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Are all the Scanias going to move? Or are the rest staying at Coventry?

1867 was on Allesley Old Road operating service 23 on Sunday.

Present and Now Omlinik:-

1863 - CV
1864 - CV
1865 - CV
1866 - CV ( NXWM Livery and working on the 27)
1867 - PB
1868- PB (Yesterday way to Walsall garage - most likely)
1869 - PB
1870 - PB
1871 - PB
1872 - CV
1873 - CV
1874 - CV
1875-1877 - PB

1604 and 1612 maybe been withdrawn because haven't seen on service in around coventry. 1547,1548 and 1608 still working in Coventry today can be seen on the 16/A and 18/A. 1608 is fantastic condition and This week 1608 almost working on service!
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>> I've just seen 1867 operating in Coventry on service 23 (Sunday 14th) so that one can't be at Perry Barr.

I read 4453 was done as the original 4453 was a Coventry bus and the EVC in the number plate would have been a Coventry plate under the old registration system.

Anyhows, back to Pensnett. I used to think of it as a bit of a freak of a garage as it started life as a minibus operation, had no double deckers, and a lot if its vehicles weren't even full size. But it's becoming pretty normal now isn't it?

The East Lancs bodied Fleetline 4453 delivered to WMPTE (but to Coventry Transport spec) in 1974, never actually carried the Marshall red & ivory livery of-course. But the reg mark on the Trident was close enough.

BCT's last number used was 3880 and WMPTE carried on using the series upto 7054 in 1980.
When Coventry, West Bromwich, Walsall & Wolverhampton buses were acquired their numbers had a letter suffix added.
Midland Red aquisitions kept their original numbers.

A fair chunk of the ex-Coventry Transport fleet survived well into the 1980's and some had 1xxx added to their old Coventry fleet numbers, so 23Y [originally 23] became 1023 and so on. The last few ran until deregulation in Oct 1986.

Tony, Where is 2177??? 2177 hasn't in Coventry or Willenhall yet!

2177 was in Pool Meadow at 16.45 today (Friday 28th June).

I don't suppose 4218 will ever see a return to Coventry? - would make the fleet numbers at CV look a bit better! (i.e. no gaps between 4203-24)

Paulb,

4 ex WN Excels are now stored at PE i.e. 684, 687, 708 & 711

Along with 1346, 1414, 1471, 1472, 1503, 1504, 1644, 1663 & 1664 that you have already mentioned.

I can only assume, if not at Miller St or Pensnett they will more than likely be stored at Lea Hall as the Car Park is no longer used

Re the buses you have down as stored at Lea Hall, have you seen these yourself? As I haven't seen any reports of the contents of LH for a while, probably since it was last emptied when a sale was previously agreed

Going by Tony's notes for MS - is the withdrawn/stored fleet to be found at these locations? (?? = unknown, but presumably these are at LH or PE or within an active garage)..

277 etc

Thanks for the further updates. Nah I've haven't seen the contents of Lea Hall - its more based on a process of elimination using updates on here generally for Pensnett & more recently re. MS from Tony! A few of those marked LH or '??' might have been sold but I go by Tony's monthly updates regards sales/withdrawals and transfers. It would be nice to get something a bit more official, but I suppose visits to Lea Hall are few & far between.

Yes, only the select few can probably see the contents of LH. I would have thought it's fairly safe to assume that most of the B6LE, B10L & Mercs location unknown are in LH. NXWM don't seem to be in any great hurry to dispose of B10L's for scrap, possibly because of their higher book value due to refurb etc

I was going to post something similar - some of those B6 & B10L's have been stored for a very long time indeed. In days of old (thinking of Fleetlines and Metrobuses) large scale withdrawals of ex-West Midlands types could see these flood the second-hand bus market, granted quite a few Mk1 Metro's went straight to scrap. Has there been a policy by NX of selling withdrawn vehicles to scrap regardless of age or condition, thereby preventing potential competitors acting against or in direction competition with NX companies?

Paulb,

4 ex WN Excels are now stored at PE i.e. 684, 687, 708 & 711

Along with 1346, 1414, 1471, 1472, 1503, 1504, 1644, 1663 & 1664 that you have already mentioned.

I can only assume, if not at Miller St or Pensnett they will more than likely be stored at Lea Hall as the Car Park is no longer used

Re the buses you have down as stored at Lea Hall, have you seen these yourself? As I haven't seen any reports of the contents of LH for a while, probably since it was last emptied when a sale was previously agreed

Going by Tony's notes for MS - is the withdrawn/stored fleet to be found at these locations? (?? = unknown, but presumably these are at LH or PE or within an active garage)..

277(??)/281(LH)/292(LH)/293(MS)

517(MS)/530(MS)/541(MS)/556(??)/560(LH)/561(LH)/572(LH)/579(MS)/594(MS)/595(??)/596(??)/597(WA)/606(MS)/616(LH)/619(MS)/622(WA)/624(LH)/630(??)/635(LH)/636(LH)/642(LH)/643(??)
645(MS)/648(??)/649(LH)/650(MS)/651(LH)/654(WA)/655(WA)/658(??)/660(??)/661(??)/664(??)/665(MS)/668(??)/671(LH)/672(LH)/674(??)/675(??)/676(MS)/681(LH)

684(PE)/693(MS)/707(??)/708(??)/711(PE)

1346(PE)

1401(LH)/1402(LH)/1405(LH)/1409(LH)/1412(WA)/1414(PE)/1415(LH)/1416(LH)/1418(LH)/1420(LH)/1422(LH)/1424(LH)/1427(LH)/1429(LH)/1435(MS)/1437(LH)/1441(LH)/1442(PE)/1443(LH)/1448(MS)
1449(LH)/1452(??)/1455(LH)/1456(LH)/1458(LH)/1461(LH)/1463(??)/1465(??)/1467(LH)/1471(PE)/1472(PE)/1476(LH)/1478(LH)

1503(PE)/1504(PE)/1507(LH)/1510(LH)/1513(LH)

1517(MS)/1522(MS)/1526(??)/1527(MS)/1528(LH)/1529(??)/1533(MS)/1537(MS)/1538(LH)/1539(MS)/1542(MS)/1555(MS)/1562(MS?)/1576(??)/1578(MS)/1580(MS)/1590(LH)/1600(??)/1605(MS)
1606(MS)/1609(MS)/1611(??)/1619(??)/1622(??)/1624(LH)/1626(??)/1644(PE)/1663(PE)/1664(PE)

3606(??)/3607(??)/3609(??)/3610(??)/3611(??)/3613(??)

7084(??)/7086(MS)

7115(MS)/7123(MS)/7125(MS)/7126(MS)

9697(MS tbc)/9955(MS)

I'm hoping for any updates/corrections.

Paul

Thanks for the further updates. Nah I've haven't seen the contents of Lea Hall - its more based on a process of elimination using updates on here generally for Pensnett & more recently re. MS from Tony! A few of those marked LH or '??' might have been sold but I go by Tony's monthly updates regards sales/withdrawals and transfers. It would be nice to get something a bit more official, but I suppose visits to Lea Hall are few & far between.

Going by Tony's notes for MS - is the withdrawn/stored fleet to be found at these locations? (?? = unknown, but presumably these are at LH or PE or within an active garage)..

277(??)/281(LH)/292(LH)/293(MS)

517(MS)/530(MS)/541(MS)/556(??)/560(LH)/561(LH)/572(LH)/579(MS)/594(MS)/595(??)/596(??)/597(WA)/606(MS)/616(LH)/619(MS)/622(WA)/624(LH)/630(??)/635(LH)/636(LH)/642(LH)/643(??)
645(MS)/648(??)/649(LH)/650(MS)/651(LH)/654(WA)/655(WA)/658(??)/660(??)/661(??)/664(??)/665(MS)/668(??)/671(LH)/672(LH)/674(??)/675(??)/676(MS)/681(LH)

684(PE)/693(MS)/707(??)/708(??)/711(PE)

1346(PE)

1401(LH)/1402(LH)/1405(LH)/1409(LH)/1412(WA)/1414(PE)/1415(LH)/1416(LH)/1418(LH)/1420(LH)/1422(LH)/1424(LH)/1427(LH)/1429(LH)/1435(MS)/1437(LH)/1441(LH)/1442(PE)/1443(LH)/1448(MS)
1449(LH)/1452(??)/1455(LH)/1456(LH)/1458(LH)/1461(LH)/1463(??)/1465(??)/1467(LH)/1471(PE)/1472(PE)/1476(LH)/1478(LH)

1503(PE)/1504(PE)/1507(LH)/1510(LH)/1513(LH)

1517(MS)/1522(MS)/1526(??)/1527(MS)/1528(LH)/1529(??)/1533(MS)/1537(MS)/1538(LH)/1539(MS)/1542(MS)/1555(MS)/1562(MS?)/1576(??)/1578(MS)/1580(MS)/1590(LH)/1600(??)/1605(MS)
1606(MS)/1609(MS)/1611(??)/1619(??)/1622(??)/1624(LH)/1626(??)/1644(PE)/1663(PE)/1664(PE)

3606(??)/3607(??)/3609(??)/3610(??)/3611(??)/3613(??)

7084(??)/7086(MS)

7115(MS)/7123(MS)/7125(MS)/7126(MS)

9697(MS tbc)/9955(MS)

I'm hoping for any updates/corrections.

Paul

Vehicles currently in Miller Street at 10:45  on 24/6 excluding the training fleet are
293
517, 530, 541, 579, 594, 606, 619,645, 650, 665, 676
693
1435, 1448
1517, 1522, 1533, 1537, 1539, 1542, 1555, 1578, 1580, 1605, 1606, 1609
7086, 7115, 7123, 7125, 7126

Ex-Coventry 1555 seems to be a new addition, this carries NXC livery. Is damaged 1562 and are stored trainers 9697 (T697 FJW) and 9955 [ex-2955] still at Miller St?

Saw 1501 re-numbered to 9501 in Coventry last week.
Are any other trainers in the 15XX series now in 95xx
re-numbered series ???

I saw it too, I don't think it is an official re-numbering, but who knows. 3 have gone; 1511 sold to EMR for scrap 5/13 and 1502/1506 were sold to PVS, Barnsley for scrap 5/12.

Oh right!
Erm, sorry about that then.

For general quickness and accessibility, Stagecoach's 48 is the best to travel from Coventry to Nuneaton.

The service is every 10 minutes and the journey takes 45 minutes.

The confusing thing is that the 48 will most likely be displaying 'Atherstone' or 'Leicester'.
If you see a bus with 'Nuneaton' on the front (a 55 or 56) then it will get you there, but using a much more convoluted (though more interesting) route.

The 20 is run by National Express Coventry and goes near to Bedworth train station, but not quite to it.
The timetable is here:
It runs every 10 minutes during the day.
Don't catch the 20a or 20e though, as you won't end up in Bedworth! :D

Your best bet is to get off at Bedworth town centre (the bus stop is next to a huge Iceland) and follow http://goo.gl/maps/0u7Cy
This isn't the quickest way to get there, but it's probably for the best than advising you to get off at an obscure stop and giving an even more obscure route to the station!

All of the above can be caught in Trinity Street Coventry.

The 20A was numbered 40 until Feb 2012, matching other Foleshill Rd services ending in '0' - looked and sounded better if you ask me and avoided any potential confusion.

I had the missing 15 as further Volvo B7RLE (a theoretical 2178-92 - well up to 2193 but that was before the purchase of 2153, which I assume is counted in this 130 total). Another 45 Enviro400 will take fleet numbers up to 4939 presumably - and the 5000 mark will be broken with any further double-deck orders. Obviously the hybrids are already in the 5xxx series.

Hi Paul,

Is this missing 15 further Volvo B7RLE more of an assumption or an actual confirmed order?

Treat that as an assumption and not confirmed. I keep abreast of NX developments on here, the WMBus Yahoo group & various sources on the internet etc - and keep a small MS Word file on the whole fleet. I had it as 40 Volvo B7RLE arriving - but I'm not sure where I got that info from! So don't take that as given. I suppose NX could get 15 vehicles of a completely different design, assuming they are on order at-all. But logic suggests further Volvo B7RLE/Enviro400 - I don't think any more Enviro200's or Hybrids are due.

Thanks Paul,

I guess the other 15 could be another batch of B7RLE or possibly even Enviro 200's as there are still 40 x B6LE in service + Dundee still have quite a few elderly Solo's left in service. Not sure why NX are so cagey these days about announcing order breakdowns, I can understand them not wanting to announce to the competition what routes they are intending to upgrade etc for commercial reasons.

I'm still thinking NX may bring forward some/all of the 2014 order to be able to buy more Euro 5 buses, rather than having to buy more expensive Euro 6 models. I believe NX's current standard single & double deck models will both be changing, I think I read ADL were giving the E400 a facelift and the B7RLE will become the B8RLE

Yes, there are still a few B6LE's hanging around that need replacing. Looks like more variety in the NX bus fleet, although I guess manufacturers Volvo and ADL and possibly Wrights will dominate.

Another 45 Enviro400 will take fleet numbers up to 4939 presumably - and the 5000 mark will be broken with any further double-deck orders. Obviously the hybrids are already in the 5xxx series.

They could use 3xxx onwards but then again WB have got Darts numbered 3xxx

You would assume they'll just carry the fleet numbers on - with the Hybrids occupying the 54xx & 55xx series, there is still a big gap of 400+ numbers.

I had the missing 15 as further Volvo B7RLE (a theoretical 2178-92 - well up to 2193 but that was before the purchase of 2153, which I assume is counted in this 130 total). Another 45 Enviro400 will take fleet numbers up to 4939 presumably - and the 5000 mark will be broken with any further double-deck orders. Obviously the hybrids are already in the 5xxx series.

Hi Paul,

Is this missing 15 further Volvo B7RLE more of an assumption or an actual confirmed order?

Treat that as an assumption and not confirmed. I keep abreast of NX developments on here, the WMBus Yahoo group & various sources on the internet etc - and keep a small MS Word file on the whole fleet. I had it as 40 Volvo B7RLE arriving - but I'm not sure where I got that info from! So don't take that as given. I suppose NX could get 15 vehicles of a completely different design, assuming they are on order at-all. But logic suggests further Volvo B7RLE/Enviro400 - I don't think any more Enviro200's or Hybrids are due.