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#76
Quote from: JPC on August 11, 2021, 09:33:54 PM
Blimey, quite a few surprises ... my initial thoughts:

1 - I don't really understand the rerouting nor the Coundon extension, apart from giving an extra daytime bus per hour between City & Canley Station resulting in a imbalanced headway, there obviously was a plan for this to extend all the way to Arena Park which hasn't come to fruition, I suppose there has been some wrangling or disagreement with TfWM.  I don't expect this to last a long time in this form.
2 - Should be more reliable than current service.
5 - The Radford - Arena Park section has degraded to a hourly 'shopping service' and buses will be inefficiently parked at Arena for 27 mins which is probably a make shift due to the above.
7 - Similar to the pre-2006 route.
5A/7A - Rather short journeys to Coundon but also a harkback to the past.
9/9A - I suppose Stoney and Humphrey Burton's Rd have had it too good for too long.
18A - Nicely integrated with the existing 18 makes good sense and shouldn't bother Canley locals too much as from their perspective is an 'against flow' service, the current setup is typically one full and one empty bus nearly in unison.
19 - very surprised this is going to run via Leamington Road and A45 Kenpas Highway.
24/25/25A - all now run along Leamington Rd with stops added on St Martins Rd and Brentwood Avenue in Finham, a much improved hourly service as far as Baginton village/Rowley Rd - generally improved overall utilising more buses.

The re-routing of the 1 renders Queensland Avenue without a bus service - is that correct? An Earlsdon to Chapelfields link is maintained albeit by another route. I assume the Earlsdon area will benefit slightly with both the 1 & 2 running along Earlsdon Street (or do I have the routing of service 1 wrong).

Service 5 short journeys (assuming they do exist) will end at Burnaby Rd/Holbrook Lane or do the circle around Everdon Road and come back again?
#77
Quote from: OH25 on August 11, 2021, 02:52:49 PM
from the timetables provided:

1 - Coventry to Coundon via Earlsdon (Mon-Sat every 60 mins) extended from Chapelfields
2 - Coventry to Tile Hill South via Earlsdon (Mon-Sat every 30 mins & Sun 60 mins)

5 - Coventry to Whitmore Park/Longford (Mon-Sat every 30 mins but one of the two buses per hour will go to Longford Tesco & Sun every 60 mins to Whitmore Park)
5A - Coventry to Coundon (Mon-Sat every 30 mins & Sun every 60 mins)

7 - Bell Green to Brownshill Green (Mon-Sun every 30 mins)
7A - Bell Green to Coundon (Mon-Sat every 30 mins) same terminus as 5A in Coundon (Morfa Gardens)
7B - Cardinal Wiseman School to Brownshill Green (school service)

nothing has been stated about the 10/10A/10B

18A - Coventry to Tile Hill South (extended from Westwood Business Park)
19 - Coventry to Westwood Business Park  (Mon-Sat every 30 mins)

24 - Coventry to Tile Hill Station via Kenilworth (Mon-Sat from Cov 8:05/9:05 then every 2 hours until 15:05)
25 - Coventry to Rugby (Mon-Sat from Cov 6:50/7:35 to Ryton only/ 10:05 then every 2 hours until 16:05)
25A - Coventry to Bourton (Mon-Sat from Cov 17:10 to Ryton only and 18:10)+(06:44 from Bourton and 08:15 from Ryton)

85 - Coventry to Rugby (Mon-Sat has an all day service with an 85B service in the gaps of this timetable)
85A is withdrawn and included with the above 85 service

85S - Coventry to Rugby
585S - Coventry to Rugby (leaves 5 mins after the above 85S from Coventry at 7:15)


Routes 3, 8/8A, 9/9A, 13/13A, 14/14A, 17/17A, 18, 21/21A all have changes to the timetables

I believe that is everything based off what the website is showing.

5A is basically the old very short 6 service to Kingsbury Rd (which was actually numbered 5A until the late 70s). I assume the 5A/7A will use the terminus at Kingsbury Road (the bus shelter outside the Brooklands pub) rather than directly outside Morfa Gardens - unless they can turn around there? On the same theme, where does this extended 1 turn around?
#78
Quote from: JPC on August 04, 2021, 05:26:35 PM
Looks like Enviro200 840 was doing training duties today for the 'new' 24 route,
The ultimate purpose of the 'Tile Hill' extension is to enhance the link from Burton Green into Kenilworth and I suppose it is probably only two journeys each way per day like the current 539 to/from Malthouse Lane - but still more useful than the existing once a week offering from A&M which hopefully continues for the needy residents of Balsall Common and Carol Green.

I have a feeling two lesser used journeys between Kenilworth Clock and Stoneleigh, i.e first trip from and last trip towards Kenilworth will run direct along Albion St in order to save just about enough time to cover the extension.  Looking forward now to finding out what's going to happen.

I suppose this could have been renumbered 39 (and the 580 to 80) rather than 24, 25 etc. The 585 lost the first '5' a while back (granted, not on Sunday).
#79
Quote from: JPC on July 27, 2021, 06:37:04 PM
Coventry did have a service 29 which I imagine started sometime around de-regulation and lasted until the April 2006 changes, a variant of the then service 19 (City-Canley) running in the early mornings, evenings and Sundays, taking in Spon End, Hearsall Common, Canley Station, Sheriff Ave, Charter Ave to Curriers Close.  Although Canley Station level crossing was closed in about 2004 and the service re-routed via Herald Ave it still lasted for two further years before being amalgamated to service 19.

Correct. From my own notes as at 1/4/06: 29 City Centre - Canley via Hearsall Common & Herald Avenue. I assume on 2/4/06 the changes mentioned above were implemented.

The City, Pool Meadow - Brownshill Green 10 commenced in Coventry Transport days (it was operating as at 1 Jan 1974 and quite possibly earlier than that) and ran until April 1985 in the PTE era. And the next 10 was basically a renumbered service 19 from that point, and I think the number has been in constant use since.
#80
Quote from: JPC on July 25, 2021, 08:42:59 PM
Furthermore, and after looking at Coundon Cycleway plans, yes it seems the turnaround on Norman Place Road is staying put and will be slightly reduced in size to allow the cycleway to veer behind it's 'floating' bus stop, today the short 5 journeys which are currently only scheduled on a Sunday are turning at the Brownshill Green Rd roundabout which in honestly I think should occur permanently and the turnaround mothballed, it's just one extra stop and has a significant spread of residential area nearby deserving of a more regular bus service.
Closer to the City Centre the plans also show intentions to close the busy junction of Barras Lane with Holyhead Road and open up a new junction on Upper Hill Street to/from the clockwise slip of the Ring Road.

Yes, I hadn't thought of that, but the Brownshill Green Rd/Norman Place Rd roundabout would be sensible. In fact, there are a number of roundabouts beyond that which could be used. Coventry city centre (and the other side of the Ring Road) is full of dead-end roads - so that would be one less.

So from a numbers point of view we lose: 1, 10/10A, 539, 580. But gain: 24, 25/25A, 26, 28, 29/29A - when was the last time a service 10 didn't run at all in Coventry ?
#81
Quote from: JPC on July 22, 2021, 07:43:12 PM
Ah, I suppose that sounds about right, the info from the registrations is still a hotch-potch but what will make sense would be the 29 (hourly Mon-Sat daytimes) still covering the current 1 route City to Chapelfields, and the 29A (hourly Evenings/Sundays) covering the current 10 route from City to Canley Station as this would replicate the current service pattern in Earlsdon - and unfortunately backtracks on the aspirations of abolishing Evening/Sunday only routes in the bus review of 2012.

I have a feeling this new cluster of services numbers (24-29) will be allocated/needs about 12 Enviro 200s, CV strength is 14.

It could be useful if the new 85 would swoop into Coventry Rail Station in the style of the X30 service, but when there is already a dozen or so buses (or up to 20 if you count all operators) per hour linking to and from the City Centre I suppose there's no chance at all.


Is there an intention to keep the 5 (as City - Coundon - Wallace Rd - Radford) daytimes - I can't quite work that bit out. There has been a lot of work going-on on Hollyfast Rd and Norman Place Rd, is the bus terminus on the latter going to re-emerge? And presumably the number '1' will disappear again.
#82
Quote from: Lukeeee2018 on July 21, 2021, 03:36:39 PM
Bit more information on the changes on bustimes, however, I'm not 100% sure how accurate this information is. Some of the most noticeable things were also mentioned above.

29/A - https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/815

"Withdrawn Walsgrave - Coventry. Re-routed Coventry - Chapelfields via existing 10 route to Canley Station then Glendower Avenue to Chapelfields. Extended from Chapelfields via Counden and Radford to Arena to replace existing 5 route. Evening/Sunday 29A added to Arena."

85 - https://bustimes.org/registrations/PD0001111/817

"Rerouted between UHCW and Coventry to partially replace route 1, 85S transferred to this registration"

The 29/29A is gonna be some route; 1 City - Chapelfields section & 10 City - Canley Station section plus 5 City - Arena Park via Coundon and Radford all covered by the service !
#83
Quote from: Sh4318 on July 17, 2021, 01:08:51 AM
They change the Coventry routes quite a lot don't they ::). It's like the old annual Old Hill/Cradley Heath changes, but on a bigger scale

Don't think I can recall so many changes - certainly going back the last decade (the 2022 period I'm sure, will look quite different to 2012, certainly just before the Feb 2012 changes). Off the top of my head circa-April 2006, summer 2010, Feb 2012, Sept 2019 and Aug 2020 all saw changes implemented.
#84
Quote from: JPC on July 17, 2021, 12:39:59 AM
As mooted amongst the NXWM threads there is also going to be a fair bit of changes to some services in and around Coventry, so I have listed here a summary of new/revised DVSA registrations known so far, served up with the usual it may be incorrect warning:

Service 5/5A - seemingly shortened to Radford (?)
Service 7/7A/7B - existing service 7 extends to replace the City - Bell Green segment of service 10/10A
Service 24  - replaces the 539 and extends from Kenilworth via Burton Green to Tile Hill
Service 25/25A - replaces the 580
Service 26 - replaces the City Centre - Westwood Business Park segment of service 10A
Service 28 - replaces the City Centre - Tile Hill segment of service 10
Service 29/29A - replaces service 1 with extensions at both ends (from Chapelfields to Radford and Walsgrave to Arena Park?)

These registrations are also amended and may just be timetables only : 3 13 14 17 18 21 85

Well in Jan 1974, this service operated: 24 Coventry Civic Airport (The Oak PH) – City, Broadgate. So the '24' will return to Baginton (?) albeit only relatively few journeys compared to the past!

Pretty-radical looking changes, I assume the 10 in its current form will cease to exist. Service 7 of old did serve the northeast side of Coventry.

The Everdon Rd area could be without a bus service next month - an idea previously floated, but not implemented.
#85
Garage threads / Re: Acocks Green Garage
July 08, 2021, 02:56:09 PM
Quote from: don on July 08, 2021, 12:03:05 PM
I'd guess about 34 B7RLE; 11 E200; 54 E400 and 20 Platinum by 2025 (I guess some, like the 47xx E400, may stay there until withdrawal) - I'm presuming the B7TL, Tridents and Geminis would be withdrawn. You could imagine the 17xx B7RLEs at Walsall being replaced and the earlier Scanias potentially, by these vehicles being cascaded. A large requirement for repainting though (around 30 a year).

Could Coventry have an all-double deck fleet in the future? Is there a requirement for Electric single deckers there. I suppose lots of new buses entering service at broadly the same time at the same garage - means 5 years later, lots of buses falling due for repaint at the same time.
#86
Other Operators / Re: Johnsons
June 06, 2021, 06:34:23 PM
Quote from: Justin Tyme on June 06, 2021, 03:42:54 PM
I remember that - it was dangerous.  The gap was for all traffic until being restricted to buses only, no doubt for safety reasons, for the final year or two.

A few miles before that there was also a right turn for the eastbound 159/900 off the A45 onto the old Birmingham Road to get to Meriden - again crossing traffic pounding down the incline at 60 mph, although at least there was more visibility than at Millisons Wood.

Suppose I meant 'near-death experience' - but they were both dicey moves. I had thought that right-turn into Meriden was still open! (but, presumably not).
#87
Other Operators / Re: Johnsons
June 06, 2021, 10:48:13 AM
Quote from: ellspurs on June 05, 2021, 10:00:51 PM
Way back when, there used to be a bus-only right turn from the bottom of Millisons Wood onto the A45. The 159/900 would just trundle straight down, then turn right onto the A45 and continue on its merry way to Coventry. This got closed off in the mid-to-late 90s. The 900 used to follow the same route that the X20 did, until the route was changed to the current one with an extra 900A going down there every hour. Then at some point in the 2000s, the old 192/194/19X route was changed into the 82, and this bus eventually rerouted from Berkswell/Balsall Common and sent down to Millisons Wood, allowing the 900 to just skip it on its way to Coventry.

That right turn onto the A45 was a death experience at busy times. I think buses did it in two moves, waiting in the middle section of the dual-carriageway to make it onto the Coventry-bound section. Naturally it could take a while for a gap to appear, with cars travelling at 60mph.
#88
Other Operators / Re: Xplore Dundee
June 01, 2021, 03:53:26 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on June 01, 2021, 12:11:41 PM
Thanks to RC

432/4 to 405/6
1774/5 to 2412/3
2030-2058 to 2414-2442
2239-2250 to 4111-4121
4680-4686 to 2819-2825
4700-4717 to 2826-2843
6678-6700 to 8900-8922
7001-7018 to 2801-2818

Presumably there is no 7013 - or should I say no 2813. Unless that is still around withdrawn? And obviously the new numbers 4111-21 didn't include 2246.
#89
National Express Coventry / Re: Coventry Garage
May 12, 2021, 04:29:22 PM
Quote from: ellspurs on May 12, 2021, 03:16:02 PM
I think that is just a quirk of the timetable, as the Novotel isn't a usual timing point for the longer route, so isn't included on the timetable through to Bedworth.

Man if that route was running 20 years ago, I wouldn't have had to walk down to Bedworth Road from Woodshires Road to get the bus to work in the morning.

Ah, so the longer journeys might well traverse the Woodshires Rd/Wilsons Lane etc area in both directions - I did wonder, otherwise it would have meant a different route on inbound/outbound legs!
#90
National Express Coventry / Re: Coventry Garage
May 12, 2021, 01:57:31 PM
Quote from: JPC on May 11, 2021, 09:08:35 PM
On the 20B service the journeys heading for Bayton Road will extend further to/from Bedworth (Johnson Rd) from next Monday 17th May.
Timetable is :
I suppose the current Bayton Rd journeys are now struggling to keep on time so this is probably a solution and makes use of the spare bus from the reduced X30 service (the duplicate vehicle for the 1610 journey seems to have been dropped since yesterday).


It seems to be possible to travel from the Bedworth/Bayton Rd areas (on some inbound journeys) to Wilsons Lane etc, on the way to Coventry city-centre. But outbound the 20B either runs to Longford Novotel or Bedworth via Bayton Rd.
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