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No they didn't, they put them on two stops, actually in the space that there used to be 3 stops. Leaving the 4 where it was would have extended the running time needed, probably needing an extra bus or reduced frquency.

This past week I've seen about 4 buses fighting for that stop because of an abandoned YW bus. Another joke, should never have put them all at 1 stop when they could have utilised both stops there.

Should've put the 17/60, X1/X2 back there and put the Stratford Road services at their current stop. Would've made it a lot easier. The current X1/X2 stop is also a joke as that pavement is nowhere near wide enough for the volume of passengers and usual pedestrians, especially when the X1 is mainly always late!

I thought the 16/16a stopped at Carrs Lane & then stopped just after the 74 stop

Correct, but still it's not much of an issue really, both stops are popular so are needed.

The 23/24 now stop on Carrs Lane & outside the Square Peg. Why the need to have two stops so close together?

All the current Carrs Lane services do that, as did the previous Limited Stop services and no one complained until now.

Yes they can, plenty of double deckers can go under there, but while Perry Barr has a mix of buses that can and can't it's safer just not to run any.

E400MMC's can can't they? Isn't the current signage a red circle.

In the view of NX, do the current passenger loads warrant a need to upgrade this route to double decks? From what I've seen as a passenger, it sure as hell does. This is all up to the fleet situation at NX ofc, but just wondering.

Can't with the current signage at Highgate Road.

Will the MCV Evolution buses be withdrawn?

I doubt it, they are younger and in fairly good condition. Got some time yet I'd say.

I don't get why the X21/X22 didn't do what the 61/63 are now doing, even though that's also another set of services pushed out of the City...  

Well I hope they're right.

Agreed, most of us are sick of the stops constantly being moved around with!

I hope not, the time it took the 33, 51, 907, 934-7, 997 and X51 to get around Carrs Lane, The Square Peg and The Law Courts to Lancaster Circus was ridiculous in peaks, so thanks, but no thanks

I hope they do go back to their original route thank you. It's now a longer walk for me to connect other services I catch to work. The drivers are saying they will be moving back in 6 months time.

Not everyone is going to agree with you on changes, so the selfishness isn't needed.

The worst one of these changes is the fact they've moved all the Stratford Road services to one stop, when the stop before was in use, whose idea was that to do that?

Also the 97 now takes a long detour that you moaned the Perry Barr services did. 

4909 is back from paint and on the 94. Can't see it mentioned that it's back.

@Jay71 how on earth do you expect a bus to depart on time when it is running late?

https://bustimes.org/vehicles/diam-20886

Isn't this the same person who moans about the 42 in the evenings running late? I'm assuming they are arriving late hence why they leave late but where's the logic there...

Bit of a late reply but I don't know why they was going that way because that would of caused more delays as they would of had to come to the m5 junction 1 island with the motorway being closed they should of gone up penny hill lane ect, oh well it's done and over with now. Other reason may be diamond don't want to risk the streetdecks with the low trees on water lane.

Diamond we sending there Deckers up Pennyhill. I rode 4714 myself and there was no issues, some 5's were going up there too. It was completely upto what the drivers decided...

If they are then that would cause them to be even more later as the M5 is/was closed at J1 due to a Police Led incident all the Traffic was being diverted down this way or down the Expressway through Moxley

I'm very well aware, it was up to drivers as some were using that route and the others through Pennyhill.

Unless I've read the Bustimes map wrong, looks like the 5's are going down Wigmore/Pennyhill Lane, near a Sandwell Council depot IIRC, but it has been a good 30 odd years since Ive been down that particular way.

(Bloke who I went to college with, decided to try & jump over a dip down there in a Vauxhall Chevette!)

Looks like the 5 is, the 16A's going through the valley.

5 and 16A are being diverted through Sandwell Valley down to the Albion Ground then along Birmingham Road towards West Brom.