On Saturday 28th February 2015, at 2359 hrs Rotala Plc completed the acquisition of the entire share capital of Green Triangle Buses Ltd.
Upon acquisition the current Directors will resign; Simon Dunn, Kim Taylor, Bob Dunn and Antony Goozee will be appointed Directors of the new acquisition. The legal entity name will be changed to Diamond Bus (North West Ltd) and over the medium term the intention is to rebrand the business.
The new acquisition will form part of the Rotala Plc North West Division. Consequently it will be supported by the Preston Bus business and Bob Dunn will become the Managing Director.
Rotala Plc sees this opportunity as an entrance route into the Greater Manchester market, and it leaves the group well positioned for future market developments and potential opportunities.
Although the acquisition does not represent a material transaction to Rotala, it will be notified to the London Stock Exchange before the market opens on Monday.
Nice to see diamond expanding into the north, good luck to them.
Wasn't Green Triangle part of D&G Group? Wonder if they'll sell next
Yes it was owned by D&G. The 2 E200s they use on the 877/8 were given by Ensign as sold to Green Triangle.
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They have recently registered a route into Manchester , presumably on re-tender.
Fleetlist here, for anyone interested. The fleetlist currently shows 45 buses on fleet strength.
It's good to see Rotala making an acquisition, however, from the statement 'Although the acquisition does not represent a material transaction to Rotala' that suggests that little or no money has changed hands due to the business either being loss making or carrying a large amount of debt
Absoutely brilliant great to see Rotala expand and hopefully see the Diamond brand expand into the north west. I think it will be an excellent opportunity for expansion into the Manchester market!!
Seem to have a good fleet for me personally nice to see scanias and optare tempo's hopefully some of the tempos and wright bodied buses move to other parts of Rotala and maybe some darts send to SLT!!
Quote from: bwsau cymru on March 01, 2015, 03:04:29 PM
Absoutely brilliant great to see Rotala expand and hopefully see the Diamond brand expand into the north west. I think it will be an excellent opportunity for expansion into the Manchester market!!
Seem to have a good fleet for me personally nice to see scanias and optare tempo's hopefully some of the tempos and wright bodied buses move to other parts of Rotala and maybe some darts send to SLT!!
There may be a bit more opportunity in NW Manchester to expand, but Rotala will be flanked by Stagecoach in Wigan & both Arriva & First in Bolton. Stagecoach Manchester have gobbled up quite a few Manchester independents of late. Jim Stones of Leigh might be a useful bolt-on acquisition to add to the newly acquired network of routes or if Rosso or Warrington BT were ever put up for sale.
Don't forget Rotala sold the ex Ludlows Scania/Wright Access-Ultralows & Solars
Quote from: Winston on March 01, 2015, 03:33:31 PM
Quote from: bwsau cymru on March 01, 2015, 03:04:29 PM
Absoutely brilliant great to see Rotala expand and hopefully see the Diamond brand expand into the north west. I think it will be an excellent opportunity for expansion into the Manchester market!!
Seem to have a good fleet for me personally nice to see scanias and optare tempo's hopefully some of the tempos and wright bodied buses move to other parts of Rotala and maybe some darts send to SLT!!
There may be a bit more opportunity in NW Manchester to expand, but Rotala will be flanked by Stagecoach in Wigan & both Arriva & First in Bolton. Stagecoach Manchester have gobbled up quite a few Manchester independents of late. Jim Stones of Leigh might be a useful bolt-on acquisition to add to the newly acquired network of routes or if Rosso or Warrington BT were ever put up for sale.
Don't forget Rotala sold the ex Ludlows Scania/Wright Access-Ultralows & Solars
Rotala are either very brave or very foolish to go into that area,never a huge money spinner in the past.
Good luck to them,but they could ,if they make much progress,find themselves overwhelmed by Stagecoach or First the former particularly don't pussyfoot about if they ever feel threatened.
Suppose it all depends on what they paid (if anything) and how carefully they tread............still,best of luck Rotala.
Rotala Green triangle Acquisition RNS:
http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/news/market-news/market-news-detail/12265376.html
Wonder if they will rebrand the fleet
as diamond bus in Manchester or leave it as it is as SLT
Quote from: Solo1 on March 02, 2015, 11:00:05 AM
Wonder if they will rebrand the fleet
as diamond bus in Manchester or leave it as it is as SLT
Wonder no more, it is confirmed in the statement Tony originally posted:
The legal entity name will be changed to Diamond Bus (North West Ltd)
and over the medium term the intention is to rebrand the business.From Yahoo Groups:
Two ex D&G red liveried scanias have made the return journey from Crewe, 130 YN04GMV and 131 YN04GMX, these should see service today
Dave F--------------------------------------------------
Added to this is that the recent batch of E200s that SLT had for their 635 service were yesterday outputted on various services including Leigh Circulars and were back in depot for 18:30 and have now or are in the process of being transferred to D&G Crewe
Andrew
Looks as though at least two 64 plate SLT E200's have been swapped for 2 x 04 plate Scania Omnicities from D&G
And all 4 E200s are listed as added to the D&G fleet on their website
Acquired fleet is
20709 EK51XXC Dennis Dart SLF Plaxton Pointer 2
20710 EK51XXD Dennis Dart SLF Plaxton Pointer 2
20711 EK51XXE Dennis Dart SLF Plaxton Pointer 2
20712 EK51XXF Dennis Dart SLF Plaxton Pointer 2
20713 EK51XXG Dennis Dart SLF Plaxton Pointer 2
20714 EK51XXL Dennis Dart SLF Plaxton Pointer 2
20715 EK51XXM Dennis Dart SLF Plaxton Pointer 2
20716 ME52BLU Dennis Dart SLF Plaxton Pointer 2
20717 MG53BLU Dennis Dart SLF Plaxton Pointer 2
20718 MH53BLU Dennis Dart SLF Plaxton Pointer 2
20719 K40SLT Optare Solo M950 Optare
20720 MX58ACF Optare Solo M880SL Optare
20721 K2SLT Optare Solo M950 Optare
20722 YJ57EKH Optare Solo Optare
20723 YJ57EKK Optare Solo Optare
20724 YJ57XWO Optare Solo Optare
20725 K16SLT Optare Solo M950SL Optare
20726 K17SLT Optare Solo M950SL Optare
20727 K18SLT Optare Solo M950SL Optare
20728 YJ54UWO Optare Solo M950 Optare
20729 K50SLT Optare Solo M950 Optare
20730 Y66SLT Dennis Dart SLF Plaxton Pointer 2
20731 Y77SLT Dennis Dart SLF Plaxton Pointer 2
21502 W55SLT Dennis Dart SLF Plaxton Pointer 2
21503 M99SLT Dennis Dart SLF Plaxton Pointer 2
21504 W187YBN Dennis Dart SLF Plaxton Pointer 2
30530 YN04GMU Scania Omnicity
30531 YN04GMV Scania Omnicity
30532 YN04GMX Scania Omnicity
30533 M222SLT MAN A22 Wright Meridian
30534 M333SLT MAN A22 Wright Meridian
30535 M444SLT MAN A22 Wright Meridian
30536 M555SLT MAN A22 Wright Meridian
30537 T700SLT Optare Tempo X1060 Optare
30538 T800SLT Optare Tempo X1060 Optare
30539 T900SLT Optare Tempo X1060 Optare
30540 T100SLT Optare Tempo X1060 Optare
30541 S600SLT Scania CK230UB Sca Omnilink
30542 S400SLT Scania CN94UB Sca Omnicity
31000 T375JWA Scania L94UB Wt Axcess
31001 W396PRC Scania L94UB Wt Axcess
31002 W397PRC Scania L94UB Wt Axcess
31003 W398PRC Scania L94UB Wt Axcess
I couldn't help but wonder when I read about this takeover last night if some of the old Kidderminster or Redditch stuff will head north and some of the SLT fleet mentioned above will come to Kidder/Redditch?.. hmm I'm intrigued
Quote from: Will on March 02, 2015, 01:30:41 PM
I couldn't help but wonder when I read about this takeover last night if some of the old Kidderminster or Redditch stuff will head north and some of the SLT fleet mentioned above will come to Kidder/Redditch?.. hmm I'm intrigued
Doubt it will with it being managed by preston
Quote from: Cedric on March 02, 2015, 07:37:57 PM
Quote from: Will on March 02, 2015, 01:30:41 PM
I couldn't help but wonder when I read about this takeover last night if some of the old Kidderminster or Redditch stuff will head north and some of the SLT fleet mentioned above will come to Kidder/Redditch?.. hmm I'm intrigued
Doubt it will with it being managed by preston
would've been good if long acre took a few buses like 4 SL64 E200s for any other routes
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on March 03, 2015, 06:07:32 PM
Quote from: Cedric on March 02, 2015, 07:37:57 PM
Quote from: Will on March 02, 2015, 01:30:41 PM
I couldn't help but wonder when I read about this takeover last night if some of the old Kidderminster or Redditch stuff will head north and some of the SLT fleet mentioned above will come to Kidder/Redditch?.. hmm I'm intrigued
Doubt it will with it being managed by preston
would've been good if long acre took a few buses like 4 SL64 E200s for any other routes
Rotala didn't buy the 4 x 64 plate E200's, they went to D&G
20829 YJ56AUC Has Been Transferred To South Lancs Travel
https://flic.kr/p/rrKH8b (https://flic.kr/p/rrKH8b)
Quote from: Reece on March 05, 2015, 09:01:01 PM
20829 YJ56AUC Has Been Transferred To South Lancs Travel
https://flic.kr/p/rrKH8b (https://flic.kr/p/rrKH8b)
And 20830
Good to see the Diamond brand introduced straight away. I have also seem pics of the EX DG omnicitys in service, they should look good in Blue!! They are absolutely cracking vehicles really enjoyed a ride on them when they were on 35
Quote from: bwsau cymru on March 06, 2015, 12:23:03 AM
Good to see the Diamond brand introduced straight away. I have also seem pics of the EX DG omnicitys in service, they should look good in Blue!! They are absolutely cracking vehicles really enjoyed a ride on them when they were on 35
Really? Those still have the racking from airport work I believe... Not a fan of OmniCity's-dark, gloomy, bad quality interior with a pretty poor layout as well that lacks space vs a B7RLE.
BV63 OEW at SLT depot - https://www.facebook.com/SouthLancsTravel/photos/a.401333773378210.1073741828.400519226792998/401333786711542/?type=1&theater
Quote from: Sayeed on March 09, 2015, 08:07:45 PM
BV63 OEW at SLT depot - https://www.facebook.com/SouthLancsTravel/photos/a.401333773378210.1073741828.400519226792998/401333786711542/?type=1&theater
Just to be pedantic, the photo's were taken at Long Acre Depot
Quote from: Winston on March 09, 2015, 08:15:59 PM
Just to be pedantic, the photo's were taken at Long Acre Depot
Ty, although I did see a yellow dart on the other picture hence I thought at SLT depot
Quote from: Sayeed on March 09, 2015, 08:07:45 PM
BV63 OEW at SLT depot - https://www.facebook.com/SouthLancsTravel/photos/a.401333773378210.1073741828.400519226792998/401333786711542/?type=1&theater
how many are they having & wonder if the streetlights at Redditch will move to south lancs travel
Quote from: Solo1 on March 09, 2015, 08:44:01 PM
Quote from: Sayeed on March 09, 2015, 08:07:45 PM
BV63 OEW at SLT depot - https://www.facebook.com/SouthLancsTravel/photos/a.401333773378210.1073741828.400519226792998/401333786711542/?type=1&theater
how many are they having & wonder if the streetlights at Redditch will move to south lancs travel
Having?
This was already in the fleet, of course as this is the only StreetLite it is possible it has been swapped and is going to Redditch?
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2015, 08:52:24 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on March 09, 2015, 08:44:01 PM
Quote from: Sayeed on March 09, 2015, 08:07:45 PM
BV63 OEW at SLT depot - https://www.facebook.com/SouthLancsTravel/photos/a.401333773378210.1073741828.400519226792998/401333786711542/?type=1&theater
how many are they having & wonder if the streetlights at Redditch will move to south lancs travel
Having?
This was already in the fleet, of course as this is the only StreetLite it is possible it has been swapped and is going to Redditch?
Why Redditch, Preston already has WF variation we don't. And I'm sure Wessex would have first pickings for the same reason. Tho then again 30806 would have been better off staying at Redditch but that's another story.
Quote from: tank90 on March 09, 2015, 09:32:26 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2015, 08:52:24 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on March 09, 2015, 08:44:01 PM
Quote from: Sayeed on March 09, 2015, 08:07:45 PM
BV63 OEW at SLT depot - https://www.facebook.com/SouthLancsTravel/photos/a.401333773378210.1073741828.400519226792998/401333786711542/?type=1&theater
how many are they having & wonder if the streetlights at Redditch will move to south lancs travel
Having?
This was already in the fleet, of course as this is the only StreetLite it is possible it has been swapped and is going to Redditch?
Why Redditch, Preston already has WF variation we don't. And I'm sure Wessex would have first pickings for the same reason. Tho then again 30806 would have been better off staying at Redditch but that's another story.
Hardly likely to be going to Preston is it? It has only just been painted in Diamond livery.
I wonder if this might turn out to be a better deal for D&G/JP than Rotala. Surely one of the first actions of an elected mayor is going to be to eliminate the competition on Cross-Manchester services, giving both Stagecoach and First the resources to throw at other routes.
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2015, 10:19:56 PM
Quote from: tank90 on March 09, 2015, 09:32:26 PM
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2015, 08:52:24 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on March 09, 2015, 08:44:01 PM
Quote from: Sayeed on March 09, 2015, 08:07:45 PM
BV63 OEW at SLT depot - https://www.facebook.com/SouthLancsTravel/photos/a.401333773378210.1073741828.400519226792998/401333786711542/?type=1&theater
how many are they having & wonder if the streetlights at Redditch will move to south lancs travel
Having?
This was already in the fleet, of course as this is the only StreetLite it is possible it has been swapped and is going to Redditch?
Why Redditch, Preston already has WF variation we don't. And I'm sure Wessex would have first pickings for the same reason. Tho then again 30806 would have been better off staying at Redditch but that's another story.
Hardly likely to be going to Preston is it? It has only just been painted in Diamond livery.
Anyway, yes this ex Heathrow Streetlite is going to Atherton!
Quote from: Tony on March 10, 2015, 08:46:01 PM
Anyway, yes this ex Heathrow Streetlite is going to Atherton!
20981 BV63OEW has arrived at Atherton and has also be joined by:
20838 YJ54BUO (being prep'd for service)
Info courtesy of GM Buses Yahoo Groups
Scrap SLT buses at PVS, Barsnley
21502 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/16698838379/
31000 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/16859077606/
31002 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/16698840809/
There's a few SLT buses at long acre depot
Theres a scania one (B10BLE body)
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on April 12, 2015, 09:58:05 AM
There's a few SLT buses at long acre depot
Theres a scania one (B10BLE body)
Its a Scania L94UB/Wright Axcess Floline
I was going to ask what was happening to those. Transfer to Tividale perhaps with DDA nods? I wish lol
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on April 12, 2015, 09:58:05 AM
There's a few SLT buses at long acre depot
Theres a scania one (B10BLE body)
The 51 plate MPD's ex SLT have all been sold to Ensign dealer, so are just passing through
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on April 12, 2015, 10:47:59 AM
Its a Scania L94UB/Wright Axcess Floline
I was going to ask what was happening to those. Transfer to Tividale perhaps with DDA nods? I wish lol
They wouldn't go in to Diamond, as Diamond don't operate Scania's.
That Scania/Wright does have history with the Dunn family, as it was purchased new for Dunn Line
or Midland Classic bought them to replace their 2 x S reg Scania L94UB's, just a thought :)
Quote from: Sayeed on April 12, 2015, 01:16:17 PM
or Midland Classic bought them to replace their 2 x S reg Scania L94UB's, just a thought :)
The W-reg SLT Scania's aren't DDA compliant, neither are the 2 S-reg Scania's at Midland Classic (which incidentally are ex Diamond/ex Ludlows)
Quote from: Winston on April 12, 2015, 01:20:08 PM
The W-reg SLT Scania's aren't DDA compliant, neither are the 2 S-reg Scania's at Midland Classic (which incidentally are ex Diamond/ex Ludlows)
Heavily used on 177/8/9 I seem to remember and also the Worcester country routes they briefly ran.
20714 XXL is at 51 plate Dart in the yard today does anyone know ID of the Scania please ?
Quote from: tphi12000 on April 12, 2015, 10:17:00 PM
20714 XXL is at 51 plate Dart in the yard today does anyone know ID of the Scania please ?
31001 W396PRC
https://www.flickr.com/photos/67444577@N02/16768741957/
More pictures of SLT buses are here from nxwmbusfan1999's visit to Long Acre today:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/
Quote from: Winston on April 12, 2015, 10:23:20 PM
31001 W396PRC
https://www.flickr.com/photos/67444577@N02/16768741957/
More pictures of SLT buses are here from nxwmbusfan1999's visit to Long Acre today:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/
Cheers ,also of note was Heathrow MAN 30121 B15WTS.
Could some of the SLT pointers be down for repaint into Diamond livery for the West Midlands?
Quote from: tphi12000 on April 12, 2015, 10:39:37 PM
Cheers ,also of note was Heathrow MAN 30121 B15WTS.
That should be joining Diamond KR along with all other ex Heathrow MAN's once repainted, however 30922 B20WTS has entered service at Long Acre after returning from repaint
Quote from: the trainbasher on April 12, 2015, 10:40:13 PM
Could some of the SLT pointers be down for repaint into Diamond livery for the West Midlands?
All the ex SLT EK51XX- MPD's have been sold to Ensign, nxwmbusfan1999 has today photographed 20731 Y77SLT parked outside of the bodyshop at Long Acre, which suggests it could be being prep'd for a repaint. That along with sister 20730 Y66SLT are DDA compliant, so could replace older MPD's at Diamond
https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/16933826209/
Visited Wigan yesterday - must say I was incredibly unimpressed.
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First seen was anonymous ex D&G Scania YN04GMY ( followed by Wigan Buses T439EDB), then when I got to the bus station
Streetlite 20981 was failed on the first stand and an SLT-liveried Solo pulled up behind it, seemingly to assist, blocking the entrance to the whole platform and buses that run down it to access the south facing stands!
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Hardly seems to be the way to go about impressing any future quality contract regime with some vehicles carrying Diamond names, some South Lancs and some none at all.
anyone know when they will start to paint the fleet into diamond livery aslo what buses are used on what service
30533 has been reregistered from M222SLT to PF09LCL and is branded for the 635 Wigan service
http://www.busphotography.co.uk/picture.php?/11672/category/4
would be nice if some could also add a spread sheet for services at Diamond northwest for those who are following the running of diamond buses of what type of bus on what service
I believe 30166 BN64CNY a Volvo B8RLE/MCV has left Diamond and is now operating in Glasgow. Not sure of which company is operating it though.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on September 10, 2015, 07:13:29 PM
I believe 30166 BN64CNY a Volvo B8RLE/MCV has left Diamond and is now operating in Glasgow. Not sure of which company is operating it though.
Glasgow Citybus
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mse062/21273322845/
Atherton have also lost all 4 Optare Tempo's which have been sold to Lynx, Kings Lynn
https://www.flickr.com/photos/andysbusblog/20656225103/
Quote from: Winston on September 10, 2015, 07:29:01 PM
Glasgow Citybus
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mse062/21273322845/
Atherton have also lost all 4 Optare Tempo's which have been sold to Lynx, Kings Lynn
https://www.flickr.com/photos/andysbusblog/20656225103/
what are they having to replace the tempos
I been informed by Simon that there are 5 not 4 ex MetroBus East Lancs OmniDekkaers currently at Long Acre which are all for Diamond North West.
https://flic.kr/p/zvPmgp (https://flic.kr/p/zvPmgp)
https://flic.kr/p/zuJG2E (https://flic.kr/p/zuJG2E)
I been informed by Simon that the following exYourBus Citrao's are for Diamond NW...
33001: BT11UWF
33006: BT11UWL
33008: BT11UWN
https://flic.kr/p/AJBVGt (https://flic.kr/p/AJBVGt)
Quote from: Reece on December 07, 2015, 04:47:40 PM
I been informed by Simon that the following exYourBus Citrao's are for Diamond NW...
33001: BT11UWF
33006: BT11UWL
33008: BT11UWN
https://flic.kr/p/AJBVGt (https://flic.kr/p/AJBVGt)
@Reece are you sure on those fleetnumbers? That would mean a further 3 ex Yourbus Citaro's have been acquired making 9 in total.
The 3 in the picture are the most recent batch which are 33004, 33005 & 33007, not the ones you list.
33004 has recently arrived at Preston repainted:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mjrprestonbus/23586161965/in/dateposted/
Quote from: Winston on December 07, 2015, 08:40:51 PM
@Reece are you sure on those fleetnumbers? That would mean a further 3 ex Yourbus Citaro's have been acquired making 9 in total.
The 3 in the picture are the most recent batch which are 33004, 33005 & 33007, not the ones you list.
33004 has recently arrived at Preston repainted:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mjrprestonbus/23586161965/in/dateposted/
@Winston Yes Rotala have acquired another 3 Citaro's and yes they are definitely for Diamond NW as I was told in a email from Simon Dunn today I do apologise I for putting the wrong link. The following Citaro's are definitely for Diamond NW...
33001: BT11UWF
33006: BT11UWL
33008: BT11UWN
Doesn't seem to be a North West thread but noticed yesterday that Citaro 33007 was in use at North West (working 132/300 Wigan - Trafford Centre / Trafford Centre - Bolton) still in Preston Bus colours with a Diamond logo and yourBus information stickers inside
Quote from: T840MAK on January 24, 2016, 12:42:48 PM
Doesn't seem to be a North West thread but noticed yesterday that Citaro 33007 was in use at North West (working 132/300 Wigan - Trafford Centre / Trafford Centre - Bolton) still in Preston Bus colours with a Diamond logo and yourBus information stickers inside
33005 was also working for Atherton last week in base Preston Bus livery but devoid of any logos, saw it in Wigan bus station.
DW 40203 listed as an Atherton bus, currently working out of Wessex.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on February 01, 2016, 06:22:55 PM
DW 40203 listed as an Atherton bus, currently working out of Wessex.
It's an error on the fleetlist, should say Avonmouth
Quote from: Winston on February 01, 2016, 06:53:28 PM
It's an error on the fleetlist, should say Avonmouth
I was sent a link to a Youtube video of it and couldn't remember which ones went where. Thanks
@Winston
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on February 01, 2016, 08:19:10 PM
I was sent a link to a Youtube video of it and couldn't remember which ones went where. Thanks @Winston
@Ashley 60171 - All 5 x VDL/Wright Eclipse Gemini (40201-5) are all at Wessex
Quote from: Winston on February 01, 2016, 08:21:00 PM
@Ashley 60171 - All 5 x VDL/Wright Eclipse Gemini (40201-5) are all at Wessex
I was curious, now just envious lol. I did look through the fleet updates before posting but that clears that up. Thank you again.
Diamond North West are attending Showbus with Streetlite 32220 SO65LSC
In todays NWTA N&P a change to the VA is agreed subject to provision of bank statements to prove they have the financial standing.
Seems rather odd for an operator of their standing.
Diamond Bus NW have won 2 new TfGM services:
PC0004417/265 Registered
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Wigan, Dorning Street to Manchester, Piccadilly via Atherton, Worsley, Eccles
Service number: 33
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 30 Oct 2017
PC0004417/266 Registered
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Leigh Bus Station to Leigh Bus Station
Service number: 586
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 30 Oct 2017
Looks as though Diamond Bus NW will be stepping in to replace First Manchester following their cancellation of the 575 from 8th April, the 575 also runs in competition with Arriva Sapphire 575 over the Bolton - Horwich section:
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/515371/
Quote from: Winston on February 09, 2018, 02:07:38 PM
Looks as though Diamond Bus NW will be stepping in to replace First Manchester following their cancellation of the 575 from 8th April, the 575 also runs in competition with Arriva Sapphire 575 over the Bolton - Horwich section:
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/find-registered-local-bus-services/details/515371/
Arriva NW have now also registered their replacement version of First's 575 and will be running in direct competition with Diamond NW's new 575 service:
PC0002598/415 Registered
ARRIVA NORTH WEST LTD
Route: Bolton to Old Lord's Estate
Service number: 576 (576)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 08 Apr 2018
Diamond Bus NW & Vision Bus have both registered on the 571/2, yet First Manchester didn't consider them worth operating.
PC0004417/275 Registered
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Bolton Interchange to Bolton Interchange via Great Lever, Lever Edge
Service number: 571 (572)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 08 Apr 2018
As have:
PC1134111/6 Registered
VISION BUS LTD
Route: Bolton to Bolton via Lever Edge
Service number: 571 (572)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 09 Apr 2018
The Manchester branch have also won more TfGM routes:
PC0004417/274 Registered
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Flixton, Lytham Road to Manchester, Piccadilly Gardens
Service number: 15
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 08 Apr 2018
PC0004417/273 Registered
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Eccles Interchange to Clifton Junction Eco Park via Swinton, Worsley
Service number: 66
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 08 Apr 2018
PC0004417/272 Registered
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Wigan, Hall Gate to Higher Folds, Coronation Drive via Leigh
Service number: 658
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 08 Apr 2018
PC0004417/271 Registered
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Wigan, Dorwing Street to Leigh Bus Station via Hindley
Service number: 593
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 08 Apr 2018
The first of the 9.6m DF Streetlites are also now arriving at Heysham, although these appear to be from dealer stock built Aug 18, the first is registered SN68AKA with DBNW legals.
https://busesandbits.smugmug.com/Heysham-Docks-201518-and-some-/Heysham-Docks-26-01-2019/i-j78Vmf4/A
Reported that all double deckers are or have left Atherton, mostly to Preston.
Quote from: mikestone on February 11, 2019, 09:40:05 PM
Reported that all double deckers are or have left Atherton, mostly to Preston.
These are what have turned up at Preston over the past week or two:
Hallmark Trident 40014
VDL/Gemini 40206
Scania/East Lancs Omnidekkas 40411, 40414/5
I think DBNW have given/lost the remaining schools work
21221 & 21222 reported working out of Eccles depot.
Quote from: midlandred2003 on April 16, 2019, 06:48:53 PM
21221 & 21222 reported working out of Eccles depot.
It sounds as though they are LN19UBB & LN19UBD respectively.
I was under the impression the next five due this month were doing to Tividale (3) & Kidderminster (2) for TfWM contracts, the final five weren't originally due until May or June IIRC - Plans must have changed.
Solo KX11EER - 20872 Is now in Diamond's new two-tone blue livery.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mikemcniven/47795850002/in/photolist-2fPye2m-QeNwjv-2eeixTS-Nyit6s-28cnw9z-GNummr-EEB1uT-22BbYt4-QeY7xA-P4B8fE-xHtGtu-xrGfko-xj65kM-pyVawq-oTt4ER-mUofjk-mN97K4-hgELec-eoMH8j-ee7ag6-daBWYY-dfSZFZ-answo2-a5b6rU
DBNW registrations for former First Bolton commercial services to be taken over with a start date of 11th August:
PC0004417/299 Registered
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Manchester Picadilly to Farnworth bus station via swinton, Walkden, Little Hulton, New Bury
Service number: x39 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019
PC0004417/298 Registered
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Bolton Interchange to Leigh Bus station via Atherton
Service number: 582 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019
PC0004417/297 Registered
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Bolton Interchange to Bolton Interchange via Withins
Service number: 561 (562)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019
PC0004417/296 Registered
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Bury Interchange to Bolton Interchange via Radcliffe, Little lever
Service number: 524 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019
PC0004417/295 Registered
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Bury Interchange to Bolton Interchange via Walshaw, Withins, Breightmet, Leverhulme Park.
Service number: 511 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019
PC0004417/294 Registered
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Bolton Interchange to Bolton Interchange via Bradshaw Brow
Service number: 507 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019
PC0004417/293 Registered
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Johnson fold to Farnworth bus station via Brownlow fold, Bolton, Royal Bolton Hospital.
Service number: 501 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019
PC0004417/292 Registered
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Bury Interchange to Bury Interchange via Walmersley, Holcolmbe Brook
Service number: 472 (474)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019
PC0004417/291 Registered
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Rochdale Interchange to Bolton Interchange via Heywood, Bury, Breightmet
Service number: 471 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019
PC0004417/290 Registered
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: 162 - Norden way/163 - Bury Interchange to Manchester, Picadilly via Langley, Middleton
Service number: 162 (163)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019
PC0004417/289 Registered
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: INTU Trafford Centre to Farnworth bus station via Eccles, Walkden
Service number: 68 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019
PC0004417/288 Registered
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Manchester, Picadilly to Bolton, Interchange via Salford Shopping centre, Swinton, Walkden, Farnworth
Service number: 37 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019
PC0004417/287 Registered
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Manchester Picadilly to Bolton Interchange via Salford Shopping Centre, Swinton, Little Hulton, Royal Bolton Hospital
Service number: 36 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019
PC0004417/286 Registered
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Manchester, Shudehill Interchange. to Bolton, Interchange. via Salford shopping centre, Pendlebury, Farnworth.
Service number: 8 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019
PC0004417/285 Registered
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Bolton, Interchange to INTU Trafford centre. via Swinton, Eccles
Service number: 2 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 11 Aug 2019
Quote from: willr7 on July 14, 2019, 04:24:56 PM
I see, Thanks for sharing that picture. It makes sense sending the Scania's to Preston as they have other various scania vehicles. I guess we will also be seeing lots of swaps in preparation for the Bolton take-over!
Not that many moves, only approx. 25 buses going in to Bolton from within Rotala / acquired. The First Manchester fleet on hire will be replaced by new Euro 6 buses over a two year period.
ex Tividale Volvo's 30851/2/5 & 60 are already in DBNW two tone livery & up North.
Redditch Volvo 30857 (ex Monopoly livery) is in two tone livery and vinyled up for DBNW as well, this had gone back to Redditch initially.
Quote from: Winston on July 14, 2019, 04:37:52 PM
Not that many moves, only approx. 25 buses going in to Bolton from within Rotala / acquired. The First Manchester fleet on hire will be replaced by new Euro 6 buses over a two year period.
ex Tividale Volvo's 30851/2/5 & 60 are already in DBNW two tone livery & up North.
Redditch Volvo 30857 (ex Monopoly livery) is in two tone livery and vinyled up for DBNW as well, this had gone back to Redditch initially.
Thank you Winston.
So we know so far that of the approx. 25 buses, there will be 14 B7RLE's from Tividale/Redditch + 6 Streetlite's from Preston. Maybe Redditch's Signature Streetlite's (32307-10) will join Preston's StreetLites in the move to Bolton - this will make 24 in total.
First Bolton has an allocation of approx. 203 buses. However 28 are used on the Vantage network which is to be kept under First operation (presumably operation of this will be kept at Bolton - just ran by First)
From my calculations, this means DBNW will require 175 vehicles for operations at Bolton. With the 25 brought in from around the group - this means that they will have about 150 vehicles on hire from First.
Quote from: willr7 on July 14, 2019, 05:09:17 PM
Thank you Winston.
So we know so far that of the approx. 25 buses, there will be 14 B7RLE's from Tividale/Redditch + 6 Streetlite's from Preston. Maybe Redditch's Signature Streetlite's (32307-10) will join Preston's StreetLites in the move to Bolton - this will make 24 in total.
First Bolton has an allocation of approx. 203 buses. However 28 are used on the Vantage network which is to be kept under First operation (presumably operation of this will be kept at Bolton - just ran by First)
From my calculations, this means DBNW will require 175 vehicles for operations at Bolton. With the 25 brought in from around the group - this means that they will have about 150 vehicles on hire from First.
Your numbers are a bit on the high side. The Bolton allocation on takeover day will be circa 160 buses. Bolton will loose both the Vantage allocation & the school bus allocation (contract expired)
125 buses are being hired from First Manchester (for up to two years)
Approx. 25 buses sourced from within Rotala which includes B9TL/Gemini 40625.
There's a possibility that 10 further used buses could be sourced externally, but not confirmed. So the 25 is still fluid at present.
Quote from: Winston on July 14, 2019, 05:38:48 PM
Your numbers are a bit on the high side. The Bolton allocation on takeover day will be circa 160 buses. Bolton will loose both the Vantage allocation & the school bus allocation (contract expired)
125 buses are being hired from First Manchester (for up to two years)
Approx. 25 buses sourced from within Rotala which includes B9TL/Gemini 40625.
There's a possibility that 10 further used buses could be sourced externally, but not confirmed. So the 25 is still fluid at present.
Thank you for the correction on the numbers - I was going off an allocation from before First Bus sold Queens Road to GNW so the allocation has most probably changed since then or there were excess vehicles at Bolton which were then transferred to Queens Road/Go-Ahead NW.
I can imagine 40625 being the odd one out as I'm sure that Rotala will probably go for low emission StreetDecks to replace the First double decks considering they tend to go for StreetLite's which would match the trend.
Quote from: willr7 on July 14, 2019, 06:19:38 PM
Thank you for the correction on the numbers - I was going off an old allocation so it has obviously changed or here were excess vehicles allocated there until they were transferred to Queens Road/Go-Ahead NW.
I can imagine 40625 being the odd one out as I'm sure that Rotala will probably go for low emission StreetDecks to replace the First double decks considering they tend to go for StreetLite's which would match the trend.
The numbers quoted *shouldn't* change too much, but are not cast in stone. 40625 will be a bit of an odd ball, with 40626 remaining at Hallmark Connections.
Also, bare in mind DBNW Atherton depot is now been closed from the end of the August, with it's routes & allocation being split between Bolton & Eccles.
I understand a new bus order for Rotala Group may not now be too far off from being finalised / announced. As a side note, Preston Bus had a Wrightbus Streetdeck Micro hybrid demonstrator for a good few weeks which was used in service during March/April, so may well be correct.
The 10 x single deckers mentioned 'potentially' being acquired externally for DBNW, Bolton in the Kidderminster thread (posts since moved here) can now be confirmed as 10 x 64 plate ex Yourbus Citaro's. The first two, BD64NBX & NCC are already in DBNW two tone blue base colours, they are being repainted by Yourbus, at their Heanor depot (pictures below) - should look really smart once fully vinyled up.
Fleet numbers to be confirmed.
Photos courtesy of Rotala.
Quote from: Winston on July 18, 2019, 02:53:18 PM
The 10 x single deckers mentioned 'potentially' being acquired externally for DBNW, Bolton in the Kidderminster thread (posts since moved here) can now be confirmed as 10 x 64 plate ex Yourbus Citaro's. The first two, BD64NBX & NCC are already in DBNW two tone blue base colours, they are being repainted by Yourbus, at their Heanor depot (pictures below) - should look really smart once fully vinyled up.
Fleet numbers to be confirmed
Glad to see they've found a new home after being on the market for a while! A real upgrade for the Bolton fleet too to kick off Rotalas acquisition
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 18, 2019, 03:32:52 PM
Glad to see they've found a new home after being on the market for a while! A real upgrade for the Bolton fleet too to kick off Rotalas acquisition
There's a few more Citaro's from elsewhere that have been for sale for sometime in the trade press. Not much demand for heavy weight full size singles. Even the 2013 WF & DF Streetlites Rotala returned off lease have remained unsold, same with the ex Yourbus ones at Plaxton Coach Sales.
Quote from: Winston on July 18, 2019, 04:14:15 PM
There's a few more Citaro's from elsewhere that have been for sale for sometime in the trade press. Not much demand for heavy weight full size singles. Even the 2013 WF & DF Streetlites Rotala returned off lease have remained unsold, same with the ex Yourbus ones at Plaxton Coach Sales.
Most city operators want either Euro6 or cheap. Expensive Euro 5 will be difficult to move at the moment. Vehicle type will also make a difference depending on whether the trap fitting companies have developed kit for that vehicle type yet. If you ask for conversions on a type they haven't you will get walloped with a big development cost as well
Quote from: Tony on July 18, 2019, 04:36:22 PM
Most city operators want either Euro6 or cheap. Expensive Euro 5 will be difficult to move at the moment. Vehicle type will also make a difference depending on whether the trap fitting companies have developed kit for that vehicle type yet. If you ask for conversions on a type they haven't you will get walloped with a big development cost as well
The shift to everything Euro 6 is going to kill demand in the used market for the foreseeable, even B7RLE / Eclipse 2's don't seem to be selling for quick, Xelabus have had two 60 plates for sale for a while.
I thought Euro 5 to Euro 6 upgrades were more straightforward / cheaper than Euro 3 to 6 etc?
Quote from: Winston on July 18, 2019, 04:14:15 PM
There's a few more Citaro's from elsewhere that have been for sale for sometime in the trade press. Not much demand for heavy weight full size singles. Even the 2013 WF & DF Streetlites Rotala returned off lease have remained unsold, same with the ex Yourbus ones at Plaxton Coach Sales.
Aren't yourbus & diamond in someway connected through family brothers I think?????????
Quote from: pb2012 on July 18, 2019, 05:41:00 PM
Aren't yourbus & diamond in someway connected through family brothers I think?????????
Only connected as far as surnames & being brothers, not business connections with Rotala.
Scott Dunn still owns Yourbus, but he's lived in Australia for a good while & now has more Australian interests including building buses through Custom Coaches.
40625 in double deck version of DBNW livery seen at Preston depot (sides logo's look much better!)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mjrprestonbus/48322890512
Quote from: Winston on July 20, 2019, 08:59:13 PM
40625 in double deck version of DBNW livery seen at Preston depot (sides logo's look much better!)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mjrprestonbus/48322890512
This diamond livery suits double deckers
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on July 20, 2019, 09:22:04 PM
This diamond livery suits double deckers
The new livery is leaps ahead of the previous all-over blue, it seems to suit most vehicles. Still fairly simple to apply, but effective.
Quote from: Winston on July 18, 2019, 04:42:06 PM
The shift to everything Euro 6 is going to kill demand in the used market for the foreseeable, even B7RLE / Eclipse 2's don't seem to be selling for quick, Xelabus have had two 60 plates for sale for a while.
I thought Euro 5 to Euro 6 upgrades were more straightforward / cheaper than Euro 3 to 6 etc?
The bus alliance is looking at every bus in the WM being Euro 6 in 2020. There's capacity problems getting kit because of so many places wanting it. NX alone are looking at 1000 upgrades in 12 months
Quote from: Tony on July 20, 2019, 09:38:14 PM
The bus alliance is looking at every bus in the WM being Euro 6 in 2020. There's capacity problems getting kit because of so many places wanting it. NX alone are looking at 1000 upgrades in 12 months
I presume most of the bus builders should be at fully capacity for the foreseeable with long lead times now for new orders. Plus rarely any Euro 6 buses on the used market.
Atherton currently have a Mellor Strata Ultra on demo (KF19LCV):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_17com/48367556091
The 10 ex Yourbus Euro 6 Citaro's are numbered as follows:
33010 BD64NBO
33011 BD64NCN
33012 BD64NCA
33013 BD64NCE
33014 BD64NBZ
33015 BD64NCJ
33016 BD64NBX
33017 BD64NCC
33018 BD64NBY
33019 BD64NCF
33017 saw service Tuesday in base two-tone livery:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jongraham890/48354260002
To supplement Rotala Group cascades & ex Yourbus Citaro's for Bolton, Rotala have also acquired 9 brand new Streetdecks from stock plus a former Wrightbus Streetdeck demo as follows:
40700 SK17HHC
40701 SK19EYW
40702 SK19EYU
40703 SO19MWE
40704 SO19MVY
40705 SO19MWA
40706 SO19MVZ
40707 SO19MVX
40708 SO19MWC
40709 SO19MWD
The First Manchester rental fleet can also now be confirmed as follows:
37384 MX58DWP
37351 WX57HLN
66895 MX55FFE
66899 MX55FFK
66900 MX55FFL
66901 MX55FFM
66903 MX55FFP
66904 MX55FFR
66905 MX55FFS
66906 MX55FFT
66907 MX55FFU
66909 MX55FFW
66914 MX55FGE
66918 MX55FGK
66919 MX55FGM
66930 MX55FHE
66983 KX05MHM
69135 MV06CZS
69136 MV06CZG
69137 MV06CZT
69138 MV06CXB
69139 MX06VOP
69141 MX06VOU
69142 MX06VOV
69143 MX06VOY
69144 MX06VPA
69145 MX06VNW
69146 MX06VNY
69147 MX06VNZ
69148 MX06VOA
69149 MX06VOB
69150 MX06VOC
69151 MX06VOD
69152 MX06VOF
69153 MX06VOG
69154 MX06VOH
69155 MX06VNL
69156 MX06VNM
69157 MX06VNN
69158 MX06VNO
69159 MX06VNP
69160 MX06VNR
69161 MX06VNS
69162 MX06VNT
69163 MX06VNU
69164 MX06VNV
69165 MX06VMW
69166 MX06VMZ
69167 MX06VNB
69168 MX06VNC
69169 MX06VND
69170 MX06VNE
69171 MX06VNF
69172 MV06CZJ
69173 MV06DWZ
69174 MX06VNK
69175 MX06VPO
69178 MX06YXK
69180 MX06YXM
69186 MX56ACY
69201 MX06VPZ
69220 MX56AEK
69221 MX56AEL
69224 MX56AEO
69225 MX56AEP
69230 MX56AEY
33831 SK14CTV
33832 SK14CTX
33833 SK14CTY
33834 SN14TRZ
33835 SN14TSO
33836 SN14TSU
33837 SN14TSV
33838 SN14TSX
33839 SN14TSY
33840 SN14TSZ
33857 SN14TUW
37445 MX58DZU
33733 SN12AMV
33734 SN12AMX
33735 SN12ANF
33737 SN12ANR
37443 MX58DZS
33724 SN12AKV
33727 SN12AKZ
33729 SN12ALU
33730 SN12AMK
33731 SN12AMO
33732 SN12AMU
33739 SN12ANV
33726 SN12AKY
33728 SN12ALO
33740 SN12ANX
33742 SN12AOB
33743 SN12AOC
33753 SN12AOO
33693 SN12AGX
33695 SN12AGZ
33696 SN12AHA
33697 SN12AHC
33699 SN12AHE
33700 SN12AHF
33704 SN12AHL
33705 SN12AHO
33707 SN12AHU
33709 SN12AHX
33710 SN12AHY
33711 SN12AHZ
33712 SN12AJO
33713 SN12AJU
33714 SN12AJV
33715 SN12AJX
33673 SN12AEU
33677 SN12AEY
33691 SN12AGU
33716 SN12AJY
33717 SN12AKF
33718 SN12AKG
33719 SN12AKJ
33720 SN12AKK
33721 SN12AKO
33722 SN12AKP
33725 SN12AKX
33752 SN12AOM
33657 SN12ADV
Further to the above, there will now be a 10th new Streetdeck (as of yesterday) + the acquired Demo = 11 in total.
Courtesy of 'xdavidf1' from the Yahoo GM Buses Group:
40708 SO19MWC is pictured in two tone base livery below.
I wished NX get a few more of these when the Gemini's start to be withdrawn
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on August 02, 2019, 04:44:47 PM
I wished NX get a few more of these when the Gemini's start to be withdrawn
well the drivers at pn don't
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on August 02, 2019, 04:44:47 PM
I wished NX get a few more of these when the Gemini's start to be withdrawn
Volvo chassis yes. Integral chassis no.
First pictures of Rotala's latest depot for DBNW, Bolton on day one:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/63797212@N02/
Two additional StreetDecks noted at Weston Street (Bolton) depot in two-tone blue & what looks to be First Leeds spec on 25/08/19. Registered SO19 MXK/L.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/128789124@N06/48617179822/in/faves-107981337@N03/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/128789124@N06/48616679183/in/faves-107981337@N03/
Ho ho. Just clicked on the two above links only to be told that I must sign in to Flickr as both links contain "adult material". :o :o
Posted on another forum, 19 ex Yourbus vehicles are expected to arrive at Bolton Depot today (14 x Mercs & 5 x E200's):
http://www.dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=95&pid=132786#pid132786
Quote from: Winston on October 04, 2019, 11:47:27 AM
Posted on another forum, 19 ex Yourbus vehicles are expected to arrive at Bolton Depot today (14 x Mercs & 5 x E200's):
http://www.dartslf.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=95&pid=132786#pid132786
We expected to reach a deal this week - in advance of that we did acquire 19 vehicles which will ultimately end up in Bolton. Due to what has happened this week, I would expect some will end up in Tividale tonight
Courtesy of Simon, the vehicles acquired as are follows:
E200's:
31401 SN10CDE
31407 YX17NJJ
31408 YX17NJK
31411 YX67VGZ
31414 YY67USJ
31415 YY67USL
Citaro's:
33021 BF62JYX
33022 BF62JYY
33023 BF62JZE
33024 BF62JZG
33025 BF62JYR
33026 BF62JYS
33027 BF62JYT
33028 BF62JYU
33029 BF62JYV
33030 BF62JZA
33031 BF62JZC
33032 BF60OEZ
33033 BF62JZD
33030 and 33032 made their way to Tividale this evening, I got shots of both passing through Wednesbury.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stourvalley/48843178582/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stourvalley/48843178977/
Quote from: StourValley98 on October 04, 2019, 08:10:03 PM
33030 and 33032 made their way to Tividale this evening, I got shots of both passing through Wednesbury.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stourvalley/48843178582/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stourvalley/48843178977/
Stick all those citaros on the 4H please! Wishful thinking I know
Quote from: Trident 4194 on October 04, 2019, 09:13:06 PM
Stick all those citaros on the 4H please! Wishful thinking I know
They are going to Bolton
ex Yourbus Citaro 33026 (BF62JYS) is now at Bolton Depot:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_17com/48854733311/in/dateposted/
DBNW Bolton Depot has experienced a vandal attack over night:
Diamond Bus North West
4 hrs ·
Due to Vandalism in our bus depot over the weekend we experiencing a difficulty in all our services this morning. Our engineers are working hard to rectify all of the damage caused.
https://www.facebook.com/DiamondBusNorthWest/
More ex Yourbus vehicles now in service at Bolton joining Citaro 33026.
31414 seems to have been rushed in to service.
E200 31401:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jongraham890/48864540052
E200 31414:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jongraham890/48865607237
PC0004417 Standard National
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Public Inquiry (80276) to be held at The Public Inquiry Room (Warrington), WA3 2SH, Suite 4, Stone Cross Place, Stone Cross Lane North, Golborne, Warrington, on 13 November 2019 commencing at 14:00 PC0004417 SN DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED Director(s): ROBERT ANTHONY DUNN, SIMON LEE DUNN, KIM TAYLOR, MATTHEW PAUL RAWLINSON WESTON STREET, BOLTON, BL3 2AW
S17 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 17 (The Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981)
S26 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 26 (The Transport Act 1985)
S28 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 28 (The Transport Act 1985) Sch.3 - Consideration of Transport Managers Repute under Schedule 3 (The Public Passenger Vehicles Act 1981)
Publication: N&P North West of England(2884), Notice of PI to be held
Date: 09 Oct 2019
ex Yourbus E200 31415:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_17com/48872265397
More ex Yourbus Citaro's now in service at Bolton:
33028:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_17com/48876983766
33029:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_17com/48872266432
Plus 33031 was also delivered from Tividale today painted in Diamond 2 tone base livery
Can anyone explain why DBNW don't amend the VH1 and VH2 so that they can run a figure of 8 of Walkden and Boothstown on a 30 minute frequency (Each way so 15 mins combined). The current situation means the VH1 is basically just linking people into Boothstown to change buses and the VH2 links that housing development into Walkden. If the VH1 and VH2 were combined, they could link Boothstown and Walkden making more sense. You are almost guaranteed to get more passengers running the suggested way compared to the 2 very small circulars which look as if they run around empty all day.
Looks as though more ex First Manchester E400's have been returned, with 33720 & 33725 now reported at First South Yorkshire.
Quote from: Winston on November 09, 2019, 04:07:14 PM
Looks as though more ex First Manchester E400's have been returned, with 33720 & 33725 now reported at First South Yorkshire.
How many had already returned Winston ? Don't remember seeing anything
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on November 09, 2019, 05:02:00 PM
How many had already returned Winston ? Don't remember seeing anything
These three weren't taken from First, so can be removed from the original list of First hire vehicles I posted.
33732 SN12AMU
69143 MX06VOY
69171 MX06VNF
69224 MX56AEO
Returned to First Oldham 11/10/19 (Tony's missed these disposals off the Rotala October Fleet changes):
33714 SN12AJV
33729 SN12ALU
33739 SN12ANV
Latest to be returned:
Returned to First Oldham 1/11/19.
33720 SN12AKK
Quote from: Winston on November 09, 2019, 05:14:33 PM
These three weren't taken from First, so can be removed from the original list of First hire vehicles I posted.
33732 SN12AMU
69143 MX06VOY
69171 MX06VNF
69224 MX56AEO
Returned to First Oldham 11/10/19 (Tony's missed these disposals off the Rotala October Fleet changes):
33714 SN12AJV
33729 SN12ALU
33739 SN12ANV
Latest to be returned:
Returned to First Oldham 1/11/19.
33720 SN12AKK
Many Thanks
Some of the Enviros are heading across the Pennines to Sheffield. Two have arrived already with more expected.
Quote from: markcf83 on November 09, 2019, 08:24:54 PM
Some of the Enviros are heading across the Pennines to Sheffield. Two have arrived already with more expected.
I know - see above.
I hadn't noticed what was written above your post Winston.
There's another Hybrid Streetdeck demo @ Bolton -SK18TKX:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/7681357@N02/49133500512
The Scania/East Lancs Esteem scrub up pretty well in new Diamond livery (30918 here):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jongraham890/49136251611/in/dateposted/
Quote from: IMarkeh on October 26, 2019, 02:08:20 PM
Can anyone explain why DBNW don't amend the VH1 and VH2 so that they can run a figure of 8 of Walkden and Boothstown on a 30 minute frequency (Each way so 15 mins combined). The current situation means the VH1 is basically just linking people into Boothstown to change buses and the VH2 links that housing development into Walkden. If the VH1 and VH2 were combined, they could link Boothstown and Walkden making more sense. You are almost guaranteed to get more passengers running the suggested way compared to the 2 very small circulars which look as if they run around empty all day.
They are run using S106 housing development funding, private contracts (I think) for Bellway Homes. The VH1 was specifically designed to link the development with the Busway, hence why it runs over to Mosley Common as passengers can transfer at Newearth Road.
ooops
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/firefighters-tackle-huge-blaze-bus-17513194?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&fbclid=IwAR18yybxmzOq7RO1DJZ9XABBzSajapXA5y5bafopdlv4s1Ia-7z3dc2z_zo
Quote from: Tony on January 04, 2020, 05:56:17 PM
ooops
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/firefighters-tackle-huge-blaze-bus-17513194?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar&fbclid=IwAR18yybxmzOq7RO1DJZ9XABBzSajapXA5y5bafopdlv4s1Ia-7z3dc2z_zo
It was 30004 on the 575.
Oh dear
Quote from: Winston on January 04, 2020, 05:59:19 PM
It was 30004 on the 575.
I must be doing something wrong I havent been on one that has exploded into a fireball since 2017 oddly at least Diamomd North West are keeping up the tradition
Quote from: Winston on January 04, 2020, 05:59:19 PM
It was 30004 on the 575.
Interesting that nobody takes the trouble to come on here and spoon feed us links to the various similar incidents involving NX in recent years.
Quote from: andy41 on January 05, 2020, 01:53:11 PM
Interesting that nobody takes the trouble to come on here and spoon feed us links to the various similar incidents involving NX in recent years.
There's been plenty of comments about PN Merc 0405's combusting.... the Tridents that were on fire last year were all reported with links. You're clearly not looking in the right places .....
Quote from: Winston on January 05, 2020, 02:20:42 PM
There's been plenty of comments about PN Merc 0405's combusting.... the Tridents that were on fire last year were all reported with links. You're clearly not looking in the right places .....
NX have had 5 fires in the last 12 months. Three Arson attacks on Tridents (1-YW, 2-BC), One arson attack on an E400MMC (AG) and one coach after a car drove into in in Battersea. All 5 have been mentioned and linked.
Quote from: Tony on January 05, 2020, 02:40:22 PM
NX have had 5 fires in the last 12 months. Three Arson attacks on Tridents (1-YW, 2-BC), One arson attack on an E400MMC (AG) and one coach after a car drove into in in Battersea. All 5 have been mentioned and linked.
I remember Volvo SD in Coventry a couple of years back and a Trident in Dudley just off the top of my head. Seem to remember a decker in Coventry too. None of them arson.
I was just noting that it was interesting how there was no helpful link to the news article with accompanying 'oops'
Quote from: Tony link=topic=3618.msg271776#msg271776 date=1578235222
NX have had 5 fires in the last 12 months. Three Arson attacks on Tridents (1-YW, 2-BC), One arson attack on an E400MMC (AG) and one coach after a car drove into in in Battersea. All 5 have been mentioned and linked.
Isn't this way off topic I am not aware West Midlands Travel Limited operate bus services in Bolton? I am the king of Diamond Bus fires and are very proud of the 3 I have been on they all ended up totally destroyed but went out in style well the style of Diamond Bus Limited thanks to Diamonds Bus excellent Health & Safety training we were all evacuated from the burning buses professionally by the driver. Thursdays B7 fire was good for the people of the North West to experience the excellent health and safety procedures Diamond Bus operate which we know so well in the West Midlands is second to none, the driver evacuated the bus excellently and should be congratulated for his actions. One would hope West Midlands Travel Limited have similar procedures for their many many fires last year outlined by
@Tony but aren't the above posts supposed to be posted under "National Express West Midlands" and not the excellent" Diamond Bus North West" thread or have I missed something..............
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 05, 2020, 03:27:18 PM
Isn't this way off topic I am not aware West Midlands Travel Limited operate bus services in Bolton? I am the king of Diamond Bus fires and are very proud of the 3 I have been on they all ended up totally destroyed but went out in style well the style of Diamond Bus Limited thanks to Diamonds Bus excellent Health & Safety training we were all evacuated from the burning buses professionally by the driver. Thursdays B7 fire was good for the people of the North West to experience the excellent health and safety procedures Diamond Bus operate which we know so well in the West Midlands is second to none, the driver evacuated the bus excellently and should be congratulated for his actions. One would hope West Midlands Travel Limited have similar procedures for their many many fires last year outlined by @Tony but aren't the above posts supposed to be posted under "National Express West Midlands" and not the excellent" Diamond Bus North West" thread or have I missed something..............
The over arching point here is a very simple one. None of us in the industry should poke fun or gloat at others' adversity, as we never know when our turn may come.
Quote from: andy41 on January 05, 2020, 03:19:59 PM
I remember Volvo SD in Coventry a couple of years back and a Trident in Dudley just off the top of my head. Seem to remember a decker in Coventry too. None of them arson.
I was just noting that it was interesting how there was no helpful link to the news article with accompanying 'oops'
That would have been 2151 on NXC service 16 on 20/5/18 and 4401 on the same service on 7/11/17. Older Tridents 4203 were lost to fire too, on 17/10/18 and 4224 was damaged by fire on 1/8/17 and eventually sold for scrap. While four CV vehicles sounds bad, the period before, stretching back many years, saw hardly any serious fires at all (I can only think of the arson damage 4218 sustained back in 2001).
Quote from: paulb1973 on January 06, 2020, 02:29:55 PM
That would have been 2151 on NXC service 16 on 20/5/18 and 4401 on the same service on 7/11/17. Older Tridents 4203 were lost to fire too, on 17/10/18 and 4224 was damaged by fire on 1/8/17 and eventually sold for scrap. While four CV vehicles sounds bad, the period before, stretching back many years, saw hardly any serious fires at all (I can only think of the arson damage 4218 sustained back in 2001).
Nothing is as good as Diamond Bus fire I was with my partner at the Blackstone Picnic Area outside Bewdley on 15th June 2015 when the bus was NIS and exploded & at Callow Hill on 23rd May 2017 when the 292 was engulfed in a fireball.
One of Diamond North Wests neighbors HALTON TRANSPORT seems to be in a bit of bother:
Public Inquiry (79647) to be held at The Public Inquiry Room (Warrington), WA3 2SH, Suite 4,
Stone Cross Place, Stone Cross Lane North, Golborne, Warrington, on 19 February 2020
commencing at 10:00
PC0001376 SN
HALTON BOROUGH TRANSPORT LTD
Director(s): HALTON BOROUGH COUNCIL, MICHAEL WHARTON, COLIN STAFFORD,
BRIAN JOSEPH STEVENSON, ANDREW MACMANUS, KEITH MORLEY, ADELE JONES,
WEISLAW ZYGADLLO
20 KENT GROVE, RUNCORN, WA7 5EG
S17 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 17 (The Public Passenger
Vehicles Act 1981)
S26 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 26 (The Transport Act 1985)
Sch.3 - Consideration of Transport Managers Repute under Schedule 3 (The Public
Passenger Vehicles Act 1981)
Section 26 - Breech of conditions attached to licence
It includes:
- not registering services/variations/cancellations
- vehicle maintenance/vehicles unfit for public service
- operated in a way which is considered dangerous to the public
- employee misconduct deemed dangerous to public
- Intentional interference with another privately operated company
- (Section 8) Failure to operate a registered service
- Failure to provide adequate and accurate information to the Traffic Commissioner
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 19, 2020, 02:33:02 PM
One of Diamond North Wests neighbors HALTON TRANSPORT seems to be in a bit of bother:
Public Inquiry (79647) to be held at The Public Inquiry Room (Warrington), WA3 2SH, Suite 4,
Stone Cross Place, Stone Cross Lane North, Golborne, Warrington, on 19 February 2020
commencing at 10:00
PC0001376 SN
HALTON BOROUGH TRANSPORT LTD
Director(s): HALTON BOROUGH COUNCIL, MICHAEL WHARTON, COLIN STAFFORD,
BRIAN JOSEPH STEVENSON, ANDREW MACMANUS, KEITH MORLEY, ADELE JONES,
WEISLAW ZYGADLLO
20 KENT GROVE, RUNCORN, WA7 5EG
S17 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 17 (The Public Passenger
Vehicles Act 1981)
S26 - Consideration of disciplinary action under Section 26 (The Transport Act 1985)
Sch.3 - Consideration of Transport Managers Repute under Schedule 3 (The Public
Passenger Vehicles Act 1981)
Section 26 - Breech of conditions attached to licence
It includes:
- not registering services/variations/cancellations
- vehicle maintenance/vehicles unfit for public service
- operated in a way which is considered dangerous to the public
- employee misconduct deemed dangerous to public
- Intentional interference with another privately operated company
- (Section 8) Failure to operate a registered service
- Failure to provide adequate and accurate information to the Traffic Commissioner
Richard think is in wrong place for what it contains as it is about another company not connected to rotala
Quite a few Wigan area services have been cancelled by DBNW from April - I believe most if not all are TfGM tendered routes.
PC0004417/272 Cancelled
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Wigan, Hall Gate to Higher Folds, Coronation Drive via Leigh
Service number: 658 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 19 Apr 2020
PC0004417/185 Cancelled
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Leigh Bus Station to Horwich via Atherton, Westhoughton
Service number: 516 (517)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 19 Apr 2020
PC0004417/179 Cancelled
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Leigh Bus Station to Atherton Spa Road via westleigh and atherton
Service number: 583 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 19 Apr 2020
PC0004417/271 Cancelled
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Wigan, Dorwing Street to Leigh Bus Station via Hindley
Service number: 593 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 19 Apr 2020
PC0004417/240 Cancelled
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: New Springs, Withington Lane to Wigan Bus Station
Service number: 613 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 19 Apr 2020
PC0004417/214 Cancelled
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Wigan Bus Station to Wigan Bus Station via Standish
Service number: 638 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 19 Apr 2020
PC0004417/215 Cancelled
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Wigan Bus Station to Wigan Bus Station via Standish, Shevington
Service number: 640 (641, 644)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 19 Apr 2020
PC0004417/212 Cancelled
DIAMOND BUS (NORTH WEST) LIMITED
Route: Wigan, Bryn Street to Wigan Bus Station via Ince Bar
Service number: 630 ()
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 19 Apr 2020
Interesting to see who picks them up.
Wasn't there a rumour about DBNW being banned from bidding on TfGM contracts? Or was that a load of bollocks?
Quote from: MW on February 06, 2020, 11:08:22 PM
Wasn't there a rumour about DBNW being banned from bidding on TfGM contracts? Or was that a load of bollocks?
These are re-tender losses. We have gained some too. So - no we aren't banned. Overall though PVR will be down
Quote from: Simon Dunn on February 07, 2020, 04:00:08 AM
These are re-tender losses. We have gained some too. So - no we aren't banned. Overall though PVR will be down
Are you able to confirm which services you have won?
Quote from: IMarkeh on February 13, 2020, 01:49:40 PM
Are you able to confirm which services you have won?
We are taking over the evening operation on the 2 (we operate daytime Commercial service. Also
70 Clifton - Salford Quays
217 Manchester - Ashton
247 Trafford Centre - Altrincham
We are also registering
584 Leigh - Crankwood
682 Leigh - Hag Fold
Simon
Quote from: Simon Dunn on February 14, 2020, 03:35:04 PM
We are taking over the evening operation on the 2 (we operate daytime Commercial service. Also
70 Clifton - Salford Quays
217 Manchester - Ashton
247 Trafford Centre - Altrincham
We are also registering
584 Leigh - Crankwood
682 Leigh - Hag Fold
Simon
Thanks for that list.
Can I ask if 217 is the full service or just evenings or Sundays?
Are you going to run the 584 short runs or just the hourly Crankwood trips?
Thanks
Been confirmed 128 new street decks for north west operations before the end of the year
Quote from: Jack6101 on February 18, 2020, 12:46:52 PM
Been confirmed 128 new street decks for north west operations before the end of the year
Confirmed where?
On their Twitter and Facebook pages. Shows 40701 announcing it on its destination. Apparently there was some open day at Bolton today. Bolton Corporations 77 from the museum of transport was in attendance.
Good news!
Quote from: WWH44L on February 18, 2020, 01:18:03 PM
On their Twitter and Facebook pages. Shows 40701 announcing it on its destination. Apparently there was some open day at Bolton today. Bolton Corporations 77 from the museum of transport was in attendance.
Good news!
Ta - don't do Twitter, forgot to check DBNW Facebook page.
Yes, should make a big difference + significantly increase carrying capacity.
There's 12 Streetdecks due during April, 50 in June, followed by 66 during December 2020.
There's also a WF Streetlite due in March which was part complete Wrightbus dealer stock (with another 2 due for Birmingham)
No probs Winston. Took me by surprise and had to read it twice!!
Looking at the first hire fleet, I get 103 to return. Do you know what the other 25 from the new order are to replace or are some going to Preston?
Quote from: WWH44L on February 18, 2020, 01:52:08 PM
No probs Winston. Took me by surprise and had to read it twice!!
Looking at the first hire fleet, I get 103 to return. Do you know what the other 25 from the new order are to replace or are some going to Preston?
No, the 128 Streetdecks are all for Bolton. I assume they will replace older DBNW single deckers, the 13 plate Volvo B7RLE/Wright (575 branded) are due to return off lease as per Diamond WM examples in the not too distant future.
Preston are due 4 Streetdecks of their own in April, it was 8, but Volvo B5LH 40606-9 having since been purchased instead of returning off lease, 4 x Streetdecks destined for Preston were thus diverted to Bolton instead.
Cheers Winston. Great chance to standardise and remove some of the oddbods at Bolton. 👍
Quote from: WWH44L on February 18, 2020, 02:08:18 PM
Cheers Winston. Great chance to standardise and remove some of the oddbods at Bolton. 👍
I understand Rotala are working towards standardization now they're a much bigger entity / can place bigger new bus orders etc.
Quote from: Winston on February 18, 2020, 02:22:10 PM
I understand Rotala are working towards standardization now they're a much bigger entity / can place bigger new bus orders etc.
But at the cost of having a large proportion of vehicles of the same age in one place, and the potential issues that might bring. However I guess they have little choice. I'm curious how such a large order has been possible - I was wondering if it's some sort of leasing set up?
Quote from: don on February 19, 2020, 11:18:03 PM
But at the cost of having a large proportion of vehicles of the same age in one place, and the potential issues that might bring. However I guess they have little choice. I'm curious how such a large order has been possible - I was wondering if it's some sort of leasing set up?
The Bolton Streetdeck order was effectively the 2019 & 2020 orders combined due to Wrightbus woes.
Rotala have their sights on getting bigger, therefore, there may be opportunities to split the concentration of a large batch of similar aged buses up in the future.
And a good price because customers are thin on the ground?
Does anyone know if any of the former Wigan Coachways stuff is still in the fleet with Rotala and where?
Quote from: BD12TCJ on February 22, 2020, 08:32:09 PM
Does anyone know if any of the former Wigan Coachways stuff is still in the fleet with Rotala and where?
Full Rotala fleet list is available on the main site
Quote from: Tony on February 22, 2020, 08:37:30 PM
Full Rotala fleet list is available on the main site
Ta
Looks like 40705 is going to be off the road for a bit now
https://mobile.twitter.com/CarlEHaslam/status/1255515725453840390/photo/2
What will the open top(s?) be used for at Bolton?
New Rotala Spec Streetdecks are beginning to enter service at Bolton:
DBNW promotional video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiaTQFmi02Q&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2JkldMHAt33F_Z3osJz3eEerN2fPqbAONIsuW5Y3R67QOHIV_qVnIOnA0
Looks like the 19 plate street decks have had there displays changed to oranges LED displays like the new 20 plate ones
Quote from: Jack6101 on August 09, 2020, 03:01:35 PM
Looks like the 19 plate street decks have had there displays changed to oranges LED displays like the new 20 plate ones
Changed to Mobitec units I believe
Quote from: Winston on July 15, 2020, 10:48:00 PM
New Rotala Spec Streetdecks are beginning to enter service at Bolton:
DBNW promotional video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiaTQFmi02Q&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2JkldMHAt33F_Z3osJz3eEerN2fPqbAONIsuW5Y3R67QOHIV_qVnIOnA0
40745 was the highest numbered one I saw on Thursday
http://wmbusphotos.com/diamondpages/40745.html
Diamond has sadly lost a number of Transport for Greater Manchester (TfGM) contracts from 11 April, which were operated by Eccles depot.
I make it 7 buses with the lose of the contracts
Quote from: Solo1 on February 09, 2021, 10:49:01 AM
I make it 7 buses with the lose of the contracts
Are there still TFWM tender contract changes as well in April this year still as well, like previous years? If so which routes are up for tender/affected this year?
Quote from: 2206 on February 09, 2021, 10:57:08 AM
Are there still TFWM tender contract changes as well in April this year still as well, like previous years? If so which routes are up for tender/affected this year?
All contracts have been extended until June,
Simon
Quote from: Solo1 on February 09, 2021, 10:49:01 AM
I make it 7 buses with the lose of the contracts
PVR reduction is 4, after taking into consideration the wins and losses.
Simon
I see that Andy Burnham, the Mayor of Manchester is railroading ahead with his Bus Franchising.
I sincerely, hope that this doesn't means the end of Diamond in the Manchester area.
Quote from: LancashireLad on March 26, 2021, 08:38:22 PM
I see that Andy Burnham, the Mayor of Manchester is railroading ahead with his Bus Franchising.
I sincerely, hope that this doesn't means the end of Diamond in the Manchester area.
Why would it?
Did not they move into the area because they saw franchising as an opportunity.
At the time I thought it was a bad idea as whatever the posturing First and Stagecoach would stitch up the tendering, but now First is much less of a force perhaps not?
@WWH44L This is why 33019 is withdrawn:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/it-surreal-could-see-flames-23838683
Quote@WWH44L
This is why 33019 is withdrawn:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/it-surreal-could-see-flames-23838683
Is that 33012 from May?
Quote from: winston on August 30, 2022, 07:23:53 PM@WWH44L
This is why 33019 is withdrawn:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/it-surreal-could-see-flames-23838683
Thanks Winston but that article is from may and is 33012.
Quote from: WWH44L on August 30, 2022, 09:09:57 PMThanks Winston but that article is from may and is 33012.
Oh, forgot that was 33012 & written off.
33019 is only showing as VOR on the fleetlist at present, it *could* possibly re-enter service
Nice to see the Nw open topper at Aston Manor today.
QuoteNice to see the Nw open topper at Aston Manor today.
It's not the 'North West' one. It's from Burton
Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2022, 05:11:11 PMIt's not the 'North West' one. It's from Burton
Sure the legal lettering said Diamond North West.
DBNW have won a number of awards at today's UK Bus Awards ceremony, pretty impressive turnaround after the initial problems that followed Rotala's acquisition of Bolton Depot from First Group:
Gold Winner - Top City Operator
Silver Winner - UK Bus Operator of the Year
Bronze Winner - Mick Branigan - Engineer of the Year
Also one for Preston Bus:
Silver Winner - Top National Bus Driver - Darren Dalton
https://www.facebook.com/UKBusAwards
Quote from: winston on November 15, 2022, 05:52:00 PMDBNW have won a number of awards at today's UK Bus Awards ceremony, pretty impressive turnaround after the initial problems that followed Rotala's acquisition of Bolton Depot from First Group:
Gold Winner - Top City Operator
Silver Winner - UK Bus Operator of the Year
Bronze Winner - Mick Branigan - Engineer of the Year
Also one for Preston Bus:
Silver Winner - Top National Bus Driver - Darren Dalton
https://www.facebook.com/UKBusAwards
Well done to Simon and all his staff at Bolton.
https://www.passengertransport.co.uk/2022/12/go-ahead-set-for-gm-bus-franchise-success/
Quote from: winston on December 15, 2022, 10:30:29 PMhttps://www.passengertransport.co.uk/2022/12/go-ahead-set-for-gm-bus-franchise-success/
What does this mean for Bolton depot, and the large batch of Streetdecks?
QuoteWhat does this mean for Bolton depot, and the large batch of Streetdecks?
Depot and Streetdecks will both be purchased by TfGM and leased to GoAhead
Quote from: Tony on December 16, 2022, 06:11:32 AMDepot and Streetdecks will both be purchased by TfGM and leased to GoAhead
TfGM will only be acquiring the existing depots at the most. But there are no contractural or legal obligations for operators to either sell their depots to TfGM or their vehicles to new the operator.
Operators will own their own fleets & it's up to the incumbent operator what if anything they want to sell.
Also Diamond have won some work according to the article and presumably will bid for work for the second and third group of services. It depends upon whether there's enough to make the depot sustainable.
Noticed 33019 is back in service. Doesn't sound too healthy though. Can hear it a mile off hoovering along. :huh:
Last year Diamond Bus North West supported a TV series called 'No Place Like Home', One of our vehicles was used to travel along our 471 route for part of the programme. The episode will air on Channel 5 on Wednesday 11th January at 9pm, if you would like to watch.
It has been revealed in the press that Diamond North West are to cease operating a number of commercial services later this spring ahead of the takeover of Bolton depot by Go North West. GfWM has said it will look at whether the services can be subsidised to keep them running until the new franchise starts in September. Diamond have stated its unlikely they will accept a subsidy.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on January 17, 2023, 10:57:45 AMIt has been revealed in the press that Diamond North West are to cease operating a number of commercial services later this spring ahead of the takeover of Bolton depot by Go North West. GfWM has said it will look at whether the services can be subsidised to keep them running until the new franchise starts in September. Diamond have stated its unlikely they will accept a subsidy.
Services 21, 163, 520, 561, 562 and 575 are proposed to be withdrawn.
Services 8, 36, 37, 524 and 582 will each be reduced from every 12 to every 15 minutes.
https://democracy.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/documents/s24211/GMTC%20Bus%2020230120%20Forthcoming%20Changes%20to%20the%20Bus%20Network%20-%20Part%20A.pdf
Quote from: winston on January 17, 2023, 11:04:37 AMServices 21, 163, 520, 561, 562 and 575 are proposed to be withdrawn.
Services 8, 36, 37, 524 and 582 will each be reduced from every 12 to every 15 minutes.
https://democracy.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/documents/s24211/GMTC%20Bus%2020230120%20Forthcoming%20Changes%20to%20the%20Bus%20Network%20-%20Part%20A.pdf
This is despite a pledge by GfWM before the franchises were announced that there would be no changes to services beforehand.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on January 17, 2023, 12:32:43 PMThis is despite a pledge by GfWM before the franchises were announced that there would be no changes to services beforehand.
TfGM don't control those services yet, they are still commercial, therefore, operators can still do what they see fit as regards services changes. There's nothing stopping TfGM replacing them with subsidised services, that said how easy it will be to find another operator to provide them for only 5 months is debatable.
Vision Bus are also withdrawing their 527.
Quote from: winston on January 17, 2023, 12:39:24 PMTfGM don't control those services yet, they are still commercial, therefore, operators can still do what they see fit as regards services changes. There's nothing stopping TfGM replacing them with subsidised services, that said how easy it will be to find another operator to provide them for only 5 months is debatable.
Vision Bus are also withdrawing their 527.
Unless Go North West are prepared to take over those or some of the services early, I agree that it's not going to be easy.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on January 17, 2023, 02:15:33 PMUnless Go North West are prepared to take over those or some of the services early, I agree that it's not going to be easy.
It also depends when TfGM take ownership of DBNW Bolton Depot
Quote from: winston on January 17, 2023, 11:04:37 AMServices 21, 163, 520, 561, 562 and 575 are proposed to be withdrawn.
Services 8, 36, 37, 524 and 582 will each be reduced from every 12 to every 15 minutes.
https://democracy.greatermanchester-ca.gov.uk/documents/s24211/GMTC%20Bus%2020230120%20Forthcoming%20Changes%20to%20the%20Bus%20Network%20-%20Part%20A.pdf
TfGM will be subsidising all the routes to be withdrawn by both Diamond Bus North West & Vision Bus, no confirmation of who will be operating them yet though. The DBNW 163 will continue on a reduced 15min frequency, 21 will also continue by DBNW.https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/...r-26269668 (https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/seven-bus-services-greater-manchester-26269668)
Curiously the Vehicle Operator Licensing website states the other services proposed to be withdrawn has them still registered with Diamond Bus North West from 16th April 2023.
To be fair to Diamond and Vision, I can see why they have done it. If the commercial routes aren't making money anymore (whether that be actually making money or smart accounting so that they make no money), why keep sustaining a loss when in a few months time, the routes get kind of seized. You'll get no thanks, no bonus or reward, you take all the losses and then TFGM turn up and say 'Goodbye, enjoy your new home'.
How long would you as a business take a loss when you know that in a matter of months, you lose a major part of your business. If franchising wasn't a think, smart accounting, some lucrative tenders wins and maybe working with the govt schemes could bring the routes back to profitability but what is the point in doing any of that when in a few months, no matter if you put billions into the route or zero, you'll end up with the exact same result, nothing.
Low height Streetdeck 40714 was tracking back in Bolton this morning. Does anyone know if this was for real or was it another vehicle tracking as it?
Rotala have this afternoon annouced to the stock market, that they have acquired the Go Goodwins Eccles depot opposite their existing DBNW Eccles depot & will also be leasing a small depot in Central Bolton:
http://otp.investis.com/clients/uk/rotala/rns/regulatory-story.aspx?cid=182&newsid=1678472
Why is the route branding on the Manchester buses above the top deck windows would it not have been better on the bottom or above the lower windows
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/554331171673210900/1095099858353926174/IMG_8469.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1066412056233910407/1095091370789716058/FB_IMG_1681160507823.jpg
Second diamond streetdeck to hit a bridge this week this time up north... 40761 / MX20 KYU was on a deadrun so everyone is safe luckily
Quote from: EK40 on April 11, 2023, 12:29:10 AMhttps://media.discordapp.net/attachments/554331171673210900/1095099858353926174/IMG_8469.png
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1066412056233910407/1095091370789716058/FB_IMG_1681160507823.jpg
Second diamond streetdeck to hit a bridge this week this time up north... 40761 / MX20 KYU was on a deadrun so everyone is safe luckily
Expensive weekend for Rotala...
Didn't the driver realise the height of the bus & the bridge height must have a route that take dead to depot
Apparently the bridge was in a drivers handbook to avoid because its claimed a few doubles before last being a GNE B9TL
Quote from: Solo1 on April 11, 2023, 07:33:33 AMDidn't the driver realise the height of the bus & the bridge height must have a route that take dead to depot
Quote from: EK40 on April 11, 2023, 07:59:00 AMApparently the bridge was in a drivers handbook to avoid because its claimed a few doubles before last being a GNE B9TL
so why go that way if it was in drivers handbook as they must of had poster up in the depot as well to warn drivers of the bridge
Quote from: Solo1 on April 11, 2023, 08:52:42 AMso why go that way if it was in drivers handbook as they must of had poster up in the depot as well to warn drivers of the bridge
Whats even worse is the bridge has those height check bars guarding it on either side
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/835932857368969338/1095272193568546817/IMG_8195.jpg
Just seen mellor 21225 in Bromley Cross Bolton not in service. Is this another transfer to the North West?
Quote from: WWH44L on May 03, 2023, 09:24:07 AMJust seen mellor 21225 in Bromley Cross Bolton not in service. Is this another transfer to the North West?
Yes - see Rotala Fleetchanges on the Main Site:
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/Rotala.html
Quote from: winston on May 03, 2023, 09:29:46 AMYes - see Rotala Fleetchanges on the Main Site:
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/Rotala.html
Cheers Winston, missed those on the latest update 😉
Rotala have acquired 14 ex First Group DF Streetlites which were leased to FG, they are retrofitted to Euro 6 and will be used by Rotala as interim Bee Network fleet for the take up of 7 x Small Franchise Awarded from September 2023. New vehicle deliveries are not now expected to commence until early 2024:| 32270 | SM13NEJ |
| 32271 | SK63KHH |
| 32272 | SK63KHJ |
| 32273 | SK63KHM |
| 32274 | SK63KHR |
| 32275 | SM13NAO |
| 32276 | SM13NAE |
| 32277 | SM13NBD |
| 32278 | SM13NBE |
| 32279 | SM13NBF |
| 32280 | SM13NBG |
| 32281 | SM13NBJ |
| 32282 | SM13NBK |
| 32283 | SM13NBL |
Quote from: winston on May 21, 2023, 01:24:39 PMRotala have acquired 14 ex First Group DF Streetlites which were leased to FG, they are retrofitted to Euro 6 and will be used by Rotala as interim Bee Network fleet for the take up of 7 x Small Franchise Awarded from September 2023. New vehicle deliveries are not now expected to commence until early 2024:
| 32270 | SM13NEJ |
| 32271 | SK63KHH |
| 32272 | SK63KHJ |
| 32273 | SK63KHM |
| 32274 | SK63KHR |
| 32275 | SM13NAO |
| 32276 | SM13NAE |
| 32277 | SM13NBD |
| 32278 | SM13NBE |
| 32279 | SM13NBF |
| 32280 | SM13NBG |
| 32281 | SM13NBJ |
| 32282 | SM13NBK |
| 32283 | SM13NBL |
Most of these are currently with First Leicester but are due to be replaced by GB Kites very soon
First fleet numbers for ones in Leicester:
63068 - SM13 NAE
63069 - SM13 NAO
63072 - SM13 NBD
63073 - SM13 NBE
63074 - SM13 NBF
63075 - SM13 NBG
63076 - SM13 NBJ
63077 - SM13 NBK
63078 - SM13 NBL
Quote from: SSmith2009 on May 21, 2023, 05:58:38 PMMost of these are currently with First Leicester but are due to be replaced by GB Kites very soon
First fleet numbers for ones in Leicester:
63068 - SM13 NAE
63069 - SM13 NAO
63072 - SM13 NBD
63073 - SM13 NBE
63074 - SM13 NBF
63075 - SM13 NBG
63076 - SM13 NBJ
63077 - SM13 NBK
63078 - SM13 NBL
There are two GB Kites tracking in service on the 17 today (63502 & 63504), I assume the above Streetlites will be released to Rotala soon.
To confirm, Rotala will be selling the following vehicles to Go North West 24/09/23:
Optare Solo - 30100 (1)
Volvo B7RLE - 30928 (1)
E200's - 30962, 30971, 30975-77, 31407/8, 31411 & 31414/5 (10)
Citaros - 33010/1, 33013-19, 33021-31 & 33033 (21)
Streetdecks - 40700-13, 40720-24, 40727, 40733-60, 40762-804, 40809-17 & 40821 (101)
Total = 134
Diamond Bus North West will retain a further 6 x Streetdecks - 40728-32 & 40761 which will go in to Bee Network Livery for use on their 7 small franchises from 24/09/23.
New ADL E200MMC's currently on order in TfGM Bee Network Livery for the 7 small franchises are as follows:
25 x 9.7m (27 Seaters) - numbered 20600-20624
35 x 11.8m (37 Seaters) - numbered 30650-30684
These are due for delivery during Jan 2024
Quote from: winston on June 05, 2023, 12:31:23 PMNew ADL E200MMC's currently on order in TfGM Bee Network Livery for the 7 small franchises are as follows:
25 x 9.7m (27 Seaters) - numbered 20600-20624
35 x 11.8m (37 Seaters) - numbered 30650-30684
These are due for delivery during Jan 2024
Are these dual door?
Quote from: MW on June 05, 2023, 06:18:36 PMAre these dual door?
No - but they'll have two wheelchair bays (TfGM requirement)
DBNW have won a further small franchise in Tranche 2 covering Oldham:
https://www.diamondbuses.com/news/tfgmgmca-franchise-contracts-tranche-2/
Rotala have ordered a further 7 x ADL E200MMC's (10.8m) to be numbered 30685-30691
Quote from: winston on June 23, 2023, 04:29:18 PMDBNW have won a further small franchise in Tranche 2 covering Oldham:
https://www.diamondbuses.com/news/tfgmgmca-franchise-contracts-tranche-2/
Rotala have ordered a further 7 x ADL E200MMC's (10.8m) to be numbered 30685-30691
Would of expected them to order streetlites based from previous orders
Quote from: Lukeee on June 23, 2023, 11:46:49 PMWould of expected them to order streetlites based from previous orders
The last order was a big batch of E200MMCs
It may also be stipulated in the franchise what size bus can be used on the services.
Quote from: Tony on June 24, 2023, 08:57:57 AMThe last order was a big batch of E200MMCs
So it was, I wasn't aware of that
Quote from: Lukeee on June 25, 2023, 12:33:23 PMSo it was, I wasn't aware of that
It was initially 60 x Volvo B8RLE / MCV EVoRa on order for DBNW, but 60 x ADL E200MMC's had to subsequently be ordered instead. Followed by the latest additional 7 x E200MMC's, totalling 67.
looks like the bee network E200MMCs have started to enter service, 20600,601,605 currently in service.
DBNW have won another 3 small franchises from Tranche 3 with 25 buses worth of work:
https://www.diamondbuses.com/news/gmcatfgm-franchise-contracts-tranche-3-awards/