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Title: Arriva selling depot
Post by: Solo1 on June 25, 2016, 06:25:20 AM
Is there any truth in arriva Midlands  selling a depot apart
from Burton a former midland red one I have been told
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: Cheese on June 25, 2016, 08:27:47 AM
Quote from: Solo1 on June 25, 2016, 06:25:20 AM
Is there any truth in arriva Midlands  selling a depot apart
from Burton a former midland red one I have been told

Stafford and Wednesfield? September?
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: Bob on June 25, 2016, 09:20:34 AM
Not Cannock then?Selling Stafford wouldn't be like losing an operation if routes etc went to Cannock whereas Wednesfield  would
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: winston on June 25, 2016, 10:10:16 AM
Quote from: Cheese on June 25, 2016, 08:27:47 AM
Stafford and Wednesfield? September?

Stafford is just a token op these days, the only operator I would have thought that would be interested in Stafford would be D&G Bus.

Wednesfield would depend what routes would be included in the deal, I very much doubt the Centro tenders are worth much, probably the opposite for the ones secured in 2012 on a 5 year basis
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: Bob on June 25, 2016, 10:25:28 AM
Could be Cannock though. Given the moving out of buses specifically purchased for upgrade etc and replacement with old vehicles would suggest it's not making much  money
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: winston on June 25, 2016, 10:28:02 AM
Quote from: Bob on June 25, 2016, 10:25:28 AM
Could be Cannock though. Given the moving out of buses specifically purchased for upgrade etc and replacement with old vehicles would suggest it's not making much  money

They would probably get more for the Stafford ops if it came as a package complete with Cannock.
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: Bob on June 25, 2016, 10:41:12 AM
Well yea and Stafford technically don't exist no more
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: BN on June 25, 2016, 02:58:02 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on June 25, 2016, 06:25:20 AM
Is there any truth in arriva Midlands  selling a depot apart
from Burton a former midland red one I have been told

No Arriva Midlands site is being sold apart from the 1 the company is in talks about to close the deal.
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: Steveminor on June 25, 2016, 08:50:14 PM
That's not what I hear from a very reliable source. However since this is commercially sensitive information I will not reveal it.
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: SG on June 25, 2016, 11:41:59 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on June 25, 2016, 08:50:14 PM
That's not what I hear from a very reliable source. However since this is commercially sensitive information I will not reveal it.

I'd agree with BN, he's probably one of the most credible Arriva sources.
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: markcf83 on June 26, 2016, 02:24:34 PM
Wouldn't it be wise to wait for official confirmation from Arriva as to what they intend to do? Speculation is just daft.
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: Bob on June 26, 2016, 02:28:08 PM
BN you said site, by site do you mean site and operation?
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: mranon on June 26, 2016, 09:08:17 PM
is wednesfield site owned or leased/rented?
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: LG on June 28, 2016, 08:28:02 PM
Tamworth maybe?
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: winston on June 28, 2016, 10:42:30 PM
Quote from: LG on June 28, 2016, 08:28:02 PM
Tamworth maybe?

Why would Arriva want to dispose of one of their better performing depots?
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: Bob on June 29, 2016, 06:10:16 AM
Exactly if anything it'd be a crap performing one like Cannock if it was gonna be one
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: andy41 on June 29, 2016, 09:12:38 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 28, 2016, 10:42:30 PM
Why would Arriva want to dispose of one of their better performing depots?

That may be the very attraction of selling it. They appear to be desperate to raise capital and they could probably get much better money for this than anywhere else. Who knows.
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: Bob on June 29, 2016, 09:24:45 PM
Would they want to keep poorly performing garages instead though?
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: BK63 YWP on June 29, 2016, 09:26:18 PM
Quote from: Bob on June 29, 2016, 06:10:16 AM
Exactly if anything it'd be a crap performing one like Cannock if it was gonna be one

Not trying to start an argument @Bob but on the off chance it's Cannock you got to think who would buy it, what implications would happen to the routes around Cannock and if the current fleet would be part of the deal?

Say for example Stagecoach buy it would they cascade darts (your favourite vehicle of complaint) or would they invest in newer (E200s mk1s, Optare solos or even brand new (probably next year's order perhaps)

Just be grateful that you HAVE a bus service rather than nothing at all.
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: Bob on June 29, 2016, 09:39:21 PM
Stagecoach wouldn't want it. And even if nx wanted some routes I'd imagine they'd just run ones that enter Walsall and Wolves etc from the respective garages
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: winston on June 29, 2016, 09:44:57 PM
Quote from: andy41 on June 29, 2016, 09:12:38 PM
That may be the very attraction of selling it. They appear to be desperate to raise capital and they could probably get much better money for this than anywhere else. Who knows.

Although I can see you're point with their parent companies fund raising needs to reduce debt, I doubt an op the size of Tamworth would raise sizeable funds to make it a consideration. It would also take a large chunk of profit from the rest of Arriva Midlands making the likes of Wednesfield, Stafford & Cannock even more vunerable
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: BK63 YWP on June 29, 2016, 09:54:26 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 29, 2016, 09:44:57 PM
Although I can see you're point with their parent companies fund raising needs to reduce debt, I doubt an op the size of Tamworth would raise sizeable funds to make it a consideration. It would also take a large chunk of profit from the rest of Arriva Midlands making the likes of Wednesfield, Stafford & Cannock even more vunerable

Is there any commercial routea from  Wednesfield. I would be surprised if the routes are absorbed by NX, Igo and Diamond. Maybe extend the X51 to cover the 1&2 (is these routes well used or would a 30 mins frequency on an extended X51 cope)
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: Bob on June 29, 2016, 10:39:40 PM
An hourly double decked frequency of the X51 would cope with maybe a half hourly peak. An hourly service to Wolves would likely cope as well. An hourly service on most Cannock routes would suffice to be fair and possibly half hourly to Pye Green and Hednesford
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: Westy on June 29, 2016, 10:50:48 PM
You'd need at least 2 routes for Cannock to Walsall.
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: Bob on June 30, 2016, 06:23:07 AM
Why the 2 is never very busy
Title: Re: Arriva selling depot
Post by: Busman Jamie on June 30, 2016, 10:23:29 AM
I think he means a bus between cannock and Walsall is needed to serve Landywood/Cheslyn Hay