New thread for Chaserider.
are they going to show the buses in Cannock town center this Saturday for people to see and offer any timetables
Quote from: evo mark on January 06, 2021, 10:54:01 PM
are they going to show the buses in Cannock town center this Saturday for people to see and offer any timetables
Hopefully not as we are currently in national lockdown. Why would they want to put their staff and the public at greater risk?
Also won't Arriva still be using them :D
Under normal circumstances, they could've shown off the buses owned by D & G painted in the Chaserider colours, that Arriva wouldn't legally have access to surely?
(In other words, the Streetlites etc!)
Quote from: Westy on January 07, 2021, 06:43:51 PM
Under normal circumstances, they could've shown off the buses owned by D & G painted in the Chaserider colours, that Arriva wouldn't legally have access to surely?
(In other words, the Streetlites etc!)
As nothing is really changing (timetables/routes) there is no rush to do this. It's a useful exercise to attract new passengers, so worth doing when there are possible new passengers around
https://twitter.com/ChaseriderBus/status/1347308089226223616?s=19
Dual Entrance / Exit.
Vehicles passing from Arriva to D&G tomorrow
OUT Type To By Date Reg Seats
2367 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ54OTN 41
2368 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ54OTP 41
2369 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ54OTT 41
2370 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ54OTR 41
2371 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ55BWA 38
2372 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ55BWB 38
2373 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ55BWC 38
2374 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ55BWD 38
2375 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ55BWE 38
2376 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ55BWF 38
2377 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ55BWG 38
2378 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ55BVT 38
2379 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ55BVU 38
2400 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YJ58PKE 33
2404 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YJ58PKO 33
2405 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YJ58PKU 33
2406 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YJ58PKV 33
2407 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YJ58PKX 33
2496 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YK57FHH 33
2497 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YK57FHJ 33
2499 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YJ58PKD 33
2510 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YJ58CCN 26
2513 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YJ09MLL 26
2514 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YJ09MLN 26
2515 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YJ09MLO 26
2516 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YJ09MLV 26
3719 DAF SB200 D&G 10/01/2021 FJ06ZTE 44
3720 DAF SB200 D&G 10/01/2021 FJ06ZTF 44
3721 DAF SB200 D&G 10/01/2021 FJ06ZTG 44
3722 DAF SB200 D&G 10/01/2021 FJ06ZTH 44
3723 DAF SB200 D&G 10/01/2021 FJ06ZTK 44
3724 DAF SB200 D&G 10/01/2021 FJ06ZTL 44
3725 DAF SB200 D&G 10/01/2021 FJ06ZTM 44
3726 DAF SB200 D&G 10/01/2021 FJ06ZTN 44
3906 Volvo B7RLE D&G 10/01/2021 FJ58HYP 45
3907 Volvo B7RLE D&G 10/01/2021 FJ58HYR 45
3908 Volvo B7RLE D&G 10/01/2021 FJ58HYS 45
3909 Volvo B7RLE D&G 10/01/2021 FJ58HYT 45
3910 Volvo B7RLE D&G 10/01/2021 FJ58HYU 45
3911 Volvo B7RLE D&G 10/01/2021 FJ58HYV 45
3912 Volvo B7RLE D&G 10/01/2021 FJ58HYW 45
3913 Volvo B7RLE D&G 10/01/2021 FJ58HYX 45
2746 DAF SB120 D&G 10/01/2021 LF02PMO 34
3702 DAF SB200 D&G 10/01/2021 FD52GGP 44
3703 DAF SB200 D&G 10/01/2021 FD52GGU 44
3704 DAF SB200 D&G 10/01/2021 FD52GGV 44
Wonder when the last Dart & Solo will ever be withdrawn by anybody, not just Arriva & D & G Bus?
The Nationals only went really because they were step entrance!
Quote from: Tony on January 09, 2021, 01:15:47 PM
Vehicles passing from Arriva to D&G tomorrow
OUT Type To By Date Reg Seats
2367 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ54OTN 41
2368 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ54OTP 41
2369 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ54OTT 41
2370 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ54OTR 41
2371 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ55BWA 38
2372 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ55BWB 38
2373 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ55BWC 38
2374 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ55BWD 38
2375 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ55BWE 38
2376 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ55BWF 38
2377 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ55BWG 38
2378 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ55BVT 38
2379 Dart SLF D&G 10/01/2021 FJ55BVU 38
2400 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YJ58PKE 33
2404 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YJ58PKO 33
2405 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YJ58PKU 33
2406 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YJ58PKV 33
2407 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YJ58PKX 33
2496 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YK57FHH 33
2497 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YK57FHJ 33
2499 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YJ58PKD 33
2510 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YJ58CCN 26
2513 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YJ09MLL 26
2514 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YJ09MLN 26
2515 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YJ09MLO 26
2516 Solo D&G 10/01/2021 YJ09MLV 26
3719 DAF SB200 D&G 10/01/2021 FJ06ZTE 44
3720 DAF SB200 D&G 10/01/2021 FJ06ZTF 44
3721 DAF SB200 D&G 10/01/2021 FJ06ZTG 44
3722 DAF SB200 D&G 10/01/2021 FJ06ZTH 44
3723 DAF SB200 D&G 10/01/2021 FJ06ZTK 44
3724 DAF SB200 D&G 10/01/2021 FJ06ZTL 44
3725 DAF SB200 D&G 10/01/2021 FJ06ZTM 44
3726 DAF SB200 D&G 10/01/2021 FJ06ZTN 44
3906 Volvo B7RLE D&G 10/01/2021 FJ58HYP 45
3907 Volvo B7RLE D&G 10/01/2021 FJ58HYR 45
3908 Volvo B7RLE D&G 10/01/2021 FJ58HYS 45
3909 Volvo B7RLE D&G 10/01/2021 FJ58HYT 45
3910 Volvo B7RLE D&G 10/01/2021 FJ58HYU 45
3911 Volvo B7RLE D&G 10/01/2021 FJ58HYV 45
3912 Volvo B7RLE D&G 10/01/2021 FJ58HYW 45
3913 Volvo B7RLE D&G 10/01/2021 FJ58HYX 45
2746 DAF SB120 D&G 10/01/2021 LF02PMO 34
3702 DAF SB200 D&G 10/01/2021 FD52GGP 44
3703 DAF SB200 D&G 10/01/2021 FD52GGU 44
3704 DAF SB200 D&G 10/01/2021 FD52GGV 44
where are the remaining buses going as ive heard telford
Quote from: Westy on January 09, 2021, 02:35:08 PM
Wonder when the last Dart & Solo will ever be withdrawn by anybody, not just Arriva & D & G Bus?
The Nationals only went really because they were step entrance!
Depends on how you define them, Solos are still made with the SR model, and I'm pretty sure even the newest E200MMCs are technically on a Dart chassis.
Quote from: DJ on January 10, 2021, 03:43:46 AM
Depends on how you define them, Solos are still made with the SR model, and I'm pretty sure even the newest E200MMCs are technically on a Dart chassis.
No, the MMC isn't a Dart chassis. It is a completely new design more based on the E400, but there were still standard E200s being registered up to 2016 which are on 'Dart' chassis
Ah. Didn't know that.
looks like some new buses have arrived at cannock
It will be interesting to see how far the interiors of the ex Arriva vehicles will be debranded.
Obviously they can't do anything about the decor & seating etc, but you'd think the various Arriva branded posters/traffic notices would be removed.
Even Thandi vehicles were still showing Stagecoach posters & north east related adverts last time I caught one last year.
Quote from: Westy on January 10, 2021, 10:33:45 AM
It will be interesting to see how far the interiors of the ex Arriva vehicles will be debranded.
Obviously they can't do anything about the decor & seating etc, but you'd think the various Arriva branded posters/traffic notices would be removed.
Even Thandi vehicles were still showing Stagecoach posters & north east related adverts last time I caught one last year.
just been by and they are taking a lot from them
they have now got the new ones ready
https://twitter.com/evomark72/status/1348250704599805952?s=20
Updated fleetlist with info from a couple more sources now
http://wmbusphotos.com/D+G/fleetlist.html
According to a list on the Centrebus group MX08DGE, MX08JHM, YX11CTV, FN04HSL, FN04HTC are on loan, along with trainer YJ54CEN, new to Claribells.
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Also noticed VA on WMTA licence is now 55 at Cannock and 55 at Adderley Green.
Best of luck to Chaserider tomorrow. According to their social media pages, timetables will be on buses - something Arriva should have done.
Quote from: Tony on January 10, 2021, 01:14:54 PM
Updated fleetlist with info from a couple more sources now
http://wmbusphotos.com/D+G/fleetlist.html
Brilliant Tony thank you.
Quote from: l.murphy123 on January 10, 2021, 11:19:09 PM
Best of luck to Chaserider tomorrow. According to their social media pages, timetables will be on buses - something Arriva should have done.
Yep, on the first 2 south, both Cannock & Stafford timetables were on!
As for everything else, bus 187 with Chaserider sticker on the front, but Arriva still on the side & branding inside.
Oh, and he went straight down Green Lane after picking me up, instead of going into Leamore & Bloxwich Road!
Been told by a driver this morning that some of the buses they had from arriva are not fit for the road and will have to be scrapped and there was at least half with some faults on them how bad is that
Quote from: evo mark on January 11, 2021, 01:42:22 PM
Been told by a driver this morning that some of the buses they had from arriva are not fit for the road and will have to be scrapped and there was at least half with some faults on them how bad is that
If you've read the Arriva Cannock thread, then you wouldn't be surprised one bit.
I guess given the current circumstances D&G weren't able to properly check over the vehicles before everything went through.
I wouldn't believe everything you hear off drivers or others on this forum, especially people with such hatrid for Arriva. Considering the majority of ex Arriva buses are out today according to Bus Times, they can't be in too bad a state
Surely the 'driver' previously worked for Arriva anyway, so they knew what they were going to get?
Presumably he would have seen on a day to day basis what was being transferred in & out?
Before the Arriva haters start, every garage will have some dead buses, every garage will have some non-safety critical defects carried over from the last inspection to fix when parts/labour are available, with vehicles up to 18 years old some will be due to be scrapped soon. As John has pointed out, Most are on the road, so if they were as bad as the original post makes out D&G would be at risk of meeting the TC for running them
Quote from: evo mark on January 11, 2021, 01:42:22 PM
Been told by a driver this morning that some of the buses they had from arriva are not fit for the road and will have to be scrapped and there was at least half with some faults on them how bad is that
In all honesty, a driver's view of not being fit for service can sometimes be much different to a qualified engineer's. I've heard drivers turn down buses for some of the silliest reasons, only for a qualified engineer to check over the bus and sign it off as fit for service.
Once had a driver refuse to take a bus because of a light on the dashboard, turned out to be the ignition light lol.
True story
Quote from: Steveminor on January 11, 2021, 05:58:40 PM
Once had a driver refuse to take a bus because of a light on the dashboard, turned out to be the ignition light lol.
True story
Yes. Have heard stories of drivers refusing buses because they are 'too slow'. Now, is that a driver's definition of too slow, or anyone else's?🤣
Quote from: mikestone on January 10, 2021, 09:18:51 PM
According to a list on the Centrebus group MX08DGE, MX08JHM, YX11CTV, FN04HSL, FN04HTC are on loan, along with trainer YJ54CEN, new to Claribells.
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Also noticed VA on WMTA licence is now 55 at Cannock and 55 at Adderley Green.
noted the ex Claribells Commander parked in the yard still painted blue and white driving home from work earlier.
Quote from: Pat on January 11, 2021, 06:27:49 PM
Yes. Have heard stories of drivers refusing buses because they are 'too slow'. Now, is that a driver's definition of too slow, or anyone else's?🤣
If it's too slow moving off then surely that would be unsafe to drive?
Quote from: PointerDart on January 11, 2021, 08:01:32 PM
If it's too slow moving off then surely that would be unsafe to drive?
In the case I was told, the bus was allocated to an inter-urban route that travels along a 60mph road. I think it was mainly down to the driver's preference more than anything.
Quote from: Pat on January 11, 2021, 08:09:02 PM
In the case I was told, the bus was allocated to an inter-urban route that travels along a 60mph road. I think it was mainly down to the driver's preference more than anything.
Once had a driver on the 5 in Telford swap a Pulsar for a Streetlite because it could only top 29mph it was that limp!
Quote from: PointerDart on January 11, 2021, 08:11:00 PM
Once had a driver on the 5 in Telford swap a Pulsar for a Streetlite because it could only top 29mph it was that limp!
If a bus was only capable of 29mph it was probably genuinely in Limp mode. Buses go into limp mode for a reason, and that is because carrying on driving them normally would cause damage because something is seriously wrong, so that seems like a perfectly valid change
I have been stopped by the police whilst driving in service because my bus was dangerously slow. It is a genuine thing folks.
The said bus was topping out between 15-20mph on a National Speed Limit road and I was told to continue in service by the company. I always told the company that this specific bus was dangerously slow. They only took notice after the police stopped me.
Quote from: Tony on January 11, 2021, 08:14:52 PM
If a bus was only capable of 29mph it was probably genuinely in Limp mode. Buses go into limp mode for a reason, and that is because carrying on driving them normally would cause damage because something is seriously wrong, so that seems like a perfectly valid change
Oh absolutely I know I was trying to show that it is perfectly reasonable to swap a bus if it's too slow
Are the arriva ones at Cannock on lease to d&g like the ones at Bolton with diamond or does d&\,g own the arriva the arriva ones at Cannock
Quote from: Solo1 on January 11, 2021, 11:45:38 PM
Are the arriva ones at Cannock on lease to d&g like the ones at Bolton with diamond or does d&\,g own the arriva the arriva ones at Cannock
sold to D&G with the Cannock Operations with arriva retaining about 15 vechicles which most are in Telford are withdrawn and some in service now at Telford
So like when diamond brought arriva wednesfield & first redditch/kidderminster so what was the bolton deal as they are leasing some of the first buses thats why i asked
Quote from: Solo1 on January 12, 2021, 07:56:23 AM
So like when diamond brought arriva wednesfield & first redditch/kidderminster so what was the bolton deal as they are leasing some of the first buses thats why i asked
I think that was due to Diamond being short of buses
Quote from: Rich-82 on January 12, 2021, 09:57:11 AM
I think that was due to Diamond being short of buses
ok thanks
Are any of Cannock's fleet ex Midland Wednesfield from a few years back?
Would be ironic if vehicles repainted from red to blue were repainted back to red, if Chaserider were all over red like D & G themselves!
Quote from: Westy on January 12, 2021, 11:03:16 AM
Are any of Cannock's fleet ex Midland Wednesfield from a few years back?
No
Quote from: Westy on January 12, 2021, 11:03:16 AM
Are any of Cannock's fleet ex Midland Wednesfield from a few years back?
Would be ironic if vehicles repainted from red to blue were repainted back to red, if Chaserider were all over red like D & G themselves!
I think most of Wednesfields will have been torched by now lol
Quote from: Bob on January 12, 2021, 12:24:33 PM
I think most of Wednesfields will have been torched by now lol
think they still have the 2 that's in diamond livery others gone
Quote from: Bob on January 12, 2021, 12:24:33 PM
I think most of Wednesfields will have been torched by now lol
Telford have 2140-50, which are ex Wednesfield.
Quote from: Solo1 on January 12, 2021, 12:30:47 PM
think they still have the 2 that's in diamond livery others gone
What are you on about?
Quote from: Tony on January 12, 2021, 01:13:37 PM
What are you on about?
i thought they still hsf 2 ex arriva darts at tividale
Quote from: Solo1 on January 12, 2021, 01:31:08 PM
i thought they still hsf 2 ex arriva darts at tividale
And the connection between that and the question "Have any ex Midland darts passed to Chaserider is?
Quote from: Tony on January 12, 2021, 01:37:23 PM
And the connection between that and the question "Have any ex Midland darts passed to Chaserider is?
none but was saying might b 2 x arriva still at tividale
Tony I heard that Delta Way had been sold a while ago and leased back, is this true do you know?
Just wondering if anyone knows how long is left on the lease.
Quote from: 888DUK on January 12, 2021, 04:37:30 PM
Tony I heard that Delta Way had been sold a while ago and leased back, is this true do you know?
Just wondering if anyone knows how long is left on the lease.
I have heard the same as you, but cannot confirm if it is true
Quote from: 888DUK on January 12, 2021, 04:37:30 PM
Tony I heard that Delta Way had been sold a while ago and leased back, is this true do you know?
Just wondering if anyone knows how long is left on the lease.
AvailableCar own it, don't they?
Quote from: Pat on January 12, 2021, 05:17:50 PM
AvailableCar own it, don't they?
Thats what I heard but nobody seems able to confirm the details.
Quote from: Pat on January 12, 2021, 12:41:31 PM
Telford have 2140-50, which are ex Wednesfield.
Never Red though, Always Arriva.
2546 YN53 SVT is an obvious one still alive and kicking around at Arriva Telford that previously operated with Choice and D&G.
Quote from: 888DUK on January 12, 2021, 06:26:14 PM
Thats what I heard but nobody seems able to confirm the details.
Yes they own it and they have only 2 years left on the lease nut i have heard that chaserider are already looking into a new place to set up
Where's Bob and his comments about "threadbare seats" seeing as Chaserider are running the same vehicles he was forever complaining about?
Quote from: SG on January 12, 2021, 10:45:31 PM
Where's Bob and his comments about "threadbare seats" seeing as Chaserider are running the same vehicles he was forever complaining about?
Theyve put in 18 vastly better buses and condemned around 12 of the arriva ones already so that should tell you how pior Arriva were!
Quote from: Bob on January 12, 2021, 11:05:49 PM
Theyve put in 18 vastly better buses and condemned around 12 of the arriva ones already so that should tell you how pior Arriva were!
You got any proof how 'poor' these buses are?
So D&G brought buses off Arriva to withdraw straight away losing them money from the off. If they were that bad they wouldn't have been included in the deal and more buses would have been sourced beforehand
D&G would not just buy assets of a business without inspecting them beforehand, or they wouldn't have been sold and a new price negotiated
My experience of D & G would suggest that they are to astute to buy vehicles to scrap them. Wonder where Bob gets his information.
Quote from: Pat on January 11, 2021, 05:47:09 PM
In all honesty, a driver's view of not being fit for service can sometimes be much different to a qualified engineer's. I've heard drivers turn down buses for some of the silliest reasons, only for a qualified engineer to check over the bus and sign it off as fit for service.
Disagree here with you Pat. Drivers know the buses better than the engineers as they're the ones driving them day in day out. As a former driver myself, you know when a bus feels different or doesn't feel right compared another. What silly reasons have you heard for a driver stranding a bus?
Quote from: Dom on January 13, 2021, 10:16:16 AM
Disagree here with you Pat. Drivers know the buses better than the engineers as they're the ones driving them day in day out. As a former driver myself, you know when a bus feels different or doesn't feel right compared another. What silly reasons have you heard for a driver stranding a bus?
As mentioned previously, the driver refusing to take the bus, as it felt too slow. Wasn't in limp mode and was just down to driver preference.
Contrary to that, i've seen drivers take out buses that shouldn't have been on the road in the first place, or that should have been taken out of service at the first convenient moment.
Quote from: John on January 13, 2021, 09:04:16 AM
You got any proof how 'poor' these buses are?
So D&G brought buses off Arriva to withdraw straight away losing them money from the off. If they were that bad they wouldn't have been included in the deal and more buses would have been sourced beforehand
D&G would not just buy assets of a business without inspecting them beforehand, or they wouldn't have been sold and a new price negotiated
Not necessarily. You would expect the purchase agreement to include a covenant relating to vehicle condition, which would protect the buyers position should the assets purchased not be fit for use. It would have been very difficult to inspect the assets prior to the deal being finalised due to the confidentially surrounding such a transaction
The senior management will know more about the Cannock operation than the Arriva management will ever know I can assure you
From my very reliable source the buses that arriva left to d&g were in a bad way, some of them bordering on dangerous. D&g in my personal opinion have taken the right approach by immediately removing those buses from service until they are fit & safe for public service.
Disclaimer. Views that I post on here are my own personal views & thoughts & do not represent views or thoughts of organisations Ifrom a professional capacity
Quote from: John on January 13, 2021, 09:04:16 AM
You got any proof how 'poor' these buses are?
So D&G brought buses off Arriva to withdraw straight away losing them money from the off. If they were that bad they wouldn't have been included in the deal and more buses would have been sourced beforehand
D&G would not just buy assets of a business without inspecting them beforehand, or they wouldn't have been sold and a new price negotiated
Why were they immediately taken off the road then?
Quote from: Steveminor on January 13, 2021, 11:59:16 AM
From my very reliable source the buses that arriva left to d&g were in a bad way, some of them bordering on dangerous. D&g in my personal opinion have taken the right approach by immediately removing those buses from service until they are fit & safe for public service.
Perhaps you might like to back up any comments like that?
AS for the depot, I have received confirmation that:-
The depot site was sold and there was a 5 year lease on it but with break clauses.
D&G have a sub lease for up to 3 years.
Quote from: Tony on January 13, 2021, 05:43:52 PM
Perhaps you might like to back up any comments like that?
AS for the depot, I have received confirmation that:-
The depot site was sold and there was a 5 year lease on it but with break clauses.
D&G have a sub lease for up to 3 years.
Thanks for the clarity Tony.
Regarding other comments its all going slightly off track, the Arriva haters I would suggest post on the Arriva thread and let's give D & G a chance.
@Tony I wont divulge my source but as I posted it is very very reliable or I wouldn't have posted.
Maybe others dont have the guts to defend d& g but I have they have a good history on fleet upgrades & providing a reliable service look at the all JP associated businesses & they're all flourishing even in these troubled times
Quote from: Steveminor on January 13, 2021, 06:23:43 PM
@Tony I wont divulge my source but as I posted it is very very reliable or I wouldn't have posted.
Maybe others dont have the guts to defend d& g but I have they have a good history on fleet upgrades & providing a reliable service look at the all JP associated businesses & they're all flourishing even in these troubled times
Without proof, this forum is not the place to make what could be libelous remarks though.
I do remember similar accusations against when of your former employees was taken over by a responsible group.
D&G don't need defending, they are a reputable company and no-one has made any allegations to say otherwise
Nice variation on the 825 early this morning with Streetlite 63 , Scania 199 and E200 40 noted between Rugeley and Stafford on my drive to work.
Quote from: Bob on January 13, 2021, 01:26:22 PM
Why were they immediately taken off the road then?
And who says they are not pending reviewing the acquired assets or making plans for them? Far too much speculation from Arriva haters with second hand comments then made out to be from authoritative sources, lots of 2 + 2 = 7 style guess work. Perhaps more sensible thought would be that Chaserider probably want more of their fleet livery stock on the road to stamp the change of brand as much as possible, who knows.
Quote from: Depotosw on January 13, 2021, 08:56:47 PM
And who says they are not pending reviewing the acquired assets or making plans for them? Far too much speculation from Arriva haters with second hand comments then made out to be from authoritative sources, lots of 2 + 2 = 7 style guess work. Perhaps more sensible thought would be that Chaserider probably want more of their fleet livery stock on the road to stamp the change of brand as much as possible, who knows.
But on Monday taking these buses off the road ( through no fault of D and G) left them short of vehicles and journeys missed out i wouldnt of thought that was what theyd have wanted. And as these buses were out in service on Saturday but took off the road on Sun or Mon doesnt that look pretty bad on Arriva? I mean did they all develop faults overnight then? Hopefully theyll get some more buses in, the stuff thats been drafted in looks very smart and mustve reduced average fleet age a bit
Things look promising i hope they can build the network and brand up
Quote from: Bob on January 13, 2021, 09:37:58 PM
But on Monday taking these buses off the road ( through no fault of D and G) left them short of vehicles and journeys missed out i wouldnt of thought that was what theyd have wanted. And as these buses were out in service on Saturday but took off the road on Sun or Mon doesnt that look pretty bad on Arriva? I mean did they all develop faults overnight then? Hopefully theyll get some more buses in, the stuff thats been drafted in looks very smart and mustve reduced average fleet age a bit
Missed journeys does not necessary mean they were short of vehicles does it? In the current climate it could have been due to a shortage of drivers for varying reasons, many operators are losing drivers at times due to covid for instance, people having to isolate, impact on losing service mileage? Cannock could have perhaps loaned in drivers from Tamworth, Telford etc before handover to maintain service, something Arriva does between depots regularly, typically by those who would have helped in the past and know the routes under Arriva, I doubt D&G would be able to do so from day one and that would be fair enough. How do you know it wasn't other teething issues first day? Whatever the reason, you cannot put all the blame on vehicles acquired from Arriva, unless there has been some kind of official management statement disclosed in the public domain?
I'm not disagreeing with you that some stock was on the older scale, but then perhaps you should draw a comparison to such stock Arriva acquired from Adderley Green with D&G and the Midland (Wednesfield) operations some years ago.
The Chaserider operation has all the makings of an excellent network for Stafford and Cannock and look forward to the seeing how this develops, in a positive tone of course.
Out of curiosity, were there any 'new' drivers brought into Cannock for Monday, or were all the drivers ex Arriva?
Don't know whether this was just a cock up, but the first 2 journey on Monday south to Walsall actually went straight down Green Lane, instead of going via Leamore & Bloxwich Road.
I'm pretty sure I recognised the driver as ex Arriva, so he shouldn't have made that mistake(but helped me, as he went non stop & I managed to get an earlier 529 as a result!).
Bearing in mind, the Arriva Facebook page used to be full of comments about drivers actions, driving past stops of waiting passengers etc, missing journeys etc, I do hope the new regime will crack down on drivers attitudes, which I suppose, people might say, that detoirated under Arriva?
Oh & no taping up of certain seats due to Covid either.
It seems to be only NX that are strict on this!
today there was only one vehicle [ex arriva dart] on the rugeley / 63 network rather then the usual 4 workings so i guess there must be some sort of issues, Was 2 nice 65 plate e200 mmc on 60/825/826 circuit on Monday though which seemed a vast improvement to what has been on offer of late! Not seen them 2 mmcs since mind haha. Im sure Chaserider will settle in and sort it all out soon, lets face it they cannot be worse than what we have been used to for the last few years! Not a great time at the moment to take over a new area in the middle of a pandemic so i wish them well in there new venture. I'm sure the network will improve given a little time to get things in place & road legal.
There seems to be a lot of the ex arriva fleet solos and darts missing from action this week!!
Any reason why they've only slapped the Chaserider logo on the front of the ex Arriva's, & not the sides?
Lovely chaserider bus on the number 2, really clean and smooth. I agree with the comments hope its a big success. Shame about covid else they could have done a launch event in the towns or something similar.
Quote from: l.murphy123 on January 14, 2021, 04:00:12 PM
Lovely chaserider bus on the number 2, really clean and smooth. I agree with the comments hope its a big success. Shame about covid else they could have done a launch event in the towns or something similar.
Maybe after covid theyll recast the network and tailor it and do one then
Quote from: l.murphy123 on January 14, 2021, 04:00:12 PM
Lovely chaserider bus on the number 2, really clean and smooth. I agree with the comments hope its a big success. Shame about covid else they could have done a launch event in the towns or something similar.
In all honesty I'm pleased with how the 70 has been this week! I can see good things coming to Cannock if the way midland classic & the arriva Burton takeover is anything to go by.
Quote from: BusMan Greg on January 14, 2021, 05:12:06 PM
In all honesty I'm pleased with how the 70 has been this week! I can see good things coming to Cannock if the way midland classic & the arriva Burton takeover is anything to go by.
In all honesty, I find it quite strange how things, at least quality wise, differ from depot to depot even though they are operated by the same company. Telford and Shrewsbury depots are run well, with reliable services and a clean, quality fleet.
Quote from: Pat on January 14, 2021, 06:02:45 PM
In all honesty, I find it quite strange how things, at least quality wise, differ from depot to depot even though they are operated by the same company. Telford and Shrewsbury depots are run well, with reliable services and a clean, quality fleet.
It's been like that for years! Arriva always had their favourite garages: Tamworth; Telford; Shrewsbury, just to name a few. And then you had the dumping grounds for all their shit: Stafford; Burton; Adderely green; Wednesfield being the main one.
The garages noted I would say were not favourite garages, they were the most profitable.
Before the purchased businesses Burton had the lowest profit & therefore the oldest handed down fleet.
The Stafford operation were once good just dwindled away under Arriva ownership in latter years of no investment.
This is common in the industry with some big groups launching low cost operations in the past
Quote from: Westy on January 14, 2021, 07:14:44 AM
Any reason why they've only slapped the Chaserider logo on the front of the ex Arriva's, & not the sides?
They are slowly being sorted
This may have already been mentioned but the chaserider livery is very similar to NXWM crimson. Looking at the recent photo of NXWM Volvo 1756 going past a chaserider e200, the liveries look near identical at the front. You can definitely see the midland red influence on both!
Quote from: j789 on January 15, 2021, 09:04:17 PM
This may have already been mentioned but the chaserider livery is very similar to NXWM crimson. Looking at the recent photo of NXWM Volvo 1756 going past a chaserider e200, the liveries look near identical at the front. You can definitely see the midland red influence on both!
I would've put some yellow relief in there personally.
Didn't a previous Midland Red North livery mix red & yellow?
Quote from: Westy on January 15, 2021, 09:22:17 PM
I would've put some yellow relief in there personally.
Didn't a previous Midland Red North livery mix red & yellow?
Wasn't that Midland Fox?
Mods - Bearing in mind we've had representitives from the various bus groups over the years(Simon Mathison representing both Nx & Arriva, Simon Dunn representing Rotala / Diamond & whoever Steve Minor represents!), is it worth asking Chaserider on social media if they want to get involved here or not?
Would a mod want to ask officially themselves, or are they ok with one of us asking?
https://twitter.com/ChaseriderBus/status/1350216610376769536?s=19
The nice glossy leaflet already out of date :(
Quote from: Westy on January 16, 2021, 10:14:52 AM
The nice glossy leaflet already out of date :(
info correct at time of printing with lockdown which no.one could see when they done the timetables
Quote from: V89MOA on January 16, 2021, 11:25:14 AM
Never!
the maps that come out are also out of date after printing
Quote from: Solo1 on January 16, 2021, 01:41:51 PM
the maps that come out are also out of date after printing
As is every other printed document at some point
Quote from: Tony on January 16, 2021, 02:13:40 PM
As is every other printed document at some point
That quick though.
Maybe they should've held back on the timetable leaflet & just put out a general guide without the timetables, pointing to the website.
I know some may say not ideal, but might have been cheaper in the long run.
Staffordshire website also says the 24 is suspended.
These are surely just short term measures due to Covid.
LNWR & WMR have also cut back on their train timetables due to lower usage.
Quote from: Westy on January 16, 2021, 03:44:54 PM
That quick though.
Maybe they should've held back on the timetable leaflet & just put out a general guide without the timetables, pointing to the website.
I know some may say not ideal, but might have been cheaper in the long run.
This is a bit ironic, coming from someone always bleating about printed timetable leaflets. ;)
Quote from: Stu on January 16, 2021, 06:36:31 PM
This is a bit ironic, coming from someone always bleating about printed timetable leaflets. ;)
And I thought there was a rule about insulting other posters!
Quote from: Westy on January 16, 2021, 07:00:09 PM
And I thought there was a rule about insulting other posters!
hes not insulting you he's posting the truth 😂
Quote from: Westy on January 15, 2021, 09:22:17 PM
I would've put some yellow relief in there personally.
Didn't a previous Midland Red North livery mix red & yellow?
Yeah, along with the original Chaserider, which was red and white with a touch of yellow.
Quote from: DJ on January 17, 2021, 10:35:30 AM
Yeah, along with the original Chaserider, which was red and white with a touch of yellow.
Not the original.
That was NBC red with a white band above the windows, and a white band below the windows with the name Chaserider on the higher white band.
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2021, 10:41:46 AM
Not the original.
That was NBC red with a white band above the windows, and a white band below the windows with the name Chaserider on the higher white band.
Ah right, that one completely slipped my mind. It was one of the MAPs, wasn't it?
Quote from: 888DUK on January 16, 2021, 09:57:46 AM
https://twitter.com/ChaseriderBus/status/1350216610376769536?s=19
And now cuts to the 2 as well.
So much for a brand new dawn!
We are in lockdown 3 you know
Quote from: Fred on January 19, 2021, 04:52:23 PM
And now cuts to the 2 as well.
So much for a brand new dawn!
You'll probably find that these are lockdown restrictions, you may have jumped too soon on this one !
Yes they are lockdown timetables. Shame the can't curtail it to cover more of our village for better connections to the X51. I'm told TfWM are looking to provide a service for Turnberry estate in the interim.
If you look at the timetable it's a clear 2 bus pvr that's probably why they chose cheslyn hay
Given the support to the industry by CBSSG, it's quite surprising that Chaserider are so keen to make such drastic cuts. Ultimately, I guess if I was a key or essential worker that used the number 2 service, I would probably move to the X51 and never look back! So much for grand improvements over the previous operator of buses in Cannock...
Quote from: Straightlines on January 20, 2021, 07:57:55 AM
Given the support to the industry by CBSSG, it's quite surprising that Chaserider are so keen to make such drastic cuts. Ultimately, I guess if I was a key or essential worker that used the number 2 service, I would probably move to the X51 and never look back! So much for grand improvements over the previous operator of buses in Cannock...
Perhaps they are taking the opportunity to cut some of the dead wood !
Quote from: metrocity on January 20, 2021, 08:08:32 AM
Perhaps they are taking the opportunity to cut some of the dead wood !
Probably more to do with staff availabilty
Prior to the sale, in October, there was a driver agency recruiting for Arriva Cannock. £15/hour on a 8 week contract. I wish I took the job now lol.
The 71 runs hourly for links between Cheslyn Hay and Great Wyrley, it crosses over with the X51 on Hilton Lane where our RTPI displays are.
Quote from: l.murphy123 on January 20, 2021, 08:30:50 PM
The 71 runs hourly for links between Cheslyn Hay and Great Wyrley, it crosses over with the X51 on Hilton Lane where our RTPI displays are.
Another useful note is that select accept Stafford & Cannock local tickets issued by D&G (but only accepted within the local zone). So chaserider local tickets can still be used in Great Wyrley!
Quote from: Straightlines on January 20, 2021, 07:57:55 AM
Given the support to the industry by CBSSG, it's quite surprising that Chaserider are so keen to make such drastic cuts. Ultimately, I guess if I was a key or essential worker that used the number 2 service, I would probably move to the X51 and never look back! So much for grand improvements over the previous operator of buses in Cannock...
Indeed, why would anyone go back to the 2 after being so unceremoniously dumped by the new company. Why step away completely from a route? I strongley suspect that the 2 won't go back after lockdown.
Meanwhile, lockdown 3 seems to have had no impact on the Pye Green services that still run every 15 mins. In both directions. Lots of driver hours to be saved there by dropping to every 20 mins if staffing is the real reason for the cut to the 2.
There’s no indication it’s a permanent change, but I wouldn't be surprised.
Quote from: andy41 on January 21, 2021, 05:33:48 PM
There's no indication it's a permanent change, but I wouldn't be surprised.
There was no indication of the 1's suspension being permenant, but look what happened!
Quote from: BusMan Greg on January 21, 2021, 07:56:03 PM
There was no indication of the 1's suspension being permenant, but look what happened!
I suspect that the 1's perninant withdrawal was to do with the fact there were three services going pritty much the same route to Cannock and most people were either timing it for the 2 or X51. So the 1 was losing money and passengers alike!!! 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 22, 2021, 01:30:59 PM
I suspect that the 1's perninant withdrawal was to do with the fact there were three services going pritty much the same route to Cannock and most people were either timing it for the 2 or X51. So the 1 was losing money and passengers alike!!! 😁
The 2 was nothing like the 1, nobody who could catch the 1 time it for the 2
Quote from: Tony on January 22, 2021, 01:44:20 PM
The 2 was nothing like the 1, nobody who could catch the 1 time it for the 2
I'm only sermising!! 😁 I don't know the real reason.... I am only stating that there are 3 services that do the same sort of route...Plus I have been to Walsall and there have been times where the 1 and 2 have been in at the same time so I beg to differ with your coment
@Tony.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 22, 2021, 01:48:59 PM
I'm only sermising!! 😁 I don't know the real reason.... I am only stating that there are 3 services that do the same sort of route...Plus I have been to Walsall and there have been times where the 1 and 2 have been in at the same time so I beg to differ with your coment @Tony.
You really do have to argue everything don't you? You must love conflict.
The 1 and the 2 are not similar services, once they were past the NX garage I think they shared 3 bus stops before they got into Cannock, it is like saying the 4 and the 6 are the same services because the follow the same route for a short time out of Birmingham, and the bother terminate at the same place.
Quote from: Tony on January 22, 2021, 04:13:39 PM
You really do have to argue everything don't you? You must love conflict.
The 1 and the 2 are not similar services, once they were past the NX garage I think they shared 3 bus stops before they got into Cannock, it is like saying the 4 and the 6 are the same services because the follow the same route for a short time out of Birmingham, and the bother terminate at the same place.
No
@Tony I don't like confilct and arguing... I was just simply stating a fact.. and clearly you don't like me stating a fact of what I think or find out do you? Yes I get where you're coming from about simlar routes however thy do use prity much the same route other that the Cheslyn Hay bit of the 2 which also is served by the X51 (or was until recently if your sayning that there're differnt routes).
What is it freedom of speach...That's what I like about takling siviley to people on line or anywhere for that matter... Now hat statemnt isn't supposed to come across hurtfull, however (you think what you like). some of the posts that you reply to from me and others do seem a little harsh and hurtful.
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 22, 2021, 04:50:28 PM
No @Tony I don't like confilct and arguing... I was just simply stating a fact.. and clearly you don't like me stating a fact of what I think or find out do you? Yes I get where you're coming from about simlar routes however thy do use prity much the same route other that the Cheslyn Hay bit of the 2 which also is served by the X51 (or was until recently if your sayning that there're differnt routes).
What is it freedom of speach...That's what I like about takling siviley to people on line or anywhere for that matter... Now hat statemnt isn't supposed to come across hurtfull, however (you think what you like). some of the posts that you reply to from me and others do seem a little harsh and hurtful.
It is clear you don't know the area or the routes. When the 1 last ran the 2 went out via Blakenall to Bloxwich. Even now it is different as it doesn't serve Leamore, then went around Turnbury Estate, and the first stop they both stopped at was the nursing home, then one more stop (which no-one ever uses as it only serves about 4 houses) before going through Landywood and Cheslyn Hay to Cannock.
Meanwhile the 1 went straight up Bloxwich Road through Leamore, straight up little Bloxwich and then through Great Wyrley
If you think they are similar services which passengers waiting for a number 1 would catch a number 2 or vice versa?
Incidently no-one outbound for any stops before Bloxwich other than Somerfield Road uses Arriva services because they don't start in the Bus Station.
The 1 and 2 were nothing alike the only stops shared were along the Stafford Road in Newtown and then the stops along Bloxwich Lane (except when they altered the 2). They clearly tried every effort to compete with the X51 as they dropped the ticket prices, went back to a 20 min frequency and ran "coincidentally" a minute before from Cannock. The route maps don't reflect how different the routes are. Agree with Tony here (will check my temperature!).
Quote from: l.murphy123 on January 23, 2021, 10:56:45 AM
The 1 and 2 were nothing alike the only stops shared were along the Stafford Road in Newtown and then the stops along Bloxwich Lane (except when they altered the 2). They clearly tried every effort to compete with the X51 as they dropped the ticket prices, went back to a 20 min frequency and ran "coincidentally" a minute before from Cannock. The route maps don't reflect how different the routes are. Agree with Tony here (will check my temperature!).
Ok @I.murphy123.
I'm not going to argue now... That you've cleard it up...in the fact of the stops they serve. They did serve the same route as such until they changed the 2 (although the 2 did go through Leamore and Turnberry and then as part of the X51 through Cheslyn Hay) and then withdrew the 1...now theres only the 2 and X51 left.. 😁
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 23, 2021, 11:04:55 AM
Ok @I.murphy123.
I'm They did serve the same route as such until they changed the 2
No they did NOT and never had
Quote from: Tony on January 23, 2021, 11:06:56 AM
No they did NOT and never had
So why does the map in the timetable show pritty much the same route except the Leamore, Turnberry estate and Cheslyn Hay? I know the one did extend to Huntington but the 2 didn't.
I think I may be looking at a verry old timetable or mixing the 2 and 2A up!!!
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 23, 2021, 11:10:49 AM
So why does the map in the timetable show pritty much the same route except the Leamore, Turnberry estate and Cheslyn Hay? I know the one did extend to Huntington but the 2 didn't.
I think I may be looking at a verry old timetable or mixing the 2 and 2A up!!!
If you knew the area you would know that Leamore, Turnbury and Cheslyn Hay is virtually the whole route! The only possible common stretch for passengers to use either are Walsall to Bloxwich and as I said no-one uses Arriva Outbound on that stretch due to where they load, and as bot I and Lee have told you Stafford Road has two stops on that are rarely used
Quote from: Tony on January 23, 2021, 11:19:12 AM
If you knew the area you would know that Leamore, Turnbury and Cheslyn Hay is virtually the whole route! The only possible common stretch for passengers to use either are Walsall to Bloxwich and as I said no-one uses Arriva Outbound on that stretch due to where they load, and as bot I and Lee have told you Stafford Road has two stops on that are rarely used
I know of the area but not ae
s well as my area!!! Also looking at the current area map for Walsall it does show most of the 1, 2 & X51 routes, and most of the route is the same apart feom the bits mentioned.... so I don't see the problem with my comments?
Quote from: Bus Man K2 on January 23, 2021, 11:37:02 AM
I know of the area but not ae
s well as my area!!! Also looking at the current area map for Walsall it does show most of the 1, 2 & X51 routes, and most of the route is the same apart feom the bits mentioned.... so I don't see the problem with my comments?
Apart from the bits mentioned, which as I said is virtually the whole route, but your aggressive nature means you have to have the last word, be careful or you next may be your last word.
Quote from: Tony on January 23, 2021, 11:43:20 AM
Apart from the bits mentioned, which as I said is virtually the whole route, but your aggressive nature means you have to have the last word, be careful or you next may be your last word.
No... If I'm coming across aggressive then I'm sorry but I don't meant it.... I'm so passionate about getting everything correct and yes I know that sometimes I do argue the case but I don't mean any harm.. If I did I would think you would have blocked me and/or banned me for good... Sorry again
I hope this topic can get back to some normality now! 😁 Again I don't meant that to come across aggressive if it does.
Sometimes ip people question me my defences go up as I'm so passionate and I don't mean to start any arguments, but obvioulsy I do!! 😁 I don't mean to..
Any idea if Chaserider are running buses this morning? Website says they are not.
Quote from: WilliamLeylandNational on January 25, 2021, 09:00:56 AM
Any idea if Chaserider are running buses this morning? Website says they are not.
One major fail by Chaserider this morning is the lack of updates on their Facebook page, compare to Arriva who were updating over Sunday and into this morning and doing so very well.
Looking at the BusTimes.org site, 11 FJ55 BWA has started tracking on a 25 from 09:43 and so far and 190 FJ06 ZTN on a 74 just before 10:00 as I post this.
We have had snow so could be that they are only running some buses 16 buses are out at the mo
Quote from: Depotosw on January 25, 2021, 09:56:58 AM
One major fail by Chaserider this morning is the lack of updates on their Facebook page, compare to Arriva who were updating over Sunday and into this morning and doing so very well.
Looking at the BusTimes.org site, 11 FJ55 BWA has started tracking on a 25 from 09:43 and so far and 190 FJ06 ZTN on a 74 just before 10:00 as I post this.
I thought the same - not very helpful on the socials today unfortunately. Also I wonder how long it will take TfWM to update the timetables for the temporary change of the nunber 2.
Quote from: l.murphy123 on January 25, 2021, 11:07:54 AM
. Also I wonder how long it will take TfWM to update the timetables for the temporary change of the nunber 2.
They have changed the stop in Walsall quickly enough. Now says out of use
They've even updated the stop outside my house as well! :o
Did the Turnberry get a replacement service after all?
Quote from: Westy on January 25, 2021, 02:37:34 PM
They've even updated the stop outside my house as well! :o
Did the Turnberry get a replacement service after all?
As far as I can see, there's no service through the Turnberry Estate now.
Weirdly, both traveline and TfWM have D&G buses listed as running the 2, not Chaserider. (Traveline still show the Chaserider one on there, but when you click on it, you get a "no timetable found" message.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/find-a-timetable/#/route/twm_04002_Q_H_y11_1-1
Quote from: ellspurs on January 25, 2021, 04:03:43 PM
Weirdly, both traveline and TfWM have D&G buses listed as running the 2, not Chaserider. (Traveline still show the Chaserider one on there, but when you click on it, you get a "no timetable found" message.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/find-a-timetable/#/route/twm_04002_Q_H_y11_1-1
Isn't that something to do with using the legal name, rather than the popular trading name?
Arriva Cannock used to have the Delta Way depot listed on stop timetables as Midland Red North depot for the Cannock routes & of course you get 'West Midlands Travel' still on the bottom of the buses!
Quote from: Westy on January 25, 2021, 05:16:31 PM
Isn't that something to do with using the legal name, rather than the popular trading name?
Arriva Cannock used to have the Delta Way depot listed on stop timetables as Midland Red North depot for the Cannock routes & of course you get 'West Midlands Travel' still on the bottom of the buses!
Traveline has both "D&G" and "Chaserider" routes listed, with the Chaserider one not working. Probably just a keying error somewhere.
Quote from: ellspurs on January 25, 2021, 04:03:43 PM
Weirdly, both traveline and TfWM have D&G buses listed as running the 2, not Chaserider. (Traveline still show the Chaserider one on there, but when you click on it, you get a "no timetable found" message.
https://www.networkwestmidlands.com/plan-your-journey/find-a-timetable/#/route/twm_04002_Q_H_y11_1-1
That's because chaserider is the brand, not the company...
Quote from: BusMan Greg on January 25, 2021, 08:03:49 PM
That's because chaserider is the brand, not the company...
It's the trading name, same as Travel Express who trade as Let's Go. The operating license is under D&G.
Quote from: Pat on January 25, 2021, 09:58:42 PM
It's the trading name, same as Travel Express who trade as Let's Go. The operating license is under D&G.
Think that is what I was trying to get at!
The 6 and 827 look certain to be chopped based on the latest on Facebook. Other changes to routes/timetables as well.
Quote from: WilliamLeylandNational on January 27, 2021, 08:14:07 AM
The 6 and 827 look certain to be chopped based on the latest on Facebook. Other changes to routes/timetables as well.
Looking at the posting, they don't make it clear if covid related changes or a permanent thing, seems to be provoking comments from some unhappy customers it seems too. Would have been interesting to see the comments on the Arriva Cannock thread if Arriva had done this in the same manor! However I know it's a challenging time and wish Chaserider all the best with the network.
Quote from: Depotosw on January 27, 2021, 10:06:20 AM
Looking at the posting, they don't make it clear if covid related changes or a permanent thing, seems to be provoking comments from some unhappy customers it seems too...
I have to say, one person I saw moaning they will now have to walk 10 minutes to the bus stop is just pathetic moaning for the sake of moaning.
Lots of people have to walk more than 10 minutes in Birmingham for a bus let alone small towns. Can't have buses everywhere
Quote from: Kevin on January 27, 2021, 02:46:08 PM
I have to say, one person I saw moaning they will now have to walk 10 minutes to the bus stop is just pathetic moaning for the sake of moaning.
Lots of people have to walk more than 10 minutes in Birmingham for a bus let alone small towns. Can't have buses everywhere
But on the other hand they have had a bus pass a bus stop close by for donkey years, do you blame them? Hardly an encouragement for using the bus in the future, post covid restrictions.
Quote from: Depotosw on January 27, 2021, 04:18:38 PM
But on the other hand they have had a bus pass a bus stop close by for donkey years, do you blame them? Hardly an encouragement for using the bus in the future, post covid restrictions.
I'm in the same boat with the number 2 where I am, but it's only a 5 min walk to the nearest Nx bus stop!
Quote from: Depotosw on January 27, 2021, 04:18:38 PM
But on the other hand they have had a bus pass a bus stop close by for donkey years, do you blame them? Hardly an encouragement for using the bus in the future, post covid restrictions.
I would be very surprised if the services that have seen the changes are restored post COVID. The network Chaserider inherited hasn't been viable for years so changes would have needed to be made at some point.
@metrocity so why didnt arriva change it if services was losing money
Quote from: Solo1 on January 28, 2021, 09:42:46 AM
@metrocity so why didnt arriva change it if services was losing money
Thats the million dollar question..
Quote from: metrocity on January 28, 2021, 09:01:56 AM
I would be very surprised if the services that have seen the changes are restored post COVID. The network Chaserider inherited hasn’t been viable for years so changes would have needed to be made at some point.
Why would D and G want to buy an economic basket case in the middle of a pandemic thats ultimately gonna lose them money? I dont get it. Someone posted on fb that the new General Manager walked out after 1 week. Not sure how true that is
Quote from: Bob on January 28, 2021, 10:41:45 AM
Why would D and G want to buy an economic basket case in the middle of a pandemic thats ultimately gonna lose them money? I dont get it. Someone posted on fb that the new General Manager walked out after 1 week. Not sure how true that is
He left the business 1 week before the 9th January handover date.
Quote from: metrocity on January 28, 2021, 09:01:56 AM
I would be very surprised if the services that have seen the changes are restored post COVID. The network Chaserider inherited hasn't been viable for years so changes would have needed to be made at some point.
Like a vastly trimmed network?
Mod note: please check your quote formatting before posting, thanks
Apologies, sorry i thought i had.
Quote from: Bob on January 28, 2021, 05:20:33 PM
Like a vastly trimmed network?
Mod note: please check your quote formatting before posting, thanks
Exactly that !
See one of the newer ex Arriva Solos repainted today, not able to see reg or fleet no.
Where these being painted anyone know ?
Quote from: Vulcan on February 27, 2021, 07:01:57 PM
See one of the newer ex Arriva Solos repainted today, not able to see reg or fleet no.
Where these being painted anyone know ?
at Cannock chaserider depot ive read it on one of the posted on Facebook
Quote from: Vulcan on February 27, 2021, 07:01:57 PM
See one of the newer ex Arriva Solos repainted today, not able to see reg or fleet no.
Where these being painted anyone know ?
They are painted at Cannock, 2405,2514/16 are 3 painted so far
Where they posted on face book then I am not seeing the pictures
Quote from: Vulcan on February 27, 2021, 11:19:40 PM
Where they posted on face book then I am not seeing the pictures
There's a group called 'Centrebus, D&G, Select and Midland Classic Bus Enthusiasts', that stuff is usually posted in.
I use that but not seen any shots of repaints on there
Quote from: Vulcan on February 28, 2021, 11:39:12 AM
I use that but not seen any shots of repaints on there
I normally post pictures of the repaint on that group
So far the vehicle's that have been painted are.
177
162
166
168
180 is the next one in the paint shop
Saw a solo this morning in wednesbury any idea where it would be heading?
Quote from: 4679 on March 17, 2021, 10:14:06 AM
Saw a solo this morning in wednesbury any idea where it would be heading?
could it be going to graysons for upgrade as the 70 runs into Wolverhampton not sure what euro engine is in the solo's
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PD1128125/118
Cancellation D & G BUS LTD 75 (75A) Cannock, Bus Station, Stafford Road, Cannock Gaol Square, Stafford
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Quote from: Solo1 on March 17, 2021, 10:25:24 PM
could it be going to graysons for upgrade as the 70 runs into Wolverhampton not sure what euro engine is in the solo's
The 70 does not need upgrading to Euro 6 for a few years yet. Neither do the Select services, Arriva 9 or Banga 891.
Quote from: Fred on March 20, 2021, 05:05:06 PM
The 70 does not need upgrading to Euro 6 for a few years yet. Neither do the Select services, Arriva 9 or Banga 891.
Arriva 9 is allocated the 369X versas, which are Euro 6.
Most of what Banga puts on the 891 is Euro 6. YJ05XNS is the only vehicle that is allocated that isn't Euro 6.
Quote from: Fred on March 20, 2021, 05:05:06 PM
The 70 does not need upgrading to Euro 6 for a few years yet. Neither do the Select services, Arriva 9 or Banga 891.
How many years are we talking would you say?
Quote from: BusMan Greg on March 20, 2021, 07:11:46 PM
How many years are we talking would you say?
2022 when 100% Euro 6
From the 4th April the 14 will be partially replaced by:
D&G Adderley Green - Service 100 - Hanley - Stone
D&G/Chaserider Cannock - Service 432 - Stafford - Eccleshall
Quote from: BusMan Greg on March 20, 2021, 07:11:46 PM
How many years are we talking would you say?
Cross boundary services (as in out county, not to Sandwell!!) that run at a maximum frequency of every 30 mins have until 26th April 2026 to meet Euro 6 standards.
The only requirement currently for such services is they must be Euro 3.
So we won't be seeing a demand for euro 6 buses on the 70 any time soon! Unless D&G decide to put the frequency back to every 30 mins post Covid!
Quote from: BusMan Greg on March 30, 2021, 02:51:42 PM
So we won't be seeing a demand for euro 6 buses on the 70 any time soon! Unless D&G decide to put the frequency back to every 30 mins post Covid!
No, because they have until 2026 to do it, so unlikely to do it until nearer the time.
3 and 60A serving the outlet village from 12th April.
Doesnt look like the 2s coming back to Walsall. I cant believe theres 2 buses an hour from CheslynHay to Wolves ( neither of which are very direct ) and none to Walsall....
Quote from: Bob on March 30, 2021, 07:55:52 PM
Doesnt look like the 2s coming back to Walsall. I cant believe theres 2 buses an hour from CheslynHay to Wolves ( neither of which are very direct ) and none to Walsall....
How reliable is the train thesedays?
Quote from: Westy on March 30, 2021, 10:17:58 PM
How reliable is the train thesedays?
Not very from Cheslyn Hay station, it closed in the 1960s and never reopened
Quote from: Bob on March 30, 2021, 07:55:52 PM
Doesnt look like the 2s coming back to Walsall. I cant believe theres 2 buses an hour from CheslynHay to Wolves ( neither of which are very direct ) and none to Walsall....
I don't see the point in the 2 to Walsall being Reinstated! It would be a death sentence for D&G with NX on the X51! I heard thats doing rather well since the change took place the other week
Quote from: BusMan Greg on March 30, 2021, 10:38:09 PM
I don't see the point in the 2 to Walsall being Reinstated! It would be a death sentence for D&G with NX on the X51! I heard thats doing rather well since the change took place the other week
Theres no bus service at all from Bridgtown, Cheslyn Hay etc to Walsall at all now
Quote from: Bob on March 30, 2021, 10:51:26 PM
Theres no bus service at all from Bridgtown, Cheslyn Hay etc to Walsall at all now
Nice little gap to fill there, along with the Stafford Road in Bloxwich & Somerfield Road in Leamore, but I'm not holding my breath with the latter!
Quote from: Westy on March 30, 2021, 10:57:07 PM
Nice little gap to fill there, along with the Stafford Road in Bloxwich & Somerfield Road in Leamore, but I'm not holding my breath with the latter!
True
It would seem more likely that the 1 would come back to offer a direct service between Cannock and Walsall now that the X51 is not as direct anymore.
Quote from: WilliamLeylandNational on March 31, 2021, 09:24:30 AM
It would seem more likely that the 1 would come back to offer a direct service between Cannock and Walsall now that the X51 is not as direct anymore.
Which would still leave Bridgtown and Cheslyn Hay without a service to Walsall.
841 Stafford-Uttoxeter operated by Chaserider from 12th April.
Wouldn't it make more sense for Adderley Green to run it? If a bus was to break down in Uttoxeter, the support vehicle would only have to drive 20 mins down the road. Driving from Cannock to Uttoxeter is a right treck
Quote from: BusMan Greg on April 03, 2021, 02:39:18 PM
Wouldn't it make more sense for Adderley Green to run it? If a bus was to break down in Uttoxeter, the support vehicle would only have to drive 20 mins down the road. Driving from Cannock to Uttoxeter is a right treck
The same could be said if the vehicle broke down over Stafford way, it would be a trek for AG engineering to get there. If the vehicle breaks down over Uttoxeter way, then Adderley Green would send assistance. It doesn't
have to come from Cannock.
Also, there's a whole many reasons that determine where a route would be operated from.
On the McArthur Glen website it states that the 25/26 will be serving the designer outlet on Sundays! This can be found here https://www.mcarthurglen.com/outlets/en/uk/designer-outlet-west-midlands/plan-your-visit/
Throwing an idea out there, could it be being done to even out the depots since Cannock depot will be losing a good few buses worth of work to Select and has nothing coming in to give drivers work. The routes to Select mean 4 buses less work at Cannock but the new 432 and the 841 moving would give 3 buses worth of work to Cannock so overall, less buses are messed around. Maybe save on shunt cars as well as instead of Adderley Green sending shunt cars, the 841 drivers may be able to either get the 74 back to Cannock, be used on local Stafford routes or share a shunt car back to the depot. Overall, some savings which can be made.
Shame to see how the Cannock depot has become though in the space of just a few months. D&G proper came in with their size 15s and basically cut half the routes and has now moved half the routes so passengers get much worse value for money when it comes to day and week tickets and given them a much more confusing way to get around with a new operator. Not quite sure that this is the way to get passengers back onto buses but oh well, maybe opting for D&Gs normal managed decline strategy rather than trying to get people onboard.
The 432\841 I think ur find will Interwork with 74 for driver breaks & the drivers on the services select will b running could transfer to select
Quote from: IMarkeh on April 06, 2021, 04:51:39 AM
Throwing an idea out there, could it be being done to even out the depots since Cannock depot will be losing a good few buses worth of work to Select and has nothing coming in to give drivers work. The routes to Select mean 4 buses less work at Cannock but the new 432 and the 841 moving would give 3 buses worth of work to Cannock so overall, less buses are messed around. Maybe save on shunt cars as well as instead of Adderley Green sending shunt cars, the 841 drivers may be able to either get the 74 back to Cannock, be used on local Stafford routes or share a shunt car back to the depot. Overall, some savings which can be made.
Shame to see how the Cannock depot has become though in the space of just a few months. D&G proper came in with their size 15s and basically cut half the routes and has now moved half the routes so passengers get much worse value for money when it comes to day and week tickets and given them a much more confusing way to get around with a new operator. Not quite sure that this is the way to get passengers back onto buses but oh well, maybe opting for D&Gs normal managed decline strategy rather than trying to get people onboard.
Some very valid points, hopefully the forthcoming National Bus Strategy will remove such archaic practices moving forward and potentially even reverse some of the negative bus decisions made by Staffordshire County Council, Arriva and the various "Peddlebus" operations over the past few decades!
Quote from: Straightlines on April 06, 2021, 10:03:26 PM
Some very valid points, hopefully the forthcoming National Bus Strategy will remove such archaic practices moving forward and potentially even reverse some of the negative bus decisions made by Staffordshire County Council, Arriva and the various "Peddlebus" operations over the past few decades!
it would be nice to see some old bus links reinstated considering the eletes keep encouraging us to use public transport to reduce our Carbon footprint! This is near impossible for most people who live outside the big cities of London, Birmingham & such like
Quote from: Solo1 on April 06, 2021, 09:20:17 AM
The 432\841 I think ur find will Interwork with 74 for driver breaks & the drivers on the services select will b running could transfer to select
The 432 doesn't interwork with anything it's standalone
As for the 841 I'm not sure as it not being ran from here until next week.
Ex Arriva Commander 98 (FD52 GGV) has been withdrawn and sold for preservation.
The 25 & 26 Sunday change already mentioned, is now on website/social media!
They've now flagged a survey online, via social media.
Solo 104 is now a Chaserider bus noted on the 841 this morning.
Quote from: tphi12000 on April 14, 2021, 07:47:13 PM
Solo 104 is now a Chaserider bus noted on the 841 this morning.
E200 52 is also at Chaserider now
Quote from: Westy on April 14, 2021, 05:38:32 PM
They've now flagged a survey online, via social media.
To be fair thats a really positive thing isnt it, engaging with passengers etc 👍👍👍
Quote from: Bob on April 15, 2021, 09:22:12 PM
To be fair thats a really positive thing isnt it, engaging with passengers etc 👍👍👍
One slight issue (but whether it's been fixed since?), the first page asks what service do you use.
Unless you lie, there's no option to say you don't live on a service currently, so you can't fill in the survey!
Quote from: Westy on April 15, 2021, 10:07:20 PM
One slight issue (but whether it's been fixed since?), the first page asks what service do you use.
Unless you lie, there's no option to say you don't live on a service currently, so you can't fill in the survey!
Might have to tell a porky to get to the survey bit
Centrebus liveried Plaxton Centro in service here with Chaserider logos etc
New X14 service from 1st June
Cannock - Shifnal - Priorslee - Telford - Oakengates
Very interesting choice indeed! If they are introducing new routes like this then I wonder what they will try in the future......
Quote from: BusMan Greg on April 26, 2021, 02:32:53 PM
Very interesting choice indeed! If they are introducing new routes like this then I wonder what they will try in the future......
About time there was a Telford - Cannock link
Quote from: Pat on April 26, 2021, 02:54:40 PM
About time there was a Telford - Cannock link
Just a pity it's not serving any of the villages such as Wheaton Aston which always want a link to Telford. Nice run down the A5 mind...
Quote from: Cheese on April 26, 2021, 03:46:38 PM
Just a pity it's not serving any of the villages such as Wheaton Aston which always want a link to Telford. Nice run down the A5 mind...
Opportunity for Select perhaps?
The route itself is a bit of a strange one though. Why have they chosen to continue on to Oakengates? Why are they routing, indirectly, through Priorslee? Also, it'll be interesting to see what the response from Arriva will be regarding their 14. It's future looks insecure.
Quote from: Pat on April 26, 2021, 03:54:31 PM
Opportunity for Select perhaps?
The route itself is a bit of a strange one though. Why have they chosen to continue on to Oakengates? Why are they routing, indirectly, through Priorslee? Also, it'll be interesting to see what the response from Arriva will be regarding their 14. It's future looks insecure.
Hardly, the 891 hasn't done much in terms of arrivas 14
Quote from: BusMan Greg on April 26, 2021, 04:14:25 PM
Hardly, the 891 hasn't done much in terms of arrivas 14
It has. The 891 is a much more direct route compared to the 14s 'round the houses' route. Plus, Arriva's fares are more expensive.
Quote from: Pat on April 26, 2021, 03:54:31 PM
Opportunity for Select perhaps?
The route itself is a bit of a strange one though. Why have they chosen to continue on to Oakengates? Why are they routing, indirectly, through Priorslee? Also, it'll be interesting to see what the response from Arriva will be regarding their 14. It's future looks insecure.
I'm not sure if there isn't any S106 funding involved which might explain the slightly odd route around Priorslee.
Interesting that it isn't even run via Penkridge
Quote from: Cheese on April 26, 2021, 06:46:34 PM
I'm not sure if there isn't any S106 funding involved which might explain the slightly odd route around Priorslee.
I'm not sure on the S106 funding. There are quite a few new builds on
Castle Farm Way, which the 14 already passes.
Quote from: Kevin on April 26, 2021, 07:03:17 PM
Interesting that it isn't even run via Penkridge
I disagree. I think that the planned, direct route is more attractive. How many people would want to go from Telford to Penkridge? Plus, there's already a link between Penkridge and Cannock.
Quote from: Pat on April 26, 2021, 07:56:50 PM
I'm not sure on the S106 funding. There are quite a few new builds on
Castle Farm Way, which the 14 already passes.I disagree. I think that the planned, direct route is more attractive. How many people would want to go from Telford to Penkridge? Plus, there's already a link between Penkridge and Cannock.
There's a popular market at Penkridge & car parking not easy, but what about Penkridge people going to Telford?
Quote from: Westy on April 26, 2021, 10:40:16 PM
There's a popular market at Penkridge & car parking not easy, but what about Penkridge people going to Telford?
I believe there once was a Penkridge to Telford service, operated by Arriva that was supported by subsidies
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/351620/
Quote from: Pat on April 27, 2021, 07:00:56 AM
I believe there once was a Penkridge to Telford service, operated by Arriva that was supported by subsidies
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/351620/
There was, funded directly by South Staffordshire Council.
Quote from: Pat on April 26, 2021, 07:56:50 PM
... How many people would want to go from Telford to Penkridge? Plus, there's already a link between Penkridge and Cannock.
I was more going on using a route through Penkridge to make a Telford service more viable. I mean if Chaserider can make this work then absolutely fair play to them but it does seem illogical.
Obviously some will say what about the current Cannock - Penkridge - Stafford service. Any Stafford custom from Cannock can use the direct route and really the Stafford - Penkridge - Brewood - Wolves could do with a better frequency, Brewood and Coven have a staggeringly poor service into Wolves given it's proximity
Quote from: Kevin on April 27, 2021, 07:37:32 AM
I was more going on using a route through Penkridge to make a Telford service more viable. I mean if Chaserider can make this work then absolutely fair play to them but it does seem illogical.
Obviously some will say what about the current Cannock - Penkridge - Stafford service. Any Stafford custom from Cannock can use the direct route and really the Stafford - Penkridge - Brewood - Wolves could do with a better frequency, Brewood and Coven have a staggeringly poor service into Wolves given it's proximity
A bus every hour during the day! Hardly a poor service!
Quote from: Kevin on April 27, 2021, 07:37:32 AM
I was more going on using a route through Penkridge to make a Telford service more viable. I mean if Chaserider can make this work then absolutely fair play to them but it does seem illogical.
Obviously some will say what about the current Cannock - Penkridge - Stafford service. Any Stafford custom from Cannock can use the direct route and really the Stafford - Penkridge - Brewood - Wolves could do with a better frequency, Brewood and Coven have a staggeringly poor service into Wolves given it's proximity
I think the current route will be viable. Telford is a very popular place for shopping, and I think that adding a detour through Penkridge would put Cannock passengers off using the service.
Quote from: BusMan Greg on April 27, 2021, 08:42:22 AM
A bus every hour during the day! Hardly a poor service!
I confused the route slightly, that end has the
almost reasonable bit (only just hourly, and no evening service, and no saturday service) oops, my bad.
It's north of Brewood that hasn't got much worthwhile. Still, hourly the whole way through would surely benefit more?
Some interesting changes to note on Vosa today...
Registration number PD1128125/121
Licence Number PD1128125
Variation number 1
StatusRegistered
Service number. 62
Service type Normal Stopping
Start point Cannock, Bus Station, Stafford Road, Cannock
Finish point Lichfield
Via Hednesford
Registration number PD1128125/133
Licence Number PD1128125
Variation number0
StatusRegistered
Service number. 61
Service typeNormal Stopping
Start point Rugeley Road, Chase Terrace, Staffordshire
Finish point Lichfield Bus Station
ViaBoney Hay
Date received 10 May 2021
Effective date 21 Jun 2021
Registration number PD1128125/116
Licence Number PD1128125
Variation number1
StatusRegistered
Service number. 70, 71
Service typeNormal Stopping
Start point Cannock Bus Station
Finish point Huntington
Via Cjeslyn Hay, Featherstone, Wolverhampton
Date received 10 May 2021
Effective date 21 Jun 2021
Registration numberPD1128125/134
Licence NumberPD1128125
Variation number0
StatusRegistered
Service number. 1
Service typeNormal Stopping
Start point Cannock Bus Station
Finish point Walsall Bus Station
ViaGreat Wyrley, Bloxwich
Date received 10 May 2021
Effective date 21 Jun 2021
Registration number PD1128125/117
Licence Number PD1128125
Variation number3
StatusRegistered
Service number. 74, S74
Service typeNormal Stopping
Start pointCannock, Bus Station, Stafford Road, Cannock
Finish pointCheslyn Hay
ViaBrocton
Date received 10 May 2021
Effective date 21 Jun 2021
The H, 2, 6, 7, 8, 8A, 22, 23, 24 Have all been cancelled.
Quote from: BusMan Greg on May 13, 2021, 11:36:24 PM
The H, 2, 6, 7, 8, 8A, 22, 23, 24 Have all been cancelled.
More work for Select then?
Quote from: DJ on May 14, 2021, 12:14:24 AM
More work for Select then?
The 2 is being replaced by the 70/71/74 judging by the registraions! The 6 has already been replaced by the 875A but I assume it has only just been withdrawn because it was suspended way back! Not sure about the rest though! Although I think Rugeley locals are gone for now
the H will be run by Arriva Telford i read somewhere
Quote from: BusMan Greg on May 14, 2021, 12:17:01 AM
The 2 is being replaced by the 70/71/74 judging by the registraions! The 6 has already been replaced by the 875A but I assume it has only just been withdrawn because it was suspended way back! Not sure about the rest though! Although I think Rugeley locals are gone for now
Does this mean no bus between Cheslyn Hay and Walsall still?
Not coming from the Cannock side of Staffordshire I'm not too familiar with the bus routes but on any forum people seem really upset about the number 2 to walsall. Was this a busy route years gone by as I can't imagine D&G getting rid of a cash cow.
Select are taking on a couple of the other Stafford towns I think and handing over 1 route to Chaserider later this year.
Quote from: Bob on May 14, 2021, 09:19:06 AM
Does this mean no bus between Cheslyn Hay and Walsall still?
I dont think so no
The 61 strikes me as a strange registration. From what I can understand, it will start at Sankeys corner and go via Boney Hay to Lichfield. Sounds similar to the old 15 that Midland and a few other use to run
Clearly the end points of those registrations cannot be relied on. the 74 is shown Cannock via Brocton to Cheslyn Hay and the 70 Cannock-Huntington via Wolverhampton!
The Burntwood to Lichfield section is going to be extremely frequent now as you will have the 10A, 60, 60A, 61, 62. The whole point of the 60A was to retain the 15 min frequency between Cannock and Lichfield corridor when the 61 and 62 were cut back/withdrawn. So it's going to be interesting to see how they do this! It makes we wonder weather they are trying to kick start the buses in the area back to pre Covid levels
Quote from: DJ on May 14, 2021, 12:14:24 AM
More work for Select then?
Select 7, 8, 23 timetables now on their website.
Jun 21 changes now on website.
.
74 is running hourly to Walsall and the 1 half-hourly. to Walsall.
H is replaced by new 828 to Lichfield via the Hospital.
Intresting I wonder if the 3 will ever be extended back to Walsall
60A I'd also being withdrawn! No info on the 61 🤔
Quote from: mikestone on May 26, 2021, 04:21:37 PM
Jun 21 changes now on website.
.
74 is running hourly to Walsall and the 1 half-hourly. to Walsall.
H is replaced by new 828 to Lichfield via the Hospital.
This might be a soft question, but 'where' on the website?
Quote from: Westy on May 26, 2021, 06:22:13 PM
This might be a soft question, but 'where' on the website?
You need to look at the routes down the bottom and click on them. Clicking on the 1 drops the box down which shows "New service commencing on 21st June operating direct along the A34 between Cannock and Walsall."
Did the 1 run direct before? Or is this taking advantage of NXWM covering areas they've withdrawn from?
Quote from: ellspurs on May 26, 2021, 06:44:08 PM
You need to look at the routes down the bottom and click on them. Clicking on the 1 drops the box down which shows "New service commencing on 21st June operating direct along the A34 between Cannock and Walsall."
Did the 1 run direct before? Or is this taking advantage of NXWM covering areas they've withdrawn from?
That doesn't display properly on my phone.
Will have to look via my laptop later!
So 'direct ' via the A34 then, will that mean via Stafford Road (negating Eddie Hughes' efforts in getting service 25 extended from Bloxwich up there!), High Street, Somerfield Road (for yours truly!), then surprisingly Green Lane, which has little to no housing, which I thought was the reason for the original rerouting via Leamore shops in the first place!
Still think rerouting via Leamore Lane, Beechdale & Reedswood Sainsburys should have been considered personally!
1 (https://www.chaserider.co.uk/assets/ck1_2021-06-21.pdf)
2 has been replaced by changes to 70/71 and new 74
New 70-71 (https://www.chaserider.co.uk/assets/ck70%2c71_2021-06-21.pdf)
74 (https://www.chaserider.co.uk/assets/ck74_2021-06-21.pdf)
826/827/828 (https://www.chaserider.co.uk/assets/ck826%2c827%2c828%2cs828_2021-06-21.pdf)
All the timetables have the routes on there (one thing that I definitely miss from the NX timetables).
Cheers for that
@ellspurs .
Another thing to note is the 827's extension to the Wildwood estate! If I remember correctly, Arriva withdrawn the service to Wildwood when Stafford depot closed back in 2016! I assume it wasn't making much money. The last service to serve the area was Select's 73 which was tendered I think!
Just noticed that Service 1 only operates Monday to Friday.
Is that right?
Quote from: Westy on May 26, 2021, 10:15:12 PM
Just noticed that Service 1 only operates Monday to Friday.
Is that right?
Yes
Notice how there will be 2 74s in Walsall now
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 27, 2021, 09:19:01 AM
Notice how there will be 2 74s in Walsall now
Ones 74A...
Quote from: BK63 YWP on May 27, 2021, 09:40:00 AM
Ones 74A...
The 74A is the Dudley - West Bromwich service; the Walsall - Gillity Village is numbered 74
Smart move on the 1 potentially - X51 stuck round the houses and less 'X' than the 1
Quote from: WilliamLeylandNational on May 27, 2021, 12:16:43 PM
Smart move on the 1 potentially - X51 stuck round the houses and less 'X' than the 1
Looks like the X51 is being increased to 20 minutes in response to this - timetable on TFWM website
Interesting that they're running a Stafford service through from Walsall. Would have thought if anyone would attempt that it would be as a more direct route (merge with the 1) not round Cheslyn Hay, but good luck
Between the 2 services, they've managed to recreate the old 65 / 865 service of years gone by!
(To be honest, it should have been numbered 65, not 74, but beggars can't be choosers!)
Anyone know what vehicle was on the X14 today?
Quote from: Pat on June 01, 2021, 05:26:46 PM
Anyone know what vehicle was on the X14 today?
13 plate E200
Quote from: Pat on June 01, 2021, 05:26:46 PM
Anyone know what vehicle was on the X14 today?
It was 22 MM13OCH I believe
Nice to see the X14 being advertised on the information screens at Telford bus station yesterday, with an eye-catching promo highlighting the fact that it stops at Weston Park and the designer outlet. The laminated X14 timetables stuck to the departure bay door were, in fact, the only timetables on display, anywhere, in Telford bus station. There is no signage for departure bays, only the electronic screens, and the travel office has of course been shut by Arriva despite apparently (according to the redundant sign by the door) being supported by the local tourist board. A truly abysmal place in terms of information. But also good to see from Chaserider were X14 timetables at all stops along the route through Telford and Shifnal.
I travelled at 1349 from Telford towards Cannock, in the company of one other passenger, a third joining at Shifnal; we all alighted coincidentally at the designer outlet where three were waiting to return.
While I was drinking a coffee in the sun just outside Telford bus station entrance beforehand, the bus passed through on its very slightly delayed westbound leg and I overheard, quite separately and coincidentally, a couple of pairs of passers-by remark along the lines of 'that red bus' being 'the new one to Cannock' - proving that they must have seen and absorbed the info on display. So that's timetables and information prominently displayed, helping to spread the word about a new route - why do so few bus companies grasp how basic and important this is!!!!!
Caught the X14 today from the last outbound stop from Cannock by the Shell garage as its at the end of the road i live on. Theres a stop and shelter opposite. Coming back it takes a totally different route from Longford island going straight down the A5 with no bus stop till Delta Way! Thats insane! Luckily the driver let us off on A5 but theoretically would either have had to walk from delta way with loads of shopping if it even stops there or stay on go to the designer village then back to cannock and back out again to get to the stop i boarded at.
Quote from: Bob on June 05, 2021, 05:02:49 PM
Caught the X14 today from the last outbound stop from Cannock by the Shell garage as its at the end of the road i live on. Theres a stop and shelter opposite. Coming back it takes a totally different route from Longford island going straight down the A5 with no bus stop till Delta Way! Thats insane! Luckily the driver let us off on A5 but theoretically would either have had to walk from delta way with loads of shopping if it even stops there or stay on go to the designer village then back to cannock and back out again to get to the stop i boarded at.
Looking at the description, it seems to do a loop of Cannock, turning right onto the a5 and looping around to the Bus Station via McArthur Glen. The timetable suggests there is a 5 minute layover in Oakengates per round trip, so probably not enough time to do a fully reversed route.
I haven't been up to the Retail Park yet, but looking at various timetables, both Chaserider & NX X51, plus looking at BusTimes.org, I get the impression services cannot terminate there, just pass through instead.
Is that right?
Quote from: Westy on June 05, 2021, 07:43:25 PM
I haven't been up to the Retail Park yet, but looking at various timetables, both Chaserider & NX X51, plus looking at BusTimes.org, I get the impression services cannot terminate there, just pass through instead.
Is that right?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.6904028,-2.0123708,3a,23.8y,265.81h,88.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1st5o2aC0sr0B3ualHJa1Gzw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
There's bus stops on the side of the road on one of the outlet roads to the place. There's a lay-by there so theoretically they could lay over in it. Just don't believe any service is actually terminating there at the moment.
Quote from: ellspurs on June 05, 2021, 08:04:48 PM
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.6904028,-2.0123708,3a,23.8y,265.81h,88.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1st5o2aC0sr0B3ualHJa1Gzw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
There's bus stops on the side of the road on one of the outlet roads to the place. There's a lay-by there so theoretically they could lay over in it. Just don't believe any service is actually terminating there at the moment.
Just thought there had to be a reason why some services were routed as they were, eg the X51 diverting via the Orbital then McArthur Glen, then Cannock, losing the Bridgtown section, instead going via Bridgtown, then Cannock, then McArthur Glen then Orbital loop back the way they came, bearing in mind there was concern over Bridgtown passengers wanting a link to the Walsall route.
Quote from: Westy on June 06, 2021, 12:18:42 PM
Just thought there had to be a reason why some services were routed as they were, eg the X51 diverting via the Orbital then McArthur Glen, then Cannock, losing the Bridgtown section, instead going via Bridgtown, then Cannock, then McArthur Glen then Orbital loop back the way they came, bearing in mind there was concern over Bridgtown passengers wanting a link to the Walsall route.
In the case of the X51 isn't this simply because they have been given funding to serve the development?
Quote from: Cheese on June 06, 2021, 12:31:33 PM
In the case of the X51 isn't this simply because they have been given funding to serve the development?
Yes, I agree, but you'd still serve the development if you went into Cannock first, then out again!
The reason I was asking was why certain buses served McArthurGlen first, before going into Cannock & I wondered whether it was because there was no
terminating facillities at McArthur Glen, but as
@ellspurs said there is a bay there, that could be used.
The Sunday buses from Pye Green & Hednesford operate similarly don't they? It's not the exact same route as the Monday to Saturday service is it?
Quote from: Westy on June 06, 2021, 12:49:10 PM
Yes, I agree, but you'd still serve the development if you went into Cannock first, then out again!
The reason I was asking was why certain buses served McArthurGlen first, before going into Cannock & I wondered whether it was because there was no terminating facillities at McArthur Glen, but as @ellspurs said there is a bay there, that could be used.
The Sunday buses from Pye Green & Hednesford operate similarly don't they? It's not the exact same route as the Monday to Saturday service is it?
The Sunday routes seem to skip out Old Hendesford Road?
https://bustimes.org/services/25a-cannock-pye-green-hednesford#map
https://bustimes.org/services/25-cannock-pye-green-hednesford-cannock-circular#map
why didnt they build the rd so buses could drop nearer to the entrance rather than as they have if you know what i mean if you have been there
Quote from: Solo1 on June 06, 2021, 01:52:19 PM
why didnt they build the rd so buses could drop nearer to the entrance rather than as they have if you know what i mean if you have been there
Developers don't want buses near their shops do they...! They're only interested in punters in cars, public transport usually an afterthought. They will only provide what they have to so they get planning permission, nothing more.
Quote from: Cheese on June 06, 2021, 03:38:02 PM
Developers don't want buses near their shops do they...! They're only interested in punters in cars, public transport usually an afterthought. They will only provide what they have to so they get planning permission, nothing more.
That's not true at all. The developers are the ones subsidising the X51 to go into the place
Quote from: Tony on June 06, 2021, 03:41:03 PM
That's not true at all. The developers are the ones subsidising the X51 to go into the place
so why didnt they plan to have the buses stop nearer in that case instead of having to walk about 5-10 mins to the shops
Quote from: Solo1 on June 06, 2021, 04:37:57 PM
so why didnt they plan to have the buses stop nearer in that case instead of having to walk about 5-10 mins to the shops
Have you been there? obviously not.
My house is 10 minutes walk away! the bus stop is 2 minutes walk maximum
Regarding the proximity of the MacArthur Glen outlet bus stops to the actual shops, surely you also have to consider the potential trade-off between getting the buses closer to the door but then getting more deeply embroiled in the circulating and queueing car park traffic at busy times.
Quote from: Tony on June 06, 2021, 04:40:24 PM
Have you been there? obviously not.
My house is 10 minutes walk away! the bus stop is 2 minutes walk maximum
How far was your previous nearest bus stop away?
The 21st June changes now include the 841 diverted via the hospital and a new service 10 to serve Kingston Hill in Stafford.
https://busandtrainuser.com/2021/06/09/cannock-to-telford-with-chaserider/
Quote from: WilliamLeylandNational on June 11, 2021, 09:30:13 AM
https://busandtrainuser.com/2021/06/09/cannock-to-telford-with-chaserider/
5/10 then. Nearly as bad as Arriva !
The Dart got swapped twice that day! For two equally unreliable Darts! 🤣
I've just read "WilliamLeylandNational's" comments about Chaserider and he like others seems to mis-understand the link between D&G Bus and Select Bus Services. They do not have common owners and do not have the same livery colours. D&G is a wholly owned subsidiary of Centrebus whose majority shareholder is Julian Peddle. Select is owned by Ben Brown with Julian Peddle as a minority shareholder. The liveries are not the same, granted they are both red but the shades used are very different both in the main colour and the skirt, Select skirt colour is very much darker, put side by side the differences are easily seen, From a personal point of view I prefer the Select colours. They do work closely together in that Select have taken surplus vehicles from both D&G and Centrebus (I assume some payment would have been made) and some routes in the area have been swopped. It's also worth noting that D&G have moved operation of two Stafford services from their Adderley Green depot to Cannock.
Sampled the new X14 service for the first time yesterday. Whilst it is a luxury to have a direct connection to Cannock/MacArthur Glen, I can't help but point out the reliability issues that the route faces. The bus was 10 minutes late on arrival at my stop. The timetable is evidently too tight for running time, with only 5 minutes recovery time at either end of the route. My suggestion would be to axe the Oakengates section, as I can't see the need for it, or operate direct to Shifnal, instead of serving Priorslee.
Why not just run it to & from Telford Bus Station?
Arriva haven't axed all their routes in Telford surely?
They must run themselves between Oakengates & Telford BS themselves?
Quote from: Westy on June 15, 2021, 12:46:10 PM
Why not just run it to & from Telford Bus Station?
Arriva haven't axed all their routes in Telford surely?
They must run themselves between Oakengates & Telford BS themselves?
Yes, there's 5 routes (4 direct) that run between Telford & Oakengates. Between Telford & Priorslee, Arriva's 14 service, subsidised by T&WC, covers exactly the same route as Chaserider (Arriva serve Gatcombe Way & Salisbury Avenue additionally) so there's no real need for the X14 to be routed via Priorslee either.
Wondering if they're going to have enough vehicles to cover the expanded network from Monday....given the frequent failures of the Solo's would they even cope on a Stafford to Walsall round trip?
Quote from: Pat on June 15, 2021, 01:49:12 PM
Yes, there's 5 routes (4 direct) that run between Telford & Oakengates. Between Telford & Priorslee, Arriva's 14 service, subsidised by T&WC, covers exactly the same route as Chaserider (Arriva serve Gatcombe Way & Salisbury Avenue additionally) so there's no real need for the X14 to be routed via Priorslee either.
Think it's changing from July to remove Oakengates and Priorslee which may help reliability.
Quote from: Cheese on June 18, 2021, 03:40:46 PM
Think it's changing from July to remove Oakengates and Priorslee which may help reliability.
They should remove the A5 section inbound to Cannock too
So on the X14 today theyve stuck FD52 GGU....The oldest bus currently in service....in old Arriva livery....and one thats broke down a few times recently too. Great marketing 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Not like there were a dozen red buses they couldve used.....
Quote from: Bob on June 19, 2021, 11:20:44 AM
So on the X14 today theyve stuck FD52 GGU....The oldest bus currently in service....in old Arriva livery....and one thats broke down a few times recently too. Great marketing 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Not like there were a dozen red buses they couldve used.....
A Metrocity passed me on the first journey yesterday morning. They should really be the allocation for it, as they're perfectly suited to interurban work like the X14.
Quote from: Bob on June 19, 2021, 11:20:44 AM
So on the X14 today theyve stuck FD52 GGU....The oldest bus currently in service....in old Arriva livery....and one thats broke down a few times recently too. Great marketing Not like there were a dozen red buses they couldve used.....
Probably missing its former home of Telford :) Although wonder what Arriva may think over in Telford.
When I had a visit of the Chaserider network in Stafford and Cannock areas, it was one of the newer E200's that failed to start on the 74 and the journey was dropped as a result at Cannock and I didn't get to return back to Stafford. The 54 plate SPDs were good I sampled and did a few and even did one of the 52 plate Commanders and that was ok.
I'm guessing there isn't enough red buses yet to enable Chaserider to run their own livered buses to areas also served by Arriva, so there isn't potential confusion, if I assume that is what Depotosw is getting at?
Quote from: Westy on June 19, 2021, 10:29:04 PM
I'm guessing there isn't enough red buses yet to enable Chaserider to run their own livered buses to areas also served by Arriva, so there isn't potential confusion, if I assume that is what Depotosw is getting at?
Its a one vehicle working you'd think it would be possibe. Driver yesterday reckoned the route wont last cos its losing money. I got the 13.49 from Telford and was the only passenger for the length of the route
Quote from: Bob on June 20, 2021, 10:22:01 AM
Its a one vehicle working you'd think it would be possibe. Driver yesterday reckoned the route wont last cos its losing money. I got the 13.49 from Telford and was the only passenger for the length of the route
Correct me if I'm wrong, but once it leaves the Cannock area, it's non stop to Weston Park, then non stop to Shifnal?
I guess Telford customers are making their own way in a car, as otherwise it would be train to Brum, then the Chase Line to Cannock, which I suppose would be longer than the Chaserider route!
Question for our Telford posters.
Is there any local coach operators(if there's any left?) in your area operating day trips from Telford to McArthur Glen?
That's the only other way I can see non car users getting from Telford over there!
Quote from: Westy on June 20, 2021, 05:14:11 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but once it leaves the Cannock area, it's non stop to Weston Park, then non stop to Shifnal?
I guess Telford customers are making their own way in a car, as otherwise it would be train to Brum, then the Chase Line to Cannock, which I suppose would be longer than the Chaserider route!
Question for our Telford posters.
Is there any local coach operators(if there's any left?) in your area operating day trips from Telford to McArthur Glen?
That's the only other way I can see non car users getting from Telford over there!
Or naybe people in Telford arent that bothered about going to it poss...
Quote from: Bob on June 20, 2021, 05:58:31 PM
Or naybe people in Telford arent that bothered about going to it poss...
Or perhaps Cheshire Oaks is better for them?
Quote from: Westy on June 20, 2021, 06:13:44 PM
Or perhaps Cheshire Oaks is better for them?
Possibly mate
I`ve not seen any advertisement from Elcocks in Telford for the outlet centre but tbh if I don`t like the idea of these outlet centres as its doing away with with town centres in my opinion and I`ve been to a few outlet centres and you can find things in shops if not cheaper
All Solo's and Solo SR's on the 1's as they interwork with the 3's; Dart's, an E200, and a streetlite on the 70/71; Solo's on the 62; E200 on the 61 which did the 841 short to Stafford Hospital this morning.
Quote from: BusMan Greg on June 21, 2021, 11:41:25 AM
All Solo's and Solo SR's on the 1's as they interwork with the 3's; Dart's, an E200, and a streetlite on the 70/71; Solo's on the 62; E200 on the 61 which did the 841 short to Stafford Hospital this morning.
Also a Commander on 1/3
The first 1 south seems to come back north out of service but showing 'College Service ', I noticed while waiting for the second 1 at 7am to come!
Imo, Solo's and Solo SR's won't attract the passengers off the X51 onto the number 1! If I were them, I'd attempt to put the most presentable vehicles on the 1's and 74's to ensure they make a good impression in the area! Needs must I suppose....
Quote from: BusMan Greg on June 21, 2021, 02:32:55 PM
Imo, Solo's and Solo SR's won't attract the passengers off the X51 onto the number 1! If I were them, I'd attempt to put the most presentable vehicles on the 1's and 74's to ensure they make a good impression in the area! Needs must I suppose....
The 1 is much faster than the X51 if I recall? If so I think this gives the 1 a huge advantage, particularly if they can back up the faster journey with friendly drivers, a reliable timetable and clean vehicles
Quote from: metrocity on June 21, 2021, 03:14:41 PM
The 1 is much faster than the X51 if I recall? If so I think this gives the 1 a huge advantage, particularly if they can back up the faster journey with friendly drivers, a reliable timetable and clean vehicles
You've got to think from the point of view of a passenger! Would you rather take a fast bus that is older and has less features! Or would you rather take a modern platinum bus with free WiFi, USB charging ports that would take 10 to 15 mins longer?
Quote from: Grinder on June 13, 2021, 09:01:26 AM
I've just read "WilliamLeylandNational's" comments about Chaserider and he like others seems to mis-understand the link between D&G Bus and Select Bus Services. They do not have common owners and do not have the same livery colours. D&G is a wholly owned subsidiary of Centrebus whose majority shareholder is Julian Peddle. Select is owned by Ben Brown with Julian Peddle as a minority shareholder. The liveries are not the same, granted they are both red but the shades used are very different both in the main colour and the skirt, Select skirt colour is very much darker, put side by side the differences are easily seen, From a personal point of view I prefer the Select colours. They do work closely together in that Select have taken surplus vehicles from both D&G and Centrebus (I assume some payment would have been made) and some routes in the area have been swopped. It's also worth noting that D&G have moved operation of two Stafford services from their Adderley Green depot to Cannock.
They were not my comments. I shared a link to Bus and Train User - who is a known industry person and former bus company MD.
Quote from: metrocity on June 21, 2021, 03:14:41 PM
The 1 is much faster than the X51 if I recall? If so I think this gives the 1 a huge advantage, particularly if they can back up the faster journey with friendly drivers, a reliable timetable and clean vehicles
Chaserider have had real issues with the Solos, zlmost daily breakdowns with them and many are in quite poor condition inside. One broke down on the 70 i was on in Wolves on 21st May and hasnt been used since, another had an engine fire in service a couple of weeks ago. Theyre off road quite a bit. They dont seem to be up to the task of interurban routes, so reliability might be an issue
Despite (at the time).Claribels having much older vehicles a lot of passengers chose Claribels because they were much quicker than travel West Midlands &
@Bob with all the works going on around the Walsall Rd Perry barr great barr etc the X51 has the potential to lose reliability.
It's going to be interesting
Quote from: Steveminor on June 21, 2021, 04:34:57 PM
Despite (at the time).Claribels having much older vehicles a lot of passengers chose Claribels because they were much quicker than travel West Midlands & @Bob with all the works going on around the Walsall Rd Perry barr great barr etc the X51 has the potential to lose reliability.
It's going to be interesting
Definetely
Quote from: Bob on June 21, 2021, 04:17:45 PM
Chaserider have had real issues with the Solos, zlmost daily breakdowns with them and many are in quite poor condition inside. One broke down on the 70 i was on in Wolves on 21st May and hasnt been used since, another had an engine fire in service a couple of weeks ago. Theyre off road quite a bit. They dont seem to be up to the task of interurban routes, so reliability might be an issue
I heard one broke down in Cheslyn Hay last week?147 I believe! It hasn't seen the road since
Quote from: BusMan Greg on June 21, 2021, 03:22:26 PM
You've got to think from the point of view of a passenger! Would you rather take a fast bus that is older and has less features! Or would you rather take a modern platinum bus with free WiFi, USB charging ports that would take 10 to 15 mins longer?
For one the Walsall Plattys don't have USB charging, and two the majority of normal passengers don't really care about the features of the bus as long as it gets them to their destination, and also some people might be drawn to the 1 as it won't be as busy as the X51 so they may feel more comfortable on the 1 for social distancing
Quote from: John on June 21, 2021, 06:13:07 PM
For one the Walsall Plattys don't have USB charging, and two the majority of normal passengers don't really care about the features of the bus as long as it gets them to their destination, and also some people might be drawn to the 1 as it won't be as busy as the X51 so they may feel more comfortable on the 1 for social distancing
Maybe but if the vehicles are pretty shoddy and unreliable it might not be that attractive
Quote from: John on June 21, 2021, 06:13:07 PM
For one the Walsall Plattys don't have USB charging, and two the majority of normal passengers don't really care about the features of the bus as long as it gets them to their destination, and also some people might be drawn to the 1 as it won't be as busy as the X51 so they may feel more comfortable on the 1 for social distancing
Forgot that the earlier Plati's don't have USB's! But still, they're much more attractive than standard spec vehicles for people who may benefit from the features!
Dunno about journey 1 south this morning on service 1, but I was the only one on journey 2 from Leamore to Walsall, so god knows who was on that bus before me.
Also, it was slightly late(timed at 702am, but not arriving until roughly 705am, but as I was the only passenger, it ran non stop to Walsall, enabling me to get the 721am 529.
Personally I think it needs to be timed at least 5 minutes earlier, so I can get an earlier 529, as I didn't clock in till 752am!
Other than catching the first journey, that arrives 642am by me, looks like I'll be stopping on the Bloxwich Road services!
Caught the first journey on Service 1 for a change.
Didn't see the fleet number but it was a full size dual door thing.
They had leaflets on, but only for the Stafford area!
Did point this out to driver, who was surprisingly friendly about it & we had a brief chat about the route.
Turned out I was the first & only passenger on that journey!
Quote from: Westy on June 22, 2021, 07:07:45 AM
Didn't see the fleet number but it was a full size dual door thing.
It would've been one of the SN64 plate StreetLites then, which are ex-London, hence the dual doors.
Quote from: DJ on June 22, 2021, 08:40:45 AM
It would've been one of the SN64 plate StreetLites then, which are ex-London, hence the dual doors.
Could of also been 51 or 52 which are dual door that came from Adderley Green! E200s they are
Currently on 74 to work in Stafford. Its bus no 40 the mini E200, i dont know why they think these and solos are or ever have been appropriate....its rammed
In my experience living in Chester, I can maybe give some information given we have Cheshire Oaks and I know a lot about the buses there. These outlets aren't visited much by people who live rather local. It's tourists and students. Most Cheshire Oaks patronage is workers travelling locally or students/tourists from Liverpool. All the locals go a few times and get to know 'you can walk around all day and find nothing'.
If you look at most other outlet villages, they have minimal buses or require quite a long walk to the bus. Cheshire Oaks only has the usage it has because it's established and has a bus to 2 very touristy cities with a reach for 4 universities (Chester, John Moors, Liverpool and extended to Hope Uni with the Stagecoach tickets). Add in to that, the bus is frequent.
These outlet villages unfortunately are car centric and so you have to hit very specific markets and you won't get that with an express Telford Bus. I think the X14 should cut Oakengates and use the time to divert off the A5 into one of the villages. Wheaton Aston or Brewood & Bishops Wood. Then you are providing a service to these villages which currently have a minimal service (certainly nothing to Telford or Cannock) so you offer local links which will help things. In Telford, scrap Priorslee and instead do Stafford Park to try and get some workers trade or Hollinswood to get passing trade (which also gets people talking)
You will never make money on a dedicated (or very close to dedicated) service to an outlet centre. Sad but true. You have to have a decent amount of other passengers as well. I don't think the 2 hourly timetable is doing them any favours between Shifnal and Telford. Really, they could do with having a ticketing agreement with Banga for this section. Mutually beneficial since it steals passengers from Arriva. Could encourage more people onto the bus since more trips are available to people rather than 3 companies each with their own tickets and validity.
I think then, I would route the bus in Cannock to accomodate some local journeys and run the same way both directions, not run as a circular.
I don't think the X14 was set up to succeed. If it was, it would be significantly better ran by now. Typical D&G style though, they thought they could jump onto a route and it make money very quickly with minimal effort put in. I hate to break it to them, this logic doesn't work. Fail to prepare, prepare to fail.
Quote from: IMarkeh on June 22, 2021, 06:16:58 PM
In my experience living in Chester, I can maybe give some information given we have Cheshire Oaks and I know a lot about the buses there. These outlets aren't visited much by people who live rather local. It's tourists and students. Most Cheshire Oaks patronage is workers travelling locally or students/tourists from Liverpool. All the locals go a few times and get to know 'you can walk around all day and find nothing'.
If you look at most other outlet villages, they have minimal buses or require quite a long walk to the bus. Cheshire Oaks only has the usage it has because it's established and has a bus to 2 very touristy cities with a reach for 4 universities (Chester, John Moors, Liverpool and extended to Hope Uni with the Stagecoach tickets). Add in to that, the bus is frequent.
These outlet villages unfortunately are car centric and so you have to hit very specific markets and you won't get that with an express Telford Bus. I think the X14 should cut Oakengates and use the time to divert off the A5 into one of the villages. Wheaton Aston or Brewood & Bishops Wood. Then you are providing a service to these villages which currently have a minimal service (certainly nothing to Telford or Cannock) so you offer local links which will help things. In Telford, scrap Priorslee and instead do Stafford Park to try and get some workers trade or Hollinswood to get passing trade (which also gets people talking)
You will never make money on a dedicated (or very close to dedicated) service to an outlet centre. Sad but true. You have to have a decent amount of other passengers as well. I don't think the 2 hourly timetable is doing them any favours between Shifnal and Telford. Really, they could do with having a ticketing agreement with Banga for this section. Mutually beneficial since it steals passengers from Arriva. Could encourage more people onto the bus since more trips are available to people rather than 3 companies each with their own tickets and validity.
I think then, I would route the bus in Cannock to accomodate some local journeys and run the same way both directions, not run as a circular.
I don't think the X14 was set up to succeed. If it was, it would be significantly better ran by now. Typical D&G style though, they thought they could jump onto a route and it make money very quickly with minimal effort put in. I hate to break it to them, this logic doesn't work. Fail to prepare, prepare to fail.
The poor timekeeping doesnt help. The 4.42 hadnt even made it to cannock by almost 4.55
Take the 1 for example. Theyve used arguably some of the shoddiest vehicles in the fleet, 2x arriva liveried Darts, one that smokes badly and sounds like the engine was going to fall out and a tatty Solo. Theyve already had a breakdown om there today. 1s were leaving Cannock empty while people waited for the X51
What did they actually do 'behind the scenes ', while the temporary cutbacks were on?
I presume they did do something to the inherited fleet other than start the repainting process?
The Solos/Volvos that have been sprayed havent had an internal refurb, apparently its not D & G policy. Some are pretty rough internally
Quote from: Bob on June 22, 2021, 10:51:41 PM
The Solos/Volvos that have been sprayed havent had an internal refurb, apparently its not D & G policy. Some are pretty rough internally
What about 'mechanically '?
Quote from: Westy on June 23, 2021, 10:24:48 AM
What about 'mechanically '?
Well...given that the Solos break down daily lol
Apparently bus 24, on the 1, has broken down in Walsall Bus Station, blocking the X51, X529 & 41 stand!
Quote from: Westy on June 23, 2021, 04:18:48 PM
Apparently bus 24, on the 1, has broken down in Walsall Bus Station, blocking the X51, X529 & 41 stand!
Looking good 🤣
24 was the one that got swapped mid shift on the 61 yesterday!
18.27 no 74 cannock to stafford hasnt turned up disappeared off bus times etc no replacement with a 1hr wait. Youd think with the amount of breakdowns and missed journeys VOSA might check them out as buses are breaking own a lot
Quote from: Bob on June 29, 2021, 06:39:29 PM
18.27 no 74 cannock to stafford hasnt turned up disappeared off bus times etc no replacement with a 1hr wait. Youd think with the amount of breakdowns and missed journeys VOSA might check them out as buses are breaking own a lot
Funny you should say that, at around 17.50 a recovery vehicle was seen in Stafford coupling up to the back of 104 which has been on the 841's all day! Explains why I seen an SR heading to Uttoxeter with '70 Huntington' on the blinds....
Quote from: BusMan Greg on June 29, 2021, 09:37:46 PM
Funny you should say that, at around 17.50 a recovery vehicle was seen in Stafford coupling up to the back of 104 which has been on the 841's all day! Explains why I seen an SR heading to Uttoxeter with '70 Huntington' on the blinds....
104 broke down on the 1 last week or week before. And 106 broke down same day in bus stn lol. Solos arent really good for interurbans
162 broke down on the 70 me and my mate were on into Wolves on 21st May and hasnt been out since. Acouple of days after another 09 plate SR broke down on the railway bridge at Hednesford. Dart broke down on 74 on Monday and was replaced by 104 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Quote from: Bob on June 29, 2021, 11:06:00 PM
162 broke down on the 70 me and my mate were on into Wolves on 21st May and hasnt been out since. Acouple of days after another 09 plate SR broke down on the railway bridge at Hednesford. Dart broke down on 74 on Monday and was replaced by 104 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
I remember seeing a timetable for the 70 from 2007 during the old 'Chaselinx' days! It ran every 20 mins then! Now reduced to hourly with Solo's/Solo SR's being the main face before the June 21st changes took place. How times have changed......
I suggested to D&G in a recent survey they launched on the Chaserider website that they should add a couple of later trips on the 70! Doubt it will happen unfortunatly as it all boils down to demand! which there is a lack of I'm afraid!
Maybe this company is just being 'innovative'. Make the passengers more thankful when a bus does actually turn up, something along those lines perhaps. It's probably NXWM fault somehow!
Looks like something was up with the sole scania on X14 today got replaced with a Volvo for 2nd journey...and although its not that accurate according the bustimes Solo broke down on 62 this morning and its been a bus down all day
The Volvo on the X14 has now been replaced with Solo pulled from the 1/3. One of the poorer Solos too ..
Coming into Cannock on X51 at 5pm and the X14 was just entering the designer outlet....it was either extremely early or very late
Are all of these breakdowns the old Arriva 'tat' that Bob was oh so pleased to see on a daily basis?
Not all no. Interestingly, Dart 7 has come in on a 3 from Brownhills.in service with the engine cover up despite being flashed driver hasnt noticed. Its going out, in that condition on the 1 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Quote from: ellspurs on June 30, 2021, 05:14:13 PM
Are all of these breakdowns the old Arriva 'tat' that Bob was oh so pleased to see on a daily basis?
One of their home grown Solos caught fire a couple of weeks ago and hasnt been out since
Quote from: Bob on June 30, 2021, 05:24:08 PM
Not all no. Interestingly, Dart 7 has come in on a 3 from Brownhills.in service with the engine cover up despite being flashed driver hasnt noticed. Its going out, in that condition on the 1 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I remember seeing a Midland Classic vehicle doing that in Lichfield Bus Station once.
Facebooked them to tell them!
Volvo broke down in Stafford last night. The Solo on X14 only managed 1 round trip. Another Volvo has been stuck on it. A two hourly route has got through four buses in a day when its usual allocation is 1 bus 🤦♂️
An SPD dart was pulled off 70 this morning ( or broke down) and either 104/106 got taken off the pye greens and hasnt been out again since this morning. 106 i think. Both those Solos struggle to do a full days service maybe they should be permanently on Pye Greens for the inevitable breakdowns daily...
SPD 6 hasn't been seen since late April! SLF 19/2379 made into service for a brief time at the very start but hasn't been out in months....
12 on the first number 1 down today.
Quote from: Westy on July 01, 2021, 07:10:28 AM
12 on the first number 1 down today.
12 passengers?
Think he means dart number 12
Quote from: BusMan Greg on July 01, 2021, 08:49:54 AM
Think he means dart number 12
Was gonna say 12 on board would be a miracle lol
To be honest, there was one other passenger & he'd come from Cannock as he didn't want to go round the houses on the X51.
By the way, has Chaserider been told the unloading arrangements for Walsall Bus Station, as it's not stopping in the same place twice?
X14 timetable changed from 12th July with Oakengates and Priorslee no longer served: http://chaserider.co.uk/assets/ckx14_2021-07-12.pdf
Quote from: Express Sprinter 158 on July 03, 2021, 09:39:08 PM
X14 timetable changed from 12th July with Oakengates and Priorslee no longer served: http://chaserider.co.uk/assets/ckx14_2021-07-12.pdf
Good. The Oakengates & Priorslee sections were pointless, and contributed to the unreliability of the route.
104 on the X14 this afternoon. Their brave lol
Quote from: BusMan Greg on July 07, 2021, 04:09:27 PM
104 on the X14 this afternoon. Their brave lol
Why? What's wrong with it?
Quote from: Pat on July 07, 2021, 04:33:02 PM
Why? What's wrong with it?
Didnt even manage a full round trip
Shouldve done the 16.42 from Cannock but got replaced by the metrocity which started at designer village,it was pulled off the 1s and 3s
Quote from: BusMan Greg on July 07, 2021, 04:09:27 PM
104 on the X14 this afternoon. Their brave lol
The mini E200, 40 was on there before that. The one with the crusty stained seats. Wonder what happened to it
Quote from: Pat on July 07, 2021, 04:33:02 PM
Why? What's wrong with it?
Can't seem to last a full day in service
Quote from: BusMan Greg on July 07, 2021, 07:04:53 PM
Can't seem to last a full day in service
106 isnt particularly reliable either
Quote from: Bob on July 07, 2021, 07:13:31 PM
106 isnt particularly reliable either
Where has 106 been recently?
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/274954
Some time on the circular, some pottering to Wolverhampton and Stafford, it seems.
How much would a single ticket be from Cannock to Wolvo on the 70? Thanks
Quote from: Jack on July 12, 2021, 04:08:59 PM
How much would a single ticket be from Cannock to Wolvo on the 70? Thanks
"Single and return tickets are priced according to the distance that you travel. You can ask the driver, or if you want to know in advance call us on 01543 758594." - Chaserider Website
Easiest way would be to give them a ring.
Quote from: Jack on July 12, 2021, 04:08:59 PM
How much would a single ticket be from Cannock to Wolvo on the 70? Thanks
At a guess about £3.70 ish
Probably no help but it's £2.70 single between Wolves and Cheslyn Hay on the 70/71, can't recall whether there is another stage as far as Cannock or if it's £2.70 to Cannock also.
Cannock area timetable leaflet reprinted, to account for x14 change.
First time I saw them this morning mind.
No sign of the first number 1 down this morning!
No9 is a nice bus to have on the 74....shaking badly at speed and lovely metal strips missing off the ceiling with wires hanging down and the bits that arent hanging held on with cheap sellotape
The 74 is all Solo bar one bus ( the solo that had to be towed in this morning and never made it back out of Stafford to Walsall). Crikey who does the allocating? Shove the most unreliable buses they have one of their longest routes... .
2 of the Solos have broken down with buses taken off other routes to replace them ironically 104...possibly Cannocks most unreliable bus is one of the replacements, pulled off Pye Greens
The other Solo that broke down had to be towed back..106.
E200 122 is now at Chaserider, noted in Walsall on the 74 this afternoon!
Quote from: Bob on July 20, 2021, 04:05:08 PM
The other Solo that broke down had to be towed back..106.
Same solo had to be towed again today on 74 🤣🤣🤣 122 was its replacement. I thibk its only at Cannock to have work done so was probably pressed into use
Quote from: Bob on July 22, 2021, 11:11:32 PM
Same solo had to be towed again today on 74 🤣🤣🤣 122 was its replacement. I thibk its only at Cannock to have work done so was probably pressed into use
On my 70 home we took a detor into the depot, seen 106 parked up in the far corner! Just as we left the depot it cut out (presumably because of the heat)! It's always the same driver who diverts into the depot, done it twice now ???
https://buscapade.wordpress.com/2021/07/29/chaseriders-x14-26-7-21/
Latest Mark Fitchew blog covering Chaserider.
Looks like Chaserider are putting their testing facilities at Delta Way to good use!
http://www.chaserider.co.uk/
Testing is offered on ABCD/F categories of vehicles ?
what are these classes of vehicle
Quote from: BusMan Greg on August 06, 2021, 06:50:36 PM
Looks like Chaserider are putting their testing facilities at Delta Way to good use!
http://www.chaserider.co.uk/
The facilities there have always been available to others from the Arriva days
Any danger of them sticking to one route with the Leamore diversion?
Why can't they follow the same diversion as Nx & Diamond, as 9 times out of ten, I need Leamore shops?
Quote from: Westy on August 17, 2021, 06:19:05 PM
Any danger of them sticking to one route with the Leamore diversion?
Why can't they follow the same diversion as Nx & Diamond, as 9 times out of ten, I need Leamore shops?
Well get on a Diamond or NX bus that you know will serve Leamore shops?
Quote from: Tony on August 17, 2021, 06:25:16 PM
Well get on a Diamond or NX bus that you know will serve Leamore shops?
Well, they're obviously not concerned about losing passengers potentially.
Quote from: Westy on August 17, 2021, 06:59:28 PM
Well, they're obviously not concerned about losing passengers potentially.
They have put a service through my Estate for the first time for many years, brilliant you might think, but there's no bus stops, no info, If you go on their website it mentions that it goes along Hemlock Way and Sidon Hill Way, but doesn't say it is hail & ride on that part, so I have no idea how they expect anyone to catch it. I only know about it because when I come out the house in the morning to walk to the station I see an empty solo going past me
Link to timetable
https://www.chaserider.co.uk/assets/ck3_2021-07-12.pdf
Quote from: Westy on August 17, 2021, 06:59:28 PM
Well, they're obviously not concerned about losing passengers potentially.
Every time ive seen the 74 its either leaving empty or with a max of about 3 people on, at various times. Not seen the 1 busy either. Left cannock passengerless earlier
@Tony nx are also guilty of not mentioning hail & ride sections on their timetables
@Westy bus companies are free to set up their own diversionary routes & do not have to follow each other.
Claribels and nx often differ when setting diversions on the 94 & invariably one operator finds a better way than the other & then the diversions end up the same.
Quote from: Steveminor on August 17, 2021, 07:24:28 PM
@Tony nx are also guilty of not mentioning hail & ride sections on their timetables
But they do mention them when they launch a new service. I guarantee you no-one on our estate knows this service runs, Even my wife said to me she had seen a bus on Sidon Hill Way but had no idea what it was doing there.
There has been no mention of the new service on their website, which costs nothing, in fact their website doesn't have any sort of 'news' section
@Tony the 96 changes along Hurlingham & Danesbury really need to identify they are hail & ride as unless you were a 604 passenger youd never know & the 96 needs to attract more than the 604 has ever carried along that stretch of road
Quote from: Steveminor on August 17, 2021, 07:36:02 PM
@Tony the 96 changes along Hurlingham & Danesbury really need to identify they are hail & ride as unless you were a 604 passenger youd never know & the 96 needs to attract more than the 604 has ever carried along that stretch of road
I was wondering after Bucklands End will the next stop be M6 island towards Erdington?
Its some distance isn't it.
Quote from: 2206 on August 17, 2021, 07:40:47 PM
Also after Bucklands End will the next stop be M6 island?
There's still bus stops where the Clock Garage used to be.
EDIT: moved to the correct thread.
Quote from: ellspurs on August 17, 2021, 07:41:55 PM
There's still bus stops where the Clock Garage used to be.
Not on the 96 route towards Erdington no. From Bucklands End it goes left out of Heathland Avenue so next stop is the M6 Island.
The 56 used to go up Heathland Ave as well.
Quote from: Steveminor on August 17, 2021, 07:24:28 PM
@Tony nx are also guilty of not mentioning hail & ride sections on their timetables
@Westy bus companies are free to set up their own diversionary routes & do not have to follow each other.
Claribels and nx often differ when setting diversions on the 94 & invariably one operator finds a better way than the other & then the diversions end up the same.
Out of curiosity, have the 2 of you, Tony especially, seen how TfWM have listed the Bloxwich Road diversion on their disruptions page ?
Some of it doesn't seem to match what it actually does in reality & they've mixed up the 1 & 74 anyway.
I'm sure a few long time Nx Walsall drivers with long memories certainly wouldn't agree with sending a bus down Beddows Road & expect it to come out unscathed!
(I suspect the Wolves 11 has the same problem occasionally, from what I read on Twitter!)
In a few months time, they will drop it due to no one using it. It's a common D&G thing to do. Look at their many various routes in Wilmslow. Don't promote then cut it after little usage. Braindead management who think that they will set up a service and it instantly gets passengers without any ads.
Some timetables changes from September 1st wonder what they are as nothing on the website
Quote from: Solo1 on August 25, 2021, 07:53:37 PM
Some timetables changes from September 1 wonder what they are as nothing on the website
Be surprised if the 1 wasn't affected.
As I've said before, that first journey south to Walsall, I can be the only passenger they pick up some mornings!
Quote from: Westy on August 25, 2021, 09:27:14 PM
Be surprised if the 1 wasn't affected.
As I've said before, that first journey south to Walsall, I can be the only passenger they pick up some mornings!
The lovely SPD dart I saw leave Walsall on the 1 at lunchtime was empty leaving Walsall bus station
Quote from: Westy on August 25, 2021, 09:27:14 PM
Be surprised if the 1 wasn't affected.
As I've said before, that first journey south to Walsall, I can be the only passenger they pick up some mornings!
Just a couple of school services removed, nothing else. No changes to the 1.
Hey, I passed an X14 on the A5 by Weston last Friday around 11am. It was Telford bound. There seemed to be at least 5 people on there.
The front matrix did look a bit weird though, a squashed Shifnal to the left, a large gap before the Telford bit, and then the number on the far right.
Quote from: Cheese on August 26, 2021, 01:01:53 PM
Just a couple of school services removed, nothing else. No changes to the 1.
For now. Cant see it lasting though or the 74 extension or the X14
Quote from: Tony on August 17, 2021, 07:05:39 PM
They have put a service through my Estate for the first time for many years, brilliant you might think, but there's no bus stops, no info, If you go on their website it mentions that it goes along Hemlock Way and Sidon Hill Way, but doesn't say it is hail & ride on that part, so I have no idea how they expect anyone to catch it. I only know about it because when I come out the house in the morning to walk to the station I see an empty solo going past me
Link to timetable
https://www.chaserider.co.uk/assets/ck3_2021-07-12.pdf
@Tony - A 'guest viewer' to the site, that I'm in contact with on Twitter, that knows about this sort of thing, has informed me via private message that a Chaserider manager has contacted Staffs Council & it's being sorted, I've been told.
Which Solo's have the full rear ad (as seen on 148)?
Quote from: BusMan Greg on September 07, 2021, 09:04:01 PM
Which Solo's have the full rear ad (as seen on 148)?
147 rear ad aswell
Quote from: Solo1 on September 08, 2021, 07:28:06 AM
147 rear ad aswell
Now thays what I'm thinking! What sounded liked a Cummins solo sped past my house on the 70 and all I saw of it was the rear add! It was tracking as 180 but 180 was also tracking on the 841/61 duty! Don't shoot the messenger but do you think there's a slim chance that they've fixed 147? I know 148 was on the 1/3's yesterday
180 has an all over rear ad aswell
Quote from: Jamie A on September 08, 2021, 05:59:24 PM
180 has an all over rear ad aswell
That explains what I seen then! It did cross my mind weather 147 was back from the dead
Noticed three or four Midland Classic buses parked up at Delta Way this morning, do they have MOT's done there or would there be another reason.
Quote from: 888DUK on September 09, 2021, 04:42:51 PM
Noticed three or four Midland Classic buses parked up at Delta Way this morning, do they have MOT's done there or would there be another reason.
I believe this has been covered here previously, the depot is also an MOT testing station.
Quote from: Stu on September 09, 2021, 05:49:39 PM
I believe this has been covered here previously, the depot is also an MOT testing station.
Cheers for that
The Delta Way site has been an MOT DP testing facility for many years more recently for PSV & certain HGV vehicles both for Arriva & D&G as operator.
Is there an up to date fleetlist for Chaserider I don't think Tony has updated it since the D & G takeover, I'm noticing many different buses now around to that original list.
Quote from: 888DUK on September 11, 2021, 12:18:45 PM
Is there an up to date fleetlist for Chaserider I don't think Tony has updated it since the D & G takeover, I'm noticing many different buses now around to that original list.
I've attached a PDF of the up to date fleet list, which I've checked against the one on bustimes, and checked through Flickr to see if there's anything missing.
There still could be a few omissions, such as vehicles that have been withdrawn but still owned by Chaserider, but it should have everything that is in active service.
How come they moved an enviro branded for the 2 when they could of sent another red one
Quote from: Solo1 on September 12, 2021, 08:06:47 AM
How come they moved an enviro branded for the 2 when they could of sent another red one
They haven't
re D & G/Chaserider fleet list posted by DJ
Corresponds to the one I have but there have been two additions from last week. 2 more VDL120/Plaxton Centro's numbered 603 and 605, KE06NZX and FJ56BVV have come from Centrebus currently in the old Centrebus livery.
Quote from: John on September 12, 2021, 08:14:02 AM
They haven't
on the fleet list DJ posted got a blue enviro listed
Quote from: DJ on September 12, 2021, 05:26:15 AM
I've attached a PDF of the up to date fleet list, which I've checked against the one on bustimes, and checked through Flickr to see if there's anything missing.
There still could be a few omissions, such as vehicles that have been withdrawn but still owned by Chaserider, but it should have everything that is in active service.
DJ that's brilliant and really appreciated- top man👍
Many thanks to everyone for the replies its really appreciated.
Quote from: Solo1 on September 12, 2021, 12:13:58 PM
on the fleet list DJ posted got a blue enviro listed
Bus times has it tracking in Error. It was a ex Arriva Dart tracking as that E200
Quote from: John on September 12, 2021, 01:02:35 PM
Bus times has it tracking in Error. It was a ex Arriva Dart tracking as that E200
ok thanks
@John though it odd thats why i was asking
Quote from: John on September 12, 2021, 01:02:35 PM
Bus times has it tracking in Error. It was a ex Arriva Dart tracking as that E200
Ah right, my mistake then.
Quote from: Grinder on September 12, 2021, 09:27:16 AM
re D & G/Chaserider fleet list posted by DJ
Corresponds to the one I have but there have been two additions from last week. 2 more VDL120/Plaxton Centro's numbered 603 and 605, KE06NZX and FJ56BVV have come from Centrebus currently in the old Centrebus livery.
Thanks for that, I've attached an updated PDF.
Loadings must be 'great', on service 1, if the driver starts recognising you & greets you!
Not that I'm complaining of course!
Just hope the service continues!
Quote from: Westy on September 14, 2021, 07:04:05 AM
Loadings must be 'great', on service 1, if the driver starts recognising you & greets you!
Not that I'm complaining of course!
Just hope the service continues!
Does it ever get a healthy loading?
Quote from: BusMan Greg on September 14, 2021, 12:26:03 PM
Does it ever get a healthy loading?
Unless someone got on & off before me at Leamore, there was no one on the first bus down from Cannock, then a couple more got on at Hospital St, either contactless or Nbus pass.
To be fair, at least one day a week, there are about 4 before me, when the bus arrives.
Be interested to compare the 1 & 74 loadings, certainly from Bloxwich!
I know when I've caught the 74 back, no one has got off before me at Leamore!
(Obviously because of the 31/32 special fares, which leads me to ask, why bother sending the 74 up & down Bloxwich Road.
If they did do a cutback, make both services hourly to Walsall & both down Somerfield Road & Green Lane, because I really cannot see the point of them going down Bloxwich Road & not picking up!)
Quote from: Westy on September 14, 2021, 01:10:39 PM
If they did do a cutback, make both services hourly to Walsall & both down Somerfield Road & Green Lane, because I really cannot see the point of them going down Bloxwich Road & not picking up!)
Bloxwich Road has greater reliability options than Green Lane. You have the Stafford Street bus lane to run into town and no bus priority on Green Lane. The traffic at peak times is horrendous at the Blue Lane traffic lights, with traffic regularly tailing back to Old Birchills/Hospital Street.
Even if they did re-route via Green Lane, there's little patronage along it - there's less residential patronage between Asda, Somerfield Road and Four Crosses, predominantly industrial between Four Crosses Hospital Street (albeit passing Stephenson Avenue and Reedswood Retail Park), then the 69/70 pick up what's left into Walsall.
For me, Bloxwich Road has a greater chance of picking up stragglers not picked up by NXWM and Diamond.
In my opinion, the 74 is partly sustainable as it holds potential! As for the 1, I cant see that lasting too long.
Last week, I saw the 1 a few times heading down Green Lane into Walsall. Most of the time it was empty. The most I saw on there were 5 people, and that was at around 8.45am by Hospital Street heading into Walsall.
Would it benefit anyone if it diverted into the Reedswood retail park?
Quote from: ellspurs on September 14, 2021, 03:03:23 PM
Last week, I saw the 1 a few times heading down Green Lane into Walsall. Most of the time it was empty. The most I saw on there were 5 people, and that was at around 8.45am by Hospital Street heading into Walsall.
Would it benefit anyone if it diverted into the Reedswood retail park?
would the 1 benefit from diverting via Lower Farm due to Diamond pulling the plug on the 32? Opinions please
Quote from: BusMan Greg on September 14, 2021, 03:09:28 PM
would the 1 benefit from diverting via Lower Farm due to Diamond pulling the plug on the 32? Opinions please
It's only real selling point over the X51 is it is direct
Quote from: Tony on September 14, 2021, 03:31:35 PM
It's only real selling point over the X51 is it is direct
USP or not, it clearly isn't working and limited success for Arriva. Only Chase have managed to match the popularity of NXWM on this corridor.
I'm really not sure why Chaserider have persisted with such sparse loads?!
Quote from: ellspurs on September 14, 2021, 03:03:23 PM
Last week, I saw the 1 a few times heading down Green Lane into Walsall. Most of the time it was empty. The most I saw on there were 5 people, and that was at around 8.45am by Hospital Street heading into Walsall.
Would it benefit anyone if it diverted into the Reedswood retail park?
If they started a Saturday service, they could run the 'normal ' 1 at peaks & 1a via Beechdale & Reedswood off peak & Saturday.
Quote from: BusMan Greg on September 14, 2021, 02:53:25 PM
In my opinion, the 74 is partly sustainable as it holds potential! As for the 1, I cant see that lasting too long.
Are Chaserider actively seeking traffic between Bloxwich & Walsall?
Not while you have the special fares from Nx & Diamond on the 31 & 32!
As I've said before, due to most people catching the 31 & 32, I prefer the 1, 74 & X51, at least I can get a seat.
Quote from: Tony on September 14, 2021, 03:31:35 PM
It's only real selling point over the X51 is it is direct
But do people really need a direct bus to Walsall? Surely the train would be the best option?
Quote from: BusMan Greg on September 14, 2021, 07:14:51 PM
But do people really need a direct bus to Walsall? Surely the train would be the best option?
So you want some people to have a half hour walk to a train station instead of a bus at the end of the street?
Quote from: Tony on September 14, 2021, 03:31:35 PM
It's only real selling point over the X51 is it is direct
I dont know Tony, you get to travel on a rancid Solo
Quote from: Bob on September 14, 2021, 08:12:20 PM
I dont know Tony, you get to travel on a rancid Solo
To be fair, you get a Streetlite & one of those 2 door things occasionally.!
Quote from: Tony on September 14, 2021, 07:16:39 PM
So you want some people to have a half hour walk to a train station instead of a bus at the end of the street?
Are you getting issues with the Chase Line, like the Snow Hill lines, as mentioned elsewhere.
You need a reliable alternative.
Quote from: Westy on September 14, 2021, 06:06:05 PM
If they started a Saturday service, they could run the 'normal ' 1 at peaks & 1a via Beechdale & Reedswood off peak & Saturday.
Its not even used much in the peaks lol
Quote from: Bob on September 14, 2021, 08:12:20 PM
I dont know Tony, you get to travel on a rancid Solo
I don't think the vehicles used are the issue here. Arriva had some lovely branded streetlites when they ran the route and it still struggled then.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 14, 2021, 10:28:24 PM
I don't think the vehicles used are the issue here. Arriva had some lovely branded streetlites when they ran the route and it still struggled then.
And the X51 didn't run then either
Quote from: Tony on September 14, 2021, 10:32:09 PM
And the X51 didn't run then either
And whqt was Arriva's reaction to the X51? "I know, lets get rid of the Sapphire buses and frequently run the worst tat weve got on it theyll desert NX in droves" 🤣
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 14, 2021, 10:28:24 PM
I don't think the vehicles used are the issue here. Arriva had some lovely branded streetlites when they ran the route and it still struggled then.
They were far from lovely they were noisy, jerky , uncomfortable and the adverised power sockets never worked.
I saw a Pye Green circular bus (think it was the 26) happily trundling up the A5 towards Gailey yesterday. It had an all-over advert on it, but I don't think it was the one that's on the latest photos on site. I thought it may have been an X14 that had the wrong service number on it, but one of them was 5 minutes behind. Pretty off route?
Quote from: ellspurs on September 18, 2021, 11:04:46 AM
I saw a Pye Green circular bus (think it was the 26) happily trundling up the A5 towards Gailey yesterday. It had an all-over advert on it, but I don't think it was the one that's on the latest photos on site. I thought it may have been an X14 that had the wrong service number on it, but one of them was 5 minutes behind. Pretty off route?
Any idea what type of bus it was?
Quote from: BusMan Greg on September 18, 2021, 06:05:56 PM
Any idea what type of bus it was?
No idea, I didn't look at the body type, as the sight of (a) a 25 on the A5 up there confused me and (b) I didn't realise that Chaserider had full-body ads on their buses.
Pouring through bustimes and the time of day it was, I think it was MX62 ARF as it shows as being changed over at the time I would've been passing the area. I don't see an up-to-date picture of it to double check though, will have to see if I spot it the next time I'm in the area.
Quote from: ellspurs on September 18, 2021, 06:36:43 PM
I didn't realise that Chaserider had full-body ads on their buses.
I haven't checked the tracking, but it could've been 179, since that's now in a full body advert livery for a local radio.
Quote from: DJ on September 18, 2021, 10:46:42 PM
I haven't checked the tracking, but it could've been 179, since that's now in a full body advert livery for a local radio.
I was thinking that I saw a Solo, and it weren't tracking between 9 and 12 on Friday so it could well have been that one. Tony literally took a picture of it on the same day. I just thought I saw more yellow in the livery.
Hope Chaserider will send someone down to Walsall Travelshop, to collect their remaining timetables on display before it shuts.
What a waste of paper, if Nx chuck them in the bin, especially as they're all still completley valid!
Looks like D&G (Presumably Chaserider) will be operating a workers shuttle to Alton Towers! The service/services will be serving the following areas: Cannock; Burntwood; Hednesford; Rugeley; Great Haywood; Hixon; Uttoxeter; and Denstone.
I'm trying to hunt down a timetable but no such luck as of yet
Quote from: Westy on September 19, 2021, 02:37:27 PM
Hope Chaserider will send someone down to Walsall Travelshop, to collect their remaining timetables on display before it shuts.
What a waste of paper, if Nx chuck them in the bin, especially as they're all still completley valid!
You could send them a quick message / tweet instead of posting on here ?
Quote from: BusMan Greg on September 19, 2021, 03:25:36 PM
Looks like D&G (Presumably Chaserider) will be operating a workers shuttle to Alton Towers! The service/services will be serving the following areas: Cannock; Burntwood; Hednesford; Rugeley; Great Haywood; Hixon; Uttoxeter; and Denstone.
I'm trying to hunt down a timetable but no such luck as of yet
They have been running a registered Alton Towers works service from Leek ever since Tussaud's stopped operating their own transport without publishing a timetable, so why should this be different?
Quote from: metrocity on September 19, 2021, 03:35:08 PM
You could send them a quick message / tweet instead of posting on here ?
I suppose I could do.
It's a works service for staff so not sure if u Will find a time table
Quote from: DJ on September 18, 2021, 10:46:42 PM
I haven't checked the tracking, but it could've been 179, since that's now in a full body advert livery for a local radio.
Do they use an advertising agency for their all over ads?
Quote from: Wumpty on September 20, 2021, 10:04:35 AM
Do they use an advertising agency for their all over ads?
https://www.adverta.co.uk/bus-advertising-coverage/
Quote from: Solo1 on September 19, 2021, 09:20:53 PM
It's a works service for staff so not sure if u Will find a time table
There has been timetables available for the Alton Towers works service before. How would Alton Towers staff know when the bus is, if there isn't a timetable available?
Quote from: Pat on September 20, 2021, 01:14:11 PM
There has been timetables available for the Alton Towers works service before. How would Alton Towers staff know when the bus is, if there isn't a timetable available?
I presume one would be available in private for the workers.
Seen in Pye Green on the 25 circular service was Centrebus 309 an Optare Solo M850 in the old Centrebus livery but with Chaserider fleetnames. By my reckoning that makes 4 Centresbus liveried loans (?) or transfers (?) with 603, 605 and 606 the VDL SB120/Plaxton Centros.
Quote from: Grinder on October 05, 2021, 04:34:14 PM
Seen in Pye Green on the 25 circular service was Centrebus 309 an Optare Solo M850 in the old Centrebus livery but with Chaserider fleetnames. By my reckoning that makes 4 Centresbus liveried loans (?) or transfers (?) with 603, 605 and 606 the VDL SB120/Plaxton Centros.
603 is apparently on the 841 tonight according to bustimes.org
Quote from: BusMan Greg on October 06, 2021, 06:47:53 PM
603 is apparently on the 841 tonight according to bustimes.org
Noted 603 in service in Stafford this morning
Chaserider really need to up their gane.buses missing, last week the 3 from brownhills today the 16.40 no1 from walsall just hasnt run at all, on the way in i was the only passenger for the whole length of the trip. The rear axle came off a volvo on heath hayes high st last week leaving the back end of the bus stuck on the pavement!
16.53 No1 Cannock to Walsall doesnt look like its running either!
Driver shortage, a lot of operators suffering
Well then maybe they should adjust timetables and not just miss journeys? There was over an hour gap in service on 74s too. Coupled with the reliability issues they have with their buses. About 5 solos are off the road , 1 of the two commanders remaining has been VOR for a month since it got towed in and two of the streetlites have been out of use since july and sept !
Or maybe they could at least respond on their social media to passengers.....
The 62 is running 2 hourly today!!!!
Quote from: Bob on October 26, 2021, 09:31:26 PM
Or maybe they could at least respond on their social media to passengers.....
Last post on social media around 5 days ago!
They seem to like plugging the whereabouts of the Cannock Chase Fm Solo!
Wonder what the listening figures are like?
I did notice one morning last week, when it was on the 1, the driver had brought a little radio along & had tuned it to Heart!
Quote from: Westy on October 27, 2021, 01:26:43 PM
Last post on social media around 5 days ago!
They seem to like plugging the whereabouts of the Cannock Chase Fm Solo!
Wonder what the listening figures are like?
I did notice one morning last week, when it was on the 1, the driver had brought a little radio along & had tuned it to Heart!
Cannock Chase Radio FM's listening figures aren't monitored like commercial stations like Greatest Hits Radio or Heart etc. They're a community radio station like WCR FM - the promotion on social media of 179 is part of the agreement to promote the vehicle.
Must admit I'm not a huge fan of 179's overall wrap as the Solos are predominantly glass with little body front and sides to use for advertising - contravision is hugely expensive, hence why they've gone body only. The rear is much more advert-friendly and works better.
Quote from: Wumpty on October 27, 2021, 02:39:28 PM
Cannock Chase Radio FM's listening figures aren't monitored like commercial stations like Greatest Hits Radio or Heart etc. They're a community radio station like WCR FM - the promotion on social media of 179 is part of the agreement to promote the vehicle.
Must admit I'm not a huge fan of 179's overall wrap as the Solos are predominantly glass with little body front and sides to use for advertising - contravision is hugely expensive, hence why they've gone body only. The rear is much more advert-friendly and works better.
To be honest, I struggle to get it south of Bloxwich!
Quote from: Westy on October 27, 2021, 02:54:41 PM
To be honest, I struggle to get it south of Bloxwich!
They're designed to be low powered directional transmitters - they are *supposed* to transmit sufficient power in the direction of their transmission service area (TSA), hence why you'll struggle to get it in Bloxwich as it's not part of their TSA.
I'm assuming you're trying 89.6FM for Cannock & The Chase? You might just get 94.0FM on the Trent Valley feed or the more recent 89.8FM relay for Lichfield. Tune In app carries the 89.6FM feed.
Quote from: Wumpty on October 27, 2021, 03:05:33 PM
They're designed to be low powered directional transmitters - they are *supposed* to transmit sufficient power in the direction of their transmission service area (TSA), hence why you'll struggle to get it in Bloxwich as it's not part of their TSA.
I'm assuming you're trying 89.6FM for Cannock & The Chase? You might just get 94.0FM on the Trent Valley feed or the more recent 89.8FM relay for Lichfield. Tune In app carries the 89.6FM feed.
To be honest, when I brought this up elsewhere, I was advised 94.0.
Quote from: Wumpty on October 27, 2021, 03:05:33 PM
They're designed to be low powered directional transmitters - they are *supposed* to transmit sufficient power in the direction of their transmission service area (TSA), hence why you'll struggle to get it in Bloxwich as it's not part of their TSA.
When i saw the first sentence i thought you were referring to cannocks Solos 🤣
I'm assuming you're trying 89.6FM for Cannock & The Chase? You might just get 94.0FM on the Trent Valley feed or the more recent 89.8FM relay for Lichfield. Tune In app carries the 89.6FM feed.
Quote from: Westy on October 27, 2021, 01:26:43 PM
Last post on social media around 5 days ago!
They seem to like plugging the whereabouts of the Cannock Chase Fm Solo!
Wonder what the listening figures are like?
I did notice one morning last week, when it was on the 1, the driver had brought a little radio along & had tuned it to Heart!
Appeared to be 1 of god knows how many vehicles parked up without a driver.... Btw your not missing much, Cannock chase radio isn't that good.... Certainly not wear the am all over wrapped bus if you ask me
Quote from: Jamie A on October 27, 2021, 06:52:23 PM
Appeared to be 1 of god knows how many vehicles parked up without a driver.... Btw your not missing much, Cannock chase radio isn't that good.... Certainly not wear the am all over wrapped bus if you ask me
Plus some broken down ones lol, including the MCV that was sent to replace a broke down bus then broke down 🤣🤣🤣🤣
There was a gap of 90 mins between 13.57 and 15.27 on the 3 in Brownhills today and a busy afternoon 74 didnt run from stafford
Big gaps on the 1 too and then 16.10 never ran again from Walsall. Seriously how do they expect to attract custom? I wonder how many Cannock to Walsall trips on the X51 have been cancelled or simply not turned up in comparison with the Chaserider embarrassment?
Quote from: Bob on October 28, 2021, 02:15:42 AM
Big gaps on the 1 too and then 16.10 never ran again from Walsall. Seriously how do they expect to attract custom? I wonder how many Cannock to Walsall trips on the X51 have been cancelled or simply not turned up in comparison with the Chaserider embarrassment?
The driver shortage in the industry is very challenging - hard to do much about some of it but customer info would be good if journeys are missing.
Quote from: WilliamLeylandNational on October 28, 2021, 08:26:14 AM
The driver shortage in the industry is very challenging - hard to do much about some of it but customer info would be good if journeys are missing.
Driver shortages are greatly amplified when it's a smaller business with less frequent services to half-cover any gaps.
Very true, also in the West Midlands we have a lot of turn up & go high frequency routes so when a bus is missing it is hardly the problem as when an half hourly service misses.
Quote from: Wumpty on October 28, 2021, 08:52:43 AM
Driver shortages are greatly amplified when it's a smaller business with less frequent services to half-cover any gaps.
Agreed, add to this ongoing reliability issues with the vehicles and its a bad situation. I bet they rue the day they bought so many knackered Solos
Quote from: Bob on October 28, 2021, 11:05:10 AM
Agreed, add to this ongoing reliability issues with the vehicles and its a bad situation. I bet they rue the day they bought so many knackered Solos
Weren't they the ones that came from Arriva?
Quote from: ellspurs on October 28, 2021, 03:13:14 PM
Weren't they the ones that came from Arriva?
Yep and theyre own ones are as bad 104/106 are unreliable and an 08 plate one caught fire in june and npt been seen since. 167 broke down at the designer outlet on the 3 earlier, meaning missing trips on that and the 1
I think 176 also broke down on the 1/3
Looks like the 2 SLF darts have been withdrawn
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 28, 2021, 05:59:03 PM
Looks like the 2 SLF darts have been withdrawn
17 was out today on service 74
At least one of the drivers doesn't seem to know his way out of Walsall as the 1123 1 exited via Wolverhampton Street & Blue Lane West instead.
On another issue, noticing Nx Walsall Travelshop has now cleared its shelves, I do hope Chaserider sent someone down to retrieve the remaining Cannock area timetables that are still valid.
First number 1 failed to show, so a quick race to Bloxwich Road for one of those!
(No half 3 finish today for me.
Thanks Chaserider!)
Gap between 12.23 and 13.53 Walsall to Cannock and the last one out of Cannock hasnt gone so there wont be a last one from Walsall. Shockingly c**p service. I cant see it lasting much longer.
Theres also 9 vehicles VOR at the moment plus two broken down Solos today 🤣🤣🤣
Quote from: Bob on November 02, 2021, 06:15:52 PM
Theres also 9 vehicles VOR at the moment plus two broken down Solos today 🤣🤣🤣
9 vehicles VoR is not exceptional in a garage that size.
NXWM Pensnett has 10 as I type, although yesterday they managed to not lose a single mile through engineering as they didn't have a single breakdown or change bus required all day which is quite an achievement with 91 buses on the road
Cannocks only got about 51 buses so its nearly a fifth of the fleet. Add on the two breakdowns today at it is a fifth. I cant see people sticking with the 1 given its level of unreliability.
NX would wipe the floor with Chaserider if they ran the 1
Quote from: Bob on November 02, 2021, 07:04:23 PM
NX would wipe the floor with Chaserider if they ran the 1
Unfortunately with not enough drivers any company would struggle at the moment including NX
Quote from: Tony on November 02, 2021, 07:17:01 PM
Unfortunately with not enough drivers any company would struggle at the moment including NX
True, and factor in that most of the vehicles used on the 1 are pretty decrepit minibuses, with the resultant reliability issues and youve got a perfect storm. 90 mins is pretty bad for a gap in service plus the first and last journeys not even running
But would Nx consider the 1 anyway, without the Covid complication, seeing they already run the X51?
I'm probably resigned to losing the bus down my road again, but why don't they just concentrate on the one route, more likely the 74, while this situation continues, perhaps sticking an earlier journey in for the Cheslyn Hay passengers?
Under Arriva the spare vehicles were reduced to 11% across the board
On Cannocks PVR the allocation were 6 so 9 plus dead is very high
I can't recall ever having a day of no engineering lost miles, thought things would
improve under a private operator !
Quote from: Westy on November 02, 2021, 07:39:22 PM
But would Nx consider the 1 anyway, without the Covid complication, seeing they already run the X51?
I'm probably resigned to losing the bus down my road again, but why don't they just concentrate on the one route, more likely the 74, while this situation continues, perhaps sticking an earlier journey in for the Cheslyn Hay passengers?
The 74 hardly ever has anyone on it. The only busy stretch is Cannock to Stafford
The first number 1 turned up this morning, for anyone keeping score!
Solo 178 back out and painted into the black 'radio' livery, similar to 179
Quote from: BusMan Greg on November 03, 2021, 06:28:51 PM
Solo 178 back out and painted into the black 'radio' livery, similar to 179
Must admit the number 1 I saw was a Cannock Chase bus, but didn't check the number!
Quote from: BusMan Greg on November 03, 2021, 06:28:51 PM
Solo 178 back out and painted into the black 'radio' livery, similar to 179
It'll get a lot of sightings via Coach Aid 😜
Little to no changes since June. It's all gone quiet lol
Chaserider have reduced the frequency of the 3 from every 30 mins to every hour from the 15th of this month.
Quote from: BusMan Greg on November 06, 2021, 08:19:20 PM
Chaserider have reduced the frequency of the 3 from every 30 mins to every hour from the 15th of this month.
That should impact the 1 as well, if it still interworks?
Quote from: BusMan Greg on November 06, 2021, 08:19:20 PM
Chaserider have reduced the frequency of the 3 from every 30 mins to every hour from the 15th of this month.
That'll attract custom
Wait till they stqrt missing journeys on an hourly service 🤣🤣🤣
Heard whispers that the 1, the 61, and the X14 arent long for this world....
Quote from: Bob on November 06, 2021, 09:08:49 PM
Heard whispers that the 1, the 61, and the X14 arent long for this world....
Based on the loadings I've seen/been on, wouldn't be surprised for the 1!
Quote from: Westy on November 06, 2021, 09:13:54 PM
Based on the loadings I've seen/been on, wouldn't be surprised for the 1!
Well yano when first and last trips arent running and theres 90 min gaps in service in the middle of the day its not gonna inspire customer loyalty lol
Quote from: Bob on November 06, 2021, 10:10:10 PM
Well yano when first and last trips arent running and theres 90 min gaps in service in the middle of the day its not gonna inspire customer loyalty lol
Well, as I don't live on the Stafford Road in Bloxwich, it will be pointless talking to Eddie Hughes about it!
Quote from: Bob on November 06, 2021, 09:08:49 PM
Heard whispers that the 1, the 61, and the X14 arent long for this world....
The 61 wouldn't work even if they extended it to Cannock like Arriva did.
Quote from: Westy on November 07, 2021, 07:19:27 PM
It'll be interesting to see where the X51 changes fit into this.
I think the X51 has some timetable changes thats it
At this rate it'd seem like NX would need to introduce another service to accommodate any more changes. But, given the current climate, I very much doubt that'll be happening unless Staffs council pony up some money and staff.
Like I've said, we are assuming there are changes even though nothings been published on the website other than the timetable change on the 3
I'd like to think the 1 would drop down to hourly, to match the 3 & it's interworking, but let's see what happens!
Doesn't look like things are looking good for Cannock!
They're not going to flog it already are they?
Quote from: Bob on November 08, 2021, 05:45:32 PM
Doesn't look like things are looking good for Cannock!
I hope they do something with the 70/71, maybe a couple of later trips! It wouldn't surprise me if they cut the 62 back again to turn around at Sankeys corner.
Quote from: BusMan Greg on November 08, 2021, 06:09:19 PM
I hope they do something with the 70/71, maybe a couple of later trips! It wouldn't surprise me if they cut the 62 back again to turn around at Sankeys corner.
Theyve wrecked the 71 its an unreliable mess now
Quote from: Bob on November 08, 2021, 07:03:29 PM
Theyve wrecked the 71 its an unreliable mess now
I haven't been on the 70 for a few months now so I can't comment on the reliablility aspect of things. Back in July, I was waiting for the first Cannock bound 70 and it popped up on the tracker as bus 176 about 20 mins before it was due in Featherstone sitting at Delta Way (the first trip starts at Featherstone). It then disapeared! Then about 10 mins after it should have came number 1 popped up on the tracker at Delta Way. In the end, the bus was 20 mins late picking me up! Driver was only about 5 - 10 mins late getting into Cannock so it wasn't that bad in the end. These things happen at every bus company though so it would be unfair to say it's just a D&G thing...
True. Select did run the 71 much better though
Quote from: BusMan Greg on November 08, 2021, 06:09:19 PM
maybe a couple of later trips!
Quote from: BusMan Greg on November 08, 2021, 07:11:39 PM
I haven't been on the 70 for a few months now
So to clarify would you actually use these later trips you are asking for. If people don't use the service, then they are obviously going to be cut back etc. They're not going to run them for the sake of it, i'm sure.
Quote from: 2206 on November 08, 2021, 09:40:02 PM
So to clarify would you actually use these later trips you are asking for. If people don't use the service, then they are obviously going to be cut back etc. They're not going to run them for the sake of it, i'm sure.
I would indeed! That's the only reason why I haven't used the 70 for the past few months.
Quote from: BusMan Greg on November 09, 2021, 06:46:03 AM
I would indeed! That's the only reason why I haven't used the 70 for the past few months.
I'd imagine it more likely there would be cuts than later trips. They had to be funded before so i cant imagine them being run commercially 🤣
I was the only one on the first 1 south again this morning!
Quote from: Westy on November 09, 2021, 07:01:35 AM
I was the only one on the first 1 south again this morning!
Wonder if theyre even covering the diesel? Lol
If it the same management now that we're with Arriva.
Under CBSSG all costs were underwritten by the government.
BRG requires a certain percentage to be made up through commercial revenue.
Jokers.....the 71 pulls in, it should leave cannock 17.50....changes to "not in service" parks up the other side of the bus stn with engine running while the pye green driver pops over for a natter! Last bus of the day too!
Quote from: Bob on November 09, 2021, 05:54:02 PM
Jokers.....the 71 pulls in, it should leave cannock 17.50....changes to "not in service" parks up the other side of the bus stn with engine running while the pye green driver pops over for a natter! Last bus of the day too!
Bus 24 by any chance? E200
Quote from: BusMan Greg on November 09, 2021, 06:46:26 PM
Bus 24 by any chance? E200
Yea it skipped Huntington and eventually came round to the 71 stand several mins late
Quote from: Bob on November 09, 2021, 07:02:48 AM
Wonder if theyre even covering the diesel? Lol
2 today, including me!
Quote from: Westy on November 10, 2021, 10:09:43 AM
2 today, including me!
Today, one already on bus, then me, then someone got on at Hospital Street, beating the 70/70a by a few minutes!
Meanwhile the first X51 would have 4 times as many as that when it hit Walsall lol
Has there been much comment from Cheslyn Hay passengers about lack of bus to Walsall until after 8am?
Seen the 1 go ojt of cannock totally empty about 10.45, X51 came in and was pretty busy id say about 20 on board. They should route brand it "The dead 1' 😜
Abdolute joke of a bus company. 16.14 71 to cannock fron kmlongford complete no show yet tracking as if its in cannock....
Today's N&P has an application for a seperate 0-licence in the name of Chaserider.
So basically it's not going to be on the same license as D&G anymore?
Would it sound bad to say it looked like they were preparing to let go of them easier, or just a way of keeping things more accountable between the different brands?
Doesnt look like theyve had a good day today, streetlite broke down first thing on 74, solo on pye greens, a dart broke on the 70, and the e200 that replaced the broken down streetlite on the 74 looks like it broke down early afternoon. And the X14 broke down Cannock bound on Gailey island.
And delays of up to 1.5hrs / long gaps in service on 826/828 due to what looks like roadworks between Brereton and Rugeley. Not a good day!
Quote from: Express Sprinter 158 on November 16, 2021, 06:36:39 PM
And delays of up to 1.5hrs / long gaps in service on 826/828 due to what looks like roadworks between Brereton and Rugeley. Not a good day!
Think a Volvo broke down on 828 too
Despite the 3s timetable change, no registration has been made for the route since June/July 🤔
Quote from: Bob on November 16, 2021, 05:37:54 PM
Doesnt look like theyve had a good day today, streetlite broke down first thing on 74, solo on pye greens, a dart broke on the 70, and the e200 that replaced the broken down streetlite on the 74 looks like it broke down early afternoon. And the X14 broke down Cannock bound on Gailey island.
65 was the broken down Streelite on the x14 , recovery was in progress when I passed the spread eagle at 1845 .
Quote from: tphi12000 on November 16, 2021, 10:37:54 PM
65 was the broken down Streelite on the x14 , recovery was in progress when I passed the spread eagle at 1845 .
Wonder how long passengers had to wait, if there were any
Think Chaserider will have to reinforce their branding, as a letter in tonight's Express & Star, a writer refers to the 60 as still being operated by Arriva!
Presumably the writer seems to be seeing buses mainly in Arriva & not noticing the red Chaserider stickers!
Gap btwn 14.53 and 16.10 on the 1 in Walsall today, one of the later ones either 17.10 or 17.40 didnt run at all either. Rubbish!
TWO HOUR gap in service between Brownhills and Cannock between 12.57 and 14.57. They cant even manage an hourly service!
Walk then.
Yea Im sure that would go down well with passengers and attract customers eh?
Does anybody on here really care about them apart from the two regular whingers
Remember there's an industry shortage of drivers so journeys may be cancelled at short notice
Quote from: the trainbasher on November 18, 2021, 10:03:36 AM
Remember there's an industry shortage of drivers so journeys may be cancelled at short notice
True but thats not so bad on more frequent routes but when its an hourly one its crap. It was due to one of the many breakdowns that day i think
You seem to complain about a lot of different services. Are you just an armchair spotter poring over bustimes.org? Someone with the same name (coincidence?) was recently banned from a certain Facebook group for a continuous stream of negativity. Didn't your mother teach you that if you can't say anything nice then you shouldn't say anything at all!!
In other news, there are a further two Metrocities from APH at Cannock but not yet in use.
Quote from: ContainsNuts on November 18, 2021, 07:00:35 PM
You seem to complain about a lot of different services. Are you just an armchair spotter poring over bustimes.org? Someone with the same name (coincidence?) was recently banned from a certain Facebook group for a continuous stream of negativity. Didn't your mother teach you that if you can't say anything nice then you shouldn't say anything at all!!
In other news, there are a further two Metrocities from APH at Cannock but not yet in use.
Thought it was only the one metrocity?
Quote from: ContainsNuts on November 18, 2021, 07:00:35 PM
You seem to complain about a lot of different services. Are you just an armchair spotter poring over bustimes.org? Someone with the same name (coincidence?) was recently banned from a certain Facebook group for a continuous stream of negativity. Didn't your mother teach you that if you can't say anything nice then you shouldn't say anything at all!!
In other news, there are a further two Metrocities from APH at Cannock but not yet in use.
No someone with experience of how poor the service is
Quote from: Bob on November 18, 2021, 08:05:46 PM
No someone with experience of how poor the service is
Either way, it gets a bit tiresome as all you seem to live for is to post your daily gripes all over the internet and I doubt many people really want to hear it.
Quote from: Bob on November 18, 2021, 08:05:46 PM
No someone with experience of how poor the service is
What do you suggest they do then to improve the service?
Quote from: Stu on November 18, 2021, 08:33:35 PM
What do you suggest they do then to improve the service?
Good question, and bear in mind money is tight so lots of replacement vehicles is not an option, plus there's a national shortage of professional drivers which is affecting almost every bus operator in the area.
Quote from: ContainsNuts on November 18, 2021, 08:44:16 PM
Good question, and bear in mind money is tight so lots of replacement vehicles is not an option, plus there's a national shortage of professional drivers which is affecting almost every bus operator in the area.
Maybe maintain what theyve got properly so theyre not breaking down daily. 104/106/162 amongst several others werent capable of doing a day without breaking down. Maybe dont use 13 year old absolutely knackered Solos on interurban work that theyre clearly not up to, use them on pye greens instead
Quote from: Bob on November 18, 2021, 09:02:05 PM
Maybe maintain what theyve got properly so theyre not breaking down daily. 104/106/162 amongst several others werent capable of doing a day without breaking down. Maybe dont use 13 year old absolutely knackered Solos on interurban work that theyre clearly not up to, use them on pye greens instead
So, and factoring in the money is tight across the industry at present so replacing buses isn't really an option, What buses would you recommend for interurban work?
Buses in general only really use a handful of engine / gearbox combinations. A Solo underneath is not much different to a Versa or Enviro, but the Solo has the advantage of weighing less. Arriva Shrewsbury run a depot of Mercedes engined Versas on interurban services and these have the same engine as are fitted to most Solos. The argument that 'Solos are no good' doesn't really stack up as they seem to manage in many places without issues, and they have been exported all over the world.
The issues with certain buses at Chaserider is likely to be a difficult one to resolve. Buses are basically large computers these days and diagnosing a fault can sometimes take a very long time. Don't forget that Chaserider only came into existence 10 months ago which, in the grand scheme of things, is not very long at all. 13 years old for a bus, by current standards across the country, is far from unacceptable.
I'd be interested to know what qualifies you to make judgements as you do. Maybe you should contact Chaserider and offer your services as I'm sure they would benefit from someone as knowledgable as you working for them to help them turn the corner and get past these issues! I assume, given your in-depth knowledge of how to run a bus company, that you would be suitably qualified for the role?
Quote from: ContainsNuts on November 18, 2021, 09:30:50 PM
So, and factoring in the money is tight across the industry at present so replacing buses isn't really an option, What buses would you recommend for interurban work?
Buses in general only really use a handful of engine / gearbox combinations. A Solo underneath is not much different to a Versa or Enviro, but the Solo has the advantage of weighing less. Arriva Shrewsbury run a depot of Mercedes engined Versas on interurban services and these have the same engine as are fitted to most Solos. The argument that 'Solos are no good' doesn't really stack up as they seem to manage in many places without issues, and they have been exported all over the world.
The issues with certain buses at Chaserider is likely to be a difficult one to resolve. Buses are basically large computers these days and diagnosing a fault can sometimes take a very long time. Don't forget that Chaserider only came into existence 10 months ago which, in the grand scheme of things, is not very long at all. 13 years old for a bus, by current standards across the country, is far from unacceptable.
I'd be interested to know what qualifies you to make judgements as you do. Maybe you should contact Chaserider and offer your services as I'm sure they would benefit from someone as knowledgable as you working for them to help them turn the corner and get past these issues! I assume, given your in-depth knowledge of how to run a bus company, that you would be suitably qualified for the role?
I think Bob was referring more to the capacity of the Solomon services such as the 74 which can have busy loading a in favour of high capacity Volvo running around empty on Pye greens
Quote from: ContainsNuts on November 18, 2021, 09:30:50 PM
So, and factoring in the money is tight across the industry at present so replacing buses isn't really an option, What buses would you recommend for interurban work?
Buses in general only really use a handful of engine / gearbox combinations. A Solo underneath is not much different to a Versa or Enviro, but the Solo has the advantage of weighing less. Arriva Shrewsbury run a depot of Mercedes engined Versas on interurban services and these have the same engine as are fitted to most Solos. The argument that 'Solos are no good' doesn't really stack up as they seem to manage in many places without issues, and they have been exported all over the world.
The issues with certain buses at Chaserider is likely to be a difficult one to resolve. Buses are basically large computers these days and diagnosing a fault can sometimes take a very long time. Don't forget that Chaserider only came into existence 10 months ago which, in the grand scheme of things, is not very long at all. 13 years old for a bus, by current standards across the country, is far from unacceptable.
I'd be interested to know what qualifies you to make judgements as you do. Maybe you should contact Chaserider and offer your services as I'm sure they would benefit from someone as knowledgable as you working for them to help them turn the corner and get past these issues! I assume, given your in-depth knowledge of how to run a bus company, that you would be suitably qualified for the role?
As you seem a new poster and the content of your posts can I ask if you have a connection with Chaserider at all?
Quote from: 888DUK on November 18, 2021, 11:03:03 PM
As you seem a new poster and the content of your posts can I ask if you have a connection with Chaserider at all?
I have a connection with the bus industry, and I do find the relentless criticism of this operator by this individual particularly annoying. It's a very difficult time at present and I don't think a constant monologue of missing trips and breakdowns is helpful. And I doubt very much that it's the reason why people visit forums such as this.
Quote from: ContainsNuts on November 19, 2021, 04:40:10 AM
I have a connection with the bus industry, and I do find the relentless criticism of this operator by this individual particularly annoying. It's a very difficult time at present and I don't think a constant monologue of missing trips and breakdowns is helpful. And I doubt very much that it's the reason why people visit forums such as this.
Scroll past then if you prefer. Thats what i did to your monologue in the main..... I wondered if you were on commission for them? 13 year old Solos, that have never even had a seat retrim and are in a pretty dire state arent suited to interurban routes cos they dont have much capacity and the examples at Cannock are suffering horrendous reliability problems. So yes theres a driver shortage but it probably wouldnt matter at Cannock cos the bus theyre short of a driver for would probably be broken down anyway. And it IS a poir service. Theyve completely wrecked the 71 since taking it over. Countless times it hasnt turned up/ran at all/broke down/missed our estate out with no warning etc and people rely on it for hospital appts, but cant cos its so poor reliability wise. Select operated it through pandemic and didnt seem to have the reliability issues? They run the 875 Cannock to Stafford without reliability issues that the Chaserider 74 has.....And local passengers dont think much of Chaserider either judging by social media posts.
Quote from: Bob on November 19, 2021, 06:56:41 AM
Scroll past then if you prefer. Thats what i did to your monologue in the main..... I wondered if you were on commission for them? 13 year old Solos, that have never even had a seat retrim and are in a pretty dire state arent suited to interurban routes cos they dont have much capacity and the examples at Cannock are suffering horrendous reliability problems. So yes theres a driver shortage but it probably wouldnt matter at Cannock cos the bus theyre short of a driver for would probably be broken down anyway. And it IS a poir service. Theyve completely wrecked the 71 since taking it over. Countless times it hasnt turned up/ran at all/broke down/missed our estate out with no warning etc and people rely on it for hospital appts, but cant cos its so poor reliability wise. Select operated it through pandemic and didnt seem to have the reliability issues? They run the 875 Cannock to Stafford without reliability issues that the Chaserider 74 has.....And local passengers dont think much of Chaserider either judging by social media posts.
I shan't comment that n this any further as I'm quite obviously up against an expert who is so judgemental they are not willing to listen to reason. Quite sad really.
Judgemental ? Its based on experience of using them regularly. Providing a poor, unreliable service isnt really the best way to do business surely?
Quote from: ContainsNuts on November 19, 2021, 07:34:06 AM
I shan't comment that n this any further as I'm quite obviously up against an expert who is so judgemental they are not willing to listen to reason. Quite sad really.
A bit of advice for you my friend,
A number of us have already taken your position and tried to reason with Bob and Discodave (anyone remember him?!) in the past. In the end we've all given up and learnt to ignore him.
Maybe look at their facebook page, at the community section and look at passengers experiences.
I've read all of the comments posted here intently and offer my opinion (for what it is worth):
Chaserider assumed operation of the former Arriva Cannock area network in good faith. They are attempting to offer a service to maintain a transport link in South Staffordshire. Unfortunately, with national driver shortages and breakdowns, it is proving challenging and frustrating all round.
There are some that are quick to judge without stopping to think about what would happen if Chaserider decided to crease operation, as did Arriva - the same protestations about leaving them in the lurch/no buses for Cannock/social media uproar in being stranded.
I've worked in the bus industry and to get a fledgling operation off the ground under extremely challenging times, a cut throat market using a fleet of buses which are highly sophisticated machines is no easy feat. They are doing the very best they can with limited resources in a an area that is mostly rural competing for patronage against cars, trains and other bus companies. Chaserider has some extremely experienced and focused people working for, and with them and they're nobody's fool. The amount of investment placed in Chaserider to support the communities is enormous and the constant barage of abuse meted at them is atrocious.
By all means, have your opinion, but please be constructive; treat it like your own - how would YOU solve these issues if the money was coming out of your pocket? How would you feel if the same people kept slating you with no apparent substance or offer of solution?
Be careful what you wish for and just be kind.
Well said.
Since I have previous experience in the cannock market I can tell you the vast majority of services are not commercially viable even pre covid. So remember with passenger levels circa 70% & BRG not covering full operating costs & with a fleet that was in dire need of improvements from its previous operator, the challenge of keeping that network intact is immense. Then factor in the national driver shortage & it's a wonder Julian hasnt thrown in the towel.
I dont know many people that would take on that network in this current climate. Ah nx I hear some may say, well they're having their own difficulties at present hence why for the first time in my memory they are cutting complete routes & cutting frequency at a level never before seen.
So give them guys some slack the industry is in turmoil at present.
Quote from: Steveminor on November 19, 2021, 11:15:43 AM
Well said.
Since I have previous experience in the cannock market I can tell you the vast majority of services are not commercially viable even pre covid. So remember with passenger levels circa 70% & BRG not covering full operating costs & with a fleet that was in dire need of improvements from its previous operator, the challenge of keeping that network intact is immense. Then factor in the national driver shortage & it's a wonder Julian hasnt thrown in the towel.
I dont know many people that would take on that network in this current climate. Ah nx I hear some may say, well they're having their own difficulties at present hence why for the first time in my memory they are cutting complete routes & cutting frequency at a level never before seen.
So give them guys some slack the industry is in turmoil at present.
I get that but things like two hour delays due to breakdowns etc would just put people off the comments from passengers about buses simply not running, no info put out etc, people not being able to get to and from work, school on their fb doesnt paint a great picture. It'll become a vicious circle. My comment re the Solos being unsuited to interurban routes is nothing to do with their engines or the fact theyre like a smaller Versa its to do with the fact that theyre knackered, if they werent they wouldnt break down daily, and also as jamie pointed out theyre hopelessly inadequate capacity wise at times.
Quote from: Bob on November 19, 2021, 11:37:42 AM
I get that but things like two hour delays due to breakdowns etc would just put people off the comments from passengers about buses simply not running, no info put out etc, people not being able to get to and from work, school on their fb doesnt paint a great picture. It'll become a vicious circle. My comment re the Solos being unsuited to interurban routes is nothing to do with their engines or the fact theyre like a smaller Versa its to do with the fact that theyre knackered, if they werent they wouldnt break down daily, and also as jamie pointed out theyre hopelessly inadequate capacity wise at times.
So again
@Bob the questions to you are;
What aspect of the Solos is "knackered" if it's not the engines? If the engines aren't at fault, what else makes the bus breakdown and stop running?
If Solos are as "knackered" as you say, what bus types would YOU suggest running in their place?
If Solos are "hopelessly inadequate capacity wise", what other bus types would be suitable instead to allow them to run almost empty on some trips and then offer appropriate capacity at other times? Not many bus types I know of that offer the same weight to fuel economy ratio as the Solos.
As for Facebook - it's very easy for someone to sit on a keyboard and complain about "not being able to get to and from work, school" and have a bunch of "friends" backslap them for bringing these companies to account, though I'd be interested to see how many of these people ACTUALLY use the buses themselves.
I'd be grateful if you'd share your answers so we can all offer Chaserider some support.
It could be things like gearbox? Alternator? Battery?
What types? Well i wouldnt have got rid of the Commanders? So that there were sufficient decent sized buses. Theres only 1 left running. In addition to the reliability probs with the Solos they inherited, some of the stuff they drafted in has been poor. 104/106. Or the two MCV Sb180s, theyve both neen off road for nearly a fortnight after breaking down in service,.
I maybe wouldnt have brought the 1 back until i was able to run the existing network reliably. This isnt an attack on them but for example if you decided to switch to the 1 and regularly there were 1 hour gaps, 90 min gaps, last trips not turning up etc all of which have been happening , would you just give up, as a passenger i mean, and go back to the X51? Cos looking at loadings thats what seems to have happened. A driver on the 1 told me a couple of weeks ago that it looked like it would do ok at first but trade dropped off cos of a mixture of unreliability and obvs other trips maybe not running due to staff shortage. I use the X51 normally i have to say reliability wise it is vastly better.
Quote from: Bob on November 19, 2021, 01:09:01 PM
It could be things like gearbox? Alternator? Battery?
What types? Well i wouldnt have got rid of the Commanders? So that there were sufficient decent sized buses. Theres only 1 left running. In addition to the reliability probs with the Solos they inherited, some of the stuff they drafted in has been poor. 104/106. Or the two MCV Sb180s, theyve both neen off road for nearly a fortnight after breaking down in service,.
I maybe wouldnt have brought the 1 back until i was able to run the existing network reliably. This isnt an attack on them but for example if you decided to switch to the 1 and regularly there were 1 hour gaps, 90 min gaps, last trips not turning up etc all of which have been happening , would you just give up, as a passenger i mean, and go back to the X51? Cos looking at loadings thats what seems to have happened. A driver on the 1 told me a couple of weeks ago that it looked like it would do ok at first but trade dropped off cos of a mixture of unreliability and obvs other trips maybe not running due to staff shortage. I use the X51 normally i have to say reliability wise it is vastly better.
@Bob appreciate your time responding and this does now give us an insight and something more constructive to work with.
On the subject of knackered solos... 163 gave up today leaving a fare few passengers waiting for a 74
Think I must be keeping the 1 going?
The thing with VDLS is when they go wrong if you dont have experience with the type then they can be a devil to sort out & even if you do know the intricacies of the type then if they have become problematic then it's best to let them go, that's speaking from a depth of experience as there were a couple of VDLs we were glad to be rid of.
Regarding the 1 etc then there was a requirement of CBSSG & BRG to operate (or have registered) a certain percentage or as close to 100% of pre covid mileage as possible. That maybe what led to some of these changes.
There is a general pattern developing very quickly with all these outlying areas that don't have a large city to support them. Significant passenger decline and repeated service cuts. It's a vicious cycle and the government sadly have not got a grip of it.
Look at Cannock, Redditch, Kidderminster, Hereford (see the recent other post about Yeomans there), Stafford , Worcester etc etc. All these areas have suffered significant passenger decline over the last 10 years, it has been worsened by Covid, but this cycle started long before that. Seeing this process of managed decline in my job has been depressing to say the least and no company has really been successful in arresting this decline.
I've said it before and I will again, the monopoly laws needs scrapping relating to bus operating areas. Larger companies should be allowed to purchase outlying area operators to create a larger network that can be subsidised (again this cross subsidising law needs changing) by more lucrative routes. At the moment these smaller companies don't have those routes to allow this to happen and so are forced to have to make cuts to make the operation viable.
Let one large operator run everything with current total subsidy offered as one large funding chunk (with the local authority proviso that the company must offer a certain level of service in that area).
Stupid ideas like those from the Manchester mayor about London style contracts will only make the whole industry situation worse. We need smart thinkers in this industry with industry knowledge not politicians or kids out of uni with no real life experience of the situation facing us all.
I presume you are aware of the consequences that a monopoly brings? Believe me it would not be good at all for the consumer if we had a one company run everything policy. More government support should have been offered to the bus industry, but I also think some operators have been slow to adapt to the changes required of them.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 19, 2021, 07:18:19 PM
I presume you are aware of the consequences that a monopoly brings? Believe me it would not be good at all for the consumer if we had a one company run everything policy. More government support should have been offered to the bus industry, but I also think some operators have been slow to adapt to the changes required of them.
What consequences are you referring to? There's several towns across the UK where one operator has 100% of the services.
If this was to happen (https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/cannock-chase-redditch-tamworth-could-22106593) and any of Tamworth, Redditch or Cannock Chase were to become a part of the West Midlands Combined Authority, would you think it would lead to better services in these areas?
Quote from: ellspurs on November 19, 2021, 07:44:11 PM
If this was to happen (https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/cannock-chase-redditch-tamworth-could-22106593) and any of Tamworth, Redditch or Cannock Chase were to become a part of the West Midlands Combined Authority, would you think it would lead to better services in these areas?
Yes because on the whole the West Midlands councils are far more pro bus than the local authorities in those other areas. Trust me, Worcestershire is a complete joke for bus support from the local authority.
Having it all under one operator would encourage link routes between areas. Imagine a company like NXWM being able to run the current 110, 144 the opportunities for improving these services, as well as incorporating them into current services would be immense. Even routes previously withdrawn like the 146 would be viable by combing it with the current 45/47. Even more benefit for passengers would be being able to travel across county borders on one network ticket, not needing multiple operator/county tickets. This would drive up passengers numbers as connections would be far simpler than currently and the return of the long distance inter urban bus routes would be possible.
Having one operator run everything would allow these links to be created. Currently, any passenger i one of those outlying areas would need multiple tickets to get to Brum and then travel around there. That is not attractive to passengers (nor is ridiculous London style contracting that results in massive tax payer bail outs). A one operator system wouldn't need those bail outs, just the current subsidies being paid at the moment. It's win win!
Quote from: j789 on November 19, 2021, 08:02:35 PM
Having it all under one operator would encourage link routes between areas. Imagine a company like NXWM being able to run the current 110, 144 the opportunities for improving these services, as well as incorporating them into current services would be immense. Even routes previously withdrawn like the 146 would be viable by combing it with the current 45/47. Even more benefit for passengers would be being able to travel across county borders on one network ticket, not needing multiple operator/county tickets. This would drive up passengers numbers as connections would be far simpler than currently and the return of the long distance inter urban bus routes would be possible.
Re 146 if NX wanted to and there was demand surely they would have done it already. Given there was no replacement at all, it can't have been viable surely.
Though it would be good if the 110 was incorporated into the Sutton services and on one ticket I think like X3 to Lichfield.
Quote from: 2206 on November 19, 2021, 08:10:35 PM
Re 146 if NX wanted to and there was demand surely they would have done it already?
Like X3 to Lichfield.
But they don't run any other services in Redditch so it would be more difficult to make it viable. Were they running all the routes in Redditch, combining a 146 type service with the 45/47 in Birmingham and then a Redditch route too would bring economies of scale - the saving made on reducing the vehicle requirements on those routes may just make the longer route viable.
With the current scenario, there is no chance this can happen.
Quote from: Tony on November 19, 2021, 07:29:41 PM
What consequences are you referring to? There's several towns across the UK where one operator has 100% of the services.
Limited competition is never a good thing. Take the 94 route for example. Customers would have to rely on solely nx. It would be unlikely that they would increase frequencies and instead are more likely to reduce frequency as they know they have the monopoly of the route. Look how expensive train fares are because they essentially are run as monopoly as well. There would have to be some tough regulations to stop these bus companies making supernormal profits by over charging for fares. Then there's the question about tenders. Would these monopoly operators run tendered routes as well as commercial routes for the whole of the West Midlands. I very much are pro-competition and believe that there are better ways of solving issues like this than putting everything under one umbrella. Look at Johnson's successful business for example, why should those operators who are able to make a success of things be forced out the market?
You simply can't compare the likes of those guys running plain blue buses on the 11C with a quality independent operator like Johnson's.
As a question for you
@Tony doesn't Birmingham have one of the lowest fares in the countries for bus fares? How does this compare with places in the country where there is a monopoly operator?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 19, 2021, 09:31:39 PM
Limited competition is never a good thing. Take the 94 route for example. Customers would have to rely on solely nx. It would be unlikely that they would increase frequencies and instead are more likely to reduce frequency as they know they have the monopoly of the route. Look how expensive train fares are because they essentially are run as monopoly as well. There would have to be some tough regulations to stop these bus companies making supernormal profits by over charging for fares. Then there's the question about tenders. Would these monopoly operators run tendered routes as well as commercial routes for the whole of the West Midlands. I very much are pro-competition and believe that there are better ways of solving issues like this than putting everything under one umbrella. Look at Johnson's successful business for example, why should those operators who are able to make a success of things be forced out the market?
You simply can't compare the likes of those guys running plain blue buses on the 11C with a quality independent operator like Johnson's.
As a question for you @Tony doesn't Birmingham have one of the lowest fares in the countries for bus fares? How does this compare with places in the country where there is a monopoly operator?
You are talking complete rubbish. ' Expensive' Train fares are set by the Government nothing to do with a monopoly. And how can they be a monopoly anyway. If I want to go to London I have choice of 3 operators all offering cheap fares.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 19, 2021, 09:31:39 PM
Limited competition is never a good thing. Take the 94 route for example. Customers would have to rely on solely nx. It would be unlikely that they would increase frequencies and instead are more likely to reduce frequency as they know they have the monopoly of the route. Look how expensive train fares are because they essentially are run as monopoly as well. There would have to be some tough regulations to stop these bus companies making supernormal profits by over charging for fares. Then there's the question about tenders. Would these monopoly operators run tendered routes as well as commercial routes for the whole of the West Midlands. I very much are pro-competition and believe that there are better ways of solving issues like this than putting everything under one umbrella. Look at Johnson's successful business for example, why should those operators who are able to make a success of things be forced out the market?
You simply can't compare the likes of those guys running plain blue buses on the 11C with a quality independent operator like Johnson's.
As a question for you @Tony doesn't Birmingham have one of the lowest fares in the countries for bus fares? How does this compare with places in the country where there is a monopoly operator?
Low fares ultimately equal low investment. Take Redditch as an example, the fares there have been ridiculously low for over 10 years yet the passenger decline there has been huge over that time period because passengers couldn't trust the service provided. Diamond have a monopoly there with very little competition yet I can't see any whole scale recovery taking place with passenger numbers there. Those lost passengers just won't come back now.
Competition results in even less investment generally as it's a race to the bottom in terms of standards. Look at the late 1980s and 1990s bus scene and all those cow boy operators running clapped out Nationals just trying to cream profits off the lucrative routes. That wasn't a good thing for the industry at all.
Quote from: Tony on November 19, 2021, 09:52:44 PM
You are talking complete rubbish. ' Expensive' Train fares are set by the Government nothing to do with a monopoly. And how can they be a monopoly anyway. If I want to go to London I have choice of 3 operators all offering cheap fares.
I was more referring to cross country fares, which as you said the other day were ludicrous prices. Take Birmingham to Nottingham for example. You chose an example of the biggest city and second biggest city in the UK, of course there's going to be a little more choice!!
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 19, 2021, 10:17:28 PM
I was more referring to cross country fares, which as you said the other day were ludicrous prices. Take Birmingham to Nottingham for example. You chose an example of the biggest city and second biggest city in the UK, of course there's going to be a little more choice!!
Cross Country still isn't a monopoly, as I pointed out I had the choice of giving Northern trains some of my money to make the fare cheaper.
Birmingham to Nottingham fares are a left over from Central Trains days and are not expensive
I have been reading all of the posts regarding Chaserider's, according to some totally unreliable service and would like to add my experiences over the last few weeks after having had eye surgery and not being able to drive. I would like to make it clear that I have no link to the company, no knowledge of running a bus service and no knowledge of the workings of a modern bus. Over the last 4 weeks I have used the 74 to and from my home on the boundary of Stafford Borough into Stafford, the 74 to and from Cannock to Stafford, the 25/26 Pye Green Circular and the 826 from Stafford to Rugeley oh and one trip on the 63 from Rugeley to Hednesford. I have traveled on Volvo, Plaxton Dart, Commander, Solo's, the Versa, Enviro 200's, Evolution Dart and the Centrebus Centro's, all of them rattle the worse, in my opinion being the E200's the best the Centro's but oh the seating in the Centro's, might as well go back to the days of wooden slatted seats. The bottom line is that I have suffered no breakdowns, no none shows and when late only a couple of minutes. The only criticism I have is that the SWB Solo's are not really suitable for any route other than very sparsely populated countryside ones due to capacity. All in all in my opinion D & G/Chaserider aren't doing to bad considering everything.
The 3, 61, and X14 have all been cancelled from the 9th of January. Variations of the 25/26 and 74 have been registered too
Quote from: BusMan Greg on November 22, 2021, 12:37:09 PM
The 3, 61, and X14 have all been cancelled from the 9th of January. Variations of the 25/26 and 74 have been registered too
Do the variations on the 74 mean the axing of the Cheslyn hay to walsall section?
Quote from: Bob on November 22, 2021, 01:15:57 PM
Do the variations on the 74 mean the axing of the Cheslyn hay to walsall section?
I'd assume so but it isn't specific
I wonder if another operator would step in to cover the 3?
Would probably have to go out to tender as it's not commercially viable
Quote from: Steveminor on November 22, 2021, 04:51:57 PM
Would probably have to go out to tender as it's not commercially viable
This has been mentioned before on this forum but would a 937 extension to Cannock work? Obviously that would replace the 3 between Brownhills and Cannock
Quote from: BusMan Greg on November 22, 2021, 05:13:18 PM
This has been mentioned before on this forum but would a 937 extension to Cannock work? Obviously that would replace the 3 between Brownhills and Cannock
I would of thought an extension of the 10 better. This would then become similar to old Walsall Corporation service no.5, just omitting the Burntwood / Chase Terrace section and running to Cannock instead of Hednesford.
Anyways if nothing happens this leaves Brownhills without a service to Cannock for the first time in my lifetime and that goes back to the days of Harper Bros.
Quote from: 888DUK on November 22, 2021, 05:34:02 PM
I would of thought an extension of the 10 better. This would then become similar to old Walsall Corporation service no.5, just omitting the Burntwood / Chase Terrace section and running to Cannock instead of Hednesford.
Anyways if nothing happens this leaves Brownhills without a service to Cannock for the first time in my lifetime and that goes back to the days of Harper Bros.
I thought that but the 3 didn't work when it went to Wasall, or at least in its later days anyway.
The lower half of Norton Canes will lose its bus service when the 3 is withdrawn. Has Staffordshire CC put out any emergency tenders for it?
So how will this affect the 1 then?
It's hard to see nx extending any services whilst they are currently cutting their existing routes & PVR.
Quote from: Westy on November 22, 2021, 06:24:55 PM
So how will this affect the 1 then?
Cant see it having any effect other than no longer interworking
Quote from: Steveminor on November 22, 2021, 06:39:45 PM
It's hard to see nx extending any services whilst they are currently cutting their existing routes & PVR.
As with any company, if they spot a potentially profit making situation I'm sure they would extend the route perhaps at the expense of reducing another loss making or break even service. It makes business sense to do that.
If you look at the routes NXWM have cut or withdrawn they aren't the trunk routes it's the peripheral ones that were probably always pretty low profit earners any way. It will be interesting to see if any of the 'local' competition step in to take these routes over commercially - let me take a punt now - none of them will!!!
Quote from: j789 on November 22, 2021, 07:38:42 PM
If you look at the routes NXWM have cut or withdrawn they aren't the trunk routes it's the peripheral ones that were probably always pretty low profit earners any way. It will be interesting to see if any of the 'local' competition step in to take these routes over commercially - let me take a punt now - none of them will!!!
All I got to say is bring on franchising.
Quote from: the trainbasher on November 22, 2021, 07:43:18 PM
All I got to say is bring on franchising.
Are you a tax payer? Will you be happy to see your money thrown down the drain on all the added expense that will create? London is not a success story no matter what anyone says. It's just had billions of pounds wasted when all it needed was to have one LT company running everything to high standards (state owned or private).
Franchising would be a disaster.
Quote from: j789 on November 22, 2021, 07:47:29 PM
Are you a tax payer? Will you be happy to see your money thrown down the drain on all the added expense that will create? London is not a success story no matter what anyone says. It's just had billions of pounds wasted when all it needed was to have one LT company running everything to high standards (state owned or private).
Franchising would be a disaster.
Thats what they had i think till the Tories split it in the late 80s then sold it off in the 90s or thereabout
Quote from: Bob on November 22, 2021, 07:50:59 PM
Thats what they had i think till the Tories split it in the late 80s then sold it off in the 90s or thereabout
Yes it wasn't a good decision that. I think overall deregulation has been positive in larger cities and conurbations like the West Midlands. However, London was always different to everywhere else and LT should just have been left as it was but modernised. I believe that would have created a much more sustainable network than today's and would have cost us tax payers far less in subsidies.
Folks, can we keep this thread for discussion of the operator Chaserider please?
For discussion of wider-reaching topics, please start a new thread or use an existing one.
Quote from: Bob on November 22, 2021, 06:43:20 PM
Cant see it having any effect other than no longer interworking
I'm guessing the 1640 from Walsall was running late tonight, as I saw one at Asda Bloxwich traffic lights & I was surprised there was a fair few passengers on board.
Rough guess, six or seven, compared to one or two at my time of the morning, but despite being slightly late this morning, they managed another 3 at Hospital Street, on top of the original 2!
Quote from: Westy on November 22, 2021, 10:56:12 PM
I'm guessing the 1640 from Walsall was running late tonight, as I saw one at Asda Bloxwich traffic lights & I was surprised there was a fair few passengers on board.
Rough guess, six or seven, compared to one or two at my time of the morning, but despite being slightly late this morning, they managed another 3 at Hospital Street, on top of the original 2!
This morning, one already on, who got off at the stop after me, plus me!
Changes on the company website bus timetable page now.
Quote from: Westy on November 24, 2021, 07:04:02 AM
Changes on the company website bus timetable page now.
I cant see anything
Quote from: BusMan Greg on November 24, 2021, 07:23:54 AM
I cant see anything
You have to click on the actual route and it says "we regret the service is withdrawn from 9th Jan due to low passenger numbers"
I've been told from 'elsewhere' a letter is going into Staffs Council about the loss of the Cheslyn Hay to Walsall link.
The 25A and 26A are being withdrawn too
Quote from: Westy on November 24, 2021, 09:55:19 AM
I've been told from 'elsewhere' a letter is going into Staffs Council about the loss of the Cheslyn Hay to Walsall link.
Always amazes me how many people will bemoan the loss of a service that many of them DON'T use and do it just for effect! I wonder if the "elsewhere" have or do actually use the services (very few if any I would wager).
Still, gives the local press a chance to publish the obligatory, "Outraged standing by vacant bus stop" photo ;)
Quote from: Wumpty on November 24, 2021, 12:16:02 PM
Always amazes me how many people will bemoan the loss of a service that many of them DON'T use and do it just for effect! I wonder if the "elsewhere" have or do actually use the services (very few if any I would wager).
Still, gives the local press a chance to publish the obligatory, "Outraged standing by vacant bus stop" photo ;)
I have found the source of the "elsewhere". Link below.
https://twitter.com/GWCHCommunity/status/1463280572013371400
An ex poster on this forum I believe. Have to wonder if he actually used this service though.
Quote from: 2206 on November 24, 2021, 12:21:06 PM
I have found the source of the "elsewhere". Link below.
https://twitter.com/GWCHCommunity/status/1463280572013371400
An ex poster on this forum I believe. Have to wonder if he actually used this service.
Good Lord - I'm sure Staffordshire County Council will be quaking in their boots!
Hope the Saturday 25 that Eddie Hughes organised for the Stafford Road is still running ok, else he's back to square one?
I guess the Sunday X51 to Cannock is doing ok, if the 25a & 26a are being withdrawn.
I don't think there's been an half hourly Sunday frequency between Walsall & Cannock since the mid 80's, with the 301 & 302.
In fact, come to think of it, the current link from Cheslyn Hay to Walsall direct, didn't start till the mid 70's.
Previously Walsall Corp then Wmpte ran a service from Cheslyn Hay to Cannock, which continued to Walsall via Norton Canes & Lime Lane (I think?) through Pelsall.
Quote from: Westy on November 24, 2021, 10:29:23 PM
Previously Walsall Corp then Wmpte ran a service from Cheslyn Hay to Cannock, which continued to Walsall via Norton Canes & Lime Lane (I think?) through Pelsall.
Correct - it was Walsall Corporation 17, renumbered 348 by WMPTE in 1976. I don't think it was aimed at through Cheslyn Hay - Walsall traffic, as it was a 1950s merger of two services: 17 Cannock - Walsall, and 22 Cheslyn Hay - Cannock - Heath Hayes.
Walsall Corporation also operated a service 18 Great Wyrley - Cheslyn Hay - Broad Lane - Bloxwich. In WMPTE days was merged with ex-Wolverhampton Corporation Cheslyn Hay services to form 55/57 Wolverhampton - Bloxwich via Essington and Broad Lane, with alternate journeys (the 55) doing a huge mid-route loop via Cheslyn Hay and Landywood.
Quote from: Justin Tyme on November 24, 2021, 10:56:04 PM
Correct - it was Walsall Corporation 17, renumbered 348 by WMPTE in 1976. I don't think it was aimed at through Cheslyn Hay - Walsall traffic, as it was a 1950s merger of two services: 17 Cannock - Walsall, and 22 Cheslyn Hay - Cannock - Heath Hayes.
Walsall Corporation also operated a service 18 Great Wyrley - Cheslyn Hay - Broad Lane - Bloxwich. In WMPTE days was merged with ex-Wolverhampton Corporation Cheslyn Hay services to form 55/57 Wolverhampton - Bloxwich via Essington and Broad Lane, with alternate journeys (the 55) doing a huge mid-route loop via Cheslyn Hay and Landywood.
Saved me having to dig out the old timetables at 10pm!:)
Actually managed to miss the 1 this morning, as I think he was slightly early.
(Pretty sure the Itv clock was before 640am!)
So a quick race round to Bloxwich Road!
Quote from: Justin Tyme on November 24, 2021, 10:56:04 PM
Correct - it was Walsall Corporation 17, renumbered 348 by WMPTE in 1976. I don't think it was aimed at through Cheslyn Hay - Walsall traffic, as it was a 1950s merger of two services: 17 Cannock - Walsall, and 22 Cheslyn Hay - Cannock - Heath Hayes.
Walsall Corporation also operated a service 18 Great Wyrley - Cheslyn Hay - Broad Lane - Bloxwich. In WMPTE days was merged with ex-Wolverhampton Corporation Cheslyn Hay services to form 55/57 Wolverhampton - Bloxwich via Essington and Broad Lane, with alternate journeys (the 55) doing a huge mid-route loop via Cheslyn Hay and Landywood.
Didnt the 348 eventually end up as a Csnnock to Norton Canes off peak ssrvice?
Quote from: Bob on November 25, 2021, 08:41:37 AM
Didnt the 348 eventually end up as a Csnnock to Norton Canes off peak ssrvice?
From memory, looking at the old timetables, it was severely reduced at one point!
Driver on the 70 this morning is wearing an nxwm jacket. They do say imitations the best form of flattery 🤪
Caught the 1710 1 back from Walsall, as I had to renew my bus pass for the first time under the new arrangement, I would say roughly 10, losing 2 at Hospital Street, then me at my nearest stop!
Quote from: Westy on November 26, 2021, 09:14:07 PM
Caught the 1710 1 back from Walsall, as I had to renew my bus pass for the first time under the new arrangement, I would say roughly 10, losing 2 at Hospital Street, then me at my nearest stop!
I caught the 17:35 74 from Walsall to Bloxwich earlier with a few people (and a driver I knew who was heading back to Walsall Garage). Apart from us there was only two other passengers onboard.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 26, 2021, 10:03:45 PM
I caught the 17:35 74 from Walsall to Bloxwich earlier with a few people (and a driver I knew who was heading back to Walsall Garage). Apart from us there was only two other passengers onboard.
Probably why the 74 is being withdrawn from Walsall then !?
Maybe the alteration I'd try is keep the peak 1's as they are, but daytime journeys (& a Saturday service!) to divert via Beechdale (Stephenson Avenue) & Reedswood shops.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 26, 2021, 10:03:45 PM
I caught the 17:35 74 from Walsall to Bloxwich earlier with a few people (and a driver I knew who was heading back to Walsall Garage). Apart from us there was only two other passengers onboard.
Hello from one of the few people! I also caught the 1 back from Bloxwich to Walsall at 17:53, it wasn't busy by any means but there was around 10 passengers in total. Still, probably not a sustainable amount considering that was at peak time.
Quote from: Westy on November 26, 2021, 10:15:25 PM
Maybe the alteration I'd try is keep the peak 1's as they are, but daytime journeys (& a Saturday service!) to divert via Beechdale (Stephenson Avenue) & Reedswood shops.
Wouldnt that just remove the 1 thing that the route has going for it? That its direct
Quote from: Bob on November 27, 2021, 06:41:41 PM
Wouldnt that just remove the 1 thing that the route has going for it? That its direct
But if it keeps the route going, it's worth a try.
Certainly, from my point of view, it gives a link from Leamore onto the Reedswood Retail Park, without having to go to Bloxwich or Walsall first, plus it's at least a 20 mins walk from my house. You try doing that with heavy shopping and/or peeing down.
I wonder if they would get more people going Stafford to Walsall if the 74 linked into the 1 (with the Cheslyn Hey loop being served by another route). The 1 is much faster end to end and I think offers probably better distance links than the 74 does. The only issue with it is Saturdays as the 1 doesn't run then so the 74 would have to terminate then at Cannock.
Number of services being withdrawn from Jan 9th on Chaserider website
It'll be interesting to see if certain gaps will be filled by other operators?
I'm guessing it's not far to walk from Cheslyn Hay on the nearest points on the X51 route, but the Norton Canes to Brownhills gap would one to watch, whether Staffs County Council might actually put their hand in their pocket for a change for a tender, or whether maybe NX might extend another route to Cannock.
Whether it would be the 937 or the 10 would depend on how vital the Ogley Hay loop might be.
Quote from: Westy on November 30, 2021, 10:01:25 PM
It'll be interesting to see if certain gaps will be filled by other operators?
I'm guessing it's not far to walk from Cheslyn Hay on the nearest points on the X51 route, but the Norton Canes to Brownhills gap would one to watch, whether Staffs County Council might actually put their hand in their pocket for a change for a tender, or whether maybe NX might extend another route to Cannock.
Unfortunately not - if you take one of the furthest points of CH to the nearest at Gorsey Lane/Landywood Lane, that's a 29-35 minute walk. Granted, if you live at one of the nearest points at Station Road to the A34 then it's a short 5-10 minute walk.
Just for argument's sake (and I know there's a social and demographical difference), but imagine pulling the 31 or 32 and then having to walk to Bloxwich as your nearest bus stop. from the back of Glastonbury Crescent on Mossley or from Little Bloxwich/Lower Farm, it's a similar trek.
Quote from: Wumpty on December 06, 2021, 08:19:08 AM
Unfortunately not - if you take one of the furthest points of CH to the nearest at Gorsey Lane/Landywood Lane, that's a 29-35 minute walk. Granted, if you live at one of the nearest points at Station Road to the A34 then it's a short 5-10 minute walk.
Just for argument's sake (and I know there's a social and demographical difference), but imagine pulling the 31 or 32 and then having to walk to Bloxwich as your nearest bus stop. from the back of Glastonbury Crescent on Mossley or from Little Bloxwich/Lower Farm, it's a similar trek.
See what you mean, so a route theoretically needs to go there anyway!
Quote from: Westy on December 06, 2021, 10:05:10 AM
See what you mean, so a route theoretically needs to go there anyway!
Whether it "needs" to go there is dependent upon the needs of the travelling public. Just because an area has always had/never had a service, doesn't mean it needs one for the sake of having one. Clearly Chaserider (and Arriva) can't sustain the services in Cheslyn Hay, and hats off to Chaserider for even attempting to sustain services - I'm unsure if there's any firm data to show what the ACTUAL passenger demand for services is in Cheslyn Hay. It's a predominantly affluent area with semi-isolated estates with multiple car owners per household, so even if NX re-routed via Cheslyn Hay either on peak or as a part/full timetable, you'll only ever know the success by THEIR passenger figures.
If, and it's a mahoosive IF, it is deemed socially-necessary, then the relevant councils/authorities may offer subsidy (though I doubt they would on these regular weekday services).
Worth noting that if two separate bus companies have had the same low patronage, what's to say a third in NX would have a different outcome?
Worth noting that even if a bus is deemed socially necessary then if the LTA can actually fund it or not is another thing. Budgets are getting tighter & there isnt the BSIO money that we've been led to believe (not nearly enough BSIP money.
Some interesting allocations today!
Dart 17/2377 on 841's
Solar 199 on 10/432's
E200 MMC 1 on 70/71's
Another broken down Solo on 74 today. There were 3 on there, obvs now down one. Yet 199 and Volvos which would be much more useful on it running half empty on pye greens.
Currently on 168 on the 1 its proper struggling to move n jerking and struggling to get going.
Quote from: Bob on December 08, 2021, 02:26:26 PM
Currently on 168 on the 1 its proper struggling to move n jerking and struggling to get going.
Meanwhile full size 190 is pottering about on the X14
Quote from: Jamie A on December 08, 2021, 02:45:46 PM
Meanwhile full size 190 is pottering about on the X14
Mustve been rammed 🤣
Does anyone know if the vehicle that should've operated the 1640 1 from Walsall broke down, as it never turned up?
Not sure but there was a Chaserider being recovered from Tixall on the 828 route yesterday evening
Think it was 191 that was being recovered late evening
Quote from: Westy on December 08, 2021, 10:16:51 PM
Does anyone know if the vehicle that should've operated the 1640 1 from Walsall broke down, as it never turned up?
Gaps of 2hr plus are a regular thing on the 1 lol.
Streetlite being recovered from stafford atm, the 4pm 74 never ran, the busy college one.the 5pm one is a sSolowhich is full before its left the first of 6 town centre stops in stafford! Meanwhile pye greens have got a commander a volvo and 199 on....
People were stood almost to the back of the solo and there was a guy with a guide dog stood at the front who almost fell over when driver had to brake sharp cos there was a domino effect. Ive never understood why they regularly load the 74 with Solos!
Since the change to the 3 down to hourly, does the 1 still with what's left of the 3 interwork with it, or does it interwork with another route instead?
If the 3 loadings are supposedly bad, & enough people, from what I've seen, can easily fill a Solo on the 1, why do some mornings do I get a full size single decker, especially as Bob says, the Solos are full on the 74, between Stafford & Cannock presumbly?
I've certainly caught full size singles on the 74 from Walsall, so I'd suppose I'd expect those on the route as a default, due to the length, with the 1's having Solo's as default.
Of the 5 buses on the 74 yesterday, 4 were Solos
I really thought that when Chaserider were set up that we would see a vast improvement from Cannock
But sadly it looks a dire situation
Quote from: Vulcan on December 10, 2021, 11:16:58 AM
I really thought that when Chaserider were set up that we would see a vast improvement from Cannock
But sadly it looks a dire situation
When you say, "vast improvement from Cannock", what do you mean?
Improvement in service, passenger increase, improved network?
Quote from: Vulcan on December 10, 2021, 11:16:58 AM
I really thought that when Chaserider were set up that we would see a vast improvement from Cannock
But sadly it looks a dire situation
Without a lot of investment from either the local council (hah!) or one of the large groups, I can't see the situation ever improving back to how it used to be. I'll give D&G credit, they've tried their best to improve things after Arriva decided to throw in the towel, but with the network already far into decline, it's hard to stop that, let alone reverse it, especially when they're a smaller company overall.
Quote from: DJ on December 10, 2021, 11:26:55 AM
Without a lot of investment from either the local council (hah!) or one of the large groups, I can't see the situation ever improving back to how it used to be. I'll give D&G credit, they've tried their best to improve things after Arriva decided to throw in the towel, but with the network already far into decline, it's hard to stop that, let alone reverse it, especially when they're a smaller company overall.
I wonder whether D & G will throw in the towel. I looked at Google reviews the other day and theres quite a few, mostly about broken down buses, missed journeys, unreliability etc. I remember thinking when they got rid of the larger buses "what if routes pick up numbers wise, theyll be screwed with loads of old Solos" ....apart from their poor reliability theyre pretty unsuited to most routes. For example, the 841 mostly has E200s on it, but it isnt really busy, solos would be perfect, but theyd probably break down lol
I caught a solo to walsall and a volvo back, the interiors, incl the ceiling panels etc were absolutely filthy and the seats were disgusting, the solo had 3 types of moquette and almost all of it was threadbare and stained etc. The volvos seats are smelly and none look like theyve ever been cleaned since the takeover. Theyve all been painteed and look ok but a lot are really poor inside. Surely even a steam clean something basic like that would make a decent improvement?
And talking of missed journeys, the first 1 south didn't appear this morning.
I gave it 10 mins as well, before going round to Bloxwich Road & getting that next bus down, which was an X51, followed by a 31 etc!
Service update from 9 January 2022:
Service 3 will continue to operate. Staffordshire County Council will be funding service 3 until further notice, while the service is reviewed.
SR 101 is apparently at Chaserider
EDIT: It was tracking on Pye Greens all day yesterday, now tracking on the 50 in Hanley
Quote from: BusMan Greg on December 17, 2021, 06:01:20 AM
SR 101 is apparently at Chaserider
EDIT: It was tracking on Pye Greens all day yesterday, now tracking on the 50 in Hanley
Wonder if its as unreliable as 104/106.....
743 YJ57BCU is in service this morning noted on 826 passing through Milford.
Fleet no 743 is a VDL SB200/Plaxton Centro a Centrebus vehicle from Grantham ? I was told by my granddaughters that 2 Chaserider buses were in a nose to rear shunt in Stafford last week, they said one was white and the other red, don't know anymore than that, but 743 could be a loan to cover.
https://www.facebook.com/102628331691000/posts/331390948814736/
Latest on the Facebook page!
Quote from: Westy on December 21, 2021, 11:55:08 AM
https://www.facebook.com/102628331691000/posts/331390948814736/
Latest on the Facebook page!
Can you screenshot it as I don't have Facebook (I know, miserable old git ain't I?! ;D)
Quote from: tphi12000 on December 21, 2021, 08:32:53 AM
743 YJ57BCU is in service this morning noted on 826 passing through Milford.
Facebook also shows Versa 769 YJ57XWG in use on the 74 and is tracking as such on bustimes , given the time I saw 743 this morning this appears to be tracking as number 1 but happy to be proven wrong.
Quote from: Wumpty on December 21, 2021, 12:06:16 PM
Can you screenshot it as I don't have Facebook (I know, miserable old git ain't I?! ;D)
It's also on their Twitter feed, but basically it's a chance for you to colour in your own bus!
Quote from: Westy on December 21, 2021, 06:15:40 PM
It's also on their Twitter feed, but basically it's a chance for you to colour in your own bus!
Tip: Twitter links will 'embed' here, for some reason Facebook posts don't embed anymore. ;)
https://twitter.com/ChaseriderBus/status/1473220447185498112
Quote from: Stu on December 21, 2021, 07:00:40 PM
Tip: Twitter links will 'embed' here, for some reason Facebook posts don't embed anymore. ;)
https://twitter.com/ChaseriderBus/status/1473220447185498112
Thanks Stu - we can't do any worse than the abominations that are 178/179 for Cannock Chase Radio!!!!
Wonder if the Versa will stay, surprisingly tidy bus and Cannock definetely needs some bigger vehicles!
51 broke down on the island opposite the tip earlier while on the 3. Blocked a whole lane off!
Looks like the Versas had it, blowing out a tom of black smoke, whole back of thecbus covered in soot and recovery van in bus stn 🤣
A day on Chaserider buses:
- all buses ran, on time, and all buses passed going the other way at the expected times
- all seats looked as reasonable as every other bus company I've used, and none of them smelled particularly worse than the bus itself (yes I smelled them) (maybe the populous of Cannock need a wash?)
- none of the buses seemed clapped out, maybe some during the day were being driven a bit hard but different drivers etc. *maybe* one of the Solos I had sounded a bit nackered but tbf it had just blasted along the A5 to Telford by that point so I dunno
- agreed the use of solos on interurban work is hilarious, but tbh if no one uses the services then it makes sense, I was the only person on the bus quite a lot today. Not overly convinced that full length single decks are needed on a 15 min frequency on the Pye Greens but meh whatever
- spoke to some people during the day and some seemed happier now it isn't Arriva, although for the most they couldn't care its just a bus
So yeah. Perspective.
Kevin your perspective on Chaserider is a mirror of my findings over a two week period last October. However I very much doubt that your comments will do anything to stop the Chaserider (formerly Arriva Cannock) knockers from their negative views even posting negative comments about Chaserider on the threads on other operators.
Quote from: Kevin on January 08, 2022, 11:55:53 PM
A day on Chaserider buses:
- all buses ran, on time, and all buses passed going the other way at the expected times
- all seats looked as reasonable as every other bus company I've used, and none of them smelled particularly worse than the bus itself (yes I smelled them) (maybe the populous of Cannock need a wash?)
- none of the buses seemed clapped out, maybe some during the day were being driven a bit hard but different drivers etc. *maybe* one of the Solos I had sounded a bit nackered but tbf it had just blasted along the A5 to Telford by that point so I dunno
- agreed the use of solos on interurban work is hilarious, but tbh if no one uses the services then it makes sense, I was the only person on the bus quite a lot today. Not overly convinced that full length single decks are needed on a 15 min frequency on the Pye Greens but meh whatever
- spoke to some people during the day and some seemed happier now it isn't Arriva, although for the most they couldn't care its just a bus
So yeah. Perspective.
Excellent post
@Kevin - a very balanced view and agree with your findings.
Quote from: Grinder on January 09, 2022, 08:57:01 AM
Kevin your perspective on Chaserider is a mirror of my findings over a two week period last October. However I very much doubt that your comments will do anything to stop the Chaserider (formerly Arriva Cannock) knockers from their negative views even posting negative comments about Chaserider on the threads on other operators.
Ditto
@Grinder I don't use Chaserider, though speaking with their customers and looking at the team they have working there, they're no better or worse than any other bus company.
The interiors/exteriors are on par with their age and useage, customers are grateful that they're running a service and that there is STILL a network in Cannock area.
I don't buy the majority of the comments of how bad the company is. I have nothing but admiration for D&G and Chaserider for taking on Cannock after Arriva and trying to run a bus service in a semi-rural area.
Most need to remember that they are a business - if it doesn't make money, then they won't hesitate to pull out. Some should be careful what they wish for.
"agreed the use of solos on interurban work is hilarious" Like the two that broke down on the first journeys on the 826/70 today?
Twin door E200 also broke down on the 70. Thats 2 1hr gaps in service already today. Again, are these things even up to interurban use?? If they want to operate a reliable service?
Noted all white Optare MetroCity 149 YJ67GBX on the 74 this morning in Stafford. Bus times suggests 151YJ67GBY is also out on the74.
I should imagine the 2 white metrocities are in Cannock to be upseated and painted but are just helping out in the meantime.
Quote from: Capitalpotter on January 12, 2022, 05:42:26 PM
I should imagine the 2 white metrocities are in Cannock to be upseated and painted but are just helping out in the meantime.
They must be short of vehicles. The Versa that was used to help outs not been out since Friday
Theres three Streetlites, four or five Solos, one of the MCVS off the road and 603 broke down 8th Dec in Stafford shortly after trqnsferring in and hasnt been out since. Driver in Cannock was telling someone ( whod been moaning about Pye Greens not turning up two days in a row) that they have to take buses off there to replace other breqkdowns hence the no shows on PGs
Noted E200MMC number 1 out on the 60 this eveing having been off road 3 weeks or so .
Anyone seen 743 out?
Well, first day back at work, after Covid isolation.
Seem to have caught, on the first 1, an all white single decker, that seems to be half luggage racks, half seating.
Bit OTT isn't it?
Quote from: Westy on January 14, 2022, 07:12:45 AM
Well, first day back at work, after Covid isolation.
Seem to have caught, on the first 1, an all white single decker, that seems to be half luggage racks, half seating.
Bit OTT isn't it?
Theyre ex airport buses
Quote from: Westy on January 14, 2022, 07:12:45 AM
Well, first day back at work, after Covid isolation.
Seem to have caught, on the first 1, an all white single decker, that seems to be half luggage racks, half seating.
Bit OTT isn't it?
They're at Cannock to be painted and upseated
Quote from: Capitalpotter on January 14, 2022, 09:47:46 AM
They're at Cannock to be painted and upseated
A very astute purchase. There's much criticism levelled at Chaserider, so the purchase and conversion of these buses should be welcomed.
Quote from: Wumpty on January 14, 2022, 10:25:04 AM
A very astute purchase. There's much criticism levelled at Chaserider, so the purchase and conversion of these buses should be welcomed.
Are they intended for Cannock though or just there for work?
Variations have been registered for some Chaserider/D&G routes from the 20th of February
Quote from: Bob on January 14, 2022, 04:14:46 PM
Are they intended for Cannock though or just there for work?
I was lead to believe they're for Longton garage
Quote from: BusMan Greg on January 14, 2022, 04:58:05 PM
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/bus/search/?text%5Bsearch%5D=PD1128125&filter%5BtrafficArea%5D=&filter%5BbusRegStatus%5D=Variation&search=PD1128125&searchBy=&security=281105d64a5c3ab2438e60948e593244-fd395240d8a3db365e66b1a843aa6872
Variations have been registered for some Chaserider/D&G routes from the 20th of February
Link doesnt bring anything up
Quote from: Bob on January 14, 2022, 06:08:31 PM
Link doesnt bring anything up
Yes just noticed, sorry. It shows variations for routes 60, 62, 63, 70, 71, 74, 826, 828.
Quote from: BusMan Greg on January 14, 2022, 06:52:54 PM
Yes just noticed, sorry. It shows variations for routes 60, 62, 63, 70, 71, 74, 826, 828.
Interesting wonder whqt theyll be
Quote from: Bob on January 14, 2022, 08:12:21 PM
Interesting wonder whqt theyll be
From what I see the 74 will be Cannock to Stafford again, don't quote me on that though
Quote from: BusMan Greg on January 14, 2022, 08:33:04 PM
From what I see the 74 will be Cannock to Stafford again, don't quote me on that though
More cuts then 🤦♂️
Quote from: Bob on January 14, 2022, 08:48:34 PM
More cuts then 🤦♂️
They've given it a go, you can't expect them to keep a bus service going if the passenger numbers aren't sustainable.
Don't take that as if I'm having a go, I'm just stating a point lol
Quote from: BusMan Greg on January 14, 2022, 09:35:11 PM
They've given it a go, you can't expect them to keep a bus service going if the passenger numbers aren't sustainable.
Don't take that as if I'm having a go, I'm just stating a point lol
True
Quote from: BusMan Greg on January 14, 2022, 06:52:54 PM
Yes just noticed, sorry. It shows variations for routes 60, 62, 63, 70, 71, 74, 826, 828.
Could it be they're combining routes to supplement the cancelled routes from last month?
Quote from: Capitalpotter on January 17, 2022, 08:04:40 AM
Could it be they're combining routes to supplement the cancelled routes from last month?
Who knows, it would make sense for them to try and integrate places into the network without making new routes
For instance, if they really wanted to make Boney Hay work that bad they could just send the 62 through the estate instead of making a new route which they tried. I doubt it'd make any money but if they're that desperate they could give it a try. That's just one example of what they could try
Quote from: BusMan Greg on January 17, 2022, 10:02:10 AM
Who knows, it would make sense for them to try and integrate places into the network without making new routes
For instance, if they really wanted to make Boney Hay work that bad they could just send the 62 through the estate instead of making a new route which they tried. I doubt it'd make any money but if they're that desperate they could give it a try. That's just one example of what they could try
True. Cant see what they could do with the 70 or 71 though without making em over long.
Quote from: Bob on January 17, 2022, 10:17:37 AM
True. Cant see what they could do with the 70 or 71 though without making em over long.
I was wondering about the 70 and 71, they can't reduce it anymore than it is now
Quote from: BusMan Greg on January 17, 2022, 10:02:10 AM
Who knows, it would make sense for them to try and integrate places into the network without making new routes
For instance, if they really wanted to make Boney Hay work that bad they could just send the 62 through the estate instead of making a new route which they tried. I doubt it'd make any money but if they're that desperate they could give it a try. That's just one example of what they could try
I don't think it's a case of THEM desperately trying to make it work, it's about looking to enhance a limited public transport network and seeing how it can be developed for the benefit of the passenger. If it doesn't work all round, then they won't do it and ultimately, not waste any money.
Fair play though for WANTING to try.
Looks like the 1 is running at an hourly frequency today. One of the Metrocitys either broke down/got took off first thing and theres a MCV out to replace it along with one other bus, every other trip looks like its not running
2hr gap on 62s this morning between 8.15 and 10.15 after Solo 104 broke down on it.
Quote from: Bob on January 17, 2022, 10:17:37 AM
True. Cant see what they could do with the 70 or 71 though without making em over long.
The thing is, the 70 & 71 are already off-putting for passengers wanting to do the end-to-end route by taking in various estates. Whenever the direct Wolves-Walsall train starts I fully imagine that'll take even more custom away from those routes
Quote from: Kevin on January 17, 2022, 12:48:23 PM
The thing is, the 70 & 71 are already off-putting for passengers wanting to do the end-to-end route by taking in various estates. Whenever the direct Wolves-Walsall train starts I fully imagine that'll take even more custom away from those routes
Will that serve any stations that are near where the 70 or 71 go? Id have thought itd affect the 529
Quote from: Bob on January 17, 2022, 12:53:51 PM
Will that serve any stations that are near where the 70 or 71 go? Id have thought itd affect the 529
Getting a direct train from Wolves to Walsall, then changing on one up to Cannock, might be more appealing to some folk. It will almost certainly affect the 529 more though.
Another 2hr gap on 62 this afternoon btwn 3.15 and 5.15 when the Solo that replaced 104 got took off
Quote from: Bob on January 17, 2022, 12:39:39 PM
Looks like the 1 is running at an hourly frequency today. One of the Metrocitys either broke down/got took off first thing and theres a MCV out to replace it along with one other bus, every other trip looks like its not running
Looks like I was lucky this morning then, but the vehicle that was doing the first journey south this morning was having problems with it's doors this morning, as he had to come out of his cab twice to fiddle with the doors, outside my house!
Quote from: DJ on January 17, 2022, 04:33:27 PM
Getting a direct train from Wolves to Walsall, then changing on one up to Cannock, might be more appealing to some folk. It will almost certainly affect the 529 more though.
Yeah that's what I was aiming at. It's the idea that a "direct" bus takes an hour, so even with having to change trains you're going to have more people chose train over bus. And then *if* they start adding bits to the 70/71 to cover cuts to other routes, say even more of Cheslyn Hay, then it's gonna make it even worse
Depends if the train will be more reliable than the bus!
Quote from: Kevin on January 18, 2022, 06:57:11 AM
Yeah that's what I was aiming at. It's the idea that a "direct" bus takes an hour, so even with having to change trains you're going to have more people chose train over bus. And then *if* they start adding bits to the 70/71 to cover cuts to other routes, say even more of Cheslyn Hay, then it's gonna make it even worse
Out of all the Cannock services , the Cannock to wolves ones seem to have died an absolute death more than others for some reason. Only a couple of yeqrs ago they had pulsars allocated, and at one point the 70 ran every 20 mins. Now its hourly, dead, and run with sometimes extremely unreliable Solos. Its a shame
Quote from: Bob on January 18, 2022, 07:56:21 AM
Out of all the Cannock services , the Cannock to wolves ones seem to have died an absolute death more than others for some reason. Only a couple of yeqrs ago they had pulsars allocated, and at one point the 70 ran every 20 mins. Now its hourly, dead, and run with sometimes extremely unreliable Solos. Its a shame
It is a shame! The Wolves to Cannock corridor was once a very important one back in its day. You reckon the 154 had an impact on the 70/71?
Quote from: BusMan Greg on January 18, 2022, 08:42:33 AM
It is a shame! The Wolves to Cannock corridor was once a very important one back in its day. You reckon the 154 had an impact on the 70/71?
Doubt it it flopped lol
Quote from: Bob on January 18, 2022, 10:16:10 AM
Doubt it it flopped lol
Didn't exactly flop did it. The service was paid for by the I54 group, when funding finished so did the route.
The 70 frequency was only really artificially uplifted as an indirect competition against Select. Was only ever viable as an hourly service
Quote from: BN on January 18, 2022, 04:37:32 PM
Didn't exactly flop did it. The service was paid for by the I54 group, when funding finished so did the route.
Had it of been successful wouldnt it of been able to continue after the subsidy ended though?
On a different note, the pit stop cafe located at Delta Way depot has re-opened
Is the Pit Stop Cafe back with original proprietor ? Or under new ownership ?
Quote from: Vulcan on January 18, 2022, 10:07:20 PM
Is the Pit Stop Cafe back with original proprietor ? Or under new ownership ?
I couldn't tell you, they have a Facebook page up and running though
Quote from: Vulcan on January 18, 2022, 10:07:20 PM
Is the Pit Stop Cafe back with original proprietor ? Or under new ownership ?
Russ is back running it - same as before
Must admit I've been over that way many a time & never heard of it!
I presume it was on a Walsall served route at some point?
Solo 104 broke down on 74 and subsequently the 16.00 ( horrendously busy with college students normally) didnt run from Stafford. A Solo? On that trip, setiously. The full sized ( rare) single decker on there yesterday was standing room only right to the front of the bus 🤣
i cannot understand why the management keep some of these solos with all the problems that come with them , that 104 for one, is so unreliable its an embarrassment. Again today pye green ploughed with the full sized saloons whilst interurban busy routes have to endure cramped unreliable solos , or twin door small seating capacity ex London spec things.
The amount of lost mileage and revenue with these abortion solo heaps of scrap must be eye watering.
Shame as was kind of hoping chaserider would of been a better option for our area than the previous lot , sadly not, they are in desperate need of some decent sized capacity vehicles for the interurban work. Perhaps form a vehicle interworking allocation cycle of the 60/74/826/828 with some decent sized capacity vehicles, cramped small solos at school times is a joke on these routes.
Unless I've not noticed on the other thread, you don't hear anything about problems with Diamonds Solos, so wonder why both Arriva & Chaserider seem to have problems with their own?
Quote from: Westy on January 19, 2022, 10:07:31 PM
Unless I've not noticed on the other thread, you don't hear anything about problems with Diamonds Solos, so wonder why both Arriva & Chaserider seem to have problems with their own?
Most of diamonds solos are used on 50mph roads would be my first guess as to why they don't endure problems.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 19, 2022, 10:20:16 PM
Most of diamonds solos are used on 50mph roads would be my first guess as to why they don't endure problems.
Are they? Most of the routes they serve don't really go above 30mph.
Quote from: DJ on January 20, 2022, 12:25:32 AM
Are they? Most of the routes they serve don't really go above 30mph.
Sorry should have been not used on 50mph roads
Quote from: solonightrider on January 19, 2022, 10:01:50 PM
i cannot understand why the management keep some of these solos with all the problems that come with them , that 104 for one, is so unreliable its an embarrassment. Again today pye green ploughed with the full sized saloons whilst interurban busy routes have to endure cramped unreliable solos , or twin door small seating capacity ex London spec things.
The amount of lost mileage and revenue with these abortion solo heaps of scrap must be eye watering.
Shame as was kind of hoping chaserider would of been a better option for our area than the previous lot , sadly not, they are in desperate need of some decent sized capacity vehicles for the interurban work. Perhaps form a vehicle interworking allocation cycle of the 60/74/826/828 with some decent sized capacity vehicles, cramped small solos at school times is a joke on these routes.
Apparently a couple of long dead solos are about to be brought back to life
Quote from: Bob on January 20, 2022, 05:19:24 AM
Apparently a couple of long dead solos are about to be brought back to life
162 and 175 by any chance?
Haven't seen a Solo yet on that first 1 south this week!
2 mornings have been that ex airport thing I mentioned earlier!
Quote from: solonightrider on January 19, 2022, 10:01:50 PM
i cannot understand why the management keep some of these solos with all the problems that come with them , that 104 for one, is so unreliable its an embarrassment. Again today pye green ploughed with the full sized saloons whilst interurban busy routes have to endure cramped unreliable solos , or twin door small seating capacity ex London spec things.
The amount of lost mileage and revenue with these abortion solo heaps of scrap must be eye watering.
Shame as was kind of hoping chaserider would of been a better option for our area than the previous lot , sadly not, they are in desperate need of some decent sized capacity vehicles for the interurban work. Perhaps form a vehicle interworking allocation cycle of the 60/74/826/828 with some decent sized capacity vehicles, cramped small solos at school times is a joke on these routes.
It's worth remembering though that they took over in the height of the pandemic, passenger numbers have failed to return in any significant quantities & current funding does not make up for the losses bus companies are making on a daily basis. Plus funding is most likely to take another drop in 70 days time and as it stands at present there is no commitment from the dft to pay anything more than 90% encts payments.
In those circumstances most operators would struggle
Quote from: Steveminor on January 20, 2022, 09:39:24 AM
It's worth remembering though that they took over in the height of the pandemic, passenger numbers have failed to return in any significant quantities & current funding does not make up for the losses bus companies are making on a daily basis. Plus funding is most likely to take another drop in 70 days time and as it stands at present there is no commitment from the dft to pay anything more than 90% encts payments.
In those circumstances most operators would struggle
Couple this with the still-reluctance of many passengers to use public transport (potentially heightened by the removal of Plan B restrictions), then passenger numbers won't return to usual levels. Granted, working from home has now been lifted, though many businesses have found homeworking mutually beneficial to the and the workforce, again affecting the anticipated returning patronage.
Chaserider have still soldiered on (like many smaller bus companies) to provide a service - if it's hard for large companies, you can only imagine what it must be like for them.
Another 2hr gap btwn service on the 62 cannock to lich today due to a failed solo 🤷♂️ imagine if you relied on it
Looks like, according to Bustimes.org, the first 2 number 1's are running roughly 15 to 20 minutes late, so I've had to go round to the Bloxwich Road for a Walsall bus.
The first 1 on it's return journey, now seems to be 5 mins approx behind!
From the Staffordshire County Council website:
from 20 February
Chaserider routes
Service 3 (Cannock - Brownhills) will be cancelled. Staffordshire County Council will be tendering a replacement service and details will be added once known.
Service 60 (Cannock - Lichfield) will have a revised route and timetable. The stop by the Tesco store will no longer be served.
Service 62 (Cannock - Lichfield) will have a revised timetable. The Saturday service will be cancelled.
Service 63 (Cannock - Rugeley) will have a revised timetable.
Service 70 (Huntington - Wolverhampton) will have a revised timetable and a revised route in Wolverhampton city centre.
Service 71 (Huntington - Wolverhampton) will have a revised timetable and a revised route in Great Wyrley and Wolverhampton city centre.
Service 74 will have a revised route and timetable, operating between Stafford and Cannock only.
Services 826/828 (Stafford - Lichfield) will have a revised timetable. Service 826 will operate Monday to Friday only with a slight route change around Kingston Hill.
Service 827 (Stafford - Baswich) will be cancelled.
Interesting to see who'll take over the 3.
Surely it's a toss up between a straight replacement by Select, or National Express incorporating it into another route?
Quote from: Westy on January 24, 2022, 12:39:08 PM
Interesting to see who'll take over the 3.
Surely it's a toss up between a straight replacement by Select, or National Express incorporating it into another route?
Or Chaserider
I wonder what the replacement will be, obviously SCC have decided that the 3, in it's current form, isn't sustainable!
Quote from: BusMan Greg on January 24, 2022, 02:12:27 PM
I wonder what the replacement will be, obviously SCC have decided that the 3, in it's current form, isn't sustainable!
No it's Chaserider that have decided that it isn't sustainable, that is why SCC are putting a tender out.
Quote from: Tony on January 24, 2022, 02:36:20 PM
No it's Chaserider that have decided that it isn't sustainable, that is why SCC are putting a tender out.
Never really got that.
The original operator decides it's unsustainable, so it goes to tender, but somehow it's low enough or acceptable enough to the authority for the original operator to win it!
I'm sure
@Tony will explain as he normally does though!
Quote from: Westy on January 24, 2022, 03:31:12 PM
so it goes to tender, but somehow it's low enough or acceptable enough to the authority for the original operator to win it!
Presumably they weren't undercut by another operator. If other operators bid for it.
e.g. TFWM site says Thandi won the 424 on lowest tender £3, 360 per week.
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/media/mfsg20lr/september-2021.pdf
Quote from: Tony on January 24, 2022, 12:44:42 PM
Or Chaserider
Maybe only chaserider submitted a bid
Something of interest for everyone. A recent FOI was sent in to Staffordshire Council regarding S106 funding from the Persimmon Homes 'Norton Meadows' development. The council state that
QuoteA new service will be provided from 21st February using the S106 funding, but this will have to serve the development as condition of the S106 i.e. it will not be service 3, but a new service from that date that replaces service 3.
The replacement for route 3 will have a change of route.
Quote from: IMarkeh on January 25, 2022, 01:20:26 AM
Something of interest for everyone. A recent FOI was sent in to Staffordshire Council regarding S106 funding from the Persimmon Homes 'Norton Meadows' development. The council state that
The replacement for route 3 will have a change of route.
Hopefully that means a more sensible and perhaps direct route to Cannock, because let's face it the current 3 is hardly an appealing prospect.
Unfortunately, as with most S106 funding, it will probably end up being a completely non-sensical route or just tacking that development onto the current 3
Quote from: Westy on January 24, 2022, 07:21:10 AM
Looks like, according to Bustimes.org, the first 2 number 1's are running roughly 15 to 20 minutes late, so I've had to go round to the Bloxwich Road for a Walsall bus.
The first 1 on it's return journey, now seems to be 5 mins approx behind!
This morning, again running roughly 7 to 10 minutes late, by which time, I'd gone round to Bloxwich Road, but noticing on Bustimes.org, that it managed to get into Walsall only a minute late!
Again, looking at 199's return journey back to Cannock, it was roughly back on time!
Quote from: Westy on January 25, 2022, 07:12:26 AM
This morning, again running roughly 7 to 10 minutes late, by which time, I'd gone round to Bloxwich Road, but noticing on Bustimes.org, that it managed to get into Walsall only a minute late!
Again, looking at 199's return journey back to Cannock, it was roughly back on time!
Had a reply back from them.
Blaming fault on the specified vehicle basically!
Centrebus Dart 555 is destined for Cannock, its currently on loan at Leicester!
The last Dart in the Centrebus fleet. Bound to end up at Chaserider or Select me thinks.
The way they allocate vehicles is crazy, 2 tired Solos on the busy 74s todqy while volvos streetlites etc run around empty on pye greens/71s
Quote from: Bob on February 01, 2022, 06:06:55 PM
The way they allocate vehicles is crazy, 2 tired Solos on the busy 74s todqy while volvos streetlites etc run around empty on pye greens/71s
I got that ex airport thing again on the 1st 1 down!
In fact seem to get it most mornings currently!
Quote from: Westy on February 01, 2022, 07:04:58 PM
I got that ex airport thing again on the 1st 1 down!
In fact seem to get it most mornings currently!
Think unless theyve been upseated thdyve got around similar or less seating to a solo SR
I'm surprised nothing's been mentioned on the website about the up coming changes on the 20th! Their leaving it a bit late
I seen YJ54 CEN (Centrebus learner commander) on the New Road in Featherstone. It went back to Centrebus months ago apparently so I wonder what it's doing back
im pretty sure thats been parked at Select for a few weeks now was certainly there yesterday as saw a pic of it at the depot
From their website:
Changes to services from 20th February 2022
Service 1
Some journeys will be retimed.
One journey per hour will be renumbered '1A' and will divert via Cheslyn Hay.
All journeys will divert via Delta Way, Longford Road and Avon Road in Cannock.
Service 60
Most journeys will be retimed.
Buses will no longer call at the stop in the grounds of Hawks Green Tesco but will continue to serve stops close by on Hayes Way.
Service 62
Most journeys will be retimed, running up to 15 minutes later.
Some late afternoon and all Saturday journeys will be withdrawn due to low passenger numbers.
Service 63
Most journeys will be retimed, running up to 15 minutes later.
Service 70
Most journeys will be retimed.
Buses will operate to a revised route in Wolverhampton City Centre, serving Stafford Street and Broad Street only.
Service 71
Most journeys will be retimed.
Buses will operate to a revised route in Wolverhampton City Centre, serving Stafford Street and Broad Street only.
Buses will operate via a revised route in Great Wyrley at peak times to improve reliability.
Service 74
Most journeys will be retimed.
Some evening journeys will be withdrawn due to low passenger numbers.
Buses will no longer run between Cannock and Cheslyn Hay, but services 70 and 71 will continue to provide a journey up to every 30 minutes.
New service 1A will link Avon Road in Cannock with Cheslyn Hay.
Service 826
Most journeys will be retimed.
Some evening journeys will be withdrawn due to low passenger numbers.
Service 827
This service will be withdrawn due to low passenger numbers.
Service 826 will continue to provide an hourly service between Stafford and Baswich, and service 74 will continue to provide a half-hourly service between Stafford and Weeping Cross.
Service 828
Most journeys will be retimed.
Some evening journeys will be withdrawn due to low passenger numbers.
Buses will operate via Weston Road and Blackheath Lane in Stafford instead of Hydrant Way and Tixall Road.
services retimed,, is that to allow all the solos time to break down mid journey then on the routes they are unsuitable for :-)
Still no Saturday service on the 1!
The fast and direct USP of the 1 not been a success then?
Quote from: Bob on February 03, 2022, 11:06:16 PM
The fast and direct USP of the 1 not been a success then?
They'll probably have to change that destination display then!
Quote from: solonightrider on February 03, 2022, 10:30:42 PM
services retimed,, is that to allow all the solos time to break down mid journey then on the routes they are unsuitable for :-)
Either Bob has an alias or he's recruiting Solo haters
Quote from: Capitalpotter on February 04, 2022, 11:47:18 AM
Either Bob has an alias or he's recruiting Solo haters
Nope not me. But 12-14 yr old Solos that arent in the best of states are pretty unsuitable for interurban services, even Lets Go can do better than that
But if passenger numbers are so low they're unlikely to put a single decker on a route. They're there to make a profit. More passengers more profit. More profit better buses. It's a simple equation
Quote from: Bob on February 04, 2022, 12:36:39 PM
Nope not me. But 12-14 yr old Solos that arent in the best of states are pretty unsuitable for interurban services, even Lets Go can do better than that
Do you want some mellors then? It's clear that vehicles bigger than a solo aren't required.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 04, 2022, 04:56:15 PM
Do you want some mellors then? It's clear that vehicles bigger than a solo aren't required.
Try telling that to Students left behind in Stafford.
Quote from: Tony on February 04, 2022, 05:09:47 PM
Try telling that to Students left behind in Stafford.
Exactly that!
Quote from: BusMan Greg on February 03, 2022, 08:56:51 PM
Service 70
Most journeys will be retimed.
Buses will operate to a revised route in Wolverhampton City Centre, serving Stafford Street and Broad Street only.
Service 71
Most journeys will be retimed.
Buses will operate to a revised route in Wolverhampton City Centre, serving Stafford Street and Broad Street only.
Buses will operate via a revised route in Great Wyrley at peak times to improve reliability.
Managed decline. Slowly make it less convenient for passengers to alight in Wolverhampton. Next thing these will drop down in frequency because people can't travel where they want to go to in town and so will stop using the bus or use competitors.
Quote from: BusMan Greg on February 03, 2022, 08:56:51 PM
Service 828
Most journeys will be retimed.
Some evening journeys will be withdrawn due to low passenger numbers.
Buses will operate via Weston Road and Blackheath Lane in Stafford instead of Hydrant Way and Tixall Road.
Unless they are being funded for this diversion, this is a managed decline. Why serve housing estates when you can bypass them and serve no one.
I know D&G are poor but I never, ever expected them to get this bad. It's no wonder numbers are so low when there are huge changes every month and as we know from experience and from comments here, the few buses that they do run are very poor.
I think it's getting to a point where I have to sit and wonder, will Chaserider even see Christmas? Huge cuts, dismal bus operation which is an embarrassment. Can't keep drivers for love nor money. Sooner they sack off the bus network and leave, the better.
Why on earth would any business want to participate in 'managed decline'? Don't you think that if a bus operator didn't want to run something then they would just cancel it? This idea of running a service into the ground over time so as to eventually withdraw from it is a load of twaddle as it just doesn't happen.
You may not like what bus companies do, but as an 'armchair spotter' I'm sure you have a wealth of experience to dispense sage advice on how to fix all of the issues!!
Managed decline was a concept British Rail used a lot. Divert services away, run remaining ones at the wrong times, then say the line was uneconomic and should close. But a private company would have no reason to do that. I have no experience of D&G in their own area. Is it really a poor company? It's been going for many years.
I use the 74 fairly regularly and can honestly say I have not experienced the 'crap' service that Chaserider are portrayed as giving on this site. I've yet to ride on a smelly filthy dirty one, rattly yes but smelly no.
IMarketh writes 'Sooner they sack off the bus network and leave, the better' I ask him to tell me who is going to take over the 74 and 826 services out of Stafford, obviously he lives in an area where there are already other providers and couldn't care less. Does anyone really think that NXWM or First are going to come in for them, nuts.
Yes they do sometimes use vehicles that are too small at busy times, especially on the 74 and yes their buses are on the whole old second, third or maybe 4th hand but they run them. They've tried to introduce new services but have had to pull the plug because of poor patronage. Perhaps the critics could run for council and try to introduce a tax on everybody to run the services with the quality of vehicles they allude to, fat bloody chance.
Constructive criticism is good for any company but constant knocking, no way.
the 70&71 services must suffer delays unless they dont pick anyone up in the town & thats the reason for the change
Remember that drivers may still be off due to COVID, same with pax numbers.
Wasn't there talk of looking at the competition rules, to make it easier for the likes of NX to take over the smaller areas?
If D & G / Chaserider can't make this work, surely this will be the only way to keep a decent bus service?
(Mods - If this deserves a new topic, then move it)
In reply to Grinders points raised , these facts are very true
On a recent TV discussion it were stated that
in Yorkshire annual public money spent per head is £350 approx
In London it's £ 850 plus approx
I doubt that rural Staffordshire even spends as much as Yorks
NX in the old WM County received far far more subsidy off the
metropolitan councils which obviously provides funding for fleet improvements & more services with
more favourable fares.
Routes must be used or lost !
Moderator Request
This topic is for discussing the bus operator Chaserider and their services/operations.
They are not the only bus operator in the Cannock area, nor in the wider Staffordshire county.
If people want to discuss bus service provision and issues in the Staffordshire area, I would recommend someone starts a new topic for that purpose, rather than using this topic.
Thank you all.
Quote from: ContainsNuts on February 04, 2022, 09:07:13 PM
Why on earth would any business want to participate in 'managed decline'? Don't you think that if a bus operator didn't want to run something then they would just cancel it? This idea of running a service into the ground over time so as to eventually withdraw from it is a load of twaddle as it just doesn't happen.
You may not like what bus companies do, but as an 'armchair spotter' I'm sure you have a wealth of experience to dispense sage advice on how to fix all of the issues!!
Why an operator would do it, because if they kill all of the demand, no one else will want to take over and it keeps their area pretty stable. Arriva have done this a good few times. If a competitor was to take over the route which they were dropping, it would affect other routes revenue along their key corridor so kill the demand. The main corridor was covered and had spare capacity so the costs relied upon the area of the route which was exclusive to that route. They weren't fussed about it and so they wanted it gone but because of the main flows from the exclusive area to the town involved their main corridor, they didn't want someone else to take it and risk the competition on the key corridor.
You are in denial if you think it doesn't happen and especially at some places, it happens more than it should.
If I am just an 'armchair spotter', go on, prove that what they are doing is saving the business. Because you can see it isn't. Moving the 826 out of the housing estate to bypass it saving no time at all but losing out on potential passengers. Yes, that's a growth tactic isn't it?! Not!
Quote from: Grinder on February 05, 2022, 09:27:39 AM
I use the 74 fairly regularly and can honestly say I have not experienced the 'crap' service that Chaserider are portrayed as giving on this site. I've yet to ride on a smelly filthy dirty one, rattly yes but smelly no.
IMarketh writes 'Sooner they sack off the bus network and leave, the better' I ask him to tell me who is going to take over the 74 and 826 services out of Stafford, obviously he lives in an area where there are already other providers and couldn't care less. Does anyone really think that NXWM or First are going to come in for them, nuts.
Yes they do sometimes use vehicles that are too small at busy times, especially on the 74 and yes their buses are on the whole old second, third or maybe 4th hand but they run them. They've tried to introduce new services but have had to pull the plug because of poor patronage. Perhaps the critics could run for council and try to introduce a tax on everybody to run the services with the quality of vehicles they allude to, fat bloody chance.
Constructive criticism is good for any company but constant knocking, no way.
I think you must be lucky with not having a bad experience. My experiences were dismal, never again. Dirty and falling apart.
Services can and would be taken over because one mans dust is another mans gold. Companies will take stuff on if it's left. Until the time comes, none of us know who would or wouldn't step up to the plate. If there is money to be made, someone would turn up.
As for your later comment about running for council, I'd love to but I like voicing my opinion and others dislike that (as proven here). Too many kiss backsides and I am certainly not one of them. If someone (in this instance D&G/Chaserider) is in the wrong, I will tell them. IF you want to sit there thinking D&G/Chaserider are doing the right thing all of the time here, you're deluded. With first hand experience and a number of contacts, Chaserider is going down hill and to be fair, so is D&G so it's unsurprising. I've been on cowboy operators with higher standards than Chaserider and that is saying something!
You can tell even half the drivers don't care anymore with their earphones in and no customer service skills. And yet.... And Yet..... when the same drivers move up the road to Select, they are like different people. Chatty, helpful, I don't think I saw earphones.
Centrebus Solo 260 on Pye Green 26 this morning.
Someone has put a survey online about the loss of the 62 on Saturdays!
They had two buses missing on 74 today the 12.17 and 12.47 from cannock to stafford didnt run. 2 breakdowns on the 841 and a 74 bus was taken off to cover. Made me late for work. Looks like the 15.25 from Stafford isnt running either. The 4om one already gets rammed 🤷♂️
Centrebus Dart 555 still at Leicester and appears not to be in use.
It was in Stafford today on the 74 ...
Centrebus E200 MH07HTC in service this morning noted in Stafford.
2 hour gaps in service today on the 70 and 62, due to the wonderfully suitable Solos lol
And buses missing on the 74
How come the Traffic Commissioner isn't picking up on all these lost mileages ?
Quote from: Vulcan on February 18, 2022, 07:46:50 PM
How come the Traffic Commissioner isn't picking up on all these lost mileages ?
How would they find out?
Quote from: Bob on February 19, 2022, 11:42:17 AM
How would they find out?
Anyone can email the Traffic Commissioner if they wish.
enquiries@otc.gov.uk
2hr gap on the 63 btwn Cannock and Rugeley between 3.45 and t.45pm yesterday too. The replacement bus ( recently transferred in Centrebus Dart) managed one trip to Rugeley and broke down as well
Destination display on the 1 is no longer reading 'Fast To Walsall ' 'Fast To Cannock '.
60 is now standalone with the 74 interworking with the 826/828. Which will work better Imo
Quote from: BusMan Greg on February 21, 2022, 11:36:50 AM
60 is now standalone with the 74 interworking with the 826/828. Which will work better Imo
Surprised with all the complaints they received over the years, Arriva didn't try that themselves?
Quote from: BusMan Greg on February 21, 2022, 11:36:50 AM
60 is now standalone with the 74 interworking with the 826/828. Which will work better Imo
Looks like the 60s now a solo haven. 3 of the 4 buses on there today are Solos
Solos on 60 surely that's asking for trouble IMO
Quote from: Westy on February 21, 2022, 12:29:17 PM
Surprised with all the complaints they received over the years, Arriva didn't try that themselves?
Arriva did try it, but that was when both 74 and 825 terminated at the Hospital. I feel its going to be better as it takes less time to complete a 74 than it does a 60. So if there are delays, it is less likely drivers will go over their driving hours. Again, this is just my opinion. It could make no difference what so ever
Quote from: BusMan Greg on February 21, 2022, 08:42:11 PM
Arriva did try it, but that was when both 74 and 825 terminated at the Hospital. I feel its going to be better as it takes less time to complete a 74 than it does a 60. So if there are delays, it is less likely drivers will go over their driving hours. Again, this is just my opinion. It could make no difference what so ever
Hopefully more full sized buses on the 74 as well. That Scania hasnt been out in 3 weeks, heard it got PG9'd at Lichfield and put on a recovery truck
Are those ex airport things appearing on any other route than the 1 / 1a?
Very rare I see a Solo now!
The new timetable guides have now started appearing, but if buses are going to operate both Cannock & Stafford related services, why don't they put both area guides on the same vehicle?
Case in point, the 1a I caught from Bloxwich down to my house tonight, had 4 Stafford guides left, which obviously don't include the Walsall services.
Why don't they combine both areas into one guide by the way?
Edit: Managed to get some Cannock guides this morning!
The first no 1 didn't appear this morning!
841 service broke down in Hixon being towed away
On a similar note to my posting about the quality of journeys, yesterday I travelled on a Chaserider service for the first time since the takeover from Arriva, I had walked from Wolverhampton garage to Heathtown to catch the 9 to Bloxwich and the train home, but the first bus to come was a 71. Yes it was a Solo on an inter-urban route 178 in the advert livery, here it is when I got off in Cannock Bus Station http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/2406a.html.
The bus was running on time, I took the last double seat, so a reasonable number of passengers, the bus rode well, sounded healthy enough and was of good condition inside. The driver drove professionally and smoothly and there was a stock of the Cannock map & timetable leaflets available to take in the rack. I took one and it is excellent quality, so my experience of Chaserider is far from some people's on here it seams.
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2022, 05:46:40 PM
On a similar note to my posting about the quality of journeys, yesterday I travelled on a Chaserider service for the first time since the takeover from Arriva, I had walked from Wolverhampton garage to Heathtown to catch the 9 to Bloxwich and the train home, but the first bus to come was a 71. Yes it was a Solo on an inter-urban route 178 in the advert livery, here it is when I got off in Cannock Bus Station http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/2406a.html.
The bus was running on time, I took the last double seat, so a reasonable number of passengers, the bus rode well, sounded healthy enough and was of good condition inside. The driver drove professionally and smoothly and there was a stock of the Cannock map & timetable leaflets available to take in the rack. I took one and it is excellent quality, so my experience of Chaserider is far from some people's on here it seams.
Would've been interesting to know if that 9 you would've caught would've been on time!
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2022, 05:46:40 PM
On a similar note to my posting about the quality of journeys, yesterday I travelled on a Chaserider service for the first time since the takeover from Arriva, I had walked from Wolverhampton garage to Heathtown to catch the 9 to Bloxwich and the train home, but the first bus to come was a 71. Yes it was a Solo on an inter-urban route 178 in the advert livery, here it is when I got off in Cannock Bus Station http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/2406a.html.
The bus was running on time, I took the last double seat, so a reasonable number of passengers, the bus rode well, sounded healthy enough and was of good condition inside. The driver drove professionally and smoothly and there was a stock of the Cannock map & timetable leaflets available to take in the rack. I took one and it is excellent quality, so my experience of Chaserider is far from some people's on here it seams.
Was it the one with e leather seating?
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2022, 05:46:40 PM
On a similar note to my posting about the quality of journeys, yesterday I travelled on a Chaserider service for the first time since the takeover from Arriva, I had walked from Wolverhampton garage to Heathtown to catch the 9 to Bloxwich and the train home, but the first bus to come was a 71. Yes it was a Solo on an inter-urban route 178 in the advert livery, here it is when I got off in Cannock Bus Station http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/2406a.html.
The bus was running on time, I took the last double seat, so a reasonable number of passengers, the bus rode well, sounded healthy enough and was of good condition inside. The driver drove professionally and smoothly and there was a stock of the Cannock map & timetable leaflets available to take in the rack. I took one and it is excellent quality, so my experience of Chaserider is far from some people's on here it seams.
Question
@Tony - you caught 178 in Cannock Chase Radio wrap. What did you think of the overall advertising? Was it clear enough for you to get the information you need to tune in and would it have persuaded you to do so?
I saw the same bus at around 16.20 in Heath Town, parked just before the shops/Church (and not in the layby, strangely).
Quote from: Wumpty on March 10, 2022, 07:38:48 AM
Question @Tony - you caught 178 in Cannock Chase Radio wrap. What did you think of the overall advertising? Was it clear enough for you to get the information you need to tune in and would it have persuaded you to do so?
I saw the same bus at around 16.20 in Heath Town, parked just before the shops/Church (and not in the layby, strangely).
There's 2, 179 as well. I think the advertising certainly comes across easily to what they are advertising. We already do listen to the station occasionaly
Further to Tony's observations in an earlier message , I spent a couple of hours at Cannock Bus Station earlier this week and although I have no idea whether any services were missed out or running late, the Chaserider fleet looked tidy overall , yes there were some older buses running about - better than no bus ?? And it looks if efforts are being made to introduce newer buses.
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2022, 05:46:40 PM
On a similar note to my posting about the quality of journeys, yesterday I travelled on a Chaserider service for the first time since the takeover from Arriva, I had walked from Wolverhampton garage to Heathtown to catch the 9 to Bloxwich and the train home, but the first bus to come was a 71. Yes it was a Solo on an inter-urban route 178 in the advert livery, here it is when I got off in Cannock Bus Station http://wmbusphotos.com/Arriva/2406a.html.
The bus was running on time, I took the last double seat, so a reasonable number of passengers, the bus rode well, sounded healthy enough and was of good condition inside. The driver drove professionally and smoothly and there was a stock of the Cannock map & timetable leaflets available to take in the rack. I took one and it is excellent quality, so my experience of Chaserider is far from some people's on here it seams.
Try being a passenger on pye greens today. Brreakdowns galore, bus stuck halfway on the route broken down, another bus got took off there this morning to cover another breakdown and 606 has broken down that was supposed to replace another breakdown! Its sat dead in the bus stn. Theyre planning to take a vus off the 60 to try and put it on the pye greens, which will please soaking wet passengers waiting for that. Driver reckoned theres no spare buses either
Another broken down SR solo blocking burns st in chadsmoor. Imagine having to rely on them daily. Even the driver who couldnt get 606 to start said it was embarrassing, cos that was supposed to replace a breakdown 🤣
At this rate, when will they be able to get those ex airport buses upseated?
Quote from: Westy on March 16, 2022, 04:48:13 PM
At this rate, when will they be able to get those ex airport buses upseated?
One of thems been out of use for a bit
178 broke down on Hill Street on the 62 just after 2pm, my wife saw it when she was walking home from the station, it's still there causing over 1 mile of traffic jam 3 hours later when I have just walked home
An Urban broke down in Stafford earlier on the 74. It was good the 875 was just pulling round the corner so I could get back to Cannock that way. Anyone noticed the new interior stickers they've been applying? They look smart tbf
Quote from: Tony on March 16, 2022, 05:17:51 PM
178 broke down on Hill Street on the 62 just after 2pm, my wife saw it when she was walking home from the station, it's still there causing over 1 mile of traffic jam 3 hours later when I have just walked home
There were two Solos had to be towed in off pye greens, not sure about 606, it was still dumped in bus stn neqrly two hours later. Yes breakdowns happen,but considering its a small fleet with many irregular services , like the 62, well not irregular, just low frequency, the effects,are felt a lot more than on say the 51, X51, 31, 32 ,4 etc . It would be poor at best if you rey on them for work, most of their google reviews are horrific
Oh and a dual door Streetlite also broke down on the 26 yesterday morning. Volvo 196 sounded like it had got a blown exhaust yesterday in Cannock, could hear it roar a mile off lol. Thought it was a Leyland Leopard pulling out the bus stn 🤣
According to bus times, ( although obvs this isnt ever 100 perc accurqte) incl about 6 breakdowns yesterday, theyve got about 16 or 17 buses VOR at the moment out of a fleet of about 50. How can they be covering scheduled journeys? Passengers at the bus station were slating them for how poor they are yesterday. Trouble is cos theyre so unreliable, less people will use them, they wont attract new passengers, and theyll lose existing customers. These things can become self fulfilling prophecies sometimes cant they?
They've actually got 5 VOR at present. Some are off road for a few days for servicing.
Quote from: Capitalpotter on March 17, 2022, 09:50:55 AM
They've actually got 5 VOR at present. Some are off road for a few days for servicing.
Plus yesterdays breakdowns? On volvo 195 on tge 74 to work, sounds like its got a blown exhaust
It absolutely stinks of fumes inside
Funnily enough that was the last journey 195 managed today
Looks like a 2hr gap between 16.10 & 18.10 Brownhills to Cannock on the 3
Any idea why Metrocity (YJ16 D**) has just come along Thornbridge Avenue in Perry Beeches? Bit far for from Cannock?
Quote from: Jack on March 26, 2022, 06:42:13 PM
Any idea why Metrocity (YJ16 D**) has just come along Thornbridge Avenue in Perry Beeches? Bit far for from Cannock?
Rail Replacement I think
Quote from: Jack on March 26, 2022, 06:42:13 PM
Any idea why Metrocity (YJ16 D**) has just come along Thornbridge Avenue in Perry Beeches? Bit far for from Cannock?
144 and 169 were on rail replacement today between Birmingham New Street and Tame Bridge Parkway.
Looks like they are doing some 'live' route learning, as there was 3 members of staff on the first 1 down today.
2 drivers, plus a senior driver/supervisor showing them the route!
Looks like theyve lost a couple of the newer E200s and replaced at least one with a 57 plate Solo. The quality just keeps improving 🤣
Quote from: Bob on March 29, 2022, 09:48:38 AM
Looks like theyve lost a couple of the newer E200s and replaced at least one with a 57 plate Solo. The quality just keeps improving 🤣
Have they?
They've all had new uniform's plus new interior stickers on the buses. They look really smart ngl
Quote from: BusMan Greg on March 29, 2022, 09:43:42 PM
They've all had new uniform's plus new interior stickers on the buses. They look really smart ngl
The bloke on 74 earlier was wearing a arriva uniform lol
From the 11th April Chaserider's fare's are changing. They are going to be offering a multi operator network ticket valid on Select and Midland Classic for £5.70 (Adult) and £4.10 (Child). They are also getting rid of the current 'Cannock and Stafford' zone tickets with the introduction of new 'bargain' zones in Stafford, Cannock, and Lichfield.
SoCannock to Stafford and back is going up by £1.50??? Christ that'll entice passengers lol
Must admit I was considering a trip to Penkridge Market, basically for a change, while I'm on a break from work after tomorrow.
Under the old system, Penkridge was under the Cannock zone wasn't it?
(Must admit I'm struggling to find a reason to go to Cannock or anywhere at the moment, thanks to this ####.
Basically I've lost my mojo!)
Quote from: BusMan Greg on April 04, 2022, 06:43:56 PMFrom the 11th April Chaserider's fare's are changing. They are going to be offering a multi operator network ticket valid on Select and Midland Classic for £5.70 (Adult) and £4.10 (Child). They are also getting rid of the current 'Cannock and Stafford' zone tickets with the introduction of new 'bargain' zones in Stafford, Cannock, and Lichfield.
I did a post on Next Door about this, & some woman replied, saying her husband works for Chaserider & he didn't know about this!
No.1 and another unidentified white e200 probably No.2 working for Centrebus Leicester on a Leicester university open day shuttle service.
144 - YJ64 DWK on the 60 this afternoon, looks like it is a new addition this month with a V5 issued on 4/4/22
Quote from: Tony on April 20, 2022, 06:13:22 PM144 - YJ64 DWK on the 60 this afternoon, looks like it is a new addition this month with a V5 issued on 4/4/22
It was on Tame Bridge Parkway to Birmingham New Street rail reps on the 26th and 27th of March.
Busway branded Solar 748 is on the 74/826 today. Left Cannock at 11:32 to Stafford tracking as 187.
66 was broken down today on the Western Road. Seen it between half 1 and 2 with it's bonnet open. According to Bustimes it did the 11.10 841 to Uttoxeter which got as far as the traffic lights by the gym in Stafford near the Hospital (Western Rd)
Haven't seen 149 for a few weeks on the 1.
Has it finally gone for a refurb & a repaint?
167 is back out, on the 70/71 today
62 axed from june
Quote from: Bob on May 05, 2022, 05:20:19 PM62 axed from june
Got told that earlier. Presumably the 71 will go at the same time as well if the rumors are true
It's been confirmed via Vosa, 71 and 62 are going. 1/1A have also been re-regestered
Ooooh errrr. Wont be much left of the network lol
I thought the 71 was tendered?
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 05, 2022, 07:28:01 PMI thought the 71 was tendered?
Commerical, they had it off Select last June as part of a deal. Select to have the 7/8/8A, in return Chaserider get the 71.
Quote from: BusMan Greg on May 05, 2022, 08:28:55 PMCommerical, they had it off Select last June as part of a deal. Select to have the 7/8/8A, in return Chaserider get the 71.
In return Chaserider ruin tbe 71 with regular two hour gaps in service, more breakdowns than select ever had when they ran it, a daft extension to huntington and timekeeping out the window, lol
Quote from: Bob on May 05, 2022, 08:31:43 PMIn return Chaserider ruin tbe 71 with regular two hour gaps in service, more breakdowns than select ever had when they ran it, a daft extension to huntington and timekeeping out the window, lol
The Huntington extension was a daft idea if you ask me
Quote from: BusMan Greg on May 05, 2022, 08:59:44 PMThe Huntington extension was a daft idea if you ask me
Yea sometimes it terminates in Cannock when its late. Theyre changing the 70 in june as well aint they
Observation now.
(If the mods think it has merit as a separate thread, then move it, but as it happens on a Chaserider bus, I thought this would be the best place!)
Why do people with mobile phone passes seem to think any red bus will accept their NXWM ticket?
Twice this happened this morning on the 1 & it does happen regularly.
Are they thick?
Quote from: Westy on May 19, 2022, 07:03:40 AMObservation now.
(If the mods think it has merit as a separate thread, then move it, but as it happens on a Chaserider bus, I thought this would be the best place!)
Why do people with mobile phone passes seem to think any red bus will accept their NXWM ticket?
Twice this happened this morning on the 1 & it does happen regularly.
Are they thick?
It's been the same for years, I remember being on a rail replacement bus and we was coming through Erdington and people were flagging the bus down. They assume any bus they see is 'their' bus
Quote from: Westy on May 19, 2022, 07:03:40 AMObservation now.
(If the mods think it has merit as a separate thread, then move it, but as it happens on a Chaserider bus, I thought this would be the best place!)
Why do people with mobile phone passes seem to think any red bus will accept their NXWM ticket?
Twice this happened this morning on the 1 & it does happen regularly.
Are they thick?
People regularly try and those NX tickets (M tickets/Monthly NX passes which say Swift on them/Paper Daysaver) on other operators. I think also since NXWM have such a large monopoly across the West Midlands, some poeple aren't aware they can't use it on those operators I think.
Discount Travel used to charge a 50p extra with NX passes, which went up to £1 in April 2022 according to the notices on the buses.
Just today I had a passenger attempt to board my obviously not NX bus using some sort of NXWM m-ticket.
Happens all the time. They know they can't use it. They try it anyway.
Quote from: MW on May 20, 2022, 09:42:41 PMJust today I had a passenger attempt to board my obviously not NX bus using some sort of NXWM m-ticket.
Happens all the time. They know they can't use it. They try it anyway.
You can get 1 and 4 week nBus tickets on the NXWM app though, it's worth keeping that in mind, as it can be a valid ticket despite being on the NX app.
Quote from: DJ on May 21, 2022, 10:15:46 AMYou can get 1 and 4 week nBus tickets on the NXWM app though, it's worth keeping that in mind, as it can be a valid ticket despite being on the NX app.
As far as I'm aware, if there's no 'n' logo visible, it's not an nbus.
Is that the case?
Quote from: DJ on May 21, 2022, 10:15:46 AMYou can get 1 and 4 week nBus tickets on the NXWM app though, it's worth keeping that in mind, as it can be a valid ticket despite being on the NX app.
I had noticed, the next stop down from me, a lady used to get on the bus with a phone app, that showed a big WM in the middle of the screen, which I guess is supposed to show the difference between NX only & TfWM enabled pass.
She regulary had trouble getting the Chaserider driver to accept it was a valid pass.
(Keep in mind, back in the pandemic days & I started to catch the Diamond 326 to Willenhall, due to job change, plus I couldn't renew my normal pass, so I ended up having a daliy NBus Walsall ticket instead, which gave me the option to come back via Walsall if needed. Note said ticket is printed on Diamond branded paper, but does say NBus on it.
Also note, when showing the NX driver on the 529 etc, pointing out & saying it was an Nbus ticket despite it being on Diamond branded paper, made no difference.
Going back to my issue, when I came back on the 326 to Bloxwich, no problem, but there was normally an Arriva 2 that went down my road, not long after the 326 got to Bloxwich, so I thought, save the walk & catch the bus.
Gets on the 2 & shows the driver the ticket.
'Not valid here mate'
'It's an Nbus'
He eventually let me on, but most of the time I ended up getting off the 326 the stop before, by the railway station, & walking along Elmore Green Road instead! I did have a moan to both Arriva & TfWM about it at the time, but got nowhere. 'It's just one of those things' !)
Back to the lady previously mentioned.
I've now noticed she's now started paying for a Nbus ticket with cash, so either she's had a change in routine like me, or got fed up of explaining to the Chaserider driver about the validity of her pass.
I still think Cannock drivers have a problem recognising a valid NBus ticket, unless it's on their own branding.
If there is a Cannock driver on here, who would like to comment, I would like to hear the reply.
Got 162 into Cannock this morning on a 70. Only been back in service a few days. Got a lot faster since I last went on it lol
Quote from: BusMan Greg on May 23, 2022, 07:31:26 AMGot 162 into Cannock this morning on a 70. Only been back in service a few days. Got a lot faster since I last went on it lol
I was on that last year when it broke down on m6 island on way to wolves, then it got started again after about 15 mins limped into wolves then expired and got towed. Think its been out of use for nearly a year 🤣
Former Centrebus 669 is now Painted into Chaserider livery
Chaserider pushing the Lichfield Bower on Facebook, bearing in mind, the Saturday (2 days earlier than normal, as the actual end of May/start of June Bank Holidays this year are Thursday & Friday, due to the Platinum Jubilee!), they are actually operating on the Saturday, unlike the other 3 days, so people(well most people!) can use public transport to get there.
Is it true that 162, 166, 167 & 168 all have USB power now?
Also what's going on with 555?
Quote from: BusManStephen on May 25, 2022, 08:09:03 AMIs it true that 162, 166, 167 & 168 all have USB power now?
Also what's going on with 555?
162 and 168 at least already had it
Quote from: Bob on May 25, 2022, 08:31:25 AM162 and 168 at least already had it
Did it ever work? lol
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on May 25, 2022, 08:37:44 AMDid it ever work? lol
Not sure lol. Has 555 disappeared then? 99 aint been out in over a month lol
Mark Fitchew's latest blog has details of his trip on some of the affected services.
132's a bit of a state, took the driver 5 mins to get it started tonight on the 25, making a right racket and vibrates terrible idling. Didnt 132/133 get debranded sent to Stoke who swiftly returned them due to the state of them? 😜
Quote from: Bob on May 26, 2022, 07:17:08 PM132's a bit of a state, took the driver 5 mins to get it started tonight on the 25, making a right racket and vibrates terrible idling. Didnt 132/133 get debranded sent to Stoke who swiftly returned them due to the state of them? 😜
Explains why 133 was debranded and it hasn't even been rebranded yet, could do with a few touch ups to be honest. Prefer 132 out of 133, feels like a better ride on a passengers point of view
Anyone by any means have the old Arriva cannock fleet list I could look at? It would be greatly appreciated
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on May 27, 2022, 09:21:46 AMExplains why 133 was debranded and it hasn't even been rebranded yet, could do with a few touch ups to be honest. Prefer 132 out of 133, feels like a better ride on a passengers point of view
Neither of em are up to much lol
Quote from: Bob on May 27, 2022, 10:44:24 AMNeither of em are up to much lol
133 broke down yesterday on the 1/1A's so deffo not up to much
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on May 28, 2022, 11:47:29 AM133 broke down yesterday on the 1/1A's so deffo not up to much
Lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Quote from: Bob on May 28, 2022, 11:54:10 AMLol 🤣🤣🤣🤣
132 a d 669 seem to be lasting but 190 broke down after days of not being out and doing 5 trips so 197 had to replace it on the 60. Plus 144 broke down today ad well
Haven't seen this mentioned here but it seems the 62 (Cannock to Lichfield) won't be withdrawn in June.
Cannock Chase passengers given warning to use or lose saved bus service
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-hubs/staffordshire/2022/05/26/cannock-chase-passengers-given-warning-to-use-or-lose-saved-bus-service/
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on May 28, 2022, 02:47:39 PM132 a d 669 seem to be lasting but 190 broke down after days of not being out and doing 5 trips so 197 had to replace it on the 60. Plus 144 broke down today ad well
144 is back out on 74, replaced 669 lol 🤣
Quote from: Bob on May 28, 2022, 04:30:19 PM144 is back out on 74, replaced 669 lol 🤣
Makes so much sense
Quote from: Stu on May 28, 2022, 03:57:49 PMHaven't seen this mentioned here but it seems the 62 (Cannock to Lichfield) won't be withdrawn in June.
Cannock Chase passengers given warning to use or lose saved bus service
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-hubs/staffordshire/2022/05/26/cannock-chase-passengers-given-warning-to-use-or-lose-saved-bus-service/
You get the impression, not registering Saturday services doesn't really help with the sustainability of a route.
Lack of evening & Sunday service is one thing, but is Chaserider the only company locally that deletes Saturday journeys, but keeps Monday to Friday journeys?
Quote from: Westy on May 28, 2022, 05:57:57 PMYou get the impression, not registering Saturday services doesn't really help with the sustainability of a route.
Lack of evening & Sunday service is one thing, but is Chaserider the only company locally that deletes Saturday journeys, but keeps Monday to Friday journeys?
They dont run Saturdays on the 1/1A either, i dont understand how theyre still running, theyre pretty empty every time ive seen them
Quote from: Bob on May 28, 2022, 07:46:17 PMThey dont run Saturdays on the 1/1A either, i dont understand how theyre still running, theyre pretty empty every time ive seen them
Well, as detailed in previous threads, I have made at least one suggestion to boost patronage, but no one was interested!
There was a Chaserider E200 MMC on Jennens Road this morning waiting to turn right onto the ring road. While coming into City Centre on 4811.
Think working rail replacements.
Quote from: 2206 on May 29, 2022, 05:49:46 PMThere was a Chaserider E200 MMC on Jennens Road this morning waiting to turn right onto the ring road. While coming into City Centre on 4811.
Think working rail replacements.
What colour was it?
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on May 29, 2022, 06:10:57 PMWhat colour was it?
It might have been the NKZ one.
WMR website says Rail Reps to Lichfield Trent Valley so it would have been going to Duddeston Station I think.
Chaserider had 2mmc out yesterday 2 + 539 on rail replacement
QuoteWhat colour was it?
They've only got two, and they are both white
Quote from: Tony on May 29, 2022, 07:04:33 PMThey've only got two, and they are both white
They've got 3, they have the 2 white ones and the Centrebus livery one
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on May 30, 2022, 05:30:56 AMThey've got 3, they have the 2 white ones and the Centrebus livery one
the Centrebus livered one (539) is understood to be coming to Leicester at some point with metrocity 799 going the other way
Quote from: SSmith2009 on May 30, 2022, 09:58:53 AMthe Centrebus livered one (539) is understood to be coming to Leicester at some point with metrocity 799 going the other way
Very interesting and exciting
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on May 30, 2022, 02:07:25 PMVery interesting and exciting
Wonder if the two still not repainted white E200s are still supposed to be going
Quote from: Bob on May 30, 2022, 05:28:14 PMWonder if the two still not repainted white E200s are still supposed to be going
I'm not sure. I know even if they do lose them they'll still have buses to run the 3 as all the enviros and metrocitys are euro 6
The 1 & 1A will be scrapped in June sometime apparently
QuoteThe 1 & 1A will be scrapped in June sometime apparently
No 56 days notice?
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on May 30, 2022, 08:43:20 PMThe 1 & 1A will be scrapped in June sometime apparently
Source?
What gets me is that they will just take the service off my road.
Why don't they think outside the box for a replacement route?
Why does it have to be a Walsall to Cannock route, if its obviously not working?
Why not part of another route instead?
Quote from: Tony on May 30, 2022, 09:40:06 PMNo 56 days notice?
Effective 20th June 2022 its down as "variation of route and timetable".
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD1128125/134
So whatever that means, not a cancellation of the registration.
In regards to the losing service on the road thing, I think
@Westy has been mentioning that for a several years now. Perhaps there isn't enough usage on that road to justify the service.
Quote from: 2206 on May 30, 2022, 09:53:57 PMEffective 20th June 2022 its down as "variation of route and timetable".
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD1128125/134
So whatever that means, not a cancellation of the registration.
In regards to the losing service on the road thing, I think @Westy has been mentioning that for a several years now. Perhaps there isn't enough usage on that road to justify the service.
So neither 1 or 1A is finishing then?
Its states on their website
https://www.chaserider.co.uk/
Services 1 and 1A will operate to a reduced timetable between 20th June and 1st July, and will then be withdrawn.
National Express West Midlands will continue to run a regular service between Cannock, Bloxwich and Walsall on route X51.
Also on the WebsiteServices 70 and 71 will be revised from 20th June.
Service 70 will no longer serve New Cross Hospital due to low passenger numbers. Buses will operate via Cannock Road between Featherstone and Wolverhampton.
Service 71 will no longer serve Amos Lane in Wednesfield, and will operate via Avon Road in Cannock rather than the Longford estate.
Both services 70 and 71 will no longer operate between Cannock and Huntington. Service 74 will continue to provide a regular service through Huntington.
All buses in Wolverhampton will serve stop AC on the northbound side of Stafford Street.
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on May 31, 2022, 09:38:33 AMAlso on the Website
Services 70 and 71 will be revised from 20th June.
Service 70 will no longer serve New Cross Hospital due to low passenger numbers. Buses will operate via Cannock Road between Featherstone and Wolverhampton.
Service 71 will no longer serve Amos Lane in Wednesfield, and will operate via Avon Road in Cannock rather than the Longford estate.
Both services 70 and 71 will no longer operate between Cannock and Huntington. Service 74 will continue to provide a regular service through Huntington.
All buses in Wolverhampton will serve stop AC on the northbound side of Stafford Street.
So dog in tree estate no longer served
Quote from: sryan188 on May 31, 2022, 09:13:06 AMIts states on their website
https://www.chaserider.co.uk/
Services 1 and 1A will operate to a reduced timetable between 20th June and 1st July, and will then be withdrawn.
National Express West Midlands will continue to run a regular service between Cannock, Bloxwich and Walsall on route X51.
That's it then!
No point moaning to the powers that be about it then, as they'll just quote similar to what I had before!
(And Eddie Hughes won't give a xxxx about it, because it's not the Stafford Road!)
The way its going therell be nothing left of Cannock network.
Quote from: Bob on May 31, 2022, 12:14:31 PMThe way its going therell be nothing left of Cannock network.
I wouldn't be surprised. The only thing I see being left are the 60 & 74, 826 & 828
The thing is, following COVID, passenger numbers regrettably are not what they were (partly because of government messaging near enough saying that you'll die using buses/trains/trams) and town centres are suffering because people aren't going as they've got used to doing things online.
What is needed is more subsidy for bus services/reregulation, but to fund that (and properly fund it), you'll need to make cuts elsewhere because the UK economy is going into a recession because of COVID
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 31, 2022, 04:22:18 PMThe thing is, following COVID, passenger numbers regrettably are not what they were (partly because of government messaging near enough saying that you'll die using buses/trains/trams) and town centres are suffering because people aren't going as they've got used to doing things online.
What is needed is more subsidy for bus services/reregulation, but to fund that (and properly fund it), you'll need to make cuts elsewhere because the UK economy is going into a recession because of COVID
Well said
Chaserider got a new bus today. Ex High Peak bus
Optare Versa
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 31, 2022, 04:22:18 PMThe thing is, following COVID, passenger numbers regrettably are not what they were (partly because of government messaging near enough saying that you'll die using buses/trains/trams) and town centres are suffering because people aren't going as they've got used to doing things online.
What is needed is more subsidy for bus services/reregulation, but to fund that (and properly fund it), you'll need to make cuts elsewhere because the UK economy is going into a recession because of COVID
Passenger numbers aren't that bad in some areas. There are a lot of variables including how the town centre has recovered, the effort put in by the bus operator and how well they have dealt with passengers. For example, an operator which is badly managed and has a lot of trips not running combined with a dying town centre, you are going to suffer from very low recovery. If however the area has thrived and the operator is doing a lot of advertising and putting in a lot of effort into the services with low levels of cancellations, generally, passenger numbers recover better.
The blame isn't solely with Chaserider but they play a big part in it with their constant service changes, low quality buses and I'd be willing to bet that their lost mileage is about the same as their actually operated mileage. Minimal effort, minimal returns is what is being seen here. In the past 18 months, the network has gone through about 5 revamps. Passengers don't know whether they are coming or going.
What is needed is not reregulation but for the lazy companies to get a boot up their backside to start improving or force them out of the industry and only have operators running buses who make an effort to make buses the best that they possibly can be.
I see the keyboard warriors are out in full force again.
Have any of you actually ran a bus company? If you think you can do better than Chaserider why not start your own business? It's a free market and you could run your own services and reap the huge profits from having high specification buses running on frequent timetables.
Or maybe you don't want to throw away a couple of million quid on something where you can't guarantee a return?
Tesco change their ranges and prices constantly and never draw the harsh criticism that is wagered against a bus operator.
I note it's the same usernames (hiding their real identities) that always throw their hat in the ring to tell everyone how bad a bus company is, but they rarely seem to offer any sensible advice on how to resolve the issue.
Don't forget bus companies are generally low margin businesses and the money for huge investments, particularly in 'shire' areas with very little government support, is just not there and it's a very difficult challenge to make ends meet.
Quote from: ContainsNuts on May 31, 2022, 08:01:40 PMI note it's the same usernames (hiding their real identities) that always throw their hat in the ring to tell everyone how bad a bus company is, but they rarely seem to offer any sensible advice on how to resolve the issue..
Glad it's not just me - same during the arriva days
If I was chaserider when the 70/71 stop serving Dog In Tree estate I'd send one 74 an hour into the estate as a 74A.
Quote from: Westy on May 31, 2022, 12:08:12 PMThat's it then!
No point moaning to the powers that be about it then, as they'll just quote similar to what I had before!
(And Eddie Hughes won't give a xxxx about it, because it's not the Stafford Road!)
Eddie Hughes wouldnt give a xxxx about anything. He was speaker at our staff conference, about 20 people walked out when he came on. 🤣
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on May 31, 2022, 12:23:00 PMI wouldn't be surprised. The only thing I see being left are the 60 & 74, 826 & 828
And Pye greens surely?
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 31, 2022, 04:22:18 PMThe thing is, following COVID, passenger numbers regrettably are not what they were (partly because of government messaging near enough saying that you'll die using buses/trains/trams) and town centres are suffering because people aren't going as they've got used to doing things online.
What is needed is more subsidy for bus services/reregulation, but to fund that (and properly fund it), you'll need to make cuts elsewhere because the UK economy is going into a recession because of COVID
Re-regulation definetely. I'd hope for public ownership too. Thatcher completely wrecked the bus industry with privatisation imo. She said itd lead yo more competition and better services was a total lie, and i think she knew that itd really just lead to private monopolies
Quote from: ContainsNuts on May 31, 2022, 08:01:40 PMI see the keyboard warriors are out in full force again.
Have any of you actually ran a bus company? If you think you can do better than Chaserider why not start your own business? It's a free market and you could run your own services and reap the huge profits from having high specification buses running on frequent timetables.
Or maybe you don't want to throw away a couple of million quid on something where you can't guarantee a return?
Tesco change their ranges and prices constantly and never draw the harsh criticism that is wagered against a bus operator.
I note it's the same usernames (hiding their real identities) that always throw their hat in the ring to tell everyone how bad a bus company is, but they rarely seem to offer any sensible advice on how to resolve the issue.
Don't forget bus companies are generally low margin businesses and the money for huge investments, particularly in 'shire' areas with very little government support, is just not there and it's a very difficult challenge to make ends meet.
Oh, those poor private profiteering companies. Before privatisation, buses were mostly publicly owned and run as a public service and profitable routes could cross subsidise less busy but socially necessary services.
The fact is that at present there are loads of breakdowns, loads of missed trips due to that, often on hourly services, filthy buses that dont look thryve been cleaned in weeks sonetimes, buses with the doors falling off ( literally the door fell off a 52 plate e200 in cannock bus stn other day!), 2 hr gaps in service etc.
Quote from: IMarkeh on May 31, 2022, 07:32:46 PMPassenger numbers aren't that bad in some areas. There are a lot of variables including how the town centre has recovered, the effort put in by the bus operator and how well they have dealt with passengers. For example, an operator which is badly managed and has a lot of trips not running combined with a dying town centre, you are going to suffer from very low recovery. If however the area has thrived and the operator is doing a lot of advertising and putting in a lot of effort into the services with low levels of cancellations, generally, passenger numbers recover better.
The blame isn't solely with Chaserider but they play a big part in it with their constant service changes, low quality buses and I'd be willing to bet that their lost mileage is about the same as their actually operated mileage. Minimal effort, minimal returns is what is being seen here. In the past 18 months, the network has gone through about 5 revamps. Passengers don't know whether they are coming or going.
What is needed is not reregulation but for the lazy companies to get a boot up their backside to start improving or force them out of the industry and only have operators running buses who make an effort to make buses the best that they possibly can be.
Old lady yesterday saying she left an hour early "cos it had broke down the last two times and i had to be somewhere today" ( you hear this sort of thing a fair bit), and there were buses missing and leqving a 2hr gap on the 71 ( which people use for hospital appts as New Cross is cannocks main general hospital since they took over our local hosp) and no replacement bus put on. These are important services and get the most unreliable old buses they have stuck on them. Passengers rightly get annoyed.
Quote from: Bob on June 01, 2022, 07:28:16 AMOh, those poor private profiteering companies. Before privatisation, buses were mostly publicly owned and run as a public service and profitable routes could cross subsidise less busy but socially necessary services.
The fact is that at present there are loads of breakdowns, loads of missed trips due to that, often on hourly services, filthy buses that dont look thryve been cleaned in weeks sonetimes, buses with the doors falling off ( literally the door fell off a 52 plate e200 in cannock bus stn other day!), 2 hr gaps in service etc.
Hence my comment earlier - it's a free market so if it's that easy why don't you start up your own bus company instead of constantly whining about the current ones?
Or maybe you just like to complain - I've never seen a positive comment from you yet!
Enthusiasts should be supporting the bus companies through their difficulties, not sitting in an armchair ripping them to shreds for their own entertainment. If you can't support the industry you are enthusiastic about then why bother?
Quote from: ContainsNuts on June 01, 2022, 08:47:43 AMHence my comment earlier - it's a free market so if it's that easy why don't you start up your own bus company instead of constantly whining about the current ones?
Or maybe you just like to complain - I've never seen a positive comment from you yet!
Enthusiasts should be supporting the bus companies through their difficulties, not sitting in an armchair ripping them to shreds for their own entertainment. If you can't support the industry you are enthusiastic about then why bother?
There isnt much to praise about them unfortunately, worse than a cowboy operator a lot of the time. Do you think regular 2 hour gaps with zero replacements ( on rare occasions theyve found a replacement bus, its been known for the replacement to break down too!), are good service? Would that increase patronage? The 1 shouldve been a success, but thats been plagued with missed journeys, breakdowns, tat etc and has failed dismally. Credit where its due,but i cant see anything for them to be given credit for. Talk to passengers, theyve got a terrible reputation, imagine relying on them for work.
Must admit I couldn't be ###### this morning, so I walked around to the Bloxwich Road.
Quote from: ContainsNuts on June 01, 2022, 08:47:43 AMHence my comment earlier - it's a free market so if it's that easy why don't you start up your own bus company instead of constantly whining about the current ones?
Or maybe you just like to complain - I've never seen a positive comment from you yet!
Enthusiasts should be supporting the bus companies through their difficulties, not sitting in an armchair ripping them to shreds for their own entertainment. If you can't support the industry you are enthusiastic about then why bother?
A poor service provider should not be supported as all they are doing is literally forcing passengers away from all services. Better no advertised service at all than a poor unreliable service
move to Pye Green Bob :cool: loads of large size buses every 5 minutes :police: :police:
Quote from: solonightrider on June 02, 2022, 11:18:01 PMmove to Pye Green Bob :cool: loads of large size buses every 5 minutes :police: :police:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Looks like 2 streetlites & 1 enviro200 have entered delta way
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 04, 2022, 05:14:04 PMLooks like 2 streetlites & 1 enviro200 have entered delta way
Think theres a 63 plate MCV too
Quote from: igogeneral on June 01, 2022, 12:34:34 PMA poor service provider should not be supported as all they are doing is literally forcing passengers away from all services. Better no advertised service at all than a poor unreliable service
Arguebly not just their own services too but buses in general because it reinforces in peoples minds that buses are unreliable and don't turn up. Often people don't think 'Chaseriders buses are rubbish', they remove the company from it and bash the whole industry for one companies failures.
I know a number of people who would start up a bus company but the support isn't there to start up these kinds of businesses and the financial standing 10k for the first bus is a killer as well. Those who have started up though in the past year or two have done very well with coaches and contracts. Local buses seem to be harder to get into because there is no kickstart funding so any new route, you have to have deep pockets or make a lot of money from day 1 to cover costs. If you were to startup against Chaserider, you'd have a tough job because many of the passengers in the area have simply gone, done one, and found another way to travel so you'd be spending hundreds of thousands probably to get any meaningful passenger numbers onto the services before it became profitable. It's very easy to drive passengers away from buses but extremely difficult to bring them in. It takes 2 years or so to build up a service to it's full potential. Who has that kind of money sat in their back pocket? Like seriously!
If more support was there for starting up local buses, you'd see a damn sight more buses on the road and Chaserider would have no chance. They know that there is no competition though and so those without a car simply have no choice but to use them, hence they exploit that position.
Quote from: Jamie A on June 08, 2022, 07:22:53 PM670 was on the 841 this morning
Very interesting. Will have to get a ride once I'm back over
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 08, 2022, 09:49:25 PMVery interesting. Will have to get a ride once I'm back over
You not from cannock lol?
Quote from: Bob on June 09, 2022, 04:28:36 PMYou not from cannock lol?
Grew up there but moved away 10 years ago
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 09, 2022, 08:37:52 PMGrew up there but moved away 10 years ago
Cant samr i blame you its a dump lol
Noticed they're advertising for drivers on social media!
In other news, looks like TfWm have 'nicked' the Stokes Street bus stop sign & pole, presumably for works of some description, replacing it with a traffic cone & a Temporary Bus Stop sign.
I'd be surprised if said pole was reinstalled before Service 1 / 1a is withdrawn in July!
So apparently 18 Denis Dart FJ55 BVT is having its engine replaced and coming back out plus 555 Denis dart is being resprayed into chaserider livery. Now I know from what I can see is 17 is taxed (FJ55 BWG & 8 FJ54 OTT) are still in the depot so we could potentially see them return back into service
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 13, 2022, 02:33:15 PMSo apparently 18 Denis Dart FJ55 BVT is having its engine replaced and coming back out plus 555 Denis dart is being resprayed into chaserider livery. Now I know from what I can see is 17 is taxed (FJ55 BWG & 8 FJ54 OTT) are still in the depot so we could potentially see them return back into service
Crikey never thought 18 would come back. Theres supposed 2 be 3 scanias coming from high peak. Wonder what theyll replace. Hopefully Solos. Loads of breakdowns today. Solo been in bus stn for ages.
There was a High Peak vehicle on Service 1 around 1735 outside my house!
Quote from: Westy on June 13, 2022, 06:22:17 PMThere was a High Peak vehicle on Service 1 around 1735 outside my house!
Covering for a broke down Solo i think
748 was in service on the A51 this afternoon with some fresh quite bad accident damage by the rear offside wheel this afternoon
FJ54OTP left for scrap last Friday
Breakdowns galore today. The last 70 ftom Cannock didnt run at all, leaving people stranded.. no replacement. Pretty bad for an hourly service
Quote from: Jamie A on June 13, 2022, 08:07:46 PMFJ54OTP left for scrap last Friday
Wonder if the return of 18 is true then
Quote from: Westy on June 13, 2022, 06:22:17 PMThere was a High Peak vehicle on Service 1 around 1735 outside my house!
That'll be the 780 Optare Versa
Quote from: Bob on June 13, 2022, 05:28:01 PMCrikey never thought 18 would come back. Theres supposed 2 be 3 scanias coming from high peak. Wonder what theyll replace. Hopefully Solos. Loads of breakdowns today. Solo been in bus stn for ages.
3 Scania's? I'm guessing 2 Omnicity's and a Solar?
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 13, 2022, 08:38:13 PM3 Scania's? I'm guessing 2 Omnicity's and a Solar?
Apparently. All green lol. Nothing like a coherent branding to stop you looking like a cowboy operator 🤣
Quote from: Bob on June 13, 2022, 09:31:57 PMApparently. All green lol. Nothing like a coherent branding to stop you looking like a cowboy operator 🤣
Who run the services? Is it Chaserider, Centrebus, High Peak?
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 13, 2022, 09:44:01 PMWho run the services? Is it Chaserider, Centrebus, High Peak?
Lol adds a bit of colour to the breakdowns 🤣
Quote from: Bob on June 13, 2022, 09:44:52 PMLol adds a bit of colour to the breakdowns 🤣
Tbf I prefer the new Centrebus livery over Chaseriders but am interested how well the Chaserider livery suits 555 if the rumors of it being resprayed are true
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 13, 2022, 02:33:15 PMSo apparently 18 Denis Dart FJ55 BVT is having its engine replaced and coming back out plus 555 Denis dart is being resprayed into chaserider livery. Now I know from what I can see is 17 is taxed (FJ55 BWG & 8 FJ54 OTT) are still in the depot so we could potentially see them return back into service
Where did you hear this from?
Quote from: Bob on June 13, 2022, 08:14:29 PMBreakdowns galore today. The last 70 ftom Cannock didnt run at all, leaving people stranded.. no replacement. Pretty bad for an hourly service
Did Huntington then want dead back to garage, left me and a few others stranded
Chaserider have posted this on Facebook:
Due to a number of our driving team being away from the business due to illness we are unable to provide the following journeys today 14 June 2022:
06:20 Service 1 from Cannock
06:55 Service 1A from Walsall
07:15 Service 1 from Cannock
07:35 Service 1A from Cannock
07:55 Service 1A from Walsall
08:20 Service 1 from Walsall
08:38 Service 1A from Cannock
09:18 Service 1 from Cannock
09:18 Service 1 from Walsall
09:53 Service 1A from Walsall
10:18 Service 1 from Cannock
10:53 Service 1A from Walsall
11:18 Service 1 from Cannock
11:53 Service 1A from Walsall
12:43 Service 1A from Cannock
13:18 Service 1 From Cannock
13:23 Service 1 from Walsall
13:53 Service 1A from Walsall
14:18 Service 1 from Cannock
14:43 Service 1A from Cannock
14:53 Service 1A from Walsall
15:25 Service 1 from Walsall
15:33 Service 1 from Cannock
16:10 Service 1A from Walsall
16:33 Service 1 from Cannock
16:50 Service 1A from Cannock
17:10 Service 1A from Walsall
17:30 Service 1 from Walsall
Pye Green Circular:
07:50 Service 25
08:32 Service 26
09:10 Service 25
09:47 Service 26
10:25 Service 25
Not good.
Good job I didn't catch that first number 1 then!
Quote from: BusMan Greg on June 13, 2022, 10:03:38 PMWhere did you hear this from?
Someone said on fb group that was due to have its engine replaced
Quote from: Bob on June 13, 2022, 09:31:57 PMApparently. All green lol. Nothing like a coherent branding to stop you looking like a cowboy operator 🤣
Yes they are from TransPeak in the two-tone green livery.
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 14, 2022, 12:02:31 PMSomeone said on fb group that was due to have its engine replaced
Must be true then...
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 14, 2022, 12:02:31 PMSomeone said on fb group that was due to have its engine replaced
Might do but its been sat rotting outside for a year lol
Chaserider post on Facebook for Wednesday 15 June 2022
Due to a number of bus drivers being away from work due to illness the following journeys will not operate on Wednesday 15 June.
05:33 Route 828 Springfield's to Lichfield
06:18 Route 828 from Lichfield
07:40 Route 74 from Stafford
09:32 Route 74 from Cannock
10:10 Route 826 from Stafford
11:33 Route 828 from Lichfield
12:50 Route 74 from Stafford
06:20 Route 1 from Cannock
06:55 Route 1A from Walsall
07:15 Route 1 from Cannock
07:35 Route 1A from Cannock
07:55 Route 1A from Walsall
08:20 Route 1 from Walsall
08:38 Route 1A from Cannock
09:18 Route 1 from Cannock
09:18 Route 1 from Walsall
09:53 Route 1A from Walsall
10:18 Route 1 from Cannock
10:53 Route 1A from Walsall
11:18 Route 1 from Cannock
11:53 Route 1A from Walsall
12:43 Route 1A from Cannock
13:18 Route 1 From Cannock
13:23 Route 1 from Walsall
13:53 Route 1A from Walsall
14:18 Route 1 from Cannock
14:43 Route 1A from Cannock
14:53 Route 1A from Walsall
15:25 Route 1 from Walsall
15:33 Route 1 from Cannock
16:10 Route 1A from Walsall
16:33 Route 1 from Cannock
16:50 Route 1A from Cannock
17:10 Route 1A from Walsall
17:30 Route 1 from Walsall
Pye Green Circular Service 25/26:
07:50 Route 25
08:32 Route 26
09:10 Route 25
09:47 Route 26
10:25 Route 25
If additional drivers report for work we will advise customers of changes to the number of journeys suspended.
Quote from: Westy on June 14, 2022, 10:52:38 PMChaserider post on Facebook for Wednesday 15 June 2022
Due to a number of bus drivers being away from work due to illness the following journeys will not operate on Wednesday 15 June.
05:33 Route 828 Springfield's to Lichfield
06:18 Route 828 from Lichfield
07:40 Route 74 from Stafford
09:32 Route 74 from Cannock
10:10 Route 826 from Stafford
11:33 Route 828 from Lichfield
12:50 Route 74 from Stafford
06:20 Route 1 from Cannock
06:55 Route 1A from Walsall
07:15 Route 1 from Cannock
07:35 Route 1A from Cannock
07:55 Route 1A from Walsall
08:20 Route 1 from Walsall
08:38 Route 1A from Cannock
09:18 Route 1 from Cannock
09:18 Route 1 from Walsall
09:53 Route 1A from Walsall
10:18 Route 1 from Cannock
10:53 Route 1A from Walsall
11:18 Route 1 from Cannock
11:53 Route 1A from Walsall
12:43 Route 1A from Cannock
13:18 Route 1 From Cannock
13:23 Route 1 from Walsall
13:53 Route 1A from Walsall
14:18 Route 1 from Cannock
14:43 Route 1A from Cannock
14:53 Route 1A from Walsall
15:25 Route 1 from Walsall
15:33 Route 1 from Cannock
16:10 Route 1A from Walsall
16:33 Route 1 from Cannock
16:50 Route 1A from Cannock
17:10 Route 1A from Walsall
17:30 Route 1 from Walsall
Pye Green Circular Service 25/26:
07:50 Route 25
08:32 Route 26
09:10 Route 25
09:47 Route 26
10:25 Route 25
If additional drivers report for work we will advise customers of changes to the number of journeys suspended.
I admire their honesty and levels of communication, though this is unbelievable. One would hope that D&G have considered loaning labour, or dare I say it, PCV-trained management out driving to cover services.
i admire there honesty and admitting they have a problem. Although both annoying and frustrating for passengers at least they are aware.
Quote from: Wumpty on June 15, 2022, 08:55:55 AMI admire their honesty and levels of communication, though this is unbelievable. One would hope that D&G have considered loaning labour, or dare I say it, PCV-trained management out driving to cover services.
They've had office staff out driving
I do admire them telling us about services not running now. Hopefully they become more frequent with it as well ESPECIALLY if breakdowns happen and they can't serve that particular timed bus route
(https://i.gyazo.com/29c16f949215d7acd3e25be234385ec3.png)
They're brave :lipsrsealed:
Well, at the time of posting, nothing has appeared on Facebook, so hopefully things should be back to normal or whatever 'normal ' is for Chaserider on Thursday!
Quote from: Westy on June 15, 2022, 10:51:11 PMWell, at the time of posting, nothing has appeared on Facebook, so hopefully things should be back to normal or whatever 'normal ' is for Chaserider on Thursday!
Nope. Same again tomorrow lol
Quote from: Bob on June 15, 2022, 11:09:12 PMNope. Same again tomorrow lol
And as
@Bob says :
'Whilst we experience an increased level of illness by our driving team we have been forced to suspend the operation of a number of journeys on several local bus services.
Detailed below are those journeys which will be suspended on Thursday 16 June 2022.
If additional drivers return to work some of the suspended journeys may be reinstated.
Services 1/1A: Cannock – Bloxwich – Walsall
07:15 Service 1 from Cannock
07:55 Service 1A from Walsall
08:38 Service 1A from Cannock
09:18 Service 1 from Walsall
10:18 Service 1 from Cannock
10:53 Service 1A from Walsall
12:43 Service 1A from Cannock
13:18 Service 1 from Cannock
13:23 Service 1 from Walsall
13:53 Service 1A from Walsall
14:18 Service 1 from Cannock
14:43 Service 1A from Cannock
14:53 Service 1A from Walsall
15:25 Service 1 from Walsall
15:33 Service 1 from Cannock
16:10 Service 1A from Walsall
16:33 Service 1 from Cannock
16:50 Service 1A from Cannock
17:10 Service 1A from Walsall
17:30 Service 1 from Walsall
Pye Green Circular Services 25/26:
07:50 Service 25
08:32 Service 26
09:10 Service 25
09:47 Service 26
10:25 Service 25
11:02 Service 26
11:40 Service 25
12:17Service 26'
That reads you can leave Cannock early for Walsall, but not get back at peak?
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-hubs/walsall/bloxwich/2022/06/16/axe-falls-on-chaserider-bus-services/
Quote from: Westy on June 16, 2022, 11:49:52 AMhttps://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-hubs/walsall/bloxwich/2022/06/16/axe-falls-on-chaserider-bus-services/
Down to 1 bus an hr in longford from Mon. Wouldnt be too bad if they were actually reliable
Even more journeys cancelled tomorrow. Virtually every 1/1A.,loads more pye greens than today and quite a few 60s. Situation seems to be worsening daily
Quote from: Bob on June 16, 2022, 11:47:30 PMEven more journeys cancelled tomorrow. Virtually every 1/1A.,loads more pye greens than today and quite a few 60s. Situation seems to be worsening daily
From Facebook!
"We're continuing to experience a shortage of bus drivers due to sickness, detailed below are the journeys which will not operate on Friday 17 June 2022.
If additional drivers return to work we will give further updates on journeys not being operated. We apologise for the inconvenience caused to our customers during this difficult period.
Cannock – Bloxwich – Walsall Routes 1/1A:
06:20 Route 1 from Cannock
06:55 Route 1A from Walsall
07:15 Route 1 from Cannock
07:35 Route 1A from Cannock
07:55 Route 1A from Walsall
08:20 Route 1 from Walsall
08:38 Route 1A from Cannock
09:18 Route 1 from Cannock
09:18 Route 1 from Walsall
09:53 Route 1A from Walsall
10:18 Route 1 from Cannock
10:53 Route 1A from Walsall
11:18 Route 1 from Cannock
11:53 Route 1A from Walsall
12:43 Route 1A from Cannock
13:18 Route 1 From Cannock
13:23 Route 1 from Walsall
13:53 Route 1A from Walsall
14:18 Route 1 from Cannock
14:43 Route 1A from Cannock
14:53 Route 1A from Walsall
15:25 Route 1 from Walsall
15:33 Route 1 from Cannock
16:10 Route 1A from Walsall
16:33 Route 1 from Cannock
16:50 Route 1A from Cannock
17:10 Route 1A from Walsall
17:30 Route 1 from Walsall
Pye Green Circular Services 25/26:
05:32 Route 26
06:02 Route 26
06:32 Route 26
07:02 Route 26
07:42 Route 26
07:50 Route 25
08:25 Route 25
08:32 Route 26
09:02 Route 26
09:10 Route 25
09:40 Route 25
10:17 Route 26
11:55 Route 25
12:32 Route 26
13:10 Route 25
13:47 Route 26
14:25 Route 25
15:02 Route 26
15:40 Route 25
16:17 Route 26
Cannock – Burntwood – Lichfield Route 60:
06:35 from Cannock
07:40 from Lichfield
08:45 from Cannock
09:45 from Lichfield
11:15 from Cannock
12:15 from Lichfield
13:15 from Cannock
14:15 from Lichfield
16:25 from Cannock
17:30 from Lichfield "
Quote from: Bob on June 16, 2022, 11:47:30 PMEven more journeys cancelled tomorrow. Virtually every 1/1A.,loads more pye greens than today and quite a few 60s. Situation seems to be worsening daily
I do wonder whats making them go off ill so much. Do hope they are okay and get better soon
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 17, 2022, 08:40:20 AMI do wonder whats making them go off ill so much. Do hope they are okay and get better soon
Didn't someone say Covid?
190 in Cannock on 60, driver is ringing depot cos apparently the driver to relieve him should be here, he said he cant turn the engine off because if he does it wont start again .....
Quote from: Bob on June 17, 2022, 12:44:32 PM190 in Cannock on 60, driver is ringing depot cos apparently the driver to relieve him should be here, he said he cant turn the engine off because if he does it wont start again .....
Oh dear
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 17, 2022, 04:28:47 PMOh dear
Lioks like it failed about half 1. They werent even running journeys on the 60 that werent on the list of cannock journeys . Elderly lady waited 90mins. Pathetic.
Tomorrow seems to be a little better ?
The following journeys will not operate on Saturday 18 June 2022 due to driver sickness.
We're sorry for any inconvenience caused.
Service 60: Cannock – Burntwood – Lichfield
15:15 from Cannock
16:15 from Lichfield
Quote from: Westy on June 17, 2022, 10:50:48 PMTomorrow seems to be a little better ?
The following journeys will not operate on Saturday 18 June 2022 due to driver sickness.
We're sorry for any inconvenience caused.
Service 60: Cannock – Burntwood – Lichfield
15:15 from Cannock
16:15 from Lichfield
Less buses used on a Saturday
I guess driver sickness has receded to the point they no longer have to issue social media posts?
Seen in Coopers Reclamation yard in Stafford this morning two old Darts from the Cannock scrap line, 7 - FJ 54 OTP and 12 - FJ 55 BWB.
Spoke too soon.
Here we go again, coupled with lack of service from the railway (Gather from reading elsewhere, trains on the Chase Line are off for the rest of the week!)
'A number of bus drivers have notified the company they are unable to attend work tomorrow due to illness. We apologise for any inconvenience caused to our customers:
Here are the details of the journeys that will not operate on Wednesday 22 June 2022.
Route 1A - 07:35 from Cannock
Route 1 - 08:20 from Walsall
Route 1 - 09:18 from Cannock
Route 1A - 09:53 from Walsall
Route 1A - 10:43 from Cannock
Route 1 - 11:23 from Walsall
Route 1A - 11:43 from Cannock
Route 1 - 12:23 from Walsall
Route 1A - 12:43 from Cannock
Route 1 - 13:18 from Cannock
Route 1 - 13:23 from Walsall
Route 1A - 13:53 from Walsall
Route 1 - 14:18 from Cannock
Route 1A - 14:43 from Cannock
Route 1A - 14:53 from Walsall
Route 1 - 15:33 from Cannock '
Quote from: Westy on June 21, 2022, 11:00:19 PMSpoke too soon.
Here we go again, coupled with lack of service from the railway (Gather from reading elsewhere, trains on the Chase Line are off for the rest of the week!)
'A number of bus drivers have notified the company they are unable to attend work tomorrow due to illness. We apologise for any inconvenience caused to our customers:
Here are the details of the journeys that will not operate on Wednesday 22 June 2022.
Route 1A - 07:35 from Cannock
Route 1 - 08:20 from Walsall
Route 1 - 09:18 from Cannock
Route 1A - 09:53 from Walsall
Route 1A - 10:43 from Cannock
Route 1 - 11:23 from Walsall
Route 1A - 11:43 from Cannock
Route 1 - 12:23 from Walsall
Route 1A - 12:43 from Cannock
Route 1 - 13:18 from Cannock
Route 1 - 13:23 from Walsall
Route 1A - 13:53 from Walsall
Route 1 - 14:18 from Cannock
Route 1A - 14:43 from Cannock
Route 1A - 14:53 from Walsall
Route 1 - 15:33 from Cannock '
Theyve obviously given up on the 1. People whove got monthly tickets would be a bit annoyed id imagine... although maybe there werent any, always dead whenever i saw it
Quote from: Bob on June 21, 2022, 11:29:39 PMTheyve obviously given up on the 1. People whove got monthly tickets would be a bit annoyed id imagine... although maybe there werent any, always dead whenever i saw it
Point of note, obviously I'm not expecting any change between now & official withdrawal, but the TfWm timetables at the stops are still the previous ones, not the 'interim' one!
Quote from: Grinder on June 21, 2022, 01:57:56 PMSeen in Coopers Reclamation yard in Stafford this morning two old Darts from the Cannock scrap line, 7 - FJ 54 OTP and 12 - FJ 55 BWB.
Sad times ngl
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 22, 2022, 11:26:05 AMSad times ngl
They were kinda pretty tired. Still, the SPDs especially were better to ride on than any Solo. I was on 182 today on 52 with the overheating buzzer going off for whole journey, driver said it was losing power. Didnt feel like it had any anyway 😜
Quote from: Bob on June 22, 2022, 11:43:37 PMThey were kinda pretty tired. Still, the SPDs especially were better to ride on than any Solo. I was on 182 today on 52 with the overheating buzzer going off for whole journey, driver said it was losing power. Didnt feel like it had any anyway 😜
The best bus they have is 190 Wright Commander. That has some serious power and one dealy scream
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 23, 2022, 08:42:01 AMThe best bus they have is 190 Wright Commander. That has some serious power and one dealy scream
It also had to have the enfmgine left running at all times last week during dtiver changes etc also, driver told the next driver if it cut out it woukdnt start again. The green versa broke down on 74 in cannock and was stuck at the stand for hours today 🤣🤣 i caught 182 on 62 back to my moms yday and the overheating warning was going off all the way and the driver was flooring it and saying the power was going. The other solo on 62 had already broke earlier. The connander got put on it. At least a rare occasion when a bus got replaced lol
Quote from: Bob on June 23, 2022, 08:44:40 PMIt also had to have the enfmgine left running at all times last week during dtiver changes etc also, driver told the next driver if it cut out it woukdnt start again. The green versa broke down on 74 in cannock and was stuck at the stand for hours today 🤣🤣 i caught 182 on 62 back to my moms yday and the overheating warning was going off all the way and the driver was flooring it and saying the power was going. The other solo on 62 had already broke earlier. The connander got put on it. At least a rare occasion when a bus got replaced lol
Tbh it's not very often 181 & 2 break down. They are 2 of the most reliable solos of the fleet. You e also gotta remember that it was incredibly hot yesterday and buses run all day going to 1,000 degrees so wouldn't be surprised if they had over heating issues
QuoteTbh it's not very often 181 & 2 break down. They are 2 of the most reliable of the fleet. You e also gotta remember that it was incredibly hot yesterday and buses run all day going to 1,000 degrees so wouldn't be surprised if they had over heating issues
I think 1,000 is a bit exaggerated
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 23, 2022, 09:12:01 PMTbh it's not very often 181 & 2 break down. They are 2 of the most reliable of the fleet. You e also gotta remember that it was incredibly hot yesterday and buses run all day going to 1,000 degrees so wouldn't be surprised if they had over heating issues
Their Solos, and also esp them Scanias overheat all the tine anyway lol
QuoteTbh it's not very often 181 & 2 break down. They are 2 of the most reliable of the fleet. You e also gotta remember that it was incredibly hot yesterday and buses run all day going to 1,000 degrees so wouldn't be surprised if they had over heating issues
Hottest an engine can get is 110c before the engine warning light comes on. A 1000c is a tad high!! Hottest part of a planes engine is 1000c but heat from the back varies between 350 and 650
still cannot understand why any competent transport manager would choose to allocate a underpowered lightweight versa[still with no working destination blinds] rancid unreliable end of life small solos, and a 17 year old knackered dart daily on to the longer interurban routes they aint capable of operating a full shift on with out expiring , whilst the newer mmc and the bigger heavy weight vehicles seem to be wasted on pye greens all the time, The amount of lost revenue, lost mileage and recovery and repair costs on these old optare products must simply be wiping out more money than these old heaps of junk will ever bring in return. Also i would be calling the repute of the tm on not taking these issues more seriously and get things in to gear and utilizing the fleet accordingly. Yes thing go wrong at times nothing is 100% reliable 24/7 but surely alarm bells must be ringing.
Quote from: solonightrider on June 23, 2022, 10:59:04 PMstill cannot understand why any competent transport manager would choose to allocate a underpowered lightweight versa[still with no working destination blinds] rancid unreliable end of life small solos, and a 17 year old knackered dart daily on to the longer interurban routes they aint capable of operating a full shift on with out expiring , whilst the newer mmc and the bigger heavy weight vehicles seem to be wasted on pye greens all the time, The amount of lost revenue, lost mileage and recovery and repair costs on these old optare products must simply be wiping out more money than these old heaps of junk will ever bring in return. Also i would be calling the repute of the tm on not taking these issues more seriously and get things in to gear and utilizing the fleet accordingly. Yes thing go wrong at times nothing is 100% reliable 24/7 but surely alarm bells must be ringing.
The dart is actually the most reliable thing in the fleet rn. Its only broke down once since it moved to chaserider
Quote from: Tony on June 23, 2022, 09:49:12 PMI think 1,000 is a bit exaggerated
I was using it as an expression
Centrebus are drafting in newer buses to Chaserider give them time to sort things out.
Hopefully with service reductions too it allows the unreliable stuff to be withdrawn or moved elsewhere
Quote from: SSmith2009 on June 24, 2022, 09:25:17 AMCentrebus are drafting in newer buses to Chaserider give them time to sort things out.
Hopefully with service reductions too it allows the unreliable stuff to be withdrawn or moved elsewhere
Newer buses? The 17 plate Darts gone, theyve sent a couple of SB180s, the two previous examples were sone of the most unreliable things in the fleet? Theres two Streetlites sent, the existing streetlites are pretty unreliable and many been off road for ages. Then theres an 18 year old Scania, an 05 solo which disappeared and that 06 plate solo which breaks down a lot. The centros they sent were both rapidly withdrawn, one after only a week lol
Quote from: Bob on June 24, 2022, 09:59:20 AMNewer buses? The 17 plate Darts gone, theyve sent a couple of SB180s, the two previous examples were sone of the most unreliable things in the fleet? Theres two Streetlites sent, the existing streetlites are pretty unreliable and many been off road for ages. Then theres an 18 year old Scania, an 05 solo which disappeared and that 06 plate solo which breaks down a lot. The centros they sent were both rapidly withdrawn, one after only a week lol
The B5 Scanina can barely start the day without breaking down and looks like 177 has just transferred to D&G
Not also that the Arriva Eclipse's have now having major issues resulting to a few not running
With a lot of services not running correctly of late due to illness / last minute bulk cancellation's leaving joe public who rely on this lot for school / work etc high & dry , one is left wondering how can they operate all of these new contracts ie Amazon and the Fradley one, surely they should have cover for all the registered bus services as a priority first, to full fill the legal registered requirements before taking on contract work? just a thought. I understand contract work is guaranteed revenue and that's what is needed, but something seems odd here. Surprised the TC's have not picked up on this. Notice the 3 oldest relics on the 74 again today including that rancid old orange dart, while the youngest age fleet member is tootling about Pye Green as ever! Best keep them Optare's off the contract work.......... :-)
Quote from: solonightrider on June 24, 2022, 10:19:44 PMWith a lot of services not running correctly of late due to illness / last minute bulk cancellation's leaving joe public who rely on this lot for school / work etc high & dry , one is left wondering how can they operate all of these new contracts ie Amazon and the Fradley one, surely they should have cover for all the registered bus services as a priority first, to full fill the legal registered requirements before taking on contract work? just a thought. I understand contract work is guaranteed revenue and that's what is needed, but something seems odd here. Surprised the TC's have not picked up on this. Notice the 3 oldest relics on the 74 again today including that rancid old orange dart, while the youngest age fleet member is tootling about Pye Green as ever! Best keep them Optare's off the contract work.......... :-)
Must admit I was wondering what the Traffic Commissioners were making of the situation as well.
I noticed, while the 1 wasn't running, I still saw the A51 running through Bloxwich out of service.
Looks like we've got another MCV Evolution over plus an Optare Metrocity
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 25, 2022, 10:46:50 PMLooks like we've got another MCV Evolution over plus an Optare Metrocity
The mega reliable MCVs 🤣
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 25, 2022, 10:46:50 PMLooks like we've got another MCV Evolution over plus an Optare Metrocity
Reported elsewhere as:
MCV Evolution - 671 - YJ63 CXB (from Grantham)
Optare Metrocity - 799 - YJ17 FXE (from Leicester)
both are in the new Centrebus livery
Looks like they're standardising the fleets across depots
Quote from: SSmith2009 on June 26, 2022, 10:13:33 AMReported elsewhere as:
MCV Evolution - 671 - YJ63 CXB (from Grantham)
Optare Metrocity - 799 - YJ17 FXE (from Leicester)
both are in the new Centrebus livery
Looks like they're standardising the fleets across depots
I mean MCV Evolution & Standarising do not go in the same sentece. All The Evolutions that Chaserider have rn keep failing on them
799 will be kept on pye green along with the mmc and owt else that's not really needed on there! that 799 had been on fire at some point, lets hope its not yet another unreliable problem Optare product, but if these latest additions out some rancid solos then bring it on! be a lap of luxury on Pye Green soon, might encourage more than 3 folks per trip out!
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 26, 2022, 04:52:42 PMI mean MCV Evolution & Standarising do not go in the same sentece. All The Evolutions that Chaserider have rn keep failing on them
Standardising failures lol
Quote from: Bob on June 27, 2022, 04:56:13 AMStandardising failures lol
You wouldn't be happy if they had brand new buses running every five minutes with low fares. Wouldn't it be nice if you said something positive for a change!
Quote from: ContainsNuts on June 27, 2022, 11:51:08 AMYou wouldn't be happy if they had brand new buses running every five minutes with low fares. Wouldn't it be nice if you said something positive for a change!
Wouldnt it be nice if they ran a roadworthy fleet that didnt leave 2 hr gaps in service, leaving people stranded?
Quote from: Bob on June 27, 2022, 04:11:18 PMWouldnt it be nice if they ran a roadworthy fleet that didnt leave 2 hr gaps in service, leaving people stranded?
Generalisations as usual from Bob. Perhaps the moaners should ask their local councils to increase Council Tax for everybody so that they can subsidise a company to run a proper fleet of modern buses 24 hours a day whether they carry passengers or not.
Quote from: Bob on June 27, 2022, 04:11:18 PMWouldnt it be nice if they ran a roadworthy fleet that didnt leave 2 hr gaps in service, leaving people stranded?
And stop chopping & changing the routes/timetables every 5 minutes!
Quote from: Westy on June 27, 2022, 05:35:46 PMAnd stop chopping & changing the routes/timetables every 5 minutes!
At least arriva gave a lot of there new routes more advertising and more than 1 year to attract people with new buses. As much as i dislike hating on companies and will happily support them, Chaserider really give me no room to try. They are digging there graves quicker than I can try and find something to back them with. Arriva litterally crippled themselves financially in cannock trying to give as much as they can to serve everyone
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 27, 2022, 08:18:25 PMAt least arriva gave a lot of there new routes more advertising and more than 1 year to attract people with new buses. As much as i dislike hating on companies and will happily support them, Chaserider really give me no room to try. They are digging there graves quicker than I can try and find something to back them with. Arriva litterally crippled themselves financially in cannock trying to give as much as they can to serve everyone
Remember recently D & G put the Chaserider operation on a separate operating licence a few months ago.
All I will say is 'Hmm. Interesting?'
Quote from: Westy on June 27, 2022, 08:38:34 PMRemember recently D & G put the Chaserider operation on a separate operating licence a few months ago.
All I will say is 'Hmm. Interesting?'
Oh yeah I heard about that. It is very interesting
Most likely a simple organisation of their operating licences
Another 2hr gap on the 3 in brownhills today,
Quote from: Bob on June 28, 2022, 06:34:25 PMAnother 2hr gap on the 3 in brownhills today,
And the volvos are creeping on there with there euro 6 engines
Euro 6 engines?
None of the chaserider fleet has Euro 6 engines except the E200MMCS, and I don't know of any Volvos with traps fitted
Broke down volvo in cannock bus stn with end sticking out of stand and centrebus van in front making it pretty tight to get buses in
And MMC broke down on 25 dead at stop by leisure centre passengers in middle of stafford road flagging down the one im on 🤦�♂️🤦�♂️🤦�♂️🤷�♂️
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2022, 06:10:54 AMEuro 6 engines?
None of the chaserider fleet has Euro 6 engines except the E200MMCS, and I don't know of any Volvos with traps fitted
That's my point lol
Quote from: Bob on June 29, 2022, 01:05:21 PMAnd MMC broke down on 25 dead at stop by leisure centre passengers in middle of stafford road flagging down the one im on 🤦�♂️🤦�♂️🤦�♂️🤷�♂️
That's the one that broke on the 3 yesterday
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 29, 2022, 01:48:00 PMThat's the one that broke on the 3 yesterday
It got going again and has now given up at cannock bus stn. Driver says theyve had something to another passengee about how s##t they are and that theyve had 6 breakdowns already today
That naff slimline Solo broje down on PGs earlier as well. But rather than be begative, i could be positive and not call them out for the s##tshow epic failure on nearly every metric they are and say" but at least they did get people to work at some point and made them latte so its all good" 🤣
Quote from: Bob on June 29, 2022, 03:00:54 PMThat naff slimline Solo broje down on PGs earlier as well. But rather than be begative, i could be positive and not call them out for the s##tshow epic failure on nearly every metric they are and say" but at least they did get people to work at some point and made them latte so its all good" 🤣
You can be positive by saying the buses wanted a holiday
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 29, 2022, 04:06:11 PMYou can be positive by saying the buses wanted a holiday
At PVS Barnsley 🤣
748 Scania has now been painted into chaserider livery
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 29, 2022, 04:21:15 PM748 Scania has now been painted into chaserider livery
Apparently 699 has gone to high peak. Mqybe theyll make more use of it than cannock it was off the road more than it was on it lol
Quote from: Bob on June 29, 2022, 04:36:21 PMApparently 699 has gone to high peak. Mqybe theyll make more use of it than cannock it was off the road more than it was on it lol
699? What bus was that again?
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 29, 2022, 05:07:22 PM699? What bus was that again?
The Scania that was PG9'd at Lichfield a bit back, and overheated all the time 🤣
2hr gap on the 3 between 15.40 and 17.40 today, another non euro 6 on there from 17.40, 3 days in a row, couldnt make it up 🤣
Quote from: Bob on June 29, 2022, 07:09:16 PMThe Scania that was PG9'd at Lichfield a bit back, and overheated all the time 🤣
That's 199 🤣. They've still got it 🤣
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 29, 2022, 09:25:10 PMThat's 199 🤣. They've still got it 🤣
Have they? I thought 199 ( 699 was a typo lol) has gone to high peak
Quote from: Bob on June 29, 2022, 09:28:04 PMHave they? I thought 199 ( 699 was a typo lol) has gone to high peak
Nobody wants 199 for how bad it is. Suppose its better than 704 🤣
Isn't the 17 plate additional metro city euro 6, perhaps that's what its been drafted in for, but no doubt it be a Pye green bus like the MMC's and owt else that's half decent, Noted a Volvo wasted on the 841s the last few days, don't get how they are wired on fleet utilization tbh , mini buses on long interurban routes not big enough on capacity and horrendous on reliability, then put a huge Volvo on very narrow lanes which is surely mini bus ground........ Expect to see the 'NEW RED SCANIA' on Pye greens tomorrow along with the new merto city no doubt lol. Out of all the Pye green buses I seen on Tuesday not one of them had more than 3 or 4 punters on, so solos are ideal for this route and its local to depot for all the breakdowns/ rescue missions too.
Quote from: solonightrider on June 29, 2022, 09:48:44 PMIsn't the 17 plate additional metro city euro 6, perhaps that's what its been drafted in for, but no doubt it be a Pye green bus like the MMC's and owt else that's half decent, Noted a Volvo wasted on the 841s the last few days, don't get how they are wired on fleet utilization tbh , mini buses on long interurban routes not big enough on capacity and horrendous on reliability, then put a huge Volvo on very narrow lanes which is surely mini bus ground........ Expect to see the 'NEW RED SCANIA' on Pye greens tomorrow along with the new merto city no doubt lol. Out of all the Pye green buses I seen on Tuesday not one of them had more than 3 or 4 punters on, so solos are ideal for this route and its local to depot for all the breakdowns/ rescue missions too.
All the metrocitys are euro 6 plus all the enviros. I've noticed as soon as a breakdown happens and it comes put after being repaired they always chuck it on the pye greens. Must be either to 'test' them which is daft or its because they have no faith in there repair work. Does make me question how so many of there buses breakdown yet so many other companies including small companies can have 1/2 once ever 3 days or non at all yet chaserider manage to have 3/4 of fleet breakdown in 3 days
Only Pye Green seems to matter fleet allocation wise, don't see why, surely the longer interurban work should be operated with the most current up to date vehicles and ones with the large enough capacities. Perhaps its a free for all each morning the drivers pick the bus they wish to drive lol. Why send your most unreliable old clapped out mini buses on the longest/ hardest work its commercial suicide if you ask me but hey what do I know. Fleet of clapped out solos regular on the 60 and a big Volvo on 841 single track lanes lol, weaselly little Optare still with no working destination blinds on the 74 while full scale vehicles on Pye Green carrying the odd one or two here and there. Could understand the logic if the 25/26 was every hour or so but a bus every few minutes don;t require full heavy weight vehicles, plus the euro 6 set up need to have a good run not keep pootling about, does them no good.
Quote from: solonightrider on June 29, 2022, 11:27:41 PMOnly Pye Green seems to matter fleet allocation wise, don't see why, surely the longer interurban work should be operated with the most current up to date vehicles and ones with the large enough capacities. Perhaps its a free for all each morning the drivers pick the bus they wish to drive lol. Why send your most unreliable old clapped out mini buses on the longest/ hardest work its commercial suicide if you ask me but hey what do I know. Fleet of clapped out solos regular on the 60 and a big Volvo on 841 single track lanes lol, weaselly little Optare still with no working destination blinds on the 74 while full scale vehicles on Pye Green carrying the odd one or two here and there. Could understand the logic if the 25/26 was every hour or so but a bus every few minutes don;t require full heavy weight vehicles, plus the euro 6 set up need to have a good run not keep pootling about, does them no good.
Well the scania didn't end up on the Pye greens 🤣 ended up on the 70/71's
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 30, 2022, 10:18:39 AMWell the scania didn't end up on the Pye greens 🤣 ended up on the 70/71's
Possibly to replace the Solo that only managed 1 trip this morning
https://www.facebook.com/102628331691000/posts/pfbid04gUfM6AXgNu79qaVE86mFVp42Pv4c8vXtXJy3n2mU56G6DiAbJTgxb6JZqMjzTt6l/?sfnsn=scwspmo
826 and 828 on diversion not serving the Springfield Estate due to road works
Today was the last of the 1 & 1A. Kinda sad to see it go
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 30, 2022, 05:08:43 PMToday was the last of the 1 & 1A. Kinda sad to see it go
And we're busless again down our road!
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 30, 2022, 05:08:43 PMToday was the last of the 1 & 1A. Kinda sad to see it go
Roaring success lol
Quote from: Westy on June 30, 2022, 06:56:38 PMAnd we're busless again down our road!
I never went on the 2 when it was a thing but wasn't the 1A just the 2 route or was the 2 have different areas to it
Quote from: Westy on June 30, 2022, 06:56:38 PMAnd we're busless again down our road!
I remember you saying you aren't a far walk off Bloxwich Road, so the all moaning you would do about Chaserider when you could just catch a 31/32 or X51 and do a short walk instead of having to moan about them. Honestly how much time do you have?
Quote from: Jack on June 30, 2022, 08:14:51 PMI remember you saying you aren't a far walk off Bloxwich Road, so the all moaning you would do about Chaserider when you could just catch a 31/32 or X51 and do a short walk instead of having to moan about them. Honestly how much time do you have?
I can walk to Bloxwich Road, it isn't a issue, as I'm able bodied.
The bus stop is right outside my stop.
It was convenient for me & other locals.
I made suggestions how the service could be improved, but for whatever reason, no one was interested!
Quote from: Westy on June 30, 2022, 08:34:55 PMI can walk to Bloxwich Road, it isn't a issue, as I'm able bodied.
The bus stop is right outside my stop.
It was convenient for me & other locals.
I made suggestions how the service could be improved, but for whatever reason, no one was interested!
Well if you think it will return big profits and be viable, why don't you run it? Clearly chaserider couldn't make it viable hence why its been withdrawn.
And how many people across the county don't have a bus stop outside their front door, its a bus service not a personalised taxi. And on the Bloxwich Road you have a bus service every few minutes, how many places in the country have a far worse off service.
Quote from: 2206 on June 30, 2022, 08:38:00 PMWell if you think it will return big profits and be viable, why don't you run it?
And how many people across the county don't have a bus stop outside their front door, its a bus service not a personalised taxi. And on the Bloxwich Road you have a bus service every few minutes, how many places in the country have a far worse off service.
It's been said 'Use it or lose it'!
I was using it!
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 30, 2022, 07:29:03 PMI never went on the 2 when it was a thing but wasn't the 1A just the 2 route or was the 2 have different areas to it
The 2 served Longford at one time
Quote from: 2206 on June 30, 2022, 08:38:00 PMWell if you think it will return big profits and be viable, why don't you run it? Clearly chaserider couldn't make it viable hence why its been withdrawn.
And how many people across the county don't have a bus stop outside their front door, its a bus service not a personalised taxi. And on the Bloxwich Road you have a bus service every few minutes, how many places in the country have a far worse off service.
Me, now a crappy hourly service in Longford, but with the massive reliability issues its gonna be a two hourly service at times as with others 😡 it was unreliable when it was half hourly. Whatll happen now is patronage will probably decline further unfortunately
One thing we've gotta hope for is the Government to pump more money into small bus company's to get the buses on the road & serving community's especially in rual areas like Cannock & Burntwood
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 30, 2022, 09:43:28 PMOne thing we've gotta hope for is the Government to pump more money into small bus company's to get the buses on the road & serving community's especially in rual areas like Cannock & Burntwood
Its a Tory Council with no interest in bus services. And a Tory govt who are pretty much about cuts lol
I just hope Labour come in to at least try and fix some things
I have no interest in Labour or polotics but no other party can ruin things as much as the Tories
I saw two service 1a Chaserider buses this morning on the a34 heading towards Walsall. One down by the TKMaxx place, the other by Yieldfields Farm, between about 0830 and 0900.
Just move to Pye Green Bob :-), i see the 17 plate metro city was on today and the 'new' painted scania lol how predictable! while hoards old scrap solos are still killing the 60! think the 60 is on a managed decline.
Quote from: solonightrider on July 01, 2022, 10:58:43 PMJust move to Pye Green Bob :-), i see the 17 plate metro city was on today and the 'new' painted scania lol how predictable! while hoards old scrap solos are still killing the 60! think the 60 is on a managed decline.
They've actually put it on the 74's today
Route 3 diversion https://www.facebook.com/102628331691000/posts/pfbid02Fy5s24z5vsF1TpG21bAQLV8iY1DDpU8SxeUdqN7CRff7resC2Xob2jJ2bYu5KSjxl/?sfnsn=scwspmo
Surprise surprise, 166 Solo SR brokedown in Stafford on the 432. 22 Enviro200 has had to come out to replace it. Seems to have been in an accident of some sort as its missing 1 of its front headlights
no surprises there with the un reliable Optare products, even bravely been putting them shed SR's 104 & 106 over on the 481/432 a couple of days too :grin: . 144 & 169 metro city's rarely seem to complete a full day let alone a full week of late too, and that horrid green versa thing stuck on the inter urban slog while the big scania tootles around pye green empty most the day hehe
Quote from: solonightrider on July 06, 2022, 10:37:32 PMno surprises there with the un reliable Optare products, even bravely been putting them shed SR's 104 & 106 over on the 481/432 a couple of days too :grin: . 144 & 169 metro city's rarely seem to complete a full day let alone a full week of late too, and that horrid green versa thing stuck on the inter urban slog while the big scania tootles around pye green empty most the day hehe
Yep noticed that. Do question the Scania alloctation in the Pye Green's
Dennis Dart 555 SN55 DVC has gone to Centrebus South so no more darts at Chaserider now
Apparently theres 3 or 4 of the ex Arriva B7RLEs off the road with blown engines.theyre gonna be short on heavyweights lol
Quote from: Bob on July 12, 2022, 09:29:25 AMApparently theres 3 or 4 of the ex Arriva B7RLEs off the road with blown engines.theyre gonna be short on heavyweights lol
Noticed a theme here with ex Arriva buses. There engines keep blowing out. Also noticed they never really put the commander out now. Its turned into 132 being a shy worker
Quote from: Bob on July 12, 2022, 09:29:25 AMApparently theres 3 or 4 of the ex Arriva B7RLEs off the road with blown engines.theyre gonna be short on heavyweights lol
Don't worry they've got solos they can rely on
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on July 12, 2022, 04:30:28 PMDon't worry they've got solos they can rely on
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 4 solos didnt make it through the day yesterday and theres about the same number if not more been off road for ages lol
i'm curious how they can pull vehicles off daily registered services to go on to contract work [ie amazon] leaving some registered services standing, surely this isnt right?
Registered bus services are a legal requirement. Do they have a TM in place at Cannock. Lots of missing mileage on the 60 today its not good!! Wonder why the DVSA not picking up on all of this and asking some serious questions. Lots of compliance issues here arising.
Three of the 4 buses on the 60 today broje down. 162 was pulled off pye greens to be stuck on 60s. 180 was towed off from lichfield earlier. Think it was 40, t1 (or 52) and 180 that failed. When will they learn that knackered mini/midi buses are evidently not up to interurban routes. 190 was also took off Pye Greens leaving a 45 min gap on a 15 min service. Although bus times isnt 100 perc, 16 buses were already VOR today, add to that the mulyitude of breakdowns, incl an eatly morning 71, an early 841 ,a 74 and multiple on the 60 and almost half the fleet isnt operational. No wonder passenger numbers are still plummeting, shocking
I read posts on this thread most days and can't understand why the authorities haven't acted. I don't know if the breakdowns are put down to Covid and the company protests that 'you can't get the staff'.
Quote from: Stevo on July 14, 2022, 10:38:30 AMI read posts on this thread most days and can't understand why the authorities haven't acted. I don't know if the breakdowns are put down to Covid and the company protests that 'you can't get the staff'.
The early 70 broke down this morning ( one that people would use for work too) first thing. It was 162 a solo with form for breaking down, and tbe 60 broke down again first thing in cannock. Imagine being a passenger yesterday and today on the 60, wouldnt give you much hope lol
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on July 01, 2022, 05:54:28 AMI just hope Labour come in to at least try and fix some things
I have no interest in Labour or polotics but no other party can ruin things as much as the Tories
Cheshire East is ran by Labour and they are no better.
Quote from: solonightrider on July 13, 2022, 09:53:17 PMi'm curious how they can pull vehicles off daily registered services to go on to contract work [ie amazon] leaving some registered services standing, surely this isnt right?
Registered bus services are a legal requirement. Do they have a TM in place at Cannock. Lots of missing mileage on the 60 today its not good!! Wonder why the DVSA not picking up on all of this and asking some serious questions. Lots of compliance issues here arising.
Because the Traffic Commissioners only care if they personally have a dislike for a firm. They don't care otherwise. I've alerted the TC to issues in the past where a firm was operating reliability at around 50%. They couldn't care less.
They certainly shouldn't be taking buses off for Amazon work. That said, it seems to be a common thing in the industry. Chase easy money and shaft the normal passengers. Stagecoach Liverpool dragged off loads of their local routes to do an Anfield concert bus. Stagecoach now bringing in loads of reduced timetables (and going against all of the BSIP and partnerships which say about coordinated change dates) so they can send buses to the Commonwealth games.
The 60's allocations seem decent today. 2 MCV's, a Scania & a versa. Could this be a sign of improvements? . However, 132 & 133 are on the 74's which is very weird as they are very reliable
Another thing I just noticed is....... 182 A SOLO is on the 74's WTH
64 has ventured out after being off road for over 2 months
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on July 15, 2022, 06:23:53 AMThe 60's allocations seem decent today. 2 MCV's, a Scania & a versa. Could this be a sign of improvements? . However, 132 & 133 are on the 74's which is very weird as they are very reliable
The scania was soon removed and put on to pye green , and the solo off pye green was put out on the 60!!
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on July 15, 2022, 06:40:40 AMAnother thing I just noticed is....... 182 A SOLO is on the 74's WTH
I just don't get the logic of allocations, big heavy interurban type vehicles on pye greens, and clapped out unreliable mini buses on interurban, commercial suicide or a managed decline mmmm
I honestly don't get it. They've put 2 solos today on it. I swear they're just trying to kill routes. Or do they know they haven't got much time left so they're making as much damage as they can before they go
66chas expired in Cannock on the 63 with a queue of passengers left stransed
67 broke down ae well on 432 this morning. I can see where the nickmame Streets#ites came from 🤣
Quote from: Bob on July 16, 2022, 12:18:26 PM66chas expired in Cannock on the 63 with a queue of passengers left stransed
What happened to 66?
"Managed decline" "trying to kill routes" why on earth would a commercial business do this, it wouldn't make any business sense at all. End of the day the management know their buses & their network requirements.
Quote from: Steveminor on July 16, 2022, 09:31:40 PM"Managed decline" "trying to kill routes" why on earth would a commercial business do this, it wouldn't make any business sense at all. End of the day the management know their buses & their network requirements.
well they are already pulling vehicles off daily registered bus services to cover 'contract' work recently won, leaving joe public with out the services advertised, thought that was classed as a non compliant issue?? so yes a managed decline leading to ' 'oh its not carrying any one plea lets bin it ' would free up relevant vehicles for said contract work, run the network to the ground, and its happening on a daily basis. Why trundle big thirsty scania's and volvo's around a local circular all following one another all day and pop you most unreliable, unsuitable small capacity heaps of junk on the longer interurban work, Surely a 25 seater solo isn't the tool for the job on busy interurban timetable workings around school times. I have seen them full to the brim leaving folk behind whilst the more suitable vehicles are trundling round the green carrying fresh air. the amount of solo failures on interurban working is also quite eyewatering, lost revenue, lost mileages , shambles. These Solos are excellent on fuel i guess, struggle to use half a tank a week! :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
Quote from: Steveminor on July 16, 2022, 09:31:40 PM"Managed decline" "trying to kill routes" why on earth would a commercial business do this, it wouldn't make any business sense at all. End of the day the management know their buses & their network requirements.
So you think Chaserider is a good operation then with minimal faults? If management know their buses and network requirements, why are buses failing so often and why isn't capacity meeting demand? Or is capacity meeting demand now that people have all given up and jumped back into their car because of the absolutely appalling service that Chaserider offer. Let's Go have better maintenance than this and could probably run the network 10x better too!
Chaserider are doing like what Arriva did in my area. They killed off route 3 which happened to link between 4 places on their core network (they had the 4 and X4 remaining between the 4 core points.). They killed demand so low on the 3 so then no one else could take it over and risk the viability of the 4 and X4 if passengers happened to use the new company on route 3 and the new company offered cheaper fares etc. They managed decline to save the rest of their network and avoid the potential of anyone competing against them.
The 62 has been reregisted from the 5th September 2022 so it won't be scrapped. However, it is not decided IF it will return to a Saturday service
Quote from: IMarkeh on July 17, 2022, 02:32:24 AMSo you think Chaserider is a good operation then with minimal faults? If management know their buses and network requirements, why are buses failing so often and why isn't capacity meeting demand? Or is capacity meeting demand now that people have all given up and jumped back into their car because of the absolutely appalling service that Chaserider offer. Let's Go have better maintenance than this and could probably run the network 10x better too!
Chaserider are doing like what Arriva did in my area. They killed off route 3 which happened to link between 4 places on their core network (they had the 4 and X4 remaining between the 4 core points.). They killed demand so low on the 3 so then no one else could take it over and risk the viability of the 4 and X4 if passengers happened to use the new company on route 3 and the new company offered cheaper fares etc. They managed decline to save the rest of their network and avoid the potential of anyone competing against them.
Agreed. Caught 163 on 26 30 mins ago. Bus could barely get up bradbury lane incline then it started to smell of burning. By the time we got back to pye green road the bus was pumping out fumes inside to the point two old ladies said they had a headache. Drivwr rney with Had to do remainder of journey with doora open. Leaking a load of diesel apparently. Dumped in cannock broke down now. Aside from it sounding knackered for a while the interior waa filthy, none of the panels ( which were black) looked like theyd been cleaned for months
Commonwealth Games Fleet List:
65 - Wright Streetlite DF
144 - Optare Metrocity
538 - Enviro200 MMC
610 - Wright Streetlite DF
611 - Wright Streetliter
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on July 27, 2022, 08:30:07 PMCommonwealth Games Fleet List:
65 - Wright Streetlite DF
144 - Optare Metrocity
538 - Enviro200 MMC
610 - Wright Streetlite DF
611 - Wright Streetliter
Wonder why no solos mmm lol , no doubt be over run with solos on 74 etc then looming
Quote from: solonightrider on July 27, 2022, 09:49:11 PMWonder why no solos mmm lol , no doubt be over run with solos on 74 etc then looming
4 of the 5 red Streetlites are barely ever out, esp the two door ones. Weird, they must be particularly unreliable
63 and 309 confirmed withdrawn
63 withdrawn really ? was having engine sorted the other day, couple of its of body work bits missing, bumper be off as its been recovered, and back panel's off, prob to gain engine access. I would be rather surprised to withdraw one of the newer members of the fleet tbh time will tell....
190 and 690 are withdrawn
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on July 30, 2022, 07:08:57 AM190 and 690 are withdrawn
more 'scrap' solos for cannock to be dumped with then no doubt looming. :angry:
Quote from: solonightrider on July 30, 2022, 11:40:57 PMmore 'scrap' solos for cannock to be dumped with then no doubt looming. :angry:
Yep. 2 solos are now over from Centrebus in the yard
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on July 31, 2022, 06:10:44 PMYep. 2 solos are now over from Centrebus in the yard
Being 19 seaters, i imagine theyll stick them on really appropriate longer distance services like the other Solos
Quote from: Bob on July 31, 2022, 06:55:46 PMBeing 19 seaters, i imagine theyll stick them on really appropriate longer distance services like the other Solos
Which two have come from Centrebus?
Quote from: Bob on July 31, 2022, 06:55:46 PMBeing 19 seaters, i imagine theyll stick them on really appropriate longer distance services like the other Solos
For the 74/826/828 mate 😉😉
Quote from: Jamie A on July 31, 2022, 07:57:18 PMFor the 74/826/828 mate 😉😉
How come? Have loadings improved ? 🤣🤣
Quote from: Bob on July 31, 2022, 10:39:05 PMHow come? Have loadings improved ? 🤣🤣
haha yes and this will sort out the reliability issues even more pmsl
Chaserider have been awarded a couple of school contracts from September.
A variation of the 70 numbered "70A" that serves Cheslyn Hay High School
And a service 766 which goes from Whittington to King Edwards V1 school in Lichfield
Quote from: BusMan Greg on August 02, 2022, 12:01:05 PMChaserider have been awarded a couple of school contracts from September.
A variation of the 70 numbered "70A" that serves Cheslyn Hay High School
And a service 766 which goes from Whittington to King Edwards V1 school in Lichfield
Will they have enough roadworthy full sized buses to fulfil them or randomnly take them of registered services like they do now lol
Chaserider changes from September have been published.
1 - Introduced off peak, between schools. running hourly Huntington - Great Wyrley
25/26 - Last buses cut and Saturdays reduced to every 20 minutes.
60 - Times are changed
62 - Times are changed
63 - Pear Tree Estate withdrawn
70 - Times are changed
71 - No longer run via Great Wyrley at any time or between Essington and Wolverhampton at peak times or on Saturdays due to low usage.
74 - Brocton, Sawpit Lane timing point moved to Huntington Oak Avenue
841 - Morning peak 08:09SCH/08:19SH Weston to Stafford retimed to run 10 mins later (08:19SCH/08:29SH)
Quote from: IMarkeh on August 03, 2022, 10:55:28 PMChaserider changes from September have been published.
1 - Introduced off peak, between schools. running hourly Huntington - Great Wyrley
25/26 - Last buses cut and Saturdays reduced to every 20 minutes.
60 - Times are changed
62 - Times are changed
63 - Pear Tree Estate withdrawn
70 - Times are changed
71 - No longer run via Great Wyrley at any time or between Essington and Wolverhampton at peak times or on Saturdays due to low usage.
74 - Brocton, Sawpit Lane timing point moved to Huntington Oak Avenue
841 - Morning peak 08:09SCH/08:19SH Weston to Stafford retimed to run 10 mins later (08:19SCH/08:29SH)
Cutting Essington is the most awful desicion ever
Are all these cuts actually making any difference?
Don't seem to be.
To be honest, re yesterday, I'm surprised it was Midland Classic & not these!
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on August 04, 2022, 06:24:07 AMCutting Essington is the most awful desicion ever
I would gather that most people that want the bus in Essington would just walk down to Ashmore Park and get one of the very frequent buses from there?
This is another case of where services vastly differ between places that are close to each other just because of where the county border is, right?
Quote from: ellspurs on August 04, 2022, 02:09:27 PMI would gather that most people that want the bus in Essington would just walk down to Ashmore Park and get one of the very frequent buses from there?
This is another case of where services vastly differ between places that are close to each other just because of where the county border is, right?
How much of a walk is it?
If there was space for an access road, like there is at Perton, it would solve the problem!
Quote from: Westy on August 04, 2022, 03:21:07 PMHow much of a walk is it?
If there was space for an access road, like there is at Perton, it would solve the problem!
If we go from what look like the closest bus stops, IE the 71 stop at Blackhalve Lane/New Street to the 59 stop at Griffiths Drive/Ferguson Street, Google is saying that it is 0.6 miles, or 11 minutes. There's a public footpath going past the rugby club. When I checked initially, I clicked up by where I've been in Essington, Bognop Road, which said it was about 20 minutes to a stop on Griffiths Drive.
The current roads are navigable for buses, but if there was the call for buses up there then surely Chaserider wouldn't be cutting the service back, right? The main issue for NX sending a bus up there would be the lack of an area to turn around in, and looping around the most logical place would miss over half of the village out.
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on August 04, 2022, 06:24:07 AMCutting Essington is the most awful desicion ever
Read the timetables - Essington still has a service six days a week.
Quote from: ContainsNuts on August 04, 2022, 06:34:16 PMRead the timetables - Essington still has a service six days a week.
Only from Wolves tho. Its not serving it one bit to wolves
They're actually reducing the frequency of the 25/26 to every 20 min on Saturdays, cutting out some of the buses at PM peak time and finishing it an hour early, from what I can make out of the timetables.
Quote from: ellspurs on August 06, 2022, 03:17:59 PMThey're actually reducing the frequency of the 25/26 to every 20 min on Saturdays, cutting out some of the buses at PM peak time and finishing it an hour early, from what I can make out of the timetables.
That's correct. From what a driver told me is the manager likes to mess around with routes & timetables and just axe them for no reason. The only reason why the 1 is coming back is because the managers wife is having a go at him because she keeps getting stranded on the A34 by Dog Tree because the buses keep getting filled with pushchairs so she's being stranded until there's a bus space for a push chair
Another thing the driver said is the buses are in that bad of state only 748 and streetlite are the best buses in the fleet right now. All the volvos are going badly wrong now. Just kinda shows how bad a fleet is if drivers say streetlites are the best and they're ashamed of saying it
QuoteThat's correct. From what a driver told me is the manager likes to mess around with routes & timetables and just axe them for no reason. The only reason why the 1 is coming back is because the managers wife is having a go at him because she keeps getting stranded on the A34 by Dog Tree because the buses keep getting filled with pushchairs so she's being stranded until there's a bus space for a push chair
I suspect this is not in the slightest true
Certain that's not true
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on August 06, 2022, 05:03:06 PMThat's correct. From what a driver told me is the manager likes to mess around with routes & timetables and just axe them for no reason. The only reason why the 1 is coming back is because the managers wife is having a go at him because she keeps getting stranded on the A34 by Dog Tree because the buses keep getting filled with pushchairs so she's being stranded until there's a bus space for a push chair
If a driver said it then it must be true 🙄
Bus driver told me the reason for the changes in timetables was it's a secret code to our alien overlords telling them when to attack :evil:
Quote from: Steveminor on August 07, 2022, 08:06:39 AMBus driver told me the reason for the changes in timetables was it's a secret code to our alien overlords telling them when to attack :evil:
Didn't you know? They want to destroy the UK for an intergalactic road
New Chaserider route starting September 3rd will be routed as 'AV2' it'll cover cannock, burntwood, Brownhills and then Aston Villa FC on home match days
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on August 08, 2022, 05:38:18 PMNew Chaserider route starting September 3rd will be routed as 'AV2' it'll cover cannock, burntwood, Brownhills and then Aston Villa FC on home match days
Well I know one Villa fan in Great Wryley.
Whether he can make use of the service is another matter!
Quote from: Westy on August 08, 2022, 09:50:00 PMWell I know one Villa fan in Great Wryley.
Whether he can make use of the service is another matter!
Hed have to get to Cannock to board it lol
Quote from: Bob on August 08, 2022, 11:29:06 PMHed have to get to Cannock to board it lol
Good thing the 1 will be starting lol
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on August 09, 2022, 07:48:28 AMGood thing the 1 will be starting lol
Based on what I've read on here, I'd be surprised if the bus gets to Leamore Park, let alone Villa Park!
Quote from: Westy on August 09, 2022, 11:29:07 AMBased on what I've read on here, I'd be surprised if the bus gets to Leamore Park, let alone Villa Park!
🤣🤣🤣 true
Quote from: Bob on August 08, 2022, 11:29:06 PMHed have to get to Cannock to board it lol
Whats wrong with the X51?
Quote from: 2206 on August 09, 2022, 04:55:43 PMWhats wrong with the X51?
Suppose it depends where in wyrley you are.
They were abysmal today with failurea. 180 got took off 62 leaving passengers stranded and went on to an 828 cos an MCV ( and the Versa) had failed on those services. Leqving a 2hr gap between 12.30 and 2.30pm on the 62 and passengers left stranded waiting another hour in this heat
Quote from: Bob on August 09, 2022, 06:27:49 PMThey were abysmal today with failurea. 180 got took off 62 leaving passengers stranded and went on to an 828 cos an MCV ( and the Versa) had failed on those services. Leqving a 2hr gap between 12.30 and 2.30pm on the 62 and passengers left stranded waiting another hour in this heat
3 scrap solos on the 74/828 circuit again, wonder when the cannock, stafford & stoke areas will be going blue.... Wonder what's happened to 799 metro city seems to of disappeared, pye green will be suffering lol
Quote from: solonightrider on August 09, 2022, 09:40:21 PM3 scrap solos on the 74/828 circuit again, wonder when the cannock, stafford & stoke areas will be going blue.... Wonder what's happened to 799 metro city seems to of disappeared, pye green will be suffering lol
I wonder if anyone blue would even want em lol?
Supriss me the Traffic Commissioners have not had many complaints on service unreliability
With checks taken place & action .
Quote from: Bob on August 09, 2022, 09:45:31 PMI wonder if anyone blue would even want em lol?
Good question.
Quote from: Vulcan on August 09, 2022, 11:09:49 PMSupriss me the Traffic Commissioners have not had many complaints on service unreliability
With checks taken place & action .
Very good question !
True to form this morning, 2hr gap from the get go as 104 ( the really unreliable solo) failed on the 07.00 63 Cannock to Rugeley. Nothing after that till 9am...
Quote from: Westy on August 09, 2022, 11:29:07 AMBased on what I've read on here, I'd be surprised if the bus gets to Leamore Park, let alone Villa Park!
They're putting three solos on it, one will follow the first for when it breaks down, the third will be cover for the second when that breaks down🤣🤣
Quote from: 888DUK on August 10, 2022, 04:24:06 PMThey're putting three solos on it, one will follow the first for when it breaks down, the third will be cover for the second when that breaks down🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So they cut the buses through longfors to once an hour, then the streets##te on it disappears fron the map, it tjen meqns theres now a two hour gap in service on the 70 and the 71 ( 70 turns into 71 at cannock) . Ypu call the 01543 number and get through to Leicester! Absolute joke of a company
Quote from: Vulcan on August 09, 2022, 11:09:49 PMSupriss me the Traffic Commissioners have not had many complaints on service unreliability
With checks taken place & action .
Our traffic commissioners wouldn't do anything anyway. They are absolutely spineless when it comes enforcing local bus registrations. They let operators do what they want and everyone knows it. There is no incentive to hit the 95% reliability target (1 minute early - 6 minutes late)
Quote from: Bob on August 12, 2022, 02:12:30 PMSo they cut the buses through longfors to once an hour, then the streets##te on it disappears fron the map, it tjen meqns theres now a two hour gap in service on the 70 and the 71 ( 70 turns into 71 at cannock) . Ypu call the 01543 number and get through to Leicester! Absolute joke of a company
Wasn't Arriva the same?
Has any company been decent in the Cannock area since deregulation? Doesn't sound like it.
Quote from: ellspurs on August 13, 2022, 09:27:22 AMHas any company been decent in the Cannock area since deregulation? Doesn't sound like it.
MRN were quite good in 80s 90s with their Tigers and Olympians and refurbed Nationals, WMT too with Timesavers etc
Everyone knocking them now are the ones who thought they would be the saviour and Platinum style new buses (ok may be not the last bit )
Unfortunately low passengers numbers equals low or zero investment. A coat of red paint dont fix the issue. Be careful what you wish for and watch what happens in Burton in the coming weeks
Quote from: andyr on August 13, 2022, 06:00:04 PMEveryone knocking them now are the ones who thought they would be the saviour and Platinum style new buses (ok may be not the last bit )
Unfortunately low passengers numbers equals low or zero investment. A coat of red paint dont fix the issue. Be careful what you wish for and watch what happens in Burton in the coming weeks
The only thing id wiah for is a reliable service where you dont have to check an app to see if your hourly service isnt just later, if its even running at all. When you provide an abysmal service, low passenger numbers just get lower
187 & 190 SB200 Wright Commanders are back in service
Must have plenty of buses and drivers today as they were doing the Walsall - Rugeley Rail Replacement
Quote from: Tony on August 19, 2022, 08:35:02 PMMust have plenty of buses and drivers today as they were doing the Walsall - Rugeley Rail Replacement
Thought I saw the rear end of one by Bloxwich Asda around half 4 today?
More changes
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/local-hubs/staffordshire/2022/08/31/cannock-bus-passengers-facing-service-changes/
Something has got to give in Cannock!
Quote from: Westy on September 02, 2022, 07:09:01 AMSomething has got to give in Cannock!
Yes it's called Rotala... don't think it won't happen because I can see it being the case before much longer
Quote from: hlliwmai on September 02, 2022, 04:44:00 PMYes it's called Rotala... don't think it won't happen because I can see it being the case before much longer
Really? Why would anyone want cannock?
If people are not using the service it will have to change as it needs to make a profit not a lose I know people need buses but look at the cost wages fuel etc
Quote from: Solo1 on September 03, 2022, 10:05:00 PMIf people are not using the service it will have to change as it needs to make a profit not a lose I know people need buses but look at the cost wages fuel etc
I'd imagine recovery is their biggest cost lol. The amount of breakdowns theyve had is astonishing
Quote from: Solo1 on September 03, 2022, 10:05:00 PMIf people are not using the service it will have to change as it needs to make a profit not a lose I know people need buses but look at the cost wages fuel etc
Councils used to subsidise socialky necessary vehicles, staffs arent really bothered anymore
New times etc goimg well, no pye green circs for over 30 mins, 104 came in on one went out of service, 180 been sat in the lay by for an hr. Theres now a queue to the btm of bus stn
40 broke down just before jubilee pub on pye green road on top of a crossroads causing chaos too
No sure how many know any of Chaseriders staff
Just felt in right to advise that the sudden passing of their Engineering Manager / Fleet Engineer early Sunday morning
A very nice guy will be missed by many others.
Quote from: Vulcan on September 15, 2022, 09:41:20 PMNo sure how many know any of Chaseriders staff
Just felt in right to advise that the sudden passing of their Engineering Manager / Fleet Engineer early Sunday morning
A very nice guy will be missed by many others.
Very sad to hear. Thoughts are with the family, friends and staff ❤️
FJ06ZTN noted parked up at Centrebus Leicester depot and possibly another one.
Quote from: Mayfield on September 27, 2022, 07:17:41 AMFJ06ZTN noted parked up at Centrebus Leicester depot and possibly another one.
Both ZTN & ZTK have perm moved there
4 and a half hr gap in service on tje 1 today. How to lose passengers without saying you want to lose passengers 🤣
Quote from: Bob on October 03, 2022, 08:00:59 PM4 and a half hr gap in service on tje 1 today. How to lose passengers without saying you want to lose passengers 🤣
Breakdowns, lack of drivers or both?
Quote from: Westy on October 03, 2022, 10:48:04 PMBreakdowns, lack of drivers or both?
Breakdowns. 1 brokedown on the 3 at 1:30 ish came out the next day on the 1 to breakdown after 1 journey at 9am then brought it back out on the 62 which then broke down again after 2 journeys. 671 came off the 62 to replace 1 at 13:24
178 now withdrawn. 611 now the only Cannock Chase radio liveried bus
Quote178 now withdrawn. 611 now the only Cannock Chase radio liveried bus
I believe 611 has been done in the Cannock chase radio to replace 178 which didnt have long left
Quote from: WalsallBuses2007 on October 10, 2022, 10:18:53 PMI believe 611 has been done in the Cannock chase radio to replace 178 which didnt have long left
I belive so. 661 is due to be withdrawn at centrebus this week so I'll imagine it'll come over to join the others
Missing service on 828 - 0933 Lichfield to Stafford this morning
Quote from: LNational on October 19, 2022, 12:16:15 PMMissing service on 828 - 0933 Lichfield to Stafford this morning
197 broke down i think
Fleet News -
178 now officially withdrawn from the fleet following MOT expiry. Not being renewed
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on October 27, 2022, 07:32:21 AMFleet News -
178 now officially withdrawn from the fleet following MOT expiry. Not being renewed
Good riddence lol
The 70 and 71 are being withdrawn from January
https://twitter.com/ChaseriderBus/status/1589996093567553536?t=xmeW5r4mPgoaCio2XWgXQw&s=19
Saturday service on the 62 returns
Pye Greens a joke again today. Already 1 bus down, then 52 has broke down literally right in front of temp roadworks lights in Hednesford causing chaos, been sat on 63 for 15 mins and still havent got past it. I dont know how theyve won tenders in Telford they cant even manage to run registered journeys in Cannock! Pye greens are 15 mins frequency and dqily have gaps 40 min plus
What are the Tenders in Telford they have won ?
Loads of service cancellations on DVSA today for Chaserider...
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QuoteLoads of service cancellations on DVSA today for Chaserider...
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Probably putting them on the Chaserider license https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/view-details/licence/576201
I heard the 841 was going back to D and G,70 71 have been cancellled from 31st Dec
Select are rumoured to be purchasing extra buses. 2+2=???
Lol
I'd assume they're being put on the chaserider license. Some of them routes being actually withdrawn is a bit hard to believe
After doing some research all them cancellations have been moved onto the Chaserider license including the 70,71 & 70A. That being said the 70 routes have and are not being withdrawn
Fleet News: 539 Enviro200 MMC is now over from Centrebus
The new registration says the 70 will run from cannock to Cheslyn Hay only. Seriously thos company is an utter disaster. They cant even maintain their buses. The 63, a 1 bus working, had FOUR different buses on it on Thursday due to breakdowns. The 62, a supposedly hourly service, had no buses between 2.30pm and 5pm from Cannock, again due to breakdowns. The Pye greens cant even manage a 30 minute frequency, let alone a 15 min one. Bus 52 the one that broke down and was left dumped for hours on weds got sent out again Thursday and broke down again. They cant even manage rail replacement, they sent one of their crappiest Solos that broke down and had to be towed back. They make cowboy operators look professional!
I had heard although it's probably chinese whispers that Diamond are (or were) in talks to buy Chaserider although how true that was I don't know as I said it could be chinese whispers and nothing more than that just wait & see I mean who could of foresaw Diamond buying Midland Classic or Johnson's I know I didn't
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 12, 2022, 09:38:28 PMI had heard although it's probably chinese whispers that Diamond are (or were) in talks to buy Chaserider although how true that was I don't know as I said it could be chinese whispers and nothing more than that just wait & see I mean who could of foresaw Diamond buying Midland Classic or Johnson's I know I didn't
Something needs to happen up there for definite!
Diamond wanted to buy the Cannock garage a few years ago but the bid was rejected.
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 12, 2022, 09:38:28 PMI had heard although it's probably chinese whispers that Diamond are (or were) in talks to buy Chaserider although how true that was I don't know as I said it could be chinese whispers and nothing more than that just wait & see I mean who could of foresaw Diamond buying Midland Classic or Johnson's I know I didn't
I heard something similar a while ago. It would fill the gap between Diamonds other areas
Quote
Given the recent acquisition of Midland Classic, adding the Chaserider services would seem a good addition although whether D&G would be or are looking to sell is unknown.
Given the recent cancellations of service registrations in D & G's name and re-in-statement under Chaserider Buses Ltd, there has to be a possibility of a sale but nothing is certain and even if it did happen does anyone think it will miraculously make an instant difference. Lets be honest here, if anyone does take over the business the first thing they are going to do is cull the non-profitable routes just as Chaserider are doing at present.
193 broke down on 826 this morning, abd got replaced by 180 which also decided to break down. Why send a 15 year old Solo with reliability issues to cover pretty intensive interurban work when theyve got full sized buses running around empty on locals. Madness
Quote from: Grinder on November 14, 2022, 08:34:04 AMGiven the recent cancellations of service registrations in D & G's name and re-in-statement under Chaserider Buses Ltd, there has to be a possibility of a sale but nothing is certain and even if it did happen does anyone think it will miraculously make an instant difference. Lets be honest here, if anyone does take over the business the first thing they are going to do is cull the non-profitable routes just as Chaserider are doing at present.
I remember reading all the whining and complaints when Arriva used to run the services in Cannock.
I also remember the 'excitement' when it was announced that D&G were to acquire the Arriva operations and reintroduce the 'Chaserider' brand.
Now the same people who moaned endlessly about Arriva are making the same complaints about Chaserider.
So really not much changed after all, and it probably wouldn't matter if someone else ended up acquiring the operation.
I'd suggest that Cannock is another area of managed decline in recent years with no real prospect of returning to the glory days.
Hence why I think it would be a risk for any company to move in there, there just won't be the scope for any sort of significant profit margin. Without that, companies can't afford to invest in new vehicles or try new routes out which may attract new patronage, instead relying on older vehicles which do nothing to attract any new passengers. It's a vicious circle replicated in many suburban towns outside of the big cities. Decline leads to more decline, etc etc.
I look at Redditch and Kidderminster as similar areas where the last 20 years have seen a managed decline. I do think Rotala have tried their best in those areas in recent years and the decline is not as quick as previously but I do feel there is a reason why none of the larger companies look at these sort of places - the profit to risk ratio is surely too much.
Would it have been any better if the Chaserider rejig hadn't happened in 1980?
Quote from: Westy on November 14, 2022, 09:23:39 PMWould it have been any better if the Chaserider rejig hadn't happened in 1980?
Howd you mean? That was in part about WMPTE/MR routes changing hands and WMPTE keeping exclusivity on the Walsall routes wadnt it? Infacr i dont think Midland Red went up Pye Green Road again til the minibuses in 1986
Quote from: Bob on November 14, 2022, 09:35:56 PMHowd you mean? That was in part about WMPTE/MR routes changing hands and WMPTE keeping exclusivity on the Walsall routes wadnt it? Infacr i dont think Midland Red went up Pye Green Road again til the minibuses in 1986
Mind you, they've got exclusivity on the Walsall route, as no one else is interested in it!
Quote from: Westy on November 14, 2022, 09:41:41 PMMind you, they've got exclusivity on the Walsall route, as no one else is interested in it!
Well Chaserider were, but the 1 was pretty unreliable. There was a 90 min gap due to breakdowns on at least 2 occasiobs, and 1hr gaps regularly due to them etc. I remember being stuck in Bloxwich and ending up getting the X51
Quote from: Westy on November 14, 2022, 09:41:41 PMMind you, they've got exclusivity on the Walsall route, as no one else is interested in it!
Not to mention the flop that was the 74 extension.
Kidderminster, Redditch, Cannock, Rugeley and Bromsgrove have had their rail connections improved in recent decades hence the demise of certain bus services 144 and 192 as an example, rail is faster and more frequent than before
Exactly. When not on strike the railway is far more reliable than the bus, although not necessarily as convenient as the bus.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on November 15, 2022, 09:38:58 AMExactly. When not on strike the railway is far more reliable than the bus, although not necessarily as convenient as the bus.
Ironically, in Cannock the Cannock to Birmingham bus is probably busier than the routes that dont hace a rail alternative
There whispers in the air saying that 1, 2, 538 & 539 will be repainted into a red and green livery for the Pye Green to be route branded
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on November 22, 2022, 03:10:09 PMThere whispers in the air saying that 1, 2, 538 & 539 will be repainted into a red and green livery for the Pye Green to be route branded
Dunno why they'd bother, as the buses concerned will more than likely appear on other routes anyway!
Quote from: Westy on November 22, 2022, 06:23:50 PMDunno why they'd bother, as the buses concerned will more than likely appear on other routes anyway!
They cant even run pye greens. Its a 5 vehicle working and mid morning today driver said there were only 2 of 5 buses running due to not enough buses. A SR Solo. Elderly people had to stand to the back of the bus. 45 min gaps. It happens pretty much daily.
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on November 22, 2022, 03:10:09 PMThere whispers in the air saying that 1, 2, 538 & 539 will be repainted into a red and green livery for the Pye Green to be route branded
Well bus number 1 is out in the usual red livery today so guess that answered that one lol,,,,, don't need mmcs on pye green complete waste of a valuable asset which would be better used elsewhere on the network to keep the interurban routes more reliable then current use of s@@@@@d out solos, I would assume these mmcs will be deployed on the new Telford service contacts, no point sending rancid solos out there to break down every 5 minutes the contract would'nt last that long would it. Better to keep us folk of staffordshire interurban routes in the gutter with unreliable old solos and various other time expired heaps failing right left and centre, staffs cc don't give two hoots.
Any idea when the Telford Routes are gonna start?
The revised Arriva Telford area timetables start on 3 Jan 2023 so I would imagine that's when the Chaserider routes will start.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on November 28, 2022, 08:15:06 PMThe revised Arriva Telford area timetables start on 3 Jan 2023 so I would imagine that's when the Chaserider routes will start.
Telford routes?...... have I missed something which routes are these then?
Quote from: Rachvince53 on November 28, 2022, 08:15:06 PMThe revised Arriva Telford area timetables start on 3 Jan 2023 so I would imagine that's when the Chaserider routes will start.
god help Telford folk when this shower show up, if our local area no shows or rancid small optare solo heaps keep breaking down or cannot cope on capacity is anything to go by !
Quote from: solonightrider on November 29, 2022, 10:04:44 PMgod help Telford folk when this shower show up, if our local area no shows or rancid small optare solo heaps keep breaking down or cannot cope on capacity is anything to go by !
Theyll probably get the cream of the fleet, 10 year old streetlites ( the couple theyve managed to keep going out of 6) or E200s, that currently get stuck on 841/432 daily. It's like they don't dare put anything else on those routes 🤣
Talking of the telford routes, a timetable for a new route 100 between Wellington and Madeley is now on their website.
The route is as follows: Madeley, Sutton Hill, Haresfield, Brookside, Stafford Park, Princess Royal Hospital, Wellington.
I think thats correct anyway
Looks about right. First departure is 0450 from Madeley and 0455 in the opposite direction with last at 1005pm. Service runs DAILY.
Service begins 19th December and is under contract to Telford and Wrekin Council.
What PVR will be required for Telford set up ?
Fleet News:
40 (YX09 FMG) is now withdrawn along with 193 (FJ58 HYS) and 99 (YX11 CTV)
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on December 07, 2022, 05:22:36 PMFleet News:
40 (YX09 FMG) is now withdrawn along with 193 (FJ58 HYS) and 99 (YX11 CTV)
99 isn't withdrawn as I saw it on the 841 on Monday
Quote from: ntw456 on December 15, 2022, 10:28:27 PM99 isn't withdrawn as I saw it on the 841 on Monday
They brought it out of retirement. It was originally withdrawn but due lack of buses it couldn't be withdrawn
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on December 15, 2022, 10:58:37 PMThey brought it out of retirement. It was originally withdrawn but due lack of buses it couldn't be withdrawn
Think they need to withdraw solos before owt else, this e200 is one of the newer of the fleet compared to clapped out wreck solo sheds.
Solo been in the 828 this week !
Quote from: solonightrider on December 16, 2022, 11:24:54 PMThink they need to withdraw solos before owt else, this e200 is one of the newer of the fleet compared to clapped out wreck solo sheds.
They've just brought 163 back to life
Quote from: LNational on December 17, 2022, 10:36:27 AMSolo been in the 828 this week !
A few have, including 2 SR's
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on December 18, 2022, 06:53:00 PMA few have, including 2 SR's
coach aid will be getting excited then :-) why they use these bags of unreliable scrap on the longer interurban routes and keep bigger / newer / more reliable stuff on the quiet routes is beyond any logic at all! 25 seat sheds aint the tool for the job especially at school /peak times, it seems like they don't want the route, stick a solo on it - kill it off - job done!
Lets hope these solos are dumped on to the Telford area if they could actually make it that far to start with !
More cuts to service 71 (Wolves - Cannock). From 1st January 2023 this service will only run between Cannock and Essington on Saturdays.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on December 21, 2022, 04:10:36 PMMore cuts to service 71 (Wolves - Cannock). From 1st January 2023 this service will only run between Cannock and Essington on Saturdays.
Following on to this post, the 60 is having its timings altered by 10 mins. Don't let this catch you out
Good news for avid fan Bob, heard today there is a batch of brand new E200mmc's in the yard.
Quote from: BN on December 23, 2022, 05:51:16 PMGood news for avid fan Bob, heard today there is a batch of brand new E200mmc's in the yard.
They must be being stored over the holidays destined for another area or company :smiley: :smiley:
Quote from: BN on December 23, 2022, 05:51:16 PMGood news for avid fan Bob, heard today there is a batch of brand new E200mmc's in the yard.
That still won't please Bob - they'll probably be for new Telford tenders...🤣🤣
Quote from: 888DUK on December 23, 2022, 06:04:08 PMThey must be being stored over the holidays destined for another area or company :smiley: :smiley:
Nope, they are for Cannock depot
Quote from: BN on December 23, 2022, 08:37:16 PMNope, they are for Cannock depot
Good riddance to the remaining Solos fingers crossed,,,,,,,,,, :-) - wishfull thinking , if only !!
Quote from: solonightrider on December 23, 2022, 09:53:49 PMGood riddance to the remaining Solos fingers crossed,,,,,,,,,, :-) - wishfull thinking , if only !!
Nah they'll scrap new buses than the solos. They love them too much
Quote from: winston on December 23, 2022, 08:26:56 PMThat still won't please Bob - they'll probably be for new Telford tenders...🤣🤣
They'll probably put the Solos on the Telfords and the new buses on the Pye Greens lol.
Quote from: 888DUK on December 24, 2022, 04:47:47 PMThey'll probably put the Solos on the Telfords and the new buses on the Pye Greens lol.
Don't be stupid 😂. Only thing replacing solos on the Pye greens is transit vans 😂
You mean the "bread vans" from the 80s? Diamond have kind of brought them back with the Mellor minibuses although they are at least easy access.
There's a double deck parked in Delta Way depot. It looks like Centrebus 930 (PJZ 9450)
Quote from: Tony on January 02, 2023, 05:08:21 PMThere's a double deck parked in Delta Way depot. It looks like Centrebus 930 (PJZ 9450)
Been there quite a while
Three of the 5 buses allocated to the Pye Greens have broke down today... 15 min service running every 40-4/ mins plus as per usual. The Solo SRs arent even reliable enough to run locally it seems.60 also is a bus down.
Why is no one reporting chaserider to the traffic commissioner and DVSA. Clearly the buses aren't serviceable and clearly the reliability is appalling. Get them put through public enquiry and get their licence stripped from them.
Quote from: IMarkeh on January 06, 2023, 05:26:15 PMWhy is no one reporting chaserider to the traffic commissioner and DVSA. Clearly the buses aren't serviceable and clearly the reliability is appalling. Get them put through public enquiry and get their licence stripped from them.
Oh I think they will be done sooner rather than later. However it needs observations from VOSA before an enquiry can be launched I believe and they may be able to continue to operate in the meantime. There's also the need for another operator(s) to take over services should the licence be revoked. I think its more likely that the number of services they can run will be reduced, at least initially. Further action would follow if necessary.
Quote from: IMarkeh on January 06, 2023, 05:26:15 PMWhy is no one reporting chaserider to the traffic commissioner and DVSA. Clearly the buses aren't serviceable and clearly the reliability is appalling. Get them put through public enquiry and get their licence stripped from them.
Have
you reported them?
I suppose you'd prefer to see their licence revoked, and then you'd have no buses or bus services to complain about.
You'd need another operator with the relevant resources available as well!
I suppose Nx might struggle now, with their own shortages?
(Tony is going to say different isn't he?)
I my time in the business we would be certainly have been being monitored by DVLA staff on reliability & missing services, followed up by a maintenance visit & roadside checks.
Passenger complaints were always followed up by their staff
Quote from: Stu on January 06, 2023, 06:10:40 PMHave you reported them?
I suppose you'd prefer to see their licence revoked, and then you'd have no buses or bus services to complain about.
Not likely to happen, as IMarkeh is NW based
Quote from: Vulcan on January 06, 2023, 07:23:57 PMI my time in the business we would be certainly have been being monitored by DVLA staff on reliability & missing services, followed up by a maintenance visit & roadside checks.
Passenger complaints were always followed up by their staff
DVSA sniffed round em a bit before after the axle came off that Volvo in Heath Hayes, id heard a wheel came off a Solo too. The 04 plate Scania got PG9d in Lichfield. When they ran the 1 to Walsall ( and put their worst tat on it) it was plagued with reliability issues, i remember waiting over an hour in Bloxwich and giving up, and a broken down solo on the A34, and another bus just missing. The ex Centrebus Centro they had broke doen on the exitcof Cannock bus syn and caused chaos. One day in the summer, 4 of the 5 buses on the pye greens broke down, then one of the sheds theyd put on to replace one of the 4 broke down on the crossroads at the Jubiliee inn. Recently the two door E200 that has cable ties holding the centre doors on broke down right on top of the temporary roadwork lights in H'ford causing chaos
Quote from: Bob on January 06, 2023, 08:06:40 PMDVSA sniffed round em a bit before after the axle came off that Volvo in Heath Hayes, id heard a wheel came off a Solo too. The 04 plate Scania got PG9d in Lichfield. When they ran the 1 to Walsall ( and put their worst tat on it) it was plagued with reliability issues, i remember waiting over an hour in Bloxwich and giving up, and a broken down solo on the A34, and another bus just missing. The ex Centrebus Centro they had broke doen on the exitcof Cannock bus syn and caused chaos. One day in the summer, 4 of the 5 buses on the pye greens broke down, then one of the sheds theyd put on to replace one of the 4 broke down on the crossroads at the Jubiliee inn. Recently the two door E200 that has cable ties holding the centre doors on broke down right on top of the temporary roadwork lights in H'ford causing chaos
As I've commented earlier, this will be picked up on in due course. However evidence needs gathering before Chaserider can be hauled before the Traffic Commissioner.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on January 06, 2023, 05:37:45 PMOh I think they will be done sooner rather than later. However it needs observations from VOSA before an enquiry can be launched I believe and they may be able to continue to operate in the meantime. There's also the need for another operator(s) to take over services should the licence be revoked. I think its more likely that the number of services they can run will be reduced, at least initially. Further action would follow if necessary.
To spark observations though, you need to make a complaint. Ideally with some evidence to show it's worth their while. As for other operators, I think it would lead to a ramping up of Select bus to be fair.
There are varying levels of what the traffic commissioner could do including fining, forcing them to give compensation to the locals (Stagecoach Exeter did free travel for 2 weeks and employing someone to work at the bus station), reduction in ops discs or revocation of the licence depending on how poor it all is.
Quote from: Stu on January 06, 2023, 06:10:40 PMHave you reported them?
I suppose you'd prefer to see their licence revoked, and then you'd have no buses or bus services to complain about.
Not yet complained but I certainly would do if my journeys become more delayed by them. To be fair, getting them up at Public Inquiry doesn't mean instant licence revocation but they can be fined upto £550 per vehicle on all licences owned by the firm (wording seems to suggest this would include D&Gs ops licence).
Quote from: winston on January 06, 2023, 07:43:02 PMNot likely to happen, as IMarkeh is NW based
I've reported South Wales operators before. I travel up and down the country for work and so I see a lot. If an operator isn't complying with the law, I am more than happy to report them to the relevant authorities. The bus industry has no room for cowboys.
Bustimes is showing a 72 plate (!) on the 100 Wellington - Madeley today (bus 542).
A 72 plate... what is this sorcery???
Quote from: ellspurs on January 08, 2023, 12:32:06 PMBustimes is showing a 72 plate (!) on the 100 Wellington - Madeley today (bus 542).
A 72 plate... what is this sorcery???
I posted a few weeks ago there were some in the yard at Cannock
Quote from: BN on January 08, 2023, 01:20:05 PMI posted a few weeks ago there were some in the yard at Cannock
The majority were for High Peak (4), only one for Cannock
Quote from: winston on January 08, 2023, 01:21:34 PMThe majority were for High Peak (4), only one for Cannock
Theres about 3 there
540/1/2
Quote from: Bob on January 08, 2023, 07:08:43 PM540/1/2
540/1 were new to High Peak are in Centrebus livery.
Only 542 was delivered new in allover white along with 4 more for High Peak
Quote from: winston on January 08, 2023, 08:17:55 PM540/1 were new to High Peak are in Centrebus livery.
Only 542 was delivered new in allover white along with 4 more for High Peak
Talk about a confused identity lol.wonder if all three will stay
They had the bright idea of allocating both 57 plate Solos ( two of the most unreliable heaps theyve got) to the 841 today, it looks like both broke down and left 2hr gaps in service as its hourly...jeeez
Looks as though Chaserider are taking on another new tendered route, this time a Uttoxeter Town Service from 20th Feb
https://bustimes.org/services/405-uttoxeter-olive-park
Quote from: winston on January 09, 2023, 01:10:25 PMLooks as though Chaserider are taking on another new tendered route, this time a Uttoxeter Town Service from 20th Feb
https://bustimes.org/services/405-uttoxeter-olive-park
A lot of dead miles midland classic would of been better to run it less mileage
Quote from: Solo1 on January 09, 2023, 03:51:24 PMA lot of dead miles midland classic would of been better to run it less mileage
You mean Diamond East Midlands don't you? A lot of dead mileage on the Wellington 100 which they began running last year so presumably the dead mileage doesn't bother them. It's being launched in conjunction with David Wilson Homes so the housing developer must be picking up the tab.
Quote from: winston on January 09, 2023, 01:10:25 PMLooks as though Chaserider are taking on another new tendered route, this time a Uttoxeter Town Service from 20th Feb
https://bustimes.org/services/405-uttoxeter-olive-park
Crikey they can't maintain the network they have got!
They also had the great idea to send two of the 62 plate Streetlites ( that they seem to be able to barely keep on the road) to run the 100 in Telford, one of which duly broke down, along with the ( even less reliable) two door Streetlite they sent out on the 432
Sone of the Volvo's broke down too resulting in journeys missing on 74/828, which left a 1hr gap in service.
Quote from: Bob on January 10, 2023, 05:14:08 AMSone of the Volvo's broke down too resulting in journeys missing on 74/828, which left a 1hr gap in service.
181 gave up today on 63
Quote from: Jamie A on January 10, 2023, 10:21:09 PM181 gave up today on 63
It gives up nearly every day lol 😜
Looks like 669 gave up too. The last 432 Staffors to Eccleshall of the dqy never ran
Quote from: Solo1 on January 09, 2023, 03:51:24 PMA lot of dead miles midland classic would of been better to run it less mileage
Or D&G
Brisk walk past Chaserider this evening - at least 3 Solos with engine flaps up including either 178 or 179 Cannock Chase Radio advert bus. Also shown is decker PJZxxxx as mentioned earlier in thread.
Quote from: Wumpty on January 11, 2023, 07:25:54 PMBrisk walk past Chaserider this evening - at least 3 Solos with engine flaps up including either 178 or 179 Cannock Chase Radio advert bus. Also shown is decker PJZxxxx as mentioned earlier in thread.
Not to mention an Optare Excel !
Quote from: Bob on January 11, 2023, 12:43:00 AMIt gives up nearly every day lol 😜
A bit like Midland Red West's Leyland National 745 (XOV745T) which was frequently a failure back in the mid to late 80s and early 90s. I think just about every company has one which fails regularly.
Quote from: Wumpty on January 11, 2023, 07:25:54 PMBrisk walk past Chaserider this evening - at least 3 Solos with engine flaps up including either 178 or 179 Cannock Chase Radio advert bus. Also shown is decker PJZxxxx as mentioned earlier in thread.
Looks more like a scrap line🤣
Top end of yard were always the graveyard anyway, what's the Excel about ?
Handybus good name for spare 😂
Is the handybus ex Blackpool transport
Quote from: Rachvince53 on January 11, 2023, 08:01:51 PMA bit like Midland Red West's Leyland National 745 (XOV745T) which was frequently a failure back in the mid to late 80s and early 90s. I think just about every company has one which fails regularly.
Chaserider have got several lol. 180/1/2 are awful. They also cant seem to stoo their Streetlites from breaking down either. 187 also spends more time off road than on
Looks lime the two Scanias B5/6 WER have been withdrawn too, theyre short on full sized buses. I cant believe Solos are regularly stuck on the 60
Chaserider having a typical day today, 3 buses incl 2 volvos broke down on 74/826/8 circuitleading to a 90 min gap in service btween 11.02 and 12.32 cannock to stafford journeys! Then one of the crappy MCVs ( never fhe most reliable heaps) broke on the 60, to be replaced with an even more rubbish SR solo,which broke down in Cannock. Engineering van got it going again, wouldnt have much faith in it lasting the day lol. I mean who knew that a 15 yr old Solo would be unreliable on interurban services 🤣
Quote from: Wumpty on January 11, 2023, 07:25:54 PMBrisk walk past Chaserider this evening - at least 3 Solos with engine flaps up including either 178 or 179 Cannock Chase Radio advert bus. Also shown is decker PJZxxxx as mentioned earlier in thread.
Can see 193 is being stripped
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on January 13, 2023, 07:26:07 PMCan see 193 is being stripped
132 broke down yesterday to get sent back out only to break down again lol. 748 made an appearance after weeks away and has predictably broke down again first thing this morning lol
More breakdowns on 826/828 today reducing hourly services to two hourly, 187 ( dunno why they even bothered bringing it back from the scrap pile its now non standard, only one if its type at Cannock and they dont seem to be able to keep ut on the road, despite it being gone for over a year to be "fixed") and one of the Daimler twin door streetlites they have equal trouble keeping running. It comes to something when you have to use an app to see if your hourly bus is actually operational let alone late 🤣
Quote from: 888DUK on January 11, 2023, 09:13:51 PMLooks more like a scrap line🤣
All joking aside, that's exactly what it looks like. A quick peer over the fence and you can see at least 6 buses with bonnets permanently raised. 178/179 (original Cannock Chase Radio advert buses) assumed dead as they'd hastily wrapped two Streetlites to replace.
In every bus fleet, you get the odd one or two buses that will cause you a constant headache (or they're haunted!) meaning they spend more time off the road than on it - I'm surprised that Chaserider has such a high frequency of breakdowns from the posts on this thread and the physical number of buses that haven't moved at Cannock and appear deceased. Furthermore, many smaller independents operate a similar fleet and appear to have less problems with the same vehicle types.
Quote from: Wumpty on January 16, 2023, 11:45:46 AMAll joking aside, that's exactly what it looks like. A quick peer over the fence and you can see at least 6 buses with bonnets permanently raised. 178/179 (original Cannock Chase Radio advert buses) assumed dead as they'd hastily wrapped two Streetlites to replace.
In every bus fleet, you get the odd one or two buses that will cause you a constant headache (or they're haunted!) meaning they spend more time off the road than on it - I'm surprised that Chaserider has such a high frequency of breakdowns from the posts on this thread and the physical number of buses that haven't moved at Cannock and appear deceased. Furthermore, many smaller independents operate a similar fleet and appear to have less problems with the same vehicle types.
Quote from: Wumpty on January 16, 2023, 11:45:46 AMAll joking aside, that's exactly what it looks like. A quick peer over the fence and you can see at least 6 buses with bonnets permanently raised. 178/179 (original Cannock Chase Radio advert buses) assumed dead as they'd hastily wrapped two Streetlites to replace.
In every bus fleet, you get the odd one or two buses that will cause you a constant headache (or they're haunted!) meaning they spend more time off the road than on it - I'm surprised that Chaserider has such a high frequency of breakdowns from the posts on this thread and the physical number of buses that haven't moved at Cannock and appear deceased. Furthermore, many smaller independents operate a similar fleet and appear to have less problems with the same vehicle types.
Multiple failures again today, SR solo broke down on the 63, the replacement bus broke down, leading to gaps, thdn they found another tatty SR to replace it, volvo broke down on the 60, metrocity on the 74/826/828 group. They mustve been desperate today considering they had Solos and a 31 seat dual door E200 heap on that group of services. Capacity wouldve been great if you add missing buses due to breakdowns lol
539 was on the pye greens today
Quote from: Wumpty on January 16, 2023, 11:45:46 AMAll joking aside, that's exactly what it looks like. A quick peer over the fence and you can see at least 6 buses with bonnets permanently raised. 178/179 (original Cannock Chase Radio advert buses) assumed dead as they'd hastily wrapped two Streetlites to replace.
In every bus fleet, you get the odd one or two buses that will cause you a constant headache (or they're haunted!) meaning they spend more time off the road than on it - I'm surprised that Chaserider has such a high frequency of breakdowns from the posts on this thread and the physical number of buses that haven't moved at Cannock and appear deceased. Furthermore, many smaller independents operate a similar fleet and appear to have less problems with the same vehicle types.
They couldnt even manage to run a rail replacement from Hednesford a couple of months backv without a tow truck being needed for the bus they used on there 🤣
More failures this morning. 748 the kmackered Scania that cant even last a morning in service has broken down again, after managing 1 morning last week. They used 268 on a peak time 60 this morning, which duly failed its one of the worst solos they have and makes zero sense running it on an interurban route. Worst of all the metrocity on the 70 has broken doen. Its now running a two hr frequency with only a 26 seat solo SR on it. No wonder Chaseiders google reviews are largely scathing about buses regularly not running the state of them and general unreliability....
As Chaserider are associated with other large operators , I can not work out why more reliable buses cannot be obtained short term , or am I missing something here ?? I know that bus operators try to keep overheads down by maximising the use of vehicles but to keep having buses not turning up day in day out can only be detrimental in the long run.
Quote from: B61 ANDREW on January 17, 2023, 01:41:58 PMAs Chaserider are associated with other large operators , I can not work out why more reliable buses cannot be obtained short term , or am I missing something here ?? I know that bus operators try to keep overheads down by maximising the use of vehicles but to keep having buses not turning up day in day out can only be detrimental in the long run.
Are other parts of Centrebus Group experiencing similar problems or is it just Chaserider?
Quote from: B61 ANDREW on January 17, 2023, 01:41:58 PMAs Chaserider are associated with other large operators , I can not work out why more reliable buses cannot be obtained short term , or am I missing something here ?? I know that bus operators try to keep overheads down by maximising the use of vehicles but to keep having buses not turning up day in day out can only be detrimental in the long run.
Chaserider have had a number of vehicles from Centrebus Group:
https://bustimes.org/operators/chaserider/vehicles
Yea incl 2 Solos That were scrapped, 2 sb120 centros that have been scrapped, 1 didnt even make a week in service, 3 sb180s 60 plate which are unreliable sheds, 1 of which had to be scrapped, 2 wright Scanias, one been VOR ages, the other cant manage a morning in service, another 04 plate Scania that kept breaking down and got scrapped....
Currently waiting for the 3.30 no 70 in Longford, now 10 min late and according to bustimes has been sat at delta way for 14 mins!!! Another breakdown?? Theyre an absolute joke of s bus compsny! 187 appears to also have broken down on 62, so thatll have a nice 2hr service.....beyond the psle
Well...looks like a 2hr gap on the 70 too....in this weather.....
Called the 01543 chaserider number, waited 10 mins after getting through to centrebus "unfortunately the bus started smoking, we had to take it out of service and dont have any available vehicles" WTF? Passdngers have obviously been dumped at Delta way...
I know of a place in Pensnett that probably has more reliable vehicles than it seems Chaserider can get their hands on...
Quote from: ellspurs on January 17, 2023, 04:41:04 PMI know of a place in Pensnett that probably has more reliable vehicles than it seems Chaserider can get their hands on...
PVS Barnsleys probably vot more roadworthy vehicles than Delta Way. Whats pretty disturbing is that they hadnt got one avaolable vehicle...no wonder thry cant cover their registered mileage daily
I think Bob has missed a dose of his medication. Surely there is no other reason for the continuous ranting. I wish I had enough time to stalk a bus company on the internet and do a live feed of all of the issues I find. Although if I did have that much time I'd make better use of it.
In all honesty this thread on the forum may as well be closed down as it seems to have become a one-man vendetta which is getting rather tiresome.
51 broke down on the 15.15 63 to rugeley, and didnt get replaced, so thats 2 hours with zero bus service, potentially three hrs if the next one and last one dont run. Why theyd allocate an already unreliable 15 yr solo to a route like the 70 is beyond me.
Quote from: ContainsNuts on January 17, 2023, 05:15:01 PMI think Bob has missed a dose of his medication. Surely there is no other reason for the continuous ranting. I wish I had enough time to stalk a bus company on the internet and do a live feed of all of the issues I find. Although if I did have that much time I'd make better use of it.
In all honesty this thread on the forum may as well be closed down as it seems to have become a one-man vendetta which is getting rather tiresome.
Vendetta? This has actually happened today thank you very much. Check out their google reviews if you want to know what passengers think of them!. Also if you had to rely on them maybe you'd have different view of the rubbish service they provide? Worst than a cowboy operator
Actually I find Bob's posts one of the few completely predictable things these days - it's sort of soothing. :smiley:
QuoteI think Bob has missed a dose of his medication. Surely there is no other reason for the continuous ranting. I wish I had enough time to stalk a bus company on the internet and do a live feed of all of the issues I find. Although if I did have that much time I'd make better use of it.
In all honesty this thread on the forum may as well be closed down as it seems to have become a one-man vendetta which is getting rather tiresome.
Well said. Plus reading the forum rules, they say 'DO NOT Post daft questions / rubbish or generally disrupt the workings of the forum & annoy existing members' and 'Do not spam the forum by posting random comments in as many threads a possible because you're bored & have nothing else constructive to contribute', two things that has been happening here for a long time nowIts like the 'boy who cried wolf' reading this thread now. It was exactly the same when Arriva was in Cannock funnily enough its continued with ChaseriderIf its so bad what good is it going to do complaining on an enthusiast forum..... Compain to the TC or the council
Quote from: ContainsNuts on January 17, 2023, 05:15:01 PMI think Bob has missed a dose of his medication. Surely there is no other reason for the continuous ranting. I wish I had enough time to stalk a bus company on the internet and do a live feed of all of the issues I find. Although if I did have that much time I'd make better use of it.
In all honesty this thread on the forum may as well be closed down as it seems to have become a one-man vendetta which is getting rather tiresome.
It was the same when it was the Arriva Cannock thread...
Quote from: Bob on January 17, 2023, 05:23:51 PMVendetta? This has actually happened today thank you very much. Check out their google reviews if you want to know what passengers think of them!. Also if you had to rely on them maybe you'd have different view of the rubbish service they provide? Worst than a cowboy operator
You've quoted so many different 'issues' that it's as if you've got multiple personalities, and they are all waiting for buses in different places!
Quote from: ContainsNuts on January 17, 2023, 08:55:43 PMYou've quoted so many different 'issues' that it's as if you've got multiple personalities, and they are all waiting for buses in different places!
Whatever...... Theyre clearly a failing operator with some serious running issues. Oh and incidentally I live in Longford, and i and several other passengers can vouch for how rubbish and unreliable the service is. Stood waiting 45 mins for a bus that got dumped at the depot. You have to check an app just to check whether your bus is even operating let alone late. Got some good news stories to share about them?
Quote from: ContainsNuts on January 17, 2023, 05:15:01 PMI think Bob has missed a dose of his medication. Surely there is no other reason for the continuous ranting. I wish I had enough time to stalk a bus company on the internet and do a live feed of all of the issues I find. Although if I did have that much time I'd make better use of it.
In all honesty this thread on the forum may as well be closed down as it seems to have become a one-man vendetta which is getting rather tiresome.
In all fairness to
@Bob , we've crossed swords many times about his opinions and, to a certain degree, I agree with you
@ContainsNuts - I also agree that with so many unreliable buses and lost mileage because of this, then I can understand his frustrations.
Not sure he's a one-man vendetta, though
@Bob does make his point very passionately!
Quote from: B61 ANDREW on January 17, 2023, 01:41:58 PMAs Chaserider are associated with other large operators , I can not work out why more reliable buses cannot be obtained short term , or am I missing something here ?? I know that bus operators try to keep overheads down by maximising the use of vehicles but to keep having buses not turning up day in day out can only be detrimental in the long run.
This is true to a degree - not sure where in the pecking order Chaserider sit amongst these connected companies, though also unsure if they have the luxury or the cohesion to share fleet as readily as NXWM do amongst garages.
Quote from: Wumpty on January 18, 2023, 08:17:23 AMIn all fairness to @Bob , we've crossed swords many times about his opinions and, to a certain degree, I agree with you @ContainsNuts - I also agree that with so many unreliable buses and lost mileage because of this, then I can understand his frustrations.
Not sure he's a one-man vendetta, though @Bob does make his point very passionately!
This is true to a degree - not sure where in the pecking order Chaserider sit amongst these connected companies, though also unsure if they have the luxury or the cohesion to share fleet as readily as NXWM do amongst garages.
I think if as well as being enthusiasts people had to actually rely on them, there'd be a different viewpoint. For example yesterday, i was going fron home ( 70) to my mums, luckily i can get the PG circular from Cannock, but 62/63 would get me nearer, the 63, a 1 bus working, had a two hour gap due to bus 51 breaking down, abd them getting out the Solo thqt had broke down on the 60 yesterday morning back out. Id imagine regular passengers wouldnt be impressed ( 63 has had 2-3 hr gaps ie nothing running at all on several occasions). As an enthusiast wouldnt people want them to be successful? I can see why they'll continue to lose passengers if they carry on the way they are thats all. Abd it does make no sense to keep operating the most unreliable things theyve got on interurban services to be brutally frank.
They say on social media that all weather related problems are over and things back to normal.
Assume bollards then?
Quote from: Westy on January 18, 2023, 02:55:57 PMThey say on social media that all weather related problems are over and things back to normal.
Have to admire them for sending out that message.
Quote from: B61 ANDREW on January 18, 2023, 03:18:16 PMHave to admire them for sending out that message.
You mean their buses will start breaking down as normal?!
Quote from: Rachvince53 on January 18, 2023, 04:15:44 PMYou mean their buses will start breaking down as normal?!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The service is often below par for many regularly users and the fleet for its size does have a disproportionate number of breakdowns compared to others.
It would appear that some on the forum report a lot of these but maybe they are just really unlucky on their journeys.
However if any public services are to be a success going forwards they do need to offer reliability.
Quote from: LNational on January 18, 2023, 09:42:17 PMThe service is often below par for many regularly users and the fleet for its size does have a disproportionate number of breakdowns compared to others.
It would appear that some on the forum report a lot of these but maybe they are just really unlucky on their journeys.
However if any public services are to be a success going forwards they do need to offer reliability.
Due to the hourly nature of many of the routes, or even half hourly, breakdowns are felt a lot more keenly by passengers, its not like say a 51 or X51 breaking down in Walsall, so reliability is really important, if they want to hang on to what passengers they have left. Maybe if they allocated the better vehicles to the interurbqn services and kept the tat on pye greens itd improve things a bit
Quote from: Westy on January 18, 2023, 02:55:57 PMThey say on social media that all weather related problems are over and things back to normal.
Assume bollards then?
They failed to mention why non of the Lichfield services were stopping far out of Lichfield and not going to the station
Quote from: Bob on January 18, 2023, 10:21:54 PMDue to the hourly nature of many of the routes, or even half hourly, breakdowns are felt a lot more keenly by passengers, its not like say a 51 or X51 breaking down in Walsall, so reliability is really important, if they want to hang on to what passengers they have left. Maybe if they allocated the better vehicles to the interurbqn services and kept the tat on pye greens itd improve things a bit
I'm sure Pye Green users would love that!
I've read the comments from Bob and all others for many years including when he was analyzing Arriva Cannock. What I would love is for people to be able to come on here and say what he is stated is wrong. i.e. that things are not as bad as it seems. If he is right, then surely this is the place where things should be highlighted?
Performance does matter. On two occasions in the last decade, I have tried to rely on buses and trains to get around. On both occasions, I've resorted to getting a car. It is just to difficult, too time consuming and too unpleasant an experience and I'm lucky enough to have the choice.
Reading these threads, you get the feeling the Chaserider management are good, trying to do the right thing and offer the best service they can. It follows with the impression that they try and do too much, try and do the right thing for too many communities in Staffordshire. Perhaps it might be to do with the minimum routes and services they need to have to cover the costs of running the fixed costs of the depot, perhaps they simply try to do more than they can.
Surely though if routes justified investment in newer buses (or even new) they would get it. Wouldn't it be best instead for a reassessment looking at available resource and cutting routes to match that. This would force the councils hand. Council's are so cash strapped, they can't do anything unless forced too. Pulling off routes would force them. Central government pots of money seem to exist but only if criteria are met. Chaserider then might get council funding to get hold of a better fleet and offer the service they ultimately want to.
Quote from: Budgie on January 22, 2023, 01:09:10 PMI've read the comments from Bob and all others for many years including when he was analyzing Arriva Cannock. What I would love is for people to be able to come on here and say what he is stated is wrong. i.e. that things are not as bad as it seems. If he is right, then surely this is the place where things should be highlighted?
Performance does matter. On two occasions in the last decade, I have tried to rely on buses and trains to get around. On both occasions, I've resorted to getting a car. It is just to difficult, too time consuming and too unpleasant an experience and I'm lucky enough to have the choice.
Reading these threads, you get the feeling the Chaserider management are good, trying to do the right thing and offer the best service they can. It follows with the impression that they try and do too much, try and do the right thing for too many communities in Staffordshire. Perhaps it might be to do with the minimum routes and services they need to have to cover the costs of running the fixed costs of the depot, perhaps they simply try to do more than they can.
Surely though if routes justified investment in newer buses (or even new) they would get it. Wouldn't it be best instead for a reassessment looking at available resource and cutting routes to match that. This would force the councils hand. Council's are so cash strapped, they can't do anything unless forced too. Pulling off routes would force them. Central government pots of money seem to exist but only if criteria are met. Chaserider then might get council funding to get hold of a better fleet and offer the service they ultimately want to.
Excellent analysis
@Budgie - and I've said similar things myself in the past.
@Bob isn't wrong in his posts about the current state of the Chaserider provision and performance. We all have our own way of posting and conveying our sentiments, and not always to everyone's taste.
I said when Arriva sold up and Chaserider took over that they'd got a poisoned chalice and it's shown to be the case in the way they've run routes and then amended/curtailed according to patronage and resources. the management team ARE a good team doing the best they can with the resources available - does the comparatively sparce network NEED better buses/investment? According to
@Bob posts and the frequency of breakdowns and lost mileage, yes.
Chaserider have done all they can to maintain a network that a large bus group couldn't over many years and, whilst the intentions were good, a smaller independent operator could never turn the network's fortunes around. With politicians and "communities" expecting miracles and then complaining about cutbacks and then the passenger numbers not improving when Chaserider are almost forced into running part-routes just to please them and keep the media off their backs, they're in a no-win situation.
When Midland Choice Travel were setting up, one area they looked at was the Midland Red North network and running competition routes across Telford, Cannock and Leicester, though after VERY careful consideration, plumbed for the Walsall/Bloxwich high frequency corridors instead because their was little profit/passenger numbers to sustain a profitable network.
As for forcing the council's hand for funding, completely agree, though they do have the ability to finance routes now instead of waiting and then riding in on their big white horses to save the day! It's an old political trick that works wonders in the media but does nothing for the fare-paying public or the bus companies under fire.
D&G/Chaserider/Peddle empire have their own priorities - is Chaserider a priority in the grand scheme of things? It appears not. D&G's network is more important to them and maintaining their own network in Staffordshire & Cheshire than a small rural network that realistically generates little income and that, unfortunately, is the stark reality of business. Granted, they have cascaded a small number of buses to Chaserider (not necessarily newer, more like surplus to the other businesses requirements) and this has helped in the immediate short term.
It is easy to criticise Chaserider for their failings, but what is the alternative? Chaserider pulls out and ceases trading and leaves absolutley NO bus network that none of the other large groups want/need and then lambasted by the media for decimating local bus services, or carry on as-is and still get lambasted for trying to operate a service with the resources they have.
Ultimately, goodwill doesn't ring a profit and none of us know what happens behind the scenes at Chaserider.
@Bob is right and as someone who actually uses their network, is entitkled to his (very passionate!) opinions. I don't use the network so will only comment on my experiences in the bus industry and the comments left on here.
All I would say is that if anyone else feels like they can do a better job, please set yourself up a bus company and run in competition and let us know how you get on.
Interesting comments from both
@Budgie and
@Wumpty.
@Bob has every right as has anyone else to vent their frustrations with Chaserider. For myself, and here I confess I am not a regular daily user, whenever I have had to use my local service, the 74 to and from Stafford I have never been let down with a failure to appear, yes there have been occasions when I experienced a little late running. Someone recently posted a message suggesting the Select could take on the Chaserider routes but frankly that is pie in the sky. No-one is going to take on these routes and be able to make them profitable to the point where new buses could be bought or even leased. If you look at the age of buses cascaded down from various Centrebus operations run by Chaserider against those in the main D & G fleet you may be surprised to see that there just as many newer vehicles with Chaserider. I honestly believe that the Chaserider management are doing the best they can but that will mean more analysis of routes and the cancellation of those on which they cannot at best cover operating costs. Will the various councils step in with subsidiaries? I doubt it because they would not be able to justify spending money to cover a few passenger journeys to the wider non bus using public.
I don't really know Chaserider very well seeing as I live in an are where they don't run services but I'm sure they are trying there best at running services all these people on this thread that slag them off left; right & centre think of it like this it could be far far worse it could be Diamond running all the services in Cannock!! personally I prey god that Rotala don't buy Chaserider from Centrebus Group because THEN people would have something to complain about somebody said to me the other day Chaserider are probably running things not to dissimilar to how Arriva ran things when they had operations. Now again I'm not sure how Arriva operated things but again it's probably a lot better than Rotala run things this also applies to Chaserider so just think guys it could be much worse than it is.
Rotala are no worse or better than any other operator. Like all operators they try to do the best with the resources available both human and mechanical.
Quote from: hlliwmai on January 23, 2023, 12:04:41 PMI don't really know Chaserider very well seeing as I live in an are where they don't run services but I'm sure they are trying there best at running services all these people on this thread that slag them off left; right & centre think of it like this it could be far far worse it could be Diamond running all the services in Cannock!! personally I prey god that Rotala don't buy Chaserider from Centrebus Group because THEN people would have something to complain about somebody said to me the other day Chaserider are probably running things not to dissimilar to how Arriva ran things when they had operations. Now again I'm not sure how Arriva operated things but again it's probably a lot better than Rotala run things this also applies to Chaserider so just think guys it could be much worse than it is.
One of the differences between the two were Arriva did have more full sized vehicles available for services, therefore avoiding running Solos ( old examples that really arent up to allday interurban use) on main routes all the times and the associated failures. Chaserider dont seem to have anywhere near enough. Passed a standing load 70 in Featherstone earlier on way back from Wton didnt look pleasant to say the least lol
Theres been no 3s from Cannock to Brownhills since 840 am, wonder if somethings happened over there, strange cos its a tendered service
Quote from: Bob on January 25, 2023, 10:57:03 AMTheres been no 3s from Cannock to Brownhills since 840 am, wonder if somethings happened over there, strange cos its a tendered service
Think this is why you should only post what you actually see. If you open that 8.40 trip you will see its tracked several trips on there.
2 - YX65 RWL – Chaserider – bustimes.org (https://bustimes.org/vehicles/crdr-2-yx65-rwl?date=2023-01-25#journeys/373552543)
QuoteThink this is why you should only post what you actually see. If you open that 8.40 trip you will see its tracked several trips on there.
2 - YX65 RWL – Chaserider – bustimes.org (https://bustimes.org/vehicles/crdr-2-yx65-rwl?date=2023-01-25#journeys/373552543)
Yes looks like the Ticket machine is stuck on the 08:40 from Cannock, but the bus is happily going back & forth
QuoteTheres been no 3s from Cannock to Brownhills since 840 am, wonder if somethings happened over there, strange cos its a tendered service
Plenty of journies now showing
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/crdr-2-yx65-rwl?date=2023-01-25#
Apparently Staffs Cc have been awarded a pot of money to improve bus services, theres a newspaper article about it. 74 and Selects 875 were mentioned
Quote from: Bob on January 25, 2023, 09:16:53 PMApparently Staffs Cc have been awarded a pot of money to improve bus services, theres a newspaper article about it. 74 and Selects 875 were mentioned
Might be useful to replace some of the chaserider fleet and get some new services running in cannock
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on January 26, 2023, 04:30:25 PMMight be useful to replace some of the chaserider fleet and get some new services running in cannock
Too simple!
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on January 26, 2023, 04:30:25 PMMight be useful to replace some of the chaserider fleet and get some new services running in cannock
They could do with sacking the Solos off. Theyre not really suited to anything. Too small for interurban routes and knackered. They seem to have trouble with vehicles other operators seem to do ok with, the Scanias bar one of the pair coming out for the first time in a month then breaking within an hour and a half, they cant seem to keep streetlites on the road, couldnt get SB120s/200s/180s to be reliable etc, and the Volvos fail now pretty often.. They definetely need some higher capacity full sized buses
The older vehicles I suppose I can understand them failing(& I know
@Tony will probably say about Nx keeping older types going & hardly failing!), but these newer types like Streetlites for instance, why is Chaserider having regular issues, when as Tony said on another thread, Nx's Streetlites are more available, with the main issue being spare parts, if I remember correctly?
Quote from: Westy on January 26, 2023, 09:23:37 PMThe older vehicles I suppose I can understand them failing(& I know @Tony will probably say about Nx keeping older types going & hardly failing!), but these newer types like Streetlites for instance, why is Chaserider having regular issues, when as Tony said on another thread, Nx's Streetlites are more available, with the main issue being spare parts, if I remember correctly?
This might explain your questions. Chaserider have more than once ran buses on no oil, coolant or fuel which is why half the volvos have come off road and remain to have constant issues. Chaserider are known for a cheap easy quick repair and throw it back out on the road. This is why a lot of buses aren't reliable as they should be. I do know they've have a massive engineer over haul and we've seen a massive improvement in service. Not sure what was so wrong with the 2 solars they've got. For the first time since Chaserider took over operations all the streetlites are on the road and apart from 64 having no issues with them at all apart from 66 which came off the road breifly due to a bin lorry hitting it. The solo SR's I can't explain all I do know is Arrivia had massive issues with them all the time
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on January 26, 2023, 10:05:26 PMThis might explain your questions. Chaserider have more than once ran buses on no oil, coolant or fuel which is why half the volvos have come off road and remain to have constant issues. Chaserider are known for a cheap easy quick repair and throw it back out on the road. This is why a lot of buses aren't reliable as they should be. I do know they've have a massive engineer over haul and we've seen a massive improvement in service. Not sure what was so wrong with the 2 solars they've got. For the first time since Chaserider took over operations all the streetlites are on the road and apart from 64 having no issues with them at all apart from 66 which came off the road breifly due to a bin lorry hitting it. The solo SR's I can't explain all I do know is Arrivia had massive issues with them all the time
They have issues with all three 09 plate E200s as well and i dont know why after getting rid of 187190 thry brought 187 back, its got poor reliability tosay the least. The Volvos are crying out for a retrim. I think NXs 56 plates had had two by the time they were withdrawn!
Quote from: Bob on January 26, 2023, 10:25:12 PMThey have issues with all three 09 plate E200s as well and i dont know why after getting rid of 187190 thry brought 187 back, its got poor reliability tosay the least. The Volvos are crying out for a retrim. I think NXs 56 plates had had two by the time they were withdrawn!
They've had 3
The Dolos are in serious need of the scrapman, 180 broke down on the 62, meaning no 1230 journey from cannock, so the usual 2hr gap, ( i was waiting for the X51 so saw it), 182 broke on the 63, so everyone on it had to wait till they could pull another Solo off Pye Greens then alight and get on that. Itll be funny if the replacement Solo breaks down as well 🙄😜
Minor changes to several Chaserider services from 20 February, mostly retiming of the odd journey I believe. (Info from Staffs CC Email). New service 405 in Uttoxeter.
Quote from: Bob on January 27, 2023, 01:15:04 PMThe Dolos are in serious need of the scrapman, 180 broke down on the 62, meaning no 1230 journey from cannock, so the usual 2hr gap, ( i was waiting for the X51 so saw it), 182 broke on the 63, so everyone on it had to wait till they could pull another Solo off Pye Greens then alight and get on that. Itll be funny if the replacement Solo breaks down as well 🙄😜
a 3 vehicle working today on the 63 for a 1 bus diagram...... :-) bus no 1 pulled off 74 to go on pye green so another scrap solo plonked on the 74 cycle, 74 creeping up to solo city of late whilst larger capacity vehicles wasted on local quiet circulars or lanes routes
Quote from: Rachvince53 on January 27, 2023, 05:15:44 PMMinor changes to several Chaserider services from 20 February, mostly retiming of the odd journey I believe. (Info from Staffs CC Email). New service 405 in Uttoxeter.
Some big reductions on the 841. The villages will have a reduction in service during the week and on Saturdays, no villages will be served, it will be just hourly Stafford to Hixton and then 2 hourly extended to Uttoxeter.
The 405 will run every 30 minutes Mon-Sat from Uttoxeter to Olive Park calling at Tesco.
Can't see what the fleet number is but ex National Express Coventey B7TL Wright Gemmini is now at Chaserider
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on February 03, 2023, 03:30:11 PMCan't see what the fleet number is but ex National Express Coventey B7TL Wright Gemmini is now at Chaserider
Just to clarify for future reference when this is read. It was only on site at Delta Way for MoT with its current owner 'The Bus Works'. It has no connection with Chaserider.
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on February 03, 2023, 03:30:11 PMCan't see what the fleet number is but ex National Express Coventey B7TL Wright Gemmini is now at Chaserider
Quote from: Tony on February 03, 2023, 07:34:15 PMJust to clarify for future reference when this is read. It was only on site at Delta Way for MoT with its current owner 'The Bus Works'. It has no connection with Chaserider.
And just to add to Tony's clarification, it is an independent MOT testing station, same as when Arriva owned the depot.
So any sightings of 'odd' vehicles there should not be assumed as being with Chaserider.
More new routes for Chaserider at the end of Feb.102, 103, 104 & 105 will be running
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on February 07, 2023, 08:35:10 PMMore new routes for Chaserider at the end of Feb.102, 103, 104 & 105 will be running
They're having a serious crack at Telford?
Obviously run out of ideas in Cannock.
Quote from: Westy on February 07, 2023, 10:21:08 PMThey're having a serious crack at Telford?
Obviously run out of ideas in Cannock.
No, I think this there subtle way of pushing Arriva out of Telford it is of course plausible due to the fact Arriva are selling off depots etc
I think you'll find that these routes are funded by Telford and Wrekin Council whereas Cannock area routes are not council funded.
Quote from: Westy on February 07, 2023, 10:21:08 PMThey're having a serious crack at Telford?
Obviously run out of ideas in Cannock.
Just to clarify, service 102 and 103 operate Mon-Fri only, seven journeys each way. 104 and 105 are school services. They will operate under contract to Telford and Wrekin Council.
Quote from: Westy on February 07, 2023, 10:21:08 PMThey're having a serious crack at Telford?
Obviously run out of ideas in Cannock.
J dunno how they'll manage it, they struggle to cover routes here, they had about 5 or 6 failures yesterday, when you add it to the amount of buses theyve got off road it adds up.
Quote from: Bob on February 08, 2023, 01:51:21 PMJ dunno how they'll manage it, they struggle to cover routes here, they had about 5 or 6 failures yesterday, when you add it to the amount of buses theyve got off road it adds up.
They'll not doubt have to bring in more newer buses to operate these new contracts, there's the 405 new Uttoxeter route starting 20th Feb too.
It may well be that Chaserider are taking on these tendered services to help support the Cannock area commercial routes.
Quote from: winston on February 08, 2023, 02:02:16 PMThey'll not doubt have to bring in more newer buses to operate these new contracts, there's the 405 new Uttoxeter route starting 20th Feb too.
It may well be that Chaserider are taking on these tendered services to help support the Cannock area commercial routes.
Hopefully, but the older, unreliable stuff will still be dumped on the interurban stuff etc unfortunately
Chaserider had a bad day today literally breakdown upon breakdiwn, 2 Solos failed on PGs,, e200 no 40 broke down, 187 broke on 60s , anither bus had to be taken off pye greens to cover the one that broke down on the 71. People on the pye green route might have been wondering whether a bus was ever gonna come. On the plus side theyve received another E200, no 121
Changes coming on a lot of routes from Monday 20th
https://twitter.com/ChaseriderBus?t=rJShSUzx65NdFRxhBH-Hrg&s=09
Will it make any difference to reliability?
One would hope and, on paper, would appear so, though without waking
@Bob up (love you Bob!), I think the reliability is more mechanical!
Quote from: Wumpty on February 17, 2023, 10:21:59 AMOne would hope and, on paper, would appear so, though without waking @Bob up (love you Bob!), I think the reliability is more mechanical!
Hahahs yep definetely, one of their Solos, 181 has literally failed every day for over a week, yet they still send it out every morning 🤣
Quote from: Bob on February 17, 2023, 12:41:49 PMHahahs yep definetely, one of their Solos, 181 has literally failed every day for over a week, yet they still send it out every morning 🤣
Looks like it failed again today on the 0840 25 service from Cannock lasting as far as West Chadsmoor!
Quote from: Bob on February 17, 2023, 12:41:49 PMHahahs yep definetely, one of their Solos, 181 has literally failed every day for over a week, yet they still send it out every morning 🤣
heard the gearbox had failed on this bag of knackers [181] but only hear say, Solos pounding interurban again whilst that latest larger seating capacity e200 66 plate is plodding up and down the road on the new 405 keeping clean lol
Quote from: solonightrider on February 20, 2023, 11:12:42 PMheard the gearbox had failed on this bag of knackers [181] but only hear say, Solos pounding interurban again whilst that latest larger seating capacity e200 66 plate is plodding up and down the road on the new 405 keeping clean lol
They werent doing very well this morning either they had two buses fail before 8am on pye greens 🤦�♂️
is the depot owned by Chaserider these days or was it actually sold to AvailableCar as I remember reading sometime ago that they had bought it when Arriva finished operations and Chaserider lease it back off AvailableCar does anyone know I'm just being nosey
Looks like theyve got a new addition Ex First Manchester B7RLE MX06 VJY
**MX06 VPY** even
40 was over on the 103/104 this afternoon
Quote from: Bob on February 24, 2023, 09:34:11 AM**MX06 VPY** even
This was on the 100 in telford today
2hr gap in Wolves on 70 today between 1145 and 145. Pain in the bum. 51 came out giday for the first time in 6 weeks and duly broke down by 9.30 🙄
Quote from: Bob on March 13, 2023, 09:40:58 PM2hr gap in Wolves on 70 today between 1145 and 145. Pain in the bum. 51 came out giday for the first time in 6 weeks and duly broke down by 9.30 🙄
If the NX strike eventually goes ahead, won't the Cannock Road passengers have to rely on this lot & Let's Go to get about?
Poor sods!
Quote from: Westy on March 13, 2023, 10:13:47 PMIf the NX strike eventually goes ahead, won't the Cannock Road passengers have to rely on this lot & Let's Go to get about?
Poor sods!
I wouldnt wish that on em 🤣
Let's Go at least have vehicles which rarely break down. Unfortunately like many companies they have insufficient drivers to cover all their services. This results in the bus which operates contract service 303 (and the position journeys on 529) during the off-peak being their only bus on service 1 on Mondays very often.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on March 14, 2023, 12:48:00 PMLet's Go at least have vehicles which rarely break down. Unfortunately like many companies they have insufficient drivers to cover all their services. This results in the bus which operates contract service 303 (and the position journeys on 529) during the off-peak being their only bus on service 1 on Mondays very often.
Shouldve seen the state of 167 on pyegreens today,there was a smell of fumes( driver noticed it too) and the bus was surging suddenly when pulling off causing it to jerk. Lady commented on it getting off, and the driver said it was going back to the yard. Sounded awful, it had already broke down this morning then sent back out this afternoon to fail again. Pye greens are terrible forever buses missing due to being pulled off to cover breakdowns elsewhere, or breaking down themselves
The 63 route is another one that is plagued with unreliable vehicles, think today is the first day for a while the same bus managed to complete the full shift! Total embarrassment for a 1 vehicle hourly working that fails so often day after day. No wonder passengers lose the will to live with this shocking poor performance. :-(
Quote from: solonightrider on March 15, 2023, 10:09:46 PMThe 63 route is another one that is plagued with unreliable vehicles, think today is the first day for a while the same bus managed to complete the full shift! Total embarrassment for a 1 vehicle hourly working that fails so often day after day. No wonder passengers lose the will to live with this shocking poor performance. :-(
Yea no buses after 3pm yesterday on there. The two door enviro on it broke down again today i think 🤣🤣 167 also broke down again this morning
Quote from: Bob on February 24, 2023, 09:34:11 AM**MX06 VPY** even
Caught this a couple of times very poor from a customer point of view seating wise frayed torn and barely re-stitched together - hopefully will get a re-trim when painted
Ny the sounds of it the Chaserider buses need rather more than another lick of paint.
Quote from: LNational on March 15, 2023, 10:33:35 PMCaught this a couple of times very poor from a customer point of view seating wise frayed torn and barely re-stitched together - hopefully will get a re-trim when painted
They havent retrimmed a single bus since they took over more than two years ago
Quote from: Bob on March 15, 2023, 10:51:21 PMThey havent retrimmed a single bus since they took over more than two years ago
seating trim costs would be more valuable than most of the vehicles it would be attached too lol
Quote from: solonightrider on March 15, 2023, 11:09:13 PMseating trim costs would be more valuable than most of the vehicles it would be attached too lol
True 🤣🤣🤣🤣
A new addiction to the fleet today in form of a 16 plate Enviro 200 (YX16 OHW) has been allocated fleet number 4
Quote from: hlliwmai on March 16, 2023, 12:20:54 PMA new addiction to the fleet today in form of a 16 plate Enviro 200 (YX16 OHW) has been allocated fleet number 4
Only at Chaserider for repaint. Going up to crewe for the new arriva routes
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on March 16, 2023, 01:16:07 PMOnly at Chaserider for repaint. Going up to crewe for the new arriva routes
Oh well it's being used in service
Quote from: solonightrider on March 15, 2023, 10:09:46 PMThe 63 route is another one that is plagued with unreliable vehicles, think today is the first day for a while the same bus managed to complete the full shift! Total embarrassment for a 1 vehicle hourly working that fails so often day after day. No wonder passengers lose the will to live with this shocking poor performance. :-(
Like today when 99 broke down, then a volvo got pulled off Staffs to lichfield to avoid a 2hr gap , managed to get back to Cannock,and not runafter that and a scrappy Solos been shoved on to 63. Theyre not having a good day today Volvos 195 196 both broke down before 7am on the 826 /828, and one of the cummins solos broke before 9am on pye greens,lools like the other cummins one was over telford but hasmt been used since about 1040 am
Now then I don't really know Chaserider very well seeing as I live in an area where they don't operate any services however I'm quite sure they are trying there best at running services all these people on this thread that slag them off left; right & centre think of it like this it could be far far worse it could be Diamond running all the services in Cannock & surrounding areas personally I prey god that Rotala don't end up purchasing Chaserider from the Centrebus Group or the whole Centrebus Group in general because THEN people (not just Cannock residents) would have something to complain about somebody said to me quite a few months ago Chaserider are probably running things not to dissimilar to how Arriva ran things when they had the operations.
Again I'm not very au fait as to how Arriva operated things when they had operations however it's probably a damn sight better than how Diamond/Rotala run things this also applies to Chaserider so just think guys before you comment Cannock could be Blue and I'm sure people don't want that happening because believe me you think buses go missing on the Pye Green now it would be worse if Diamond ran over there.
Quote from: hlliwmai on March 16, 2023, 02:21:32 PMNow then I don't really know Chaserider very well seeing as I live in an area where they don't operate any services however I'm quite sure they are trying there best at running services all these people on this thread that slag them off left; right & centre think of it like this it could be far far worse it could be Diamond running all the services in Cannock & surrounding areas personally I prey god that Rotala don't end up purchasing Chaserider from the Centrebus Group or the whole Centrebus Group in general because THEN people (not just Cannock residents) would have something to complain about somebody said to me quite a few months ago Chaserider are probably running things not to dissimilar to how Arriva ran things when they had the operations.
Again I'm not very au fait as to how Arriva operated things when they had operations however it's probably a damn sight better than how Diamond/Rotala run things this also applies to Chaserider so just think guys before you comment Cannock could be Blue and I'm sure people don't want that happening because believe me you think buses go missing on the Pye Green now it would be worse if Diamond ran over there.
Is all you've done there in defending Chaserider is slag Diamond / Rotala off instead. So your comments are pretty pointless.
Quote from: winston on March 16, 2023, 02:31:24 PMIs all you've done there in defending Chaserider is slag Diamond / Rotala off instead. So your comments are pretty pointless.
It's factual though
@winston
Quote from: hlliwmai on March 16, 2023, 02:21:32 PMNow then I don't really know Chaserider very well seeing as I live in an area where they don't operate any services however I'm quite sure they are trying there best at running services all these people on this thread that slag them off left; right & centre think of it like this it could be far far worse it could be Diamond running all the services in Cannock & surrounding areas personally I prey god that Rotala don't end up purchasing Chaserider from the Centrebus Group or the whole Centrebus Group in general because THEN people (not just Cannock residents) would have something to complain about somebody said to me quite a few months ago Chaserider are probably running things not to dissimilar to how Arriva ran things when they had the operations.
Again I'm not very au fait as to how Arriva operated things when they had operations however it's probably a damn sight better than how Diamond/Rotala run things this also applies to Chaserider so just think guys before you comment Cannock could be Blue and I'm sure people don't want that happening because believe me you think buses go missing on the Pye Green now it would be worse if Diamond ran over there.
I wouldnt cqll not running a scheduled service ( the 63) after 3pm wjen its supposed to finish after 6pm on monday "doing their best". Arriva had a lot more full sized vehicles for interurban services to be fair. Reliabilitys through the floor. Check out their google reviews, people stranded /breakdowns daily etc. 1.5 star average i think theyve got. If say on a frequent service like the nx 51 had a couple of breakdowns,it wouldnt be as noticeable, but when youre running hourly services and have as many breakdowns as chaserider have its pretty bad. Even worsr when for 1/2/3 hrs nothing operates at all.
Quote from: hlliwmai on March 16, 2023, 02:37:38 PMIt's factual though @winston
No it's not. Other members comments on Chaserider are factual.
Agreed, Chaserider seem to have a disproportionate series of breakdowns compared to Diamond.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on March 16, 2023, 04:53:02 PMAgreed, Chaserider seem to have a disproportionate series of breakdowns compared to Diamond.
Probably likely. I think some of its maybe to using stuff like 15/16 yr old Solos that arent in the best of states on punishing interurban work
Quote from: Bob on March 16, 2023, 02:55:36 PMI wouldnt cqll not running a scheduled service ( the 63) after 3pm wjen its supposed to finish after 6pm on monday "doing their best". Arriva had a lot more full sized vehicles for interurban services to be fair. Reliabilitys through the floor. Check out their google reviews, people stranded /breakdowns daily etc. 1.5 star average i think theyve got. If say on a frequent service like the nx 51 had a couple of breakdowns,it wouldnt be as noticeable, but when youre running hourly services and have as many breakdowns as chaserider have its pretty bad. Even worsr when for 1/2/3 hrs nothing operates at all.
The route 63 reliability of late has been shocking, some days a one vehicle diagram is taking 4 buses to operate with journeys still missing, just a daily occurrence on the 63 which I think comes in the category classed as non compliant operation?? can see the 63 for the chop in the next round of cuts with the excuse ' no ones using it' how can we use and rely on a service that barely operates to its registered timetable?
Quote from: solonightrider on March 16, 2023, 10:55:19 PMThe route 63 reliability of late has been shocking, some days a one vehicle diagram is taking 4 buses to operate with journeys still missing, just a daily occurrence on the 63 which I think comes in the category classed as non compliant operation?? can see the 63 for the chop in the next round of cuts with the excuse ' no ones using it' how can we use and rely on a service that barely operates to its registered timetable?
Sounds about right tbf
I 100% about reliability turning people away from buses. It has for me twice. Nor am I a defender of a rubbish offering. However...
In regards to the 63, interested in the above comments, I looked at Bus Times from yesterday to the start of February. From what I can tell, every single journey has been covered in the last 6 weeks or so without fail. Yes on some days a second bus has been used, I noted that on a Saturday, the morning bus was replaced so it could do an Aston Villa match run but was replaced, I guess so the better bus could be used for the fans.
The only day that looked like it might have had an issue was on the 14th March. From what I can tell, YX09FLM did run the route after 15:15 until end of day, its just that it didn't register properly. If you look at the 15:15, the timings show the return journey from Rugeley at 19:01.
I know Bus Times isn't necessarily reliable and that as an actual user of it, you know its issues. I share the pain given the problems I've had with Chiltern this week, at least I can and have claimed compensation for the rubbish that has been served up. However, I do question the notion that the service has been a joke in the last 6 weeks or so. Admittedly it may have been before that period.
Quote from: Budgie on March 17, 2023, 08:33:51 AMI 100% about reliability turning people away from buses. It has for me twice. Nor am I a defender of a rubbish offering. However...
In regards to the 63, interested in the above comments, I looked at Bus Times from yesterday to the start of February. From what I can tell, every single journey has been covered in the last 6 weeks or so without fail. Yes on some days a second bus has been used, I noted that on a Saturday, the morning bus was replaced so it could do an Aston Villa match run but was replaced, I guess so the better bus could be used for the fans.
The only day that looked like it might have had an issue was on the 14th March. From what I can tell, YX09FLM did run the route after 15:15 until end of day, its just that it didn't register properly. If you look at the 15:15, the timings show the return journey from Rugeley at 19:01.
I know Bus Times isn't necessarily reliable and that as an actual user of it, you know its issues. I share the pain given the problems I've had with Chiltern this week, at least I can and have claimed compensation for the rubbish that has been served up. However, I do question the notion that the service has been a joke in the last 6 weeks or so. Admittedly it may have been before that period.
There have been 2hr gaps on the 70, can vouch for that myself. I remember another two hour gap a few weeks ago when it was chucking it down, and the 70 had been terminated at the garage due to the bus "started smoking". The garage, and they couldnt find a spare bus, lol!
Can vouch, had that issue a few weeks back around 1600. 70 had broke down and the 71 was heading to Featherstone. Got stranded in Bridgetown for an hour
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on March 17, 2023, 09:02:04 AMCan vouch, had that issue a few weeks back around 1600. 70 had broke down and the 71 was heading to Featherstone. Got stranded in Bridgetown for an hour
Yep, on frequent services it wouldnt be much of an issue,but when so many buses seem incapable of lasting half a day without breaking down its a nightmare
Apologies if I wasn't clear on my last post. I hoped I was clearly referencing the 63 route. Posts 1343 and 1347 above both bemoan the performance of the 63 in recent times. Bus Times told me (I might have a missed a day when checking I guess), that the service has run to perfection since the start of February at least.
My aim is not to come across as antagonistic to other valued members of the forum so I tried to write the post with that aim in mind. In my review, I did not look at 70 or 71 and I also don't dismiss the problems that obviously exist for those of you actually using the buses when I am not. I looked at Bus Times purely to get an understanding of the posts I am seeing, not to try and find a contradiction to them. Unfortunately, I couldn't get that understanding I was looking for.
If only my route had the reliability of the 63 in recent weeks. On my route, Arriva have apologized on their website for the mess that route is in at the moment, they should also apologise for the constant banging (release of excess air I think) that I have to endure from the Mercs as they pass me on the street but they don't. So I can definitely complain about that as they themselves admit the problem.
Quote from: Budgie on March 17, 2023, 01:22:10 PMApologies if I wasn't clear on my last post. I hoped I was clearly referencing the 63 route. Posts 1343 and 1347 above both bemoan the performance of the 63 in recent times. Bus Times told me (I might have a missed a day when checking I guess), that the service has run to perfection since the start of February at least.
My aim is not to come across as antagonistic to other valued members of the forum so I tried to write the post with that aim in mind. In my review, I did not look at 70 or 71 and I also don't dismiss the problems that obviously exist for those of you actually using the buses when I am not. I looked at Bus Times purely to get an understanding of the posts I am seeing, not to try and find a contradiction to them. Unfortunately, I couldn't get that understanding I was looking for.
If only my route had the reliability of the 63 in recent weeks. On my route, Arriva have apologized on their website for the mess that route is in at the moment, they should also apologise for the constant banging (release of excess air I think) that I have to endure from the Mercs as they pass me on the street but they don't. So I can definitely complain about that as they themselves admit the problem.
An example of their trying their best. The 70 today , is a 2 bus working, already on uts 4th bus. 52 broke down this morning, and 1 either broke or got took off, and there was a two hr gap in service between 1245 and 245 wolves to Cannock. 51 replaced 1
Chaserider havent had a great day today, three buses broke down on 74/826 etc circuit. Why they use clapped out Solos, a 30 seat two door E200 and the most knackered MCV they have on the most intensive interurban services is beyond me, when they have newer full size buses running round empty on locals is beyond me
Quote from: Bob on March 21, 2023, 06:14:57 PMChaserider havent had a great day today, three buses broke down on 74/826 etc circuit. Why they use clapped out Solos, a 30 seat two door E200 and the most knackered MCV they have on the most intensive interurban services is beyond me, when they have newer full size buses running round empty on locals is beyond me
yep i have noticed the sudden decline in the vehicle allocation to these sets of routes, The loss of revenue with this shower of crap vehicles must not be of importance to the management, tiny unreliable solos on busy times and the twin door old clapped out e200 don't seat that many either, but the vehicle allocation to the 60 seems to of improved, swap the crap off the 60 to the 74 this week :-). 132 was heading out of Lichfield this morning around 7.10am ish direct down the A51 via longdon rather then the normal line of route via Handsacre for some reason, and it dont half look a rough old tub too.
Quote from: solonightrider on March 21, 2023, 10:45:37 PMyep i have noticed the sudden decline in the vehicle allocation to these sets of routes, The loss of revenue with this shower of crap vehicles must not be of importance to the management, tiny unreliable solos on busy times and the twin door old clapped out e200 don't seat that many either, but the vehicle allocation to the 60 seems to of improved, swap the crap off the 60 to the 74 this week :-). 132 was heading out of Lichfield this morning around 7.10am ish direct down the A51 via longdon rather then the normal line of route via Handsacre for some reason, and it dont half look a rough old tub too.
132 smells of damp inside. It hasnt been in service for over a week, i was on it on the 70 the last time it was used before today, spwnt most of the journey back to Cannock with warning buzzers going off. Driver pulled up at Delta Way, got out said "ill be back in a few mins" waited about 5 mins then came back and dtove it back to cannock with buzzers still going. It wasnt used for over a week after that. It didnt make it through today on 74/826 lol
Quote from: solonightrider on March 21, 2023, 10:45:37 PMyep i have noticed the sudden decline in the vehicle allocation to these sets of routes, The loss of revenue with this shower of crap vehicles must not be of importance to the management, tiny unreliable solos on busy times and the twin door old clapped out e200 don't seat that many either, but the vehicle allocation to the 60 seems to of improved, swap the crap off the 60 to the 74 this week :-). 132 was heading out of Lichfield this morning around 7.10am ish direct down the A51 via longdon rather then the normal line of route via Handsacre for some reason, and it dont half look a rough old tub too.
4 volvos and 187 arent in service atm, so looks like theyre struggling for full sized stuff
Two recent additions to the fleet both on Pye Greens today.
YW68 PBU last known with Kevs & YX16 OHW last known with McColls from Dumbarton
Photos of both will be on the main site shortly
Quote from: Tony on March 22, 2023, 06:08:24 PMTwo recent additions to the fleet both on Pye Greens today.
YW68 PBU last known with Kevs & YX16 OHW last known with McColls from Dumbarton
Photos of both will be on the main site shortly
Both over for paint i'm lead to believe before heading up to D & G to be used on the work gained from Arriva's depot closure's
Once again they cant even run scheduled services! Queue of people waiting for the 1245 70 from Wton to Cannock that got as far as Cheslyn Hay and broke down......... nice 2 hr gap then......their communucations as bad as the operation. You might think theyd put on social media that its not running, considering its hourly
Quote from: Bob on April 03, 2023, 12:50:05 PMOnce again they cant even run scheduled services! Queue of people waiting for the 1245 70 from Wton to Cannock that got as far as Cheslyn Hay and broke down......... nice 2 hr gap then......their communucations as bad as the operation. You might think theyd put on social media that its not running, considering its hourly
Why when they have got you
Any idea which route goes by the crem at Heath Hayes?
Quote from: Westy on April 29, 2023, 12:15:20 PMAny idea which route goes by the crem at Heath Hayes?
Chaserider 60 is the nearest service. You should alight in Norton Road just after the A5190 island (The Five Ways pub is on the right at the island). The entrance is behind the bus shelter.
Quote from: Westy on April 29, 2023, 12:15:20 PMAny idea which route goes by the crem at Heath Hayes?
60 does
Cheers both.
Gotta go to a funeral a week on Tuesday with sister.
Just seeing what options we've got.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on April 29, 2023, 03:21:00 PMChaserider 60 is the nearest service. You should alight in Norton Road just after the A5190 island (The Five Ways pub is on the right at the island). The entrance is behind the bus shelter.
Based on what you've given me, is it the stop shown on Bustimes.Org as 'Heath Hayes by Cannock Road' we need to get off at?
Quote from: Westy on April 29, 2023, 06:22:02 PMBased on what you've given me, is it the stop shown on Bustimes.Org as 'Heath Hayes by Cannock Road' we need to get off at?
Yes
Give yourself plenty of time though as Chaserider have a tendency not to turn up on occasions.
Quote from: 888DUK on April 30, 2023, 11:09:19 AMYes
Give yourself plenty of time though as Chaserider have a tendency not to turn up on occasions.
Yeah. Thought as much, as we are toying with the idea of a taxi as well.
Did have a brief look at the rail timetable between Bloxwich & Cannock, and despite being able to pick up the 60 in rail station/McArthur Glen area, save going into Cannock itself, it's tight for connections.
Will have to look at the X51 in comparison.
Quote from: Westy on April 29, 2023, 06:14:00 PMCheers both.
Gotta go to a funeral a week on Tuesday with sister.
Just seeing what options we've got.
Hearse other option to get to the crem
Quote from: karl724223 on April 30, 2023, 12:15:36 PMHearse other option to get to the crem
Think you'll find someone else has taken that option! :)
Presumably the TFWM emissions rules will affect the 70 and the Wolves extensions of the 71
Quote from: Bob on May 01, 2023, 12:38:46 PMPresumably the TFWM emissions rules will affect the 70 and the Wolves extensions of the 71
Unless suitable buses can be sourced from the parent company.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on May 01, 2023, 12:51:11 PMUnless suitable buses can be sourced from the parent company.
Will that little bit of the 3 in Brownhills be affected as well?
Quote from: Westy on May 01, 2023, 01:12:02 PMWill that little bit of the 3 in Brownhills be affected as well?
Shouldn't be. 3 is already mandatory to Euro 6 buses. 70 & 71 will probably see the streetlites be permanently moved to run it. Me personally can't see them getting new buses to run it
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on May 01, 2023, 01:28:58 PMMe personally can't see them getting new buses to run it
Don't necessarily need new buses, just ones that are Euro6.
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on May 01, 2023, 01:28:58 PMShouldn't be. 3 is already mandatory to Euro 6 buses. 70 & 71 will probably see the streetlites be permanently moved to run it. Me personally can't see them getting new buses to run it
With their amazing reliability lol
Not sure how busy 70/71 are but could they see enviros or solo.sr instead
Quote from: Solo1 on May 01, 2023, 09:30:41 PMNot sure how busy 70/71 are but could they see enviros or solo.sr instead
I dont think Cannocks SR solos are Euro 6 , they 58/09 plate , too small and incredibly prone to breaking down
Quote from: Solo1 on May 01, 2023, 09:30:41 PMNot sure how busy 70/71 are but could they see enviros or solo.sr instead
There solos are Euro 5 and 22 is the only euro 6 enviro they have for it
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on May 02, 2023, 05:50:29 AMThere solos are Euro 5 and 22 is the only euro 6 enviro they have for it
Ok thanks
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on May 02, 2023, 05:50:29 AMThere solos are Euro 5 and 22 is the only euro 6 enviro they have for it
Aint 1 & 2 mmc's euro 6 and some of the metrocitys? bus 22 lives on the 841/432 circuit
All MMCs are Euro6. The 70 I saw today was an MMC
Quote from: Tony on May 03, 2023, 09:55:43 PMAll MMCs are Euro6. The 70 I saw today was an MMC
Yes i caught that home. Tje other bus on there was a 63 plate MCV the orange one.
Quote from: Tony on May 03, 2023, 09:55:43 PMAll MMCs are Euro6. The 70 I saw today was an MMC
most the MMC are over shropshire way, too posh for staffordshire lol
A 2hr gap in 828 again assume another breakdown - seems no contingency in plans
Quote from: LNational on May 25, 2023, 06:44:27 PMA 2hr gap in 828 again assume another breakdown - seems no contingency in plans
There were a few breakdowns today
No 245 no 80 from Wplves. So a THREE hour gap between 130pm and 430pm in Longford. Joke of a company
Quote from: Bob on May 26, 2023, 03:29:01 PMNo 245 no 80 from Wplves. So a THREE hour gap between 130pm and 430pm in Longford. Joke of a company
Be far worse if it was Diamond... there are Chinese Whispers floating around that Rotala have or had made enquiries about buying Chaserider but I haven't heard anything genuine on that and obviously Diamond wouldn't comment because "commercially sensitive information".... whatever that crap means
Thankfully I have no experience of this shambolic operation. Surely the Traffic Commissioner must be aware of their failures.
I've said before.
Something needs to happen there.
I've done the odd bash in that area under Arriva.
No way am I risking one under Chaserider under current conditions!
I don't fancy being stranded in the back of beyond!
Quote from: hlliwmai on May 26, 2023, 03:32:52 PMBe far worse if it was Diamond... there are Chinese Whispers floating around that Rotala have or had made enquiries about buying Chaserider but I haven't heard anything genuine on that and obviously Diamond wouldn't comment because "commercially sensitive information".... whatever that crap means
Commercially sensitive information is financial or operational details of interest to rivals. In this case if details of any bid from Rotala were leaked then rivals could enter the market with a higher offer.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on May 26, 2023, 05:20:51 PMCommercially sensitive information is financial or operational details of interest to rivals. In this case if details of any bid from Rotala were leaked then rivals could enter the market with a higher offer.
I dont know,why they'd even want to buy it tbf!!
Quote from: Rachvince53 on May 26, 2023, 05:20:51 PMCommercially sensitive information is financial or operational details of interest to rivals. In this case if details of any bid from Rotala were leaked then rivals could enter the market with a higher offer.
I understand Rotala looked at Chaserider a while ago but weren't interested in making an offer.
I suspect it's unlikely there would be a bidding war for Chaserider....
Quote from: winston on May 26, 2023, 07:46:51 PMI understand Rotala looked at Chaserider a while ago but weren't interested in making an offer.
I suspect it's unlikely there would be a bidding war for Chaserider....
Well theyre a bit of a joke of an operation.buses broke down on 826 828 today, the 20 past 2 74 was a no show , but they have at least sent a twin doir e200 from cannock to run on 74, but its like 10 min ahead of the next one lol. Feel sorry for the people waitimg for whatever 826 shouldve turned into 74 on arrival in stafford , with it being hourly
It was MMC no 2 that broke down on 826, that old white volvo had also given up the ghost on there about 8am this morning
Mmc no 2 didnt manage the first trip on the 3 this morning and broke down on route to Cannock. Theyre not having a very good day so far, 166 Solo SR broke down on a 71 and didnt make the full trip which left a gap between the 10.15 and 12.15 Wolves to Cannock
582 YX11 CTY has moved over to chaserider permanently
Wonder if its a direct repkacement for 669
Quote from: Bob on June 02, 2023, 11:46:50 PMWonder if its a direct repkacement for 669
Yes, that's apparently going for scrap eventually once it's been stripped of parts for the other Evolutions
193 (FJ58 HYS) is re-entering service after being long term VOR this afternoon
Quote from: hlliwmai on June 06, 2023, 01:26:43 PM193 (FJ58 HYS) is re-entering service after being long term VOR this afternoon
It broke down on the 16.10 826 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Chaserider are renting some space in Delta Way to another company, so don't get too excited thing Chaserider have some different vehicles next week
Something seriously wrong with the 70 today.there hasnt been one for almost three hours from Cannock. And as usual absolutely nothing on the Chaserider social media. They could at least inform passengers to be fair
Very heavy traffic off M6 towards Featherstone think there were an accident as I saw ambulances going from M6 roundabout that way
Quote from: Vulcan on June 08, 2023, 07:36:08 PMVery heavy traffic off M6 towards Featherstone think there were an accident as I saw ambulances going from M6 roundabout that way
To add insult to injury, they sent Soko 124 to run the final 70 from Wolves to Cannock, which was obvs already extremely late, the bus had been pi##ing out oil in the bus stn this afternoon then later was sat with its engine cover up. It brok,e down near Shareshill. Of all the buses to send....
Quote from: Bob on June 08, 2023, 09:12:10 PMTo add insult to injury, they sent Soko 124 to run the final 70 from Wolves to Cannock, which was obvs already extremely late, the bus had been pi##ing out oil in the bus stn this afternoon then later was sat with its engine cover up. It brok,e down near Shareshill. Of all the buses to send....
At least they sent something...even if it did break down.
Quote from: Bob on June 08, 2023, 05:35:05 PMSomething seriously wrong with the 70 today.there hasnt been one for almost three hours from Cannock. And as usual absolutely nothing on the Chaserider social media. They could at least inform passengers to be fair
Featherstone is horrendous at the moment mate, temp lights, took me 55 mins to do a 10 min journey this afternoon
Quote from: Rachvince53 on June 08, 2023, 09:24:42 PMAt least they sent something...even if it did break down.
Yeah usually they leave 2hr gaps. But why send a bus that had already broke down and went bqck out spitting oil 🤣🤣🤣
Quote from: Jamie A on June 08, 2023, 11:19:32 PMFeatherstone is horrendous at the moment mate, temp lights, took me 55 mins to do a 10 min journey this afternoon
Is it just them lights by that piece of roadworks? Crazy
Chaserider are having a bad day today, cant even run extra buses on 70 like yesterday, due to two buses having to replace breakdowns. Mmc broke in brownhills on the3, volvo on 74 this morning, 60 has had 148 break down on it en route to lichfield, and solo 124, which broke down on the final 70 yesterday, has broke down again today on the 62. But then 18 yr old tiny clapped out Solos on interurban routes??
Theyve outdone themselves today 🤣The 60, a 4 bus working had an incredible THREE out of four buses break down all before 9am, 148, the clapped out solo, 671, the equally unreliable MCV that also broke down on Sat morning, the last time it was used, and a Volvo, four of the 8 of which are currently off the road. Its now running 1 bus short atm, having dragged an SR solo off Pye Greens and a streetlite on there and a metrocity, so presumably will be hourly at certain points.. They do say things come in 3s 😜
169 broke down as well, along with 162 and the Volvo that was on the 70, leaving it currently a 1 bus atm, which on a normal day would make it two hourly, but with the delays due ti featherstone roadworks,poss more three hourly. Anyone say s##tshow? 🤣
Quote from: Bob on June 12, 2023, 01:26:05 PM169 broke down as well, along with 162 and the Volvo that was on the 70, leaving it currently a 1 bus atm, which on a normal day would make it two hourly, but with the delays due ti featherstone roadworks,poss more three hourly. Anyone say s##tshow? 🤣
Normal day in paradise
Quote from: Bob on June 12, 2023, 01:34:09 PMCan you imagine having to rely on this? 🤣🤣🤣
No cuz I just drive the buses 🤣
Quote from: Bob on June 12, 2023, 10:40:27 AMTheyve outdone themselves today 🤣The 60, a 4 bus working had an incredible THREE out of four buses break down all before 9am, 148, the clapped out solo, 671, the equally unreliable MCV that also broke down on Sat morning, the last time it was used, and a Volvo, four of the 8 of which are currently off the road. Its now running 1 bus short atm, having dragged an SR solo off Pye Greens and a streetlite on there and a metrocity, so presumably will be hourly at certain points.. They do say things come in 3s 😜
Why isn't the traffic Commissioner looking at this operator?
Quote from: markcf83 on June 12, 2023, 03:03:26 PMWhy isn't the traffic Commissioner looking at this operator?
Theyve had even more breakdowns since. 799 has broken down too, and 180 ( or whatevers tracking as it). Registered mileage must be non existent. 60 is still running on three buses instead of 4
Does anyone find it strange that chaserider are having a few breakdowns and arriva did when they where around yet they did bring some of there own fleet with them.
Quote from: Craigkibbs on June 12, 2023, 08:17:22 PMDoes anyone find it strange that chaserider are having a few breakdowns and arriva did when they where around yet they did bring some of there own fleet with them.
They're having major issues with the stuff they brought that's what making us question them. I think if it was just the arriva stuff breaking down constantly we'd understand. The only ones I don't blame Chaserider for is 62 and 64 as they were the first Damiler streetlites ever produced so they're bound to have issues
More than a few. Worae than ever today. 671, that broke down this morning, got sent back out abd broke down again on the last 60 of the day, they at least found another bus to do the last trip to cannock this time though. After running one bus short all day during the daytine
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on June 12, 2023, 09:05:48 PMThey're having major issues with the stuff they brought that's what making us question them. I think if it was just the arriva stuff breaking down constantly we'd understand. The only ones I don't blame Chaserider for is 62 and 64 as they were the first Damiler streetlites ever produced so they're bound to have issues
Issues that lead to one being scrapped and the other still off the road after 12 months lol
Quote from: Bob on June 12, 2023, 03:18:52 PMTheyve had even more breakdowns since. 799 has broken down too, and 180 ( or whatevers tracking as it). Registered mileage must be non existent. 60 is still running on three buses instead of 4
A lot of the issues seem to be time expired Optare solo issues! I don't understand why they keep wasting money keeping time expired solos which seem to fail time and time again on a daily basis, all the monies wasted on these clapped out optares must be eye watering, recovery, lost mileages/revenue parts & labour. Surely could of brought some good 2nd hand e200s or the likes in with the money wasted on all this junk. And then using these tiny small unreliable sheds on the interuban services is just a recipe for trouble. That orange Metrocity 799 seems to be about the best optare on fleet, its a nice bit of kit inside tbf and sounds quite nice too with the different gearbox set up.
Quote from: solonightrider on June 12, 2023, 10:23:20 PMA lot of the issues seem to be time expired Optare solo issues! I don't understand why they keep wasting money keeping time expired solos which seem to fail time and time again on a daily basis, all the monies wasted on these clapped out optares must be eye watering, recovery, lost mileages/revenue parts & labour. Surely could of brought some good 2nd hand e200s or the likes in with the money wasted on all this junk. And then using these tiny small unreliable sheds on the interuban services is just a recipe for trouble. That orange Metrocity 799 seems to be about the best optare on fleet, its a nice bit of kit inside tbf and sounds quite nice too with the different gearbox set up.
Considering its a demonstrator and demonstrators tend to be riddled with issues because they're brand new its honestly the most reliable. I've only known a few times its brokedown. Once last year after going into limp mode, few weeks back it had gear box issues and then today because of the heat
The solos are the worst however, they need to go. Not even a Chaserider issue that they're breaking. It's just a solo issue. Considering 625 is the oldest volvo they have now its honestly the better out the lot they have. Even 1 and 2 have become riddled with issues. They both spend more time off road than on
Quote from: solonightrider on June 12, 2023, 10:23:20 PMA lot of the issues seem to be time expired Optare solo issues! I don't understand why they keep wasting money keeping time expired solos which seem to fail time and time again on a daily basis, all the monies wasted on these clapped out optares must be eye watering, recovery, lost mileages/revenue parts & labour. Surely could of brought some good 2nd hand e200s or the likes in with the money wasted on all this junk. And then using these tiny small unreliable sheds on the interuban services is just a recipe for trouble. That orange Metrocity 799 seems to be about the best optare on fleet, its a nice bit of kit inside tbf and sounds quite nice too with the different gearbox set up.
The 799 that broke down today again? Lol. And 144 the Metro thats been off the road for ages 🤣🤣
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on June 12, 2023, 11:03:47 PMThe solos are the worst however, they need to go. Not even a Chaserider issue that they're breaking. It's just a solo issue. Considering 625 is the oldest volvo they have now its honestly the better out the lot they have. Even 1 and 2 have become riddled with issues. They both spend more time off road than on
The maintanence at Delta Way must be top notch lol
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on June 12, 2023, 11:03:47 PMThe solos are the worst however, they need to go. Not even a Chaserider issue that they're breaking. It's just a solo issue. Considering 625 is the oldest volvo they have now its honestly the better out the lot they have. Even 1 and 2 have become riddled with issues. They both spend more time off road than on
Its not just the Solos. The MCVs are absolute heaps of junk. The ex London E200s are unreliable sheds with centre doors that are held on with cable ties and sound like theyre gonna fall out, and like you say they struggle to keep even 1 and 2 on the road. Loads of knackered lightweight stuff used on heavy work theyre not up to. Evrn the Volvos are starting to break down almost daily and 748 sounds knackered too.
Quote from: Bob on June 12, 2023, 11:05:52 PMThe maintanence at Delta Way must be top notch lol
You clearly haven't seen Hallbridge Way (Diamond Tividale)
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on June 12, 2023, 11:03:47 PMThe solos are the worst however, they need to go. Not even a Chaserider issue that they're breaking. It's just a solo issue. Considering 625 is the oldest volvo they have now its honestly the better out the lot they have. Even 1 and 2 have become riddled with issues. They both spend more time off road than on
Solos are just horrendous pit hugging - tow truck needs things, and need a one way journey to the bin with a tow truck of course as doubt they would make the journey with out failing on route. The Volvo's & Scania's are heavyweight so should be fine but again age is creeping on them now and them Volvo's ain't come from the best home either!. Guessing the modern day electrics on the metro-city's & enviro's are the main issues, every thing built for a short life and throw away nowadays nowt seems to be built to last any more! Both them longer metro citys were demos from new so prob had a hard life doing the rounds but that orange one seems to be a nice bus for a optare product.
Quote from: solonightrider on June 12, 2023, 10:23:20 PMA lot of the issues seem to be time expired Optare solo issues! I don't understand why they keep wasting money keeping time expired solos which seem to fail time and time again on a daily basis, all the monies wasted on these clapped out optares must be eye watering, recovery, lost mileages/revenue parts & labour. Surely could of brought some good 2nd hand e200s or the likes in with the money wasted on all this junk. And then using these tiny small unreliable sheds on the interuban services is just a recipe for trouble. That orange Metrocity 799 seems to be about the best optare on fleet, its a nice bit of kit inside tbf and sounds quite nice too with the different gearbox set up.
There's plenty of Enviros available on the second hand market. No excuse.....
Quote from: markcf83 on June 14, 2023, 11:28:26 AMThere's plenty of Enviros available on the second hand market. No excuse.....
Yes, I agree actually like the one I've just come across on Facebook;
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02qaMLujWBwxuuofg4iiTPrsoYu5JMr2sLNmDcUnwx5YrUzH4fHqirZVLvhY94z2oEl&id=102331764840878 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02qaMLujWBwxuuofg4iiTPrsoYu5JMr2sLNmDcUnwx5YrUzH4fHqirZVLvhY94z2oEl&id=102331764840878)
Quote from: hlliwmai on June 14, 2023, 12:58:14 PMYes, I agree actually like the one I've just come across on Facebook;
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02qaMLujWBwxuuofg4iiTPrsoYu5JMr2sLNmDcUnwx5YrUzH4fHqirZVLvhY94z2oEl&id=102331764840878 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02qaMLujWBwxuuofg4iiTPrsoYu5JMr2sLNmDcUnwx5YrUzH4fHqirZVLvhY94z2oEl&id=102331764840878)
I presume you have a spare £92,000 you could lend them for just one bus?
Quote from: Tony on June 14, 2023, 01:02:21 PMI presume you have a spare £92,000 you could lend them for just one bus?
that's what finance is for or the option of leasing
That's probably about the recover costs each month
Quote from: hlliwmai on June 14, 2023, 01:05:36 PMthat's what finance is for or the option of leasing
You still have to pay for it.
Every bus company in the UK is losing money at the moment, being kept alive with government money, there's no way Chaserider are bringing in £40-50 per hour which is what is needed to run a bus.
Quote from: Tony on June 14, 2023, 06:33:51 PMYou still have to pay for it.
Every bus company in the UK is losing money at the moment, being kept alive with government money, there's no way Chaserider are bringing in £40-50 per hour which is what is needed to run a bus.
I find it fascinating that the 'they should just buy more buses' mentality still exists, particularly given the prices of both new and second hand buses these days.
If it's that simple some of these 'armchair spotters' should get down to the bank and take the loan out themselves and start their own bus company. It's a free market so if you think Chaserider aren't up to the job why not start a competing service?
Quote from: ContainsNuts on June 14, 2023, 08:49:24 PMI find it fascinating that the 'they should just buy more buses' mentality still exists, particularly given the prices of both new and second hand buses these days.
If it's that simple some of these 'armchair spotters' should get down to the bank and take the loan out themselves and start their own bus company. It's a free market so if you think Chaserider aren't up to the job why not start a competing service?
Perhaps they could maintain whqt they have then to aroadworthy level? 2 no 71s,an hourly service,broke down one aftee another testerday....imagine thats as your first impression as a passenger
Quote from: Bob on June 15, 2023, 05:19:10 AMPerhaps they could maintain whqt they have then to aroadworthy level? 2 no 71s,an hourly service,broke down one aftee another testerday....imagine thats as your first impression as a passenger
So why not start the 'Bob Bus Company' then? It would be better than sitting in your chair scouring the internet for evidence of missing buses then making assumptions that they have broken down because they are 'clapped out' or the staff are 'incompetent'. I doubt you have actually witnessed the majority of 'breakdowns' that you continually allege.
If you did start your own company I'm sure it would be more successful than Chaserider as you seem fully qualified and make it sound so easy. Have you actually ever worked for a bus operator? I doubt it, but then again we live in a society experience and knowledge doesn't really matter as long as you keep banging on about something on the internet until enough people start to agree with you.
You could always offer to buy Chaserider. I'm sure a serious offer would be considered. As others have advised, money is so easy to come across and you can just borrow what you need from the bank, and replace the entire fleet once you take over - all of the 'clapped out' Solos could be scrapped and replaced with 'decent' vehicles like the Metrocity (the one that is identical to a Solo underneath but seems to qualify as a 'proper' bus due to the front wheels being in a slightly different place). The 'Bob Bus Company' will be the best thing that's ever happened to buses in the Cannock area.
I suppose you could always apply for a job at Chaserider. Your vast knowledge of diagnosing faults on buses would be invaluable to any operator, or you could get an operations role where you can ensure that a 'clapped out' Solo never makes it onto an interurban route. Or you could go and drive the buses and never be miserable despite the grief that drivers get from passengers on a daily basis.
Some decent suggestions there for you, or is the armchair too comfortable to leave?
I never understand the constant slaying of an optare solo. These along with the Dennis dart are 2 of the most successful buses of the modern era.
Borrowing money to purchase buses is far from the best way to go. The last thing a struggling company needs is to be laden with more debt. When a bus is purchased outright the value is added to your business
Quote from: Capitalpotter on June 15, 2023, 07:28:21 AMI never understand the constant slaying of an optare solo. These along with the Dennis dart are 2 of the most successful buses of the modern era.
Borrowing money to purchase buses is far from the best way to go. The last thing a struggling company needs is to be laden with more debt. When a bus is purchased outright the value is added to your business
As someone that has drove Optare solos I have found them rather reliable. Also I would like to agree with the above points, if a company is struggling to turn a profit then replacing the whole fleet isn't going to happen.
Quote from: Lukeee on June 15, 2023, 02:03:19 PMAs someone that has drove Optare solos I have found them rather reliable. Also I would like to agree with the above points, if a company is struggling to turn a profit then replacing the whole fleet isn't going to happen.
It certainly doesn't make sense to replace vehicles that you own outright to lease or borrow money to buy.
Well said Contains Nuts in #1440. I think there needs to be a serious reality check. Chaserider took over Cannock in Jan 2021 I believe. Am I right to think the newest buses they were left with were a couple of 09 plates. Everything else Arriva had shipped out to live their final years in other depots. Bus Times has the fleet as 48 buses at the moment with the following breakdown. If you take into account the amount of investment say Arriva has made since then or indeed NX in its Black Country routes and compare that to Chaserider, I'd take Chaserider's investment any day. Sure, buses are often not new but they are better than what was inherited. What more do people demand, especially given the current climate, and how unreasonable are those demands (ask the people of Kent!):
| Age of bus | Count of Age | Reg of bus |
| 0.1 | 1 | 23 |
| 0.5 | 1 | 72 |
| 1 | 2 | 22 |
| 4.5 | 1 | 68 |
| 6 | 2 | 17 |
| 7 | 1 | 16 |
| 7.5 | 2 | 65 |
| 8.5 | 3 | 64 |
| 9 | 1 | 14 |
| 9.5 | 4 | 63 |
| 10 | 1 | 13 |
| 10.5 | 2 | 62 |
| 12 | 2 | 11 |
| 12.5 | 1 | 60 |
| 14 | 6 | 09 |
| 14.5 | 10 | 58 |
| 15 | 3 | 08 |
| 15.5 | 2 | 57 |
| 17 | 2 | 06 |
| 18 | 1 | 05 |
| Grand Total | 48 | 72 |
I've just gone back to Tony's list of movements for when D&G bought Chaserider. That points to 46 buses being transferred as part of the sale, indeed including a few 09 plates but also an 02 plates, 54 plates etc. I think the transformation to what they have now is pretty staggering. It is something to be proud of, not something worthy of serious continuous criticism.
Having done the very quick analysis I have this evening, I feel very sorry that those running Chaserider have to put up with the comments they do on this forum given the transformation, and it is a transformation, of the fleet.... and yes the massive improvement they have made to the fleet in the very short time they have owned it. Especially given most of the time we have had Covid and the after effects since they bought it
Quote from: Budgie on June 19, 2023, 09:06:37 PMWell said Contains Nuts in #1440. I think there needs to be a serious reality check. Chaserider took over Cannock in Jan 2021 I believe. Am I right to think the newest buses they were left with were a couple of 09 plates. Everything else Arriva had shipped out to live their final years in other depots. Bus Times has the fleet as 48 buses at the moment with the following breakdown. If you take into account the amount of investment say Arriva has made since then or indeed NX in its Black Country routes and compare that to Chaserider, I'd take Chaserider's investment any day. Sure, buses are often not new but they are better than what was inherited. What more do people demand, especially given the current climate, and how unreasonable are those demands (ask the people of Kent!):
| Age of bus | Count of Age | Reg of bus |
| 0.1 | 1 | 23 |
| 0.5 | 1 | 72 |
| 1 | 2 | 22 |
| 4.5 | 1 | 68 |
| 6 | 2 | 17 |
| 7 | 1 | 16 |
| 7.5 | 2 | 65 |
| 8.5 | 3 | 64 |
| 9 | 1 | 14 |
| 9.5 | 4 | 63 |
| 10 | 1 | 13 |
| 10.5 | 2 | 62 |
| 12 | 2 | 11 |
| 12.5 | 1 | 60 |
| 14 | 6 | 09 |
| 14.5 | 10 | 58 |
| 15 | 3 | 08 |
| 15.5 | 2 | 57 |
| 17 | 2 | 06 |
| 18 | 1 | 05 |
| Grand Total | 48 | 72 |
No reality check required, 16 of the 48 buses listed were originally Arriva buses acquired with the Cannock Business in Jan 2021, they are still in service with Chaserider as follows:
Optare Solo SR
162 YJ58CCN
163 YJ09MLL
166 YJ09MLN
167 YJ09MLO
Optare Solo
180 YK57FHH
181 YK57FHJ
182 YJ58PKD
VDL SB200 / Wright Commander
187 FJ06ZTK
Volvo B7RLE / Wright Eclispe
191 FJ58HYP
192 FJ58HYR
193 FJ58HYS
194 FJ58HYT
195 FJ58HYU
196 FJ58HYV
197 FJ58HYW
198 FJ58HYX
The newest 6 buses in the Chaserider fleet are all employed on new tendered work centred around Wellington (with Travel Telford branding), they haven't replaced anything, it was a contractural requirement to operate Euro 6 buses. These weren't acquired for former Arriva Cannock services, it is completely new work:
ADL E200MMC's:
538 YX68UMT
539 YX17NKZ
540 YX22OGG
541 YX22OGH
542 YX72ONL
543 YX23OTE
By my claucaltions:
Chaserider Fleet = 48 buses - 6 acquired for new Wellington Contracts (Telford Travel branded)
-16 originally ex Arriva Cannock
= 26 Chaserider replacements acquired / transferred in from Centrebus Group Subsidaries
One odd replacement was 625 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_17com/52872426592) an 06 plate Volvo B7RLE originally ex First Manchester & still in allover white livery.
Quote from: Budgie on June 19, 2023, 09:26:46 PMI've just gone back to Tony's list of movements for when D&G bought Chaserider. That points to 46 buses being transferred as part of the sale, indeed including a few 09 plates but also an 02 plates, 54 plates etc. I think the transformation to what they have now is pretty staggering. It is something to be proud of, not something worthy of serious continuous criticism.
Having done the very quick analysis I have this evening, I feel very sorry that those running Chaserider have to put up with the comments they do on this forum given the transformation, and it is a transformation, of the fleet.... and yes the massive improvement they have made to the fleet in the very short time they have owned it. Especially given most of the time we have had Covid and the after effects since they bought it
Those new purchases as stated , arent used on their interurban services. In the main, elderly unreliable vehicles are. 74 825 826 etc are generally operated with 15 yr old full sized vehicles, whilst Solos of a dimilar age are used on other Cannock/Stafford services. Also if improvement has been so good, why has reliability been so abysmal. Are NX services for example suffering two hour gaps in services cos buses are vonstantly breaking down, or as happened last week on the 60, 75 perc of the buses allocated ( 3 of 4) breaking down before 10am?
Bob, as I have said before, I bought a car exactly because that was what was happening on NX routes. Admittedly it was 10 years ago. Premier 997 using 57 plated buses forever breaking down, the favoured spot being the James Watt college Birmingham bound stop to break down. Sunday hourly's to Walsall frequently not turning up. The final straw for me was the Sunday the 997 short to Pheasey turned up at exactly the time the Walsall bus was due and then waiting forever for the Walsall one to show having been on said breakdown buses during the week. Alternative from Rushall was to go into Walsall and get X51 but the one due approx 08:20 was often a no show, this being the days before the Platinum's started a 10 minute service. I got the impression that was either the last or nearest to last bus from the garage so if they didn't have a driver, that bus got dumped but we didn't have Bus Times to check maps in those days.
My point is I had exactly that experience with NX and with what was relatively new "Premier" buses and the now esteemed X51
This morning, I overtook one of the 68 plate Telford-branded buses on the m54 heading towards Telford. For some reason, it was driving slowly, and it stuck its hazards on as I approached. It made no attempt to go onto the hard shoulder, so I assume it was driving dangerously slowly so it didn't get to its destination too early.
Quote from: ellspurs on June 21, 2023, 06:36:30 PMThis morning, I overtook one of the 68 plate Telford-branded buses on the m54 heading towards Telford. For some reason, it was driving slowly, and it stuck its hazards on as I approached. It made no attempt to go onto the hard shoulder, so I assume it was driving dangerously slowly so it didn't get to its destination too early.
If its still drivable surely it's safer to carry on till the next exit than sit in the hard shoulder with a bus full of passengers
Quote from: ellspurs on June 21, 2023, 06:36:30 PMThis morning, I overtook one of the 68 plate Telford-branded buses on the m54 heading towards Telford. For some reason, it was driving slowly, and it stuck its hazards on as I approached. It made no attempt to go onto the hard shoulder, so I assume it was driving dangerously slowly so it didn't get to its destination too early.
More likely a fault had developed & was driving in limp mode.
Quote from: Lukeee on June 21, 2023, 08:55:13 PMIf its still drivable surely it's safer to carry on till the next exit than sit in the hard shoulder with a bus full of passengers
This was 4.15am~ish, it was empty.
Quote from: winston on June 21, 2023, 10:53:11 PMMore likely a fault had developed & was driving in limp mode.
Quite possibly, but wouldn't you pull over at one of the SOS phones rather than limp along a motorway?
I looked on bustimes and the only 68 plate listed under Chaserider was apparently on the Pye Greens yesterday. It is a mystery.
It looks as if Chaserider could potentially end up loosing the A51 when this happens, I can envisage Diamond taking on the service or it could possibly bounce back to NX Walsall who operated previously.
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/business/2023/06/28/giant-rugeley-amazon-site-to-close-and-be-replaced-by-bigger-sutton-coldfield-centre/
Quote from: hlliwmai on June 28, 2023, 08:58:51 PMIt looks as if Chaserider could potentially end up loosing the A51 when this happens, I can envisage Diamond taking on the service or it could possibly bounce back to NX Walsall who operated previously.
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/business/2023/06/28/giant-rugeley-amazon-site-to-close-and-be-replaced-by-bigger-sutton-coldfield-centre/
Hmm. Wonder whereabouts in Sutton? (For the benefit of my second cousin!)
Quote from: Westy on June 28, 2023, 10:07:27 PMHmm. Wonder whereabouts in Sutton? (For the benefit of my second cousin!)
Peddimore near Minworth.
In terms of buses 71 and X15 to/from the City are nearby. So something could stop there if there's demand for it?
Quote from: 2206 on June 28, 2023, 10:37:27 PMPeddimore near Minworth.
In terms of buses 71 and X15 to/from the City are nearby. So something could stop there if there's demand for it?
So I guess there is scope for Diamond or NX to operate it then as I can't see Chaserider going that far although I could be wrong
Wouldnt have fancied being apassenger on the 1 from huntington to wyrley this morning. 65 broke down en route from huntington and didnt make it past cannock on the 9am journey which wasnt replaced. Then 163 managed a trip from wyrley to huntington for the 10am to eyrley and also broke down anddidnt get past cannock. First trip to actually make the end of the route was the 11am 🤣🤣🤣
Quote from: Bob on June 29, 2023, 07:31:32 PMWouldnt have fancied being apassenger on the 1 from huntington to wyrley this morning. 65 broke down en route from huntington and didnt make it past cannock on the 9am journey which wasnt replaced. Then 163 managed a trip from wyrley to huntington for the 10am to eyrley and also broke down anddidnt get past cannock. First trip to actually make the end of the route was the 11am 🤣🤣🤣
How is the TC not stepping in
The question (as usual) is where is Bob getting his evidence from?
Is he standing at the side of the road observing these issues, or is he sitting in a chair at home scoring the internet for anything he can make an assumption on?
Did the bus break down, or could it have been a faulty ticket machine that has presented incorrect or missing data to bustimes.org and the depot swapped the bus as it was quicker than changing the ticket machine? Or the bus was swapped for another for servicing?
To report to the TC you would need evidence rather than assumptions, and Bob would have to be in a lot of places at the same time to witness as many 'breakdowns' as he says he does!
I seriously think that forums like this should be monitored more to stop these sort of wild accusations - for some reason Chaserider seems to bear the brunt of these and very few other operators come in for such severe criticism. All of the comments that get thrown around are often based on assumptions and are definitely not helpful.
I really think Bob needs to consider whether he is an 'enthusiast' (which is what this forum is for), or just an angry man who really needs to stand aside and leave the commenting for those who are 'enthusiastic' - something which he rarely seems to be, at least not about buses. This issue is not just on this forum, but in several other places online too where I come across the same inane random accusations. I think he needs to understand that it gets very tiresome. Several people say this occasionally but nothing seems to get done by the moderators of groups like this to stem his wild accusations.
Quote from: ContainsNuts on June 30, 2023, 03:43:17 AMThe question (as usual) is where is Bob getting his evidence from?
Is he standing at the side of the road observing these issues, or is he sitting in a chair at home scoring the internet for anything he can make an assumption on?
Did the bus break down, or could it have been a faulty ticket machine that has presented incorrect or missing data to bustimes.org and the depot swapped the bus as it was quicker than changing the ticket machine? Or the bus was swapped for another for servicing?
To report to the TC you would need evidence rather than assumptions, and Bob would have to be in a lot of places at the same time to witness as many 'breakdowns' as he says he does!
I seriously think that forums like this should be monitored more to stop these sort of wild accusations - for some reason Chaserider seems to bear the brunt of these and very few other operators come in for such severe criticism. All of the comments that get thrown around are often based on assumptions and are definitely not helpful.
I really think Bob needs to consider whether he is an 'enthusiast' (which is what this forum is for), or just an angry man who really needs to stand aside and leave the commenting for those who are 'enthusiastic' - something which he rarely seems to be, at least not about buses. This issue is not just on this forum, but in several other places online too where I come across the same inane random accusations. I think he needs to understand that it gets very tiresome. Several people say this occasionally but nothing seems to get done by the moderators of groups like this to stem his wild accusations.
I think you should try living in Cannock and relying on them...... passengers hate them. Theyre renowned for unreliability. Also, when services are hourly etc, missing buses are felt much more keenly than on frequent services. So reliability issues becoke much more apoarent. Maybe you'd like to try and be a bit less rude?
Quote from: ContainsNuts on June 30, 2023, 03:43:17 AMThe question (as usual) is where is Bob getting his evidence from?
Is he standing at the side of the road observing these issues, or is he sitting in a chair at home scoring the internet for anything he can make an assumption on?
Did the bus break down, or could it have been a faulty ticket machine that has presented incorrect or missing data to bustimes.org and the depot swapped the bus as it was quicker than changing the ticket machine? Or the bus was swapped for another for servicing?
To report to the TC you would need evidence rather than assumptions, and Bob would have to be in a lot of places at the same time to witness as many 'breakdowns' as he says he does!
I seriously think that forums like this should be monitored more to stop these sort of wild accusations - for some reason Chaserider seems to bear the brunt of these and very few other operators come in for such severe criticism. All of the comments that get thrown around are often based on assumptions and are definitely not helpful.
I really think Bob needs to consider whether he is an 'enthusiast' (which is what this forum is for), or just an angry man who really needs to stand aside and leave the commenting for those who are 'enthusiastic' - something which he rarely seems to be, at least not about buses. This issue is not just on this forum, but in several other places online too where I come across the same inane random accusations. I think he needs to understand that it gets very tiresome. Several people say this occasionally but nothing seems to get done by the moderators of groups like this to stem his wild accusations.
Diamond / Rotala have come in for far more serious criticism over the years including a number of PI's, but they have clearly upped their game & improved the quality / reliability of their operations, thus receive a lot less negativity on this forum & others now. Arriva Cannock used to come in for equally as much criticism if not more than Chaserider are getting.
If 65 & 163 didn't brake down on the 1 as reported by Bob, what happened to them then? Did those journeys run in full? Do all the missing trips Bob reports actually run?
Is Bob both an enthuiast & someone who has to rely on Chaserider services?
As for the moderators not doing anything about these 'Wild Accusations', how are we meant to know what did / didn't occur? Only you can confirm / deny that. It would be far more useful for you to disprove Bob's comments / accusations than making posts like above.
Quote from: winston on June 30, 2023, 09:15:16 AMDiamond / Rotala have come in for far more serious criticism over the years including a number of PI's, but they have clearly upped their game & improved the quality / reliability of their operations, thus receive a lot less negativity on this forum & others now.
I wouldn't call an operator that just received a 'Formal Warning' from the Office of the Traffic Commissioner (N&P 2610) as one who has 'clearly upped their game' !!
Quote from: Straightlines on June 30, 2023, 09:21:42 AMI wouldn't call an operator that just received a 'Formal Warning' from the Office of the Traffic Commissioner (N&P 2610) as one who has 'clearly upped their game' !!
Formal warning for what? The investment that diamond have put into vehicles in recent years is great to see. They are withdrawing 09 plate vehicles - only 14 years old and replacing them with streetlites and other euro 6 vehicles. 1 dart still in operation now. Yes the drivers I would say have got worse but the fleet side of things is excellent
Quote from: Straightlines on June 30, 2023, 09:21:42 AMI wouldn't call an operator that just received a 'Formal Warning' from the Office of the Traffic Commissioner (N&P 2610) as one who has 'clearly upped their game' !!
It was regarding the Johnson's takeover & initial transion to Diamond, along with some inherited timetabling / driver issues from May 2022.
No penalties / restrictions were imposed either financial or on their license.
Hopefully, Stagecoach Warwickshire will find themselves invited to see the Traffic Commissioner over their Birmingham operations.
Heres a prime example, theyve been operating the pye greens with 40 min gaps due to having buses short on the route, that old white volvo was on there but either got broke down or got took off. This happens all the time, check out their reviews a lot of them are related to tjeir most frequent pye green route simply not running. And yes i have expereince of this as that was the route i was waiting for in Hednesford this afternoon. 16.07 journey to be precise. Its happened loads of times when ive used the route.
Going to be new to this area soon, I've seen buses out all the time to be fair. Without all the slander, factually are the buses and network ok?
Will be possibly travelling Norton Canes, Hednesford, Cannock.
Quote from: BN on July 02, 2023, 07:33:17 AMGoing to be new to this area soon, I've seen buses out all the time to be fair. Without all the slander, factually are the buses and network ok?
Will be possibly travelling Norton Canes, Hednesford, Cannock.
This is probably the wrong place to ask for a considered and balanced opinion!
Quote from: ContainsNuts on July 02, 2023, 07:39:50 AMThis is probably the wrong place to ask for a considered and balanced opinion!
Disprove all the negative posts instead of just complaining about being hard done by!
Quote from: winston on July 02, 2023, 10:08:52 AMDisprove all the negative posts instead of just complaining about being hard done by!
Interesting that a moderator wants someone to provide proof of something. Maybe Bob and co should offer some proof - something which is sadly lacking on this forum!
I've got no proof of anything (why would I have proof?), I just think that this continuous criticism is tiring, particularly as it isn't backed up by any real evidence.
Other forums would insist on proof of any accusations or posts would get taken down. This forum disappoints me as it doesn't seem to be well managed.
Maybe this thread should be renamed 'Chaserider Criticism' and open a new thread for those with something interesting to say.
Quote from: ContainsNuts on July 02, 2023, 10:39:28 AMInteresting that a moderator wants someone to provide proof of something. Maybe Bob and co should offer some proof - something which is sadly lacking on this forum!
I've got no proof of anything (why would I have proof?), I just think that this continuous criticism is tiring, particularly as it isn't backed up by any real evidence.
Other forums would insist on proof of any accusations or posts would get taken down. This forum disappoints me as it doesn't seem to be well managed.
Maybe this thread should be renamed 'Chaserider Criticism' and open a new thread for those with something interesting to say.
You could disprove all of the negative / factually incorrect posts surrounding Chaserider if you wanted too - remember, The Forum Admin Team know who you really are!
You are also accusing Bob of making accusations & unfairly critising Chaserider without backing up your comments.
Bob's posts about missing / late journies operated by another operator, have been checked out in the past & been found to be correct.
Good idea on renaming this thread, however, I don't think the new thread would get many posts.
It's fairly obvious that the moderators of this forum seem to think that the inane ramblings of the few are the way forward, which is something I'm not interested in being a part of. There are plenty of other places on the internet that offer a more balanced view.
I won't bother with further contributions to this forum. I would delete my account but can't figure out how to, which I'm sure is something that should be allowed.
Chaserider apparently have 5 new volvos coming in the next couple of months. Wonder what volvos they're getting
Quote from: ContainsNuts on July 02, 2023, 11:30:21 AMI won't bother with further contributions to this forum. I would delete my account but can't figure out how to, which I'm sure is something that should be allowed.
Stay with us please , forums are for everyone to be able to offer an opinion. I have felt exactly the same on a number of forums I have used over the years but I am pretty certain that I have stayed on as a member - maybe refrain from posting for a week or so ?? I would also miss Bob's contributions to be honest.
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on July 02, 2023, 11:49:18 AMChaserider apparently have 5 new volvos coming in the next couple of months. Wonder what volvos they're getting
If they are brand new, they can only be MCV eVora's, MCV are the only body builder of Volvo single deckers now.
Quote from: ContainsNuts on July 02, 2023, 11:30:21 AMIt's fairly obvious that the moderators of this forum seem to think that the inane ramblings of the few are the way forward, which is something I'm not interested in being a part of. There are plenty of other places on the internet that offer a more balanced view.
I won't bother with further contributions to this forum. I would delete my account but can't figure out how to, which I'm sure is something that should be allowed.
But are they really just inane ramblings or the feelings of frustrated bus users....🤔
Quote from: winston on July 02, 2023, 12:11:29 PMIf they are brand new, they can only be MCV eVora's, MCV are the only body builder of Volvo single deckers now.
Ex Roberts 16 plate ones, currently at Centrebus?
Quote from: ContainsNuts on July 02, 2023, 11:30:21 AMIt's fairly obvious that the moderators of this forum seem to think that the inane ramblings of the few are the way forward, which is something I'm not interested in being a part of. There are plenty of other places on the internet that offer a more balanced view.
I won't bother with further contributions to this forum. I would delete my account but can't figure out how to, which I'm sure is something that should be allowed.
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Quote from: BN on July 02, 2023, 02:15:03 PMEx Roberts 16 plate ones, currently at Centrebus?
Either them or the 5 13 plate mk2 B7RLE's centrebus have
Quote from: BN on July 02, 2023, 02:15:03 PMEx Roberts 16 plate ones, currently at Centrebus?
It's unlikely the Cannock turnover could stand depreciation on new vehicles, the same reason as few were allocated there under Arriva
Quote from: Vulcan on July 02, 2023, 06:31:00 PMIt's unlikely the Cannock turnover could stand depreciation on new vehicles, the same reason as few were allocated there under Arriva
Are they for the Cannock services or the Telford services?
Quote from: BN on July 02, 2023, 07:33:17 AMGoing to be new to this area soon, I've seen buses out all the time to be fair. Without all the slander, factually are the buses and network ok?
Will be possibly travelling Norton Canes, Hednesford, Cannock.
The network is a considered and balanced one - Chaserider inherited a network that had been titivated and allowed to run on without any drastic changes.
They've taken a huge leap of faith, nay poisoned chalice, and done IMHO, a sterling job with a varied fleet and a network of routes that are generally socially necessary in a semi-rural area.
The buses are of varying ages, not dissimilar to many independents and, IMHO again, their breakdowns are more noticeable because of their much smaller fleet size.
Whilst I don't use the services personally, there are many people I know that do and they provide a good service overall.
Quote from: ContainsNuts on July 02, 2023, 07:39:50 AMThis is probably the wrong place to ask for a considered and balanced opinion!
Personally, I disagree (given, I'm assuming, a degree of tongue in cheek response!).
There's a fair mix of opinion who can remember the networks of Chaserider, Arriva and Midland Red North and have seen the evolution and changing landscape of the area and required network.
@BN only you ca be the judge should you actually use it- I'd be genuinely interested to hear your experience to see if it lives upto its poor reputation (according to some!)>
Quote from: Westy on July 02, 2023, 07:28:24 PMAre they for the Cannock services or the Telford services?
I've heard they are for the 828/826 as there's Sunday work coming
Quote from: ntw456 on July 02, 2023, 10:39:55 PMI've heard they are for the 828/826 as there's Sunday work coming
Interesting.
They couldn't make a Sunday service serving McArthur Glen pay, so why Stafford to Lichfield on a Sunday?
Couple maybe for some 35A tender work in Walsall which chase rider have rumoured to have won off diamond
Quote from: WalsallBuses2007 on July 03, 2023, 01:31:46 AMCouple maybe for some 35A tender work in Walsall which chase rider have rumoured to have won off diamond
They have won them
Quote from: Westy on July 02, 2023, 10:47:03 PMInteresting.
They couldn't make a Sunday service serving McArthur Glen pay, so why Stafford to Lichfield on a Sunday?
Work will be tendered. Sunday service would never have paid to McArthur Glen, only reason NX run there is they won a subsidy off McArthur Glen, Chaserider didn't for Sunday service
Quote from: Westy on July 02, 2023, 10:47:03 PMInteresting.
They couldn't make a Sunday service serving McArthur Glen pay, so why Stafford to Lichfield on a Sunday?
I presume this is being funded by the County Council out of the BSIP plus pot announced back in May - Staffs were awarded around £1.3m
Quote from: WalsallBuses2007 on July 03, 2023, 01:31:46 AMCouple maybe for some 35A tender work in Walsall which chase rider have rumoured to have won off diamond
Award confirmed here
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/media/n2ufuwbc/statutory-information-july-2023.pdf
I don't often post on any forums, just read the comments and look for various fleet updates. I only use one Chaserider service and that's the 74 from Wildwood on the outskirts of Stafford into town and back, I use this service probably twice a month, so not a big user but in all honesty I have to say every trip has been there and pretty much on time. I'm not sure if the general Chaserider users find that they are let down regularly, I suspect not, and most will be grateful for having a service, even if the buses are generally old and most, especially the E200's pretty rattly.
Before retiring, one of the measures of financial performance the company I worked for used was ROTA, return on trading assets. If Chaserider use a similar method then there is no possibility of them buying new or even newer buses, as that return will diminish the higher the value of their assets. In my opinion they can only therefore, continue to take on 'cast-offs' from other members of the Centrebus group which are a little younger than what they currently have.
Quote from: Tony on July 03, 2023, 09:27:30 AMWork will be tendered. Sunday service would never have paid to McArthur Glen, only reason NX run there is they won a subsidy off McArthur Glen, Chaserider didn't for Sunday service
Wonder if theyll win it
Quote from: Grinder on July 03, 2023, 11:00:15 AMI don't often post on any forums, just read the comments and look for various fleet updates. I only use one Chaserider service and that's the 74 from Wildwood on the outskirts of Stafford into town and back, I use this service probably twice a month, so not a big user but in all honesty I have to say every trip has been there and pretty much on time. I'm not sure if the general Chaserider users find that they are let down regularly, I suspect not, and most will be grateful for having a service, even if the buses are generally old and most, especially the E200's pretty rattly.
Before retiring, one of the measures of financial performance the company I worked for used was ROTA, return on trading assets. If Chaserider use a similar method then there is no possibility of them buying new or even newer buses, as that return will diminish the higher the value of their assets. In my opinion they can only therefore, continue to take on 'cast-offs' from other members of the Centrebus group which are a little younger than what they currently have.
Let's hope the vehicles concerned are fairly decent in the first place?
Looks like 704 didnt make it further than Baswich into town earlier, it shouldve done the 530pm 74 to cannock, which didnt run. Shame, them Scanias are nice to ride on
Anyone have any idea what's up with 193 again. Came out for the first time in nearly a year and hasn't been seen since?
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on July 05, 2023, 12:43:29 AMAnyone have any idea what's up with 193 again. Came out for the first time in nearly a year and hasn't been seen since?
Wasnt one of the two volvos tjat broke down on 62 yesteeday was it?
Quote from: Bob on July 05, 2023, 07:21:38 AMWasnt one of the two volvos tjat broke down on 62 yesteeday was it?
Nah that was 191 and 198
Wouldnt have fancied being a passengwr on the 3 today..got through three buses on a 1 bus working...big gaps in the hourly service.
With Chaserider picking up the new tender are they having more buses sent to cover. Also does anyone know the changes coming up in September?
Quote from: Craigkibbs on July 15, 2023, 12:29:30 PMWith Chaserider picking up the new tender are they having more buses sent to cover. Also does anyone know the changes coming up in September?
Which changes in September? Not heard anything about that
25,26,62,63,74,826,828,841.
Quote from: hlliwmai on July 15, 2023, 01:54:14 PMWhat about them
They all have changes in September.
Quote from: Craigkibbs on July 15, 2023, 02:02:46 PMThey all have changes in September.
Well I had heard that there are plans for 826/828 to operate on Sunday's
Quote from: Craigkibbs on July 15, 2023, 12:29:30 PMAlso does anyone know the changes coming up in September?
Quote from: Craigkibbs on July 15, 2023, 01:46:31 PM25,26,62,63,74,826,828,841.
Quote from: Craigkibbs on July 15, 2023, 02:02:46 PMThey all have changes in September.
You know more than the rest of us here! :grin:
Few gemini deckers parked upat delta way. Not sure why theyre there tbf
Quote from: Bob on July 15, 2023, 07:05:33 PMFew gemini deckers parked upat delta way. Not sure why theyre there tbf
NX ones sold to Birmingham busworks, just there for storage
4530, 4635,4636,4645 were present on July 2nd when i popped in,however there seems to be another 5 or 6 more since then.
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Quote from: Craigkibbs on July 15, 2023, 02:02:46 PMThey all have changes in September.
Can't you just post a link to what you are referring to and put us all out of our misery :rolleyes:
Quote from: 888DUK on July 16, 2023, 07:17:43 PMCan't you just post a link to what you are referring to and put us all out of our misery :rolleyes:
I saw the details on vosa.
Quote from: 888DUK on July 16, 2023, 07:17:43 PMCan't you just post a link to what you are referring to and put us all out of our misery :rolleyes:
Probs just minor service tweaks or something
Quote from: Craigkibbs on July 16, 2023, 07:32:13 PMI saw the details on vosa.
https://bustimes.org/licences/PD2049888
Details all show variation to timetables. No route changes.
Data on this part of bustimes comes from Traffic Commissioners' local bus service registration data
Chaserider have uploaded the timetables for September. All it is altered times to accommodate schools. Plus the addition of an extra timing point at Cannock Stadium for the 25 & 26. Nothing drastic
Quote from: Craigkibbs on July 15, 2023, 12:29:30 PMWith Chaserider picking up the new tender are they having more buses sent to cover. Also does anyone know the changes coming up in September?
More clapped out solos more than likely ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Quote from: solonightrider on July 19, 2023, 09:19:18 PMMore clapped out solos more than likely ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
On Pye Greens today http://wmbusphotos.com/D+G/543.html
https://www.facebook.com/100060583878822/posts/766570892039033/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v
193 (FJ58 HYS) is withdrawn.
Quote from: hlliwmai on July 19, 2023, 11:13:44 PM193 (FJ58 HYS) is withdrawn.
Very confusing as that's just had a brand new engine
At some point in the not so near future chaserider will be getting Centerbus' Volvo B8's MCV Evolutions on a temp transfer
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on July 20, 2023, 08:30:59 AMAt some point in the not so near future chaserider will be getting Centerbus' Volvo B8's MCV Evolutions on a temp transfer
for the 35a /36 , 25/26 or 841 :-)
The 3 Centrebus Volvo's have arrived at Cannock
Quote from: hlliwmai on July 22, 2023, 12:46:22 PMThe 3 Centrebus Volvo's have arrived at Cannock
Think I just saw one of those pass me on Bloxwich Road.
Must be the first 35a or 36 of the day?
All three centrebus b8 transfers out on the 35A/36. 630, 631, 632.
Quote from: 888DUK on July 24, 2023, 12:41:23 PMAll three centrebus b8 transfers out on the 35A/36. 630, 631, 632.
nice to see some better class of propper vehicles at cannock, shame its part of the euro 6 thing for the 35a/36, as really those big buses are wasted on country side route, when old knackerd time expired solos are still being used on the busier interurban work conking out and being generally unreliable! Lets hope when the new vehicles arrive for the 35a/36 these MCV volovs can be kept hold off to update some crap solos off the interurban work!
Quote from: solonightrider on July 24, 2023, 09:48:13 PMnice to see some better class of propper vehicles at cannock, shame its part of the euro 6 thing for the 35a/36, as really those big buses are wasted on country side route, when old knackerd time expired solos are still being used on the busier interurban work conking out and being generally unreliable! Lets hope when the new vehicles arrive for the 35a/36 these MCV volovs can be kept hold off to update some crap solos off the interurban work!
Like 124 that absolute knackwr that broke down twice today 🤣🤣 least it madr it as far as Norton on the 60 🤣
Imagine relying on the ( tendered) hourly 3 to Brownhills, no bus from Cannock to brownhills between 10.40 and 13.40...( the 11.40 didnt make it and they obvs couldnt manage to find anything for the 12.40), bus no 2 broke down this morning, was briefly replaced by 671, which dubsequently also broke down, 2 was then sent back out again, to subsequently break down. Theyve finally managed to pull 64 off another route to run tbe 13.40 to brownhills, and being one of the most unreliable heaps theyve got, itd be hilarious if they manage a hat trick 🤣🤣🤣
I don't know if Bob's reports are as accurate as they are entertaining but surely the Traffic Commissioners would have something to say about such perennially unreliable services.
Quote from: Stevo on July 26, 2023, 05:51:27 PMI don't know if Bob's reports are as accurate as they are entertaining but surely the Traffic Commissioners would have something to say about such perennially unreliable services.
Its a one bus route that got through three buses. The 1140 broke down on the way from cannock, the 1240 didnt even operate, then they finally pulled a streetlite off pye greens for the 1.40
Chaserider seem to be doing well on the 35A 36 contracts, alreafy managed two breakdowns, a volvo dead early yesterday, and metrocity 799 today. The 3, the 1 bus wiorking has literally broke down every single day this week so far and needed replacing at some point after not making the full journey onky day it hadnt is today, when another bus had to be found to replace 64 on the 1540 and ended up woth it running late that 05 plate Solo that actually does breakdown every day broke down on morning peak 70 had to be replaced, and then got srnt out again only to not manage a trip on the PGs and break down again. Yesterday the 74/826/828 had various breakdowns leading to several missing buses, check out the customer who waited ages for a 74 in stafford yesterday cos two 74s never ran , so the third which did eventually come wouldve meant well over an hrs wait. Wonder whether tfwm will rue the day they awarded them the tender....
Quote from: Bob on July 28, 2023, 06:17:51 PMChaserider seem to be doing well on the 35A 36 contracts, alreafy managed two breakdowns, a volvo dead early yesterday, and metrocity 799 today. The 3, the 1 bus wiorking has literally broke down every single day this week so far and needed replacing at some point after not making the full journey onky day it hadnt is today, when another bus had to be found to replace 64 on the 1540 and ended up woth it running late that 05 plate Solo that actually does breakdown every day broke down on morning peak 70 had to be replaced, and then got srnt out again only to not manage a trip on the PGs and break down again. Yesterday the 74/826/828 had various breakdowns leading to several missing buses, check out the customer who waited ages for a 74 in stafford yesterday cos two 74s never ran , so the third which did eventually come wouldve meant well over an hrs wait. Wonder whether tfwm will rue the day they awarded them the tender....
Actually for your information the Volvo 631 didn't die it had a very minor RTC which took it out of service and was replaced by 799 which was in it's place today this was then swapped later in the day today to bus 1 owing due to it running low on AdBlue so I suggest you get your facts right before you start sprouting your bullshit!!
Quote from: hlliwmai on July 28, 2023, 08:12:04 PMQuote from: hlliwmai on July 28, 2023, 08:12:04 PMActually for your information the Volvo 631 didn't die it had a very minor RTC which took it out of service and was replaced by 799 which was in it's place today this was then swapped later in the day today to bus 1 owing due to it running low on AdBlue so I suggest you get your facts right before you start sprouting your bullshit!!
Actually for your information the Volvo 631 didn't die it had a very minor RTC which took it out of service and was replaced by 799 which was in it's place today this was then swapped later in the day today to bus 1 owing due to it running low on AdBlue so I suggest you get your facts right before you start sprouting your bullshit!!
Wouldnt fluid levels be checked before sending the thing out?? Its already broke down previously this werk. So.. 14.03..made it all the way to Walsall did it??? Didnt leave no gaps in service?? 🤣🤣
Quote from: hlliwmai on July 28, 2023, 08:12:04 PMActually for your information the Volvo 631 didn't die it had a very minor RTC which took it out of service and was replaced by 799 which was in it's place today this was then swapped later in the day today to bus 1 owing due to it running low on AdBlue so I suggest you get your facts right before you start sprouting your bullshit!!
nice bit of kit these volvos but they seem rather large vehicle size for the roads of Shenstone/Stonnall /Lazy Hill Road and must be a nightmare crossing that busy Chester Road area. Transit territory when i drove them many many moons ago and felt lucky.... when it was a merc 608d lol. Must be vastly improved loading to warrent big full sized buses these days.
Quote from: solonightrider on July 28, 2023, 10:55:35 PMnice bit of kit these volvos but they seem rather large vehicle size for the roads of Shenstone/Stonnall /Lazy Hill Road and must be a nightmare crossing that busy Chester Road area. Transit territory when i drove them many many moons ago and felt lucky.... when it was a merc 608d lol. Must be vastly improved loading to warrent big full sized buses these days.
It's because these contracts are a Euro 6 specification I can only assume that TfWM have specified big buses on the routes
Quote from: Bob on July 28, 2023, 11:05:47 PMMqybe because i dont call people names?? And why am i? Are you on commission for them or something? You should be for using personal insults pal....
Whether I do or whether I don't is no concern of yours; You seem to have a vendetta against Chaserider and quite honestly it's really boring!!
@hlliwmai - You can knock the name calling on the head now! - And remember your own statement above, next time you're slagging Diamond off.
Quote from: hlliwmai on July 28, 2023, 11:11:31 PMWhether I do or whether I don't is no concern of yours; You seem to have a vendetta against Chaserider and quite honestly it's really boring!!
Vendetta? Most passengers think theyre a joke. Wouldnt ad blue be checked before leaving the depot? Why send a bus out running low. Not a good look to end up fumping passrngers in Aldridge, esp with the bext bus being over an hour later...the huge gaps on the 3 the other day werent a good look either....nor was what happened on 74 yesterday. It werent buses running late on 74...it was journeys not operating at all in peak times x2 cos theyd broke down.
Quote from: hlliwmai on July 28, 2023, 11:11:31 PMWhether I do or whether I don't is no concern of yours; You seem to have a vendetta against Chaserider and quite honestly it's really boring!!
I dont think I'd admit to working for them to be fair either....
Not sure on the facts but a bus running out of Adblue is incompetence on the operator's part, however if no lost mileage incurred because of this, it's not really an issue from a passenger point of view.
Also it was mentioned above about the size of buses being used. TfWM usually give a minimum capacity requirement for vehicles. In the case for these services, it's a minimum seating capacity of 35 and minimum overall capacity of 40. These capacity numbers are for the 36S only. TfWM also say that vehicles with lesser capacity are suitable for all other journeys.
I'm assuming the length on these Volvos is 12m+. A shorter Euro 6 10.5m length vehicle would meet the tender specification, but perhaps isn't available within the Chaserider fleet.
Quote from: MW on July 28, 2023, 11:46:43 PMNot sure on the facts but a bus running out of Adblue is incompetence on the operator's part, however if no lost mileage incurred because of this, it's not really an issue from a passenger point of view.
Also it was mentioned above about the size of buses being used. TfWM usually give a minimum capacity requirement for vehicles. In the case for these services, it's a minimum seating capacity of 35 and minimum overall capacity of 40. These capacity numbers are for the 36S only. TfWM also say that vehicles with lesser capacity are suitable for all other journeys.
I'm assuming the length on these Volvos is 12m+. A shorter Euro 6 10.5m length vehicle would meet the tender specification, but perhaps isn't available within the Chaserider fleet.
Mileage was lost, it tetminated in Aldridge
Quote from: Bob on July 29, 2023, 12:03:27 AMMileage was lost, it tetminated in Aldridge
Then I agree with you. It is a failure on the operators part.
Adblue consumption is usually anywhere between 5% to 10% of fuel. Typically a bus will use around 80 litres of fuel a day, which works out to be no more than 8 litres of Adblue per day.
The Volvo B8RLE has a 30 litre Adblue tank, so enough Adblue to last 3 days. Obviously tank size and consumption varies across different vehicle types. The E200MMC, for comparison, has a 19 litre tank, so would last two full days of service, on average.
Good practice would be a system where Adblue is topped up either daily or every other day across entire fleets.
Quote from: MW on July 29, 2023, 12:16:29 AMThen I agree with you. It is a failure on the operators part.
Adblue consumption is usually anywhere between 5% to 10% of fuel. Typically a bus will use around 80 litres of fuel a day, which works out to be no more than 8 litres of Adblue per day.
The Volvo B8RLE has a 30 litre Adblue tank, so enough Adblue to last 3 days. Obviously tank size and consumption varies across different vehicle types. The E200MMC, for comparison, has a 19 litre tank, so would last two full days of service, on average.
Good practice would be a system where Adblue is topped up either daily or every other day across entire fleets.
I think one of the Volvos broke down a few months back and had barely any in. It was on one of the Stafford-Lich routes
I don't know how anyone can defend running out of adblue, the diesel is filled every day and so should the adblue, you wouldn't send a vehicle out with a near empty diesel tank or would you ?
Quote from: Mayfield on July 29, 2023, 08:30:02 AMI don't know how anyone can defend running out of adblue, the diesel is filled every day and so should the adblue, you wouldn't send a vehicle out with a near empty diesel tank or would you ?
If you think thats bad, should see whqts , and im gonna say it, so i dont get shot down, "rumoured" to have happened to 144. Allegedly ran with not enough water in and ended up popping the engine. Been VOR for months now.
Quote from: Mayfield on July 29, 2023, 08:30:02 AMI don't know how anyone can defend running out of adblue, the diesel is filled every day and so should the adblue, you wouldn't send a vehicle out with a near empty diesel tank or would you ?
Then there was the Volvo that had that issue with rear axle coming detached at the bus stop on heath hayes high st, caused absolute traffic chaos at the time lol
There is no money running buses anymore even NXWM are losing 10 million a year so if a company like that can't make any money what change do companies like Chaserider have. people like Bob do annoy me because like myself we are not bus people. Bus companies haven't got the money to buy new buses the environment we live in has changed, more people work from home, social travel has halved because there is nowhere to go, the internet hasn't helped. So what I say to people like Bob is instead of spending your whole day checking on buses that are not running & then posting about it, thing how hard it is today to run a bus company.
Quote from: woody38 on July 29, 2023, 02:25:59 PMThere is no money running buses anymore even NXWM are losing 10 million a year so if a company like that can't make any money what change do companies like Chaserider have. people like Bob do annoy me because like myself we are not bus people. Bus companies haven't got the money to buy new buses the environment we live in has changed, more people work from home, social travel has halved because there is nowhere to go, the internet hasn't helped. So what I say to people like Bob is instead of spending your whole day checking on buses that are not running & then posting about it, thing how hard it is today to run a bus company.
Surely running poorly maintained buses, that then susequently lead to huge gaps in service will only speed up the decline though? It wouldnt really entice customers sort of thing?
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I travelled on the Volvo B8RLE on the 36 today and I was very impressed. Friendly driver no breakdowns very nice bus...
I saw 22 at Bloxwich Asda traffic lights just before half 4 today.
Was it covering for a breakdown or was it a change of driver duty?
Quote from: Westy on July 29, 2023, 08:22:16 PMI saw 22 at Bloxwich Asda traffic lights just before half 4 today.
Was it covering for a breakdown or was it a change of driver duty?
22 was on Amazon contract this evening as seen it heading in about 530pm[ish] with a 67 plate e200 of classic and a van hool t9 coach of P&D York too.
There appears to be further Greenbus vehicles at Delta Way for storage - ex London Tridents in both red and green parked with the ex NXWM Geminis.
Not sure how long they've been there as only noticed them on Saturday.
Quote from: Wumpty on July 31, 2023, 09:42:07 AMThere appears to be further Greenbus vehicles at Delta Way for storage - ex London Tridents in both red and green parked with the ex NXWM Geminis.
Not sure how long they've been there as only noticed them on Saturday.
Yes they appeared one of the days last week either Thursday or Friday all I know is Green Bus must be paying Chaserider some good rent in order for them to be stored there because with those parked there it takes up quite a lot of the yard! I don't understand why they couldn't have them stored at their former Hockley depot I'm actually surprised Green Bus haven't approached Diamond and asked to store some on the car park at Tividale
Quote from: hlliwmai on July 31, 2023, 10:12:12 AMYes they appeared one of the days last week either Thursday or Friday all I know is Green Bus must be paying Chaserider some good rent in order for them to be stored there because with those parked there it takes up quite a lot of the yard! I don't understand why they couldn't have them stored at their former Hockley depot I'm actually surprised Green Bus haven't approached Diamond and asked to store some on the car park at Tividale
Chaserider obviously have the spare space or wouldn't have agreed, so it is unexpected extra income for that space, so will only be charging the normal going rate or maybe less. If they put them in Hockley which they no longer rent then they would be paying full expenses as the landlord would expect the full price for retaking that land on.
Cannock should have plenty of spare space, built as a 100 bus garage
Quote from: toomas2212 on July 31, 2023, 01:11:30 PMAnd they did approach diamond at tividale, at the time ex NX 1756 with 4666 went there with EX London 603/606/616, 2 off which are still there
Whats happened to 618? Do you have a list of vehicles still in active service with Green Bus?
Quote from: toomas2212 on July 31, 2023, 01:11:30 PMAnd they did approach diamond at tividale, at the time ex NX 1756 with 4666 went there with EX London 603/606/616, 2 off which are still there
606 & 616 were at Tividale still on 11th July
Unreliable Solo 124 (MX05 ENF) has today transferred back to Hanley and Cannock has received Enviro 593 (YY64 GWL) in it's place whether or not 124 now permanently stays where it is remains to be seen either way 593 looks like a nice addition to Cannock with it being a 6 cylinder Cummins
Quote from: hlliwmai on August 02, 2023, 05:40:45 PMUnreliable Solo 124 (MX05 ENF) has today transferred back to Hanley and Cannock has received Enviro 593 (YY64 GWL) in it's place whether or not 124 now permanently stays where it is remains to be seen either way 593 looks like a nice addition to Cannock with it being a 6 cylinder Cummins
How did it get to D & G? coach aid?
Quote from: Bob on August 02, 2023, 10:11:36 PMHow did it get to D & G? coach aid?
Coming from you I'll admit that is actually funny and probably accurate but I've no idea :laugh:
Quote from: hlliwmai on August 02, 2023, 10:36:14 PMComing from you I'll admit that is actually funny and probably accurate but I've no idea :laugh:
I aim to please 🤣
To be fair it didnt seem to be able to last a day in service, i dunno what they were thinking of even sending it here lol. I never understood why they kept trying to use it on anything other than PGs where it was handy for the depot, putting it on anything inteturban was the deginition of madness cos failure was pretty much built in 😜
Quote from: hlliwmai on August 02, 2023, 05:40:45 PMUnreliable Solo 124 (MX05 ENF) has today transferred back to Hanley and Cannock has received Enviro 593 (YY64 GWL) in it's place whether or not 124 now permanently stays where it is remains to be seen either way 593 looks like a nice addition to Cannock with it being a 6 cylinder Cummins
Aint it literally bost every day since theyve had it? 😜
Quote from: Bob on August 08, 2023, 08:48:14 PMAint it literally bost every day since theyve had it? 😜
Yes
Reading both this & the Select threads, I'm getting the impression before buses are transferred to Chaserider, the vehicles are working reasonably.
Chaserider have problems with vehicles, & it appears in one instance, a 'problem ' vehicle ends up at Select & they get more life out of said vehicle.
I'm thinking something.
I do hope I'm wrong.
Quote from: Westy on August 09, 2023, 09:49:07 AMReading both this & the Select threads, I'm getting the impression before buses are transferred to Chaserider, the vehicles are working reasonably.
Chaserider have problems with vehicles, & it appears in one instance, a 'problem ' vehicle ends up at Select & they get more life out of said vehicle.
I'm thinking something.
I do hope I'm wrong.
In most businesses, there's a ratio of people required against the function required. In this case, you need X number of mechanics to service a fleet of Y buses, taking into account preventative maintenance (not yet
@Bob :wink:), ancillary tasks like refurbs, general adhoc maintenance and breakdowns as they happen (and prioritised based on the severity of the breakdown/vehicle type requirement).
Now, I don't know how many engineering staff they employ, though on logic, it would appear that a slightly smaller fleet like Select is maintained with the right ratio of engineers, coupled with a well maintained fleet (regardless of fleet age).
One can only surmise that either the ratio of engineers to fleet and the required maintenance is wrong, or that they inherit a poison chalice of buses that they don't stand a chance of maintaining with their inherent issues. I would like to err on the side of the latter as there are some very talented engineers at Centrebus Group, Chaserider included, and I don't see any of the buses being driven harshly or outside of normal operating parameters.
I get what
@Westy is saying, though I don't think anything sinister is afoot - I think it's a combination of all the above factors.
QuoteNow, I don't know how many engineering staff they employ
When I was in Cannock yesterday I noticed that there were pieces of paper stuck to the stands saying that they were hiring new engineering staff.
Quote from: Uptight on August 09, 2023, 09:37:31 PMWhen I was in Cannock yesterday I noticed that there were pieces of paper stuck to the stands saying that they were hiring new engineering staff.
Oh they've been in some of the bus stops for ages, there also on some of the buses in the snap boards I don't know how "current" the posters are though
Sampled the delights of chaserider today, first bus 192 boarded at brereton for stafford, made it as far as rugeley and that was it after 15 min wait, solo 180 appears jesus what a heap of junk it is, all the way to stafford flat out 35mph sounding like stuck in 3rd gear screaming its nuts off with a vile smell off hot oil fumes & struggling with the loadins with the small seating capacity.. In to stafford it makes it some how then straight out of service so missed doing its 74 to cannock [another stand full of punters missed]! Managed to get to Cannock later on the old white volvo which does seem to run quite well, and eventually worked our way to Lichfield, then to have the 14.33 828 not turn up, missing in action. Never mind a nice 16 plate volvo rolls in on the 36 empty of punters and also departs empty of punters while 25ish of us wait for a no show 828, The vehicle standard & reliability on the 74/826/828 are pretty shocking! For one of the prime set of routes some serious investment is required on the fleet for sure.
Quote from: solonightrider on August 10, 2023, 09:57:00 PMSampled the delights of chaserider today, first bus 192 boarded at brereton for stafford, made it as far as rugeley and that was it after 15 min wait, solo 180 appears jesus what a heap of junk it is, all the way to stafford flat out 35mph sounding like stuck in 3rd gear screaming its nuts off with a vile smell off hot oil fumes & struggling with the loadins with the small seating capacity.. In to stafford it makes it some how then straight out of service so missed doing its 74 to cannock [another stand full of punters missed]! Managed to get to Cannock later on the old white volvo which does seem to run quite well, and eventually worked our way to Lichfield, then to have the 14.33 828 not turn up, missing in action. Never mind a nice 16 plate volvo rolls in on the 36 empty of punters and also departs empty of punters while 25ish of us wait for a no show 828, The vehicle standard & reliability on the 74/826/828 are pretty shocking! For one of the prime set of routes some serious investment is required on the fleet for sure.
So the 828 would ve one of their regular 2hr gaps, being an hourly service. Happens pretty often tbf
Quote from: Bob on August 10, 2023, 10:13:36 PMSo the 828 would ve one of their regular 2hr gaps, being an hourly service. Happens pretty often tbf
Quote from: solonightrider on August 10, 2023, 09:57:00 PMSampled the delights of chaserider today, first bus 192 boarded at brereton for stafford, made it as far as rugeley and that was it after 15 min wait, solo 180 appears jesus what a heap of junk it is, all the way to stafford flat out 35mph sounding like stuck in 3rd gear screaming its nuts off with a vile smell off hot oil fumes & struggling with the loadins with the small seating capacity.. In to stafford it makes it some how then straight out of service so missed doing its 74 to cannock [another stand full of punters missed]! Managed to get to Cannock later on the old white volvo which does seem to run quite well, and eventually worked our way to Lichfield, then to have the 14.33 828 not turn up, missing in action. Never mind a nice 16 plate volvo rolls in on the 36 empty of punters and also departs empty of punters while 25ish of us wait for a no show 828, The vehicle standard & reliability on the 74/826/828 are pretty shocking! For one of the prime set of routes some serious investment is required on the fleet for sure.
191 and 194 both broke down on 74s today also
Why isn't the local mp all over this he would have a field day with the press getting his photo in the papers
Quote from: karl724223 on August 11, 2023, 09:16:40 AMWhy isn't the local mp all over this he would have a field day with the press getting his photo in the papers
The cynical view would be that's its not an election year!
Quote from: karl724223 on August 11, 2023, 09:16:40 AMWhy isn't the local mp all over this he would have a field day with the press getting his photo in the papers
They're too busy massaging their political egos with the recently announced immigration centre to be opened around Beaconside.
I'm sure the buses will be next on their list :grin:
Quote from: Rachvince53 on August 11, 2023, 09:21:36 AMThe cynical view would be that's its not an election year!
He? Weve got the awful tory queen ( Panto) Dame Amanda Milling who loves photos at food banks , she aint got time for buses 🤣🤣
If it involved Willenhall station, then Eddie Hughes would be there like a rat up a drainpipe!
Quote from: Westy on August 12, 2023, 06:36:40 AMIf it involved Willenhall station, then Eddie Hughes would be there like a rat up a drainpipe!
Hes standing for Tamworth next election, following in the footsteps of Chris Pincher b##ock clincher lol. Eddie Hughes zpoke at our staff conference, those of us with any morals walked out when he came on lol
Quote from: Bob on August 12, 2023, 04:08:56 PMHes standing for Tamworth next election, following in the footsteps of Chris Pincher b##ock clincher lol. Eddie Hughes zpoke at our staff conference, those of us with any morals walked out when he came on lol
His most recent pic on Facebook has him standing by a sign on The Sandbank in Bloxwich!
Quote from: Westy on August 12, 2023, 10:33:57 PMHis most recent pic on Facebook has him standing by a sign on The Sandbank in Bloxwich!
Don't forget the boundary changes affecting the Westminster seats at the next election. One West Midlands MP has already said they're running in another seat in Herefordshire.
this is going slightly off topic now
Quote from: hlliwmai on August 13, 2023, 01:28:44 PMthis is going slightly off topic now
And are you apart of the admin team?
Quote from: Jack on August 13, 2023, 05:46:10 PMAnd are you apart of the admin team?
No need for the sarcasm! I'm only stating what others were thinking why don't you butt out!!
Quote from: Jack on August 13, 2023, 05:46:10 PMAnd are you apart of the admin team?
No, and neither are you, they are quite correct in pointing out that this thread is starting to go off-topic.
This is a structured discussion forum, not Snapchat or Whatsapp.
Back on topic please.
Quote from: Stu on August 13, 2023, 07:24:57 PMNo, and neither are you, they are quite correct in pointing out that this thread is starting to go off-topic.
This is a structured discussion forum, not Snapchat or Whatsapp.
Back on topic please.
Thanks
@Stu
Quote from: karl724223 on August 11, 2023, 09:16:40 AMWhy isn't the local mp all over this he would have a field day with the press getting his photo in the papers
The local MP for Cannock Chase is Dame Amanda Milling MP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Milling). Given the issues with Chaserider I would be surprised if none of her constituents had kicked off to her office or on her social media about the operators quality and reliability. If she is interested in standing again next year she might start making a noise. Most MP's intending to stand again tend to be more active on local issues in the 12 months before a General Election, unless they are in an ultra safe seat.
Cannock is a key target for Labour and the Chase had a Labour MP from 1992 to 2010.
Staffordshire County Council though who are the transport authority for the area don't have their next elections until 2025. Given how rubbish bus services are in the county, if the next Government decided to reorganise local government in Staffordshire, axe the county council and replace it with unitaries no bus users would miss it.
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on August 14, 2023, 02:07:06 AMThe local MP for Cannock Chase is Dame Amanda Milling MP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Milling). Given the issues with Chaserider I would be surprised if none of her constituents had kicked off to her office or on her social media about the operators quality and reliability. If she is interested in standing again next year she might start making a noise. Most MP's intending to stand again tend to be more active on local issues in the 12 months before a General Election, unless they are in an ultra safe seat.
Cannock is a key target for Labour and the Chase had a Labour MP from 1992 to 2010.
Staffordshire County Council though who are the transport authority for the area don't have their next elections until 2025. Given how rubbish bus services are in the county, if the next Government decided to reorganise local government in Staffordshire, axe the county council and replace it with unitaries no bus users would miss it.
Funny you should say that. On her fb page theres a post about the trains shes put and a comment about her doing nothing about chaserider or "whys she scared to take on Chaserider" to be precise. The seat, despite her majority, is predicted to flip back to Labour apoarently. Shes quite sly. When the Sunday services and also evenings went, she was all over the press at the time slaghing off Arriva for axing them, but not mentioning SCC funfing cuts so only telling half a story
Seen it mentioned that Chaserider may be getting the 19 (walsal to Bloxwich) in October
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on August 16, 2023, 09:44:09 PMSeen it mentioned that Chaserider may be getting the 19 (walsal to Bloxwich) in October
It'll be interesting to see if they do the Sunday service, as well as the Monday to Saturday service, as Cannock is now open, according to a comment on the NX Walsall thread, on Sundays, to do the Telford services & run rail replacements, so it could be possible?
Quote from: Westy on August 16, 2023, 10:56:22 PMIt'll be interesting to see if they do the Sunday service, as well as the Monday to Saturday service, as Cannock is now open, according to a comment on the NX Walsall thread, on Sundays, to do the Telford services & run rail replacements, so it could be possible?
Very much could be possible. They also did the lichfeild bower as well on a Sunday which proved to be a huge sucess
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on August 17, 2023, 04:07:34 AMVery much could be possible. They also did the lichfeild bower as well on a Sunday which proved to be a huge sucess
Yea if you lived in Burntwood onwards lol
Roomer has it that Chaserider are to get some evoras. Hopefully this will help with the breakdowns that keep getting mentioned.
D&G are also apparently due some new vehicles as well.
Quote from: twbc99 on August 20, 2023, 07:25:22 PMRoomer has it that Chaserider are to get some evoras. Hopefully this will help with the breakdowns that keep getting mentioned.
D&G are also apparently due some new vehicles as well.
Ive heard D&G are getting e200mmcs to replace some of the older ex London e200s and yes Chaserider are getting Evora's for the 35/36 route
Quote from: Capitalpotter on August 21, 2023, 01:43:52 PMIve heard D&G are getting e200mmcs to replace some of the older ex London e200s and yes Chaserider are getting Evora's for the 35/36 route
Are they getting anything for their core Cannock /interurban network to replace the more clapped out members of the fleet?
Quote from: Bob on August 21, 2023, 04:53:16 PMAre they getting anything for their core Cannock /interurban network to replace the more clapped out members of the fleet?
Hahahahahahaha you're a joker, aren't you?
Quote from: ellspurs on August 21, 2023, 05:03:04 PMHahahahahahaha you're a joker, aren't you?
Well that wont improve the reliability on the main network then haha. By 10am this morning theyd already had 2 breakdowns on hourly services 🙆�♂️
Quote from: Bob on August 21, 2023, 04:53:16 PMAre they getting anything for their core Cannock /interurban network to replace the more clapped out members of the fleet?
Not sure. Maybe the evolutions currently on the 35/36 will stay
Quote from: Capitalpotter on August 22, 2023, 12:08:16 PMNot sure. Maybe the evolutions currently on the 35/36 will stay
Id heard they were just a loan till sept
Quote from: Bob on August 22, 2023, 01:54:39 PMId heard they were just a loan till sept
I heard the same but things can always change. They can't keep the oldest buses on the longest routes for ever
197 (FJ58 HYW) is withdrawn.
Quote from: Bob on August 24, 2023, 04:32:02 PMKnackered?
Well I have had a heavy day's shopping
@Bob - thanks for asking :grin:
144 has disappeared from Bustimes, wasn't this the one that's been off the road since April with allegedly engine issues, has it been sold/scrapped ?
Quote from: Mayfield on August 31, 2023, 12:11:35 PM144 has disappeared from Bustimes, wasn't this the one that's been off the road since April with allegedly engine issues, has it been sold/scrapped ?
Scrapped, went for a new engine but told Chaserider there was more wrong than right and it would cost way too much to repair
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on August 31, 2023, 01:57:23 PMScrapped, went for a new engine but told Chaserider there was more wrong than right and it would cost way too much to repair
jeez one of the more newer buses in such a state but they hemorage money on keeping 15/16 year old solos running. Not even had 144 that long just over 12 months or so :cry:
Quote from: ellspurs on August 21, 2023, 05:03:04 PMHahahahahahaha you're a joker, aren't you?
Quote from: Bob on August 21, 2023, 04:53:16 PMAre they getting anything for their core Cannock /interurban network to replace the more clapped out members of the fleet?
eco friendly Solos bob lol :-) [hooked up to the back of the recovery wagon makes them excellent on fuel consumption lol ]
Sure another switched on operator will get that back on the road soon.
Quote from: solonightrider on August 31, 2023, 09:56:33 PMeco friendly Solos bob lol :-) [hooked up to the back of the recovery wagon makes them excellent on fuel consumption lol ]
Net zero solos 🤣🤣🤣
Quote from: solonightrider on August 31, 2023, 09:54:39 PMjeez one of the more newer buses in such a state but they hemorage money on keeping 15/16 year old solos running. Not even had 144 that long just over 12 months or so :cry:
These things happen. A few years ago I bought a brand new car that had done just 18 miles. It broke down the very next day with only 26 miles on the clock.
Re 144. I've heard it's still in the yard for spares
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on August 31, 2023, 01:57:23 PMScrapped, went for a new engine but told Chaserider there was more wrong than right and it would cost way too much to repair
So now they're scrapping Metrocities!
Quote from: joieman on September 01, 2023, 03:05:01 PMSo now they're scrapping Metrocities!
Only the 1, 169 and 799 aren't going anywhere
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on September 01, 2023, 04:32:24 PMOnly the 1, 169 and 799 aren't going anywhere
I wish 799 would I hate the bloody thing
Quote from: hlliwmai on September 01, 2023, 04:33:40 PMI wish 799 would I hate the bloody thing
I've just been on it and it's quite nice interior wise but my god does it jault
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on September 01, 2023, 04:35:08 PMI've just been on it and it's quite nice interior wise but my god does it jault
Exactly the reason why I don't like it
Could these 3 buses be for the 35/36 routes
https://www.route-one.net/news/centrebus-orders-four-more-adl-enviro200s/
Quote from: Capitalpotter on September 06, 2023, 08:10:17 PMCould these 3 buses be for the 35/36 routes
https://www.route-one.net/news/centrebus-orders-four-more-adl-enviro200s/
well im sure they wont be for the longer interurban routes that are crying out for vehicle and reliability upgrade.
Quote from: Capitalpotter on September 06, 2023, 08:10:17 PMCould these 3 buses be for the 35/36 routes
https://www.route-one.net/news/centrebus-orders-four-more-adl-enviro200s/
Think most people are thinking that way. Even drivers are thinking it and the 4th being used for the rumored 19 they're taking over in Walsall
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on September 06, 2023, 10:09:49 PMThink most people are thinking that way. Even drivers are thinking it and the 4th being used for the rumored 19 they're taking over in Walsall
The original rumour was for Evora's wasnt it?
But
Quote from: solonightrider on September 06, 2023, 09:06:11 PMwell im sure they wont be for the longer interurban routes that are crying out for vehicle and reliability upgrade.
But with 4 new buses arriving it might cascade newer buses
Quote from: Capitalpotter on September 06, 2023, 10:30:28 PMButBut with 4 new buses arriving it might cascade newer buses
mmm nowt there to cascade lol They need a solo evicting session for sure :rolleyes: 25 seats on the core interurban network especially at peak times isnt very inviting at all [thats if they turn up or manage to complete the journey with out breaking ]
I would be surprised at Evoras as they dont seem to like ful size stuff unless can sneek some optare badges on them haha :grin:
I see chaserider have cancelled the 62 and 63 from november 5th
Quote from: mranon on September 12, 2023, 04:21:15 PMI see chaserider have cancelled the 62 and 63 from november 5th
My assumption is to get put out to tender so they can have it to get paid to run them. They did the exact same thing with the 3
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on September 12, 2023, 09:39:35 PMMy assumption is to get put out to tender so they can have it to get paid to run them. They did the exact same thing with the 3
Lets hope it becomes a euro6 compliant tender to improve the unreliability of clapped out solos... one can dream i guess :azn:
Quote from: solonightrider on September 12, 2023, 09:58:07 PMLets hope it becomes a euro6 compliant tender to improve the unreliability of clapped out solos... one can dream i guess :azn:
Clearly not a daily user then and look at bus times once in a while. Solos don't run on the 62, only the 63 runs a solo. The 62 runs bigger sized buses
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on September 12, 2023, 09:39:35 PMMy assumption is to get put out to tender so they can have it to get paid to run them. They did the exact same thing with the 3
Did anyone else bid for the 3, besides Chaserider?
Would be interesting if someone else won the tender for these teo?
Would be interesting to see IF these routes get picked up other operator(s) I have 3 in mind but 2 of them are extreme wildcards but anything is possible
(1) Arriva.... Could it be possible to see them operating in Cannock again that would be quite odd to see
(2) Diamond.... Could it be also possible for them to start operating in Cannock, I could only assume if this did happen it would operate via the Burton depot
(3) Select.... Obviously this is the sister company to Chaserider so they are probably most plausible to pick these routes up but it is whether they would want them
Quote from: hlliwmai on September 12, 2023, 10:55:16 PMWould be interesting to see IF these routes get picked up other operator(s) I have 3 in mind but 2 of them are extreme wildcards but anything is possible
(1) Arriva.... Could it be possible to see them operating in Cannock again that would be quite odd to see
(2) Diamond.... Could it be also possible for them to start operating in Cannock, I could only assume if this did happen it would operate via the Burton depot
(3) Select.... Obviously this is the sister company to Chaserider so they are probably most plausible to pick these routes up but it is whether they would want them
Or Chaserider could twist the the councils arm into funding them then get given the tender.....
Quote from: Bob on September 12, 2023, 10:57:57 PMOr Chaserider could blavkmail the council into funding them then get given the tender.....
@Bob I'm sure this is in jest, though probably unwise to post. Libel and all that!
Quote from: Wumpty on September 13, 2023, 10:25:21 AM@Bob I'm sure this is in jest, though probably unwise to post. Libel and all that!
There you go..suitably modified
Quote from: hlliwmai on September 12, 2023, 10:55:16 PMWould be interesting to see IF these routes get picked up other operator(s) I have 3 in mind but 2 of them are extreme wildcards but anything is possible
(1) Arriva.... Could it be possible to see them operating in Cannock again that would be quite odd to see
(2) Diamond.... Could it be also possible for them to start operating in Cannock, I could only assume if this did happen it would operate via the Burton depot
(3) Select.... Obviously this is the sister company to Chaserider so they are probably most plausible to pick these routes up but it is whether they would want them
Do we still include Nx, as they could run positioning journeys on the X51, to get the buses concerned in the area?
Quote from: Westy on September 13, 2023, 05:44:39 PMDo we still include Nx, as they could run positioning journeys on the X51, to get the buses concerned in the area?
Suppose itd dspend if they'd want to even consider bidding for them. They have run into Rugeley in the past
Quote from: Bob on September 13, 2023, 07:02:44 PMSuppose itd dspend if they'd want to even consider bidding for them. They have run into Rugeley in the past
I think chaserider will get them back with funding
The 62 is already part subsidised.
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on September 12, 2023, 10:01:55 PMClearly not a daily user then and look at bus times once in a while. Solos don't run on the 62, only the 63 runs a solo. The 62 runs bigger sized buses
yes i use the 63, and yes its always a clapped out solo and plenty of times been left stranded thank you :-) so a better offering of reliability and vehicle choice would be the way forward for the travelling public who have to rely on this. so no sorry not a bus times.org occasional user im afraid, its real life experiences!!
Quote from: Bob on September 13, 2023, 07:02:44 PMSuppose itd dspend if they'd want to even consider bidding for them. They have run into Rugeley in the past
Quote from: Bob on September 13, 2023, 07:02:44 PMSuppose itd dspend if they'd want to even consider bidding for them. They have run into Rugeley in the past
NXWM still do a run out of Rugeley to Cardinal Griffin [ i think its called] in Cannock so could submit a tender to incorporate those journeys in to a 63 timetable, but guess only worth doing that on school days for them so probably wouldnt bother with it. Arriva in Tamworth have done that on a 110 journey am / pm to a local tamworth school. Alot of school routes seem to be going back to bus service type of operation again within the county.
Quote from: solonightrider on September 13, 2023, 09:35:30 PMyes i use the 63, and yes its always a clapped out solo and plenty of times been left stranded thank you :-) so a better offering of reliability and vehicle choice would be the way forward for the travelling public who have to rely on this. so no sorry not a bus times.org occasional user im afraid, its real life experiences!!
148s the latest regular on there, the littlest bus theyve got, on anhourly route,so it mustnt be busy these days
Quote from: Bob on September 13, 2023, 09:54:23 PM148s the latest regular on there, the littlest bus theyve got, on anhourly route,so it mustnt be busy these days
yes cascaded off the 60 normally 182 thats a right boneshaker too
Quote from: Bob on September 13, 2023, 09:54:23 PM148s the latest regular on there, the littlest bus theyve got, on anhourly route,so it mustnt be busy these days
Can't be too crowded or they wouldn't be cancelling it surely
Quote from: Capitalpotter on September 14, 2023, 07:52:37 AMCan't be too crowded or they wouldn't be cancelling it surely
Probably just want the council to fund em
Quote from: Bob on September 14, 2023, 10:32:31 AMProbably just want the council to fund em
More than likely.
Quote from: Capitalpotter on September 14, 2023, 06:57:03 PMMore than likely.
Second time theyve threatened withdrawal of the 62, maybe the council should offer the tender elsewhere
Quote from: Bob on September 14, 2023, 10:44:00 PMSecond time theyve threatened withdrawal of the 62, maybe the council should offer the tender elsewhere
Depends if anyone else wants togo for it. select seem busy sorting there new yard over in telford and theyve not long taken on 3 new routes.
Quote from: Craigkibbs on September 15, 2023, 10:08:56 AMDepends if anyone else wants togo for it. select seem busy sorting there new yard over in telford and theyve not long taken on 3 new routes.
Hopefully there will be
Quote from: hlliwmai on September 12, 2023, 10:55:16 PMWould be interesting to see IF these routes get picked up other operator(s) I have 3 in mind but 2 of them are extreme wildcards but anything is possible
(1) Arriva.... Could it be possible to see them operating in Cannock again that would be quite odd to see
(2) Diamond.... Could it be also possible for them to start operating in Cannock, I could only assume if this did happen it would operate via the Burton depot
(3) Select.... Obviously this is the sister company to Chaserider so they are probably most plausible to pick these routes up but it is whether they would want them
Just to point out again... select are NOT a sister company to Chaserider!
Quote from: ntw456 on September 15, 2023, 11:23:54 PMJust to point out again... select are NOT a sister company to Chaserider!
Considering that Julian Peddle has a majority share in Select and that both companies come under the Centrebus Group umbrella sure it is...
QuoteConsidering that Julian Peddle has a majority share in Select and that both companies come under the Centrebus Group umbrella sure it is...
Select isn't part of centrebus
Quote from: hlliwmai on September 16, 2023, 09:27:56 AMConsidering that Julian Peddle has a majority share in Select and that both companies come under the Centrebus Group umbrella sure it is...
How does Julian Peddle have a majority share in Select when Ben Brown owns 74% ?
Quote from: Hector on September 16, 2023, 12:31:50 PMHow does Julian Peddle have a majority share in Select when Ben Brown owns 74% ?
I'm only going by what I was told
Would it help if 62 was 1 bus working like on Saturday
Quote from: hlliwmai on September 16, 2023, 09:27:56 AMConsidering that Julian Peddle has a majority share in Select and that both companies come under the Centrebus Group umbrella sure it is...
Julian Peddle has a MINORITY stake in Select Bus, not a majority. He also had a minority stake in Midland Classic prior to its sale to Rotala. However Select is not part of Centrebus Group nor a sister company to Chaserider just as Midland Classic wasn't.
Quote from: hlliwmai on September 16, 2023, 12:39:08 PMI'm only going by what I was told
There's a lot of 'duff' information going around and being posted on this forum as 'facts'.
Is there anymore news on chaserider taking over the 19 bloxwich to walsall route?
Quote from: Craigkibbs on September 18, 2023, 06:17:18 PMIs there anymore news on chaserider taking over the 19 bloxwich to walsall route?
No. Details of new tenders have not been announced yet.
Quote from: Craigkibbs on September 18, 2023, 06:17:18 PMIs there anymore news on chaserider taking over the 19 bloxwich to walsall route?
Yes, they are having the route although it's not been announced as yet from when, I am aware that some drivers are out learning it this week in preparation.
Quote from: hlliwmai on September 19, 2023, 08:32:27 AMYes, they are having the route although it's not been announced as yet from when, I am aware that some drivers are out learning it this week in preparation.
It's from the tender win date!
Quote from: Tony on September 19, 2023, 08:40:11 AMIt's from the tender win date!
Yes but from what I've been told apparently no one in the traffic office at Chaserider seems to know when that is...
Quote from: hlliwmai on September 19, 2023, 08:51:42 AMYes but from what I've been told apparently no one in the traffic office at Chaserider seems to know when that is...
Ask breakdown bob
Quote from: karl724223 on September 19, 2023, 10:00:11 AMAsk breakdown bob
Youll know when theyve took over, when it starts having reliability issues 🤣🤣🤣
Quote from: Bob on September 19, 2023, 03:21:24 PMYoull know when theyve took over, when it starts having reliability issues 🤣🤣🤣
Well, everyone will start catching a combination of the 29 & 32 round that area probably, if they dont already do so, bearing in mind until the last few years, Nx was off the route.
Quote from: Bob on September 19, 2023, 03:21:24 PMYoull know when theyve took over, when it starts having reliability issues 🤣🤣🤣
I very very much doubt it NOT when there will be Euro 6 vehicles being used on the route
Quote from: hlliwmai on September 19, 2023, 06:39:44 PMI very very much doubt it NOT when there will be Euro 6 vehicles being used on the route
How reliable has the 35 / 36 been with Euro 6 vehicles then?
29th October the 19 starts in Walsall
https://www.chaserider.co.uk/assets/ck19_2023-10-29.pdf
Quote from: Westy on September 19, 2023, 07:19:07 PMHow reliable has the 35 / 36 been with Euro 6 vehicles then?
Truthfully not very those Centrebus Volvo Evolutions haven't been the most reliable of things since there arrival one of them I think it's 631 when it's parked up smokes a bit not massively though I know that drivers are defecting that issue but it is not being rectified I'm not 100% but I'm sure that a smoking vehicle is a PG9 (please someone do correct me if this is wrong)
Quote from: hlliwmai on September 19, 2023, 09:03:16 PMTruthfully not very those Centrebus Volvo Evolutions haven't been the most reliable of things since there arrival one of them I think it's 631 when it's parked up smokes a bit not massively though I know that drivers are defecting that issue but it is not being rectified I'm not 100% but I'm sure that a smoking vehicle is a PG9 (please someone do correct me if this is wrong)
Its probably AD-Blue issues and tbh them big volvos aint really ideal for that county lane route at all. We had volvo b8 euro6 plaxton coaches where i used to work and they had loads of AD blue issues smoke issues, pain in the bum. They Seemed better on a long run that pottering about stop start on local school and swim runs though.
Quote from: hlliwmai on September 19, 2023, 06:39:44 PMI very very much doubt it NOT when there will be Euro 6 vehicles being used on the route
While the maininterurban cannock and stafford network continues with clapped out end of life buses
What will the 19 be using enviro or solo solo sr
Quote from: Solo1 on September 20, 2023, 06:23:11 AMWhat will the 19 be using enviro or solo solo sr
Its euro 6 so......
Quote from: IMarkeh on September 19, 2023, 08:37:05 PM29th October the 19 starts in Walsall
https://www.chaserider.co.uk/assets/ck19_2023-10-29.pdf
So now they have a route from bloxwich to walsall funded do we think they could extend there current route 1 from Great Wyrley to bloxwich to join cannock back with walsall?
Quote from: Craigkibbs on September 20, 2023, 12:11:43 PMSo now they have a route from bloxwich to walsall funded do we think they could extend there current route 1 from Great Wyrley to bloxwich to join cannock back with walsall?
That would mean they needed several more euro 6 buses and I can't see anyone using a long convoluted route against the X51
Quote from: Tony on September 20, 2023, 12:22:08 PMThat would mean they needed several more euro 6 buses and I can't see anyone using a long convoluted route against the X51
If the bus is just used on the 1 then doesnt need to be euro 6 also journey times would be around the same time so gives the customer the option
Quote from: Craigkibbs on September 20, 2023, 01:27:12 PMIf the bus is just used on the 1 then doesnt need to be euro 6 also journey times would be around the same time so gives the customer the option
Of course it needs to be Euro 6 if it is coming into the West Midlands. It would be more than 1 bus as well. If you are extending the route from Great Wyrley to Bloxwich you couldn't do Huntington to Bloxwich with 1 bus.
How does going around Coalpool take the same time as going down Bloxwich Road
Quote from: Craigkibbs on September 20, 2023, 01:27:12 PMIf the bus is just used on the 1 then doesnt need to be euro 6 also journey times would be around the same time so gives the customer the option
They tried with the 1, and even being a quicker route it failed miserably against the X51. They didnt really try with it, loaded it with old Solos, suffered reliability issues and it flopped.
Quote from: Tony on September 20, 2023, 01:50:12 PMOf course it needs to be Euro 6 if it is coming into the West Midlands. It would be more than 1 bus as well. If you are extending the route from Great Wyrley to Bloxwich you couldn't do Huntington to Bloxwich with 1 bus.
How does going around Coalpool take the same time as going down Bloxwich Road
If you go cannock to bloxwich thats 20-25 and the 19 is 25 so thats about the same time as the x51
Quote from: Craigkibbs on September 20, 2023, 05:28:38 PMIf you go cannock to bloxwich thats 20-25 and the 19 is 25 so thats about the same time as the x51
Yeah...but if the 1 bombed...why would they even bother?
Quote from: Bob on September 20, 2023, 05:31:16 PMYeah...but if the 1 bombed...why would they even bother?
Was just thinking as they go as far as Holly lane which is 5-7 minutes away from bloxwich i do hear what your saying.
Quote from: Craigkibbs on September 20, 2023, 05:28:38 PMIf you go cannock to bloxwich thats 20-25 and the 19 is 25 so thats about the same time as the x51
And how many people go from Cannock to Bloxwich? almost no-one compared to Walsall
Quote from: Tony on September 20, 2023, 01:50:12 PMOf course it needs to be Euro 6 if it is coming into the West Midlands. It would be more than 1 bus as well. If you are extending the route from Great Wyrley to Bloxwich you couldn't do Huntington to Bloxwich with 1 bus.
How does going around Coalpool take the same time as going down Bloxwich Road
When will that ruling apply to the 70? It gets old tat most days
NXWM & Diamond have an exemption until 24th January. I don't know about Chaserider
Quote from: Solo1 on September 20, 2023, 06:23:11 AMWhat will the 19 be using enviro or solo solo sr
Whatever it stipulates in the contract. Arriva operated just about everything on it from Solos to ALX400 Dafs.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on September 20, 2023, 08:05:12 PMWhatever it stipulates in the contract. Arriva operated just about everything on it from Solos to ALX400 Dafs.
The days of the 19 going to Wolves with the ex London DLA'a were good. Since the route was cut it's just a run of the mill local service, horrible service now, same youths that catch the 29 catch the 19...
Quote from: Jack on September 20, 2023, 08:37:22 PMThe days of the 19 going to Wolves with the ex London DLA'a were good. Since the route was cut it's just a run of the mill local service, horrible service now, same youths that catch the 29 catch the 19...
Hmm.
Wonder if the youths will give the same 'attention' to the 19 they gave the 29?
Quote from: Westy on September 20, 2023, 10:26:29 PMHmm.
Wonder if the youths will give the same 'attention' to the 19 they gave the 29?
They already do, the last time I caught the 19 it was the same posse and lets say they wasn't the most nicest type to be on a bus with, considering the 19 serves more of the backstreets I'm surprised it's not suffered as bad as the 29!
Quote from: Jack on September 20, 2023, 11:02:09 PMThey already do, the last time I caught the 19 it was the same posse and lets say they wasn't the most nicest type to be on a bus with, considering the 19 serves more of the backstreets I'm surprised it's not suffered as bad as the 29!
I remember several years ago it got redirected down Beddows Road.
Lets say, for various reasons(& not to go off topic too much!), that didnt last long!
Quote from: Westy on September 21, 2023, 06:51:25 AMI remember several years ago it got redirected down Beddows Road.
Lets say, for various reasons(& not to go off topic too much!), that didnt last long!
It does still serve Beddows Road, the 19 has stops on there...
Quote from: Jack on September 21, 2023, 08:36:18 AMIt does still serve Beddows Road, the 19 has stops on there...
They're brave sending a bus down there.
My old mum says it was an area you never went down, & her side of the family used to live on Stafford Street!
There was a photo on FB yesterday of the first Volvo B8RLE/MCV Evora delivered in allover white parked up in Delta Way depot - registered BV73MJY, comments suggest these are for the 826/828, it has also arrived incorrectly with seat bealts fitted & will be returned to Volvo to have them removed after repaint.
The 3 ex Centrebus Volvo B8RLE/MCV Evolutions *may* also now be permanent transfers.
There's also thought to be 4 x E200MMC's due too.
Quote from: winston on September 21, 2023, 10:22:36 AMThere was a photo on FB yesterday of the first Volvo B8RLE/MCV Evora delivered in allover white parked up in Delta Way depot - registered BV73MJY, comments suggest these are for the 826/828, it has also arrived incorrectly with seat bealts fitted & will be returned to Volvo to have them removed after repaint.
The 3 ex Centrebus Volvo B8RLE/MCV Evolutions *may* also now be permanent transfers.
There's also thought to be 4 x E200MMC's due too.
@winston – There seems to be various rumours going round about what they are actually meant to be for some say 74/826/828 corridor; someone I was speaking too last night suggests they're going on the 60 and others are saying 19/35A/36 corridor I don't think anyone actually knows!
Quote from: hlliwmai on September 21, 2023, 10:33:19 AM@winston – There seems to be various rumours going round about what they are actually meant to be for some say 74/826/828 corridor; someone I was speaking too last night suggests they're going on the 60 and others are saying 19/35A/36 corridor I don't think anyone actually knows!
4 x Evora's isn't enough to fully convert the 826/828, let alone the 74 aswell. The 60 has a 4 Pvr by the looks of it.
Apparently they're to upgrade the 60 but the 1 that has been delivered is being painted then going back to Volvo to have the seat belts removed and the same will happen with the other 3
... are you all sure you're in the right thread talking about new vehicles? It is the Chaserider thread, you know.
Quote from: ellspurs on September 21, 2023, 02:36:11 PM... are you all sure you're in the right thread talking about new vehicles? It is the Chaserider thread, you know.
Bearing in mind what was written about them & Ad Blue recently, how long before they start breaking down?
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on September 21, 2023, 02:14:50 PMApparently they're to upgrade the 60 but the 1 that has been delivered is being painted then going back to Volvo to have the seat belts removed and the same will happen with the other 3
Thatd make sense. Bit then 4 of them with tbe other 3 if they stayed, would be almost enough to do 74/826/828
Quote from: Bob on September 22, 2023, 09:43:44 AMThatd make sense. Bit then 4 of them with tbe other 3 if they stayed, would be almost enough to do 74/826/828
The other thought is the 4 new MMC's coming are for the 36 network and the 4 new Evoras and the 3 Evolutions will upgrade the 74 network
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on September 22, 2023, 10:21:38 AMThe other thought is the 4 new MMC's coming are for the 36 network and the 4 new Evoras and the 3 Evolutions will upgrade the 74 network
Would 7 cover it? Wonder whatll happen to the 2 scanias n B7RLES ? Hopefullly some will gdt kept n tje solos get sacked off instead
Read a post on Facebook earlier that suggests 99 (YX11 CTV) and 22 (MM13 OCH) are transferring to D&G Bus on a permanent basis.
Quote from: hlliwmai on October 05, 2023, 02:00:44 PMRead a post on Facebook earlier that suggests 99 (YX11 CTV) and 22 (MM13 OCH) are transferring to D&G Bus on a permanent basis.
Well 505 has come over to Chaserider today and their PVR will be decreasing soon with the reduction in routes
Quote from: Capitalpotter on October 05, 2023, 05:58:33 PMWell 505 has come over to Chaserider today and their PVR will be decreasing soon with the reduction in routes
There are loosing 3 buses worth of work and gaining 2 for the 19 plus has the council actually decided if there going to fund the 62,63?
Quote from: Craigkibbs on October 05, 2023, 07:11:32 PMThere are loosing 3 buses worth of work and gaining 2 for the 19 plus has the council actually decided if there going to fund the 62,63?
They are. Select and Diamond both have put bids in for it. With the addition of 505, 22 have left and gone to D&G in return
Plus the 2 Evora's coming soon
I notice 641 MV73MJY is tracking on Bustimes, has anyone physically seen it ?
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on October 05, 2023, 08:43:43 PMThey are. Select and Diamond both have put bids in for it. With the addition of 505, 22 have left and gone to D&G in return
Has chaserider ? do we know when the tenders will get awarded
Is it Diamond East Midlands that have put the bid in or the WM operation?
Quote from: Westy on October 07, 2023, 04:22:48 PMIs it Diamond East Midlands that have put the bid in or the WM operation?
Well you would like to assume East Mids because if not that's some awful dead mileage from Tividale; I am led to believe the Tamworth outstation is closing shortly as the lease is coming up for renewal and they don't want to renew it just for 1 route to operate out of it which of current is the 76, unless if they have bid on these routes they do get them then they may renew the lease but of course this remains to be seen
Quote from: hlliwmai on October 07, 2023, 04:51:56 PMWell you would like to assume East Mids because if not that's some awful dead mileage from Tividale; I am led to believe the Tamworth outstation is closing shortly as the lease is coming up for renewal and they don't want to renew it just for 1 route to operate out of it which of current is the 76, unless if they have bid on these routes they do get them then they may renew the lease but of course this remains to be seen
Tamworth has the 20 too
Quote from: winston on October 07, 2023, 05:13:56 PMTamworth has the 20 too
oh yes of course I forgot about that one
Quote from: hlliwmai on October 07, 2023, 04:51:56 PMWell you would like to assume East Mids because if not that's some awful dead mileage from Tividale; I am led to believe the Tamworth outstation is closing shortly as the lease is coming up for renewal and they don't want to renew it just for 1 route to operate out of it which of current is the 76, unless if they have bid on these routes they do get them then they may renew the lease but of course this remains to be seen
The 20 was originally a Midland Classic route wasn't it? Guess the 20/76 could operate from Burton?
Quote from: 2206 on October 07, 2023, 07:56:25 PMThe 20 was originally a Midland Classic route wasn't it? Guess the 20/76 could operate from Burton?
Yes the 20 was a Midland Classic route.
Is there any news on the 62,63 yet?
Is there any news regarding the 62 and 63 that is due to be withdrawn beginning of november?
Quote from: Craigkibbs on October 17, 2023, 02:03:09 PMIs there any news regarding the 62 and 63 that is due to be withdrawn beginning of november?
Nothing yet unless anyone knows differently.
Where's Bob gone? I hope he's OK. He was so regular on this topic but hasn't been on for weeks.
If Bob ain't complaining then the Chaserider buses must be running alright without breakdowns at the moment!
(Love ya Bob)
640 is out for the first time
https://www.route-one.net/people/brian-campbell-retires-from-chaserider-after-55-year-bus-career/
Terrific service to the local bus industry
👏👏
Quote from: Craigkibbs on October 17, 2023, 02:03:09 PMIs there any news regarding the 62 and 63 that is due to be withdrawn beginning of november?
Nothing about the 63 but the 62 has a new timetable on the Chaserider website where the Saturday service will become hourly.
Quote from: twbc99 on October 25, 2023, 06:14:35 PMNothing about the 63 but the 62 has a new timetable on the Chaserider website where the Saturday service will become hourly.
63 is staying the same. Just the 62 is having an extra service on Saturdays to make it every hour
solo 182 will live on then... See the 74 /826/828 circuit slowly being downgraded to solos of late :angry:
Quote from: ellspurs on October 17, 2023, 06:27:40 PMIf Bob ain't complaining then the Chaserider buses must be running alright without breakdowns at the moment!
(Love ya Bob)
Strange he hasn't popped on, to reassure us though?
What buses are euro6?
Quote from: Craigkibbs on October 27, 2023, 06:56:13 PMWhat buses are euro6?
Anything newer than 2016 will be Euro6.
Looking at the fleet list, that'll be the E200MMCs, Metrocities, Evoras and the newer Evolutions.
There may be older vehicles that have been retrofitted to EU6 standard, but I wouldn't know which ones they are if any.
Quote from: Stu on October 27, 2023, 07:36:10 PMAnything newer than 2016 will be Euro6.
Looking at the fleet list, that'll be the E200MMCs, Metrocities, Evoras and the newer Evolutions.
There may be older vehicles that have been retrofitted to EU6 standard, but I wouldn't know which ones they are if any.
1,2, 64, 169, Telford Branded buses, 505, 506, 610, 640, 641 and 799
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on October 27, 2023, 10:12:48 PM1,2, 64, 169, Telford Branded buses, 505, 506, 610, 640, 641 and 799
505/6 mustve been upgraded to euro 6 then poss?
YAY BOB IS BACK!
Quote from: ellspurs on October 29, 2023, 04:51:02 PMYAY BOB IS BACK!
PRAISE THE LORD - THE SAVIOUR RETURNS!!!!!
Loves ya
@Bob - seriously, hope all is well!
Quote from: Bob on October 29, 2023, 04:34:29 PM505/6 mustve been upgraded to euro 6 then poss?
They were done when in Leicester I believe
Glad you're back, Bob!
Before it gets posted elsewhere 506 (YX13 EJC) became a victim to vandalism on the 19 this evening a window was smashed in Harden on the 17:05 journey ex Bloxwich. Chaserider have only been operating the route since Sunday it hasn't taken long for something to happen, well if vandalism is a regular occurrence then I can't see them keeping the route
Quote from: hlliwmai on October 31, 2023, 08:22:58 PMBefore it gets posted elsewhere 506 (YX13 EJC) became a victim to vandalism on the 19 this evening a window was smashed in Harden on the 17:05 journey ex Bloxwich. Chaserider have only been operating the route since Sunday it hasn't taken long for something to happen, well if vandalism is a regular occurrence then I can't see them keeping the route
Wonder if it's the same little buggers from Slacky Lane on Saturday?
Quote from: hlliwmai on October 31, 2023, 08:22:58 PMBefore it gets posted elsewhere 506 (YX13 EJC) became a victim to vandalism on the 19 this evening a window was smashed in Harden on the 17:05 journey ex Bloxwich. Chaserider have only been operating the route since Sunday it hasn't taken long for something to happen, well if vandalism is a regular occurrence then I can't see them keeping the route
My mate lives there, right dump, most of em by her are all benefit dossers never done a days work in their lives uuuurgh, her and her partner go mad about having to go to work to pay for them and their reprobate kids lol
Quote from: Bob on October 31, 2023, 10:13:18 PMMy mate lives there, right dump, most of em by her are all benefit dossers never done a days work in their lives uuuurgh, her and her partner go mad about having to go to work to pay for them and their reprobate kids lol
I agree and people will suffer IF Chaserider do in the long run choose to pull off the route if the vandalism continues and I wouldn't blame them if they do, the 19 should of gone to Diamond they've already operated it 3 or 4 (maybe more than that) times before so it wouldn't harm them operating it again and as said if Chaserider pull off they might well end up back on it under an emergency tender
Quote from: hlliwmai on October 31, 2023, 10:47:19 PMI agree and people will suffer IF Chaserider do in the long run choose to pull off the route if the vandalism continues and I wouldn't blame them if they do, the 19 should of gone to Diamond they've already operated it 3 or 4 (maybe more than that) times before so it wouldn't harm them operating it again and as said if Chaserider pull off they might well end up back on it under an emergency tender
It seems since 2010, most of the recognised bus companies in that area, have had at least one stint on the route!
Quote from: Westy on November 01, 2023, 07:02:47 AMIt seems since 2010, most of the recognised bus companies in that area, have had at least one stint on the route!
Prob pulled off when they weighed up the bill for windows lol
Quote from: hlliwmai on October 31, 2023, 10:47:19 PMI agree and people will suffer IF Chaserider do in the long run choose to pull off the route if the vandalism continues and I wouldn't blame them if they do, the 19 should of gone to Diamond they've already operated it 3 or 4 (maybe more than that) times before so it wouldn't harm them operating it again and as said if Chaserider pull off they might well end up back on it under an emergency tender
I don't think you understand how contract tenders work.
And it would have 'harmed them' if it had been one of their vehicles that was vandalised.
Pretty sure the 19 ran out of Hill Top for Arriva for a short period before Midland took it over when Arriva bought then out !
Ciach aid were preparing to tow a chaserider bus from cannock bus stn last night, SR Solo i think
New route 5 isnt tracking on bus times.
Quote from: Craigkibbs on November 06, 2023, 10:24:22 PMNew route 5 isnt tracking on bus times.
I don't believe the route and or duties are programmed into the ticket machines yet (I could be wrong) equally it could be a glitch with bus times; I'm not sure which one is correct, I am aware that yesterday they were running the route but tracking as rail replacement and I am led to believe that because the duties haven't/hadn't been programmed into the machine the driver was told he couldn't take any fares; I think they are a few teething problems at the moment
Looks like Chaserider will have another new livery in the style of the new Centrebus livery but with a red front and yellow stripe. No clue if it's branding which is a high possibility or what it'll be for
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on November 07, 2023, 07:58:50 PMLooks like Chaserider will have another new livery in the style of the new Centrebus livery but with a red front and yellow stripe. No clue if it's branding which is a high possibility or what it'll be for
guess it wont be for the 74/826/828 circuit only seems the oldest knacker allocation route, plenty of missing buses on the 826 again this week already.... This new livery looks rather nice better than the plain red i think start of a new image :-)
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on November 07, 2023, 07:58:50 PMLooks like Chaserider will have another new livery in the style of the new Centrebus livery but with a red front and yellow stripe. No clue if it's branding which is a high possibility or what it'll be for
On Another new B8 for the 60
Quote from: Bob on November 07, 2023, 08:53:33 PMOn Another new B8 for the 60
Not sure. Rumors are either 36 or 19 as they both have blue on the printed timetables for the buses
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on November 07, 2023, 10:10:08 PMNot sure. Rumors are either 36 or 19 as they both have blue on the printed timetables for the buses
Id heard 4 Evoras in total for 60. Originally 2x long 2x short but looks like 4 long ones coming
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on November 07, 2023, 07:58:50 PMLooks like Chaserider will have another new livery in the style of the new Centrebus livery but with a red front and yellow stripe. No clue if it's branding which is a high possibility or what it'll be for
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/930886892394795118/1171728804906020895/IMG_8888.jpg (https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/930886892394795118/1171728804906020895/IMG_8888.jpg?ex=655dbc7c&is=654b477c&hm=8282e30d98394555791e53b1d8c333bdf420187af7234ce6613d10dd3052bdd6&) (photo of it; obligatory not mine)
honestly looks like the current go northeast livery lol (go ahead staffordshire?)
Quote from: Bob on November 08, 2023, 06:07:39 AMId heard 4 Evoras in total for 60. Originally 2x long 2x short but looks like 4 long ones coming
And not for the 60
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on November 07, 2023, 10:10:08 PMNot sure. Rumors are either 36 or 19 as they both have blue on the printed timetables for the buses
both these routes aint really suitable for the larger vehicle type, 36 is really minibus / solo type territory and 19 should be a armoured tank :-) !! 74 826 828 routes are in desperate need for some up to date large capacity vehicles, running 15 to 17 year oldest sheds on ya prime routes aint a good image or good on reliability latley.
Quote from: solonightrider on November 08, 2023, 09:27:29 PMboth these routes aint really suitable for the larger vehicle type, 36 is really minibus / solo type territory and 19 should be a armoured tank :-) !! 74 826 828 routes are in desperate need for some up to date large capacity vehicles, running 15 to 17 year oldest sheds on ya prime routes aint a good image or good on reliability latley.
3 volvos on 74 826 828 never made it past early afternoon today lol
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on November 07, 2023, 10:10:08 PMNot sure. Rumors are either 36 or 19 as they both have blue on the printed timetables for the buses
They'd be mad to stick em on 19, it goes through reprobate riddled s#itholes lol
Quote from: Bob on November 08, 2023, 09:33:07 PMQuote from: Bob on November 08, 2023, 09:33:07 PM3 volvos on 74 826 828 never made it past early afternoon today lol
ya just carnt rely on them turning up of late, they can obviously afford to not worry about it though as its a rare occasion if owt decent turns up nowadays, A poxy tiny solo again earlier peak time whilst big 44 seaters plod the lanes carrying next to fresh air.
Quote from: solonightrider on November 08, 2023, 09:27:29 PMboth these routes aint really suitable for the larger vehicle type, 36 is really minibus / solo type territory and 19 should be a armoured tank :-) !! 74 826 828 (tel:74%20826%20828) routes are in desperate need for some up to date large capacity vehicles, running 15 to 17 year oldest sheds on ya prime routes aint a good image or good on reliability latley.
An armoured tank that's about accurate for the 19 along with smash proof windows/doors etc
Before it gets posted elsewhere 1 (YX65 RWK) is the second bus within a week that has become a victim to vandalism on the 19 this evening a window was smashed in Harden (yet again!) on the 18:10 journey ex Bloxwich. I said it last week when I posted about 506 being targeted on Halloween I can't see Chaserider wanting to keep the route if this sort of thing is going to keep happening I know people will say it's common round that area but that is besides the point.
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 09, 2023, 08:45:47 PMBefore it gets posted elsewhere 1 (YX65 RWK) is the second bus within a week that has become a victim to vandalism on the 19 this evening a window was smashed in Harden (yet again!) on the 18:10 journey ex Bloxwich. I said it last week when I posted about 506 being targeted on Halloween I can't see Chaserider wanting to keep the route if this sort of thing is going to keep happening I know people will say it's common round that area but that is besides the point.
Bet theres some great parentimg gping on round there jesus
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 09, 2023, 08:45:47 PMBefore it gets posted elsewhere 1 (YX65 RWK) is the second bus within a week that has become a victim to vandalism on the 19 this evening a window was smashed in Harden (yet again!) on the 18:10 journey ex Bloxwich. I said it last week when I posted about 506 being targeted on Halloween I can't see Chaserider wanting to keep the route if this sort of thing is going to keep happening I know people will say it's common round that area but that is besides the point.
meanwhile on the busy 74 circuits is the oldest & smallest unreliable junk they can find...... I guess they have shafted themselfs in to a 3 year? contract with the 19,who ever tenders for the work probably has no idea what the areas are like.
As I've said before in the NX thread about this, the bus companies need to just refuse to serve the estate after dusk. Doesn't seem to be any point in getting a police escort as they don't appear to be able to do something. They probably need a curfew over there.
Quote from: ellspurs on November 09, 2023, 09:23:11 PMAs I've said before in the NX thread about this, the bus companies need to just refuse to serve the estate after dusk. Doesn't seem to be any point in getting a police escort as they don't appear to be able to do something. They probably need a curfew over there.
I agree 100% something needs to happen before someone whether it be a passenger or a driver are seriously injured/assaulted
Why dont you post it on the other thread & keep all the vandalism stuff in one place?
Briefly mention on here certainly.
Quote from: Craigkibbs on November 06, 2023, 10:24:22 PMNew route 5 isnt tracking on bus times.
Now tracking. 506 on there tonight. Looks like the evening service comes off the 19 service.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on November 09, 2023, 09:57:28 PMNow tracking. 506 on there tonight. Looks like the evening service comes off the 19 service.
So it is subject to whether the happy citizens on the 19 route haven't bricked the bus or not!
Quote from: ellspurs on November 09, 2023, 10:04:01 PMSo it is subject to whether the happy citizens on the 19 route haven't bricked the bus or not!
Yeah that's pretty much spot on tbh and from what I have been told either TfWM/Staffs CC whoever the contract is under have apparently told Chaserider that they cannot use any other buses on the 5 other than 505 or 506 but as you quite rightly state
@ellspurs using either of those buses on the 5 depends on whether the little scrotes decide whether they want to vandalise them or not as I stated on a previous post something needs to happen before it's too late
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 09, 2023, 10:10:58 PMYeah that's pretty much spot on tbh and from what I have been told either TfWM/Staffs CC whoever the contract is under have apparently told Chaserider that they cannot use any other buses on the 5 other than 505 or 506 but as you quite rightly state @ellspurs using either of those buses on the 5 depends on whether the little scrotes decide whether they want to vandalise them or not as I stated on a previous post something needs to happen before it's too late
What is so good about 505/506 which means they must be used? I've heard of contracts having emissions, vehicle age and seating capacity requirements but never heard 'you must use one of these two buses', that's a very strange rule and there has to be more to it.
Could it be more of a case of Euro VI requirement, which would mean the MMCs are ok too
Quote from: the trainbasher on November 10, 2023, 01:38:08 AMCould it be more of a case of Euro VI requirement, which would mean the MMCs are ok too
apparently not from what I hear a driver that was doing the 5 duty the other evening said he asked the traffic office if he could take a another Euro 6 bus and was told in so many words NO! it HAS to be the bus off the 19 which is most cases is either 505/6 and I'm told he did ask well if push comes to shove I could take a Telford bus to which the Chaserider depot manager intervened and said that "under no circumstances must a Telford bus be used on there"....... It makes you wonder if Chaserider would know how to organise a pee up in a brewery....
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 10, 2023, 09:21:48 AMapparently not from what I hear a driver that was doing the 5 duty the other evening said he asked the traffic office if he could take a another Euro 6 bus and was told in so many words NO! it HAS to be the bus off the 19 which is most cases is either 505/6 and I'm told he did ask well if push comes to shove I could take a Telford bus to which the Chaserider depot manager intervened and said that "under no circumstances must a Telford bus be used on there"....... It makes you wonder if Chaserider would know how to organise a pee up in a brewery....
Could the contact have stated a certain type of bus that can only be used?
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on November 10, 2023, 09:38:55 AMCould the contact have stated a certain type of bus that can only be used?
The only thing ever mentioned in tenders is vehicle size and euro rating
Quote from: Tony on November 10, 2023, 11:03:54 AMThe only thing ever mentioned in tenders is vehicle size and euro rating
Absolutely true. In the case of Chaserider, they could take a bus used on another route but that's up to the depot manager. Stating that a particular bus or buses are specified in a tender is nonsense. Tenders are a legal document and having to submit an amendment every time a vehicle specified in the document is withdrawn would be crazy.
has something happened on 19 again
Quote from: Craigkibbs on November 10, 2023, 07:20:05 PMhas something happened on 19 again
Yep 505 has had its window put through
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on November 10, 2023, 07:28:35 PMYep 505 has had its window put through
Theres gonna be nothing euro 6 left by the end of next week at this rate
Quote from: EK40 on November 10, 2023, 08:43:25 PMTheres gonna be nothing euro 6 left by the end of next week at this rate
It's only a window.
Quote from: Tony on November 10, 2023, 08:56:56 PMIt's only a window.
It may only be a window but thats now 2 buses off the road.
Quote from: Craigkibbs on November 10, 2023, 09:15:04 PMIt may only be a window but thats now 2 buses off the road.
No, only one reported broken tonight
Quote from: Tony on November 10, 2023, 09:32:51 PMNo, only one reported broken tonight
Did bus number 1 not get a broken window yesterday?
Quote from: EK40 on November 10, 2023, 08:43:25 PMTheres gonna be nothing euro 6 left by the end of next week at this rate
Well a Solo SR replaced the E200 on 19 so they must be getting desperate 😄
I dont know why they specify decent ish buses in the tender for the 19. They could run a smoking National round there and it wouldnt matter, the kids are probably breathing in their mums crackpipe fumes anyway
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 10, 2023, 09:21:48 AMapparently not from what I hear a driver that was doing the 5 duty the other evening said he asked the traffic office if he could take a another Euro 6 bus and was told in so many words NO! it HAS to be the bus off the 19 which is most cases is either 505/6 and I'm told he did ask well if push comes to shove I could take a Telford bus to which the Chaserider depot manager intervened and said that "under no circumstances must a Telford bus be used on there"....... It makes you wonder if Chaserider would know how to organise a pee up in a brewery....
i would presume its because its got the telford branding on the vehicle so probably not put on there for that reason, Wonder if the new liveried evoras will end up on the 19..... investment in vehicles is needed on the interurban network 74/826/828 is mega unreliable of late with failing old knackers daily. Has there been a managment change at Cannock recently certain routes to be going to pot.
Quote from: Bob on November 10, 2023, 09:41:10 PMWell a Solo SR replaced the E200 on 19 so they must be getting desperate 😄
must be to use a knackered interurban spec motor on a back street job lol
Quote from: Craigkibbs on November 10, 2023, 09:36:48 PMDid bus number 1 not get a broken window yesterday?
It takes about 30 min to replace a window, why would that be out of service
Quote from: Tony on November 10, 2023, 09:32:51 PMNo, only one reported broken tonight
yes and one broken last night
Quote from: Tony on November 11, 2023, 08:36:47 AMWindows do get reapired
correct but it still costs Chaserider money
Quote from: Bob on November 10, 2023, 09:43:51 PMI dont know why they specify decent ish buses in the tender for the 19. They could run a smoking National round there and it wouldnt matter, the kids are probably breathing in their mums crackpipe fumes anyway
They (TfWM) don't specify 'decent-ish' buses, just vehicles that meet Euro 6 emissions standards.
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 11, 2023, 08:47:31 AMcorrect but it still costs Chaserider money
But that's why bus companies take out insurance policies.
I doubt they would claim on the insurance due to excess
Quote from: Stu on November 11, 2023, 09:19:38 AMThey (TfWM) don't specify 'decent-ish' buses, just vehicles that meet Euro 6 emissions standards.
But that's why bus companies take out insurance policies.
Well they didnt meet them standards with putting 168 on there yesterday then lol
Quote from: Mayfield on November 11, 2023, 09:25:45 AMI doubt they would claim on the insurance due to excess
Exactly
Quote from: Tony on November 10, 2023, 10:17:50 PMIt takes about 30 min to replace a window, why would that be out of service
The incident took place of the 18:10 into Walsall the last 19 to Blakenall was dropped
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 11, 2023, 11:46:45 AMThe incident took place of the 18:10 into Walsall the last 19 to Blakenall was dropped
My comment was about the number of buses out of service, which should only be 1 as the previous days' should have been fixed
Quote from: Bob on November 11, 2023, 10:42:02 AMWell they didnt meet them standards with putting 168 on there yesterday then lol
It was an emergency cover. I'm sure Tony could clarify this but there is presumably a clause permitting a substitute vehicle to be used which is non-compliant in an emergency. Unless there wasn't any alternative, they would not be able to use the likes of 168 on a regular basis.
Was 187 left in Cannock Bus Stn overnight Sat to Sun does anyome know? I drove past on Sat and it was parked on the 63 stand looking pretty deas and was there Sun as well insame spot
Quote from: IMarkeh on November 10, 2023, 01:25:13 AMWhat is so good about 505/506 which means they must be used? I've heard of contracts having emissions, vehicle age and seating capacity requirements but never heard 'you must use one of these two buses', that's a very strange rule and there has to be more to it.
well its had a 73 plate evora , one off the orange MCV Volvos & also the 2 door streelamp on so carnt be just only 505/506 allowed
Quote from: Bob on November 13, 2023, 07:12:12 PMWas 187 left in Cannock Bus Stn overnight Sat to Sun does anyome know? I drove past on Sat and it was parked on the 63 stand looking pretty deas and was there Sun as well insame spot
a 'good' day for the 74 826 828 circuit again today with its allocation of the oldest knackers possibe :-)
Quote from: solonightrider on November 13, 2023, 07:15:21 PMa 'good' day for the 74 826 828 circuit again today with its allocation of the oldest knackers possibe :-)
Yeah few knackers gave up today on there day they 🤣
Quote from: Bob on November 13, 2023, 08:03:44 PMYeah few knackers gave up today on there day they 🤣
its become the scrap bus route. Quite hard to beleive tbh as i would think its one of the busier set of workings too. They obviously not interested in it at all, its gone reet down the pan in the last few months.
Quote from: solonightrider on November 13, 2023, 09:26:02 PMits become the scrap bus route. Quite hard to beleive tbh as i would think its one of the busier set of workings too. They obviously not interested in it at all, its gone reet down the pan in the last few months.
You talk some absolute tosh. So you think Chaserider aren't interested in making money. You need to either bang your head with Bob or at least give it a wobble. It's not the age of the buses it's how they're looked after
Quote from: Capitalpotter on November 14, 2023, 10:03:13 AMYou talk some absolute tosh. So you think Chaserider aren't interested in making money. You need to either bang your head with Bob or at least give it a wobble. It's not the age of the buses it's how they're looked after
Agreed. Gotta remember the stuff they need for the 74's are ex arriva and they didn't look after them like they should of
Quote from: Capitalpotter on November 14, 2023, 10:03:13 AMYou talk some absolute tosh. So you think Chaserider aren't interested in making money. You need to either bang your head with Bob or at least give it a wobble. It's not the age of the buses it's how they're looked after
lol mmm really..... try using the 826 828 and relying on it then,,,, out of the last 10 or so times i have 'treid' to use the service its been 7 no shows, magically dissaperaing buses in reality too, so yes are correct its the way they are looked after that makes this service rather unreliable then ???? One of the old red knacker volvos has a right loud rattling off the suspension / wheels area it sounds horrendous and its been like it for months. Another experience was on way to stafford in one old red volvo which mid run was lifted off service and we was all hurded on to a tiny solo which in turn didnt have enough seats for the load at the time, then to continue to stafford stuck in 3rd gear screming it tatties off at about 30mph stinking of oil, once it made it to stafford the next 74 to cannock was dropped !! As i say some investment is required on this line of route too. Surley this should be ringing alarm bells with the TM / licence holder and some sort of rectification plan put in to action as its compliance issues. I will let you sit there and bang or wobble your own head on this one.
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on November 14, 2023, 08:47:56 PMAgreed. Gotta remember the stuff they need for the 74's are ex arriva and they didn't look after them like they shou
Guess they are the only things 'allowed' on there now then. How did Arriva not look after them ? Most of the old Volvos look in a unkept state now too especially that old white one its megga tatty. Shame how its declined
Quote from: solonightrider on November 14, 2023, 09:20:40 PMlol mmm really..... try using the 826 828 and relying on it then,,,, out of the last 10 or so times i have 'treid' to use the service its been 7 no shows, magically dissaperaing buses in reality too, so yes are correct its the way they are looked after that makes this service rather unreliable then ???? One of the old red knacker volvos has a right loud rattling off the suspension / wheels area it sounds horrendous and its been like it for months. Another experience was on way to stafford in one old red volvo which mid run was lifted off service and we was all hurded on to a tiny solo which in turn didnt have enough seats for the load at the time, then to continue to stafford stuck in 3rd gear screming it tatties off at about 30mph stinking of oil, once it made it to stafford the next 74 to cannock was dropped !! As i say some investment is required on this line of route too. Surley this should be ringing alarm bells with the TM / licence holder and some sort of rectification plan put in to action as its compliance issues. I will let you sit there and bang or wobble your own head on this one.
Train to be a mechanic or go buy a car
Quote from: Capitalpotter on November 14, 2023, 10:32:50 PMTrain to be a mechanic or go buy a car
classic reply as expected! easy to shout down & be rude like aint it, No point buying a car as i dont drive hence having to use public transport. Sorry my chaserider experience dont match your opinion off them. each to their own and all that. Too much to expect a timetabled service to actually turn up around when its scheduled to obviously, one or 2 issues/hiccups expected now and then nothing in life is perfect but not regular occurance.
Quote from: Capitalpotter on November 14, 2023, 10:32:50 PMTrain to be a mechanic or go buy a car
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Constructive and insightful
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on November 14, 2023, 08:47:56 PMAgreed. Gotta remember the stuff they need for the 74's are ex arriva and they didn't look after them like they should of
It's been nearly 3 yrs since Arriva owned them , surely they have had enough time to get the retained fleet purchased right !
Quote from: solonightrider on November 14, 2023, 11:20:10 PMclassic reply as expected! easy to shout down & be rude like aint it, No point buying a car as i dont drive hence having to use public transport. Sorry my chaserider experience dont match your opinion off them. each to their own and all that. Too much to expect a timetabled service to actually turn up around when its scheduled to obviously, one or 2 issues/hiccups expected now and then nothing in life is perfect but not regular occurance.
Im rude. How about all the Chaserider staff you slag off daily?
Quote from: Bob on November 15, 2023, 05:54:21 AM🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Constructive and insightful
Wow. Pot, kettle. You're hardly constructive Bob. You sit on bustimes waiting for a breakdown so you can report on it and then put a lol or laughing emoji at the end as if you think that will give you licence to carry on slating
Quote from: Capitalpotter on November 15, 2023, 06:46:18 AMWow. Pot, kettle. You're hardly constructive Bob. You sit on bustimes waiting for a breakdown so you can report on it and then put a lol or laughing emoji at the end as if you think that will give you licence to carry on slating
Touche 😜
Nah on a serious note though, when you say its not the age of the buses etc its how theyre looked after? So its bad maintanence then?
I think the point solonightrider was making sort of was that the 74/826 828 are poss their busiest trunk routes and that if they cant operate them reliably on a daily basis ( i just mean breakdowns obv not traffic issues that cant be helped) cos of the condition of the buses used, then its quite a bad situation etc
Quote from: Bob on November 15, 2023, 11:01:23 AMTouche 😜
Nah on a serious note though, when you say its not the age of the buses etc its how theyre looked after? So its bad maintanence then?
I think the point solonightrider was making sort of was that the 74/826 828 are poss their busiest trunk routes and that if they cant operate them reliably on a daily basis ( i just mean breakdowns obv not traffic issues that cant be helped) cos of the condition of the buses used, then its quite a bad situation etc
Chaseriders fleet is a mixed bag as is selects. Select don't seem to have as many problems so I'd assume it's down to not enough maintenance persons not the age of buses. My gripe wasnt about the amount of breakdowns but he stated Chaserider aren't interested in making money. That's absolute BS
Quote from: Wumpty on August 09, 2023, 10:29:21 AMIn most businesses, there's a ratio of people required against the function required. In this case, you need X number of mechanics to service a fleet of Y buses, taking into account preventative maintenance (not yet @Bob :wink:), ancillary tasks like refurbs, general adhoc maintenance and breakdowns as they happen (and prioritised based on the severity of the breakdown/vehicle type requirement).
Now, I don't know how many engineering staff they employ, though on logic, it would appear that a slightly smaller fleet like Select is maintained with the right ratio of engineers, coupled with a well maintained fleet (regardless of fleet age).
One can only surmise that either the ratio of engineers to fleet and the required maintenance is wrong, or that they inherit a poison chalice of buses that they don't stand a chance of maintaining with their inherent issues. I would like to err on the side of the latter as there are some very talented engineers at Centrebus Group, Chaserider included, and I don't see any of the buses being driven harshly or outside of normal operating parameters.
I get what @Westy is saying, though I don't think anything sinister is afoot - I think it's a combination of all the above factors.
Reading
@solonightrider @Capitalpotter @Bob and many other posts, the quoted text above was my response the last time this subject became fractious.
I do not believe for a minute that Chaserider or Centrebus aren't interested in making money - they are both businesses dependant upon the success of the routes and the fare paying public that use them.
Granted, some of their fleet do leave a lot to be desired and I completely understand the frustration borne from breakdowns, missed services and the irregular running that actual passengers are subjected to. Just the mere appearance of some of the fleet would give rise for concern, though it's the mechanical unreliability that sticks in the craw.
I've worked in the bus industry for some great companies (the early days of Midland Choice and London bus companies) and I've worked for some utter showers (City Buslines), though each started out wanting to make money and a difference. The stark reality is that unless you have the knowledge, the staff and working capital to launch the company to ensure it is positioned with the correct fleet, correct maintenance team and planning, and understanding of your target demographic, then with any one of those missing, you will be hard pressed to succeed.
As I've said before, Arriva had reached the point where its Cannock/Stafford operations did not fit their business plan and they decided to leave the area. Chaserider, with the best of intentions and some very sound business minds, thought that they could make a success of it and, largely, they have and have had to make exceptionally difficult choices along the way (curtail routes, use an aging fleet etc) in a sparsely populated area like mid/south Staffordshire. Talking to a senior member of their management team last week, they are still committed to Cannock and Stafford, even in the face of criticism from passengers, politicians and, believe it or not, forums like these who constantly criticise their best efforts.
We MUST remember that Chaserider HAVE put their money where their mouth is. Diamond, NX and a host of others haven't for their own reasons, which I'm sure we could all speculate about.
To those that feel that Chaserider are not providing the service they advertise/you feel they should, please contact them directly. If you have no luck there, then contact Bus Users UK.
If you appreciate that they are doing their level best under very tight financial constraints, with very little CapEx to spend on brand new buses, brand new maintenance facilities and and tightly monitored salary budgets, thank them for what they ARE doing.
Failing that, YOU start a bus company with the buses YOU think should be run, with the staff YOU think should be employed and come back to me in 3 months and tell me you have no regrets, stress or sleepless nights.
Trust me, the alternative of absolutely NO bus services in Cannock and, connections to Stafford, would give us all more to be gravely concerned about.
Commander 187 is on the 36 this afternoon.
Quote from: Wumpty on November 16, 2023, 11:34:10 AMReading @solonightrider @Capitalpotter @Bob and many other posts, the quoted text above was my response the last time this subject became fractious.
I do not believe for a minute that Chaserider or Centrebus aren't interested in making money - they are both businesses dependant upon the success of the routes and the fare paying public that use them.
Granted, some of their fleet do leave a lot to be desired and I completely understand the frustration borne from breakdowns, missed services and the irregular running that actual passengers are subjected to. Just the mere appearance of some of the fleet would give rise for concern, though it's the mechanical unreliability that sticks in the craw.
I've worked in the bus industry for some great companies (the early days of Midland Choice and London bus companies) and I've worked for some utter showers (City Buslines), though each started out wanting to make money and a difference. The stark reality is that unless you have the knowledge, the staff and working capital to launch the company to ensure it is positioned with the correct fleet, correct maintenance team and planning, and understanding of your target demographic, then with any one of those missing, you will be hard pressed to succeed.
As I've said before, Arriva had reached the point where its Cannock/Stafford operations did not fit their business plan and they decided to leave the area. Chaserider, with the best of intentions and some very sound business minds, thought that they could make a success of it and, largely, they have and have had to make exceptionally difficult choices along the way (curtail routes, use an aging fleet etc) in a sparsely populated area like mid/south Staffordshire. Talking to a senior member of their management team last week, they are still committed to Cannock and Stafford, even in the face of criticism from passengers, politicians and, believe it or not, forums like these who constantly criticise their best efforts.
We MUST remember that Chaserider HAVE put their money where their mouth is. Diamond, NX and a host of others haven't for their own reasons, which I'm sure we could all speculate about.
To those that feel that Chaserider are not providing the service they advertise/you feel they should, please contact them directly. If you have no luck there, then contact Bus Users UK.
If you appreciate that they are doing their level best under very tight financial constraints, with very little CapEx to spend on brand new buses, brand new maintenance facilities and and tightly monitored salary budgets, thank them for what they ARE doing.
Failing that, YOU start a bus company with the buses YOU think should be run, with the staff YOU think should be employed and come back to me in 3 months and tell me you have no regrets, stress or sleepless nights.
Trust me, the alternative of absolutely NO bus services in Cannock and, connections to Stafford, would give us all more to be gravely concerned about.
If all the breakdowns & subsequent missing journies posted on here are actually correct, you can't run infrequent services like that for a prolonged period of time & still expect people to use them. They need to be reliable when only running on hourly frequencies. Chaserider have had more than enough time since acquiring Cannock to get their house in order & get to the bottom of where the problems lie, thus reducing the number of breakdowns / missing journeys. You can still run an elderly fleet if well maintained, many operators manage it. If what's posted on here is correct, it's surprising that the TC hasn't got involved.
Whilst Chaserider have acquired a number of nearly new vehicles / transferred more modern ones in, most have only come because the contracts dictate such as 6 x Telford Travel E200MMC's, 3 x ex Centrebus Volvo B8RLE / MCV Evolutions. 2 x E200's 505 & 506 for TfWM 19 & 5 contracts.
Only the latest 4 x Volvo B8RLE / MCV EvoRa's (638-641) will actually replace some of the existing fleet once all in serice, which is most welcome & they look pretty smart.
Quote from: winston on November 16, 2023, 03:40:10 PMIf all the breakdowns & subsequent missing journies posted on here are actually correct, you can't run infrequent services like that for a prolonged period of time & still expect people to use them. They need to be reliable when only running on hourly frequencies. Chaserider have had more than enough time since acquiring Cannock to get their house in order & get to the bottom of where the problems lie, thus reducing the number of breakdowns / missing journeys. You can still run an elderly fleet if well maintained, many operators manage it. If what's posted on here is correct, it's surprising that the TC hasn't got involved.
Whilst Chaserider have acquired a number of nearly new vehicles / transferred more modern ones in, most have only come because the contracts dictate such as 6 x Telford Travel E200MMC's, 3 x ex Centrebus Volvo B8RLE / MCV Evolutions. 2 x E200's 505 & 506 for TfWM 19 & 5 contracts.
Only the latest 4 x Volvo B8RLE / MCV EvoRa's (638-641) will actually replace some of the existing fleet once all in serice, which is most welcome & they look pretty smart.
And that's the $64,000 question - are all of the breakdowns on here actually correct and reflective of the supposed poor service.
I don't recall seeing any concerns in the monthly TC updates, not anything in the trade press.
I'm sure if things were *that* bad that the TC would be atop of things.
Quote from: Capitalpotter on November 15, 2023, 06:44:17 AMIm rude. How about all the Chaserider staff you slag off daily?
slag off daily ? i merely pointed out a fact of unreliable old buses going missing off timetabled runs i have been trying to use so if thats slagging off staff then think what you like. I am a paying customer at the end of the day. If the vehicles go missing in action then they aint taking/making any money. The staff can only work with the tools they are supplied with.
Quote from: Wumpty on November 16, 2023, 09:39:57 PMAnd that's the $64,000 question - are all of the breakdowns on here actually correct and reflective of the supposed poor service.
I don't recall seeing any concerns in the monthly TC updates, not anything in the trade press.
I'm sure if things were *that* bad that the TC would be atop of things.
we get one bus per hour thats is it so when they dont turn up its a 2 hour gap in service. Not good when going to / from work.
Quote from: winston on November 16, 2023, 03:40:10 PMIf all the breakdowns & subsequent missing journies posted on here are actually correct, you can't run infrequent services like that for a prolonged period of time & still expect people to use them. They need to be reliable when only running on hourly frequencies. Chaserider have had more than enough time since acquiring Cannock to get their house in order & get to the bottom of where the problems lie, thus reducing the number of breakdowns / missing journeys. You can still run an elderly fleet if well maintained, many operators manage it. If what's posted on here is correct, it's surprising that the TC hasn't got involved.
Whilst Chaserider have acquired a number of nearly new vehicles / transferred more modern ones in, most have only come because the contracts dictate such as 6 x Telford Travel E200MMC's, 3 x ex Centrebus Volvo B8RLE / MCV Evolutions. 2 x E200's 505 & 506 for TfWM 19 & 5 contracts.
Only the latest 4 x Volvo B8RLE / MCV EvoRa's (638-641) will actually replace some of the existing fleet once all in serice, which is most welcome & they look pretty smart.
Exactly. An 828 or 826 or 62 /70 etc missing is,a two hour gap, its not like say a 51 or 529 missing, and people are left stranded for an hour. Saw the red e200 MMC this afternoon which had apparently been on the 1 all day till 220 pm, it was broke down in the bus stop at Wildwood in Stafford with the engine cover up. Not sure what it was doing there but presumably was heafing to Stafford to go onto another route.
Quote from: Wumpty on November 16, 2023, 09:39:57 PMAnd that's the $64,000 question - are all of the breakdowns on here actually correct and reflective of the supposed poor service.
I don't recall seeing any concerns in the monthly TC updates, not anything in the trade press.
I'm sure if things were *that* bad that the TC would be atop of things.
I can vouch for gaps of two hours on the 70 on several occadions as i used it with it going through my estate, also broke down on m6 island on 162 on it wolves bound. The bus got started again thrn limpedto wolves and broje down again at the inbound syop. I think it got towed back. Regular gaps of that lomg on hourly services arent sonething anyone should be "thanking" them for
Quote from: Bob on November 16, 2023, 10:37:38 PMI can vouch for gaps of two hours on the 70 on several occadions as i used it with it going through my estate, also broke down on m6 island on 162 on it wolves bound. The bus got started again thrn limpedto wolves and broje down again at the inbound syop. I think it got towed back. Regular gaps of that lomg on hourly services arent sonething anyone should be "thanking" them for
Where did I say "thank them" for the service you believe falls under what is expected
@Bob ????
I'll wait..................
Quote from: Bob on November 16, 2023, 10:33:55 PMExactly. An 828 or 826 or 62 /70 etc missing is,a two hour gap, its not like say a 51 or 529 missing, and people are left stranded for an hour. Saw the red e200 MMC this afternoon which had apparently been on the 1 all day till 220 pm, it was broke down in the bus stop at Wildwood in Stafford with the engine cover up. Not sure what it was doing there but presumably was heafing to Stafford to go onto another route.
1 should of done a school service out of stafford. It does the 1 until 3. Goes up to stafford for a school service then does the A51
Quote from: Wumpty on November 16, 2023, 09:39:57 PMAnd that's the $64,000 question - are all of the breakdowns on here actually correct and reflective of the supposed poor service.
I don't recall seeing any concerns in the monthly TC updates, not anything in the trade press.
I'm sure if things were *that* bad that the TC would be atop of things.
If it was that bad wouldn't the local councillors be jumping all over this in the press so as to get there photo in the local papers
Quote from: karl724223 on November 17, 2023, 10:05:43 AMIf it was that bad wouldn't the local councillors be jumping all over this in the press so as to get there photo in the local papers
Too true
@karl724223 too many armchair spotters that's the problem!
Quote from: karl724223 on November 17, 2023, 10:05:43 AMIf it was that bad wouldn't the local councillors be jumping all over this in the press so as to get there photo in the local papers
My point entirely Karl, hence why I've offered the armchair spotters an opportunity to make their representations via the correct channels.
Oh yes, and to put up and run a bus company, or pipe down!
Chuffin ALFs everywhere!!!
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on November 17, 2023, 08:51:45 AM1 should of done a school service out of stafford. It does the 1 until 3. Goes up to stafford for a school service then does the A51
Doesnt look like it made it lol
Quote from: Wumpty on November 17, 2023, 07:40:02 AMWhere did I say "thank them" for the service you believe falls under what is expected @Bob ????
I'll wait..................
Paragraph 8 to be precise.....
Quote from: Bob on November 17, 2023, 01:44:18 PMParagraph 8 to be precise.....
QUOTE EX PARAGRAPH 8: If you appreciate that they are doing their level best under very tight financial constraints, with very little CapEx to spend on brand new buses, brand new maintenance facilities and and tightly monitored salary budgets, thank them for what they ARE doing.No it doesn't.
Quote from: Wumpty on November 17, 2023, 03:07:06 PMQUOTE EX PARAGRAPH 8: If you appreciate that they are doing their level best under very tight financial constraints, with very little CapEx to spend on brand new buses, brand new maintenance facilities and and tightly monitored salary budgets, thank them for what they ARE doing.
No it doesn't.
Thank them for what they are doing? Oh did you not mean thank them then?
Heres an example of how abysmal they are. I live in longford estate. Went to catch the 230 no 70 that left wton 145pm. It hasnt run, cos its yet another breakdown on an hourly service. It shouldve left cannock for wolves around 250pm. People are still waiting. At best, unless they pull something off pye greens or something therell be a 2hr gap cannock to wolves. The 330 doesnt go through longford, so thatll be a gap of THREE HOURS 130 to 430 , thats assuming they find a bus , if not itll be four. Zero communication on their social media. Thats pi## poor surely youd agree?
Quote from: Bob on November 17, 2023, 03:19:13 PMThank them for what they are doing? Oh did you not mean thank them then?
Heres an example of how abysmal they are. I live in longford estate. Went to catch the 230 no 70 that left wton 145pm. It hasnt run, cos its yet another breakdown on an hourly service. It shouldve left cannock for wolves around 250pm. People are still waiting. At best, unless they pull something off pye greens or something therell be a 2hr gap cannock to wolves. The 330 doesnt go through longford, so thatll be a gap of THREE HOURS 130 to 430 , thats assuming they find a bus , if not itll be four. Zero communication on their social media. Thats pi## poor surely youd agree?
I was on that very bus, it had a RTC in wolverhampton, a car slammed it breaks and it rear ended the car
Travelling to close to the car then.
Quote from: EK40 on November 17, 2023, 03:25:09 PMI was on that very bus, it had a RTC in wolverhampton, a car slammed it breaks and it rear ended the car
Jesus
Quote from: EK40 on November 17, 2023, 03:25:09 PMI was on that very bus, it had a RTC in wolverhampton, a car slammed it breaks and it rear ended the car
Pity they cant communicate stuff like that with passengers . A streetlite has been put on it now 30 mins late, it only tracked toward wolves from delta way onwards but hopefully itll have run from cannock
Quote from: EK40 on November 17, 2023, 03:25:09 PMI was on that very bus, it had a RTC in wolverhampton, a car slammed it breaks and it rear ended the car
Was everyone alright?
Quote from: Bob on November 17, 2023, 03:43:12 PMWas everyone alright?
Yeah other than being slightly flung out our seats by the sudden stop everyone was unscathed, the bus only had slight front bumper damage
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/930886892394795118/1175100994527428618/IMG_8907.jpg
Crikey it looks like 51 didnt last the day either and a volvo got pulled off a lichfield route to replace it
Quote from: Bob on November 17, 2023, 06:13:14 PMCrikey it looks like 51 didnt last the day either and a volvo got pulled off a lichfield route to replace it
51 was also in a RTC. It didn't break down
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on November 17, 2023, 08:56:36 PM51 was also in a RTC. It didn't break down
Looks like bustimes spotting to me...
Quote from: Jack on November 17, 2023, 09:53:48 PMLooks like bustimes spotting to me...
Was thinking the same thing 😂
I do use the 828 often to catch a train and my children (and others nearby) rely on it. It unfortunately is a really hit and miss service now from what was really good in the past going back to the 'Spireslink' services (as 825) with good all day and evening services 7 days a week.
Most young people in the villages it serves can't wait to learn to drive as a result as the limited service times and then unpredictably of the service. It's a cycle that needs to be broken and reliability is a way of encouraging people to use.
I'm sure there are people on here just looking at websites but there are others that do experience first hand too.
I'm not having a go at anyone or at Chaserider as when they run they are adequate and many of the drivers good.
Blame the regulatory body for not pulling them up on this.
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on November 17, 2023, 08:56:36 PM51 was also in a RTC. It didn't break down
I did say "didnt last the day to be fair...so technically i werent wrong 🤣
Quote from: LNational on November 18, 2023, 09:30:29 AMI do use the 828 often to catch a train and my children (and others nearby) rely on it. It unfortunately is a really hit and miss service now from what was really good in the past going back to the 'Spireslink' services (as 825) with good all day and evening services 7 days a week.
Most young people in the villages it serves can't wait to learn to drive as a result as the limited service times and then unpredictably of the service. It's a cycle that needs to be broken and reliability is a way of encouraging people to use.
I'm sure there are people on here just looking at websites but there are others that do experience first hand too.
I'm not having a go at anyone or at Chaserider as when they run they are adequate and many of the drivers good.
Deffo agree here with what you say the service is very hit & miss of late & i have been shouted down and basically branded as 'slagging off' by a few on here!. Real life experience too !! Im sure there has been a managment change at Cannock in recent months as this service has really gone down the pan to what it was earlier in the year. The vehicles chosen are quite shocking really for a main line interurban service, i do feel sorry for the drivers having to drive some of them tbh.
On a positive note i travelled back from Stafford this evening on the 18.10 service 826 and it was one of the new volvos evoras 640. Now this is the sort of thing they could do with to make some vast improvements rather than what they now seem to choose as the regular allocation. A very nice vehicle and a pleasant journey for once :-) Shame its only allowed this one single trip, presume its on the back of a 60 duty.
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on November 18, 2023, 05:38:36 AMWas thinking the same thing 😂
You have to check bustimes with Chasetider, as even though it aint always accurate, its still more reliable thqn the odds of your hourly bus actually running 🤣
Quote from: Mayfield on November 18, 2023, 09:48:12 AMBlame the regulatory body for not pulling them up on this.
And the local transport authority, Staffordshire County Council, for being totally disinterested in public transport, especially local bus services in its patch.
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on November 19, 2023, 06:19:17 PMAnd the local transport authority, Staffordshire County Council, for being totally disinterested in public transport, especially local bus services in its patch.
Well, its a Tory council lol, theyre not gomna be 🤣
Quote from: Wumpty on November 16, 2023, 09:39:57 PMI don't recall seeing any concerns in the monthly TC updates, not anything in the trade press.
I'm sure if things were *that* bad that the TC would be atop of things.
Most Staffordshire councillors don't care about buses though so I am not sure if they are the type to do this sort of thing. If the councillors cared about buses at all, they wouldn't be in the state that they are in in terms of the tendered network which was created by someone who definitely shouldn't be in a job.
Quote from: IMarkeh on November 20, 2023, 09:24:16 PMMost Staffordshire councillors don't care about buses though so I am not sure if they are the type to do this sort of thing. If the councillors cared about buses at all, they wouldn't be in the state that they are in in terms of the tendered network which was created by someone who definitely shouldn't be in a job.
bet staffordshire [Cannock/Lichfield/Rugeley/Stafford] areas dont get owt of the HS2 cancelled project money either for the bus services support.
Is 704 still alive?
Quote from: Bob on November 21, 2023, 06:58:32 PMIs 704 still alive?
Barely. Got quite a lot of issues with it
Another window was smashed on the 19 last night bus 506 again! It's getting beyond ridiculous now seems to be happening more often than not, Chaserider need to put in place that after a certain time it goes straight to Bloxwich like a 31 or 32 and completely misses out Coalpool & Harden like NX do on the 29 maybe then the little scrotes will eventually realise and get bored but until Chaserider do something it's going to keep happening!
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 22, 2023, 08:59:54 AMAnother window was smashed on the 19 last night bus 506 again! It's getting beyond ridiculous now seems to be happening more often than not, Chaserider need to put in place that after a certain time it goes straight to Bloxwich like a 31 or 32 and completely misses out Coalpool & Harden like NX do on the 29 maybe then the little scrotes will eventually realise and get bored but until Chaserider do something it's going to keep happening!
The 29 is diverted as NXWM decide appropriate. I'm sure there would need to be some sanction by TfWM before Chaserider diverted the 19.
Saying that, there would be some provision under the Health & Safety at Work Act 1974 to safeguard their drivers and, to further extent, passengers.
My personal opinion is that services after 1800hrs shouldn't run via Coalpool, Ryecroft and Harden until the police and local authorities can safeguard operators and passengers.
Quote from: Wumpty on November 22, 2023, 10:30:01 AMThe 29 is diverted as NXWM decide appropriate. I'm sure there would need to be some sanction by TfWM before Chaserider diverted the 19.
Saying that, there would be some provision under the Health & Safety at Work Act 1974 to safeguard their drivers and, to further extent, passengers.
My personal opinion is that services after 1800hrs shouldn't run via Coalpool, Ryecroft and Harden until the police and local authorities can safeguard operators and passengers.
While they're at it, TfWm to do something about rerouting the Wct 25 permanantly from Slacky Lane, seeing the little buggers are down there in the daytime!
Quote from: Westy on November 22, 2023, 10:35:58 AMWhile they're at it, TfWm to do something about rerouting the Wct 25 permanantly from Slacky Lane, seeing the little buggers are down there in the daytime!
And this is the quandary TfWM faces.
On one hand, they ought to curtail/divert routes away until the police and local authorities sort this out, though on the other hand, they can't penalise the vast majority of law abiding citizens that these socially necessary routes are designed to serve.
It amazes me (not) that the police will jump at the chance to do an expose with the Express & Star about these issues, though when operators and the public call the police, response times are rarely served!
Quote from: Wumpty on November 22, 2023, 10:30:01 AMMy personal opinion is that services after 1800hrs shouldn't run via Coalpool, Ryecroft and Harden until the police and local authorities can safeguard operators and passengers.
I completely agree 100%
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 22, 2023, 11:36:23 AMI completely agree 100%
Theyve introduced the diversion after 430pm. Jesus what sort of s##tholes are the areas it goes through. Theres a video on youtube with a bloke going round the area, its apparently been rated one of the worst estates in the country
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on November 21, 2023, 07:18:10 PMBarely. Got quite a lot of issues with it
Ahhh..prob not long for this world then
Quote from: Bob on November 22, 2023, 02:22:49 PMTheyve introduced the diversion after 430pm. Jesus what sort of s##tholes are the areas it goes through. Theres a video on youtube with a bloke going round the area, its apparently been rated one of the worst estates in the country
Yeah I did see that, I've always said Walsall needs a nuclear bomb dropped on it!
https://twitter.com/ChaseriderBus/status/1727362871288586611?t=Zc5MY46de6EOYzMyeYE-JQ&s=19
Has there been trouble with stone throwing on the railway too - 730206 returning from Crewe to Oxley was timed to stand at Bloxwich station rather than Ryecroft?
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 22, 2023, 03:07:06 PMYeah I did see that, I've always said Walsall needs a nuclear bomb dropped on it!
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Im imagining the little ba#tards mums probably had them at 11, never worked in their lives , and the dads are probably living with em but claiming seperately, probably on fake mental health saying they cant go out the house except for drug dealing 🤣🤣🤣
Quote from: Bob on November 22, 2023, 06:31:16 PM🤣🤣🤣🤣
Im imagining the little ba#tards mums probably had them at 11, never worked in their lives , and the dads are probably living with em but claiming seperately, probably on fake mental health saying they cant go out the house except for drug dealing 🤣🤣🤣
Disgusting that us tax payers have to pay for their life styles
Quote from: Lukeee on November 22, 2023, 09:47:16 PMDisgusting that us tax payers have to pay for their life styles
Deffo
Both vehicles on the 19 tonight 505 and 506 have had windows smashed, so new diversion when it's dark is they will follow the 31/32 route from Walsall to bloxwich, which I think is the best option or stop running the 19 earlier. This has now left Chaserider with 2 less euro 6 buses untill they get repaired. 64, 505, 506, 630 and 632 all off the road at the moment.
Quote from: Wba_lad on November 25, 2023, 07:11:40 PMBoth vehicles on the 19 tonight 505 and 506 have had windows smashed, so new diversion when it's dark is they will follow the 31/32 route from Walsall to bloxwich, which I think is the best option or stop running the 19 earlier. This has now left Chaserider with 2 less euro 6 buses untill they get repaired. 64, 505, 506, 630 and 632 all off the road at the moment.
It has been agreed that the 19 will run from Walsall normal route as far as Thames Ave at which point after 4pm buses will divert via Goscote Lane and Livingston Road to rejoin the main route, buses from Bloxwich will follow the same diversion.
It would be pointless and a waste of money to run the 19 along the full 31/32 route between Walsall and Bloxwich as you suggest.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on November 25, 2023, 07:39:03 PMIt has been agreed that the 19 will run from Walsall normal route as far as Thames Ave at which point after 4pm buses will divert via Goscote Lane and Livingston Road to rejoin the main route, buses from Bloxwich will follow the same diversion.
It would be pointless and a waste of money to run the 19 along the full 31/32 route between Walsall and Bloxwich as you suggest.
It has changed as of tonight even have a look on bus times, I thought the same about it being a waste of money why don't they just stop running the 19 earlier, if you look on bus times and drivers instructed to follow the 31/32 when it gets dark
Quote from: Rachvince53 on November 25, 2023, 07:39:03 PMIt has been agreed that the 19 will run from Walsall normal route as far as Thames Ave at which point after 4pm buses will divert via Goscote Lane and Livingston Road to rejoin the main route, buses from Bloxwich will follow the same diversion.
It would be pointless and a waste of money to run the 19 along the full 31/32 route between Walsall and Bloxwich as you suggest.
Actually FYI the route has been changed as of tonight and going forward it will go the same as the 31/32 from as soon as it starts getting dark the 19 WILL therefore be omitting all the estates and areas served!
Just looking at the 1605 from Bloxwich & 1603 from Walsall on Bustimes.
Fair trip / diversion out of service.
Quote from: Westy on November 25, 2023, 09:08:08 PMJust looking at the 1605 from Bloxwich & 1603 from Walsall on Bustimes.
Fair trip / diversion out of service.
No the diversion is done in service, as soon as it starts to get dark the 19 drivers have been instructed to follow the 31/32 route straight into bloxwich from Walsall and other way around, this is because of the anti social behaviour both vehicles on the 19 was smashed. It's not a diversion out of service.
Quote from: Wba_lad on November 26, 2023, 02:31:50 PMNo the diversion is done in service, as soon as it starts to get dark the 19 drivers have been instructed to follow the 31/32 route straight into bloxwich from Walsall and other way around, this is because of the anti social behaviour both vehicles on the 19 was smashed. It's not a diversion out of service.
According to Bustimes yesterday(Perhaps someone could confirm as I'm obviously only guessing here?), it looks like where they stopped tracking on route, is where the buses got attacked, then you get the bus going out of service, heading back towards Cannock depot.
(The one if you look on the tracking map, heads back to Cannock via the A5 partly!)
According to Bustimes, 19 diversion now kicked in!
Did they specify a danger money element on the bid for the 19? I cant think what possessed them to even want to run it tbf
Quote from: Bob on November 26, 2023, 04:36:01 PMDid they specify a danger money element on the bid for the 19? I cant think what possessed them to even want to run it tbf
They were obviously desperate for the cash 😂😂 what puzzles me is there was 4 bids placed on the tender for the 19 and Chaserider were the ones that won it clearly the other operations that bidded clearly didn't put a high enough bid in hence why Chaserider won it.....Unfortunately.
I'm led to believe there is a big meeting tomorrow with the powers that be to discuss the 19 hopefully Chaserider say to them "we're pulling off the route" and before much longer you'll see the route cancellation notice on DVSA website I'm hoping they do I think it's come to the stage where they need to
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 26, 2023, 08:27:57 PMThey were obviously desperate for the cash 😂😂 what puzzles me is there was 4 bids placed on the tender for the 19 and Chaserider were the ones that won it clearly the other operations that bidded clearly didn't put a high enough bid in hence why Chaserider won it.....Unfortunately.
I'm led to believe there is a big meeting tomorrow with the powers that be to discuss the 19 hopefully Chaserider say to them "we're pulling off the route" and before much longer you'll see the route cancellation notice on DVSA website I'm hoping they do I think it's come to the stage where they need to
4 bids?
Chaserider. Diamond & Nx presumbly?
Walsall Community Transport for the 4th? Would've been interesting to see if the drivers would work a 7 to 7 schedule, plus Sundays?
If not WCT, wonder who the 4th option was?
Even if Chaserider pull off, someone has to operate it?
It's never got to a situation where a tendered route is not operated ISTR, but would this be 'exceptional circumstances'?
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 26, 2023, 08:27:57 PMThey were obviously desperate for the cash 😂😂 what puzzles me is there was 4 bids placed on the tender for the 19 and Chaserider were the ones that won it clearly the other operations that bidded clearly didn't put a high enough bid in hence why Chaserider won it.....Unfortunately.
I think you mean the other operators that bid didn't put a low enough bid in...
Quote from: winston on November 26, 2023, 09:37:25 PMI think you mean the other operators that bid didn't put a low enough bid in...
Easy mistake.
Tbf tendering was a bit sh#t in the days before multi operator ticket and often went to lowest common denominator operators. I remember Petes travel ( i think) running the evening 351 to Cannock....great if you had an nx or TWM as was travelcard ..not...
Quote from: Westy on November 26, 2023, 09:13:31 PM4 bids?
Chaserider. Diamond & Nx presumbly?
Walsall Community Transport for the 4th? Would've been interesting to see if the drivers would work a 7 to 7 schedule, plus Sundays?
If not WCT, wonder who the 4th option was?
Even if Chaserider pull off, someone has to operate it?
It's never got to a situation where a tendered route is not operated ISTR, but would this be 'exceptional circumstances'?
Well it's interesting you should say this because when I read that there were 4 bids I was mulling over who they could of been
1) Chaserider (obviously for the fact that they won)
2) Diamond
3) National Express (maybe)
4) Let's Go? / Banga? (unlikely I know but you never know)
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 26, 2023, 10:20:41 PMWell it's interesting you should say this because when I read that there were 4 bids I was mulling over who they could of been
1) Chaserider (obviously for the fact that they won)
2) Diamond
3) National Express (maybe)
4) Let's Go? / Banga? (unlikely I know but you never know)
Well, 2 companies depots I mentioned are close to the route!
Again, would Let's Go & Banga do Sunday work?
(I know Let's Go did the 529 briefly before you say, but surely both of those would prefer Wolves work in the main?)
QuoteThey were obviously desperate for the cash 😂😂 what puzzles me is there was 4 bids placed on the tender for the 19 and Chaserider were the ones that won it clearly the other operations that bidded clearly didn't put a high enough bid in hence why Chaserider won it.....Unfortunately.
I'm led to believe there is a big meeting tomorrow with the powers that be to discuss the 19 hopefully Chaserider say to them "we're pulling off the route" and before much longer you'll see the route cancellation notice on DVSA website I'm hoping they do I think it's come to the stage where they need to
Erm... the DVSA don't deal with bus service registrations wholly within the WM combined Authority area no more.
Looks like that meeting happened as now 19 will stop operating after its 3pm journeys until further notice
So the meeting has obviously taken place this morning and this is the outcome
I think the decision with the 19 is a good option, still might not stop the smashed windows fully but we shall see, I've been on the 19 in the daylight and it's been targeted, it was pointless running the 19 up the 31/32 after a certain time best to stop running it after a certain time, shame Chaserider didn't pull off it completely or TFWM scrap the route completely, now the 19 has been stopped on a evening means the 29 will be main target.
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on November 27, 2023, 11:19:04 AMLooks like that meeting happened as now 19 will stop operating after its 3pm journeys until further notice
Cant blame 'em, i'd pull off altogether if i was them
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 25, 2023, 07:56:42 PMActually FYI the route has been changed as of tonight and going forward it will go the same as the 31/32 from as soon as it starts getting dark the 19 WILL therefore be omitting all the estates and areas served!
Updated information on TfWM website states that Chaserider 19 will no longer run after 3pm until 31st December (presumably an arbitrary date) . One journey each way on Walsall Community Transport services 23 & 25 will be diverted to partly cover the 19 route (giving last buses to the estate at approx 3pm and approx 4pm)
I have read on another group that national express might be scrapping the 8 not sure if it's true hopefully someone can confirm and if it's wrong I apologise for posting it on here just quoting from another group, but it's a shame Chaserider can't pull off the 19 and take on the 8 instead.
That really is a delightful thing to read :grin:
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 29, 2023, 03:32:51 PMThat really is a delightful thing to read :grin:
It's not really, all the regulars have now lost their bus service past 3pm. I don't know how you can try and say that's delightful at all.
Quote from: Jack on November 29, 2023, 03:36:46 PMIt's not really, all the regulars have now lost their bus service past 3pm. I don't know how you can try and say that's delightful at all.
This is not chaseriders fault, not being funny but most passengers are very understanding about this because they know that the drivers and buses are targeted I was on one when one was smashed. End of the day they still have the 29 to get around and near the route.
Quote from: Wba_lad on November 29, 2023, 04:50:56 PMThis is not chaseriders fault, not being funny but most passengers are very understanding about this because they know that the drivers and buses are targeted I was on one when one was smashed. End of the day they still have the 29 to get around and near the route.
The 19 and 29 both do different routes. And are you expecting some of the 19's passengers who are elderly to walk to one end to the other?
Hardly have the 29 when that's also diverted do they?
Quote from: Jack on November 29, 2023, 03:36:46 PMIt's not really, all the regulars have now lost their bus service past 3pm. I don't know how you can try and say that's delightful at all.
Well thats there problem! Not Chaserider it's been done for safety reasons clearly you're thick if you can't see that
Quote from: Jack on November 29, 2023, 04:52:44 PMThe 19 and 29 both do different routes. And are you expecting some of the 19's passengers who are elderly to walk to one end to the other?
Hardly have the 29 when that's also diverted do they?
Well as said Walsall community transport have agreed to cover bits it's not chaseriders fault. I think you need to wake up a little bit and see the attacks these buses and driver have to deal with, and also read TFWMs post to see what they have done.
Well, they know what to do, if they have information!
(Either that, or a few locals with baseball bats!)
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 29, 2023, 04:59:46 PMWell thats their problem! Not Chaserider it's been done for safety reasons clearly you're thick if you can't see that
Suggest you watch your tone.
It's not ideal for anyone that goes for both bus company and users, clearly I was saying that passengers probably are less than pleased thanks to the brainless idiots smashing windows, nothing against Chaserider have I said either so suggest you look back!
I wonder if
@hlliwmai would feel the same way if Chaserider had to make redundancies following a loss of contracts.
Not really anyone's fault other than the Mindless Kids doing it. Chaserider to be fair could have a comprise and done what NX did and diverted not to sure of the 19 route I know it goes down Abbotts Street so whichever way it could safely get down to get to Blakenall however if it can't this is the compromise. The Police need to do something because I can't see Locals putting up with this for long. It is one of them Damned if they do damned if they don't sort of things in other words a mess.
Quote from: Straightlines on November 29, 2023, 05:30:35 PMI wonder if @hlliwmai would feel the same way if Chaserider had to make redundancies following a loss of contracts.
Clearly needs a reality check too.
Funny how Chaserider are more bothered over their newer vehicles and tendered routes than their own routes that are apparently awful running and have the worst vehicles on!
Quote from: Jack on November 29, 2023, 05:43:13 PMClearly needs a reality check too.
Funny how Chaserider are more bothered over their newer vehicles and tendered routes than their own routes that are apparently awful running and have the worst vehicles on!
Prob cos tendering is more lucrative maybe
Quote from: Bob on November 29, 2023, 08:06:08 PMProb cos tendering is more lucrative maybe
D&G has historically always built its business on winning tenders as the lowest bidder. You reap what you sow!
Quote from: Straightlines on November 29, 2023, 08:15:58 PMD&G has historically always built its business on winning tenders as the lowest bidder. You reap what you sow!
Not a Chaserider tender but one of the drivers on my local tendered service said their company have to run the tendered service even if it means taking a bus off a commercial route.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on November 29, 2023, 08:46:10 PMNot a Chaserider tender but one of the drivers on my local tendered service said their company have to run the tendered service even if it means taking a bus off a commercial route.
Because they get fined from the tendering authority if they don't run a journey!
Quote from: MW on November 29, 2023, 09:33:13 PMBecause they get fined from the tendering authority if they don't run a journey!
Correct. This happened many years ago when a driver and company claimed they had run a journey on the Sunday tendered 562 but Centro (as it was then) did some checking and fined the company for falsely claiming the journey had run.
Quote from: Bob on November 22, 2023, 06:31:16 PM🤣🤣🤣🤣
Im imagining the little ba#tards mums probably had them at 11, never worked in their lives , and the dads are probably living with em but claiming seperately, probably on fake mental health saying they cant go out the house except for drug dealing 🤣🤣🤣
...and robbing....
Quote from: MW on November 29, 2023, 09:33:13 PMBecause they get fined from the tendering authority if they don't run a journey!
Would they have been fined today then, as one of the 16 plate volvos got took off, leaving gaps then a 63 plate evolution ( presumably not euro 6?) Got shoved on there after ....
Quote from: Bob on November 30, 2023, 09:29:44 PMWould they have been fined today then, as one of the 16 plate volvos got took off, leaving gaps then a 63 plate evolution ( presumably not euro 6?) Got shoved on there after ....
If any journeys on a tendered service are missed then, depending upon the circumstances (ie not caused by an accident, breakdown or vandalism) and it was stated in the tender document then yes the company would be fined for failing to operate that journey or journeys. In the case you mention, if Staffs CC are monitoring the service (and its a tendered route or journey) they are entitled to fine the company if no satisfactory explanation for missing those journeys can be provided. Simply not having a vehicle available is not likely to be acceptable. Any fine though would not be immediate as the company would have to be given time to prepare evidence as to why those journeys didn't run.
Looks like 704s back in service again
Does anyone know what happened with 506 today well yesterday (Saturday 2nd December) it looks like it got stuck at Blakenall.
Quote from: Wba_lad on December 03, 2023, 12:12:14 AMDoes anyone know what happened with 506 today well yesterday (Saturday 2nd December) it looks like it got stuck at Blakenall.
Another smashed window I think considering it ran back dead
From Chaserider social media.
'Good morning, following more anti-social activity along route 19 on Saturday between Walsall and Bloxwich we will not serve Blackenall today and will operate along main roads only. We will revert to normal route on Monday.'
Are they a bus down on there today too? Looks like mmc made only one journey on the 19
Quote from: Bob on December 03, 2023, 12:03:11 PMAre they a bus down on there today too? Looks like mmc made only one journey on the 19
No, it's now a 2 bus operation on a Sunday the one bus runs private to Walsall from depot it does 1 trip to Bloxwich and runs private back to depot the other bus runs private from depot to Bloxwich and takes over from the first bus
So today 19s are going down 31/32 route, I think it's disgusting the fact the kids are still smashing the buses, it's broad daylight, Chaserider and TFWM stopped running after a certain time but still looks like the little brats are doing it on Saturdays when they are off school (if they even go to school).
Quote from: hlliwmai on December 03, 2023, 12:38:46 PMNo, it's now a 2 bus operation on a Sunday the one bus runs private to Walsall from depot it does 1 trip to Bloxwich and runs private back to depot the other bus runs private from depot to Bloxwich and takes over from the first bus
So what does the first bus do after it's first & only trip?
Quote from: Westy on December 03, 2023, 12:57:11 PMSo what does the first bus do after it's first & only trip?
Hightails it back to the yard before it gets its windows smashed.
Quote from: Wba_lad on December 03, 2023, 12:55:54 PMSo today 19s are going down 31/32 route, I think it's disgusting the fact the kids are still smashing the buses, it's broad daylight, Chaserider and TFWM stopped running after a certain time but still looks like the little brats are doing it on Saturdays when they are off school (if they even go to school).
So what's the point of running the bus up & down the Bloxwich Road, apart from not getting a fine for failed journeys?
Quote from: Westy on December 03, 2023, 12:59:23 PMSo what's the point of running the bus up & down the Bloxwich Road, apart from not getting a fine for failed journeys?
Well maybe because they like their buses coming back to garage with all windows still in place not missing any, and I'm sure TFWM know about it, if they don't like it take Chaserider off the route I don't think Chaserider would be too fussed it's costing them too much
Quote from: Westy on December 03, 2023, 12:57:11 PMSo what does the first bus do after its first & only trip?
Returns to depot and the driver is then finished
Another meeting has taken place today with TfWM & Chaserider and it has been agreed that with immediate effect from this Saturday the 19 will be hourly with 1 bus on the route (Monday to Friday will still remain as 2 buses) I am also led to believe the route finishing early like it currently does IS going to be permanent
Quote from: hlliwmai on December 07, 2023, 09:42:32 PMAnother meeting has taken place today with TfWM & Chaserider and it has been agreed that with immediate effect from this Saturday the 19 will be hourly with 1 bus on the route (Monday to Friday will still remain as 2 buses) I am also led to believe the route finishing early like it currently does IS going to be permanent
Sounds like the tail wagging the dog!
Quote from: hlliwmai on December 07, 2023, 10:58:58 PMCome again?
Not sure what requires any further explanation!
Quote from: Straightlines on December 07, 2023, 11:13:23 PMNot sure what requires any further explanation!
I don't know what your trying to suggest
? The yobs have won
Quote from: hlliwmai on December 07, 2023, 10:58:58 PMCome again?
Think he means the maniacs have succeeded in sabotaging the 19. (tail being the maniacs and the dog being Chaserider/TfWM)
Quote from: hlliwmai on December 08, 2023, 09:58:08 AMWell I guess in a way they have
Has this happened on the 19 before? Reduced to daytime hours and lower frequency on a Sat
Quote from: Bob on December 08, 2023, 10:01:43 AMHas this happened on the 19 before? Reduced to daytime hours and lower frequency on a Sat
To my knowledge no I don't believe it has not with ANY company that has operated it previously so this really is a new thing (anyone who knows different please correct me)
*If* the driver gossip of a permanent service cut is true, then I think TfWM should focus on providing their statutory services and not having operators dictating odds to them. The commercial 29 seems to have as much trouble (if not more!) and we don't see that ceasing operation at 3pm.
Perhaps a new supplier is the way forward, and the incumbent could focus on somewhere else, Pye Green might be a start.
Quote from: Straightlines on December 08, 2023, 10:25:57 AM*If* the driver gossip of a permanent service cut is true, then I think TfWM should focus on providing their statutory services and not having operators dictating odds to them. The commercial 29 seems to have as much trouble (if not more!) and we don't see that ceasing operation at 3pm.
Perhaps a new supplier is the way forward, and the incumbent could focus on somewhere else, Pye Green might be a start.
If you was referring to me being a driver FYI I'm not BUT my partner is and I'm going on information which was given to me yesterday by one the inspectors so before you start trying to say it's tittle tattle it's not especially not when the inspectors in the office would know what's going on...
It would appear Chaserider has acquired a 17 plate Enviro 200 MMC ex Cardiff Bus currently tracking on the 71
Quote from: hlliwmai on December 12, 2023, 09:24:49 AMIt would appear Chaserider has acquired a 17 plate Enviro 200 MMC ex Cardiff Bus currently tracking on the 71
Prob a decent spec if ex cardiff
Quote from: Bob on December 12, 2023, 10:52:57 AMProb a decent spec if ex cardiff
USB power, has the lightweight highback lazzerini ethos seats cardiff uses, from what ive heard they are rock hard.
Vehicle photo (from facebook so not mine)
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867554099725598740/1184088107088363570/IMG_8961.png
Quote from: hlliwmai on December 12, 2023, 09:24:49 AMIt would appear Chaserider has acquired a 17 plate Enviro 200 MMC ex Cardiff Bus currently tracking on the 71
D & G have two similar buses ,these and the above were acquired from The Bus Shop / Mistral.
Quote from: EK40 on December 12, 2023, 10:57:40 AMUSB power, has the lightweight highback lazzerini ethos seats cardiff uses, from what ive heard they are rock hard.
Vehicle photo (from facebook so not mine)
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867554099725598740/1184088107088363570/IMG_8961.png
Full Leather Seats are not only rock hard but to hot in the summer or to cold in the Winter, the Leather parts on the NX Platnium's get Warm or Cold but the main area where you seat is obviously Fabric so it is fine.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on December 12, 2023, 03:47:51 PMFull Leather Seats are not only rock hard but to hot in the summer or to cold in the Winter, the Leather parts on the NX Platnium's get Warm or Cold but the main area where you seat is obviously Fabric so it is fine.
cardiff bus uses a mixed design as well, leather headrest/fabric main. im on about the seat design itself which ive seen best described as fabric stretched over a metal frame. reading buses i think also uses the same design.
Quote from: EK40 on December 12, 2023, 04:37:36 PMcardiff bus uses a mixed design as well, leather headrest/fabric main. im on about the seat design itself which ive seen best described as fabric stretched over a metal frame. reading buses i think also uses the same design.
Ah right doesn't Stagecoach use a similar design
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on December 12, 2023, 05:20:35 PMAh right doesn't Stagecoach use a similar design
Stagecoach uses plain grey leather seats now, used to have blue accenting but they dropped it for whatever reason
Before that it was the classic fabric moquette and sometime between 2015-2020 orange and blue leather for the highbacks
Quote from: EK40 on December 12, 2023, 10:57:40 AMUSB power, has the lightweight highback lazzerini ethos seats cardiff uses, from what ive heard they are rock hard.
Vehicle photo (from facebook so not mine)
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867554099725598740/1184088107088363570/IMG_8961.png
Is this the revised livery now for both fleets ?
Quote from: Vulcan on December 12, 2023, 05:44:06 PMIs this the revised livery now for both fleets ?
the other two that went to D&G are still in the red scheme so probably not
Quote from: Vulcan on December 12, 2023, 05:44:06 PMIs this the revised livery now for both fleets ?
The one at Cannock has got D and G branding rather than Chaserider
Quote from: Bob on December 12, 2023, 07:10:50 PMThe one at Cannock has got D and G branding rather than Chaserider
it seems to have chaserider legals on the skirt panel, perhaps its just on loan after paint being euro6 for a bit . They could send a clapped out solo to D&G and keep the MMC and hope they dont notice lol :police:
Quote from: B61 ANDREW on December 12, 2023, 01:02:08 PMD & G have two similar buses ,these and the above were acquired from The Bus Shop / Mistral.
Centrebus have also acquired 4 Enviro200s from the bus shop that are in airport spec and were previously with First Leicester for the EMA contract service all 18 plates
Understand they'll be allocated to D&G bis
Quote from: SSmith09 on December 13, 2023, 04:08:15 AMCentrebus have also acquired 4 Enviro200s from the bus shop that are in airport spec and were previously with First Leicester for the EMA contract service all 18 plates
Understand they'll be allocated to D&G bis
Are they like that vehicle I used to see on the old service 1, where it seemed to be more luggage racks than seats?
Quote from: Westy on December 13, 2023, 07:09:44 AMAre they like that vehicle I used to see on the old service 1, where it seemed to be more luggage racks than seats?
Yeah they are similar probably have them removed before entering service though
Quote from: Bob on December 12, 2023, 10:52:57 AMProb a decent spec if ex cardiff
It will be. I live just over the mountain from Cardiff. Incidentally they took two.
Why put merry Christmas from Centrebus on Chaserider 639
Quote from: Mayfield on December 13, 2023, 09:23:47 PMWhy put merry Christmas from Centrebus on Chaserider 639
Because they are part of Centrebus group
Quote from: Tony on December 14, 2023, 07:03:15 AMBecause they are part of Centrebus group
Does the average Cannock punter know who Centrebus is?
(Apart from the on loan / transferred vehicles of course!)
Exactly my point, just poor P.R.
Quote from: Mayfield on December 14, 2023, 07:24:06 PMExactly my point, just poor P.R.
Why? Nothing wrong with letting people know the ownership, do you think Transdev have bad PR using a fleetname and then putting Transdev on the bus as well?
Reliability as always today on the 74. The 14.50 stafford to Cannock , volvo 191 broke down just after stafford town centre. The next one, one of the scanias, at 3.20pm didnt even make it that far and according to the driver of the streetlite theyve dragged out the depot to run what shouldve been the 332 from cannock which left at 4pm, broke down at the sun inn leaving stafford. Good job they sent the streetlite cos the 4.02 obv wont run either
Quote from: Mayfield on December 14, 2023, 07:24:06 PMExactly my point, just poor P.R.
Or is it more to the fact that on the buses it should have something to say that they are part of the Centrebus group?
Like First (f), National Express, Rotala, Transdev & Go Ahead do on their buses. Which then means that it doesn't matter if Rotala wished its customers a merry Christmas because that blind update would be able to be used at any of the Diamonds, Preston Bus and Hotel Hoppa. Same with First where they have local brands and identities, same with NX with TWM and Cov. There are links with in the branding of the areas and on the buses to make a connection.
So, no not poor P.R. just poor base brand identity. It's completely irrelevant of PR.
If you looked closely at an ASDA store you knew it was part of the Wal-Mart family as bits of equipment had it plastered over it (recycling bags for top stocking and POS trolleys)
Quote from: Bob on December 15, 2023, 04:08:06 PMReliability as always today on the 74. The 14.50 stafford to Cannock , volvo 191 broke down just after stafford town centre. The next one, one of the scanias, at 3.20pm didnt even make it that far and according to the driver of the streetlite theyve dragged out the depot to run what shouldve been the 332 from cannock which left at 4pm, broke down at the sun inn leaving stafford. Good job they sent the streetlite cos the 4.02 obv wont run either
Stop moaning. Breakdowns happen not everything is perfect. Find a hobby instead of sitting in your chair waiting for buses to breakdown so you can slag them off
Also it didn't breakdown it got stuck in traffic so was running late. Get your facts right
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on December 15, 2023, 04:51:25 PMStop moaning. Breakdowns happen not everything is perfect. Find a hobby instead of sitting in your chair waiting for buses to breakdown so you can slag them off
I was on the bus actually....yeah buses do break down, but theirs do to abysmal levels.
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on December 15, 2023, 04:57:02 PMAlso it didn't breakdown it got stuck in traffic so was running late. Get your facts right
Which one....cos 191 was sat dead at the bus stop...we passed it. Oh and the driver stated it broke down ( the scania). Also so it got stuck in traffic, where did it go then
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on December 15, 2023, 04:51:25 PMStop moaning. Breakdowns happen not everything is perfect. Find a hobby instead of sitting in your chair waiting for buses to breakdown so you can slag them off
Oh and maybe lose the attitude....
So explain to the passengers why recently acquired 572 had D & G fleet name, Centrebus Holding legals on a Chaserider route
Quote from: Mayfield on December 15, 2023, 05:43:40 PMSo explain to the passengers why recently acquired 572 had D & G fleet name, Centrebus Holding legals on a Chaserider route
Because it was over for repaint. They're the same company so it doesn't matter if they have different logos. As long as it shows the chaserider legal with the address then they're allowed to do whatever. Like NX use buses from Coventry garage if they need them
Quote from: Bob on December 15, 2023, 05:26:50 PMWhich one....cos 191 was sat dead at the bus stop...we passed it. Oh and the driver stated it broke down ( the scania). Also so it got stuck in traffic, where did it go then
The scania, if you looked in stead of getting so happy when you saw it stopped tracking you'll see its still tracking on the 828 running 10 minutes late
It does matter to the passengers
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on December 15, 2023, 04:51:25 PMStop moaning. Breakdowns happen not everything is perfect. Find a hobby instead of sitting in your chair waiting for buses to breakdown so you can slag them off
No good when you have to rely on these services though is it for work etc.? What about the weekly / monthly tickets we customers pay for in advance then buses simply dont show? take it this is an acceptale way to operate a registered bus service then? its becoming a daily occurance. Its about time some investment in vehicles was made for this set of services too. 15 to 17 year old knackers and minibuses aint up to it clearly. Its a on going issue which nothing seems to be being done to address the operational issues on the 74 826 828 diagrams.
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on December 15, 2023, 05:52:46 PMThe scania, if you looked in stead of getting so happy when you saw it stopped tracking you'll see its still tracking on the 828 running 10 minutes late
So what happened then? It didnt do av15.20 74 at all? Cos it didnt pass us cannock bound. The 15.50 passed us showing not in service by wildwood
99 (YX11 CTV) has re-appeared at Chaserider, I'm unsure as to why but unless it was only ever on loan to D&G Bus and has now returned permanently to Cannock I don't know?
Quote from: hlliwmai on December 16, 2023, 08:18:34 PM99 (YX11 CTV) has re-appeared at Chaserider, I'm unsure as to why but unless it was only ever on loan to D&G Bus and has now returned permanently to Cannock I don't know?
Should ask the Inspectors that are "in the know" about the future of the 19!
Quote from: Straightlines on December 16, 2023, 08:50:09 PMShould ask the Inspectors that are "in the know" about the future of the 19!
Well as I've already been told the finishing early in the week and running hourly on a Saturday I'm told is meant to permanent BUT whether this is the case I really don't know I'm just going on information I've been told
Quote from: hlliwmai on December 16, 2023, 08:18:34 PM99 (YX11 CTV) has re-appeared at Chaserider, I'm unsure as to why but unless it was only ever on loan to D&G Bus and has now returned permanently to Cannock I don't know?
623 (BK13 NZO) has made an appearance too which I'm also unsure why about
Quote from: Bob on December 16, 2023, 02:27:28 PMSo what happened then? It didnt do av15.20 74 at all? Cos it didnt pass us cannock bound. The 15.50 passed us showing not in service by wildwood
and press repeat again today on 74 / 826 /828 circuit - least it was a bit warmer today to be left waiting for no show clapped out broken down old relics. The TM needs their repute calling in!
Quote from: hlliwmai on December 16, 2023, 09:14:35 PMWell as I've already been told the finishing early in the week and running hourly on a Saturday I'm told is meant to permanent BUT whether this is the case I really don't know I'm just going on information I've been told
Well, have they been behaving themselves in the area, since the 2 arrests?
I've heard / seen nothing on social media since!
Quote from: Westy on December 16, 2023, 11:55:13 PMWell, have they been behaving themselves in the area, since the 2 arrests?
I've heard / seen nothing on social media since!
The 29 got done in the other evening apparently so I'm gonna take a rough guess of no
Chaseride 99 now back at Chaserider tracking as 55
Quote from: Westy on December 16, 2023, 11:55:13 PMWell, have they been behaving themselves in the area, since the 2 arrests?
I've heard / seen nothing on social media since!
The buses don't go down that way Unless the 29 has reverted however the other day there was a crash and Walker Road was listed as the 29 Diversion Route which I thought was it's normal Route. But apparently they are still doing things around there there are more than two they just got caught as they were stupid enough to do it when the Police were in the area/didn't have any Balaclavas or Hoods up like the others one do.
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on December 16, 2023, 09:26:02 PM623 (BK13 NZO) has made an appearance too which I'm also unsure why about
623 (BK13 NZO) is at Chaserider for body work, I don't believe they will use it in service unfortunately, but the near side by the rear wheel has bad body damage, so is at Chaserider for body repair
Quote from: Wba_lad on December 18, 2023, 08:09:10 PM623 (BK13 NZO) is at Chaserider for body work, I don't believe they will use it in service unfortunately, but the near side by the rear wheel has bad body damage, so is at Chaserider for body repair
Excellent body repair / repaint team at Cannock make good sense to keep repairs " in house"
543 and 630 won't be on the road for a little bit. 543 engine is knackered and 630 is awaiting a engine repair
Solo 162 has apparently been withdrawn it has been having issues constantly losing air they have tried to fix it numerous times but the issue keeps occurung so it's been decided that it is to be withdrawn
51 also withdrawn due to a very serious RTC
Route News - Chaserider have acquired the 31 & 32 (Lichfield Circular) off diamond. Plus a random 830 to Hill Ridware
They're starting 8th January
Wonder if 31 /32 will link up with 60 for driver change
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on December 20, 2023, 11:28:58 PMRoute News - Chaserider have acquired the 31 & 32 (Lichfield Circular) off diamond. Plus a random 830 to Hill Ridware
They're starting 8th January
I did notice on the Diamond site that they'd split off the 31/32 from its Burton interworkings recently.
I suppose any of the companies operating into Lichfield could've done it by interworking with an existing service, even Nx could've done it off either the 8 or X3 if they'd wanted to!
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on December 20, 2023, 11:28:58 PMRoute News - Chaserider have acquired the 31 & 32 (Lichfield Circular) off diamond. Plus a random 830 to Hill Ridware
They're starting 8th January
Chaserider are operating peak time journeys only according to Staffordshire County Council. Diamond will continue operating during the daytime.
Quote from: metrocity on December 21, 2023, 10:28:40 AMChaserider are operating peak time journeys only according to Staffordshire County Council. Diamond will continue operating during the daytime.
Now people were saying on the Diamond East Mids Facebook page, why have you got rid of the other journeys?
Surely Diamond could have said the journeys had transferred to another operator, or if they didn't know, say to contact Staffordshire County Council.
I can understand from a commercial point of view, if Diamond were running similar journeys at the same time, but not when it's a tendered service.
Thought we put all that lack of information issue behind us years ago?
I remember coming across a post 1986 branded WM (PTE) timetable for the Aldridge to Brum corridor once in Walsall library.
Didn't know there was such a thing, along with catching a Chase bus once & finding their timetables on board!
Quote from: Westy on December 21, 2023, 11:41:45 AMSurely Diamond could have said the journeys had transferred to another operator, or if they didn't know, say to contact Staffordshire County Council.
I think they did the same when the lost the 406 back in September.
Quote from: Westy on December 21, 2023, 11:41:45 AMSurely Diamond could have said the journeys had transferred to another operator, or if they didn't know, say to contact Staffordshire County Council.
Because that requires someone to care about passengers and also be competent. Something seriously lacking at Diamond Midlands.
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on December 20, 2023, 09:22:12 PM51 also withdrawn due to a very serious RTC
That was the day 2 no 70s had accidents i think
https://x.com/ChaseriderBus/status/1738203349881639024
Unless those buses break down? :azn:
Quote from: Stu on December 22, 2023, 06:59:31 PMhttps://x.com/ChaseriderBus/status/1738203349881639024
Unless those buses break down? :azn:
One would hope they've got plans to allocate newish buses on those specific trips.
Quote from: markcf83 on December 22, 2023, 07:35:26 PMOne would hope they've got plans to allocate newish buses on those specific trips.
They are 639 will be the bus in use on these routes tomorrow, so for all those armchair vegetables looking on bus times you will see that bus tracking on all the above journeys and times!
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on December 19, 2023, 11:39:28 PM543 and 630 won't be on the road for a little bit. 543 engine is knackered and 630 is awaiting a engine repair
Engine gone already on 543 blimey its not even 12 month old yet :sad:
Quote from: hlliwmai on December 20, 2023, 08:10:36 PMSolo 162 has apparently been withdrawn it has been having issues constantly losing air they have tried to fix it numerous times but the issue keeps occurung so it's been decided that it is to be withdrawn
good riddence best palce is the scrap yard for all optare solos :evil: :evil:
Quote from: solonightrider on December 22, 2023, 11:24:24 PMgood riddence best palce is the scrap yard for all optare solos :evil: :evil:
Unfortunately it would appear it's not dead after all!! They must of rectified the problem and it's been tracking again oh well... it was nice while it lasted! 😂
Bus 1 had it's window smashed again this morning in either Bloxwich/Leamore whilst running private to Walsall to start service on the 36, I bet Chaserider are really regretting running services in Walsall after all these incidents I can see it happening before much longer they'll pull off Walsall routes if all this vandalism doesn't stop I personally wouldn't blame them either! Something has to give!
Quote from: hlliwmai on December 23, 2023, 05:47:16 PMBus 1 had it's window smashed again this morning in either Bloxwich/Leamore whilst running private to Walsall to start service on the 36, I bet Chaserider are really regretting running services in Walsall after all these incidents I can see it happening before much longer they'll pull off Walsall routes if all this vandalism doesn't stop I personally wouldn't blame them either! Something has to give!
Wonder where that got caught then?
If the bus runs dead via Bloxwich Road, I can't think of anywhere where it could be attacked(maybe the old railway bridge that leads to Ryecroft at a guess?) , plus it would be light by then, plus why haven't any NX or Diamond buses been attacked on that stretch either?
Seem to recall a few years ago, in fact I might have a pic of the damage aftermath somewhere, some kids were walking past the Doghouse by NX Walsall, when they threw a brick through the nearside window of the bus I was on, which was fairly full ISTR.
Quote from: hlliwmai on December 23, 2023, 10:05:43 AMUnfortunately it would appear it's not dead after all!! They must of rectified the problem and it's been tracking again oh well... it was nice while it lasted! 😂
damn!! too good to be true haha - The santa bus was good today, The driver was well in to his santa role and looked the part, my little one loved it :grin: :grin:
Quote from: solonightrider on December 22, 2023, 11:20:08 PMEngine gone already on 543 blimey its not even 12 month old yet :sad:
Probably been thrashed between Cannock and Telford on the road......
One thing I can't understand is Walsall routes are contracted to be euro 6 vehicles when Walsall bus station is not a euro 6 bus station, national express use euro 4 and I'm sure they use euro 3 buses.
National express are a much bigger company, they have a lot more euro 6 buses available, if Chaserider who are a much smaller company are a much smaller company are expected to use euro 6 buses then so should Nx.
Might seem like I'm moaning but I'm not, the 19 which Chaserider now operate gets its windows smashed all the time, this should be contracted anything Chaserider can get out on it, at least a bus will be operating the service, at least then if a old knackered bus gets its windows smashed yes it's not good but will be better than smashed up a newer vehicle.
QuoteOne thing I can't understand is Walsall routes are contracted to be euro 6 vehicles when Walsall bus station is not a euro 6 bus station, national express use euro 4 and I'm sure they use euro 3 buses.
National express are a much bigger company, they have a lot more euro 6 buses available, if Chaserider who are a much smaller company are a much smaller company are expected to use euro 6 buses then so should Nx.
Might seem like I'm moaning but I'm not, the 19 which Chaserider now operate gets its windows smashed all the time, this should be contracted anything Chaserider can get out on it, at least a bus will be operating the service, at least then if a old knackered bus gets its windows smashed yes it's not good but will be better than smashed up a newer vehicle.
They all have to be Euro VI, even commercial routes. Part of the Enhanced Partnership
Quote from: Wba_lad on December 29, 2023, 02:06:39 PMOne thing I can't understand is Walsall routes are contracted to be euro 6 vehicles when Walsall bus station is not a euro 6 bus station, national express use euro 4 and I'm sure they use euro 3 buses.
National express are a much bigger company, they have a lot more euro 6 buses available, if Chaserider who are a much smaller company are a much smaller company are expected to use euro 6 buses then so should Nx.
Might seem like I'm moaning but I'm not, the 19 which Chaserider now operate gets its windows smashed all the time, this should be contracted anything Chaserider can get out on it, at least a bus will be operating the service, at least then if a old knackered bus gets its windows smashed yes it's not good but will be better than smashed up a newer vehicle.
National Express (and Diamond) have an exemption for a selected number of vehicles currently until January 24th that can be used on commercial services. The exact vehicles are listed in the agreement, so neither could bring in additional vehicles.
Chaserider's routes are tendered that specify euro 6
Quote from: Wba_lad on December 29, 2023, 02:06:39 PMOne thing I can't understand is Walsall routes are contracted to be euro 6 vehicles when Walsall bus station is not a euro 6 bus station, national express use euro 4 and I'm sure they use euro 3 buses.
There's no such thing as a "Euro 6 bus station".
Euro6 is an EU vehicle emissions standard.
Since May this year it is a requirement set out by TfWM that all buses operating within the West Midlands meet minimum Euro6 emissions standards, though as Tony says above, Diamond and NX were both granted an exemption due to exceptional circumstances.
https://wmbu.org.uk/2023/04/1st-may-vehicle-emissions-standards-deadline-operators-apply-for-temporary-exemptions/
Operators bidding on TfWM tender contracts have been required to use Euro6 vehicles for a couple of years already, hence why smaller operators with smaller fleets already have such vehicles in place.
Quote from: Stu on December 29, 2023, 07:31:15 PMThere's no such thing as a "Euro 6 bus station".
Euro6 is an EU vehicle emissions standard.
Since May this year it is a requirement set out by TfWM that all buses operating within the West Midlands meet minimum Euro6 emissions standards, though as Tony says above, Diamond and NX were both granted an exemption due to exceptional circumstances.
https://wmbu.org.uk/2023/04/1st-may-vehicle-emissions-standards-deadline-operators-apply-for-temporary-exemptions/
Operators bidding on TfWM tender contracts have been required to use Euro6 vehicles for a couple of years already, hence why smaller operators with smaller fleets already have such vehicles in place.
Does that include buses coming into the WM from places like Staffordshire and other areas? If so, presumably the 70 and 71 will get newer vehicles that currently used
Quote from: Bob on December 29, 2023, 11:44:39 PMDoes that include buses coming into the WM from places like Staffordshire and other areas? If so, presumably the 70 and 71 will get newer vehicles that currently used
I'm probably wrong but there's no TfWM involvement on those services is there?
Same with the 3, & when we had the evening & Sunday 2's into Walsall.
Correct, although in due course all buses should be Euro6 compliant, there is no requirement for buses from outside the TfWM area to be compliant. That situation would change of course if a London style LEZ was introduced. Non-compliant vehicles would be subject to fines.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on December 30, 2023, 05:43:00 PMCorrect, although in due course all buses should be Euro6 compliant, there is no requirement for buses from outside the TfWM area to be compliant. That situation would change of course if a London style LEZ was introduced. Non-compliant vehicles would be subject to fines.
The Euro 6 rule does apply to cross border services, otherwise operators could just avoid it by extending services to one stop past the boundary, although it is possible Chaserider have a similar agreement to the ones NX & Diamond have
Quote from: Rachvince53 on December 30, 2023, 05:43:00 PMCorrect, although in due course all buses should be Euro6 compliant, there is no requirement for buses from outside the TfWM area to be compliant. That situation would change of course if a London style LEZ was introduced. Non-compliant vehicles would be subject to fines.
Incorrect. As of 1st May 2023 all bus services operating within the West Midlands region (the EP Scheme area) should be operated by vehicles meeting Euro6 standards.
Screenshot 2023-12-30 at 17-55-49 Microsoft Word - West Midlands EP Scheme Variation 002 v7.6 261022 - as agreed by EP Ref Group - wm-enhanced-partnership-v002-v7-6-final.pdf.png
From page 48 of this document: https://www.tfwm.org.uk/media/zuhdzhqk/wm-enhanced-partnership-v002-v7-6-final.pdf
In the case of services that operate 'cross-border', it seems there is only an exception for those operated under contract to other local authorities outside the WMCA.
Screenshot 2023-12-30 at 18-04-49 Microsoft Word - West Midlands EP Scheme Variation 002 v7.6 261022 - as agreed by EP Ref Group - wm-enhanced-partnership-v002-v7-6-final.pdf.png
The 70 had knackered E200 no 52 on yesterday, with no working front destination blind or card in window stating what route it was 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
My apologies, I was not aware of this. I only thought it applied to services Wholly within the TfWM area.
Quote from: Wba_lad on December 29, 2023, 02:06:39 PMOne thing I can't understand is Walsall routes are contracted to be euro 6 vehicles when Walsall bus station is not a euro 6 bus station, national express use euro 4 and I'm sure they use euro 3 buses.
National express are a much bigger company, they have a lot more euro 6 buses available, if Chaserider who are a much smaller company are a much smaller company are expected to use euro 6 buses then so should Nx.
Might seem like I'm moaning but I'm not, the 19 which Chaserider now operate gets its windows smashed all the time, this should be contracted anything Chaserider can get out on it, at least a bus will be operating the service, at least then if a old knackered bus gets its windows smashed yes it's not good but will be better than smashed up a newer vehicle.
Most of Walsall's buses are Euro 6, the only ones that aren't are a few Tridents I think 4566 and 4567. The Omnilinks are Euro 6 they are used in Birmingham, The StreetDecks I would imagine are, E400's certainly are, MMC's again certainly are, the E200's at a guess are and the B7RLE's are to. Diamond Streetlites are, there B7's are, E200's not sure, some Solo's are, Darts if they still have any not sure. Most of NX's fleet bar two I can think of that they use in Walsall are Euro 6.
Can we get back to the subject of Chaserider please?
If Bustimes is correct of the 6 travel Telford vehicles 3 haven't been used for 2 weeks of longer, 2 on Pye Greens and the remaining 1 in Telford, I find that incredible.
Quote from: Mayfield on January 04, 2024, 09:45:11 AMIf Bustimes is correct of the 6 travel Telford vehicles 3 haven't been used for 2 weeks of longer, 2 on Pye Greens and the remaining 1 in Telford, I find that incredible.
I know 53i is plagued with issues and 543 has engine issues
Quote from: Mayfield on January 04, 2024, 09:45:11 AMIf Bustimes is correct of the 6 travel Telford vehicles 3 haven't been used for 2 weeks of longer, 2 on Pye Greens and the remaining 1 in Telford, I find that incredible.
Maybe the tenders arent as strict over there, considering 15/16 yr old Solos seem to be there daily lol
Quote from: Bob on January 04, 2024, 10:17:52 PMMaybe the tenders arent as strict over there, considering 15/16 yr old Solos seem to be there daily lol
Telford isn't required to have Euro 6 buses
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on January 04, 2024, 10:36:44 PMTelford isn't required to have Euro 6 buses
Crikey wonder why they bought new buses thatd be much better utilised on other routes
Quote from: Mayfield on January 04, 2024, 09:45:11 AMIf Bustimes is correct of the 6 travel Telford vehicles 3 haven't been used for 2 weeks of longer, 2 on Pye Greens and the remaining 1 in Telford, I find that incredible.
543 was back on the 4th after having a new engine, not sure what's up with 538 and 540?
Why is 630 off the road?
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on January 07, 2024, 12:34:02 AMNew engine
Hi All. Just wondering if "new engine" actually means a brand new engine or does it mean a refurbished/rebuilt one ?? And what sort of cost would it entail ?? Thanks. :smiley:
Quote from: B61 ANDREW on January 07, 2024, 04:45:28 PMHi All. Just wondering if "new engine" actually means a brand new engine or does it mean a refurbished/rebuilt one ?? And what sort of cost would it entail ?? Thanks. :smiley:
I suspect it's a refurb/recon. Average costs of a used Cummins ISbe engine are £2-3k (similar engine is fitted to the DAF LF55 truck so they're readily available. Engines can be whipped out of a Solo in 2-3 hours.
Brand new engines can start from £15k, hence why most operators will continue to buy and fit/swap used/recon/refurb engines from scrap buses knowing they'll get 4-5 engines for the cost of a brand new one.
Pistons can be bought for £35-50 and other parts are also readily available making them easy to repair.
We used to fit a number of 510 engines from scrappers into our fleet of Nationals at Choice (as did Chase and other operators in the 90s). Firstly as there were a shed load of them and we could scavenge parts easily, and second you couldn't buy new 510 engines (again, hence why Chase started experimental re-engining programmes and it lead to the Volvo/DAF programme too).
Thank you Wumpty , very interesting reply.
Quote from: B61 ANDREW on January 07, 2024, 09:16:14 PMThank you Wumpty , very interesting reply.
You're welcome!
Problem with modern engines is that they're heavily computerised so it's not as easy to re-engine for something else like Volvo did in the Nationals.
In all fairness to Chaserider (and other smaller, low cost bus companies) fitting recons offers greater flexibility - I'm sure
@Tony knows if NX have done this with older Tridents/Presidents in the past.
Quote from: Wumpty on January 08, 2024, 08:36:32 PMYou're welcome!
Problem with modern engines is that they're heavily computerised so it's not as easy to re-engine for something else like Volvo did in the Nationals.
In all fairness to Chaserider (and other smaller, low cost bus companies) fitting recons offers greater flexibility - I'm sure @Tony knows if NX have done this with older Tridents/Presidents in the past.
Unless they are under warranty still, very few buses actually get 'new' engines. Most engines will last a minimum of 7 years, and normally by then the manufacturer has moved to a more modern engine (Euro 3 -4 -5 -6 etc) so are not actuall making the engine required. Rebuilds can be quite extensive and Cummins Euro 3 engines actually use the same blocks as Euro 6 ones, so it is possible to strip a Euro 3 block completely down, reline the cylinders, and rebuild it with euro 6 fittings and you have converted a euro 3 engine to euro 6, trouble is it does then not fit in the engine compartment of the bus it came out of, so you cannot upgrade buses that way, but you can than use it to replace a euro6 failed engine. Even doing rebuilds in house which NX do at Miller Street will still cost into the thousands of pounds, so not cheap.
Looks like Chaserider have a new vehicle, enviro 200, fleet number 522, it's a ex first Leicester vehicle, also looking at some photos on Flickr it's a ex compass vehicle too, YX18 KYA.
Quote from: Wba_lad on January 22, 2024, 10:08:11 PMLooks like Chaserider have a new vehicle, enviro 200, fleet number 522, it's a ex first Leicester vehicle, also looking at some photos on Flickr it's a ex compass vehicle too, YX18 KYA.
It's on the 19 today.
Interesting history for this vehicle. It has also seen service around Manchester Airport.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on January 23, 2024, 08:04:04 AMIt's on the 19 today.
has it kept all its windows in lol Hear 132 the VDL MCV is withdrawn so perhaps ithis is a replacment for it. No sign of the new MMCs that was mentioned in the trade mag a while ago.
62 has made an appearance back into the garage yesterday
Quote from: solonightrider on January 24, 2024, 09:55:46 PMoh dear!!!
Tbf not really oh dear. It was an awful lot better than 64 until they finally fixed 64
From 11th February Chaserider will no longer be running the 19
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on January 25, 2024, 12:23:21 PMFrom 11th February Chaserider will no longer be running the 19
Not surprised. It's costly to keep replacing broken windows and means that a bus has to be pulled from potential use elsewhere.
Who going to be running it
Quote from: Solo1 on January 25, 2024, 10:55:17 PMWho going to be running it
Nothing has been said yet
Quote from: Solo1 on January 25, 2024, 10:55:17 PMWho going to be running it
Hopefully no one and the route gets it, I feel sorry to whoever falls into the trap if taking it on again, the route is dangerous, I've been on a bus when a window was smashed on the route not nice, I think they hide in the forest on harden road, and I think sometimes they use some sort of pellet gun because some of the smashed windows have like a small hit and then shattered, even the timetable change to earlier didn't stop anything because they still got them on the weekend, it has reduced it a little bit but still has happened. The most worrying thing about it is when your going along the route and you see kids no older than 11/12 standing on the corner of a road picking up bricks and launching them at the buses going past, a few actually hit the bus and one hit a window but was very lucky it never smashed as there was a elderly person sitting by that window, these idiots don't think of these things,
How would they act if glass hits one of the parents or one of their friends
Quote from: Solo1 on January 26, 2024, 02:58:42 PMHow would they act if glass hits one of the parents or one of their friends
The parents would probably use it to ponce even more benefits lol
Quote from: Solo1 on January 26, 2024, 02:58:42 PMHow would they act if glass hits one of the parents or one of their friends
As I've said before, brain-dead morons have no capability to think about such consequences.
Quote from: Stu on January 26, 2024, 06:20:23 PMAs I've said before, brain-dead morons have no capability to think about such consequences.
Makes you wonder what the parents are like to be fair to have little ba#tards like them for kids
Quote from: Bob on January 27, 2024, 12:51:14 AMMakes you wonder what the parents are like to be fair to have little ba#tards like them for kids
If the parents are early 50's & went to the old Tp Riley, I probably know of them!
Actually, could even be grandparents!
FOI request situation with Telford and Wrekin Council by someone. Interesting conversation going on there.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/tendered_bus_performance?nocache=outgoing-1588483#outgoing-1588483
QuoteFOI request situation with Telford and Wrekin Council by someone. Interesting conversation going on there.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/tendered_bus_performance?nocache=outgoing-1588483#outgoing-1588483
Nice to see transparency and openness from T&W /s
Quote from: Westy on January 27, 2024, 09:22:38 AMIf the parents are early 50's & went to the old Tp Riley, I probably know of them!
Actually, could even be grandparents!
Nah the grandparents are probably late 20s 🤣
I notice there haven't been any updates since they announced they would be ceasing operating the 19 from 11th Feb, you would have thought by now something would have been published.
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 01, 2024, 09:18:35 AMI notice there haven't been any updates since they announced they would be ceasing operating the 19 from 11th Feb, you would have thought by now something would have been published.
Operators who bid have been told informally, but you need to wait for the winning operator to formally accept. (There's more than one bidder)
Quote from: Tony on February 01, 2024, 09:21:51 AMOperators who bid have been told informally, but you need to wait for the winning operator to formally accept. (There's more than one bidder)
Bearing in mind the comment made by Stu, when that information was published albeit briefly, must admit Im surprised theres more than one bidder!
Are there any 'surprises', or is it the 'usual suspects'?
Obviously you can tell us later.
Quote from: Tony on February 01, 2024, 09:21:51 AMOperators who bid have been told informally, but you need to wait for the winning operator to formally accept. (There's more than one bidder)
Well I've been told on good authority that Diamond have ruled themselves OUT of operating it because there is far too much vandalism on the route
On chaserider website 11 February withdrawal to service 19 has been removed. Are chaserider continuing to operate the 19 service for now.
Youv got it on good authority meaning your just itching to find it out who's got it . You yourself supposedly work for chaserider the company that gave the route up . You were happy about that so why are you so interested who's operating it now. Why not be patient like everyone else and wait. You weren't concerned about the people that genuinely need the service like the elderly?
Quote from: Lynx1103 on February 01, 2024, 10:37:32 AMOn chaserider website 11 February withdrawal to service 19 has been removed. Are chaserider continuing to operate the 19 service for now.
I'm glad I'm not the only one to of noticed that
Quote from: cris 99 on February 01, 2024, 11:04:06 AMYouv got it on good authority meaning your just itching to find it out who's got it . You yourself supposedly work for chaserider the company that gave the route up . You were happy about that so why are you so interested who's operating it now. Why not be patient like everyone else and wait. You weren't concerned about the people that genuinely need the service like the elderly?
Actually FYI my cousin messaged Bob Baker and asked if Diamond were taking on the 19, and he confirmed that they had looked into it but had ruled themselves out because of the vandalism
A reminder to all that this thread is for discussing Chaserider.
Metrocity 144 has returned to Chaserider was parked on the yard last night after being away for assumed engine work, I don't know when or indeed if it will re-enter service, this is now the second vehicle to return in the last couple of weeks; following the return of Streetlite (62) which has also NOT yet re-entered service again I don't know whether or not this will re-enter service or not.
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 08, 2024, 01:24:17 PMMetrocity 144 has returned to Chaserider was parked on the yard last night after being away for assumed engine work, I don't know when or indeed if it will re-enter service, this is now the second vehicle to return in the last couple of weeks; following the return of Streetlite (62) which has also NOT yet re-entered service again I don't know whether or not this will re-enter service or not.
144 was a nice bus to travel on
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 08, 2024, 01:24:17 PMMetrocity 144 has returned to Chaserider was parked on the yard last night after being away for assumed engine work, I don't know when or indeed if it will re-enter service, this is now the second vehicle to return in the last couple of weeks; following the return of Streetlite (62) which has also NOT yet re-entered service again I don't know whether or not this will re-enter service or not.
They need some major investment on the 826 828 fleet, the choice of vehicles is truly shocking. 25 seat solos on a busy set of route's and the oldest knackers they can find on a daily basis if they can last a shift that is!! Really gone down the pan in the last 8 or so months.
Quote from: solonightrider on February 08, 2024, 09:59:32 PMThey need some major investment on the 826 828 fleet, the choice of vehicles is truly shocking. 25 seat solos on a busy set of route's and the oldest knackers they can find on a daily basis if they can last a shift that is!! Really gone down the pan in the last 8 or so months.
144 wasn't that much more reliable than any old "knacker" on the 826/828
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on February 09, 2024, 02:09:33 AM144 wasn't that much more reliable than any old "knacker" on the 826/828
Nicer to travel on though 😜
I have been told this evening that 522 (YX18 KYA) the white Enviro 200 is only at Cannock for around another 2 weeks before it transfers permanently to Longton; I was also told that 572 (CN17 BHE) is also leaving Cannock shortly and that is transferring to Macclesfield.
Were they both used on the 19?
Quote from: ellspurs on February 10, 2024, 08:04:06 PMWere they both used on the 19?
572 crept onto the 19 a handful of times (could be less than that in fact) it also got used on the 36 come to think about it; but it was not regular on either route; same for 522 it was used on the 19 only once and that was a week or so ago
Wonder what the 5 will run off in future, now it won't 'inherit' the vehicle from the 19?
(Could it come off the 70, if it finishes early enough?)
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on February 09, 2024, 02:09:33 AM144 wasn't that much more reliable than any old "knacker" on the 826/828
didnt say it was - try relying on the 826 828 like some of us have to!! a 64 plate 'door forward solo' isnt really investment in some up to date vehicles is it really
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 10, 2024, 07:59:23 PMI have been told this evening that 522 (YX18 KYA) the white Enviro 200 is only at Cannock for around another 2 weeks before it transfers permanently to Longton; I was also told that 572 (CN17 BHE) is also leaving Cannock shortly and that is transferring to Macclesfield.
in the mean time lets keep all the old knackered interurban solos on fleet :undecided:
Quote from: hlliwmai on February 10, 2024, 07:59:23 PMI have been told this evening that 522 (YX18 KYA) the white Enviro 200 is only at Cannock for around another 2 weeks before it transfers permanently to Longton; I was also told that 572 (CN17 BHE) is also leaving Cannock shortly and that is transferring to Macclesfield.
Prob why 572 has had D and G fleetnames since its been there. Wonder if the two e200s used on 19 will stay or leave....
Quote from: solonightrider on February 10, 2024, 11:36:59 PMdidnt say it was - try relying on the 826 828 like some of us have to!! a 64 plate 'door forward solo' isnt really investment in some up to date vehicles is it really
To get "newer" buses it requires money which no one has. Be greatful they actually put a bus on there even it is small. Better than no bus at all
Quote from: Bob on February 10, 2024, 11:54:34 PMProb why 572 has had D and G fleetnames since its been there. Wonder if the two e200s used on 19 will stay or leave....
Is it likely they might bid for some 'safer' TfWM tenders?
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on February 11, 2024, 12:11:48 AMTo get "newer" buses it requires money which no one has. Be greatful they actually put a bus on there even it is small. Better than no bus at all
Yes an often 2 hourly service is a godsend when a 26 seat solo arrives after a long wait 🤣
Quote from: solonightrider on February 10, 2024, 11:36:59 PMdidnt say it was - try relying on the 826 828 like some of us have to!! a 64 plate 'door forward solo' isnt really investment in some up to date vehicles is it really
aren't metrocities way longer than solos
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on February 11, 2024, 01:51:51 PMaren't metrocities way longer than solos
yeah the metrocity is the versa replacement lol
the solo replacement is just the solo SR
A lot of negative comments on here, so thought I'd post my experience.
60 from Lichfield to cannock, had 639, on time, decent driver, etc.
3 from Cannock to Norton canes, had 1 or 2 (the white one) again, on time, decent run
All seemed OK to me fro the day.
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on February 11, 2024, 12:11:48 AMTo get "newer" buses it requires money which no one has. Be greatful they actually put a bus on there even it is small. Better than no bus at all
well it would help having a reliable service that turns up when timetabled, to take said monies ? Lost revenue must be horrendous on this line of interurban busy services - with all the no shows. But im just a paying customer so obviously dont really matter by all accounts.
Quote from: BN on February 11, 2024, 08:00:49 PMA lot of negative comments on here, so thought I'd post my experience.
60 from Lichfield to cannock, had 639, on time, decent driver, etc.
3 from Cannock to Norton canes, had 1 or 2 (the white one) again, on time, decent run
All seemed OK to me fro the day.
639 is a new vehicle and the 3's get the better vehicles too so it would be expected to run smoothly - 74 /826 /828 is the problem vehicle dumping route of late.
I did travel from Stafford [826] last Saturday late afternoon and it was 639 and it is a lovely bus and ideal for interurban routes , cannot say the same on the outward journey though!!! dear me!!
I actually feel sorry for the drivers tbh presented with 'certain' allocations and grief off joe public for missing buses etc, they can only work with what they are provided. There was quite a lot of positive comments to the driver on that 826 on the choice of nice new clean warm vehicle too, so just goes to show folk do notice.
Quote from: BN on February 11, 2024, 08:00:49 PMA lot of negative comments on here, so thought I'd post my experience.
60 from Lichfield to cannock, had 639, on time, decent driver, etc.
3 from Cannock to Norton canes, had 1 or 2 (the white one) again, on time, decent run
All seemed OK to me fro the day.
1 of those two has had the 4 new vehicles, the other has to be euro 6 i think. Mightve been better doing a comparison with the 74 say and 826 828
Anyone know if the 70 now has to be euro 6? Could explain the slightly better buses on there of late. Thank god 132 , which was a regular on it, has gone. Stank of mould that bus did
Quote from: Bob on February 11, 2024, 11:17:43 PMAnyone know if the 70 now has to be euro 6? Could explain the slightly better buses on there of late. Thank god 132 , which was a regular on it, has gone. Stank of mould that bus did
Still can use anything. They have an exemption to not use Euro 6 buses on it
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on February 12, 2024, 12:57:03 AMStill can use anything. They have an exemption to not use Euro 6 buses on it
Is it only till a certain date?
Quote from: solonightrider on February 10, 2024, 11:36:59 PMdidnt say it was - try relying on the 826 828 like some of us have to!! a 64 plate 'door forward solo' isnt really investment in some up to date vehicles is it really
Didn't know optare made a door forward solo
Quote from: Capitalpotter on February 12, 2024, 01:58:11 PMDidn't know optare made a door forward solo
Optare have never made a door forward solo
Quote from: Tony on February 12, 2024, 04:23:50 PMOptare have never made a door forward solo
I know :azn:
dear me lighten up :evil: study a solo and study a metrocity - study a versa, basically the same body in various forms, one had a entry forward of the front wheels 'door forward' and a flat nose and dinky wheels, the other has the door set back behind the front wheels, dinky wheels and is as ugly as hell, and the other has a entry forward of the front wheels 'door forward', dinky wheels and a pointy nose oh and is also ugly as hell :-)
Anything happened with 62 & 144
Quote from: Mayfield on March 06, 2024, 03:28:51 PMAnything happened with 62 & 144
62 has gone away again to actually be worked on this time and 144 is still sitting in a sorry state on the yard
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on March 07, 2024, 12:05:09 AM62 has gone away again to actually be worked on this time and 144 is still sitting in a sorry state on the yard
Jesus they mustve thrown some money at 62. Unlikely 144 will come back then?
Quote from: Bob on March 07, 2024, 06:17:00 AMJesus they mustve thrown some money at 62. Unlikely 144 will come back then?
The last time it got sent away it just sat there. The company couldn't be bothered to look at it and fix it so never got paid for it. Hence why it was away for so long and now been sent away again to actually get fixed. As for 144 they don't know what to do with it atm
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on March 07, 2024, 11:36:18 AMThe last time it got sent away it just sat there. The company couldn't be bothered to look at it and fix it so never got paid for it. Hence why it was away for so long and now been sent away again to actually get fixed. As for 144 they don't know what to do with it atm
144 was actually nice to ride from a passenger point of view. Its a shame that two 64 plate buses are sha##ed 😒
Yesterday Chaserider had two vehicles on rail replacement 641 which was on the Birmingham snow hill to Stourbridge and the second bus was 505 which was working the hendnesford to rugeley Trent valley service.
Surprised to catch D&G Solo 124 MX05ENF on the Chaserider 826 today - sticker saying on hire to chaserider but no working number or destination displays....
Driver pleasant though - are chaserider so short of vehicles that this is out on long journeys ???
Quote from: LNational on March 19, 2024, 06:17:59 PMSurprised to catch D&G Solo 124 MX05ENF on the Chaserider 826 today - sticker saying on hire to chaserider but no working number or destination displays....
Driver pleasant though - are chaserider so short of vehicles that this is out on long journeys ???
That was like the most unreliable Solo ever lol. It went out to replace a breakdown on 70 once and broke down itself
Quote from: LNational on March 19, 2024, 06:17:59 PMSurprised to catch D&G Solo 124 MX05ENF on the Chaserider 826 today - sticker saying on hire to chaserider but no working number or destination displays....
Driver pleasant though - are chaserider so short of vehicles that this is out on long journeys ???
They are extremely short atm
Quote from: LNational on March 19, 2024, 06:17:59 PMSurprised to catch D&G Solo 124 MX05ENF on the Chaserider 826 today - sticker saying on hire to chaserider but no working number or destination displays....
Driver pleasant though - are chaserider so short of vehicles that this is out on long journeys ???
Quote from: Bob on March 19, 2024, 07:04:38 PMThat was like the most unreliable Solo ever lol. It went out to replace a breakdown on 70 once and broke down itself
826/828 is getting worse - The 09.33am 828 from Lichfield never ran today - daily occurance of no shows on 826/828,
Quote from: solonightrider on March 19, 2024, 09:35:13 PM826/828 is getting worse - The 09.33am 828 from Lichfield never ran today - daily occurance of no shows on 826/828,
Nope, looks like there was no bus spare to allocate it as 124 did the 10:50 to cannock in which it was meant to do the 9:33 from Lichfeild. Looks like as soon as 124 arrived it got wizzed up to Stafford to fill the missing bus
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on March 20, 2024, 12:24:22 AMNope, looks like there was no bus spare to allocate it as 124 did the 10:50 to cannock in which it was meant to do the 9:33 from Lichfeild. Looks like as soon as 124 arrived it got wizzed up to Stafford to fill the missing bus
Wonder why theyre so short? They got buses off road or something?
Quote from: Bob on March 20, 2024, 08:44:48 PMWonder why theyre so short? They got buses off road or something?
Aint they always short, for one reason or another, since they started, with the buses breaking down?
Quote from: Westy on March 20, 2024, 09:07:23 PMAint they always short, for one reason or another, since they started, with the buses breaking down?
Last few months they weren't actually short. They had more buses than needed. Then 572 left so 1 bus down. Then 522 went the other day and buses just started developing issues that aren't a quick fix. E.g. 632 brokedown with no transmition power so that'll be off the road for a while now. 625 was off road for MOT and they were painting it in the new livery but getting the paint in meant it'll be off road an extra 3 days and they were 1 bus down. They were only 4 buses down and was still a bus down off the network
Talking of shortage of buses. New arrivals are ex uno Enviro 200 YX67 UYB & YX67 UYA which are apparently new purchases for Chaserider and won't be transfered
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on March 20, 2024, 11:20:56 PMTalking of shortage of buses. New arrivals are ex uno Enviro 200 YX67 UYB & YX67 UYA which are apparently new purchases for Chaserider and won't be transfered
pye green's or 841 getting a upgrade then :police: :police: extra additions or replacing old solos [fingers crossed :-)]
Why is 630 still off the road, it can't take this long to replace/overhaul an engine
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on March 20, 2024, 11:20:56 PMTalking of shortage of buses. New arrivals are ex uno Enviro 200 YX67 UYB & YX67 UYA which are apparently new purchases for Chaserider and won't be transfered
Ex Uno as they have shut their Northampton operations down.
Quote from: Mayfield on March 21, 2024, 07:13:57 AMWhy is 630 still off the road, it can't take this long to replace/overhaul an engine
Engine is being done next week
Have they had to save up over the last 4 months to pay for it
Quote from: Mayfield on March 21, 2024, 05:59:15 PMHave they had to save up over the last 4 months to pay for it
You cannot just go and get an engine off the shelf at the moment unfortunately.
Along with many other vehicle parts there is an 'order time'.
NXWM 6724 has been off the road since September last year purely 'waiting parts' which finally arrived at the beginning of the week and it will hopefully be ready for a return to service tomorrow
Quote from: Mayfield on March 21, 2024, 05:59:15 PMHave they had to save up over the last 4 months to pay for it
198 is gonna take time too. Engine is playing up again so gonna take time to order parts in
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on March 21, 2024, 07:37:52 PM198 is gonna take time too. Engine is playing up again so gonna take time to order parts in
Arent they coming to end of life surely? Theyve never had an internal refurb, nx's newer ones are on their 2nd. I think two of em have already been scrapped
Quote from: Bob on March 21, 2024, 08:35:27 PMArent they coming to end of life surely? Theyve never had an internal refurb, nx's newer ones are on their 2nd. I think two of em have already been scrapped
The plan is too eventually withdraw them but sadly its getting the money to replace them. Only 2 they are keeping for a long while is 192 and 625
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on March 22, 2024, 02:19:17 AMThe plan is too eventually withdraw them but sadly its getting the money to replace them. Only 2 they are keeping for a long while is 192 and 625
Hopefully they replace em with some heavyweights suited to longer distance stuff even 2nd hand
There is now a white Metro city sitting in the delta way yard. Unknown why its there or if it is for Chaserider or D&G
On the Staffs website it says Chaserider is to get new electric buses for the 74 & Select to get new buses for the 875
They seem to have enough trouble with diesels, without adding another power source into the mix!
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on March 22, 2024, 05:56:10 PMThere is now a white Metro city sitting in the delta way yard. Unknown why its there or if it is for Chaserider or D&G
Noticed that earlier, went past on 70
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on March 22, 2024, 02:19:17 AMThe plan is too eventually withdraw them but sadly its getting the money to replace them. Only 2 they are keeping for a long while is 192 and 625
625 a long term thing then despite its age?
Quote from: Bob on March 22, 2024, 10:22:55 PM625 a long term thing then despite its age?
need to keep it for the unreliable vintage bus allocation route between Lichfield & Stafford lol
Quote from: Bob on March 22, 2024, 10:22:55 PM625 a long term thing then despite its age?
Yes it is
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on March 23, 2024, 09:54:58 AMYes it is
625 and 670 already failed on 826/828 thos morning. 187 got whizzed to Rugeley to replace 625
Quote from: Bob on March 23, 2024, 10:58:16 AM625 and 670 already failed on 826/828 thos morning. 187 got whizzed to Rugeley to replace 625
625's doors were "playing up" turned out they were fine
19i should be back out next week all being well. Went out on a test drive this morning
Do you mean 198
Quote from: Mayfield on March 23, 2024, 07:59:20 PMDo you mean 198
Apparently there's a bus 19i now 😂. Yeah I did mean 198 😂
632 now needing a new window as kids threw something at the bus in Aldridge smashing the window
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on March 29, 2024, 01:33:27 AM632 now needing a new window as kids threw something at the bus in Aldridge smashing the window
Yeah was top of barns lane. Could be linked with coalpool incidents, because they can't get the 19 anymore probably going on a little walk into rushall and targeting buses there. A lot more service for them to target there too.
Quote from: Wba_lad on April 02, 2024, 11:04:02 AMYeah was top of barns lane. Could be linked with coalpool incidents, because they can't get the 19 anymore probably going on a little walk into rushall and targeting buses there. A lot more service for them to target there too.
They can get the 19 just Carolean hasn't been targeted yet for some reason, although they are turning there attention to Beechdale now with ASB in Stephenson Square
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on April 02, 2024, 11:38:10 AMThey can get the 19 just Carolean hasn't been targeted yet for some reason, although they are turning there attention to Beechdale now with ASB in Stephenson Square
Carolean probably aren't being targeted because at the moment it's a free service people of the 19 route are probably loving life free bus run, wait untill they start charging that's when they will start getting issues. People be going well you was free before and when they aren't allowed on they it will cause issues.
Quote from: Wba_lad on April 02, 2024, 12:28:30 PMCarolean probably aren't being targeted because at the moment it's a free service people of the 19 route are probably loving life free bus run, wait untill they start charging that's when they will start getting issues. People be going well you was free before and when they aren't allowed on they it will cause issues.
Highly doubt fares or not affect it, NX never got attacked on the 19 they aren't currently being attacked on the 29 that is still using exact fare, what the bus attacks are down to is bored little darlings (being nice) with no care in the world deciding to not be bored by throwing bricks at cars and buses because they haven't got a community centre or stuff to go to probably why there parents sit at home refusing to take them anywhere like say Alton Towers or Cadbury World watching reality TV and only going out when the local pub has the big match on or to get there dole payments. Meanwhile the Council and local MP blame the Bus Companies yet they aren't deterring them.
NX used to have issues on the 34 and 39 in Darlaston you still have pay probably more as well these days then back when they were being attacked, the reason that stopped was because of people deciding to do things not because NX did anything like run free buses. And in all my years of living around Darlaston I haven't of any time apart from maybe once that the 34 or 39 have to divert due to ASB, the once I believe there was a Fight in Hall Street in Rough Hay so the 34 was using Rough Hay Road missing out the top of Hall Street, within half an hour the Police had come and sorted it, Darlaston doesn't even have a Police Station but the residents had reported it as the 34 being diverted had affected them so the Police came the next day they did a patrol. Same for Kings Hill same for anywhere. Bus Fare has nothing to do with it. It's the overall care and attitude of the residents and sadly Blakenall doesn't have a good attitude and very little care
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on April 02, 2024, 01:58:38 PMHighly doubt fares or not affect it, NX never got attacked on the 19 they aren't currently being attacked on the 29 that is still using exact fare, what the bus attacks are down to is bored little darlings (being nice) with no care in the world deciding to not be bored by throwing bricks at cars and buses because they haven't got a community centre or stuff to go to probably why there parents sit at home refusing to take them anywhere like say Alton Towers or Cadbury World watching reality TV and only going out when the local pub has the big match on or to get there dole payments. Meanwhile the Council and local MP blame the Bus Companies yet they aren't deterring them.
NX used to have issues on the 34 and 39 in Darlaston you still have pay probably more as well these days then back when they were being attacked, the reason that stopped was because of people deciding to do things not because NX did anything like run free buses. And in all my years of living around Darlaston I haven't of any time apart from maybe once that the 34 or 39 have to divert due to ASB, the once I believe there was a Fight in Hall Street in Rough Hay so the 34 was using Rough Hay Road missing out the top of Hall Street, within half an hour the Police had come and sorted it, Darlaston doesn't even have a Police Station but the residents had reported it as the 34 being diverted had affected them so the Police came the next day they did a patrol. Same for Kings Hill same for anywhere. Bus Fare has nothing to do with it. It's the overall care and attitude of the residents and sadly Blakenall doesn't have a good attitude and very little care
Blakenall's probably full of dole dossers lol
Quote from: Bob on April 02, 2024, 11:53:47 PMBlakenall's probably full of dole dossers lol
Yes I do believe there is a lot I know people from there who aren't and use the 29 or 19 to get the x51 to work and University or go to Bloxwhich to get it, but I also went to school with people from there who were certainly on Dole money
Anybody any idea what's happened to bus 2 YX65 RWL, appears to be a long term casualty not been out for a month ?
Quote from: Bob on April 02, 2024, 11:53:47 PMBlakenall's probably full of dole dossers lol
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on April 03, 2024, 10:51:10 AMYes I do believe there is a lot I know people from there who aren't and use the 29 or 19 to get the x51 to work and University or go to Bloxwhich to get it, but I also went to school with people from there who were certainly on Dole money
There are high rates of unemployment around other areas of Walsall, Wolverhampton, Cannock and Staffordshire so unsure why there's an inference that being on dole money means you'll be attacking buses.
Any bus route is susceptible to antisocial behaviour - some of Chaserider's other routes operate around areas where unemployment is prevalent, without any instances of ASB.
I am pleased that they have had only very isolated instances of bus damage which should see finances directed to other areas requiring attention.
Twice this week I've used the 35A service. The buses used seemed to be OK. Nice & comfy. Polite & friendly drivers.
Quote from: Wumpty on April 04, 2024, 11:05:01 AMThere are high rates of unemployment around other areas of Walsall, Wolverhampton, Cannock and Staffordshire so unsure why there's an inference that being on dole money means you'll be attacking buses.
Any bus route is susceptible to antisocial behaviour - some of Chaserider's other routes operate around areas where unemployment is prevalent, without any instances of ASB.
I am pleased that they have had only very isolated instances of bus damage which should see finances directed to other areas requiring attention.
Yet weve got loads of vacancies so why are people allowed to live off the taxpayer for years lol
Quote from: Bob on April 04, 2024, 07:50:44 PMYet weve got loads of vacancies so why are people allowed to live off the taxpayer for years lol
Good question, though beyond this thread/forum.
Quote from: Grinder on April 04, 2024, 10:56:22 AMAnybody any idea what's happened to bus 2 YX65 RWL, appears to be a long term casualty not been out for a month ?
I believe it needs a lot of work doing to it, both bus 1 and bus 2 have had a few issues recently, if I remember correctly one of them kept going into limp mode, and losing all of its power. They are one of the oldest enviro 200 MMCs though.
Cannock Bus Station Closure -
From Monday 8th April 2024 between 19:30pm - 05:00am until Friday 26th April 2024 we are unable to access Cannock Bus Station.
Service 74 will alight passengers on A34 Stafford Road (Old Roebuck Inn Pub) .
Service 60 will alight passengers at Avon Road (ASDA Store).
Service 25 & 26 will board and alight passengers at the stop opposite McDonalds (Coniston Way, Lichfield Road Bus Stop).
Quote from: Wba_lad on April 05, 2024, 09:53:49 PMI believe it needs a lot of work doing to it, both bus 1 and bus 2 have had a few issues recently, if I remember correctly one of them kept going into limp mode, and losing all of its power. They are one of the oldest enviro 200 MMCs though.
1 was going into limp mode and losing power. It's back out but is still losing power. No idea what is up with 2 tho
Cannock bus station closed what about the other chaserider services that run from there
Quote from: Solo1 on April 06, 2024, 07:31:04 AMCannock bus station closed what about the other chaserider services that run from there
Are they even running at that time of night? It's only a night closure for those days.
Quote from: ellspurs on April 06, 2024, 07:38:26 AMAre they even running at that time of night? It's only a night closure for those days.
Yes, Chaserider do run at that time.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on April 06, 2024, 05:26:32 PMYes, Chaserider do run at that time.
Sorry, I meant the services that weren't quoted on the diversion information list.
Quote from: ellspurs on April 06, 2024, 05:40:15 PMSorry, I meant the services that weren't quoted on the diversion information list.
As the closure is from 7:30pm, I would assume that any other daytime-only services are not affected.
https://x.com/ChaseriderBus/status/1776367199554318682
Apparently Chaserider have 2 new buses, 328 being a optare solo SR in the new Centrebus orange and blue livery which is apparently on the 60. The second one is 998 which is a scania K230UB Wright Solar but on the DVSA website the vehicle is showing as SORN. Anyone know what these are and if they are true please.
Quote from: Wba_lad on April 11, 2024, 04:43:45 PMApparently Chaserider have 2 new buses, 328 being a optare solo SR in the new Centrebus orange and blue livery which is apparently on the 60. The second one is 998 which is a scania K230UB Wright Solar but on the DVSA website the vehicle is showing as SORN. Anyone know what these are and if they are true please.
Centrebus 747 H6 UHL is also here. Operating onthe 63, seen it in Chadsmoor earlier
Quote from: Wba_lad on April 11, 2024, 04:43:45 PMApparently Chaserider have 2 new buses, 328 being a optare solo SR in the new Centrebus orange and blue livery which is apparently on the 60. The second one is 998 which is a scania K230UB Wright Solar but on the DVSA website the vehicle is showing as SORN. Anyone know what these are and if they are true please.
the solo is ex centrebus north YJ13 HJN
the solar is ex cardiff bus CN58 FFX
the solar is true, saw a photo of it on the facebook group, it does take a while for the website to update sorn status and such.
747s still on 63 seen it again by the shops on pye green road by my mums. Tracking as 541
Quote from: Wba_lad on April 11, 2024, 04:43:45 PMApparently Chaserider have 2 new buses, 328 being a optare solo SR in the new Centrebus orange and blue livery which is apparently on the 60. The second one is 998 which is a scania K230UB Wright Solar but on the DVSA website the vehicle is showing as SORN. Anyone know what these are and if they are true please.
Quote from: Bob on April 11, 2024, 07:10:04 PM747s still on 63 seen it again by the shops on pye green road by my mums. Tracking as 541
60 was one bus short for some period of the day as one evora was whipped off it and put on pye green leaving the 60 1 bus down. also the 63 regular knacked solo failed in Rugeley again,,, causing chaos with the traffic lol . surely they dont need any more poxy solos the ones they have seem to be problomatic on reliablilty - one old solo was towed in also from Uttoxeter last night too as seen it hooked up to a tow truck, 625 seems to of dissapeared aswell unless its finally in the body shop as it looks so unkept externally . Lot of them ex arriva volvo's seem to be constantly failing leaving 2 hour gaps on 826 828 routes too on a regular basis. Hear a rumor the 826 is being dumped soon too guess folk are fed up of being left stranded when the service is failing to operate on regular basis with end of life buses not up to the job.
Quote from: solonightrider on April 11, 2024, 09:41:51 PM60 was one bus short for some period of the day as one evora was whipped off it and put on pye green leaving the 60 1 bus down. also the 63 regular knacked solo failed in Rugeley again,,, causing chaos with the traffic lol . surely they dont need any more poxy solos the ones they have seem to be problomatic on reliablilty - one old solo was towed in also from Uttoxeter last night too as seen it hooked up to a tow truck, 625 seems to of dissapeared aswell unless its finally in the body shop as it looks so unkept externally . Lot of them ex arriva volvo's seem to be constantly failing leaving 2 hour gaps on 826 828 routes too on a regular basis. Hear a rumor the 826 is being dumped soon too guess folk are fed up of being left stranded when the service is failing to operate on regular basis with end of life buses not up to the job.
58 plate Scania pressed into use in cardiff colours. Unusual buy that is
Quote from: Bob on April 11, 2024, 09:45:13 PM58 plate Scania pressed into use in cardiff colours. Unusual buy that is
Quote from: Bob on April 11, 2024, 09:45:13 PM58 plate Scania pressed into use in cardiff colours. Unusual buy that is
Probably keenly priced now as non e6 compliant , and fits the age profile of buses on that set of routes already, but it looks abit tidier than that old white volvo :laugh:
Quote from: solonightrider on April 11, 2024, 09:41:51 PM60 was one bus short for some period of the day as one evora was whipped off it and put on pye green leaving the 60 1 bus down. also the 63 regular knacked solo failed in Rugeley again,,, causing chaos with the traffic lol . surely they dont need any more poxy solos the ones they have seem to be problomatic on reliablilty - one old solo was towed in also from Uttoxeter last night too as seen it hooked up to a tow truck, 625 seems to of dissapeared aswell unless its finally in the body shop as it looks so unkept externally . Lot of them ex arriva volvo's seem to be constantly failing leaving 2 hour gaps on 826 828 routes too on a regular basis. Hear a rumor the 826 is being dumped soon too guess folk are fed up of being left stranded when the service is failing to operate on regular basis with end of life buses not up to the job.
625 is fine now. It had a load of money spent on it doing the panels etc after it had its MOT done
Well 747 is euro 6 so could potentially be used on Walsall stuff.
Ex Birmingham busworks E200 YN11CNY is now on route to Cannock. Unsure if it's for Chaserider or D&G maybe someone can confirm?
Quote from: Wba_lad on April 12, 2024, 10:29:47 AMWell 747 is euro 6 so could potentially be used on Walsall stuff.
You say that but 192 has just gone over there on the 36 lol
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on April 12, 2024, 12:31:17 PMYou say that but the 2nd scania they brought has just gone over there on the 36 lol
Another old 57 plate Cardiff Scania on pye greens. Still got Bws Caerydd decals on it
Quote from: Bob on April 12, 2024, 12:59:21 PMAnother old 57 plate Cardiff Scania on pye greens. Still got Bws Caerydd decals on it
Wait there's 3?
Further acquisition from Birmingham Busworks is ADL Enviro 200, YX11CNY - this had been for test at Chaserider, and after much interest whilst there, was purchased.
QuoteFurther acquisition from Birmingham Busworks is ADL Enviro 200, YX11CNY - this had been for test at Chaserider, and after much interest whilst there, was purchased.
New to First as DML44193
Anyone know if theres any truth in the rumours that the 826 is gonna be axed. Mad to think, back in the day the 825 ( as was) was one of MRN/Arruva's most important routes. They even reibtroduced the expreas version which gave sone of the route 3 buses an hour!
Quote from: Wumpty on April 12, 2024, 03:06:49 PMFurther acquisition from Birmingham Busworks is ADL Enviro 200, YX11CNY - this had been for test at Chaserider, and after much interest whilst there, was purchased.
Was out in service till about 730am. Unless something else is tracking as it
the solo (YJ13 HJN) has now moved up north to high peak after 4 days in staffordshire.
Quote from: Bob on April 15, 2024, 03:11:10 PMWas out in service till about 730am. Unless something else is tracking as it
it was out on the Lichfiel 31 / 32 this afternoon it was tracking as 180 i seen it on Eastern Ave about 450pm ish
There is now a 66 plate ex uno bus and a white solo SR parked on the yard
180 in Wednesfield High Street and sounds like a Boeing 737 trying to take off!
Quote180 in Wednesfield High Street and sounds like a Boeing 737 trying to take off!
Classic, Next Gen or MAX ??
Quote from: Isle of Stroma on April 16, 2024, 06:00:58 PMClassic, Next Gen or MAX ??
Lets hope the doors or whatever stop on, compared to a 'proper' Boeing!
I believe the new green enviro 200, 581 YX11 CNY, is out today but it's tracking as 180 again even though it is on the Chaserider system and can track as it's given fleet number.
Quote from: Isle of Stroma on April 16, 2024, 06:00:58 PMClassic, Next Gen or MAX ??
737-204 to be precise.
Last time I heard anything quite like it was G-BHWF Britannia Airways!
Are the ex Arriva Volvos on the way out? Only two out of the 6 remaining are in use atm.
Quote from: Bob on April 20, 2024, 11:35:39 AMAre the ex Arriva Volvos on the way out? Only two out of the 6 remaining are in use atm.
I've noticed that this week there seems to be fewer out
Chaserider was on rail replacement this morning running from Birmingham new street to Walsall stopping at duddeston, Aston, witton, Perry Barr, hamstead, tame bridge parkway, bescot stadium and Walsall. 64 was tracking on it but it was 638 running it instead.
Quote from: Capitalpotter on April 20, 2024, 03:28:02 PMI've noticed that this week there seems to be fewer out
Massive backlog of buses to be repaired atm that's why
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on April 21, 2024, 10:24:17 PMMassive backlog of buses to be repaired atm that's why
Yes, 630 is off the road needing a new engine, 641 is not off the road due to a RTC, 625 is off the road for some reason, 506 keeps having issues where it is ridiculously slow. 505 keeps deciding it don't like the belts. 631 also having some issue I think the gearbox is on its way out on that one as takes forever to get from 0-30. Which leaves Walsall in a bit of a mess really, as it has to be euro 6 but 799 drivers hate it on Walsall routes because it's a pain to get out of the bus station, which really only leaves them with 632, 168, 610 and 64. One thing I don't get Telford branded vehicles are not allowed in Stafford as the Telford mayor or councillor lives there and don't like to see the vehicles he pays for Telford work in his home area. However also transport for West Midlands don't seem to like Telford branded vehicles in Walsall either but if that's the only euro 6 vehicles Chaserider have available in depot then they should be allowed to send them down. The evoras really do Walsall work either because they are always allocated to the 60s. However if I was Chaserider when they are in a little bit of a mess finding euro 6 buses I would allocate anything to the 60 as there is no requirement for the 60 and being the evoras down to Walsall. 747 which is currently on loan to Chaserider too that is euro 6 but Chaserider don't seem to be aware of it, it would be nice to see it down in Walsall before it returns off loan.
aint the 2 new on fleet 67 plate e200s euro 6 then if so they are being wasted on 841 & 432 they could be on the 35a 36 and get them big volvo's on to 74 826 828 circuit to releive some of the old heaps off there that constantly fail most days
Seems daft putting the freshly re painted bigger stuff on narrow county lanes over uttox area to gat all bashed and scraped up. 99 seems to be took off 841 432 and put on 74 826 828 - they dont seem to ever put owt decent on 74 826 828 all the oldest unreliable scrag end tat they can find.
Quote from: solonightrider on April 22, 2024, 11:44:01 PMaint the 2 new on fleet 67 plate e200s euro 6 then if so they are being wasted on 841 & 432 they could be on the 35a 36 and get them big volvo's on to 74 826 828 circuit to releive some of the old heaps off there that constantly fail most days
Seems daft putting the freshly re painted bigger stuff on narrow county lanes over uttox area to gat all bashed and scraped up. 99 seems to be took off 841 432 and put on 74 826 828 - they dont seem to ever put owt decent on 74 826 828 all the oldest unreliable scrag end tat they can find.
No, they're Euro 5. Only E200MMC's are Euro 6.
Quote from: solonightrider on April 22, 2024, 11:44:01 PMaint the 2 new on fleet 67 plate e200s euro 6 then if so they are being wasted on 841 & 432 they could be on the 35a 36 and get them big volvo's on to 74 826 828 (tel:74%20826%20828) circuit to releive some of the old heaps off there that constantly fail most days
Seems daft putting the freshly re painted bigger stuff on narrow county lanes over uttox area to gat all bashed and scraped up. 99 seems to be took off 841 432 and put on 74 826 828 - they dont seem to ever put owt decent on 74 826 828 (tel:74%20826%20828) all the oldest unreliable scrag end tat they can find.
Quote from: winston on April 22, 2024, 11:47:30 PMNo, they're Euro 5. Only E200MMC's are Euro 6.
Yes 497 and 498 are both euro 6 along with 505 and 506.
Quote from: Wba_lad on April 23, 2024, 01:25:34 PMYes 497 and 498 are both euro 6 along with 505 and 506.
They weren't Euro 6 from new, so must have been retrofitted Euro 6.
Quote from: winston on April 23, 2024, 02:03:10 PMThey weren't Euro 6 from new, so must have been retrofitted Euro 6.
According to the VRM lookup software we use at work, 467 comes up as Euro4, so will have been retrofitted.
(There must be a separate flag/indicator in the DVLA data that shows if a vehicle has been upgraded to better standards. Our software only shows the Euro standard the vehicle was originally registered with it seems)
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Quote from: Stu on April 23, 2024, 07:10:04 PMAccording to the VRM lookup software we use at work, 467 comes up as Euro4, so will have been retrofitted.
(There must be a separate flag/indicator in the DVLA data that shows if a vehicle has been upgraded to better standards. Our software only shows the Euro standard the vehicle was originally registered with it seems)
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It comes up on the 'Brum Breathes' website as 'no charge' which is usually a good sign a bus has had a euro 6 exhaust fitted.
It was not possible to fit a Euro 6 engine in the engine bay of a standard E200 or E400, so any that are Euro 6 will retain their original engine with a new exhaust system fitted.
id of thought that a 67 plate would be euro 6 as most manufacturers were building vehicles to euro 6 from 2015/16. it definitely wouldnt be euro 4, possibly euro 5
Quote from: mranon on April 24, 2024, 07:40:15 AMid of thought that a 67 plate would be euro 6 as most manufacturers were building vehicles to euro 6 from 2015/16. it definitely wouldnt be euro 4, possibly euro 5
Just because it's a 67 plate doesn't mean it was built in 2017
Quote from: mranon on April 24, 2024, 07:40:15 AMid of thought that a 67 plate would be euro 6 as most manufacturers were building vehicles to euro 6 from 2015/16. it definitely wouldnt be euro 4, possibly euro 5
As I & Tony have already stated, Euro 6 E200's began with the MMC's, the original style E200's can't accommodate Euro 6 engines, registration plates are irrelevant.
Ex Whippet E200 seen in Chaserider's garage this morning in blue/yellow livery - new purchase perhaps?
Could be at chaserider for MOT
Quote from: Wumpty on April 26, 2024, 03:39:56 PMEx Whippet E200 seen in Chaserider's garage this morning in blue/yellow livery - new purchase perhaps?
Could be but also Fridays are MOT day there too so could be there for MOT as well
Birmngham Busworks there for MOT
So after all the confusion there is a 57 plate Scania Solar
Also 506 has now transferred to high peak
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on May 01, 2024, 08:41:20 PMSo after all the confusion there is a 57 plate Scania Solar
Also 506 has now transferred to high peak
Yeah. I saw it like 2 or 3 fridays ago. The one day it was used
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on May 01, 2024, 08:41:20 PMSo after all the confusion there is a 57 plate Scania Solar
Also 506 has now transferred to high peak
so swap 506 for a older 57 plate bus lol - 641 seems to of dissapeared too recently.
Quote from: Bob on May 01, 2024, 08:59:41 PMYeah. I saw it like 2 or 3 fridays ago. The one day it was used
It was just weird how you seen it then no one ever seen it again lol
Quote from: solonightrider on May 01, 2024, 09:07:22 PMso swap 506 for a older 57 plate bus lol - 641 seems to of dissapeared too recently.
RTC damage. Won't be on the road anytime soon
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on May 01, 2024, 10:29:37 PMIt was just weird how you seen it then no one ever seen it again lol
It was a 1 day use apparently. It was on a 25 coming into Cannock by Maccies. Arent there like 6 of them Scanias parked up? Might be more than one 07/57
Quote from: Bob on May 02, 2024, 04:12:30 PMIt was a 1 day use apparently. It was on a 25 coming into Cannock by Maccies. Arent there like 6 of them Scanias parked up? Might be more than one 07/57
They weren't there when I was there on Saturday. Only buses parked up were the 2 red scanias 704 & 748 and 191
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on May 02, 2024, 05:36:41 PMThey weren't there when I was there on Saturday. Only buses parked up were the 2 red scanias 704 & 748 and 191
Ohhhh fair enough
Would Chaserider accept Nbus between Walsall and Lichfield if I have it issued on an NXWM bus If not how much would an Adult Daysaver or Return from Walsall to Lichfield be
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on May 02, 2024, 09:05:40 PMWould Chaserider accept Nbus between Walsall and Lichfield if I have it issued on an NXWM bus If not how much would an Adult Daysaver or Return from Walsall to Lichfield be
Errrm like 2 pound there 2 pound back like most fqres in the country. Used to get annbus on X51 inCannock but everytine i askfor one now the ticket says Daysaver Extra...not a clue what that even is
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on May 02, 2024, 09:05:40 PMWould Chaserider accept Nbus between Walsall and Lichfield if I have it issued on an NXWM bus If not how much would an Adult Daysaver or Return from Walsall to Lichfield be
nBus is only valid within the TfWM travel area, which Lichfield is not part of.
Single fares are still capped at £2, so you could make a return journey on a Chaserider service for £4.
Quote from: Bob on May 02, 2024, 09:37:21 PMErrrm like 2 pound there 2 pound back like most fqres in the country. Used to get annbus on X51 inCannock but everytine i askfor one now the ticket says Daysaver Extra...not a clue what that even is
Supposed to be the ticket that is only valid on Nx services, if you board out of county to go into the Wm area & you cant use on any other operator in the Wm county.
(See my post in the Tickets thread in General Discussion, where I quoted X3 driver Mark Fitchew, for further information!)
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on May 01, 2024, 08:41:20 PMSo after all the confusion there is a 57 plate Scania Solar
Also 506 has now transferred to high peak
506 has not transferred to high peak, it's only on loan to high peak, it will return back to Chaserider soon. I mean they can keep it if they want and send a better euro 6 bus in return. It's a shame Chaserider can't keep 747 that is euro 6 too, so could be used on Walsall routes and the 5.
Do the tenders for the 3 and 5 specify Euro 6? If so theyve failed miserably with the 5... old Solos, setiously ? Lol
Quote from: Stu on May 02, 2024, 09:40:58 PMnBus is only valid within the TfWM travel area, which Lichfield is not part of.
Single fares are still capped at £2, so you could make a return journey on a Chaserider service for £4.
Some of the 36 drivers are quite nice and accept the nbus ticket in Lichfield
Quote from: Bob on May 02, 2024, 10:58:30 PMDo the tenders for the 3 and 5 specify Euro 6? If so theyve failed miserably with the 5... old Solos, setiously ? Lol
The Wolverhampton 5 is a euro 6 contract yeah, and I know they always putting non euro 6 buses on there, I don't think the 3 is a euro 6 contract as it's not in the TFWM zone long enough. I think the problem with the 5 is sometimes the driver takes anything, most the time the drivers seem to take the enviro 200s 505 and 506 and sometimes 497 and 498, or a Telford bus is used.
Vehicles noted at, not necessarily operating for, Chaserider yesterday at 10.10hrs:
FM11EJD Mercedes Benz Citaro Branded as a training bus
YX09FMG Enviro 200
B6WER Scania K230UB Wright Solar
FJ58HYW Volvo B7RLE Wright Eclipse Urban (rear damage)
PJZ9450 Volvo B7TL Plaxton President
YJ16DSO Optare Metrocity
FJ58HYX Volvo B7RLE Wright Eclipse Urban
Bus 51 Heavy front RTA damage
2x UID Optare Metrocity in white
Bus 144 Front panel missing
These are just observations as of yesterday. Seems to be a few others buried I couldn't make out.
Quote from: Westy on May 02, 2024, 10:09:39 PMSupposed to be the ticket that is only valid on Nx services, if you board out of county to go into the Wm area & you cant use on any other operator in the Wm county.
(See my post in the Tickets thread in General Discussion, where I quoted X3 driver Mark Fitchew, for further information!)
He said that Perry Barr Drivers accept Nbus in Lichfield so hopefully WA Drivers the only negative although I was probably gonna stick with NX anyway is that I couldn't use another operator.
I was merely looking at options but I reckon it is fine getting back to Darlo at around half Severn anyway. It was just looking at options I always look at options for every journey.
Quote from: Wba_lad on May 03, 2024, 08:21:04 AMThe Wolverhampton 5 is a euro 6 contract yeah, and I know they always putting non euro 6 buses on there, I don't think the 3 is a euro 6 contract as it's not in the TFWM zone long enough. I think the problem with the 5 is sometimes the driver takes anything, most the time the drivers seem to take the enviro 200s 505 and 506 and sometimes 497 and 498, or a Telford bus is used.
167 has been on there Tues and Thurs, surely thats breaching the tender conditions
Quote from: Wumpty on May 03, 2024, 10:09:07 AMVehicles noted at, not necessarily operating for, Chaserider yesterday at 10.10hrs:
FM11EJD Mercedes Benz Citaro Branded as a training bus
YX09FMG Enviro 200
B6WER Scania K230UB Wright Solar
FJ58HYW Volvo B7RLE Wright Eclipse Urban (rear damage)
PJZ9450 Volvo B7TL Plaxton President
YJ16DSO Optare Metrocity
FJ58HYX Volvo B7RLE Wright Eclipse Urban
Bus 51 Heavy front RTA damage
2x UID Optare Metrocity in white
Bus 144 Front panel missing
These are just observations as of yesterday. Seems to be a few others buried I couldn't make out.
169 hadnt been used for a bit. No idea why though
Quote from: Wumpty on May 03, 2024, 10:09:07 AMVehicles noted at, not necessarily operating for, Chaserider yesterday at 10.10hrs:
FM11EJD Mercedes Benz Citaro Branded as a training bus
YX09FMG Enviro 200
B6WER Scania K230UB Wright Solar
FJ58HYW Volvo B7RLE Wright Eclipse Urban (rear damage)
PJZ9450 Volvo B7TL Plaxton President
YJ16DSO Optare Metrocity
FJ58HYX Volvo B7RLE Wright Eclipse Urban
Bus 51 Heavy front RTA damage
2x UID Optare Metrocity in white
Bus 144 Front panel missing
These are just observations as of yesterday. Seems to be a few others buried I couldn't make out.
FJ58 HYW has been withdrawn for a long time now same with bus 51 and 144
Bus 1 has broke down again today on Walsall services, 638 has been pulled of the 60 to replace it, bus 1 and bus 2 keep causing Chaserider issues, i bet they would love to get rid of them to Centrebus or D&G.
Quote from: Wba_lad on May 03, 2024, 12:55:19 PMBus 1 has broke down again today on Walsall services, 638 has been pulled of the 60 to replace it, bus 1 and bus 2 keep causing Chaserider issues, i bet they would love to get rid of them to Centrebus or D&G.
799 either broke or got took off 70, on plus side a B8 Evolution replaced it
Quote from: Bob on May 03, 2024, 01:58:11 PM799 either broke or got took off 70, on plus side a B8 Evolution replaced it
I wouldn't say 631 is a plus side lol
Quote from: Bob on May 03, 2024, 10:16:04 AM167 has been on there Tues and Thurs, surely thats breaching the tender conditions
I believe its okay to use a non-compliant bus but they have to pay a fine. It very much depends upon the terms of the contract.
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on May 03, 2024, 10:13:06 AMHe said that Perry Barr Drivers accept Nbus in Lichfield so hopefully WA Drivers the only negative although I was probably gonna stick with NX anyway is that I couldn't use another operator.
I was merely looking at options but I reckon it is fine getting back to Darlo at around half Severn anyway. It was just looking at options I always look at options for every journey.
Has it been said WA drivers are not accepting Nbus in Lichfield?
If I bought one on the 31 / 32, how's the driver going to know I was going to Lichfield?
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on May 03, 2024, 02:32:10 PMI wouldn't say 631 is a plus side lol
Quote from: Wba_lad on May 03, 2024, 12:55:19 PMBus 1 has broke down again today on Walsall services, 638 has been pulled of the 60 to replace it, bus 1 and bus 2 keep causing Chaserider issues, i bet they would love to get rid of them to Centrebus or D&G.
If the same vehicles keep breaking down isn't time to look at the engineering dept
Quote from: Westy on May 03, 2024, 05:48:45 PMHas it been said WA drivers are not accepting Nbus in Lichfield?
If I bought one on the 31 / 32, how's the driver going to know I was going to Lichfield?
No I just know he said Perry Barr Drivers accept it and I think that means Walsall might accept them to
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on May 03, 2024, 08:23:10 PMNo I just know he said Perry Barr Drivers accept it and I think that means Walsall might accept them to
What's with all this about?
NXWM accept Nbus on all their services as has been said on here several time. It not up to driver
Quote from: Tony on May 03, 2024, 08:49:50 PMWhat's with all this about?
NXWM accept Nbus on all their services as has been said on here several time. It not up to driver
Well, I thought asking Mark Fitchew what he issued & when might settle the question once & for all!
Quote from: Westy on May 03, 2024, 09:26:32 PMWell, I thought asking Mark Fitchew what he issued & when might settle the question once & for all!
I've answered the question why don't you believe me?
Nbus is valid on all NXWM services, is that difficult to understand.
The daysaver extra is sold outside the WM county because you can only buy nBus within the West Midlands
Quote from: Tony on May 03, 2024, 08:49:50 PMWhat's with all this about?
NXWM accept Nbus on all their services as has been said on here several time. It not up to driver
I used to be able to buy an Nbus onX51 in Cannock at least a few months ago but if you ask for one nowits the daysave extra that comes out the ticket machine
Quote from: Bob on May 03, 2024, 10:11:47 PMI used to be able to buy an Nbus onX51 in Cannock at least a few months ago but if you ask for one nowits the daysave extra that comes out the ticket machine
Because as
@Tony has said a fair few times now outside Nbus area you can't buy it and Cannock isn't within the Nbus zone now it may of been before but it isn't now meaning it's the daysaver Extra which is issues in this area.
When bus goes outside the tfwm land the nbus goes off the ticket machine so you cannot get a nbus it is replaced with daysaver extra so that is what you get and visa versa
Quote from: karl724223 on May 04, 2024, 05:34:32 AMWhen bus goes outside the tfwm land the nbus goes off the ticket machine so you cannot get a nbus it is replaced with daysaver extra so that is what you get and visa versa
Witchcraft!
Quote from: Wba_lad on May 03, 2024, 10:44:08 PMBecause as @Tony has said a fair few times now outside Nbus area you can't buy it and Cannock isn't within the Nbus zone now it may of been before but it isn't now meaning it's the daysaver Extra which is issues in this area.
Is it usable only on NX buses?
Quote from: Bob on May 04, 2024, 10:59:47 AMIs it usable only on NX buses?
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=6490.285#:~:text=Show%20IP%20address-,%23294,-April%2005%2C%202024
Post 294 !
Quote from: Bob on May 04, 2024, 10:59:47 AMIs it usable only on NX buses?
All buses from all operators in TFWM land and all NX only buses out of TFWM land
Back on topic now please, there are other threads to ask questions about NX tickets!
Well I got there fine with my Nbus ticket from Darlo noticed YX63 that is usually on the 35A was On the 36 and at about 17:50-6PM there was a 73 plate B8 I assume on the 60 later that according to the timetable left at 18:25. It didn't leave from Lichfield at 18:25 it left from just before Burntwood at 18:35 856 Departed 1 minute before it which was the bus I was on, I also the YX68 Travel Telford E200MMC on the 60 at 17:55