Anything to do with Acocks Green Garage post here :)
Could this garage take on any extra work. I would much prefer them to run 94. Not sure why but this garage seems to have much better standards than a lot of the others.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 25, 2013, 05:01:54 PM
Could this garage take on any extra work. I would much prefer them to run 94. Not sure why but this garage seems to have much better standards than a lot of the others.
AG's allocation is currently 143 buses, I'm sure that they have had a higher allocation than that prior to the Solihull Review, so should have some spare capacity?
Quote from: Winston on July 25, 2013, 05:27:54 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 25, 2013, 05:01:54 PM
Could this garage take on any extra work. I would much prefer them to run 94. Not sure why but this garage seems to have much better standards than a lot of the others.
AG's allocation is currently 143 buses, I'm sure that they have had a higher allocation than that prior to the Solihull Review, so should have some spare capacity?
I think prior to the Solihull and East Bham / North Solihull reviews, the allocation was probably not much different. Since these reviews, while many services have been withdrawn, (30, 36, 38, 41, 42, S2, S3 etc), other services such as the 11A/C, 37 and 71 have had frequency increases, and routes such as the 31, 72 and 73 have been extended, plus the transfer in of the 966 service, which have 'soaked' up the spare buses that would have been surplus.
I'm sure it's been stated elsewhere that most garages are currently at or near full capacity, and I'm pretty sure AG probably doesn't have a lot of spare capacity. Though I'm happy to be corrected!
Quote from: Stu on July 25, 2013, 06:02:29 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 25, 2013, 05:27:54 PM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 25, 2013, 05:01:54 PM
Could this garage take on any extra work. I would much prefer them to run 94. Not sure why but this garage seems to have much better standards than a lot of the others.
AG's allocation is currently 143 buses, I'm sure that they have had a higher allocation than that prior to the Solihull Review, so should have some spare capacity?
I think prior to the Solihull and East Bham / North Solihull reviews, the allocation was probably not much different. Since these reviews, while many services have been withdrawn, (30, 36, 38, 41, 42, S2, S3 etc), other services such as the 11A/C, 37 and 71 have had frequency increases, and routes such as the 31, 72 and 73 have been extended, plus the transfer in of the 966 service, which have 'soaked' up the spare buses that would have been surplus.
I'm sure it's been stated elsewhere that most garages are currently at or near full capacity, and I'm pretty sure AG probably doesn't have a lot of spare capacity. Though I'm happy to be corrected!
Stu,
I seem to remember that AG once had an allocation of circa 155 - 160?
Quote from: Stu on July 25, 2013, 06:02:29 PM
I'm sure it's been stated elsewhere that most garages are currently at or near full capacity, and I'm pretty sure AG probably doesn't have a lot of spare capacity. Though I'm happy to be corrected!
Surely PB have a bit of room left, with the 934 moving out?
Quote from: Kevin on July 25, 2013, 09:12:41 PM
Quote from: Stu on July 25, 2013, 06:02:29 PM
I'm sure it's been stated elsewhere that most garages are currently at or near full capacity, and I'm pretty sure AG probably doesn't have a lot of spare capacity. Though I'm happy to be corrected!
Surely PB have a bit of room left, with the 934 moving out?
PB didn't even have enough room to take delivery of the E400's, they had to be swapped on a one for one basis. The 934 moving out has only resulted in the five E400's moving out
Wouldn't mind seeing some investment on my local route (966). Not a fan of the presidents, wouldn't mind seeing some enviros or even tridents running the route, but that would mean AG gaining a new vehicle type. Do BC still run a early morning run on the 966?
Quote from: 966 on July 25, 2013, 11:26:45 PM
Wouldn't mind seeing some investment on my local route (966). Not a fan of the presidents, wouldn't mind seeing some enviros or even tridents running the route, but that would mean AG gaining a new vehicle type. Do BC still run a early morning run on the 966?
I think BC still do operate an early morning journey which i think someone on here said goes onto a 97 so a 97 branded trident usually runs it.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 26, 2013, 09:18:04 AM
Quote from: 966 on July 25, 2013, 11:26:45 PM
Wouldn't mind seeing some investment on my local route (966). Not a fan of the presidents, wouldn't mind seeing some enviros or even tridents running the route, but that would mean AG gaining a new vehicle type. Do BC still run a early morning run on the 966?
I think BC still do operate an early morning journey which i think someone on here said goes onto a 97 so a 97 branded trident usually runs it.
Yes it runs a 966 Journey to Solihull and arrives into Solihull between 8-8:30am then runs empty to Chelmsley Wood then goes onto the 97 :)
Thanks for confirming that rob :) I do remember a few weeks back somebody on here reported a 97 branded trident on the 966.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 26, 2013, 06:27:51 PM
I do remember a few weeks back somebody on here reported a 97 branded trident on the 966.
That was me ;) ;D ;D. But I didn't know that BC ran one journey 8)
Back on topic, while travelling home this evening, I spotted an unusually large number of 37 short workings; the 37 I got on, was being closely followed by a 37E to Olton Station, while we passed in the opposite direction approx 4 37Es showing 'Camp Hill Island'.
Bad weather been causing delays I suspect?
Quote from: Stu on July 29, 2013, 07:46:30 PM
Back on topic, while travelling home this evening, I spotted an unusually large number of 37 short workings; the 37 I got on, was being closely followed by a 37E to Olton Station, while we passed in the opposite direction approx 4 37Es showing 'Camp Hill Island'.
Bad weather been causing delays I suspect?
Most likely. I saw a crazy amount of 97P's going down Bosworth Drive in packs together earlier today too. I think that might be because of Chelmsley Road's closure though, as all the traffic is diverted along Bosworth Drive. Weird seeing 94's going down there too.
September 1st changes; Service 1 will no longer serve the Town Hall at all:
http://networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/01September13.aspx
I hope it will continue to serve Broad Street / Sheepcote St, as I frequently use this service on Sundays to connect with the 120 if I'm visiting my parents in Langley.
I imagine the curtailing of daytime journeys might see the PVR reduced by 1, unless the changes are to improve the reliability. There's generally no issues at the times I use the 1, but in the evening the timetable is a bit tight when just 2 buses are used, I can't speak for journeys at other times.
Quote from: Stu on August 05, 2013, 07:37:46 PM
September 1st changes; Service 1 will no longer serve the Town Hall at all:
http://networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/01September13.aspx
I hope it will continue to serve Broad Street / Sheepcote St, as I frequently use this service on Sundays to connect with the 120 if I'm visiting my parents in Langley.
I imagine the curtailing of daytime journeys might see the PVR reduced by 1, unless the changes are to improve the reliability. There's generally no issues at the times I use the 1, but in the evening the timetable is a bit tight when just 2 buses are used, I can't speak for journeys at other times.
Might explain the loss of 4115 ;)
Its a reduction of one bus from AG1, two at most I think
7020 out on 37s today
New timetable for the 1 now available to download:
http://nxbus.co.uk/files/NXWestMids/current_timetables/B001_01Sep13.pdf
As expected, all off-peak journeys will terminate at Broad Street (Sheepcote Street) as per the current evening service. Is it also my imagination, or is the daytime frequency being reduced to every 15 minutes? Sure it was every 12 minutes previously.
Quote from: Stu on August 22, 2013, 07:28:45 PM
Is it also my imagination, or is the daytime frequency being reduced to every 15 minutes? Sure it was every 12 minutes previously.
No, the current daytime frequency is every 15 minutes :):
http://jp.networkwestmidlands.com/centro/XSLT_TTB_REQUEST?language=en&hideBannerInfo=1&command=direct&line=33001&net=cen&project=y11&sup=B&lineVer=1&itdLPxx_direction=H&itdLPxx_line=33001&itdLPxx_net=cen&itdLPxx_project=y11&itdLPxx_sup=B&itdLPxx_lineVer=1&outputFormat=0&itdLPxx_debug=
Thanks, I don't use the 1 during the week, I do recall seeing an update about the daytime frequency being reduced some time back, it did used to be a 12 minute frequency before.
The only time I really use the 1 is on a Sunday when I go to visit my parents; I change at the Sheepcote Street stop for the 120 (and vice-versa), so looks like I won't be affected anyway!
Shame really, another good route slowly being reduced in frequency and getting cut short (personal opinion)
I don't see why the 1 isn't just fully extended to Colmore Row, surely it would be a success
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 25, 2013, 11:17:08 PM
I don't see why the 1 isn't just fully extended to Colmore Row, surely it would be a success
Problem is then you wouldn't be able to use Presidents on It.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 26, 2013, 10:13:33 AM
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 25, 2013, 11:17:08 PM
I don't see why the 1 isn't just fully extended to Colmore Row, surely it would be a success
Problem is then you wouldn't be able to use Presidents on It.
Plus it would require more buses and drivers, as well as timetable amendments to account for heavy traffic at peak times, which would no doubt increase the overall running costs of the route. I would imagine NX have been monitoring the passenger loadings along the whole route before making the decision to curtail it.
As it is, it still remains a very useful route for people across South Birmingham, especially those like myself who use it to link to Harborne or Hagley Road services, without the hassle of travelling into the city centre.
Don't know when this changed, but anyone noticed they've changed the destination displays for the 31?
Instead of showing 'Solihull Town' on the front, it just shows 'Solihull'.
Quote from: Stu on August 26, 2013, 10:35:01 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 26, 2013, 10:13:33 AM
Quote from: Sh4166 on August 25, 2013, 11:17:08 PM
I don't see why the 1 isn't just fully extended to Colmore Row, surely it would be a success
Problem is then you wouldn't be able to use Presidents on It.
Plus it would require more buses and drivers, as well as timetable amendments to account for heavy traffic at peak times, which would no doubt increase the overall running costs of the route. I would imagine NX have been monitoring the passenger loadings along the whole route before making the decision to curtail it.
As it is, it still remains a very useful route for people across South Birmingham, especially those like myself who use it to link to Harborne or Hagley Road services, without the hassle of travelling into the city centre.
It was also extended to Corporation Street for a couple of years but didn't do any good and was soon chopped back. For the first 60 years it ran it only was Five Ways to Acocks Green, so even todays route is longer than the tradidtional route
Quote from: Stu on September 17, 2013, 07:23:25 PM
Don't know when this changed, but anyone noticed they've changed the destination displays for the 31?
Instead of showing 'Solihull Town' on the front, it just shows 'Solihull'.
It's the same with the 58 & 73 they also just display 'Solihull' :)
Quote from: Rob4367 on September 17, 2013, 08:00:55 PM
Quote from: Stu on September 17, 2013, 07:23:25 PM
Don't know when this changed, but anyone noticed they've changed the destination displays for the 31?
Instead of showing 'Solihull Town' on the front, it just shows 'Solihull'.
It's the same with the 73 it also just displays 'Solihull' :)
Thanks Rob, don't see the 73 any more since I stopped working in Solihull. It just looks strange now, they could have used a less-condensed font, as it just looks squashed in the middle now!
Quote from: Rob4367 on September 17, 2013, 08:00:55 PM
Quote from: Stu on September 17, 2013, 07:23:25 PM
Don't know when this changed, but anyone noticed they've changed the destination displays for the 31?
Instead of showing 'Solihull Town' on the front, it just shows 'Solihull'.
It's the same with the 58 & 73 they also just display 'Solihull' :)
Asking a silly question probably but does they display
Page 1; 58 SOLIHULL
Page 2; 58 Solihull Town
Via Small Heath
I don't know about the 58 or 73, but I saw today that the 31 now shows
Page 1:
Solihull
Town Centre
Page 2:
Solihull
via Sparkhill
then via Acocks Green, via Gospel Oak etc, doesn't show the 'big' Solihull anymore.
37 branding:
I have observed over the past few days, that on the 37 branded Omnilinks, they've all had the 'Now More Buses' part removed.
While this is probably factually accurate now (as there are still the same number of buses since the frequency increase that prompted the application of the branding), I wonder if an opportunity might be taken to replace that section of the branding with something more useful, like say a list of the main areas served instead?
(eg:
City Centre
Birmingham Coach Station
Sparkbrook
Tyseley
Acocks Green
Olton Rail Station
Solihull Town Centre & Station)
It's a good opportunity to take the rest of the lettering off the windows. Although Tyseley isn't Venice I still prefer looking out of the window rather than staring at the back of a huge '37'.
Spotted just now (02:30) on me way home from a nights drinking in town (via taxi, because Birmingham still hasn't joined the 21st century by having night buses), a 37 branded Omnilink coming out of Phillips street onto Newtown Row, lights off so presumably not a staff bus... Anyone?
I was just looking at the 5 branding on the West Brom Presidents. Will the 1 ever regain any branding on the newly refurbished Presidents?
Quote from: John on October 01, 2013, 09:55:58 PM
I was just looking at the 5 branding on the West Brom Presidents. Will the 1 ever regain any branding on the newly refurbished Presidents?
I hope its pink if they do :) like the old 1 branding
How many running boards are there on the 11's? I just rode running board 11A/69 which entered service at Bearwood at 9:40
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 05, 2013, 10:48:42 AM
How many running boards are there on the 11's? I just rode running board 11A/69 which entered service at Bearwood at 9:40
Most likely that'll be bus 19, as 11C is 11C/19 and 11A is 11A/69?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 05, 2013, 06:25:01 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 05, 2013, 10:48:42 AM
How many running boards are there on the 11's? I just rode running board 11A/69 which entered service at Bearwood at 9:40
Most likely that'll be bus 19, as 11C is 11C/19 and 11A is 11A/69?
That was my theory, as I know even the Outer Circle doesn't have 60+ buses each way, just checking
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 05, 2013, 09:06:09 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 05, 2013, 06:25:01 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 05, 2013, 10:48:42 AM
How many running boards are there on the 11's? I just rode running board 11A/69 which entered service at Bearwood at 9:40
Most likely that'll be bus 19, as 11C is 11C/19 and 11A is 11A/69?
That was my theory, as I know even the Outer Circle doesn't have 60+ buses each way, just checking
No issues. Just remember that the chances of the high prefix running board numbers start with 51 onwards, on rotas with numerous routes. Additionally; the 58 starts with 58/41.
I think the PVR is 30-odd on the 11? Which is worked out by Frequency / length of route = PVR? Its too long in the tooth to be doing algebra at half 9 ..
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 05, 2013, 09:17:20 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 05, 2013, 09:06:09 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 05, 2013, 06:25:01 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 05, 2013, 10:48:42 AM
How many running boards are there on the 11's? I just rode running board 11A/69 which entered service at Bearwood at 9:40
Most likely that'll be bus 19, as 11C is 11C/19 and 11A is 11A/69?
That was my theory, as I know even the Outer Circle doesn't have 60+ buses each way, just checking
No issues. Just remember that the chances of the high prefix running board numbers start with 51 onwards, on rotas with numerous routes. Additionally; the 58 starts with 58/41.
I think the PVR is 30-odd on the 11? Which is worked out by Frequency / length of route = PVR? Its too long in the tooth to be doing algebra at half 9 ..
LS someone has posted on here before that the Pvr is in the forties, 42 or 44 rings a bell
Quote from: Winston on October 05, 2013, 09:20:12 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 05, 2013, 09:17:20 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 05, 2013, 09:06:09 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 05, 2013, 06:25:01 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 05, 2013, 10:48:42 AM
How many running boards are there on the 11's? I just rode running board 11A/69 which entered service at Bearwood at 9:40
Most likely that'll be bus 19, as 11C is 11C/19 and 11A is 11A/69?
That was my theory, as I know even the Outer Circle doesn't have 60+ buses each way, just checking
No issues. Just remember that the chances of the high prefix running board numbers start with 51 onwards, on rotas with numerous routes. Additionally; the 58 starts with 58/41.
I think the PVR is 30-odd on the 11? Which is worked out by Frequency / length of route = PVR? Its too long in the tooth to be doing algebra at half 9 ..
LS someone has posted on here before that the Pvr is in the forties, 42 or 44 rings a bell
Well there you go then ;)
And that's a serious volume of buses if it is in the forties.
Yes, 42 sounds about right; 21 buses in each direction.
At peak-times, the circle takes approx 2hrs 45mins to complete (no layover time), 8 minute frequency.
The PVR has decreased a bit. I certainly remember it being 46 at one time.
I wonder what it was during BCT days and I to WMPTE. Of course then the buses were quite a bit smaller when ran by 'standards'
Quote from: Gareth on October 06, 2013, 06:29:53 PM
The PVR has decreased a bit. I certainly remember it being 46 at one time.
I wonder what it was during BCT days and I to WMPTE. Of course then the buses were quite a bit smaller when ran by 'standards'
Also running time was less. When I drove it in the 1980s it was 2 hours late night and Sundays. 2hrs 12 minutes off-peak and up to 2 hours 20 min peak. It is quite a bit more now
It was 44 a few years ago, then 42. Not sure on what it's like within the past 2 years though.
I have been asked to drive at AG next Tuesday, so I have taken a duty on the 966. This will be a new record for me as it will be the first route I have driven from four different garage, and I missed one!
I have driven it from Lea Hall, Walsall, Perry Barr already, Hockley is the one I missed.
I drove 966 at Walsall and hockley
Quote from: karl724223 on October 11, 2013, 09:10:17 PM
I drove 966 at Walsall and hockley
Does the 966 go anywhere near Perry Barr, Hockley or even Walsall for that matter??
Quote from: gc802002 on October 11, 2013, 10:40:54 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on October 11, 2013, 09:10:17 PM
I drove 966 at Walsall and hockley
Does the 966 go anywhere near Perry Barr, Hockley or even Walsall for that matter??
I think Walsall ran the route, when it was Walsall - Airport
Erdington/Sutton is not too far from Perry Barr (Perry Barr I think ran the route when it was Sutton - Solihull, and also when it was cut to Erdington)
Quote from: John on October 11, 2013, 10:48:16 PM
Quote from: gc802002 on October 11, 2013, 10:40:54 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on October 11, 2013, 09:10:17 PM
I drove 966 at Walsall and hockley
Does the 966 go anywhere near Perry Barr, Hockley or even Walsall for that matter??
I think Walsall ran the route, when it was Walsall - Airport
Erdington/Sutton is not too far from Perry Barr (Perry Barr I think ran the route when it was Sutton - Solihull, and also when it was cut to Erdington)
Also the route used to start from Wolverhampton as a limited stop between Wol - Walsall
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 12, 2013, 12:04:52 AM
Quote from: John on October 11, 2013, 10:48:16 PM
Quote from: gc802002 on October 11, 2013, 10:40:54 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on October 11, 2013, 09:10:17 PM
I drove 966 at Walsall and hockley
Does the 966 go anywhere near Perry Barr, Hockley or even Walsall for that matter??
I think Walsall ran the route, when it was Walsall - Airport
Erdington/Sutton is not too far from Perry Barr (Perry Barr I think ran the route when it was Sutton - Solihull, and also when it was cut to Erdington)
Also the route used to start from Wolverhampton as a limited stop between Wol - Walsall
The original route was Wolverhampton to Airport via Walsall, Sutton Coldfield & Erdington Jointly run by Lea Hall and Walsall. I drove that full route from Lea Hall with a relief point at Chelmsley Wood.
It was thencut short at Walsall and Lea Hall's work work went to Hockley with a relief point at Erdington. It then became solely a Walsall operated route. When it was extended to Solihull, but cut short at Erdington the old 366 (now 6) route was reinstated to cover the Walsall-Sutton section it transferred to Perry Barr garage, then later moved to Acocks Green garage
Lea hall did the 966 a 2nd time
May 2006 to 24 July 2010 when Lea Hall closed
Does the 966 interwork with anything on Sundays? It arrives at Solihull Station at xx:42 and departs at xx:14?
Quote from: Sh4166 on October 13, 2013, 05:26:52 PM
Does the 966 interwork with anything on Sundays? It arrives at Solihull Station at xx:42 and departs at xx:14?
Used to interwork with he S1 when they ran it on Sundays, now it just runs back to garage, I think
Quote from: Tony on October 12, 2013, 08:51:07 AM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 12, 2013, 12:04:52 AM
Quote from: John on October 11, 2013, 10:48:16 PM
Quote from: gc802002 on October 11, 2013, 10:40:54 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on October 11, 2013, 09:10:17 PM
I drove 966 at Walsall and hockley
Does the 966 go anywhere near Perry Barr, Hockley or even Walsall for that matter??
I think Walsall ran the route, when it was Walsall - Airport
Erdington/Sutton is not too far from Perry Barr (Perry Barr I think ran the route when it was Sutton - Solihull, and also when it was cut to Erdington)
Also the route used to start from Wolverhampton as a limited stop between Wol - Walsall
The original route was Wolverhampton to Airport via Walsall, Sutton Coldfield & Erdington Jointly run by Lea Hall and Walsall. I drove that full route from Lea Hall with a relief point at Chelmsley Wood.
It was thencut short at Walsall and Lea Hall's work work went to Hockley with a relief point at Erdington. It then became solely a Walsall operated route. When it was extended to Solihull, but cut short at Erdington the old 366 (now 6) route was reinstated to cover the Walsall-Sutton section it transferred to Perry Barr garage, then later moved to Acocks Green garage
How long did a round trip used to take?? must have been a long route
Quote from: vinh1000 on October 13, 2013, 07:51:02 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 12, 2013, 08:51:07 AM
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 12, 2013, 12:04:52 AM
Quote from: John on October 11, 2013, 10:48:16 PM
Quote from: gc802002 on October 11, 2013, 10:40:54 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on October 11, 2013, 09:10:17 PM
I drove 966 at Walsall and hockley
Does the 966 go anywhere near Perry Barr, Hockley or even Walsall for that matter??
I think Walsall ran the route, when it was Walsall - Airport
Erdington/Sutton is not too far from Perry Barr (Perry Barr I think ran the route when it was Sutton - Solihull, and also when it was cut to Erdington)
Also the route used to start from Wolverhampton as a limited stop between Wol - Walsall
The original route was Wolverhampton to Airport via Walsall, Sutton Coldfield & Erdington Jointly run by Lea Hall and Walsall. I drove that full route from Lea Hall with a relief point at Chelmsley Wood.
It was thencut short at Walsall and Lea Hall's work work went to Hockley with a relief point at Erdington. It then became solely a Walsall operated route. When it was extended to Solihull, but cut short at Erdington the old 366 (now 6) route was reinstated to cover the Walsall-Sutton section it transferred to Perry Barr garage, then later moved to Acocks Green garage
How long did a round trip used to take?? must have been a long route
Not that bad remember when it went to Wolverhampton it was non-stop Wolverhampton-Willenhall-Walsall so only took 20 minutes then all stops to Sutton Coldfield, non stop to Yenton, non stop to Erdington. All stops to Chester Road M6 motorway bridge and non-stop to Chelmsley Wood town centre via the Collector Road.
In the days when Limited Stop meant Limited Stop. Not like these modern day 9xx series routes.
Just done my first driving duty at AG for a few years. How nice to drive quality vehicles like geminis again. No rattles or squeaks on 9 year old buses. No silly having to hit the brake pedal before pulling away. Nice fast doors. Just sheer quality compared to Tridents
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2013, 07:57:14 PM
Just done my first driving duty at AG for a few years. How nice to drive quality vehicles like geminis again. No rattles or squeaks on 9 year old buses. No silly having to hit the brake pedal before pulling away. Nice fast doors. Just sheer quality compared to Tridents
I hope AG will remain a Trident-free zone for years to come! ;)
Have to agree; The tridents are pretty useless compared to the Geminis. Tridents just rattle all the time and have next to no suspension, whilst the geminis are well built and have excellen suspension.
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2013, 07:57:14 PM
Just done my first driving duty at AG for a few years. How nice to drive quality vehicles like geminis again. No rattles or squeaks on 9 year old buses. No silly having to hit the brake pedal before pulling away. Nice fast doors. Just sheer quality compared to Tridents
Such a shame that NXWM have overlooked Volvo / Wright for double deckers for the last few years, despite the B9TL being available with a full length body (as per the Lothian examples).
Quote from: Mike K on October 15, 2013, 09:17:31 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2013, 07:57:14 PM
Just done my first driving duty at AG for a few years. How nice to drive quality vehicles like geminis again. No rattles or squeaks on 9 year old buses. No silly having to hit the brake pedal before pulling away. Nice fast doors. Just sheer quality compared to Tridents
Such a shame that NXWM have overlooked Volvo / Wright for double deckers for the last few years, despite the B9TL being available with a full length body (as per the Lothian examples).
Maybe that might change now the new standard Euro 6 Volvo double decker will be the B5TL with a smaller more fuel efficient engine?
Possibly so, a pity that the new Gemini 3 body on the B5TL has those ugly narrow upper deck windows. I hadn't realised that the demonstrator was now in service in London with Go Ahead.
But regardless I'd like to see some dual sourcing of deckers again in the West Midlands. Hard to imagine E400s at AG and WB.
Quote from: Mike K on October 15, 2013, 10:07:48 PM
I hadn't realised that the demonstrator was now in service in London with Go Ahead.
It is registered 'BF63 HFE'. Plenty of pictures now on Flickr. I don't mind the upper deck windows, but I do think the back looks hideous. Might be better with the black parts around the rear windows were red to match the paintwork
Quote from: Mike K on October 15, 2013, 10:07:48 PM
Possibly so, a pity that the new Gemini 3 body on the B5TL has those ugly narrow upper deck windows. I hadn't realised that the demonstrator was now in service in London with Go Ahead.
But regardless I'd like to see some dual sourcing of deckers again in the West Midlands. Hard to imagine E400s at AG and WB.
Is the Go-Ahead London demo the one that visited NXWM BC depot? I agree the Wright upper deck looks as though the roof of another type of double decker has been grafted on.
Dual sourcing would be nice to add some variety, but the Volvo based models at AG & WB garages are completely different in terms of chassis & Wright bodywork compared with anything else that they currently run so new E400's wouldn't be a major problem. I'll tell you what I find really hard to image, that's a new double decker at WB :P
Quote from: Winston on October 15, 2013, 10:20:46 PM
Quote from: Mike K on October 15, 2013, 10:07:48 PM
Possibly so, a pity that the new Gemini 3 body on the B5TL has those ugly narrow upper deck windows. I hadn't realised that the demonstrator was now in service in London with Go Ahead.
But regardless I'd like to see some dual sourcing of deckers again in the West Midlands. Hard to imagine E400s at AG and WB.
Is the Go-Ahead London demo the one that visited NXWM BC depot? I agree the Wright upper deck looks as though the roof of another type of double decker has been grafted on.
Dual sourcing would be nice to add some variety, but the Volvo based models at AG & WB garages are completely different in terms of chassis & Wright bodywork compared with anything else that they currently run so new E400's wouldn't be a major problem. I'll tell you what I find really hard to image, that's a new double decker at WB :P
I'm with you on that one :P
I can't remember where here it was asked, but if anyone was looking out for 4111, its on the 1E this evening.
I think it's Omnilink 1949, caught this a couple of times this week, anyone else noticed the funny noise it makes that you can hear while inside it?
It sounds like a fridge-freezer that's nearly ready to expire!
It's not a mechanical noise, as it doesn't vary in tone as the engine changes speed, but it does sound like a problem with the internal saloon climate control (I would say air-conditioning, but I don't think these Scanias have any)
what is the PVR for the 37; thanks in advance
Whoops.
(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1018.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Faf308%2Fxixtomxix%2FIMG_5749_zps4ff11fc8.jpg&hash=ba9cf9fdabd7db283975f81429f5bba30a472884) (http://s1018.photobucket.com/user/xixtomxix/media/IMG_5749_zps4ff11fc8.jpg.html)
That looks pretty bad....Was everyone on board alright?
There were no injuries, I'm sure I read a comment on Birmingham Updates that only the driver was on board, so was probably heading back to garage. Great way to end your shift ???
Good to hear; will that bus be a write off or will they be able to repair it?
probably a write off due to age of bus involved?
Birmingham Mail confirms the bus was out of service and heading back to AG garage, so no passengers were on board:
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/acocks-green-bus-bursts-flames-6264565
Seriously, I heard this this morning...
Got on the 37 in Acocks Green, then I heard the lady driver on the radio reporting she had a problem with the bus (a Scania OmniLink, didn't get the fleetnumber) as the "doors won't stay closed, they keep opening back up by themselves".
A voice came back, asking her to 'reboot it by turning it off and on again' ;D (I thought this was only an IT-related in-joke, but she was asked to turn off the bus, leave it a couple of minutes, and then start it again, to see if that corrected the problem! To which she stated that she'd "already done that")
I haven't seen her driving the 37 before, so maybe she's a new driver - in fact I'm sure I saw her driving the 31 yesterday - so maybe she's not aware that this is a particular 'idiosyncrasy' with these Scanias. ;)
We sat there for a couple of minutes, when the voice came back on the radio advising her that engineers had no spare vehicles, so she would have to continue, and she would be advised accordingly.
As it would have it, we continued on our merry way, and by the time I got off before Camp Hill, there had been no issue with the doors not closing properly. 8)
Lucky for me, I was only a couple of minutes late arriving at work, and after recounting this experience, we had a good chuckle at work about it! :)
I've been on the odd Walsall Scania with a 'closing door' problem as well!
Was the first bus to go into the NXWM Livery from AG? If so what bus was it ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 10, 2013, 05:24:12 PM
Was the first bus to go into the NXWM Livery from AG? If so what bus was it ?
It may have been 1527 at West Brom, in February 2008. It may have just beaten the Yardley Wood Enviro400s and 4737 at Perry Barr into service
Quote from: John on November 10, 2013, 05:27:04 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 10, 2013, 05:24:12 PM
Was the first bus to go into the NXWM Livery from AG? If so what bus was it ?
It may have been 1527 at West Brom, in February 2008. It may have just beaten the Yardley Wood Enviro400s and 4737 at Perry Barr into service
The first buses repainted red & white were Presidents, 4052 was in service in 12/07
3rd Photo down here http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4052.html
Quote from: John on November 10, 2013, 05:27:04 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 10, 2013, 05:24:12 PM
Was the first bus to go into the NXWM Livery from AG? If so what bus was it ?
It may have been 1527 at West Brom, in February 2008. It may have just beaten the Yardley Wood Enviro400s and 4737 at Perry Barr into service
John,
I think it was the Presidents @ BC that first appeared in NX livery, the earlier ones were in the wrong shade of red
4040
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4040.html
4073
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4073.html
4056 was another
Quote from: Tony on November 10, 2013, 05:31:35 PM
Quote from: John on November 10, 2013, 05:27:04 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 10, 2013, 05:24:12 PM
Was the first bus to go into the NXWM Livery from AG? If so what bus was it ?
It may have been 1527 at West Brom, in February 2008. It may have just beaten the Yardley Wood Enviro400s and 4737 at Perry Barr into service
The first buses repainted red & white were Presidents, 4052 was in service in 12/07
3rd Photo down here http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4052.html
Shame our livery STILL isn't finished!!
Why did 4040 have NXWM logos then have them replaced with TWM logos ?
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/video-birmingham-bus-fire-acocks-6289126
Quote from: Winston on November 10, 2013, 05:34:29 PM
Quote from: John on November 10, 2013, 05:27:04 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 10, 2013, 05:24:12 PM
Was the first bus to go into the NXWM Livery from AG? If so what bus was it ?
It may have been 1527 at West Brom, in February 2008. It may have just beaten the Yardley Wood Enviro400s and 4737 at Perry Barr into service
John,
I think it was the Presidents @ BC that first appeared in NX livery, the earlier ones were in the wrong shade of red
4040
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4040.html
4073
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4073.html
4056 was another
4052 4067 4074 & 4110 aswell :)
4050 and 4075 are now parked back to back inside AG. 4050 is nowhere near as bad as 4075
Quote from: Tony on November 11, 2013, 09:11:36 PM
4050 and 4075 are now parked back to back inside AG. 4050 is nowhere near as bad as 4075
Photo to come I'm sure? 4050 didn't get a chance to spread did it? 4075's fire spread upwards fairly quick
Quote from: Tony on November 11, 2013, 09:11:36 PM
4050 and 4075 are now parked back to back inside AG. 4050 is nowhere near as bad as 4075
Any chance it could be repaired
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 12, 2013, 03:36:14 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 11, 2013, 09:11:36 PM
4050 and 4075 are now parked back to back inside AG. 4050 is nowhere near as bad as 4075
Any chance it could be repaired
I'm sure Tony might know better, but with the age of these vehicles now, and probably only having a couple of years left in them, depending on what work needs doing, might not be cost-effective to do so.
Big bouquet for the driver of 2115 today on the 71, who waited patiently at the bus-stop while a middle-aged lady did her best to run 50 yards to catch the bus ...... I know many other drivers will happily do the same, but it's always good to see such a "courtesy". Well done!
Rather than hijacking the Pensnett thread on this, having read that 2103 is the 'first' to transfer there, will there be more B7RLEs moving from AG to PE?
I know it was previously suggested that PE would receive more B7RLEs, but it does seem strange that with AG being short of buses as it is, what would be likely to replace them? Keeping fleetnumbers in line, this suggests that 2099-2013 will be leaving, as PE have up to 2098 already. More Omnilinks from PB? And can PB spare them, even with the new Enviros?
Quote from: Stu on November 27, 2013, 08:34:06 PM
Rather than hijacking the Pensnett thread on this, having read that 2103 is the 'first' to transfer there, will there be more B7RLEs moving from AG to PE?
I know it was previously suggested that PE would receive more B7RLEs, but it does seem strange that with AG being short of buses as it is, what would be likely to replace them? Keeping fleetnumbers in line, this suggests that 2099-2013 will be leaving, as PE have up to 2098 already. More Omnilinks from PB? And can PB spare them, even with the new Enviros?
I'd guessing some of the new E400's will be releasing Omnilinks for transfer to AG
Quote from: Stu on November 27, 2013, 08:34:06 PM
Rather than hijacking the Pensnett thread on this, having read that 2103 is the 'first' to transfer there, will there be more B7RLEs moving from AG to PE?
I know it was previously suggested that PE would receive more B7RLEs, but it does seem strange that with AG being short of buses as it is, what would be likely to replace them? Keeping fleetnumbers in line, this suggests that 2099-2013 will be leaving, as PE have up to 2098 already. More Omnilinks from PB? And can PB spare them, even with the new Enviros?
Has anyone seen 2103 today, personally i don't think that it is a transfer, but maybe a loan. saw 1686 on the 81 today so it's back at WN
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 27, 2013, 08:38:45 PM
Quote from: Stu on November 27, 2013, 08:34:06 PM
Rather than hijacking the Pensnett thread on this, having read that 2103 is the 'first' to transfer there, will there be more B7RLEs moving from AG to PE?
I know it was previously suggested that PE would receive more B7RLEs, but it does seem strange that with AG being short of buses as it is, what would be likely to replace them? Keeping fleetnumbers in line, this suggests that 2099-2013 will be leaving, as PE have up to 2098 already. More Omnilinks from PB? And can PB spare them, even with the new Enviros?
Has anyone seen 2103 today, personally i don't think that it is a transfer, but maybe a loan. saw 1686 on the 81 today so it's back at WN
I'll look out on the 71/72 just in case 2103 has come back :)
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 27, 2013, 08:38:45 PM
Quote from: Stu on November 27, 2013, 08:34:06 PM
Rather than hijacking the Pensnett thread on this, having read that 2103 is the 'first' to transfer there, will there be more B7RLEs moving from AG to PE?
I know it was previously suggested that PE would receive more B7RLEs, but it does seem strange that with AG being short of buses as it is, what would be likely to replace them? Keeping fleetnumbers in line, this suggests that 2099-2013 will be leaving, as PE have up to 2098 already. More Omnilinks from PB? And can PB spare them, even with the new Enviros?
Has anyone seen 2103 today, personally i don't think that it is a transfer, but maybe a loan. saw 1686 on the 81 today so it's back at WN
I thought Richie, who works at PE said it was the first of a few to arrive?
Quote from: Mike K on November 27, 2013, 08:50:03 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 27, 2013, 08:38:45 PM
Quote from: Stu on November 27, 2013, 08:34:06 PM
Rather than hijacking the Pensnett thread on this, having read that 2103 is the 'first' to transfer there, will there be more B7RLEs moving from AG to PE?
I know it was previously suggested that PE would receive more B7RLEs, but it does seem strange that with AG being short of buses as it is, what would be likely to replace them? Keeping fleetnumbers in line, this suggests that 2099-2013 will be leaving, as PE have up to 2098 already. More Omnilinks from PB? And can PB spare them, even with the new Enviros?
Has anyone seen 2103 today, personally i don't think that it is a transfer, but maybe a loan. saw 1686 on the 81 today so it's back at WN
I thought Richie, who works at PE said it was the first of a few to arrive?
He did Mike
aah, i didn't know Richie worked at PE.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 27, 2013, 08:38:45 PM
Quote from: Stu on November 27, 2013, 08:34:06 PM
Rather than hijacking the Pensnett thread on this, having read that 2103 is the 'first' to transfer there, will there be more B7RLEs moving from AG to PE?
I know it was previously suggested that PE would receive more B7RLEs, but it does seem strange that with AG being short of buses as it is, what would be likely to replace them? Keeping fleetnumbers in line, this suggests that 2099-2013 will be leaving, as PE have up to 2098 already. More Omnilinks from PB? And can PB spare them, even with the new Enviros?
Has anyone seen 2103 today, personally i don't think that it is a transfer, but maybe a loan. saw 1686 on the 81 today so it's back at WN
Knowing PE love to refurb newish buses its probably gone off for repaint :p lol
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on November 27, 2013, 10:22:30 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 27, 2013, 08:38:45 PM
Quote from: Stu on November 27, 2013, 08:34:06 PM
Rather than hijacking the Pensnett thread on this, having read that 2103 is the 'first' to transfer there, will there be more B7RLEs moving from AG to PE?
I know it was previously suggested that PE would receive more B7RLEs, but it does seem strange that with AG being short of buses as it is, what would be likely to replace them? Keeping fleetnumbers in line, this suggests that 2099-2013 will be leaving, as PE have up to 2098 already. More Omnilinks from PB? And can PB spare them, even with the new Enviros?
Has anyone seen 2103 today, personally i don't think that it is a transfer, but maybe a loan. saw 1686 on the 81 today so it's back at WN
Knowing PE love to refurb newish buses its probably gone off for repaint :p lol
Or having a fire risk assessment done
2103 was on the 140/241 today (Weds 27th)
Quote from: N94 on November 28, 2013, 12:08:40 AM
2103 was on the 140/241 today (Weds 27th)
Oh no, I missed it :(
Have the destinations been programmed in yet?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 28, 2013, 12:10:39 AM
Quote from: N94 on November 28, 2013, 12:08:40 AM
2103 was on the 140/241 today (Weds 27th)
Oh no, I missed it :(
Have the destinations been programmed in yet?
Showing 241 when I saw it.
Quote from: N94 on November 28, 2013, 12:13:11 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 28, 2013, 12:10:39 AM
Quote from: N94 on November 28, 2013, 12:08:40 AM
2103 was on the 140/241 today (Weds 27th)
Oh no, I missed it :(
Have the destinations been programmed in yet?
Showing 241 when I saw it.
Thanks! Sorry to press, but do you know which board it was on? :)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 28, 2013, 12:14:11 AM
Quote from: N94 on November 28, 2013, 12:13:11 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 28, 2013, 12:10:39 AM
Quote from: N94 on November 28, 2013, 12:08:40 AM
2103 was on the 140/241 today (Weds 27th)
Oh no, I missed it :(
Have the destinations been programmed in yet?
Showing 241 when I saw it.
Thanks! Sorry to press, but do you know which board it was on? :)
Looking at the timetable against the time and place I saw it, I think I
t was on the 15:35 from Halesowen. Don't know anything about board numbers though.
Quote from: N94 on November 28, 2013, 12:21:17 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 28, 2013, 12:14:11 AM
Quote from: N94 on November 28, 2013, 12:13:11 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 28, 2013, 12:10:39 AM
Quote from: N94 on November 28, 2013, 12:08:40 AM
2103 was on the 140/241 today (Weds 27th)
Oh no, I missed it :(
Have the destinations been programmed in yet?
Showing 241 when I saw it.
Thanks! Sorry to press, but do you know which board it was on? :)
Looking at the timetable against the time and place I saw it, I think it was on the 15:05 from Halesowen. Don't know anything about board numbers though.
Don't worry, that's what I meant, where you saw it and when. Thanks for that.
where would the Omnilinks be coming from then? Cause Perry Barr has only really just received a load
On my journeys to and from work today, I was watching out for any 'new' Omnilinks on the 37, apart from a couple of B7RLEs (2100 and 2102) and a few Geminis this evening, all the Omnilinks I observed were branded ones. I'll keep an eye out the next few days!
Quote from: Stu on November 28, 2013, 06:07:24 PM
On my journeys to and from work today, I was watching out for any 'new' Omnilinks on the 37, apart from a couple of B7RLEs (2100 and 2102) and a few Geminis this evening, all the Omnilinks I observed were branded ones. I'll keep an eye out the next few days!
Interesting that the B7RLEs you saw on the 37 were 2100 and 2102, that may well be the last time you see those two on the 37
With 2099-2103 moving to PE, does that mean more Omnilinks will start appearing on the 71/72 or will there still be enough B7RLEs for those routes?
Quote from: Sh4166 on November 28, 2013, 06:29:31 PM
With 2099-2103 moving to PE, does that mean more Omnilinks will start appearing on the 71/72 or will there still be enough B7RLEs for those routes?
Well a few B7RLE's do appear on the 37 atm so maybe they could shift those onto the 71/2 with the 37 kept fully Omnilink operated
Quote from: Sh4166 on November 28, 2013, 06:29:31 PM
With 2099-2103 moving to PE, does that mean more Omnilinks will start appearing on the 71/72 or will there still be enough B7RLEs for those routes?
Or you might see more Omnlinks on the 71/2 if some transfer from PB like it was said somewhere on the forum
Or... (just throwing it out there) put some deckers on the 37?
Quote from: Kevin on November 28, 2013, 11:19:48 PM
Or... (just throwing it out there) put some deckers on the 37?
It's posted in another thread that ex PB 7022 is now at AG & was seen in service today on the S1
Quote from: Kevin on November 28, 2013, 11:19:48 PM
Or... (just throwing it out there) put some deckers on the 37?
They do that anyway! ;)
Quote from: Winston on November 28, 2013, 11:21:45 PM
Quote from: Kevin on November 28, 2013, 11:19:48 PM
Or... (just throwing it out there) put some deckers on the 37?
It's posted in another thread that ex PB 7022 is now at AG & was seen in service today on the S1
So i guess 5 B7RLE's (2099-2103) from AG to PN with 5 Omnilinks from PB to AG?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on November 29, 2013, 08:42:32 AM
Quote from: Winston on November 28, 2013, 11:21:45 PM
Quote from: Kevin on November 28, 2013, 11:19:48 PM
Or... (just throwing it out there) put some deckers on the 37?
It's posted in another thread that ex PB 7022 is now at AG & was seen in service today on the S1
So i guess 5 B7RLE's (2099-2103) from AG to PN with 5 Omnilinks from PB to AG?
Yes 7021-7025 from what I've read :) I'd rather have the B7's ;)
Saw why they prefer having the single deckers on the 37 the other week; had a Gemini on it and someone was just lighting a fag at the back of the upper deck...
Quote from: Liberator9 on November 29, 2013, 05:50:33 PM
Saw why they prefer having the single deckers on the 37 the other week; had a Gemini on it and someone was just lighting a fag at the back of the upper deck...
That's nothing, a few weeks ago, there was a fella casually puffing away on a cigarette on the back seat of an Omnilink, probably unaware that he was clearly visible on the CCTV screen.
Saw a notice on the 11C this evening:
Service 73: Birmingham - Heartlands Hospital - Yardley - Sheldon - Solihull
To help improve reliability buses will no longer serve the two stops along Garretts Green Lane between Cockshut Hill and Sheldon Heath Road.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/service-changes-from-1st-december-2013
Quote from: Stu on November 29, 2013, 06:38:49 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on November 29, 2013, 05:50:33 PM
Saw why they prefer having the single deckers on the 37 the other week; had a Gemini on it and someone was just lighting a fag at the back of the upper deck...
That's nothing, a few weeks ago, there was a fella casually puffing away on a cigarette on the back seat of an Omnilink, probably unaware that he was clearly visible on the CCTV screen.
I saw one smoking downstairs on the back seat of a 9 not so long ago, I think he only lit it momentarily for a quick puff
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 29, 2013, 06:42:42 PM
Quote from: Stu on November 29, 2013, 06:38:49 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on November 29, 2013, 05:50:33 PM
Saw why they prefer having the single deckers on the 37 the other week; had a Gemini on it and someone was just lighting a fag at the back of the upper deck...
That's nothing, a few weeks ago, there was a fella casually puffing away on a cigarette on the back seat of an Omnilink, probably unaware that he was clearly visible on the CCTV screen.
I saw one smoking downstairs on the back seat of a 9 not so long ago, I think he only lit it momentarily for a quick puff
I just can't understand the mentality of these people! I'm a smoker myself, but I manage to hold out until I least get off the bus, wouldn't dream of lighting up actually on the bus! Not just because it is illegal, but it is also inconsiderate to other passengers.
Quote from: Stu on November 29, 2013, 06:41:56 PM
Saw a notice on the 11C this evening:
Service 73: Birmingham - Heartlands Hospital - Yardley - Sheldon - Solihull
To help improve reliability buses will no longer serve the two stops along Garretts Green Lane between Cockshut Hill and Sheldon Heath Road.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/service-changes-from-1st-december-2013
They have altered the road slightly, where the bollard is in the middle of the road. Although i I always thought a bus wa able to turn right out of Cockshut Hill before they changed it
Is it fair to say 4055 may be being repaired? as it doesn't feature on Nov's fleet changes as withdrawn
Quote from: Winston on December 03, 2013, 11:08:30 PM
Is it fair to say 4055 may be being repaired? as it doesn't feature on Nov's fleet changes as withdrawn
Presumably, as they say in railway terms, its on decision?
Quote from: Winston on December 03, 2013, 11:08:30 PM
Is it fair to say 4055 may be being repaired? as it doesn't feature on Nov's fleet changes as withdrawn
What happened to 4055? That's one of West Brom's! 4050 was recently involved in a fire, though I do recall Tony saying it wasn't as badly damaged as 4075 (or was it the other way around?). Maybe it's still 'under assessment', or still being investigated?
Quote from: Stu on December 04, 2013, 07:03:53 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 03, 2013, 11:08:30 PM
Is it fair to say 4055 may be being repaired? as it doesn't feature on Nov's fleet changes as withdrawn
What happened to 4055? That's one of West Brom's! 4050 was recently involved in a fire, though I do recall Tony saying it wasn't as badly damaged as 4075 (or was it the other way around?). Maybe it's still 'under assessment', or still being investigated?
Nope, 4050 was the one that wasn't that bad, meanwhile 4075 has been withdrawn
4072 broke down in the middle of bearwood high street yesterday
Quote from: Stu on December 04, 2013, 07:03:53 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 03, 2013, 11:08:30 PM
Is it fair to say 4055 may be being repaired? as it doesn't feature on Nov's fleet changes as withdrawn
What happened to 4055? That's one of West Brom's! 4050 was recently involved in a fire, though I do recall Tony saying it wasn't as badly damaged as 4075 (or was it the other way around?). Maybe it's still 'under assessment', or still being investigated?
Sorry Stu, typo... I meant 4050
Quote from: Winston on December 04, 2013, 08:13:56 PM
Quote from: Stu on December 04, 2013, 07:03:53 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 03, 2013, 11:08:30 PM
Is it fair to say 4055 may be being repaired? as it doesn't feature on Nov's fleet changes as withdrawn
What happened to 4055? That's one of West Brom's! 4050 was recently involved in a fire, though I do recall Tony saying it wasn't as badly damaged as 4075 (or was it the other way around?). Maybe it's still 'under assessment', or still being investigated?
Sorry Stu, typo... I meant 4050
I thought that was the case, but wasn't sure if 4055 had had an unreported incident or not!
On an unrelated note, I don't know whether its just because I've been paying more attention the last few days, but I have observed that all the Omnilinks I've seen on the 37 have indeed been branded ones. Still a number of Geminis being used also, as well as the odd President the last two days. One of those 'transitional' periods again I suppose, while buses are being swapped around.
The thought also crossed my mind; what if the Eclipse 2s could all receive new branding and become the main allocation for the 37, with the Omnilinks going onto the 71, 72 and S1 services, as well as being used as 'spares' elsewhere?
Quote from: Stu on December 04, 2013, 08:30:09 PM
The thought also crossed my mind; what if the Eclipse 2s could all receive new branding and become the main allocation for the 37, with the Omnilinks going onto the 71, 72 and S1 services, as well as being used as 'spares' elsewhere?
Now there is an interesting thought ???
Quote from: Dylan4579 on December 04, 2013, 07:59:08 PM
4072 broke down in the middle of bearwood high street yesterday
I went past this yesterday afternoon. Could have sworn it was 4074 but can't remember that far back (getting old).
It was causing minor delays. There was an inspector there directing traffic around it.
Well that didn't last long, 1932, 7019, 7020 (my ride home this evening) and 7023 all on the 37 today.
Quote from: Stu on December 09, 2013, 06:42:31 PM
Well that didn't last long, 1932, 7019, 7020 (my ride home this evening) and 7023 all on the 37 today.
I'm probably having a mind-blank, but what didn't last long?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 09, 2013, 08:11:16 PM
Quote from: Stu on December 09, 2013, 06:42:31 PM
Well that didn't last long, 1932, 7019, 7020 (my ride home this evening) and 7023 all on the 37 today.
I'm probably having a mind-blank, but what didn't last long?
Presidents on the 37
Quote from: John on December 09, 2013, 08:14:48 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 09, 2013, 08:11:16 PM
Quote from: Stu on December 09, 2013, 06:42:31 PM
Well that didn't last long, 1932, 7019, 7020 (my ride home this evening) and 7023 all on the 37 today.
I'm probably having a mind-blank, but what didn't last long?
Presidents on the 37
Ah, I only just noticed Stu's post on the previous page - cheers John
Actually, I meant having only 37-branded Omnilinks on the 37! ;)
Does anyone know why 2106 was sitting at Swanshurst lane (heading towards Kings Heath 11C side) at around 3:35 this afternoon. Never seen a Wright Eclipse round there. It had nothing on the display as well and had its hazards on with no interior lights on either. Was it about to do some extra 11 service maybe?
Quote from: Liberator9 on December 11, 2013, 07:48:14 PM
Does anyone know why 2106 was sitting at Swanshurst lane (heading towards Kings Heath 11C side) at around 3:35 this afternoon. Never seen a Wright Eclipse round there. It had nothing on the display as well and had its hazards on with no interior lights on either. Was it about to do some extra 11 service maybe?
Maybe waiting to take up duties on the Outer Circle
Might have just been broken down, if the hazard lights were on. Or could have been ready for a 'bus-swap', if another 11 was due that needed to be replaced?
Around that time of day, extra workings on the 11C (as 11Es to Kings Heath) start from Archbishop Ilsley school on Victoria Road in Acocks Green.
Would make sense; thanks
4674 how back from rear end repairs, parked in the garage today
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 04:27:37 PM
4674 how back from rear end repairs, parked in the garage today
Was on an 11C morning peak board!
You're enjoying training aren't you John, getting into lots of garages
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2013, 04:35:41 PM
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 04:27:37 PM
4674 how back from rear end repairs, parked in the garage today
Was on an 11C morning peak board!
You're enjoying training aren't you John, getting into lots of garages
I am. We stopped at Acocks Green for lunch, with a toilet stop in West Brom this morning.
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 05:02:31 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2013, 04:35:41 PM
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 04:27:37 PM
4674 how back from rear end repairs, parked in the garage today
Was on an 11C morning peak board!
You're enjoying training aren't you John, getting into lots of garages
I am. We stopped at Acocks Green for lunch, with a toilet stop in West Brom this morning.
John, I see your getting your proirities right and testing out the garage canteens.......
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 05:02:31 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2013, 04:35:41 PM
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 04:27:37 PM
4674 how back from rear end repairs, parked in the garage today
Was on an 11C morning peak board!
You're enjoying training aren't you John, getting into lots of garages
I am. We stopped at Acocks Green for lunch, with a toilet stop in West Brom this morning.
Dangerous stuff is canteens. Can I recommend a steak and salad? Avoid fat.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 12, 2013, 08:50:37 PM
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 05:02:31 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2013, 04:35:41 PM
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 04:27:37 PM
4674 how back from rear end repairs, parked in the garage today
Was on an 11C morning peak board!
You're enjoying training aren't you John, getting into lots of garages
I am. We stopped at Acocks Green for lunch, with a toilet stop in West Brom this morning.
Dangerous stuff is canteens. Can I recommend a steak and salad? Avoid fat.
The mega burger BC do on Mondays is good.
Working upwards - Base of bun, large burger, bacon, cheese, middle of bun, large burger, bacon, cheese, fried egg, then top of bun, served with chips & salad
I'd just have the salad
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2013, 08:53:42 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 12, 2013, 08:50:37 PM
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 05:02:31 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2013, 04:35:41 PM
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 04:27:37 PM
4674 how back from rear end repairs, parked in the garage today
Was on an 11C morning peak board!
You're enjoying training aren't you John, getting into lots of garages
I am. We stopped at Acocks Green for lunch, with a toilet stop in West Brom this morning.
Dangerous stuff is canteens. Can I recommend a steak and salad? Avoid fat.
The mega burger BC do on Mondays is good.
Working upwards - Base of bun, large burger, bacon, cheese, middle of bun, large burger, bacon, cheese, fried egg, then top of bun, served with chips & salad
Sounds good but a bit like a heart attack on a plate...
Quote from: Winston on December 12, 2013, 08:44:31 PM
John, I see your getting your proirities right and testing out the garage canteens.......
:D We have eaten at Walsall and Perry Barr, I had to try out Perry Barr's food. Wasn't hungry today so only had a tea from Acocks Green. We were originally going to Central for lunch, but bus swapping/refuelling and defects on the bus we were driving meant we were an hour late leaving Walsall this morning.
Pensnett doesn't have a canteen so we ended up at Greggs around the corner, and I have heard that Yardley Wood and Coventry canteens are not as good.
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2013, 08:53:42 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 12, 2013, 08:50:37 PM
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 05:02:31 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2013, 04:35:41 PM
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 04:27:37 PM
4674 how back from rear end repairs, parked in the garage today
Was on an 11C morning peak board!
You're enjoying training aren't you John, getting into lots of garages
I am. We stopped at Acocks Green for lunch, with a toilet stop in West Brom this morning.
Dangerous stuff is canteens. Can I recommend a steak and salad? Avoid fat.
The mega burger BC do on Mondays is good.
Working upwards - Base of bun, large burger, bacon, cheese, middle of bun, large burger, bacon, cheese, fried egg, then top of bun, served with chips & salad
Sounds good however...
I don't trust the meat any canteens use. Except pork/properly labeled beef. I can't risk eating halal/kosher etc
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 12, 2013, 09:08:01 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2013, 08:53:42 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 12, 2013, 08:50:37 PM
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 05:02:31 PM
Quote from: Tony on December 12, 2013, 04:35:41 PM
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 04:27:37 PM
4674 how back from rear end repairs, parked in the garage today
Was on an 11C morning peak board!
You're enjoying training aren't you John, getting into lots of garages
I am. We stopped at Acocks Green for lunch, with a toilet stop in West Brom this morning.
Dangerous stuff is canteens. Can I recommend a steak and salad? Avoid fat.
The mega burger BC do on Mondays is good.
Working upwards - Base of bun, large burger, bacon, cheese, middle of bun, large burger, bacon, cheese, fried egg, then top of bun, served with chips & salad
Sounds good however...
I don't trust the meat any canteens use. Except pork/properly labeled beef. I can't risk eating halal/kosher etc
"Halal. Is it meat you're looking for?"
Is this still the Acocks Green thread, or is it now the "Best Canteen Thread?"
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 12, 2013, 09:13:29 PM
Is this still the Acocks Green thread, or is it now the "Best Canteen Thread?"
I think its a natural transformation when talking about AG. Excellent breakfast they do.
Is the Solihull services AG provide alongside the 70, proving to be more reliable now?
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 09:00:00 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 12, 2013, 08:44:31 PM
John, I see your getting your proirities right and testing out the garage canteens.......
:D We have eaten at Walsall and Perry Barr, I had to try out Perry Barr's food. Wasn't hungry today so only had a tea from Acocks Green. We were originally going to Central for lunch, but bus swapping/refuelling and defects on the bus we were driving meant we were an hour late leaving Walsall this morning.
Pensnett doesn't have a canteen so we ended up at Greggs around the corner, and I have heard that Yardley Wood and Coventry canteens are not as good.
John, you haven't broke a bus already have you? :P
Greggs is Pensnett's canteen.... The YW canteen food at the open day was alright, but they were really un-organised and couldn't cope......
Quote from: Winston on December 12, 2013, 09:49:37 PM
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 09:00:00 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 12, 2013, 08:44:31 PM
John, I see your getting your proirities right and testing out the garage canteens.......
:D We have eaten at Walsall and Perry Barr, I had to try out Perry Barr's food. Wasn't hungry today so only had a tea from Acocks Green. We were originally going to Central for lunch, but bus swapping/refuelling and defects on the bus we were driving meant we were an hour late leaving Walsall this morning.
Pensnett doesn't have a canteen so we ended up at Greggs around the corner, and I have heard that Yardley Wood and Coventry canteens are not as good.
You haven't broke a bus already have you? :P
Greggs is Pensnett's canteen.... The YW canteen food at the open day, but they were really un-organised and couldn't cope
Is this what driver training involves, driving around every depot finding out where the best food is?
Quote from: Winston on December 12, 2013, 09:52:02 PM
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 09:00:00 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 12, 2013, 08:44:31 PM
John, I see your getting your proirities right and testing out the garage canteens.......
:D We have eaten at Walsall and Perry Barr, I had to try out Perry Barr's food. Wasn't hungry today so only had a tea from Acocks Green. We were originally going to Central for lunch, but bus swapping/refuelling and defects on the bus we were driving meant we were an hour late leaving Walsall this morning.
Pensnett doesn't have a canteen so we ended up at Greggs around the corner, and I have heard that Yardley Wood and Coventry canteens are not as good.
John, you haven't broke a bus already have you? :P
Greggs is Pensnett's canteen.... The YW canteen food at the open day was alright, but they were really un-organised and couldn't cope......
What did the canteen cook at the open day? I only noticed fairy cakes and similar
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 12, 2013, 09:54:02 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 12, 2013, 09:52:02 PM
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 09:00:00 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 12, 2013, 08:44:31 PM
John, I see your getting your proirities right and testing out the garage canteens.......
:D We have eaten at Walsall and Perry Barr, I had to try out Perry Barr's food. Wasn't hungry today so only had a tea from Acocks Green. We were originally going to Central for lunch, but bus swapping/refuelling and defects on the bus we were driving meant we were an hour late leaving Walsall this morning.
Pensnett doesn't have a canteen so we ended up at Greggs around the corner, and I have heard that Yardley Wood and Coventry canteens are not as good.
John, you haven't broke a bus already have you? :P
Greggs is Pensnett's canteen.... The YW canteen food at the open day was alright, but they were really un-organised and couldn't cope......
What did the canteen cook at the open day? I only noticed fairy cakes and similar
Food :P
Quote from: Winston on December 12, 2013, 09:55:50 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 12, 2013, 09:54:02 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 12, 2013, 09:52:02 PM
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 09:00:00 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 12, 2013, 08:44:31 PM
John, I see your getting your proirities right and testing out the garage canteens.......
:D We have eaten at Walsall and Perry Barr, I had to try out Perry Barr's food. Wasn't hungry today so only had a tea from Acocks Green. We were originally going to Central for lunch, but bus swapping/refuelling and defects on the bus we were driving meant we were an hour late leaving Walsall this morning.
Pensnett doesn't have a canteen so we ended up at Greggs around the corner, and I have heard that Yardley Wood and Coventry canteens are not as good.
John, you haven't broke a bus already have you? :P
Greggs is Pensnett's canteen.... The YW canteen food at the open day was alright, but they were really un-organised and couldn't cope......
What did the canteen cook at the open day? I only noticed fairy cakes and similar
Food :P
Any chance of elaborating a bit? ;)
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 12, 2013, 09:58:52 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 12, 2013, 09:55:50 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 12, 2013, 09:54:02 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 12, 2013, 09:52:02 PM
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 09:00:00 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 12, 2013, 08:44:31 PM
John, I see your getting your proirities right and testing out the garage canteens.......
:D We have eaten at Walsall and Perry Barr, I had to try out Perry Barr's food. Wasn't hungry today so only had a tea from Acocks Green. We were originally going to Central for lunch, but bus swapping/refuelling and defects on the bus we were driving meant we were an hour late leaving Walsall this morning.
Pensnett doesn't have a canteen so we ended up at Greggs around the corner, and I have heard that Yardley Wood and Coventry canteens are not as good.
John, you haven't broke a bus already have you? :P
Greggs is Pensnett's canteen.... The YW canteen food at the open day was alright, but they were really un-organised and couldn't cope......
What did the canteen cook at the open day? I only noticed fairy cakes and similar
Food :P
Any chance of elaborating a bit? ;)
Burgers / chips / bacon baps etc That many people ordered stuff & walked off as though we sick of waiting. Even the YW drivers that just wanted a drink give up due to the queue/wait
Quote from: Winston on December 12, 2013, 09:52:02 PM
John, you haven't broke a bus already have you? :P
No! ;D I've kerbed it a few times, but you quickly learn from mistakes, haven't done that now since Monday. We had an extremely good blast around Birmingham today. Most mornings, we have found defects on the bus we have been allocated while doing a training VCR. They have all been the same defect though. Strange ::)
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 10:07:49 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 12, 2013, 09:52:02 PM
John, you haven't broke a bus already have you? :P
No! ;D I've kerbed it a few times, but you quickly learn from mistakes, haven't done that now since Monday. We had an extremely good blast around Birmingham today. Most mornings, we have found defects on the bus we have been allocated while doing a training VCR. They have all been the same defect though. Strange ::)
What defects, John? Old body damage, etched windows, saloon light out, DMAS faulty....
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 12, 2013, 10:10:03 PM
What defects, John? Old body damage, etched windows, saloon light out, DMAS faulty....
Broken wheel nut indicators
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 10:07:49 PM
Quote from: Winston on December 12, 2013, 09:52:02 PM
John, you haven't broke a bus already have you? :P
No! ;D I've kerbed it a few times, but you quickly learn from mistakes, haven't done that now since Monday. We had an extremely good blast around Birmingham today. Most mornings, we have found defects on the bus we have been allocated while doing a training VCR. They have all been the same defect though. Strange ::)
You already owe NX a new set of tyres.... maybe they are tresting you to make sure your checking/spot the defects ;)
Have you had any pedestrians walk out in front of you yet?
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 10:11:32 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on December 12, 2013, 10:10:03 PM
What defects, John? Old body damage, etched windows, saloon light out, DMAS faulty....
Broken wheel nut indicators
What have you been driving John, and where?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 12, 2013, 10:16:29 PM
What have you been driving John, and where?
The majority of buses we have had are the P-KOX B10L test buses. The first day we had 9355, and also the 2 B10M coaches. one for motorway driving and the other on our 2nd day out.
We have been all over. Around Walsall, Wolverhampton, West Brom, over to Coventry one day to deliver a training file, Dudley, Stourbridge, North Birmingham and around the 11 from Harborne to Acocks Green today. We have even been to Bridgnorth and to the outskirts of Stafford on 2 days. We have either been in or drove past all NX garages, as well as driving past Lea Hall
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 10:30:12 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 12, 2013, 10:16:29 PM
What have you been driving John, and where?
The majority of buses we have had are the P-KOX B10L test buses. The first day we had 9355, and also the 2 B10M coaches. one for motorway driving and the other on our 2nd day out.
We have been all over. Around Walsall, Wolverhampton, West Brom, over to Coventry one day to deliver a training file, Dudley, Stourbridge, North Birmingham and around the 11 from Harborne to Acocks Green today. We have even been to Bridgnorth and to the outskirts of Stafford on 2 days. We have either been in or drove past all NX garages, as well as driving past Lea Hall
Were all the shutters down at LH ? For Sale signs still up?
Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 10:30:12 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 12, 2013, 10:16:29 PM
What have you been driving John, and where?
The majority of buses we have had are the P-KOX B10L test buses. The first day we had 9355, and also the 2 B10M coaches. one for motorway driving and the other on our 2nd day out.
We have been all over. Around Walsall, Wolverhampton, West Brom, over to Coventry one day to deliver a training file, Dudley, Stourbridge, North Birmingham and around the 11 from Harborne to Acocks Green today. We have even been to Bridgnorth and to the outskirts of Stafford on 2 days. We have either been in or drove past all NX garages, as well as driving past Lea Hall
Is that N355 WOH John?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 12, 2013, 10:35:15 PM
Is that N355 WOH John?
Yes. All training buses are 9*** numbered. Even though the B10Bs still have thier original 13** fleet numbers on the side
Quote from: Winston on December 12, 2013, 10:12:16 PM
Have you had any pedestrians walk out in front of you yet?
I haven't, but another trainee has, I nearly ended up on the floor
Quote from: Winston on December 12, 2013, 10:33:00 PM
Were all the shutters down at LH ? For Sale signs still up?
Yes, plus the front and some of the side windows were boarded up to stop local hoodies from bricking them. They have had a good go though
Another morning of broken buses! We parked up 9505 up last night, and turned off the isolation switch. Tried to start it up today, wouldn't (It had a faulty start switch, I think it was repaired later in the day). After we couldn't start 9505, we then swapped for 9514, and that was dead as well. Started it after a boost from the booster pack.
They both have the modern ticket machines fitted, and they stay on even when the isolation switch is off, so they may be draining the battery. I don't know if they are used for ticket machine training as well, I don't know why they have had them fitted if they have been out of public service since 2008.
We drove out of Birmingham along the 16 route, and it was amazing how even with Not In Service on the blinds, we has 3 people at separate stops flag the bus down wanting to get on ;D Plus a woman on the Soho Road asking whether we was an 11 ;D
Looks as if 2110 has had a fresh coat of red
I got a text on friday afternoon saying 2110 was in Wolverhampton bus Station. Does anybody know anything?
Quote from: Ashley on January 05, 2014, 09:38:50 PM
I got a text on friday afternoon saying 2110 was in Wolverhampton bus Station. Does anybody know anything?
Come to think of it I havent seen 2110 on any AG Route since it was mentioned a week ago I doubt it'll be a transfer but I'll keep my eye out each day this week Ashley just in case 2110 is on the 37/71/72/S1 If I see it I'll let you know. :)
Thanks Rob :)
Quote from: Rob H on January 05, 2014, 10:13:23 PM
Quote from: Ashley on January 05, 2014, 09:38:50 PM
I got a text on friday afternoon saying 2110 was in Wolverhampton bus Station. Does anybody know anything?
Come to think of it I havent seen 2110 on any AG Route since it was mentioned a week ago I doubt it'll be a transfer but I'll keep my eye out each day this week Ashley just in case 2110 is on the 37/71/72/S1 If I see it I'll let you know. :)
Will look out if it supposedly (Which I highly doubt) appears on a WN route
Quote from: Nathan on January 05, 2014, 11:05:18 PM
Quote from: Rob H on January 05, 2014, 10:13:23 PM
Quote from: Ashley on January 05, 2014, 09:38:50 PM
I got a text on friday afternoon saying 2110 was in Wolverhampton bus Station. Does anybody know anything?
Come to think of it I havent seen 2110 on any AG Route since it was mentioned a week ago I doubt it'll be a transfer but I'll keep my eye out each day this week Ashley just in case 2110 is on the 37/71/72/S1 If I see it I'll let you know. :)
Will look out if it supposedly (Which I highly doubt) appears on a WN route
It was only here Friday for MOT, so was 4068 if anybody saw it in the area.
Quote from: BN on January 06, 2014, 05:33:51 PM
Quote from: Nathan on January 05, 2014, 11:05:18 PM
Quote from: Rob H on January 05, 2014, 10:13:23 PM
Quote from: Ashley on January 05, 2014, 09:38:50 PM
I got a text on friday afternoon saying 2110 was in Wolverhampton bus Station. Does anybody know anything?
Come to think of it I havent seen 2110 on any AG Route since it was mentioned a week ago I doubt it'll be a transfer but I'll keep my eye out each day this week Ashley just in case 2110 is on the 37/71/72/S1 If I see it I'll let you know. :)
Will look out if it supposedly (Which I highly doubt) appears on a WN route
It was only here Friday for MOT, so was 4068 if anybody saw it in the area.
2110 back out seen it on the 37 in Acocks Green Village heading for Solihull around 9am while waiting for 4361 on the 3
Quote from: Rob H on January 07, 2014, 12:01:16 PM
2110 back out seen it on the 37 in Acocks Green Village heading for Solihull around 9am while waiting for 4361 on the 3
Me too, saw it earlier this evening also, still on the 37.
Most if not all of 2104-2123 have received the £4 Daysaver banner
4054 was involved in some kind of incident yesterday at Bearwood (Would have been on an 11A) with several ambulances and policecars/policemen and paramedics surrounding the bus
4054 is a West Bromwich President Nathan so could be 4024 4034 4064 or 4074 you saw
Quote from: Ashley on February 17, 2014, 06:12:21 PM
4054 is a West Bromwich President Nathan so could be 4024 4034 4064 or 4074 you saw
Then it must have been on the 48 then as it said Not In Service on the blinds (Forgot the 48 went down there). 100% it was 4054
4054 has route 5 branding.
Quote from: uniquicity on February 17, 2014, 06:39:34 PM
4054 has route 5 branding.
Ok it wasn't that then.Maybe 4064 on the outer circle? Anyway i wonder how serious the incident was to require dozens of police/ambulances
Quote from: uniquicity on February 17, 2014, 06:39:34 PM
4054 has route 5 branding.
No, it hasn't. According to Tony's list, 4055 has the 5 branding. 4054 is a WB President but has no branding at all.
Quote from: Nathan on February 17, 2014, 06:42:50 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on February 17, 2014, 06:39:34 PM
4054 has route 5 branding.
Ok it wasn't that then.Maybe 4064 on the outer circle? Anyway i wonder how serious the incident was to require dozens of police/ambulances
I think if it had been that serious we would have heard about it by now?
I wonder if it was a training exercise to test the response of the emergency services in case of a serious bus accident?
Quote from: P419 EJW on February 17, 2014, 06:58:04 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on February 17, 2014, 06:39:34 PM
4054 has route 5 branding.
No, it hasn't. According to Tony's list, 4055 has the 5 branding. 4054 is a WB President but has no branding at all.
It does
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9378640032
Quote from: John on February 18, 2014, 12:48:33 AM
Quote from: P419 EJW on February 17, 2014, 06:58:04 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on February 17, 2014, 06:39:34 PM
4054 has route 5 branding.
No, it hasn't. According to Tony's list, 4055 has the 5 branding. 4054 is a WB President but has no branding at all.
It does
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9378640032
Wow... I stand corrected. I was using Tony's information. Bite me.
4072 seen runnin Out Of Service down Hagley Rd this afternoon about 13:55. Going to take up duties on the Outer Circle?
Quote from: Nathan on February 18, 2014, 02:24:17 PM
4072 seen runnin Out Of Service down Hagley Rd this afternoon about 13:55. Going to take up duties on the Outer Circle?
Yes, it's quite common to see them.
21/03/2014
2118 replaced another B7 or Omnilink in Solihull this morning I seen it arriving into Solihull with an engineer at the wheel and then came into service working the 11:35 72 to Birmingham.
02/04/2014
I think 4675 replaced 4653 on the 5 this morning saw the engineer bring 4675 from Garage and then a while later I seen the same engineer driving 4653 through the station not sure I presume they swapped at Poplar Road and when 4653 passed me it did sound a bit rough couldn't say what the problem was exactly but as I said 4653 didn't sound right.
03/04/2014
1934 replaced 4063 on the 966 on the 10:48 ex Solihull seen this happen before boarding Sunny Travel M443BLC on Poplar Road
saw 2 engineers on 37 branded 1953 on Coventry road torwards acocks green garage
followed by 4052 running empty to solihull
7027 was on the 37 this afternoon.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on April 14, 2014, 07:54:36 PM
7027 was on the 37 this afternoon.
I'll see if 7027 is out on the 71/72 tomorrow because as I've posted in the "Buses On Loan" Thread most of the ex Dundee Omnilinks appear on there each day alongside 2105-2123. :)
Quote from: Rob H on April 14, 2014, 08:08:55 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on April 14, 2014, 07:54:36 PM
7027 was on the 37 this afternoon.
I'll see if 7027 is out on the 71/72 tomorrow because as I've posted in the "Buses On Loan" Thread most of the ex Dundee Omnilinks appear on there each day alongside 2105-2123. :)
Hi Rob;
7027
is/was is out still on the 37 seen at 8:53 parked up at Acocks Green Village heading for Solihull (:
Quote from: Nathan4775 on April 15, 2014, 10:47:15 AM
Quote from: Rob H on April 14, 2014, 08:08:55 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on April 14, 2014, 07:54:36 PM
7027 was on the 37 this afternoon.
I'll see if 7027 is out on the 71/72 tomorrow because as I've posted in the "Buses On Loan" Thread most of the ex Dundee Omnilinks appear on there each day alongside 2105-2123. :)
Hi Rob;
7027 is/was is out still on the 37 seen at 8:53 parked up at Acocks Green Village heading for Solihull (:
Out on the 71 today
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on April 16, 2014, 12:28:53 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on April 15, 2014, 10:47:15 AM
Quote from: Rob H on April 14, 2014, 08:08:55 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on April 14, 2014, 07:54:36 PM
7027 was on the 37 this afternoon.
I'll see if 7027 is out on the 71/72 tomorrow because as I've posted in the "Buses On Loan" Thread most of the ex Dundee Omnilinks appear on there each day alongside 2105-2123. :)
Hi Rob;
7027 is/was is out still on the 37 seen at 8:53 parked up at Acocks Green Village heading for Solihull (:
Out on the 71 today
Looks like this is a transfer. If its out on either the 71 or 72 tomorrow I'll try and get an onboard vid of it (if its on one of my buses tomorrow).
Quote from: Rob H on April 16, 2014, 06:56:48 PM
Looks like this is a transfer. If its out on either the 71 or 72 tomorrow I'll try and get an onboard vid of it (if its on one of my buses tomorrow).
I hope it has transferred. I never liked 7027 to drive, awfull brakes.
Start to press the pedal and nothing happens, then push it down a bit more and the brakes apply sharply
Quote from: John on April 16, 2014, 07:01:53 PM
Quote from: Rob H on April 16, 2014, 06:56:48 PM
Looks like this is a transfer. If its out on either the 71 or 72 tomorrow I'll try and get an onboard vid of it (if its on one of my buses tomorrow).
I hope it has transferred. I never liked 7027 to drive, awfull brakes.
Start to press the pedal and nothing happens, then push it down a bit more and the brakes apply sharply
If I get on 7027 tomorrow John I'll see if it still does it :)
Quote from: Rob H on April 16, 2014, 07:08:26 PM
Quote from: John on April 16, 2014, 07:01:53 PM
Quote from: Rob H on April 16, 2014, 06:56:48 PM
Looks like this is a transfer. If its out on either the 71 or 72 tomorrow I'll try and get an onboard vid of it (if its on one of my buses tomorrow).
I hope it has transferred. I never liked 7027 to drive, awfull brakes.
Start to press the pedal and nothing happens, then push it down a bit more and the brakes apply sharply
If I get on 7027 tomorrow John I'll see if it still does it :)
It's probably the way I drove it more than anything, but it was deffinatly different than the other ex-Dundees
Quote from: John on April 16, 2014, 07:14:30 PM
Quote from: Rob H on April 16, 2014, 07:08:26 PM
Quote from: John on April 16, 2014, 07:01:53 PM
Quote from: Rob H on April 16, 2014, 06:56:48 PM
Looks like this is a transfer. If its out on either the 71 or 72 tomorrow I'll try and get an onboard vid of it (if its on one of my buses tomorrow).
I hope it has transferred. I never liked 7027 to drive, awfull brakes.
Start to press the pedal and nothing happens, then push it down a bit more and the brakes apply sharply
If I get on 7027 tomorrow John I'll see if it still does it :)
It's probably the way I drove it more than anything, but it was deffinatly different than the other ex-Dundees
Its not the way you drive it John as I've said before your driving is excellent. :)
I remember when the Outer Circle had Metrobus MKI, MKII & MKIIAs, those were good times
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 25, 2014, 10:17:27 AM
I remember when the Outer Circle had Metrobus MKI, MKII & MKIIAs, those were good times
I couldn't agree more Shaun nothing will beat the Metros I miss the AG and BC ones. :)
4672 got totally stuck right in the middle of Westley Road this afternoon - it just wouldn't move - and at one point there were 13 buses stuck too - 11 B7TLs, 7023 on the 1 and a Silverline vehicle. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry!
4. PD0001111/96 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Solihull, Bus Station and Erdington, Six Ways given service number 966/966a/966b effective from 08-Jun-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
Wonder what this is about, could it be related to the new bus road at the airport??
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 02, 2014, 04:54:19 PM
4. PD0001111/96 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Solihull, Bus Station and Erdington, Six Ways given service number 966/966a/966b effective from 08-Jun-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
Wonder what this is about, could it be related to the new bus road at the airport??
I imagine so :)
2121-37
There was an 11A going the wrong way, it was going the 11C route but was displaying 11A
he must have not realised
it was on Dudley Road at 5:15
Does anybody know whats happened to 2122 haven't seen it on the 71/72 for a while?
Quote from: Rob on June 04, 2014, 09:58:48 PM
Does anybody know whats happened to 2122 haven't seen it on the 71/72 for a while?
It was on the 37 today, but was on the 72 yesterday
Quote from: Tony on June 04, 2014, 10:05:31 PM
Quote from: Rob on June 04, 2014, 09:58:48 PM
Does anybody know whats happened to 2122 haven't seen it on the 71/72 for a while?
It was on the 37 today, but was on the 72 yesterday
Thank You for the info
@Tony 2122 must be avoiding me then ;)
Seen some drivers wearing football shirts - I'm told for charity
Yep it's company wide, £2 donation to the Bobby Moore Bowel Cancer fund matched by a further £2 from the company.
Quote from: YWDriver on June 13, 2014, 12:47:26 PM
Yep it's company wide, £2 donation to the Bobby Moore Bowel Cancer fund matched by a further £2 from the company.
I wondered why i saw a WN59 driver go past wearing a football shirt this morning
Quote from: Nathan on June 13, 2014, 03:11:43 PM
Quote from: YWDriver on June 13, 2014, 12:47:26 PM
Yep it's company wide, £2 donation to the Bobby Moore Bowel Cancer fund matched by a further £2 from the company.
I wondered why i saw a WN59 driver go past wearing a football shirt this morning
Seen loads at Pensnett, too. Rather this than the usual uniform!
I saw a driver on 4028 AG73 wearing England t-shirt
I've seen about 3 11A drivers in footie shirts today too, must be a footie mad manager :P
Yeah, spotted a couple of YW drivers on the Stratford Road in the same England t-shirts.
Noticed today 4074 has got an Old Stagecoach seat by the wheelchair bay, certainly looks different.
Same as Nathan mentioned in the Wolverhampton Garage thread, day return tickets on the 37 are also increasing from £3.20 to £3.50, from 29th June. Weekly tickets will also be increasing to £13 from the same date.
Is the 1 still Single Decker operated on a Sunday? Reason i ask is because 4676 is on there today. Saw about 15:35-15:40 pulling into Sheepcote St
Quote from: Nathan on June 22, 2014, 05:41:27 PM
Is the 1 still Single Decker operated on a Sunday? Reason i ask is because 4676 is on there today. Saw about 15:35-15:40 pulling into Sheepcote St
Anything is thrown on the 1 on Sundays. Even during the week!
4099 is having a stay at YW it seems - rode it on the 76E and 49 on Friday 20th June, and it was back on the 49 again today. I assume it is covering the loss of 4341
Awarding two bouquets to AG staff today - firstly the driver who managed to stop an obviously confused elderly lady from poking a £5 note into the coin collection box for a single fare, then nodding her through - an act of kindness, and secondly the young trainee driver (and minder) out on the 71 today, for a faultless (if slightly slow!! :D) journey.
If you read this, you'll know who you are. Well done both of you!
Quote from: Ossie on July 01, 2014, 12:25:12 PM
Awarding two bouquets to AG staff today - firstly the driver who managed to stop an obviously confused elderly lady from poking a £5 note into the coin collection box for a single fare, then nodding her through - an act of kindness, and secondly the young trainee driver (and minder) out on the 71 today, for a faultless (if slightly slow!! :D) journey.
If you read this, you'll know who you are. Well done both of you!
Perhaps you could contact TravelCare to ensure that these good deeds are officially recognised?
Anyone remember what happened at Acocks Green depot 4 Years ago today?
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 24, 2014, 08:40:48 PM
Anyone remember what happened at Acocks Green depot 4 Years ago today?
Was it the last day of Metro's there?
Quote from: bususer12 on July 24, 2014, 09:07:23 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 24, 2014, 08:40:48 PM
Anyone remember what happened at Acocks Green depot 4 Years ago today?
Was it the last day of Metro's there?
Yes, got it in one! Exactly 4 Years today was the last of the Metrobus at Acocks Green Depot.
:(
RIP METROBUSES
ALWAYS IN OUR HEARTS
WHENEVER THEY CAME INTO SERVICE (google is useless) - JULY 24TH 2010
I remember that day well :(
Bring back the Metrobuses !! Marvellous memories.
I was lucky that i got to see the last 10 years of the Metro's at WN. The old 528 route used to pass through my area down Stubby Lane so i can remember hearing them go past.
It's not the same without them nothing will beat the Metro's I miss them on the 72 also the 41 when it ran.
Metros used to run on every route around me. 87, 88, 448, 450
I remember when I had to go to MG Rover at Longbridge from 2001 to 2005 and Cotteridge was full of them going in all directions: the 11, the 45/47, the 49 and the 18. Happy days!
I grew up surrounded by Metrobuses; 88, 120, 128, 129, 448 and 449 all used them.
On the last day of service, I travelled on one on the 11, it was sad knowing it was the last time I'd ever catch one.
Lol all my old locals the 120, 88, 449 and the 126, defiantly no denying you could hear a metro miles away don't make them like they used to. Just out of interest. How long has the lynx been gone now. Fond memories of them running round the 120 and 88, also the 81Y when it used to serve Langley.
Quote from: danny on July 27, 2014, 03:00:19 PM
Lol all my old locals the 120, 88, 449 and the 126, defiantly no denying you could hear a metro miles away don't make them like they used to. Just out of interest. How long has the lynx been gone now. Fond memories of them running round the 120 and 88, also the 81Y when it used to serve Langley.
I think the last ones were withdrawn in 2009 at WA :)
Quote from: danny on July 27, 2014, 03:00:19 PM
Lol all my old locals the 120, 88, 449 and the 126, defiantly no denying you could hear a metro miles away don't make them like they used to. Just out of interest. How long has the lynx been gone now. Fond memories of them running round the 120 and 88, also the 81Y when it used to serve Langley.
Last Lynxes 1216 & 1312 were withdrawn 6th Mar 2009 at WA.
Has anything gone to AG to replace the 2 Presidents?
Quote from: uniquicity on July 30, 2014, 06:01:38 PM
Has anything gone to AG to replace the 2 Presidents?
Not yet, they don't need anything until 1st September when service levels increase again
Quote from: Tony on July 30, 2014, 06:05:49 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on July 30, 2014, 06:01:38 PM
Has anything gone to AG to replace the 2 Presidents?
Not yet, they don't need anything until 1st September when service levels increase again
If its true that West Brom will have some new Enviro400s by then, maybe a couple of Presidents or Geminis will be freed up to transfer?
Quote from: Stu on July 30, 2014, 06:30:44 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 30, 2014, 06:05:49 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on July 30, 2014, 06:01:38 PM
Has anything gone to AG to replace the 2 Presidents?
Not yet, they don't need anything until 1st September when service levels increase again
If its true that West Brom will have some new Enviro400s by then, maybe a couple of Presidents or Geminis will be freed up to transfer?
If the quotation of 53 new buses for WB this year was correct. That would be enough to withdraw all Mercs, B6s and Darts (if there are any Darts left)
4078 is at NXC pool meadow today
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on July 31, 2014, 10:02:32 AM
4078 is at NXC pool meadow today
There is usually a President or Gemini or Omnilink that goes to CV every Thursday not sure what for though :)
Quote from: Rob on July 31, 2014, 01:32:03 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on July 31, 2014, 10:02:32 AM
4078 is at NXC pool meadow today
There is usually a President or Gemini or Omnilink that goes to CV every Thursday not sure what for though :)
they probably get checked there as 4078 was drove by engineers before parking at CV
Quote from: Rob on July 31, 2014, 01:32:03 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on July 31, 2014, 10:02:32 AM
4078 is at NXC pool meadow today
There is usually a President or Gemini or Omnilink that goes to CV every Thursday not sure what for though :)
MOT's I believe
Just wondering if there are any staff shortages at AG; today I made two trips on the 1 (both on 1932) and both times the drivers were both I see normally only ever driving the 37. The chap this morning seemed a bit unsure of the route to take from Five Ways to turn around as he stopped one of his off-duty Polish buddies to ask for directions before setting off, and spent ages trying to set the destination display correctly, and ended up leaving it showing 1E Five Ways!
The other chap who was driving me back on 1932 this evening, was 15 minutes late leaving Sheepcote Street, but must have become a bit more familiar with the route by this time, as he was only 10 minutes late when he got us to Acocks Green.
Quote from: Stu on August 03, 2014, 09:08:08 PM
Just wondering if there are any staff shortages at AG; today I made two trips on the 1 (both on 1932) and both times the drivers were both I see normally only ever driving the 37. The chap this morning seemed a bit unsure of the route to take from Five Ways to turn around as he stopped one of his off-duty Polish buddies to ask for directions before setting off, and spent ages trying to set the destination display correctly, and ended up leaving it showing 1E Five Ways!
The other chap who was driving me back on 1932 this evening, was 15 minutes late leaving Sheepcote Street, but must have become a bit more familiar with the route by this time, as he was only 10 minutes late when he got us to Acocks Green.
Could just be a bit of overtime. There is usually a bit more at this time of year with drivers off on their two weeks holidays. Pretty much the same for us at the moment.
4780 spotted at yardley yew tree 1125 on loan to AG social club
4033 was On Loan to YW Today seen it on the 49E in Solihull while aboard 4908 on the 957 around 07:30-07:40
Just seen 4062 in parkfields showing driver training? Any info?
Quote from: NXDom on August 08, 2014, 11:54:22 AM
Just seen 4062 in parkfields showing driver training? Any info?
It just passed us on Thompson Ave. It had a member of staff aboard who appeared to be filming the journey through the windscreen
I assume it's doing the job of 241??
1950 (37 branded) seen going through W'ton City Centre about Lunch time displaying Driver Trainer on the display. This is the second AG bus displaying driver trainer going through W'ton with several members of NX staff aboard in recent weeks
Quote from: Nathan on August 13, 2014, 02:26:08 PM
1950 (37 branded) seen going through W'ton City Centre about Lunch time displaying Driver Trainer on the display. This is the second AG bus displaying driver trainer going through W'ton with several members of NX staff aboard in recent weeks
V Festival route training maybe?
Quote from: John on August 13, 2014, 06:07:06 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 13, 2014, 02:26:08 PM
1950 (37 branded) seen going through W'ton City Centre about Lunch time displaying Driver Trainer on the display. This is the second AG bus displaying driver trainer going through W'ton with several members of NX staff aboard in recent weeks
V Festival route training maybe?
I did think that tbh. Can't think any other reason why
7023s first day back at Acocks Green today, on the 72. It was on the 6 yesterday
7021 still at YW out on the 6 this morning seen in Solihull Town Centre around 08:30-08:40
For anyone looking for the recently transferred geminis
4638 - all day 37
4639 - 31
4640 - 5
4641 was on the 73 today - weird sounding air brakes - sounded more like a whistle than a hiss.
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 22, 2014, 06:55:16 PM
4641 was on the 73 today - weird sounding air brakes - sounded more like a whistle than a hiss.
Quote from: Ashley on August 22, 2014, 03:41:15 PM
For anyone looking for the recently transferred geminis
4638 - all day 37
4639 - 31
4640 - 5
This is depressing :'(. 4637 was on the 83/89s yesterday, so I don't know if that's moved yet. Is it just 4636/7 and 4641/2 left at WB now?
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 22, 2014, 10:25:56 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 22, 2014, 06:55:16 PM
4641 was on the 73 today - weird sounding air brakes - sounded more like a whistle than a hiss.
Quote from: Ashley on August 22, 2014, 03:41:15 PM
For anyone looking for the recently transferred geminis
4638 - all day 37
4639 - 31
4640 - 5
This is depressing :'(. 4637 was on the 83/89s yesterday, so I don't know if that's moved yet. Is it just 4636/7 and 4641/2 left at WB now?
4635-4637 are still @ WB & 4638-4642 are now back @ AG :)
John O'Shea, the former Labour councillor for Acocks Green ward, has today posted on the Acocks Green Village Facebook page that the 31 service is to be rerouted and will serve Olton Boulevard East and Gospel Lane again, probably from 26th October:
QuoteI am delighted to be able to report that National Express West Midlands have agreed to return the 31 bus to the route along Olton Boulevard East and Gospel Lane. Service 1 will continue along Pool Farm Road and Pollard Road.
Cllr Stewart Stacey, Cllr Jess Philips and I had a tremendous response to our petition - hundreds of people supported a return to the original route. We have had complaints from residents along Olton Boulevard, protesting the loss of any bus service and we have had complaints from Pool Farm Road about 12 buses an hour (one count saw 17 buses in an hour) travelling down that narrow road. I have even had complaints from businesses in the Village, who have reported a drop in footfall that they directly attribute to the loss of the bus service.
We consulted local residents a few weeks ago on an alternate plan put forward by NXWM to run all services along Dolphin Lane and Thornfield Road, but overwhelmingly, the response was in favour of the original route.
I met CENTRO and NXWM last week and we had a full discussion of all the issues around the route. The outcome was that NXWM have agreed to reverse their original decision.
The exact timetables have yet to be confirmed, but I expect a 20 minute daytime frequency on both routes once the services return on the 26th October. It is worth noting that the Service 1 only operates between the city centre and Acocks Green Village in the evenings.
The level of public support was crucial in persuading National Express to change their minds. so thank you to everyone for your backing - it gave real force to our arguments. Thanks are also due to CENTRO for their support for residents and to NXWM for correcting their mistake.
https://www.facebook.com/279870852036330/photos/a.383021528387928.87122.279870852036330/787230401300370/?type=1&theater
Looks like 2120 has had a full repaint. Saw it in Dale End this evening
Quote from: John on September 15, 2014, 09:08:20 PM
Looks like 2120 has had a full repaint. Saw it in Dale End this evening
Was done for the bus driver of the year. It also now has 'Motorway tyres' a digital tachograph and a speed limiter set at 62mph
Quote from: John on September 15, 2014, 09:08:20 PM
Looks like 2120 has had a full repaint. Saw it in Dale End this evening
Photo here - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gcbp/15050311840/in/
Quote from: Kiewii on September 16, 2014, 01:01:16 PM
Quote from: John on September 15, 2014, 09:08:20 PM
Looks like 2120 has had a full repaint. Saw it in Dale End this evening
Photo here - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gcbp/15050311840/in/
Certainly doesn't look as good as the others, with the horrible white fleet name on the side leaving a huge white area which looks unfinished and a huge fleet name on the front! Why can't NXWM ever keep buses looking the same!
I thought it looked better actually - it has the new bright red paint which doesn't fade to a pinkish red, as the others have done and the livery fits in with the recent Scania refurbs which have the same design. Glad NX have done it - It's virtually the same as it's previous livery anyway, apart from the name being put on the top in the middle.
Quote from: Kiewii on September 16, 2014, 01:01:16 PM
Quote from: John on September 15, 2014, 09:08:20 PM
Looks like 2120 has had a full repaint. Saw it in Dale End this evening
Photo here - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gcbp/15050311840/in/
Good to see that they kept the black destination surround, unlike on the front end repaint of 2142.
2120 is now the best looking Eclipse 2 I think
I saw a Gemini that was on the 11C today, newly repainted and had also been named as it had the red oval on the offside. No idea which as I was too far away to see it properly
Quote from: John on September 24, 2014, 09:59:34 PM
I saw a Gemini that was on the 11C today, newly repainted and had also been named as it had the red oval on the offside. No idea which as I was too far away to see it properly
Will be 4679. I don't know what the name is though
Quote from: Tony on September 24, 2014, 10:14:42 PM
Quote from: John on September 24, 2014, 09:59:34 PM
I saw a Gemini that was on the 11C today, newly repainted and had also been named as it had the red oval on the offside. No idea which as I was too far away to see it properly
Will be 4679. I don't know what the name is though
4679 has been named Steve Widdows and is currently out on the 73 if anybody wants to catch it. :)
4637 on the 31.
Quote from: Ashley on September 16, 2014, 04:16:12 PM
2120 is now the best looking Eclipse 2 I think
2120 was back out on the 71 or 72 yesterday first time I've seen it back since its repaint it definitely looks smart.
Been out all this week on AG routes - saw it on Monday and it looks brand new again now!
4648 is making a strange whistling noise and it sounds like a girl in a horror movie screaming
it's quite scary
4517 was on the 11A this afternoon
Quote from: John on September 29, 2014, 07:55:06 PM
4517 was on the 11A this afternoon
Transferred on Saturday
There was a gemini that had it's front bumper gone whilst it was towed, it was towed from the engine side. What was it?
Quote from: John on September 29, 2014, 07:55:06 PM
4517 was on the 11A this afternoon
Hopefully 4518 will follow suit ;D ::). AG can have it back. Will 4518-4531 be transferring out of WB?
Maybe they will. If 4517-34 do all leave for AG and WA, I would that would make 52 vehicles gone with 52 new in at WB.
8 Darts, 9 B6LEs, 2 ALX400s, 7 Mercs and 26 Geminis would have gone including the 46xx ones.
Quote from: uniquicity on September 29, 2014, 09:18:54 PM
Maybe they will. If 4517-34 do all leave for AG and WA, I would that would make 52 vehicles gone with 52 new in at WB.
8 Darts, 9 B6LEs, 2 ALX400s, 7 Mercs and 26 Geminis would have gone including the 46xx ones.
I'm sad to see the 46**s go! and I'll be sad if 4526 goes, great bus that one. I guess we won't know until the Enviro delivery is finished, given those figures, certainly seems that 4517-34 will all leave though
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 29, 2014, 09:22:08 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on September 29, 2014, 09:18:54 PM
Maybe they will. If 4517-34 do all leave for AG and WA, I would that would make 52 vehicles gone with 52 new in at WB.
8 Darts, 9 B6LEs, 2 ALX400s, 7 Mercs and 26 Geminis would have gone including the 46xx ones.
I'm sad to see the 46**s go! and I'll be sad if 4526 goes, great bus that one. I guess we won't know until the Enviro delivery is finished, given those figures, certainly seems that 4517-34 will all leave though
Question is, what are they replacing at AG? Presidents?
I for one am very glad! Returning home and rightly so!
Quote from: uniquicity on September 29, 2014, 09:18:54 PM
Maybe they will. If 4517-34 do all leave for AG and WA, I would that would make 52 vehicles gone with 52 new in at WB.
8 Darts, 9 B6LEs, 2 ALX400s, 7 Mercs and 26 Geminis would have gone including the 46xx ones.
4 B6LE'S 8 MERCS 1 PRESIDENT 8 DARTS 2 B7TL 11 GEMINI LEFT WB SO FAR I THINK,
WITH 7 B6LE'S TO LEAVE & POSS 2 PRESIDENTS?
That leaves about 9 remaining by my count?
Quote from: John on September 29, 2014, 07:55:06 PM
4517 was on the 11A this afternoon
4517 was out on the 73 today. Got a pic of it the link is below.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/15398324231/
Quote from: Rob2832 on September 30, 2014, 02:55:39 PM
Quote from: John on September 29, 2014, 07:55:06 PM
4517 was on the 11A this afternoon
4517 was out on the 73 today. Got a pic of it the link is below.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/15398324231/
So much for AG having an all-LED display fleet then! ::)
Heres hoping they all get repainted/refurbed to the same standard as PBs once everything is in Red and White! Maybe even a return of the famous Outer Circle branding in a years time? :P
4671-5 (crazy cooling fan)
4636-31
Quote from: Rob2832 on September 30, 2014, 02:55:39 PM
Quote from: John on September 29, 2014, 07:55:06 PM
4517 was on the 11A this afternoon
4517 was out on the 73 today. Got a pic of it the link is below.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/114083385@N05/15398324231/
That looks so weird. A dot-matrix Gemini on an AG route. It would look even stranger on the Outer Circle. I've got so used to seeing them on WB routes and seeing only LED Geminis on AG routes
On the 11A/C, if one was to board at Perry Barr Crown and Cushion, what the furthest one could go round the circle if one wanted on a £2.10 single?
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 03, 2014, 11:52:34 AM
On the 11A/C, if one was to board at Perry Barr Crown and Cushion, what the furthest one could go round the circle if one wanted on a £2.10 single?
Perry Barr Crown & Cushion
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 03, 2014, 03:27:52 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 03, 2014, 11:57:14 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 03, 2014, 11:52:34 AM
On the 11A/C, if one was to board at Perry Barr Crown and Cushion, what the furthest one could go round the circle if one wanted on a £2.10 single?
Perry Barr Crown & Cushion
Interesting question Tom, do i assume that there is no terminus on the 11A/C so a single ticket gives you a journey on the whole circle rather than just to Acocks Green?
There is no terminus on the 11A/C unless it's an 11E short working. There may be a brief wait of a few minutes at the Garage stops on Westley Road (11A) or Fox Hollies Road (11C) if drivers change over.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 03, 2014, 03:27:52 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 03, 2014, 11:57:14 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 03, 2014, 11:52:34 AM
On the 11A/C, if one was to board at Perry Barr Crown and Cushion, what the furthest one could go round the circle if one wanted on a £2.10 single?
Perry Barr Crown & Cushion
Interesting question Tom, do i assume that there is no terminus on the 11A/C so a single ticket gives you a journey on the whole circle rather than just to Acocks Green?
I answered the question, so why the continued debate?
4662 has a loose connection somewhere, on it atm on the 5 and every time it turns right the horn goes off
4062 was on the 1e with an extremely crazy cooling fan.
I didn't realise the 966 terminates in Solihull Town Centre now opposed to the station. I takes it this was part of the changes Sunday?
I have only seen the destination so I presume it's terminating in the town centre!
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on October 28, 2014, 07:16:10 AM
I didn't realise the 966 terminates in Solihull Town Centre now opposed to the station. I takes it this was part of the changes Sunday?
I have only seen the destination so I presume it's terminating in the town centre!
Timetable on the website says it terminates at the station?
Was probably running late or an error.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on October 28, 2014, 11:53:07 AM
Was probably running late or an error.
Saw it twice now. I'll have a look if I see one on the way home!
EDIT: seen a couple more all displaying Solihull Town Centre, also I'm sure one used the Lode Lane Link Road to get into the town centre and the one after seemed to swap drivers in the town centre.
Nx timetable shows it terminating in the Town Centre
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on October 28, 2014, 03:24:25 PM
Nx timetable shows it terminating in the Town Centre
Looks like they've edited it since I looked at it last.
That is surprising you would think that is the one service that would need to terminate at the station to give rail passengers link to NEC. I suppose if it improves reliability then needs must.
Does the 966 generally leave Solihull if good/full loadings, not used in years?
Yes, I thought theyed keep the link. I'm sure there's a few regulars from the station who use it.
The loads are pretty decent on it I think, I remember when it was converted to single deck (due to low tree branches?) and of an evening especially it was a full standing load!
From my own observations, most buses leave the rail station practically empty, most passengers get on in the town. Likewise, most buses empty all the passengers on arrival in the town centre, and run empty to the station.
Still plenty of buses frequently running to and from the station for passengers to change onto, otherwise the station is only a five minute walk away.
I'd have thought that the 966 from the station was a link worth keeping and promoting. It seems to me that vehicles on most routes leave the station with few passengers. In my experience 966s always seemed to have some time to while away at the station, so I don't think there was a reliability problem.
I always thought the 966 stopped being useful as a direct link from solihull station to the airport and NEC when it was re-routed around Damsonwood
I got on 4074 to get back to garage from the 16 this morning, and noticed that one of the fold down seats has the old Stagecoach grey/red/orange moquette (this one https://www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/3558225893/). Looked quite new as well, like it had been recently replaced
1899 has been on loan for the past couple of days, a very shabby ride awful bus
I agree about 1899 - had it on the 6 a few weeks ago, just after it had transferred from WA - gearbox is jumpy at lower speeds, the suspension towards the rear is poor, and unlike the AG and YW 19XX Scanias, it vibrates at idle. Externally also shabby, with the one faded front red background light. Although not as bad as 7023....
Did Scania mod the engines for the 19XX versions at AG/YW - the Omnilinks before those seem to vibrate heavily when idle.
Definitely something different about them, and the ex Dundee ones, they sound completely different to the originals to me.
4519 back from refurb out on 37s today - left AG at 13:34 heading for Birmingham
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 13, 2014, 01:34:37 PM
4519 back from refurb out on 37s today - left AG at 13:34 heading for Birmingham
Did you notice if its had a retrim?
Quote from: Winston on November 13, 2014, 01:36:40 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 13, 2014, 01:34:37 PM
4519 back from refurb out on 37s today - left AG at 13:34 heading for Birmingham
Did you notice if its had a retrim?
I think it should have done, 4723 has, as have the next two out the paintshop, 4353 & 4627
Quote from: Tony on November 13, 2014, 06:19:25 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 13, 2014, 01:36:40 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 13, 2014, 01:34:37 PM
4519 back from refurb out on 37s today - left AG at 13:34 heading for Birmingham
Did you notice if its had a retrim?
I think it should have done, 4723 has, as have the next two out the paintshop, 4353 & 4627
Why/how did 1/2 escape without them?
Perhaps there was a delay/backlog in the retrimming shop? Had to get the buses back into service before the re-trimming could be done?
Quote from: Winston on November 13, 2014, 01:36:40 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 13, 2014, 01:34:37 PM
4519 back from refurb out on 37s today - left AG at 13:34 heading for Birmingham
Did you notice if its had a retrim?
Winston, It did have a retrim (:
Freshly painted 2112 out on the 71 today
AG have received quite a number of Gemini's. What are they replacing?
Quote from: Eric Shaw on November 20, 2014, 08:32:43 PM
AG have received quite a number of Gemini's. What are they replacing?
Presidents I think
Quote from: Eric Shaw on November 20, 2014, 08:32:43 PM
AG have received quite a number of Gemini's. What are they replacing?
Nothing (other than 4079)
Spotted a Gemini this morning (and then again this evening, not sure if it was the same one though) on the 11, with a Super-X display (not scrolling though).
Is it just me, or is the font style used a bit more difficult to see, especially from a distance?
I saw it today on a President too, looks awful and yes I agree it is actually more difficult to see!
Quote from: Tony on November 20, 2014, 08:59:32 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on November 20, 2014, 08:32:43 PM
AG have received quite a number of Gemini's. What are they replacing?
Nothing (other than 4079)
Has 4079 been officially withdrawn now
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 03, 2014, 10:18:58 PM
Quote from: Tara4352 on December 03, 2014, 10:10:02 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 20, 2014, 08:59:32 PM
Quote from: Eric Shaw on November 20, 2014, 08:32:43 PM
AG have received quite a number of Gemini's. What are they replacing?
Nothing (other than 4079)
Has 4079 been officially withdrawn now
Still in reserve fleet!
Before anyone asks, those vehicles I show as withdrawn are very unlikely to run again, those I show as reserve are being kept complete so if another similar vehicle suffers an incident that would be expensive to repair they can come back into use reasonably quickly. They are not a strategic reserve in the sense that a garage suffering short term availability problems can borrow them for a few days
Thats helpful Tony and makes good business sense.
I see they failed to fix the cooling fan problem on 4518, despite refurbishing it! It was on the 37 on Saturday, saw it from the train station platform, as soon as I saw it didn't have a tree deflector I knew it was 4518 straight away
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 16, 2014, 12:18:43 PM
I see they failed to fix the cooling fan problem on 4518, despite refurbishing it! It was on the 37 on Saturday, saw it from the train station platform, as soon as I saw it didn't have a tree deflector I knew it was 4518 straight away
The refurbishments comprise of bodywork / glazing / retrim & repaint only.
Any cooling fan issues could be done at garage level
I travelled on 4517 yesterday morning on the 31.
First impressions on seeing it pull up were very good, shiny exterior paintwork made it look brand new, and there was that definite 'new bus' smell from the freshly retrimmed seats. However, it was disappointing to see all the interior plastic body trim was filthy, and the floors and staircase also decidedly dirty.
I'm not sure what's involved with the interior of the buses when being refurbed, but if all the seats are removed to be retrimmed outside the bus, that's got to be a good time to give the plastics and floors a good scrubbing inside the bus.
Just my thoughts. Still a great bus to ride on, love the Geminis! ;)
4063 being towed by a Mansfield Truck from what it looked like from the garage heading for Birmingham (wed 6th jan)
Is 2120 still at AG?
@Winston - With its sisters at BC, will this one follow suit?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 11, 2015, 11:16:53 PM
@Winston - With its sisters at BC, will this one follow suit?
@Liverpool Street logic would say it might at some point?
@Winston since when did NXWM employ logic?
@the trainbasher moving the fleet around in blocks of fleetnumbers would seem fairly logical
Quote from: Winston on January 11, 2015, 11:25:54 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 11, 2015, 11:16:53 PM
@Winston - With its sisters at BC, will this one follow suit?
@Liverpool Street logic would say it might at some point?
@Winston , I'm surprised they didn't move 2120 instead of 2119 in the first place.
2120 has recently been repainted, which could be why 2119 has been transferred.
And also been fitted with a tachometer
Quote from: Winston on January 11, 2015, 11:31:36 PM
@the trainbasher moving the fleet around in blocks of fleetnumbers would seem fairly logical
Definitely........ Unless you're a Midland Red fan - their buses were seldom in large fleet number blocks - so NXWM may seem a little OCD on this matter to some.
Just wondering how long the 11A/C takes to do one circular of the outer circle
Quote from: Chris2301 on January 14, 2015, 06:37:09 PM
Just wondering how long the 11A/C takes to do one circular of the outer circle
Depends on the time of day and how bad the traffic is, takes anywhere between 2 to 2 and a half hours.
I was guna have a ride on an 11A and see what attractions it passes
Quote from: Chris2301 on January 14, 2015, 06:37:09 PM
Just wondering how long the 11A/C takes to do one circular of the outer circle
Depends on the time of day & day of week, varies between 2h15 and 2h50
It's a nice way to kill a couple of hours on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon ;)
Quote from: Tony on January 14, 2015, 06:55:35 PM
Quote from: Chris2301 on January 14, 2015, 06:37:09 PM
Just wondering how long the 11A/C takes to do one circular of the outer circle
Depends on the time of day & day of week, varies between 2h15 and 2h50
Thank you Tony and Stu. My dad was on about he did a walkathon event that used to take place in the eighties and said there were some nice places on the route
Quote from: Chris2301 on January 14, 2015, 07:46:51 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 14, 2015, 06:55:35 PM
Quote from: Chris2301 on January 14, 2015, 06:37:09 PM
Just wondering how long the 11A/C takes to do one circular of the outer circle
Depends on the time of day & day of week, varies between 2h15 and 2h50
Thank you Tony and Stu. My dad was on about he did a walkathon event that used to take place in the eighties and said there were some nice places on the route
Plenty of shops, takeaways, houses, hospitals, chavs, pubs, congestion but not all bad
There is Sarehole Mill on the route between King's Heath and Hall Green College - that's a nice little area.
Quote from: Liberator9 on January 14, 2015, 08:17:09 PM
There is Sarehole Mill on the route between King's Heath and Hall Green College - that's a nice little area.
And Bournville Green is very pleasant. And if you want any chocolate, Cadbury World is only a few mins walk away.
And of course Birmingham prison!
Wouldn't stop round that area to long
Just a thought, but if the 11 does get new buses, wouldn't it be an idea to have loudspeakers fitted and a commentrary of the route on certain journeys so those who are tourists/having a journey round the circle can identify the Landmarks?
@Stuharris 6360 Next Stop
Birmingham Prison
Have it in a Black Country accent to pizz the brummys off
@karl724223Destination Display - 11E Brumijum Prison
Real time Your next stop am Brumijum Prison
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 14, 2015, 09:44:57 PM
@karl724223
Destination Display - 11E Brumijum Prison
Real time Your next stop am Brumijum Prison
Winson Green surely!! It's like calling Wormwood Scrubs London prison!!
One of my first 'bus' memories is being taken round the Outer Circle route - on a BCT Daimler CVA6 of the 15xx GOE registered series! It probably took just as long.
Quote from: karl724223 on January 14, 2015, 09:40:13 PM
Have it in a Black Country accent to pizz the brummys off
Why not? Winston Green prison's full of yam yams anyway.
@don HM Prison Birmingham is it's official name.
@Mike K No. They're all at Featherstone nick
Suggestions for next stop announcements, Adrian Chiles or Noddy Holder lol. With additional announcements for when you reach one of the hospitals and football grounds "I love West Bromwich Albion" and "feeling a bit wooly headed?" Just a thought :D :P
Quote from: Mike K on January 14, 2015, 10:18:19 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on January 14, 2015, 09:40:13 PM
Have it in a Black Country accent to pizz the brummys off
Why not? Winston Green prison's full of yam yams anyway.
1st generation diesel multiple units???? ???
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 14, 2015, 10:35:31 PM
@don HM Prison Birmingham is it's official name.
I'm not surprised....... They change historic station names and districts of towns and cities as well - often not for the better.
Quote from: Ashley on January 14, 2015, 10:47:03 PM
Suggestions for next stop announcements, Adrian Chiles or Noddy Holder lol. With additional announcements for when you reach one of the hospitals and football grounds "I love West Bromwich Albion" and "feeling a bit wooly headed?" Just a thought :D :P
Definitely not chiles but Noddy Holder would be a laugh :D :D
Quote from: trident4370 on January 15, 2015, 12:20:47 AM
Quote from: Ashley on January 14, 2015, 10:47:03 PM
Suggestions for next stop announcements, Adrian Chiles or Noddy Holder lol. With additional announcements for when you reach one of the hospitals and football grounds "I love West Bromwich Albion" and "feeling a bit wooly headed?" Just a thought :D :P
Definitely not chiles but Noddy Holder would be a laugh :D :D
Isn't he from Wolverhampton - totally unsuitable for a Birmingham route. You need a proper Brummie - Jeff Lynne, Dora Bryant, Tony Hancock, Rusty Lee or Jasper Carrot.
Can we leave it there & get back on topic now please i.e. AG garage ;) Winston
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 14, 2015, 09:37:44 PM
Just a thought, but if the 11 does get new buses, wouldn't it be an idea to have loudspeakers fitted and a commentrary of the route on certain journeys so those who are tourists/having a journey round the circle can identify the Landmarks?
I think that's been suggested before, it might even have been me who suggested it. I'm not sure about running commentary though, that might annoy regular passengers! But some additional next stop information might be useful eg "Linden Road, Bournville Lane. Alight here for Cadbury World", or even some interchange information at major route crossings, eg "Church Road, Swan Island. Change here for buses to Airport and Coventry."
Quote from: Stu on January 15, 2015, 07:52:53 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 14, 2015, 09:37:44 PM
Just a thought, but if the 11 does get new buses, wouldn't it be an idea to have loudspeakers fitted and a commentrary of the route on certain journeys so those who are tourists/having a journey round the circle can identify the Landmarks?
I think that's been suggested before, it might even have been me who suggested it. I'm not sure about running commentary though, that might annoy regular passengers! But some additional next stop information might be useful eg "Linden Road, Bournville Lane. Alight here for Cadbury World", or even some interchange information at major route crossings, eg "Church Road, Swan Island. Change here for buses to Airport and Coventry."
@Stu So what you're suggesting would be like the Metro? Where it says e.g. Winson Green, Soho Rd, alight here for bus 11 Outer Circle
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 15, 2015, 07:56:16 AM
Quote from: Stu on January 15, 2015, 07:52:53 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 14, 2015, 09:37:44 PM
Just a thought, but if the 11 does get new buses, wouldn't it be an idea to have loudspeakers fitted and a commentrary of the route on certain journeys so those who are tourists/having a journey round the circle can identify the Landmarks?
I think that's been suggested before, it might even have been me who suggested it. I'm not sure about running commentary though, that might annoy regular passengers! But some additional next stop information might be useful eg "Linden Road, Bournville Lane. Alight here for Cadbury World", or even some interchange information at major route crossings, eg "Church Road, Swan Island. Change here for buses to Airport and Coventry."
@Stu So what your suggesting would be like the Metro? Where it says e.g. Winson Green, Soho Rd, alight here for bus 11 Outer Circle
Exactly! Same as they do on the Tube in London, just adds something extra to the next stop announcements, and might be helpful for people using the Outer Circle to change onto other services.
2111's CCTV video screen in the vestible for some reason displays as "2058"! Live transmission from Dundee??? :D
Quote from: Ossie on January 19, 2015, 07:02:56 PM
2111's CCTV video screen in the vestible for some reason displays as "2058"! Live transmission from Dundee??? :D
2111 has had that for some time
@Ossie :) I thought they would've sorted that by now I wonder if 2058 is displaying 2111 ;)
Quote from: Rob2832 on January 19, 2015, 07:11:31 PM
2111 has had that for some time @Ossie :) I thought they would've sorted that by now I wonder if 2058 is displaying 2111 ;)
I can confirm that 2058 is in fact showing CCTV from bus 2058...
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 15, 2015, 07:56:16 AM
Quote from: Stu on January 15, 2015, 07:52:53 AM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 14, 2015, 09:37:44 PM
Just a thought, but if the 11 does get new buses, wouldn't it be an idea to have loudspeakers fitted and a commentrary of the route on certain journeys so those who are tourists/having a journey round the circle can identify the Landmarks?
I think that's been suggested before, it might even have been me who suggested it. I'm not sure about running commentary though, that might annoy regular passengers! But some additional next stop information might be useful eg "Linden Road, Bournville Lane. Alight here for Cadbury World", or even some interchange information at major route crossings, eg "Church Road, Swan Island. Change here for buses to Airport and Coventry."
@Stu So what you're suggesting would be like the Metro? Where it says e.g. Winson Green, Soho Rd, alight here for bus 11 Outer Circle
I believe that might well be a worthwhile addition to the buses on the circuit. With the mileage they cover and it being a more then a bus route merely a tourist attraction the added detail herein the stop announcements would be cause of much excitement from our friends overseas. "Alight here to explore the depth and breadth of Bournville, home of Cadburys!"
I just wish its main users were a little more grateful and respectful of the uses NXWM facilitates.
They should announce the pubs as they come! Would make the 11 pub crawl amazing (and yes, that is a thing)
Quote from: Kevin on January 24, 2015, 07:04:18 PM
They should announce the pubs as they come! Would make the 11 pub crawl amazing (and yes, that is a thing)
Love it, like the Circle line crawl in the Smoke!
You'd probably find some killjoy complaining it offended teetotalers, Methodists or other anti-drinkers...
A regular on my Facebook page has commented about an increase in the number of single-deck Scania vehicles being used on the 966 service during the week.
The first thing I thought of is that seems to explain the increase in the number of Geminis being used on the 37 recently. Then I remembered the last time single decks were used regularly on the 966 a couple of years ago, was due to some overhanging trees, I think it was on Holly Lane in Erdington?
Are those same trees in need of a trim again, hence the use of singles?
Doubt it, the PB38 still uses deckers
Onto another subject, is there any update/news on the 11 branding? Haven't heard since the start of the 35 being branded...
Quote from: Stu on January 29, 2015, 07:26:44 PM
A regular on my Facebook page has commented about an increase in the number of single-deck Scania vehicles being used on the 966 service during the week.
The first thing I thought of is that seems to explain the increase in the number of Geminis being used on the 37 recently. Then I remembered the last time single decks were used regularly on the 966 a couple of years ago, was due to some overhanging trees, I think it was on Holly Lane in Erdington?
Are those same trees in need of a trim again, hence the use of singles?
When? The only one this week is 7019 which came on at 15:29 today as a change bus for 4041
Quote from: Tony on January 29, 2015, 07:51:24 PM
Quote from: Stu on January 29, 2015, 07:26:44 PM
A regular on my Facebook page has commented about an increase in the number of single-deck Scania vehicles being used on the 966 service during the week.
The first thing I thought of is that seems to explain the increase in the number of Geminis being used on the 37 recently. Then I remembered the last time single decks were used regularly on the 966 a couple of years ago, was due to some overhanging trees, I think it was on Holly Lane in Erdington?
Are those same trees in need of a trim again, hence the use of singles?
When? The only one this week is 7019 which came on at 15:29 today as a change bus for 4041
Sadly, I can't verify these observations myself, as I don't personally see the 966 route during the week, so I'm just going by what others have posted.
https://www.facebook.com/westmidlandsbususers/posts/857921534269270?comment_id=859877194073704&offset=0&total_comments=8¬if_t=feed_comment
Posted on 26th January:
QuoteOver the past couple of weeks I've noticed more single decker a being used on the 966 route. What is going on?
And on 27th January:
QuoteI seen to singles one about 9:30 and another about 12:30. Why was a 37 branded vehicle on the 966.
I wouldn't take anything that guy says as gospel, he's always on the NWM fb page slating somebody or other for something.
Quote from: trident4370 on January 29, 2015, 08:53:35 PM
I wouldn't take anything that guy says as gospel, he's always on the NWM fb page slating somebody or other for something.
Oh yeah, he's a right moaner, I know, I just had to ask the question just for my own curiosity!
Quote from: Stu on January 29, 2015, 08:55:06 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on January 29, 2015, 08:53:35 PM
I wouldn't take anything that guy says as gospel, he's always on the NWM fb page slating somebody or other for something.
Oh yeah, he's a right moaner, I know, I just had to ask the question just for my own curiosity!
I haven't got full records for the 26th, but on the 27th every journey was operated by double decks
966-01 was 4661
966-02 was 4636
966-03 was 4667
966-04 was 4665
966-05 was 4023
966-06 was 4639
966-07 was 4657
There were no breakdowns, every journey ran (not always on time, but did run) and there are no journeys on the 966 on other running boards!
Thanks for that clarification Tony, looks like someone on my page is seeing things then! :D
Saw 4635 today (actually saw it yesterday on the 37 too, but forgot the fleetnumber) on the 31, and noticed two things about it:
- it has gained a 'mega-rear' advert for Twycross Zoo. Presumably once the contract for this has finished, it will be at the end of the line for AG Gemini refurbs?
- The front display looks awful! It had a big chunky 31 on the left of the display, above the driver, and just alternated between 'Solihull' and 'via Gospel Oak' in the big 'curly' Super-X font. :o (It's due past my house in about 15mins so will try and have a look if the toward Birmingham display is the same style)
4636 also has the Twycross mega rear too.
Any news on 11 branding?
Quote from: Gareth on February 15, 2015, 05:13:12 PM
4636 also has the Twycross mega rear too.
So does 4637
AG Scania at Oak Lane today. 1941?
Saw 1918 on the 72 in chelmsley wood earlier......it seems that 1918 is a replacement for 1931 that was sent to YW im guessing to cover 1918 whilst it was being repaired
1918 was moved to AG garage on its return as a mark of respect to YW driver that died behind the wheel & colleagues, Winston
I was on the 8C on Highgate road when I saw 4670 behind already displaying 11C. Finally the two meet. ;)
4678 on the 5 had to do a reverse move in Solihull Town Centre this morning around 09:25/09:30 the driver accidently turned into Solihull Town Centre from Warwick Road. I recorded a clip of it doing the move link is below. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiHF6xPl_us
Quote from: Rob2832 on March 02, 2015, 11:57:25 AM
4678 on the 5 had to do a reverse move in Solihull Town Centre this morning around 09:25/09:30 the driver accidently turned into Solihull Town Centre from Warwick Road. I recorded a clip of it doing the move link is below. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiHF6xPl_us&index=4&list=WL
Why does the Gemini make a "tut" noise?
For anyone wondering 4673 is on the 11C today.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on March 02, 2015, 03:53:29 PM
Quote from: Rob2832 on March 02, 2015, 11:57:25 AM
4678 on the 5 had to do a reverse move in Solihull Town Centre this morning around 09:25/09:30 the driver accidently turned into Solihull Town Centre from Warwick Road. I recorded a clip of it doing the move link is below. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiHF6xPl_us&index=4&list=WL
Why does the Gemini make a "tut" noise?
For anyone wondering 4673 is on the 11C today.
Its the brakes as pressure is released ever so slightly on the brake pedal (at least I think thats what it is)
Where do the buses lay over now if they are not terminating at the station?
The 6/76/49 all do a loop round by John Lewis, the Police Station and Church. Then come up the Warwick Road to outside Argos. They then layover there - had 3 Route 6 Scanias parked up at one point this evening laying over - causing a bit of a queue!
The 37 is still going to the Station but does a loop of Poplar Road before going into there.
The others are dropping off at Lode Lane, then if they are early, go up to the Station to layover, coming down to Poplar Road when it's time. Plenty of room at the station to do that now as the 6/76/49 have all left there till October.
All details are here:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/gateway/gateway.aspx
Quote from: Rob2832 on March 02, 2015, 11:57:25 AM
4678 on the 5 had to do a reverse move in Solihull Town Centre this morning around 09:25/09:30 the driver accidently turned into Solihull Town Centre from Warwick Road. I recorded a clip of it doing the move link is below. :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiHF6xPl_us
Thanks Rob - the videos are very interesting.
With big changes like this, one or two errors are bound to happen - good that turning 4678 round wasn't a drama. However, I was very pleased to see the impatient car driver get his due reward! Brilliant!
4668 was seen near the Tesco in Spring Hill, Hockley/Ladywood.
Anybody knows what it was doing there? It wasn't in service. If it weren't going back to depot, I can only assume it would start an 11 journey from Dudley Road, which I think is quite unlikely...
1915 having a day on the 37 it seems - left Solihull for City at around 13:30.
Are OmniLinks on AG5 rare on a Sunday? This is because 7021 was on there around 1550
Quote from: Alex on March 08, 2015, 09:07:15 PM
Are OmniLinks on AG5 rare on a Sunday? This is because 7021 was on there around 1550
No
Quick question:
Do the 71 and 72 interwork on weekdays? I know they used to but unsure as to whether they do now.
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 10, 2015, 10:08:43 AM
Quick question:
Do the 71 and 72 interwork on weekdays? I know they used to but unsure as to whether they do now.
No the 71 & 72 don't interwork anymore since their frequencies changed :)
@Rob2832 :) Thanks Rob for clearing that up for me
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 10, 2015, 03:56:34 PM
@Rob2832
:) Thanks Rob for clearing that up for me
@Liberator9 No Worries buddy anything I can help with :)
@Rob2832 Thanks :)
Thought I'd just add my thanks for your youtube channel as well actually - some great videos of the local trains and buses in the region!
Is their any proper place 1 could get a proper shot of the place, I've taken a few good shots although it's on the Fox Hollies - Westley Road corner although I wish I could get closer.
4635 has a different front display for the 11C
it says "11C Outer Circle"
no via points or anything
Quote from: BusFan on March 12, 2015, 09:26:55 PM
Is their any proper place 1 could get a proper shot of the place, I've taken a few good shots although it's on the Fox Hollies - Westley Road corner although I wish I could get closer.
A simple answer, no.
What was the reason for changing the Volvo b7tl headlights to circlular
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 14, 2015, 07:11:29 PM
What was the reason for changing the Volvo b7tl headlights to circlular
I think the other ones were faulty. I've heard that off somewhere.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 14, 2015, 07:11:29 PM
What was the reason for changing the Volvo b7tl headlights to circlular
It was hard for the old style rectangular light frame to be refitted by the fitters accurately. The current circular ones were much easier
According to the Solihull Council website, NXWM are contributing to the Lode Lane Enhancements by upgrading the buses on the 957 (already believed to be 'Platinum') and the 71! so does this mean more new buses for the 71?
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on March 15, 2015, 07:42:56 PM
According to the Solihull Council website, NXWM are contributing to the Lode Lane Enhancements by upgrading the buses on the 957 (already believed to be 'Platinum') and the 71! so does this mean more new buses for the 71?
I don't know how much of this is true, but according to someone who posted on my Facebook page, apparently Acocks Green will be receiving new E200 MMCs. ???
From what I've seen elsewhere, there is to be some kind of emmisions zone introduced in Solihull. The future plans for Acocks Green vehicle allocation looks most interesting!
So looks like the 71 could get some E200MMCs - Volvo B7s to CV or PE to replace Mercs?
Sure the Scanias on the 37 would be due a refurb this year - seats inside need retrimming.
I'll make one radical guess for AG this year - Scanias moving onto the 5 - Geminis currently on there move onto the 11.
Wonder can the 71 become DD now it doesn't do the radleys tunnel.
If the 71 got 200, they would have to make it into a 10 min service
Not necessarily - the largest E200MMC can hold 46 passengers in a 11.8m version.
http://www.alexander-dennis.com/wp-content/files_mf/1415203579Enviro200Specification.pdf
That's 3 more than the current Scanias/Volvos.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 15, 2015, 09:39:10 PM
Wonder can the 71 become DD now it doesn't do the radleys tunnel.
Low bridge in Minworth
I'd hope we'd get new E400 MMCs on the 37. We're very posh in Solihull and shouldn't have to put up with 5-year old buses!
Quote from: Stevo on March 16, 2015, 12:05:29 PM
I'd hope we'd get new E400 MMCs on the 37. We're very posh in Solihull and shouldn't have to put up with 5-year old buses!
No wonder why us deaf people sign Solihull "posh". ::)
Quote from: Stevo on March 16, 2015, 12:05:29 PM
I'd hope we'd get new E400 MMCs on the 37. We're very posh in Solihull and shouldn't have to put up with 5-year old buses!
The 37 is unlikely to see new E400MMC's, as the 'posh' people of Solihull & those along the route can't be trusted with double deckers due to amount of anti-social behavior/vandalism on board
You should be grateful you've only got 5 years old buses, a lot of other places still have to put up with much older buses!
Quote from: Stevo on March 16, 2015, 12:05:29 PM
I'd hope we'd get new E400 MMCs on the 37. We're very posh in Solihull and shouldn't have to put up with 5-year old buses!
Perhaps the people of Solihull should get a fleet of the poo-buses mentioned in another thread for the 37 as they're such effluent people!
Quote from: Roy on March 16, 2015, 01:16:47 PM
Quote from: Stevo on March 16, 2015, 12:05:29 PM
I'd hope we'd get new E400 MMCs on the 37. We're very posh in Solihull and shouldn't have to put up with 5-year old buses!
Perhaps the people of Solihull should get a fleet of the poo-buses mentioned in another thread for the 37 as they're such effluent people!
AG wouldn't be able to accommodate a fleet big enough to consume that much poo.....
Quote from: Roy on March 16, 2015, 01:16:47 PM
Quote from: Stevo on March 16, 2015, 12:05:29 PM
I'd hope we'd get new E400 MMCs on the 37. We're very posh in Solihull and shouldn't have to put up with 5-year old buses!
Perhaps the people of Solihull should get a fleet of the poo-buses mentioned in another thread for the 37 as they're such effluent people!
I suspect a lot of the affluence comes from other parts of the route.........................
Quote from: Winston on March 16, 2015, 12:30:37 PM
Quote from: Stevo on March 16, 2015, 12:05:29 PM
I'd hope we'd get new E400 MMCs on the 37. We're very posh in Solihull and shouldn't have to put up with 5-year old buses!
The 37 is unlikely to see new E400MMC's, as the 'posh' people of Solihull & those along the route can't be trusted with double deckers due to amount of anti-social behavior/vandalism on board
You should be grateful you've only got 5 years old buses, a lot of other places still have to put up with much older buses!
I use the 37 pretty much every day, and I'm pleased that incidents of anti-social behaviour are relatively rare. The worst I've seen have actually been in Solihull!
How many geminis on average make an appearance on the 11 of a Saturday?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 16, 2015, 07:11:43 PM
How many geminis on average make an appearance on the 11 of a Saturday?
2-4
Quote from: Matt on March 16, 2015, 07:22:55 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 16, 2015, 07:19:36 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 16, 2015, 07:11:43 PM
How many geminis on average make an appearance on the 11 of a Saturday?
2-4
Rhys are you the new allocator at Acocks Green then?
Have to say i thought it was more than 4!
Quote from: Matt on March 16, 2015, 07:22:55 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 16, 2015, 07:19:36 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 16, 2015, 07:11:43 PM
How many geminis on average make an appearance on the 11 of a Saturday?
2-4
Rhys are you the new allocator at Acocks Green then?
Well last Saturday was a normal average Saturday and 12 made an appearance, few more than 2-4!
Quote from: Stu on March 16, 2015, 06:45:13 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 16, 2015, 12:30:37 PM
Quote from: Stevo on March 16, 2015, 12:05:29 PM
I'd hope we'd get new E400 MMCs on the 37. We're very posh in Solihull and shouldn't have to put up with 5-year old buses!
The 37 is unlikely to see new E400MMC's, as the 'posh' people of Solihull & those along the route can't be trusted with double deckers due to amount of anti-social behavior/vandalism on board
You should be grateful you've only got 5 years old buses, a lot of other places still have to put up with much older buses!
I use the 37 pretty much every day, and I'm pleased that incidents of anti-social behaviour are relatively rare. The worst I've seen have actually been in Solihull!
Thinking about it, the 'posh' people of Solihull have had to have two routes converted from double deckers to single deckers due to high numbers of incidents i.e. YW 6 & AG 37.
I thought it was more to do with the issues they were having in Sparkbrook and Sparkhill - the burning of 4341 proved the exact reason why they try to avoid double deckers through there. On the 6 the only issues I've had are at Robin Hood Island and in Sparkbrook - three or four times had idiots trying to fare dodge. Cue the This Bus is under attack alarm...Other issues on the 6/37 were up in Sparkbrook where some loud mouthed idiots were onboard - remember one in a group once was about to light a cigarette but one of his mate's stopped him - wise on a single decker. Also had another get on there only going to light up his cigarette at the back.
Solihull can have its fair share of fools - had two people trying to open the emergency exit door on the S3 once, and a fight nearly broke out on the S3 under NX days.
Quote from: Winston on March 16, 2015, 07:38:24 PM
Quote from: Stu on March 16, 2015, 06:45:13 PM
Quote from: Winston on March 16, 2015, 12:30:37 PM
Quote from: Stevo on March 16, 2015, 12:05:29 PM
I'd hope we'd get new E400 MMCs on the 37. We're very posh in Solihull and shouldn't have to put up with 5-year old buses!
The 37 is unlikely to see new E400MMC's, as the 'posh' people of Solihull & those along the route can't be trusted with double deckers due to amount of anti-social behavior/vandalism on board
You should be grateful you've only got 5 years old buses, a lot of other places still have to put up with much older buses!
I use the 37 pretty much every day, and I'm pleased that incidents of anti-social behaviour are relatively rare. The worst I've seen have actually been in Solihull!
Thinking about it, the 'posh' people of Solihull have had to have two routes converted from double deckers to single deckers due to high numbers of incidents i.e. YW 6 & AG 37.
I was only referring to major anti-social behaviour in Solihull; most 'minor' anti-social behaviour (smoking and loud drunks) occurs between the city centre and Sparkhill. Using double-decks during the busy daytime period, and single-decks of an evening (as they do with the 31) would suit the 37 service, in my opinion.
Quote from: don on March 16, 2015, 04:18:59 PM
Quote from: Roy on March 16, 2015, 01:16:47 PM
Quote from: Stevo on March 16, 2015, 12:05:29 PM
I'd hope we'd get new E400 MMCs on the 37. We're very posh in Solihull and shouldn't have to put up with 5-year old buses!
Perhaps the people of Solihull should get a fleet of the poo-buses mentioned in another thread for the 37 as they're such effluent people!
I suspect a lot of the affluence comes from other parts of the route.........................
No, that's the effluent.
I would have thought, the posh people from Solihull don't use the 37, or the 6 for that matter.
Either car or train.
Before anyone bites my head off, I did say 'I would have thought'.
Quote from: Michael on March 16, 2015, 09:26:37 PM
I would have thought, the posh people from Solihull don't use the 37, or the 6 for that matter.
Either car or train.
Before anyone bites my head off, I did say 'I would have thought'.
You are probably right, they never use the bus until you get really bad snow and they can't get there car off the drive. Then they moan about the state of public transport. Had same experience when i worked for the railway, you tell people not to travel because you don't know how long the service will continue, they travel and then when all services are cancelled they moan about you.
I think you are right - most of the people in my road (and I'm not posh) come straight out of their front doors into their cars and wouldn't dream of using the bus. Sad!
I personally think the Scania's on the 37 are good enough, with a Gemini filling in during the peak times. Not every route can be a double decker plus It's seen improved anti social behaviors which can only be a good thing.
Quote from: BusFan on March 17, 2015, 07:16:44 PM
I personally think the Scania's on the 37 are good enough, with a Gemini filling in during the peak times. Not every route can be a double decker plus It's seen improved anti social behaviors which can only be a good thing.
I agree but one thing i have noticed is that the poles/bars in the Scanias are starting to fade into to a horrible Orange is this due to them being Twm buses before and they just need a lick of paint? or am i missing something
Quote from: Rhys S on March 17, 2015, 07:31:03 PM
Quote from: BusFan on March 17, 2015, 07:16:44 PM
I personally think the Scania's on the 37 are good enough, with a Gemini filling in during the peak times. Not every route can be a double decker plus It's seen improved anti social behaviors which can only be a good thing.
I agree but one thing i have noticed is that the poles/bars in the Scanias are starting to fade into to a horrible Orange is this due to them being Twm buses before and they just need a lick of paint? or am i missing something
Nope, the Scania's for the 37 were new in 2010 so in the NXWM er
Quote from: Nathan on March 17, 2015, 07:34:36 PM
Quote from: Rhys S on March 17, 2015, 07:31:03 PM
Quote from: BusFan on March 17, 2015, 07:16:44 PM
I personally think the Scania's on the 37 are good enough, with a Gemini filling in during the peak times. Not every route can be a double decker plus It's seen improved anti social behaviors which can only be a good thing.
I agree but one thing i have noticed is that the poles/bars in the Scanias are starting to fade into to a horrible Orange is this due to them being Twm buses before and they just need a lick of paint? or am i missing something
Nope, the Scania's for the 37 were new in 2010 so in the NXWM er
Oh thanks Nathan but one thing id like to Know is why are the bars and poles orange have they faded colour
I'm sorry Rhys, but they are not orange. They are the exact same red as the newer NX buses in the fleet and they have not faded. I use Scanias 5 days a week and I am yet to see a faded pole, or orange one.
well its mostly WA ones i forgot but have seen a few on the 37
Not seen any orange on the WA or AG example - we have ex WA examples at YW and no orange on them.
The poles on the AG Omnilinks are still red, Rhys. I catch the 37 every day so I should know! ;)
Quote from: Stu on March 17, 2015, 08:17:12 PM
The poles on the AG Omnilinks are still red, Rhys. I catch the 37 every day so I should know! ;)
ok but i defenetly now what i mean
The only thing that has faded on the 37 Omnilinks is the seating, same with the 6s. The BY omnilinks after refurbishment look new and they are older.
Quote from: Stu on March 17, 2015, 08:17:12 PM
The poles on the AG Omnilinks are still red, Rhys. I catch the 37 every day so I should know! ;)
Must be all those long hours they workski :)
Never seen orange hand poles on a scania, even the MERCS on T and V plates have red poles from new back in 1999 , thinking about it orange poles must be rarity nowadays.
Orange poles certainly are rare now.
@Bham Central Driver Like the "workski" reference there! ;)
I'm guessing Rhys means the poles across the windows in the buggy zone? I've seen plenty of those looking faded, on Walsall's, at least.
Quote from: N94 on March 17, 2015, 08:53:55 PM
I'm guessing Rhys means the poles across the windows in the buggy zone? I've seen plenty of those looking faded, on Walsall's, at least.
Correct!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Rhys S on March 17, 2015, 09:00:10 PM
Quote from: N94 on March 17, 2015, 08:53:55 PM
I'm guessing Rhys means the poles across the windows in the buggy zone? I've seen plenty of those looking faded, on Walsall's, at least.
Correct!!!!!!!!!!!
Pink and orange are two different colours though. ;)
;D
@Stu Well that fading hasn't happened at YW/AG; 1896 to 1904 are all in pretty good condition inside actually. PB/BY ones look brand new after their refurbs.
Why not just say the poles in buggy zone window area looking faded, wouldn't it have been easier and straight to the point.
Exactly
@2900 - I kept thinking he meant the whole bus. What next, orange seat handles?
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 17, 2015, 09:08:51 PM
Exactly @2900 - I kept thinking he meant the whole bus. What next, orange seat handles?
Next he will be telling us they have had a spray tan ::)
And what's that got to do with Acocks a green
Quote from: Rhys S on March 17, 2015, 09:47:48 PM
And what's that got to do with Acocks a green
I only answer to Moderators.
End of all this rubbish. In the near future I intend locking all the non-bus or train topics and giving week bans to anyone starting rubbish conversations that don't relate to buses!
Will acocks green be getting any new double deckers anytime soon to replace the aging presidents? (Not that there is anything wrong with them imo :) ) or will vehicles be cascaded down to replace them?
More likely to be Geminis at the moment that will replace most of the Presidents.
Quote from: Liberator9 on March 19, 2015, 06:49:47 AM
More likely to be Geminis at the moment that will replace most of the Presidents.
What will happen to the current batch of Presidents then ?! Will they be withdrawn ?!
Quote from: BusFan on March 19, 2015, 09:27:02 PM
What will happen to the current batch of Presidents then ?! Will they be withdrawn ?!
Most Likely thy will be withdrawn
Quote from: Rhys S on March 19, 2015, 09:49:52 PM
Most Likely thy will be withdrawn
Wait and see, you might be surprised
Quote from: Tony on March 19, 2015, 10:09:15 PM
Wait and see, you might be surprised
Could be transferred short term to another garage i suppose, Dundee?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 19, 2015, 10:14:24 PM
Could be transferred short term to another garage i suppose, Dundee?
The 94 will get them with branding.
@monkeyjoe they're too good for the 94...now the 904 they'd be suitable!
As their use in Birmingham is limited, maybe some new driver trainers? The Volvo blobs will be 20 this year.
Possibly they will transfer to Coventry to replace the mercs (short term)?
But something's got to go! If not Presidents, then what?
Quote from: lauren1993 on March 20, 2015, 03:29:40 AM
Possibly they will transfer to Coventry to replace the mercs (short term)?
I really can't see that happening
Quote from: Stevo on March 20, 2015, 09:52:49 AM
But something's got to go! If not Presidents, then what?
There's a fair few tired looking Tridents at BC. Whereas quite a lot of the Presidemts still look quite presentable and seem in good condition. If the withdrawal pool is 4023 to say 4350 then anything out of that block could be withdrawn probably based on condition - effectively anything needing much money spent could go. If you cast your mind back to Metrobus withdrawals, Fleetlines or even Birmingham standards they certainly didn't go in numeric order - similarly for, say 501-718 - 508 is still going but there only 14/15 left!
Quote from: don on March 20, 2015, 11:06:15 AM
There's a fair few tired looking Tridents at BC. Whereas quite a lot of the Presidemts still look quite presentable and seem in good condition. If the withdrawal pool is 4023 to say 4350 then anything out of that block could be withdrawn probably based on condition - effectively anything needing much money spent could go. If you cast your mind back to Metrobus withdrawals, Fleetlines or even Birmingham standards they certainly didn't go in numeric order - similarly for, say 501-718 - 508 is still going but there only 14/15 left!
I thought about 30 of the older Tridents were re-engined not long ago, surely these will stay or is that not so?
Quote from: filbus1 on March 20, 2015, 11:14:34 AM
I thought about 30 of the older Tridents were re-engined not long ago, surely these will stay or is that not so?
I believe the retrofit programme got cut short, only 9 x Y-reg Tridents were done & 3 x 54 plate Tridents
It's going to be interesting in a year or two to see if Tridents or B7TLs are favoured. I'm not sure which type other operators of both withdraw first. But this is in the AG thread - the only garage to have no Dennis or ADL products.
Quote from: Stevo on March 20, 2015, 08:00:57 PM
It's going to be interesting in a year or two to see if Tridents or B7TLs are favoured. I'm not sure which type other operators of both withdraw first. But this is in the AG thread - the only garage to have no Dennis or ADL products.
That may change in the next couple of months if the rumours are true.
Honestly speaking, I like the fact that Acocks Green doesn't have any ADL or Dennis vehicles, I quite like them but it's also nice to see a garage a bit different from the others !
Quote from: Stevo on March 20, 2015, 08:00:57 PM
It's going to be interesting in a year or two to see if Tridents or B7TLs are favoured. I'm not sure which type other operators of both withdraw first. But this is in the AG thread - the only garage to have no Dennis or ADL products.
Isn't BY made up of Omnilinks only? Technically speaking, AG is not really the only garage (without ADL/Dennis buses) then, is it? Sorry. Had to get it out. :)
Quote from: clayderman on March 20, 2015, 08:52:22 PM
Isn't BY made up of Omnilinks only? Technically speaking, AG is not really the only garage (without ADL/Dennis buses) then, is it? Sorry. Had to get it out. :)
Considering I go past it every other day on the 97, you'd think I'd know to bring that !!
Quote from: Stevo on March 20, 2015, 08:00:57 PM
It's going to be interesting in a year or two to see if Tridents or B7TLs are favoured. I'm not sure which type other operators of both withdraw first. But this is in the AG thread - the only garage to have no Dennis or ADL products.
I hope these rumours aren't true. But inevitably, what with the 5 year ADL deal, AG are bound to get some sort of ADL crap. It'd be nice if they'd got some B9TL/E400s (AFAIK only one sold to Arriva?), when they were around. I wonder if you can get the B5TL with an Enviro body.
I must ask this seeing as it's come up but whats the visual difference between a Transbus Trident and a B7TL ALX400 ?! They look virtually identical to me.
Quote from: BusFan on March 20, 2015, 10:54:41 PM
I must ask this seeing as it's come up but whats the visual difference between a Transbus Trident and a B7TL ALX400 ?! They look virtually identical to me.
Not a great deal, the rear grill to the engine compartment is the main difference offside on Volvo's & nearside on Tridents
Volvo (top picture)
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4248.html
Trident
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4432.html
Quote from: Winston on March 20, 2015, 10:59:35 PM
Not a great deal, the rear grill to the engine compartment is the main difference offside on Volvo's & nearside on Tridents
Volvo (top picture)
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4248.html
Trident
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4432.html
ok thanks, so a B7TL has a larger flank grill than a trident, I just fail to see any difference, I used to think BC has easily the largest allocation of Tridents but apparently many of them are volvo's !
Quote from: BusFan on March 20, 2015, 11:10:21 PM
ok thanks, so a B7TL has a larger flank grill than a trident, I just fail to see any difference, I used to think BC has easily the largest allocation of Tridents but apparently many of them are volvo's !
BC doesn't have any Volvo/ALX400s. The only ALX400s BC have are Tridents.
Quote from: BusFan on March 20, 2015, 11:10:21 PM
ok thanks, so a B7TL has a larger flank grill than a trident, I just fail to see any difference, I used to think BC has easily the largest allocation of Tridents but apparently many of them are volvo's !
I believe the B7TL versions have two rows of seats before the staircase. The Dennis versions have just the one.
Or have I got that the wrong way round?
Sorry I've not been on a bus for 2-3 years now.
Quote from: Michael on March 20, 2015, 11:31:14 PM
I believe the B7TL versions have two rows of seats before the staircase. The Dennis versions have just the one.
Or have I got that the wrong way round?
Sorry I've not been on a bus for 2-3 years now.
That is correct. An easy way to tell is the giant ugly grille next to the rear number display, as shown in https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8202474313/
Quote from: Abluhwleh on March 20, 2015, 11:34:05 PM
That is correct. An easy way to tell is the giant ugly grille next to the rear number display, as shown in https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8202474313/
Although 4415-24 don't have this grille (and 4234 after its deroofing)
Quote from: uniquicity on March 20, 2015, 11:46:49 PM
Although 4415-24 don't have this grille (and 4234 after its deroofing)
I must admit I did not know that. Don't get to see Coventry buses that much tbh. Thanks for letting me know.
Quote from: BusFan on March 20, 2015, 11:10:21 PM
ok thanks, so a B7TL has a larger flank grill than a trident, I just fail to see any difference, I used to think BC has easily the largest allocation of Tridents but apparently many of them are volvo's !
Being around the Volvo ALXs for nearly 10 years I can tell the difference without even thinking about it. Best way to tell the difference is the black surrounds around the front destination display. The bottom bit of the black surrounds is different on Trident/Volvo ALXs. If its smaller it's a Volvo, if not, its a Trident
Quote from: Sh4318 on March 20, 2015, 11:57:20 PM
Being around the Volvo ALXs for nearly 10 years I can tell the difference without even thinking about it. Best way to tell the difference is the black surrounds around the front destination display. The bottom bit of the black surrounds is different on Trident/Volvo ALXs. If its smaller it's a Volvo, if not, its a Trident
Your a lucky man, the closest I get is a journey on the 97 !
Quote from: Michael on March 20, 2015, 10:20:05 PM
I hope these rumours aren't true. But inevitably, what with the 5 year ADL deal, AG are bound to get some sort of ADL crap. It'd be nice if they'd got some B9TL/E400s (AFAIK only one sold to Arriva?), when they were around. I wonder if you can get the B5TL with an Enviro body.
Very few Volvo B9TL/AD E400s in the UK, 3 at London General, 5 at East Yorkshire and 1 was built and appeared in Arriva livery (SN56AWY) but no idea where that is, certainly not with any Arriva operator. Dublin Bus have lots of B9/AD E400s, and I think some were built for Hong Kong. Go South Coast have a B7TL with a E400 body which I think was a demonstrator.
Quote from: Cheese on March 21, 2015, 08:10:17 AM
Very few Volvo B9TL/AD E400s in the UK, 3 at London General, 5 at East Yorkshire and 1 was built and appeared in Arriva livery (SN56AWY) but no idea where that is, certainly not with any Arriva operator. Dublin Bus have lots of B9/AD E400s, and I think some were built for Hong Kong. Go South Coast have a B7TL with a E400 body which I think was a demonstrator.
SN56 AWY was never actually registered as such and seems to have disappeared into oblivion
Quote from: Abluhwleh on March 20, 2015, 11:53:07 PM
I must admit I did not know that. Don't get to see Coventry buses that much tbh. Thanks for letting me know.
I took this quick shot of Volvo B7TL/ALX400 4419 inside Coventry garage during the Sept 2013 open-day & tour:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/23917561@N03/15980819766/
No rear-end grill next to the fleet number, but it still has the same curvy-edged rear lower glass panel.
Quote from: paulb1973 on March 22, 2015, 11:18:51 AM
I took this quick shot of Volvo B7TL/ALX400 4419 inside Coventry garage during the Sept 2013 open-day & tour:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/23917561@N03/15980819766/
No rear-end grill next to the fleet number, but it still has the same curvy-edged rear lower glass panel.
Excellent photo, the Trident based ALX400 next to it really helps with the comparison. Plus there's a glimpse of a big ol diesel engine which always makes me happy...
Externally there are many differences in alx 400 b7tl, side on all the windows are of the same height, curved rear screen, the cooling vent next to destination display on the majority, side engine compartment doors different shape, internally cab is a major giveaway, lower saloon rear is different, upstairs two rows of seats in front of stairs. They tend to sound more muted than the trident counterparts, VOITH gearbox unmistakable on these buses.
How many of Acocks Green's buses are at the garage on a Sunday ?!
Sorry to forget BY when saying AG was the only depot with no ADLs. I think the easiest way to tell ALXs apart from a distance is the short window in the centre of the upper deck - it's much shorter on B7TLs. Earlier Tridents have a window behind the stairs on the offside lower deck, while B7TLs don't. But later Tridents don't either.
Why are Presidents allocated to the #73 route despite the emission rules in place ?!
Quote from: BusFan on March 24, 2015, 11:36:00 PM
Why are Presidents allocated to the #73 route despite the emission rules in place ?!
Is the 73 half hourly? If that's the case then that's why. It's not frequent enough for the emissions rule.
Quote from: BusFan on March 24, 2015, 11:36:00 PM
Why are Presidents allocated to the #73 route despite the emission rules in place ?!
Euro 2 emission rules don't apply to routes with a 30 minute frequency of less. The 73 is every 30 minutes so Presidents are fine
Thats quite convenient although the frequency appears to be more although the route is good as it helps alleviate the congestion with the 17
4519 is currently in Bearwood not in service because someone has broken the upper rear window
I've started noticing a 37 branded bus on the 72 for over a week now. Is their something wrong with the B7RLEs or is it just an unusual working and I'm at the right place at the right time ?!
The 72 is always a mixture of Volvo and Scania. So a branded example from the 37 sometimes slips through.
I think it's the Geminis on the 37, displacing the Scanias onto other routes.
The MD has confirmed today that AG is to receive 50 new Enviro 200 full length Single decks in Crimson livery to operate the 37, 71 & 72 routes
Quote from: Tony on April 10, 2015, 04:13:10 PM
The MD has confirmed today that AG is to receive 50 new Enviro 200 full length Single decks in Crimson livery to operate the 37, 71 & 72 routes
Fantastic ! What will happen to the existing Omnilinks and B7RLEs ?!
Quote from: Tony on April 10, 2015, 04:13:10 PM
The MD has confirmed today that AG is to receive 50 new Enviro 200 full length Single decks in Crimson livery to operate the 37, 71 & 72 routes
So E200MMC's then...
Quote from: BusFan on April 10, 2015, 04:19:57 PM
Fantastic ! What will happen to the existing Omnilinks and B7RLEs ?!
I predict that Omnilinks to walsall see off the B10z and b7 rles to Pensnett to see off some mercs as pn had a few off AG a while back
Quote from: Tony on April 10, 2015, 04:13:10 PM
The MD has confirmed today that AG is to receive 50 new Enviro 200 full length Single decks in Crimson livery to operate the 37, 71 & 72 routes
Will these be amongst the first E200 MMC production?
The 35 Scanias could cascade Walsall B7s to Dundee. Also interesting that the number matches roughly the number of Presidents at AG.......
Good to hear this confirmed - as said before I expect the Scanias to go to WA to replace the Eclipse Urbans there and the B7RLEs at AG go to PE, replacing the Mercs. I'd hope the Scanias get a refurb when they move to WA, as the paint on some of them is scraped and the seats look worn out.
Any ideas for when they will be delivered - May/June?
Quote from: don on April 10, 2015, 05:33:28 PM
Will these be amongst the first E200 MMC production?
I think so. As far as i'm aware, I haven't seen others about, bar the only demonstrator and few mock-up images on ADL's website.
Personally, I wasn't, and quite frankly, still not a fan of the asymmetric front. I guess I can learn to cope with the rest of the body, but the front looks down-right hideous to me. I guess the design can be more attractive on a LWB chassis? ??? Hopefully, the new livery will be pulled off well on these single deckers... ;)
Quote from: Tony on April 10, 2015, 04:13:10 PM
The MD has confirmed today that AG is to receive 50 new Enviro 200 full length Single decks in Crimson livery to operate the 37, 71 & 72 routes
Oh, so the rumours were true!
Quote from: Tony on April 10, 2015, 04:13:10 PM
The MD has confirmed today that AG is to receive 50 new Enviro 200 full length Single decks in Crimson livery to operate the 37, 71 & 72 routes
these 3 routes are one of my local ones :)
looking forward to see these when they are in service
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on April 10, 2015, 07:27:28 PM
these 3 routes are one of my local ones :)
looking forward to see these when they are in service
Same here, I catch the 37 every day, will miss the Omnilinks as they are good solid buses, but will look forward to seeing these new E200MMCs in action. And I hope to be one of the first people in this country to catch one!
Quote from: Tony on April 10, 2015, 04:13:10 PM
The MD has confirmed today that AG is to receive 50 new Enviro 200 full length Single decks in Crimson livery to operate the 37, 71 & 72 routes
Fantastic :) Looking forward to seeing these in action.
Quote from: Rob2832 on April 10, 2015, 08:02:18 PM
Fantastic :) Looking forward to seeing these in action.
I Know, on East Birmingham routes through Castle Bromwich, I am sure there must be a mistake in the MD's announcement!
Funny that really - didn't think East Birmingham ever got new buses ;D
Also an indirect upgrade for the 1 (peaks and Sundays), S1, 31 (evenings) and 966 (Sundays). 8)
That's true of course - the S1 gets an upgrade as well. Keep forgetting about that route. This is where I wish NX still ran the S2/S3 - would've had these instead of useless Solo SRs :(
Quote from: Liberator9 on April 10, 2015, 08:33:16 PM
That's true of course - the S1 gets an upgrade as well. Keep forgetting about that route. This is where I wish NX still ran the S2/S3 - would've had these instead of useless Solo SRs :(
The S2/3/4 get Hybrid Versas, not Solo SR's (The S11/15 get the SRs) :)
I live on the S2 so know the operations like the back of my hand - two of the boards on the S2/S4 are Solo SRs, with one board allocated a Versa. Then the S11/15 as you say has a Solo SR. MFV hasn't been out on the routes for ages so only MFY,MFX and MFZ are out currently. We get a fair bit of stuff really as the SRs are terrible in reliability terms - so tend you get knackered solos or their E200 dart; we had a Black Diamond Solo yesterday. :)
Could some of the Scanias be heading to Coventry to replace the mercs and possibly Geminis?
Quote from: lauren1993 on April 11, 2015, 05:08:20 AM
Could some of the Scanias be heading to Coventry to replace the mercs and possibly Geminis?
No. Coventry aren't getting any Scanias.
Quote from: lauren1993 on April 11, 2015, 05:08:20 AM
Could some of the Scanias be heading to Coventry to replace the mercs and possibly Geminis?
If anything is going to transfer to Cov would be more likely to be Eclipse 2s, seeing as Coventry already have some. ;)
The Geminis have still got a few years left in them, why would they need replacing?
Quote from: Stu on April 11, 2015, 10:26:17 AM
If anything is going to transfer to Cov would be more likely to be Eclipse 2s, seeing as Coventry already have some. ;)
The Geminis have still got a few years left in them, why would they need replacing?
I heard the Geminis were transferring to AG?
Quote from: lauren1993 on April 11, 2015, 05:02:20 PM
I heard the Geminis were transferring to AG?
They had a good deal before the Plaxtons arrived so that doesn't feel farfetched
It'll be good to be among the first in the country to be riding the new E200. I wonder if they'll have the ZF automated manual gearbox, as specified by Arriva and others, or the Voith like the earlier E200s.
I'll assume Voith considering all the recent Enviro deliveries have been - at least I hope so as the ZF automated manual isn't that great.
Quote from: Tony on April 10, 2015, 04:13:10 PM
The MD has confirmed today that AG is to receive 50 new Enviro 200 full length Single decks in Crimson livery to operate the 37, 71 & 72 routes
Do we know what fleet numbers they'll have? Presumably as full length vehicles they'll be in the 2000s, not the 800s. 2301-50 would be good because AG had Crossleys in that series - my avatar is AG's 2328.
Quote from: Stevo on April 12, 2015, 02:02:40 PM
Do we know what fleet numbers they'll have? Presumably as full length vehicles they'll be in the 2000s, not the 800s. 2301-50 would be good because AG had Crossleys in that series - my avatar is AG's 2328.
It's a bit early to tell, but I'd guess at them starting from 3001. Just for the benefit of the route allocators and AVL team. ;)
I've already suggested that the Platinums will be 3001 up. We'll see!
Quote from: Stu on April 12, 2015, 05:23:53 PM
It's a bit early to tell, but I'd guess at them starting from 3001. Just for the benefit of the route allocators and AVL team. ;)
I was told by an AG source they are 2201-50
Quote from: filbus1 on April 12, 2015, 05:31:46 PM
I was told by an AG source they are 2201-50
That would have been my second guess! I don't suppose your source knows when they will be coming?
Quote from: filbus1 on April 12, 2015, 05:31:46 PM
I was told by an AG source they are 2201-50
And 2226-2245 are numbers I associate with Acocks Green
Quote from: Stu on April 12, 2015, 05:45:31 PM
That would have been my second guess! I don't suppose your source knows when they will be coming?
I hope it's not any time soon.
But they wouldn't announce it if the deliveries are far away.
Quote from: Stu on April 12, 2015, 05:45:31 PM
That would have been my second guess! I don't suppose your source knows when they will be coming?
Probably late april into may and then the platinum routes
Quote from: Michael on April 12, 2015, 06:12:24 PM
I hope it's not any time soon.
But they wouldn't announce it if the deliveries are far away.
I know but maybe I should not say. Tony probably knows anyway
Would have liked Acocks Green to be Dennis free but oh well....
Quote from: Tony on April 12, 2015, 05:51:35 PM
And 2226-2245 are numbers I associate with Acocks Green
Me too - good buses. Now all we need to know is the number series for the Platinums.
Quote from: Cheese on March 21, 2015, 08:10:17 AM
Very few Volvo B9TL/AD E400s in the UK, 3 at London General, 5 at East Yorkshire and 1 was built and appeared in Arriva livery (SN56AWY) but no idea where that is, certainly not with any Arriva operator. Dublin Bus have lots of B9/AD E400s, and I think some were built for Hong Kong. Go South Coast have a B7TL with a E400 body which I think was a demonstrator.
@Cheese SN56 AWX was one that's still around. Bluestar seem to have it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5_2Bk1xx-M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5_2Bk1xx-M)
4666 had been involved in a front end collision with a car in cotteridge about 1915 today.
It will require some bumper and skirt repairs.it was on an 11 heading to bournville
Quote from: Michael on April 13, 2015, 01:06:41 AM
@Cheese SN56 AWX was one that's still around. Bluestar seem to have it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5_2Bk1xx-M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5_2Bk1xx-M)
Bluestar have awx the only b7 but arriva had awy which was a b9 and has dissapeared
Quote from: BU07 LGO on April 15, 2015, 01:08:50 AM
Bluestar have awx the only b7 but arriva had awy which was a b9 and has dissapeared
Must've been sold off or scrapped.
Quote from: crepello on April 14, 2015, 07:59:04 PM
4666 had been involved in a front end collision with a car in cotteridge about 1915 today.
It will require some bumper and skirt repairs.it was on an 11 heading to bournville
4666 now at Carlyle for repairs
Curious.
I know it's been confirmed on here that there will be new single decks for 37/71/72 routes... But, just saw a flyer plastered on a bus stop in Sutton town centre about the Lode Lane improvements, and it has an image of a Platinum E400 MMC displaying 957 (which is fair enough, that much we knew was going to happen) and a Crimson E400 MMC displaying "71 - Sutton Coldfield"
NX not relaying correct information to the advertising team?
Quote from: Kevin on April 19, 2015, 01:59:56 PM
Curious.
I know it's been confirmed on here that there will be new single decks for 37/71/72 routes... But, just saw a flyer plastered on a bus stop in Sutton town centre about the Lode Lane improvements, and it has an image of a Platinum E400 MMC displaying 957 (which is fair enough, that much we knew was going to happen) and a Crimson E400 MMC displaying "71 - Sutton Coldfield"
NX not relaying correct information to the advertising team?
I think NWM/Solihull council have just used the image from nxwms advertisement about the new buses, and just changed the route number/destination on the buses. It seems to be the same images as the one which was showing the buses in 126/X1 previously
They'd better not try E400s on the 71, not unless they want open-top versions!
I wouldn't read too much into an edited stock marketing graphic image. It's definitely single-decks for the 71.
4779 on 11c, must look incredible, wish I could have caught it, bet the person from Bearwood thinks he's getting an upgrade. Has anyone got a photo?
Quote from: Matt on April 21, 2015, 06:07:29 PM
Any idea where 4779 is - as I do not want to spend all evening looking for a bus that is not out
Back in Acocks Green garage now
1944 has now lost all of its 37 branding
Quote from: Tony on April 30, 2015, 06:28:12 PM
1944 has now lost all of its 37 branding
Noticed that this morning, can't remember if it was there when I caught it yesterday evening! (Got the same bus this evening too, easy to notice as it sports the destination in the larger font, which I prefer!)
4756 and 4758 parked in acocks green garage back car park so am guessing there awaiting there tranfer was it too full in yardley wood to keep them till they go ?
It occurs to me that if all of the Presidents, Omnilinks and B7RLEs are replaced at AG this year well over half the allocation will have been replaced.
1934 now de-branded from the 37 and I think its on the 72 but I'm not 100% sure.
Quote from: Rob2832 on May 04, 2015, 11:15:24 AM
1934 now de-branded from the 37 and I think its on the 72 but I'm not 100% sure.
1946 & 1952 are two more done
Ah this reminds me of when the Eclipse Urbans left AG.
I wonder if I'll get to drive the Scanias/Eclipse by the time I start at AG.
Do we think that Acocks Green in one of the most "profitable" garages, since they withdrew from South Solihull. The ratio of investment vs services etc it seems to get would lead me to that random conclusion, either AG or BY.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 04, 2015, 08:12:42 PM
Do we think that Acocks Green in one of the most "profitable" garages, since they withdrew from South Solihull. The ratio of investment vs services etc it seems to get would lead me to that random conclusion, either AG or BY.
Yes wonderful investment, not one new double deck bus for a fleet of 100 vehicles for over 11 years!
50 buses or whatever it is (25- 33%) of fleet isn't that bad. I think I might have a point even if like a lot of points for discussion gets accosted with the usual dose of sarcasm. Anyway I will never know, back to the day job lol.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 05, 2015, 08:37:12 PM
50 buses or whatever it is (25- 33%) of fleet isn't that bad. I think I might have a point even if like a lot of points for discussion gets accosted with the usual dose of sarcasm. Anyway I will never know, back to the day job lol.
But the 50 brand new buses will just be replacing what are otherwise the newest buses at that garage (single-decks). AG's youngest double-deck is 10 and a half years old.
Perhaps AG will get 4700-17 - they're 'only' 9 years old.
Quote from: Stevo on May 05, 2015, 10:19:21 PM
Perhaps AG will get 4700-17 - they're 'only' 9 years old.
I don't think it will happen as I mentioned in the WB thread if any Geminis are coming over Tony stated it was rumors if any were.
I was going through the fleet list and for 1932, it states it's been @ AG since 4/10 (Presumably delivered there) but the 1st picture shows it on an inbound 98 journey. I take it, it (At 1 point) must have been transferred to BC and back although it's not mentioned. Thought I'll give it a mention. :)
Quote from: BusFan on May 06, 2015, 07:46:45 PM
I don't think it will happen as I mentioned in the WB thread if any Geminis are coming over Tony stated it was rumors if any were.
I was going through the fleet list and for 1932, it states it's been @ AG since 4/10 (Presumably delivered there) but the 1st picture shows it on an inbound 98 journey. I take it, it (At 1 point) must have been transferred to BC and back although it's not mentioned. Thought I'll give it a mention. :)
It was a loan.
Having seen a photo of 2201, they do look very smart in the single deck variation of the new livery. Despite being an E200, I hope they seem substantial like other heavy duty single deckers, and not just an elongated midi bus.
Quote from: Gareth on May 07, 2015, 12:28:44 AM
Having seen a photo of 2201, they do look very smart in the single deck variation of the new livery. Despite being an E200, I hope they seem substantial like other heavy duty single deckers, and not just an elongated midi bus.
It doesn't look symmetrical at the front though unless thats just me. Long as there's some umph/noise from under the bonnet then all is well.
Quote from: Gareth on May 07, 2015, 12:28:44 AM
Having seen a photo of 2201, they do look very smart in the single deck variation of the new livery. Despite being an E200, I hope they seem substantial like other heavy duty single deckers, and not just an elongated midi bus.
What is the link to it?
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on May 07, 2015, 08:35:26 AM
What is the link to it?
I have permission to use that photo on my website, so I will put it on there around 7pm tonight
Looks like its had a stroke...
Quote from: N94 on May 07, 2015, 03:18:15 PM
AG 2106 on 1 - unusual for a weekday?
@N94, the 1 gets anything during the week, usually Presidents, but single-decks more likely to appear for the peak-time extra workings.
I'm dying to see the pic!
Quote from: Stevo on May 07, 2015, 09:58:31 PM
I'm dying to see the pic!
Got my internet back, photo is now on main site with |Andy Walcott's permission
That's one weird looking bus. :o
Quote from: Mike K on May 07, 2015, 10:54:13 PM
That's one weird looking bus. :o
I think it looks awesome, it would suit the b7s aswell with that strip of black above the windows,
Quote from: Stu on May 07, 2015, 07:45:08 PM
@N94, the 1 gets anything during the week, usually Presidents, but single-decks more likely to appear for the peak-time extra workings.
@Stu thanks, it was about half one when I saw it. Normally when I see the 1, its a President 99% of the time, and a Gemini if not (but then thats only if I happen to be going up Broad Street at the right time). I only posted as the list didn't mention daytimes.
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 07, 2015, 11:00:29 PM
I think it looks awesome, it would suit the b7s aswell with that strip of black above the windows,
I guess it seems fine - LWB looks much more better then the, what I assume was, SWB at the NEC... Although, the assymetric front is still settling with me, this is one hell of a versatile livery!
Oh my... Why have they modernised design:
(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.showbus.com%2Fp1%2Fs406jua.JPG&hash=8d3c6c6e6702b6c7f83b1db418dbc4c277cba2bd)
How revolting. The only positive is the livery offsets the ugliness slightly.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on May 09, 2015, 08:28:17 PM
AG1935|37 Branded|31|Seen on Highgate road now.
@ronnoc1k8 , this is normal, the evening 31E is operated by buses off the 37.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 09, 2015, 11:06:54 PM
Oh my... Why have they modernised design:
(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.showbus.com%2Fp1%2Fs406jua.JPG&hash=8d3c6c6e6702b6c7f83b1db418dbc4c277cba2bd)
How revolting. The only positive is the livery offsets the ugliness slightly.
Is it me, but what has this to do with Acocks Green Garage?
@Stuharris 6360 I think LS is referring to the design of the new E200 MMC, that of which is a descendant of the Dart.
Quote from: Nathan on May 10, 2015, 08:50:56 PM
@Stuharris 6360 I think LS is referring to the design of the new E200 MMC, that of which is a descendant of the Dart.
Thanks
@Nathan i understand now. :) :)
I used to like the fact that AG was Dennis free but with these new MMC's coming ..... :(
Had the pleasure of a ride on 4526 on the 37 home this evening. I know it's only been recently transferred from Perry Barr, but it needs a lot of attention interior-wise especially upstairs. Most of the windows are etched, as well as the plastic stairwell surround, especially in front of the two seats behind the staircase.
I suppose we've been spoilt recently with the interior quality of our own Geminis, so a bus in this condition really stands out as a reminder of the 'bad old days'.
Quote from: Stu on May 13, 2015, 07:06:20 PM
Had the pleasure of a ride on 4526 on the 37 home this evening. I know it's only been recently transferred from Perry Barr, but it needs a lot of attention interior-wise especially upstairs. Most of the windows are etched, as well as the plastic stairwell surround, especially in front of the two seats behind the staircase.
I suppose we've been spoilt recently with the interior quality of our own Geminis, so a bus in this condition really stands out as a reminder of the 'bad old days'.
Every Gemini already at AG or still to arrive at AG without the grey moquette will go through Walsall this year
Quote from: Jaysnerz007 on May 13, 2015, 07:14:00 PM
Didnt think 4024 the v regs were allowed into the city centre being as you said it was on the 37 ?
@Jaysnerz007, they're not supposed to be used on the 37, hence why I posted it as a 'noteworthy working'. ;)
Just seen the pic of 2201. Only 2 nearside windows? They won't ventilate the bus much in the hot weather.
Theres 3 new buses being delivered tommorow to acocks green.
Quote from: Jaysnerz007 on May 14, 2015, 09:26:20 PM
Theres 3 new buses being delivered tommorow to acocks green.
No
1935/1936/1942 now de-branded from the 37. I'm guessing most of these are de-branded by now if not all of them.
Quote from: Rob2832 on May 15, 2015, 01:05:49 PM
1935/1936/1942 now de-branded from the 37. I'm guessing most of these are de-branded by now if not all of them.
They are all now debranded
I just had a look around (Well the outside anyway) and it was nice to see the Geminis ! Good Garage !
2202 has arrived 😃
Seen a pic of 2202 on main site looks pretty good, how long is it? Looks longer than the current e200 lwb
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 18, 2015, 08:35:06 PM
Seen a pic of 2202 on main site looks pretty good, how long is it? Looks longer than the current e200 lwb
They are B46/F i believe so are full size buses. This length effectively replaced the E300.
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 18, 2015, 08:35:06 PM
Seen a pic of 2202 on main site looks pretty good, how long is it? Looks longer than the current e200 lwb
I was told by Tony these are the 11.5m version. These longer models will be the replacement for the Enviro300, which ADL will be discontinuing.
If I read the documents on the ADL website correctly, we should see a very slight capacity increase over the Omnilinks, 46 seats as opposed to 43.
Quote from: Stu on May 18, 2015, 08:49:50 PM
I was told by Tony these are the 11.5m version. These longer models will be the replacement for the Enviro300, which ADL will be discontinuing.
If I read the documents on the ADL website correctly, we should see a very slight capacity increase over the Omnilinks, 46 seats as opposed to 43.
I will check the seating tomorrow, but 46 is the maximum, so these may not be that high, they are actually 11.8m long and the chassis is closer related to the E40D chassis currently under the 400MMCs than any other A-D single deck
They look smart - Looking forward to riding these, and seeing the improvements on the Enviro 200 :D Do these have a ZF or Voith gearbox?
Quote from: Tony on May 18, 2015, 08:54:33 PM
I will check the seating tomorrow, but 46 is the maximum, so these may not be that high, they are actually 11.8m long and the chassis is closer related to the E40D chassis currently under the 400MMCs than any other A-D single deck
Either way, it looks like they'll have the 6cyl engines, so they should have a bit more 'oomph' to them than the other E200s in the fleet.
I think I'd be happy to lose a couple of seats from that maximum, if it means less complaints about lack of legroom! ;)
Looking forward to trying one of these out soon!
Wonder if they are going to be branded like the 400mmc. What colour will the 37 get, im gona say yellow/gold colour a bit like the X96 has will look good on the crimson
Are AG guna lose all their b7s when the e200mmc all arrive. If they do are they going to WN and PN to withdrawn more older vehicles (Doubt BC need anymore)
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 20, 2015, 08:40:20 PM
Are AG guna lose all their b7s when the e200mmc all arrive. If they do are they going to WN and PN to withdrawn more older vehicles (Doubt BC need anymore)
No they are not losing all their 'B7's - the B7TL Geminis and Presidents will be staying. ;)
The new E200s will replace all the Wright Eclipse B7RLEs and Scania Omnilinks.
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 20, 2015, 08:40:20 PM
Are AG guna lose all their b7s when the e200mmc all arrive. If they do are they going to WN and PN to withdrawn more older vehicles (Doubt BC need anymore)
They might be going to CV or Dundee or even a garage that currently hasn't got any, after all 1952 has just gone to WB who haven't got any Scanias
I'm starting to think AG might well become a Gemini/E200 garage...
I hope not, hopefully they'll gain another vehicle type to replace the Presidents, well they'll have to eventually for the emissions thing in the City, won't they?
Quote from: Tony on May 20, 2015, 08:49:06 PM
They might be going to CV or Dundee or even a garage that currently hasn't got any, after all 1952 has just gone to WB who haven't got any Scanias
Maybe Scanias or Presidents at PN Would be awesome. Pn still got a few Mercs to replace. Or will a merc see 2016?
Quote from: Stu on May 20, 2015, 08:44:30 PM
No they are not losing all their 'B7's - the B7TL Geminis and Presidents will be staying. ;)
The new E200s will replace all the Wright Eclipse B7RLEs and Scania Omnilinks.
By the looks of it, you'll be taking the rest of our 45**s :'(
So when do the Omnilinks and B7RLES start to move out in mass ?! I'm assuming when the E200 MMC's start to arrive in numbers.
@BusFan Well 1952 has already moved out to West Brom - expect more to move out of AG over the coming weeks. Sure Tony will post transfers on here as soon as they happen.
Quote from: BusFan on May 20, 2015, 10:04:16 PM
So when do the Omnilinks and B7RLES start to move out in mass ?! I'm assuming when the E200 MMC's start to arrive in numbers.
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Not anytime yet. The two MMCs have gone back to Scarborough. NX have rejected them. Poor build quality.
At least a few weeks till they return along with the rest of the batch.
Quote from: MW on May 22, 2015, 04:12:49 PM
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Not anytime yet. The two MMCs have gone back to Scarborough. NX have rejected them. Poor build quality.
At least a few weeks till they return along with the rest of the batch.
That's a good start... ::)
will AG still get E200MMC's?
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 22, 2015, 04:27:52 PM
will AG still get E200MMC's?
Yes they will still get E200MMC's buddy :)
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 22, 2015, 04:27:52 PM
will AG still get E200MMC's?
Yeah, they'll just take longer now. It'll obviously affect the withdrawals of other vehicles across the fleet and whatever else the plans were (Dundee to get B7RLEs? (if that's true)).
Quote from: MW on May 22, 2015, 04:12:49 PM
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Not anytime yet. The two MMCs have gone back to Scarborough. NX have rejected them. Poor build quality.
At least a few weeks till they return along with the rest of the batch.
That's both bad news and good news at the same time - bad news that it is going to be longer before we see the new buses in action, but good news that they won't be rushed into service with problems from day one.
Still, I suppose this is to be expected when you get the first ones off the production line, with all the 'teething' problems.
Quote from: Stu on May 22, 2015, 04:59:33 PM
That's both bad news and good news at the same time - bad news that it is going to be longer before we see the new buses in action, but good news that they won't be rushed into service with problems from day one.
Still, I suppose this is to be expected when you get the first ones off the production line, with all the 'teething' problems.
If it's true then it's a sorry indictment of ADL that their build quality is that poor, and that their quality control can let buses through that are subsequently rejected by the operator. Are there any 'get out clauses' to the 5 year agreement?
Well a few on here raised concerns over build quality last year about the ADLs, in particular the E200s. Hopefully it can be sorted, otherwise time to look back at Volvos! Also, I don't know if I'm the only one, but the build quality of Falkirk built buses seems to be higher than Scarborough.
Is 2203 down here yet, seeing as it is showing up as being taxed
Quote from: uniquicity on May 22, 2015, 09:06:11 PM
Is 6703 down here yet, seeing as it is showing up as being taxed
A) what's this got to do with AG
b) Check the main site!
Typo
Quote from: Mike K on May 22, 2015, 09:03:18 PM
If it's true then it's a sorry indictment of ADL that their build quality is that poor, and that their quality control can let buses through that are subsequently rejected by the operator. Are there any 'get out clauses' to the 5 year agreement?
I agree here, I've always been taught back in college that quality control is strict procedure and I'm surprised that ADL let these 2 let go, interesting if this makes NX think about that 5 year exclusive deal, highly unlikely though.
the e200's delivered across various garages are shockingly bad! id send the lot back!
Are you able to say what build quality issues they have?
Isn't that the problem of putting your eggs all in one basket, the manufacturer thinks that they can get away with anything.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 23, 2015, 04:08:50 PM
Isn't that the problem of putting your eggs all in one basket, the manufacturer thinks that they can get away with anything.
Of course the manufacturer can't get away with anything, if they don't deliver on their promises & the products aren't up to scratch NXWM will first reject them, secondly they could refuse to pay until the issues are resolved. I'm also sure that the 5 year exclusive ADL contract can be annulled as easily as it was signed, especially for inferior products.
Article about E200MMC's for NXWM
http://www.route-one.net/vehicles/nat-ex-takes-debut-production-e200mmc/
Pity a pic of the NX MMC200 was taken to see how eye catching the new NX livery is compared with a recently refurbished Halton vehicle which apparently attended the same event.
Picture below comes from Halton's website.
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/15550X
Quote from: Winston on May 23, 2015, 04:34:21 PM
Of course the manufacturer can't get away with anything, if they don't deliver on their promises & the products aren't up to scratch NXWM will first reject them, secondly they could refuse to pay until the issues are resolved. I'm also sure that the 5 year exclusive ADL contract can be annulled as easily as it was signed, especially for inferior products.
With any luck, they'll annull the contract! Much prefer Wright products coupled with Volvo chassis! Look at the Geminis we've already got! Much better vehicle than the equivalent ALX!
Quote from: A on May 23, 2015, 10:42:20 PM
With any luck, they'll annull the contract! Much prefer Wright products coupled with Volvo chassis! Look at the Geminis we've already got! Much better vehicle than the equivalent ALX!
I can attest to that ! I haven't been on a bad Gemini yet whereas ALX are something else !
Will nx named some of the e200 mmc after boys? Or are buses "shes"
Quote from: BusFan on May 23, 2015, 10:44:23 PM
I can attest to that ! I haven't been on a bad Gemini yet whereas ALX are something else !
I have. But the good ones are that good they put some of the newer fleet to shame. The ALXs are very good, there are some awful examples though, 4250 springs to mind.
Quote from: A on May 23, 2015, 10:42:20 PM
With any luck, they'll annull the contract! Much prefer Wright products coupled with Volvo chassis! Look at the Geminis we've already got! Much better vehicle than the equivalent ALX!
I do wish there were some B9TL/Geminis in the fleet
Quote from: Sh4318 on May 23, 2015, 11:09:23 PM
I have. But the good ones are that good they put some of the newer fleet to shame. The ALXs are very good, there are some awful examples though, 4250 springs to mind.
I do wish there were some B9TL/Geminis in the fleet
I've been on many Geminis although of recent memory, I've enjoyed them, although I echo your statement about wanting a B9TL, it'll look good either NX or crimson livery as well
Viewed 4027 being dragged through Moseley yesterday morning by the Mansfield truck. Looking sorry for itself
Quote from: A on May 23, 2015, 10:42:20 PM
With any luck, they'll annull the contract! Much prefer Wright products coupled with Volvo chassis! Look at the Geminis we've already got! Much better vehicle than the equivalent ALX!
I've always preferred the Wrightbus & Volvo combination, both Volvo & wright have always been known for producing quality products. However, I'm really not keen on the latest Wrightbus styling, not sure whether the B8RLE/Wright Eclispe will get a face lift and front to match the current styling.
I must admit, I like the ADL E400MMC, the E200MMC is a real let down, it just looks like a long Caetano bodied Dart from 10 years ago
Quote from: Winston on May 24, 2015, 12:55:24 PM
I've always preferred the Wrightbus & Volvo combination, both Volvo & wright have always been known for producing quality products. However, I'm really not keen on the latest Wrightbus styling, not sure whether the B8RLE/Wright Eclispe will get a face lift and front to match the current styling.
I must admit, I like the ADL E400MMC, the E200MMC is a real let down, it just looks like a long Caetano bodied Dart from 10 years ago
The E400MMC have had their fair share of issues too. YW has been having problems with the fuel pumps on them. It's not looking good for either MMC.
I went on a brand new E400 MMC hybrid last week in London - an Abellio bus - and was surprised at the vibration from the engine, which you don't get with the earlier E400 hybrids. Perhaps the MMC range has a few issues to be resolved.
>Enviro200MMC
>Still an Enviro200
>rejected for build quality
>"major model change"
>leopard never changes its spots
Smooth moves, ADL.
@Liverpool Street Haha - Very true - never had this problem with Volvo/Wright, nor Scania. Unfortunately probably a compliment to call them Leopards, which could probably accelerate quicker!
Personally would be happier if we had the Enviro 300 with Scania K230UB chassis which Stagecoach have in good numbers - proper chassis and the E300 is actually a decent body.
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 24, 2015, 10:06:40 PM
@Liverpool Street
Haha - Very true - never had this problem with Volvo/Wright, nor Scania. Unfortunately probably a compliment to call them Leopards, which could probably accelerate quicker!
Precisely, Volvo/Wright products seems quality, Scanias used to be, their lorries are very good, buses are a bit squeaky, but a lot better then ADL. Maybe it is as one poster said before, the suspension ruins ADL products. The bloody E200's are awful though, and its the farthest thing from a Leopard in regards to speed, but you get the analogy ;-)
@Liberator9
@Liverpool Street Yeah exactly - never had an issue with Volvo/Wright - just need to look at the B10Ls for the robustness of the chassis/body to see what a good buy they are. The 56 reg ones at WA are good as well. The Scanias just need a better interior (Johnsons have some 2013 Scanias which have a much better lighter interior, with legroom) - use YW's Euro5s daily and like them. Haha yeah - the BC ones are particularly awful as you well know - suspension certainly ruins it on most ADL products, just seems a step back from Volvos/Scania and Mercs.
I like my Wright buses but think they're far from perfect, everytime I drive a gemini it has rattley can door and panels at the back downstairs but a trident in comparison seems solid!
@BU07 LGO That is the problem with the Geminis - certainly when they're idle the engine vibration on some of them can be fairly unpleasant, causing as you say, panels to rattle at the back. The Dennis Tridents do feel solid - actually really they don't rattle that much, aside from the destination display panel upstairs on most - still amazed how bus manufacturers have not resolved the issue of poor quality fittings on the destination boxes. The MMCs have the same design as the Trident pretty much, and already a few have some rattles coming from it. Don't mind the E400s - just the way the gearbox has been mapped out on them now, makes their acceleration poor.
Gemini on the 1. Isn't it supposed to be Single Deck on a Sunday service.
Is meant to be - but AG could be being sensible and sending out a decker due to the Bank Holiday, which can be busier than a normal Sunday service.
The 1 has everything on it.
Quote from: MW on May 25, 2015, 04:30:57 PM
The 1 has everything on it.
But it is usually single-decks on Sunday - I have seen Geminis used on Bank Holidays before though.
When do you think the e200 mmc might be coming down mid june?
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 25, 2015, 08:21:49 PM
When do you think the e200 mmc might be coming down mid june?
It will depend on what work needs doing to the already-completed vehicles, and if vehicles are still in production, whether the identified issues can be remedied during build. I have a feeling it might be July before we see these new vehicles now, but I hope I'm wrong!
In other news...
4657 has had current standard upper/lower deck CCTV screens fitted. Is this a one off?
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on May 25, 2015, 11:31:46 PM
In other news...
4657 has had current standard upper/lower deck CCTV screens fitted. Is this a one off?
No, at least 4668 has them aswell
Quote from: MW on May 26, 2015, 12:06:15 PM
No, at least 4668 has them aswell
4668 had the old screens a few weeks back so must be something they'll all get
Quote from: Stu on May 25, 2015, 09:03:08 PM
It will depend on what work needs doing to the already-completed vehicles, and if vehicles are still in production, whether the identified issues can be remedied during build. I have a feeling it might be July before we see these new vehicles now, but I hope I'm wrong!
Bits in the engine bay are made of plastic when they're supposed to be metal (surely it'll melt?), the "Stopping" sign inside fell off, the rear number plate was stuck on with tape. It was rattling a lot and little bits fell off whilst driving.
Quote from: MW on May 26, 2015, 06:31:17 PM
Bits in the engine bay are made of plastic when they're supposed to be metal (surely it'll melt?), the "Stopping" sign inside fell off, the rear number plate was stuck on with tape. It was rattling a lot and little bits fell off whilst driving.
Apart from that though sounds like a quality vehicle!!!
I rode on a Stagecoach E200 from Foleshill into Coventry this afternoon - bumpy, jolting and vibrating when idling. If the MMC E200s are even worse I'll be avoiding the 37!
Quote from: Stevo on May 26, 2015, 07:04:56 PM
I rode on a Stagecoach E200 from Foleshill into Coventry this afternoon - bumpy, jolting and vibrating when idling. If the MMC E200s are even worse I'll be avoiding the 37!
Hopefully this was one of the issues NX found with the E200 MMC and is fixed when they come back.
Quote from: MW on May 26, 2015, 06:31:17 PM
Bits in the engine bay are made of plastic when they're supposed to be metal (surely it'll melt?), the "Stopping" sign inside fell off, the rear number plate was stuck on with tape. It was rattling a lot and little bits fell off whilst driving.
Your average ADL vehicle then? ;)
Quote from: Mike K on May 26, 2015, 07:30:30 PM
Your average ADL vehicle then? ;)
It's AGs first ADL. Used to the Wrights and Scanias standards lol, personally, as unlikely as it is, I hope NX completely rejects them and annuals the ADL deal. Complete sheds, luckily I'm on the Outer Circle and will hardly drive them, but just having to look at them in the mornings, no thanks lol.
Quote from: MW on May 26, 2015, 08:10:23 PM
It's AGs first ADL. Used to the Wrights and Scanias standards lol, personally, as unlikely as it is, I hope NX completely rejects them and annuals the ADL deal. Complete sheds, luckily I'm on the Outer Circle and will hardly drive them, but just having to look at them in the mornings, no thanks lol.
Least somebody on here still talks sense lol :)
They sound pretty poor - what is it with ADL and shoddy E200s. Actually rather the 37 was getting E400MMCs - a high amount of Geminis on the 37 today and found it much better than the crowded Scanias used on the route - 37 would benefit from double decks really. The E400MMCs are very good - so why ADL have clearly made a mess of the E200MMCs is just bizarre.
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 26, 2015, 08:50:38 PM
They sound pretty poor - what is it with ADL and shoddy E200s. Actually rather the 37 was getting E400MMCs - a high amount of Geminis on the 37 today and found it much better than the crowded Scanias used on the route - 37 would benefit from double decks really. The E400MMCs are very good - so why ADL have clearly made a mess of the E200MMCs is just bizarre.
YW are having problems with their MMCs mechanically too. As of last week anyway.
Yeah 4508 was one of the ones on the 37 today. I find it really bizarre seeing 4508, 4515 or 4516 around here. Just instinct I suppose, always makes me think what's a Perry Barr Gemini doing here?!
Haha - is a bit weird seeing 4508 on the 37 - I have faith the E400MMCs issues can be resolved soon and just teething issues (I hope!) - the E200s just sound shoddily put together. I would be happier though if the E400MMCs were on the Scania chassis, considering Scania chassis are good quality.
Quote from: Liberator9 on May 26, 2015, 09:03:33 PM
Haha - is a bit weird seeing 4508 on the 37 - I have faith the E400MMCs issues can be resolved soon and just teething issues (I hope!) - the E200s just sound shoddily put together. I would be happier though if the E400MMCs were on the Scania chassis, considering Scania chassis are good quality.
Some Volvo B5TLs ones would be nice but you'd still have the crap build quality unfortunately. I'd quite like some new Wright deckers, although I'm aware of their mixed reviews lol
If they turn out to be crap they will probably end up on the 94.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 26, 2015, 09:07:56 PM
If they turn out to be crap they will probably end up on the 94.
You guys are blessed with some early Geminis aren't you? I'd consider that a good thing!
The Geminis on the 94 are decent buses - wouldn't mind them round by me - currently stuck with Optares... The E400MMCs seem pretty solid - better than previous E400s/200s. The Wright Streetdecks with the Volvo B5TL are meant to be good - the integral one with the Daimler engine are ok - but underpowered, so struggle at times up hills. Actually similar to the Mercedes engine Optare SRs round by me which are poor at getting up hills.
Quote from: MW on May 26, 2015, 09:09:14 PM
You guys are blessed with some early Geminis aren't you? I'd consider that a good thing!
I think
@monkeyjoe would prefer some new cheap plastics.
Quote from: MW on May 26, 2015, 09:01:20 PM
YW are having problems with their MMCs mechanically too. As of last week anyway.
Yeah 4508 was one of the ones on the 37 today. I find it really bizarre seeing 4508, 4515 or 4516 around here. Just instinct I suppose, always makes me think what's a Perry Barr Gemini doing here?!
You'll probably have all 4506-4526 soon :'(
Presumably "Mr Stagecoach" gets the better quality buses he makes!
4666 was filling in for a B7/Scania on the 966 today seen by the Cargo Terminal heading for Erdington while aboard 6703 operating the 14:50 900 from Coventry.
I wonder what'll be in AG on Saturday...
3225 already dumped in the depot.
What else.
Another 10 minute wait for a 37 this morning according to the NX app (about 8:20am), lucky for me the 31 was due so I got that instead. Any problems in Solihull at the moment? As the 37s normally run like clockwork every 5 minutes that time of morning?
Quote from: MW on June 04, 2015, 08:08:14 PM
I wonder what'll be in AG on Saturday...
3225 already dumped in the depot.
What else.
Why are they having heritage vehicles on display ?! "Have a look at what you won't be driving" :P
Quote from: BusFan on June 04, 2015, 08:49:08 PM
Why are they having heritage vehicles on display ?! "Have a look at what you won't be driving" :P
Precisely, some older people still think the actual driving of a vehicle is difficult. It isn't, they are far easier to drive than a lot of cars. Just being able to know the size of the vehicle is the only difficult part to bus driving
Somebody said something about an MMC from YW and another from BC, but the BC one isn't 100%
Quote from: MW on June 04, 2015, 10:04:53 PM
Somebody said something about an MMC from YW and another from BC, but the BC one isn't 100%
I think that is all
Quote from: Tony on June 04, 2015, 10:05:53 PM
I think that is all
They should put them onto the Circle and take some Plaxtons off the road for this event lol
Quote from: Rob2832 on May 31, 2015, 06:53:42 PM
4666 was filling in for a B7/Scania on the 966 today seen by the Cargo Terminal heading for Erdington while aboard 6703 operating the 14:50 900 from Coventry.
Gems are the norm on the 966
Quote from: Lukeee on June 04, 2015, 10:32:58 PM
Gems are the norm on the 966
Not on a Sunday they're not.....
C8NEX parked up in the corner in the yard at AG, there was a 7*** dumped there before for the last few days/past week so I presume that's one of the ones gone to PB. Quite a few single deckers parked up in the depot as opposed to usually when there's hardly any except the ones in engineering.
@Tony did you just leave AG, driving 4767 I think?
Also 6147 just left the garage.
Edit: 4776 I think it was actually
Quote from: MW on June 11, 2015, 04:28:09 PM
@Tony did you just leave AG, driving 4767 I think?
Also 6147 just left the garage.
Edit: 4776 I think it was actually
Yes, that was me in 4776 and your DTO in 6147
Quote from: Tony on June 11, 2015, 07:10:32 PM
Yes, that was me in 4776 and your DTO in 6147
Yeah I seen you walking towards 4776, wasn't sure if it was you, and you were pacing so I left you to it. Didn't catch the driver of 6147, just seen it hanging around in the depot and then the back of it leaving.
Is it me or is the bit at the front that's normally blue is grey on 4656also got new tv screen
Am I right in saying the 11 has the highest PVR of all routes ?!
2108 (I think it was) was on the 5 today. Saw it in City around 4.30pm. Normal for a Sunday?
@John I think it is John - I may be mistaken though.
Quote from: John on June 14, 2015, 08:53:26 PM
2108 (I think it was) was on the 5 today. Saw it in City around 4.30pm. Normal for a Sunday?
They just stick any single decker on the 1/5/31 in the evenings. Usually would be a Scania, but only because there's a handful of Eclipses, and there usually not parked at the front.
I expect the MMCs to be used on these routes in the Evenings/Sunday's which'll look interesting.
Do buses normally change routes on Sunday? I've photographed a few this morning on one route, and then again in the afternoon on a different route. Forgive me if its just normal interworking but I'm not aware of any happening?
Quote from: Niall on June 14, 2015, 11:04:03 PM
Do buses normally change routes on Sunday? I've photographed a few this morning on one route, and then again in the afternoon on a different route. Forgive me if its just normal interworking but I'm not aware of any happening?
If a running board on say the route 1 began at 6am and returned to depot at around 11am.
Then a running board on the 11A began at 12pm till 7pm.
It may well be the same bus due to it being at the front of the garage especially on a Sunday where other buses will be parked up in lines ready for Monday morning.
Quote from: MW on June 14, 2015, 11:09:07 PM
If a running board on say the route 1 began at 6am and returned to depot at around 11am.
Then a running board on the 11A began at 12pm till 7pm.
It may well be the same bus due to it being at the front of the garage especially on a Sunday where other buses will be parked up in lines ready for Monday morning.
Thanks MW, I didn't think there'd be buses returning to garage during the day on Sunday - shows how much I know!
Quote from: John on June 14, 2015, 08:53:26 PM
2108 (I think it was) was on the 5 today. Saw it in City around 4.30pm. Normal for a Sunday?
The Sunday single decker is normally a Scania lump but both appear.
Anyone in Solihull tomorrow morning, watch out for the 08:43 37E from Solihull to Acocks Green. It is possible that 6148 will work it, currently on loan to AG for driver training ready for the arrival of the E200s
The 37 should be interesting next week, with a couple of planned diversions at the same time:
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/temporary-diversions/closure-of-warwick-road-/
Warwick Road closed in one direction (towards Acocks Green) between Golden Hillock Road and Manor Farm Road (evenings from 19:00); 37s towards Solihull diverted along Baker Street, St John's Road, Stratford Road, Formans Road and Reddings Lane
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/temporary-diversions/closure-of-warwick-roadacocks-green-/
Warwick Road closed in towards-city direction from Lincoln Road to Shirley Road (Saturday evening to Friday 26th June); 37s towards Birmingham diverted along Olton Boulevard East and Shirley Road
Don't suppose if anyone knows if the 37 will be using stand AL in the village temporarily during this time, or will I have to use stand AP?
on average, how long does it take to get to Solihull from Erdington on the 966 ?!
Quote from: BusFan on June 18, 2015, 07:02:58 PM
on average, how long does it take to get to Solihull from Erdington on the 966 ?!
However long the timetable says it takes
1hr 22 minuets
What is the latest news on the E200s? Any idea when deliveries might resume?
4062 has a faulty front destination display, half the information is missing!
6148 in use with AG - on the 899 school route this morning. Very odd to see a YW MMC working on an AG route!
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 22, 2015, 02:41:11 PM
6148 in use with AG - on the 899 school route this morning. Very odd to see a YW MMC working on an AG route!
See message number 694 above
@Tony Thanks - assume that 899 goes onto that 37E in that case.
Just doing a bit of spotting on my lunch break in Acocks Green and couldn't help but notice that the 37 was mainly Geminis. How come? I think I saw one single deck in my 60mins lunch break.
Also noted 4 11c's running together.
@Dutsey Hope this makes some kind of sense! :)
Essentially due to the late arrival of the E200MMCs, which are due to replace the Scanias and B7s at AG. However to avoid delaying some cascades, instead of pressing ahead with replacing all the Presidents on the 11A/C, the surplus of Geminis that have arrived from WB and PB, have been deployed onto the 37, to allow the 7019 to 7029 Scanias to shift to Perry Barr.
Personally think the 37 should remain Gemini operated - a busy route that benefits from double decks as opposed to singles - then again could be a while till the 37 does go back to single deck with the rate of current ADL deliveries....
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 23, 2015, 04:05:48 PM
@Dutsey
Hope this makes some kind of sense! :)
Essentially due to the late arrival of the E200MMCs, which are due to replace the Scanias and B7s at AG. However to avoid delaying some cascades, instead of pressing ahead with replacing all the Presidents on the 11A/C, the surplus of Geminis that have arrived from WB and PB, have been deployed onto the 37, to allow the 7019 to 7029 Scanias to shift to Perry Barr.
Personally think the 37 should remain Gemini operated - a busy route that benefits from double decks as opposed to singles - then again could be a while till the 37 does go back to single deck with the rate of current ADL deliveries....
I do agree, Geminis on the 37 are good. But I'm on the Outer Circle rota, and these bloody Plaxtons are annoying! So bring the Geminis back to the 11 :P
If the MMCs drive as good as the cab feels (if that makes sense), then I'm sure they'll be fine. I've actually got higher hopes for them now, although I do hate single deckers overall.
Quote from: Dutsey on June 23, 2015, 02:59:18 PM
Just doing a bit of spotting on my lunch break in Acocks Green and couldn't help but notice that the 37 was mainly Geminis. How come? I think I saw one single deck in my 60mins lunch break.
Also noted 4 11c's running together.
The 37 is mostly Gemini operated now until the E200MMC's arrive
Some of the new toys will actually be at AG tomorrow morning, at least two are currently on the M18 heading south
@MWHaha - sure you are looking forward to having all Geminis on the 11 - I like the Plaxtons but some of the cabs I gather are cramped due to the larger steering wheel on some, and of course the "creak" sound. Hopefully the E200 MMCs will be good - I hope they are - let's just hope this pair coming down the M18 make it and are good solid buses.
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 23, 2015, 04:05:48 PM
Personally think the 37 should remain Gemini operated - a busy route that benefits from double decks as opposed to singles - then again could be a while till the 37 does go back to single deck with the rate of current ADL deliveries....
Personally, I don't think the 37 needs double-decks all day, but it helps when they come out as peak-time extras.
The singles are just fine when things run to plan, the problems with overcrowding only come if a bus gets just a few minutes late; the people waiting at stops already get joined by people who would have otherwise caught the next one five minutes later, and naturally when they arrive in bunches everyone wants to get on the one that's already packed, rather than the near-empty one just behind!
Still, it's good having mostly Geminis at the moment, but I still seem to manage to get Omnilinks most of the time :(
Quote from: Tony on June 23, 2015, 06:34:07 PM
Some of the new toys will actually be at AG tomorrow morning, at least two are currently on the M18 heading south
Is it 2201 and 2202 again?
Quote from: Stu on June 23, 2015, 07:00:46 PM
Personally, I don't think the 37 needs double-decks all day, but it helps when they come out as peak-time extras.
The singles are just fine when things run to plan, the problems with overcrowding only come if a bus gets just a few minutes late; the people waiting at stops already get joined by people who would have otherwise caught the next one five minutes later, and naturally when they arrive in bunches everyone wants to get on the one that's already packed, rather than the near-empty one just behind!
Still, it's good having mostly Geminis at the moment, but I still seem to manage to get Omnilinks most of the time :(
Really ?! Must be my luck but I can't remember the last time I seen an OmniLink on the 37
Quote from: BusFan on June 23, 2015, 07:18:24 PM
Really ?! Must be my luck but I can't remember the last time I seen an OmniLink on the 37
There were 6 of them on there today which is about normal at the moment.
2201 & 2202 are currently at Junction 26 of the M1 by Nottingham (19:22) if anyone want to guess what time they will arrive at AG for a photo of them going in
I actually managed a ride home on a an Eclipse 2, which is something of a rarity now on the 37 8)
Quote from: Stu on June 23, 2015, 07:42:59 PM
I actually managed a ride home on a an Eclipse 2, which is something of a rarity now on the 37 8)
2120?
Quote from: Tony on June 23, 2015, 07:49:43 PM
2120?
Yep, that was the one. It passed my house earlier doing a 37E back to Acocks Green.
Quote from: Chris on June 23, 2015, 07:02:59 PM
Is it 2201 and 2202 again?
Both now on the M42 near Sutton Coldfield if anyone near Acocks Green wants to watch them arrive, they won't be long now
Quote from: Tony on June 23, 2015, 07:21:38 PM
There were 6 of them on there today which is about normal at the moment.
2201 & 2202 are currently at Junction 26 of the M1 by Nottingham (19:22) if anyone want to guess what time they will arrive at AG for a photo of them going in
Just spotted in Coleshill in convoy
Can two vehicles be a convoy? 😜 Or are there more than two, and it's just 2201 and 2202 that are tracking due to them already being delivered once already?
Quote from: Gareth on June 23, 2015, 08:54:31 PM
Can two vehicles be a convoy? 😜 Or are there more than two, and it's just 2201 and 2202 that are tracking due to them already being delivered once already.
Safely arrived at AG at 21:12, watch out for more deliveries for AG & BC in the next 3 days
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 23, 2015, 07:00:18 PM
@MW
Haha - sure you are looking forward to having all Geminis on the 11 - I like the Plaxtons but some of the cabs I gather are cramped due to the larger steering wheel on some, and of course the "creak" sound. Hopefully the E200 MMCs will be good - I hope they are - let's just hope this pair coming down the M18 make it and are good solid buses.
Plaxtons are really dull to drive. They make some good sounds I suppose. The large steering wheel, the drivers seats that give you a back ache, the acceleration, the sharp edges on the drivers window, the door opening buttons. I just don't like them to drive lol
Edit: I'm on the 37s on Thursday I think, then I think Thursday next week, so I might get to take one of the MMCs out! I've heard that they're looking to get them on the road as soon as possible, so fingers crossed.
@MW Can see why you want the Geminis all working on the 11 now :)
I've been to skip the odd Plaxton and wait in favour of a Gemini
Quote from: Tony on June 23, 2015, 09:12:50 PM
Safely arrived at AG at 21:12, watch out for more deliveries for AG & BC in the next 3 days
And presumably more transfers too...
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on June 23, 2015, 10:51:44 PM
And presumably more transfers too...
I hear its the Scanias due out first, leaving the B7RLEs to last (PE apparently), and some Presidents of course, whilst more Geminis in.
That's the word in garage anyway.
Interestingly, when the emissions stuff changes, surely it'll mean the masses of Geminis would need to be upgraded for routes 5/31.
Quote from: MW on June 23, 2015, 11:49:16 PM
I hear its the Scanias due out first, leaving the B7RLEs to last (PE apparently), and some Presidents of course, whilst more Geminis in.
That's the word in garage anyway.
Interestingly, when the emissions stuff changes, surely it'll mean the masses of Geminis would need to be upgraded for routes 5/31.
I like the idea of more and more Geminis at AG :D
Can't they modify the engine as opposed to replacing the entire vehicle ?!
Quote from: Tony on June 23, 2015, 09:12:50 PM
Safely arrived at AG at 21:12, watch out for more deliveries for AG & BC in the next 3 days
When is Walsall garage getting there new buses. Sorry if I have posted it in the wrong one
Quote from: leewhayward29 on June 24, 2015, 12:39:27 AM
When is Walsall garage getting there new buses. Sorry if I have posted it in the wrong one
Quote from: BU07 LGO on June 11, 2015, 09:22:12 AM
Been told the platinums won't be arriving until the end of July
Quote from: Sayeed on June 24, 2015, 01:00:26 AM
Thanks I didn't see it on Walsall garage post. Thanks again for pointing it out
Was having a bit of a play around with 2201 earlier. I'm actually quite impressed with it's design inside. The cab area is so futuristic and feels quite comfortable, more so than the Scanias. The whole cab area feels raised, like double deckers, as oppose to looking up at passengers when boarding on the Scanias.
The saloon looks very airy, and visibility outside seems like the Eclipse2s. Thin pillars, and not looking plastic and cheap. I like the positioning of the CCTV monitor, it's in the centre raised up, with the "Bus Stopping" sign above it.
I think it is a 6 cylinder engine, it doesn't sound as rough as a 4 cylinder anyway. And it makes the same noise as the E400s/Tridents when releasing air from the tanks, a sound I've always approved of lol. One particular feature I like, as the double deckers also have, is the CCTV screen in the cab which can flick to different views externally to see your blind spots, should you want it to.
The interior seems to be miles better than the exterior. Well I suppose it's just the front end that looks dreary, the rear looks smart, like the deckers.
I am looking forward to driving these, I'm not really a fan of the Scanias, and I am a fan of the Eclipse, except for the lack of revs!
Also growing even more fond of the Geminis, have had 4519 and 4647 recently. Both excellent, with no complaints, especially 4647 which is bloody quick! The cooler fans refused to come on, on 4647, unlike 4519 which was roaring between Tyburn Road and Bearwood!!
Quote from: MW on June 23, 2015, 11:49:16 PM
I hear its the Scanias due out first, leaving the B7RLEs to last (PE apparently), and some Presidents of course, whilst more Geminis in.
That's the word in garage anyway.
Interestingly, when the emissions stuff changes, surely it'll mean the masses of Geminis would need to be upgraded for routes 5/31.
I wonder if PE will get some scanias too. Even with the rest of AG b7lres its not enough to replace the remain mercs in service. Unless PE gets some more tridents from BC or other cascades.
Lets see what the summer nx transfer window brings
Quote from: MW on June 25, 2015, 12:56:53 AM
Was having a bit of a play around with 2201 earlier. I'm actually quite impressed with it's design inside. The cab area is so futuristic and feels quite comfortable, more so than the Scanias. The whole cab area feels raised, like double deckers, as oppose to looking up at passengers when boarding on the Scanias.
The saloon looks very airy, and visibility outside seems like the Eclipse2s. Thin pillars, and not looking plastic and cheap. I like the positioning of the CCTV monitor, it's in the centre raised up, with the "Bus Stopping" sign above it.
I think it is a 6 cylinder engine, it doesn't sound as rough as a 4 cylinder anyway. And it makes the same noise as the E400s/Tridents when releasing air from the tanks, a sound I've always approved of lol. One particular feature I like, as the double deckers also have, is the CCTV screen in the cab which can flick to different views externally to see your blind spots, should you want it to.
The interior seems to be miles better than the exterior. Well I suppose it's just the front end that looks dreary, the rear looks smart, like the deckers.
I am looking forward to driving these, I'm not really a fan of the Scanias, and I am a fan of the Eclipse, except for the lack of revs!
Also growing even more fond of the Geminis, have had 4519 and 4647 recently. Both excellent, with no complaints, especially 4647 which is bloody quick! The cooler fans refused to come on, on 4647, unlike 4519 which was roaring between Tyburn Road and Bearwood!!
Thats good to hear ! I hope to ride 1 soon, is their any word on when they enter service plus where are they situated in the garage ?! If they're outside, I'll hope to bring my telescopic lens and have a peek !
Geminis are wonderful vehicles ! In Erdington awaiting my 11C home, I skipped two Plaxtons in favour of a Gemini and I was not disappointed !
Quote from: BusFan on June 25, 2015, 01:19:49 AM
Thats good to hear ! I hope to ride 1 soon, is their any word on when they enter service plus where are they situated in the garage ?! If they're outside, I'll hope to bring my telescopic lens and have a peek !
Geminis are wonderful vehicles ! In Erdington awaiting my 11C home, I skipped two Plaxtons in favour of a Gemini and I was not disappointed !
Nah you won't be able to see them from outside, there are supposed to be a couple more coming today or tomorrow. 6148 was also hidden away whilst it was at AG for nearly the past week.
Quote from: MW on June 25, 2015, 01:28:23 AM
Nah you won't be able to see them from outside, there are supposed to be a couple more coming today or tomorrow. 6148 was also hidden away whilst it was at AG for nearly the past week.
Unlucky me, oh well, I'll be sure to grab a ride one of the days, Did you get to drive the bus ?!
@MW Sounds very good - hopefully all build quality issues sorted and they'll provide good service. The suspension is all new on these as well, different to the previous E200s, which is a good thing - should be more in line with the E400MMC ride wise. Hear they have Voith gearboxes, which is excellent news considering the poor reviews I've heard regarding ZF gearboxes on E200s.
2206 just arrived.
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 25, 2015, 08:49:08 AM
@MW
Sounds very good - hopefully all build quality issues sorted and they'll provide good service. The suspension is all new on these as well, different to the previous E200s, which is a good thing - should be more in line with the E400MMC ride wise. Hear they have Voith gearboxes, which is excellent news considering the poor reviews I've heard regarding ZF gearboxes on E200s.
The old E200's not sure how many but the 99 branded ones I believe are 4 speed voith unless I am hearing things 801-809 at BC though the latter ones i.e. WB are ZF 820 was one I caught once on the 80
2208 & 22** just pulled into Acocks Green Garage
Quote from: Nathan4775 on June 26, 2015, 01:27:58 PM
2208 & 22** just pulled into Acocks Green Garage
the other was 2207
@Nathan4775
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 25, 2015, 08:49:08 AM
@MW
Hear they have Voith gearboxes, which is excellent news considering the poor reviews I've heard regarding ZF gearboxes on E200s.
If memory serves correctly, the gearbox options on the previous model E200 were Voith (D823, D854) and Allison (2100, T280R). I have ridden on a NXWM E200, but can't remember the sound; must have made a big impression! It was probably an Allison, but which, I don't know. The (integral) retarder on the latter tends to be more aggressive.
2205 arrived. 2206 has some sort of £12.50 advert on the side (like the adverts Mercs used to have)
Quote from: Squiz1971 on June 26, 2015, 01:21:02 PM
The old E200's not sure how many but the 99 branded ones I believe are 4 speed voith unless I am hearing things 801-809 at BC though the latter ones i.e. WB are ZF 862 was one I caught once on the 80
Are you sure WB's are ZF? I thought they were all Voith. I may be wrong but I think the only ZF box available in the E200 is the automated manual.
Quote from: Stevo on June 26, 2015, 06:26:30 PM
Are you sure WB's are ZF? I thought they were all Voith. I may be wrong but I think the only ZF box available in the E200 is the automated manual.
All NXWM (Yes that includes Coventry) E200's have Voith Gearboxes
Quote from: MW on June 26, 2015, 04:51:59 PM
2205 arrived. 2206 has some sort of £12.50 advert on the side (like the adverts Mercs used to have)
Any chance of some being in service this weekend then? Or is it more likely to be next week now?
Quote from: Stu on June 26, 2015, 07:15:05 PM
Any chance of some being in service this weekend then? Or is it more likely to be next week now?
They are looking to have some in service from Monday onwards. And now we'll begin to say farewell to the Scanias.
I had 1944 yesterday on the 37. Starting to warm to them aswell! Only thing is it takes ages to move off from a bus stop!
Quote from: MW on June 26, 2015, 07:42:36 PM
They are looking to have some in service from Monday onwards. And now we'll begin to say farewell to the Scanias.
I had 1944 yesterday on the 37. Starting to warm to them aswell! Only thing is it takes ages to move off from a bus stop!
Could
@Tony confirm or deny please.
MW has a good idea considering he works at AG - would make sense to start on Monday. Will miss the Scanias and very curious where they go - will all go to WB, or will some go elsewhere (I'm still predicting YW ;) )
When the new buses enter service let's hope they space
them out so they have the new every 15 mins rather than all at
once
Quote from: Solo1 on June 26, 2015, 09:59:13 PM
When the new buses enter service let's hope they space
them out so they have the new every 15 mins rather than all at
once
Thats if the buses stay this time and don't get sent back from wence they came!
Quote from: Stevo on June 26, 2015, 06:26:30 PM
Are you sure WB's are ZF? I thought they were all Voith. I may be wrong but I think the only ZF box available in the E200 is the automated manual.
Well it sounded ZF & not voith but it was a while ago that is why I said some are ZF geared I haven't really travelled on any of the other garages E200's only the BC ones. Apart from the WB one I mentioned earlier maybe there is a couple of ZF's mixed in for variety, I have travelled on enough metro's, lynx's and the low floor variants to know the difference between Voith & ZF geared buses. I may have misheard the gearing, I personally prefer voith geared buses myself 3 speed or 4 speed
I know the Walsall ones are voith, it says voith on the side of the neutral button
They are all Voith - the new E200MMCs are Voith as well. Good job as well - you'd know if it's a ZF as it's a manual style change - from what I've heard not good for stop start running in slow traffic.
Quote from: Solo1 on June 26, 2015, 09:59:13 PM
When the new buses enter service let's hope they space
them out so they have the new every 15 mins rather than all at
once
Why, no-one is going to the time and effort to do something as stupid and pointless as that. Your ordinary passenger will catch the first bus that comes and will have the same chance of catching a new one whether they are all together or spread through the running boards
Quote from: Solo1 on June 26, 2015, 09:59:13 PM
When the new buses enter service let's hope they space
them out so they have the new every 15 mins rather than all at
once
You could extend that logic to all routes
Update on the Acocks Green Warwick Road diversions: Cllr John O'Shea reported on Facebook yesterday that due to a delay in the works, the one-way system will be lifted today (Saturday) so buses will be running normal routes. However tomorrow, Warwick Road will be closed in both directions until about 2pm between Shirley Road and Sainsburys, so the 37 will be diverted to and from city.
The one-way system will then be restored on Monday evening, to allow the remainder of the works to be completed on schedule, and normal traffic flow will resume on Tuesday morning.
https://www.facebook.com/279870852036330/photos/a.383021528387928.87122.279870852036330/940022522687823/?type=1&fref=nf
What routes are the new E200 MMC's going to be first put on??? As I tend to use the 72 as this runs by where I live & use it to get to town or Chelmsley Wood be nice to see them on the 71/72 in the coming months although I will miss the B7RLE's and the Scania's a little, tiny bit. ;D ::)
Quote from: Squiz1971 on June 27, 2015, 02:11:21 PM
What routes are the new E200 MMC's going to be first put on??? As I tend to use the 72 as this runs by where I live & use it to get to town or Chelmsley Wood be nice to see them on the 71/72 in the coming months although I will miss the B7RLE's and the Scania's a little, tiny bit. ;D ::)
They'll be appearing on Route 37 first :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on June 27, 2015, 02:14:08 PM
They'll be appearing on Route 37 first :)
Cheers Rob I thought the 37 would get them 1st apart from the 11C/A the 37 is AG biggest and I guess busiest route :D
This is the 'price branded' version of the single deck livery, 2206 is the first finished
http://www.wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/2201-2250/2206.html
Looks good to me, I wonder what the 37 and the 71/72 branding would look like.
Is it just me or when you look at the front, does it look a bit like an Omnilink?
Oh wow, thats actually really quite impressive, may only be ticket branding but fair play NX.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 27, 2015, 07:18:01 PM
Is it just me or when you look at the front, does it look a bit like an Omnilink?
These look tiny when next to an Omnilink.
They do look a bit more midi bus when compared to an Omnilink - would prefer a bit of a longer raised up section at the rear of the E200MMCs by the looks of it! Amazed how they have 45 seats, as opposed to the Omnilink's 43.
@MW Any chance of getting to drive one soon?
how are they bigger than omnilinks. Omnilinks have no legroom and they seat 2 less
The Omnilinks are slightly bigger by the looks of it - will be able to judge better when they're out in service and next to one. The Omnilinks legroom is ok on most seats - if you're struggling for legroom go to the emergency exit seat - tons of legroom!
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 27, 2015, 09:06:32 PM
They do look a bit more midi bus when compared to an Omnilink - would prefer a bit of a longer raised up section at the rear of the E200MMCs by the looks of it! Amazed how they have 45 seats, as opposed to the Omnilink's 43. @MW Any chance of getting to drive one soon?
I'm on the 37 on Thursday so maybe, if not the week after probably. There's six parked up in garage at the moment.
Nice - hopefully they go along well - will be after one on Monday if any are out.
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 27, 2015, 09:24:21 PM
Nice - hopefully they go along well - will be after one on Monday if any are out.
July 1st on Wednesday, bet they tax them from then!
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 27, 2015, 09:06:32 PM
They do look a bit more midi bus when compared to an Omnilink - would prefer a bit of a longer raised up section at the rear of the E200MMCs by the looks of it! Amazed how they have 45 seats, as opposed to the Omnilink's 43. @MW Any chance of getting to drive one soon?
What's amazing about putting 45 seats in an 11.8m single deck?
They're already taxed - check on the DVLA reg look up. Most done 1st June onwards - 2201, 2202 and 2203 were done from the 1st May - 2204, 2207 and 2208 still being checked.
Just the fact that they are 0.2m shorter than a Scania Omnilink and yet they fit two more in - just curious where the extra two seats have been fitted in.
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 27, 2015, 09:37:27 PM
They're already taxed - check on the DVLA reg look up. Most done 1st June onwards - 2201, 2202 and 2203 were done from the 1st May - 2204, 2207 and 2208 still being checked.
That's a bit of a waste of money, two months and they haven't moved in revenue earning service!
Well due to wonderful ADL build quality, 2201 and 2202 had to return. Assume 2203 never made it out of scarborough as a result.
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 27, 2015, 09:41:07 PM
Just the fact that they are 0.2m shorter than a Scania Omnilink and yet they fit two more in - just curious where the extra two seats have been fitted in.
From a photo?
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 27, 2015, 09:42:21 PM
Well due to wonderful ADL build quality, 2201 and 2202 had to return. Assume 2203 never made it out of scarborough as a result.
That is what you get when you put all your eggs in one basket, would they have left Scarborough in that state if NE had been considering placing a big order with them. No, but because NE have already placed that order, they feel they can get away with inferior quality.
Personally i don't thinl NE should have placed the total order with ADL, but spread it around several manufacturers.
No - by logic - just typical thinking that a shorter bus will have marginally fewer seats. I'm wrong thinking that; will be interested to actually see the interior in person. Reason why there is a contract with ADL is to provide a discount overall in comparison to ordering from different manufacturers and benefit from standardisation of maintenance etc. Think ADL in general have always had inferior build quality to Wrights bodywork - only have to compare an ALX400 bodywork and Gemini.
I really don't like the look of these, they look like they've had a stroke
These ENVIRO 200 MMC,s look similar to volvos own in house single deck, I think Lothian have some of those, it's doesn't look any worse than the scanias, well it gives some idea on how the scania will look in Crimson.
@2900 They do look smart - hoping it won't be long till some Scanias get into Crimson - sure the ones leaving AG will soon and YW's.
1951 being prepped for departure at AG earlier. Given the fleet number, I'd expect WB.
Also looks like the MMCs are delayed to go on the roadfor a few days.
It'll be interesting where the likes of 1932-1942 go - whether they'll all go WB, or perhaps WA or YW. Sounds annoying - not more issues I hope.
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 28, 2015, 06:15:03 PM
It'll be interesting where the likes of 1932-1942 go - whether they'll all go WB, or perhaps WA or YW. Sounds annoying - not more issues I hope.
I wouldn't think Yardley Wood will get anymore. Walsall and West Brom seem the likely places, as they both have older single deckers that need replacing
I could see some B7RLEs going to Coventry to replace some of their O405Ns, as well as Pensnett
That's true - yeah certainly could see some of the B7RLEs going to CV - some interesting transfers lie ahead by the looks of it
Cant see the new buses in service this week, they have to go back as the kingpins need to be tightened on all 6 of them.
Please don't tell me they have go back to Scarborough for that.... going to be Christmas by the time they enter service...
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 29, 2015, 01:30:10 PM
Please don't tell me they have go back to Scarborough for that.... going to be Christmas by the time they enter service...
Presumably someone from Alexander Dennis could do that in the garage, unless specialist equipment is needed
I'd have thought that - Kingpins if I remember right are part of the suspension/tyres - hopefully ADL can just send someone down.
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 29, 2015, 01:41:10 PM
I'd have thought that - Kingpins if I remember right are part of the suspension/tyres - hopefully ADL can just send someone down.
It is the main pivot in the steering mechanism.
Quote from: Nathan on June 29, 2015, 01:51:30 PM
It is the main pivot in the steering mechanism.
It sounds rather serious, especially when they have travelled a long way to get to AG!
Quote from: Nathan on June 29, 2015, 01:51:30 PM
It is the main pivot in the steering mechanism.
@Nathan Thanks Nathan - thought it was something along those lines!
The kingpins are fine just not upto nx standard apparently but there fine to drive as a say nx want it to be more ott safe !
Quote from: Jaysnerz007 on June 29, 2015, 03:00:49 PM
The kingpins are fine just not upto nx standard apparently but there fine to drive as a say nx want it to be more ott safe !
These E200MMC's are not destined to be used in service at the moment which I guess is causing a lot of problems with the bus transfers that will need to happen to help with the withdrawal of the last of the B6's, B10L's and the merc's too. Still looking forward to seeing them on the 71/72 when ADL eventually get the bus problems sorted
Quote from: Squiz1971 on June 29, 2015, 05:57:25 PM
These E200MMC's are not destined to be used in service at the moment which I guess is causing a lot of problems with the bus transfers that will need to happen to help with the withdrawal of the last of the B6's, B10L's and the merc's too. Still looking forward to seeing them on the 71/72 when ADL eventually get the bus problems sorted
It is causing a couple of annoyances more than problems, as I have put on another thread there is actually no rush to get the remaining hit list vehicles off the road at the moment.
Meanwhile 2204 has arrived (or I've seen it now), so that's seven I believe. 2201/2/4/5/6/7/8 and they're all dumped in the corner until "someone from ADL comes and fixes them" lol
Quote from: MW on June 29, 2015, 06:58:18 PM
Meanwhile 2204 has arrived (or I've seen it now), so that's seven I believe. 2201/2/4/5/6/7/8 and they're all dumped in the corner until "someone from ADL comes and fixes them" lol
and 2203
I wonder if any other companies are having problems with the MMCs or is it just NE?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 29, 2015, 07:03:10 PM
I wonder if any other companies are having problems with the MMCs or is it just NE?
Without offended anyone, a lot of staff are saying they are heaps of s*it. Both YW and AGs.
The 5 year exclusive deal with ADL seems some what questionable now with all problems as of late ! :P
@MW Doesn't surprise me - NX should've gone Wright Volvo - always been a good combination and never had this sort of problem. Always been quality issues with ADL - yet they still sign a 5 year deal....
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 29, 2015, 07:15:19 PM
@MW
Doesn't surprise me - NX should've gone Wright Volvo - always been a good combination and never had this sort of problem. Always been quality issues with ADL - yet they still sign a 5 year deal....
I agree here, I always wanted to NX to purchase the Gemini 2s in bulk, The current livery would have suited them well.
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 29, 2015, 07:15:19 PM
@MW
Doesn't surprise me - NX should've gone Wright Volvo - always been a good combination and never had this sort of problem. Always been quality issues with ADL - yet they still sign a 5 year deal....
You can understand why they have done it, presumable with a 5 year contract, NE get a discount on the buses for the loyalty, BUT and it's a big BUT, as i have said before, put all your eggs into one basket and you risk trouble.
IMO, always buy a variety of buses from different manufacturers, maybe slightly more expensive but i think you get better value in the long run.
As Tony says, NE aren't rushing to get rid of the B6/10, Spectra's and Mercs at the moment, however there is still the case that brand new expensive buses are not turning a wheel because they need fixing.
Plus NE said on the website
"We'll be launching brand new single decker buses on our busy 37 service between Solihull and Birmingham, which will shortly be followed by our 71 and 72 services between Solihull, Sutton Coldfield and Birmingham. Buses will arrive in late may for the 37 bus service, with the first buses arriving for the 71 & 72 in mid to late June."
Its not very good publicity for NE when its the 1 July on Wednesday and no new single deckers have entered service, although to be fair, its not NE's fault!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 29, 2015, 07:20:59 PM
You can understand why they have done it, presumable with a 5 year contract, NE get a discount on the buses for the loyalty, BUT and it's a big BUT, as i have said before, put all your eggs into one basket and you risk trouble.
IMO, always buy a variety of buses from different manufacturers, maybe slightly more expensive but i think you get better value in the long run.
Might be slightly more expensive? It would be a logistical and costly nightmare. The spares inventory alone would cost a fortune as well as losing all your bulk purchase discounts, getting ripped off by spares providers (Hello Arriva and DAF parts).
If you were buying from a variety of manufacturers you have less chance of a solution to problems as the manufacturers will care less, whereas I guarantee you A-D will be doing everything possible now to get these vehicles right. The thought of losing the rest of a what could be £30m order for the next four years because you have cocked up (you don't think there isn't get out clauses or break points if anything goes wrong?)
Armchair MDs always know best because they are not actually risking any money
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2015, 07:30:59 PM
Might be slightly more expensive? It would be a logistical and costly nightmare. The spares inventory alone would cost a fortune as well as losing all your bulk purchase discounts, getting ripped off by spares providers (Hello Arriva and DAF parts).
If you were buying from a variety of manufacturers you have less chance of a solution to problems the manufacturers will care less, whereas I guarantee you A-D will be doing everything possible to know get these vehicles right. The thought of losing the rest of a what could be £30m order for the next four years because you have cocked up (you don't think there isn't get out clauses or break points if anything goes wrong?)
Armchair MDs always know best because they are not actually risking any money
Additionally, NX are unlikely to release payment for the E200MMC's until they meet their expectations & the outstanding issues resolved
Quote from: Winston on June 29, 2015, 07:37:18 PM
Additionally, NX are unlikely to release payment for the E200MMC's until they meet their expectations & the outstanding issues resolved
I would hope that NE would receive some compensation for the problems that have been encountered.
If i was the MD (which thankfully i am not), the question i would be asking the manufacturer is why these problems have occured and what they are going to do in the future to ensure that nothing like this happens again. What has happened to quality control?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 29, 2015, 07:45:34 PM
I would hope that NE would receive some compensation for the problems that have been encountered.
If i was the MD (which thankfully i am not), the question i would be asking the manufacturer is why these problems have occured and what they are going to do in the future to ensure that nothing like this happens again. What has happened to quality control?
If it is anything like where I work, it has been sub-contracted out to the lowest bidder!
Quote from: busfan2847 on June 29, 2015, 08:15:42 PM
If it is anything like where I work, it has been sub-contracted out to the lowest bidder!
The quality should still be acceptable for purpose.
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2015, 07:30:59 PM
Might be slightly more expensive? It would be a logistical and costly nightmare. The spares inventory alone would cost a fortune as well as losing all your bulk purchase discounts, getting ripped off by spares providers (Hello Arriva and DAF parts).
If you were buying from a variety of manufacturers you have less chance of a solution to problems as the manufacturers will care less, whereas I guarantee you A-D will be doing everything possible now to get these vehicles right. The thought of losing the rest of a what could be £30m order for the next four years because you have cocked up (you don't think there isn't get out clauses or break points if anything goes wrong?)
Armchair MDs always know best because they are not actually risking any money
I am certainly no expert on such matters but what was the rationale for dual sourcing DDs a few years back when NX was buying both Tridents and B7TLs? Was that a strategic decision or was it that one manufacturer couldn't supply the volumes required? I guess it only really lasted from 2001 to 2006 and Wright / Volvo fell out of favour for DDs (coinciding with the B9TL replacing the B7TL).
Quote from: Mike K on June 29, 2015, 08:38:35 PM
I am certainly no expert on such matters but what was the rationale for dual sourcing DDs a few years back when NX was buying both Tridents and B7TLs? Was that a strategic decision or was it that one manufacturer couldn't supply the volumes required? I guess it only really lasted from 2001 to 2006 and Wright / Volvo fell out of favour for DDs (coinciding with the B9TL replacing the B7TL).
Dual sourcing isn't, and as far as possible the two types were kept at different garages to reduce spares stocking, but multiple types is another matter altogether
I think it sensible of NX to opt for E400 double deckers as the Volvo B5 and Wright Streetdeck only have 5 litre, 4 cylinder engines and going too small with the engine has not generally been successful. The Leyland Tiger Cub, Bristol, with the Gardner 4LK and more recently the Volvo B6 were not popular. Reading these columns some drivers prefer the Trident to the E400 as it has the bigger Cummins engine.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on June 29, 2015, 08:49:46 PM
I think it sensible of NX to opt for E400 double deckers as the Volvo B5 and Wright Streetdeck only have 5 litre, 4 cylinder engines and going too small with the engine has not generally been successful. The Leyland Tiger Cub, Bristol, with the Gardner 4LK and more recently the Volvo B6 were not popular. Reading these columns some drivers prefer the Trident to the E400 as it has the bigger Cummins engine.
Engine technology has gone in leaps and bounds since the era mentioned and are not comparable.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on June 29, 2015, 08:49:46 PM
I think it sensible of NX to opt for E400 double deckers as the Volvo B5 and Wright Streetdeck only have 5 litre, 4 cylinder engines and going too small with the engine has not generally been successful. The Leyland Tiger Cub, Bristol, with the Gardner 4LK and more recently the Volvo B6 were not popular. Reading these columns some drivers prefer the Trident to the E400 as it has the bigger Cummins engine.
The engine in the Volvo B5 is rated at 320-340bhp
The engine in the Volvo B9 is rated at 300-320bhp
The Wrights body on a B5 is also lighter than that on a B9
I think you will find it is nothing to do with engine size as I keep saying, it is all to do with gearbox mappping to get the best fuel efficiency
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 29, 2015, 07:03:10 PM
I wonder if any other companies are having problems with the MMCs or is it just NE?
The NX Enviro200MMC batch are the first production buses aren't they?
Quote from: John on June 29, 2015, 09:09:53 PM
The NX Enviro200MMC batch are the first production buses aren't they?
They are, One of the London companies was due to put some on the road this week, but I don't think they have them yet
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2015, 09:04:01 PM
The engine in the Volvo B5 is rated at 320-340bhp
The engine in the Volvo B9 is rated at 300-320bhp
The Wrights body on a B5 is also lighter than that on a B9
I think you will find it is nothing to do with engine size as I keep saying, it is all to do with gearbox mappping to get the best fuel efficiency
The B5TL is only 240 bhp which is why it struggles a bit on the steep hills out of Eastbourne with Brighton and Hove. But as you say suitable engine mapping would mean it's quite adequate for reasonably flat terrain.
Quote from: Stevo on June 29, 2015, 09:30:26 PM
The B5TL is only 240 bhp which is why it struggles a bit on the steep hills out of Eastbourne with Brighton and Hove. But as you say suitable engine mapping would mean it's quite adequate for reasonably flat terrain.
Aren't the Brighton ones Daimler engined Streetdecks rather than B5TLs? Mind you, the engine in those is apparently only 231 bhp. I'd hoped, before 'the deal' was signed, that AG and WB might be the recipients of some new Wrightbus DDs.
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2015, 09:12:48 PM
They are, One of the London companies was due to put some on the road this week, but I don't think they have them yet
That could be Stagecoach London from Romford garge for the 499, however planned introduction has been put back to August.
Sorry - of course the Brighton ones are Streetdecks. The engine is about the same size as the B5TLs, though. I would have preferred that NXWM would have dual-sourced and we'd have Wrightbus and ADL products.
Couple of Alexander Dennis vans in the depot today, along with a third unidentifiable white van and a TWM logo'd Transit.
Also the Health Bus, and a Mansfield Truck with a Scania on the back of it,
Two Plaxton breakdowns this morning too.
Sounds a busy morning there - let's hope ADL are sorting out the kingpins in that case!
This is nothing new the ADL ENVIRO 200 MMC is a brand new design of bus you going to get teething problems, when the mercs were introduced to hockley garage during the summer of 99 it had more than its fair share of issues, the back window was nightmare it's now on its third type, 2 opening exits were tried and failed then they bonded the glass to the body and fitted glass hammers which members of the public liked stealing, coolant leaking, countless electrical gremlins, plenty of break downs as well. For Mercedes product they were awfull to be honest ,mind you back then Mercedes were in cost cutting era not the case today I hear citaros are simply awesome buses. The PLAXTON VOLVOS suffered issues when new as well.
I read somewhere the engine fitted to the new VOLVO B5TL is a NISSAN unit the power figures quoted quite an achievement over the B9TL. Volvo really messed up introducing B9TLto the double deck market they should have carried on developing the B7TL, just may be if they did we would have more Volvo DD in the fleet. I also hear B9TL heavy on the juice as well? is it any faster than the B7TL?
I,ll never know unless ARRIVA Tamworth feel generous enough to allow me to trash one of there's about to compare, wishful thinking.
True actually - suppose most bus types have teething issues at the start. Scanias had issues with the doors a fair bit - certainly in the first few weeks of service the doors would randomly open/close and took some getting used to operating them. Citaros are quality vehicles - best on the market - ridden on them as a passenger on the 82 in Solihull and they are excellent. Drivers like them as well - good spacious cab and have good acceleration. Barely rattle as well due to the quality of materials.
Quote from: Liberator9 on June 30, 2015, 12:47:55 PM
True actually - suppose most bus types have teething issues at the start. Scanias had issues with the doors a fair bit - certainly in the first few weeks of service the doors would randomly open/close and took some getting used to operating them. Citaros are quality vehicles - best on the market - ridden on them as a passenger on the 82 in Solihull and they are excellent. Drivers like them as well - good spacious cab and have good acceleration. Barely rattle as well due to the quality of materials.
I'm sure Simon could probably tell you of some horror stories of Citaros as well, and their 'Quality materials'
Already heard some - still heard they're good to drive however and when looked after well perform well (e.g Go Ahead in Oxford). They still beat the poor quality Optares - had black smoke come pouring into one of the SRs a few months back, interior still blackened towards the rear (MFY I think).
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2015, 06:21:55 PM
It is causing a couple of annoyances more than problems, as I have put on another thread there is actually no rush to get the remaining hit list vehicles off the road at the moment.
Good job really as the issues with the E200MMC's I would assume are not exactly doing ADL any favours with NXWM at the moment.
According to the brochures, while the suspension on the front of the E200MMC is new, the axle itself is the same as in the old E200, so I wonder why the difficulty? I know it sounds harsh, but surely this is too fundamental to be called a teething problem.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on June 30, 2015, 02:42:25 PM
Good job really as the issues with the E200MMC's I would assume are not exactly doing ADL any favours with NXWM at the moment.
It's obviously good kudos for NX to be the first operator in the country to have these buses in service, but as already mentioned being an 'early-adopter' of anything new you get stuck with the 'teething issues'.
It was the same case when I used to be involved with computer hardware; the latest technology would hit the market, and the 'early-adopters' who bought brand new graphics cards and motherboards, as well as some software, would suffer the same teething issues, and would wait patiently for patches and updates before the technology 'matured'. Meanwhile, the people who waited around six months before upgrading, usually had no hiccups left to endure. 8)
Back in our reality, other operators who are waiting until later this year, or the next, to purchase E200MMCs will be satisfied that by the time theirs roll off the production line, the beta testing will be finished. ;)
I remember when the Presidents came onto the 37 in Jan 2000 - they were awful. They would just stop for no reason - electronics, I presume. Coolant leaked from the ceiling onto the rear wheel arches or the passengers, the air systems made a constant whining sound, and one BC one I was on belched out steam from the back - coolant leaking onto the exhaust pipe. The design was rushed, though, as Volvo had wanted to use the B7L with in-line rear engine for double deckers and had to change at the last moment.
We've been given loads of guff by ADL as to how with the MMC vehicles customers were involved with the design. Perhaps they forgot to ask the customers how tight they wanted the kingpins.
2203 and another now parked in front of A/B bay in garage so almost definitely should be out tomorrow (as they'll block at least 25 buses in otherwise lol.
Also another has gained 37 branding. Simple yet informative branding it seems. Same colour as 'The One' on the Metrobuses.
I'll be waiting for a ride!
Quote from: Stu on June 30, 2015, 07:06:51 PM
It's obviously good kudos for NX to be the first operator in the country to have these buses in service, but as already mentioned being an 'early-adopter' of anything new you get stuck with the 'teething issues'.
It was the same case when I used to be involved with computer hardware; the latest technology would hit the market, and the 'early-adopters' who bought brand new graphics cards and motherboards, as well as some software, would suffer the same teething issues, and would wait patiently for patches and updates before the technology 'matured'. Meanwhile, the people who waited around six months before upgrading, usually had no hiccups left to endure. 8)
Back in our reality, other operators who are waiting until later this year, or the next, to purchase E200MMCs will be satisfied that by the time theirs roll off the production line, the beta testing will be finished. ;)
Yes, but were they not originally returned to ADL for poor build quality, surely something like that should be picked up when they are inspected prior to leaving the factory.
You would have thought that ADL would have wanted to make sure the first production MMCs were in an excellent condition, after all, quite a number of other bus companies are probably watching before they place orders.
Quote from: Stevo on June 30, 2015, 07:17:08 PM
I'll be waiting for a ride!
Unless of course they break down. Also I said almost definitely so please don't count on it. Tony may know for sure.
Quote from: MW on June 30, 2015, 07:14:27 PM
2203 and another now parked in front of A/B bay in garage so almost definitely should be out tomorrow (as they'll block at least 25 buses in otherwise lol.
Also another has gained 37 branding. Simple yet informative branding it seems. Same colour as 'The One' on the Metrobuses.
I would be surprised is 2203/4 come out, they have stop start technology which apparantly drivers need teaching in.
Quote from: Stu on June 30, 2015, 07:06:51 PM
It's obviously good kudos for NX to be the first operator in the country to have these buses in service, but as already mentioned being an 'early-adopter' of anything new you get stuck with the 'teething issues'.
It was the same case when I used to be involved with computer hardware; the latest technology would hit the market, and the 'early-adopters' who bought brand new graphics cards and motherboards, as well as some software, would suffer the same teething issues, and would wait patiently for patches and updates before the technology 'matured'. Meanwhile, the people who waited around six months before upgrading, usually had no hiccups left to endure. 8)
Back in our reality, other operators who are waiting until later this year, or the next, to purchase E200MMCs will be satisfied that by the time theirs roll off the production line, the beta testing will be finished. ;)
@Stu, did you catch the 37 not long ago today from Sparkbrook to Acocks Green? If so what bus was it. I was driving 4639, which had virtually no power.
Quote from: MW on June 30, 2015, 07:20:38 PM
@Stu, did you catch the 37 not long ago today from Sparkbrook to Acocks Green? If so what bus was it. I was driving 4639, which had virtually no power.
I think it was 4639 actually - sorry if I didn't recognise you! - the journey home did seem as if the bus was struggling, as passengers were being jerked around everywhere! At the lights at the Highgate Road junction, the cooling fans increased as if the bus was being revved, but it took a few seconds before the bus jerked away. (I got on at Auckland Road, was wearing brown shorts, blue t-shirt and shades, if you recall me!)
Quote from: Stu on June 30, 2015, 07:45:31 PM
I think it was 4639 actually - sorry if I didn't recognise you! - the journey home did seem as if the bus was struggling, as passengers were being jerked around everywhere! At the lights at the Highgate Road junction, the cooling fans increased as if the bus was being revved, but it took a few seconds before the bus jerked away. (I got on at Auckland Road, was wearing brown shorts, blue t-shirt and shades, if you recall me!)
Yeah it was me driving,
It's because I was revving to approx 1200rpm and then releasing the handbrake on inclines and slightly less rpm on flat surfaces. Camp Hill roundabout was a nightmare. Something definitely wrong with that bus!
2204 up & down Fox Hollies Road 'Not in service' at 10.15
6148 came through Olton today, possibly still driver training.
Quote from: Stevo on July 01, 2015, 05:46:54 PM
6148 came through Olton today, possibly still driver training.
It was at AG today, the ADL guys were looking at it as well as the other MMCs, management starting to get peed off with lack of space in garage due to non functioning MMCs lol.
Quote from: MW on July 01, 2015, 06:03:20 PM
It was at AG today, the ADL guys were looking at it as well as the other MMCs, management starting to get peed off with lack of space in garage due to non functioning MMCs lol.
6148 did a Private Hire to Stratford today, driven by a member of staff from AG. I had 6147 on the same job. When 6148 was passing through Olton it was on its way either to or from AG/Stratford. It was only parked in the garage while the AG driver did some other work, If ADL were looking at it, it was only noseyness, nothing wrong with it
The pink 37 branding looks interesting, it would be interesting to see what the 71/2 branding would look like, is the back of the back of the bus branded like the E400 MMC's?
Are the 71/2 services going to get branding this time round then?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 02, 2015, 06:41:27 AM
Are the 71/2 services going to get branding this time round then?
Acording to the main site, yes although what I'm wondering is, will the colour scheme be the same
Really like the 37 branding on these - neatly done and fits the bus well. I actually quite like the design on these now - smart and certainly unique. Looking forward to seeing them out - I assume later this week or Monday?
I agree - much better than the huge 37 in white on the windows of the Omnilinks.
What's the liklyhood of a MMC dropping on a 37 Saturday?
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 02, 2015, 11:57:25 AM
What's the liklyhood of a MMC dropping on a 37 Saturday?
Seems unlikely as their hasn't been any word on them being sorted out yet
Ive seen all the comments about the 200 mmc's and others needing attention from adl but what is actually the problem with them?
@WB Well at first it was issues with 2201, 02, 03 - build quality issues, so they had to be sent back to Scarborough - that was back in May. That was all sorted and now they've come down along with 2204 etc to AG. The issue is now I think, is the Kingpins that need adjusting on the suspension - apparently not up to NX standards - they're safe of course but just need adjusting. Other than that probably just having branding applied, ticket machines and trackers etc. being installed. Hopefully they'll be out soon.
Quote from: Liberator9 on July 02, 2015, 12:50:40 PM
@WB
Well at first it was issues with 2201, 02, 03 - build quality issues, so they had to be sent back to Scarborough - that was back in May. That was all sorted and now they've come down along with 2204 etc to AG. The issue is now I think, is the Kingpins that need adjusting on the suspension - apparently not up to NX standards - they're safe of course but just need adjusting. Other than that probably just having branding applied, ticket machines and trackers etc. being installed. Hopefully they'll be out soon.
Oh right thanks for that! I'd seen the build quality issues just wondered what else was wrong. I'm a driver at west brom so as you can imagine we're hoping your e200 mmc's are sorted pretty fast so that we get the scanias ;)
Nope still not ready. We've got around 10 in now and due out that amount of Scanias to WB, apparently.
Quote from: MW on July 02, 2015, 01:53:42 PM
Nope still not ready. We've got around 10 in now and due out that amount of Scanias to WB, apparently.
They are perfectly ready, 3 will be in service this afternoon
Anybody in Carrs Lane around 17:00 might be lucky enough to find one
These will not replace 10 Scanias to WB
Quote from: Tony on July 02, 2015, 01:56:39 PM
They are perfectly ready, 3 will be in service this afternoon
Anybody in Carrs Lane around 17:00 might be lucky enough to find one
These will not replace 10 Scanias to WB
Ok
In garage now, 2206 looks like it's being VCR'd.
Quote from: MW on July 02, 2015, 02:30:13 PM
Ok
In garage now, 2206 looks like it's being VCR'd.
2201/2/6 should all come out
@WB No problem - Haha yeah - sure you'll all be eagerly awaiting the Scanias! They're good solid buses - Beats the ADL E400s WB seem to have en masse currently ;D
Interesting - so I could be right in that some may go to WA, or YW....
2201 2202 and 2206 will be leaving garage now in next 10 minutes !
Quote from: Tony on July 02, 2015, 02:33:33 PM
2201/2/6 should all come out
so we should see a few out tomorrow on 37
@Tony
Quote from: Jaysnerz007 on July 02, 2015, 02:39:25 PM
2201 2202 and 2206 will be leaving garage now in next 10 minutes !
2202/6 just left, going down Westley Road.
2206 is coming back to garage after being on 37 battery light keeps coming on and engine cutting out
Yes! Saw 2202 leaving Carrs Lane on a 37 at 1630 this afternoon.
I was on 2202 on that departure. Nice bright and roomy interior, but I wasn't overly blown away by the bus in general. However it is early days and they may grow on me when I use them more regularly on the 72.
I do like the two piece rear window, the top part curves into the roof dome. A shame that this nice looking feature will be obscured by rear branding on many of the batch.
Unfortunately I have an ingrown disliking of the Dart. Any spec from any operator. I know that these are very, very different vehicles, but it's hard to shake off the preconception that this is just another Dart.
On the plus side they are much better than the E300's I used to use regularly on the 144 when new. Much better seating and legroom.
I came in on it at 1540 from Olton. I was very impressed indeed! The internal layout is much better than Omnilinks and B7RLEs where rear passengers are almost touching the ceiling. The ride was streets ahead of the earlier E200s and better than the E400 MMCs - it was the most impressive aspect of the bus. I was expecting to feel every crack, pothole and drain but it floated over them. The Voith was smooth as always though the driver took a few stops to get the feel of the retarder. The most surprising thing was the weight - only 7956kg. Less than 8 tonnes for a full 45 seater! The only thing I could find to criticize was a rattle from the engine compartment at low RPM, something that should be easily fixable. I couldn't work out where they fit the extra two seats, though! And it didn't Stop/Strart.
Quote from: Stevo on July 02, 2015, 06:29:34 PM
I came in on it at 1540 from Olton. I was very impressed indeed! The internal layout is much better than Omnilinks and B7RLEs where rear passengers are almost touching the ceiling. The ride was streets ahead of the earlier E200s and better than the E400 MMCs - it was the most impressive aspect of the bus. I was expecting to feel every crack, pothole and drain but it floated over them. The Voith was smooth as always though the driver took a few stops to get the feel of the retarder. The most surprising thing was the weight - only 7956kg. Less than 8 tonnes for a full 45 seater! The only thing I could find to criticize was a rattle from the engine compartment at low RPM, something that should be easily fixable. I couldn't work out where they fit the extra two seats, though! And it didn't Stop/Strart.
Only 2203/4 will stop start
Anyone else think there's quite a resemblance between the new E200MMC's and SB120/Plaxton Centros, particularly towards the back? (Photos not my own)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55059449@N06/14358254264/in/photolist-ak9Zfr-akcrRL-5SwLk4-5SB6Qq-jKLitR-pqXJkU-pHn9iM-nSMNL1-b53r4t-dhzsqC
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/2201-2250/2204.html
Are these out all evening now, if they started in the afternoon? Or any chance of one ending up on an evening 31? :D
Quote from: Stu on July 02, 2015, 07:26:45 PM
Are these out all evening now, if they started in the afternoon? Or any chance of one ending up on an evening 31? :D
It would have done if it had stayed out, but all 3 back in garage now
Is there any reason 2201, 2202 and 2203 do not appear in the June changes?
Quote from: Eric Shaw on July 02, 2015, 08:05:45 PM
Is there any reason 2201, 2202 and 2203 do not appear in the June changes?
Only that they were new in May even if they didn't enter service, shame I didn't include them in May
Referring to your post #813, while maximum engine power is important for buses I believe the torque curve is also important. The speed range of max torque is less with smaller engines. This is overcome by having more speeds in the gearbox as well as sophisticated engine management.I may well be proved wrong
, but I am still of the opinion that engines can go too small. The small engine in the Citaro bendies caused problems in London and Berlin.
Quote from: Tony on July 02, 2015, 07:40:13 PM
It would have done if it had stayed out, but all 3 back in garage now
Hopefully a few more will come out to play in the morning then!
Quote from: Stu on July 02, 2015, 08:52:49 PM
Hopefully a few more will come out to play in the morning then!
I'm on the 37 tomorrow, so hopefully I'll get one!
Quote from: MW on July 02, 2015, 08:54:29 PM
I'm on the 37 tomorrow, so hopefully I'll get one!
What time?
2201 now out on the 31
Quote from: Dom on July 02, 2015, 09:03:45 PM
What time?
Between 7am-11am and 1.30pm-5.30pm, then a trip on the circle from 6pm-8.30pm
Long day for you - for some reason I thought most duties only had two different segments.
Quote from: Liberator9 on July 02, 2015, 09:07:44 PM
Long day for you - for some reason I thought most duties only had two different segments.
They do, I'm doing overtime.
Quote from: Liberator9 on July 02, 2015, 09:07:44 PM
Long day for you - for some reason I thought most duties only had two different segments.
Most are. The trip on the 11 could be overtime.
Ahh right - makes sense now. Forgot about the overtime element!
Quote from: Liberator9 on July 02, 2015, 09:15:51 PM
Ahh right - makes sense now. Forgot about the overtime element!
My duty is only 5 hours on Sunday, and it's taking the bus out of garage and back in, so perfect day to do some overtime.
Sounds good - nice bit of extra money
Plenty of overtime at AG at the moment, I might turn up there on Saturday yet!
@Tony Nice - have you had a chance to drive one of the E200MMCs yet?
How many of the MMCs are out today? Was going to hit the Green to see if I can spot any at lunch
Quote from: Dutsey on July 03, 2015, 09:31:09 AM
How many of the MMCs are out today? Was going to hit the Green to see if I can spot any at lunch
Just 2 at the moment
2201/2206
2201 still out, but 2206 gone back to garage. 2202 however is now out.
2201-1035 Birmingham-Solihull with
@Dom and
@trident4370 onboard
2202- 1104 Birmingham-Acocks Green
I was driving 2206 today, what are the chances eh. Had it private to Solihull then to Birmingham. It broke down, alternator is gone, drove it back to garage NIS. Being repaired as we speak. Got replaced by 1936! 2201/2 are still on. 2206 would have been on the 31 later but 1936 will be instead. Also 2209 just arrived.
UID E200MMC seen at Swan Island turning left off Coventry Road into Yardley Road heading back to depot I would guess this was about 12:20 was on opposite side of island by Tesco's waiting for the 11A
@MW Forget what I just said - just saw your review in the other thread - had a ride on 2201 today and it was excellent - very smooth suspension, no rattling and very smartly done.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on July 03, 2015, 02:05:08 PM
UID E200MMC seen at Swan Island turning left off Coventry Road into Yardley Road heading back to depot I would guess this was about 12:20 was on opposite side of island by Tesco's waiting for the 11A
It would be one on delivery, 2209; 2210 & 2211 have all arrived today
Quote from: Tony on July 03, 2015, 02:10:34 PM
It would be one on delivery, 2209; 2210 & 2211 have all arrived today
Cheers Tony at first glance I thought it was an Attain Coach until it turned & realised it was a MMC. Looking good from what I saw of the rear
Turns out my bus has been swapped for 7021 now!
@MW Clearly the running board is cursed - third bus today for it!
Quote from: Liberator9 on July 03, 2015, 02:40:34 PM
@MW
Clearly the running board is cursed - third bus today for it!
No.
2205 coming out to play this afternoon
Quote from: Tony on July 03, 2015, 03:40:29 PM
2205 coming out to play this afternoon
Anymore of them gracing us with their pleasure today or is AG going to go easy on them and allow them out to play over the weekend instead ;D
im hoping theres a few E200MMC's out tomorrow on 37 to ride on :)
Quote from: Liberator9 on July 03, 2015, 02:40:34 PM
@MW
Clearly the running board is cursed - third bus today for it!
No, I'm on my second portion now. Earlier 2206 was swapped for 1936. My current bus was supposed to be 1944, it had an oil light on and is now 7021. Currently at Solihull station leaving at 1632
My mistake - thought you mean 1936 had been swapped - stupid me :)
Hopefully they will! Have a fair few to catch still - 1 out of 50 ;D
2201 and 2202 still out; 2202 should be in city shortly if it hasn't left already.
Travelled on 2201 this morning, while I wasn't overwhelmed by it, certainly could get used to travelling on these every day! Driver must have been running a bit late, there were luckily some good stretches of open road leaving Acocks Green (for a change), these do pick up speed quite nicely, and from my perspective as a passenger, having the bigger 6cyl engine really makes a difference as the bus doesn't struggle to get going.
Journey was quite smooth, apart from going over some potholes, it was good to see the driver seemed to enjoy the experience as well, enthusiastically waving and hooting other drivers as he passed them!
Very pleased so far, though it will be interesting to see how the bus copes with a full standing load, as compared to the Scanias, the area for standing seems smaller, and like the Eclipse 2 there doesn't seem to be many handrails in convenient positions to stand safely. There's no upright rail near the door though, so that might discourage some people from standing there, hopefully!
One final thing that amused me actually, was the sound of the stop bell; it's a nice cute 'ding-ding' sound, that's not that loud, so it shouldn't be annoying when people keep pressing it.
Wheres the driver change for the 37?
Quote from: Dom on July 03, 2015, 07:54:46 PM
Wheres the driver change for the 37?
Acock Green Village
Quote from: Stu on July 03, 2015, 07:52:30 PM
2201 and 2202 still out; 2202 should be in city shortly if it hasn't left already.
Travelled on 2201 this morning, while I wasn't overwhelmed by it, certainly could get used to travelling on these every day! Driver must have been running a bit late, there were luckily some good stretches of open road leaving Acocks Green (for a change), these do pick up speed quite nicely, and from my perspective as a passenger, having the bigger 6cyl engine really makes a difference as the bus doesn't struggle to get going.
Journey was quite smooth, apart from going over some potholes, it was good to see the driver seemed to enjoy the experience as well, enthusiastically waving and hooting other drivers as he passed them!
Very pleased so far, though it will be interesting to see how the bus copes with a full standing load, as compared to the Scanias, the area for standing seems smaller, and like the Eclipse 2 there doesn't seem to be many handrails in convenient positions to stand safely. There's no upright rail near the door though, so that might discourage some people from standing there, hopefully!
One final thing that amused me actually, was the sound of the stop bell; it's a nice cute 'ding-ding' sound, that's not that loud, so it shouldn't be annoying when people keep pressing it.
Is the bell the same as the standard e400MMC then?
Yeah it is - if not a bit quieter.
Don't know if this is just an error, but the NX website says that Acocks Green are receiving 65 new Enviro200s?
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/new-buses-on-the-37
Do the 200MMC's have the same cab layout as the 400MMC?
Quote from: Dom on July 03, 2015, 08:47:37 PM
Do the 200MMC's have the same cab layout as the 400MMC?
Yes, you only have to have type training on one to be allowed to drive both
Quote from: Tony on July 03, 2015, 08:53:03 PM
Yes, you only have to have type training on one to be allowed to drive both
I had to be type trained on both e200 and e400 mk2 even though they're both the same to drive. The only difference was the radio button is behind the driver
Quote from: BU07 LGO on July 03, 2015, 09:31:11 PM
I had to be type trained on both e200 and e400 mk2 even though they're both the same to drive. The only difference was the radio button is behind the driver
Rules changed now
@MW is that you driving 2206 on Tony's latest picture?
Quote from: Dom on July 03, 2015, 10:27:29 PM
@MW is that you driving 2206 on Tony's latest picture?
Nah that picture was taken after it was repaired. That guy had it after ADL fixed it.
2207 is on display today from 11am to 4pm at the Acocks Green Carnival, at the Recreation Ground on Westley Road, if anyone wants a closer look.
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11667350_986766584701709_266878610020082936_n.jpg?oh=53515b1b02672d2efa14c107036c51ae&oe=562AD599)
Photo from: https://www.facebook.com/nxwestmidlands/photos/a.373247266053647.97051.204017859643256/986766584701709/?type=1&theater
2205 and 2206 are out on the 37
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 04, 2015, 03:26:53 PM
2205 and 2206 are out on the 37
I traveled on 2206 from Birmingham to Acocks Green today and I can't say I was overwhelmed by the vehicle inside, or the livery. Inside though my opinion was probably tarnished by the amount of rubbish left by previous passengers!
When riding 2201 yesterday it was turning heads in Sparkbrook and Acocks Green - some were commenting how it was a "nice new bus." Shame about the amount of rubbish - yesterday it was spotless on 2201. I know the Colmore Row buses are cleaned at stops, but what about the 37, 6, 50, 35? If they're not, there should be some effort to - some 6's and 50's by the afternoon have metros everywhere, rolling cans etc.
Quote from: Liberator9 on July 04, 2015, 05:52:40 PM
When riding 2201 yesterday it was turning heads in Sparkbrook and Acocks Green - some were commenting how it was a "nice new bus." Shame about the amount of rubbish - yesterday it was spotless on 2201. I know the Colmore Row buses are cleaned at stops, but what about the 37, 6, 50, 35? If they're not, there should be some effort to - some 6's and 50's by the afternoon have metros everywhere, rolling cans etc.
I do think the amount of rubbish left on buses is an issue that needs to be addressed by NXWM.
How to solve it though is not an easy problem, unless one uses a Sten gun at the end of the journey, which I understand is not politically correct!
The amount of rubbish can however discourage new customers from using buses again.
Quote from: Bryan on July 04, 2015, 06:56:28 PM
I do think the amount of rubbish left on buses is an issue that needs to be addressed by NXWM.
How to solve it though is not an easy problem, unless one uses a Sten gun at the end of the journey, which I understand is not politically correct!
The amount of rubbish can however discourage new customers from using buses again.
One partial fix could be that NE stop giving away the Metro on there buses!
Quote from: Liberator9 on July 04, 2015, 05:52:40 PM
When riding 2201 yesterday it was turning heads in Sparkbrook and Acocks Green - some were commenting how it was a "nice new bus." Shame about the amount of rubbish - yesterday it was spotless on 2201. I know the Colmore Row buses are cleaned at stops, but what about the 37, 6, 50, 35? If they're not, there should be some effort to - some 6's and 50's by the afternoon have metros everywhere, rolling cans etc.
37 is cleaned at Solihull Station.
@MW Thanks - was unaware of that! I wonder if the 6 is done at all in City in that case?
The mention of 65 new single deckers for AG is probably an error and includes the 15 E200's delivered earlier in the year.
@Tony Silly question but when are the next batch of AG E200MMC's due for delivery & lol will there be any issues with them too? hopefully not of course anyway you may of mentioned it previously somewhere in the thread but I'm not sure TBH.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on July 05, 2015, 12:56:42 PM
@Tony Silly question but when are the next batch of AG E200MMC's due for delivery & lol will there be any issues with them too? hopefully not of course anyway you may of mentioned it previously somewhere in the thread but I'm not sure TBH.
Well it is a bit of a silly question. If I knew there was going to be issues with them so would both Alexander Dennis & NXWM, so the wouldn't bother delivering them.
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2015, 01:44:40 PM
Well it is a bit of a silly question. If I knew there was going to be issues with them so would both Alexander Dennis & NXWM, so the wouldn't bother delivering them.
I would have thought they'll retrofit any rectifications developed for the first few buses to the rest of the build.
Judging by my ride on 2201 (which I will now shut up about ;) ), ADL have done a good job. They go along well and looked well built. Sure the issues that've been experienced are just teething troubles that will be ironed out. The E400MMC and 200MMC are new, young designs that are bound to have faults at the start, like new cars. Anyway 2201-2211 are now all at AG, so deliveries are ongoing and not delayed.
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2015, 01:44:40 PM
Well it is a bit of a silly question. If I knew there was going to be issues with them so would both Alexander Dennis & NXWM, so the wouldn't bother delivering them.
Yes it was but what I really meant was are there any MMC's due for delivery this week??
Quote from: Squiz1971 on July 05, 2015, 04:39:05 PM
Yes it was but what I really meant was are there any MMC's due for delivery this week??
2209-11 Arrived Friday, photos on main site, and they will continue to arrive as normal
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2015, 04:49:43 PM
2209-11 Arrived Friday, photos on main site, and they will continue to arrive as normal
Ok mate cheers, are they going to continue coming down in dribs and drabs still or is a larger batch going to be delivered to make up for the earlier teething problems?
2201 and think it was 2202 out on 37 today
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on July 06, 2015, 01:06:42 PM
2201 and think it was 2202 out on 37 today
2206 is out as well today.
By chance saw 2201 on 37 passing Moor Street outbound about 13:05.
37 branded 2209 just about to leave city
Any MMC's on 37 today?
might go Solihull or Birmingham to photograph them
One passed through Olton to city at about 0855.
Quote from: Stevo on July 07, 2015, 09:15:39 AM
One passed through Olton to city at about 0855.
At least 4 out, possibly 6
Quote from: Tony on July 07, 2015, 09:17:18 AM
At least 4 out, possibly 6
2201/ 2202/ 2205 /2206/ 2209 /2211 seen so far on 37
Quote2201/ 2202/ 2205 /2206/ 2209 /2211 seen so far on 37
Yes, just travelled the length of the 37 from Solihull (on 4670 :) ) and saw the same six.
Travelled home this evening on 2211 8)
Wasn't so impressed by this one, was sat near the back and it seemed to make some funny indescribable noises while moving...
I found this problem when I caught an MMC earlier, the one I was on sounded unwell made what I can only describe as a grinding noise, also alot of vibration from up top when pulling off.
I think one has made it onto the evening 31s; just seen one go past my kitchen window a couple of minutes ago. If that's the case, it's heading for Birmingham now.
Quote from: Stu on July 07, 2015, 08:14:01 PM
I think one has made it onto the evening 31s; just seen one go past my kitchen window a couple of minutes ago. If that's the case, it's heading for Birmingham now.
Probably 2201 you saw. Took a peek at the Running Board whilst aboard it earlier and it is a late board.
Quote from: danny on July 07, 2015, 08:08:09 PM
I found this problem when I caught an MMC earlier, the one I was on sounded unwell made what I can only describe as a grinding noise, also alot of vibration from up top when pulling off.
I noticed that on my first ride last Thursday. I went on two today and they both had the same sounds from the engine compartment - something loose, vibrating on low engine revs. Get the sticky tape out!
Perhaps just normal with the Euro 6 and Voith set up - other thing (but very much doubt) could be it's the regeneration process occuring - that makes a metallic type sound.
Quote from: Nathan on July 07, 2015, 08:17:53 PM
Probably 2201 you saw. Took a peek at the Running Board whilst aboard it earlier and it is a late board.
Yes, it was 2201, saw it come past in the opposite direction about an hour later.
Quote from: Liberator9 on July 07, 2015, 09:46:50 PM
Perhaps just normal with the Euro 6 and Voith set up - other thing (but very much doubt) could be it's the regeneration process occuring - that makes a metallic type sound.
The E400 MMCs have the same engine and I've not heard anything strange.
2210 on 11:47 to Solihull
If anyone wants a picture
2208 out today on the 37
I came home on 2203 yesterday, with the stop-start. Silence in Carrs Lane at the stop! It's rather strange but seemed to work well enough. I think it only works when the parking brake is applied. In cars it usually works as long as you keep your foot on the footbrake when the vehicle's stationary, but I suppose that would be too much with a bus.
Quote from: Stevo on July 09, 2015, 09:29:58 AM
I came home on 2203 yesterday, with the stop-start. Silence in Carrs Lane at the stop! It's rather strange but seemed to work well enough. I think it only works when the parking brake is applied. In cars it usually works as long as you keep your foot on the footbrake when the vehicle's stationary, but I suppose that would be too much with a bus.
I wonder how many 'ohh what's happened, has it broken down' comments they will be?!!
Didn't get the fleetnumber again, but if anyone is looking for E200MMCs in unfamiliar places, there's one on the evening 31Es, went past my house around 12 minutes ago towards Birmingham.
EDIT: Make that two, 2201 just passed my house heading towards Robin Hood.
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on July 09, 2015, 09:58:08 AM
I wonder how many 'ohh what's happened, has it broken down' comments they will be?!!
I suspect the non stop start ones will produce similar comments based on current form.
Quote from: Stu on July 09, 2015, 08:51:36 PM
Didn't get the fleetnumber again, but if anyone is looking for E200MMCs in unfamiliar places, there's one on the evening 31Es, went past my house around 12 minutes ago towards Birmingham.
EDIT: Make that two, 2201 just passed my house heading towards Robin Hood.
There was one on the 5 yesterday.
It's fairly standard and permanent on the 31 though seeing as there all 37 boards.
What annoys me is even if it's branded, it's still put on routes like the 5/31, like I saw yesterday. It's difficult to make sure it's not branded as they're sent out as where they are parked in garage, but it'd be nice if it were to happen.
I have a feeling the 11 is soon to be branded up as well. That is "speculation" of course.
Quote from: MW on July 09, 2015, 11:11:01 PM
There was one on the 5 yesterday.
It's fairly standard and permanent on the 31 though seeing as there all 37 boards.
What annoys me is even if it's branded, it's still put on routes like the 5/31, like I saw yesterday. It's difficult to make sure it's not branded as they're sent out as where they are parked in garage, but it'd be nice if it were to happen.
I have a feeling the 11 is soon to be branded up as well. That is "speculation" of course.
I sincerely it gets branded ! You'd think arguably the company's most famous route, it requires branding ! I just hope they were waiting for more and more Geminis
Tony mentioned a while back that the 11 was set to be branded (About the time the 35 was branded). Still the case i wonder?
Will the MMC 200 be branded for the 71&72 as well as the 37
Quote from: Solo1 on July 10, 2015, 07:01:28 AM
Will the MMC 200 be branded for the 71&72 as well as the 37
Yes, 2225-44 will be 71/72 branded.
Quote from: MW on July 09, 2015, 11:11:01 PM
There was one on the 5 yesterday.
It's fairly standard and permanent on the 31 though seeing as there all 37 boards.
I know the evening 31Es come off the 37, I was just letting the 'new bus' hunters know where to look! ;)
Give it a few more weeks, there'll be even fewer 'unusual workings' at AG once there's only one single deck type there.
Morning :)
any MMC's out today?
currently looking for
2203 , 2204 , 2207 , 2208 , 2211
2212 and 2213 are now taxed, can anyone confirm that have they been delivered?
2202 , 2204 , 2205 , 2209 on 37 so far
Quick question...
Are there any AG routes that use single deckers on a Sunday as opposed to double deckers during the week?
Quote from: AV4248 on July 11, 2015, 11:25:24 AM
Quick question...
Are there any AG routes that use single deckers on a Sunday as opposed to double deckers during the week?
Off the top of my head, doesn't the 1 sometimes use singles ona Sunday?
Yeah, both the 1 and 966 use single deckers on a Sunday
Quote from: AV4248 on July 11, 2015, 11:25:24 AM
Quick question...
Are there any AG routes that use single deckers on a Sunday as opposed to double deckers during the week?
1 and 966, possibly the 5 also.
Although it has been commented in recent weeks that doubles have been used on a Sunday on both the 1 and 966, but this has no doubt just been down to the increased number of doubles available.
Thanks for the replies.
How about the 31? Does that use singles or doubles?
Just planning for a round trip to Solihull tomorrow.
Quote from: AV4248 on July 11, 2015, 12:00:17 PM
Thanks for the replies.
How about the 31? Does that use singles or doubles?
Just planning for a round trip to Solihull tomorrow.
31 is double-decks during the day, evening 31E journeys come off the 37, so could be whatever appears on there.
(This applies of course every day of the week, not just Sundays)
Quote from: Stu on July 11, 2015, 11:49:45 AM
1 and 966, possibly the 5 also.
Although it has been commented in recent weeks that doubles have been used on a Sunday on both the 1 and 966, but this has no doubt just been down to the increased number of doubles available.
Some Sunday boards have a trip on the 5, then 37s during the day then 31E in the evening. Well my one did anyway a few Sunday's ago.
When will 2207&8 be out on the road
Quote from: Solo1 on July 12, 2015, 01:56:01 PM
When will 2207&8 be out on the road
They have both been out lots of times and mentioned on here
Rumour has it that the MMCs are to be banned from the 5. I doubt it, but the reason being is it can't make some of the turns very easily. Sarehole Road to Cole Bank Road is one, and turning out of Widney Manor towards Solihull. It's almost like you have to get the turn right from the beginning. With everything else, you always have that last turn of the wheel in case you under-turn.
I myself recall the steering lock being rubbish at Olton Station. It doesn't turn as much as the other buses.
Someone also mentioned something about the 72 route, where there is a tight turn. No idea where as I don't know the route.
All rumours of course.
Quote from: MW on July 12, 2015, 07:15:48 PM
Rumour has it that the MMCs are to be banned from the 5. I doubt it, but the reason being is it can't make some of the turns very easily. Sarehole Road to Cole Bank Road is one, and turning out of Widney Manor towards Solihull. It's almost like you have to get the turn right from the beginning. With everything else, you always have that last turn of the wheel in case you under-turn.
I myself recall the steering lock being rubbish at Olton Station. It doesn't turn as much as the other buses.
Someone also mentioned something about the 72 route, where there is a tight turn. No idea where as I don't know the route.
All rumours of course.
I myself wonder how a Gemini traverses the 5 and 31 !
@MW Wouldn't necessarily surprise me - heard somewhere that the steering lock on Enviro 200s were poor, and ADL chassis E300s as well - this website supports that: http://www.busandcoachforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=12382&start=20
Clearly not as versatile as a Scania or Volvo.
Quote from: BusFan on July 12, 2015, 08:02:37 PM
I myself wonder how a Gemini traverses the 5 and 31 !
Geminis are very good turning wise. Everything at AG is. The Enviros are not very good.
The Plaxtons just have a big steering wheel.
Quote from: MW on July 12, 2015, 07:15:48 PM
Rumour has it that the MMCs are to be banned from the 5. I doubt it, but the reason being is it can't make some of the turns very easily. Sarehole Road to Cole Bank Road is one, and turning out of Widney Manor towards Solihull. It's almost like you have to get the turn right from the beginning. With everything else, you always have that last turn of the wheel in case you under-turn.
I myself recall the steering lock being rubbish at Olton Station. It doesn't turn as much as the other buses.
Someone also mentioned something about the 72 route, where there is a tight turn. No idea where as I don't know the route.
All rumours of course.
There is a tightish turn as it turns from Coleshill Road onto Chipperfield Road especially if a car is waiting to turn right onto Coleshill Road from Chipperfield Road and I guess as well where it turns left off Chipperfield Road onto Bromford Drive
I've just ridden from Carrs Lane to Olton and didn't see a single Omnilink.
To break up the MMC thread, 4658 is another to get new working CCTV screens. One would assume most will get these.
Quote from: Stevo on July 13, 2015, 04:20:45 PM
I've just ridden from Carrs Lane to Olton and didn't see a single Omnilink.
No, only E200MMCs and Geminis on there this morning
with the loss of 2105, 1918/51-3; 7019/20/3-9 the remaining single decks are needed for the S1; 71 & 72
Quote from: uniquicity on July 10, 2015, 02:09:11 PM
2212 and 2213 are now taxed, can anyone confirm that have they been delivered?
2213 has just gone past my house, doing the 31E to Robin Hood Island.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on July 13, 2015, 11:49:36 AM
There is a tightish turn as it turns from Coleshill Road onto Chipperfield Road especially if a car is waiting to turn right onto Coleshill Road from Chipperfield Road and I guess as well where it turns left off Chipperfield Road onto Bromford Drive
It's the turn at Sarehole Mill for the 5, and Marston Green Station for the 72, apparently.
All sorts of rumours floating around, suggesting they'll have to send the MMCs elsewhere, but it's all speculation of course.
Quote from: MW on July 13, 2015, 09:08:19 PM
It's the turn at Sarehole Mill for the 5, and Marston Green Station for the 72, apparently.
All sorts of rumours floating around, suggesting they'll have to send the MMCs elsewhere, but it's all speculation of course.
Send them to BY, upgrade the 55 & 17, opps they have recently had upgrades; NXWM have set the trend now.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 13, 2015, 09:19:05 PM
Send them to BY, upgrade the 55 & 17, opps they have recently had upgrades; NXWM have set the trend now.
How do you mean set the trend? Set the trend on what?
Quote from: MW on July 13, 2015, 09:08:19 PM
It's the turn at Sarehole Mill for the 5, and Marston Green Station for the 72, apparently.
All sorts of rumours floating around, suggesting they'll have to send the MMCs elsewhere, but it's all speculation of course.
So didn't NE forsee these problems, surely if you are going to buy a new bus, you ensure that it can fit along the routes you are proposing for it?
Quote from: MW on July 13, 2015, 09:48:46 PM
How do you mean set the trend? Set the trend on what?
I was being crass , in the fact they like upgrading "certain" routes and replacing them with new buses a few years or months later.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 13, 2015, 10:22:53 PM
I was being crass , in the fact they like upgrading "certain" routes and replacing them with new buses a few years or months later.
It's not a bad idea sending them to BY, I believe they have a current allocation of 49 vehicles but this order is of 50 which should be serviceable (I think),
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 13, 2015, 10:22:53 PM
I was being crass , in the fact they like upgrading "certain" routes and replacing them with new buses a few years or months later.
You drive a car, what difference does it make to you what buses run on your locals? Even though I'd hardly complain at Gemini's and Pulsars.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on July 13, 2015, 10:52:02 PM
Even though I'd hardly complain at Gemini's and Pulsars.
Personally I'd say the Geminis are among the best buses in the entire fleet. Although I'll be sad to see the back of the Presidents on my local, I am really looking forward to the return of the Geminis.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on July 13, 2015, 10:52:02 PM
You drive a car, what difference does it make to you what buses run on your locals? Even though I'd hardly complain at Gemini's and Pulsars.
Quote from: trident4370 on July 13, 2015, 11:15:45 PM
Personally I'd say the Geminis are among the best buses in the entire fleet. Although I'll be sad to see the back of the Presidents on my local, I am really looking forward to the return of the Geminis.
I find it more productive to ignore the 'weekly East Birmigham rants'. I really miss the Geminis, the 83/89 is mainly ALX now as is the 48/129. I still wonder the fate of 4503-6
Before the regulations came info force which limited Plaxtons, wasn't AG primarily Geminis (& Single Decks)
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 14, 2015, 12:00:58 AM
I find it more productive to ignore the 'weekly East Birmigham rants'. I really miss the Geminis, the 83/89 is mainly ALX now as is the 48/129. I still wonder the fate of 4503-6
That's true, the Bob of Chelmsley Wood ;D I must admit I would miss the gems too, but I wouldn't mind the ALX B7s either, the lower saloon is a bit impractical and they like to leak rain in but apart from that they have a charm! I wouldn't be surprised if 4506 made it over soon, I wouldn't be surprised either if once the Platinums at Walsall start entering service, the last few gems there make a return to AG one way or another.
Quote from: trident4370 on July 14, 2015, 12:15:23 AM
once the Platinums at Walsall start entering service, the last few gems there make a return to AG one way or another.
That's what I reckon will happen. Probably 4506 too. It'd be nice to see another batch. Just the CV ones and WB Dudley Road ones really.
MW, believe me your not missing anything with the 4700 batch of gemnis they haven't aged well in my opinion, once Volvo sorted the incredibly sharp brakes when new I really did take to them but now they just feel tired, cooling fans blaring away, front suspension issues, no real acceleration, the older 4500,4600 batch seem to be better built, as already mentioned the cov entry gemni,s have voith gearboxes that should offer something different in wrightbus setup, from what Ive read they have the same driving experience of an ALX 400 B7TL with less rattling I would assume.
All will be clear by September /October as long as deliverys continue.
I've just had my first breakdown on one of the MMCs. 2204, with around 60 passengers on the 37, refused to move in the centre of Solihull, in spite of the driver's best efforts.
Quote from: Stevo on July 14, 2015, 06:55:37 PM
I've just had my first breakdown on one of the MMCs. 2204, with around 60 passengers on the 37, refused to move in the centre of Solihull, in spite of the driver's best efforts.
Still in service, just passing Digbeth Coach station, so nothing major
Maybe the driver wasn't familiar with the 'stop-start' engine on it? I travelled on 2203 yesterday morning, the other example, and I wasn't too impressed with it; I've travelled in cars which have this feature, so I know what I should expect, but this really did feel as though the bus was stalling and cutting out (the saloon lights kept going on and off whenever it happened).
The only amusement I got was when one particularly obnoxious chav, who insists on making everyone else on the bus listen to bloody Ed Sheeran, shouted to the driver "you keep turning the bus off cos of my music?". To which a fellow passenger turned round to him and instead of asking him to turn his music off, just said "probably faulty bus". :(
The engine was running all the time but the bus wouldn't move. The driver tried opening and shutting the doors, checking the engine access panels, opened and shut the wheelchair ramp, tried the emergency door, but it wouldn't move, so he asked everyone to 'get the one behind'. I don't suppose 60 passengers might be too many and the structure distorts!
is 2213/2214 out today?
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on July 15, 2015, 08:46:03 AM
is 2213/2214 out today?
They're not tracking yet, I can't see where they are
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on July 15, 2015, 08:46:03 AM
is 2213/2214 out today?
Both 2213 & 2214 were out around 8/9am not sure if they're still are now :) Seen 2214 heading to city around 08:15/08:20 and 2213 heading to Solihull around 9am.
@Tony can you tell me what the ratio of Gemini/Plaxton where on the 11A/11C today?
I've been on the 11C all day and nearly every 11A I saw was a Gemini! Obviously they've come from the 37, but have we lost any Plaxtons at all? And all three of my buses on the 11C were Geminis too! (Which is a first!)
Quote from: MW on July 15, 2015, 10:05:23 PM
@Tony can you tell me what the ratio of Gemini/Plaxton where on the 11A/11C today?
I've been on the 11C all day and nearly every 11A I saw was a Gemini! Obviously they've come from the 37, but have we lost any Plaxtons at all? And all three of my buses on the 11C were Geminis too! (Which is a first!)
What 3 Gemini's were you on?
I dunno if my eyes were deceiving me but are some of the fleet numbers on the driver's side of the MMC's gold and some others white? Also the spacing seems uneven as well. If so,what happened to uniformity?. {sorry to be such an anorak!}
Quote from: MW on July 15, 2015, 11:44:40 PM
4675
4525
4673
I saw 4675 at Swanshurst island at around 15:00PM, was that you?
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on July 16, 2015, 12:39:31 AM
I saw 4675 at Swanshurst island at around 15:00PM, was that you?
Nah I took it out of garage in the morning and had it from Bearwood to relief point.
I would have been on 4525 at that time, just done two laps today in 4525 again!
I've got a round trip on the 37 later. 37/21 I believe, I wonder what bus it'll be.
I just seen 2117 going down the A4040 (11C way) presumably to AG
Quote from: BusFan on July 17, 2015, 01:23:43 PM
I just seen 2117 going down the A4040 (11C way) presumably to AG
Where about?
If it's between Bromford and AG, Probably come off the 71/72
I saw it just past the swimming baths I Stechford. I thought it was new. Didn't know they were already working the 71/2
I would think it's more likely to have been on delivery.
Quote from: Stevo on July 17, 2015, 09:54:33 PM
I would think it's more likely to have been on delivery.
2117 is a B7RLE.
My apologies, it was 2217 I was referring to. I was surprised to see a E200MMC and it was displaying National Express and I just about caught its fleet number whilst on board a top deck of a Plaxton.
Oddly enough I read it as 2217
What MMCS are out today please
A question what is the other square hole for at the rear of the new MMC's I gather 1 is for fuel but cannot fathom what the other is for unless its the top up for oil or water/antifreeze just wondering guys???
Quote from: Squiz1971 on July 19, 2015, 11:11:46 AM
A question what is the other square hole for at the rear of the new MMC's I gather 1 is for fuel but cannot fathom what the other is for unless its the top up for oil or water/antifreeze just wondering guys???
Probably adblue
Quote from: Winston on July 19, 2015, 11:22:53 AM
Probably adblue
Cheers Winston but not to seem stupid but what is Adblue please?
Quote from: Squiz1971 on July 19, 2015, 11:28:21 AM
Cheers Winston but not to seem stupid but what is Adblue please?
Additive into the emissions system to; "reduce emissions of oxides of nitrogen from the exhaust of UK diesel vehicles".
Its pretty much distilled sheep piss.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 19, 2015, 11:53:46 AM
Additive into the emissions system to; "reduce emissions of oxides of nitrogen from the exhaust of UK diesel vehicles".
Its pretty much distilled sheep piss.
Oh right cheers Liverpool Street thanks for the info mate I have heard it mentioned before but didn't know what it was
Ive always wondered if adblue would work in a diesel car?
@BU07 LGO Some cars do actually use it - some Bluetec Mercs are examples. Link off Mercedes website gives a bit more info.
http://www2.mercedes-benz.co.uk/content/unitedkingdom/mpc/mpc_unitedkingdom_website/en/home_mpc/passengercars/home/corporate_sales0/fleet-after-sales/you-and-adblue.html
does anybody know what times 2213 will leave birimingham or solilhull thanks
Quote from: jack4325 on July 20, 2015, 09:32:01 AM
does anybody know what times 2213 will leave birimingham or solilhull thanks
I saw 2213 at 9:30ish on Bromford Drive heading towards Solihull & it roughly takes about 20-25 mins to get there from Brum if that's any help
2213 was probably on a 72E as it was in Chipperfield Road heading for town at 10:00 today.Then it usually returns on the full 72.
Quote from: broma1k on July 20, 2015, 10:28:52 AM
2213 was probably on a 72E as it was in Chipperfield Road heading for town at 10:00 today.Then it usually returns on the full 72.
01 & 31 on the Solihull run at the first stop after Bromford Drive on Chipperfield Road are usually 72E's the 17 & 47 are full route 72's
2207 in Walmley this morning circa 1000, on the 71.
Quote from: Liberator9 on July 19, 2015, 06:28:13 PM
@BU07 LGO
Some cars do actually use it - some Bluetec Mercs are examples. Link off Mercedes website gives a bit more info.
http://www2.mercedes-benz.co.uk/content/unitedkingdom/mpc/mpc_unitedkingdom_website/en/home_mpc/passengercars/home/corporate_sales0/fleet-after-sales/you-and-adblue.html
I was interested in trying it thinking it was just a fuel additive, but after reading it seems a bit more complex!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on July 20, 2015, 05:09:42 PM
I was interested in trying it thinking it was just a fuel additive, but after reading it seems a bit more complex!
It is NOT a fuel additive, you only need it if your car has an AdBlue tank.
2201 the 1st mmcs to be involved in rtc a car at robin hood island all centre panels look very worse for ware happened at 23.53 on way back to garage
I believe 4 Plaxtons left AG for Miller Street today.
It's begun... :D
I take it there were no issues with the new E200s on the 71/72 routes yesterday?
Quote from: Stu on July 21, 2015, 08:00:45 PM
I take it there were no issues with the new E200s on the 71/72 routes yesterday?
No idea but the village was slightly gridlocked on Shirley Road due to the turning of an MMC. 37 towards City, leaving village stand to do that U-Turn thing on Shirley Road. It went for the turn at couldnt make it due to a Diamond Dart parked at the stand outside the pub. If he went for it the nearside mirror would be crushed and the bus would've easily made it.
So yeah, turning circle is s***. Was like this for around 4 minutes.
I need to get president hunting then
Quote from: Stu on July 21, 2015, 08:00:45 PM
I take it there were no issues with the new E200s on the 71/72 routes yesterday?
I saw an inspector driving 2211 on Saturday. Saw him leaving Solihull and an hour or two later on Old Lode Lane. All I can presume, he was testing the routes for capability of these buses. I may be completely wrong!
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on July 21, 2015, 08:28:39 PM
I saw an inspector driving 2211 on Saturday. Saw him leaving Solihull and an hour or two later on Old Lode Lane. All I can presume, he was testing the routes for capability of these buses. I may be completely wrong!
They were testing an MMC over the weekend on various routes, so you may well be correct.
Expect more presidents to leave tomorrow
@MW Interestingly the 5 had Geminis on Sunday just gone - thought it usually had single decks on a Sunday?
Quote from: Liberator9 on July 21, 2015, 09:12:00 PM
@MW
Interestingly the 5 had Geminis on Sunday just gone - thought it usually had single decks on a Sunday?
I do not recall ever seeing single deckers on the 5 on a Sunday?
Quote from: Tony on July 21, 2015, 09:01:48 PM
Expect more presidents to leave tomorrow
Any idea on which ones have already left/will be leaving tomorrow?
Quote from: Liberator9 on July 21, 2015, 09:12:00 PM
@MW
Interestingly the 5 had Geminis on Sunday just gone - thought it usually had single decks on a Sunday?
When I've driven the 5 on a Sunday, it's mainly if not all Gemini run.
There is a board which runs NIS to Solihull, round trip on the 5, day on the 37 and evening on 31. This board is usually something of the 37. I had a Scania last time and got it stuck at Widney Manor, though my own fault!
I think a few evening buses come of the 37 usually too. Rumour is thosr boards are/will be changed, due to Sarehole Mill turn and I haven't seen any MMCs on the 5 since. This is all driver speculation.
Quote from: Nathan on July 21, 2015, 09:15:29 PM
I do not recall ever seeing single deckers on the 5 on a Sunday?
Normally the odd Scania on a Sunday. Sunday just gone it was all Gemini's so they can leave it that way ta muchly.
Quote from: Tony on July 21, 2015, 09:01:48 PM
Expect more presidents to leave tomorrow
Sods law says that the 9 I still need are in the first cull. Any gen appreciated. Cheers.
A few months ago it was mainly single deck - remember having 1933 on it - there's a post here as well.
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1937.390
@BU07LGO
Yeah that Ad Blue probably won't get on with most cars in the fuel tank :D
2201 is now at Carlyle for Repairs. Offside accident damage.
2217 now in service - on 37.
I passed 2215, 2216, 2217 and 2218 while travelling to Solihull on 2204. I could not figure out what triggered the engine cut out. Can the driver prevent the cut out in some way?
Quote from: Eric Shaw on July 22, 2015, 07:52:59 PM
I passed 2215, 2216, 2217 and 2218 while travelling to Solihull on 2204. I could not figure out what triggered the engine cut out. Can the driver prevent the cut out in some way?
Not engaging the handbrake.
The engine cuts out for a minute on start stop and then starts automatically I believe.
Quote from: Stevo on July 22, 2015, 05:53:35 PM
2217 now in service - on 37.
I've got 2217 from around 10am till 1.30pm today, then 2210 after (providing they don't break down!).
Currently on 4514 on the C.
2203 & 2205 both on the 72 today
Quote from: Tony on July 23, 2015, 08:14:31 AM
2203 & 2205 both on the 72 today
have U got times for them Tony as I am in Chelmsley Wood today & would like catch 1 of them. As I missed my opportunity on Monday with 2213 as I was on the 70 & 2213 was not far behind gutted
I caught 2205 this morning on the 0854 Castle Bromwich-Birmingham.
So, 0927 Birmingham-Solihull.
@Squiz1971 If I've worked it out correctly 2203 should work the 14:57 Birmingham to Solihull and 2205 should work the 13:57 Birmingham to Solihull. If I'm wrong I stand to be corrected :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on July 23, 2015, 01:24:58 PM
@Squiz1971
If I've worked it out correctly 2203 should work the 14:57 Birmingham to Solihull and 2205 should work the 13:57 Birmingham to Solihull. If I'm wrong I stand to be corrected :)
Cheers Rob2832 mate missed the 72 at the Wood anyway but thanks for the info will look out for them around the Bromford estate now. Though hopefully more will be on the 71/72 tomorrow in the morning so I can catch an MMC to town & back again would be nice even if it is wishful thinking lol
Saw 4516 on the 966 today turning onto Winward Way with NOT IN SERVICE on the side blind but the front and rear blinds both had 966 on them with the destination there too. I always thought all the digital displays changed together unless 4516 has a problem with its Hanover Display???
Quote from: Tony on July 23, 2015, 08:14:31 AM
2203 & 2205 both on the 72 today
Currently on board 2211 on the 72, 18:15 Saltley gate inbound
Out of curiosity, why has 2210 not got any of the name badges on?
I thought it was because they needed it in service quickly, and hadn't had chance to but them on, but surely, by now, they would've had chance to put the badges on?
As seen here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/127701512@N04/19298550433/in/dateposted-public/
2221 has just arrived in the garage from scarborough
Quote from: Jaysnerz007 on July 24, 2015, 06:52:03 PM
2221 has just arrived in the garage from scarborough
No, it's been there some time
Well the guy delivered it he said he came from scarborough an he picked the hire car from the garage to go back
2218 on 0951 37 to Solihull now
2216 on 1014 37 to Solihull
2215 on 1020 37 to Solihull
2220 is in Sutton on the 71
@Michael Bevan E200MMC's are not unusual on the 71 from what I've read they've been on and off all week, plus there is a second one on there today.
Quote from: Dom on July 25, 2015, 03:49:21 PM
@Michael Bevan E200MMC's are not unusual on the 71 from what I've read they've been on and off all week, plus there is a second one on there today.
@Dom 2220 as mentioned on Kevins post above
2222 was parked up at Olton Station earlier this afternoon - engineer driving it.
Quote from: Liberator9 on July 25, 2015, 04:20:55 PM
2222 was parked up at Olton Station earlier this afternoon - engineer driving it.
It is on the 37 now, unbranded.
@ronnoc1k8 Thanks for the update!
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on July 25, 2015, 05:32:02 PM
It is on the 37 now, unbranded.
Why has it debranded ?!
It's yet to be branded :)
Quote from: BusFan on July 25, 2015, 10:34:16 PM
Why has it debranded ?!
I'm assuming he means 2222 hasn't had its branding applied yet.
How many pages on how many threads are to be filled with MMC garbage?
You get shot down for asking about good buses nowadays.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on July 26, 2015, 12:34:58 AM
How many pages on how many threads are to be filled with MMC garbage?
You get shot down for asking about good buses nowadays.
I think thats a bit harsh.
There is always going to be a lot of interest in new arrivals, irrespective of make/model/manufacturer etc.
For me, the most fascinating aspect is the subsequent transfers and withdrawals that result from the new arrivals.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on July 26, 2015, 12:34:58 AM
How many pages on how many threads are to be filled with MMC garbage?
You get shot down for asking about good buses nowadays.
I have got to agree with you, these mmcs are going to last another 15 years, whereas b6s and b10s will last 1 month!
I'm not overly impressed by adl quality, it seems cheap. Give me a Volvo anyday. Just comparing the two hybrids tells you a lot.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 26, 2015, 10:23:08 AM
I have got to agree with you, these mmcs are going to last another 15 years, whereas b6s and b10s will last 1 month!
I'm not overly impressed by adl quality, it seems cheap. Give me a Volvo anyday. Just comparing the two hybrids tells you a lot.
I don't think criticism of NX is encouraged on the forum nowadays,best to skip it if you are not interested is the mantra..........though how you know without reading it is never fully explained.
Quote from: arrifirststage on July 26, 2015, 01:33:44 PM
I don't think criticism of NX is encouraged on the forum nowadays,best to skip it if you are not interested is the mantra..........though how you know without reading it is never fully explained.
I wouldn't go as far as criticing nx, they are a decent company despite my rants, still prefer diamond though
Agree with MW - bit harsh. The MMCs are the next generation of buses for the west midlands and it's certainly of interest what cascades will come about. The B10/B6s have their own appreciation thread anyway - not much to report about them now except their withdrawal. Prefer NX over Diamond - from my experiences NX actually run most of their buses ontime and are reliable; NX have improved consistently since mid 2012.
Quote from: arrifirststage on July 26, 2015, 01:33:44 PM
I don't think criticism of NX is encouraged on the forum nowadays,best to skip it if you are not interested is the mantra..........though how you know without reading it is never fully explained.
I to think that is a little harsh.
But the last thing we want is the forum becoming a "bash NE Forum". From the number of guests we get looking at the forum, i would bet that Senior people in many bus companies look at what we are saying and it is not to good to just see pages of us moaning about everything a particular bus company does.
Thing is we never comment very much on the good things that happen, eg: I know we all want the new Night Bus Routes to serve our own areas and not just be restricted to Central Birmingham, but the idea in itself is an excellent one.
I'm not so sure about that - I think there have been as many, if not more, positive comments about new vehicles and liveries as there have been negative. An independent forum ought to be open to a range of opinion.
I think ADL products get a mixed reception in the West Midlands because, particularly the single deck fleet of NXWM has been rather unusual in the past to have virtually none whereas elsewhere they're ubiquitous. I agree that the build quality of some has been a little erratic (I recently travelled on a London short E200 the seat to ceiling grab pole of the seat in front of mine (to which was attached a mirror) could be rotated easily through around 45 degrees!!!) No wonder the bus rattled appallingly - it was 4 yrs old however. Most are pretty good though.
I personally think NXWM is one of the best bus operators in the country but there's always room for improvement.
Quote from: MK on July 26, 2015, 08:27:32 AM
I think thats a bit harsh.
There is always going to be a lot of interest in new arrivals, irrespective of make/model/manufacturer etc.
For me, the most fascinating aspect is the subsequent transfers and withdrawals that result from the new arrivals.
Agreed entirely MK.
Think I'll throw in my two cents...
Don't see the big fuss around ADL vehicles. Yes would definitely agree their build quality isn't the best but the blame shouldn't directly go towards National Express who have obviously decided that this partnership is best for them. Certainly the MMC's I've been on have shown a great improvement definitely seem better built and look great IMO. Just wish all ADL vehicles were built like this really and then there would be a lot less negativity about them (Think the 62 plate E200 are the worst - Seem unlikely that the company will get 10-15 years of service out of those really.)
Ok going back to the topic of this thread which is ag garage and not an all out bitch fest about adl......does anybody know when the 71/72 will have mmc's on the route as I am yet to see one :/
Quote from: AV4248 on July 26, 2015, 09:48:20 PM
Think I'll throw in my two cents...
Don't see the big fuss around ADL vehicles. Yes would definitely agree their build quality isn't the best but the blame shouldn't directly go towards National Express who have obviously decided that this partnership is best for them
No it shouldn't go to NX, partly yes as they have a greed a contract which I imagine can't be altered meaning ADL can relax a bit as far a quality is concerned. But the blame should also go to ADL as they are the manufacturer if NX didn't test them then all sorts of accidents could of happened if the original ones went into ice
MMC being branded for the 37 today, can't remember the fleet number accurately but my gut says it was 2219.
Quote from: dw1308 on July 26, 2015, 10:51:44 PM
Ok going back to the topic of this thread which is ag garage and not an all out bitch fest about adl......does anybody know when the 71/72 will have mmc's on the route as I am yet to see one :/
They have already appeared on those routes in the past week
Quote from: dw1308 on July 26, 2015, 10:51:44 PM
Ok going back to the topic of this thread which is ag garage and not an all out bitch fest about adl......does anybody know when the 71/72 will have mmc's on the route as I am yet to see one :/
2202 is on the 71 today
2204 & 2206 are on the 72
Quote from: Tony on July 27, 2015, 08:37:54 AM
2202 is on the 71 today
2204 & 2206 are on the 72
2219 out on 37 on its way to Solihull
2220 - 0954 Birmingham-Solihull
2217 - 1000 Birmingham-Solihull
2215 - 1025 Birmingham - Solihull
2216 - 1030 Birmingham - Solihull
Quote from: Tony on July 27, 2015, 08:37:54 AM
2202 is on the 71 today
2204 & 2206 are on the 72
Do you have timings for 2204 & 2206 please Tony cheers
Also I know I have asked this before but now will the 71/72 branded MMC's be delivered throughout August otherwise they may have to have 65 plate registrations otherwise
Quote from: Squiz1971 on July 27, 2015, 11:30:58 AM
Do you have timings for 2204 & 2206 please Tony cheers
Also I know I have asked this before but now will the 71/72 branded MMC's be delivered throughout August otherwise they may have to have 65 plate registrations otherwise
Still be 15 plates as they have already been registered. Even if some come in september but they should all be ready by end of august
Quote from: Chris on July 27, 2015, 11:44:01 AM
Still be 15 plates as they have already been registered. Even if some come in september but they should all be ready by end of august
Ok
@Chris did wonder though
Quote from: Chris on July 27, 2015, 11:44:01 AM
Still be 15 plates as they have already been registered. Even if some come in september but they should all be ready by end of august
No, vehicles no taxed by 31/8/15 will get 65 plates
Quote from: Tony on July 27, 2015, 11:55:41 AM
No, vehicles no taxed by 31/8/15 will get 65 plates
Cheers Tony that was my initial thought & would that be the same for the Platinum's too
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 26, 2015, 10:23:08 AM
I'm not overly impressed by adl quality, it seems cheap. Give me a Volvo anyday. Just comparing the two hybrids tells you a lot.
When you say Volvo, do you actually mean a Wrights-bodied bus?
Quote from: Dom on July 26, 2015, 11:05:08 PM
No it shouldn't go to NX, partly yes as they have a greed a contract which I imagine can't be altered meaning ADL can relax a bit as far a quality is concerned. But the blame should also go to ADL as they are the manufacturer if NX didn't test them then all sorts of accidents could of happened if the original ones went into ice
This is naive in the extreme. Of course ADL and NX have contractual levels of quality and everything else. To imagine the supplier 'can relax' is ridiculous, unless they want to face hefty penalties in the form of liquidated damages.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on July 27, 2015, 03:13:02 PM
When you say Volvo, do you actually mean a Wrights-bodied bus?
Yes, so much smoother and stronger build than any adl vehicle. You only need to look at the life of b6s and b10s for evidence.
I can't see mmcs lasting 15 years let alone 20.
Even Mercedes are better than adl. I'm sure many forum members agree. I am not hyped up with the mmc rubbish. Give me the choice between a pensnett trident on the 141 and a new mmc on the 9 I will opt for the trident every day.
Adl buses have got worse as the years have gone by.
Compare mk1 e400s to mk2 e400s
I managed a ride on 2204 today. Here are a selection of overheard comments from passengers.
"Oooh, this is posh"
"It's brand new"
"It's run out of petrol"
"It's broken down"
"It's charging the batteries"
"Stupid bus"
"Stupid driver"
"Does he know how to drive this thing"
"It's broken down again"
"All new cars and buses do this, it saves fuel"
"Hurry up you tw*t".
The stop start will take some getting used to, it's very sudden when it cuts out, and to an untrained passenger, it certainly feels like a fault than intentional.
I haven't used the 72 as far as The Hunters Moon since the ex Dundee B10L's entered service. I noticed that city bound 72s use the island at Hunters Moon to make the turn into Chipperfield Road. I didn't notice this before. Is it a recent thing or have they been doing that for some time?
Quote from: Gareth on July 27, 2015, 03:33:26 PM
I managed a ride on 2204 today. Here are a selection of overheard comments from passengers.
"Oooh, this is posh"
"It's brand new"
"It's run out of petrol"
"It's broken down"
"It's charging the batteries"
"Stupid bus"
"Stupid driver"
"Does he know how to drive this thing"
"It's broken down again"
"All new cars and buses do this, it saves fuel"
"Hurry up you tw*t".
The stop start will take some getting used to, it's very sudden when it cuts out, and to an untrained passenger, it certainly feels like a fault than intentional.
I haven't used the 72 as far as The Hunters Moon since the ex Dundee B10L's entered service. I noticed that city bound 72s use the island at Hunters Moon to make the turn into Chipperfield Road. I didn't notice this before. Is it a recent thing or have they been doing that for some time?
The 72's have been using the Hunter's Moon island for sometime now about 2 years I think but you still get the odd driver who will turn right straight down Chipperfield Road. Seen 2204 twice today both times on the Solihull run could of caught it the 2nd time but I had a 10 minute wait plus a 94 came first at Saltley Gate just knew a MMC was on that run both times I saw 2204 on Chipperfield Road gutted again lol.
Going to town tomorrow about 10am hopefully more MMC's will be on the 72 so I can actually ride on one sound great from the outside
Quote from: Gareth on July 27, 2015, 03:33:26 PM
I managed a ride on 2204 today. Here are a selection of overheard comments from passengers.
"Oooh, this is posh"
"It's brand new"
"It's run out of petrol"
"It's broken down"
"It's charging the batteries"
"Stupid bus"
"Stupid driver"
"Does he know how to drive this thing"
"It's broken down again"
"All new cars and buses do this, it saves fuel"
"Hurry up you tw*t".
The stop start will take some getting used to, it's very sudden when it cuts out, and to an untrained passenger, it certainly feels like a fault than intentional.
I haven't used the 72 as far as The Hunters Moon since the ex Dundee B10L's entered service. I noticed that city bound 72s use the island at Hunters Moon to make the turn into Chipperfield Road. I didn't notice this before. Is it a recent thing or have they been doing that for some time?
Them comments are funny can think of using the last one in many occasions
The B5LHs cut out in the same manner, but I can't remember hearing adverse comments, although as they then start off still without the engine it must seem to the passenger that it's not a fault. I'll be interested to hear of the fuel saving in 2203/4.
How can it be said that the MMCs won't last 15-20 years? They've only been here a few months and seem to be doing fine! The B6/B10s aren't in too good a condition now - bodywork etc, and the Mercedes are even worse with the rot! NX probably don't plan on keeping the MMCs past 15 years anyway, considering I think there's a move towards constant fleet renewal and thus a much younger fleet. I'm sure most passengers (and drivers) would rather have the comfort of the MMCs than the Tridents. ADL haven't got worse anyway - considering they made some of the Tridents and their predecessor company made Trident/ALX400s bodies with their leaking windows and rattles :) Now if you want to complain about a bus moan about Optares - find them useless half the time.
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on July 27, 2015, 09:05:30 AM
2219 out on 37 on its way to Solihull
2220 - 0954 Birmingham-Solihull
2217 - 1000 Birmingham-Solihull
2215 - 1025 Birmingham - Solihull
2216 - 1030 Birmingham - Solihull
I don't think you need to keep telling us about MMCs on the 37, barring the odd Gemini, it's mostly Enviro200s now.
It seems like ages since I last caught an Omnilink!
@Demonstrator4698 Presidents are allocated for the 73, and it doesn't interwork with the 72
Which MMC's are on the 71 today?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 29, 2015, 08:35:59 AM
Which MMC's are on the 71 today?
2203; 2205; 2206 are on the 71
2202 is on the 72
Quote from: Tony on July 29, 2015, 08:51:47 AM
2203; 2205; 2206 are on the 71
2202 is on the 72
Cheers Tony! Will have a ride on one today.
I do not recall seeing it posted on here, but on the West Midlands Bus Users Facebook page it says there was an E200MMC on the 966 on Sunday 19th July
Quote from: Nathan on July 29, 2015, 07:48:24 PM
I do not recall seeing it posted on here, but on the West Midlands Bus Users Facebook page it says there was an E200MMC on the 966 on Sunday 19th July
The 966 is normally single-deck operated on Sunday, so will become more usual over the next few weeks. ;)
Quote from: Stu on July 29, 2015, 08:06:09 PM
The 966 is normally single-deck operated on Sunday, so will become more usual over the next few weeks. ;)
That i am already aware but thanks anyway :) Thought i'd share as it hadn't been mentioned
2x UID E200MMCs passed Yardley swan 1530 to Acocks green garage
Seems the 11 is bunching like bananas as I've been waiting at Swanhurst lane and nothing has been for the last 25 minutes of AG!
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 31, 2015, 02:16:59 PM
Seems the 11 is bunching like bananas as I've been waiting at Swanhurst lane and nothing has been for the last 25 minutes of AG!
If you're waiting for the 11A, it's been diverted:
https://twitter.com/nxwestmidlands/status/627106562826469376
QuoteDue to a broken down coach on Yardley Wood Road / Swanhurst Lane, service 11A only is diverted via Wake Green Road and onto Cole Bank Road.
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 31, 2015, 02:16:59 PM
Seems the 11 is bunching like bananas as I've been waiting at Swanhurst lane and nothing has been for the last 25 minutes of AG!
Lmao it was diverted today. Broken down coach. Misses out Swanshurst Park/Lane area. It was diverted for around 5-6 hours.
edit: I actually went the wrong way on the diversion but a much quicker way! Was about 5 mins behind two buses leaving Kings Heath. Got to Sarehole Mill 5 mins ahead. Had to wait at the timing point and then seen them both overtake taking crap I must have gone the wrong way!
At the Billesley Fire Station, I went straight over and turned left on Wake Green Road and onto Colebank Road, whereas the other two went left onto Brook Lane, left onto Yardley Wood Road, right onto Wake Green Road and left onto Cole Bank (the 2/3 route, then 1 route and then 5 route pretty much.)
Having said that, I might have gone the correct way and they went the wrong way!
Quote from: MW on July 31, 2015, 10:41:27 PM
Lmao it was diverted today. Broken down coach. Misses out Swanshurst Park/Lane area. It was diverted for around 5-6 hours.
I noticed the broken down coach as I was at that island waiting for a A service as plenty of 2s and 3s passed me and 11Cs but nothing on the A...until GRS turned up.
I had noticed on my app before I got there on a President that there was bunching even at King's Heath so the diversion wasn't the only thing affecting it
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 31, 2015, 10:47:43 PM
I noticed the broken down coach as I was at that island waiting for a A service as plenty of 2s and 3s passed me and 11Cs but nothing on the A...until GRS turned up.
I had noticed on my app before I got there on a President that there was bunching even at King's Heath so the diversion wasn't the only thing affecting it
Bunching began at Bromford, but it wasn't causing delays of greater than 15 mins so it wouldn't have been adjusted.
Forgive me for asking but since when has the 1 gone to Hall Green?
Also has anyone noticed on 4023 that the one tip up seat is in a similar style as what stagecoach have on their olympians?
Quote from: the trainbasher on August 01, 2015, 01:50:59 PM
Forgive me for asking but since when has the 1 gone to Hall Green?
Also has anyone noticed on 4023 that the one tip up seat is in a similar style as what stagecoach have on their olympians?
A good few years now I think?
I have noticed that seat too!
Quote from: John on August 01, 2015, 01:53:34 PM
A good few years now I think?
I have noticed that seat too!
A couple of them have that.4074 is another, though I am sure there is one more.
Quote from: the trainbasher on August 01, 2015, 01:50:59 PM
Forgive me for asking but since when has the 1 gone to Hall Green?
Also has anyone noticed on 4023 that the one tip up seat is in a similar style as what stagecoach have on their olympians?
The 1 has been going to Robin Hood island outside Shirley Tesco's on the boundaries of Shirley and Hall Green since April 2014.
Quote from: 2206 on August 01, 2015, 02:01:57 PM
The 1 has been going to Robin Hood island on the boundaries of Shirley and Hall Green since April 2014.
Quote from: John on August 01, 2015, 01:53:34 PM
A good few years now I think?
Cheers for that
@John and
@2206
Three ADL guys delivered some buses today at AG. I saw 2224 with papers/plastic covers all over the interior. Not sure how long this has been at AG as I don't really watch the delivery dates, but this could be one of the fresh ones.
Quote from: MW on August 01, 2015, 09:39:43 PM
Three ADL guys delivered some buses today at AG. I saw 2224 with papers/plastic covers all over the interior. Not sure how long this has been at AG as I don't really watch the delivery dates, but this could be one of the fresh ones.
@MW according to the main site 2223/2224/2226-2229 have been delivered to AG when it doesn't say
2202 on the 72E to Castle Bromwich. Just arrived in City.
2227 left Solihull Station about 10mins ago on a 72, now carrying purple 71/72 branding
Quote from: 2206 on August 01, 2015, 01:55:14 PM
A couple of them have that.4074 is another, though I am sure there is one more.
4023 is now on the list of to be withdrawn from AG. Should be going with the next lot of Presidents.
Edit: 4082 has not moved now for around 2 weeks. This ones probably due out too.
Quote from: MW on August 04, 2015, 11:46:08 AM
4023 is now on the list of to be withdrawn from AG. Should be going with the next lot of Presidents.
Is it?
I haven't asked for that one to go!
Quote from: Alex on August 04, 2015, 11:21:24 AM
2227 left Solihull Station about 10mins ago on a 72, now carrying purple 71/72 branding
2206 is on 71 to Sutton now (following it in my nans car)
Quote from: Tony on August 04, 2015, 11:49:20 AM
Is it?
I haven't asked for that one to go!
Yeah, according to "people in the know" at AG lol
Something about at MOT due to expire.
You'd obviously be able to correct me if it's wrong.
Quote from: MW on August 04, 2015, 05:03:15 PM
Yeah, according to "people in the know" at AG lol
Something about at MOT due to expire.
You'd obviously be able to correct me if it's wrong.
All the ones taken off so far have MoTs running into 2016
Quote from: Alex on August 04, 2015, 11:21:24 AM
2227 left Solihull Station about 10mins ago on a 72, now carrying purple 71/72 branding
2226, also carrying 71/72 branding, was in Sutton Coldfield mid-afternoon.
Quote from: Tony on August 04, 2015, 05:54:42 PM
All the ones taken off so far have MoTs running into 2016
I didn't mention anything about the ones taken off so far. You've also mentioned that the ones so far are in reserve? Maybe that's not the case with 4023. You should be able to find out shouldn't you?
2224 on the 37 today.
Quote from: MW on August 04, 2015, 06:57:17 PM
I didn't mention anything about the ones taken off so far. You've also mentioned that the ones so far are in reserve? Maybe that's not the case with 4023. You should be able to find out shouldn't you?
@MW I think
@Tony has given an answer @ message 1122, remember its not up to the garage, it's up to HQ which vehicles are withdrawn!
any 71/72 branded MMCs out today?
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 05, 2015, 06:57:16 AM
any 71/72 branded MMCs out today?
2228 on 72 0854 Castle Bromwich-Birmingham
Quote from: MK on August 05, 2015, 09:13:30 AM
2228 on 72 0854 Castle Bromwich-Birmingham
2227 just arrived at Solihull rail station 1020 NIS
2226 at Solihull now 1037 on 71
2228 at Solihull 1107 on 72
For the old timers amongst us this is like déjà vu back to the days when the Rolls Royce engined Metrobuses 2226 to 2245 were delivered new to AG. Although I doubt I'll look back on these ugly lopsided looking MMCs with the same fondness.
Quote from: Mike K on August 05, 2015, 07:16:10 PM
For the old timers amongst us this is like déjà vu back to the days when the Rolls Royce engined Metrobuses 2226 to 2245 were delivered new to AG. Although I doubt I'll look back on these ugly lopsided looking MMCs with the same fondness.
I feel young when I hear you lot talk about metrobuses !
Funnily enough I was only thinking that last week! They couldnt half go with the Rolls Royce engine! Think they were a bit heavier on fuel than the Gardners though! Lovely proper buses!
All the best,
Dave
Quote from: Mike K on August 05, 2015, 07:16:10 PM
For the old timers amongst us this is like déjà vu back to the days when the Rolls Royce engined Metrobuses 2226 to 2245 were delivered new to AG. Although I doubt I'll look back on these ugly lopsided looking MMCs with the same fondness.
Funny, because I remember those Metros arriving and everyone was commentimg on their lopsided appearance, some things never change.
Quote from: BusFan on August 05, 2015, 07:28:23 PM
I feel young when I hear you lot talk about metrobuses !
I remember when 2201 - 30 were 1949 - 50 Park Royal bodied Leyland PD2s. Now that should make you feel really young!
Quote from: Stevo on August 05, 2015, 10:33:23 PM
I remember when 2201 - 30 were 1949 - 50 Park Royal bodied Leyland PD2s. Now that should make you feel really young!
That even makes me feel young.
Quote from: Stevo on August 05, 2015, 10:33:23 PM
I remember when 2201 - 30 were 1949 - 50 Park Royal bodied Leyland PD2s. Now that should make you feel really young!
Yeah Roseberry St garage, used on the 82 (or B82 as it was then) - and 2231-2250 were Leyland Tiger PS2 single deckers, many of which were used on the 27. Wythall's 2245 would offer an interesting photo opportunity side by side with the new 2245 (when it materialises!!)
Quote from: Stevo on August 05, 2015, 10:33:23 PM
I remember when 2201 - 30 were 1949 - 50 Park Royal bodied Leyland PD2s. Now that should make you feel really young!
2222 still exists. A friend of mine owns it.
Quote from: Mike K on August 05, 2015, 07:16:10 PM
For the old timers amongst us this is like déjà vu back to the days when the Rolls Royce engined Metrobuses 2226 to 2245 were delivered new to AG. Although I doubt I'll look back on these ugly lopsided looking MMCs with the same fondness.
Yes I agree about the metrobuses as I was a child when the mk1's then the mk2's were delivered but I myself could grow to like the new MMC's over time
@Mike K
Does anyone in the forum know when the rest of the E200MMC's will arrive for Acockns Green Garage?
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on August 08, 2015, 02:25:03 PM
Does anyone in the forum know when the rest of the E200MMC's will arrive for Acockns Green Garage?
I think they'll arrive slowly over the next few weeks.
Thanks for informing me. I usually post in yardley wood's forum page
Any idea how long it will be till 2201 reenters service.
Has any more e200s arrived at AG?
Talks of the 11 receiving branding with various designs complete. I haven't seen these designs so whether it's in Crimson or standard, I have no idea.
Quote from: MW on August 13, 2015, 11:03:54 PM
Talks of the 11 receiving branding with various designs complete. I haven't seen these designs so whether it's in Crimson or standard, I have no idea.
Wonder if they will bring back the branding with a big circle on the one side of the bus
Like this one of 4635 (bottom pic that tonys took)
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4635.html
Quote from: Chris on August 13, 2015, 11:46:00 PM
Wonder if they will bring back the branding with a big circle on the one side of the bus
Like this one of 4635 (bottom pic that tonys took)
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4635.html
I liked that branding as it fitted with the whole Outer "Circle" idea.
Has 2223 been used in service as I haven't seen it
Quote from: MW on August 13, 2015, 11:03:54 PM
Talks of the 11 receiving branding with various designs complete. I haven't seen these designs so whether it's in Crimson or standard, I have no idea.
Its more than likely on the old red/white livery as the Geminis are in the process of been repainted
Quote from: John on August 14, 2015, 08:43:24 AM
Its more than likely on the old red/white livery as the Geminis are in the process of been repainted
Not at the moment
@John I wander if they will repaint any of the others in the near future.
Quote from: 2206 on August 14, 2015, 04:09:49 PM
Not at the moment @John I wander if they will repaint any of the others in the near future.
A few have been recently redone in red/white?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 14, 2015, 05:40:08 PM
A few have been recently redone in red/white?
Are there enough done for the 11 though. I am sure at one point
@Tony said the lot would be done some are looking a mess. @BU07 LGO Maybe they will do the others after the Xplore Dundee Volvo B7RLE are done then?
4105 just left the garage and is heading for Walsall garage !
Quote from: Jaysnerz007 on August 16, 2015, 01:22:25 AM
4105 just left the garage and is heading for Walsall garage !
What for ?! Only thing I know that it definitely isn't a transfer !
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on August 16, 2015, 01:24:08 AM
What for ?! Only thing I know that it definitely isn't a transfer !
Probably going to Dundee via Walsall.
Quote from: MW on August 16, 2015, 01:28:11 AM
Probably going to Dundee via Walsall.
Nothing due at Dundee apart from B7RLEs.
Quote from: Kiewii on August 16, 2015, 01:30:54 AM
Nothing due at Dundee apart from B7RLEs.
In that case, Crimson lmfao.
At least it's out of AG!
Quote from: MW on August 16, 2015, 01:38:06 AM
In that case, Crimson lmfao.
At least it's out of AG!
I'd love to see a Crimson Plaxton ! In my opinion they scrub up well. I've seen a few newly painted and they're fairly visually appealing I find. They get trashy awfully quickly I find.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on August 16, 2015, 01:24:08 AM
What for ?! Only thing I know that it definitely isn't a transfer !
Isn't it?
Quote from: Kiewii on August 16, 2015, 01:30:54 AM
Nothing due at Dundee apart from B7RLEs.
That's not correct either, watch out for some other arrivals from the West Midlands in the next couple of weeks
Suppose those E400s going to CV have to displace something there - the 46XX Geminis there may move to Dundee? Certainly going to be an interesting couple of weeks regarding transfers.
Is it More presidents like the ones that are at Miller st to dundee or something else
Quote from: Tony on August 16, 2015, 08:37:15 AM
That's not correct either, watch out for some other arrivals from the West Midlands in the next couple of weeks
I hear it is the 45xx geminis at wa?
Has an e200 mmc ventured onto the 1 on a sunday yet?
Quote from: Chris on August 19, 2015, 10:27:38 PM
Has an e200 mmc ventured onto the 1 on a sunday yet?
There is/was one on tonight, 2216 I believe. The rear display looks like it's fallen down slightly.
One was on last night too.
Have deliveries of E200MMC ceased again - nothing new seems to have been reported recently. Has no-one seen any new ones arriving or in the garage?
Quote from: don on August 19, 2015, 11:52:20 PM
Have deliveries of E200MMC ceased again - nothing new seems to have been reported recently. Has no-one seen any new ones arriving or in the garage?
Could Scarborough be on shutdown?
Can't say I've looked out recently. There is a lot of them in the garage now. Strange to think how quickly they've appeared and how even more rare it seems to be to see a Scania/B7RLE in the garage at daytime now! 4082 was still dumped in the same spot recently though.
Quote from: MW on August 19, 2015, 11:47:41 PM
There is/was one on tonight, 2216 I believe. The rear display looks like it's fallen down slightly.
One was on last night too.
Cheers
@MW so the 1 goes single deck operation on evening?
Quote from: Chris on August 20, 2015, 12:03:39 AM
Cheers @MW so the 1 goes single deck operation on evening?
I think its Sundays but I've also seen OmniLinks on during the evenings as well.
Quote from: Winston on August 19, 2015, 11:53:24 PM
Could Scarborough be on shutdown?
Yeah that had crossed my mind also. Scarborough and August sounds feasible.
Whilst these days of the Internet and instant info are great, I sometimes yearn for those long gone good old days of someone returning from a good old garage bunk with new info, and the info getting round in Chinese whispers!!!
Any more news on MMC deliveries, please?
No new MMC for over three weeks now then?
Quote from: 2206 on August 22, 2015, 08:46:38 PM
No new MMC for over three weeks now then?
Yes there has
Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2015, 07:56:14 AM
Yes there has
Which ones
@Tony your fleetlist says the last one delivered was 2229 and that was three weeks ago?
2231 on 72 this morning.
0729 Solihull-Birmingham
4070 on the 11C it creaks on every turn. Its quite a quick president.
Are the stop-starts 2203/4 still around? I haven't seen them on the 37 recently.
Quote from: Stevo on August 25, 2015, 05:36:23 PM
Are the stop-starts 2203/4 still around? I haven't seen them on the 37 recently.
Been on the 71/72 a few times recentl.
@Stevo
Quote from: Stevo on August 25, 2015, 05:36:23 PM
Are the stop-starts 2203/4 still around? I haven't seen them on the 37 recently.
They have been on the 71/72 in the last week or so
@Stevo covering I guess
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 25, 2015, 05:42:36 PM
They have been on the 71/72 in the last week or so @Stevo covering I guess
Covering what they are used on any AG Single Decker route
@Squiz1971
Quote from: 2206 on August 25, 2015, 05:56:35 PM
Covering what they are used on any AG Single Decker route @Squiz1971
I meant while the rest of the route branded E200MMC's are being delivered. I know they are used on any of AG's single deck routes
@2206 Though to be fair I seem to get more Scania's or B7RLE's than MMC's on the 72 which is my main route. Or MMC's are going in the other direction to me grr lol
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 25, 2015, 06:03:12 PM
I meant while the rest of the route branded E200MMC's are being delivered. I know they are used on any of AG's single deck routes @2206 Though to be fair I seem to get more Scania's or B7RLE's than MMC's on the 72 which is my main route. Or MMC's are going in the other direction to me grr lol
Yeah I was stood in Sollihul last week only saw the MMC on the 71 I did not see any on the 72 even the one I had a ride on was on the 71 only saw Omnilinks and B7RLE on the 72
@Squiz1971 seem to get more Omnilink. I do not seem to get many B7RLE whenever I use the 71 now
@Squiz1971
Quote from: 2206 on August 25, 2015, 06:14:46 PM
Yeah I was stood in Sollihul last week only saw the MMC on the 71 I did not see any on the 72 even the one I had a ride on was on the 71 only saw Omnilinks and B7RLE on the 72 @Squiz1971 seem to get more Omnilink. I do not seem to get many B7RLE whenever I use the 71 now @Squiz1971
There's been at least one B7RLE on the 31 and the 37 recently. Sometimes on the 1 too. Personally I think a better move for AG would be to convert the 5/31 to B7RLE and send Plaxtons out. But the decisions made are I suppose made to better the company rather than depot by depot lol
Quote from: MW on August 25, 2015, 09:11:59 PM
There's been at least one B7RLE on the 31 and the 37 recently. Sometimes on the 1 too. Personally I think a better move for AG would be to convert the 5/31 to B7RLE and send Plaxtons out. But the decisions made are I suppose made to better the company rather than depot by depot lol
I agree with you
@MW I personally I find it very poor that AG'S youngest decker is 4679 which is now nearly 11 years old. If not the 5 and 31, the 73 and 966 could have the B7RLE.
I should think the 5 would be ideal for them, the 6 is a busier route and that copes, although personally I'd rather Omnilinks stayed at AG than those things.
Quote from: trident4370 on August 25, 2015, 09:19:49 PM
I should think the 5 would be ideal for them, the 6 is a busier route and that copes, although personally I'd rather Omnilinks stayed at AG than those things.
What about the 31? The busiest bits of all these routes from what I've seen is between Birmingham and Sparkhill. If they are all single deckers, I think it'll cope fine as that is approx 16 buses an hour from City just on the 5/6/31. Every four minutes on average. Then the 2/3/37 help out from City to Sparkbrook.
The 31 is the only Stratford Road route I don't really follow, I do know that at the Solihull end a single would do! I'd say the 2 and 3 could easily go back to Single operation during the daytime but then the trouble is at peaks it gets a bit busier. Would also go as far as to say back when the B10Ls were on there, there was a lot less trouble (just look at 4341) but of course costs come into play and 3 drivers an hour is cheaper than 4 when the daytimes aren't really that busy.
Quote from: trident4370 on August 25, 2015, 09:19:49 PM
I should think the 5 would be ideal for them, the 6 is a busier route and that copes, although personally I'd rather Omnilinks stayed at AG than those things.
Anybody who has driven the 5 as I have will know that B7RLE's would be a wholly unsuitable vehicle to have on it on any basis other than a breakdown or vehicle shortage, due to the tight turns around Sarehole Mill and some at the Solihull end too. The 31 isn't much better around Gospel Lane through to Robin Hood. Not so bad Evenings and Sundays when you're not stopping as much and have more time to get round these sections but in normal conditions it would be asking for trouble.
Saw a President being driven up the up M6 this morning. Maybe to Dundee dunno it was near the Manchester turn off. Mind the Geezer was smoking in the cab tut tu.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 26, 2015, 09:50:07 PM
Saw a President being driven up the up M6 this morning. Maybe to Dundee dunno it was near the Manchester turn off. Mind the Geezer was smoking in the cab tut tu.
It was probably 1 of 2 Presidents heading to Dundee
Quote from: andy41 on August 26, 2015, 12:59:59 PM
Anybody who has driven the 5 as I have will know that B7RLE's would be a wholly unsuitable vehicle to have on it on any basis other than a breakdown or vehicle shortage, due to the tight turns around Sarehole Mill and some at the Solihull end too. The 31 isn't much better around Gospel Lane through to Robin Hood. Not so bad Evenings and Sundays when you're not stopping as much and have more time to get round these sections but in normal conditions it would be asking for trouble.
The turns are no more tighter than the 37 at Olton. Sarehole Mill one isn't difficult, in the B7RLE/Scanias. Fair enough the MMCs are difficult there. Solihull turns, the only one I can think of is Widney Manor towards Solihull, but it's doable. Surely evening and Sunday's means more parked cars on the likes of Springfield Road, yet the single deckers cope fine.
That's my view on it anyway.
Saw a B7RLE on the 5 on Monday evening - yeah can't be easy trying to get one of those round one or two turns in Monkspath, but manageable.
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 26, 2015, 09:56:19 PM
Saw a B7RLE on the 5 on Monday evening - yeah can't be easy trying to get one of those round one or two turns in Monkspath, but manageable.
Nah it's easy, I had 2116 on the 5 a couple weeks ago.
@MW Take it all back - ignore me :D I quite like the B7RLEs, just a shame they don't have the Ecomat gearbox.
Quote from: MW on August 26, 2015, 09:55:38 PM
The turns are no more tighter than the 37 at Olton. Sarehole Mill one isn't difficult, in the B7RLE/Scanias. Fair enough the MMCs are difficult there. Solihull turns, the only one I can think of is Widney Manor towards Solihull, but it's doable. Surely evening and Sunday's means more parked cars on the likes of Springfield Road, yet the single deckers cope fine.
That's my view on it anyway.
It's just making the job much harder than it needs to be. Long wheelbase single deckers are best left on services with long stretches of uninterrupted road, such as the 37. The Olton turn is the only tricky one on there whereas on the 5 there are loads. I didn't say it wasn't doable. I've done it. I was just saying it is silly to put them on there when there are other, easier vehicles to have on there. I'm aware there are more parked cars around Springfield at those times, but my point was that due to less passenger traffic at those times you're not in such a rush to get around there.
Quote from: andy41 on August 26, 2015, 10:52:28 PM
It's just making the job much harder than it needs to be. Long wheelbase single deckers are best left on services with long stretches of uninterrupted road, such as the 37. The Olton turn is the only tricky one on there whereas on the 5 there are loads. I didn't say it wasn't doable. I've done it. I was just saying it is silly to put them on there when there are other, easier vehicles to have on there. I'm aware there are more parked cars around Springfield at those times, but my point was that due to less passenger traffic at those times you're not in such a rush to get around there.
The 5 would lose one occasional passenger if it went S/D. Mits off the Gemini's!
Personally I wish they'd put the B7RLE's on the 966 as I live along the route in Erdington and am sick to death of roaring cooling fans waking me up at 5am and continuing all day until midnight. On Sundays I don't even notice the buses go past.
2230 is now out in Service seen at the Wheatsheaf around 11:35/11:40 on the 72 towards Solihull.
2230 on 72 if anyone wants a photograph
Passed Sheldon wheatsheif 0855 to Birmingham
Saw a couple of AG MMCs heading south on the M1 near Sheffield this morning. Didn't catch the fleetnumbers as I was on opposite carriageway.
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 28, 2015, 08:54:44 AM
2230 on 72 if anyone wants a photograph
Passed Sheldon wheatsheif 0855 to Birmingham
Seen it twice on inbound service at Saltley Gate plus 2205/6/26 are also on 72 today
2236 is now at AG along with a few others.
2112 is about to leave AG with ticket machine removed.
According to the main site Looks like 2237-2250 will be 65 plates. Wonder if the remaining platinums at walsall will be 65 plates
Quote from: Chris on August 28, 2015, 11:19:11 PM
According to the main site Looks like 2237-2250 will be 65 plates. Wonder if the remaining platinums at walsall will be 65 plates
They already been allocated 15 plates but if they aren't taxes until after monday they can re register them as 65 plate I think like the scania deckers that had 08 plates instead of 57
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 29, 2015, 01:45:02 PM
They already been allocated 15 plates but if they aren't taxes until after monday they can re register them as 65 plate I think like the scania deckers that had 08 plates instead of 57
@BU07 LGO on the site 2237 has a 65 plate so it looks like its being taxed after monday
4821 currently at AG.
Has 2225 still not put in an appearance at AG yet?
Quote from: Winston on August 29, 2015, 02:52:07 PM
Has 2225 still not put in an appearance at AG yet?
Not seen 2229 out has it entered service yet?
2211(?)'s displays are on the blink. It goes crazy after scrolling 'Tyseley' on the bottom.
Here is the first '65' plate
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/2201-2250/2236.html
News reaches me of an incident in Kings Heath involving an 11C and a saloon on an unknown service.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on August 29, 2015, 07:23:11 PM
News reaches me of an incident in Kings Heath involving an 11C and a saloon on an unknown service.
4520 crashed into 1926
4520 was on the 11A
1926 was on the 27
@The Real 4778
Quote from: 2206 on August 29, 2015, 07:26:20 PM
4520 crashed into 1916
4520 was on the 11A
1916 was on the 27
1926, not 1916.
Exactly how bad was the damage to each of them?
Quote from: The Real 4778 on August 29, 2015, 07:23:11 PM
News reaches me of an incident in Kings Heath involving an 11C and a saloon on an unknown service.
See from: http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2960.msg158042#msg158042
@Stu Thanks - hadn't seen it - stupid me :D Looks nasty.
Had the chance to do this, shame it didn't come out properly. Bunch of WA/PB drivers staring as they drove past. Don't suppose
@John /
@BU07 LGO were some of them lol
@MW Nice one - should save that for April 1st next year ;)
Nice pic
@MW bet the WA/PB were think what on earth is a Gemini on the 900 lol
Quote from: Chris on August 29, 2015, 08:22:53 PM
Nice pic @MW bet the WA/PB were think what on earth is a Gemini on the 900 lol
Especially as its in Perry Barr lol
Quote from: MW on August 29, 2015, 08:14:32 PM
Had the chance to do this, shame it didn't come out properly. Bunch of WA/PB drivers staring as they drove past. Don't suppose @John / @BU07 LGO were some of them lol
Not me mate always been tempted to put bus driver of the year on though when heading back to garage!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 29, 2015, 08:33:18 PM
Not me mate always been tempted to put bus driver of the year on though when heading back to garage!
Haha what do you put in to get that? Try putting E200 or E400 in. Comes up with the ADL logos and "The new Enviro MMC" etc. Looked hilarious on a Plaxton
Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 29, 2015, 08:33:18 PM
Not me mate always been tempted to put bus driver of the year on though when heading back to garage!
Do they even record what your destination board is? Hopefully not otherwise MW would be in trouble.
Quote from: MW on August 29, 2015, 08:14:32 PM
Had the chance to do this, shame it didn't come out properly. Bunch of WA/PB drivers staring as they drove past. Don't suppose @John / @BU07 LGO were some of them lol
Not me! I was on 904s this morning. Looks smart on a Gemini though!
Before starting service this morning while parked in Falcon Lodge, I found the 15A/C displays on one of the updated buses. There is something about putting the likes of 28/66 on a decker. Obviously this is the only time you can. There has been a few times where every Dot Matrix bus on the pits has 28 Small Heath on the display. Either they has just been updated, or one of our engineers might like playing with the routes too!
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on August 29, 2015, 08:38:41 PM
Do they even record what your destination board is? Hopefully not otherwise MW would be in trouble.
I wasn't in service at the time.
Quote from: MW on August 29, 2015, 08:38:12 PM
Haha what do you put in to get that? Try putting E200 or E400 in. Comes up with the ADL logos and "The new Enviro MMC" etc. Looked hilarious on a Plaxton
0 then scroll accross lok
Quote from: MW on August 29, 2015, 08:27:41 PM
Especially as its in Perry Barr lol
Could be a new extension 900P :P
Quote from: Chris on August 29, 2015, 10:10:20 PM
Could be a new extension 900P :P
Speaking of the 'P' suffix, has BC stopped using 97p on the display? I haven't seen it in a while...
Are the 72e now terminating at the actually Clock garage island now and laying over at the Taxi rank these days?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 30, 2015, 12:44:02 AM
Are the 72e now terminating at the actually Clock garage island now and laying over at the Taxi rank these days?
Would this be the NIS Omnilinks that I have seen parking up there over the last few weeks?
Thanks.
Yeah that;s what I meant. Mind you the displays now say Castle Bromwich Newport Rd/ Coleshills Rd as opposed to Heathland Av. Maybe they had to wait for for some special permission to use it. Makes more sense then the buses going halfway towards the CB main shopping centre to turn around etc.
No they still terminate at Heathland Avenue & park up in Hall Road before returning to service.
That is not what I have noticed recently, I have observed some turning before Heathland Av and waiting at the Taxi rank. Might because the roads are quieter who knows.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 30, 2015, 10:36:21 AM
That is not what I have noticed recently, I have observed some turning before Heathland Av and waiting at the Taxi rank. Might because the roads are quieter who knows.
A couple of Saturdays ago there was a B7RLE parked up waiting time in that taxi rank.
Just for the record, 2217 spent yesterday on the 71 ... the first 37 branded one I've seen on the Sutton Coldfield service.
Geminis rumoured to get branding for the 1. Rumoured being the key word.
Are the Geminis still going to be branded for the 11?
65 plate 2236 should be in Solihull In around15 minutes on the71 if anyone is after it
What's the best and safest route to catch a plant on president?
Still the 11. If you wait for three 11s, one is bound to be Plaxton.
Quote from: clayderman on August 29, 2015, 10:22:11 PM
Speaking of the 'P' suffix, has BC stopped using 97p on the display? I haven't seen it in a while...
It is still being used saw a 44** in Chelmsley Wood by Asda yesterday
@clayderman with 97p Pine Square on the destination
What is happening with 2225/34 & 35 are these still 15 plates or will they be delivered as 65 plates now??
any recent branded E200MMC's on 71/72?
currently looking for 223x fleet
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on September 03, 2015, 07:27:35 AM
any recent branded E200MMC's on 71/72?
currently looking for 223x fleet
2233 is
Quote from: John on September 03, 2015, 11:33:37 AM
2233 is
@John I spotted that on 71 or 72 while leaving silverlines depot
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on September 03, 2015, 07:27:35 AM
any recent branded E200MMC's on 71/72?
currently looking for 223x fleet
2232 is also on the 71
2236 is on the 72 as well
@nxwmbusfan1999
I was surprised to read in "Coach and Bus Weekly" today that the E200MMC's are the 11.5m 4 cylinder version, but there is a very favourable road test on 2221.
Four cylinder -really? They always sounded a bit like that, but they've got plenty of poke.
The new 400's are four cylinder too I think.
Quote from: OH25 on September 03, 2015, 11:42:19 PM
2219 on the 1E
Just left Broad Street
@OH25 Enviro 200 MMC are usual on late night 1's
Quote from: Gareth on September 03, 2015, 10:06:58 PM
The new 400's are four cylinder too I think.
No - ADL doesn't offer the 4 cylinder Cummins in the E400 as it's only 4.5 litres and wouldn't be adequate.
Quote from: Stevo on September 04, 2015, 09:25:57 AM
No - ADL doesn't offer the 4 cylinder Cummins in the E400 as it's only 4.5 litres and wouldn't be adequate.
I may have got my litres and cylinders mixed up. But I thought I'd seen somewhere that they both have the same engine. Shows I'm not a technically minded person!
Quote from: Gareth on September 04, 2015, 11:34:50 AM
I may have got my litres and cylinders mixed up. But I thought I'd seen somewhere that they both have the same engine. Shows I'm not a technically minded person!
The 6 cylinder engine (6.7 litre) is available in both the 200 and 400 models whilst the 4 cylinder (4.5 litre) is only used in the 200 version.
If you have a look at at the ADL website http://www.alexander-dennis.com and select Products and then Single Deck Bus or Double Deck, you'll find loads and loads of technical data, 90% of which means nothing to me either!
2236 YX65PXB is out on 71 if anyone wants a photograph
Driver just said it powers like A rocket :)
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on September 05, 2015, 09:22:10 AM
2236 YX65PXB is out on 71 if anyone wants a photograph
Driver just said it powers like A rocket :)
That's probably because he's used to the B7RLE's, the most gutless full size single deck buses I have ever driven.
The ADL site shows the engine has a maximum of 210 bhp which isn't huge by today's standards, but the vehicle weighs less than 8 tons so the B7RLE has more than 2 tons extra to cart around. Yesterday I came home on 2210 on the 37 packed with around 60 passengers and it didn't seem to have any effect on performance.
Quote from: Stevo on September 05, 2015, 10:27:45 AM
The ADL site shows the engine has a maximum of 210 bhp which isn't huge by today's standards, but the vehicle weighs less than 8 tons so the B7RLE has more than 2 tons extra to cart around. Yesterday I came home on 2210 on the 37 packed with around 60 passengers and it didn't seem to have any effect on performance.
It's a good point. I wish manufacturers would learn to strike a balance. They either create a sturdy, durable underpowered lump like the B7RLE or a lightweight flimsy flying machine like E200's and Omnilinks full of plastic and poorly bonded components that like to work loose and drop off after the first 10 potholes. Unfortunately there seems to be little inbetween.
B7rle underpowered? Try an e200. Problem with them is the ECU programming which is hampering performance. This is done to save fuel drivers throwing people down the bus etc. The e200s seem to be OK once moving. Arrival and selects seem to be better in comparison but this may be down to the fact they have different gearboxes.
Omnilinks are not that lightweight and they're pretty sturdy. Scania chassis is very good, just the interior design could be better and the window fittings on the outside need improving. Not had a YW scania had anything fall off on my many daily trips and they managed to survive a very rough Highters Heath road for a few years. Not many body rattles, just the useless ticket bins and some fitting on the cab partition. Although the later Johnson ones have a far better interior design and look due to the lighter shades used.
I would take an omni link, then a b7rle, then a crap rattle e200
I am yet to sample the e200 mmc
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 05, 2015, 03:23:13 PM
I would take an omni link, then a b7rle, then a crap rattle e200
I am yet to sample the e200 mmc
You definitely should try and get a ride on one sometime! They are unlike any other E200 I've travelled on before, rattle-free and fast, yet smooth with minimal jerking around. These E200 MMCs are full-size single-decks, with plenty of seats and room inside.
From a passenger's perspective, after you've travelled on one of these, you suddenly realise just how 'weedy' the Eclipse 2 B7RLEs are in comparison. The OmniLinks are good solid buses, but I feel the E200 MMCs are superior replacements.
Quote from: Stu on September 05, 2015, 03:50:10 PM
You definitely should try and get a ride on one sometime! They are unlike any other E200 I've travelled on before, rattle-free and fast, yet smooth with minimal jerking around. These E200 MMCs are full-size single-decks, with plenty of seats and room inside.
From a passenger's perspective, after you've travelled on one of these, you suddenly realise just how 'weedy' the Eclipse 2 B7RLEs are in comparison. The OmniLinks are good solid buses, but I feel the E200 MMCs are superior replacements.
The E200 MMC are a very nice ride on the 71 between Sutton Coldfield and Chelmsley Wood in my opinion infact I do rather like them
@Stu definetley agree with your opinion of the E200 MMC
2201 now back at AG (not in service today)
2235 is out on 71
Currently just passed Solihull hospital 0837
To Sutton Coldfield
My first impression of the E200 MMC on the first day in service was of a step change from earlier E200s. The interior is much better than Omnilink or B7RLE as the rear end is much lower. The one thing that annoys me is the rattle / vibration from the engine compartment on acceleration. They're all the same.
Can someone confirm if 4662 Was on the 11A yesterday and it reached Erdington around Just before 11.30
2235 passed Yardley Yew Tree out of service at 3:30 PM must of finished now then for the day
Quote from: Nathan on September 07, 2015, 04:38:01 PM
2235 and another E200MMC just behind it in Sutton about 13:50 this afternoon
@Nathan did 2235 continue to Solihull?
Possibly was taken out of service because it was running late?
Quote from: Tony on September 07, 2015, 08:33:50 AM
2201 now back at AG (not in service today)
Out on the 37 this afternoon
Quote from: Stevo on September 07, 2015, 09:35:33 AM
The one thing that annoys me is the rattle / vibration from the engine compartment on acceleration. They're all the same.
Yes, I noticed that the other day on 2227, it was quite intrusive. Purely by coincidence, I've ridden that one three times now, but haven't been aware of any rattle before ......
For the first time since they started arriving the 37 has its completely correct allocation on it of 18 E200MMCs and one Gemini
Quote from: Tony on September 08, 2015, 09:06:01 AM
For the first time since they started arriving the 37 has its completely correct allocation on it of 18 E200MMCs and one Gemini
Why does the route need one Gemini?
Route S1 is being worked by 2203 today
Quote from: Bryan on September 08, 2015, 09:16:20 AM
Why does the route need one Gemini?
The running board that operates the journey from Jaguar has a double deck
Quote from: Tony on September 08, 2015, 02:10:02 PM
The running board that operates the journey from Jaguar has a double deck
Thanks Tony.
YX65PXC is now taxed. Presumably 2237
What's happening with the 899? Is YW running it now? E400MMC on it on Tuesday, and a Trident yesterday.
@MW Well noticed - I hadn't seen that the 899 had transferred. Checked the website and this now has YW as the operator on 899's garage page.
1936 being driven up Warwick Road towards City by an engineer. Could be a breakdown or maybe a transfer?
Quote from: MW on September 11, 2015, 09:07:47 PM
1936 being driven up Warwick Road towards City by an engineer. Could be a breakdown or maybe a transfer?
Transfer. We've got it today in our front yard
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on September 12, 2015, 12:19:29 PM
Last night, the 37 around midnight was 4663 in fact, it was a Gemini for every other night this week too. Must be some reason?
@Bham Central Driver , Tony stated further up in this thread that the journey that operates from Land Rover uses a Gemini, which is why one appears in the evenings.
There is a Gemini currently out on the 966. Is it usually single deckers on a Sunday? Think the Gemini may be 4658
Quote from: 2206 on September 13, 2015, 06:23:20 PM
There is a Gemini currently out on the 966. Is it usually single deckers on a Sunday? Think the Gemini may be 4658
966 is 3 singles on Sundays.
2238 is now delivered on the 11E today did a 11E to The Fox And Goose in the 11A direction.
Have any of the others been delivered?
2205 - is currently on a daytime 1
1942 and 1943 out on the 37 today, with 2120 and the usual B7TL.
Quote from: Stevo on September 14, 2015, 06:07:52 PM
1942 and 1943 out on the 37 today, with 2120 and the usual B7TL.
I had 2120.
Two Geminis on the 37 today. 4510 & 4644.
Anyone looking for 2202? It's on a 1E, just left Five Ways.
Quote from: clayderman on September 15, 2015, 03:58:17 PM
Anyone looking for 2202? It's on a 1E, just left Five Ways.
So is late arrival 2225
Quote from: Tony on September 15, 2015, 04:00:33 PM
So is late arrival 2225
Have you got the new registrations for the final batch of E200MMC's yet
@Tony & is 2225 still a 15 plate or is it now a 65 plate??
2237 was on the 37 today. I thought up to 2244 were to get 71 & 72 branding.
Quote from: Stevo on September 15, 2015, 08:57:19 PM
2237 was on the 37 today. I thought up to 2244 were to get 71 & 72 branding.
Probably just has not been applied yet 2238 didn't have it yesterday either when I saw it on the 11 think 2220 also spent its first day out on the 71 unbranded when first delivered.
@Stevo
2225 is on 37 (YX65PWZ)
At Solihull Station now
Quote from: 2206 on September 15, 2015, 09:03:32 PM
Probably just has not been applied yet 2238 didn't have it yesterday either when I saw it on the 11 think 2220 also spent its first day out on the 71 unbranded when first delivered. @Stevo
Yesterday 2238 was on the 72 saw it top of Chipperfield Road about 12:30 on its way to Solihull looking nice unbranded even tho the 71/72 branding does looks smart
Quote from: Squiz1971 on September 16, 2015, 12:15:25 PM
Yesterday 2238 was on the 72 saw it top of Chipperfield Road about 12:30 on its way to Solihull looking nice unbranded even tho the 71/72 branding looks smart
Was on the 11 Monday 14th I agree it dose look very smart at the moment. 2224 was parked out of service in Acocks Green this morning looking as though it was about to start a 1 to Five Ways. Dose anyone know what 2116 doing in Stechford about 15 minutes ago?
@2206 on its way to Wolverhampton maybe? Im thinking 2115 and 2116 to wolves 2120 to bc?
Quote from: Chris on September 16, 2015, 05:06:48 PM
@2206 on its way to Wolverhampton maybe? Im thinking 2115 and 2116 to wolves 2120 to bc?
Don't think it was going to Wolverhampton. If it was going to Wolverhampton it was going the wrong way.
@Chris.
Quote from: 2206 on September 16, 2015, 05:09:18 PM
Don't think it was going to Wolverhampton. If it was going to Wolverhampton it was going the wrong way. @Chris
Hmmm, in that case no idea sorry
You'll often see MMCs in Stechford NIS either coming or going towards the 72 route. It was probably being adjusted.
Quote from: MW on September 16, 2015, 05:43:03 PM
You'll often see MMCs in Stechford NIS either coming or going towards the 72 route. It was probably being adjusted.
I noticed last week that one of the bues on the 11 dose a 11E then go's onto the 1 NIS through Stechford
@MW
Quote from: Stu on September 16, 2015, 07:04:32 PM
AG's 4082 is on the 37 :o
It was working the Jaguar Land Rover 37, out of city. They look really out of place on routes like the 31/37 don't they?! Seen 4066 working the 37 the other day, looking very strange coming out of Olton Station. That one became an 885 in Solihull however, so would have probably started in Acocks Green to Solihull. It's nice seeing them on these unusual routes here and there. They were much better in toothpaste livery though. I recall seeing 4042/4115 on the 31 back in the day looking very smart. The NXWM livery really looks terrible on these in my opinion, freshly repainted or not. In fact on every bus it looks terrible. Toothpaste livery FTW! Especially considering that all of the Plaxtons have got some sort of dent/scrape on the exterior! Looking very knackered!
Look at the photo of 4040 just posted on the main site. It was repainted back in 2008 - no wonder it's dented and faded!
Quote from: Stevo on September 17, 2015, 11:36:21 AM
Look at the photo of 4040 just posted on the main site. It was repainted back in 2008 - no wonder it's dented and faded!
I seem to remember 4040 was one of the very early repaints
Quote from: Winston on September 17, 2015, 11:54:41 AM
I see to remember 4040 was one of the very early repaints
Think 4040 was done in December 2007
@Winston
Quote from: 2206 on September 17, 2015, 04:30:40 PM
Think 4040 was done in December 2007 @Winston
It was one of the first repaints along with 4067 & 4073
Quote from: Winston on September 17, 2015, 04:42:08 PM
It was one of the first repaints along with 4067 & 4073
and 4052
@Winston 4075 aswell
2240/41 parked in the garage with 65 plates, although the last letters are covered. Not sure if already mentioned.
Two E200s off route today. I was on 2211 on the 37 and at around 1245 the driver turned off at Camp Hill down Bradford Street, rejoining the route via Rea Street. The E200 in front of us went straight on as usual. Is that an authorised diversion? 2212 was in Moor Street beyond the Albert Street junction, perhaps broken down.
Bad day for AG today.
Three drivers sat in traffic office this morning due to no buses!
I had an hours wait for my Gemini which came off another route after the morning peak!
Also 4082 has broke its gearbox, after being repaired and being on the road for around 2 weeks. Looks like the next withdrawal!
2238 is on 37 tonight
saw it departing Solihull 1730
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on September 17, 2015, 06:55:37 PM
2238 is on 37 tonight
saw it departing Solihull 1730
Yep, I saw it in Sparkbrook after 6pm, still unbranded, heading towards city.
2236 seems to have a fault with the right side of the destination screen noticed yesterday when I caught it on Chipperfield Road & on the 3 occasions I have caught it on the 72 the CCTV monitor was switched off.
2237 on 72 saw it at Saltley about 9:50 heading to Solihull if anybody wants photos
2242 and two others (2243/4? Maybe?) now at AG.
Quote from: Stevo on September 17, 2015, 11:36:21 AM
Look at the photo of 4040 just posted on the main site. It was repainted back in 2008 - no wonder it's dented and faded!
By the series of photos of it, appears to have been repainted December 2007, and had a succession of logos applied. Interestingly that dent on the offside lower deck panel in front of the short central bay seems to have been there since at least 2012.....
Good news on delivery of some of the remaining E200s, presumably the last few will arrive next week.
Think 2212 is now on the 31 16:00 from Solihull.
2212 has really taken a dislike to the 37 hasn't it ???
Passed the garage earlier (about half an hour ago now) on the 31 heading home, and could see what looked like two ambulances inside the garage, next to a parked up bus. Anyone any idea what's happened? (And please correct me if they weren't ambulances!)
Quote from: Stu on September 18, 2015, 07:44:38 PM
Passed the garage earlier (about half an hour ago now) on the 31 heading home, and could see what looked like two ambulances inside the garage, next to a parked up bus. Anyone any idea what's happened? (And please correct me if they weren't ambulances!)
Two police cars. Well one insignia and one Peugeot van thing. That's what I saw, unless the ambulance was there before.
Quote from: MW on September 18, 2015, 11:00:52 PM
Two police cars. Well one insignia and one Peugeot van thing. That's what I saw, unless the ambulance was there before.
Cheers MW, must have been the poilce van I saw, not an ambulance then!
2237 was on the 72 today and 2225 was on the 71 both still unbranded.
Quote from: MW on September 18, 2015, 11:00:52 PM
Two police cars. Well one insignia and one Peugeot van thing. That's what I saw, unless the ambulance was there before.
What were they doing there ?!
Has anyone managed to photograph one of AGs E200 mmc on the 1? Or is the best day to find one is on a sunday?
Quote from: Chris on September 20, 2015, 09:38:10 PM
Has anyone managed to photograph one of AGs E200 mmc on the 1? Or is the best day to find one is on a sunday?
I have seen some on there most days Monday to Friday. Some have been on the 11 as well recently
@Chris
Quote from: Chris on September 20, 2015, 09:38:10 PM
Has anyone managed to photograph one of AGs E200 mmc on the 1? Or is the best day to find one is on a sunday?
Well you could have photographed 2229 on the 966 today!
Quote from: Tony on September 20, 2015, 09:40:39 PM
Well you could have photographed 2229 on the 966 today!
Is that the first time an mmc has appeared on 966?
Quote from: Chris on September 20, 2015, 09:44:17 PM
Is that the first time an mmc has appeared on 966?
One probably has been ot there before because the 966 usualy has 3 single deckers as the main allocation on Sunday
@Chris
Quote from: 2206 on September 20, 2015, 10:24:05 PM
One probably has been ot there before because the 966 usualy has 3 single deckers as the main allocation on Sunday @Chris
Thanks
@2206 i wasn't sure if they have appeared as i live in stourbridge and rarely go pass birmingham on sunday service
The 1 had a bit of variety yesterday, a Gemini, Eclipse 2 and an Omnilink, no MMCs though.
2239 (YX65PXD)
Was at Solihull station 0845
Either on 71 or 72
2241 on the 31 today.
I have a hunch 1944 will be departing soon, it's receiving some attention from engineers parked in main garage rather than engineering dept.
An MMC on the S1 is not unusual as more enter service and they are replacing the OmniLinis and B7RLEs
Quote from: MW on September 21, 2015, 11:49:12 AM
2241 on the 31 today.
I have a hunch 1944 will be departing soon, it's receiving some attention from engineers parked in main garage rather than engineering dept.
It must have switched (2241), as I just passed it on the 37 :D
2243 on 37 saw it at 17.15 ish leaving city
2241(YX65 PXG) in Chipperfield Road on its way to Solihull at 14:52
2201 parked up in Solihull town centre with a smashed windscreen, drivers side.
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on September 22, 2015, 05:35:26 PM
2201 parked up in Solihull town centre with a smashed windscreen, drivers side.
That one's not having much luck is it! Hasn't this recently come back from accident repairs?
2238 and 2241 on 37 today
2239 on 71
There is a Omnilink on the 37 (possibly 1943) and there is another Scania Omnilink on the 1
So whats left the single deckers to transfer from ag
2106/08 to PN
2115/16 to wolves?
2120 to BC?
How many Omnilinks remain at AG
2225 on the73 this afternoon. Left Solihull 1305.
Quote from: Chris on September 23, 2015, 01:37:35 PM
So whats left the single deckers to transfer from ag
2106/08 to PN
2115/16 to wolves?
2120 to BC?
How many Omnilinks remain at AG
7 - 1934/5, 1940/1 & 1943-5
1934 is awaiting transfer to yardley wood so prob will happen overnight
4027 just seen at Scott arms junction heading in walsall direction.
The destination display on 2236 look like something is wrong with it part of the part of the 11E and Fox And Goose were not displaying properly
Two E200s with 71/2 branding on the 37 today, one of which was 2233.
Is there a reason for the many E200MMC off route over the last few days? One or two is fair enough but 11 yesterday and 7 today?
Quote from: John on September 24, 2015, 05:22:14 PM
Is there a reason for the many E200MMC off route over the last few days? One or two is fair enough but 11 yesterday and 7 today?
I've noticed that since they've arrived myself. Suppose the allocator is taking it easy.
Do AG have 4041 yet?
Quote from: 2206 on September 24, 2015, 04:28:44 PM
The destination display on 2236 look like something is wrong with it part of the part of the 11E and Fox And Goose were not displaying properly
I've noticed that fault since it first entered service. I would have thought that faults with destination equipment would be seen to quite quickly.
4661 was surrounded with ambulances in Acocks Green village around 5.
Looks as if the 71E went the wrong way out of JLR tonight. Spotted him doing a u turn just before the canal bridge. The 957 was parked up just after the bus stop, so I assume he was assisting with the reverse. He also seemed to start at the Hospital rather than the town centre!
2242 on 37 today
Doing 0850 to city from Solihull
2244 out on 72 today seen it at Marston Green this morning
2225 and 2238 are both still unbranded
Both are on the 37 today.
Quote from: 2206 on September 25, 2015, 04:43:38 PM
2225 and 2238 are both still unbranded
Both are on the 37 today.
As is 2243. I guess with the shortage of vehicles at present, the recent arrivals have been pressed into service quickly. Maybe over the weekend, when less buses are required, they'll be able to get them branded up and back on the correct routes next week.
Quote from: Stu on September 25, 2015, 06:57:21 PM
As is 2243. I guess with the shortage of vehicles at present, the recent arrivals have been pressed into service quickly. Maybe over the weekend, when less buses are required, they'll be able to get them branded up and back on the correct routes next week.
The route brander has been at Coventry this week, doing the Enviro 400s, he's due back at AG tomorrow
An MMC on the 37 had an RTC with another bus this morning, apparently. At Solihull Station. Whether it's true or not, I can't confirm.
Quote from: MW on September 25, 2015, 09:30:05 PM
An MMC on the 37 had an RTC with another bus this morning, apparently. At Solihull Station. Whether it's true or not, I can't confirm.
2242 (Photo courtesy of James Emberton)
https://flic.kr/p/z5b2VX
2243 NIS passed Yardley swan 0850 to Solihull
Does anyone know if since the recent timetable changes, the 31 evening allocations have changed? Its just that in the last couple of weeks, I only seem to see double-decks on the 31 passing my house throughout the evening, where previously it used to be single-decks that came off the 37.
AG 1 - 2225 - Seen at around 13:20 on Church Road
AG 1 - 2237 - 10:22 from Five Ways
AG 1 - 2238 - 10:42 from Five Ways
Quote from: Tony on September 26, 2015, 03:30:42 PM
The reason for all the single deck unusual workings (B7 on 23/23; E200MMCs on the 1; Scania on the 49 etc) is because NX have about 100 double decks on rugby shuttle buses today
But isn't that like saying, Sod the usual passengers on these routes, they don't matter. Just because we have visitors in town we will give them priority.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 26, 2015, 03:37:07 PM
But isn't that like saying, Sod the usual passengers on these routes, they don't matter. Just because we have visitors in town we will give them priority.
Oh I am sorry, do you know of a passenger that hasn't got a seat on any of these service?
Quote from: Tony on September 26, 2015, 03:38:56 PM
Oh I am sorry, do you know of a passenger that hasn't got a seat on any of these service?
Fair point, then why isn't the 1 operated by single deckers every week?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 26, 2015, 03:37:07 PM
But isn't that like saying, Sod the usual passengers on these routes, they don't matter. Just because we have visitors in town we will give them priority.
Obviously had to be done with the deckers on car parks but not ideal given number of events on in city this weekend and potential extra volume, NX even did a group price promotion! Guess they wanted to cash in and generate extra volume which makes good sense
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 26, 2015, 03:59:15 PM
Obviously had to be done with the deckers on car parks but not ideal given number of events on in city this weekend and potential extra volume, NX even did a group price promotion! Guess they wanted to cash in and generate extra volume which makes good sense
Yes but there are plenty of Presidents, and other types in the reserve fleet, why not use them instead of using service buses?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 26, 2015, 04:27:59 PM
Yes but there are plenty of Presidents, and other types in the reserve fleet, why not use them instead of using service buses?
Because they will need MOT's & to be made fit for service again, not worth it for one day
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 26, 2015, 04:27:59 PM
Yes but there are plenty of Presidents, and other types in the reserve fleet, why not use them instead of using service buses?
Because they need taco's don't they?
Quote from: Dom on September 26, 2015, 04:29:57 PM
Because they need taco's don't they?
Quote from: MW on September 26, 2015, 01:01:12 PM
Convoy of around 10 buses seen passing Swan, towards Aston Villa. Some with Villa Park destinations and some with Rugby World Cup 2015. Mainly Gemini (all 45xx) and E400MMC (YW ones) and I think two Presidents.
Around 12ish.
Didn't know any Presidents or, 45** Gemini have taco's
@Dom ?
Quote from: Winston on September 26, 2015, 04:29:49 PM
Because they will need MOT's & to be made fit for service again, not worth it for one day
But isn't that what the reserve fleet is for, otherwise just call them the Withdrawn fleet.
No the RWC services have all been registered so normal buses can be used. NX's Saturday requirement is well over 100 less than the Monday to Friday so finding 100 buses on a Saturday is no problem at all. 100 drivers is the biggest difficulty hence why some of the RWC is sub contracted out to Green Bus, Arriva; Midland Classic & Johnsons. It does mean that some buses that normally sit idle on a Saturday are out & about including the 3 Spectras and normally spare single decks are being used on routes like the 1 that don't actually serve the City Centre so can easily cope with 45 seaters
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 26, 2015, 04:37:34 PM
But isn't that what the reserve fleet is for, otherwise just call them the Withdrawn fleet.
There are only 9 reserve fleet the rest are withdrawn. The reserve fleet is being used as it should with 4027; 4032 & 4105 going to Walsall that only leaves six, & two of those are going to AG/YW soon
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 26, 2015, 03:59:15 PM
Obviously had to be done with the deckers on car parks but not ideal given number of events on in city this weekend and potential extra volume, NX even did a group price promotion! Guess they wanted to cash in and generate extra volume which makes good sense
With the 1 not serving the city and the 22/23 only having the one single decker on there (rest appeared to be B5s) don't really see that this was was a problem. Usually a bit of spare capacity on most buses on a Saturday anyway.
Unbranded 2238 is on the 37 today. It's just passed tyseley heading for solihull.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 26, 2015, 03:37:07 PM
But isn't that like saying, Sod the usual passengers on these routes, they don't matter. Just because we have visitors in town we will give them priority.
You can't come on here alleging that NX are a bunch of money grabbing profiteers with no regard for the passengers who have already paid them for passes because they've disposed of everybody else. Just because they were flashed the cash by the Rugby World Cup?
That will never be tolerated in these parts......
Anyway, getting back to topic, as my original question got 'drowned out'...
Quote from: Stu on September 26, 2015, 12:50:22 PM
Does anyone know if since the recent timetable changes, the 31 evening allocations have changed? Its just that in the last couple of weeks, I only seem to see double-decks on the 31 passing my house throughout the evening, where previously it used to be single-decks that came off the 37.
Quote from: andy41 on September 27, 2015, 01:27:05 PM
You can't come on here alleging that NX are a bunch of money grabbing profiteers with no regard for the passengers who have already paid them for passes because they've disposed of everybody else. Just because they were flashed the cash by the Rugby World Cup?
That will never be tolerated in these parts......
It will if it were true, but a lot of the RWC services were driven by non-driving staff and even garages that are currently suffering staff shortages like AG still managed to get a full registered service out of the garage, even if some mileage was lost due to the traffic congestion caused by the event, so NX did grab the money on offer, and could have provided all the vehicles, but realised if they had staffed all the vehicles they would have had no regard for the normal passengers as duties wouldn't have been covered so hired buses off several other operators (*) to make sure that didn't happen.
Other operators on hire to WMT Ltd included
Green Bus
Midland Classic ( I don't think 4002 turned up!)
First Midland Red
Arriva Midlands North
Quote from: Stu on September 27, 2015, 06:25:29 PM
Anyway, getting back to topic, as my original question got 'drowned out'...
Quite surprising as I've seen a few single decks on it although the last was a double deck
Anyone have a list of vehicles of what NXWM had on hire for RWC?
2201 is on the 1
4673 is on the 37 I usually see a Enviro 200 MMC on the journey it was doing
My friend, he just visited YW garage, has told me that 4520 was being repaired in Yardley Wood Garage but 1926 might not be repaired.
Would be a shame if 1926 isn't repaired - damage to the front must've been fairly severe if it's not viable to fix.
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on September 28, 2015, 08:37:00 AM
2236 (71/72) - 37 (now route branded)
2236 has been route branded since it first entered service at the start of September
@nxwmbusfan1999
Would have thought the Gemini would be more damaged
I'm sure the scanias are leased so if so would imagine Scania have finally say?
Quote from: 2206 on September 28, 2015, 04:02:04 PM
4673 is on the 37 I usually see a Enviro 200 MMC on the journey it was doing
Which journey is that? The only journey I've been able to ascertain an exact vehicle type is the 8:13am timetabled journey that leaves Acocks Green towards city, that has almost always been a Gemini whenever I catch it! And it is somewhat scheduled almost precisely, because if I get the one either side that is usually a single-deck, they almost certainly end up getting rammed!
Quote from: Stu on September 28, 2015, 09:00:42 PM
Which journey is that? The only journey I've been able to ascertain an exact vehicle type is the 8:13am timetabled journey that leaves Acocks Green towards city, that has almost always been a Gemini whenever I catch it! And it is somewhat scheduled almost precisely, because if I get the one either side that is usually a single-deck, they almost certainly end up getting rammed!
14:54 from the City Centre it is 15:25 from Acocks Green the one 2230 was doing on Friday is usually always a Enviro 200 MMC
@Stu
Really, the only possible rare workings at AG are a decker on the 71/72, and a single decker on the full 11A/C. Everything else isn't exactly rare.
Quote from: MW on September 28, 2015, 09:35:14 PM
Really, the only possible rare workings at AG are a decker on the 71/72, and a single decker on the full 11A/C. Everything else isn't exactly rare.
And a decker on the S1 ;)
New ones out today
2249 on 72 (currently on towards chelmsey wood)
2250 on 71 to Sutton Coldfield
Has 2106 transferred, seen it on the Hagley Road not in service
Quote from: Chris on September 29, 2015, 04:02:06 PM
Has 2106 transferred, seen it on the Hagley Road not in service
@Chris It was on the 31 this morning
Quote from: Chris on September 29, 2015, 04:02:06 PM
Has 2106 transferred, seen it on the Hagley Road not in service
There should have been two of them. Both left the garage earlier.
Quote from: MW on September 29, 2015, 05:21:16 PM
There should have been two of them. Both left the garage earlier.
What time
@MW sure I saw 2106 on the 31 at about 08:50?
Quote from: MW on September 29, 2015, 05:21:16 PM
There should have been two of them. Both left the garage earlier.
Would that be 2108 with 2106? - I assume are Pensnett-bound.
The one I saw was either 2106 or 2108. Even if it was on the 31, it could have been easily taken off when outside the garage.
1944 looks like it's getting the ticket machine removed.
Quote from: MW on September 29, 2015, 05:34:56 PM
The one I saw was either 2106 or 2108. Even if it was on the 31, it could have been easily taken off when outside the garage.
@MW Funny thing was i saw 2106 going towards birmingham by the kings head. I know they are due to transfer to Pensnett.
All three types of AG single decker on the 73 today.
Not bad for a route that normally has double decks
Is AG at bursting point ?! I say this because the MMcs have arrived and theirs still quute a few Omnlinks and B7RLEs still there
2106 & 2108 have both transferred to Pensnett today. 2106 wasn't on the 31 earlier. 2108 was
Quote from: Tony on September 29, 2015, 07:34:30 PM
2106 & 2108 have both transferred to Pensnett today. 2106 wasn't on the 31 earlier. 2108 was
Thanks
@Tony must of been 2108 that went passed me then.
2106 was on the 73 earlier today.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on September 29, 2015, 08:39:50 PM
2106 was on the 73 earlier today.
Quite surprising as Tony has mentioned its transferred to Pensnett !
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on September 29, 2015, 09:25:48 PM
Quite surprising as Tony has mentioned its transferred to Pensnett !
It could have been on there in the morning though
@GeminiFan1991 as Tony mentioned 2108 was on the 31 earlier today but has now transferred
Quote from: Tony on September 29, 2015, 07:34:30 PM
2106 & 2108 have both transferred to Pensnett today. 2106 wasn't on the 31 earlier. 2108 was
2250 (YX65PXR)
On 71
Just left Solihull Station 1030
some trampy chav has urinated on 4102 upstairs at the back with his friend next to him letting it happen!
might want to clean that up when it gets back to the garage.
Quote from: OH25 on September 30, 2015, 02:03:32 PM
some trampy chav has urinated on 4102 upstairs at the back with his friend next to him letting it happen!
might want to clean that up when it gets back to the garage.
Lovely. That should be taken out of service to be cleaned as soon as
There was a Enviro 200MMC on the 31 earlier today
Quote from: 2206 on September 30, 2015, 05:09:48 PM
There was a Enviro 200MMC on the 31 earlier today
Probably the one I caught to work this morning, think it was 2218, it was 37 branded.
Also, this evening I noted 2236 operating off-route on the 37, but what was more interesting was that it already appears to have a faulty front destination display. :(
Quote from: Stu on September 30, 2015, 06:42:24 PM
Probably the one I caught to work this morning, think it was 2218, it was 37 branded.
Also, this evening I noted 2236 operating off-route on the 37, but what was more interesting was that it already appears to have a faulty front destination display. :(
What time was 2218 in Acocks Green
@StuThe destination display was like that when I saw it on a 11E about 2 weeks ago
Quote from: 2206 on September 30, 2015, 06:44:56 PM
What time was 2218 in Acocks Green @Stu
The destination display was like that when I saw it on a 11E about 2 weeks ago
It was a couple of minutes late, but would have been the 0817 departure from Acocks Green village towards city.
Quote from: Stu on September 30, 2015, 06:47:52 PM
It was a couple of minutes late, but would have been the 0817 departure from Acocks Green village towards city.
Must of been more than one on there then don't know the exact time I passed it but, it was most likely doing the 08:57 from Acocks Green
@Stu Plus a 223* did the 16:00 31 from Solihull
Quote from: Stu on September 30, 2015, 06:42:24 PM
Probably the one I caught to work this morning, think it was 2218, it was 37 branded.
Also, this evening I noted 2236 operating off-route on the 37, but what was more interesting was that it already appears to have a faulty front destination display. :(
Been like it since it entered service. Had on the 72 the other day, could barely make out the route number.
Quote from: 2206 on October 02, 2015, 04:29:02 PM
AG 1 - 1935
@2206 Anything available gets used on the 1 during peak times.
Quote from: Stu on October 02, 2015, 07:31:07 PM
@2206 Anything available gets used on the 1 during peak times.
I didn't see 1935 on the 1 during the peak time it was about 3PM when I saw it
@Stu
think i saw 2248 on the m1 being driven to the west midlands assuming that came from scalborough.
You did see 2248 being delivered today completing the 50
Quote from: RS on October 04, 2015, 08:40:23 PM
4510 AG37 usually E200MMCS
Not really noteworthy
@RS , as Geminis are also used throughout the week, but surprising for a Sunday really, with the reduced numbers of buses required, one might expect all E200s on Sunday now.
Quote from: Stu on October 05, 2015, 07:39:39 PM
Not really noteworthy @RS , as Geminis are also used throughout the week, but surprising for a Sunday really, with the reduced numbers of buses required, one might expect all E200s on Sunday now.
The Jaguar 37s don't run on Sunday so, in my opinion fairly Noteworthy for a Sunday.
@Stu
Quote from: 2206 on October 05, 2015, 07:47:24 PM
The Jaguar 37s don't run on Sunday so, in my opinion fairly Noteworthy for a Sunday. @Stu
That may be your opinion, but as I've seen Geminis on the 37 on Sundays most weeks now, I personally don't consider it noteworthy. ;)
Quote from: Stu on October 05, 2015, 07:49:45 PM
That may be your opinion, but as I've seen Geminis on the 37 on Sundays most weeks now, I personally don't consider it noteworthy. ;)
@Stu uses the route regularly, so he would know. Single deckers also appear on the 5 on Sunday
I cant be the only person who thinks Geminis and OmniLinks on the 37 aren't noteworthy ?!
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 05, 2015, 09:55:17 PM
I cant be the only person who thinks Geminis and OmniLinks on the 37 aren't noteworthy ?!
No you're not ;)
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 05, 2015, 09:55:17 PM
I cant be the only person who thinks Geminis and OmniLinks on the 37 aren't noteworthy ?!
As a rule they are not but I saw 1941/4510 on the 37 Sunday and thought it would be full E200 operation
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 05, 2015, 09:55:17 PM
I cant be the only person who thinks Geminis and OmniLinks on the 37 aren't noteworthy ?!
No they are not noteworthy, so please, we don't need long lists of them
AG still have two Scanias so they will turn up on any single deck board
Geminis are on the 37 seven days a week, wait until next week then there might be something noteworthy on the 37
Quote from: Tony on October 05, 2015, 09:58:35 PM
No they are not noteworthy, so please, we don't need long lists of them
AG still have two Scanias so they will turn up on any single deck board
Geminis are on the 37 seven days a week, wait until next week then there might be something noteworthy on the 37
4798 on the 11A/C?
Quote from: Tony on October 05, 2015, 09:58:35 PM
No they are not noteworthy, so please, we don't need long lists of them
AG still have two Scanias so they will turn up on any single deck board
Geminis are on the 37 seven days a week, wait until next week then there might be something noteworthy on the 37
I agree, just before the arrival of these E200MMCs, the OmniLinks were branded for the route and Geminis appeared quite often.
You tease us Tony ! I get the feeling this Volvo demonstrators will be making its way to AG soon
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 05, 2015, 10:17:16 PM
I agree, just before the arrival of these E200MMCs, the OmniLinks were branded for the route and Geminis appeared quite often.
You tease us Tony ! I get the feeling this Volvo demonstrators will be making its way to AG soon
I hope so, and I hope I get to drive one!
One of the unbranded Enviro 200MMC was on the Coventry Road this afternoon out of service. Going towards the Swan shopping centre
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on October 07, 2015, 11:18:14 AM
AG|2213| on the 1E to Moseley at 07:50
@Demonstrator4698 as stated earlier, anything gets thrown onto the 1 during the peak times.
OK. 2212 has been evading its route lately but this the first time i have seen an ADL Enviro200MMC E20D on the 1E. Your 4520 is currently at YW being repaired. It will take 1Year to fix but the omnilink (1926) won't be fixed.
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on October 07, 2015, 07:02:08 PM
OK. 2212 has been evading its route lately but this the first time i have seen an ADL Enviro200MMC E20D on the 1E. Your 4520 is currently at YW being repaired. It will take 1Year to fix but the omnilink (1926) won't be fixed.
Not quite sure how you know either of those things
Quote from: Tony on October 07, 2015, 07:09:08 PM
Not quite sure how you know either of those things
I told him about 2212 ages ago and he got info about these buses whilst he was in YW garage.
Can't understand why they won't repair 1926?
There has been E200MMCs on the one almost every weekday for the last couple of weeks. 1926 isn't written off yet, and the time period for the repair of 4520 is not known yet
+Ronnoc1k8 I know. I got the info on 4520 from YW and 2212 off its route from you.
Where will the B5LH Demonstrator be based ?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 07, 2015, 07:23:18 PM
Can't understand why they won't repair 1926?
they won't repair 1926 because it suffered alot more damage than 4520 and it will cost alot of money for replacement parts so they won't fix 1926 at all.
Quote from: Tony on October 07, 2015, 07:24:33 PM
There has been E200MMCs on the one almost every weekday for the last couple of weeks. 1926 isn't written off yet, and the time period for the repair of 4520 is not known yet
Tony, When i went for my tour around YW, they told me that 4520 will take 1Year to repair and 1926 will not be fixed at all.
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on October 07, 2015, 07:33:28 PM
Tony, When i went for my tour around YW, they told me that 4520 will take 1Year to repair and 1926 will not be fixed at all.
I'm no expert on the matter, but I'm pretty sure that if a 10 year old bus was going to be off the road for a year being repaired, it is probably not worth doing so and would be scrapped.
I also don't know the extent of the damage, and what's involved in repairing such damage, but if there was some similar scrapped vehicle elsewhere, they could 'transplant' the front part of the body off. This would also depend on the extent of the damage to the chassis.
The moral of the story is don't believe everything you're told, don't forget someone at YW also told someone here that they had over 500 buses! ;)
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on October 07, 2015, 07:24:53 PM
+Ronnoc1k8 I know. I got the info on 4520 from YW and 2212 off its route from you.
Where will the B5LH Demonstrator be based ?
I told you that ages ago, I'm pretty sure now that 2212 is now on its usual route.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 07, 2015, 07:58:05 PM
I told you that ages ago, I'm pretty sure now that 2212 is now on its usual route.
And I am sure that if 1926 was to be withdrawn, it would have gone by now!
I've seen 2212 loads of times on the 37, so I'm not quite sure why you think it is 'evading its route'.
Quote from: Stu on October 07, 2015, 08:04:07 PM
I've seen 2212 loads of times on the 37, so I'm not quite sure why you think it is 'evading its route'.
I got that info from Ronnoc1k8. He told me that "2212 has been evading its route lately" and i just posted what he told me. Hope this answers your question:-)
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 07, 2015, 08:03:27 PM
And I am sure that if 1926 was to be withdrawn, it would have gone by now!
I don't know what YW is going to do with 1926. They will either fix it which is not going to happen is what i've been told or they, as you said may just withdraw 1926 completely.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 07, 2015, 07:58:05 PM
I told you that ages ago, I'm pretty sure now that 2212 is now on its usual route.
This was a one time off and i know its back on its normal route now.
Quote from: Stu on October 07, 2015, 07:57:22 PM
I'm no expert on the matter, but I'm pretty sure that if a 10 year old bus was going to be off the road for a year being repaired, it is probably not worth doing so and would be scrapped.
I also don't know the extent of the damage, and what's involved in repairing such damage, but if there was some similar scrapped vehicle elsewhere, they could 'transplant' the front part of the body off. This would also depend on the extent of the damage to the chassis.
The moral of the story is don't believe everything you're told, don't forget someone at YW also told someone here that they had over 500 buses! ;)
Tony, thanks for correcting me about that point you said and your 100% correct and yes, they did have over 500 buses but i don't know how many vuses are there now though.
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on October 07, 2015, 08:15:36 PM
Tony, thanks for correcting me about that point you said and your 100% correct and yes, they did have over 500 buses but i don't know how many vuses are there now though.
That's Stu, not tony ;)
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 07, 2015, 08:19:15 PM
That's Stu, not tony ;)
whoops, Thanks Stu for correcting me. I got you confused with Tony:-)
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on October 07, 2015, 08:25:25 PM
whoops, Thanks Stu for correcting me. I got you confused with Tony:-)
I'm ronnoc, not stu :o
Personally i dont think either of them are massively heavy and probably be subbed out to Carlyle. You might see them back before Xmas?
That's my guess anyway
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 07, 2015, 08:28:45 PM
I'm ronnoc, not stu :o
Ronnoc1k8 now your confusing me. That last repky was for Stu not you
Quote from: BN on October 07, 2015, 08:31:28 PM
Personally i dont think either of them are massively heavy and probably be subbed out to Carlyle. You might see them back before Xmas?
That's my guess anyway
Do you mean 4520 & 1926 ?
Quote from: BN on October 07, 2015, 08:31:28 PM
Personally i dont think either of them are massively heavy and probably be subbed out to Carlyle. You might see them back before Xmas?
That's my guess anyway
4520 is being repaired in house by Service Support at YW
Quote from: Tony on October 07, 2015, 08:35:16 PM
4520 is being repaired in house by Service Support at YW
Thats correct . 4520 is being held at YW for repair and maintenance:-)
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on October 07, 2015, 08:39:05 PM
Thats correct . 4520 is being held at YW for repair and maintenance:-)
I know it is correct, I am involved in vehicle allocations/movements etc
Quote from: Tony on October 07, 2015, 08:35:16 PM
4520 is being repaired in house by Service Support at YW
Hence why it has been moved to 'reserve'? (according to your fleetlist changes)
4047 or 48 got a front-end rebuild at YW too.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 07, 2015, 08:53:14 PM
4047 or 48 got a front-end rebuild at YW too.
4048. It was there when the joint open day was held with Acocks Green
Quote from: Demonstrator4698 on October 07, 2015, 07:33:28 PM
Tony, When i went for my tour around YW, they told me that 4520 will take 1Year to repair and 1926 will not be fixed at all.
Just confirmed neither of those are correct
4527 should be at Acocks Green Monday
Quote from: Tony on October 09, 2015, 12:25:25 PM
4527 should be at Acocks Green Monday
Are these in the paint shop by any chance?
Scania Omnilink - AG 1
I think its 1940
Any news on this unusual vehicle and on the 37 next week?
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on October 09, 2015, 04:34:58 PM
Any news on this unusual vehicle and on the 37 next week?
I never said unusual vehicle or specified the 37 route, just said something of interest will be at AG.
MW has guessed correct and 4527 will arrive Monday, the first Gemini in Crimson livery
Quote from: Tony on October 09, 2015, 06:26:08 PM
I never said unusual vehicle or specified the 37 route, just said something of interest will be at AG.
MW has guessed correct and 4527 will arrive Monday, the first Gemini in Crimson livery
Wasn't really a guess was it?
I guess it'll be on the 37 till there's enough for its route however? Yes that is a guess lol.
Quote from: Tony on October 09, 2015, 06:26:08 PM
I never said unusual vehicle or specified the 37 route, just said something of interest will be at AG.
MW has guessed correct and 4527 will arrive Monday, the first Gemini in Crimson livery
Omg, that's absolutely amazing! Hope they do the Wolverhampton ALX400's next.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 09, 2015, 07:25:13 PM
Omg, that's absolutely amazing! Hope they do the Wolverhampton ALX400's next.
@ronnoc1k8 wolvo has tridents, WB/WA/CV/PB has Alx 400s.
It is a guess the outer circles getting the crimson treatment next?
If geminis are being done tridents definitely will from 45** may be even earlier tridents. Would love to have seen a b6 in crimson
The funny thing is 4533/4 and possibly others have a sticker in cab saying to keep headlights on in Solihull town centre! Funny that they will be relevant again!
Quote from: Chris on October 09, 2015, 07:41:59 PM
@ronnoc1k8 wolvo has tridents, WB/WA/CV/PB has Alx 400s.
It is a guess the outer circles getting the crimson treatment next?
ALX400 is the bodywork. All NXWM's Tridents have ALX400 bodywork, as do B7TLs 4225 to 4304, plus CV 4415-24.
So all of the above garages have ALX400s, just not on the same chassis.
Gemini in crimson. ... cant wait for this !!
BY is the odd 1 out with a fleet of Scanias, its fairly easy to assume their the same vehicles,
I hope it's getting LED displays, or just the front one. It'll look rubbish with DotMatrix displays
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 09, 2015, 07:44:12 PM
If geminis are being done tridents definitely will from 45** may be even earlier tridents. Would love to have seen a b6 in crimson
I doubt it. Gemini's seem to be better built and more reliable which is probably why these ones are being done. I look forward to driving 4527-34 though :D
Childhood dream of wanting to drive 4511-14, 4517-4534 & 4635-4679 lol. Only about 12 left to drive :)
Quote from: Mike K on October 09, 2015, 07:59:03 PM
ALX400 is the bodywork. All NXWM's Tridents have ALX400 bodywork, as do B7TLs 4225 to 4304, plus CV 4415-24.
So all of the above garages have ALX400s, just not on the same chassis.
I remember when i called WN trident an ALX400 and got my head ripped off. So technically i was right.
Quote from: Chris on October 09, 2015, 08:33:37 PM
I remember when i called WN trident an ALX400 and got my head ripped off. So technically i was right.
Dennis Trident 2 with Alexander ALX400 bodywork
Volvo B7TL with Alexander ALX400 bodywork.
Both are ALX400. Just because you got your "head ripped off" doesn't change the facts above.
You could just call them this, Dennis Trident ALX - TA Volvo B7TL - VA, Volvo president - VP
Quote from: Tomf1993 on October 09, 2015, 08:41:00 PM
You could just call them this, Dennis Trident ALX - TA Volvo B7TL - VA, Volvo president - VP
Why? They are not London buses and not even all London ops use those codes
London United called them VP TA VA lol :D btw I wanted to ask, are National Express and Abellio still merged? as the Abellio Buses uptill last year were still getting TWM latest blue and greey seat colors and same inside intiror as TWM buses do apart from the new MMC will TWM go to that same spec asthe new Abellio with red seats and yellow grab rails?
Quote from: MW on October 09, 2015, 08:38:07 PM
Dennis Trident 2 with Alexander ALX400 bodywork
Volvo B7TL with Alexander ALX400 bodywork.
Both are ALX400. Just because you got your "head ripped off" doesn't change the facts above.
Ok sorry
Quote from: Tomf1993 on October 09, 2015, 08:47:18 PM
London United called them VP TA VA lol :D btw I wanted to ask, are National Express and Abellio still merged? as the Abellio Buses uptill last year were still getting TWM latest blue and greey seat colors and same inside intiror as TWM buses do apart from the new MMC will TWM go to that same spec asthe new Abellio with red seats and yellow grab rails?
Arriva use VLA for B7/ALX
Quote from: MW on October 09, 2015, 08:26:27 PM
I doubt it. Gemini's seem to be better built and more reliable which is probably why these ones are being done. I look forward to driving 4527-34 though :D
Childhood dream of wanting to drive 4511-14, 4517-4534 & 4635-4679 lol. Only about 12 left to drive :)
Gemini's are quite bad actually, most of them vibrate on an enormous scale, when I say enormous, I mean enormous.
Quote from: Tony on October 09, 2015, 08:50:48 PM
Arriva use VLA for B7/ALX
Yes long wheel base, I tell you one thing those VLAs at Norwood Garage VLA1-78 they are the best in London all have kickdown, excellent buses, only buses liek those at WA is 4534 which you said is going the TA/VA WA are VOIT rubbish and worn out, the 529 TA are OK
Quote from: Tomf1993 on October 09, 2015, 08:47:18 PM
London United called them VP TA VA lol :D btw I wanted to ask, are National Express and Abellio still merged? as the Abellio Buses uptill last year were still getting TWM latest blue and greey seat colors and same inside intiror as TWM buses do apart from the new MMC will TWM go to that same spec asthe new Abellio with red seats and yellow grab rails?
No they are not merged. The PB Omnilinks, and WB, CV and PB Enviro 400 also have the same moquette style seats and the same colour grab handles as the MMC
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 09, 2015, 08:50:56 PM
Gemini's are quite bad actually, most of them vibrate on an enormous scale, when I say enormous, I mean enormous.
In my experience, I've found the 45xx batch to have some annoying vibrations to be fair. I haven't been on a Trident in at least 5-6 years, when YW had them on the 6, and WN on the 79 (Bham-Wolv), but when they were, I do remember them rattling around a lot. In particular, upstairs, the staircase panel, and the destination thing upstairs.
Speaking to engineers and drivers at the company though, they all seem to say AG is lucky to not have ADL vehicles. Well that was true up until recently lol. Was talking to a PB driver today, who was saying Volvos beat everything else they've got. Bearing in mind they've got 63 reg Enviro400s. Engineering wise, the Geminis don't seem to break down much at AG, compared to the Scanias/MMCs/Plaxton. I know the it's early days for the MMCs but still. Everything suggests ADL vehicles are terrible compared to Volvo/Wright. As said on here before by someone, the Volvo/Wright combination seems to work so well when you bear all that in mind. I think it was Tony who recently said that the Geminis basically don't rot. Or Wright vehicles generally.
Vibrations from the engine, like the Geminis have, wouldn't really effect build quality, reliability etc, that's just that particular engine seems to vibrate a lot.
Those are my thoughts anyway.
Quote from: 2206 on October 09, 2015, 08:57:45 PM
No they are not merged. The PB Omnilinks, and WB, CV and PB Enviro 400 also have the same moquette style seats and the same colour grab handles as the MMC
Isn't the moquette on the MMCs different to the Scanias AG had? I'm sure they are?
Quote from: MW on October 09, 2015, 09:01:35 PM
In my experience, I've found the 45xx batch to have some annoying vibrations to be fair. I haven't been on a Trident in at least 5-6 years, when YW had them on the 6, and WN on the 79 (Bham-Wolv), but when they were, I do remember them rattling around a lot. In particular, upstairs, the staircase panel, and the destination thing upstairs.
Speaking to engineers and drivers at the company though, they all seem to say AG is lucky to not have ADL vehicles. Well that was true up until recently lol. Was talking to a PB driver today, who was saying Volvos beat everything else they've got. Bearing in mind they've got 63 reg Enviro400s. Engineering wise, the Geminis don't seem to break down much at AG, compared to the Scanias/MMCs/Plaxton. I know the it's early days for the MMCs but still. Everything suggests ADL vehicles are terrible compared to Volvo/Wright. As said on here before by someone, the Volvo/Wright combination seems to work so well when you bear all that in mind. I think it was Tony who recently said that the Geminis basically don't rot. Or Wright vehicles generally.
Vibrations from the engine, like the Geminis have, wouldn't really effect build quality, reliability etc, that's just that particular engine seems to vibrate a lot.
Those are my thoughts anyway.
when buses vibrate, like a Dennis Dart, im told the brackets from the engine to the engine wall when the engine is bolted to are lose, which makes the buses vibrate, their is one WA Volvo ALX like that really annoying
Quote from: MW on October 09, 2015, 09:01:35 PM
In my experience, I've found the 45xx batch to have some annoying vibrations to be fair. I haven't been on a Trident in at least 5-6 years, when YW had them on the 6, and WN on the 79 (Bham-Wolv), but when they were, I do remember them rattling around a lot. In particular, upstairs, the staircase panel, and the destination thing upstairs.
Speaking to engineers and drivers at the company though, they all seem to say AG is lucky to not have ADL vehicles. Well that was true up until recently lol. Was talking to a PB driver today, who was saying Volvos beat everything else they've got. Bearing in mind they've got 63 reg Enviro400s. Engineering wise, the Geminis don't seem to break down much at AG, compared to the Scanias/MMCs/Plaxton. I know the it's early days for the MMCs but still. Everything suggests ADL vehicles are terrible compared to Volvo/Wright. As said on here before by someone, the Volvo/Wright combination seems to work so well when you bear all that in mind. I think it was Tony who recently said that the Geminis basically don't rot. Or Wright vehicles generally.
Vibrations from the engine, like the Geminis have, wouldn't really effect build quality, reliability etc, that's just that particular engine seems to vibrate a lot.
Those are my thoughts anyway.
The volvo's are impressive, I particularly love the ALX400's, but some vibrations are so strong, they even vibrate you. The ALX400's rattle a lot, it's quite annoying. But B7TL's are one of my favs, they are much more quieter then Euro 3 spec'd Tridents.
Quote from: MW on October 09, 2015, 09:02:43 PM
Isn't the moquette on the MMCs different to the Scanias AG had? I'm sure they are?
Yes but the refurbished PB ones have the same moquette
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 09, 2015, 09:09:06 PM
The volvo's are impressive, I particularly love the ALX400's, but some vibrations are so strong, they even vibrate you.
4507 is one that springs to mind easily. As much as I like the Gemini's, the vibration's stand out the most on this one!
Know it's not a Gem but 4113 is another with severe vibrations. Well to be honest it's just a rattlebox altogether really.
Quote from: AV4248 on October 09, 2015, 09:20:13 PM
4507 is one that springs to mind easily. As much as I like the Gemini's, the vibration's stand out the most on this one!
Know it's not a Gem but 4113 is another with severe vibrations. Well to be honest it's just a rattlebox altogether really.
4507 was the one I was thinking of too lol. Had it recently and found it quite irritating.
Quote from: MW on October 09, 2015, 09:25:37 PM
4507 was the one I was thinking of too lol. Had it recently and found it quite irritating.
Imagine being a passenger ! I tend to sit at bottom, at the back and if a bus is a rattler, damn you can feel it and Geminis are big culprits in this regard, I love them but they have their moments !
If a Gemini of nearly 12 years has been repainted in to crimson, surely some buses of different types that are a similar age can be repainted.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 09, 2015, 09:33:21 PM
If a Gemini of nearly 12 years has been repainted in to crimson, surely some buses of different types that are a similar age can be repainted.
I quite like the idea of a Plaxton in crimson, they look good in new paint I find !
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 09, 2015, 09:36:48 PM
I quite like the idea of a Plaxton in crimson, they look good in new paint I find !
Sadly, they're quite close to their end so it probably a really low chance of one being repainted in to Crimson.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 09, 2015, 09:39:44 PM
Sadly, they're quite close to their end so it probably a really low chance of one being repainted in to Crimson.
Its an impossibility I reckon although no harm in dreaming !
I hope we have now said goodbye not just to B6s, B10Ls and Spectras but also to red and white repaints.
Apparently 4527 has been repainted into Crimson and 4520 is being converted into a Trainer. Don't know if this is true though.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 10, 2015, 03:57:55 PM
Apparently 4527 has been repainted into Crimson and 4520 is being converted into a Trainer. Don't know if this is true though.
4527 is in the paintshop.
Here is 4529, the first Gemini finished
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4529.html
Quote from: Tony on October 10, 2015, 06:15:53 PM
Here is 4529, the first Gemini finished
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4529.html
Superb. The curves of the Eclipse Gemini were always going to suit this livery best and it doesn't disappoint. What a world of difference from the old red and white.
Quote from: Tony on October 10, 2015, 06:15:53 PM
Here is 4529, the first Gemini finished
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4529.html
What a beauty ! Hope more are done )
Quote from: Tony on October 10, 2015, 06:15:53 PM
Here is 4529, the first Gemini finished
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4529.html
Love it, love it, love it!!
Quote from: Tony on October 10, 2015, 06:15:53 PM
Here is 4529, the first Gemini finished
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4529.html
The livery actually suits the Gemini very well! Looking forward to see it with my own eyes. :)
I agree the Crimson livery does really suit the Geminis a lot better than the standard red & white livery on the others. I too cannot wait to see 4529 in the flesh too
Quote from: Tony on October 10, 2015, 06:15:53 PM
Here is 4529, the first Gemini finished
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4529.html
4529 looks Fantastic I also agree the Crimson Livery suits the Gemini's looking forward to seeing it in the flesh :)
It looks good, but like someone else said, it would look better with front LEDs. I wonder if 4529 now has a rear dot matrix fitted
Quote from: Sh4318 on October 11, 2015, 01:51:08 AM
It looks good, but like someone else said, it would look better with front LEDs. I wonder if 4529 now has a rear dot matrix fitted
Yeah, I think the dot matrix display makes it look quite dated. Did it not have a rear one before then?
Quote from: MW on October 11, 2015, 01:53:53 AM
Yeah, I think the dot matrix display makes it look quite dated. Did it not have a rear one before then?
No, it looks like there is one and it doesn't work, but if you look closely there isn't one there
@2206 2242 (YX65PXG) was on 31 today
2204 on 31 today as well
2245 on 37 today
2244 has been on the 73 all day.
Quote from: 2206 on October 12, 2015, 04:33:15 PM
4067 is on the 11C today
(think its on a board which is booked Gemini)
There is no such thing, no President on the circle is noteworthy
Quote from: Tony on October 12, 2015, 05:23:12 PM
There is no such thing, no President on the circle is noteworthy
Surprise surprise, he deleted his post...
President on the 11C as rare/noteworthy. I feel
@Dom 's pain lol
4023 and 4069 are both out on the 966 today.
Saw 4065 on the fly over at Perry Barr heading towards Great Barr...
4529 literally just arrived at AG. Looks really good in person! No LED though, whilst 4507 has gained one, or I didn't notice it before.
Quote from: MW on October 13, 2015, 04:12:52 PM
4529 literally just arrived at AG. Looks really good in person! No LED though, whilst 4507 has gained one, or I didn't notice it before.
Must be a very recent addition. It never had one at West Brom
Quote from: MW on October 13, 2015, 04:12:52 PM
4529 literally just arrived at AG. Looks really good in person! No LED though, whilst 4507 has gained one, or I didn't notice it before.
Yes, and you completely ignored me standing on it when you looked at it
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on October 13, 2015, 03:37:51 PM
Saw 4065 on the fly over at Perry Barr heading towards Great Barr...
That was me delivering it to Walsall on the way to fetch 4529 for AG
Quote from: Tony on October 13, 2015, 04:47:50 PM
Yes, and you completely ignored me standing on it when you looked at it
I didn't ignore you. I was on my way to the relief point as I was due to take over and was late. Also I was avoiding someone you were with, due to not wearing a tie. I didn't think you'd recognise me anyway, but apparently you did. Next time I'll come up to you and say hello, I wasn't being rude. My apologies.
how do the driving rotas run on sunday for the 72 do the drivers change in solihull or the city terminus
Quote from: iansdavies on October 13, 2015, 09:33:31 PM
how do the driving rotas run on sunday for the 72 do the drivers change in solihull or the city terminus
@MW could probably say for definite but I believe driver changes on the 5/71/72/73/S1/966 take place in Solihull seven days a week. The 1/11/31/37 outside or near to AG garage.
Also talk on the grapevine of the 73 going to BC.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on October 13, 2015, 09:37:06 PM
@MW could probably say for definite but I believe driver changes on the 5/71/72/73/S1/966 take place in Solihull seven days a week. The 1/11/31/37 outside or near to AG garage.
Also talk on the grapevine of the 73 going to BC.
The 5 is at Sarehole Mill, not Solihull. The 73/966/S1 (Solihull Rota) are in Solihull Town Centre. The 71/72 (Moseley) are in the Station. I think that's right anyway.
37 is Acocks Green Village. 1/11/31 is outside the garage.
Omni link on 37?
@Trident 4194 i think theres two still at AG to help out 1940/1941
I take it AG are short of a few double-decks at present, hence the spare MMCs appearing on both the 31 and 73 recently?
If that is true, please send the B7RLE's to the 73 and bring back double deckers to the X64
Quote from: Sayeed on October 15, 2015, 06:22:43 PM
If that is true, please send the B7RLE's to the 73 and bring back double deckers to the X64
Does the X64 really need double deckers? The journeys I see don't, although admittedly these are mostly from city in the morning peak, or Saturday daytime.
Quote from: Stu on October 15, 2015, 06:18:26 PM
I take it AG are short of a few double-decks at present, hence the spare MMCs appearing on both the 31 and 73 recently?
Would have thought if that was the case, they would have got more Plaxtons back
Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 15, 2015, 05:01:15 PM
Any more info
Sadly not. I was in Solihull one afternoon last week and walked past 4158 on the 70, the driver was sat on the platform and he was talking to an AG driver. I was trying to ID a Gemini parked behind it but then realised the bus stops had moved but as I walked back towards the new stops I caught by chance this rumour. I'm not the best at bedtime stories haha.
Quote from: Sayeed on October 15, 2015, 06:22:43 PM
If that is true, please send the B7RLE's to the 73 and bring back double deckers to the X64
All I saw on the X64 today was deckers, not sure what's going on with that route at present
Meanwhile, 4529 looks like it'll be out tomorrow. It's parked up in the garage surrounded by other Geminis, rather than in the corner tucked away. It was receiving some attention from the engineers earlier too.
Quote from: Sh4318 on October 15, 2015, 07:59:21 PM
All I saw on the X64 today was deckers, not sure what's going on with that route at present
Well when I was on my break at QEH, it was mostly single deckers from my observations. Whoever had an idea to extend X64 to QEH, I would like to say thank you and it is brilliant and finally 98 and 99 can have bit of space between University and city.
Quote from: Sayeed on October 16, 2015, 09:22:19 AM
Well when I was on my break at QEH, it was mostly single deckers from my observations. Whoever had an idea to extend X64 to QEH, I would like to say thank you and it is brilliant and finally 98 and 99 can have bit of space between University and city.
I see several X64s every day and it's almost all single deckers now - seems right for the loadings too.
Sorry, back to Acocks Green now.
any news on when the bond bus will be out
Some drivers that start the route 11 at Perry Barr set their dests way too early, I see them displaying 11/C/A/E on Highgate road, behind my early morning 8C bus. I just saw 4664 turning on to Stratford road with its dests still set to 11E just now.
EDIT: It was 4669, thanks MW. Boy my memory stinks.
Quote from: Sayeed on October 16, 2015, 09:22:19 AM
Well when I was on my break at QEH, it was mostly single deckers from my observations. Whoever had an idea to extend X64 to QEH, I would like to say thank you and it is brilliant and finally 98 and 99 can have bit of space between University and city.
Just going off what I saw yesterday. Saw at least 2 deckers
The X64 is now booked all single deck, but for obvious reasons is first choice for doubles if not enough singles are available
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 16, 2015, 07:17:19 PM
Some drivers that start the route 11 at Perry Barr set their dests way too early, I see them displaying 11/C/A/E on Highgate road, behind my early morning 8C bus. I just saw 4664 turning on to Stratford road with its dests still set to 11E just now.
Sure it wasn't 4669?
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 16, 2015, 07:45:33 PM
I think it was, not sure.
Were the interior lights on as well? That was me lmao
Quote from: MW on October 16, 2015, 07:48:09 PM
Were the interior lights on as well? That was me lmao
Yes they were, it was around 19:12 when I saw you. It was DHG that I saw so it was 4669. Hope to spot you again soon.
2250 was on the 1 today
Heading to AG for a job interview, hope this goes well, at least I'll get a nice look of the garage ! :P
hello how do you work out the 72 bus rota hours on a sunday
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 21, 2015, 10:41:41 AM
Heading to AG for a job interview, hope this goes well, at least I'll get a nice look of the garage ! :P
Hopefully it goes well for you. Best of luck!
Thanks all !
I had it earlier today and I believe it went well, the garage is quite nice, I clocked a tanker filling up the diesel tanks. Attempted to take a few photos on my phone which came out of focus and blurry
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 21, 2015, 02:44:16 PM
Thanks all !
I had it earlier today and I believe it went well, the garage is quite nice, I clocked a tanker filling up the diesel tanks. Attempted to take a few photos on my phone which came out of focus and blurry
Nice to know it went well. ;)
4529 was on the 11A this morning
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 21, 2015, 02:44:16 PM
Thanks all !
I had it earlier today and I believe it went well, the garage is quite nice, I clocked a tanker filling up the diesel tanks. Attempted to take a few photos on my phone which came out of focus and blurry
what job did you go for if you don't mind sharing?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on October 22, 2015, 04:37:48 PM
what job did you go for if you don't mind sharing?
I went for the role of Cash Counter
Quote from: 2206 on October 22, 2015, 03:54:41 PM
4529 was on the 11A this morning
It is still on the 11A now
Should be in Bearwood in about 10 mins
Quote from: 2206 on October 22, 2015, 03:54:41 PM
4529 was on the 11A this morning
A Crimson Gemini is on the 11A again today, 4529
Quote from: 2206 on October 24, 2015, 04:19:33 PM
A Crimson Gemini is on the 11A again today
Think its 4529
Yep, its 4529, saw it myself earlier this afternoon in Kings Heath.
Quote from: Stu on October 24, 2015, 05:17:38 PM
Yep, its 4529, saw it myself earlier this afternoon in Kings Heath.
Thanks for the information
@Stu
4529 seems to have spent most it's time on the 31, then the 5. A few daytime boards of the 31 go onto the 5 in the evening/night. It used to be 37s come off and go on the 31, but apparently it's 11s now.
Quote from: MW on October 24, 2015, 05:53:23 PM
4529 seems to have spent most it's time on the 31, then the 5. A few daytime boards of the 31 go onto the 5 in the evening/night. It used to be 37s come off and go on the 31, but apparently it's 11s now.
Thanks MW, that answers my previous comment as to why I was only seeing doubles passing my house in the evening (I live on the 31 route).
Quote from: Stu on October 24, 2015, 06:10:54 PM
...answers my previous comment as to why I was only seeing doubles passing my house in the evening
I frequently see double in the evening. However, I don't believe it's in any way bus related.
The back dot matrix isn't working on 4529, seems to be just blank!
Quote from: BU07 LGO on October 27, 2015, 03:29:41 PM
The back dot matrix isn't working on 4529, seems to be just blank!
Someone on here said its actually missing and has been for many years. I seem to recall it not working/missing when originally at AG a good few years ago.
This comment was posted whilst in a broken down 4040 at Perry Barr :)
Quote from: MW on October 27, 2015, 05:38:21 PM
Someone on here said its actually missing and has been for many years. I seem to recall it not working/missing when originally at AG a good few years ago.
This comment was posted whilst in a broken down 4040 at Perry Barr :)
That was me
Quote from: Sh4318 on October 11, 2015, 01:51:08 AM
It looks good, but like someone else said, it would look better with front LEDs. I wonder if 4529 now has a rear dot matrix fitted
I'm surprised 4529 hasn't had a rear blind fitted, 4249 did and that hasn't even been repainted yet
The flip-dot displays could do with removing and giving them a good clean so the yellow dots are more visible from a distance; even when illuminated, some are very difficult to see!
1913, 4369 & 2124 parked up in AG in a row looking very out of place. Just the BX59 on the Scania looks weird. Short of buses, short of drivers and now short of engineers here. And then there's me thinking of transferring to another garage (BC or YW).
Quote from: MW on October 27, 2015, 09:02:15 PM
1913, 4369 & 2124 parked up in AG in a row looking very out of place. Just the BX59 on the Scania looks weird. Short of buses, short of drivers and now short of engineers here. And then there's me thinking of transferring to another garage (BC or YW).
If you were ever to transfer a garage. YW would probably be the best.
Quote from: MW on October 27, 2015, 09:02:15 PM
1913, 4369 & 2124 parked up in AG in a row looking very out of place. Just the BX59 on the Scania looks weird. Short of buses, short of drivers and now short of engineers here. And then there's me thinking of transferring to another garage (BC or YW).
Any particular reason why you would be considering transferring garages so soon? Fed up with going round in circles?
Quote from: Mike K on October 27, 2015, 10:15:43 PM
Any particular reason why you would be considering transferring garages so soon? Fed up with going round in circles?
Lmao you got it in one. Plus I wanna experience driving other vehicles I suppose. Not sure on whether I'll be outta here yet, if I can get off the Outer Circle spares rota (the crap duties that nobody else want on the worst route) then yeah lol.
How come 4369 is at AG?
Quote from: MW on October 27, 2015, 10:17:33 PM
if I can get off the Outer Circle spares rota (the crap duties that nobody else want on the worst route) then yeah lol.
Forgive me for asking, but what makes a "crap duty"? I'm guessing it's just poor start/finish times, just curious really.
Quote from: AV4248 on October 28, 2015, 09:07:39 AM
Forgive me for asking, but what makes a "crap duty"? I'm guessing it's just poor start/finish times, just curious really.
Here's a crap duty 06.25 book 87/01 till 1043 then city bound 83/05 1409 relief till 1759
A good duty 1412 book on 83/08 blackheath bound 1442 relief till 1946
Sorry, but what does relief till 1759 or relief till 1946 mean? Do you mean you work the 83 till 1759?
Quote from: Stevo on October 28, 2015, 08:06:13 PM
Sorry, but what does relief till 1759 or relief till 1946 mean? Do you mean you work the 83 till 1759?
On the crap duty he takes over the bus at 14:09, on the good duty he takes over from the other driver at 14:42.
As someones mentioned already, word in garage confirms the rumour that the 73 is moving to BC. Obviously it's a rumour still.
Quote from: Nathan on October 28, 2015, 10:19:30 PM
On the crap duty he takes over the bus at 14:09, on the good duty he takes over from the other driver at 14:42.
I see - thanks.
Quote from: MW on October 29, 2015, 12:50:13 AM
As someones mentioned already, word in garage confirms the rumour that the 73 is moving to BC. Obviously it's a rumour still.
It's not a rumour, it's posted up in BC garage, even the dutys are up. The 70 and 73 will be on one rota.
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on October 29, 2015, 11:58:52 AM
It's not a rumour, it's posted up in BC garage, even the dutys are up. The 70 and 73 will be on one rota.
I have heard the 70 and 73 will interworck?
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on October 29, 2015, 11:58:52 AM
It's not a rumour, it's posted up in BC garage, even the dutys are up. The 70 and 73 will be on one rota.
Does BC have much spare garage capacity?
Might the transfer of the 73 be anything to do with AG being short of drivers?
Quote from: 2206 on October 29, 2015, 12:02:37 PM
I have heard the 70 and 73 will interworck?
Not sure about that, just know the 70 will only go as far as Chelmesley Wood.
Quote from: Winston on October 29, 2015, 12:08:07 PM
Does BC have much spare garage capacity?
Might the transfer of the 73 be anything to do with AG being short of drivers?
The 70 between Solihull and Chelmsley Wood is being withdrawn
@Winston 70 ( City to Chelmsey Wood ), 56 and 73 will all be on the Coleshill rota
Quote from: Winston on October 29, 2015, 12:08:07 PM
Does BC have much spare garage capacity?
Might the transfer of the 73 be anything to do with AG being short of drivers?
I don't think the 73 would require too many buses, BC are also short of drivers, maybe not so much as AG though.
Could the 73 be going single deck then, there's been a few singles on there lately? Also if the 70 is withdrawn between Solihull & Chelmsley, will the 72 be going back to an over all 20 min frequency, up to the current 15 min frequency?
two crimson geminis out today, 4527 on the 5, 4529 on the 31
4533 has been parked in the same spot in garage for a couple days. Expect it'll be the next one to hit the road.
Quote from: MW on October 29, 2015, 06:50:13 PM
4533 has been parked in the same spot in garage for a couple days. Expect it'll be the next one to hit the road.
Why has it been in the same spot for a few days,
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on October 29, 2015, 12:41:54 PM
Could the 73 be going single deck then, there's been a few singles on there lately? Also if the 70 is withdrawn between Solihull & Chelmsley, will the 72 be going back to an over all 20 min frequency, up to the current 15 min frequency?
I'd imagine the 73 would be Tridents (especially if it interworked with the 70?)
Quote from: Nathan on October 29, 2015, 06:59:56 PM
I'd imagine the 73 would be Tridents (especially if it interworked with the 70?)
But BC will need extra buses for the 73, which will probably be AGs remaining 21xx single deckers
Quote from: Bham Central Driver on October 29, 2015, 07:36:30 PM
But BC will need extra buses for the 73, which will probably be AGs remaining 21xx single deckers
AG doesn't have anymore 21xx single deckers
Quote from: Tony on October 29, 2015, 02:42:32 PM
two crimson geminis out today, 4527 on the 5, 4529 on the 31
Thanks for reminding me, followed 4527 on the 5 this morning through Sparkbrook while I was on the 37, looks very smart, though the new moquette looks a bit weird on the blue plastic seats!
Quote from: Winston on October 29, 2015, 07:38:41 PM
AG doesn't have anymore 21xx single deckers
Oh cheers Winston, didnt know that.
I reckon we'll lose a few Presidents, possibly to WA and then Tridents to BC? Something along those lines I reckon.
Quote from: MW on October 29, 2015, 08:31:57 PM
I reckon we'll lose a few Presidents, possibly to WA and then Tridents to BC? Something along those lines I reckon.
The 70 is being withdrawn between Solihull and Chelmsley Wood so the Tridents on there could go onto the 73
I doubt BC will need many extra buses?
Quote from: 2206 on October 29, 2015, 08:35:09 PM
The 70 is being withdrawn between Solihull and Chelmsley Wood so the Tridents on there could go onto the 73
I doubt BC will need many extra buses?
It needs two extras, And I have an evil plan for that
Quote from: Tony on October 29, 2015, 08:55:39 PM
It needs two extras, And I have an evil plan for that
Could WN lose 2112 to PE and 2113/4 to BC? Who's got 2115? BC or WN?
Quote from: MW on October 29, 2015, 08:58:50 PM
Could WN lose 2112 to PE and 2113/4 to BC? Who's got 2115? BC or WN?
2115 is at BC
Quote from: Tony on October 29, 2015, 08:55:39 PM
It needs two extras, And I have an evil plan for that
Dr Evil and his supa computer.....
Just thinking out aloud regarding the Crimson Geminis at AG. Could/Will anymore be done anytime soon. I'm thinking 4519-4534 (including 4520) to cover both the 5 & 31? Or are they just for the 5?
Quote from: Dom on October 29, 2015, 09:24:42 PM
Oh a deleted comment I wonder what that will proceed.... ;) ;)
Lmao that's what I thought. The only two outstanding buses I can think of at any garage are 4504/5, although I still suspect x2 Tridents from WA.
Edit: Come on man, what happened to free speech. Censoring the forum lol.
Edit again: 4438/39 maybe? Wow I'm really anxious to know lol
Another Crimson Gemini seems to have arrived at AG. I assume it's 4534, as it was on the other side of the garage and I didn't check the fleet number/reg. Just 4528/30/31/32 left then.
Quote from: MW on October 30, 2015, 08:55:52 PM
Another Crimson Gemini seems to have arrived at AG. I assume it's 4534, as it was on the other side of the garage and I didn't check the fleet number/reg. Just 4528/30/31/32 left then.
Well 4531 is now repainted so that will be your next one
Quote from: MW on October 30, 2015, 08:55:52 PM
Another Crimson Gemini seems to have arrived at AG. I assume it's 4534, as it was on the other side of the garage and I didn't check the fleet number/reg. Just 4528/30/31/32 left then.
Its 4531
1940 left AG around 30 mins ago. Seen heading up Warwick Road towards City. Possibly heading for WB?
Quote from: MW on November 01, 2015, 01:08:43 AM
1940 left AG around 30 mins ago. Seen heading up Warwick Road towards City. Possibly heading for WB?
Nope, in garage this morning.
For those not on Facebook, 4672 has had branding for the Outer Circle applied.
Quote from: Nathan on November 01, 2015, 03:28:59 PM
For those not on Facebook, 4672 has had branding for the Outer Circle applied.
I really wanna see that, probably not as good as the circle applied to the 11 many years ago.
Quote from: Ronnoc on November 01, 2015, 03:35:50 PM
I really wanna see that, probably not as good as the circle applied to the 11 many years ago.
Quote from: John on November 01, 2015, 03:35:29 PM
For those who have not seen it, here is the new Outer Circle branding (Not my picture)
https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11230654_10206683143210066_8801426083335555024_n.jpg?oh=592705c815f0eac4e30b25ea2a063f69&oe=56C783B1
Have to say that looks slightly confusing!
WOW!! I like that!
@Stuharris 6360 Can I ask why you think that?
Really awesome, but not many key places shown, like Erdington and Acocks Green village.
Of all the places served that they could have chosen to list, Dudley Road and Fox and Goose aren't two I would have imagined. There's a distinct lack of North Birmingham places (Perry Barr, Erdington for instance). Unless there are different places served on other buses, or on the nearside?
Also, being picky, the arrows go in a clockwise direction but the list of places served is in the anti-clockwise order.
Not one of the nicer colours of branding, suspect it would work a lot better on darker crimson liveried buses.
@Dom, the branding doesn't reflect that it is a circular service that goes in each direction. If a stranger saw the branding, they would assume that it just goes in one direction!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 01, 2015, 04:08:25 PM
@Dom, the branding doesn't reflect that it is a circular service that goes in each direction. If a stranger saw the branding, they would assume that it just goes in one direction!
Fair play, I kind of agree, if it was similar to the old branding it would be better.
Quote from: Ronnoc on November 01, 2015, 04:03:50 PM
Really awesome, but not many key places shown, like Erdington and Acocks Green village.
Might sound stupid but it could be on the other side
Oh man, I was looking forward to posting this lol.
4670 is also branded, with different places listed. I say it's branded, it's literally being done as I comment. Most of it's done though.
I hope 4672 actually stays on the 11 though. It's one of the few Geminis that you can only press the bell once, and it doesn't ring again until the doors are open. Like the O405Ns basically.
Quote from: John on November 01, 2015, 03:39:56 PM
I have to say the branding in my opinion looks very unimpressive, for what was, and still is an important route.
Mike K mentioned the lack of Perry Barr and Erdington. I would also add Acocks Green as did Ronnoc.
As someone who lives on the route, where is 'Fox & Goose'? Dudley Road is also very vague.
Overall, not good for intending passengers new to the area.
Quote from: MW on November 01, 2015, 04:17:11 PM
Oh man, I was looking forward to posting this lol.
4670 is also branded, with different places listed. I say it's branded, it's literally being done as I comment. Most of it's done though.
I hope 4672 actually stays on the 11 though. It's one of the few Geminis that you can only press the bell once, and it doesn't ring again until the doors are open. Like the O405Ns basically.
Sorry to sound a bit rude here but, it is branded for it so most likely to be on there :)
Quote from: Bryan on November 01, 2015, 04:25:07 PM
I have to say the branding in my opinion looks very unimpressive, for what was, and still is an important route.
Mike K mentioned the lack of Perry Barr and Erdington. I would also add Acocks Green as did Ronnoc.
As someone who lives on the route, where is 'Fox & Goose'? Dudley Road is also very vague.
Overall, not good for intending passengers new to the area.
I agree. Something like this would have been a lot better!
(https://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/TWM4636.071025.jpg)
Looks like a bus with some stickers on.
Quote from: Dom on November 01, 2015, 04:28:04 PM
Sorry to sound a bit rude here but, it is branded for it so most likely to be on there :)
Look at everything else (Crimson Geminis/branded MMCS) at AG and then reply back. Like I said, I hope it stays on the 11!
Quote from: MW on November 01, 2015, 04:29:43 PM
Look at everything else (Crimson Geminis/branded MMCS) at AG and then reply back. Like I said, I hope it stays on the 11!
Fair do
I think the branding looks ok, it is a bit vague. Don't even come close to this
Quote from: MW on November 01, 2015, 04:28:26 PM
I agree. Something like this would have been a lot better!
(https://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/TWM4636.071025.jpg)
Even the smaller branding on the original 11 still had most of the key areas for the 11 which was still a lot better than the new branding, I guess it will be tweeked at some point to look better. I guess that's the difference between TWM & NXWM branding, although they did had a green branding for the 11 at 1 point if I remember correctly but not with as much info at all only frequency. I could be wrong tho
Quote from: Squiz1971 on November 01, 2015, 05:44:24 PM
Even the smaller branding on the original 11 still had most of the key areas for the 11 which was still a lot better than the new branding, I guess it will be tweeked at some point to look better. I guess that's the difference between TWM & NXWM branding, although they did had a green branding for the 11 at 1 point if I remember correctly but not with as much info at all only frequency. I could be wrong tho
That 2010 one had most of the rear covered up with the frequency and key destinations. Roundels on the windows, stickers in the usual locations also which I remember were also received negatively.
Rear of the bus looks covered maybe that has a circular diagram like the old branding?
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on November 01, 2015, 05:48:34 PM
That 2010 one had most of the rear covered up with the frequency and key destinations. Roundels on the windows, stickers in the usual locations also which I remember were also received negatively.
Ah right I C
@Ashley 60171 I vaguely remember the branding but a lot of the routes gained that basic style of branding for a time. Maybe the rear of the branded buses will each have the full route destinations applied to them
I'm just saying...
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=3636.0
Love it or hate it, I like it. Not too sure about yellow, though. Gold? Well, that's debatable. As
@MW confirmed, it is part of "
branding variation" - not sure if that's the correct term, or just my own - but i'll define it by saying, all buses branded for the same route, with different information on others/each one.
Agreed, not as good as the TWM one. All in all, this one stands out to me more than some others - it's a shame the branding is not applied to after crimson treatment - though, with Presidents still about on the circle, it may be best to keep the route in a consistent livery. (I would expect them to be repainted in the coming months/years - with revised branding.)
The branding suits the Geminis although I would have thought they'd apply it on the crimson buses. As for the branding itself, I prefer the older circular designs, I would have liked them to differentiate between the 11A/C (If that's understandable)
Quote from: MW on November 01, 2015, 09:53:27 AM
Nope, in garage this morning.
Passed the garage on my way home this evening, and I could see an OmniLink parked up in the front row among the Geminis in the front yard (behind the gate?).
@MW are these the first buses to go out in the morning?
Quote from: Mike K on October 27, 2015, 10:15:43 PM
Any particular reason why you would be considering transferring garages so soon? Fed up with going round in circles?
Hahahaha
Quote from: Stu on November 01, 2015, 07:39:32 PM
Passed the garage on my way home this evening, and I could see an OmniLink parked up in the front row among the Geminis in the front yard (behind the gate?). @MW are these the first buses to go out in the morning?
I was by the garage earlier myself (9ish) and I saw an MMC and a Gemini parked at the front leaving after a driver boarded and left with them
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on November 01, 2015, 07:53:32 PM
I was by the garage earlier myself (9ish) and I saw an MMC and a Gemini parked at the front leaving after a driver boarded and left with them
You reckon the fog this morning was a "decoy" so NX could hide the new branding?? Haha! :P #conspiracy
Quote from: clayderman on November 01, 2015, 08:00:37 PM
You reckon the fog this morning was a "decoy" so NX could hide the new branding?? Haha! :P #conspiracy
It was ! I couldn't get a decent shot on my camera !
The grey branding looked ok I thought, wasn't very eye catching but it looked smart. Just think this will be the 4th 11 branding for the geminis!
-TWM
-NX grey
-NX Green
-NX Yellow!
This isn't as good as the green branding.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 01, 2015, 08:46:05 PM
This isn't as good as the green branding.
Suppose some people would say any branding is better than none, have to say IMO in this case no branding would be better!
Quote from: Stu on November 01, 2015, 07:39:32 PM
Passed the garage on my way home this evening, and I could see an OmniLink parked up in the front row among the Geminis in the front yard (behind the gate?). @MW are these the first buses to go out in the morning?
Yeah. The Omnilink is usually parked inside by the fuel pumps and used as the Staff bus.
I quite like the 11 branding actually - fine, Crimsons on the 11 would look far better, however this will do fine. Nice now to see the AG Geminis looking smart and refurbished in comparison to their previous tatty state.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on November 01, 2015, 07:53:32 PM
I was by the garage earlier myself (9ish) and I saw an MMC and a Gemini parked at the front leaving after a driver boarded and left with them
I saw 6145 driving along Westley Road towards the village around 11:40am yesterday morning, had 'Driver Training' on the front display.
Three Crimson Geminis (4527/9/33) on the 5 today
4672 route branded for the 11A/C looks well nice
4668 (I think it was this one) is also branded on the 11C. They've got brabding at the back upper window in yellow, and green in lower window.
Quote from: MW on November 02, 2015, 01:40:19 PM
4668 (I think it was this one) is also branded on the 11C. They've got brabding at the back upper window in yellow, and green in lower window.
Yep, just seen this one. Looks like it's advertising the family daysaver on the bottom rear window.
From observations over the last week or so, it looks like the allocations have sorted themselves out now, I've only really seen 37-branded E200s on the 37, yesterday there were two unbranded E200s on the 1E, and this morning there were unbranded/price-branded E200s on both the 1 and the 11E. (Then a 37-branded E200 appeared on the 1E!)
Oh, and in case anyone was wondering, 1940 was out on the 37 this morning, so would have been an early-starter based on where I saw it parked last night. (It was doing the journey that I normally find is a Gemini, the 8:13 from Acocks Green to city)
Quote from: Stu on November 02, 2015, 06:57:36 PM
From observations over the last week or so, it looks like the allocations have sorted themselves out now, I've only really seen 37-branded E200s on the 37, yesterday there were two unbranded E200s on the 1E, and this morning there were unbranded/price-branded E200s on both the 1 and the 11E. (Then a 37-branded E200 appeared on the 1E!)
Oh, and in case anyone was wondering, 1940 was out on the 37 this morning, so would have been an early-starter based on where I saw it parked last night. (It was doing the journey that I normally find is a Gemini, the 8:13 from Acocks Green to city)
Apparently the management have been tackling the "branding" issue, and basically told the engineers to sort the allocations out.
Last week, a 37 branded MMC was about to go on the 1, but 1940 replaced it before it left the garage.
Saw 4529 today on the 5. Found it hard to tell it was repainted from the front, the whole repainted looks pretty good. Definitely doesn't have a rear dot matrix, where it should be is completely empty
4670 has been named 'Judy'
2203 is on the 1
Not to forget "Hit the Baby,hit the baby"
Couldn't find the repaint thread but 4534 is ready
1909 currently at AG. 4518 & 4678 now branded for the Circle. 4518 seems to have lost its cooling fan issue. Passed me 3 times on the other side of the road sounding normal.
Quote from: MW on November 05, 2015, 08:56:03 PM
1909 currently at AG. 4518 & 4678 now branded for the Circle. 4518 seems to have lost its cooling fan issue. Passed me 3 times on the other side of the road sounding normal.
:o. That's the most surprising thing I've heard all week, I don't think I've ever heard 4518 without the cooling fan going off
Quote from: MW on November 05, 2015, 08:56:03 PM
1909 currently at AG. 4518 & 4678 now branded for the Circle. 4518 seems to have lost its cooling fan issue. Passed me 3 times on the other side of the road sounding normal.
I was surprised to see 4518 branded. I passed it at Six Ways around half 7 tonight. The dot matrix display drew me to notice it.
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 05, 2015, 09:13:59 PM
:o. That's the most surprising thing I've heard all week, I don't think I've ever heard 4518 without the cooling fan going off
When the cooling fan issue was ongoing, it would go off after a bit, when going down hill, and leaving it revving at approx 2000rpm, and letting go of the accelerator. It would stay off for about 30 seconds after a stop.
Quote from: MW on November 05, 2015, 09:22:14 PM
When the cooling fan issue was ongoing, it would go off after a bit, when going down hill, and leaving it revving at approx 2000rpm, and letting go of the accelerator. It would stay off for about 30 seconds after a stop.
You'll be pleased to know that 4534 has a constant cooling fan then :)
2248 is on the 1
Quote from: 2206 on November 06, 2015, 04:40:36 PM
2248 is on the 1
There are several on the 1 each day, they don't need individual reporting
Quote from: James4368 on November 06, 2015, 09:25:55 AM
2250 - AG1 (Usually Presidents)
@James4368 , as Tony stated in previous reply, E200s are not noteworthy on the 1.
Just seen an interesting email on another group, which contains an email from The Driver & Vehicle Standards Agency saying that Enviro 200 MMCs have been recalled due to a fault which could cause brake failure for vehicles built between March & August.
Do we know if AGs E200 MMCs are affected?
https://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/apps/recalls/searches/search.asp
AG's E200 MMCs were almost the only ones built during those months so surely must be affected. I can't find a recall on that site but just in case I think I'll get the train to town!
1 Search Results - Page 1 of 1
Criteria : (ALEXANDER ENVIRO) for the date range 01/Jan/2015 to 01/Nov/2015
Information : Click on the recalls number to expand the detail and hover over the concern for a quick insight into the defect
Please note that certain recalls have the same reference number, but relate to different models/variants of the same manufacturer/vehicle.
# Launch Date Recalls Number Make Model(s) Concern VIN Start VIN End Build Start Build End
1 09/10/2015 R/2015/195 ALEXANDER Enviro 200 MMC brake failure could occur SFDDMABR8FGY14956 SFDDMABR8FGYA5157 25/03/2015 25/08/2015
[ 1 ]
Crimson 4644 was out on the 966 today
Quote from: Stevo on November 06, 2015, 10:21:33 PM
AG's E200 MMCs were almost the only ones built during those months so surely must be affected. I can't find a recall on that site but just in case I think I'll get the train to town!
The key word here is 'could', nothing to get too worked up about yet. Other vehicles have had recall notices previously (mostly passenger cars) but these are usually for a precautionary reason.
Quote from: Stu on November 07, 2015, 08:20:20 PM
The key word here is 'could', nothing to get too worked up about yet. Other vehicles have had recall notices previously (mostly passenger cars) but these are usually for a precautionary reason.
SFDDMABR8FGY14956 = 2201
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 07, 2015, 08:22:28 PM
SFDDMABR8FGY14956 = 2201
So? As I said, the wording for the recall is 'could cause brake failure', with the key word being 'could'. "Could" is not the same as "most definitely will". And doesn't mean we are all riding around on death-traps. Vauxhall have issued a recall on Zafiras built since 2005 because of recent fires, doesn't mean every single one is going to explode into flames!
Quote from: Stu on November 07, 2015, 08:30:10 PM
So? As I said, the wording for the recall is 'could cause brake failure', with the key word being 'could'. "Could" is not the same as "most definitely will". And doesn't mean we are all riding around on death-traps. Vauxhall have issued a recall on Zafiras built since 2005 because of recent fires, doesn't mean every single one is going to explode into flames!
That's true, but with a braking fault it needs to be treated carefully.
Details of fault:
Right hand rear brake actuator may contact axle casing when brake pads wear and calliper/actuator assembly move inboard. Actuator band clamp bolt may fracture, resulting in separating of actuator service portion from main actuator body. If the concern occurs the stopping distance for the vehicle will increase.
Remedial Action
Recall the vehicles that are likely to be affected and reposition the clamp band to ensure no risk of a foul condition remains. The clamp bolt will be examined for signs of contact and replaced if witness marks present.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 07, 2015, 08:39:45 PM
That's true, but with a braking fault it needs to be treated carefully.
Details of fault:
Right hand rear brake actuator may contact axle casing when brake pads wear and calliper/actuator assembly move inboard. Actuator band clamp bolt may fracture, resulting in separating of actuator service portion from main actuator body. If the concern occurs the stopping distance for the vehicle will increase.
Remedial Action
Recall the vehicles that are likely to be affected and reposition the clamp band to ensure no risk of a foul condition remains. The clamp bolt will be examined for signs of contact and replaced if witness marks present.
Definitely something wrong with them as Tony has not posted anything defending nx. Typical Adl crap
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 07, 2015, 08:42:55 PM
Definitely something wrong with them as Tony has not posted anything defending nx. Typical Adl crap
Tony may not be able to post anything about it, presumably NE thought nobody would hear about it. I only found out through London Bus Group!
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 07, 2015, 08:42:55 PM
Definitely something wrong with them as Tony has not posted anything defending nx. Typical Adl crap
You really don't get how things work do you?
I haven't posted anything at all today because I have had other things to do.
People see things like this and automatically think a recall means all vehicles have got to go back to the manufacturer. It means nothing of the sort, all it means is a modification is needed which can be done anytime anywhere, and if it needed doing it will have been done.
Looking on Facebook earlier looks like there's gonna be 200MMCs on rail replacement for the first tome
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2015, 09:42:41 PM
You really don't get how things work do you?
I haven't posted anything at all today because I have had other things to do.
People see things like this and automatically think a recall means all vehicles have got to go back to the manufacturer. It means nothing of the sort, all it means is a modification is needed which can be done anytime anywhere, and if it needed doing it will have been done.
Presumably would be dealt with as part of the maintenance schedule by a dealer or the manufacturers staff at the customer's facilities at no cost to the customer. Makes you wonder why the brake design is that different from the 400 MMC though. A braking fault of that type or the fire issue with certain GM vehicles could be safety critical and thus far more urgent than say the current recalls of VW cars for software changes (they're giving apology letters and free replacement vehicle of the same type whilst the work is carried out also).
Quote from: don on November 07, 2015, 11:22:55 PM
Presumably would be dealt with as part of the maintenance schedule by a dealer or the manufacturers staff at the customer's facilities at no cost to the customer. Makes you wonder why the brake design is that different from the 400 MMC though. A braking fault of that type or the fire issue with certain GM vehicles could be safety critical and thus far more urgent than say the current recalls of VW cars for software changes (they're giving apology letters and free replacement vehicle of the same type whilst the work is carried out also).
ADL staff were in garage today, and probably will be every day until the problem has been repaired. There was plenty of MMCs in garage today, and will be tomorrow, so no doubt they'll get the chance to do it as they go.
It sounds like a partial brake failure at the worst, and one that may well have been spotted at a regular inspection before anything fractured.
2245 at Livery Street
About to operate Snow Hill - Dorridge rail replacement
2244 is also out
Quote from: James4368 on November 08, 2015, 10:48:56 AM
2245 at Livery Street
About to operate Snow Hill - Dorridge rail replacement
2244 is also out
Saw an E200 at Moor Street this afternoon. The destination boards were scrolling the stations it was serving. That's something I've never seen before
Quote from: Kevin on November 08, 2015, 02:57:54 PM
Saw an E200 at Moor Street this afternoon. The destination boards were scrolling the stations it was serving. That's something I've never seen before
Yeah, saw one earlier, with scrolling side displays. Is the rail replacement running all day? It's just that on the Network West Midlands and London Midlands website it's showing 'Good Service' for the Snow Hill line.
Quote from: Stu on November 08, 2015, 04:08:30 PM
Yeah, saw one earlier, with scrolling side displays. Is the rail replacement running all day? It's just that on the Network West Midlands and London Midlands website it's showing 'Good Service' for the Snow Hill line.
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/today.aspx
says on there all day
because Engineering work is taking place between Banbury and Tyseley
@Stu
4507/4508/4676 now branded for the Circle.
Quote from: MW on November 09, 2015, 03:30:18 PM
4507/4508/4676 now branded for the Circle.
4509 is now also branded
4508 - did a 11E to the Fox And Goose on the 11A side and is currently running Out Of Service to start the 1
4509 - was on a 11A at The Fox And Goose about 15 minutes ago
4508 and 4509 are both named
Looks like 4509s name is Amy - Lou
4510 & 4511 being branded for Circle as I type. 4531 & 4534 also parked in garage.
Any pics about yet, not seen this Circle branding yet.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 10, 2015, 03:12:18 PM
Any pics about yet, not seen this Circle branding yet.
Check back in this thread to reply 1613 by John & click on the link
@monkeyjoe
Looks like 2207 has give up the ghost in Solihull
Thank you. I have also seen the comments I agree with a lot of them. I mean titles like "Fox & Goose" great for locals but ermmm...
Who ever designed the 11 icon, without being disrespectful; was it a school competition? I'll read up on it later, cheers.
4511 is now 11A and 11C branded
currently out on the 11A
running board 11A/73
At the Fox And Goose at about - 15:50
should be around Aston/Witton now
(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs18.postimg.org%2F3mhdm9k94%2FIMG_2587.jpg&hash=e660d9458100721db7c0b4eeec5eb0c22b55285c)
Just for
@monkeyjoe Took a photo of my bus. 4510 it was.
Is AG really overcrowded with them losing the 73 and the rumours of the 966 and some 11s??? Maybe they might gain more ex Lea hall routes and bring some up grades lol
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 11, 2015, 12:23:29 AM
Is AG really overcrowded with them losing the 73 and the rumours of the 966 and some 11s??? Maybe they might gain more ex Lea hall routes and bring some up grades lol
I bet the 11 and 966 rumours aren't true.
I think it's more due to a shortage of drivers though at AG. But think about it, we're losing the 73 but extra journeys on the 72. I think it's two buses we're losing, and BC is gaining 4608/9 from WN.
Quote from: MW on November 11, 2015, 12:31:50 AM
I bet the 11 and 966 rumours aren't true.
I think it's more due to a shortage of drivers though at AG. But think about it, we're losing the 73 but extra journeys on the 72. I think it's two buses we're losing, and BC is gaining 4608/9 from WN.
The 71 is being reduced to every 20 minutes as well from the 15th
@MW
Quote from: 2206 on November 11, 2015, 12:35:53 AM
The 71 is being reduced to every 20 minutes as well from the 15th @MW
Yeah but the 72 is increased from 4 buses per hour to 6 per hour.
Quote from: MW on November 11, 2015, 12:44:13 AM
Yeah but the 72 is increased from 4 buses per hour to 6 per hour.
The 72 will be -
3 buses per hour between the City Centre and Chelmsley Wood - reduced to every 20 minutes ( Buckland End - City )
6 buses per hour between Chelmsley Wood and Solihull - increased frequency to replace the 70 which will be withdrawn between that section
the 72 currently is -
4 betweeen Buckland End and the City Centre
and 2 buses per hour between Buckland End and Solihull
I don't know what to say other than, maybe the loadings aren't worth the increased frequency?
Quote from: MW on November 11, 2015, 12:57:11 AM
I don't know what to say other than, maybe the loadings aren't worth the increased frequency?
Will there be enough buses to cover the 71 and 72?
Can't see that it's been mentioned already, but 11 branded Geminis have started to receive names. Noted today was 4507 Mandy Louise.
Quote from: Gareth on November 11, 2015, 01:02:32 PM
Can't see that it's been mentioned already, but 11 branded Geminis have started to receive names. Noted today was 4507 Mandy Louise.
Reply 1686 did mention a couple of names in that batch....
Quote from: Gareth on November 11, 2015, 01:02:32 PM
Can't see that it's been mentioned already, but 11 branded Geminis have started to receive names. Noted today was 4507 Mandy Louise.
I just handed 4507 to the next driver, so you probably saw me
Quote from: Gareth on November 11, 2015, 01:02:32 PM
Can't see that it's been mentioned already, but 11 branded Geminis have started to receive names. Noted today was 4507 Mandy Louise.
Quote from: 2206 on November 09, 2015, 04:21:02 PM
4509 is now also branded
4508 - did a 11E to the Fox And Goose on the 11A side and is currently running Out Of Service to start the 1
4509 - was on a 11A at The Fox And Goose about 15 minutes ago
4508 and 4509 are both named
Looks like 4509s name is Amy - Lou
@Gareth 4510 is also named
4672 is out on the 11 branded but unnamed is it only the 45** that are getting them?
Possibly way wide of the mark, but it wasn't by any chance
@MW driving 4031 not in service through the city centre tunnels and down Bristol Road towards Selly Oak tonight was it? It still had 11E on the display, and was being given a good workout.
Quote from: Mike K on November 11, 2015, 07:21:12 PM
Possibly way wide of the mark, but it wasn't by any chance @MW driving 4031 not in service through the city centre tunnels and down Bristol Road towards Selly Oak tonight was it? It still had 11E on the display, and was being given a good workout.
Most likely. He did that on Highgate road a few weeks ago lol.
Nah lol, not me. All Geminis for me today.
Also, this 11 rumour to PB may be true. Word is, a meeting took place yesterday regarding it. And today, a bunch of managers took a Gemini on the 11C route. It was NIS. Apparently we're losing the 11C to PB. It was also mentioned by a few staff at AG. Interesting. I wonder if it'll happen, and if we'll gain something, or just downsized!
Edit: Also it is a shame the C is going, if it does of course. I much prefer it to the A.
Let's watch this space then MW
Quote from: MW on November 11, 2015, 09:25:51 PM
Nah lol, not me. All Geminis for me today.
Also, this 11 rumour to PB may be true. Word is, a meeting took place yesterday regarding it. And today, a bunch of managers took a Gemini on the 11C route. It was NIS. Apparently we're losing the 11C to PB. It was also mentioned by a few staff at AG. Interesting. I wonder if it'll happen, and if we'll gain something, or just downsized!
Edit: Also it is a shame the C is going, if it does of course. I much prefer it to the A.
I really don't think we have the space to gain the 11C (is it around 20 buses?), unless we lose a route elsewhere. It would be nice to get it though. Always fancied driving the Outer Circle. Maybe we might just get a few boards of the 11C as per the other rumour
Quote from: John on November 11, 2015, 09:52:04 PM
I really don't think we have the space to gain the 11C (is it around 20 buses?), unless we lose a route elsewhere. It would be nice to get it though. Always fancied driving the Outer Circle. Maybe we might just get a few boards of the 11C as per the other rumour
If it does turn out to be only a few boards, I wonder if AG would gain anything. Maybe the 76 from YW? Who knows?
Edit: It's 44 buses in total, so roughly half it yeah.
If PB did get trips on the Outer Circle again, it would add variey! Crimson 09 plate E400's on the circle. Strange thought!
Quote from: Nathan on November 11, 2015, 09:56:20 PM
If PB did get trips on the Outer Circle again, it would add variey! Crimson 09 plate E400's on the circle. Strange thought!
To be honest I'd find it strange seeing an '03 Gemini on the 11
Maybe PB will lose the 94 to BC when BC off loads routes to PN.
I imagine if PB did the gain the 11C , the 94 would loose the Gems back to the tat of before.
However I look on the NXWM page and "What this space" to see if my local route gains any improvements.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/new-bus-update
Posted already i know.
4513 is now 11A and 11C branded
out on running board 31/08
did a 11E to Yardley Yew Tree
now doing the 16:00 31 from Solihull
PB are only going to be getting six 11C Running Boards.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 12, 2015, 04:43:23 PM
PB are only going to be getting six 11C Running Boards.
Thats similar to how the 50 went from BC, a few boards to YW, then half, then the whole lot!
4533 seems to have ventured out on the 5. Currently broken down on Carrs Lane. I turned up on my last trip on the 5, into Carrs Lane. Everyone rushed to my bus, but to their disappointment, the display then changed to Not in Service :) Lol
Quote from: 2206 on November 12, 2015, 04:12:38 PM
4513 is now 11A and 11C branded
out on running board 31/08
did a 11E to Yardley Yew Tree
now doing the 16:00 31 from Solihull
I'm quite annoyed that they're branding the 45xx's now instead of the 46xx's. I'm not really a fan of them. Like 4514 I had today, absolute heap of a Gemini. Not as bad as 4639, but close. I'm sure the last time I drove it, it was quite decent tbh, but that was a good few months ago.
46xx's are much better!
Quote from: MW on November 12, 2015, 08:26:43 PM
4533 seems to have ventured out on the 5. Currently broken down on Carrs Lane. I turned up on my last trip on the 5, into Carrs Lane. Everyone rushed to my bus, but to their disappointment, the display then changed to Not in Service :) Lol
I love seeing people's faces when I change the blinds on the bus my mate drives to Not In Service when it pulls in and they think it's going to Stourbridge from Bridgnorth it's such a lovely feeling :D
Saw 4534 on the 37 today in Acocks Green at about 16:45 heading towards the City Centre
4512 is also now 11A and 11C branded seen in Acocks Green at about the same time out on the 11C
4533 was on there also this morning, it was a change bus for 4524 which was taken off for some reason. This was the journey I normally try to catch, the 08:13 departure from Acocks Green towards city, which usually is a Gemini.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 12, 2015, 04:43:23 PM
PB are only going to be getting six 11C Running Boards.
Yeah. You're right. It's six boards that start and end in Perry Barr. Basically saving dead mileage. I think they all finish at around the 6-8pm mark. It's not happening until early next year though apparently. I wonder if 4507-4512 will return to PB then?
Quote from: MW on November 13, 2015, 08:32:54 PM
Yeah. You're right. It's six boards that start and end in Perry Barr. Basically saving dead mileage. I think they all finish at around the 6-8pm mark. It's not happening until early next year though apparently. I wonder if 4507-4512 will return to PB then?
Most interesting, how will PB facilitate these boards (I.e will they be getting more buses ?!)
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on November 13, 2015, 08:46:38 PM
Most interesting, how will PB facilitate these boards (I.e will they be getting more buses ?!)
6 running boards = 6 buses (in my opinion). If they (PB) have enough spare capacity/buses, surely no extra buses will be required. From the sounds of it, these will just be peak time extras, and are just to help out with reducing dead mileage which to me makes sense, to have journeys terminating at Perry Barr which don't have to travel all the way across city to get back to Acocks Green.
Quote from: Stu on November 13, 2015, 09:01:35 PM
6 running boards = 6 buses (in my opinion). If they (PB) have enough spare capacity/buses, surely no extra buses will be required. From the sounds of it, these will just be peak time extras, and are just to help out with reducing dead mileage which to me makes sense, to have journeys terminating at Perry Barr which don't have to travel all the way across city to get back to Acocks Green.
It's six whole running boards, between around 5-7am till 6-8pm, so they'd need 6 more buses at least. But yeah, seems to be to reduce dead mileage.
I reckon it'll be 4507-12 if anything does leave. If not, we may gain something from another garage?
Quote from: MW on November 13, 2015, 09:07:19 PM
It's six whole running boards, between around 5-7am till 6-8pm, so they'd need 6 more buses at least. But yeah, seems to be to reduce dead mileage.
I reckon it'll be 4507-12 if anything does leave. If not, we may gain something from another garage?
Will more buses be required as with 6 boards going that means they'll have 6 extra buses in the garage ?! ... Unless something (Like a route) is coming over I think its safe to say AG have some good spare capacity especially with the 73 leaving as well
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on November 13, 2015, 09:11:37 PM
Will more buses be required as with 6 boards going that means they'll have 6 extra buses in the garage ?! ... Unless something (Like a route) is coming over I think its safe to say AG have some good spare capacity especially with the 73 leaving as well
It'll no doubt even itself out either way. If we don't lose any buses, we'll probably gain a route. If we don't get a route, we'll probably lose those Geminis, or maybe some Plaxtons to WA and some ALX400s to PB. It'll probably be along those lines.
Quote from: MW on November 13, 2015, 09:13:43 PM
It'll no doubt even itself out either way. If we don't lose any buses, we'll probably gain a route. If we don't get a route, we'll probably lose those Geminis, or maybe some Plaxtons to WA and some ALX400s to PB. It'll probably be along those lines.
Depends what other changes happen the same day!
Sundays changes leave AG needing the same number of buses so no changes there this weekend (1940 went to WB earlier in the week)
When I do the movements I have to look at the whole company not just individual changes
4082 on 966 today. Both buses on 73 are geminis
Quote from: MW on November 13, 2015, 09:07:19 PM
It's six whole running boards, between around 5-7am till 6-8pm, so they'd need 6 more buses at least. But yeah, seems to be to reduce dead mileage.
I reckon it'll be 4507-12 if anything does leave. If not, we may gain something from another garage?
I would like us to get some of the 467* Geminis back, just to be different. But I reckon that we might get 4507-12 as you said
@MW to keep the numbers tidy (or even a couple unbranded)
From various sources over the web, I gather that these are the current Outer Circle branded buses (please add or remove if I'm incorrect)
4507
4508
4509
4510
4511
4512
4513
4514
4518
4668
4670
4672
4676
4678
With today been Sunday, some more may be done today while parked in garage
Literally booking on now, and can see 4521 getting it applied.
I hope you don't get the 46xx's! Take the 45xx's :)
@MW any Idea when the 6 boards are leaving acocks green???
Quote from: Nxwm on November 15, 2015, 01:00:27 PM
@MW any Idea when the 6 boards are leaving acocks green???
It'll be early next year as far as I'm aware, so a while yet.
Quote from: MW on November 15, 2015, 12:52:29 PM
Literally booking on now, and can see 4521 getting it applied.
I hope you don't get the 46xx's! Take the 45xx's :)
4521 is now out on the 11C today
4515 being branded
Quote from: MW on November 17, 2015, 10:31:38 AM
4515 being branded
Now out on the 11A
think its been named Maninder Khuan?
at the Fox And Goose at about
15:50
4514 is not branded. Whoever said it was on here, wasn't telling the truth. Seen it today. No doubt it'll probably get branded soon, but not yet.
Quote from: MW on November 17, 2015, 04:46:52 PM
4514 is not branded. Whoever said it was on here, wasn't telling the truth. Seen it today. No doubt it'll probably get branded soon, but not yet.
@MW were dose it say its branded on here?
Quote from: 2206 on November 17, 2015, 05:23:27 PM
@MW were dose it say its branded on here?
It was you who reported it a couple days ago. No doubt you've deleted or edited your post as usual.
Quote from: MW on November 17, 2015, 08:53:24 PM
It was you who reported it a couple days ago. No doubt you've deleted or edited your post as usual.
?
I never said 4514 was branded not seen it for a couple of weeks
most recent ones I mentioned were 4512 and 4513
Quote from: 2206 on November 13, 2015, 05:34:24 PM
Saw 4534 on the 37 today in Acocks Green at about 16:45 heading towards the City Centre
4512 is also now 11A and 11C branded seen in Acocks Green at about the same time out on the 11C
Quote from: 2206 on November 12, 2015, 04:12:38 PM
4513 is now 11A and 11C branded
out on running board 31/08
did a 11E to Yardley Yew Tree
now doing the 16:00 31 from Solihull
Quote from: John on November 15, 2015, 12:42:09 PM
I would like us to get some of the 467* Geminis back, just to be different. But I reckon that we might get 4507-12 as you said @MW to keep the numbers tidy (or even a couple unbranded)
From various sources over the web, I gather that these are the current Outer Circle branded buses (please add or remove if I'm incorrect)
4507
4508
4509
4510
4511
4512
4513
4514
4518
4668
4670
4672
4676
4678
With today been Sunday, some more may be done today while parked in garage
@MW theres the post that stated 4514 had the branding but @John did say if any were wrong just say
Quote from: Chris on November 17, 2015, 10:21:16 PM
@MW theres the post that stated 4514 had the branding but @John did say if any were wrong just say
Yeah I know John said it then, but 2206 reported it a couple days ago, which is probably where John got it from and I've noticed he has a habit of deleting and editing posts. There's no harm in him just saying, "I got it wrong".
But hey, we'll leave it at that.
Quote from: MW on November 17, 2015, 10:25:23 PM
Yeah I know John said it then, but 2206 reported it a couple days ago, which is probably where John got it from and I've noticed he has a habit of deleting and editing posts. There's no harm in him just saying, "I got it wrong".
But hey, we'll leave it at that.
But as I said I never said 4514 was branded
@MW
Quote from: MW on November 17, 2015, 10:25:23 PM
Yeah I know John said it then, but 2206 reported it a couple days ago, which is probably where John got it from and I've noticed he has a habit of deleting and editing posts. There's no harm in him just saying, "I got it wrong".
But hey, we'll leave it at that.
indeed, back to AG, which route are the presidents mainly on now that more geminis are appearing on 11A/C
Quote from: Chris on November 17, 2015, 10:28:41 PM
indeed, back to AG, which route are the presidents mainly on now that more geminis are appearing on 11A/C
11A, 11C and 1
4670 was being towed out of garage earlier. Front offside damaged, been involved in an RTC. Maybe this one will come back in Crimson? It's an 11 branded one.
4517 and another 45xx being branded.
4516, 4517 and 4667 are now branded.
Quote from: MW on November 21, 2015, 02:10:00 PM
4516, 4517 and 4667 are now branded.
Are you aware of how many buses will be branded
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on November 21, 2015, 02:25:07 PM
Are you aware of how many buses will be branded
No.
4519 is also branded, I had it as a change bus today.
So that's 4507-4519, 4521, 4667, 4668, 4670, 4672, 4676 & 4678.
20 I make that, unless I've missed any out.
Quote from: MW on November 21, 2015, 08:22:46 PM
No.
4519 is also branded, I had it as a change bus today.
So that's 4507-4519, 4521, 4667, 4668, 4670, 4672, 4676 & 4678.
20 I make that, unless I've missed any out.
If I remember correctly it is 4507-24; 4660-79 that are being done
Quote from: Tony on November 21, 2015, 08:31:29 PM
If I remember correctly it is 4507-24; 4660-79 that are being done
Around 40 then, which is just under the PVR of the 11 if I am correct.
Quote from: Ronnoc on November 21, 2015, 09:10:49 PM
Around 40 then, which is just under the PVR of the 11 if I am correct.
37
if 4520 is becoming a trainer?
Quote from: Tony on November 21, 2015, 08:31:29 PM
If I remember correctly it is 4507-24; 4660-79 that are being done
I presume the rest will be Crimson'd then?
Quote from: MW on November 21, 2015, 09:44:07 PM
I presume the rest will be Crimson'd then?
I doubt it
some of the 465* were only done a repainted in red an white of months ago ( June )
don't think they would do them again?
If I'm honest I'm surprised they didn't start to crimsonise them prior to branding. Would prolong the life of the branding and make it fit in with the rest of the fleet
A nice rumour for you all.
An inspector reckons that apparently we're due to lose some more Plaxtons in January/February. He says it's due to new buses. Now when he says new, I don't know if he means new to AG or new to the company, and then cascades to AG. I suspect the latter. According to him, we're eventually being reduced to 3 Plaxtons to be used on the schools (885 etc). I find it unlikely that we'll only have 3, but yeah.
If it's not obvious already, I'm taking this as a rumour and a pinch of salt, but yeah.
Quote from: MW on November 21, 2015, 11:05:42 PM
A nice rumour for you all.
An inspector reckons that apparently we're due to lose some more Plaxtons in January/February. He says it's due to new buses. Now when he says new, I don't know if he means new to AG or new to the company, and then cascades to AG. I suspect the latter. According to him, we're eventually being reduced to 3 Plaxtons to be used on the schools (885 etc). I find it unlikely that we'll only have 3, but yeah.
If it's not obvious already, I'm taking this as a rumour and a pinch of salt, but yeah.
I'd be surprised if they were brand new with AG having only recently having over a third of it's fleet replaced with E200MMC's
Apparently Presidents are off to PN
Quote from: Dom on November 21, 2015, 11:11:13 PM
Apparently Presidents are off to PN
Yeah ok, we haven't heard that one before....
Quote from: MW on November 21, 2015, 11:05:42 PM
A nice rumour for you all.
An inspector reckons that apparently we're due to lose some more Plaxtons in January/February. He says it's due to new buses. Now when he says new, I don't know if he means new to AG or new to the company, and then cascades to AG. I suspect the latter. According to him, we're eventually being reduced to 3 Plaxtons to be used on the schools (885 etc). I find it unlikely that we'll only have 3, but yeah.
If it's not obvious already, I'm taking this as a rumour and a pinch of salt, but yeah.
That seems quite likely, I suspect AG will be the recipient of more Gemini cascades
Quote from: Winston on November 21, 2015, 11:09:51 PM
I'd be surprised if they were brand new with AG having only recently having over a third of it's fleet replaced with E200MMC's
Yeah I doubt that'd happen. There's nothing logical for them to be new for, seeing as the 5/31 are just being Crimson'd, and the 11 is being branded, and obviously the 37/71/72. The 1/966 aren't really likely to get new buses, so yeah. But what's more interesting is, what would we get? PB have 32 Geminis, and WB have 18. If not Gemini, we'd gain a new vehicle type, which'd be exciting. I think most likely, we'll have more than 3 left though. Enough to cover the 1/966. Even still, compared to the 36 presently, only around 15, if that, would be needed for the 1/966. So 21 needing replacing.
Interesting though none the less.
Quote from: MW on November 21, 2015, 11:17:19 PM
Yeah I doubt that'd happen. There's nothing logical for them to be new for, seeing as the 5/31 are just being Crimson'd, and the 11 is being branded, and obviously the 37/71/72. The 1/966 aren't really likely to get new buses, so yeah. But what's more interesting is, what would we get? PB have 32 Geminis, and WB have 18. If not Gemini, we'd gain a new vehicle type, which'd be exciting. I think most likely, we'll have more than 3 left though. Enough to cover the 1/966. Even still, compared to the 36 presently, only around 15, if that, would be needed for the 1/966. So 21 needing replacing.
Interesting though none the less.
Could they be Euro 3 B7TL/ALX400'S? There are a number of those at PB & WB that will need to be removed from Central B'ham services, AG obviously being experienced with Volvo's
Quote from: Winston on November 21, 2015, 11:19:58 PM
Could they be Euro 3 B7TL/ALX400'S? There are a number of those at PB & WB that will need to be removed from Central B'ham services, AG obviously being experienced with Volvo's
Maybe, those are renowned for being slow though aren't they? I wonder how they'd compare to the Plaxtons acceleration wise.
Quote from: MW on November 21, 2015, 11:21:29 PM
Maybe, those are renowned for being slow though aren't they? I wonder how they'd compare to the Plaxtons acceleration wise.
If there's a hill involved then good luck...
Quote from: MW on November 21, 2015, 11:21:29 PM
Maybe, those are renowned for being slow though aren't they? I wonder how they'd compare to the Plaxtons acceleration wise.
They're not that bad, if anything they hit good speeds although they can get bumpy
Quote from: MW on November 21, 2015, 11:21:29 PM
Maybe, those are renowned for being slow though aren't they? I wonder how they'd compare to the Plaxtons acceleration wise.
I always thought they were alright to be fair, failing that another option might be E400's cascaded from elsewhere
Quote from: Winston on November 21, 2015, 11:45:52 PM
I always thought they were alright to be fair, failing that another option might be E400's cascaded from elsewhere
As the Presidents are now the oldest vehicles in the fleet, unless there are newer vehicles in worse condition it would be reasonably safe to assume they'll be withdrawn when the next lot of new vehicles arrives.
The question in my mind is whether, given most garages have a similar average vehicle age, whether there will be much need for cascades or would direct replacement with new vehicles occur? Hopefully it'll be at least some new vehicles so they could update some of the 11 stock (surely Dundee would have some new stock as well).
MW, I know your not a fan of plaxton b7tl volvos, you most definatinately won't be fan of the ALX400 version with the voith gearbox some are incredibly slow down rite dangerous on five ways edgbaston island before the introduction of the traffic lights.
As for West Bromwich Geminis I think they will be refurbed and branded for the 5 west brom to Sutton Coldfield, when the next round of cascades happen. With most MK1 enviro400s in there new homes I can only asume the arrival of MK2 400s.
I think Perry barrs 33/65/67 will be next for upgrades not sure about the 90series of routes are they to be upgraded to Mmc platinums.
Quote from: 2900 on November 22, 2015, 10:46:29 AM
I think Perry barrs 33/65/67 will be next for upgrades not sure about the 90series of routes are they to be upgraded to Mmc platinums.
If the 33 and 9** routes did get some MMC
the E400 could possibly move onto the 65/67/94
Quote from: MW on November 21, 2015, 11:05:42 PM
A nice rumour for you all.
An inspector reckons that apparently we're due to lose some more Plaxtons in January/February. He says it's due to new buses. Now when he says new, I don't know if he means new to AG or new to the company, and then cascades to AG. I suspect the latter. According to him, we're eventually being reduced to 3 Plaxtons to be used on the schools (885 etc). I find it unlikely that we'll only have 3, but yeah.
If it's not obvious already, I'm taking this as a rumour and a pinch of salt, but yeah.
I suppose it would depend on how early next year new bus deliveries will start, if it's 'new' buses that are involved. I also do suspect that any 'new' double-decks won't be direct replacements for the Presidents, but it will be subsequent cascades that finish them off.
The presidents could be used on 289 and 246 if they moved
Quote from: don on November 22, 2015, 10:15:41 AM
As the Presidents are now the oldest vehicles in the fleet, unless there are newer vehicles in worse condition it would be reasonably safe to assume they'll be withdrawn when the next lot of new vehicles arrives.
The question in my mind is whether, given most garages have a similar average vehicle age, whether there will be much need for cascades or would direct replacement with new vehicles occur? Hopefully it'll be at least some new vehicles so they could update some of the 11 stock (surely Dundee would have some new stock as well).
@don I'd agree that the Presidents will most likely be withdrawn, with the best ones sold on for further service.
It's highly unlikely the 11 will get an updated fleet with branding currently being applied to repainted Gemini's in red/white. That said, YW & AG have the oldest average fleet ages. If YW had any new deckers I'd expect them to go on 2 & 3, whilst AG the 5 & 31
Dundee could do with a batch of new deckers to replace some of their Presidents & further newer cascades that can be used of Fife Schools
Quote from: Winston on November 22, 2015, 11:55:45 AM
It's highly unlikely the 11 will get an updated fleet with branding currently being applied to repainted Gemini's in red/white.
That's what I'm finding a bit puzzling at present. If the Geminis are staying on the 11, I would have thought them to be a more worthy candidate for repaint (than the 5/31) considering how such an important route the Outer Circle is supposedly.
Nothing against the 5 or 31 of course, I just don't get why these are getting the Crimson treatment ahead of other routes. Personally, I think the 966 should have been done, as it serves the Airport. Or the 1, as then it would be a wholly Crimson route, alongside the E200s that also appear.
Unless the 11 branding is just temporary for a few months, until new buses arrive next year...
Quote from: Stu on November 22, 2015, 05:03:10 PM
That's what I'm finding a bit puzzling at present. If the Geminis are staying on the 11, I would have thought them to be a more worthy candidate for repaint (than the 5/31) considering how such an important route the Outer Circle is supposedly.
Nothing against the 5 or 31 of course, I just don't get why these are getting the Crimson treatment ahead of other routes. Personally, I think the 966 should have been done, as it serves the Airport. Or the 1, as then it would be a wholly Crimson route, alongside the E200s that also appear.
Unless the 11 branding is just temporary for a few months, until new buses arrive next year...
I think the 5/31 will look better when the YW Scanias are done, which I presume is next in line, so all the main Bham-Solihull routes are done.
Quote from: Stu on November 22, 2015, 05:03:10 PM
That's what I'm finding a bit puzzling at present. If the Geminis are staying on the 11, I would have thought them to be a more worthy candidate for repaint (than the 5/31) considering how such an important route the Outer Circle is supposedly.
Nothing against the 5 or 31 of course, I just don't get why these are getting the Crimson treatment ahead of other routes. Personally, I think the 966 should have been done, as it serves the Airport. Or the 1, as then it would be a wholly Crimson route, alongside the E200s that also appear.
Unless the 11 branding is just temporary for a few months, until new buses arrive next year...
The trouble with the 11 is its high Pvr. It would take a long time to repaint enough Gemini's in to Crimson to cover the entire Pvr and a large proportion of AG's Gemini's have only just recently been repainted red/white.
I highly doubt the 11 branding is temporary, the 11 upgrade is a full compliment of refurbished Gemini. There's no way AG will get another 50 new deckers less than 12 months after a brand new fleet of single deckers. I don't personally think the 11 will get a new fleet until after all Central B'ham routes have min Euro 4 buses on them I.e. after May 2017
I would think Dundee will have to replace the remaining B10L and B10BLE's by the end of the year. Some of Acocks Green's may move there.
Crimson Gemini 4644 out on 966 today
Currently at Solihull Touchwood
4522 - Grace
4661 - Hannah
(Both now Outer Circle branded)
4523 also now branded.
2205 in Walsall bus station
4508 seems to be the new 4518. On 11C today.
4515 - Maninder Kaur
4516 - Chelsey Louise
Quote from: MW on November 25, 2015, 12:47:28 PM
4508 seems to be the new 4518. On 11C today.
Some driver in that bus was thrashing its balls off.
Quote from: Ronnoc on November 25, 2015, 02:33:06 PM
Some driver in that bus did a crazy stunt across Vicarage road, nearly back siding it with another Gemini.
That was me. It wasn't a crazy stunt.
Quote from: MW on November 25, 2015, 02:58:10 PM
That was me. It wasn't a crazy stunt.
You overtook 4698, which I was on lol. I was about to get on your bus but you were miles ahead of my sluggish driver. You totally thrashed the bus, I like how the bus sounded, I had a suspicion you were in there, but if you saw a person recording at the back seat, it was me ;)
Quote from: Ronnoc on November 25, 2015, 03:07:33 PM
You overtook 4698, which I was on lol. I was about to get on your bus but you were miles ahead of my sluggish driver. You totally thrashed the bus, I like how the bus sounded, I had a suspicion you were in there, but if you saw a person recording at the back seat, it was me ;)
Lmao, the reason I overtook is because 4040 was just down the road and had cleared the bus stop, and I didn't have any people coming off, and there was a 76 behind me, so why wait around.
Yeah 4508 is a good one. I last had it a couple days ago where trident4370 saw me, and the cooling fans weren't constant then.
I have removed the last comment form this topic as it made derogatory remarks about a driver with comments that could identify him
Quote from: Tony on November 25, 2015, 03:45:55 PM
I have removed the last comment form this topic as it made derogatory remarks about a driver with comments that could identify him
Sorry, never realised that it was against the rules but I didn't really use derogatory terms, unless making references to one is against the rules.
4521 - Jessica
4661 also now has a CCTV TV screen
Quote from: 2206 on November 25, 2015, 04:44:35 PM
4521 - Jessica
4661 also now has a CCTV TV screen
4521 is named 'Lucy'
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/22446475804/
What was the comment? I didn't get to see it.
Quote from: John on November 25, 2015, 05:41:08 PM
4521 is named 'Lucy'
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/22446475804/
sorry must have been another 45** Gemini then
Quote from: MW on November 25, 2015, 05:45:02 PM
What was the comment? I didn't get to see it.
He called the driver a derogatory name after telling us which bus he was driving
Quote from: 2206 on November 25, 2015, 05:47:02 PM
sorry must have been another 45** Gemini then
4519 is named Jessica :)
Quote from: MW on November 25, 2015, 02:58:10 PM
That was me. It wasn't a crazy stunt.
Here is said moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D02fO7AtZvE&feature=youtu.be&t=15m10s
I don't think it was a crazy stunt. I simply overtook a stationary bus, and if you rewind it abit, you can see a Plaxton at the 11C stop who took all the passengers. And then after this overtake, you might be able to see me overtake the Plaxton too, to help him out.
Quote from: MW on November 25, 2015, 09:09:59 PM
Here is said moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D02fO7AtZvE&feature=youtu.be&t=15m10s
I don't think it was a crazy stunt. I simply overtook a stationary bus, and if you rewind it abit, you can see a Plaxton at the 11C stop who took all the passengers. And then after this overtake, you might be able to see me overtake the Plaxton too, to help him out.
I may have made it sound dramatic lol. But I usually call a lot of things like that a crazy stunt, but I see now.
Acocks Green have got all 50 E200MMCs on the road this morning, looks like Alexander Dennis are doing well with sorting the teething problems out
Quote from: Tony on November 26, 2015, 08:58:06 AM
Acocks Green have got all 50 E200MMCs on the road this morning, looks like Alexander Dennis are doing well with sorting the teething problems out
@Tony is that the teething problem connected with the brakes?
Quote from: Stu on November 13, 2015, 09:01:35 PM
6 running boards = 6 buses (in my opinion). If they (PB) have enough spare capacity/buses, surely no extra buses will be required. From the sounds of it, these will just be peak time extras, and are just to help out with reducing dead mileage which to me makes sense, to have journeys terminating at Perry Barr which don't have to travel all the way across city to get back to Acocks Green.
Only just read this so apologies for the delay. PB are currently short of buses at the moment so I'd suspect that some will be transferred from AG or from another depot.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 26, 2015, 03:07:48 PM
Only just read this so apologies for the delay. PB are currently short of buses at the moment so I'd suspect that some will be transferred from AG or from another depot.
If a garage gets extra work of course it gets extra buses. Perry Barr allocation is currently 6 buses more than it should have, but also has 6 buses in paint so has the correct number on site
4652 (Crimson) on the 37. Seen in Acocks Green, about 45mins ago heading towards Solihull.
I saw a fresh Crimson Gemini in the corner of the garage earlier, must have been this, unless another one has arrived from Walsall?
Quote from: MW on November 28, 2015, 01:04:58 AM
4652 (Crimson) on the 37. Seen in Acocks Green, about 45mins ago heading towards Solihull.
I saw a fresh Crimson Gemini in the corner of the garage earlier, must have been this, unless another one has arrived from Walsall?
I forget the number but there was a fresh 46xx outside paintshop with 4823 last night and theres a 46xx in old livery waiting to go in today
Can not see a mention so sorry if it has already been said.
4509 is named 'Amy Lou'
Quote from: John on November 29, 2015, 07:32:06 PM
Can not see a mention so sorry if it has already been said.
4509 is named 'Amy Lou'
Quote from: 2206 on November 09, 2015, 04:21:02 PM
4509 is now also branded
4508 - did a 11E to the Fox And Goose on the 11A side and is currently running Out Of Service to start the 1
4509 - was on a 11A at The Fox And Goose about 15 minutes ago
4508 and 4509 are both named
Looks like 4509s name is Amy - Lou
@John
Quote from: 2206 on November 29, 2015, 07:40:41 PM
@John
Thanks for that
A 37 branded MMC went through Sutton this afternoon using Lower Parade the opposite way to the 71. Strange to see one in Sutton on a Sunday coming the opposite way to usual
Not sure what's been mentioned and what's not, but...
4662/4665/4673 now branded for the Circle.
Quote from: MW on December 04, 2015, 01:47:45 AM
Not sure what's been mentioned and what's not, but...
4662/4665/4673 now branded for the Circle.
And 4666, possibly 4663 aswell.
There is a Crimson Gemini on the 11A today
I can only apologise for the lateness of this post but on Friday whilst waiting for my 5am 11A, I clocked a 71/72 branded E200MMC heading back to the garage. I'm used to seeing E200MMCs in the morning although they're heading from the garage
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on December 06, 2015, 02:57:53 PM
I can only apologise for the lateness of this post but on Friday whilst waiting for my 5am 11A, I clocked a 71/72 branded E200MMC heading back to the garage. I'm used to seeing E200MMCs in the morning although they're heading from the garage
Probably developed a fault, or might have been staff bus.
Apologies if wrong fleet number but I think it was 2247 at Severn Valley railway today.
don't think this one's been mentioned yet, 4675 is now 11 branded and named Jasveer
Quote from: Tony on December 08, 2015, 07:29:09 AM
The AG 5 now has to be E200MmC. New signage means the 5 has to be Single Deck
There's a tonne to ask about this one, but the 5 is a long and slightly strange route ;)
Bit of a pain in regards to the 5 - at least they have some Crimson Geminis to put on the 37 instead which won't look too much out of place. Also won't be an issue in the off peaks having the E200MMCs although in the morning/late afternoon could be a squeeze with the college.
I thought someone mentioned before that the 200s were banned from the 5 because of the tight turns!!
Case for some shorter wheelbase buses or a rerouting perhaps?
Quote from: Tony on December 08, 2015, 08:17:16 AM
The bridge in Robin Hood Lane now has a 14'3" sign in a red circle meaning It's illegal to drive Geminis under there. It was in a triangle and they are only advisory
The bridging on my road has been changed I think, even though it's the route that the 11's use to start their route or go back to the garage.
Quote from: Kevin on December 08, 2015, 01:10:31 PM
I thought someone mentioned before that the 200s were banned from the 5 because of the tight turns!!
Case for some shorter wheelbase buses or a rerouting perhaps?
It was also mentioned that they would be a problem at Marston Green, but they seem to be doing fine there.
Certainly with regards to vehicles for the 5, this has certainly put a spanner in the works! I'm not complaining though, the extra Geminis are very welcome on the 37!
I wonder if this will see the end of the 5 as we know it, as I can't see how it could be effectively re-routed around that bridge, unless it continued down Cole Valley Road and then onto Highfield Road?
Quote from: Stu on December 08, 2015, 06:41:21 PM
It was also mentioned that they would be a problem at Marston Green, but they seem to be doing fine there.
Certainly with regards to vehicles for the 5, this has certainly put a spanner in the works! I'm not complaining though, the extra Geminis are very welcome on the 37!
I wonder if this will see the end of the 5 as we know it, as I can't see how it could be effectively re-routed around that bridge, unless it continued down Cole Valley Road and then onto Highfield Road?
There are other problems cropping up now as well. It looks like Scanias may be banned off the 27!
Quote from: Tony on December 08, 2015, 06:49:21 PM
There are other problems cropping up now as well. It looks like Scanias may be banned off the 27!
Seriously? I'm really getting confused now, the question is, if it does happen that scania's are banned of the 27, what will replace it?
I was thinking the same
@Ronnoc !!
Quote from: Tony on December 08, 2015, 06:49:21 PM
There are other problems cropping up now as well. It looks like Scanias may be banned off the 27!
I presume this is because of the low bridge in Bournville, has the height restriction changed there too then? That one would definitely have to be re-routed then!
Quote from: Stu on December 08, 2015, 07:03:23 PM
I presume this is because of the low bridge in Bournville, has the height restriction changed there too then? That one would definitely have to be re-routed then!
Maybe, Scania's are 10 '6 and the circular sign might have restricted vehicles only to 10 '0 which was the height of the bridge.
Quote from: Ronnoc on December 08, 2015, 07:25:30 PM
Maybe, Scania's are 10 '6 and the circle might have restricted it to below 10 '0 which has been the current height of the bridge.
The Scania's have much bigger roof mounted pods making them taller, compared with Eclipse 2's.
NX may now need more new single deckers after all
This is ridiculous - there's been no problems before so why all of sudden have they (not NX - whoever decides on the bridges!) decided to implement this. Suppose easiest solution would be for AG to have around 10 Scanias from YW and YW have 10 MMCs from AG - would mean both the 5 and 27 are then compliant?
Quote from: Liberator9 on December 08, 2015, 07:31:40 PM
This is ridicoulous - there's been no problems before so why all of sudden have they (not NX - whoever decides on the bridges!) decided to implement this. Suppose easiest solution would be for AG to have around 10 Scanias from YW and YW have 10 MMCs from AG - would mean both the 5 and 27 are then compliant?
But the MMC's were purchased for the 37, 71/72.
AG is already having to put some of their MMC allocation on the 5 now as well.
Quote from: Winston on December 08, 2015, 07:28:54 PM
The Scania's have much bigger roof mounted pods making them taller, compared with Eclipse 2's.
NX may now need more new single deckers after all
They've always fitted under that bridge.
Quote from: Winston on December 08, 2015, 07:28:54 PM
The Scania's have much bigger roof mounted pods making them taller, compared with Eclipse 2's.
NX may now need more new single deckers after all
Or they could just swap some of the Scanias (if not all, to keep things consistent) with other single decks from elsewhere, such as Eclipse 2 B7RLEs from BC?
Or just reroute both routes to avoid the low bridges?
Actually the 27 could if necessary be rerouted down Mary Vale Road and join the A441 one street down from Bournville Lane - I know the bridge Mary Vale has goes over the railway, and should be wide enough for a single decker?
That would be an easier solution.
Quote from: Ronnoc on December 08, 2015, 07:34:41 PM
They've always fitted under that bridge.
Edit:
Doesn't matter whether they've always fitted under that bridge, the max vehicle height that can use the bridge
can now not be exceeded, meaning they don't fit anymore!
The
signage can only have been reduced to allow even more clearance & reduce risk of a bridge strike further, it's probably boils down to new Health & Safety rulings & may have been imposed by Network Rail
Quote from: Winston on December 08, 2015, 07:41:46 PM
Doesn't matter whether they've always fitted under that bridge, the max vehicle height that can use the bridge has now been reduced, meaning they don't fit anymore!
The height can only have been reduced to allow even more clearance & reduce risk of a bridge strike further, it's probably boils down to new Health & Safety rulings & may have been imposed by Network Rail
The height in the signs hasn't changed, but when a height is in a triangular sign it is only advisory, so you are not committing a road traffic offence by driving through if you don't hit it. When it is in a circle you are then committing an offence if the vehicle is taller than that given in the road sign
Quote from: Liberator9 on December 08, 2015, 07:39:11 PM
Actually the 27 could if necessary be rerouted down Mary Vale Road and join the A441 one street down from Bournville Lane - I know the bridge Mary Vale has goes over the railway, and should be wide enough for a single decker?
That would be an easier solution.
Tridents have been used on the 27 in the past, happened once or twice, and were rerouted along Mary Vale Road, can remember seeing one a few years ago when walking home from Bournville station. Have also been over that bridge on a diverted 45 when the Pershore Road was shut for resurfacing between Stirchley and Cotteridge.
Quote from: Liberator9 on December 08, 2015, 07:39:11 PM
Actually the 27 could if necessary be rerouted down Mary Vale Road and join the A441 one street down from Bournville Lane - I know the bridge Mary Vale has goes over the railway, and should be wide enough for a single decker?
That would be an easier solution.
Expect plenty of complaints from Mary Vale residents if all the 27's get diverted down there disturbing their peace and quiet. At the moment only the 38 goes down there not every often! ;D
Could the mmc's that currently branded for 37 be rebranded for the 5 and the Gemini coming back in crimson be branded for the 37?
Quote from: Chris on December 08, 2015, 08:44:53 PM
Could the mmc's that currently branded for 37 be rebranded for the 5 and the Gemini coming back in crimson be branded for the 37?
That'd kinda be a downgrade for one and an upgrade for one.
Thinking outside the box here, so please feel free to shoot me down as I'm not a civil engineer, but would it be feasible to lower the road (by digging away and resurfacing) even by a few inches under these bridges? Or is that a crazy expensive idea (even by BCC standards)?
Quote from: Cheese on December 08, 2015, 08:30:09 PM
Tridents have been used on the 27 in the past, happened once or twice, and were rerouted along Mary Vale Road, can remember seeing one a few years ago when walking home from Bournville station. Have also been over that bridge on a diverted 45 when the Pershore Road was shut for resurfacing between Stirchley and Cotteridge.
Ahh right - didn't know that - so Scanias could be put down there if required.
Quote from: Stu on December 08, 2015, 08:46:39 PM
Thinking outside the box here, so please feel free to shoot me down as I'm not a civil engineer, but would it be feasible to lower the road (by digging away and resurfacing) even by a few inches under these bridges? Or is that a crazy expensive idea (even by BCC standards)?
A far easier solution would be for bridges to actually be labelled at their real clearance
Quote from: Tony on December 08, 2015, 08:56:14 PM
A far easier solution would be for bridges to actually be labelled at their real clearance
Yes, but
@Tony we live in the UK
Quote from: Tony on December 08, 2015, 08:56:14 PM
A far easier solution would be for bridges to actually be labelled at their real clearance
Very true, as has been suggested already maybe Network Rail are covering their arses, so to speak, in the eventuality that some prat does come a cropper by driving underneath when they clearly shouldn't.
Quote from: Stu on December 08, 2015, 09:04:08 PM
Very true, as has been suggested already maybe Network Rail are covering their arses, so to speak, in the eventuality that some prat does come a cropper by driving underneath when they clearly shouldn't.
If we have to rely on Network Rail, forget about deckers ever going under rail bridges anymore.
Yeah the turn on the 5 going towards City at Sarehole Mill (turning left at the roundabout (Sarehole Road to Cole Bank Road). A good few have had to reverse, I think one has hit the plastic yellow bollard thing. The problem is, you have to take that turn at specifically the right point, and if you don't, you cannot correct yourself due to the lack of steering the MMCs are capable off. On the other buses, you tend to need two turns off the steering wheel, and have a third turn left in case you mess it up etc. So you'll see the MMCs going as wide as possible on that turn now.
Drivers have been instructed to do 1.25 circuits of the roundabout
Quote from: Tony on December 08, 2015, 10:36:32 PM
Drivers have been instructed to do 1.25 circuits of the roundabout
What does that mean
@Tony
Quote from: RS on December 08, 2015, 10:38:14 PM
What does that mean @Tony
Go round the roundabout and then come off on Cole Bank Road. So instead of turning left, do a circle round and then take the exit.
Interesting. I'd presume this can't be permanent though as the MMCs are meant to be for the 37/71/72. New vehicle type at AG, or possibly transferring to YW? I wonder.
I assume one of the solutions would be an inclusion the next order for some extra MMC200s next year for AG. The other is perhaps diverting the route - most practical being down Highfield to Cole Valley Road - that would avoid the bridge. However Cole Valley Road isn't the widest road - deckers do go down there in the form of a school bus route, but whether residents want the 5 is another question.
Very frustrating for NX considering they've been using deckers under the bridge for years, and not had one incident or issue with it. However I'm sure NX will solve it in due cause in the best way.
The problem with the 5 route has been sorted.
The genuine height of Acocks Green's Geminis has been checked as 14'3, the same as the bridge is labelled, so the stickers in all the cabs has been changed to match the genuine height meaning they are legal again
Two are already back on the 5
Good to hear - Well done NX.
But presumably there's still the 27 to sort out. And I wonder if this is happening all round the country. There are really busy bridges like the one at Oxford station that does need low-height double deckers. I wonder if it's labelled with a lower height than it really is.
Quote from: Tony on December 09, 2015, 03:17:49 PM
The problem with the 5 route has been sorted.
The genuine height of Acocks Green's Geminis has been checked as 14'3, the same as the bridge is labelled, so the stickers in all the cabs has been changed to match the genuine height meaning they are legal again
Two are already back on the 5
It's been great having the extra double-decks on the 37, especially in the mornings, so it was good while it lasted! :(
Glad to hear all has been resolved now for the 5.
AG 885 - 4636
AG 1 - 4533
@2206 A few E200 MMC's have been on the 31 in the past couple of months as been reported in the AG thread
Quote from: 2206 on December 11, 2015, 05:26:24 PM
AG 31 - 2205
It must have changed onto the 37 as that was my bus home this evening - must have been running late too as the driver belted it down the Warwick Road! Some people criticise these E200 MMCs, but they really do have a good turn of speed given the chance!
What time did you see it
@Stu?
It was in Acocks Green at around 15:55 going towards the City Centre on the 31
Quote from: 2206 on December 11, 2015, 07:37:29 PM
What time did you see it @Stu?
It was in Acocks Green at around 15:55 going towards the City Centre on the 31
The Running board it is on swaps from 31s to 37s
Quote from: 2206 on December 11, 2015, 07:37:29 PM
What time did you see it @Stu?
It was in Acocks Green at around 15:55 going towards the City Centre on the 31
It was about 6:50pm when it eventually arrived at my Auckland Road stop (and got to Acocks Green just after 7pm lol)
Just something I've been wondering.
I've got the following PVRs down for these routes.
37 - 20
71 - 12
72 - 17
S1 - 1
The 72 PVR seems like it's too high, but I've calculated it multiple times, unless I'm missing something. That brings the PVR to all these routes to 50. Was there ever any plan to keep them all 100% MMC, as that leaves no spares whatsoever.
Quote from: MW on December 15, 2015, 12:55:52 AM
Just something I've been wondering.
I've got the following PVRs down for these routes.
37 - 20
71 - 12
72 - 17
S1 - 1
The 72 PVR seems like it's too high, but I've calculated it multiple times, unless I'm missing something. That brings the PVR to all these routes to 50. Was there ever any plan to keep them all 100% MMC, as that leaves no spares whatsoever.
Quite surprising as I'm led to believe NXWM order 10% more than they need for spares
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on December 15, 2015, 05:09:08 AM
Quite surprising as I'm led to believe NXWM order 10% more than they need for spares
They did originally as 50 new E200MMC's replaced 48 existing Volvo/Scania single deckers. You're forgetting the 72 has recently increased when the 70 was curtailed
Quote from: Winston on December 15, 2015, 09:12:00 AM
They did originally as 50 new E200MMC's replaced 48 existing Volvo/Scania single deckers. You're forgetting the 72 has recently increased when the 70 was curtailed
And the PVR figures quoted are not accurate either
Just saw 4698 on the 72E, do YW run any boards on the 72?
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 15, 2015, 04:16:39 PM
Just saw 4698 on the 72E, do YW run any boards on the 72?
Looks that way, since the timetable changes in November
I don't think it's an actual 72 running board. It seems to be one journey they run, so maybe it comes off something else, possibly the 885? As they run one of the three buses on the 885.
Quote from: MW on December 15, 2015, 07:27:20 PM
I don't think it's an actual 72 running board. It seems to be one journey they run, so maybe it comes off something else, possibly the 885? As they run one of the three buses on the 885.
Is the YW journey on the 885 in the morning or, afternoon
@MW I saw the 16:10 from Acocks Green recently and it was 4636 so, not that one
Quote from: 2206 on December 15, 2015, 07:31:51 PM
Is the YW journey on the 885 in the morning or, afternoon @MW
Must be the afternoon, as the other morning I was out early and there were two Geminis following each other both on the 885.
I've seen it a couple times in the afternoon. Seems to be one Plaxton, one Gemini and one Trident usually.
On the timetable there are only two afternoon journeys?
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Quote from: Jaysnerz007 on December 18, 2015, 06:28:19 PM
Hi MW how did your appeal go have you had it ?
@Jaysnerz007 I suggest you send questions such as the above to MW personally as a message, Winston
Quote from: Winston on December 18, 2015, 06:43:43 PM
@Jaysnerz007 I suggest you send questions such as the above to MW personally as a message, Winston
Yeah I've replied to him via PM. My appeal wasn't really acknowledged, incase anyone else is wondering.
Quote from: MW on December 18, 2015, 06:45:08 PM
Yeah I've replied to him via PM. My appeal wasn't really acknowledged, incase anyone else is wondering.
I did wonder & was gonna to PM you about it but haven't got around to it lol
@MW ;D
Quote from: Squiz1971 on December 18, 2015, 07:20:56 PM
I did wonder & was gonna to PM you about it but haven't got around to it lol @MW ;D
Might as well post here.
Disruption of service. I took over on two buses. Couldn't see out of either properly due to the incorrect wing mirror arm fitted. They deemed it to be fit for service. Because I was a new driver on probation, they can dismiss whenever they feel like. What did they tell us at training school. You must always be able to see one third bus, two thirds road out of the mirrors. I got into a debate with one of the managers, who I proved wrong in front of around 5 other drivers. Said manager felt like I attacked his intelligence and went out of his way to get rid of me.
Here is evidence of view on buses.
4521 (A good example of how it should be):
http://s27.postimg.org/ko9nu2tb7/IMG_2666.jpg
http://s30.postimg.org/aaojmhkkx/IMG_2667.jpg
4673 (A terrible one, like):
http://s27.postimg.org/cudnmfaw3/IMG_2670.jpg
http://s9.postimg.org/44zenuykv/IMG_2671.jpg
Management initially dismissed me for the disruption, and when I told them about this issue, they accused me of making it up because the engineering manager reckons all these Geminis have the exact same wing mirror.
In my appeal, I showed them this evidence and they changed their minds and said the engineering manager didn't say this. They said they feel the view in the mirror is fit for purpose. Clearly not as you can see in the pictures. Shows the interior and exterior, blatantly different mirror types.
Ultimately, there's too many politics in this company. The job is enjoyable, but the management are a bunch of idiots, and they just treat the drivers like s***, now that they've got over their driver shortage. They basically wanted me to grovel for my job back, I didn't. I showed them the evidence and explained it out to them. They still sacked me.
There was an issue for punctuality too a while back, so they combined it with this. My probation would have been over in a few weeks as well lol. I guess that's the way it goes eh.
I wouldn't drive a vehicle with a mirror like that no chance! If you failed to spot something etc resulting in a incident you'd never hear the end of it
Does the management not see that the incorrect mirror arm like that which is fitted to 4673 could possibly cause an accident or even worse dragging somebody off the pavement and under the vehicle when arriving at stops because the driver just can not see everything they need to? While I understand it's
@MW against the company I am however on the side of MW on this one as not being able to see along your blind side is down right dangerous
Quote from: dw1308 on December 19, 2015, 12:49:03 PM
Does the management not see that the incorrect mirror arm like that which is fitted to 4673 could possibly cause an accident or even worse dragging somebody off the pavement and under the vehicle when arriving at stops because the driver just can not see everything they need to? While I understand it's @MW against the company I am however on the side of MW on this one as not being able to see along your blind side is down right dangerous
These shorter mirror arms are on most of the 46xx Geminis. The management say that the engineering department says its fit for service. They also said that I should adjust my seat, but as I'm quite tall, if I do the seat forward, my legs don't fit unless I move the steering wheel, and doing that makes the steering wheel too far to reach...
A lot of the engineers reckon these shorter mirrors are cheaper.
Speaking to Coventry drivers I'm reliably informed that they had a similar problem with their 46xx Geminis which was solved by replacing them with the same mirror arms that are fitted to Tridents within six months of them entering service. It is my understanding the matter was raised through the "cab committee" at the time along with being unable to see the internal mirror due to the assault screen and the fact you couldn't see the money being put in the slot due to its poor positioning. I have never driven a bus so make these comments on well reasoned arguments put to me by people who have driven these buses.
Mirror arm debate: I can see the huge difference between arms but with out having experienced the shorter arm I can't say how good or bad it is, I,m from generation of drivers who drove buses with tiny mirrors and arms, today the mirrors are twice the size,the arms are enormous, when the mercs first came to Hockley there standard mirrors were awful then they were replaced with standard metrobus/ Lynx bus items small but did the job better. My personal preference is large mirror left side , small driver side. There have times when looking right these large mirrors get in the way most annoying.
Quote from: MW on December 19, 2015, 05:29:10 PM
These shorter mirror arms are on most of the 46xx Geminis. The management say that the engineering department says its fit for service. They also said that I should adjust my seat, but as I'm quite tall, if I do the seat forward, my legs don't fit unless I move the steering wheel, and doing that makes the steering wheel too far to reach...
A lot of the engineers reckon these shorter mirrors are cheaper.
This has been going on for years, they are well aware of the problem but don't want to spend money on it. I suspect the problem is that the actual bracket may be designed/positioned differently on the later batch so it would require more than just a new arm. The Geminis in particular have always been hideous for visibility. The attack screens are poorly positioned, the offside mirror creates more blind spots than it solves and the door column is so thick that if the nearside mirror is only slightly out of position you can see nothing. The nearside mirror is also often set too high such that you can only see the bottom half of it. Have you noticed how poor the driver's seats are in the 46** ones too? Offset, sloping to one side and soggy. My sciatica was back after a couple of weeks stuck in them.
As for your treatment, if you intend to carry on bus driving you can get used to this. Large operators are on a constant treadmill and always will be. Shortage - recruit excessively - over staffed - no overtime - spare drivers - start sacking.... and then back to the start and repeat. When they are in the final cycle they will devote months to finding reasons to sack drivers.
There was a time when a decent union convenor would have helped you keep your job but unfortunately the bus industry is now in the Unite days whereby most depot convenors are only in the job to get a cushy number away from the roster. Next time, ignore the Unite people and sign up with the RMT.
Who are they?
When speak to someone and they say "they" my immediate
response is to say "who are they" to which the answer is usually "the management" to which I reply "which manager" which usually gets a blank look in return. Having greater expectations of who is responsible for resolving issues when matters go awry. After all any organisation must have clear roles and responsibilities for leaders if it is to function effectively.
Not sure if it has been mentioned already 4514 is now branded for the 11 and I think is named Chloe but not 100% sure
Quote from: Rob2832 on January 08, 2016, 08:04:49 PM
Not sure if it has been mentioned already 4514 is now branded for the 11 and I think is named Chloe but not 100% sure
Thanks,
@Rob2832. :) Do you (or anyone else) know if 4524 and/or 4660 have been branded yet?
Quote from: P419 EJW on January 08, 2016, 08:33:35 PM
Thanks, @Rob2832. :) Do you (or anyone else) know if 4524 and/or 4660 have been branded yet?
@P419 EJW Not to my knowledge but I'll keep an eye out for both :)
Quote from: P419 EJW on January 08, 2016, 08:33:35 PM
Thanks, @Rob2832. :) Do you (or anyone else) know if 4524 and/or 4660 have been branded yet?
4524 not branded as of last week
@P419 EJW .
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on January 08, 2016, 08:42:32 PM
4524 not branded as of last week @P419 EJW .
A post that Tony put on facebook indicated its got a new megarear ad
Quote from: RS on January 08, 2016, 10:11:35 PM
A post that Tony put on facebook indicated its got a new megarear ad
I've seen the megarear
@RS but the original question was about 11 branding which at the moment is as yet unbranded.
Is 4674 branded? This keeps avoiding me
Quote from: uniquicity on January 08, 2016, 10:43:26 PM
Is 4674 branded? This keeps avoiding me
Yeah, 4674 is branded, the name is Anita. :)
Quote from: P419 EJW on January 09, 2016, 12:05:11 AM
Yeah, 4674 is branded, the name is Anita. :)
Thanks :p
Saw a President on the Coventry Road this afternoon going towards Sheldon, wheatsheaf.
Dose anone know what it was doing?
Quote from: 2206 on January 14, 2016, 05:58:59 PM
Saw a President on the Coventry Road this afternoon going towards Sheldon, wheatsheaf.
Dose anone know what it was doing?
IIRC it was mentioned on here a while ago that they send them to Coventry for MOT on Thursdays
Is there a problem with inbound 72's at the moment as I waited for over an hour on Chipperfield Road as the 08/28 & 48 buses from 1pm to 2pm never showed up eventually I walked home as much p'd off. I caught the 11:30 72 to town ok but none of the others turned up. the 3 to Solihull Station went past although the 01 & 21 were nearly 10mins late but the 41 was on time at the top.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on January 15, 2016, 02:38:43 PM
Is there a problem with inbound 72's at the moment as I waited for over an hour on Chipperfield Road as the 08/28 & 48 buses from 1pm to 2pm never showed up eventually I walked home as much p'd off. I caught the 11:30 72 to town ok but none of the others turned up. the 3 to Solihull Station went past although the 01 & 21 were nearly 10mins late but the 41 was on time at the top.
There was an RTC on sheaf lane around that time, the whole area around Sheldon was gridlocked as police closed the road, more than likely the cause of the delays :)
Quote from: James. on January 15, 2016, 08:55:23 PM
There was an RTC on sheaf lane around that time, the whole area around Sheldon was gridlocked as police closed the road, more than likely the cause of the delays :)
Cheers
@James. thought something bad had happened for 3 city bound buses to be missing at least not sure about any more as I was safely home by 2pm
It occurred to me this evening, while travelling home on 2245 on the 37 (being price-branded and not route-branded), that I haven't seen any of 2201-2204 for sometime now. Are these usually now out on the 71/72/S1, hence why I don't seem to come across them on the 37 any more?
Quote from: Stu on January 19, 2016, 08:18:34 PM
It occurred to me this evening, while travelling home on 2245 on the 37 (being price-branded and not route-branded), that I haven't seen any of 2201-2204 for sometime now. Are these usually now out on the 71/72/S1, hence why I don't seem to come across them on the 37 any more?
It is only enthusiasts who are obsessed with where individual buses are. They are just 'unbranded single decks' as far as AG are concerned so will be allocated where unbranded single decks are needed
Quote from: Tony on January 19, 2016, 08:34:09 PM
It is only enthusiasts who are obsessed with where individual buses are. They are just 'unbranded single decks' as far as AG are concerned so will be allocated where unbranded single decks are needed
Thanks Tony, I'm no enthusiast as you may know, I was just curious as I have not seen any of these for a while on the 37, unless I've not been paying attention! If it's the case that they've been used elsewhere, then fair play to AG garage as in my mind there are only four single deck routes at AG (S1, 37, 71 & 72), so if I haven't seen them they must be being used on the 1, 71 & 72.
Crimson 4534 just left Acocks Green on the 11A. I find this noteworthy.
2202 was on the 37 Monday night peak time so they do get on there occasionally stu.
Quote from: 37351ml on January 27, 2016, 07:44:19 AM
2202 was on the 37 Monday night peak time so they do get on there occasionally stu.
I saw 2201 on there yesterday evening as I was heading home, so my curiosity has been satisfied! 8)
Dose anyone know what time the following journeys turned up at Church Road, Edgbaston on the AG 1 -
13:33 and 13:53 from Church Road towards Five Ways
12:55 and 13:15 from Gospel Oak
?
Yesterday I saw an 11 branded Gemini pass me on PB7 near Newtown Swimming Baths and it went down Newbury Rd following the 8A route. Any idea why it did?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 12, 2016, 10:17:37 AM
Yesterday I saw an 11 branded Gemini pass me on PB7 near Newtown Swimming Baths and it went down Newbury Rd following the 8A route. Any idea why it did?
Probably being adjusted cross city
A rather radiant 4525 & 4638 on the 31 today, looking very fresh might I say. 4525 hasn't got the yellow sticker on the back like other Crimsons have including 4638.
Photographed 71/72 branded 2236 in Coventry Pool Meadow earlier with an engineer at the wheel. Any idea what is was doing there?
As has been stated before Thursday is the day MOTs are done in Coventry for Acocks Green. A crimson Gemini came over last Thursday.
Quote from: JoNi on February 18, 2016, 03:03:07 PM
As has been stated before Thursday is the day MOTs are done in Coventry for Acocks Green. A crimson Gemini came over last Thursday.
Is it MOT time already for these? That's gone quickly.
Quote from: JoNi on February 18, 2016, 03:03:07 PM
As has been stated before Thursday is the day MOTs are done in Coventry for Acocks Green. A crimson Gemini came over last Thursday.
Its has only been in service for about 6 months (September)
@JoNi
Quote from: 2206 on February 18, 2016, 04:44:32 PM
Its has only been in service for about 6 months (September) @JoNi
NX don't wait for MoTs to expire before redoing them. This batch have been having MoTs for a couple of months now to make sure the dates are spread throughout the year so they don't all have to be taken off the road at the same time
We are seeing more and more crimson buses in Coventry none seen on 900 yet if BC repaints get underway shouldn't be too long.
What crimson buses work into Coventry?
Quote from: Stevo on February 19, 2016, 11:58:32 AM
What crimson buses work into Coventry?
None, But AG & YW ones turn up for MoTs on Thursdays
4642 still has the old 2015 'Welcome On Board' sign on the cab door with the old ticket prices
Crimson 4652 is on the 11A today.
Noticed today that the front 2 seats on the right of 4071s upper deck have the TWM moquette.
Those two seats also have grey seat backs instead of the usual blue seat backs.
What was 4656 doing roaming around All Saints Road in Kings Heath around 15 minutes ago?
4652 is on the 11C today.
4067 (I think) is doing a 11E to the Dudley Road while on a 11A - passeed the Fox And Goose at about 15:50
Crimson 4647 was on the 11C today.
... Not happy with the 71 service (Ex Solihull).... today (Fri 4/3/) I, and 5 other people waited 44 minutes on Tangmere drive in the COLD/rain @15.51pm.. as the scheduled 15.58pm was a no-show and the 16.18pm turned up at 16.35pm... (2241) >:( >:( >:(
That probley due to the police incident in sutton coldfield and a car crash in soilhull resulting in massive delays on that route
@windy miller
Probably the crazy nutter who stabbed a pregnant women, how distressing to hear that story.
Quote from: windy miller on March 04, 2016, 11:02:53 PM
... Not happy with the 71 service (Ex Solihull).... today (Fri 4/3/) I, and 5 other people waited 44 minutes on Tangmere drive in the COLD/rain @15.51pm.. as the scheduled 15.58pm was a no-show and the 16.18pm turned up at 16.35pm... (2241) thanks a lot guys >:( >:( >:(
not the drivers fault.
also they don't control the weather
Drivers don't control the buses either...? If the dispatcher is constantly on the radio wanting to know how many passengers you have on board and......where are you?
Quote from: windy miller on March 05, 2016, 03:26:20 AM
Drivers don't control the buses either...? If the dispatcher is constantly on the radio wanting to know how many passengers you have on board and......where are you?
That's AVL lol.
The radio control on the MMCs is terrible. The position of the foot button to talk back is on the right side near the base of the seat, so you have to stop the bus and then talk on the radio.
Too true mate.. I had not meant to criticise the driver(s) more a question of getting some answers on the " where's my bus" APP.... :)
Quote from: windy miller on March 05, 2016, 04:25:56 AM
Too true mate.. I had not meant to criticise the driver(s) more a question of getting some answers on the " where's my bus" APP.... :)
If the poor child who was run over by a car on Lode Lane hadn't been been so unfortunate meaning the 71s were trapped in Solihull while the road was closed by the police, then perhaps others wouldn't have been so unlucky in having to wait in a cold bus shelter.
I know which I would prefer not to happen
A woman was stabbed in Sutton yesterday afternoon surely that's a bit more important than a bus being late.
... If the delay(s) were due to accidents then fair enough.... Thanks for the info.
Tthe on line police report is giving the accident involving a young schoolboy on lode lane at 9.27PM. presumably this information should have read 9.27AM???
Quote from: windy miller on March 06, 2016, 02:41:04 PM
... If the delay(s) were due to accidents then fair enough.... Thanks for the info.
Tthe on line police report is giving the accident involving a young schoolboy on lode lane at 9.27PM. presumably this information should have read 9.27AM???
It was mid afternoon, same time as the stabbing in Sutton, hence the absolute chaos on the 71
Quote from: Tony on March 05, 2016, 08:36:26 AM
If the poor child who was run over by a car on Lode Lane hadn't been been so unfortunate meaning the 71s were trapped in Solihull while the road was closed by the police, then perhaps others wouldn't have been so unlucky in having to wait in a cold bus shelter.
I know which I would prefer not to happen
Solihull police have confirmed that the accident took place at 21.27 FIVE HOURS after the late bus.... just thought I'd mention it by the way....
Quote from: windy miller on March 06, 2016, 03:15:32 PM
Solihull police have confirmed that the accident took place at 21.27 FIVE HOURS after the late bus.... just thought I'd mention it by the way....
Lode lane was closed from 15:30 until 16:15 on the 4th March at the Junction of Grove Road due to a car/child RTC
I still have the incident report.
Thanks for the corrected info tony. The bus I had just missed on castle vale (2250) passed at 15.45pm and had obviously made it through before the road closure. hence the delay to subsequent services. Having TWO RTA incidents in the same area did seem unlikely.
condolences to everyone involved.
Quote from: John on March 08, 2016, 04:14:33 PM
AG | 2204 | 31
@John , this was my ride to work this morning, and I couldn't help but chuckle to myself as some woman got off with her child, telling her to get off "before it stalls again" ::)
While normally Gemini operated during the day, I have noticed on occasion that it is the 08:17 journey from Acocks Green towards city that is sometimes E200 operated.
2213 broke down in Olton this afternoon, rescued by Mansfield with a front lift.
Theres an 11 branded Gemini being towed by a Mansfield truck - seen at Five Ways just now.
Photo: https://flic.kr/p/EvLW6D
MMC 2207 on Sandon Road Bearwood with a few staff on board, any idea why?
Having just travelled on one of these MMC's for the first time ever on the 71, I have to say how thoroughly unsuitable they are for the route. Or for that matter, any route. They certainly don't measure up to the Volvos they have replaced or even an Omnilink. Legroom and aisle space not much better than an early 90's minibus, utter chaos onboard the minute there are a couple of buggies and standing passengers. And the 71 is a route where that is more often than not the case. I made the mistake of trying to get into the seat over the rear offside wheelarch. I couldn't actually get in it, and I am only 5'11. What dreadful buses.
Quote from: andy41 on March 19, 2016, 02:43:51 PM
Having just travelled on one of these MMC's for the first time ever on the 71, I have to say how thoroughly unsuitable they are for the route. Or for that matter, any route. They certainly don't measure up to the Volvos they have replaced or even an Omnilink. Legroom and aisle space not much better than an early 90's minibus, utter chaos onboard the minute there are a couple of buggies and standing passengers. And the 71 is a route where that is more often than not the case. I made the mistake of trying to get into the seat over the rear offside wheelarch. I couldn't actually get in it, and I am only 5'11. What dreadful buses.
As someone who regularly travels on these (on the 37), I will have to disagree and say these E200s are much better than the Omnilinks and Eclipse 2s they replaced.
I will agree with you on one of your points: while most seats I find do have plenty of legroom, those two sets of seats over the rear wheels are the exception. I'm only a little shorter than yourself, at 5ft 10, but I find that if I have to sit in those seats, I'm alright if I sit up straight.
As for standing passengers and buggies, you have the same problems as on any other type of bus; some people are reluctant to take a seat, but choose instead to stand in the narrowest part of the bus, and refuse to move out of the way when someone with a buggy is trying to get on/off. Logic tells me that buses are designed so that people move down the bus (where there is more room), rather than to the front, to let buggies on/off. But that's some passengers for you, having no consideration for anyone but themselves.
I suppose any problems are exacerbated on a route that runs less frequently, such as the 71 - generally on the 37, which runs at a higher frequency, you only encounter overcrowding problems when services get delayed because of traffic.
Quote from: Stu on March 19, 2016, 08:06:39 PM
..... I suppose any problems are exacerbated on a route that runs less frequently, such as the 71 - generally on the 37, which runs at a higher frequency, you only encounter overcrowding problems when services get delayed because of traffic.
The 37 also has overcrowding at times during the rush hour.
There's always a problem with standing passengers around the front on single-door buses and the E200 MMCs are no worse than any other type. But the layout at the back is much better than Omnilink or B7RLE as the floor is much lower. Width of seats and gangways is no different to those buses either. I like them.
4101 is out on the 11C today.
It usually seems to be completely Gemini on a Sunday.
It passed the Fox and Goose about 15 minutes ago.
Quote from: 2206 on March 20, 2016, 05:00:56 PM
4101 is out on the 11C today.
It usually seems to be completely Gemini on a Sunday
I saw 4508 out of service in the City Centre about 45 mins ago
A Crimson Gemini with some sort of branding is out today. The colour is somewhat goldish. What fleetnumber is it?
Quote from: Ronnoc on March 21, 2016, 07:40:27 AM
A Crimson Gemini with some sort of branding is out today. The colour is somewhat goldish. What fleetnumber is it?
Where did you see it?
Quote from: Ronnoc on March 21, 2016, 07:40:27 AM
A Crimson Gemini with some sort of branding is out today. The colour is somewhat goldish. What fleetnumber is it?
Price branding, none at AG are to receive route branding
4534 has price branding for £12.60 weekly travel. The same colour as Perry Barr's branding. It was named too but I forgot it!
4641 now has price branding, its just done a 11E to the Fox and Goose. On the 11A side of the route.
It's named as well. Though I've forgot it.
4648 is also price branded and is on the 31.
4636 is also branded
It may just be me but does anyone else think the price branding on the geminis just doesn't look right?
Quote from: Dom on March 26, 2016, 06:16:47 PM
It may just be me but does anyone else think the price branding on the geminis just doesn't look right?
I think it looks ok.
Quote from: Dom on March 26, 2016, 06:16:47 PM
It may just be me but does anyone else think the price branding on the geminis just doesn't look right?
its just you 😂
Quote from: Dom on March 26, 2016, 06:16:47 PM
It may just be me but does anyone else think the price branding on the geminis just doesn't look right?
I'd have to agree; I think it's the comparative length between the left side branding on the Geminis, conpared to the Enviro400
Quote from: clayderman on March 26, 2016, 09:26:51 PM
I'd have to agree; I think it's the comparative length between the left side branding on the Geminis, conpared to the Enviro400
THANK YOU!!!! I was thinking the same, it just doesn't look right.
@karl724223 Looks like it isn't just me.
Quote from: Dom on March 26, 2016, 06:16:47 PM
It may just be me but does anyone else think the price branding on the geminis just doesn't look right?
If I'm honest, I just don't like the Standard Crimson Price branding, Tan shouldn't have been used on either the Geminis or 4799/4800/4829, it just looks tacky to me, too similar to the Gold stripe, Imo. Don't particularly mind the Price 9/Price 50 ones though.
Interesting the 5 being diverted away from Springfield rd , is this anything to do with the railway tunnel don't know that area well.
Ignore the above that will be all the parked cars duh on my part
Quote from: pndriver on March 30, 2016, 02:32:19 PM
Not exactly in service/off route but a 934/935/936 platinum bus was in Stourbridge at 12pm today
Quote from: Chris on March 30, 2016, 08:57:38 PM
Bit far from home lol
I saw an E200MMC in West Brom, yesterday. Too far to ID, but was definitely an MMC. How's that for far from home. :P
@Chris
Quote from: clayderman on March 30, 2016, 10:04:20 PM
I saw an E200MMC in West Brom, yesterday. Too far to ID, but was definitely an MMC. How's that for far from home. :P @Chris
These MMCS like to travel about :P
PD0001111/96 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Erdington, Six Ways and Solihull Station given service number 966 effective from 29-May-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001111/667 - WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD T/A TRAVEL WEST MIDLANDS, 51 BORDESLEY GREEN, BIRMINGHAM, B9 4BZ
Variation Accepted: Operating between Sutton Coldfield and Solihull given service number 71/71A/71S/71W effective from 29-May-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
Just seen a picture of a cat having a nose at the cab of a president on nx's facebook.
Quote from: Chris on April 02, 2016, 05:46:17 PM
Just seen a picture of a cat having a nose at the cab of a president on nx's facebook.
4038
https://www.facebook.com/nxwestmidlands/photos/a.373247266053647.97051.204017859643256/1139904226054610/?type=3&theater
Whatever happened to the 6 11C boards which were supposed to go to PB then ?!i I remember them supposed to be going back in January but we're in April !
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on April 03, 2016, 07:31:41 PM
Whatever happened to the 6 11C boards which were supposed to go to PB then ?!i I remember them supposed to be going back in January but we're in April !
That was a rumour. I don't remember anyone saying they were going to PB in Janurary.
Was on 2203 earlier. It now has a sticker next to the cctv monitor explaining that the bus will turn off when stopped. However it didn't turn off once this journey. Not at traffic lights or bus stops!
Quote from: Gareth on April 04, 2016, 03:29:30 PM
Was on 2203 earlier. It now has a sticker next to the cctv monitor explaining that the bus will turn off when stopped. However it didn't turn off once this journey. Not at traffic lights or bus stops!
I have noticed that with 2203 the driver must be able to somehow override the stop/start system whereas 2204 when I caught it on the 72 last week still switches off at bus stops, lights and back on when drivers ready to pull off
Quote from: Squiz1971 on April 04, 2016, 04:12:48 PM
I have noticed that with 2203 the driver must be able to somehow override the stop/start system whereas 2204 when I caught it on the 72 last week still switches off at bus stops, lights and back on when drivers ready to pull off
Isn't it when the handbrake is applied?
Quote from: Dom on April 04, 2016, 04:14:31 PM
Isn't it when the handbrake is applied?
Possibly
@Dom and pressing the accelerator slightly to keep it running as well though I may be wrong on that of course
Quote from: Squiz1971 on April 04, 2016, 04:23:58 PM
Possibly @Dom and pressing the accelerator slightly to keep it running as well though I may be wrong on that of course
I'm sure it is the same as the B5H's
Quote from: Dom on April 04, 2016, 05:04:44 PM
I'm sure it is the same as the B5H's
The Volvo B5's are actually quite nice to travel on. 2203/4 are awful! I dread it when either of those pull up. The stop/start is quite noisey and violent.
Quote from: Gareth on April 04, 2016, 05:32:05 PM
The Volvo B5's are actually quite nice to travel on. 2203/4 are awful! I dread it when either of those pull up. The stop/start is quite noisey and violent.
Haven't tried 2203/4 yet, have been meaning to track them down but not had time to as of yet.
I've had 2203 - it was fine - the stop/start was not bad at all; fairly smooth. Did of course have a couple commenting on the engine going off and on ;)
Seeing as AG have offloaded a Presidents to WA & Dundee, I'm assuming these vehicles are spares they still had when the 73 left for BC ?
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on April 06, 2016, 02:15:00 PM
Seeing as AG have offloaded a Presidents to WA & Dundee, I'm assuming these vehicles are spares they still had when the 73 left for BC ?
4076 was not a AG President it was a WA President, 4076 is the only one which has gone to Dundee recently.
The two that have gone to WA were paint floats.
Just got of 2242 on the 72, on diversion are AGs drivers not aware of the diversion?
From Saltley Viaduct the driver continued up the Washwood Heath Road as normal and past the road closed sign at Saltley Gate though the 55 (1799) and 94 infront went down the Alum Rock Road, he continued along there until he got stuk, he tried to reverse to turn round but couldn't and then turned left onto Bennetts Road he then had to reverse to get back onto the Washwood Heath Road and turn round, he then went back down the Washwood Heath Road to Saltley Gate and down the Alum Rock Road. He then continued the diversion as normal until the bus got to The Fox And Goose were the bus then went down Bromford Lane though the NX website it says he should of turned right and used the Washwood Heath Road, don't know were he went next as I got off at the second stop on the Bromford Lane but, from there he continued to follow the Outer Circle route.
I think he most likely would have missed out Drews Lane altogether and used the normal line of route from Bromford Road.
18:55 from the City Centre.
Quote from: Dom on April 04, 2016, 04:14:31 PM
Isn't it when the handbrake is applied?
Yes it is when the handbrake is applied or when the doors open and the door interlock is activated otherwise you can just keep your foot on the brake on the engine will carry on running although there is a switch inside the cab I think that you can turn the auto stop off
Just seen that the 37 will no longer serve Olton Station from May 29th. Does anyone know why it will no longer serve it?
Quote from: 2206 on April 18, 2016, 07:23:51 PM
Just seen that the 37 will no longer serve Olton Station from May 29th. Does anyone know why it will no longer serve it?
Seen where?
Quote from: Stu on April 18, 2016, 08:22:38 PM
Seen where?
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/1422/busservicechanges-issued-20160418.pdf
Quote from: 2206 on April 18, 2016, 08:26:45 PM
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/1422/busservicechanges-issued-20160418.pdf
Thanks, just seen it myself. Bit of a surprising move, to be honest, but then again when traffic is bad it can take a while to get round there on and off the Warwick Road, and there doesn't seem to be many passengers getting on and off there. No doubt there will end up being a petition started and the service being reinstated!
37 not serving Olton Station sounds like a plan. Right waste of time turning in there all the time. Especially in the MMCs where the turning circle is not so great.
Guessing they'd just put a stop on the main road for the area. Face it most people on the 37 are doing near as damn it the same route as the train and wouldn't really be getting on or off there. The other routes in the area serve the station as more of a connection with the trains. You couldn't even really say that the 37 connects with other buses there because they all connect with it elsewhere on the route as well
4101 has got a mega rear, to my surprise. Not sure why it's come out sideways.
(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs31.postimg.org%2Fq1q02l20r%2Fimage.jpg&hash=ef293f8f6f3f18534180c27ff47ceb2414edeaef)
Quote from: MW on April 22, 2016, 05:52:32 PM
4101 has got a mega rear, to my surprise. Not sure why it's come out sideways.
(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs31.postimg.org%2Fq1q02l20r%2Fimage.jpg&hash=ef293f8f6f3f18534180c27ff47ceb2414edeaef)
4100 & 4102 should get the same one
Quote from: Tony on April 22, 2016, 05:55:36 PM
4100 & 4102 should get the same one
One of them was at Five Ways on the 1 at about 19:45.
Yeah 4102s got one. It was on the 1 today so it must be the one that was seen today by 2206.
Freshly painted 4524 is out for the first time today on the 37
Quote from: Kevin on April 19, 2016, 06:43:56 AM
Guessing they'd just put a stop on the main road for the area. Face it most people on the 37 are doing near as damn it the same route as the train and wouldn't really be getting on or off there. The other routes in the area serve the station as more of a connection with the trains. You couldn't even really say that the 37 connects with other buses there because they all connect with it elsewhere on the route as well
It'll be a real nuisance for me as that's where I get on. Now I'll have to cross over the busy A41 and walk to the stop near the railway bridge. And if a 30 or 96 came to the stop at the station I could jump on them to Acocks Green. Still, it will save three or four minutes on the 37.
2205 spotted in Selly Oak on rail replacement duties
2235/2249 also on rail replacement today
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on May 22, 2016, 06:30:42 PM
2235/2249 also on rail replacement today
looks like everyone missed me in 2202
Quote from: Tony on May 22, 2016, 06:36:13 PM
looks like everyone missed me in 2202
Would have seen you
@Tony if I hadn't of just come back from the Potteries rally as the Cross City is my local line!
Quote from: 2206 on April 18, 2016, 07:23:51 PM
Just seen that the 37 will no longer serve Olton Station from May 29th. Does anyone know why it will no longer serve it?
There are no notices anywhere at Olton that say the 37 will stop serving the station in 6 days, nor any on the E200s. I wonder if the rerouting has been postponed or cancelled.
Quote from: Stevo on May 22, 2016, 10:55:12 PM
There are no notices anywhere at Olton that say the 37 will stop serving the station in 6 days, nor any on the E200s. I wonder if the rerouting has been postponed or cancelled.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/service-changes/bus-service-changes-in-birmingham-from-29th-may-2016
It's still on here.
4102 is on the 11A today.
I was on 4658 yesterday on the 31 and we had a very interesting journey...Was sat outside Acocks Green Garage for about 10-15 minutes awaiting a driver. When someone eventually turned up, we started moving. Later on in Sparkhill another driver changeover occured, and the one who was on 4658 ran onto another 31 coming the opposite way. Any idea what happened?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 03, 2016, 12:09:42 PM
I was on 4658 yesterday on the 31 and we had a very interesting journey...Was sat outside Acocks Green Garage for about 10-15 minutes awaiting a driver. When someone eventually turned up, we started moving. Later on in Sparkhill another driver changeover occured, and the one who was on 4658 ran onto another 31 coming the opposite way. Any idea what happened?
Driver must have taken over the wrong bus.
Quote from: MW on June 03, 2016, 01:17:55 PM
Driver must have taken over the wrong bus.
Possibly. Although we waited 10 minutes for a driver. And someone else took over further on.
Possibly the driver was late to the takeover point so another driver started that portion for him
Nah it wouldn't be a late driver. If it was late, the bus would have gone back to garage and then adjusted back in when the late driver showed up.
It sounds like the driver who drove to Sparkhill took over the wrong bus, as the relief points are Westley Road and Fox Hollies Road. He probably was on the wrong side of the road which happens more often than you would have thought. I've seen 11C drivers accidentally take over 11As in the past lol.
Quote from: MW on June 03, 2016, 03:36:21 PM
Nah it wouldn't be a late driver. If it was late, the bus would have gone back to garage and then adjusted back in when the late driver showed up.
It sounds like the driver who drove to Sparkhill took over the wrong bus, as the relief points are Westley Road and Fox Hollies Road. He probably was on the wrong side of the road which happens more often than you would have thought. I've seen 11C drivers accidentally take over 11As in the past lol.
What I'm wondering is where the hell did this other driver come from in Sparkhill?
Crimson in Coventry
AG 4641; 4642 & 4643 should all be on the Ricoh Arena shuttles this evening
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 03, 2016, 03:54:12 PM
What I'm wondering is where the hell did this other driver come from in Sparkhill?
Perhaps he was given a lift there by someone else? ;D
11A/C branded 4512 has just passed me near West Bromwich with an engineer driving.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 07, 2016, 01:00:02 PM
11A/C branded 4512 has just passed me near West Bromwich with an engineer driving.
Coming back to West Bromwich maybe ::)? Would never happen anyway :(
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 07, 2016, 09:58:02 PM
Coming back to West Bromwich maybe ::)? Would never happen anyway :(
Well it was heading towards the garage and I'm sure I've seen it around before.
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 07, 2016, 09:58:02 PM
Coming back to West Bromwich maybe ::)? Would never happen anyway :(
Never!!!
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 07, 2016, 01:00:02 PM
11A/C branded 4512 has just passed me near West Bromwich with an engineer driving.
Its on the 11A today.
Quote from: MW on July 13, 2016, 05:55:39 PM
4523 (11 branded) is out on the 1 today. Interestingly, it's gained a Human Appeal mega rear which I've not noticed before. Surely they'd be better off putting that on one of the non branded red and white Geminis. Also, the rear display is showing "01" rather than "1"
Gemini on the 1 aren't rare, there are some on the 1 daily.
Quote from: John on July 13, 2016, 07:16:07 PM
There is only one or two red unbranded ones left, which may go in for repaint before the contract on the ad expires
There are 3 red and white unbranded Gemini left.
4637, 4651 and 4658
@John
Quote from: 2206 on July 13, 2016, 06:05:00 PM
Gemini on the 1 aren't rare, there are some on the 1 daily.
I think he was referring to a branded Gemini being on the 1. The 1 gets any type of bus doesn't it? It certainly used to. I remember back when AG operated Omnilinks and B7RLEs, on any given day you could find an Omnilinks, B7RLE, President and Gemini on there all at once
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 13, 2016, 09:36:01 PM
I think he was referring to a branded Gemini being on the 1. The 1 gets any type of bus doesn't it? It certainly used to. I remember back when AG operated Omnilinks and B7RLEs, on any given day you could find an Omnilinks, B7RLE, President and Gemini on there all at once
Presidents a few Gemini and E200 MMC also on it.
Quote from: 2206 on July 13, 2016, 06:05:00 PM
Gemini on the 1 aren't rare, there are some on the 1 daily.
Lol come on you don't need to give me a smart arse comment do you?
As you know, 4523 is branded up for the Circle, and what I also found noteworthy was the rear display showing "01" and the megarear that I've not seen before.
I saw a 37 branded MMC going up school road in Yardley Wood this evening at about half 7 -8 ish with an engineer at the wheel and a driver by the luggage rack any ideas what it was doing up there??
Quote from: dw1308 on July 14, 2016, 11:49:11 PM
I saw a 37 branded MMC going up school road in Yardley Wood this evening at about half 7 -8 ish with an engineer at the wheel and a driver by the luggage rack any ideas what it was doing up there??
Probably went to YW for something. You do occasionally have YW/AG buses going to each other's garage. It's engineers when I've seen it.
4062 has overheated on Shaftmoor Lane/Shaftmoor Pub.
Crimson 4650 is on 11A today. Seen at Selly Oak at 12:48
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 21, 2016, 02:30:37 PM
Crimson 4650 is on 11A today. Seen at Selly Oak at 12:48
This is a regular occurrence on the 11A or 11C I have seen a variety of crimson Gemini's on the route
Quote from: Squiz1971 on July 21, 2016, 03:37:31 PM
This is a regular occurrence on the 11A or 11C I have seen a variety of crimson Gemini's on the route
Oh right. Thought it was quite uncommon but thanks for letting me know. I know for next time.
Yeah just seen 4650 in Acocks Green about 5-10 mins ago.
You do occasionally get a Crimson on there, although usually there on the short workings to Ward End, and I think one goes onto the 31 and another goes onto the 37. I think the third stays on the Circle, not sure though.
Remember there's only about 37 branded for the Circle. There's 3 Red and White none branded ones too, and then there's four more extra boards (44 in total). It'll be interesting when the ALX400s come into service here. Would make an interesting look on the 11.
I must have missed the detail in my thirst for excitement, but how many ALX400 are expected to move? I'd be sorry to see them go from Slutton.
I was in Solihull earlier and I saw 2214 had a cartoon sun shade placed on the driver window !
The NXWM 71/72 and SUN/CLA 71E are currently on diversion between Church Road/Common Lane and The Radley's due to what I assume is resurfacing work taking place on Church Road just before The Radley's.
Towards Chelmsley Wood;
NXWM 71/72/72E & SUN/CLA 71E - Left onto Common Lane, Right onto Barrows Lane, Right (at the Island) onto Brays Road continuing to The Radleys then left onto Sheldon Heath Road to rejoin normal line of route.
Towards Solihull;
NXWM 71/72 - Right (at the Island) onto Brays Road continuing along until Brays Road/Barrows Lane Jcn then left onto Barrows Lane then left again onto Common Lane then right onto Church Road to rejoin normal line of route.
SUN/CLA 71E - Right (at the Island) onto Brays Road then left (at the Island) onto Horrell Road then right on Church Road to rejoin normal line of route.
I hope all this makes sense :) I witnessed this between 09:40-10:10 also got some footage of the buses performing these moves.
2241 broke down on a 71 towards Sutton at the stop outside Asda Minworth at 14:00.
4292 has ventured out, it's on the 1 this morning.
Quote from: Mike K on July 28, 2016, 07:54:41 AM
4292 has ventured out, it's on the 1 this morning.
Where was it heading to and at what time
@Mike K ?
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 28, 2016, 09:47:02 AM
Where was it heading to and at what time @Mike K ?
Sorry for the late reply. It was just turning onto Harborne Rd up to Five Ways at 7.55 so would have left Five Ways at around 8 or just before.
Thats fine mate. Thanks for the reply, will look for it in a bit :D
Quote from: Mike K on July 28, 2016, 07:54:41 AM
4292 has ventured out, it's on the 1 this morning.
Should have left acocks green at 1147 to five ways. 4294 is also on the 1 and should leave acocks green for five ways at 1227.
Quote from: WMT3000 on July 28, 2016, 12:06:55 PM
Should have left acocks green at 1147 to five ways. 4294 is also on the 1 and should leave acocks green for five ways at 1227.
Ok thanks
@WMT3000
Quote from: Mike K on July 28, 2016, 07:54:41 AM
4292 has ventured out, it's on the 1 this morning.
This will be the first time in a long while that AG has operated voith double deckers since the demise of the legendary MCW Metrobuses in 2010 unless somebody here knows better than me of course.
4292 is on the 11A, at Ward End, Fox And Goose at 14:17.
Not sure which one but there is a 71/72 branded E200MMC on the 1 today.
37 Branded, 2213 is on the 71/72.
37 Branded, 2208 is on the 71/72.
4294 is on the 11A, passed the Fox And Goose about 5 minutes ago.
37 branded, 2221 is also on the 71/72.
If anyone's looking for it 4293 is on the 11c at Bearwood about 8:00
37 branded, 2209 is on the 71/72 today.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 10, 2016, 05:26:15 PM
so is 2222 & 2210 on 72 as I caught the latter earlier this afternoon to Solihull & another is on the 71
2211
Do you guys actually find these branded MMCs interesting to see on other routes?
It happens every day. In fact, the engineers at AG send them anywhere and everywhere. You even get them on the staff bus in case you wanted to note that down too.
Quote from: MW on August 10, 2016, 11:11:22 PM
Do you guys actually find these branded MMCs interesting to see on other routes?
It happens every day. In fact, the engineers at AG send them anywhere and everywhere. You even get them on the staff bus in case you wanted to note that down too.
Yes. I will continue to note it if they are not on the route they are branded for, afterall that is what the thread 'route branded buses off route' is meant for regardless how unusual/usual it is.
Quote from: MW on August 10, 2016, 11:11:22 PM
Do you guys actually find these branded MMCs interesting to see on other routes?
It happens every day. In fact, the engineers at AG send them anywhere and everywhere. You even get them on the staff bus in case you wanted to note that down too.
@MW Can see where you're coming from MW - I'm finding it a bit tedious now coming on the likes of the AG thread to find that new post after new post is of a MMC being 'off its intended route'. I would prefer the thread being left for the interesting news or 'goings-on' rather than a commonplace event of an MMC being reported continuously.
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 11, 2016, 07:21:11 AM
@MW
Can see where you're coming from MW - I'm finding it a bit tedious now coming on the likes of the AG thread to find that new post after new post is of a MMC being 'off its intended route'. I would prefer the thread being left for the interesting news or 'goings-on' rather than a commonplace event of an MMC being reported continuously.
Agreed.
Have people been having training for the 966 upgrades then yet?
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 11, 2016, 03:17:12 AM
Yes. I will continue to note it if they are not on the route they are branded for, afterall that is what the thread 'route branded buses off route' is meant for regardless how unusual/usual it is.
Agreed. The thread isn't called Unusual route branded buses of route.
Quote from: MW on August 10, 2016, 11:11:22 PM
Do you guys actually find these branded MMCs interesting to see on other routes?
It happens every day. In fact, the engineers at AG send them anywhere and everywhere. You even get them on the staff bus in case you wanted to note that down too.
I did but lately its seems commonplace now to see 37 branded on the 71/72 as I saw earlier 2222 is on the 72 again today but cannot be bothered to report it properly any more
@MW. Its now pointless & yes I did notice a couple of times last week & the week before there was an AG staff bus arrive at the Clock Garage usually around 7:40am to become a 72 back to town forgot to mention this before.
Quote from: lauren1993 on August 11, 2016, 03:17:12 AM
Yes. I will continue to note it if they are not on the route they are branded for, afterall that is what the thread 'route branded buses off route' is meant for regardless how unusual/usual it is.
This thread is actually called Acocks Green Garage, not route branded off route
I saw a 37 branded MMC in Coventry today, presumably for some work to be done on it etc
Quote from: 2206 on August 11, 2016, 09:14:49 AM
Agreed. The thread isn't called Unusual route branded buses of route.
This thread is called Acocks Green Garage. Can you, lauren1993 and Squiz please post all your MMC related stuff in the Route Branded Off Route thread rather than this one.
Quote from: MW on August 11, 2016, 04:41:25 PM
This thread is called Acocks Green Garage. Can you, lauren1993 and Squiz please post all your MMC related stuff in the Route Branded Off Route thread rather than this one.
I do normally
@MW but my last comment was a general comment about what you said & nothing really to do with the route branded MMC's being off route
Will all AG Presidents be replaced by ALX400's or will some be replaced by the platinum's when they eventually arrive later this year or early next year?
Quote from: MW on August 10, 2016, 11:11:22 PM
Do you guys actually find these branded MMCs interesting to see on other routes?
It happens every day. In fact, the engineers at AG send them anywhere and everywhere. You even get them on the staff bus in case you wanted to note that down too.
Quote from: Liberator9 on August 11, 2016, 07:21:11 AM
@MW
Can see where you're coming from MW - I'm finding it a bit tedious now coming on the likes of the AG thread to find that new post after new post is of a MMC being 'off its intended route'. I would prefer the thread being left for the interesting news or 'goings-on' rather than a commonplace event of an MMC being reported continuously.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 11, 2016, 01:21:21 PM
I did but lately its seems commonplace now to see 37 branded on the 71/72 as I saw earlier 2222 is on the 72 again today but cannot be bothered to report it properly any more @MW. Its now pointless & yes I did notice a couple of times last week & the week before there was an AG staff bus arrive at the Clock Garage usually around 7:40am to become a 72 back to town forgot to mention this before.
I'm glad it's not just me!
Personally, I'm not bothered about route-branded buses being on other routes, it happens. Occurances that don't happen very often can be a bit of a novelty I suppose, and worth pointing out. But as I've stated previously, and as others have too, the branded E200s at AG are being used on all their E200 routes (37/71/72) every day, so it is a bit tedious, and to be honest boring and not at all interesting to read.
Give it another week or so, and no doubt the forum will be inundated with postings of the various WN branded Eclipses appearing on other routes!
My suggestion would be to reduce the number of branded buses at AG, so there is a better chance of the branded ones actually sticking to their routes. Or combine them and brand them all as 37 / 71 /72! :D
Quote from: Stu on August 11, 2016, 06:56:40 PM
I'm glad it's not just me!
Personally, I'm not bothered about route-branded buses being on other routes, it happens. Occurances that don't happen very often can be a bit of a novelty I suppose, and worth pointing out. But as I've stated previously, and as others have too, the branded E200s at AG are being used on all their E200 routes (37/71/72) every day, so it is a bit tedious, and to be honest boring and not at all interesting to read.
Give it another week or so, and no doubt the forum will be inundated with postings of the various WN branded Eclipses appearing on other routes!
My suggestion would be to reduce the number of branded buses at AG, so there is a better chance of the branded ones actually sticking to their routes. Or combine them and brand them all as 37 / 71 /72! :D
The point has to be, why does a branded bus have to be on that particular route. Surely the branding just advertises a route.
For example, a 9 branded MMC appears on the 246, it is advertising that a service runs between Stourbridge and Birmingham, this is informative to people not on the 9 route.
The branded 9 that appears on the 9 is normally just telling people what they already know IMHO.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 11, 2016, 07:03:15 PM
The point has to be, why does a branded bus have to be on that particular route. Surely the branding just advertises a route.
For example, a 9 branded MMC appears on the 246, it is advertising that a service runs between Stourbridge and Birmingham, this is informative to people not on the 9 route.
The branded 9 that appears on the 9 is normally just telling people what they already know IMHO.
This is how I look at it, its just like an advert for that route, obviously it will have more effect on the route its branded for but no harm in so called 'promoting' the branded route by showcasing it on other routes. At the end off the day its better than no bus operating
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 11, 2016, 07:03:15 PM
The point has to be, why does a branded bus have to be on that particular route. Surely the branding just advertises a route.
For example, a 9 branded MMC appears on the 246, it is advertising that a service runs between Stourbridge and Birmingham, this is informative to people not on the 9 route.
The branded 9 that appears on the 9 is normally just telling people what they already know IMHO.
This .... is quite the astute comment.
Yourself and Stu bring up valid points. Strictly speaking the branding (from the side) is fairly discreet so I doubt many would consider it noteworthy. I'd just about classify it noteworthy if it happened once a week and even then I'd pay attention if their was a lovely female on board. I can see the general interest if a bus was off its route (i.e If a 35 branded E400 pulled into the City Centre on YW6). Even MW (Whose our Inside man at AG) has stated AG just aim to get the single decks out, ideally on their own route but heck it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
After pretty much weeks of almost multiple cross workings per day, I'd say the interest has worn off !
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 11, 2016, 07:03:15 PM
The point has to be, why does a branded bus have to be on that particular route. Surely the branding just advertises a route.
For example, a 9 branded MMC appears on the 246, it is advertising that a service runs between Stourbridge and Birmingham, this is informative to people not on the 9 route.
The branded 9 that appears on the 9 is normally just telling people what they already know IMHO.
Surely how much use it would be would depend on the areas the route served.
Regarding the 71/72 Maybe at the Solihull end of the 71 but, Surely few in Sutton/Walmley/Minworth/Castle Vale have ever used/heard and will never need to use the 37 therefore will most likely find it of no use to them.
Noticed today the sign on 2204 while it was on the 72 stating "I turn off when stopped to save on fuel and my emissions" looks good and in a fairly decent place. Only just been able to ride on 2204 since the sign was fitted as it has been on other routes or on the opposite direction to me on the 72
Saw 4521 going up the Birchfield Road past Perry Barr train Station with passengers on while on the 11C at around 17:00 though a couple of minutes later I saw 4038 on the 11C which followed the normal line of rote. Does anyone know what 4521 was doing? There also was very bad traffic in Witton.
Quote from: 2206 on August 13, 2016, 06:48:00 PM
Saw 4521 going up the Birchfield Road past Perry Barr train Station with passengers on while on the 11C at around 17:00 though a couple of minutes later I saw 4038 on the 11C which followed the normal line of rote. Does anyone know what 4521 was doing? There also was very bad traffic in Witton.
Most likely going up the A34/A453 and turning right onto The Ridgeway past Witton Cemetry and normal line of route.
I know nothing about football timings, but maybe there was a football match and an incident. It's happened before and that's the diversion used.
Quote from: MW on August 13, 2016, 06:55:21 PM
Most likely going up the A34/A453 and turning right onto The Ridgeway past Witton Cemetry and normal line of route.
I know nothing about football timings, but maybe there was a football match and an incident. It's happened before and that's the diversion used.
Thanks for the information
@MW. Did look like there had been a football match.
Quote from: 2206 on August 13, 2016, 06:57:31 PM
Thanks for the information @MW. Did look like there had been a football match.
Aston Villa match would of just finished.
YW 1928 on Acocks Green service 37 from solihull to Birmingham
@Demonstrator4698 YW1928 & 1929 have been on loan at AG since Thursday as I rode on 1929 on the 72 to town &
@John saw 1928 on the 37 the same day see the buses on load thread for more info.
I am waiting to see the ALX 400 on the 966 on a sunday
Quote from: dw1308 on August 17, 2016, 01:56:53 AM
I am waiting to see the ALX 400 on the 966 on a sunday
They are on the 966 during the week as 4292 & 4294 are both on there today saw 4292 by the Travelodge heading towards Erdington while I was on 4638 heading to Solihull
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 17, 2016, 03:10:18 PM
They are on the 966 during the week as 4292 & 4294 are both on there today saw 4292 by the Travelodge heading towards Erdington while I was on 4638 heading to Solihull
It's been a fair few years since a trident of either chassis has been on the 966. I remember when Lea hall were running the service it was all 02 plate tridents although I do remember a 94 branded trident on the route once
Quote from: dw1308 on August 18, 2016, 09:22:51 AM
It's been a fair few years since a trident of either chassis has been on the 966. I remember when Lea hall were running the service it was all 02 plate tridents although I do remember a 94 branded trident on the route once
4292/94 are B7TL/ALX400 not trident's. Lea Hall only ever mainly ran either Y reg or
03 plate Trident's
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 18, 2016, 11:23:40 AM
4292/94 are B7TL/ALX400 not trident's. Lea Hall only ever ran either Y reg or 03 plate Trident's
Lea Hall had 4349.
@Squiz1971 http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4349.html
Quote from: 2206 on August 18, 2016, 11:40:35 AM
Lea Hall had 4349. @Squiz1971
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4349.html
ok my mistake but the majority were as I put
@22064349 was only on a 3 month spell in 2010 before the garage closed whereas the others were there from new
Had a fun ride on 2205 earlier on the 72 to town from Chelmsley Wood, where Chester Road become Bradford Road our driver decided to turn right there & follow the 71 route for awhile apologising as he was a new driver, we all had a laugh over it stating we were going on a mystery tour. Came back onto Bradford/Chester Road at the School Road/The Green and resumed normal route again.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on August 18, 2016, 11:23:40 AM
4292/94 are B7TL/ALX400 not trident's. Lea Hall only ever mainly ran either Y reg or 03 plate Trident's
Yes I know the ALX 400 runs in the B7TL chassis but I group the lot under the trident name as it's just easier to type on a phone keyboard when you are running late for work
Quote from: dw1308 on August 21, 2016, 02:05:07 AM
Yes I know the ALX 400 runs in the B7TL chassis but I group the lot under the trident name as it's just easier to type on a phone keyboard when you are running late for work
Oh right ok no worries lol
Quote from: dw1308 on August 21, 2016, 02:05:07 AM
Yes I know the ALX 400 runs in the B7TL chassis but I group the lot under the trident name as it's just easier to type on a phone keyboard when you are running late for work
Ah that's okay then. I'm grouping all Mercedes and Audi under the BMW name as they come from Germany ;D
4294 is out on the 31 today, looking very out of place! Must look weird on Stratford Road with the swarm of Tridents!
Quote from: MW on August 22, 2016, 06:01:29 PM
4294 is out on the 31 today, looking very out of place! Must look weird on Stratford Road with the swarm of Tridents!
I doubt most people can tell the difference !
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on August 22, 2016, 06:14:55 PM
I doubt most people can tell the difference !
I know the ALX 400 runs in the B7TL chassis but I group the lot under the trident name
Quote from: MW on August 22, 2016, 06:01:29 PM
4294 is out on the 31 today, looking very out of place! Must look weird on Stratford Road with the swarm of Tridents!
The 1 must be a barrel of fun with the variety on there
Surprise surprise there's seems to be a 37 branded bus on the 72 again whoopee doo I do know the fleet number but now there's no point in boasting about it but for those bothered they can look out for it as it overtook me on a normal 72 by Timberley Tesco's heading into town about 15:30
There was a president on the 72e this morning
Quote from: Steveminor on August 24, 2016, 07:33:02 PM
There was a president on the 72e this morning
Yes 4082 operated running board 71:24, a very rare working!
4294 was on the 11A today.
4292 is on the 11C.
4294, 4297 and another are all on the 11A.
4292 was in Handsworth, Church Lane at about 12:30. Taken out of service in Erdington.
4294 was in Handsworth, Church Lane at about 12:20.
4297 passed the Fox And Goose at about 13:10 on a 11E to Perry Barr.
The other was in Witton at about 12:45.
2211 on the 37 today. Have all 2208-11 returned from Plaxton?
Quote from: Eric Shaw on September 05, 2016, 07:11:17 PM
2211 on the 37 today. Have all 2208-11 returned from Plaxton?
Yes
2212; 2213; 2214; 2215 currently at Plaxtons, although I am collecting 2212/3 tomorrow taking 2216 & 2217 up
Quote from: Tony on September 05, 2016, 07:21:50 PM
Yes
2212; 2213; 2214; 2215 currently at Plaxtons, although I am collecting 2212/3 tomorrow taking 2216 & 2217 up
What work are Plaxtons doing on them?
Probably warranty works as they are a year old
Sounds more like they've been recalled for something!
Well I wondered that but as NX are transporting them made me wonder whether they are having some update retro-fitted such as stop/start as part of emissions upgrade programme. No doubt we'll hear eventually!
That's what I hear they're all being fitted with the stop start technology as it has shown extremely good fuel economy
Quote from: Steveminor on September 06, 2016, 07:35:08 AM
That's what I hear they're all being fitted with the stop start technology as it has shown extremely good fuel economy
You heard wrong. They are going to Plaxtons for low carbon certification
4294 & another ALX400 B7 are on the 11A today saw 4294 by Drews Lane & 4298 I think deffo a BU51 plate on Stoney Lane by lights couldn't quite make out the fleet number properly as I was waiting for the 97 by the cop shop to go to Chelmsley
Quote from: Tony on September 06, 2016, 08:04:44 AM
You heard wrong. They are going to Plaxtons for low carbon certification
Thanks for clarification.
4705 on 37 when did this come over ?
Quote from: Jaysnerz007 on September 08, 2016, 05:36:32 PM
4705 on 37 when did this come over ?
According to the recent changes, thats in the reserve fleet.
Must of came out of reserve.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on September 08, 2016, 05:38:41 PM
According to the recent changes, thats in the reserve fleet.
So were 4040 & 4071 but quickly re-instated to AG is Sept (see Main Site fleetchanges for Sept)
Quote from: Jaysnerz007 on September 08, 2016, 05:36:32 PM
4705 on 37 when did this come over ?
eh? 4705 is in the paintshop being painted Green
4700/1/2 are parked in Miller Street
4703/4/7 are also in paint for Dundee
4706 is parked in WB garage
4710/1/2 are all in service at WB
If you type in 4705 to the radio have a look what comes up !!!
4705 answers to 4071 when you connect !!
Quote from: Jaysnerz007 on September 08, 2016, 05:48:11 PM
If you type in 4705 to the radio have a look what comes up !!!
I don't need to, I can see the GPS and 4705 is clearly at Walsall with all radio equipment removed ready for me taking it to Dundee.
I suspect the vehicle showing on the radio system as 4705 is actually 4071
Quote from: Jaysnerz007 on September 08, 2016, 05:49:49 PM
4705 answers to 4071 when you connect !!
Which is why the rules on this forum are post what you actually know as fact
Quote from: Winston on September 08, 2016, 05:40:18 PM
So were 4040 & 4071 but quickly re-instated to AG is Sept (see Main Site fleetchanges for Sept)
I'm aware of AGs newest "arrivals" as I consulted the fleeetchanges to avoid any mistakes as I was surprised a 47** Gemini would be doing an AG route !
4292 - 11C
4293 - 11A
4297 - 11A
4300 - 11C
4301 - 1
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on September 08, 2016, 06:04:54 PM
I'm aware of AGs newest "arrivals" as I consulted the fleeetchanges to avoid any mistakes as I was surprised a 47** Gemini would be doing an AG route !
Even if they weren't going to Dundee you would never get a 47xx Gemini at AG because they are two inches taller than all the other Geminis, so wouldn't fit under the bridge on the 5 route, so too much of a risk one even being in the garage.
Quote from: Tony on September 08, 2016, 06:16:52 PM
Even if they weren't going to Dundee you would never get a 47xx Gemini at AG because they are two inches taller than all the other Geminis, so wouldn't fit under the bridge on the 5 route, so too much of a risk one even being in the garage.
I did not realise that the 47** batch of Gems were taller than the previous batches of the same bus as they don't look any higher but then again I haven't really seen them side by side to make that comparison
Sorry Tony i was only asking as it came up on the radio. Theres a radio programming issue with 4071 because on the radio its showing as 4705
For the benefit of those that get excited about these sort of things, 4298 was on the 31 this evening. ;)
4297 - 1
4300 - 1
4300 - 1
Quote from: 2206 on September 14, 2016, 04:10:01 PM
4300 - 1
It's on an allocated running board we don't need to know this every day
Noted 2203 being towed yesterday evening just outside Walsall heading towards willenhall on 529 route.
Quote from: 37351ml on September 16, 2016, 08:42:03 AM
Noted 2203 being towed yesterday evening just outside Walsall heading towards willenhall on 529 route.
The only thing I can think of there is maybe it was going to WN? The Alexander Dennis thing based there maybe?
It's really weird seeing one of box things with a rear grill on the 11 today, they look at state. I don't remember the metros looking that bD when they were old .
Quote from: monkeyjoe on September 17, 2016, 08:54:25 PM
It's really weird seeing one of box things with a rear grill on the 11 today, they look at state. I don't remember the metros looking that bD when they were old .
I think part of the reason was the Metros had much plainer bodywork so when you see pictures of them 20+ years old still in service, they really didn't look a lot different to when new. The red stripe livery also helped I think as I don't think the red white on buses like 4300 help them look any better. That grill on the back is also ugly as it's not symmetrical. I'd also say that the metros were probably loved more by the company and engineers etc so we're probably looked after better too.
Quote from: j789 on September 18, 2016, 10:21:18 AM
I think part of the reason was the Metros had much plainer bodywork so when you see pictures of them 20+ years old still in service, they really didn't look a lot different to when new. The red stripe livery also helped I think as I don't think the red white on buses like 4300 help them look any better. That grill on the back is also ugly as it's not symmetrical. I'd also say that the metros were probably loved more by the company and engineers etc so we're probably looked after better too.
This is partly subjective I think. Some of the Metros operating out of Walsall garage at the death were pretty disreputable looking - which was part of their charm and appeal. Also, no two machines were identical in the smaller details, which added to the fleet's character.
Certainly the red and white livery shows the dirt, and dents or uneven panels which act as dirt traps too. It was a very impractical livery to keep fresh, and the connecting bars version looks fussy and doesn't wear well.
However, all the fleet has to be mechanically looked after to a uniformly high standard - I don't think there's any place for corporate sentimentality at the likes of National Express.
@Rob2832 I saw 4526 at the Mackadown turning into St Giles Road from East Meadway heading towards Chelmsley about 9:25 but couldn't see the fleet number properly I think it was on a 72E to Chelmsley Wood but may of been on a full route run or even a 71. Thought it was an odd sight seeing a crimson Gemini at those lights
Quote from: Squiz1971 on September 21, 2016, 04:39:02 PM
@Rob2832 I saw 4526 at the Mackadown turning into St Giles Road from East Meadway heading towards Chelmsley about 9:25 but couldn't see the fleet number properly I think it was on a 72E to Chelmsley Wood but may of been on a full route run or even a 71. Thought it was an odd sight seeing a crimson Gemini at those lights
It would be impossible for it to be a 71.
Quote from: 2206 on September 21, 2016, 04:40:22 PM
It would be impossible for it to be a 71.
Due to low bridges I would gather
@2206? Though in saying that was a YW Placky on a 71 board which did the YW 72e board as well last week or a couple of weeks IIRC
Quote from: Squiz1971 on September 21, 2016, 04:54:10 PM
Due to low bridges I would gather @2206? Though in saying that was a YW Placky on a 71 board which did the YW 72e board as well last week or a couple of weeks IIRC
Yes there is a low bridge on Park Lane in Castle Vale.
Discovered this today. If you have a drink at the 11 pubs on the 11, you win a prize...
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/campaigns/ale-trail/
Quote from: Adam 404 on September 25, 2016, 05:58:43 PM
Discovered this today. If you have a drink at the 11 pubs on the 11, you win a prize...
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/campaigns/ale-trail/
I think I'd be sick all over the final bus after that pub crawl.
Quote from: Adam 404 on September 25, 2016, 05:58:43 PM
Discovered this today. If you have a drink at the 11 pubs on the 11, you win a prize...
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/campaigns/ale-trail/
It's nothing. I've done 18 pubs on a 11 pub crawl once.
Start at breakfast etc....
Got an excuse to do it again though now :D
4292 on the 37. Should nearly be in Solihull now
4293 too, a couple of buses behind 4292
Quote from: John on September 27, 2016, 12:19:10 PM
4292 on the 37. Should nearly be in Solihull now
4293 too, a couple of buses behind 4292
4301 was on it yesterday
Quote from: Kevin on September 25, 2016, 09:10:18 PM
It's nothing. I've done 18 pubs on a 11 pub crawl once.
Start at breakfast etc....
Got an excuse to do it again though now :D
Seems to me from looking at the suggested pubs that plenty of drinking time is 'wasted' going off-route.
Need to see how many other juicers are closer to the stops.
Anyway- what's the point in getting on a bus when you can sit with your glass at the table outside the Inn on the Green and they'll all come past you?
Quote from: Stevo on September 28, 2016, 09:13:32 PM
Anyway- what's the point in getting on a bus when you can sit with your glass at the table outside the Inn on the Green and they'll all come past you?
But.....
Pub crawl....
Pretty sure it was in service; lights on and everything, driving through Bearwood
11 branded Gemini going through Bearwood High Street (11C direction), supposedly terminating at Acocks Green. All was understandable, until I saw the destination was for the '1E' and not '11E'... Quite amusing, I must say, to see the 1 in Bearwood.
Quote from: clayderman on October 12, 2016, 08:47:45 PM
Pretty sure it was in service; lights on and everything, driving through Bearwood
11 branded Gemini going through Bearwood High Street (11C direction), supposedly terminating at Acocks Green. All was understandable, until I saw the destination was for the '1E' and not '11E'... Quite amusing, I must say, to see the 1 in Bearwood.
Was it 4665?
Unless I'm hallucinating I think I just seen a E400MMC inside AG !
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 13, 2016, 11:40:21 AM
Unless I'm hallucinating I think I just seen a E400MMC inside AG !
Probably a visitor from Yardley Wood. May also be a private hire if it's 6147/6148.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 13, 2016, 11:40:21 AM
Unless I'm hallucinating I think I just seen a E400MMC inside AG !
Driver training for when the 966 gets the transfers from Birmingham???
Quote from: Adam 404 on October 13, 2016, 03:36:31 PM
Driver training for when the 966 gets the transfers from Birmingham???
Wouldn't it have been better to get a Platinum from BC ?
I may be wrong, but I thought the E200mmc could be used as driver training for the E400mmc And AG already has 50 of them!
Quote from: Gareth on October 13, 2016, 04:02:10 PM
I may be wrong, but I thought the E200mmc could be used as driver training for the E400mmc And AG already has 50 of them!
Yep. You're right. We were type trained on 6148. Same cabin. Platinum has a microphone and may have some sort of switch gear for the next stop announcement stuff.
E400MMCs do occasionally turn up at AG when there's private hire work.
Quote from: MW on October 12, 2016, 11:45:00 PM
Was it 4665?
Sorry for the late reply.
It might have been. Definitely had an LED display.
Quote from: MW on October 13, 2016, 04:15:08 PM
Yep. You're right. We were type trained on 6148. Same cabin. Platinum has a microphone and may have some sort of switch gear for the next stop announcement stuff.
E400MMCs do occasionally turn up at AG when there's private hire work.
The announcements are linked to the Hanover input screen so all automatic
4300 is on the 966 today.
4295 is on the 966.
Unidentified Branded AG Gemini was being housed in former Hockley Garage last night for Birmingham Beer Festival. Promoting the Outer Circle Ale Trail, I wonder? Nice to see the infrastructure being used for what it once was. ;)
Sidenote: No, I wasn't attending. :P I used the open car park as a shortcut to and from Hockley Circus, which is where I spotted it.
Edit: Photo
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122377951@N02/30629207566/in/dateposted-public/
Quote from: clayderman on October 30, 2016, 04:20:08 PM
Unidentified Branded AG Gemini was being housed in former Hockley Garage last night for Birmingham Beer Festival. Promoting the Outer Circle Ale Trail, I wonder? Nice to see the infrastructure being used for what it once was. ;)
Sidenote: No, I wasn't attending. :P I used the open car park as a shortcut to and from Hockley Circus, which is where I spotted it.
Edit: Photo
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122377951@N02/30629207566/in/dateposted-public/
4673
4294 now has a front LED destination display. Saw it about 08:00 in Acocks Green on a 11E (11C) to Kings Heath.
4091 -966 noted 08.35 in solihull
Saw 2240, with the thicker nearside fleet numbers heading for Birmingham on the A38. Presumably returning from Scarborough.
4080-966 departed Solihull just after 18:00
2209 noted on rail replacement in Lichfield this morning.
YW1919 out on the 1 today.
Also noticed that 4096 is making an interesting howl (Gearbox). Sounds good.
Quote from: tphi12000 on November 13, 2016, 02:22:01 PM
2209 noted on rail replacement in Lichfield this morning.
Any idea why Perry Barr don't do rail replacements anymore? From what I can remember Perry Barr used to all the rail contracts!
Do the 5/31 interwork on Sundays ?
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on November 20, 2016, 05:14:19 PM
Do the 5/31 interwork on Sundays ?
Not that I know of. There might be a couple of boards that switch over in the evening though
Quote from: MW on November 20, 2016, 06:02:16 PM
Not that I know of. There might be a couple of boards that switch over in the evening though
I ask because I caught the 31 to Shirley, I got off there and caught the 5 to Solihull after popping into a shop as I was a few stops away from the town centre, I saw an outbound 5 with the same guy driving my 31 a bit earlier.
It does sound like interworking but for all I know he might have taken over a different bus as I didn't catch the fleet number or something else might have happened.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on November 20, 2016, 05:14:19 PM
Do the 5/31 interwork on Sundays ?
There is at least one diagram I know of where a bus off the 5 goes onto 31's. Sometime between 1830 and 1900 in Solihull.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on November 20, 2016, 09:52:04 PM
I ask because I caught the 31 to Shirley, I got off there and caught the 5 to Solihull after popping into a shop as I was a few stops away from the town centre, I saw an outbound 5 with the same guy driving my 31 a bit earlier.
It does sound like interworking but for all I know he might have taken over a different bus as I didn't catch the fleet number or something else might have happened.
When you say interworking, do you mean after every journey it swaps?
Monday to Friday there's a couple of 5 boards that leave from Acocks Green to either City or Solihull, then begin the 5 and one becomes a late night 31.
Not sure if it still happens, but there's a bus that comes off the 72 that goes onto the late night 31, although this may have changed.
There's also one 37 that terminates in Acocks Green village and runs dead to Robin Hood and becomes a late night 31.
Just seen a picture on flickr of 4062, 4040 and 4023 now withdrawn at Miller Street. Plus another of 4067 withdrawn at MS.
Quote from: 2206 on November 26, 2016, 07:46:40 PM
Just seen a picture on flickr of 4062, 4040 and 4023 now withdrawn at Miller Street. Plus another of 4067 withdrawn at MS.
If you have viewed the same Flickr pics as I have, the poster makes mention of 4100 being there as well, so potentially 4023/40/62/67/100 all gone from AG. Fire damaged 4255 appears to be withdrawn at MS too.
4040 is still in service at AG. It's the best President there
Quote from: Tony on November 26, 2016, 10:52:57 PM
4040 is still in service at AG. It's the best President there
Bet it spends most of its time on the a4040 quite ironic
E200 22X5 (couldn't see third digit) crossing a motorway bridge near Doncaster last Saturday, reason obscure.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on November 29, 2016, 01:11:25 PM
E200 22X5 (couldn't see third digit) crossing a motorway bridge near Doncaster last Saturday, reason obscure.
2245, me delivering it to Plaxtons
Quote from: Tony on November 29, 2016, 01:20:47 PM
2245, me delivering it to Plaxtons
You must be in line for the 'NXWM most miles driven in a year' prize, what with the Plaxton and Dundee runs!!
Quote from: Tony on November 29, 2016, 01:20:47 PM
2245, me delivering it to Plaxtons
Apologies for any momentary blindness caused by the Tango2 orange VW T5 I was piloting underneath at that precise moment! 8)
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on November 26, 2016, 04:17:58 PM
Good thing I didn't go looking for it then... May not see service again then
4092 is out on the 11A. Outside AG garage at about 17:00 and at the Fox and Goose half an hour ago.
Quote from: 2206 on November 30, 2016, 06:14:35 PM
4092 is out on the 11A. Outside AG garage at about 17:00 and at the Fox and Goose half an hour ago.
So?
Plenty of ALX400s on the 37, 4293, 4294, 4296, 4300 and 4302 are ones I've seen and heard about
@dingding,
@2206 not really sure ALX400s on the 37 are noteworthy. I've seen at least on there most days in the last couple of weeks
Quote from: Sh4318 on December 10, 2016, 04:22:31 PM
@dingding, @2206 not really sure ALX400s on the 37 are noteworthy. I've seen at least on there most days in the last couple of weeks
The 37 seems to get anything, but Presidents.
"AG bus on an AG route" 8)
With an increasing number of ALX400s at AG now, I suppose it is inevitable that they will be used on the 37, as well as the 31, when needed, especially if there are no problems with them operating on city centre routes, unlike the Presidents, which I imagine will just be kept to the 1 and 11A/C.
Quote from: 2206 on December 10, 2016, 04:34:05 PM
The 37 seems to get anything, but Presidents.
Probably less likely now, but Presidents have sneaked on, on rare occasions.
Platinum on the 966....
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on December 14, 2016, 03:27:53 PM
Platinum on the 966....
@Matt.N0056 its 6702 ex BC
AG are meant to have 6701-6710.
6702 is out on 966
Currently at Solihull (Touchwood) ready for its next Erdington trip
6702 currently sat at Tamworth Football Club, just out of curiosity as this and 6701 are Tacho'ed, have any of the new E400MMCs been delivered with Tacho's to replace these at BC?
Saw Tony this morning in an AG E200mmc , A38 Plaxton bound I assume.
Quote from: BN on December 19, 2016, 05:55:00 PM
Saw Tony this morning in an AG E200mmc , A38 Plaxton bound I assume.
Yes, took 2204 to Plaxtons, which is the last of the 50 to go, brought 2245 back, so just 2231; 2203 & 2204 left to return.
As well as all the normal mods, 2204 will also get a new engine so Alexander-Dennis can have a look at the effects of doing 57,000 miles with a stop start gearbox to see if any extra wear is present
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2016, 06:02:53 PM
Yes, took 2204 to Plaxtons, which is the last of the 50 to go, brought 2245 back, so just 2231; 2203 & 2204 left to return.
As well as all the normal mods, 2204 will also get a new engine so Alexander-Dennis can have a look at the effects of doing 57,000 miles with a stop start gearbox to see if any extra wear is present
Will 2203 be getting the same treatment or is it only for 2204 @Tony
Quote from: Michael Bevan on December 21, 2016, 10:04:41 AM
4300 on AG37.
Not unusual. They appear on the 37 quite often, another was on the 37 yesterday.
Quote from: 2206 on December 21, 2016, 06:58:24 PM
Not unusual. They appear on the 37 quite often, another was on the 37 yesterday.
Correct, I had already updated my Google Sheet accordingly. I guess that as the ALX400 B7TLs don't fall foul of city centre emissions requirements (yet) they will be just as likely to appear on any other city centre route. Except perhaps the 5?
Quote from: Stu on December 21, 2016, 07:04:25 PM
Correct, I had already updated my Google Sheet accordingly. I guess that as the ALX400 B7TLs don't fall foul of city centre emissions requirements (yet) they will be just as likely to appear on any other city centre route. Except perhaps the 5?
They are cleared for the bridge as well so can go on the 5
Quote from: Tony on December 21, 2016, 07:10:28 PM
They are cleared for the bridge as well so can go on the 5
Thanks for the clarification! One other quick question, now the 966 has gone 'Platinum', I presume these will be the vehicle type also normally used on Sundays now? And if so, do you know yet if any 'spare' Platinum vehicles will be allocated to other routes on Sunday, as happens at other garages?
Quote from: Stu on December 21, 2016, 08:31:04 PM
Thanks for the clarification! One other quick question, now the 966 has gone 'Platinum', I presume these will be the vehicle type also normally used on Sundays now? And if so, do you know yet if any 'spare' Platinum vehicles will be allocated to other routes on Sunday, as happens at other garages?
I did come across 2 on the 966 today without a Gemini in sight. Hope that is helpful.
6704 - https://www.facebook.com/369276339910972/photos/a.439914699513802.1073742008.369276339910972/638644146307522/?type=3&theater
Quote from: Bususer79 on December 22, 2016, 10:01:05 AM
Platinum 6704bc just seen 10am on 966 at chelmsley wood leaving interchange
@Bususer79 , 6701-6710 are now AG buses, and the 966 is now a Platinum route.
Quote from: Tony on December 21, 2016, 07:10:28 PM
They are cleared for the bridge as well so can go on the 5
Spotted 4298 on there this evening, so I guess won't be noteworthy now!
Quote from: Stu on December 22, 2016, 06:31:09 PM
@Bususer79 , 6701-6710 are now AG buses, and the 966 is now a Platinum route.
Spotted 4298 on there this evening, so I guess won't be noteworthy now!
I don't think 6705 is at AG yet? Not seen anything that says its transfered
@Stu?
6708 is out on the 1, looking rather posh
Quote from: 2206 on December 22, 2016, 06:34:36 PM
Is 6705 at AG yet? Not seen anything that says its transfered @Stu?
If it hasn't yet, it soon will be.
10 buses does seem a lot for just the 966, do they know something about any changes that we don't?
Quote from: Kevin on December 22, 2016, 07:18:04 PM
10 buses does seem a lot for just the 966, do they know something about any changes that we don't?
The PVR is 6 as far as I'm aware (or it was a few years ago).
Quote from: Kevin on December 22, 2016, 07:18:04 PM
10 buses does seem a lot for just the 966, do they know something about any changes that we don't?
I am hoping these rumours of x72 merging of 72 to castle brom then the 966 joined maybe true. That could make 10 possibly??
A Outer Circle branded Gemini has just driven up Saint Margarets Road in Ward End. Presumably lost.
Quote from: 2206 on December 27, 2016, 06:04:13 PM
A Outer Circle branded Gemini has just driven up Saint Margrets Road in Ward End. Presumably lost.
police has closed the Bromford Lane by ST Margarates Road for 11C only.
Diversion as : right ST Margarated Road left Washwood Heath Road right Bromford Lane normal line of route.
Quote from: Tony on January 04, 2017, 04:21:16 PM
My last drive of 2016 was fetching 2231 back from Plaxton
First drive if 2017 was 95 on the 420/410, First bus of 2017 was fetching 2204 back today
2204 drove through Erdington at about 15:30 today, with happy new year on the destination display.
I find it amazing that even though the vehicle has been transferred to AG 6709 is still displaying stickers inside for the 900/X1
Quote from: dw1308 on January 05, 2017, 10:22:33 AM
I find it amazing that even though the vehicle has been transferred to AG 6709 is still displaying stickers inside for the 900/X1
We had 2503 at Lea Hall for years with branding for the 51 upstairs.
Few of the WN Tridents which have transferred to YW still had posters regarding black county services.
It was just a little bit strange on the 966 to look up and see the 900 route map haha
This may be a silly question but has the 5 always been an AG route? I always thought that the 5/6 would operate from the same garage.
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 07, 2017, 01:26:47 PM
This may be a silly question but has the 5 always been an AG route? I always thought that the 5/6 would operate from the same garage.
This has also occurred to me before. I once posted that a "B7RLE was on the 5/6" - which was when it was first brought to my attention that they hadn't been operating from the same garage for a while. (especially since YW don't operate B7RLEs lol)
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4225-4474/4370.html
the photo of 4370 on the 5 seems to show it was a YW prior to AG, if I'm not mistaken. ;) There was also a 5A route? ???
Point is, there's plenty of photos on the main site of Tridents operating the 5(A) which seems to indicate that the route(s) haven't always been at AG. :)
Quote from: MasterPlan on January 07, 2017, 01:26:47 PM
This may be a silly question but has the 5 always been an AG route? I always thought that the 5/6 would operate from the same garage.
The Stratford Road group of services S3, 4, 5 and 6 (S3 was replaced by rerouting the 4 which was in turn withdrawn by rerouting the 5) were all YW operated. The 5 passed to AG
I think at the time that the 76 was extended to the QE and transferred to YW. Some years back the routes were:
S3 City - Baldwins Lane / Shirley Station
4 City - Cheswick Green
5 City - Widney (peak only)
6 City - Solihull
The 5 as it is now was introduced at the Solihull Review, which was in 2009. At this time it was operated by YW, while AG operated the 76, which at the time ran between Damsonwood and Pool Farm. The 76 was shortened to Solihull-Kings Heath, with the S1 replacing the loop around Damsonwood.
It was a few months later, that the two routes swapped garages, possibly as part of the South Birmingham Review in 2009?
At the time I was working on Highlands Road in Shirley, and one day noticed the 5 was being operated by Geminis, rather than Tridents.
Thanks for the detailed replies guys. Makes more sense now :).
The 5A was the 6 between Birmingham and Shirley and the 5 between Shirley and Solihull.
Early morning journeys from Birmingham. It was basically faster to get to Monkspath/Solihull 6th Form than the regular 5. I believe it's now run by YW as the 6A.
Quote from: MW on January 08, 2017, 12:44:43 AM
The 5A was the 6 between Birmingham and Shirley and the 5 between Shirley and Solihull.
Early morning journeys from Birmingham. It was basically faster to get to Monkspath/Solihull 6th Form than the regular 5. I believe it's now run by YW as the 6A.
The 6A is a slightly different route to the 5A; goes straight down Monkspath Hall Road, rather than around the estate
6708 is on the 37 today. In Acocks Green at about 15:30 going to Solihull.
4253 is on the 11A today. In Acocks Green at 15:30.
Quote from: 2206 on January 10, 2017, 04:41:03 PM
6708 is on the 37 today. In Acocks Green at about 15:30 going to Solihull.
4253 is on the 11A today. In Acocks Green at 15:30.
Aren't the alx 400s now norm on 11A since the presidents have gone???
Quote from: Chris on January 10, 2017, 05:34:15 PM
Aren't the alx 400s now norm on 11A since the presidents have gone???
Yes. 4253 is a recent transfer though, first time i've seen it in service at AG. It was still at PB on the 16 on Wednesday last week.
Another platinum on the 1 today, didn't catch the number
Quote from: 1907 on January 11, 2017, 07:05:45 PM
Another platinum on the 1 today, didn't catch the number
6703 I think
6708 is on the 1 today.
Quote from: 2206 on January 12, 2017, 04:41:06 PM
6708 is on the 1 today.
As can probably have been surmised by now AG have been told to allocate spare Platinums to the 1 at the moment, so there are about 3 on there every day
6710 on the 37 today.
Quote from: Tony on January 12, 2017, 05:03:01 PM
As can probably have been surmised by now AG have been told to allocate spare Platinums to the 1 at the moment, so there are about 3 on there every day
At the moment. I wonder what's to come then. A route that only needs 2-3 buses, or an increase in frequency/extension of route on the 966.
Quote from: MW on January 12, 2017, 05:37:30 PM
At the moment. I wonder what's to come then. A route that only needs 2-3 buses, or an increase in frequency/extension of route on the 966.
I'm guessing that something is in the pipeline, which is also probably why the 966 Platinum 'upgrade' has not been publicised by NX Bus, and why no branding has been applied yet.
Still hoping it's this merging of the 72 and the 966 .
Does seem very strange to me though that they'd upgrade the route then amend it, because unless it's a frequency increase then there's going to be customers that feel hard done by
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 12, 2017, 10:30:04 PM
Still hoping it's this merging of the 72 and the 966 .
Why do you even care? You've already admitted to being an Uber w***** when up here
Still have an interest or wouldn't be on here I guess ::)
Been told a double decker drove down Morris Road in Ward End at about 19:40 today going towards The Fox and Goose, a B7TL ALX400/Trident(?). Does anyone know what it was doing?
Quote from: 2206 on January 14, 2017, 08:20:28 PM
Been told a double decker drove down Morris Road in Ward End at about 19:40 today, a B7TL ALX400(?). Does anyone know what it was doing?
Washwood Heath is still closed overnight tonight for roadworks, even though it should have finished last night. Might be one of ours on the 94
Quote from: John on January 14, 2017, 08:39:35 PM
Washwood Heath is still closed overnight tonight for roadworks, even though it should have finished last night. Might be one of ours on the 94
Thanks for the info, could have also have been one of Birmingham Centrals Tridents on the 19:30 56 from Birmingham City Centre to Kingshurst then.
I think it was 4596 on the 56.
1922 on the 72 this afternoon.
While I was on a rare trip on the 37 this morning to work, I noticed 6701 passing the opposite way through Greet.
Any reason why all the 'generic' Platinum branding it had while at BC has been removed? Wouldn't have hurt to leave it on for now, I would have thought?
They do look very dull without branding - the red lifts the rather gloomy greys.
Quote from: Stu on January 18, 2017, 06:54:39 PM
While I was on a rare trip on the 37 this morning to work, I noticed 6701 passing the opposite way through Greet.
Any reason why all the 'generic' Platinum branding it had while at BC has been removed? Wouldn't have hurt to leave it on for now, I would have thought?
On the 1 today, its only been removed on the one side.
Quote from: 2206 on January 19, 2017, 05:40:46 PM
On the 1 today, its only been removed on the one side.
Possibly to make way for an advert frame, as seen on 6850-6854.
I noticed three buses on the 72 are the 37 branded vehicles , could this be some of the ones with 71/72 branding are being re done for pending changes
Quote from: monkeyjoe on January 21, 2017, 02:11:14 PM
I noticed three buses on the 72 are the 37 branded vehicles , could this be some of the ones with 71/72 branding are being re done for pending changes
Many 37 branded E200 MMC are on the 71 and 72 every day and have been for a while now.
The 1 is the same, branded E200 MMC are on there nearly every day during the week.
Quote from: 2206 on January 21, 2017, 02:45:52 PM
Many 37 branded E200 MMC are on the 71 and 72 every day and have been for a while now.
The 1 is the same, branded E200 MMC are on there nearly every day during the week.
We all know that, because you keep posting them every day! :-\
Presumably the later E200s are at Plaxtons. The later ones are obviously 71/72 branded.
Quote from: MW on January 21, 2017, 03:49:19 PM
Presumably the later E200s are at Plaxtons. The later ones are obviously 71/72 branded.
Thought they've all been done and returned to AG now?
Quote from: 2206 on January 21, 2017, 03:55:01 PM
Thought they've all been done and returned to AG now?
I'm not sure. It'd explain all the Scanias hanging around
I have been wondering why AG has some scanias floating about. What is wrong with the e200 mmcs atm then?
Quote from: dw1308 on January 23, 2017, 01:42:00 AM
I have been wondering why AG has some scanias floating about. What is wrong with the e200 mmcs atm then?
They were having mods fitted to them. Something to do with emissions I believe. I think (don't quote me on this) they were having the panel between the front doors and the front nearside wheel replaced (and possibly underneath the doors). I know they were getting damaged when using the kneeling suspension.
That would explain why they now seem to have thicker fleet number transfers on the side.
Quote from: Stevo on January 23, 2017, 08:49:22 PM
That would explain why they now seem to have thicker fleet number transfers on the side.
A couple weeks after they were on the road, there were various notices around AG depot informing drivers of this fault. A lot of drivers are lazy and don't pull upto stops correctly, and therefore bash the front nearside off of the Kassel Kerbs when lowering the floor. Some stops are tricky however, usually when the stop is on a bend. 11C stop on Vicarage Road at the Allens Croft Road/Milbrook Road junction springs to mind.
Presumably it was an AG vehicle involved in that horrific stabbing last night on Rookery Road.
Just read about that,must be really traumatic for the driver and passengers etc. So sad.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on January 24, 2017, 04:43:48 PM
Presumably it was an AG vehicle involved in that horrific stabbing last night on Rookery Road.
Correct, 11 branded Gem, currently parked up in the police depot in Aston as is to be expected
Quote from: Kevin on January 24, 2017, 07:30:14 PM
Correct, 11 branded Gem, currently parked up in the police depot in Aston as is to be expected
4666
Quote from: Tony on January 24, 2017, 07:48:01 PM
4666
I wonder if it'll end up getting renumbered and reregistered and moved to another garage like 4816.
Don't see the point personally
Quote from: MW on January 24, 2017, 08:23:15 PM
I wonder if it'll end up getting renumbered and reregistered and moved to another garage like 4816.
Don't see the point personally
I can see why they do.
Has 2204 had the stop/start removed when receiving its new engine as I caught it twice on the 72 this week & it never cut out once unless the driver was overriding the system, just wondering that's all
4666 is back at Acocks Green but rumour has it, it wont be entering service again at the garage talk of it moving up north to Dundee.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on January 28, 2017, 02:56:30 PM
Has 2204 had the stop/start removed when receiving its new engine as I caught it twice on the 72 this week & it never cut out once unless the driver was overriding the system, just wondering that's all
Was on 2203 today and the stop start didn't happen at all. So if there's a way to override the system, then it must be being done. So any fact finding got from these vehicles are not as accurate as they should be.
Quote from: Jaysnerz007 on January 30, 2017, 09:11:28 PM
4666 is back at Acocks Green but rumour has it, it wont be entering service again at the garage talk of it moving up north to Dundee.
Swap for 4680 I wonder? I doubt it but it'd be nice
Quote from: MW on January 30, 2017, 11:32:39 PM
Swap for 4680 I wonder? I doubt it but it'd be nice
Or maybe 7018?
Or renumbered and sent to Perry Barr?
Renumber it 4699 maybe?
4666 is back in service at Acocks Green today, it did the 11E (11A) school journey to Ward End, The Fox And Goose.
6701 is on the 37.
Quote from: Jack B on February 04, 2017, 05:13:17 PM
2212 (37 Branded) - 71/72.
Many are on there every day and have been since they were new.
Quote from: 2206 on February 04, 2017, 05:23:34 PM
Many are on there every day and have been since they were new.
2210 is/was also on there but that's nothing new these days, so don't bother mentioning these now as this is the norm for the three routes
Quote from: Squiz1971 on February 04, 2017, 05:39:51 PM
2210 is/was also on there but that's nothing new these days, so don't bother mentioning these now as this is the norm for the three routes
They are also normal on the 1 in the week.
Quote from: 2206 on February 04, 2017, 05:23:34 PM
Many are on there every day and have been since they were new.
Oh really? So how come you keep posting these workings too?
Same with the Platinums on routes 1 & 37. Regular occurence
Quote from: MW on February 04, 2017, 06:18:07 PM
Oh really? So how come you keep posting these workings too?
Same with the Platinums on routes 1 & 37. Regular occurence
I don't post the E200 MMC route branded buses of route anymore.
Haven't bothered posting a 37 Branded on the 71/72 for months.
Plus I don't post the platinums on the 1 and 37.
Quote from: MW on February 04, 2017, 06:18:07 PM
Oh really? So how come you keep posting these workings too?
Same with the Platinums on routes 1 & 37. Regular occurence
Oh my bad! I won't post these workings again! :)
It's the first time I actually reported a branded E200MMC of its route, and reporting an E400 MMC on the 37
Quote from: 2206 on February 06, 2017, 06:05:26 PM
Not unusual.
How so? ::) Surely, if it's not on the spreadsheet, then it must be. Unless that's a problem to be rectified.
Quote from: clayderman on February 06, 2017, 07:14:12 PM
How so? ::) Surely, if it's not on the spreadsheet, then it must be. Unless that's a problem to be rectified.
They regularly appear on both the 1 and 37. AG currently have more platinums than required for the 966.
Quote from: clayderman on February 06, 2017, 07:14:12 PM
How so? ::) Surely, if it's not on the spreadsheet, then it must be. Unless that's a problem to be rectified.
AG currently have more Platinums than required so they make their way onto other routes. I believe officially the 1 uses them as other allocation but they've made their way onto other routes.
Quote from: 2206 on February 06, 2017, 07:14:50 PM
They are regularly appear on both the 1 and 37. AG currently have more platinums than required for the 966.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on February 06, 2017, 07:16:07 PM
AG currently have more Platinums than required so they make their way onto other routes. I believe officially the 1 uses them as other allocation but they've made their way onto other routes.
touché
The only official word I've heard from Tony here is that spare AG Platinums are to be used on the 1, so unless I'm informed otherwise, they can be considered 'noteworthy'. ;)
Quote from: Stu on February 06, 2017, 07:32:39 PM
The only official word I've heard from Tony here is that spare AG Platinums are to be used on the 1, so unless I'm informed otherwise, they can be considered 'noteworthy'. ;)
That's correct, although AG servicemen do seem to be sending them elsewhere quite regularly.
Will they all be used on this new platinum x72
31 was treated to a Platinum today too. May potentially have been the same one spotted on the 37 depending on the board
Quote from: MW on February 07, 2017, 01:11:05 AM
31 was treated to a Platinum today too. May potentially have been the same one spotted on the 37 depending on the board
Quote from: 2206 on February 06, 2017, 04:04:17 PM
AG 31 - 6709 - in Acocks Green going towards Solihull at 15:16.
6709 was on the 31
@MW.
6703 was on the 37.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 06, 2017, 08:34:48 PM
Will they all be used on this new platinum x72
What 'new platinum X72'? There only seems to be you who knows anything about this, so spill the beans please!
Quote from: Stu on February 07, 2017, 06:28:31 PM
What 'new platinum X72'? There only seems to be you who knows anything about this, so spill the beans please!
A rumour, heard it a while ago. 72 cut operating between Chelmsley and Solihull only. Replaced by a Platinum X72 service, as the current 966 between Solihull and Chelmsley, then onto Birmingham City Centre.
I take rumours with a pinch of salt. There was no mention of an X72 in the initial consultation document.
Anyone can start a rumour. I heard a rumour that the X1 is to be extended to Wolverhampton replacing the 126, creating a 'super-route' between Wolverhampton and Coventry. :-*
4651 seems to be making some great rear hub/diff reduction noises caught it on 11C from Erdington to the Fox, gives some of the old metrobuses run for their money in the noise stakes ;D ;D
6701 has now has advertising frames fitted.
Its on the 1 today.
Quote from: 2206 on February 10, 2017, 05:00:01 PM
6701 has now had advertising frames fitted.
Its on the 1 today.
Had them since last Saturday when it was running the 37.
https://www.facebook.com/369276339910972/photos/a.439914699513802.1073742008.369276339910972/660200807485189/?type=3&theater
6702 on the 5..
6704 is on the 37.
Routes 71/72 are currently been diverted via Brays Road , Barrows Lane , Common Lane and Sheaf Lane due to a RTC at Cranes Park Road junction
(Info off Solihull Updates on Facebook)
4652 is on the 966 today. In Chelmsley Wood at about 11:00 going to Erdington and 15:30 going towards Solihull.
Also there is a poster on the wall of 6701 near were the ticket machine printer that says the first aid box is located behind the driver seat. Never seen that before.
Quote from: 2206 on February 23, 2017, 04:29:46 PM
Also there is a poster on the wall of 6701 near were the ticket machine printer that says the first aid box is located behind the driver seat. Never seen that before.
6701 was or still is, one of the Tacho'd ones I believe hence it has to have these labels for the Private Hire work
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 24, 2017, 05:46:22 PM
6709 is on AG5/31.
@Michael Bevan to the best of my knowledge, the 5 and 31 do not interwork.
Quote from: Stu on February 24, 2017, 06:31:49 PM
@Michael Bevan to the best of my knowledge, the 5 and 31 do not interwork.
I think they used to. Cheers for that anyway.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on February 24, 2017, 06:39:45 PM
I think they used to. Cheers for that anyway.
They never have interworked. They have however shared boards so a 37 board becomes a 31 in the evening and a 31 board becomes a 5 in the evening. This allows the daytime 5's to return to garage as the relief point is further from the garage.
4253 is still at Acocks Green today. It was on the 1 outside the garage at 15:40.
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
Just noticed 3225 has moved to ag any reason why??
Quote from: Jack6101 on February 27, 2017, 06:16:13 PM
Just noticed 3225 has moved to ag any reason why??
Scanias need more garage space than tridents
There was a platinum bus on the 71E to Castle Bromwich today. Didn't get the fleet number. This was around 12.30.
Quote from: Tony on February 27, 2017, 06:36:31 PM
Scanias need more garage space than tridents
Will it go back to YW in 9 weeks when the Omnilinks go back to WA, or stay at AG
@Tony?
4512 on tow driver side smash
6702 now has an ad frame fitted on the AG 73 today.
there is currently a Gemini displaying 11C doing the 11A route, I saw it about 5 mins ago by City Hospital
Quote from: Stu on February 24, 2017, 06:31:49 PM
@Michael Bevan to the best of my knowledge, the 5 and 31 do not interwork.
there is some interworking
6148 on loan to AG is currently heading into Birmingham on the 31 and will leave Birmingham on the 18:45 5
Quote from: 2206 on February 27, 2017, 05:07:11 PM
4253 is still at Acocks Green today. It was on the 1 outside the garage at 15:40.
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
4253 is still at Acocks Green today on the 11A.
At Yardley Swan at about 08:00.
Outside Acocks Green Garage at 15:37 and passed Ward End, The Fox and Goose about 45 minutes ago.
Quote from: 2206 on March 10, 2017, 05:10:38 PM
4253 is still at Acocks Green today on the 11A.
At Yardley Swan at about 08:00.
Outside Acocks Green Garage at 15:37 and passed Ward End, The Fox and Goose about 45 minutes ago.
4253 has been at AG for ages, even though the fleet changes say it's gone to WB
Quote from: MW on March 10, 2017, 05:33:35 PM
4253 has been at AG for ages, even though the fleet changes say it's gone to WB
Which is why I said still at AG. Yes it has been at AG for ages, though Tony said a couple of weeks ago that it was its last day at AG plus the fleet changes says it went to WB in February though it never.
Quote from: dingding on March 11, 2017, 07:56:09 PM
WB 4253 was on 11A this afternoon
Not noteworthy.
Its not a WB bus yet
@dingding. Though the fleetchanges on the main site say its transferred, it hasn't yet. Its been at AG for quite a while, since the beginning of January.
Quote from: 2206 on March 11, 2017, 08:04:40 PM
Not noteworthy.
Its not a WB bus yet @dingding. Though the fleetchanges on the main site say its transferred, it hasn't yet. Its been at AG for quite a while, since the beginning of January.
Lmfao you hypocrite
Quote from: MW on March 11, 2017, 08:20:47 PM
Lmfao you hypocrite
No i'm not my post yesterday was to say that the fleetchanges on the main site aren't correct. I never said that it was a rare working. Which is why I said "still".
Oh dear my mistake!
Quote from: 2206 on March 11, 2017, 08:24:14 PM
No i'm not my post yesterday was to say that the fleetchanges on the main site aren't correct. I never said that it was a rare working. Which is why I said "still".
The fleet changes on the main site Are correct it is a WB bus just the same as 6145/8 are YW buses
A number of 46XX Geminis including 4637, 4640, 4646, 4647, 4651 and 4655 have recently received adblue tanks which is probably the reason why AG are borrowing buses.
2235 operated the 07:50 Stechford to Kings Heath 11C journey this morning.
Think i've seen a E200 MMC most days this week operating dead to Stechford to start that journey. Is that journey E200 MMC operated
@Tony?
Quote from: 2206 on March 16, 2017, 04:27:07 PM
2235 operated the 07:50 Stechford to Kings Heath 11C journey this morning.
Think i've seen a E200 MMC most days this week operating dead to Stechford to start that journey. Is that journey E200 MMC operated @Tony?
Its normally a Gemini, but don't forget AG are a few deckers short at present, judging by the vehicles on loan.
That journey is regularly late; on the few occasions I've tried to get the 11C in the morning from Mansfield Road to the village, it has come between 8:10 and 8:25 and is always rammed full. It is awful trying to get an 11C between 8am and 8:30 when they bunch together; I've seen two full double decks just go straight past me right after each other.
Quote from: Stu on March 16, 2017, 07:05:32 PM
Its normally a Gemini, but don't forget AG are a few deckers short at present, judging by the vehicles on loan.
That journey is regularly late; on the few occasions I've tried to get the 11C in the morning from Mansfield Road to the village, it has come between 8:10 and 8:25 and is always rammed full. It is awful trying to get an 11C between 8am and 8:30 when they bunch together; I've seen two full double decks just go straight past me right after each other.
Thanks, it was 2235 today, 2242 yesterday, an E200 MMC on Tuesday and another last Friday. Never saw it on Monday.
It is awful trying to get on a 11 between Yardley Yew Tree and Acocks Green between 07:50 and 08:45. Its the same when the schools finish during the PM peak as well. Yesterday afternoon I ended up catching 4519 on a 11C to AG Garage to get on a 11A towards Ward End as for about 45 minutes every bus that came just drove straight past the Francis Road stop overcrowded. There are some other journeys that operate a 11E to Kings Heath.
Social Travels first journey of the day becomes very overcrowded as well. Last Friday and on Tuesday they were just driving past the stops between The Swan and Acocks Green because theres no more room on the bus. On Friday there were about 60 - 70 passengers all on KV03ZFS between Yardley, Swan and Acocks Green.
Quote from: 2206 on March 22, 2017, 03:59:40 PM
AG 11A (11E) Ward End, the Fox and Goose - 6704 - school journey.
Apparently it'll now do a private hire to Dundee.
Quote from: 2206 on March 22, 2017, 04:00:35 PM
Apparently it'll now do a private hire to Dundee.
I saw 6704 this morning being driven Not In Service by an engineer. Turned off Kings Road, onto Coventry Road then onto Small Heath Highway. Wondered where it was headed, can only presume to BC for some attention before this private hire?
4666 is parked on Stechford Lane in Ward End near Burney Lane at the Station Road Island with the police. It was operating an 11C.
Was there a diversion affecting the 11A earlier just of Witton road/Aston lane as one 11A went the regular route whilst the other one carried on up Witton road (the way the 7 does). Seemed weird to watch as both buses where in convoy
Has this garage got a long term future, the reason I ask this; is because seems to be lots of complaints from residents about the buses at evening times blocking roads and parking access etc. I know its not the bus companies fault. However in times of increased car ownership and parking issues. Is their a place for bus depots in residential areas. Should they be moving to more industrial locations , what do people think?
Acocks green has been thete years the car owners have garages they could use
Quote from: Solo1 on April 02, 2017, 01:51:32 PM
Acocks green has been thete years the car owners have garages they could use
Quinton garage was there years, but the local residents still got it shutdown due to noise & traffic congestion when buses were returning to the garage
There is quite an issue. Summer Road gets blocked with traffic of buses usually at evening times. I'm sure it's become worse as of recent years. A solution would be to move the fuel pumps further down in the Garage, which is what causes these delays. Granted, moving the fuel pumps isn't as easy as it sounds.
If the garage is in a residential area the land it is on must be fairly valuable so perhaps would fund a new garage. I think the cleared land in Selly Oak near the QE (would be ideal for a large bus garage as it is away from residential areas and would not cause these traffic issues. I think part of this land is for a new Sainsburys but I can't imagine all of it would be used as it is a massive site.
Quote from: j789 on April 02, 2017, 03:06:49 PM
If the garage is in a residential area the land it is on must be fairly valuable so perhaps would fund a new garage. I think the cleared land in Selly Oak near the QE (would be ideal for a large bus garage as it is away from residential areas and would not cause these traffic issues. I think part of this land is for a new Sainsburys but I can't imagine all of it would be used as it is a massive site.
I've always thought, if AG was ever closed, you'd be better off closing both AG & YW and basically merging both into a bigger depot somewhere it between.
If the garage is in a residential area the land it is on must be fairly valuable so perhaps would fund a new garage. I think the cleared land in Selly Oak near the QE (almost opposite the old Selly Oak garage) would be ideal for a large bus garage as it is away from residential areas and would not cause these traffic issues. I think part of this land is for a new Sainsburys but I can't imagine all of it would be used as it is a massive site. Whilst not ideal for the Solihull routes from AG, this garage could take over all the 11A/C route as well as Bristol Rd/ Pershore Rd services (and possibly Harborne routes), freeing up space at BC garage to absorb all of the other AG routes that go into the city. Other non - city routes could go to YW with space from there being freed up by sending the 76 to the new Selly Oak garage.
Quote from: MW on April 02, 2017, 02:39:53 PM
There is quite an issue. Summer Road gets blocked with traffic of buses usually at evening times. I'm sure it's become worse as of recent years. A solution would be to move the fuel pumps further down in the Garage, which is what causes these delays. Granted, moving the fuel pumps isn't as easy as it sounds.
Don't most garages have traffic issues of an evening? What with loads of buses all coming back at roughly the same time
I know Wellhead Lane (PB garage) is hell around that time
Quote from: j789 on April 02, 2017, 03:11:13 PM
If the garage is in a residential area the land it is on must be fairly valuable so perhaps would fund a new garage.
Valuable perhaps yes, but in this day and age it'd only become a new supermarket instead and that would have equal if not more traffic problems
Quote from: Kevin on April 02, 2017, 03:14:24 PM
Don't most garages have traffic issues of an evening? What with loads of buses all coming back at roughly the same time
I know Wellhead Lane (PB garage) is hell around that time
Valuable perhaps yes, but in this day and age it'd only become a new supermarket instead and that would have equal if not more traffic problems
Most garages do tend to have traffic problems. I've seen BC buses queuing all down Liverpool Street and also onto Fazeley Street. I seen OmniLinks queuing up nearly the gates at BY. At YW, the queue can even go far down as the High Street with 1 driver telling me so. It's a daily issue in regards to fuelling the buses as that's what's causing the issues. Internal solutions would include installing additional pumps, moving existing pumps so that their is additional parking space although I doubt most garages have the real estate to make that happen.
In most cases, garages have the ability to just park buses up and then shutters will refuel them during the night in the busiest cases. Same happens at my garage if there is a vehicle breakdown on the pumps, otherwise would create chaos.
Quote from: Solo1 on April 02, 2017, 01:51:32 PM
Acocks green has been thete years the car owners have garages they could use
Problem is these garages were never built to house the number of buses they do now, and a lot of routes now operate 19 to 20 hours a day. A very different situation today to 30 years ago, let alone when the garages were built.
By the time Quinton closed it was operating most of Harborne's plus some of Stourbridge's, Dudley's and Harts Hill's routes.
Quote from: Mike K on April 02, 2017, 07:28:33 PM
Problem is these garages were never built to house the number of buses they do now, and a lot of routes now operate 19 to 20 hours a day. A very different situation today to 30 years ago, let alone when the garages were built.
By the time Quinton closed it was operating most of Harborne's plus some of Stourbridge's, Dudley's and Harts Hill's routes.
In the final years of Quinton, they were having to park 2 rows of Lynx (approx 14-16 buses) outside running the length of the garage, that space was formerly used to provide some staff parking
No residential issues at Miller Street. Use AG for storage and put operational vehicles back at MS. But does NXWM still own the garage?
No problems down pensnett
Quote from: karl724223 on April 02, 2017, 10:29:44 PM
No problems down pensnett
Fair bit of dead mileage for the 71 all the way back to PN though
2243 on the 72 in the City Centre at 16:58 has an large scrape all along the side of the bus.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 03, 2017, 09:36:09 AM
2241 on AG1.
@Michael Bevan , nothing noteworthy about that, the 1 uses any type of bus at AG.
Quote from: Mike K on April 07, 2017, 08:14:39 PM
There are also low trees along Wheeleys Road on the 98/99 routes.
On April 30th the AG 1 will be diverted down Wheeleys Road, Arthur Road and Church Road until approximately 13:45. Is it possible to get a double decker down there now then?
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/temporary-diversions/birmingham-10k-marathon-road-closures-
Not sure if this has been mentioned elsewhere but while on 4670 heading to the Fox on the 11c. There is a poster for a £2.10 max charge but only available on the outer circle. Couldn't see when it starts or started
Quote from: 2206 on April 22, 2017, 12:12:14 PM
On April 30th the AG 1 will be diverted down Wheeleys Road, Arthur Road and Church Road until approximately 13:45. Is it possible to get a double decker down there now then?
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/information/temporary-diversions/birmingham-10k-marathon-road-closures-
Its a Sunday, so they'll probably just stick a couple of E200s on there, like they usually do.
Quote from: Stu on April 22, 2017, 02:28:57 PM
Its a Sunday, so they'll probably just stick a couple of E200s on there, like they usually do.
Over the past few weeks, its been mostly decker on Sunday from what i've seen. Usually a E400 MMC.
Sure a couple of months back it was said one of the Hybrids got down Wheeleys Lane on a 98, though I expect it'll probably just be E200 MMC next week.
Keep forgetting to mention this.
4529 has gained an LED display on the back, after so many years of having a blank space.
Still has front and side dot matrix.
@Sh4318 you'll probably be interested in this lol
Quote from: MW on April 22, 2017, 04:49:08 PM
Keep forgetting to mention this.
4529 has gained an LED display on the back, after so many years of having a blank space.
Still has front and side dot matrix.
@Sh4318 you'll probably be interested in this lol
@MW how did you know?! ;)
I'll be sure to keep an eye out
New fares,
£2.10 single, valid on the 11 only, after 09:30 Monday to Friday and all day weekends and bank holidays.
£1.00 Solihull hop, valid within the Solihull zone only, saw the poster about it on 2245 while on the 11A earlier today, the 37/58/X2/71/72/73/966 boundary is Seven Star Road.
The Solihull travelshop will also close on Friday.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/solihull-travel-shop-to-close-on-friday-28-april-2017?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SocialSignIn&utm_source=Facebook
Quote from: 2206 on April 27, 2017, 04:34:38 PM
New fares,
£2.10 single, valid on the 11 only, after 09:30 Monday to Friday and all day weekends and bank holidays.
£1.00 Solihull hop, valid within the Solihull zone only, saw the poster about it on 2245 while on the 11A earlier today, the 37/58/X2/71/72/73/966 boundary is Seven Star Road.
The Solihull travelshop will also close on Friday.
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/solihull-travel-shop-to-close-on-friday-28-april-2017?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SocialSignIn&utm_source=Facebook
I mentioned about the £2.10 fare on the previous page
@2206
Quote from: Squiz1971 on April 27, 2017, 07:08:49 PM
I mentioned about the £2.10 fare on the previous page @2206
Yes I saw you post, only posted the 11 £2.10 single, so people know its still £2.40 on the 11 before 09:30 Monday to Friday.
4662 has had its 11 branding modified to include info about the £2.10 single fare on the 11. Its on the 11C today. It operated the 14:24 11C from Harborne.
Someone got on 6121 at the Gillot Road stop on the Hagley Road, on the 120 towards the City Centre asking for a £2.10 single as well.
@2206 I don't think E200MMC's are noteworthy on the 11 now since there has been one or two on almost if not everyday this week.
Quote from: Dom on May 12, 2017, 04:24:17 PM
@2206 I don't think E200MMC's are noteworthy on the 11 now since there has been one or two on almost if not everyday this week.
Looks like there might be a shortage of deckers,
one board that's had a E200 MMC nearly everyday this week is 11A/23 which comes out at 15:00, they come out in the peaks, I doubt they're supposed to be on there as a deckers are needed on the 11 because of the high loads.
If AG are short of deckers now, where will the ones for the 72 come from ?
Quote from: Brummie45 on May 12, 2017, 08:08:07 PM
If AG are short of deckers now, where will the ones for the 72 come from ?
For the PVR of the 72, for it to become decker operated, something would have to go Single Decker operated (only route I can see that happening on at AG is the 1), or deckers will come from elsewhere.
If they get more deckers from elsewhere, I wander whether it'll be B7TL deckers or a new type?
A driver today told me that Bordsley are getting some new buses for the 55 from Acocks Green
Quote from: Jack D on May 13, 2017, 06:49:09 PM
A driver today told me that Bordsley are getting some new buses for the 55 from Acocks Green
E200 MMC's probably. Only Single Decks at AG.
Quote from: Jack D on May 13, 2017, 06:49:09 PM
A driver today told me that Bordsley are getting some new buses for the 55 from Acocks Green
Are BY getting the E200 MMC, that would be good to see?
Then would allow PB to get the Omnilinks for the 96 and 71 (if its going to PB).
Quote from: 2206 on May 13, 2017, 06:52:20 PM
Are BY getting the E200 MMC, that would be good to see?
Then would allow PB to get the Omnilinks for the 96 and 71 (if its going to PB).
Complete rubbish
2204 is running along the 73 route this morning, marked Staff Bus, with a number of drivers on board.
I'm not sure how true this is but I was told by a current 966 driver that the 58,73 and X12 are going on the same rota.
I would've thought 72 and 73 would go together
Quote from: Eric Shaw on May 14, 2017, 11:35:08 AM
2204 is running along the 73 route this morning, marked Staff Bus, with a number of drivers on board.
Yes it's definitely route learning day, PB onnilink just passed me full of drivers on Holly Lane Erdington. Judging by its 'progress', they haven't allocated much time for the day!!
Quote from: andy41 on May 14, 2017, 12:03:48 PM
Yes it's definitely route learning day, PB onnilink just passed me full of drivers on Holly Lane Erdington. Judging by its 'progress', they haven't allocated much time for the day!!
Omnilink passed me about 5 mins ago on Auckland Drive.
Are AG's platinums being upgraded with the USB chargers. Also at AG the platinums wifi doesn't work on 6708 and 6710.
Doubt it Jack.
Quote from: Jack D on May 14, 2017, 02:33:03 PM
Are AG's platinums being upgraded with the USB chargers. Also at AG the platinums wifi doesn't work on 6708 and 6710.
6703-6710 still have 900 route maps in. They'll probably be removed when the changes take place.
2209 operated the 11E 07:50 Stechford to Kings Heath on the 11C.
2247 operate an 11E to Ward End on the 11A.
Park Lane is closed from Monday 15th May till Friday 16th June.
That means the 71 over this period of time is being rerouted away from the low bridge in Castle Vale and Minworth Village.
The diversion is, Farnbrough Road, Park Lane, Manby Road, Kingsbury Road to Tyburn House Island, back up the Kingsbury Road in the opposite direction till Asda Minworth, Walmley Ash Road then normal line of route towards Sutton.
Asda Minworth, Walmley Ash Road, Kingsbury Road, Manby Road, Park Lane, Farnbrough Road then normal line of route towards Chelmsley Wood and Solihull. That means over this period of time it would be possible for a double decker to get onto the 71.
Quote from: 2206 on May 20, 2017, 04:40:59 PM
Park Lane is closed from Monday 15th May till Friday 16th June.
...
That means over this period of time it would be possible for a double decker to get onto the 71.
None have been used so far (I'm sure we'd have all heard about it if it had happened!). While possible, it is probably highly unlikely.
Am I going mad but I came out the gym by the lode lane ice rink and saw a 71a going to Solihull @ approx. (sat) 1625 is that right??
Quote from: monkeyjoe on May 27, 2017, 05:31:41 PM
Am I going mad but I came out the gym by the lode lane ice rink and saw a 71a going to Solihull @ approx. (sat) 1625 is that right??
The first 71A journey towards Solihull on a Saturday from Sheldon Wheatsheaf is at 22:42. So most likely the driver put the wrong route on the destination display by mistake.
Acocks Green have now started to debrand the 71/2 branded Enviro 200 MMC's in preparation for the changes on the 4th of June. Just seen 2241 in Solihull minus the branding.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on May 28, 2017, 02:21:24 PM
Acocks Green have now started to debrand the 71/2 branded Enviro 200 MMC's in preparation for the changes on the 4th of June. Just seen 2241 in Solihull minus the branding.
Don't want to start spamming this thread, with sightings of debranded MMCs, but debranded 2238 is on the 1/E. Personally, I prefer them debranded. Makes use of the windows' original purpose: to look out from! 😂
Quote from: Michael Bevan on May 28, 2017, 02:21:24 PM
Acocks Green have now started to debrand the 71/2 branded Enviro 200 MMC's in preparation for the changes on the 4th of June. Just seen 2241 in Solihull minus the branding.
2225, 2230, 2235, 2244 are also now debranded
Quote from: Rob2832 on May 30, 2017, 10:27:19 AM
2225, 2230, 2235, 2244 are also now debranded
So is 2239.
Quote from: Jack B on May 30, 2017, 01:18:46 PM
So is 2239.
And 2231. Looked so much better debranded
Quote from: MW on May 30, 2017, 03:22:42 PM
And 2231. Looked so much better debranded
Yeh. You can actually see out of the back window for once!
Quote from: Jack B on May 30, 2017, 05:35:53 PM
Yeh. You can actually see out of the back window for once!
It's like how 6148 looks so much better than the branded E400 MMCs at YW. Looks much smarter without the branding.
Quote from: MW on May 30, 2017, 06:11:12 PM
It's like how 6148 looks so much better than the branded E400 MMCs at YW. Looks much smarter without the branding.
They do look smart without the crap they get plastered with.
Quote from: MW on May 30, 2017, 03:22:42 PM
And 2231. Looked so much better debranded
They've all been done.
4501 - 5/31
4503 - 11A
anyone looking for them
Quote from: Tony on May 31, 2017, 08:49:23 AM
4501 - 5/31
4503 - 11A
anyone looking for them
What time will 4503 next be in Acocks Green please
@Tony?
4663 was in Saltley earlier route learning the X12 with driver training on the destination display.
4227 is on the 1 today still with its Sandwell and Dudley low fare zone vinyls covering the windows. Looks strange on the 1.
2209 did the last 71A, 22:35 ex Sutton Coldfield.
Just seen two X12s. Kudos to whoever programmed the displays; they look well nice! 😍
Quote from: clayderman on June 04, 2017, 12:10:30 PM
Just seen two X12s. Kudos to whoever programmed the displays; they look well nice! 😍
I'm quite intrigued, they've changed the X1 display as well, not overly keen if I'm honest.
Quote from: Dom on June 04, 2017, 12:25:56 PM
I'm quite intrigued, they've changed the X1 display as well, not overly keen if I'm honest.
Haven't seen the X1 ones; tbf, if it's anything like the X12, then I'd be pleased.
Basically, the programmed route number looks like the font from branding. It seems to be a static display, also. The citybound display said
Airport then City X12
via Chelmsley Wood
What's on the 72 today? 100% Gemini I imagine?
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 04, 2017, 12:42:23 PM
What's on the 72 today? 100% Gemini I imagine?
Only seen one so far but it's E200
That might just be what the Sunday allocation is though, can't imagine it's really going to warrant deckers on a 20 mins frequency on Sunday
Edit - Was fully E200 today, and I have to say leaving Solihull at 4pm it was quite full, so maybe deckers wouldn't go a miss
On the subject of the 72
Wasn't Lode Lane meant to be some sort of quality corridor - ergo the 71/72 getting the new E200s?
Obviously now AG have some Geminis transferred in so it's decker operated, but if Solihull council still want could we soon see new MMC Deckers coming?
After the recent fleet changes (including the ones due at some point this month), AG has sunk to having the oldest average fleet age in the company, despite having x39 '15' plate vehicles out of a total 141.
According to the Microsoft Excel 'Average' function, the average bus is 11 years old.
The newest is Pensnett with the average bus being 6 years old.
I've rounded these figures up to the nearest whole number.
(note: 3225 is not included in the average fleet age)
After these changes, I've got the fleet breakdown as:
x 29 Enviro 200 MMC (18 branded for the 37)
x 23 Volvo B7TL ALX400
x 79 Volvo B7TL Gemini (35 branded for the Outer Circle)
x 10 Enviro 400 MMC (Platinum)
x 1 Daimley CVG6 Crossley
Total : 142
3225 never actually left Yardley a wood except on paper ...
Quote from: MW on June 04, 2017, 06:33:53 PM
According to the Microsoft Excel 'Average' function
I thought your FMOTL beliefs didn't allow you to sign contracts...
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 04, 2017, 07:30:11 PM
I thought your FMOTL beliefs didn't allow you to sign contracts...
Sorry I don't follow.
I can sign as many contracts as I want, when I get out, FMOTL saves me. I'm a man not a person and not a legal entity.
You get my drift lol
Is the destination display the same on the gemini's as it is on the platinums on the X12?
Quote from: Dom on June 05, 2017, 09:25:00 AM
Is the destination display the same on the gemini's as it is on the platinums on the X12?
Yes. 4652 was on the X12 yesterday. Saw a picture of it on Facebook with the new destination format.
Quote from: James4368 on June 05, 2017, 09:14:48 AM
4655 - X12
Quote from: Brummie45 on June 05, 2017, 09:14:15 AM
4653 pretending to be a platinum on X12.
4650 is also on the X12 today meaning three are on there today.
Perhaps some Platinums are off road to recieve branding? ???
Edit: scratch that, only just read the NW thread. Unless... :P
Quote from: clayderman on June 05, 2017, 04:32:52 PM
Perhaps some Platinums are off road to recieve branding? ???
Edit: scratch that, only just read the NW thread. Unless... :P
6704 is on the 1 today as well.
2202-1
4665 has gained a rear led destination display. Outer Circle and the via points can be seen scrolling behind the 11C on the rear destination display though.
Quote from: 2206 on June 05, 2017, 06:22:10 PM
4665 has gained a rear led destination display. Outer Circle and the via points can be seen scrolling behind the 11C on the rear destination display though.
A little like 4529's?
4501 is on the X12 today.
I'm told that 6708 was on the 1 too.
4333-presumably on loan from Yardley Wood-on the 72. Just left Chelmsley Wood.
Quote from: markcf83 on June 08, 2017, 03:20:29 PM
2201 on route 72. Left Solihull just under half an hour ago.
I'm not sure that's unusual (can anyone confirm?), I've seen at least one on there everyday since Tuesday (didn't see it Monday).
Took a ride on the X12 this afternoon from city centre to the Airport.
Was a bit surprised that it went along Aston Expressway and Tyburn Road, rather than along Nechells Parkway and Heartlands Parkway. If there are no traffic issues, is there a set 'first choice' route that drivers should follow? Or unless they are advised otherwise, can drivers pick whichever route they fancy? :D
Anyway, Priory Queensway to Bromford Drive in a little over 11 minutes, and almost exactly 30mins to get to Smiths Wood (Windward Way, Buckingham Road). If I lived in that area, I think I'd be very pleased to have a much faster bus to/from the city centre. Also, good idea to have that five minute layover in Chelmsley Wood, however I can see some people getting annoyed if, like today, the service is running on time.
Like with the X70, I like the idea of better serving passengers from outlying areas, by avoiding the parts of a route that slow down a journey through 'inner' areas. As long as there are still regular 'all-stops' services through these inner areas, such as Washwood Heath and Ward End for example, due to their proximity to the city centre, they're not missing out when it comes to journey time, compared to passengers at the outer ends of a route. The problem really though is a lack of main trunk roads from the city centre that buses could 'express' along.
Some go via Nechells Parkway and Heartland Parkway some go via the Aston Expressway.
Caught 6706 in the peak yesterday on the X12 yesterday which went via the Aston Expressway and Tyburn Road, very quick journey, got from the City Centre to the first stop on Bromford Drive in 10 minutes, possibly just over, the journey time for those travelling from Bromford to the City Centre is an improvement over the 72. The drivers changed in the City Centre the previous driver came in via Heartlands Parkway and Nechells Parkway.
This afternoon in Nechells there was a convey of 6710 on the X12, a Trident on the X70 and another Platinum on the X12 with nobody other than the driver on it all heading towards the City Centre together.
Quote from: Stu on June 10, 2017, 07:52:27 PM
Took a ride on the X12 this afternoon from city centre to the Airport.
Was a bit surprised that it went along Aston Expressway and Tyburn Road, rather than along Nechells Parkway and Heartlands Parkway. If there are no traffic issues, is there a set 'first choice' route that drivers should follow? Or unless they are advised otherwise, can drivers pick whichever route they fancy? :D
Anyway, Priory Queensway to Bromford Drive in a little over 11 minutes, and almost exactly 30mins to get to Smiths Wood (Windward Way, Buckingham Road). If I lived in that area, I think I'd be very pleased to have a much faster bus to/from the city centre. Also, good idea to have that five minute layover in Chelmsley Wood, however I can see some people getting annoyed if, like today, the service is running on time.
Like with the X70, I like the idea of better serving passengers from outlying areas, by avoiding the parts of a route that slow down a journey through 'inner' areas. As long as there are still regular 'all-stops' services through these inner areas, such as Washwood Heath and Ward End for example, due to their proximity to the city centre, they're not missing out when it comes to journey time, compared to passengers at the outer ends of a route. The problem really though is a lack of main trunk roads from the city centre that buses could 'express' along.
Expressway option is first choice
Are people airing positive feedback to these new services yet? Or do people only comment the other way.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 11, 2017, 08:30:12 AM
Are people airing positive feedback to these new services yet? Or do people only comment the other way.
Alas I think the latter may be the case
Honestly though, I think there will be many that do appreciate the services, as Stu said the time taken from the city to Smiths Wood really is attractive. Yes some people will have lost connections along the way but you have to compare that to the number of people that will benefit
I get it.I might even think of using the services myself when back in Brum. I normally get on a bus to centre from ventnor av / coleshill rd to city, however could try walking to chipperfield rd and using them and see if there is actually a benefit.
Still surprised no publicity targeting people in my area as to the new services, nothing in the Hodge Hill Gazette when I went back at bank holiday.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 11, 2017, 10:44:53 AM
I get it.I might even think of using the services myself when back in Brum. I normally get on a bus to centre from ventnor av / coleshill rd to city, however could try walking to chipperfield rd and using them and see if there is actually a benefit.
Still surprised no publicity targeting people in my area as to the new services, nothing in the Hodge Hill Gazette when I went back at bank holiday.
Yesterday evening at 22:10, there was no 94/55 for 19 minutes, 6704 was on the 55/94 stand waiting to operate an X12 it moved onto the X12 stand I decided to get of and walk the rest of the way/get the 11 for a couple of stops, very quick journey via the Aston Expressway and I connected onto 4514 on the 11C at Bromford which was coming as I got of 6704, I completed my journey at 22:28, if i'd decided to wait for the 55/94 i'd still have been stood in the City Centre waiting.
6705 on the 72
Quote from: 2206 on June 11, 2017, 11:13:56 AM
Yesterday evening at 22:10, there was no 94/55 for 19 minutes, 6704 was on the 55/94 stand waiting to operate an X12 it moved onto the X12 stand I decided to get of and walk the rest of the way/get the 11 for a couple of stops, very quick journey via the Aston Expressway and I connected onto 4514 on the 11C at Bromford which was coming as I got of 6704, I completed my journey at 22:28, if i'd decided to wait for the 55/94 i'd still have been stood in the City Centre waiting.
Connection with other buses is the key here, at times of lower frequency (ie evening or Sunday) the express buses kind of need to be timed at certain stops to give a connection to either onward stopping services or as in your example the 11, although a bit of a shame the first stop isn't necessarily that close to the 11
YW 4719 (35 branded) currently parked outside AG (Tidily reverse parked against the shutters). Most likely come to collect 2244.
What was Yardley Wood 2233 doing at Acocks Green Garage at about 15:45 today, came into the garage and then left about 10 minutes later?
2233 has also gained a rear ad, appears to be advertising for drivers.
Saw 4670 on the 11A on Wednesday displaying 11C.
I go past the garage quite often but today was the first time I've seen the shutter (The big one (2 vehicles)) down around just before 1ish.
Any reason why ?
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on June 16, 2017, 11:16:27 PM
I go past the garage quite often but today was the first time I've seen the shutter (The big one (2 vehicles)) down around just before 1ish.
Any reason why ?
It's always been down recently.
Not long ago the one on the left was down, but they've put that one back up and put the shutter on the right down.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on June 16, 2017, 11:16:27 PM
I go past the garage quite often but today was the first time I've seen the shutter (The big one (2 vehicles)) down around just before 1ish.
Any reason why ?
The bigger shutter is usually down at night. May just have been shut earlier than normal. There's no need for it to be open overnight, probably for security reasons, as you could just hop into a Gemini and drive it out lol
The smaller shutter is entrance at night for buses coming off service. When I was there, the last bus would come in at about 1AM (37). Now, we've got the 1AM departure from City on the 37, so that bus gets back into garage at around 1.45AM.
Fun fact for you, the first bus out of garage is always parked on the outside car park, the first bus to the left. It's usually a E200MMC. First 37 of the day. So when there is a Gemini in that spot, that'll be on the 37 the next day.
Quote from: MW on June 17, 2017, 04:18:49 AM
The bigger shutter is usually down at night. May just have been shut earlier than normal. There's no need for it to be open overnight, probably for security reasons, as you could just hop into a Gemini and drive it out lol
The smaller shutter is entrance at night for buses coming off service. When I was there, the last bus would come in at about 1AM (37). Now, we've got the 1AM departure from City on the 37, so that bus gets back into garage at around 1.45AM.
Fun fact for you, the first bus out of garage is always parked on the outside car park, the first bus to the left. It's usually a E200MMC. First 37 of the day. So when there is a Gemini in that spot, that'll be on the 37 the next day.
For the past few weeks they've had one of the big shutters down in the day. It's always down at 3PM when I go pas there daily.
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 05, 2017, 06:29:54 PM
A little like 4529's?
Yes, it is a little like 4529's.
6709 now has red X12 branding
Looks ok saw it this morning.
Quote from: John on June 19, 2017, 09:57:56 AM
6709 now has red X12 branding
6703 is now branded for the X12.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 21, 2017, 08:47:18 AM
6703 is now branded for the X12.
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@Michael Bevan E200 MMC's aren't really noteworthy on the X12, a number have been on it. It's fairly common.
Quote from: Jack B on June 24, 2017, 06:03:45 PM
@Michael Bevan E200 MMC's aren't really noteworthy on the X12, a number have been on it. It's fairly common.
There has been quite a few on there this week, so its not really unusual. Probably because, I think it was said AG have 10 E400 MMC for a PVR of 10 so when a E400 MMC isn't available or an E400 MMC is elsewhere something else will be on the X12.
Quote from: Jack B on June 24, 2017, 06:03:45 PM
@Michael Bevan E200 MMC's aren't really noteworthy on the X12, a number have been on it. It's fairly common.
I wouldn't say they are quite rare on the X12. But I'd still say they are noteworthy as they are uncommon. It's like ALX400's on PB33. Not really uncommon, but still noteworthy.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 24, 2017, 08:26:14 PM
I wouldn't say they are quite rare on the X12. But I'd still say they are noteworthy as they are uncommon. It's like ALX400's on PB33. Not really uncommon, but still noteworthy.
Gemini's are more usual than an ALX400 on a 33. There's two Trident Enviros (4799/4829) and 4286 all on the 33 today. There's obviously 3 Branded E400's off the road.
On terms of the X12, there's 10 Platniums for 10 running boards. So when a Platniums is off the road, then an E200 MMC will be on it. There's been one on it pretty much every day, this week.
There's been a few Geminis on the X12 too. Seen a 46xx the other day.
What's weird is seeing so much Gemini presence on the East of the City now. By that, I mean along the 72 route. Seeing convoys of 72s.
Quote from: Jack B on June 24, 2017, 09:04:28 PM
Gemini's are more usual than an ALX400 on a 33. There's two Trident Enviros (4799/4829) and 4286 all on the 33 today. There's obviously 3 Branded E400's off the road.
On terms of the X12, there's 10 Platniums for 10 running boards. So when a Platniums is off the road, then an E200 MMC will be on it. There's been one on it pretty much every day, this week.
Gemini's are the second type for the X12. Not Enviro 200 MMC's.
Quote from: MW on June 24, 2017, 09:28:31 PM
There's been a few Geminis on the X12 too. Seen a 46xx the other day.
What's weird is seeing so much Gemini presence on the East of the City now. By that, I mean along the 72 route. Seeing convoys of 72s.
Well I like the ALX400's on the 72. There's just something that I don't like about the Gems on the 72.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on June 24, 2017, 09:35:07 PM
Gemini's are the second type for the X12. Not Enviro 200 MMC's.
I never said anything about the second type. There's obviously not been any spare Gemini's in the garage so E200 MMC's have had to of been used. All I said that an E200 MMC has had been used, it's obvious that I mentioned nothing about the second type being Gemini's.
Quote from: MW on June 24, 2017, 09:28:31 PM
There's been a few Geminis on the X12 too. Seen a 46xx the other day.
What's weird is seeing so much Gemini presence on the East of the City now. By that, I mean along the 72 route. Seeing convoys of 72s.
To be honest. I thought it would be more evenly split between ALX400s and Geminis. E200 MMC still appear to be a regular fixture
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 24, 2017, 09:47:54 PM
To be honest. I thought it would be more evenly split between ALX400s and Geminis. E200 MMC still appear to be a regular fixture
Yeah so did I. Tony did say that the Crimson Geminis will be used on the 72. The ALX400s are supposed to be for the 1, 11 & 73 (even though I've seen a few E200s on the 73).
Quote from: MW on June 24, 2017, 10:07:59 PM
Yeah so did I. Tony did say that the Crimson Geminis will be used on the 72. The ALX400s are supposed to be for the 1, 11 & 73 (even though I've seen a few E200s on the 73).
I've only seen one ALX400 on the 73, which was 4228 yesterday. Other than that I've seen E200's on the 73. I did think I was seeing things when I saw it though.
Quote from: Jack B on June 24, 2017, 10:16:28 PM
I've only seen one ALX400 on the 73, which was 4228 yesterday. Other than that I've seen E200's on the 73. I did think I was seeing things when I saw it though.
It's definitely mainly ALX400 on the weekdays. I've heard of E200 MMCs being on there on Saturdays
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 24, 2017, 10:42:46 PM
It's definitely mainly ALX400 on the weekdays. I've heard of E200 MMCs being on there on Saturdays
It is yes, E200 MMC have been used on Saturdays, and the odd Gemini has also got on there 4500 got onto the 73 on the 73s first week back at AG. But its certainly mostly B7TL ALX400 in the week.
Platinum on the 72 (?)
6704 has been branded for the X12 over the weekend.
X12 Branded 6704 is on the 1 today.
Quote from: 2206 on June 26, 2017, 05:38:07 PM
X12 Branded 6704 is on the 1 today.
Do we really need it mentioning in two threads!?
Quote from: 2206 on June 26, 2017, 05:38:07 PM
X12 Branded 6704 is on the 1 today.
The route branded off route thread is for this, doesn't need to be here as well
Quote from: Jordan on July 05, 2017, 10:20:11 AM
4512 on 72
@Jordan Nothing remotely noteworthy here. AG Gemini on an AG double-deck route.
Quote from: Stu on July 05, 2017, 06:28:40 PM
@Jordan Nothing remotely noteworthy here. AG Gemini on an AG double-deck route.
Presumably because it's branded for the 11? I spotted it later on being driven NIS by a driver on the Warwick (37) rota. Overtime or a board that goes from the 37 to 72 (if one exists?)
Acocks green is on BBC 1 they are doing on feature on the one show about the 11
6702 was roaring up Warwick Road on Wednesday. Running dead back to depot from Solihull after the evening peak. When I say roaring, I mean the cooling fans. First time I've heard the fans on these. I managed to get the fans roaring on an E200MMC once. Looked weird seeing a Platinum like that.
Quote from: MW on July 07, 2017, 03:53:35 AM
6702 was roaring up Warwick Road on Wednesday. Running dead back to depot from Solihull after the evening peak. When I say roaring, I mean the cooling fans. First time I've heard the fans on these. I managed to get the fans roaring on an E200MMC once. Looked weird seeing a Platinum like that.
Heard them a lot of times on WA's Platniums. They aren't as loud as an Omnilink or Omnicity.
Quote from: Jack B on July 07, 2017, 07:09:05 AM
Heard them a lot of times on WA's Platniums. They aren't as loud as an Omnilink or Omnicity.
Shame that the newer MMCs (6759 onwards) were delivered with eFans.
Also most of the geminis at Acocks Green have had eFans fitted.
I'm sure the E200 MMCs have eFans too now, but I'm sure they weren't delivered with them.
Quote from: lauren1993 on July 08, 2017, 02:56:57 PM
Shame that the newer MMCs (6759 onwards) were delivered with eFans.
Also most of the geminis at Acocks Green have had eFans fitted.
I'm sure the E200 MMCs have eFans too now, but I'm sure they weren't delivered with them.
eFans? What are they?
Is this part of the exhaust trap stuff fitted to the Geminis? Now thag you mention it, I haven't heard any Crimson Geminis roaring in a while, whilst I've heard 11 branded ones roaring.
Quote from: MW on July 08, 2017, 05:19:47 PM
eFans? What are they?
Is this part of the exhaust trap stuff fitted to the Geminis? Now thag you mention it, I haven't heard any Crimson Geminis roaring in a while, whilst I've heard 11 branded ones roaring.
Not just on trap fitted vehicles, but a lot of vehicles are having their fans changed from Hydraulic fans to electric ones. This makes the bus more fuel efficient. The trap fitted 42xx have not been done
Quote from: MW on July 08, 2017, 05:19:47 PM
eFans? What are they?
Is this part of the exhaust trap stuff fitted to the Geminis? Now thag you mention it, I haven't heard any Crimson Geminis roaring in a while, whilst I've heard 11 branded ones roaring.
Crimson 4504 is still roaring about. Sadly 4518's fans are no longer on constantly.
Quote from: 2206 on July 11, 2017, 06:25:09 PM
There are large grey smudges on 4666 and 4668 were there rear 11 branding has turned from yellow to grey.
Does anyone know whats causing the smudges on there rear branding?
The Off peak £2.10 single promotion on the 11 will end on Saturday 15th July 2017, after a 3 month promotion trial. After that date passengers will have to pay a normal single £2.40 fare on the 11 all day.
Saw the notice on 4512 today.
Quote from: 2206 on July 11, 2017, 06:40:28 PM
Does anyone know whats causing the smudges on there rear branding?
Heat? Maybe melting?
2244 has yet to transfer to YW. It was on the 37 today.
I think it's just one of several loans recently from YW to AG
Quote from: Stevo on July 14, 2017, 09:35:47 AM
I think it's just one of several loans recently from YW to AG
Tony said that it was to move at a later date. That date clearly hasn't arrived yet.
Quote from: Dom on July 14, 2017, 10:10:46 AM
Toby said that it was to move at a later date. That date clearly hasn't arrived yet.
Who's Toby
@Dom? :P
Quote from: Stevo on July 14, 2017, 09:35:47 AM
I think it's just one of several loans recently from YW to AG
I don't think its moved yet it was out last week on the 58, i'm sure I saw it on the 1 the week before as well.
4504 hasn't moved and neither has 2244. It was said last month that these would be moved at a later date. At a guess, PB seems low on vehicles at the moment. Maybe this is why 4504 hasn't moved, releasing 2244.
Quote from: MW on July 14, 2017, 06:32:25 PM
4504 hasn't moved and neither has 2244. It was said last month that these would be moved at a later date. At a guess, PB seems low on vehicles at the moment. Maybe this is why 4504 hasn't moved, releasing 2244.
4504 hasn't moved because of it having work done away at PB. It's currently on loan to PB now it's back in service. It's officially an AG vehicle.
Quote from: MW on July 15, 2017, 07:11:09 AM
BC E400 (ex PB one) was on Thursday night staff bus duties. Usually a B7RLE. Spotted in Acocks Green / Shaftmoor Lane.
Not particularly noteworthy was 2240 on YW staff duty this morning. Seen in Acocks Green village. The new displays for AG/YW only say 'Staff Bus' and not the depot, so unsure whether this was on loan to AG or not. Most likely not.
What does the 801 use
@MW?
Quote from: 2206 on July 15, 2017, 10:05:59 AM
What does the 801 use @MW?
The 801 is Yardley Wood operated and is booked Scalia Omnilinks.
Quote from: Dom on July 15, 2017, 10:27:54 AM
The 801 is Yardley Wood operated and is booked Scalia Omnilinks.
Thanks for the info.
Yes I know its Yardley Wood operated, put it in the wrong thread by mistake, sorry.
801, as far as I can see, doesn't even run anymore. When the route was first registered, you regularly saw a Scania displaying 801. Saw it at various points (Shirley, Robin Hood, Fox Hollies).
Now, you just see 'Staff Bus'.
There isn't a booked type on staff bus routes per se. Just the smallest thing they've got. When AG ran both Scania and B7RLE, it couldn't be any. BC was recently E200 operated but since they've gone, it's become B7RLE. You see the BC staff bus regularly in Acocks Green/Gospel Oak. Weird when it was a 99 branded E200.
Quote from: MW on July 15, 2017, 04:19:48 PM
801, as far as I can see, doesn't even run anymore. When the route was first registered, you regularly saw a Scania displaying 801. Saw it at various points (Shirley, Robin Hood, Fox Hollies).
Now, you just see 'Staff Bus'.
There isn't a booked type on staff bus routes per se. Just the smallest thing they've got. When AG ran both Scania and B7RLE, it couldn't be any. BC was recently E200 operated but since they've gone, it's become B7RLE. You see the BC staff bus regularly in Acocks Green/Gospel Oak. Weird when it was a 99 branded E200.
Thanks for the info.
The 801 is still showing on NWM and the NX website?
Quote from: 2206 on July 15, 2017, 08:22:49 PM
Thanks for the info.
The 801 is still showing on NWM and the NX website?
I saw an 801 last night. Fox Hollies Road/Stratford Road junction heading towards AG. It was a Scania.
Does anyone know which MMCs are branded for the X12?
@MW the other Platinum is 6707, I saw it leaving City earlier on the 5 when I made my post but I went past the garage and it was outside the garage on an inbound 31.
I assume the 5/31 only interwork on Sundays contrary to the notion that they interwork throughout the week ?
Quote from: MW on July 16, 2017, 04:20:50 PM
I saw an 801 last night. Fox Hollies Road/Stratford Road junction heading towards AG. It was a Scania.
Thanks for the info
@MW Quote from: MW on July 16, 2017, 04:20:50 PM
Does anyone know which MMCs are branded for the X12?
6703, 6704, 6705, 6706, 6707, 6708 and 6709 are the ones i've seen so far.
Quote from: 2206 on July 16, 2017, 04:39:27 PM
Thanks for the info @MW 6703, 6704, 6705, 6706, 6707, 6708 and 6709 are the ones i've seen so far.
6710 is also Route Branded 8)
That makes sense. 2201/2202/6701/6702 all have tachographs fitted, so no branding. So 8 MMC are branded for the X12.
Just noticed they have finally started to improve the heartlands parkway / bromford
Lane Island. Is it improving things for 11 / x12 drivers at rush hour then? ??
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 23, 2017, 01:08:42 AM
Just noticed they have finally started to improve the heartlands parkway / bromford
Lane Island. Is it improving things for 11 / x12 drivers at rush hour then? ??
I cant comment on the X12 but the 11 really suffers around that area. More often than not, its usually the 11C which gets caught up in the traffic. In what respect have the lights been improved on ?!
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on July 23, 2017, 02:59:50 AM
I cant comment on the X12 but the 11 really suffers around that area. More often than not, its usually the 11C which gets caught up in the traffic. In what respect have the lights been improved on ?!
There is an extra lane at Bromford, on the 11C side. So when exiting the island, instead of 1 lane, there are two.
Quote from: MW on July 23, 2017, 03:26:04 AM
There is an extra lane at Bromford, on the 11C side. So when exiting the island, instead of 1 lane, there are two.
Sorry to go of topic but as an occasional car user that way it's made a good saving on the traffic all trying to merge into the one lane
More often that not, the traffic usually stems from Bromford bound lane as opposed to going round the island. I don't use 11C around peak anymore so I personally can't gauge how effective this will be but I reckon it'll be a marked improvement.
Does anybody know the diversion for the X12 in Castle Bromwich as The Green is closed. Was hoping to travel from Arden Hall.
Quote from: CBBUser on July 31, 2017, 09:58:25 PM
Does anybody know the diversion for the X12 in Castle Bromwich as The Green is closed. Was hoping to travel from Arden Hall.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/disruptions/#/params?DisruptionType=true&when=All&TransportModeA=5#3712_Centro
QuoteService X12 - Buses will be diverted via Parkfield drive and Water Orton Road. Passengers should board or alight at the bus stops on the unaffected sections of Chester Road.
Daytime journeys are unaffected and will continue to serve the normal bus stops.
4504 is on the X12
Did I see one of the mmcs from yw 50 route on the x12 today
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 20, 2017, 11:17:43 PM
Did I see one of the mmcs from yw 50 route on the x12 today
It was 6144 according to a post made in the "Buses on Loan" thread.
6144 again on the X12 this morning
Couple of 11 branded Geminis off route today, out on the 1/5/31. Presumably there's a bunch of Crimson Geminis off the road hence the loans.
Not long got of 4304 on the 11A, the driver has been stopping at stops and when he closes the doors for some reason the bus won't move again, it did it at the Yew Tree where it took him 10 minutes to get it to move, by Stechford Station and Stechford Lane next to Stechford Road.
Quote from: 2206 on September 22, 2017, 04:52:29 PM
Not long got of 4304 on the 11A, the driver has been stopping at stops and when he closes the doors for some reason the bus won't move again, it did it at the Yew Tree where it took him 10 minutes to get it to move, by Stechford Station and Stechford Lane next to Stechford Road.
If they are anything like the Plaxton Presidents, it sounds like a dodgy interlock.
Quote from: 2206 on September 22, 2017, 04:52:29 PM
Not long got of 4304 on the 11A, the driver has been stopping at stops and when he closes the doors for some reason the bus won't move again, it did it at the Yew Tree where it took him 10 minutes to get it to move, by Stechford Station and Stechford Lane next to Stechford Road.
One word - SHED!
Never liked 4300-4304. Sluggish as anything, happy to see the back of them from PB.
Quote from: 2206 on September 22, 2017, 04:52:29 PM
Not long got of 4304 on the 11A, the driver has been stopping at stops and when he closes the doors for some reason the bus won't move again, it did it at the Yew Tree where it took him 10 minutes to get it to move, by Stechford Station and Stechford Lane next to Stechford Road.
4302 had similar issue when at Walsall. Close doors, interlock releases, then when a driver is accelerating to go, interlock comes back on and the brakes would activate. It was annoying for the drivers. Certain drivers kept booking it off until it would get fixed - apparently it never got fixed until it transferred to Acocks Green.
I like 4300, 4301, and 4304. 4301 used to be very loud when at Walsall. Every time when a driver released handbrake, it did this loud howl, was brilliant!
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 23, 2017, 09:23:54 AM
I like 4300, 4301, and 4304. 4301 used to be very loud when at Walsall. Every time when a driver released handbrake, it did this loud howl, was brilliant!
Was 4300 the one that had its fans blasting out all the time? Is it's not that one than its 4303. 4301 is the only good one out of 4300-4304 but that still has its issues.
Quote from: Jack on September 23, 2017, 09:33:26 AM
Was 4300 the one that had its fans blasting out all the time? Is it's not that one than its 4303. 4301 is the only good one out of 4300-4304 but that still has its issues.
4301 was the one I didn't like to drive. One of the pedals was very light and very hard to drive smoothly I think it was the accelerator in this one and the brake pedal in 4260. 4300 was a good one, can't remember the others so they were probably average. I miss them at Perry Barr, they stood out with the Scottish registrations
Quote from: Jack on September 23, 2017, 09:33:26 AM
Was 4300 the one that had its fans blasting out all the time? Is it's not that one than its 4303. 4301 is the only good one out of 4300-4304 but that still has its issues.
I think it was 4300.
Meanwhile, whilst on subject of B7 ALXs, is 4295 poorly? Just that since it transferred to Acocks Green, I had it once on 11A couple of months later, and then I haven't seen it or heard any sightings of 4295 for a while. Or am I just unlucky with 4295 now after having it many times at Walsall?
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 23, 2017, 09:53:50 AM
I think it was 4300.
Meanwhile, whilst on subject of B7 ALXs, is 4295 poorly? Just that since it transferred to Acocks Green, I had it once on 11A couple of months later, and then I haven't seen it or heard any sightings of 4295 for a while. Or am I just unlucky with 4295 now after having it many times at Walsall?
I always see 4295, whenever I'm I'm in Solihull it's one of the first buses I see. Ridden it on the 73.
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 23, 2017, 09:53:50 AM
I think it was 4300.
Meanwhile, whilst on subject of B7 ALXs, is 4295 poorly? Just that since it transferred to Acocks Green, I had it once on 11A couple of months later, and then I haven't seen it or heard any sightings of 4295 for a while. Or am I just unlucky with 4295 now after having it many times at Walsall?
It was on the 73 yesterday
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 23, 2017, 10:03:44 AM
It was on the 73 yesterday
Where it always is. Before the 73 was back at AG, I would always see 4295 on the 1.
Thanks guys. Will have to look harder next time. :P
Quote from: Jack on September 23, 2017, 10:04:53 AM
Where it always is. Before the 73 was back at AG, I would always see 4295 on the 1.
They don't just stick to the 73 or any specific route. They get about onto the 1 and 11 as well and 4295 is no different.
Quote from: 2206 on September 23, 2017, 04:54:02 PM
They don't just stick to the 73 or any specific route. They get about onto the 1 and 11 as we'll and 4295 is no different.
I know it doesn't have a specific route, I'm just saying that I always see it on the 73 and rarely on the 1 and 11. Sometimes see it on the 72.
Either 4651 or 4658 has a All-over AD for Resorts World. Saw it earlier on Carrs Lane on the 5/31.
Quote from: Jack on September 23, 2017, 06:39:43 PM
Either 4651 or 4658 has a All-over AD for Resorts World. Saw it earlier on Carrs Lane on the 5/31.
4658
Quote from: Tony on September 23, 2017, 06:41:12 PM
4658
It actually suites the bodywork. It's weird seeing a Gemini with an All-over as they usually get thrown onto the Tridents/ALX B7's.
It's funny NX have put this on 4658, seeing they no longer run to Resorts World anymore on the 97A!
Quote from: Jack on September 23, 2017, 06:42:51 PM
It actually suites the bodywork. It's weird seeing a Gemini with an All-over as they usually get thrown onto the Tridents/ALX B7's.
It's funny NX have put this on 4658, seeing they no longer run to Resorts World anymore on the 97A!
I choose the vehicles, depending on where the advertiser requests it.
NX don't choose the adverts, the advertising request them. Resorts World wanted a bus that went to both Birmingham and Solihull. What difference does the 97A make, people at the NEC know about Resorts World. The whole point of the advert is to let people who don't know about know where it is.
Quote from: Tony on September 23, 2017, 06:50:43 PM
I choose the vehicles, depending on where the advertiser requests it.
NX don't choose the adverts, the advertising request them. Resorts World wanted a bus that went to both Birmingham and Solihull. What difference does the 97A make, people at the NEC know about Resorts World. The whole point of the advert is to let people who don't know about know where it is.
I know how to get to Resorts World from the NEC. After a naughty 97A only went to the International Station (Saturday) when they are suppose to go to Resorts World on Saturdays. TBH you can go and say that to the people who weren't happy to see the 97A go and have to do a walk. After the the 97A was withdrawn, there was many people saying that it was deliberately taken off? Wasn't it funded for by Resorts World?
Quote from: Jack on September 23, 2017, 06:54:51 PM
I know how to get to Resorts World from the NEC. After a naughty 97A only went to the International Station (Saturday) when they are suppose to go to Resorts World on Saturdays. TBH you can go and say that to the people who weren't happy to see the 97A go and have to do a walk. After the the 97A was withdrawn, there was many people saying that it was deliberately taken off? Wasn't it funded for by Resorts World?
Why was it withdrawn, if it was well used ? Because when I used it I was the only person on the bus.
Did all these people complaining actually use it, or were they only complaining for the sake of it, like those complaining about the 71/72 and then when a replacement (the 71a is introduced) nobody uses it.
Quote from: 2206 on September 23, 2017, 06:58:01 PM
Why was it withdrawn, if it was well used ? Because when I used it I was the only person on the bus.
Did all these people complaining actually use it, or were they only complaining for the sake of it, like those complaining about the 71/72 and then when a replacement (the 71a is introduced) nobody uses it.
No it was funded. Resorts World must of not wanted to fund NX anymore for it. Those complaining for the 71 was for it Solihull to Sutton. The 71A carries nothing because of the 71E who hog the Stop at Solihull.
Saw the 11's being diverted via Spring Hill, presumably via Five Ways as well today.
Looked very odd seeing them at Spring hill. 4230 and a 46XX Gemini are on the City Hospital to Bearwood 11a/c connection shuttle.
Also Hybrids on the BC 24 being diverted allover the place, down the Dudley Road, City Road then Hagley Road. That also looked very odd.
2212 has had its rear window branding reapplied. Rode it yesterday on the 37.
The driver on 4663 on the 11C this morning was telling passengers that he's never heard of the £3 local daysaver, this morning. The full 11 route is within the boundary.
http://nxdudley.oneblackbear.com/files/2017-09/local-daysaver-map-september.jpg
Quote from: 2206 on October 02, 2017, 08:58:43 PM
The driver on 4663 on the 11C this morning was telling passengers that he's never heard of the £3 local daysaver, this morning. The full 11 route is within the boundary.
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Someone tried to buy one on the 28 yesterday evening, driver was trying to say it wasn't valid and it wasn't coming up as an option on his Init machine - despite it being entirely valid...
4656 went out of service at the Station Roaad, Flaxley Road stop on the 11A in Stechford at 15:45 due to a fault with the bus.
I saw 2220 being towed down Olton Boulevard East today at 12:20PM.
4502 is on the 5 today if anyone needs it post repaint, 10:50 departure from Solihull.
4296 had 'Driver Training Not in Service' on its display. Was doing circles of Acocks Green and later saw it on Severne Road heading towards Broomhall Crescent. Perhaps learning the 1?
Could just have been a new driver getting familiar with the type, one of the first things you do at a new depot is get type trained.
4677 unloading passengers in Bearwood after some hooligans thought it'd be a funny joke to open the emergency exit!
Quote from: CL on November 08, 2017, 02:57:24 PM
4677 unloading passengers in Bearwood after some hooligans thought it'd be a funny joke to open the emergency exit!
Throwing everyone of because someone opened an emergency exit?
The emergency exits can be closed just as easily as they're opened?
Or did they smash a window in or something.
Quote from: 2206 on November 08, 2017, 05:19:11 PM
Throwing everyone of because someone opened an emergency exit?
The emergency exits can be closed just as easily as they're opened?
Or did they smash a window in or something.
The driver didn't leave the cab, as far as I'm aware; as I believe it was the upstairs emergency exit window. Thengine was turned off, however, for a substantial amount of time - in which another 11 (only a few minutes behind) managed to catch up (and even allow some passengers to change onto it!), before subsequently overtaking. Not sure if passengers on the bottom deck were told to get off, but those on the top deck quickly followed suit. As you say, the emergency exits could be closed as easily as they've been opened... I didn't think much of it at the time, and was sure the bus would eventually start moving.
I caught the 82 in the end.
4225 was on the 37 today, it stood out to me because not only is it on loan but this bus is not fitted with traps and was operating on a route that enters the city centre.
Quote from: lauren1993 on November 10, 2017, 02:25:40 AM
4225 was on the 37 today, it stood out to me because not only is it on loan but this bus is not fitted with traps and was operating on a route that enters the city centre.
4225 isn't on loan. It lives at AG and the 37 is run from AG.
@lauren1993
Quote from: lauren1993 on November 10, 2017, 02:25:40 AM
4225 was on the 37 today, it stood out to me because not only is it on loan but this bus is not fitted with traps and was operating on a route that enters the city centre.
Sure it was on there yesterday too
EDIT: Didn't read the time on Lauren posted, thought it was today ;D
Quote from: Jack on November 10, 2017, 07:03:30 AM
4225 isn't on loan. It lives at AG and the 37 is run from AG. @lauren1993
Ah, yes forgot about that one transferring. Silly me!
Quote from: lauren1993 on November 11, 2017, 06:20:50 AM
Ah, yes forgot about that one transferring. Silly me!
If the City didn't have the Euro rules then they'd probably be allowed in the City on the 37. They do suit the 37.
Quick question here, does anyone have the via points shown on the outer circle and also what the E destinations are?
The E's I have so far are Acocks Green, Bearwood, Perry Barr, Fox & Goose, Kings Heath & City Hospital.
Quote from: Dom on November 15, 2017, 05:57:00 PM
Quick question here, does anyone have the via points shown on the outer circle and also what the E destinations are?
The E's I have so far are Acocks Green, Bearwood, Perry Barr, Fox & Goose, Kings Heath & City Hospital.
E's I've also seen.
Yardley Yew Tree
Yardley Swan
Selly Oak
Plus I've also seen Erdington Six Ways and Handsworth Soho Road displayed. But I haven't seen a 11 display them for a very long time now.
LED destination Via:
Yardley & Acocks Green.
Kings Heath & Bournville.
Selly Oak & Harbourne.
Dudley Road & Handsworth.
Perry Barr & Erdington.
Quote from: Dom on November 15, 2017, 05:57:00 PM
Quick question here, does anyone have the via points shown on the outer circle and also what the E destinations are?
The E's I have so far are Acocks Green, Bearwood, Perry Barr, Fox & Goose, Kings Heath & City Hospital.
E's are:
Acocks Green Garage / Fox Hollies Road (11C only)
Acocks Green / Westley Road
Yardley / Swan (11C only)
Yardley / Yew Tree
Ward End / Fox & Goose
Erdington / Six Ways
Marsh Hill / Gipsy Lane
Perry Barr
Handsworth / Soho Road
Winson Green / City Hospital
Dudley Road / Icknield Port Road
Dudley Road / Summerfield Park
Bearwood / Sandon Road (11C only)
Bearwood / Hagley Road
Harborne
Selly Oak / Sainsbury's / Bristol Road
Cotteridge
Kings Heath / All Saints Church
May have missed one or two. They're basically all the timing points.
Edit: Whilst I was at AG, there was a meeting and basically the conclusion was to make the final destination on the E's bigger, so that's why for the last year or two, it will just say 11E Acocks Green rather than Westley Road etc. Too many retards not reading the destination boards.
Most interesting. Can I ask, why does the 11C have 3 exclusive "E" journeys compared to the 11A ? Is it to do with the route and whether the bus can physically make a U turn ?
Quote from: CL on November 08, 2017, 10:27:35 PM
The driver didn't leave the cab, as far as I'm aware; as I believe it was the upstairs emergency exit window. Thengine was turned off, however, for a substantial amount of time - in which another 11 (only a few minutes behind) managed to catch up (and even allow some passengers to change onto it!), before subsequently overtaking. Not sure if passengers on the bottom deck were told to get off, but those on the top deck quickly followed suit. As you say, the emergency exits could be closed as easily as they've been opened... I didn't think much of it at the time, and was sure the bus would eventually start moving.
I caught the 82 in the end.
The driver is fully within his rights to remain the cab if a situation arises that could affect his or her safety (company policy) , if there was group of people larking about upstairs it can be very intimidating walking through to close the exit.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on November 16, 2017, 01:42:55 AM
Most interesting. Can I ask, why does the 11C have 3 exclusive "E" journeys compared to the 11A ? Is it to do with the route and whether the bus can physically make a U turn ?
Timing point for the 11C is at Yardley Swan, outside the library so not exactly outside Swan.
There's no timing point for the 11A there. The timing point for the 11A is Yew Tree.
Acocks Green Garage / Fox Hollies Road. There's no stop for the 11A. Because of the nature of the 11C route, it'll serve AG Village and then Acocks Green Garage is only 2 stops away, so you may aswell run it to the Garage. Fox Holles Road is also a timing point for the 11C, but it's not for the 11A, as the driver change over for the 11C is on Fox Hollies Road. The 11A timing point is outside Westley Park, and then the immediate next stop is Acocks Green Village. You can't turn the bus round (legally/safely) at the 11A timing point and it makes more sense to run it into Acocks Green Village.
Bearwood / Sandon Road. A few 11C's begin and end the day at this timing point. The route to this stop is basically from Hagley Road, down the 120 route. Then 11A route to Bearwood High Street, and instead of turning left onto the High Street, you turn right onto the 11C route, and then right and the traffic lights and proceed to the Bearwood / Sandon Road timing point. The equivalent for the 11A is the Bearwood / Hagley Road stop.
It's all just what makes sense, so yeah partly where you can physically turn, and the routes to get their and back to Garage.
Cheers of the help
@MW &
@2206
6703 is now back from the paint shop saw at city center at 6:09
Competition on the x12 ; is it actually carrying decent loads then?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 22, 2017, 06:59:59 PM
Competition on the x12 ; is it actually carrying decent loads then?
Competition between Clock Garage and Solihull only, not between the City Centre and Clock Garage.
AG running a Sutton school service didn't see the number but saw Rougley on the fest blind 848 I think it said on positioning journey at spitfire island that's a lot of dead mileage, I'm assuming goes on the 11 after
4304 operated a 11E to Ward End on the 11A this afternoon, two passengers were still on the top deck as it pulled away Out Of Service, as it turned round and started going back towards Acocks Green one of them looked a bit confused.
Quote from: 2206 on November 24, 2017, 08:27:59 PM
4304 operated a 11E to Ward End on the 11A this afternoon, two passengers were still on the top deck as it pulled away Out Of Service, as it turned round and started going back towards Acocks Green one of them looked a bit confused.
That reminds me... slightly unrelated but I saw a streetdeck yesterday on the 9E which then goes NIS from Halesowen in the morning. Passengers remained on this bus when it departed Halesowen NIS. What happens to these passengers??
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 24, 2017, 02:30:36 PM
AG running a Sutton school service didn't see the number but saw Rougley on the fest blind 848 I think it said on positioning journey at spitfire island that's a lot of dead mileage, I'm assuming goes on the 11 after
Are you sure?
If it was at Spitfire Island going towards Roughley then that doesn't sound like its a NX bus and it sounds like it's the TGB 843.
TGB 843 - King Edwards Handsworth - King Edwards Aston - Ward End - Bromford - Spitfire Island, Castle Vale - Walmley - Roughley.
I can't find any NX 848 route or NX school route that goes to Roughley.
It sounds like a President still in NX Red and White on the 843?
Is the X12 Gemini operated then mostly today?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 25, 2017, 01:21:13 PM
Is the X12 Gemini operated then mostly today?
4501 is on the X12. I've seen quite a few E400 MMC, including 6705 though.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 25, 2017, 01:21:13 PM
Is the X12 Gemini operated then mostly today?
The X12 has a Gemini in it everyday.
Quote from: 2206 on November 25, 2017, 01:25:50 PM
4501 is on the X12. I've seen quite a few E400 MMC, including 6705 though.
So is 4505 saw it around 10:30 Solihull bound
Noticed today when 6704 was on the 37 towards Birmingham, the rear display showed the list of stops in the wrong order! It showed Olton, Acocks Green, Sparkbrook THEN Tyseley! The front LED was correct though.
Quote from: Jack on November 25, 2017, 02:02:06 PM
The X12 has a Gemini in it everyday.
Today there's at least 4
Quote from: Bus1237 on November 25, 2017, 03:58:52 PM
Noticed today when 6704 was on the 37 towards Birmingham, the rear display showed the list of stops in the wrong order! It showed Olton, Acocks Green, Sparkbrook THEN Tyseley! The front LED was correct though.
I actually saw 6706 doing the same! Must be a programming error on the Platties.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on November 25, 2017, 02:08:56 PM
So is 4505 saw it around 10:30 Solihull bound
4658 was on the X12 as well.
The driver Parked it up at the Millenium Point, Jennes Road stop towards the City Centre (55/14/94/66 stop) at 15:40 and put its hazards on (blocking part of the road) for quite a while, annoying all the other drivers and making them late, 1824 was about 15 minutes late handing the bus over to the next driver because it was stuck behind 4658 for ages. It later then pulled of going towards Digbeth going back towards Acocks Green Garage.
The driver let the traffic build up for no reason, when he could have gone round the corner and parked 4658 up at the X61 stop where it would have been out of the way.
It seems like there was a fuelling issue last night. Some buses apparently had to go to Yardley Wood for refuelling. It would explain the unusual workings today
Quote from: John on November 25, 2017, 07:07:42 PM
It seems like there was a fuelling issue last night. Some buses apparently had to go to Yardley Wood for refuelling. It would explain the unusual workings today
I was outside AG a few days ago and it's queue of buses was hitting the road, I even saw a few buses queuing up Summer Road.
The current system that NX employs of refuelling a bus when it comes back is good because it ensures when a bus comes back and is parked up, it's ready to go and pretty much do any board (Providing it's suitable for the route). Although during times of almost severe queuing due to a variety of factors, (I'm led to believe PB can be chaotic at times), would it not be better to simply drive a bus in and park it and refuel it during the evening/ night ?
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on November 25, 2017, 08:30:59 PM
I was outside AG a few days ago and it's queue of buses was hitting the road, I even saw a few buses queuing up Summer Road.
The current system that NX employs of refuelling a bus when it comes back is good because it ensures when a bus comes back and is parked up, it's ready to go and pretty much do any board (Providing it's suitable for the route). Although during times of almost severe queuing due to a variety of factors, (I'm led to believe PB can be chaotic at times), would it not be better to simply drive a bus in and park it and refuel it during the evening/ night ?
PB is horrendous. Cars drive up the pavements and beep their horns at the stationary buses, no consideration for both bus drivers or pedestrians.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on November 25, 2017, 08:30:59 PM
I was outside AG a few days ago and it's queue of buses was hitting the road, I even saw a few buses queuing up Summer Road.
The current system that NX employs of refuelling a bus when it comes back is good because it ensures when a bus comes back and is parked up, it's ready to go and pretty much do any board (Providing it's suitable for the route). Although during times of almost severe queuing due to a variety of factors, (I'm led to believe PB can be chaotic at times), would it not be better to simply drive a bus in and park it and refuel it during the evening/ night ?
Summer Road is regularly full of buses blocking entrances to driveways / houses. Just depends what time you go there. It's not practical to park buses and fuel later. When the garage is full, there's no way you can move buses around willy nilly. There's space for about 7-8 cars inside the garage when it's full, so you can imagine how tight it is compared to the 50 or so cars during the day.
Seems a bit odd the 1 won't run on Boxing Day is that a tendered route on sundays then?
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 28, 2017, 11:13:12 PM
Seems a bit odd the 1 won't run on Boxing Day is that a tendered route on sundays then?
I suppose it's because the main clientele of the 1 are basically school kids and people who work in offices in the Five Ways area. Not really a "shopping" route. People tend to rush to the City Centre on Boxing Day. That's just a guess of course.
Quote from: MW on November 29, 2017, 01:41:40 AM
I suppose it's because the main clientele of the 1 are basically school kids and people who work in offices in the Five Ways area. Not really a "shopping" route. People tend to rush to the City Centre on Boxing Day. That's just a guess of course.
It's extremely quiet nowadays, back with the Toothpaste Presidents I use to see the 1 have good loads, also is served the Town Hall, but I'm sure it was shortened because of peak traffic on Paradise Circus?
Quote from: Jack on November 29, 2017, 04:08:13 PM
It's extremely quiet nowadays, back with the Toothpaste Presidents I use to see the 1 have good loads, also is served the Town Hall, but I'm sure it was shortened because of peak traffic on Paradise Circus?
The 1 is very well used at peak times.
The 1 is one of those routes that's rammed in peaks, but literally a ghost town at other times. The PVR literally doubles at peaks if I remember correctly. Back when it was run by the branded Plaxton Presidents, you'd see a few of them lying around in the garage during the day. Maybe that's why they scrapped the branding.
Quote from: MW on November 29, 2017, 08:28:01 PM
The 1 is one of those routes that's rammed in peaks, but literally a ghost town at other times. The PVR literally doubles at peaks if I remember correctly. Back when it was run by the branded Plaxton Presidents, you'd see a few of them lying around in the garage during the day. Maybe that's why they scrapped the branding.
In Moesley in the PM peak towards Acocks Green they're fairly busy. But the ones I've been on towards Five Ways have all been empty, from what I saw.
Quote from: MW on November 29, 2017, 08:28:01 PM
The 1 is one of those routes that's rammed in peaks, but literally a ghost town at other times. The PVR literally doubles at peaks if I remember correctly. Back when it was run by the branded Plaxton Presidents, you'd see a few of them lying around in the garage during the day. Maybe that's why they scrapped the branding.
Correct, it is every 10 between Five Ways and Acocks Green at peaks and every 20 during the day, seeing some of the loadings it gets towards the Five Ways end I can understand the logic behind this! I wonder if it will completely die out if they do send it to the Q.E.
Quote from: 2206 on November 29, 2017, 08:31:21 PM
In Moesley in the PM peak towards Acocks Green they're fairly busy. But the ones I've been on towards Five Ways have all been empty, from what I saw.
Yeah, it's the opposite in the AM peak basically.
Maybe they should only run it one way in the morning and the other way in the afternoon 😂
When I used to live in Acocks Green, on Shirley Road just up from the library, the 1 used to be a useful route for me. If I was in the city centre, I'd get it from the Town Hall or Broad Street, rather than walking all the way to the 37 stop. On Sundays when I go visit my parents, I'd get the 1 to and from Broad Street and change onto the 120 rather than travelling all the way into the city centre. On occasions while travelling home from work, it was sometimes as quick or quicker to get the 5 or 6 to Springfield, the 2 or 3 to Wake Green, or even the 50 to Moseley, and then change onto the 1.
I feel it became less useful for passengers the more it got curtailed (from Town Hall to Sheepcote Street to Five Ways Morrisons), and this was done simply because more running time was needed (due to increasing congestion) but it was not viable enough to put on extra buses. Hence why it got extended from the Acocks Green end instead.
I don't use this route anymore, so can't comment on reliability or passenger loadings, but if enough passengers feel it would be useful to serve the QE and University from Moseley and Acocks Green, if the route needs to change then it should.
Quote from: drp123 on November 30, 2017, 08:15:51 AM
4643 YW 76 8.10 kings heath
AG operate an AM Board on the 76 Monday-Friday (76/09) :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on November 30, 2017, 08:43:05 AM
AG operate an AM Board on the 76 Monday-Friday (76/09) :)
Thanks for letting me know. I have never seen it Before! Looked very smart.
Bromford Lane is closed and the 11C is being diverted overnight for 4 nights from 03/12 till Thursday according to thenotice at the 11C Old Bromford Lane stop, the nearest stop is the Fox and Goose.
Does anyone know what route they're using, as if that stops closed and the nearest stops the Fox and Goose the diversion route on the NWM website doesn't make any sense (Diverted along Bromford Road, Chester Road and Tyburn Road)?
Quote from: 2206 on December 04, 2017, 09:40:12 PM
Bromford Lane is closed and the 11C is being diverted overnight for 4 nights from 03/12 till Thursday according to thenotice at the 11C Old Bromford Lane stop, the nearest stop is the Fox and Goose.
Does anyone know what route they're using, as if that stops closed and the nearest stops the Fox and Goose the diversion route on the NWM website doesn't make any sense (Diverted along Bromford Road, Chester Road and Tyburn Road)?
Think the diversion is Tyburn road to baggot arms, then 28 route to fox and goose
4663 was parked up at the Yew Tree on the 11C this morning, the driver turned the engine of and the driver was saying he's not going anywhere as the bus was to overcrowded.
4256, 4276 and 4277 all on the 73 today.
@John E200 MMC's are common on all of AG's route bar the 11 and X12.
According to NX's website. On the page were it lists those services which run on a Saturday timetable (With additional morning journeys) from 27 - 29th December, it lists the 11C to run to a Saturday service but not the 11A, which I assume will be running to its normal schedule.
How come the 11C doesn't run to normal a timetable or if they expect lighter loadings, then why doesn't the 11A run to a Saturday service ?
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on December 27, 2017, 08:29:05 PM
According to NX's website. On the page were it lists those services which run on a Saturday timetable (With additional morning journeys) from 27 - 29th December, it lists the 11C to run to a Saturday service but not the 11A, which I assume will be running to its normal schedule.
How come the 11C doesn't run to normal a timetable or if they expect lighter loadings, then why doesn't the 11A run to a Saturday service ?
All NX routes are operating to Saturday timetables with ammended journeys on certain services like the, 71 and 11C.
Quote from: Jack on December 27, 2017, 01:25:35 PM
@John E200 MMC's are common on all of AG's route bar the 11 and X12.
Not realy common on the 5 and 31 - 5 and 31 is usually just Gemini. They're not common on the 1 and Saturdays either.
They're common on the 37, 58, 1 (Monday - Fridays (are they used on Sundays as well?) - i've used it for a few years nearly every Saturdays and its nearly always 100 percent decker and its rare to see anything else on there. It seems to be most), 72 and 73
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 05, 2018, 04:31:40 PM
2234 on the 73 and 2238 on the 58.
@Eric Shaw , E200s are the usual and only allocation for the 58.
Your post should have gone in Buses On Loan thread, not Noteworthy Workings.
Does anyone know what journeys the AG 76 and YW 72 operate, please?
Quote from: Rob2832 on November 30, 2017, 08:43:05 AM
AG operate an AM Board on the 76 Monday-Friday (76/09) :)
Any one know what the change is to the 58 from March
Quote from: Solo1 on January 19, 2018, 06:56:20 PM
Any one know what the change is to the 58 from March
What change?
Quote from: Stu on January 19, 2018, 07:31:50 PM
What change?
There was a registration on the DVSA website on Tuesday, I think he's asking about that.
"
PD0001111/52 Registered
WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD
Route: Yardley to Solihull via Lyndon
Service number: 58 (58)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Mar 2018
PD0001111/47 Registered
WEST MIDLANDS TRAVEL LTD
Route: Birmingham to Druids Heath and Wythall via Moseley, Kings Heath
Service number: 50 (50, 50A)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Mar 2018
"
Quote from: Stu on January 19, 2018, 07:31:50 PM
What change?
No longer serving Solihull Station from the 11th March.
@Stu.
Quote from: 37351ml on February 02, 2018, 01:54:34 PM
BC 2141 followed by BC 2142 on consecutive (AG) 72's. Solihull at 13.47
2142 was going down the Warwick Road in Acocks Green at about 15:20 this afternoon, heading towards Solihull.
Does anyone know what the Crimson Omnilink is doing in Acocks Green Garage? It was parked up near the entrance to the road in the Garage between 16:15 and 16:30 while I was waiting for the 11.
Either a PB 70XX Omnilink, or an exAG WB 19XX Omnilink, as it was ticket branded.
Quote from: 2206 on February 06, 2018, 05:00:37 PM
Does anyone know what the Crimson Omnilink is doing in Acocks Green Garage?
Either a PB 70XX Omnilink, or an exAG WB 19XX Omnilink, as it was ticket branded.
Or 1876/77, both are ticket branded.
Quote from: 2206 on February 06, 2018, 05:00:37 PM
Does anyone know what the Crimson Omnilink is doing in Acocks Green Garage? It was parked up near the entrance to the road in the Garage between 16:15 and 16:30 while I was waiting for the 11.
Either a PB 70XX Omnilink, or an exAG WB 19XX Omnilink, as it was ticket branded.
Being loaned? Getting a ticket machine?
Quote from: 2206 on February 06, 2018, 05:00:37 PM
Does anyone know what the Crimson Omnilink is doing in Acocks Green Garage? It was parked up near the entrance to the road in the Garage between 16:15 and 16:30 while I was waiting for the 11.
Either a PB 70XX Omnilink, or an exAG WB 19XX Omnilink, as it was ticket branded.
It's 1939, no idea why it's there
Quote from: Tony on February 06, 2018, 06:26:23 PM
It's 1939, no idea why it's there
Thanks for the info.
4260 is on the 11C, unsure if this is a loan or transfer so posted here.
Quote from: V89MOA on February 08, 2018, 11:48:58 AM
4260 is on the 11C, unsure if this is a loan or transfer so posted here.
4260 & 4267 have swapped, so 4260 is now an AG bus, 4267 is back at WB
Quote from: Tony on February 08, 2018, 03:17:46 PM
4260 & 4267 have swapped, so 4260 is now an AG bus, 4267 is back at WB
Thank you for the clarification Tony.
One of the E200MMCs has got some sort of army advert/branding going on. It may be a YW one, as I didn't get the fleet number, although I've just seen it on Acocks Green. It's got a full rear advert in blue, and one of those square side adverts on the near side covering the windows and panels of the bus. Didn't see offside. Destination says "For Our Forces".
Quote from: MW on March 13, 2018, 05:23:07 AM
One of the E200MMCs has got some sort of army advert/branding going on. It may be a YW one, as I didn't get the fleet number, although I've just seen it on Acocks Green. It's got a full rear advert in blue, and one of those square side adverts on the near side covering the windows and panels of the bus. Didn't see offside. Destination says "For Our Forces".
2201
@Tony what was 2201 doing in London ?
Quote from: Chris on March 13, 2018, 10:26:44 PM
@Tony what was 2201 doing in London ?
It was for the re-signing of the National Express Millitary covenant which guarantees ex MoD staff an interview for jobs and allows them cheaper fares on the coach network
They should keep that wrap on for a bit so more folks will
see it
It was not on it lunch time today.
Quote from: midlandred2003 on March 14, 2018, 03:30:02 PM
It was not on it lunch time today.
It was taken off again last night just after I took it back into the garage
Quote from: Tony on March 14, 2018, 03:32:56 PM
It was taken off again last night just after I took it back into the garage
So it was you driving it at about 0520 towards Solihull? Went past my house. Presumably towards the M42/M40.
I took it down through Hampton in Arden, Stonebridge, M6 Junction 4 and the M1. Yes it was me at 05:20
forgot to mention yesterday, but 4638(?) has new style price branding - similar to branding used on the Outer Circle in that it's yellow. something about £6.
It says family daysaver or family ticket £6 because it was on the 72 this morning
4252, 4293, 4298, 4503 and 4504 on the 73 today. This route has been operated by single deckers on Saturdays since last June, interworking with the 58.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on March 17, 2018, 10:43:46 AM
4252, 4293, 4298, 4503 and 4504 on the 73 today. This route has been operated by single deckers on Saturdays since last June, interworking with the 58.
I'll be interested to see the what they do on Saturdays when the 58 timetable is changed as it will be reduced on Saturdays to every 30 mins
2203 is on 5/31.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on March 17, 2018, 10:43:46 AM
4252, 4293, 4298, 4503 and 4504 on the 73 today. This route has been operated by single deckers on Saturdays since last June, interworking with the 58.
I saw all this too. Does it no longer Interwork with the 58 on Saturdays? There was more E200 MMC's than usual on the 72 too.
Quote from: Jack on March 17, 2018, 03:49:16 PM
2203 is on 5/31.
I saw all this too. Does it no longer Interwork with the 58 on Saturdays? There was more E200 MMC's than usual on the 72 too.
The 58 is running to the Town Centre only now, so maybe that's got to do with it?
It's only every 30 mins now on Saturday, so that would release more E200s. Still every 20 mins Mon - Fri.
Quote from: CL on March 16, 2018, 11:17:07 AM
forgot to mention yesterday, but 4638(?) has new style price branding - similar to branding used on the Outer Circle in that it's yellow. something about £6.
4529 has too. £4 groupsaver mobile ticket
Quote from: John on March 17, 2018, 06:32:20 PM
4529 has too. £4 groupsaver mobile ticket
So does 4640.
is 2241 on loan at acocks green because i saw it at the yewtree and it was being driven by an engineer
Quote from: Jordan on March 19, 2018, 11:25:14 AM
is 2241 on loan at acocks green because i saw it at the yewtree and it was being driven by an engineer
No
Quote from: Tony on March 19, 2018, 11:40:33 AM
No
Do you know what it was doing, I saw it as well heading towards Stechford at Yardley, Swan at 08:30 this morning?
are the e200s are just for the JLR contract or normal service aswell
4296 was blaring its fans today, on the 73, haven't heard a ALX400 blaring its fans for while. Echoed up Common Lane in Sheldon.
Quote from: Jordan on April 04, 2018, 05:19:55 PM
are the e200s are just for the JLR contract or normal service aswell
I went on 2231 on the 37 a few days ago.
The shuttle between JLR Solihull and the airport has started today, currently being operated by 2202; 2207 & 2227
762 is currently running the internal Gaydon shuttle service with 756 available for the second shift
Acocks Green short of Buses/Drivers?
Judging by the attached from NXWMs Twitter they had mileage stood on the 72 yesterday afternoon.
2206 - 5/31
4276 has gained a mega-rear ad for Twycross Zoo. On the 73 today.
Quote from: Jack on May 12, 2018, 05:03:31 PM
4276 has gained a mega-rear ad for Twycross Zoo. On the 73 today.
No, its had it for a couple of months now.
Quote from: 2206 on May 12, 2018, 05:11:39 PM
No, its had it for a couple of months now.
Apologies haven't seen it before and haven't seen 4276 for a long time either.
Quote from: Jack on May 12, 2018, 05:16:42 PM
Apologies haven't seen it before and haven't seen 4276 for a long time either.
So why assume it's only just gained an advert?
Quote from: WMT3000 on May 13, 2018, 07:43:38 AM
So why assume it's only just gained an advert?
As it's an advert I've not seen before, granted it looks abit like 4278 but completely different colour and style. Also I've not seen any post on here that it's had an advert applied.
Was at Five Ways an hour or two ago, 6701 parked outside Morrisons.
Anyone know if it went onto the 1/1E?
2 Gemini got stuck on Dudley Park Road in Acocks Green earlier today at 11:15, with no room to pass each other due to parked cars.
One of them was 4679 on the 11A, the other was a 45XX on the 11C.
Does anyone know weather NXWM are going to be selling ticket machine's at their open day this weekend.
THANKS IN ADVANCED
Details are on the nx website it's free by looks of it
Quote from: BusMan Greg on June 19, 2018, 06:32:06 PM
Does anyone know weather NXWM are going to be selling ticket machine's at their open day this weekend.
THANKS IN ADVANCED
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 19, 2018, 06:38:31 PM
Details are on the nx website it's free by looks of it
To quote the NX site, "disused equipment sale".
I did bag myself one of the old style printers, but didn't stay long enough to pick up one of the *defunct* Wayfarer TGX200s. Unfortunately, due to prior arrangements, I can't make it to Acocks Green.
Here's to hoping they have some left at the Bus Bash / Yardley Wood later this year... :(
Quote from: CL on June 19, 2018, 09:30:37 PM
To quote the NX site, "disused equipment sale".
I did bag myself one of the old style printers, but didn't stay long enough to pick up one of the *defunct* Wayfarer TGX200s. Unfortunately, due to prior arrangements, I can't make it to Acocks Green.
Here's to hoping they have some left at the Bus Bash / Yardley Wood later this year... :(
There is no bus bash this year
What will be operating the vintage bus shuttle?
Quote from: metrocity on June 19, 2018, 10:14:33 PM
What will be operating the vintage bus shuttle?
@Tony said 3225 will hopefully be on there.
Does anyone know what the second bus would likely be?
Quote from: Tony on June 15, 2018, 07:43:21 PM
We have a problem getting the Metrobus an MoT at the moment because of the speed it is capable of!
3225 will hopefully be carrying passengers if the engine goes in on time.
Quote from: John on June 19, 2018, 10:11:02 PM
There is no bus bash this year
??? I had been under the impression that it was taking place on the 9th September? Has it been cancelled? :o
Quote from: CL on June 19, 2018, 11:32:04 PM
??? I had been under the impression that it was taking place on the 9th September? Has it been cancelled? :o
Yes.
Quote from: CL on June 19, 2018, 11:32:04 PM
??? I had been under the impression that it was taking place on the 9th September? Has it been cancelled? :o
There's talk of combining it with the Wythall event in August. Unfortunately it will be watered down if it happens due to restricted space at the museum.
Theres plenty of space on the roads inside the Pheonix site next door.
They had a big display of PTE buses there a few years back
Quote from: dingding on June 20, 2018, 02:26:32 PM
Theres plenty of space on the roads inside the Pheonix site next door.
They had a big display of PTE buses there a few years back
Not sure if they could use that now. No mention of anything happening this morning when I was up the museum.
A quick literal 'heads up' for anyone attending the open day tomorrow. The Red Arrows are due to transit over JLR Solihull, so you might want to be aiming your cameras in that direction at a shade before 1pm ;-)
Go North East's Levante 7111 BF63ZRY was parked up in AG garage earlier, not sure if another transfer for JLR work?
how come their was a hansons bus a the open day
Quote from: Jordan on June 23, 2018, 04:53:18 PM
how come their was a hansons bus a the open day
Why can't there be?
Preserved ex Hanson's bus
i was just wondering
Quote from: John on June 23, 2018, 04:54:59 PM
Why can't there be?
Preserved ex Hanson's bus
The only Hansons bus in preservation too, unless someone purchases one from Diamond in the future.
oh okay i thought is was preserved but just wasnt sure
Quote from: Winston on June 23, 2018, 03:48:28 PM
Go North East's Levante 7111 BF63ZRY was parked up in AG garage earlier, not sure if another transfer for JLR work?
Seemed to be a private hire. Someone who was on it commented on my photo. Brought some enthusiasts to the event.
Quote from: james99 on June 23, 2018, 09:43:47 PM
Seemed to be a private hire. Someone who was on it commented on my photo. Brought some enthusiasts to the event.
Long way to come, it did have To North East on the LED's & fleetnumbers still
Quote from: Winston on June 23, 2018, 10:34:26 PM
Long way to come, it did have To North East on the LED's & fleetnumbers still
It was just a group of enthusiasts from Go North East visiting the open day
I've seen 2 E200 MMC's going down Dartmouth Middleway and Lawley Middleway going towards Bordesley Circus (Crossing Nechells Parkway/Jennens Road) this afternoon.
The first was an unbranded E200 MMC which had passengers onboard at approximatley 13:20.
The second was a ticket branded (pink ticket branding) E200 MMC at about 14:35.
Does anybody know what they're doing.
I was to far away to identify them as I was on the 55 and later the 94.
Quote from: 2206 on June 26, 2018, 03:16:42 PM
I've seen 2 E200 MMC's going down Dartmouth Middleway and Lawley Middleway going towards Bordesley Circus (Crossing Nechells Parkway/Jennens Road) this afternoon.
The first was an unbranded E200 MMC which had passengers onboard at approximatley 13:20.
The second was a ticket branded E200 MMC at about 14:35.
Does anybody know what they're doing.
I was to far away to identify them as I was on the 55 and later the 94.
Warwick Road is closed at the junction with Stratford Road. Only affects outbound buses. Inbound is as normal. This is probably the diversion. It's been like this for a few days. Presumably they'll come down Golden Hillock Road and back onto Warwick Road
Quote from: MW on June 26, 2018, 04:45:44 PM
Warwick Road is closed at the junction with Stratford Road. Only affects outbound buses. Inbound is as normal. This is probably the diversion. It's been like this for a few days. Presumably they'll come down Golden Hillock Road and back onto Warwick Road
Warwick Road is closed between Stratford Road and Baker Street roundabout for works, only outbound. It started on 18th June and doesn't reopen until 16th July. The 37's (outbound) are diverted via Walford Road and Golden Hillock Road.
@MW
Quote from: Jack on July 14, 2018, 02:24:06 PM
6705 - 1
Not paticularly unusual, when i've seen and used the 1. Just about everything gets onto the 1.
I've seen plenty of E400 MMC get on there over the past 18 months, though they tend to operate the peak workings.
It used to be a nice route with a large variety of vehicle types on there , Presidents, Omnilink, E200 MMC, Gemini, ALX400 B7TL, E400 MMC Platinum. And when AG had them the Crimson E400 MMC on loan from YW were always found on the 1.
But I don't think its paticularly unusual to see one on there.
I haven't used it for a few weeks now, but they definetley used to appear on there now and again?
Quote from: 2206 on July 14, 2018, 02:29:27 PM
Not paticularly unusual, when i've seen and used the 1. Just about everything gets onto the 1.
I've seen plenty of E400 MMC get on there over the past 18 months, though they tend to operate the peak workings.
It used to be a nice route with a large variety of vehicle types on there , Presidents, Omnilink, E200 MMC, Gemini, ALX400 B7TL, E400 MMC Platinum. And when AG had them the Crimson E400 MMC on loan from YW were always found on the 1.
But I don't think its paticularly unusual to see one on there.
I haven't used it for a few weeks now, but they definetley used to appear on there now and again?
Didn't think they were usual on Saturdays? Hence why I posted.
Quote from: Jack on July 14, 2018, 03:30:48 PM
Didn't think they were usual on Saturdays? Hence why I posted.
Yes the MMC (both single and double decks) tend to be less common on Saturdays, these days, when i've seen it.
2219 is now sporting NEW 4/4A Route Branding seen while on 4372 on the 49 around 09:25/09:30.
Hi. Can anyone tell me which route/services the recent ex Scottish dart transfers (733/734) generally work please?...and are we likely to get any more in the near future? thanks
Quote from: windy miller on July 20, 2018, 02:07:43 AM
Hi. Can anyone tell me which route/services the recent ex Scottish dart transfers (733/734) generally work please?...and are we likely to get any more in the near future? thanks
They work 'JLR Site Shuttle' duties from what I can tell, someone will probably correct me if that's wrong though.
Quote from: windy miller on July 20, 2018, 02:07:43 AM
Hi. Can anyone tell me which route/services the recent ex Scottish dart transfers (733/734) generally work please?...and are we likely to get any more in the near future? thanks
Quote from: StourValley98 on July 20, 2018, 03:50:58 AM
They work 'JLR Site Shuttle' duties from what I can tell, someone will probably correct me if that's wrong though.
Internal site shuttle at JLR Gaydon.
Quote from: MW on July 22, 2018, 02:05:52 PM
No idea if noteworthy or normal since it's the first day but out of the 3 4's I've seen today, all have been Gemini. And I noticed the stops between Acocks Green to Solihull being fairly busy.
I noticed during the week from a printed timetable at a Stratford Rd that I had a look at, it shows the 4 operating every 15 mins during Sunday daytime. With the 4A also operating every 15mins.
So an increase in Sunday frequency between Acocks Green/Gospel Oak and city centre, with a reduction between Acocks Green and Solihull.
The 4 seems to be much busier than the 4A though. It seems odd how the 4 and the 4A run at the same frequency although the 4 is going to a town centre but the 4A is going to an island...
I'm angry at the way the 4 has almost halved the service from Acocks Green to Olton and Solihull, my local bus. I hope there'll be protests.
Quote from: Stevo on July 22, 2018, 09:10:32 PM
I'm angry at the way the 4 has almost halved the service from Acocks Green to Olton and Solihull, my local bus. I hope there'll be protests.
Doesn't matter if there is a protest, this is a commercial decision by NX to concentrate resources on the busiest section of route. There is still a frequent service from AG to Solihull by bus and also by train.
Quote from: Stevo on July 22, 2018, 09:10:32 PM
I'm angry at the way the 4 has almost halved the service from Acocks Green to Olton and Solihull, my local bus. I hope there'll be protests.
Exactly the same here!! On Sunday by 5:00 PM the service between Solihull and Birmingham is every 30 minutes, which is utterly useless for me. Considering 3-4 buses can sail past sometimes before one is empty enough for me to board, I really don't understand why the corridor has had a reduce in frequency. The worst time is when college students are trying to come home...
Quote from: Bus1237 on July 22, 2018, 10:23:01 PM
Exactly the same here!! On Sunday by 5:00 PM the service between Solihull and Birmingham is every 30 minutes, which is utterly useless for me. Considering 3-4 buses can sail past sometimes before one is empty enough for me to board, I really don't understand why the corridor has had a reduce in frequency. The worst time is when college students are trying to come home...
How is that useless?
I've never been on that service on a Sunday evening, but I expect that reflects the usage on the service at that time.
Most services see a reduction in frequency anyway after about 5/6 PM on a Sunday evening (eg the 11 goes from every 15 to 20 minutes/72 drops from every 20 to 30 minutes at that time/14 drops from every 15 to every 30 minutes).
With nearly everywhere closed up there are less passengers about and services are generally quiter.
I'd expect the reduced frequency reflects passengers loads at those times, at least you have a bus service at that time, which'd be better than no bus service at all.
I was in the City Centre a few weeks back on a Sunday evening and some buses were leaving the City Centre virtually empty on at about 9PM on the Sunday with only a few passengers onboard.
2209, 2210, 2224, 4279 and 4282 on the 73 this morning. 2205,4283, 4284 and 4304 are on the route this afternoon In another thread it mentions interworking with the 11 and 72. Is this not going to make it impossible to keep euro3 buses out of Solihull? Also Sunny group are still running on the 72. Have they been modified to euro4?
Quote from: Eric Shaw on July 23, 2018, 03:10:10 PM
2209, 2210, 2224, 4279 and 4282 on the 73 this morning. 2205,4283, 4284 and 4304 are on the route this afternoon In another thread it mentions interworking with the 11 and 72. Is this not going to make it impossible to keep euro3 buses out of Solihull? Also Sunny group are still running on the 72. Have they been modified to euro4?
It was mentioned that the 5 and 73 interwork not the 11 and 72.
The 11 still has pleanty of euro 3 vehicles on there today, Branded Gemini and ALX400 B7TL (including 4260 on the 11C), the 11 doesn't interwork with anything.
Thanks 2206, that now makes sense except for the number of branded E200's, but this could be the summer schedule. 2209 and 2210 have recently reappeared..
Quote from: 2206 on July 22, 2018, 10:33:44 PM
How is that useless?
I've never been on that service on a Sunday evening, but I expect that reflects the usage on the service at that time.
Most services see a reduction in frequency anyway after about 5/6 PM on a Sunday evening (eg the 11 goes from every 15 to 20 minutes/72 drops from every 20 to 30 minutes at that time/14 drops from every 15 to every 30 minutes).
With nearly everywhere closed up there are less passengers about and services are generally quiter.
I'd expect the reduced frequency reflects passengers loads at those times, at least you have a bus service at that time, which'd be better than no bus service at all.
I was in the City Centre a few weeks back on a Sunday evening and some buses were leaving the City Centre virtually empty on at about 9PM on the Sunday with only a few passengers onboard.
It's half hourly in the evening too - just not good enough. Passengers are going to find other ways to travel so loadings will decline.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on July 26, 2018, 05:20:58 PM
4645 and 4648 - AG X12
4779 and a Platinum - PB 94
7031 - PB 67
4645 and 4648 on the X12 are certainly not unusual you will find one on there everyday.
7031 on the 67 is not unusual. The Omnilinks are regularly on the Lichfield Road services, only thing that'd be unusual on there is a Platinum or a E200.
I've noticed the platinums seem to be becoming more common on the 94 as well recently?
That's 5 now in the past week and a half since Tuesday 17/07, 6797 (17/07), 6819 (18/07), 6821 (20/07), 6808 (25/07) and another today (26/07)?
Quote from: 2206 on July 26, 2018, 05:22:58 PM
I've noticed the platinums seem to be becoming more common on the 94 as well recently?
That's 5 now in the past week and a half since Tuesday 17/07, 6797 (17/07), 6819 (18/07), 6821 (20/07), 6808 (25/07) and another today (26/07)?
Today's is 6818
3 4s in a row yesterday in Carrs Lane, then 3 4As.
Quote from: 2206 on July 26, 2018, 05:22:58 PM
4645 and 4648 on the X12 are certainly not unusual you will find one on there everyday.
7031 on the 67 is not unusual. The Omnilinks are regularly on the Lichfield Road services, only thing that'd be unusual on there is a Platinum or a E200.
I've noticed the platinums seem to be becoming more common on the 94 as well recently?
That's 5 now in the past week and a half since Tuesday 17/07, 6797 (17/07), 6819 (18/07), 6821 (20/07), 6808 (25/07) and another today (26/07)?
They are a platinum service on sundays as if you look out your window for a 94 it's gonna be a platinum
Quote from: Hammad on July 28, 2018, 02:10:29 PM
They are a platinum service on sundays as if you look out your window for a 94 it's gonna be a platinum
Not anymore.
It used to use the spare platinums on Sundays until Easter 2018 and be completly/mostly E400 MMC operated it certainly doesn't use them anymore.
The 94 is Gemini operated on Sunday now and has been since Easter, the same as throughout the rest of the week when it is mostly Gemini operated.
(The Sunday running boards also show they are booked a B7TL DD Gemini).
Quote from: 2206 on July 28, 2018, 02:25:17 PM
Not anymore.
It used to use the spare platinums on Sundays until Easter 2018 and be completly/mostly E400 MMC operated it certainly doesn't use them anymore.
The 94 is Gemini operated on Sunday now and has been since Easter, the same as throughout the rest of the week when it is mostly Gemini operated.
(The Sunday running boards also show they are booked a B7TL DD Gemini).
Does the 94 still have E400's used on it? I've not seen one in months,
Quote from: Jack on July 28, 2018, 11:42:31 PM
Does the 94 still have E400's used on it? I've not seen one in months,
Yes.
There tends to be one on there every few days.
Are the 5 & 73 interworking now? Or is that just a figment of my imagination. Could've sworn I saw 4281 change from a 5 to 73 on Station Road
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 30, 2018, 01:27:33 PM
Are the 5 & 73 interworking now? Or is that just a figment of my imagination. Could've sworn I saw 4281 change from a 5 to 73 on Station Road
Yes, the 5 and 73 interwork.
4304 looks a mess. It's on the 11C right now. The front looks battered. The paintshop looks faded, especially the front n/s bumper panel. Upon acceleration, it's blowing a dark cloud of smoke.
These ALX400s look terrible. The general condition of the Presidents always looked much better, inside and out.
I think it's about time the 11 got a proper upgrade, into Crimson vehicles. It really needs attention. Crimson Gemini's or even something newer!
@OH25 I'd say it's common seeing Gemini's on the 4/A. There was a bucket load on it yesterday.
They also seem to interwork in the city centre.
Quote from: Jack on August 03, 2018, 05:17:47 PM
@OH25 I'd say it's common seeing Gemini's on the 4/A. There was a bucket load on it yesterday.
They also seem to interwork in the city centre.
And on the opposite side, E200MMC are common on the 5/73. Is it 9 or 10 ALX400s fitted with the traps? There's always going to be a few E200MMC on these routes then.
Quote from: MW on August 03, 2018, 05:31:48 PM
And on the opposite side, E200MMC are common on the 5/73. Is it 9 or 10 ALX400s fitted with the traps? There's always going to be a few E200MMC on these routes then.
There are 16 ALX with traps 4276-91
Quote from: Jack on August 03, 2018, 05:17:47 PM
@OH25 I'd say it's common seeing Gemini's on the 4/A. There was a bucket load on it yesterday.
They also seem to interwork in the city centre.
The allocation for the 37 was always a mix of E200s and Geminis, nothing really changed when the 37 became the 4/4A.
Quote from: Tony on August 03, 2018, 05:42:12 PM
There are 16 ALX with traps 4276-91
Are they all in service at AG? Last week, I think Saturday, I saw about 3 E200s on the 5. I've not paid attention since, but the time in between the changes and last weekend, I've definitely seen a lot of E200s, branded ones too, on the 5.
Quote from: MW on August 03, 2018, 05:51:45 PM
Are they all in service at AG? Last week, I think Saturday, I saw about 3 E200s on the 5. I've not paid attention since, but the time in between the changes and last weekend, I've definitely seen a lot of E200s, branded ones too, on the 5.
4280; 4290; 4291 are the three still missing
Quote from: Stu on August 03, 2018, 05:49:48 PM
The allocation for the 37 was always a mix of E200s and Geminis, nothing really changed when the 37 became the 4/4A.
Well people are putting it in the NW thread, not me...
And I know the 37 was a mix of E200's and Gemini's thanks! Well the spreedsheet has only just been updated, yet shows nothing about the 5 now being ALX400 B7TL's and E200's.
Quote from: MW on August 03, 2018, 05:51:45 PM
Are they all in service at AG? Last week, I think Saturday, I saw about 3 E200s on the 5. I've not paid attention since, but the time in between the changes and last weekend, I've definitely seen a lot of E200s, branded ones too, on the 5.
I'm still seeing non-compliant ALX400's on the 72, there was two yesterday and some on it Monday, and saw some last week.
Quote from: Jack on August 03, 2018, 06:04:19 PM
Well people are putting it in the NW thread, not me...
And I know the 37 was a mix of E200's and Gemini's thanks! Well the spreedsheet has only just been updated, yet shows nothing about the 5 now being ALX400 B7TL's and E200's.
I know, I was actually confirming what you had posted!
As for updating the spreadsheet, yes, I have observed for myself recently that the 5 seems to be a mix of E200s and ALX400s since the changes, which confirms what others have posted, however as I have a full-time job and not enough spare time lately, I do not have the luxury of being able to just go out and sit and spot buses all day!
Which is why I have asked for help from NX drivers to confirm and verify allocations, and I have also asked for volunteers to assist in maintaining the spreadsheet. I can't do this all by myself, I do have other things to do!
Quote from: Tony on August 03, 2018, 06:04:12 PM
4280; 4290; 4291 are the three still missing
4290 is currently sat on WB's back car park.
While I was out and about exploring my new neighbourhood this afternoon, I found myself by Yardley Wood rail station on Highfield Road, and decided to catch a 5 towards Solihull (as I'd just missed a 76), as the NX Bus app was showing one due, and the bus stop flag and printed timetable showed that the 5 stopped there (it also showed Timetable valid from 22 July 2018).
After the bus didn't arrive, and I checked the app again which showed the next one was in 28 mins, I decided to cross the road and catch a 5 in the opposite direction towards Birmingham, which was due in 7 mins. Again, the bus stop flag had 5 printed on it, and showed a timetable valid from 22nd July 2018.
Once again, the app changed from 'Due' to 32mins, so I gave up and got the 76 to Kings Heath instead.
It wasn't until I got home and then later checked the 5 route and timetable on the NX Bus website, that I saw it doesn't even serve Yardley Wood rail station.
I know I normally do my research before travelling to unfamiliar areas, but even so, to arrive at a bus stop and see a route number printed on the flag, as well as that route being shown on the printed timetable, and as well as NX Buses own app showing real-time information for that stop, its pretty poor that this has been allowed to happen.
Quote from: Stu on August 05, 2018, 07:40:04 PM
While I was out and about exploring my new neighbourhood this afternoon, I found myself by Yardley Wood rail station on Highfield Road, and decided to catch a 5 towards Solihull (as I'd just missed a 76), as the NX Bus app was showing one due, and the bus stop flag and printed timetable showed that the 5 stopped there (it also showed Timetable valid from 22 July 2018).
After the bus didn't arrive, and I checked the app again which showed the next one was in 28 mins, I decided to cross the road and catch a 5 in the opposite direction towards Birmingham, which was due in 7 mins. Again, the bus stop flag had 5 printed on it, and showed a timetable valid from 22nd July 2018.
Once again, the app changed from 'Due' to 32mins, so I gave up and got the 76 to Kings Heath instead.
It wasn't until I got home and then later checked the 5 route and timetable on the NX Bus website, that I saw it doesn't even serve Yardley Wood rail station.
I know I normally do my research before travelling to unfamiliar areas, but even so, to arrive at a bus stop and see a route number printed on the flag, as well as that route being shown on the printed timetable, and as well as NX Buses own app showing real-time information for that stop, its pretty poor that this has been allowed to happen.
That is shocking To be honest, isn't it both tfwm and nx fault?
I've travelled on the 5 along Robin Hood Lane three times since 22 July, and city-bound bus stops still show 'NOT IN USE'. I completed Network West Midlands 'Report a problem' page on Friday about it, so I hope it will be resolved very soon.
Quote from: Stu on August 05, 2018, 07:40:04 PM
While I was out and about exploring my new neighbourhood this afternoon, I found myself by Yardley Wood rail station on Highfield Road, and decided to catch a 5 towards Solihull (as I'd just missed a 76), as the NX Bus app was showing one due, and the bus stop flag and printed timetable showed that the 5 stopped there (it also showed Timetable valid from 22 July 2018).
After the bus didn't arrive, and I checked the app again which showed the next one was in 28 mins, I decided to cross the road and catch a 5 in the opposite direction towards Birmingham, which was due in 7 mins. Again, the bus stop flag had 5 printed on it, and showed a timetable valid from 22nd July 2018.
Once again, the app changed from 'Due' to 32mins, so I gave up and got the 76 to Kings Heath instead.
It wasn't until I got home and then later checked the 5 route and timetable on the NX Bus website, that I saw it doesn't even serve Yardley Wood rail station.
I know I normally do my research before travelling to unfamiliar areas, but even so, to arrive at a bus stop and see a route number printed on the flag, as well as that route being shown on the printed timetable, and as well as NX Buses own app showing real-time information for that stop, its pretty poor that this has been allowed to happen.
So this section has been messed up twice now this year ::) I posted a few weeks before the review on here somewhere and mentioned that the first route change (to serve Yardley Wood station) was made "on the quiet" with the NX and NWM websites both showing different routings, no mention of the route change on any poster or website and there were flags left unchanged even then! There was no real mention of this recent route change on the NX South Birmingham review page either other than "Robin Hood Lane will be served again"... Even though it would have been served anyway as the 5 has always stopped outside the Tesco express and at the Etwall Road stop.
Since the changes have come in though there has clearly been no effort on tfwm's part to correct these stops properly, it took them a week just to get all the old (2,3,)5 stops on Bradford St changed as they only bothered doing half at first! They are still fixing bugs with the Network WM app too, the 27s were early last week showing duplicate journeys both to Hawkesley and Harborne and I don't know how but it was the Hawkesley ones with live times while Harbornes were timetabled although this has surprisingly been fixed since! Best of luck to Dudley's bus users while these clowns are in charge of stops!
Currently sat on 4671 and their seems to be little space between the decker and a Wilko lorry. The driver alongside some helpful people is having to reverse so the lorry can go past.
Quite remarkable on the bus driver's part.
Quote from: Justin Tyme on August 05, 2018, 08:58:40 PM
I've travelled on the 5 along Robin Hood Lane three times since 22 July, and city-bound bus stops still show 'NOT IN USE'. I completed Network West Midlands 'Report a problem' page on Friday about it, so I hope it will be resolved very soon.
I reported this issue to Network West Midlands, and have just received the below response:
Re: Yardley Wood rail station - service 5
Thank you for contacting Transport for West Midlands, part of the West Midlands Combined Authority, regarding bus service 5.
Although we produce all timetables, accuracy of data is the responsibility of the operator. TfWM have not been informed of any service changes to the 5 and as far as we are aware, it should still be servicing Yardley Wood Station. I have therefore passed your comments to NXWM asking them to investigate your concerns and reply to you directly.I expect you will get a similar response to your query.
Quote from: Stu on August 08, 2018, 12:47:07 PM
I reported this issue to Network West Midlands, and have just received the below response:
Re: Yardley Wood rail station - service 5
Thank you for contacting Transport for West Midlands, part of the West Midlands Combined Authority, regarding bus service 5.
Although we produce all timetables, accuracy of data is the responsibility of the operator. TfWM have not been informed of any service changes to the 5 and as far as we are aware, it should still be servicing Yardley Wood Station. I have therefore passed your comments to NXWM asking them to investigate your concerns and reply to you directly.
I expect you will get a similar response to your query.
This sounds like a borderline libelous accusation to me, accusing NXWM of running the 5 to an unregistered route? You really couldn't make this up!
Quote from: V89MOA on August 08, 2018, 03:37:08 PM
This sounds like a borderline libelous accusation to me, accusing NXWM of running the 5 to an unregistered route? You really couldn't make this up!
Don't be so ridiculous. It's obvious to me that someone has simply made a cock-up, I didn't read any 'libellous accusation' in that email reply. While other changes to the 5 have been notified to TfWM, someone has 'overlooked' the route change from Highfield Road back to Robin Hood Lane.
Its a classic case of "garbage in, garbage out" - you're very quick to blame TfWM for this but they can only work with information given to them by the bus operators, if NX Bus have given them incorrect information then of course the flags and timetables will be wrong for those stops.
I'm sure this will all be corrected soon, I just wonder apart from myself and Justin Tyme how many people have reported this?
I was under the impression that the Yardley Wood bit was a temporary diversion anyway?
Network Rail put a height restriction on bridge in Robin Hood Lane which was below double deck height despite bus going under bridge for 50 plus years. Following discussion a new height restriction sign was put on. Diversion via Yardley Wood station was when height restriction was on. Did say in South Birmingham review the 5 would go back to Robin Hood Lane
Quote from: x68 on August 08, 2018, 07:47:18 PM
Network Rail put a height restriction on bridge in Robin Hood Lane which was below double deck height despite bus going under bridge for 50 plus years. Following discussion a new height restriction sign was put on. Diversion via Yardley Wood station was when height restriction was on. Did say in South Birmingham review the 5 would go back to Robin Hood Lane
That isn't the story. The bridge has always had the same height restriction, and while the signs were triangular, they are only advisory, so as long as you knew buses fitted underneath you were safe to use that route.
The signs on the bridge were then changed to circular ones, with the same height meaning they were compulsary and excluded Geminis from passing underneath so the diversion was put in place. The solution has been found in using the trap fitted B7/ALX as they are officially 3 inches smaller than a Gemini so allowed to pass under the new signs. The only other double decks allowed are E400MMCs so there is no problem with a platinum or a Yardley Wood 61xxusing the route
Quote from: Tony on August 08, 2018, 08:09:30 PM
That isn't the story. The bridge has always had the same height restriction, and while the signs were triangular, they are only advisory, so as long as you knew buses fitted underneath you were safe to use that route.
The signs on the bridge were then changed to circular ones, with the same height meaning they were compulsary and excluded Geminis from passing underneath so the diversion was put in place. The solution has been found in using the trap fitted B7/ALX as they are officially 3 inches smaller than a Gemini so allowed to pass under the new signs. The only other double decks allowed are E400MMCs so there is no problem with a platinum or a Yardley Wood 61xxusing the route
Isn't the height limit 14ft3? I'm sure the Gemini's are 14ft3.
Highgate bridge is or was labelled as 14ft3 too and the Gemini's were allowed under, just not the Presidents from memory.
Quote from: MW on August 08, 2018, 08:18:04 PM
Isn't the height limit 14ft3? I'm sure the Gemini's are 14ft3.
Highgate bridge is or was labelled as 14ft3 too and the Gemini's were allowed under, just not the Presidents from memory.
Geminis are 14ft 5in
B7TL ALX400s are 14ft 2in if I remember right
Quote from: John on August 08, 2018, 08:24:33 PM
Geminis are 14ft 5in
B7TL ALX400s are 14ft 2in if I remember right
I'm sure that the Gemini's were "remeasured" and the older ones were 14ft3 and the 47xx batch were 14ft5.
Edit: I remember Tony saying that's why the 47xx batch wouldn't ever go to AG, because of the bridge on the 5 route.
Quote from: Stu on August 08, 2018, 07:11:57 PM
Don't be so ridiculous. It's obvious to me that someone has simply made a cock-up, I didn't read any 'libellous accusation' in that email reply. While other changes to the 5 have been notified to TfWM, someone has 'overlooked' the route change from Highfield Road back to Robin Hood Lane.
Its a classic case of "garbage in, garbage out" - you're very quick to blame TfWM for this but they can only work with information given to them by the bus operators, if NX Bus have given them incorrect information then of course the flags and timetables will be wrong for those stops.
I'm sure this will all be corrected soon, I just wonder apart from myself and Justin Tyme how many people have reported this?
"TfWM have not been informed of any service changes to the 5 and as far as we are aware, it should still be servicing Yardley Wood Station."
So they are not implying there that the 5 isn't running to the route it is supposed to be?
If a news organization or social media poster was to make that sort of claim to the public then there would be grounds for legal action...
it is apparent that NXWM have put time and thought into this change as arrangements were made for the ALX400s to be moved over for it well in advance, certainly not a last minute thing!
Tfwm will have had prior knowledge of
all of the south brum changes weeks before they were announced as it is required, how else would they know which tendered routes may or may not need changing to compensate for the changes? I'll bet NXWM have been billed for the mentioned stops to be changed too!
Quote from: John on August 08, 2018, 08:24:33 PM
Geminis are 14ft 5in
B7TL ALX400s are 14ft 2in if I remember right
While Geminis are in reality 14'3" their specification is 14'5" hence the problem if one ever did catch the bridge.
Quote from: Stu on August 08, 2018, 12:47:07 PM
I reported this issue to Network West Midlands, and have just received the below response:
Re: Yardley Wood rail station - service 5
Thank you for contacting Transport for West Midlands, part of the West Midlands Combined Authority, regarding bus service 5.
Although we produce all timetables, accuracy of data is the responsibility of the operator. TfWM have not been informed of any service changes to the 5 and as far as we are aware, it should still be servicing Yardley Wood Station. I have therefore passed your comments to NXWM asking them to investigate your concerns and reply to you directly.
I expect you will get a similar response to your query.
Thanks Stu - I'm sure you're right!
Quote from: V89MOA on August 08, 2018, 08:33:53 PM
I'll bet NXWM have been billed for the mentioned stops to be changed too!
Did the 5 today, those few stops on Robin Hood Lane has bus stops saying "not in use"
Quote from: Kevin on August 08, 2018, 09:53:08 PM
Did the 5 today, those few stops on Robin Hood Lane has bus stops saying "not in use"
Thing is the locals, and any potential visitors, won't be checking the NX site for updates as they've had no service for a month either so most won't even know the 5 is back without word of mouth, Stu wasn't aware and he is a regular user of this very forum! NX need to push tfwm on this so it's sorted long before the holidays are over, but hey as long as the tram users are happy tfwm don't care about the locals!
They ought to get it sorted this week really, two and a half weeks is taking the biscuit, as is fobbing the issue (and ultimately the blame) off onto NXWM!
When will the "new" buses on the 5 and 1 be replaced? The fumes that come out of them are atrocious.
Quote from: Oozells on August 09, 2018, 05:39:17 PM
When will the "new" buses on the 5 and 1 be replaced? The fumes that come out of them are atrocious.
Really? The buses on the 5 meet Euro 6 regulations and are some of the cleanest vehicles in the country
Quote from: Oozells on August 09, 2018, 05:39:17 PM
When will the "new" buses on the 5 and 1 be replaced? The fumes that come out of them are atrocious.
Quite clearly typing crap / euro 6 not clean enough, crickey what next the trams are to noisey
He might be generalising with the non trap fitted ones. 4304 is blowing black smoke from its exhaust when accelerating from stops and you can smell it too.
Quote from: Tony on August 09, 2018, 05:47:38 PM
Really? The buses on the 5 meet Euro 6 regulations and are some of the cleanest vehicles in the country
If they're that clean, go and put your face in front of the exhaust of 4304. And the bus itself is filthy (but it can't be from the engine!) and looks like it's not been given any TLC this decade.
Edit: Someone else literally posted about the same bus at the same time! And I see more than just this bus blowing black smoke.
Also, you didn't answer my question. They can't be keeping almost 17 year old buses much longer, especially with the Birmingham CAZ.
Quote from: 2900 on August 09, 2018, 06:38:49 PM
Quite clearly typing crap / euro 6 not clean enough, crickey what next the trams are to noisey
Just because you love buses so much doesn't mean that they're all perfect 10s - Have a bit of objectivity. Think about how the normal person on the street feels when their lovely crimson bus gets replaced with a dirty, older bus that has seats which haven't been changed in years and chipped paint.
Quote from: Oozells on August 09, 2018, 08:54:55 PM
Just because you love buses so much doesn't mean that they're all perfect 10s - Have a bit of objectivity. Think about how the normal person on the street feels when their lovely crimson bus gets replaced with a dirty, older bus that has seats which haven't been changed in years and chipped paint.
Where's this 'dirtier' keep coming from?
Well the photo I have of the bus shows that it is dirty.
And you still don't answer any questions - Just blind love. I've worked there too, it's not all rosy.
Quote from: Oozells on August 09, 2018, 08:54:55 PM
Just because you love buses so much doesn't mean that they're all perfect 10s - Have a bit of objectivity. Think about how the normal person on the street feels when their lovely crimson bus gets replaced with a dirty, older bus that has seats which haven't been changed in years and chipped paint.
They'd get mildly annoyed and then go about their lives.
The truth is that an average passenger cares about frequency, routing, etc of buses more than quality of buses as long as said buses is of acceptable quality.
AG are still using some euro3 Volvo/Alexanders on the 72. Are they being given time to sort this out. All the 5/73's are euro6.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on August 10, 2018, 07:35:01 PM
AG are still using some euro3 Volvo/Alexanders on the 72. Are they being given time to sort this out. All the 5/73's are euro6.
Same story on the 49 and 76, I'm wondering if the LEZ has been quietly put back a few weeks seeing as nothing seems to be happening from Sunny Travel/Discount/therestofthem either?
The 5 will always be more important to keep compliant than the 72 though as it has the Birmingham zone at the other end of the route.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on August 10, 2018, 07:35:01 PM
AG are still using some euro3 Volvo/Alexanders on the 72. Are they being given time to sort this out. All the 5/73's are euro6.
I was going to say the 72 is constantly getting Euro 3 ALX400's.
Is Solihull Euro 4 now or Euro 5?
Quote from: Jack on August 12, 2018, 11:48:49 AM
I was going to say the 72 is constantly getting Euro 3 ALX400's.
Is Solihull Euro 4 now or Euro 5?
It's Euro 4.
The 72 was probably all euro6 for the first time today. I saw most, if not all of them. YW had 4181 on the 49. Sunny were using their usual buses.
At least 4 Gemini on the X12 today.A trip to town produced 4645/50/51/52 with platinums 6702/04/06/07.
Quote from: Stu on August 08, 2018, 12:47:07 PM
I reported this issue to Network West Midlands, and have just received the below response:
Re: Yardley Wood rail station - service 5
Thank you for contacting Transport for West Midlands, part of the West Midlands Combined Authority, regarding bus service 5.
Although we produce all timetables, accuracy of data is the responsibility of the operator. TfWM have not been informed of any service changes to the 5 and as far as we are aware, it should still be servicing Yardley Wood Station. I have therefore passed your comments to NXWM asking them to investigate your concerns and reply to you directly.
I expect you will get a similar response to your query.
I was on the 76 again today and I was pleased to see the stop flags have now been changed along Highfield Road and no longer show the 5.
Never heard any more back from either TfWM or NX Bus regarding this...
Quote from: Stu on August 25, 2018, 05:58:49 PM
I was on the 76 again today and I was pleased to see the stop flags have now been changed along Highfield Road and no longer show the 5.
Never heard any more back from either TfWM or NX Bus regarding this...
And I noticed this week that the Robin Hood Lane stops now show the 5. I didn't hear from TfWM either!
It was my understanding that 733/4 were to work the JLR shuttles in Gaydon? Or did I just imagine that?
Saw one of the two working the JLR Solihull shuttles this evening. Wasted opportunity for a photograph, as I was on a citybound X12 at the time of sighting - having just passed the stop on Old Damson Lane.
What are the chances of finding them on the JLR Solihull shuttles again? Also, last question, is the timetable (dated 2015) still accurate? I've linked it below for reference to those in the know.
http://www.jlrtravel.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Main-Shuttle-Timetable-wef301115.pdf
Quote from: CL on August 30, 2018, 10:23:10 PM
It was my understanding that 733/4 were to work the JLR shuttles in Gaydon? Or did I just imagine that?
Saw one of the two working the JLR Solihull shuttles this evening. Wasted opportunity for a photograph, as I was on a citybound X12 at the time of sighting - having just passed the stop on Old Damson Lane.
What are the chances of finding them on the JLR Solihull shuttles again? Also, last question, is the timetable (dated 2015) still accurate? I've linked it below for reference to those in the know.
http://www.jlrtravel.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Main-Shuttle-Timetable-wef301115.pdf
733/4 are to work internal shuttles at JLR Gaydon yes, i'm sure Tony did say it was previously operated by a minibus when with Silverline.
Pretty unlikely you'll see 733/4 on there i'd imagine, they were up until recently operated by E200 MMC ever time i've seen them, though AG now have 831 - 836 and it was said these are for the JLR Solihull - Airport service and the 31 with 2230 - 2233 going back to YW.
There is a timetable on the NX Website that was put up only a month or 2 ago -
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/misc/JLRSolihullTimetablesV1.4.pdf
Quote from: 2206 on August 30, 2018, 10:26:30 PM
733/4 are to work internal shuttles at JLR Gaydon yes, i'm sure Tony did say it was previously operated by a minibus when with Silverline.
Pretty unlikely you'll see 733/4 on there i'd imagine, they were up until recently operated by E200 MMC ever time i've seen them, though AG now have 831 - 836 and it was said these are for the JLR Solihull - Airport service and the 31 with 2230 - 2233 going back to YW.
There is a timetable on the NX Website that was put up only a month or 2 ago -
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/misc/JLRSolihullTimetablesV1.4.pdf
Ah, many thanks.
@2206
733 & 734 do turn up on the JLR services at the NEC occasionally.
Quote from: Tony on August 31, 2018, 08:12:13 AM
733 & 734 do turn up on the JLR services at the NEC occasionally.
So I see! :) Thanks for the clarification; don't suppose you know if either would be on there today?
@Tony
4231 was on the 72 today, otherwise all the other 72's were Geminis. I saw most, if not all the 73's and they were all from the 4276-4291 batch.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on September 03, 2018, 09:15:42 PM
4231 was on the 72 today, otherwise all the other 72's were Geminis. I saw most, if not all the 73's and they were all from the 4276-4291 batch.
Yes, every 5 & 31 was a correct bus. The problem AG have at the moment is 4660-79 are having Euro 6 conversions for Solihull but the outer circle branding hasn't been taken off yet
Quote from: Tony on September 03, 2018, 09:32:55 PM
Yes, every 5 & 31 was a correct bus. The problem AG have at the moment is 4660-79 are having Euro 6 conversions for Solihull bubthe outer circle branding hasn't been taken off yet
So that leaves 4508-4517, 4519-4523 left blaring their fans. That's a real shame.
@MW, looks like it's just these ones left :(
Quote from: Jack on September 08, 2018, 05:56:22 PM
2210 (4/4A) - 5/73
To be quite honest, it happens that often, in my opinion its not even worth mentioning this.
They never stick to the 4/4A anyway.
There are loads on the 5/73 and 58 every single day, you could bombard the forum with long lists of 4/4A branded vehicles on the 5/73 and 58 every single day.
You get a 1 or 2 on the 72 as well somedays.
It was the same with the 71/72 branded E200 MMC everyday at AG - there used to be loads on the 37 and also peak time 1's every single day.
Quote from: 2206 on September 08, 2018, 07:43:34 PM
To be quite honest, in my opinion its not even worth mentioning this.
They never stick to the 4/4A anyway.
There are loads on the 5/73 and 58 every single day, you could bombard the forum with long lists of 4/4A branded vehicles on the 5/73 every single day.
You get a 1 or 2 on the 72 as well somedays.
It was the same with the 71/72 branded E200 MMC everyday at AG - there used to be loads on the 37 and also peak time 1's every single day.
Never you knew you're part of the admin team?
I just post it as they are off the routes they are meant to be on.
I don't really think it's as bad as the 71/72 brandeds going off onto the this route. There is less route branded E200MMC's at AG then there use to be, so it can't happen as often.
Also I don't see them everyday, but I rarely see them on the 5, 58 and 73, the 72 has them more from what I see.
Quote from: Jack on September 08, 2018, 08:34:21 PM
Never you knew you're part of the admin team?
I just post it as they are off the routes they are meant to be on.
I don't really think it's as bad as the 71/72 brandeds going off onto the this route. There is less route branded E200MMC's at AG then there use to be, so it can't happen as often.
Also I don't see them everyday, but I rarely see them on the 5, 58 and 73, the 72 has them more from what I see.
I know i'm not part of the admin team, I was just saying how often it happens.
It can. There may be less of them at AG, but it certainly does happen just as often.
I've been travelling into Solihull everyday for the past 2 weeks and there are certainly always about 2 on the 58 most days with a couple on the 5/73.
Quote from: 2206 on September 08, 2018, 08:37:10 PM
I know i'm not part of the admin team, I was just saying how often it happens.
It can. There may be less of them at AG, but it certainly does happen just as often.
I've been travelling into Solihull everyday for the past 2 weeks and there are certainly always about 2 on the 58 most days with a couple on the 5/73.
That's not correct, This week AG have been able to be a lot better and for instance on Monday the 5/73 was 100% 4276-91, The 58 was 2227-9 and all the branded ones were on the 4
Quote from: Tony on September 08, 2018, 08:47:29 PM
That's not correct, This week AG have been able to be a lot better and for instance on Monday the 5/73 was 100% 4276-91, The 58 was 2227-9 and all the branded ones were on the 4
There've certainly had some of route at points this week (i'm sure i've seen a few on the 5/73 and 58 over the last week and had at least one or two turn up while i've been waiting for the 58), though i've not really paid much attention to them and how often they were happening/how many were of route, so I never noticed that they were better than previously, this week.
Quote from: Jack on September 03, 2018, 09:37:05 PM
So that leaves 4508-4517, 4519-4523 left blaring their fans. That's a real shame. @MW, looks like it's just these ones left :(
Has 4518 had e-fans installed? It's uncharacteristically quiet every time I see it
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 08, 2018, 08:54:30 PM
Has 4518 had e-fans installed? It's uncharacteristically quiet every time I see it
No, it was fixed a while back. No trap or anything.
Quote from: Jordan on September 10, 2018, 11:48:41 AM
835 on 73
@Jordan the older E200s that have transferred to AG will be a regular sight now on the 5 and 73, as well as the 31
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=4016.msg243696#msg243696
Okay then thanks
I'm not sure what thread to put this in but is there any news on 4520 is becoming a training bus or not
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on September 15, 2018, 11:51:43 PM
I'm not sure what thread to put this in but is there any news on 4520 is becoming a training bus or not
Tony's list shows it in paint so it should appear as a trainer eventually.
Quote from: filbus1 on September 16, 2018, 07:31:44 AM
Tony's list shows it in paint so it should appear as a trainer eventually.
Thanks for that
Quote from: filbus1 on September 16, 2018, 07:31:44 AM
Tony's list shows it in paint so it should appear as a trainer eventually.
Lol that list has shown it in paint for a year or so!
Quote from: MW on September 16, 2018, 08:42:33 PM
Lol that list has shown it in paint for a year or so!
I see it's sitting in Miller Street when I passed yesterday and looking a bit abandoned with tyres stacked against it and panels missing off the back so maybe there's a problem. Does the list need updating?
Quote from: filbus1 on September 17, 2018, 07:23:25 AM
I see it's sitting in Miller Street when I passed yesterday and looking a bit abandoned with tyres stacked against it and panels missing off the back so maybe there's a problem. Does the list need updating?
No. It is still with 'Service Support' which includes the paint unit waiting for a chance to be finished mecahnically before going back to Walsall for the actual paint.
Quote from: Tony on September 17, 2018, 08:10:40 AM
No. It is still with 'Service Support' which includes the paint unit waiting for a chance to be finished mecahnically before going back to Walsall for the actual paint.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Quote from: Stu on September 10, 2018, 07:06:45 PM
@Jordan the older E200s that have transferred to AG will be a regular sight now on the 5 and 73, as well as the 31
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=4016.msg243696#msg243696
Quote from: V89MOA on September 17, 2018, 10:06:04 AM
832 is on the 5 & 73.
(If I've worked it out correctly, 9:55 off Brum)
See
@Stu's post above Tony did say these will be used on the 5 and 73.
And to be honest i've seen quite a few on there now.
It was on Old Lode Lane heading into Solihull st 08:40 this morning.
Though 832 and 6843 were leaving a few passengers behind on Old Lode Lane and Hobs Moat Road earlier today at 08:40 this morning with both buses full to capacity and driving straight past some of the stops. 832 seemed to be full to capacity (reduced capacity compared to a MMC) and 6843 was also full to capacity (the X2's are usually already full with passengers from Birmingham, Yardley and Sheldon at that time in the morning by the time they get to the Wheatsheaf going into Solihull.
Quote from: 2206 on September 17, 2018, 04:14:01 PM
See @Stu's post above Tony did say these will be used on the 5 and 73.
And to be honest i've seen quite a few on there now.
It was on Old Lode Lane heading into Solihull st 08:40 this morning.
Though 832 and 6843 were leaving a few passengers behind on Old Lode Lane and Hobs Moat Road earlier today at 08:40 this morning with both buses full to capacity and driving straight past some of the stops. 832 seemed to be full to capacity (reduced capacity compared to a MMC) and 6843 was also full to capacity (the X2's are usually already full with passengers from Birmingham, Yardley and Sheldon at that time in the morning by the time they get to the Wheatsheaf going into Solihull.
Be that as it may, For people who are trying to tick these off in public service at AG they are hard to find, especially on a long winded circuit like that so a helpful post on here with times is hurting nobody. It is still more noteworthy than the platinum X21s and off route 4s that get posted daily...
Quote from: Eric Shaw on September 19, 2018, 08:24:03 PM
2201 and 2206 on the 73.
4225 and 4242 on the 72.
It's not unusual to see an enviro 200MMC on the 73 as
@Stu and other members have statet
Quote from: Eric Shaw on September 19, 2018, 08:24:03 PM
2201 and 2206 on the 73.
4225 and 4242 on the 72.
None of them are unusual in the slightest actually.
They're regular workings actually. E200 MMC are on the 73 and B7TL ALX400 are on the 72 most days.
@Eric Shaw @I love Walsall busesThe ALX400 will be common until 4660 - 79 are debranded from the 11, i'd Imagine? (Tony did say they're due to be debranded at some point so they can be used in Solihull).
Quote from: Eric Shaw on September 20, 2018, 07:41:49 PM
835, 2207 and 2221 on the 73 today.
@Eric Shaw as has already been pointed out, Enviro200s are not unusual on the 73, they are the usual allocation alongside the B7TL ALX400s. This route interworks with the 5 (Birmingham to Solihull).
As they pass many colleges and schools a double decker is needed during school terms and AG now have 16 Volvo/Alexander Euro6's.
Quote from: Stu on September 20, 2018, 07:45:23 PM
@Eric Shaw as has already been pointed out, Enviro200s are not unusual on the 73, they are the usual allocation alongside the B7TL ALX400s. This route interworks with the 5 (Birmingham to Solihull).
The MMC are a daily occurence.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on September 20, 2018, 07:51:02 PM
As they pass many colleges and schools a double decker is needed during school terms and AG now have 16 Volvo/Alexander Euro6's.
Do the full size MMC not cope, i've personally not seen any overcrowding when i've seen them on there?
2206 was also on there in the evening peak and seemed to be coping fine when I saw it.
Quote from: 2206 on September 20, 2018, 07:53:37 PM
The MMC are a daily occurence.
When I said Enviro200, I was of course referring to both types now at AG.
Is 6708 on loan to BC as its on the BC61
Is the whole idea around the 1A patronage to and from the QE? Or are there other uses? If so, from what I've seen of it I can't see it lasting much longer. Everytime I see it there's a near enough empty Gemini going in or out of it.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 27, 2018, 04:43:03 PM
Is the whole idea around the 1A patronage to and from the QE? Or are there other uses? If so, from what I've seen of it I can't see it lasting much longer. Everytime I see it there's a near enough empty Gemini going in or out of it.
How many buses do you actually see? A very small percentage, you can not tell how well a route is doing from seeing a couple of buses a week
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 27, 2018, 04:43:03 PM
Is the whole idea around the 1A patronage to and from the QE? Or are there other uses? If so, from what I've seen of it I can't see it lasting much longer. Everytime I see it there's a near enough empty Gemini going in or out of it.
When I've been driving the 144 along Bristol Road I've seen a fair few 1As and they always have people on (and that's throughout the day) One peak time journey I saw must have had 25-30 passengers on too so I'm sure the route is doing ok.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 27, 2018, 04:43:03 PM
Is the whole idea around the 1A patronage to and from the QE? Or are there other uses? If so, from what I've seen of it I can't see it lasting much longer. Everytime I see it there's a near enough empty Gemini going in or out of it.
Already proving popular with students between University and Moseley
Quote from: 2206 on September 19, 2018, 08:52:53 PM
(Tony did say they're due to be debranded at some point so they can be used in Solihull).
4662 and 4677 are among the first to be done, and ironically both are on the 11C.
Quote from: V89MOA on September 28, 2018, 03:43:34 PM
4662 and 4677 are among the first to be done, and ironically both are on the 11C.
4663 is also done and also on the 11C.
At Ward End at 17:00 on an 11E to Acocks Green.
4292, 4297 and 4301 on the 72 today. The usual Sunnies are still out. Are they now euro4?
Quote from: Kevin on September 28, 2018, 09:37:52 AM
Already proving popular with students between University and Moseley
wonder if they will increase the 1a is popular
Just for the record I wasn't slagging off the 1A, I hope it does well. I was just curious is all.
Quote from: V89MOA on September 28, 2018, 03:43:34 PM
4662 and 4677 are among the first to be done, and ironically both are on the 11C.
4671 was in Solihull today debranded. Possibility that it may have been 4677. Might have come off the 11 at some point and ended up in Solihull.
Do AG operate a journey on the 49? I saw 4679 with "49" on the rear
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 29, 2018, 10:43:50 AM
Do AG operate a journey on the 49? I saw 4679 with "49" on the rear
Where did you see it and did it look like it was in service?
AG buses can certainly display YW route numbers.
I've seen drivers on the 11 put up 2 and 3 on the Presidents in the past.
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 29, 2018, 10:43:50 AM
Do AG operate a journey on the 49? I saw 4679 with "49" on the rear
Yes. One round trip from Maypole to Solihull and back weekday mornings
Quote from: John on September 29, 2018, 11:03:04 AM
Yes. One round trip from Maypole to Solihull and back weekday mornings
Do you know what time this operates at please ?
Do they still operate the trip on the 76?
Quote from: 2206 on September 29, 2018, 11:02:51 AM
Where did you see it and did it look like it was in service?
AG buses can certainly display YW route numbers.
I've seen drivers on the 11 put up 2 and 3 on the Presidents in the past.
I saw it at Solihull station around 8am yesterday. If that helps
Quote from: 2206 on September 29, 2018, 11:02:51 AM
Where did you see it and did it look like it was in service?
AG buses can certainly display YW route numbers.
I've seen drivers on the 11 put up 2 and 3 on the Presidents in the past.
AG & YW have same destinations programmed in. The 900 was also programmed in when I was at NX. Not sure if the X1 is programmed in now.
Quote from: MW on September 29, 2018, 12:48:08 PM
AG & YW have same destinations programmed in. The 900 was also programmed in when I was at NX. Not sure if the X1 is programmed in now.
BC PB and BY share a database as well.
PN and WB did but don't anymore following the September 2nd changes.
How come the 11 is getting debranded?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on September 29, 2018, 02:37:03 PM
How come the 11 is getting debranded?
So that the Gemini's can be used in areas where there are emission rules I believe
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on September 29, 2018, 02:37:03 PM
How come the 11 is getting debranded?
@Tony did say that 4660 - 4679 are being debranded and trapped so they can be used in Solihull.
There have been a few Euro 3 B7TL ALX400 on the 72 on a daily basis until now.
Quote from: Tony on September 03, 2018, 09:32:55 PM
Yes, every 5 & 31 was a correct bus. The problem AG have at the moment is 4660-79 are having Euro 6 conversions for Solihull but the outer circle branding hasn't been taken off yet
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on September 29, 2018, 02:37:03 PM
How come the 11 is getting debranded?
45** will stay branded for the 11, the 46** will be debranded.
Quote from: Jack on September 29, 2018, 04:20:44 PM
45** will stay branded for the 11, the 46** will be debranded.
More guesswork.
Some kids had got the rear upper deck of a Gemini open. Is it simple to open?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 09, 2018, 09:37:59 PM
Some kids had got the rear upper deck of a Gemini open. Is it simple to open?
Well it is an EMERGENCY exit. Can't exactly be too complex can it.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 09, 2018, 09:37:59 PM
Some kids had got the rear upper deck of a Gemini open. Is it simple to open?
Yes, its simple to open and close it, you just turn the handle and it opens up, setting an alarm of on the bus.
It happens all the time.
832 on the 73. Should leave Heartlands at 1101.
15 0f the 16 euro6 Volvo/Alexanders were out on the 72, 73 and 73E today. 4276 may have been on the 11A but I wasn't near enough to be sure. Pretty good for 17 year old buses which have probably done more than half a million miles.
Earlier on today saw a 11A going down church road stechford and at about half six saw a AG germini parked at the 11C/55 bus stop outside Aldi at fox and goose displaying 1
Quote from: Hammad on October 30, 2018, 10:17:45 PM
Earlier on today saw a 11A going down church road stechford and at about half six saw a AG germini parked at the 11C/55 bus stop outside Aldi at fox and goose displaying 1
Due to some temporary lights, the 11A was diverted. Given you seen a 11A there, I'm assuming it went down there. 11C was seemingly unaffected.
734 is on the 5 and 73 today
Quote from: John on November 08, 2018, 05:42:33 PM
734 is on the 5 and 73 today
And apparently a small E200 on PN 18/19 today
Surely something has to be done to avoid using minibuses on busy routes like these at ALL COSTS, regardless of the usual excuse of "better than no bus" or "only available vehicle"
With most of the 46XX now debranded from the 11, other than a few. The 45XX are now being debranded.
4512, 4522 and one other have all been done so far. 4512 and the other one are on the 11C today. 4522 is on the 11A today.
Though why aren't they taking the internal route maps down, as they debrand them?
Edit - A 4th has been done, 4521 has now also been done and is on the 72 today.
Quote from: 2206 on November 13, 2018, 01:03:34 PM
With most of the 46XX now debranded from the 11, other than a few. The 45XX are now being debranded.
4512, 4522 and one other have all been done so far. 4512 and the other one are on the 11C today. 4522 is on the 11A today.
Though why aren't they taking the internal route maps down, as they debrand them?
Edit - A 4th has been done, 4521 has now also been done and is on the 72 today.
4509 & 4517 are also now debranded
4676 is currently on Tollhouse Lane going towards West Brom garage
Problems on the AG 1 tonight i'm told.
I'm told drivers were getting lost and carrying on down Westbourne Road/Harborne Road toward Harborne, and then stopping the bus "to find out whats going on", unaware a diversion was in place in Edgbaston towards Five Ways.
Quote from: 2206 on November 23, 2018, 06:30:18 PM
Problems on the AG 1 tonight i'm told.
I'm told drivers were getting lost and carrying on down Westbourne Road/Harborne Road toward Harborne, and then stopping the bus "to find out whats going on", unaware a diversion was in place in Edgbaston towards Five Ways.
It's only Highfield Road that's closed - just a right off Westbourne Road onto Vicarage Road takes you back up to Harborne Road to Five Ways. I'm surprised drivers who drive that route every day wouldn't know that.
Noticed the "Short Journey" bit on 4's & X12's and probably everything else has become "PART ROUTE"
Looks weird.
Quote from: MW on November 25, 2018, 08:12:02 PM
Noticed the "Short Journey" bit on 4's & X12's and probably everything else has become "PART ROUTE"
Looks weird.
I've yet to see this 'part route' display. Having said that, this particular wording sounds like it takes after a particular Scottish operator. ???
https://flic.kr/p/VKnDcY (not my photo)
Wait, haven't I seen that livery before? :P All jokes aside, the resemblance does seem a little uncanny, wouldn't anyone reckon?
Quote from: MW on November 25, 2018, 08:12:02 PM
Noticed the "Short Journey" bit on 4's & X12's and probably everything else has become "PART ROUTE"
Looks weird.
As much as people may disagree with me, I've always preferred the "E" suffix to "Short Journey", "Part Route" etc.
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 25, 2018, 08:37:23 PM
As much as people may disagree with me, I've always preferred the "E" suffix to "Short Journey", "Part Route" etc.
No one takes any notice of them however it is put on the LEDs. The amount I've had to kick people off on the afternoon X14 to Spring Lane (which is funny as we don't actually have a Spring Lane destination on the hannovers) and X4 to Sutton
I do also prefer the E suffix as it is more visible if you actually pay attention to the LEDs
4277 has had a front LED Destination Display fitted.
6140 out on the 4/4A
Quote from: CL on December 10, 2018, 08:34:14 AM
6140 out on the 4/4A
6139 on the 11C currently at the Fox & Goose
Quote from: Tony on December 10, 2018, 08:38:34 AM
6139 on the 11C currently at the Fox & Goose
seen one at the fox in the morning so it might have been 11c as it was going towards fort pretty sure seen 11A
6139 on the 11A at the Bromford atm
6140 on the X12 this morning at Chipperfield Road at 10:40
The 4 will be gaining some extra early evening 4E journeys between Solihull and Acocks Green from the 7th January 2019.
The New timetable from 07/01/19 is now on Traveline WM - e.g. it will go from there being 3 journeys ourbound from Solihull between 6PM and 7PM at present to 7 journeys.
http://www.travelinemidlands.co.uk/wmtis/XSLT_TTB_REQUEST?language=en&command=direct&net=cen&line=33004&sup=A&itdLPxx_direction=H&project=y11&outputFormat=0&itdLPxx_displayHeader=false&itdLPxx_sessionID=EFA03_59716262&lineVer=4&itdLPxx_spTr=4&itdLPxx_operatorCodeForTTB=NXB
6140 on the 11 in Harborne today... guess the migration is taking place.
Looks like a 'first' today
AG have Enviro 400MMCs out on the 5 & 73
One of them on the 0801 from Heartlands, probably 6741. Will it get under the bridge on the 5 route?
im guessing you mean 6141 lol thanx for the gen i will keep a look out
Quote from: Eric Shaw on December 19, 2018, 08:37:06 AM
One of them on the 0801 from Heartlands, probably 6741. Will it get under the bridge on the 5 route?
I don't doubt that they did check before putting one on there.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on December 19, 2018, 08:37:06 AM
One of them on the 0801 from Heartlands, probably 6741. Will it get under the bridge on the 5 route?
I think the bridge is 14' 3" if I remember correctly. NX's Enviro 400 MMC's are 14' 2", so they'd be fine getting under there like the 42**'s.
Quote from: filbus1 on December 19, 2018, 08:53:30 AM
I don't doubt that they did check before putting one on there.
I think there's 3 on there.
Yes, Enviro 400MMCs are 14'2" tall, one inch shorter than B7/ALX400s
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2018, 09:06:55 AM
I think there's 3 on there.
Yes, Enviro 400MMCs are 14'2" tall, one inch shorter than B7/ALX400s
I think you've mentioned previously that the AG Platinums would be okay for the 5, and as they have appeared on that route on a few occasions, I didn't doubt it would be a problem. ;)
Although the intention is to use the crimson E400s to upgrade the 11A/C, I suppose the 5 was taken into consideration when it came to allocating 'spare' vehicles. Good forward thinking!
Quote from: Stu on December 19, 2018, 07:34:56 PM
I think you've mentioned previously that the AG Platinums would be okay for the 5, and as they have appeared on that route on a few occasions, I didn't doubt it would be a problem. ;)
Although the intention is to use the crimson E400s to upgrade the 11A/C, I suppose the 5 was taken into consideration when it came to allocating 'spare' vehicles. Good forward thinking!
Unless the Outer Circle Pvr has reduced lately, it was always thought to be in the region of the low forties i.e if that's still the case, there won't be enough Crimson E400MMC's to fully convert the Outer Circle, let along spares for other AG routes. Only 38 were set to join AG (6110-6148)
Quote from: Winston on December 19, 2018, 11:06:47 PM
Unless the Outer Circle Pvr has reduced lately, it was always thought to be in the region of the low forties i.e if that's still the case, there won't be enough Crimson E400MMC's to fully convert the Outer Circle, let along spares for other AG routes. Only 38 were set to join AG (6110-6148)
There were never enough Gemini either - only 35, so the ALX400 always were and still are at present operating alongside them. I think it was said 6110 is staying at PN as well, with 6111 - 6148 (38) mobving to AG.
Presumably it will be mostly MMC, with some Crimson Gemini on the 11, alongside them.
Similarly to how there were never enough Gemini (4508 - 4519, 4521 - 4523 and 4660 - 4679 - a total of 35) for the 11, so it has always been operated by Gemini with B7TL ALX400 operating alongside them.
Another Crimson E400 MMC was ont the 73 and 5 today.
I saw it heading out of Solihull an a 73 to Heartlands Hospital at about 08:45 this morning.
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6141.html
Why has the ticket machine been removed
Quote from: Hammad on December 20, 2018, 05:27:02 PM
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6141.html
Why has the ticket machine been removed
I suspect each garage has their own, rather than them moving with the bus.
Quote from: Winston on December 20, 2018, 06:05:00 PM
I suspect each garage has their own, rather than them moving with the bus.
Normally machines would stay on the bus on transfers, but there are complications here as for instance the new buses are going into YW, but they are not withdrawing any to take them off, so there is a chain effect
Quote from: Tony on December 20, 2018, 06:41:53 PM
Normally machines would stay on the bus on transfers, but there are complications here as for instance the new buses are going into YW, but they are not withdrawing any to take them off, so there is a chain effect
so the ticket machines that are on these MMCs will be removed and put onto the platinums and they will receiver new ones
Quote from: Winston on December 19, 2018, 11:06:47 PM
Unless the Outer Circle Pvr has reduced lately, it was always thought to be in the region of the low forties i.e if that's still the case, there won't be enough Crimson E400MMC's to fully convert the Outer Circle, let along spares for other AG routes. Only 38 were set to join AG (6110-6148)
Yes, I realise that now. I think I was just being polite :), rather than saying that knowing what AG are like for allocating vehicles, it is more beneficial for them to have more buses of a type that 'could' be utilised on the 5/73 (E400) if one happened to be lying about the garage, than of a type that couldn't be (Gemini). ;D
Quote from: Hammad on December 20, 2018, 07:55:18 PM
so the ticket machines that are on these MMCs will be removed and put onto the platinums and they will receiver new ones
I presume the MMCs will receive ticket machines from the buses that are being withdrawn from AG, rather than new ones.
Quote from: Stu on December 20, 2018, 07:58:28 PM
I presume the MMCs will receive ticket machines from the buses that are being withdrawn from AG, rather than new ones.
oh yeh probably from the Volvo alx400
Quote from: Stu on December 20, 2018, 07:56:22 PM
Yes, I realise that now. I think I was just being polite :), rather than saying that knowing what AG are like for allocating vehicles, it is more beneficial for them to have more buses of a type that 'could' be utilised on the 5/73 (E400) if one happened to be lying about the garage, than of a type that couldn't be (Gemini). ;D
Lots are not of these new arrivals are not on there intended routes today.
There are 2 on the X12 - 6125 and 6141.
Then 4 on the 72 - 6136. 6143, 6148. I recall seeing 4 on the 72 while I was waiting for and on the X2. 6148 at the Station. Another by JLR heading into Solihull and 2 in convey heading into Solihull at the Wheatsheaf. At approximately 12:20.
Didn't see any on the 11, just Gemini and ALX400.
Quote from: 2206 on December 21, 2018, 02:41:20 PM
Lots are not of these new arrivals are not on there intended routes today.
There are 2 on the X12 - 6125 and 6141.
Then 4 on the 72 - 6136. 6143, 6148. I recall seeing 4 on the 72 while I was waiting for and on the X2. 6148 at the Station. Another by JLR heading into Solihull and 2 in convey heading into Solihull at the Wheatsheaf. At approximately 12:20.
Didn't see any on the 11, just Gemini and ALX400.
Well generally during these kinds of 'transition periods' allocations do go all over the place, so it is to be expected. Once all the vehicles have finished transferring, and parking positions become consistent, then allocations will become smoother.
Quote from: Stu on December 21, 2018, 05:03:50 PM
Well generally during these kinds of 'transition periods' allocations do go all over the place, so it is to be expected. Once all the vehicles have finished transferring, and parking positions become consistent, then allocations will become smoother.
And of course at AG a lot of the Geminis & Alx400s should only be on the 1 & 11 because of AQPS rules
Quote from: National2 on December 22, 2018, 08:30:38 PM
Thurs 20 Dec '18
6125 & 6137 of YW? out on late night X12 duties.
Fri 21 Dec '18.
6137 noted back out again on X12.
Are AG short of Platinums ? Understand X12 planned to operate with 10, depot allocation 10.
They're not Yardley Wood Buses anymore. 6125 and 6141 were also on the X12 on Friday, whilst 6704 was on the 72.
These are now Acocks Green buses, 6111 to 6124 from Pensnett and 6125 to 6148 from Yardley Wood are all due at AG, their intended use is on the Outer Circle, 11A and 11C. I saw 6141 on the 11A today, not sure if any others where out on there.
@National2
AG were using the special timetable for the 5/73 today, not the normal Saturday timetable as advertised on their website. The website now says that the special timetable will be used on Saturday 5th January, as well as the days mentioned on the timetable itself. It seemed to be working well today.
6125 has been branded for the outer circle like how the 50 /9 have been done
Edit : 6125 is now on the 11c not long left Acocks Green
Here's a quick screenshot of what it looks like
*Credit to Lee for the photo*
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on January 03, 2019, 05:07:55 PM
Here's a quick screenshot of what it looks like
That is unusual, it seems to say "Outer Circle to and From Bearwood"? And why Bearwood, that route goes to more places than just Bearwood and I personally don't see the importance of Bearwood over any of the other places it goes to? The old 11 branding that was up until recently carried by the Gemini was much more informative in my opinion.
Very little details on the route it serves there, what about, Acocks Green, Kings Heath, Yardley, Bournville, Selly Oak, Harborne, Ward End, Stechford, Cotteridge, Erdington, Perry Barr, City Hospital, Witton, etc
I thought the purpose of route branding is to promote the route, how do they expect non bus users, etc to know what the "Outer Circle is". Surely they could have picked, out of the many places the route serves, a few more places to include on there?
With so little details on the route it serves, compared to the new 50 branding, could it suggest that they may be planning on some sort of service change to the route in the near future?
Quote from: 2206 on January 03, 2019, 05:36:48 PM
That is unusual, it seems to say "Outer Cirle to and From Bearwood"? And why Bearwood, that route goes to more places than just Bearwood and I personally don't see the importance of Bearwood over any of the other places it goes to? The old 11 branding that was up until recently carried by the Gemini was much better in my opinion.
Very little details on the route it serves there, what about, Acocks Green, Kings Heath, Yardley, Bournville, Selly Oak, Harborne, Ward End, Stechford, Cotteridge, Erdington, Perry Barr, City Hospital, Witton, etc
I thought the purpose of route branding is to promote the route, how do they expect non bus users, etc to know what the "Outer Circle is". Surely they could have picked, out of the many places the route serves, a few more places to include on there?
With so little details on the route it serves, compared to the new 50 branding, could it suggest that they may be planning on some sort of service change to the route in the near future?
All the other via points on the route are mentioned on the rear.
I would imagine other vehicles will have different suburbs named in the side branding
Quote from: cardew on January 03, 2019, 06:02:49 PM
I would imagine other vehicles will have different suburbs named in the side branding
Correct
Quote from: 2206 on January 03, 2019, 05:36:48 PM
That is unusual, it seems to say "Outer Circle to and From Bearwood"? And why Bearwood, that route goes to more places than just Bearwood and I personally don't see the importance of Bearwood over any of the other places it goes to? The old 11 branding that was up until recently carried by the Gemini was much more informative in my opinion.
Very little details on the route it serves there, what about, Acocks Green, Kings Heath, Yardley, Bournville, Selly Oak, Harborne, Ward End, Stechford, Cotteridge, Erdington, Perry Barr, City Hospital, Witton, etc
I thought the purpose of route branding is to promote the route, how do they expect non bus users, etc to know what the "Outer Circle is". Surely they could have picked, out of the many places the route serves, a few more places to include on there?
With so little details on the route it serves, compared to the new 50 branding, could it suggest that they may be planning on some sort of service change to the route in the near future?
The 11 change an ex Lea Hall route would would get brand new freshly allocated vehicles I think before that happens lol
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on January 03, 2019, 05:07:55 PM
Here's a quick screenshot of what it looks like
*Credit to Lee for the photo*
Looks smart - the yellow is far more effective against the crimson than on red and white. I do like this new style branding.
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on January 03, 2019, 05:07:55 PM
Here's a quick screenshot of what it looks like
*Credit to Lee for the photo*
Very impactful
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on January 03, 2019, 05:07:55 PM
Here's a quick screenshot of what it looks like
*Credit to Lee for the photo*
Very smart, that.
Quote from: 2206 on January 03, 2019, 05:36:48 PM
That is unusual, it seems to say "Outer Circle to and From Bearwood"? And why Bearwood, that route goes to more places than just Bearwood and I personally don't see the importance of Bearwood over any of the other places it goes to? The old 11 branding that was up until recently carried by the Gemini was much more informative in my opinion.
Very little details on the route it serves there, what about, Acocks Green, Kings Heath, Yardley, Bournville, Selly Oak, Harborne, Ward End, Stechford, Cotteridge, Erdington, Perry Barr, City Hospital, Witton, etc
I thought the purpose of route branding is to promote the route, how do they expect non bus users, etc to know what the "Outer Circle is". Surely they could have picked, out of the many places the route serves, a few more places to include on there?
With so little details on the route it serves, compared to the new 50 branding, could it suggest that they may be planning on some sort of service change to the route in the near future?
The previous version of the Outer Circle branding also had 'variations on a theme' listing different places the route served on different buses. And as Tony has confirmed in his reply above, the same is being done with the new branding, so calm down!
And what's wrong with Bearwood? It's a popular area, and an important interchange along the Hagley Road with both the 82 and Outer Circle services.
You'd be surprised how well-known the Outer Circle route is, even my parents - who don't use buses - know what it is! ;)
Quote from: Stu on January 03, 2019, 07:45:44 PM
You'd be surprised how well-known the Outer Circle route is, even my parents - who don't use buses - know what it is! ;)
There's no point in promoting a route and advertising a route to people who know what the route is and know that it exsists. The whole purpose of route branding is to advertsise the route to people who don't know what the rote is and don't know it exsists.
Quote from: Stu on January 03, 2019, 07:45:44 PM
The previous version of the Outer Circle branding also had 'variations on a theme' listing different places the route served on different buses. And as Tony has confirmed in his reply above, the same is being done with the new branding, so calm down!
And what's wrong with Bearwood? It's a popular area, and an important interchange along the Hagley Road with both the 82 and Outer Circle services.
It'd certainly be more useful to have to and from - ... and then a list of places on the side in my opinion rather than a massive Outer Circle (and empty space) - to be quite honest I don't see the point of the massive Outer Circle.
Nothing wrong with Bearwood, but there are other interchanges on the route, you could say the same for Yardley (an popular area with an interchange point for the Coventry Rd services down to the Airport, Solihull, Coventry and Sheldon), City Hospital (Hospital and interchange for the 82/87 and X7) or or lots of the other just as important places it goes to.
I certainly think it would have been better listing where the route goes to like on the side of the bus like the 4/A branding and the old outer circle branding.
The old Outer Circle Branding listed places the route goes on the side unlike this branding (it wasn't like this where just one place is listed on the side of the bus).
LOVING the new branding but Not a fan of the Outer Circle colour! Too in your face and doesn't go well with the crimson. I think orange would have been better
Quote from: 2206 on January 03, 2019, 07:47:38 PM
There's no point in promoting a route and advertising a route to people who know what the route is and know that it exsists. The whole purpose of route branding is to advertsise the route to people who don't know what the rote is and don't know it exsists.
It'd certainly be more useful to have to and from - ... and then a list of places on the side in my opinion rather than a massive Outer Circle (and empty space) - to be quite honest I don't see the point of the massive Outer Circle.
Nothing wrong with Bearwood, but there are other interchanges on the route, you could say the same for Yardley, City Hospital or or lots of the other just as important places it goes to.
I certainly think it would have been better listing where the route goes to like on the side of the bus like the 4/A branding and the old outer circle branding.
The old Outer Circle Branding listed places the route goes on the side unlike this branding (it wasn't like this where just one place is listed on the side of the bus).
Calm down Beyoncé
As Tony said each bus will have a different place on the outer circle on it... I change at bearwood many a time to go to Harborne/Selly Oak. It also advistises to the other parts of the route that this bus goes to Bearwood, another one will say Acocks Green and back, Harborne and back, Perry Barr and back...
Quote from: mrboshell on January 03, 2019, 07:48:34 PM
LOVING the new branding but Not a fan of the Outer Circle colour! Too in your face and doesn't go well with the crimson. I think orange would have been better
I agree with you there. The new branding is to a nice style but yellow on crimson doesn't go well. Much prefer the blue on grey for the 50, the grey is obviously a dull base livery, so the blue brightens it up, but isn't too bright that it's in your face.
The use of different place names on the side is similar to the previous branded Gemini's in that they had a few different variations for the rear branding, but more than one location on the side
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on January 03, 2019, 08:11:01 PM
I agree with you there. The new branding is to a nice style but yellow on crimson doesn't go well. Much prefer the blue on grey for the 50, the grey is obviously a dull base livery, so the blue brightens it up, but isn't too bright that it's in your face.
The use of different place names on the side is similar to the previous branded Gemini's in that they had a few different variations for the rear branding, but more than one location on the side
I agree! Using some colours on the platinum colour won't go, or will look too in your face like the outer circle! Now the geminis, the yellow went very well
Quote from: markcf83 on January 03, 2019, 08:34:05 PM
Some obs from yesterday and this morning prior to returning to Cardiff.
1909-rt 6.
6126-rt X12.
4848-rt 907.
Those were from yesterday-below are this morning's.
6704-rt 5.
6828-rt 60.
6116-rt 126.
If any of these are semi regular workings then ignore them.
Virtually none of those aren't unusual in the slightest actually.
6828 on the 60 (The platinums at BC are regularly used on the 60 as well as the Bristol Rd (from what I've seen anyway), alongside the platinum X20/X21/X22, 23/24 and X1/X2), 6116 on the 126 (What made you think this one was unusual, its usual and infact the man allocation - the 126 has been split in recent months and the platinums are now on the Dudley Rd express X7 and X8 via Blackheath and the Hagley Rd), 1909 on the 6 is again the usual allocation allongside E200 MMC, 6126 on the X12 is again not unusual whatever colour it is (at present AG use these alongside the Platinums on the X12, as there aren't enough platinums at present to completly operate the X12 and 4848 on the 907 isn't unusual either (As far as I know these E400 see use on all PB decker routes that are operated by B7TL's and E400.
Only one that is unusual is 6704 on the 5.
It looks like the crimson MMCs are replacing the Gemini's used on the X12
Quote from: mrboshell on January 03, 2019, 08:56:04 PM
It looks like the crimson MMCs are replacing the Gemini's used on the X12
Some are being used on the X12 at present, though that probably depends on how many MMC are branded or the 11 (if all of 6110 - 6145 (the debranded buses) are 11 branded, I wouldn't think there will be many let for the X12 and if AG get any platinums from PN though, I expect.
As stated earler, there are some unusual allocations in these changeover periods, and AG can't use the Non Trapped Gemini on the Solihull services. So its best to see, what the allocations are like when they've settled down.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on January 03, 2019, 08:11:01 PM
I agree with you there. The new branding is to a nice style but yellow on crimson doesn't go well. Much prefer the blue on grey for the 50, the grey is obviously a dull base livery, so the blue brightens it up, but isn't too bright that it's in your face.
The use of different place names on the side is similar to the previous branded Gemini's in that they had a few different variations for the rear branding, but more than one location on the side
How about lime green branding for the 9
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on January 03, 2019, 09:42:37 PM
How about lime green branding for the 9
The 9 is being branded in lime green, there's some photos about on Facebook.
Quote from: StourValley98 on January 03, 2019, 11:32:15 PM
The 9 is being branded in lime green, there's some photos about on Facebook.
Now on the main site, as well. ;)
I don't like the new branding for the 11. It looks over the top with this horrid TfWM cheap rubbish. The yellow branding on the Gemini's was better than this rubbish, the yellow doesn't go with the Crimson.
I presume this branding is TfWM's opportunity to get more people to use the buses, seen as all they care about is the metro...
Quote from: Jack on January 04, 2019, 01:10:43 PM
I don't like the new branding for the 11. It looks over the top with this horrid TfWM cheap rubbish. The yellow branding on the Gemini's was better than this rubbish, the yellow doesn't go with the Crimson.
I presume this branding is TfWM's opportunity to get more people to use the buses, seen as all they care about is the metro...
that's their new branding, trying to become the West Midlands Bus. I like the branding, just not the 11 one as the colour is too bright in your face!
Quote from: Jack on January 04, 2019, 01:10:43 PM
I don't like the new branding for the 11. It looks over the top with this horrid TfWM cheap rubbish. The yellow branding on the Gemini's was better than this rubbish, the yellow doesn't go with the Crimson.
I presume this branding is TfWM's opportunity to get more people to use the buses, seen as all they care about is the metro...
Don't think I've ever seen a statement I agreed with more on here! It's sad because the 11 in recent times has always had circular themed branding, which was a perfect fit for the route, even the awful green still had circles on the windows...
Quote from: V89MOA on January 04, 2019, 01:25:51 PM
Don't think I've ever seen a statement I agreed with more on here! It's sad because the 11 in recent times has always had circular themed branding, which was a perfect fit for the route, even the awful green still had circles on the windows...
I have to agree, I miss the circles which has always suited the 11. I don't like that branding and one operators livery is changing to meet TfWM's needs. The new announcements on the 50 are just London's iBus in the West Midlands.
I'm going dread the 126's new branding, again another route that has had its last brandings in circles, so it's new branding will be another TfWM cock up...
Quote from: Jack on January 04, 2019, 01:32:15 PM
I have to agree, I miss the circles which has always suited the 11. I don't like that branding and one operators livery is changing to meet TfWM's needs. The new announcements on the 50 are just London's iBus in the West Midlands.
I'm going dread the 126's new branding, again another route that has had its last brandings in circles, so it's new branding will be another TfWM cock up...
the circles have always looked better, x1/x2, x3/4/5/14, x61, 126, x7/8 and more! They look good on the platinum colours. Shame tfwm have to ruin it
Quote from: mrboshell on January 04, 2019, 01:37:55 PM
the circles have always looked better, x1/x2, x3/4/5/14, x61, 126, x7/8 and more! They look good on the platinum colours. Shame tfwm have to ruin it
The new branding was done by NX. TfWM did not have a say
Apart from kids on here who said the 126 is going to be rebranded
Again kids on here said new platinums for 126 in March
Quote from: Tony on January 04, 2019, 02:39:53 PM
The new branding was done by NX. TfWM did not have a say
my bad!
Quote from: cardew on January 03, 2019, 06:02:49 PM
I would imagine other vehicles will have different suburbs named in the side branding
6125 says Bearwood
6126 says harbourne
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on January 03, 2019, 05:07:55 PM
Here's a quick screenshot of what it looks like
*Credit to Lee for the photo*
I like it, it definitely catches the eye, got to be honest though, I feel like they could have utilised the space better rather than just writing 'Outer Circle' in a big font.
I think the last TWM 11 branding set the bar too high
Quote from: Sh4318 on January 04, 2019, 08:13:29 PM
I like it, it definitely catches the eye, got to be honest though, I feel like they could have utilised the space better rather than just writing 'Outer Circle' in a big font.
I think the last TWM 11 branding set the bar too high
Something like this on a couple of the Enviros would be good. Not sure how practical it is though, what with smashed windows and stuff.
(https://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/TWM4636.071025.jpg)
Quote from: MW on January 04, 2019, 08:48:20 PM
Something like this on a couple of the Enviros would be good. Not sure how practical it is though, what with smashed windows and stuff.
At least it has more places listed other than Bearwood...
Quote from: Jack on January 04, 2019, 08:51:46 PM
At least it has more places listed other than Bearwood...
Expert in advertising are you?
Quote from: Jack on January 04, 2019, 08:51:46 PM
At least it has more places listed other than Bearwood...
6126 and 6125 have different names on the side instead of bearwood, I think the aim is to have a one major destination of outer circle on the side branding rest of them on the rear
Some people really are missing the point... The Outer Circle is famous in Brum, most people know about it, it's in popular culture, memes with "does the 11 go there?", I've got a bloody t-shirt of the route.
It doesn't need all the individual places advertised on every bus, christ the list would cover the entire vehicle
I hear NXWM are giving up on the 58 in March.
Can anyone confirm or deny this?
Quote from: MW on January 09, 2019, 08:55:12 PM
I hear NXWM are giving up on the 58 in March.
Can anyone confirm or deny this?
Interesting, though I always thought the 31 had a greater chance of going. If the 58 was to go could we see the S16 being altered/curtailed or an independent taking on the 58?
Quote from: MW on January 09, 2019, 08:55:12 PM
I hear NXWM are giving up on the 58 in March.
Can anyone confirm or deny this?
If they are then they will probably need to put an extra bus on the X2 to cope with extra passengers by duplicating the 07:54 X2 departure from the Swan to Solihull, the 58 which leaves the Swan at that time has a full standing load once it gets to Clay Lane usually, with all those passengers going towards Solihull. If all these passengers try and get on the 07:54 X2 from the Swan its simply not going to cope with any extra passengers, as both this departure and the one a few minutes behind it at 07:59 are both already full to capacity as well with standing passengers.
Quote from: Jack on January 09, 2019, 09:12:09 PM
Interesting, though I always thought the 31 had a greater chance of going. If the 58 was to go could we see the S16 being altered/curtailed or an independent taking on the 58?
The 31 is part of the Solihull tenders commencing 24th February, so it's already gone.
Quote from: Jack on January 09, 2019, 09:12:09 PM
Interesting, though I always thought the 31 had a greater chance of going. If the 58 was to go could we see the S16 being altered/curtailed or an independent taking on the 58?
The 31 is going. It's apparantly been lost on tender to Silverline.
I'm told by some of my former colleagues at AG that there's a notice in the drivers room stating that from March, the 58 is withdrawn.
Quote from: MW on January 09, 2019, 09:15:54 PM
The 31 is part of the Solihull tenders commencing 24th February, so it's already gone.
I saw that coming from the day it was changed...
Quote from: Winston on January 09, 2019, 09:16:09 PM
The 31 is going. It's apparantly been lost on tender to Silverline.
Be nice if they extend it to Solihull town centre, probably mean the route isn't so pointless, but can't see that happening.
Quote from: Jack on January 09, 2019, 09:30:16 PM
I saw that coming from the day it was changed...
Be nice if they extend it to Solihull town centre, probably mean the route isn't so pointless, but can't see that happening.
It's because of the running time. It's 26-27 mins each way. 54 mins leaving just 6 mins to spare to a) accomdate driver changes and b) incorporate the Town Centre.
You can do it, but it'll leave no breathing space for the slightest delays.
Quote from: National2 on January 18, 2019, 07:41:25 AM
First batch Platinum AG 6711 out on X12 this morning.
@National2 X12 is a Platinum route, so a Platinum bus is not noteworthy.
Stu, Point was, first noting for me anyway, of 6711 ex PN. National2.
Quote from: National2 on January 18, 2019, 08:05:28 PM
Stu, Point was, first noting for me anyway, of 6711 ex PN. National2.
So? Doesn't make it rare.
Probably not to you. Take it, it has worked it many times before then !
Quote from: National2 on January 18, 2019, 08:46:26 PM
Probably not to you. Take it, it has worked it many times before then !
It's a Platinum on a Platinum operated route...
4639 spotted in Lye, presumably returning from MOT
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 24, 2019, 02:43:21 PM
4639 spotted in Lye, presumably returning from MOT
I was of the belief that AG buses go to CV for MOT ?
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on January 25, 2019, 12:37:10 AM
I was of the belief that AG buses go to CV for MOT ?
Unless it had been at RWT Lye for some repairs and was on a test run?
Gemini on the 1A by the Cricket Ground was displaying 1A to Solihull
Is this the actual route?
Quote from: OH25 on January 25, 2019, 05:01:02 PM
Gemini on the 1A by the Cricket Ground was displaying 1A to Solihull
Is this the actual route?
Yep,
It's the 885 school route basically.
Does anyone have a link to the Solihull Tenders?
Quote from: Jack D on January 25, 2019, 05:28:53 PM
Does anyone have a link to the Solihull Tenders?
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/operations/bus-services/
Statutory Info Feb 2019 file download
Could they not take some of the seat cushions out of the ALX400 that have been refurbed and are being withdrawn like 4292, 4293, 4294 and 4301 and put them into the unrefurbished vehicles they have trapped at AG and YW?
They still seemed to be in good condition on those 429X, as presumably these 428X and 45XX will still be around for some time yet?
It would mean the interior would be in a lot better a condition?
Previous reports on this website have said that the 31 and 58 are leaving AG on 24th February but nothing has appeared officially on any public websites. Is this going to happen?
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 31, 2019, 03:00:30 PM
Previous reports on this website have said that the 31 and 58 are leaving AG on 24th February but nothing has appeared officially on any public websites. Is this going to happen?
No
Thanks Tony and 2206 for clearing that up for me.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on February 05, 2019, 06:17:14 PM
Shame there is no competition sounds like a good business opportunity
Dreadful service on the 11 again today. 2 very overcrowded buses turned up - both this morning and afternoon, 6111 and 6141. Shame NX don't do anything to try and reduce the overcrowidng on these routes, but I doubt they ever will as these journeys have been like this for many years now.
Its often a struggle to actually get of the bus, at the Swan with all the people (mostly kids), standing on the stairs, top deck and blocking the doors of the bus, as NX let as many of them on as possible. Plus some people smoking something very stong on 6141 this afternoon. Often they look dangerously overcrowded, exceeding the capacity limits. Strangely the drivers will sit at the stop for a few minutes as well saying they can't carry on as its dangerous such as on 6111 this morning and then after a few minutes, of those passengers refusing to move they then decide to carry back on despite what they were saying earlier.
I often have long waits to actually get on a bus at the Swan as well due to the overcrowding on these routes - regularly 30 - 40 + minutes, shame they don't duplicate these busy journeys.
Typical day on the 11. Dreadful service.
Quote from: 2206 on February 07, 2019, 08:34:08 PM
Dreadful service on the 11 again today. 2 very overcrowded buses - both this morning and afternoon, 6111 and 6141. Shame NX don't do anything to try and reduce the overcrowidng on these routes, but these journeys have been like this for many years now.
Its often a struggle to actually get of the bus, at the Swan with all the people (mostly kids), as NX squash as many of them in as possible, standing on the stairs, top deck and blocking the doors of the bus. Plus some people smoking something very stong on 6141 this afternoon. Often they look dangerously overcrowded, exceeding the capacity limits. Strangely the drivers will sit at the stop for a few minutes as well saying they can't carry on as its dangerous such as on 6111 this morning and then after a few minutes, of those passengers refusing to move they then decide to carry back on despite what they were saying earlier.
I often have long waits to actually get on a bus at the Swan as well due to the overcrowding on these routes - regularly 30 - 40 + minutes.
Typical day on the 11. Dreadful service.
Without fitting wings or ploughs to push all other traffic out of the way, what do you expect NX to do? And as a driver you try stopping people getting on. In the old days you used to just slam the doors shut, but you cannot do that now for fear of hitting someone and having a claim against you.
Quote from: Tony on February 07, 2019, 08:38:26 PM
Without fitting wings or ploughs to push all other traffic out of the way, what do you expect NX to do? And as a driver you try stopping people getting on. In the old days you used to just slam the doors shut, but you cannot do that now for fear of hitting someone and having a claim against you.
Your solution seems to be to split the routes in half? I'm a regular on the 11 nowadays and the reliability is really hit and miss. Some days buses Will have a quite long wait at timing points indicating they're on time, other times you will get 4 together, however the buses still don't seem to be that full probably due to the times I catch the 11. The other day an 11A which was due to terminate at harborne drove past me when I signallled I wanted that bus.
4661 looks like it may have just been taken off the 72 and put onto a 4E to Acocks Green in Solihull. Big crowds at the 4 stand.
Quote from: MW on February 08, 2019, 03:28:19 PM
4661 looks like it may have just been taken off the 72 and put onto a 4E to Acocks Green in Solihull. Big crowds at the 4 stand.
Are the peak time 4Es actually helping the overcrowding between Acocks Green & Solihull?
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 31, 2019, 03:00:30 PM
Previous reports on this website have said that the 31 and 58 are leaving AG on 24th February but nothing has appeared officially on any public websites. Is this going to happen?
They're not being withdrawn as was orrigninally suggested on here, but i've noticed that VOSA is seemingly showing that there will be a variation to the 58 and 31 from the 24th March 2019?
Doesn anyone know what the changes to these routes that this refers to are?
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/529688/
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/529687/
Does anybody know why 6712 had 11C Perry bar on the destination earlier
Quote from: Jordan on February 12, 2019, 04:50:33 PM
Does anybody know why 6712 had 11C Perry bar on the destination earlier
I'm fairly certain it didn't, because if you put 11 into 6712's destination you get Walsall, Dudley and a few places in between.
11 branded 6141 on 72
I see 4287 has been withdrawn, probably the one which hit the tree in Horrel Road. Can the euro6 equipment from it be fitted to 4667 or 4672 which haven't been converted yet?
Quote from: Eric Shaw on March 03, 2019, 08:37:13 PM
I see 4287 has been withdrawn, probably the one which hit the tree in Horrel Road. Can the euro6 equipment from it be fitted to 4667 or 4672 which haven't been converted yet?
Yes 4287 has been withdrawn because of the tree incidents but that may not be the end of it. If the chassis is ok, the exterior will be patched up and it will join the training fleet
4651 is doing the 08:33 & 09:30 short 4 journies from AG to Solihull today then back to garage
4298 on the 11C: haven't really seen one on there since MMCs became the main allocation
Funnily enough, 6141 just passed me with a 1 towards Five Ways
Quote from: CL on March 07, 2019, 10:29:35 AM
4298 on the 11C: haven't really seen one on there since MMCs became the main allocation
I've still seen the odd 1 or 2 on there regularly, since the MMC became the main allocation.
I've regularly seen an ex PB one (4276 - 91 batch).
According to NWM from 24/03/2019:
31 is being extended to Solihull Town Centre in 2 weeks time.
1/1A and 31 are having a route change in Acocks Green and 58 in Solihull Town Centre in 2 weeks time, does anyone know what route they are going to take?
Quote from: CL on March 07, 2019, 10:29:35 AM
4298 on the 11C: haven't really seen one on there since MMCs became the main allocation
Funnily enough, 6141 just passed me with a 1 towards Five Ways
4298 is still in service at AG and on the 11C again today.
07:45 Fox and Goose.
4A reduced to every 15 mins, 4 increased to every 5-10 mins (the 5 mins combined frequency will remain) BUT on Saturdays AND Sundays the 4A will be every 20 mins, the 4 will be every 8-12 mins (combining every 6-8 mins)
Good news! The 4 has been full to standing and unreliable. I've been getting the 58 to Solihull; although it was only every 20 minutes you could rely on it.
Quote from: 2206 on March 07, 2019, 05:11:02 PM
According to NWM from 24/03/2019:
1/1A and 31 are having a route change in Acocks Green in 2 weeks time, does anyone know what route they are going to take?
Pure speculation on my behalf, but I'm going to take a guess on the 1/1A losing its Shirley Rd & Dolphin La loop with the 31 rerouted accordingly.
4651 is doing 4 trips around the 11C today if anyone wants to photograph it, next due Acocks Green 11:39
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2019, 09:54:22 AM
4651 is doing 4 trips around the 11C today if anyone wants to photograph it, next due Acocks Green 11:39
Gone back in garage now
It looks like it's doing the 49E this morning. If anyone wants it and is nearby, you have approx 20 minutes to get to Maypole.
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2019, 09:54:22 AM
4651 is doing 4 trips around the 11C today if anyone wants to photograph it, next due Acocks Green 11:39
Why haven't they retrimmed the interior of 4651?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 11, 2019, 08:53:12 AM
Why haven't they retrimmed the interior of 4651?
It didn't need retrimming
4651 on the 4 for four round trips if anyone wants to see it
4651 1027 acocks green to Solihull
http://www.travelinemidlands.co.uk/wmtis/XSLT_ADDINFO_REQUEST?filterInfoID=6081_TfWM
58 and 31 are going to interwork.
"From this date the NXWM 31 service will have a new route to/from Acocks Green via Gospel Lane, Redstone Road, Streetbrook Road, Olton Road, Stratford Road, Solihull Road, Sharmans Cross Road to/from Solihull. It will then become a service 58 at Solihull for the service upto Yardley.
Passengers will be allowed to travel through Solihull when it changes route number.
The timetables for the 31 and 58 routes will be revised."
I wander if that means some of those 8XX E200 might get onto the 58 as well as the 31 which they currently get used on?
834 was on the 58 today.
Anyone inform me what the council are actually doing in Selly Oak. From the retail park up to Bristol road one lane closed yet no workers present causing massive delays. The council really are useless
4651 is now in normal use and is on the 4 today
Does anyone know which of 6111 - 6148 are to be branded for the 11, when they are all done?
Quote from: 2206 on March 18, 2019, 04:59:23 PM
Does anyone know which of 6111 - 6148 are to be branded for the 11, when they are all done?
I think it's generally clear 6147/8 won't be branded, both having tachographs.
Currently sat on 4651 in chelmsley wood, I love the paint job but I am slightly disappointed that the seats are still in nxwm grey. In my opinion I would have liked to see the seats re done in a period correct design to match the paintwork.
Quote from: dw1308 on March 19, 2019, 01:31:28 PM
Currently sat on 4651 in chelmsley wood, I love the paint job but I am slightly disappointed that the seats are still in nxwm grey. In my opinion I would have liked to see the seats re done in a period correct design to match the paintwork.
Not having red plastic seats in a current bus, sorry!
Quote from: Tony on March 19, 2019, 01:33:33 PM
Not having red plastic seats in a current bus, sorry!
No no I wouldn't want to.go back to the red plastic covers as that would be idiotic what I meant was re creating the design but in the current materials
Quote from: dw1308 on March 20, 2019, 12:42:12 PM
No no I wouldn't want to.go back to the red plastic covers as that would be idiotic what I meant was re creating the design but in the current materials
It's highly unlikely NX would sanction a brand new moquette design specific to one Hertitage Bus only, it would cost stupid money only buying enough for 4651 & a bit of spare.
Looks like the NWM app is playing up again. 3 11Cs have shown as due then dissapeared of the the radar
4 have now turned up 2 Gemini's one going Dudley road the other going bearwood and 2 MMC'S going full routes
4651 on the X12 today
I think it is the first time on there since repaint
@Eric Shaw, Crimson E400MMC's are usual on the 5/73.
They are Jack, bit I think this was 6114's first duty at AG after from PN.
I've just noticed 4667 doesn't have a trap, was this deliberate or missed out?
What does this mean for the 1ᴬ? As this suggests it won't be able to turn right onto Priory Road, Acocks Green bound.
https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/blog/connected-bulletin/post/170/birmingham-connected-extra-moor-street-queensway-and-priory-crossroads
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 23, 2019, 04:45:20 PM
What does this mean for the 1ᴬ? As this suggests it won't be able to turn right onto Priory Road, Acocks Green bound.
https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/blog/connected-bulletin/post/170/birmingham-connected-extra-moor-street-queensway-and-priory-crossroads
I guess it would have to go via Pebble Mill Road and Pershore Road instead.
Quote from: Stu on March 23, 2019, 06:15:25 PM
I guess it would have to go via Pebble Mill Road and Pershore Road instead.
Well it's from this Monday so I'm guessing there must be a plan in place.
Quote from: Stu on March 23, 2019, 06:15:25 PM
I guess it would have to go via Pebble Mill Road and Pershore Road instead.
Could it go via Edgbaston Park Road maybe, I was at Solihull the other day and some of the AG drivers were saying something about the 1 route and Edgbsaton Park Road no idea what about it though. Or could that be the route the evening journeys will be taking on the QE/Five Ways loop?
edit - Pebble Mill Road does look more direct though.
Quote from: MasterPlan on March 23, 2019, 04:45:20 PM
What does this mean for the 1ᴬ? As this suggests it won't be able to turn right onto Priory Road, Acocks Green bound.
https://www.birmingham.gov.uk/blog/connected-bulletin/post/170/birmingham-connected-extra-moor-street-queensway-and-priory-crossroads
Interesting point, didn't think about the 1A when I saw the story
Pebble Mill seems obvious but
perhaps there's an opportunity here for a service via Selly Park (Selly Wick Road / Elmdon Road / Bournbrook Road, or even continue Raddlebarn Road to Oak Tree Lane) to and from the QE? Would prove even more popular with students heading to/from Moseley than the current route
Quote from: Jack on March 23, 2019, 11:46:21 AM
I've just noticed 4667 doesn't have a trap, was this deliberate or missed out?
4672 is also missing its trap, still blasting it's cooling fans.
Quote from: Jack on March 30, 2019, 12:35:43 PM
4672 is also missing its trap, still blasting it's cooling fans.
I mentioned that the other day with that ones fans haha
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 30, 2019, 06:24:09 PM
I mentioned that the other day with that ones fans haha
I need to ride it soon, it's been ages since I last had a Gemini blaring it's fans!
831 is one of the buses on former igo route 99
834 - A12.
833 - 99.
I noticed the A12 was using the stop outside the Pub in Acocks Green earlier, stop AL. Are they not using the 11A stop, stop AM? As A12 is on the timetable and flag at AM?
Does anyone know how long the tender for the 99 and A12 is for?
Nice to see at least 3 alx 400 on the 11A/C today. Managed to catch 4301 brilliant bus with plenty of power.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 05, 2019, 02:22:28 PM
Nice to see at least 3 alx 400 on the 11A/C today. Managed to catch 4301 brilliant bus with plenty of power.
There's at least 2 out on the 4/4a too. Totally agree with you - they're great buses.
Quote from: James4368 on April 06, 2019, 08:28:49 AM
6114 - AG73
They are on the 5/73 and 72 every single day
@James4368. Its not noteworthy in the slightest.
Quote from: 2206 on April 06, 2019, 08:51:20 AM
They are on the 5/73 and 72 every single day @James4368. Its not noteworthy in the slightest.
Okay
@2206 only just started spotting again so not aware of the changes of allocations etc.
Why was 4676 withdrawn
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on April 06, 2019, 01:29:48 PM
Why was 4676 withdrawn
Uninsured van driver did £20,000 worth of damage to it on the 72
i didnt realise it was withdrawn thought it was at carlyle for repairs.
sorry just seen it on Tonys fleetchanges
Two long term absentees back out this morning 2203 & 4526
Just curious how is the new 4 timetable working, do you still get crowding when you have the 10 mins gap on the acocks green to solihull section etc.
Just seen a 11e and I was a SINGLE decker ! Is that the first time in a long long time there has been a single decker on it
Its been on the 11C all day
Quote from: monkeyjoe on April 08, 2019, 02:20:24 PM
Just curious how is the new 4 timetable working, do you still get crowding when you have the 10 mins gap on the acocks green to solihull section etc.
In fact the timetable on this section is more or less every 7 or 8 minutes. I've been boycotting the 4 since the service was almost halved but I tried it last week from Olton in mid afternoon. Waited 25 minutes, during which 2 workings which said 'Due' on the info system just disappeared. At length an E200 came up, full to standing but with room. It was 38 minutes late. I think I'll carry on with my boycott!
I was surprised to see the 31's daytime frequency increased. Does anyone know how's getting on since the change?
Quote from: Sh4318 on April 08, 2019, 11:52:55 PM
I was surprised to see the 31's daytime frequency increased. Does anyone know how's getting on since the change?
It interworks the 58 now, so had to match the frequency.
Still appears to be dead all the time though, although it was listed in the Solihull tenders along with the recent Landflight/Johnson's routes so maybe they've won subsidy for it?
Are 6127/32 branded for the 11? ,asking for a friend who keeps track of the brandings. Thanks
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on April 09, 2019, 07:22:30 AM
Are 6127/32 branded for the 11? ,asking for a friend who keeps track of the brandings. Thanks
Yes.
6111 - 6114 and 6147 - 6148 are the unbranded ones.
Quote from: SK68MEV on April 08, 2019, 06:43:52 PM
Just seen a 11e and I was a SINGLE decker ! Is that the first time in a long long time there has been a single decker on it
What does E stand for? I have Googled (using various phrases), but can't find anything.
Quote from: Stephen Parry on April 09, 2019, 02:49:37 PM
What does E stand for? I have Googled (using various phrases), but can't find anything.
Short journey.
Meaning it's terminating earlier than scheduled somewhere on the route.
Thanks. Although how does E equate to short journey? ;)
Society is obsessed with "E", I tell ya. I drove an automatic car a while back and one of the positions was "E" - for drive. Who knew "Drive" began with an E, eh? :D
E stands for Exception to the route
Quote from: 2206 on April 09, 2019, 03:11:59 PM
Short journey.
Meaning it's terminating earlier than scheduled somewhere on the route.
It originated as meaning exception not just short
Quote from: Tony on April 09, 2019, 04:40:02 PM
It originated as meaning exception not just short
A prime example of this is PB46 - which has an 'E' blind beyond One Stop to Perry Barr Bus Garage.
Another example is the 12A, becomes the 12E on a night and only does Birmingham to Oldbury. Operated by WB.
E400 MMC are usual
@mrboshell That tends to be where the unbranded Crimson ones are everyday as well as on the 5/73.
6702 was also on there this morning, which also seems to be becomming more common now, quite a few seem to have been on there recently.
Why was 4676 withdrawn
73's being diverted away from Horell road this morning. I could not see why when travelling on the route but the driver suggested an accident was the cause.
I travelled on 734 on the A12 this morning and it seemed strange to go on a NXWM vehicle with a non standard interior. I don't think there have been any second hand vehicles in the fleet of NXWM or any of its predecessors since the last DMS's were withdrawn in 1986.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on April 24, 2019, 08:48:38 PM
I travelled on 734 on the A12 this morning and it seemed strange to go on a NXWM vehicle with a non standard interior. I don't think there have been any second hand vehicles in the fleet of NXWM or any of its predecessors since the last DMS's were withdrawn in 1986.
The second hand Leyland Nationals superceded the DMSs, I think 1745 was the last, ex Ribble running until 1997
Weren't there also newer Daf Optares single deckers acquired with Yourbus that ultimately could be classed as second hand on takeover by WMT? Maybe other vehicle types too.
Was Walsall 101 (the bus that was usually on the 999 service) secondhand or did it arrive new from a dealer?
Just seen an e200mmc on the 1 turn left from Church Road and go down Edgebaston Park Road. Diversion?
Quote from: MasterPlan on April 25, 2019, 09:39:46 PM
Just seen an e200mmc on the 1 turn left from Church Road and go down Edgebaston Park Road. Diversion?
Priory Road is closed according to Google.
433 with all the fleetnames changes in a nice sunny Sparkhill this morning is here
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/0501-0830/433.html
Quote from: Tony on April 29, 2019, 06:32:20 PM
433 with all the fleetnames changes in a nice sunny Sparkhill this morning is here
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/0501-0830/433.html
Are AG operating the 36 now then? Or just a nice spot for a photo opportunity? 8)
Quote from: Stu on April 29, 2019, 06:37:50 PM
Are AG operating the 36 now then? Or just a nice spot for a photo opportunity? 8)
It was on the delivery tun to AG this morning. Cannot be used in service, not vault, ticket machine or radio fitted. Rushed into use due to an unexpected extension to the JLR J10 service
Quote from: Tony on April 29, 2019, 06:54:51 PM
It was on the delivery tun to AG this morning. Cannot be used in service, not vault, ticket machine or radio fitted. Rushed into use due to an unexpected extension to the JLR J10 service
Ah OK, so I take it the Streetlite is for either the A12 or 99 then? Or just for JLR work?
Quote from: Stu on April 30, 2019, 07:35:12 AM
Ah OK, so I take it the Streetlite is for either the A12 or 99 then? Or just for JLR work?
only JLR Work as tony said above no ticket machine radio or
Vault fitted
Quote from: Stu on April 30, 2019, 07:35:12 AM
Ah OK, so I take it the Streetlite is for either the A12 or 99 then? Or just for JLR work?
A12 and 99 get 83X.
I presume it's for the Gaydon JLR?
Quote from: 2206 on April 30, 2019, 12:47:31 PM
A12 and 99 get 83X.
I presume it's for the Gaydon JLR?
See my quote above! No need to presume
" Cannot be used in service, not vault, ticket machine or radio fitted. Rushed into use due to an unexpected extension to the JLR J10 service"
Quote from: Tony on April 30, 2019, 01:00:01 PM
See my quote above! No need to presume
" Cannot be used in service, not vault, ticket machine or radio fitted. Rushed into use due to an unexpected extension to the JLR J10 service"
Thanks for the clarification, sorry, I wasn't sure if you meant they hadn't been fitted 'yet' which is why it couldn't be used 'in service'.
Had 4280 on the 11A this afternoon. Really is a fantastic bus very quick and roaring down the A4040
Quote from: Ian Hardy on June 05, 2019, 09:40:41 PM
On Monday 3rd:
6112 was on AG 5
They get on the 5/73 most days
@Ian Hardy.
BBC live on the 11 , randomly talking to strangers ....... ok
4276 was on the Outer Circle, on Saturday. Didn't get a photo though, and not sure when I'll see her again. Could end up on any AG operated service.
How many buses do they use on the 36? Yesterday, there was just 4366 and 4367 on the route.
Quote from: darthdc on June 21, 2019, 03:22:52 PM
How many buses do they use on the 36? Yesterday, there was just 4366 and 4367 on the route.
2.
Its also operated by Birmingham Central, not Acocks Green. Which is why there were 2 Tridents on it.
I wondered what those non-trapped Tridents were for!
Saw 4689 on the 11C today. Another transfer?
it was transferred last week along with 4688 im guessing the rest will follow along with the remaining 45s
Saw 6708 today with the lower branding on the back window removed. I take it this is to facilitate the possible new route the X12 may be taking???
Quote from: Squiz1971 on July 13, 2019, 03:13:06 PM
Saw 6708 today with the lower branding on the back window removed. I take it this is to facilitate the possible new route the X12 may be taking???
More likely some moron has smashed the back window and it has been replaced with plain glass
Quote from: Tony on July 13, 2019, 03:25:09 PM
More likely some moron has smashed the back window and it has been replaced with plain glass
Oh ok thanks, wasn't sure whether to write it here or in the Oddities thread to be honest
@Tony
Just been following 4659 up the Birmingham Road towards Walsall. Definitely somewhere different to see an Acocks Green vehicle! Engineer was driving, so I'm assuming it's heading to Walsall Garage for some reason.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on July 24, 2019, 03:03:10 PM
Just been following 4659 up the Birmingham Road towards Walsall. Definitely somewhere different to see an Acocks Green vehicle! Engineer was driving, so I'm assuming it's heading to Walsall Garage for some reason.
Tony can correct me but could it be going to Walsall for a quick repaint prior to its heading to Coventry.
Quote from: markcf83 on July 24, 2019, 03:49:30 PM
Tony can correct me but could it be going to Walsall for a quick repaint prior to its heading to Coventry.
Possibly not, as that one is Crimson. The rest going to NXC were all red/white.
Quote from: markcf83 on July 24, 2019, 03:49:30 PM
Tony can correct me but could it be going to Walsall for a quick repaint prior to its heading to Coventry.
The whole point of the PB-AG-CV double swap is to avoid repainting crimson buses
For anyone interested, 831 did the last day of the nx A12. 834 did the last working of the 99.
One of Acocks Greens 83X batch travelling on the 58 extended route this morning with a number of drivers on board presumably route training.
Had a few of the high end 46xx fleet on the 11 today, including 4688 (new spot for me). I just want to point out that 4696 is no longer named. Saw her today.
2202, 2229, 2225, 2226, 2219 and 2203 all on the 58 this morning so I assume it is still interworking with the 31. All seem to be running on time.
6703 x12 now got the new improved next stop annocements
My 11A home today was 4567 and it seemed to have a seemingly major mechanical problem. I boarded it at Acocks Green and when the bus was pulling away, I heard a massive thud. I assumed it was a passenger who wanted to get on but I couldn't see anyone. As the bus progressed, it became apparent the "thud" was coming from underneath the vehicle. Whilst I know very little on bus mechanics, it sounded like something snapped off and kept hitting something. Sound was most pronounced during a turn.
Many passengers, myself included, were quite unnerved throughout the journey. I hope the bus made a safe journey and is promptly inspected.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on September 10, 2019, 01:15:27 AM
My 11A home today was 4567 and it seemed to have a seemingly major mechanical problem. I boarded it at Acocks Green and when the bus was pulling away, I heard a massive thud. I assumed it was a passenger who wanted to get on but I couldn't see anyone. As the bus progressed, it became apparent the "thud" was coming from underneath the vehicle. Whilst I know very little on bus mechanics, it sounded like something snapped off and kept hitting something. Sound was most pronounced during a turn.
Many passengers, myself included, were quite unnerved throughout the journey. I hope the bus made a safe journey and is promptly inspected.
Did you mean 4657? I get a similar experience on 4399, like something was hitting against the engine - like you, I have no idea about mechanics
I remember having a similar experience on a metrobus when the 169 existed (heartlands hospital - solihull), anyway there was a bit of rattling coming from the rear end as we pulled away from the land rover lights on lode lane which was a usual thing on a metro but as we got to about lode heath school there was a massive bang and the whole vehicle shook violently when the engine was idling, I think the driver did an engine mount that day
Quote from: Busboy105 on October 03, 2019, 08:41:50 AM
Not noteworthy, spare MMCs run on the 73 regularly.
I think a fair few on here would agree Platinum spec MMC's on the 5/73 are worth noting (of course what people find noteworthy is subjective).
Yeah, you're right. But the 5 will probably get Platinums in the future when the Volvos get withdrawn.
Untrapped 4295 & 4301 have both had a reprieve from withdrawal, both have just received a fresh MoT, 4295 until October 2020, 4301 until December 2020
Quote from: Tony on October 30, 2019, 08:58:49 AM
Untrapped 4295 & 4301 have both had a reprieve from withdrawal, both have just received a fresh MoT, 4295 until October 2020, 4301 until December 2020
Are those two still allocated to AG or RRR @ AG ?
4301 was on the 11C this afternoon. At Fox and Goose at 15:20.
Quote from: 2206 on October 18, 2019, 05:15:14 PM
6130 is currently parked up at Ward End, Fox and Goose outside the Tesco store entrance, due to burning and smoke coming from the engine while on the 11C at around 16:20. The driver was alerted to the burning by a passenger.
Caught 6115 in Ward End earlier this afternoon at about 13:15 on the 11C and smelt burning when I got on similar to last time when I was on 6130.
Got off at Fox and Goose outside Aldi, and noticed like 6130, 6115 was burning and had smoke coming from the back of the bus, near the rear wheels (possibly coming from the engine). The driver carried on in service, seemingly unaware there was something wrong with the bus.
Never seen it happen on any other vehicle type, only these 61XX E400 MMC.
6115 probably needs inspecting
@Tony, as the burning doesn't seem right.
Quote from: 2206 on November 02, 2019, 03:47:56 PM
Caught 6115 in Ward End earlier this afternoon at about 13:15 on the 11C and smelt burning when I got on similar to last time when I was on 6130.
Got off at Fox and Goose outside Aldi, and noticed like 6130, 6115 was burning and had smoke coming from the back of the bus, near the rear wheels (possibly coming from the engine). The driver carried on in service, seemingly unaware there was something wrong with the bus.
Never seen it happen on any other vehicle type, only these 61XX E400 MMC.
6115 probably needs inspecting @Tony, as the burning doesn't seem right.
Probably because they get hammered so much on the 11!!
Quote from: 2206 on November 02, 2019, 03:47:56 PM
Caught 6115 in Ward End earlier this afternoon at about 13:15 on the 11C and smelt burning when I got on similar to last time when I was on 6130.
Got off at Fox and Goose outside Aldi, and noticed like 6130, 6115 was burning and had smoke coming from the back of the bus, near the rear wheels (possibly coming from the engine). The driver carried on in service, seemingly unaware there was something wrong with the bus.
Never seen it happen on any other vehicle type, only these 61XX E400 MMC.
6115 probably needs inspecting @Tony, as the burning doesn't seem right.
Probably just water evaporating off the hot brakes
Quote from: John on November 02, 2019, 10:40:26 PM
Probably just water evaporating off the hot brakes
Would that cause the burning smell to fill the interior of the bus as well?
Certainly startled a few people on both occasions.
I've seen around 5 4/4As today, and they've all been Gemini operated, coincidence or has allocation changed with the lead up to Christmas?
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 17, 2019, 11:22:06 AM
I've seen around 5 4/4As today, and they've all been Gemini operated, coincidence or has allocation changed with the lead up to Christmas?
Could well be. 6701 was on there also
4532 on the 11. What a seriously crap Gemini. Lacked any acceleration and really really struggled up any incline. About as slow as discount darts up hills (the NK54) one
Is the 73 commercial or tendered?
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 21, 2019, 05:01:21 PM
Is the 73 commercial or tendered?
Commercial I believe. Why do you ask?
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/535862/
Quote from: Stu on December 21, 2019, 06:37:04 PM
Commercial I believe. Why do you ask?
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/535862/
Oh I just wanna know I guess.
4301 on 11C. Rare these days if seems
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 16, 2020, 01:03:56 PM
4301 on 11C. Rare these days if seems
I've seen her a few times on the route.
Quote from: darthdc on January 16, 2020, 03:29:58 PM
I've seen her a few times on the route.
It's the route it is on most, still being Euro 3 in theory it should always be allocated to the 1 or 11.
4280 is now at Graysons, and if all goes to plan will become the first Euro 6 B7TL/ALX400 in the UK.
Quote from: Tony on January 21, 2020, 07:35:48 PM
4280 is now at Graysons, and if all goes to plan will become the first Euro 6 B7TL/ALX400 in the UK.
Out of interest, what will they actually do to it to make it Euro 6?
Quote from: Jack on January 21, 2020, 08:06:37 PM
Out of interest, what will they actually do to it to make it Euro 6?
Fit a trap to the exhaust that collects all the particulates and Nitrous Oxide to make the exhaust cleaner than the current air in parts of the West Midlands, so actually improving air quality.
The older the bus, the harder this is obviously as Euro 3 emission rules are a lot more lax than Euro 6
Quote from: Tony on January 21, 2020, 07:35:48 PM
4280 is now at Graysons, and if all goes to plan will become the first Euro 6 B7TL/ALX400 in the UK.
How much it cost?
Quote from: Tony on January 21, 2020, 08:20:12 PM
Up to as much as £15,000
I thought it was already Euro 6 ? Or is it euro 5
Quote from: Jack6101 on January 21, 2020, 08:26:52 PM
I thought it was already Euro 6 ? Or is it euro 5
So those traps that were already fitted basically had no meaning?
Quote from: Jack on January 21, 2020, 09:27:20 PM
So those traps that were already fitted basically had no meaning?
IIRC - The company that fitted them lost its license/went bust, therefore, cutting a long story short those Tridents & B7TL's which were supposed to be Euro 6 are only actually Euro 5+ complaint & need further upgrades to meet Euro 6, Tony's confirmed this previously.
Quote from: Tony on January 21, 2020, 07:35:48 PM
4280 is now at Graysons, and if all goes to plan will become the first Euro 6 B7TL/ALX400 in the UK.
Absolutely love the roar on that bus. Only one in the AG fleet.
Quote from: Winston on January 21, 2020, 09:40:58 PM
IIRC - The company that fitted them lost its license/went bust, therefore, cutting a long story short those Tridents & B7TL's which were supposed to be Euro 6 are only actually Euro 5+ complaint & need further upgrades to meet Euro 6, Tony's confirmed this previously.
So will these Tridents and B7TL's be Euro 6 fitted or will they be withdrawn and replaced by newer buses?
Quote from: Busboy105 on January 21, 2020, 11:48:01 PM
Absolutely love the roar on that bus. Only one in the AG fleet.
Since when did 4280 roar? The only one that has a 'roar' is 4284, every time when it accelerates. 4278 has a loud howl too.
Quote from: Jack on January 22, 2020, 11:09:58 AM
Since when did 4280 roar? The only one that has a 'roar' is 4284, every time when it accelerates. 4278 has a loud howl too.
4284 was the best of our native batch at Perry Barr. Went like the clappers
6710 still has old price sticker on cab door
Quote from: Jack on January 22, 2020, 11:09:58 AM
Since when did 4280 roar? The only one that has a 'roar' is 4284, every time when it accelerates. 4278 has a loud howl too.
I don't know how long it's had it but it's got it now.
Quote from: Busboy105 on January 22, 2020, 05:52:55 PM
I don't know how long it's had it but it's got it now.
4284 has had its roar for years, and 4278 had its howl in PB days. The only other one that stood out was 4279, this sounded knackered but is a real beast, it has a loud howl too.
Quote from: Tony on January 21, 2020, 07:35:48 PM
4280 is now at Graysons, and if all goes to plan will become the first Euro 6 B7TL/ALX400 in the UK.
It's back now, on the 5/73 today.
Quote from: Jack on January 25, 2020, 11:42:38 AM
It's back now, on the 5/73 today.
Seen it on the 73. Still has it's magnificent roar.
@Busboy105 It will become a lot more common to see E400MMC's on routes that had 4687-4696 operating. So the 1/1A, 4/4A and 72 etc, that was the whole point of them transferring to be used on routes that already had them being used on as well as the usual appearances on the 11 and 5/73.
Quote from: Jack on February 03, 2020, 08:34:16 PM
@Busboy105
It will become a lot more common to see E400MMC's on routes that had 4687-4696 operating. So the 1/1A, 4/4A and 72 etc, that was the whole point of them transferring to be used on routes that already had them being used on as well as the usual appearances on the 11 and 5/73.
Not at all
The point of the swap is to get the Outer Circle as close to 100% MMC as possible.
They do have to cover the 5/73 as Geminis cannot cover for the ALX400s
Quote from: Tony on February 03, 2020, 08:43:32 PM
They do have to cover the 5/73 as Geminis cannot cover for the ALX400s
Why?
Quote from: mesub on February 03, 2020, 09:10:41 PM
Why?
Height restrictions on the 5 route, Geminis are too tall. It's been said on here before.
Quote from: MasterPlan on February 03, 2020, 09:29:52 PM
Height restrictions on the 5 route, Geminis are too tall. It's been said on here before.
But the 5 used them before. Is it because of the new route that the 5 takes between Birmingham and Hall Green (Sarehole Mill)?
Quote from: Busboy105 on February 03, 2020, 09:44:42 PM
But the 5 used them before. Is it because of the new route that the 5 takes between Birmingham and Hall Green (Sarehole Mill)?
Doesn't matter that they used to be used there is a compulsory 14'3" height restriction on Robin Hood Lane bridge and even though they physically fit driver any vehicle under that bridge that is certified at 14'4" or taller can result in prosecution
Quote from: Tony on February 03, 2020, 09:50:09 PM
Doesn't matter that they used to be used there is a compulsory 14'3" height restriction on Robin Hood Lane bridge and even though they physically fit driver any vehicle under that bridge that is certified at 14'4" or taller can result in prosecution
Is that a new rule or was that always there?
Quote from: Busboy105 on February 03, 2020, 09:59:09 PM
Is that a new rule or was that always there?
July 2018. The signs were changed and the 5 went past Yardley Wood station until they transferred over.
Rumour is the 11a/c will be moving to Perry Barr once the new garage is built! Any truth in this ?
6102 on the 1A if anyone is interested.
Quote from: Nxwm on February 12, 2020, 12:15:18 PM
Rumour is the 11a/c will be moving to Perry Barr once the new garage is built! Any truth in this ?
First time I've heard of that.
Quote from: Nxwm on February 12, 2020, 12:15:18 PM
Rumour is the 11a/c will be moving to Perry Barr once the new garage is built! Any truth in this ?
Another 50 buses in that small space
Quote from: Tony on February 12, 2020, 02:05:22 PM
Another 50 buses in that small space
What if half of the 11 allocation went to PB and the rest stays at AG? Could help with the reliability a little bit considering that it stops pretty close to both garages.
Quote from: Busboy105 on February 12, 2020, 04:11:59 PM
What if half of the 11 allocation went to PB and the rest stays at AG? Could help with the reliability a little bit considering that it stops pretty close to both garages.
It used to be split between PB and AG. It still got caught up traffic, buses still bunch together. Wouldn't make any difference.
It's actually easier from one depot. 11 has it's own 'AVL' and a dedicated inspector based at AG who tracks and monitors all the buses and then can radio/adjust them if there's any delays.
Buses will still have to be adjusted due to traffic regardless of how many depots operate the service.
If there's a hold up in Handsworth for example on the 11A, AVL might adjust a bus to terminate at Perry Barr for example, run dead to Winston Green avoiding Handsworth and pick up service again to ensure at least some sort of service is delivered rather than nothing continuing beyond Handsworth.
There's also cases where 11C's would be turned around just before Handsworth and become 11A's.
All dependant on how many passengers are on board and whether they have be transferred to another vehicle, as typically in these cases there's a convoy of 11s.
Having two or more depots doesn't make a different in these cases.
Quote from: Gareth on February 12, 2020, 04:24:20 PM
It used to be split between PB and AG. It still got caught up traffic, buses still bunch together. Wouldn't make any difference.
It used to be that 11A was one garage and 11C the other - cannot remember which way round.
Quote from: busfan2847 on February 12, 2020, 05:43:10 PM
It used to be that 11A was one garage and 11C the other - cannot remember which way round.
11A - AG
11C - PB
Quote from: Nxwm on February 12, 2020, 12:15:18 PM
Rumour is the 11a/c will be moving to Perry Barr once the new garage is built! Any truth in this ?
Depends on where you got that rumour from!
Quote from: Nxwm on February 12, 2020, 12:15:18 PM
Rumour is the 11a/c will be moving to Perry Barr once the new garage is built! Any truth in this ?
That's not the rumour I heard, I heard the 11C would come back to PB, can't see it happening myself tho
The rumour of Perry Barr getting the 11, or parts of it, has probably been around since 2005. It was certainly around 5 years ago when I used to drive the 11.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 13, 2020, 08:50:03 AM
4655-76 never seen a Gemini on this before
@Trident 4194 if you take the time to actually look at the Usual Allocations listings, you'll see AG Gemini listed under 'Also commonly used', as they operate one journey on the 76.
Reminder:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=4016.0
Also at https://westmidlandsbususers.co.uk/nx-bus-usual-allocations/
B7TL ALX400 on the 11A today. Whichever one it is it has an overall advert for
Greatest Hits Radio and was at Ward End at 13:00.
Possibly the oldest bus in service in the West Midlands today, since its Sunday.
Quote from: 2206 on February 16, 2020, 01:56:03 PM
B7TL ALX400 on the 11A today. Whichever one it is it has an overall advert for
Greatest Hits Radio and was at Ward End at 13:00.
Possibly the oldest bus in service in the West Midlands today, since its Sunday.
42821 I think saw it yesterday by Hodge Hill Tesco's on the 11C about 11:30ish
@2206
Quote from: Squiz1971 on February 16, 2020, 02:09:22 PM
42821 I think saw it yesterday by Hodge Hill Tesco's on the 11C about 11:30ish @2206
Think a few of them have the Greatest Hits Radio ad, not just 4282
@Squiz1971. 4288 and 4286 do as well I believe.
Quote from: 2206 on February 16, 2020, 01:56:03 PM
B7TL ALX400 on the 11A today. Whichever one it is it has an overall advert for
Greatest Hits Radio and was at Ward End at 13:00.
Possibly the oldest bus in service in the West Midlands today, since its Sunday.
4244 was out yesterday, on the 12E/13/13As
I'm guessing it's fake news but just wanted to ask if anyone knows anything , but are the YW 75** , going to Acocks green now , instead of BC and x1/2 going Acocks green and x12 to BC ?
Quote from: Jack6101 on April 30, 2020, 12:35:08 AM
I'm guessing it's fake news but just wanted to ask if anyone knows anything , but are the YW 75** , going to Acocks green now , instead of BC and x1/2 going Acocks green and x12 to BC ?
What service would the YW platinums go on if they went to AG?
Them going to BC makes more sense. The Platinums go on the 45/47 and the E400s that the 45/47 used to use will go on either the 14 or the 97. (Most likely the 14 as the none of the 97 branded buses have been debranded yet.)
Quote from: Busboy105 on April 30, 2020, 05:07:21 AM
What service would the YW platinums go on if they went to AG?
Them going to BC makes more sense. The Platinums go on the 45/47 and the E400s that the 45/47 used to use will go on either the 14 or the 97. (Most likely the 14 as the none of the 97 branded buses have been debranded yet.)
yes I think the 14 as even before the lockdown a lot of E400 have been appearing
Also after checking there is 20 branded for the 97 and for pershore road I think it was 19 so that's one less branded bus so there could be a chance they get put on the 97
Quote from: Jack6101 on April 30, 2020, 12:35:08 AM
I'm guessing it's fake news but just wanted to ask if anyone knows anything , but are the YW 75** , going to Acocks green now , instead of BC and x1/2 going Acocks green and x12 to BC ?
What is the PVR of the X1/X2 and PVR of the X12?
Presumably the X1/X2 PVR is higher, but by how much I wander? Therefore if that did ever happen I wander if AG would lose another route as well as the X12?
Although the principal Brum to Solihull route is the 37 and you would think deserved Platinum.
Quote from: Stevo on April 30, 2020, 09:22:56 AM
Although the principal Brum to Solihull route is the 37 and you would think deserved Platinum.
Could equally say the X2 is the principal Birmingham to Solihull route. As think its fastest. And that ones already platinum.
Don't think every route can have brand new platinums. Its been the 4/4A now for 2 years. I doubt the 4/4A would get an upgrade any time soon, due to the fact there probably wouldn't be anywhere else for the E200 MMC to go. As NX already have a surplus of single deckers and no need for any more.
They could move the E200MMC upto Dundee in a swap
Quote from: Solo1 on April 30, 2020, 09:29:05 AM
They could move the E200MMC upto Dundee in a swap
20+ buses, in a swap for what?
And why do Dundee need another 20+ single deckers?
So what does the future hold for these 'surplus' single deckers?
Quote from: RW on April 30, 2020, 10:14:45 AM
So what does the future hold for these 'surplus' single deckers?
The single deckers aren't actually surplus, it's just getting more difficult to find new homes for them when they're available for cascade.
A number of single deckers have been absorbed by NX winning various TfWM tenders of late.
As for Dundee, I assume they're also in the same boat i.e. they need to keep the proportion of double deckers as they are or increase.
Coming out the other side of all this may re-shape things going forward, who knows at present.
Quote from: SK68MEV on April 30, 2020, 06:57:14 AM
yes I think the 14 as even before the lockdown a lot of E400 have been appearing
Also after checking there is 20 branded for the 97 and for pershore road I think it was 19 so that's one less branded bus so there could be a chance they get put on the 97
If the 97 gets the E400s, where do it's tridents go?
Quote from: Busboy105 on April 30, 2020, 02:12:33 PM
If the 97 gets the E400s, where do it's tridents go?
Scrapped i'd presume as they're 17 years old.
Quote from: NXWMFAN1105 on April 30, 2020, 02:28:10 PM
Scrapped i'd presume as they're 17 years old.
When they've already been upgraded with Euro 6 exhaust systems - unlikely.
Quote from: Busboy105 on April 30, 2020, 02:12:33 PM
If the 97 gets the E400s, where do it's tridents go?
I'd say if 97 were to get E400s the tridents would transfer to WN to get replace the 43** Tridents as there is 23/24 43**s at WN and there are 27 44**s at BC
Quote from: NXWMFAN1105 on April 30, 2020, 02:28:10 PM
Scrapped i'd presume as they're 17 years old.
There are even older, untrapped 43**'s still in service at various depots. I don't really like to post thoughts/predictions nowadays to save being slated, but assuming the 44**'s will get the Graysons treatment to certify them Euro 6, they will be (or at least would've been the plan before the COVID 19 crisis) retained as part of the cascade plan to help remove the older Tridents & or ALX400 bodied B7TL's that are unlikely to be upgraded to Euro 6.
Quote from: Winston on April 30, 2020, 02:33:46 PM
When they've already been upgraded with Euro 6 exhaust systems - unlikely.
To Wolverhampton to kill off some of the older tridents :) the 43**?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on April 30, 2020, 04:24:35 PM
To Wolverhampton to kill off some of the older tridents :) the 43**?
Stands a good chance or NXC to allow untrapped Tridents / B7TL / ALX to be withdrawn.
Isn't Wolves going Euro 5 minimum soon anyway as part of the Advanced Quality Partnership
Quote from: Busboy105 on April 30, 2020, 02:12:33 PM
If the 97 gets the E400s, where do it's tridents go?
I would have thought it more likely the E400s from 45/7 would go to Wolverhampton as part of the electric platinum/YW route 6 Platinum cascade - who knows when that will happen - both the lockdown and the fact the Mayor wanted a lunch party/publicity stunt for the electrics as well (presumably they're SORNd anyway). The CV ones, when they eventually arrive, will presumably replace 43/44xx Tridents.
The 44xx Pensnett/BC Tridents hadn't been 'rectified' to proper Euro 6 standard (only some of the Tridents in the 4535-4634 range had been dealt with last time we had a 'Vehicles away from Home Garage update'). The 44xx will be 18 years old next year and due for withdrawal.
The other point of interest is the reserve B7RLEs at Dundee - tantalisingly Tony mentioned there was to be a use for these, then in another thread mentioned retrofitting buses as electrics as part of the NX forward vision for electric vehicles, and mentioned, I think, a B7RLE as an example - maybe I'm putting 2 and 2 together and making a dozen B7RLEs - or maybe they're just going to become trainers!!
Fun to speculate! However until the outcome of Covid (and then a no deal Brexit - remember that old chestnut 😐) in terms of the economy and people's travel patterns are known I guess we won't have a clue!!
Quote from: don on May 01, 2020, 12:29:56 AM
I would have thought it more likely the E400s from 45/7 would go to Wolverhampton as part of the electric platinum/YW route 6 Platinum cascade - who knows when that will happen - both the lockdown and the fact the Mayor wanted a lunch party/publicity stunt for the electrics as well (presumably they're SORNd anyway). The CV ones, when they eventually arrive, will presumably replace 43/44xx Tridents.
Were any of the electrics taxed when they arrived? Depending on how long things go on for, could they, in theory enter service as 70 plated vehicles?
Quote from: don on May 01, 2020, 12:29:56 AM
The 44xx Pensnett/BC Tridents hadn't been 'rectified' to proper Euro 6 standard (only some of the Tridents in the 4535-4634 range had been dealt with last time we had a 'Vehicles away from Home Garage update'). The 44xx will be 18 years old next year and due for withdrawal.
Have the AG 42XX B7TL been rectified to proper Euro 6 standards?
Quote from: Winston on April 30, 2020, 05:40:51 PM
Stands a good chance or NXC to allow untrapped Tridents / B7TL / ALX to be withdrawn.
And if any Crimsom Tridents were ever displaced. Would it be more likely they'd be moved to YW, displacing red and white ones to CV.
Quote from: 2206 on May 01, 2020, 09:16:27 AM
Have the AG 42XX B7TL been rectified to proper Euro 6 standards? And if any Crimsom Tridents were ever displaced. Would it be more likely they'd be moved to YW, displacing red and white ones to CV.
There is no big cascade happening, and as I put on the BC thread, their fleet is not changing
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2020, 09:52:04 AM
There is no big cascade happening, and as I put on the BC thread, their fleet is not changing
Sorry - I didn't notice that item. There must be some vehicle replacement resulting from the YW electrics when they eventually enter service? Maybe 45xx Tridents back to Wolverhampton then?
I'd imagined the 10 extra MMC from PN now at AG would replace B7TLs.
Quote from: Tony on May 01, 2020, 09:52:04 AM
There is no big cascade happening, and as I put on the BC thread, their fleet is not changing
Thanks for confirming.
Quote from: don on May 01, 2020, 10:19:10 AM
Sorry - I didn't notice that item. There must be some vehicle replacement resulting from the YW electrics when they eventually enter service? Maybe 45xx Tridents back to Wolverhampton then?
I'd imagined the 10 extra MMC from PN now at AG would replace B7TLs.
The 10 MMC at AG replaced 4687 - 4696 which left to WB.
So what route will be going Platinum then if there's not going to be a big cascade? The 49 maybe?
Current operational fleet
2201
2202
2211
2212
2213
2215
6102
6103
6104
6105
6107
6110
6112
6113
6114
6115
6116
6117
6118
6119
6120
6121
6122
6123
6125
6126
6127
6128
6130
6131
6133
6134
6137
6138
6140
6141
6143
6144
6145
6147
6701
6702
6704
6708
6710
Geminis back out in service today, including on on the 11 for 2206 to watch out for.
4301 the oldest bus in service anywhere today and the first B7/ALX400 back into service
I have put a video on Youtube I filmed 33 years ago of the driver's eye view of the 37 (now 4) route. Bits of this have been on there before but this is the first time I have put the whole route on including the city centre
https://youtu.be/BQvsKe-bzio
I strangely miss the whole concrete monstrosity that the City Centre used to be. I know it is more opened up now and more aesthetically pleasing, but man the simpleness of not stopping at multiple sets of traffic lights on Moor Street Queensway.
Quote from: Tony on May 24, 2020, 08:38:08 AM
I have put a video on Youtube I filmed 33 years ago of the driver's eye view of the 37 (now 4) route. Bits of this have been on there before but this is the first time I have put the whole route on including the city centre
Thanks for that, great bit of nostalgia!
20 minutes to Olton - those were the days!
Quote from: Stevo on May 24, 2020, 10:18:41 AM
20 minutes to Olton - those were the days!
I had to film it in the evening when the running time to Solihull was 27 minutes because the tapes in the video only lasted 30 minutes!
4657 on 4 today. One of its drive belts is slipping, screeching away when the engine is revved up.
Notice the x12's are going direct via Bromford Road today.
What is thinking behind 3225 being shown as previous owner Birmingham, 9/17 in the new G-list?
Quote from: mikestone on May 28, 2020, 07:03:49 PM
What is thinking behind 3225 being shown as previous owner Birmingham, 9/17 in the new G-list?
No idea. The compiler has changed so much from the original file and as sub-editor I don't get enough time to check all the minute detail like that, I should only need to check stuff that has changed from the last edition. Same as the registrations of 1788-1809 are incorrect, but were correct in the last edition
Has the 73 got a frequency increase post-lockdown? Seen 6107 and an UID X12 branded platinum
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 04, 2020, 06:14:40 PM
Has the 73 got a frequency increase post-lockdown? Seen 6107 and an UID X12 branded platinum
Post lockdown? As far as I'm aware we are still in a lockdown
Quote from: Busboy105 on June 04, 2020, 06:14:40 PM
Has the 73 got a frequency increase post-lockdown? Seen 6107 and an UID X12 branded platinum
I know the 5 has increased to half-hourly, so I guess the 73 has as well, if the two services are still interworking.
Quote from: John on June 04, 2020, 06:19:46 PM
Post lockdown? As far as I'm aware we are still in a lockdown
I meant in timetable changes
Looks like the Volvos are back on the 73. Seen 4276 on it today.
Can anyone tell me whether 4281 and 4283 have been out lately please? I haven't seen either since well before March.
There have been a few of the older buses on the 11 lately, but didn't catch any of the numbers. The route passes our house.
4281 was on the 4 one day this week, not seen 83.
Quote from: V89MOA on July 12, 2020, 12:16:05 PM
4281 was on the 4 one day this week, not seen 83.
Much obliged
@V89MOA. Thanks for letting me know. Funnily enough I saw 4283 on the 31 today!
7515 & 17 both seen this morning on the x12
Looks like the 73 is all Platinum today. Seen 6837, 7521 and 7533 on it today.
Quote from: Busboy105 on July 13, 2020, 01:28:52 PM
Looks like the 73 is all Platinum today. Seen 6837, 7521 and 7533 on it today.
6837? That's on the X21
There were a few platinums on the 11 yesterday - looked like those on loan from YW
Quote from: darthdc on July 13, 2020, 01:52:15 PM
There were a few platinums on the 11 yesterday - looked like those on loan from YW
I saw 7520 on the 11C yesterday.
7520 and the other 75XX are transfers, not on loan.
Quote from: Tony on July 13, 2020, 01:32:43 PM
6837? That's on the X21
Really? Well it was 68-something.
Quote from: Busboy105 on July 13, 2020, 03:15:16 PM
Really? Well it was 68-something.
AG dont have 68** Platinums they have 67**'s and 75**'s
Quote from: Busboy105 on July 13, 2020, 03:15:16 PM
Really? Well it was 68-something.
If you saw a 68xx it must have been on the X2. All the buses on the 5 & 73 are 75xx except for 4289, 6701 & 6702
Quote from: darthdc on July 13, 2020, 01:52:15 PM
There were a few platinums on the 11 yesterday - looked like those on loan from YW
there are none on loan they have been transferred
Quote from: 2206 on July 16, 2020, 05:27:15 PM
Today 2210, 2217 and 2219 are all on 11E duplicates between Acocks Green and Erdington via Ward End.
7536 and another 75XX (Possibly 7528) are both on full 11A trips.
Every type currently operating at AG on the 11 today.
2210, 2217, 2219, 7528, 7536, 4289, 4532 and the usual 61XX.
Quote from: Tony on July 16, 2020, 05:29:34 PM
All of AG's Dynamic spares are allocated as E200MMC, so these are booked type and note Noteworthy in regards to this thread. This is so all available double decks can be allocated to normal service.
Edit - Thanks for confirming this.
Is this rumoured 6A route that's set to come into play soon anything like the one that was withdrawn previously in the South Birmingham Consultation?
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/south-birmingham-service-changes/services-5-6-6a
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 04, 2020, 08:35:56 PM
Is this rumoured 6A route that's set to come into play soon anything like the one that was withdrawn previously in the South Birmingham Consultation?
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/south-birmingham-service-changes/services-5-6-6a
I've heard (not confirmed) that the 5 will go via Stratford Road to Hall Green College, then Cole Bank Road, Sarehole Road, then as normal until Shirley, then as 6 to Solihull, the 6 will have no change of route and the new 6A will run as 6 to Marshall Lake Road, then as the present 5 to Solihull. A 5 minute frequency between City and Hall Green College (5, 6, 6A). With the 5 re-routed away from Showell Green Lane I would expect the 2 to revert back to its old route. BUT as I stated at the beginning this is not confirmed.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 05, 2020, 11:12:43 AM
I've heard (not confirmed) that the 5 will go via Stratford Road to Hall Green College, then Cole Bank Road, Sarehole Road, then as normal until Shirley, then as 6 to Solihull, the 6 will have no change of route and the new 6A will run as 6 to Marshall Lake Road, then as the present 5 to Solihull. A 5 minute frequency between City and Hall Green College (5, 6, 6A). With the 5 re-routed away from Showell Green Lane I would expect the 2 to revert back to its old route. BUT as I stated at the beginning this is not confirmed.
If that was to happen, it would leave a portion of Wake Green Road without a link to City Centre.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 05, 2020, 11:12:43 AM
I've heard (not confirmed) that the 5 will go via Stratford Road to Hall Green College, then Cole Bank Road, Sarehole Road, then as normal until Shirley, then as 6 to Solihull, the 6 will have no change of route and the new 6A will run as 6 to Marshall Lake Road, then as the present 5 to Solihull. A 5 minute frequency between City and Hall Green College (5, 6, 6A). With the 5 re-routed away from Showell Green Lane I would expect the 2 to revert back to its old route. BUT as I stated at the beginning this is not confirmed.
Seems relatively logical to me, not convinced Showell Green Lane would miss a bus route, plenty of city services a short walk away on Yardley Wood Road or Stratford Road. Amending where the 36 terminates to a small loop of the area instead of cutting across to the Warwick Road could cover that and Wake Green Road if needed
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 05, 2020, 12:01:21 PM
If that was to happen, it would leave a portion of Wake Green Road without a link to City Centre.
Well, it'd leave
all of Wake Green Road without a service to the City Centre as the 1 only goes to Five Ways, and the 1A goes to QE Hospital.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 05, 2020, 11:12:43 AM
I've heard (not confirmed) that the 5 will go via Stratford Road to Hall Green College, then Cole Bank Road, Sarehole Road, then as normal until Shirley, then as 6 to Solihull, the 6 will have no change of route and the new 6A will run as 6 to Marshall Lake Road, then as the present 5 to Solihull. A 5 minute frequency between City and Hall Green College (5, 6, 6A). With the 5 re-routed away from Showell Green Lane I would expect the 2 to revert back to its old route. BUT as I stated at the beginning this is not confirmed.
I'm a bit confused there as I don't know the area that well, but why does the 5 need to change? Can't the 6A do what is proposed for the new 5 route?
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 05, 2020, 04:01:33 PM
I'm a bit confused there as I don't know the area that well, but why does the 5 need to change? Can't the 6A do what is proposed for the new 5 route?
Don't understand your question about 6A doing whats proposed for the new 5 route. 6A can't run into Solihull along both Marshall Lake Road/Blossomfield Road and through Monkspsath.
They're probably changing it go give the Hall Green area of the 5 a more direct link to Solihull and Monskpath area of the 5 a more direct link to Birmingham City Centre on the 6A. As well as running an increased frequency through Springfield, etc.
Or if you are suggesting sending 6A along the 5 route through Hall Green, that section probably doesn't need its frequency doubled either.
Quote from: ellspurs on August 05, 2020, 02:49:43 PM
Well, it'd leave all of Wake Green Road without a service to the City Centre as the 1 only goes to Five Ways, and the 1A goes to QE Hospital.
It's probably for the best. I've never seen anyone board the 1/1A/5 whenever I go on them routes anyway.
Will the 6 and 6A be operated by electrics from YW and the 5 operated by platinums from AG? Or will it work in a different way.
Quote from: bususer28 on August 05, 2020, 05:14:02 PM
Will the 6 and 6A be operated by electrics from YW and the 5 operated by platinums from AG? Or will it work in a different way.
Yes the 6 is using electrics and the 5 is currently using Platinums. I don't know what the 6A will use. I don't think the current electrics for the 6 will be enough for both unless the 6 and 6A run to a combined frequency.
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 05, 2020, 05:22:33 PM
Yes the 6 is using electrics and the 5 is currently using Platinums. I don't know what the 6A will use. I don't think the current electrics for the 6 will be enough for both unless the 6 and 6A run to a combined frequency.
So far the highest numbered one at AG is 7536. 7515- 7536 or 7515 - 7538, if they all go seems a lot for just the 5.
So presumably both the 5 & 6A will use AG Platinums.
7536 is only a loan they were expecting 14 for the 5 7515-17 from BC & 7518-7528 from AG
Quote from: bususer28 on August 05, 2020, 05:14:02 PM
Will the 6 and 6A be operated by electrics from YW and the 5 operated by platinums from AG? Or will it work in a different way.
When are these changes supposed to come into effect? Are they already in operation?
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 05, 2020, 12:01:21 PM
If that was to happen, it would leave a portion of Wake Green Road without a link to City Centre.
Quote from: ellspurs on August 05, 2020, 02:49:43 PM
Well, it'd leave all of Wake Green Road without a service to the City Centre as the 1 only goes to Five Ways, and the 1A goes to QE Hospital.
The 1 and 1A cross several main roads providing multiple connections to frequent services for the city centre.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on August 05, 2020, 06:13:09 PM
When are these changes supposed to come into effect? Are they already in operation?
Nothing has been announced yet officially. I have heard that something was in the pipeline, I would have expected it to happen in September.
Quote from: Stu on August 05, 2020, 06:13:53 PM
The 1 and 1A cross several main roads providing multiple connections to frequent services for the city centre.
Fully understood, Stu. I assumed that they meant it as a direct link to the City Centre.
I've been stuck behind enough 1/1As on Wake Green Road to know they do pick up passengers along there. They also help me to escape from St Mary's Row by blocking the traffic for me as well.
Quote from: Stu on August 05, 2020, 06:15:17 PM
Nothing has been announced yet officially. I have heard that something was in the pipeline, I would have expected it to happen in September.
Your probably right
@Stu it will be September after the Schools go back, and when TfWM are looking at all 1,000 timetables, including at stop.
Quote from: Stu on August 05, 2020, 06:13:53 PM
The 1 and 1A cross several main roads providing multiple connections to frequent services for the city centre.
Yes that's true. But I don't understand why the 1 just doesn't go into the City Centre. Maybe there's some passengers that don't want to get off at Five Ways and wait for the 23/24/25.
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 05, 2020, 08:55:04 PM
Yes that's true. But I don't understand why the 1 just doesn't go into the City Centre. Maybe there's some passengers that don't want to get off at Five Ways and wait for the 23/24/25.
Reliability, the 1 gets held in Hall Green, Moseley and on it's way to Five Ways. This is why it was cut back, extending it back to the City would ruin it.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 05, 2020, 09:03:27 PM
Reliability, the 1 gets held in Hall Green, Moseley and on it's way to Five Ways. This is why it was cut back, extending it back to the City would ruin it.
And lots of the places it serves already have a link to the City Centre. X20/X21/X22, 35, 2/3, 6, 4/4A, 45/47, 23/24, etc, are all high frequency routes that the 1 crosses. So maybe not much demand either.
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 05, 2020, 08:55:04 PM
Maybe there's some passengers that don't want to get off at Five Ways and wait for the 23/24/25.
Well you won't be able to get off at Five Ways Morrisons and be able to get on the 25 as it doesn't even stop there or serve Harborne Road. As that uses Chad Road to access Ladywood inbound and stops on the other side of Five Ways, on the ring road. Outbound it doesn't even serve Five Ways and runs via Spring Hill.
The 25 does serve the Harborne Road, just not that part of it (for some reason).
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 05, 2020, 10:08:36 PM
The 25 does serve the Harborne Road, juat not that part of it (for some reason).
Yes, meant the one way part through Edgbaston.
If it did serve that part of Harborne Road it would have to go back on itself up the Hagley Road afterwards to get to Ladywood. So would probably take longer and mean they couldn't operate it with just the 1 bus. So probably makes sense I think.
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 05, 2020, 08:55:04 PM
Yes that's true. But I don't understand why the 1 just doesn't go into the City Centre. Maybe there's some passengers that don't want to get off at Five Ways and wait for the 23/24/25.
It doesn't need to, it's not that kind of route
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 05, 2020, 08:55:04 PM
Yes that's true. But I don't understand why the 1 just doesn't go into the City Centre. Maybe there's some passengers that don't want to get off at Five Ways and wait for the 23/24/25.
Maybe once they've finished the metro works and Broad Street is reserved for buses, they can extend it to the library or Colmore Row like it used to do a couple of years back considering Paradise Circus is shut for now.
Quote from: 2206 on August 05, 2020, 09:55:34 PM
And lots of the places it serves already have a link to the City Centre. X20/X21/X22, 35, 2/3, 6, 4/4A, 45/47, 23/24, etc, are all high frequency routes that the 1 crosses. So maybe not much demand either.
I've never really seen the point in the 1. As you say, it doesn't really go anywhere that isn't served by a frequent service to the City Centre anyway. And who would want to go to Five Ways when you can just get a bus right into the City Centre?
Quote from: Pat on August 06, 2020, 11:55:03 AM
I've never really seen the point in the 1. As you say, it doesn't really go anywhere that isn't served by a frequent service to the City Centre anyway. And who would want to go to Five Ways when you can just get a bus right into the City Centre?
All the people that work in the offices at Five Ways? All the kids at the schools between FiveWays and Bristol Road?
Quote from: Tony on August 06, 2020, 12:19:27 PM
All the people that work in the offices at Five Ways? All the kids at the schools between FiveWays and Bristol Road?
What are the loadings like on the 1?
Quote from: Pat on August 06, 2020, 11:55:03 AM
I've never really seen the point in the 1. As you say, it doesn't really go anywhere that isn't served by a frequent service to the City Centre anyway. And who would want to go to Five Ways when you can just get a bus right into the City Centre?
You're working on the assumption that everyone in south Birmingham wants to travel into the city centre.
For those that do, the 1 has always provided a useful 'radial' link, connecting passengers 'inbetween' main trunk roads to frequent city-bound services. I doubt someone on Shaftmoor Lane would use the 1 all the way to Five Ways to then change onto a 23 or 24 to get to city centre.
When I lived in Acocks Green, I regularly used the 1 to connect with Hagley Road services heading away from city, in order to avoid travelling into the city centre.
Quote from: Stu on August 06, 2020, 12:38:42 PM
You're working on the assumption that everyone in south Birmingham wants to travel into the city centre.
For those that do, the 1 has always provided a useful 'radial' link, connecting passengers 'inbetween' main trunk roads to frequent city-bound services. I doubt someone on Shaftmoor Lane would use the 1 all the way to Five Ways to then change onto a 23 or 24 to get to city centre.
When I lived in Acocks Green, I regularly used the 1 to connect with Hagley Road services heading away from city, in order to avoid travelling into the city centre.
Yes, I suppose not everyone wants to travel into the City Centre. But a large number/majority of passengers would be.
Quote from: Pat on August 06, 2020, 12:49:49 PM
Yes, I suppose not everyone wants to travel into the City Centre. But a large number/majority of passengers would be.
Not everyone wants to go to City Centre.
That's why there's busy routes that don't go to City Centre such as 11 and 28.
Also even at the moment with a lot of office workers working from home and schools closed, when I saw 2222 arriving at Five Ways Morrisons the other week it seemed to have a fair number alighting from it (maybe 10 - 15).
Quote from: 2206 on August 06, 2020, 12:51:40 PM
Not everyone wants to go to City Centre.
That's why there's busy routes that don't go to City Centre such as 11 and 28.
I was referring to routes that actually go to the City Centre.
Quote from: Pat on August 06, 2020, 12:23:39 PM
What are the loadings like on the 1?
During the peaks they can get very busy. Between Edgbaston & Moseley can see standing loads during the PM peak.
It generally is busy during the peaks. Off peaks appears to tick over. Off peak frequency is 50% of peak frequency.
Quote from: MW on August 06, 2020, 12:55:39 PM
During the peaks they can get very busy. Between Edgbaston & Moseley can see standing loads during the PM peak.
It generally is busy during the peaks. Off peaks appears to tick over. Off peak frequency is 50% of peak frequency.
Oh right. Didn't think it was that busy.
Quote from: MW on August 06, 2020, 12:55:39 PM
It generally is busy during the peaks. Off peaks appears to tick over. Off peak frequency is 50% of peak frequency.
Used to double in frequency from every 20 to every 10 at peak times. Though I think that changed a little when the 1A was introduced to QE Hosp & B'ham Uni.
Quote from: Pat on August 06, 2020, 01:04:27 PM
Every 30 each, combining to every 15 between Acocks Green and Bristol Road.
Sept 2019 timetable shows extras to Five Ways in the peaks paticularly around school times. Pershore Road - Acocks Green seems to run at roughly every 10 minute frequency throughout most of the day these days.
I don't know what timetable you are looking at
@Pat, but that's probably a reduced COVID Timetable.
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/current_timetables/2019-Timetables/1st-Sept-2019/B001_01Sep191.pdf
Quote from: 2206 on August 06, 2020, 12:59:50 PM
Is that still the case, I though that changed when the 1A to QE Hosp & B'ham Uni was introduced.
I thought it runs at a 10 minute frequency throughout the day combined now. Every 20 each?
Every 30 each, combining to every 15 between Acocks Green and Bristol Road.
Quote from: Pat on August 06, 2020, 12:57:55 PM
Oh right. Didn't think it was that busy.
Have you ever used this service during the peaks?
Quote from: MW on August 06, 2020, 01:06:11 PM
Have you ever used this service during the peaks?
No. Just didn't think it got as busy as 'full and standing'.
Quote from: Pat on August 06, 2020, 01:16:35 PM
No. Just didn't think it got as busy as 'full and standing'.
I've driven this service and had full loads at peaks.
For me personally, this is a useful service too. I've used it before between Acocks Green & Moseley, and to Five Ways, and to the old Library on Broad Street.
It would be better I think if it still served the Town Hall but obviously roads have changed on that side of the City Centre.
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 05, 2020, 08:55:04 PM
Yes that's true. But I don't understand why the 1 just doesn't go into the City Centre. Maybe there's some passengers that don't want to get off at Five Ways and wait for the 23/24/25.
The 1 used to terminate at the Town Hall before all of the recent changes. I am unsure if there was a specific reason for it not going into the City Centre.
Quote from: ellspurs on August 06, 2020, 03:31:14 PM
The 1 used to terminate at the Town Hall before all of the recent changes. I am unsure if there was a specific reason for it not going into the City Centre.
Well it's been shortened on both ends over the years, as until the most recent changes it went to Gospel Oak (now only as far as Acocks Green).
Quote from: MasterPlan on August 06, 2020, 03:59:01 PM
Well it's been shortened on both ends over the years, as until the most recent changes it went to Gospel Oak (now only as far as Acocks Green).
Shortened back to its original terminus at Acocks Green. Orriginal route was Town Hall to Acocks Green, before it was extended to replace the YW 3 in 2014.
Quote from: 2206 on August 06, 2020, 04:04:20 PM
Shortened back to its original terminus at Acocks Green. Orriginal route was Town Hall to Acocks Green, before it was extended to replace the YW 3 in 2014.
It went to Shirley at one point too.
Quote from: ellspurs on August 06, 2020, 03:31:14 PM
The 1 used to terminate at the Town Hall before all of the recent changes. I am unsure if there was a specific reason for it not going into the City Centre.
The 1 hasn't gone to the Town Hall for several years now. Even when it did, it was off-peak daytimes only, morning and evening peaks finished at Five Ways, with early morning and evening journeys finishing at Sheepcote Street.
Broad Street and Five Ways congestion finished that part of the route off; as journey times increased it was a case of either adding an extra bus, or curtailing the service.
Think that Broad Street used to get so clogged up that the decision was taken to truncate the route at Five Ways on the basis of "did the passenger traffic warrant the use of an additional PVR?" to service an already well served section of road. So it was a partially economic cost saving measure/common sense service reliability change. After all it is only a case of jumping from one bus onto another with minimal delay. The 1 is one of the oldest routes in Birmingham celebrating its centenary a couple of years ago. There have been minimal changes over the years apart from some fiddling around at the Acocks Green end and has always been a steady source of passenger revenue.
Quote from: dingding on August 06, 2020, 06:29:49 PM
Think that Broad Street used to get so clogged up that the decision was taken to truncate the route at Five Ways on the basis of "did the passenger traffic warrant the use of an additional PVR?" to service an already well served section of road. So it was a partially economic cost saving measure/common sense service reliability change. After all it is only a case of jumping from one bus onto another with minimal delay. The 1 is one of the oldest routes in Birmingham celebrating its centenary a couple of years ago. There have been minimal changes over the years apart from some fiddling around at the Acocks Green end and has always been a steady source of passenger revenue.
1 remember the 1 being a prime line route with toothpaste like branding on presidents , think that was a pointless centro excercise
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 06, 2020, 09:38:48 PM
1 remember the 1 being a prime line route with toothpaste like branding on presidents , think that was a pointless centro excercise
It wasn't Centro and it wasn't pointless, it was done to improve passenger numbers and it did
Between 1994 - 2001 daytime 1 was extended to Birmingham corporation street as 1A
Later renumbered 1M around 1998 terminating Birmingham colmore row and Jewellery Quarter.
The was also a 1C serving Birmingham Town Hall by 2001 all these variations gone with7 just the
1 Five Ways - Acocks Green
Metro buses branded smart pink stripe 2549 2605 2607 2749 2796 2798 2849
X12 is moving to BC, could we see more up to date platinum's on this route?
Quote from: Jack D on August 07, 2020, 08:20:24 PM
X12 is moving to BC, could we see more up to date platinum's on this route?
Doubt it, it's too soon for an East Brum route to get an upgrade
Quote from: Jack D on August 07, 2020, 08:20:24 PM
X12 is moving to BC, could we see more up to date platinum's on this route?
Why would it? The current Platinums are just fine.
Also
@monkeyjoe please don't start this again please.
I just say it how it is
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 07, 2020, 10:18:34 PM
I just say it how it is
What about the North Birmingham services? Some of them roll around with just as old buses as the East Birmingham ones. In fact the 14 and 97 have received an upgrade with some E400s.
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 07, 2020, 10:45:34 PM
What about the North Birmingham services? Some of them roll around with just as old buses as the East Birmingham ones. In fact the 14 and 97 have received an upgrade with some E400s.
Which North Birmingham services you are referring to. Other than 65? As sure X3/X4/X5, 93X, 997, X51, 16 are platinum, 51/33 are 61 plate E400.
65, 67, 14, 28 94, 55 are run mostly with some of the older buses (repainted and retrimmed) at present. But even they might be upgraded one day as, such as when 11 got a newer E400 MMC 2 years ago. NX probably can't put new buses on every route.
And i'd much rather travel on an older bus than no bus at all, it doesn't really bother me.
If the rumour about 55 getting double decks that was posted on here is true, I'd consider that an upgrade as well.
@monkeyjoe s comment about X12 sounds like nonsense to me as that has its own fleet of platinums as far as I know.
Quote from: 2206 on August 07, 2020, 10:52:46 PM
Which North Birmingham services you are referring to. Other than 65? As sure X3/X4/X5, 93X, 997, X51, 16 are platinum, 51/33 are 61 plate E400.
65, 67, 14, 94, 55 are run with older buses at present. But even they might be upgraded one day as, such as when 11 got a new E400 MMC 2 years ago.
@monkeyjoes comment about X12 sounds like nonsense to me as that has its own fleet of platinums as far as I know.
I was referring to the 7, 65 and the 67.
The X12 platinums aren't new to it, I'm not sure what service it was originally from but I'll check the fleetlist.
Quote from: Busboy105 on August 07, 2020, 11:00:43 PM
The X12 platinums aren't new to it, I'm not sure what service it was originally from but I'll check the fleetlist.
900.
Quote from: 2206 on August 07, 2020, 11:01:17 PM
900.
Yeah just seen it now. That was 5 years ago? Man, I hate how time flies.
There has been 18- and 19-plate platinums running on the East Birmingham/North Solihull routes in recent weeks. I just felt it wasn't noteworthy to mention.
Quote from: ellspurs on August 07, 2020, 11:03:35 PM
There has been 18- and 19-plate platinums running on the East Birmingham/North Solihull routes in recent weeks. I just felt it wasn't noteworthy to mention.
There aren't any 18 plates.
X12 certainly has been seeing the newer 19 plates I think, since these arrived at AG.
Quote from: 2206 on August 07, 2020, 11:10:44 PM
There aren't any 18 plates.
X12 certainly has been seeing the newer 19 plates I think, since these arrived at AG.
Must've been all 19s then. I was just surprised to see such a new bus this side of the city.
Looks like X12 is having its route changed to serve Birmingham Businsess Park.
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/2020-Files/Current-timetables/30th-August-2020/Birmingham-/BX12_30Aug20.pdf
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/2020-Files/Current-timetables/30th-August-2020/Birmingham-/BX7030August20.pdf
X12/X70 seem to be running every 10 minutes combined from City Centre to Bromford with X70 upped to every 20 minutes to Bromford.
Quote from: 2206 on August 18, 2020, 10:13:54 PM
Looks like X12 is having its route changed to serve Birmingham Businsess Park.
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/2020-Files/Current-timetables/30th-August-2020/Birmingham-/BX12_30Aug20.pdf
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/2020-Files/Current-timetables/30th-August-2020/Birmingham-/BX7030August20.pdf
X12/X70 seem to be running every 10 minutes combined from City Centre to Bromford with X70 upped to every 20 minutes to Bromford.
Do you know if they will be getting rid of the extra 75s that run as a result. Doesn't require much of a detour so sounds good to me.
Quote from: 2206 on August 18, 2020, 10:13:54 PM
Looks like X12 is having its route changed to serve Birmingham Businsess Park.
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/2020-Files/Current-timetables/30th-August-2020/Birmingham-/BX12_30Aug20.pdf
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/2020-Files/Current-timetables/30th-August-2020/Birmingham-/BX7030August20.pdf
X12/X70 seem to be running every 10 minutes combined from City Centre to Bromford with X70 upped to every 20 minutes to Bromford.
Seems a lot better that does looks Like the x70 short journeys will turn around at the old clock garage ( now the big BP garage but seems a lot better cause the some journeys on the X12/70 timetables a few mins different at present
Noticed the last couple of days (I wasn't at work last week) that the displays for the 5 now show 'via Monkspath'.
I presume these rumoured changes to the 5 and 6 are not now happening? As I would have expected them to come into effect with the other August changes.
Have the announcements been updated on X12 yet for the route change and have flags been updated?
Just in an x12 where have the announcements gone for the route?
Quote from: Jack D on September 17, 2020, 09:00:47 AM
Just in an x12 where have the announcements gone for the route?
Maybe they were Turned off.Up to the driver if he wants them on or not.
Quote from: bbs on September 17, 2020, 01:57:10 PM
Maybe they were Turned off.Up to the driver if he wants them on or not.
Really? That doesn't sound right.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 17, 2020, 02:51:48 PM
Really? That doesn't sound right.
The announcements are connected to the destination controller as far as I'm aware.
Quote from: Pat on September 17, 2020, 03:09:23 PM
The announcements are connected to the destination controller as far as I'm aware.
Yes, thats correct, from what i noticed on the X20/X21/X22.
From what I remember comming into the City Centre at Holloway Circus the driver would change the display and the announcements would then say "X20 to Cofton Hackett/Next Stop Granville Street", when coming into the City Centre.
On the X2 the other day, with the Solihull then St Peters display there weren't any announcements with that dsiplay.
Yeah, I'm aware of all that. That's not what I meant. I was questioning the fact that
@bbs said it's up to the driver if he wants them on or not. That bit doesn't sound right to me.
Quote from: 2206 on September 17, 2020, 03:57:24 PM
Yes, thats correct, from what i noticed on the X20/X21/X22.
From what I remember comming into the City Centre at Holloway Circus the driever would change the display and the announcements would then say "X20 to Cofton Hackett/Next Stop Granville Street", when coming into the City Centre.
On the X2 the other day, with the Solihull then St Peters display there weren't any announcements with that dsiplay.
Announcements are a little bit funny and inconsistent.
Some routes operate a one way loop (like the 23) so the drivers change the destination around New Street. The announcements
should work from there until they get to the out of city terminus. The announcements are in the destination controller (hence why you hear a jingle sometimes when the destination is changed). My only issue is that when an E400H is on the X8, the announcements work but when a B5LH is on the 23/24, the announcements don't work! I don't know if it's because it's all ADL and Volvo has a different destination controller or what.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 17, 2020, 04:15:20 PM
Yeah, I'm aware of all that. That's not what I meant. I was questioning the fact that @bbs said it's up to the driver if he wants them on or not. That bit doesn't sound right to me.
The YW 6 has next stop announcements.But in some buses usually on Sundays.They don't work they have a little star on the side.Even it's a 6 to Solihull and 6 to Birmingham.This also happened on a X2 6829
Quote from: bbs on September 17, 2020, 01:57:10 PM
Maybe they were Turned off.Up to the driver if he wants them on or not.
They're really not.
@Tony You mind if you help me out here.Regarding about 7515-7528 to Birmingham Central.I am hearing a lot of rumours that 7515-7528 are going to Birmingham Central.And Some people are saying 6701-6711 are going Birmingham Central.Can you tell me what's right.
Quote from: bbs on September 24, 2020, 11:51:41 PM
@Tony You mind if you help me out here.Regarding about 7515-7528 to Birmingham Central.I am hearing a lot of rumours that 7515-7528 are going to Birmingham Central.And Some people are saying 6701-6711 are going Birmingham Central.Can you tell me what's right.
7515-7533 are set to transfer to BC for the X12 and X70, according to the list I've seen. This was a while ago now though, and things could've changed.
Quote from: StourValley98 on September 25, 2020, 07:16:00 AM
7515-7533 are set to transfer to BC for the X12 and X70, according to the list I've seen. This was a while ago now though, and things could've changed.
I hope so.I really Enjoy going on 7515-7528 on AG routes.If they do go,6701-6711 where will they go?
Quote from: StourValley98 on September 25, 2020, 07:16:00 AM
7515-7533 are set to transfer to BC for the X12 and X70, according to the list I've seen. This was a while ago now though, and things could've changed.
Seems like a lot for just the X12 and X70. Unless the X12 needs more since the route change.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 25, 2020, 12:30:32 PM
Seems like a lot for just the X12 and X70. Unless the X12 needs more since the route change.
I dont think so.It was supposed to be 6701-6711.
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 25, 2020, 12:30:32 PM
Seems like a lot for just the X12 and X70. Unless the X12 needs more since the route change.
I think the PVR for the X12 is 10 to 12 and the X70 is around 6 so that's around 16 to 18 buses, so 19 buses is about right.
Quote from: bbs on September 25, 2020, 01:21:34 PM
I dont think so.It was supposed to be 6701-6711.
How can 6701-11 be enough for the X12 and X70 when they are the correct number now juat for the X12
Quote from: MasterPlan on September 25, 2020, 12:30:32 PM
Seems like a lot for just the X12 and X70. Unless the X12 needs more since the route change.
I mean any spares can be used to ensure that existing platinum routes have enough buses. I've seen quite a few e400s on the Harbones
Quote from: Steve3229vp on September 25, 2020, 01:39:25 PM
I think the PVR for the X12 is 10 to 12 and the X70 is around 6 so that's around 16 to 18 buses, so 19 buses is about right.
Add into this the fact that BC has a number of spare Platinum Enviros anyway which are largely compatible with the ones expected to be transferred in and it should level out.
Quote from: markcf83 on September 25, 2020, 04:13:31 PM
Add into this the fact that BC has a number of spare Platinum Enviros anyway which are largely compatible with the ones expected to be transferred in and it should level out.
BC does does not have any more spare platinums than the normal dose allowance to cover vehicles off the road
Quote from: Tony on September 25, 2020, 04:26:39 PM
BC does does not have any more spare platinums than the normal dose allowance to cover vehicles off the road
That was what I meant.
Quote from: Tony on September 25, 2020, 02:34:01 PM
How can 6701-11 be enough for the X12 and X70 when they are the correct number now juat for the X12
Well how is the X12 being operated then.6701-6711
It is being operated with whatever buses are currently available for it to be used. A lot of the X70 journeys are operated by non-platinum buses.
Quote from: bbs on September 26, 2020, 12:13:37 AM
Well how is the X12 being operated then.6701-6711
X12/X70 obviously requires more buses than X12 alone.
Quote from: ellspurs on September 26, 2020, 05:47:00 AM
It is being operated with whatever buses are currently available for it to be used. A lot of the X70 journeys are operated by non-platinum buses.
Often E400's. Presumably that will be where some of the E400 for the 55 come from. Wander where the others will come from?
Quote from: 2206 on September 26, 2020, 09:34:44 AM
Often E400's. Presumably that will be where some of the E400 for the 55 come from. Wander where the others will come from?
I think it will be common to see a few Tridents on the 55 too.
Quote from: Jack on September 26, 2020, 09:45:05 AM
I think it will be common to see a few Tridents on the 55 too.
Yeah.Ive heard that 4608 and 4609 are coming and 4914-4920 for 55
Quote from: bbs on September 26, 2020, 10:42:47 AM
Yeah.Ive heard that 4608 and 4609 are coming and 4914-4920 for 55
Presumably West Brom will receive some scanias in return
Quote from: bbs on September 26, 2020, 10:42:47 AM
Yeah.Ive heard that 4608 and 4609 are coming and 4914-4920 for 55
I reckon 4606-4609 will go back and 4914-4918 will transfer for the 55 so both WB and Walsall will have more Omnilinks.
Quote from: Jack on September 26, 2020, 11:29:19 AM
I reckon 4606-4609 will go back and 4914-4918 will transfer for the 55 so both WB and Walsall will have more Omnilinks.
Maybe the Omnilinks that were used for the 55 will go there.
Went on 2203 and 2226 very vibraty and loose parts.Not so comfortable either.
AG now run 07:46 49 from Cotteridge to Solihull. Which arrives at Solihull Station at about 08:35.
4530 was on it today. And think 4658 was last week as I saw a red and white Gemini by Solihull Swimming Baths last Monday.
Quote from: 2206 on September 28, 2020, 09:10:49 AM
AG now run 07:46 49 from Cotteridge to Solihull. Which arrives at Solihull Station at about 08:35.
4530 was on it today. And think 4658 was last week as I saw a red and white Gemini by Solihull Swimming Baths last Monday.
They have run that for a long time, about 2 years I think.
Quote from: Tony on September 28, 2020, 10:29:06 AM
They have run that for a long time, about 2 years I think.
@Tony I don't think this journey existed on the old timetable. I think they used to do a Maypole - Solihull - Maypole round trip, not sure if that ones still operated by AG, as the current timetable still lists those journeys as running?
This one is a Cotteridge - Solihull journey and runs half an hour or so later and goes out of service when it gets to Solihull Station. 07:46 Cotteridge - 08:35 Solihull isn't on the old 2019 timetable.
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/current_timetables/2019-Timetables/1st-Sept-2019/B049_01Sep19.pdf
https://nxbus.co.uk/files/NX-West-Midlands/2020-Files/Current-timetables/30th-August/Northfield/B049_30Aug20.pdf
6708 and 6710 are both de branded from the X12
Has the proposed 6A route been scrapped now?
Will X12 and X70 get joint branding?
Quote from: Jack D on September 28, 2020, 01:37:27 PM
Will X12 and X70 get joint branding?
Not initially. Will need to wait until all this covid crap is finished so the network required by the passenger numbers on routes is known
Quote from: John on September 28, 2020, 11:27:52 AM
6708 and 6710 are both de branded from the X12
6705 has had it's X12 route branding removed and extra leg room branding applied in it's place
Will X12 and X70 be getting Next stop announcments as I know X12 lost theirs and X70 never had them?
6705 with new Price branding.
7515-7528 will be branded to X12/X70 not 100% guaranteed.
73 to be split.
6711 to Walsall.
Quote from: bbs on September 28, 2020, 07:35:44 PM
7515-7528 will be branded to X12/X70 not 100% guaranteed.
Why are you posting total crap guesswork still
Quote from: Tony on September 28, 2020, 07:43:52 PM
Why are you posting total crap guesswork still
Wander what he means by 73 to be split as well? That route stopped interworking with the 5 at the start of the month its been seeing lots of E200 MMC? So not sure what else it can be split from.
Quote from: 2206 on September 28, 2020, 07:51:57 PM
Wander what he means by 73 to be split as well? That route stopped interworking with the 5 at the start of the month its been seeing lots of E200 MMC? So not sure what else it can be split from.
Why were they even split for?
Quote from: Jack on September 28, 2020, 10:52:22 PM
Why were they even split for?
The supposed Stratford Road review that hasn't (yet) materialised ???
Quote from: CL on September 28, 2020, 11:01:30 PM
The supposed Stratford Road review that hasn't (yet) materialised ???
It would be a bit odd to me to have a review during this current crisis when the numbers wouldn't really be a true reflection of people travelling needs, patterns and requirements etc. I could be wrong.
Quote from: Jack on September 28, 2020, 10:52:22 PM
Why were they even split for?
Not enough buses maybe.
Quote from: bbs on September 29, 2020, 04:59:55 PM
Not enough buses maybe.
Splitting routes normally involves using MORE buses!
Quote from: Tony on September 29, 2020, 05:12:42 PM
Splitting routes normally involves using MORE buses!
It probably does mean AG have been able to use more double decker buses elsewhere i'd have thought on routes such as the 4 if 73 is using the E200's?
And also the X2 increased to every 15 minutes meaning more buses along Old Lode Lane the same day as that change occured, so maybe the single deckers cope better on there with that?
Quote from: 2206 on September 29, 2020, 07:14:57 PM
It probably does mean AG have been able to use more double decker buses elsewhere i'd have thought on routes such as the 4 if 73 is using the E200's?
And also the X2 increased to every 15 minutes meaning more buses along Old Lode Lane the same day as that change occured, so maybe the single deckers cope better on there with that?
So currently the 5 has ALX400's.When 6701-6710 go on 5 then where will they go 73 probably.Or 1/1A.
Quote from: bbs on September 29, 2020, 11:58:31 PM
So currently the 5 has ALX400's.When 6701-6710 go on 5 then where will they go 73 probably.Or 1/1A.
AG 4/4A currently seem to have more double decks than they would have had pre COVID. From my observation for example today, a number of these seem to be Platinums and generally the 75XX batch. If these are moving to BC this weekend, I would presume these will be replaced by B7TL double deckers and if there are some spare from the 5 thats probably where they will come from.
These extra 75XX have presumably come from making the 73 single deck E200 MMC.
Also i've seen the 75XX platinums used on other AG double decker service, such as 11C (7519 today I think), 1/1A and 72.
So I would guess the B7TL ALX400 and B7TL Gemini would both still be used across AG double decker routes routes like the 75XX. So 1/1A, 4, 11A/11C and 72. Rather than a specfic service as you suggest and I doubt they will be used on the 73 as AG presumably don't have any spare double decks for that service.
Also saw 4284 on 11A, 4278 on 11C and 4288 on 11S today. And seemed to be a few B7TL ALX400 buses parked up in the depot entrance as well in the evening peak
AG no longer have any 83X E200
@Stu, 32 is E200 MMC, so think that needs changing on your spreadsheet.
Quote from: bbs on September 29, 2020, 11:58:31 PM
So currently the 5 has ALX400's.When 6701-6710 go on 5 then where will they go 73 probably.Or 1/1A.
Has it been confirmed that the 67**s will be used on the 5?
Quote from: 2206 on October 01, 2020, 05:57:12 PM
AG 4/4A currently seem to have more double decks than they would have had pre COVID. From my observation for example today, a number of these seem to be Platinums and generally the 75XX batch. If these are moving to BC this weekend, I would presume these will be replaced by B7TL double deckers and if there are some spare from the 5 thats probably where they will come from.
These extra 75XX have presumably come from making the 73 single deck E200 MMC.
Also i've seen the 75XX platinums used on other AG double decker service, such as 11C (7519 today I think), 1/1A and 72.
So I would guess the B7TL ALX400 and B7TL Gemini would both still be used across AG double decker routes routes like the 75XX. So 1/1A, 4, 11A/11C and 72. Rather than a specfic service as you suggest and I doubt they will be used on the 73 as AG presumably don't have any spare double decks for that service.
Also saw 4284 on 11A, 4278 on 11C and 4288 on 11S today. And seemed to be a few B7TL ALX400 buses parked up in the depot entrance as well in the evening peak
AG no longer have any 83X E200 @Stu, 32 is E200 MMC, so think that needs changing on your spreadsheet.
Yeah Maybe those ALX400's might replace the 75**.Dont forget Their getting omnilinks again.I can guarantee some will go on random DD routes.Even 32,58,31
*Not my photo* I think thats 1794.Not entirely sure.
Quote from: bbs on October 01, 2020, 09:40:31 PM
Yeah Maybe those ALX400's might replace the 75**.Dont forget Their getting omnilinks again.I can guarantee some will go on random DD routes including 32,58,31
Random DD routes 31, 32 & 58???
58 wouldn't be DD when it got back to garsge
Quote from: Tony on October 01, 2020, 09:56:00 PM
Random DD routes 31, 32 & 58???
58 wouldn't be DD when it got back to garsge
oops
6706 now has ticket branding like the new Platinums.
Quote from: Jack on October 03, 2020, 02:56:06 PM
6706 now has ticket branding like the new Platinums.
Any photos?
Quote from: Jack on October 03, 2020, 02:56:06 PM
6706 now has ticket branding like the new Platinums.
Most of the X12s have been done
Quote from: bbs on October 03, 2020, 03:12:35 PM
Any photos?
Go and look at any price branded 19 plate Platinum.
Quote from: Tony on October 03, 2020, 03:14:25 PM
Most of the X12s have been done
I saw one still carrying its X12 branding in Solihull earlier. Might be 6709.
@2206, are the E200's really noteworthy on the 5? Not really and you'll probably see the Omnilinks transferring straying onto other routes, 4, 72/73 etc.
Which of course you will put as noteworthy...
Quote from: Jack on October 03, 2020, 08:38:07 PM
@2206, are the E200's really noteworthy on the 5? Not really and you'll probably see the Omnilinks transferring straying onto other routes, 4, 72/73 etc.
I agree
Quote from: Jack on October 03, 2020, 08:38:07 PM
Which of course you will put as noteworthy...
I didn't know that.
Thought it was normally double decker. But its not a route I know/use.
Quote from: 2206 on October 03, 2020, 08:43:20 PM
I didn't know that.
Thought it was normally double decker. But its not a route I know.
They do appear a few times a week.
Seems to be a higher presence of E200 MMC's on the 72, as saw quite a few. And saw 1804 as well.
Probably related to more single decks being at AG now.
Theres at least one E200 MMC on the 17 today as well which I expect is the new 'normal'.
Quote from: dingding on October 05, 2020, 12:36:36 PM
Theres at least one E200 MMC on the 17 today as well which I expect is the new 'normal'.
E200MMC's will probably be on until the 4 is fully single decker operated
There is 4 on today 2207/2214/2218/2224 with 1792 on the 4A
Quote from: cris 99 on October 05, 2020, 01:17:41 PM
There is 4 on today 2207/2214/2218/2224 with 1792 on the 4A
Which is probably going to be a usual thing, saves you spamming the NW thread...
i dont spam the NW thread im only saying there are 4 on the route today and living on the route i wud agree this will be the norm now
Quote from: bbs on October 05, 2020, 04:03:29 PM
is 1792 on 4A noteworthy?
@bbs As mentioned earlier in this thread, AG have more single decks now. With E200MMCs being used on the 17, I'd imagine Scanias turning up on the 4/4A will be a fairly common occurance. I guess time will tell though if it's considered noteworthy, it's still early days right now.
Quote from: StourValley98 on October 05, 2020, 04:18:30 PM
@bbs As mentioned earlier in this thread, AG have more single decks now. With E200MMCs being used on the 17, I'd imagine Scanias turning up on the 4/4A will be a fairly common occurance. I guess time will tell though if it's considered noteworthy, it's still early days right now.
I'd imagine they will be common on other routes too like the 72 and 73 and probably the 5 etc. Not forgetting the 4/4A have been seeing more deckers lately for social distancing I'd imagine more will be on the 72 being more frequent than the 4's.
1805 is on the 58 as well. First day excitement from me I'll take no notice from now on ha ha!!
I'm sure Tony will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you'll find both the 4/4A and 17 will see a mix of E200s and OmniLinks.
Quote from: Stu on October 05, 2020, 06:40:24 PM
I'm sure Tony will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you'll find both the 4/4A and 17 will see a mix of E200s and OmniLinks.
Acocks Green's normal allocation *should* be Scanias 17 & 73, E200MMCs 4, 32 & 58, but spec wise (single decks with 43-45 seats) they will work as required, 5 should be platinum, 11 should be E400MMC + B7s. I & 72 should be B7s. Allocation was very ransom today which was probably because parking was difficult with the Scanias all arriving in the middle of the day, and normal run in was not done
Noticed 6707 on the 11C at Ward End this afternoon.
Notice the removal of the X12 branding has taken some of the paint off with it leaving white areas/patches on it.
Quote from: 2206 on October 11, 2020, 05:02:57 PM
Noticed 6707 on the 11C at Ward End this afternoon.
Notice the removal of the X12 branding has taken some of the paint off with it leaving white areas/patches on it.
I believe the white patches are the branding vinyl's base layer, as opposed to paint being stripped off.
The same thing happened with 4881 when it had its Kingstanding branding removed, and 6711 with its X10 roundel (albeit to a lesser extent)
https://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4700-4879/4881.html
https://flic.kr/p/2jeT3ds
Quote from: 2206 on October 11, 2020, 05:02:57 PM
Noticed 6707 on the 11C at Ward End this afternoon.
Notice the removal of the X12 branding has taken some of the paint off with it leaving white areas/patches on it.
6708 looks a right state on the back.
Quote from: V89MOA on October 12, 2020, 09:14:01 AM
2206 on the 17.
2202 is also on the 17. Still early days, but think this will likely be usual as presumably AG will mix them with the Scanias on the 17. And there were some on there on Saturday as well.
Quote from: bbs on October 22, 2020, 01:43:21 PM
1799 - 32
1790 - 4/4A
I dont know if these should be noteworthy
@bbs there is a link in the OP of the Noteworthy Workings topics:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=4016.0
The chart is also viewable on my WMBU website:
https://westmidlandsbususers.co.uk/enthusiasts/nx-bus-usual-allocations/
I know Tony has said the Scanias are intended for the 17, but there is no reason why they cannot end up on AG's other single-deck routes, and no doubt do.
I have already added the Scanias to the 4 and 4A on my sheet, I don't see the 32 at all so can't verify what is normally used on there.
Quote from: Stu on October 22, 2020, 07:04:35 PM
@bbsI don't see the 32 at all so can't verify what is normally used on there.
If it helps at all
@Stu I see the 32 every day. So far there have only been 2 appearances of Scanias on there (1807 on Tuesday and 1799 today which I believe was a change bus).
I'll keep an eye on it to see how often they appear - we're only in the third week since the transfers so still too early to be sure I'd say. My guess would be that they'll make the odd appearance.
Quote from: WMT3000 on October 22, 2020, 08:15:40 PM
If it helps at all @Stu I see the 32 every day. So far there have only been 2 appearances of Scanias on there (1807 on Tuesday and 1799 today which I believe was a change bus).
I'll keep an eye on it to see how often they appear - we're only in the third week since the transfers so still too early to be sure I'd say. My guess would be that they'll make the odd appearance.
Quote from: Tony on October 05, 2020, 06:47:46 PM
Acocks Green's normal allocation *should* be Scanias 17 & 73, E200MMCs 4, 32 & 58, but spec wise (single decks with 43-45 seats) they will work as required, 5 should be platinum, 11 should be E400MMC + B7s. I & 72 should be B7s. Allocation was very ransom today which was probably because parking was difficult with the Scanias all arriving in the middle of the day, and normal run in was not done
So based on what Tony has stated, there's no real reason why OmniLinks won't appear on any of AG's single-deck services if need be.
Quote from: Stu on October 22, 2020, 07:04:35 PM
@bbs there is a link in the OP of the Noteworthy Workings topics:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=4016.0
The chart is also viewable on my WMBU website:
https://westmidlandsbususers.co.uk/enthusiasts/nx-bus-usual-allocations/
I know Tony has said the Scanias are intended for the 17, but there is no reason why they cannot end up on AG's other single-deck routes, and no doubt do.
I have already added the Scanias to the 4 and 4A on my sheet, I don't see the 32 at all so can't verify what is normally used on there.
@Stu 32 is Always E200MMC and Sometimes Omnilink.
Platinum 6702 is on the 11C today.
5 has now got its Next Stop Announcements. I like how some of the stops are called Excel and etc. Lovley route the 5 has made my day.
A incident happened between 3 alcoholic girls and 2209 today.The girls came and one of them didnt pay.The driver said pay but they started punching 2209 everywhere. Bus went out of service and driver called police. The girls kept saying "Go and start driving you M##### F#####" I was in EO19 and that driver went to help.
Quote from: bbs on December 13, 2020, 02:48:38 PM
A incident happened between 3 alcoholic girls and 2209.The girls came and one of them didnt pay.The driver said pay but they started punching 2209 everywhere. Bus went out of service and driver called police. The girls kept saying "Go and start driving you M##### F#####" I was in EO19 and that driver went to help.
When did this alleged incident happen? 2209 completed its running boards both yesterday and is still in service today.
Quote from: Tony on December 13, 2020, 05:09:52 PM
When did this alleged incident happen? 2209 completed its running boards both yesterday and is still in service today.
It happened around 1:10 - 1:15. The driver turned its dest off quite a while but I don't know as EO19 Moved forward then. From what I know those girls were punching 2209 everywhere. I recommend doing a check up just in case. I was in EO19 and could hear the punches.
Quote from: bbs on December 13, 2020, 11:52:06 PM
It happened around 1:10 - 1:15. The driver turned its dest off quite a while but I don't know as EO19 Moved forward then. From what I know those girls were punching 2209 everywhere. I recommend doing a check up just in case. I was in EO19 and could hear the punches.
The bus was the 13:10 departure and left at 13:10, so no real drama there, destination going off was just the driver switching the bus off to wait time.
Quote from: bbs on December 13, 2020, 11:52:06 PM
It happened around 1:10 - 1:15. The driver turned its dest off quite a while but I don't know as EO19 Moved forward then. From what I know those girls were punching 2209 everywhere. I recommend doing a check up just in case. I was in EO19 and could hear the punches.
If there was any damage, it would have been noted by either a driver or depot/garage staff. The bus would not be out in service if any damage was found.
4280 had Hazards on Yesterday at Kings Heath. Driver wasn't there and it was parked right next to the Traffic lights. Happened between 21:30 - 21:40 Last night. Yet to know what happened. The dest was still displaying "11A".
Christmas Eve 73's are all double decker today, rather than the usual E200 MMC/Scania Omnilinks.
A mix of Gemini, B7TL ALX400 and 67XX Platinums.
4534 is one bus that is on there today.
Quote from: 2206 on December 24, 2020, 03:14:58 PM
Christmas Eve 73's are all double decker today, rather than the usual E200 MMC/Scania Omnilinks.
A mix of Gemini, B7TL ALX400 and 67XX Platinums.
4534 is one bus that is on there today.
Geminis back on the 73 again?
Quote from: bbs on December 25, 2020, 08:15:47 PM
Geminis back on the 73 again?
I saw one on it a few saturdays ago so they do appear.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 25, 2020, 09:25:19 PM
So 2011
What a stupid comment - Geminis last appeared on the 73 in 2018 before the route interworked with the 5.
Quote from: Jack on December 26, 2020, 01:26:17 AM
I saw one on it a few saturdays ago so they do appear.
What a stupid comment - Geminis last appeared on the 73 in 2018 before the route interworked with the 5.
4678 got onto the 73 once in January 2019. I remember seeing it while on the X2. As think thats the last time I recall seeing one previously, other than 4639 on an early weekday morning in October 2020.
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=5334.msg252381#msg252381
I think it makes a nice change to see them back on there though. And think the 2011 comment probably refers to when they were very common on there, before the route moved to BC in 2015.
Quote from: 2206 on December 26, 2020, 02:02:25 AM
4678 got onto the 73 once in January 2019. I remember seeing it while on the X2. As think thats the last time I recall seeing one previously, other than 4639 on an early weekday morning in October 2020.
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=5334.msg252381#msg252381
I think it makes a nice change to see them back on there though. And think the 2011 comment probably refers to when they were very common on there, before the route moved to BC in 2015.
Noticed that most of the 73 ALX400`s are now on 4`s
Has one of the 61xx gained an all over add?
Quote from: 4679 on January 27, 2021, 09:13:27 AM
Has one of the 61xx gained an all over add?
6147 for NSPCC
Quote from: Tony on January 27, 2021, 09:29:11 AM
6147 for NSPCC
Ok saw it in Perry Barr had to do a double take as though eyes were playing up.
Quote from: 4679 on January 27, 2021, 01:02:43 PM
Ok saw it in Perry Barr had to do a double take as though eyes were playing up.
looks like a mess
Quote from: bbs on February 06, 2021, 12:29:13 AM
looks like a mess
nothing wrong with the advert love to see you do an advert
Quote from: Solo1 on February 06, 2021, 07:34:58 AM
nothing wrong with the advert love to see you do an advert
They could have at least covered the front 2 top parts
Quote from: bbs on February 07, 2021, 11:23:34 AM
They could have at least covered the front 2 top parts
keep front clear so you. can see out top window
Quote from: bbs on February 07, 2021, 11:23:34 AM
They could have at least covered the front 2 top parts
What are you on about again?
I cannot see any missing bits
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6147.html
Quote from: Tony on February 07, 2021, 11:32:04 AM
What are you on about again?
I cannot see any missing bits
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6147.html
Guessing he means the upper front panels behind the tree defenders. Presuming they leave that red as it's the front and not the side of the bus.
Quote from: Lukeee on February 07, 2021, 11:03:32 PM
Guessing he means the upper front panels behind the tree defenders. Presuming they leave that red as it's the front and not the side of the bus.
yes
Quote from: bbs on February 08, 2021, 11:42:30 AM
yes
There's no point in doing the front of the bus, as there is no space to advertise anything, making it a waste of time and money to paint it. People view the advert from the side, so it doesn't matter wether the front is done or not.
Quote from: Pat on February 08, 2021, 11:51:58 AM
There's no point in doing the front of the bus, as there is no space to advertise anything, making it a waste of time and money to paint it. People view the advert from the side, so it doesn't matter wether the front is done or not.
Oh ok.
Caught 6145 on the 11C this morning at about 07:50, which got very busy and overcrowded. Could do with a duplicate I think. Or run the duplicate as a morning 11S as I was surprised in September when the timetable was first published that it only runs in the afternoon, as running it in the morning would give some extra capacity I would have thought.
Also it wasn't tracking on the bus stop and was only showing the timetabled departure time for some reason.
Could even run a duplicate or 11S off the 32 board as that doesn't start till 9AM I think.
1829 running dead by shard end crescent this morning, anyone know what this is potential new route or variant of 58?
Quote from: Jack D on March 24, 2021, 10:44:39 AM
1829 running dead by shard end crescent this morning, anyone know what this is potential new route or variant of 58?
1829 is a Perry Barr bus
It is been used for driver training/assessments as I saw it in Birmingham. Bus Times shows it as doing a loop of Shard End and Chelmsley Wood and back to garage via the Collector Road
Quote from: John on March 24, 2021, 11:01:40 AM
Bus Times shows it as doing a loop of Shard End and Chelmsley Wood
Looks mostly like the 55 route from City Centre to the big Island by Forth Drive. Only difference is the tracking shows it as going right onto Longmeadow Crescent instead of Hurst Lane, WMN says that being due to a diversion on the 55 route today.
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/275442?date=2021-03-24#journeys/116765129
You get some really weird people on the 11. One old woman goes about rummging in the bins and then brings her bags of rubbish on the bus. She's wearing duct tape and elastic bands on her boots (which have clearly broken and she's tried to repair them. I'm told she's been wearing the same outfit for years and regularly seen rummaging through bins/picking up rubbish in the Stechford area.
Really weird - I expect she must have some sort of mental health problem.
Quote from: 2206 on March 27, 2021, 05:40:47 PM
You get some really weird people on the 11. One old woman goes about rummging in the bins and then brings her bags of rubbish on the bus. She's wearing duct tape and elastic bands on her boots (which have clearly broken and she's tried to repair them. I'm told she's been wearing the same outfit for years and regularly seen rummaging through bins/picking up rubbish in the Stechford area.
Really weird - I expect she must have some sort of mental health problem.
Sorry, but how is this relevant to Acocks Green garage?
Quote from: Stu on March 27, 2021, 05:45:46 PM
Sorry, but how is this relevant to Acocks Green garage?
She's clearly one of their passengers. I'm surprised she's allowed to bring rubbish out the bins on the bus to be honest. As it's spreading germs.
Quote from: 2206 on March 27, 2021, 05:48:11 PM
She's clearly one of their passengers. I'm surprised she's allowed to bring rubbish out the bins on the bus to be honest. As it's spreading germs.
I am usually on 11. I do see a lot of mess sometimes but not always
6125 was in service at Ward End on the 11C at about 15:00 being driven with a smashed wing mirror.
Also running 30 minutes late.
Never seen a bus being driven in service like that with a smashed mirror before.
One in front 4658, went straight past the bus stop displaying not in service. But it was tracking on the bus stop as an 11C for some reason and then seemed to be picking up passengers at the next stop, which is weird.
Quote from: 2206 on April 19, 2021, 07:23:28 PM
6125 was in service at Ward End on the 11C at about 15:00 being driven with a smashed wing mirror.
Also running 30 minutes late.
Never seen a bus being driven in service like that with a smashed mirror before.
One in front 4658, went straight past the bus stop displaying not in service. But it was tracking on the bus stop as an 11C for some reason and then seemed to be picking up passengers at the next stop, which is weird.
Heard and seen a lot of Acocks greens buses either broken or have problems. I wonder whats happening with them
Quote from: bbs on April 19, 2021, 11:56:04 PM
Heard and seen a lot of Acocks greens buses either broken or have problems. I wonder whats happening with them
Buses do break down you know......
Quote from: Pat on April 20, 2021, 07:30:35 AM
Buses do break down you know......
Acocks Green have no more problems than any other garage, have very few defective buses compared to the other garages, and the only bus that hasn't been in service in the last 3 weeks is 1789, the one stuck in paint
Quote from: 2206 on April 19, 2021, 07:23:28 PM
One in front 4658, went straight past the bus stop displaying not in service. But it was tracking on the bus stop as an 11C for some reason and then seemed to be picking up passengers at the next stop, which is weird.
If a bus is running late and is 'in convoy', to help with making up time, the driver can be instructed to run 'unload only' to a certain point. They did used to have 'Unload Only' on the destination displays, but when I've seen this done more recently they just change to 'Not In Service'.
I did have a 'disagreement' with a driver the once, one Sunday morning. I was at the Fire Station stop on Yardley Wood Road, and had just missed one 11C. Another one pulled up a couple of minutes later, but had 'Not In Service' on the display. Although he had stopped to let a few passengers off, he refused to let me board, even though I told him I only wanted to go to Kings Heath. What frustrated me at the time was the next one wasn't due for at least another 20mins, ended up just walking to Kings Heath instead.
So yeah, in this kind of situation, the vehicle will show on BusTimes as being in service, when it actually isn't.
I caught the 11A yesterday. Now according to NXBus website it should have changed route in Selly Oak to operate straight along Harborne Lane onto Oak Tree Lane, not stopping on the Bristol Road. But instead it went via the old route along Harborne Lane - Chapel Lane - Bristol Road (Where it stopped) then turned onto Oak Tree Lane..... has it not changed in the end??
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/service-updates/timetable-changes-from-sunday-18th-april-2021
Someone took a picture showing me 2 Coventry buses at Acocks green
Quote from: bbs on May 03, 2021, 11:19:54 PM
Someone took a picture showing me 2 Coventry buses at Acocks green
Break tests I belive
Quote from: Bus_user_jay on May 03, 2021, 11:03:50 PM
I caught the 11A yesterday. Now according to NXBus website it should have changed route in Selly Oak to operate straight along Harborne Lane onto Oak Tree Lane, not stopping on the Bristol Road. But instead it went via the old route along Harborne Lane - Chapel Lane - Bristol Road (Where it stopped) then turned onto Oak Tree Lane..... has it not changed in the end??
https://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/service-updates/timetable-changes-from-sunday-18th-april-2021
Driver probably just forgot about the new route.
Quote from: Jack6101 on May 04, 2021, 05:52:33 AM
Break tests I belive
its not common seeing 4887 at Acocks green
i notice 6144 has now been debranded no doubt 45/56 will follow if not done already
Quote from: cris 99 on June 01, 2021, 11:03:59 AM
i notice 6144 has now been debranded no doubt 45/56 will follow if not done already
i think its because of the new clean air crisis.
Seems like EOO5 is at Acocks Green today.Not sure why but keeps going to Solihull and back to Acocks Green Depot
Quote from: bbs on June 01, 2021, 11:38:19 AM
Seems like EOO5 is at Acocks Green today.Not sure why but keeps going to Solihull and back to Acocks Green Depot
One is visiting every garage in turn for staff to see the new technology
Just visited the Acocks Green village and 11 brandeds are everywhere.People asking why does the 11 go birmingham now to people asking to go erdington.They just hop on the 4 thinking their on the 11 and welcome to city centre.I think if the branding gets removed it will make life easier for passengers.
Quote from: bbs on June 01, 2021, 11:38:19 AM
Seems like EOO5 is at Acocks Green today.Not sure why but keeps going to Solihull and back to Acocks Green Depot
Most AG vehicles on type / driver training do Solihull and back runs. They act as an unofficial shuttle as a lot of drivers have to get between the two locations (usually by catching the 4).
Quote from: MW on June 01, 2021, 02:58:45 PM
Most AG vehicles on type / driver training do Solihull and back runs. They act as an unofficial shuttle as a lot of drivers have to get between the two locations (usually by catching the 4).
EOO5 isn't a AG bus.Its a YW bus
Quote from: bbs on June 01, 2021, 03:02:09 PM
EOO5 isn't a AG bus.Its a YW bus
I don't know what to reply back, other than use your brain and read my post again.
Quote from: MW on June 01, 2021, 03:28:29 PM
I don't know what to reply back, other than use your brain and read my post again.
oops i read your comment wrong im sorry
Quote from: cris 99 on June 01, 2021, 11:03:59 AM
i notice 6144 has now been debranded no doubt 45/56 will follow if not done already
6146 is still branded for the Outer Circle at present, its on the 11C.
I also noticed 1937 on the Soho Road 74 service earlier, so that might be something to do with there now being less suitable double decks at WB as well?
Quote from: bbs on June 01, 2021, 02:17:41 PM
Just visited the Acocks Green village and 11 brandeds are everywhere.People asking why does the 11 go birmingham now to people asking to go erdington.They just hop on the 4 thinking their on the 11 and welcome to city centre. I think if the branding gets removed it will make life easier for passengers.
I find it hard to believe anyone would be that silly, they don't even stop anywhere near each other in Acocks Green. There is a destination display on the front and side.
Quote from: 2206 on June 01, 2021, 03:55:46 PM
6146 is still branded for the Outer Circle at present, its on the 11C.
I also noticed 1937 on the Soho Road 74 service earlier, so that might be something to do with there now being less suitable double decks at WB as well?
I find it hard to believe anyone would be that silly, they don't even stop anywhere near each other in Acocks Green. There is a destination display on the front and side.
Nobody looks at dests they just find a bus and get on
Quote from: bbs on June 01, 2021, 04:19:28 PM
Nobody looks at dests they just find a bus and get on
I think most people do, otherwise you wouldn't get anywhere.
Find a bus and just get on. So I just board the X8 to Wolverhampton instead of getting 55/94 to Ward End, that would make no sense.
Quote from: bbs on June 01, 2021, 04:19:28 PM
Nobody looks at dests they just find a bus and get on
I think you are inventive.
Quote from: Tony on June 01, 2021, 04:24:14 PM
I think you are inventive.
Lol btw 4503,4504 were transferred to AG right
Quote from: bbs on June 01, 2021, 02:17:41 PM
Just visited the Acocks Green village and 11 brandeds are everywhere.People asking why does the 11 go birmingham now to people asking to go erdington.They just hop on the 4 thinking their on the 11 and welcome to city centre.I think if the branding gets removed it will make life easier for passengers.
I think you're exaggerating. Branded vehicles appear on other routes all the time and I never see it causing any confusion to passengers. The 4 and the 11 don't even use the same stops in Acocks Green village.
Quote from: bbs on June 01, 2021, 04:50:51 PM
Lol btw 4503,4504 were transferred to AG right
Do you lack patience? Just wait till it's confirmed...
I apologise to everyone here for me being stupid and annoying.
Quote from: Jack on June 01, 2021, 07:50:27 PM
Do you lack patience? Just wait till it's confirmed...
4503 was on the 11 yesterday
Saw 2202 at Scott Arms en route to Walsall i suspect.
The Bromford Lane 11A side traffic is stretching back from the Bromford Motorway Bridge to Ward End, St Margarets Road junction this evening, this might be part of the reason the 11 has been split i'm suspecting, as the buses get stuck so it must be making the service very unreliable.
And probably why the 11 has been split at Erdington. With the Bromford Bridge, Ward End & Yardley section has its own service.
Also high B7TL presence on the 11 today.
Needs to be some sort of bus priority measures/bus lanes through the East of the city so services can run reliably I think.
Quote from: 2206 on July 05, 2021, 04:45:34 PM
Also high B7TL presence on the 11 today.
CAZ to blame! The branded MMCs have been appearing on the 4/A for the past few weeks.
Quote from: 2206 on July 05, 2021, 04:45:34 PM
The Bromford Lane 11A side traffic is stretching back from the Bromford Motorway Bridge to Ward End, St Margarets Road junction this evening, this might be part of the reason the 11 has been split i'm suspecting, as the buses get stuck so it must be making the service very unreliable.
And probably why the 11 has been split at Erdington. With the Bromford Bridge, Ward End & Yardley section has its own service.
Also high B7TL presence on the 11 today.
Needs to be some sort of bus priority measures/bus lanes through the East of the city so services can run reliably I think.
The main reason the 11A/C has been altered this way is because of traffic congestion caused by the roadworks in Perry Barr.
Of course there are other traffic issues around the route, not just in Bromford. The LTN scheme in Kings Heath is creating additional traffic congestion along Vicarage Road, as another example.
Quote from: Pat on July 05, 2021, 06:32:04 PM
CAZ to blame! The branded MMCs have been appearing on the 4/A for the past few weeks.
B7TLs belong on the 11 anyway! The 11 without Geminis is absolutely dull!
Quote from: Stu on July 05, 2021, 07:04:58 PM
The main reason the 11A/C has been altered this way is because of traffic congestion caused by the roadworks in Perry Barr.
Regularly heavy congestion there in the peak times from my experience, so it needs to be improved I think.
@Stu looking at the tracking some buses were taking an hour to get from Ward End, St Margarets Road, all the B7TL buses were stuck just past the lights up to the Bromford Bridge. Good I was getting off there anyway so didn't need to go any further. Tracking for other days last week looks bad as well.
Discount Travel regularly used to skip it out in the past, back when they used to skip part of the route out and ran the 11A and would turn right at the lights.
Quote from: MW on July 05, 2021, 07:09:43 PM
B7TLs belong on the 11 anyway! The 11 without Geminis is absolutely dull!
The ex Hagley Road 09 E400 aren't dull. So would be nice to see some of them at AG on 11.
Quote from: Pat on July 05, 2021, 06:32:04 PM
CAZ to blame! The branded MMCs have been appearing on the 4/A for the past few weeks.
5 too.
Quote from: MW on July 05, 2021, 07:09:43 PM
B7TLs belong on the 11 anyway! The 11 without Geminis is absolutely dull!
So does the 4/4A, Gemini's (other B7TL's too) have been going along there since they was new its a shame they are no longer allowed...
Quote from: 2206 on July 05, 2021, 07:15:09 PM
The ex Hagley Road 09 E400 aren't dull. So would be nice to see some of them at AG on 11.
No thank you, they are welcome to stay at Perry Barr... If anything AG have been treated to some of PB's finest Gemini's so I'm sure they've got enough now...
If the 11 is going to be upgraded then (even though it's dodgy) I'd give it the 15 plate Platinums, already battered they fit in on the 11, and not like the passengers would realise the difference... The state of some of the current 61** on there is truly shocking.
Quote from: Jack on July 05, 2021, 08:16:09 PM
The state of some of the current 61** on there is truly shocking.
What do you mean by that?
Quote from: Jack on July 05, 2021, 08:16:09 PM
If the 11 is going to be upgraded then (even though it's dodgy) I'd give it the 15 plate Platinums, already battered they fit in on the 11, and not like the passengers would realise the difference... .
Good idea for it to be platinum I think, being a major route announcements would be good. They should fit those ones with USB socketts so they are the same as the others I think.
Quote from: 2206 on July 05, 2021, 08:28:50 PM
What do you mean by that?
Very grubby interiors and just a mess inside... I've had a lot of them lately and they are a real mess, can tell they've been circling the 11... Also these were the first buses in the Crimson livery so I'd thought there will be something done about them? Same story with the 47** E400's at PE and WB...
Quote from: 2206 on July 05, 2021, 08:28:50 PM
Good idea for it to be platinum I think, being a major route announcements would be good. They should fit those ones with USB socketts so they are the same as the others I think.
Don't think retrofitting USB sockets would be exactly cheap on a set of 6 year old buses...
Quote from: Pat on July 05, 2021, 06:32:04 PM
CAZ to blame! The branded MMCs have been appearing on the 4/A for the past few weeks.
since June I believe
Quote from: MW on July 05, 2021, 07:09:43 PM
B7TLs belong on the 11 anyway! The 11 without Geminis is absolutely dull!
It's hard to disagree with that. My entire life it's been primarily operated by Metrobuses or Geminis
Needs to be some sort of bus priority measures/bus lanes through the East of the city so services can run reliably I think. With cameras so if cars go in to bus lanes get a fine of say £100 that should stop them going into the bus lanes
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Quote from: Solo1 on July 06, 2021, 08:44:51 AM
Needs to be some sort of bus priority measures/bus lanes through the East of the city so services can run reliably I think. With cameras so if cars go in to bus lanes get a fine of say £100 that should stop them going into the bus lanes
Problem with cameras is that it doesn't initially stop people going down a bus lane. They only find out a few days later when the fine comes through the door. Bus gates and busways are the way forward. Perhaps a segregated bus lane, similarly designed like the CSs in London could work?
Wonder if any MMC deckers will be branded for the 4 4a. As a number of MMC deckers are used
Quote from: Solo1 on July 06, 2021, 01:05:00 PM
Wonder if any MMC deckers will be branded for the 4 4a. As a number of MMC deckers are used
Why? The e400s are branded for the 11 whilst the e200s are branded for the 4... Doubt they would branded two different types for the same route...
Maybe in a few years the 4 will get new double deckers ???
Quote from: Solo1 on July 06, 2021, 01:05:00 PM
Wonder if any MMC deckers will be branded for the 4 4a. As a number of MMC deckers are used
Doubt it. The 4/4A are still mostly E200MMC
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 06, 2021, 08:57:18 PM
Doubt it. The 4/4A are still mostly E200MMC
kind of like a 50 40 and sometimes a 10%.50% is usually the E200MMC. The other half is E400MMC 11 brandeds and the rest is omnilinks
Quote from: bbs on July 06, 2021, 11:35:01 PM
kind of like a 50 40 and sometimes a 10%.50% is usually the E200MMC. The other half is E400MMC 11 brandeds and the rest is omnilinks
You don't make any sense and that doesn't accurate from my observations... more like 75% E200MMC's, 20% E400MMC's and 5% Omnilinks...
With the occasional Gemini
Quote from: Steveminor on July 07, 2021, 10:29:01 AM
With the occasional Gemini
No geminis been on there since the CAZ started. AG have been very good with Allocations. Only time we have had to pay for a Gemini is outer Circle drivers being sent across city to get back on time
Quote from: Tony on July 07, 2021, 10:47:38 AM
No geminis been on there since the CAZ started. AG have been very good with Allocations. Only time we have had to pay for a Gemini is outer Circle drivers being sent across city to get back on time
Will the 4 ever see an upgrade to DD operation?
Quote from: Jack on July 07, 2021, 01:41:42 AM
You don't make any sense and that doesn't accurate from my observations... more like 75% E200MMC's, 20% E400MMC's and 5% Omnilinks...
yes that is more better
Quote from: Pat on July 07, 2021, 10:50:02 AM
Will the 4 ever see an upgrade to DD operation?
Does it need it? Serious question, I don't regularly see the 4
Quote from: Pat on July 07, 2021, 10:50:02 AM
Will the 4 ever see an upgrade to DD operation?
I think the main issue is NXWM have quite a large young fleet of single deckers. To put double deckers on a single deck route, those single deckers need somewhere else to go.
I'd imagine within the next few years when 56 plate B7s and maybe early 57 plate Scanias start to go, that's when we may see more double decking of some routes.
Quote from: Gareth on July 08, 2021, 09:24:46 AM
I think the main issue is NXWM have quite a large young fleet of single deckers. To put double deckers on a single deck route, those single deckers need somewhere else to go.
I'd imagine within the next few years when 56 plate B7s and maybe early 57 plate Scanias start to go, that's when we may see more double decking of some routes.
56 plate B7RLE are euro 3 aren't they, so maybe they will go before the euro 6 57 plate scania?
Other thing I was wondering if Coventry are having 150 new buses, will some of these be single deckers and how many, looks be lots of 12/13 plate B7RLE there that would need somewhere else to go.
Quote from: 2206 on July 08, 2021, 11:09:46 AM
56 plate B7RLE are euro 3 aren't they, so maybe they will go before the euro 6 57 plate scania?
Other thing I was wondering if Coventry are having 150 new buses, will some of these be single deckers and how many, looks be lots of 12/13 plate B7RLE there that would need somewhere else to go.
I'd guess about 34 B7RLE; 11 E200; 54 E400 and 20 Platinum by 2025 (I guess some, like the 47xx E400, may stay there until withdrawal) - I'm presuming the B7TL, Tridents and Geminis would be withdrawn. You could imagine the 17xx B7RLEs at Walsall being replaced and the earlier Scanias potentially, by these vehicles being cascaded. A large requirement for repainting though (around 30 a year).
Quote from: don on July 08, 2021, 12:03:05 PM
I'd guess about 34 B7RLE; 11 E200; 54 E400 and 20 Platinum by 2025 (I guess some, like the 47xx E400, may stay there until withdrawal) - I'm presuming the B7TL, Tridents and Geminis would be withdrawn. You could imagine the 17xx B7RLEs at Walsall being replaced and the earlier Scanias potentially, by these vehicles being cascaded. A large requirement for repainting though (around 30 a year).
Acocks Green have the 1788 -1799 batch right?
Quote from: don on July 08, 2021, 12:03:05 PM
I'd guess about 34 B7RLE; 11 E200; 54 E400 and 20 Platinum by 2025 (I guess some, like the 47xx E400, may stay there until withdrawal) - I'm presuming the B7TL, Tridents and Geminis would be withdrawn. You could imagine the 17xx B7RLEs at Walsall being replaced and the earlier Scanias potentially, by these vehicles being cascaded. A large requirement for repainting though (around 30 a year).
Could Coventry have an all-double deck fleet in the future? Is there a requirement for Electric single deckers there. I suppose lots of new buses entering service at broadly the same time at the same garage - means 5 years later, lots of buses falling due for repaint at the same time.
Quote from: paulb1973 on July 08, 2021, 02:56:09 PM
Could Coventry have an all-double deck fleet in the future? Is there a requirement for Electric single deckers there. I suppose lots of new buses entering service at broadly the same time at the same garage - means 5 years later, lots of buses falling due for repaint at the same time.
Coventry has routes which go under low bridges so would need some singles at least.
Quote from: ellspurs on July 08, 2021, 03:05:39 PM
Coventry has routes which go under low bridges so would need some singles at least.
Which ones have low bridges and how many single decks needed for those routes?
Are there any other depots except BC that doesn't have any routes that go under low bridges?
Quote from: 2206 on July 08, 2021, 05:00:06 PM
Which ones have low bridges and how many single decks needed for those routes?
Are there any other depots except BC that doesn't have any routes that go under low bridges?
20B on Woodshires Road (12' 9" bridge) is the only actual one I can think of. The 17/1 are usually single decker but that may just be for capacity reasons. Some of the roads the 17 goes through in Hillfields are tight as well which may be playing a part.
There's also a 12' 3" bridge on the road out to Rugby (A428) but the 85 avoids that by going through Brinklow, although the 85 set is usually single decker as well (as is 539/580), but not the 585S.
Any more posts on this should probably be in the Cov garage thread.
Which of the 61**'s have been debranded from the 11
Quote from: SN65 OMC on July 13, 2021, 11:50:01 PM
Which of the 61**'s have been debranded from the 11
I think its 6144 and 6143 and Perry barrs 6146
Quote from: SN65 OMC on July 13, 2021, 11:50:01 PM
Which of the 61**'s have been debranded from the 11
Quote from: bbs on July 14, 2021, 09:29:02 AM
I think its 6144 and 6143 and Perry barrs 6146
I did see 6144 this evening on the 5 and yes, that's had its Outer Circle branding removed.
Quote from: bbs on July 14, 2021, 09:29:02 AM
I think its 6144 and 6143 and Perry barrs 6146
6145 now has branding like 6146...
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2021, 06:03:49 AM
E008 on the 11A/11c this morning as a special treat for one of the longest serving drivers at AG who is retiring today
How long has this driver worked for NXWM and its predecessors? I had the absolute pleasure of co-hosting the NXWM Black Country Safe Driving Awards and presented a 45 year service award to a Walsall driver who used to drive my school bus in the 80s!(back in 2018 IIRC).
Good to see that there's still some longevity in the bus industry.
Quote from: Wumpty on July 23, 2021, 09:29:49 AM
How long has this driver worked for NXWM and its predecessors? I had the absolute pleasure of co-hosting the NXWM Black Country Safe Driving Awards and presented a 45 year service award to a Walsall driver who used to drive my school bus in the 80s!(back in 2018 IIRC).
Good to see that there's still some longevity in the bus industry.
He retired after 52 years service
Quote from: Tony on July 23, 2021, 10:16:31 AM
He retired after 52 years service
Wow, this is a phenomenal achievement. Was he a Birmingham Corporation or WMPTE new starter as he'd have been on the cusp I expect?
Rumours around that AG are to gain new services 41 & 46, interworking at QE Hospital.
41 Acocks Green to QE
46 QE to Hawkesley.
Due to commence in September. Any truth to this?
Quote from: MW on August 04, 2021, 01:48:48 AM
Rumours around that AG are to gain new services 41 & 46, interworking at QE Hospital.
41 Acocks Green to QE
46 QE to Hawkesley.
Due to commence in September. Any truth to this?
See: http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=6045.0
Quote from: Stu on August 04, 2021, 07:39:12 AM
See: http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=6045.0
I've seen that. I should have been more specific lol. I've not seen any suggestion of this 46 service being operated by AG.
Useful place to "dump" non compliant B7 Deckers, if that's what the allocation will be.
Quote from: MW on August 04, 2021, 11:05:03 AM
I've seen that. I should have been more specific lol. I've not seen any suggestion of this 46 service being operated by AG.
Useful place to "dump" non compliant B7 Deckers, if that's what the allocation will be.
Apart from the fact that these two services are showing as registered, and that it was confirmed by Steve Minor that the 41 would be covering a part of the revised 36 service, no-one else knows any more.
I would have thought it logical for AG to operate the 41 (as it replaces their 1A), with perhaps YW operating the new 46.
If the plan is to interwork the two services, I don't know why they didn't just combine the two together as one new service, Acocks Green to Northfield via QE Hospital.
Quote from: Stu on August 04, 2021, 06:42:32 PM
Apart from the fact that these two services are showing as registered, and that it was confirmed by Steve Minor that the 41 would be covering a part of the revised 36 service, no-one else knows any more.
I would have thought it logical for AG to operate the 41 (as it replaces their 1A), with perhaps YW operating the new 46.
If the plan is to interwork the two services, I don't know why they didn't just combine the two together as one new service, Acocks Green to Northfield via QE Hospital.
If the 41 and 46 are both AG, then both routes will defiantly have Gemini 1s and ALX400 but YW should have 46 tbh
Quote from: bbs on August 04, 2021, 09:15:33 PM
If the 41 and 46 are both AG, then both routes will defiantly have Gemini 1s and ALX400 but YW should have 46 tbh
How do we know? Some singles could be displaced from the 4/4A for these routes, in exchange for some E400MMCs - replaced by non-complaint Gemini & ALX400s on the outer circle
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 04, 2021, 10:52:02 PM
How do we know? Some singles could be displaced from the 4/4A for these routes, in exchange for some E400MMCs - replaced by non-complaint Gemini & ALX400s on the outer circle
I mean the Mmcs need to be on routes 32 and 31 too
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 04, 2021, 10:52:02 PM
How do we know? Some singles could be displaced from the 4/4A for these routes, in exchange for some E400MMCs - replaced by non-complaint Gemini & ALX400s on the outer circle
Unlikely, in my opinion. If the 41 is to serve Formans Road as previously suggested, sticking a full length single decker (especially 2201-2250 which have notoriously poor steering) on there is asking for problems. (Seen plenty of Claribels struggling with their Pulsars)
We know it's possible to use a decker because BC have operated deckers on the 36 before. The 1A at the moment is decker operated. We know there's a shortage of ULEZ compliant vehicles too. Logically the 41/46 will be ALX400/Gemini operated.
Quote from: bbs on August 05, 2021, 12:46:24 AM
I mean the Mmcs need to be on routes 32 and 31 too
Beacause of the nature of the route the 32 is much better run by a Scania
Quote from: MW on August 05, 2021, 12:43:30 PM
Unlikely, in my opinion. If the 41 is to serve Formans Road as previously suggested, sticking a full length single decker (especially 2201-2250 which have notoriously poor steering) on there is asking for problems. (Seen plenty of Claribels struggling with their Pulsars)
We know it's possible to use a decker because BC have operated deckers on the 36 before. The 1A at the moment is decker operated. We know there's a shortage of ULEZ compliant vehicles too. Logically the 41/46 will be ALX400/Gemini operated.
I think it was said the 72 will be euro 6 from September as well? So that might take some MMC off the Outer Circle instead. Unless some euro 6 buses come from elsewhere.
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If 46 is going to be run from AG though you could have ran it as a through 41 Northfield to Acocks Green as Stu said, 41 route then right of the Bristol Rd onto Edgbaston Park Rd, left Pritchatts Rd, left Vincent Drive, then as per current 48 Vincent Drive to Northfield?
Quote from: bbs on August 05, 2021, 12:46:24 AM
I mean the Mmcs need to be on routes 32 and 31 too
You forgot the 58 too pal...
I mean if anything came worse to worse with Deckers than the 67** on the 5 could be swapped for Omnilinks and E200MMC's, especially if Formans Road is going to need Deckers as well as the 72 and 73 needing to be Euro 6, unless they go to full SD operation...
Strikes me that when theres no compliant Deckers left for the 5 is that E200MMC takes first choice instead of an Omnilink... when the MMC's do have to go round the island twice at the Sarehole Road junction at Sarehole Mill...
6121 now has a megarear advert for Waverley Studio College.
Its been a year or more since 7515-7528 came to AG.It was a great time going on them on the 4/5. Would be insane to see them again at AG.
Quote from: bbs on August 13, 2021, 09:28:08 PM
Its been a year or more since 7515-7528 came to AG.It was a great time going on them on the 4/5. Would be insane to see them again at AG.
Why would it be? The only difference between those and the 67** is the gearbox, age and that the newer lot are Smart Hybrids... The 4 and 5 were better with B7TL's than those...
Quote from: Jack on August 13, 2021, 09:32:19 PM
Why would it be? The only difference between those and the 67** is the gearbox, age and that the newer lot are Smart Hybrids... The 4 and 5 were better with B7TL's than those...
No USB plugs as well.
I was wondering does the X20 withdrawl mean some of the platinums at BC will be spare and used elsewhere, do the revised X21/X22 not need as many?
Also 7536 was on loan to AG for a short while.
Quote from: 2206 on August 13, 2021, 09:35:46 PM
No USB plugs as well.
I was wondering does the X20 mean some of the platinums at BC will be spare and used elsewhere, or not?
Aren't the X21 and X22 going to be requiring more than they currently do?
Quote from: Jack on August 13, 2021, 09:39:02 PM
Aren't the X21 and X22 going to be requiring more than they currently do?
At first glance at the X21/X22 timetables it looks like they will interwork at the Woodgate end and a quick calculation is that the PVR is about 11 buses whereas the present PVR on the X20/X21/X22 is 16 buses. With differences in peak hours I would estimate the saving of vehicles is about 4 buses
Quote from: Steve3229vp on August 13, 2021, 10:02:40 PM
At first glance at the X21/X22 timetables it looks like they will interwork at the Woodgate end and a quick calculation is that the PVR is about 11 buses whereas the present PVR on the X20/X21/X22 is 16 buses. With differences in peak hours I would estimate the saving of vehicles is about 4 buses
6880-6889 are currently branded which is 10 so I doubt they'll be going anywhere, if anything BC needs spare Platinums because E400's are regulars on the X12/X70 during the week I've noticed...
I doubt they'll be going anywhere. There are frequently generic '66 platinums on the X20/21/22 (not terrible, at least they're platinums), so there's obviously a need to keep them.
Quote from: Jack on August 13, 2021, 09:32:19 PM
Why would it be? The only difference between those and the 67** is the gearbox, age and that the newer lot are Smart Hybrids... The 4 and 5 were better with B7TL's than those...
If you want to get slightly more in depth, they're not stop-start and the seats are different to subsequent batches.
This does seem slightly off topic though, talking about BC buses in an AG thread.
One thing that is certain in life... eventually the 11A and 11C will be run by the oldest vehicles in the fleet. Loads of Alx 400 b7tl on there today
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 19, 2021, 11:56:22 AM
One thing that is certain in life... eventually the 11A and 11C will be run by the oldest vehicles in the fleet. Loads of Alx 400 b7tl on there today
It has the highest vehicle requirement in the company and faces no low emission zones. The nature of the Outer Circle means buses will always be pinched and swapped when required elsewhere.
It'd be nice if 4635-4679 became the permanent allocation again... but those days are gone.
Quote from: MW on August 19, 2021, 12:16:03 PM
It has the highest vehicle requirement in the company and faces no low emission zones. The nature of the Outer Circle means buses will always be pinched and swapped when required elsewhere.
It'd be nice if 4635-4679 became the permanent allocation again... but those days are gone.
Now you even randomly see Omnilink's and E200 mmc on outer circle.
Just to try and put things in context, a snapshot of the 11A and 11C from Bus Times a few mins ago showed:-
11C - 9 x 61xx; 9 x 46xx Gemini; 2 x 44/45xx Gemini; 3 x 42/43xx ALX B7
11A - 7 x 61xx; 5 x 46xx Gemini; 4 x 44/45xx Gemini; 1 x 42/43xx ALX B7
The Geminis include 4475; 4498; 4499 and the ALX 4301. Overall, 20 Geminis, 16 MMC and 4 ALX B7s.
I think this is a fairly typical split from my observations with just an increase in the peak (I haven't looked at that for a while).
Quote from: bbs on August 24, 2021, 12:35:33 PM
Now you even randomly see Omnilink's and E200 mmc on outer circle.
Not that i've seen
Usually B7TL ALX400/Gemini and Crimson E400 MMC, 6701 was out on Perry Barr - Acocks Green via Fox & Goose all day on Sunday I think as well. It can sees any AG double decker basically.
Like a lot of non platinum double decker routes at Perry Barr/BC that can see any double decker (with the exception of the 55XX normally restricted to 61/63's).
Quote from: bbs on August 24, 2021, 12:35:33 PM
Now you even randomly see Omnilink's and E200 mmc on outer circle.
Never seen either of those on there.
Quote from: Pat on August 24, 2021, 05:14:01 PM
Never seen either of those on there.
Every so often one will venture out on one of the short afternoon peak boards, but it is very rarae
Was a bit surprised to see a 1A in Billesley earlier - thought it was an 11A at first!
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/278447?date=2021-08-24#journeys/160745923
2223 has been debranded from the 4/4A.
Along with 2224
Why they being debranded?
Quote from: Jack D on August 25, 2021, 05:03:52 PM
Why they being debranded?
At a guess, either the branding is going to get updated, or some vehicles are being debranded so they can be utilised on other routes.
The 4 / 4A branding will need to be amended now that both routes will be going to Solihull. Perhaps "4 via Olton" and "4A via Gospel Oak" would be more appropriate, and generate less confusion.
Quote from: Stu on August 25, 2021, 08:08:23 PM
The 4 / 4A branding will need to be amended now that both routes will be going to Solihull. Perhaps "4 via Olton" and "4A via Gospel Oak" would be more appropriate, and generate less confusion.
I won't be surprised if it isn't. The current branding still fits with the 4A extension, as it shows the service as going via/to Gospel Oak. Possibly, to avoid confusion, the destination displays may be changed to show 'via Acocks Green & Gospel Oak' on the extensions.
Seeing the 11C on St Margarets Road tonight is quite a strange sight, the latest one i've seen on there is 6116 on the 11C. 6125 on the 11C, 4650 NIS I saw as well have all been down there tonight.
There is an RTC and oil spillage (the back of the van was taken off and oil it was carrying split everywhere) on St Margarets Road at the junction with Bromford Lane so the clockwise side of Bromford Lane is closed off and traffic being sent right along St Margarets Rd, so 6116 went right onto St Margarets Road, left onto Washwood Heath Road, right onto Stechford Lane at the Fox & Goose.
4650 was running dead back to depot having come off Acocks Green to Erdington via Bearwood trips I think.
Another I just saw Perry Barr 7021 NIS also just went down St Margarets Road at 22:34, this one unlike the 11's has turned left into Morris Road and will come out at the Fox & Goose, first time i've ever seen a National Express bus go up there. (& 4500 is the last one tonight aswell NIS at 00:00).
Quote from: Jack on August 25, 2021, 03:27:37 PM
2223 has been debranded from the 4/4A.
Quote from: cris 99 on August 25, 2021, 04:37:37 PM
Along with 2224
I don't know if this is an error, but 2223 shows on BusTimes now as a West Bromwich bus. ???
It is however currently operating the new 46 service, but is showing as being on WB's 46, presumably as the routes data feed is not yet updated.
I'm going to assume this is a mistake, and this is still an AG vehicle, and the debranding is just a coincidence, unless Tony advises otherwise.
Quote from: Stu on August 29, 2021, 10:41:49 AM
I don't know if this is an error, but 2223 shows on BusTimes now as a West Bromwich bus. ???
It is however currently operating the new 46 service, but is showing as being on WB's 46, presumably as the routes data feed is not yet updated.
I'm going to assume this is a mistake, and this is still an AG vehicle, and the debranding is just a coincidence, unless Tony advises otherwise.
The 95 is tracking as the 55
The 80 is tracking as the 80A
Quote from: Stu on August 29, 2021, 10:41:49 AM
I don't know if this is an error, but 2223 shows on BusTimes now as a West Bromwich bus. ???
It is however currently operating the new 46 service, but is showing as being on WB's 46, presumably as the routes data feed is not yet updated.
I'm going to assume this is a mistake, and this is still an AG vehicle, and the debranding is just a coincidence, unless Tony advises otherwise.
To answer my own question, I guess the 'garage' comes from the route data, as 2223 has now been replaced by 2222, which also now shows as a 'West Bromwich' vehicle. And this also answers how AG deal with driver changeover for this service on Sunday, duty starts and ends at garage!
Quote from: Stu on August 29, 2021, 10:41:49 AM
I don't know if this is an error, but 2223 shows on BusTimes now as a West Bromwich bus. ???
It is however currently operating the new 46 service, but is showing as being on WB's 46, presumably as the routes data feed is not yet updated.
I'm going to assume this is a mistake, and this is still an AG vehicle, and the debranding is just a coincidence, unless Tony advises otherwise.
Confusion because both routes have running boards 46.xx neither has a letter in front like most duplicate service numbers. On the internal system which still works from individual garages there is no problem, but it is confusing the BODS data
Quote from: Tony on August 29, 2021, 06:09:30 PM
Confusion because both routes have running boards 46.xx neither has a letter in front like most duplicate service numbers. On the internal system which still works from individual garages there is no problem, but it is confusing the BODS data
Maybe this 'problem' will correct itself once BusTimes gets the updated list of services via the BODS feed.
41 has been very strange this week. Buses are delayed for 18-30 min and some dont even show up. im guessing this is the same for 46.
Quote from: bbs on September 24, 2021, 09:15:35 PM
41 has been very strange this week. Buses are delayed for 18-30 min and some dont even show up. im guessing this is the same for 46.
Won't be helped by people panic buying at us JS pumps, gave up trying to get food shopping yesterday fosse way was carnage
Not sure but is 6710 on 41 noteworthy? since its usually g1 and alx400
As I walked round onto Stratford Road this evening, 2229 was coming down from Camp Hill quite slowly. Displays showed 'Not In Service', but it was driving with hazard lights on. Which it did all the way down Stratford Road into Sparkhill, from what I could see while following behind on the 3.
Looked it up on BusTimes when I got home, it had done a short journey to Yardley on the 17 then turned round back to city, only to get as far as Bordesley station. No idea what then happened at that point, whether anything had actually happened to the vehicle, or whether it was just adjusted out of service due to late running and back to garage.
But should vehicles be running around with hazard lights flashing?
Was it driving slower than normal, could of been in limp mode and the driver put the hazards on to warn vehicles behind.
If the 41/46 are being withdrawn could we see some ALX400 B7TL at AG being withdrawn
4529 has been on Meadway for a while possibly broken down on the 72
Do the 4 and 4A now interwork during the day between Monday to Saturdays?
Quote from: Jack on January 14, 2022, 10:50:15 PM
Do the 4 and 4A now interwork during the day between Monday to Saturdays?
I think they interwork when the 4A goes to Solihull but on Gospal Oak trips they don't interwork
Quote from: Jack on January 14, 2022, 10:50:15 PM
Do the 4 and 4A now interwork during the day between Monday to Saturdays?
Quote from: BNH2004 on January 14, 2022, 11:26:20 PM
I think they interwork when the 4A goes to Solihull but on Gospal Oak trips they don't interwork
Some journeys do interwork yes.
Saw 1790 I think heading out of City on the Aston Expressway at about 12:45.
Quote from: 2206 on January 19, 2022, 03:59:30 PM
Saw 1790 I think heading out of City on the Aston Expressway at about 12:45.
it was a 11A
Some cones have been placed on Bromford Lane infront of St Margarets Rd stop and the stop by the nursery/Old Bromford Lane (RTI display still not working here to) in Ward End closing the inner lane off. People waiting at the stops but buses aren't stopping there, neither is there a bus stop closed sign on either of the two stops as there certainly should be or temporary stop in place. This is the 11C service only.
Bus stop closed sign telling people the nearest stop is really needed if NX aren't serving these 2 stops.
The floor of 4286 is covered in dog poo this morning and reeks. The bus needs a mop/clean.
Someone probably trodden in it on the way to the bus stop. 10:37 11C Perry Barr to Acocks Green.
4655 on a tow truck on warwick road heading to Acocks green garage
Also very disappointed of AG today, the amount of delay for the 41 is very irratating and on Sundays / Saturdays, 4 should be more double decker as E200mmcs get crowded very easily. And if the E200mmcs are gonna stay at least up the frequency
Quote from: bbs on March 19, 2022, 02:42:15 PM
4655 on a tow truck on warwick road heading to Acocks green garage
Also very disappointed of AG today, the amount of delay for the 41 is very irratating and on Sundays / Saturdays, 4 should be more double decker as E200mmcs get crowded very easily. And if the E200mmcs are gonna stay at least up the frequency
NX has too many single deckers, which route should go single decker to enable doubles on the 4?
Quote from: BK63 YWP on March 19, 2022, 03:19:34 PM
NX has too many single deckers, which route should go single decker to enable doubles on the 4?
Problems in the week would obviously be to many single decks until more double decks join the fleet at some point.
I wonder if the 41 and 46 could use Scanias, as they were cutting them due to low usage not long ago? Or would there be capacity problems?
Though on Sundays the Garage will have more they can use surely?
Quote from: bbs on March 19, 2022, 02:42:15 PM
4655 on a tow truck on warwick road heading to Acocks green garage
Also very disappointed of AG today, the amount of delay for the 41 is very irratating and on Sundays / Saturdays, 4 should be more double decker as E200mmcs get crowded very easily. And if the E200mmcs are gonna stay at least up the frequency
Quote from: 2206 on March 19, 2022, 03:21:22 PM
Problems in the week would obviously be to many single decks until more double decks join the fleet at some point.
I wonder if the 41 and 46 could use Scanias, as they were cutting them due to low usage not long ago? Or would there be capacity problems?
Though on Sundays the Garage will have more they can use surely?
The 41 and 46 principally use vehicles that cannot be used on city centre services.
There aren't enough compliant vehicles to make the 4 / 4A double-deck operated, unless of course you start having more single-decks on the 11A/C, which I'm sure many people wouldn't appreciate.
Quote from: Stu on March 19, 2022, 04:00:42 PM
The 41 and 46 principally use vehicles that cannot be used on city centre services.
There aren't enough compliant vehicles to make the 4 / 4A double-deck operated, unless of course you start having more single-decks on the 11A/C, which I'm sure many people wouldn't appreciate.
If it did use Scanias, then that would mean more 42XX on the 11, then free up some 61XX for some 4 boards.
Single decks on the 11 would be unsuitable I think.
Quote from: 2206 on March 19, 2022, 04:03:55 PM
If it did use Scanias, then that would mean more 42XX on the 11, then free up some 61XX for some 4 boards.
Single decks on the 11 would be unsuitable I think.
Also AG down by 1 bus possibly in addition of 6147 and 6148 could help slightly
Or making the 5 single decker will free platinums and able to go the 4.the 5 dosent get that much people on so single decker could be better
Quote from: bbs on March 19, 2022, 04:23:34 PM
Or making the 5 single decker will free platinums and able to go the 4.the 5 dosent get that much people on so single decker could be better
Don't forget, the 5 was reduced to half-hourly a while back, so regular use of single-decks wouldn't go down well.
The 5 is very well used between city centre and Sparkhill from my own experiences.
Acocks Green have four fewer double deckers than they had about six weeks ago (5 x 42xx withdrawn and 6146 gained)
Quote from: cardew on March 19, 2022, 05:27:27 PM
Acocks Green have four fewer double deckers than they had about six weeks ago (5 x 42xx withdrawn and 6146 gained)
5 withdrawn and only 2 buses gained ( 1815 and 6146 )
4649 broke down by the Olton Tavern about 1650 aswell
2 passengers get on my 11C at harborne today sit behind me drinking their cans of beer or whatever shit they are drinking and then light up a cigarette right behind me. Why should I have to put with this? And I'm sorry to say the 11A/C is the worst route for clientele I have ever had the displeasure of travelling on. I avoid it if at all possible
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 22, 2022, 07:15:13 PM
2 passengers get on my 11C at harborne today sit behind me drinking their cans of beer or whatever shit they are drinking and then light up a cigarette right behind me. Why should I have to put with this? And I'm sorry to say the 11A/C is the worst route for clientele I have ever had the displeasure of travelling on. I avoid it if at all possible
Yep, i smell piss downstairs sometimes and its quite annoying but when you need to use it you just need to
Quote from: bbs on March 22, 2022, 08:32:55 PM
Yep, i smell piss downstairs sometimes and its quite annoying but when you need to use it you just need to
Why don't you use a urinal like everyone else? ;)
My objection is when someone starts to vape and it's one of those esoteric but vomit-worthy flavours like blackberry and apple!! >:( A great pity buses don't have a sprinkler system at the back to douse any smoke detected incident - that would 'extinguish' the perpetrators ;D :D
Presumably a bus with pee on the floor gets a defect report completed by the driver with subsequent
special attention from cleaners? Presumably if bad enough the bus would be swapped at a convenient point? I recall a friend doing a defect report years ago after someone threw up on a PB single deck Fleetline on a private hire (to WMPTE staff - well it was decades ago!!!)
Quote from: don on March 25, 2022, 04:12:24 PM
Presumably a bus with pee on the floor gets a defect report completed by the driver with subsequent
special attention from cleaners? Presumably if bad enough the bus would be swapped at a convenient point? I recall a friend doing a defect report years ago after someone threw up on a PB single deck Fleetline on a private hire (to WMPTE staff - well it was decades ago!!!)
It was a few years ago now, I was on a 31 from Acocks Green, and the driver stopped on Stratford Road in Sparkhill and turfed off all the passengers, because some child had vomited on the lower deck floor. The vehicle had to be taken straight out of service and returned to garage for cleaning.
Vomiting, urine and even worse would result in the vehicle being removed from service and a replacement deployed. That or it'd return to depot to be cleaned.
Less serious but when a fight broke out on a platform of a bus amongst passengers, a can of beer ended up splattered all over the platform and over the assault screen onto me (only a few drops). I then informed control that I'm returning to depot. Went home, got changed, came back to the depot and took a replacement vehicle back out on the road.
Can anyone guess which route it was?
Quote from: MW on March 25, 2022, 08:39:13 PM
Vomiting, urine and even worse would result in the vehicle being removed from service and a replacement deployed. That or it'd return to depot to be cleaned.
Less serious but when a fight broke out on a platform of a bus amongst passengers, a can of beer ended up splattered all over the platform and over the assault screen onto me (only a few drops). I then informed control that I'm returning to depot. Went home, got changed, came back to the depot and took a replacement vehicle back out on the road.
Can anyone guess which route it was?
sounds like the common outer circle stories
AG 41 will be QE Hospital to Heartlands Hospital via Acocks Green from 24th April.
Likely replacing the claribel 36.
Quote from: 2206 on March 28, 2022, 01:30:02 PM
AG 41 will be QE Hospital to Heartlands Hospital via Acocks Green from 24th April.
Likely replacing the claribel 36.
God forbid that stretch finally gets a sensible clockface frequency instead of every 45 mins, even if it gets cut to hourly it'll still be more useful for potential passengers
Quote from: 2206 on March 28, 2022, 01:30:02 PM
AG 41 will be QE Hospital to Heartlands Hospital via Acocks Green from 24th April.
Likely replacing the claribel 36.
Mostly replacing it I would think, certainly for some time I've thought that the 36 could have done with being broken up and incorporated somehow into other routes, as on the few occasions I've seen it its rarely carried many passengers.
Perhaps from Olton Boulevard West, the 41 will then follow the current 36 route to Heartlands Hospital, or maybe some other parts might be missed out, depending on usage.
Curiously, the TfWM website shows a new timetable for the 41 from 24th April, but this shows as still running between QEH and Acocks Green only.
Quote from: Stu on March 28, 2022, 07:25:52 PM
Mostly replacing it I would think, certainly for some time I've thought that the 36 could have done with being broken up and incorporated somehow into other routes, as on the few occasions I've seen it its rarely carried many passengers.
Perhaps from Olton Boulevard West, the 41 will then follow the current 36 route to Heartlands Hospital, or maybe some other parts might be missed out, depending on usage.
Curiously, the TfWM website shows a new timetable for the 41 from 24th April, but this shows as still running between QEH and Acocks Green only.
seems like 46 is also getting a EBSR
From TFWM timetable new 41 route is:
Current 41 from QE to Spring Road, Olton Boulevard East, Shirley Road, Warwick Road, Stockfield Road, Wharfdale Road, Kings Road, etc as 36 route to Heartlands.
604 seems to have variation to route in Sutton out of Sutton via 110 route to Good Hope (Rectory Road).
Quoteseems like 46 is also getting a EBSR
EBSR = "Electronic Bus Service Registration"
That variation will likely be a timetable adjustment, as the 41 it interworks with will be getting an amended timetable.
QuoteFrom TFWM timetable new 41 route is:
Current 41 from QE to Spring Road, Olton Boulevard East, Shirley Road, Warwick Road, Stockfield Road, Wharfdale Road, Kings Road, etc as 36 route to Heartlands.
The 36 did have a bit of a convoluted route through Acocks Green, so I did suspect some lesser-used parts might be omitted.
Quote from: Stu on April 10, 2022, 06:54:44 PMEBSR = "Electronic Bus Service Registration"
That variation will likely be a timetable adjustment, as the 41 it interworks with will be getting an amended timetable.
The 36 did have a bit of a convoluted route through Acocks Green, so I did suspect some lesser-used parts might be omitted.
So probably the onslow road part and Knights road stops note to be served although onslow road did have a few people using it for the 36
Quote from: bbs on April 11, 2022, 12:04:58 AMSo probably the onslow road part and Knights road stops note to be served although onslow road did have a few people using it for the 36
2206 has already confirmed the new route above.
Has 4528 been withdrawn?
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/278453?date=2022-03-21#
Quote from: 2206 on April 15, 2022, 08:59:44 PMHas 4528 been withdrawn?
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/278453?date=2022-03-21#
I don't think
@Tony mentioned anything about 4528s withdrawal
Quote from: bbs on April 16, 2022, 12:09:50 AMI don't think @Tony mentioned anything about 4528s withdrawal
4528; 4653 AG-Withdrawn
Quote from: BN on April 16, 2022, 06:46:20 AM4528; 4653 AG-Withdrawn
Strange to see 4653 withdrawal, was there any reason behind this
QuoteStrange to see 4653 withdrawal, was there any reason behind this
It's nearly 18 years old, not euro 6 needs expenditure
Is the new S16 service able to have DDs? Or will it have the same allocation as the 32
Quote from: bbs on April 24, 2022, 11:55:24 AMIs the new S16 service able to have DDs? Or will it have the same allocation as the 32
Answered already here: https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=204.msg300106#msg300106
Quote from: Tony on March 29, 2022, 08:22:10 PMIt's going to be operated by the peak board on the 73 route from AG
Alright thanks
I noticed yesterday afternoon 4279 tracking on the 11C on bustimes.org but shown as a purplish livery. Was this just an error or has something changed?
Quote from: don on April 26, 2022, 10:20:41 AMI noticed yesterday afternoon 4279 tracking on the 11C on bustimes.org but shown as a purplish livery. Was this just an error or has something changed?
It has an overall ad for Sealife
It's in an allover advert livery for the Sea Life Centre, and although the contract is quite short will probably remain as such until withdrawn
Thanks Tony/ BNH2004.
I thought it might be but then wondered if a 'Platinum Jubilee' bus had been sneaked in!! There again hardly likely on such an old bus...
Quote from: Tony on April 26, 2022, 11:29:30 AMIt's in an allover advert livery for the Sea Life Centre, and although the contract is quite short will probably remain as such until withdrawn
4286 has had an allover ad for several years now. Presumably that one will be withdrawn with that one on to?
The Whole 41 and 46 being operated by omnilinks. 6701 is there but is the only double decker. Is 41 going to be omnilink because of the tight corner on Berkeley Road
Quote from: bbs on April 26, 2022, 03:48:33 PMThe Whole 41 and 46 being operated by omnilinks. 6701 is there but is the only double decker. Is 41 going to be omnilink because of the tight corner on Berkeley Road
It was Double Deckers yesterday...
Quote from: Jack on April 26, 2022, 03:49:27 PMIt was Double Deckers yesterday...
Yeah i seen but today its all omnilink
Quote from: bbs on April 26, 2022, 03:49:55 PMYeah i seen but today its all omnilink
It's not as 6701 is on there, as you've just said...
Quote from: Jack on April 26, 2022, 03:55:49 PMIt's not as 6701 is on there, as you've just said...
1 double decker mate
Quote from: bbs on April 26, 2022, 04:06:23 PM1 double decker mate
Well then it's not 'all' Omnilink then? Use your common sense... The tight turn you was on about has seen Deckers and full size Singles before so I don't see why either types at AG won't be used.
A decker will be easier to get round a tight turn than an OmniLink as well
Quote from: don on April 26, 2022, 10:20:41 AMI noticed yesterday afternoon 4279 tracking on the 11C on bustimes.org but shown as a purplish livery. Was this just an error or has something changed?
Someone (or a group of people) have been going over the top with the livery indicators on BusTimes.
It wasn't enough to just have basic 'Platinum', 'Crimson' and 'Old' (red/white), someone started adding all sorts of specific route-branded and livery-branded icons, which now just makes the map look a confusing mess to be honest.
In the case of 4279, looking at the pending edits, this bus has now been changed to a blue livery indicator because it has a "Sealife all-over advert".
Please, just stop it! :undecided:
Quote from: Stu on April 26, 2022, 06:38:07 PMSomeone (or a group of people) have been going over the top with the livery indicators on BusTimes.
It wasn't enough to just have basic 'Platinum', 'Crimson' and 'Old' (red/white), someone started adding all sorts of specific route-branded and livery-branded icons, which now just makes the map look a confusing mess to be honest.
In the case of 4279, looking at the pending edits, this bus has now been changed to a blue livery indicator because it has a "Sealife all-over advert".
Please, just stop it! :undecided:
I tend to disagree
@Stu - I find them quite useful as an enthusiast, but more importantly as a bus passenger using the site - it's useful to be able to see the livery of the vehicle you're waiting for, especially when you're at a stop with multiple regular services. I use the site regularly as both.
Quote from: Jack on April 26, 2022, 05:08:09 PMWell then it's not 'all' Omnilink then? Use your common sense... The tight turn you was on about has seen Deckers and full size Singles before so I don't see why either types at AG won't be used.
It would be nice not to show your attitude over a small thing mate. I included 6701 in there's nothing to show your attitude about.
Quote from: Stu on April 26, 2022, 06:38:07 PMSomeone (or a group of people) have been going over the top with the livery indicators on BusTimes.
It wasn't enough to just have basic 'Platinum', 'Crimson' and 'Old' (red/white), someone started adding all sorts of specific route-branded and livery-branded icons, which now just makes the map look a confusing mess to be honest.
In the case of 4279, looking at the pending edits, this bus has now been changed to a blue livery indicator because it has a "Sealife all-over advert".
Please, just stop it! :undecided:
Its confusing but helpful
Quote from: Jack on April 26, 2022, 05:08:09 PMWell then it's not 'all' Omnilink then? Use your common sense... The tight turn you was on about has seen Deckers and full size Singles before so I don't see why either types at AG won't be use
Quote from: bbs on April 26, 2022, 08:17:38 PMIt would be nice not to show your attitude over a small thing mate. I included 6701 in there's nothing to show your attitude about.
I was just about to post the same
@bbs - by all means politely make a point by no need to be rude.
Nice to see
@Jack has lost none of his effervescent charm on the forum!
Just went on 1802 on 41. I can see the demand has increased today which is a great thing to see. Although the delays are very annoying now. 20-30 min delays
Quote from: BBS on April 30, 2022, 04:22:54 PMJust went on 1802 on 41. I can see the demand has increased today which is a great thing to see. Although the delays are very annoying now. 20-30 min delays
Don't exaggerate please. According to BusTimes, the 14:00 41 departure from QEH left one minute late and arrived at Heartlands 15 minutes late:
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/279178?date=2022-04-30#journeys/253834470
Delays are being caused because of increased traffic in Sparkhill, probably more so due to Eid shoppers.
Quote from: Stu on April 30, 2022, 07:12:51 PMDon't exaggerate please. According to BusTimes, the 14:00 41 departure from QEH left one minute late and arrived at Heartlands 15 minutes late:
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/279178?date=2022-04-30#journeys/253834470
Delays are being caused because of increased traffic in Sparkhill, probably more so due to Eid shoppers.
Ive been using google maps and it shows that 1802 was 24 minutes late so im not exaggerating. And yeah probably eid shopping 6 and 4 especially crowded
6137 was a victim of an arson attack on Stoney Lane while on the 11C today
https://www.facebook.com/groups/YardleyWoodBusClub/permalink/5309313215795376/
What is wrong with people?...?..
Quote from: BNH2004 on June 04, 2022, 04:04:57 PM6137 was a victim of an arson attack on Stoney Lane while on the 11C today
https://www.facebook.com/groups/YardleyWoodBusClub/permalink/5309313215795376/
driver said it was a group of boys upstairs driver was shaken up by it hands were trembling whilst he was holding the duty board but honestly all hands up too him for getting all passengers off the bus safely and even trying too go and extinguish the fire with the on board fire extinguisher nothing else the driver could've done in that moment the fire was out of control spreaded very quickly
Quote from: monkeyjoe on June 04, 2022, 05:34:26 PMWhat is wrong with people?...?..
Their just messed up. Quite a big loss for Acocks Green.
" 72A Withdrawn. Service 72 route extended and summer timetable". Effective 24th July.
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/666
Quote from: 2206 on June 06, 2022, 10:50:40 AM" 72A Withdrawn. Service 72 route extended and summer timetable". Effective 24th July.
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/666
Has the 72 always Been serving tile cross or is that the extension. Please don't start on me just for asking this
Quote from: BBS on June 06, 2022, 04:44:46 PMHas the 72 always Been serving tile cross or is that the extension. Please don't start on me just for asking this
Yes I think it has.
I think the 71 used to go via The Radleys 17 route in the past. Then it was take off that route and sent via The Mackadown like the 72 and sent via Bosworth Drive instead of Marston Green as well.
The extension could be it continuing from Chelmsley or Solihull Station somewhere? Maybe it will replace the 14 on Yorkminster Drive (Old 97A bit).
Could it be re routed back to Birmingham - during the changes in 2017 it was proposed to take over 56 and divert through shard end then bromford into brum - or maybe the airport via 14 route. (Current 14 route could go marston green via current 72A route into chelmsley) wouldn't imagine it would be extended in any other way?
My money is on a swap with the 97 or 14 for the Chemsley terminal
its extended to Yorkminster Drive along the current 14 route. The 14 will now terminate at Chelmsley Wood
Quote from: Jack D on June 06, 2022, 09:43:14 PMCould it be re routed back to Birmingham - during the changes in 2017 it was proposed to take over 56 and divert through shard end then bromford into brum - or maybe the airport via 14 route. (Current 14 route could go marston green via current 72A route into chelmsley) wouldn't imagine it would be extended in any other way?
In regards to Birmingham the 94/95, 14, 97, X12/X13 all go there, all of which serve different places along the way.
Why would the 72 need to go there as well.
The 14 going via Marston Green into Chelmsley, that would miss out Chapelhouse Road. I doubt Berwicks Lane has much passenger usage, off peak (10-2) it has a A10.
Quote from: cris 99 on June 06, 2022, 10:37:36 PMits extended to Yorkminster Drive along the current 14 route. The 14 will now terminate at Chelmsley Wood
That'll help with the 14's reliability issues, as that route gets stuck in traffic so much.
Quote from: GoldenSquid on June 07, 2022, 05:35:17 PMThat'll help with the 14's reliability issues, as that route gets stuck in traffic so much.
Usually in Saltley
Quote from: BBS on June 07, 2022, 08:03:43 PMUsually in Saltley
Quote from: 2206 on June 07, 2022, 08:37:11 PMAlum Rock I think.
To be honest it's both of them normally Alum Rock tho.
forgot to mention it will be single deck operated and running from Perry Barr due to diversion in saltley for HS2
Quote from: cris 99 on June 08, 2022, 12:26:22 AMforgot to mention it will be single deck operated and running from Perry Barr due to diversion in saltley for HS2
I thought that isn't happening till next year now?
Quote from: cris 99 on June 08, 2022, 12:26:22 AMforgot to mention it will be single deck operated and running from Perry Barr due to diversion in saltley for HS2
Saltley Viaduct isn't being demolished until 2024
Quote from: Gareth on June 08, 2022, 08:31:24 AMSaltley Viaduct isn't being demolished until 2024
Does that not mean it could stay as double deck trident/E400 operated. Or if it went to Perry Barr in swap for the rest of the 94/95's B7TL Gemini till then.
2206 now back at AG in the new variant of platinum livery
NXWM 2206 (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/2201-2250/2206.html)
So what routes will this be used on? And does it have next stop announcements if it appears on platinum routes?
Quote from: Jack D on June 17, 2022, 07:20:56 PMSo what routes will this be used on? And does it have next stop announcements if it appears on platinum routes?
Probably the same single-deck operated routes it usually appears on.
Its only had a repaint, none of the E200s have next-stop equipment installed.
QuoteSo what routes will this be used on? And does it have next stop announcements if it appears on platinum routes?
It will be used on exactly the same routes as all the others, and no it doesn't have next stop
Quote from: Jack D on June 17, 2022, 07:20:56 PMSo what routes will this be used on? And does it have next stop announcements if it appears on platinum routes?
Common routes like the 4/4A, 17, 58.
Sometimes on the 1, 41, 46 & 32
is 6137 FINISHED then ?
or can she be fixed
Quote from: BBS on June 17, 2022, 10:41:31 PMCommon routes like the 4/4A, 17, 58.
Sometimes on the 1, 41, 46 & 32
It's never on the 41 or 46, those are banned off those. Not rare to see them appear on the 72 either, especially during the Peak extras.
Quote from: SUNDAY.BASH on June 18, 2022, 12:05:07 AMis 6137 FINISHED then ?
or can she be fixed
I don't think there much left of it
QuoteIt's never on the 41 or 46, those are banned off those. Not rare to see them appear on the 72 either, especially during the Peak extras.
Why are they banned?
Quote from: mesub on June 18, 2022, 09:54:57 PMWhy are they banned?
They can't get round some corners because of the turning circle, hence why none have appeared since the 41 extension!
Are they also banned off the S16 too as I've never one to be used there either.
Quote from: Jack on June 19, 2022, 01:15:09 AMThey can't get round some corners because of the turning circle, hence why none have appeared since the 41 extension!
Are they also banned off the S16 too as I've never one to be used there either.
How come the platinums are banned but the standard spec MMCs aren't?
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 19, 2022, 10:52:29 AMHow come the platinums are banned but the standard spec MMCs aren't?
They aren't? E200MMC's are banned not the E400MMC's.
Quote from: Gareth on June 18, 2022, 09:00:23 AMI don't think there much left of it
shame, i like the 61xx rode the first ones on the 9 as soon as they were released, but oh my the state some are in, i see the, on the 11, often makin weird noises
Quote from: Jack on June 19, 2022, 01:47:26 PMThey aren't? E200MMC's are banned not the E400MMC's.
Ohhh. I see
Quote from: Sh4318 on June 19, 2022, 10:52:29 AMHow come the platinums are banned but the standard spec MMCs aren't?
Their not there are platinums on the 41 often and why would they be banned if the 61** arent
Quote from: BK63 YWP on June 21, 2022, 02:12:32 PMLooks like NX are using deckers on the 4/4A whilst the 22** are on the 72s during today's strike.
I wonder when Coventry's diesel cascade happens if the 4 may receive some platinum deckers though with the 100 hydrogens and the amount of electrics coming to Coventry I doubt the tridents have long left
The 72 is a right mix of buses today, the 73 is also solid Singles as well. May as well note the 72's reliability is awful today, buses are running at most 30 minutes late.
QuoteThe 72 is a right mix of buses today, the 73 is also solid Singles as well. May as well note the 72's reliability is awful today, buses are running at most 30 minutes late.
Are the roadworks at Sheldon still causing havoc? They were last week the chelmsley wood bound 72s were getting caught up in it as the roadworks started a few 10 yds after the major junction with the A45 and lode lane
Quote from: BK63 YWP on June 21, 2022, 02:21:21 PMAre the roadworks at Sheldon still causing havoc? They were last week the chelmsley wood bound 72s were getting caught up in it as the roadworks started a few 10 yds after the major junction with the A45 and lode lane
RTC on A45 near Arden Oak caused delays to most services in Sheldon today!
If anyone looking for 2206 i just saw it cross Coventry road on the 72 heading to Solihull
When the 11 was split at Acocks Green it was said that if you buy a single ticket on the first bus you don't need to buy a second one when changing at AG Garage, that was at the time it was split? Is that still the case
@Tony? Or have things changed since?
https://outercirclebus.com/outer-circle-split/
4286 has finally lost its Greatest Hits advert seen on 72 this morning,
Driver of 1803 found himself a bit 'stuck' earlier this evening.
Looks like he was on a late-running 4A journey towards Birmingham that had been turned short at Sparkbrook.
As I passed by on the 2, I could see he had tried turning into Mole Street from Stratford Road, but got stuck due to a van and some other inconsiderately-parked motorist, who wouldn't yield (ie reverse back) so the bigger vehicle could complete its manoeuvre.
Eventually after a minute or so, with the rear end of the Scania blocking the carriageway, the driver of the 4 just ahead of us was able to guide the driver of 1803 to reverse back safely to adjust his approach into Mole Street, at which point the car driver decided to move out the way, cue papping of horn and angry hand gestures!
I guess what would normally happen is that services would be terminated at the Stoney Lane stop, at which point vehicles would go left onto Highgate Road and then onto Mole Street to then turn back onto the Stratford Road. But it didn't help matters that the left-hand turn slip road had been blocked off by contractors, though no work was being done.
A grim situation for the driver of 1803. A pity the car driver was so stubborn.
I have noticed buses turning or starting short running via Highgate Road and Mole Street, to take up service again on the Stratford Road - the old 36 turning arrangement lives on!
Quote from: Justin Tyme on July 04, 2022, 08:41:45 PMA grim situation for the driver of 1803. A pity the car driver was so stubborn.
I have noticed buses turning or starting short running via Highgate Road and Mole Street, to take up service again on the Stratford Road - the old 36 turning arrangement lives on!
isn't that turn a bit tight though? Can E200mmcs do it but to be honest drivers usually in Sparkhill/Sparkbrook just want their ways clear if you know what i mean
Quote from: BBS on July 04, 2022, 11:41:04 PMisn't that turn a bit tight though? Can E200mmcs do it but to be honest drivers usually in Sparkhill/Sparkbrook just want their ways clear if you know what i mean
No, if it was I doubt buses would be turned round there would they...
The implication here is to not have the drivers try to turn around in Sparkbrook. I got stuck there last week for over an hour because someone just decided to park their car in the middle of the road and then disappear. Someone had to phone him up for him to be delivered by another car just to move his car out of the way. The parking around there is atrocious.
Has the 41 been decreased to every 2 hours? It seems like it misses a couple journeys now
Quote from: BBS on August 06, 2022, 04:33:47 PMHas the 41 been decreased to every 2 hours? It seems like it misses a couple journeys now
No it hasn't
QuoteHas the 41 been decreased to every 2 hours? It seems like it misses a couple journeys now
I presume you are at home watching bus times, not actually waiting for one, as all the missing journies were operated by 1810 which doesn't track on bustimes.
QuoteI presume you are at home watching bus times, not actually waiting for one, as all the missing journies were operated by 1810 which doesn't track on bustimes
Actually i wasnt home watching bus times, instead i waiting for a 41. Last week same issue happened so it must have been 1810 not tracking.
QuoteActually i wasnt home watching bus times, instead i waiting for a 41. Last week same issue happened so it must have been 1810 not tracking.
Well if you were waiting for one. Then it turned up because every one ran today, so you would know there isn't a two hour gap in the timetable
QuoteWell if you were waiting for one. Then it turned up because every one ran today, so you would know there isn't a two hour gap in the timetable
Right okay
QuoteRight okay
Well which journey didn't run then?
6835 on the 4, missed these smart hybrids at AG
Quote6835 on the 4, missed these smart hybrids at AG
AG have never had 'smart hybrids' (The 75xx aren't) and as you cannot tell the difference not sure how you could have missed them.
QuoteAG have never had 'smart hybrids' (The 75xx aren't) and as you cannot tell the difference not sure how you could have missed them.
Ohhh i thought the 75** were smart hybrids apologies.
Quote from: Tony on September 03, 2022, 10:09:55 AMAG have never had 'smart hybrids' (The 75xx aren't) and as you cannot tell the difference not sure how you could have missed them.
So are 6893 - 6999 the only Smart Hybrids NXWM have or is the list a bit different? Are the rest plain normal diesels?
Honestly I thought the main difference was to do with the extra small grille above the main grille on the OS of the buses (https://imgur.com/a/wnJYrpg)
Leading me to think that some of the 68**s were retrofitted with smart hybridness (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6885.html)
If that isn't the case, were these just simple replacement parts?
QuoteSo are 6893 - 6999 the only Smart Hybrids NXWM have or is the list a bit different? Are the rest plain normal diesels?
Honestly I thought the main difference was to do with the extra small grille above the main grille on the OS of the buses (https://imgur.com/a/wnJYrpg)
Leading me to think that some of the 68**s were retrofitted with smart hybridness (http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6885.html)
If that isn't the case, were these just simple replacement parts?
All '67 reg Platinums onwards are smart hybrids. The '67 reg batch was retrofitted with smart hybrid technology not too long after they entered service (as there was a news post on the nxbus website when they launched back in 2017).
QuoteAll '67 reg Platinums onwards are smart hybrids. The '67 reg batch was retrofitted with smart hybrid technology not too long after they entered service (as there was a news post on the nxbus website when they launched back in 2017).
They're not. Some of the 67s were never done. And it was not fitted to the last order
On the 6855-92 BC batch, those that have been retrofitted are identifiable by the amended offside engine bay grille / vent arrangement. However, as stated there are a few which were never completed and still have the original arrangement - 6863 is one which I think was never done.
4301 out on the 11 today
Rumours of its demise were greatly exaggerated
Quote from: BBS on September 03, 2022, 09:57:09 AM6835 on the 4, missed these smart hybrids at AG
Quote from: Tony on September 03, 2022, 10:09:55 AMAG have never had 'smart hybrids' (The 75xx aren't) and as you cannot tell the difference not sure how you could have missed them.
Forgive my ignorance, as I've not heard of this term before, but what are 'smart hybrids'?
I've heard of 'micro-hybrids', otherwise known as 'start-stop'.
QuoteForgive my ignorance, as I've not heard of this term before, but what are 'smart hybrids'?
I've heard of 'micro-hybrids', otherwise known as 'start-stop'.
Smart Hybrids save some energy from braking to use in a small motor to help pulling away the next time.#
Micro-Hybrids save energy to use in auxiliary equipment such as wipers, doors etc instead of using hydraulic or air operation. This takes some strain off the engine improving fuel consumption.
Stop start is separate and does not indicate a bus is either.
Quote from: Tony on September 05, 2022, 05:47:07 PMSmart Hybrids save some energy from braking to use in a small motor to help pulling away the next time.#
Micro-Hybrids save energy to use in auxiliary equipment such as wipers, doors etc instead of using hydraulic or air operation. This takes some strain off the engine improving fuel consumption.
Stop start is separate and does not indicate a bus is either.
Thanks for the info, I may have been mistaken about 'micro-hybrids' and stop-start, but I don't recall anything about NX utilising 'smart hybrid' in any of their Platinum vehicles, hence why the term was unfamiliar to me.
QuoteThey're not. Some of the 67s were never done. And it was not fitted to the last order
Oh? How come?
2209 now unbranded? Im guessing the 4/4A will lose the branding. Please correct if wrong
Quote from: BBS on September 07, 2022, 08:39:32 PM2209 now unbranded? Im guessing the 4/4A will lose the branding. Please correct if wrong
It's in repaint at WA
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/2201-2250/2209.html
QuoteIt's in replant at WA
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/2201-2250/2209.html
So will it retain its branding?
Quote from: BBS on September 07, 2022, 09:00:45 PMSo will it retain its branding?
The other buses will retain the branding until repaint or unless it is needed to be debranded before repaint
But currently any bus that goes in for repaint it will loose its branding
QuoteThe other buses will retain the branding until repaint or unless it is needed to be debranded before repaint
But currently any bus that goes in for repaint it will loose its branding
Oh right.
Heavy slow moving congestion on Bromford Lane between Fox and Goose and Bromford Bridge this afternoon. Looks like the 11A has had large delays to the service.
6121 and 6141 were stuck there for an hour according to the tracking.
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/278497?date=2022-09-16#journeys/310223700
Quote from: 2206 on September 16, 2022, 06:28:45 PMHeavy slow moving congestion on Bromford Lane between Fox and Goose and Bromford Bridge this afternoon. Looks like the 11A has had large delays to the service.
6121 and 6141 were stuck there for an hour according to the tracking.
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/278497?date=2022-09-16#journeys/310223700
If you look, its the same everywhere! Stratford Road was almost at a standstill earlier when I travelled along it.
Quote from: ellspurs on September 16, 2022, 07:44:41 PMWhen I was driving back from Bridgnorth at about 10.30am, the police had the traffic held on the M6 at J4a. Dunno how long it was held for but people would've been coming off at J4 to seek alternative routes.
Likewise, the M42 south was severely congested between J8 and J6 going south at about 2pm when I was coming home. Bad day out on the roads throughout.
Why is this in Acocks green section
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on September 16, 2022, 08:15:30 PMWhy is this in Acocks green section
Presumably because AG supplies the buses for route 11A.
Yesterday I saw an 11 Branded E400MMC 61** and a Gemini both showing Queen Elizabeth II EIIR Thank you Ma'am on the blinds at the Drews Lane/Bromford Lane (anticlockwise) lights around 9:25am. I was waiting on the Farnhurst Road side of the lights waiting to go across and read the blind as I passed the bus. Is this there instead on the Not in Service notice until the funeral on Monday? Or just something to honour the death of the queen as I found it a really great gesture from NXWM. Have not seen any other garage showing this as of yet, just wondering that is all
Quote from: Squiz1971 on September 17, 2022, 05:07:57 PMYesterday I saw an 11 Branded E400MMC 61** and a Gemini both showing Queen Elizabeth II EIIR and I think We're thinking of you on the blinds at the Drews Lane/Bromford Lane (anticlockwise) lights around 9:25am. I was waiting on the Farnhurst Road side of the lights waiting to go across and read the blind as I passed the bus. Is this there instead on the Not in Service notice until the funeral on Monday? Or just something to honour the death of the queen as I found it a really great gesture from NXWM. Have not seen any other garage showing this as of yet, just wondering that is all
This was mentioned in another topic here:
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?msg=304248
Quote from: Stu on September 17, 2022, 05:10:55 PMThis was mentioned in another topic here:
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?msg=304248
Yes
@Stu just read about it in the PB thread and I changed part of my text to read what I actually read on the blind
Good driver on 6116 today on the 11A. He was very friendly to all passengers boarding and alighting. And clearly doing the job to a high standard.
On the same journey Romanian man and woman walked straight on the bus at Tyburn Road without presenting a valid ticket. Driver called them back but they just sat hiding behind the wall in the pushchair area, speaking to each other in their language, seemingly pretending they couldn't hear/understand the driver calling them back. Driver switched the engine off. After several minutes they came back swearing, making hand gestures, and being abusive as they got off. The man was banging on the door after the driver shut them. Sadly, suspect they tried their luck on the next bus.
This was the 11:47 to Perry Barr.
Is there a idea of when the outer circle will come back together. Its quite annoying having to wait for a 11A or C that actually goes to Somewhere other than Acocks green and turning into a 11C or 11A
Quote from: BBS on October 02, 2022, 05:17:43 PMIs there a idea of when the outer circle will come back together. Its quite annoying having to wait for a 11A or C that actually goes to Somewhere other than Acocks green and turning into a 11C or 11A
I hope doesn't, in fact I think it would benefit passengers if the 11A's that terminate in Perry Barr could load at One Stop for 11C journeys going back to Acocks Green, I think passengers would like that.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on October 02, 2022, 05:25:37 PMI hope doesn't, in fact I think it would benefit passengers if the 11A's that terminate in Perry Barr could load at One Stop for 11C journeys going back to Acocks Green, I think passengers would like that.
When I was there the 11A's were terminating outside the station.
I believe a lot of passengers travel through Accoks Green onwards to/from Fox Hollies/Hall Green/Kings Heath, who are now turfed off at Acocks Green to wait for another bus. There is also the confusing bus stop situation at Erdington Six Ways continuing where the 11A and 11C to Acocks Green load at the same stop. The 11A should go back to its stop on Wood End Road.
When it was first introduced it was said that it would be temporary until roadworks at Perry Barr have finished. Since then roadworks have finished and there has been 0 communication to passengers and so it appears never ending.
QuoteWhen I was there the 11A's were terminating outside the station.
I believe a lot of passengers travel through Accoks Green onwards to/from Fox Hollies/Hall Green/Kings Heath, who are now turfed off at Acocks Green to wait for another bus. There is also the confusing bus stop situation at Erdington Six Ways continuing where the 11A and 11C to Acocks Green load at the same stop. The 11A should go back to its stop on Wood End Road.
When it was first introduced it was said that it would be temporary until roadworks at Perry Barr have finished. Since then roadworks have finished and there has been 0 communication to passengers and so it appears never ending.
Quite annoying for someone who needs the 11 to go to work or schools.
Yes this may be a hindrance to you but the other 95%, not affected by this, of the Outer Circle route may well have improved in reliability since the changes. So perhaps they have decided to stick with the changes as it has made a positive difference for most passengers using the service???
Quote from: 2206 on October 02, 2022, 06:10:37 PMThere is also the confusing bus stop situation at Erdington Six Ways continuing where the 11A and 11C to Acocks Green load at the same stop. The 11A should go back to its stop on Wood End Road.
I think this is the most confusing bit for passengers, I am not sure why it overlaps there but not on the Acocks Green side.
QuoteI think this is the most confusing bit for passengers, I am not sure why it overlaps there but not on the Acocks Green side.
At Acocks green a 11A comes and changes to 11C, and same for 11C to 11A
Quote from: 2206 on October 02, 2022, 06:10:37 PMWhen I was there the 11A's were terminating outside the station.
I believe a lot of passengers travel through Accoks Green onwards to/from Fox Hollies/Hall Green/Kings Heath, who are now turfed off at Acocks Green to wait for another bus.
In my experience, having to change buses at Acocks Green has never been a major problem for me, even on a Sunday there's usually only a wait of a few minutes.
Quote from: j789 on October 02, 2022, 09:52:13 PMYes this may be a hindrance to you but the other 95%, not affected by this, of the Outer Circle route may well have improved in reliability since the changes. So perhaps they have decided to stick with the changes as it has made a positive difference for most passengers using the service???
I don't think its made much difference to reliability to be honest, you still have them running in convoys, just this evening there were three 11As following each other towards Acocks Green on Yardley Wood Road in Billesley, with another one not far ahead of them!
Looks like Acocks Green have rushed 4667 into service. The blue and white livery is complete with its National Express Coventry fleetnames.
Quote from: 2206 on October 06, 2022, 03:51:52 PMLooks like Acocks Green have rushed 4667 into service. The blue and white livery is complete with its National Express Coventry fleetnames.
There was a Coventry blue and white double decker on the West Bromwich 45 service today.
Quote from: PB50 on October 06, 2022, 09:48:42 PMThere was a Coventry blue and white double decker on the West Bromwich 45 service today.
As far as I know, WB don't have any blue and white deckers from Coventry. 4767 in Blueson was on the 45 earlier
QuoteThere was a Coventry blue and white double decker on the West Bromwich 45 service today.
West Bromwich haven't got any Blue and White Geminis unless a Transfer was made without mention but highly doubt that. It must have been the E400s from CV
Quote from: 2206 on October 06, 2022, 03:51:52 PMLooks like Acocks Green have rushed 4667 into service. The blue and white livery is complete with its National Express Coventry fleetnames.
Yeah noticed it in Chelmsley Wood today, doing the 72s.
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Quote1790 on 11C outer circle today according to bustimes
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/tnxb-1790?date=2022-10-07#journeys/319199628
@AGPlaysMC that's great but did you see it in service?
Quote from: 2206 on October 06, 2022, 03:51:52 PMLooks like Acocks Green have rushed 4667 into service. The blue and white livery is complete with its National Express Coventry fleetnames.
Quote from: GoldenSquid on October 07, 2022, 12:26:43 PMYeah noticed it in Chelmsley Wood today, doing the 72s.
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If NXC branded 4667 is found working on the likes of NXWM 72 service, a route that uses facilities within Solihull AQPS, does 4667 currently meet the following Solihull AQPS regulation – active since Nov 2017?
Quote from: WM Bus Alliance 26-Nov-20172 VEHICLE STANDARDS
2.7 Presentation
2.7.2 No vehicles are to be used which remain in a livery belonging to a previous operator under any circumstances or bear any previous operator's branding or other information.
source (pdf) (https://www.tfwm.org.uk/media/jwymnk1v/solihull-apqs.pdf)
QuoteIf NXC branded 4667 is found working on the likes of NXWM 72 service, a route that uses facilities within Solihull AQPS, does 4667 currently meet the following Solihull AQPS regulation – active since Nov 2017?
Yes, 4667 is euro 6 hence why it was chosen for transfer
QuoteIf NXC branded 4667 is found working on the likes of NXWM 72 service, a route that uses facilities within Solihull AQPS, does 4667 currently meet the following Solihull AQPS regulation – active since Nov 2017?
Ah, but NX Coventry is part of NX West Midlands, and the NX Coventry old livery is a current fleet livery of the National Express Group, therefore 4667 is in a livery of its current owner...
Therefore I would assume it is compliant with requirement 2.7.2.
Previous operators livery would be something like when Sunny Travels darts were roaming round the 71E still with Uno livery and Uno fleetnames on (or when Travel Express had their Carlyle bodied darts still with Hansons fleetnames)
Quote from: BBS on October 10, 2022, 05:44:31 PM6132 - S16
It wasn't even on their it wasn't on anything
Quote from: Bethhart2022 on October 10, 2022, 08:04:57 PMIt wasn't even on their it wasn't on anything
I think
@BBS is not looking closely enough at BusTimes!
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/tnxb-6132?date=2022-10-10#
QuoteIt wasn't even on their it wasn't on anything
It was on running board S16-01, but for the 73s that are on that running board in the afternoon
QuoteIt was on running board S16-01, but for the 73s that are on that running board in the afternoon
Oh Right, my bad. Apologies.
QuoteOh Right, my bad. Apologies.
Please, as per forum rules only report what yo actually see or know, not what appears on bustimes or elsewhere without confirmation
NXC livery 4672 travelled the full length of the 94 from Fox & Goose to City. On a dead run from Erdington to Selly Oak via Ward End, Washwood Heath, Saltley, City Centre, Bournbrook.
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/tcvw-cv-4672?date=2022-11-01#journeys/331238751
Not sure why as bus times suggests it was on the school board and arrived in Erdington on time to run the 16:17 out of Erdington. But not a bus I was expecting to see on the Washwood Heath Road.
It has also since gained red NXWM fleetnames. The 2 I saw in Solihull & Hobs Moat Road on the 72 earlier today, both had Coventry ones. Possibly one of the same and they've been changed during the day.
Are the recent EX PB Geminis euro 6?
QuoteAre the recent EX PB Geminis euro 6?
Yes, or they wouldn't have been at PB, because all their DD routes come into Birmingham
QuoteYes, or they wouldn't have been at PB, because all their DD routes come into Birmingham
They should be allowed to go on the 4/4A and 41/46 right?
Quote from: BBS on November 04, 2022, 05:27:51 PMThey should be allowed to go on the 4/4A and 41/46 right?
You don't half ask some silly questions! :rolleyes:
Read Tony's reply again and have a think about it!
QuoteYou don't half ask some silly questions! :rolleyes:
Read Tony's reply again and have a think about it!
I understood what he said. I was meant to say that why don't they go on euro 6 routes if their euro 6.
QuoteI understood what he said. I was meant to say that why don't they go on euro 6 routes if their euro 6.
They do, the 72 and 73 are Euro 6 routes
Quote from: BBS on November 04, 2022, 05:27:51 PMThey should be allowed to go on the 4/4A and 41/46 right?
4493 ex PB is working the 4/4A today.
Helps with extra passengers likely to use the 4 & X2 services today due to no trains I guess as well.
Quite a strange one today.
1806 shows on bus times as a 41. Next thing you see is not in service. 1796 then shows as on the 41 to alum rock and instead goes down wake green road and takes the outer circle way to Acocks green. Does this happen on other routes too?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 18, 2022, 06:13:06 PM4640 is on AG5.
I thought Geminis were banned from the 5, is this no longer the case?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 18, 2022, 06:13:06 PM4640 is on AG5.
Now that's interesting!
AG had to stop using Geminis on the 5 a few years ago due to the height restriction for the railway bridge on Robin Hood Lane in Hall Green.
I know that Robin Hood Lane has recently been resurfaced, so I'm wondering now if the works were carried out in such a way that the height restriction under that bridge has been changed?
Quote from: Stu on November 18, 2022, 07:14:41 PMNow that's interesting!
AG had to stop using Geminis on the 5 a few years ago due to the height restriction for the railway bridge on Robin Hood Lane in Hall Green.
I know that Robin Hood Lane has recently been resurfaced, so I'm wondering now if the works were carried out in such a way that the height restriction under that bridge has been changed?
I had to double take when it pulled into Birmingham! Had a ride on it to Solihull, and the bridge in question is still 14ft 3". It got under it though, although was bashing a few branches on the route. Got swapped with 6108 once it got to Solihull.
QuoteI had to double take when it pulled into Birmingham! Had a ride on it to Solihull, and the bridge in question is still 14ft 3". It got under it though, although was bashing a few branches on the route. Got swapped with 6108 once it got to Solihull.
It's probably the resurfacing that helped up a little. Outer circle also has loads of branches that the buses hit
6121 swapped off the 11 this morning with 6703 taking over as apparently someone "weed on the seats at the back".
Quote6121 swapped off the 11 this morning with 6703 taking over as apparently someone "weed on the seats at the back".
Pretty common tbh
4641/4652 have both disappeared off bus times. Another 2 withdrawn?
1797 hasn't tracked since 10th August. What has happend to the bus?
Quote from: BBS on December 04, 2022, 06:37:27 PM4494 - 4
Saw that yesterday when I was on the 60 into town
Well shocked to see the 41/46 58 will be operated by Stagecoach from january be weird seeing Stagecoach in Northfield and Yardley
Quote from: cris 99 on December 08, 2022, 09:12:02 PMWell shocked to see the 41/46 58 will be operated by Stagecoach from january be weird seeing Stagecoach in Northfield and Yardley
The one positive to take away from this is that with AG losing these tendered services, it frees up drivers and vehicles for their other 'core' routes, which should help alleviate where journeys are being missed out due to lack of drivers.
I have spilt off a number of replies into another topic, please use that one for further discussion of Stagecoach's new undertakings:
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=6362.0
Are there any plans for the outer circle to be reconnected again?
Quote from: BBS on February 03, 2023, 12:28:40 PMAre there any plans for the outer circle to be reconnected again?
Hope not. The current form works a lot better.
QuoteHope not. The current form works a lot better.
It's quite a pain to wait at Acocks Green for a specific 11A or 11C to come though
Quote from: BBS on February 03, 2023, 05:29:20 PMIt's quite a pain to wait at Acocks Green for a specific 11A or 11C to come though
Only if there are delays en-route. I don't do the journey very often, but I think the longest I had to wait while changing at Acocks Green village was about ten minutes.
Quote from: Stu on February 03, 2023, 09:39:44 PMOnly if there are delays en-route. I don't do the journey very often, but I think the longest I had to wait while changing at Acocks Green village was about ten minutes.
Delays on that route quite often I think.
Earlier this week vehicles were coming in half hour + late and nothing for ages then several together. Apparently delayed in the Selly Oak area at Aston Webb and in Kings Heath.
I wonder if they will curtail the Western Half back to Perry Barr one stop at some point and have it serve the station there like the other half does.
Quote from: 2206 on February 03, 2023, 09:54:33 PMDelays on that route quite often I think.
Earlier this week vehicles were coming in half hour + late and nothing for ages then several together. Apparently delayed in the Selly Oak area at Aston Webb and in Kings Heath.
I wonder if they will curtail the Western Half back to Perry Barr one stop at some point.
Yes, you get delays in Selly Oak and Kings Heath all the time due to queuing traffic. I travelled to Bearwood today, and we got held up by temporary traffic lights at Pineapple Bridge as well as on Pershore Road before Cotteridge.
Quote from: Jack on February 03, 2023, 05:09:07 PMHope not. The current form works a lot better.
I'm not sure about that, you still have vehicles running in tandem and huge gaps in service at times. I'm not sure how well the 'eastern' side operates (from Acocks Green to Perry Barr) as I only ever see or use the 'western' side (from Acocks Green to Erdington).
Observation only as I don't use the 11, but buses still seem to run in groups now similarly to how they did when it was a full circle.
The 11 has always been like this to an extent. I used it to and from school for 7 years in the 1980s and whilst traffic is far worse now than it was then, you'd still get large gaps is service, then 2 or 3 buses would arrive together. It's the nature of the route with it crossing so many major junctions and trunk routes.
Interesting to 1793 driving around in Harborne. Looks like there was a driver and then another staff member who got off every few stops to place posters on bus stops, possibly about the 76 service changes.
QuoteInteresting to 1793 driving around in Harborne. Looks like there was a driver and then another staff member who got off every few stops to place posters on bus stops, possibly about the 76 service changes.
Acocks Green doesn't operate the 76, Yardley Wood does
QuoteAcocks Green doesn't operate the 76, Yardley Wood does
Yes but 1793 is a AG bus.
7539 on the 11A/11C this afternoon. 13:37 fox and goose bound for Perry Barr.
Also was being followed by an out of service 50 branded 6896 down Stoney Lane in Yardley, wonder what that ones doing?
Quote from: 2206 on March 16, 2023, 01:56:52 PM7539 on the 11A/11C this afternoon. 13:37 fox and goose bound for Perry Barr.
Also was being followed by an out of service 50 branded 6896 down Stoney Lane in Yardley, wonder what that ones doing?
Maybe it could of gone to another depot for MOT?
Returned to Brum for the first time in 3 years (by the way, what's going on in Digbeth? Looks virtually unrecognisable now?) And I noticed that 1795 has a weird camera thingy on the rear. Anyone know what it is?
QuoteReturned to Brum for the first time in 3 years (by the way, what's going on in Digbeth? Looks virtually unrecognisable now?) And I noticed that 1795 has a weird camera thingy on the rear. Anyone know what it is?
Digbeth is getting the metro, 1795 has cameras looking at the condition of the road I believe.
Quote from: BK63 YWP on May 09, 2023, 07:21:42 AMDigbeth is getting the metro, 1795 has cameras looking at the condition of the road I believe.
Ok. When will that be finished then?
QuoteReturned to Brum for the first time in 3 years (by the way, what's going on in Digbeth? Looks virtually unrecognisable now?) And I noticed that 1795 has a weird camera thingy on the rear. Anyone know what it is?
I've started to see Yardley woods scanias also get these cameras on the top rear. AGs crimson omnilinks seem to have then but red and whites don't
Quote from: Busboy105 on May 09, 2023, 06:57:37 PMOk. When will that be finished then?
When will what be finished?
Quote from: Tony on May 09, 2023, 07:05:31 PMWhen will what be finished?
I think he means the Metro extension down Digbeth etc currently under construction.
2104 at the rate it is going.
Full marks to NXWM and AG for getting E400s onto the 4 recently, presumably to help with the delays caused by the roadworks at Greet and perhaps to increase capacity during train strikes. Going through Sparkbrook on Wednesday there were four of them together, two going into city, two out of city.
Quote from: Stevo on June 03, 2023, 05:40:26 PMFull marks to NXWM and AG for getting E400s onto the 4 recently, presumably to help with the delays caused by the roadworks at Greet and perhaps to increase capacity during train strikes. Going through Sparkbrook on Wednesday there were four of them together, two going into city, two out of city.
On train strike days, they do seem to try and allocate a few more double decks than normal on to the 4 and 4A.
It was a bit easier this week with the schools off, the 72 could cope with E200MMCs
QuoteIt was a bit easier this week with the schools off, the 72 could cope with E200MMCs
I see the entire 4/4A was operated with E400MMCs, with only one E200MMC on the 4 being 2217
Quote from: BBS on June 03, 2023, 06:48:41 PMI see the entire 4/4A was operated with E400MMCs, with only one E200MMC on the 4 being 2217
2224 & 4493 were also on there
Quote2224 & 4493 were also on there
2 E200MMCs and the Rest Double Decks on the 4/4A is probably easier to do now. However had schools start I don't think this will be possible
Any idea where 4672 has been? One of 2 of AG Gems I'm left to tick off but hasn't been out and about for while?
The 16:13 11A started at the Yew Tree again today I noticed. Does this have enough dead running time after it comes off the 11S at Ward End. As it seems to do that regularly.
Don't think its acceptable for the driver who is driving 1812 on the 17 be driving with only one window wiper in the heavy rain
Quote from: Bethhart2022 on July 11, 2023, 12:25:06 PMDon't think its acceptable for the driver who is driving 1812 on the 17 be driving with only one window wiper in the heavy rain
I agree park bus up throw you all off in the rain and wait for the next one
And take bus back to garage
Or driver takes bus to the next terminus
Would you rather he parked it up and left you in the rain?
2171 has done a trip on the 5 this morning, first time it has been out at AG.
Due Solihull at 09:07 then back to garage, so anyone wanting the 'exclusive' needs to be fast!
Quote from: Bethhart2022 on July 11, 2023, 12:25:06 PMDon't think its acceptable for the driver who is driving 1812 on the 17 be driving with only one window wiper in the heavy rain
Were you a passenger?
Were you a pedestrian and witnessed this?
Were you driving a motor vehicle and witnessed this?
6117 sped straight past the Ward End Old Bromford Lane stop without stopping on the 11C to Acocks Green Garage earlier at about 17:50 despite that I flagged it down and people were waving for it to stop. Wasn't full and it clearly stopped to pick up at the stop before and after, so no excuse at all for it.
To add to that as welll on the next one that stopped 6120 everyone was thrown off at the Yew Tree and left to wait for the next one. As the driver had been told to run back to Perry Barr.
2171 right next to me in Perry Barr with Driver Training up and loads of drivers aboard. Bit far for them to be out type training?
They aren't type training they are route learning with agency drivers
Quote from: cris 99 on July 17, 2023, 02:33:56 PMThey aren't type training they are route learning with agency drivers
Presumably they're still struggling with driver recruitment?
Is there any plans to rejoin the outer circle? Or is the split helping with timings and reliability?
Quote from: BK63 YWP on July 18, 2023, 06:50:44 PMIs there any plans to rejoin the outer circle? Or is the split helping with timings and reliability?
If it involves saving PVR or cutting costs then they'll probably do it.
If it increases costs then you have no chance!
Quote from: Straightlines on July 18, 2023, 07:06:38 PMIf it involves saving PVR or cutting costs then they'll probably do it.
If it increases costs then you have no chance!
It would cut PVR and costs, but be less reliable, so at the moment nothing changing
6140 has graffiti all-over the rear this morning. Seen at 07:40 at Fox and Goose going towards Acocks Green.
Is a single ticket transferable on the 11 if you have to changes buses?
If there are no plans to join the outer circle again, surely they are just separate routes now and should have different route numbers
Quote from: sonic84 on July 27, 2023, 04:22:51 PMIs a single ticket transferable on the 11 if you have to changes buses?
If there are no plans to join the outer circle again, surely they are just separate routes now and should have different route numbers
I don't think so, from my experience a few months back you have to pay again when changing.
They could potentially renumber it to 10 (West) 11 (East) as I think I saw that's how it used to be when the route first started in the 1920s.
Quote from: sonic84 on July 27, 2023, 04:22:51 PMIs a single ticket transferable on the 11 if you have to changes buses?
If there are no plans to join the outer circle again, surely they are just separate routes now and should have different route numbers
I remember when they first split the circle single tickets where transferable, not sure if this is still the case.
2174 at the Fox and Goose this morning at about 10.00.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/birmingham-bus-driver-crowned-best-27651552
Well done that man.
I just remembered. Wasn't there a post saying that ZF and Voith E400MMC was going to kept apart at the garages. Something about vehicles types being kept at a minimal where possible. I'm sure every garage has voith MMC bar Walsall? So surely them being so spread out there's not an issue, and kind of a standard vehicle type?
Quote from: Owen on September 12, 2023, 11:37:18 PMI just remembered. Wasn't there a post saying that ZF and Voith E400MMC was going to kept apart at the garages. Something about vehicles types being kept at a minimal where possible. I'm sure every garage has voith MMC bar Walsall? So surely them being so spread out there's not an issue, and kind of a standard vehicle type?
It was something to do with seat sizes. They were mixed at AG at one point, but I don't believe this is the case now.
Is it only 3 or 4 omnilinks allocated to this garage as of now?
I've noticed the 17 is now allocated predominantly E200MMCs, then some B7Rles,
And the 5 now sees single deckers occasionally which I never think happened before.
Quote from: Owen on September 15, 2023, 06:54:40 PMIs it only 3 or 4 omnilinks allocated to this garage as of now?
I've noticed the 17 is now allocated predominantly E200MMCs, then some B7Rles,
And the 5 now sees single deckers occasionally which I never think happened before.
The 5 has always seen single deckers occasionally, only since it went to Every 30 minutes it's not something that's not seen all the time.
5 Omnilinks left at AG.
Quote from: Jack on September 15, 2023, 07:44:18 PMThe 5 has always seen single deckers occasionally, only since it went to Every 30 minutes it's not something that's not seen all the time.
5 Omnilinks left at AG.
It's not very often you see a single deck on the 5 now.
Quote from: Stu on September 15, 2023, 07:47:03 PMIt's not very often you see a single deck on the 5 now.
Most common duty for one is the morning peak board. It was a B7RLE almost every day when they first arrived, but now is more often a double again
I must say anyway, the garage vehicle age profile is very good, recent transfers are very well thought out!
Don't know the full numbers, but within about a year the average age must have went down quite a bit. I'd reckon it's within 9-12 years old.
EDIT: Just did some maths, average age went from over 12 years in June 2022 to about 10.5 years today.
Quote from: Ronnoc on September 15, 2023, 11:06:26 PMDon't know the full numbers, but within about a year the average age must have went down quite a bit. I'd reckon it's within 9-12 years old.
EDIT: Just did some maths, average age went from over 12 years in June 2022 to about 10.5 years today.
See imagine the jump when the geminis are withdrawn next year with the new orders. Double deckers after Gemini were ones new 2015. Scanias (2007) are currently being released leaving single decks new in 2013-2015 allocated at garage.
Saw an 11 branded E400 MMC being towed towards Pensnett by Russells Hall Hospital. Seems far from home.
Always wondered why was the 4 or 37 back the. made into single deckers in the first place ?
QuoteAlways wondered why was the 4 or 37 back the. made into single deckers in the first place ?
Rough guess, but I believe back in the days when we had the 31 which was similar to the 4, the 5, 6, 957. I'm sure there were plenty more before too, but now the 4 shouldn't have single decks
Quote from: monkeyjoe on November 05, 2023, 01:30:45 PMAlways wondered why was the 4 or 37 back the. made into single deckers in the first place ?
I remember reading elsewhere that at the time, someone at NX Bus decided it was a good idea to use single decks on some services and make them more frequent. Hence the 37 became single deck operated, along with other routes such as the 6, 16, 33, 97 etc.
I believe the other issue was anti-social behaviour, which was another reason to make them single deck.
Quote from: Stu on November 05, 2023, 02:38:09 PMI remember reading elsewhere that at the time, someone at NX Bus decided it was a good idea to use single decks on some services and make them more frequent. Hence the 37 became single deck operated, along with other routes such as the 6, 16, 33, 97 etc.
I believe the other issue was anti-social behaviour, which was another reason to make them single deck.
I had a feeling it was something like that, but in terms of latter point what's changed has the security infrastructures changed / improved.
The 37 was the first to get those low-floor N-reg buses (the ones that knelt but still had two steps to get in there with). Was that when they were made single-decker?
They were followed the next year by the truly low-floor P-reg buses, which the first lot I think were on the 529? The low-floor double deckers began in the R-reg batch with a load of S-reg ones coming after.
Quote from: BBS on November 05, 2023, 02:06:19 PMRough guess, but I believe back in the days when we had the 31 which was similar to the 4, the 5, 6, 957. I'm sure there were plenty more before too, but now the 4 shouldn't have single decks
If the frequency wasn't every 10 minutes and every 5 minutes like it used to be then they would be fine.
The 37 (4) used Single Decks for years and they've never been an issue it's only really since it's gone to be 10 minutes they've been an issue, I'd much rather having singles on the 4/4A however than some other services atm.
The ASB issue with the 6 and 37 had dropped considerably when they went to Single Deckers, they also was a lot more frequent so there wasn't much of an issue. Remember back then the peaks they'd often having Deckers on to help as well as the odd few that did all day.
Quote from: Jack on November 05, 2023, 04:00:57 PMIf the frequency wasn't every 10 minutes and every 5 minutes like it used to be then they would be fine.
The 37 (4) used Single Decks for years and they've never been an issue it's only really since it's gone to be 10 minutes they've been an issue, I'd much rather having singles on the 4/4A however than some other services atm.
The ASB issue with the 6 and 37 had dropped considerably when they went to Single Deckers, they also was a lot more frequent so there wasn't much of an issue. Remember back then the peaks they'd often having Deckers on to help as well as the odd few that did all day.
The 4 and 4A provide a combined 6 minute frequency between Birmingham city centre and Acocks Green.
Single decks on high frequency services are fine, as long as those services run reliably.
Quote from: Stu on November 05, 2023, 04:26:51 PMThe 4 and 4A provide a combined 6 minute frequency between Birmingham city centre and Acocks Green.
Single decks on high frequency services are fine, as long as those services run reliably.
Completely agree, only really see the 4/4A completely packed when there's delays etc. They usually have a full load but not standing packed, so I think there's some exaggerating going on...
Quote from: Jack on November 05, 2023, 05:57:55 PMCompletely agree, only really see the 4/4A completely packed when there's delays etc. They usually have a full load but not standing packed, so I think there's some exaggerating going on...
Of the services on the Stratford Road, the 4/4A are the only ones I don't really use, but I do observe them passing by while waiting for the 2, 3 or 5.
Often I'll see what appears to be 'fully-loaded' single-decks, but most of the time it just looks like that because so many people are standing in the gangway near the driver.
On the other hand, while the 6 used to be single deck operated, even now I see fully loaded double decks. And if the 6 gets delayed, it is the 2, 3 and 5 that tend to get rammed with people travelling to Sparkbrook/Sparkhill.
I don't see any issues with the way the 4/4A is currently implemented in terms of allocation as long as there are some double decker to supplement/account for (as mentioned) possible delays and busier times, as I believe the case currently is
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 05, 2023, 06:11:02 PMI don't see any issues with the way the 4/4A is currently implemented in terms of allocation as long as there are some double decker to supplement/account for (as mentioned) possible delays and busier times, as I believe the case currently is
There are often double-decks used on the 4/4A alongside the single-decks.
Quote from: Stu on November 05, 2023, 06:24:25 PMThere are often double-decks used on the 4/4A alongside the single-decks.
Yes, so whoever said 'the 4/4A must have Deckers all the time' are very much exaggerating in my opinion. Theres never been an issue with them at all.
QuoteYes, so whoever said 'the 4/4A must have Deckers all the time' are very much exaggerating in my opinion. Theres never been an issue with them at all.
With electrics coming soon, I see the 4/4A becoming deckers anyways. The E200mmcs can be well used for routes unable to accommodate deckers
Quote from: BBS on November 05, 2023, 11:44:35 PMWith electrics coming soon, I see the 4/4A becoming deckers anyways. The E200mmcs can be well used for routes unable to accommodate deckers
And which routes are you to proposing they go onto?
The MMC's have a worse turning circle than other Singles so that's also a limit on what they can be used on. Nothing wrong with them on the 4/4A or other AG services.
QuoteAnd which routes are you to proposing they go onto?
The MMC's have a worse turning circle than other Singles so that's also a limit on what they can be used on. Nothing wrong with them on the 4/4A or other AG services.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong, just because their turning circle is worse doesn't mean they can't be used on other routes regardless being AG or not? They can only not be used in tight turn situations
Quote from: BBS on November 05, 2023, 11:44:35 PMWith electrics coming soon, I see the 4/4A becoming deckers anyways. The E200mmcs can be well used for routes unable to accommodate deckers
Which routes are these then ?
The fleet already has far too many single deckers already. Until the Scanias are gone the single decker problem will not go away.
In AG, the mmcs could move fully onto the 17 and have the 73 maybe become e200mmc has a decent load but could still handle singles or even move to over depots to replace older singles.
Quote from: GoldenSquid on November 06, 2023, 03:04:55 PMIn AG, the mmcs could move fully onto the 17 and have the 73 maybe become e200mmc has a decent load but could still handle singles or even move to over depots to replace older singles.
We need double deckers to replace single deckers that keep appearing on routes 2, 3, 7, 33, 65, 67, 76 and 907
Quote from: GoldenSquid on November 06, 2023, 03:04:55 PMIn AG, the mmcs could move fully onto the 17 and have the 73 maybe become e200mmc has a decent load but could still handle singles or even move to over depots to replace older singles.
If you are referring to E400MMCs on the 17 then it would require a complete reroute of the 17 at tile Cross as both bridges are below 14 feet
Quote from: dw1308 on November 06, 2023, 04:39:46 PMIf you are referring to E400MMCs on the 17 then it would require a complete reroute of the 17 at tile Cross as both bridges are below 14 feet
Where has he mentioned E400MMC's ?, it's obvious he's referring to E200MMC's
Quote from: GoldenSquid on November 06, 2023, 03:04:55 PMIn AG, the mmcs could move fully onto the 17 and have the 73 maybe become e200mmc has a decent load but could still handle singles or even move to over depots to replace older singles.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on November 06, 2023, 03:09:41 PMWe need double deckers to replace single deckers that keep appearing on routes 2, 3, 7, 33, 65, 67, 76 and 907
And that is all part of the plan. There are 300 double decks on the way in the next couple of years, which will see off all the OmniLinks (147 at my latest count)
But some garages are still going to need single decks for routes that can't use doubles. So I would expect the newer Eclipse 2s and E200MMCs to end up more spread about.
QuoteBut some garages are still going to need single decks for routes that can't use doubles. So I would expect the newer Eclipse 2s and E200MMCs to end up more spread about.
That's what i said, e200mmcs can be used and replace scania's. This basically leads to 4 becoming Deckers
Quote from: BBS on November 06, 2023, 09:44:12 PMThat's what i said, e200mmcs can be used and replace scania's. This basically leads to 4 becoming Deckers
How can they? I can't see the MMC's being able to take on some of PB's Omnilinks services with the tight turns.
I expect more B7's from Coventry to help with this.
Quote from: Jack on November 06, 2023, 09:55:27 PMHow can they? I can't see the MMC's being able to take on some of PB's Omnilinks services with the tight turns.
I expect more B7's from Coventry to help with this.
They were new for the 71. So thats one PB service they can run on at least.
Can they do the 28 and 66 as well?
Quote from: 2206 on November 06, 2023, 10:14:52 PMThey were new for the 71. So thats one PB service they can run on at least.
Can they do the 28 and 66 as well?
Have you seen some of the turns on the 28, 66 and 96?
I remember WB banning them from the 46 because they couldn't make the turn at Scott Arms.
E200MMC's can stay at AG for the time being.
Quote from: Jack on November 06, 2023, 10:59:15 PMHave you seen some of the turns on the 28, 66 and 96?
I remember WB banning them from the 46 because they couldn't make the turn at Scott Arms.
E200MMC's can stay at AG for the time being.
Definitely not the 96 that has some really tight turns notably going of chester road into buckingham road where the kerb has lots of blue paint from many past diamond buses
QuoteThey were new for the 71. So thats one PB service they can run on at least.
Can they do the 28 and 66 as well?
You got the WB 12(A)/13(A) too
Quote from: ellspurs on November 05, 2023, 03:40:38 PMThe 37 was the first to get those low-floor N-reg buses (the ones that knelt but still had two steps to get in there with). Was that when they were made single-decker?
They were followed the next year by the truly low-floor P-reg buses, which the first lot I think were on the 529? The low-floor double deckers began in the R-reg batch with a load of S-reg ones coming after.
From memory Walsall had them first on the 311/3.
Quote from: BBS on November 07, 2023, 03:24:38 PMYou got the WB 12(A)/13(A) too
They don't need more single deckers either on there, unless they increase the frequency, which probably won't happen.
The days when the 120 was every 10 minutes between Brum and Oldbury, singles used to cope fine then.
Quote from: Jack on November 07, 2023, 03:56:44 PMThey don't need more single deckers either on there, unless they increase the frequency, which probably won't happen.
The days when the 120 was every 10 minutes between Brum and Oldbury, singles used to cope fine then.
Agreed, now the 12/A
(previously 120) serve the Portland Road, with the 13/A
(previously 127/128), they could do with less singles, the odd single here and there is fine during the day, but off peak, it's not uncommon to see standing passengers on single deck services
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 07, 2023, 05:40:57 PMAgreed, now the 12/A (previously 120) serve the Portland Road, with the 13/A (previously 127/128), they could do with less singles, the odd single here and there is fine during the day, but off peak, it's not uncommon to see standing passengers on single deck services
If the 12/12A were combined every 10 minutes they would probably still be able to cope with Singles. I remember the 120/127/128/129 all coping fine with Singles for years. Obviously they would have been more frequent then because NX don't seem to increase frequencies as much anymore.
Quote from: Jack on November 07, 2023, 10:59:42 PMIf the 12/12A were combined every 10 minutes they would probably still be able to cope with Singles. I remember the 120/127/128/129 all coping fine with Singles for years. Obviously they would have been more frequent then because NX don't seem to increase frequencies as much anymore.
I wouldn't say
cope fine, but they wouldn't be as necessary. Double deckers have always been used whenever possible for Portland Road services. Even when the 12/A/120 served Hagley Road/Sandon Road, you would get the odd double decker here and there, especially in the late 2010s
Quote from: Sh4318 on November 07, 2023, 05:40:57 PMAgreed, now the 12/A (previously 120) serve the Portland Road, with the 13/A (previously 127/128), they could do with less singles, the odd single here and there is fine during the day, but off peak, it's not uncommon to see standing passengers on single deck services
Passenger shouted at me whilst getting off a rammed scania " I'll be getting an Uber next time driver ".
Quote from: 979 on November 08, 2023, 04:46:11 PMPassenger shouted at me whilst getting off a rammed scania " I'll be getting an Uber next time driver ".
should of replied, cheers mate bit more room tomorrow then
Quote from: Wba_lad on December 11, 2023, 12:49:37 PM4675 working on the 11C, still got its branding for the route inside.
@Wba_lad I can say with some confidence that a Gemini is NOT noteworthy on the 11A/C
Just saw 6106 in West Bromwich. Assuming it's come from West Brom garage after a MOT.
Looks like 6704 has had a accident today by moor street, car gone into the side of it,
It's either been repaired already or it wasn't that bad as it's already out today on the 72
QuoteLooks like 6704 has had a accident today by moor street, car gone into the side of it,
Wasn't as bad and carried on service
Just seen a crimson Gemini go past idk what fleet number it was but the front was smashed at the front. Looked fine enough to drive as it was going back to the garage.
72 totally single deck operated so far anyone know why haven't seen that happen in a long while?
Quote from: cris 99 on February 14, 2024, 08:26:57 AM72 totally single deck operated so far anyone know why haven't seen that happen in a long while?
Only took over 6 years for NX to switch the allocations for the 4/4A and 72 hopefully it stays forever
Quote from: LD713821 on February 14, 2024, 03:02:39 PMOnly took over 6 years for NX to switch the allocations for the 4/4A and 72 hopefully it stays forever
School holiday 4 is busier, 72 is quieter
Has anybody seen 6106?
Most bus stops along the 72 route are showing that it doesn't do a Sunday Service on its timetable any reason why?
Quote from: Jack D on April 26, 2024, 06:51:16 PMMost bus stops along the 72 route are showing that it doesn't do a Sunday Service on its timetable any reason why?
It would appear to be a 'data error' on the part of TfWM.
If you look at the timetable on their website, on Sundays it only shows times for timing points, not all stops:
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/plan-your-journey/find-a-timetable/#/route/cen_33072_A_H_y11_5-5?direction=Outbound&when=3
It would be a total waste of money if someone has not picked up on this, before new at-stop timetables were ordered and printed, and then put up in those stops.
It will be intresting to see if Richard Parker becomes mayor hé will deliver on His 11 pledge.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on Yesterday at 12:23:13 PMIt will be intresting to see if Richard Parker becomes mayor hé will deliver on His 11 pledge.
What's his 11 pledge?
Quote from: Jack D on Yesterday at 03:29:57 PMWhat's his 11 pledge?
To return it to being a full circular route (once he franchises everything).
Edited to add online article where it is mentioned : https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/secret-dates-jam-sandwiches-school-29047686
Quote from: ellspurs on Yesterday at 03:36:54 PMTo return it to being a full circular route (once he franchises everything).
Edited to add online article where it is mentioned : https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/secret-dates-jam-sandwiches-school-29047686
First of all the article says the route was split in half in 2021, but it wasn't, it was split into two sections, the first was a short section from Acocks Green to Perry Barr via Yardley and Erdington, the second is the much longer section from Acocks Green to Erdington via Kings Heath, Bearwood and Perry Barr. Boths routes created an overlap of both routes between Erdington and Perry which was introduced due to the major roadworks in Perry Barr at that time. This arrangement has improved reliability to an extent which is why it is still running now.
Richard Parker's idea of going back to the full circle would reduce reliability more than what it was in 2021.
Quote from: Steve3229vp on Yesterday at 05:25:18 PMFirst of all the article says the route was split in half in 2021, but it wasn't, it was split into two sections, the first was a short section from Acocks Green to Perry Barr via Yardley and Erdington, the second is the much longer section from Acocks Green to Erdington via Kings Heath, Bearwood and Perry Barr. Boths routes created an overlap of both routes between Erdington and Perry which was introduced due to the major roadworks in Perry Barr at that time. This arrangement has improved reliability to an extent which is why it is still running now.
Richard Parker's idea of going back to the full circle would reduce reliability more than what it was in 2021.
That article and another one that appeared today are just thinly-veiled election propaganda, otherwise there would have been some explanation of the reasons why the route was split.
Whoever becomes mayor will take the credit for making the 11 a full circular one again, but it will be the bus operator that faces the flak from passengers when reliability goes to pot again.
Election promises and the sad reality of the Outer Circlehttps://wmbu.org.uk/2024/04/election-promises-and-the-sad-reality-of-the-outer-circle/
So if I go from Harborne to Swan Island, Yardley that should just be £2 because it's the same 11A service... ?
Quote from: tufwum on Today at 12:10:15 PMSo if I go from Harborne to Swan Island, Yardley that should just be £2 because it's the same 11A service... ?
Yes, there's no extra payment required if you need to change buses at Erdington or Acocks Green
Quote from: Tony on Today at 12:24:02 PMYes, there's no extra payment required if you need to change buses at Erdington or Acocks Green
I've been seeing all over the news about people moaning about the "outer circle", do you think it will ever go back to being the full circle or will it cause to many issues on the national express side.