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Title: Yellow Buses
Post by: the trainbasher on July 29, 2022, 04:34:12 PM
Yellow Buses have gone into administration (https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/20588329.yellow-buses-gone-administration/)

Quote from: Bournemouth EchoThe bus company, which is in its 120th year, has been handed over to Milsted Langdon LLP, a statement by the accountants said.

A loss of revenue, rising fuel prices and the general rise in inflation have all been blamed as factors for the decision.

In a joint statement, Simon Rowe and Rachel Hotham of Milsted and Langdon LLP said: "We recognise that many people rely on the Yellow Bus network for all sorts of aspects of their daily lives and that for them and the 300 staff employed by the business this is an unsettling time.

"We can recognise this and want to reassure everyone that we and our team are doing all we can to ensure that the business continues to operate as normal as possible under the circumstances and continues to do so into the future."

Yellow Buses, which trades as Bournemouth Transport Limited, has been struggling like all bus companies thanks to the "challenges" of COVID and the lifestyle habit changes which have followed – such as people working from home

The directors of the business have "for some time" been looking for outside investment or buyers for Yellow Buses.

The statement added: "Negotiations with a large national operator have entered the final stages and we hope to be able to conclude within a matter of days."
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: Coventrybususer95 on July 29, 2022, 04:57:00 PM
Wonder who is the "National bus company" is
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: MW on July 29, 2022, 05:12:29 PM
NX and Rotala seem to be the favourites. 

Anybody else really will be a surprise!
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: Coventrybususer95 on July 29, 2022, 06:08:13 PM
Quote from: MW on July 29, 2022, 05:12:29 PMNX and Rotala seem to be the favourites.

Anybody else really will be a surprise!

Hope it's not Rotala anything like the Midlands they will never be on time
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: Stu on July 29, 2022, 07:26:12 PM
Quote from: MW on July 29, 2022, 05:12:29 PMNX and Rotala seem to be the favourites.

Anybody else really will be a surprise!

This company is based in Bournemouth, why would NX or Rotala be 'favourites'? Bit out of the way for them!


Sadly I think we're going to see more of this over the next few years, and to an extent we've already seen signs of this in the West Midlands, what with Claribels and Johnsons throwing in the towel and selling their bus operations to a 'bigger' operation.

Smaller independent operators are going to struggle to keep up the pace, and will face stark choices as to whether to sell up or go into administration.

Either way, these smaller operators get 'absorbed' into bigger operating companies.

It is certainly not a good time for any ambitious individual to be starting up a new bus company from scratch, and perhaps some smaller more-successful local operators might be waiting out for a 'decent offer' from a larger group.
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: 2206 on July 29, 2022, 07:36:45 PM
Go Ahead is the local large operator down there I think.
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: BN on July 29, 2022, 07:39:56 PM
Quote from: MW on July 29, 2022, 05:12:29 PMNX and Rotala seem to be the favourites.

Anybody else really will be a surprise!
What makes you say they are favourites? Anybody else would be a surprise, well Hants and Dorset are on the doorstep so my money would be on Go ahead.
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: MW on July 29, 2022, 07:40:44 PM
Quote from: Stu on July 29, 2022, 07:26:12 PMThis company is based in Bournemouth, why would NX or Rotala be 'favourites'? Bit out of the way for them!


Sadly I think we're going to see more of this over the next few years, and to an extent we've already seen signs of this in the West Midlands, what with Claribels and Johnsons throwing in the towel and selling their bus operations to a 'bigger' operation.

Smaller independent operators are going to struggle to keep up the pace, and will face stark choices as to whether to sell up or go into administration.

Either way, these smaller operators get 'absorbed' into bigger operating companies.

It is certainly not a good time for any ambitious individual to be starting up a new bus company from scratch, and perhaps some smaller more-successful local operators might be waiting out for a 'decent offer' from a larger group.

Both NX & Rotala have expressed ambition to expand into new markets, whilst First & Arriva have winded down in recent times.

Rotala have stated their desire to expand across the UK via acquisitions both in current markets and new markets.

NX in recent years have purchased/expanded via NEAT and NETS.

I'm not too familiar with the NX coach network, but NX have also in recent times taken on more coach work 'in house', so perhaps this opportunity would fit in well to cut costs and minimise overheads at group level. The flip side being, Bournemouth is of course home to two large operators, the other being Go Ahead. Not as much of a monopoly on market share.

I think both groups are strong contenders. Any other potential buyer would, for me, be a surprise.
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: winston on July 29, 2022, 10:35:49 PM
Quote from: Stu on July 29, 2022, 07:26:12 PMThis company is based in Bournemouth, why would NX or Rotala be 'favourites'? Bit out of the way for them!

NX already have a large presence on the South Coast with Lucketts Group and already have a depot at Bournemouth International Airport with Solent Coaches being based there.
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: Simon Dunn on July 30, 2022, 02:15:09 PM
Quote from: winston on July 29, 2022, 10:35:49 PMNX already have a large presence on the South Coast with Lucketts Group and already have a depot at Bournemouth International Airport with Solent Coaches being based there.
Rotala are not interested in this opportunity.  It is not about money, or desire.  The situation they find themselves is sad.  However,  in the best markets there are 15% less passengers (pre-COVID the best businesses delivered 10% margins), and escalating operating costs way above the stated inflation all transport businesses will face challenges.  A few months back I wrote an article to the DfT, Route One covered this recently and in this article I warned of what was coming.  

What I would say is that I understand this business does  operate National Express contracts and did or still does operate contracts for Megabus as well.
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: B61 ANDREW on July 30, 2022, 04:14:04 PM
Quote from: Simon Dunn on July 30, 2022, 02:15:09 PMWhat I would say is that I understand this business does  operate National Express contracts and did or still does operate contracts for Megabus as well.

  
BLOTW have some new "NX" coaches listed with Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: Stu on July 30, 2022, 05:05:44 PM
Quote from: winston on July 29, 2022, 10:35:49 PMNX already have a large presence on the South Coast with Lucketts Group and already have a depot at Bournemouth International Airport with Solent Coaches being based there.
Thanks for that info, I was unaware of that.

Still, echoing Simon Dunn's comments, I still think it would be strange for NX to acquire a struggling bus operator in an area that was a long way from their other bus operations, I'm just reminded of how they offloaded their Xplore Dundee operation to McGills.

I stand by the rest of my comment though, we are going to see more smaller independent operators being acquired by larger groups, that would seem inevitable.
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: winston on July 30, 2022, 08:19:06 PM
Quote from: B61 ANDREW on July 30, 2022, 04:14:04 PMBLOTW have some new "NX" coaches listed with Bournemouth.
Yellow Buses have only recently come back on the NX network since Covid, I believe they have recently taken over some of the Bournemouth start/end diagrams off NX owned Lucketts
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: winston on July 30, 2022, 08:23:32 PM
Quote from: Stu on July 30, 2022, 05:05:44 PMThanks for that info, I was unaware of that.

Still, echoing Simon Dunn's comments, I still think it would be strange for NX to acquire a struggling bus operator in an area that was a long way from their other bus operations, I'm just reminded of how they offloaded their Xplore Dundee operation to McGills.

I stand by the rest of my comment though, we are going to see more smaller independent operators being acquired by larger groups, that would seem inevitable.
The Xplore Dundee disposal could have been a prelude to the proposed Stagecoach merger, as Dundee would have caused competition concerns with Stagecoach also owning Strathtay
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: the trainbasher on August 03, 2022, 07:39:27 PM
Yellow Buses are to withdraw stage carriage services with only the coach business surviving. (https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/20598882.job-losses-yellow-buses-buyer-not-found-whole-company/)

Quote from: Bournemouth EchoALL services by Yellow Buses will cease operation on Thursday night, as a buyer is not found for the bus side of the business.

The administrators announced they expect an agreement with a buyer to be signed on Friday to save the coach side of the business, saving approximately 50 jobs.

A buyer was not found for the bus operations side of Bournemouth Transport Ltd, which trades as Yellow Buses, it has been confirmed by administrators this evening.

It is still unclear who the buyer will be.

Simon Rowe and Rachel Hotham of Milsted Langdon were appointed as administrators of Yellow Buses on Friday, July 29.

Simon Rowe said: "Whilst we are delighted that the proposed deal will save a significant number of jobs, it is hugely disappointing that we weren't able to secure the remainder of the business and the jobs attached to it.

"We have informed the staff of the position and I would like to thank all of them for their patience and understanding over the last few difficult days. 
"I would also like to thank the other stakeholders who have offered and given their support, in particular BCP and UNITE, both of whom took an active interest and tried to help us present a vision of a sustainable future for Yellow Buses.

"Unfortunately, in the end, the financial challenges which the company faced during its trading life meant that every buyer we spoke to felt that the prospects were not commercially viable.

"The closure of Yellow Buses leaves a gap in the public transport network for the residents and visitors to Bournemouth, Poole and Christchurch  and we are working with BCP and MoreBus to try and minimise the disruption this will inevitably cause."

A further statement will be announced once the deal, expected to be reached on Friday, has been completed.

The historic company went into administration on Friday, July 29, blaming covid, fuel price rises and the rise in inflation as factors for the company's struggles.

The directors of the business have "for some time" been looking for outside investment or buyers for Yellow Buses.

In a statement released on Friday, the administrators said: "Negotiations with a large national operator have entered the final stages and we hope to be able to conclude within a matter of days."
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: markcf83 on August 03, 2022, 08:20:09 PM
Quote from: 2206 on July 29, 2022, 07:36:45 PMGo Ahead is the local large operator down there I think.
It is. They have a small garage in Bournemouth and a considerably larger one in nearby Poole. 
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: JoNi on August 03, 2022, 08:52:03 PM
https://www.morebus.co.uk/we-will-be-running-extra-routes

Morebus have announced the extra services they are implementing.
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: markcf83 on August 03, 2022, 09:24:49 PM
Quote from: JoNi on August 03, 2022, 08:52:03 PMhttps://www.morebus.co.uk/we-will-be-running-extra-routes

Morebus have announced the extra services they are implementing.
Very interesting to hear. Pity about Yellow Buses folding. I'm actually going down there next month so I'll see what the new look network looks like. 
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: winston on August 04, 2022, 12:21:38 PM
NX is confirmed as being the buyer of Yellow Coaches & engineering operations, but not the bus division.
https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/20600179.national-express-buy-yellow-buses-coach-division/
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: Coventrybususer95 on August 05, 2022, 06:38:38 PM
It seems national express have not brought them it seems xelabus have brought the coach side 
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: Tony on August 05, 2022, 06:41:49 PM
QuoteIt seems national express have not brought them it seems xelabus have brought the coach side
It is split
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: winston on August 05, 2022, 10:35:40 PM
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on August 05, 2022, 06:38:38 PMIt seems national express have not brought them it seems xelabus have brought the coach side
NX have bought the Yellow Buses coach part which operated NX contracts + are believed to be taking on Yellow Buses depot.

https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/20604414.bournemouths-school-bus-services-run-xelabus/
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: Solo1 on August 05, 2022, 11:39:12 PM
This was on Facebook Yellow Coaches update

Further to this morning's post, the following has now been announced, meaning that Yellow Coaches has not been sold to National Express.

Eastleigh-based independent bus operator Xelabus have secured Yellow Coaches Limited, the
coaching subsidiary of Yellow buses in Bournemouth from its former Directors and share holders.

Xela Group which already comprises of businesses such as Xelabus, Xelacoach and more recently Isle
of Wight based Seaview Services. The business has built a strong brand in the area with its attractive
Green and Cream vehicles built up over the past 12 years when established in 2010.

Gareth Blair, Owner & Managing Director of the XelaGroup said "We are delighted to have secured
a popular name in the Bournemouth and surrounding areas. We hope to continue building on the
brand and secure further school, college and private hire contracts."

Simon Newport, former director and share holder of Yellow Coaches Limited said "Its fantastic that
the Xelagroup team have agreed to keep Yellow Coaches going in Bournemouth. I am confident that
the business will continue to provide school contracts and tenders across the conurbation to a high
level. I think the future looks bright for Yellow Coaches."

Yellow Coaches will continue to operate the megabus M3 service.
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: ellspurs on February 28, 2023, 02:52:24 PM
https://xelabus.info/updates/1033

Xelabus have pulled back from operating the old Yellowbus services in Bournemouth, with the expectation that the local council are going to get someone else to provide the services.
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: Rachvince53 on February 28, 2023, 05:14:14 PM
Quote from: ellspurs on February 28, 2023, 02:52:24 PMhttps://xelabus.info/updates/1033

Xelabus have pulled back from operating the old Yellowbus services in Bournemouth, with the expectation that the local council are going to get someone else to provide the services.
morebus took over running services 18, 33 and 36 from 15th February.  Morebus will also begin operating new school services 85-88 to St Peter's School from 20th March 2023.
Title: Re: Yellow Buses
Post by: the trainbasher on February 28, 2023, 05:16:10 PM
Transpora (Mr Hands) have also got involved in the school services iirc