The new sign is up as its now Arriva Wednesfield Garage could any depot stuff, changes go here please like Sconehead85 requests for Cannock. Many thanks.
Apparently from Monday Arriva tickests will be accepted on theMidland buses and not many will be resprayed
mystic meg predicts a load of crap darts headin toward wednesfield lol
Quote from: arrivaaston on February 09, 2013, 11:36:56 PM
Apparently from Monday Arriva tickests will be accepted on theMidland buses and not many will be resprayed
This will be good for everyone
As most of the midland routes dont connect with other Arriva routes all that much wouldnt most people boarding a midland bus buy an N bus though?
There is a lot of cannock routes that could benefit from accepting arriva passes
Quote from: arrivaaston on February 09, 2013, 11:36:56 PM
Apparently from Monday Arriva tickests will be accepted on the Midland buses and not many will be resprayed
Wonder if the exiting deckers will be kept (the red tridents).
Quote from: busman99 on February 10, 2013, 11:23:48 AM
There is a lot of cannock routes that could benefit from accepting arriva passes
Will benefit now if you want to go to lichfield from Walsall too connections there to a lot of other places its a positive start regardless of the buses they are getting a possible platform for a west mids version of a arriva pass and could be cheaper too a way of getting regular revenue and attacking the NX travelcard and then NXWM may have something to think about. This has been the failing of most companies such as go ahead when they tried.
Quote from: arrivaaston on February 09, 2013, 11:36:56 PM
Apparently from Monday Arriva tickests will be accepted on theMidland buses and not many will be resprayed
None of the midland drivers know anything about this starting tomorrow I personally think it will be a couple of weeks away still
Quote from: Discodave on February 10, 2013, 12:12:07 PM
Quote from: arrivaaston on February 09, 2013, 11:36:56 PM
Apparently from Monday Arriva tickests will be accepted on the Midland buses and not many will be resprayed
Wonder if the exiting deckers will be kept (the red tridents).
Quote from: busman99 on February 10, 2013, 11:23:48 AM
There is a lot of cannock routes that could benefit from accepting arriva passes
Will benefit now if you want to go to lichfield from Walsall too connections there to a lot of other places its a positive start regardless of the buses they are getting a possible platform for a west mids version of a arriva pass and could be cheaper too a way of getting regular revenue and attacking the NX travelcard and then NXWM may have something to think about. This has been the failing of most companies such as go ahead when they tried.
Would be brillient if they did. Arriva's presence is ever increasing and I think the certainly need to introduce a range of new new west mid based tickets
None of the Midland drivers know? It was a Midland driver that told me and the driver on the 23 said there accepted
Quote from: arrivaaston on February 12, 2013, 07:38:30 AM
None of the Midland drivers know? It was a Midland driver that told me and the driver on the 23 said there accepted
Oh right well I just presumed as the one I spoke to said no
Does anyone else think that Hill Top/West bromwich will eventually be closed with buses and operations transferred to Wednesfield garage.
At the moment,is Wednesfield a free-standing garage or an outstation of Cannock?
Isnt Hill Top a shorter lease than Wednesfield?
Quote from: Westy on February 12, 2013, 12:25:42 PM
Isnt Hill Top a shorter lease than Wednesfield?
Hill top has a 12 month lease Wednesfield at least 5 years so to answer 2 questions possibly merger into one garage information from my friend who was at the meeting when takeover annouced. I know Hill top is an outstation of Tamworth as thats where the buses go to be maintained, not sure of Wednesfield to be honest would be better as a full depot than under Cannocks wing.
Quote from: Discodave on February 12, 2013, 12:40:51 PM
Quote from: Westy on February 12, 2013, 12:25:42 PM
Isnt Hill Top a shorter lease than Wednesfield?
Hill top has a 12 month lease Wednesfield at least 5 years so to answer 2 questions possibly merger into one garage information from my friend who was at the meeting when takeover annouced. I know Hill top is an outstation of Tamworth as thats where the buses go to be maintained, not sure of Wednesfield to be honest would be better as a full depot than under Cannocks wing.
would definitely agree, lots of out stations are a bad idea. it was a sad day for example bridgnorth switched from being a shrewsbury outstation to telford.
hope rather than combining the 2 depots (hill too, wednesfield) that they try some commercial routes and fill them both with more buses!
Quote from: busman99 on February 12, 2013, 08:14:03 AM
Quote from: arrivaaston on February 12, 2013, 07:38:30 AM
None of the Midland drivers know? It was a Midland driver that told me and the driver on the 23 said there accepted
Oh right well I just presumed as the one I spoke to said no
ive used a arriva pass on what was then choice buses as back as far as 2007 on the 436 route.....drivers just accepted them as arriva ran the route mon-sat choice just did a few journeys on sunday!
Quote from: dannygill on February 13, 2013, 11:02:15 PM
Quote from: busman99 on February 12, 2013, 08:14:03 AM
Quote from: arrivaaston on February 12, 2013, 07:38:30 AM
None of the Midland drivers know? It was a Midland driver that told me and the driver on the 23 said there accepted
Oh right well I just presumed as the one I spoke to said no
ive used a arriva pass on what was then choice buses as back as far as 2007 on the 436 route.....drivers just accepted them as arriva ran the route mon-sat choice just did a few journeys on sunday!
There was an agreement in the council contract as I did the 436 with Petes it was shared between Arriva. We had to accept all returns and passes/day tickets. It did cover Sundays too.
2154 (66) and 2156 (21) out today
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8474206704
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8474199548
All of theese photos of arriva buses on ex midland routes are missing part of a 'staple diet' within the industry? Passengers!
Quote from: richie on February 14, 2013, 07:43:37 PM
All of theese photos of arriva buses on ex midland routes are missing part of a 'staple diet' within the industry? Passengers!
I agree. Theyre all empty makes u wonder how they can make a profit running round empty. From my observations Midlands buses were mostly empty tho people from midland delude themselves otherwise.
Quote from: richie on February 14, 2013, 07:43:37 PM
All of theese photos of arriva buses on ex midland routes are missing part of a 'staple diet' within the industry? Passengers!
The 66 did have a few people on when it left West Brom. The 20 and 21 did pick up a few people in Oldbury, but a 299 leaving Stourbridge only had 1 lady on. A few other services were nearly empty as well.
Thats what i meant when i said theyre hardly big league
Quote from: John on February 14, 2013, 07:52:18 PM
Quote from: richie on February 14, 2013, 07:43:37 PM
All of theese photos of arriva buses on ex midland routes are missing part of a 'staple diet' within the industry? Passengers!
The 66 did have a few people on when it left West Brom. The 20 and 21 did pick up a few people in Oldbury, but a 299 leaving Stourbridge only had 1 lady on. A few other services were nearly empty as well.
I believe that all these routes are Tenders, so who needs passengers when you still get paid to run them! ;D
Quote from: D10 on February 14, 2013, 08:57:33 PM
Quote from: John on February 14, 2013, 07:52:18 PM
Quote from: richie on February 14, 2013, 07:43:37 PM
All of theese photos of arriva buses on ex midland routes are missing part of a 'staple diet' within the industry? Passengers!
The 66 did have a few people on when it left West Brom. The 20 and 21 did pick up a few people in Oldbury, but a 299 leaving Stourbridge only had 1 lady on. A few other services were nearly empty as well.
I believe that all these routes are Tenders, so who needs passengers when you still get paid to run them! ;D
Tbh their commercial services never seem very busy either though and according to one of the people on here who works for midland they have quite a lot of commerical services
Quote from: Trident 4609 on February 16, 2013, 12:13:48 PM
2156 on Route 18(Wolverhampton-Lyndale) yesterday. First time i've seen one of the arriva darts on there. Usually it is midland livered MPD's or mainly optare solos. I see that once the number 18 finishes service it then goes onto route 19 (Walsall-bloxwich) as later on in tge day 2156 was operating the 19
Until more Arriva liveried buses arrive, it just seems like random routes are allocated the Arriva buses each day (Still waiting for the X56 to have a bus in Arriva livery). Will be nice to see Wednesfield when it is 100% Arriva livery.
JJZ5248 Been repainted ex midland one so they are keeping sone of the buses just got pic on phone will try and upload later would you like it Tony not got arriva name in yet
Quote from: Discodave on February 20, 2013, 04:08:04 PM
JJZ5248 Been repainted ex midland one so they are keeping sone of the buses just got pic on phone will try and upload later would you like it Tony not got arriva name in yet
This would be good to see
Quote from: Discodave on February 20, 2013, 04:08:04 PM
JJZ5248 Been repainted ex midland one so they are keeping sone of the buses just got pic on phone will try and upload later would you like it Tony not got arriva name in yet
if you send it to me I will put it on the main site for people to see
Thanks Dave
Quote from: Tony on February 20, 2013, 08:09:19 PM
Quote from: Discodave on February 20, 2013, 04:08:04 PM
JJZ5248 Been repainted ex midland one so they are keeping sone of the buses just got pic on phone will try and upload later would you like it Tony not got arriva name in yet
if you send it to me I will put it on the main site for people to see
Thanks Dave
I have opened a flickr account hope this works can you get it from here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/93433862@N04/8494442367/
Quote from: Discodave on February 21, 2013, 03:51:23 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 20, 2013, 08:09:19 PM
Quote from: Discodave on February 20, 2013, 04:08:04 PM
JJZ5248 Been repainted ex midland one so they are keeping sone of the buses just got pic on phone will try and upload later would you like it Tony not got arriva name in yet
if you send it to me I will put it on the main site for people to see
Thanks Dave
I have opened a flickr account hope this works can you get it from here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/93433862@N04/8494442367/
It is it me or does the repainted ex London MPD in the background a have a different shade of aquamarine?
Shall have to look at one close up, but thats an improvement on the red!
Actually wonder how many liveries that particular one has been in since new?
It was ex London wasnt it?
Does anyone know where arriva paint their vehicles? I am surprised they are painting ex midland buses I don't think ant decent investment by arriva will be seen just ex midland scrap and ex London scrap. That's one advantage to NX no London operation to cascade tat from!
Quote from: richie on February 21, 2013, 08:54:55 PM
Does anyone know where arriva paint their vehicles? I am surprised they are painting ex midland buses I don't think ant decent investment by arriva will be seen just ex midland scrap and ex London scrap. That's one advantage to NX no London operation to cascade tat from!
That could change if First are considering selling their London op, as there are few who would in a position to buy it. Go-ahead & Arriva certainly couldn't, Stagcoach would just get away without exceeding the max 25% of the market rule
Quote from: Winston on February 21, 2013, 08:58:59 PM
Quote from: richie on February 21, 2013, 08:54:55 PM
Does anyone know where arriva paint their vehicles? I am surprised they are painting ex midland buses I don't think ant decent investment by arriva will be seen just ex midland scrap and ex London scrap. That's one advantage to NX no London operation to cascade tat from!
That could change if First are considering selling their London op, as there are few who would in a position to buy it. Go-ahead & Arriva certainly couldn't, Stagcoach would just get away without exceeding the max 25% of the market rule
Rotala :P No NX group is a strong possibility I would have thought-although maybe someone like Metroline would be prepared to expand?
Quote from: Peter123 on February 21, 2013, 09:06:23 PM
Quote from: Winston on February 21, 2013, 08:58:59 PM
Quote from: richie on February 21, 2013, 08:54:55 PM
Does anyone know where arriva paint their vehicles? I am surprised they are painting ex midland buses I don't think ant decent investment by arriva will be seen just ex midland scrap and ex London scrap. That's one advantage to NX no London operation to cascade tat from!
That could change if First are considering selling their London op, as there are few who would in a position to buy it. Go-ahead & Arriva certainly couldn't, Stagcoach would just get away without exceeding the max 25% of the market rule
I'd be surprised if NX didn't buy something from the First Group UK bus disposals with their Chief Exec having inside knowledge.... Otherwise there is Comfort Delgro (Metroline's parent) Ned Railways (Abellio's parent) RAPT, Trandsdev etc
Rotala :P No NX group is a strong possibility I would have thought-although maybe someone like Metroline would be prepared to expand?
Quote from: richie on February 21, 2013, 08:54:55 PM
Does anyone know where arriva paint their vehicles? I am surprised they are painting ex midland buses I don't think ant decent investment by arriva will be seen just ex midland scrap and ex London scrap. That's one advantage to NX no London operation to cascade tat from!
I wonder how many of the ex-Midland fleet will be repainted? That must be one of the better Darts....
Will the Tridents on the 10 be repainted? Will be nice to see the tridents in arriva livery
I see both service 62 Cannock to Lichfield have Arriva mpd's on them bye bye optare's
Lol not much better though is it?
A lot smarter in terms off paint job lol
Quote from: richie on February 21, 2013, 08:54:55 PM
Does anyone know where arriva paint their vehicles? I am surprised they are painting ex midland buses I don't think ant decent investment by arriva will be seen just ex midland scrap and ex London scrap. That's one advantage to NX no London operation to cascade tat from!
Pickerings near to Arriva head office Leicester not sure exactly where but also Cannock do some on a small scale.
Quote from: Westy on February 21, 2013, 07:44:55 PM
Shall have to look at one close up, but thats an improvement on the red!
Actually wonder how many liveries that particular one has been in since new?
It was ex London wasnt it?
Tonys pics show 2 D&G blue/cream and later red livery still has the Midland seat swabs in (urban 90) seats. Hope they change would look a little silly with midland branded covers in a now Arriva bus.
Might look better in terms of paint colour but its still the same old nail rattling and screaming underneath lol
Unless they were on the pits the Daf ALX200 deckers were not on the bus park or by the Garage usually the last A1 is parked outside. Just the red tridents were there.
On the 23 we seem to have an Arriva dart Monday-Friday and a red solo on a Saturday and yesterday 62 there was an Arriva dart on with a red solo!! Remember when Choice first took over on the 23, Yello and snot green merc and on the saturday it was a d&G (Blue and white) liverery bus.... Talk about confusion!! It doesn't really affect me because I'm 1 of few who can read and see a number etc but it must be confusing for the old dears
Quote from: John on February 14, 2013, 05:23:42 PM
2154 (66) and 2156 (21) out today
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8474206704
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8474199548
2158 (LJ51DBX) is out today noted heading towards Lichfield this morning not sure how long this has been in service.
Been out for a while now since the offical green light and maybe before that.
One of the deckers has now got arriva on could not see fleet number and Y382 HKE in yard in arriva livery cannot remember if its an ex midland one if so will get a pic
Quote from: Discodave on March 06, 2013, 05:07:13 PM
Y382 HKE in yard in arriva livery cannot remember if its an ex midland one if so will get a pic
That is ex Midland Dave
4778 is the decker with Arriva fleet names now and wich yard is Y382HKE in? Cannock or Wednesfield?
Quote from: arrivaaston on March 06, 2013, 06:12:26 PM
4778 is the decker with Arriva fleet names now and wich yard is Y382HKE in? Cannock or Wednesfield?
Wednesfield along with 2133 2157 2159 2161 2162 2288 all in latest arriva livery when I went passed this morning ..
2160 been working the 23
2118 has now got Arriva fleetnames but still in Midland livery.
Quote from: JackC on March 09, 2013, 04:31:53 PM
2118 has now got Arriva fleetnames but still in Midland livery.
One of the Y-HKE's are also like that. Seen it in Dudley Yesterday
So has 2154 a lot of them were being done when I was starting for work. (as most know I work next door for Norberts using K's yard)
The ex London darts are already breaking down lol, quality fleet
Quote from: bob on March 09, 2013, 04:58:43 PM
The ex London darts are already breaking down lol, quality fleet
They have probably been breaking down for years! Lol
2412 in red with Arriva Logo's
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8551465467
2102 on 334
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8552557316
Quote from: John on March 12, 2013, 05:48:02 PM
2412 in red with Arriva Logo's
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8551465467
2102 on 334
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8552557316
I can the midland fleet looking like that
Quote from: John on March 06, 2013, 06:07:52 PM
Quote from: Discodave on March 06, 2013, 05:07:13 PM
Y382 HKE in yard in arriva livery cannot remember if its an ex midland one if so will get a pic
That is ex Midland Dave
Maybe old news but saw in service today in Darlaston looking very smart!
Quote from: 4006 on March 14, 2013, 05:07:19 PM
Quote from: John on March 06, 2013, 06:07:52 PM
Quote from: Discodave on March 06, 2013, 05:07:13 PM
Y382 HKE in yard in arriva livery cannot remember if its an ex midland one if so will get a pic
That is ex Midland Dave
Maybe old news but saw in service today in Darlaston looking very smart!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8598091725/in/photostream/
Also Ex Midland Trident/ELC
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8599189138/in/photostream/
Both looking fantastic in my opinion ;D
That Trident looks very smart indeed.
Don't know if anyone has seen this yet http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2013/03/28/280k-wolverhampton-bus-depot-update-unveiled/
Quote from: 5513 on March 29, 2013, 12:24:01 AM
Don't know if anyone has seen this yet http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2013/03/28/280k-wolverhampton-bus-depot-update-unveiled/
Would the 17 refurbished buses happen to include the ex London 51 plate MPD's which have replaced nearly new Enviro 200's?
Quote from: 4006 on March 28, 2013, 11:20:14 PM
Maybe old news but saw in service today in Darlaston looking very smart!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8598091725/in/photostream/
Also Ex Midland Trident/ELC
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8599189138/in/photostream/
Both looking fantastic in my opinion ;D
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I must admit, the latest incarnation of Arriva ex interurban livery is much better than the original livery, the East Lancs bodied Trident looks really smart....
would have thought they would have sorted out the tattier solos and darts first! not to mention the dart belching out so much black smoke the backend is black, or the other elc trident with a harmonious knocking. looking at it, arriva have their work cut out. what they have done looks smart
I wondered why 4851 had been missing off the 10 for a few weeks. Looks great!
Will 4854 (unrefurbished trident) have the same treatment aswell?
You wouldve thought that by now all red buses would have arriva vinyls yesterday a Midland dart was on the 62 in hednesford. Its normally an ex london pointer dart, confusing for passengers and a crap image for arriva
Quote from: bob on March 29, 2013, 08:39:21 AM
You wouldve thought that by now all red buses would have arriva vinyls yesterday a Midland dart was on the 62 in hednesford. Its normally an ex london pointer dart, confusing for passengers and a crap image for arriva
Some have the new logo's many still have the old Midland ones on. I caught this one yesterday with new 'cover-up' logo's on!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8599423179/in/photostream
When you got on the Midland bus before Arriva took over, you got the feeling they were operating on a shoe string budget.
The buses are looking smart in the Arriva livery. Its nice to have that knowledge another big heavy weight in the bus world are servicing more routes in Wolvo after buying out Midland. It'll keep NXWM on their toes forsure and crank up the pressure of producing quality bus travel for all in the town.
How??? 99% of Midlands fleet are sheds so its still the same crap buses just repainted into aquamarine! Complemented with a few ex London Darts that are already breaking down. Quality?? Having a giraffe there mate
Wonder how many liveries those ex London vehicles have worn?
Arriva in the West Midlands has got failure written through it like a stick of rock
Quote from: bob on March 29, 2013, 08:39:21 AM
You wouldve thought that by now all red buses would have arriva vinyls yesterday a Midland dart was on the 62 in hednesford. Its normally an ex london pointer dart, confusing for passengers and a crap image for arriva
That's shocking, have you not noticed the hundreds on west midlands travel buses still branded as Travel West Midlands????
Diamond did a brilliant job with the change to Blue Diamond and ok Arriva haven't moved so fast but they are making and big entry. Arriva are doing a brilliant job and I honestly say good on them, Rotala & NX watch out!!!
and hopefully the reason why arriva haven't done anything with the older "clapped out" darts and solo's is that they will be replaced and it actually makes sense to keep them as midland buses rather than spending an extra penny which can be put in to new buses. Arriva have far from got failure up on there doors and combining route 19 and 560 is a brilliant start and hopefully arriva will continue to build on there established network around bloxwich and capitalise on it, some good route branding and marketing and they are in. If it wasn't for my staff pass I would use them everytime!!! Arriva and here and Arriva are going to stay, who will they buy next you should be asking!
Quote from: 4006 on March 28, 2013, 11:20:14 PM
Also Ex Midland Trident/ELC
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8599189138/in/photostream/
I have noticed in that picture that the return fare branding only mentions Arriva, and not valid with NXWM as well as in my picture of 4854 -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8360886327/
Does this mean that the joint return fares have finished, or only Arriva are still offering return fares?
Quote from: John on March 29, 2013, 07:33:03 PM
Quote from: 4006 on March 28, 2013, 11:20:14 PM
Also Ex Midland Trident/ELC
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8599189138/in/photostream/
I have noticed in that picture that the return fare branding only mentions Arriva, and not valid with NXWM as well as in my picture of 4854 -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8360886327/
Does this mean that the joint return fares have finished, or only Arriva are still offering return fares?
Yes I noticed that too, along with the fare increase...I think relations between the two may have already started to deteriorate in anticipation of the next installment!
Quote from: bob on March 29, 2013, 03:00:45 PM
How??? 99% of Midlands fleet are sheds so its still the same crap buses just repainted into aquamarine! Complemented with a few ex London Darts that are already breaking down. Quality?? Having a giraffe there mate
It seems you've misunderstood my message. With two big heavy weights in Wolvo, thing could get interesting from now on.
And yeah, the crap Arriva have inherited are from other operators. Granted, I don't live in Arriva town where you are, so I have a tonnage of your comments bashing Arriva to go on by. They aren't perfect but still, they're MILES better then Midland could ever hoped to be.
I would not expect arriva to make an impact on services in the west midlands-services are being chopped here there and everywhere as they have been since deregulation-112 is the latest-NXWM have a monopoly with diamond and other independents operating other routes and competing. I do not personally see room for another competitior and I dont know why arriva would bother and risk NXWM attacking their routes when they can focus on other areas where they have more of a foothold and improving services and growing patronage there-they have the monopoly in Liverpool, strong presence in Manchester and yorkshire and the north east where services have a lot of potential and they are already well established. Improving buses in liverpool would do more to increase arriva's profits than messing about in the west midlands
That last thing you said, you have a point there. Ah well, a man can dream, eh. Tho why would they bother with tenders services here then? They got Midland on the the cheap so extra profits would be made ?
Quote from: Peter123 on March 29, 2013, 08:05:02 PM
I would not expect arriva to make an impact on services in the west midlands-services are being chopped here there and everywhere as they have been since deregulation-112 is the latest-NXWM have a monopoly with diamond and other independents operating other routes and competing. I do not personally see room for another competitior and I dont know why arriva would bother and risk NXWM attacking their routes when they can focus on other areas where they have more of a foothold and improving services and growing patronage there-they have the monopoly in Liverpool, strong presence in Manchester and yorkshire and the north east where services have a lot of potential and they are already well established. Improving buses in liverpool would do more to increase arriva's profits than messing about in the west midlands
And of course National Express are just about to open a 'coach depot' right in the middle of one of Arriva's areas (Luton) and won a service that will reduce work at Arriva's depot in that area (The A1 (ex 757)
Quote from: Tony on March 29, 2013, 08:28:20 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on March 29, 2013, 08:05:02 PM
I would not expect arriva to make an impact on services in the west midlands-services are being chopped here there and everywhere as they have been since deregulation-112 is the latest-NXWM have a monopoly with diamond and other independents operating other routes and competing. I do not personally see room for another competitior and I dont know why arriva would bother and risk NXWM attacking their routes when they can focus on other areas where they have more of a foothold and improving services and growing patronage there-they have the monopoly in Liverpool, strong presence in Manchester and yorkshire and the north east where services have a lot of potential and they are already well established. Improving buses in liverpool would do more to increase arriva's profits than messing about in the west midlands
And of course National Express are just about to open a 'coach depot' right in the middle of one of Arriva's areas (Luton) and won a service that will reduce work at Arriva's depot in that area (The A1 (ex 757)
And NX are also commencing coach operations branded as 'city2city' in Germany in April & winning rail franchises at the expense of Arriva's parent Deutsche Bahn
Quote from: Winston on March 29, 2013, 08:50:56 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 29, 2013, 08:28:20 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on March 29, 2013, 08:05:02 PM
I would not expect arriva to make an impact on services in the west midlands-services are being chopped here there and everywhere as they have been since deregulation-112 is the latest-NXWM have a monopoly with diamond and other independents operating other routes and competing. I do not personally see room for another competitior and I dont know why arriva would bother and risk NXWM attacking their routes when they can focus on other areas where they have more of a foothold and improving services and growing patronage there-they have the monopoly in Liverpool, strong presence in Manchester and yorkshire and the north east where services have a lot of potential and they are already well established. Improving buses in liverpool would do more to increase arriva's profits than messing about in the west midlands
And of course National Express are just about to open a 'coach depot' right in the middle of one of Arriva's areas (Luton) and won a service that will reduce work at Arriva's depot in that area (The A1 (ex 757)
And NX are also commencing coach operations branded as 'city2city' in Germany in April & winning rail franchises at the expense of Arriva's parent Deutsche Bahn
Go on National Express I say!! For two long have other countries been allowed to win our rail franchises and british companies barred from trying to gain theirs! I say good luck to national express and long may it continue!
Quote from: dannygill on March 29, 2013, 07:19:35 PM
Quote from: bob on March 29, 2013, 08:39:21 AM
You wouldve thought that by now all red buses would have arriva vinyls yesterday a Midland dart was on the 62 in hednesford. Its normally an ex london pointer dart, confusing for passengers and a crap image for arriva
That's shocking, have you not noticed the hundreds on west midlands travel buses still branded as Travel West Midlands????
Diamond did a brilliant job with the change to Blue Diamond and ok Arriva haven't moved so fast but they are making and big entry. Arriva are doing a brilliant job and I honestly say good on them, Rotala & NX watch out!!!
At least TWM / NXWM ARE the same company of sorts not a company thats extinct lol. I would put money on Arri a failing cos theyre pants they cant even put branded buses on properly at cannock. It would be like n putting 51 branded on 997, 4 on 301, 935 on the 41 all day every day. They are crap. Period
Quote from: bob on March 29, 2013, 09:35:17 PM
Quote from: dannygill on March 29, 2013, 07:19:35 PM
Quote from: bob on March 29, 2013, 08:39:21 AM
You wouldve thought that by now all red buses would have arriva vinyls yesterday a Midland dart was on the 62 in hednesford. Its normally an ex london pointer dart, confusing for passengers and a crap image for arriva
That's shocking, have you not noticed the hundreds on west midlands travel buses still branded as Travel West Midlands????
Diamond did a brilliant job with the change to Blue Diamond and ok Arriva haven't moved so fast but they are making and big entry. Arriva are doing a brilliant job and I honestly say good on them, Rotala & NX watch out!!!
At least TWM / NXWM ARE the same company of sorts not a company thats extinct lol. I would put money on Arri a failing cos theyre pants they cant even put branded buses on properly at cannock. It would be like n putting 51 branded on 997, 4 on 301, 935 on the 41 all day every day. They are crap. Period
Yes. a bit like putting 37 branded buses on the 966 every day, 51 buses on the X51, and how long ago was it again that TWM became NXWM??
Yes nx do it but no where near as bad as Arriva in cannock!
Quote from: dannygill on March 29, 2013, 07:24:23 PM
and hopefully the reason why arriva haven't done anything with the older "clapped out" darts and solo's is that they will be replaced and it actually makes sense to keep them as midland buses rather than spending an extra penny which can be put in to new buses. Arriva have far from got failure up on there doors and combining route 19 and 560 is a brilliant start and hopefully arriva will continue to build on there established network around bloxwich and capitalise on it, some good route branding and marketing and they are in. If it wasn't for my staff pass I would use them everytime!!! Arriva and here and Arriva are going to stay, who will they buy next you should be asking!
I agree with Danny. We can talk and talk about the possible failings of Arriva before we've even given them a chance but a firm as big and with as much experience in the industry as Arriva is not going to spend a S*** load of money on a whim! They are not going to buy a whole garage, stacks of buses and staff just for the crack!!! They have a plan and they mean business!!
Ohhh im just judging by their track record, did they mean business when they bought Chase then?? Considering there are now only TWO!!! of their routes still running? And the great way they run cannock depot and services? Please..
Quote from: bob on March 30, 2013, 12:59:21 AM
Ohhh im just judging by their track record, did they mean business when they bought Chase then?? Considering there are now only TWO!!! of their routes still running? And the great way they run cannock depot and services? Please..
Touchy touchy! :o sorry Bob whatever Arriva have done to you it seams worse than the Bit** from hell of ex Mrs's!!!
In fact I forgive my ex I love her again constantly hearing your Arriva hump makes her seam somewhat 'nicer' (P.S for legality and privacy legistlation I am not referring to 'which' ex)
Just to reiterate I did not say they would succeed of fail I was mearly pointing out that 'They' believe they will succeed if they didn't they would not have taken over Midland in the first place and 'Rome wasn't built in a day' :)
And im just pointing out that their track record points toward the direction of failure. ...
Oh come on Arriva buy Midland out and what happens? The 5 best buses get f****d off to d&G leaving arriva with a fleet of shit, its confusing to say that some routes are using Arriva buses, some Midland and others red with Arriva vynls on, some Arriva depots are brilliant, for maintenance, vehicle allocation etc but Cannock are a joke, look at ejz2291 there's a 50/50 chance now u see that on the tow truck, now I'm going back to Wednesday, 2291 (a 51 plate dart) (Cannock) arrived at the depot on a tow truck, Thursda 2290 breaks down (again another cannock 51 plate) and what replaces it 2291? Talk about bodge job!! And half the sheds )referring to solos) at Wednesfield are just as bad, always used on the 23 till the London darts come in and a majority of them had bloody masking tape here there n everywhere
Not forgetting the B10BLEs that are always breaking down and the knackered route 1 buses. And thursday when it was cold but sunny & arriva are putting on their facebook page ' several buses are unable to leave the yard due to extreme weather' What the actual f##k!
Quote from: bob on March 30, 2013, 10:00:30 AM
Not forgetting the B10BLEs that are always breaking down and the knackered route 1 buses. And thursday when it was cold but sunny & arriva are putting on their facebook page ' several buses are unable to leave the yard due to extreme weather' What the actual f##k!
I saw that too.
What was that about?
Correct me if Im wrong, but dont NX Walsall keep their vehicles outside too & there wad no post about them!
The commanders on Arriva route 1 are good, exsterior the branding is brilliant and ok the interior could do with a refurb, but I would rather have a bus refurbed at Midland that will need it far more than "decent" commanders at Cannock.
On a personal note the commander has to be my second favourite bus going I think they were simple wonderful and loved travelling on them for school everyday!
The commanders at cannock are poor.Almost every other one in the fleet has been refurbed apart from Cannocks! So it shows how much they bother! At least 2 of them sound f####d
Route 1 commanders good? Wich 1's have u been using? There all f****d, Burton, Telford and Leicester have refurbed there's, 3701/3704 are f****d and always have been, the brands good? There even better when there on the right route!! 3702 has got an odd panel and has done for months, and interiors ay even worth talking about, there s**t enough said
Also the branding has been incorrect for about 2 years!!! It says the 1 goes from Walsall to Cannock when it goes to bloody Huntington! !!!!
Quote from: bob on March 30, 2013, 12:10:02 PM
Also the branding has been incorrect for about 2 years!!! It says the 1 goes from Walsall to Cannock when it goes to bloody Huntington! !!!!
But that's not incorrect is it? It does go from Cannock to Walsall! Everything you are pointing out about Arriva nx do. For example the branded 997 buses run Walsall-Birmingham don't they? that route branding is Birmingham-Aldridge and the X51 branded as Walsall-Birmingham that goes to Cannock 3 times doesn't it? and then look at 4128, that's had the 1 missing out of its fleet number at the front for maybe even as long as a year, and also has had new panels too.
And I have been on both telford and cannocks commanders. yes they are lovely refurbished inside but as you clearly point out there are buses in much worse condition that should have attention first. have you ever been on a travel express bus I would love to hear what you think of there interiors!
Cannock do have buses ( darts & sb120s) with worse interiors but these dont get refurbed either
Fact is they dont give a s##t about their Cannock operation end of
Quote from: bob on March 30, 2013, 09:30:21 PM
Cannock do have buses ( darts & sb120s) with worse interiors but these dont get refurbed either
Fact is they dont give a s##t about their Cannock operation end of
ever thought if you used cannocks buses more instead of moaning,& did your bit to increase passenger ussage then maybe you might get rewared with referbishments & maybe a few new buses ;)
Quote from: John on March 29, 2013, 07:33:03 PM
Quote from: 4006 on March 28, 2013, 11:20:14 PM
Also Ex Midland Trident/ELC
http://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/8599189138/in/photostream/
I have noticed in that picture that the return fare branding only mentions Arriva, and not valid with NXWM as well as in my picture of 4854 -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8360886327/
Does this mean that the joint return fares have finished, or only Arriva are still offering return fares?
Yes It does as from tomorrow Arriva/Midland return tickets will not be accepted however NX are issuing their own return ticket on Service 10. Arriva are still offering their return fare also
So as someone else mentioned.....Let the Battle commence!!
Do Wednesfield garage operate some of the E200 that came from hill top as i saw 2143 on the 545 today.
@Trident 4609
Was there many passengers on the 545?
Quote from: s-m-991 on March 31, 2013, 11:12:12 PM
@Trident 4609
Was there many passengers on the 545?
Didn't seem to be many people on there however it was 6PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on March 31, 2013, 10:41:52 PM
Do Wednesfield garage operate some of the E200 that came from hill top as i saw 2143 on the 545 today.
Maybe Hill Top has closed and they have moved to Wednesfield, as people think Hill Top is closing.
Would also explain why 2160 was on the 604 last week and 2125 is on Hill Top routes, unless they have transferred to Hilll Top
Hilltop has closed and all routes have moved to Wednesfield some of the E200 have gone to Wigston I believe the others are at wednesfield
Right that explains why all the E200 routes are now operated by Darts, and why I've only seen 2142 ? and wondered were the rest have gone, Why didnt arriva keep the E200's?
I think 2144 to 2150 have gone to Wigston the rest are at Wednesfield
This got on the 257 tonight!
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I am glad I only had a 10 minute ride on it!
Is it a shed?
Is there a reason why only some of the red buses have got an ARRIVA name?
Are the ones without supposed to be withdrawn sooner than the rest?
Quote from: Westy on April 01, 2013, 11:00:34 PM
Is there a reason why only some of the red buses have got an ARRIVA name?
Are the ones without supposed to be withdrawn sooner than the rest?
At a guess, the ones with Arriva names are earmarked for paint and refurb and they are just waiting till they can get some space/time to do it?
Here is ex-Wigston Dart 2257 on the 213
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8645114121/
Are the EX Red Midland buses still based at Wednesfeild Bus Garage ?
Quote from: NathanJC on April 14, 2013, 12:15:46 PM
Are the EX Red Midland buses still based at Wednesfeild Bus Garage ?
Most of them, 3 have been transferred out, one Solo to Shrewsbury (2561), and two Solos two Wardles (2551/2)
see http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/index.html for which are still in service and which are 'reserve'
I try to answer most vehicle queries on the main site before people ask
Im surprised those two Solos went to wardles, the S-FWY one was a shockingly bad bus in a right state. ... surprised it made it up to stoke! Are any of the ex Midland buses going to be withdrawn and replaced? Most of them are pretty naff. Surely the marshall darts have got to be on the way out? And the T-HNH pointers and the Excel
which services now have the envrios on it as they only have 3 for the former HillTop services with dart for the others services
How many East Lancs Dennis Tridents does Arriva Midland have? I've seen shots of the newly painted one but I seen another in full MIDLAND livery.
Quote from: Wolfman on April 18, 2013, 03:21:06 PM
How many East Lancs Dennis Tridents does Arriva Midland have? I've seen shots of the newly painted one but I seen another in full MIDLAND livery.
Just the 2. 4851 in Arriva Livery and 4854 in Midland's old red Livery
4854 is more like a steam engine than a diesel bus. its always receiving attention at the bus station, and sounds like its ready to blow its engine! i know it will take some time, but now midland are under arriva's wing, i though the sight of smokey rattly buses would be dealt with. saw a p reg alx200 on the 10 today, backend black with oil/soot. thought that had been withdrawn by midland before the takeover
P942ems is the 1 and was reinstated just before the take over, god knows why when the others hae left the fleet, only P956RUL left of that batch, ejz2291 is the newer model I believe, I'd like to know what's happening with Y301/2KNB
Quote from: mranon on April 18, 2013, 05:51:56 PM
4854 is more like a steam engine than a diesel bus. its always receiving attention at the bus station, and sounds like its ready to blow its engine!
One of the driver's was saying ever since the engineers started tinkering with one of the deckers (I'm guessing 4854), it's been problematic. ;D
P942 EMS is in a right poor state as is almost all of the ex midland fleet. Arriva should get rid of 90% starting with Solo's.
2141 has been branded for the 9 (lime green) seen earlier parked in w'ton
Quote from: Andrew (a1991) on April 25, 2013, 10:43:01 PM
2141 has been branded for the 9 (lime green) seen earlier parked in w'ton
Yes i saw this which i posted up earlier. It was on the 63/4 today alongside a unbranded E200
Not the best picture because it was off my phone & I've had to shrink the file.
Thats really good to see arriva are making a start with some good branding! Really hope the new 19 gets branded too!
Quote from: dannygill on April 26, 2013, 01:16:03 PM
Thats really good to see arriva are making a start with some good branding!
Agreed, should erase any doubts about how much commitment Arriva have to making the Midland takeover work for them. Although saying that, I'm sure one or two people will be a little harder to convince... ::)
They need to put decent buses on routes to be fair ok there are 3 E200s but thats p#####g in the ocean. Tired crap MPDs tbat are only marginally better than the crap that theyre replacing and still break down regularly arent gonna cut it.
Quote from: bob on April 26, 2013, 01:31:01 PM
They need to put decent buses on routes to be fair ok there are 3 E200s but thats p#####g in the ocean. Tired crap MPDs tbat are only marginally better than the crap that theyre replacing and still break down regularly arent gonna cut it.
Don't forget that because of the closure of the Bentley Road South bridge, the 9 is on diversion via the Black Country Route for the next 18 months. It sounded like the Dart I was on the other day was going to fall apart with the roar of the engine & the rattles on that section of the route!
Quote from: notepanel on April 26, 2013, 02:07:06 PM
Quote from: bob on April 26, 2013, 01:31:01 PM
They need to put decent buses on routes to be fair ok there are 3 E200s but thats p#####g in the ocean. Tired crap MPDs tbat are only marginally better than the crap that theyre replacing and still break down regularly arent gonna cut it.
Don't forget that because of the closure of the Bentley Road South bridge, the 9 is on diversion via the Black Country Route for the next 18 mohnths. It sounded like the Dart I was on the other day was going to fall apart with the roar of the engine & the rattles on that section of the route!
My sentiments exactly. ...
whats going on with midland? a few of the red darts are caked with oil up the backend, and a "new refurbed arriva bus" bought in on the 810 was totally black on the backend. it doesn't look good
Quote from: mranon on April 26, 2013, 06:28:38 PM
whats going on with midland? a few of the red darts are caked with oil up the backend, and a "new refurbed arriva bus" bought in on the 810 was totally black on the backend. it doesn't look good
I have noticed that to. Maybe short of space now Hill Top closed all parked closer to a wall with engines left running splat splat..like the discharge on a Sat morning from a very hot Fri curry & several strong continental largers ;D
Or maybe the new bus wash needs a slight adjustment or maybe the buses need to be driven through the wash slower :P :P :P
Or maybe Arriva are every bit as crap as Midland were lol?
Quote from: 4006 on April 26, 2013, 06:46:20 PM
Quote from: mranon on April 26, 2013, 06:28:38 PM
whats going on with midland? a few of the red darts are caked with oil up the backend, and a "new refurbed arriva bus" bought in on the 810 was totally black on the backend. it doesn't look good
I have noticed that to. Maybe short of space now Hill Top closed all parked closer to a wall with engines left running splat splat..like the discharge on a Sat morning from a very hot Fri curry & several strong continental largers ;D
Or maybe the new bus wash needs a slight adjustment or maybe the buses need to be driven through the wash slower :P :P :P
Black back ends are usually a sign of oil leaks from the engine
Quote from: Tony on April 26, 2013, 07:58:46 PM
Quote from: 4006 on April 26, 2013, 06:46:20 PM
Quote from: mranon on April 26, 2013, 06:28:38 PM
whats going on with midland? a few of the red darts are caked with oil up the backend, and a "new refurbed arriva bus" bought in on the 810 was totally black on the backend. it doesn't look good
I have noticed that to. Maybe short of space now Hill Top closed all parked closer to a wall with engines left running splat splat..like the discharge on a Sat morning from a very hot Fri curry & several strong continental largers ;D
Or maybe the new bus wash needs a slight adjustment or maybe the buses need to be driven through the wash slower :P :P :P
Black back ends are usually a sign of oil leaks from the engine
30802 had this for ages-gives a really bad impression
Quote from: Peter123 on April 26, 2013, 08:06:04 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 26, 2013, 07:58:46 PM
Quote from: 4006 on April 26, 2013, 06:46:20 PM
Quote from: mranon on April 26, 2013, 06:28:38 PM
whats going on with midland? a few of the red darts are caked with oil up the backend, and a "new refurbed arriva bus" bought in on the 810 was totally black on the backend. it doesn't look good
I have noticed that to. Maybe short of space now Hill Top closed all parked closer to a wall with engines left running splat splat..like the discharge on a Sat morning from a very hot Fri curry & several strong continental largers ;D
Or maybe the new bus wash needs a slight adjustment or maybe the buses need to be driven through the wash slower :P :P :P
Black back ends are usually a sign of oil leaks from the engine
30802 had this for ages-gives a really bad impression
I was just 'avin a laugh' does no one on here have a sence of humour??? ::)
I noticed this morning that a ex midland solo has been repainted into Arriva livery not sure of the fleet number but sure it was one of the W reg ones.
Do the 112 and the Mere Green Sainsburys Free Bus interwork in Sutton, as 2159 was on both today.
Seen it on the Sainsburys bus in Sutton and then on the 112 in Lichfield.
plus, do Cannock now operate the Lichfield 15 and the 62, because I saw 2268 and 2209 respectively on those today, and the last time I saw then, Wednesfield ex-London Darts was on those.
DAF DB250LF ALX400 4798 has transferred to Wednesfield and is on Route 19 today!
Is 4854 (East Lancs Trident) being Repainted as i haven't seen it for ages?
15/62 are now run out of Cannock depot and wednesfield? Another decker? Why? Cannock desperatley need a decker or 2 on morning and evenings 74/75 and possibly evening 60's
Cos they havent got a clue how to run a f####n bus service lol
The decker that goes on the 19 moves onto the schools run Arriva do
bob go for a job and Cannock and go sort them out and show them how to do it then!!!
i would hope elc trident 4854 has gone to have its engine attended to first!! it had been knocking and grumbling for weeks, plus reguarly overheating leaving a trail of steam behind it!
One decker does school run there were at least 2 deckers on today
Its not a case of 'get a job at cannock' cannock are a poorly maintained fleet and that's down to the mechanics, even drivers have said that
Quote from: bob on May 17, 2013, 09:58:22 PM
One decker does school run there were at least 2 deckers on today
Its usually 4778, Sometimes Arriva Livered Trident 4851 and now 4798. 4798 doesn't have high backed seats downstairs like the others
Quote from: arrivaaston on May 17, 2013, 10:03:55 PM
Its not a case of 'get a job at cannock' cannock are a poorly maintained fleet and that's down to the mechanics, even drivers have said that
WELL SAID!! CAREFUL THO.U MIGHT BE ACCUSED OF HAVIN.A OPINION AND NOT KNOWING ANY FACTS LMAOOOO.:)))
4801 has been at Wednesfield for a few days now. On the 19 every day.
(I know I'm a few days late, but I assumed someone else had already posted it)
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on May 23, 2013, 09:29:00 PM
4801 has been at Wednesfield for a few days now. On the 19 every day.
(I know I'm a few days late, but I assumed someone else had already posted it)
Saw this today on the 19. First time i saw it. The 19 mainly DD operated now with 4778/4798/4801 and a lot of the time East Lancs Trident 4851
Quote from: Trident 4609 on May 23, 2013, 10:10:24 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on May 23, 2013, 09:29:00 PM
4801 has been at Wednesfield for a few days now. On the 19 every day.
(I know I'm a few days late, but I assumed someone else had already posted it)
Saw this today on the 19. First time i saw it. The 19 mainly DD operated now with 4778/4798/4801 and a lot of the time East Lancs Trident 4851
Are the loadings still crap?
Yea they put deckers on a bloody route that hardly anybody catches! Are they retarded?
Well there were a few passengers and they do smart on the 19 (Especially 4801 which looks brand newly repainted). But unfortunatley doesn't require double deckers.
I think the route would be fine with some Arriva Livered MPD's which do appear from time to time.
Exactly. The S-JUA one looks terrible if u look closely with all the dented panels and sounds dead rough too. Nicely refurbed interior though. I hope cannock gets some of the W reg ones at some point
http://www.arrivabus.co.uk/content.aspx?id=34359738724
Is this likely to be interworked with the 8a?
Wednesfield depot appear to have taken over the Sunday workings on route 142. 2226 W226SNR was on there along with a DAF/ALX400 double decker, I thought it was registered X449XGP but it must have been 4801 X439XGP
Forgot to say 2226 has also been refurbished/repainted and looks smart
Quote from: Winston on May 26, 2013, 04:57:51 PM
Wednesfield depot appear to have taken over the Sunday workings on route 142. 2226 W226SNR was on there along with a DAF/ALX400 double decker, I thought it was registered X449XGP but it must have been 4801 X439XGP
That happened quite a bit ago. A DAF ALX400 on any other route other than the 19 and that school service they operate. So you spotted an ultra rare working ;)
Quote from: Westy on May 26, 2013, 12:46:18 AM
http://www.arrivabus.co.uk/content.aspx?id=34359738724
Is this likely to be interworked with the 8a?
I don't see why it should be - both the 8A and 70 work as around a 50 minute round-trip, with approx. 5 mins layover at either end. By joining the two you wouldn't save on PVR.
Quote from: Winston on May 26, 2013, 04:57:51 PM
Wednesfield depot appear to have taken over the Sunday workings on route 142. 2226 W226SNR was on there along with a DAF/ALX400 double decker, I thought it was registered X449XGP but it must have been 4801 X439XGP
4801 is X449 FGP.
Quote from: a220 on May 26, 2013, 07:43:54 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 26, 2013, 04:57:51 PM
Wednesfield depot appear to have taken over the Sunday workings on route 142. 2226 W226SNR was on there along with a DAF/ALX400 double decker, I thought it was registered X449XGP but it must have been 4801 X439XGP
4801 is X449 FGP.
Ta, I knew it was 449 that I saw but had to check Tony's fleet list for the fleet number, it seems Tony has a typo on 4801
Quote from: Winston on May 26, 2013, 04:57:51 PM
Wednesfield depot appear to have taken over the Sunday workings on route 142. 2226 W226SNR was on there along with a DAF/ALX400 double decker, I thought it was registered X449XGP but it must have been 4801 X439XGP
It happened in the april changes they took over the 142 from bridgnorth and 335 from Cannock. does anyone know if anymore where taking over?
what type of buses are being used on the 10 in wolves as I thought that was ment to be operated by the ex Nottingham deckers? seem to get anything and everything on there
Wednesfield took over 335/8A from cannock and 517 Wolverhampton to Pattingham took over from Telford/Bridgnorth
Quote from: dannygill on May 26, 2013, 09:38:30 PM
what type of buses are being used on the 10 in wolves as I thought that was ment to be operated by the ex Nottingham deckers? seem to get anything and everything on there
Yes, it can get anything. It has a PVR of 4 (?) and they only have 2 Tridents, so there's at least 2, usually 3 Darts on there with a Trident on the 19.
Quote from: dannygill on May 26, 2013, 09:38:30 PM
what type of buses are being used on the 10 in wolves as I thought that was ment to be operated by the ex Nottingham deckers? seem to get anything and everything on there
The Midland Livered East Lancs Trident (4854) has been missing for ages and although branded for the 10 the East Lancs Arriva Livered Trident (4851) spends most its time on the 19.
Could it be a possibility that 4854 has gone for refurb as it was the 1 with a bad interior or possibly gone to help out at Western Greyhound with 1905?
it was knocking and overheating a lot causing regular breakdowns. perhaps its gone for engine/refurb. as for service 10, pvr is 3 going down to 2 during mid day off peak, and 2 buses on saturday
4798
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8867553594/
any one know what time the deckers run onm the 19 on saturdays from Walsall
Quote from: Solo1 on May 28, 2013, 05:38:53 PM
any one know what time the deckers run onm the 19 on saturdays from Walsall
Can't garantee which journey as with any bus route they could turn up on any journey.
Both 4778 and 4798 were on there today.
I pictured 4798 at 2.18pm, for the 2.20 departure, and 4778 came in to work the 19 before 4798 at 1.50pm.
Quote from: bob on May 17, 2013, 10:39:41 PM
Quote from: arrivaaston on May 17, 2013, 10:03:55 PM
Its not a case of 'get a job at cannock' cannock are a poorly maintained fleet and that's down to the mechanics, even drivers have said that
WELL SAID!! CAREFUL THO.U MIGHT BE ACCUSED OF HAVIN.A OPINION AND NOT KNOWING ANY FACTS LMAOOOO.:)))
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Jokes! Mwaaaahhaahaha! I suppose we're allies again bob!
Repainted ex-Leicester 2226 on the 112
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/8891152499/
One of the W-EYG ex midland solos has been repainted into Arriva Livery (Couldn't catch the fleetnumber) so if anyone could tell me which one it is that would be great :)
W282 EYG
Quote from: a220 on June 06, 2013, 09:09:43 PM
W282 EYG
Thanks. Could you explain why 4798 was on midi bus route 64 in Wolverhampton?
2116 broken down in Sedgley.
I like the seating layout in the deckers different to anything ive seen :)
Lol so do the passengers on the 19 all 5 of em :-p
Quote from: vinh1000 on June 08, 2013, 02:49:06 PM
I like the seating layout in the deckers different to anything ive seen :)
Sorry if that was sarcasm which I'm not great at picking up but isnt the seating on these buses appalling. That original london spec was an expensive disaster #londonstyle
The upstairs seating is okay, old fashioned seats. The downstairs seats are a bit uncomfortable. Arriva must have money to burn though wasting them on a dead duck like the 19 its crazy! The mpds on the route arent half full most of the time. Id imagine the bloxwich to wolves section will be axed before too long. The corridor is already pretty well covered
Quote from: Peter123 on June 08, 2013, 03:39:36 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on June 08, 2013, 02:49:06 PM
I like the seating layout in the deckers different to anything ive seen :)
Sorry if that was sarcasm which I'm not great at picking up but isnt the seating on these buses appalling. That original london spec was an expensive disaster #londonstyle
Better than a dart I was on :P i think it was if I remember 4 seats left and right then a sofa style seat at the back
Having said that the noise engine make wasnt good - no dials on the dashboard worked :P
Quote from: vinh1000 on June 08, 2013, 04:17:36 PM
Quote from: Peter123 on June 08, 2013, 03:39:36 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on June 08, 2013, 02:49:06 PM
I like the seating layout in the deckers different to anything ive seen :)
Sorry if that was sarcasm which I'm not great at picking up but isnt the seating on these buses appalling. That original london spec was an expensive disaster #londonstyle
Better than a dart I was on :P i think it was if I remember 4 seats left and right then a sofa style seat at the back
Having said that the noise engine make wasnt good - no dials on the dashboard worked :P
Must be one of the better maintained examples lol
Quote from: Westy on June 08, 2013, 12:00:25 PM
2116 broken down in Sedgley.
And I saw a Arriva livered bus on St Lawrence Way just north of the Darlaston Bus Station around 230pm broken down too!
Everyday occurence in cannock, r330 tjw has broken down around 3 times in the last month and the ejz reg dart is a major culprit! Dont see many sb200s break down though...
Quote from: bob on June 08, 2013, 03:23:10 PM
Lol so do the passengers on the 19 all 5 of em :-p
I had 7 plus me earlier on 4801 bob! :)
Lol so do u agree its a criminal waste of a decker? :-p
Yes I do!
Lol send it to cannock for peak time staffords :-P
Quote from: trainbasher on June 08, 2013, 07:16:28 PM
Quote from: bob on June 08, 2013, 03:23:10 PM
Lol so do the passengers on the 19 all 5 of em :-p
I had 7 plus me earlier on 4801 bob! :)
I was on there on a Friday 10:30 journey from Harden Road and passenger count come in at 10
2553 on the 63/4 in Wolverhampton today looking smart in its new arriva livery
Quote from: Trident 4609 on June 08, 2013, 09:10:11 PM
2553 on the 63/4 in Wolverhampton today looking smart in its new arriva livery
Until it breaks down probably, if my trip around the Black Country was anything to go by!
4797
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9007846061/
Looks like it has been parked up for a good 6 months since refurb with the advert dated December
Has Darts 2157 and 2161 appeared out in service yet?
There is no pic of 2157 in service at Wednesfield on flickr, and is 2161 still in reserve?
Are the ex Yorkshire volvos intended for wednesfield? Rumour was that they were for cannock, 1 of tgem has been parked up at delta way but hasnt entered service there. Cant think what wednesfield routes a full size single decker would be suitable but theyre running deckers on an empty route so nothing would surprise me lol
Ive heard that they are evaluating if they are suitable for service if not they will replace the training fleet
Quote from: John on June 11, 2013, 10:00:34 PM
Has Darts 2157 and 2161 appeared out in service yet?
There is no pic of 2157 in service at Wednesfield on flickr, and is 2161 still in reserve?
I believe they are all in service at wednesfield
Quote from: busman99 on June 12, 2013, 04:20:06 PM
Ive heard that they are evaluating if they are suitable for service if not they will replace the training fleet
Cant think of any reason why they wouldnt be when you look at the clapped out knackers in service at the moment lol
Ideal for services 10 and 35's I think possible even 334!
But the 10 and 35/b/x etc cope okay with midi buses
Quote from: bob on June 13, 2013, 05:56:50 PM
But the 10 and 35/b/x etc cope okay with midi buses
Not all but some of the journeys on the 10 (Peak time mainly) can get busy
A larger dart would probably cope though to be fair wouldnt it? The 10 has had solos run on it recently and they've been okay
It certainly never required tridents lol. Same as tge 19 instead of running a mix of arriva liveried deckers and red darts why not just operate it with the refurbed mpds theyre more than big enough and at least it gets arriva brand across rather than looking crappy and completely bloody inconsistent lol
the 19 might work better if arriva requested a stand change in wn bus station, as it clashes with nxwms no.6. would also help if they actually took more care in checking no-one is waiting for it at the bus station. 2 people were standing waiting, and the driver just swung round and straight out
4801 was on the 19 today, maybe they are having some more double deckers from the old London fleet then
Quote from: busman99 on June 14, 2013, 10:00:23 PM
4801 was on the 19 today, maybe they are having some more double deckers from the old London fleet then
4801 has been at Wednesfield for a couple of weeks now. Not been off the 19 as far as I know.
A decker passed me in new invention on the 19 today bloxwich bound, completely passengerless! I think arriva need to give it up as a bad job lol. Its been a disaster even the 560 was busier. It will be axed before long...
And an utter waste of buses that could be better deployed elsewhere ie not on any wednesfield operated service lol. Transits would be big enough for their busier routes
Is it me or don't they seem to 'push' the routes, compared to NX?
'Come and travel on one of our fantastic knackered Darts, we'll even throw in a breakdown' LOL
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DENNIS-DART-/261231793495?pt=UK_Minibuses_Buses_Coaches&hash=item3cd2a0d557 any one want to buy a 'well looked after' bus
Quote from: Andrew on June 17, 2013, 11:04:27 PM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DENNIS-DART-/261231793495?pt=UK_Minibuses_Buses_Coaches&hash=item3cd2a0d557 any one want to buy a 'well looked after' bus
Well they could have put the pictures the right way round for a start ;D ;D ;D
Is the picture not from the back of the midland yard? they must be desperate to get rid not seen this in service for Donkeys years, Be amazed if it reaches the reserve :P :P
see the refurbs are good. saw solo 2553 today, and it may of had a splash of paint, but aint been touched inside, but more importantly, obviously the engine hasnt been refurbed as it was smelling of burning oil, puffing out blue smoke round wolves today.
Quote from: 4006 on June 18, 2013, 01:54:50 AM
Quote from: Andrew on June 17, 2013, 11:04:27 PM
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DENNIS-DART-/261231793495?pt=UK_Minibuses_Buses_Coaches&hash=item3cd2a0d557 any one want to buy a 'well looked after' bus
Well they could have put the pictures the right way round for a start ;D ;D ;D
Is the picture not from the back of the midland yard? they must be desperate to get rid not seen this in service for Donkeys years, Be amazed if it reaches the reserve :P :P
The bidding started at 99p
9 Branded Enviro200 2141 on the 604 today
Due to warranty work this morning.
2414 repainted and refurbished in Wolverhampton Bus Station around 15:25 this afternoon.
Also 4854 has also been done but not refurbed.
Probably just co-incidence, but every Midland bus I saw today had Arriva fleetnames.
Are the X reg ex London darts that are coming destined for Wednesfield?
They probably are to replace the last mpds that midland had that have had it. I cant see where else they would go
Maybe the marshall darts could be next for the chop
There's only two left anyway.
Quote from: busman99 on June 27, 2013, 09:24:48 PM
They probably are to replace the last mpds that midland had that have had it. I cant see where else they would go
That have had it? Thatd be the entire ex midland fleet then surely? Its all a heap of crap
Would be nice if some one could post on here what buses r on what service
first thing so folks can get snapping the x midland stuff in ARRIVA L
livery
have to say the refurbs are looking fantastic! went on one of the X London darts and the look great so ok! Apart from the number plate I would go as far as saying its is as good as a new bus! and V700CBC the photo tony has put on is great of it, paint job is superb didn't even think I was X midland. Shame some of nx aren't to the same standard but the repainted scanias they have are looking pretty good!
The ex london darts and the db250s look great but its still essentially a knackered old bus rattling and banging underneath, that repainted v plate dart is a terrible bus to travel on the gearbox is really f####d. And the ex london darts are breaking down quite a bit
Rode 2257 on route 112 Lichfield to Sutton last Wednesday afternoon, I thought CK operated that route, not WED.
Made the mistake of sitting over the back wheel-arch, never again, I still haven't stopped vibrating! ;D
Quote from: a220 on June 27, 2013, 10:09:59 PM
There's only two left anyway.
Shame if they go, some of them was ok and with new seat covers still had life in them. Give em a paint job and I reckon you could of still got another 2 maybe 3 years out of them!
Theyre the same age as arriva midlands darts that are/have been withdrawn though. Although admittedly they were marginally better than the pointers though, most of the ex midland ones are absolutely shagged!
Quote from: Ossie on June 29, 2013, 10:36:40 PM
Rode 2257 on route 112 Lichfield to Sutton last Wednesday afternoon, I thought CK operated that route, not WED.
Made the mistake of sitting over the back wheel-arch, never again, I still haven't stopped vibrating! ;D
It's interworked with the 35 isn't it?
What other services at wednesfield are interworked
82, 208, 229, 545 on Sundays
142, 257
298, 299
28, 530 Sundays
20, 21
229, 610
112, 35B
Quote from: a220 on July 01, 2013, 05:33:05 PM
20, 21
229, 610
112, 35B
Some 112 journeys also interwork with the Sutton-Mere Green Sainsburys bus.
And nobody uses any of em lol
Yeah, that's why we run them...
Really? I thought you ran 90% of services cos you were paid to by centro...
On that subject how much money is the 19 losing? Does the passenger numbers cover the diesel for the deckers? Its the most stupid thing ever to run them on it what an absolute joke especially when theres often darts on there too which are usually RED ( great way to promote the arriva brand) and dont even get full...
Quote from: DJ trainbasher on July 01, 2013, 01:36:26 PM
82, 208, 229, 545 on Sundays
142, 257
298, 299
28, 530 Sundays
Where does the 142 service go to/from?
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on July 02, 2013, 10:10:57 PM
Quote from: DJ trainbasher on July 01, 2013, 01:36:26 PM
82, 208, 229, 545 on Sundays
142, 257
298, 299
28, 530 Sundays
Where does the 142 service go to/from?
Stourbridge - Halesowen via Hasbury
Quote from: vinh1000 on July 02, 2013, 10:13:25 PM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on July 02, 2013, 10:10:57 PM
Quote from: DJ trainbasher on July 01, 2013, 01:36:26 PM
82, 208, 229, 545 on Sundays
142, 257
298, 299
28, 530 Sundays
Where does the 142 service go to/from?
Stourbridge - Halesowen via Hasbury
It's basically the fun way of getting to Stourbridge if you don't fancy the 9 ;)
does anyone know what the 335 interworks with?
20\21
Quote from: dannygill on July 03, 2013, 12:26:28 AM
does anyone know what the 335 interworks with?
Not entirely sure but it either works on its own or posdibly interworks with.an 8A or a 70 (Walsall-Bloxwich)
it has to interwork with something or something happens with it as there is usually 3/4 different vehicles on it during the day on a sunday
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 04, 2013, 05:42:50 PM
Quote from: dannygill on July 03, 2013, 12:26:28 AM
does anyone know what the 335 interworks with?
Not entirely sure but it either works on its own or posdibly interworks with.an 8A or a 70 (Walsall-Bloxwich)
Hadn't dgss1 already answered that question
Matt, No the 20/1 interwork, Not the 20/1 and 335
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 04, 2013, 10:56:10 PM
Matt, No the 20/1 interwork, Not the 20/1 and 335
Oh ok I wouldn't know
Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 04, 2013, 11:03:27 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 04, 2013, 10:56:10 PM
Matt, No the 20/1 interwork, Not the 20/1 and 335
Oh ok I wouldn't know
Its ok;) I thought the same thing at first but it clocked that a daytime service (20/21) couldn't interwork with an evening service (Arriva 335)
I don't know how it works on the 335, but it is possible the bus could just be changed as drivers change shifts. A similar system works on Walsall's 997E on Sundays/Evenings, where a replacement bus comes from the depot dead to Pheasey, with the bus coming off driving dead to depot.
The 335 is a pretty tight and nicely timed working (in that it's a 25 minute round trip every 30 minutes), so in theory shouldn't need to interwork with anything. At one point when Cannock operated it, it used to interwork with some journeys on the 2.
The comment about interworking with the 20/21, could be meant as in the running board involves working the daytime 20/21, then goes to operate the evening 335 service. Again I don't know for certain.
I'm pretty sure he just meant the 20 and 21 interwork with each other
Yes
Is Wednesfield still operating the Amazon bus?
If so, any chance of them stopping for passengers on route, as Ive been told, its going past my cousin again, despite being him being at the stop in plenty of time.
Driver has been reported, Ive been told.
Quote from: Westy on July 18, 2013, 07:13:04 AM
Is Wednesfield still operating the Amazon bus?
If so, any chance of them stopping for passengers on route, as Ive been told, its going past my cousin again, despite being him being at the stop in plenty of time.
Driver has been reported, Ive been told.
Strange - Arriva deregistered that service on the 17th April 2013. I am amazed they are running ghost buses past waiting passengers to annoy them!
Quote from: Westy on July 18, 2013, 07:13:04 AM
Is Wednesfield still operating the Amazon bus?
If so, any chance of them stopping for passengers on route, as Ive been told, its going past my cousin again, despite being him being at the stop in plenty of time.
Driver has been reported, Ive been told.
You've been ill-informed, we haven't operated A1 since April.
I wonder how this has only just come to light, he surely must of realised there has not been a bus since April
My mistake.
Apparantly its a private arrangement between Amazon & a private taxi firm.
Quote from: Westy on July 18, 2013, 07:19:52 PM
My mistake.
Apparantly its a private arrangement between Amazon & a private taxi firm.
What was the Arriva bus that was reported for going past then? Your family do seem exceptional unlucky with X51 and A1 journies apparently missing them
Quote from: Tony on July 18, 2013, 09:31:19 PM
Quote from: Westy on July 18, 2013, 07:19:52 PM
My mistake.
Apparantly its a private arrangement between Amazon & a private taxi firm.
What was the Arriva bus that was reported for going past then? Your family do seem exceptional unlucky with X51 and A1 journies apparently missing them
Cant remember the Arriva bus(My cousin's problem, not mine!)
Nice to see you're reading my posts, Tony.
My sister not happy with the x51 on Tuesday by the way!
10 to 15 minutes late on Cannock morning journey 2!
We only moan if we have a good reason!
Probably old news but saw 2112 in Arriva livery today. Thought it was still in Midland livery with arriva logos
The last one repainted.
2554 in now.
Are there any ex midland buses left to be withdrawn or are the remaining ones stayers and going to be sprayed up
Quote from: a220 on July 27, 2013, 06:32:02 PM
The last one repainted.
2554 in now.
Is that a W-EYG solo a220?
W287 EYG - older than would generally be desired, but this one had been rebuilt and extensively refurbished.
Bob, there are still withdrawals due; 2556, 2559, 2566, 2419, 3151 now parked up and 2416 next thus eradicating Marshalls.
2142 now debranded for the 9 (Walsall-Lodge Farm) on the 28E/530 today
Is that the Solo with the DP red seats?
Quote from: bob on July 28, 2013, 07:26:26 PM
Is that the Solo with the DP red seats?
No its an Enviro 200
Bob, 2554 is the Solo with red seats.
We have de-branded one of the 9 vehicles as we have elected not to brand entire PVR for routes in future.
Any ex midland buses going to get refurbished with arriva interiors? Are those ex london X reg darts coming to wednesfield?
Yes, they will be done (they need doing), but the current priority is on getting repaints through. 2125 is the only one to memory which has had both so far.
There are more refurbished Darts due, yes.
Are there any plans to start competing on high profile services? Surely thatd be agood way to expand in the wm. Although nx will probably retaliate, arriva have certainly felt the threat in cannock what with registering loss making services as commercial just to try and keep them out
We need to focus on raising the standard of services we currently operate before expansion is considered.
Refurbished old Darts & Solos might not be the best thing though. It just says 'midibus operator', but then again big buses would be and are wasted on some routes. The 19 would be great with enviros on it, nice and modern and plenty big enough. In your opinion do you think deckers were a good or bad idea, yes they look smart but really theyre old and some sound awful.
But refurbished Darts are decidedly more passenger-friendly and appealing than untreated ones. Yes, us bus enthusiasts would love to roll out new stock, but we need to improve in gradients.
The deckers were selected mainly as they are newly refurbished. They are thirstier than Enviros and the like, though I don't think age is particularly apparent.
They are still old Darts though. And still old deckers. How does that compare in say wolverhampton, walsall and dudley with nx? Wolves and dudley have had injections of new b7rles etc and the spectras which are wolves worst ( apparently) buses are the same type of bus ( bodywork aside) and of similar age to what arriva are bringing in to modernise. Fair play to them if theyre trying but I cant see them taking on nxwm and getting anywhere other than just being the same as midland but aquamarine. With the deckers on the 19 I meant that its nearly always almost empty. ...
Service 19 is a new service which will require time to become established, and use of the extensively-refurbished double-deckers presented the strongest opportunity of providing an Arriva vehicle at the time, rather than a mix of everything else.
The 560 used to have more passengers on than the 19...
Extensively refurbished?
Are the ex Nottingham Tridents still at Wednesfield, haven't seen one for ages, unless they are being used on routes where my path doesn't cross them.
Quote from: 888DUK on August 05, 2013, 08:46:06 PM
Are the ex Nottingham Tridents still at Wednesfield, haven't seen one for ages, unless they are being used on routes where my path doesn't cross them.
At least one was on the 10 route on Thursday
And both out on 10s today.
4804 may be out tomorrow also.
Went past a 19 in new invention fri afternoon almost empty, I think transit minibuses might be the best vehicles fir the route, capacity wise, lol
Quote from: Tony on August 05, 2013, 08:55:30 PM
Quote from: 888DUK on August 05, 2013, 08:46:06 PM
Are the ex Nottingham Tridents still at Wednesfield, haven't seen one for ages, unless they are being used on routes where my path doesn't cross them.
At least one was on the 10 route on Thursday
Both were on there on Saturday as well
Quote from: Arriva WD on August 05, 2013, 08:58:49 PM
And both out on 10s today.
4804 may be out tomorrow also.
Yes 4804 wad out today on the 19. Saw it in Wednesfield
Quote from: 888DUK on August 05, 2013, 08:46:06 PM
Are the ex Nottingham Tridents still at Wednesfield, haven't seen one for ages, unless they are being used on routes where my path doesn't cross them.
Yep both on the 10 still daily although one may sneak onto the 19.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 05, 2013, 09:19:36 PM
Quote from: Arriva WD on August 05, 2013, 08:58:49 PM
And both out on 10s today.
4804 may be out tomorrow also.
Yes 4804 wad out today on the 19. Saw it in Wednesfield
Must have transferred from Thurmaston then
Are we going to have to wait for them to fall apart before we get better buses?
Some are already in a state internally after spending 13 years in London. By better buses, I don't mean brand new, I just mean good condition mid life good looking vehicles that will perform and not break down daily.
Why they insist on putting deckers on a dead route is beyond me they could be better used on routes at other garages that actually carry a few passengers! Ie the 74/75 at cannock or even the pye greens carry more than the bloody 19! Swap em for some darts at cannock. Its interesting that the best arriva can do decker wise is a model of similar age (db250) as nx are soon going to be withdrawing, and equally unreliable. Says a lot really. The downstairs seating arrangement is appalling on them
I think they should unbrand the E200's off the 9 and use them and a few refurbished Arriva Darts on the 19 and they would suit the route. Aa Bobsaid send them to Cannock possibly for the Staffords
Yea they have an aversion to operating deckers at cannock but will happily waste them on empty services on wednesfield and run knackered mpds on busy services at cannock. Good management/allocating not...
Quote from: Tony on August 05, 2013, 08:55:30 PM
Quote from: 888DUK on August 05, 2013, 08:46:06 PM
Are the ex Nottingham Tridents still at Wednesfield, haven't seen one for ages, unless they are being used on routes where my path doesn't cross them.
At least one was on the 10 route on Thursday
Thanks Tony and all you other Guys for sightings, my daily commute to Wolvo doesn't interact with route 10.
Quote from: Arriva WD on July 28, 2013, 10:18:28 PM
Service 19 is a new service which will require time to become established, and use of the extensively-refurbished double-deckers presented the strongest opportunity of providing an Arriva vehicle at the time, rather than a mix of everything else.
Just been on 4804, one of the latest additions...heavily refurbished? ?? Youre having a laugh surely? The brakes shriek, the bus vibrates and sounds absolutely shagged, floor is minging, complete with ripped bits, all theyve done is resprayed it and recovered the seats. Is this really the best they can do? Seriously?
Route 10 wolvo to Perron new timetable up for September showing early evening journeys and Sunday's wonder what Nx will do
Rode 4796 on 19 today, loadings were low as usual and bus was really rattly, kept making this beeping sound and didn't sound particularly healthy. Also the seats were too hot
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 10, 2013, 03:11:38 PM
Rode 4796 on 19 today, loadings were low as usual and bus was really rattly, kept making this beeping sound and didn't sound particularly healthy. Also the seats were too hot
Good bus for the winter then ;)
Doesnt Wednesfield have enough Arriva livery buses to run a Sunday service yet?
(He says, after noticing a red Dart on the 8a!)
No theyve probably all broken down :-p
35/A/B/X35 branded 2143 on the 28E/530
2152 now branded for the 35/A/B/X35 on the 142/257 (Matt saw it while we were in Stourbridge)
2144 also now branded for the 35/A/B/X35 Walsall-Lichfield corridor
9 branded 2141 on the 142/257
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 11, 2013, 03:28:13 PM
35/A/B/X35 branded 2143 on the 28E/530
2152 now branded for the 35/A/B/X35 on the 142/257 (Matt saw it while we were in Stourbridge)
2144 also now branded for the 35/A/B/X35 Walsall-Lichfield corridor
9 branded 2141 on the 142/257
Why so many branded 35's off route, are there no unbranded ones ?
New 35 branding ;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9479162876/
At least the lichfield routes have had an upgrade, even if its only 29 seater buses ( which would suggest thwy arent particularly busy routes). Dont know whatever happened to lichfield corridor it used to be pretty lucrative years ago.
2142 i believe was debranded from the 9 and is now the only unbranded E200. This happens weekly so not unusual to see branded buses off route
Quote from: bob on August 11, 2013, 06:16:22 PM
At least the lichfield routes have had an upgrade, even if its only 29 seater buses ( which would suggest thwy arent particularly busy routes). Dont know whatever happened to lichfield corridor it used to be pretty lucrative years ago.
2152 has been branded aswell which i thought was strange as i thought only the E200's would be branded.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 11, 2013, 06:18:54 PM
Quote from: bob on August 11, 2013, 06:16:22 PM
At least the lichfield routes have had an upgrade, even if its only 29 seater buses ( which would suggest thwy arent particularly busy routes). Dont know whatever happened to lichfield corridor it used to be pretty lucrative years ago.
2152 has been branded aswell which i thought was strange as i thought only the E200's would be branded.
How many in total are now branded ?
9 branded:
2140/1
Walsall-Lichfield 35/A/B/X35 branded (That i have seen)
2143/4 and 2152 (MPD)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 11, 2013, 06:23:54 PM
9 branded:
2140/1
Walsall-Lichfield 35/A/B/X35 branded (That i have seen)
2143/4 and 2152 (MPD)
I quite like the 35 branding, but Id prefer it on the E200's myself
Yeah, what did happen to the Walsall to Lichfield corridor?
Even WMPTE ran the old 394 to Lichfield at one point & there was an evening & Sunday service too!
There isn't a Sunday service on the 9 or 35 so you'd expect them to turn up elsewhere
I remember Petes & WMT competing head to head on the 991 & Petes did make good money on it. Couldn't see that happening now.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 11, 2013, 10:09:47 PM
There isn't a Sunday service on the 9 or 35 so you'd expect them to turn up elsewhere
But there are unbranded buses in the garage on Sunday.
Quote from: Nathan on August 12, 2013, 09:28:30 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 11, 2013, 10:09:47 PM
There isn't a Sunday service on the 9 or 35 so you'd expect them to turn up elsewhere
But there are unbranded buses in the garage on Sunday.
Suppose they want to send out the newer buses instead?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 12, 2013, 09:44:18 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 12, 2013, 09:28:30 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 11, 2013, 10:09:47 PM
There isn't a Sunday service on the 9 or 35 so you'd expect them to turn up elsewhere
But there are unbranded buses in the garage on Sunday.
Suppose they want to send out the newer buses instead?
True, But I dont see the point in Branding if that bus is going to be used elsewhere?
Hpw long dyou reckon before the bloxwich to wednesfield section of the 19 gets axed?
Quote from: bob on August 12, 2013, 09:57:09 PM
Hpw long dyou reckon before the bloxwich to wednesfield section of the 19 gets axed?
I can see it possibly lasting, if not around XMAS, but the loadings are not great, a single could easily cope on the 19, unless its busy around peak hours?
Quote from: bob on August 12, 2013, 09:57:09 PM
Hpw long dyou reckon before the bloxwich to wednesfield section of the 19 gets axed?
They will keep it anyway running it at a loss! The only Arriva route in Wolverhampton that can get busy is the 10 especially at Peak Time (Guess thats why Arriva are restarting on the Sunday Service to compete against NX). Sunday loadings on the 10 are quite busy being hourly
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 12, 2013, 10:07:57 PM
Quote from: bob on August 12, 2013, 09:57:09 PM
Hpw long dyou reckon before the bloxwich to wednesfield section of the 19 gets axed?
They will keep it anyway running it at a loss! The only Arriva route in Wolverhampton that can get busy is the 10 especially at Peak Time (Guess thats why Arriva are restarting on the Sunday Service to compete against NX). Sunday loadings on the 10 are quite busy being hourly
What about the routes to Cannock 70 and the Bridgnorth Routes ?. I noticed today the 70 picked up quite a few passangers, wasn't paying attention to the 890/981 though
Quote from: Nathan on August 12, 2013, 10:02:51 PM
Quote from: bob on August 12, 2013, 09:57:09 PM
Hpw long dyou reckon before the bloxwich to wednesfield section of the 19 gets axed?
I can see it possibly lasting, if not around XMAS, but the loadings are not great, a single could easily cope on the 19, unless its busy around peak hours?
Only time it gets busy is when the OAP's go to/from the Shopping areas (Wednesfield/W'ton/Bloxwich and some peak time journeys (Saw a packed 2208 the other day)
I would have put the E200's on the 19 along with refurbed/Arriva livered Darts
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 12, 2013, 10:15:10 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 12, 2013, 10:02:51 PM
Quote from: bob on August 12, 2013, 09:57:09 PM
Hpw long dyou reckon before the bloxwich to wednesfield section of the 19 gets axed?
I can see it possibly lasting, if not around XMAS, but the loadings are not great, a single could easily cope on the 19, unless its busy around peak hours?
Only time it gets busy is when the OAP's go to/from the Shopping areas (Wednesfield/W'ton/Bloxwich and some peak time journeys (Saw a packed 2208 the other day)
I would have put the E200's on the 19 along with refurbed/Arriva livered Darts
I'd put the Solos on there, and MPDs if needed
I say E200's as they create a better impression being newr buses and you don't want an Arriva bus one day and an Ex Midland (Red livered) bus another as it becomes confusing. One of the Marshall bodied darts hasn't even had its Midland logos removed!
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 12, 2013, 10:21:39 PM
I say E200's as they create a better impression being newr buses and you don't want an Arriva bus one day and an Ex Midland (Red livered) bus another as it becomes confusing. One of the Marshall bodied darts hasn't even had its Midland logos removed!
Repaint the Solos :) and I haven't seen the Marshall Darts in a while, last time I saw one was when I rode one on the 229 back in mid-July
Ive always thought new route i.e 19 and a new buses or newset buses for that route to give it a good impression. If that company has new buses
Lol yea newer smaller buses as opposed to knackered sheds of double deckers
Quote from: bob on August 12, 2013, 10:37:49 PM
Lol yea newer smaller buses as opposed to knackered sheds of double deckers
You should have heard the strange noise coming from 4796 the other day
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 12, 2013, 10:40:02 PM
Quote from: bob on August 12, 2013, 10:37:49 PM
Lol yea newer smaller buses as opposed to knackered sheds of double deckers
You should have heard the strange noise coming from 4796 the other day
What did it sound like?
Quote from: Nathan on August 12, 2013, 10:51:02 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 12, 2013, 10:40:02 PM
Quote from: bob on August 12, 2013, 10:37:49 PM
Lol yea newer smaller buses as opposed to knackered sheds of double deckers
You should have heard the strange noise coming from 4796 the other day
What did it sound like?
Can't decribe exactly but all i can say is they sound knackered and i can see why bob moans about them. Much worse than our Spectras
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 12, 2013, 10:55:07 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 12, 2013, 10:51:02 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 12, 2013, 10:40:02 PM
Quote from: bob on August 12, 2013, 10:37:49 PM
Lol yea newer smaller buses as opposed to knackered sheds of double deckers
You should have heard the strange noise coming from 4796 the other day
What did it sound like?
Can't decribe exactly but all i can say is they sound knackered and i can see why bob moans about them. Much worse than our Spectras
Why dont Arriva invest in a some new DD's ? if its possible
Because apart from the 10 non of Wednesfields services need dd's
Well new buses in general ?
Quote from: Nathan on August 12, 2013, 11:04:46 PM
Well new buses in general ?
At least they have those 12-plate Enviro200s, and the 61-plate VDLs at Cannock. An operator like Arriva perhaps can't afford to buy new vehicles en masse like NXWM can
Why? Theyre a bigger company
And they charge extortionate fares compared to nx, a daysaver is more than 50% more expensive
Quote from: bob on August 13, 2013, 06:52:06 AM
And they charge extortionate fares compared to nx, a daysaver is more than 50% more expensive
You're not wrong there.
The other week, I nearly went further afield, but that, coupled with the hourly frequency on some routes, put me off.
(Went on the Outer Circle instead!)
Quote from: bob on August 13, 2013, 06:52:06 AM
And they charge extortionate fares compared to nx, a daysaver is more than 50% more expensive
But think how far you can go on an Arriva Midlands day ticket. Nowhere near the size4 of the area that NX cover
Does the arriva daysaver cover all areas
Cannock
Hensford
Tamworth
Lichfeild
I think 6 quid is a good price I live in cannock and I get all the way to leicester wich I think is good
Quote from: arrivaaston on August 13, 2013, 10:16:37 AM
I think 6 quid is a good price I live in cannock and I get all the way to leicester wich I think is good
aslong as I can get from
Lichfeild - Tamworth - Cannock - Walsall
Ill pay £6 with a push ;D ;D ;D
Yea its ok for a day out but if you were a regular user for work its expensive compared to nx. For example if ypu work in walsall and nx still ran 351 itd cost u 40 quid a month to get to work or 60 quid to use the arriva one!
Quote from: bob on August 13, 2013, 10:52:27 AM
Yea its ok for a day out but if you were a regular user for work its expensive compared to nx. For example if ypu work in walsall and nx still ran 351 itd cost u 40 quid a month to get to work or 60 quid to use the arriva one!
See I have a Nbus buspass but I know its not valid in that area.
Quote from: Nathan on August 13, 2013, 10:55:07 AM
Quote from: bob on August 13, 2013, 10:52:27 AM
Yea its ok for a day out but if you were a regular user for work its expensive compared to nx. For example if ypu work in walsall and nx still ran 351 itd cost u 40 quid a month to get to work or 60 quid to use the arriva one!
See I have a Nbus buspass but I know its not valid in that area.
No you can't go to those areas with an Nbus Nathan.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 13, 2013, 11:18:01 AM
Quote from: Nathan on August 13, 2013, 10:55:07 AM
Quote from: bob on August 13, 2013, 10:52:27 AM
Yea its ok for a day out but if you were a regular user for work its expensive compared to nx. For example if ypu work in walsall and nx still ran 351 itd cost u 40 quid a month to get to work or 60 quid to use the arriva one!
See I have a Nbus buspass but I know its not valid in that area.
No you can't go to those areas with an Nbus Nathan.
Yup, found that out the hard way ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Nathan on August 13, 2013, 10:45:05 AM
Quote from: arrivaaston on August 13, 2013, 10:16:37 AM
I think 6 quid is a good price I live in cannock and I get all the way to leicester wich I think is good
aslong as I can get from
Lichfeild - Tamworth - Cannock - Walsall
Ill pay £6 with a push ;D ;D ;D
You can Nathan, yes.
You can get all the way from Owestry to the west, to Leicester and Derby in the east. You can also go as far north as Hanley
Also, 35 branded Dart 2152 was on the 610/229 today
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9504781338/
Quote from: John on August 13, 2013, 07:14:13 PM
Also, 35 branded Dart 2152 was on the 610/229 today
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/9504781338/
Don't know why they branded one of the Darts
Quote from: John on August 13, 2013, 07:12:25 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 13, 2013, 10:45:05 AM
Quote from: arrivaaston on August 13, 2013, 10:16:37 AM
I think 6 quid is a good price I live in cannock and I get all the way to leicester wich I think is good
aslong as I can get from
Lichfeild - Tamworth - Cannock - Walsall
Ill pay £6 with a push ;D ;D ;D
You can Nathan, yes.
You can get all the way from Owestry to the west, to Leicester and Derby in the east. You can also go as far north as Hanley
Were is Owestry ?
Quote from: Nathan on August 13, 2013, 07:21:28 PM
Were is Owestry ?
I spelt it wrong there!
OSWESTRY is a small Town north of Shrewsbury. I think it is the 70 that runs between the 2
Oswestry is in Shropshire. Not far from the Welsh border.
Quote from: John on August 13, 2013, 07:25:03 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 13, 2013, 07:21:28 PM
Were is Owestry ?
I spelt it wrong there! OSWESTRY is a small Town north of Shrewsbury. I think it is the 70 that runs between the 2
Not far from Wolverhampton Then ?
Quote from: Nathan on August 13, 2013, 07:41:05 PM
Not far from Wolverhampton Then ?
It would probably take around 2 hours from Wolverhampton. Get the 890 or 891 to Telford (whichever one it is!), then swap for a bus to Shrewsbury, then a 70 to Oswestry.
Quote from: John on August 13, 2013, 07:44:00 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 13, 2013, 07:41:05 PM
Not far from Wolverhampton Then ?
It would probably take around 2 hours from Wolverhampton. Get the 890 or 891 to Telford (whichever one it is!), then swap for a bus to Shrewsbury, then a 70 to Oswestry.
Ill probally take a trip up there soon then, after Ive been to Liverpool(:
Quote from: Nathan on August 13, 2013, 08:11:08 PM
Quote from: John on August 13, 2013, 07:44:00 PM
Quote from: Nathan on August 13, 2013, 07:41:05 PM
Not far from Wolverhampton Then ?
It would probably take around 2 hours from Wolverhampton. Get the 890 or 891 to Telford (whichever one it is!), then swap for a bus to Shrewsbury, then a 70 to Oswestry.
Ill probally take a trip up there soon then, after Ive been to Liverpool(:
I would like to get there as well, but as I drive, it will only take about 45 minutes from Brum. I want to also go to Telford, as that is on the way just off the M54, and Shrewsbury all on the same day
They've been supposed to be having some X reg former london examples for ages but its not happened yet
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Quote from: Nathan on August 13, 2013, 07:41:05 PM
Not far from Wolverhampton Then ?
It would probably take around 2 hours from Wolverhampton. Get the 890 or 891 to Telford (whichever one it is!), then swap for a bus to Shrewsbury, then a 70 to Oswestry.
Ill probally take a trip up there soon then, after Ive been to Liverpool(:
I would like to get there as well, but as I drive, it will only take about 45 minutes from Brum. I want to also go to Telford, as that is on the way just off the M54, and Shrewsbury all on the same day
Unfortunately I cannot do that as I do not drive, so it would be a day by day thing.
Is 4797 about as I havn't seen it yet or 2157/60 along with
2311 what service is best to see them
Quote from: Solo1 on August 14, 2013, 08:08:52 PM
Is 4797 about as I havn't seen it yet or 2157/60 along with
2311 what service is best to see them
For the darts, they will be spread around all of the Midland routes and will be on random routes on different days, say the 647 in Birmingham one day and then the Wolverhampton 57 the next. Its just pot luck to be in the right place at the right time.
As a coincidence, i also need 2157 as well! Found all of the rest, 2161 was hard to find but managed to snap it on the 604 a few months back
2311 is been used for spares, according to Tonys page for it, so won't be in service
4797 will be more than likely on the 19, or possibly the 10, as a few DAFs appear on there as well
Quote from: John on August 14, 2013, 08:13:45 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on August 14, 2013, 08:08:52 PM
Is 4797 about as I havn't seen it yet or 2157/60 along with
2311 what service is best to see them
For the darts, they will be spread around all of the Midland routes and will be on random routes on different days, say the 647 in Birmingham one day and then the Wolverhampton 57 the next. Its just pot luck to be in the right place at the right time.
As a coincidence, i also need 2157 as well! Found all of the rest, 2161 was hard to find but managed to snap it on the 604 a few months back
2311 is been used for spares, according to Tonys page for it, so won't be in service
4797 will be more than likely on the 19, or possibly the 10, as a few DAFs appear on there as well
Just to clear some of these up;
2157 and 2160 are both serviceable; the batch didn't enter service together as not all had valid MOTs after refurb.
2311 is long gone - stripped and scrapped at Watson's, Stafford.
You won't see any Arriva buses on service 647 - this was taken over by WMSNT in October 2012 and has just been won by Diamond for October 2013 start.
4797 won't appear on service 10 - it doesn't have a transponder to operate the barrier in Perton Buslink.
Quote from: Arriva WD on August 14, 2013, 08:46:02 PM
You won't see any Arriva buses on service 647 - this was taken over by WMSNT in October 2012 and has just been won by Diamond for October 2013 start.
4797 won't appear on service 10 - it doesn't have a transponder to operate the barrier in Perton Buslink.
Forgot about the 647, sorry!
Have DAFs got the transponders, as one has been on the 10 before
4796 and 4804 are fitted as back-up for the Tridents.
Are you ever going to get any full sized single deckers?
Quote from: bob on August 14, 2013, 08:57:57 PM
Are you ever going to get any full sized single deckers?
We already have 2208, 2226, 2347, 2412, 2414.
Quote from: Solo1 on August 14, 2013, 08:08:52 PM
Is 4797 about as I havn't seen it yet or 2157/60 along with
2311 what service is best to see them
Rode 2157 on the 57 (Bilston-Wolverhampton) yesterday so thats in service and i did see 2160 somewhere in service recently
Quote from: Arriva WD on August 14, 2013, 08:50:18 PM
4796 and 4804 are fitted as back-up for the Tridents.
Do the Darts/Solos that appear on the 10 (Usually peak time) have transponders then?
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 14, 2013, 09:22:35 PM
Quote from: Arriva WD on August 14, 2013, 08:50:18 PM
4796 and 4804 are fitted as back-up for the Tridents.
Do the Darts/Solos that appear on the 10 (Usually peak time) have transponders then?
They must have to be able to get thought the bus gate in Perton.
Is it the same Darts and Solos all the time Nathan, or are they different ones each day?
Seems to be anything spare in the garage. And half the time the Bollards on the bus way seem to be not working anyway
Quote from: Arriva WD on August 14, 2013, 09:03:18 PM
Quote from: bob on August 14, 2013, 08:57:57 PM
Are you ever going to get any full sized single deckers?
We already have 2208, 2226, 2347, 2412, 2414.
They are all just big Darts, what Bob is getting at is 12M heavy duty single deckers i.e. Volvo B10BLE/B7RLE, Scania Omnilink/Omnicity, VDL SB200's etc
Quote from: Winston on August 14, 2013, 10:44:45 PM
Quote from: Arriva WD on August 14, 2013, 09:03:18 PM
Quote from: bob on August 14, 2013, 08:57:57 PM
Are you ever going to get any full sized single deckers?
We already have 2208, 2226, 2347, 2412, 2414.
They are all just big Darts, what Bob is getting at is 12M heavy duty single deckers i.e. Volvo B10BLE/B7RLE, Scania Omnilink/Omnicity, VDL SB200's etc
Yep thats what I meant 2226 etc are just extended midibuses
Quote from: Winston on August 14, 2013, 10:44:45 PM
Quote from: Arriva WD on August 14, 2013, 09:03:18 PM
Quote from: bob on August 14, 2013, 08:57:57 PM
Are you ever going to get any full sized single deckers?
We already have 2208, 2226, 2347, 2412, 2414.
They are all just big Darts, what Bob is getting at is 12M heavy duty single deckers i.e. Volvo B10BLE/B7RLE, Scania Omnilink/Omnicity, VDL SB200's etc
not so sure a VDL SB200 is classed as heavy duty .
Quote from: bob on August 14, 2013, 06:14:37 PM
They've been supposed to be having some X reg former london examples for ages but its not happened yet
2163 - http://www.flickr.com/photos/59115230@N06/9361173518/
2164 - http://www.flickr.com/photos/59115230@N06/9422535092/
2165 - http://www.flickr.com/photos/59115230@N06/9422473880/
The above three were nearing completion at Hants & Doreset Trim @ the end of July
2167 - http://www.flickr.com/photos/34645962@N04/9304086273/
2167 has been completed & has been dispatched to Wardle's rather than Wednesfield
2167 is only a temp loan to wardles presumably? Whats happening with the ex yorkshire b10bles are most going to wardles?
4801 on the last 334 this afternoon!
;
I presume all NXWM boards on the 34/38/39 involve the 38 and thus cannot be double decked?
2167 is on loan to Wardle and due to come to Cannock, the b10's (v/dbc) are heading to Wardle as are the Ex yorkshire ones (4650/4652) the next to leave the Wardle fleet
Quote from: arrivaaston on August 19, 2013, 12:04:28 AM
2167 is on loan to Wardle and due to come to Cannock, the b10's (v/dbc) are heading to Wardle as are the Ex yorkshire ones (4650/4652) the next to leave the Wardle fleet
When are the B10BLEs due to leave?
Whats gonna replace theb10s at cannock???
An are u sure 2167 is comin to cannock? Thought the ex london mpds were intended for wednesfield. Jesus I hope cannocks b10s dont get replaced with yet more shit darts, and knowing arriva they probably will lol
Saw an Optare Solo in Arriva livery today, looked freshly applied, think it was on the 217. Looked very smart!
Quote from: s94 on August 19, 2013, 07:11:59 PM
Saw an Optare Solo in Arriva livery today, looked freshly applied, think it was on the 217. Looked very smart!
Would have been 2553 or 2554. 2554 was most recent one repainted. 2553 has black/greyish seats and 2554 has red seats.
More tatt from london probably
As already said some of those X reg darts are due there
Walsall-Lichfield branded MPD 2152 on the 57 today
2111 is on the 545/229
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 24, 2013, 06:56:05 PM
Walsall-Lichfield branded MPD 2152 on the 57 today
Has 2152 been on the 35 yet ? or been on every route but ?,
Does the 35 interwork with the 29 or 2? in Lichfeild if not then 2144 the bus I see every time im in WA and Lichfeild was off route on Thursday
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 24, 2013, 06:56:05 PM
Walsall-Lichfield branded MPD 2152 on the 57 today
Beat me to it ;D saw it by Heath Town around 3pm
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 24, 2013, 08:07:41 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 24, 2013, 06:56:05 PM
Walsall-Lichfield branded MPD 2152 on the 57 today
Beat me to it ;D saw it by Heath Town around 3pm
Saw it earlier on by New Cross Hospital going towards Bilston
is the 229 commercial???
No.
2158 is doing the 257/142 loop today
35 branded 2152 is also out on the 257/142
Quote from: DJ trainbasher on August 26, 2013, 04:18:21 PM
35 branded 2152 is also out on the 257/142
Along with a branded E200
2140 on the 213/214
Whats the point in a route branding if its going to appear elsewere i.e 2152 Branded 35 MPD dart
Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 26, 2013, 07:02:50 PM
Whats the point in a route branding if its going to appear elsewere i.e 2152 Branded 35 MPD dart
Because, as I've already said, the 9 and 35 don't run on a Sunday. You may have noticed that the branded buses are almost always appearing off route on Sundays...
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 26, 2013, 07:05:58 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 26, 2013, 07:02:50 PM
Whats the point in a route branding if its going to appear elsewere i.e 2152 Branded 35 MPD dart
Because, as I've already said, the 9 and 35 don't run on a Sunday. You may have noticed that the branded buses are almost always appearing off route on Sundays...
What Im saying is on a Sunday there must be a quarter of the garage full with unbranded bus, considering the 9/35 don't run into the late evening they couldn't be the buses easiest to get at ::), so why use a branded bus ?????
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 26, 2013, 07:05:58 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 26, 2013, 07:02:50 PM
Whats the point in a route branding if its going to appear elsewere i.e 2152 Branded 35 MPD dart
Because, as I've already said, the 9 and 35 don't run on a Sunday. You may have noticed that the branded buses are almost always appearing off route on Sundays...
Well i was in walsall on friday and there were route branded buses off route then so I agree with nathan there is no point branding buses if you cannot commit to putting them on the right routes
Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 26, 2013, 07:09:10 PM
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Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 26, 2013, 07:02:50 PM
Whats the point in a route branding if its going to appear elsewere i.e 2152 Branded 35 MPD dart
Because, as I've already said, the 9 and 35 don't run on a Sunday. You may have noticed that the branded buses are almost always appearing off route on Sundays...
What Im saying is on a Sunday there must be a quarter of the garage full with unbranded bus, considering the 9/35 don't run into the late evening they couldn't be the buses easiest to get at ::), so why use a branded bus ?????
Well during the week it's a bit silly, but on a Sunday when the routes don't run, Arriva might intend to advertise the existance of the branded route in other areas by sending the buses out on different routes.
However, I suppose it could be argued not many people in Dudley are going to have any intention of catching Walsall/Lichfield routes.
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Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 26, 2013, 07:02:50 PM
Whats the point in a route branding if its going to appear elsewere i.e 2152 Branded 35 MPD dart
Because, as I've already said, the 9 and 35 don't run on a Sunday. You may have noticed that the branded buses are almost always appearing off route on Sundays...
What Im saying is on a Sunday there must be a quarter of the garage full with unbranded bus, considering the 9/35 don't run into the late evening they couldn't be the buses easiest to get at ::), so why use a branded bus ?????
Well during the week it's a bit silly, but on a Sunday when the routes don't run, Arriva might intend to advertise the existance of the branded route in other areas by sending the buses out on different routes.
However, I suppose it could be argued not many people in Dudley are going to have any intention of catching Walsall/Lichfield routes.
I'm pretty sure there is other ways to advertise a new route than place the branded bus off route in Dudley;D
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Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 26, 2013, 07:02:50 PM
Whats the point in a route branding if its going to appear elsewere i.e 2152 Branded 35 MPD dart
Because, as I've already said, the 9 and 35 don't run on a Sunday. You may have noticed that the branded buses are almost always appearing off route on Sundays...
What Im saying is on a Sunday there must be a quarter of the garage full with unbranded bus, considering the 9/35 don't run into the late evening they couldn't be the buses easiest to get at ::), so why use a branded bus ?????
Well during the week it's a bit silly, but on a Sunday when the routes don't run, Arriva might intend to advertise the existance of the branded route in other areas by sending the buses out on different routes.
However, I suppose it could be argued not many people in Dudley are going to have any intention of catching Walsall/Lichfield routes.
I'm pretty sure there is other ways to advertise a new route than place the branded bus off route in Dudley;D
No harm in doing it though, if it's the most conveniently parked bus in the depot, then no reason not to, it's not like the 142/257 goes anywhere near Walsall or Lichfield so no risk of confusion. I don't think any passengers really care if their bus is branded for a different route
Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 26, 2013, 07:20:05 PM
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Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 26, 2013, 07:05:58 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 26, 2013, 07:02:50 PM
Whats the point in a route branding if its going to appear elsewere i.e 2152 Branded 35 MPD dart
Because, as I've already said, the 9 and 35 don't run on a Sunday. You may have noticed that the branded buses are almost always appearing off route on Sundays...
What Im saying is on a Sunday there must be a quarter of the garage full with unbranded bus, considering the 9/35 don't run into the late evening they couldn't be the buses easiest to get at ::), so why use a branded bus ?????
Well during the week it's a bit silly, but on a Sunday when the routes don't run, Arriva might intend to advertise the existance of the branded route in other areas by sending the buses out on different routes.
However, I suppose it could be argued not many people in Dudley are going to have any intention of catching Walsall/Lichfield routes.
I'm pretty sure there is other ways to advertise a new route than place the branded bus off route in Dudley;D
No harm in doing it though, if it's the most conveniently parked bus in the depot, then no reason not to, it's not like the 142/257 goes anywhere near Walsall or Lichfield so no risk of confusion. I don't think any passengers really care if their bus is branded for a different route
Fair enough I can see what your saying, But i can imagine there are other buses unbranded that are easy to get at too ? if Im wrong which im probably not ill apologize (:
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Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 26, 2013, 07:02:50 PM
Whats the point in a route branding if its going to appear elsewere i.e 2152 Branded 35 MPD dart
Because, as I've already said, the 9 and 35 don't run on a Sunday. You may have noticed that the branded buses are almost always appearing off route on Sundays...
What Im saying is on a Sunday there must be a quarter of the garage full with unbranded bus, considering the 9/35 don't run into the late evening they couldn't be the buses easiest to get at ::), so why use a branded bus ?????
Well during the week it's a bit silly, but on a Sunday when the routes don't run, Arriva might intend to advertise the existance of the branded route in other areas by sending the buses out on different routes.
However, I suppose it could be argued not many people in Dudley are going to have any intention of catching Walsall/Lichfield routes.
I'm pretty sure there is other ways to advertise a new route than place the branded bus off route in Dudley;D
No harm in doing it though, if it's the most conveniently parked bus in the depot, then no reason not to, it's not like the 142/257 goes anywhere near Walsall or Lichfield so no risk of confusion. I don't think any passengers really care if their bus is branded for a different route
I think passengers do actually not so much care but can get confused by it especially if the display isnt working properly. Not an issue here where arriva use the same base livery for the branding but elsewhere ie the north east/trent barton even some first/stagecoach routes it could be very confusing and some passengers were very confused by a wessex connect mpd the other day....
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Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 26, 2013, 07:02:50 PM
Whats the point in a route branding if its going to appear elsewere i.e 2152 Branded 35 MPD dart
Because, as I've already said, the 9 and 35 don't run on a Sunday. You may have noticed that the branded buses are almost always appearing off route on Sundays...
What Im saying is on a Sunday there must be a quarter of the garage full with unbranded bus, considering the 9/35 don't run into the late evening they couldn't be the buses easiest to get at ::), so why use a branded bus ?????
Well during the week it's a bit silly, but on a Sunday when the routes don't run, Arriva might intend to advertise the existance of the branded route in other areas by sending the buses out on different routes.
However, I suppose it could be argued not many people in Dudley are going to have any intention of catching Walsall/Lichfield routes.
I'm pretty sure there is other ways to advertise a new route than place the branded bus off route in Dudley;D
No harm in doing it though, if it's the most conveniently parked bus in the depot, then no reason not to, it's not like the 142/257 goes anywhere near Walsall or Lichfield so no risk of confusion. I don't think any passengers really care if their bus is branded for a different route
I think passengers do actually not so much care but can get confused by it especially if the display isnt working properly. Not an issue here where arriva use the same base livery for the branding but elsewhere ie the north east/trent barton even some first/stagecoach routes it could be very confusing and some passengers were very confused by a wessex connect mpd the other day....
The same happens with the 934E when a branded 51 turns up around by the courts
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Whats the point in a route branding if its going to appear elsewere i.e 2152 Branded 35 MPD dart
Because, as I've already said, the 9 and 35 don't run on a Sunday. You may have noticed that the branded buses are almost always appearing off route on Sundays...
What Im saying is on a Sunday there must be a quarter of the garage full with unbranded bus, considering the 9/35 don't run into the late evening they couldn't be the buses easiest to get at ::), so why use a branded bus ?????
Well during the week it's a bit silly, but on a Sunday when the routes don't run, Arriva might intend to advertise the existance of the branded route in other areas by sending the buses out on different routes.
However, I suppose it could be argued not many people in Dudley are going to have any intention of catching Walsall/Lichfield routes.
I'm pretty sure there is other ways to advertise a new route than place the branded bus off route in Dudley;D
No harm in doing it though, if it's the most conveniently parked bus in the depot, then no reason not to, it's not like the 142/257 goes anywhere near Walsall or Lichfield so no risk of confusion. I don't think any passengers really care if their bus is branded for a different route
I think passengers do actually not so much care but can get confused by it especially if the display isnt working properly. Not an issue here where arriva use the same base livery for the branding but elsewhere ie the north east/trent barton even some first/stagecoach routes it could be very confusing and some passengers were very confused by a wessex connect mpd the other day....
The same happens with the 934E when a branded 51 turns up around by the courts
Or 51s on the X51 and vice-versa
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Whats the point in a route branding if its going to appear elsewere i.e 2152 Branded 35 MPD dart
Because, as I've already said, the 9 and 35 don't run on a Sunday. You may have noticed that the branded buses are almost always appearing off route on Sundays...
What Im saying is on a Sunday there must be a quarter of the garage full with unbranded bus, considering the 9/35 don't run into the late evening they couldn't be the buses easiest to get at ::), so why use a branded bus ?????
Well during the week it's a bit silly, but on a Sunday when the routes don't run, Arriva might intend to advertise the existance of the branded route in other areas by sending the buses out on different routes.
However, I suppose it could be argued not many people in Dudley are going to have any intention of catching Walsall/Lichfield routes.
I'm pretty sure there is other ways to advertise a new route than place the branded bus off route in Dudley;D
No harm in doing it though, if it's the most conveniently parked bus in the depot, then no reason not to, it's not like the 142/257 goes anywhere near Walsall or Lichfield so no risk of confusion. I don't think any passengers really care if their bus is branded for a different route
I think passengers do actually not so much care but can get confused by it especially if the display isnt working properly. Not an issue here where arriva use the same base livery for the branding but elsewhere ie the north east/trent barton even some first/stagecoach routes it could be very confusing and some passengers were very confused by a wessex connect mpd the other day....
The same happens with the 934E when a branded 51 turns up around by the courts
Or 51s on the X51 and vice-versa
Seen 51 Branded bus out on the X51. but haven't seen an X51 branded on the 51 YET ;D
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Whats the point in a route branding if its going to appear elsewere i.e 2152 Branded 35 MPD dart
Because, as I've already said, the 9 and 35 don't run on a Sunday. You may have noticed that the branded buses are almost always appearing off route on Sundays...
What Im saying is on a Sunday there must be a quarter of the garage full with unbranded bus, considering the 9/35 don't run into the late evening they couldn't be the buses easiest to get at ::), so why use a branded bus ?????
Well during the week it's a bit silly, but on a Sunday when the routes don't run, Arriva might intend to advertise the existance of the branded route in other areas by sending the buses out on different routes.
However, I suppose it could be argued not many people in Dudley are going to have any intention of catching Walsall/Lichfield routes.
I'm pretty sure there is other ways to advertise a new route than place the branded bus off route in Dudley;D
No harm in doing it though, if it's the most conveniently parked bus in the depot, then no reason not to, it's not like the 142/257 goes anywhere near Walsall or Lichfield so no risk of confusion. I don't think any passengers really care if their bus is branded for a different route
I think passengers do actually not so much care but can get confused by it especially if the display isnt working properly. Not an issue here where arriva use the same base livery for the branding but elsewhere ie the north east/trent barton even some first/stagecoach routes it could be very confusing and some passengers were very confused by a wessex connect mpd the other day....
The same happens with the 934E when a branded 51 turns up around by the courts
Or 51s on the X51 and vice-versa
Seen 51 Branded bus out on the X51. but haven't seen an X51 branded on the 51 YET ;D
Yeah went on a 51 on the X51-brilliant enviro being thrashed virtually empty so nice quick ride to walsall
DD on the 334 again on Friday, so presumably a regular working.
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DD on the 334 again on Friday, so presumably a regular working.
never seem to see this sighting when Im in WA/Bilston >:(
It was on what I took to be a slightly late 13.15 from Bilston - difficult to work out how many buses the 334 has because traveline doesn't seem to have any Bradford Place times and when I left slightly later all Darlaston routes were running around ten minutes late!
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in WA tomorrow so hopefully will see it ;)
2152 seen on the 35 :o ;D first ive seen this bus on its route
Surprised no one has commented on the Blakenall bus crash involving one of the red Darts?
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Surprised no one has commented on the Blakenall bus crash involving one of the red Darts?
One of the Y-HKE red darts in someone's front garden
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Surprised no one has commented on the Blakenall bus crash involving one of the red Darts?
One of the Y-HKE red darts in someone's front garden
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/emergency-services/2013/09/10/five-taken-to-hospital-as-bus-and-car-collide-in-bloxwich/31830701/
I think it's incredibly lucky/skilful (depending on which way you look at it), that the bus has managed to avoid hitting the house! At first glance it's as if someone's just parked the bus up their drive!
and i bet everyone reading e&s assumed it was nxwm! i did as they first used headline pic of ambulance in front of a red fronted decker!
When Midland took over the A2Z fleet, didn't a similar type of bus have a similar accident also in Blakenall?
Sure it was flagged up on the old forum at the time!
Quote from: Westy on September 11, 2013, 05:34:29 AM
When Midland took over the A2Z fleet, didn't a similar type of bus have a similar accident also in Blakenall?
Sure it was flagged up on the old forum at the time!
That was one of the Marshall bodied darts
Just picked up the arriva dudley and sandwell area bus guide from halesowen bus station. Anyone know if there are any more for other areas and where you pick them up from? Thanks In fairness to arriva its a good guide-diamond should do one
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Just picked up the arriva dudley and sandwell area bus guide from halesowen bus station. Anyone know if there are any more for other areas and where you pick them up from? Thanks In fairness to arriva its a good guide-diamond should do one
Walsall from Walsall.
I've also had Wolverhampton from Walsall too, for the previous changes & Lichfield from Lichfield.
Really wanted Cannock, but I'll make do with the PDF off the website
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Just picked up the arriva dudley and sandwell area bus guide from halesowen bus station. Anyone know if there are any more for other areas and where you pick them up from? Thanks In fairness to arriva its a good guide-diamond should do one
Walsall from Walsall.
I've also had Wolverhampton from Walsall too, for the previous changes & Lichfield from Lichfield.
Really wanted Cannock, but I'll make do with the PDF off the website
Thanks Westy :)
I wonder of wednesfield will ever have any full sized single decker buses in its allocation
I wonder if wednesfield will ever operate full size single deckers? ?
Oops! Apologies didnt think it had gone through first time
Quote from: bob on September 11, 2013, 08:08:38 PM
I wonder if wednesfield will ever operate full size single deckers? ?
Theyve got a full sized dart;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9493692501/in/set-72157632455059364
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I wonder if wednesfield will ever operate full size single deckers? ?
Theyve got a full sized dart;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9493692501/in/set-72157632455059364
Plus I remember riding a full size ALX200 Dart on the 18
A slf dart is not a full size single decker? Its about the same size and seating capacity of an nx b6. I mean a proper full sized bus as in b7rles, b10ble etc
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A slf dart is not a full size single decker? Its about the same size and seating capacity of an nx b6. I mean a proper full sized bus as in b7rles, b10ble etc
Ex Midland Scania Ominilinks ?, actully then again I Dont think they entered service with Arriva ?
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A slf dart is not a full size single decker? Its about the same size and seating capacity of an nx b6. I mean a proper full sized bus as in b7rles, b10ble etc
Ex Midland Scania Ominilinks ?, actully then again I Dont think they entered service with Arriva ?
No they weren't included in the purchase of Midland so were sent to Arriva
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A slf dart is not a full size single decker? Its about the same size and seating capacity of an nx b6. I mean a proper full sized bus as in b7rles, b10ble etc
Ex Midland Scania Ominilinks ?, actully then again I Dont think they entered service with Arriva ?
Nope, didn't pass to Arriva.
Bob, the Dart that was referred to has 40+ seats. I understand what was meant was a proper heavy duty single decker.
But no, they currently have no proper full size single deckers.
I expect they will do sometime, but I don't think it will be in the next year.
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I wonder if wednesfield will ever operate full size single deckers? ?
Theyve got a full sized dart;
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/9493692501/in/set-72157632455059364
Plus I remember riding a full size ALX200 Dart on the 18
Yes thats 2226,A W-SNR dart however as mentioned not a full heavy duty single decker like a B10BLE or B7RLE
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No they weren't included in the purchase of Midland so were sent to Arriva
The 3 OmniCitys were sent to D&G, and I think they are now with South Lancs Travel
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A slf dart is not a full size single decker? Its about the same size and seating capacity of an nx b6. I mean a proper full sized bus as in b7rles, b10ble etc
Ex Midland Scania Ominilinks ?, actully then again I Dont think they entered service with Arriva ?
Nope, didn't pass to Arriva.
Bob, the Dart that was referred to has 40+ seats. I understand what was meant was a proper heavy duty single decker.
But no, they currently have no proper full size single deckers.
I expect they will do sometime, but I don't think it will be in the next year.
I can imagine some of the older sb200s being cascaded in....
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A slf dart is not a full size single decker? Its about the same size and seating capacity of an nx b6. I mean a proper full sized bus as in b7rles, b10ble etc
Ex Midland Scania Ominilinks ?, actully then again I Dont think they entered service with Arriva ?
Nope, didn't pass to Arriva.
Bob, the Dart that was referred to has 40+ seats. I understand what was meant was a proper heavy duty single decker.
But no, they currently have no proper full size single deckers.
I expect they will do sometime, but I don't think it will be in the next year.
I can imagine some of the older sb200s being cascaded in....
I wonder if the new/newer cascades are in response to NXWM's recent interest in Cannock area tenders?
All three buses on the 334 today were Darts, so my two DD observations were perhaps just co-incidence.
Anyone else noticed now Arrivaare accepting NXWM Bus Passes/tickets for 50p :D
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Anyone else noticed now Arrivaare accepting NXWM Bus Passes/tickets for 50p :D
They obviously dont want to make any profits then-a bit of a desperation tactic to revive failing commercial routes eg 334 and 9. Ironically its Thandi that are destroying them on the 334-theyre usually fairly full whereas arriva are mostly empty.
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Anyone else noticed now Arrivaare accepting NXWM Bus Passes/tickets for 50p :D
They obviously dont want to make any profits then-a bit of a desperation tactic to revive failing commercial routes eg 334 and 9. Ironically its Thandi that are destroying them on the 334-theyre usually fairly full whereas arriva are mostly empty.
There on the 110/604 etc most WM Arriva buses I think :D
Nothing could be classed as a failing route more than the 19 lol
Are there only 3 buses branded for the 35 ?
noted 2143 off on the 112, so its getting closer to getting back on the 35
I think the 112 and 35 interwork so can be seen I think as a normal working
thought the 35 interworked with the 22 or 25 or something in Lichfeild as Ive seen a Branded 35 on there too, actually im not sure which route I havent seen a branded 35 on ?
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I think the 112 and 35 interwork so can be seen I think as a normal working
Yes at least one of the Walsall-Lichfield services interwork with the 112
I think the 35 interworks with 22 or 25 carnt remeber of the top of my head, as when ive been in Lichfeild not seen a 112 go out as a 35 and visa-versa
35 interworks with 29 and 35B interworks with 112.
The 112 will get the axe before long, 2 hourly and curtailed to sutton? Why would you bother when theres the hourly x12 ? Its the same with goin to burton why would ypu want to sit on the 7 for an hour on a clapped out dart when you can go on a nicer bus and be there in less than 30 min? I bet arriva are kicking themselves they never had the idea for the X12 lol
Why don't Wednesfeild re-extended it to Birmingham ?
Its obviously been curtailed to Sutton cos nobody used it to Birmingham
im all out of ideas then
Considerin its been 12 months since they took over wednesfield they aint exactly made an impact or expanded have they? Clapped out darts and solos have been replaced with more clapped out darts and 4 enviros that were already in the fleet. And tge the 19s an embarrasment lol. Can anyone seriously see them beefin up and taking NXon with their darts and 'extensively refurbished' deckers and being successful?
604 is quite well used ;) on Saturday I had the pleasure of the bus all to myself to sutton then a few OAP'S got on but were off after a few stops then had it all to myself again to Mere Green :).
110/116 does quite well, but is not ran by Wednesfeild
10 - Wolverhampton - Perton ? is that not a success
891/892 - is very well used, well it is everytime I see anyway, but again not ran by Wednesfeild
10 wolves perton was already successful but imo doesnt need a decker ive never seen one full? I mean with regard to expansion and new services. The 19 is a joke lol
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10 wolves perton was already successful but imo doesnt need a decker ive never seen one full? I mean with regard to expansion and new services. The 19 is a joke lol
Thats probaly down to the route it takes, its too long, but great having a top decker to yourself ;), wonder what the 310 will be like ? when its introduced
I presume Cannock will not be running Amazon A2 or A3 services??
On services like 213/214 , its busy at peak and i would not say empty outside of this
Quote from: vinh1000 on September 29, 2013, 09:00:03 PM
I presume Cannock will not be running Amazon A2 or A3 services??
On services like 213/214 , its busy at peak and i would not say empty outside of this
is that the one that ran into Wolverhampton
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I presume Cannock will not be running Amazon A2 or A3 services??
On services like 213/214 , its busy at peak and i would not say empty outside of this
is that the one that ran into Wolverhampton
The one that ran into Wolverhampton was the A1
Quote from: vinh1000 on September 29, 2013, 09:00:03 PM
I presume Cannock will not be running Amazon A2 or A3 services??
On services like 213/214 , its busy at peak and i would not say empty outside of this
Depends what youd class as busy? A route that 3/4 or even fills a 29 seater bus I wouldnt class as a busy route?
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Quote from: vinh1000 on September 29, 2013, 09:00:03 PM
I presume Cannock will not be running Amazon A2 or A3 services??
On services like 213/214 , its busy at peak and i would not say empty outside of this
Depends what youd class as busy? A route that 3/4 or even fills a 29 seater bus I wouldnt class as a busy route?
busy maybe 3/4 full but otherwise empty outside of this time
4807 and 4810 now in use on the 19 today
Quote from: Ashley 4566 on September 30, 2013, 12:54:19 PM
4807 and 4810 now in use on the 19 today
Yes saw 4810 in Wednesfield about 5 past 3 this afternoon
What like more pointless deckers? Lol
Travelled on the 20 between Bearwood & Oldbury today.
Noticed whenever an oap touched there pass on the reader that a ticket was produced. When i got off i noticed it read "FREE TRAVEL RECEIPT".
Is this normal now?
Yes, Arriva issue a ticket when pass is placed over smart reader as normal practice.
why ikssue a ticket when they have free travel anyway
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why ikssue a ticket when they have free travel anyway
Good question, one point, surely it must increase the amount of ticket rolls they use dramatically.
S251 JUA sounds dreadful. The brakes have sounded bad on it for ages but are now screeching to the point where it can be heard halfway down the road. Take it theyre unable to maintain their buses?
Its also absolutely filthy inside
I sometimes see a 9 branded vehicle going along Churchill Road in Bentley, turning left towards Bloxwich, around 1730.
Any idea what route that goes onto?
Apparently some MPD darts are going to be branded up for the new 310. Quality comfortable and modern then lol
The Arriva liveried vehicles I see 9 times out of 10 look presentable from the outside.
It's just certain vehicles including the red ones that let the side down!
Yea they look ok but the newest is 11 yrs old pushing 12 :-/
4800 now at Wednesfield, meaning the entire batch of DAFs cascaded from London are all now in use in this division
Quote from: Ashley 4566 on October 22, 2013, 01:28:13 PM
4800 now at Wednesfield, meaning the entire batch of DAFs cascaded from London are all now in use in this division
Its been in use a few weeks now Ashley :) Saw it a few weeks back on the 19 in Wednesfield
Already a branded 310 dart on the 214. And the 310 started today!
2153 branded for the 310 on the 213
2156 branded for the 310 on the 214
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 28, 2013, 07:23:06 AM
Already a branded 310 dart on the 214. And the 310 started today!
You shouldnt expect nothin else lol :-p
Have you seen the style of branding arriva used on the 1 deckers in Burton and the x38 and also the x31? Im surprised wednesfield havent used that? Would look good....
2153 and 2288 have swapped so 2288 is now on the 213 ex 310 and 2153 is now on the 310 ex 213
All marshall darts now scrapped at wednesfield, 2103 in the process of being stripped
So what's left from the inherited Midland fleet then?
Quite a few ex midland darts still in use and a few solos
Been in Darlaston earlier seen a few 9s and 334s go past. Neither of them are very busy routes are they? A wasted decker on the 334
Anyone else think arriva are gonna cut their losses on the 19 after Christmas?
I dont think they will as it is a commercial service now, i think maybe the route needs more promotion
Quote from: ARRIVA / S I on November 01, 2013, 08:50:38 PM
Not too clued up on WD buses at the moment how many double deckers have WD got at moment ?
They have the 2 ex-Nottingham Tridents that are used mainly on the 10
I think they have around 8-10 ex-London DAF Deckers, used on the 19, and I think the Amazon services A2 and A3
Quote from: ARRIVA / S I on November 01, 2013, 08:50:38 PM
Not too clued up on WD buses at the moment how many double deckers have WD got at moment ?
Far too many as they get used on routes that are dead
Yesterday I was on 2554 on the 604 an there was man. With a clipboard which looked like he was ticking boxes. What would he have been doing ?
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 05, 2013, 01:47:06 PM
Yesterday I was on 2554 on the 604 an there was man. With a clipboard which looked like he was ticking boxes. What would he have been doing ?
DQM (Driver Quality Management) maybe, or maybe checking passengers numbers
Are all the remaining red darts going to be kept? (Mainly y-hke), and resprayed?
It doesn't look like re routing the 19 has made much difference to the loadings, on a dart now in it leaving wolves ( this should be the 16.20 one, was ten mins late, then when the bus changed drivers at the back of the market the drivers thought itd be a goid idea to chat away in foreign fir 5 mins! Making it even later) 12 people on busiest ive everseen Iit but proof that a dart would be ideal. Why not brand up some ex london ones
4778 on the 19 today but moved to the 10 by this afternoon
Trying to photograph the A2 & A3 at 6am on a badly light road in Hednesford is not easy!
http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/4807.html
Quote from: Tony on November 08, 2013, 10:05:35 PM
Trying to photograph the A2 & A3 at 6am on a badly light road in Hednesford is not easy!
http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/4807.html
I'll let you off on that one haha
W reg DAF on the 334 on Monday had a cracked upper deck nearside front window. It also seemed to either have the remains of contravision or a too small piece of anti etching surface on the offside.
East Lancs Bodied Trident 4854 on the 517 this afternoon. Seen at Chapel Ash about 16:50
which arriva buses are branded for the 310, ive got
2151/54/55
Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 15, 2013, 08:39:18 PM
which arriva buses are branded for the 310, ive got
2151/54/55
2156 aswell
thanks nath & matt
I have seen Ariva buses running in two's on the number 9's often last week,
this is one of the reasons people wait for the 333x leaving the number 9 empty.
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Is the 9 not doing very well then? Anyone know how the new 310 is faring? I caught it last week it had a couple of passengers between merry hill and dudley and nobody got on at the bus stn. The two buses I saw on it werent tge branded ones, I got an unbranded ex london one and the other I saw was a y-ybc. The ex london wasnt too bad was smart inside
Quote from: bob on November 16, 2013, 10:22:37 AM
Is the 9 not doing very well then? Anyone know how the new 310 is faring? I caught it last week it had a couple of passengers between merry hill and dudley and nobody got on at the bus stn. The two buses I saw on it werent tge branded ones, I got an unbranded ex london one and the other I saw was a y-ybc. The ex london wasnt too bad was smart inside
I must admit to not knowing the answer to either, but 'Sharon Moor' seems to be extremely pro-Sandwell Travel. The only reason they've posted/joined the forum is to big up Sandwell Travel and put down competitors...
She is just a normal customer however, supporting the bus company on an enthusiasts site as so many customers do.
Quote from: ARRIVA / S I on November 29, 2013, 01:20:45 PM
Red / WD / MPD with cab dismantled on back of lorry in Cannock today REG ?
That may be the one that crashed into the garden somewhere in Walsall. Can not remember the fleetnumber/regristation, but do remember seeing a pic on Flickr of the same bus involved in that accident of it in Wednesfield garage with no front end
Could be 2122 W895AGA as that was in Cannocks yard with no front
Has anyone seen 4804 in service recently as it's the only alx that I've not seen on the A2/3 services ?
4804 has been parked at Wednesfield for ages minus a steering wheel not sure is she's withdrawn or having work done its been atleast 2 months
Is there a staffing issue at wednesfield as most of the Cannock fleet are advertising for drivers
Seeing the dedicated 19 thread has vanished, I'll post here instead.
Who does Arriva's doorstep distribution as Ive got a 19 promotional leaflet with coupons on.
Drawback is, I live on the 2 / 2a in Leamore, nowhere near the 19 !
Quote from: Westy on December 02, 2013, 07:05:01 PM
Seeing the dedicated 19 thread has vanished, I'll post here instead.
Who does Arriva's doorstep distribution as Ive got a 19 promotional leaflet with coupons on.
Drawback is, I live on the 2 / 2a in Leamore, nowhere near the 19 !
Must be struggling. This' ll be a last ditch attempt, they did a similar thing with the x31 with 'buzz off to Birmingham ' cheap fares promotions shortly before they axed it...anyone else think the 19 is doomed and will end up cut back to walsall bloxwich?
Quote from: Westy on December 02, 2013, 07:05:01 PM
Seeing the dedicated 19 thread has vanished, I'll post here instead.
Who does Arriva's doorstep distribution as Ive got a 19 promotional leaflet with coupons on.
Drawback is, I live on the 2 / 2a in Leamore, nowhere near the 19 !
Probably the same people that delivered promotional leaflets and coupons for the 97.......in Erdington!
Quote from: bob on December 02, 2013, 07:18:35 PM
Quote from: Westy on December 02, 2013, 07:05:01 PM
Seeing the dedicated 19 thread has vanished, I'll post here instead.
Who does Arriva's doorstep distribution as Ive got a 19 promotional leaflet with coupons on.
Drawback is, I live on the 2 / 2a in Leamore, nowhere near the 19 !
Must be struggling. This' ll be a last ditch attempt, they did a similar thing with the x31 with 'buzz off to Birmingham ' cheap fares promotions shortly before they axed it...anyone else think the 19 is doomed and will end up cut back to walsall bloxwich?
Arriva are simply learning the hard way that you can't touch NX on a commercial basis in the West Midlands while they are able to run the Travelcard as a loss leader whilst gathering their real income from vast Centro subsidies based on market share and miles operated.
Please use 'Edit Tool'. Cheers, LS
Quote from: andy on December 02, 2013, 07:40:51 PM
Quote from: Westy on December 02, 2013, 07:05:01 PM
Seeing the dedicated 19 thread has vanished, I'll post here instead.
Who does Arriva's doorstep distribution as Ive got a 19 promotional leaflet with coupons on.
Drawback is, I live on the 2 / 2a in Leamore, nowhere near the 19 !
Probably the same people that delivered promotional leaflets and coupons for the 97.......in Erdington!
Seems a really bad, expensive way of promotion as go north east worked out some years ago-brand up buses in bright liveries with timetables on the bus like diamond did with the 002. No point spending masses of money on leaflet drops in areas miles away.
Quote from: andy on December 02, 2013, 07:44:53 PM
Quote from: bob on December 02, 2013, 07:18:35 PM
Quote from: Westy on December 02, 2013, 07:05:01 PM
Seeing the dedicated 19 thread has vanished, I'll post here instead.
Who does Arriva's doorstep distribution as Ive got a 19 promotional leaflet with coupons on.
Drawback is, I live on the 2 / 2a in Leamore, nowhere near the 19 !
Must be struggling. This' ll be a last ditch attempt, they did a similar thing with the x31 with 'buzz off to Birmingham ' cheap fares promotions shortly before they axed it...anyone else think the 19 is doomed and will end up cut back to walsall bloxwich?
Arriva are simply learning the hard way that you can't touch NX on a commercial basis in the West Midlands while they are able to run the Travelcard as a loss leader whilst gathering their real income from vast Centro subsidies based on market share and miles operated.
I agree it's hard to compete with NX as rotala have discovered. But arriva seem totally clueless on how to-I'm sorry but old knackered darts and deckers with no real brand identity and no hopers for routes is never going to affect NX. You can tell that with arriva, someone has sat down at a computer who never uses buses and planned out some routes. The people that know how to compete are people who have used or driven buses like Peter Jones and know the ins and outs of how to make money. Indeed, the fact that most of their routes are so long means that profits will be lower as will frequencies for a similar amount of resources. I would have thought it's easier to make money on something like the 401e/4 than massive, long routes...
'Edit Tool' In future. Cheers, LS
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 02, 2013, 07:45:10 PM
Quote from: andy on December 02, 2013, 07:40:51 PM
Quote from: Westy on December 02, 2013, 07:05:01 PM
Seeing the dedicated 19 thread has vanished, I'll post here instead.
Who does Arriva's doorstep distribution as Ive got a 19 promotional leaflet with coupons on.
Drawback is, I live on the 2 / 2a in Leamore, nowhere near the 19 !
Probably the same people that delivered promotional leaflets and coupons for the 97.......in Erdington!
Seems a really bad, expensive way of promotion as go north east worked out some years ago-brand up buses in bright liveries with timetables on the bus like diamond did with the 002. No point spending masses of money on leaflet drops in areas miles away.
Quote from: andy on December 02, 2013, 07:44:53 PM
Quote from: bob on December 02, 2013, 07:18:35 PM
Quote from: Westy on December 02, 2013, 07:05:01 PM
Seeing the dedicated 19 thread has vanished, I'll post here instead.
Who does Arriva's doorstep distribution as Ive got a 19 promotional leaflet with coupons on.
Drawback is, I live on the 2 / 2a in Leamore, nowhere near the 19 !
Must be struggling. This' ll be a last ditch attempt, they did a similar thing with the x31 with 'buzz off to Birmingham ' cheap fares promotions shortly before they axed it...anyone else think the 19 is doomed and will end up cut back to walsall bloxwich?
Arriva are simply learning the hard way that you can't touch NX on a commercial basis in the West Midlands while they are able to run the Travelcard as a loss leader whilst gathering their real income from vast Centro subsidies based on market share and miles operated.
I agree it's hard to compete with NX as rotala have discovered. But arriva seem totally clueless on how to-I'm sorry but old knackered darts and deckers with no real brand identity and no hopers for routes is never going to affect NX. You can tell that with arriva, someone has sat down at a computer who never uses buses and planned out some routes. The people that know how to compete are people who have used or driven buses like Peter Jones and know the ins and outs of how to make money. Indeed, the fact that most of their routes are so long means that profits will be lower as will frequencies for a similar amount of resources. I would have thought it's easier to make money on something like the 401e/4 than massive, long routes...
'Edit Tool' In future. Cheers, LS
With some former local NX people working at Wednesfield ISTR, you'd think they'd know what should & what shouldn't?
(I'd say, have a crack at the 529, but Travel Express & Diamond did pretty crap too, but seeing Arriva's depot in Wednesfield would be closer to the route than Diamond's , dead mileage should not be a problem surely?)
I would have thought the routes over there to do would be the 59-diamond did fine on there until it left the bus station.... Then 529 and posssibly a key wolverhampton route like the 1. Also, I think arriva should use the same service numbers as TWM and do direct copies as opposed to messing about with routes. That way, I would have thought some money could be made
They could stick some mpds on the 51 lol
I'm not convinced Arriva will go head to head with NX. If they were going to I would have thought that they would have made their first move by now.
Arriva have actually lost a few Centro tenders as well of late
So its basically just a continuation of midland then, of sorts, with slightly better buses
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 02, 2013, 11:12:36 PM
I would have thought the routes over there to do would be the 59-diamond did fine on there until it left the bus station.... Then 529 and posssibly a key wolverhampton route like the 1. Also, I think arriva should use the same service numbers as TWM and do direct copies as opposed to messing about with routes. That way, I would have thought some money could be made
Arriva wouldn't really do that well on the 59. Diamond were ok but in the end not many people used it. It went from Royale Centros to MPD's and Solos. Plus arriva operate the 19 which follows the 59 route from Wolverhampton to Peacock Avenue (Near Wednesfield) and that doesn't see many passengers.
I can see potential for Arriva on the 529 as long as they stick at it for longer and give it a chance unlike some operators! ;)
These are all valid points and I am sure Arriva's strategy could be improved, but as someone who has been involved both commercially and in the driving seat with buses in many parts of the West Midlands, I can assure you that the Travelcard is the biggest barrier to getting people on your bus, whatever time you operate and whatever route you take.
So whats the best words to describe arriva's attempts in the west midlands then? I think we can rule out the term 'a success' :-p
Quote from: bob on December 03, 2013, 05:08:52 PM
So whats the best words to describe arriva's attempts in the west midlands then? I think we can rule out the term 'a success' :-p
A strategic move to potentially give further competition
Quote from: bob on December 03, 2013, 05:08:52 PM
So whats the best words to describe arriva's attempts in the west midlands then? I think we can rule out the term 'a success' :-p
Nice try! Would probably be the most appropriate phrase. It has hardly been a success
Today all but one 334 was double decker operated is this the new allocation for the 334? also noticed that the single decker (2226) always seems to be on the 334 or has it appeared elsewere ?
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 03, 2013, 05:15:53 PM
Quote from: bob on December 03, 2013, 05:08:52 PM
So whats the best words to describe arriva's attempts in the west midlands then? I think we can rule out the term 'a success' :-p
A strategic move to potentially give further competition
I think that was what was initially hoped for but the competition element havent really materialised lol
Quote from: andy on December 03, 2013, 04:46:39 PM
These are all valid points and I am sure Arriva's strategy could be improved, but as someone who has been involved both commercially and in the driving seat with buses in many parts of the West Midlands, I can assure you that the Travelcard is the biggest barrier to getting people on your bus, whatever time you operate and whatever route you take.
True, but operators have and are in the process of competing against NXWM so it is possible-it's just arriva are not very good at doing it...
And diamond did well on the 59 until it had good buses taken off it and was moved out of the bus station. The 529e in my opinion could have done well-it's just 3 months wasn't enough time to build it up as a route... They should have persevered a bit more with it in my opinion.
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 03, 2013, 07:54:48 PM
Quote from: andy on December 03, 2013, 04:46:39 PM
These are all valid points and I am sure Arriva's strategy could be improved, but as someone who has been involved both commercially and in the driving seat with buses in many parts of the West Midlands, I can assure you that the Travelcard is the biggest barrier to getting people on your bus, whatever time you operate and whatever route you take.
True, but operators have and are in the process of competing against NXWM so it is possible-it's just arriva are not very good at doing it...
And diamond did well on the 59 until it had good buses taken off it and was moved out of the bus station. The 529e in my opinion could have done well-it's just 3 months wasn't enough time to build it up as a route... They should have persevered a bit more with it in my opinion.
Just outa interest whats your reasons for thinking arriva arent very good at it? The buses? Breakdowns? The routes?
Quote from: bob on December 03, 2013, 08:04:18 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 03, 2013, 07:54:48 PM
Quote from: andy on December 03, 2013, 04:46:39 PM
These are all valid points and I am sure Arriva's strategy could be improved, but as someone who has been involved both commercially and in the driving seat with buses in many parts of the West Midlands, I can assure you that the Travelcard is the biggest barrier to getting people on your bus, whatever time you operate and whatever route you take.
True, but operators have and are in the process of competing against NXWM so it is possible-it's just arriva are not very good at doing it...
And diamond did well on the 59 until it had good buses taken off it and was moved out of the bus station. The 529e in my opinion could have done well-it's just 3 months wasn't enough time to build it up as a route... They should have persevered a bit more with it in my opinion.
Just outa interest whats your reasons for thinking arriva arent very good at it? The buses? Breakdowns? The routes?
Pure observations really. Loadings on competing routes poor at best-thandi seem to do better than them on the 334, partly because their buses are timetabled ahead. The 19 seems a bit of a dead duck and yet they cancel routes like the X31 that people actually used. The buses aren't bad but they definitely don't stand out and there's not really much brand identity. In the west midlands, people know the brand that is NXWM and diamond buses whereas with arriva, there is no brand awareness, people don't seem as aware of the routes. Maybe some of them are less well established but really stuff like the 334 should be a lot busier by now I would have thought-again, an ex petes route that has potential as Thandi have realised. They seem to have picked the wrong routes, with the wrong buses which break down-that CBC dart is horrendous for it! Not enough branding and the branding they do have is lacklustre at best and can scarcely be read. Arriva just seem clueless when it comes to growing a market and competing-unlike say stagecoach who certainly can get competitive. I'm sorry but I experience arriva buses admittedly not in the midlands every day and I see poorly presented buses over 10 years old that have never been refurbed or repainted belching out smoke, then knackered solos and pulsars which make a fuss about going up any kind of slope. And then you see Go North East's hybrids with immaculate interiors, timetable racks full of leaflets and information... Need I say more...
Yes thats true about the x31! Loads more passengers than the 19 ! And yea the dartsare a bit naff, the refurbished ones at least have decent interiors but still old buses making a racket and sounding clapped out. I mean an mpd for a journey as long as the 310? Youd feel like you were on a limited stop journey to hell lol
Quote from: ARRIVA / S I on December 04, 2013, 05:50:20 PM
How many Optare Solos WD have , have all been sprayed up in Arriva livery
Only 2 are currently in Arriva Livery, 2553 and 2554.
There only appears to be 6 Solos left at Wednesfield, these 2 and 2550, 2562, 2563, and 2564 (In Sainsburys Livery). The rest are either transferred out or withdrawn
I don't think any of the solos are in use at Wardles, I know X939NUB is there as a donor bus, X332ABU is being stripped at Arriva Derby along with Y301/2KNB and Y381HKE, solos at Wednesfield are W298EYG/X943NUB/X349AUX are being stripped, KX51UCS (I think, deffinatley a KX51) and W291EYG have transfered to Hinckley Bus
AMD are any more W/SNR darts (alx100 bodied ones) due to cannock along with 2227
Hinckley have added 2557 2562 are they at Depot
Is S2 CLA I think the plate is in reserve ? Mot seen it since last March.
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 10, 2013, 08:36:01 PM
Is S2 CLA I think the plate is in reserve ? Mot seen it since last March.
On the fleetlist it is still at Wednesfield, but I found a comment on the forum from August, from that it is withdrawn, so I have no idea.
I have not seen it for a long time also
I've still got it down at being at Wednesfield as well?.
Would like to see it again. So hopefully its not withdrawn
2562 was on Hinckley Locals today 71/81/82
Quote from: John on December 10, 2013, 08:41:10 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 10, 2013, 08:36:01 PM
Is S2 CLA I think the plate is in reserve ? Mot seen it since last March.
On the fleetlist it is still at Wednesfield, but I found a comment on the forum from August, from that it is withdrawn, so I have no idea.
I have not seen it for a long time also
Definetley hasn't been in service at Wednesfield for months and months now
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 10, 2013, 09:17:23 PM
Quote from: John on December 10, 2013, 08:41:10 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 10, 2013, 08:36:01 PM
Is S2 CLA I think the plate is in reserve ? Mot seen it since last March.
On the fleetlist it is still at Wednesfield, but I found a comment on the forum from August, from that it is withdrawn, so I have no idea.
I have not seen it for a long time also
Still taxed until February
Definetley hasn't been in service at Wednesfield for months and months now
Quote from: Tony on December 10, 2013, 09:58:44 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 10, 2013, 09:17:23 PM
Quote from: John on December 10, 2013, 08:41:10 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 10, 2013, 08:36:01 PM
Is S2 CLA I think the plate is in reserve ? Mot seen it since last March.
On the fleetlist it is still at Wednesfield, but I found a comment on the forum from August, from that it is withdrawn, so I have no idea.
I have not seen it for a long time also
reported elsewhere as sold and in a scrapyard
Still taxed until February
Definetley hasn't been in service at Wednesfield for months and months now
s2cla was on ebay for sale spairs/repairs with an engine defect a while back
Quote from: arrivaaston on November 30, 2013, 12:49:52 PM
4804 has been parked at Wednesfield for ages minus a steering wheel not sure is she's withdrawn or having work done its been atleast 2 months
4804 back in service noted on either A2or A3 this morning , , displaying just Rugeley on the blind.
Loadings are still pretty rubbish on the 19 arent they, just a handful of pensioners on the lower deck on the 130 wton to walsall. Are they planning on making any changes to it in the new year? Like using appropriately sized buses or putting it out of its misery altogether lol?
There were at least 4 single deckers on the 19 (Arriva Livered Y-HKE and Red MPD) and a W-SNR (Not 2226) and also 2208.
There was a W-SNR ALX200 Dart on the 19 this afternoon which I haven't seen at Wednesfield before. Didn't catch the fleet number but it was in the older Arriva Livery. Saw about 16:00 just before Wednesfield on the Wood-End (Lichfield Rd Island) heading towards Wolverhampton.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 13, 2013, 06:55:13 PM
There was a W-SNR ALX200 Dart on the 19 this afternoon which I haven't seen at Wednesfield before. Didn't catch the fleet number but it was in the older Arriva Livery. Saw about 16:00 just before Wednesfield on the Wood-End (Lichfield Rd Island) heading towards Wolverhampton.
2228 has been mentioned as on loan from Burton
At least two DDs on the 334 today - one of which rather annoyingly came along just after I got on a Thandi 334.
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A NXWM driver on the preceding 34 didn't seem to want any passengers - it seems to be fairly standard practice on Darlaston routes to assume passengers are waiting for another operator.
One of their nail deckers X448 just been towed through new invention on back of lorry lol. Probably broke down in service
Yes not long saw it being towed down Lichfield Rd (Past Poundstrecher and The Albion Pub and the Tesco Petrol Station) towards garage
Lol its a good image for them
Quote from: bob on December 18, 2013, 04:28:55 PM
Lol its a good image for them
Yes of course because only Arriva ever break down, Mansfield must be a figment of my imagination.
They seem to break down more often than other local operators buses do tbf
19 had full load downstairs and a few upstairs
Busiest I've ever seen it anyway
Quote from: vinh1000 on December 19, 2013, 11:55:23 AM
19 had full load downstairs and a few upstairs
Busiest I've ever seen it anyway
Does see fairly good loadings at peak times and the school run
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 19, 2013, 03:08:06 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on December 19, 2013, 11:55:23 AM
19 had full load downstairs and a few upstairs
Busiest I've ever seen it anyway
Does see fairly good loadings at peak times and the school run
11:30 journey - peak?? hmm
That would prob equate to about 30 passengers. As theyve got a stupidly low capacity downstairs. If a lot of them were pensioners/or nbus it still wouldn't generate much of a profit. Ive caught it a few times during the evening peak and its never been particularly busy. Does anyone think the 19 turns a profit? Seriously? Lol
Quote from: bob on December 19, 2013, 05:30:42 PM
That would prob equate to about 30 passengers. As theyve got a stupidly low capacity downstairs. If a lot of them were pensioners/or nbus it still wouldn't generate much of a profit. Ive caught it a few times during the evening peak and its never been particularly busy. Does anyone think the 19 turns a profit? Seriously? Lol
Overall no it doesn't bob. Tbh we already have the 59/69/89 on the Lichfield Rd-Wolverhampton corridor and most people use those routes anyway.
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 19, 2013, 05:35:58 PM
Quote from: bob on December 19, 2013, 05:30:42 PM
That would prob equate to about 30 passengers. As theyve got a stupidly low capacity downstairs. If a lot of them were pensioners/or nbus it still wouldn't generate much of a profit. Ive caught it a few times during the evening peak and its never been particularly busy. Does anyone think the 19 turns a profit? Seriously? Lol
Overall no it doesn't bob. Tbh we already have the 59/69/89 on the Lichfield Rd-Wolverhampton corridor and most people use those routes anyway.
Most people have NXWM passes. I don't mind paying for another operator occasionally but I usually wait.
Quote from: vinh1000 on December 19, 2013, 05:22:53 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 19, 2013, 03:08:06 PM
Quote from: vinh1000 on December 19, 2013, 11:55:23 AM
19 had full load downstairs and a few upstairs
Busiest I've ever seen it anyway
Does see fairly good loadings at peak times and the school run
11:30 journey - peak?? hmm
Was refering to rush hour,Not 11:30am. It does get busy with pensioners in the morning but can't really make much of a profit
i know some kids from my school use the 19 and their are a fair few who use it. 4778 did already go past pretty busy this afternoon (Not just OAP's aboard) and that was before some students from my school got on so i wonder how busy it got (I would imagine fairly busy)
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on December 19, 2013, 05:40:19 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 19, 2013, 05:35:58 PM
Quote from: bob on December 19, 2013, 05:30:42 PM
That would prob equate to about 30 passengers. As theyve got a stupidly low capacity downstairs. If a lot of them were pensioners/or nbus it still wouldn't generate much of a profit. Ive caught it a few times during the evening peak and its never been particularly busy. Does anyone think the 19 turns a profit? Seriously? Lol
Overall no it doesn't bob. Tbh we already have the 59/69/89 on the Lichfield Rd-Wolverhampton corridor and most people use those routes anyway.
Most people have NXWM passes. I don't mind paying for another operator occasionally but I usually wait.
It just beats me how so many people decide not to pay a few extra pence for an nBus pass. I can only assume they are not aware of its existence. I'm not complaining though...
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 19, 2013, 06:17:48 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on December 19, 2013, 05:40:19 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 19, 2013, 05:35:58 PM
Quote from: bob on December 19, 2013, 05:30:42 PM
That would prob equate to about 30 passengers. As theyve got a stupidly low capacity downstairs. If a lot of them were pensioners/or nbus it still wouldn't generate much of a profit. Ive caught it a few times during the evening peak and its never been particularly busy. Does anyone think the 19 turns a profit? Seriously? Lol
Overall no it doesn't bob. Tbh we already have the 59/69/89 on the Lichfield Rd-Wolverhampton corridor and most people use those routes anyway.
Most people have NXWM passes. I don't mind paying for another operator occasionally but I usually wait.
It just beats me how so many people decide not to pay a few extra pence for an nBus pass. I can only assume they are not aware of its existence. I'm not complaining though...
Ive noticed far more people buying nBus daysavers rather than normal NX ones
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 19, 2013, 06:24:26 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 19, 2013, 06:17:48 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on December 19, 2013, 05:40:19 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 19, 2013, 05:35:58 PM
Quote from: bob on December 19, 2013, 05:30:42 PM
That would prob equate to about 30 passengers. As theyve got a stupidly low capacity downstairs. If a lot of them were pensioners/or nbus it still wouldn't generate much of a profit. Ive caught it a few times during the evening peak and its never been particularly busy. Does anyone think the 19 turns a profit? Seriously? Lol
Overall no it doesn't bob. Tbh we already have the 59/69/89 on the Lichfield Rd-Wolverhampton corridor and most people use those routes anyway.
Most people have NXWM passes. I don't mind paying for another operator occasionally but I usually wait.
It just beats me how so many people decide not to pay a few extra pence for an nBus pass. I can only assume they are not aware of its existence. I'm not complaining though...
Ive noticed far more people buying nBus daysavers rather than normal NX ones
I'd have to disagree, for every nBus day ticket I see at least 10 NX Daysavers being bought
Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 19, 2013, 06:24:26 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 19, 2013, 06:17:48 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on December 19, 2013, 05:40:19 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 19, 2013, 05:35:58 PM
Quote from: bob on December 19, 2013, 05:30:42 PM
That would prob equate to about 30 passengers. As theyve got a stupidly low capacity downstairs. If a lot of them were pensioners/or nbus it still wouldn't generate much of a profit. Ive caught it a few times during the evening peak and its never been particularly busy. Does anyone think the 19 turns a profit? Seriously? Lol
Overall no it doesn't bob. Tbh we already have the 59/69/89 on the Lichfield Rd-Wolverhampton corridor and most people use those routes anyway.
Most people have NXWM passes. I don't mind paying for another operator occasionally but I usually wait.
It just beats me how so many people decide not to pay a few extra pence for an nBus pass. I can only assume they are not aware of its existence. I'm not complaining though...
Ive noticed far more people buying nBus daysavers rather than normal NX ones
How do you know? The people you see buying them might have always bought them
I certainly haven't, I have been checking 11 & 18 in Cotteridge; 49 & 50 at Maypole; 22; 23 & 29 in Harborne today, and personally haven't checked a single one. Seen quite a few nBus passes, but not one day ticket.
Anyway back on topic topic to Arriva Wednesfield Garage..... I have noticed that a journey off the 19 goes onto the 10 at Wolverhampton about 15:30 (Usually a DAf DB250LF ALX400) and the 19 is mainly MPD/Full Size dart operated in the late afternoons.
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 19, 2013, 06:17:48 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on December 19, 2013, 05:40:19 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 19, 2013, 05:35:58 PM
Quote from: bob on December 19, 2013, 05:30:42 PM
That would prob equate to about 30 passengers. As theyve got a stupidly low capacity downstairs. If a lot of them were pensioners/or nbus it still wouldn't generate much of a profit. Ive caught it a few times during the evening peak and its never been particularly busy. Does anyone think the 19 turns a profit? Seriously? Lol
Overall no it doesn't bob. Tbh we already have the 59/69/89 on the Lichfield Rd-Wolverhampton corridor and most people use those routes anyway.
Most people have NXWM passes. I don't mind paying for another operator occasionally but I usually wait.
It just beats me how so many people decide not to pay a few extra pence for an nBus pass. I can only assume they are not aware of its existence. I'm not complaining though...
I currently pay £49.50 a month for my NX Regional Faresaver pass, by direct debit. The nBus monthly pass costs £55.50 by direct debit, an extra £6 a month, which is hardly a 'few pence'. And considering the fact that the main bus routes I use to get to and from work (31/A, 37) as well as to my parents house (1, 120) are only operated by NXWM, it doesn't make financial sense for me.
Quote from: Stu on December 19, 2013, 06:57:07 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 19, 2013, 06:17:48 PM
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on December 19, 2013, 05:40:19 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 19, 2013, 05:35:58 PM
Quote from: bob on December 19, 2013, 05:30:42 PM
That would prob equate to about 30 passengers. As theyve got a stupidly low capacity downstairs. If a lot of them were pensioners/or nbus it still wouldn't generate much of a profit. Ive caught it a few times during the evening peak and its never been particularly busy. Does anyone think the 19 turns a profit? Seriously? Lol
Overall no it doesn't bob. Tbh we already have the 59/69/89 on the Lichfield Rd-Wolverhampton corridor and most people use those routes anyway.
Most people have NXWM passes. I don't mind paying for another operator occasionally but I usually wait.
It just beats me how so many people decide not to pay a few extra pence for an nBus pass. I can only assume they are not aware of its existence. I'm not complaining though...
I currently pay £49.50 a month for my NX Regional Faresaver pass, by direct debit. The nBus monthly pass costs £55.50 by direct debit, an extra £6 a month, which is hardly a 'few pence'. And considering the fact that the main bus routes I use to get to and from work (31/A, 37) as well as to my parents house (1, 120) are only operated by NXWM, it doesn't make financial sense for me.
...and those on multi-op service corridor will have the anybus bolt on, no one in their right mind would buy something they don't need...
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That would prob equate to about 30 passengers. As theyve got a stupidly low capacity downstairs. If a lot of them were pensioners/or nbus it still wouldn't generate much of a profit. Ive caught it a few times during the evening peak and its never been particularly busy. Does anyone think the 19 turns a profit? Seriously? Lol
Overall no it doesn't bob. Tbh we already have the 59/69/89 on the Lichfield Rd-Wolverhampton corridor and most people use those routes anyway.
Most people have NXWM passes. I don't mind paying for another operator occasionally but I usually wait.
It just beats me how so many people decide not to pay a few extra pence for an nBus pass. I can only assume they are not aware of its existence. I'm not complaining though...
Ive noticed far more people buying nBus daysavers rather than normal NX ones
I'd have to disagree, for every nBus day ticket I see at least 10 NX Daysavers being bought
Of course they're not aware of its existence. Centro/Network WM do next to nothing to publicise or promote it. After all, they can't afford to upset NX!
I would say nBus sales vary massively by route. Eg Bristol Road/Pershore Road/South Birmingham generally people do not tend to buy them. 50/16 are slightly different and I would say in the black country and especially in walsall, west brom, dudley, merry hill, halesowen people tend to buy them quite a lot due to the fact that more services are run by arriva/hansons/diamond. I would still like to see more nbus tickets being sold as it does support smaller businesses which is what we need to be doing.
I'm on a multi operator corridor between Bloxwich & Walsall but I find the Nx frequency adequate for me, so I'll normally have a Nx Daysaver or Bloxwich Walsall return. (Mainly a Nx Daysaver as I'll have to catch the 311/ 313 as well!)
Outside where I live have the 16 service which is GRS/Diamond/NXWM and often use Diamond with the nBus ticket
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That would prob equate to about 30 passengers. As theyve got a stupidly low capacity downstairs. If a lot of them were pensioners/or nbus it still wouldn't generate much of a profit. Ive caught it a few times during the evening peak and its never been particularly busy. Does anyone think the 19 turns a profit? Seriously? Lol
Overall no it doesn't bob. Tbh we already have the 59/69/89 on the Lichfield Rd-Wolverhampton corridor and most people use those routes anyway.
Most people have NXWM passes. I don't mind paying for another operator occasionally but I usually wait.
It just beats me how so many people decide not to pay a few extra pence for an nBus pass. I can only assume they are not aware of its existence. I'm not complaining though...
Ive noticed far more people buying nBus daysavers rather than normal NX ones
I'd have to disagree, for every nBus day ticket I see at least 10 NX Daysavers being bought
Of course they're not aware of its existence. Centro/Network WM do next to nothing to publicise or promote it. After all, they can't afford to upset NX!
So all those massive posters on billboards, bus shelter advertising spaces, full page adverts in the Metro, backs of buses etc along with the radio adverts featuring 'superheros' are doing next to nothing to promote nBus. Not quite sure what else you think Centro could do to promote it.
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That would prob equate to about 30 passengers. As theyve got a stupidly low capacity downstairs. If a lot of them were pensioners/or nbus it still wouldn't generate much of a profit. Ive caught it a few times during the evening peak and its never been particularly busy. Does anyone think the 19 turns a profit? Seriously? Lol
Overall no it doesn't bob. Tbh we already have the 59/69/89 on the Lichfield Rd-Wolverhampton corridor and most people use those routes anyway.
Most people have NXWM passes. I don't mind paying for another operator occasionally but I usually wait.
It just beats me how so many people decide not to pay a few extra pence for an nBus pass. I can only assume they are not aware of its existence. I'm not complaining though...
Ive noticed far more people buying nBus daysavers rather than normal NX ones
I'd have to disagree, for every nBus day ticket I see at least 10 NX Daysavers being bought
Of course they're not aware of its existence. Centro/Network WM do next to nothing to publicise or promote it. After all, they can't afford to upset NX!
So all those massive posters on billboards, bus shelter advertising spaces, full page adverts in the Metro, backs of buses etc along with the radio adverts featuring 'superheros' are doing next to nothing to promote nBus. Not quite sure what else you think Centro could do to promote it.
To be fair that is standard fayre and the bare minimum you would expect from a public body with a vast marketing and publicity budget. They are all conventional methods which have always been there and are fixed methods with a fixed amount of expenditure.
They need to be more imaginative and actually get amongst the travelling public with some targeted information and marketing of the multi operator product offer. They could also find some money from the bulging Centro coffers to run a trial period of matching the NX price or applying promotional discounts in order to give people an incentive to use and experience of using one. That is how you influence peoples' habits.
They could do far more on social media, and they could make it far easier to purchase and pay for the products. They could get involved with employers more to steer travel to work schemes towards the multi operator offer.
They need to break the cosy status quo. They have plenty of mine and your tax contributions with which to have a go, believe me.
The 18 was running pretty late today (At first I thought the trip was missing) so I gave up waiting on Stubby Lane (Near Wednesfield) so walked to Lichfield Rd and caught a 59 and as I got to Wednesfield a S-YOG Dart pulled up behind only 10-15 mins late!
My lift was just trying to beat 2153 on the the Black Country Spine Road.
Lol
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My lift was just trying to beat 2153 on the the Black Country Spine Road.
Lol
Who won? Haha
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That would prob equate to about 30 passengers. As theyve got a stupidly low capacity downstairs. If a lot of them were pensioners/or nbus it still wouldn't generate much of a profit. Ive caught it a few times during the evening peak and its never been particularly busy. Does anyone think the 19 turns a profit? Seriously? Lol
Overall no it doesn't bob. Tbh we already have the 59/69/89 on the Lichfield Rd-Wolverhampton corridor and most people use those routes anyway.
Most people have NXWM passes. I don't mind paying for another operator occasionally but I usually wait.
It just beats me how so many people decide not to pay a few extra pence for an nBus pass. I can only assume they are not aware of its existence. I'm not complaining though...
Ive noticed far more people buying nBus daysavers rather than normal NX ones
I'd have to disagree, for every nBus day ticket I see at least 10 NX Daysavers being bought
Of course they're not aware of its existence. Centro/Network WM do next to nothing to publicise or promote it. After all, they can't afford to upset NX!
So all those massive posters on billboards, bus shelter advertising spaces, full page adverts in the Metro, backs of buses etc along with the radio adverts featuring 'superheros' are doing next to nothing to promote nBus. Not quite sure what else you think Centro could do to promote it.
To be fair that is standard fayre and the bare minimum you would expect from a public body with a vast marketing and publicity budget. They are all conventional methods which have always been there and are fixed methods with a fixed amount of expenditure.
They need to be more imaginative and actually get amongst the travelling public with some targeted information and marketing of the multi operator product offer. They could also find some money from the bulging Centro coffers to run a trial period of matching the NX price or applying promotional discounts in order to give people an incentive to use and experience of using one. That is how you influence peoples' habits.
They could do far more on social media, and they could make it far easier to purchase and pay for the products. They could get involved with employers more to steer travel to work schemes towards the multi operator offer.
They need to break the cosy status quo. They have plenty of mine and your tax contributions with which to have a go, believe me.
Bulging Centro coffers - I don't think so.
You can purchase nBus on bus, in every shop that sells NX products, via Direct Debit, over the internet on almost every bus in the West Midlands - now suggest.
Centro Sales staff go to all the large employers and sell tickets via money taken monthly from wages the same as NX staff do
Now how would you prefer Centro spend money - on even more advertising, or actually supporting bus/train/tram services. I would prefer centro to run an extra 'Socially necessary service', whoever the operator, than wasting money on more advertising.
As for the price of nBus, it is not decided by Centro. It is decided by the 'nBus committee' or whatever its proper name is that includes representives of all the operators in the scheme.
Quote from: Tony on December 20, 2013, 07:53:19 PM
Bulging Centro coffers - I don't think so.
You can purchase nBus on bus, in every shop that sells NX products, via Direct Debit, over the internet on almost every bus in the West Midlands - now suggest.
Centro Sales staff go to all the large employers and sell tickets via money taken monthly from wages the same as NX staff do
Now how would you prefer Centro spend money - on even more advertising, or actually supporting bus/train/tram services. I would prefer centro to run an extra 'Socially necessary service', whoever the operator, than wasting money on more advertising.
As for the price of nBus, it is not decided by Centro. It is decided by the 'nBus committee' or whatever its proper name is that includes representives of all the operators in the scheme.
I look at it in a different way. If the multi operator products were more widely used then more smaller and new operators would thrive and there wouldn't be as much need to support services as we would have true competition leading to operators having to be at the top of their game and innovate, operate into those areas to vreate markets. Currently there is no incentive to do either and we have stalemate.
I simply disagree that Centro are cashstrapped and know how to market and promote. It is one thing to offer the same facilities and outlets as NX but quite another to better them and try other methods, this is where Centro fall down. If they just offer the same, but at a higher price, it doesn't take much to work out what will happen.
The 'nBus commitee' you speak of is probably the basis of the problem. Let's face it, they can't even get all operators on board at the moment.
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Quote from: Tony on December 20, 2013, 07:53:19 PM
Bulging Centro coffers - I don't think so.
You can purchase nBus on bus, in every shop that sells NX products, via Direct Debit, over the internet on almost every bus in the West Midlands - now suggest.
Centro Sales staff go to all the large employers and sell tickets via money taken monthly from wages the same as NX staff do
Now how would you prefer Centro spend money - on even more advertising, or actually supporting bus/train/tram services. I would prefer centro to run an extra 'Socially necessary service', whoever the operator, than wasting money on more advertising.
As for the price of nBus, it is not decided by Centro. It is decided by the 'nBus committee' or whatever its proper name is that includes representives of all the operators in the scheme.
I look at it in a different way. If the multi operator products were more widely used then more smaller and new operators would thrive and there wouldn't be as much need to support services as we would have true competition leading to operators having to be at the top of their game and innovate, operate into those areas to vreate markets. Currently there is no incentive to do either and we have stalemate.
I simply disagree that Centro are cashstrapped and know how to market and promote. It is one thing to offer the same facilities and outlets as NX but quite another to better them and try other methods, this is where Centro fall down. If they just offer the same, but at a higher price, it doesn't take much to work out what will happen.
The 'nBus commitee' you speak of is probably the basis of the problem. Let's face it, they can't even get all operators on board at the moment.
Oh, and I forgot nBus day tickets are available from all 'Paypoint' locations of which there is one in nearly every block of shops in the West Midlands. NX tickets are not. so yes they do go further than NX with ticket sales.
I am not sure an increase in nBus sales would actually encourage more competition. For instance I would imagine the last thing any operator wants is a bus full of nBus day passengers, as they would soon be making a loss.
If for instance 43 nBus passengers turned up at Bradford Place and filled a Diamond 4 to West Bromwich, the revenue from them would nowhere near cover the cost of running the bus
Can we stick to posts about Arriva Wednesfield in this thread please. The amount of times we get told off for going off on a tangent!
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Quote from: Tony on December 20, 2013, 07:53:19 PM
Bulging Centro coffers - I don't think so.
You can purchase nBus on bus, in every shop that sells NX products, via Direct Debit, over the internet on almost every bus in the West Midlands - now suggest.
Centro Sales staff go to all the large employers and sell tickets via money taken monthly from wages the same as NX staff do
Now how would you prefer Centro spend money - on even more advertising, or actually supporting bus/train/tram services. I would prefer centro to run an extra 'Socially necessary service', whoever the operator, than wasting money on more advertising.
As for the price of nBus, it is not decided by Centro. It is decided by the 'nBus committee' or whatever its proper name is that includes representives of all the operators in the scheme.
I look at it in a different way. If the multi operator products were more widely used then more smaller and new operators would thrive and there wouldn't be as much need to support services as we would have true competition leading to operators having to be at the top of their game and innovate, operate into those areas to vreate markets. Currently there is no incentive to do either and we have stalemate.
I simply disagree that Centro are cashstrapped and know how to market and promote. It is one thing to offer the same facilities and outlets as NX but quite another to better them and try other methods, this is where Centro fall down. If they just offer the same, but at a higher price, it doesn't take much to work out what will happen.
The 'nBus commitee' you speak of is probably the basis of the problem. Let's face it, they can't even get all operators on board at the moment.
Oh, and I forgot nBus day tickets are available from all 'Paypoint' locations of which there is one in nearly every block of shops in the West Midlands. NX tickets are not. so yes they do go further than NX with ticket sales.
I am not sure an increase in nBus sales would actually encourage more competition. For instance I would imagine the last thing any operator wants is a bus full of nBus day passengers, as they would soon be making a loss.
If for instance 43 nBus passengers turned up at Bradford Place and filled a Diamond 4 to West Bromwich, the revenue from them would nowhere near cover the cost of running the bus
Are they also not avaliable at Payzone outlets also??
Could we not start an nbus thread or something?
Time you retired S347 YOG? It cant accelerate without shaking violently back and forth making it feel like your on a rocking horse. It just accentuates your already poor image. ..
Quote from: bob on December 21, 2013, 12:29:44 PM
Time you retired S347 YOG? It cant accelerate without shaking violently back and forth making it feel like your on a rocking horse. It just accentuates your already poor image. ..
Was on S251 yesterday
Gear change was so slugish it was screaming on the 19
Yea s251 jua is awful
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2228, 2234 and 2238 are all at Wednesfield currently.
Are these just on loan or transferred with new arrivals at Burton?
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Quote from: AMD on December 13, 2013, 06:59:04 PM
2228, 2234 and 2238 are all at Wednesfield currently.
Are these just on loan or transferred with new arrivals at Burton?
I have a feeling they are transfers. Have Burton had new buses so the ALX200's Wednesfield could transfer?
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2228, 2234 and 2238 are all at Wednesfield currently.
Are these just on loan or transferred with new arrivals at Burton?
I have a feeling they are transfers. Have Burton had new buses so the ALX200's Wednesfield could transfer?
Burton have had 6 VDL Pulsars new for the 9/29
So 2228/34/8 could be transfers then :)
They should all be allocated to the 19. Still a bit too big for a lot of journeys but more than able to cope with anybusierpperiods!
Just a quick question, can anyone supply me a list of Wednesfield buses that are fitted with seat belts?
On the 14.34 19 from wednesfield grand total of five passengers incl me the one going the other way wasnt any better, about 8 all sat downstairs. Would be interesting to know if arriva are actually making anything at all on the route. I cant understand why they insist largely on deckers ehen theres so many routes elsewhere that would really benefit from them
Quote from: bob on December 28, 2013, 02:38:43 PM
On the 14.34 19 from wednesfield grand total of five passengers incl me the one going the other way wasnt any better, about 8 all sat downstairs. Would be interesting to know if arriva are actually making anything at all on the route. I cant understand why they insist largely on deckers ehen theres so many routes elsewhere that would really benefit from them
I'm sure that this question has been asked and answered several times before.
The buses on the 19 are also used for the 2 early morning and late night Amazon, Rugeley services which always carry full loadings and are hugely profitable. This means that the work those double deckers do throughout the day is profitable.
I understand that Arriva are taking some South Staffordshire school contracts from January which will use some buses from the 19 and 10/A/B.
Theyll be needed those school contracts as amazon finishes soon. If the buses werent required for other duties and used solely on the 19 I would say theyd make a HUGE loss. Nobody uses it
The Wednesfield Technical Support van just left Merry Hill
2208 and 2414 are the only 2 darts that have seatbelts on them
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2208 and 2414 are the only 2 darts that have seatbelts on them
I don't recall 2414 having seatbelts but 2412 definetley has them
Is X457 HGV allocated to Wednesfield or not allocated ?
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Is X457 HGV allocated to Wednesfield or not allocated ?
Not that I m aware of? Why do you ask? :)
Its is HVC, not HVG
Its an Astra Van used by engineers
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Is X457 HGV allocated to Wednesfield or not allocated ?
Not that I m aware of? Why do you ask? :)
Its is HVC, not HVG
Its an Astra Van used by engineers
Typo Error :)
So it doesnt have an allocated garage then :)
Quote from: Nathan4775 on January 03, 2014, 08:16:33 PM
So it doesnt have an allocated garage then :)
It must be allocated to Wednesfield. As it is not a bus, that may be the reason it does not appear on fleet lists.
Got fleet number wrong!! Its OUI2376 and S208DTO with seatbelts and the astra van isn't engineer atall they have 2 1 is the "staff shuttle" and the other is part of the promotions team
Bob, the occassionally journey and some exaggerated theories are merely a snapshot of the 19 which is as usual slating Arriva. The 19 does get used hard as it is to believe, peaks and troughs maybe but surely they would know not to keep a route that's tanking. As has been said, the DB250's see a variety of use so work out as profitable
Ive been on it about 25 times since October its been dead everytime...every other 19 has been dead thats gone past in the other direction. When there have been passengers on theres never been enough to fill the lower deck, and its nearly always pensioners. .if they werent used on amazons I cannot see how it could be profitable. ..
which envrios are branded for 9 & which are for 35 thanks
when will 4800 4807 4810 be out in service
Quote from: Solo1 on January 05, 2014, 10:59:31 PM
which envrios are branded for 9 & which are for 35 thanks
2140/2141- Branded for route 9
2142-Unbranded
2143/4-Branded for Walsall-Lichfield Corridor
2111 seen heading north on A38 towards derby on a recovery truck?
Red Trident seen heading along A5 towards cannock again on a recovery truck?
All Around 12ish today.
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2111 seen heading north on A38 towards derby on a recovery truck?
Red Trident seen heading along A5 towards cannock again on a recovery truck?
All Around 12ish today.
You mean a ALX400 DAF not a trident?
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2111 seen heading north on A38 towards derby on a recovery truck?
Red Trident seen heading along A5 towards cannock again on a recovery truck?
All Around 12ish today.
You mean a ALX400 DAF not a trident?
AMD has confirmed above that it would have been a DAF, given DLA135 and DLA141 are in the area
So when will we know about the changes on the 26th of January nothing on the website or on network West Midlands website
Quote from: Ck on January 13, 2014, 08:10:43 PM
So when will we know about the changes on the 26th of January nothing on the website or on network West Midlands website
On the NWM website there is a map which highlights the changes.
Saw 4778 leave Wolverhampton on a 10 displaying "10A-Pattingham" this afternoon. Second time i have seen this in two days. Presumably already programmed in ready for the changes from 26th January.
Will the Sunday 10 operate as it does at present from 26th Jan? ie Just to perton with the current timetable
Quote from: AMD on January 14, 2014, 06:57:29 PM
The 10A commenced on 6th January, so this is correct.
Oh i didn't realise. I thought it was included in the changes from 26th Jan. Thanks for that :)
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Quote from: AMD on January 14, 2014, 06:57:29 PM
The 10A commenced on 6th January, so this is correct.
Oh i didn't realise. I thought it was included in the changes from 26th Jan. Thanks for that :)
I've seen several 10As and no 10Bs yet. Are they not as frequent?
The timetable at the 10 stand in Wolverhampton Bus Station hasn't been updated and neither has the digital information screen.
It appears that putting deckers on the 10/A/B has become more important than putting deckers on the 19.
The 10A is every hour,10B every 2 hours and the normal 10 every two hours combining together to make the current 30 minute frequency between Wolverhampton and Perton.
amd said that they was gna be reviewing use of deckers on the 19 a while back. Anyone know when anazon service ends? Youd imagine it would tie in with that
Quote from: bob on January 14, 2014, 07:34:28 PM
amd said that they was gna be reviewing use of deckers on the 19 a while back. Anyone know when anazon service ends? Youd imagine it would tie in with that
I have seen a Solo and a 2347 on the 19 today. 2347 was jam packed this morning on the school run
Yea but its still only a manky old midibus I think they only have around 37 seats, so even if every seat was filled its still not a huge amount and darts/solos should be fine for the route any other time.
Quote from: bob on January 14, 2014, 08:02:35 PM
Yea but its still only a manky old midibus I think they only have around 37 seats, so even if every seat was filled its still not a huge amount and darts/solos should be fine for the route any other time.
2347 is a full size sd not a midibus...
No it isnt. It has 37 seats squashed together. Its a midibus. A b7rle, citaro, b10ble etc is a full size bus
To save clogging up WN garage thread i will continue the discussion in here.
AMD, Do 19 boards interwork during the day with the 10 now? Before the changes i know a journey that gets into Wolverhampton about 15:20 goes onto the 10
Changes for Wolverhampton on vosa now 2 new services for arriva not bad
Quote from: Ck on January 16, 2014, 04:43:36 PM
Changes for Wolverhampton on vosa now 2 new services for arriva not bad
If you are refering to the 50/53 services. They aren't entirley new as they will be covering parts of the 531/57/63
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Quote from: Nathan on January 15, 2014, 10:08:27 PM
To save clogging up WN garage thread i will continue the discussion in here.
AMD, Do 19 boards interwork during the day with the 10 now? Before the changes i know a journey that gets into Wolverhampton about 15:20 goes onto the 10
There are a couple of boards that do this, yes.
I presume you do this to enable ALX400 DAF's to be easily allocated to both the 19 and 10/A/B?
Also i have noticed the ALX400 DAF's have been appearing in service on Sundays now with the Sunday 10 being allocated a DAF regually
Oh ok thanks :) But why do you choose to put the ALX400's over the Tridents? The Sunday 10 up to the other week i noticed was run by 4851 or 4854 which both also have transponders fitted
Quote from: AMD on January 16, 2014, 06:16:49 PM
There is no difference operationally. It would depend whether any vehicles are off, as both Tridents are today.
Ok Thanks :) It just seemed that apart from the Amazon contract, The ALX400 DAF's weren't used in Public service on Sundays before Christmas
Having deckers going to & from pattingham is like a flashback to the 80s when MRN stuck Fleetlines on the routes theee lol
Bizarrely in the early-mid 90s they stuck a duple laser Tiger coach on there most of the time
Quote from: AMD on January 16, 2014, 06:20:48 PM
The difference will be because transponders have now been removed from smaller vehicles and fitted to DDs.
Thanks for the info AMD :) So apart from the Sainsbury's Solos and the couple of Darts you mentioned fitted with Transponders,Will Single Deckers be stopped from being put on the 10?
AMD, Is the 18 now booked to be one of the ALX200 Darts as they seem to be on there 99% of the time. Sometimes 2208,2347 or 2414 operate the route if they aren't avaliable. MPD's and Solo's (Which are best suited to the Roads of Moat-House Estate) were usually allocated before but i did notice that buses were packed on the 09:39 and 10:38 journeys from Stubby Lane got packed or very busy. Was this why biggr buses are allocated to the 18 now?
Quote from: AMD on January 16, 2014, 06:59:21 PM
No, service 18 has no specific requirement and can take anything other than a DD.
Oh ok :) I presume you allocate an ALX200 most of the time as they are the avaliable bus at the time of allocation?
spotted a daf alx400 on tow around 18.30 being pulled by mansfield along lichfield rd past albion pub. couldnt get which one, it was flying along
Quote from: mranon on January 16, 2014, 07:29:38 PM
spotted a daf alx400 on tow around 18.30 being pulled by mansfield along lichfield rd past albion pub. couldnt get which one, it was flying along
I live right near there and it is a regular sight to see ALX400 DAF's being towed back to Wednesfield Garage on the back of a Mansfield Truck ;D ;)
Lol reliability as standard then...on the fb page passengers keep puttin stuff like 'the cannock 33 hasnt come' & arriva post their apologies an put it was due to a breakdown etc...jeez
Quote from: bob on January 16, 2014, 08:22:40 PM
Lol reliability as standard then...on the fb page passengers keep puttin stuff like 'the cannock 33 hasnt come' & arriva post their apologies an put it was due to a breakdown etc...jeez
Yes I'm surprised Mansfield could fit them in around the constant stream of Tridents they have to drag around on a daily basis for NX....
Db250s are far less reliable buses than tridents.. on the whole. Arrivas breakdowns are higher..on the whole...
Quote from: bob on January 16, 2014, 09:22:10 PM
Db250s are far less reliable buses than tridents.. on the whole. Arrivas breakdowns are higher..on the whole...
Totally unsubstantiated on both counts...
i know which id prefer to be in with a chance of completing the shift!!!! it wouldnt be the daf horrible sluggish heavy to drive
Id rather have the DB250 than 4851 or 4854. I can imagine they are much harder work
Ok for example nx walsall garage probably has three times as many busesallocated than cannock or wednesfield yea? So in theory basedon 'all companies have breakdowns' they should have about three times as many? When do you see nx buses bein towed out of the bus station when theyve broken down in service? Arriva have more breakdowns in cannock wednesfield etc even if you do it pro rata so to speak. Ive NEVER seen a walsall bus towed off on anything but a rare occasion. Sayin that I cant remember it happening in cannock on the several times a week basis we have nowadays back in midland red days either...
The average number of breakdowns can't be based on the number of buses at a particular garage. Breakdowns happen every day, that's an inevitability. Starting a witch hunt of where they happen most is pointless. Or for your benefit, theres no point in me trying to talk sense where the Arriva hate club is concerned
Why cant anyone accept that Cannock's vehicles do break down at a horrendous rate, given the small size of the operation there...Cos they really do....
We have all accepeted it. We get the point. Cannock has it's bad points. But remember this one, there could be no bus services at all where you live so to put this kindly be glad you have even a half attempt at a local transport network. A good chunk of Britain doesn't even have that
What so be grateful for a rubbish service?? Are you a member of the tory party lol
Quote from: bob on January 17, 2014, 01:01:03 PM
What so be grateful for a rubbish service?? Are you a member of the tory party lol
Some areas have no service whatsoever...or only one bus a year!
Quote from: andy on January 16, 2014, 09:49:20 PM
Quote from: bob on January 16, 2014, 09:22:10 PM
Db250s are far less reliable buses than tridents.. on the whole. Arrivas breakdowns are higher..on the whole...
Totally unsubstantiated on both counts...
Try telling that to NX Birmingham Central when they had both types allocated there, Maintained by the same people.
Try telling that to Wolverhampton garage now. BN quoted earlier in the week they did not have any of there 79 tridents off the road other than 3 in for refurb. I bet the same was not true of their DB250s!
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 17, 2014, 01:02:58 PM
Quote from: bob on January 17, 2014, 01:01:03 PM
What so be grateful for a rubbish service?? Are you a member of the tory party lol
Some areas have no service whatsoever...or only one bus a year!
Lol I take your point. Seriously though id hate to think how many journeys are lost at cannock to buses breaking down. How embarrassing must it of been for them in Hednesford when the dart conked out literally on the zebra crossing the other week :-p or the one that broke down on the dual carriageway blocking all the traffic a couple of weeks before, and then w109 ewu and a dart broke down in service in the bus stn around same time. Then there were the two 33s recently breaking down one after another people at the stop were gping mad on the fb pafge. S629 khn or s351 yog broke down in the middle of a traffic island the other week again causing chaos :-p id hate to be their chief engineer lmaoo :))
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2014, 01:15:23 PM
Quote from: andy on January 16, 2014, 09:49:20 PM
Quote from: bob on January 16, 2014, 09:22:10 PM
Db250s are far less reliable buses than tridents.. on the whole. Arrivas breakdowns are higher..on the whole...
Totally unsubstantiated on both counts...
Try telling that to NX Birmingham Central when they had both types allocated there, Maintained by the same people.
Try telling that to Wolverhampton garage now. BN quoted earlier in the week they did not have any of there 79 tridents off the road other than 3 in for refurb. I bet the same was not true of their DB250s!
However, it has also been stated by a member of staff at Wolverhampton that the Spectras, after having received treatment, are the second most reliable buses at the garage, behind B7RLEs
I have hardly seen a Spectra broken down in service for some time now.
Not a chance. The lost mileage with spectras is awful. I must say that the mercs are behaving very well at the moment.
Quote from: BN on January 17, 2014, 06:31:07 PM
Not a chance. The lost mileage with spectras is awful. I must say that the mercs are behaving very well at the moment.
Would be interesting to see which types cause the most lost mileage, which services too.
i bet the worst offenders are db250s mercs b6's,
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2014, 01:15:23 PM
Quote from: andy on January 16, 2014, 09:49:20 PM
Quote from: bob on January 16, 2014, 09:22:10 PM
Db250s are far less reliable buses than tridents.. on the whole. Arrivas breakdowns are higher..on the whole...
Totally unsubstantiated on both counts...
Try telling that to NX Birmingham Central when they had both types allocated there, Maintained by the same people.
Try telling that to Wolverhampton garage now. BN quoted earlier in the week they did not have any of there 79 tridents off the road other than 3 in for refurb. I bet the same was not true of their DB250s!
Merely trying to achieve a bit of perspective. Bob has a buzzer under his bed for every time an Arriva vehicle fails, yet appears not to notice that NX have a dedicated Mansfield team standing by the phone such is the demand. If I posted every time I was stuck in a queue of traffic on the A4040 trying to pull round a steaming / burning / leaking / dismembered President, I wouldn't have time to go to work....
And what's more the 'breakdowns' thread is littered with incidents of Tridents failing, including Wolverhampton's.
Its relative. . Cannocks a tiny garage compared to nx ones yet has a HUGE amount of breakdowns. ..
Quote from: andy on January 17, 2014, 07:07:37 PM
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2014, 01:15:23 PM
Quote from: andy on January 16, 2014, 09:49:20 PM
Quote from: bob on January 16, 2014, 09:22:10 PM
Db250s are far less reliable buses than tridents.. on the whole. Arrivas breakdowns are higher..on the whole...
Totally unsubstantiated on both counts...
Try telling that to NX Birmingham Central when they had both types allocated there, Maintained by the same people.
Try telling that to Wolverhampton garage now. BN quoted earlier in the week they did not have any of there 79 tridents off the road other than 3 in for refurb. I bet the same was not true of their DB250s!
Merely trying to achieve a bit of perspective. Bob has a buzzer under his bed for every time an Arriva vehicle fails, yet appears not to notice that NX have a dedicated Mansfield team standing by the phone such is the demand. If I posted every time I was stuck in a queue of traffic on the A4040 trying to pull round a steaming / burning / leaking / dismembered President, I wouldn't have time to go to work....
And what's more the 'breakdowns' thread is littered with incidents of Tridents failing, including Wolverhampton's.
Cannock garage is about the same size as NXWM Bordesley, When the new vehicles enter service the average age of the fleet will probably be very similar ( I haven't worked Cannocks out, Bordesley's is easy), But I'd like to bet I know which one will have the most breakdowns. It is a shame because in most parts of the country Arriva's fleet is actually up with the best.
I don't know how Arriva do their vehicle moves, NXWMs are done by Head office telling garages which fleet numbers they are losing so the good and bad can end up moving. From an outsiders view it appears Arriva Midlands garages dump their worst vehicles into the HO allocation, and Cannock seem to get the 'best' of what has been dumped in HO by other garages with their second hand gains.
Arriva do seem to have a problem with a lot of ex London vehicles trying to find homes for at the moment, 'Richer' area of Arriva like Yorkshire seem to manage to avoid getting these even for school work. something NX & First no longer have to do, and will slowly be eliminated from Stagecoach's fleet as the London fleet gets to fully leased. This does not help reliability when a garage gets 12 year old vehicles that have been pondering around London at an average of about 9mph, then are suddenly put on interurban work.
What's left in red / non Arriva livery at the moment?
Me & my lift were behind an red MPD down the Black Country Spine Road in Wednesbury around 815 this morning(didn't get the number!).
Quote from: Westy on January 21, 2014, 11:09:20 PM
What's left in red / non Arriva livery at the moment?
Me & my lift were behind an red MPD down the Black Country Spine Road in Wednesbury around 815 this morning(didn't get the number!).
2105,2108,2109,2110,2111,2113,2114,216,2117,2118,2121 and 2412 are in Red midland livery/Arriva interim logos :)
2107 (Y383 HKE) back in service looking smart in aquamarine livery on the 82/545/229/208 today. It also has Africa Moquette on the seats too
Lol its still a 13 yr old nail tarted up
Quote from: bob on January 26, 2014, 05:44:36 PM
Lol its still a 13 yr old nail tarted up
I was just going to add that to my post as I knew someone would have said that ;)
Lol to add to it worse still its a ex midland nail lol an there buses WAS nails :-p
One of the East Lancs Tridents is off the road at the minute, looks like it needs a new engine
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34645962@N04/12074851526/
Quote from: John on January 26, 2014, 08:56:31 PM
One of the East Lancs Tridents is off the road at the minute, looks like it needs a new engine
http://www.flickr.com/photos/34645962@N04/12074851526/
Most likely 4854 which sounded terrible a few weeks back
Is it the refurbished one or the one with the really naff interior?
Quote from: bob on January 26, 2014, 10:28:07 PM
Is it the refurbished one or the one with the really naff interior?
Unrefurbished 'naff' interior one
Lol thats not too bad then. Maybe thry can give it a retrim while its having the work done.
Quote from: bob on January 26, 2014, 10:38:06 PM
Lol thats not too bad then. Maybe thry can give it a retrim while its having the work done.
Tbh I do like the tridents so it would be good if they gave 4854 the Arriva Moquette and a new engine. Surely they will fit a newer efficient Euro 3, or Euro 4 engine?
Have u noticed how bad the legroom is on arrivas 2 tridrnts comparedto nx ones? Theres hardly any lol
The bodywork is an obvious giveaway that NX and Arriva Tridents are different. Most East Lancs buses were built to carry dwarfs
Quote from: Ashley on January 26, 2014, 10:53:40 PM
The bodywork is an obvious giveaway that NX and Arriva Tridents are different. Most East Lancs buses were built to carry dwarfs
The two East Lancs Citybuses that TGB operated had low ceilings, especially in the upper saloon, and Evergreen's Pyoneer Olympians (well, their Olympian now) aren't very generous with legroom
I have to tilt my head forwards when upstairs on the ELC's at WD. There is worse headroom but the legroom isn't great. Same story with Pyoneer Olympians and Arrows
this had engine problems last year - it was constantly breaking down, and knocking its brains out. i would have thought it would have had a new engine last year as it was repainted while it was off the road
All 50',65's and 57's I saw today were darts as I expected. Passengers seem to pick up on the changes quite quickly today and there hasn't been many problems as I thought there would.
Quote from: Ashley on January 26, 2014, 11:03:33 PM
I have to tilt my head forwards when upstairs on the ELC's at WD. There is worse headroom but the legroom isn't great. Same story with Pyoneer Olympians and Arrows
I always thought the East Lancs DD bodies of that era were some of the ugliest buses id ever seen
Nathan you were at school today though and didn't travel on any of the amended routes. There weren't problems as you put it but people were comfused and the minority as you would expect were abit irate about change. Maybe in the time you were in the bus station this afternoon you didnkt pick up on any such behaviour?
Quote from: bob on January 27, 2014, 07:28:32 PM
Quote from: Ashley on January 26, 2014, 11:03:33 PM
I have to tilt my head forwards when upstairs on the ELC's at WD. There is worse headroom but the legroom isn't great. Same story with Pyoneer Olympians and Arrows
I always thought the East Lancs DD bodies of that era were some of the ugliest buses id ever seen
Ugly bodies perhaps, but beastly inside! The EL Tridents at Wednesfield are some of the fastest Tridents I've been on, the EL Citybuses TGB owned are the fastest Citybuses I've been on, and the EL Olympian at Evergreen I have daily is the fastest Olympian I've been on.
Quote from: Ashley on January 27, 2014, 07:41:37 PM
Nathan you were at school today though and didn't travel on any of the amended routes. There weren't problems as you put it but people were comfused and the minority as you would expect were abit irate about change. Maybe in the time you were in the bus station this afternoon you didnkt pick up on any such behaviour?
Maybe so about the point of not seeing such behaviour this afternoon but you can't say I didn't travel on the amended routes this afternoon! ::) unless you are stalking me ;)
I can't disprove you didn't but this is Wolverhampton. Some people go mad if their toasts burnt let alone their bus service has changed (toast was probably a rubbish example)
Is there a plan to get rid or re paint the ex midland buses ?
just picked up a cancellation of the Amazon services from 20th January.
Quote from: mikestone on January 30, 2014, 01:43:13 PM
just picked up a cancellation of the Amazon services from 20th January.
can anyone confirm if 3 deckers have been lost due to this or they have been kept to replace older singles ?
Quote from: tphi12000 on January 30, 2014, 09:29:57 PM
Quote from: mikestone on January 30, 2014, 01:43:13 PM
just picked up a cancellation of the Amazon services from 20th January.
can anyone confirm if 3 deckers have been lost due to this or they have been kept to replace older singles ?
They are all still needed on the 10/A/B,/19 and 334
Quote from: Nathan on January 30, 2014, 09:48:54 PM
Quote from: tphi12000 on January 30, 2014, 09:29:57 PM
Quote from: mikestone on January 30, 2014, 01:43:13 PM
just picked up a cancellation of the Amazon services from 20th January.
can anyone confirm if 3 deckers have been lost due to this or they have been kept to replace older singles ?
They are all still needed on the 10/A/B,/19 and 334
I doubt many, if any of those services require deckers
The 334? Are you serious lol? Some 10s go onto school services but other than that a larger dart would cope surely? What about the 19 is that largely run by smaller buses now then? Ones that are suitable
The 10/A/B do require deckers now the service to Pattingham has dropped from hourly to two hourly added to the fact all Arriva journeys run not far in front of NXWM's 10. The 19 we've debated many times. The 334 could just be Darts. The issue is theoretically a lack of availability of more adequate vehicle. If Wednesfield had a few Commanders (just an example). These would be sufficient for demand
Quote from: bob on January 30, 2014, 10:06:53 PM
The 334? Are you serious lol? Some 10s go onto school services but other than that a larger dart would cope surely? What about the 19 is that largely run by smaller buses now then? Ones that are suitable
I didn't mean they need them in terms of passenger usage, I'm just saying they are used on those routes so I can't see any leaving. 19's have double deckers in the day due to certain boards interworking with the 10/A/B
Quote from: bob on January 30, 2014, 10:06:53 PM
The 334? Are you serious lol? Some 10s go onto school services but other than that a larger dart would cope surely? What about the 19 is that largely run by smaller buses now then? Ones that are suitable
The 19 appears to have Solo's/darts in the morning/afternoon peak
Its a bit naff really whats happened with wednesfield, arriva had a good chance to make there mark in the wm and they aint. Its just a continuation of midland. Theyve drafted in some really clapped out buses n put new seat covers on em, theyve not even tried to compete on any main corridors and most of the routes are dead. Theyve done some new routes like 310 but whod wana sit on a dart for like 90mins? Lol
PD0000478/290 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall Bus Station and Wolverhampton given service number 19 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
Wonderwhats changing...
Quote from: the trainbasher on January 31, 2014, 07:02:13 PM
PD0000478/290 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall Bus Station and Wolverhampton given service number 19 effective from 27-Apr-2014. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
Should really be Walsall-Bloxwich only
Wonder what it is about the 19 that it is always changing while the Nx 29 hasn't changed since it was introduced?
Don't know how long it has been back but 2111 has been repainted into Arriva Aquamarine/Refurbed with Arriva Moquette
Quote from: Nathan on February 01, 2014, 07:07:13 PM
Don't know how long it has been back but 2111 has been repainted into Arriva Aquamarine/Refurbed with Arriva Moquette
I think that is quite a recent one Nathan. The only 2 Y-HKE Darts that I knew of in Arriva livery were 2112 and 2125
Quote from: John on February 01, 2014, 11:03:58 PM
Quote from: Nathan on February 01, 2014, 07:07:13 PM
Don't know how long it has been back but 2111 has been repainted into Arriva Aquamarine/Refurbed with Arriva Moquette
I think that is quite a recent one Nathan. The only 2 Y-HKE Darts that I knew of in Arriva livery were 2112 and 2125
And 2107 which i reported the other day has just been done also :)
2111 was on the 214 earlier and it looked good refurbishment wise
Recently transfered 2295 (BF52 NZN) was on the 18 (Wolverhampton-Lyndale Park) today
Quote from: Ashley on January 30, 2014, 10:29:56 PM
The 10/A/B do require deckers now the service to Pattingham has dropped from hourly to two hourly added to the fact all Arriva journeys run not far in front of NXWM's 10. The 19 we've debated many times. The 334 could just be Darts. The issue is theoretically a lack of availability of more adequate vehicle. If Wednesfield had a few Commanders (just an example). These would be sufficient for demand
The service to Pattingham is still hourly it is the route that has changed between Pattingham & Perton not the timetable
2142 has been de-branded from the 35 9
Quote from: Nathan4775 on February 13, 2014, 01:54:15 PM
2142 has been de-branded from the 35 9
Was done a long time ago Nathan. Was debranded when unbranded 2143 wad branded for the 35
Quote from: Nathan on February 13, 2014, 05:39:34 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on February 13, 2014, 01:54:15 PM
2142 has been de-branded from the 35 9
Was done a long time ago Nathan. Was debranded when unbranded 2143 wad branded for the 35
Thanks Nathan, Thought it was done recently :)
Here's very recently repainted/refurbed 2563 YN53 ELV on the 18 today:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/trident_4609/12544850795/
I see that service 112 is being cancelled end of April less work for wednesfield depot to run
Quote from: Ck on February 19, 2014, 09:28:04 PM
I see that service 112 is being cancelled end of April less work for wednesfield depot to run
Let's hope they stay on the 35 as well!
19 Arriva Midlands Wolverhampton - Walsall via Bloxwich Amended to operate between Walsall and Bloxwich only. Timetable amended, but half hourly frequency is maintained.
Quote from: vinh1000 on February 25, 2014, 07:39:04 PM
19 Arriva Midlands Wolverhampton - Walsall via Bloxwich Amended to operate between Walsall and Bloxwich only. Timetable amended, but half hourly frequency is maintained.
Bob will be pleased!
HAHAHAHAHAHA! LMFAOOO! Another roaring success for Arriva then.....
Presumably lots of redundant knackered DAF deckers then??
Quote from: bob on February 25, 2014, 08:26:04 PM
Presumably lots of redundant knackered DAF deckers then??
It looks like nobody wants them any more, Arriva London have started sending large numbers off for scrap now instead of cascades. and some of the batch sent to Arriva North West have now gone for scrap as well
Quote from: bob on February 25, 2014, 08:26:04 PM
Presumably lots of redundant knackered DAF deckers then??
They will probably be put onto the 9 and 334 (Although again not warranted)
Quote from: Tony on February 25, 2014, 08:32:23 PM
Quote from: bob on February 25, 2014, 08:26:04 PM
Presumably lots of redundant knackered DAF deckers then??
It looks like nobody wants them any more, Arriva London have started sending large numbers off for scrap now instead of cascades. and some of the batch sent to Arriva North West have now gone for scrap as well
Is it unlawful if none of the bells work on a bus tony? Or bad practice at leaat? Loads of the wednesfield dafs have dead bells. I was on a W reg today and a lady missed her stop because of it. They are terrible buses though. Really poor condition if you scratch the surface
Quote from: vinh1000 on February 25, 2014, 07:39:04 PM
19 Arriva Midlands Wolverhampton - Walsall via Bloxwich Amended to operate between Walsall and Bloxwich only. Timetable amended, but half hourly frequency is maintained.
It's a shame but we knew it was coming.
Wonder what the future holds for the wednesfield operation? Cant see much in the way of expansion can anybody else? ? Everything they try to do fails miserably. ...yes they got the lichfield to walsall market sewn up but theyre just services nobody else wants to run..I dont think the 310 has been much of a success and the 9 & 334 arent really particularly well used services. Prob only the 10 in wolves and that could easily be run from elsewhere...
That leaves just tendered work...if they were to lose those theyd probably not last long. ..
Quote from: Tony on February 25, 2014, 08:32:23 PM
Quote from: bob on February 25, 2014, 08:26:04 PM
Presumably lots of redundant knackered DAF deckers then??
It looks like nobody wants them any more, Arriva London have started sending large numbers off for scrap now instead of cascades. and some of the batch sent to Arriva North West have now gone for scrap as well
They are literally some of the most useless buses I have ever been on... The arriva north east ones definitely need the scrapper sooner or later... I can understand possibly cascading tridents/b7tls like geminis but S reg DAF's are almost near the end of their life anyway and they seem a pretty poor bus so I can understand regional fleets putting forward a better case for newer more reliable and less thirsty buses and improving their image in the process...
Yea. Arriva must have thought. ..well we want to make a good impact in the west midlands so we'll respray some of midlands absolute shed darts we'll then transfer some clapped out london ones re trim em and call it investment and we'll cascade in some of the worst deckers weve got anywhere and we'll have a recipe for success. .lol. its worked great..
Quote from: bob on February 25, 2014, 11:54:47 PM
Yea. Arriva must have thought. ..well we want to make a good impact in the west midlands so we'll respray some of midlands absolute shed darts we'll then transfer some clapped out london ones re trim em and call it investment and we'll cascade in some of the worst deckers weve got anywhere and we'll have a recipe for success. .lol. its worked great..
In fairness, some of the innovations have been fairly good ie area guides and branding for the 310. However, choosing different service numbers, odd corridors and failing to provide any real competition with as you say knackered buses hasn't been great.
Tbh i would love it if Wednesfield Garage started expanding and competing on some routes having new investment. They do well on the 10 and i would probably give the route new or near new buses whether its double deckers or full size single deckers.
It still seems that Wednesfield is a bit separated from the other Arriva Midlands Operations would you agree?
Odds on the DAFs appearing on the 310 now??
Lol the 310? To give the illusion its a busy route :-0
If Arriva pull out of Wednesfield & lose Centro contracts because of it, there's plenty of companies willing to have a crack at the daytime journeys, but the evening journeys I suspect will be a straight fight between NX and Diamond, as no one else seems to interested in those.
(Unless someone else begs to differ)
Lol it seems like everything they touch turns bad...I wonder how long the 9 will last..Apparently not a busy service. ..if you remember it was a chase route they swiftly got rid of previously. ..the 310 hasnt really took off. And lets face it its not like they took over a successful firm..it was Midland lol. Id have said Chase despote theyre elderly vehicles ( which never kept breaking down repeatedly like Midlands fleet) were probably the more successful operator of the two and look what happened when arriva took over them...
Quote from: DiamondDart on February 25, 2014, 11:46:56 PM
Quote from: Tony on February 25, 2014, 08:32:23 PM
Quote from: bob on February 25, 2014, 08:26:04 PM
Presumably lots of redundant knackered DAF deckers then??
It looks like nobody wants them any more, Arriva London have started sending large numbers off for scrap now instead of cascades. and some of the batch sent to Arriva North West have now gone for scrap as well
They are literally some of the most useless buses I have ever been on... The arriva north east ones definitely need the scrapper sooner or later... I can understand possibly cascading tridents/b7tls like geminis but S reg DAF's are almost near the end of their life anyway and they seem a pretty poor bus so I can understand regional fleets putting forward a better case for newer more reliable and less thirsty buses and improving their image in the process...
The ones in Leicester are equally as bad and are forever having problems, our worst ones are 4779 and 4785 but they should be replaced by some of South Wigston depots DAF lowlanders which are being replaced with some new/newish buses later this year.
The deckers are going to be replaced I've heard
Leicester or Wednesfield u on about Aston?
Quote from: bob on February 26, 2014, 05:27:55 PM
Leicester or Wednesfield u on about Aston?
Wednesfield would need to keep some for the 10 although if i would give it some new/newish heavy duty (So no clapped out darts) single deckers.
Quote from: Nathan on February 26, 2014, 05:37:07 PM
Quote from: bob on February 26, 2014, 05:27:55 PM
Leicester or Wednesfield u on about Aston?
Wednesfield would need to keep some for the 10 although if i would give it some new/newish heavy duty (So no clapped out darts) single deckers.
Personally I cannot see that happening anytime soon...
To be fair ive seen loads and loads of 10s leaving wolves and they dont need anyrhing anywhere near the size of a decker. Cadets with 36/37 seats would probably be right. The excel never got full. Or versa's would suit it
Neither could i really Peter :( Tbh Arriva do well on the 10. I had a journey on there from Tettenhall Wood into Wolverhampton City Centre on Saturday Morning and it was jam packed downstairs and at least half full upstairs. And there were only a few pensioners. I have seen alot of 10 journeys that leave pretty busy. The only day that is pretty quiet on there is Sunday although you get more on a Sunday than i would expect with NX also operating on a Sunday.
Quote from: Nathan on February 26, 2014, 05:47:20 PM
Neither could i really Peter :( Tbh Arriva do well on the 10. I had a journey on there from Tettenhall Wood into Wolverhampton City Centre on Saturday Morning and it was jam packed downstairs and at least half full upstairs. And there were only a few pensioners. I have seen alot of 10 journeys that leave pretty busy. The only day that is pretty quiet on there is Sunday although you get more on a Sunday than i would expect with NX also operating on a Sunday.
I agree it seems one of their more successful competing routes but I reckon cadets/refurbed darts would cope fine most of the time and help keep costs down.
At present,the Sutton Sainsbury Free Bus and also route 604 are worked from Wednesfield Garage using the 112 for crew changes/relief.
Will these continue to run from Wednesfield or,as would seem quite logical,transfer to Tamworth operation when the 112 ceases?
Anyone think wednesfield will launch any new services to makeup for whats lost?
Quote from: bob on February 26, 2014, 08:37:59 PM
Anyone think wednesfield will launch any new services to makeup for whats lost?
They need to do something.
What else can they do?
Do they have or can they get extra resources to mount an assault on a major Nx corridor?
Aside from trying another new link, can't see what else they can do?
If they pull out of Wednesfield, I can't see them winning any or retaining any Wm contracts if they run the operation from the likes of Cannock, due to the dead mileage.
Even when they took over the ex Chase journeys on what was the 319, they didn't stay long ISTR.
Interesting to see how long they would stay on the Lichfield corridor if they left Wednesfield, as they didn't stay on the 61 when that was run from Cannock!
The 35/A/B/X cant be that well used anyway if all they require is a enviro200
I think the talk of wednesfield going is absolute rubbish! I think people on here need to realise how big and how much money Arriva have behind them. I think Arriva is waiting its time and establishing them self before they will mount an attack.
ive herd off hundreds of drivers that Arriva have tried to buy both De Courcey and Diamond bus so I think that this clearly shows they want to come into the west midlands. The talks of sapphire coming to the west midlands is a big step forward to and I can only see more advancement by Arriva and I seriously think all operators big and small as they creep in and wam....business is lost (as diamond found out)!!
Quote from: dannygill on February 26, 2014, 09:55:06 PM
I think the talk of wednesfield going is absolute rubbish! I think people on here need to realise how big and how much money Arriva have behind them. I think Arriva is waiting its time and establishing them self before they will mount an attack.
ive herd off hundreds of drivers that Arriva have tried to buy both De Courcey and Diamond bus so I think that this clearly shows they want to come into the west midlands. The talks of sapphire coming to the west midlands is a big step forward to and I can only see more advancement by Arriva and I seriously think all operators big and small as they creep in and wam....business is lost (as diamond found out)!!
Arriva's size, parent company & the money they behind them didn't help them in Malta.
The only way I can see Arriva mounting an offensive on NX is if they ever manage to acquire DeCourcey or Diamond/Rotala thus giving them a much larger commercial network & presence to build on.
If anything, Arriva, Stagecoach etc missed an opportunity to attack NXWM back in 2009 when NX were up to their eyeballs in debt, fighting off takeover attempts, new vehicles were few & far between & the general condition of the existing fleet was poor. The operation today is much stronger, investing heavily both in new vehicles and refurbishing the existing fleet
Quote from: Winston on February 26, 2014, 10:10:11 PM
Quote from: dannygill on February 26, 2014, 09:55:06 PM
I think the talk of wednesfield going is absolute rubbish! I think people on here need to realise how big and how much money Arriva have behind them. I think Arriva is waiting its time and establishing them self before they will mount an attack.
ive herd off hundreds of drivers that Arriva have tried to buy both De Courcey and Diamond bus so I think that this clearly shows they want to come into the west midlands. The talks of sapphire coming to the west midlands is a big step forward to and I can only see more advancement by Arriva and I seriously think all operators big and small as they creep in and wam....business is lost (as diamond found out)!!
Arriva's size, parent company & the money they behind them didn't help them in Malta.
The only way I can see Arriva mounting an offensive on NX is if they ever manage to acquire DeCourcey or Diamond/Rotala thus giving them a much larger commercial network & presence to build on.
If anything, Arriva, Stagecoach etc missed an opportunity to attack NXWM back in 2009 when NX were up to their eyeballs in debt, fighting off takeover attempts, new vehicles were few & far between & the general condition of the existing fleet was poor. The operation today is much stronger, investing heavily both in new vehicles and refurbishing the existing fleet
If you remember Stagecaoch did try to buy NX then but something happened which meant NX went it alone
Quote from: dannygill on February 26, 2014, 09:55:06 PM
I think the talk of wednesfield going is absolute rubbish! I think people on here need to realise how big and how much money Arriva have behind them. I think Arriva is waiting its time and establishing them self before they will mount an attack.
ive herd off hundreds of drivers that Arriva have tried to buy both De Courcey and Diamond bus so I think that this clearly shows they want to come into the west midlands. The talks of sapphire coming to the west midlands is a big step forward to and I can only see more advancement by Arriva and I seriously think all operators big and small as they creep in and wam....business is lost (as diamond found out)!!
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Just cos they're huge and have loads of money doesnt make them any good? ? They bought chase who had more commercial services than midland in 2007 and TOTALLY screwed that up...there's maybe 1 route of theres that they kept? Also a decent fleet may have helped but if they wanted to compete successfully? Rather than the one they've got lol. As forother operators be warned what for? Are arriva going to mount an assault on them with mpd darts? Lol!!!!
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 27, 2014, 01:08:34 AM
Quote from: Winston on February 26, 2014, 10:10:11 PM
Quote from: dannygill on February 26, 2014, 09:55:06 PM
I think the talk of wednesfield going is absolute rubbish! I think people on here need to realise how big and how much money Arriva have behind them. I think Arriva is waiting its time and establishing them self before they will mount an attack.
ive herd off hundreds of drivers that Arriva have tried to buy both De Courcey and Diamond bus so I think that this clearly shows they want to come into the west midlands. The talks of sapphire coming to the west midlands is a big step forward to and I can only see more advancement by Arriva and I seriously think all operators big and small as they creep in and wam....business is lost (as diamond found out)!!
Arriva's size, parent company & the money they behind them didn't help them in Malta.
The only way I can see Arriva mounting an offensive on NX is if they ever manage to acquire DeCourcey or Diamond/Rotala thus giving them a much larger commercial network & presence to build on.
If anything, Arriva, Stagecoach etc missed an opportunity to attack NXWM back in 2009 when NX were up to their eyeballs in debt, fighting off takeover attempts, new vehicles were few & far between & the general condition of the existing fleet was poor. The operation today is much stronger, investing heavily both in new vehicles and refurbishing the existing fleet
If you remember Stagecaoch did try to buy NX then but something happened which meant NX went it alone
I remember well, Stagecoach initially teamed up with CVC capital partners/The Cosmen's to buy NX Groups UK businesses off them if their takeover attempt was successful. CVC capital backed out of the takeover bid in the finish. Then Stagecoach approached NX group directly about a merger proposal which was promptly rejected in favour of remaining independent & paying down debt via a rights issue
Wednesfield is becoming a dead duck and just a scrapyard for its sheds plus the ex midland ones the 19 has gone bye bye so I have no alternative apart from the 89 soon will see wednesfield like Chase gone and shut up shop
Discodave! :)
4854 is back in service now on the 19 today. Did it have a new engine or just repairs to the exsisting engine?
4854 has been back a while Nathan. Don't think it has had a new engine, sounds exactly the same
Quote from: Ashley on February 27, 2014, 10:25:49 PM
4854 has been back a while Nathan. Don't think it has had a new engine, sounds exactly the same
Oh OK Ash :) haven't seen it for quite abit
No it's been back about a week or so Nathan
Quote from: Ashley on February 27, 2014, 10:35:49 PM
No it's been back about a week or so Nathan
Thanks :) I thought it was back recently (within the past week).
2563 YN53ELV is another solo to be repainted into the latest arriva interurban liverey, she has also been refurbed inside aswell
Quote from: arrivaaston on March 02, 2014, 10:20:13 PM
2563 YN53ELV is another solo to be repainted into the latest arriva interurban liverey, she has also been refurbed inside aswell
I reported it a few weeks back Arrivaaston days after it was put back in service.
Here's my photo of it:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/trident_4609/12544850795/
2145 is back at Wednesfield and has been debranded (it is on the 208/82/545/229 runs)
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 10, 2014, 09:33:46 PM
2145 is back at Wednesfield and has been debranded (it is on the 208/82/545/229 runs)
Which route was it branded for?
Quote from: Nathan on March 10, 2014, 09:34:25 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 10, 2014, 09:33:46 PM
2145 is back at Wednesfield and has been debranded (it is on the 208/82/545/229 runs)
Which route was it branded for?
At a guess, the Breeze 86/87 services in Leicester
Quote from: Nathan on March 10, 2014, 09:34:25 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 10, 2014, 09:33:46 PM
2145 is back at Wednesfield and has been debranded (it is on the 208/82/545/229 runs)
Which route was it branded for?
A leicester route - pic (not mine) here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/49490214@N08/12676211943/)
2121 broken down on Wolves Ring Road.
4851, 4796, 4801 & 4804 on 19's.
I thought it was the 47/48 routes in Leicester that was "Breeze"
Quote from: arrivaaston on March 11, 2014, 02:49:10 PM
I thought it was the 47/48 routes in Leicester that was "Breeze"
The Breeze services are 84, 85 operated by the branded Ex-London Geminis, and the 86 and 87 that were operated by the branded Enviro200s. The 86/7 seem to have been converted to DAF DB250 operation (I wonder if some of these will be branded for Breeze)
The 47/48 usually have lowlanders but before breeze was launched they did used to have some of the Ex London Geminis.
The Alx400's seem much smoother around Eyres Monsell compared to the Enviro200's.
South Wigston 2146 E200 was on the 35 Yesterday, not sure if its a transfer or loan (:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/13105128345/
Saw an e200 driving past asda in cannock this morning
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 12, 2014, 02:06:55 PM
South Wigston 2146 E200 was on the 35 Yesterday, not sure if its a transfer or loan (:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/13105128345/
it's a transfer along with 2145 and 2147-2150
Quote from: Nathan4775 on March 12, 2014, 02:06:55 PM
South Wigston 2146 E200 was on the 35 Yesterday, not sure if its a transfer or loan (:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/90949252@N04/13105128345/
Three ALX400 DAF DB250's are leaving Wednesfield for another depot with 2145/6/7 coming to Wednesfield
2150 has been on loan at Stafford last couple of days
Wednesfield are only having 2145/46/47 in exchange for 3 of the deckers
Quote from: Westy on March 11, 2014, 11:37:53 AM
2121 broken down on Wolves Ring Road.
By 1240 it had reached the main traffic lights on Stafford Street/Lichfield Street. Still broken down, hazards flashing and minus driver on route 18.
Quote from: arrivaaston on March 12, 2014, 10:49:13 PM
Wednesfield are only having 2145/46/47 in exchange for 3 of the deckers
Not correct, the entire batch is returning, 2150 from Stafford will be the next arrival at Wednesfield
Wonder why wednesfield have been deemed worthy of such modern vehicles lol? Ypud think theyd maybe replace oldddarts with them at other garages then send the older darts to wednesfield
Quote from: Tony on March 13, 2014, 06:07:32 PM
Quote from: arrivaaston on March 12, 2014, 10:49:13 PM
Wednesfield are only having 2145/46/47 in exchange for 3 of the deckers
Not correct, the entire batch is returning, 2150 from Stafford will be the next arrival at Wednesfield
there is a E200 parked in Cannock yard this evening maybe this is 2150 en route to Wednesfield.?
Well its good to see some better vehicles coming to wednesfield I did think it was a shame when they left!!! I still think wednesfield could do with some optare versas or something simlar for services like 334/10 there cheap!!
The 10 yea but 334 isnt a busy route. E200 would be ok for it?
Quote from: bob on March 13, 2014, 07:50:04 PM
The 10 yea but 334 isnt a busy route. E200 would be ok for it?
Yes they could make the 334 E200 operated possibly?
Versa's too small for the 10. Having deckers is justified come school and peak times and during the day as well sometimes. 334 any kind of Dart like it is now is fine although E200's would look better from the viewpoint of passengers/drivers/engineers plus those spotters who like that sort of thing
So if Wednesfield have all 11 e200, are they going on any specific route or are they been branded?
Quote from: arrivaaston on March 14, 2014, 08:48:41 AM
So if Wednesfield have all 11 e200, are they going on any specific route or are they been branded?
2140-41 are branded for the 9 (Lodge Farm-Walsall),2142 is unbranded,2143-4 are Walsall to Lichfield Branded then 2145-50 are unbranded at present.
Think they'll just go on any routes. Anybody know which three DAF's are leaving WD?
Quote from: Ashley on March 14, 2014, 08:30:26 AM
Versa's too small for the 10. Having deckers is justified come school and peak times and during the day as well sometimes. 334 any kind of Dart like it is now is fine although E200's would look better from the viewpoint of passengers/drivers/engineers plus those spotters who like that sort of thing
But mpds and the excel cope fine with the 10? When they had the excel it was on there loads
Quote from: Ashley on March 14, 2014, 09:00:56 AM
Think they'll just go on any routes. Anybody know which three DAF's are leaving WD?
Tony's reply on this page:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1635.60
Bob, You also have the 10A and 10B which extend to Pattingham and Codsall so they pick up a fair few more passengers up (Especially to and from Pattingham). Trust me I have seen very busy loads on the Arriva 10 that require double deckers and I ride the route regually and I can tell you it justifies deckers.
If you see the school loadings now, bear in mind the 516 and 517 have merged into the 10/A/B. Deckers are needed all day. The Excel could cope fine but that was before improvements were made. An MPD would do for evenings and sundays but they leave a DAF out on the night board which I'm not complaining about.
Quote from: Nathan on March 14, 2014, 09:08:50 AM
Quote from: Ashley on March 14, 2014, 09:00:56 AM
Think they'll just go on any routes. Anybody know which three DAF's are leaving WD?
Tony's reply on this page:
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1635.60
4810 is the third one
http://www.flickr.com/photos/73096525@N02/13094218144/
4810 was the last one from Wednesfield that I needed as well
2150 is out today on the 334
Anyone seen the x wigston envrios out today on
Wendsfield services
Quote from: Solo1 on March 15, 2014, 11:43:29 AM
Anyone seen the x wigston envrios out today on
Wendsfield services
2146 is out on the 229 today. Saw 2150 yesterday parked up at Bilston Bus Station on the 229 which I think was its first day in service at Wednesfield?
Driver on 4854 ( an absolute nail screeching brakes crap interior the lot, only thing good about it was it was relatively nippy) said e200 are gonna be used on the 19 when it stops going to wolves....
it was on 545 tonight which had interworked with 82 and 229
I didn't think the 229 interworked with the 82 and 545. I thought 229 interworked with the 208
Quote from: Ashley on March 16, 2014, 02:09:19 PM
I didn't think the 229 interworked with the 82 and 545. I thought 229 interworked with the 208
It has always interworked with the other three since the merger with midland. It runs:
229 Dudley to Bilston
545 Bilston to Wolverhampton
82 Wolverhampton to Dudley
208 Dudley to Merry Hill
208 Merry Hill to Dudley
82 Dudley to Wolverhampton
545 Wolverhampton to Bilston
229 Bilston back to Dudley
Sounds like fun. Thanks for the info
Saw 4804 on the Walsall Road in Birmingham around 4.20 pm, south of Scott Arms going northbound. It was out of service. Could it have been on a school contract or something similar?
An MPD on the 10A this afternoon
Quote from: Nathan on April 01, 2014, 05:45:13 PM
An MPD on the 10A this afternoon
2108, 2111, 2412 were on 10's today
Someone complained on arrivas fb page about bells not working and arriva replied they should be in working order on all buses, the ex london shed deckers at wednesfield are full of dead bells! Shows how seriously they take maintenance lol
Quote from: bob on April 01, 2014, 10:43:01 PM
Someone complained on arrivas fb page about bells not working and arriva replied they should be in working order on all buses, the ex london shed deckers at wednesfield are full of dead bells! Shows how seriously they take maintenance lol
The ex London bangers in Leicester are just as bad and Arriva have known about it for months but have done nothing.
Its obviously not a legal requirement for them to work then lol
Quote from: bob on April 01, 2014, 10:43:01 PM
Someone complained on arrivas fb page about bells not working and arriva replied they should be in working order on all buses, the ex london shed deckers at wednesfield are full of dead bells! Shows how seriously they take maintenance lol
its part of your walk around that they bells are working, so obviously shouldn't of been on the road
Well theyve not worked for months lol
2108 on the 10 today looking freshly repainted. How long has it been back in Aquamarine livery?
Will any of the DAFs go when the 19 is curtailed? Hopefully on a one way ticket to the breaker's yard
I was looking at the running board on the Sunday 10 yesterday (2108) and it says it runs dead back to Wednesfield at End Of Srvice n the 10 then runs dead to Walsall and takes up duties on the 41/8A. The bus on the Sunday 10 is usually a Double decker so does the bus get swapped on arrival back at Wednesfield for say an MPD to go on the 41?
ROUTE 310 Anybody know how this route is financially getting on? Is it more beneficial than running 327/610 separately? It never seems very busy when i see it. (especially between Dudley - Merry Hill). What are your thoughts?
Nx have probably got the strength between dudley and merry hill with the X96. Its handy fpr people in Willenhall as a link but its not particularly quick to get to merry hill from there lol
running time seems extremely slow between dudley & merry hill too.
What word would that be...lol
I've never seen a 310 without at least 5 people on. If it beats the X96 onto the stand in Merry Hill or Dudley then they score but thats still the case on any journey so it's not a dead duck even if the route is abit long.
P.S sorry to say this but please stop with the "Slag off Arriva club". It's becoming childish and irritating. Nobody's perfect I get that but Arriva Midlands are still much better than that I hate motto's but I've gone for one now. Sorry lads
Quote from: Ashley on April 07, 2014, 11:47:24 PM
I've never seen a 310 without at least 5 people on. If it beats the X96 onto the stand in Merry Hill or Dudley then they score but thats still the case on any journey so it's not a dead duck even if the route is abit long.
P.S sorry to say this but please stop with the "Slag off Arriva club". It's becoming childish and irritating. Nobody's perfect I get that but Arriva Midlands are still much better than that I hate motto's but I've gone for one now. Sorry lads
It stops nowhere near the x96 in Dudley, normally very few board, but as an alternative to the 276
I'm told that 2412 (OUI2376) is now off fleet at Wednesfield.
Quote from: baker_06 on April 07, 2014, 03:16:13 PM
running time seems extremely slow between dudley & merry hill too.
I wouldn't have said that at all...
There must be a reason why some of the arriva services arent doing/havent done well. Anyone any ideas ? Maybe they could up their game and invest in newer better buses? Or cascade some decent enough stock in? Apart from a few e200s which is a start theres just loads of old darts, and some pretty naff deckers all of which are between 13-15yrs old
Quote from: bob on April 08, 2014, 07:45:55 PM
There must be a reason why some of the arriva services arent doing/havent done well. Anyone any ideas ? Maybe they could up their game and invest in newer better buses? Or cascade some decent enough stock in? Apart from a few e200s which is a start theres just loads of old darts, and some pretty naff deckers all of which are between 13-15yrs old
The refurbed MPDs are fine. We say some of the arriva services aren't doing well. Many are subsidised it is just stuff like the 19/334/9 that seem to struggle...
So basically almost all commercial services then lol...not forgetting the failure of the 112 also. Darts refurbished or otherwise are basically 90s/early 2000s minibus replacements though aren't they? Hardly the best for long interurban services. ...and the older ones arent exactly in great nick either. All im saying is its probably not the best image
Quote from: DiamondDart on April 08, 2014, 09:53:03 PM
Quote from: bob on April 08, 2014, 07:45:55 PM
There must be a reason why some of the arriva services arent doing/havent done well. Anyone any ideas ? Maybe they could up their game and invest in newer better buses? Or cascade some decent enough stock in? Apart from a few e200s which is a start theres just loads of old darts, and some pretty naff deckers all of which are between 13-15yrs old
The refurbed MPDs are fine. We say some of the arriva services aren't doing well. Many are subsidised it is just stuff like the 19/334/9 that seem to struggle...
Don't those particular services operate on heavily used NX corridors anyway?
Coming through Bentley most mornings I see a Sandwell Travel 333x followed by an Arriva 9.
On my road, Arriva run the daytime service 2/2a but I (& most people I bet!) go round to the more frequent Nx/Diamond 301 & 302 on the other road.
(By the way, the Arriva on my road has gone past both my mother & other people at twice lately & there was space on the vehicles! I just told my mother not to bother & go round to the 301 / 302. The only time I'll catch Arriva now is if I need either Cannock or Lichfield which isn't often! )
If they compete with Nx on one of their decent routes, say 529 for instance, they will need enough buses to make a decent go of it.
Personally they could try rerouting the daytime 2/2a between Bloxwich & Walsall, down to the Kfc/4 Crosses island in Leamore, take a right onto Leamore Lane & go into Walsall via Beechdale & Sainsburys.
Nx & Diamond have the Bloxwich Road sewn up in my opinion.
Would you keep the 1 as is though?
Could you run the 1 as far as Bloxwich then follow the 19 route to Walsall?
Maybe not, but as a possible cost saving measure, it could be a idea?
Admittedly I'm throwing ideas in the air, but if they can try a route like the 310....
2412 was on 334's on monday
Quote from: andyallen4014 on April 08, 2014, 06:01:38 PM
I'm told that 2412 (OUI2376) is now off fleet at Wednesfield.
2412 was out last week a few times aswell, also I've been told 2208 S208DTO has moved to Stafford, does anybody know different?
Still no posters on buses advertising the changes to the 19 in a couple of weeks...professional as ever lol
Quote from: bob on April 15, 2014, 09:14:43 AM
Still no posters on buses advertising the changes to the 19 in a couple of weeks...professional as ever lol
According to Facebook, they're doing a return fare for a short period.
A route they might like to have a go on is the 79! Every time I travel on it I'm amazed how busy it gets, and with NXWM only running every 20 minutes there is room on this route I'm sure, when WN occasionally let a Merc slip on it can be chaos, particularly at the West Brom end, and with the route run half by the brilliant, but lets be honest aging Spectra's the Arriva fleet might almost look more modern
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on April 18, 2014, 08:57:49 AM
A route they might like to have a go on is the 79! Every time I travel on it I'm amazed how busy it gets, and with NXWM only running every 20 minutes there is room on this route I'm sure, when WN occasionally let a Merc slip on it can be chaos, particularly at the West Brom end, and with the route run half by the brilliant, but lets be honest aging Spectra's the Arriva fleet might almost look more modern
Tbh there are several routes they could have a go competing on such as the 59.79,529 etc. If they they did become successful on these main corridors then it could help then expand even further into the Midlands (And new investment into Wednesfield Garage possibly). To me Wednesfield Garage still seems separate away from the rest of the arriva group despite having all the Arriva livered buses it still seems like the old Midland operation but with Arriva Livered vehicles. They do well competing on the 10 (Double Deckers are needed on fair few trips) so I would like to see them expand.
There is no way that Arriva are going to go head to head with NXWM on a trunk route, the danger of a retaliatory attack is far too great.
How exactly would Arriva make it look more modern? Theyre deckers are the same as nx spectras just with a alx body ? Theyre also far more knackered sounding than nx's. Perhaps they could throw one of their many darts on there, or a solo lol thatd give em the edge :-P
Maybe arriva didnt plan to compete though? It sure looks that way a few e200s passed off as huge investment and thats about it lol.
Quote from: mikestone on April 18, 2014, 09:27:44 AM
There is no way that Arriva are going to go head to head with NXWM on a trunk route, the danger of a retaliatory attack is far too great.
The thing is, I remember Twm having a go at one or two of theold Chase routes in Walsall, 363 & 364.
Can't remember for sure, but did Twm make an impression on those routes & Chase gave in or Twm gave in themselves?
Think the Chase 364 lasted through to the Arriva takeover.
The point I'm making is if Arriva jumped on the 79 then Nx retaliated with extra buses, if Arriva came off, would Nx keep the extra buses on?
If Diamond ever came off the 301, it would be interesting to see if Nx reduced their frequency too, seeing the competition had given up?!
Quote from: Westy on April 18, 2014, 10:11:59 AM
Quote from: mikestone on April 18, 2014, 09:27:44 AM
There is no way that Arriva are going to go head to head with NXWM on a trunk route, the danger of a retaliatory attack is far too great.
The thing is, I remember Twm having a go at one or two of theold Chase routes in Walsall, 363 & 364.
Can't remember for sure, but did Twm make an impression on those routes & Chase gave in or Twm gave in themselves?
Think the Chase 364 lasted through to the Arriva takeover.
The point I'm making is if Arriva jumped on the 79 then Nx retaliated with extra buses, if Arriva came off, would Nx keep the extra buses on?
If Diamond ever came off the 301, it would be interesting to see if Nx reduced their frequency too, seeing the competition had given up?!
Well when Diamond came off the 17 & 37 NX actually Increased the frequency. So history doesn't say the 301 would drop if Diamond withdrew
The 364 along with most other chase routes apart from the 1 ( which arriva already operated as well as chase) and the 560 went shortly after the takeover. It didn't last long. Maybe chase routes were unprofitable as it stood or arriva messed them up I don't know. I know that shortly after takeover 2 arriva b6s crashed in walsall one causing a fatality
One things for sure though chases nationals despite being ancient were well maintained. Dont think I ever saw them miss trips and break down in all the years I used the 1! Arriva on the other hand have been shocking! Anyone whos been on 3704 will know what I mean. It still has half of the big chase linx logo missing on the drivers side since last summer and looks a state
Reason 3704 is like that is because it had new panels placed on, reason for not replacing the "Chaselinx" is because they are all due to be debranded and employed to other routes
What so theyve left it for nearly a year?
2106 is now back repainted/refurbed. Seen sometime in the week on the 63/5
Quote from: Nathan on April 21, 2014, 10:10:02 AM
2106 is now back repainted/refurbed. Seen sometime in the week on the 63/5
Here's 2106
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55432463@N08/13939867625/in/photostream/
2103 also done
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55432463@N08/13939907843/in/photostream/
Hopefully this one comes back to Wednesfield as well
Pity they don't award cannocks falling to bits threadbare examples the same treatment. ..then they can ship em off to wednesfield!
Quote from: Nathan on April 21, 2014, 10:10:02 AM
2106 is now back repainted/refurbed. Seen sometime in the week on the 63/5
2106 has had new flooring put down and new cream (Arrival Standard) coloured handrails.
Why are they being done at derby though? Its not like cannock are even repainting any of theirs lol let alone refurbishing tbem
In the photo of 2103, that decker looks nice...... Guessing its for another Arriva region? And is there an identity on the other red darts in the back ground??
Quote from: arrivaaston on April 23, 2014, 09:07:35 AM
In the photo of 2103, that decker looks nice...... Guessing its for another Arriva region? And is there an identity on the other red darts in the back ground??
The one backing on looks like 2111 they must all be getting done. Surprising but they actually spruce up ok?
Quote from: andy on April 23, 2014, 11:56:29 AM
Quote from: arrivaaston on April 23, 2014, 09:07:35 AM
In the photo of 2103, that decker looks nice...... Guessing its for another Arriva region? And is there an identity on the other red darts in the back ground??
The one backing on looks like 2111 they must all be getting done. Surprising but they actually spruce up ok?
2111 was done some time ago
Quote from: Nathan on April 23, 2014, 12:20:03 PM
Quote from: andy on April 23, 2014, 11:56:29 AM
Quote from: arrivaaston on April 23, 2014, 09:07:35 AM
In the photo of 2103, that decker looks nice...... Guessing its for another Arriva region? And is there an identity on the other red darts in the back ground??
The one backing on looks like 2111 they must all be getting done. Surprising but they actually spruce up ok?
2111 was done some time ago
I don't really follow these things, I was just trying to blow the reg up!
Quote from: arrivaaston on April 23, 2014, 09:07:35 AM
In the photo of 2103, that decker looks nice...... Guessing its for another Arriva region? And is there an identity on the other red darts in the back ground??
More than likely. Some of the ex-DLP class DAF Presidents are with Arriva North West, so may be ending up there. Would be nice to see it here though
Surprised that they're spending money refurbing lots of old darts though? Theyre already 13 yrs old and not built to last much longer are they? Wonder how much extra life they're planning to get out of them
Quote from: bob on April 23, 2014, 03:24:52 PM
Surprised that they're spending money refurbing lots of old darts though? Theyre already 13 yrs old and not built to last much longer are they? Wonder how much extra life they're planning to get out of them
Well they certainly appear to be doing a proper job on them. I can only assume that however much we hate Darts, they are very cheap and easy to overhaul and maintain, or they probably wouldn't bother.
Cheap is a word id definitely associate them lol. They're ok for short trips but horrible for say all the way from cannock to lichfield or wolves. Not up to the task at all
Quote from: bob on April 23, 2014, 04:33:57 PM
Cheap is a word id definitely associate them lol. They're ok for short trips but horrible for say all the way from cannock to lichfield or wolves. Not up to the task at all
Come back to me when you've sat on a Streetlite for half and hour....
Ive heard they aren't brilliant? Why on earth are arriva using them to upgrade the 1 to sapphire if theyre as awful as people say. ..ive heard they're a bit noisy
From what I've seen the engine sounds VERY strained - I suggest looking on YouTube as a prime example of what I mean.
Quote from: bob on April 23, 2014, 05:13:13 PM
Ive heard they aren't brilliant? Why on earth are arriva using them to upthere's noe 1 to sapphire if theyre as awful as people say. ..ive heard they're a bit noisy
A bit??!! Diamond examples on Redditch uphill sound incredibly strained even compared to an sb200 and comparing streetlites to b7rles.... well there's no comparison! Not a massive streetlite fan they seem well built as wrightbus products are but they are ugly loud and cramped especially the narrow aisle which by the time people are overhanging the aisle or with shopping or standees etc it makes for a very cramped interior.
Quote from: DiamondDart on April 23, 2014, 06:05:53 PM
Quote from: bob on April 23, 2014, 05:13:13 PM
Ive heard they aren't brilliant? Why on earth are arriva using them to upthere's noe 1 to sapphire if theyre as awful as people say. ..ive heard they're a bit noisy
A bit??!! Diamond examples on Redditch uphill sound incredibly strained even compared to an sb200 and comparing streetlites to b7rles.... well there's no comparison! Not a massive streetlite fan they seem well built as wrightbus products are but they are ugly loud and cramped especially the narrow aisle which by the time people are overhanging the aisle or with shopping or standees etc it makes for a very cramped interior.
Dreadful machines, the worst. Cramped, firm seating which is too low, no legroom atall, terrible hard ride, hopelessly underpowered and terrible steering lock which causes dreadful problems on the wheel forward versions with continually clipping kerbs on the turn.
I sure hope we don't get any junk like that coming to our way - by the time the Scanias are done with...
Quote from: andy on April 23, 2014, 06:18:05 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on April 23, 2014, 06:05:53 PM
Quote from: bob on April 23, 2014, 05:13:13 PM
Ive heard they aren't brilliant? Why on earth are arriva using them to upthere's noe 1 to sapphire if theyre as awful as people say. ..ive heard they're a bit noisy
A bit??!! Diamond examples on Redditch uphill sound incredibly strained even compared to an sb200 and comparing streetlites to b7rles.... well there's no comparison! Not a massive streetlite fan they seem well built as wrightbus products are but they are ugly loud and cramped especially the narrow aisle which by the time people are overhanging the aisle or with shopping or standees etc it makes for a very cramped interior.
Dreadful machines, the worst. Cramped, firm seating which is too low, no legroom atall, terrible hard ride, hopelessly underpowered and terrible steering lock which causes dreadful problems on the wheel forward versions with continually clipping kerbs on the turn.
Clipping kerbs on turns is nothing to do with poor locks, more to do with drivers who are not used to vehicles with wheels at the front. You get it on Solos with drivers who don't normally drive them - bad driving basically!. The seating layout, style of seating will be different in the Cannock ones so we will have to see if that is good or bad. Not quite sure how seating is too low! They are standard height factory produced seats from manufacturers who produce seats for any vehicle an operator requests them in and they will be fixed to a low floor, the same height off the ground as any other low floor bus (maybe it is the winodws are too high?)
Quote from: Tony on April 23, 2014, 06:33:15 PM
Quote from: andy on April 23, 2014, 06:18:05 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on April 23, 2014, 06:05:53 PM
Quote from: bob on April 23, 2014, 05:13:13 PM
Ive heard they aren't brilliant? Why on earth are arriva using them to upthere's noe 1 to sapphire if theyre as awful as people say. ..ive heard they're a bit noisy
A bit??!! Diamond examples on Redditch uphill sound incredibly strained even compared to an sb200 and comparing streetlites to b7rles.... well there's no comparison! Not a massive streetlite fan they seem well built as wrightbus products are but they are ugly loud and cramped especially the narrow aisle which by the time people are overhanging the aisle or with shopping or standees etc it makes for a very cramped interior.
Dreadful machines, the worst. Cramped, firm seating which is too low, no legroom atall, terrible hard ride, hopelessly underpowered and terrible steering lock which causes dreadful problems on the wheel forward versions with continually clipping kerbs on the turn.
Clipping kerbs on turns is nothing to do with poor locks, more to do with drivers who are not used to vehicles with wheels at the front. You get it on Solos with drivers who don't normally drive them - bad driving basically!. The seating layout, style of seating will be different in the Cannock ones so we will have to see if that is good or bad. Not quite sure how seating is too low! They are standard height factory produced seats from manufacturers who produce seats for any vehicle an operator requests them in and they will be fixed to a low floor, the same height off the ground as any other low floor bus (maybe it is the winodws are too high?)
I can only speak as I found with the Silverline ones Tony. I know what you are saying about drivers not being used to wheel forward, but I can assure you the steering lock on these is far worse than a Solo, there are several junctions around Solihull that you cant turn right into from the centre lane of the road hence why they rarely get used in passenger service, the steering is also very heavy.
In terms of seat height I'm positive these weren't as high riding as a Dart or a Solo, they seem to be much further down and your knees point up when sat in one.
So the Sapphire brand is supposed to improve the route, and make the journey more pleasurable /comfortable right? How's that going to happen on a route thats going to be using horrifically underpowered, horrendously noisy hard riding piles of crap? And also iNCREDIBLY ugly....
Sb200s aren't the best buses are they but why not put some leather seated examples on the 1, similar to the X38 examples? Wouldn't that make sense
Quote from: bob on April 23, 2014, 07:57:57 PM
So the Sapphire brand is supposed to improve the route, and make the journey more pleasurable /comfortable right? How's that going to happen on a route thats going to be using horrifically underpowered, horrendously noisy hard riding piles of crap? And also iNCREDIBLY ugly....
Sb200s aren't the best buses are they but why not put some leather seated examples on the 1, similar to the X38 examples? Wouldn't that make sense
Or like the Sapphire SB200' on the 7 in Darlington?:
http://focustransport2011.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/sapphire-comes-to-north-east.html
Back to Wednesfield Garage.....
How many ex Midland Vehicles are there left to paint into Current Arriva livery?
Jeeez I just looked at a YouTube video of a First South Yorkshire example. They sound really REALLY bad.....
Anyone else think its a bit odd that the sapphire e400's have a different type of seat downstairs than they do upstairs? The top deck ones look a lot comfier lol
Quote from: Nathan on April 23, 2014, 08:04:17 PM
Quote from: bob on April 23, 2014, 07:57:57 PM
So the Sapphire brand is supposed to improve the route, and make the journey more pleasurable /comfortable right? How's that going to happen on a route thats going to be using horrifically underpowered, horrendously noisy hard riding piles of crap? And also iNCREDIBLY ugly....
Sb200s aren't the best buses are they but why not put some leather seated examples on the 1, similar to the X38 examples? Wouldn't that make sense
Or like the Sapphire SB200' on the 7 in Darlington?:
http://focustransport2011.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/sapphire-comes-to-north-east.html
Back to Wednesfield Garage.....
How many ex Midland Vehicles are there left to paint into Current Arriva livery?
I go on the 7 fairly regularly. The sb200's on there are quite nice but already there is a fair bit of ingrained dirt that has clearly been there longer than 24 hours. Admittedly I'm very fussy but a Sapphire service designed to tempt people out of their cars needs to really be something special not just leather and new paint I hope when Sapphire comes to Cannock the basics of bus operation eg cleaning and timekeeping are not ignored. Having said that in the North East we are getting a fair few more Sapphire routes and more investment than other regions in the rather stingy Arriva orders.Must say though I am a massive fan of arrivas refurbed MPDs.
What was happening with Wednesfield depot buses yesterday - at around 11.30 - 12.30 there were no buses at all operating on the 9 / 334 and buses missing from 310, the bus station supervisor at St. Paul's said he'd rung up about missing buses on the 19 and 35. There was not 1615 9 or 1635 334 from Bradford Place either.
Different people were saying different things - some said some dirty or contaminated fuel had been put into buses that were seizing up others said electrical problems. I can see how fuel problems could effect multiple buses but not electrical problems?
Anybody any ideas?
Could it be anything to do with having a crap clapped out fleet? Cannock had similar problems not that long ago where they had about 15 buses break down in one day
In answer to Nathan's question, the last buses in red livery are 2105 2110 2113 2115 and 2412 if that counts so they've done well tarting up the fleet.
To anybody in the "Slag Off Arriva Club" give it a @@@@@@@ rest. Multiple breakdowns could be the answer to lack of vehicles but multiple occurances of congestion could be another plausable issue
Yea could have been multiple congestion but other operators routes would be similarly affected ie the 89 for bloxwichgo wolves section or 29 Iin blakenall, and loads of routes in the area the 310 runs, and whichever go near the334/9. Wouldnt think thered be a huge aamount of congestion....not on a sat
Quote from: Ashley on April 27, 2014, 09:27:33 PM
In answer to Nathan's question, the last buses in red livery are 2105 2110 2113 2115 and 2412 if that counts so they've done well tarting up the fleet.
To anybody in the "Slag Off Arriva Club" give it a @@@@@@@ rest. Multiple breakdowns could be the answer to lack of vehicles but multiple occurances of congestion could be another plausable issue
I am not in the 'slag off Arriva Club.' I think they have done a good job to turn things around quickly from taking over Midland and the ex-Midland buses Y *** HKE Darts and others look very smart after both external and internal refurbishments and newer buses are coming in.
Yesterday's problems were nothing to do with traffic congestion but obviously to do with a fuel, electrical or other problem which effected a significant number of buses. Such problmes are unforeseen and can happen to anybody, I simply wondered if anybody had the correct version of the story.
I saw 2106 Y381HKE repainted on the 20 or 21 this afternoon on Bearwood High St. Has this been reinstated?
Quote from: uniquicity on April 28, 2014, 05:50:20 PM
I saw 2106 Y381HKE repainted on the 20 or 21 this afternoon on Bearwood High St. Has this been reinstated?
I wasn't aware it had been withdrawn? It came back some time last week i think
Just going by what is on Tony's fleetlist
http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/2106.html
I actually know nothing about Arriva ;)
@fleetline4677, yes theyre unfortunate and yes they could happen to anybody but they seem to happen to arriva more than any other operator locally? Lol.
@ashley hows it slagging em off? The fleet is s#####ed? Apart from a handful of e200s look at the rest of it? Darts the newest of which must be 12yrs old the newest decker is 13 years old! Just cos theyve had a retrim n repaint doesnt mean theyre not heaps of junk. Id be scared to imagine what the average fleet age is at wednesfield
Quote from: uniquicity on April 28, 2014, 06:49:06 PM
Just going by what is on Tony's fleetlist
http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/2106.html
I actually know nothing about Arriva ;)
When vehicles are away for refurb at Arriva they allocate them to 'Head Office' which is also used for withdrawn vehicles, so I generally put them on the fleetlist as 'reserve'
Thanks Tony.
Cos Bryn Melyn have took over the 96 (Telford - Ironbridge - Shrewsbury), and they're also operating a new X96, which is exactly the same as the X5, so Arriva have some competition now.
Reported elsewhere 4804 and 4807 are now in service at Wigston.
Quote from: tphi12000 on April 29, 2014, 09:46:24 PM
Reported elsewhere 4804 and 4807 are now in service at Wigston.
That explains why the ALX200 Dart's have suddenly become common on the 10
Quote from: tphi12000 on April 29, 2014, 09:46:24 PM
Reported elsewhere 4804 and 4807 are now in service at Wigston.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55205968@N03/14066743721/
Good to see that people have complained on the arriva fb page about the complete lack of information they provide regarding service changes. Such as the 19. No notices on buses, bus stops no service change info on their website other than to put the new timetables on. But if you didn't know the service was changing you wouldn't think to go looking for a new timetable ! Someone has also complained about the same happening with the 74A.
P.s. nice to see their still wasting deckers on the curtailed 19....
Quote from: bob on May 04, 2014, 03:41:20 PM
Good to see that people have complained on the arriva fb page about the complete lack of information they provide regarding service changes. Such as the 19. No notices on buses, bus stops no service change info on their website other than to put the new timetables on. But if you didn't know the service was changing you wouldn't think to go looking for a new timetable ! Someone has also complained about the same happening with the 74A.
P.s. nice to see their still wasting deckers on the curtailed 19....
To be honest I saw a red Mpd yesterday morning around 9am in Walsall Bus Station at the 19 stop.
Network West Midlands haven't changed the sign on the bus station stand, as it's still going to Wolverhampton.
What happens to the old signs once they've changed the route?
They ought to keep the old ones in storage just in case.
There was a w reg alx400 on there yesterday and also a trident. Those east lancs bodies have got to be one of the ugliest ever. It was the scabby un refurbished one.
According to the Facebook, Arriva is going to have a crack at daytime on the 530 soon in addition to their existing journeys on there.
Modern low floor vehicles are mentioned.
Didn't they say that about the 9, as I've seen Mpds & the odd decker on there lately?
Quote from: Westy on May 05, 2014, 12:07:49 PM
According to the Facebook, Arriva is going to have a crack at daytime on the 530 soon in addition to their existing journeys on there.
Modern low floor vehicles are mentioned.
Didn't they say that about the 9, as I've seen Mpds & the odd decker on there lately?
So it'll be a 51 plate Solo v a 51 plate dart at best...
If they want to be taken seriously and be a decent player in the WM, arriva need to invest in much better vehicles. Ok the london darts are reasonably well refurbished and dont look too bad but theyre 13yrs old. The ex midland ones tbat survive are sheds, despite a few being refurbished. Also 13yrs old at best. The longer darts are complete nails, and the solos well....Also the deckers are all 13yo plus. Obviously nx run buses of this age and older but apart from a few b6s & handful of darts theyre proper heavyweight buses designed to last longer than darts and solos. Theyre also balanced out by nicer more modern buses eg walsalls handful of older vehicles tempered with b7rle's and omnilinks enviros.
Arriva's fleet looks poor in comparison
Found this on vosa PD1078264/8 - RAJINDER BANGA T/A BANGA BUSES, 4 VICARAGE ROAD, ALLSAINTS, WOLVERHAMPTON, WV2 1DT
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Wolverhampton, Bilston Street
Finish Point: Rocketpool, Bilston
Via: Wellington Road, Bilston Bus Station
Service Number: 77
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 23-JUN-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday
As Arriva are running in 530 wonder if this is in retaliation
To protect thete service or a renumbering of 530
Since my 226 service was missing yesterday, i caught the 2245 257, a comfortable and warm ex London Mpd, everything okay apart from one handlebar rattling, soon fixed with an old receipt folded up!
Quote from: Solo1 on May 05, 2014, 01:56:01 PM
Found this on vosa PD1078264/8 - RAJINDER BANGA T/A BANGA BUSES, 4 VICARAGE ROAD, ALLSAINTS, WOLVERHAMPTON, WV2 1DT
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Wolverhampton, Bilston Street
Finish Point: Rocketpool, Bilston
Via: Wellington Road, Bilston Bus Station
Service Number: 77
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 23-JUN-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday
As Arriva are running in 530 wonder if this is in retaliation
To protect thete service or a renumbering of 530
Looks like this service is Banga's response to Arriva. Sounds like it will run along the same route as the 79 and 39 between Wolverhampton and Bilston via the A41 Wellington Road. So by missing out the Rough Hills section of route it should provide quicker journeys.
Quote from: D10 on May 08, 2014, 08:53:04 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on May 05, 2014, 01:56:01 PM
Found this on vosa PD1078264/8 - RAJINDER BANGA T/A BANGA BUSES, 4 VICARAGE ROAD, ALLSAINTS, WOLVERHAMPTON, WV2 1DT
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Wolverhampton, Bilston Street
Finish Point: Rocketpool, Bilston
Via: Wellington Road, Bilston Bus Station
Service Number: 77
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 23-JUN-2014
Other Details: Monday to Friday
As Arriva are running in 530 wonder if this is in retaliation
To protect thete service or a renumbering of 530
Looks like this service is Banga's response to Arriva. Sounds like it will run along the same route as the 79 and 39 between Wolverhampton and Bilston via the A41 Wellington Road. So by missing out the Rough Hills section of route it should provide quicker journeys.
I remember when I was younger and Banga used to operate the 77 against TWMs 530. Is this the same route as the previous version of this route?
Banga old 77 service didn't this run 4 minutes in front of TWM
2110 and 2114 are both back in service repainted/refurbed. Both seen over the weekend
Quote from: Nathan on May 12, 2014, 01:43:24 PM
2110 and 2114 are both back in service repainted/refurbed. Both seen over the weekend
2108 also noted repainted tonight in Lichfield
Quote from: tphi12000 on May 14, 2014, 07:29:08 PM
Quote from: Nathan on May 12, 2014, 01:43:24 PM
2110 and 2114 are both back in service repainted/refurbed. Both seen over the weekend
2108 also noted repainted tonight in Lichfield
Just 2115 & 2550 left red now
Has 2121 been withdrawn then? I saw it in Sutton about 3 wks ago looking a state
Quote from: bob on May 14, 2014, 07:59:51 PM
Has 2121 been withdrawn then? I saw it in Sutton about 3 wks ago looking a state
Not quite. Last day is Saturday 17/5
I should think so too its a shed. That said some of cannocks 51 plate batch are up there with midlands worst ones. Yet theres get resprayed and refurbished but itd seem cannocks fleet never get anything done. Could it be cannocks are in harness so much they never get enough downtime etc to get done?
Also, how many deckers do wednesfield have left now? Can't be many
Quote from: bob on May 14, 2014, 09:17:29 PM
Also, how many deckers do wednesfield have left now? Can't be many
6 , 4 DB250's 4796 4797 4800 4801 , 2 Tridents 4851 4854.
wonder if they will use enviro's on the 530 service & brand them
Quote from: Solo1 on May 15, 2014, 03:35:35 PM
wonder if they will use enviro's on the 530 service & brand them
They would probably brand them then use them on other routes 99% of the time....
Been on the 10 today, asked the driver if it ever gets busy ( enough for a decker) he said no way and also theyre lucky if they get one passenger to codsall lol. Nx seem to cope alright with smart modern b7rles, maybe arriva could put some new-ish single deckers on it instead of clapped out ex london crap and those ex Nottingham sheds? Even something like the Leicester b7rles would look the part and up their image
Makes a change I agree with you Bob. When Midlands bought those OmniCities from Nottingham, they should have been kept for the 10 rather than giving them to D&G. To be fair NX would be better off putting a decker back on there even at night
Does the nx 10 get busier than the arriva one then?
Quote from: bob on May 18, 2014, 04:35:11 PM
Does the nx 10 get busier than the arriva one then?
Certainly! I've been on jam packed B7RLE's at peak times with every seat taken and a fair few people standing.
I remember when it was just Midland/Arriva that operated the Sunday service (subsidised by Centro) but they lost the tender to NX and now Arriva have introduced a Sunday service commercially (Despite hardly any passengers using the Arriva 10on a sunday with only 3 passengers other than me on the 10:50 ex Wolves)
Lol every time ive been on the arriva one in the day its never been busy. Might get busier in the peaks but if we used that as a basis for using deckers most routes would qualify. Incl most of cannocks. I guarantee you a peak 74 /5 would be busier than an arriva 10 :)
I agree that the 74/75 is very busy at peak times. As for the 10, most times of the day there are peaks and troughs but the evening service most nights may as well use the Stafford crew bus (8 seater LDV Convoy)
The 74/5 needs deckers but arriva prefer to waste them on less busy routes. Theyve got some sort of aversion to allocating/operating any at cannock
Quote from: bob on May 18, 2014, 07:14:15 PM
The 74/5 needs deckers but arriva prefer to waste them on less busy routes. Theyve got some sort of aversion to allocating/operating any at cannock
How many were there in the Midland Red North days?
I know to the Olympians & ex Harper vehicles, but was that it?
Other than that, it was the 70's answer to the Mpd, the Leyland National!
In the 80s there were Olympians, the ex harper fleetlines the two ecw delivered new to MR ones as well, lots of DMSs, and midland red Alexander bodied fleetlines as well. There were also quite a lot of Leopards, Marshall dual purpose examples, willowbrook coaches and at least one plaxton HHA-L example weirdly ( considering its age) painted in Midland express livery. And like you say there were plenty of Nationals. Dont forget the bendy buses too. The Stafford service didnt actually seem to be as busy as it is now, think it was hourly and often operated by nationals. Im sure at some point it was jointly run with stafford garage cos I remember seeing podless nationals on there which cannock never had. It was called 838 and went a different way to todays 74. Through clarion way estate rather than the a34
Quote from: bob on May 18, 2014, 11:06:13 PM
In the 80s there were Olympians, the ex harper fleetlines the two ecw delivered new to MR ones as well, lots of DMSs, and midland red Alexander bodied fleetlines as well. There were also quite a lot of Leopards, Marshall dual purpose examples, willowbrook coaches and at least one plaxton HHA-L example weirdly ( considering its age) painted in Midland express livery. And like you say there were plenty of Nationals. Dont forget the bendy buses too. The Stafford service didnt actually seem to be as busy as it is now, think it was hourly and often operated by nationals. Im sure at some point it was jointly run with stafford garage cos I remember seeing podless nationals on there which cannock never had. It was called 838 and went a different way to todays 74. Through clarion way estate rather than the a34
Yeah, remember catching a double decker 838 sometime in the 80's the once to Stafford!
There were a couple of the duple bus bodied tigers at some point as well. Quite a few more routes though then as well. And breakdowns were rare lol
Quote from: Westy on May 18, 2014, 10:56:10 PM
Quote from: bob on May 18, 2014, 07:14:15 PM
The 74/5 needs deckers but arriva prefer to waste them on less busy routes. Theyve got some sort of aversion to allocating/operating any at cannock
How many were there in the Midland Red North days?
I know to the Olympians & ex Harper vehicles, but was that it?
Other than that, it was the 70's answer to the Mpd, the Leyland National!
The big difference with the '70s version of the MPD' was that a National had between 49 & 52 seats (or 48 when Cannock garage fitted Fizzy drinks vending machines in some!) not the 29 of an MPD.
I bet no-one would ever put a vending machine selling Coke Cola in an MPD, the can would explode the way they shake!
Quote from: Tony on May 19, 2014, 09:48:01 AM
Quote from: Westy on May 18, 2014, 10:56:10 PM
Quote from: bob on May 18, 2014, 07:14:15 PM
The 74/5 needs deckers but arriva prefer to waste them on less busy routes. Theyve got some sort of aversion to allocating/operating any at cannock
How many were there in the Midland Red North days?
I know to the Olympians & ex Harper vehicles, but was that it?
Other than that, it was the 70's answer to the Mpd, the Leyland National!
The big difference with the '70s version of the MPD' was that a National had between 49 & 52 seats (or 48 when Cannock garage fitted Fizzy drinks vending machines in some!) not the 29 of an MPD.
I bet no-one would ever put a vending machine selling Coke Cola in an MPD, the can would explode the way they shake!
Vending machine on a bus ?
I remember Cannock had a National broadcasting Beacon Radio on it, which was pretty pointless as you could not hear it once the engine got going!
Quote from: Westy on May 19, 2014, 12:59:48 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 19, 2014, 09:48:01 AM
Quote from: Westy on May 18, 2014, 10:56:10 PM
Quote from: bob on May 18, 2014, 07:14:15 PM
The 74/5 needs deckers but arriva prefer to waste them on less busy routes. Theyve got some sort of aversion to allocating/operating any at cannock
How many were there in the Midland Red North days?
I know to the Olympians & ex Harper vehicles, but was that it?
Other than that, it was the 70's answer to the Mpd, the Leyland National!
The big difference with the '70s version of the MPD' was that a National had between 49 & 52 seats (or 48 when Cannock garage fitted Fizzy drinks vending machines in some!) not the 29 of an MPD.
I bet no-one would ever put a vending machine selling Coke Cola in an MPD, the can would explode the way they shake!
Vending machine on a bus ?
I remember Cannock had a National broadcasting Beacon Radio on it, which was pretty pointless as you could not hear it once the engine got going!
Yes, I think it was 690, I remember travelling on it on the old 156
As noisy and rattly as they could be, nationals were a hell of a lot more reliable than the rubbish cannock run now
Anyone know the route & timetable changes to service 310 from 20th July?
@baker_06 it's the 110 that I believe is going sapphire!
As an aside I didn't expect this
PD0000478/355 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Bilston and Walsall given service number 334 effective from 20-Jul-2014.
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 28, 2014, 04:52:14 PM
@baker_06 it's the 110 that I believe is going sapphire!
As an aside I didn't expect this
PD0000478/355 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Bilston and Walsall given service number 334 effective from 20-Jul-2014.
Thanks for the update
@the trainbasher. It did seem lightly loaded when I went on it a while back...
Ditto! Didn't expect the cancellation of 334's! Sandwell Travel will being having a field day!
The 334, yet another success story. ..whats next for the chop
Quote from: baker_06 on May 28, 2014, 05:12:01 PM
Ditto! Didn't expect the cancellation of 334's! Sandwell Travel will being having a field day!
Why will Sandwell Travel be having a field day? Or do you mean Thandi Executive who also run on the 334 alongside NX.
Sandwell travel run the 333X whixch competes with Arriva service 9.
How many buses are left in the old Midland livery? (With Arriva fleetnames)
Saw 2115 the other day still running around in the livery.
The most recent repaints back are 2104 and 2109
I believe 2121 (GNZ3561) MPD, 2550 (WL03AOL) Solo and 2412 (OUI2376) Dart SLF
Quote from: arrivaaston on June 10, 2014, 08:54:57 PM
I believe 2121 (GNZ3561) MPD, 2550 (WL03AOL) Solo and 2412 (OUI2376) Dart SLF
Yes forgot about 2550. Haven't seen 2121 in a while and i haven't seen 2412 in a fair few months. Are these still in service?
2412 was placed as "reserve" but was reinstated, and I thought the Y/HKE were all now resprayed, the other solol is 2564 X731FPO but I don't think that will see the Arriva liverey as it is the "Sainsburys" bus
Quote from: arrivaaston on June 10, 2014, 09:13:37 PM
2412 was placed as "reserve" but was reinstated, and I thought the Y/HKE were all now resprayed, the other solol is 2564 X731FPO but I don't think that will see the Arriva liverey as it is the "Sainsburys" bus
I think 2115 is the only Y-HKE left now in Red livery.
2157 and 2158 both in use on the 530 today. I can't see why the Mon-Sat daytime 530 doesn't terminate at the Bus Station like it does on Sundays. From my observation the Arriva 530 terminates on Tower St like the Banga equivilent
Has 2160 returned after her brief visit to Cannock last week
here is 2109 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/14426787312/
Quote from: Solo1 on June 15, 2014, 04:44:50 PM
here is 2109 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/14426787312/
Hasn't been refurbed like the other Y-HKE's
Whete is Y382 & Y390 as they are not on the list
Y382HKE is 2125 and Y393HKE got scrapped after an accident as did 2122 W858AGA, solo 2553 YN53ELV is on loan to cannock
Quote from: arrivaaston on June 16, 2014, 02:08:12 PM
Y382HKE is 2125 and Y393HKE got scrapped after an accident as did 2122 W858AGA, solo 2553 YN53ELV is on loan to cannock
2553 hasn't been on loan to Cannock today (according to Arriva contact); 2546 YN53SVT is the second solo on loan to Cannock, both 2544 and 2546 are now Wednesfield buses.
W858AGA was not scrapped after an accident.
Quote from: arrivaaston on June 10, 2014, 09:13:37 PM
2412 was placed as "reserve" but was reinstated, and I thought the Y/HKE were all now resprayed, the other solol is 2564 X731FPO but I don't think that will see the Arriva liverey as it is the "Sainsburys" bus
I believe Sainsburys was repainted shortly after the Arriva take over (obviously back into Sainsburys livery).
Today's general obs:
2104 - 20
2106 - 334
2107 - 10
2108 - 64
2109 - 22
2111 - 530
2112 - 57
2114 - 53
2133 - 22
2147 - 530
2151 - 530
2157 - 224
2158 - 530
2159 - 229
2161 - 530
2218 - 66
2234 - 334
2238 - 10B
2254 - 50
2261 - 53
2288 - 223
2295 - 21
2414 - 334
2553 - 63
4796 - 10
Hope this is of interest
Quote from: andyallen4014 on June 17, 2014, 05:08:06 PM
Today's general obs:
2104 - 20
2106 - 334
2107 - 10
2108 - 64
2109 - 22
2111 - 530
2112 - 57
2114 - 53
2133 - 22
2147 - 530
2151 - 530
2157 - 224
2158 - 530
2159 - 229
2161 - 530
2218 - 66
2234 - 334
2238 - 10B
2254 - 50
2261 - 53
2288 - 223
2295 - 21
2414 - 334
2553 - 63
4796 - 10
Hope this is of interest
4801 is on the 9 in Walsall
Quote from: John on June 17, 2014, 05:15:53 PM
Quote from: andyallen4014 on June 17, 2014, 05:08:06 PM
Today's general obs:
2102 - 57
2104 - 20
2106 - 334
2107 - 10
2108 - 64
2109 - 22
2111 - 530
2112 - 57
2114 - 53
2133 - 22
2147 - 530
2151 - 530
2157 - 224
2158 - 530
2159 - 229
2161 - 530
2218 - 66
2234 - 334
2238 - 10B
2254 - 50
2261 - 53
2288 - 223
2295 - 21
2414 - 334
2553 - 63
4796 - 10
4801 - 9
Hope this is of interest
4801 is on the 9 in Walsall
@andyallen4014 @JohnThe above list has been added to with John's addition and an addition of my own.
2106 is on the 70 this evening saw in Bloxwich
When are 2544/6 due to start working from Wednesfield. 2544 was on the 68 today without a fare box. Will these be fitted upon arrival at Wednesfield.
Reason i ask is because i witnessed a driver take the fare (Like other Arriva areas without an Exact Fare policy) from a passenger instead of the passenger putting the money into the chute.
One of the ex Wardles Solo's was on the 57 today with a farebox fitted
Quote from: Nathan on June 18, 2014, 09:34:21 PM
When are 2544/6 due to start working from Wednesfield. 2544 was on the 68 today without a fare box. Will these be fitted upon arrival at Wednesfield.
Reason i ask is because i witnessed a driver take the fare (Like other Arriva areas without an Exact Fare policy) from a passenger instead of the passenger putting the money into the chute.
Well of course you would? Cannock routes dont operate an exact fare policy
We have 2544/2546 at cannock, I have been told from a friemd that the solos are gonna be long term at cannock.......
Is it same bloke who told ypu 3609 had gone lol...
Noooo lol
Quote from: Ashley on June 18, 2014, 10:23:23 PM
One of the ex Wardles Solo's was on the 57 today with a farebox fitted
One of the buses on the 57 yesterday was 2563 which is already at Wednesfield. Maybe you saw that one as 2544/6 still appear to be at CK?
Quote from: Bob on June 18, 2014, 10:53:26 PM
Quote from: Nathan on June 18, 2014, 09:34:21 PM
When are 2544/6 due to start working from Wednesfield. 2544 was on the 68 today without a fare box. Will these be fitted upon arrival at Wednesfield.
Reason i ask is because i witnessed a driver take the fare (Like other Arriva areas without an Exact Fare policy) from a passenger instead of the passenger putting the money into the chute.
Well of course you would? Cannock routes dont operate an exact fare policy
No i meant i witnessed a Wednesfield driver take a cash fare! I am aware CK don't operate an exact fare policy ::)
2113 is the latest MPD back in service repainted into Arriva Aquamarine livery/retrimmed into Arriva moquette
Wonder if the new rocket pool service will be a success? Or will it fail like all their other efforts in the west midlands
Quote from: Bob on June 19, 2014, 06:35:03 PM
Wonder if the new rocket pool service will be a success? Or will it fail like all their other efforts in the west midlands
They don't seem to be doing too bad. I did see a half full MPD this afternoon however there was a Banga Solo just infront. I still think having a combined 7-8 minute frequency on the 530 is quite excessive (15 minutes each).
Quote from: Nathan on June 19, 2014, 06:40:14 PM
Quote from: Bob on June 19, 2014, 06:35:03 PM
Wonder if the new rocket pool service will be a success? Or will it fail like all their other efforts in the west midlands
They don't seem to be doing too bad. I did see a half full MPD this afternoon however there was a Banga Solo just infront. I still think having a combined 7-8 minute frequency on the 530 is quite excessive (15 minutes each).
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Shame they are withdrawing from the 334.
It could have been another Walsall to Wolverhampton route albeit changing at Bilston.
What are their MPDs half full with though? Are we talking cash payers or OAPs or Centro card holders, or even Travelcard holders paying the supplement which they offer?
And a half full crappy mpd is only about 15 passengers lol. That said as pants as they are arrivas darts must look like luxury compared to banga
Quote from: Bob on June 19, 2014, 08:21:14 PM
And a half full crappy mpd is only about 15 passengers lol. That said as pants as they are arrivas darts must look like luxury compared to banga
They're really smart though the Arriva darts but I don't think Banga are bad at all... The buses are becoming low-floor and gaining a pretty distinctive and smart livery with a logo.
The darts might look ok but theyre still 13 yr old plus knackered buses with a re trim that werent designed for anything more than and arent really up to anything other than local circulars
Quote from: Bob on June 19, 2014, 08:26:42 PM
The darts might look ok but theyre still 13 yr old plus knackered buses with a re trim that werent designed for anything more than and arent really up to anything other than local circulars
Come on! Most have had more than a retrim-new floor, new/repainted handrails-many of them look pretty new inside. When Arriva do refurbish, they tend to do it to a very high standard, especially on ex London vehicles. The issue is, certainly in the North East, they simply don't refurbish vehicles enough-why are there still Lowlanders and ALX400's that have never had any refurb in their entire lives when there are 3/4 year old buses being Sapphired that are having a massive amount of work done?
Saying that, they're really improving things across the board.
Darts seem to be able to last more than 13 years tbf... I'd think 16/17 would be the expected life of a bus, with a refurb, potentially more.
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 19, 2014, 08:14:03 PM
What are their MPDs half full with though? Are we talking cash payers or OAPs or Centro card holders, or even Travelcard holders paying the supplement which they offer?
Didn't seem to be any pensioners aboard the one i saw this afternoon. As i said there is a 7-8 minute frewuency on the route now which is definetley not needed.
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 19, 2014, 08:33:53 PM
Quote from: Bob on June 19, 2014, 08:26:42 PM
The darts might look ok but theyre still 13 yr old plus knackered buses with a re trim that werent designed for anything more than and arent really up to anything other than local circulars
Come on! Most have had more than a retrim-new floor, new/repainted handrails-many of them look pretty new inside. When Arriva do refurbish, they tend to do it to a very high standard, especially on ex London vehicles. The issue is, certainly in the North East, they simply don't refurbish vehicles enough-why are there still Lowlanders and ALX400's that have never had any refurb in their entire lives when there are 3/4 year old buses being Sapphired that are having a massive amount of work done?
Saying that, they're really improving things across the board.
Darts seem to be able to last more than 13 years tbf... I'd think 16/17 would be the expected life of a bus, with a refurb, potentially more.
That's it! Just carry on slagging Arriva off. Also nathan stop talking to me like im a child. I thought what i saw was something worth mentioning
Ashley, can you please highlight where Nathan spoke to you like a child? Because I can't see anything, otherwise I think you owe him an apology for your outburst!
If your not happy with something that has been posted, report it & it will be dealt with by the moderators if deemed neccessary, Winston
I thought I was pretty complimentary about Arriva-their Midlands op is improving in quality...
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 19, 2014, 09:23:12 PM
I thought I was pretty complimentary about Arriva-their Midlands op is improving in quality...
Tbh i don't see any problem with the Arriva darts. There are one or two that sound dodgy but they look better than WN's Mercs, B6's and Spectra's which are a few years older...
And i say fair play to Arriva for competing commercially. They haven't been operating on the daytime service for long and there were about 13-15 passengers (Alighting) and there was a Banga bus just infront and you have to bear in mind Banga have been the only operator on there for some years so you have to give it chance :)
Cannocks darts, apart from one 03 plate have NEVER been refurbished, and are minging and threadbare, the same goes for ALL of the route 1 buses, and some of the volvo alx300 volvos, nx are refurbishing 07/57 plate enviros and even newer omnilinks...also has anyone ever seen cadet BU03 HRK? Its interior is so bad its far worse than any nx bus ive ever seen. So, improvement across the board, not too sure about that. And yea while they continue to be crap ill carry on slating cheers :)
Quote from: Bob on June 19, 2014, 09:40:39 PM
Cannocks darts, apart from one 03 plate have NEVER been refurbished, and are minging and threadbare, the same goes for ALL of the route 1 buses, and some of the volvo alx300 volvos, nx are refurbishing 07/57 plate enviros and even newer omnilinks...also has anyone ever seen cadet BU03 HRK? Its interior is so bad its far worse than any nx bus ive ever seen. So, improvement across the board, not too sure about that. And yea while they continue to be crap ill carry on slating cheers :)
Bob you'd love Arriva North East-in the past week, I've been on two interurban services. One was run, on the fast A66 by a S...KHN dart and another was run by a euro2 MPD this time on the motorway :P
Arriva North East have a pretty smart fleet-fair few pulsars and new deckers just a few prestiges really that let them down.
Quote from: Bob on June 19, 2014, 08:26:42 PM
The darts might look ok but theyre still 13 yr old plus knackered buses with a re trim that werent designed for anything more than and arent really up to anything other than local circulars
Only 13 years old??? First Kernow were still using P & R-reg Dart SLF's which are 17/18 years old around Helston/Penzance today
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 19, 2014, 09:58:55 PM
Quote from: Bob on June 19, 2014, 09:40:39 PM
Cannocks darts, apart from one 03 plate have NEVER been refurbished, and are minging and threadbare, the same goes for ALL of the route 1 buses, and some of the volvo alx300 volvos, nx are refurbishing 07/57 plate enviros and even newer omnilinks...also has anyone ever seen cadet BU03 HRK? Its interior is so bad its far worse than any nx bus ive ever seen. So, improvement across the board, not too sure about that. And yea while they continue to be crap ill carry on slating cheers :)
Bob you'd love Arriva North East-in the past week, I've been on two interurban services. One was run, on the fast A66 by a S...KHN dart and another was run by a euro2 MPD this time on the motorway :P
Cannock ran an mpd on the X31 once lol can you imagine? Mind you on the m6 it probably wouldn't have to do more than about 10mph. I wonder if the X31 had gone down the a34 would it still be running today lol
Arriva North East have a pretty smart fleet-fair few pulsars and new deckers just a few prestiges really that let them down.
Quote from: Bob on June 19, 2014, 11:05:41 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 19, 2014, 09:58:55 PM
Quote from: Bob on June 19, 2014, 09:40:39 PM
Cannocks darts, apart from one 03 plate have NEVER been refurbished, and are minging and threadbare, the same goes for ALL of the route 1 buses, and some of the volvo alx300 volvos, nx are refurbishing 07/57 plate enviros and even newer omnilinks...also has anyone ever seen cadet BU03 HRK? Its interior is so bad its far worse than any nx bus ive ever seen. So, improvement across the board, not too sure about that. And yea while they continue to be crap ill carry on slating cheers :)
Bob you'd love Arriva North East-in the past week, I've been on two interurban services. One was run, on the fast A66 by a S...KHN dart and another was run by a euro2 MPD this time on the motorway :P
Cannock ran an mpd on the X31 once lol can you imagine? Mind you on the m6 it probably wouldn't have to do more than about 10mph. I wonder if the X31 had gone down the a34 would it still be running today lol
Arriva North East have a pretty smart fleet-fair few pulsars and new deckers just a few prestiges really that let them down.
You'd be surprised Bob-both the darts absolutely flew, as do the pulsar 2's which are Sapphire spec.
Are sapphire spec pulsars still as horrifically noisy as standard ones? Or do they have better soundproofing etc?
Quote from: Bob on June 19, 2014, 11:54:54 PM
Are sapphire spec pulsars still as horrifically noisy as standard ones? Or do they have better soundproofing etc?
Nope, pretty quiet tbh. I've grown to quite like them
@Bob! They are quieter than say the 61 batch and the retarders are also smoother on them but I put this down to advancement over time as opposed to a special spec/soundproofing on them, as the 61 plate ones are better than the 09 ones.
You wouldn't believe how fast they are-on a late journey last night, one absolutely flew.
The 51 plate MPD's were repainted and retrimmed back in 2007 when the "chaselinx" brand came about, 3608/10 are proberbly the worse 2 volvos left in service at cannock and look how old and ancient the b10's are, the darts do look more modern IMO and just need some TLC, if the Y/HKE have been refurbed/retrimmed and new floors then there's hope for the 5 BU51***
7 years ago? Well theyve wore out quick then! Maybe its cos they use barely any material on the horrid urban 90 seats! I dont think there's much hope for them theyre constantly breaking down and havent been maintained well and are vile to travel longer distances on! Look at the one they put on the staffords a few weeks ago it couldn't even get there and back without overheating & giving up anyway according to you theyre going arent they? ???
They are going yes but the point I was getting at is the Y/HKE have the urban90 seats and have been refurbed quite nice, the BU51 could look the same if they were cared for and looked after properly......
310 will only run along the old 327 section of route. The merry hill to Wednesbury bit is going according to Centro site
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 20, 2014, 12:47:43 PM
310 will only run along the old 327 section of route. The merry hill to Wednesbury bit is going according to Centro site
Yet another success :-p Maybe they oughta give up the ghost lol
Quote from: Bob on June 20, 2014, 03:37:00 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 20, 2014, 12:47:43 PM
310 will only run along the old 327 section of route. The merry hill to Wednesbury bit is going according to Centro site
Yet another success :-p Maybe they oughta give up the ghost lol
The old 327 bit is the tendered section whereas the 610 and the Dudley - Merry Hill 'new' bits are commercial so that must be the reason for what has been left.
Quote from: arrivaaston on June 20, 2014, 10:13:24 AM
They are going yes but the point I was getting at is the Y/HKE have the urban90 seats and have been refurbed quite nice, the BU51 could look the same if they were cared for and looked after properly......
Cannock are very poor at refurbs compared with the other garages. The route 1 buses are in a state ( will they even refurbish them once tgey come off it?) And obviously all the darts as said before are minging bar sn03 lgc and that arrived already done. The stafford pulsars seats while not threadbare are filthy and stink. Heavy use probs with the staffords. They could do with a retrim and definitely a respray. Cannocks fleet has been really badly neglected compared with tamworth telford Shrewsbury wednesfield with repaints refurbs and maintenence
Quote from: andyallen4014 on June 20, 2014, 03:41:48 PM
Quote from: Bob on June 20, 2014, 03:37:00 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 20, 2014, 12:47:43 PM
310 will only run along the old 327 section of route. The merry hill to Wednesbury bit is going according to Centro site
Yet another success :-p Maybe they oughta give up the ghost lol
The old 327 bit is the tendered section whereas the 610 and the Dudley - Merry Hill 'new' bits are commercial so that must be the reason for what has been left.
Surely it's got to get to a point where operating out of Wednesfield won't be viable?
Quote from: Westy on June 20, 2014, 05:11:08 PM
Quote from: andyallen4014 on June 20, 2014, 03:41:48 PM
Quote from: Bob on June 20, 2014, 03:37:00 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 20, 2014, 12:47:43 PM
310 will only run along the old 327 section of route. The merry hill to Wednesbury bit is going according to Centro site
Yet another success :-p Maybe they oughta give up the ghost lol
The old 327 bit is the tendered section whereas the 610 and the Dudley - Merry Hill 'new' bits are commercial so that must be the reason for what has been left.
Surely it's got to get to a point where operating out of Wednesfield won't be viable?
It does make you wonder what the future will hold for Arriva's West Midland operation, it doesn't exactly seem to be doing too well
I wonder why that is?
Quote from: Bob on June 20, 2014, 09:56:21 PM
I wonder why that is?
Too much focus on operating Centro contracts & few successful commercial services
Lol I was being sarcastic I didnt mean that in its literal implication :)). As I said commercial services wise itll just be as naff as chase takeover. Poss with exception of the 10
Quote from: Bob on June 20, 2014, 10:09:39 PM
Lol I was being sarcastic I didnt mean that in its literal implication :)). As I said commercial services wise itll just be as naff as chase takeover. Poss with exception of the 10
I know...
I was going to ask you to fill us in without using crap / Dart / MPD / BU51--- etc in your reply :P
Quote from: Winston on June 20, 2014, 10:13:10 PM
Quote from: Bob on June 20, 2014, 10:09:39 PM
Lol I was being sarcastic I didnt mean that in its literal implication :)). As I said commercial services wise itll just be as naff as chase takeover. Poss with exception of the 10
I know...
I was going to ask you to fill us in without using crap / Dart / MPD / BU51--- etc in your reply :P
....threadbare / interurban / allocating / lightweight / 13 years / lol.......etc......
And they've got to debrand those Mpds too!
Quote from: andyallen4014 on June 20, 2014, 03:41:48 PM
Quote from: Bob on June 20, 2014, 03:37:00 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 20, 2014, 12:47:43 PM
310 will only run along the old 327 section of route. The merry hill to Wednesbury bit is going according to Centro site
Yet another success :-p Maybe they oughta give up the ghost lol
The old 327 bit is the tendered section whereas the 610 and the Dudley - Merry Hill 'new' bits are commercial so that must be the reason for what has been left.
Actually thought the 610 was tendered as well, any guesses what will become of the section around Great Bridge then?
Any one seen 2115 today
Quote from: Kevin on June 21, 2014, 09:17:10 AM
Quote from: andyallen4014 on June 20, 2014, 03:41:48 PM
Quote from: Bob on June 20, 2014, 03:37:00 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 20, 2014, 12:47:43 PM
310 will only run along the old 327 section of route. The merry hill to Wednesbury bit is going according to Centro site
Yet another success :-p Maybe they oughta give up the ghost lol
The old 327 bit is the tendered section whereas the 610 and the Dudley - Merry Hill 'new' bits are commercial so that must be the reason for what has been left.
Actually thought the 610 was tendered as well, any guesses what will become of the section around Great Bridge then?
610 was commercial, however there is a change to the tendered 22 route which pulls in some of the area that the wouldn't otherwise be served
Quote from: andyallen4014 on June 22, 2014, 07:24:02 AM
Quote from: Kevin on June 21, 2014, 09:17:10 AM
Quote from: andyallen4014 on June 20, 2014, 03:41:48 PM
Quote from: Bob on June 20, 2014, 03:37:00 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 20, 2014, 12:47:43 PM
310 will only run along the old 327 section of route. The merry hill to Wednesbury bit is going according to Centro site
Yet another success :-p Maybe they oughta give up the ghost lol
The old 327 bit is the tendered section whereas the 610 and the Dudley - Merry Hill 'new' bits are commercial so that must be the reason for what has been left.
Actually thought the 610 was tendered as well, any guesses what will become of the section around Great Bridge then?
610 was commercial, however there is a change to the tendered 22 route which pulls in some of the area that the wouldn't otherwise be served
Wasn't the section between Wednesbury & Great Bridge tendered at some point in the past?
West Midlands Travel did operate a version of the 310 at deregulation in 1986, which ran Walsall to Dudley via GB.
PD0000478/331 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Rocket Pool and New Cross Hospital given service number 531 effective from 21-Jul-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD0000478/388 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Wolverhampton Buss Station and Olbury Interchange given service number 22 effective from 21-Jul-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
I'm surprised the 22 still operates! I never usually see any passengers (If i do there are 1 or 2 passengers). It used to run Wolverhampton to Princes End then from Wolverhampton-Russells Hall. Then they changed it to run to Oldbury ??? I don't see the need of a bus from Wolverhampton-Oldbury myself
If it was a commercial route it'd be gone by now. Apparently it's being changed to cover parts of the 310 in Tipton
Quote from: Nathan on June 23, 2014, 07:05:53 PM
I'm surprised the 22 still operates! I never usually see any passengers (If i do there are 1 or 2 passengers). It used to run Wolverhampton to Princes End then from Wolverhampton-Russells Hall. Then they changed it to run to Oldbury ??? I don't see the need of a bus from Wolverhampton-Oldbury myself
Believe it or not the 22 does get more than one or two passengers. Not many people would travel end to end but theres some demand at the Oldbury end. Just one persons observations alone doesn't define the reality.
Enough to make it turn a profit? Doubtful
Why is profit the most important word in peoples minds when it comes to buses. Cover the costs fair enough but shouldn't the social requirement for public transport be top of the agenda, not just money money money bags for the top dogs. People say money talks, no, too many people talk in money. So I think people should quit getting brave behind a keyboard / keypad slating Arriva. I guarantee you'd hate it if the shoe was on the other foot and you were criticised daily face to face or on the interweb for how you do your jobs.
Quote from: Ashley on June 23, 2014, 10:20:36 PM
Why is profit the most important word in peoples minds when it comes to buses. Cover the costs fair enough but shouldn't the social requirement for public transport be top of the agenda, not just money money money bags for the top dogs. People say money talks, no, too many people talk in money. So I think people should quit getting brave behind a keyboard / keypad slating Arriva. I guarantee you'd hate it if the shoe was on the other foot and you were criticised daily face to face or on the interweb for how you do your jobs.
Personally I think we should have more tendered routes serving communities.
Also Ashley I do get criticism about my job on forums especially forums about parking!
Quote from: Ashley on June 23, 2014, 10:20:36 PM
Why is profit the most important word in peoples minds when it comes to buses. Cover the costs fair enough but shouldn't the social requirement for public transport be top of the agenda, not just money money money bags for the top dogs. People say money talks, no, too many people talk in money. So I think people should quit getting brave behind a keyboard / keypad slating Arriva. I guarantee you'd hate it if the shoe was on the other foot and you were criticised daily face to face or on the interweb for how you do your jobs.
Erm what so you dont think Arriva make a profit from operating tendered services? ? Do you think they do them for charitable reasons?
Jesus
More tendered services??!!
Which communities are currently unserved in the WM by services or ring and ride?
Operators should surely focus on busy routes with growth and profit potential like GNE and not let themselves be dragged down by no-hopers.
Often a far better level of public transport provision can be provided through simplicity and simplification.
Often tendered services designed by committes to serve everyone end up satisfying few.
As Peter Huntley said a while back the TAS in many instances produced far better networks with far less supported services. Worcestershire should be set to gain a far better level of public transport than currently.
Realistically we need to be better using taxpayers' money than on poorly designed services-in order to balance the books as a country.
Profit by the way isn't some sort of ugly word-it follows from a customer and growth focussed business that is socially aware and responsible and provides good quality service.
Have 2544/6 transfered over to Wednesfield yet?
According to the app, there's a 23 running around 15 mins late.
Anyone know Whete 2113 2115 2125 & 2234,are in service today
2550 is now repainted/refurbished leaving 2115 as the only bus left in the Red 'Midland' livery
2115 gone to Hinckley
Quote from: leepenfold30 on July 02, 2014, 10:02:07 PM
2115 gone to Hinckley
Cheers
@leepenfold30 :) That leaves 2414 left in Midland livery (Forgot about this one). But i haven't seen it in a long time so is it still in passenger service?
Quote from: Nathan on July 02, 2014, 10:07:09 PM
Quote from: leepenfold30 on July 02, 2014, 10:02:07 PM
2115 gone to Hinckley
Cheers @leepenfold30 :) That leaves 2414 left in Midland livery (Forgot about this one). But i haven't seen it in a long time so is it still in passenger service?
2414 has been in Arriva livery for a while now Nathan (A year at least)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/14042585977
Apologies
@John i meant 2412 :) I've rode 2414 plenty of times to know its in Arriva livery ;)
Quote from: Nathan on July 02, 2014, 10:16:30 PM
Apologies @John i meant 2412 :) I've rode 2414 plenty of times to know its in Arriva livery ;)
I've got 2412 as been in reserve from March, so it doesn't look like it is out and about
Quote from: John on July 02, 2014, 10:21:34 PM
Quote from: Nathan on July 02, 2014, 10:16:30 PM
Apologies @John i meant 2412 :) I've rode 2414 plenty of times to know its in Arriva livery ;)
I've got 2412 as been in reserve from March, so it doesn't look like it is out and about
I'm sure it was posted not long back as being on the 334 but haven't seen it since then
Solo 2546 noted on M54 this morning Junct 1 possibly heading to Wednesfield following its loan at Telford.
Wednesfield recruiting again, according to Facebook.
Will there be any routes to work on the future?
I know...yet every time they launch a new route it fails miserably and gets withdrawn.
Quote from: Bob on July 05, 2014, 11:33:24 AM
I know...yet every time they launch a new route it fails miserably and gets withdrawn.
They may just be recruiting to replace leavers?
Yea potentially. A garage built on about 80 percent tendered services and virtually zero commercial wouldn't really constitute secure employment would it lol
Any seen y382 or the 3 new solos that have arrived
at wedsfield
Quote from: Bob on July 05, 2014, 12:06:20 PM
Yea potentially. A garage built on about 80 percent tendered services and virtually zero commercial wouldn't really constitute secure employment would it lol
Definitely not with WMSNT rapidly gobbling up the majority of Centro area tenders
Imagine if wednesfield had to run on commercial lines and was charged to run its operations at a profit. ....lmaoooo
Quote from: Bob on July 05, 2014, 12:26:28 PM
Imagine if wednesfield had to run on commercial lines and was charged to run its operations at a profit. ....lmaoooo
As I said on Facebook, if NX bought the Cannock operations, they'd probably shut it & run the services from Walsall & Wolves.
Where that would leave Wednesfield & probably Stafford is anyone's guess.
(That gives me an idea for a What If! How would you reorganise the Cannock operations to fit with NX Walsall & Wolves? Will have to have a think!)
That was the plan when they were gona buy it before
Is 2619 only on loan from Stafford or transferred? On the 334 today
Quote from: John on July 05, 2014, 09:23:07 PM
Is 2619 only on loan from Stafford or transferred? On the 334 today
It has been here a few weeks now so i am not sure. I say transfer some over to Wednesfield to replace some smaller vehicles
Quote from: Bob on July 05, 2014, 09:14:59 PM
That was the plan when they were gona buy it before
Obviously that was pre-Wednesfield as well
Quote from: Westy on July 05, 2014, 08:59:13 PM
Quote from: Bob on July 05, 2014, 12:26:28 PM
Imagine if wednesfield had to run on commercial lines and was charged to run its operations at a profit. ....lmaoooo
As I said on Facebook, if NX bought the Cannock operations, they'd probably shut it & run the services from Walsall & Wolves.
Where that would leave Wednesfield & probably Stafford is anyone's guess.
(That gives me an idea for a What If! How would you reorganise the Cannock operations to fit with NX Walsall & Wolves? Will have to have a think!)
I wouldn't waist your grey matter, seeing as it's a total fantasy.
Shortly before Arriva bought Chase they were in discussion with Arriva about buying the cannock operation. ...
Quote from: andy on July 06, 2014, 10:44:22 AM
Quote from: Westy on July 05, 2014, 08:59:13 PM
Quote from: Bob on July 05, 2014, 12:26:28 PM
Imagine if wednesfield had to run on commercial lines and was charged to run its operations at a profit. ....lmaoooo
As I said on Facebook, if NX bought the Cannock operations, they'd probably shut it & run the services from Walsall & Wolves.
Where that would leave Wednesfield & probably Stafford is anyone's guess.
(That gives me an idea for a What If! How would you reorganise the Cannock operations to fit with NX Walsall & Wolves? Will have to have a think!)
I wouldn't waist your grey matter, seeing as it's a total fantasy.
Fantasy now, but came very close in Sept 2006. The deal must have collapsed at the last minute:
--- In staffordshireandmerseysidebuses@yahoogroups.com, Jack Grove<j4ckg@...> wrote:
Sorry, ignore my last posting regarding TWM Cannock. Here's what will officially happen, as granted by David Miller of TWM.
"no date yet, I think what is actually happening is TWM are buying the routes & the staff but not the garage or buses, so it will
happen when the new single deck B7s arrive which will create plenty of spare buses like this
19 new B7s to Walsall
18 B10Bs Walsall to Perry Barr to put on 28 route
Metros released from PB to go to Wolverhampton to release single decks for Cannock
19 new B7 to AG
Geminis currently on 37 route go to YW to release Lynx to Walsall
8 Lynx form YW + 12 withdrawn ones from Miller Street to Walsall
for operating "Brownhills" group of services to release B6s for
Cannock
Non-off this is definate facts yet, but that is the likely
combination"
Thanks,
Jack Grove.
Quote from: Winston on July 06, 2014, 11:05:28 AM
Quote from: andy on July 06, 2014, 10:44:22 AM
Quote from: Westy on July 05, 2014, 08:59:13 PM
Quote from: Bob on July 05, 2014, 12:26:28 PM
Imagine if wednesfield had to run on commercial lines and was charged to run its operations at a profit. ....lmaoooo
As I said on Facebook, if NX bought the Cannock operations, they'd probably shut it & run the services from Walsall & Wolves.
Where that would leave Wednesfield & probably Stafford is anyone's guess.
(That gives me an idea for a What If! How would you reorganise the Cannock operations to fit with NX Walsall & Wolves? Will have to have a think!)
I wouldn't waist your grey matter, seeing as it's a total fantasy.
Fantasy now, but came very close in Sept 2006. The deal must have collapsed at the last minute:
--- In staffordshireandmerseysidebuses@yahoogroups.com, Jack Grove<j4ckg@...> wrote:
Sorry, ignore my last posting regarding TWM Cannock. Here's what will officially happen, as granted by David Miller of TWM.
"no date yet, I think what is actually happening is TWM are buying the routes & the staff but not the garage or buses, so it will
happen when the new single deck B7s arrive which will create plenty of spare buses like this
19 new B7s to Walsall
18 B10Bs Walsall to Perry Barr to put on 28 route
Metros released from PB to go to Wolverhampton to release single decks for Cannock
19 new B7 to AG
Geminis currently on 37 route go to YW to release Lynx to Walsall
8 Lynx form YW + 12 withdrawn ones from Miller Street to Walsall
for operating "Brownhills" group of services to release B6s for
Cannock
Non-off this is definate facts yet, but that is the likely
combination"
Thanks,
Jack Grove.
Oh I know there was talk then, I was working for Arriva at the time. But Arriva are in a very different place now and I would put my house on no part of Arriva ever passing to NX, or anyone else for that matter. I think the Scottish disposal was the last you will see of its type,
Were they as s##t then as they are now? Did u see what happened friday? Buses broken down on an hourly service in cannock bus station and no replacement sent. Then broken down bus on the 60 again with no spare bus. Leading to a missing bus on the 825, a busy route with pulsars, and the next bus on said route ( which had to obviously take twice as many passengers) was a 36 seat midibus? Everyone at the bus stop were saying how poor arrivas service is,bbuses missing, with no explanation, broken down etc. Its ok on high frequency stuff like nx 51/529 etc cos there'll be another along in a few mins but on irregular services like a lot of cannocks. ...
And I know im gonna get slated for Slagging arriva cannock off cos they're fantastic wonderful etc but cmon guys the above is inexcusable?
Quote from: andy on July 06, 2014, 11:26:28 AM
Oh I know there was talk then, I was working for Arriva at the time. But Arriva are in a very different place now and I would put my house on no part of Arriva ever passing to NX, or anyone else for that matter. I think the Scottish disposal was the last you will see of its type,
Andy, I can't see Arriva making any more disposals. But I can't really see what Arriva want with Wednesfield either, they haven't really done anything of any significance. It is now going to be even harder to make tendered routes pay the next time round when they have to bid against WMSNT who are ever expanding........
I can't help but feel that Arriva's new West Midlands op was part of a larger jigsaw puzzle which is still missing its largest piece i.e. Diamond :-\
Quote from: Bob on July 06, 2014, 11:36:56 AM
Were they as s##t then as they are now? Did u see what happened friday? Buses broken down on an hourly service in cannock bus station and no replacement sent. Then broken down bus on the 60 again with no spare bus. Leading to a missing bus on the 825, a busy route with pulsars, and the next bus on said route ( which had to obviously take twice as many passengers) was a 36 seat midibus? Everyone at the bus stop were saying how poor arrivas service is,bbuses missing, with no explanation, broken down etc. Its ok on high frequency stuff like nx 51/529 etc cos there'll be another along in a few mins but on irregular services like a lot of cannocks. ...
Of course I'm aware. How could I not be with your running commentaries on an hourly basis? The fact is that Arriva weren't perfect back then and lost a lot of mileage at many depots. They invested a lot of money at those depots to rectify it. Cannock didn't get much because at one point it was up for disposal as everybody said, leaving it lagging behind the others.
However as I've said before, you also need to consider Staffs CC in all of this. It is no coincidence that it is Stafford and Cannock that have been neglected the most across the operation. This is not unrelated to the fact that Staffs CC are one of the most disinterested and short sighted local authorities in the country, with practically zero strategy when it comes to public transport. They also have a lousy concessionary scheme.
Tamworth gets investment despite being in Staffs due to having Warwickshire and Centro to chip in.
Why do you think Arriva have looked towards the West Mids and Black Country rather than expand services in Cannock and surrounds?
Arriva will invest in Cannock and Stafford where there is a return but not where there isn't.
One area I will agree with you though is its treatment of the 825 whic is a scandal. This used to be one of the operation's most profitable routes. Arriva should give it back to Stafford as a single working with some decent buses and if necessary take something else off them until Stafford has more capacity.
Interworking at this level rarely works well in my experience.
I take your point totally about staffs cc. They arent brilliant not by a long shot. Is that why cannock still has loads of old olive green 70s bus shelters when everywhere else doesnt aha? Lichfield bus stn still has same stands etc as it had in the early 80s! Lol. Funnily enough tho back in 2005/6 I remember cannock were running b10ms, citybuses lynxes and old olympians as well as some step darts and obviously the mpds. I don't remember the breakdown levelsbbeing anywhere near as bad though
Quote from: Winston on July 06, 2014, 11:05:28 AM
Quote from: andy on July 06, 2014, 10:44:22 AM
Quote from: Westy on July 05, 2014, 08:59:13 PM
Quote from: Bob on July 05, 2014, 12:26:28 PM
Imagine if wednesfield had to run on commercial lines and was charged to run its operations at a profit. ....lmaoooo
As I said on Facebook, if NX bought the Cannock operations, they'd probably shut it & run the services from Walsall & Wolves.
Where that would leave Wednesfield & probably Stafford is anyone's guess.
(That gives me an idea for a What If! How would you reorganise the Cannock operations to fit with NX Walsall & Wolves? Will have to have a think!)
I wouldn't waist your grey matter, seeing as it's a total fantasy.
Fantasy now, but came very close in Sept 2006. The deal must have collapsed at the last minute:
--- In staffordshireandmerseysidebuses@yahoogroups.com, Jack Grove<j4ckg@...> wrote:
Sorry, ignore my last posting regarding TWM Cannock. Here's what will officially happen, as granted by David Miller of TWM.
"no date yet, I think what is actually happening is TWM are buying the routes & the staff but not the garage or buses, so it will
happen when the new single deck B7s arrive which will create plenty of spare buses like this
19 new B7s to Walsall
18 B10Bs Walsall to Perry Barr to put on 28 route
Metros released from PB to go to Wolverhampton to release single decks for Cannock
19 new B7 to AG
Geminis currently on 37 route go to YW to release Lynx to Walsall
8 Lynx form YW + 12 withdrawn ones from Miller Street to Walsall
for operating "Brownhills" group of services to release B6s for
Cannock
Non-off this is definate facts yet, but that is the likely
combination"
Thanks,
Jack Grove.
So would certain types of TWM/NX vehicles lasted a bit longer before withdrawal, the Metros & Lynxs?
Wonder if they would've looked at the Cannock route network?
Maybe more routes running to & from Walsall & Wolves?
Doubt there would of been much call for extras. They miggt have renumbered them into the 3xx series poss 5xx for the wolves ones? Maybe a cannock area ticket?
If Perry Barr was involved, you might have got an alternative Cannock to Birmingham route(the old 156 route), to go with then existing Brownhills/Aldridge to Birmingham corridor. (Didn't PB operate that corridor at that point in time?)
Very true. They could have linked it up with the 32/3
Quote from: Bob on July 06, 2014, 12:11:38 PM
I take your point totally about staffs cc. They arent brilliant not by a long shot. Is that why cannock still has loads of old olive green 70s bus shelters when everywhere else doesnt aha? Lichfield bus stn still has same stands etc as it had in the early 80s! Lol. Funnily enough tho back in 2005/6 I remember cannock were running b10ms, citybuses lynxes and old olympians as well as some step darts and obviously the mpds. I don't remember the breakdown levelsbbeing anywhere near as bad though
Cannock Chase District Council maintain bus shelters in Cannock. Lichfield Bus Station is the responsibility of Lichfield District Council. Staffs CC have no responsibility for bus shelters, it is either district councils or parish councils who are responsible for shelters in Staffs.
Ah fair play. I always thought it was staffs cos of all the bis stops saying staffs county council on them :)
2619 still at Wednesfield on the 334 today. Is this a permanent transfer?
2544 is on the 53
And 2546 is on the 57
It appears there is another Solo that has joined Wednesfield Garage in the shape of 2541(IIG 3753) On the 63/4/5 today
Walsall-Lichfield branded 2152 is on the 224
And the Sainsburys livered 2564 is sat infront of me at Bilston on the 229
2152 is on the nightly Dudley to Wolverhampton circuit.
Arriva want drivers for Wednesfield
http://www.route-one.net/jobs/driving/arriva-midlands-bus-drivers/
I went on an absolutely knackered MPD on the 217 today. Without wishing to sound like Bob, and I actually like MPDs generally, it had no seats behind the cab and rattled and shook like mad. I also counted the different types of moquette-7 on one bus, including some in a horrible black mesh type material :P Such a contrast to the LJ51's.
Try Bu51kwj or bu51kwl or fk52mml at cannock if you want nails lol
@DiamondDart 2112 was the Dart if my maths is right
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 10, 2014, 08:28:17 PM
@DiamondDart 2112 was the Dart if my maths is right
:) Sure it is!! Thanks :) Will be avoiding that!
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 10, 2014, 08:21:57 PM
I went on an absolutely knackered MPD on the 217 today. Without wishing to sound like Bob, and I actually like MPDs generally, it had no seats behind the cab and rattled and shook like mad. I also counted the different types of moquette-7 on one bus, including some in a horrible black mesh type material :P Such a contrast to the LJ51's.
That may have been 2112 then if it was unrefurbed
I've actually travelled on a couple of excellent Arriva MPDs recently, 2113 & 2295. Yes ok the seating isn't brilliant but they're both very fast considering what they are
Quote from: Matt on July 10, 2014, 09:15:01 PM
I've actually travelled on a couple of excellent Arriva MPDs recently, 2113 & 2295. Yes ok the seating isn't brilliant but they're both very fast considering what they are
Oh I know the majority are excellent but that was what surprised me-that this was such a nail!
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 10, 2014, 09:30:42 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 10, 2014, 09:15:01 PM
I've actually travelled on a couple of excellent Arriva MPDs recently, 2113 & 2295. Yes ok the seating isn't brilliant but they're both very fast considering what they are
Oh I know the majority are excellent but that was what surprised me-that this was such a nail!
They're darts mate, they can only be so good. Thank god Green Bus only have 1 in service.
Quote from: Matt on July 10, 2014, 09:35:33 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 10, 2014, 09:30:42 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 10, 2014, 09:15:01 PM
I've actually travelled on a couple of excellent Arriva MPDs recently, 2113 & 2295. Yes ok the seating isn't brilliant but they're both very fast considering what they are
Oh I know the majority are excellent but that was what surprised me-that this was such a nail!
They're darts mate, they can only be so good. Thank god Green Bus only have 1 in service.
One of Britain's best selling buses... economic and accessible when new comfortable reliable and good for drivers engineers and accountants not to mention how passenger friendly they are. Give me a dart over pretty much anythingother than a b7rle or citaro.
Any idea why some Arriva vehicles are in a darker aqua?
Are these recent repaints?
Quote from: Westy on July 10, 2014, 10:44:58 PM
Any idea why some Arriva vehicles are in a darker aqua?
Are these recent repaints?
Yes. If you are referring to the Y-HKE darts then a fair few have been recently been repainted/refurbed from the former Midland livery.
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 10, 2014, 10:42:45 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 10, 2014, 09:35:33 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 10, 2014, 09:30:42 PM
Quote from: Matt on July 10, 2014, 09:15:01 PM
I've actually travelled on a couple of excellent Arriva MPDs recently, 2113 & 2295. Yes ok the seating isn't brilliant but they're both very fast considering what they are
Oh I know the majority are excellent but that was what surprised me-that this was such a nail!
They're darts mate, they can only be so good. Thank god Green Bus only have 1 in service.
One of Britain's best selling buses... economic and accessible when new comfortable reliable and good for drivers engineers and accountants not to mention how passenger friendly they are. Give me a dart over pretty much anythingother than a b7rle or citaro.
They're darts mate, they can only be so good. Thank god Green Bus only have 1 in service.
They are what they are. They were designed as mini/midibus replacements and arent suitable for longer distance services. Noisy and terrible legroom on some.
The best dart at cannock is SN03 LGC. the ones with ISBE engines ie 52 plate onwards are much smoother machines than any with B series ones. Ive never been able to figure why early step entry darts were so much quieter than early mpds as theyve both got the same engine
PD0000478/344 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted: Operating between Walsall and Lichfield given service number 35/35A/X35 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD0000478/351 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Walsall Bus Station and Litchfield BusStation given service number 35B effective from 07-Sep-2014.
Que Bob :P
Interesting spelling of Lichfield there
They can't leave that Walsall to Lichfield route alone can they?
Cue bob you mean lol...not really interested in the walsall to lichfield routes tbh. Doesnt take a genius to work out thatththey're not particularly successful? No one else has ever made a lot from them have they lol
Quote from: Bob on July 11, 2014, 07:06:53 PM
Cue bob you mean lol...not really interested in the walsall to lichfield routes tbh. Doesnt take a genius to work out thatththey're not particularly successful? No one else has ever made a lot from them have they lol
But by combining an already existing service with an important interurban route they can operate both of them quite effectively and please users of both routes at the same time, surely?
But is the 35B commercial or tendered? If it's tendered we might see another operator on it.
Quote from: Kevin on July 11, 2014, 07:27:48 PM
Quote from: Bob on July 11, 2014, 07:06:53 PM
Cue bob you mean lol...not really interested in the walsall to lichfield routes tbh. Doesnt take a genius to work out thatththey're not particularly successful? No one else has ever made a lot from them have they lol
But by combining an already existing service with an important interurban route they can operate both of them quite effectively and please users of both routes at the same time, surely?
It cant be that important they only use 29 seaters on it and they only get half full of theyre lucky.
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 11, 2014, 07:28:56 PM
But is the 35B commercial or tendered? If it's tendered we might see another operator on it.
Indeed, 35B will continue with another operator as it is a tendered service, it is normal for an operator to cancel a service when the contract ends regardless of whether they win it again or not. And the change to the 35 I believe is on behalf of Centro to extend the operation of the trial journeys on it. So no messing around with the service or anything really, other than an operator change on the 35B.
Wonder who has the 35b?
Suppose we can rule out National Express at least, as they pulled out years ago!
Let's hope it's someone we've heard of!
@Westy never count your chickens before they hatch
what service r the 3 latest solo's to day & Y382 thanks
Quote from: Solo1 on July 12, 2014, 01:36:56 PM
what service r the 3 latest solo's to day & Y382 thanks
2541 is on the 53
2546 is on the 63/4/5
Haven't seen 2544 today
@DiamondDart I see what you mean about 2112 having endured Brierley Hill to Merry Hill on it
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 12, 2014, 03:44:56 PM
@DiamondDart I see what you mean about 2112 having endured Brierley Hill to Merry Hill on it
@the trainbasher Endured being the word :P Absolutely horrendous bus-annoyingly been repainted presumably so may be staying a while? No legroom on it, rattles and shakes like crazy. I really like darts but even I hated this and could not wait to get off!! Which colour seat did u sit on lol? Wouldn't recommend the mesh ones!!
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 12, 2014, 05:31:12 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 12, 2014, 03:44:56 PM
@DiamondDart I see what you mean about 2112 having endured Brierley Hill to Merry Hill on it
@the trainbasher Endured being the word :P Absolutely horrendous bus-annoyingly been repainted presumably so may be staying a while? No legroom on it, rattles and shakes like crazy. I really like darts but even I hated this and could not wait to get off!! Which colour seat did u sit on lol? Wouldn't recommend the mesh ones!!
@DiamondDart the black slippy ones. Give me a refurbed dart anyday!!
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 12, 2014, 05:33:57 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 12, 2014, 05:31:12 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 12, 2014, 03:44:56 PM
@DiamondDart I see what you mean about 2112 having endured Brierley Hill to Merry Hill on it
@the trainbasher Endured being the word :P Absolutely horrendous bus-annoyingly been repainted presumably so may be staying a while? No legroom on it, rattles and shakes like crazy. I really like darts but even I hated this and could not wait to get off!! Which colour seat did u sit on lol? Wouldn't recommend the mesh ones!!
@DiamondDart the black slippy ones. Give me a refurbed dart anyday!!
Haha indeed! I haven't been on a Y...HKE one yet but I know the LJ51's are nice!
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 12, 2014, 05:37:50 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 12, 2014, 05:33:57 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 12, 2014, 05:31:12 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 12, 2014, 03:44:56 PM
@DiamondDart I see what you mean about 2112 having endured Brierley Hill to Merry Hill on it
@the trainbasher Endured being the word :P Absolutely horrendous bus-annoyingly been repainted presumably so may be staying a while? No legroom on it, rattles and shakes like crazy. I really like darts but even I hated this and could not wait to get off!! Which colour seat did u sit on lol? Wouldn't recommend the mesh ones!!
@DiamondDart the black slippy ones. Give me a refurbed dart anyday!!
Haha indeed! I haven't been on a Y...HKE one yet but I know the LJ51's are nice!
2125 is terrible. It has been refurbed/repainted but the engine sounds as if its about to blow up!
someone on the Arriva forum said about 2619 at wednesfield here is the bus its still here seen today on 334 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/14614709066/in/photostream
Quote from: Solo1 on July 12, 2014, 09:31:52 PM
someone on the Arriva forum said about 2619 at wednesfield here is the bus its still here seen today on 334 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/14614709066/in/photostream
Yes it was on the 334 on Thurday too
Quote from: Nathan on July 12, 2014, 09:38:06 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on July 12, 2014, 09:31:52 PM
someone on the Arriva forum said about 2619 at wednesfield here is the bus its still here seen today on 334 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/14614709066/in/photostream
Yes it was on the 334 on Thurday too
I want that on the 142!
Blimey that's the newest b6 that's appeared in Bilston!!
Quote from: Matt on July 12, 2014, 09:39:21 PM
Quote from: Nathan on July 12, 2014, 09:38:06 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on July 12, 2014, 09:31:52 PM
someone on the Arriva forum said about 2619 at wednesfield here is the bus its still here seen today on 334 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/14614709066/in/photostream
Yes it was on the 334 on Thurday too
I want that on the 142!
I think it has only worked the 9/334 so far. Haven't seen it on another service.
Is the 334 still set to be cancelled by Arriva?
@DiamondDart that's what Centro and VOSA say.
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 12, 2014, 09:52:54 PM
@DiamondDart that's what Centro and VOSA say.
Thanks for the info! Shame as it has been pretty busy whenever I have used it... Guess it's left to Thandi now to compete with NX!
Have they debranded the 310 buses yet?
Quote from: Westy on July 15, 2014, 09:39:44 PM
Have they debranded the 310 buses yet?
Weeks and weeks ago, I did wonder where they'd gone at first.
Quote from: Matt on July 15, 2014, 09:40:39 PM
Quote from: Westy on July 15, 2014, 09:39:44 PM
Have they debranded the 310 buses yet?
Weeks and weeks ago, I did wonder where they'd gone at first.
Saw 2155 a few weeks back unbranded.
Alsoit looks like 2619 is a transfer. Its rather odd how they have just transferred that one over to Wednesfield
Most of the b6s are going now its probably been just sent to wednesfield til it dies
Was 2619 1 of the Stafford b6's with wifi?
Just thought.
The 35 buses will have to be partially debranded as there's a mention of the 35b.
I wouldnt worry the route 1 buses are still branded for the original route despite the fact theyve run to and from Huntington for at least five years
There will be some fleetchanges this weekend, details thanks to WMBus Yahoo! group.
Solos 2553, 2554 are both bound for Hinckley eventually, though one of the pair is on loan to Wigston first.
The last Trident here, 4854, will be withdrawn.
Darts 2133, 2218, 2238 and 2288 are going to Telford to cover Gorge requirements.
The sole B6BLE, 2619, is also going to Telford.
Ex-Wardle Solos 2541, 2544 and 2546 are now in service.
Quote from: NXWM Spectra on July 17, 2014, 10:47:59 PM
There will be some fleetchanges this weekend, details thanks to WMBus Yahoo! group.
Solos 2553, 2554 are both bound for Hinckley eventually, though one of the pair is on loan to Wigston first.
The last Trident here, 4854, will be withdrawn.
Darts 2133, 2218, 2238 and 2288 are going to Telford to cover Gorge requirements.
The sole B6BLE, 2619, is also going to Telford.
Ex-Wardle Solos 2541, 2544 and 2546 are now in service.
Cheers for that update. When was 4851 withdrawn. Haven't seen it for a while so just assumed it was working the 19 all the while
there was a report on the yahoo bus group a few weeks ago that 4851 had been withdrawn with a blown engine. 4854 looks to have had some of 4851's seats upstairs pity really as these tridents were far better than the daf deckers
Got a last ride on the 310 yesterday. Unfortunately, it was one of their e200's which I hadn't been on before. It rode appallingly badly, rattled and shook like mad and had more handrails etc than seats. Dreadful.
Does anyone know if they're leased or not as they aren't standard Arriva spec inside?
A few loyal passengers asking about the 310 and when it was stopping with the driver as stickers on bus stops had already been removed.
Shame though-used this route a lot and generally Arriva offered a good quality service on there...
Werent the e200s dealer stock like the centros at cannock? I went on one a few wks back on the 9 it wasnt too bad least theyre modern and a bit quieter than darts. See what you mean re interiors though a bit naff. Its weird that sn53 esg has just been treated to a refurb at cannock but not been resprayed I dont really get that? Unless the seats were so bad it was going to fail an mot or something
What with the 310 334 & curtailing the 19 anyone think arriva will ever get the magic formula and have a service that's a big hit? The driver on the 530 the other week said he couldn't see it lasting
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 19, 2014, 01:20:14 PM
Got a last ride on the 310 yesterday. Unfortunately, it was one of their e200's which I hadn't been on before. It rode appallingly badly, rattled and shook like mad and had more handrails etc than seats. Dreadful.
Does anyone know if they're leased or not as they aren't standard Arriva spec inside?
A few loyal passengers asking about the 310 and when it was stopping with the driver as stickers on bus stops had already been removed.
Shame though-used this route a lot and generally Arriva offered a good quality service on there...
I think the E200's may have been acquired via Mistral hence the MX registration plates
Quote from: Bob on July 19, 2014, 01:42:12 PM
What with the 310 334 & curtailing the 19 anyone think arriva will ever get the magic formula and have a service that's a big hit? The driver on the 530 the other week said he couldn't see it lasting
Other than competing on a NX service, I'm struggling to think of one.
Anyone in the Willenhall area still lamenting the loss of the old 369 service?
How many Willenhall people are missing their trip to Sainsburys Reedswood?
Theyd need some bigger and better buses if they were gonna compete with NX. Refurbished darts they might be but theyre still 13 yr old midibuses...imagine arriva putting an army of them on the 51/X51 or 529 etc? Lol
Quote from: Winston on July 19, 2014, 04:02:10 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 19, 2014, 01:20:14 PM
Got a last ride on the 310 yesterday. Unfortunately, it was one of their e200's which I hadn't been on before. It rode appallingly badly, rattled and shook like mad and had more handrails etc than seats. Dreadful.
Does anyone know if they're leased or not as they aren't standard Arriva spec inside?
A few loyal passengers asking about the 310 and when it was stopping with the driver as stickers on bus stops had already been removed.
Shame though-used this route a lot and generally Arriva offered a good quality service on there...
I think the E200's may have been acquired via Mistral hence the MX registration plates
I did wonder that-Mistral lease a lot of vehicles don't they so it seems a possibility that Arriva Midlands don't actually even own them... Mind you, they're better with the LJ51 darts
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 19, 2014, 05:47:59 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 19, 2014, 04:02:10 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 19, 2014, 01:20:14 PM
Got a last ride on the 310 yesterday. Unfortunately, it was one of their e200's which I hadn't been on before. It rode appallingly badly, rattled and shook like mad and had more handrails etc than seats. Dreadful.
Does anyone know if they're leased or not as they aren't standard Arriva spec inside?
A few loyal passengers asking about the 310 and when it was stopping with the driver as stickers on bus stops had already been removed.
Shame though-used this route a lot and generally Arriva offered a good quality service on there...
I think the E200's may have been acquired via Mistral hence the MX registration plates
I did wonder that-Mistral lease a lot of vehicles don't they so it seems a possibility that Arriva Midlands don't actually even own them... Mind you, they're better with the LJ51 darts
You can buy as well as rent through Mistral
Quote from: Winston on July 19, 2014, 09:07:59 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 19, 2014, 05:47:59 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 19, 2014, 04:02:10 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on July 19, 2014, 01:20:14 PM
Got a last ride on the 310 yesterday. Unfortunately, it was one of their e200's which I hadn't been on before. It rode appallingly badly, rattled and shook like mad and had more handrails etc than seats. Dreadful.
Does anyone know if they're leased or not as they aren't standard Arriva spec inside?
A few loyal passengers asking about the 310 and when it was stopping with the driver as stickers on bus stops had already been removed.
Shame though-used this route a lot and generally Arriva offered a good quality service on there...
I think the E200's may have been acquired via Mistral hence the MX registration plates
I did wonder that-Mistral lease a lot of vehicles don't they so it seems a possibility that Arriva Midlands don't actually even own them... Mind you, they're better with the LJ51 darts
You can buy as well as rent through Mistral
True, it could be that they were acquired at short notice and so couldn't form part of their 2012 orders and be to Arriva spec. They must be unusual in that regard though-even leased NE solos are to standard spec.
Quote from: Bob on July 19, 2014, 01:42:12 PM
What with the 310 334 & curtailing the 19 anyone think arriva will ever get the magic formula and have a service that's a big hit? The driver on the 530 the other week said he couldn't see it lasting
There's plenty of potential for new routes but if you don't try then you won't find out. Actually thought their 310 would have done ok but apparently not.
Maybe extend the 1 from Walsall through to Brum?
That wouldn't work. A cannock to brum service never has for years. Look at the frequency of the 51/x51. Nx would obliterate them.
Quote from: Bob on July 21, 2014, 09:11:21 AM
That wouldn't work. A cannock to brum service never has for years. Look at the frequency of the 51/x51. Nx would obliterate them.
Valid, bit look at the 110, Arriva do fine on there despite the NX service, take the 51 out the equation as that's all stops (ergo, slower) and the X51 is only every 20
Id imagine a lot of 51/X51 passengers are travelcard holders which would erode arrivas customer base
Centro don't help sometimes.
(I know this is a Cannock depot service before you say anything!)
I've suggested rerouting the 2 & 2a away from the Leamore shops & turning right at the KFC (Four Crosses) roundabout instead & sending the service via Beechdale & Reedswood Sainsburys.
Centro's answer was that it wouldn't pay sending the bus back down Green Lane(Which wasn't what I said!) & leave people in Leamore Lane without a service, to which I replied 'Well there's no actual physical bus stops in that section of Leamore Lane anyway!'.
Needless to say, no response yet from either Centro or Arriva.
Why would you route it round beechdale? Itd take longer than it already does anyway and be pretty pointless as theres plenty of nx buses that go there.
Heard quite a few grumbles from the twirlies about the 310 today, they seem to think the whole route has gone rather than the sections that "loads of people" used, hmmm
Quote from: Bob on July 21, 2014, 09:43:42 PM
Why would you route it round beechdale? Itd take longer than it already does anyway and be pretty pointless as theres plenty of nx buses that go there.
There is plenty of Nx & Diamond buses too down Bloxwich Road.
It appears Central Buses will be running the 35B deregistered by Arriva
Anyone seen 2541 & y382
found the solo 2541 2 day on 10's Wolverhampton https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/14885740914/
2254 has been repainted and returned. Out on the 22 today
Not staying for long.
1ts new bus to turn up is 2722. Would be on the 10 I think.
Quote from: BN on August 14, 2014, 01:35:21 PM
1ts new bus to turn up is 2722. Would be on the 10 I think.
Nice bus is 2722, hope it stays a while
2722 isn't staying at Wednesfield, its a temp loan I believe
No mate, its a tranfer.
2714 and 2715 to come from Telford also.
Are the Cadets leaving Telford or something? I hope a fair few go, because, even though they're nice, they're quite bog standard.
2722 in service on the 19 today
Hopefully theyll get cannocks four! Nice and smooth and quiet but seriously who designed the legroom on the 03 plate ones?
Quote from: Bob on August 19, 2014, 06:28:50 PM
Hopefully theyll get cannocks four! Nice and smooth and quiet but seriously who designed the legroom on the 03 plate ones?
But the lack of legroom is made-up in the seat department (i.e. comfort and headrests).
Quote from: arrivadays on August 19, 2014, 07:06:08 PM
Quote from: Bob on August 19, 2014, 06:28:50 PM
Hopefully theyll get cannocks four! Nice and smooth and quiet but seriously who designed the legroom on the 03 plate ones?
But the lack of legroom is made-up in the seat department (i.e. comfort and headrests).
A seat is not comfortable if you can't get your legs in properly
Quote from: Tony on August 19, 2014, 07:16:11 PM
Quote from: arrivadays on August 19, 2014, 07:06:08 PM
Quote from: Bob on August 19, 2014, 06:28:50 PM
Hopefully theyll get cannocks four! Nice and smooth and quiet but seriously who designed the legroom on the 03 plate ones?
But the lack of legroom is made-up in the seat department (i.e. comfort and headrests).
A seat is not comfortable if you can't get your legs in properly
And youd have to be an amputee to get behind those! Even less room than NX B6s and thats saying something! Ive always wondered why BU03 HRK has never been refurbished it was the worst of the four!
2722 on the 10's today
According to an Arriva driver, Arriva are to withdraw from the 530 by the the end of September.
Is there any truth to this?
Knowing arriva's track record with Wednesfield I wouldn't be surprised!!
Quote from: SMK on August 22, 2014, 08:13:38 PM
According to an Arriva driver, Arriva are to withdraw from the 530 by the the end of September.
Is there any truth to this?
HAHAHAHA another success story
Well if you wasn't worried about Wednesfield before......
Surely Head Office must be worried long term?
Quote from: Westy on August 22, 2014, 10:15:17 PM
Well if you wasn't worried about Wednesfield before......
Surely Head Office must be worried long term?
They think its all over...It is now!
Quote from: SMK on August 22, 2014, 08:13:38 PM
According to an Arriva driver, Arriva are to withdraw from the 530 by the the end of September.
Is there any truth to this?
Not the case, besides a cancellation would have been entered.
I think this rumour stems from the on-bus notice for the return ticket which has an end date of late September.
Quote from: 646 on August 22, 2014, 10:18:06 PM
Quote from: SMK on August 22, 2014, 08:13:38 PM
According to an Arriva driver, Arriva are to withdraw from the 530 by the the end of September.
Is there any truth to this?
Not the case, besides a cancellation would have been entered.
I think this rumour stems from the on-bus notice for the return ticket which has an end date of late September.
Thought so.
Wouldn't have made sense to come off of it that soon.
Although, with such a high combined frequency of Banga/Arriva buses between Bilston and Rocket Pool (77, 530, 53,) I can't see it continuing like this for too long.
It's not like it's a corridor that was crying out for more buses.
Is what was the 369 between Walsall & Willenhall still required?
Perhaps they could introduce that say as a 72 instead?
(Sticking with the stupid numbering system introduced a few years back!)
Alternatively extend the 9 from Bentley/Lodge Farm via Birchtree Hollow, Bentley Lane onto Beechdale & terminate at Sainsburys !
Have any Bentley residents asked for a link to Sainsburys?
I cant imagine wednesfield having any new successful commercial services
... I mean going into competition with Banga....imagine the humiliation if Banga win
There are plenty of ideas in the pot.
Good results from latest tender rounds.
More SB120's to come.
Plenty of ideas in the pot? Do you think any of them will actually work given arrivas track record in the w.m. with launching new routes? Cos theyve all been flops!
More sb120s to come? Sounds like a right upgrade.....
Quote from: Bob on August 25, 2014, 09:13:19 AM
Plenty of ideas in the pot? Do you think any of them will actually work given arrivas track record in the w.m. with launching new routes? Cos theyve all been flops!
More sb120s to come? Sounds like a right upgrade.....
You'd have thought with all the former NXWM management that Arriva now have, that they might have made more of an impact within the West Midlands......
As opposed to the Zilch in two years? I mean competing with Banga.....lol
Quote from: Winston on August 25, 2014, 04:36:49 PM
Quote from: Bob on August 25, 2014, 09:13:19 AM
Plenty of ideas in the pot? Do you think any of them will actually work given arrivas track record in the w.m. with launching new routes? Cos theyve all been flops!
More sb120s to come? Sounds like a right upgrade.....
You'd have thought with all the former NXWM management that Arriva now have, that they might have made more of an impact within the West Midlands......
Without naming names, from which parts of Nx did they come from?
If they are from the garages covered in the Arriva Wednesfield patch (Walsall, Wolverhampton, Pensnett & West Bromwich) then these guys should have an idea what works and what doesn't, as they should know the patch.
If they come from the Birmingham garages or Coventry, surely they wouldn't know the patch as such?
I still wonder whether the 890 ought to be operated by Wednesfield unless there's a particular reason the Bridgnorth outstation should be kept on?
What does Bridgnorth operate exactly? Is the 297 still being operated by Arriva after various cuts?
The people in question may have moved on now from Arriva Midlands, but I am sure that they have had the former NXWM Operations Director, the old Black Country area Director, a West Bromwich Operations Manager and an Engineering Manager who looked after Walsall and West Brom in his time.
The brisgnorth outstayion still runs the 297 and 890 but I think that's it. Surely the work could go elsewhere, I personally think the 890 could generate a greater income than it does now personally, later buses especially in the summer would be a start to breath life into a route barely changed since nbc days
what about the 99, 113, 114, 141, 436 and knighton service??
Quote from: Ashley on August 25, 2014, 09:27:19 PM
The brisgnorth outstayion still runs the 297 and 890 but I think that's it. Surely the work could go elsewhere, I personally think the 890 could generate a greater income than it does now personally, later buses especially in the summer would be a start to breath life into a route barely changed since nbc days
Bridgnorth Depot is set to shut next month with all services being operated out of Telford Garrage
Quote from: Busman Jamie on August 26, 2014, 11:22:22 AM
Bridgnorth Depot is set to shut next month with all services being operated out of Telford Garrage
I thought they already were doing this? ???
Telford seemed to keep giving its buses to Bridgnorth to run, and the ones that are listed as Bridgnorth end up here (2297 was on the 23/24 this afternoon - but that's apparently a Bridgnorth vehicle). It's always confused me tbh...
Quote from: Westy on August 25, 2014, 08:54:33 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 25, 2014, 04:36:49 PM
Quote from: Bob on August 25, 2014, 09:13:19 AM
Plenty of ideas in the pot? Do you think any of them will actually work given arrivas track record in the w.m. with launching new routes? Cos theyve all been flops!
More sb120s to come? Sounds like a right upgrade.....
You'd have thought with all the former NXWM management that Arriva now have, that they might have made more of an impact within the West Midlands......
I still wonder whether the 890 ought to be operated by Wednesfield unless there's a particular reason the Bridgnorth outstation should be kept on?
What does Bridgnorth operate exactly? Is the 297 still being operated by Arriva after various cuts?
88/99, 113/114/115/116, one journey on the 141, 297, 436, 738/740, 890
Also seen two other services on the Bridgnorth bus services list on Arriva - 227 and a Wombourne Sainsbury's Shuttle? Are these also operated by Bridgnorth?
The 227 and the sainsburys bus are both Wednesfield duties
Quote from: D10 on August 25, 2014, 09:05:20 PM
The people in question may have moved on now from Arriva Midlands, but I am sure that they have had the former NXWM Operations Director, the old Black Country area Director, a West Bromwich Operations Manager and an Engineering Manager who looked after Walsall and West Brom in his time.
So with the guys that supposedly knew the area, what went wrong?
Quote from: Busman Jamie on August 26, 2014, 11:22:22 AM
Bridgnorth Depot is set to shut next month with all services being operated out of Telford Garrage
Even the 890?
That's daft.
They could make it a 10C & run it from Wednesfield!
Quote from: Westy on August 26, 2014, 06:06:07 PM
Quote from: D10 on August 25, 2014, 09:05:20 PM
The people in question may have moved on now from Arriva Midlands, but I am sure that they have had the former NXWM Operations Director, the old Black Country area Director, a West Bromwich Operations Manager and an Engineering Manager who looked after Walsall and West Brom in his time.
So with the guys that supposedly knew the area, what went wrong?
Id say NX. Arriva are sort of stumped. If they try to compete on an nx busy route nx would wipe the floor with them sotheyre left wwith piecemeal stuff like lightly loaded tendered services and the odd commercial moneyspinner like the 10. Plus the amount of passengers with nx travel cards would screw them over on trunk routes
Quote from: Bob on August 26, 2014, 06:45:14 PM
Quote from: Westy on August 26, 2014, 06:06:07 PM
Quote from: D10 on August 25, 2014, 09:05:20 PM
The people in question may have moved on now from Arriva Midlands, but I am sure that they have had the former NXWM Operations Director, the old Black Country area Director, a West Bromwich Operations Manager and an Engineering Manager who looked after Walsall and West Brom in his time.
So with the guys that supposedly knew the area, what went wrong?
Id say NX. Arriva are sort of stumped. If they try to compete on an nx busy route nx would wipe the floor with them sotheyre left wwith piecemeal stuff like lightly loaded tendered services and the odd commercial moneyspinner like the 10. Plus the amount of passengers with nx travel cards would screw them over on trunk routes
So they end up competing with Banga :P They'd have been better off staying on the 334 and building that up as it seemed to do ok and the 310 had potential as well...
They've so far tried an old service built up by BCC that was lost-310-and tagged it along to a tendered service. The 530/334-competing commercial service with same number and 19/10-variations on current services/corridors. Neither seems to have been particularly successful. I don't get why they don't have a go on something like the 59/529E/1? Basically, they don't seem to want to compete with NX so end up competing with smaller operators operating less busy services which will carry even fewer passengers for them?
Yea they don't seem to have made any impact at all. What a waste of time buying midland was. Cant imagine them doing well in future either
There's few points of contact isn't there?
Certainly, for example, it would be difficult to do say Lichfield, Walsall, Wolverhampton by Arriva.
Or cannock walsall dudley...cannock walsall brum....
I don't think we need any more buses on the 59! Diamond withdrew due to the fact a large majority of passengers either prefer to jump on the NX bus or they have a Travelcard. I used to watch the Diamond buses turn up at the stop and you usually only got the pensioners who got on. And along with the 69/89 plus the hourly 68 and the 28 down Wednesfield Rd it has enough buses as it is
A few years back (when ampm) were in tamworth. Their inspector admitted to me that tamworth garage had investigated a few nx routes that they could try & compete on. This was to highlight the fact they weren't scared to chase ampm in the west midlands routes. The routes he mentioned would work for them. I think the real reason they don't do anything big is due to the very real possibility of nx retaliating in their territory & that is to big a risk
Quote from: Busman Jamie on August 26, 2014, 11:22:22 AM
Bridgnorth Depot is set to shut next month with all services being operated out of Telford Garrage
Next month? Sunday isnt it.
Quote from: Steveminor on August 27, 2014, 07:14:44 AM
A few years back (when ampm) were in tamworth. Their inspector admitted to me that tamworth garage had investigated a few nx routes that they could try & compete on. This was to highlight the fact they weren't scared to chase ampm in the west midlands routes. The routes he mentioned would work for them. I think the real reason they don't do anything big is due to the very real possibility of nx retaliating in their territory & that is to big a risk
So was there any point in buying midland then?
Well it makes money so I would say yes.
I wouldnt imagine its your most profitable garage though? Considering the lack of investment in new buses compared with new garages and that other than the few remaining deckers everything else is midibuses. When are the deckers due to arrive at cannock?
Midland had started to encroach on their territory with more routes planned. So yes buying it did make sense
Which area? In cannock all they had were three tendered routes all of which carried fresh air for the most part. They had the 878 in stafford again not really encroaching on them much...
Some cannock work was commercial but even tendered work, well they were competing for tenders against arriva
Without midland arriva are almost certain to win 99% of tenders
What commercial work did midland ever have in cannock? ? And two of the midland routes in cannock are now run by select. All arriva still have left is the 62
Well the 62 was commercial having bought the route from heartlands.
Im pretty sure the 62 is a scc subsidised route
Quote from: Bob on August 27, 2014, 07:59:04 PM
Im pretty sure the 62 is a scc subsidised route
As mentioned on a previous post (possibly in another thread) other than early mornings and the Sunday 62A journeys the 62 is commercial.
Crikey its hardly the busiest! Arriva withdrew off it before due to its chronic unprofitabilty
Quote from: Bob on August 27, 2014, 09:00:24 PM
Crikey its hardly the busiest! Arriva withdrew off it before due to its chronic unprofitabilty
How on earth do you know that??
Because ive used it loads of times and arriva previously withdrew it....or maybe they withdrew it cause it was making too much money? ??
Operators withdraw perfectly viable services all the time. They also continue to operate unviable ones all the time. There are very variable reasons for this. I would love to explain but you wouldn't listen. Because Arriva are crap, their buses are empty, threadbare sheds that nobody likes and sound rough. They can't go up hills. If they were red and white the world would be a perfect place and everything would be great again.
So why would they withdraw a service if it was profitable? Threadbare sheds...yea you're spot on...
Quote from: andy on August 27, 2014, 10:10:11 PM
Operators withdraw perfectly viable services all the time. They also continue to operate unviable ones all the time. There are very variable reasons for this. I would love to explain but you wouldn't listen. Because Arriva are crap, their buses are empty, threadbare sheds that nobody likes and sound rough. They can't go up hills. If they were red and white the world would be a perfect place and everything would be great again.
Come on Andy, while Bob's views can be extreme against Arriva the 62 was withdrawn because it lost money. At the time the people of Cannock Wood complained and Arriva said it was not viable. Heartlands Bus then registered it and sold it to Midland with two darts
I live on the 62 route and I can remember it being every 20 minutes years ago but when the service got cut right down it forced people to find other ways of travelling hence why the service failed arriva put big buses on which the service doesn't need so that's gotta be losing money on diesel the fact the last one is around 5 ish is a bit silly
Just to throw an observation in, I caught the 62 on my travels the other week and it seemed to carry healthy numbers, quite a few people using it from Burntwood and Prospect village to Hednesford, even about 4 people boarding in Cannock Wood. Granted it's only one journey but from that one journey I wouldn't be worried
I won't go into cash figures but it was certainly profitable at heartlands & that was with drivers "allegedly" fiddling. The reason for selling the route to midland was simple, Mike was trying to sell the whole business but when the figures were checked they determined the only part of the business worth buying was the 62. Mike needed the cash so he did the deal.
I heard that Bridgnorth was going, it will be a sad loss. TELFORD WILL NOT BE RUNNING EVERYTHING!!! The 436 is going back to Shrewsbury and why on earth would telford run the 890 when it goes no wear near to telford yet runs into a city where an arriva garage is under 5 miles away??
Quote from: Kevin on August 28, 2014, 12:04:06 PM
Just to throw an observation in, I caught the 62 on my travels the other week and it seemed to carry healthy numbers, quite a few people using it from Burntwood and Prospect village to Hednesford, even about 4 people boarding in Cannock Wood. Granted it's only one journey but from that one journey I wouldn't be worried
It gets a few on but a lot of its custom is pensioners. I cant understand why its not more popular for cannock to lichfield passengers..its a much nicer ride and takes roughly same time!
Quote from: bwsau cymru on August 28, 2014, 01:20:26 PM
I heard that Bridgnorth was going, it will be a sad loss. TELFORD WILL NOT BE RUNNING EVERYTHING!!! The 436 is going back to Shrewsbury and why on earth would telford run the 890 when it goes no wear near to telford yet runs into a city where an arriva garage is under 5 miles away??
The 890 makes more sense at Telford for now. Telford is 20 minutes away from Bridgnorth and the timetable is Bridgnorth-ended, not Wolverhampton-ended.
Quote from: Tony on August 28, 2014, 08:35:30 AM
Quote from: andy on August 27, 2014, 10:10:11 PM
Operators withdraw perfectly viable services all the time. They also continue to operate unviable ones all the time. There are very variable reasons for this. I would love to explain but you wouldn't listen. Because Arriva are crap, their buses are empty, threadbare sheds that nobody likes and sound rough. They can't go up hills. If they were red and white the world would be a perfect place and everything would be great again.
Come on Andy, while Bob's views can be extreme against Arriva the 62 was withdrawn because it lost money. At the time the people of Cannock Wood complained and Arriva said it was not viable. Heartlands Bus then registered it and sold it to Midland with two darts
I'm sure it possibly could have lost money. But my point is that neither myself or Bob has access to the figures so cannot make remarks about the route being 'chronically unprofitable' so it is a pointless remark to make with no foundation.
You know aswell as I do Tony that operators have different methods of costing a service and that as a result a cash rich corridor sometimes doesn't actually end up paying as well as some lesser populated ones depending on subsidy, concessionary claims, fuel consumption, PVR, positioning of vehicles etc etc....you can't just sit and count bums on seats then come out with rubbish like he does and it annoys me.
I have mentioned before that Staffs CC offer a diabolical concessionary payout to operators in most areas and it is therefore little wonder that registrations come and go so frequently.
Andy im not gonna argue with you. Weve got views at the complets polar opposite ends of the scale. Half of cannocks fleet are threadbare unreliable nails. And sb200 buses do struggle getting up hills.
As for your remark about me thinking everything would be wonderful if nx took over or came back, I dont think that but I think theyd give them a run for their money! And be more reliable.
Im pretty sure passengers didnt have to prove to their employer that theyd made a complaint to the bus company about buses not running at all on around 5 occasions to avoid being disciplined when NX ran the walsall services.
Itd be interesting to compare figures over say 12 months as tohow many trips were lost to breakdowns on the 351 & how many have been lost on say the 2/2a.
Finally compare the standards nx are now refurbishing 07/57 plate buses. Arriva havent even refurbed or resprayed some of their 52/03 plate vehicles in many cases.
As I say no offence meant but weve just got opposing views
Early start Bob?
Haha yea I go the baths and gym at half 6 before work
And I woke up from a mad dream that me n my bro were on a metrobus from London to cannock and it only took half an hour!
Quote from: bwsau cymru on August 28, 2014, 01:20:26 PM
I heard that Bridgnorth was going, it will be a sad loss. TELFORD WILL NOT BE RUNNING EVERYTHING!!! The 436 is going back to Shrewsbury and why on earth would telford run the 890 when it goes no wear near to telford yet runs into a city where an arriva garage is under 5 miles away??
So who's going to run the Arriva journeys on the 141? And the 738/740?
the Knighton and Ludlow service was originally at Shrewsbury. so I really don't know. I imagine that services will eventually end up back from where the came, the only exception is anything new or anything that ran out of shifnal. I can see some timetable changes happening too, as the 436 was changed around the time it went to bridgnorth so that everything started there, this could happen to the 890 to allow it to run from wolves.
Quote from: arrivadays on August 29, 2014, 09:24:45 AM
Quote from: bwsau cymru on August 28, 2014, 01:20:26 PM
I heard that Bridgnorth was going, it will be a sad loss. TELFORD WILL NOT BE RUNNING EVERYTHING!!! The 436 is going back to Shrewsbury and why on earth would telford run the 890 when it goes no wear near to telford yet runs into a city where an arriva garage is under 5 miles away??
So who's going to run the Arriva journeys on the 141? And the 738/740?
I imagine that the 890 will interwork at Wolverhampton with 891/2 Wolverhampton - Telford routes, which I believe they have done in the past.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on August 29, 2014, 10:11:53 PM
Quote from: arrivadays on August 29, 2014, 09:24:45 AM
Quote from: bwsau cymru on August 28, 2014, 01:20:26 PM
I heard that Bridgnorth was going, it will be a sad loss. TELFORD WILL NOT BE RUNNING EVERYTHING!!! The 436 is going back to Shrewsbury and why on earth would telford run the 890 when it goes no wear near to telford yet runs into a city where an arriva garage is under 5 miles away??
So who's going to run the Arriva journeys on the 141? And the 738/740?
I imagine that the 890 will interwork at Wolverhampton with 891/2 Wolverhampton - Telford routes, which I believe they have done in the past.
Another route unreliability to complain about probably on Facebook, if the Cannock 60/825 is anything to go by!
890/891/892 have never interworked.
892 was originally run by wellington, then when the 891 came along it was operated spilit between shifnal and shrewsbury.
890 has always been stand alone.
Where does Shifnal come into this?
Did they have an outstation there or something?
Pretty certain there was a Shifnal outstation yes - guessing it used to operate the 113/114 (maybe 115/116), 892, 91/92.
The 891 and 892 are operated by Telford now, I believe - a majority of journeys interworked with the 96 when that was Arriva TF, but now that it's gone to Bryn Melyn , it's just its own working now.
I myself would think the SB120s that are supposedly going from Telford to Wednesfield maybe to cover as vehicles for the 890, should it go to Wednesfield's operation (which would make more sense, let's be honest).
Also, wouldn't it make more sense for Whittle (who operate the large majority of 141) to take over Arriva's remaining journey(s), as well as run the 738/740.
Shifnal shut then Bridgnorth came into light
2715 seen going down Wednesfield Rd towards Wednesfield Garage yesterday
2714 and 2715 now at Wednesfield. 2722 in for refurbishment.
2234, 2253 and 2254 now at Longton.
FE51 WSU currently parked at walsall bus station on the 19
Yes, 4715 is the first of several additional double-deckers for Amazon work.
Perhaps nothing, but the VOSA registration for the 9 timetable/route change in October, lists the start/end point as being Willenhall, Lion Hotel.
Now I know VOSA don't normally change these details, but the 9 operated by Arriva has never gone through to Willenhall (in my view it should have done when the 333 was withdrawn). Does anyone know if there is anything to this?
is there going to be any new buses at Wednesfield garage?
Saw LF52 UOG in lichfield earlier on 35. Sounds really rough and the brakes screech to high heaven
Saw 4789 running light through Bloxwich 7.30 am today, is this a loan from Thurmaston maybe due to the impending Amazon services?
4714, 4715, 4786, 4789 all at Wednesfield for Amazon.
2722 now refurbed/repainted. On the 10 this afternoon
Quote from: 646 on September 19, 2014, 07:30:25 PM
4714, 4715, 4786, 4789 all at Wednesfield for Amazon.
Need all except 4715. I thought 4709 was at WD too
Are deckers still wasted on the 10?
Quote from: Ashley on September 19, 2014, 09:00:22 PM
Quote from: 646 on September 19, 2014, 07:30:25 PM
4714, 4715, 4786, 4789 all at Wednesfield for Amazon.
Need all except 4715. I thought 4709 was at WD too
4709 didn't come over in the end.
Quote from: Bob on September 19, 2014, 09:01:21 PM
Are deckers still wasted on the 10?
They are required on two of the three boards.
Quote from: 646 on September 19, 2014, 10:26:23 PM
Quote from: Ashley on September 19, 2014, 09:00:22 PM
Quote from: 646 on September 19, 2014, 07:30:25 PM
4714, 4715, 4786, 4789 all at Wednesfield for Amazon.
Need all except 4715. I thought 4709 was at WD too
4709 didn't come over in the end.
4709 did go to Wednesfield but only for a few days but was swapped over with 4714 for some reason.
Quote from: 646 on September 19, 2014, 07:30:25 PM
4714, 4715, 4786, 4789 all at Wednesfield for Amazon.
still no timetable on the arriva site for thess amazon services any one know the times
Quote from: stuartn on September 19, 2014, 11:10:41 PM
Quote from: 646 on September 19, 2014, 10:26:23 PM
Quote from: Ashley on September 19, 2014, 09:00:22 PM
Quote from: 646 on September 19, 2014, 07:30:25 PM
4714, 4715, 4786, 4789 all at Wednesfield for Amazon.
Need all except 4715. I thought 4709 was at WD too
4709 didn't come over in the end.
4709 did go to Wednesfield but only for a few days but was swapped over with 4714 for some reason.
A few days? 10 mins we picked it up for Telford.
Quote from: Nathan on September 19, 2014, 07:45:56 PM
2722 now refurbed/repainted. On the 10 this afternoon
Swapped with 2715 now in for paint.
Quote from: 646 on September 19, 2014, 07:30:25 PM
4714, 4715, 4786, 4789 all at Wednesfield for Amazon.
They are all transfers not loans.
another ex midland solo now in arriva livery https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/15113489478/
Quote from: Nathan on September 19, 2014, 07:45:56 PM
2722 now refurbed/repainted. On the 10 this afternoon here is the said bus https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/15277011446/
Quote from: 646 on September 19, 2014, 07:30:25 PM
4714, 4715, 4786, 4789 all at Wednesfield for Amazon.
They have A3 from weds bury A5 from Wolverhampton
A51 from walsall & A52 from Erdington
Will the same deckers be used on the same service
Ie 4714 on A5 Any more services to amazon
Any one got a full fleet list for whats at Wednesfield depot
Quote from: Solo1 on September 22, 2014, 01:14:48 PM
Any one got a full fleet list for whats at Wednesfield depot
Just look at the fleet list in the section of the forum marked fleet lists.
Quote from: arrifirststage on September 22, 2014, 02:21:13 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on September 22, 2014, 01:14:48 PM
Any one got a full fleet list for whats at Wednesfield depot
Just look at the fleet list in the section of the forum marked fleet lists.
I update the main one once a month direct from company information
Quote from: Solo1 on September 22, 2014, 09:14:52 AM
Quote from: 646 on September 19, 2014, 07:30:25 PM
4714, 4715, 4786, 4789 all at Wednesfield for Amazon.
They have A3 from weds bury A5 from Wolverhampton
A51 from walsall & A52 from Erdington
Will the same deckers be used on the same service
Ie 4714 on A5 Any more services to amazon
There is no A3.
A5 Wolverhampton
A51 Great Barr
A52 Erdington
Quote from: arrifirststage on September 22, 2014, 02:21:13 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on September 22, 2014, 01:14:48 PM
Any one got a full fleet list for whats at Wednesfield depot
Just look at the fleet list in the section of the forum marked fleet lists.
2102, 2103, 2104, 2106, 2107, 2108, 2109, 2110, 2111, 2112, 2113, 2114, 2125, 2140, 2141, 2142, 2143, 2144, 2145, 2146, 2147, 2148, 2149, 2150, 2151, 2152, 2153, 2154, 2155, 2156, 2157, 2158, 2159, 2160, 2161, 2162, 2256, 2257, 2261, 2295(on loan from HQ), 2414, 2541, 2544, 2546, 2550, 2563, 2564, 2714, 2715, 2722, 4714, 4715, 4786, 4789, 4796, 4797, 4800, 4801.
Can't find any Arriva timetables, Traveline has an A3 headed from Wednesbury but only from Walsall on the timetable - I think that may be left over from last year!
Quote from: mikestone on September 23, 2014, 09:01:21 AM
Can't find any Arriva timetables, Traveline has an A3 headed from Wednesbury but only from Walsall on the timetable - I think that may be left over from last year!
Correct
Quote from: notepanel on September 09, 2014, 08:15:35 PM
Perhaps nothing, but the VOSA registration for the 9 timetable/route change in October, lists the start/end point as being Willenhall, Lion Hotel.
Now I know VOSA don't normally change these details, but the 9 operated by Arriva has never gone through to Willenhall (in my view it should have done when the 333 was withdrawn). Does anyone know if there is anything to this?
To answer my own question, the route is being extended to Willenhall from this date and maintaining the 20 minute frequency.
Sandwell Travel are upping their frequency to every 20 minutes on the 333X from the same date as well.
Is 2103 out if so what service thanks
Quote from: notepanel on September 25, 2014, 10:07:43 PM
Quote from: notepanel on September 09, 2014, 08:15:35 PM
Perhaps nothing, but the VOSA registration for the 9 timetable/route change in October, lists the start/end point as being Willenhall, Lion Hotel.
Now I know VOSA don't normally change these details, but the 9 operated by Arriva has never gone through to Willenhall (in my view it should have done when the 333 was withdrawn). Does anyone know if there is anything to this?
To answer my own question, the route is being extended to Willenhall from this date and maintaining the 20 minute frequency.
Sandwell Travel are upping their frequency to every 20 minutes on the 333X from the same date as well.
And the only one you'll get a leaflet for is the 9 because Sandwell can't be a***d to get leaflets out!
Who currently gets the most bums on seats between Walsall & Bentley?
Wonder if they will run so it's a 10 min service each been 20muns each
one of the 4 deckers that should b for amazon was on 19 today https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/15348810066/
Quote from: Solo1 on September 27, 2014, 07:58:34 PM
one of the 4 deckers that should b for amazon was on 19 today https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/15348810066/
Some RC's interwork mate.
how come wednesfield got rid of the two tridents? i heard 4851 had blown engine, but didnt 4854 get a replacement just a few months earlier, 4851 being the smarter of the 2
Quote from: mranon on September 28, 2014, 11:17:53 AM
how come wednesfield got rid of the two tridents? i heard 4851 had blown engine, but didnt 4854 get a replacement just a few months earlier, 4851 being the smarter of the 2
I think it was for fleet standardisation, the remaining Trident went to Longton where they have a few more Tridents (although have recently also disposed of some).
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/15242053638/in/photostream/lightbox/ another of the buses for amazon work
Quote from: Solo1 on October 03, 2014, 03:38:45 PM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/15242053638/in/photostream/lightbox/ another of the buses for amazon work
Yes 4786/9,4714/5 are the buses here for Amazon work
Does anyone know what is on the 19 today please
PD0000478/335 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted: Operating between Bilston and Dudley given service number 229 effective from 30-Nov-2014. To amend Timetable.
PD0000478/407 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Pendeford, Whitburn Close
Finish Point: Pendeford, Whitburn Close
Via: Rakegate, Oxly, Wolverhampton City Centre
Service Number: 4A
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 30-NOV-2014
Other Details: Monday to Saturday + hourly service on Sunday
4a sounds interesting
Quote from: busman99 on October 13, 2014, 06:24:51 PM
4a sounds interesting
Finally starting to compete against NX (Apart from the 10 which they inherited from Midland) it seems. I wonder whether they will start to compete on other corridors in the near future. May not be the most obvious route to compete on but it shows they are trying to expand
It seems now the Arriva brand has been out and about for a while now on the centro tenders it seems they feel like now is the time to expand on commercial routes
It probably wont be a success...everything theyve other done commercially has flopped badly
Didn't Travel Express have a go at the 4 earlier this year?
no, smk, travel express had a go at the no.3 between fordhouses and wolverhampton.
Ah my mistake.
I remembered they had a go at one of the Stafford Rd routes but couldn't remember which.
Look out for decker number 10 coming to Wednesfield 4719 should be out Monday.
another decker for which service will it be used havn't they got enough deckers
Quote from: 646 on September 01, 2014, 07:48:55 PM
2714 and 2715 now at Wednesfield. 2722 in for refurbishment.
2234, 2253 and 2254 now at Longton.
here is 2714 on 19 service https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/14946062674/
Quote from: Solo1 on October 18, 2014, 10:11:16 PM
another decker for which service will it be used havn't they got enough deckers
Amazon Contract i presume
Yes Amazon getting more and more busier.
Seen 4203 in Wolverhampton about 9.30
Quote from: jack4325 on October 21, 2014, 07:41:05 PM
Seen 4203 in Wolverhampton about 9.30
What was it doing? A 70/6 maybe?
Also 4719 was on Amazon yesterday
They were a decker down on the staffords today a pulsar was on the 9am from cannock. So its possible
Is the 326 at Wednesfield garage
Quote from: leewhayward29 on October 24, 2014, 01:53:49 AM
Is the 326 at Wednesfield garage
Ought to be. Its not far from there.
DD number 11 on its way over Sunday in the form of 4718. Another East Lancs.
Solo 2541 transferred to Shrewsbury.
Quote from: BN on October 25, 2014, 08:17:21 AM
DD number 11 on its way over Sunday in the form of 4718. Another East Lancs.
DD's now comprise of:
4714, 4715, 4718, 4719, 4786, 4789, 4796, 4797, 4800, 4801, 4810.
The 10's are on a fun diversion due to drainage work at Compton that wont last a fortnightas they say I will, the diversion is, from Compton Square turn around, Bridgnorth Road down to The Mermaid. Windmill Lane then Castlecroft Road up to White Oak Driver, along White Oak Drive then left onto Finchfield Hill, right on to Compton Road normal line of route. DLA's going past my house, happy days
2155 and 2157 are the buses working the 27 today.
Quote from: Nathan on October 26, 2014, 12:18:53 PM
2155 and 2157 are the buses working the 27 today.
And extended 28E as they interwork
Quote from: 646 on October 26, 2014, 12:45:19 PM
Quote from: Nathan on October 26, 2014, 12:18:53 PM
2155 and 2157 are the buses working the 27 today.
And extended 28E as they interwork
Realised that this afternoon. 2108 was running pretty late on the 62 this afternoon due to the Compton Square diversion
Dennis Dart 2414 has transferred over to the Hinckley Bus operations, still in full arriva livery: www.facebook.com/LeicestershireTransportUpdates/photos/585741574891759/
Why do they keep Hinckley bus as a separate operation?
Another solo gone 2544 Transferred to Shrewsbury.
Quote from: Bob on October 29, 2014, 07:17:05 PM
Why do they keep Hinckley bus as a separate operation?
Almost always this is due to differing wage rates and conditions.
4715 on the 9 today
Quick question: On Sundays, do the 35/41 and 77 interwork as about 1238 today, i caught 2140 on the 41, yet there's a picture on John's flickr account of it in Sutton on a 77, today. Here's the link:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/15617514968/
Credit to John
Quote from: ARJ2901 on November 16, 2014, 09:21:06 PM
Quick question: On Sundays, do the 35/41 and 77 interwork as about 1238 today, i caught 2140 on the 41, yet there's a picture on John's flickr account of it in Sutton on a 77, today. Here's the link:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/15617514968/
Credit to John
I was wondering that myself this afternoon while I was out. The 77 must interwork with something as it leaves Walsall at *.50 and Sutton at *.30. If you caught it on the 41, then that's must be the other route it works on. The 335 and 19 also interwork
Quote from: John on November 16, 2014, 09:26:06 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on November 16, 2014, 09:21:06 PM
Quick question: On Sundays, do the 35/41 and 77 interwork as about 1238 today, i caught 2140 on the 41, yet there's a picture on John's flickr account of it in Sutton on a 77, today. Here's the link:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/15617514968/
Credit to John
I was wondering that myself this afternoon while I was out. The 77 must interwork with something as it leaves Walsall at *.50 and Sutton at *.30. If you caught it on the 41, then that's must be the other route it works on. The 335 and 19 also interwork
Doesn't the 8A fit in amongst either of these?
35, 41 and 77 inter work Sunday daytime, as do 8A and 335 with 41 joining the cycle in the evening.
19 is standalone.
Quote from: 646 on November 16, 2014, 10:25:16 PM
35, 41 and 77 inter work Sunday daytime, as do 8A and 335 with 41 joining the cycle in the evening.
19 is standalone.
Thanks for clarifying that
IM sure today i saw a double Decker on the 18 i could be wrong or it could just have wrong display on
Decker on the 19 today leaving bloxwich for walsall. Needless to say it was carrying fresh air
Quote from: Bob on November 18, 2014, 09:24:25 PM
Decker on the 19 today leaving bloxwich for walsall. Needless to say it was carrying fresh air
Plenty of buses leaving Bloxwich carrying fresh air off peak. Needless to say, but you said it anyway!
Quote from: jack4325 on November 18, 2014, 09:08:30 PM
IM sure today i saw a double Decker on the 18 i could be wrong or it could just have wrong display on
No, the first 18 today and yesterday was covered by a decker due to a late-running 837 college service.
Deckers totally wasted on the 19 andy.
The routes hardly a success story is it? Like anything else wednesfield have tried to launch. The 530 will be the next in the list of failures
Quote from: Bob on November 18, 2014, 10:05:11 PM
Deckers totally wasted on the 19 andy.
I think the 9 or a route that needs double deckers on more than the 19
Quote from: leewhayward29 on November 19, 2014, 03:10:32 AM
Quote from: Bob on November 18, 2014, 10:05:11 PM
Deckers totally wasted on the 19 andy.
I think the 9 or a route that needs double deckers on more than the 19
I'm not an expert but to me, it makes more sense putting deckers on the 10/10A/10B cause they do actually carry people. The 9 tends to only need a midibus, and the 19 could get away with that, I reckon
Quote from: 646 on November 18, 2014, 10:03:32 PM
Quote from: jack4325 on November 18, 2014, 09:08:30 PM
IM sure today i saw a double Decker on the 18 i could be wrong or it could just have wrong display on
No, the first 18 today and yesterday was covered by a decker due to a late-running 837 college service.
That would have struggled down Olinthus Ave!
They put deckers on 10/a/b cos some trips do schools dont they? Otherwise a cadet or full size single decker / alx200 dart would be fine
Quote from: Bob on November 19, 2014, 09:27:50 AM
They put deckers on 10/a/b cos some trips do schools dont they? Otherwise a cadet or full size single decker / alx200 dart would be fine
There's a 10A that does a trip from Codsall High School. The 10 and 10B carry alot of kids to and from Compton Park and Padget Road. The deckers are full mornings and afternoons and sometimes during the day
So, Bob, instead of slating Arriva as per. Think back to the days of the 510, NX used deckers which weren't heaving in the daytimes themselves
Oh well its the only wednesfield route that is heaving. ( if it is)And how come theyve used darts on there that have coped perfectly well. ?
And its an established service inherited from midland. Every new route they try falls flat on its face and faiks miserably. You cant deny that...
why would a decker struggle down olinthus ave on the 18? its no longer than some of the single deck buses midland then arriva have used in the past!
Quote from: mranon on November 19, 2014, 09:58:35 PM
why would a decker struggle down olinthus ave on the 18? its no longer than some of the single deck buses midland then arriva have used in the past!
Low hanging trees
Quote from: Bob on November 19, 2014, 08:37:44 PM
Oh well its the only wednesfield route that is heaving. ( if it is)And how come theyve used darts on there that have coped perfectly well. ?
And its an established service inherited from midland. Every new route they try falls flat on its face and faiks miserably. You cant deny that...
Not quite... It's a route they inherited from Midland but modified themselves to incorporate the Pattingham route, while at the same time giving that a better (ie, once an hour, not sporadic) service. I'd call that a success
Another vehicle type coming to Wednesfield, LWB.
Quote from: Kevin on November 20, 2014, 12:18:09 PM
Quote from: Bob on November 19, 2014, 08:37:44 PM
Oh well its the only wednesfield route that is heaving. ( if it is)And how come theyve used darts on there that have coped perfectly well. ?
And its an established service inherited from midland. Every new route they try falls flat on its face and faiks miserably. You cant deny that...
Not quite... It's a route they inherited from Midland but modified themselves to incorporate the Pattingham route, while at the same time giving that a better (ie, once an hour, not sporadic) service. I'd call that a success
But bear in mind the section from Perton to Pattingham is tendered, always has been but was part of a different contract when a Arriva were running it as the 516/7 so the buses used were doing other things as well as Pattingham runs.
Quote from: BN on November 20, 2014, 04:09:30 PM
Another vehicle type coming to Wednesfield, LWB.
Can you reveal what type of vehicle yet?
Quote from: BN on November 20, 2014, 04:09:30 PM
Another vehicle type coming to Wednesfield, LWB.
3733 Plaxton Centro from Shrewsbury
Quote from: Tony on November 21, 2014, 04:17:49 PM
Quote from: BN on November 20, 2014, 04:09:30 PM
Another vehicle type coming to Wednesfield, LWB.
3733 Plaxton Centro from Shrewsbury
With 3732,34,35,36,37,38,39 to follow
Quote from: BN on November 21, 2014, 08:17:45 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 21, 2014, 04:17:49 PM
Quote from: BN on November 20, 2014, 04:09:30 PM
Another vehicle type coming to Wednesfield, LWB.
3733 Plaxton Centro from Shrewsbury
With 3732,34,35,36,37,38,39 to follow
Which routes need those?!
With the Centros going, what will be the replacements in the Shrewsbury end? StreetLites again?
Imagine suffering a streetlite end to end on the X64
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 21, 2014, 08:19:03 PM
Quote from: BN on November 21, 2014, 08:17:45 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 21, 2014, 04:17:49 PM
Quote from: BN on November 20, 2014, 04:09:30 PM
Another vehicle type coming to Wednesfield, LWB.
3733 Plaxton Centro from Shrewsbury
With 3732,34,35,36,37,38,39 to follow
Which routes need those?!
.
They will probably assess them on the 10 and the new 4A service
Quote from: Nathan on November 21, 2014, 08:35:22 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 21, 2014, 08:19:03 PM
Quote from: BN on November 21, 2014, 08:17:45 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 21, 2014, 04:17:49 PM
Quote from: BN on November 20, 2014, 04:09:30 PM
Another vehicle type coming to Wednesfield, LWB.
3733 Plaxton Centro from Shrewsbury
With 3732,34,35,36,37,38,39 to follow
Which routes need those?!
.
They will probably assess them on the 10 and the new 4A service
35's for some
Quote from: arrivadays on November 21, 2014, 08:28:21 PM
With the Centros going, what will be the replacements in the Shrewsbury end? StreetLites again?
Short term, Solo's. Long term, Versa's.
What they gonna use on the 64/164? Where will the versas be coming from
Quote from: Bob on November 22, 2014, 10:03:41 AM
What they gonna use on the 64/164? Where will the versas be coming from
Telford in Feb.
Telford set to lose all theirs then?
Makes sense with the upcoming order of 25 StreetLites.
Shame they were decent on the 890/891. Hopefully the streetlites will be used on other telford routes dont fancy being thrown forward in my seat every time they go into kickdown and being jerked about every time they go in slow traffic lol
4787 is on the 10. Departed Wolverhampton Bus Station at 16:45
Quote from: Nathan on November 25, 2014, 04:51:57 PM
4787 is on the 10. Departed Wolverhampton Bus Station at 16:45
Hopefully its on again today
3733 had its maiden voyage on there today.
Quote from: 646 on November 26, 2014, 04:22:45 PM
3733 had its maiden voyage on there today.
Are the Centro's at Wednesfield now, then?
Quote from: ARJ2901 on November 26, 2014, 06:26:05 PM
Quote from: 646 on November 26, 2014, 04:22:45 PM
3733 had its maiden voyage on there today.
Are the Centro's at Wednesfield now, then?
3732-39 are coming to Wednesfield. One of the batch was on the 892 this afternoon so must be on loan to Telford although a few Centro's (Route branded for one of the Shrewsbury routes) have appeared recently
3737/9 were still working for Wardle yesterday.
Quote from: Nathan on November 26, 2014, 10:40:34 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on November 26, 2014, 06:26:05 PM
Quote from: 646 on November 26, 2014, 04:22:45 PM
3733 had its maiden voyage on there today.
Are the Centro's at Wednesfield now, then?
3732-39 are coming to Wednesfield. One of the batch was on the 892 this afternoon so must be on loan to Telford although a few Centro's (Route branded for one of the Shrewsbury routes) have appeared recently
Shrewsbury operate one Wolverhampton-Telford-Wolverhampton journey so this could be why you saw a Centro.
Three of Wardles' plus two of Shrewsbury's Centros are moving in to Wednesfield this weekend.
3736 on 10 today
Enviro in queens square today on a recruitment drive.
Anyone know what service 4714 4719 &4789 r on today
Quote from: Solo1 on November 29, 2014, 11:10:15 AM
Anyone know what service 4714 4719 &4789 r on today
Amazon most likely.
2142 is the E200 in Queen St
Quote from: Nathan on November 29, 2014, 11:51:10 AM
Quote from: Solo1 on November 29, 2014, 11:10:15 AM
Anyone know what service 4714 4719 &4789 r on today
Amazon most likely.
2142 is the E200 in Queen St
4719 in vor at present, 4716 has also now joined the fleet
One of the Centros is on the 19, just left Walsall
Quote from: Kevin on November 29, 2014, 05:26:59 PM
One of the Centros is on the 19, just left Walsall
3733. The other recent arrival, 3736 is on the 10
Quote from: 646 on November 29, 2014, 09:28:21 AM
3736 on 10 today
here is the said bus on the 10 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/15913706321/
Does anybody see what was on the new 4A service today?
Quote from: Nathan on November 25, 2014, 04:51:57 PM
4787 is on the 10. Departed Wolverhampton Bus Station at 16:45
was also out Saturday https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/15891466926/
Anyone know what the other buses are gonna be at wednesfield? The enviro replacements?
Centro's 3732-3739 are coming to replace E200's, Bob
Quote from: ARJ2901 on November 30, 2014, 10:35:13 PM
Centro's 3732-3739 are coming to replace E200's, Bob
the envrios didn't last long at Wednesfireld if they are going which depot is having gthem
According to BN whatever was supposed to be replacing the enviros was to be an upgrade. ...was he taking the p##s lol?
Wesnesfield are NOT doing any Boxing Day services again this year. Looks like speculation again to see who does them.
Quote from: Bob on December 01, 2014, 12:09:44 AM
According to BN whatever was supposed to be replacing the enviros was to be an upgrade. ...was he taking the p##s lol?
Erm? What about a increase in capacity then!
Yea its an increase in capacity but hardly an upgrade lol...theyre pushin 8 yrs old and the enviros are pushing 3. I dont really see what routes theyre needed for. According to people on here the 10 simply couldnt cope without a decker on there. And the 19 doesnt need them. Cant see where their required or where they fit in really. Plus BN had said in a post that whatever was coming wouldnt be from the midlands.
They should send cannocks four centros back and send FK52 MML SK52MLE BU51 KWJ/K overto Wednesfield. Cannocks got only limited need for mpd darts really
Quote from: Bob on December 01, 2014, 11:06:43 AM
Yea its an increase in capacity but hardly an upgrade lol...theyre pushin 8 yrs old and the enviros are pushing 3. I dont really see what routes theyre needed for. According to people on here the 10 simply couldnt cope without a decker on there. And the 19 doesnt need them. Cant see where their required or where they fit in really. Plus BN had said in a post that whatever was coming wouldnt be from the midlands.
They should send cannocks four centros back and send FK52 MML SK52MLE BU51 KWJ/K overto Wednesfield. Cannocks got only limited need for mpd darts really
YJ57 AZP is on the W'field 9 today and another is on the 336.
Quote from: Solo1 on November 30, 2014, 10:49:49 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on November 30, 2014, 10:35:13 PM
Centro's 3732-3739 are coming to replace E200's, Bob
the envrios didn't last long at Wednesfireld if they are going which depot is having gthem
Rumoured to be one of the Leicester garages (Thurmaston I think)
Dont they like Cannock & Wednesfield having decent vehicles then?
Quote from: Westy on December 01, 2014, 07:44:05 PM
Dont they like Cannock & Wednesfield having decent vehicles then?
If you have travelled on these plastic sheds, your sympathies will be travelling towards Leicestershire along with them, Wednesfield are getting the better deal.
Quote from: John on December 01, 2014, 06:44:59 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on November 30, 2014, 10:49:49 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on November 30, 2014, 10:35:13 PM
Centro's 3732-3739 are coming to replace E200's, Bob
the envrios didn't last long at Wednesfireld if they are going which depot is having gthem
Rumoured to be one of the Leicester garages (Thurmaston I think)
Centros coming to replace E200's? Why are the centros here then and so are the E200's? They are not replaceing them, solos are going.
So theres still some more vehicles expected then?
Apparently Arriva will be operating the shuttle bus services between New Cross and Cannock Hospitals now that NewCCross have taken over Cannock. Will it be Wednesfield that operate these services?
Centros are on the number 4A 3733 and 3738
2722 on the 9 if this is noteworthy
Quote from: Bob on December 01, 2014, 10:58:57 PM
So theres still some more vehicles expected then?
Yes, in the new year and they will be an upgrade to 12 plate E200's
Quote from: Solo1 on November 30, 2014, 10:49:49 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on November 30, 2014, 10:35:13 PM
Centro's 3732-3739 are coming to replace E200's, Bob
the envrios didn't last long at Wednesfireld if they are going which depot is having gthem
Coalville
Quote from: Bob on December 02, 2014, 12:33:32 AM
Apparently Arriva will be operating the shuttle bus services between New Cross and Cannock Hospitals now that NewCCross have taken over Cannock. Will it be Wednesfield that operate these services?
Correct.
Quote from: BN on December 02, 2014, 07:48:49 PM
Quote from: Bob on December 01, 2014, 10:58:57 PM
So theres still some more vehicles expected then?
Yes, in the new year and they will be an upgrade to 12 plate E200's
I thought they were 12plates that wednesfield are losing?
Quote from: andy on December 01, 2014, 07:47:01 PM
Quote from: Westy on December 01, 2014, 07:44:05 PM
Dont they like Cannock & Wednesfield having decent vehicles then?
If you have travelled on these plastic sheds, your sympathies will be travelling towards Leicestershire along with them, Wednesfield are getting the better deal.
To be honest, as Ive mentioned before,I live on the daytime bit of the 2 & 2a in Leamore, but I have to use Nx because I work over Great Bridge!
Mother uses the 2 & 2a occasionally though.
The only time I use Arriva is to go to Cannock or Lichfield.
I've not been on here for some time so forgive me if this has already been mentioned. A friend of mine told me that Arriva are to open a depot in wombourne????
3736 is on the 35 for anybody looking/interested
Quote from: richie on December 02, 2014, 11:03:21 PM
I've not been on here for some time so forgive me if this has already been mentioned. A friend of mine told me that Arriva are to open a depot in wombourne????
How long does the lease at Wednesfield have to run?
Is Wombourne better placed for Arriva operations than Wednesfield?
Have all the centro.s arrived at Wednesfield as there's reports of only 2 orv3 in service
Anybody know where 3733 and 3738 are today?
3739 is on the 9
Quote from: Westy on December 03, 2014, 12:43:03 PM
Quote from: richie on December 02, 2014, 11:03:21 PM
I've not been on here for some time so forgive me if this has already been mentioned. A friend of mine told me that Arriva are to open a depot in wombourne????
How long does the lease at Wednesfield have to run?
Is Wombourne better placed for Arriva operations than Wednesfield?
I'll end this now: there was an error in the newspaper ad.
Quote from: Bob on December 02, 2014, 09:07:20 PM
Quote from: BN on December 02, 2014, 07:48:49 PM
Quote from: Bob on December 01, 2014, 10:58:57 PM
So theres still some more vehicles expected then?
Yes, in the new year and they will be an upgrade to 12 plate E200's
I thought they were 12plates that wednesfield are losing?
That is correct, which makes an upgraded vehicles age less than 2 years old.
Quote from: Solo1 on December 03, 2014, 01:03:01 PM
Have all the centro.s arrived at Wednesfield as there's reports of only 2 orv3 in service
3737 coming Sunday, 3732 and 3734 to come next week, 3735 due after xmas.
Quote from: BN on December 05, 2014, 06:07:39 PM
Quote from: Bob on December 02, 2014, 09:07:20 PM
Quote from: BN on December 02, 2014, 07:48:49 PM
Quote from: Bob on December 01, 2014, 10:58:57 PM
So theres still some more vehicles expected then?
Yes, in the new year and they will be an upgrade to 12 plate E200's
I thought they were 12plates that wednesfield are losing?
If your removing 12 plate enviros and replacing them with 12 plate enviros how is that an upgrade?
That is correct, which makes an upgraded vehicles age less than 2 years old.
Quote from: Bob on December 05, 2014, 07:07:39 PM
Quote from: BN on December 05, 2014, 06:07:39 PM
Quote from: Bob on December 02, 2014, 09:07:20 PM
Quote from: BN on December 02, 2014, 07:48:49 PM
Quote from: Bob on December 01, 2014, 10:58:57 PM
So theres still some more vehicles expected then?
Yes, in the new year and they will be an upgrade to 12 plate E200's
I thought they were 12plates that wednesfield are losing?
If your removing 12 plate enviros and replacing them with 12 plate enviros how is that an upgrade?
That is correct, which makes an upgraded vehicles age less than 2 years old.
I think that you may have misunderstood, he means that what is coming to Wednesfield, is going to be an upgrade, in comparison to the 12 plate E200's
Quote from: ARJ2901 on December 05, 2014, 08:07:43 PM
Quote from: Bob on December 05, 2014, 07:07:39 PM
Quote from: BN on December 05, 2014, 06:07:39 PM
Quote from: Bob on December 02, 2014, 09:07:20 PM
Quote from: BN on December 02, 2014, 07:48:49 PM
Quote from: Bob on December 01, 2014, 10:58:57 PM
So theres still some more vehicles expected then?
Yes, in the new year and they will be an upgrade to 12 plate E200's
I thought they were 12plates that wednesfield are losing?
If your removing 12 plate enviros and replacing them with 12 plate enviros how is that an upgrade?
That is correct, which makes an upgraded vehicles age less than 2 years old.
I think that you may have misunderstood, he means that what is coming to Wednesfield, is going to be an upgrade, in comparison to the 12 plate E200's
Correct, in a nutshell they will be newer.
Which centro's are out & on what service
There were 2 Lowlanders on the 10 this morning but 4718 was swapped for an X reg DLA, 4789 also on there
Solo1, 3739 is on the 9 (Willenhall-Walsall), & there was a Centro parked up by Walsall Bus Station, so i presume it was on the 35/35A
Quote from: Ashley on December 06, 2014, 12:38:38 PM
There were 2 Lowlanders on the 10 this morning but 4718 was swapped for an X reg DLA, 4789 also on there
There were two Lowlanders on this afternoon. One was 4719 and i can't remember the fleet no. of the other
3739 is todays bus on the 10
2147 on the 62 today which is the PM peak bus on the 10, plus a Solo on the 62A
For first time in a while, no DLA's on 10's. 4714 4715 and 4719 instead
Probably not for much longer
Quote from: Bob on December 12, 2014, 02:39:57 PM
Probably not for much longer
Which is a reference to what?
Errrrm the fact theres only gona be four deckers left there shortly.
What's on the 4 a today
2 centro's on the 9 service wonder if it's all centro's on there & is the 35/a the other route to have centro's on it
Just read a notice on 2112 saying that there is no service on Boxing Day. Are Arriva's tendered services operating? If so who is operating them?
Quote from: Bob on December 12, 2014, 09:03:34 PM
Errrrm the fact theres only gona be four deckers left there shortly.
which 4 deckers wil b left at Wednesfield & I take it this will happen in early January when the Amazon contract ends
What is the situation with Amazon?
Do they only require the likes of Arriva at certain times of the year?
Last time I discussed this, it was mentioned that someone else had the contract at the time but Arriva got the contract at some point.
Quote from: Westy on December 14, 2014, 02:06:28 PM
What is the situation with Amazon?
Do they only require the likes of Arriva at certain times of the year?
Last time I discussed this, it was mentioned that someone else had the contract at the time but Arriva got the contract at some point.
Amazon is a group of DD's that bring in the staff to the Regional Distribution Centre. It usually started about October time and finishes early Jan. We use about 6 DD's on it.
Regards
Quote from: Solo1 on December 14, 2014, 12:47:27 PM
Quote from: Bob on December 12, 2014, 09:03:34 PM
Errrrm the fact theres only gona be four deckers left there shortly.
which 4 deckers wil b left at Wednesfield & I take it this will happen in early January when the Amazon contract ends
The original 4 (4796, 4797, 4800, 4801)
Quote from: BN on December 14, 2014, 03:20:29 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on December 14, 2014, 12:47:27 PM
Quote from: Bob on December 12, 2014, 09:03:34 PM
Errrrm the fact theres only gona be four deckers left there shortly.
which 4 deckers wil b left at Wednesfield & I take it this will happen in early January when the Amazon contract ends
The original 4 (4796, 4797, 4800, 4801)
Any chance of Cannock getting a couple of spares so the 74/5 can actually run as a deckered route?
Bob, can you please make sure you place your text in the correct place when quoting, Winston
Quote from: Nathan on December 14, 2014, 11:20:31 AM
Just read a notice on 2112 saying that there is no service on Boxing Day. Are Arriva's tendered services operating? If so who is operating them?
Apparently Diamond are doing the 208/257...
Anyone know if there was summat wrong up by Lane Head earlier, as 2106 on the 326 followed the 28's route up to Mill St then turned down there to get to Lane Head TESCO
Sorry to ask again but are any Lowlanders or Centros out today? Cheers
Quote from: Ashley on December 20, 2014, 08:39:40 AM
Sorry to ask again but are any Lowlanders or Centros out today? Cheers
i seen lowlander on 10/A/B
It pulled back into bus station just after 5pm
2 weeks to go before lowlanders are withdrawn.
Quote from: BN on December 21, 2014, 01:30:33 PM
2 weeks to go before lowlanders are withdrawn.
From service completely or just from Wednesfield?
Quote from: Bob on December 21, 2014, 03:48:30 PM
Quote from: BN on December 21, 2014, 01:30:33 PM
2 weeks to go before lowlanders are withdrawn.
From service completely or just from Wednesfield?
Completely i believe.
Quote from: BN on December 21, 2014, 04:23:24 PM
Quote from: Bob on December 21, 2014, 03:48:30 PM
Quote from: BN on December 21, 2014, 01:30:33 PM
2 weeks to go before lowlanders are withdrawn.
From service completely or just from Wednesfield?
Completely i believe
Are they DDA? My novice view would be that they have resale value because they're decent enough motors, unless Bangor need more lol.
Arent the alx400s older?
Quote from: Bob on December 21, 2014, 04:42:18 PM
Arent the alx400s older?
Yes they are. You struggle getting body parts for the East Lancs.
Quote from: BN on December 21, 2014, 04:56:28 PM
Quote from: Bob on December 21, 2014, 04:42:18 PM
Arent the alx400s older?
Yes they are. You struggle getting body parts for the East Lancs.
ANE are doing the reverse-withdrawing S JUA alx400s and keeping the East Lancs ones which are in very good condition overall...
The alx ones have a really naff lower saloon seating arrangement
Quote from: Bob on December 21, 2014, 05:36:11 PM
The alx ones have a really naff lower saloon seating arrangement
You can say that again!
I couldn't see the rest of the lowlanders being scrapped though as they would be most likely to go for spares to other Arriva companies in my opinion.
It still annoys me every time I see it, despite it being the same for a while now, but the side destinations on the last 19 of the day show 'Blakenhall' rather than 'Blakenall'.
Helpfully, the service departed Walsall this evening 4 minutes early, leaving behind some customers who arrived before the scheduled 1820 departure.
Quote from: notepanel on December 22, 2014, 07:25:50 PM
It still annoys me every time I see it, despite it being the same for a while now, but the side destinations on the last 19 of the day show 'Blakenhall' rather than 'Blakenall'.
Helpfully, the service departed Walsall this evening 4 minutes early, leaving behind some customers who arrived before the scheduled 1820 departure.
Network West Midlands also have trouble spelling Blakenall as well.
You could report the early running on the Arriva Midlands West Facebook page, even if its just to get that badge of honour of Arriva 'asking' you to report it separately to their Customer Services via the 'special link'!
Noted 3734 on X35 this evening in Lichfield ,not sure how long its been at Wednesfield.
Quote from: tphi12000 on December 22, 2014, 09:59:43 PM
Noted 3734 on X35 this evening in Lichfield ,not sure how long its been at Wednesfield.
3732-3739 were transferred last month/this month
Quote from: Nathan on December 23, 2014, 09:14:34 AM
Quote from: tphi12000 on December 22, 2014, 09:59:43 PM
Noted 3734 on X35 this evening in Lichfield ,not sure how long its been at Wednesfield.
3732-3739 were transferred last month/this month
Still waiting for 3732 and 35.
Went on one of the e200's on the 35B earlier today. God these things are awful-the number of rattles at idle was pretty awful for a less than 3 year old bus! The MPDs rattle and vibrate way less than this and as for the interior-I swear there are way more handrails than seats. Why have a big buggy bay on a vehicle that size?! Overall, solos and MPDs seem far better than these and I can see why they are sending them back to Leicester!!
Noticed also the effort at promoting the 4A service with leaflets. Looks to have a PVR of 4. Anyone know how that's doing? How about the 530 started in the summer?
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 23, 2014, 06:41:40 PM
Went on one of the e200's on the 35B earlier today. God these things are awful-the number of rattles at idle was pretty awful for a less than 3 year old bus! The MPDs rattle and vibrate way less than this and as for the interior-I swear there are way more handrails than seats. Why have a big buggy bay on a vehicle that size?! Overall, solos and MPDs seem far better than these and I can see why they are sending them back to Leicester!!
Noticed also the effort at promoting the 4A service with leaflets. Looks to have a PVR of 4. Anyone know how that's doing? How about the 530 started in the summer?
Neither services are heaving. Seen a few ok loaded 4A's though. I don't know why they are using DD's on the 530! Certainly not needed on there
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 23, 2014, 06:41:40 PM
Went on one of the e200's on the 35B earlier today. God these things are awful-the number of rattles at idle was pretty awful for a less than 3 year old bus! The MPDs rattle and vibrate way less than this and as for the interior-I swear there are way more handrails than seats. Why have a big buggy bay on a vehicle that size?! Overall, solos and MPDs seem far better than these and I can see why they are sending them back to Leicester!!
Noticed also the effort at promoting the 4A service with leaflets. Looks to have a PVR of 4. Anyone know how that's doing? How about the 530 started in the summer?
Are you Bob in disguise?
The 530 is a handy link from cannock to bilston market if u get a 68/70 in, then its only a 15 min ride into bilston. Handy if you have a day saver. The most ive seens about 6 passengers but havent used it for about a month so might have picked up
Some of Wednesfields darts are despite being 51 plates not that rattly etc, but were refurbished. Cannocks 51 plates are absolutely shocking, BU51 KWM vibrates so badly the change is rattling!
Cannocks have been worked extremely hard though, probably on services they werent ever designed to run on, so its no surprise that theyre knackered. Its interesting how only one of the batch has been refurbished, & that was a few months ago, maybe theyve abandoned it for the rest of the batch?
Quote from: arrifirststage on December 23, 2014, 07:59:42 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on December 23, 2014, 06:41:40 PM
Went on one of the e200's on the 35B earlier today. God these things are awful-the number of rattles at idle was pretty awful for a less than 3 year old bus! The MPDs rattle and vibrate way less than this and as for the interior-I swear there are way more handrails than seats. Why have a big buggy bay on a vehicle that size?! Overall, solos and MPDs seem far better than these and I can see why they are sending them back to Leicester!!
Noticed also the effort at promoting the 4A service with leaflets. Looks to have a PVR of 4. Anyone know how that's doing? How about the 530 started in the summer?
Are you Bob in disguise?
Nope ;D
Thanks for info on 530/4A!
MPDs were never intended to be worked on interurban services though. These e200's have been on urban services for less than 3 years and yet they rattle like mad already ::)
Yep MPDs were designed as minibus replacements, thats why theyre utterly s###e on the routes arriva use them on most of the time.
Could the deckers be for schools and just on the 530 between them?
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 23, 2014, 08:44:42 PM
Could the deckers be for schools and just on the 530 between them?
I was thinking that but on Saturdays and this week when no one is at school?
Come to think of it it probably goes onto Amazon?
It looks like Wednesfield's had a good refurb before they came from London. Very well presented interior, and not heard of reliability issues.
Quote from: bususer12 on December 23, 2014, 09:27:33 PM
It looks like Wednesfield's had a good refurb before they came from London. Very well presented interior, and not heard of reliability issues.
I agree there-the LJ51 ones in particular look "as new".
Maybe they werent thrashed as much in London either. Y254 ( or 64) YBC at cannock is ok as is sno3 lgc /sn53 esg. Sn53 eso needs a refurb but otherwise not too bad. Fk52 mml was a nail not sure whether its still at cannock, and the 51 plates are diabolical. At least theres only three left now
Quote from: Bob on December 23, 2014, 09:31:25 PM
Fk52 mml was a nail not sure whether its still at cannock
Still there, snapped it last week
Arriva website said today would be a Saturday service, Network WM timetables specifically for today said there would be a 06:54 10a from Pattingham this morning.
I believed the NWM site and duly waited over an hour in the freezing cold.
Someone needs shooting.
Does anybody know if 4716 and 4718 are out today? Thanks
Quote from: Ashley on December 29, 2014, 11:11:42 AM
Does anybody know if 4716 and 4718 are out today? Thanks
They stopped briefly together at the Portobello buslayby in Willenhall about 15 mins ago!
anyone seen any lowlanders about pleased
any lowlanders about
when is last day of all Deckers at arriva
The seasonal Amazon services finish after last journey on 4th Jan, but not all deckers are leaving.
Quote from: 646 on January 02, 2015, 05:11:16 PM
The seasonal Amazon services finish after last journey on 4th Jan, but not all deckers are leaving.
what deckers are staying
Quote from: jack4325 on January 02, 2015, 05:25:47 PM
Quote from: 646 on January 02, 2015, 05:11:16 PM
The seasonal Amazon services finish after last journey on 4th Jan, but not all deckers are leaving.
what deckers are staying
All of them for a short while.
Anybody interested 3325, 3326, 3327, 3328, 3329 are in the yard at Wednesfield.
2288 V208 KDA also in service at Wednesfield.
Quote from: 646 on January 02, 2015, 05:53:15 PM
2288 V208 KDA also noted in service at Wednesfield.
On the 326 today
Quote from: BN on January 02, 2015, 05:51:05 PM
Anybody interested 3325, 3326, 3327, 3328, 3329 are in the yard at Wednesfield.
when will they enter service
Quote from: jack4325 on January 02, 2015, 05:57:05 PM
Quote from: BN on January 02, 2015, 05:51:05 PM
Anybody interested 3325, 3326, 3327, 3328, 3329 are in the yard at Wednesfield.
when will they enter service
End of this month.
Quote from: BN on January 02, 2015, 05:57:53 PM
Quote from: jack4325 on January 02, 2015, 05:57:05 PM
Quote from: BN on January 02, 2015, 05:51:05 PM
Anybody interested 3325, 3326, 3327, 3328, 3329 are in the yard at Wednesfield.
when will they enter service
End of this month.
cool
Quote from: BN on January 02, 2015, 05:38:10 PM
Quote from: jack4325 on January 02, 2015, 05:25:47 PM
Quote from: 646 on January 02, 2015, 05:11:16 PM
The seasonal Amazon services finish after last journey on 4th Jan, but not all deckers are leaving.
what deckers are staying
All of them for a short while.
Why cant Cannock have a spare decker?
I'm told the Liverpool Pulsars will be here in the next 10 days. I'm surprised Wednesfield are having Streetlites unless theyre being stored for Telford
Quote from: Bob on January 02, 2015, 06:13:18 PM
Quote from: BN on January 02, 2015, 05:38:10 PM
Quote from: jack4325 on January 02, 2015, 05:25:47 PM
Quote from: 646 on January 02, 2015, 05:11:16 PM
The seasonal Amazon services finish after last journey on 4th Jan, but not all deckers are leaving.
what deckers are staying
All of them for a short while.
Why cant Cannock have a spare decker?
Nobody has asked for one.
Quote from: Ashley on January 02, 2015, 06:56:32 PM
I'm told the Liverpool Pulsars will be here in the next 10 days. I'm surprised Wednesfield are having Streetlites unless theyre being stored for Telford
Who told you, if you don't mind me asking.
Quote from: BN on January 02, 2015, 05:51:05 PM
Anybody interested 3325, 3326, 3327, 3328, 3329 are in the yard at Wednesfield.
What service r these for
Those streetlites are for Telford . Being kept here until space is created at Telford depot
Quote from: staffsdave on January 02, 2015, 08:16:40 PM
Those streetlites are for Telford . Being kept here until space is created at Telford depot
thought it odd thanks
Quote from: Solo1 on January 02, 2015, 07:52:36 PM
Quote from: BN on January 02, 2015, 05:51:05 PM
Anybody interested 3325, 3326, 3327, 3328, 3329 are in the yard at Wednesfield.
What service r these for
11/12.
any deckers on 530 please
Quote from: Solo1 on January 02, 2015, 07:52:36 PM
Quote from: BN on January 02, 2015, 05:51:05 PM
Anybody interested 3325, 3326, 3327, 3328, 3329 are in the yard at Wednesfield.
What service r these for
Photos of them all are now on the main website
here is 3329 http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/3329.html
just click on the top left to go backwards through them
Noticed the 217 seems to have had mostly E200's recently. :)
Also some fairly decent loadings too of late seen around Merry Hill.
Quote from: Matt on January 03, 2015, 08:45:30 PM
Quote from: s94 on January 03, 2015, 08:43:19 PM
Noticed the 217 seems to have had mostly E200's recently. :)
Also some fairly decent loadings too of late seen around Merry Hill.
Has it? I've only seen Darts
Certainly not all the time. Though for most of the year I have only seen Darts. Only just recently I have noticed. Maybe just over Christmas period only.
Are the e200s still leaving wednesfield? ??
Quote from: Bob on January 03, 2015, 11:56:05 PM
Are the e200s still leaving wednesfield? ??
Some.
Werent they all originally supposed to be going? Whats changed
Quote from: Bob on January 04, 2015, 11:27:23 AM
Werent they all originally supposed to be going? Whats changed
Nothing has changed, who said they were all going?
Quote from: BN on January 04, 2015, 02:39:29 PM
Quote from: Bob on January 04, 2015, 11:27:23 AM
Werent they all originally supposed to be going? Whats changed
Nothing has changed, who said they were all going?
Just people making assumptions...
So how many are they losing then....
Quote from: Bob on January 04, 2015, 04:01:57 PM
So how many are they losing then....
5 I believe.
Todays 530 was a Centro. Usually an MPD
An additional Telford-bound Streetlite now at Wednesfield for storage is FJ64 EUT.
The first ex-North West Pulsars have also arrived at Wednesfield; MX13 ANP/R.
More due Monday.
dose anyone know the fleet numbers of the Deckard staying at wednsfield
Quote from: jack4325 on January 06, 2015, 08:51:31 PM
dose anyone know the fleet numbers of the Deckard staying at wednsfield
Mentions a few pages ago 4797, 4798, 4800, 4801 if that's still the case
Do you think arriva will open a small depot around dudley area to cut out the dead mileage from getting a bus from wednesfield to stourbridge/merry hill/dudley.
One of the original 4 ALX400 DB250's (4797/8/4800/1) is the late night 530 tonight
Quote from: Nathan on January 07, 2015, 06:34:13 PM
One of the original 4 ALX400 DB250's (4797/8/4800/1) is the late night 530 tonight
4798? you mean 4796.
Quote from: Ashley on January 06, 2015, 10:56:42 PM
Quote from: jack4325 on January 06, 2015, 08:51:31 PM
dose anyone know the fleet numbers of the Deckard staying at wednsfield
Mentions a few pages ago 4797, 4798, 4800, 4801 if that's still the case
4798? you mean 4796.
4714 just left bilston to rocket pool & another decker just left
to Wolverhampton 4716 also on 530
Quote from: Solo1 on January 08, 2015, 12:16:09 PM
4714 just left bilston to rocket pool & another decker just left
to Wolverhampton 4716 also on 530
Last day out for 4716.
4714 is on the 530 tonight. Seen in Wolverhampton Bus Station at 18:00
Quote from: BN on January 08, 2015, 06:40:46 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on January 08, 2015, 12:16:09 PM
4714 just left bilston to rocket pool & another decker just left
to Wolverhampton 4716 also on 530
Last day out for 4716.
Has 4718 gone as well?
Quote from: Ashley on January 08, 2015, 07:51:16 PM
Quote from: BN on January 08, 2015, 06:40:46 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on January 08, 2015, 12:16:09 PM
4714 just left bilston to rocket pool & another decker just left
to Wolverhampton 4716 also on 530
Last day out for 4716.
Has 4718 gone as well?
Yes, at Telford.
7 streelites in the yard when i passed at lunchtime ... can anyone help with id given that 6- 3325-9/31 have already been reported...thanks
Quote from: tphi12000 on January 09, 2015, 06:18:14 PM
7 streelites in the yard when i passed at lunchtime ... can anyone help with id given that 6- 3325-9/31 have already been reported...thanks
3332 delivered yesterday.
3800 and 3801 will make there maiden voyages tomorrow on the 4.
What will be on the X60 monday?
Quote from: Bob on January 09, 2015, 08:01:18 PM
What will be on the X60 monday?
Not run from Wednesfield.
Jesus dont get your wig wet! Ill put it under Cannock or if were going to be OCD do I need to put it under tamworth as well. ...
Quote from: Nathan on January 09, 2015, 08:04:11 PM
Quote from: Bob on January 09, 2015, 08:01:18 PM
What will be on the X60 monday?
How does that relate to Wednesfield Garage in any way?
As far as I know there are only three moderators on here
Quote from: BN on January 09, 2015, 07:55:52 PM
3800 and 3801 will make there maiden voyages tomorrow on the 4.
i didn't see either 3800/1 on 4 yesterday
3801 might have made its maiden voyage on the 35/41/77 today
Spotted a Pulsar on the 4A about an hour ago
Quote from: Ashley on January 12, 2015, 10:34:02 AM
Spotted a Pulsar on the 4A about an hour ago
noted 3800 on the 4A at Penderford around 11.00
What services r the pulsars found on from Wednesfield depot
Quote from: Solo1 on January 16, 2015, 07:36:15 AM
What services r the pulsars found on from Wednesfield depot
So far, the 4A and 35/41/77*, as only two are there yet, and those are the only services I know they've been on
* Evening & Sundays only
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 16, 2015, 07:51:35 AM
Quote from: Solo1 on January 16, 2015, 07:36:15 AM
What services r the pulsars found on from Wednesfield depot
So far, the 4A and 35/41/77*, as only two are there yet, and those are the only services I know they've been on
* Evening & Sundays only
3801 was on the 35/Lichfield 29 on Wednesday
https://www.flickr.com/photos/60536068@N07/16092687720/
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 16, 2015, 07:51:35 AM
Quote from: Solo1 on January 16, 2015, 07:36:15 AM
What services r the pulsars found on from Wednesfield depot
So far, the 4A and 35/41/77*, as only two are there yet, and those are the only services I know they've been on
* Evening & Sundays only
when will the other pulsars be coming unless they r only having 2
There was another in the yard at lunch time unfortunately I only noted the F at the end of the reg so could be either 3799 or 3802.
No, all of Wednesfield's are now on site:
3800 MX13 ANP
3801 MX13 ANR
3802 MX13 AKF
3803 MX13 AKG
Where are the remainder going?
Quote from: Bob on January 17, 2015, 02:37:05 AM
Where are the remainder going?
Thurmaston have taken delivery of 3804, Shrewsbury and Cannock will also benefit.
R all the pulsars out today on 4a service
Quote from: BN on January 17, 2015, 10:03:02 AM
Quote from: Bob on January 17, 2015, 02:37:05 AM
Where are the remainder going?
Thurmaston have taken delivery of 3804, Shrewsbury and Cannock will also benefit.
How many are cannock getting? All for the X60?
Quote from: Solo1 on January 17, 2015, 10:32:37 AM
R all the pulsars out today on 4a service
No you will find them on the 35.
Quote from: Bob on January 17, 2015, 10:47:05 AM
Quote from: BN on January 17, 2015, 10:03:02 AM
Quote from: Bob on January 17, 2015, 02:37:05 AM
Where are the remainder going?
Thurmaston have taken delivery of 3804, Shrewsbury and Cannock will also benefit.
How many are cannock getting? All for the X60?
I think its about half a dozen, I don't know where they will be allocated.
Thurmaston's DAF Commander 3706 is understood to have moved onto to Wednesfield today with 4789 coming back this way.
DAF Lowlander 4718 is now back at South Wigston on the 44a today (have anymore lowlanders departed Wednesfield back to SW?)
Quote from: stuartn on January 17, 2015, 03:24:43 PM
Thurmaston's DAF Commander 3706 is understood to have moved onto to Wednesfield today with 4789 coming back this way.
DAF Lowlander 4718 is now back at South Wigston on the 44a today (have anymore lowlanders departed Wednesfield back to SW?)
Back into reserve fleet 4714, 4715, 4716
1 of the 4 pulsars was out today on the 4A service wonder where the other 3 were https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/15680221994/
@Solo1 one of them was on the 35/35A, but not a clue with the others
Is 4787 still in service at Wednesfield?
Quote from: John on January 18, 2015, 02:33:51 PM
Is 4787 still in service at Wednesfield?
Last reported back at Telford
Quote from: John on January 18, 2015, 02:33:51 PM
Is 4787 still in service at Wednesfield?
Don't think so, the only deckers now are 4796(or 98)/4797/4800/4801 and 4854 parked up, assumedly withdrawn
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 18, 2015, 06:25:05 PM
Quote from: John on January 18, 2015, 02:33:51 PM
Is 4787 still in service at Wednesfield?
Don't think so, the only deckers now are 4796(or 98)/4797/4800/4801 and 4854 parked up, assumedly withdrawn
See above your post. It has already been stated that 4787 is at Telford, And with 4714/5/6 in reserve I suspect you're right.
Quote from: stuartn on January 17, 2015, 03:24:43 PM
Thurmaston's DAF Commander 3706 is understood to have moved onto to Wednesfield today with 4789 coming back this way.
DAF Lowlander 4718 is now back at South Wigston on the 44a today (have anymore lowlanders departed Wednesfield back to SW?)
Hope its in a better state than 3705 which came to cannock from there! It wasn't the best to say the least! Although 3707 was a lot better, refurbished and doesn't sound completely s#####d
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 18, 2015, 06:25:05 PM
Quote from: John on January 18, 2015, 02:33:51 PM
Is 4787 still in service at Wednesfield?
Don't think so, the only deckers now are 4796(or 98)/4797/4800/4801 and 4854 parked up, assumedly withdrawn
On fleet 4719, 4796, 4797, 4800, 4801.
Withdrawn on site 4851.
3802 on the 35 if anybody is looking
Quote from: Ashley on January 19, 2015, 02:31:14 PM
3802 on the 35 if anybody is looking
So is the 35 and 4A then best places to look for these buses? Their regular routes I mean
Quote from: John on January 19, 2015, 04:21:16 PM
Quote from: Ashley on January 19, 2015, 02:31:14 PM
3802 on the 35 if anybody is looking
So is the 35 and 4A then best places to look for these buses? Their regular routes I mean
Try the 4A, 9, 19, 29 and 35, those are your best chances, maybe the 10 and 530 but its pot luck trying to find the ones you need eg I need 3706 3732 3802 3803 but sods law says I wouldn't get all four in a day unless I had help and luck
Quote from: Ashley on January 19, 2015, 06:22:40 PM
Quote from: John on January 19, 2015, 04:21:16 PM
Quote from: Ashley on January 19, 2015, 02:31:14 PM
3802 on the 35 if anybody is looking
So is the 35 and 4A then best places to look for these buses? Their regular routes I mean
Try the 4A, 9, 19, 29 and 35, those are your best chances, maybe the 10 and 530 but its pot luck trying to find the ones you need eg I need 3706 3732 3802 3803 but sods law says I wouldn't get all four in a day unless I had help and luck
Have ones appeared on the 9 & 19 then?
If so, then i missed one hell of a sight! >:(
I don't understand why theyre being used on the lichfield services so much. Hardly a busy route
Quote from: Bob on January 19, 2015, 06:35:01 PM
I don't understand why theyre being used on the lichfield services so much. Hardly a busy route
And 4719 is still hanging in there on the 530.
Also 4786 left Wolverhampton full upstairs and downstairs on the 10 this afternoon. Goes to show double deckers are warranted on that route.
Definitely not warranted on the 530 tho.
Quote from: Bob on January 19, 2015, 06:35:01 PM
I don't understand why theyre being used on the lichfield services so much. Hardly a busy route
Nothing to do with the Enviros being taken off due to overcrowding then Bob?
What trips are overcrowded? The peak one going into lichfield in a morning ( X35 at muckley corner) never has anyone on? I see it going to work. Never seen many on in the day either. Unless it suddenly gets rammed going toward walsall? Yet after a point its competing with nx routes
Quote from: Ashley on January 19, 2015, 06:22:40 PM
Quote from: John on January 19, 2015, 04:21:16 PM
Quote from: Ashley on January 19, 2015, 02:31:14 PM
3802 on the 35 if anybody is looking
So is the 35 and 4A then best places to look for these buses? Their regular routes I mean
Try the 4A, 9, 19, 29 and 35, those are your best chances, maybe the 10 and 530 but its pot luck trying to find the ones you need eg I need 3706 3732 3802 3803 but sods law says I wouldn't get all four in a day unless I had help and luck
Thanks Ashley. Has anyone seen any ex NW Pulsars out today yet?
Quote from: John on January 20, 2015, 08:35:09 AM
Quote from: Ashley on January 19, 2015, 06:22:40 PM
Quote from: John on January 19, 2015, 04:21:16 PM
Quote from: Ashley on January 19, 2015, 02:31:14 PM
3802 on the 35 if anybody is looking
So is the 35 and 4A then best places to look for these buses? Their regular routes I mean
Try the 4A, 9, 19, 29 and 35, those are your best chances, maybe the 10 and 530 but its pot luck trying to find the ones you need eg I need 3706 3732 3802 3803 but sods law says I wouldn't get all four in a day unless I had help and luck
Thanks Ashley. Has anyone seen any ex NW Pulsars out today yet?
There's one on the 530 if that helps
Quote from: Bob on January 19, 2015, 10:24:15 PM
What trips are overcrowded? The peak one going into lichfield in a morning ( X35 at muckley corner) never has anyone on? I see it going to work. Never seen many on in the day either. Unless it suddenly gets rammed going toward walsall? Yet after a point its competing with nx routes
Caught the morning X35 from walsall once on a trip out and about via Lichfield, bus was rammed full of schoolkids and they all got off at shire oak
Quote from: John on January 20, 2015, 08:35:09 AM
Quote from: Ashley on January 19, 2015, 06:22:40 PM
Quote from: John on January 19, 2015, 04:21:16 PM
Quote from: Ashley on January 19, 2015, 02:31:14 PM
3802 on the 35 if anybody is looking
So is the 35 and 4A then best places to look for these buses? Their regular routes I mean
Try the 4A, 9, 19, 29 and 35, those are your best chances, maybe the 10 and 530 but its pot luck trying to find the ones you need eg I need 3706 3732 3802 3803 but sods law says I wouldn't get all four in a day unless I had help and luck
Thanks Ashley. Has anyone seen any ex NW Pulsars out today yet?
3800 is on 18
Quote from: jack4325 on January 20, 2015, 12:11:01 PM
Quote from: John on January 20, 2015, 08:35:09 AM
Quote from: Ashley on January 19, 2015, 06:22:40 PM
Quote from: John on January 19, 2015, 04:21:16 PM
Quote from: Ashley on January 19, 2015, 02:31:14 PM
3802 on the 35 if anybody is looking
So is the 35 and 4A then best places to look for these buses? Their regular routes I mean
Try the 4A, 9, 19, 29 and 35, those are your best chances, maybe the 10 and 530 but its pot luck trying to find the ones you need eg I need 3706 3732 3802 3803 but sods law says I wouldn't get all four in a day unless I had help and luck
Thanks Ashley. Has anyone seen any ex NW Pulsars out today yet?
3800 is on 18
Thanks all. I found 3. The one on the 530 and there was 2 on the 35
Quote from: jack4325 on January 20, 2015, 12:11:01 PM
Quote from: John on January 20, 2015, 08:35:09 AM
Quote from: Ashley on January 19, 2015, 06:22:40 PM
Quote from: John on January 19, 2015, 04:21:16 PM
Quote from: Ashley on January 19, 2015, 02:31:14 PM
3802 on the 35 if anybody is looking
So is the 35 and 4A then best places to look for these buses? Their regular routes I mean
Try the 4A, 9, 19, 29 and 35, those are your best chances, maybe the 10 and 530 but its pot luck trying to find the ones you need eg I need 3706 3732 3802 3803 but sods law says I wouldn't get all four in a day unless I had help and luck
Thanks Ashley. Has anyone seen any ex NW Pulsars out today yet?
3800 is on 18
Well-spotted; it just operated one trip to cover for the usual vehicle which runs off service 837 - held up at Penkridge.
Pulsars on the 19, 35 and 530 today plus 3706 on the 4A
Does anybody know if 3732 and 3803 are out today? Thanks
Any idea why 2125 was on the 57 earlier (trip i saw was the one that arrives in Wednesfield @0745), but around 1700 was on the 10?
What pulsars r out today & on what services
Quote from: Solo1 on January 24, 2015, 06:36:51 AM
What pulsars r out today & on what services
try 530 4A 19
Quote from: jack4325 on January 24, 2015, 08:33:55 AM
Quote from: Solo1 on January 24, 2015, 06:36:51 AM
What pulsars r out today & on what services
try 530 4A 19
35 corridor and the Lichfield Circular which interworks with it also.
Quote from: Nathan on January 24, 2015, 09:01:10 AM
Quote from: jack4325 on January 24, 2015, 08:33:55 AM
Quote from: Solo1 on January 24, 2015, 06:36:51 AM
What pulsars r out today & on what services
try 530 4A 19
35 corridor and the Lichfield Circular which interworks with it also.
Correct Nathan, normal allocation is 35 R/C's.
@Solo1 3800 is on the 35 today, just saw it in Walsall
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 24, 2015, 09:32:49 AM
@Solo1 3800 is on the 35 today, just saw it in Walsall
3803 will be on the 35, it is currently in Lichfield just waiting to leave on the 29, so will do the 1141 35 from Lichfield into Walsall at 1230
Where is 3801 today
E200 2144 has apparently been moved over to Thurmaston with more expected to replace the MPD's.
Quote from: stuartn on January 24, 2015, 06:02:36 PM
E200 2144 has apparently been moved over to Thurmaston with more expected to replace the MPD's.
Are Thurmastons mpds going to be withdrawn or resurface elsewhere for further service?
Quote from: Matt on January 25, 2015, 12:52:08 PM
2145 is parked up lifeless at the bottom of Drews Holloway facing towards Halesowen, completely abandoned no driver nearby
I would think the 13, great start to a new service!
And how do you know this is affecting service?
Quote from: Bob on January 25, 2015, 01:36:50 PM
Quote from: stuartn on January 24, 2015, 06:02:36 PM
E200 2144 has apparently been moved over to Thurmaston with more expected to replace the MPD's.
Are Thurmastons mpds going to be withdrawn or resurface elsewhere for further service?
I think the MPDs aren't DDA compliant so would probably be withdrawn.
Quote from: stuartn on January 25, 2015, 02:10:08 PM
Quote from: Bob on January 25, 2015, 01:36:50 PM
Quote from: stuartn on January 24, 2015, 06:02:36 PM
E200 2144 has apparently been moved over to Thurmaston with more expected to replace the MPD's.
Are Thurmastons mpds going to be withdrawn or resurface elsewhere for further service?
I think the MPDs aren't DDA compliant so would probably be withdrawn.
Really I thought they were
Just out of interest what makes a low floor bus non compliant? Ive always wondered
Do some older mpds have them?
Quote from: Matt on January 25, 2015, 05:38:42 PM
Quote from: Bob on January 25, 2015, 05:37:53 PM
Just out of interest what makes a low floor bus non compliant? Ive always wondered
No ramp
There are other factors too.
Sorry to rant here, but this warrants it:
The driver of 3802 on the 1750 41 ex Walsall & 1829 41 ex Willenhall, ran slightly late arriving in Willenhall at 1831. So anyway, as i went to get back on, the driver shut the doors (with me in them >:(), and then when a passenger wanted to get on at the same time, the driver pulled off and said ''F**k him, he should've been here on time, with the other passenger, an elderly gentleman saying loudly to the driver ''That's just being nasty, asking me if i had a pen and paper, i said no, but told him the fleet number of the bus, then got off, thinking ''How come it's fine for you to be late with no one moaning, but when a passenger might, god forbid, delay you for 30 seconds, it's perfectly acceptable for you to say ''Oh, f**k him'', you idiotic hypocrite?''
I know this is unacceptable behaviour for any bus company, let alone one as big as Arriva, but do i complain to the company, who probably won't do anything about, dismissing me as a liar or go through another channel?
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 25, 2015, 07:03:23 PM
Sorry to rant here, but this warrants it:
The driver of 3802 on the 1750 41 ex Walsall & 1829 41 ex Willenhall, ran slightly late arriving in Willenhall at 1831. So anyway, as i went to get back on, the driver shut the doors (with me in them >:(), and then when a passenger wanted to get on at the same time, the driver pulled off and said ''F**k him, he should've been here on time, with the other passenger, an elderly gentleman saying loudly to the driver ''That's just being nasty, asking me if i had a pen and paper, i said no, but told him the fleet number of the bus, then got off, thinking ''How come it's fine for you to be late with no one moaning, but when a passenger might, god forbid, delay you for 30 seconds, it's perfectly acceptable for you to say ''Oh, f**k him'', you idiotic hypocrite?''
I know this is unacceptable behaviour for any bus company, let alone one as big as Arriva, but do i complain to the company, who probably won't do anything about, dismissing me as a liar or go through another channel?
Yes, I think you should. There should be working CCTV for Arriva to examine.
@fleetline6477 Have now reported it to Arriva
Quote from: Matt on January 25, 2015, 06:56:41 PM
Quote from: 646 on January 25, 2015, 06:48:33 PM
Quote from: Matt on January 25, 2015, 05:38:42 PM
Quote from: Bob on January 25, 2015, 05:37:53 PM
Just out of interest what makes a low floor bus non compliant? Ive always wondered
No ramp
There are other factors too.
Ability to kneel and wheelchair space ?
Yes, apparently destination displays, handrails and bus stopping signs come into it. I'm sure it was discussed on here a few months back
And ironing boards too...
Bloody hell Its mad how much there is. Must cost a fortune. Could it poss put some smaller operators out of business? Crazy when you think that in the 90s Cannocks interurban routes that didn't have deckers were being run by Tigers with loads of steps or on a lesser note nationals. Far better busesthan any mpd though. Well, for the ambulant passenger that is. Not if your in a wheelchair
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 25, 2015, 08:32:25 PM
@fleetline6477 Have now reported it to Arriva
Did you report it via Facebook, because all they'll do is provide you with a link to Customer Services!
(And if you are a regular reader of the Facebook page, there is some debate whether that link is any use or not!)
@Westy No, i reported it via Arriva's website
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 25, 2015, 07:03:23 PM
Sorry to rant here, but this warrants it:
The driver of 3802 on the 1750 41 ex Walsall & 1829 41 ex Willenhall, ran slightly late arriving in Willenhall at 1831. So anyway, as i went to get back on, the driver shut the doors (with me in them >:(), and then when a passenger wanted to get on at the same time, the driver pulled off and said ''F**k him, he should've been here on time, with the other passenger, an elderly gentleman saying loudly to the driver ''That's just being nasty, asking me if i had a pen and paper, i said no, but told him the fleet number of the bus, then got off, thinking ''How come it's fine for you to be late with no one moaning, but when a passenger might, god forbid, delay you for 30 seconds, it's perfectly acceptable for you to say ''Oh, f**k him'', you idiotic hypocrite?''
I know this is unacceptable behaviour for any bus company, let alone one as big as Arriva, but do i complain to the company, who probably won't do anything about, dismissing me as a liar or go through another channel?
Not saying it is ever acceptable but the driver may have looked at it this way. The bus was already late, if the passenger wasn't at the stop when the bus was due, he had already missed the bus. I know some companies have a policy that when the door is closed it isn't reopened. But that is no excuse for the language used and certainly isn't the best customer service.
Quote from: Matt on January 25, 2015, 10:21:41 PM
Quote from: Andrew on January 25, 2015, 10:08:33 PM
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 25, 2015, 07:03:23 PM
Sorry to rant here, but this warrants it:
The driver of 3802 on the 1750 41 ex Walsall & 1829 41 ex Willenhall, ran slightly late arriving in Willenhall at 1831. So anyway, as i went to get back on, the driver shut the doors (with me in them >:(), and then when a passenger wanted to get on at the same time, the driver pulled off and said ''F**k him, he should've been here on time, with the other passenger, an elderly gentleman saying loudly to the driver ''That's just being nasty, asking me if i had a pen and paper, i said no, but told him the fleet number of the bus, then got off, thinking ''How come it's fine for you to be late with no one moaning, but when a passenger might, god forbid, delay you for 30 seconds, it's perfectly acceptable for you to say ''Oh, f**k him'', you idiotic hypocrite?''
I know this is unacceptable behaviour for any bus company, let alone one as big as Arriva, but do i complain to the company, who probably won't do anything about, dismissing me as a liar or go through another channel?
Not saying it is ever acceptable but the driver may have looked at it this way. The bus was already late, if the passenger wasn't at the stop when the bus was due, he had already missed the bus. I know some companies have a policy that when the door is closed it isn't reopened. But that is no excuse for the language used and certainly isn't the best customer service.
I believe NX policy is that once indicator is on right, they are not supposed to cancel & pick up any stragglers
Yes I think that must be NX policy, I hate the people that bang on the doors to get the drivers attention
2140 has now made the move over to Thurmaston depot.
2703, 2704, 3706 (already mentioned) now at Wednesfield.
I'll do a small summary.
IN: 2703, 2704, 3706, 3800, 3801, 3802, 3803.
OUT: 2140, 2141, 2143, 2144, 2563, 4714, 4715, 4716, 4718, 4789.
A lot of changes the weekend to come.
Quote from: ARJ2901 on January 25, 2015, 07:03:23 PM
Sorry to rant here, but this warrants it:
The driver of 3802 on the 1750 41 ex Walsall & 1829 41 ex Willenhall, ran slightly late arriving in Willenhall at 1831. So anyway, as i went to get back on, the driver shut the doors (with me in them >:(), and then when a passenger wanted to get on at the same time, the driver pulled off and said ''F**k him, he should've been here on time, with the other passenger, an elderly gentleman saying loudly to the driver ''That's just being nasty, asking me if i had a pen and paper, i said no, but told him the fleet number of the bus, then got off, thinking ''How come it's fine for you to be late with no one moaning, but when a passenger might, god forbid, delay you for 30 seconds, it's perfectly acceptable for you to say ''Oh, f**k him'', you idiotic hypocrite?''
I know this is unacceptable behaviour for any bus company, let alone one as big as Arriva, but do i complain to the company, who probably won't do anything about, dismissing me as a liar or go through another channel?
Ok, so i complained to the company about what happened, and this is the response i got this morning:
Good Morning
Thank you for your email. This service 41 is ran by NX bus company. Please email Customer Services again if you have any further enquires.
Regards
Nisha Shivshanker
Customer Service AdvisorI actually give up on Arriva now, ughh :(
Leave a comment on Arriva Facebook saying 'Is there anyone there who actually knows the West Midlands network as this guy clearly doesnt?'
What about copying Centro in on a reply?
The enviros have had revised Not In Service displays
2705 the latest addition to the fleet.
2703 now in service. On the 530 today
Quote from: BN on January 29, 2015, 07:49:49 PM
2705 the latest addition to the fleet.
noted on the 4A earlier today
Looking for 2703 2704 2705 3801 what service are these on today thanks
here is 2 of the latest at Wednesfield 3706 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16226265807/ 2705 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16224817550/
why were the 4 envrios moved out &I thought the low landeers were to be withdrawn as I saw 1 on 19 today
Quote from: Solo1 on January 31, 2015, 07:39:10 PM
here is 2 of the latest at Wednesfield 3706 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16226265807/ 2705 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16224817550/
The commander is a shed
Quote from: Bob on February 01, 2015, 12:27:37 AM
Quote from: Solo1 on January 31, 2015, 07:39:10 PM
here is 2 of the latest at Wednesfield 3706 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16226265807/ 2705 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16224817550/
The commander is a shed
Have you drove that one Bob? You might say its a shed but no driver complaints so far, you must be mistaken.
Quote from: Solo1 on January 31, 2015, 10:35:57 PM
why were the 4 envrios moved out &I thought the low landeers were to be withdrawn as I saw 1 on 19 today
5 Enviros have left 2140-2144. They have gone over to Leicester to upgrade a route in Coalville I believe.
You won't see 4719 for much longer.
Quote from: BN on February 01, 2015, 08:05:25 AM
Quote from: Bob on February 01, 2015, 12:27:37 AM
Quote from: Solo1 on January 31, 2015, 07:39:10 PM
here is 2 of the latest at Wednesfield 3706 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16226265807/ 2705 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16224817550/
The commander is a shed
Have you drove that one Bob? You might say its a shed but no driver complaints so far, you must be mistaken.
Ive heard it and seen the state of its interior...doesnt look or sound good...me and my mate were on a re trimmed y-hke dart on the 530 on Friday, it was shocking, the brakes screeched loudly and the gearbox was frightening! On the way back into town it was S212 JUA. is that going to be around much longer considering its age? Are deckers used on there for any particular reason? Ie cos thdy go on something else after? Cos the loads sure don't warrant one
2707 has now joined the fleet.
2714 and 2715 have left for Stafford.
Quote from: Bob on February 01, 2015, 09:50:50 AM
Quote from: BN on February 01, 2015, 08:05:25 AM
Quote from: Bob on February 01, 2015, 12:27:37 AM
Quote from: Solo1 on January 31, 2015, 07:39:10 PM
here is 2 of the latest at Wednesfield 3706 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16226265807/ 2705 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16224817550/
The commander is a shed
Have you drove that one Bob? You might say its a shed but no driver complaints so far, you must be mistaken.
Ive heard it and seen the state of its interior...doesnt look or sound good...me and my mate were on a re trimmed y-hke dart on the 530 on Friday, it was shocking, the brakes screeched loudly and the gearbox was frightening! On the way back into town it was S212 JUA. is that going to be around much longer considering its age? Are deckers used on there for any particular reason? Ie cos thdy go on something else after? Cos the loads sure don't warrant one
I dont think 4786 will be round much longer. Which Y-HKE were you on?
Quote from: BN on February 01, 2015, 09:53:09 AM
2707 has now joined the fleet.
2714 and 2715 have left for Stafford.
what happaning to 2722
Quote from: jack4325 on February 01, 2015, 12:55:08 PM
Quote from: BN on February 01, 2015, 09:53:09 AM
2707 has now joined the fleet.
2714 and 2715 have left for Stafford.
what happaning to 2722
Still at Wednesfield on the 530 today
@BN I didnt note the fleet number. It had a re trimmed interior although that doesn't narrow it down much and was onthe 530 on friday aabout 415 pm ish. It was really poor, almost as bad as BU51 KWM at cannock which stafford have now got to suffer. Horrendous screeching brakes, and that dart thing where the gearbox cant decide and you sort of rock back and forth while it changes. Sounded incredibly rough. S212 JUA didn't sound too good either but made up for it with its non standard lower deck seating.
Quote from: Nathan on February 01, 2015, 03:15:03 PM
Quote from: jack4325 on February 01, 2015, 12:55:08 PM
Quote from: BN on February 01, 2015, 09:53:09 AM
2707 has now joined the fleet.
2714 and 2715 have left for Stafford.
what happaning to 2722
Still at Wednesfield on the 530 today
thanks nathan for that :)
i ment to say is it staying at wedensfield
Quote from: BN on January 28, 2015, 06:47:52 PM
I'll do a small summary.
IN: 2703, 2704, 3706, 3800, 3801, 3802, 3803.
OUT: 2140, 2141, 2143, 2144, 2563, 4714, 4715, 4716, 4718, 4789.
A lot of changes the weekend to come.
what are the other changes
Quote from: Solo1 on February 01, 2015, 07:34:12 PM
Quote from: BN on January 28, 2015, 06:47:52 PM
I'll do a small summary.
IN: 2703, 2704, 3706, 3800, 3801, 3802, 3803.
OUT: 2140, 2141, 2143, 2144, 2563, 4714, 4715, 4716, 4718, 4789.
A lot of changes the weekend to come.
what are the other changes
Mark.... FFS Give people a break. BN tells us things as they happen and some in advance. You get a summary at the end of every month of Arriva changes. If you haven't noticed you are very lucky on here that people from Arriva, Rotala, and NX all tell you everything almost as it happens. Questions very rarely get extra information.
Quote from: BN on February 01, 2015, 08:09:31 AM
Quote from: Solo1 on January 31, 2015, 10:35:57 PM
why were the 4 envrios moved out &I thought the low landeers were to be withdrawn as I saw 1 on 19 today
5 Enviros have left 2140-2144. They have gone over to Leicester to upgrade a route in Coalville I believe.
You won't see 4719 for much longer.
Correct, they're for the Coalville town services.
Where's 4719 destined for?
2722 was destined for stafford
2140/1/2/4 are at Thurmaston, 2143 is still outstanding but may be at MRC in Derby on route as I understand there is something that needs collecting from there.
Quote from: stuartn on February 01, 2015, 08:47:17 PM
Quote from: BN on February 01, 2015, 08:09:31 AM
Quote from: Solo1 on January 31, 2015, 10:35:57 PM
why were the 4 envrios moved out &I thought the low landeers were to be withdrawn as I saw 1 on 19 today
5 Enviros have left 2140-2144. They have gone over to Leicester to upgrade a route in Coalville I believe.
You won't see 4719 for much longer.
Correct, they're for the Coalville town services.
Where's 4719 destined for?
And 3706 was perfectly alright at Thurmaston until it moved!
Quote from: BN on February 01, 2015, 08:05:25 AM
Quote from: Bob on February 01, 2015, 12:27:37 AM
Quote from: Solo1 on January 31, 2015, 07:39:10 PM
here is 2 of the latest at Wednesfield 3706 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16226265807/ 2705 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16224817550/
The commander is a shed
Have you drove that one Bob? You might say its a shed but no driver complaints so far, you must be mistaken.
Quote from: andyallen4014 on February 03, 2015, 05:20:06 PM
And 3706 was perfectly alright at Thurmaston until it moved!
Quote from: BN on February 01, 2015, 08:05:25 AM
Quote from: Bob on February 01, 2015, 12:27:37 AM
Quote from: Solo1 on January 31, 2015, 07:39:10 PM
here is 2 of the latest at Wednesfield 3706 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16226265807/ 2705 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16224817550/
The commander is a shed
It looks and sounds on a par with 3705 & thats awful!
Have you drove that one Bob? You might say its a shed but no driver complaints so far, you must be mistaken.
SK52 MLE and SN03 LGE now at Wednesfield.
2268 SK52 MLE
2211 SN03 LGE
2 arrivals from Wardles to Wednesfield Loads of buses moving around this month
Quote from: andyallen4014 on February 03, 2015, 05:19:02 PM
2140/1/2/4 are at Thurmaston, 2143 is still outstanding but may be at MRC in Derby on route as I understand there is something that needs collecting from there.
Quote from: stuartn on February 01, 2015, 08:47:17 PM
Quote from: BN on February 01, 2015, 08:09:31 AM
Quote from: Solo1 on January 31, 2015, 10:35:57 PM
why were the 4 envrios moved out &I thought the low landeers were to be withdrawn as I saw 1 on 19 today
5 Enviros have left 2140-2144. They have gone over to Leicester to upgrade a route in Coalville I believe.
You won't see 4719 for much longer.
Correct, they're for the Coalville town services.
Where's 4719 destined for?
Reserve fleet.
What service r 2703 2704 2707 2211 2268 on today
Thanks
@Solo1 2268 is on the 326 today, past in New Invention around 0925 towards Bloxwich
2703 found on 530 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16440379216/
Yj57 Azn on the 35, knackered diff never got fixed from its cannock days. ..
2704 on 9 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16464678461/
Quote from: Alex on February 07, 2015, 01:26:24 PM
@Solo1 2268 is on the 326 today, past in New Invention around 0925 towards Bloxwich
2268 in bilston https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/15846331163/
2707 https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16280153249/in/photostream/lightbox/
3732 the last Centro coming over today.
Does anyone know which dart did the 1740 142 from Halesowen to Stourbridge
Quote from: Matt on February 08, 2015, 08:27:35 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 08, 2015, 07:00:47 PM
Does anyone know which dart did the 1740 142 from Halesowen to Stourbridge
Do you mean Stourbridge to Halesowen? It was an Enviro.
Yeah i meant that way round. It was a pointer (should have come off the 1645 Dudley to Stourbridge 257)
Another new recruit in the shape of 2732, more to come.
Quote from: BN on February 09, 2015, 06:21:24 PM
Another new recruit in the shape of 2732, more to come.
Could cannock be about to lose their cadets?? Hopefully BU03 HRK will be next. ...
2701 now at Wednesfield.
3800 now left for Thurmaston.
Quote from: BN on February 11, 2015, 06:23:10 PM
3800 now left for Thurmaston.
Are Wednesfield losing their Pulsars then?
Should have been swapped for 3721 I believe
Quote from: BN on February 11, 2015, 06:23:10 PM
3800 now left for Thurmaston.
didn't last long then at Wednesfield did it
Quote from: andyallen4014 on February 12, 2015, 05:05:56 AM
Should have been swapped for 3721 I believe
Swapped for 2701 from Cannock. Cannock have had 3721.
Are cannock losing all cadets then?
Saw 4719 going down A4124 Lichfield Rd in Wednesfield (By Gala Bingo) going towards garage. Is this still in service at Wednesfield?
Quote from: Bob on February 01, 2015, 04:24:00 PM
@BN I didnt note the fleet number. It had a re trimmed interior although that doesn't narrow it down much and was onthe 530 on friday aabout 415 pm ish. It was really poor, almost as bad as BU51 KWM at cannock which stafford have now got to suffer. Horrendous screeching brakes, and that dart thing where the gearbox cant decide and you sort of rock back and forth while it changes. Sounded incredibly rough. S212 JUA didn't sound too good either but made up for it with its non standard lower deck seating.
Sorry its abit late but 2107 is the Y-HKE Bob is referring to with squeaky brakes
And rough engine and jerky gearbox. Its a state
Quote from: Nathan on February 13, 2015, 12:20:47 PM
Saw 4719 going down A4124 Lichfield Rd in Wednesfield (By Gala Bingo) going towards garage. Is this still in service at Wednesfield?
Its last day in service was today. It will make the long trip north to Rhyl the weekend.
3802 has now left for Thurmaston.
Were they always intended for Leicester
Quote from: BN on February 08, 2015, 10:29:28 AM
3732 the last Centro coming over today.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16343997748/
For anyone looking for the remaining Pulsars:
3801 is on 530's
3803 is on 4A's
Saw one of the Telford Bound Streetlites at Heath Town Junction (Deans Rd and Wednesfield Way) but turned right onto Church St/Bushbury Rd. Any ideas where it was going?
Quote from: Nathan on February 16, 2015, 03:33:25 PM
For anyone looking for the remaining Pulsars:
3801 is on 530's
3803 is on 4A's
Saw one of the Telford Bound Streetlites at Heath Town Junction (Deans Rd and Wednesfield Way) but turned right onto Church St/Bushbury Rd. Any ideas where it was going?
Answer is in the question.
Towards Bushbury though?
Just had 2211. Quite good up the hill of Quarry Bank High Street. Wednesfield and Cannock have took good care of her
Quote from: Nathan on February 16, 2015, 06:57:06 PM
Towards Bushbury though?
Heading up to M54 Junction 1 or 2 presumably
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 16, 2015, 07:05:39 PM
Just had 2211. Quite good up the hill of Quarry Bank High Street. Wednesfield and Cannock have took good care of her
And Wardles Tom.
2211? When did that operate from Cannock? We had SN03 LGC,didnt think we'd ran LGE as well? 2268 was always ok as far as Darts go, 2274 was/is the one with the weird throaty death rattle sound, thats still at cannock I think unless Wednesfield have added to their ever expanding fleet of midibuses
2707 was on the 208 this evening on a late board (last 208 off Dudley)
229 will have heavy SB120 presence now as transfers continue, so this will become more normal.
2702 now at Wednesfield along with 2731 from Cannock.
3801 and 3803 have now left.
2211 has never been at Cannock, 2210 came with 2209 but quickly moved on, not sure why wednesfield are using the long wheel bases on the likes of 35/35a/9, seen a centro on 9 Saturday.... had sbout 3 on board
Quote from: BN on February 22, 2015, 10:35:33 AM
2702 now at Wednesfield along with 2731 from Cannock.
3801 and 3803 have now left.
@BN Can i ask why the Pulsars were sent to Wednesfield in the first place? Because to me, it seems sort of pointless transferring them for only a month and 10 days...
Quote from: Alex on February 23, 2015, 09:46:52 PM
Quote from: BN on February 22, 2015, 10:35:33 AM
2702 now at Wednesfield along with 2731 from Cannock.
3801 and 3803 have now left.
@BN Can i ask why the Pulsars were sent to Wednesfield in the first place? Because to me, it seems sort of pointless transferring them for only a month and 10 days...
It is unfortunate and it has been met with disappointment i'm sure.
Are 3801/3 just passing through at cannock or are they permanent transfers? Maybe wednesfield dont have enough routes that justify using 61 plate full size singles?
Just passing through, awaiting swaps with Thurmaston.
Quote from: Bob on February 24, 2015, 07:39:46 PM
Are 3801/3 just passing through at cannock or are they permanent transfers? Maybe wednesfield dont have enough routes that justify using 61 plate full size singles?
Sorry to be pedantic but the Pulsars that were at Wednesfield are 13 plates ;)
The remainder of the FT06 Commanders? AAre the cadets permanent at cannock? Why send some to wednesfield then transfer some more of the same a week later to cannock? Wouldn't it have been easier to just send them straight to weds from Shrewsbury and leave cannocks where they were?
Quote from: Nathan on February 24, 2015, 07:52:31 PM
Quote from: Bob on February 24, 2015, 07:39:46 PM
Are 3801/3 just passing through at cannock or are they permanent transfers? Maybe wednesfield dont have enough routes that justify using 61 plate full size singles?
Sorry to be pedantic but the Pulsars that were at Wednesfield are 13 plates ;)
Lol. Oh yeah. Even more reason for em not to be justified :-p
Quote from: Bob on February 24, 2015, 07:55:07 PM
The remainder of the FT06 Commanders? AAre the cadets permanent at cannock? Why send some to wednesfield then transfer some more of the same a week later to cannock? Wouldn't it have been easier to just send them straight to weds from Shrewsbury and leave cannocks where they were?
Yes they are being swapped for 2 Commanders. Yes the Cadets are permanent at Cannock.
Are we ever going to get a spare decker? Yet again yesterday and today there were single deckers on the 74/5. At peak times as well! It would surely be logical to have just one? Itd save wednesfield absolutely wasting theirs on the 530 for a start lol
What r they using on X68 the hospital shuttle service
Quote from: Solo1 on February 24, 2015, 09:53:28 PM
What r they using on X68 the hospital shuttle service
E200's, one MPD has appeared up to now
Wonder if they r going ,2 brand the 2 e200's on there
No
DLA - 530
this was in the express & star today as headlines http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2015/02/26/200k-per-year-wolverhampton-to-cannock-hospital-bus-facing-axe/
Quote from: Solo1 on February 26, 2015, 09:04:16 PM
this was in the express & star today as headlines http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2015/02/26/200k-per-year-wolverhampton-to-cannock-hospital-bus-facing-axe/
Not too suprised, don't think i've seen a trip with more than 5 people on, and the one i saw this morning had no one on, i think
Quote from: Bob on February 26, 2015, 04:14:05 PM
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on February 26, 2015, 01:00:07 PM
DLA - 530
Rammed then...
It was market day yesterday so did have a fair few on the three times I passed it during the day
An old dart on the X68 yesterday. Y384 HKE
2702 made it onto 10A this evening
2705 also on an all-day 10 board
Quote from: 646 on March 03, 2015, 07:00:14 PM
2702 made it onto 10A this evening
2705 also on an all-day 10 board
Caught it from Wolverhampton at 17:20. Jam Packed! You also had a Y-HKE Dart this afternoon (The one that comes off a 62). All daytime boards should be DD's
2702 replaced a stricken decker.
The weekday peak extras run onto/off 62 now, so MPD is the norm. Previously worked off 18 (now the 837 fits round this) where an SB120 would fit. May change soon though.
Out of interest:
Does anyone have a list of buses at WD fitted with transponders to activate the Perton Barrier?
Cheers
2107
2108
2110
2111
2114
2704
3732
3733
3736
4786
4796
4797
4800
4801
Barrier currently deactivated though.
DLA on 62 i think it was displaying 62
Quote from: 646 on March 03, 2015, 07:14:47 PM
2107
2108
2110
2111
2114
2704
3732
3733
3736
4786
4796
4797
4800
4801
Barrier currently deactivated though.
Does that mean anything can go through or are the buses on diversion?
Quote from: Westy on March 06, 2015, 05:27:29 PM
Quote from: 646 on March 03, 2015, 07:14:47 PM
2107
2108
2110
2111
2114
2704
3732
3733
3736
4786
4796
4797
4800
4801
Barrier currently deactivated though.
Does that mean anything can go through or are the buses on diversion?
Anything, as referenced by NX putting 4562 on the WN10 last night
@Westy The barrier is down so anything could get through like 4562 last night. If NX wanted to a Hybrid could appear on the 10 as long as the barrier is down.
I was thinking of cars admittedly.
Quote from: Westy on March 06, 2015, 08:56:53 PM
I was thinking of cars admittedly.
Doesn't stop the cars having a good go whether It works or not but it makes for entertaining viewing when they fail lol
Does anybody know what the x68 inter works with ?
Quote from: Ck on March 09, 2015, 06:36:40 PM
Does anybody know what the x68 inter works with ?
It doesn't
That's quite a big layover if it gets in at 08 the hour and doesn't go out till 53 the hour
Quote from: Ck on March 09, 2015, 06:59:56 PM
That's quite a big layover if it gets in at 08 the hour and doesn't go out till 53 the hour
Might be wrong then, can't think of anything that it interworks with
You're correct, the service is standalone.
A very rare opportunity to work a service in this way, but nevertheless useful when the motorway snarls up!
Service 4A will be withdrawn as of 26th April:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/26April2015.aspx
Well, that was short!
Quote from: Alex on March 12, 2015, 07:31:50 PM
Service 4A will be withdrawn as of 26th April:
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/bus/servicechanges/ServiceChangesPages/26April2015.aspx
Well, that was short!
Not surprising though really. Just not enough people on there to justify it.
Cue Bob slating Arriva for withdrawing the service.
I used it once and I was the only passenger on it!
the 4A arrives at pendeford the same time is the NXWM 4 and if u try and get on the 4A and the NX 4 is there they say use that one
sundays the lay over could be less than 18 minutes
Well yet another glittering turd of a failure. ....hahahahahaha when are they just gonna give up the ghost? Odds on the 530 being next
I'm surprised Arriva haven't jumped on the 002...
...at least it'll be reliable!
With 4A being withdrawn and all 70s going around the town does this mean that the 76 could be going to wednesfield depot ?
Quote from: Ck on March 12, 2015, 08:03:07 PM
With 4A being withdrawn and all 70s going around the town does this mean that the 76 could be going to wednesfield depot ?
Maybe.
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 12, 2015, 07:55:16 PM
I'm surprised Arriva haven't jumped on the 002...
...at least it'll be reliable!
But Arriva hardly have an inspiring track record of competing... TGB essentially had a go and failed and I don't see how Arriva would be any different!
interestingly the 62/a must be on diversion in whitemore reans as it was spotted travelling up court road towards newhampton. i wonder if the driver missed farndale out. also a y hke dart on 62 wants its brakes looking at as they dont sound very healthy.
Quote from: DiamondDart on March 13, 2015, 01:39:59 AM
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 12, 2015, 07:55:16 PM
I'm surprised Arriva haven't jumped on the 002...
...at least it'll be reliable!
But Arriva hardly have an inspiring track record of competing... TGB essentially had a go and failed and I don't see how Arriva would be any different!
They dont seem to have any success commercially do they? Could you assume from that that if they lost most tenders Wednesfield would fold?
Quote from: mranon on March 16, 2015, 06:29:02 PM
interestingly the 62/a must be on diversion in whitemore reans as it was spotted travelling up court road towards newhampton. i wonder if the driver missed farndale out. also a y hke dart on 62 wants its brakes looking at as they dont sound very healthy.
Roadworks on corner off Hordern Rd/Farndale Ave mranwan making it very tight to turn into Farndale Av
Quote from: mranon on March 16, 2015, 06:29:02 PM
interestingly the 62/a must be on diversion in whitemore reans as it was spotted travelling up court road towards newhampton. i wonder if the driver missed farndale out. also a y hke dart on 62 wants its brakes looking at as they dont sound very healthy.
2108 is another to have those screeching brakes. The driver said a mechanic thought it was fine
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on March 16, 2015, 08:27:51 PM
Quote from: mranon on March 16, 2015, 06:29:02 PM
interestingly the 62/a must be on diversion in whitemore reans as it was spotted travelling up court road towards newhampton. i wonder if the driver missed farndale out. also a y hke dart on 62 wants its brakes looking at as they dont sound very healthy.
2108 is another to have those screeching brakes. The driver said a mechanic thought it was fine
2107 is the same
Quote from: jack4325 on March 17, 2015, 07:29:12 AM
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on March 16, 2015, 08:27:51 PM
Quote from: mranon on March 16, 2015, 06:29:02 PM
interestingly the 62/a must be on diversion in whitemore reans as it was spotted travelling up court road towards newhampton. i wonder if the driver missed farndale out. also a y hke dart on 62 wants its brakes looking at as they dont sound very healthy.
2108 is another to have those screeching brakes. The driver said a mechanic thought it was fine
2107 is the same
Mentioned a few pages ago
roadworks are not currently making getting in/out of farndale on/off hordern road impossible. with the 3 stops on hordern road out of use, i would have thought the 62 would be busier. besides there is no excuse to not use hordern road. nxwm and banga may experience a slight delay but they serving their routes as per norm. that junction has 3 way temporary lights. there was a grab loader during rush hour yesterday blocking half of it, but the 5 service driver eased it past like it wasnt there.
4796 now withdrawn
2738 x781 on the 29 in Lichfield I think I'm correct in saying this is a Wednesfield route.
Correct, vehicle currently on loan.
Quote from: tphi12000 on March 21, 2015, 05:28:42 PM
2738 x781 on the 29 in Lichfield I think I'm correct in saying this is a Wednesfield route.
If it interworks with the 35, yes.
Quote from: Westy on March 22, 2015, 12:17:42 AM
If it interworks with the 35, yes.
It is yes, 2738 is on loan from HQ.
Quote from: Matt on March 22, 2015, 01:02:18 PM
The 13 diversion is Colley Gate, Toys Lane, Tanhouse Lane, normal route.
I think the driver has forgotten I'm on as he's singing away merrily to himself.
First sign of madness that is!
2145 isn't tracking on the Arriva app.
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 23, 2015, 12:43:34 PM
2145 isn't tracking on the Arriva app.
must buses dont mate
Plaxton Centro on 530 along with a dart and 2 Cadets
Centro and ALX400 on the 4A
Quote from: Matt on April 02, 2015, 02:00:49 PM
Centro is normal, ALX400 seems odd though?
It is 4800 that is on there
Quote from: the trainbasher on April 02, 2015, 02:20:42 PM
It is 4800 that is on there
The first decker to get on there to my knowledge. Caught it to Pendeford this afternoon.
Quote from: Matt on April 02, 2015, 02:00:49 PM
Centro is normal, ALX400 seems odd though?
here a pic https://flic.kr/p/rCFbSA
Quote from: jack4325 on April 02, 2015, 07:08:01 PM
here a pic https://flic.kr/p/rCFbSA
I've made the URL link work (Click the Quote box above)
What is used on the 10s?
DAF deckers
@Trident 4194 the WN 10? Darts and deckers I believe
Centre 3739 has gained a front panel from old corporate livered bus.
3509 from Tamworth and 2739 from FE West on loan for Rail Replacement.
3734 is the tame Bridge standby
One of Wednesfield's super reliable Darts has decided to stop working at the traffic lights leading onto Castle Gate Island from the road leading past Black Country Museum. Name of said road eludes me.
Quote from: JackC on April 06, 2015, 11:50:10 AM
One of Wednesfield's super reliable Darts has decided to stop working at the traffic lights leading onto Castle Gate Island from the road leading past Black Country Museum. Name of said road eludes me.
Tipton Road?
one of the ex telford spare buses
is now running from Wednesfield https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/17122606091/
Quote from: Solo1 on April 12, 2015, 06:00:18 PM
one of the ex telford spare buses
is now running from Wednesfield https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/17122606091/
Its been running from Wednesfield Garsge for ages
Quote from: Nathan on April 12, 2015, 06:18:07 PM
Its been running from Wednesfield Garsge for ages
It hasn't been there ages Nathan. Just a week.
2738 was the first to appear.
Quote from: 646 on April 12, 2015, 06:20:19 PM
It hasn't been there ages Nathan. Just a week.
2738 was the first to appear.
Silly me ::) The photo i saw on my phone was not clear enough to see the fleet no. so assumed it was 2738.
Quote from: Solo1 on April 12, 2015, 06:00:18 PM
one of the ex telford spare buses
is now running from Wednesfield https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/17122606091/
On loan till end of the month.
2135 now at Wednesfield.
3736 now in for refurb.
Quote from: BN on April 18, 2015, 02:17:37 PM
2135 now at Wednesfield.
on the 229
https://flic.kr/p/scEUa2
Photo
Anybody want a last ride on 4801 get it tomorrow.
Quote from: BN on April 21, 2015, 07:32:29 PM
Anybody want a last ride on 4801 get it tomorrow.
why
@BN
How many deckers do wednesfield have left?
Withdrawn.
Quote from: Bob on April 21, 2015, 07:36:14 PM
How many deckers do wednesfield have left?
3 from tomorrow.
Wont be seeing them on the 530 then anymore lol. Will they make any appearances on the 76?
4801 now withdrawn.
New recruit being 2277 from Cannock.
Y reg dart do not know number, broke down at outer Parkway by the subway, was there at 7.00pm, still there at 8.30pm nobody around.
When did 2277 move over? Im sure it was on cannock 31 this morning. Cannock must have only about three mpds left now. Am I right?
Another Centro on the 27/28E circuit tonight.
@BN, Are the Centro's staying at Wednesfield when the 4A is withdrawn?
think it was y383hke on perton parkway was there 2 hours i was in perton
2125 Broken down in merry hill
Not broken down.
Was when I left it at 4:55 PM
Involved in a collision.
What are they planning to use on the 76 from Monday? Displaced Centro's?
SB120
Quote from: 646 on April 23, 2015, 10:14:40 PM
SB120
So what are the Centro's going to be doing? Leaving?
Not planning to, yet.
Do they use cadets on 890?
Wednesfield don't run it, and yea there are cadets on there
BU03 HRC and a Pulsar today.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 25, 2015, 04:40:53 PM
What route?
The 890, thats what route you asked about...
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 25, 2015, 11:46:27 AM
Do they use cadets on 890?
Run by Telford Garage, mate :)
As stated its usually a mixture of SB120's (Cadets) and SB200's (Pulsars)
And the odd streetlite.and if your mega lucky a step entrance scania!
Anybody want a last ride on 2106 and 2108 get it tomorrow.
Any idea what was operating the X76/78 today?
4786 has had return advertising applied for the 10/A/B.
Also, 2108 is on the 10 today (its last day in service)
Quote from: BN on April 26, 2015, 11:26:13 AM
Anybody want a last ride on 2106 and 2108 get it tomorrow.
What routes are these on? Thanks
2276 another new recruit will be ready for service tomorrow.
Cannock keeping any darts?
Quote from: BN on April 28, 2015, 06:53:06 PM
2276 another new recruit will be ready for service tomorrow.
Are these 53 plate Darts replacing the older Y-HKE examples?
Quote from: Nathan on April 28, 2015, 06:59:04 PM
Are these 53 plate Darts replacing the older Y-HKE examples?
Yes Nathan.
How many? Theres still a 55 plate there
Quote from: BN on April 26, 2015, 11:26:13 AM
Anybody want a last ride on 2106 and 2108 get it tomorrow.
2106 is still in service
Quote from: Bob on April 28, 2015, 10:19:18 PM
How many? Theres still a 55 plate there
I think they will only have 2 MPD's.
Quote from: jack4325 on April 30, 2015, 06:53:16 PM
2106 is still in service
Sorry for the mis-information, i believe 2106, 2107, 2108 will finish after service on Tuesday.
How's the 12 doing?
There is an Arriva livered Optare Solo parked up at a Truck Parts Centre in Bentley Bridge, not far from Wednesfield Garage. Can anyone identify. Think it maybe one of the ex Wednesfield ones but can't be 100% sure?
Cheers
@646 for that. What's it doing there?
2550 - WL03 AOL
has 3706 left wednsfield
2106 now left for MRC.
Some Wardles vehicles are in the yard for storage.
PD0000478/106 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Stafford, Gaoll Square and Wolverhampton bus station given service number 76/76A effective from 31-May-2015. To amend Timetable.
PD0000478/310 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between kingstanding and Mere Green given service number 604 effective from 31-May-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0000478/341 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Walsall, Bradford Place and Willehall, Lion Hotel given service number 333 effective from 31-May-2015. To amend Timetable.
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 12, 2015, 05:00:44 PM
PD0000478/106 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Stafford, Gaoll Square and Wolverhampton bus station given service number 76/76A effective from 31-May-2015. To amend Timetable.
PD0000478/310 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between kingstanding and Mere Green given service number 604 effective from 31-May-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0000478/341 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Walsall, Bradford Place and Willehall, Lion Hotel given service number 333 effective from 31-May-2015. To amend Timetable.
Looks like arrivas taking on sandwell travels 333X, sorting out the reliability of the 76/76A. Maybe the 54 is starting to threaten it.
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 12, 2015, 05:24:35 PM
Looks like arrivas taking on sandwell travels 333X, sorting out the reliability of the 76/76A. Maybe the 54 is starting to threaten it.
It's mentined in the Sandwell thread that Arriva are coming off the 9, except for 1 subsidised trip. It appears that will be renumbered 333 in line with what will become the main service.
Sorting out the reliability of the 76? What reliability issues?
3736 looking brand new out the paintshop, currently parked in the yard.
3737 gone in its place.
Quote from: BN on May 12, 2015, 06:59:25 PM
3736 looking brand new out the paintshop, currently parked in the yard.
3737 gone in its place.
Look forward to seeing it out
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 12, 2015, 05:00:44 PM
PD0000478/106 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Stafford, Gaoll Square and Wolverhampton bus station given service number 76/76A effective from 31-May-2015. To amend Timetable.
PD0000478/310 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between kingstanding and Mere Green given service number 604 effective from 31-May-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0000478/341 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Walsall, Bradford Place and Willehall, Lion Hotel given service number 333 effective from 31-May-2015. To amend Timetable.
76 group - retiming exercise and removal of Mon-Sat evening service following Staffordshire cuts
604 - rerouting of school time journeys due to parking issues
333 - remaining subsidised 9 journey renumbered to match remaining op
Quote from: 646 on May 13, 2015, 07:17:51 PM
76 group - retiming exercise and removal of Mon-Sat evening service following Staffordshire cuts
604 - rerouting of school time journeys due to parking issues
333 - remaining subsidised 9 journey renumbered to match remaining op
Oh, so that means that other than that 9/333 journey, there won't be others e.g. a full Mon-Sat timetable?
SK52 MLE on 76 today seen almost empty Wolves bound. Has the 54 had any impact on the route?
Quote from: 646 on May 13, 2015, 07:17:51 PM
76 group - retiming exercise and removal of Mon-Sat evening service following Staffordshire cuts
604 - rerouting of school time journeys due to parking issues
333 - remaining subsidised 9 journey renumbered to match remaining op
So the only link between stafford and Wolverhampton on a night time will be the 54?
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 13, 2015, 07:27:50 PM
So the only link between stafford and Wolverhampton on a night time will be the 54?
Quote from: Bob on May 13, 2015, 07:22:41 PM
SK52 MLE on 76 today seen almost empty Wolves bound. Has the 54 had any impact on the route?
Yes and yes
Couldn't see them ever withdrawing the 76 though its a long standing service
Quote from: Bob on May 13, 2015, 07:54:08 PM
Couldn't see them ever withdrawing the 76 though its a long standing service
The 76 isn't used by many people at night (varies by day and week).
In the daytime, more people are opting for the 54. Obviously I'm not going to start knocking Arriva because I am a fan.
Shame the 154 is having no impact whatsoever in cannock
it might help if information wasnt removed from stops. i also think its strange how the 70 seems to be running similar times around featherstone onwards.
Has info definitely been removed from stops? ?
The 54 / 154 is dependent on i54 isn't it, so if & when that finishes, surely it's bye bye 54/154?
(Had a ride on the 54 yesterday, as far as Penkridge. Surprised that isn't routed via Brewood either? Wonder if Staffs might ask for the 54 to go via Brewood to replace the withdrawn Arriva service? (54A?) )
westy, from what ive seen, more non i54 people are using these services. as for brewood during the day select cover it
Quote from: mranon on May 15, 2015, 08:46:11 AM
westy, from what ive seen, more non i54 people are using these services. as for brewood during the day select cover it
Yep, but as I've said before I'd rather have a 'name' run the route.
Unless you search online or live on route, how would you know of Select?
I only know of Select through being on here.
Let's face it, your average punter will drop into the Travelshop looking for a timetable leaflet & unless the person behind is knowledgable, you're stuck!
Have you ever seen a Select leaflet?
I don't recall seeing one in Wolves Travelshop, but they print off the Arriva's anyway!
Another thing as well, was the 76 doing ok at it's previous garage, as now it's moved to Wednesfield, we're hearing about withdrawal's already!
Quote from: Westy on May 15, 2015, 10:33:00 AM
Yep, but as I've said before I'd rather have a 'name' run the route.
Unless you search online or live on route, how would you know of Select?
I only know of Select through being on here.
Let's face it, your average punter will drop into the Travelshop looking for a timetable leaflet & unless the person behind is knowledgable, you're stuck!
Have you ever seen a Select leaflet?
I don't recall seeing one in Wolves Travelshop, but they print off the Arriva's anyway!
Another thing as well, was the 76 doing ok at it's previous garage, as now it's moved to Wednesfield, we're hearing about withdrawal's already!
What withdrawals are we hearing about?
Quote from: BN on May 12, 2015, 06:59:25 PM
3736 looking brand new out the paintshop, currently parked in the yard.
3737 gone in its place.
Back in traffic now. Seen on the 530 yesterday.
2550 has now disappeared from the Truck Parts Centre in Bentley Bridge. Any ideas where it has gone?
Quote from: 646 on May 15, 2015, 11:07:53 AM
What withdrawals are we hearing about?
The 76 on evening & Sundays as mentioned above.
Due to Staffordshire funding review as mentioned above.
Select have covered this route since 2010, who work closely with Staffordshire county council not centro.
We give out leaflets and the total this year is around 5000, the are a grouped together leaflet which include D&G and Midland Classic. They are available from Staffordshire county council and most of the time available off the bus.
One day you never know we may become a 'name' operator, its called 'growing' a business.
I just hope national express do well and provide a good service as I think they will and can
Quote from: Westy on May 15, 2015, 10:33:00 AM
Yep, but as I've said before I'd rather have a 'name' run the route.
Unless you search online or live on route, how would you know of Select?
I only know of Select through being on here.
Let's face it, your average punter will drop into the Travelshop looking for a timetable leaflet & unless the person behind is knowledgable, you're stuck!
Have you ever seen a Select leaflet?
I don't recall seeing one in Wolves Travelshop, but they print off the Arriva's anyway!
Another thing as well, was the 76 doing ok at it's previous garage, as now it's moved to Wednesfield, we're hearing about withdrawal's already!
well considering you don't class select as a named operator, they appear to have a loyal customer base on the brewood to wolves part of their services, just remember when they started, midland gave up trying and withdrew their service. its good we have independents, as it sometimes maybe the only way an area may get a service etc. i hope select are around for a long time to come.
it brings variety, and they seem to be upgrading to newer better vehicles than a certain named operator who is running cast offs sent from other depot's.
One of the crappy cadets was either broken down or had been in an accident in Boscomoor lane in penkridge at 3pm today, driver was holding up panel in front of the front wheel, either way it was parked at a right strange angle and causing traffic queues. Mustve been there a bit as there was another cadet leaving penkridge ( presumably it was wolves bound as it was leaving the stop by the public conveniences rather than the one on the main road opposite
Quote from: mranon on May 15, 2015, 03:48:11 PM
well considering you don't class select as a named operator, they appear to have a loyal customer base on the brewood to wolves part of their services, just remember when they started, midland gave up trying and withdrew their service. its good we have independents, as it sometimes maybe the only way an area may get a service etc. i hope select are around for a long time to come.
it brings variety, and they seem to be upgrading to newer better vehicles than a certain named operator who is running cast offs sent from other depot's.
Ok fair enough, but unless you do the research online, most people that turn up at Wolves Bus Station will automatically assume Arriva is the only operator that runs to Brewood, as their timetable is on the counter.
I didn't see a Select one there, when I went in the other day.
NX have done a good job promoting their service, certainly on the Wolves & Walsall depots buses, plus the leaflets have been in the Travelshops.
I don't know what Select's loadings are like locally. I guess they are adequate for the area.
Quote from: Bob on May 15, 2015, 04:37:01 PM
One of the crappy cadets was either broken down or had been in an accident in Boscomoor lane in penkridge at 3pm today, driver was holding up panel in front of the front wheel, either way it was parked at a right strange angle and causing traffic queues. Mustve been there a bit as there was another cadet leaving penkridge ( presumably it was wolves bound as it was leaving the stop by the public conveniences rather than the one on the main road opposite
Crappy Cadets, what makes you say that Bob, very reliable acctually and in good condition. Well looked after at Shrewsbury.
A lot of them arent even refurbed, and have got 13 yr old faded minging upholstery inside. Still passengers will decide on the 76 corridor and either be loyal to Arriva or go to NX, why would anyone want a new bus smartly presented, branding that catches the eye when they could go on a nice cadet. Had it broken down yesterday? As it was partially blocking the road!
According to Arrivas website the 76A is still going to be running every hour on evenings but terminating at School Street, Wolverhampton from 31st May
Quote from: Chris2301 on May 18, 2015, 01:24:59 PM
According to Arrivas website the 76A is still going to be running every hour on evenings but terminating at School Street, Wolverhampton from 31st May
if you read the note,s further down they finish in June
Quote from: Matt on May 24, 2015, 05:34:28 PM
Cadet on the 77
2704. Works 35's and 41's too due to interworking.
Quote from: woody38 on May 18, 2015, 09:11:00 PM
if you read the note,s further down they finish in June
I know it's been said the route cannot be altered for a year, but could Staffs CC 'ask' NX to divert the 54 in the evenings to cover Brewood, or is it more complicated than that?
(I know near me, Centro did get Arriva to divert the 2's to cover Midland Wednesfield 5 which had been introduced at the North Walsall Review & withdrawn subsquently!)
2257 and 3736 now in interurban livery
Meanwhile 4796 and 4851 have gone to the bus depot in the sky
How many deckers are at wednesfield now?
Quote from: Bob on May 27, 2015, 09:29:25 PM
How many deckers are at wednesfield now?
3 i think.
The three DLA's are 4786 4797 and 4800. All three were on the 10 today until the above mentioned breakdown.
Maybe theyre due some replacement vehicles for those 3
Not presently.
Meanwhile 2210 SN03 LGD is now a Wednesfield resident.
2268 now in Interurban livery.
@Matt is this what you're looking for??
Quote from: Winston on May 26, 2013, 04:57:51 PM
Wednesfield depot appear to have taken over the Sunday workings on route 142. 2226 W226SNR was on there along with a DAF/ALX400 double decker, I thought it was registered X449XGP but it must have been 4801 X439XGP
Forgot to say 2226 has also been refurbished/repainted and looks smart
2731 BU03 HRD on 10
Quote from: 646 on May 30, 2015, 06:25:20 PM
2731 BU03 HRD on 10
1445 from town. Is this now the transponder Cadet or has somebody put cooking fat down the barrier again?
Transponder
How does a cadet cope on the allegedly always decker requiring 10s??
Quote from: Bob on May 30, 2015, 06:37:15 PM
How does a cadet cope on the allegedly always decker requiring 10s??
Nobody has ever said its always deckers. The Cadet had standing passengers when I saw it at 1450 in Chapel Ash.
If there's only three deckers cadets will probably be a regular sight on there from now on id of thought
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on May 30, 2015, 06:42:45 PM
Nobody has ever said its always deckers. The Cadet had standing passengers when I saw it at 1450 in Chapel Ash.
Did you see that
@Bob ?
Cadets are midibuses. Does not mean it requires a decker
Quote from: 646 on May 30, 2015, 06:50:28 PM
Did you see that @Bob ?
Remember my eyesight isn't great but I could still see from the opposite side of the road there were standees.
We'll always have this debate but deckers are needed. The school run then 40+ commuters on most journeys between 4 and 6.
Im not saying theyre not needed at certain times. But by and large day times other than school trips single deckers are ok ive seen darts even cope fine on there. Id still say overall the staffords from cannock probably carry more. Least eventually they listened to passengers and deckered the effing thing. Lol
Quote from: Westy on May 24, 2015, 05:40:17 PM
I know it's been said the route cannot be altered for a year, but could Staffs CC 'ask' NX to divert the 54 in the evenings to cover Brewood, or is it more complicated than that?
(I know near me, Centro did get Arriva to divert the 2's to cover Midland Wednesfield 5 which had been introduced at the North Walsall Review & withdrawn subsquently!)
http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/transport/publictransport/buses/docs/busservicechangesjune15bydistrict.pdf
Does that mean NX will divert the 54 via Brewood to cover withdrawn 76A journeys, else that will leave Brewood without an evening service at least?
No, the literature does state "mostly replaced"
Those changes are interesting, especially with the evening 70s going too, that route has run for years and years! Maybe itll improve the 154 loadings, eg for people who go earlier and return later. As ypu wouldnt want to pay twice with monthly tickets etc
2729, 2730, 2733, 2734 now at Wednesfield.
2109 right door when it opens takes ages to open
Quote from: jack4325 on June 11, 2015, 08:38:14 AM
2109 right door when it opens takes ages to open
Tell me about it I had it on the 82 last night, S*** bus.
any one know what the changes are to these
PD0000478/289 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted: Operating between Bloxwich, Park Road and Walsall given service number 23 effective from 19-Jul-2015. To amend Timetable.
2. PD0000478/315 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton and Rocket pool given service number 530 effective from 19-Jul-2015. To amend Timetable.
3. PD0000478/335 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted: Operating between Bilston and Dudley given service number 229 effective from 19-Jul-2015. To amend Timetable.
4. PD0000478/342 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton and Perton given service number 10/10A/10B effective from 19-Jul-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
5. PD0000478/366 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted: Operating between Burton Upon Trent (New Street) and Lichfield Bus Station given service number 7/7A/7E/813 effective from 08-Aug-2015. To amend Route.
6. PD0000478/401 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted: Operating between Bloxwich, Wolverhampton Road and Bilston Bus Station given service number 326 effective from 19-Jul-2015. To amend Timetable.
Quote from: Solo1 on June 16, 2015, 03:40:11 PM
any one know what the changes are to these
PD0000478/289 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted: Operating between Bloxwich, Park Road and Walsall given service number 23 effective from 19-Jul-2015. To amend Timetable.
2. PD0000478/315 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton and Rocket pool given service number 530 effective from 19-Jul-2015. To amend Timetable.
3. PD0000478/335 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted: Operating between Bilston and Dudley given service number 229 effective from 19-Jul-2015. To amend Timetable.
4. PD0000478/342 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton and Perton given service number 10/10A/10B effective from 19-Jul-2015. To amend Route and Timetable.
5. PD0000478/366 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted: Operating between Burton Upon Trent (New Street) and Lichfield Bus Station given service number 7/7A/7E/813 effective from 08-Aug-2015. To amend Route.
(6. PD0000478/401 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted: Operating between Bloxwich, Wolverhampton Road and Bilston Bus Station given service number 326 effective from 19-Jul-2015. To amend Timetable.)
what's the change for the 326?
They seem to be surprisingly persevering with the 530....
That 23 is wrong.
It should be Bloxwich to Brownhills not Walsall.
23 and 326 are reliability tweaks, will interwork also.
10 is reroute in Wolverhampton and extra early morning and late evening journeys.
229 and 530 are peak frequency increase.
Quote from: 646 on June 16, 2015, 08:56:15 PM
23 and 326 are reliability tweaks, will interwork also.
10 is reroute in Wolverhampton and extra early morning and late evening journeys.
229 and 530 are peak frequency increase.
Thanks
If the 326 & 23 are supposed to interwork, then why dont they advertise them as one big route?
Quote from: 646 on June 16, 2015, 08:56:15 PM
23 and 326 are reliability tweaks, will interwork also.
10 is reroute in Wolverhampton and extra early morning and late evening journeys.
229 and 530 are peak frequency increase.
The Wolverhampton City Centre change i presume is leaving the bus station via Ring Rd and Broad St (As per NX's 10)?
How many extra evening trips are there? I was wondering if extra trips would run at night considering the last Arriva 10 is 20:50 out of Wolverhampton.
Quote from: 646 on June 16, 2015, 08:56:15 PM
23 and 326 are reliability tweaks, will interwork also.
10 is reroute in Wolverhampton and extra early morning and late evening journeys.
229 and 530 are peak frequency increase.
Seems sensible to interwork the 23 with something i'd often thought before that interworking would save cost on reliefs (travel time, shunt car etc), originally i'd thought linking it with 19 would be the obvious choice, but 326 will be as good and it can be worked with the Bilston area crews.
Not seen any 229's for a while as not been around that area but I know they were doing reasonably well in the daytime (was a suggestion they might see more SB120s - don't know if this has happened) so more peak frequency seems sensible, there must be a few buses available at that time of the day as there are some buses that only work on off peak contracts.
Oddly saw a 17 turn right for Quarry Bank High St/merry hill at the Boulevard rather than using the straight on lane for Coppice Lane yesterday despite no closures etc. Presume the driver just got the wrong lane or wrong destination display although it was seen at a time the 17 was due at The Boulevard.
Is it still daf deckers on 10/10a?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 30, 2015, 03:53:00 PM
Is it still daf deckers on 10/10a?
Yes with Single Deckers sometimes mixed in (Y-HKE Darts and 2731)
i always tend to see 2731 on morning 837, spending most its day on 18 then afternoon 837
Quote from: Busman Jamie on July 01, 2015, 11:02:25 PM
i always tend to see 2731 on morning 837, spending most its day on 18 then afternoon 837
Flits between 837/18/837 and 10/A/B/27/28E. The 18 no longer has a dedicated bus. I use that word because 2715 was on it virtually everyday for months.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on July 02, 2015, 06:02:35 AM
Flits between 837/18/837 and 10/A/B/27/28E. The 18 no longer has a dedicated bus. I use that word because 2715 was on it virtually everyday for months.
Same driver. Has the bus all day. Usually 2731 or another 273* failing thay.
2739 is back at wednesfield noted on 76 today
2702 229
Quote from: Rhys S on July 02, 2015, 04:30:50 PM
2702 229
Cadets (DAF SB120's) are always on the 229. Main type on there.
2107 here on loan.
The 333X that operates into Walsall for about 7am.
Where does it go to next?
Quote from: Westy on July 10, 2015, 09:43:49 PM
The 333X that operates into Walsall for about 7am.
Where does it go to next?
19s
What is used on 530 service?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 12, 2015, 01:56:12 PM
What is used on 530 service?
To be honest bud, anything!
2702 335
3741 on 18
is this a loan or a transfer??
Quote from: jack4325 on July 13, 2015, 12:24:33 PM
3741 on 18
is this a loan or a transfer??
Loan, mow back at Cannock.
2111 now withdrawn.
2702 is on the Merry Hill 17 today
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 18, 2015, 01:15:04 PM
2702 is on the Merry Hill 17 today
Typical the one day I don't go out
Anyone seen 2701,2702?
2702 is on 326
2 more new recruits in the form of:
2271
2735
will 2736 join wednesfield eventualy? seem stange Cannock hanging onto just 1 out the batch
Anazung how the entire rest of the batch were refurbished and 2736 is disgusting inside and never been touched. I cant imagine Wednesfield would want it in that state
2718 another new recruit.
Quote from: BN on July 23, 2015, 07:50:59 PM
2718 another new recruit.
Glad that we've got a Y-UON beast again.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on July 23, 2015, 08:02:50 PM
Glad that we've got a Y-UON beast again.
Should be out at some point next week. Wed/Thurs.
Quote from: BN on July 20, 2015, 07:31:43 PM
2 more new recruits in the form of:
2271
2735
2271 now in interurban livery. Trim also being done.
Why allocate an euro 3 dart to the 17
And a clapped out euro 2 dart on the hilliest route ever(13)
It's just whatever gets allocated
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 27, 2015, 02:49:25 PM
It's just whatever gets allocated
Euro 2 darts shouldn't be allocated to the 12/13/17
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 27, 2015, 03:20:23 PM
Euro 2 darts shouldn't be allocated to the 12/13/17
A dart is a dart.....
Doesn't matter what euro rating it has as long it doesn't enter an emissions zone (which it doesn't). As long as the bus turns up, why should it matter?
Quote from: Nathan on July 27, 2015, 05:25:12 PM
A dart is a dart.....
Doesn't matter what euro rating it has as long it doesn't enter an emissions zone (which it doesn't). As long as the bus turns up, why should it matter?
Euro 2 darts struggle and actually the 13 was running 10 minutes down when I caught it
I don't think it was late for that reason..... talking of darts 2159 today on 76
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 27, 2015, 03:20:23 PM
Euro 2 darts shouldn't be allocated to the 12/13/17
Why?
Has 2271 took Hinckley Bus signs out the bus put the Wednesfield ones in
Also Hinckley Bus Logo would have to be taken off Arriva Logo be on it
Quote from: leepenfold30 on July 28, 2015, 09:33:05 AM
Has 2271 took Hinckley Bus signs out the bus put the Wednesfield ones in
Also Hinckley Bus Logo would have to be taken off Arriva Logo be on it
One further; it has been repainted
2113 now withdrawn.
According to nwm site arrivas 227 has been withdrawn due to termination of contract. Does that mean those journeys will not operated anymore by any operator?
Quote from: Chris on August 08, 2015, 04:32:29 PM
According to nwm site arrivas 227 has been withdrawn due to termination of contract. Does that mean those journeys will not operated anymore by any operator?
Yeah unless a new contract is agreed
Igo would probably run it
Quote from: Chris on August 08, 2015, 05:14:50 PM
Igo would probably run it
SCC contract, won't be renewed. If someone wants to run them commercially...
Commercial 530s..another failure..cant even win against banga lol
Quote from: Bob on August 08, 2015, 09:19:23 PM
Commercial 530s..another failure..cant even win against banga lol
Wander how they will do on the 74 with Social Travel starting.
probably wont affect em too much tbf
Quote from: Bob on August 08, 2015, 09:19:23 PM
Commercial 530s..another failure..cant even win against banga lol
It is indeed, good news for Banga and hopefully means they can continue to improve and the corridor reverts back to a sensible number of buses on it!
Note Banga not withdrawing their 891 though no doubt a retaliation agaibst Arriva so starting on the 530 has hurt their business.
Just 10 and 19 left as purely WM commercial routes now?
I reckon it's only a matter of time before they get shot of the op, there's no move to replsce lost work save taking work out of Cannock and Stafford...
Quote from: DiamondDart on August 08, 2015, 09:49:53 PM
It is indeed, good news for Banga and hopefully means they can continue to improve and the corridor reverts back to a sensible number of buses on it!
Note Banga not withdrawing their 891 though no doubt a retaliation agaibst Arriva so starting on the 530 has hurt their business.
Just 10 and 19 left as purely WM commercial routes now?
I reckon it's only a matter of time before they get shot of the op, there's no move to replsce lost work save taking work out of Cannock and Stafford...
I must admit that the present Wednesfield operations hardly seem viable to an outsider.
However,surely this is only part of the present problems for Arriva Midlands since it appears that the entire Midlands operation is not flourishing.
I can see the Company being split up,with Oswestry,Telford and Shrewsbury joining Arriva North West and Derby,Leicester and Burton merging with Arriva the Shires (as already has been mentioned before).
This leaves Cannock,Stafford and Tamworth ............are the two former worth keeping the way things are going,and the feeling persists that Stagecoach would snatch their hands off for Tamworth.
Maybe complete and utter rubbish,but it is a few thoughts to pass away a quiet Sunday morning.
Stafford would probably go the way of Hereford and be consumed by independents and Cannock???.........maybe Bob will get his wish for a NX company to spread northwards.
Well as ive said before, they were close to selling Cannock previously so you never know. According to upcoming changes to the network, the Sapphire 1 is being cut to half hourly as is the 33. Surprised by the 1 being cut tbf
Quote from: arrifirststage on August 09, 2015, 09:53:32 AM
I must admit that the present Wednesfield operations hardly seem viable to an outsider.
However,surely this is only part of the present problems for Arriva Midlands since it appears that the entire Midlands operation is not flourishing.
I can see the Company being split up,with Oswestry,Telford and Shrewsbury joining Arriva North West and Derby,Leicester and Burton merging with Arriva the Shires (as already has been mentioned before).
This leaves Cannock,Stafford and Tamworth ............are the two former worth keeping the way things are going,and the feeling persists that Stagecoach would snatch their hands off for Tamworth.
Maybe complete and utter rubbish,but it is a few thoughts to pass away a quiet Sunday morning.
Stafford would probably go the way of Hereford and be consumed by independents and Cannock???.........maybe Bob will get his wish for a NX company to spread northwards.
I very much doubt Arriva would ever sell Tamworth, it always gets the new investment as per Telford I would therefore expect it to be one of the most profitable garages within AM. Wednesfield appears by far the weakest most vulnerable operation.
They might sell it if offered a really good deal though? Do you think theyre bothered about Cannock, Theyvs invested in the last couple of years, but prior to that the fleet was dreadful. That said standards are slipping. The 60/ X60 has gone from 61 plates to tat the Staffords have gone from branded 57 plates to tat when the deckers arent on which is frequent, so you never know. Wednesfield though? Its a joke, nothing theyve ever launched has been successful and as i say its hilarious that they cant compete against banga! I feel sorry for anyone whod ever bought monthly or season tickets on any commercial route they introduced! lol
Quote from: Bob on August 09, 2015, 11:12:43 AM
They might sell it if offered a really good deal though? Do you think theyre bothered about Cannock, Theyvs invested in the last couple of years, but prior to that the fleet was dreadful. That said standards are slipping. The 60/ X60 has gone from 61 plates to tat the Staffords have gone from branded 57 plates to tat when the deckers arent on which is frequent, so you never know. Wednesfield though? Its a joke, nothing theyve ever launched has been successful and as i say its hilarious that they cant compete against banga! I feel sorry for anyone whod ever bought monthly or season tickets on any commercial route they introduced! lol
Doubt there are msny of those givrn website is hard to navigate and fares promotion is pretty bad
I agree with the general opinion that the midlands op is being attacked on sll fronts, it just needs First in Leicester or an operstor in Derby to have a go...
I think they'll keep all but Wednesfield as otherwise it could erode more profitable parts of the ntwork as well. I think Wednesfield's days are numbered unless as a WM base for Staffordshire services crossing the boundary. Even by doing that they undermine existing garages.
I also don't really get what there is to buy at Wednesfield. Garage space possibly plus the 19 and 10, vehicles are not what anyone would be rushing out to buy and then there are the 2012 tenders won at stupid prices that are most likely loss making by now if not before.
I wouldnt imagine Cannocks much more than a bit of a basket case either. The upcoming cuts announced so far are only the ones that go into the West Mids. i wonder what the purely within Staffs services will look like. The cuts to the 1 though? A sapphire route! If custom had increased as intended etc surely they wouldnt be cutting? Maybe this'll spur another operator to run on the corridor
Quote from: Bob on August 09, 2015, 11:12:43 AM
They might sell it if offered a really good deal though? Do you think theyre bothered about Cannock, Theyvs invested in the last couple of years, but prior to that the fleet was dreadful. That said standards are slipping. The 60/ X60 has gone from 61 plates to tat the Staffords have gone from branded 57 plates to tat when the deckers arent on which is frequent, so you never know. Wednesfield though? Its a joke, nothing theyve ever launched has been successful and as i say its hilarious that they cant compete against banga! I feel sorry for anyone whod ever bought monthly or season tickets on any commercial route they introduced! lol
The investment at Cannock appeared to coincide with when NXWM expressed an interested in the area & won the Staffs CC tenders
National Express Staffordshire any one? Or Xplore Staffordshire?
Wednesfield would be swallowed by Wolverhampton.
Cannock would be swallowed by Walsall. Can't see them keeping Cannock as an outstation.
Don't know how Walsall would arrange the Cannock bit they would inherit, but I could see Wolves merging the 70 with their 11, as that runs up the Cannock Road doesn't it?
Thing is if NX have a straight inherit of the routes of the Wednesfield & Cannock operations, how long before they would start withdrawing them as none profitable?
Could NX build a 'super garage' in South Staffordshire to take over Walsall, Wolves, Wednesfield & Cannock operations, to save money?
Would this involve certain routes in the south of the Wolves & Walsall covered areas being taken over by Pensnett & West Bromwich for operational reasons?
(Mods - If you think this worthy of a separate thread, then move it, but don't just pooh pooh it or delete it for being off topic, as it could be a goer!)
if anything were to happen i dont think nx would set up a staffordshire branding. i think theyd just run inherited routes from wolves and walsall. Also i could see routes like the 74/75 being held onto by arriva & run from other garages.The previous aborted sell off involved swarming Cannock with Lynxes & B6s.Imagine a B6 trying to get up Bradbury Lane on a Pye Green lol
In the unlikely event that NX were to acquire both Wednesfield & Cannock, I think there would be sufficient capacity at both Walsall & Wolverhampton garages to adsorb the fleet & routes. Pensnett could easily be expanded at considerably less cost than having to build a super garage if additional capacity was required, WA & WN routes could then be moved around accordingly. NX would more than likely attract interest from the competition authorities if they were to acquire Wednesfield, however the remaining WM routes could be of interest to Diamond who seem to be doing pretty within the Walsall area.
Arriva do seem far more focused on European of late, Arriva Midlands is loosing ground and on the receiving end of competition from numerous smaller operators, London has lost a large number of Tfl contracts and Bolton is a shadow of its former self since Blue Bus was acquired by Arriva.
I think the whole point of my original post was that Arriva couldn't run Cannock or Stafford routes from anywhere.........Arriva Midlands would not exist.
While I understand up to a point regarding the Competion Commission situation, surely the most important part is ensuring a decent continuation of service to passengers & if NX can provide continuation, then so be it.
If Diamond can do it & not pull out at the first sign of lack of profits etc, then ok fair enough.
People want a bus service, not to be stuck in the middle of a political 'football match', for want of a better phrase!
Quote from: Westy on August 09, 2015, 03:55:08 PM
Wednesfield would be swallowed by Wolverhampton.
Cannock would be swallowed by Walsall. Can't see them keeping Cannock as an outstation.
Don't know how Walsall would arrange the Cannock bit they would inherit, but I could see Wolves merging the 70 with their 11, as that runs up the Cannock Road doesn't it?
Thing is if NX have a straight inherit of the routes of the Wednesfield & Cannock operations, how long before they would start withdrawing them as none profitable?
Could NX build a 'super garage' in South Staffordshire to take over Walsall, Wolves, Wednesfield & Cannock operations, to save money?
Would this involve certain routes in the south of the Wolves & Walsall covered areas being taken over by Pensnett & West Bromwich for operational reasons?
(Mods - If you think this worthy of a separate thread, then move it, but don't just pooh pooh it or delete it for being off topic, as it could be a goer!)
Buses from Walsall and Wolverhampton working deep into Staffordshire? Back to 1973!
wmpte/west mids remained a strong presence as far as hednesford right up til the 90s to be fair. until chase started the 1 they had the walsall corridor to themselves. even more so before the train line reopened in 89
Personally I cant see Arriva selling any of the midlands based depots orher than maybe wednesfield
More Sb120's arriving in the fleet over the next few weeks.
From where?
Replacing what &I think the buses will.be from cannock but I may be wrong
Maybe theyre exchanging them for MPDs? Although Cannocks 33 route has been largely operated with cadets for months and the frequency is being reduced on that so id have thought theyd need at least a cadet size bus. Im assuming the MPDs coming to Cannock are for the new local routes rather than anything existing
Quote from: Solo1 on August 15, 2015, 12:43:46 PM
Replacing what &I think the buses will.be from cannock but I may be wrong
Ive heard cannock are having smaller buses perhaps the likes of 2736 will move to wednesfield with the others.
Maybe the enviros will move to Cannock for the new routes
Look out for 2718 this week, might venture out from Tuesday.
Quote from: Westy on August 09, 2015, 03:55:08 PM
Wednesfield would be swallowed by Wolverhampton.
Cannock would be swallowed by Walsall. Can't see them keeping Cannock as an outstation.
Don't know how Walsall would arrange the Cannock bit they would inherit, but I could see Wolves merging the 70 with their 11, as that runs up the Cannock Road doesn't it?
Thing is if NX have a straight inherit of the routes of the Wednesfield & Cannock operations, how long before they would start withdrawing them as none profitable?
Could NX build a 'super garage' in South Staffordshire to take over Walsall, Wolves, Wednesfield & Cannock operations, to save money?
Would this involve certain routes in the south of the Wolves & Walsall covered areas being taken over by Pensnett & West Bromwich for operational reasons?
(Mods - If you think this worthy of a separate thread, then move it, but don't just pooh pooh it or delete it for being off topic, as it could be a goer!)
Oh here we go again with more fantasy NX Empire Building. I love it. If you go back through the threads over the last 5 years, it's been the same story over and over again. It's laughable that everybody is still spinning the same old yarns despite a total lack of any credible evidence that any of this dreaming will ever go anywhere. You really should all give up. Not singling Westy out, just that his post sums it all up really.
Quote from: S I on August 26, 2015, 02:15:21 PM
Are any Dennis Dart MPD from Wednesfield transferring to Cannock for the new routes ?
Yes.
Why? Theres plenty of others to choose from
2722 now at Wednesfield.
is BU03 HRK going to move there?
Quote from: S I on August 29, 2015, 06:50:20 PM
How many Dart MPD do Wednesfield depot have at the moment does anyone know ?
Look at the fleetlist.
Quote from: S I on August 29, 2015, 06:50:20 PM
How many Dart MPD do Wednesfield depot have at the moment does anyone know ?
2102
2103
2109
2114
2125
2151
2152
2153
2154
2155
2156
2157
2158
2159
2160
2161
2162
2210
2211
2256
2257
2261
2268
2276
2277
2295
Quote from: S I on August 29, 2015, 07:40:18 PM
Thanks ( 2276 ) is now Cannock + i would imagine ( 2277 ) may transfer to CK ?
Your welcome to tatty 2277
Quote from: RS on August 29, 2015, 07:36:44 PM
2102
2103
2109
2114
2125
2151
2152
2153
2154
2155
2156
2157
2158
2159
2160
2161
2162
2210
2211
2256
2257
2261
2268
2276
2277
2295
Wrong, 2276 is gone and there is one missing.
Quote from: RS on August 29, 2015, 10:10:02 PM
Your welcome to tatty 2277
2277 is a great bus, at least it's fast
Didnt it have a re trim?
Aren't you asking virtually the same questions on each garage page?
3705 is now at Wednesfield.
2728 now joined the fleet.
Question: Is the 71/71A replacing the 68 or is it additional?
Quote from: Liam on September 05, 2015, 06:13:11 PM
Question: Is the 71/71A replacing the 68 or is it additional?
Yes, basically the 71 is a 68 and an 18 together.
2719 and 2720 now at Wednesfield.
Quote from: BN on September 06, 2015, 06:28:15 PM
2719 and 2720 now at Wednesfield.
<inserts big cheesy grin>
3618 now arrived from Thurmaston.
Thought those old volvos were long gone
3618 is the only 1 left
Wonder if it'll get used on the 71
big bus like that might be required for 326 😜
3618 left Wolverhampton at about 11:45 on the 10.
Quote from: Busman Jamie on September 11, 2015, 10:03:30 AM
big bus like that might be required for 326 😜
wednesfield have got so many rammed routes to choose from lol
I'll be looking for 3618 tommorow please
10s likely for the next few weeks.
Would be better on 35/71 or X68 surely?
Why?
Extra bus required for 10 during Pattingham Road closure.
Won't fit round X68.
It looks like an amazing bus to ride on
Quote from: Bob on September 11, 2015, 02:48:27 PM
wednesfield have got so many rammed routes to choose from lol
I'm glad you agree Bob, overcrowing issues on certain 10's and most 35's.
Overcrowding issues on 30s? Certainly not at the Lichfield end...and besides there's not always even a cadet on theresometimes an mpd . And isn't that why you've got old daft deckers? For the 10? What's your take on running unregistered buses on the 74? A good idea???
Quote from: 646 on September 11, 2015, 05:35:37 PM
Why?
Extra bus required for 10 during Pattingham Road closure.
Won't fit round X68.
Fair enough, just thinking longer interurban routes...
Would love to see Central Buses do all of the 35, smarter, newer buses on there. Find it hard to believe how a heavily supported route would have loading issues unless concessionary reimbursement is incredibly low...
Quote from: Bob on September 11, 2015, 07:02:45 PM
Overcrowding issues on 30s? Certainly not at the Lichfield end...and besides there's not always even a cadet on theresometimes an mpd . And isn't that why you've got old daft deckers? For the 10? What's your take on running unregistered buses on the 74? A good idea???
The 35 does extremely well thanks. Old daft deckers thanks again. I see your a big Arriva fan! But sometimes we know for fact even the decker isnt big enough.
Quote from: BN on September 11, 2015, 07:26:36 PM
The 35 does extremely well thanks. Old daft deckers thanks again. I see your a big Arriva fan! But sometimes we know for fact even the decker isnt big enough.
Why did Arriva previously ditch it then? What's changed from before Midland took it over? And why is the 35B supported?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 11, 2015, 06:12:41 PM
It looks like an amazing bus to ride on
I've got it now on the 28E, and it's by far the best vehicle I've had on here! (Not a driver, by the way!) It's also got very comfy seats
@DiamondDart the 35B is the old 381 that Heartlands did
Noticed there was no reply to the unregistered 74 comment !!!
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 11, 2015, 07:44:42 PM
@DiamondDart the 35B is the old 381 that Heartlands did
Cheers Trainbasher, Arriva did briefly run it though?
Quote from: BN on September 11, 2015, 07:26:36 PM
The 35 does extremely well thanks. Old daft deckers thanks again. I see your a big Arriva fan! But sometimes we know for fact even the decker isnt big enough.
they are old?? No comment on the unregistered 74s then
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 11, 2015, 08:08:26 PM
Cheers Trainbasher, Arriva did briefly run it though?
@DiamondDart Yes, it was when the 35 had branded E200s around 2013-Mid 2014
The anti Arriva gang haven't got anything better to do on their Friday nights I take it?
I've said before I've seen standing loads on the 10 and 35.
Well of course you have the seats are so filthy noone wants to sit on them
Quote from: Steveminor on September 11, 2015, 08:58:26 PM
Well of course you have the seats are so filthy noone wants to sit on them
Well on the one occasion a humongous dog had taken up the buggy bag and I hate dogs but normally all the seats are taken by people. I personally wish they'd not put the MPD on the peak journeys but it's not like they came from Travel Express lol. Both the MPD's and DLA's much nicer than the Eclipse 2's that pass my house so its worth the walk. Having 3618 for a while will be even better.
Are you seriously suggesting that any Dart is better than a b7rle? The daft deckers are rubbish they break down loads..
Quote from: Bob on September 11, 2015, 09:15:35 PM
Are you seriously suggesting that any Dart is better than a b7rle? The daft deckers are rubbish they break down loads..
Do they? I can't recall the last time the ALX400's broke down?
They use to be regularly on the back of a tow truck when they ran the 19. The bells didn't work on most of them either ( which I suspect would make them not roadworthy but this is arriva )
Quote from: Nathan on September 11, 2015, 10:18:52 PM
Do they? I can't recall the last time the ALX400's broke down?
I've never seen a DLA on tow to Wednesfield. And me and Nathan live in Wolverhampton so we know. I'm sure BN and 646 would agree.
Ashley I don't know what planet you're on but we run mainly darts & even I'll admit b7 s are much better than darts.
I will admit though I've not seen a dla being towed but I'll also admit to never seeing any Wednesfield route with even a half decent load let alone being full ^ I should know as have been looking at arriva routes intently before going for the 74
Quote from: Steveminor on September 11, 2015, 11:55:22 PM
Ashley I don't know what planet you're on but we run mainly darts & even I'll admit b7 s are much better than darts.
I will admit though I've not seen a dla being towed but I'll also admit to never seeing any Wednesfield route with even a half decent load let alone being full ^ I should know as have been looking at arriva routes intently before going for the 74
You can't of been looking for very long or hard then...
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on September 11, 2015, 11:22:03 PM
I've never seen a DLA on tow to Wednesfield. And me and Nathan live in Wolverhampton so we know. I'm sure BN and 646 would agree.
mate they have been towed in...On more than a couple of occasions!
3618 out today please
thanks
Quote from: BN on September 05, 2015, 06:17:08 PM
Yes, basically the 71 is a 68 and an 18 together.
Does it go round Lyndale park then?
The 71 incorporates the Olinthus section of 18.
57 now covers off Lyndale.
2109, 2114, 2125 now transferred to Milton Keynes.
the dla neber been towed?? a wednesfield 1?
got a photo somewhere of 4778 on the back of a tow truck??
Quote from: BN on September 12, 2015, 01:43:33 PM
2109, 2114, 2125 now transferred to Milton Keynes.
Is this an early sign of merger of Midlands and The Shires,or just another routine transfer......and will vehicles be numbered into a common series?
3618 must be on borrowed time as the other of this batch have gone
3489 now at Wednesfield.
Quote from: BN on September 13, 2015, 11:08:28 AM
3489 now at Wednesfield.
What's with all the old buses come to wednesfield? What routes that one for?
Are they transferring all the end of life single deckers to Wednesfield lol?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 13, 2015, 11:16:24 AM
What's with all the old buses come to wednesfield? What routes that one for?
@Alex ,
@Nathan and I were discussing earlier and we think its for the 10.
Do Wednesfield still run the 76 on a Sunday ?
Quote from: Dom on September 13, 2015, 02:49:16 PM
@Alex , @Nathan and I were discussing earlier and we think its for the 10.
Giving it an upgrade lol? I thought the 10 couldn't do without deckers
Quote from: Dom on September 13, 2015, 02:49:16 PM
@Alex , @Nathan and I were discussing earlier and we think its for the 10.
No not for the 10, for a new college contract.
Does the 76 inter work with anything as the timings don't work
Quote from: Ck on September 13, 2015, 06:42:06 PM
Does the 76 inter work with anything as the timings don't work
I dont think it does
Oh only there seems gaps between the timings
Quote from: Ck on September 13, 2015, 07:14:26 PM
Oh only there seems gaps between the timings
Looks very much like the 71 and 76 interwork, 76 arrives into Wolves at 13 past the hour, 71 leaves Wolves at 17 past the hour. 71 arrives at Wolves at 35 past the hour, 76 leaves Wolves at 40 past the hour.
Quote from: Cheese on September 13, 2015, 08:29:02 PM
Looks very much like the 71 and 76 interwork, 76 arrives into Wolves at 13 past the hour, 71 leaves Wolves at 17 past the hour. 71 arrives at Wolves at 35 past the hour, 76 leaves Wolves at 40 past the hour.
71 has no sunday service
Quote from: Trident4583 on September 13, 2015, 08:44:12 PM
71 has no sunday service
Depends whether
@Ck was referring to the weekday or Sunday service? They do appear to interwork in the week.
Sorry I mean the Sunday service they seem to get nearly an hour break at each end
Mon - Sat 76 interworks with 71
Sun 76 interworks with Stafford 9
There's loads of roadworks in stafford atm so interworking could be a dodgy idea
Dont they ever learn from the Lichfield & Stafford route debacle?
Wednesfield route 71 looks like its doing well with a full standing load leaving cannock. Could be good for the wednesfield depot
Standing loads or not I bet they don't put nothing bigger than a cadet on it. It always had a full sized bus on when Cannock ran it most of the time
You bet wrong. If passenger numbers dictate, vehicle type will be revised accordingly.
Quote from: 646 on September 15, 2015, 05:39:54 PM
You bet wrong. If passenger numbers dictate, vehicle type will be revised accordingly.
Exactly, maybe they could get some bigger buses for it if it continues to carry more passengers
Like cannocks deckers
That'd be a good move as 74 doesn't require deckers now. So if it's as busy as has been said that would be a good utilisation of resources.
Quote from: Steveminor on September 15, 2015, 08:47:22 PM
That'd be a good move as 74 doesn't require deckers now. So if it's as busy as has been said that would be a good utilisation of resources.
Except they wouldn't be deckers afterwards! As, correct me if i'm wrong, doesn't the 71/A go under the same bridge that restricted the 68?
Oh Alex you weren't supposed to remind them of that.
Quote from: 646 on September 15, 2015, 05:39:54 PM
You bet wrong. If passenger numbers dictate, vehicle type will be revised accordingly.
Would that be why the 35, that allegedly has loading/overcrowding issues was converted from Centrist to Cadets then?...
Quote from: Steveminor on September 15, 2015, 08:47:22 PM
That'd be a good move as 74 doesn't require deckers now. So if it's as busy as has been said that would be a good utilisation of resources.
Cannock do still require deckers. I often go on the 74 and 75 and they are still getting good loads
Quote from: 646 on September 15, 2015, 05:39:54 PM
You bet wrong. If passenger numbers dictate, vehicle type will be revised accordingly.
Passenger numbers clearly aren't dictating because YJ54 CKF is on there today. If the route was as busy as implied that type of allocation would cause issues....
Quote from: LG on September 16, 2015, 04:16:28 PM
Cannock do still require deckers. I often go on the 74 and 75 and they are still getting good loads
Are you looking at historic photos or something.
Quote from: Bob on September 13, 2015, 11:17:53 AM
Are they transferring all the end of life single deckers to Wednesfield lol?
Probably just to keep up with WF's reputation...
Quote from: Liam on September 16, 2015, 09:05:17 PM
Probably just to keep up with WF's reputation...
lol. Tbf them Volvos were nice to travel on, 3619 was poss one of the most s##### buses Cannock ever had though. Broke down loads, I think that was the one that got left overnight in Cannock bus station, maybe they thought it weren't worth Coach aid....
Quote from: Steveminor on September 16, 2015, 06:55:55 PM
Are you looking at historic photos or something.
No quite the opposite i was looking at actual buses
4715 now back at Wednesfield. Brought out of reserve.
I missed the X70 in wolves so caught the 71. Jesus christ it takes a ridiculously long route. People used to use the 68 from cannock to wolves, I cant imagine anyone would wish to do so now. And the cadets compared with the full sized vehicles used by cannock previously have got next to nothing in legroom which makes for a pretty unpleasant journey unless you're a midget. Even old ladies legs are touching the seat in front so imagine what it's like for an average sized guy like myself. Is it Arriva's intention to kill off what's left of Cannocks bus network?
Quote from: Bob on September 19, 2015, 12:59:20 PM
I missed the X70 in wolves so caught the 71. Jesus christ it takes a ridiculously long route. People used to use the 68 from cannock to wolves, I cant imagine anyone would wish to do so now. And the cadets compared with the full sized vehicles used by cannock previously have got next to nothing in legroom which makes for a pretty unpleasant journey unless you're a midget. Even old ladies legs are touching the seat in front so imagine what it's like for an average sized guy like myself. Is it Arriva's intention to kill off what's left of Cannocks bus network?
And the point of that rant was? The 71 is subsidised by Centro and SCC, what do you expect? It's never going to be direct, that is the whole point of it, to serve the places other routes don't such as Essington and Olinthus Avenue. Only very slightly slower than the old 68 anyway, which was also a subsidised route. Perhaps SCC should have just got rid of the 68 entirely, is that what you want? Might as well, it's clearly a waste of time, serving places that aren't otherwise served. Would have just waited for the next X70 or caught the 154.
Still be interested to see what happens with NX 54 & 154 once the initial i54 contract concludes?
Are loadings enough for NX to continue without i54 involvement?
Slightly slower??? It took an hour and ten minutes to get to Longford estate! There was a couple sat next to me said they'd never use it again. The bus had about 10 passengers for the whole journey in total. People did use the 68 end to end as I said. Looks like arriva have handed cheslyn hay to wolves passengers to NX on a plate. Besides it's not just the 71 they've ruined the Walsall routes as well. And like four buses an hour to Lichfield is gonna be commercially viable in the long run. Have you not seen the Facebook page loads of people are p####d off to the max about how they've screwed up the network. Oh well. I can see interesting things occurring in the next few months
Quote from: Westy on September 19, 2015, 03:50:04 PM
Still be interested to see what happens with NX 54 & 154 once the initial i54 contract concludes?
Are loadings enough for NX to continue without i54 involvement?
The 54 has potential to go it alone I reckon. The 154 I couldn't give a definite answer as I only use the only services occasionally and I'm chauffeured all the way.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on September 19, 2015, 04:00:17 PM
The 54 has potential to go it alone I reckon. The 154 I couldn't give a definite answer as I only use the only services occasionally and I'm chauffeured all the way.
The 154 gsuppose f to a bit of a doomed start with no timetables anywhere and arrivas ridiculous 'arriva 70 running as normal ' posters attached to every lamp post in Featherstone ( which are still there even though the 70 is now only about twice a bloody day !!). I suppose it might have cheslyn hay potential but I'd imagine it'll get withdrawn. I reckon there's potential for competition on the Walsall corridor though!
Quote from: Bob on September 19, 2015, 03:57:56 PM
Slightly slower??? It took an hour and ten minutes to get to Longford estate! There was a couple sat next to me said they'd never use it again. The bus had about 10 passengers for the whole journey in total. People did use the 68 end to end as I said. Looks like arriva have handed cheslyn hay to wolves passengers to NX on a plate. Besides it's not just the 71 they've ruined the Walsall routes as well. And like four buses an hour to Lichfield is gonna be commercially viable in the long run. Have you not seen the Facebook page loads of people are p####d off to the max about how they've screwed up the network. Oh well. I can see interesting things occurring in the next few months
Bob,what I don't really understand is why you are complaining.If you knew,as you surely did before you used it,how long the journey time was,how can you criticise when the bus takes that long?
Could you just not have chosen another route to Cannock,there are surely enough of them?
If I want to go from Birmingham to Walsall and choose a 935 how can I complain at how long it takes,it is my own fault for not going on the 51/X51.
Or could it be the wicked Conservative Government's fault for introducing privatisation in the first place,thus giving everyone a choice............
ivde heard the 154 could be extending to Rugeley...
Based on that last comment, there could be a chance of restoring certain pre 1980 WMPTE South Staffs links, or am I jumping the gun here?
Quote from: Westy on September 19, 2015, 06:15:04 PM
Based on that last comment, there could be a chance of restoring certain pre 1980 WMPTE South Staffs links, or am I jumping the gun here?
Wasn't there an article in the local Tamworth paper stating that Tamworth Town Council wants to join the West Midlands Combined Authority. Maybe Lichfield/Cannock might do the same?
Quote from: arrifirststage on September 19, 2015, 05:23:47 PM
Bob,what I don't really understand is why you are complaining.If you knew,as you surely did before you used it,how long the journey time was,how can you criticise when the bus takes that long?
Could you just not have chosen another route to Cannock,there are scompanyenough of them?
If I want to go from Birmingham to Walsall and choose a 935 how can I complain at how long it takes,it is my own fault for not going on the 51/X51.
Or could it be the wicked Conservative Government's fault for introducing privatisation in the first place,thus giving everyone a choice............
Giving everyone a choice? What f#####g planet are you on? Until the 154 you didn't have one unless you wanted to get a three times daily 67! Also pre privatisation we had a choice of wmpte midland red public sector and wars tones private sector. Under privatisation the eventual result ( as the rotting in hell Mrs Thatcher intended ) is one company having a virtual monopoly. Choice.....hilarious
Quote from: Bob on September 19, 2015, 06:55:31 PM
Giving everyone a choice? What f#####g planet are you on? Until the 154 you didn't have one unless you wanted to get a three times daily 67! Also pre privatisation we had a choice of wmpte midland red public sector and wars tones private sector. Under privatisation the eventual result ( as the rotting in hell Mrs Thatcher intended ) is one company having a virtual monopoly. Choice.....hilarious
Sorry Bob,did you not realise the latter part of my post was tongue in cheek.....intended to provoke the very sort of rant it achieved.Try to calm down and not take things so seriously.
However,you have still not answered the original question which I and another poster asked.
Oh sorry. I have autism so alot of the time I take things literal. To be fair I didn't know the full time. I used to get there on 68 in just under an hour but didn't realise how much h of a slow ball ache it was going round them estates in wolves and the the Wyrley cheslyn hay bit. It would now put people off who used to go end to end
Quote from: Bob on September 21, 2015, 11:54:32 AM
Oh sorry. I have autism so alot of the time I take things literal. To be fair I didn't know the full time. I used to get there on 68 in just under an hour but didn't realise how much h of a slow ball ache it was going round them estates in wolves and the the Wyrley cheslyn hay bit. It would now put people off who used to go end to end
I am sorry Bob,I didn't realise.....please accept my apology,I certainly would never try to be deliberately hurtful.
No worrys it's not a big thing any way to be fair, I got a eye for detail at work cos of it an spot stuff other people have missed
2988 is back at Wednesfield.
What's the college contract ?
4800 (and prsumably the other deckers) are on Aston Villa Rugby World Cup Shuttles.
4810 from Telford also being used
5 in use on Saturday (3 WD, 2 TD)
7 in use today (3 WD, 4 TD)
When will 3618 retire?
Quote from: BN on September 27, 2015, 05:06:59 PM
Friday.
@BN please tell me if it is out tommorow and what route please
Quote from: RS on September 27, 2015, 05:20:08 PM
@BN please tell me if it is out tommorow and what route please
Another inset day? I want to come to your school
@RS
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 27, 2015, 05:21:17 PM
Another inset day? I want to come to your school @RS
Did you just read my mind
@Trident 4194 lol :)
Oh well I won't be able to go on it as some kids have to go to school, I'm off Friday but I can't go out Friday and Saturday and would not want to miss the farewell day
@RS how can you have time off without an inset day?
Quote from: RS on September 27, 2015, 05:23:36 PM
No
For once and for all RS, please explain how you manage to get so much time off school. Then perhaps others will stop 'picking on me' as you have complained in the past!
Quote from: Bryan on September 27, 2015, 06:09:38 PM
For once and for all RS, please explain how you manage to get so much time off school. Then perhaps others will stop 'picking on me' as you have complained in the past!
@Bryan I don't have to tell you or others on this forum
Quote from: RS on September 27, 2015, 06:11:43 PM
@Bryan I don't have to tell you or others on this forum
Exclusion?
If it was exclusion his parents obviously don't care/know
Quote from: Bryan on September 27, 2015, 06:09:38 PM
For once and for all RS, please explain how you manage to get so much time off school. Then perhaps others will stop 'picking on me' as you have complained in the past!
Well said that man!
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 27, 2015, 06:12:24 PM
Exclusion?
Sounds a possibility, or probably truanting
Quote from: RS on September 27, 2015, 06:11:43 PM
@Bryan I don't have to tell you or others on this forum
It may be time for you to leave the forum soon then as I don't want the forum to seen to be encouraging someone to miss school and you seem to not want to tell us a valid reason
Quote from: Tony on September 27, 2015, 06:17:46 PM
It may be time for you to leave the forum soon then as I don't want the forum to seen to be encouraging someone to miss school and you seem to not want to tell us a valid reason
I would tell you but I don't wish for the whole forum to know
Quote from: RS on September 27, 2015, 06:32:36 PM
I would tell you but I don't wish for the whole forum to know
PM me then, I won't post it on the forum
Quote from: Tony on September 27, 2015, 06:17:46 PM
It may be time for you to leave the forum soon then as I don't want the forum to seen to be encouraging someone to miss school and you seem to not want to tell us a valid reason
Please, do. It would be much quieter and less shit to deal with.
Quote from: RS on September 27, 2015, 05:20:08 PM
@BN please tell me if it is out tommorow and what route please
Usually on 10's.
Quote from: BN on September 27, 2015, 06:44:06 PM
Usually on 10's.
Ok if that is the same tomorrow please can you help me out with timings thanks
Quote from: P419 EJW on September 27, 2015, 06:42:34 PM
Please, do. It would be much quieter and less shit to deal with.
I'll second that. I think everybody on here is sick of him.
Quote from: trident4370 on September 27, 2015, 07:23:13 PM
I'll second that. I think everybody on here is sick of him.
End of now please, back to buses
Yesterday, I observed the following on a Wednesfield Arriva bus, I won't say where. A passenger showed a Travelcard, which the driver took from him. He, the driver, then tore the card in two and handed it back to the passenger without explanation. Needless to say this led to some anger and bad language passed back and forth. Is a driver allowed to do this? And is customer care and relations covered by the CPC, which I assume has reached Wednesfield?
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on September 28, 2015, 01:24:26 PM
Yesterday, I observed the following on a Wednesfield Arriva bus, I won't say where. A passenger showed a Travelcard, which the driver took from him. He, the driver, then tore the card in two and handed it back to the passenger without explanation. Needless to say this led to some anger and bad language passed back and forth. Is a driver allowed to do this? And is customer care and relations covered by the CPC, which I assume has reached Wednesfield?
The pass could have been invalid which would be the only reason for it to be confiscated but bad language shouldn't have been given both ways.
Agree that the pass could have been invalid or out of date hence the reason for it being torn up as then it's impossible to carry on using an out of date card plus according to terms & conditions the pass remains the property of nxwm or centro not the passenger.
No need for the driver to shout at the passenger but it is extremely difficult to hold your tongue at times. Having been a traffic warden there is a whole section of the course on just how to diffuse anger situations without resorting to shouting or foul languages, even then it's bloody tough lol.
Quote from: BN on September 18, 2015, 08:01:18 PM
4715 now back at Wednesfield. Brought out of reserve.
But is in Cannock yard this evening.
Maybe Cannock will get a spare decker then, or at least enough to cover the PVR of their only deckered bloody route!
Hope everybody got there last ride on 3618 today. Now withdrawn.
Well it lasted long.....
Quote from: Bob on October 01, 2015, 07:43:24 PM
Well it lasted long.....
It has lasted as long as it was meant to. Going off to pastures new.
Within Arriva Midlands? Or the scrap man?
Quote from: Bob on October 01, 2015, 08:46:56 PM
Within Arriva Midlands? Or the scrap man?
Becoming a Coke can near you LOL.
3618 and 3489 have now left the fleet.
Quote from: BN on October 04, 2015, 09:11:48 AM
3618 and 3489 have now left the fleet.
3489 has been sold for preservation despite being listed on ebay.
4715 now back on fleet.
2702 on the 71 yesterday, seen mini cadets on there a few times now. Loadings obviously can't be as good as the 68? Either that or there's some seriously inadequate allocations. ....
Where can I find 4715?
Quote from: Bob on October 06, 2015, 05:24:50 PM
2702 on the 71 yesterday, seen mini cadets on there a few times now. Loadings obviously can't be as good as the 68? Either that or there's some seriously inadequate allocations. ....
Yet another over the top and unnecessary remark which seem to be tolerated regardless.
Because it's against Arriva.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on October 06, 2015, 07:27:40 PM
Yet another over the top and unnecessary remark which seem to be tolerated regardobviously
Why ? The 68 largely required full size single deckers. It has gone from those, to that. So it isnt over the top. Unless you think its great that patronage has obviously deteriorated?
Quote from: Bob on October 06, 2015, 08:08:48 PM
Is it allocated to Wednesfield?
I thought it was in the reserve fleet I could be wrong though. Ive seen 4716 at Tamworth recently
Quote from: LG on October 06, 2015, 08:16:05 PM
I thought it was in the reserve fleet I could be wrong though. Ive seen 4716 at Tamworth recently
Read the previous page. It has been reinstated to Wednesfield.
Quote from: Nathan on October 06, 2015, 08:19:59 PM
Read the previous page. It has been reinstated to Wednesfield.
yea. And read the later comment about it being at Cannocks yard. ....
Quote from: Bob on October 06, 2015, 08:32:10 PM
yea. And read the later comment about it being at Cannocks yard. ....
Certainly hasn't been in Cannock's yard at any point today, Bob. Operated 10B school this afternoon.
4715, FE51 WSU, just departed Wolverhampton Bus Station on 10A.
2 new recruits for Wednesfield.
4715 and 2988 have joined the fleet.
Why are they getting so many vehicles in?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 09, 2015, 08:19:48 PM
Why are they getting so many vehicles in?
Busy with work. New contracts.
Quote from: BN on October 09, 2015, 08:41:46 PM
Busy with work. New contracts.
Before
@Bob says it or something similar, Well I'll go to the foot of our stairs!
I'm pleased for them, not like they've got much successful commercial work lol...unless they're planning any more doomed disasters of route launches
What route is 4715 on please
Quote from: RS on October 10, 2015, 09:22:32 AM
What route is 4715 on please
X11 Boots to Burton on Trent I think.
Quote from: RS on October 10, 2015, 09:22:32 AM
What route is 4715 on please
Was on the 10A at 17.20 from wolverhampton
4715 has just started the long journey south. Southern Counties bound.
4781 has just landed from Wigston depot.
2297 now on fleet here.
2104 back home at Wednesfield, now on fleet.
2275 now at Wednesfield.
Same with deckers why bring in 4781 then transfer 4800 out?
Quote from: mranon on October 30, 2015, 04:43:03 PM
Same with deckers why bring in 4781 then transfer 4800 out?
4781 is withdrawn.
2717 now at Wednesfield.
Quote from: CK / SI on November 05, 2015, 07:35:33 PM
How many ( Y / UON ) vehicles are now at WD with this latest new transfer ?
4
Where can I find WD cadets?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 05, 2015, 08:36:45 PM
Where can I find WD cadets?
There was one on 257/142 i think they interwork?
Why? id rather see 2209/74 leave
More ex Wednesfield Darts have transferred down to the shires, 2110, 2111, 2113.
Quote from: CK / SI on November 08, 2015, 04:40:34 PM
Yes Jamie i would like to see 2209 / 2274 go as well as 2276 / 2277
Maybe all ( 4 ) could be better of at WD leaving CK an MPD free fleet
What would they use to operate the barely used 19/20/21?
Surely the 19 got good loadings when it was the 319?
Referring to Cannocks 19 mate lol.
They could use the mechanics little van or Keith myatts car to carry those loads lol
Lol yea i cant see them lasting long tbf
2155/62/68 working the 604 Kingstanding-Mere Green & the Sainnsburys free bus today.
Quote from: broma1k on November 10, 2015, 02:58:28 PM
2155/62/68 working the 604 Kingstanding-Mere Green & the Sainnsburys free bus today.
One of the small ex-Cannock Cadets was working the Sainsburys Free Bus yesterday
2701 or 2702
2156 LJ51 DCE used today on first day on operation on route 65 Darlaston - Woods Estate.
Quote from: je1791 on November 16, 2015, 05:28:33 PM
2156 LJ51 DCE used today on first day on operation on route 65 Darlaston - Woods Estate.
Has this transferred back from Cannock?
Would it make any sense to merge the 310 and 65?
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on November 16, 2015, 06:30:37 PM
Has this transferred back from Cannock?
Would it make any sense to merge the 310 and 65?
Wasn't at CK?
Quote from: Nathan on November 16, 2015, 06:34:40 PM
Wasn't at CK?
It transferred in the summer before Cannock's services changes along with 2276/77.
2156 never came, instead 2159 went to STAFFORD
2104 made its last trip today. Now withdrawn.
2107 now back from Hinckley, now on fleet here.
A very rare oppurtunity 2965 Shrewsbury P&R Versa here on loan.
2256 now withdrawn.
Quote from: BN on November 25, 2015, 06:58:28 PM
A very rare oppurtunity 2965 Shrewsbury P&R Versa here on loan.
What route?
What servive is rc16
School service isn't it?
2271 Cash valut is not Attached to the floor or the pole it stands in it is leaning on one side by the door.
What routes run from this depot? other than the Walsall 19 route?
Quote from: Tomf1993 on November 26, 2015, 11:40:10 PM
What routes run from this depot? other than the Walsall 19 route?
8A, 9, 10/A/B/S, 12, 13, 17,23, 2 different 25's, 27, 28E, 35, 41, 50, 57, 63, 64, 65, 71, 76, 77, 208, 223, 224, 229, 257, 142, 530, X68, 326, 310, 335, RC16, B2, 82, 604, 77, Sainsbury's free bus
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on November 26, 2015, 11:44:42 PM
8A, 9, 10/A/B/S, 12, 13, 17, 2 different 25's, 27, 28E, 35, 41, 50, 57, 63, 64, 65, 71, 76, 208, 223, 224, 229, 257, 142, 530, X68, 326, 310, 335, RC16, B2, 82, 545.
@Ashley 60171 Also the 604 and 77
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on November 26, 2015, 11:44:42 PM
8A, 9, 10/A/B/S, 12, 13, 17, 2 different 25's, 27, 28E, 35, 41, 50, 57, 63, 64, 65, 71, 76, 208, 223, 224, 229, 257, 142, 530, X68, 326, 310, 335, RC16, B2, 82, 545.
Arriva haven't operated the 545 for a good while. Sunday service was withdrawn ages ago.
They operate the 637 round the Walsall area too. I think they still operate those 333 trips-Basically the 9 (under contract to Centro)
Wombourne and Mere Green Free Sainsbury's buses.
23 in Bloxwich too. Interworks with the 326.
Thanks Guys, do DAF ALX deckers ever run on the 19 at all?
Quote from: Tomf1993 on November 26, 2015, 11:54:28 PM
Thanks Guys, do DAF ALX deckers ever run on the 19 at all?
@Nathan @2206 original post edited for correctness. Thank you!
The 9 in that list is the Highfields Circular in Stafford which I believe WD do on Sundays. Theory based on my timetable reading.
@Tomf1993 DLA's on the 19 are rare now WD only have 2 and these are on the 10's pretty much always.
Service 19 Walsall - Bloxwich missing
Service 23 Brownhills - Bloxwich missing
The only Sainsbury's Free Bus is Mere Green, Wombourne no longer operates
Service RC6 Streetly - Rodbaston College missing
Service 837 Great Wyrley - Stafford College missing
Service 65 Darlaston - Woods Estate missing
Service 333X Walsall - Lodge Farm missing
Servcie 637 Walsall - Manor Hospital missing
2965 is parked up in Bilston, for anyone looking for it.
It's just left at 1438
Quote from: Alex on November 27, 2015, 02:33:54 PM
2965 is parked up in Bilston, for anyone looking for it.
It's just left at 1438
As it's been mentioned before, it's a school service there's normally one there everyday
2550 now back on fleet here.
2550 should be out for the first time tomorrow.
Quote from: BN on November 30, 2015, 07:35:21 PM
2550 should be out for the first time tomorrow.
Any Idea how long it staying for
@BN
2988 here on loan.
If anybody's interested the latest addition to the list of buses on the 10 is 2729.
2269 and 2273 have arrived frm Telford.
2107 is on the move again.
Get your last rides on it the weekend before it joins its brothers and sisters in the Shires.
Quote from: BN on December 18, 2015, 08:53:47 PM
2107 is on the move again.
Get your last rides on it the weekend before it joins its brothers and sisters in the Shires.
I passed it this morning in town. Brakes still abit loud but after that, aren't we down to zero ex Midland/Choice stuff at WD if not all of Midlands apart from MRC?
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on December 18, 2015, 09:50:12 PM
I passed it this morning in town. Brakes still abit loud but after that, aren't we down to zero ex Midland/Choice stuff at WD if not all of Midlands apart from MRC?
By Monday there will only be 2550 left from Midland.
Thought you had managed to rid Wednesfield of solos bn? How come 2550 has returned? Also have the number of deckers dwindled as there seems to be less on the 10
Quote from: mranon on December 19, 2015, 09:20:49 AM
Thought you had managed to rid Wednesfield of solos bn? How come 2550 has returned? Also have the number of deckers dwindled as there seems to be less on the 10
2550 is only a floating loan to be fair. The DD's are down to 2 now. 1 for the school and a spare.
So the 10 didn't require deckers in the main then?...
Quote from: Bob on December 19, 2015, 01:04:09 PM
So the 10 didn't require deckers in the main then?...
Well if you want a decker on the 10, you know who to catch then!
2261 running the 65 today (Wood Estate-Darlaston) but displaying this:
https://flic.kr/p/CaV8Wq (Photo Courtesy of JE1791)
1 of arriva cadets have catched fire in willenhall today
by looking at the photo on the express and star it looks like 2701 or 2702
2257 now Aquamarine.
2270 now transferred from Telford.
The 1.36 50 to wolverhmapton never turned up today my stepdad was waiting from 1.25 it and it never came any reason why.
But on the arriva app it was tracking at plantery road
Quote from: 900 on December 30, 2015, 02:00:30 PM
The 1.36 50 to wolverhmapton never turned up today my stepdad was waiting from 1.25 it and it never came any reason why.
But on the arriva app it was tracking at plantery road
Planetary Road suggests that the bus had to make a trip to the garage there.
2294 now on fleet here, transferred from Stafford.
Quote from: BN on December 31, 2015, 04:15:16 PM
2294 now on fleet here, transferred from Stafford.
this was on 19 today saw 449 ex Walsall wondering if it will be on there on Monday
Quote from: BN on December 31, 2015, 04:15:16 PM
2294 now on fleet here, transferred from Stafford.
is it having a repaint / refurbished? Not in the heat condition
Arriva the Shires/Southern Counties must be fairly desperate to be wanting/needing, in particular, ex Midland MPDs withdrawn from the Midlands. I presume it's to meet DDA and replace even older MPDs, still doesn't seem ideal!
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 02, 2016, 02:42:50 PM
Arriva the Shires/Southern Counties must be fairly desperate to be wanting/needing, in particular, ex Midland MPDs withdrawn from the Midlands. I presume it's to meet DDA and replace even older MPDs, still doesn't seem ideal!
The Midlands had been sinngle deck DDA compliant for a number of months apart from 2 at Burton. As they had a surplus of DDA MPD's it was better to transfer them around other Arriva companies rather than scrap them. At a guess they will only be a short term solution till new deliveries start later in the year.
Quote from: BN on January 02, 2016, 05:28:21 PM
The Midlands had been sinngle deck DDA compliant for a number of months apart from 2 at Burton. As they had a surplus of DDA MPD's it was better to transfer them around other Arriva companies rather than scrap them. At a guess they will only be a short term solution till new deliveries start later in the year.
Cheers for the info
@BN I didn't know whether those Y plate MPDs would comply or not. I agree, it makes good sense as a short term solution as the Shires does/did have some older vehicles. It seems Arriva is starting to become more like First/Stagecoach with vehicles being transferred around more between divisions. If this continues, a national fleetnumbering scheme could become useful, as at the moment there's overlap between Midlands and the Shires fleetnumbers.
It seems there are quite a lot of changes happening at the moment related to how Arriva UK Bus operates, in particular, Southern Counties, Shires and Midlands.
It's being suggested that Stevenage/Ware/Hemel Hempstead will become part of Arriva Southern Counties. Aylesbury/High Wycombe/Milton Keynes/Luton will become part of Arriva Midlands and Garston will be split up with ASC, AM and Arriva London managing different parts of the operation.
Does arriva still run the free bus to sainsburys at mere green if so
what's the normal bus used on the as I know the had a branded solo on there
Quote from: Solo1 on January 03, 2016, 10:50:01 AM
Does arriva still run the free bus to sainsburys at mere green if so
what's the normal bus used on the as I know the had a branded solo on there
Yes still do the Mere Green Sainsbury's, no dedicated vehicle on there.
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 02, 2016, 06:02:30 PM
Cheers for the info @BN I didn't know whether those Y plate MPDs would comply or not. I agree, it makes good sense as a short term solution as the Shires does/did have some older vehicles. It seems Arriva is starting to become more like First/Stagecoach with vehicles being transferred around more between divisions. If this continues, a national fleetnumbering scheme could become useful, as at the moment there's overlap between Midlands and the Shires fleetnumbers.
It seems there are quite a lot of changes happening at the moment related to how Arriva UK Bus operates, in particular, Southern Counties, Shires and Midlands.
It's being suggested that Stevenage/Ware/Hemel Hempstead will become part of Arriva Southern Counties. Aylesbury/High Wycombe/Milton Keynes/Luton will become part of Arriva Midlands and Garston will be split up with ASC, AM and Arriva London managing different parts of the operation.
I am under the impression there will be a new Midlands/Shires fleet and will be re-numbered. The only other thing i have heard is that Watford will be part of London.
Quote from: BN on January 03, 2016, 11:10:27 AM
I am under the impression there will be a new Midlands/Shires fleet and will be re-numbered. The only other thing i have heard is that Watford will be part of London.
In some ways, it'd make sense to group all of Midlands/Shires/Southern Counties. Ironically that'd be a similar business to what First did with Potteries/Leicester/Midland Red/Northampton/Essex all grouped together. NE and Yorkshire seem to work well as a unit, London seems to be standalone. Wales and NW seems to be another unit.
It would make sense/cut costs to have Arriva working more along the lines of some of the larger groups, all the marketing is to a corporate identity template anyway so could easily all be done under one roof etc. Watford makes sense as part of London due to its proximity and operation of TfL work anyway. The only real anomaly will be the remaining bit of TGM run out of Heathrow airport, the E10 TfL route which will presumably be managed out of London.
2701 now withdrawn.
Bound to be reinstated or is she completley dead
Quote from: Busman Jamie on January 09, 2016, 12:59:29 PM
Bound to be reinstated or is she completley dead
Involved in a fire, so doubt it will be reinstated
Caught fire in Willenhall. Shame being 12 years old it was one of Wednesfield garages newest buses lol
I was told that it was 2702
Quote from: Bob on January 09, 2016, 02:46:47 PM
Caught fire in Willenhall. Shame being 12 years old it was one of Wednesfield garages newest buses lol
Absolutely correct Bob! She'll be back at some point mate.
Quote from: BN on January 09, 2016, 03:34:47 PM
Absolutely correct Bob! She'll be back at some point mate.
Good news as it's a nice bus, 2702 seems to be on the 17 quite often at the moment
Quote from: BN on January 09, 2016, 03:34:47 PM
Absolutely correct Bob! She'll be back at some point mate.
Complete with an internal refurb lol?
Quote from: Bob on January 09, 2016, 04:03:14 PM
Complete with an internal refurb lol?
To be fair Bob its all still intact with no damage just a bit of a hole in the floor. But yes it will have the seats retrimmed.
What services are 2168 LK52URN 2270 SK52MLJ 2717 Y349UON &
2719 Y357UON ON TO DAY
Quote from: Solo1 on January 16, 2016, 09:48:41 AM
What services are 2168 LK52URN 2270 SK52MLJ 2717 Y349UON &
2719 Y357UON ON TO DAY
2719 not out today.
Any plans to refurb any of your threadbare buses like BF52 NZR? Horrible inside! On rail replacement to cannock. Filthy seats grimy ceiling panels, a really scutty and rough sounding heap
Solo1 2270 is on the 63/64/65 today left wolverhampton at 14.20 on the 65 to fordhouse
Quote from: Bob on January 16, 2016, 02:06:26 PM
Any plans to refurb any of your threadbare buses like BF52 NZR? Horrible inside! On rail replacement to cannock. Filthy seats grimy ceiling panels, a really scutty and rough sounding heap
Didn't think Arriva were doing the Walsall rail replacement? I've only seen Midland Classic on there, when I went to Leamore KFC earlier.
Which arriva bus is on tow saw one of the dafs on tow in Darlaston
Quote from: Bob on January 16, 2016, 02:06:26 PM
Any plans to refurb any of your threadbare buses like BF52 NZR? Horrible inside! On rail replacement to cannock. Filthy seats grimy ceiling panels, a really scutty and rough sounding heap
Hi Bob,
Wednesfield will indeed be carrying out a number of repaints/retrims this year yes. They only have 1 of that type of vehicle and is not treated too well on the college run it does but i will pass your comments on. Thanks.
Quote from: Solo1 on January 16, 2016, 09:48:41 AM
What services are 2168 LK52URN 2270 SK52MLJ 2717 Y349UON &
2719 Y357UON ON TO DAY
** 2168 is LF52 UNV
Quote from: Solo1 on January 16, 2016, 03:32:21 PM
Which arriva bus is on tow saw one of the dafs on tow in Darlaston
2705
2738 on loan here.
Quote from: Will on January 16, 2016, 03:36:27 PM
** 2168 is LF52 UNV
Whatever reg it is doesn't matter mate I need to find it its evading me
:-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Does Wednesfield depot have a bus wash?
Quote from: Tomf1993 on January 16, 2016, 09:13:06 PM
Does Wednesfield depot have a bus wash?
I would have thought so
Any pics of this garage? Dont they have any double deckers?
Quote from: Tomf1993 on January 17, 2016, 06:26:02 PM
Any pics of this garage? Dont they have any double deckers?
Double deckers and a bus wash on a photo that has been on this site for a year mnow
http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/4716.html
Cheers
@Tony always helpful. Looked at their garage on google maps other day, did not see a wash, I see they have two yards like Diamond does at Tividale.
2160 just cut out in the bus lane at Wolverhampton bus station
Quote from: 900 on January 18, 2016, 10:59:04 AM
2160 just cut out in the bus lane at Wolverhampton bus station
there going to be fun getting the buses in to the bus station .They should have a Centro person on the bus lane diverting the buses to come in the other way un less that's blocked .the only other way
is via the out exit with some one marshaling the buses in& out
Quote from: Solo1 on January 18, 2016, 12:36:16 PM
there going to be fun getting the buses in to the bus station .They should have a Centro person on the bus lane diverting the buses to come in the other way un less that's blocked .the only other way
is via the out exit with some one marshaling the buses in& out
Two NXWM buses were stuck behind. Must have cleared now. Both of those buses are back in service now.
What services are 2270 SK52MLJ 2717 Y349UON &
2719 Y357UON ON TO DAY
Quote from: Solo1 on January 23, 2016, 09:02:19 AM
What services are 2270 SK52MLJ 2717 Y349UON &
2719 Y357UON ON TO DAY
2719 not out today, sorry can't help with the others.
As a guess the cadets could be on 71/76, 19, 35/35A
Found 2717 on 71 in wolves
2550 is on the 71/76.
Quote from: Alex on January 28, 2016, 08:33:18 AM
2550 is on the 71/76.
On the 50 now will do 71/76 this afternoon
Quote from: BN on January 09, 2016, 03:34:47 PM
Absolutely correct Bob! She'll be back at some point mate.
It has now been decided that 2701 will be withdrawn.
Quote from: BN on January 30, 2016, 02:46:42 PM
It has now been decided that 2701 will be withdrawn.
Oh no. 2702 still going strong on 17
Scrap for 2701 then?
2264, 2272 now on fleet here.
Quote from: BN on February 18, 2016, 08:01:44 PM
2264, 2272 now on fleet here.
what service are the above onto day along with 2294
Quote from: Solo1 on February 20, 2016, 10:04:16 AM
what service are the above onto day along with 2294
Any route that Darts are allocated to unless they're not out.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=717955238339770&substory_index=0&id=172784649523501
See this has been chosen for a Facebook post.
Bit in bad taste personally!
(There is an Arriva connection, if you recognise the picture!)
I've been tagged in it a couple of times recently
2212 now joined the fleet.
I've been told 4200 was on the 10S school trip (Perton-Codsall High) this morning...
Do Telford operate this trip then? Or is this at Wednesfield?
Quote from: Nathan on February 25, 2016, 09:35:07 PM
I've been told 4200 was on the 10S school trip (Perton-Codsall High) this morning...
Do Telford operate this trip then? Or is this at Wednesfield?
4200 will be back at Tamworth tomorrow.
Quote from: Nathan on February 25, 2016, 09:35:07 PM
I've been told 4200 was on the 10S school trip (Perton-Codsall High) this morning...
Do Telford operate this trip then? Or is this at Wednesfield?
Yes Nathan Telford run this one mate.
Quote from: BN on February 27, 2016, 12:03:15 PM
Yes Nathan Telford run this one mate.
Ok, thank you for the clarification.
Noted some withdrawn Shires buses mainly Darts at the top of the yard when I passed this morning can anyone help with ID's please ? thanks
Quote from: tphi12000 on March 08, 2016, 12:30:09 PM
Noted some withdrawn Shires buses mainly Darts at the top of the yard when I passed this morning can anyone help with ID's please ? thanks
Maybe they're the Midlands ones returned back
Quote from: Bob on March 08, 2016, 12:46:35 PM
Maybe they're the Midlands ones returned back
No a couple of them are red and white in the old style Arriva livery .
They are w reg, W492YGS was 1, and the other UID has been scrapped at Watson. Did you notice if the 2 ex shires Volvos V251/2HBH were still there?
Quote from: Busman Jamie on March 08, 2016, 09:31:38 PM
They are w reg, W492YGS was 1, and the other UID has been scrapped at Watson. Did you notice if the 2 ex shires Volvos V251/2HBH were still there?
Ok thanks , no I didn't tbh just noticed 4 or 5 MPD'S some of which were midland buses and an DB250 on the end
When I last visited the 'dead' patch contained 4781,2719,3492 (ex shires dart), 2256,2104, (2 ex shires Volvos and am UID alx400 with fleet numbers and fleet names removed
Quote from: tphi12000 on March 08, 2016, 12:30:09 PM
Noted some withdrawn Shires buses mainly Darts at the top of the yard when I passed this morning can anyone help with ID's please ? thanks
In the yard there is Shires 3485 Dart, 3487 Dart, 3261 Volvo B10, 3262 Volvo B10
Quote from: BN on March 09, 2016, 05:23:01 PM
In the yard there is Shires 3485 Dart, 3487 Dart, 3261 Volvo B10, 3262 Volvo B10
BN thank you for this.
Are those Volvos going to see service in the Midlands?
I'd say not, I don't think they are DDA unless they join the training fleet
Cannock Dart 2290 has been on the Mere Green Sainsbury's Free Bus today
Live on my arriva app just now... what a delay...
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t35.0-12/fr/cp0/e15/q65/12874480_10153936237953116_200882533_o.jpg?efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&oh=f69af03cdc693769dbbeff4f7ddcc0a0&oe=56EE106B)
Have the DLA's been taken off the late 10's again? Been a Cadet every night I've used it for a week and a half. :(
Has the 50 stopped running cause my step dad was waiting on park lane yesterday and today it never turned up!!
So has it stopped altogether
yes not seen deckers on their usual 10 boards. also noticed the 50 seems to have been missing.
Cadet-142
@Trident 4194 There's always at least one on there most of the time
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 25, 2016, 08:01:44 PM
@Trident 4194 There's always at least one on there most of the time
There's only 1 bus allocated right??
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 25, 2016, 08:18:03 PM
There's only 1 bus allocated right??
Changes at Stourbridge from 142 to 257 and vice versa
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 25, 2016, 08:39:59 PM
Changes at Stourbridge from 142 to 257 and vice versa
Never knew that,
2290 now joined the fleet from Cannock.
Those of you who follow Arriva on Facebook noticed a thread regarding the reliability of the 19?
Quote from: Westy on March 31, 2016, 06:26:36 AM
Those of you who follow Arriva on Facebook noticed a thread regarding the reliability of the 19?
According to a note at Walsall Bus Station this afternoon, it wasn't running at all due to ''operational requirements''! Can't look good, surely!
DVSA have currently got 2 Arriva darts parked up to be checked in Dudley bus station
When will the deckers be back on the 10?
Quote from: Solo1 on January 03, 2016, 10:50:01 AM
Does arriva still run the free bus to sainsburys at mere green if so
what's the normal bus used on the as I know the had a branded solo on there
I've been meaning to reply to this for a while. The Sainsbury's bus is mostly 2210, ex Derby Rail Link branded Dart
Quote from: John on April 06, 2016, 09:33:57 PM
I've been meaning to reply to this for a while. The Sainsbury's bus is mostly 2210, ex Derby Rail Link branded Dart
That one gets about then given it's got a transponder for the 10.
Noted 2290 on 8A with a vault fitted, loan or permanent transfer?
Quote from: Busman Jamie on April 09, 2016, 08:09:30 PM
Noted 2290 on 8A with a vault fitted, loan or permanent transfer?
Transfer.
SK52 MLJ was in dudley bus station today, easily got the worst looking interior of any bus there. A terrible advert for arriva
Quote from: Bob on April 30, 2016, 03:14:09 PM
SK52 MLJ was in dudley bus station today, easily got the worst looking interior of any bus there. A terrible advert for arriva
well it was ex-Telford what do you expect lol
Lol maybe a re trim at the least 😜
Anyone got an up to date list of WD routes? Thanks in advance
Lf52 uom being towed away from Cannock bus station holding up traffic earlier. ....
What was the Wednesfield depot before midland moved in now arriva depot
Quote from: Solo1 on May 04, 2016, 02:03:42 PM
What was the Wednesfield depot before midland moved in now arriva depot
Choice bought it didnt they after they moved from Watery Lane?
What it was before then, havent a clue.
Quote from: Solo1 on May 04, 2016, 02:03:42 PM
What was the Wednesfield depot before midland moved in now arriva depot
Yes and iirc the choice travel depot before that too
I know but what wes it before it was choice depot
Garage closing down according to some drivers
Quote from: pndriver on May 05, 2016, 01:10:05 PM
Garage closing down according to some drivers
if this is true where will the services move to cannock or other operators
Quote from: Solo1 on May 05, 2016, 02:30:18 PM
if this is true where will the services move to cannock or other operators
Hmm. First Burton is mentioned, now Wednesfield.
They're up to something!
Quote from: Solo1 on May 05, 2016, 02:30:18 PM
if this is true where will the services move to cannock or other operators
Perhaps it might be worth waiting to see if it is true first
Quote from: Tony on May 05, 2016, 03:20:37 PM
Perhaps it might be worth waiting to see if it is true first
True Tony. I can imagine Wednesfield is massively profitable too...lol
It'll certainly be interesting to see what the rumours amount to. It's a far cry from the 2012 rumours of Diamond Tividale going to Arriva.
Saying that, the Wednesfield op seems to have lost much of its sparkle.
Theoretically 76 could go to Stafford outstation and 35/71/X68 to Cannock. If they were desperate to keep the 10 and 19 they could be worked from Cannock from buses worked into Wolverhampton and Walsall. Saying that, neither route would strike me as especially worth that amount of effort although First Midland Red briefly worked WM tenders to expiry from Kidderminster.
The Centro contracts could be re-tendered to other operators and ultimately buses cascaded within group to replace older MPDs etc of which Shires have a few.
If true though it'd be another one of the big groups to enter and leave the WM within a relatively short period of time. Pity really as I've always thought under Arriva it's been a smart looking op. Maybe not the newest buses but usually very well presented and crucially for Centro extra competition for the tenders.
What sparkle ? Every route they ever launched was a massive flop
I always thought some of the launches were well promoted, 310/9 branded up. The refurbed ex London MPDs they brought in at the time looked/look immaculate.
Still 15 year old darts with a re trim. Equivalent to what cowboy operators run
@Bob I have had no issues of the state of buses and time keeping on the 27/257/142 it would be shame to lose Arriva if they left the west midlands.
Would there be someway the 10 could be worked out of Telford like the 8 & 9?
How come Midland got the 19 in the North Walsall review in the first place?
Would have thought Twm(as was) deemed it an important route?
(Then again I thought they'd keep a Walsall to Cannock service on & apart from the x51 peaks, no they didnt!)
Whoever had the bright idea of that short lived Service 5 to & from the Turnberry needed their head examining!
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Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Walsall, Bradford Place and Willehall, Lion Hotel given service number 333 effective from 24-Jul-2016.
2. PD0000478/385 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted: Operating between Wilenhall and Merry Hill given service number 310 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
3. PD0000478/412 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Wolverhampton Bus Station and Cannock Chase Hospital given service number X68 effective from 02-Jul-2016.
It don't run to Merry Hill does it? X 68 as well. ....hmmm
That 333 cancellation.
Anyone reckon this is when the revised Nx services in Walsall start?
Quote from: Westy on May 09, 2016, 05:18:06 PM
That 333 cancellation.
Anyone reckon this is when the revised Nx services in Walsall start?
The NX changes as per the consultation document i believe are happening from 17th July.
Quote from: Bob on May 09, 2016, 04:40:49 PM
It don't run to Merry Hill does it? X 68 as well. ....hmmm
Chances are, they've forgot to update the registration for the 310, wouldn't surprise me. Interested to see what the 310 changes are though...
Anymore on possible closing of the garage?
Quote from: Bob on May 09, 2016, 07:12:09 PM
Anymore on possible closing of the garage?
Just drivers rumours, they must be bored.
Quote from: Bob on May 09, 2016, 04:40:49 PM
It don't run to Merry Hill does it? X 68 as well. ....hmmm
X68 cancellation was NHS decision, lack of staff using it.
Quote from: BN on May 09, 2016, 07:25:24 PM
Just drivers rumours, they must be bored.
No plans to do one from Cannock lol? Can they afford the Streetlites seeing as they couldn't the specially bought pulsars and had to downgrade their main local route to just about anything the garage have got spare?
I dont get this ' They cant afford to run certain types of buses'
Surely a bus is a bus?
(Surely it will cost more to repair the older buses?)
Not sure if BN has said this some where but 2723 is on the 50
Anybody interested get your last rides on 2257 this weekend.
Quote from: BN on June 11, 2016, 09:35:23 AM
Anybody interested get your last rides on 2257 this weekend.
If any is looking for it is on the 63/64/65
Off to shires or joining sister 2256 in the grave yard?
Quote from: Busman Jamie on June 11, 2016, 08:16:03 PM
Off to shires or joining sister 2256 in the grave yard?
Graveyard with 56 and 64.
How much longer are the bu51 plates ( like kwn) going to last? They're sheds!
Shame, was a repainted 1 and think re trimmed and 2264 was a beast for a dart when Ck had it
Quote from: Bob on June 12, 2016, 08:50:04 AM
How much longer are the bu51 plates ( like kwn) going to last? They're sheds!
2290 will also be withdrawn at the end of the month.
Quote from: BN on June 12, 2016, 12:04:08 PM
2290 will also be withdrawn at the end of the month.
Could u give me a shout on it whereabouts tommorow please
@BN cheers
What about kwj/kwl/kwm/kwk Y184 TUK they're even worse
Quote from: BN on June 12, 2016, 07:17:40 AM
Graveyard with 56 and 64.
And then there was one...
Quote from: Bob on June 12, 2016, 12:25:20 PM
What about kwj/kwl/kwm/kwk Y184 TUK they're even worse
The latter (2294) is another being withdrawn end of the month.
Quote from: 900 on June 12, 2016, 12:21:15 PM
Could u give me a shout on it whereabouts tommorow please @BN cheers
RC16 tomorrow i believe.
Quote from: BN on June 12, 2016, 05:07:31 PM
The latter (2294) is another being withdrawn end of the month.
With the rest to follow shortly? Is it mechanical reasons for 2290 as with it being only member of the batch to have been refurbished it's in far better nick internally than the others which are truly awful
Quote from: Bob on June 12, 2016, 06:07:41 PM
With the rest to follow shortly? Is it mechanical reasons for 2290 as with it being only member of the batch to have been refurbished it's in far better nick internally than the others which are truly awful
2290 is junk even on Wednesfield standards.
Quote from: BN on June 12, 2016, 07:16:14 PM
2290 is junk even on Wednesfield standards.
What are 'Wednesfield standards' ? :p
Will anything be joining Wednesfield to replace them
What would be junk by Cannocks standards? A bus that breaks down more than double figures occurrences daily and on bricks? :P
Quote from: Busman Jamie on June 12, 2016, 07:53:06 PM
Will anything be joining Wednesfield to replace them
2721 now joined the fleet. With 2290 withdrawn earlier than expected.
2294 now withdrawn.
Saw 2273 on the last 10A yesterday. Is it a new transponder bus or just on because the barriers broke again?
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on June 15, 2016, 07:13:58 PM
Saw 2273 on the last 10A yesterday. Is it a new transponder bus or just on because the barriers broke again?
It has a transponder Ashley.
Is there a change due on the 41, as NX have put some Evening & Sunday journeys on from 24/7, partly replacing their 40, albeit between Walsall & New Invention only?
(I'm willing to guess the end date for the current Arriva contract is later than the NX start date!)
Quote from: Westy on June 24, 2016, 07:31:30 PM
Is there a change due on the 41, as NX have put some Evening & Sunday journeys on from 24/7, partly replacing their 40, albeit between Walsall & New Invention only?
(I'm willing to guess the end date for the current Arriva contract is later than the NX start date!)
Does anyone know what is happening to the new invention to willenhall part?
2725 has joined the fleet.
I've seen 2269 parked up on the woodland estate in short health. Can someone tell me where the driver was at 19:49?
It got passed by 2257 five minutes later
https://m.facebook.com/groups/411584718880057?view=permalink&id=1120310781340777
Shame Arriva don't have an Oddities section, the bus on the 13 today (sorry was driving so couldn't get reg) has the rear number display in upside down!!!
Edit: Was 2210
2257 now withdrawn.
3705 is off to join the training fleet.
PD0000478/316 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Walsall and Alumwell Estate given service number 36 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Walsall Bus Station and Wilenhall, Union Street given service number 41 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable.
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Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Wolverhampton Bus Station and Wednesfield, High Street given service number 50 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable.
PD0000478/405 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Wolverhampton Bus Station and Willenhall, Upper Lichfield Street given service number 28E effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Walsall Bus Station and Wilenhall, Union Street given service number 41 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable.
What's the change. Is this why nxwm is doing Walsall to new invention
Quote from: leewhayward29 on July 09, 2016, 10:44:56 PM
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Walsall Bus Station and Wilenhall, Union Street given service number 41 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable.
What's the change. Is this why nxwm is doing Walsall to new invention
The timetable actually now shows that the NX41 will be going to Willenhall Evening and Sundays
Quote from: Nathan on July 09, 2016, 11:25:45 PM
The timetable actually now shows that the NX41 will be going to Willenhall Evening and Sundays
So is nxwm challenging arriva then?
Nx would absolutely floor arriva in any challenge. ..what can Wednesfield offer to passengers? A time expired 14 year old midibus or a s#####d Dart?
Quote from: Bob on July 10, 2016, 02:08:28 AM
Nx would absolutely floor arriva in any challenge. ..what can Wednesfield offer to passengers? A time expired 14 year old midibus or a s#####d Dart?
I would think 99.9% of passengers couldn't care less as long as the bus turns up on time
I dunno....I'm sure many can tell quality from tat. Why do you think stuff like platinum etc increases ridership? With the exception being Arriva's Sapphire 1 & 2...where they actually reduced the frequency after upgrade cos it weren't getting enough passengers flmaoooo
Quote from: Bob on July 10, 2016, 09:39:26 AM
I dunno....I'm sure many can tell quality from tat. Why do you think stuff like platinum etc increases ridership? With the exception being Arriva's Sapphire 1 & 2...where they actually reduced the frequency after upgrade cos it weren't getting enough passengers flmaoooo
The only Walsall service without a timetable leaflet in Walsall Travelshop, 6 or 7 months after a change, despite both me & NWM informing them so!
Is there a reason you would feel the need to run your buses with the heating on full on a day like today? Y361 UON being a particularly bad offender...
The heating controls in some buses is in the engine bay & some drivers won't go in their for either their own refusal to do so or company rules. So if the engineers at the depot don't bother to switch it off then the bus will just be a greenhouse for a day or two.
Quote from: Steveminor on July 18, 2016, 08:39:14 PM
The heating controls in some buses is in the engine bay & some drivers won't go in their for either their own refusal to do so or company rules. So if the engineers at the depot don't bother to switch it off then the bus will just be a greenhouse for a day or two.
That's true actually I have a good friend of mine who was working for an agency in Bristol not directly for the company in question (First West of England) anyway he told me that if he ever had problem with the bus he was driving he was told by First under no circumstances are you to open the bonnet now like I say bearing in mind he wasn't actually First staff so how they've got the nerve to say that I'll never know my friend has been a PCV Driver for 11 years so he knows his stuff
It isn't nerve - it's a safety rule.
Quote from: Will on July 18, 2016, 08:51:06 PM
That's true actually I have a good friend of mine who was working for an agency in Bristol not directly for the company in question (First West of England) anyway he told me that if he ever had problem with the bus he was driving he was told by First under no circumstances are you to open the bonnet now like I say bearing in mind he wasn't actually First staff so how they've got the nerve to say that I'll never know my friend has been a PCV Driver for 11 years so he knows his stuff
its called health and safety it's the same at Nxwm drivers do not open the engine compartment
Quote from: karl724223 on July 18, 2016, 09:15:20 PM
its called health and safety it's the same at Nxwm drivers do not open the engine compartment
Where as Diamond have totally different stance on it....
Quote from: Will on July 18, 2016, 10:07:22 PM
Where as Diamond have totally different stance on it....
Exactly
Apparently 2269 is the latest transponder bus.
Also now the cherubs have finished for the summer, what's occuring with 4786/97? Are they being replaced? I know I've asked already probably but since CK are getting Lowlanders now I don't know what's happening.
What would they need anything like a Commander for? Their empty services lol?
Quote from: A R R I V A : S I on July 27, 2016, 08:15:16 PM
Any idea how many mpd are on the WD fleet ? can do with replacing few of them with Commanders
See fleetlist on main site.
Quote from: 646 on July 18, 2016, 10:19:37 PM
Exactly
Funnily enough, I saw a Diamond with its bonnet up on the Bloxwich Road last night.
Quote from: A R R I V A : S I on August 01, 2016, 12:05:22 PM
Am i right in thinking that the newest vehicle at Wednesfield is one of the ( EX ) Cannock / YJ54 plate ?
Look at the fleetlist on the main site!
Any truth in the rumour posted elsewhere that Wednesfield is shutting then?
Yepp as soon as the tenders are up... they are hemorrhaging money at the moment and can't retain the staff
Aww yet another success story.....lol. and such a good fleet too 😂😂😂
Quote from: The King on August 03, 2016, 07:04:06 PM
Yepp as soon as the tenders are up... they are hemorrhaging money at the moment and can't retain the staff
Sorry, afraid not. Business as usual.
Quote from: BN on August 03, 2016, 08:07:20 PM
Sorry, afraid not. Business as usual.
Didn't you say we had "no plans to sell or close any other garage than Burton"?
Wednesfield can't be very profitable if it were you wouldn't have a fleet of knackers with the newest 12 years old
Quote from: BN on August 03, 2016, 08:07:20 PM
Sorry, afraid not. Business as usual.
No smoke without fire... I reckon the approach at DB is definitely 'afraid not' as to why they can't be closed sooner. Business as usual is a pretty dire approach if you're losing money!
Doubteless the uncertainty either way must be destroying staff morale and thus retention rates. Why couldn't Arriva have kept with the approach back in 2013 and 2014 of trying new ideas, the 9 was a busy route, the 334 also but they gave into tiny companies for goodness' sake.
You lose work and then overheads become proportionally higher, rest of business then gets destroyed. It's exactly this disasterous approach First took, Stafford and Cannock has all the hallmarks of Redditch and Kidderminster. Why not follow the approach they know is working in Yorkshire and the NE, invest, speculate to accumulate and grow the business. A cost cutting approach simply will not work, I reckon Stafford and Cannock, Wednesfield, Bolton, Colchester (First have upper hand there against an op Arriva ditched originally anyway) are all on borrowed time. Shires is propped up by 757 as 33% of revenue there.
In some ways Arriva have been handed Cheshire and NW ops back on a plate after GHA collapse. Even there on Merseyside Stagecoach investment must be hurting them, look at the new E400MMCs being pumped in with fares branding, Stagecoach attacking Arriva on ex SQBP corridors.
Add to that a lack of investment and forcing managers to reapply for own jobs and it's not looking great.
Presume this is a Wednesfield route
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Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Boney Hay and Lichfield given service number 15 effective from 08-Oct-2016.
Quote from: the trainbasher on August 04, 2016, 02:48:27 PM
Presume this is a Wednesfield route
PD0000478/345 - ARRIVA MIDLANDS NORTH LTD T/A ARRIVA MIDLANDS, THURMASTON GARAGE, 4 WESTMORELAND AVENUE, THURMASTON, LEICESTER, LE4 8PH
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Boney Hay and Lichfield given service number 15 effective from 08-Oct-2016.
Cannocks
Don't suppose anybody can let me know where 2720-23/25 are tomorrow please? Thanks
Quote from: A R R I V A : S I on August 05, 2016, 01:55:18 AM
I also personally think that WD depot should have CXO4 EHV : CX04 EHW : CX04 EHY : CX04 EHZ all from Cannock
Er, why? What would Cannock use on the 3 then?
They're not on there that often, they get used on the Pye Greens and often the 70 as part of the upgrades 😂
Why ? They're on the way out lol
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on August 04, 2016, 11:48:40 PM
Don't suppose anybody can let me know where 2720-23/25 are tomorrow please? Thanks
Hi Ashley, try 229 or 326. Bilston your best bet mate.
Quote from: BN on August 05, 2016, 08:09:44 PM
Hi Ashley, try 229 or 326. Bilston your best bet mate.
Hi BN, I didn't end up getting the chance to mooch for them today sadly.
Saw 2721 at Compton on my way home though, is this a 10 bus now?
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on August 05, 2016, 08:20:51 PM
Hi BN, I didn't end up getting the chance to mooch for them today sadly.
Saw 2721 at Compton on my way home though, is this a 10 bus now?
Yes it has a transponder on it.
Quote from: BN on August 05, 2016, 09:26:33 PM
Yes it has a transponder on it.
Thanks for that BN. Was hoping it would happen.
Having been on it today I can see why the 76 is withdrawn. 3 passengers from wolves including me then only me on the bus from Oxley onwards to Penkridge. Wonder why the 54 seems to do a lot better any thoughts?
The 71 is coming to Cannock as of september
Probably the same as any cadet? Bu02 urx is a shed had that on 76
I was on the 154 coming back to wolves, saw a 76 going out towards Stafford looked at least a 3rd full.
4721 on the the 10 today.
Quote from: Nathan on August 17, 2016, 01:03:18 PM
Lowlander bodied DAF DB250 on the the 10 today.
What's the fleet number
Quote from: RS on August 17, 2016, 02:05:53 PM
What's the fleet number
Not sure, sorry. Saw it from a distance.
Quote from: Bob on August 06, 2016, 02:19:24 PM
Having been on it today I can see why the 76 is withdrawn. 3 passengers from wolves including me then only me on the bus from Oxley onwards to Penkridge. Wonder why the 54 seems to do a lot better any thoughts?
Is the i54 subsidy still on for the 54 & 154?
If not, it would be interesting to see how long NX stay on those routes!
Have 4780 and 4798 transferred to Wednesfield?
@BN
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on August 31, 2016, 09:34:56 PM
Have 4780 and 4798 transferred to Wednesfield? @BN
4798 has entered the fleet, 4780 is in reserve.
Quote from: BN on September 01, 2016, 06:27:49 PM
4798 has entered the fleet, 4780 is in reserve.
Was 4721 a short term thing or is that staying too? Seeing less and less of 4786 on the 10's though.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on September 01, 2016, 06:58:01 PM
Was 4721 a short term thing or is that staying too? Seeing less and less of 4786 on the 10's though.
4786 was on the 10 yesterday chap
2725 was on 10 lates yesterday. Think it was a swap though.
Anyone know why the 57 has now started to use ashmore park instead of going straight down linthouse lane
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on September 02, 2016, 08:21:25 AM
2725 was on 10 lates yesterday. Think it was a swap though.
And it's now at High Wycombe...
The 19 (Bloxwich-Walsall) has its Mon-Sat service withdrawn from 23rd October.
Quote from: Nathan on September 19, 2016, 04:41:59 PM
The 19 (Bloxwich-Walsall) has its Mon-Sat service withdrawn from 23rd October.
Might be one for Diamond to look at picking up or incorporating in to the existing Diamond 29 as a variant
2209 has also now appeared at Wednesfield, turned up on the 57 today. Transfer or loan?
Quote from: Nathan on September 19, 2016, 04:41:59 PM
The 19 (Bloxwich-Walsall) has its Mon-Sat service withdrawn from 23rd October.
Lasted longer on there than I wouldve thought.
Wonder if NX would come back on it?
Quote from: Nathan on September 19, 2016, 04:41:59 PM
The 19 (Bloxwich-Walsall) has its Mon-Sat service withdrawn from 23rd October.
Another to add to the long list of successes 😂
Quote from: Alex on September 19, 2016, 07:07:36 PM
2209 has also now appeared at Wednesfield, turned up on the 57 today. Transfer or loan?
Transfer, along with 2274 and 2296.
Quote from: Bob on September 20, 2016, 12:15:57 AM
Another to add to the long list of successes 😂
But it has lasted longer than certain services!
Why did Nx give it up in the first place?
It seemed healthy loadings when I used to see 319's as was.
The drivers are diabolical.
Quote from: Dom on September 20, 2016, 04:13:13 PM
Why this time? Running late?
Indicating left when making a right turn, swearing at passengers, there past experiences
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 20, 2016, 04:40:59 PM
Indicating left when making a right turn, swearing at passengers, there past experiences
All of them
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 20, 2016, 04:40:59 PM
Indicating left when making a right turn, swearing at passengers, there past experiences
Wow, 2 examples (only 1 of which has probably ever actually happened deliberately) that makes ALL of their drivers 'diabolicol'. Before you say I'm standing up for them, I can't stand Arriva, looking forward to seeing them gone personally
Reckon they're deffo going?
Quote from: Dom on September 20, 2016, 06:43:39 PM
I think so personally.
Do you admit diamond are better? Also have all darts been converted to euro 3, as some darts sound like euro 2?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 20, 2016, 06:52:46 PM
Do you admit diamond are better? Also have all darts been converted to euro 3, as some darts sound like euro 2?
Nobody in their right mind would convert a Euro 2 dart to Euro 3.
Why would anyway spend a five figure sum on a replacement engine for a 15 year old dart
Quote from: Westy on September 20, 2016, 01:03:17 PM
But it has lasted longer than certain services!
Why did Nx give it up in the first place?
It seemed healthy loadings when I used to see 319's as was.
The old 319 was once 4 buses per hour (2x Chase + 2 x WMT).
As part of a network review WMT concentrated on service 29 at increased rrequency and left service 319 to another operator (Midland from memory).
The impression that I get is that the improved frequency on the 29 made the 319 a service of last resort - for those who couldn't walk easily to the 29 stops they remained with the 319. The 29 had an initial increase with WMT leaving the 319 and more lately the appearance of Diamond on the 29 makes it even more logical to walk to the stops that the 29 serves instead of using a closer 319 stop.
As is so often seen passengers will walk further to get to a higher frequency service rather than walk a shorter disance to a lower frequency service. However good an operator is they will inevitably have instances of buses going missing from the published timetable - a 29 going missing is a non-event as compared to a lower frequency service like the 319 losing a journey. I haven't seen any information about 319's going missing, my most recent information is that journeys on lower frequency routes going mssing is that on WMT 41 (WA) and 69 (WN) service buses sometimes have failed to operate in recent weeks.
Quote from: Tony on September 20, 2016, 07:05:59 PM
Nobody in their right mind would convert a Euro 2 dart to Euro 3.
Why would anyway spend a five figure sum on a replacement engine for a 15 year old dart
To be fair, De Courcey did something similar with their MCV's that are between 10 and 12 years old. They are still not all upgraded yet though!
http://centro.org.uk/about-us/news/2016/clean-and-green-local-heroes-hit-the-road-in-coventry/
"The technology was installed following a £404,000 grant from the Department for Transport Clean Vehicle Technology Fund after an application submitted by Centro, the delivery arm of the West Midlands Integrated Transport Authority (ITA)."
"Each of the Travel de Courcey buses was fitted with exhaust catalysts and electric hybrid engine technology which can reduce emissions by more than 90 per cent."
Quote from: Adam 404 on September 20, 2016, 08:24:25 PM
To be fair, De Courcey did something similar with their MCV's that are between 10 and 12 years old. They are still not all upgraded yet though!
http://centro.org.uk/about-us/news/2016/clean-and-green-local-heroes-hit-the-road-in-coventry/
"The technology was installed following a £404,000 grant from the Department for Transport Clean Vehicle Technology Fund after an application submitted by Centro, the delivery arm of the West Midlands Integrated Transport Authority (ITA)."
"Each of the Travel de Courcey buses was fitted with exhaust catalysts and electric hybrid engine technology which can reduce emissions by more than 90 per cent."
That's not fitting a new engine, or upgrading a Euro 2 to Euro 3 which is pretty pointless
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 20, 2016, 06:52:46 PM
Do you admit diamond are better? Also have all darts been converted to euro 3, as some darts sound like euro 2?
No, they're both as shit as each other but for differing reasons.
Quote from: Tony on September 20, 2016, 07:05:59 PM
Nobody in their right mind would convert a Euro 2 dart to Euro 3.
Why would anyway spend a five figure sum on a replacement engine for a 15 year old dart
Because the veg filter is yet to applied to the forum! :P
Quote from: Tony on September 20, 2016, 08:38:41 PM
That's not fitting a new engine, or upgrading a Euro 2 to Euro 3 which is pretty pointless
I agree with you
@Tony that the technology isn't a new engine, but this didn't stop De Courcey spending a 5 figure sum with government backing to upgrade their fleet that are now creating '90% less pollution'.
And they are equivalent to Euro 6 consequently.
Quote from: Adam 404 on September 20, 2016, 11:48:00 PM
I agree with you @Tony that the technology isn't a new engine, but this didn't stop De Courcey spending a 5 figure sum with government backing to upgrade their fleet that are now creating '90% less pollution'.
And they are equivalent to Euro 6 consequently.
That's my point. They have made them Euro 6. Making it Euro 3 would be completely pointless. Single deck 3s have been banned from Birmingham for nearly two years
Quote from: Winston on September 19, 2016, 04:47:47 PM
Might be one for Diamond to look at picking up or incorporating in to the existing Diamond 29 as a variant
They will be operating it.
Wednesfield losing many tenders? As they've given up almost on commercial no 71 no 76 etc soon no 19
Quote from: Bob on September 25, 2016, 12:01:55 PM
Wednesfield losing many tenders? As they've given up almost on commercial no 71 no 76 etc soon no 19
They've lost a couple of daytime tenders including the 50 & 224 to Diamond. They didn't win anything new.
I can't see how it's a viable garage tbf
Quote from: Bob on September 25, 2016, 01:00:40 PM
I can't see how it's a viable garage tbf
Me either, it appears to be being run down prior to eventual closure
Quote from: Winston on September 25, 2016, 12:36:14 PM
They've lost a couple of daytime tenders including the 50 & 224 to Diamond. They didn't win anything new.
The Sunday/Evenings 77 has also been lost to NX.
Quote from: Winston on September 25, 2016, 12:36:14 PM
They've lost a couple of daytime tenders including the 50 & 224 to Diamond. They didn't win anything new.
Do we reckon they even bid for anything?
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 25, 2016, 02:24:19 PM
Do we reckon they even bid for anything?
Possibly not if they're intending to close Wednesfield
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 25, 2016, 02:24:19 PM
Do we reckon they even bid for anything?
Yes they did. It is not closing, i've said this before. Just cutting the deadwood out.
Wouldn't they be left with no services at all if they cut the deadwood out
Quote from: BN on September 25, 2016, 02:50:46 PM
Yes they did. It is not closing, i've said this before. Just cutting the deadwood out.
Cutting the dead wood is a generally good approach. The issue at Wednesfield will be the fact that many of the overhead costs are the same regardless of how many buses you have running out of the depot, cutting back marginally unviable routes you then make previously viable routes unviable.
To be brutally honest though, to use the wood analogy, there isn't a lot of wood left at Wednesfield, let alone much living wood.
It's astonishing in a Centro round for an operator to bid and win absolutely nothing, the prices submitted must have been way, way out across the board.
How can it be viable? Aside from the 10 what has been successful? You only have to look at the average age of 15 years old fleet to see it isn't a successful money spinner lol
Quote from: Bob on September 25, 2016, 05:26:06 PM
How can it be viable? Aside from the 10 what has been successful? You only have to look at the average age of 15 years old fleet to see it isn't a successful money spinner lol
The 12/13/17 are very hit and miss with loadings
There is also a lot of dead mileage like 604 in Sutton Coldfield
Surprised some of the buses get that far. A cadet on the 19 yesterday was belching out black smoke and you could smell the fumes from yards away
Arriva are dead in Walsall after withdrawing of the 334 and 9 they lost passengers. There 310 and 65 have no passengers on them from Wednesbury to Willenhall so Arriva are dead and buried in Walsall.
Quote from: BusFan94 on September 27, 2016, 06:41:23 PM
Arriva are dead in Walsall after withdrawing of the 334 and 9 they lost passengers. There 310 and 65 have no passengers on them from Wednesbury to Willenhall so Arriva are dead and buried in Walsall.
Good job TfWM pay for them then isn't it.
Yea but I bet arriva don't get the next tender lol
Quote from: BusFan94 on September 27, 2016, 06:41:23 PM
Arriva are dead in Walsall after withdrawing of the 334 and 9 they lost passengers. There 310 and 65 have no passengers on them from Wednesbury to Willenhall so Arriva are dead and buried in Walsall.
Then the residents of the Kings Hill area will want a route to the Manor Hospital again, despite having the 38 withdrawn again!
Quote from: Westy on September 27, 2016, 10:40:09 PM
Then the residents of the Kings Hill area will want a route to the Manor Hospital again, despite having the 38 withdrawn again!
What do you mean 38 withdrawn again it was withdraw at the beginning of this month although Kings Hill Is not far from Darlo Bus Station where the 39 goes to the Manor Hospital
Quote from: BusFan94 on September 28, 2016, 05:53:26 PM
What do you mean 38 withdrawn again it was withdraw at the beginning of this month although Kings Hill Is not far from Darlo Bus Station where the 39 goes to the Manor Hospital
The 38 was withdrawn on July 24th. 2 months ago.
Oh well Arriva Wednesfield are still pretty much a naff operation with a similar fleet standard to cowboys
Thought it was July Thanks
To be honest it was the 639 & the 38 I was refering to.
And it may be a short distance from Kings Hill to Darlo BS but the elderly & infirm wouldnt agree.
As Ive said before, I live on the section of the 2 in Leamore that is the daytime diversion.
You can say I could walk around onto Bloxwich Road, where there is more buses, but my old mum & others like her rely on that 2 as they cant walk far, in fact we have a stop right outside our house, so its easy!
Quote from: Westy on September 28, 2016, 09:14:41 PM
To be honest it was the 639 & the 38 I was refering to.
And it may be a short distance from Kings Hill to Darlo BS but the elderly & infirm wouldnt agree.
As Ive said before, I live on the section of the 2 in Leamore that is the daytime diversion.
You can say I could walk around onto Bloxwich Road, where there is more buses, but my old mum & others like her rely on that 2 as they cant walk far, in fact we have a stop right outside our house, so its easy!
Oh well yeah for the elderly that explains why I sometimes see them on the 65 to Darlaston then they get on the 39
Quote from: Winston on September 19, 2016, 04:47:47 PM
Might be one for Diamond to look at picking up or incorporating in to the existing Diamond 29 as a variant
Diamond are taking on the route Winston
Quote from: woody38 on September 29, 2016, 11:01:12 PM
Diamond are taking on the route Winston
Yes, thanks I've seen
Shame Diamond couldn't take on the Sunday service either!
Traveline is showing Arriva working it in 23rd only.
Is the Perton Bus Barrier broken for the umpteenth time? Given the variety on the 10.
What's happened to 4797 btw?
DVSA seem to like arriva buses on the patch at Dudley bus station lately
Quote from: pndriver on October 05, 2016, 09:36:01 PM
DVSA seem to like arriva buses on the patch at Dudley bus station lately
They've got them again right now 8)
Quote from: pndriver on October 18, 2016, 07:07:41 PM
They've got them again right now 8)
How come they're targeting Arriva?
Quote from: Winston on October 18, 2016, 07:09:30 PM
How come they're targeting Arriva?
DVSA work on a 'Traffic Light' system where each operator is either Green, Amber or Red depending on previous history. If they have a choice of two vehicles to check they will always choose a Red operator over an Amber one, and an Amber one over a Green one.
If when they finish a check the only other bus available is a green one they will check that.
So it could be pure chance, or it could be Arriva Midlands North is an Amber operator, so gets chosen over Green ones.
So just to confirm 4783 has replaced 4786? And 4797 seems to have vanished. Unless Wednesfield are getting replacements for them from elsewhere before 1st Jan?
I only keep asking because I've grown fond of the DLA's before any smart arse keyboard warriors pipe up.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on October 18, 2016, 10:00:58 PM
So just to confirm 4783 has replaced 4786? And 4797 seems to have vanished. Unless Wednesfield are getting replacements for them from elsewhere before 1st Jan?
I only keep asking because I've grown fond of the DLA's before any smart arse keyboard warriors pipe up.
Ashley, 4797 was on the 10 the other day.
4797 was on the 10 today
Quote from: mranon on October 19, 2016, 10:07:43 PM
4797 was on the 10 today
Caught it home yesterday, on the night running card
2153 now at Aylesbury
What's happening with 4783 and 4797? Seeing them less and less these days and I'm sure somebody said they weren't DDA.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on December 19, 2016, 10:39:57 AM
What's happening with 4783 and 4797? Seeing them less and less these days and I'm sure somebody said they weren't DDA.
4783 seen on Wolverhampton Ring Road travelling anticlockwise 0740hrs today (Monday 19 Dec 2016) private, presumably en route to take up a service 10 duty.
both 4783 and 4797 working on the 10/10a/10b service today
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on December 19, 2016, 10:39:57 AM
What's happening with 4783 and 4797? Seeing them less and less these days and I'm sure somebody said they weren't DDA.
They have been away having DDA conversions, so ok for next year now.
Quote from: BN on December 19, 2016, 05:50:21 PM
They have been away having DDA conversions, so ok for next year now.
Cheers
@BN . Good news!
thought they were already dda bn? what does that conversion entail
What routes run from this garage?
Quote from: chris123 on January 20, 2017, 06:01:38 PM
What routes run from this garage?
8A, 10/10A/10B, 12, 13, 17, 23, 25, 27, 28E, 35/X35, 36, 41, 57, 63, 64, 65, 77, 82, 142, 208, 223, 229, 257, 310, 326, 530, 604, 637
Do Arriva still run that college RC16 too?
Edit - Cheers
@John and
@P419 EJW @Dom @Westy for what I missed. :)
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on January 20, 2017, 08:06:09 PM
10/10A/10B, 12, 13, 17, 23, 25, 27, 28E, 35/X35, 36, 41, 57, 63, 64, 65, 82, 142, 208, 229, 257, 310, 530, 604, 637
And the 77 on Sundays
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on January 20, 2017, 08:06:09 PM
10/10A/10B, 12, 13, 17, 23, 25, 27, 28E, 35/X35, 36, 41, 57, 63, 64, 65, 82, 142, 208, 229, 257, 310, 530, 604, 637
223 as well ash
8a too.
22 buses in service & some spare
How many did it have 3/4 years ago
Those evening service's they run, do they come off from day buses? E.g day drivers take the bus to the evening service starting point to change over or take vua back to depot then the next driver takes the bus out? Any cross linking of buses between routes?
Quote from: BN on January 21, 2017, 09:20:47 AM
Not quite, 36.
how many out on daytime services then
Is it closing in April?
Quote from: Bob on January 21, 2017, 05:06:23 PM
Is it closing in April?
The 142 new timetable says its run by Cannock??
Quote from: Bob on January 21, 2017, 05:06:23 PM
Is it closing in April?
I guess it depends how Arriva fair in the April round Centro tenders, as there's a number currently operated by Arriva up for re-tender.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 21, 2017, 06:29:59 PM
The 142 new timetable says its run by Cannock??
My understanding is that Wednesfield comes under Cannock anyway, a number of the functions of the depot are overseen by Cannock.
Quote from: fleetline6477 on January 21, 2017, 07:55:18 PM
My understanding is that Wednesfield comes under Cannock anyway, a number of the functions of the depot are overseen by Cannock.
Wednesfield is stand alone, nothing is overseen by Cannock.
4783 out on the 10 today. It's usually a single decker on a Sunday.
4797 is on the 27/28E.
Do Arriva run their services from Bilston separately or are some services linked as some routes seem to have potentially large layovers?
Quote from: hartshill busman 724210 on January 27, 2017, 05:36:44 PM
Do Arriva run their services from Bilston separately or are some services linked as some routes seem to have potentially large layovers?
large layovers due to early running carrying no passengers
Quote from: karl724223 on January 27, 2017, 07:36:06 PM
large layovers due to early running carrying no passengers
The 223 had a large layover in dudley today, driver parked it diagonally behind a 246 on the patch so he could urinate on the front nearside wheel.
He then sat on the bus vaping for about 15mins.......... Couldn't be bothered to walk to the toilet.
Not sure about for drivers but the public toilets at dudley bus station have been closed down. Crazy thing to do. Shows the council got nothing but contempt for passengers
Quote from: Bob on January 27, 2017, 10:59:21 PM
Not sure about for drivers but the public toilets at dudley bus station have been closed down. Crazy thing to do. Shows the council got nothing but contempt for passengers
So where can you 'go' now?
Quote from: Westy on January 27, 2017, 11:56:12 PM
So where can you 'go' now?
In the newish toilets opposite the BHF shop.
Quote from: Westy on January 27, 2017, 11:56:12 PM
So where can you 'go' now?
Does the driver rest room still exist down the steps behind the stops for the 120, 126, 140/241?
Quote from: fleetline6477 on January 28, 2017, 03:09:26 PM
Does the driver rest room still exist down the steps behind the stops for the 120, 126, 140/241?
Yeah, that's where all the other drivers from all different companies use the toilet
Optare Solo 2546 is at Wednesfield. It is working the 57 (Wolverhampton-Bilston) today.
Quote from: Bob on January 27, 2017, 10:59:21 PM
Not sure about for drivers but the public toilets at dudley bus station have been closed down. Crazy thing to do. Shows the council got nothing but contempt for passengers
Dudley council have done passengers a favour closing those disgusting toilets! :P
Quote from: Stu on February 11, 2017, 02:06:33 PM
Dudley council have done passengers a favour closing those disgusting toilets! :P
They were only disgusting cos of the state the council let them get into
Wednesdfield is closing in April, lost all its tenders for April, services that are left are going to cannock until contracts are finished, Tamworth is getting the 35 which will be extended to Tamworth. GM was pulled out a number of weeks ago and sent to Shrewsbury interim is there until closure. Diamond secured most of the tenders this year. Hence the reason for the fleet increase in O licence.
Hmmmmm Cannock next?
*tries to suppress hysterics*
Walsall to Tamworth...by Dart?
*fails to suppress hysterics*
Probably sell Cannock if someone makes an offer?
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 13, 2017, 06:46:08 PM
*tries to suppress hysterics*
Walsall to Tamworth...by Dart?
*fails to suppress hysterics*
Sounds good to me ;)
Quote from: MrB on February 13, 2017, 05:12:28 PM
Wednesdfield is closing in April, lost all its tenders for April, services that are left are going to cannock until contracts are finished, Tamworth is getting the 35 which will be extended to Tamworth. GM was pulled out a number of weeks ago and sent to Shrewsbury interim is there until closure. Diamond secured most of the tenders this year. Hence the reason for the fleet increase in O licence.
What about the 10 Wolves-Perton-Pattingham is the going to Cannock or is somebody else taking it on.
Quote from: woody38 on February 13, 2017, 06:57:53 PM
Quote from: MrB on February 13, 2017, 05:12:28 PM
Wednesdfield is closing in April, lost all its tenders for April, services that are left are going to cannock until contracts are finished, Tamworth is getting the 35 which will be extended to Tamworth. GM was pulled out a number of weeks ago and sent to Shrewsbury interim is there until closure. Diamond secured most of the tenders this year. Hence the reason for the fleet increase in O licence.
What about the 10 Wolves-Perton-Pattingham is the going to Cannock or is somebody else taking it on.
Apparently it's moving to Telford garage
Quote from: MrB on February 13, 2017, 05:12:28 PM
Wednesdfield is closing in April, lost all its tenders for April, services that are left are going to cannock until contracts are finished, Tamworth is getting the 35 which will be extended to Tamworth. GM was pulled out a number of weeks ago and sent to Shrewsbury interim is there until closure. Diamond secured most of the tenders this year. Hence the reason for the fleet increase in O licence.
Its good but its not right.
Did Arriva even bid for the tenders that Diamond have won? It seems like the perfect opportunity to close Wednesfield, many of the routes lost would be the ones that were awarded to Hill Top 5 years ago. Since then it has been apparant that Arriva have been losing interesting in the Centro area, with numerous withdrawals and fleet size shrinking.
Quote from: Will on February 13, 2017, 07:05:08 PM
What about the 10 Wolves-Perton-Pattingham is the going to Cannock or is somebody else taking it on.
Apparently it's moving to Telford garage
Couldnt they link it with the 9 somehow?
In fact wasnt there a Wolves to Bridgnorth via Pattingham a few years back?
Quote from: Winston on February 13, 2017, 11:18:58 PM
Did Arriva even bid for the tenders that Diamond have won? It seems like the perfect opportunity to close Wednesfield, many of the routes lost would be the ones that were awarded to Hill Top 5 years ago. Since then it has been apparant that Arriva have been losing interesting in the Centro area, with numerous withdrawals and fleet size shrinking.
Every commercial route they launched was an epic failure
Quote from: Westy on February 14, 2017, 12:02:20 AM
Couldnt they link it with the 9 somehow?
In fact wasnt there a Wolves to Bridgnorth via Pattingham a few years back?
At this point it looks like it'd make sense to merge the two
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 13, 2017, 06:46:08 PM
*tries to suppress hysterics*
Walsall to Tamworth...by Dart?
*fails to suppress hysterics*
Well if it's extended to Tamworth, then logic says it's becoming a part of the x65, and so likelihood of Mercs which I'm not gonna lie excites me somewhat
In fact. With the Walsall - Aldridge and Lichfield - Tamworth sections being half hourly, you never know they might just up it to half hourly for the entire length
Would think it would run placing journeys run 3 from Tamworth to litchfield to start service or the first 3 trips & last 3 trips to/from Tamworth
Are there normally major delays on any of those sections like there is when Cannock interwork the Cannock to Lichfield & Lichfield to Stafford?
Quote from: Winston on February 13, 2017, 11:18:58 PM
Did Arriva even bid for the tenders that Diamond have won? It seems like the perfect opportunity to close Wednesfield, many of the routes lost would be the ones that were awarded to Hill Top 5 years ago. Since then it has been apparant that Arriva have been losing interesting in the Centro area, with numerous withdrawals and fleet size shrinking.
Which is the point I made on the April tenders thread....I find it more than a coincidence that Diamond announced their expansion at Tividale on more or less the same day that Arriva announced they were pulling out of Burton. It seems to me that perhaps following a review that led to Burton's sale they looked at getting out of Wednesfield then. Most interesting that Diamond bid in a block for the whole lot & that the belief is that Arriva didn't bother.
From what I know, they pulled all Hilltops route out to prop up wedensfield, the depot has made no money since the day it opened and has been losing money hand over fist. But thats the arriva way, close a small profitable depot to prop up a lose making one.
Quote from: MrB on February 14, 2017, 07:06:09 PM
From what I know, they pulled all Hilltops route out to prop up wedensfield, the depot has made no money since the day it opened and has been losing money hand over fist. But thats the arriva way, close a small profitable depot to prop up a lose making one.
Wednesfield not making is money since it opened is different to what Arriva staff have posted on here previously. Also, I was under the impression that the Centro contracts won for Hill Top of a 5 year contract where what was hurting Wednesfield in th latter years of the contract at leass?
Quote from: Winston on February 14, 2017, 10:25:50 PM
Wednesfield not making is money since it opened is different to what Arriva staff have posted on here previously. Also, I was under the impression that the Centro contracts won for Hill Top of a 5 year contract where what was hurting Wednesfield in th latter years of the contract at leass?
Wednesfield didn't open until a year later, Hilltop was making money, Centro was unhappy with the amount of break downs and poor service Wednesfield was conducting, so the put Hilltops fleet and revenue into Wednesfield. Apparently Wednesfield were losing 80K a week. the contracts that they took over from midland were c**p any how. Wednesfield original had a PVR of 80.
Why did arriva buy midland if the contracts were c**p & who ran the hill top services before arriva took them over
Why didn't they compete on some NX routes?
Diamond did. Examples, the Walsall to Bloxwich corridor, the 4, the 50, the 16 & they're still going.
Once they had familiarity in the area, then introduce some other routes.
Out of curiosity, how is Diamond doing with the 19 in Walsall since Arriva gave up recently?
Basically, it's going to be split NX & Diamond on the Black Country evening & Sunday tendered work in future, as I can't see anyone else having a crack at that work in future.
Quote from: MrB on February 15, 2017, 12:06:14 AM
Wednesfield didn't open until a year later, Hilltop was making money, Centro was unhappy with the amount of break downs and poor service Wednesfield was conducting, so the put Hilltops fleet and revenue into Wednesfield. Apparently Wednesfield were losing 80K a week. the contracts that they took over from midland were c**p any how. Wednesfield original had a PVR of 80.
Fancy an Arriva garage suffering poor reliability and breakdowns 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Quote from: Westy on February 15, 2017, 06:06:31 PM
Why didn't they compete on some NX routes?
Diamond did. Examples, the Walsall to Bloxwich corridor, the 4, the 50, the 16 & they're still going.
Once they had familiarity in the area, then introduce some other routes.
Out of curiosity, how is Diamond doing with the 19 in Walsall since Arriva gave up recently?
Basically, it's going to be split NX & Diamond on the Black Country evening & Sunday tendered work in future, as I can't see anyone else having a crack at that work in future.
After a fashion they did, their extension of the 19 from Bloxwich to Wolves against the NX 89, just never persevered with it.
Would mention the 10 to Perton but not entirely sure you can class that as their competiton, they just took on the old Midland route
A study of Midland's accounts (Liyell Ltd) over a 15 year period shows:
As at 31 Dec 1999 net assets (= accumulated over the years profits) £ 299k
As at 31 Dec 2001 - net assets £371k
As at 31 Dec 2004 - net assets £354k
As a 31 August 2005 - net assets £254k
As at 31 August 2006 net assets £158k
As at 31 August 2007 - net liabilities now £148k infers serious losses incurred in year to 31 August 2007
As at 31 August 2008 - net liabilities now £695k - more serious losses inferred 2007/08
As at 31 August 2009 - the low point - net liabilities now £851k so more losses, 2008/09
As at 31 August 2010 - net liabilities now £818k - infers profits achieved 2008/09
As at 31 August 2011 - net liabilities now reduced to £460k, again infers (significant) profits 2010/11
As at 31 August 2012 - net liabilities now further reduced to £83k, so again looks like good profits 2011/12
Finally wound up in 2014 and £287k distributed to shareholders - inferring good profits from 31 Aug 2012 (last published accounts) to November 2014 winding up (MVL - all creditors paid off in full).
So, based on the above Liyell Ltd started going downhill around 2001-2004, with a low point in 2010 then started recovering each year from past losses.
"k" - £1,000 above so £851k = £ 851,000 net losses accumulated as at 31 Aug 2009 got turned around into net assets for shareholders of £ 287k, ie. £287,000 by November 2014... presumably about £1million of profit achieved over 2009-2014 period.
So, my conclusion is that a profitable entity was taken over by Arriva from Midland (Liyell Ltd), which I speculate was ruined by low-ball tender prices by Arriva in 2012 lumped into the former Liyell Ltd (Midland) operation.
Quote from: Walsall1955 on February 15, 2017, 07:54:28 PM
So, my conclusion is that a profitable entity was taken over by Arriva from Midland (Liyell Ltd), which I speculate was ruined by low-ball tender prices by Arriva in 2012 lumped into the former Liyell Ltd (Midland) operation.
That's how I understand things happened, Arriva submitted a package bid to gain the Black Country tenders to operate out of Hill Top depot on a 5 year basis as opposed to the usual 3 with nearly new E200's. Obviously even if there were profitable at the start, 5 years on based on a fixed price I'm they would costly Arriva money to keep operating.
Looks like it's finished. Union awaiting call from the scoucer Cheveroux regarding talks with diamond to offer drivers currently at wednesfield jobs with diamond. Rumours of 80% tender losses. Staff at Wednesfield kept totally in the dark.
Sign will be coming down in a month !!!!
It's made ain't it they was only recently advertising for drivers!
Sounds stupid but why on earth haven't Arriva issued a statement/press release? Because at least when Whittle Bus "folded" in Kidderminster EYMS did actually issue a press release/statement confirming that would be ceasing trading
What will happen to 637 if Wednesfield shuts & the eves/Sunday contracts
Quote from: Solo1 on February 21, 2017, 11:50:50 AM
What will happen to 637 if Wednesfield shuts & the eves/Sunday contracts
Someone said whatever is left is moving to Cannock until the Centro contract concerned finishes.
There will be a few anomalies, as its reckoned the 35 will move to Tamworth.
Quote from: Westy on February 21, 2017, 01:05:01 PM
Someone said whatever is left is moving to Cannock until the Centro contract concerned finishes.
There will be a few anomalies, as its reckoned the 35 will move to Tamworth.
and the 10 to Telford.
Quote from: Will on February 13, 2017, 07:05:08 PM
Apparently it's moving to Telford garage
Quote from: Westy on February 21, 2017, 01:05:01 PM
Someone said whatever is left is moving to Cannock until the Centro contract concerned
when are the other contracts set to end
@Solo1Provided by Centro
https://1drv.ms/x/s!AkYwwM3qx22AgZFJamtQMCEA3U5UWQ
I find it amusing how on the Arriva careers website it advertises that they're STILL looking for drivers for Wednesfield clearly no one has told the HR team... 😂😂 https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/midlands/jobs/live-vacancies/bus-drivers---wednesfield/
Quote from: Will on February 22, 2017, 06:48:32 PM
I find it amusing how on the Arriva careers website it advertises that they're STILL looking for drivers for Wednesfield clearly no one has told the HR team... 😂😂 https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/midlands/jobs/live-vacancies/bus-drivers---wednesfield/
They are not keeping the webiste up to date. Closing Date: Thu 31 December, 2015!
About as good at running a site as they are at running buses 😂😂😂😂
Quote from: busfan2847 on February 22, 2017, 06:50:58 PM
They are not keeping the webiste up to date. Closing Date: Thu 31 December, 2015!
Yep - typical Arriva! keep it running as long as possible even though it's well past it!
Wednesfield's last day in operation will be April 22nd. Drivers are being offered other employment. No redundancies unless a driver rejects the offers he is given.
As
@Dom has said the last day of operations will be 22 April we now we await the official statement from Arriva which I'm guessing will be impending
Which Wednesfield Buses will be heading for Hinckley next month
First public mention today in the E & S of the Wednesfield issues.
@Westy http://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport-news/2017/03/04/bus-operator-arriva-hold-talks-over-future-of-services-run-from-wednesfield-depot/
Quote from: Westy on March 04, 2017, 03:21:49 PM
First public mention today in the E & S of the Wednesfield issues.
@Westy
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport-news/2017/03/04/bus-operator-arriva-hold-talks-over-future-of-services-run-from-wednesfield-depot/
QuoteBus operator Arriva has refused to confirm reports services run from its Wednesfield depot are to be 'transferred' to rival firm Diamond
They lost the TfWM contracts, the services are not just being 'transferred'. Could the E&S not do a little research before publishing this article? Oh wait, its the E&S! :D
Quote from: Stu on March 04, 2017, 05:13:56 PM
They lost the TfWM contracts, the services are not just being 'transferred'. Could the E&S not do a little research before publishing this article? Oh wait, its the E&S! :D
Typical of the lazy standard of journalism these days....don't let the facts ruin your story!
A lot of their stories are short on real facts and as for the photos accompanying them, I'm not surprised the one they used was of a long sold Arriva vehicle. As you said sloppy.
I gave the Express and star the story as I attended the meeting on 2/3/17.
Express and star can only print what they
Know to be true and as they
Couldn't verify it with Arriva and Diamond they couldn't really publish a lot more. However, they will after viewing the video of the meeting I have just sent them in which mr cheveroux read out a company statement specifying that 15 drivers will be relocated to Tamworth, 14 drivers to Telford, 2 drivers to Cannock and the other 50
Staff would be tupe transferred to diamond in Tipton.
Personal manager was quite clear that no redundancies will be made as a tupe transfer is taking place. Anyone refusing to go to diamond will be in effect resigning and as such will have made themselves unemployed.
Arriva walk away from Wednesfield costing themselves nowt.!!
I
Hopefully cannock next 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
How many drivers are moving to tividale is it 50 drivers if so where the administration staff cleaners engineers going
2 engineers places with arriva, all other staff including drivers, cleaners, shuttle drivers and admin get tupe to diamond.
In statement it said if too many drivers opt to move to Cannock, Tamworth and Telford, the companies selection procedure would be used to select staff which includes 3 key elements, length of service, conduct and sickness/punctuality and two other factors , accident record another, both to be discussed with the union. Basically Arriva will take the cream and Diamond will get whatever's left. Know doubt diamond will further whittle down the numbers once they have the transferred staff with them.
I'm surprised there's only 2 drivers spaces at cannock considering it's proximity to Wednesfield compared with Tamworth /Telford
Quote from: Bob on March 05, 2017, 03:17:00 PM
I'm surprised there's only 2 drivers spaces at cannock considering it's proximity to Wednesfield compared with Tamworth /Telford
Do those driver number suggest that the remaining Arriva Centro contracts will now also be moving to Diamond at the same time?
With just 35/35A & X35 moving to Tamworth
10 to Telford.
Simon originally confirmed on here that Diamond needed an additional 35 drivers, not 50 now being quoted as moving across
Yes, it was confirmed that the 20% contracts arriva had until October 2017 are moving to diamond as well on 23/04/17. That's how arriva were able to negotiate the tupe transfer.
Quote from: Daveheggerty on March 05, 2017, 06:16:21 PM
Yes, it was confirmed that the 20% contracts arriva had until October 2017 are moving to diamond as well on 23/04/17. That's how arriva were able to negotiate the tupe transfer.
Nice chunk of extra work for Diamond then with those won on tender & those transferring from Arriva. Arriva manage to exit Wednesfield with drastically reduced costs.
Diamond may well need some additional buses then, as the 229 & 326 both need more than one bus each
With so much work and staff simply transferring over to Diamond, are they having some buses as well? If so, shall we take bets now on how long we'll see Diamond buses still in Arriva livery? Lol
Quote from: Kevin on March 05, 2017, 07:15:55 PM
With so much work and staff simply transferring over to Diamond, are they having some buses as well? If so, shall we take bets now on how long we'll see Diamond buses still in Arriva livery? Lol
That's a good point when Diamond took over Kidderminster from First three 54-reg Darts that were included in the sale (30930,VX54MUC); (30931,VX54MUO); (30932,VX54MUP) were being used in service still in First livery for around 6 months for 2 of those the last of those buses was painted during mid-2014 ::) so going back to your question I do wonder that myself how long will they be riding still in Arriva livery for
Quote from: Will on March 05, 2017, 08:21:23 PM
That's a good point when Diamond took over Kidderminster from First three 54-reg Darts that were included in the sale (30930,VX54MUC); (30931,VX54MUO); (30932,VX54MUP) were being used in service still in First livery for around 6 months for 2 of those the last of those buses was painted during mid-2014 ::) so going back to your question I do wonder that myself how long will they be riding still in Arriva livery for
Diamond have already purchased 11 x Optare Solo's for the newly won tendered work, they may well only need additional buses for taking on the Arriva contracts that are still to run.
They may well source their extra vehicles or loan some of Arriva's short term, they still have 7 weeks to source & prep vehicles.
This isn't an acquisition by Rotala, like the First KR & RH business was, a large chunk of the work was won on tender.
Will be interesting how many of those 50 drivers who transfer will stay with Diamond long term. When First sold KR and Redditch, very few drivers made the transfer over with most moving to Worcester garage or Whittles, or leaving elsewhere. The stories from ex-Diamond drivers about that company, who I work alongside now, make very interesting listening!!! I am pretty sure that 50 will not be 50 for very long! NXWM Wolverhampton or Walsall garage will no doubt have several knocks at the door!
It was the same for Chase drivers when Arriva took em over
I wouldn't think Diamond would want any of Wednesfield fleet lol
I would hardly say arriva drivers were decent. Diamond is probably a step up
Don't think it was an acquisition by diamond, rather a giveaway by Arriva who increased their tendered prices considerably to make sure they'd lose the work
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 05, 2017, 10:17:26 PM
I would hardly say arriva drivers were decent. Diamond is probably a step up
Why? An awful thing to say. Nothing wrong with Arriva drivers
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 05, 2017, 10:17:26 PM
I would hardly say arriva drivers were decent. Diamond is probably a step up
At least they can drive a bus. It's a level move.
Quote from: Kevin on March 05, 2017, 07:15:55 PM
With so much work and staff simply transferring over to Diamond, are they having some buses as well? If so, shall we take bets now on how long we'll see Diamond buses still in Arriva livery? Lol
No vehicles are included in the deal.
How many non driving jobs are moving to diamond
I would imagine the buses will transfer to other depots
is the 10 staying with arriva? I know quite a few people at wednesfield, most through the choice days. I feel for everyone involved, and think its rather unfair that those are the choices. why don't they do the decent thing and if people want redundancy let them have it. yes it costs, but can they really expect people who work at wednesfield to travel all that distance everyday to work.
Quote from: S . V . B on March 06, 2017, 11:45:33 AM
I reckon cadets to CK
I reckon dennis to HY
Anyone 2ND that ? ?
& the deckers to where
Quote from: mranon on March 06, 2017, 09:17:21 PM
is the 10 staying with arriva? I know quite a few people at wednesfield, most through the choice days. I feel for everyone involved, and think its rather unfair that those are the choices. why don't they do the decent thing and if people want redundancy let them have it. yes it costs, but can they really expect people who work at wednesfield to travel all that distance everyday to work.
Wish they'd give me that option, when we moved!
We were conned basically.
Surely they're mostly coming up for withdrawal
The youngest bus in the Wednesfield allocation is 14 years old. What happens to the allocation is going to depend on what routes go to which garage and how many spare buses are available at each of those garages already, allowing for cover for the inevitable breakdown or two. I suspect that the majority will be withdrawn/sold/scrapped to reduce the asset base otherwise the cost of them will just be an additional cost to the garage they go to. It is possible of course that the right down cost of these old vehicles is so low that it won't matter what happens to them.
They could move the fleet anywhere in the country what's the
Oldest bus in the fleet I know they still have Y reg & X reg ones
They'll probably send them for scrap.
Cannocks only allegedly having two drivers so it would depend what work they're taking on surely? I hope they don't have Wednesfield scrap. Wasn't unreliability an issue with Network WM?
Maybe cos it's next on the list.....
2702 is appearing on the 13 quite a bit recently.
Why don't you just wait and see lol. Most of Wednesfield fleet are skips on wheels
Also what routes do Cannock have suitable for small vehicles? That said given decline in patronage probably every one. But do we really want to go back to the days of MPDs on longer routes like 3 60 62 70 71 74 75 and the associated breakdowns that used to be almost daily? ??
Does anyone have any idea how many buses are currently employed on Wednesfield's Centro tendered routes that Diamond will be taking over as of the end of April?
Quote from: Winston on March 09, 2017, 08:18:54 PM
Does anyone have any idea how many buses are currently employed on Wednesfield's Centro tendered routes that Diamond will be taking over as of the end of April?
Think BN said the garage PVR was 36. Take out the 10 and 35 and the number you're looking for is 27 or 28 roughly.
Where will the 310 and 65 if they still run it divert due to a sinkhole appearing on Franchise Street outside the Cottage Spring Pub or it will not affect them because of them running every Hour also what is the PVR for the 310 or 65.
Lol you do repeat yourself constant 😊
Quote from: SI on March 11, 2017, 07:30:41 AM
I was saying in the TD
thread , wonder if the
2 deckers are going to
end life on TD fleet or
are they not going on
Telford fleetlist come
April from WD fleet ?
Also i wondered if TD
would get BF52 OAG ?
Sorry if repeat self in
alot of these topics : )
Just very keen to find
out where WD vehicle
are going to end up +
the fact that i am not
a very patient bus fan
4786 and 4797 will be withdrawn on closure.
Quote from: SI on March 11, 2017, 08:10:43 AM
I know sorry everyone
Have ( O . C . D ) on WD
thread at the moment
will try not to post on
Wednesfield thread : )
You can all have a rest
as this is my last post
of the day on forum .
I ran out of questions
Lol 😃
Quote from: BN on March 11, 2017, 09:33:20 AM
4786 and 4797 will be withdrawn on closure.
surely you mean 4783 bn? surprised after spending on them to meet psvar regs a few months ago.
Quote from: SI on March 13, 2017, 10:05:57 AM
Reckon was just a typo
I knew what he meant
Yes does seem strange
after modifying these
to meet the standards
I thought these would
have transferred - TD
if anything but seems
that i got that wrong .
Why do u only write half the page, is it because u have autism like me & it's different to what other people do.
Na he's got OCD
To be fair mate they don't look neat and tidy they look a bit strange but hey ho if we were all the same it'd be a boring world eh 😊
Quote from: SI on March 13, 2017, 08:45:30 PM
No woody38 have OCD
Severe OCD . However
not autistic , however
in answer to question
people with OCD like i
have like thing neat &
tidy , like my posts to
be neat & tidy hence i
post the way i post &
tend to repeat myself
especially in this topic
which might annoy a
few people on here . I
have illness though so
cannot help sometime
as it is so severe , so i
hope people on forum
dont have issues with
it , had few comment
now about way i post
I cannot seem to win
I'm with Bob in that your posts look a little odd and take a bit of getting used to......however I certainly don't have any issue with this especially given your OCD and you're clearly passionate about your buses so don't really see how anyone can have a problem with that. Keep 'em coming mate!
Quote from: SI on March 13, 2017, 08:45:30 PM
No woody38 have OCD
severe OCD . However
not autistic , however
in answer to question
people with OCD like i
have like thing neat &
tidy , like my posts to
be neat & tidy hence i
post the way i post &
they look neat & tidy
on my mobile . Also i
tend to repeat myself
especially in this topic
So may well irritate a
few people on here . I
have illness though so
cannot help sometime
as it is so severe , so i
hope people on forum
dont have issues with
it , had few comment
now about way i post
I cannot seem to win
Fair play to u son sorry to be offensive
http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/news/alliance-news/detail/1490345606489644800.html
Before Bob says it, is there 9 decent Darts at Wednesfield? LOL
Some routes havent been mentioned.
What about the 326? Is Cannock keeping it or Diamond having it?
Quote from: Westy on March 24, 2017, 09:53:05 AM
Before Bob says it, is there 9 decent Darts at Wednesfield? LOL
Some routes havent been mentioned.
What about the 326? Is Cannock keeping it or Diamond having it?
Diamond take over everything except the 10A/B & 335 which Arriva retain as per the statement
Quote from: Winston on March 24, 2017, 11:18:13 AM
Diamond take over everything except the 10A/B & 335 which Arriva retain as per the statement
Shouldn't it be the 35?
2102/3 2268/69/70/71/72)73/74/75 could be those?
Quote from: Busman Jamie on March 24, 2017, 11:32:08 AM
2102/3 2268/69/70/71/72)73/74/75 could be those?
Rotala are hoping not to have to use any (seriously!)
Could potentially be the 9 cadets at the Wednesfield operation? They seem to frequently work the 229/326 that are now moving across?
25 Pendeford-Bilston Sunday
27 Wolves-Dudley, evening/Sunday
57 Wolves-Bilston
65 Darlaston-Woods Est
77 Walsall-Sutton Sunday only service
229 Daytimes
28E Wolves-Willenhall evening/Sunday
326 Bloxwich
637
530 AM journeys
I make that the current Wednesfield routes, any corrections appreciated!
326/229/65/637/57 are the daytime routes. PVR around 2 for 57, 1 for 637, 1 for 65 then 5 between 326/229.
229 I think is 4 buses
2731 now freshly repainted, should be back in Wednesfield tomorrow.
I wonder if the BU03 dafs will move to Luton with sister buses after the closure of Wednesfield
Why don't you just put it wonder what will happen to Wednesfield fleet mate ? 😊
Quote from: SI on March 30, 2017, 02:55:23 AM
Whats going to happen
to these after closure ?
All of WD : BU02 : Plate
All of WD : BF52 : Plate
All of WD : SK52 : Plate
All of WD : BU03 : Plate
All of WD : SN03 : Plate
I know that 2 deckers
will get withdrawn on
closure but dont know
about rest of the fleet
keen to confirm these
Why don't you just wait and see instead of spamming and asking things nobody on here will be able to answer. If they were in a position to confirm, it'd already be said.
What's with all these nutters in the Staffordshire/Pensnett threads eh?
Edit: Wikipedia says Wednesfield is in the West Midlands. Hmmm
Mate without having a go I think he just means that your just asking the same questions over different sections on here maybe put all of your enquiries into one or two? We appreciate that you are mentally ill and should allow for that 😊
Would have been easier to put what's happening with the Wednesfield fleet then mate
I think the LJ51 will be withdrawn as many of them have been or maybe some of the fleet will transfer to the shires.... Who knows? All will be revealed
Out of interest SI you know if you were writing with a pen do you write the same as you type sorta thing? 😊
Quote from: SI on March 30, 2017, 11:05:22 PM
@ BOB really depends
how severe OCD gets
and if i can control it !
On here it is noticable
as being very severe
hence the way i post
and hard to control . I
tend to type lot more
than i write with pen
so i would say typing
is worse OCD wise in
answer - post @ BOB
anyway back - buses
as this is bus forum !
& not an OCD forum .
Sorry to go off topic
other members here
just replying @ BOB !
Back to Wednesfield
garage thread please
My OCD has a problem with the way you type. Can you please write normally?@MW - Personal attacks on the forum are banned, any more & you will be removed from the forum, Winston
No need for that.
Whys there loads of deleted posts on the different garage subjects?
I suspect that SI has got fed up with some of the nasty comments being made about his OCD. Yes the way and what he posts can be a little annoying but give the guy a chance, accept the way he is and let him alone.
I don't mind the way he posts I think some got fed up of the repeated questions on posts maybe
Arriva don't help themselves
Witnessed the 12 leave merry hill 6 minutes late
Witnessed the 17 leaving merry hill 8 minutes late.
For these routes you would expect no delays, the entire routes under 30 minutes long!!
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 05, 2017, 12:19:22 PM
Arriva don't help themselves
Witnessed the 12 leave merry hill 6 minutes late
Witnessed the 17 leaving merry hill 8 minutes late.
For these routes you would expect no delays, the entire routes under 30 minutes long!!
For crying out loud he's started on Arriva now...
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 05, 2017, 02:22:06 PM
For crying out loud he's started on Arriva now...
Let's see how diamond fare with these routes, I'm glad he has got the time to time how late the buses get.
Oh My he left Halesowen!
Only 18 days of Arriva left in the Midlands!!! Excluding the odd route!
They started so well (the Enviro 200s!) And ended with the scrap!
I wonder which of Wednesfield buses will turn up at Different arriva depots with 10 days left before it closes
I think Hinckley could get some buses in
I suspect it will depend if there is anything newer at Wednesfield than is at Hinckley. I would suspect the only potential would be a Cadet moving to Hinckley for their increased PVR.
Well the wonderful generous directors at Arriva have decided to pay a £300 one off payment to employees who complete all their shifts until closure on the 22nd. So no sickness allowed.
The payment is also a combined one off payment to the 15 drivers tipped to diamond as a thank you for their hard work and also a one off payment to Wednesfield staff transferring to Tamworth, Telford and Cannock to help with relocation costs!!!!??
Considering some drivers will be travelling 60 miles a day to their new garages, £300 is basically 4 weeks petrol money, never mind the extra 2 hours travel time to work each day.
The generous offer was made on the same day that Arriva announced its revenues had increased by 5.2% to 4.43 billion pounds.
They could of given them more with the amount they have taken
So the ill drivers are allowed to infect the passengers for £300?
This is the list of what is happening to the Wednesfield fleet
2102,2103,2155,2156,2158,2269,2270,2272,2738 to Diamond
2702,2730,2732,4797 to Telford
2703,2704,2706,2707,2209,2273 To Tamworth
2728 To Hinckley
The following go on Loan
2162,2276,2295 To Derby
2211,2212 To Tamworth
2274,2275 To Thurmaston
2106 goes back to Hinckley
2737,2740 From Cannock to Hinckley
3805,3806 from Thurmaston to Cannock
3801 Thurmaston to Derby
So the ex London sheds are staying at cannock and newer cadets going to hinckley....
Poor Tamworth though....I'd imagine these are a temporary arrangement?
Are the buses shown as transferring from Arriva to Rotala permanent or not? And if so,do Rotala have plans for upgrading them?
Quote from: markcf83 on April 21, 2017, 08:08:03 PM
Are the buses shown as transferring from Arriva to Rotala permanent or not? And if so,do Rotala have plans for upgrading them?
Yes, permanent, not to upgrading them. They only intend using them 'if they have to'
Thanks Tony.
What's happening to 2705? Can't see it on the list
2705 is due to be withdrawn.
I had 2168 on the 257 where is that destined to go?
Whete are they other 10 buses going from arriva Wednesfield
Quote from: Tony on April 21, 2017, 08:12:59 PM
Yes, permanent, not to upgrading them. They only intend using them 'if they have to'
Would I be correct in thinking that they won't be repainted & will just have Diamond stickers over the Arriva livery?
Interesting to note, unless it's hidden away somewhere, that Arriva haven't mentioned the loss of Wednesfield depot on their website & the links for the timetable changes on the 35 don't work either!
I was told the arriva buses willl be parked over the rd with the scrap buses & not used at all
Quote from: andyallen4014 on April 21, 2017, 09:09:07 PM
2705 is due to be withdrawn.
4783 is that also to be withdrawn?
Quote from: Westy on April 21, 2017, 11:02:44 PM
Interesting to note, unless it's hidden away somewhere, that Arriva haven't mentioned the loss of Wednesfield depot on their website & the links for the timetable changes on the 35 don't work either!
the 35 has been showing "no timetable available" on the Arriva website for several weeks.
any vehicles left in Wednesfield depot now ?
There was a few darts, 4783,2705
Quote from: Westy on April 21, 2017, 10:57:09 PM
Would I be correct in thinking that they won't be repainted & will just have Diamond stickers over the Arriva livery?
Yes seen one on the 635 on Wednesday
Just wondering what depot operates the 35
Quote from: BusMan Greg on June 12, 2017, 07:44:43 PM
Just wondering what depot operates the 35
Tamworth. Believe it has been mentioned in that thread
@BusMan Greg
Quote from: Adam 404 on June 12, 2017, 07:47:46 PM
Tamworth. Believe it has been mentioned in that thread @BusMan Greg
Interworked with the Tamworth to Lichfield route.
Why dont they run it as a through route officially?
Who owns the Wednesfield premises now!
Diamond
Diamond don't own it, it's owned by Kays transport