdecks, rode one on my local route in London 140 nice buses
Quote from: Tony on October 11, 2016, 07:40:15 PM
They're not all going to the same place
So they're splitting up the batch, to replace Presidents?
Quote from: Tony on October 11, 2016, 07:40:15 PM
They're not all going to the same place
At a guess, i'd say:
4914-4929 to BC for the 63
4930-4939 to WB for the 127/128
Quote from: Alex on October 11, 2016, 07:57:12 PM
At a guess, i'd say:
4914-4929 to BC for the 63
4930-4939 to WB for the 127/128
Well there are 9 boards on the 127 so that figure is out, don't think they'd do the 127/128 either. I personally think the 5 would get upgraded.
Quote from: Dom on October 11, 2016, 08:03:46 PM
Well there are 9 boards on the 127 so that figure is out, don't think they'd do the 127/128 either. I personally think the 5 would get upgraded.
10 buses for nine boards is the correct number, why do you think otherwise?
Quote from: Tony on October 11, 2016, 08:04:46 PM
10 buses for nine boards is the correct number, why do you think otherwise?
They 'normally' seem to go for two spares but I completely forgot to count as buses not normal numbers and ignore the 0. My bad either way
Is that a strong hint these 127/8 rumours from fb are true then?
Quote from: Dom on October 11, 2016, 08:07:40 PM
They 'normally' seem to go for two spares but I completely forgot to count as buses not normal numbers and ignore the 0. My bad either way
Spares are a percentage, not a number
Quote from: Tony on October 11, 2016, 08:11:54 PM
Spares are a percentage, not a number
Is that percentage normally 10% then?
Quote from: Dom on October 11, 2016, 08:13:08 PM
Is that percentage normally 10% then?
I believe that is the number.
I remember it being said on the forum that buses are ordered with 10% spares so that number may also apply for transfers
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 11, 2016, 08:09:22 PM
Is that a strong hint these 127/8 rumours from fb are true then?
That guess of transfer numbers is wrong anyway
4687 is due to receive the name Talasia-Rose nominated by a safer travel competition winner, first of the batch named
This is only a maybe, but the Platinums may start to enter service tomorrow
Surely would make more sense to put them on the 80, less PVR than the 127/128, occasionally gets spare Enviros anyway, putting them on the 127/128 wouldn't even fully upgrade the Warley corridor
Quote from: Sh4318 on October 11, 2016, 09:09:02 PM
Surely would make more sense to put them on the 80, less PVR than the 127/128, occasionally gets spare Enviros anyway, putting them on the 127/128 wouldn't even fully upgrade the Warley corridor
The 80 iirc has 6 all day boards, 2 morning peaks and 1 afternoon peak. Which is where the idea I said to a friend of mine earlier came from, the 5 and 80?
Quote from: Dom on October 11, 2016, 09:15:37 PM
The 80 iirc has 6 all day boards, 2 morning peaks and 1 afternoon peak. Which is where the idea I said to a friend of mine earlier came from, the 5 and 80?
The 5 Presidents can & most likely will be replaced with Euro 3 B7TL/ALX400's as there's no restrictions on emission requirements like Central Birmingham routes.
Quote from: OH25 on October 11, 2016, 06:57:35 PM
I saw an E400 (believe it was 4921) that has now been debranded
4917 has too. Just left Erdington City bound.
No Platinums made it out today
Rumour has it that Wolverhampton might need some newer stock before mid 2017 as Wolverhampton centre is going to a SQP...
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 12, 2016, 05:30:39 PM
Rumour has it that Wolverhampton might need some newer stock before mid 2017 as Wolverhampton centre is going to a SQP...
Wolverhampton s fleet already meets the possible 2017 regulations
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 12, 2016, 05:30:39 PM
Rumour has it that Wolverhampton might need some newer stock before mid 2017 as Wolverhampton centre is going to a SQP...
looks like the smaller operators will have to get new buses or upgrade the buses they have
Quote from: Solo1 on October 12, 2016, 07:36:18 PM
looks like the smaller operators will have to get new buses or upgrade the buses they have
Lets hope 'Lets Go' go for good at that point!
Quite surprised to see a 97 branded Trident (4472) parked inside PB
A Platinum bus will be on show in the Gracechurch Centre, Sutton tomorrow
I know I said it the other day but there may be some new buses out tomorrow, if not then it should be Monday
4915 now de-branded and on the 33
6797; 6800 & 6802 (at least) all out today
You will soon miss the 49xx John :(
Quote from: BU07 LGO on October 14, 2016, 08:41:28 AM
You will soon miss the 49xx John :(
Why? The MMCs can't be much worse than the current Enviro400s!
Quote from: John on October 14, 2016, 09:16:54 AM
Why? The MMCs can't be much worse than the current Enviro400s!
I would miss the Enviro 400s like Hilary Clinton would miss Donald Trump.
Quote from: John on October 14, 2016, 09:16:54 AM
Why? The MMCs can't be much worse than the current Enviro400s!
That's what I thought until we had them! It's the door interlock which ruins them and they're even slower than the 48xx!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on October 14, 2016, 02:36:09 PM
That's what I thought until we had them! It's the door interlock which ruins them and they're even slower than the 48xx!
Great! I'm waiting to see if the stop-start affects pulling away from stops
Quote from: BU07 LGO on October 14, 2016, 02:36:09 PM
That's what I thought until we had them! It's the door interlock which ruins them and they're even slower than the 48xx!
The door interlock on the 48s and 49s is terrible. When your running late and you close the doors and you hear that click a couple of seconds the doors are closed, then you put your foot on the gas and theres that pause and it seems to crawl for the first couple of seconds, its like torture when you want to pull away quick.
In fact everything seems to have a delay, the indicators seem to come on a second after you press them, as does the horn. I just wish NX hadnt have purchased so many of them.
Quote from: Tony on October 14, 2016, 06:24:33 AM
6797; 6800 & 6802 (at least) all out today
Saw 6796 on the 870 by the Abbey School about 8:10 while I was on the 28 just before I got off there myself
@Tony
Quote from: John on October 13, 2016, 04:22:38 PM
A Platinum bus will be on show in the Gracechurch Centre, Sutton tomorrow
I know I said it the other day but there may be some new buses out tomorrow, if not then it should be Monday
4915 now de-branded and on the 33
So is 4916 saw it by the Gym/Wilton Market about 15:15 unbranded
Had a good look round 6799 at Gracechurch Centre today. Very impressed. Only grumble is that my Sutton to City route is the poor old 907 which is now the only non Platinum route between Sutton and Birmingham. The poor relation route. Why users of that service are being treated as second class escapes me. So I guess it's no wifi and knees pressed into seat in front for the forseeable future. Seems a bit petty by NX. What have 907 users done to upset NX? Any thoughts Tony?
Quote from: RW on October 14, 2016, 05:51:18 PM
Had a good look round 6799 at Gracechurch Centre today. Very impressed. Only grumble is that my Sutton to City route is the poor old 907 which is now the only non Platinum route between Sutton and Birmingham. The poor relation route. Why users of that service are being treated as second class escapes me. So I guess it's no wifi and knees pressed into seat in front for the forseeable future. Seems a bit petty by NX. What have 907 users done to upset NX? Any thoughts Tony?
Drivers mean the route not quick enough ;) I believe it is only fairly direct routes that get platinum? 907 is slowest of the lot?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 14, 2016, 06:09:48 PM
Drivers mean the route not quick enough ;) I believe it is only fairly direct routes that get platinum? 907 is slowest of the lot?
907 is quicker than 914
Quote from: John on October 14, 2016, 02:53:50 PM
Great! I'm waiting to see if the stop-start affects pulling away from stops
Recent changes to WNs Platinums have proven very successful and are being rolled out on approx 10 more buses, with the view to the whole of WNs Platinums being reprogrammed with the new software for the gearbox ECU.
I'm fairly certain that it'll be rolled out to Perry Barrs new Platinums too, if not do what we have done, report it all on a pink.
I know I've said it before, but as now the 914 is included in the Platinum brand, will we be receiving more MMCs for all routes more than the original 26? When the current 49** Enviro400 (there were 26 of these too) buses were new, the PVR for the 902/4/5 and 914 was less than 26, but since last year the PVR increased resulting in ALX400s and Geminis regularly appearing even on all day running boards (914/06 nearly every day is a B7TL)
At first we were told that only the Erdington routes would have them, which 26 MMCs would have bee enough. But there are at least 22 902 boards with peak/school extras and 7 914 boards (including 1 AM peak and 1 PM peak), so there will not be enough Platinum buses for even the normal daytime service not counting the peak extras and school buses.
Quote from: Driver03 on October 14, 2016, 06:37:05 PM
Recent changes to WNs Platinums have proven very successful and are being rolled out on approx 10 more buses, with the view to the whole of WNs Platinums being reprogrammed with the new software for the gearbox ECU.
I'm fairly certain that it'll be rolled out to Perry Barrs new Platinums too, if not do what we have done, report it all on a pink.
How has the reprogramming changed them
@Driver03 ?
I did travel on a 529 when they were first coming out, and it seemed to take a second or two for the engine to restart and for the bus to pull away
Quote from: RW on October 14, 2016, 05:51:18 PM
Had a good look round 6799 at Gracechurch Centre today. Very impressed. Only grumble is that my Sutton to City route is the poor old 907 which is now the only non Platinum route between Sutton and Birmingham. The poor relation route. Why users of that service are being treated as second class escapes me. So I guess it's no wifi and knees pressed into seat in front for the forseeable future. Seems a bit petty by NX. What have 907 users done to upset NX? Any thoughts Tony?
There are a lot more deserving routes than the 907 in my view and it's not Sutton routes get neglected including the 907 which gets made into a limited up and get those box looking buses from last time I was in Brum.
Quote from: John on October 14, 2016, 06:55:25 PM
How has the reprogramming changed them @Driver03 ?
I did travel on a 529 when they were first coming out, and it seemed to take a second or two for the engine to restart and for the bus to pull away
In essence it's changed the timing of the gear changes so instead of changing at say 1500rpm it's been remapped to slightly later giving them the additional pull away power they so desperately lacked. If you drive one fresh and cold out of the garage you'll see how they pull away smoothly however once the engine warms up they go into eco mode which is where they become slow, the remapping addresses this issue
@John :)
Quote from: Driver03 on October 14, 2016, 07:34:33 PM
In essence it's changed the timing of the gear changes so instead of changing at say 1500rpm it's been remapped to slightly later giving them the additional pull away power they so desperately lacked. If you drive one fresh and cold out of the garage you'll see how they pull away smoothly however once the engine warms up they go into eco mode which is where they become slow, the remapping addresses this issue @John :)
Thanks
@Driver03 . That sounds a lot better than our current Sutton Enviro400s. They changed up at 1500rpm, and struggled for power as they were in too high a gear for the road speed
Quote from: John on October 14, 2016, 07:36:35 PM
Thanks @Driver03 . That sounds a lot better than our current Sutton Enviro400s. They changed up at 1500rpm, and struggled for power as they were in too high a gear for the road speed
The key to the whole thing was that Voith worked closely with NX to come to the solution and the problem was apparent because drivers reported all the issues on "pink" report forms and also fed back to the Union. I know sometimes drivers don't feel like reports make a difference but honestly they do and I'd encourage all drivers to report any issues.
Quote from: RW on October 14, 2016, 05:51:18 PM
Had a good look round 6799 at Gracechurch Centre today. Very impressed. Only grumble is that my Sutton to City route is the poor old 907 which is now the only non Platinum route between Sutton and Birmingham. The poor relation route. Why users of that service are being treated as second class escapes me. So I guess it's no wifi and knees pressed into seat in front for the forseeable future. Seems a bit petty by NX. What have 907 users done to upset NX? Any thoughts Tony?
The 907 was previously the 107 and was all stops from Sutton to City. Since the 907 started people now have a fast bus into the City using the flyover at Perry Barr and underpass at Six Ways Aston.
Just cus it is City to Sutton like the 904 doesnt mean it has to be Platinum too. There are people in Aston who have to catch 2 buses to go to Sutton now as they would have previously caught the 107 so its not just you who's hard done by.
The thing is that you can't please everybody at once. Everyone would love their local route to get new buses, but if some people had their way, NX would be buying 1500 new buses every year, which isn't going to happen.
Quote from: Stu on October 14, 2016, 08:07:01 PM
The thing is that you can't please everybody at once. Everyone would love their local route to get new buses, but if some people had their way, NX would be buying 1500 new buses every year, which isn't going to happen.
Not me. I'm quite satisfied with the Geminis down this way. These B7TL ALX400s are quite interesting too.
Quote from: RW on October 14, 2016, 05:51:18 PM
Had a good look round 6799 at Gracechurch Centre today. Very impressed. Only grumble is that my Sutton to City route is the poor old 907 which is now the only non Platinum route between Sutton and Birmingham. The poor relation route. Why users of that service are being treated as second class escapes me. So I guess it's no wifi and knees pressed into seat in front for the forseeable future. Seems a bit petty by NX. What have 907 users done to upset NX? Any thoughts Tony?
I'm disappointed that the 907 has been left out of the platinum buses, it's been my route for years and has suffered from delays especially around New Oscott, this service needs new life and not to be left out. It needs to removed from One Stop and New Oscott (Tesco) to improve reliability and give it a future with a small local service to link One Stop with New Oscott (not commercially viable is not an excuse as the only reason the 52 and 52a doubled the frequency from 3 to 6 buses an hour was so it would fit in with the 33 and 51 when it was revised last year). I have attached my idea for the 907 for you to look at (my services are 42, 906 and 907)
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 15, 2016, 07:53:31 AM
I'm disappointed that the 907 has been left out of the platinum buses, it's been my route for years and has suffered from delays especially around New Oscott, this service needs new life and not to be left out. It needs to removed from One Stop and New Oscott (Tesco) to improve reliability and give it a future with a small local service to link One Stop with New Oscott (not commercially viable is not an excuse as the only reason the 52 and 52a doubled the frequency from 3 to 6 buses an hour was so it would fit in with the 33 and 51 when it was revised last year). I have attached my idea for the 907 for you to look at (my services are 42, 906 and 907)
I'm sure you attatched the same document less than a year ago.
Quote from: Dom on October 15, 2016, 07:54:43 AM
I'm sure you attatched the same document less than a year ago.
I did
This 907 debate is a load of cobblers. As a kid I lived just off Chester Road by Monmouth Drive, and we had the 113 (or 377), then the 107 at the Bush, and by the College the 42, as my daily options to get to school across town. We moved back a year ago, and my son has to do an equivalent journey, with the only option being the 907. He doesn't care if it's Platinum, connecting bars B7, Miller Street Fleetline or a red D9, he just needs it to run.
Any new Platinums on the 904/5/914 today ?
From what I read of their Twitter feed it will be a phased introduction onto the rest of the Sutton corridor. Suspect by the end of the month there will be more of them in service.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on October 16, 2016, 09:25:00 AM
Any new Platinums on the 904/5/914 today ?
6798 & 6800 out so far with two boards not showing yet
Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2016, 10:36:01 AM
6798 & 6800 out so far with two boards not showing yet
Ok many thanks
@Tony
I must say PB have wasted no time on getting the Platinums out on the road.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on October 16, 2016, 11:34:24 AM
I must say PB have wasted no time on getting the Platinums out on the road.
Whilst pensnett are forever waiting
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 16, 2016, 12:12:44 PM
Whilst pensnett are forever waiting
There's a big difference here. Mainly being Perry Barr have Platinums, Pensnett don't!
Quote from: Gareth on October 16, 2016, 12:19:16 PM
There's a big difference here. Mainly being Perry Barr have Platinums, Pensnett don't!
Plus PN are waiting for BC to get their new Platinum's so the YX15 plate Platinum's can transfer over to PN
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 15, 2016, 07:53:31 AM
I'm disappointed that the 907 has been left out of the platinum buses, it's been my route for years and has suffered from delays especially around New Oscott, this service needs new life and not to be left out. It needs to removed from One Stop and New Oscott (Tesco) to improve reliability and give it a future with a small local service to link One Stop with New Oscott (not commercially viable is not an excuse as the only reason the 52 and 52a doubled the frequency from 3 to 6 buses an hour was so it would fit in with the 33 and 51 when it was revised last year). I have attached my idea for the 907 for you to look at (my services are 42, 906 and 907)
The only problem with this is traffic is particularly bad on chester road on Sunday, yet you plan for the 907 to serve beggars bush then
Quote from: Lukeee on October 16, 2016, 06:02:11 PM
The only problem with this is traffic is particularly bad on chester road on Sunday, yet you plan for the 907 to serve beggars bush then
I agree with you there, the problem is how to deal with this when the PVR on Sunday is 3 buses, I know I've increased it on Monday to Saturday where NXWM would possibly (I stress possibly !!!) would increase the PVR but I don't think they'll want to do that on Sundays.
Its all very well coming up with detailed proposals like this, but you really need to present them to the bus operator for any chance of making them happen.
If you really feel so strongly about this, take it up directly with NX, or pass it on to your local councillor or MP to look at.
Quote from: Stu on October 16, 2016, 06:32:02 PM
Its all very well coming up with detailed proposals like this, but you really need to present them to the bus operator for any chance of making them happen.
If you really feel so strongly about this, take it up directly with NX, or pass it on to your local councillor or MP to look at.
I did, I sent it to NXWM by email, guess what ...... no reply !!1
Anybody know if all the platinums delivered so far will be out in service 2mrw
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 16, 2016, 06:06:15 PM
I agree with you there, the problem is how to deal with this when the PVR on Sunday is 3 buses, I know I've increased it on Monday to Saturday where NXWM would possibly (I stress possibly !!!) would increase the PVR but I don't think they'll want to do that on Sundays.
The only other way around it would be to add extra running time to each journey, the problem is this would require either a 4th bus or a route for the 907 to interwork with (I'm believe it did/does interwork with the 914 on evenings/Sundays) to try make a 4th bus profitable
Quote from: Lukeee on October 17, 2016, 12:19:18 AM
The only other way around it would be to add extra running time to each journey, the problem is this would require either a 4th bus or a route for the 907 to interwork with (I'm believe it did/does interwork with the 914 on evenings/Sundays) to try make a 4th bus profitable
Only evenings they interwork. That is stopping when the 914 goes Platinum
Quote from: Nxwm on October 16, 2016, 07:40:30 PM
Anybody know if all the platinums delivered so far will be out in service 2mrw
6798 is out saw in Erdington on a 902 to Hill Hook about 12:35 today
@Nxwm
Quote from: John on October 17, 2016, 08:57:38 AM
Only evenings they interwork. That is stopping when the 914 goes Platinum
Cheers john any idea if the 907 will interwork with something else or just on its own?
Quote from: Lukeee on October 17, 2016, 10:04:40 PM
Cheers john any idea if the 907 will interwork with something else or just on its own?
There wouldn't be anything else suitable to interwork the 907 with, so I guess it would remain separate
re. OmniLink on the 67 in the noteworthy thread. Pretty sure this comes off the afternoon 71S so happens every day
Quote from: John on October 17, 2016, 10:17:17 PM
There wouldn't be anything else suitable to interwork the 907 with, so I guess it would remain separate
Correct me if am wrong but some years ago the 107 inter work with the 905 didn't it?
Quote from: Nxwm on October 19, 2016, 01:36:37 PM
Correct me if am wrong but some years ago the 107 inter work with the 905 didn't it?
It was the 904 when it terminated in Sutton
Quote from: Tony on October 19, 2016, 01:58:06 PM
It was the 904 when it terminated in Sutton
I know when I worked briefly at PB the 107 would change into a 114 at Sutton and visa versa.
4287 new advert bus on 16 see photo link for photo of it
Quote from: Nxwm on October 19, 2016, 01:36:37 PM
Correct me if am wrong but some years ago the 107 inter work with the 905 didn't it?
Yes it did, when the Sutton Lines were introduced in April 2000. The 107 was changed in City Centre from High Street/Carrs Lane to Bull Street to enable the 905's to change to every other 107. 905's were very often late coming into City leading to the 107's leaving late.
Quote from: Solo1 on October 19, 2016, 03:55:16 PM
4287 new advert bus on 16 see photo link for photo of it
There is no live link for 4287 on the NX WM Cov & XD photo page
@Solo1
Quote from: Squiz1971 on October 19, 2016, 06:28:33 PM
There is no live link for 4287 on the NX WM Cov & XD photo page @Solo1
I've made it live for him!
I noticed this morning while on 28 the bus stop by JLR on Chester Road/Spitfire Island heading towards Erdington now has the 904 as well as the 28 67 on it. Not sure if the stop by Halfords is the same forgot to look. I take it when the new 7:25am from the Vale starts the 904 will go this way before I guess going down Kingsbury Road before joining normal route from the Asda @ Minworth??
6807/8 seen in Glasgow on delivery earlier
Quote from: Tony on October 20, 2016, 07:08:21 PM
6807/8 seen in Glasgow on delivery earlier
6807 has arrived, so I guess 6808 also has
6806 and 6815 are also here
Debranded 4919 is on the 77 today.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 21, 2016, 08:02:31 AM
Debranded 4919 is on the 77 today.
Sat with its hazards flashing by the Beggar's Bush at 0900. 4780 had to pull round it.
PB Gemini on late 33s, 22:10 One Stop outbound
Apparently not unusual even for a late night run, so put it in here
Quote from: Kevin on October 22, 2016, 10:14:10 PM
PB Gemini on late 33s, 22:10 One Stop outbound
Apparently not unusual even for a late night run, so put it in here
I'd say unusual
Quote from: Kevin on October 22, 2016, 10:14:10 PM
PB Gemini on late 33s, 22:10 One Stop outbound
Apparently not unusual even for a late night run, so put it in here
I only saw 4496 on 33, so maybe it might be that Gemini you saw?
Debranded 4919 is on the 16 today
Which is Pb most high profile route now 33, 16 or 904 series. discuss?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 23, 2016, 02:42:13 PM
Which is Pb most high profile route now 33, 16 or 904 series. discuss?
With the introduction of the Platinums, surely the Sutton Lines services?
Quote from: Stu on October 23, 2016, 02:52:01 PM
With the introduction of the Platinums, surely the Sutton Lines services?
It's always been the Sutton Lines for me
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 23, 2016, 02:42:13 PM
Which is Pb most high profile route now 33, 16 or 904 series. discuss?
Probably the Sutton routes followed by the 33.
Seeing a 904E today, had me thinking if we'll see the awful X4E in the future. Reminds me of the rediculous S3E of days gone by.
Quote from: Gareth on October 23, 2016, 08:14:49 PM
Seeing a 904E today, had me thinking if we'll see the awful X4E in the future. Reminds me of the rediculous S3E of days gone by.
It will probably do what the X96 does and just say X4 Sutton Coldfield
Any idea why doesn't the next stop announcement work travelled on 6798 and it wasn't working
Quote from: clayderman on October 23, 2016, 01:38:52 PM
Debranded 4919 is on the 16 today
4922 was on there yesterday.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 23, 2016, 02:42:13 PM
Which is Pb most high profile route now 33, 16 or 904 series. discuss?
Sutton lines, the 33 seems to have taken a step back due to the success of the 934/935/936/937
Sampled 6804 today. Nice and clean, smooth ride (apart from the shuddering when it restarts). I see the preset internal displays are nicely up to date showing Travel West Midlands!
4687 is on the 94 today.
A unbranded 49** E400 is on the 16 today.
Quote from: 2206 on October 24, 2016, 04:35:54 PM
4687 is on the 94 today.
A unbranded 49** E400 is on the 16 today.
I think that 4781 might be on the 94 too. I'm pretty sure it wasn't 4687 that I saw. Didn't see the holes either side of the destination.
Edit* ah yes, I've just seen your other post mentioning 4781
6807 is out on 904 pic in photo links how many more have
arrived above 07
Quote from: Solo1 on October 24, 2016, 05:50:35 PM
6807 is out on 904 pic in photo links how many more have
arrived above 07
To my knowledge, only 6815
Quote from: Solo1 on October 24, 2016, 05:50:35 PM
6807 is out on 904 pic in photo links how many more have
arrived above 07
According to the main site 6816 & 6817 have been delivered
@Solo1
Quote from: John on October 24, 2016, 06:47:15 PM
To my knowledge, only 6815
My mistake on the main site, jumped a line, it is 6815 & 6816 that are here, 6816 is in the garage. I passed 16 on the M6 last Tursday
Quote from: Tony on October 24, 2016, 07:04:28 PM
My mistake on the main site, jumped a line, it is 6815 & 6816 that are here, 6816 is in the garage. I passed 16 on the M6 last Tursday
Ok
@Tony I was just quoting what I saw lol. Any more due this week??
Quote from: Tony on October 24, 2016, 07:04:28 PM
My mistake on the main site, jumped a line, it is 6815 & 6816 that are here, 6816 is in the garage. I passed 16 on the M6 last Tursday
6816 came out in service this afternoon, passed it on Jockey Road, with it heading towards Sutton, I can only guess to take up a peak board?
When are the remaining 6 CV geminis coming to PB?
Quote from: Chris on October 26, 2016, 11:06:08 PM
When are the remaining 6 CV geminis coming to PB?
Not until NXC receive 6 replacement buses
Quote from: Winston on October 26, 2016, 11:09:51 PM
Not until NXC receive 6 replacement buses
Maybe when pn gets its Platinum's then more Y reg tridents will move to Walsall and Coventry. Releasing the 6 remaining geminis
Quote from: Chris on October 26, 2016, 11:33:03 PM
Maybe when pn gets its Platinum's then more Y reg tridents will move to Walsall and Coventry. Releasing the 6 remaining geminis
Or maybe Coventry will get Y reg Tidents from BC with E400 transferring from PB to BC and Platinums soon arriving BC.
Does that mean the 94 will get upgraded to 05 plated buses then, yippee. That should keep me quiet till at least after Christmas. I wonder if they will get branded too ::)
Quote from: 2206 on October 26, 2016, 11:44:46 PM
Or maybe Coventry will get Y reg Tidents from BC with E400 transferring from PB to BC and Platinums soon arriving BC.
I would have thought it more likely Coventry would get some E400s - perhaps 4880-4884 or 4895-4899. Also note CV have received five buses - 840-844.
They already have 21 Y reg Tridents!! Walsall don't have many more B7TL/ALX to release either, presumably to WB and AG.
I also wonder whether the ex CV Geminis would stay at PB or whether the initial batch are paint float for the repaint/retrim Geminis now being done. Also its been suggested the Omnicities and Streetdecks may possibly be on the move. If the Streetdecks do move I had a thought they might try them on the Outer Circle (AG).
All guesswork and no doubt Tony will reveal all in due course.
Quote from: don on October 27, 2016, 08:47:51 AM
I would have thought it more likely Coventry would get some E400s - perhaps 4880-4884 or 4895-4899. Also note CV have received five buses - 840-844.
They already have 21 Y reg Tridents!! Walsall don't have many more B7TL/ALX to release either, presumably to WB and AG.
I also wonder whether the ex CV Geminis would stay at PB or whether the initial batch are paint float for the repaint/retrim Geminis now being done. Also its been suggested the Omnicities and Streetdecks may possibly be on the move. If the Streetdecks do move I had a thought they might try them on the Outer Circle (AG).
All guesswork and no doubt Tony will reveal all in due course.
Yes I think it will be Enviro 400s too but not 4895-99 as they are Pershore Road branded and were branded not too long ago.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 27, 2016, 05:09:56 AM
Does that mean the 94 will get upgraded to 05 plated buses then, yippee. That should keep me quiet till at least after Christmas. I wonder if they will get branded too ::)
Not enough 05 plated gemini for the 94. They seem to mostly be on the 67 at the moment.
Repainted/refurbished 03/53 plated gemini maybe.
Quote from: don on October 27, 2016, 08:47:51 AM
I would have thought it more likely Coventry would get some E400s - perhaps 4880-4884 or 4895-4899. Also note CV have received five buses - 840-844.
They already have 21 Y reg Tridents!! Walsall don't have many more B7TL/ALX to release either, presumably to WB and AG.
I also wonder whether the ex CV Geminis would stay at PB or whether the initial batch are paint float for the repaint/retrim Geminis now being done. Also its been suggested the Omnicities and Streetdecks may possibly be on the move. If the Streetdecks do move I had a thought they might try them on the Outer Circle (AG).
All guesswork and no doubt Tony will reveal all in due course.
4884 is named 'Ronnie Morgan' I believe - which wouldn't be appropriate for a Coventry-based bus I guess. There is nothing to stop the name being added to another one instead though.
6818 was in garage last night. Generic Platinum branding
6809 out in service today, first time I've seen it out
4688 is on the 65
4689 is on the 67
6819 was out last night see photo link for photo
I make that as 6810-14/17/20 still to be delivered. They seem to have got through these faster than ours.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on November 01, 2016, 08:06:48 AM
I make that as 6810-14/17/20 still to be delivered. They seem to have got through these faster than ours.
I imagine theirs have come off both production lines so they've come double the rate compared to ours.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on November 01, 2016, 08:06:48 AM
I make that as 6810-14/17/20 still to be delivered. They seem to have got through these faster than ours.
6810 was in garage this morning
4920 on the 46.
46A has turned into a 997E stopping 1 stop short of the original today run by 4813
Just heard my school (Great Barr) is asking for a grant to move the school services onto the front of the school
Quote from: John on November 01, 2016, 12:02:17 PM
6810 was in garage this morning
Then there's the mention of 6817 at the NEC. Cheers
@John and
@Dom .
I've heard that 4697 may be transferring to the training school any truth in this???
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on November 01, 2016, 03:28:29 PM
Just heard my school (Great Barr) is asking for a grant to move the school services onto the front of the school
The 997 drivers will be pleased with that!
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on November 01, 2016, 03:28:29 PM
Just heard my school (Great Barr) is asking for a grant to move the school services onto the front of the school
Ah Great Barr School...
Memories of when some of their kids set fire to a Diamond bus on a school run
I feel so sorry for the 997 drivers
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on November 01, 2016, 08:06:48 AM
I make that as 6810-14/17/20 still to be delivered. They seem to have got through these faster than ours.
6810/7/20 all delivered and live on the tracking system
Quote from: Tony on November 01, 2016, 08:18:08 PM
6810/7/20 all delivered and live on the tracking system
Would imagine the new BC Platinums arnt far behind...
Quote from: Tony on November 01, 2016, 08:18:08 PM
6810/7/20 all delivered and live on the tracking system
Still a few days behind having been away but thanks for that Tony.
Just been told that Platinum's have ventured onto the 914 for the first time today. At the moment 6796 and 6818 are on there.
PB67 has been spoilt today as 4922 & 4930 have both been on it, seen this morning on Tangmere drive & the terminus/Yatesbury Avenue this morning respectively between 10:40 & 11:50
Quote from: Squiz1971 on November 03, 2016, 06:34:08 PM
PB67 has been spoilt today as 4922 & 4930 have both been on it, seen this morning on Tangmere drive & the terminus/Yatesbury Avenue this morning respectively between 10:40 & 11:50
4934 was also on it.
Noticed 6818 has price branding for the black Country faresaver!
Is 6810/5/7 /9 20 out in service thanks
Quote from: Solo1 on November 05, 2016, 10:28:11 AM
Is 6810/5/7 /9 20 out in service thanks
Saw 6817 out yesterday
6804? on the 907. 11.50am from Sutton
Quote from: John on November 05, 2016, 12:17:26 PM
6804? on the 907. 11.50am from Sutton
It is 6804 on the 907.
4689 is on the 94.
Quote from: 2206 on November 05, 2016, 06:35:55 PM
4689 is on the 94.
Do we really need to mention Perry Barr Geminis on a route that should be operated by Perry Geminis?
6812/3/4/7/20 all in garage, branded and named
Quote from: John on November 07, 2016, 10:36:44 AM
6812/3/4/7/20 all in garage, branded and named
6822 out in service. Left Sutton around 5 minutes ago on a City bound 905
6813 6817 6821 also out in service see photo link for photos also 6822 on there
the private hire cg service that perry barr does had a rare working on today pic in the photo links
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 05, 2016, 12:51:51 PM
It is 6804 on the 907.
hate to be a bore but I've not seen any 68xx series on the 907 in the past three weeks... unless they are generally confined to the 'other' 90x services ? or at least until they have enough to cover? I think I saw 4779 on a 77 service recently. That had been a regular on the 907
Quote from: windy miller on November 09, 2016, 04:11:25 PM
hate to be a bore but I've not seen any 68xx series on the 907 in the past three weeks... unless they are generally confined to the 'other' 90x services ? or at least until they have enough to cover? I think I saw 4779 on a 77 service recently. That had been a regular on the 907
Here is a low quality version of my photo of 6804 from Saturday.
Quote from: windy miller on November 09, 2016, 04:11:25 PM
hate to be a bore but I've not seen any 68xx series on the 907 in the past three weeks... unless they are generally confined to the 'other' 90x services ? or at least until they have enough to cover? I think I saw 4779 on a 77 service recently. That had been a regular on the 907
Their all destined for the 902/904/905/914 only
6796 at Walsall for body repairs by look of it
Just seen 6824 and 6823 by the Greyhound Stadium heading towards Perry Barr.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 05, 2016, 12:51:51 PM
It is 6804 on the 907.
Fantastic - it's what we New Oscotteers deserve, no less!!! 8)
Are 6811 6812 6823 ^6824 out today I'd say what time will vt be on city about 1 ish thanks
Quote from: Solo1 on November 12, 2016, 08:23:49 AM
Are 6811 6812 6823 ^6824 out today I'd say what time will vt be on city about 1 ish thanks
6812 and 6823 are, no idea of times
Quote from: John on November 12, 2016, 10:27:31 AM
6812 and 6823 are, no idea of times
I don't think 6811 is here yet, the only one I haven't seen, and it is not on the allocation sheet
6811 just left Sutton on the 905 heading for Roughley. And 6823 left Sutton for Birmingham at 1138.
4927 is on the 16.
@2206 An Enviro200 is booked on the 38 on a Saturday
6824 is out today. It's just left Sutton heading towards Birmingham on the 905. Also 4926 is out on the 907 today. It's just left Sutton too.
4506 was out in crimson earlier this evening on 52/52A.
6819 on 907. 11.35am from City
4506 is on the 94 today in the City Centre at about 14:00.
Quote from: 2206 on November 19, 2016, 02:35:25 PM
4506 is on the 94 today in the City Centre at about 14:00.
4505 on Sutton lines
4926 hanging-in there on the 907 at 1530.
6824 on the 907 today. First one out this morning too, and not a change bus
4819 was showing BC staff bus coming into snow hill earlier :/
4929 on the 101, shortly followed by 4853
4689 is on the 966
6812 is on the 907 today if anyone's interested
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on November 26, 2016, 02:59:11 PM
6812 is on the 907 today if anyone's interested
2 on there today. I had 6812 from 5 till 8pm
Quote from: John on November 26, 2016, 08:51:59 PM
2 on there today. I had 6812 from 5 till 8pm
6798 is the other
@John.
Before anyone goes nosing at Miller Street and reports 4253 as withdrawn (It is currently parked with the withdrawn AG Plaxtons)
It is there to receive the engine from withdrawn 4255
It's a wonder any Perry Barr vehicles running along the Aldridge Road maintain their schedules given the timings of the Wellhead Lane junction traffic signals. On Monday they caused mayhem back to and beyond the College Road and Kingstanding Road junction until well outside the morning 'rush'. When I finally reached Wellhead Lane and was held on red 2 cars and a pony and trap came out of Wellhead Lane. We then sat twiddling our thumbs for at least a further minute and a half. Perry Barr drivers must be tearing their hair out. The Council should take a look and sort it!
Quote from: RW on November 29, 2016, 09:39:09 PM
It's a wonder any Perry Barr vehicles running along the Aldridge Road maintain their schedules given the timings of the Wellhead Lane junction traffic signals. On Monday they caused mayhem back to and beyond the College Road and Kingstanding Road junction until well outside the morning 'rush'. When I finally reached Wellhead Lane and was held on red 2 cars and a pony and trap came out of Wellhead Lane. We then sat twiddling our thumbs for at least a further minute and a half. Perry Barr drivers must be tearing their hair out. The Council should take a look and sort it!
Monday was a one off, A power cut had disconnected all traffic lights from the main control centre at Lancaster Circus
That may well be the case on this occasion Tony but given the respective traffic flows on Aldridge Road and Wellhead Lane the signal timing still needs adjusting to improve the flow along Aldridge Road towards City. There is always a log jam back from the junction. The only difference is how far it goes back each day. Trust me I'm frequently sat in it!
Quote from: RW on November 29, 2016, 09:55:10 PM
That may well be the case on this occasion Tony but given the respective traffic flows on Aldridge Road and Wellhead Lane the signal timing still needs adjusting to improve the flow along Aldridge Road towards City. There is always a log jam back from the junction. The only difference is how far it goes back each day. Trust me I'm frequently sat in it!
And I sit in traffic light control all day when I am not doing other jobs and have spent several hours getting those lights as optimised as possible
4506 is on the 94.
As if to emphasize a point that some routes literally have any bus available.... Noted on the Lichfield Rd (65 and 67) between 17:15 and 17:45:
42xx ALX400
44xx Gemini
46xx Crimson Gemini
7 branded Crimson E400
4928
Omnilink
Omnicity
Was looking forward to seeing an E200 mini follow them all to complete the set of PB buses on the same route :D
Same as the 94 I suspect, the route PB doesn't give a toss about.
Had to get that one in there.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 30, 2016, 10:33:45 PM
Same as the 94 I suspect, the route PB doesn't give a toss about.
Had to get that one in there.
4856 was/is out on the 94 today seen it turn into Masshouse Lane about 9:45 this morning while I was waiting for the 97 at the bus stop on Park St
As I expected, 2 out of the 3 X14s today were generic Platinum branded MMCs, so hopefully now the branding is complete for the Sutton Lines, they will stick to these routes and not stray onto the X14.
One Idea I had was to add a red line to the map on the side of the buses for the 914 (seperating it from the other 3), and mark 'Kingsbury Road' and 'Walmley' as points on it, and have it join the X4 line at Falcon Lodge and into Sutton. The Kingsbury Road is still Erdington, and this means that the branded buses could be used on all of the routes
Is there any reason why the X14 was not branded?
4927/4929 spending a day on the 16.
Quote from: clayderman on December 04, 2016, 04:25:41 PM
4927/4929 spending a day on the 16.
Perry Barr Enviro 400s on a Perry Barr Enviro 400 route?
Quote from: Tony on December 04, 2016, 04:29:44 PM
Perry Barr Enviro 400s on a Perry Barr Enviro 400 route?
I was under the assumption that the 63 plate E400s have their days numbered at PB? ??? I suppose this isn't the case then?
Quote from: clayderman on December 04, 2016, 05:19:10 PM
I was under the assumption that the 63 plate E400s have their days numbered at PB? ??? I suppose this isn't the case then?
Yes they will be going eventually. I think 4926-9 are staying at the minute as paint floats for the Geminis
Having seen the branding for X3/4/5, can we please not have a million and one posts for when one appears on the X14!
Quote from: Gareth on December 04, 2016, 06:54:36 PM
Having seen the branding for X3/4/5, can we please not have a million and one posts for when one appears on the X14!
Or the 907
Which service will get the red gemmi's when the batch is painted
4926 has now had all branding removed. Seen on the 94 today.
Quote from: Solo1 on December 05, 2016, 08:49:16 AM
Which service will get the red gemmi's when the batch is painted
All routes they are on at the moment
How come the next stop annocement don't work
Quote from: Nxwm on December 05, 2016, 03:52:11 PM
How come the next stop annocement don't work
Obviously, they are not completed/set up on the buses yet
Driving through Sutton last night, the puerile madness that is NXWM's obsession with renumbering routes was brought home as follows:
An X5 was approaching the centre of Sutton from the Birmingham direction, followed a couple of vehicles behind by a 5.
It's all very well saying the 5 won't be confused with a 5 in south Birmingham, but with an X-prefixed 5 is an entirely different matter.
About time common sense prevailed and the WB 5 was renumbered back to the number everyone knows, 451.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on December 06, 2016, 11:01:35 AM
Driving through Sutton last night, the puerile madness that is NXWM's obsession with renumbering routes was brought home as follows:
An X5 was approaching the centre of Sutton from the Birmingham direction, followed a couple of vehicles behind by a 5.
It's all very well saying the 5 won't be confused with a 5 in south Birmingham, but with an X-prefixed 5 is an entirely different matter.
About time common sense prevailed and the WB 5 was renumbered back to the number everyone knows, 451.
A disagreement with an example of the the very same route you speak of:
In Sutton on Sunday coming home to Great Barr, two others waiting at the same stop talking about how it used to be "only every half hour when it was the 45"
So no, not everyone knows the 451 number
Equally, at Scott Arms the day before someone saying the old 106 used to run up to the Asda (wrong, it was the 406 and it only ever went to the Asda when it was it's current number)
People don't care really what the number is as long as they still have a bus
Quote from: Kevin on December 06, 2016, 01:40:04 PM
So no, not everyone knows the 451 number
LOL
I was being somewhat facetious, for effect.
However, 5 and X5 sound like versions of the same bloody service.
Quote from: John on December 05, 2016, 04:04:19 PM
Obviously, they are not completed/set up on the buses yet
You would think they would have it all set up in time for the service change
94 got spoiled again today as 2 E40D's have been on it 4856 and an unID'd red & white liveried both on Coleshill Road about 7:40-7:50
Why was there no 46A and 28E today?
Have we got a shortage of vehicles?
@Kevin PB no longer have 19** Scania's as 1905-7 now reside at YW unless YW have loaned 1 to PB of course
Apparently WB1939 on 65 as per the Buses on Loan thread by Michael Bevan
Quote from: Squiz1971 on December 13, 2016, 04:39:48 PM
@Kevin PB no longer have 19** Scania's as 1905-7 now reside at YW unless YW have loaned 1 to PB of course
West Brom bus on loan
Quote from: John on December 13, 2016, 04:41:23 PM
West Brom bus on loan
Yes I saw the Buses on Loan thread and have changed my reply accordingly. Cheers
@John
Just a quick question, does the 16 stop at SH5 anymore?
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 16, 2016, 07:13:59 AM
Just a quick question, does the 16 stop at SH5 anymore?
Not anymore; stops at SH10 now (the old 82/87 stop). Only 74 calls at SH5. :)
Are PB still holding on to the last of the 63 plate e400?
Quote from: Chris on December 16, 2016, 08:42:31 PM
Are PB still holding on to the last of the 63 plate e400?
Yes, still got 4926-9
Are they going to WB or BC
I think 4926 will join west bromwich and 4927-9 Birmingham
They will do eventually, they are staying as paint floats for the time being. I assume Central will have 4927-9 only because of the branding, but you never know
Quote from: clayderman on December 16, 2016, 07:59:04 AM
Not anymore; stops at SH10 now (the old 82/87 stop). Only 74 calls at SH5. :)
How come? I can't understand the logic behind that.
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 17, 2016, 01:41:30 PM
How come? I can't understand the logic behind that.
I haven't the foggiest. :( I liked it how it was; Hockley services stopping at SH5 and the Dudley Road services at SH10. ::)
Quote from: clayderman on December 17, 2016, 04:57:29 PM
I haven't the foggiest. :( I liked it how it was; Hockley services stopping at SH5 and the Dudley Road services at SH10. ::)
It's certainly a weird one. Both the 74 and 16 go the same way through Hockley and a lot of people like myself get either one so if you're standing at that stop and a 16 comes you may miss it!
Some of these stop changes baffle me. Like when they moved the Harborne routes from one end of Colemore Row to the other. Why? Lol
Quote from: clayderman on December 17, 2016, 04:57:29 PM
I haven't the foggiest. :( I liked it how it was; Hockley services stopping at SH5 and the Dudley Road services at SH10. ::)
To be fair just from experiencing a shared stop when I'm trying to catch the 16 it can be a bit manic, splitting them makes sense to me, and they're not exactly miles apart so you don't really have far to walk if you see the other bus coming
Plus the DR services stop at the Square Peg so no point having them stop there as well
Sutton lines platinum parked up NIS on witton road (the stop where driver changes take place for perry common bound buses on the 7) around 20:15, any idea what this was doing there as I've never seen buses return to depot via Witton road, they often tend to use the 11 route
There was an alx400 on 16 today
2 Platinum buses are at YW for repairs.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on December 22, 2016, 01:53:22 PM
2 Platinum buses are at YW for repairs.
Why are the platinums at yw can't their own depot repair them
Quote from: Solo1 on December 22, 2016, 02:37:06 PM
Why are the platinums at yw can't their own depot repair them
A YW driver told me this.
Next stop announcements are starting to be rolled out of some of our buses now. 6802, which I had today had them. Not as annoying as I thought they would be. The only thing is that the announcements are rather late, and announce the stop as you are nearly on top of it
Quote from: John on December 22, 2016, 09:31:32 PM
Next stop announcements are starting to be rolled out of some of our buses now. 6802, which I had today had them. Not as annoying as I thought they would be. The only thing is that the announcements are rather late, and announce the stop as you are nearly on top of it
529's announcements are like that. Would be better if the annoucements would be the same as the Walsall's.
Quote from: P419 EJW on December 22, 2016, 09:48:35 PM
529's announcements are like that. Would be better if the annoucements would be the same as the Walsall's.
And the 126's, not overly keen tbh, the X10 announcements are like it as well.
Quote from: 2206 on January 04, 2017, 05:44:35 PM
Not unusual.
Seems to be at least 1 b7tl on every day( seen geminis quite a few times)
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 04, 2017, 05:45:39 PM
Seems to be at least 1 b7tl on every day( seen geminis quite a few times)
The same with the 7, 2 Geminis and an ALX400 today
We need some more MK1 Enviros to make the routes fully crimson
Quote from: John on January 04, 2017, 06:25:02 PM
The same with the 7, 2 Geminis and an ALX400 today
We need some more MK1 Enviros to make the routes fully crimson
4485 was the only non-E400 on a 7 board today John, PB have plenty of Crimson E400s, there were 7 of them on other routes today
Quote from: John on December 22, 2016, 09:31:32 PM
Next stop announcements are starting to be rolled out of some of our buses now. 6802, which I had today had them. Not as annoying as I thought they would be. The only thing is that the announcements are rather late, and announce the stop as you are nearly on top of it
Have that problem on the X51's Long Acre Street stop in Walsall, but I put it down to the short distance between the stop before,Hospital Street & LA Street, if the bus doesnt stop at Hospital Street beforehand.
Could we not swap 4733-4737 for 5 crimsoned geminis to get the 7, 16 & 101 fully MK1?
Does it really make a difference what make the E400 is ? I would surmise the allocator is like "Theirs an E400 on an E400 route".
The only way I know the difference between the makes is "tick/ line" underneath the headlights on the E40Ds.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on January 05, 2017, 07:47:34 PM
Does it really make a difference what make the E400 is ? I would surmise the allocator is like "Theirs an E400 on an E400 route".
The only way I know the difference between the makes is "tick/ line" underneath the headlights on the E40Ds.
The MK1s have twin tree deflectors that's how I tell the difference, and the rear upstairs window is openable
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 05, 2017, 08:16:30 PM
The MK1s have twin tree deflectors that's how I tell the difference, and the rear upstairs window is openable
also the number plate at the rear and the front headlight are slightly different
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 05, 2017, 08:16:30 PM
The MK1s have twin tree deflectors that's how I tell the difference, and the rear upstairs window is openable
And the grill being on the left side on MK1s is a clue.
Quote from: lauren1993 on January 05, 2017, 08:41:26 PM
And the grill being on the left side on MK1s is a clue.
The dashboard is also different on the Mk1's.
I'm just glad I don't care what the differences are
Quote from: Michael Bevan on January 05, 2017, 08:44:19 PM
The dashboard is also different on the Mk1's.
So!? As it's been said before they don't differentiate between them.
Not sure if it has already been mentioned, but 4501 now has a LED side display.
Quote from: Jack B on January 10, 2017, 04:42:16 PM
Not sure if it has already been mentioned, but 4501 now has a LED side display.
Had that for over a year now or longer and was mentioned in the earlier part of the Oddities thread
@Jack B
4936 is back on the road, still at Perry Barr. It's on the 77 today.
PB 65 - 4479
@2206 They are normal on the 65
4936 is on the 33.
Quote from: 2206 on January 20, 2017, 06:45:27 PM
4936 is on the 33.
It's a PB E400 on a PB E400 route.
4692 out today on the 16, looks like its first day in service with us
Quote from: John on January 21, 2017, 05:55:02 PM
4692 out today on the 16, looks like its first day in service with us
Photo on the main site later
4479 on the Lichfield Road atm in service but with nothing on the destination
4501 passed the Bartons Arms at 20:00 southbound displaying "77E Beggars Bush"
Bit lost if it's going back to garage
4241 now has a 'Twinkly' advert fitted, same one as 4871 at BC
Quote from: Kevin on January 24, 2017, 08:05:27 PM
4501 passed the Bartons Arms at 20:00 southbound displaying "77E Beggars Bush"
Bit lost if it's going back to garage
Sounds like one of the late nights 94s heading into City to start. Take it the 77 driver did not blank off reaching Tesco and ran back to garage with 77E still showing
Quote from: clayderman on January 26, 2017, 06:34:53 PM
4475 on the 16 - if worth noting to some
B7TL Deckers are usual on the 16.
Quote from: 2206 on January 26, 2017, 06:39:22 PM
B7TL Deckers are usual on the 16.
"if worth noting to some"
4829 was on the 77 today.
4855 was on the 103, sorry X3.
6796 also had its offside branding removed for an ad frame I guess
Quote from: John on January 28, 2017, 01:10:20 PM
6796 also had its offside branding removed for an ad frame I guess
A shame that a good premium brand is being watered down like this.
4693 is now in service at PB. On the 94 today.
Quote from: Gareth on January 28, 2017, 01:42:10 PM
A shame that a good premium brand is being watered down like this.
6822 has had it removed too
Quote from: 2206 on January 28, 2017, 11:31:00 AM
4928 passed the Fox and Goose at about 09:15 today.
4929 passed the Fox And Goose at 11:05 today.
4844 is on the 65.
A E400 is on the 52/A.
4829 is on the 65.
None of those are unusual anymore
Quote from: John on January 28, 2017, 03:22:19 PM
None of those are unusual anymore
I was about to say this myself. I've lost count of the amount of times I've seen e400s on the 94 posted.
But
@2206 feels it will be noteworthy to others 4928/9 are still PB bus and will appear on any E400 route including the 94 which always get a mix bag
@John
Quote from: John on January 28, 2017, 03:22:19 PM
None of those are unusual anymore
It will die down when the Geminis are done being repainted.
1839 and a 70** OmniLink both on 67s. Another sight now more common (same with the 65)
No idea if it's noted anywhere else but 4271 is on PB 38 today. Strange one seeing as a few of PB's worst examples have gone the other way.
Quote from: andy41 on January 31, 2017, 10:13:19 AM
No idea if it's noted anywhere else but 4271 is on PB 38 today. Strange one seeing as a few of PB's worst examples have gone the other way.
More than likely just on loan.
6821 has been taken off the 101, driver not type trained
4694 is out on the 94 today.
@jc That is not noteworthy at all. It belongs in the RBOR thread
Quote from: jc on February 01, 2017, 08:24:08 PM
There was a 7 branded E400 on the 16 today
@jc Not noteworthy, Enviro400 on an Enviro400 route, regardless of its branding.
You can post route branded buses 'off-route' in this thread though:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1567.0
Maybe of note to some
4691 on the 907, 07:30 Perry Barr to city
Now that spare Platinums are used on the 907, the OmniCitys are been used anywhere, so not noteworthy to me on any of our routes now
7021(?) on the 65
Quote from: clayderman on February 11, 2017, 12:08:26 PM
7021(?) on the 65
Yes 7021 is on the 65, in the City Centre at 11:00.
4799 is also on the 94, on the Washwood Heath Road at the Fox And Goose at about 15:10 going towards the City Centre.
Quote from: John on February 10, 2017, 03:09:28 PM
Now that spare Platinums are used on the 907, the OmniCitys are been used anywhere, so not noteworthy to me on any of our routes now
Spotted one on the 77 Friday teatime at Walsall.
Quote from: Jack B on February 14, 2017, 07:28:28 PM
4777 - 52/A
Nothing noteworthy about that
@Jack B , the 52/A doesn't have a fixed allocation, so anything can be used.
Quote from: Stu on February 14, 2017, 07:43:17 PM
Nothing noteworthy about that @Jack B , the 52/A doesn't have a fixed allocation, so anything can be used.
As I said on the last page, now that spare Platinums are on the 907, the OmniCitys and red/white Enviro400s are used anywhere. 4780, 4928 and another ticket branded Enviro400 were all on the 94 today
@John when are the last 2 49** e400s going to either WB or BC? Is it when the 44**/45** Geminis are done?
Quote from: John on February 14, 2017, 08:42:30 PM
As I said on the last page, now that spare Platinums are on the 907, the OmniCitys and red/white Enviro400s are used anywhere. 4780, 4928 and another ticket branded Enviro400 were all on the 94 today
Crimson ticket branded E400 also frequently appear on all PB decker routes.
On Saturday 4799 was on the 94.
On Sunday 4854 and 4855 were on the 94.
Quote from: Chris on February 14, 2017, 09:22:38 PM
@John when are the last 2 49** e400s going to either WB or BC? Is it when the 44**/45** Geminis are done?
Not sure on that one
@Chris but it could be possible. I believe they are paint floats, but not sure. Maybe 4507 transferring might free one up for transfer
Quote from: 2206 on February 14, 2017, 09:25:55 PM
Crimson ticket branded E400 also frequently appear on all PB decker routes.
On Saturday 4799 was on the 94.
On Sunday 4854 and 4855 were on the 94.
Plus I has 4799 on there on Sunday too
So 4697 on the 16 last week, 4781 yesterday, one on the 65, 4237 on the 16 yesterday, all this would be common?
4507's first day in service back at PB is on the 46
Quote from: jc on February 15, 2017, 10:31:55 AM
So 4697 on the 16 last week, 4781 yesterday, one on the 65, 4237 on the 16 yesterday, all this would be common?
It is at the moment. The Scanias don't have a regular allocation and PB has quite a few buses in for paint, so there's a lot of different workings currently.
Quote from: Tony on February 15, 2017, 10:37:09 AM
4507's first day in service back at PB is on the 46
4695 is too. 12.20pm from Livery Street
4507 is on the 77 today if anyone's looking for it.
A couple of those G-Wiz, Smart for 2 or whatever they are, 761 and/ or 763 on the 377 today. Seemed totally adequate in capacity for the route TBH.
Is there anything going to happen to the Scania bendi's at miller street?
Quote from: Chris on February 18, 2017, 07:05:40 PM
Is there anything going to happen to the Scania bendi's at miller street?
Yes, they get started once a month to make sure they still run!
So are the bendis being reinstated
Ok so why do they need to see if they run
Quote from: BusFan94 on February 19, 2017, 07:33:54 PM
Ok so why do they need to see if they run
For possible re-sale presumably (however unlikely) and to keep them in reasonable condition generally, just in case they are required to run for NXWM again.
Quote from: BusFan94 on February 19, 2017, 07:33:54 PM
Ok so why do they need to see if they run
It's not 'seeing if they run,' as though out of curiosity - it's keeping the vehicles in warm storage, so their electrical, pneumatic and mechanical systems don't deteriorate to a position that they are only good to be written-off or scrapped. Sure, they may never run for NX again, but this process is a practical insurance against them seeing future use or sale.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on February 19, 2017, 11:57:03 PM
It's not 'seeing if they run,' as though out of curiosity - it's keeping the vehicles in warm storage, so their electrical, pneumatic and mechanical systems don't deteriorate to a position that they are only good to be written-off or scrapped. Sure, they may never run for NX again, but this process is a practical insurance against them seeing future use or sale.
There's no warm storage at Miller Street, the Scania Artics are left outside to the ellements.
They are started monthly to ensure engines & such like don't seize up.
Quote from: Winston on February 20, 2017, 12:03:35 AM
There's no warm storage at Miller Street, the Scania Artics are left outside to the ellements.
They are started monthly to ensure engines & such like don't seize up.
Apologies - I was using the railway industry definition of 'warm storage,' where what you just described happens outside.
4843 is on the 46 today.
Doesn't the 46 get anything goes....
4507 is debranded. It was out yesterday in Birmingham City Centre.
Quote from: Adam 404 on February 21, 2017, 06:40:58 AM
4507 is debranded.
It wouldn't still be 11 branded when its transfered to PB. PB don't operate the 11.
Quote from: Adam 404 on February 21, 2017, 06:40:58 AM
4507 is debranded. It was out yesterday in Birmingham City Centre.
It's been debranded since it returned to PB. It retains its name.
4507 is on the 94 today. At Clock Garage 10:35.
Quote from: 2206 on February 23, 2017, 04:30:17 PM
4507 is on the 94 today. At Clock Garage 10:35.
It's a gemini bus on a gemini route
@2206 it's been back for over a week now. Will crop up on any gemini route now. I understand that it's newly transferred in if anyone wanted to find it they would use the buses to find thread...
4856 is on the X3/X4/X5 today.
7022 is on the 38 today.
@P419 EJW OmniLinks are common on the 65 and 67 on Saturdays. I had 7021 on the 65 too this afternoon
Quote from: jc on March 01, 2017, 09:13:55 AM
6799 on the 52
@jc where did you see it and what time?
City around 0845ish give or take ... though you worked at NX? Remember seeing you at Walsall when I was there
Quote from: jc on March 01, 2017, 09:42:20 AM
City around 0845ish give or take ... though you worked at NX? Remember seeing you at Walsall when I was there
No I'm not at NX any more. Plus Perry Barr is a different garage anyway. So I wouldn't know anyway.
4283 now back at PB in a fresh coat of red/white; 4277 at Walsall for tidying up
6799 has now been swapped for 4482.
Quote from: Tony on March 01, 2017, 11:42:11 AM
4283 now back at PB in a fresh coat of red/white; 4277 at Walsall for tidying up
Good to see the ex sutton lines ALX400 finally getting some TLC, these were looking a state before due to been early repaints for red and white. Do you know if the interiors are getting a retrim also?
Quote from: Lukeee on March 01, 2017, 10:59:07 PM
Good to see the ex sutton lines ALX400 finally getting some TLC, these were looking a state before due to been early repaints for red and white. Do you know if the interiors are getting a retrim also?
No they're not
Quote from: John on March 02, 2017, 11:00:31 AM
No they're not
The seats are really tired in the earlier repaints. A shame.
Quote from: Lukeee on March 02, 2017, 11:36:29 PM
That's a shame
Anything under 4425 was never planned to receive any form of repaint or refurbishment due to having limited service lives left within NX & the multiyear order for new buses placed with ADL. Only Crimson refurbs were originally meant to be receiving the Euro 6 upgrades to comply with the new emission rules coming in to force from May, now that non refurbished B7TL/ALX400's are receiving the Euro 6 upgrade to meet the new emission restrictions and there's been plenty of advanced warning, it suggests something has changed with new deliveries that were planned for the 2017.
Quote from: Winston on March 02, 2017, 11:44:33 PM
Anything under 4425 was never planned to receive any form of repaint or refurbishment due to having limited service lives left within NX & the multiyear order for new buses placed with ADL. Only Crimson refurbs were originally meant to be receiving the Euro 6 upgrades to comply with the new emission rules coming in to force from May, now that non refurbished B7TL/ALX400's are receiving the Euro 6 upgrade to meet the new emission restrictions and there's been plenty of advanced warning, it suggests something has changed with new deliveries that were planned for the 2017.
And what might that 'change' be? Don't even think funding issues!
Quote from: RW on March 03, 2017, 02:15:57 AM
And what might that 'change' be? Don't even think funding issues!
I'm also curious here. It might not be funding but seeing as the B7TL ALX400 were next in line to go (After the Y Reg Tridents), them attaining traps suggests for the near future at least, they're staying. If they didn't get the traps, then NX's order for this year could exceed 150 vehicles (Loose estimate) including spares so by adding traps to some earlier buses, it allows them bring in new buses at easier pace or plan ahead.
Resale value will increase. Their lack of refurbishment might hinder that although some Presidents looked a right scrap and their going seemingly well so you never know.
Both recent ALX400 repaints 4283 and 4287 are both on the 65 if anyone needs them
Quote from: John on March 03, 2017, 09:39:52 AM
Both recent ALX400 repaints 4283 and 4287 are both on the 65 if anyone needs them
4507 has gone for refurb, replacing 4479
Quote from: RW on March 03, 2017, 02:15:57 AM
And what might that 'change' be? Don't even think funding issues!
Time? manufacturers probably can't deliver amount required in the specific time nx need to meet the euro reg's in may hence the traps being fitted to older vehicles? Is one possibility.
Quote from: RW on March 03, 2017, 02:15:57 AM
And what might that 'change' be? Don't even think funding issues!
Any number of things......
1. 2017 vehicle deliveries put back to second half of the year
2. Change of buying policy - Wrightbus are said to be supplying 10 x Wright HEV96 gyro-drive buses - not seen any confirmation since funding was announced
3. Reduction in quantity of new buses on order
4. Production slots missed or unavailable now for deliveries prior to May
As a side note, operating profits at UK Bus fell from £37.5 to £35.5 Million between 2015 & 206 despite growth & all the new fleet investment
Some others to add to the list:-
1) Results from recent comparative testing of vehicles, some of which have visited MIRA recently (including Streetdecks).
2) The increase in fuel prices (up 15 - 20% in around 12 months). Operators have recently been reporting difficult times, no doubt also fuelled by Government funding cuts to Local Authorities.
3) Potential Policy changes at TfWM regarding franchising.
4) The recent viewing of a fully Reg compliant minibus, including at Pensnett reflects also Stagecoach's inititiative in Ashford where these have been introduced on high frequency across all town services. Harks back to the dark days of a similar Government in the late 80s when I had such grossly overcrowded, uncomfortable and inappropriate vehicles inflicted on me as a passenger in Torbay. You could wait in the wind and rain for the next, and the next if you were so inclined as they were quite frequent. However the epitome of lack of customer service.
That said, the new version may be ok on routes like the replacement for the 99 through Welsh Mouse Farm. What would they do with the E200s though??!
Quote from: don on March 03, 2017, 10:23:36 AM
Some others to add to the list:-
1) Results from recent comparative testing of vehicles, some of which have visited MIRA recently (including Streetdecks).
2) The increase in fuel prices (up 15 - 20% in around 12 months). Operators have recently been reporting difficult times, no doubt also fuelled by Government funding cuts to Local Authorities.
3) Potential Policy changes at TfWM regarding franchising.
4) The recent viewing of a fully Reg compliant minibus, including at Pensnett reflects also Stagecoach's inititiative in Ashford where these have been introduced on high frequency across all town services. Harks back to the dark days of a similar Government in the late 80s when I had such grossly overcrowded vehicles, uncomfortable and inappropriate vehicles inflicted on me as a passenger in Torbay. That said, the new version may be ok on routes like the replacement for the 99 through Welsh Mouse Farm. What would they do with the E200s though??!
Fuel prices won't be an issue for the next couple of years, quite the opposite in fact. NX Group & other big fuel users hedge their requirements years in advance at a fixed price, the fuel NX Group have hedged for the 2017 & 2018 will actually have a postive impact on earnings as it will be cheaper than prior years, as the hedges were taken out at the time when Crude Oil prices fell to all time lows. Rotala will also benefit from having hedged during this period for the next 2 years at least.
I wonder how much it costs to fit traps, ad blue fillers and other requirements to make a bus euro VI compatable and does it affet the book value of the bus significantly?
Was that 4478 I saw stranded on the apex of the Chester Road North/ Banners Gate Road junction for a time last night, having run aground whilst working the 377?
My other half rang me from the traffic chaos about 6.30, and the policeman had arrived to scratch his head shortly after 7.45pm - helpfully leaving his Insignia even further into the traffic light intersection, whilst near-misses were happening all around him!
Quote from: The Real 4778 on March 08, 2017, 08:40:44 AM
Was that 4478 I saw stranded on the apex of the Chester Road North/ Banners Gate Road junction for a time last night, having run aground whilst working the 377?
My other half rang me from the traffic chaos about 6.30, and the policeman had arrived to scratch his head shortly after 7.45pm - helpfully leaving his Insignia even further into the traffic light intersection, whilst near-misses were happening all around him!
Yes, just seen a picture of it on Facebook. Apparently the fuel pump gave up
@Westy I'd say short E200s are noteworthy as I believe, its allocated deckers.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on March 11, 2017, 10:48:25 PM
@Westy I'd say short E200s are noteworthy as I believe, its allocated deckers.
@GeminiFan1991 @Westy Enviro 200 Mini's are allocated on the 77 on a Saturday. 761 and 764 were both on there today.
Wasn't the 377 one of Centro's "Prime" lines of what ever they called them back in the early oo's. How things have changed.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 12, 2017, 11:13:50 PM
Wasn't the 377 one of Centro's "Prime" lines of what ever they called them back in the early oo's. How things have changed.
Refurbished B10Ls back in 2007? Toothpaste livery. Same as the 1 & 451, which had refurbished Plaxtons.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 12, 2017, 11:13:50 PM
Wasn't the 377 one of Centro's "Prime" lines of what ever they called them back in the early oo's. How things have changed.
Is kinda irrelevant now, because it isn't the sole service along the route, 935 Walsall to Streetly which from memory is the busier section of the route
4239(?) vs. 4695 on the 101 within 2 minutes of each other. Both arrived on Colmore Row in said order. Won't lie, a fair bit sad that I had to choose between them both for my ride home.
Edit: For anyone who's interested, I chose 4695. Why? Repainted/refurbed bus, same chassis, ZF gearbox.. Why not? 😂 Also, haven't crossed all the ex-Cov Geminis from my list. So far, I believe I've done 4690, 4691 and 4695 already, but oh well.
Quote from: clayderman on March 22, 2017, 04:41:11 PM
4239(?) vs. 4695 on the 101 within 2 minutes of each other. Both arrived on Colmore Row in said order. Won't lie, a fair bit sad that I had to choose between them both for my ride home.
Edit: For anyone who's interested, I chose 4695. Why? Repainted/refurbed bus, same chassis, ZF gearbox.. Why not? 😂 Also, haven't crossed all the ex-Cov Geminis from my list. So far, I believe I've done 4690, 4691 and 4695 already, but oh well.
It's a Voith gearbox actually like 4239. The ex Coventry Gemini's are the only Gemini's in NX to have Voith gearboxes.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 22, 2017, 05:03:15 PM
It's a Voith gearbox actually like 4239. The ex Coventry Gemini's are the only Gemini's in NX to have Voith gearboxes.
Whoops; took a gamble, but I knew it was different (hence the mention) :P
I'm hearing that the 94 is going platinum any truth in this???
Doubt it pmsl
Quote from: Nxwm on March 23, 2017, 10:09:07 AM
I'm hearing that the 94 is going platinum any truth in this???
I've heard that they want to send Platinum's on the 94 on a Sunday so they're not sitting in garage. Don't know how true this is though.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 23, 2017, 03:31:42 PM
I've heard that they want to send Platinum's on the 94 on a Sunday so they're not sitting in garage. Don't know how true this is though.
Quote from: Nxwm on March 23, 2017, 10:09:07 AM
I'm hearing that the 94 is going platinum any truth in this???
It'd be interesting to see them on the 94 if that did happen.
Quote from: Nxwm on March 23, 2017, 10:09:07 AM
I'm hearing that the 94 is going platinum any truth in this???
That will look weird. Unless there could be an X94? I highly doubt it though.
Quote from: Jack B on March 23, 2017, 05:56:44 PM
That will look weird. Unless there is going to be an X94? I really doubt it.
They aren't just for express services though, the 126 and 529 aren't express and they are platinum. Though there may be a service change soon, the 966 isn't either. So it is possible.
Quote from: 2206 on March 23, 2017, 06:00:09 PM
They aren't just for express services though, the 126 and 529 aren't express and they are platinum. Though there may be a service change soon, the 966 isn't either.
I never mentioned that they were just for Express Sevices.
Any more of this x72 then covering part of the 94 route?
4817 is in the garage for repairs..
4687 is the first PB bus to be fitted with the new exhaust trap
4694 & 4780 on the 101 today, if anyone's interested
Quote from: Tony on March 25, 2017, 01:11:34 PM
4687 is the first PB bus to be fitted with the new exhaust trap
4476 and 4496 now also have them. Nice to see hardly any black exhaust smoke coming out the back
Quote from: John on March 31, 2017, 12:59:46 PM
4476 and 4496 now also have them. Nice to see hardly any black exhaust smoke coming out the back
4280; 4480; 4487; 4503; 4689 can also be added to the PB list
Back for the weekend to check on my house and the first thing I see are those ancient boxes on wheels on the 94 surely 4 years of Moaning gotta be time they brought the route up to par. Surely some agrees with me lol.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 31, 2017, 05:26:49 PM
Back for the weekend to check on my house and the first thing I see are those ancient boxes on wheels on the 94 surely 4 years of Moaning gotta be time they brought the route up to par. Surely some agrees with me lol.
Yes its still a mixture of B7TL ALX400 and Gemini, Monday to Friday. The odd E400 also gets on there at the moment. Yes I agree it would be good if it was upgraded.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 31, 2017, 05:26:49 PM
Back for the weekend to check on my house and the first thing I see are those ancient boxes on wheels on the 94 surely 4 years of Moaning gotta be time they brought the route up to par. Surely some agrees with me lol.
The 94 is dying for new buses.
Quote from: Tony on March 31, 2017, 02:03:02 PM
4280; 4480; 4487; 4503; 4689 can also be added to the PB list
I saw 4692 also with the adblue flap/trap fitted today around 18:10 at Saltley Gate Island heading to town on the 94. Does the exhaust pipe change as all the BC tridents I have seen the tailpipe seems different?
@Tony
Are the exhaust mods to the ALX400s different from the Geminis? As I saw 4280 yesterday and it didn't have an ad-blue flap on the offside
Does anyone know if the 94 will be platinum operated on Sundays now?
Wow I stand corrected all of my cynicism is about to be curtailed as I did see a Platinum bus on the 94 at the Hunters Moon when I went to get milk, my jaw nearly dropped, lol. Is this signs of things to come; as long as they can stop the fights and weed smoking on the route I guess.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 02, 2017, 08:21:58 AM
Is this signs of things to come; as long as they can stop the fights and weed smoking on the route I guess.
You're never going to rid the bus route of the people that live on it, maybe now you realise why it doesn't get upgraded
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 02, 2017, 08:21:58 AM
as long as they can stop the fights and weed smoking on the route I guess.
Quote from: Kevin on April 02, 2017, 09:02:59 AM
You're never going to rid the bus route of the people that live on it, maybe now you realise why it doesn't get upgraded
That happens on any route. Most journeys on the 94 are fine. I've seen incidents like that on the 74, that still got upgraded in 2014.
6796 on the 94 heading for town..Seen at the Hunters Moon at 09:40
Just seen 6820 on it too. Look so weird lol
Quote from: 2206 on April 02, 2017, 10:17:23 AM
That happens on any route. Most journeys on the 94 are fine. I've seen incidents like that on the 74, that still got upgraded in 2014.
HERE HERE!!! we can start a whole new debate on here, the 50 Is much worse anyway. Used to use that all the time when I had a job in Kings Heath. Still anyway I've been seeing my therapist for the last few hours still reeling from the shock.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 02, 2017, 01:27:57 PM
HERE HERE!!! we can start a whole new debate on here, the 50 Is much worse anyway. Used to use that all the time when I had a job in Kings Heath. Still anyway I've been seeing my therapist for the last few hours still reeling from the shock.
I often use the 11, 55 and 94 and have done for many years. The 11 is much worse. However, its quite rare to see someone smoking/fighting on the 55/94 these days.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 02, 2017, 01:27:57 PM
HERE HERE!!! we can start a whole new debate on here, the 50 Is much worse anyway. Used to use that all the time when I had a job in Kings Heath. Still anyway I've been seeing my therapist for the last few hours still reeling from the shock.
You can get trouble on any bus?? What routes are we saying no trouble happens on?
Ok Birmingham routes probably have a higher chance
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 02, 2017, 01:45:18 PM
You can get trouble on any bus?? What routes are we saying no trouble happens on?
A couple of months back on the 99 going through Edgbaston there was an old smelly man smoking his strong smelling cigar.
Quote from: 2206 on April 02, 2017, 01:50:55 PM
A couple of months back on the 99 going through Edgbaston there was an old smelly man smoking his strong smelling cigar.
Exactly and that's regarded as a nice area- crime happens on all nx buses diamond however 😜😜
Quote from: 2206 on April 02, 2017, 01:50:55 PM
A couple of months back on the 99 going through Edgbaston there was an old smelly man smoking his strong smelling cigar.
You sure it wasn't Trident 4194?
Quote from: MW on April 02, 2017, 02:37:16 PM
You sure it wasn't Trident 4194?
The worst I have experienced is a drunk man singing lovely day very happily on diamond buses. Too much smoking I believe on buses
Quote from: dw1308 on April 02, 2017, 03:10:50 PM
Platinum PB6738 I believe on the 94
There are quite a few on there today, spare platinums are now used on the 94 on Sundays. It wouldn't have been 6738 though as thats at Walsall and X51/997 Branded.
Quote from: Kevin on April 02, 2017, 09:02:59 AM
You're never going to rid the bus route of the people that live on it, maybe now you realise why it doesn't get upgraded
Well apparently a Platinum has already had it's window smashed in at Chelmsley Wood I'm told.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 02, 2017, 09:00:52 PM
Well apparently a Platinum has already had it's window smashed in at Chelmsley Wood I'm told.
Advantage of the MMC. Windows can be replaced very easily!
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 02, 2017, 09:00:52 PM
Well apparently a Platinum has already had it's window smashed in at Chelmsley Wood I'm told.
Big mistake putting the MMCs on the 94. They are getting trashed on the Suttons as it is so I'm hearing.
I don't agree with this 'Platinum bus on other routes' Sundays. I can see why the company do it but it's not good for passengers that will expect them on other routes every other day of the week. Plus they look absolutely stupid and unprofessional been route branded and then put on a completly different route.
I still think the Sutton branded buses need the X14 added to the map and branding in a different colour, as still there are always branded buses on the X14
Quote from: Tony on March 31, 2017, 02:03:02 PM
4280; 4480; 4487; 4503; 4689 can also be added to the PB list
If anyone's interested, 4479 now done
Quote from: John on April 03, 2017, 10:33:15 AM
Big mistake putting the MMCs on the 94. They are getting trashed on the Suttons as it is so I'm hearing.
I don't agree with this 'Platinum bus on other routes' Sundays. I can see why the company do it but it's not good for passengers that will expect them on other routes every other day of the week. Plus they look absolutely stupid and unprofessional been route branded and then put on a completly different route.
I still think the Sutton branded buses need the X14 added to the map and branding in a different colour, as still there are always branded buses on the X14
Whys it a big mistake putting them on the 94?
Not one of them on the 94 yesterday was Branded for the Sutton Services, so it doesn't look stupid.
4777 and 4781 is/was on the 46 today.
As mentioned on here before - since the introduction of the Platinums, the Omnicities have seemed to stray away from the 907 - hence why I didn't post this in the NW thread
@James4368 Omnicity's are common on the 52/A.
6808 is on the 94 today
Can anyone tell me where the 28E's which terminate at Dyas Road turnaround please? Didn't seem to be a turning circle and roundabout near by when went down at the weekend?
It's tight but they turn arround in the mouth of the junction just after the bus stop.
Quote from: danny on April 17, 2017, 06:22:53 PM
It's tight but they turn arround in the mouth of the junction just after the bus stop.
It was fun to do that turn when the school was coming out with cars parked everywhere. Only used on Nights and Sundays now
Quote from: sonic84 on April 17, 2017, 05:03:12 PM
Can anyone tell me where the 28E's which terminate at Dyas Road turnaround please? Didn't seem to be a turning circle and roundabout near by when went down at the weekend?
Ah lovely. I thought that might be the case but worth asking to double check! Thanks!
Saw 4697 sitting in the middle of the Reserve/Withdrawn Tridents. Not sure why it's there.
I'm sure that I read in one of the topics (or on Facebook) that 4697 & 4698 were going to the Training Fleet
Quote from: wmacb13 on April 21, 2017, 07:07:12 PM
I'm sure that I read in one of the topics (or on Facebook) that 4697 & 4698 were going to the Training Fleet
Surely a Trident would be better? 4697/8 are only 12 years old
Quote from: Jack B on April 21, 2017, 05:57:40 PM
Saw 4697 sitting in the middle of the Reserve/Withdrawn Tridents at Miller Street. Not sure why it's there.
Quote from: wmacb13 on April 21, 2017, 07:07:12 PM
I'm sure that I read in one of the topics (or on Facebook) that 4697 & 4698 were going to the Training Fleet
I heard 4698 was going to be a Trainer. Heard nothing about 4697 becoming one.
looks like the PB thread's been unpinned by accident? ???
Quote from: clayderman on April 22, 2017, 12:12:35 AM
looks like the PB thread's been unpinned by accident? ???
Added back to sticky threads.
Quote from: Jack B on April 21, 2017, 11:45:16 PM
I heard 4698 was going to be a Trainer. Heard nothing about 4697 becoming one.
Been on the cards for ages now. Now it appears to be withdrawn at Miller Street,are we getting a replacement bus for it?
Do we think the 77 might return to Walsall with the pending East Brum changes.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 23, 2017, 09:26:05 AM
Do we think the 77 might return to Walsall with the pending East Brum changes.
Why would it?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 23, 2017, 09:26:05 AM
Do we think the 77 might return to Walsall with the pending East Brum changes.
I have been told by two Walsall drivers that the 77 will return to Walsall. Apparently, the 77A would still be operated by Perry Barr. The date is on 4th June 2017.
77 is confirmed to be returning in June
Quote from: BU07 LGO on April 23, 2017, 10:15:31 AM
77 is confirmed to be returning in June
Thanks for the confirmation,
@BU07 LGO! Just how it should be, the 77 being operated by Walsall. :P
Quote from: P419 EJW on April 23, 2017, 10:19:08 AM
Thanks for the confirmation, @BU07 LGO! Just how it should be, the 77 being operated by Walsall. :P
I wonder if we'll get a couple more tridents? Apparently it could be going onto willenhall or streetly Rota though
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 23, 2017, 09:26:05 AM
Do we think the 77 might return to Walsall with the pending East Brum changes.
I was speculating not expecting my thought to be correct. I was speculating on the basis that I was expecting the PB would be gaining extra work through the East Brum changes i.e might get the 71 or with the 96 extra buses being required etc
Quote from: BU07 LGO on April 23, 2017, 10:22:14 AM
I wonder if we'll get a couple more tridents? Apparently it could be going into willenhall or streetly Rota though
77 is 3 buses (extra 1 bus = 4 - for the pm peak), so I would guess the same. I would have thought it would be back on Brownhills rota like before? I can't see Willenhall to have the 77... Streetly, possibly.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 23, 2017, 10:27:20 AM
I was speculating not expecting my thought to be correct. I was speculating on the basis that I was expecting the PB would be gaining extra work through the East Brum changes i.e might get the 71 or with the 96 extra buses being required etc
I doubt PB garage has the capacity to take on much extra work.
With PB covering the Erdington to C wood section on the old 966 that I suppose counts for the 77 in (a non knowledgeable mans mind) theory. So may just balance out.
Quote from: P419 EJW on April 23, 2017, 10:36:41 AM
77 is 3 buses (extra 1 bus = 4 - for the pm peak), so I would guess the same. I would have thought it would be back on Brownhills rota like before? I can't see Willenhall to have the 77... Streetly, possibly.
Willenhall have lost a lot of work with loss of 36,40 and 69 though
Quote from: BU07 LGO on April 23, 2017, 10:46:59 AM
Willenhall have lost a lot of work with loss of 36,40 and 69 though
That is true. I forgot about them! Perhaps Willenhall rota may get the 77 then. Just have to wait and see what happens.
Quote from: P419 EJW on April 23, 2017, 10:10:33 AM
I have been told by two Walsall drivers that the 77 will return to Walsall. Apparently, the 77A would still be operated by Perry Barr. The date is on 4th June 2017.
Rumor is,
28 to Bordesley Green,
55 to Perry Barr and Decker operated,
96 to Perry Barr as well?
Quote from: 2206 on April 23, 2017, 01:34:41 PM
Rumor is,
28 to Bordesley Green,
55 to Perry Barr and Decker operated,
96 to Perry Barr as well?
And i would think the 55 uses less buses than the 28 so that would free up a couple of buses for the other new services. I am also wondering if we might pick up the 71 as well as i wouldn't think i it would interwork with the 72 and it is too far for the AG drivers to travel to Chelmsley Wood.
Quote from: 2206 on April 23, 2017, 01:34:41 PM
Rumor is,
28 to Bordesley Green,
55 to Perry Barr and Decker operated,
96 to Perry Barr as well?
28 / 55 isn't going happen
Quote from: Tony on April 23, 2017, 03:08:28 PM
28 / 55 isn't going happen
Thanks for clarifying, someone had posted on my WMBU Facebook page that the 28 was going to Bordesley.
Quote from: John on April 23, 2017, 03:00:40 PM
And i would think the 55 uses less buses than the 28 so that would free up a couple of buses for the other new services. I am also wondering if we might pick up the 71 as well as i wouldn't think i it would interwork with the 72 and it is too far for the AG drivers to travel to Chelmsley Wood.
As an outside observer and just a speculator it would make more sense for the 55 and 94 to come from the same garage, but who knows.
Quote from: dingding on April 23, 2017, 06:25:23 PM
Saw Platinum 6824 on the 94 early this morning.
Dave
@dingding Platinum's are allocated on the 94 on a Sunday.
Oh dear!
Is there any reason why they've chosen the 94 for the Platinums on a Sunday? I'd have thought they'd have gone on the 907?
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 23, 2017, 08:44:38 PM
Is there any reason why they've chosen the 94 for the Platinums on a Sunday? I'd have thought they'd have gone on the 907?
In my humble view because those districts get enough resource as it is.
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 23, 2017, 08:44:38 PM
Is there any reason why they've chosen the 94 for the Platinums on a Sunday? I'd have thought they'd have gone on the 907?
I thought the 907 too to be honest. Being a limited stop route itself
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 23, 2017, 09:18:51 PM
I thought the 907 too to be honest. Being a limited stop route itself
They will be on the 907 too. Only 3 buses needed on a Sunday
Quote from: John on April 23, 2017, 09:21:37 PM
They will be on the 907 too. Only 3 buses needed on a Sunday
Only 2 on there today. 4929 was on the 907 too.
Quote from: Jack B on April 23, 2017, 09:22:31 PM
Only 2 on there today. 4929 was on the 907 too.
The 94 had at least 3 Geminis on it last Sunday, so it seems not one other (not the allocated Suttons) route is fully Platinum
Quote from: BU07 LGO on April 23, 2017, 10:46:59 AM
Willenhall have lost a lot of work with loss of 36,40 and 69 though
I've been told by a Perry Barr driver on the 77 that it's going back on the Brownhills at Walsall. Also apparently they've all been given the option to transfer with it if they wish to.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 24, 2017, 01:05:50 PM
I've been told by a Perry Barr driver on the 77 that it's going back on the Brownhills at Walsall. Also apparently they've all been given the option to transfer with it if they wish to.
Okay, I give up. What does this mean?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 24, 2017, 01:05:50 PM
I've been told by a Perry Barr driver on the 77 that it's going back on the Brownhills at Walsall. Also apparently they've all been given the option to transfer with it if they wish to.
Why on earth would they want to transfer away because of one route. How silly.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on April 25, 2017, 01:04:58 PM
Okay, I give up. What does this mean?
Brownhills rota which is 6 And 10s I think
@BU07 LGO would be able to confirm
Quote from: The Real 4778 on April 25, 2017, 01:04:58 PM
Okay, I give up. What does this mean?
Basically the current drivers on the 77 at Perry Barr have been given the option to transfer to Walsall and go onto the Brownhills Rota if they want to remain on the 77.
Quote from: Dom on April 25, 2017, 01:26:51 PM
Why on earth would they want to transfer away because of one route. How silly.
Some drivers hate Birmingham city centre and the rotas at PB are mainly Birmingham work whereas the rota at Walsall won't contain any. That is sufficient justification for some drivers.
If that's the case, hope they take the Wa 89 off the same rota (if that information I was given on the other thread is correct! ) so my sister will stop moaning about the Sunday reliability of the 89!
I was told yesterday by a 71/72 rota driver that the 71 is to move to Perry Barr on June 4th. My apologises if this has already been mentioned.
4279 now has the new exhaust, ad-blue flap added on the lower skirt panel in the usual position. First ALX400 I've seen with this
Quote from: Chris on April 25, 2017, 01:59:19 PM
Brownhills rota which is 6 And 10s I think @BU07 LGO would be able to confirm
6,7,7a,10,10a,36,705
Quote from: Chris on April 25, 2017, 01:59:19 PM
Brownhills rota which is 6 And 10s I think @BU07 LGO would be able to confirm
Thank you. Just goes to show that literacy is not some arbitrary fad.
Quote from: John on April 26, 2017, 12:17:29 PM
4279 now has the new exhaust, ad-blue flap added on the lower skirt panel in the usual position. First ALX400 I've seen with this
4283 also done now
Quote from: Westy on April 25, 2017, 11:18:21 PM
If that's the case, hope they take the Wa 89 off the same rota (if that information I was given on the other thread is correct! ) so my sister will stop moaning about the Sunday reliability of the 89!
@Westy it's not on the same Rota. At the moment Sunday's only they're considering working it with the the 6 and 10 to try to improve time keeping but each journey will be done by drivers of its own Rota, so a willenhall driver will do 89 then change with a brownhills driver that'll do 6,10.
Quote from: BU07 LGO on April 28, 2017, 09:37:41 AM
@Westy it's not on the same Rota. At the moment Sunday's only they're considering working it with the the 6 and 10 to try to improve time keeping but each journey will be done by drivers of its own Rota, so a willenhall driver will do 89 then change with a brownhills driver that'll do 6,10.
Still bad enough having to hear her moan, whether it is interworked or not!
Quote from: John on April 27, 2017, 09:24:31 PM
4283 also done now
4245 also has the traps fitted.
Is 6809 alive and well, not seen it on Sutton lines for over a month or so now.
7021 driven the evacuees of the Aston bomb back home from the Alexander Stadium
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-aston-expressway-bomb-traffic-13040331 (Article posted at 17:21)
Quote from: Adam 404 on May 16, 2017, 05:40:47 PM
702 driven the evacuees of the Aston bomb back home from the Alexander Stadium
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-aston-expressway-bomb-traffic-13040331 (Article posted at 17:21)
7021
4284 now has the Samsung advert, and they were waiting for me to bring 4280 back and that is been applied now
4479 badly leaking water on most of the lower deck.
PB route learning omnilink out on the new 96 route again just now.
Found a leaflet at work today saying "use our 65/67 buses" detailing nearest stops to Aston Station and where it stops in town
Nice to see the Lichfield Rd at least getting the slightest bit of attention but I do have to laugh that it's when they've reduced the daytime frequency
Quote from: Kevin on May 22, 2017, 01:00:58 PM
Found a leaflet at work today saying "use our 65/67 buses" detailing nearest stops to Aston Station and where it stops in town
Nice to see the Lichfield Rd at least getting the slightest bit of attention but I do have to laugh that it's when they've reduced the daytime frequency
I got a leaflet about routes 2/3/5/6/31/37 the other day. They're definitely spending more money on marketing. Every single 11 bus shelter I've seen on my side of the city is now advertising the new low fare.
Quote from: Kevin on May 22, 2017, 01:00:58 PM
Found a leaflet at work today saying "use our 65/67 buses" detailing nearest stops to Aston Station and where it stops in town
Nice to see the Lichfield Rd at least getting the slightest bit of attention but I do have to laugh that it's when they've reduced the daytime frequency
And it's run by the oldest and scruffiest buses that PB have to offer.
Quote from: MW on May 22, 2017, 01:15:53 PM
I got a leaflet about routes 2/3/5/6/31/37 the other day. They're definitely spending more money on marketing. Every single 11 bus shelter I've seen on my side of the city is now advertising the new low fare.
Plus the stops also advertise the short hop tickets, they say that its £1.50 to Acocks Green and £1.50 to the Swan from this stop on the 11 route.
Quote from: 2206 on May 22, 2017, 04:02:02 PM
Plus the stops also advertise the short hop tickets, they say that its £1.50 to Acocks Green and £1.50 to the Swan from this stop on the 11 route.
Yeah, seen a stop on Shaftmoor Lane advertising £1.50 to Acocks Green Village
4291 has now had the Samsung all-over wrap applied. This means there are now three vehicles at PB with the wrap applied (4280 and 4284 being the other two). Also a number of others at other garages.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on May 25, 2017, 05:42:16 PM
4291 has now had the Samsung all-over wrap applied. This means there are now three vehicles at PB with the wrap applied (4280 and 4284 being the other two). Also a number of others at other garages.
4291 has had it for ages
Quote from: John on May 25, 2017, 06:31:49 PM
4291 has had it for ages
4148; 4595; 4596; 4280; 4284 & 4291 are the 6
Quote from: John on May 25, 2017, 06:31:49 PM
4291 has had it for ages
Haven't noticed it to be honest!
Quote from: Tony on May 25, 2017, 06:40:25 PM
4148; 4595; 4596; 4280; 4284 & 4291 are the 6
Thanks for that
@Tony. I completely forgot which ones had been done.
Quote from: Tony on May 25, 2017, 06:40:25 PM
4148; 4595; 4596; 4280; 4284 & 4291 are the 6
All one sided then nothing Blackcountry end entering City..ie Hagley Rd - Walsall Rd.
Quote from: 979 on May 25, 2017, 08:11:16 PM
All one sided then nothing Blackcountry end entering City..ie Hagley Rd - Walsall Rd.
All adverts come as a request by the advertising agency telling us which garages they have to be at. I just nominate vehicles at the garage they request.
4166; 4179; 4290; 4334 & 4523 will be getting megarears soon as well
Quote from: Tony on May 25, 2017, 08:34:50 PM
4166; 4179; 4290; 4334 & 4523 will be getting megarears soon as well
cant we have 4194 done the bus not the person
@Tony
4780 is on the 16 if it's of any interest
Sunday 96 routelearners out again, do they do the 71 in the same session?
@John
Quote from: andy41 on May 28, 2017, 12:07:30 PM
Sunday 96 routelearners out again, do they do the 71 in the same session? @John
I think so
@andy41
Seeing a Platinum on the 94 today, i am wondering if after post popular review the 94 will keep these buses on a Sunday. (Will it be one less bus on a Sunday now or will going from 15 mins to 20mins not make much difference).
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 28, 2017, 05:11:14 PM
Seeing a Platinum on the 94 today, i am wondering if after post popular review the 94 will keep these buses on a Sunday. (Will it be one less bus on a Sunday now or will going from 15 mins to 20mins not make much difference).
Looking at new 94 timetable they will get a 17 minutes drop back at Chelmsley Wood in the daytime. They currently get about 14 minutes.
Quote from: Brummie45 on May 28, 2017, 06:52:11 PM
Looking at new 94 timetable they will get a 17 minutes drop back in the daytime. They currently get about 14 minutes.
What does that mean, (rest at terminus / catch up time)??
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 28, 2017, 06:54:05 PM
What does that mean, (rest at terminus / catch up time)??
Yeah it does. I should've specified Sunday timetable as well.
I knew you meant the Sunday TT, cheers fella.
So does that mean it will have the same Sunday PVR or whatever its called.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 28, 2017, 06:58:16 PM
I knew you meant the Sunday TT, cheers fella.
So does that mean it will have the same Sunday PVR or whatever its called.
Haven't got a clue on that. Maybe Tony or someone else can answer that question for you.
1904 is on the PB 28, just passed Ward End, The Fox and Goose going towards Small Heath on the 17:35 from Great Barr, Scott Arms.
Quote from: 2206 on May 30, 2017, 06:37:57 PM
1904 is on the PB 28, just passed Ward End, The Fox and Goose going towards Small Heath on the 17:35 from Great Barr, Scott Arms.
A transfer. 1900 is on the 94 also
46 and 52/A apparently to go completely Omnilink.
Will the 94 get another down grade lol
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 30, 2017, 10:47:50 PM
Will the 94 get another down grade lol
Probably to SWB E200s
Why all the moaning about the buses on the 94? The Geminis are fine, nothing wrong with them plus the crimson ones look very smart.
1904 is on the 66, 8.45am from City to Kingstanding
Quote from: John on May 31, 2017, 08:43:54 AM
Why all the moaning about the buses on the 94? The Geminis are fine, nothing wrong with them plus the crimson ones look very smart.
1904 is on the 66, 8.45am from City to Kingstanding
Because they need something to moan about, it's stupid the Geminis are looking great in crimson and retrimmed and an 09 plate is still a downgrade!??!! What planet are some people from?
Well, 6812 was on 94 last night so it's hardly a downgrade. ::)
Quote from: Chris on May 31, 2017, 10:06:35 AM
Because they need something to moan about, it's stupid the Geminis are looking great in crimson and retrimmed and an 09 plate is still a downgrade!??!! What planet are some people from?
It's making observations that some routes get the attention and investment and other get dregs and refurbs. In terms of planets a planet where these simple observations can be made and highlighted in an open forum. Happy days.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 31, 2017, 09:51:09 PM
It's making observations that some routes get the attention and investment and other get dregs and refurbs. In terms of planets a planet where these simple observations can be made and highlighted in an open forum. Happy days.
As in shoeboxes on the 94? Sorry ALX400 B7TL`s?
@monkeyjoe
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 31, 2017, 09:51:09 PM
It's making observations that some routes get the attention and investment and other get dregs and refurbs. In terms of planets a planet where these simple observations can be made and highlighted in an open forum. Happy days.
Wasn't having a go about that it was the fact you called a Scania Omnilink a downgrade.
I get the 255 most days to work and it's Tridents some Y regs and mainly 54 plates maybe with the surprise sneaky platinum or Hybrid in the day. They get me from A to B, they are clean nippy buses. I'm just happy a bus turns up!
Investment? NX probably choose the routes in advance the ones that receive the new buses. Maybe the 94 will get the new 17/67 plate buses or the hybrids due this year soo...
Quit your jibber jabber fool! The 94 will get new buses when it does!
Quote from: Chris on June 01, 2017, 08:03:48 AM
Wasn't having a go about that it was the fact you called a Scania Omnilink a downgrade.
I get the 255 most days to work and it's Tridents some Y regs and mainly 54 plates maybe with the surprise sneaky platinum or Hybrid in the day. They get me from A to B, they are clean nippy buses. I'm just happy a bus turns up!
Investment? NX probably choose the routes in advance the ones that receive the new buses. Maybe the 94 will get the new 17/67 plate buses or the hybrids due this year soo...
Quit your jibber jabber fool! The 94 will get new buses when it does!
He didn't call a Scania Omnilink a downgrade though? Any Scania Omnilink on the 94 is a rare working, the 94 is B7TL ALX400 and Gemini operated, not Scania Omnilink operated.
Quote from: 2206 on June 01, 2017, 09:11:27 AM
He didn't call a Scania Omnilink a downgrade though? Any Scania Omnilink on the 94 is a rare working, the 94 is B7TL ALX400 and Gemini operated, not Scania Omnilink operated.
With the odd E400 on the 94.
4490 on the 33. Starting to get less noteworthy now, I'm wondering if some branded Enviro400s are off the road
Jibber jabber adds to the forum flow and also depends on the mode.
I did not intend that in a harsh way and if I have offended you I apologise, I ment it as banter
@monkeyjoe I actually like the 94 route and the nicely done Geminis
Not offended dude in the slightest lol
Is the 66 to be branded in green? The image here suggest that this may be the case.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1543470589031303&substory_index=0&id=204017859643256
Quote from: Adam 404 on June 02, 2017, 12:43:36 PM
Is the 66 to be branded in green? The image here suggest that this may be the case.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1543470589031303&substory_index=0&id=204017859643256
Wouldn't read too much into the pictures on all those posts, got the 96 as a decker which is not possible and the 73 which I'm fairly sure is going single deck
Also Platinum X70 when it's been stated on here it's staying Trident operated
Quote from: Kevin on June 02, 2017, 01:17:22 PM
Wouldn't read too much into the pictures on all those posts, got the 96 as a decker which is not possible and the 73 which I'm fairly sure is going single deck
Also Platinum X70 when it's been stated on here it's staying Trident operated
Where did you read the 73 is going single decker?
Quote from: 2206 on June 02, 2017, 01:26:14 PM
Where did you read the 73 is going single decker?
Isn't it supposed to be interworking with the 58?
Quote from: Adam 404 on June 02, 2017, 03:11:36 PM
Isn't it supposed to be interworking with the 58?
No
AG ALX400s are for the 1, 73 and to make numbers up on the 11 with the branded Geminis
Quote from: 2206 on June 02, 2017, 01:26:14 PM
Where did you read the 73 is going single decker?
Well it was on here but obviously that was wrong, ah well
Still
Point stands
Those pictures mean nowt
1933 is on the 67 today.
1903 is on the 94, at Ward End, The Fox and Goose at 12:15.
Quote from: 2206 on June 03, 2017, 04:59:23 PM
1933 is on the 67 today.
1903 is on the 94, at Ward End, The Fox and Goose at 12:15.
1933 will be on 65s as well, so could be on either a 65 or 67 board
2 Geminis on the 33 again today, 4502 and 4689. Must be at least one branded Enviro400 off the road
1902 spent the day on the 15A and 1904 on the 15C.
761 operated the last 77(E) out of Walsall at 17:50 to New Oscott. However 4291 did the final PB77 with the 18:05 77E to Foley Arms.
Quote from: 2206 on June 12, 2017, 05:56:06 PM
1906 and another omnilink are on the 67.
Not unusual
@2206 as one comes off the 71S school service and now that we have less double decks, they will appear more on peak extras
7033 has been running around all day on the 52/A with a piece of paper in the window with the route numbers on. Someone probably forgot to load PB's blinds back on after it's loan to Walsall.
4481 is/was on the 33.
4494 - 33
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 26, 2017, 07:52:33 AM
4280, 4283 and 4288 are all on PB33.
B7TLs no longer noteworthy on the 33, as there has been more than one on there every day for at least the last week. There is at least 1 branded bus off the road at the minute
4279 has just done a nice big loop of the Chester Road Island with Queslett Road East. Not sure what it's doing though. It's just gone down Chester Road North heading towards New Oscott.
Quote from: Tony on May 25, 2017, 08:34:50 PM
4166; 4179; 4290; 4334 & 4523 will be getting megarears soon as well
4523 is on the 11C today, now with its megarear for a news channel.
4280 has now had it's all-over Samsung advert taken off. It looked quite a mess, with bits of the paintwork appearing to be damaged when it was on the 65 this afternoon.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 05, 2017, 06:34:10 PM
4280 has now had it's all-over Samsung advert taken off. It looked quite a mess, with bits of the paintwork appearing to be damaged when it was on the 65 this afternoon.
Deliberately heavy handed in taking the ad off in order for the ad agency to pay for its repaint? ;)
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 05, 2017, 06:34:10 PM
4280 has now had it's all-over Samsung advert taken off. It looked quite a mess, with bits of the paintwork appearing to be damaged when it was on the 65 this afternoon.
4284 has aswell, doesn't look as messy as 4280. 4291 still carrying it Samsung all-over advert, on the 52/A today if anyone wants a photo.
Quote from: Jack B on July 14, 2017, 05:10:10 PM
7031 - 67
Not rare anymore
@Jack B.
Omnilinks get onto the 65/67 regularly (every day at the minute), especially in the peaks.
Quote from: John on June 12, 2017, 06:02:40 PM
Not unusual @2206 as one comes off the 71S school service and now that we have less double decks, they will appear more on peak extras
Quote from: 2206 on July 14, 2017, 06:48:46 PM
Not rare anymore @Jack B.
Omnilinks get onto the 65/67 regularly (every day at the minute), especially in the peaks.
Yes there has been one on the 65 every day this week. PM Peak boards on both the 65 and 67 can regularly be an OmniLink
Quote from: Jack B on July 18, 2017, 10:33:20 AM
E400 - PB 46
4488 - 52/A
Quote from: Jack B on July 20, 2017, 11:51:39 AM
4777 - 46
Quote from: Jack B on July 20, 2017, 06:40:40 PM
Both 4279 and 4284 are on the 46.
@Jack B None of these are really noteworthy. Even though they should be OmniLink operated, deckers are still common on the 46/52. The OmniCitys are used all over still, on the same routes as B7TLs
Quote from: John on July 20, 2017, 06:45:41 PM
@Jack B
None of these are really noteworthy. Even though they should be OmniLink operated, deckers are still common on the 46/52. The OmniCitys are used all over still, on the same routes as B7TLs
Thanks for updating me. However, theres 2 B7TLS (ALX400) on the 52 every Saturday. Geminis have near enough vanished. The 46 seems to be everything now. Still it makes no sense when PB want to make these routes fully single deck, when they don't have enough.
So apparently PB have 2134 on loan
How are aby of their drivers type trained on them? Or does being trained for the Gemini suffice?
Quote from: Kevin on July 22, 2017, 02:56:52 PM
So apparently PB have 2134 on loan
How are aby of their drivers type trained on them? Or does being trained for the Gemini suffice?
No, the cabs on the Geminis and the Mark 2 B7RLE is pretty different.
Separately trained when they were at AG.
Quote from: MW on July 22, 2017, 08:49:46 PM
No, the cabs on the Geminis and the Mark 2 B7RLE is pretty different.
Separately trained when they were at AG.
Without wishing to be too controversial and start an argument, I would say as a bus driver myself I do not know why some drivers feel the need to have to drive a new vehicle type before taking it out in service. I have driven many different vehicle types from Metrobuses and Olympians to StreetDecks and despite different cab layouts it should only take a 5 minute static demonstration to know where all the key buttons are. Yes there may be a few buttons that you don't know but they won't. E important and most are fairly obvious. I do not buy into the argument that says that vehicle types have different braking etc so practice is needed. If you are a professional driver you should be driving carefully so as to be able to react to all occurrences and not use jerky brakes or similar as an excuse. I have witnessed people in my own company who have refused to drive a new vehicle type because they haven't been type trained and I think that is the wrong attitude to have. No bus in current use is so different to any other to justify that (excepting electric or hybrid perhaps).
Quote from: j789 on July 22, 2017, 09:38:13 PM
Without wishing to be too controversial and start an argument, I would say as a bus driver myself I do not know why some drivers feel the need to have to drive a new vehicle type before taking it out in service. I have driven many different vehicle types from Metrobuses and Olympians to StreetDecks and despite different cab layouts it should only take a 5 minute static demonstration to know where all the key buttons are. Yes there may be a few buttons that you don't know but they won't. E important and most are fairly obvious. I do not buy into the argument that says that vehicle types have different braking etc so practice is needed. If you are a professional driver you should be driving carefully so as to be able to react to all occurrences and not use jerky brakes or similar as an excuse. I have witnessed people in my own company who have refused to drive a new vehicle type because they haven't been type trained and I think that is the wrong attitude to have. No bus in current use is so different to any other to justify that (excepting electric or hybrid perhaps).
When you're type trained as a new driver, they take you for a spin around the block in all the buses. When it's a new vehicle to the garage and you're a current driver, they do the 5 minutes check to show you the controls.
The reason when you're a new driver is probably because you've just been driving clapped out relics and the service buses are vastly different in terms of controls being a lot lighter etc.
Quote from: MW on July 22, 2017, 10:06:37 PM
The reason when you're a new driver is probably because you've just been driving clapped out relics and the service buses are vastly different in terms of controls being a lot lighter etc.
Good point, even though I'm sure I'm not the only one who drove a Metrobus training vehicle and still think that is far superior to anything else I have driven since. They had character!
Quote from: j789 on July 22, 2017, 10:15:40 PM
Good point, even though I'm sure I'm not the only one who drove a Metrobus training vehicle and still think that is far superior to anything else I have driven since. They had character!
Oh definitely. I never got to drive a Metrobus, just start it and rev the tits off it to get the air levels up. But I did drive the B10Bs/Ls/O405N, and the first service bus I drove was a B7TL Plaxton. It was a lot lighter, the cab was more enclosed (as training buses are open), and it generally felt more car like. Once you're used to bus driving, type training should only be a quick guide on the controls, and that's what it was with us. They had YW6148 and AG2201 to type train us on the MMCs.
I know as a driver myself I was trained on a Metrobus and my first bus I was trained on was the Omnilink but I had got a Trident on a School Time 41 so at 13:55 I was type trained on it and then drove it out of the garage. I hadn't been type trained on the Volvo B7RLE Urban 56 plates until Friday and the Urban 2 is on Monday type training
Back On Topic
Do PB still have 2134 on loan If so is to replace an Omnilink
Quote from: BusFan94 on July 23, 2017, 10:13:13 AM
I know as a driver myself I was trained on a Metrobus and my first bus I was trained on was the Omnilink but I had got a Trident on a School Time 41 so at 13:55 I was type trained on it and then drove it out of the garage. I hadn't been type trained on the Volvo B7RLE Urban 56 plates until Friday and the Urban 2 is on Monday type training
Back On Topic
Do PB still have 2134 on loan If so is to replace an Omnilink
who's doing your training on Monday?
Haven't been told yet
Edit just been emailed to save naming the employee lets call him Mr Mj
Quote from: BusFan94 on July 23, 2017, 12:39:48 PM
Haven't been told yet
Edit just been emailed to save naming the employee lets call him Mr Mj
Strange, as there are only two people do the type training at Walsall, and I was in their office talking to them a few times last week, so surprised I didn't see you, you would also know which one was doing your training if they had already done some.
Quote from: Tony on July 23, 2017, 05:04:50 PM
Strange, as there are only two people do the type training at Walsall, and I was in their office talking to them a few times last week, so surprised I didn't see you, you would also know which one was doing your training if they had already done some.
You might of but if you asked I don't know what you look like what days where you there I also Apparently they said the one Instructor who had on the 56plate B7RLE is training someone else.
Quote from: BusFan94 on July 23, 2017, 05:33:41 PM
You might of but if you asked I don't know what you look like what days where you there I also Apparently they said the one Instructor who had on the 56plate B7RLE is training someone else.
It was also only a week ago you were starting reduced hours at your other job!
This Job I was trying to keep it Quiet. Monday I'm training, Wednesday driving, Saturday Driving then Tuesday Driving after that I have no idea
Quote from: BusFan94 on July 23, 2017, 06:02:58 PM
This Job I was trying to keep it Quiet. Monday I'm training, Wednesday driving, Saturday Driving then Tuesday Driving after that I have no idea
So all your postings in the last 3 weeks have been lies where you have allegedly been riding and seeing buses?
Quote from: Tony on July 23, 2017, 06:07:58 PM
So all your postings in the last 3 weeks have been lies where you have allegedly been riding and seeing buses?
No As I only work Mornings that round trip was a Day off as I needed a rest and spend time with my family
Quote from: BusFan94 on July 23, 2017, 06:12:23 PM
No As I only work Mornings that round trip was a Day off as I needed a rest and spend time with my family
AS far as I know our training school do not let people 'just work mornings' when training.
To settle this, because I really don't believe you, give me the initials, not full name of either of the Walsall Instructors who have type trained you
Quote from: Tony on July 23, 2017, 06:18:54 PM
AS far as I know our training school do not let people 'just work mornings' when training.
To settle this, because I really don't believe you, give me the initials, not full name of either of the Walsall Instructors who have type trained you
It's not the Training school the buses I can actually drive I drive the Mornings as I have 2 year old son and my girlfriend goes to work after I finish so I have to go and pick him up from Nursery. I don't Type train until midday
Quote from: BusFan94 on July 23, 2017, 10:13:13 AM
I know as a driver myself I was trained on a Metrobus and my first bus I was trained on was the Omnilink but I had got a Trident on a School Time 41 so at 13:55 I was type trained on it and then drove it out of the garage. I hadn't been type trained on the Volvo B7RLE Urban 56 plates until Friday and the Urban 2 is on Monday type training
Back On Topic
Do PB still have 2134 on loan If so is to replace an Omnilink
Who did your type training today then? only initials to not identify him.
Same driver did that school run last Tuesday to Friday, and he was a driver at Walsall when I was there several years ago.
M.S the head of the The driving school God knows why he was training me but there you go
Quote from: BusFan94 on July 24, 2017, 06:05:43 PM
M.S the head of the The driving school God knows why he was training me but there you go
The Driving School do not do Type training!
Quote from: BusFan94 on July 24, 2017, 06:05:43 PM
head of the The driving school
And there's me thinking The The was a musical group. Matt Johnson must be diversifying!
Left work a little later than usual today so saw a 94C for the first time. Left City Centre approx 8am. Am I right in thinking that when first introduced in June, it was mentioned that in ran from the Fox and Goose and was operated by a BC trident that took up a 14 board later? The bus I saw today was a usual PB Gemini from City.
Quote from: Gareth on July 25, 2017, 08:59:50 AM
Left work a little later than usual today so saw a 94C for the first time. Left City Centre approx 8am. Am I right in thinking that when first introduced in June, it was mentioned that in ran from the Fox and Goose and was operated by a BC trident that took up a 14 board later? The bus I saw today was a usual PB Gemini from City.
It's the afternoon one that is a BC bus off the 14
4504 is on the 101; hasn't it transferred?
Quote from: clayderman on August 03, 2017, 04:39:49 PM
4504 is on the 101; hasn't it transferred?
Only on paper
Quote from: John on August 03, 2017, 05:31:56 PM
Only on paper
Oh, ok. I remember it being mentioned before.
Would this mean that its *technically* on loan? ???
When did the Lichfield road buses drop in frequency?
Also have the Rota's changed because of 65/67 interworking?
Is the 7 separate now?
Also does anyone know why PB are short of buses?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on August 04, 2017, 07:23:03 PM
When did the Lichfield road buses drop in frequency?
Also have the Rota's changed because of 65/67 interworking?
Is the 7 separate now?
Also does anyone know why PB are short of buses?
February, down to every 12 minutes from every 10 off peak. So a 6 minute frequency City to Salford Circus
No the rotas are the same, Perry common for 7 and 65 boards (which do 3 67 journeys a day)
Castle Vale for 67 boards (that do 3 65 journeys a day)
It will go back to just interworking on Saturdays after the holidays
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on August 04, 2017, 07:23:03 PM
When did the Lichfield road buses drop in frequency?
Also have the Rota's changed because of 65/67 interworking?
Is the 7 separate now?
Also does anyone know why PB are short of buses?
Quote from: Sayeed on August 04, 2017, 09:13:01 PM
Don't they go through checks during school holidays?
I would think buses are checked year around plus with Summer PVR now in effect, they should have a fair few extra vehicles lying around. If any vehicles are checks are happening then I must presume why this isn't affecting the other garages as much ?
1907 has gained a rear ad, its on the 65/67 today.
Quote from: 2206 on August 05, 2017, 06:23:30 PM
1907 has gained a rear ad, its on the 65/67 today.
It's been on for a few months, was on at Yardley Wood
Quote from: Tony on August 05, 2017, 06:44:20 PM
It's been on for a few months, was on at Yardley Wood
Thanks for the info
@Tony. Didn't know that, its the first time i've seen it, sorry.
Our trap fitted vehicles have had this green sticker added to the rear
4278 - 33
4799 - 33
Must be some branded E400's off the road.
Quote from: Jack B on August 15, 2017, 11:06:57 AM
4278 - 33
4799 - 33
Must be some branded E400's off the road.
One was at WB for MOT
4283 - 33
Quote from: WB Driver on August 15, 2017, 08:53:34 PM
One was at WB for MOT
I wonder if some of PB's have caught the same diagnosis as WA's '61' plates had in June. Meaning Walsall has to put Tridents on the 51, as most of their E40D's wouldn't start up.
Haven't seen this mentioned on here.
"We are bringing in a £12 weekly ticket valid for use on services 65, 66, 67, X3, X4, X5 & X14 from Friday 7th July 2017 until the works are finished."
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/a38-aston-expressway-summer-restrictions-from-friday-7th-july-2017
Quote from: 2206 on August 17, 2017, 03:20:39 PM
Haven't seen this mentioned on here.
"We are bringing in a £12 weekly ticket valid for use on services 65, 66, 67, X3, X4, X5 & X14 from Friday 7th July 2017 until the works are finished."
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/a38-aston-expressway-summer-restrictions-from-friday-7th-july-2017
Wow they kept that quiet
I knew about it and I'm in London
4493 and 4829 are on the 33.
4286 - 33
4280 has had a new Mega-rear AD. Was brightly coloured. It was on either 65/67, as I was going past on 6811.
4689 - 33
I saw an omnicity by West Brom bus station about 9:50. Any ideas what it was doing?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 31, 2017, 01:35:37 PM
I saw an omnicity by West Brom bus station about 9:50. Any ideas what it was doing?
More than likely an MoT
4483 is on the 33 today
4484 on the X4/5
I was impressed by the dual branding for the 7 and 28 I saw on a bus shelter by the college Rd library I saw today.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 03, 2017, 11:10:28 PM
I was impressed by the dual branding for the 7 and 28 I saw on a bus shelter by the college Rd library I saw today.
Most if not all bus stops the 7 serve have the number on the flag highligted in purple. Looks really good!
Quote from: Jack on September 03, 2017, 11:13:21 PM
Most if not all bus stops the 7 serve have the number on the flag highligted in purple. Looks really good!
Agreed it does stand out, I quite like how the purple matches with the crimson on the buses branded for the 7
Quote from: Jack on September 03, 2017, 11:13:21 PM
Most if not all bus stops the 7 serve have the number on the flag highligted in purple. Looks really good!
Quote from: Lukeee on September 03, 2017, 11:15:18 PM
Agreed it does stand out, I quite like how the purple matches with the crimson on the buses branded for the 7
For a very short while, I recall the flag on the Old Snow Hill/Summer Lane (citybound) shelter being colour coded for the routes serving that stop; excluding the 46. Purple for the 7, obviously - then there was orange for the 16, and (a different shade) of blue for the 74, and 75 iirc; prior to its withdrawal, though I am uncertain.
Nevertheless, it is not there anymore, as it's since been replaced by the standard black flags; like those you'd find in the City Centre.
Quote from: Lukeee on September 03, 2017, 11:15:18 PM
Agreed it does stand out, I quite like how the purple matches with the crimson on the buses branded for the 7
Purple is the best branding colour in my opinion. The 7, 80 branded are really good. 7 being my favourite Branding and the former 71/72 and 126 branding.
Quote from: CL on September 03, 2017, 11:27:12 PM
For a very short while, I recall the flag on the Old Snow Hill/Summer Lane (citybound) shelter being colour coded for the routes serving that stop; excluding the 46. Purple for the 7, obviously - then there was orange for the 16, and (a different shade) of blue for the 74, and 75 iirc; prior to its withdrawal, though I am uncertain.
Nevertheless, it is not there anymore, as it's since been replaced by the standard black flags; like those you'd find in the City Centre.
When the 7 crosses with routes that are Branded then they'll have the colour coding. The Rodway Close Stop by Aston Six Ways outbound. Would have the 7 in purple and 51 in blue. Weirdly the 33 doesn't have green, and the 52/A aren't branded so they remain in the standard blue alongside the 33.
4488 & 4495 - 33
On the other hand 94 65/ 67 still gets the crap and no branding etc even after a review
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 04, 2017, 11:10:55 PM
On the other hand 94 65/ 67 still gets the crap and no branding etc even after a review
What's that meant to mean? The 65/67/94 get Crimson Gemini's which are really smart, the red/whites still look presentable. They probably won't brand them until they're finished. The 65/67 has E400's and Omnicitys on it every other day. TBH the ALX400 B7TL's (shoeboxes, as you tend to call them) are mainly put onto the 65/67 anyway, the spares get put onto the 94, so you don't need to moan about the 94 not getting an investment, or the 14 which still hasn't had any branded Tridents yet.
Quote from: Jack on September 04, 2017, 11:17:44 PM
What's that meant to mean? The 65/67/94 get Crimson Gemini's which are really smart, the red/whites still look presentable. They probably won't brand them until they're finished. The 65/67 has E400's and Omnicitys on it every other day. TBH the ALX400 B7TL's (shoeboxes, as you tend to call them) are mainly put onto the 65/67 anyway, the spares get put onto the 94, so you don't need to moan about the 94 not getting an investment, or the 14 which still hasn't had any branded Tridents yet.
The 65/67 get E400 on there everyday
@Jack
Quote from: 2206 on September 04, 2017, 11:28:51 PM
The 65/67 get E400 on there everyday @Jack
I don't see the 65/67 everyday and I don't see them as much as I did, but everytime I'm in town, I see one on them.
4226 is on 67s again today if anyone wants it
4486 on X14
4800 on Suttons
4483/4499 - 33
Not sure how common Geminis are on 16 on Sundays but 4496/4479/4692 are all on there today
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on September 10, 2017, 04:42:07 PM
Not sure how common Geminis are on 16 on Sundays but 4496/4479/4692 are all on there today
I've seen Scania's on there as well
4226 is on the 67, for anyone who still needs it.
I have taken 731 to Perry Barr today where it can be used on the contracts that don't require ticket machine fitting
Quote from: Tony on September 19, 2017, 01:32:06 PM
I have taken 731 to Perry Barr today where it can be used on the contracts that don't require ticket machine fitting
Is it not going to West Brom now then?
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
4290 currently on the 67 one of the first Birmingham buses with the new ticket machines
731 did operate the 907A and the CG this afternoon
Quote from: Tony on September 20, 2017, 07:23:35 PM
731 did operate the 907A and the CG this afternoon
Does the 907a not require a ticket machine, it's available to the public isn't it? Is it going to be regular on there?
Is there any chance of it getting out anywhere tomorrow, or will it only be used Monday to Friday?
If there's any chance what would be the best place to find it?
Thanks.
4846 has the new ticket machine
4226 is on the 16 today, if of any interest
Quote from: CL on September 23, 2017, 03:50:14 PM
4226 is on the 16 today, if of any interest
4781 too. Rode it as well.
Quote from: Solo1 on September 23, 2017, 05:56:54 AM
4846 has the new ticket machine
1877 also has one. Just got on it on the 28 and the card reader is not working already!
1899 has had a new rear AD. Looks tacky like 1907.
4280 and 4284 have also had new rear ADs. 4280 look a right tat and 4284 looks messy.
Quote from: Jack on September 23, 2017, 05:39:28 PM
4280 and 4284 have also had new rear ADs. 4280 look a right tat and 4284 looks messy.
Those are not new
4280 is awful, still with black from the Samsung all over ad by the cab. 4284 is not too bad
Quote from: John on September 23, 2017, 06:06:41 PM
Those are not new
4280 is awful, still with black from the Samsung all over ad by the cab. 4284 is not too bad
Apologies don't seem them as much as I did and never saw them reported with new ADs. 4280 is a mess, it needs a to have TLC. 4284 isn't too bad. I've not seen 4291 since the 8th July so I have no idea what it looks like.
4148 is another state.
I'm hearing 4781 involved in a rtc any truth in this?
Quote from: Nxwm on September 24, 2017, 12:23:15 PM
I'm hearing 4781 involved in a rtc any truth in this?
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2960.msg222059#msg222059
One of the ALX400's with the new Ticket Machine and Smart Card reader is out on the 52/A. A friend has just told me.
Quote from: Jack on September 27, 2017, 04:22:55 PM
One of the ALX400's with the new Ticket Machine and Smart Card reader is out on the 52/A. A friend has just told me.
Had 4278 on 67 on Monday evening and it had the new ticket machine. I was pleasantly surprised how fast it scanned my pass.
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 27, 2017, 04:38:21 PM
Had 4278 on 67 on Monday evening and it had the new ticket machine. I was pleasantly surprised how fast it scanned my pass.
I rode 4284 on Saturday morning and already the new reader wasn't working!
1898 has a new Mega rear AD. Looks tacky putting them on Crimson Buses.
4689, another Ex Cov Gemini and 4829 are on the 33.
4810 now has its front upper deck window branding reapplied.
Are Perry Barr running the A52 amazon service again this year?
Quote from: Nxwm on October 01, 2017, 04:34:36 PM
Are Perry Barr running the A52 amazon service again this year?
No - BC are, starts tomorrow, and runs from Birmingham City Centre 4181 & 4183 are the nominated vehicles
Just seen that the timetable is now on the NX website.
5 journeys to Amazon, 7 to Birmingham City Centre. Its using the currently out of use stop on the Priory Queensway BS8
http://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/current_timetables/2017-timetables/B0A5201_10_17.pdf
Are there still special fares on the A5/A51/A52, or can you use daysavers and passes on it?
For the first time (I think) since it's transfer to Perry Barr, 4226 is actually on the 38/FD today! Where it was originally meant to be...
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 04, 2017, 08:15:55 AM
For the first time (I think) since it's transfer to Perry Barr, 4226 is actually on the 38/FD today! Where it was originally meant to be...
It was on the 38 last Friday
4226 is on the 67 if anyone wants it.
Quote from: Jack on October 07, 2017, 04:37:30 PM
4226 is on the 67 if anyone wants it.
A ex Coventry 46XX Gemini is on the X4 as well.
Quote from: 2206 on October 07, 2017, 05:19:52 PM
A ex Coventry 46XX Gemini is on the X4 as well.
4695
Quote from: Jack on October 07, 2017, 04:37:30 PM
4226 is on the 67 if anyone wants it.
And the 65
Quote from: Jack on October 07, 2017, 03:50:48 PM
4479 - 52/A
Deckers on the 52 are not noteworthy, whatever type it is
Quote from: John on October 11, 2017, 04:36:28 PM
764 has just left City on the 67. School board. Think it finishes in City on return
@John, 764 will return to Perry Barr Garage when it terminates at Castle Vale at 18:49.
Quote from: P419 EJW on October 11, 2017, 06:47:58 PM
@John, 764 will return to Perry Barr Garage when it terminates at Castle Vale at 18:49.
Thanks
@P419 EJW. Must be the other school extra that terminates in the City Centre
6796 has just left Perry Barr Garage with 52 to Birmingham on the blinds, heading towards the Boars Head...Is this actually on the 52?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 12, 2017, 08:12:58 AM
6796 has just left Perry Barr Garage with 52 to Birmingham on the blinds, heading towards the Boars Head...Is this actually on the 52?
Yes
Quote from: Tony on October 12, 2017, 08:34:19 AM
Yes
Thanks
@Tony. Managed to photograph it along with 764 (which was behind it).
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 12, 2017, 08:12:58 AM
6796 has just left Perry Barr Garage with 52 to Birmingham on the blinds, heading towards the Boars Head...Is this actually on the 52?
6820 did the 28E earlier.
Ex Cov Gemini and ALX400 are on the 33.
Quote from: Jack on October 12, 2017, 05:04:52 PM
6820 did the 28A earlier.
Ex Cov Gemini and ALX400 are on the 33.
What's the 28A?
Quote from: 2206 on October 12, 2017, 05:17:03 PM
What's the 28A?
Apologies, I meant the 28E, corrected it now.
PB 1899 / 1900 now have rear adverts for Oldswinford Hospital School, seems rather pointless to put these rear adverts on buses operating so far away from the school they are promoting!
Quote from: Jack on October 12, 2017, 05:04:52 PM
6820 did the 28E earlier.
Ex Cov Gemini and ALX400 are on the 33.
It's usually a decker as it goes into the 907 after.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on October 12, 2017, 10:26:30 PM
PB 1899 / 1900 now have rear adverts for Oldswinford Hospital School, seems rather pointless to put these rear adverts on buses operating so far away from the school they are promoting!
PB buses were specifically requested as they wanted to advertise the school in Sutton Coldfield!
Quote from: Tony on October 13, 2017, 07:55:07 AM
PB buses were specifically requested as they wanted to advertise the school in Sutton Coldfield!
Oldswinford hospital school is Stourbridge??
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 13, 2017, 08:37:30 AM
Oldswinford hospital school is Stourbridge??
And? Maybe the schools wants to attract people from Sutton Coldfield due to its excellent results, people will move house to be at the right school!
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 13, 2017, 08:37:30 AM
Oldswinford hospital school is Stourbridge??
I know where Oldswinford is thank you, as I said, the advertising agency specifically asked for buses that run in Sutton Coldfield
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 13, 2017, 09:01:16 AM
764 is on PB52/A again.
Same board by the looks of it, 12:05 at Tower Hill heading for the city
4879 is on the 16 again today, left Hockley a few moments ago citybound is anyone wants it. Card reader looks as if its broken.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 13, 2017, 07:23:28 AM
It's usually a decker as it goes into the 907 after.
I know it goes onto the 907 after (know it's a Decker aswell!), first time I've seen a Platnium do it though, usually see the Omnicitys or ALX400's on the 28E.
Has 1874 had a partial repaint? It's offside fleetnumber is positioned more higher to the cab window like 1926, the paint looks more fresh aswell.
Do we have any idea what's happening with 4781?
4779 on the 101; been a while since I saw that!
Not posting this in the Noteworthy thread, because it's happened every day for a week we might as well take it to be a thing now....
764 is on the 52/52A again today, 08:00 city centre
Quote from: Kevin on October 19, 2017, 08:08:16 AM
Not posting this in the Noteworthy thread, because it's happened every day for a week we might as well take it to be a thing now....
764 is on the 52/52A again today, 08:00 city centre
That will also answer peoples queries about 731. If there is an E200 on the 52 it means all 5 are fit for use, so 731 will be out
Quote from: Tony on October 19, 2017, 08:29:17 AM
That will also answer peoples queries about 731. If there is an E200 on the 52 it means all 5 are fit for use, so 731 will be out
Will 731 always be found on the CG and does it do the 907A as well?
Quote from: 2206 on October 19, 2017, 08:33:48 AM
Will 731 always be found on the CG and does it do the 907A as well?
I think it has only done the 907A once, It does do the Wythall contract occasionally as well though
Quote from: Tony on October 19, 2017, 08:37:20 AM
I think it has only done the 907A once, It does do the Wythall contract occasionally as well though
Thanks for the info, most appreciated.
1869 (I think), passed me in B'ham City Centre on the Priory Queensway earlier today, at about 09:50, I was quite surprised to see a 28 Branded bus in the City Centre.
It's on the 66, I think.
Quote from: 2206 on October 21, 2017, 12:13:15 PM
1869 (I think), passed me in B'ham City Centre on the Priory Queensway earlier today, at about 09:50, I was quite surprised to see a 28 Branded bus in the City Centre.
It's on the 66, I think.
Yes there is one on the 66. Passed it earlier this morning
Quote from: 2206 on October 21, 2017, 12:13:15 PM
1869 (I think), passed me in B'ham City Centre on the Priory Queensway earlier today, at about 09:50, I was quite surprised to see a 28 Branded bus in the City Centre.
It's on the 66, I think.
Whenever they stray off the 28, you are most likely to see them on the 52/A.
Quote from: John on October 21, 2017, 12:35:33 PM
Yes there is one on the 66. Passed it earlier this morning
Yes it's 1869, I saw it again later on.
Diddy 763 on the 52/A today, 08:00 One Stop heading for Booths Farm
Quote from: Kevin on October 27, 2017, 08:16:49 AM
Diddy 763 on the 52/A today, 08:00 One Stop heading for Booths Farm
Somewhat reliable Omnilinks, PB could do with a few more, to get the 46 and 52/A full SD. The 46 had goodness knows how many Deckers on it the other day!
Quote from: Jack on October 27, 2017, 08:22:14 AM
Somewhat reliable Omnilinks, PB could do with a few more, to get the 46 and 52/A full SD. The 46 had goodness knows how many Deckers on it the other day!
Yes the reliable Omnilinks, and they are as proved by Bordesley who have the fewest spare buses of any garage and the oldest average age, but can still regularly loan a spare bus to Perry Barr. Just because you see other buses on Omnilink routes doesn't mean there's a problem with them.
For example this morning with the E200. If Perry Barr have the correct number of buses for the peak boards then the fifth E200 will appear somewhere. Far better it is on an Omnilink running board, and the Omnilnk substituting for a decker, than putting the E200 on a heavily loaded board
4479 is on the 33, with 4226 having a day on the 907.
Quote from: Tony on October 27, 2017, 08:47:29 AM
Yes the reliable Omnilinks, and they are as proved by Bordesley who have the fewest spare buses of any garage and the oldest average age, but can still regularly loan a spare bus to Perry Barr. Just because you see other buses on Omnilink routes doesn't mean there's a problem with them.
For example this morning with the E200. If Perry Barr have the correct number of buses for the peak boards then the fifth E200 will appear somewhere. Far better it is on an Omnilink running board, and the Omnilnk substituting for a decker, than putting the E200 on a heavily loaded board
4692 came out later on to replace a faulty Omnilink on the 52, so I don't see why PB are mixing things up. The 907 seems to have gone to Gemini's the last few days, 4226 was the odd one out today. It felt so weird riding 4226 on the 907 again after 4 years!
The idea of putting a stumpy on the 52/52A is extremely daft, school holidays maybe because it's not as busy as normal but today was a joke, I saw 764 at least 4 times each time with a standing load, one further time I saw it was with the revenue on, even then it had a couple standees.
Quote from: Dom on November 02, 2017, 04:36:29 PM
The idea of putting a stumpy on the 52/52A is extremely daft, school holidays maybe because it's not as busy as normal but today was a joke, I saw 764 at least 4 times each time with a standing load, one further time I saw it was with the revenue on, even then it had a couple standees.
It's always busy! Though it's the same when an Omnilink gets the thrown onto the 33. Don't see why they put the spare one on the 46.
Then again the 52/A just gets lumbered with Omnilinks, of which everyone in Newtown, Perry Barr moan about them being too full.
I don't get why PB have 3 three running boards on Saturdays that are Deckers. Is there not enough Omnilinks in the garage on Saturdays?
Quote from: Jack on November 02, 2017, 04:43:31 PM
It's always busy! Though it's the same when an Omnilink gets the thrown onto the 33. Don't see why they put the spare one on the 46.
Then again the 52/A just gets lumbered with Omnilinks, of which everyone in Newtown, Perry Barr moan about them being too full.
I don't get why PB have 3 three running boards on Saturdays that are Deckers. Is there not enough Omnilinks in the garage on Saturdays?
I hardly saw a full omnilink today, all quite low after the morning peak.
Quote from: Dom on November 02, 2017, 05:11:13 PM
I hardly saw a full omnilink today, all quite low after the morning peak.
It does quite down during the day but once the schools come out they are rammed!
Quote from: Jack on November 02, 2017, 05:21:45 PM
It does quite down during the day but once the schools come out they are rammed!
Even this morning, I wouldn't say rammed, busy yes but not over crowded except for 764
Quote from: Dom on November 02, 2017, 05:28:05 PM
Even this morning, I wouldn't say rammed, busy yes but not over crowded except for 764
No, the 52 copes quite easily with Omnilinks unless there are delays on the 33/51 and I have never seen the E200 completely full even in the peaks
Quote from: Tony on November 02, 2017, 05:41:09 PM
No, the 52 copes quite easily with Omnilinks unless there are delays on the 33/51 and I have never seen the E200 completely full even in the peaks
I did this morning Tony. Several times.
Quote from: Dom on November 02, 2017, 05:53:04 PM
I did this morning Tony. Several times.
doing your new job
@Dom
Quote from: Tony on November 02, 2017, 05:41:09 PM
No, the 52 copes quite easily with Omnilinks unless there are delays on the 33/51 and I have never seen the E200 completely full even in the peaks
Have a look at the photo of 4487 on the 15th March, that's what they're like most of the time, worse!
If the 52 copes then why is there 3 Deckers on it every Saturday. Everytime I catch a Decker on it they seem to be quite full, the 52 gets the same number of people as what the 33/51 gets.
The only good thing about putting a stumpy on the 52/A is that it can get around the roundabout on Booths Farm Road, it's pretty tight in an Omnilink.
Quote from: Jack on November 02, 2017, 07:28:39 PM
Have a look at the photo of 4487 on the 15th March, that's what they're like most of the time, worse!
If the 52 copes then why is there 3 Deckers on it every Saturday. Everytime I catch a Decker on it they seem to be quite full, the 52 gets the same number of people as what the 33/51 gets.
The only good thing about putting a stumpy on the 52/A is that it can get around the roundabout on Booths Farm Road, it's pretty tight in an Omnilink.
They're not like that 'most of the time' Dom was surveying them today, I bet they never counted more than 43 on a bus. Our commercial department have the actual figures, not what someone happens to see once or twice when the 51 happens to be screwed
Quote from: Tony on November 02, 2017, 07:38:32 PM
They're not like that 'most of the time' Dom was surveying them today, I bet they never counted more than 43 on a bus. Our commercial department have the actual figures, not what someone happens to see once or twice when the 51 happens to be screwed
I've been on many buses on the 52 to see what it's like. Back when it was Deckers the whole lower deck could be full, whether the 51 was screwed or not. The reason it probably doesn't get that much now is because it's Omnilinks and people prefer Double Deckers. I've seen many people hop off and jump onto a 33/51. But they're all just as busy as each other, that's my experience. When the 52 came back 2 years ago, people said it wouldn't cope with being fully SD, that's why the Deckers came back.
Quote from: Jack on November 02, 2017, 07:42:53 PM
I've been on many buses on the 52 to see what it's like. Back when it was Deckers the whole lower deck could be full, whether the 51 was screwed or not. The reason it probably doesn't get that much now is because it's Omnilinks and people prefer Double Deckers. I've seen many people hop off and jump onto a 33/51. But they're all just as busy as each other, that's my experience. When the 52 came back 2 years ago, people said it wouldn't cope with being fully SD, that's why the Deckers came back.
People don't prefer deckers over single deckers, to passengers a bus is a bus as long as they get a seat then they don't care.
The only people I see letting empty single deckers go past for a decker are the people who think its fine to smoke on a bus as long as it's at the back of the top deck, something I've heard quite a few times, once someone lit a ciggerate at the back of a 37 and a group of other passengers told them to put it away as it was a single decker, they were saying its fine "as long as it's a double decker and at the back of the top deck"
Quote from: 2206 on November 02, 2017, 07:53:46 PM
People don't prefer deckers over single deckers, to passengers a bus is a bus as long as they get a seat then they don't care.
The only people I see letting empty single deckers go past for a decker are the people who think its fine to smoke at the back of the top deck.
I see them swapping off them all the time. When the 6/37 stopped on Carrs Lane, you would see people getting off and running for a Decker on the 2/3/5/31.
Quote from: Jack on November 02, 2017, 07:42:53 PM
I've been on many buses on the 52 to see what it's like. Back when it was Deckers the whole lower deck could be full, whether the 51 was screwed or not. The reason it probably doesn't get that much now is because it's Omnilinks and people prefer Double Deckers. I've seen many people hop off and jump onto a 33/51. But they're all just as busy as each other, that's my experience. When the 52 came back 2 years ago, people said it wouldn't cope with being fully SD, that's why the Deckers came back.
When the 52 came back it was allocated 4 doubles and four singles because it was the route that didn't matter whether it was double or single. There was no particular running boards allocated the double decks. It obviously varied some days depending on the availability of different bus types. Most people that normally head from a half empty single deck to a half empty double deck are the people those remaining on the single deck are glad they did
Quote from: Tony on November 02, 2017, 08:02:34 PM
When the 52 came back it was allocated 4 doubles and four singles because it was the route that didn't matter whether it was double or single. There was no particular running boards allocated the double decks. It obviously varied some days depending on the availability of different bus types. Most people that normally head from a half empty single deck to a half empty double deck are the people those remaining on the single deck are glad they did
Most of the time it was just 2 Omnilinks of which it was fine with. Though the Omnilinks were put on the quieter boards. If PB have enough Omnilinks then I see no excuse of why they chuck Deckers on the 52 on Saturdays, unless there's more spare Deckers sitting in the garage, but Saturdays carry less. When riding 4289 last Saturday, it was carrying no more than 7 people. So I'm not sure why PB can't put Deckers on it during the week days. A stumpy would cope with this!
Quote from: Jack on November 02, 2017, 08:09:40 PM
Most of the time it was just 2 Omnilinks of which it was fine with. Though the Omnilinks were put on the quieter boards. If PB have enough Omnilinks then I see no excuse of why they chuck Deckers on the 52 on Saturdays, unless there's more spare Deckers sitting in the garage, but Saturdays carry less. When riding 4289 last Saturday, it was carrying no more than 7 people. So I'm not sure why PB can't put Deckers on it during the week days. A stumpy would cope with this!
because you don't know the logistics of running a bus garage or company
Quote from: Tony on November 02, 2017, 08:02:34 PM
Most people that normally head from a half empty single deck to a half empty double deck are the people those remaining on the single deck are glad they did
I like how you've worded that Tony. You've insulted the riff raff, smoothly haha
Quote from: Tony on November 02, 2017, 07:38:32 PM
They're not like that 'most of the time' Dom was surveying them today, I bet they never counted more than 43 on a bus. Our commercial department have the actual figures, not what someone happens to see once or twice when the 51 happens to be screwed
Actually I did, around 8am, can’t remeber precisely the time, 764 came through. Fully seated, 28 on an SWB E200, with minimum 10-15 standing.
Also just a side note we were there from 6:50, so all through the morning peak.
Quote from: Tony on November 02, 2017, 08:38:39 PM
because you don't know the logistics of running a bus garage or company
No I don't. Platinums on the 7, stumpys on the 52/A. What's next? An E200 on the 94? That would be hilarious.
Quote from: Jack on November 02, 2017, 09:10:07 PM
No I don't. Platinums on the 7, stumpys on the 52/A. What's next? An E200 on the 94? That would be hilarious.
I think double decks are needed for school boards Monday Friday that's probably why there's more single deck use during the week then on Saturday.
764 - 52/A (this ones just come off the staff bus).
Quote from: Jack on November 02, 2017, 09:10:07 PM
No I don't. Platinums on the 7, stumpys on the 52/A. What's next? An E200 on the 94? That would be hilarious.
Back in 1996/7 the 94 saw a couple of very rare workings by MCW Metrorider. 23 seats! That was afternoon peak too.
Two visitors today at Perry Barr garage, AG based "Platinum" 6703 and a YW 50 branded 61xx (couldn't get close enough to get the fleet number).
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 04, 2017, 03:07:39 PM
Two visitors today at Perry Barr garage, AG based "Platinum" 6703 and a YW 50 branded 61xx (couldn't get close enough to get the fleet number).
6141 I think
4486? - 33
@ChrisMcCarthy Omnicitys are common on the 7.
Quote from: Jack on November 06, 2017, 01:23:30 PM
@ChrisMcCarthy Omnicitys are common on the 7.
Not according to the spreadsheet.
The Omnicitys don't have an allocated route anymore so they are common on most standard Decker routes. Bar the 33, 94 and 101.
Quote from: Jack on November 06, 2017, 08:35:38 PM
The Omnicitys don't have an allocated route anymore so they are common on standard Decker routes.
Isn't the 907 allocated them?
Quote from: 2206 on November 06, 2017, 08:40:22 PM
Isn't the 907 allocated them?
They're not common on all standard decker routes. The 94 never gets them, the 94 is just Gemini and a few B7TL ALX400 and E400 plus Platinums on Sundays.
I said they don't have an allocated route, meaning they go on a lot of PB's Decker routes. The 907 is every Decker.
Quote from: 2206 on November 06, 2017, 08:40:22 PM
Isn't the 907 not allocated them anymore?
There's only 4 left now isn't there?
4. 4781 withdrawn
They are not common on the 7. 65/67/907 are most likely whey they are. Two were on the 67 today
Quote from: John on November 06, 2017, 08:45:48 PM
4. 4781 withdrawn
Was it that bad? Shame to hear it's gone. Will it's name be transferred to another PB vehicle?
Quote from: John on November 06, 2017, 08:45:48 PM
4. 4781 withdrawn
They are not common on the 7. 65/67/907 are most likely whey they are. Two were on the 67 today
I always see them on the 16 on Saturdays. Tbh I see them everywhere.
Quote from: John on November 06, 2017, 08:45:48 PM
4. 4781 withdrawn
They are not common on the 7. 65/67/907 are most likely whey they are. Two were on the 67 today
Do you know why it's been withdrawn and what's going to happen to it?
@JohnIs that the one that was involved in a accident while on the 16.
Quote from: 2206 on November 06, 2017, 08:48:47 PM
Do you know why it's been withdrawn and what's going to happen to it? @John
It had an RTC in Hamstead on the 16 a few weeks back.
Of course NX had to take an Omnicity off the road, atleast 4779 is still going!
Quote from: Jack on November 06, 2017, 08:50:36 PM
It had an RTC in Hamstead on the 16 a few weeks back.
Thanks for the info.
Quote from: Jack on November 06, 2017, 08:46:48 PM
Was it that bad? Shame to hear it's gone. Will it's name be transferred to another PB vehicle?
Lets just say it does not have a front platform anymore, cab pretty much destroyed. Really lucky no-one was standing on the platform waiting to get off
I would think the name would get transferred
4779 on the 101
Quote from: CL on November 09, 2017, 03:10:44 PM
4779 on the 101
That's more noteworthy. You don't see them very often on the 101.
4226 is on the 28E which will do 16:10 departure off city on 907. As this is the only bus without a trap on it, will NX be getting fined?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on November 09, 2017, 06:42:36 PM
4226 is on the 28E which will do 16:10 departure off city on 907. As this is the only bus without a trap on it, will NX be getting fined?
It's gets thrown onto any route that sees the ALX400's, don't really think PB care. It's 'meant' to be used on the 38 which is seems to not like and will get thrown onto the City routes. If PB are short of compliant Deckers then fair enough. I still think it should be trapped, though it was temporary while PB's fleet were getting new ticket machines, guessing it's on borrowed time at PB?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on November 09, 2017, 06:42:36 PM
4226 is on the 28E which will do 16:10 departure off city on 907. As this is the only bus without a trap on it, will NX be getting fined?
Pretty sure the rules allow for occasional use of non-compliant vehicles, but I could be wrong.
4690,4691 and 4800 are on the 33.
Quote from: MasterPlan on November 12, 2017, 12:24:11 PM
And the 7.
Quote from: John on November 06, 2017, 08:45:48 PM
They are not common on the 7. 65/67/907 are most likely whey they are. Two were on the 67 today
@John has already said earlier this week, that the Omnicity aren't common on the 7.
Or do you mean the Gemini?
7022 and 7024 today's 96s, so maybe the E200s on Sunday was just as a trial
-- Edit --
Did see a diddy 76x on there later
Quote from: 2206 on November 12, 2017, 12:39:41 PM
@John has already said earlier this week, that the Omnicity aren't common on the 7.
Or do you mean the Gemini?
Gemini's are common on the 7. The Omnicitys appear every now and again on the 7.
4799 is on the 33.
It is a 1st generation
MK1 Enviro400s are on the 33 all the time. Same as the MK2s on the 16
Any idea what's happening with 4781?
Quote from: Nxwm on November 17, 2017, 01:28:24 PM
Any idea what's happening with 4781?
It's withdrawn. Apparently it's dumped at the back of PB.
Quote from: Jack on November 17, 2017, 04:01:57 PM
It's withdrawn. Apparently it's dumped at the back of PB.
Great 1 down, 4 to go ....... please !
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 17, 2017, 07:09:18 PM
Great 1 down, 4 to go ....... please !
What's so bad about them? I've never managed to catch one so I don't know myself, but they do look nice and well designed.
Quote from: DJ98 on November 17, 2017, 07:33:31 PM
What's so bad about them? I've never managed to catch one so I don't know myself, but they do look nice and well designed.
In terms of comfort I'd pick a Platinum first, then a Enviro or MMC, then Alexander or Gemini Volvo. The Scania's are not very comfortable
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 17, 2017, 07:42:06 PM
In terms of comfort I'd pick a Platinum first, then a Enviro or MMC, then Alexander or Gemini Volvo. The Scania's are not very comfortable
True, I wouldn't consider the OmniLink's that comfortable either, I much prefer when a B7RLE turns up on the WA11/13. I do love how they look though, Scania really did a great job with the designs of their buses.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 17, 2017, 07:09:18 PM
Great 1 down, 4 to go ....... please !
Hopefully the last 4 remain for another few years. They are good buses, it's the legroom that's not great but way better then a Platnium or E400. They can fly down roads!
4479 is on the 33.
4493 - 33
Quote from: John on November 19, 2017, 03:20:29 PM
Happens regularly over the weekend
I was going to say. 4489 is doing the Sunday 52 (not 52A). I know the Gemini's are common but Sundays are normally SD. First Decker I've seen on a Sunday since the end of last year.
Gemini's on the 33 happen most days?
@John
Quote from: Jack D on November 19, 2017, 08:54:21 PM
763 on 96E unusual for E200 to be on 96
Not unusual.
It's been happening every Sunday.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 17, 2017, 07:09:18 PM
Great 1 down, 4 to go ....... please !
Each to their own, but I love these quirky, rare buses. If it were up to me, the bland faceless grey porridge Tridents would be extinct. Fortunately we don't have any on Sutton routes except the occasional 366 or 377 interloper from Walsall.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on November 20, 2017, 11:42:30 AM
Each to their own, but I love these quirky, rare buses. If it were up to me, the bland faceless grey porridge Tridents would be extinct. Fortunately we don't have any on Sutton routes except the occasional 366 or 377 interloper from Walsall.
I love them as well, better than any MK1 E400. It's the legroom that is their downfall, but other than that they can fly down roads. 4779 is the best!
Has 4291 got a new engine, it is sounding a bit strange on the 16 today...
The 33 seems to be mostly Gemini operated today, with at least four out of six buses being Gemini's. So far I've seen 4696, 4691, 4694 and 4494.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 26, 2017, 06:39:17 PM
The 33 seems to be mostly Gemini operated today, with at least four out of six buses being Gemini's. So far I've seen 4696, 4691, 4694 and 4494.
Like the good old days of the 33 being full Gemini operation. I do miss the 'Line 33' branding on the Gemini's, and them blasting their fans around tight roads like Lambeth Road/Warren Farm Road etc. The 33 is a good route for Gemini thrash!
Quote from: Jack on November 26, 2017, 06:42:17 PM
Like the good old days of the 33 being full Gemini operation. I do miss the 'Line 33' branding on the Gemini's, and them blasting their fans around tight roads like Lambeth Road/Warren Farm Road etc. The 33 is a good route for Gemini thrash!
The only route for that now is the 11, and the occasional Outer Circle Gemini's that stray off route and end up on the 5/31. They still have the blaring cooling fans.
The perry common section of the 65 can be quite good for this also
Quote from: MW on November 27, 2017, 12:07:05 AM
The only route for that now is the 11, and the occasional Outer Circle Gemini's that stray off route and end up on the 5/31. They still have the blaring cooling fans.
The Crimsons still blast their fans around, 4489 and 4504 are blasting them and 4503.
Quote from: Lukeee on November 27, 2017, 10:28:45 AM
The perry common section of the 65 can be quite good for this also
I've always preferred the 7 over the 65 for many reasons. The 7 is longer but a more interesting route and nice route. Mixture of ALX400's, Gemini's and E400s. The 65 in my opinion is a more boring straight lined route. The 67 isn't too bad,
Quote from: Jack on November 27, 2017, 03:41:18 PM
The Crimsons still blast their fans around, 4489 and 4504 are blasting them and 4503.
The crimson Geminis all have the new electric fans fitted, so you cannot hear the hydraulic pump blasting away like you can on an unmodified Volvo
Quote from: Tony on November 27, 2017, 03:47:45 PM
The crimson Geminis all have the new electric fans fitted, so you cannot hear the hydraulic pump blasting away like you can on an unmodified Volvo
4489 was doing it last week. Shame they have the boring fans fitted, just makes them boring. 4508 is still on my 'to ride' list!
Will have to hunt 4482 as well before it goes for Crimsoning, that's the only red/white Gemini left at PB that blasts its Cooling Fans.
Quote from: Jack on November 27, 2017, 03:49:44 PM
4489 was doing it last week. Shame they have the boring fans fitted, just makes them boring. 4508 is still on my 'to ride' list!
Will have to hunt 4482 as well before it goes for Crimsoning, that's the only red/white Gemini left at PB that blasts its Cooling Fans.
You'll like 4508. It's one of my favourites to drive
Quote from: MW on November 27, 2017, 03:55:40 PM
You'll like 4508. It's one of my favourites to drive
Lol, I asked an 11 driver about 4508 and said it's horrible to drive, horrible brakes. He did say 4512 is a good one. 4512 is just a big shed on wheels, everything about it is slow.
Quote from: Jack on November 27, 2017, 03:57:27 PM
Lol, I asked an 11 driver about 4508 and said it's horrible to drive, horrible brakes. He did say 4512 is a good one. 4512 is just a big shed on wheels, everything about it is slow.
Bloody hell really? I drove it two years ago so it must have gone downhill since then. I loved it. Infact everything was fresh on it when I drove it. It had a new steering wheel fitted to it when I drove it. 4511 was a slow on. 4512 doesn't ring any bells, but obviously it's been two years in December since I was driving for NXWM
Quote from: MW on November 27, 2017, 04:05:07 PM
Bloody hell really? I drove it two years ago so it must have gone downhill since then. I loved it. Infact everything was fresh on it when I drove it. It had a new steering wheel fitted to it when I drove it. 4511 was a slow on. 4512 doesn't ring any bells, but obviously it's been two years in December since I was driving for NXWM
4523 is my favourite 45** 11 Branded. In fact 4515 is the shed of that batch, that one at PB was criticised by the drivers and AG drivers seem the same. The 5 and 31 will always be my favourite routes, don't mind riding them on the 1 or 37 either. Though the 5 and 31 go through nice areas and tight roads. Monkspath, Newborough Road, Kedleston Road, Springfield and Bradford Street. The 31 isn't bad, Gospel Oak isn't the greatest but it's better than others. Pitmaston Road, Severne Road, Westley Road and Shaftmoor Lane (which you can fly down!) I miss the Presidents on the 31 and 37.
Quote from: Jack on November 27, 2017, 05:35:26 PM
4523 is my favourite 45** 11 Branded. In fact 4515 is the shed of that batch, that one at PB was criticised by the drivers and AG drivers seem the same. The 5 and 31 will always be my favourite routes, don't mind riding them on the 1 or 37 either. Though the 5 and 31 go through nice areas and tight roads. Monkspath, Newborough Road, Kedleston Road, Springfield and Bradford Street. The 31 isn't bad, Gospel Oak isn't the greatest but it's better than others. Pitmaston Road, Severne Road, Westley Road and Shaftmoor Lane (which you can fly down!) I miss the Presidents on the 31 and 37.
People are going to start complaining that this is off topic soon 😂
Shaftmoor Lane outbound is awesome if there's nobody getting on or off the first stop. With kickdown, the gearbox will hold in fourth gear at just under 30MPH. It won't change up at that incline and will stay at the same speed. When you next stop, the bus will idle and then as soon as you touch the accelerator, you'll hear the cooling fans start spinning up and then it'll roar. I'm guessing you're talking about Shaftmoor Lane inbound, which is equally as fun providing you're not on time or early and have to wait at the timing point at Stratford Road/College Arms.
When you want to go downhill (I used to do this at Marsh Hill & Bournville towards Cotteridge.) Floor it until you get to that same point, just under 30 in fourth gear and time it so as you start declining down the hill, let go of the accelerator and don't touch the brake. It'll hold the bus at just under 30. The bus won't speed up even though you're going downhill because it can't rev anymore without changing up, and it won't change up because you're not near the accelerator. The howling the gearbox does at this point is magical.
They're like instruments, these ZF B7TLs. Sorry if all this sounds nerdy to anyone 😂
Quote from: MW on November 27, 2017, 04:05:07 PM
Bloody hell really? I drove it two years ago so it must have gone downhill since then. I loved it. Infact everything was fresh on it when I drove it. It had a new steering wheel fitted to it when I drove it. 4511 was a slow on. 4512 doesn't ring any bells, but obviously it's been two years in December since I was driving for NXWM
4512 is one of my favourites when it was at WB, 4525 & 4526 too. Haven't been on ex-PB 4515 & 4516
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 27, 2017, 09:59:56 PM
4512 is one of my favourites when it was at WB, 4525 & 4526 too. Haven't been on ex-PB 4515 & 4516
4525 is a good on, only bad thing about 4526 is it has no kickdown, 4531 is a lovely example of a Gemini.
Quote from: Jack on November 27, 2017, 10:19:31 PM
4525 is a good on, only bad thing about 4526 is it has no kickdown, 4531 is a lovely example of a Gemini.
4525 doesn't have kickdown either, or at least it didn't when I drove it
Quote from: Jack on November 27, 2017, 03:41:18 PM
The Crimsons still blast their fans around, 4489 and 4504 are blasting them and 4503.
I've always preferred the 7 over the 65 for many reasons. The 7 is longer but a more interesting route and nice route. Mixture of ALX400's, Gemini's and E400s. The 65 in my opinion is a more boring straight lined route. The 67 isn't too bad,
The 7 is a good route and my local route, just avoid it on villa home days
Quote from: Lukeee on November 29, 2017, 11:16:04 PM
The 7 is a good route and my local route, just avoid it on villa home days
I do enjoy riding the 7 a lot. I tend to avoid the 7 and 11 when Villa are playing. Nicer route than the 65, which in my opinion, is quite boring.
761 on the 96 today. Just leaving Chelmsley Wood
763 was doing laps up and down Hassop Road earlier today at 15:10. It had 'NIS' on its display and was definitely not in service.
4778 on the 94 this morning past the Hunters Moon coming from town at 10:35
Do you know what 4478 was doing, parked at the 11A stop at the Fox and Goose on Bromford Lane
@Tony at about 16:00, had a rear exterior pannel missing as well? You don't usualy see PB buses on Bromford Lane.
Quote from: 2206 on December 14, 2017, 07:35:21 PM
Do you know what 4478 was doing, parked at the 11A stop at the Fox and Goose on Bromford Lane @Tony at about 16:00, had a rear exterior pannel missing as well? You don't usualy see PB buses on Bromford Lane.
on its way to sodor with Bertie the bus
4281 - 33
That and 4289 are on 33 as well as a Gemini. Quite odd on a Saturday
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on December 16, 2017, 04:19:35 PM
That and 4289 are on 33 as well as a Gemini. Quite odd on a Saturday
Not really Gemini's and ALX400's are common. 4779 is also on the 33.
Quote from: John on December 22, 2017, 02:27:29 PM
Not noteworthy at all
It's not an everyday thing. The last one I saw was last Saturday which was 763. Quite annoying having them on the 52/A.
Quote from: Jack on December 22, 2017, 03:09:57 PM
It's not an everyday thing. The last one I saw was last Saturday which was 763. Quite annoying having them on the 52/A.
It near enough is an everyday thing. There was one on Wednesday.
Quote from: Dom on December 22, 2017, 03:16:41 PM
It near enough is an everyday thing. There was one on Wednesday.
I'll no longer post it in future then. Horrible little things.
7033 on the 71 met 7024 on the 71 and an Arriva 110 on Riland Road in Sutton at about 11:00 today, where they were all stuck for a few minutes, 7033 had to reverse out. Stuck because there were parked cars on either side.
Quote from: 2206 on December 22, 2017, 04:21:58 PM
7033 on the 71 met 7024 on the 71 and an Arriva 110 on Riland Road in Sutton at about 11:00 today, where they were all stuck for a few minutes, 7033 had to reverse out. Stuck because there were parked cars on either side.
Riland Road is just too tight. Buses have been getting stuck there for years.
I've always thought Riland Road should be made into a one way street in the direction the buses use from Sutton. Have all traffic use Rectory Road up the hill to Coleshill Street. Awful road to get two buses meeting and the parking is ridiculous
Quote from: John on December 22, 2017, 04:50:57 PM
I've always thought Riland Road should be made into a one way street in the direction the buses use from Sutton. Have all traffic use Rectory Road up the hill to Coleshill Street. Awful road to get two buses meeting and the parking is ridiculous
The bus stops are poorly placed as well.
4289 has now got the all over Red Bull advert, same one as 4879 hiding its tatty paintwork
Quote from: Tony on January 10, 2018, 09:13:42 PM
4289 has now got the all over Red Bull advert, same one as 4879 hiding its tatty paintwork
No doubt then charge the company due to any damage incurred by the advert as previously done
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 10, 2018, 09:21:09 PM
No doubt then charge the company due to any damage incurred by the advert as previously done
No. The advert company photograph the buses before they put adverts on. They know what damage they cause. By nominating this bus for them it actually saves them the risk of charges as it needs a repaint anyway
does anyone know why 6866 was on a 907 service heading out of Sutton on Thursday afternoon?. (11th)... definitely ..67 WXF presumably on loan?
Quote from: windy miller on January 12, 2018, 03:43:45 AM
does anyone know why 6866 was on a 907 service heading out of Sutton on Thursday afternoon?. (11th)... definitely ..67 WXF presumably on loan?
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=16.msg228239#msg228239
thanks stu... I thought it was a one-off...
Just heard perry barr garage has been compulsory purchased by the council for the commonwealth games & will close before the end of this year
Quote from: Steveminor on January 22, 2018, 12:36:24 PM
Just heard perry barr garage has been compulsory purchased by the council for the commonwealth games & will close before the end of this year
We were officially told this morning, but the rumours were floating around last week. It will take around 2 years to build the new garage. It sounds like a new site has been chosen but we won't know where until the summer. We were hearing last week that we had to be out this year so if this is true, I'm wondering what will happen before the new garage is built
Quote from: John on January 22, 2018, 01:12:28 PM
We were officially told this morning, but the rumours were floating around last week. It will take around 2 years to build the new garage. It sounds like a new site has been chosen but we won't know where until the summer. We were hearing last week that we had to be out this year so if this is true, I'm wondering what will happen before the new garage is built
Doesn't give NX long to find alternative arrangements.
That said, there's a large yard virtually empty at PN garage, could move WB Dudley based routes to PN & WB take over some PB's work in the interim at least
Was Lea Hall sold, or do NX still own it?
Quote from: MW on January 22, 2018, 01:47:09 PM
Was Lea Hall sold, or do NX still own it?
It was sold IIRC when NX Group needed cash, then NX rented half of the depot & the outside parking area for reserve fleet.
Quote from: Winston on January 22, 2018, 01:48:23 PM
It was sold IIRC when NX Group needed cash, then NX rented half of the depot & the outside parking area for reserve fleet.
I wonder if they're able to repurchase it, providing it's not had much work done and is relatively simple to reinstate as a depot.
You could then send all the East Birmingham stuff (14/17/55/71/72/94/97/X12) Lea Hall. You could even free up space in AG, by sending the X12/72 over to LH. AG could then take the Coventry Road stuff out of BC. This would free up a lot of space at BC to take in pretty much everything else out of PB. BY could gain the 28/38/54 by freeing up the 17/55 to LH.
Theres been a long rumour BC is to close too due to the new tram route. So they may possibly combine the two?
Quote from: B.C Driver on January 22, 2018, 02:34:14 PM
Theres been a long rumour BC is to close too due to the new tram route. So they may possibly combine the two?
BC's Adderley Street Bus Park forms the site of the proposal Adderley St Park & Ride Metro Stop as/when that goes ahead.
Quote from: MW on January 22, 2018, 01:57:29 PM
I wonder if they're able to repurchase it, providing it's not had much work done and is relatively simple to reinstate as a depot.
You could then send all the East Birmingham stuff (14/17/55/71/72/94/97/X12) Lea Hall. You could even free up space in AG, by sending the X12/72 over to LH. AG could then take the Coventry Road stuff out of BC. This would free up a lot of space at BC to take in pretty much everything else out of PB. BY could gain the 28/38/54 by freeing up the 17/55 to LH.
96 as well.
I can't see the 97 leaving BC at its practically on the door step.
Could the 16 go to WB? It was there for a short while...
IF BC and PB merge into a new garage ideally it would be inbetween where PB and BC are now. The closer to City the more ideal.
Quote from: B.C Driver on January 22, 2018, 05:49:12 PM
I can't see the 97 leaving BC at its practically on the door step.
Could the 16 go to WB? It was there for a short while...
IF BC and PB merge into a new garage ideally it would be inbetween where PB and BC are now. The closer to City the more ideal.
I seem to remember at one point in the past, the 16 was going to transfer to WB.
I can't see Lea Hall being repurchased/re-opened as an operational depot, fully covered depots are too expensive to run & maintain, plus it is too small.
Quote from: Winston on January 22, 2018, 06:00:19 PM
I seem to remember at one point in the past, the 16 was going to transfer to WB.
I'm pretty sure WB did operate the 16 for a short while, was it immediately after HY closed? It soon moved to PB.
Would some routes be changed for operational reasons, for example, if Nx built a super depot on the outskirts of North East Brum?
When Dudley & Harts Hill was shut, you got extended routes between Wolves & Merry Hill & Walsall & Stourbridge for example.
Quote from: Mike K on January 22, 2018, 06:18:37 PM
I'm pretty sure WB did operate the 16 for a short while, was it immediately after HY closed? It soon moved to PB.
I thought that, I vaguely recall the 16 having been WB for a short time before then moving on to PB, my memory banks are faulty thou....
Quote from: Mike K on January 22, 2018, 06:18:37 PM
I'm pretty sure WB did operate the 16 for a short while, was it immediately after HY closed? It soon moved to PB.
Yeah. The route and the branded ALX400s moved to WB in 2005. Not soon after, the 16 moved over to PB but I'm pretty sure the ALX400s stayed at WB.
It was then rumoured years later that the 16 would move back to WB, which is what I reckon Winston is referring to.
Yeah looking at the vehicle moves,
4265-4278 moved over to WB upon closure in June 2005. All bar 4274 moved to PB in May 2006. So the ALX400s did move. I remember seeing former 16 branded ALX400s on the 74 around 2006-2007, as you could always see the markings on the livery. The ex Sutton Lines ones were also shoddily debranded I remember.
Anyways, the route must have been at WB for those 12 months, and then to PB.
Third reply, I'm sorry.
Okay looking at it all again, it were ex Sutton Line branded ALX400s I would see on the Soho Road back in 2006ish. It appears that 4290-4299 (originally new to Perry Barr for Sutton Lines) moved over to Hockley in 2003. This must have been due to the arrival of 4475-4516. When Hockley closed in 2005, 4265-4278 & 4290-4299 moved from Hockley to West Bromwich. Then, in 2006, 4265-4278 (bar 4274) moved from WB to PB with the 16.
4290-4299 were the shoddy ones I must be thinking off. From what I can remember, the 42xx have always looked shoddy in appearance!
Another idea is to resurrect Miller St as an operational garage. Not sure how much it could hold but it would be ideal for the 7, 33, 52, 65, 67. This would of course mean the scrap buses would have to move elsewhere and possibly the training buses too.
The X70 could move from BC to AG freeing up space for ex PB routes at BC. BC already has a bit of room after loosing 58, 59 and 73 and having no replacements.
Just leaves the remaining PB routes to sort out! 😃
How many buses park in the bus park over the rd from the main depot
Quote from: Solo1 on January 22, 2018, 07:13:43 PM
How many buses park in the bus park over the rd from the main depot
Are you referring to BC?
Quote from: B.C Driver on January 22, 2018, 06:55:38 PM
Another idea is to resurrect Miller St as an operational garage. Not sure how much it could hold but it would be ideal for the 7, 33, 52, 65, 67. This would of course mean the scrap buses would have to move elsewhere and possibly the training buses too.
The X70 could move from BC to AG freeing up space for ex PB routes at BC. BC already has a bit of room after loosing 58, 59 and 73 and having no replacements.
Just leaves the remaining PB routes to sort out! 😃
Had NX not sold off the Miller St tram shed they could have re-developed that in to a decent sized garage.
Quote from: Winston on January 22, 2018, 07:24:34 PM
Had NX not sold off the Miller St tram shed they could have re-developed that in to a decent sized garage.
Yes it would have solved all their problems. Miller St is a great location being near to City too.
They may aswell close BY aswell! Or if they close Miller St, and use BY as the new Miller Street.
Quote from: Winston on January 22, 2018, 07:24:34 PM
Had NX not sold off the Miller St tram shed they could have re-developed that in to a decent sized garage.
The council refused to allow Miller Street to be closed to make a decent sized garage covering both sides, even though at the time NX were willing to buy all the land right up to Newtown Row so no-one else needed access. TWM had already bought the buildings on the back of Miller Street that front New John Street (I was based there in the Travelcard dept for a time) and what is now the top yard as part of the process of doing this.
Does it mean a number of redundancies too then?
Is Hockley garage still owned by NX as that could possibly be used for part of PBs allocation if so?
Quote from: j789 on January 22, 2018, 08:02:32 PM
Is Hockley garage still owned by NX as that could possibly be used for part of PBs allocation if so?
No. Long gone.
Quote from: Tony on January 22, 2018, 07:32:36 PM
The council refused to allow Miller Street to be closed to make a decent sized garage covering both sides, even though at the time NX were willing to buy all the land right up to Newtown Row so no-one else needed access. TWM had already bought the buildings on the back of Miller Street that front New John Street (I was based there in the Travelcard dept for a time) and what is now the top yard as part of the process of doing this.
I seem to remember viewing the planning application showing the proposed new Miller Street depot.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 22, 2018, 08:00:36 PM
Does it mean a number of redundancies too then?
Unlikely to be that many, as the overall operational fleet size won't change much if at all. I guess it depends what the plan is
Is it one of the oldest garages then?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 22, 2018, 08:21:21 PM
Is it one of the oldest garages then?
AG (6/28), WB (11/29) and parts of WA are older (5/1915).
PB opened 16/2/1932
Out of interest,is the former Rotala garage in Aston still available to use as a replacement for Perry Barr? And what is the capacity of it?
Quote from: markcf83 on January 23, 2018, 07:12:12 PM
Out of interest,is the former Rotala garage in Aston still available to use as a replacement for Perry Barr? And what is the capacity of it?
No, it has new owners that have re-developed it for alternative use.
Quote from: Winston on January 23, 2018, 07:39:27 PM
No, it has new owners that have re-developed it for alternative use.
Western Power have that.
The replacement Perry Barr garage will be a brand new garage built from scratch so that it is exactly what is needed, not sure why everyone is looking at previous bus garage sites. They shut for a reason.
Wonder if their is land off the A47 by pass by Star city etc?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 23, 2018, 07:55:55 PM
Wonder if their is land off the A47 by pass by Star city etc?
Looking at google maps, the only bit of empty land near the A47 is the large site that is the old LDV Factory on the Washwood Heath Road that stretches back to the A47 and HS2 have got that, haven't they?
Quote from: 2206 on January 23, 2018, 08:08:02 PM
Looking at google maps, the only bit of empty land near the A47 is the large site that is the old LDV Factory on the Washwood Heath Road that stretches back to the A47 and HS2 have got that, haven't they?
That's where the HS2 depot is being built. The old MCW factory next door is also being demolished for it
My bet is the old dairy site on the Aldridge Road opposite Wickes and the Central Bus garage. At least twice the size of the current garage
Quote from: Tony on January 23, 2018, 07:54:39 PM
The replacement Perry Barr garage will be a brand new garage built from scratch so that it is exactly what is needed, not sure why everyone is looking at previous bus garage sites. They shut for a reason.
I've seen the plans for the redevelopment of West Bromwich, which would mean NX having to relocate their West Brom garage. What would be the prospects of a new 'super-garage' being located and built in reasonable proximity to replace both garages do you think?
Quote from: Stu on January 23, 2018, 08:53:49 PM
I've seen the plans for the redevelopment of West Bromwich, which would mean NX having to relocate their West Brom garage. What would be the prospects of a new 'super-garage' being located and built in reasonable proximity to replace both garages do you think?
Nil
Can i ask why perry bar bus garage is gonna close
Quote from: Jordan on January 24, 2018, 01:17:13 AM
Can i ask why perry bar bus garage is gonna close
Compulsory purchase order by Birmingham City Council because of the commonwealth games.
Quote from: John on January 23, 2018, 08:31:05 PM
My bet is the old dairy site on the Aldridge Road opposite Wickes and the Central Bus garage. At least twice the size of the current garage
It would be a safe bet
But potential residential issues? I know the residents of Nash Square have been particularly vocal against the Speedway at Perry Barr so not entirely sure they'd like a stonking great bus garage the other side
I think there's land available off nobels way for engineering block and hard standing available that's quite close if its not already in use?
Quote from: pb2012 on January 24, 2018, 10:29:24 AM
I think there's land available off nobels way for engineering block and hard standing available that's quite close if its not already in use?
If you are going to build a brand new garage you do it properly. Not have on part somewhere with another bit close by.
Following the X12 and X70, the X3, X4, X5 and X14 are becoming flexible route services between Gravelly Hill and Aston University to combat variable congestion. From March 18th 2018.
Have we been given a specific closure date for PB garage?.... Are there more new 67 reg BC based platinum's on loan to PB or is there a regular diagram for a random choice each day on the 907 service??? 6880 on a 907 service Ex Sutton at 15.15pm today.
Quote from: windy miller on January 24, 2018, 05:05:47 PM
Have we been given a specific closure date for PB garage?.... Are there more new 67 reg BC based platinum's on loan to PB or is there a regular diagram for a random choice each day on the 907 service??? 6880 on a 907 service Ex Sutton at 15.15pm today.
Loan I think, isn't it PB who operate the AM 869?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d03vF87TUAo
There's a video on youtube showing it on the 869, this morning as well.
Quote from: windy miller on January 24, 2018, 05:05:47 PM
Have we been given a specific closure date for PB garage?.... Are there more new 67 reg BC based platinum's on loan to PB or is there a regular diagram for a random choice each day on the 907 service??? 6880 on a 907 service Ex Sutton at 15.15pm today.
There is no closure date as of yet
Yes we have at least 3 on loan today. They will be on any running board and not on the the same one each day
Quote from: Stu on January 23, 2018, 08:53:49 PM
I've seen the plans for the redevelopment of West Bromwich, which would mean NX having to relocate their West Brom garage. What would be the prospects of a new 'super-garage' being located and built in reasonable proximity to replace both garages do you think?
I think I remember someone mentioning a site in Great Bridge somewhere as a replacement for WB.
There's a B7TL ALX400 on the 94 today, not very often one gets on there on a Sunday.
Whichever one it is, it has a rear ad.
Quote from: 2206 on January 28, 2018, 01:40:42 PM
There's a B7TL ALX400 on the 94 today, not very often one gets on there on a Sunday.
Whichever one it is, it has a rear ad.
That's either 4280/4/90/91. Or it could be 4289 which is PB's Red Bull bus that you saw from the rear?
I thought pb ran the 77 so how come there was a Walsall
on yesterday unless a bus broke down
Walsall runs the 77 now
Walsall have had the 77 back for months now. Ever since the changes to the 71 and the introduction of the 96
PB only ran the 77 July 2016-4 June 2017 rest of the time has always been Walsall. Was great to see variety in Walsall Town like 7 16 33 101 branded Enviro.
Quote from: PB2938 on February 02, 2018, 09:50:02 AM
PB only ran the 77 July 2016-4 June 2017 rest of the time has always been Walsall. Was great to see variety in Walsall Town like 7 16 33 101 branded Enviro.
Omnicitys too.
Quote from: John on February 02, 2018, 08:03:08 AM
Walsall have had the 77 back for months now. Ever since the changes to the 71 and the introduction of the 96
When PB received too many Omnilinks and made the 52/A to fully stupid Omnilinks.
Quote from: PB2938 on February 02, 2018, 09:50:02 AM
PB only ran the 77 July 2016-4 June 2017 rest of the time has always been Walsall. Was great to see variety in Walsall Town like 7 16 33 101 branded Enviro.
I pictured the prototype Scania 4697 (YN55 PXB) on 77 in Walsall,
@PB2938. :) https://flic.kr/p/KmQYHc
4278 & 4279 were in convoy on the 16 & 16A this morning. Miss these as the allocation. Also consecutive numbered buses on complementing routes was pretty satisfying.
Anything interesting to read, llike some inside gossip on long term plans for housing all these routes yet?
Commonwealth homes village according to Midlands today.
1932 broken down on dyas road towards Scott arms, just after co-op island
4844 out on the 65/67. One of the front bumpers is from the mk1 Enviros.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on February 15, 2018, 08:11:35 AM
1932 broken down on dyas road towards Scott arms, just after co-op island
That should be in the breakdown thread...
4480 been driven round Perry Beeches this morning by an engineer, then saw doing it loops of Aston Six Ways.
1932's rear display is finally working.
Some of the 71 rear displays still haven't been updated as I saw 1900 at the Spitfire Island showing 71 at the front & 70 on the back
Quote from: Squiz1971 on February 17, 2018, 12:39:27 PM
Some of the 71 rear displays still haven't been updated as I saw 1900 at the Spitfire Island showing 71 at the front & 70 on the back
None of them have been updated
Quote from: John on February 17, 2018, 04:22:48 PM
None of them have been updated
I don't know, you would have thought given the potential for confusion that they'd be in the process of updating them, but none of them have?
Quote from: Kevin on February 17, 2018, 05:20:51 PM
I don't know, you would have thought given the potential for confusion that they'd be in the process of updating them, but none of them have?
They should have been done months ago.
Not sure if broken down but just saw 4290 with hazards on at the traffic lights on Hingeston Street, transferring passengers into the bus behind.
@Tony seen a coach pull into perry barr what's up with the coach for it to be there?
After transferring to Perry Barr in December 4277 finally made its debut on Friday there for this spell of allocation. It is on the 94 today.
6820 out on the 94 seen by Chipperfield Road inbound stop about 12:20, not noteworthy I don't believe as this is a regular occurrence most days????
Quote from: Squiz1971 on March 11, 2018, 01:12:31 PM
6820 out on the 94 seen by Chipperfield Road inbound stop about 12:20, not noteworthy I don't believe as this is a regular occurrence most days????
Sunday allocation for the 94 is MMCs. Still has the occasional Gemini on Sundays too
Quote from: John on March 11, 2018, 01:14:10 PM
Sunday allocation for the 94 is MMCs. Still has the occasional Gemini on Sundays too
Thanks
@John for the info mate, hence me posting it here not in Noteworthy Workings
Has 4226 been withdrawn? In the latest photo of 4186, it is sandwiched in between withdrawn Tridents.
Quote from: Jack on March 13, 2018, 07:49:47 AM
Has 4226 been withdrawn? In the latest photo of 4186, it is sandwiched in between withdrawn Tridents.
Yes
4694 - 33
Any insider gossip on future plans for routes out of this depot yet then?
E200 on the 52s today. First time in a while I've seen one on there
Quote from: John on March 24, 2018, 04:30:37 PM
E200 on the 52s today. First time in a while I've seen one on there
One hasn't appeared for a long time now. Last time I saw one was January. I presume it's the spare one that PB don't want sitting around in the garage.
Saw the dd Scanla 55 plate decked on it training branding on the Chester rd in castle Brom today, looked impactful.
Quote from: John on March 24, 2018, 04:30:37 PM
E200 on the 52s today. First time in a while I've seen one on there
763.
1871 badly leaking water from roof by lights, seriously needs looking at.
4693/6 - 33
764 - 52/A
4286 - 33
I saw 4691 come down Little Clifton Road and Clifton Road in Sutton out of service earlier this afternoon at about 17:30.
Unusual to see a National Express bus there.
Does anyone know what 763 is doing today?
It was at the 7 and 65 terminus in Perry Common at about 14:15, full of drivers and it was displaying CG - Private Hire?
Quote from: 2206 on April 03, 2018, 02:55:42 PM
Does anyone know what 763 is doing today?
It was at the 7 and 65 terminus in Perry Common at about 14:15, full of drivers and it was displaying CG - Private Hire?
I saw it on Dale End about an hour ago display CG (Cap Gemini).
4282 on the 33.
4278 has had a new mega-rear ad. Couldn't get a close look but it was green and had gorillas on.
Quote from: Jack on April 07, 2018, 05:50:11 PM
4278 has had a new mega-rear ad. Couldn't get a close look but it was green and had gorillas on.
Tycross Zoo. Had it for a few weeks now
Quote from: John on April 07, 2018, 05:52:08 PM
Tycross Zoo. Had it for a few weeks now
That makes five ALX400's at PB which have got mega rears.
4278 - Tycross Zoo
4280 - Motorpoint
4284 - not sure
4290 - Geo News/Channel Urdu.
4291 - Motorpoint
4281 doesn't have a mega rear does it?
@John
Quote from: Jack on April 07, 2018, 05:58:20 PM
That makes five ALX400's at PB which have got mega rears.
4278 - Tycross Zoo
4280 - Motorpoint
4284 - not sure
4290 - Geo News/Channel Urdu.
4291 Motorpoint
4281 doesn't have a mega rear does it? @John
No it doesn't
4284 has a dark blue ad, think its for another car dealer
Quote from: John on April 07, 2018, 06:25:07 PM
No it doesn't
4284 has a dark blue ad, think its for another car dealer
It's navy and orange, yes it probably is.
4284 is Motorpoint as well. All 3 run until August
@V89MOA B7TL's aren't really noteworthy on the 33, whatever type it is. They aren't noteworthy whatsoever.
Quote from: Jack on April 09, 2018, 12:07:00 PM
@V89MOA B7TL's aren't really noteworthy on the 33, whatever type it is. They aren't noteworthy whatsoever.
Not what the Allocation sheet says.
Quote from: V89MOA on April 09, 2018, 12:16:47 PM
Not what the Allocation sheet says.
It doesn't need updating then, B7TL's are fairly common on the 33. (Gemini and ALX400).
ALX400s are unusual on the 33. Geminis are not
There's an Omnicity out on the 94 today.
Say goodbye to the 52 and 52A. Reverting back to the 952 on 22nd April
Quote from: John on April 11, 2018, 04:51:30 PM
Say goodbye to the 52 and 52A. Reverting back to the 952 on 22nd April
Thought the 952 never carried anything? Hence its withdrawal. Nice to see it comeback though.
No doubt it will be Omnilinks.
Not on the NX website. Short notice. Look forward to overcrowded 33s and 51s again.
How come it's reverting back to the 952?
@John No doubt it will revert back once it's changed back to the 952 to the 52/A again. Looks like the users have got what they wanted back again, a limited stop service.
In my opinion the 52/A helped ease out the loadings on the 33 and 51. So quite silly in a way.
Quote from: Jack on April 11, 2018, 04:54:39 PM
Thought the 952 never carried anything? Hence its withdrawal. Nice to see it comeback though.
No doubt it will be Omnilinks.
Not on the NX website. Short notice. Look forward to overcrowded 33s and 51s again.
How come it's reverting back to the 952? @John
No doubt it will revert back once it's changed back to the 952 to the 52/A again. Looks like the users have got what they wanted back again, a limited stop service.
No idea. The 52 is the least used service down the Birchfield Road as people perfer the 33 then the 51. It alao saves a few buses as off peak I think only uses 3 buses
It is on the website somewhere as I've seen screenshots of it on a Facebook group
Quote from: John on April 11, 2018, 05:01:54 PM
No idea. The 52 is the least used service down the Birchfield Road as people perfer the 33 then the 51. It alao saves a few buses as off peak I think only uses 3 buses
Reason it's least used is because people prefer DD's! Not E200's or overcrowded Omnilinks! I personally think this is daft. The 52 can be full down Birchfield Road a lot.
It seems to be on the Black Country service changes. Seems as though that the 33 and 51 are going to more frequent but staying at every 10 minutes, wouldn't it make more sense to revert them both back to 8 minutes?
PB never cared about the 52/A anyway, just got anything and everything. Wonder if the 952 will be PB's non-fixed allocated route? It could share the Spare Platniums with the 907.
Quote from: Jack on April 11, 2018, 04:54:39 PM
Not on the NX website. Short notice. Look forward to overcrowded 33s and 51s again.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/black-country-service-changes-from-sunday-22nd-april
Quote from: Adam 404 on April 11, 2018, 05:09:10 PM
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/black-country-service-changes-from-sunday-22nd-april
Thanks
@Adam 404, just found if my self.
It would be a help if they moved the 907 from the present X51 stop in lower Bull Street, most evenings when i get the 907 the bus can't get in because of the X51's and with there being more of them it will make it harder, I would suggest moving it to the 934-7/997 stop, I know there are more buses there but there is more space compared to the X51 stop which is cramped which is made worse by the stop being at the traffic lights.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 11, 2018, 05:13:15 PM
It would be a help if they moved the 907 from the present X51 stop in lower Bull Street, most evenings when i get the 907 the bus can't get in because of the X51's and with there being more of them it will make it harder, I would suggest moving it to the 934-7/997 stop, I know there are more buses there but there is more space compared to the X51 stop which is cramped which is made worse by the stop being at the traffic lights.
I have a feeling when the 952 returns it will be shoved at the X51 stop, alongside the 907 making it worse than it already is.
Does this mean PB running slightly less buses then?
I'm surprised it's the 952 and not the X52 given all of the X routes in recent times.
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 11, 2018, 08:25:32 PM
I'm surprised it's the 952 and not the X52 given all of the X routes in recent times.
The argument is usually 9** for Limited Stop routes vs X for Express routes, although the X64 is the least express route you can get.
Quote from: V89MOA on April 11, 2018, 08:29:51 PM
The argument is usually 9** for Limited Stop routes vs X for Express routes, although the X64 is the least express route you can get.
Wouldn't that mean the X61 should've been the 961 then? Though I guess you can say Limited Stop services are Express services themselves.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 11, 2018, 08:07:07 PM
Does this mean PB running slightly less buses then?
I think so - when it was the 952 previously it was 5/6 buses. The current 52/A is 8 buses (11 buses in Peaks). I think the 952 should interwork with the 907.
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 11, 2018, 08:25:32 PM
I'm surprised it's the 952 and not the X52 given all of the X routes in recent times.
I think the 952 is better than the X52.
Let's face it, there's no consistency in the 9xx and the Xxx numbering. You have the odd proper express route like the X51, and the majority which are limited stop over part of the route, then all stops after that, regardless of the numbering.
Then you have the X64 and X96.
How long has Perry Beeches been in the Black Country?
Quote from: dingding on April 11, 2018, 09:19:17 PM
How long has Perry Beeches been in the Black Country?
Never - NX assume it's in the Black Country.
Quote from: Jack on April 11, 2018, 10:48:47 PM
Never - NX assume it's in the Black Country.
Can anyone even agree on what is and isn't the Black Country, though?
Quote from: Jack on April 11, 2018, 10:48:47 PM
Never - NX assume it's in the Black Country.
Part of Perry Beeches comes under Sandwell and that would be classed as Black Country.
Quote from: j789 on April 12, 2018, 10:01:36 PM
Part of Perry Beeches comes under Sandwell and that would be classed as Black Country.
Perry Beeches is an estate, in Great Barr. Perry Beeches is under Birmingham. Great Barr is shared between Walsall, Birmingham and Sandwell. We aren't Sandwell!
Quote from: j789 on April 12, 2018, 10:01:36 PM
Part of Perry Beeches comes under Sandwell and that would be classed as Black Country.
Oh dear. Try telling any of the residents of Perry Beeches that they live in the Black Country! Do you actually know where PB is?
Quote from: RW on April 12, 2018, 10:41:09 PM
Oh dear. Try telling any of the residents of Perry Beeches that they live in the Black Country! Do you actually know where PB is?
They wouldn't be happy at all!
Quote from: Jack on April 12, 2018, 10:21:49 PM
Perry Beeches is an estate, in Great Barr. Perry Beeches is under Birmingham. Great Barr is shared between Walsall, Birmingham and Sandwell. We aren't Sandwell!
Quote from: RW on April 12, 2018, 10:41:09 PM
Oh dear. Try telling any of the residents of Perry Beeches that they live in the Black Country! Do you actually know where PB is?
It was Great Barr that I was thinking of being partly in Sandwell so was incorrect there. However it is very close to what could be classed as the Black Country so understandable why nxwm classed it as such, particularly as the 52 route has obvious links and similarities to the 51 which does obviously run through the BC and may well be used as an onward service by people living in those areas because of its proximity.
Quote from: j789 on April 13, 2018, 12:27:33 AM
It was Great Barr that I was thinking of being partly in Sandwell so was incorrect there. However it is very close to what could be classed as the Black Country so understandable why nxwm classed it as such, particularly as the 52 route has obvious links and similarities to the 51 which does obviously run through the BC and may well be used as an onward service by people living in those areas because of its proximity.
Perry Beeches is still not classed as the Black Country!!! Whether it's close or not to boundary with Sandwell, it's not Black Country. You really should to say this people who live in Perry Beeches and see the outcome.
Quote from: Jack on April 13, 2018, 10:46:37 AM
Perry Beeches is still not classed as the Black Country!!! Whether it's close or not to boundary with Sandwell, it's not Black Country. You really should to say this people who live in Perry Beeches and see the outcome.
He's acknowledged that it isn't in the Black Country so that's the end of the matter. Calm down dear.
Quote from: Mike K on April 13, 2018, 02:23:49 PM
He's acknowledged that it isn't in the Black Country so that's the end of the matter. Calm down dear.
Sure thing sweetheart.
Anyway, some of the flags around the Perry Beeches have been changed and are saying 952 now, the timetables have been changed at the stops with new flags.
A lot of people aren't happy about the changes though. Most are from 52 users is that buses will be going back to serving Turnberry Road and Booths Farm Road as it takes a long and adds five minutes onto the journey. They'd rather is stay going straight up Beeches Road to Walsall Road. Also people who use the 52A aren't happy that the buses won't turn left onto Turnberry Road and will now have to do a twenty minute wait at Hassop Road while the driver is having a layover. A good few people I've spoke too have already complained.
Personally I'm not thrilled about this either.
Quote from: Jack on April 13, 2018, 02:42:51 PM
Sure thing sweetheart.
Anyway, some of the flags around the Perry Beeches have been changed and are saying 952 now, the timetables have been changed at the stops with new flags.
A lot of people aren't happy about the changes though. Most are from 52 users is that buses will be going back to serving Turnberry Road and Booths Farm Road as it takes a long and adds five minutes onto the journey. They'd rather is stay going straight up Beeches Road to Walsall Road. Also people who use the 52A aren't happy that the buses won't turn left onto Turnberry Road and will now have to do a twenty minute wait at Hassop Road while the driver is having a layover. A good few people I've spoke too have already complained.
Personally I'm not thrilled about this either.
What's 5 min to the average person?? Hope you speak to those people better than you do on this forum
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 13, 2018, 02:59:29 PM
What's 5 min to the average person?? Hope you speak to those people better than you do on this forum
I just asked a few people and some liked it and some didn't. But everyone will get use to it, it took time for people to get use to the change from the 952 to 52/A.
People don't like wasting 'valuable' time. That's the response I got from both 52 and 52A users. (Hopefully it doesn't make it into the Great Barr observer like last time!)
Would this be the same Perry Beeches lot that previously complained they were having their link across the estate cut when it was split into 52/52A?
Never gonna please everyone, no point trying
For what it's worth my personal opinion is completely scrap it and make better use of Booths Farm with a service from One Stop to Scott Arms via the estate and Calshot Road, but opinions are irrelevant
Quote from: Kevin on April 13, 2018, 05:57:42 PM
Would this be the same Perry Beeches lot that previously complained they were having their link across the estate cut when it was split into 52/52A?
Never gonna please everyone, no point trying
For what it's worth my personal opinion is completely scrap it and make better use of Booths Farm with a service from One Stop to Scott Arms via the estate and Calshot Road, but opinions are irrelevant
Not sure if it's the same people, but a good few people aren't pleased.
I agree with your opinion for the 52A. I would extend the 52 to Old Oscott so it goes somewhere where it will probably pick up a few more people. I'm sure you'll agree with me that the Perry Beeches end on of the routes are completely dead. The 52A especially.
Omnicity on the 16.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 14, 2018, 05:38:24 PM
Scrap It !
Are they that bad? 😂 Personally, I've a neutral opinion on them.
Quote from: CL on April 14, 2018, 06:34:09 PM
Are they that bad? 😂 Personally, I've a neutral opinion on them.
They are better than MK1 E400's!
Quote from: CL on April 14, 2018, 06:34:09 PM
Are they that bad? 😂 Personally, I've a neutral opinion on them.
Speaking as a passenger who uses the 907 nearly every day where the omnicitys are generally used, they are too noisy and uncomfortable. Platinums are the most comfortable followed by enviros, the gemini's and ALX400 aren't too bad, but the omnicitys please just get rid of them !!!
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 14, 2018, 06:55:24 PM
Speaking as a passenger who uses the 907 nearly every day where the omnicitys are generally used, they are too noisy and uncomfortable. Platinums are the most comfortable followed by enviros, the gemini's and ALX400 aren't too bad, but the omnicitys please just get rid of them !!!
NX won't get rid of them just because you don't like them. The fact that they are noisy just shows the power they have and how fast they can go. Hopefully the 907 and 952 may interwork so I can have them everyday, doubt that though. The 907 has had a lot of Gemini's on it lately, saw two Omnicitys on it today, haven't seen an Omnicity on the 907 for a few weeks, constantly seeing them on the 65/67. How about you use the 7 as you very rarely get Omnicitys?
Quote from: Jack on April 14, 2018, 07:30:06 PM
NX won't get rid of them just because you don't like them. The fact that they are noisy just shows the power they have and how fast they can go. Hopefully the 907 and 952 may interwork so I can have them everyday, doubt that though.
Here's the 952 timetable: http://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/current_timetables/2018-timetables/22nd-April/952_22Apr18.pdf
It won't interwork with the 907, also there are only 4 omnicitys left (4697 & 4781 are withdrawn so that's 33% gone) so with only 4 left it would be perfect for the 952 (3 during the daytime, 4 in peaks) !
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 14, 2018, 07:39:25 PM
Here's the 952 timetable: http://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/current_timetables/2018-timetables/22nd-April/952_22Apr18.pdf
It won't interwork with the 907, also there are only 4 omnicitys left (4697 & 4781 are withdrawn so that's 33% gone) so with only 4 left it would be perfect for the 952 (3 during the daytime, 4 in peaks) !
It would be ideal to have them on the 952. The 907 and 952 should be fully Platinum tbh, but both are neglected so it doesn't matter.
Quote from: Jack on April 14, 2018, 07:45:50 PM
It would be ideal to have them on the 952. The 907 and 952 should be fully Platinum tbh, but both are neglected so it doesn't matter.
Are they less reliable than the PN 9 though?
Quote from: Jack on April 14, 2018, 07:45:50 PM
It would be ideal to have them on the 952. The 907 and 952 should be fully Platinum tbh, but both are neglected so it doesn't matter.
A bus is a bus surely.
Why should it be Platinum? Why does it matter whether they are a Crimson vehicle or platinum vehicle, they both get the passengers to there destination.
Quote from: 2206 on April 14, 2018, 07:57:59 PM
A bus is a bus surely.
Why should it be Platinum? Why does it matter whether they are a Crimson vehicle or platinum vehicle, they both get the passengers to there destination.
They are limited stop services, i just think they should.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 14, 2018, 07:53:52 PM
Are they less reliable than the PN 9 though?
Have you seen how bad the 907 can be with the New Oscott traffic?
I'm sure
@Steve3229vp will agree with that the 907 should carry on down College Road instead of turning left onto Chester Road and being stuck in the traffic. It literally doesn't move!
Quote from: Jack on April 14, 2018, 08:00:57 PM
They are limited stop services, i just think they should.
Nah, Perry Beeches ain't that special, only just warrants a bus at all let alone high spec
Quote from: Jack on April 14, 2018, 08:02:32 PM
Have you seen how bad the 907 can be with the New Oscott traffic?
I'm sure @Steve3229vp will agree with that the 907 should carry on down College Road instead of turning left onto Chester Road and being stuck in the traffic. It literally doesn't move!
I agree about the 907, i've lived on the route since 1994 (107/113) and it's just left to rot. I'd have an X42 doing the 907 but not serving One Stop or Tesco and a 42 local service from One Stop to New Oscott (tesco) via College Road and to avoid the congestion on Chester Road I'd send it via Warren Farm Road, Finchley Road and Kings Road. But lets be honest NXWM will never do that !
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 14, 2018, 08:55:02 PM
I agree about the 907, i've lived on the route since 1994 (107/113) and it's just left to rot. I'd have an X42 doing the 907 but not serving One Stop or Tesco and a 42 local service from One Stop to New Oscott (tesco) via College Road and to avoid the congestion on Chester Road I'd send it via Warren Farm Road, Finchley Road and Kings Road. But lets be honest NXWM will never do that !
TBH most of PB's routes are neglected. 52/A, 65/67, 94, 907, pointless 38. Even the 28, it would be good if it served Perry Beeches and Scott Arms on Sundays. I find it funny the branding mentions Great Barr and Perry Beeches even though it serves these places at limited times.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 14, 2018, 08:55:02 PM
I agree about the 907, i've lived on the route since 1994 (107/113) and it's just left to rot. I'd have an X42 doing the 907 but not serving One Stop or Tesco and a 42 local service from One Stop to New Oscott (tesco) via College Road and to avoid the congestion on Chester Road I'd send it via Warren Farm Road, Finchley Road and Kings Road. But lets be honest NXWM will never do that !
I would reintroduce the 107. Would mean the 907 wouldn't be stuck in traffic and be College Road's express service. Missing out One Stop and a good few stops down College Road. Would make it continue down College Road instead of turning left. The 107 would the same route as it was when it use to run, non-limited Stop and would serve One Stop, all stops down College Road and Beggars Bush. But that will never happen.
The problem with the 907 missing out tesco beggars bush is that quite a lot of people use these stops, they often tend to be one of the busiest stops between Perry Barr and sutton. Does the timetable have any drop back at the sutton terminus (been a while since I caught the 907, usually catch the 7)
Quote from: Lukeee on April 16, 2018, 09:07:57 AM
The problem with the 907 missing out tesco beggars bush is that quite a lot of people use these stops, they often tend to be one of the busiest stops between Perry Barr and sutton. Does the timetable have any drop back at the sutton terminus (been a while since I caught the 907, usually catch the 7)
Around 10 minutes in the week and 20 on Saturdays
Notices have now started appearing on bus stops around here that the 52/A will be replaced by the 952. They city Stop also has them, now people aren't happy it will just be the 33 and 51 again on the Birchfield Road and Newtown Row serving all the stops and that they will not cope and be packed again. More angry people from Perry Beeches as well.
Quote from: Jack on April 17, 2018, 07:43:59 PM
Notices have now started appearing on bus stops around here that the 52/A will be replaced by the 952. They city Stop also has them, now people aren't happy it will just be the 33 and 51 again on the Birchfield Road and Newtown Row serving all the stops and that they will not cope and be packed again. More angry people from Perry Beeches as well.
Really? What sample of the travelling public have you interviewed.
The 33 & 51 won't cope?
Have you surveyed how many empty seat per hour there are on the 33 & 51?
It's not along ago we were being told on here people don't like the single decks and Birchfield Road passengers always waited for double decks
What you actually mean is you are not happy with the changes so claim 'people' aren't
Quote from: Tony on April 17, 2018, 07:53:51 PM
Really? What sample of the travelling public have you interviewed.
The 33 & 51 won't cope?
Have you surveyed how many empty seat per hour there are on the 33 & 51?
It's not along ago we were being told on here people don't like the single decks and Birchfield Road passengers always waited for double decks
What you actually mean is you are not happy with the changes so claim 'people' aren't
The whole point of the 52/A being reintroduced was to ease out the loadings on the 33/51. They were always full prior to it coming back.
No, people didn't like the Single Decks but they had no choice to cram onto them, the E200's were a joke.
I'm not thrilled with the changes, and a lot of the users aren't happy here.
I remember being told the 952 was withdrawn because of low usage, so I wonder why it's returned.
Quote from: Jack on April 17, 2018, 08:00:51 PM
The whole point of the 52/A being reintroduced was to ease out the loadings on the 33/51. They were always full prior to it coming back.
No, people didn't like the Single Decks but they had no choice to cram onto them, the E200's were a joke.
I'm not thrilled with the changes, and a lot of the users aren't happy here.
I remember being told the 952 was withdrawn because of low usage, so I wonder why it's returned.
Weren't the 33 & 51 were every 3/4 minutes (combined, every 7/8 individually) before the 52/A was introduced?
The same frequency as the 33/51/52/52A currently?
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 17, 2018, 10:19:45 PM
Weren't the 33 & 51 were every 3/4 minutes (combined, every 7/8 individually) before the 52/A was introduced?
The same frequency as the 33/51/52/52A currently?
The 33/51 were combined to 4 minutes and were both 8 minutes individually. When the 52/A came back the 33 and 51 both individually went to 10 minutes. The 52 and 52A were both combined to 10 minutes. This created buses to being every few minutes, aka 3 minutes.
Quote from: Jack on April 18, 2018, 06:10:18 PM
The 33/51 were combined to 4 minutes and were both 8 minutes individually. When the 52/A came back the 33 and 51 both individually went to 10 minutes. The 52 and 52A were both combined to 10 minutes. This created buses to being every few minutes, aka 3 minutes.
Does that corridor really require such a high frequency though? Sure you can get the train if you don't like it?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 18, 2018, 06:13:44 PM
Does that corridor really require such a high frequency though? Sure you can get the train if you don't like it?
Get the train to where?
Six Ways, Aston,
Alexander Stadium
Great Barr, The Clifton
Scott Arms
WBA training ground
The Bell
The Boundary
Beeches Estate
Kingstanding
Pheasey
Which station serves any of those places?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 18, 2018, 06:13:44 PM
Does that corridor really require such a high frequency though? Sure you can get the train if you don't like it?
Never said I didn't like it.
Come and see how busy this corridor gets, the Omnilinks on the 52/A are an example of how busy it gets. Shame the 4H isn't as frequent.
Quote from: Jack on April 18, 2018, 06:25:40 PM
Never said I didn't like it.
Come and see how busy this corridor gets, the Omnilinks on the 52/A are an example of how busy it gets. Shame the 4H isn't as frequent.
Wouldn't want an increased frequency on nx 4H, I catch diamond anyway far quicker. If your going to refer to peaks then every bus is going to experience overcrowding. Even on a double decker I can end up standing
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 18, 2018, 07:06:53 PM
Wouldn't want an increased frequency on nx 4H, I catch diamond anyway far quicker. If your going to refer to peaks then every bus is going to experience overcrowding. Even on a double decker I can end up standing
Because it picks up hardly any passengers, some times wonders off route for a short cut "cough" 226 "cough" when has the NX 4 had a double decker recently? Unless it was an invisible one!
And the NX4H went from every 30 mins to every 20... so they are trying to sort the heavy loads.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 18, 2018, 06:13:44 PM
Does that corridor really require such a high frequency though? Sure you can get the train if you don't like it?
To answer it: yes
The thing I'm curious about, the 51 and 33 are going to be "up to every 10 mins", so overall this is now a reduction in frequency from either current situation or the case from when the 952 existed before
Also, 952 only gonna be ever hour on a Sunday again, would have thought they'd do half hourly
Quote from: Kevin link=topic=1935.msg234180#msg234180 date=1524082666
Also, 952 only gonna be ever hour on a Sunday again, would have thought they'd do half hourly
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It doesn't matter, Perry Beeches isn't important.
Quote from: Jack on April 18, 2018, 06:10:18 PM
The 33/51 were combined to 4 minutes and were both 8 minutes individually. When the 52/A came back the 33 and 51 both individually went to 10 minutes. The 52 and 52A were both combined to 10 minutes. This created buses to being every few minutes, aka 3 minutes.
Ahh, I see. That'll be every 3/4 minutes by the way
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 20, 2018, 08:30:07 PM
Ahh, I see. That'll be every 3/4 minutes by the way
If you want to put it that way...
4280 on the 33.
4779 on the 16.
OmniLink on the 952 still displaying 52. Bet that will be fun along the Birchfield Road
Quote from: John on April 22, 2018, 09:59:39 AM
OmniLink on the 952 still displaying 52. Bet that will be fun along the Birchfield Road
Great! I knew this was going to happen!
Same thing happened when it changed to the 52/A, two 952s were still in use!
So it's now Omnilinks on Sundays? Thought it would be DD on Sundays like it use to!
Quote from: Jack on April 22, 2018, 10:01:03 AM
Great! I knew this was going to happen!
Same thing happened when it changed to the 52/A, two 952s were still in use!
So it's now Omnilinks on Sundays? Thought it would be DD on Sundays like it use to!
Dosent need a decker on Sundays. I done the 952 before with 4934 and it was wasted. Could get away with an Enviro200
Quote from: John on April 22, 2018, 10:04:54 AM
Dosent need a decker on Sundays. I done the 952 before with 4934 and it was wasted. Could get away with an Enviro200
True it doesn't, just wondered if it would be DD again on Sundays. Anyway one of the stops on Birchfield Road outbound still has 52 and 52A on the flag, so it's great.
Does PB even have a fixed route anymore? The 46 can have anything. Unless it's 952.
1901 is the Omnilink out displaying 52. Driver was kind and telling passengers it's the 952 and saying where the next stop is. People at the Rodway Close stop were putting their hands out to hail the bus over.
1901 was actually out on the 52/A yesterday and may of been doing a late night 52 or 52A so may of not had time to update the displays...
Quote from: Jack on April 22, 2018, 01:06:18 PM
1901 is the Omnilink out displaying 52. Driver was kind and telling passengers it's the 952 and saying where the next stop is. People at the Rodway Close stop were putting their hands out to hail the bus over.
1901 was actually out on the 52/A yesterday and may of been doing a late night 52 or 52A so may of not had time to update the displays...
Doesn't matter if it was out last night. Should be checked before leaving garage. I certainly wouldn't have brought it out until it was changed. I can imagine all the agro the drivers are getting today. I'd blank it off over the limited stop parts of the route if I was on it
Quote from: John on April 22, 2018, 01:41:05 PM
Doesn't matter if it was out last night. Should be checked before leaving garage. I certainly wouldn't have brought it out until it was changed. I can imagine all the agro the drivers are getting today. I'd blank it off over the limited stop parts of the route if I was on it
Some paper numbers would do. But PB don't want a telling off by TfWM!
If you did blank it off over the limited stop parts then expect to have an earful from Perry Beeches users as they will moan that they got told it was the 952, not the 52.
A few people who got on along Walsall Road claimed they knew nothing about the changes, the stops have notices on, as do the buses. More angry people at Perry Barr, saying "you don't go that way! "You're a 52!"
The 952 is sharing the Bull Street Stop with the 33 and 51, I though it would share the stop with 907/X51.
Quote from: Jack on April 22, 2018, 01:42:47 PM
Some paper numbers would do. But PB don't want a telling off by TfWM!
They'll get a telling off for displaying the wrong number if they're monitoring.
Quote from: Dom on April 22, 2018, 01:46:04 PM
They'll get a telling off for displaying the wrong number if they're monitoring.
Let's just hope it's not like this tomorrow!
The 952 is sharing the Bull Street Stop with the 33 and 51, I though it would share the stop with 907/X51.
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No way the 907 struggles to get into that bus stop because of X51's already. I would suggest that the 952 can go with the X51 BUT move the 907 to the 933-7/997 stop instead.
Are they not using the spare platinums on Sundays anymore?
Not seen any E400 MMC on the 94 today and it appears to be completely Gemini operated today?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 22, 2018, 01:56:29 PM
The 952 is sharing the Bull Street Stop with the 33 and 51, I though it would share the stop with 907/X51.
No way the 907 struggles to get into that bus stop because of X51's already. I would suggest that the 952 can go with the X51 BUT move the 907 to the 933-7/997 stop instead.
The X51's? The 33/51 Stop is bad as there is a lot of the time there is a bus parked and if there's X51 there then it will be in the middle of the road, but mainly they have to park at an angle.
The 952 seems to have kicked off well, though a few users weren't happy they had to go round Booths Farm. Another thing is the 952 weirdly doesn't stop at the Monsal Road stop on Thornbridge Avenue. A few drivers have stopped there and some haven't, but the flag and timetable doesn't have the 952. The 52 and previous 952 stopped there and now it doesn't.
Quote from: Jack on April 24, 2018, 09:18:56 PM
The X51's? The 33/51 Stop is bad as there is a lot of the time there is a bus parked and if there's X51 there then it will be in the middle of the road, but mainly they have to park at an angle.
The 952 seems to have kicked off well, though a few users weren't happy they had to go round Booths Farm. Another thing is the 952 weirdly doesn't stop at the Monsal Road stop on Thornbridge Avenue. A few drivers have stopped there and some haven't, but the flag and timetable doesn't have the 952. The 52 and previous 952 stopped there and now it doesn't.
It does stop at Monsal Road in both directions
Why has the 16a service been reduced to just one service each way a day (04.25 Scott arms to city which is too early to be of any use to anyone) and a midnight departure from city. It means there is no direct link from Scott arms to hockley/ jewellery quarter any longer. It means a trek now along the newton road to catch the x51. Surely a couple of peak time services could have been retained for commuters and school kids.
Quote from: John on April 24, 2018, 10:26:18 PM
It does stop at Monsal Road in both directions
Outbound it does, inbound it doesn't and it shouldn't be stopping there inbound, a few people have told me this and seen it for myself. Probably because the Swimming Baths Stop is a short walk away.
The flag and timetable says nothing about the 952. A driver I asked earlier said it doesn't stop there inbound.
Quote from: 37351ml on April 24, 2018, 10:27:43 PM
Why has the 16a service been reduced to just one service each way a day (04.25 Scott arms to city which is too early to be of any use to anyone) and a midnight departure from city. It means there is no direct link from Scott arms to hockley/ jewellery quarter any longer. It means a trek now along the newton road to catch the x51. Surely a couple of peak time services could have been retained for commuters and school kids.
Haven't noticed this change, but in all honesty I'm not surprised.
A few times I've caught the 16A of an evening back home to Scott Arms and been the only person on board after Hamstead Village. I do feel if buses ran on the old 16A route straight up the Old Walsall Road it'd be used more, but my opinion as a passenger is irrelevant...
Quote from: Kevin on April 24, 2018, 10:48:54 PM
Haven't noticed this change, but in all honesty I'm not surprised.
A few times I've caught the 16A of an evening back home to Scott Arms and been the only person on board after Hamstead Village. I do feel if buses ran on the old 16A route straight up the Old Walsall Road it'd be used more, but my opinion as a passenger is irrelevant...
How come the 16A going up Old Walsall Road never worked? It was a more suitable route than going past Green Lane onto Newton Road.
Quote from: Jack on April 24, 2018, 10:34:25 PM
Outbound it does, inbound it doesn't and it shouldn't be stopping there inbound, a few people have told me this and seen it for myself. Probably because the Swimming Baths Stop is a short walk away.
The flag and timetable says nothing about the 952. A driver I asked earlier said it doesn't stop there inbound.
The map I've seen seen on a flier advertising the change on my bus this morning says it does.
Quote from: John on April 24, 2018, 10:57:28 PM
The map I've seen seen on a flier advertising the change on my bus this morning says it does.
That's what it may say on paper, but in reality it doesn't...
Quote from: Jack on April 25, 2018, 07:26:59 AM
That's what it may say on paper, but in reality it doesn't...
Network West Midlands webgsite says it stops there too
Quote from: Jack on April 24, 2018, 10:51:33 PM
How come the 16A going up Old Walsall Road never worked? It was a more suitable route than going past Green Lane onto Newton Road.
No idea to be honest, 16s in general never seemed that full beyond the village so it struck me as a bit strange when the 16A originally started going that way. There's always been a market for passengers doing that stretch but mostly you see them changing off the 16 onto the 46 and vice versa
That's a bit crafty and sneaky of them no mention on the nx site has the evening service been reduced to 30 mins as well or was it always that.
I always that the 16a were just garage positioning journeys anyway.
Quote from: John on April 25, 2018, 09:34:39 AM
Network West Midlands webgsite says it stops there too
That's an error then, it doesn't stop there inbound!
Quote from: Kevin on April 25, 2018, 01:31:49 PM
No idea to be honest, 16s in general never seemed that full beyond the village so it struck me as a bit strange when the 16A originally started going that way. There's always been a market for passengers doing that stretch but mostly you see them changing off the 16 onto the 46 and vice versa
What about sending it up Spouthouse Lane? Lol, would be fun seeing Deckers going up there, but probably would easily get stuck.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 25, 2018, 06:43:11 PM
That's a bit crafty and sneaky of them no mention on the nx site has the evening service been reduced to 30 mins as well or was it always that.
I always that the 16a were just garage positioning journeys anyway.
This timetable from September 2012 shows the evening frequency was every 30 minutes.
http://nxbus.co.uk/files/NXWestMids/current_timetables/B016_02Sep12.pdf
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 25, 2018, 06:43:11 PM
That's a bit crafty and sneaky of them no mention on the nx site has the evening service been reduced to 30 mins as well or was it always that.
I always that the 16a were just garage positioning journeys anyway.
Evenings have been every 30 for a while. Most routes are tbh
Still seeing 16 branded vehicles at Scott Arms though, this morning saw 2 not in service heading up Walsall Road but beyond the turn for Rocky Lane to get to Hamstead so don't know where they were going if not to start 16A's
Quote from: Kevin on April 26, 2018, 07:56:11 AM
Evenings have been every 30 for a while. Most routes are tbh
Still seeing 16 branded vehicles at Scott Arms though, this morning saw 2 not in service heading up Walsall Road but beyond the turn for Rocky Lane to get to Hamstead so don't know where they were going if not to start 16A's
That is the dead route to Hamstead. Using the 16A route, only the first journey of the day inbound and last outbound are 16As now
The *new* driver of a Handsworth-bound 4825 (101) went the wrong way this afternoon; anecdote courtesy of my brother who was on that bus, and snapped a photo of the predicament.
As mentioned, the driver went the wrong way; instead of turning onto All Saints Street from Pitsford Street, he continued onto Crabtree Road, before pulling off a three-point turn on Paddocks Green.
I'll admit, it's not the best photo in the world; but I'm grateful for it nonetheless.
Quote from: John on April 26, 2018, 10:11:47 AM
That is the dead route to Hamstead. Using the 16A route, only the first journey of the day inbound and last outbound are 16As now
Interesting, been banned from Rocky Lane now?
Quote from: Kevin on April 26, 2018, 05:46:48 PM
Interesting, been banned from Rocky Lane now?
Rocky Lane was never the dead route to start service. it was down to the drivers choice that they used Rocky Lane. Some might still use it, don't think they are banned from it. I wouldn't do down there in a bus, it's hard enough in the car sometimes
Quote from: John on April 26, 2018, 05:54:00 PM
Rocky Lane was never the dead route to start service. it was down to the drivers choice that they used Rocky Lane. Some might still use it, don't think they are banned from it. I wouldn't do down there in a bus, it's hard enough in the car sometimes
Rocky Lane could do with a better bus service tbf, the 424 isn't the greatest, but as you say the road can be tight at times.
I would seriously doubt there would be enough passengers on rocky lane to sustain a commercial route without subsidy even the hourly 424 wouldn't survive.
7021 is out on the 952 displaying 52, well done PB...
Quote from: 37351ml on April 24, 2018, 10:27:43 PM
Why has the 16a service been reduced to just one service each way a day (04.25 Scott arms to city which is too early to be of any use to anyone) and a midnight departure from city. It means there is no direct link from Scott arms to hockley/ jewellery quarter any longer. It means a trek now along the newton road to catch the x51. Surely a couple of peak time services could have been retained for commuters and school kids.
The 16a was very quietly reduced with no mention on the website or the network West Midlands service changes.
In fact quite a few changes don't seem to be appearing on the NWM weekly email.
Kept so quiet in fact that I waited at the stop 2 days running for my regular 16a only to see e400s going past not in service, then I checked the timetable and saw why....
Quote from: Jack on April 25, 2018, 06:48:03 PM
That's an error then, it doesn't stop there inbound!
Re Monsal Road stop. So you are also saying our ticket machines are also wrong, as the stop, named Thornbridge Ave, between Longstone Rd and Great Barr baths is listed inbound. The bus stop has not had the number put on in error, there was another stop on Booths Farm Road that had it omitted, but has since had it added. Drivers have took the removal of the number as not stopping there
Quote from: John on April 29, 2018, 11:59:43 AM
Re Monsal Road stop. So you are also saying our ticket machines are also wrong, as the stop, named Thornbridge Ave, between Longstone Rd and Great Barr baths is listed inbound. The bus stop has not had the number put on in error, there was another stop on Booths Farm Road that had it omitted, but has since had it added. Drivers have took the removal of the number as not stopping there
Well some drivers stop there and some don't, if they are stopping there then TfWM are too blame. I knew something was not right when I noticed it at first.
4289 now back at PB freshly painted in red/white
Quote from: Jack on April 27, 2018, 03:25:50 PM
7021 is out on the 952 displaying 52, well done PB...
7030 out displaying 52 today too.
Quote from: Jack on April 30, 2018, 03:20:06 PM
7030 out displaying 52 today too.
4849 on way to City at Perry Barr dogs at about 4.45pm displaying 52A !
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 30, 2018, 05:26:03 PM
4849 on way to City at Perry Barr dogs at about 4.45pm displaying 52A !
I know, saw it leave Hassop Road with 52 up. Abit naughty that the displays still haven't all been updated.
Quote from: Jack on April 30, 2018, 06:39:16 PM
I know, saw it leave Hassop Road with 52 up. Abit naughty that the displays still haven't all been updated.
I'm just wondering if the 952's introduction was rushed ?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 30, 2018, 07:12:21 PM
I'm just wondering if the 952's introduction was rushed ?
And me. Still nice seeing buses displaying 52 though.
Not rushed at all. All it is, is drivers not getting the Hannover updated before leaving garage in the morning. They are not checking that 952 is on there. I for one always check it, even though 67 is always on there just st to make sure the 3 displays work
Quote from: John on April 30, 2018, 08:34:51 PM
Not rushed at all. All it is, is drivers not getting the Hannover updated before leaving garage in the morning. They are not checking that 952 is on there. I for one always check it, even though 67 is always on there just st to make sure the 3 displays work
4849 never came out in the morning though...
Quote from: Jack on April 30, 2018, 08:39:52 PM
4849 never came out in the morning though...
Whenever they leave garage
Why is the 28E to Short Heath now being ran by an SWB E200? Surely there are other buses that can be used as it gets good loadings. Unless the board has changed, it is board 908/09 meaning it is carrying peak passengers on a very busy route because of its low frequency.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on May 01, 2018, 06:43:25 PM
Why is the 28E to Short Heath now being ran by an SWB E200? Surely there are other buses that can be used as it gets good loadings. Unless the board has changed, it is board 908/09 meaning it is carrying peak passengers on a very busy route because of its low frequency.
Not on 907/09 anymore. Wondering if it is on the Cap Gemini as the afternoon 907A is not on CG anymore
Quote from: John on May 01, 2018, 08:54:24 PM
Not on 907/09 anymore. Wondering if it is on the Cap Gemini as the afternoon 907A is not on CG anymore
It's on the 890 board, not 908 as quoted
4282 having a day on the 952, take it that it's still non-fixed allocated?
4800 on the X3/4/5.
4490 - 952
1930 out displaying 52, instead of 952...
Quote from: Jack on May 05, 2018, 02:39:48 PM
1930 out displaying 52, instead of 952...
This is getting boring now...
4696 - 33
Quote from: Dom on May 05, 2018, 03:09:00 PM
This is getting boring now...
While valid, it is also worth still pointing it out because of how different the routes are
There's an E400 currently out on the 33 with its front offside indicator not working.
Quote from: Jack on May 06, 2018, 08:23:23 PM
There's an E400 currently out on the 33 with its front offside indicator not working.
Did you tell the driver?
Quote from: Dom on May 06, 2018, 08:44:12 PM
Did you tell the driver?
I wasn't on the bus, I passed it in the car, couldn't get the fleetnumber but was a branded bus.
A 44** Gemini left City displaying 94C Ward End
Quote from: CL on May 08, 2018, 06:13:04 PM
A 44** Gemini left City displaying 94C Ward End
The afternoon 94c is run by PB as the morning one is a BC bus
Quote from: Squiz1971 on May 08, 2018, 06:52:11 PM
The afternoon 94c is run by PB as the morning one is a BC bus
My point was that it left the City Centre with 94C on its display. The 94C doesn't go into the City, nor (as far as I'm aware) does any journeys leave the City.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on May 08, 2018, 06:52:11 PM
The afternoon 94c is run by PB as the morning one is a BC bus
No, afternoon is operated by BC.
Its operated by a platinum, that then goes dead via the A4040 and A45 to the Airport from Ward End and onto the X1.
It wouldn't have been on the 94C at about 6PM in the evening either and the 94C doesn't go to the City Centre
@Squiz1971 .
Quote from: CL on May 08, 2018, 07:01:12 PM
My point was that it left the City Centre with 94C on its display. The 94C doesn't go into the City, nor (as far as I'm aware) does any journeys leave the City.
I have seen a 94C before now when I used to catch the bus at Saltley Gate home, these were either PB Gem or ALX400 B7TL and at around 6pm which was followed by a full route 94. This was around this time last year though so maybe they have changed the garage since??
@CL &
@2206
Quote from: Squiz1971 on May 08, 2018, 07:18:04 PM
I have seen a 94C before now when I used to catch the bus at Saltley Gate home, these were either PB Gem or ALX400 B7TL and at around 6pm which was followed by a full route 94. This was around this time last year though so maybe they have changed the garage since?? @CL & @2206
Fair play. I've never seen the 94C before, though I am aware of its existence. No trips from city is timetabled, is all.
Anyone know if 6804 is still out on the 16?
Quote from: Squiz1971 on May 08, 2018, 07:18:04 PM
I have seen a 94C before now when I used to catch the bus at Saltley Gate home, these were either PB Gem or ALX400 B7TL and at around 6pm which was followed by a full route 94. This was around this time last year though so maybe they have changed the garage since?? @CL & @2206
Its a school service from John Henry Newman School in Chelmsley Wood to Ward End, why would it be operating at 6PM?
The servce started last June and there have been no timetabled trips at 6PM or to Saltley since it started.
Timetable on the NX website shows it is valid from 4th June -
http://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/current_timetables/2017-timetables/4th-June/B094C_04Jun2017.pdf
Garage Change? BC have operated the PM 94C since the service started.
Quote from: Brummie45 on June 07, 2017, 07:52:18 PM
BC do the 94C in the afternoon
Quote from: 2206 on May 08, 2018, 08:17:05 PM
Its a school service from John Henry Newman School in Chelmsley Wood to Ward End, why would it be operating at 6PM?
The servce started last June and there have been no timetabled trips at 6PM or to Saltley since it started.
Timetable on the NX website shows it is valid from 4th June -
http://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/current_timetables/2017-timetables/4th-June/B094C_04Jun2017.pdf
Garage Change? BC have operated the PM 94C since the service started.
I never said it was to Saltley
@2206 I was saying I have seen a 94C to Ward End Fox & Goose at around 6pm unless the driver was on a 94E to the Fox from town & the only option is the 94C or the driver put up the wrong service
Quote from: Squiz1971 on May 08, 2018, 08:33:06 PM
I never said it was to Saltley @2206 I was saying I have seen a 94C to Ward End Fox & Goose at around 6pm unless the driver was on a 94E to the Fox from town & the only option is the 94C or the driver put up the wrong service
The driver probably put the wrong destination up on the display, there's a timetabled 18:10 94E to Ward End from the City Centre.
They've got 94E Ward End on the displays.
Just to correct you 94c is operated by perry barr both am & pm normally by the same driver in the morning as the afternoon.
7000 series Scania on the 94C this morning.
Quote from: Steveminor on May 09, 2018, 12:21:51 AM
Just to correct you 94c is operated by perry barr both am & pm normally by the same driver in the morning as the afternoon.
Thanks, for the info. Must have changed rather recently (though its been a few weeks since I last saw the BC bus on there now).
Has the Sunday allocation on the 94 also changed recently as well, it used to be Platinums, but it seems to have been Gemini operated for the past few Sundays with no Platinums on there?
I believe so
There was a 44** Gemini on the 33 today.
Quote from: Jack on May 22, 2018, 10:09:09 PM
There was a 44** Gemini on the 33 today.
As there is most days
Quote from: John on May 22, 2018, 10:21:19 PM
As there is most days
As are ALX400's which are still deemed noteworthy.
Any inside gossip on the new site yet?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 23, 2018, 06:20:05 PM
Any inside gossip on the new site yet?
Yes thank you, but it has to stay 'inside gossip' until officially announced
Is it in the same area, at least ;)
A new site has been found, I've been told where it is by drivers I know. However I won't say where.
Quote from: Brummie45 on May 24, 2018, 12:06:48 PM
A new site has been found, I've been told where it is by drivers I know. However I won't say where.
Then keep quiet. No one likes a bragging 'I know and you don't know'. It sounds so childish.
Are the new premises going to be bigger than the current site & if so, will any routes be moved out of other depots into there, eg would the Walsall operated routes 934, 935, 936, 937, 937a & 997 be moved out to the new depot?
(For those of you with long memories, previous incarnations of these routes(995, 996, 997) were operated by PB, before moving to Walsall!)
Quote from: Westy on May 24, 2018, 08:22:53 PM
(For those of you with long memories, previous incarnations of these routes(995, 996, 997) were operated by PB, before moving to Walsall!)
Those with even longer memories will recall that the predecessors to the 995 etc (155, 157, 158) were operated from Walsall before moving to Perry Barr - this group of services have changed hands a bit.
Quote from: Westy on May 24, 2018, 08:22:53 PM
Are the new premises going to be bigger than the current site & if so, will any routes be moved out of other depots into there, eg would the Walsall operated routes 934, 935, 936, 937, 937a & 997 be moved out to the new depot?
Why would they do that?
Quote from: Westy on May 24, 2018, 08:22:53 PM
Are the new premises going to be bigger than the current site & if so, will any routes be moved out of other depots into there, eg would the Walsall operated routes 934, 935, 936, 937, 937a & 997 be moved out to the new depot?
(For those of you with long memories, previous incarnations of these routes(995, 996, 997) were operated by PB, before moving to Walsall!)
Quote from: Straightlines on May 24, 2018, 10:20:14 PM
Why would they do that?
Doubt it. Then the new garage would be operating Voith alongside ZF MMCs.
Quote from: CL on May 24, 2018, 10:22:10 PM
Doubt it. Then the new garage would be operating Voith alongside ZF MMCs.
Quite - as well as an increase in mileage costs or potential rework of the timetable to make it feasible.
Quote from: CL on May 24, 2018, 10:22:10 PM
Doubt it. Then the new garage would be operating Voith alongside ZF MMCs.
No different to Coventry operating voith and ZF tridents and AG (and YW) operating voith E200 MMCs as well ZF E400 MMCs, not to mention both ZF and Voith B7TL at AG. So don't see why it'd be any different...
Quote from: lauren1993 on May 26, 2018, 04:56:33 AM
No different to Coventry operating voith and ZF tridents and AG (and YW) operating voith E200 MMCs as well ZF E400 MMCs, not to mention both ZF and Voith B7TL at AG. So don't see why it'd be any different...
Think this was the reason why -
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on September 13, 2017, 10:03:49 PM
Ahhhh Elementary my dear Watson. It was due to the wheel rims required different equipment so to save on having the equipment at multiple garage they decided to install at three garages rather than six which is cheaper.
There was an empty SWB E200 parked up on Lancaster Street earlier today at 12:00, does anyone know what it was doing.
Unusual to see a SWB E200 in the City Centre on a Saturday.
I was to far away to identify it, does anyone know which one it was?
Quote from: 2206 on May 26, 2018, 04:38:17 PM
There was an empty SWB E200 parked up on Lancaster Street earlier today at 12:00, does anyone know what it was doing.
Unusual to see a SWB E200 in the City Centre on a Saturday.
I was to far away to identify it, does anyone know which one it was?
733. I was on my way from Walsall to Acocks Green with it and all the paperwork was in my desk in Lancaster Circus for it
Quote from: Tony on May 26, 2018, 04:46:55 PM
733. I was on my way from Walsall to Acocks Green with it and all the paperwork was in my desk in Lancaster Circus for it
Thanks for the info, I thought it didn't look like, 751 - 764 and looked like one of 733 - 4, so was even more surprised to see it parked up there.
4494 - 33
Quote from: Jack on May 26, 2018, 05:38:32 PM
4494 - 33
There are 2. No need to note them as they are on there every day
Quote from: John on May 26, 2018, 06:00:34 PM
There are 2. No need to note them as they are on there every day
Does that include ALX400's or are they still classed 'Noteworthy'?
Quote from: Jack on May 26, 2018, 06:13:50 PM
Does that include ALX400's or are they still classed 'Noteworthy'?
You do know that Gemini's are different to alx 400 B7TL don't you?
Quote from: Jack on May 26, 2018, 06:13:50 PM
Does that include ALX400's or are they still classed 'Noteworthy'?
I would say yes. 99% of the time Geminis are used in place of an Enviro400
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 26, 2018, 06:19:13 PM
You do know that Gemini's are different to alx 400 B7TL don't you?
Both are B7TL's! Just different bodyworks!
4781 was seen on the back of a tow truck around 11ish yesterday
Quote from: Nxwm on June 06, 2018, 08:42:24 AM
4781 was seen on the back of a tow truck around 11ish yesterday
It'll be off to PVS
Quote from: Tony on June 06, 2018, 09:04:47 AM
It'll be off to PVS
any chance 4777-4780 can go with it ?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on June 06, 2018, 05:52:14 PM
any chance 4777-4780 can go with it ?
Why would they withdraw those buses for? I presume 4781 suffered severe damage and was not economically viable to replace?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 06, 2018, 06:34:51 PM
Why would they withdraw those buses for? I presume 4781 suffered severe damage and was not economically viable to replace?
They're noisy, uncomfortable, they vibrate like mad!
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 06, 2018, 06:34:51 PM
Why would they withdraw those buses for? I presume 4781 suffered severe damage and was not economically viable to replace?
It did. Suffered severe damage in an RTA in Hamstead, the front platform is completely destroyed. Shame to see it go.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on June 06, 2018, 06:50:53 PM
They're noisy, uncomfortable, they vibrate like mad!
And this is what makes them special, by comparison to the grey porridge that makes up 95% of the PB fleet. Long may the Scanias roll!
Quote from: The Real 4778 on June 09, 2018, 09:44:34 AM
And this is what makes them special, by comparison to the grey porridge that makes up 95% of the PB fleet. Long may the Scanias roll!
Even though I agree with you about the Omnicitys being special, what is grey porridge at PB? The Platinums?
Quote from: Jack on June 09, 2018, 09:58:15 AM
Even though I agree with you about the Omnicitys being special, what is grey porridge at PB? The Platinums?
To be fair, there are still ALX and Gemini Volvos at PB, so it isn't the Trident desert that comprises much of the region ;)
@2206 Nothing unusual about OmniLinks on the 65 or 67. The later boards out of garage get them regularly as we run out of fit for service deckers
Quote from: John on June 18, 2018, 03:51:55 PM
@2206 Nothing unusual about OmniLinks on the 65 or 67. The later boards out of garage get them regularly as we run out of fit for service deckers
Thanks for the info, didn't know that and hadn't seen a 65/7 for some time till today, and they're not on the spreadsheet either.
Any news your allowed to share on the new site yet
A few non Platinums on the Suttons today. 4491 and another on the X4s and 4854 on X14s
Not really sure where to post this but guess I'll post it here:
Yesterday while I was waiting for a bus on Bull Street, 6820 turned up on the 907 but it had to wait as 6737? Was loading up already at the stop. As soon as 6820 emptied its passengers it pulled away still in service, until it got to the top of Bull Street and a load of waiting passengers was shouting for the bus to stop, a man (who was waiting for the 907) was walking out to the bus to try and tell the driver there was people waiting at the bus stop. He was too late as the lights went to green and the bus started moving. A few people tried chasing the bus but had no luck.
I'm pretty sure
@Steve3229vp will agree with me that 907 can (most of the time) never get into its stop as the X51's block and the 33/51's make it hard to get behind the X51's too. I can fully agree about the 907 moving, the 952 can most of the time never get into its stop either because of the 33's and 51's.
Quote from: Jack on June 24, 2018, 11:41:53 AM
Not really sure where to post this but guess I'll post it here:
Yesterday while I was waiting for a bus on Bull Street, 6820 turned up on the 907 but it had to wait as 6737? Was loading up already at the stop. As soon as 6820 emptied its passengers it pulled away still in service, until it got to the top of Bull Street and a load of waiting passengers was shouting for the bus to stop, a man (who was waiting for the 907) was walking out to the bus to try and tell the driver there was people waiting at the bus stop. He was too late as the lights went to green and the bus started moving. A few people tried chasing the bus but had no luck.
I'm pretty sure @Steve3229vp will agree with me that 907 can (most of the time) never get into its stop as the X51's block and the 33/51's make it hard to get behind the X51's too. I can fully agree about the 907 moving, the 952 can most of the time never get into its stop either because of the 33's and 51's.
I agree, I'd move the 907 with the 934-7, 997/E routes, I know the stop is busy but the current stop with the X51 is just too tight and is virtually at the lights
Quote from: Steve3229vp on June 24, 2018, 11:48:37 AM
I agree, I'd move the 907 with the 934-7, 997/E routes, I know the stop is busy but the current stop with the X51 is just too tight and is virtually at the lights
I'd move the 952 as well, can never get into the stop with the 33's and 51's. It's either move them to the Streetly/997 Stop or let the 907 and 952 share their own stop, but they will never happen as they aren't that important.
Quote from: Jack on June 24, 2018, 11:41:53 AM
Not really sure where to post this but guess I'll post it here:
Yesterday while I was waiting for a bus on Bull Street, 6820 turned up on the 907 but it had to wait as 6737? Was loading up already at the stop. As soon as 6820 emptied its passengers it pulled away still in service, until it got to the top of Bull Street and a load of waiting passengers was shouting for the bus to stop, a man (who was waiting for the 907) was walking out to the bus to try and tell the driver there was people waiting at the bus stop. He was too late as the lights went to green and the bus started moving. A few people tried chasing the bus but had no luck.
I'm pretty sure @Steve3229vp will agree with me that 907 can (most of the time) never get into its stop as the X51's block and the 33/51's make it hard to get behind the X51's too. I can fully agree about the 907 moving, the 952 can most of the time never get into its stop either because of the 33's and 51's.
It does feel like, in the midst of Platinum upgrades and 952 changes, that the 907 has been forgotten about
I'll be honest, I'm regularly having the opposite issue, X51 can't get into the stop because of the 907
The problem is simply too many vehicles having to stop, pushing all bus routes to the edge of the city centre was such a badly thought through idea
Quote from: Kevin on June 24, 2018, 01:53:34 PM
The problem is simply too many vehicles having to stop, pushing all bus routes to the edge of the city centre was such a badly thought through idea
Be careful what you say, a certain orange high viz will be calling you bitter, it was 6 years ago remember!
Personally I'd go as far as to say it was the worst ever decision made about our public transport system...
Quote from: V89MOA on June 24, 2018, 02:09:01 PM
Be careful what you say, a certain orange high viz will be calling you bitter, it was 6 years ago remember!
Personally I'd go as far as to say it was the worst ever decision made about our public transport system...
I far by agree! All of the City Centre's bus network was great until it was all destroyed/messed around with 6 years back now.
Quote from: V89MOA on June 24, 2018, 02:09:01 PM
Be careful what you say, a certain orange high viz will be calling you bitter, it was 6 years ago remember!
Personally I'd go as far as to say it was the worst ever decision made about our public transport system...
It's Birmingham City Council & TfWM that are responsible for pushing buses further out of the City Centre in favour of the Metro, know one else.
As a result, you have more routes needing to use the same stops, with bus passengers now having to walk further from the shops to get their bus, which isn't good during the winter months
I 100% agree with both of you, said person I was referring to told me off on here for slating the holy tfwm before! You also have a worse environment for connections now, including less time to spare when changing from one bus to another as you're walking longer, and bus shelters that might as well be Windows!
The thing is if you guys think the 907/X51 stop is bad now, you'll love it when Lower Bull St is closed off too to make way for the Eastside extension, granted I don't think it has been approved yet but we all know it will be and then it will get really interesting...
Quote from: V89MOA on June 24, 2018, 05:07:03 PM
I 100% agree with both of you, said person I was referring to told me off on here for slating the holy tfwm before! You also have a worse environment for connections now, including less time to spare when changing from one bus to another as you're walking longer, and bus shelters that might as well be Windows!
The thing is if you guys think the 907/X51 stop is bad now, you'll love it when Lower Bull St is closed off too to make way for the Eastside extension, granted I don't think it has been approved yet but we all know it will be and then it will get really interesting...
I will agree connecting from bus to another for some services (not all) can be a real annoyance. The bus shelters are awful, all you can do is lean, not sit down!
I completely forgot about the Eastside extension, hopefully it doesn't get approved after all the realignments around there meaning more roads closed off. If it does get approved then more confusion, delays and mayhem is going to be expected 😒
I can see the Lower Bull Street services shoved to a Priory Queensway, as if that interchange isn't already a joke.
P.S. I'm sure TfWM have wasted more than enough money on new bus shelters around the West Midlands that are missing walls so they can just a fit a poxy advert board up, and replacing busy bus shelters with pole stops, cough Perry Barr, Station Bridge cough.
They like to change shelters to add a waste of money tv advertisers and expose the poor people of Kingswinford to the elements... it's like the debacle what was wrong with the original 902/4/5? I liked the fact that Dudley is the only area holding on to 200 numbers. TfWM is trying so hard to become TfL. Next thing on the list EVERY bus route is a contract! And I don't think diamond/Igo will be happy having to paint their Vehicles into two tone red... TfWM will probably have to give money to the companies to get the repaints done. And then you have the cleaner emissions area being planned because of the EU said Birmingham is quite polluted? Brexit is happening so why listen to the EU...
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on June 24, 2018, 05:34:03 PM
They like to change shelters to add a waste of money tv advertisers and expose the poor people of Kingswinford to the elements... it's like the debacle what was wrong with the original 902/4/5? I liked the fact that Dudley is the only area holding on to 200 numbers. TfWM is trying so hard to become TfL. Next thing on the list EVERY bus route is a contract! And I don't think diamond/Igo will be happy having to paint their Vehicles into two tone red... TfWM will probably have to give money to the companies to get the repaints done. And then you have the cleaner emissions area being planned because of the EU said Birmingham is quite polluted? Brexit is happening so why listen to the EU...
Cleaner emissions is CLEARLY a good thing for everyone in these areas so can't see what you are complaining about there. The fact certain companies still get away with running clapped out buses in 2018 is the biggest joke, just like the 1990s all over again with the Nationals.
They just need to ban cars from Birmingham city centre and that will solve the problem of pollution much quicker.
Most of the issue with pushing buses out of the core centre has been with where they've gone, for the most now terminating around the Queensway and only serving the small part of the city centre surrounding where they come in.
Previously there were loads of routes that headed deeper in and round so there were less "main" stops where every man and his dog boards (ie Bull Street with the services in question) - god forbid there was even the cross city 66 that had steady on and off flows of passengers throughout between Aston Uni and 5 ways
Quote from: Jack on June 24, 2018, 05:15:16 PM
P.S. I'm sure TfWM have wasted more than enough money on new bus shelters around the West Midlands that are missing walls so they can just a fit a poxy advert board up, and replacing busy bus shelters with pole stops, cough Perry Barr, Station Bridge cough.
I have been informed in an email (after I complained through the official channels about that particular stop) that it is only temporary and will be replaced by a full bus stop at some point
Quote from: Kevin on June 24, 2018, 05:55:10 PM
I have been informed in an email (after I complained through the official channels about that particular stop) that it is only temporary and will be replaced by a full bus stop at some point
Temporary? It's been there for 2/3 months now! I wonder how long we will wait until a new shelter is finally in place. I was waiting at that stop on Friday to realise there wasn't a printed timetable sheet at all! I've noticed in the last few weeks that a new shelter has been installed at the Newtown Shopping Centre Stop waiting to be used as the temporary stop is still in use for the time been.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on June 24, 2018, 05:34:03 PM
TfWM is trying so hard to become TfL. Next thing on the list EVERY bus route is a contract! And I don't think diamond/Igo will be happy having to paint their Vehicles into two tone red... TfWM will probably have to give money to the companies to get the repaints done.
What a load of rubbish!!! Sorry
@SL 16 YPN, I normally respect what you say but that is just rubbish. You've got no evidence to back this up, the fact that you're commenting on tenders and amount of tenders proves this. Also when did liveries come into it? That has not been mentioned once, finally why would they choose a livery that is related to an existing company, in National Express.
Quote from: V89MOA on June 24, 2018, 02:09:01 PM
Be careful what you say, a certain orange high viz will be calling you bitter, it was 6 years ago remember!
Personally I'd go as far as to say it was the worst ever decision made about our public transport system...
I'm going to be frank here. You're bitching is just childish. It was 6 years ago, that is a simple fact, and buses were probably going to be moved off Corporation Street anyway as the network has expanded and it wouldn't of been able to cope with the capacity.
Personally, I do believe that the public transport network around Birmingham City Centre is far improved now, even if passengers do have to walk to make connections. You complain about termini being away from shops/public transport connections yet you go to Wolverhampton or Dudley, the shops/high streets are still walking distance and buses are not stopping near to them. The only main terminus point that is close to shops is Merry Hill and even the intu don't want the station!
Quote from: Jack on June 24, 2018, 02:40:29 PM
I far by agree! All of the City Centre's bus network was great until it was all destroyed/messed around with 6 years back now.
Elaborate on how it was destroyed/messed around with? It was changed and adapted for the better, bringing better links and extensions to Birmingham.
Quote from: Jack on June 24, 2018, 05:15:16 PM
P.S. I'm sure TfWM have wasted more than enough money on new bus shelters around the West Midlands that are missing walls so they can just a fit a poxy advert board up, and replacing busy bus shelters with pole stops, cough Perry Barr, Station Bridge cough.
Wasted money on new bus shelters? Are you saying you would like an old plastic Centro coloured 'shelter' or one with a roof and backing panels? Missing walls so they can put an advert up? Well the piece of paper isn't going to dangle unprotected, so the plastic casing is effectively forming a wall?
As stated in the past, unless it is a temporary change, a full review of the stop is carried out. I should know, I've done them!
I've got to be honest, all the TfWM slating here is just pointless. Service changes, in majority, are done by the operator. The Metro extension was combined between BCC and TfWM, bringing it more into the city centre, which has proven to be successful by the revenue it is bringing in.
@Dom interesting article in modern railway stating blue metro orange/purple trains and two tone red buses
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on June 24, 2018, 09:55:59 PM
@Dom interesting article in modern railway stating blue metro orange/purple trains and two tone red buses
Not gospel though. I've never even seen that West Midlands Buses logo if I'm honest.
Quote from: Dom on June 24, 2018, 09:37:39 PM
I'm going to be frank here. You're bitching is just childish. It was 6 years ago, that is a simple fact, and buses were probably going to be moved off Corporation Street anyway as the network has expanded and it wouldn't of been able to cope with the capacity.
Personally, I do believe that the public transport network around Birmingham City Centre is far improved now, even if passengers do have to walk to make connections. You complain about termini being away from shops/public transport connections yet you go to Wolverhampton or Dudley, the shops/high streets are still walking distance and buses are not stopping near to them. The only main terminus point that is close to shops is Merry Hill and even the intu don't want the station!
Okay let's get something straight here Dom, You're talking utter tripe and the figures quoted in the South Brum review topic also back that point up.... Bus usage has plummeted over the last few years and ask yourself why, I am not blaming everything on the metro but isn't it amazing the difference a few years has made in Birmingham, in exchange for approx 1 million more metro trips p/a.... WAS IT REALLY WORTH IT?!!!! I'm also under the impression sales of the "NBus" ticket have dropped considerably over the last couple of years. As per usual you are talking a load of biased rubbish because you seem to think tfwm are the golden organization despite the fact that MANY users on here, not just me, have made valid points about some of the awful things they have done, are doing and will unfortunately continue to do. You completely shut out other peoples opinions and points to suit your own agenda and seem unable to accept that bad decisions have been taken which are still having a longterm effect on people today and will continue to do so for many years to come, try telling people who have changed their commute that I am being childish. You do not even live in Birmingham or have to use its network daily so how can you tell me it is improved when all you do is sit in a bus shelter and count how many people get on or off a bus...
Let me also address your other points... Dudley Bus station sits right next to the Churchill centre as well being a 1 minute walk from the main Market st so do not give me that rubbish that they stop nowhere near the shops. How many routes in Wolverhampton only stop at the bus station? You are completely forgetting that most routes also stop on either Cleveland St, Market St, Bilston St, Stafford St or Lichfield St, ALL of which border the main shopping area. COMPLETELY different to Birmingham City Centre where the majority of routes have 1 "Main" stop or a pinch point stop and turn back around again, with the exception of a couple that unload only at the markets. This is exactly the point Kevin made a few comments above (I notice how you haven't bothered to reply to his points either...) You are also missing the point that interchanging at such bus stations takes seconds as all of the bus stops are within metres of each other, unlike in Birmingham....
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on June 24, 2018, 09:55:59 PM
@Dom interesting article in modern railway stating blue metro orange/purple trains and two tone red buses
Slightly off topic, but do you have the adjacent page at all with the proposed Metro livery? Thanks.
Quote from: Dom on June 24, 2018, 09:37:39 PM
Personally, I do believe that the public transport network around Birmingham City Centre is far improved now, even if passengers do have to walk to make connections. You complain about termini being away from shops/public transport connections yet you go to Wolverhampton or Dudley, the shops/high streets are still walking distance and buses are not stopping near to them. The only main terminus point that is close to shops is Merry Hill and even the intu don't want the station!
Wolves and Dudley, with all respect, nowhere near as busy as Brum, not an easy comparison to make
Neither of them have a situation where 36 buses an hour have to share 3 stops as their main terminus on a 50 yard stretch of road with another similar number trying to get past to the Square Peg stops, all while having to wait for the 10 seconds of green light before a tram crawls past
Do the omnicities make it on the 907 during the week? Or randomly? Noted 4778 on 16
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 25, 2018, 09:09:29 PM
Do the omnicities make it on the 907 during the week? Or randomly? Noted 4778 on 16
Yes unfortunately they do, I was hoping they were going to route brand them for the 952 as there are 4 of them (952 PVR is 3-4) so i have much much better chance of not suffering them on the 907!
Quote from: Steve3229vp on June 25, 2018, 09:16:07 PM
Yes unfortunately they do, I was hoping they were going to route brand them for the 952 as there are of them (952 PVR is 3-4) so i have much much better chance of not suffering them on the 907!
They would be wasted on the 952. In the daytime, the OmniLinks are nearly empty
Quote from: John on June 25, 2018, 09:17:54 PM
They would be wasted on the 952. In the daytime, the OmniLinks are nearly empty
Given how much noise the Beeches lot made over the various changes to the 52 over the years I'm actually surprised at that.
Maybe it's time for a drastic change? Extend the route to somewhere useful? Cut it from town and just run it as a minibus service?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on June 25, 2018, 09:16:07 PM
Yes unfortunately they do, I was hoping they were going to route brand them for the 952 as there are 4 of them (952 PVR is 3-4) so i have much much better chance of not suffering them on the 907!
As much as I would love them on the 952, it doesn't need DD's. The 52/A was another story.
Quote from: Kevin on June 25, 2018, 09:31:55 PM
Given how much noise the Beeches lot made over the various changes to the 52 over the years I'm actually surprised at that.
Maybe it's time for a drastic change? Extend the route to somewhere useful? Cut it from town and just run it as a minibus service?
Not another bloody change to our route to the City, as if we've not had enough of that done during the last 9 years, and anyway more moaning from the folk round here. Personally my opinion would be extend the route, or really just bring back the 52 and 52A, these routes worked, then again as did the previous 52. The main downfall is the 952 has to do the loop. Turnberry Road is not suitable for buses in my opinion, just tight with all the parked cars. I think there is too many limited stop services between Perry Barr and Birmingham. The only things I can say is just leave the 952 as it is or bring the 52/A back, even though most of it was a little bit too much, like the 10 minute combined frequency down Beeches Road, didn't need that at all.
The original 52 never served Turnberry and Booths Farm until 2003? I recall when the 952 was suggested was suggested to serve Foden Road in the North Birmingham review a few years ago that residents from Turnberry Road were moaning when the 52 started using it that the vibrations of the buses were causing residents' garden walls to collapse.
761 has a crimson coloured front near side panel.
Can peeps disclose the new location yet
@Jack Nothing unusual whatsoever about a decker on the 46. One bus does a school service and is nearly always a decker
Quote from: John on July 19, 2018, 04:44:22 PM
@Jack
Nothing unusual whatsoever about a decker on the 46. One bus does a school service and is nearly always a decker
Fair enough - haven't seen a Decker appear for quite a while.
4501 on the X4s. Quite usual for a weekend but thought I'd say if anyone wants a recent transfer
4507 on 94s
4500/4502 at least are on 65/7s too
Quote from: John on July 21, 2018, 11:03:31 AM
4501 on the X4s. Quite usual for a weekend but thought I'd say if anyone wants a recent transfer
4507 on 94s
4500/4502 at least are on 65/7s too
4504, 4505 and 4506 are all also on the 94.
Re. single deckers on Suttons. There is a diversion around Erdington so all X4 and X14s are OmniLink operated today
Quote from: John on July 22, 2018, 10:22:10 AM
Re. single deckers on Suttons. There is a diversion around Erdington so all X4 and X14s are OmniLink operated today
On the day the trains are down, genius. 110's are deckers. They're cleaning up!
Quote from: John on July 22, 2018, 10:22:10 AM
Re. single deckers on Suttons. There is a diversion around Erdington so all X4 and X14s are OmniLink operated today
Nothing on NX Bus website about this. Network West Midlands says the X2 is being diverted: :D
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/disruptions/#/params?DisruptionType=true&when=All&TransportModeA=5#5061_Centro
Think they meant X5 ;)
Interesting that there appeared to be nothing using any sort of diversion about midday
Quote from: Kevin on July 22, 2018, 01:48:01 PM
Interesting that there appeared to be nothing using any sort of diversion about midday
Something was going on as the diversion was lifted around half 3. Don't know if it was an emergency diversion as it was not on our diversion notice board
With the transfer out of the B7/ALX to AG replaced by 4500-7/33/4 Perry Barr is now down to single figures for buses not in the latest livery. Just 761-4 and 4777-80 left
Is the crimson livery going to continue since TfWM announcement
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/523298/
Shuttle service between Made, Perry Park and Digbeth Coach Station.
Looks like NX will be operating this on Saturday evening.
"BY BUS
We HIGHLY recommend our MADE Festival shuttle bus service
Please follow the signs for shuttle buses upon exiting the event
Our shuttle buses will run from Perry Park to Digbeth Coach Station starting from 20:30 until 23:00
Single tickets cost £4.50 and are available NOW"
"A very limited train service runs from Perry Bar Station from 8pm
The last trains leave at 22:27, 22:53, 23:27 and 23:53
Plan your jounrney in advance with National Rail
We would recommend using the MADE Shuttle Bus service instead of trains"
http://www.made-festival.co.uk/travel
4477 & 4780? on X3/X4/X5
I've posted it here as I wasn't sure whether it was noteworthy.
Quote from: Rob2832 on July 31, 2018, 10:47:57 AM
4477 & 4780? on X3/X4/X5
I've posted it here as I wasn't sure whether it was noteworthy.
Not really noteworthy anymore. Other buses appear quite regularly
Quote from: Rob2832 on July 31, 2018, 10:47:57 AM
4477 & 4780? on X3/X4/X5
I've posted it here as I wasn't sure whether it was noteworthy.
Yes, it is 4780.
When does PB garage close on Wellhead Lane.
4291 is out on a 65 board this afternoon. I believe only this and 4280 are still with us. Although I have not seen 4280 for a while so it may be elsewhere
Quote from: John on August 02, 2018, 05:23:21 PM
4291 is out on a 65 board this afternoon. I believe only this and 4280 are still with us. Although I have not seen 4280 for a while so it may be elsewhere
4280 is at Hartshornes
6798 on 94 board today just seen on Washwood Heath Road towards Chelemsley Wood
Just seen a price branded germini on the 94 chelemsly direction
Quote from: Hammad on August 03, 2018, 05:53:39 PM
Just seen a price branded germini on the 94 chelemsly direction
4533 or 4534. They are ours now, transferred last month
Quote from: John on August 03, 2018, 05:56:40 PM
4533 or 4534. They are ours now, transferred last month
ok never knew that
I'm hearing there are to be changes to the sutton services from September any truth in this?
no truth at all
Quote from: Nxwm on August 06, 2018, 10:50:26 PM
I'm hearing there are to be changes to the sutton services from September any truth in this?
Going back to non holiday timetable
@MasterPlan,
It's a very common sight to see the spare Platinums on the 907.
Quote from: Jack on August 08, 2018, 09:15:54 AM
@MasterPlan,
It's a very common sight to see the spare Platinums on the 907.
I know on Monday 6811 was on it
Quote from: Jack on August 08, 2018, 09:15:54 AM
@MasterPlan,
It's a very common sight to see the spare Platinums on the 907.
Well hopefully the 907 gets renumbered soon to the 15 for the sake of simplicity...
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 09, 2018, 06:15:54 AM
Well hopefully the 907 gets renumbered soon to the 15 for the sake of simplicity...
The 952 may as well be included for simplicity...
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 09, 2018, 06:15:54 AM
Well hopefully the 907 gets renumbered soon to the 15 for the sake of simplicity...
Quote from: Jack on August 09, 2018, 08:52:54 AM
The 952 may as well be included for simplicity...
We get the point you two don't like the new numbers but please leave such pettiness for the actual review threads, north Brum will no doubt get its time when such things can be discussed
Has 4528 been transferred over to us too or is it just on loan
Quote from: Hammad on August 10, 2018, 05:42:32 PM
Has 4528 been transferred over to us too or is it just on loan
Is this one even at PB anymore?
It was on loan a few weeks back.
Quote from: 2206 on August 10, 2018, 06:17:45 PM
Is this one even at PB still?
It was on loan a few weeks back.
No. It is an old picture, 4th July it is dated
There was a 70XX Omnilink on the 38 and FD yesterday. 7027(?)
It was always a B7TL ALX400 Monday to Friday whenever I saw it, is it Gemini operated now?
Saw it on the FD entering the City Centre at about 5PM yesterday evening.
Quote from: 2206 on August 11, 2018, 10:29:11 PM
There was a 70XX Omnilink on the 38 and FD yesterday. 7027(?)
Its usually B7TL ALX400 Monday to Friday, I think?
Saw it on the FD entering the City Centre at about 5PM yesterday evening.
Haven't PB lost all their ALX's now? Or at least almost all of them. Probably why it's different bus type now.
Quote from: Gareth on August 11, 2018, 10:41:48 PM
Haven't PB lost all their ALX's now? Or at least almost all of them. Probably why it's different bus type now.
It was ALX400 operated until mid July, i've not seen whats replaced them, possibly but would have thought it'd be Gemini operated now? If it is operated by Omnilinks now, would this just be for the Summer? It was said the deckers though empty in the day were needed so extra capacity can be provided on a school time trip?
Looked strange seeing a single decker on the FD, first one i've seen, its always been decker operated even when Green Bus and Thandi operated it, it was operated by deckers.
Quote from: 2206 on August 11, 2018, 10:45:56 PM
It was ALX400 operated until mid July, i've not seen whats replaced them, possibly but would have thought it'd be Gemini operated now? If it is operated by Omnilinks now, would this just be for the Summer? It was said the deckers though empty in the day were needed so extra capacity can be provided on a school time trip?
Looked strange seeing a single decker on the FD, first one i've seen, its always been decker operated even when Green Bus and Thandi operated it, it was operated by deckers.
Does the FD require Deckers?
Quote from: Jack on August 12, 2018, 11:38:43 AM
Does the FD require Deckers?
Yes from some I've seen
4503 is on the 67 today complete with a advert on the nearside stating "You won't find many castles in Castle Vale"
Will you be posting a pic
@Tony
@Jack Other buses are not noteworthy on the X4s at the minute. An E400 and at least 1 Gemini yesterday. The same on Monday too
Any non exciting news stuff to report in this thread yet?
A garage engineer politely informed me yesterday of the new site location which did surprise me. Are we still not allowed to say? Because I believe it's pretty much confirmed
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on September 15, 2018, 02:03:32 PM
A garage engineer politely informed me yesterday of the new site location which did surprise me. Are we still not allowed to say? Because I believe it's pretty much confirmed
Is it hockley haha
Arh go on , is it nearer or further away from the city centre?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on September 15, 2018, 02:03:32 PM
A garage engineer politely informed me yesterday of the new site location which did surprise me. Are we still not allowed to say? Because I believe it's pretty much confirmed
When it was first announced the PB was to close it was suggested it would close by. I live fairly close to PB and couldn't think of anywhere it could go !
Quote from: Steve3229vp on September 15, 2018, 04:15:04 PM
When it was first announced the PB was to close it was suggested it would close by. I live fairly close to PB and couldn't think of anywhere it could go !
What about that huge piece of wasteland opposite Wickes on Aldridge Road? That land is absolutely huge.
Quote from: Jack on September 15, 2018, 05:04:49 PM
What about that huge piece of wasteland opposite Wickes on Aldridge Road? That land is absolutely huge.
I asked a driver on the 907 about that land opposite Wickes and he said it wasn't big enough
The land opposite Wickes is a lot bigger than it looks as it goes behind the houses next to it. When you look at both the current garage and that land on Google Earth, the land is bigger than our garage now . See the attached picture, Curent garage in red at the bottom and the land opposite Wickes at the top. I have heard one of the sites rumoured but I would personally build it on this land
Nothing has been confirmed to us at the garage either
Quote from: John on September 15, 2018, 06:25:37 PM
The land opposite Wickes is a lot bigger than it looks as it goes behind the houses next to it. When you look at both the current garage and that land on Google Earth, the land is bigger than our garage now . See the attached picture, Curent garage in red at the bottom and the land opposite Wickes at the top. I have heard one of the sites rumoured but I would personally build it on this land
Nothing has been confirmed to us at the garage either
was it not supposed to be big enough land to take Perry Barr and Birmingham central due to hs2 affecting bc?
Quote from: karl724223 on September 15, 2018, 06:43:20 PM
was it not supposed to be big enough land to take Perry Barr and Birmingham central due to hs2 affecting bc?
You should know shouldn't you?
Quote from: karl724223 on September 15, 2018, 06:43:20 PM
was it not supposed to be big enough land to take Perry Barr and Birmingham central due to hs2 affecting bc?
I did hear that going about a while back and also another site that was going to be used, but not heard anything about it recently
Possibly a daft question, but would there have to be a planning application, which would presumably be in the public domain, for the new garage?
I'm not sure if it's officially confirmed but the guy was definently adamant that what he told me is going to happen. It's still going to be Wellhead lane if he's right
I did try and look on the council site and didn't see any planning applications
There's new units been built on the hub, witton. Not sure if they would be big enough to accommodate all of PBs fleet however
Quote from: Lukeee on September 17, 2018, 09:43:22 AM
There's new units been built on the hub, witton. Not sure if they would be big enough to accommodate all of PBs fleet however
Excuse my ignorance is the hub a totally different location and what's located there at the moment ?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 17, 2018, 12:55:25 PM
Excuse my ignorance is the hub a totally different location and what's located there at the moment ?
The Hub is pretty much the area all behind the current garage, that and the new Wholesale Markets take up the site of the old chemical works between the railway line, Wellhead Lane and Witton Lane
Thank you
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 17, 2018, 12:55:25 PM
Excuse my ignorance is the hub a totally different location and what's located there at the moment ?
Hub has TNT, Argos, Iron Mountain and Wholesale market. It's the old IMI site.
Over the past couple of days, I've noted Omnilinks making daily occurances on the 16. Coincidental or now a commonly used alternative to the allocated E400s?
1929 is on there today.
Quote from: CL on September 20, 2018, 09:45:23 AM
Over the past couple of days, I've noted Omnilinks making daily occurances on the 16. Coincidental or now a commonly used alternative to the allocated E400s?
1929 is on there today.
Wouldn't think so. Loadings from the markets wouldn't cope with OmniLinks
Quote from: John on September 20, 2018, 10:22:26 AM
Wouldn't think so. Loadings from the markets wouldn't cope with OmniLinks
I suppose so. Wouldn't think the loadings from major stops/timing points would help either. Caught 1874 yesterday from Hockley. Got very full, very fast as it entered Birmingham!
Back in late 2007 PB services 65 16 and 934/993 was converted to scania operation. The 16 did not last long and was soon converted back to Double deck.
1823 was branded
Quote from: PB2938 on September 20, 2018, 12:36:56 PM
Back in late 2007 PB services 65 16 and 934/993 was converted to scania operation this did not last long and was soon converted back to Double deck.
1823 was branded
Go back further the 16 had Mercs while run out of Hockley, sure they were branded as well
But that was when a lot of services served more of the city centre, now it is near enough just down to the 16 to carry that traffic
Quote from: Kevin on September 20, 2018, 12:40:35 PM
Go back further the 16 had Mercs while run out of Hockley, sure they were branded as well
But that was when a lot of services served more of the city centre, now it is near enough just down to the 16 to carry that traffic
Pretty sure there was no 16 branded Mercedes
Quote from: John on September 20, 2018, 01:34:13 PM
Pretty sure there was no 16 branded Mercedes
There was no. Mercedes at Hockley branded. Workings was just unusual. There was branded Volvo B7 ALX400
4265-4272
Mercedes branded at Hockley 1649-1707 batch
1651-1654 65
1660-1666 68
1673-1682 8
1693-1702 66
1703-1706 120
The static blinds that are currently featured on AG, BC, and YW have found their way to Perry Barr! Just passed an Omnilink on the 46 with the new displays.
1931 is on the 16 today
Quote from: CL on September 22, 2018, 04:26:48 PM
The static blinds that are currently featured on AG, BC, and YW have found their way to Perry Barr! Just passed an Omnilink on the 46 with the new displays.
just seen a ex Coventry germini on the 94 with the new display very good as people can see where the bus is travelling to
Quote from: Hammad on September 26, 2018, 03:55:48 PM
just seen a ex Coventry germini on the 94 with the new display very good as people can see where the bus is travelling to
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dearingbuspix/43969321542/in/photolist-28xhn1o-MJJ6RE-fzNZ9d-28FCATg-28YbANA-29ZqgqJ-29ZpQFU-P4SZrb
The old displays on the 94 always looked pretty clear to me and I never had a problem seeing where the bus was going to in my experience anyway. Iit'd just be the the "chelmsley wood" and "Birmingham" that'd have changed on the 94, the via points stopped alternating months ago now.
Quote from: CL on September 22, 2018, 04:26:48 PM
The static blinds that are currently featured on AG, BC, and YW have found their way to Perry Barr! Just passed an Omnilink on the 46 with the new displays.
How very disappointing. I was hoping it was just a phase.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 26, 2018, 05:31:09 PM
How very disappointing. I was hoping it was just a phase.
How? It's better they'll be no more Super X displays going round Perry Barr routes.
Quote from: Jack on September 26, 2018, 05:48:58 PM
How? It's better they'll be no more Super X displays going round Perry Barr routes.
And what's your issue with Super X?
Quote from: Dom on September 26, 2018, 05:52:29 PM
And what's your issue with Super X?
Ugly.
The 9 font looks horrible. So does the 6 font.
And the top destination line is so hard to see from a distance.
I personally think the static displays look way more smarter than Super X
Quote from: Jack on September 26, 2018, 05:48:58 PM
How? It's better they'll be no more Super X displays going round Perry Barr routes.
What exactly is a Super X display?
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 26, 2018, 06:40:16 PM
What exactly is a Super X display?
Super X is a function on the destination display software; essentially the function that allows for scrolling (or sometimes even static) messages on the display.
Quote from: CL on September 26, 2018, 07:09:03 PM
Super X is a function on the destination display software; essentially the function that allows for scrolling (or sometimes even static) messages on the display.
Oh, well it's much better than this static display malarkey.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 26, 2018, 07:18:29 PM
Oh, well it's much better than this static display malarkey.
Is this new display going to move to all garages eventually or will it just be kept at the Birmingham garages
Quote from: CL on September 26, 2018, 11:17:28 AM
1931 is on the 16 today
I'm sure I saw a 1906 on there as well today while getting of the 55 on the Priory Queensway at 10:00.
It seems to be becoming a regular occurrence now, whenever i'm in the City Centre I regularly see an Omnilink on the 16.
Quote from: 2206 on September 26, 2018, 08:26:14 PM
I'm sure I saw a 1906 on there as well today while getting of the 55 on the Priory Queensway at 10:00.
It seems to be becoming a regular occurrence now, whenever i'm in the City Centre I regularly see an Omnilink on the 16.
Yes there were at least 2 omnilinks on the 16. Inadequate if you ask me
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 26, 2018, 07:18:29 PM
Oh, well it's much better than this static display malarkey.
Personally, I'd beg to differ.
There seems to be much more versatility in creating static displays, such as the ability to produce atypical (yet, smart looking) display layouts.
last photo of 2164: http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/2001-2129/2164.html
2nd photo of 4960: http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4960.html
The Super-X function hinders this creative flair by leaving the editor with, what I'd consider, the bare minimum features - including preselected "fonts" that results in the (aforementioned) hideous-looking 6s and 9s. There is a function in the Hanover software that overrides my statement, however. The "fix" tool, which does exactly what it says, allows editors to freeze elements from the static mode for use in the Super-X mode.
see: https://flic.kr/p/purh4T (credit to Bus Buster UK) - where Diamond has "fixed" the route number and upper tier destination, whilst the bottom blind scrolls as it would with in Super-X mode.
At the end of the day, I guess the main priority of the operator is to tell passengers where they're going. Not that many take a glance to the destination, anyway! With many operators up and down the country using the Super-X mode, it hardly gives NX the individuality it deserves as a major independent operator.
On another note, when Super-X blinds were implemented across the NX network, buses new before 2012 appeared to have smaller top-tier destinations; compared to the buses delivered in and after 2012, which had much larger & more defined destinations. Save for a few anomalies, of course - as a result of retrofitted blinds. The best examples to prove this observation would be to look at the blinds on both the 61 & 13-reg Hybrids. Perhaps someone could better explain why, as I can't seem to express it aloud.
Quote from: CL on September 26, 2018, 10:02:00 PM
Personally, I'd beg to differ.
There seems to be much more versatility in creating static displays, such as the ability to produce atypical (yet, smart looking) display layouts.
last photo of 2164: http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/2001-2129/2164.html
2nd photo of 4960: http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4960.html
The Super-X function hinders this creative flair by leaving the editor with, what I'd consider, the bare minimum features - including preselected "fonts" that results in the (aforementioned) hideous-looking 6s and 9s. There is a function in the Hanover software that overrides my statement, however. The "fix" tool, which does exactly what it says, allows editors to freeze elements from the static mode for use in the Super-X mode.
see: https://flic.kr/p/purh4T (credit to Bus Buster UK) - where Diamond has "fixed" the route number and upper tier destination, whilst the bottom blind scrolls as it would with in Super-X mode.
At the end of the day, I guess the main priority of the operator is to tell passengers where they're going. Not that many take a glance to the destination, anyway! With many operators up and down the country using the Super-X mode, it hardly gives NX the individuality it deserves as a major independent operator.
On another note, when Super-X blinds were implemented across the NX network, buses new before 2012 appeared to have smaller top-tier destinations; compared to the buses delivered in and after 2012, which had much larger & more defined destinations. Save for a few anomalies, of course - as a result of retrofitted blinds. The best examples to prove this observation would be to look at the blinds on both the 61 & 13-reg Hybrids. Perhaps someone could better explain why, as I can't seem to express it aloud.
Exactly, that is the main priority. So it's better to show various via points rather than just one. I'd say just as many people get off during the journey as they do at the destination points, so they're just as important. Whether the 6s or 9s look bad is irrelevant. My point is the scrolling display offers more info to passengers rather than just "via Kings Heath" or "via Harborne". What good is that?
Quote from: Jack on September 26, 2018, 06:12:39 PM
Ugly.
The 9 font looks horrible. So does the 6 font.
And the top destination line is so hard to see from a distance.
I personally think the static displays look way more smarter than Super X
I really don't like the static displays. For the 76, the via destination is Kings Heath, what about Yardley Wood, Shirley, Selly Oak etc.?
Also the space between the numbers doesn't look right, especially with the heavy weight of font.
Super X has grown on me. I like the display in the 2nd photo down on 4960 - although I'm not sure that particular layout is used anymore
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 26, 2018, 10:34:19 PM
Exactly, that is the main priority. So it's better to show various via points rather than just one. I'd say just as many people get off during the journey as they do at the destination points, so they're just as important. Whether the 6s or 9s look bad is irrelevant. My point is the scrolling display offers more info to passengers rather than just "via Kings Heath" or "via Harborne". What good is that?
The aesthetic of the blind is just one factor; it certainly ties in with how an operator choose to put themselves across, in my opinion. (for instance: taking the time to curate their own blinds rather than rolling them out through basic, predesigned software - i.e. Super-X - if that makes sense; the "personal touch")
Good to see we're on the same page regarding prioritising information for the passengers' benefit. I agree with you also in the sense that its better to show more than one 'via' point, in order to convey more information. Admittedly, the newly programmed blinds aren't the best we've seen; though, one could argue that static displays are able to achieve the same - if programmed across say two, three, or even (on the odd occasion) four alternating "pages", if you will. In doing so, static blinds are also capable of providing the same amount of information as a scrolling blind. In my opinion, this really boils down to personal preference.
I know the recent replies in this thread, regarding destination blinds, have been focused on the LEDs presumably; in terms of flip-dots, static displays are the only choice... And they seem to have no complaints. Though, I suppose it is a different ball-game there.
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 26, 2018, 10:56:35 PM
I really don't like the static displays. For the 76, the via destination is Kings Heath, what about Yardley Wood, Shirley, Selly Oak etc.?
Also the space between the numbers doesn't look right, especially with the heavy weight of font.
Super X has grown on me. I like the display in the 2nd photo down on 4960 - although I'm not sure that particular layout is used anymore
The points you've raised here are quite understandable. Though, I'd be curious to know if you'd be as irked if the static displays (on the 76, or other routes) featured other key points along the route? I'll agree with you there that these new blinds aren't the best in the business. I, too, would appreciate the mentioning of other key points.
In fairness, since its implementation, Super-X has grown onto me as well! I do have a petty gripe regarding the decisions to keep switching between the two formats. Prior to Super-X being rolled out network-wide, I recall some comments regarding the fact that there is no "one standard style" across the region, when static displays were still the norm.
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 26, 2018, 10:56:35 PM
I really don't like the static displays. For the 76, the via destination is Kings Heath, what about Yardley Wood, Shirley, Selly Oak etc.?
Also the space between the numbers doesn't look right, especially with the heavy weight of font.
Super X has grown on me. I like the display in the 2nd photo down on 4960 - although I'm not sure that particular layout is used anymore
I agree with this entirely. I have noticed that with the numbers too. For instance, from reasonable a distance I can't tell if a display says X20 or X21 or even X22 at times because of the new font type. How is that clearer exactly? I don't see anything wrong with that example on 4960 either.
Quote from: CLThe aesthetic of the blind is just one factor; it certainly ties in with how an operator choose to put themselves across, in my opinion. (for instance: taking the time to curate their own blinds rather than rolling them out through basic, predesigned software - i.e. Super-X - if that makes sense; the "personal touch")
Good to see we're on the same page regarding prioritising information for the passengers' benefit. I agree with you also in the sense that its better to show more than one 'via' point, in order to convey more information. Admittedly, the newly programmed blinds aren't the best we've seen; though, one could argue that static displays are able to achieve the same - if programmed across say two, three, or even (on the odd occasion) four alternating "pages", if you will. In doing so, static blinds are also capable of providing the same amount of information as a scrolling blind. In my opinion, this really boils down to personal preference.
I know the recent replies in this thread, regarding destination blinds, have been focused on the LEDs presumably; in terms of flip-dots, static displays are the only choice... And they seem to have no complaints. Though, I suppose it is a different ball-game there
You can do it that way, with the display flicking between points but when I've seen this in the past they tend to take an age to flick to the next point and by then it's too late. Whereas the scrolling goes by quick enough to get through them all but not too quick for you not to be able to read them.
But anyway. The phrase 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' comes to mind.
I get the arguments here, but the issue I see with scrolling "via" points is that simply no one has time to read them, so what would be the point having them? Far better to have a static display to glance at
People don't catch buses by watching them all and seeing where they go, they catch them by knowing which route and which direction (ie end destination)
For more detailed information there's the bus stops, showing the timetable
On the topic of destination blinds, 4476 needs updating as it's just supposedly arrived into the City on the 52!
Taking a moment to think about it; are both the 52 and 952 programmed onto the blinds? If not, has the 952 been programmed u der the 52's route code on the Hanovers?
Any interesting stuff to report on here, like insider gossip on location of new depot ?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 28, 2018, 01:31:57 PM
Any interesting stuff to report on here, like insider gossip on location of new depot ?
Whats your obsession with it? If all is quiet, theres nothing to report. Wait until its publicly announced.
4800 on Suttons.
Quote from: Dom on September 28, 2018, 01:36:40 PM
Whats your obsession with it? If all is quiet, theres nothing to report. Wait until its publicly announced.
I wouldn't say it's an obsession just trying to generate some conversation, generally what happens on forums.
@2206 I saw 7022 on the 94 this morning by the Shell garage heading to Chelmsley at around 9:20 not sure if it was that one you saw or not?
Quote from: Squiz1971 on October 02, 2018, 07:25:28 PM
@2206 I saw 7022 on the 94 this morning by the Shell garage heading to Chelmsley at around 9:20 not sure if it was that one you saw or not?
Yes it probably was that one, thanks for the info
@Squiz1971.
The plans for atheltic village look nice on old uce site does the village include perry barr depot.
Quote from: Ginger66 on October 02, 2018, 07:34:48 PM
The plans for athletic village look nice on old uce site does the village include perry barr depot.
Yes. Though, as of yet, no information (disclosing the site) of the new garage has been made public.
is there any platinums on the 7
4819 on Smallbrook Queensway displaying "Birmingham Central Garage" around 7:15. Interesting
Quote from: Sh4318 on October 03, 2018, 09:46:01 PM
4819 on Smallbrook Queensway displaying "Birmingham Central Garage" around 7:15. Interesting
I did see a 7 branded Enviro 400 on the 60 yesterday at about 16:15 at Yardley / Swan heading into City. Must be the same one.
Quote from: MW on October 03, 2018, 09:51:56 PM
I did see a 7 branded Enviro 400 on the 60 yesterday at about 16:15 at Yardley / Swan heading into City. Must be the same one.
It most certainly was.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 26, 2018, 10:34:19 PM
Exactly, that is the main priority. So it's better to show various via points rather than just one. I'd say just as many people get off during the journey as they do at the destination points, so they're just as important. Whether the 6s or 9s look bad is irrelevant. My point is the scrolling display offers more info to passengers rather than just "via Kings Heath" or "via Harborne". What good is that?
The displays on some BY buses appear to have had there displays updated - 1806 on the 55 is no longer scrolling, like they usually are -
Though unlike the other updated BC/PB/AG displays it alternate between
55 Chelmsley Wood
Via Ward End
And:
55 Chelmsley Wood
Shard End & Kingshurst.
Much better than 'Fast Along the A45' which provides very little info on the places a route serves in my opinion.
Not sure how noteworthy; hence posting it here
4855 on X14
Is there any possibility of one last open day at Perry Barr, before the garage closes/relocates?
Quote from: StourValley98 on October 06, 2018, 06:45:38 PM
Is there any possibility of one last open day at Perry Barr, before the garage closes/relocates?
Seconded.
On the 11C at Swan Island and rather interestingly, I just seen a 7 branded E400 seemingly headed towards AG.
4852's front display isn't functional on the 33 today.
What's happened to the 16? It seems that it's less frequent in the mornings now. Have some journeys been withdrawn?
Quote from: MasterPlan on October 15, 2018, 07:14:31 AM
What's happened to the 16? It seems that it's less frequent in the mornings now. Have some journeys been withdrawn?
No
Judging by its rear display, 4691 is on the 65 today, but in service with no working front destination display. Arrived and left the city centre blank, apart from one solitary LED light on.
Any omnicities out?
Number of Gemini's on x3/x4/x5
Also caught the 71 route from chelmsley wood to Sutton Coldfield. Nice route that for a fast omnilink. 7027 was my bus on it and it was very good indeed. Puts to shame most of WAs omnilinks
I though I might put it here but do PB still operate the 71W as they operate the 71
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on November 12, 2018, 07:08:29 PM
I though I might put it here but do PB still operate the 71W as they operate the 71
I've never seen it recently, personally. AG used to operate it and the few times I saw it, they were E200 MMC.
The 71W went all the way to JLR in Solihull, it was withdrawn when the 71 was cut (The 71 no longer goes to Solihull), as far as I know.
When you search "71W" into the NX website, nothing shows up.
AG do have a few 72 trips that start from the JLR stop outside the main gates rather than than the Lode Lane stop, usually a Gemini.
Quote from: 2206 on November 12, 2018, 07:11:29 PM
I've never seen it recently, personally. AG used to operate it and the few times I saw it, they were E200 MMC.
The 71W went all the way to JLR in Solihull, it was withdrawn when the 71 was cut (The 71 no longer goes to Solihull), as far as I know.
When you search "71W" into the NX website, nothing shows up.
AG do have a few 72 trips that start from the JLR stop outside the main gates rather than than the Lode Lane stop, usually a Gemini.
The only reason I ask is this website still says it and this website always keeps up to date
https://bustimes.org/operators/national-express-west-midlands
It's on nwm website as well although I've personally never seen it & I'm in chelmsley a lot.
I saw a post on Facebook about 764 was displaying cap Gemini on it
(My mom showed this to me)
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on November 14, 2018, 10:21:11 PM
I saw a post on Facebook about 764 was displaying cap Gemini on it
(My mom showed this to me)
That would be a photo of it working the Cap Gemini service then
Quote from: Tony on November 14, 2018, 10:24:01 PM
That would be a photo of it working the Cap Gemini service then
What is that by any chance
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on November 14, 2018, 10:29:35 PM
What is that by any chance
External shuttle service for employees at Cap Gemini in Aston - Not Available to the General Public.
Operating between Cap Gemini, Aston and Birmingham City Centre.
The E200 SWB is its usual allocation.
So with the 952 going to Walsall are any other services moving out in the run up to closure etc or was that move completely unrelated to the closure. Apologies if already been explained, missed it.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 25, 2018, 12:48:58 PM
So with the 952 going to Walsall are any other services moving out in the run up to closure etc or was that move completely unrelated to the closure. Apologies if already been explained, missed it.
Not related. Moved due to driver shortages
Is there vehicles moving from PB to WA, as it might be an idea not to use vehicles on the 952 that have 'Walsall Low Fare' branding on?
(Yes I know other vehicles from Walsall will operate into Brum with that branding on anyway, but those will operate local journeys in Walsall first, whereas the 952 vehicles don't officially operate within Walsall!))
Quote from: Westy on November 25, 2018, 09:42:08 PM
Is there vehicles moving from PB to WA, as it might be an idea not to use vehicles on the 952 that have 'Walsall Low Fare' branding on?
(Yes I know other vehicles from Walsall will operate into Brum with that branding on anyway, but those will operate local journeys in Walsall first, whereas the 952 vehicles don't officially operate within Walsall!))
1898 and 1899 have transferred to Walsall and they don't have the low fare branding.
But really I don't see much point, people hardly even look at them.
Quote from: Jack on November 25, 2018, 09:47:34 PM
1898 and 1899 have transferred to Walsall and they don't have the low fare branding.
But really I don't see much point, people hardly even look at them.
How do you know?
How many passenger surveys gave you done.
Surely the fact you know which ones have them proves they are noticed
4853 has its time set correctly but it's timing points timing is 7 mins ahead. For example it has arrived at Pheasey at 8:15, it is due out at 8:29. It the timing is saying early 7. The. Is was due in at 8:22. It arrived st 8:15 due it saying it was on time in Green. Very Odd:
Any gossip on the new location yet ?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on December 17, 2018, 06:34:46 PM
Any gossip on the new location yet ?
An artists impression was posted on Facebook a couple of days ago. New location is Wellhead Lane.
Quote from: Gareth on December 17, 2018, 07:46:26 PM
An artists impression was posted on Facebook a couple of days ago. New location is Wellhead Lane.
Shame to lose a historic structure but at least the move is relatively short distance. Makes you wonder how worthwhile it is for the various parties - presumably the new facility will be much improved on the existing layout...?
Saw the plans for pb commonwealth village got the planning permission passed today on the news
Quote from: Gareth on December 17, 2018, 07:46:26 PM
An artists impression was posted on Facebook a couple of days ago. New location is Wellhead Lane.
Seen the the artist impression of a aerial view of the new PB garage on westbroms notice board ,a lot of future proofing has gone into it electrical charging points from over head gantrys etc state of art workshops etc, all looks very 21st century rather than mid 20th century.
Looks like westbrom will be getting upgrades in the future, from that it clearly rules out moving any time soon.
I noticed while looking through my photos that 4480 has this sticker of what looks like a satellite, just above it's front fleet number. What purpose does this serve?
(https://i.imgur.com/uLbGVWx.png)
I think this is relevant to when it was new on the 33. It might be something to do with triggering traffic lights but I'm not sure about that. Others can confirm one way or another of whether I'm right or not....
Quote from: StourValley98 on December 27, 2018, 12:48:05 PM
I noticed while looking through my photos that 4480 has this sticker of what looks like a satellite, just above it's front fleet number. What purpose does this serve?
(https://i.imgur.com/uLbGVWx.png)
It may of been to indicate a new bus tracking system being fitted, as all the Gemini's had them usually by the fleet number in TWM days
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on January 02, 2019, 04:04:09 PM
It seems the Perry Barr allocation is abit messed up today
4690 is on the X14, 4844 is on the X3/4/5.
Quote from: Jack on January 02, 2019, 04:48:36 PM
4690 is on the X14, 4844 is on the X3/4/5.
Also 4506, another Gemini and 4810 is currently on X3/4/5. 4848 is also currently on the 907.
Has something happened with allocations as I haven't seen a Platinum on the 33 for about a year and in the last 2 days there's been 3
Perry Barr has always messed up their allocations, such as put branded buses onto other routes!
Quote from: mrboshell on January 03, 2019, 08:37:15 PM
common now, especially on Sundays
Wouldn't really say they are common, you do get some on there occasionally.
E400 get on there the most alongsde the Gemini from what i've seen, you occasionally get Omnicity on there as well. Though I wouldn't say either the MMC or Omnilinks are common.
I know the Sunday allocations were previously MMC operated, but they are no diferent to the rest of the week now and they are Gemini allocated on Sundays (since May 2018). They are not any more usual on Sundays than they are throughout the rest of the week.
Noticed this morning on all flags on the Washwood Heath Road that there is now a 94a as well as 55 & 94. This may have been there for some time
@John may be able to confirm this if possible?
Quote from: Squiz1971 on January 24, 2019, 08:00:27 PM
Noticed this morning on all flags on the Washwood Heath Road that there is now a 94a as well as 55 & 94. This may have been there for some time @John may be able to confirm this if possible?
run by Claribels goes along cooks lane for JHN kids
Quote from: Squiz1971 on January 24, 2019, 08:00:27 PM
Noticed this morning on all flags on the Washwood Heath Road that there is now a 94a as well as 55 & 94. This may have been there for some time @John may be able to confirm this if possible?
No it hasn't been there for some time.
Its a school service run by claribels that starts next week. Its nothing to do with NX or PB Garage.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on January 24, 2019, 08:00:27 PM
Noticed this morning on all flags on the Washwood Heath Road that there is now a 94a as well as 55 & 94. This may have been there for some time @John may be able to confirm this if possible?
What design are the flags?
@Squiz1971.
Are they the blue 'N' ones or the WMCA ones?
Quote from: Squiz1971 on January 24, 2019, 08:00:27 PM
Noticed this morning on all flags on the Washwood Heath Road that there is now a 94a as well as 55 & 94. This may have been there for some time @John may be able to confirm this if possible?
I know I'm repeating others but, no it is not our 94 doing this
Quote from: Jack on January 24, 2019, 08:12:56 PM
What design are the flags? @Squiz1971.
Are they the blue 'N' ones or the WMCA ones?
Standard blue 'N' flags
@Jack. Thanks
@2206 &
@John for your info much appreciated knew I hadn't seen that before today cheers
Claribels is changing to NXWM route and 94a school specials.
When is this depot relocating then?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 24, 2019, 08:46:45 PM
Claribels is changing to NXWM route and 94a school specials.
When is this depot relocating then?
are you talking about nx pb garage moving?
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on January 27, 2019, 08:28:54 PM
764-71
Does it interwork with the 96 on Sunday nights?
I know the 96 uses them on Sundays. And the timetable seems to show it does?
Do the E200 off the 96, go onto the 71? Or do different buses come out in the evening
@John?
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on January 27, 2019, 08:28:54 PM
764-71
Considering you based this off a photo posted on Facebook, you asked on that post if it was unusual, to which the answer is no (on a Sunday night).
Quote from: 2206 on January 27, 2019, 08:45:11 PM
Does it interwork with the 96 on Sunday nights?
I know the 96 uses them on Sundays. And the timetable seems to show it does?
Do the E200 off the 96, go onto the 71? Or do different buses come out in the evening @John?
71s all come out of garage on a Sunday evening. 2 running boards only do one trip then back to garage. The night boards do journeys on both the 96 and 71. All 96 boards are back in garage by 7.30pm
Will 4497 ever be in service again as it has had a serious rtc on the 16
Quote from: SK68MEV on January 28, 2019, 05:15:17 PM
Will 4497 ever be in service again as it has had a serious rtc on the 16
It should be reparable but who knows if it will last
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on January 28, 2019, 05:38:47 PM
It should be reparable but who knows if it will last
Out of interest how do you know that? How do you know NX will decide to repair it and what the extent of the damage to the bus is?
And what do you mean by "who knows if it will last"??? I can't see them repairing it to take it out of service a short while later.
Quote from: 2206 on January 28, 2019, 06:02:51 PM
Out of interest how do you know that? How do you know NX will decide to repair it and what the extent of the damage to the bus is?
And what do you mean by "who knows if it will last"???
They probably won't, knowing NX, it still being Euro 6 still won't make them want to pay for it, just look at 4391, a Euro 6 Trident and the didn't want to pay for repairs.
Quote from: Jack on January 28, 2019, 06:05:26 PM
They probably won't, knowing NX, it still being Euro 6 still won't make them want to pay for it, just look at 4391, a Euro 6 Trident and the didn't want to pay for repairs.
It will all depend on what the estimated cost of repair would be, compared with the value of the bus, and the value of a brand new bus.
Imagine a situation where you bought a kettle for £25 five years ago, and it has just packed up. You can either pay £20 to get it repaired, or pay £30 for a brand new one, what would you do?
But then equally, if your kettle could be repaired for £5, would you be more likely to get it repaired and get a few more years of use out of it? If you're flush with cash, you might think 'sod it' and buy a new one anyway, but if you're strapped for cash, paying for the repair is a better option.
It's all relative, making assumptions based on your perception "knowing NX" is a bit wrong. How well do you 'know NX'? Look at how badly damaged that Gemini was, that was involved in that collision in Kings Heath a couple of years ago now, that one was salvaged and repaired, albeit for use as a trainer vehicle, and I bet the repairs weren't cheap, but they obviously felt it was worth doing.
Quote from: Stu on January 28, 2019, 06:18:11 PM
It will all depend on what the estimated cost of repair would be, compared with the value of the bus, and the value of a brand new bus.
Imagine a situation where you bought a kettle for £25 five years ago, and it has just packed up. You can either pay £20 to get it repaired, or pay £30 for a brand new one, what would you do?
But then equally, if your kettle could be repaired for £5, would you be more likely to get it repaired and get a few more years of use out of it? If you're flush with cash, you might think 'sod it' and buy a new one anyway, but if you're strapped for cash, paying for the repair is a better option.
It's all relative, making assumptions based on your perception "knowing NX" is a bit wrong. How well do you 'know NX'? Look at how badly damaged that Gemini was, that was involved in that collision in Kings Heath a couple of years ago now, that one was salvaged and repaired, albeit for use as a trainer vehicle, and I bet the repairs weren't cheap, but they obviously felt it was worth doing.
If it was the car driver's fault, then it will be up to their insurance company, as they will be the ones that have to pay. If they do write it off NX could still buy it back and repair it. The bus is still worth well into 5 figures + the cost of the exhaust mods, so it will take a fair bit of damage to write it off.
1871 is another PB bus to suffer extreme damage due to a third party which has bent the chassis. It is currently at BC to have the engine removed before going back to Carlyle to have the chassis straightened Not a cheap or easy job
Quote from: Tony on January 28, 2019, 06:23:31 PM
If it was the car driver's fault, then it will be up to their insurance company, as they will be the ones that have to pay. If they do write it off NX could still buy it back and repair it. The bus is still worth well into 5 figures + the cost of the exhaust mods, so it will take a fair bit of damage to write it off.
1871 is another PB bus to suffer extreme damage due to a third party which has bent the chassis. It is currently at BC to have the engine removed before going back to Carlyle to have the chassis straightened Not a cheap or easy job
Hence all of the loans then
@Tony
They want to get rid of the perry Barr flyover, ha ha yeah right like that will work. Who is for the plans then ?
7024 is on the 16
I take it with Perry Barr depot having to move the houses in front will also have to go for the village
Quote from: Solo1 on February 09, 2019, 07:19:23 PM
I take it with Perry Barr depot having to move the houses in front will also have to go for the village
I thought the houses was staying but perry barr wont be the same anymore.
4843 is out on X3/X4/X5
Platinum on the 907 I saw earlier was displaying "Birmingham via Pheasey".
Oh dear...
Quote from: Jack on March 02, 2019, 04:08:11 PM
Platinum on the 907 I saw earlier was displaying "Birmingham via Pheasey".
Oh dear...
Really?
Impossible to do
Quote from: Tony on March 02, 2019, 05:01:46 PM
Really?
Impossible to do
It was, was quite clearly staring at it...
Quote from: Jack on March 02, 2019, 05:11:37 PM
It was, was quite clearly staring at it...
Yes, really, several people on here have the Helen software and will tell you it cannot put random things like that up. Which bus number if you were staring at it
Quote from: Tony on March 02, 2019, 05:55:45 PM
Yes, really, several people on here have the Helen software and will tell you it cannot put random things like that up. Which bus number if you were staring at it
Can't remember off the top of my head but it was on Lancaster Circus around 15:30.
Quote from: Jack on March 02, 2019, 06:12:55 PM
Can't remember off the top of my head but it was on Lancaster Circus around 15:30.
Sure it wasn't 997?
Quote from: Tony on March 02, 2019, 05:55:45 PM
Yes, really, several people on here have the Helen software and will tell you it cannot put random things like that up. Which bus number if you were staring at it
4855. There is a photograph of it on Facebook (unless it's a very good photoshop!)
Quote from: metrocity on March 02, 2019, 06:19:14 PM
4855. There is a photograph of it on Facebook (unless it's a very good photoshop!)
This is the photo that
@metrocity is referring to
@Tony...
Just a quick question; all I need is confirmation/reassurance
Is a single fare between Hockley Circus and the City Centre £1.50? I've caught the 16 the other day and a gentleman put £2.40 in the chute, before the driver said it was £1.50. I've also found a link to the short hop guide on the nx site - but it's from 2017, so I'm not sure how trustworthy that is.
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/misc/MayFaretables.pdf
Quote from: CL on March 06, 2019, 04:42:03 PM
Just a quick question; all I need is confirmation/reassurance
Is a single fare between Hockley Circus and the City Centre £1.50? I've caught the 16 the other day and a gentleman put £2.40 in the chute, before the driver said it was £1.50. I've also found a link to the short hop guide on the nx site - but it's from 2017, so I'm not sure how trustworthy that is.
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/misc/MayFaretables.pdf
Yes
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 07, 2019, 07:36:39 AM
4800 - ☓3
Non Platinums are a daily occurrence on the Suttons
Quote from: John on March 07, 2019, 07:58:16 AM
Non Platinums are a daily occurrence on the Suttons
Are there not enough Platinums to cover the Sutton lines and X14?
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 07, 2019, 10:08:28 PM
Are there not enough Platinums to cover the Sutton lines and X14?
29 buses for 30 boards on both routes. But with Platinums on the 907 as well, no there is not enough
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 07, 2019, 10:08:28 PM
Are there not enough Platinums to cover the Sutton lines and X14?
The 907 seems to mainly be Platinums now the Omnicitys vanished from it...
Quote from: John on March 07, 2019, 10:14:42 PM
29 buses for 30 boards on both routes. But with Platinums on the 907 as well, no there is not enough
I didn't realise, seems to be a common trend at the moment, not having enough type of bus for a certain route
Quote from: John on March 07, 2019, 10:14:42 PM
29 buses for 30 boards on both routes. But with Platinums on the 907 as well, no there is not enough
There's plenty of Platinums for the Suttons if they weren't being allocated to other boards
@Jack OmniCitys are not noteworthy on the 46 as they are allocated exactly the same as Geminis now they are not on the 907. So they appear on any non Platinum decker route, possibly except the 101
@Jack Again not noteworthy
Quote from: John on March 15, 2019, 10:37:27 AM
@Jack
OmniCitys are not noteworthy on the 46 as they are allocated exactly the same as Geminis now they are not on the 907. So they appear on any non Platinum decker route, possibly except the 101
I think I have missed something recently. Is there a reason why they aren't used on the 907 anymore? Has it been rerouted and the Scanias are too high?
Quote from: Gareth on March 16, 2019, 07:26:05 PM
I think I have missed something recently. Is there a reason why they aren't used on the 907 anymore? Has it been rerouted and the Scanias are too high?
Driver complaints I heard. Don't know how true that is though
Quote from: John on March 16, 2019, 07:27:35 PM
Driver complaints I heard. Don't know how true that is though
What are they complaining about on them?
PB 4780 seen on Dad's Lane in Stirchley at 15:16pm today, wonder what that's doing away from home.
Quote from: 4369Beast on March 28, 2019, 03:27:11 PM
PB 4780 seen on Dad's Lane in Stirchley at 15:16pm today, wonder what that's doing away from home.
Looks like it's on it's way to the the Brittania contract at Wythall
4778 is on the 94. At Fox and Goose going to Chelmsley Wood about 5 minutes ago.
I've seen a photo of a few branded PB Platinums with additional letting on the upper deck window.
It reads "COMING SOON, X3 to Lichfield", and then the 30 minute frequency below. 6809 is in the forefront, along with two others, at least.
Good photo opportunity missed as 2 Omnicities were on Priory Queensway on the 65 & 67. Never seen two together before!
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 05, 2019, 12:24:23 PM
Good photo opportunity missed as 2 Omnicities were on Priory Queensway on the 65 & 67. Never seen two together before!
There's a photo on the main site of all 5 side by side at Wembley
Quote from: Tony on April 05, 2019, 12:49:54 PM
There's a photo on the main site of all 5 side by side at Wembley
Yes, there is. But to catch two of them side by side both in service would be quite something!
Does anyone else think the temporary wording for the X3 to Lichfield could have been better?
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 05, 2019, 12:24:23 PM
Good photo opportunity missed as 2 Omnicities were on Priory Queensway on the 65 & 67. Never seen two together before!
must be blind!
Quote from: mrboshell on April 06, 2019, 09:31:18 AM
Does anyone else think the temporary wording for the X3 to Lichfield could have been better?
Straight forward and to the point, what's the issue?
Quote from: mrboshell on April 06, 2019, 09:31:18 AM
Does anyone else think the temporary wording for the X3 to Lichfield could have been better?
Looks a bit clumsy to me - but straight to the point, nonetheless. As it's only temporary, I'm not too fussed. I wonder whether the route map on the offside will be amended slightly?
Some Walsall Platinums have been done for the X51 to Cannock, as well
Quote from: mrboshell on April 06, 2019, 09:31:18 AM
Does anyone else think the temporary wording for the X3 to Lichfield could have been better?
Can't say I've noticed it. If it's anything like the X51 wording, it looks inconsistent and rushed
Quote from: mrboshell on April 06, 2019, 09:31:18 AM
Does anyone else think the temporary wording for the X3 to Lichfield could have been better?
It covers half of the top window yes but looks ok to me saw a few X4 & X14's today going to Good Hope, First time I have seen what the wording looks like. A better font may have looked better but all the same is doesn't look rushed at all
Quote from: Squiz1971 on April 08, 2019, 07:36:37 PM
It covers half of the top window yes but looks ok to me saw a few X4 & X14's today going to Good Hope, First time I have seen what the wording looks like. A better font may have looked better but all the same is doesn't look rushed at all
And it is very noticable which is the main aim of this type of notice
Quote from: Tony on April 08, 2019, 07:47:12 PM
And it is very noticable which is the main aim of this type of notice
I agree totally even from my car it stood out so was doing its job well
@Tony
I don't really see the issue with it to be honest. It's big enough to see which is the whole idea.
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 08, 2019, 08:07:29 PM
I don't really see the issue with it to be honest. It's big enough to see which is the whole idea.
I don't have an issue with it at all, but as a designer, I was expecting it to be consistent with the rest of the X51 branding
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 08, 2019, 11:54:02 PM
I don't have an issue with it at all, but as a designer, I was expecting it to be consistent with the rest of the X51 branding
That's probably why they went for something that isn't consistent and doesn't blend in with the rest of the branding.
This way it stands out and is noticeable.
Quote from: Gareth on April 09, 2019, 01:43:44 AM
That's probably why they went for something that isn't consistent and doesn't blend in with the rest of the branding.
This way it stands out and is noticeable.
I'm not a huge fan of it still, as a graphic design student, since it does look a bit out of place, but yeah it does at least stand out, and it's only temporary too.
Omnicities getting around this morning..
4778 just left Sutton, working the X5
4780 has just come off a 907 at Sutton
and there's another on the 46
Quote from: CL on April 09, 2019, 08:53:37 AM
Omnicities getting around this morning..
4778 just left Sutton, working the X5
4780 has just come off a 907 at Sutton
and there's another on the 46
And 4779 on the 7
Random question why did they stop doing posh buses on the 94 on sundays .?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 14, 2019, 08:27:52 PM
Random question why did they stop doing posh buses on the 94 on sundays .?
not to sure why they stopped the platinums but might have been more were needed for the Sutton routes so there wasn't much spare anymore but there does tend to be 1 or 2 on there now and again on a normal day
4804 has been debranded. Should I get my hopes up? :P
4802 has also been debranded.
Hopes up for what?
Quote from: Jack D on April 17, 2019, 12:35:22 PM
Hopes up for what?
Potentially the 16 getting a platinum upgrade
Quote from: Jack D on April 17, 2019, 12:35:22 PM
Hopes up for what?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on April 17, 2019, 12:36:04 PM
Potentially the 16 getting a platinum upgrade
Precisely. Being one of my local routes, and all. ;)
Quote from: CL on April 17, 2019, 12:37:50 PM
Precisely. Being one of my local routes, and all. ;)
I think it may get an upgrade with the 45/47 (also getting debranded) I like getting new buses for the region but i like where the cascades happen because with my locals (15/16/17) getting the 49** from West Bromwich it's a nice change from the tridents xD.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on April 17, 2019, 12:43:49 PM
I think it may get an upgrade with the 45/47 (also getting debranded) I like getting new buses for the region but i like where the cascades happen because with my locals (15/16/17) getting the 49** from West Bromwich it's a nice change from the tridents xD.
45/47 hasn't been debranded yet, just 4897/4905 have been in for paint. Not saying there not going Platinum but it's only the same as what happened to the 51s batch. Would much rather proper E400s than Platinums though so somewhat hoping it doesn't happen ;)
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on April 17, 2019, 12:36:04 PM
Potentially the 16 getting a platinum upgrade
I've heard the 16 is going platinum
Quote from: Nxwm on April 17, 2019, 08:51:12 PM
I've heard the 16 is going platinum
Wouldn't have guessed that one if that is the case.
I was under the impression that PB garage was to close a long time ago.... Presumably the depot
is still operating?... Or is the depot now located somewhere else?... ??? ???
Quote from: windy miller on April 17, 2019, 10:17:55 PM
I was under the impression that PB garage was to close a long time ago.... Presumably the depot
is still operating?... Or is the depot now located somewhere else?... ??? ???
It's still operating from its old home at the moment. I believe a new home has been located further down Wellhead Lane, but it will take to to redevelop the land.
Quote from: Nxwm on April 17, 2019, 08:51:12 PM
I've heard the 16 is going platinum
Typical trend spending money on same routes
Will the 48XX be staying at PB and move onto a Gemini service, 94, 65, or 67?
Or will these be going elsewhere?
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on April 17, 2019, 12:46:02 PM
45/47 hasn't been debranded yet, just 4897/4905 have been in for paint. Not saying there not going Platinum but it's only the same as what happened to the 51s batch. Would much rather proper E400s than Platinums though so somewhat hoping it doesn't happen ;)
Really? I personally find the Platinums a big step up from the standard E400s at BC - quicker off the mark, and much nicer seating and legroom. I feel cheated when a standard E400 turns up on the 23. I even had to endure the indignity of a 97 branded Trident a few weeks back ;)
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 17, 2019, 10:26:29 PM
Typical trend spending money on same routes
I'm curious how you arrived at that conclusion this time. The 16 hasn't had new buses for a very long time
Quote from: Kevin on April 17, 2019, 10:55:16 PM
I'm curious how you arrived at that conclusion this time. The 16 hasn't had new buses for a very long time
Wasnut it the Your 16 Omnis that were last new for the 16
Quote from: the trainbasher on April 17, 2019, 11:08:30 PM
Wasnut it the Your 16 Omnis that were last new for the 16
Yes in 2007.
The 07 singles at the same time as the 97 and then the ex 9 buses with branding a couple of years back. Yes I can come to that conclusion.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 17, 2019, 10:26:29 PM
Typical trend spending money on same routes
When was the last time the 16 had money spent on it? I've said plenty of times, it's PB's most frequent route
Quote from: Mike K on April 17, 2019, 10:45:06 PM
Really? I personally find the Platinums a big step up from the standard E400s at BC - quicker off the mark, and much nicer seating and legroom. I feel cheated when a standard E400 turns up on the 23. I even had to endure the indignity of a 97 branded Trident a few weeks back ;)
We're all different I guess. Most people probably would prefer Platinums but as an enthusiast the E400s have more charcacter and at least you can still get an odd Trident and a few unbranded ones. If it goes Platinum, everything will be an MMC which I find rather boring. I do understand the extra features of them though, and most people are happy about them due to that
Quote from: Mike K on April 17, 2019, 10:45:06 PM
Really? I personally find the Platinums a big step up from the standard E400s at BC - quicker off the mark, and much nicer seating and legroom. I feel cheated when a standard E400 turns up on the 23. I even had to endure the indignity of a 97 branded Trident a few weeks back ;)
The voith ones are definitely better than the zf with regards to acceleration I would say. The mk1 e400s are brilliant, and the most recent batch late (49**) seem much quicker than the middle batch
4801 has been debranded.
Quote from: RW on April 18, 2019, 02:24:07 PM
From what?
As per the main site, 4801 was/ is branded for the 16
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on April 18, 2019, 02:39:32 PM
As per the main site, 4801 was/ is branded for the 16
Saw it through a webcam.
I can see the 16 and 7 going Platinum tbh, it equals up, there is/was 12 buses branded for the 16 and 7 branded buses for the 7. If I remember PB will be getting 20 something Platinums?
Quote from: Jack on April 19, 2019, 11:20:11 AM
I can see the 16 and 7 going Platinum tbh, it equals up, there is/was 12 buses branded for the 16 and 7 branded buses for the 7. If I remember PB will be getting 20 something Platinums?
No. Not what I've heard
Quote from: John on April 19, 2019, 11:49:07 AM
No. Not what I've heard
907 finally get platinum vehicles?
4805 and 4808 have been debranded
Hopefully the 7/101 branded buses will be debranded.
4809 has been de branded too.
Quote from: John on April 19, 2019, 11:49:07 AM
No. Not what I've heard
@John what have you heard? I've heard the current sutton platinum will go on the 16 and the new platinum will be going on the sutton!!!
Quote from: Nxwm on April 19, 2019, 06:46:38 PM
@John what have you heard? I've heard the current sutton platinum will go on the 16 and the new platinum will be going on the sutton!!!
There will be too many for the 16 unless we transfer some out. I've heard we are getting more for the 907, no idea if this is true
Quote from: Nxwm on April 19, 2019, 06:46:38 PM
@John what have you heard? I've heard the current sutton platinum will go on the 16 and the new platinum will be going on the sutton!!!
Could the Omnicity be withdrawn with these new deliveries and maybe joint the training fleet? Or maybe moved to non City Centre routes at WA/WB? They don't seem to have a specific route that they are used on anymore either? Non compliant for 2020 as well unless these are likely to be trapped?
Quote from: 2206 on April 19, 2019, 07:11:55 PM
Could the Omnicity be withdrawn with these new deliveries and maybe joint the training fleet? Or maybe moved to non City Centre routes at WA/WB? They don't seem to have a specific route that they are used on anymore either? Non compliant for 2020 as well unless these are likely to be trapped?
Please don't get my hopes up !
Quote from: 2206 on April 19, 2019, 07:11:55 PM
Could the Omnicity be withdrawn with these new deliveries and maybe joint the training fleet? Or maybe moved to non City Centre routes at WA/WB? They don't seem to have a specific route that they are used on anymore either? Non compliant for 2020 as well unless these are likely to be trapped?
I've been thinking the 77 is a good route for them. 4 buses for 3 all day boards and the peak extras
I'm glad they are banned off Suttons after next week anyway ;D
I doubt the Omnicity's would be withdrawn, I could see them moving elsewhere on a route that does enter. Like been said the 77 or the WB 46, a route that only has a PVR of 3.
They may be debranding all the 09 plates 30 is a nice round number ???????
Quote from: Jack on April 19, 2019, 08:48:28 PM
I doubt the Omnicity's would be withdrawn, I could see them moving elsewhere on a route that does enter. Like been said the 77 or the WB 46, a route that only has a PVR of 3.
They're staying where they are and are due to be upgraded to Euro 6
Quote from: Tony on April 19, 2019, 09:45:47 PM
They're staying where they are and are due to be upgraded to Euro 6
I hope they stay off the 907
4803/6/7 have been debranded as I saw them yesterday on the 16.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 19, 2019, 10:19:22 PM
I hope they stay off the 907
There was one on it yesterday :)
First one I've seen on the 907 since the end of last year.
Quote from: Jack on April 21, 2019, 11:47:53 AM
There was one on it yesterday :)
First one I've seen on the 907 since the end of last year.
There was one on a couple of weeks ago, I had the misfortune of being on it !
I hope the Omnies stay on the 907, only buses of interest in the Sutton fleet.
Been confirmed today 16 to get new platinum's.
Quote from: 979 on April 26, 2019, 01:07:59 PM
Been confirmed today 16 to get new platinum's.
Certainly looking forward to this! What will happen to the debranded e400s though?
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 26, 2019, 01:33:29 PM
Certainly looking forward to this! What will happen to the debranded e400s though?
move to the 94 or 65/67 perhaps
4810/11 have been debranded. which means 4812 is the last remaining 16 branded.
An Omnilink has not long ago entered Birmingham, displaying 46.
Should be leaving with the 52 short to Perry Barr, now
Quote from: CL on April 29, 2019, 02:27:43 PM
An Omnilink has not long ago entered Birmingham, displaying 46.
Should be leaving with the 52 short to Perry Barr, now
Reports of buses in Beeches displaying 46 from relatives yesterday. Not a good show considering the scale of the change, I could forgive if it was a simple renumbering
Quote from: busboy31 on April 27, 2019, 04:57:36 PM
4810/11 have been debranded. which means 4812 is the last remaining 16 branded.
anddd 4812 has been debranded now
Wonder what this means for Diamond now. With both the 50 and 16 having gone / going Platinum.
Do people still use the Diamond 50?
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 30, 2019, 01:31:48 PM
Wonder what this means for Diamond now. With both the 50 and 16 having gone / going Platinum.
Do people still use the Diamond 50?
Yes - some people favour travelling on single deckers, feel safer / less anti-social behaviour
Additionally, Diamond's Streetlites are similar internal spec to Platinum's internally & also offer free Wifi.
The 16 will not be like for like though once operated by Platinum's.
Quote from: Winston on April 30, 2019, 01:43:08 PM
Yes - some people favour travelling on single deckers, feel safer / less anti-social behaviour
Additionally, Diamond's Streetlites are similar internal spec to Platinum's internally & also offer free Wifi.
The 16 will not be like for like though once operated by Platinum's.
Yeah I guess that makes sense to be honest. Certainly with regards to the elderly for example.
I did wonder that as I see them on the 002 all the time but I couldn't see WiFi advertised on them.
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 30, 2019, 01:46:01 PM
Yeah I guess that makes sense to be honest. Certainly with regards to the elderly for example.
I did wonder that as I see them on the 002 all the time but I couldn't see WiFi advertised on them.
It seems as though Redditch depot new Streetlites & Strata's are gaining the Wifi first, not sure if it will be extended to Tividale & Kidderminster new fleet?
50 Streetlite:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/richardcovey/47621706932
https://www.flickr.com/photos/richardcovey/47665478831
A2 Mellor Strata:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/171019999@N03/32770818387
Quote from: Winston on April 30, 2019, 01:59:40 PM
It seems as though Redditch depot new Streetlites & Strata's are gaining the Wifi first, not sure if it will be extended to Tividale & Kidderminster new fleet?
50 Streetlite:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/richardcovey/47621706932
https://www.flickr.com/photos/richardcovey/47665478831
A2 Mellor Strata:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/171019999@N03/32770818387
That's supposed to be a 'Contacltless' symbol!
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on April 30, 2019, 02:09:02 PM
That's supposed to be a 'Contacltless' symbol!
Doh! Bit pointless Diamond advertising contactless when its been available on their buses longer than NXWM's.
Sure I saw a post somewhere about wifi on them?!?
Quote from: Winston on April 30, 2019, 02:36:13 PM
Doh! Bit pointless Diamond advertising contactless when its been available on their buses longer than NXWM's.
Sure I saw a post somewhere about wifi on them?!?
It was me who said it changes from a WiFi symbol to "I'm new". I thought it was a WiFi symbol lol. It's contactless.
Quote from: MW on April 30, 2019, 02:58:11 PM
It was me who said it changes from a WiFi symbol to "I'm new". I thought it was a WiFi symbol lol. It's contactless.
And I'm the one who did those icons for the chap who programs the blinds. It's the standard contactless symbol, but I do agree now that it looks a lot like WiFi too. I'd have used a different icon that shows a hand using a card, but it was too detailed to look good on a blind.
So Perry Barr gets bus fleet number 7000, is this the only time a *000 has ever happen?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on April 30, 2019, 09:22:07 PM
So Perry Barr gets bus fleet number 7000, is this the only time a *000 has ever happen?
7000 has been used before, a Fleetline (WDA 700T), and also 3000 Mk2A Metrobus
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on April 30, 2019, 09:22:07 PM
So Perry Barr gets bus fleet number 7000, is this the only time a *000 has ever happen?
There has been loads of them including a 7000 at PB
The previous 7000 working from Perry Barr (when PB ran the 51):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mcwmetrobuses/15279897550
4777 has just left Birmingham on the 907A; thought they'd be banned from the Suttons, or was that just the Expressway services?
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 30, 2019, 01:31:48 PM
Wonder what this means for Diamond now. With both the 50 and 16 having gone / going Platinum.
Do people still use the Diamond 50?
People still wait for Diamond 16s in Hamstead, they just prefer a quieter bus
Quote from: Kevin on May 01, 2019, 08:27:29 AM
People still wait for Diamond 16s in Hamstead, they just prefer a quieter bus
On a similar note, I'll often get the 530 from Bilston to Wolverhampton, rather than walking down the road and getting the 79, since it's usually quieter and doesn't take that much longer.
7/101 will get platinums due to the debranding of the E400s
Quote from: busboy31 on May 02, 2019, 05:23:48 PM
7/101 will get platinums due to the debranding of the E400s
No.
The '16' is going Platinum.
Quote from: busboy31 on May 02, 2019, 05:23:48 PM
7/101 will get platinums due to the debranding of the E400s
Apart from
A) they're not being rebranded
B) they're not getting platinums
Quote from: busboy31 on May 02, 2019, 05:23:48 PM
7/101 will get platinums due to the debranding of the E400s
Thank god for that, if that happened that would be taking the ultimate Micheal
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 02, 2019, 07:52:20 PM
Thank god for that, if that happened that would be taking the ultimate Micheal
they had to shake-up half of the E400 fleet for the 3 routes. 16's first, then the 7's and the 101's.
Quote from: busboy31 on May 02, 2019, 09:19:32 PM
they had to shake-up half of the E400 fleet for the 3 routes. 16's first, then the 7's and the 101's.
No
Quote from: busboy31 on May 02, 2019, 09:19:32 PM
they had to shake-up half of the E400 fleet for the 3 routes. 16's first, then the 7's and the 101's.
@busboy31 only
@Tony really knows where all the new platinums will be allocated and it is only pb 16 and WB 82/87 that is getting 19 regs so far
Quote from: SK68MEV on May 02, 2019, 09:31:37 PM
@busboy31 only @Tony really knows where all the new platinums will be allocated and it is only pb 16 and WB 82/87 that is getting 19 regs so far
pn 9 and x10 and yw 50's have got the 68's.
Quote from: busboy31 on May 02, 2019, 09:34:13 PM
pn 9 and x10 and yw 50's have got the 68's.
What has that to do with the 16 getting Platinums?
What's the pvr for the 16?
Quote from: aSingh on May 02, 2019, 09:45:26 PM
What's the pvr for the 16?
Not sure on the actual pvr, but there were 12 x E400's branded for the 16, assume the Pvr will be 14+
Quote from: busboy31 on May 02, 2019, 05:23:48 PM
7/101 will get platinums due to the debranding of the E400s
the 7 and the 101 isn't getting platinums as they still have the branding for both routes. I have no idea why the 16 is getting platinums as they'll be trashed after the first week
Quote from: mrboshell on May 04, 2019, 08:08:56 AM
the 7 and the 101 isn't getting platinums as they still have the branding for both routes. I have no idea why the 16 is getting platinums as they'll be trashed after the first week
Probably because it's the most frequent route that PB have
Quote from: mrboshell on May 04, 2019, 08:08:56 AM
the 7 and the 101 isn't getting platinums as they still have the branding for both routes. I have no idea why the 16 is getting platinums as they'll be trashed after the first week
It has competition from Diamond.
Quote from: mrboshell on May 04, 2019, 08:08:56 AM
the 7 and the 101 isn't getting platinums as they still have the branding for both routes. I have no idea why the 16 is getting platinums as they'll be trashed after the first week
I agree with you, 16 fine with it's E400's. I dont understand why the new buses have to be Platinum though. It's a shame because Crimson is lovely, it would be of been nice to see the 16 upgraded to Crimson E400MMC's that would have similar features to the high spec Platinums.
Quote from: Jack on May 04, 2019, 11:48:45 AM
It's a shame because Crimson is lovely, it would be of been nice to see the 16 upgraded to Crimson E400MMC's that would have similar features to the high spec Platinums.
Why shouldn't new buses be platinum.
Platinum has clearly lead to increased patronage on other routes. I saw it mentioned somewhere that the X1/X2 have seen an increase in passengers following the Platinum upgrade. NX probably are just doing the same and trying to increase passenger numbers on other routes. Which is why the new buses are platinums.
Quote from: Gareth on May 04, 2019, 12:15:02 PM
When the 16 had brand new Volvo B7 were they trashed after a week? No
When the 16 had brand new Omnilink were they trashed after a week? No
When the 16 had a batch of freshly refurbed E400 were they trashed after a week? No
See a pattern here?
People on here claimed the 11 and 74 shouldn't have newer buses as they'd be "trashed after a week" as well, I've been on loads of the MMC on the 11 and not seen a single one looking trashed after 5 months.
Quote from: mrboshell on May 04, 2019, 08:08:56 AM
the 7 and the 101 isn't getting platinums as they still have the branding for both routes. I have no idea why the 16 is getting platinums as they'll be trashed after the first week
When the 16 had brand new Volvo B7 were they trashed after a week? No
When the 16 had brand new Omnilink were they trashed after a week? No
When the 16 had a batch of freshly refurbed E400 were they trashed after a week? No
See a pattern here?
I disagree that the new Platinums on the 16 would get trashed.
However, I don't understand why the Platinum brand is being spread across so many routes. Soon Bham city centre will be a sea of grey. Grey is a dull colour.
Why not just offer new buses in crimson with USB ports, Wifi and extra legroom and advertise the fact they have these extras.
There's been no new Crimson buses since 2015 unless I'm mistaken.
Quote from: B.C Driver on May 04, 2019, 01:06:18 PM
I disagree that the new Platinums on the 16 would get trashed.
However, I don't understand why the Platinum brand is being spread across so many routes. Soon Bham city centre will be a sea of grey. Grey is a dull colour.
Why not just offer new buses in crimson with USB ports, Wifi and extra legroom and advertise the fact they have these extras.
There's been no new Crimson buses since 2015 unless I'm mistaken.
I think that's the point
@Jack was trying to get across; in regards to "Crimson Platinums", if you will.
I agree with you in terms of disagreeing with the idea of 16's Platinums getting trashed - it's really not a bad route! I'm a bit confused as to why it gets such a bad wrap.
From previous Platinum deliveries, I'll be one to admit that I argued the "brand dilution" case. It seemed like a stable argument, until you take a step back and realise that there's still a large chunk of modern standard-spec/compliant vehicles - purchased in very recent years, might I add. ;)
The 5 Streetdecks were delivered in 2016, but that does seem to be the last of the Crimson vehicles.
Quote from: CL on May 04, 2019, 01:32:04 PM
From previous Platinum deliveries, I'll be one to admit that I argued the "brand dilution" case. It seemed like a stable argument, until you take a step back and realise that there's still a large chunk of modern standard-spec/compliant vehicles - purchased in very recent years, might I add. ;)
Also with the platinum brand it is probably a bit more noticeable the service has been upgraded. Than if they were in the same livery as the existing vehicles.
Quote from: 2206 on May 04, 2019, 02:24:15 PM
Also with the platinum brand it is probably a bit more noticeable the service has been upgraded. Than if they were in the same livery as the existing vehicles.
This is all kinda beside the point. The reason that a lot of people, passengers and enthusiasts alike, feel the Platinum brand has been devalued is because originally it was a distinguishing feature of the express buses. Be it intentional or not, that was what people saw. So now it feels like those "premium" services aren't so premium anymore.
Quote from: Kevin on May 04, 2019, 02:48:14 PM
This is all kinda beside the point. The reason that a lot of people, passengers and enthusiasts alike, feel the Platinum brand has been devalued is because originally it was a distinguishing feature of the express buses. Be it intentional or not, that was what people saw. So now it feels like those "premium" services aren't so premium anymore.
Not really.
How do you know the passengers feel that way? I've never heard a single person say that ever. Only comments I've heard are that people prefer the platinum bus over the standard bus. I think most would rather a platinum bus to be honest, so I've no idea where you've got that assumption from. Though any bus is better than no bus.
I don't see any reason why it should only be for express services. To be quite honest just because someone uses the X12 doesn't mean they are on the bus for any longer than a passenger on the 23. And some of the express routes, over some sections aren't really express at all over sections like the X12 between Chelmsley and Solihull and Its actually quicker to take the 72 from Solihull to Chelmsley than the X12.
If you take a look at lots of routes, there are still hundreds of standard vehicles still in service.
The average passenger wouldn't go travelling and looking round the network to see what is used on other routes only on whatever route/routes they use.
I'd rather see Crimson buses with Wifi and USBs etc, it's a much nicer colour.
Quote from: 2206 on May 04, 2019, 02:52:51 PM
Not really.
How do you know the passengers feel that way??? I've never heard a single person say that ever. Only comments I've heard are that people prefer the platinum bus over the standard bus. I think most would rather a platinum bus to be honest, so I've no idea where you've got that assumption from. Though any bus is better than no bus.
Not an assumption. I don't claim to know what every passenger thinks, I just said that there are people that think that. That is a fact. I accept there are people that also don't think that, because that is also a fact.
Quote from: 2206 on May 04, 2019, 02:52:51 PM
I don't see any reason why it should only be for express services. To be quite honest just because someone uses the X12 doesn't mean they are on the bus for any longer than a passenger on the 23. And some of the express routes, over some sections aren't really express at all over sections like the X12 between Chelmsley and Solihull and Its actually quicker to take the 72 from Solihull to Chelmsley than the X12.
I said "originally". So referring to the X51, X1/2, 934/5/6. The people I mention above are, strangely enough, passengers on those routes.
It's not the features of the new buses that I'm even on about, it's the brand. New buses these days are pretty much expected to have USB, WiFi. But the Platinum colours was, at the start, seen as that of the Express routes
Quote from: Kevin on May 04, 2019, 03:10:27 PM
Not an assumption. I don't claim to know what every passenger thinks, I just said that there are people that think that. That is a fact. I accept there are people that also don't think that, because that is also a fact.
I said "originally". So referring to the X51, X1/2, 934/5/6. The people I mention above are, strangely enough, passengers on those routes.
How many passengers have you asked then?
I use X1/X2 all the time, never heard anyone complaining that its being devalued or that other routes are getting platinum. Most passenger on the X1 wouldn't really be bothered whats being used on 82/87, etc if they don't use them.
Not sure why you consider these routes to be more important than any other main road route either. Lots of other just as busy routes.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 04, 2019, 03:20:30 PM
I would rather have lower spec buses and cheaper fares. I'm sure most would also agree with me.
Have a look at other operators fares
@Trident 4194 in other places. NX fares are already some of the lowest.
I would rather have lower spec buses and cheaper fares. I'm sure most would also agree with me.
Quote from: 2206 on May 04, 2019, 03:17:14 PM
How many passengers have you asked then?
I use X1/X2 all the time, never heard anyone complaining that its being devalued or that other routes are getting platinum. Most passenger on the X1 wouldn't really be bothered whats being used on 82/87, etc if they don't use them.
Not sure why you consider these routes to be more important than any other main road route either. Lots of other just as busy routes.
Good for you. I can count maybe 8 friends/ family, say 20ish acquaintances / fellow commuters that I used to speak to when I was an X51 regular, that felt that way. Equally I know of others that don't, yourself obviously in that camp. And so be it, just saying that there are people that have the viewpoint that Express routes deserve a bit of niceness (that even a word?)
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 04, 2019, 03:20:30 PM
I would rather have lower spec buses and cheaper fares. I'm sure most would also agree with me.
No because passengers are not paying extra for fares on Platinum buses
Quote from: John on May 04, 2019, 04:33:10 PM
No because passengers are not paying extra for fares on Platinum buses
Lower spec E400MMC, let's say is £20,000 cheaper (don't know the exact figure). Over the 18 year life of the the bus that works out at about £3 per day, so if a bus carries 300 passengers that means you could reduce fares by 1p!
As long as practically all of the network (exluding routes that must run single deckers due to low bridges etc) isn't Platinum, then I don't think it's defaced as a brand.
Random when did they change the 28 Sunday bank holiday display to say "old oscott " rather than dyas Rd ?
@cris 99, can't see a 7 branded E400 on the 16 noteworthy... its off route yes, but the 16 is allocated E400's for now.
With the X7 being withdrawn next week, will the 907 in the future be renumbered to the X7?
The 16 is becoming platinum, I wonder if they'll still squeeze past the buses at new street!
I'm not sure if anyone has noticed but the 94 has seen a increase in e400s on there wonder if Ex 16's are heading there
Quote from: SK68MEV on June 06, 2019, 03:30:35 PM
I'm not sure if anyone has noticed but the 94 has seen a increase in e400s on there wonder if Ex 16's are heading there
Unless there's a load on there today. There hasn't really been that much of an increase apart from it being maybe a daily occurrence rather than weekly. There's often the odd one every now and again, and this hasn't really changed that much over the past couple of weeks.
Quote from: Gareth on June 06, 2019, 07:08:19 PM
Unless there's a load on there today. There hasn't really been that much of an increase apart from it being maybe a daily occurrence rather than weekly. There's often the odd one every now and again, and this hasn't really changed that much over the past couple of weeks.
there was 4 or 5 on there today
I know I moan about the lack of investment on the 94s and that was previously from observation from driving. I can now honestly say after being on one today I'm right, it was disgusting I dont remember them looking this trashed back in 90s. All the blue interior just smeared with dirt and rust all over them. Can honestly say got a long way if nxbus are going to switch me out my motor. Wow I knew they were old but Christ. Felt the need to get that off my chest. On a positive drive was polite and not covered in trash.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 12, 2019, 05:04:39 PM
I know I moan about the lack of investment on the 94s and that was previously from observation from driving. I can now honestly say after being on one today I'm right, it was disgusting I dont remember them looking this trashed back in 90s. All the blue interior just smeared with dirt and rust all over them. Can honestly say got a long way if nxbus are going to switch me out my motor. Wow I knew they were old but Christ. Felt the need to get that off my chest. On a positive drive was polite and not covered in trash.
I'd like to know where the 'rust all over them' was As there is no steel you can see, so impossible for rust!
I'd of taken a picture, under the seats for a start. The point is it was quick but not nice. Used public transport in London central line which is old and the 140 Hayes bus and was no wY as bad as yesterday's experience.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 13, 2019, 03:22:02 PM
I'd of taken a picture, under the seats for a start. The point is it was quick but not nice. Used public transport in London central line which is old and the 140 Hayes bus and was no wY as bad as yesterday's experience.
Really? London's buses and trains are in a far worse state than West Midlands with window etching far more common along with many vehicles, both bus and rail with very poor appearance
Traversing the 16 today; been up and down a few times and I have to say, it's quite a mixed bag at the moment - as could be expected. Along with 6994 & 6995 are the standard Trident E400 & Gemini mix, along with two Omnilinks!
First day in service for 6996; it has just passed me on Smallbrook Queensway
7000 out on 16. Departed markets 08.10
6997 out this evening too
I've been for a ride on both 7000 and 7500 today; very nice indeed.
No 'next stop' announcements as yet and wondered if there is a 'go live' date?
Also, I couldn't get the Wi-Fi to work - but that may be just me....
7500 expired in Upper Dean St @ 15:30
Cheers ... Richard
Quote from: Wibble on June 22, 2019, 03:44:48 PM
7500 expired in Upper Dean St @ 15:30
Cheers ... Richard
what does it mean by expired
Quote from: SK68MEV on June 23, 2019, 12:00:58 AM
what does it mean by expired
Bost, Broke Down, Kaput, Dead, Needing Recovery, and any other synonyms you can think of
6818 is on the 16 - Is this the first time a 66 plate has appeared since it's received its upgrade?
Quote from: CL on June 23, 2019, 04:16:18 PM
6818 is on the 16 - Is this the first time a 66 plate has appeared since it's received its upgrade?
6997 was the only new vehicle in use on the 16 on Sunday (23rd) All the others appeared to be 48xx
6996 was also used on Sunday
Quote from: 37351ml on June 20, 2019, 08:12:37 AM
7000 out on 16. Departed markets 08.10
Great to see fleetline WDA 700 T back in service!!
Finally got to ride one of the newbies today, 7000. Looks so much smarter with the posters inside and the branding. Much better than the half-arsed ones on the 23/24 and X20/X21/X22.
Quote from: MasterPlan on June 25, 2019, 09:18:37 PM
Finally got to ride one of the newbies today, 7000. Looks so much smarter with the posters inside and the branding. Much better than the half-arsed ones on the 23/24 and X20/X21/X22.
I still don't understand why they haven't done the full branding yet
Quote from: mesub on June 25, 2019, 09:43:26 PM
I still don't understand why they haven't done the full branding yet
They've never updated the X1 and X2 route maps for some reason either. The X1 and X2 route maps, still say you change at Yardley Swan for the 59 to Kingshurst or at the Airport for the 966 to Erdington.
Will the BC Platinum routes be getting the new branding at some point?
6995 has the next stop announcements for the 16. First time I've heard the female version, and I have to say I prefer the male one to be honest.
On a side note a little disappointing to see graffiti already on a window on the top deck.
7504 out on the 16 this morning
7501 “kate Lauren” out too, that would havce been a good one for the cricket shuttle, i do like that new platinum smell. 7503 “Surinder”out too
unbranded 7506 is having its first day in service on the 907 today
What tines will 7506 be in city please thanks
7505 (16), 7507 (X3/4/5) both out for the first time today completing the batch
Where are the buses previously used on the 16 heading, anybody know if not been mentioned already.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 12, 2019, 08:57:46 PM
Where are the buses previously used on the 16 heading, anybody know if not been mentioned already.
Gemini's going from PB to AG sending non crimson Gemini's to Coventry
E400 are staying at PB and will probably going on the 65/67/94 if the next batch of PB platinums go on to the 907
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 12, 2019, 08:57:46 PM
Where are the buses previously used on the 16 heading, anybody know if not been mentioned already.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on July 12, 2019, 09:34:12 PM
Gemini's going from PB to AG sending non crimson Gemini's to Coventry
E400 are staying at PB and will probably going on the 65/67/94 if the next batch of PB platinums go on to the 907
Recently I've seen the ex 16 E400 across all PB routes that use standard E400 and Gemini.
There are a number of the E400 that were previously used on the 16, on the 94 most days now alongside the Gemini, including today.
Quote from: 2206 on July 12, 2019, 09:57:00 PM
Recently I've seen the ex 16 E400 across all PB routes that use standard E400 and Gemini.
There are a number of the E400 that were previously used on the 16, on the 94 most days now alongside the Gemini, including today.
Seems to be how most double deck routes operating in the city centre operate:
An older double decker (Gemini, Trident, ALX400/B7)
A newer double decker (E400, E400MMC)
PB 4802,4803 and 4806 are on loan to YW.
Platinums 7508-7514 (7 vehicles) arriving at PB next, but are they for:
907 - possibly (hopefully)
101 - it's possible
52 - surely not !
Quote from: Steve3229vp on July 20, 2019, 02:44:27 PM
Platinums 7508-7514 (7 vehicles) arriving at PB next, but are they for:
907 - possibly (hopefully)
101 - it's possible
52 - surely not !
Haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, but 6824 was seemingly on the 101 the other day..
Probably just a one off, to be honest. I wouldn't have considered the 101 for an upgrade, as nice as it would be (being another one of my local services :P )
@Steve3229vp I'm think the 907 (renumbered to X7) I do wonder if the remaining 9** services will get an X in front of them soon?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on July 20, 2019, 02:44:27 PM
Platinums 7508-7514 (7 vehicles) arriving at PB next, but are they for:
907 - possibly (hopefully)
101 - it's possible
52 - surely not !
I'd bet on the 907 for PB.
Mod's edit: please see Quoting topic http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2781.0
Quote from: CL on July 20, 2019, 02:56:09 PM
Haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, but 6824 was seemingly on the 101 the other day..
Probably just a one off, to be honest. I wouldn't have considered the 101 for an upgrade, as nice as it would be (being another one of my local services :P )
Although I don't think the new buses will head for the 101, I can't see why it wouldn't be considered. It's always busy and a popular route. It's also received new buses over the years, so it's not unheard of.
Quote from: Gareth on July 20, 2019, 06:48:15 PM
Although I don't think the new buses will head for the 101, I can't see why it wouldn't be considered. It's always busy and a popular route. It's also received new buses over the years, so it's not unheard of.
Can't see it being the 101, I think it'll be the 907, it's the only route that makes sense, in regards to PVR. The 33 too, but 7 won't be enough to cover the PVR
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 20, 2019, 11:55:44 PM
The 33 too, but 7 won't be enough to cover the PVR
The 94 could also be put into that category of always having been a very busy popular route. The 55 too, combining with the 94 to an every 4 mins frequency on this corridor.
Though like most routes on this side of the City, these routes have seen very little investment in recent years.
Quote from: 2206 on July 21, 2019, 07:22:19 PM
The 94 could also be put into that category of being always having been a busy and popular route. 55 too, combining with the 94 to an every 4 mins frequency on this corridor.
Though like most routes on this side of the City, these routes have seen very little investment in recent years.
The 16, 33 & Sutton Lines are arguably more high profile routes than the 94, which is probably why there has been a lack of investment
There have been rumours around the 94 drivers that they are next in line for platinums ,but the 94 pvr is greater than 7 so not likely unless there's more due.
Quote from: Steveminor on July 23, 2019, 09:33:10 PM
There have been rumours around the 94 drivers that they are next in line for platinums ,but the 94 pvr is greater than 7 so not likely unless there's more due.
Perhaps it could be the ones going to Yardley Wood. If they are only based there temporarily for the 6, till the electric vehicles arrive?
Quote from: Steveminor on July 23, 2019, 09:33:10 PM
There have been rumours around the 94 drivers that they are next in line for platinums ,but the 94 pvr is greater than 7 so not likely unless there's more due.
Stop trying to wind up
@monkeyjoe ;)
What's the PVR of the 907?
Sounds positive if I could believe it, however fact would be another routes cast offs I can believe ;)
A mixed bag on the 94 today. Joining the usual Gemini and E400 is an Omnicity and 7506.
Quote from: Gareth on July 29, 2019, 12:16:07 PM
A mixed bag on the 94 today. Joining the usual Gemini and E400 is an Omnicity and 7506.
The omnicity on the 94 is 4779.
7510 left town at 13:30 on the X5
7509 is on the 67 today
Just seen 187* 28 branded go down Sladefield route presumably towards garage are buses allowed to go down side roads
7510 seen going into Sutton on the 907 at 12:30 today
4780 is on 33 just in carrs lane
4780 has just won an award at buses festival at gaydon :D
Is 6995 out of service only its been missing from the 16 for a while
Quote from: 37351ml on August 22, 2019, 08:39:41 AM
Is 6995 out of service only its been missing from the 16 for a while
At Carlyle, had a car drive into the side of it
1836 is on the 38 at Erdington.. Don't suppose it'll be on for much longer as one of the windows looks to have been smashed.
re: smashed windows; just passed a 28-branded Omnilink at Holly Lane with the door pane in shatters too!
Engineer in attendance of 4824 at Jewellery Quarter; 6811 also there, albeit 'not in service'
Possible change bus, perhaps?
Quote from: Gareth on September 06, 2019, 01:37:16 PM
7514 on the 94 today. Not mega 'noteworthy', but less common than the norm.
There are another 2 Platinums on the 94 today. 6797 and 6798 I think.
Though they do seem to be becoming a more regular occurrence now.
Quote from: 2206 on September 07, 2019, 05:38:51 PM
There are another 2 Platinums on the 94 today. 6797 and 6798 I think.
Though they do seem to be becoming a more regular occurrence now.
6824 is todays Platinum on the 94. Are they using the spare platinums on the 94 now that the 907 is completely platinum? Since they seem to have one on there most days now.
4780 is also on the 94 today, in heritage livey.
There's a police van in attendance of 7000, which is currently parked in the entrance of the St. Martin Queensway tunnel
4780 on the 52
Quote from: markcf83 on September 18, 2019, 02:27:09 PM
4812-route 94.
That's not noteworthy, in any way. The 94 gets multiple E400 every single day.
See the list of usual allocations: http://westmidlandsbususers.co.uk/nx-bus-usual-allocations/
Standard allocation on the 94 and 65/67 is a mix of Gemini and 09 plate E400.
@markcf83
Wasn't sure so posted it. Thanks.
Does anyone have an idea when the roadworks at college road is due to finish?
Not sure.
Is the new Perry Barr garage being built?
7501 (in service on the 16) has just passed my 74 on the Soho Road, heading citybound
can't think of where it came from.. somewhere from Handsworth Wood, I suppose - and then following the 101 route to Soho Road?
Back on the road, 6995 was on 16's earlier today
Seen a 19 reg platinum on 94 earlier and from fox and goose it went down alum rock road any reasons why
Quote from: SK68MEV on October 11, 2019, 10:48:38 PM
Seen a 19 reg platinum on 94 earlier and from fox and goose it went down alum rock road any reasons why
Would have been 7506, as that was on the 94 today.
(Left the City Centre at 15:30).
Quote from: SK68MEV on October 11, 2019, 10:48:38 PM
Seen a 19 reg platinum on 94 earlier and from fox and goose it went down alum rock road any reasons why
There's been some overnight roadworks on Washwood Heath Road.
Quote from: Gareth on October 12, 2019, 10:34:10 AM
There's been some overnight roadworks on Washwood Heath Road.
ohh no wonder as I didn't see any services coming from that side either
Nice allocation on the 94 this evening, all E400 and a 750X Platinum, didn't see any Gemini betweeen City Centre - Fox & Goose.
Would be good to see some route branding on this corridor I think, maybe route brand 4801 - 12.
Quote from: 2206 on October 22, 2019, 06:42:51 PM
Nice allocation on the 94 this evening, all E400 and a 750X Platinum, didn't see any Gemini betweeen City Centre - Fox & Goose.
Would be good to see some route branding on this corridor I think, maybe route brand 4801 - 12.
@2206 The Platinum was 7509 saw it about 18:20 at Saltley Gate outbound
4777 is out on the 7
Has just left Birmingham if anyone wants it - with it being the last Omnicity in red/white
https://www.nationalexpressgroup.com/media/3834/national-express-group-summer-autumn-2019-investor-presentation.pdf
P46, what are they talking about when they make the point depot redesign, i thought this garage was due to close soon and relocate or is that what they are referring too?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 28, 2019, 05:55:59 PM
https://www.nationalexpressgroup.com/media/3834/national-express-group-summer-autumn-2019-investor-presentation.pdf
P46, what are they talking about when they make the point depot redesign, i thought this garage was due to close soon and relocate or is that what they are referring too?
Also mentions purchasing Only EV vehicles in West Midlands area for 2020 so only 29 new buses next year?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on October 28, 2019, 07:21:05 PM
Also mentions purchasing Only EV vehicles in West Midlands area for 2020 so only 29 new buses next year?
What makes you say that?
Quote from: Tony on October 28, 2019, 07:24:10 PM
What makes you say that?
Scrap that, it said on P47 purchasing only EV buses this year but that's under the Done column
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on October 28, 2019, 07:44:09 PM
Scrap that, it said on P47 purchasing only EV buses this year but that's under the Done column
Still don't get where you are coming from. Where does it say no more (electric) buses will be ordered?
Quote from: Tony on October 28, 2019, 07:50:55 PM
Still don't get where you are coming from. Where does it say no more (electric) buses will be ordered?
I'm confusing myself here haha.
On P47 it say only EVs purchased for the year (does that mean Only the electrics will be purchased in 2020 no normal diesels for the 2020 bus order?)
Quote from: cris 99 on November 01, 2019, 09:10:30 PM
PB 4826 94
Usual allocation. I assume you meant to post it in the Route branded buses of route thread, rather than noteworthy workings?
Quote from: cris 99 on November 01, 2019, 09:10:30 PM
6997 94
I also caught 6824 on the 94 this morning, at about 10:00. Though from what I've seen, it seems the 94 will get any double decker at PB these days.
Posts after the last one have been split off into a new thread:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=5560.0
Generic branded 7509 was out on the 94 yesterday saw it on the Coleshill Road inbound just before Tesco's around 11:20ish.
4777 now in for paint so PB now red/white free.
7512 seems to be on the CG contract today.. been a while since I've seen a decker on there
4780 on the 16
Seen 4822 at Lawley Middleway going towards Coventry Road. Does anyone know why it was going down there?
Quote from: Busboy105 on November 21, 2019, 11:54:19 AM
Seen 4822 at Lawley Middleway going towards Coventry Road. Does anyone know why it was going down there?
could be going greysons
Where any of your lot caught up in that fracas at star city, vile little £**(ys. .?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 23, 2019, 11:17:35 PM
Where any of your lot caught up in that fracas at star city, vile little £**(ys. .?
Yeah, feel sorry for all the kids that went. They must be scared s***less.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 23, 2019, 11:17:35 PM
Where any of your lot caught up in that fracas at star city, vile little £**(ys. .?
yes very sad lots of kids were lost and selfish thugs were driving around with balaclavas on and kids were walking around wiv machetes
7512 has just passed me heading outbound with 907A on the blinds; thought it was a peak working only?
6796 out on the 94 seen at Saltley Gate outbound about 17:20
Noticed a 28 driver chase a small number of youths off the bus and along the street this afternoon, on a Small Heath bound service at Heartlands Hospital. And aggressively smacking the glass on the bus shelter several times. Think they must have been winding him up when they were speaking to him, when they got on his bus there.
Then stopped them from boarding the Old Oscott service before driving off and leaving them behind
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/demolition-12-shop-units-perry-17148688
I didn't realise the Perry Barr depot is being moved to the Aston Lane job centre, is it going to be as big doesn't look that big? (If i missed a post apologies).
Is this happening next year then?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on December 30, 2019, 03:34:07 PM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/demolition-12-shop-units-perry-17148688
I didn't realise the Perry Barr depot is being moved to the Aston Lane job centre, is it going to be as big doesn't look that big? (If i missed a post apologies).
Is this happening next year then?
The site is bigger than our current garage
Quote from: John on December 30, 2019, 03:39:58 PM
The site is bigger than our current garage
Interesting, can see some traffic issues, however suspect they have factored it in etc. When is the move happening then, has it been announced yet?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on December 30, 2019, 04:07:58 PM
Interesting, can see some traffic issues, however suspect they have factored it in etc. When is the move happening then, has it been announced yet?
No nothing yet, no work even started there yet
Quote from: John on December 30, 2019, 04:13:27 PM
No nothing yet, no work even started there yet
https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en&pb=!1s0x4870bd8f4f7c7b85:0xc61e7ba1ee23dbd4!3m1!7e115!4s//geo0.ggpht.com/cbk?panoid%3DzeFIceiaCBZsD4O7JVkW8Q%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.gws-prod/local-details-getcard.gps%26thumb%3D2%26yaw%3D103.643776%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100%26w%3D650%26h%3D218!5saston+lane+job+centre+-+Google+Search&imagekey=!1e2!2szeFIceiaCBZsD4O7JVkW8Q
Interesting the site doesn't look huge. (This working from home lark, can people tell i'm at procrastination stage).
Quote from: monkeyjoe on December 30, 2019, 04:35:41 PM
https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en&pb=!1s0x4870bd8f4f7c7b85:0xc61e7ba1ee23dbd4!3m1!7e115!4s//geo0.ggpht.com/cbk?panoid%3DzeFIceiaCBZsD4O7JVkW8Q%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.gws-prod/local-details-getcard.gps%26thumb%3D2%26yaw%3D103.643776%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100%26w%3D650%26h%3D218!5saston+lane+job+centre+-+Google+Search&imagekey=!1e2!2szeFIceiaCBZsD4O7JVkW8Q
Interesting the site doesn't look huge. (This working from home lark, can people tell i'm at procrastination stage).
The site extends way beyond the Job Centre (look on Google earth), assume the boundary of the new PB depot will extend up to run parallel with the railway lines, it may even include the car wash & factory unit next to the job centre currently.
(God help you when you've worked from home for 10 years then like me...)
Will be keen how it develops (literally).
Working from home for probably for longer, however will admit this role; ::) it's time for a change in line with PB depot.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on December 30, 2019, 05:02:19 PM
Will be keen how it develops (literally).
Working from home for probably for longer, however will admit this role; ::) it's time for a change in line with PB depot.
There was an artists impression of the new depot floating around somewhere (can't remember where thou...)
Quote from: Winston on December 30, 2019, 05:11:29 PM
There was an artists impression of the new depot floating around somewhere (can't remember where thou...)
Surprised i didn't read anything about it on here, only got that via goggle and Birmingham mail. Will that mean they may potentially take on more routes or it's not that big. ( i.e get the 55 and make that platinum double deckers, maybe).
The job centre, warehouse and car wash is also going what I've heard
So could this new place be that much bigger in preparation for when BC goes further down the line or that not happening anymore.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on December 30, 2019, 06:01:10 PM
So could this new place be that much bigger in preparation for when BC goes further down the line or that not happening anymore.
No, BC's already be sold (you've missed that as well):
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/business/regeneration-plans-national-express-site-16064400
Quote from: Winston on December 30, 2019, 06:02:42 PM
No, BC's already be sold (you've missed that as well):
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/business/regeneration-plans-national-express-site-16064400
Cheers for the that, i do remember reading that now durrr. That was April, has stuff moved on since then or have they been waiting for Brexit :).
https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/downloads/file/12242/bcc34_-_national_express_bus_garage_pre-application_proposal
It doesn't seem that much bigger than the existing PB garage, the legend indicates capacity of 180, inc 30 x 18m Sprint Buses.
Quote from: Winston on December 31, 2019, 11:09:41 AM
It doesn't seem that much bigger than the existing PB garage, the legend indicates capacity of 180, inc 30 x 18m Sprint Buses.
No, I guess the council will only have had to found a site that was suitable for a like for like replacement facility and not an increased capacity site.
Quote from: D10 on December 31, 2019, 01:17:43 PM
No, I guess the council will only have had to found a site that was suitable for a like for like replacement facility and not an increased capacity site.
The way NX have expanded of late in the WM, it would make sense to build a new depot with some spare capacity. There's scope to increase capacity by removing the Wellhead Lane entrance/exit & just have one.
The vast majority of buses parked up for the night won't be under cover it seems. Perhaps Wheatley Street, Coventry will go down as the last all-under-cover garage built in the West Midlands (admittedly quite a few are parked outside there too).
Interesting stuff.
Quote from: pb2012 on December 31, 2019, 10:06:29 AM
https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/downloads/file/12242/bcc34_-_national_express_bus_garage_pre-application_proposal
Interesting, looks like an efficient design.
Quote from: Winston on December 31, 2019, 11:09:41 AM
It doesn't seem that much bigger than the existing PB garage, the legend indicates capacity of 180, inc 30 x 18m Sprint Buses.
That is also interesting, has the Sprint contract gone out to tender yet? I'm not aware that it has.
Also interesting is it shows '20 electric single deckers' as part of the parking plan.
I'd hazard a guess that this is perhaps just some 'future-proofing' as part of the proposal; if NX did not secure the Sprint contract, or declined to purchase any electric single decks, those parking spaces could accomodate a much larger number of double-decks instead.
Quote from: Stu on December 31, 2019, 04:42:08 PM
Interesting, looks like an efficient design.
That is also interesting, has the Sprint contract gone out to tender yet? I'm not aware that it has.
Also interesting is it shows '20 electric single deckers' as part of the parking plan.
I'd hazard a guess that this is perhaps just some 'future-proofing' as part of the proposal; if NX did not secure the Sprint contract, or declined to purchase any electric single decks, those parking spaces could accomodate a much larger number of double-decks instead.
The meeting to be held in January will sign off the agreement and and a procument to invitation to tender will follow. The invitation to tender document will have provision for the redevelopment of the said NXWM garage but National Express PLC will be just one of many companies expected to tender personally I would hope it would be awarded to another local operator not the current dominant one.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on December 31, 2019, 05:16:38 PM
The meeting to be held in January will sign off the agreement and and a procument to invitation to tender will follow. The invitation to tender document will have provision for the redevelopment of the said NXWM garage but National Express PLC will be just one of many companies expected to tender personally I would hope it would be awarded to another local operator not the current dominant one.
If NXWM didn't win the Sprint tender, what's to stop them providing competition for Sprint with the current X51 to include potential further enhancements?
Quote from: Winston on December 31, 2019, 05:19:10 PM
If NXWM didn't win the Sprint tender, what's to stop them providing competition for Sprint with the current X51 to include potential further enhancements?
By the time Sprint commences WMCA will have introduced full QEPs & EPs on the corridor which would eliminate the need for compeition.
https://bbc.in/36hkHOQ
Quote from: Nxwm on January 02, 2020, 11:10:36 PM
https://bbc.in/36hkHOQ
Very interesting report from the BBC as this is a matter for National Express Plc & Birmingham City Council its outside my scope I wonder who got the number crunching wrong but I did say it was all agreed just before the New Year about Sprint in order to get it signed off this month didnt I.........
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 02, 2020, 11:45:03 PM
Very interesting report from the BBC as this is a matter for National Express Plc & Birmingham City Council its outside my scope I wonder who got the number crunching wrong but I did say it was all agreed just before the New Year about Sprint in order to get it signed off this month didnt I.........
That's not a minor one, if I did that In my P&L I'd be out the door.
Quote from: Nxwm on January 02, 2020, 11:10:36 PM
https://bbc.in/36hkHOQ
It was just talked about on bbc midlands today.
Headline on ITV news
Is there a reason why the 16A doesn't operate all day? It is a good link between Birmingham and Great Barr (yes the 51/X51 are the routes to go for if going to Great Barr) but the 16A only takes 30 minutes to get to Great Barr which is only a few minutes slower than the 51 and considering the traffic that will occur thanks to Sprint and the flyover that is being demolished, it could be a decent alternative.
Quote from: Busboy105 on January 10, 2020, 01:48:36 PM
Is there a reason why the 16A doesn't operate all day? It is a good link between Birmingham and Great Barr (yes the 51/X51 are the routes to go for if going to Great Barr) but the 16A only takes 30 minutes to get to Great Barr which is only a few minutes slower than the 51 and considering the traffic that will occur thanks to Sprint and the flyover that is being demolished, it could be a decent alternative.
If it ran all day it would take a lot longer than 30mins, that time is based on 4:25 in the morning and around midnight
There used to be more 16A journeys didn't there? Didn't some get withdrawn?
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 10, 2020, 03:07:29 PM
There used to be more 16A journeys didn't there? Didn't some get withdrawn?
Nearly all of the 16s used to start and finish at Scott Arms as an A to go to and from garage
From Birmingham Mail:
Investigation into millions being spent on moving bus depot just 300 metres in Birmingham
Relocation of the National Express bus depot is costing the council nearly eight times as much as first thought - totalling over £13 million
(https://i2-prod.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article17587524.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/1_Untitled.png)
Full article: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/investigation-multi-million-bid-move-17586367
I don't know if it is just me, but there is an 'undercurrent' behind this story, and reading between the lines there appears to be some insinuation that the cost of this relocation has jumped from £2m to £15m and that National Express are getting this shiny new depot 'for free', at council taxpayers expense.
Seems to me like the BM are trying to whip up the public and get them angry, but are not telling the full story.
Am I right in thinking that NX would have been happy to keep the depot at its present location? Does NX own the building or is it rented/leased? Isn't this all a massive inconvenience for NX?
As far as I am aware, the council wanted this land so they could build this 'athletes village' for the Commonwealth Games.
Its always amazing how when it comes to schemes like these, there's always millions of pounds of money available if you shake the magic money tree hard enough!
Definitely can't see the 94 getting allocated brand new vehicles now or even branding if backlash starts lol
the athletes are here for a few weeks and it is a massive farce, surely they could have put up athletes in the student accommodation of uni of coventry, university of birmingham, aston bcu and wolverhampton university. as universities would have broke up for summer and nearly all rooms would have been free.
there is no need to move Perry Barr garage
Quote from: Ginger66 on January 18, 2020, 05:29:38 PM
the athletes are here for a few weeks and it is a massive farce, surely they could have put up athletes in the student accommodation of uni of coventry, university of birmingham, aston bcu and wolverhampton university. as universities would have broke up for summer and nearly all rooms would have been free.
there is no need to move Perry Barr garage
The idea is to build lots of affordable housing for Birmingham residents, but use it for the athletes before putting it on the market, The price may be a farce, but the idea certainly isn't.
Quote from: Tony on January 18, 2020, 06:35:24 PM
The idea is to build lots of affordable housing for Birmingham residents, but use it for the athletes before putting it on the market, The price may be a farce, but the idea certainly isn't.
The Mayor campaigned hard for the Commonwealth Games
@Tony and it will be delivered by The Commonwealth Games Delivery Team within the agreed budget between now and 2022. I have full confidence in my colleagues the other members of the delivery team and we look to deliver a successful games to Birmingham
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 18, 2020, 06:43:26 PM
The Mayor campaigned hard for the Commonwealth Games @Tony and it will be delivered by The Commonwealth Games Delivery Team within the agreed budget between now and 2022. I have full confidence in my colleagues the other members of the delivery team and we look to deliver a successful games to Birmingham
Can you comment on why the cost of relocating this bus depot has increased from £2m to £15m?
Quote from: Stu on January 18, 2020, 06:51:01 PM
Can you comment on why the cost of relocating this bus depot has increased from £2m to £15m?
To be honest
@Stu I wish I could I am honest with everything else I do but I am subject to a confidentiality clause on this one as soon as I can publically comment on the forum about specific aspects such as this I will at the moment its protected marked..
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 18, 2020, 07:59:32 PM
To be honest @Stu I wish I could I am honest with everything else I do but I am subject to a confidentiality clause on this one as soon as I can publically comment on the forum about specific aspects such as this I will at the moment its protected marked..
Very interesting how you can tell us that there's a tube station underneath Buckingham Palace but can't tell us this.
Quote from: mesub on January 18, 2020, 09:52:52 PM
Very interesting how you can tell us that there's a tube station underneath Buckingham Palace but can't tell us this.
SIMPLE I got clearance from my line manager in Whitehall to post that its was ok as it was historic this topic is protected marked and therefore I cannot comment.
Tbf a simple YouTube search and Geoff Marshall (if you are a fan of the tube, look him up, his channel is nothing short of fascinating) shows the secret entrance from parliament square station to the houses of Parliament.
Quote from: danny on January 19, 2020, 08:20:36 PM
Tbf a simple YouTube search and Geoff Marshall (if you are a fan of the tube, look him up, his channel is nothing short of fascinating) shows the secret entrance from parliament square station to the houses of Parliament.
I did say it was historic and I had no trouble getting the post cleared.
People smoking on 4799 earlier. What's the point of having safer travel police at Saltley Gate, with the inspectors if they are not going to tell these people to get off. Supposed to be part of there job surely.
Don't think it is very good people think it acceptable and will hardly encourage people onto the bus.
Also never see them on the X1/X2 routes, a few frequeny people who routinely refuse to pay on there and that turn threatening with passengers when you don't give them money, when they are begging. Hardly going to encourage people onto the bus either. In the Sheldon area at the Wheatsheaf/ Lyndon Road towards Birmingham City Centre
Quote from: 2206 on January 25, 2020, 06:04:12 PM
People smoking on 4799 earlier. What's the point of having safer travel police at Saltley Gate, with the inspectors if they are not going to tell these people to get off. Part of there job surely.
Did you, or anyone else tell them who had been smoking?
Quote from: 2206 on January 25, 2020, 06:04:12 PM
People smoking on 4799 earlier. What's the point of having safer travel police at Saltley Gate, with the inspectors if they are not going to tell these people to get off. Supposed to be part of there job surely.
Don't think it is very good people think it acceptable and will hardly encourage people onto the bus.
Also never see them on the X1/X2 routes, a few frequeny people who refuse to pay on there and that turn threatening with passengers when you don't give them money, when they are begging. Hardly going to encourage people onto the bus either. In the Sheldon area at the Wheatsheaf/ Lyndon Road towards Birmingham City Centre
If you See Something, Say Something:
https://safertravel.info/
Quote from: Stu on January 25, 2020, 06:18:18 PM
If you See Something, Say Something:
https://safertravel.info/
Tell me about it
@Stu over a dozen reports from me to TfWM Safer Travel from me alone in the first twelve months of the replacement for the 140 take it from me it's not nice having lighter fluid poured over you so I would encourage everyone who is the victim of unsocial behaviour on the bus network or witness something Please Report It it will be investigated by TfWM The Mayor takes this very seriously as
@Stu quite rightly says:
If you See Something, Say Something:
https://safertravel.info/
Quote from: Tony on January 25, 2020, 06:05:49 PM
Did you, or anyone else tell them who had been smoking?
I'm sorry but why would you tell the inspector that there are people smoking, who are likely to know that you as an individual have raised issues of them. With society nowadays it's really not worth it. Keep your head down and get on with it.
Yes, this could easily be an issue - however I understand you can text 61016 if you see anything is wrong - see it, say it, sorted ;D
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 25, 2020, 09:06:24 PM
I'm sorry but why would you tell the inspector that there are people smoking, who are likely to know that you as an individual have raised issues of them. With society nowadays it's really not worth it. Keep your head down and get on with it.
@Trident 4194 never ever approach anyone full on report it to TfWM SAY SOMETHING SEE SOMETHING its it's never ever ever at all your role to confront anyone report lt leave it at that you are worth more to everyone including me than ending up in the QE A&E for what you are worth so much better than thier level I have had bulling on the replacement to the 140 some gits lock on to u because ur different in a tie have a man bag etc I had to yobs on a bus service from Brum to Blackheath I may have mentioned it b4 but they would not stop homophobic chants etc I got off at The Amber Tavern to get the 9/4H home but being to yobs they are the followed me off the bus that currently runs from Birmingham to Blackheath via Hagley Rd to pick a fight with the whimpy gayboy who they had been taunting the shaven head yob who threw a punch at me had the shock of his life as this white collar boxing gayboy threw such a punch I decked him in 1 & his mate just run away never confront anti social behaviour on a bus but always report it.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 25, 2020, 09:06:24 PM
I'm sorry but why would you tell the inspector that there are people smoking, who are likely to know that you as an individual have raised issues of them. With society nowadays it's really not worth it. Keep your head down and get on with it.
It's quite easy if you are diplomatic, the inspector will be coming to everyone on the bus, During my time as a revenue inspector several thingsvwere eaised with my team without the offenders knowing who had told us. And if no one tells the police how are they supposed to know which was the original point of the post.
Quote from: Tony on January 25, 2020, 09:59:04 PM
It's quite easy if you are diplomatic, the inspector will be coming to everyone on the bus, During my time as a revenue inspector several thingsvwere eaised with my team without the offenders knowing who had told us. And if no one tells the police how are they supposed to know which was the original point of the post.
@Tony is so so right please report it
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 25, 2020, 10:32:25 PM
@Tony is so so right please report it
I've been on a X22 at 6pm at night (2018) heading out to Bartley green, with 2 idiots arguing over something, 1 had only just been released from prison, and was threatening to stab the other guy over something, kept verbally abusing each other. I was sat near the front upstairs , as more and more people started to get off, I was quite fearful for my life at this point, and made a fast decision to move downstairs, where Another young school boy had also moved downstairs in fear and explained that the guy was going to stab him after he got of the bus, he was really scared saying if they get off he won't be getting it at the same stop. All in all probably the most frightening experience of my life. Upon arriving at Bartley green I had a while to wait for the 002, so jumped on the 23 heading towards that pub on the corner, and ending up walking over the motorway bridge to spies lane.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 25, 2020, 10:55:26 PM
I've been on a X22 at 6pm at night (2018) heading out to Bartley green, with 2 idiots arguing over something, 1 had only just been released from prison, and was threatening to stab the other guy over something, kept verbally abusing each other. I was sat near the front upstairs , as more and more people started to get off, I was quite fearful for my life at this point, and made a fast decision to move downstairs, where Another young school boy had also moved downstairs in fear and explained that the guy was going to stab him after he got of the bus, he was really scared saying if they get off he won't be getting it at the same stop. All in all probably the most frightening experience of my life. Upon arriving at Bartley green I had a while to wait for the 002, so jumped on the 23 heading towards that pub on the corner, and ending up walking over the motorway bridge to spies lane.
Mate
@Trident 4194 I have had the same over the years never make eye contact keep calm and let it pass I am going to PM my direct mobile number if you are ever in this sort of position again mate ring me a honestly I will try and get it sorted asap
Just going through the fleet and noticed 4816 isn't there where has it gone
Quote from: SK68MEV on February 16, 2020, 11:11:13 PM
Just going through the fleet and noticed 4816 isn't there where has it gone
4799 was 4816.
Quote from: BH2004 on February 16, 2020, 11:58:24 PM
What happend to it
See the link below
@BH2004.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-21697693
Quote from: 2206 on February 16, 2020, 11:59:54 PM
See the link below @BH2004.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-21697693
I remember that. It hasn't returned to the fleet since then?
Quote from: Busboy105 on February 17, 2020, 11:06:50 AM
I remember that. It hasn't returned to the fleet since then?
See the comments above
Quote from: Busboy105 on February 17, 2020, 11:06:50 AM
I remember that. It hasn't returned to the fleet since then?
It has as 4799....
I see work has started on the land where the new garage will be built!!!!
Saw a Platinum on the 94 this morning at Ward End at 09:30 going towards Chelmsley Wood, while I was wating for a bus towards the City Centre.
Noticed the destination display unusually said via Ward End on it. Unusual to see a 94 displaying that since usually:
The 94 displays via Castle Bromwich (or Castle Brom on the Gemini).
Usually only the 55 that displays via Ward End
Doesn't look like the Platinums out still, from what I saw.
Quote from: 2206 on February 24, 2020, 03:16:58 PM
Saw a Platinum on the 94 this morning at Ward End at 09:30 going towards Chelmsley Wood, while I was wating for a bus towards the City Centre.
Noticed the destination display unusually said via Ward End on it. Unusual to see a 94 displaying that since usually:
The 94 displays via Castle Bromwich (or Castle Brom on the Gemini).
Usually only the 55 that displays via Ward End
Doesn't look like the Platinums out still, from what I saw.
It would've been 6826 (i was told it was on there) as BC now operate a morning peak board on the 94. It does the 94C school service beforehand then runs to work the 08:18 ex Chelmsley Wood, 09:14 from city.
Quote from: Nathan on February 24, 2020, 04:15:47 PM
It would've been 6826 (i was told it was on there) as BC now operate a morning peak board on the 94 (does the 94C school service beforehand). 08:18 ex Chelmsley Wood, 09:14 from city.
Yes it was 6826.
I thought it read 6826. But wasn't 100% sure, as didn't know what a BC bus would be doing on there, so thought I must have been mistaken.
That does explain it then, thanks.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/former-birmingham-bus-driver-birnham-17955710
EX Hockley and Perry Barr driver R.I.P
Quote from: 2900 on April 07, 2020, 04:04:41 PM.
Rise in drunks and druggies too.
So I saw the driver of X3/X4/X5 Branded Platinum having to remove two drug addicts from the bus, using invalid tickets at Hodge Hill, Coleshill Road, Southbourne Avenue on the 94 towards Chelmsley on my way back from the shop. This was about 11AM - Midday this morning.
Same two drug addicts stood at a 94 bus stop on Coleshill Road around half an hour ago.
Surely anyone using dodgy tickets should be removed from the bus by the police, as totally doubt anyone travelling with dodgy tickets is going to be going anywhere essential. And totally unacceptable considering the country is supposed to be in a lockdown I think. After all if they tried to steal from the supermarket, they'd have been arrested surely. And in my view is this not the same thing.
For information only.
The X15 was operated by 1910 this morning to save vehicle type queries
Quote from: Tony on April 27, 2020, 09:52:18 AM
For information only.
The X15 was operated by 1910 this morning to save vehicle type queries
Main site says 1910 is a Walsall bus? Has it transferred to PB?
Quote from: 2206 on April 27, 2020, 12:46:33 PM
Main site says 1910 is a Walsall bus? Has it transferred to PB?
apologies, meant 1900
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/watch-bus-drivers-amazing-tiktok-18152753
I'm happy to see something positive on the Birmingham Mail website!
Current operational fleet
431
435
1875
1876
1877
1899
1900
1925
1927
1928
1930
4779
4780
4799
4801
6796
6797
6798
6799
6802
6803
6804
6807
6809
6811
6812
6813
6814
6817
6818
6819
6821
6822
6823
6824
7000
7020
7021
7022
7023
7027
7029
7030
7031
7032
7500
7501
7502
7503
7504
7505
7506
7507
7508
7509
7510
7511
7512
7513
7514
Coming back at PB are
1863
1864
6995
6996
6997
6998
Noticed yesterday 6996, hasn't had its destination display updated like the other buses at Perry Barr have.
So was the odd one out of the buses on there yesterday displaying its old 94 blind. Not the new one that all the other buses that have been using over the past few weeks.
Presumably when they are off the road they don't get the displays updated.
Today I've seen 6798, 6799, 7506 and 33 branded 4849 on the 94. So not a return to pre lockdown allocation of mostly unbranded 09 Plate E400 and Gemini.
Presumably they will still mostly use newer vehicles where possible, with timetables still being reduced?
Though I have seen 4655 on the 11C.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on May 28, 2020, 01:27:44 PM
Had a message from a driver saying they saw 4780 on PBX3 earlier. Looks like it only did half a trip to Birmingham before being swapped. I think there's a 15ft bridge on the Birmingham Road towards Lichfield though? So don't think it would have started in Lichfield.
@Michael Bevan Scanias are banned off the X3 because of that bridge, they will fit as they are 14 foot 8 but its too close to risk them on the X3. There was a breakdown on Clarence Road this morning so probably replaced that for the inbound trip
Quote from: John on May 28, 2020, 02:09:02 PM
@Michael Bevan
Scanias are banned off the X3 because of that bridge, they will fit as they are 14 foot 8 but its too close to risk them on the X3. There was a breakdown on Clarence Road this morning so probably replaced that for the inbound trip
It did do the full journey from Lichfield at 11:23
After given the go-ahead, it seems, works to 'upgrade' the Snow Hill public realm will begin from next week
https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/news/article/632/construction_work_set_to_begin_on_snow_hill_public_realm_project?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SocialSignIn
As far as I'm concerned, buses are still allowed to use Colmore Row, following the completion of the works - however, as the website above does state, the right turn from Livery Street onto Colmore Row will be removed.
QuoteThe first phase will focus on improving public realm along Colmore Row and Livery Street, work will include removal of the right turn from Livery Street onto Colmore Row, meaning all traffic will turn left onto Colmore Row.
Artist impressions:
https://twitter.com/TDBbirmingham/status/1268948997043040257?s=20
This will also see the Livery Street bus stop moved to the main pedestrian entrance for Snow Hill Station and taxi ranks on Colmore Row being moved to create a new rank at the top of Livery Street.
I don't see this as much of a problem for the 7 & 52, which uses the left turn anyway, but I've got some concerns in regards to the 101. No doubt, there will be amendments to the route; it'll be interesting (to me, at least) how drastic these changes are.
Artists' impressions
https://twitter.com/TDBbirmingham/status/1268948997043040257?s=20
Quote from: CL on June 05, 2020, 06:36:55 PM
After given the go-ahead, it seems, works to 'upgrade' the Snow Hill public realm will begin from next week
https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/news/article/632/construction_work_set_to_begin_on_snow_hill_public_realm_project?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SocialSignIn
As far as I'm concerned, buses are still allowed to use Colmore Row, following the completion of the works - however, as the website above does state, the right turn from Livery Street onto Colmore Row will be removed.
I don't see this as much of a problem for the 7 & 52, which uses the left turn anyway, but I've got some concerns in regards to the 101. No doubt, there will be amendments to the route; it'll be interesting (to me, at least) how drastic these changes are.
Artists' impressions
https://twitter.com/TDBbirmingham/status/1268948997043040257?s=20
The 101 could turn left onto Great Charles Street Queensway instead of continuing onto Newhall Street and terminate on Colmore Row.
Or it could remain on its current route but just turn left at Colmore Row head down onto Snow Hill to St Chads, turn round to go back up to Colmore Row to continue on its usual route.
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 05, 2020, 07:14:42 PM
The 101 could turn left onto Great Charles Street Queensway instead of continuing onto Newhall Street and terminate on Colmore Row.
Or it could remain on its current route but just turn left at Colmore Row head down onto Snow Hill to St Chads, turn round to go back up to Colmore Row to continue on its usual route.
Last time I checked the left turn onto Great Charles Street Queensway is banned.
Simalarly the right turn off Great Charles Street Queensway onto Newhall Street is also banned.
It would have to go down Lionel Street and Ludgate Hill I think to get onto Great Charles Street Queensway.
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 05, 2020, 07:14:42 PM
The 101 could turn left onto Great Charles Street Queensway instead of continuing onto Newhall Street and terminate on Colmore Row.
As 2206 says, that turn is banned, for very good reason, as when the lights are on green for Newhall Street the green man shows for pedestrians to cross Great Charles Street, so an extremely dangerous manouvre
Quote from: 2206 on June 05, 2020, 07:39:31 PM
Last time I checked the left turn onto Great Charles Street Queensway is banned.
Simalarly the right turn off Great Charles Street Queensway onto Newhall Street is also banned.
It would have to go down Lionel Street and Ludgate Hill I think to get onto Great Charles Street Queensway.
Didn't know that. Thanks.
Was told that the 16:12 28 from Ward End towards Great Barr failed to operate today. And disappeared of the app.
Wander what happened to it?
Quote from: 2206 on June 08, 2020, 04:57:48 PM
Was told that the 16:12 28 from Ward End towards Great Barr failed to operate today. And disappeared of the app.
Wander what happened to it?
Well you were 'told wrong' 1904 left the Fox & Goose stop at 16:15:37
Is 4777 currently out of use?
Only ask as I can't remember the last time I saw that one. But have seen 4778, 4779 and 4780 in use over the past few weeks.
Quote from: 2206 on July 21, 2020, 07:37:43 PM
Is 4777 currently out of use?
Only ask as I can't remember the last time I saw that one. But have seen 4778, 4779 and 4780 in use over the past few weeks.
No. Currently at Perry Common terminus on the 7
Quote from: Tony on July 21, 2020, 07:52:40 PM
No. Currently at Perry Common terminus on the 7
Thanks for confirming that its in use. Hopefully it will make an appearance on the 94 soon then.
Quote from: 2206 on July 21, 2020, 07:53:42 PM
Thanks for confirming that its in use. Hopefully it will make an appearance on the 94 soon then.
@2206 Saw 4777 yesterday by Drews Lane heading inbound on the 94 around 8:50
After passing Wellhead Lane on the A453 multiple times this week and seeing the building work going on, I thought that they had finally started to build the new garage. Checking via google however shows that this isn't the new garage, as that is planned for the other end of Wellhead Lane at the junction of the A4040.
Have they actually started construction on this yet? It's getting a little tight on time for the current premises to be vacated, demolished and rebuilt as athlete's accommodation.
Could perry Barr be having the new sprint service looking at this plan?
Don't think this would be classed as noteworthy, but I saw 4780 on the 94 this afternoon. Seeing a different coloured double decker coming off Auckland Drive surprised me.
Quote from: ellspurs on August 06, 2020, 03:32:15 PM
Don't think this would be classed as noteworthy, but I saw 4780 on the 94 this afternoon. Seeing a different coloured double decker coming off Auckland Drive surprised me.
Not noteworthy no, 4780 has regularly been on the 94 over the last few months. And there is often an Omnicity on there, you are correct that 4780 is on there today and i'm sure 4777 was on there yesterday.
Also think this should be in the PB Garage thread.
94 at the moment often seems to get any PB double decker. I think today 4780, 4844, 7509, Gemini and the 09 plate E400 are on there.
Quote from: 2206 on August 06, 2020, 03:55:51 PM
Not noteworthy no, 4780 has regularly been on the 94 over the last few months. And there is often an Omnicity on there, you are correct that 4780 is on there today and i'm sure 4777 was on there yesterday.
Also think this should be in the PB Garage thread.
94 at the moment often seems to get any PB double decker. I think today 4780, 4844, 7509, Gemini and the 09 plate E400 are on there.
Yea, sorry. Was trying to rack my brain for which garage the 94 was based at. My bad.
With the 2022 games athletes village no longer being built in Perry Barr, has this also delayed the move of PB garage? I assume the area will still be redeveloped at some point and the bus garage relocation is still going ahead?
It's still being built though and flyover works proceeding
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/major-roadworks-on-birchfield-roundabout-from-14th-august-2020
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 11, 2020, 08:16:07 PM
It's still being built though and flyover works proceeding
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/major-roadworks-on-birchfield-roundabout-from-14th-august-2020
Flyover works are different to the athletes village. Everything else still needs to be built for the games, but the athletes are now to be housed elsewhere.
Quote from: Gareth on August 11, 2020, 07:05:36 PM
With the 2022 games athletes village no longer being built in Perry Barr, has this also delayed the move of PB garage? I assume the area will still be redeveloped at some point and the bus garage relocation is still going ahead?
Where's it going to then?
Nec / birmingham uni and Warwick uni sites
4482 on the 65 and 67 today.
Notice
@Tony has a photo of this one on the WB 80 a few days ago on the main site.
So presumably the loans to WB are now returning, for September service increases in a few days time.
Sure 4485 has been on the 94's today and over the last few days. Have all the loans to WB returned now?
4850 just had 4 windows smashed with a hammer opposite warren farm health centre by two youths whilst on 33 5 mins ago. Apparently one of 3 today. Need to get the police down here
Before September the 28 was every 15 minutes and was augmented 28E between Dyas Road and Tyburn. Now the 28 is back to every 12 minutes and the 28E's have gone. Now they are full with people standing when the schools are on them. Surely this was thought out wrong.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on September 20, 2020, 10:07:11 AM
Before September the 28 was every 15 minutes and was augmented 28E between Dyas Road and Tyburn. Now the 28 is back to every 12 minutes and the 28E's have gone. Now they are full with people standing when the schools are on them. Surely this was thought out wrong.
Wander if that service could be rerouted away from the low bridge in Erdington and they can use double decker/any spare double deckers on it?
Could run via South Road in one direction and Resevior Road, Chudleigh Road, Marsh Lane the other way maybe. As I recall mention of South Road being tight.
Quote from: 2206 on September 20, 2020, 10:17:06 AM
Wander if that service could be rerouted away from the low bridge in Erdington and they can use double decker/any spare double deckers on it.
Could run via South Road in one direction and Resevior Road, Chudleigh Road, Marsh Lane the other way maybe.
Nice idea but I don't think spare double deckers, the 55 is going double deckers in October when it goes to BC so if double deckers went onto the 28, the singles would have to onto another route and probably cause the same problem. The only ways either the 28E's to be put back or the timetable changed the give the highest frequency between the busiest points of the route.
Quote from: 2206 on September 20, 2020, 10:17:06 AM
Wander if that service could be rerouted away from the low bridge in Erdington and they can use double decker/any spare double deckers on it?
Could run via South Road in one direction and Resevior Road, Chudleigh Road, Marsh Lane the other way maybe. As I recall mention of South Road being tight.
Spare deckers? They've got to find somewhere for the singles that the 55'll be losing. Short of physically putting out more vehicles like Steve has mentioned I doubt much else can be done.
Quote from: ellspurs on September 20, 2020, 10:59:18 AM
Spare deckers? They've got to find somewhere for the singles that the 55'll be losing. Short of physically putting out more vehicles like Steve has mentioned I doubt much else can be done.
17?
Quote from: bbs on September 20, 2020, 11:04:28 AM
17?
Already single deck.
Quote from: ellspurs on September 20, 2020, 10:59:18 AM
Spare deckers? They've got to find somewhere for the singles that the 55'll be losing. Short of physically putting out more vehicles like Steve has mentioned I doubt much else can be done.
Move 3301 - 3305 to PB and back into service maybe? As someone said these aren't being used at persent for some reason, so presumably these could be spared?
And 4697/4698 maybe as well? How long it would take to reconvert one of these?
Quote from: 2206 on September 20, 2020, 11:05:58 AM
Already single deck. Move 3301 - 3305 to PB and back into service maybe? As someone said these aren't being used at persent for some reason, so presumably these could be spared?
And 4697/4698 maybe as well? How long it would take to reconvert one of these?
there are already plans for the streetdecks
Quote from: karl724223 on September 20, 2020, 12:42:51 PM
there are already plans for the streetdecks
Is it a one way trip to PVS or EMR :)
Quote from: Tony on September 20, 2020, 01:35:24 PM
What about the 17
Is that the only comment you're going to make on the whole subject ?
Quote from: karl724223 on September 20, 2020, 12:42:51 PM
there are already plans for the streetdecks
What are they?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on September 20, 2020, 10:07:11 AM
Before September the 28 was every 15 minutes and was augmented 28E between Dyas Road and Tyburn. Now the 28 is back to every 12 minutes and the 28E's have gone. Now they are full with people standing when the schools are on them. Surely this was thought out wrong.
Before lockdown 28 was 12 with no short journey. That 15 minute business went some time ago.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 20, 2020, 03:52:41 PM
Before lockdown 28 was 12 with no short journey. That 15 minute business went some time ago.
No it didn't the 15 minutes frequency lasted until 29th August.
If there was really a need for Double Deckers that can't be resolved by shuffling the currently fleet, NX would be better off buying/leasing second hand (probably ex London) deckers. First have leased deckers from Engisnbus to cover duplicates for peak time extras for Schools only.
Can't the 46 cope with single deckers?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on September 20, 2020, 04:10:56 PM
No it didn't the 15 minutes frequency lasted until 29th August.
The 15 minute frequency was during the lockdown, with reduced demand I think.
I think what
@monkeyjoe means is that before the lockdown, i.e. before March it was every 12 minutes, and that is correct. I think it used to be every 10 Heartlands - Old Oscott and every 20 to Great Barr before that.
In September the service resumed to its pre lockdown frequency like most routes.
See old timetable below dated 22nd September 2019:
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/TEST/28TT220919.pdf
Quote from: 2206 on September 20, 2020, 04:56:19 PM
The 15 minute frequency was during the lockdown, with reduced demand I think.
I think what @monkeyjoe means is that before the lockdown, i.e. before March it was every 12 minutes, and that is correct. I think it used to be every 10 Heartlands - Old Oscott and every 20 to Great Barr before that.
In September the service resumed to its pre lockdown frequency like most routes.
See old timetable below dated 22nd September 2019:
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/TEST/28TT220919.pdf
That is what I meant the standard timetable pre covid.
Quote from: karl724223 on September 20, 2020, 12:42:51 PM
there are already plans for the streetdecks
Too wishful thinking but I would love to see 4680 - 86 back here.
Quote from: MW on September 20, 2020, 04:17:28 PM
If there was really a need for Double Deckers that can't be resolved by shuffling the currently fleet, NX would be better off buying/leasing second hand (probably ex London) deckers. First have leased deckers from Engisnbus to cover duplicates for peak time extras for Schools only.
Surely there is an 'issue' with using double door buses in the West Midlands? (Accident?)
I know in the MR Keeley WMPTE book from the late 80's, after the final orders inherited from the old Corparations entered service, all future vehicles were single door, apart from a batch of Nationals in 1976!
Quote from: Westy on September 20, 2020, 05:40:05 PM
Surely there is an 'issue' with using double door buses in the West Midlands? (Accident?)
I know in the MR Keeley WMPTE book from the late 80's, after the final orders inherited from the old Corparations entered service, all future vehicles were single door, apart from a batch of Nationals in 1976!
If they're restricted to certain running boards on very frequent services or school services, why would there be a problem. In the circumstances we're in, I'm sure the relevant authorities would allow use. In the case of the ramp requiring use, could manual separate ramps not be allowed to allow boarding at the front doors? Alternatively, if a number of ex London vehicles were acquired, they could be spread across high frequency routes such as the 16, 50, 97 etc meaning that the if the first bus is not compliant, the next bus will almost certainly have a manual ramp at the front door. Let's not forget that these are exceptional circumstances. I think COVID 19 regulation would override other regulations in the eyes of local councils/TfWM & the traffic commissioner.
Quote from: Westy on September 20, 2020, 05:40:05 PM
Surely there is an 'issue' with using double door buses in the West Midlands? (Accident?)
I know in the MR Keeley WMPTE book from the late 80's, after the final orders inherited from the old Corparations entered service, all future vehicles were single door, apart from a batch of Nationals in 1976!
There were two door buses running around up until 2 years ago
Quote from: Westy on September 20, 2020, 05:40:05 PM
Surely there is an 'issue' with using double door buses in the West Midlands? (Accident?)
I know in the MR Keeley WMPTE book from the late 80's, after the final orders inherited from the old Corparations entered service, all future vehicles were single door, apart from a batch of Nationals in 1976!
From 1967-68, many bus operators had two door double deckers - however they were often 33 ft long to compensate for the reduced downstairs seating capacity. The main reason they went back to single door buses in the West Midlands was the requirement (after several accidents including a fatality on the Bristol Road with a 38xx bus) for an interlock which prevented the bus being placed in gear before the centre door had shut. This made bus stop dwell times no better, if not worse for two door buses.
There were other issues with that batch of buses (the bodies on the SOE 33 ft ones suffered from early fatigue) but also partly because of their height - this is rooted in the requirements for the bus grant then available to help operators move to one person buses being very prescriptive - the lower height matched a Bristol VR with ECW body and the upper one allowed for London Transport ideas on headroom within decks - the net result was the batch which ended up on the Bristol Road, which had previously been destined for the 8, Inner Circle, were too tall for safe passage under a couple of bridges (Hockley station and Highgate Road). There was a cascade amongst the KOX, NOV and SOE buses with some of them respectively going to the 8 (Hockley and Liverpool Street), 41,45,47 (Cotteridge) and 20, 61, 62, 63 (Selly Oak).
WMPTE managed to persuade the Ministry to accept an intermediate height, which was used for fiuture double deckers. And in common with almost everywhere else in the country, all future double deckers were single doored.
Notable exceptions are Lothian and London (although except for 58 in 1965/6) LT didn't discover rear engined double deckers until 1971) and used double doors - however many of them remained crew operated. Bristol City services was another example of dual doored buses
You have to remember that prior to 1968, all the nationalised fleets (eventually to become part of NBC) and London Transport (1970/1 in their case) had no one person operable double deckers, whereas fleets like Birmingham had nearly 600.
Dual door double deckers operate well in London, albeit with very limited downstairs seating capacity. They also permit standing - one of the original Union agreements in BCT where agreement was reached to operate 72 seater buses was there would be no standing. However the NOV and SOE double deckers had straps for holding on to so they were presumably allowed by then. There's no reason to suspect dual door buses couldn't operate satisfactorily in the West Midlands these days. In London (and likely in the West Midlands) many passengers use passes or other cashless transactions thus dealing with the dwell time issue.
Presumably a lot of type training would be required, however, especially if such buses were used as fillers within an existing route and timetable.
Quote from: Tony on September 20, 2020, 09:14:40 PM
There were two door buses running around up until 2 years ago
There are buses with dual doors still in the WM area (I'm not sure it the op has the rear doors in use though)
The big problem would be bus stations - London and Edinburgh don't go in for them.
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 20, 2020, 10:27:09 PM
There are buses with dual doors still in the WM area (I'm not sure it the op has the rear doors in use though)
I think Green bus have a Dual trident can't guarantee but I think they do.Also Dual buses have no point in WM.Many people use buses here and plus capacity.So yet there's no need but in the future who knows?
Quote from: mikestone on September 20, 2020, 10:38:44 PM
The big problem would be bus stations - London and Edinburgh don't go in for them.
There are plenty in London, both centrally and in suburban towns like Croydon. It's true that the queues in bus stations get in the way of disembarking passengers, as it is at busy bus stops. Just one of the disadvantages of dual door buses.
Quote from: bbs on September 20, 2020, 11:48:32 PM
I think Green bus have a Dual trident can't guarantee but I think they do.Also Dual buses have no point in WM.Many people use buses here and plus capacity.So yet there's no need but in the future who knows?
Yeah, and I'm sure the ex London E200s Thandi have are dual door - i know T66NND is
7513 on 16's this morning. Back from repair.
Red and white Omnilinks on the 66 and 28 today. Been a while since a red and white one was last on there.
Quote from: 2206 on October 05, 2020, 10:53:12 AM
Red and white Omnilinks on the 66 and 28 today. Been a while since a red and white one was last on there.
It will be usual. Probably see more Omnilinks on Decker routes at PB too.
Quote from: Jack on October 05, 2020, 11:31:30 AM
Probably see more Omnilinks on Decker routes at PB too.
There was a 28 branded one on the X4 to Falcon Lodge. Might be 1864?
Quote from: 2206 on October 05, 2020, 05:54:28 PM
There was a 28 branded one on the X4 to Falcon Lodge. Might be 1864?
1869 was on the Suttons yesterday.
Funnily enough, 1864 was on the 8C when I saw it last night
Re 4496 on the 'Oddities' thread, why wasn't the advert frames removed, before repainting into Crimson?
Quote from: Westy on October 18, 2020, 04:05:56 PM
Re 4496 on the 'Oddities' thread, why wasn't the advert frames removed, before repainting into Crimson?
The advert frames never get taken off unless the panels underneath need replacing. If you took them off you end up with more rivet holes for water ingress
Rumours are the 54 is transferring to West Brom any truth in this
Quote from: Nxwm on October 30, 2020, 03:29:19 PM
Rumours are the 54 is transferring to West Brom any truth in this
They have their own 54. Anyway I'm pretty sure all the boards start and end in One Stop so dead mileage.
Quote from: Nxwm on October 30, 2020, 03:29:19 PM
Rumours are the 54 is transferring to West Brom any truth in this
Not got much information but currently a notice in WB garage looking for drivers to go on a separate rota for the Perry bar 54.
Quote from: aSingh on October 30, 2020, 08:10:13 PM
Not got much information but currently a notice in WB garage looking for drivers to go on a separate rota for the Perry bar 54.
Where would the Streetlites go? I thought the reason why they swapped the E200's and Streetlite's is because they didn't want to mix the two types.
Quote from: Jack on October 30, 2020, 08:28:15 PM
Where would the Streetlites go? I thought the reason why they swapped the E200mmc's and Streetlite's is because they didn't want to mix the two types.
Why not? Sounds weird. I guess they could move them to AG to run on the 32 and bring e200s over but I'm not sure they'd fit down some of the tight roads it uses around Handsworth Wood.
Quote from: bususer28 on October 30, 2020, 08:45:35 PM
Why not? Sounds weird. I guess they could move them to AG to run on the 32 and bring e200s over but I'm not sure they'd fit down some of the tight roads it uses around Handsworth Wood.
You mean the E200s that ran the route before the StreetLites?
Quote from: aSingh on October 30, 2020, 08:10:13 PM
Not got much information but currently a notice in WB garage looking for drivers to go on a separate rota for the Perry bar 54.
What's the reason to transfer to West Brom?
Quote from: Nxwm on October 30, 2020, 09:28:02 PM
What's the reason to transfer to West Brom?
Also when's the transfer happening?
Quote from: Nxwm on October 30, 2020, 09:28:02 PM
What's the reason to transfer to West Brom?
Could be PB short of drivers
Quote from: Tony on October 30, 2020, 08:49:45 PM
You mean the E200s that ran the route before the StreetLites?
My bad. I meant the mmcs not the ds.
To send all of you crazy as WB54 would refer to two different bus routes instead of just giving each route unique numbers!
Quote from: ellspurs on October 30, 2020, 10:22:33 PM
To send all of you crazy as WB54 would refer to two different bus routes instead of just giving each route unique numbers!
Could renumber it to 56? As don't think there is any West Midlands route that currently has that number.
Very odd sighting today.1863 leaving Acocks green garage.
7029 on the 28 this morning going towards Great Barr, a standing load and the driver continued to let more people on. This is as I stated before it would be a mistake taking the 28E's (Tyburn to Dyas Road) off in September. We need them back
How come 1807 and 1806 went back to PB.
Quote from: bbs on December 03, 2020, 04:55:12 PM
How come 1807 and 1806 went back to PB.
They haven't gone back to Perry Barr, they have never been there before. I move buses around as they are required at garages
Quote from: Tony on December 03, 2020, 05:10:52 PM
They haven't gone back to Perry Barr, they have never been there before. I move buses around as they are required at garages
Oh right.
@Gareth Omnilinks on the 94 are quite common actually as I have seen them several times on there myself going to work around Saltley
Quote from: Squiz1971 on December 10, 2020, 01:35:02 PM
@Gareth Omnilinks on the 94 are quite common actually as I have seen them several times on there myself going to work around Saltley
I saw another one on there again today, coming into the City Centre while I was on 4485. To far away to read the fleetnumber on it.
Don't see them that regularly (not every day), only every now and again.
I also noticed 4485 has a notice with National Express Coventry on it - the notice being about 5-18 travelcard/bus pass. Which is unusual as don't think 4485 has ever ran in Coventry?
Edit - Omnilink is 1813.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on December 10, 2020, 01:35:02 PM
@Gareth Omnilinks on the 94 are quite common actually as I have seen them several times on there myself going to work around Saltley
Not exactly 'common' but there has been one for the past few days. But as they are not the type that are supposed to be on that route, it's noteworthy enough for all the children to go out photographing them.
Quote from: 2206 on December 10, 2020, 01:45:46 PM
I saw another one on there again today, coming into the City Centre while I was on 4485. To far away to read the fleetnumber on it.
Don't see them that regularly (not every day), only every now and again.
I also noticed 4485 has a notice with National Express Coventry on it - the notice being about 5-18 travelcard/bus pass. Which is unusual as don't think 4485 has ever ran in Coventry?
Edit - Omnilink is 1813.
Strange?
Quote from: Gareth on December 10, 2020, 05:57:02 PM
Not exactly 'common' but there has been one for the past few days. But as they are not the type that are supposed to be on that route, it's noteworthy enough for all the children to go out photographing them.
Yes I agree with you
@Gareth,what I should of put was, it is fairly common to see an Omnilink on the route in recent months usually on an early board I have generally been seeing them. Usually outbound but not everyday so for some people it is noteworthy
Good to see 28 frequency going up from the new year
Quote from: monkeyjoe on December 21, 2020, 03:13:22 PM
Good to see 28 frequency going up from the new year
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/service-updates/service-changes-from-sunday-3rd-january-2021
Route between Heartlands and Small Heath is also changing.
Serving Little Bromwich Road and Yardley Green Road. No longer serving Belchers Lane.
So it won't be doing the u turn on Bordesley Green East and going back the way it came anymore. It was a bit strange having the Small Heath and Old Oscott services serving the same stop at the stops between the Hospital and Aldi.
Evening journeys will terminate at Wordsworth Road.
11S to Ward End:
"11S -
new school only service between Archbishop Ilsley School and Ward End following the route of the outer circle 11A"
I don't think thats a new service. As I think thats ran for a while hasn't it? I remember seeing a Gemini on 11S around September/October and I remember seeing 4288 on 11S once as well.
Quote from: 2206 on October 01, 2020, 05:57:12 PM
Also saw 4284 on 11A, 4278 on 11C and 4288 on 11S today. And seemed to be a few B7TL ALX400 buses parked up in the depot entrance as well in the evening peak
Quote from: 2206 on December 21, 2020, 06:23:20 PM
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/service-updates/service-changes-from-sunday-3rd-january-2021
Route between Heartlands and Small Heath is also changing.
Serving Little Bromwich Road and Yardley Green Road. No longer serving Belchers Lane.
Evening journeys will terminate at Wordsworth Road.
11S to Ward End:
"11S - new school only service between Archbishop Ilsley School and Ward End following the route of the outer circle 11A"
I don't think thats a new service. As I think thats ran for a while hasn't it? I remember seeing a Gemini on 11S around September/October and I remember seeing 4288 on 11S once as well.
About time the whole U-Turn thing was taken off. Will bus stops be added on Little Bromwich Road or will it go non-stop until Newbridge Road?
Curious as to the rationale of route changes in Small Heath is it traffic related or badly parked cars related.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 21, 2020, 06:43:39 PM
About time the whole U-Turn thing was taken off. Will bus stops be added on Little Bromwich Road or will it go non-stop until Newbridge Road?
Would probably make sense to have at least one for unloading at towards Small Heath near Bordesley Green East.
As normally the Heartlands 28 terminate at the next stop on Bordesley Green East after the junction I think.
Ever since I've lived on the north side of the City (since 1994), I've heard passengers constantly ask drivers about going through Perry Beeches and Scott Arms during the late evenings and Sundays, but they STILL haven't done it.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on December 21, 2020, 08:03:08 PM
Ever since I live on the north side of the City (since 1994), I've heard passengers constantly ask drivers about going through Perry Beeches and Scott Arms during the late evenings and Sundays, but they STILL haven't done it.
And yet the Small Heath section gets subsidised...
Seems to be more quite a few platinums on the 55/94 routes today.
Presumably using spares from reduced Christmas timetables.
Including 7510 which I caught on the 94 this evening.
Off-topic posts regarding the 28A and ideas to change it split into new thread:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=5903.0
Minor changes on 55/94 so from 3rd taken away the 10 gap time in the city before turning around (on sundays). Does this mean the Jennens rd situation is sorting itself out now ??
What is the allocation on the 54 now the streetlites have been moved
Quote from: BH2004 on January 02, 2021, 11:10:48 PM
What is the allocation on the 54 now the streetlites have been moved
E200 stumpy
Quote from: Gareth on January 09, 2021, 04:36:07 PM
1877 was on the 94 yesterday evening.
A little late for anyone wanting to see it, but I have no doubt someone keeps a list somewhere.
Yes, I saw that one as well at the Fox & Goose.
And 1904 was on the 94 one night, might be the night before if I remember correctly.
Which made that one the 3rd this week - 1831, 1904 and 1877.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-council-condemned-house-commons-19700802
Perry Barr's garage move is getting talked about in the Commons.
I dunno how feasible this would be, but it may be an idea for the 96 to have its timings tweaked so the buses didn't end up passing each other on Kingfisher Drive?
Last night when I was out for a walk, I got to observe the spectacle of not only the two buses having to squeeze past each other, but the unenviable task of then having to squeeze the bus around the awfully parked cars (one of the cars had parked just behind the Erdington-bound bus stop on Burtons Way, which made it a nice squeeze around that kink in the road). It does seem to happen quite a lot to them.
Quote from: ellspurs on February 21, 2021, 11:04:08 AM
I dunno how feasible this would be, but it may be an idea for the 96 to have its timings tweaked so the buses didn't end up passing each other on Kingfisher Drive?
Last night when I was out for a walk, I got to observe the spectacle of not only the two buses having to squeeze past each other, but the unenviable task of then having to squeeze the bus around the awfully parked cars (one of the cars had parked just behind the Erdington-bound bus stop on Burtons Way, which made it a nice squeeze around that kink in the road). It does seem to happen quite a lot to them.
They're scheduled to meet there. It's exactly the same story on The Hurstway. They're timetabled to meet on the bend closest to College Road. It's narrow and double parked all the way round. It's a nightmare.
1871 has a grey display like the platinum buses and route number on the left of the display.
Off-topic posts split off into this thread:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=5970.0
6811 is back out for the first time today since it's RTC last year. It's currently on X4's.
Are PB drivers now on the 11's? As drivers aren't o be changing on Aston Ln by the new garage site.
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on April 21, 2021, 09:21:00 PM
Are PB drivers now on the 11's? As drivers aren't o be changing on Aston Ln by the new garage site.
PB haven't been on the 11 for many years
4812, I suppose... has got a mega-rear ad for Footasylum.
Quote from: busboy31 on April 22, 2021, 05:10:42 PM
4812, I suppose... has got a mega-rear ad for Footasylum.
AG 4276 & 4290
BC 4940
PB 48112 & 4812
YW 4394
Have all had them since December
Rumours are 55&94 to be merged together
Quote from: Nxwm on April 23, 2021, 05:46:40 AM
Rumours are 55&94 to be merged together
Meaning what exactly ?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 23, 2021, 06:14:11 AM
Meaning what exactly ?
They should a least sort the number sequencing out like in others areas. I.e make the 94 56 or 55 95. I wonder if they will ever be upgraded or branded, wondered for years.
If it it ain't broke it don't need fixing.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 23, 2021, 06:14:11 AM
Meaning what exactly ?
Could be that they are going to be interworked, with BC and PB both inputting resources onto the routes?
Quote from: Pat on April 23, 2021, 10:41:35 AM
Could be that they are going to be interworked, if not already?
They don't interwork already. 55 is run from BC and 94 from PB, though unless they'd split them between both depots like the 12/13 I guess.
I think the renumbering of 55 to 95. So the City Centre - Ward End services are 94/95 makes sense, like the Harborne routes are 23/24 and Stratford Rd 2/3/4/5/6, etc.
Quote from: 2206 on April 23, 2021, 10:45:29 AM
They don't interwork already. 55 is run from BC and 94 from PB, though unless they'd split them between both depots like the 12/13 I guess.
Yes, could be. That's the only thing along the lines of a "merger" that I can think of.
Quote from: Pat on April 23, 2021, 10:47:55 AM
Yes, could be. That's the only thing along the lines of a "merger" that I can think of.
It could also just be another of these 'unsubtantiated' rumours that people keep putting about.
[unsubstantiated stupid rumour]They're going to build a new depot next to the HS2 interchange at Middle Bickenhill and combine them there, along with the hotly sought after 53 route![/sarcasm]
Slightly more seriously (but not really)...
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 23, 2021, 06:36:48 AM
They should a least sort the number sequencing out like in others areas. I.e make the 94 56 or 55 95. I wonder if they will ever be upgraded or branded, wondered for years.
If they change it, you'll know it'll be changed to the 25 and 25.[/sarcasm]
More seriously, putting all the services that serve Chelmsley Wood in the 90s series would probably be the best if they were going to sort the number sequencing. Already have 94, 96, 97 there. Just need to integrate 14, X12, X70, 71 and 72 in there, as well as the A10 from Landflight if we want a full set (ie renumber it back to 91).
1870 is out on the 8C tonight. Back on the road after 435 days missing.
Longest missing bus now moves to 862 at WA. That one is in the spray booth and will be back shortly as well
Can I ask why 1870 has been missing for so long pls.
Quote from: Mayfield on May 07, 2021, 06:45:13 AM
Can I ask why 1870 has been missing for so long pls.
Engine problems
6113 & 6147 were both runnning through Ward End today on the 94. Other buses out on the 94 were platinum buses.
Also strange seeing Lower Bull Street with no buses running up it.
A 94 was missing this afternoon. 14:20 from City Centre towards Ward End.
14:30 was 4877 on BC 55, which was busy with the missing bus and 14:40 4492 on PB 94.
6146 is out on the 33 today still branded for the Outer Circle
@Tony when will 6146 be unbranded
6798 has been broken down at the Wellhead Lane stop towards Birmingham and has just been picked up by RS. Surely this wins the award for shortest recovery as it only needs to go round the island and up wellhead Lane.
A bus spotter told me the 71 and 96 are going to Acocks green from 4th July does anyone know if this is true or just a rumour please
Quote from: samuel derrington on June 26, 2021, 03:57:21 PM
A bus spotter told me the 71 and 96 are going to Acocks green from 4th July does anyone know if this is true or just a rumour please
I would hazard a strong guess that it is not true. I doubt AG has the capacity for starters, I don't know exactly what the PVRs of these routes are, plus there would be a lot more dead mileage involved.
Depends on who told you really, seems we have a few jokers out there spreading fake rumours.
Quote from: Stu on June 26, 2021, 06:36:54 PM
I would hazard a strong guess that it is not true. I doubt AG has the capacity for starters, I don't know exactly what the PVRs of these routes are, plus there would be a lot more dead mileage involved.
Depends on who told you really, seems we have a few jokers out there spreading fake rumours.
You are correct Stu. AG is exactly on parking capacity. I can't put another single bus in there without removing any. I really wonder where some of these rumours originate.
Quote from: Tony on June 26, 2021, 07:43:31 PM
You are correct Stu. AG is exactly on parking capacity. I can't put another single bus in there without removing any. I really wonder where some of these rumours originate.
Aren't a few more 61** meant to move to PB? 4500 hasn't been replaced... and 4501/2 will be going soon I assume.
Quote from: Jack on June 26, 2021, 07:56:26 PM
Aren't a few more 61** meant to move to PB? 4500 hasn't been replaced... and 4501/2 will be going soon I assume.
Why?
I allocate the fleet as required not move buses 1 for 1 . The Outer Circle needs more buses with the timetable change
Quote from: Tony on June 26, 2021, 08:51:26 PM
Why?
I allocate the fleet as required not move buses 1 for 1 . The Outer Circle needs more buses with the timetable change
Because PB seem short of Deckers? Omnilinks are re-appearing on the 7, 16 and 33 as well as the 65/67, 94's and 907's at times on the weekdays...
I thought 6143/4/5 would come in exchange for 4500/1/2... considering 6144 has been debranded.
Quote from: Jack on June 26, 2021, 08:56:37 PM
Because PB seem short of Deckers? Omnilinks are re-appearing on the 7, 16 and 33 as well as the 65/67, 94's and 907's at times on the weekdays...
I don't think they've used a single omnilink on the 94 in the last week actually, which is good. So they make irregular appearances, only when there is a shortage of avaialble buses I guess.
The last one I can remember on there is 1811 on Tuesday 15th June, 11 days ago.
Quote from: 2206 on June 26, 2021, 09:00:04 PM
I don't think they've used a single omnilink on the 94 in the last week actually. So they make irregular appearances, only when there is a shortage of avaialble buses I guess.
The last one I can remember on there is 1811 on Tuesday 15th June, 11 days ago.
Hence why I said 'at times'. But they've pretty much been on the 7 and 16 lots this last week with a few having the odd day on the 33... as well as one going onto the 65/67...
Quote from: Jack on June 26, 2021, 08:56:37 PM
Because PB seem short of Deckers? Omnilinks are re-appearing on the 7, 16 and 33 as well as the 65/67, 94's and 907's at times on the weekdays...
I thought 6143/4/5 would come in exchange for 4500/1/2... considering 6144 has been debranded.
PB are not short of deckers. They have the number they require for PVR plus the required number of spares. AG need unbranded Euro 6 doubles too for odd journies on the 4
Quote from: Tony on June 26, 2021, 09:42:44 PM
PB are not short of deckers. They have the number they require for PVR plus the required number of spares. AG need unbranded Euro 6 doubles too for odd journies on the 4
Yes the 4 has been very late today not showing up and when the bus came it was full. 11 brandeds only a few of them the rest were omni links and E200mmc which were completly full and had to wait and wait for a available bus to go on. Its just annoying
Quote from: bbs on June 27, 2021, 12:12:00 AM
Yes the 4 has been very late today not showing up and when the bus came it was full. 11 brandeds only a few of them the rest were omni links and E200mmc which were completly full and had to wait and wait for a available bus to go on. Its just annoying
The 4 had more 61** than Single Deckers on today. The bus I caught (6130) was on time and arrived in the City a few minutes early... I'm not sure what the 4A had on it, but there was more Deckers than Singles on the 4 today...
Think you're exaggerating a little, the main reason for the traffic was the installation of traffic lights at the Battery Way junction but those are all in operation now so no temporary lights are there, the only place there was a slight build up of traffic was joining the Stratford Road which was fairly busy but this could of been for the Eid shoppers, as well as an Pedestrian V Car further up by Formans Road which was having an affect on the 6 as it was closed for most of the day, the 4's seemed completely fine though...
Quote from: Jack on June 27, 2021, 12:18:35 AM
The 4 had more 61** than Single Deckers on today. The bus I caught (6130) was on time and arrived in the City a few minutes early... I'm not sure what the 4A had on it, but there was more Deckers than Singles on the 4 today...
Think you're exaggerating a little, the main reason for the traffic was the installation of traffic lights at the Battery Way junction but those are all in operation now so no temporary lights are there, the only place there was a slight build up of traffic was joining the Stratford Road which was fairly busy but this could of been for the Eid shoppers, as well as an Pedestrian V Car further up by Formans Road which was having an affect on the 6 as it was closed for most of the day, the 4's seemed completely fine though...
Eid shoppers?
Quote from: Jack on June 27, 2021, 12:18:35 AM
The 4 had more 61** than Single Deckers on today. The bus I caught (6130) was on time and arrived in the City a few minutes early... I'm not sure what the 4A had on it, but there was more Deckers than Singles on the 4 today...
Think you're exaggerating a little, the main reason for the traffic was the installation of traffic lights at the Battery Way junction but those are all in operation now so no temporary lights are there, the only place there was a slight build up of traffic was joining the Stratford Road which was fairly busy but this could of been for the Eid shoppers, as well as an Pedestrian V Car further up by Formans Road which was having an affect on the 6 as it was closed for most of the day, the 4's seemed completely fine though...
the full buses was annoying though. Constantly waiting for a available one took ages.
Quote from: Nxwm on April 23, 2021, 05:46:40 AM
Rumours are 55&94 to be merged together
Looks like I was right about this :D
Perry Barr drivers are route learning the 55 as they will be doing it on a sunday. nothing about it being combined though.
Quote from: Nxwm on July 02, 2021, 07:59:49 PM
Looks like I was right about this :D
Is being "merged" meaning "having them interwork" rather than actually merging the routes? If so then all the words above were over a misunderstanding.
Quote from: Nxwm on July 02, 2021, 07:59:49 PM
Looks like I was right about this :D
Right how exactly?
Quote from: cris 99 on July 02, 2021, 08:02:51 PM
Perry Barr drivers are route learning the 55 as they will be doing it on a sunday. nothing about it being combined though.
That makes sense, if they are going to operate Sunday journeys on the 55 by interworking with the 94, but its not exactly merging or combining the routes as was previously claimed.
55 drivers have 25 mins at chelmsley wood each trip so by interworking with the 94 it cud mean pvr of 1 less
Quote from: cris 99 on July 02, 2021, 09:32:43 PM
55 drivers have 25 mins at chelmsley wood each trip so by interworking with the 94 it cud mean pvr of 1 less
Could be some interesting workings then Gemini, ex Hagley Road 4800's and Omnicity on the 55, which have never been seen on the 55 route before. Will Sundays be only PB on 55/94?
Also is this from the 25th July as well when the supposed change is? Wander what the "route change" on bus times means?
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/22
Quote from: 2206 on July 02, 2021, 10:30:43 PM
Could be some interesting workings then Gemini, 4800's and Omnicity on the 55, which have never been seen on the 55 route before. Will Sundays be only PB on 55/94?
Also is this from the 25th July as well when the supposed change is? Wander what the "route change" on bus times means?
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/22
Hopefully it'll just be them changing the route back to Stechford Lane - Stechford Road now they've finished the roadworks and changed the traffic lights so you can turn left there now.
@cris 99 I thought pb were getting the 55 from today bc are running it 🤔🤔
Quote from: samuel derrington on July 04, 2021, 11:41:51 AM
@cris 99 I thought pb were getting the 55 from today bc are running it 🤔🤔
He never gave a specific date that this would commence.
2206 has pointed out a 'variation' that takes effect from 25th July, so that is likely when this will happen.
Birmingham Central drivers are also now learning the 94 so i can only assume that both BC and PB will be jointly operating both
Is there a reason why PB are running 55 on Sundays
Quote from: Solo1 on July 04, 2021, 02:17:16 PM
Is there a reason why PB are running 55 on Sundays
As has been mentioned they will be interworking with the 94
Quote from: Tony on July 04, 2021, 02:33:52 PM
As has been mentioned they will be interworking with the 94
I saw that but cant see why interwork with 94 unless it saving a few buses
@Tony when is the pb running the 55 on Sundays going to come into effect
Quote from: Solo1 on July 04, 2021, 03:27:36 PM
I saw that but cant see why interwork with 94 unless it saving a few buses
That is why services interwork... to save using more vehicles!
I saw a staff bus at 03:15 this morning, driving around the bend from Auckland Drive to Windward Way in Smith's Wood. I've not seen a bus go around there since the 99 service was withdrawn at the start of the 2000s.
(I'm guessing it's a Perry Barr one as I'm led to believe BC doesn't have single deckers?)
Quote from: ellspurs on July 05, 2021, 08:10:13 PM
I saw a staff bus at 03:15 this morning, driving around the bend from Auckland Drive to Windward Way in Smith's Wood. I've not seen a bus go around there since the 99 service was withdrawn at the start of the 2000s.
(I'm guessing it's a Perry Barr one as I'm led to believe BC doesn't have single deckers?)
BC do have some of the white E200MMCs based there, which get used on their staff buses. You usually end up seeing one in the city centre.
Quote from: DJ on July 06, 2021, 09:37:18 AM
BC do have some of the white E200MMCs based there, which get used on their staff buses. You usually end up seeing one in the city centre.
They only have 1. 767, which is found on Garage - Priory Queensway Staff Shuttle.
Quote from: 2206 on July 06, 2021, 09:38:13 AM
They only have 1. 767, which is found on Garage - Priory Queensway Staff Shuttle.
Ah right, I've just had a look through Flickr though, and 765/766 have been on there in the past. 8356 has too, but that's since left the fleet.
Quote from: DJ on July 06, 2021, 01:06:54 PM
Ah right, I've just had a look through Flickr though, and 765/766 have been on there in the past. 8356 has too, but that's since left the fleet.
The other E200 MMC that were at BC went to NEAT I believe. The staff shuttle has also seen 2137 which at one point was the regular bus before it transferred out last year. And the odd Platinum & Tridents in the past might have been on there I think.
Perry Barr also have a Priory Queensway - Garage staff shuttle as well, but that uses the normal service fleet I think.
Quote from: 2206 on July 06, 2021, 09:38:13 AM
They only have 1. 767, which is found on Garage - Priory Queensway Staff Shuttle.
seen 767 at clock garage this morning
The bus I saw were crimson coloured, and I've seen a Perry Barr staff bus sat on Auckland Drive around that time of the morning before. It just intrigued me the route it took, as I hadn't seen a bus go around there in years.
Just seen 6146 is a new price branding
Notice summer timetables appearing nothing obvious atm changes to 55 if any yet?
Summer timetable out on 55 if you click for the PDF timetable it says 18th July - 24th July the timetable is for suggesting the changes on the 25th July
Any update on 55 changes?
Details are on nxbus
Quote from: Jack D on July 12, 2021, 07:25:44 PM
Any update on 55 changes?
look here
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/service-updates/route-changes-from-sunday-25th-july-2021
so guessing 94&55 inter work from tomorrow on sundays then
They haven't put on the 94 timetable on nxbus yet as would of though Sunday times will become 10/ 30/ 50 etc
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 24, 2021, 08:30:10 PM
They haven't put on the 94 timetable on nxbus yet as would of though Sunday times will become 10/ 30/ 50 etc
will love seeing this mixture of PB buses on stechford lane on the 55 tomorrow
Just looked on bustimes shows at sn15 assuming ex 11 buses going down the collector Rd assuming positioning from PB
Just saw 4596 in town on the 94 but going else where so couldn't get it on the 94 like old times
4488 is on the 55 very wierd too see it on the 55
They haven't changed the flags at the Fox & Goose.
Though they will probably all need changing again in about 4 weeks time.
Quote from: 2206 on July 25, 2021, 04:19:57 PM
They haven't changed the flags at the Fox & Goose.
Though they will probably all need changing again in about 4 weeks time.
the 55 is still running via coleshill road and both bc buses appearing on 94 and pb on 55 so it's nice too see a mixture of tridents e400 e40d e400 mmc and bc platinum 6852 on 94
Quote from: SK68MEV on July 25, 2021, 04:34:33 PM
the 55 is still running via coleshill road and both bc buses appearing on 94 and pb on 55 so it's nice too see a mixture of tridents e400 e40d e400 mmc and bc platinum 6852 on 94
4829 went down Stechford Lane and stopped on the 11C stop outside Aldi.
So some going one way and others going the other?
Might as well just have left the route change to August and change all the flags in one go.
Quote from: 2206 on July 25, 2021, 04:35:05 PM
4829 went down Stechford Lane and stopped on the 11C stop.
i seen 4488 go down coleshill road i'm not sure if all drivers are aware of route change
Quote from: SK68MEV on July 25, 2021, 04:36:33 PM
i seen 4488 go down coleshill road i'm not sure if all drivers are aware of route change
I'm not being rude, but how can drivers not know about changes. Do they not get comms or radio messages / emails etc. Just curious really ?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 25, 2021, 04:45:54 PM
I'm not being rude, but how can drivers not know about changes. Do they not get comms or radio messages / emails etc. Just curious really ?
normally if there a planned diversion on route the diversion route is always on the clipboard that shows the running board for the bus so surely the route changes have to be on there too so probably careless drivers not reading it or drivers not telling other drivers most likely
Quote from: SK68MEV on July 25, 2021, 05:03:56 PM
normally if there a planned diversion on route the diversion route is always on the clipboard that shows the running board for the bus so surely the route changes have to be on there too so probably careless drivers not reading it or drivers not telling other drivers most likely
No. Route changes are done in the garage route learning on a bus with the DTOs Drivers on the rota will have to do it this way, as well as anyone wanting to do the 55/94 as overtime
Quote from: 2206 on July 25, 2021, 04:19:57 PM
They haven't changed the flags at the Fox & Goose.
Though they will probably all need changing again in about 4 weeks time.
It would be considered a waste of taxpayer money if they changed just those flags now, only to then have to change them again a few weeks later.
Quote from: SK68MEV on July 25, 2021, 04:36:33 PM
i seen 4488 go down coleshill road i'm not sure if all drivers are aware of route change
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 25, 2021, 04:45:54 PM
I'm not being rude, but how can drivers not know about changes. Do they not get comms or radio messages / emails etc. Just curious really ?
Ever consider the possibility of 'force of habit'? I would of course expect drivers to be fully aware of any route change before they start their duty, however bus drivers are also human just like the rest of us.
Quote from: Stu on July 25, 2021, 05:24:57 PM
It would be considered a waste of taxpayer money if they changed just those flags now, only to then have to change them again a few weeks later.
But equally passengers need to know where the bus is going to stop. So to change the route and not change the flags is unacceptable as well.
The answer would be to delay the route change I think.
Quote from: Stu on July 25, 2021, 05:24:57 PM
Ever consider the possibility of 'force of habit'? I would of course expect drivers to be fully aware of any route change before they start their duty, however bus drivers are also human just like the rest of us.
Well said Stu. The first day of changes things like this always happen
Why is there a mixture of PB and BC buses? On 55?
Quote from: Jack D on July 25, 2021, 06:10:03 PM
Why is there a mixture of PB and BC buses? On 55?
Because its jointly operated, other garages do the same with their routes... look at the 12/13s and the 45...
Quote from: Jack D on July 25, 2021, 06:10:03 PM
Why is there a mixture of PB and BC buses? On 55?
55 and 94 now interwork meaning bc busses will end up on 94 and same for pb buses on 55
And at the end of next month it'll be all change!
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 25, 2021, 04:45:54 PM
I'm not being rude, but how can drivers not know about changes. Do they not get comms or radio messages / emails etc. Just curious really ?
we weren't told about any change on the day, it wasn't until an enthusiast told me about it that I had known, the change wasn't on any of the running boards either
Quote from: Trident4590 on July 27, 2021, 01:13:59 AM
we weren't told about any change on the day, it wasn't until an enthusiast told me about it that I had known, the change wasn't on any of the running boards either
ah makes sense because the 55 was using the correct route yesterday
Does anyone know what happened to 4817? It hasn't been on the road for 2 weeks.
7500 has now missed 3 trips on the 55 today
Quote from: samuel derrington on August 01, 2021, 05:29:16 PM
7500 has now missed 3 trips on the 55 today
No it hasn't. It is currently coming in down the Washwood Heath Road
@Tony check when it's been leaving chelmsley wood its been going down the 94 route , I waited in kingshurst for it and it never turned up 3 times
It was on the 94 at 1910, going down Auckland Drive.
@samuel derrington the 94/55 are interworking now. It's quite possible that the bus was down to run 55 Birmingham - Chelmsley Wood and 94 Chelmsley Wood - Birmingham.
@mesub, 6147 isn't noteworthy on the Suttons, others were on it too today as well as they a regular occurrence...
Quote from: Jack on August 04, 2021, 09:46:26 PM
@mesub, 6147 isn't noteworthy on the Suttons, others were on it too today as well as they a regular occurrence...
Noted for future.
Looking at bus times the 07:30 55 from cHelmsley Wood took the 94 route
I'd like to think it is bustimes getting confused, as it currently has a 94 tracking on Kendrick Avenue in Shard End.
Ye I've saw that, it's the drivers, as their so used to doing one route, but the 07:30 was meant to be a 55 but ran 94 route.
Quote from: Jack D on August 08, 2021, 08:14:59 AM
Ye I've saw that, it's the drivers, as their so used to doing one route, but the 07:30 was meant to be a 55 but ran 94 route.
I dought that very much. It will be an error on bus times
Quote from: Jack D on August 08, 2021, 08:14:59 AM
Ye I've saw that, it's the drivers, as their so used to doing one route, but the 07:30 was meant to be a 55 but ran 94 route.
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If' this is an error on Bus Times then a bus driver is being wrongly accused, I think this topic with the bus times on the 55/94 whether it's right or wrong should stop now.
This is what happens with bus spotting from the comfort of your own home.
I thought BusTimes was for confirming?
Quote from: Westy on August 09, 2021, 07:02:15 AM
I thought BusTimes was for confirming?
Does it really matter ?
4805 has a all over very ad
@Tony Any Update on PB 4502? Is it back in service?
Rumour is 886/51S is coming back to Perry Barr
Looked like one of the Platinums had run into the back of another 33 at Pheasey around 13:15
Saw a photo of 4802 and it's got a megarear advert on there now.
Hi Guys can anyone tell me if the new Hydrogen H series are destined
for perry barr? or central? I had thought that central garage might
have been due for modernisation?.... Also tonys photos appear to
show there are no fleet Numbers on the side?...is this a temp measure
or permanent?
Quote from: windy miller on August 23, 2021, 12:59:03 AM
Hi Guys can anyone tell me if the new Hydrogen H series are destined
for perry barr? or central? I had thought that central garage might
have been due for modernisation?.... Also tonys photos appear to
show there are no fleet Numbers on the side?...is this a temp measure
or permanent?
Walsall
I've just looked at the Platinum Route map and 907 route is mapped out in green, when did this become a Platinum Route?
Quote from: BNH2004 on August 23, 2021, 05:55:10 PM
I've just looked at the Platinum Route map and 907 route is mapped out in green, when did this become a Platinum Route?
907 & X14 at Perry Barr are platinum routes but have no branded vehicles.
5 at AG uses platinum vehicles as well but according to the map not officially a platinum route? But it might be added soon, as the map will have to be updated next week.
Quote from: BNH2004 on August 23, 2021, 05:55:10 PM
I've just looked at the Platinum Route map and 907 route is mapped out in green, when did this become a Platinum Route?
same time as the 16 when the 75xx were delivered
Quote from: Solo1 on August 23, 2021, 03:25:06 AM
Walsall
Thanks so all 20 will be allocated to walsall? Pres for the X51 service?
Quote from: windy miller on August 24, 2021, 03:11:35 AM
Thanks so all 20 will be allocated to walsall? Pres for the X51 service?
Initially the 51, then the new Sprint route which will replace 51 and X2
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 24, 2021, 12:02:32 PM
Initially the 51, then the new Sprint route which will replace 51 and X2
Isn't it replacing X51?
looks like 94/95 have all double decker types today from both garages geminis, tridents, e400s both types , MMCs and even and omnicity
A lot of the PB fleet are still displaying 55. Such as 4805 which I caught this evening, 4780, etc.
The BC buses some display 95 and some displaying 55.
Should have been done by now sureley. As nearly a week since the chcanges came into effect.
Quote from: Jack D on September 03, 2021, 09:57:56 AM
1809 on 94/95 brings back memories on the 95 route 🤣
It was on the *55*
Quote from: 2206 on September 02, 2021, 07:51:42 PM
A lot of the PB fleet are still displaying 55. Such as 4805 which I caught this evening, 4780, etc.
The BC buses some display 95 and some displaying 55.
Should have been done by now sureley. As nearly a week since the chcanges came into effect.
I tweeted NXWM yesterday telling them their buses are showing 55. They were unaware and would 'look into it'.
It's now day 6. What's the excuse? At both garages!
I saw one of the trade centre UK back-covered ones with 55 on this afternoon in Kingshurst.
Quote from: Gareth on September 03, 2021, 04:19:17 PM
I tweeted NXWM yesterday telling them their buses are showing 55. They were unaware and would 'look into it'.
It's now day 6. What's the excuse? At both garages!
This is completely unacceptable.
I guess the only saving grace is that the only thing that has changed about the route is the number
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 03, 2021, 05:03:38 PM
This is completely unacceptable.
I guess the only saving grace is that the only thing that has changed about the route is the number
flags not updated yet either
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 03, 2021, 05:03:38 PM
This is completely unacceptable.
I guess the only saving grace is that the only thing that has changed about the route is the number
Same is happening in Acocks Green, people still waiting for the 31 and 1A and flags wernt changed. Luckily, drivers are standing there and are notifying passengers that the 1A is 41 and 31 is replaced with 4A.But it still isn't good to see TFWM not change the flags at all. The only flag that has changed in Acocks Green is the 41 terminus.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on September 14, 2021, 02:48:57 PM
1877 on the 67 seen heading into Castle Vale around 10:50
I'm not sure if these are noteworthy, as i've seen a few ominlinks on the 65, 67, 907, etc in the past, but there is/was a 28 branded on the 65/67 as well, as it was on Priory Queensway earlier on 65. 1870.
There is also a 28 branded on the Inner Circle. 1864.
1864 then went on to the X15
Quote from: Jack D on September 14, 2021, 09:32:31 PM
1864 then went on to the X15
X15 is on a 28 running board so normally sees one every day. You normally see one at about 17:00 heading from Heartlands along Alum Rock Road to Ward End and then along the 94/95 route into town to go onto the X15. The other one you see is the white diamond X16 streetlite that runs dead into town through Ward End as well.
Bus times says it was 1867 today.
Quote from: 2206 on September 14, 2021, 03:07:58 PM
I'm not sure if these are noteworthy, as i've seen a few ominlinks on the 65, 67, 907, etc in the past, but there is/was a 28 branded on the 65/67 as well, as it was on Priory Queensway earlier on 65. 1870.
There is also a 28 branded on the Inner Circle. 1864.
Not seeing the 67 I wasn't sure if that was Noteworthy to others or not as I recall sometime ago with John saying Omnilinks occasionally get on the 65/67
1833 going out today
Quote from: CL on October 12, 2021, 05:05:32 PM
1873 (https://flic.kr/p/2mA5Atb) - PB101
I've attached the photo link as a hyperlink; according to bustimes, it's been out all day
Ahhhhh, so you're the west midlands buses page
Quote from: mesub on October 12, 2021, 08:28:40 PM
Ahhhhh, so you're the west midlands buses page
I am, although it shouldn't come as a surprise - my photo pages have been attached in my forum signature for a while now :D
It would seem 1810 is currently running around with the wrong front reg plate at the moment. It's currently running with 1814's reg plate. I'm not sure if 1814 has 1810's plate...
Quote from: Bus Spotter Ben on October 29, 2021, 12:14:05 PM
It would seem 1810 is currently running around with the wrong front reg plate at the moment. It's currently running with 1814's reg plate. I'm not sure if 1814 has 1810's plate...
I've seen 1814 but it doesn't have 1810's plate..
6114 has lost its Living Wage branding
Seems to be some route learning going on on the 95 can we see some changes being implemented??
Just new drivers to that rota
4780 out on the 855 - after just over a month laid up
Quote from: CL on November 10, 2021, 08:19:48 AM
4780 out on the 855 - after just over a month laid up
@CL Gone out as a change bus now on the 33.
Does anyone know why 6813 (on the 907) skipped out a section of its route this morning? It did not stop at the Beggars Bush.
Quote from: GoldenSquid on November 27, 2021, 07:18:05 AM
Does anyone know why 6813 (on the 907) skipped out a section of its route this morning? It did not stop at the Beggars Bush.
I'm not sure if you know but there snow ?
96 to be ran by Diamond buses from January 2022.
Could see a few Scanias withdrawn?
Edit - TFWM Service changes page has been updated to show Perry Barr 54 will be operated by Diamond Buses as well.
Quote from: 2206 on December 15, 2021, 03:57:57 PM
96 to be ran by Diamond buses from January 2022.
Could see a few Scania's to be withdrawn?
Find that hard to believe when they are still repainting the oldest ones into Crimson and have all been Euro 6'd...
Could see some more transferred out to replace older Deckers though! *yawn*
Quote from: Jack on December 15, 2021, 05:00:59 PM
Find that hard to believe when they are still repainting the oldest ones into Crimson and have all been Euro 6'd...
Could see some more transferred out to replace older Deckers though! *yawn*
They could convert some of the older red & white ones yet to be repainted to training vehicles.
And what routes would you put the extra single decks on where they wouldn't be rammed. And if they have driver shortages surely the more double decks the better as they can carry more people.
Quote from: 2206 on December 15, 2021, 07:31:01 PM
They could convert some of the older red & white ones yet to be repainted to training vehicles.
And what routes would you put the extra single decks on where they wouldn't be rammed. And if they have driver shortages surely the more double decks the better as they can carry more people.
What is this obsession with wanting to convert Scanias to training vehicles? Nothing is happening to any Scanias
Quote from: 2206 on December 15, 2021, 07:31:01 PM
They could convert some of the older red & white ones yet to be repainted to training vehicles.
And what routes would you put the extra single decks on where they wouldn't be rammed. And if they have driver shortages surely the more double decks the better as they can carry more people.
How many buses does the 96 use? About four or five by the looks of it, so not a huge number.
Quote from: Stu on December 15, 2021, 07:44:45 PM
How many buses does the 96 use? About four or five by the looks of it, so not a huge number.
Yes, but hopefully they don't start using those extra five on double decker routes like the X3/X4/X5 and 94/95.
Quote from: 2206 on December 15, 2021, 07:47:14 PM
Yes, but hopefully they don't start using those extra five on double decker routes like the X3/X4/X5 and 94/95.
Its better than no bus turning up, Perry Barr seem to put them on the same DD routes funnily enough, usually the 7, 16, 65/67 are the usual ones with the 33 getting them again. The 55/94 seem to start getting them now, another thing to hear you moan about...
Quote from: Jack on December 15, 2021, 07:56:57 PM
The 55/94 seem to start getting them now, another thing to hear you moan about...
The 95 now. They don't normally get them it had 1876 Monday, 7033 Saturday and another one that was taken off by 3PM on Friday last week. Thats it recently I think, before that there were none in ages.
Quote from: 2206 on December 15, 2021, 07:59:30 PM
The 95 now. They don't normally get them it had 1876 Monday, 7033 Saturday and another one that was taken of by 3PM on Friday last week. Thats it recently I think.
To me it is and will be the 55! And yes I know its not normal but Perry Barr will send them anywhere apart from the X* and the 101 which are the last bets for them to go on...
Quote from: Jack on December 15, 2021, 08:03:59 PM
To me it is and will be the 55! And yes I know its not normal but Perry Barr will send them anywhere apart from the X* and the 101 which are the last bets for them to go on...
Normally the 65/67's that see them the most out of all the double deck routes around Priory Queensway/Moor Street from what I see.
Quote from: 2206 on December 15, 2021, 08:15:09 PM
Normally the 65/67's that see them the most out of all the double deck routes around Priory Queensway/Moor Street from what I see.
The 7 gets them a lot too, the last week the 16 has had at least one on all day boards...
1832 has been fitted with LiDAR (Light Detection and Ranging) equipment which - as I'm led to believe - will be used to create 4D imaging/mapping of potholes, trends in parking, etc...
I believe there will be a few buses having them installed
Quote from: Tony on December 15, 2021, 07:38:54 PM
What is this obsession with wanting to convert Scanias to training vehicles? Nothing is happening to any Scanias
Scanias are still being repainted even the oldest ones are so dont see them being withdrawn
Quote from: bbs on December 16, 2021, 01:24:50 PM
Scanias are still being repainted even the oldest ones are so dont see them being withdrawn
Exactly. They've still got another four or five years of life in them.
@Pat, Omnicity's aren't noteworthy at all on the 7...
Where can we see the spare scanias go that would have been on the 96?
Quote from: Jack D on January 03, 2022, 07:59:23 AM
Where can we see the spare scanias go that would have been on the 96?
Any other PB single deck route. ;)
Quote from: Stu on January 03, 2022, 08:44:56 AM
Any other PB single deck route. ;)
That's what we are all dreading, more single deckers on routes than normally use double deckers. I hope nobody replies with 'better than no bus at all' because there's nothing worse than a crowded single decker !
Quote from: Steve3229vp on January 03, 2022, 01:46:09 PM
That's what we are all dreading, more single deckers on routes than normally use double deckers. I hope nobody replies with 'better than no bus at all' because there's nothing worse than a crowded single decker !
Well, at least I'll be out of the picture for a few days, as I've tested positive!
Happy New Year :(
Quote from: Steve3229vp on January 03, 2022, 01:46:09 PM
That's what we are all dreading, more single deckers on routes than normally use double deckers. I hope nobody replies with 'better than no bus at all' because there's nothing worse than a crowded single decker !
Surely no bus at all is worse than a crowded bus?
Quote from: MW on January 03, 2022, 03:45:39 PM
Surely no bus at all is worse than a crowded bus?
When you've witnessed what Covid-19 does, which I have and it's scared me more than anything in my life then a no bus at all is best, I've let full single deckers go past and walked instead, this I why I won't use the 28 (Scott Arms-Heartlands Hospital) during the daytime.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on January 03, 2022, 05:40:40 PM
When you've witnessed what Covid-19 does, which I have and it's scared me more than anything in my life then a no bus at all is best, I've let full single deckers go past and walked instead, this I why I won't use the 28 (Scott Arms-Heartlands Hospital) during the daytime.
If you want to go to scotts arms, just go and take a different route other than the 28 in daytime
Quote from: bbs on January 03, 2022, 09:12:37 PM
If you want to go to scotts arms, just go and take a different route other than the 28 in daytime
You do realise that means taking a longer journey... most services the 28 crosses with go to the City Centre so it would be longer by catching that bus to the City then waiting for another to get there... The majority of the areas that the 28 serves it is the only service that goes there from those areas so there's not really much of a direct alternative...
Quote from: Jack D on January 03, 2022, 07:59:23 AM
Where can we see the spare scanias go that would have been on the 96?
[wishful thinking]
They *could* use the spare drivers and Omnilinks to give a much needed increased frequency on the 28....
[/wishful thinking]
1814 is on the 16.
1822 in Ward End on 94/95's.
Quote from: Kevin on January 04, 2022, 06:49:33 AM
[wishful thinking]
They *could* use the spare drivers and Omnilinks to give a much needed increased frequency on the 28....
[/wishful thinking]
According to the NX website, among todays changes, some additional evening peak journeys have been added to the 66.
I know that doesn't help passengers on the 28, but at least there's hope!
Quote from: Stu on January 04, 2022, 06:28:54 PM
According to the NX website, among todays changes, some additional evening peak journeys have been added to the 66.
I know that doesn't help passengers on the 28, but at least there's hope!
Evening peak on 66 is still every 15 mins. From Erdington into town early evening frequency has been increased from every 60 to 30 mins between 7 and 9 PM, and a new 20.00 journey from City.
The BC X21/X22 timetable also shows a higher 7/8 minute frequency at University Station heading towards City between 4.00 and 4.30 in the evening peak.
Quote from: 2206 on January 04, 2022, 10:13:53 AM
1814 is on the 16.
1822 in Ward End on 94/95's.
This evening (5th Jan) I saw in City at about 7PM:
1831 on the X3/X4/X5 Sutton routes. On a X4 to Falcon Lodge at the time.
1905 on the 16.
7031 on the X4 today. Scanias might become more common now with the 96 withdrawn maybe though as 1831 was on yesterday.
Quote from: 2206 on January 06, 2022, 04:53:30 PM
7031 on the X4 today. Scanias might become more common now with the 96 withdrawn maybe though as 1831 was on yesterday.
More to do with the Covid problems again, remember engineers are just as likely to be off as drivers, so buses aren't getting repaired as quickly soometimes, so its a case of using what buses are fit.
Quote from: 2206 on January 06, 2022, 01:05:29 AM
This evening (5th Jan) I saw in City at about 7PM:
1831 on the X3/X4/X5 Sutton routes. On a X4 to Falcon Lodge at the time.
1905 on the 16.
And are we going to constantly have the PB thread hijacked by Omnilinks making appearances on Decker services now as you seem to keep posting when one's on a Decker service... 🙄
Quote from: Jack on January 07, 2022, 10:00:08 AM
And are we going to constantly have the PB thread hijacked by Omnilinks making appearances on Decker services now as you seem to keep posting when one's on a Decker service... 🙄
I don't understand what you are trying to say.
They don't normally appear on the X3/X4/X5, 16 or 94/95 routes, so quite noteworthy I think. Normally its the 65/67's that see them alongside the 28/8/71/66.
It was only over the last few days, that they were going on routes where you don't normally see them and the reason for that has been explained now.
Quote from: Jack on January 07, 2022, 10:00:08 AM
And are we going to constantly have the PB thread hijacked by Omnilinks making appearances on Decker services now as you seem to keep posting when one's on a Decker service... 🙄
Yes
Quote from: Wumpty on January 07, 2022, 11:35:43 AM
Yes
As has just been said it's been explained so literally is no need to, take your self-minded attitude elsewhere.
Quote from: Jack on January 07, 2022, 01:15:28 PM
As has just been said it's been explained so literally is no need to, take your self-minded attitude elsewhere.
I answered your question - if you don't like the answers, then don't ask the question. And I'll be staying right here and will continue to contribute.
Quote from: Wumpty on January 07, 2022, 01:29:25 PM
I answered your question - if you don't like the answers, then don't ask the question. And I'll be staying right here and will continue to contribute.
The question was answered before you even made a comment, look back! We now know why the Omnilinks are being used on Decker services more so there's no longer a need to be filling the Perry Barr thread with Omnilinks on Decker services! Goodness me...
Quote from: Jack on January 07, 2022, 03:07:32 PM
The question was answered before you even made a comment, look back! We now know why the Omnilinks are being used on Decker services more so there's no longer a need to be filling the Perry Barr thread with Omnilinks on Decker services! Goodness me...
Dudes relax it's a forum nobody wants arguments going on about omnilinks just relax it dosent matter
Quote from: bbs on January 07, 2022, 11:55:03 PM
Dudes relax it's a forum nobody wants arguments going on about omnilinks just relax it dosent matter
I'm so laid back, I'm horizontal ;)
1821 out for the first time today since repaint on the 28, doesn't seem to be getting as much attention as yesterday's!
Quote from: Tony on January 28, 2022, 03:05:56 PM
1821 out for the first time today since repaint on the 28, doesn't seem to be getting as much attention as yesterday's!
Just happened to stumble across it in Erdington. Cheers for the heads up
@Tony! 😊
The first bus to visit the new Perry Barr garage was 2957 today
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/gonebatches/2957.html
Quote from: Tony on February 03, 2022, 07:03:12 PM
The first bus to visit the new Perry Barr garage was 2957 today
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/gonebatches/2957.html
When is the new garage due to open?
Quote from: Ian Hardy on February 06, 2022, 10:23:14 AM
When is the new garage due to open?
Before the Commonwealth games
I wonder how many electric vehicles the new garage will initially support or be future-proofed for. I seem to recall reading 20 but could be wrong
Quote from: cardew on February 06, 2022, 10:55:08 AM
I wonder how many electric vehicles the new garage will initially support or be future-proofed for. I seem to recall reading 20 but could be wrong
Why would you build a new garage that could only support 20 electric vehicles?
It will support a full fleet of them
Quote from: Tony on February 06, 2022, 11:34:43 AM
Why would you build a new garage that could only support 20 electric vehicles?
It will support a full fleet of them
You are correct it would make absolutely no sense. I recall a plan posted somewhere on here a good while back which is probably where the figure of 20 came from, but of course plans change.
I think it was 20 articulated type buses.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 07, 2022, 05:13:18 AM
I think it was 20 articulated type buses.
I thought they changed their mind on those?
Quote from: mesub on February 07, 2022, 08:17:53 PM
I thought they changed their mind on those?
That's goes back to the original plans at least a couple of years ago. I think
@CL, I wouldn't believe that, there's no low bridges on the 52 whatsoever, plus Deckers have been on it, 4480 was on it all day the other the day. Don't think anything at PB is unusual on the 52, especially the board that starts at Great Barr which does get a Decker most the time.
(Expects loads of unnecessary reports in NW of Deckers on the 52 when it's not NW)...
Quote from: Jack on February 10, 2022, 05:22:31 PM
@CL, I wouldn't believe that, there's no low bridges on the 52 whatsoever, plus Deckers have been on it, 4480 was on it all day the other the day. Don't think anything at PB is unusual on the 52, especially the board that starts at Great Barr which does get a Decker most the time.
(Expects loads of unnecessary reports in NW of Deckers on the 52 when it's not NW)...
Yes, the low bridges (or lack thereof) on the 52 did strike me as odd - hence "bizarre"
In any case, I was only reporting the working against the change in allocation as something of note (officially)
Quote from: Tony on February 06, 2022, 10:51:24 AM
Before the Commonwealth games
Tony, many thanks for the update.
However that does not give anyone much time to build something on the site to be ready for use at the Commonwealth Games in July 2022, which I thought was the whole reason why the garage had to move in the first place?
Quote from: Ian Hardy on February 12, 2022, 12:31:29 PM
Tony, many thanks for the update.
However that does not give anyone much time to build something on the site to be ready for use at the Commonwealth Games in July 2022, which I thought was the whole reason why the garage had to move in the first place?
The plans changed a couple of years ago. Instead of the planned athletes village, athletes and delegates are now using hotels. I think the 'old' PB may be used for games transport.
Interesting Instagram story this morning showing 4780 receiving a replacement door ram. Fascinating insight into how these machines are repaired.
(Not on remotecam
@karl724223 - most likely an iPhone!)
I caught 1918 on the 94 to Ward End this evening. Compeletly packed and left loads of people behind to. Not really a suitable allocation for the 94/95 which is normally a double decker. 16:07 to Chelmsley Wood.
Quote from: 2206 on March 15, 2022, 06:17:48 PM
I caught 1918 on the 94 to Ward End this evening. Compeletly packed and left loads of people behind to. Not really a suitable allocation for the 94/95 which is normally a double decker. 16:07 to Chelmsley Wood.
I think there was due to be an omnilink on that board yesterday. A 70** pulled up to drop off and went out of service. One of 8 buses to either go out of service or disappear from the display. Over 45 minutes it took me to get on a bus from that stop yesterday.
Quote from: Gareth on March 15, 2022, 06:33:47 PM
I think there was due to be an omnilink on that board yesterday. A 70** pulled up to drop off and went out of service. One of 8 buses to either go out of service or disappear from the display. Over 45 minutes it took me to get on a bus from that stop yesterday.
Scania yesterday might have been a 66. Sometimes they use that stop to unload, particularly if they are going to return to the garage afterwards, as they then take the Perry Barr bound exit off Old Sqaure.
7028 on the 66 it seems from Bus Times.
7027 was towed off site yesterday; in the state it's in, I would assume the likelihood of seeing it returning to service looks slim
Quote from: 2206 on March 15, 2022, 06:17:48 PM
I caught 1918 on the 94 to Ward End this evening. Compeletly packed and left loads of people behind to. Not really a suitable allocation for the 94/95 which is normally a double decker. 16:07 to Chelmsley Wood.
7023 on a equally dangerously overcrowded 15:52 95 to Chelmsley Wood this afternoon. Was very overcrowded as far as Ward End stops. When it arrived on the BS13 stand there was a very large crowd there, which is typical during the rush hour.
Is there not somewhere else more suited to these smaller vehicles?
I was in that so called 'queue'. Didn't bother with the scrum to get on and luckily the bus that came in out of service right behind it left as a 95E a couple of minutes later.
Quote from: Gareth on March 18, 2022, 05:33:12 PM
I was in that so called 'queue'. Didn't bother with the scrum to get on and luckily the bus that came in out of service right behind it left as a 95E a couple of minutes later.
Not been on a bus in ages, hate the thought you have to fight to get on now
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 18, 2022, 06:58:38 PM
Not been on a bus in ages, hate the thought you have to fight to get on now
The 94/95 stop at around 4pm is the worst kind of nightmare.
Quote from: 2206 on March 18, 2022, 04:46:58 PM
7023 on a equally dangerously overcrowded 15:52 95 to Chelmsley Wood this afternoon. Was very overcrowded as far as Ward End stops. When it arrived on the BS13 stand there was a very large crowd there, which is typical during the rush hour.
Is there not somewhere else more suited to these smaller vehicles?
Quote from: Gareth on March 18, 2022, 05:33:12 PM
I was in that so called 'queue'. Didn't bother with the scrum to get on and luckily the bus that came in out of service right behind it left as a 95E a couple of minutes later.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 18, 2022, 06:58:38 PM
Not been on a bus in ages, hate the thought you have to fight to get on now
The thing is though, between the 94 and 95, they should run from city centre every five minutes or so?
Granted, traffic problems can cause delays, so waiting crowds can build up.
It's always your own choice to try and join the scrum and pile on to the first bus that arrives.
The departures screen will show when the next one is due, given the choice I'd rather wait a few minutes more than try and fight my way on board.
Quote from: Stu on March 18, 2022, 08:16:18 PM
The departures screen will show when the next one is due, given the choice I'd rather wait a few minutes more than try and fight my way on board.
I never see the double deckers that crowded and cramped though in the peaks.
Single deckers on the 94/95 is ridiculous to be honest when the double deckers are normally full. At least on a double decker people go upstairs to, so nowhere near as awful as these.
Quote from: Stu on March 18, 2022, 08:16:18 PM
The thing is though, between the 94 and 95, they should run from city centre every five minutes or so?
Granted, traffic problems can cause delays, so waiting crowds can build up.
It's always your own choice to try and join the scrum and pile on to the first bus that arrives.
The departures screen will show when the next one is due, given the choice I'd rather wait a few minutes more than try and fight my way on board.
They should operate every 5 minutes but they don't though, that's the issue. At that time of the day it's not a 5 minute frequency except on the timetable. The other day after 20 minutes one arrived. Another 10 minute wait and another turned up. Another 10 minutes another. Didn't help that 7 buses disappeared from the display without arriving. So you can't always rely on waiting a few minutes.
Other days a 20 minute wait and 5 arrive all together.
So glad I don't have to use those routes anymore
Todays awful allocation was 1907. I got 4941 on the 14 to Treaford Lane and walked up instead, all the 94/95's were rammed paticularly the Scania, this one a bit quieter in comparison.
These have become a daily occurence now sadly, deckers are full in the peaks, these scanias are ridiculous.
Perry Barr must be short of double deckers I guess.
Saw 1863 on Bromford Lane displaying 28E Old Oscott Dyas Road. Went straight ahead from Stechford Lane at Fox and Goose at about 20.50. No passengers on it. Normally see these scanias going that way to/from garage on Bromford Lane, but not displaying a service number.
Tracking for that one on bus times looks strange to, wonder why it went that way?
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/273156?date=2022-04-11#journeys/245532943
News is PB is loosing 4777,4778,4779,4780 to AG if they loose the heritage livery will another replace it ?
QuoteNews is PB is loosing 4777,4778,4779,4780 to AG if they loose the heritage livery will another replace it ?
No idea where that has come from
Quote from: Nxwm on April 18, 2022, 08:49:38 PMNews is PB is loosing 4777,4778,4779,4780 to AG if they loose the heritage livery will another replace it ?
Why would Acocks Green have them for? They can have omnilinks
why wouldnt they need them. You are constantly moaning that the 4 needs more deckers and when there is a suggestion of another 4 deckers coming you say why not have omnilinks?
Quote from: cris 99 on April 19, 2022, 09:08:30 AMwhy wouldnt they need them. You are constantly moaning that the 4 needs more deckers and when there is a suggestion of another 4 deckers coming you say why not have omnilinks?
If they needed more euro 6 deckers could have some 44XX.
Quote from: cris 99 on April 19, 2022, 09:08:30 AMwhy wouldnt they need them. You are constantly moaning that the 4 needs more deckers and when there is a suggestion of another 4 deckers coming you say why not have omnilinks?
They need more than just 4 buses...
Quote from: bbs on April 19, 2022, 12:55:55 PMThey need more than just 4 buses...
4 Deckers would be better than no Deckers...
Quote from: Nxwm on April 18, 2022, 08:49:38 PMNews is PB is loosing 4777,4778,4779,4780 to AG if they loose the heritage livery will another replace it ?
I never thought I would ever say this but I hope they don't leave because PB could end up with more single deckers.
If there has to be a choice between Omicities and Omnilinks then the Omnicities win ..... but only just !
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 19, 2022, 05:02:08 PMI never thought I would ever say this but I hope they don't leave because PB could end up with more single deckers.
If there has to be a choice between Omicities and Omnilinks then the Omnicities win ..... but only just !
Yes Perry Barr still need double deckers for busy routes like the 94/95, 65/67, 16, 101 and X3/X4/X5/X14.
To save all the pointless speculation, the cascade currently happening only has one more DD to leave PB and that is 6147 going back home to AG after accident repairs. This cascade leaves every garage with the required number of single and double decks and there's no plans to reduce the number of Double Decks at Perry Barr in the near future, or increase the number at AG
Is there more to come before the 24th? After 6147 leaves PB
QuoteIs there more to come before the 24th? After 6147 leaves PB
Is this sentence that difficult to understand?
"
there's no plans to reduce the number of Double Decks at Perry Barr in the near future"
Quote from: Tony on April 19, 2022, 07:16:40 PMTo save all the pointless speculation, the cascade currently happening only has one more DD to leave PB and that is 6147 going back home to AG after accident repairs. This cascade leaves every garage with the required number of single and double decks and there's no plans to reduce the number of Double Decks at Perry Barr in the near future, or increase the number at AG
Can't wait to see 6147 back on the 4s
QuoteIs this sentence that difficult to understand?
" there's no plans to reduce the number of Double Decks at Perry Barr in the near future"
I meant more transfers in general including other garages for the 24/4 changes
QuoteI meant more transfers in general including other garages for the 24/4 changes
Well as per several other posts, I am not allowed to post future fleet plans
There were 2 diamond staff travelling on 4806 today at the back of the lower deck and handing out new Diamond 94 timetables to passengers at 16:00.
Is the 14 moving to PB, I read somewhere ?
I was told by a driver that 14 is being taken off the BC 94/95 rota so this could be true?
QuoteI was told by a driver that 14 is being taken off the BC 94/95 rota so this could be true?
Not anytime soon. It may if the 14 has to go Single deck
Quote from: Tony on April 25, 2022, 09:11:50 PMNot anytime soon. It may if the 14 has to go Single deck
I did hear the rumour of 14 moving to AG for single decks
Yes, but that's not likely, so whoever told you that is guessing
Wonder if something would go the other way if the 14 went to PB and Scania operated?
94/95 boards to BC or something else?
Presumably 14 frequency and PVR would increase to, with smaller vehicles in use?
Why would the 14 have to become single deck?
Quote from: Jack D on April 27, 2022, 11:13:11 PMWhy would the 14 have to become single deck?
Potential HS2 works causing a diversion under a low bridge.
4811 sports the Sea Life Centre all-over advertisement.
Any idea where 1952 is, seems to of been off quite a while now.
Quote from: Jack on June 20, 2022, 04:46:33 PMAny idea where 1952 is, seems to of been off quite a while now.
Inside Perry Barr garage? :rolleyes:
Like other OmniLinks, either surplus to requirements or in need of repairs, I would imagine.
Quote from: Stu on June 20, 2022, 06:42:35 PMInside Perry Barr garage? :rolleyes:
Like other OmniLinks, either surplus to requirements or in need of repairs, I would imagine.
Indeed. Dead at the top of the yard.
Just had a question from a 'friend ' on Twitter.
He's heard a rumour that the X3 is being curtailed Brum to Hill Hook only.
Is that right?
Service 14 will be operated by Perry Barr from 24 July.
Service 94/95 will be fully operated by BC.
Quote from: PB2938 on July 02, 2022, 01:07:44 PMService 14 will be operated by Perry Barr from 24 July.
Service 94/95 will be fully operated by BC.
Is this to do with the 14 going Single Decker?
Yes 14 single deck. I believe PB have already started route learning drivers.
Quote from: Westy on June 22, 2022, 11:38:48 AMJust had a question from a 'friend ' on Twitter.
He's heard a rumour that the X3 is being curtailed Brum to Hill Hook only.
Is that right?
I hope it's just a rumour tbh, it's bad enough it don't run on Sundays for me but I would urge NX to not cut it. Without doubt it's my fave NX route, it's a lovely journey from Hill Hook to Lichfield. Last time I used it was quite well used.
Quote from: PB2938 on July 02, 2022, 02:07:16 PMYes 14 single deck. I believe PB have already started route learning drivers.
Does that mean the 52 will be solid Deckers then? Because currently there's enough for all the Single Decker routes including the 52. The 52 has started seeing Deckers again more regularly this last week.
Quote from: PB2938 on July 02, 2022, 02:07:16 PMYes 14 single deck. I believe PB have already started route learning drivers.
Can the 14 not use double deck Gemini?
As the route hasn't changed from City Centre to Chelmsley Interchange and frequency not increased? Seems strange. Until the Saltley Viaduct closes anyway.
Someone said on here it isn't closing for another year or so I think.
Also the 2 94/95 boards that come off the 839, will these do the 14 from September instead?
At the start of operation 14 at PB it is booked to use Gemini
Quote from: PB2938 on July 02, 2022, 05:14:22 PMAt the start of operation 14 at PB it is booked to use Gemini
So, not going single-deck then :rolleyes:
Quote from: PB2938 on July 02, 2022, 05:14:22 PMAt the start of operation 14 at PB it is booked to use Gemini
It will probably end up being a mix of everything, like all of Perry Barr's decker services.
There's no need for the 14 to be single decker until 2024. Unless the schedule for HS2 works in Saltley change yet again.
Just heard a rumour that the 477* are going in September. Believing thats false
PB ex Hagley Road E400 out on the 14 route today. Might have been 4809.
Route learning.
4780 in Heritage livery made a final appearance on the Ward End 94/95 routes today. Was running behind 4808 at about 20:10.
Both will be run only by Central Garage from tomorrow.
PB driver Mark Fitchew, who as some of you know, writes a blog about his various bus journeys across the UK, as well as his local trips, has started publishing his latest blog about the closure & relocation of PB.
https://buscapade.wordpress.com/2022/06/08/the-perry-barr-story-part-one-bct/
It's a multi part job, so don't forget to subscribe!
4484 on the PB 14 this morning. First time a Gemini has ran the 14 service.
Quote from: Westy on July 24, 2022, 10:58:55 AMPB driver Mark Fitchew, who as some of you know, writes a blog about his various bus journeys across the UK, as well as his local trips, has started publishing his latest blog about the closure & relocation of PB.
https://buscapade.wordpress.com/2022/06/08/the-perry-barr-story-part-one-bct/
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Interesting read, also interesting use of describing a future event in the past tense.
QuoteOn 31st September 2022, National West Midlands (NXWM) Perry Barr garage, my place of employment for nearly the past twenty five years, closed it's doors, moving to a brand new replacement at the opposite end of Wellhead Lane, at the junction with Aston Lane. Therefore, I decided that the time was right to look at the old garage's history.
There are however only 30 days in September! :rolleyes:
Quote from: 2206 on July 24, 2022, 11:00:22 AM4484 on the PB 14 this morning. First time a Gemini has ran the 14 service.
Considering its the first day of being operated from PB, and it was stated that Geminis would be the usual allocation, I wouldn't find that surprising to be honest.
Quote from: Stu on July 24, 2022, 02:01:59 PMInteresting read, also interesting use of describing a future event in the past tense.
There are however only 30 days in September! :rolleyes:
I did point it out to him on Twitter, but he's obviously not been in a position to change it yet.
I'm guessing it's this month, as they wouldn't move during the week surely?
Quote from: Stu on July 24, 2022, 04:14:45 PMConsidering its the first day of being operated from PB, and it was stated that Geminis would be the usual allocation, I wouldn't find that surprising to be honest.
I know that it will be normal. But it looked strange seeing 4484 this morning on what until recent months has long been a Trident stronghold.
Quote from: Westy on July 24, 2022, 04:50:33 PMI did point it out to him on Twitter, but he's obviously not been in a position to change it yet.
I'm guessing it's this month, as they wouldn't move during the week surely?
Is the new garage even finished yet?
I would imagine there would be a 'transition' with vehicles and equipment being transferred over a period of time.
Quote from: Stu on July 24, 2022, 04:56:31 PMIs the new garage even finished yet?
I would imagine there would be a 'transition' with vehicles and equipment being transferred over a period of time.
Well, I'm sure there is a certain 'someone' who could clear this up!
The "key", so to speak, is due to be handed over for the 1st October. Full operation out of Aston Lane is expected by the end of that month (by the 26th, I've heard)
Quote from: Stu on July 24, 2022, 02:01:59 PMInteresting read, also interesting use of describing a future event in the past tense.
There are however only 30 days in September! :rolleyes:
Tried to view the link but it's coming back as broken link
Quote from: Nxwm on July 24, 2022, 09:51:09 PMTried to view the link but it's coming back as broken link
That's interesting, unless he's back from work & is trying to fix it?
I'll have a look tomorrow, unless someone wants to find him on Twitter themselves?
Perry Barr is operating the 51 as a standby.
Quote from: busboy31 on August 02, 2022, 05:59:09 PMPerry Barr is operating the 51 as a standby.
4817, 6810, 6823, 7506, 7512 (and 4825 with no blinds) all on 51.
Don't know what 4490 I think it was, was doing on the 67 this morning on the Vale as it came out of Farnborough Road went right around the island just missing my car and went back down Farnborough Road at about 11:20 showing Castle Vale on the blinds. I was waiting to go across the island heading towards the Spitfire Island after going to Sainsbury's shopping
That's where the 67 terminates, so it has to do a u-turn at that island. Were you at the island already when the bus came onto it, or was the bus already on the island when you approached?
The terminus has been closed all morning due to a stabbing last night.
Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2022, 02:47:06 PMThe terminus has been closed all morning due to a stabbing last night.
Yes I read about the stabbing after I posted so yeah that would explain it cheers
@Tony.
Quote from: ellspurs on August 13, 2022, 02:23:04 PMThat's where the 67 terminates, so it has to do a u-turn at that island. Were you at the island already when the bus came onto it, or was the bus already on the island when you approached?
I was approaching the island and wondered why a Gemini was coming off Farnborough Road so had to stop for obvious reasons but was expecting the bus to go down Tangmere Drive towards Sainsbury's but got a shock when it went right around the island and back down Tangmere Drive again.
@ellspurs. I have since read that High St is/was closed off due to a stabbing last night which Tony mentioned in response to my post earlier cheers
Was waiting for the 28 to Ward End in Erdington, timetabled on the stop I was waiting at Suttton Road/Orchard Road at 18:15 bus 1833 turned up approaching the stop at high speed and sped straight past without stopping, despite that I flagged it down.
So I waited for the 18:30, so I did the same thing and flagged it down 1950 stopped.
Saw ex Walsall 4858 on the 14.
Wonder if 4854 - 56 will be going back to Perry Barr as well?
https://buscapade.wordpress.com/2022/08/03/the-perry-barr-story-part-one-bct/
https://buscapade.wordpress.com/2022/08/09/the-perry-barr-story-part-two-wmpte/
Looks like the blogs have been fixed!
I'm hearing the 101 is to be extended to West Brom bus station? Will the 101 still be operated by PB or WB?
Quote from: Nxwm on August 30, 2022, 09:28:38 AMI'm hearing the 101 is to be extended to West Brom bus station? Will the 101 still be operated by PB or WB?
I wonder where the extra drivers will come from for that, if it's true that is
QuoteI'm hearing the 101 is to be extended to West Brom bus station? Will the 101 still be operated by PB or WB?
Woudnt that be a bit pointless since the 74 is a road away from where 101 terminates
QuoteWoudnt that be a bit pointless since the 74 is a road away from where 101 terminates
The 101 has more than one stop on the route.
When are the scania omnideckers transferring out to AG then ?
QuoteWhen are the scania omnideckers transferring out to AG then ?
What makes you think that is happening? - It isn't!
Quote from: Tony on September 05, 2022, 02:43:12 PMWhat makes you think that is happening? - It isn't!
Just heard a rumour a while ago just wanted to know if it was true or not that's all
QuoteWhen are the scania omnideckers transferring out to AG then ?
They aren't?
Quote from: Nxwm on September 05, 2022, 02:24:16 PMWhen are the scania omnideckers transferring out to AG then ?
Quote from: Nxwm on September 05, 2022, 09:43:40 PMJust heard a rumour a while ago just wanted to know if it was true or not that's all
You do know what the word 'rumour' actually means then?
https://buscapade.wordpress.com/2022/09/07/the-perry-barr-story-part-three-deregulation/
1902 went back to Perry Barr from Saltley with Queen Elizabeth II Thankyou ma'am on the display at the end of its morning peak on the Inner Circle.
7021 is also on the 33 today.
Quote from: 2206 on September 13, 2022, 10:39:14 AM1902 went back to Perry Barr from Saltley with Queen Elizabeth II Thankyou ma'am on the display at the end of its morning peak on the Inner Circle.
Most/all buses are supposed to carry this blind from today
QuoteMost/all buses are supposed to carry this blind from today
Most have been done, H1011 I drove today had, but H1016 hadn't
Quote from: CL on September 13, 2022, 12:56:59 PMMost/all buses are supposed to carry this blind from today
For how long?
Would I be correct in thinking that this temporarily replaces the 'Not In Service' display?
Quote from: Westy on September 13, 2022, 06:19:50 PMWould I be correct in thinking that this temporarily replaces the 'Not In Service' display?
No, I have seen quite a few buses today with "not in service" blinds
QuoteWould I be correct in thinking that this temporarily replaces the 'Not In Service' display?
No
It is in addition, and can be used at Driver's discretion when not in service
Here it is on H1011
1905 at the Fox & Goose did a dead run displaying Birmingham 2022 service extra this afternoon.
Quote from: mesub on September 18, 2022, 07:11:14 PM6796's rear destination display is not working.
That one hasn't been working for years now I think
@mesub. It used to be regularly on the 94/95's.
QuoteThat one hasn't been working for years now I think @mesub. It used to be regularly on the 94/95's.
Hmmm, I wonder why it hasn't been noticed (or at least followed up) for some time
4799 has the all-over Subway advert.
7512 tracker looks to be working now and it's tracking as an x5 instead of 14 (which is the route it's doing and the blinds say 14) for some reason
4490 is on the morning peak 14 & 869. It has now done its last trip this morning the 10:05 City - Chelmsley Wood.
Looks like its one of the last B7TL out in service from Perry Barr according to bus times, the other being 4484 on the morning peak FD.
Iv'e not noticed any obvious changes to the perry barr garage site/depot
(at least not from the aldridge road) are the original building(s) still in use?
or is there a new garage nearby?
Seen an Enviro400 (481?//482?) go past Villa Park with a front display that had "national express West Midlands"
Quote from: AGPlaysMC on November 11, 2022, 08:21:47 PMSeen an Enviro400 (481?//482?) go past Villa Park with a front display that had "national express West Midlands"
They often display this instead of 'Not In Service'
Omnilinks on the 14 seem to be a daily occurrence now. Today 1831 is on there, yesterday 28 branded 1872 was.
1831 left rammed on the 14:04 to Chelmsley with half empty 6820 following behind it.
Oddly 1831, seems to be working the same board as 1872 was yesterday as well.
Quote from: 2206 on November 18, 2022, 03:54:36 PMOmnilinks on the 14 seem to be a daily occurrence now. Today 1831 is on there, yesterday 28 branded 1872 was.
1831 left rammed on the 14:04 to Chelmsley with half empty 6820 following behind it.
Oddly 1831, seems to be working the same board as 1872 was yesterday as well.
Been seeing omnilinks almost every day since 14 started operation at PB except for some reason they're never on there on weekends
QuoteBeen seeing omnilinks almost every day since 14 started operation at PB except for some reason they're never on there on weekends
Because there's double deckers free to use on those days???
There are many things displayed when not in service such as hire this bus, tribute to her majesty recently and I know there's a dedication to a driver who recently passed away.
4812 was seen running down Nechells Parkway yesterday afternoon city bound around 13.10 with passengers on board but 'not in service'. Let a couple of passengers off opposite the old Bloomsbury library. Assume it was running non stop from somewhere on the 14 route as it departed City as a 14.
4799 has a new wrap
Quote from: CL on November 20, 2022, 11:04:14 AM4799 has a new wrap
It's had the subway wrap for almost a month now
Speaking of OmniLinks on the 14 just caught 1899 on there today
Quote from: AGPlaysMC on November 21, 2022, 08:41:00 AMIt's had the subway wrap for almost a month now
It's a different one now
Quote from: busboy31 on November 21, 2022, 12:41:45 PMIt is for Meta Quest II.
oh okay, haven't seen that one in person as of yet
4817 is fully repaired after a RTC.
according to a photo on Tony Hunter's facebook.
Saw a post on Facebook the X14 is moving to BC
Is the old Perry Barr closing next week then?
Quote from: Jack6101 on December 03, 2022, 11:10:50 PMSaw a post on Facebook the X14 is moving to BC
I don't know why they don't have the same amount of buses/drivers from the 14 instead of transferring the x14
QuoteI don't know why they don't have the same amount of buses/drivers from the 14 instead of transferring the x14
Because it makes more sense operationally to have a complete route at a garage
Quote from: Tony on December 05, 2022, 10:59:32 AMBecause it makes more sense operationally to have a complete route at a garage
from a personal experience one garage should operate majority if not all of a route service, 12s 13s operated by THE FARM and WB not good we have drivers who refuse to over take another garages bus , i have over taken FARM drivers then they hang back most annoying vice versa etc. The work ethic between the two garages are very different and thats from management who have worked at both GARAGES
4805 is out today for the first time since February, literally just caught it on the 14
https://buscapade.wordpress.com/2022/12/05/the-perry-barr-story-part-four-perry-barr-me/
Courtesy of Perry Barr driver Mark Fitchew!
16 to cover WB46 i hear, i assume 2 buses an hour might go to wbbs can't see the whole service going etc
Quote from: Jack6101 on December 03, 2022, 11:10:50 PMSaw a post on Facebook the X14 is moving to BC
Is this Facebook post true about the X14 moving to Birmingham Central? If so, when?
QuoteIs this Facebook post true about the X14 moving to Birmingham Central? If so, when?
Yes, From January
Are BC losing anything / swapping anything with PB?
QuoteAre BC losing anything / swapping anything with PB?
No, It is moving to allow space for an extension to the training school be set up in the new perry barr garage
Quote from: Tony on December 07, 2022, 11:42:20 AMNo, It is moving to allow space for an extension to the training school be set up in the new perry barr garage
Renaming it Transkill with a complete roadway built out the back?
so the 16 will not be going to West Bromwich at all its replacing the 46 from Hamstead to Scott Arms as a 16A the West Bromwich section will be covered by Diamond
New Not in Service blind been used to commemorate the closure of the current garage.
'1932 - 2022 Perry Barr Garage Wellhead Lane'
Saw it on a Platty running dead earlier this evening
Quote from: monkeyjoe on December 04, 2022, 01:31:55 PMIs the old Perry Barr closing next week then?
According to the following article, today (Dec 10th) is the first day of operations from the new site.
https://www.thebusinessdesk.com/westmidlands/news/2070045-new-sustainable-bus-garage-developed-by-bam
QuoteAccording to the following article, today (Dec 10th) is the first day of operations from the new site.
https://www.thebusinessdesk.com/westmidlands/news/2070045-new-sustainable-bus-garage-developed-by-bam
The 'keys' were handed over a couple of weeks ago and some work has been going on down there since then, but tonight is the first time the fleet will run back into that garage not the old one at the end of service.
Quote from: cris 99 on December 08, 2022, 09:09:14 PMso the 16 will not be going to West Bromwich at all its replacing the 46 from Hamstead to Scott Arms as a 16A the West Bromwich section will be covered by Diamond
46 back to londonderry would be a good idea
Quote from: frostjay974 on December 11, 2022, 05:02:56 PM46 back to londonderry would be a good idea
The 48/48A and 89 do a more than adequate job of covering that iteration of the 46.
Hales Lane, Thimblemill Road and Londonderry Lane are served by the 89. St. Paul's Road is covered by the 54/54A, and Manor Road passengers have the 48/48A on one end of the road and the 89 on the other
There's a rumour on Facebook going around about the X14 going to Birmingham Central. Along with an unreliable rumour about the 60 moving to Acocks Green
Quote from: BBS on December 18, 2022, 11:13:26 AMThere's a rumour on Facebook going around about the X14 going to Birmingham Central. Along with an unreliable rumour about the 60 moving to Acocks Green
It's not a rumour
QuoteIt's not a rumour
So are they both true?
Quote from: BBS on December 18, 2022, 11:17:44 AMSo are they both true?
If you look back through this thread, you'll see Tony has already confirmed the X14 will be operated by Birmingham Central from January.
As for the 60, I doubt it.
QuoteIf you look back through this thread, you'll see Tony has already confirmed the X14 will be operated by Birmingham Central from January.
As for the 60, I doubt it.
I was thinking the same for the 60, people I the Facebook enthusiast group said 60 is moving to AG. 1 person said the X12 is too.
Will BC be receiving any buses from PB for the X14?
Quote from: MasterPlan on December 18, 2022, 01:52:26 PMWill BC be receiving any buses from PB for the X14?
If the rumour about the 60 or X12 moving to AG is true then I'd probably say no
QuoteWill BC be receiving any buses from PB for the X14?
How many times do I have to post that future fleet moves are not posted?
QuoteIf the rumour about the 60 or X12 moving to AG is true then I'd probably say no
If the 60 moves to AG won't any buses move along with it to go on the 60?
Quote from: Tony on December 18, 2022, 02:02:46 PMHow many times do I have to post that future fleet moves are not posted?
I wasn't asking for specific fleetnumbers I was just curious as to whether they already have enough buses for the X14 too or they need more, but okay...
Quote from: Jack D on December 18, 2022, 01:58:46 PMIf the rumour about the 60 or X12 moving to AG is true then I'd probably say no
i reckon that x12 should go back to AG
Quotei reckon that x12 should go back to AG
No it shouldn't, it was moved to BC. It should stay there and the 60 should go to AG
Quote from: BBS on December 19, 2022, 12:33:47 AMNo it shouldn't, it was moved to BC. It should stay there and the 60 should go to AG
Wouldn't that result in NX having to type train AG drivers on E40Ds?
QuoteWouldn't that result in NX having to type train AG drivers on E40Ds?
They already had them on loan 2-3 months ago
Can I remind ALL members that this topic is for Perry Barr garage?
Please use other topics to discuss other garages and their services.
https://buscapade.wordpress.com/2022/12/28/the-perry-barr-story-part-five-the-final-years/
What is the address of the new garage?
Quote from: jamesX4 on January 05, 2023, 07:38:47 PMWhat is the address of the new garage?
157 Aston Lane, Handsworth, Birmingham, B20 3BW
(according to Royal Mail)
Quote from: Stu on January 05, 2023, 07:57:22 PM157 Aston Lane, Handsworth, Birmingham, B20 3BW
(according to Royal Mail)
B20. So it's actually now Handsworth Garage. :smiley:
QuoteB20. So it's actually now Handsworth Garage. :smiley:
I mean it still keeps its name as Perry barr, but is in Handsworth 😂😂😂😂
Quote from: jamesX4 on January 05, 2023, 08:17:49 PMB20. So it's actually now Handsworth Garage. :smiley:
Seems the postal address is indeed Handsworth. I had no idea anything that side of Birchfield Road was Handsworth. I'd assumed it was Aston, Perry Barr, Birchfield or Witton. I thought Handsworth was the other side of Birchfield Road.
This is just nonsense about where the new garage is. It might have a Handsworth postcode but Perry Barr doesn't have it's own Postcode, Some parts of Perry Barr are B42 which is a Great Barr postcode, B20 covers some of Perry Barr and Birchfield. One thing is certain and that is the new Perry Barr garage is not in Handsworth !
On the WMT Limited license Perry Barr new address is as follows:
National Express West Midlands, Aston Lane, Birmingham, B20 3BW, GB
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/view-details/licence/117951
Its defiantly not Handsworth, as Mike says nothing on that side of Birchfield Rd is Handsworth. Its just because its on the cusp of B20 which is mainly Handsworth.
It's borderline Perry Barr / Witton in my eyes.
I noticed in my collection of timetables a service 911 (NXWM Perry Barr) which ran from the Fort Shopping Centre to Bromford Lane/Tyburn Road. Does anyone know what it did to turn around at the Tyburn Road end?
Route was circa 2002.
4801 was being wrapped in the ITVX advert when I paid a visit earlier today
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 15, 2023, 04:27:46 PMI noticed in my collection of timetables a service 911 (NXWM Perry Barr) which ran from the Fort Shopping Centre to Bromford Lane/Tyburn Road. Does anyone know what it did to turn around at the Tyburn Road end?
Route was circa 2002.
I seem to recall the odd trio 3125/6/8 loitering around the Fort when I worked at Metro-Cammell (well, Alstom) around this time, presumably on this service. Looking at the map, I understand the root of your question - there's no natural turning head in the vicinity of the old Navigation pub (probably the China Buffet at the time).
Quote from: The Real 4778 on January 16, 2023, 08:49:37 PMI seem to recall the odd trio 3125/6/8 loitering around the Fort when I worked at Metro-Cammell (well, Alstom) around this time, presumably on this service. Looking at the map, I understand the root of your question - there's no natural turning head in the vicinity of the old Navigation pub (probably the China Buffet at the time).
Couldn't they use Tyburn Road, right to Wheelwright Road, left to Bromford Lane, left to Tyburn Road?
Quote from: don on January 16, 2023, 09:21:24 PMCouldn't they use Tyburn Road, right to Wheelwright Road, left to Bromford Lane, left to Tyburn Road?
I didn't think they came from the Spaghetti Junction end to reach Tyburn/ Bromford. I assumed the route went up Bromford Lane itself, or Wingfoot Way/ Holly Lane.
QuoteI didn't think they came from the Spaghetti Junction end to reach Tyburn/ Bromford. I assumed the route went up Bromford Lane itself, or Wingfoot Way/ Holly Lane.
Whichever way you approach from you can still use that Triangle
When did they put the Tyburn Road bus lane in? I'm sure you could turn left at the Navigation Inn (now Buffet Island) before the bus lane went in.
Another alternative (which would cover all the bus stops on Bromford Lane) would've been right off Bromford Lane onto Wood Lane, left at the roundabout to stay on Wood Lane, left onto Tyburn Road and then left back onto Bromford Lane.
Saw 4780 on the move last night; left BC passing Great Barr Street around 4pm, presumably headed to Walsall for paint
QuoteSaw 4780 on the move last night; left BC passing Great Barr Street around 4pm, presumably headed to Walsall for paint
Back to PB for them to put the bits back on they 'borrowed' for the other 3 while it was dead
4486 on the 16.20 907 from City, blinds are blank
Saw a PB Omnilink displaying X3 Shenstone at the Fox & Goose this afternoon.
Dead run back to garage from the 28 I think. could possibly have been 7031.
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/tnxb-pb-7031?date=2023-02-05#journeys/379542148
4801 is following the 23 route but not in service, so I'm assuming it's doing route learning (looked like there were a few drivers inside). Is it on loan to BC or?
Quote from: mesub on February 10, 2023, 01:48:22 PM4801 is following the 23 route but not in service, so I'm assuming it's doing route learning (looked like there were a few drivers inside). Is it on loan to BC or?
It's back at PB now. Just seen it on Aldridge Road heading towards the Boars Head.
4780 back in service. A noticeably shinier blue rear end. You wouldn't think it had had any repair work done, a real credit to the engineering staff.
A 16 branded E400 MMC turning from Walford Road to Stratford Road at around 12PM just now. Not sure what it was doing, looked a bit out of place.
1898 on the 907......why ?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on March 11, 2023, 10:12:24 AM1898 on the 907......why ?
It wanted a change of scenery.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on March 11, 2023, 10:12:24 AM1898 on the 907......why ?
Because the driver found a fault on the platinum on his walk round check and 1898 was the ready spare
Just been told by a family member who works at PB that the old depot is becoming the birmingham wholesale market. They're moving it from town to perry barr for some reason!
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on April 17, 2023, 04:27:57 PMJust been told by a family member who works at PB that the old depot is becoming the birmingham wholesale market. They're moving it from town to perry barr for some reason!
The wholesale Market is already in Perry Barr, so that would be just a move up the road like the garage was
4780 was supposed to do the 1620 turn on the 907 yesterday but because it was late coming of the school service 814 which is a regular occurrence it didn't show and ended up starting at Perry Barr at 1704, what's worse it that 6818 which comes into City at 1610 on the 907 goes out not in service. This duty needs changing
When the new Perry Barr depot was built, were electric points put in ready for electric vehicles at some point?
Is daysaver or nbus valid on x3 from Lichfield?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 28, 2023, 05:03:45 PMIs daysaver or nbus valid on x3 from Lichfield?
nbus is not valid beyond the Watford Gap Island bus stop.
All NX tickets are valid.
@Bartosz not noteworthy to see an Omnicity on the 16 at all. They crop up everywhere apart from the X3/4/5.
4812 on the 14 did a unusual loop today up Saltley Bridge, Washwood Heath Road, Aston Church Road, Heartlands Parkway.
Also the woman sat behind the driver taking up the first 2 seats at the front, spent the whole journey from City to Alum Rock Road ranting at the driver because she wants "no person sat next to her".
Think she may have been asked to let someone sit down as it was a busy service.
Quote from: 2206 on May 18, 2023, 07:07:40 PM4812 on the 14 did a unusual loop today up Saltley Bridge, Washwood Heath Road, Aston Church Road, Heartlands Parkway.
Also the woman sat behind the driver taking up the first 2 seats at the front, spent the whole journey from City to Alum Rock Road ranting at the driver because she wants "no person sat next to her".
Think she may have been asked to let someone sit down as it was a busy service.
There shouldn't be no forward facing seats by the driver . people distract the driver. Either constant staring ,mobile phone or playing music.
4823 is now de branded from the 101 and is now daysaver branded. With a new font looks very smart. Saw it on the 907 this evening
Quote from: John on May 26, 2023, 06:43:11 PM4823 is now de branded from the 101 and is now daysaver branded. With a new font looks very smart. Saw it on the 907 this evening
Wait? Are they gonna debrand the branded ones?
I was out in Sutton earlier and I'm sure I seen 6816 stripped of its X3/X4/X5 branding. I wasn't that close but certainly looked like it, so apologise in advance if it wasn't! But can anyone confirm this please?
Quote from: James1987 on May 30, 2023, 07:29:59 PMI was out in Sutton earlier and I'm sure I seen 6816 stripped of its X3/X4/X5 branding. I wasn't that close but certainly looked like it, so apologise in advance if it wasn't! But can anyone confirm this please?
Yes I.noticed that as well. Maybe less being branded stop them going off route.
Ahhh thought it was! Interesting, wonder if it will be just the one or if more buses with this branding will follow!
We're starting to see more and more buses being debranded now, I wonder nxwm are moving away from route branding?
WB dudley rd branded buses end up every where, currently short on buses might have something to do with it, one of the afternoons there were 10 drivers waiting for an allocation.
QuoteI was out in Sutton earlier and I'm sure I seen 6816 stripped of its X3/X4/X5 branding. I wasn't that close but certainly looked like it, so apologise in advance if it wasn't! But can anyone confirm this please?
Think it has been price branded now. Saw one on the 33 (on which 6816 is tracking on) this morning with no ad frames
The 33 branded E400's are now losing their branding.
What PB Enviro400s have been debranded so far
QuoteWhat PB Enviro400s have been debranded so far
I believe 4849 is one, 4823 is another
Quote from: BNH2004 on June 02, 2023, 09:42:24 PMWhat PB Enviro400s have been debranded so far
4815 has been debranded. I believe it's the first mention on here regarding a 7 branded example.
Quote from: CL on June 02, 2023, 10:03:48 PM4815 has been debranded. I believe it's the first mention on here regarding a 7 branded example.
4824 has as well
QuoteWhat PB Enviro400s have been debranded so far
4846
4850 now debranded.
4818 on 907, front destination screen not working
Why have PB lost the branding on buses Sutton's 33 101?
Quote from: Nxwm on June 07, 2023, 09:51:57 PMWhy have PB lost the branding on buses Sutton's 33 101?
Guessing its to free up buses for other routes,it's been happening to a lot of routes (and operators)
and tbf half of the route branded buses end up on different routes anyway you'd have 101,33,7,16 branded buses all on the X4 at once sometimes
Quote from: Nxwm on June 07, 2023, 09:51:57 PMWhy have PB lost the branding on buses Sutton's 33 101?
CONJECTURE
Early preparation for fleet movements when E164-E333 enter service? Being a brand new garage I would imagine PB will be in pole position to get quite a few of them.
Quote from: cardew on June 08, 2023, 07:40:43 AMCONJECTURE
Early preparation for fleet movements when E164-E333 enter service? Being a brand new garage I would imagine PB will be in pole position to get quite a few of them.
That was my guess to be honest.
QuoteCONJECTURE
Early preparation for fleet movements when E164-E333 enter service? Being a brand new garage I would imagine PB will be in pole position to get quite a few of them.
Remember that Coventry is to be 100% electrics so its possible that some single deck routes in the city might get converted to electric deckers
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 08, 2023, 09:36:16 PMRemember that Coventry is to be 100% electrics so its possible that some single deck routes in the city might get converted to electric deckers
I personally hope that is the case, we only need singles on 20B and 24/25 because of low bridges, all other routes can have deckers i think
Quote from: Danthebusman on June 09, 2023, 08:12:57 AMI personally hope that is the case, we only need singles on 20B and 24/25 because of low bridges, all other routes can have deckers i think
Out of interest, where is the low bridge(s) on the 24/25 route? I was sure I had covered that area in my old 13' 6" truck and I don't recall having any problems with bridges except the one in Long Lawton which the stagecoach 86 serves.
Is it more that they tend to use the short singles because of (1) the expected load and (2) the tightness of some of those Warwickshire villages (namely Frankton)?
Havent seen this mentioned anywhere but 7031 is sporting an all over ad (an energy drink I think). Unusually it also includes the front end.
Quote from: Gareth on June 10, 2023, 12:28:19 AMHavent seen this mentioned anywhere but 7031 is sporting an all over ad (an energy drink I think). Unusually it also includes the front end.
That explains the colour differential on Bustimes - thanks for the update!
Quote from: Gareth on June 10, 2023, 12:28:19 AMHavent seen this mentioned anywhere but 7031 is sporting an all over ad (an energy drink I think). Unusually it also includes the front end.
can see that confusing some passengers seeing a "Rockstar Energy" bus approaching, especially since (from the pictures i've seen) it doesn't have any NXWM stickers
Quote from: Gareth on June 10, 2023, 12:28:19 AMHavent seen this mentioned anywhere but 7031 is sporting an all over ad (an energy drink I think). Unusually it also includes the front end.
7021 & 7028 also carries the same advert.
PB E400s are starting to lose the branding as they start to debrand the rear of the 7/101 as 4814 and 4818 lose their rear branding.
Quote from: busboy31 on June 17, 2023, 11:58:05 AMPB E400s are starting to lose the branding as they start to debrand the rear of the 7/101 as 4814 and 4818 lose their rear branding.
They have been for a few weeks now...
It appears the Enviros have updated their brandings
7: 8 - 10 mins
101: 10 - 12 mins
Quote from: busboy31 on June 25, 2023, 07:46:02 PMIt appears the Enviros have updated their brandings
7: 8 - 10 mins
101: 10 - 12 mins
Really? Considering they are being debranded.
Quote from: busboy31 on June 25, 2023, 07:46:02 PMIt appears the Enviros have updated their brandings
7: 8 - 10 mins
101: 10 - 12 mins
BC 97 has been changed to every 6 minutes.
Quote from: busboy31 on June 25, 2023, 07:46:02 PMIt appears the Enviros have updated their brandings
7: 8 - 10 mins
101: 10 - 12 mins
35 has also been updated to every 12 mins.
Quote from: GoldenSquid on June 25, 2023, 09:24:04 PMBC 97 has been changed to every 6 minutes.
Wish the X12 and X13 was every 6 minutes 😂😂 or atleast every 15 mins tops
What happened yesterday with the X3 didn't seem so many out 1710 didn't run
Quote from: Solo1 on July 16, 2023, 08:16:09 AMWhat happened yesterday with the X3 didn't seem so many out 1710 didn't run
The X3 interworks with the X4 & X5, all the buses were on the road, but if you sit there looking at bustimes 6803, 6819, 6961 & 7508 don't track.
7512 operated the 17:10 departure
Ok thanks didn't show on the tracker the 1710 so got 8 to Walsall & X51 back to Birmingham
1710 from Lichfield that wasn't tracking
Quote from: Solo1 on July 16, 2023, 08:35:27 AM1710 from Lichfield that wasn't tracking
7512 - SK19 EUB – National Express West Midlands – bustimes.org (https://bustimes.org/vehicles/tnxb-pb-7512?date=2023-07-15#journeys/451702944)
I was coming back from Lichfield to Birmingham at 1725 bus did show on tracker unless it was one that ran & didn't track so went back via Walsall
Quote from: Solo1 on July 16, 2023, 09:41:00 AMI was coming back from Lichfield to Birmingham at 1725 bus did show on tracker unless it was one that ran & didn't track so went back via Walsall
So reporting falsely reporting off Bustimes with no intention of catching it
Quote from: Tony on July 16, 2023, 10:17:47 AMSo reporting falsely reporting off Bustimes with no intention of catching it
I was planning on catching 1725 back got the 1440 to Lichfield which on tracker showed it came from depot
One from Monday on my way to work on the Adderley Road I passed an omnilink on the 8C parked up at the timing point leaning very badly on the passenger side as if the suspension had gone there was an engineer there talking to the other driver, never caught the fleet number as I was overtaking another parked 8C and forgot to take note
So do we know when PB will be getting the new zenobe buses? What's happening with the buses that were used at Glastonbury ?
Quote from: Nxwm on August 09, 2023, 10:38:50 AMSo do we know when PB will be getting the new zenobe buses? What's happening with the buses that were used at Glastonbury ?
The buses used at Glastonbury aren't owned/leased by NX so unless they take them on then no idea what's gonna happen with them.
On a side note I was unaware PB were getting new buses, presumably with the new depot, electric charging points are already installed?
Quote from: Lukeee on August 09, 2023, 02:36:01 PMThe buses used at Glastonbury aren't owned/leased by NX so unless they take them on then no idea what's gonna happen with them.
On a side note I was unaware PB were getting new buses, presumably with the new depot, electric charging points are already installed?
Perry Barr is likely to get the 30 that have already been built and seen in Falkirk but it's not guaranteed
4815 back in service for first time since February.
Quote from: Tony on August 09, 2023, 02:38:23 PMPerry Barr is likely to get the 30 that have already been built and seen in Falkirk but it's not guaranteed
Ah right, be interesting to see where they get allocated assuming they get them.
Predication would be the Sutton lines as they tend to be the go to for new bus types at PB, seem to remember them getting the presidents, then volvos few years after and the first e400s, would be nice to get them on the x3 to Litchfield... only time will tell.
Quote from: Tony on August 09, 2023, 02:38:23 PMPerry Barr is likely to get the 30 that have already been built and seen in Falkirk but it's not guaranteed
Ahh ok fair enough Tony also understand you can't say too much either thanks anyways
Quote from: danny on August 09, 2023, 05:26:53 PMPredication would be the Sutton lines as they tend to be the go to for new bus types at PB, seem to remember them getting the presidents, then volvos few years after and the first e400s, would be nice to get them on the x3 to Litchfield... only time will tell.
Could the 8 get some? Replacing more 57 reg scanias and making the inner circle zero emission?
Maybe they'll replace some of the 48** on the 7, 33 and 101 and allow them to be cascaded to replace tridents elsewhere.
Quote from: 2206 on August 09, 2023, 09:25:37 PMCould the 8 get some? Replacing more 57 reg scanias and making the inner circle zero emission?
Does the Inner Circle still go under that bridge that means they have to use single deckers?
Quote from: ellspurs on August 09, 2023, 10:03:55 PMDoes the Inner Circle still go under that bridge that means they have to use single deckers?
Think it was said the electric buses can go under the Highgate Road Bridge. Its a 14' 3" bridge
If I remember correctly, E400 MMCs and BYD Electrics are 14' 2". So they can fit under the Highgate Road bridge and do the full 8A/C with no difficulties. I don't think that single decks are suitable for the inner circle anymore, so a change might be needed.
Plus that bridge has seen 14' 6" buses go beneath it before the triangle sign got changed to a circle.
QuotePerry Barr is likely to get the 30 that have already been built and seen in Falkirk but it's not guaranteed
I believe next year those electric Streetdecks will also make an appearance too? In my opinion I think those will either go Walsall or AG. Wherever their needed
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 09, 2023, 09:29:10 PMMaybe they'll replace some of the 48** on the 7, 33 and 101 and allow them to be cascaded to replace tridents elsewhere.
4843-4862 would slot in nicely at WN and WA but I'm getting ahead of myself. PB was described as having the "capacity" to house electric buses and chargers so hopefully it won't take too long to get the actual electricity to power them when it goes ahead.
Quote from: BBS on August 10, 2023, 12:27:53 AMI believe next year those electric Streetdecks will also make an appearance too? In my opinion I think those will either go Walsall or AG. Wherever their needed
Would've thought Walsall would become a hydrogen garage, as it's already got hydrogen for the 51 etc?
Pensnett full platinum decker garage
Moving the ode oss n carts to wolves
Quote from: Ronnoc on August 09, 2023, 11:35:53 PMIf I remember correctly, E400 MMCs and BYD Electrics are 14' 2". So they can fit under the Highgate Road bridge and do the full 8A/C with no difficulties. I don't think that single decks are suitable for the inner circle anymore, so a change might be needed.
Plus that bridge has seen 14' 6" buses go beneath it before the triangle sign got changed to a circle.
Yes you're right MMC's are 14' 2", I'm not sure about the BYD Electrics, but if the Enviro's (4xxx) remain at PB then putting double deckers on the 8A/8C is unlikely. Firstly because Enviro's are 14' 6" and it only takes one mistake and it's too late, secondly there are too many bus routes at PB that normally use double deckers that sometimes have those horrible Scania Omnilinks on them so that needs to be dealt with first, the same applies at YW on mainly the 2 and 3. Also surely a bigger candidate for double deckers is at AG for the 4/4A which must be a bigger priority than the 8A/8C
Quote from: Lukeee on August 09, 2023, 02:36:01 PMThe buses used at Glastonbury aren't owned/leased by NX so unless they take them on then no idea what's gonna happen with them.
On a side note I was unaware PB were getting new buses, presumably with the new depot, electric charging points are already installed?
The electrical work such as the wires and charging cables have already already been built and installed underground the charging points will presumably be installed around about when the new E400 EVs arrive and yes Perry Barr will be getting them soon as the drivers and staff said that they will be getting them very soon
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 10, 2023, 11:04:04 AMYes you're right MMC's are 14' 2", I'm not sure about the BYD Electrics, but if the Enviro's (4xxx) remain at PB then putting double deckers on the 8A/8C is unlikely. Firstly because Enviro's are 14' 6" and it only takes one mistake and it's too late, secondly there are too many bus routes at PB that normally use double deckers that sometimes have those horrible Scania Omnilinks on them so that needs to be dealt with first, the same applies at YW on mainly the 2 and 3. Also surely a bigger candidate for double deckers is at AG for the 4/4A which must be a bigger priority than the 8A/8C
Physically there's no mistake to make, despite the signage. That bridge is high enough to allow Plaxton Presidents/Geminis through. It was one of the "dead routes" for the 11, running from Hagley Road to Acocks Green.
Quote from: MW on August 10, 2023, 01:52:46 PMPhysically there's no mistake to make, despite the signage. That bridge is high enough to allow Plaxton Presidents/Geminis through. It was one of the "dead routes" for the 11, running from Hagley Road to Acocks Green.
The sign is a red circle which means it's an order, it used to be a red triangle which is advisory so when you say there is no mistake to make you are wrong because if any bus goes under that is more than 14' 3" inches high then it would be breaking the law.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 10, 2023, 02:43:47 PMThe sign is a red circle which means it's an order, it used to be a red triangle which is advisory so when you say there is no mistake to make you are wrong because if any bus goes under that is more than 14' 3" inches high then it would be breaking the law.
Hence why I used the word physically
Quote from: MW on August 10, 2023, 03:07:35 PMHence why I used the word physically
I think it's very likely that the 8A/8C will remain single deckers for the foreseeable future
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 10, 2023, 03:22:25 PMI think it's very likely that the 8A/8C will remain single deckers for the foreseeable future
The AG 5 goes under a 14" 3' bridge as well and sees consistent deckers. So how come the 8 couldn't do as well. 8 to AG so it can use deckers to maybe?
Quote from: 2206 on August 10, 2023, 05:23:24 PMThe AG 5 goes under a 14" 3' bridge as well and sees consistent deckers. So how come the 8 couldn't do as well. 8 to AG so it can use deckers to maybe?
The 8 could go under the bridge on Highgate Road using MMC's but I still maintain what I stated that there are too many bus routes at PB that normally use double deckers that sometimes have Scania Omnilinks on them so that needs to be dealt with first, the same applies at YW on mainly the 2 and 3. Also a bigger candidate for double deckers is surely the 4/A at AG which must be a bigger priority than the 8A/8C.
QuoteThe 8 could go under the bridge on Highgate Road using MMC's but I still maintain what I stated that there are too many bus routes at PB that normally use double deckers that sometimes have Scania Omnilinks on them so that needs to be dealt with first, the same applies at YW on mainly the 2 and 3. Also a bigger candidate for double deckers is surely the 4/A at AG which must be a bigger priority than the 8A/8C.
So what if electrics go to AG, and the E200mmcs can go on to the 8A/8C?
Polite notice, please keep this topic relevant to Perry Barr garage matters, please use other topics to discuss wider subjects being raised here.
Quote from: BBS on August 10, 2023, 08:08:10 PMSo what if electrics go to AG, and the E200mmcs can go on to the 8A/8C?
What's your obsession with the 8 getting new buses? I certainly hope PB do not get any E200MMC, they have a bad turning circle. B7RLE's would be much better, even though they are boring.
QuoteWhat's your obsession with the 8 getting new buses? I certainly hope PB do not get any E200MMC, they have a bad turning circle. B7RLE's would be much better, even though they are boring.
How come you picked me with picking the 8 when there's others who are talking about the 8 getting new buses more than me?
Well maybe in the future, the enviros could possibly leave for the new electrics, then maybe you'll get to sit on a double deck allocated 8A/C. Who wouldn't want to sit upstairs on that route with all the areas it caters for? 🙃
So the rumours are PB are getting the x14 back so what they losing in return
QuoteSo the rumours are PB are getting the x14 back so what they losing in return
Rumours are rumours buddy, not always true
As it's been confirmed by Simon Dunn that Diamond have lost the daytime operation of the 96, it makes me wonder if it's going to return to Perry Barr from October.
QuoteAs it's been confirmed by Simon Dunn that Diamond have lost the daytime operation of the 96, it makes me wonder if it's going to return to Perry Barr from October.
Does stagecoach have any chances of operating it
Quote from: BBS on August 16, 2023, 01:39:29 PMDoes stagecoach have any chances of operating it
They probably do tbh as I believe they are trying to operate more routes within the Birmingham area so it is of course likely
Nobody considered Landflight for the 96? 👀
Quote from: BBS on August 16, 2023, 01:39:29 PMDoes stagecoach have any chances of operating it
Hope its nx its already unreliable enough under diamond lmao
Also id presume the tender requires full size singles since diamond runs 11.5 lites and pulsars almost exclusively on it and at peak it fills them too, and rugby doesnt have any full size singles unless they get e300s or 200mmcs.
Quote from: EK40 on August 16, 2023, 02:46:32 PMHope its nx its already unreliable enough under diamond lmao
Also id presume the tender requires full size singles since diamond runs 11.5 lites and pulsars almost exclusively on it and at peak it fills them too, and rugby doesnt have any full size singles unless they get e300s or 200mmcs.
There's no specific Vehicle Specification for the 96; only Euro 6.
The diamond 96 is mostly streetlights the occasional pulsar is used though.
Quote from: MW on August 16, 2023, 02:02:37 PMNobody considered Landflight for the 96? 👀
Actually didn't think of them tbh would make sense I guess as they could have driver changes in Chelmsley unless of course they had it interwork with the A10 in Chelmsley that's if it still runs to Chelmsley that is because it did do the last time I knew
Quote from: MW on August 16, 2023, 02:02:37 PMNobody considered Landflight for the 96? 👀
It'd be brave for Landflight to do that route. Do they have enough buses? I know they have enough drivers but are they willing to do it (if they get the route)
There's a majority of 48xx E400s not being out since the end of July.
Quote from: busboy31 on August 18, 2023, 08:22:56 PMThere's a majority of 48xx E400s not being out since the end of July.
That's not even a month, do you have nothing else better to do but stalk PB's E400's.
QuoteHope its nx its already unreliable enough under diamond lmao
Also id presume the tender requires full size singles since diamond runs 11.5 lites and pulsars almost exclusively on it and at peak it fills them too, and rugby doesnt have any full size singles unless they get e300s or 200mmcs.
Aren't the Enviro 200s capable?
Quote from: BBS on August 18, 2023, 09:02:33 PMAren't the Enviro 200s capable?
They would be, I don't think Diamond are doing a bad job of the 96, they've done quite well.
Quote from: busboy31 on August 18, 2023, 08:22:56 PMThere's a majority of 48xx E400s not being out since the end of July.
Well if you mean they could be used on the 96 they can't because of the low bridge in Erdington this is why deckers CAN'T be used on the route
It's about time the 16 and 28 swapped stops at the Scott Arms, drivers have agreed it's an accident waiting to happen. With the 16's long layover and the 28's reliability having buses having to reverse to park up on a main dual carriageway isn't very safe at all.
Will the orange 16 branding be swapped to to generic red in preparation knowing it's future is to be stretched over to longbridge
Quote from: Owen on September 27, 2023, 09:34:32 PMWill the orange 16 branding be swapped to to generic red in preparation knowing it's future is to be stretched over to longbridge
Thats years away? Doubt they'll be debranded anytime soon.
Quote from: 2206 on September 27, 2023, 09:36:38 PMThats years away? Doubt they'll be debranded anytime soon.
agree the 4 new cross city routes announced recently are many many years away, just look at the dudley road improvements we are years in only fraction of the work done.
Quote from: Owen on September 27, 2023, 09:34:32 PMWill the orange 16 branding be swapped to to generic red in preparation knowing it's future is to be stretched over to longbridge
Isn't/was the Pershore Road branding orange anyway? https://flic.kr/p/AFCCmh
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 27, 2023, 11:09:55 PMIsn't/was the Pershore Road branding orange anyway? https://flic.kr/p/AFCCmh
Yes some 2013 branded e400s at bc used to carry orange branding I believe (before that carried green 900 branding Im sure). Also not sure of fleet numbers.
The colour scheme for route branding we may see joint up.
Quote from: 2206 on September 27, 2023, 09:36:38 PMThats years away? Doubt they'll be debranded anytime soon.
Granted, but we've seen all of the X1/2 debranded. And a few of each at Perry Barr have had there's removed. Bar 16's
Quote from: Owen on September 27, 2023, 11:29:02 PMGranted, but we've seen all of the X1/2 debranded. And a few of each at Perry Barr have had there's removed. Bar 16's
That was due to PVR changes
Why are so many platinums allocated to the 14 today. The 907 could use them. Should actually make the Sutton lines platinum. Even bc doesn't allocate it platinums
Quote from: Owen on October 13, 2023, 03:23:49 PMWhy are so many platinums allocated to the 14 today. The 907 could use them. Should actually make the Sutton lines platinum. Even bc doesn't allocate it platinums
Bus is a bus. No one cares as long as it turns up.
The Sutton Lines are Platinum.
BC used to use Platinums on the 14.
Quote from: Owen on October 13, 2023, 03:23:49 PMWhy are so many platinums allocated to the 14 today. The 907 could use them. Should actually make the Sutton lines platinum. Even bc doesn't allocate it platinums
Double-deck buses on double-deck routes.
If a bus is a bus what's the point of 'platinum' spec? I don't see the 9 a full allocation of tridents.
I see the X4 regularly use e400s at peak times, when there's Sutton platinum branded buses all over the place.
If they keep running services like these they'll be turned odious.
Quote from: Owen on October 13, 2023, 07:05:59 PMIf a bus is a bus what's the point of 'platinum' spec? I don't see the 9 a full allocation of tridents.
I see the X4 regularly use e400s at peak times, when there's Sutton platinum branded buses all over the place.
If they keep running services like these they'll be turned odious.
Services have been running like this since 2016...
Since 2020 i've noticed buses are used more a less wherever they can and need to be, none of PB's Decker routes have a solid allocation, just OmniCities are banned off the X3/4/5 cause of the bridge towards Shenstone.
The 9 regularly coughs up E400's...
Quote from: Owen on October 13, 2023, 07:05:59 PMIf a bus is a bus what's the point of 'platinum' spec?
'Platinum' has been the default spec for all new bus purchases since they were introduced.
It is just the new 'standard'.
Quote from: Owen on October 13, 2023, 03:23:49 PMWhy are so many platinums allocated to the 14 today. The 907 could use them. Should actually make the Sutton lines platinum. Even bc doesn't allocate it platinums
They needed to see the wonderment that is Alum Rock Road on a Friday.
Quote from: ellspurs on October 13, 2023, 08:17:20 PMThey needed to see the wonderment that is Alum Rock Road on a Friday.
Someone quick-witted 🙌🏻
Platinum isn't the standard vehicle, it may be predominantly platinum in the city. However my point remains.
The Sutton lines have always required around 30 vehicles, and been kept update every few years, those 3 routes tend to be more respected by passengers . While the 14 was allocated predominantly tridents with the odd e400 before arriving at PB. Now the Suttons regularly serve that clarty route.
Quote from: Owen on October 13, 2023, 09:28:35 PMSomeone quick-witted 🙌🏻
Platinum isn't the standard vehicle, it may be predominantly platinum in the city. However my point remains.
The Sutton lines have always required around 30 vehicles, and been kept update every few years, those 3 routes tend to be more respected by passengers . While the 14 was allocated predominantly tridents with the odd e400 before arriving at PB. Now the Suttons regularly serve that clarty route.
The 14 has been mostly Platinum and E400 as well as the odd omnilink omnicity appearing even more so since the 44XX left PB last year. The 94/95 could also see any bus type when they were at PB to before.
With the X1 leaving BC, those platinums will also be freed up for another route. Guess they might go on the 60 or even the 14
Quote from: ellspurs on October 13, 2023, 08:17:20 PMThey needed to see the wonderment that is Alum Rock Road on a Friday.
Alum Rock road is beautifully quiet on a Friday, especially in the afternoon. Possibly the only time it is beautifully quiet.
Quote from: 2206 on October 13, 2023, 09:53:36 PMWith the X1 leaving BC, those platinums will also be freed up for another route. Guess they might go on the 60 or even the 14
Hopefully there will be less non-platinums on platinum routes then
Isn't the X14 going back to PB also ?
Quote from: 2206 on October 13, 2023, 09:53:36 PMThe 14 has been mostly Platinum and E400 as well as the odd omnilink omnicity appearing even more so since the 44XX left PB last year. The 94/95 could also see any bus type when they were at PB to before.
With the X1 leaving BC, those platinums will also be freed up for another route. Guess they might go on the 60 or even the 14
bc is going to need to give back PB some platinums for the X14. Whatever spare from the X1 should be used on more worthy routes like the 61/3 for a start.
Quote from: Owen on October 15, 2023, 12:13:16 AMbc is going to need to give back PB some platinums for the X14. Whatever spare from the X1 should be used on more worthy routes like the 61/3 for a start.
X14 might just use the deckers from the 14 moving out.
Why are they more worthy?
Quote from: 2206 on October 15, 2023, 12:28:14 AMX14 might just use the deckers from the 14 moving out.
Why are they more worthy?
Why is the 61/63 more worthy than the 14 for newer buses? Pretty obvious. The 61 was platinum until things got moved around when the new X20 came in.
PB gave 7513/4 to BC for the X14 in jan so it's only fair the same platinum buses (with charging ports that actually work) return back. Why should the X14 use the same deckers as the 14 when it's a platinum route?
I have no doubt when the 14 returns to BC, it will use an equal share of tridents and e400s on the WWH rota. Maybe an odd platinum...
Quote from: Owen on October 15, 2023, 03:23:05 AMWhy is the 61/63 more worthy than the 14 for newer buses? Pretty obvious. The 61 was platinum until things got moved around when the new X20 came in.
PB gave 7513/4 to BC for the X14 in jan so it's only fair the same platinum buses (with charging ports that actually work) return back. Why should the X14 use the same deckers as the 14 when it's a platinum route?
I have no doubt when the 14 returns to BC, it will use an equal share of tridents and e400s on the WWH rota. Maybe an odd platinum...
Because I would have thought PB would have enough deckers for it as the X14 has a lower PVR than the 14. And they'd be double decker buses for a double decker route.
I would also think the 14 is equally as worthy for newer buses as its a very busy route. Its seen lots of platinums at PB anyway.
Quote from: 2206 on October 15, 2023, 12:17:21 PMBecause I would have thought PB would have enough deckers for it as the X14 has a lower PVR than the 14. And they'd be double decker buses for a double decker route.
I would also think the 14 is equally as worthy for newer buses as its a very busy route. Its seen lots of platinums at PB anyway.
This is what I don't get '
And they'd be double decker buses for a double decker route.'- your pretty much stating that the X14 should be de-platinum allocated' for the same, less in amount of buses that were used on the 14. Why? It operated fine at PB as 'platinum' since 2016... so it should loose that for the dirty 14?
My point was BC thought the 14 was so worthy, all the tridents that served on the 900' 3 upgrades ago, and the old tridents on the 45/7 should collectively be allocated to these east Birmingham routes. And even when they were being seen off in 2021 still used on the 14 till it transfer to PB...
Quote from: Owen on October 15, 2023, 01:29:06 PMThis is what I don't get 'And they'd be double decker buses for a double decker route.'- your pretty much stating that the X14 should be de-platinum allocated' for the same, less in amount of buses that were used on the 14. Why? It operated fine at PB as 'platinum' since 2016... so it should loose that for the dirty 14?
dirty 14? Is it much worse than a lot of other City routes?
Quote from: 2206 on October 15, 2023, 01:32:34 PMdirty 14? Is it much worse than a lot of other City routes?
This is just clogging up the thread with your questions on my unanswered questions. Yes it is hence my point bc allocate it oldest of the old, and PB Allocate it every other type of bus(2007-2019).
Quote from: Owen on October 15, 2023, 01:45:23 PMThis is just clogging up the thread with your questions on my unanswered questions. Yes it is hence my point bc allocate it oldest of the old, and PB Allocate it every other type of bus(2007-2019).
If it's 'so dirty' why do they Platinums on it then? They also have the most clearest CCTV to catch any trouble makers.
When BC had the 14 it was a mix of Tridents E400's and Platinums, so sort your logic out and your rude tone.
Even when it does go back they have a handful of unbranded 46** left, so it will be every so often they are on the 14, as the 44** do stick to the 97 97% of time.
"Bus" goes on "Bus route". That is all that matters.
Quote from: Jack on October 15, 2023, 04:26:29 PMIf it's 'so dirty' why do they Platinums on it then? They also have the most clearest CCTV to catch any trouble makers.
When BC had the 14 it was a mix of Tridents E400's and Platinums, so sort your logic out and your rude tone.
Even when it does go back they have a handful of unbranded 46** left, so it will be every so often they are on the 14, as the 44** do stick to the 97 97% of time.
And who asked you to answer for him? You're just talking at this point. none of what you say makes sense.....
Quote from: ellspurs on October 15, 2023, 04:29:21 PM"Bus" goes on "Bus route". That is all that matters.
If that was the case there wouldn't be any branded buses. Vehicle upgrades would be made proportionally across Birmingham + Black Country.
Nor would there be generic branding 'charge into city' 'extra leg room' 'free Wi-Fi' exc... if those buses didn't make a difference to passengers.
Quote from: Owen on October 15, 2023, 04:53:18 PMAnd who asked you to answer for him? You're just talking at this point. none of what you say makes sense.....
Are you another ALF like Mr Williams?
Quote from: Jack on October 15, 2023, 06:01:31 PMAre you another ALF like Mr Williams?
More talking a whole heap of nothing?
You're still so bothered by this guy, you bring him up now. he's been banned from this forum for some precious time. No one else is bothered and is glad he's gone.
Quote from: Owen on October 15, 2023, 06:17:55 PMMore talking a whole heap of nothing?
You're still so bothered by this guy, you bring him up now. he's been banned from this forum for some precious time. No one else is bothered and is glad he's gone.
You're also doing the same by moaning that Platinums are on the 14, no passengers care as long as the bus turns up and takes them to their destination, whether it be a full size single or Hydrogen.
Remind me where he's been brought up by me? You talk exactly like him as if you know it all.
Quote from: Jack on October 15, 2023, 06:19:42 PMYou're also doing the same by moaning that Platinums are on the 14, no passengers care as long as the bus turns up and takes them to their destination, whether it be a full size single or Hydrogen.
Remind me where he's been brought up by me? You talk exactly like him as if you know it all.
I'm sure no passengers on the 14 care that a Sutton bus is on their turf. But it bothers me for one, when I have to get in an e400 at peaks.
I recall you demanding Tony that YW need something better than tridents from BC (in the transfers thread). So seen as 'a bus is a bus' you're a hypocrite.
I wonder where else you have gone backtracked.
'Are you another ALF like Mr Williams?''Remind me where he's been brought up by me?'
Quote from: Owen on October 15, 2023, 06:31:19 PMI'm sure no passengers on the 14 care that a Sutton bus is on their turf. But it bothers me for one, when I have to get in an e400 at peaks.
I recall you demanding Tony that YW need something better than tridents from BC (in the transfers thread). So seen as 'a bus is a bus' you're a hypocrite.
I wonder where else you have gone backtracked.
'Are you another ALF like Mr Williams?'
'Remind me where he's been brought up by me?'
I didn't demand anything, I suggest you go back and read what I said, YW do deserve better than unreliable Tridents, YW drivers say the same too. So I suggest you sort your attitude out.
@Owen @Jack stop the bickering, the rest of us don't want to read it! Winston
Quote from: winston on October 15, 2023, 07:22:02 PM@Owen @Jack stop the bickering, the rest of us don't want to read it! Winston
I'm oh-so Sorry. I wasn't expecting a constructive critique.
Quote from: Owen on October 15, 2023, 08:52:32 PMI'm oh-so Sorry. I wasn't expecting a constructive critique.
If you want to stay on this forum, I'd drop the attitude.
Quote from: winston on October 15, 2023, 08:56:46 PMIf you want to stay on this forum, I'd drop the attitude.
I'm not bothered. It's dominated by some obnoxious characters.
Quote from: Owen on October 15, 2023, 09:08:08 PMI'm not bothered. It's dominated by some obnoxious characters.
As you wish!
Quote from: Owen on October 15, 2023, 03:23:05 AMPB gave 7513/4 to BC for the X14 in jan so it's only fair the same platinum buses (with charging ports that actually work) return back. Why should the X14 use the same deckers as the 14 when it's a platinum route?
The buses were transferred to BC because they needed extra vehicles, maybe not specifically for the X14.
With the 14 moving out of PB and the X14 returning, I'm pretty sure PB will have enough Platinum vehicles for the X14, ie the ones currently being used on the 14 that you're moaning about.
Anyway, looking at the NX Bus website, it would seem that the notion of 'Platinum routes' has now been quietly dropped as there is no mention of these now (just 'Platinum Buses').
As I pointed out earlier, this spec is now the default standard for new deliveries, and the existing E400MMCs are treated no differently to other double decks, apart from those branded for particular routes.
Your argument will also become invalid once Zenobe sort themselves out as PB is likely to receive a large influx of new electric buses in the near future.
Quote from: Owen on October 15, 2023, 01:29:06 PMThis is what I don't get 'And they'd be double decker buses for a double decker route.'- your pretty much stating that the X14 should be de-platinum allocated' for the same, less in amount of buses that were used on the 14. Why? It operated fine at PB as 'platinum' since 2016... so it should loose that for the dirty 14?
Although the whole platinum brand is essentially disappearing so there's not point really and I'm pretty certain PB has spare platinum's anyway
Quote from: Owen on October 15, 2023, 06:31:19 PMI'm sure no passengers on the 14 care that a Sutton bus is on their turf. But it bothers me for one, when I have to get in an e400 at peaks.
I recall you demanding Tony that YW need something better than tridents from BC (in the transfers thread). So seen as 'a bus is a bus' you're a hypocrite.
I wonder where else you have gone backtracked.
'Are you another ALF like Mr Williams?'
'Remind me where he's been brought up by me?'
An E400 seats 77. An E400MMC platinum seats 73. So an E400 is better for the peaks on your X14
Sorry, I know this is a bit random, but what does ALF stand for?
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on October 16, 2023, 07:07:01 AMSorry, I know this is a bit random, but what does ALF stand for?
Way off topic its Alien life form
4801 now in a right state from the Mentos advert.
Quote from: filbus1 on October 16, 2023, 07:29:57 AMWay off topic its Alien life form
We've finally got a definition!
Quote from: GoldenSquid on October 15, 2023, 11:02:10 PMAlthough the whole platinum brand is essentially disappearing so there's not point really and I'm pretty certain PB has spare platinum's anyway
Sort of agree
@GoldenSquid - its not disappearing as such, though (as I've posted on other threads), the Platinum brand is diluted by the new grey liveries being applied. In a round about way, this should quell passenger concerns psychologically that if a grey bus turns up on an expected Platinum route, then they'll accept it, rather than a crimson or other.
Quote from: Gareth on October 15, 2023, 11:42:04 PMAn E400 seats 77. An E400MMC platinum seats 73. So an E400 is better for the peaks on your X14
Another very good point from
@Gareth that bolsters the "any decker on a peak working is better than nothing", indeed, any bus on any route at anytime, is better than no bus running at all.
Quote from: busboy31 on October 16, 2023, 12:10:28 PM4801 now in a right state from the Mentos advert.
Its probably gonna get rewrapped as soon as possible because wraps do not do the paintwork any favours tbh like 4799 which has lots of bare metal
(4801 if anyone hasnt seen it https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/553651820237684758/1162551523302195240/20231013_221328.jpg ) not my image
Quote from: EK40 on October 17, 2023, 09:55:23 AMIts probably gonna get rewrapped as soon as possible because wraps do not do the paintwork any favours tbh like 4799 which has lots of bare metal
(4801 if anyone hasnt seen it https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/553651820237684758/1162551523302195240/20231013_221328.jpg ) not my image
Wow that's awful.
I'm guessing it's now destined for a life of overall ads or/and a repaint cost being charged to the ad company.
Quote from: Gareth on October 17, 2023, 10:07:17 AMWow that's awful.
I'm guessing it's now destined for a life of overall ads or/and a repaint cost being charged to the ad company.
It wasn't supposed to come out, but a fault was found on the vehicle allocated to the evening peak FD on Friday and that isn't a route you can just not run as the passengers have no alternative. It is getting a new wrap on tomorrow, but may not be out until Friday as the company don't want the advert seen until then.
Quote from: EK40 on October 17, 2023, 09:55:23 AMIts probably gonna get rewrapped as soon as possible because wraps do not do the paintwork any favours tbh like 4799 which has lots of bare metal
(4801 if anyone hasnt seen it https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/553651820237684758/1162551523302195240/20231013_221328.jpg ) not my image
wow thats next level
Is anyone a member of The Friends Of The Psv Circle Facebook page?
(Im not, but it was suggested!(
You might want to put them straight about that bus!
Quote from: Westy on October 18, 2023, 09:26:30 AMIs anyone a member of The Friends Of The Psv Circle Facebook page?
(Im not, but it was suggested!(
You might want to put them straight about that bus!
Put them straight on their opinions of its presentation?
Quote from: EK40 on October 17, 2023, 09:55:23 AMIts probably gonna get rewrapped as soon as possible because wraps do not do the paintwork any favours tbh like 4799 which has lots of bare metal
(4801 if anyone hasnt seen it https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/553651820237684758/1162551523302195240/20231013_221328.jpg ) not my image
That's my photo which seems to have caused quite a stir! I understand that from a presentation view, it doesn't look great. But I do agree that any bus is better than no bus...
It's also not like I haven't seen worse. I've seen buses running around with bare metal panels, panels taped on etc. As bad as it sounds, it's just part of the parcel of the industry. Things happen and sometimes you have to send something out that doesn't look the best. Just as long as it's legal and doesn't have any PG9's, then it's fine.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 18, 2023, 11:42:44 AMThat's my photo which seems to have caused quite a stir! I understand that from a presentation view, it doesn't look great. But I do agree that any bus is better than no bus...
It's also not like I haven't seen worse. I've seen buses running around with bare metal panels, panels taped on etc. As bad as it sounds, it's just part of the parcel of the industry. Things happen and sometimes you have to send something out that doesn't look the best. Just as long as it's legal and doesn't have any PG9's, then it's fine.
And it was only on the FD as the original bus broke down and that's the only route at PB where passengers can't just wait for the next bus
4808 being towed at the Scott Arms in the direction of Walsall.
6808 last allocation of the 14 pb
4801 has the illuminated EE all-over
Yesterday (Mon 30th)
I saw a single deck X3 bulging at the seams and had to leave people.
Other day a single deck 7 again full to capacity leaving stops with people unable to board.
Will PBs double decker allocation be increased at all?
Quote from: B.C Driver on October 31, 2023, 12:14:23 AMYesterday (Mon 30th)
I saw a single deck X3 bulging at the seams and had to leave people.
Other day a single deck 7 again full to capacity leaving stops with people unable to board.
Will PBs double decker allocation be increased at all?
Eventually yes, but need Zenobe to get the chargers installed at depots so more EVs can start to be delivered.
Quote from: Stu on October 31, 2023, 07:21:06 AMEventually yes, but need Zenobe to get the chargers installed at depots so more EVs can start to be delivered.
PB is a brand new garage, surely when built at considerable cost it was equipped for Hydrogen fueling!
Quote from: jamesX4 on November 01, 2023, 07:03:26 PMPB is a brand new garage, surely when built at considerable cost it was equipped for Hydrogen fueling!
You don't need Hydrogen fuelling to charge electric buses
Quote from: Tony on November 01, 2023, 07:38:12 PMYou don't need Hydrogen fuelling to charge electric buses
Clearly, but electric vehicles are currently in high supply because electric charging points are relatively cheap to install.
An increase in hydrogen fueling stations around the country, can only be a benefit to reaching net zero. And re-feulling the 51s locally is surely a benefit.
Will you get 20+years use out of your electric buses as you did with your diesel buses?
Quote from: jamesX4 on November 01, 2023, 07:46:56 PMClearly, but electric vehicles are currently in high supply because electric charging points are relatively cheap to install.
An increase in hydrogen fueling stations around the country, can only be a benefit to reaching net zero. And re-feulling the 51s locally is surely a benefit.
Will you get 20+years use out of your electric buses as you did with your diesel buses?
But why would you build a garage with Hydrogen charging which is both expensive to install and takes up a lot of land if you intend operating electric buses from it?
QuoteClearly, but electric vehicles are currently in high supply because electric charging points are relatively cheap to install.
An increase in hydrogen fueling stations around the country, can only be a benefit to reaching net zero. And re-feulling the 51s locally is surely a benefit.
Will you get 20+years use out of your electric buses as you did with your diesel buses?
Battery replacements/motor parts replacements will extend life like they change diesel engine/parts for current diesels buses doubt any bus has there original engine.
Quote from: jamesX4 on November 01, 2023, 07:46:56 PMClearly, but electric vehicles are currently in high supply because electric charging points are relatively cheap to install.
Will you get 20+years use out of your electric buses as you did with your diesel buses?
You think electric charging points are relatively cheap to install? maybe for 1 car, not for 100 buses where a new substation is normally needed.
There's no reason why Electric buses won't last longer than diesels. Yes they will need new batteries (not NX problem, that is Zenobe's) but diesels generally need new engines & gearboxes which are just as expensive (ask Scania how much they want for a replacement engine). There's a lot less movement and vibration on an electric so the structure of the bus should last a lot longer.
Quote from: Tony on November 01, 2023, 07:57:49 PMYou think electric charging points are relatively cheap to install? maybe for 1 car, not for 100 buses where a new substation is normally needed.
There's no reason why Electric buses won't last longer than diesels. Yes they will need new batteries (not NX problem, that is Zenobe's) but diesels generally need new engines & gearboxes which are just as expensive (ask Scania how much they want for a replacement engine). There's a lot less movement and vibration on an electric so the structure of the bus should last a lot longer.
Intending to run electric buses today based on current cost and government subsidy. It will be interesting to see policy in 7 years or so.
It is positive to hear that electric buses don't cost any more, or significantly more than diesel buses over their lives.
Quote from: jamesX4 on November 01, 2023, 08:05:22 PMIntending to run electric buses today based on current cost and government subsidy. It will be interesting to see policy in 7 years or so.
It is positive to hear that electric buses don't cost any more, or significantly more than diesel buses over their lives.
The 170 buses that should start delivery in the next two weeks were ordered commercially. There's no government subsidy for them
Quote from: jamesX4 on November 01, 2023, 07:46:56 PMClearly, but electric vehicles are currently in high supply because electric charging points are relatively cheap to install.
An increase in hydrogen fueling stations around the country, can only be a benefit to reaching net zero. And re-feulling the 51s locally is surely a benefit.
Will you get 20+years use out of your electric buses as you did with your diesel buses?
The 51 is operated from Walsall garage, not Perry Barr. The ultimate intention is to have a hydrogen facility at the Walsall garage, which will be a benefit as it means vehicles don't have to travel to Tyseley to refuel.
No point having one at Perry Barr garage if they're not having any hydrogen buses.
Quote from: Stu on November 01, 2023, 08:25:05 PMThe 51 is operated from Walsall garage, not Perry Barr. The ultimate intention is to have a hydrogen facility at the Walsall garage, which will be a benefit as it means vehicles don't have to travel to Tyseley to refuel.
No point having one at Perry Barr garage if they're not having any hydrogen buses.
However the Sprinters were meant to be hydrogen so it's only recently been announced these are to be electric. Talking of which, any news on when the Sprinters will arrive (at PB)? Or are NXWM still trying to talk the WMCA officers/politicians out of them?
Is it intended Walsall operated routes will be eventually hydrogen operated?
Good luck to the people of Walsall
1889 front, nearside and rear blinds are blank/not working whilst in service on the 28. No paper route number or signage.
At Ward End heading for Heartlands 15:20 today
@Tony .
I saw 6797 in Sutton earlier displaying FD to Birmingham. It just went through and didnt stop or anything
That's because it did a school run to Sutton Coldfield then ran dead to Fort to do the FD to Birmingham
4827 is repaired following an RTC and is also debranded.
wonder when the 96 gets a timetable change, its always constantly 10-20 mins late very often 30 at peak times, even when there isnt any issues with traffic or roadworks.
Like as of right now the most punctual bus is 23 mins late, most late being 42 mins late which has been the normal for quite a while now
Don't think it was this unreliable under diamond
Quote from: EK40 on December 11, 2023, 05:16:39 PMwonder when the 96 gets a timetable change, its always constantly 10-20 mins late very often 30 at peak times, even when there isnt any issues with traffic or roadworks.
Like as of right now the most punctual bus is 23 mins late, most late being 42 mins late which has been the normal for quite a while now
It is taking 26 minutes to get from the Fort to Erdington, which should take 12, not sure any bus can avoid traffic
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 11, 2023, 07:09:59 PMDon't think it was this unreliable under diamond
Think there was more running time but less drop back with diamond
Quote from: Lukeee on December 11, 2023, 07:20:48 PMThink there was more running time but less drop back with diamond
There wasn't, either way, the same round trip time, so doesn't make any difference to accumulative delays
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 11, 2023, 07:09:59 PMDon't think it was this unreliable under diamond
If Diamond were still running it, it would be just as unreliable now, for the reasons Tony stated above.
You were only moaning the other day about how unreliable Diamond's 4H is!
Quote from: Tony on December 11, 2023, 08:10:57 PMThere wasn't, either way, the same round trip time, so doesn't make any difference to accumulative delays
Not the same route though, diamond did the old oscott section between half 9 and half 2 and only got 4 mins drop back at kingstanding, what's not helping the 96 currently is the road works on Holly Lane.
According to bus times 1874 on the 28 doing the 1409 from Heartlands to Scott Arms running an average of 4 minutes early between Tameside Drive and The Crossways, it arrived at Scott Arms at 15.18 which was 5 minutes early.
Surely this is unacceptable.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on December 14, 2023, 03:46:39 PMAccording to bus times 1874 on the 28 doing the 1409 from Heartlands to Scott Arms running an average of 4 minutes early between Tameside Drive and The Crossways, it arrived at Scott Arms at 15.18 which was 5 minutes early.
Surely this is unacceptable.
Yes, it's unacceptable that the GPS on 1874 is out slightly so doesn't track correctly.
With regards to the last point. It left the last timing point at Beeches Road (due 15:11) at 15:11:22 according to the Satnav built into the drive-cam unit and arrived at the stop by Old Walsall Road at 15:17.40. Bustimes then records it at Scott Arms at 15:17:45 when it is directly opposite the stop, but by the time it had got up to the U-turn and back to the actual stop at the Scott Arms it was 15:22:10 (50 seconds early). This is why the 'Late running thread should only have things people have actually seen, not just watching a screen
Quote from: Tony on December 14, 2023, 06:35:18 PMYes, it's unacceptable that the GPS on 1874 is out slightly so doesn't track correctly.
With regards to the last point. It left the last timing point at Beeches Road (due 15:11) at 15:11:22 according to the Satnav built into the drive-cam unit and arrived at the stop by Old Walsall Road at 15:17.40. Bustimes then records it at Scott Arms at 15:17:45 when it is directly opposite the stop, but by the time it had got up to the U-turn and back to the actual stop at the Scott Arms it was 15:22:10 (50 seconds early). This is why the 'Late running thread should only have things people have actually seen, not just watching a screen
I wasn't just watching a screen, my wife was on another bus hoping to swap to the 28 which in the end wasn't possible, I was on the phone with her tracking it on bus times. Whilst i take what you said with my apologies do not assume that I was just looking at a screen !
Surely it should be worded as 'Bus A is running x minutes late, according to Bustimes. Is there anyone on the ground that can confirm this?' ?
Minor Service changes from January 2024:
Services 3/X3 are rerouted Osborne Road, Bridgeman Way, Claypits Lane in Lichfield.
Service 855 is renumbered 77B and extended to New Oscott.
Minor timetable changes | NX Bus West Midlands (https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/service-updates/minor-timetable-changes)
https://nxbus.co.uk/coventry/service-updates/minor-timetable-changes
@Wba_lad, Omnilinks are common on the 16 every weekdays there's a few on there.
Interesting just read a post on Facebook castle residents complaining to their local councillor, reference the fairly recent new terminus parking arrangements causing issues.
The 0654 907 from Sutton was a Scania Omnilink 7021. Full to rafters. Ridiculous !
E167 has joined E165 in the driver training rota for drivers at Perry Barr. E167 is in full livery and may be seen out and about next week
I'm hearing a lot of rumours that WA's remaining BX61s are moving to PB in the Summer. Is this true as I found it quite hard to believe considering the Hydrogen bus problems.
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on January 21, 2024, 08:53:43 AMI'm hearing a lot of rumours that WA's remaining BX61s are moving to PB in the Summer. Is this true as I found it quite hard to believe considering the Hydrogen bus problems.
a) Don't bother listening to rumours, wait for facts from the company
b) why on earth would a garage about to replace every diesel double deck with a brand new electric double deck want 12 year old diesels transferred in.
Quote from: Tony on January 21, 2024, 09:00:37 AMa) Don't bother listening to rumours, wait for facts from the company
b) why on earth would a garage about to replace every diesel double deck with a brand new electric double deck want 12 year old diesels transferred in.
Exactly what i was thinking. I don't understand why people like to make stupid rumours which clearly aren't true.
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on January 21, 2024, 09:02:52 AMExactly what i was thinking. I don't understand why people like to make stupid rumours which clearly aren't true.
The maximum I will ever decide cascades is two months in advance, as that is the maximum time MoT's are done before their expiry, so when you see anything is happening more than two months in advance it has been made up.
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on January 21, 2024, 08:53:43 AMI'm hearing a lot of rumours that WA's remaining BX61s are moving to PB in the Summer. Is this true as I found it quite hard to believe considering the Hydrogen bus problems.
If you look at recent transfers and the gaps in fleet numbers that should seem enough to make sense of what could be pending in/out.
PB just went from 20 to 12 of them btw.
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on January 21, 2024, 09:02:52 AMExactly what i was thinking. I don't understand why people like to make stupid rumours which clearly aren't true.
"Disinformation"
Either fantasists seeking attention, or mischief-makers making stuff up to see how far it spreads.
Changes to routes. 67A/71A are replaced by new 64/X64 from 25/2/24.
X64 - New Service. Birmingham to Minworth Peddimore via Aston, Erdington, The Fort, Castle Vale.
64 - New Service Nechells to Minworth Peddimore via Erdington, The Fort, Bromford Road (Hodge Hill), Castle Vale, Asda.
71 - Revised timetable. Service 71A withdrawn.
n-ps-01-02-2024.pdf (tfwm.org.uk) (https://www.tfwm.org.uk/media/krdblwvk/n-ps-01-02-2024.pdf)
Timetables and route maps are on TFWM website.
Personally I think it might make sense for the FD trips to be merged into the X64 timetable as well.
Can we also expect TFWM to put up some bus stops on Bromford Road?
Both will go under the park lane bridge in Caslte Vale so we can expect them to be strictly Omnilink as well I guess.
Well, that might trigger some PTSD seeing an X64 in City again! Albeit a completely different one.
Wonder whether this one will be just as 'express'.
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 03, 2024, 12:06:56 AMWonder whether this one will be just as 'express'.
Yes. All stops are served enroute.
Does seem odd route number choice
Why is it an odd number now you will have 64/65/66/67 all in the same area along with the X64 of course
It clearly should've been 25.
Why not 64 and 64A like the 67A,71A I wonder.
They both take an odd route. Going all around the wreckon. They could have made the FD stretch up to the warehouse.
Whoever comes up with these doesn't know how to kill 2 birds with 1 stone as they say.
Quote from: cris 99 on February 03, 2024, 02:13:25 PMWhy is it an odd number now you will have 64/65/66/67 all in the same area along with the X64 of course
It's odd because of the X prefix, which stands for express. The 65 and 67 serve the Lichfield Road and the X buses in that area i.e. the X3/4/5, serve the Aston Expressway. You've now got the X64 taking the same 'non-express' route as the 65 and 67.
68 would have been a better choice.
Quote from: Mike K on February 03, 2024, 02:30:44 PMIt's odd because of the X prefix, which stands for express. The 65 and 67 serve the Lichfield Road and the X buses in that area i.e. the X3/4/5, serve the Aston Expressway. You've now got the X64 taking the same 'non-express' route as the 65 and 67.
68 would have been a better choice.
I was thinking the same, I don't get the x part at all. I'm assuming this is a subsidised service paid for by Peddimore, maybe they chose it.
Quote from: Mike K on February 03, 2024, 02:30:44 PMIt's odd because of the X prefix, which stands for express. The 65 and 67 serve the Lichfield Road and the X buses in that area i.e. the X3/4/5, serve the Aston Expressway. You've now got the X64 taking the same 'non-express' route as the 65 and 67.
68 would have been a better choice.
its probably because its a direct version of the 64, seeing that the 64 serves bromford after the fort, the X64 just goes straight into castle vale (and doesnt stop at the ASDA)
Quote from: Mike K on February 03, 2024, 02:30:44 PMIt's odd because of the X prefix, which stands for express. The 65 and 67 serve the Lichfield Road and the X buses in that area i.e. the X3/4/5, serve the Aston Expressway. You've now got the X64 taking the same 'non-express' route as the 65 and 67.
68 would have been a better choice.
I was thinking that. 68 is available which would've been a better choice. Especially as like the 67 it serves Castle Vale.
Isn't there meant to be a 68 service also launching as well, as per the TfWM N&Ps
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 03, 2024, 06:55:56 PMIsn't there meant to be a 68 service also launching as well, as per the TfWM N&Ps
No, I'm guessing any 'planned' 68 service ended up becoming the 64 and X64.
64 looks like a part replacement of the 25 as it runs hourly and for the same time as the 25 used to
Quote from: Jack D on February 05, 2024, 09:27:20 PM64 looks like a part replacement of the 25 as it runs hourly and for the same time as the 25 used to
But unless I'm confused here the old BC 25 never ran anywhere near this area so it isn't a replacement at all
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 05, 2024, 11:49:35 PMBut unless I'm confused here the old BC 25 never ran anywhere near this area so it isn't a replacement at all
There was the Hodge Hill to Erdington 25. (curtailed from Ward End to Erdington). Which ran under diamond operation for many years. Then laterly solus coaches where it was merged with the 600 until withdrawal in 2023.
Especially if they install stops along Bromford Road it would partially restore that link (a stop by collingbourne avenue which the 25 served and and additional one further up by Radstock Avenue would make sense).
You'd hope this service will be a bit better patronised than the 25 was though.
The solus coaches 25 timetable is actually still on bus times.
One of the main reasons for its downfall was probably there being more frequent services not to far away like the 11, 28 and X12.
Quote from: 2206 on February 05, 2024, 11:53:43 PMThere was the Hodge Hill to Erdington 25. (curtailed Ward End to Erdington). Which ran under diamond operation for many years. Then laterlly solus coaches where it was merged with the 600 until withdrawal in 2023.
Especially if they install stops along Bromford Road, it will restore that link from Hodge Hill in part.
You'd hope this service will be a bit better patronise than the 25 was though.
The solus coachess 25 timetable is actually still on bus times.
Oh Right I knew of two 25's the one in WN and the BC one
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 05, 2024, 11:57:01 PMOh Right I knew of two 25's the one in WN and the BC one
There's also the Kingstanding to Bloxwich one as well.
Quote from: 2206 on February 05, 2024, 11:57:39 PMThere's also the Kingstanding to Bloxwich one as well.
Oh yeah of course it runs around Blakenall I think
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on February 06, 2024, 10:50:40 AMOh yeah of course it runs around Blakenall I think
Dodging the missiles from Slacky Lane canal bridge on the way!
Just seen 7512 in West Bromwich missing both front light covers, I'm assuming heading down to West Brom for either MOT or repairs.
Why doesn't this new 64 run to city and create an all day connection from Birmingham to the fort, seems odd to terminate at Nechells
Quote from: Jack D on February 07, 2024, 04:08:48 PMWhy doesn't this new 64 run to city and create an all day connection from Birmingham to the fort, seems odd to terminate at Nechells
Because it would need an extra bus to run, which doubles the operating costs.
These services are funded by Amazon, for the purpose of getting workers to and from the Peddimore site.
This comment on my Facebook page explains things better than I can:
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I also understand the 67a is just being recalled the 68 , hence the invention of 64, makes sense now
Quote from: Stu on February 07, 2024, 07:39:22 PMBecause it would need an extra bus to run, which doubles the operating costs.
These services are funded by Amazon, for the purpose of getting workers to and from the Peddimore site.
This comment on my Facebook page explains things better than I can:
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The service needs to have alot of advertisement behind it then
Quote from: Stu on February 03, 2024, 07:01:56 PMNo, I'm guessing any 'planned' 68 service ended up becoming the 64 and X64.
The 67A is not withdrawn it's renumbered 68, just click the 'From 25th Feb 2024' tab to download the timetable.
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/services-timetables/67a-birmingham-peddimore-minworth
Quote from: Steve3229vp on February 11, 2024, 12:24:38 PMThe 67A is not withdrawn it's renumbered 68, just click the 'From 25th Feb 2024' tab to download the timetable.
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/services-timetables/67a-birmingham-peddimore-minworth
And rerouted to run along the Kingsbury Road. Instead of Tyburn Road/Chester Road routing past Pype Hayes.
Though it does make you wonder what the point of the "express" X64 all the way to the City is when it goes round the wrekin. And the non X route 68 goes via a much direct route.
Quote from: 2206 on February 11, 2024, 02:38:13 PMAnd rerouted to run along the Kingsbury Road. Instead of Tyburn Road/Chester Road routing past Pype Hayes.
Though it does make you wonder what the point of the "express" X64 all the way to the City is when it goes round the wrekin. And the non X route 68 goes via a much direct route.
See my earlier reply, the "point" is to increase the recruitment coverage area by linking with other services at key interchange points.
Quote from: Stu on February 11, 2024, 03:15:42 PMSee my earlier reply, the "point" is to increase the recruitment coverage area by linking with other services at key interchange points.
The X64 and 68 follow the same route from City to J6. For anyone travelling from City or Aston to Peddimore the 68 should be quicker than the X64, was my point.
X64/68 are now on bustimes with timetables and map
Some 64/X64 flags have been updated, different move from Tfwm changing before a service change 😂
Quote from: Jack D on February 20, 2024, 09:59:26 PMSome 64/X64 flags have been updated, different move from Tfwm changing before a service change 😂
I've seen NX have said they will be "working with TFWM to establish permanent stopping locations on the Bromford Road in the coming weeks".
Wonder if they will be able to put up temporary stops for now, as the service starts Sunday.
Quote from: 2206 on February 20, 2024, 10:35:49 PMI've seen NX have said they will be "working with TFWM to establish permanent stopping locations on the Bromford Road in the coming weeks".
Wonder if they will be able to put up temporary stops for now, as the service starts Sunday.
Where was this said?
Quote from: Jack D on February 21, 2024, 09:09:28 PMWhere was this said?
https://x.com/LeanLeft_Wright/status/1760040663964418466
Ah yes, the Firs estate, who totally used to use the buses that went around there that went to Asda and linked to other areas ages ago.
They have a service that literally leaves their estate and Bromford and then hightails it to the city centre.
I looked at his X, he has a very apt username.
I remember the trouble the 98 used to have getting around the Shawsdale Road/Riddfield Road area.
Clocked E191 on charge in the workshop this afternoon; I make it five EVs on site now (including Coventry's E057!) :laugh:
Quote from: CL on February 22, 2024, 08:02:39 PMClocked E191 on charge in the workshop this afternoon; I make it five EVs on site now (including Coventry's E057!) :laugh:
No, I swapped E191 for E170, 191 wouldn't charge at BC and 170 needs livery application which is being done tomorrow
64 was carrying air when I saw it earlier, any news on how it worked today?
Nice to see 2104 on loan, mainly used on the FD service and also a short stint on the 28. I hope PB gets some if these in the future to replace those horrible Scanias
Anyone know how the 64/X64 have been getting on? Have they been busy?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on February 27, 2024, 08:25:59 AMNice to see 2104 on loan, mainly used on the FD service and also a short stint on the 28. I hope PB gets some if these in the future to replace those horrible Scanias
Have PB operated any of the newer single deck Volvos before in number? I have no idea if they have......
Quote from: markcf83 on March 10, 2024, 05:04:27 PMHave PB operated any of the newer single deck Volvos before in number? I have no idea if they have......
No, to the best of my knowledge, PB, WB and YW are the only garages never to have had these. (And BY when it was open)
That may change in the near future though...
Quote from: Stu on March 10, 2024, 05:14:50 PMNo, to the best of my knowledge, PB, WB and YW are the only garages never to have had these. (And BY when it was open)
That may change in the near future though...
I hope so, I much prefer the Volvo's (from a passengers point of view).
What is more interesting is what will happen to the Scania double deckers ?
Quote from: Steve3229vp on March 10, 2024, 05:49:37 PMWhat is more interesting is what will happen to the Scania double deckers ?
At 16 years old, they'll probably be scrapped, unless NX gets some kind of offer for them. I doubt they'd be transferred elsewhere.
QuoteNo, to the best of my knowledge, PB, WB and YW are the only garages never to have had these. (And BY when it was open)
That may change in the near future though...
Yardley woods never had them, it was Acocks green who had them before
Quote from: BBS on March 10, 2024, 06:47:32 PMYardley woods never had them, it was Acocks green who had them before
Have a read of what I posted again :rolleyes:
Quote from: Stu on March 10, 2024, 05:14:50 PMNo, to the best of my knowledge, PB, WB and YW are the only garages never to have had these. (And BY when it was open)
That may change in the near future though...
Perry Barr have had them on loan a couple times in 2017. 2134 and 2148 were the ones from my remembrance.
They would be a suitable replacement for the Scania's when there time is up at PB.
Quote from: Stu on March 10, 2024, 05:58:12 PMAt 16 years old, they'll probably be scrapped, unless NX gets some kind of offer for them. I doubt they'd be transferred elsewhere.
Or being Euro6 could they see out their days at Walsall as cover for hydrogens?
Quote from: cardew on March 10, 2024, 08:12:17 PMOr being Euro6 could they see out their days at Walsall as cover for hydrogens?
Tony has previously stated that PB are having all their double-deck fleet replaced with new electrics, so there will be some Platinums and E400s that will be made use of. Probably unlikely that 5 vehicles of a type no other garage has operated would be deployed elsewhere.
It would depend on how long this hydrogen refuelling issue goes on for really.
Quote from: Stu on March 10, 2024, 08:26:06 PMTony has previously stated that PB are having all their double-deck fleet replaced with new electrics, so there will be some Platinums and E400s that will be made use of. Probably unlikely that 5 vehicles of a type no other garage has operated would be deployed elsewhere.
It would depend on how long this hydrogen refuelling issue goes on for really.
It does seem unlikely but it depends on how different they are from a single decker Omnilink for maintenance and driver training perspective. Sadly while there is a single point of failure (Tyseley) I can see re-fuelling issues as being an on-going possibility.
Quote from: cardew on March 10, 2024, 08:32:30 PMIt does seem unlikely but it depends on how different they are from a single decker Omnilink for maintenance and driver training perspective. Sadly while there is a single point of failure (Tyseley) I can see re-fuelling issues as being an on-going possibility.
If there simmilar to an Omnilink, WA and WB can use them as WA probably won't be getting any Electrics for a while yet and they would help with WA's DD Shortage. WB probably wouldn't need them but maybe as back up to there Main fleet or to make sure it's DD Routes such as the 74, 80, 82/87, 5 and 12/12A/13/13A are DD and don't get SD's which as some WB Drivers have stated get absolutely Rammed
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on March 11, 2024, 10:20:30 AMIf there simmilar to an Omnilink, WA and WB can use them as WA probably won't be getting any Electrics for a while yet and they would help with WA's DD Shortage. WB probably wouldn't need them but maybe as back up to there Main fleet or to make sure it's DD Routes such as the 74, 80, 82/87, 5 and 12/12A/13/13A are DD and don't get SD's which as some WB Drivers have stated get absolutely Rammed
They are nothing like an Omnilink
Quote from: Tony on March 11, 2024, 03:42:45 PMThey are nothing like an Omnilink
Fair enough So it isn't like the E200 and E400
Quote from: Tony on March 11, 2024, 03:42:45 PMThey are nothing like an Omnilink
I can't any other garage wanting them
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on March 11, 2024, 04:03:25 PMFair enough So it isn't like the E200 and E400
No, all different manufacturers buses are different, that's the whole point.
Quote from: Tony on March 11, 2024, 05:41:36 PMNo, all different manufacturers buses are different, that's the whole point.
I know that but the E200 and E400 I heard are basically the same so if a Driver can drive the E200 they can drive the E400 so I thought the Omnilink would be the same as the Omnicity
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on March 11, 2024, 06:26:16 PMI know that but the E200 and E400 I heard are basically the same so if a Driver can drive the E200 they can drive the E400 so I thought the Omnilink would be the same as the Omnicity
Engineering is as important as drivers though, and not only do engineers need training on where things are on them the stores also needs to stock all the extra parts. The Omnicity does need separate driver training which is also very expensive.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on March 11, 2024, 04:24:16 PMI can't any other garage wanting them
I'd guess these might be the last diesel double deckers to run from PB. Withdrawn late this year or early next year maybe.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on March 11, 2024, 06:26:16 PMI know that but the E200 and E400 I heard are basically the same so if a Driver can drive the E200 they can drive the E400 so I thought the Omnilink would be the same as the Omnicity
OmniLink and OmniCity are different buses. There may be some physical similarities in the body shell design, but that's about it.
OmniCity is built on Scania's N-series chassis, while the OmniLink is built on the K-series.
Quote from: Stu on March 11, 2024, 06:54:58 PMOmniLink and OmniCity are different buses. There may be some physical similarities in the body shell design, but that's about it.
OmniCity is built on Scania's N-series chassis, while the OmniLink is built on the K-series.
Oh right I didn't know that
Looks like NXWM have been awarded the 71 contract on Sundays
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/media/d1ioxzsa/n-ps-28-03-24.pdf
Quote from: Stu on March 29, 2024, 11:29:03 AMLooks like NXWM have been awarded the 71 contract on Sundays
Rewarded... or allocated lol.
I do wonder how many different companies have ran that Sunday contract. Used to see all manner of different buses up here until they changed the route and removed the bus from the estate.
Amazon service 64:
I'm wondering how this and the peak route X64 (strange route number) are doing as they have been running a few months now. I know Amazon have funded these services but why haven't NX advertised these routes more to gain extra passengers because no one is going to get on it if they don't know what it is.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on April 04, 2024, 03:25:54 PMAmazon service 64:
I'm wondering how this and the peak route X64 (strange route number) are doing as they have been running a few months now. I know Amazon have funded these services but why haven't NX advertised these routes more to gain extra passengers because no one is going to get on it if they don't know what it is.
It would be up to Amazon to promote these services to their workforce, after all that is who these services are aimed at, not so much the 'general public' who are able to make use of them.
Imagine a situation where the buses are so busy with 'other passengers' that Amazon workers are unable to get on them! Amazon would be rightly pissed!
Quote from: Stu on April 04, 2024, 07:30:26 PMIt would be up to Amazon to promote these services to their workforce, after all that is who these services are aimed at, not so much the 'general public' who are able to make use of them.
Imagine a situation where the buses are so busy with 'other passengers' that Amazon workers are unable to get on them! Amazon would be rightly pissed!
I think it was said it was being funded by Amazon through section 106 funding.
I doubt that is what is actually happening currently, but surely that busy bus would be great for the service, securing its long term future as well. Makes more sense for people to be using the service and the community benefiting, than it driving round empty burning fuel all day. And if that was ever to be the case a better frequency throughout the day and/or higher capacity vehicles could surely be looked into to match the demand.
Saw 4801 today. God it looks a mess
I've been reading Castle vale residents have concerns around the new 67 terminus , blocking visibility near the school. Think alternatives arrangements might be on the cards.