wish to set this up as a thread for all thinkgs centrebus related.
It's strange how they have not got their own forum section, although I could understand given that the forum and site are WM based.
Centrebus have come on in leaps and bounds recently, they have expanded a lot, increased capacity on several services and have also tried their best to go all low floor. 96% of the Leicester and Hinckley fleet is low floor alone.
they seem to be tight on buses and several fleet movements have taken place, especially with Ex kimes vehicles being drafted into other areas.
out of the recent transfers the most interested in the transfer of two DAF/Paladins one of which is PAZ9346
My bus to University for three years was the Centrebus "Hospital Hopper". All around a very pleasant experience. Nice buses (Plaxton Centro, and Scanias that I presume were intended for NX:WM as they have identical interiors) and drivers that wave to you in the street when they recognise you. I would be happy to see them in the West Midlands at some point.
Would have thought perhaps that First Northampton would fit in nicely with Centrebus' current operations?
Quote from: Badger on October 01, 2012, 04:01:06 PM
My bus to University for three years was the Centrebus "Hospital Hopper". All around a very pleasant experience. Nice buses (Plaxton Centro, and Scanias that I presume were intended for NX:WM as they have identical interiors) and drivers that wave to you in the street when they recognise you. I would be happy to see them in the West Midlands at some point.
Ahh yes the HH has a very good reputation in Leicester and is well used too. the only downside that I find (as do many locals) is that it is exempt from the Leicester Flexi day ticket (multi oprator use ticket) as the HH is funded by the local NHS trust and therefore Centrebus have to apply a different struturing to the fares. The more I look into things the more I understand it.
If those guys got into in the West Mids they would do great!! at the moment though they just had a huge wave of unexpected growth so everything is mega tight for a month or two, they should be alright after Xmas.
Quote from: D10 on October 01, 2012, 09:47:49 PM
Would have thought perhaps that First Northampton would fit in nicely with Centrebus' current operations?
I have had this discussion with Centrebus.
As much as I am a campaigner for Leicestershire, When I heard about Northampton, I got onto Centrebus nearly straight away. Of course, the biggest concern for me was the loss of jobs and also the lack of a coherent public transport system in a major city.
Centrebus have an awkward position, they have said that the local councils there are hard to negotiate with and they also have certain conditions within some tendered stuff that the company isn't keen on (that's the short and 'safe' version I can publish). Centrebus have also said they will act on a wait and see basis, they will take the action that they think will be best for them when the time comes. Basically, it seems that all the companies surrounding Northampton are hanging back. I can see first just deregistering the routes and throttling back, then possibly sell off a couple of routes, a few buses and the depot/yard in one small package to an operator whos interested. Of course it will be tight anyway because of the Competition Commission
Centrebus Solo 350 was in Hinckley and left for leeds two days ago, this was for cover whilst solo 274 was away for repaint.
Double Deckers now on the 302 in the morning and evening rush hours at some point to control timing issues which they had on the 54. I don't quite know what they have done myself but they say it works and I agree, it seems to!
Ex kimes DAF paladins still floating about, normally on Inner circle but sometimes still make it to the 54A at times.
Scania 931 (H231LOM) is still in the fleet and is the last original Centrebus vehicle really left in the fleet I believe, no indications of disposal for a while to come.
Centrebus Leicester now have a Wright Streetlite Demonstrator on loan as well as an optare demonstrator as well, from what gen I have.
I will try and define the Registration numbers.
It has been confirmed that Centrebus will be operating all of Leicester's park and ride services from Maynell's Gorse, Birstall and Enderby from the 28th January 2012.
they will be taking over the contract from Roberts who inherited it from Paul James Coaches/Veolia.
Noticed today that OmniLink 'YT09 FMF' has exactly the same interior as NX examples (1848 onwards)
Identical, down to trim, Moquette, seat backs, handrails
You can see it slightly here
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/14200319655
The Optare Solo's are very short! Does any other companies own such short Optares? https://www.facebook.com/369276339910972/photos/ms.c.eJw1zNsNADEIA8GOToAdTPpvLJcHnyOvzITogjFJxMdrQlNKtnX2qOuwODY807fRfQzI4ebdj9p~;WfasPH3M5xp~;b7OyrWsuFK4gUQ~-~-.bps.a.418230395015566.1073741973.369276339910972/463742857130986/?type=3&theater
Swear diamonds got one
Quote from: Chris on October 04, 2015, 02:01:43 PM
Swear diamonds got one
Don't think Diamond has any M710SE machines, they do look like they came free in a box of cornflakes though! Merseyside is a good place to find these, HTL have (or did have) quite a few and Cumfybus have got a number of the later SR examples but which are still rather short. Quite a few knocking about in SPT land also.
Quote from: Cheese on October 04, 2015, 03:29:00 PM
Don't think Diamond has any M710SE machines, they do look like they came free in a box of cornflakes though! Merseyside is a good place to find these, HTL have (or did have) quite a few and Cumfybus have got a number of the later SR examples but which are still rather short. Quite a few knocking about in SPT land also.
20913? I must of saw that one. Looked smaller than the other solos diamond has
Quote from: Chris on October 04, 2015, 03:34:35 PM
20913? I must of saw that one. Looked smaller than the other solos diamond has
There's this one recently tranferredup from Bristol to Tividale which is a M780SE example
http://wmbusphotos.com/centralConnect/20010.html
Quote from: Winston on October 04, 2015, 03:43:46 PM
There's this one recently tranferredup from Bristol to Tividale which is a M780SE example
http://wmbusphotos.com/centralConnect/20010.html
Ah i see, i saw on walsalls ring way as i crossed it on the 4M yesterday it looked alot smaller than the solos that do the 226 sometimes
Thanks everyone :) I personally hadn't seen such short ones before!
20913 is a standard one, the one on the picture looks way smaller than 20010
I'm pretty sure Western Greyhound used to have some of these very small solos with one door. To serve the very small narrow roads in the VIilages
I was very surprised to see a University Hospitals Of Leicester branded Omnilink going round the island at Yardley, Swan at 07:50 this morning heading towards Birmingham City Centre along the Coventry Rd.
Does anyone know what it was doing?
Quote from: 2206 on January 07, 2019, 04:14:18 PM
I was very surprised to see a University Hospitals Of Leicester branded Omnilink going round the island at Yardley, Swan at 07:50 this morning heading towards Birmingham City Centre along the Coventry Rd.
Does anyone know what it was doing?
Maybe heading for the Keltruck place near Willenhall, or another site, for warranty work ?
Could of been going to Graysons
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on January 07, 2019, 04:17:01 PM
Maybe heading for the Keltruck place near Willenhall, or another site, for warranty work ?
Former Yellow Buses, Optare Versas, T18 TYB and T22 TYB noted at Centrebus' Leicester depot, in the last week, both freshly repainted into company livery.
Another Versa noted at Centrebus Leicester is, former Dorset County Council, YJ60 KFW.
Fleet numbers are:
782 - T18 TYB
783 - T22 TYB
784 - YJ60 KFW
Former First London, Enviro 200, 565 has been repainted into company colours and has gone to Luton. Scania saloon 722 has also departed Leicester to Luton.
Large fire next door to Centrebus depot on Wenlock Way Leicester, doesn't look like any vehicles affected.
Look on LeicesterMercury.co.uk for an image
A bad company imo. Poor driving standards (drivers on the wrong side of the road, over the speed limit etc.), they often give you the wrong tickets, poor frequency on routes, plus the older vehicles being more polluting than a cow.
Seen twice in Yardley today Centrebus Solo 322
Quote from: LazyGuy222 on January 13, 2020, 09:14:01 PM
A bad company imo. Poor driving standards (drivers on the wrong side of the road, over the speed limit etc.), they often give you the wrong tickets, poor frequency on routes, plus the older vehicles being more polluting than a cow.
You know, there was a time when Centrebus had some brilliant vehicles. I remember when they had the ex-Birmingham MCW Metrobuses on the 54 and 104, and there's no doubt if they lived to compete against First and Arriva on those services respectively now, they would definitely be my choice to travel the route with. Really, the next best thing would have been to have kept the Trident ALX400s on the 22A and 22B or 54A.
Quote from: dingding on April 08, 2020, 08:16:06 PM
Seen twice in Yardley today Centrebus Solo 322
I think this was the one that I saw going through Warstones, Wolverhampton a couple of weeks ago, the one that i saw didn't have any logos on.
Does anyone happen to know the registrations and fleet numbers of the Ex Metrolime Volvo B7TL Plaxton Presidents that Centrebus have acquired in Leicester for the university shuttles?
They have had their registrations changed which is making it hard for me to find out what one specific vehicle was.
Quote from: LazyGuy222 on October 28, 2020, 04:21:48 PM
Does anyone happen to know the registrations and fleet numbers of the Ex Metrolime Volvo B7TL Plaxton Presidents that Centrebus have acquired in Leicester for the university shuttles?
They have had their registrations changed which is making it hard for me to find out what one specific vehicle was.
According to Flickr, 932 is 'LK04 NNC'
Quote from: Badger on October 01, 2012, 04:01:06 PM
My bus to University for three years was the Centrebus "Hospital Hopper". All around a very pleasant experience. Nice buses (Plaxton Centro, and Scanias that I presume were intended for NX:WM as they have identical interiors) and drivers that wave to you in the street when they recognise you. I would be happy to see them in the West Midlands at some point.
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Quote from: LazyGuy222 on October 28, 2020, 04:21:48 PM
Does anyone happen to know the registrations and fleet numbers of the Ex Metrolime Volvo B7TL Plaxton Presidents that Centrebus have acquired in Leicester for the university shuttles?
They have had their registrations changed which is making it hard for me to find out what one specific vehicle was.
930 = LK04 NMJ (Metroline VPL585)
931 = LK04 NMV (Metroline VPL588)
932 = LK04 NNC (Metroline VPL594)
Optare MetroCity YJ17 FXE was noted parked at Centrebus' Wenlock Way depot, in Leicester, on 25/11/2020. It was in new Centrebus livery and carrying fleet number 799.
Quote from: LazyGuy222 on October 28, 2020, 04:21:48 PM
Does anyone happen to know the registrations and fleet numbers of the Ex Metrolime Volvo B7TL Plaxton Presidents that Centrebus have acquired in Leicester for the university shuttles?
They have had their registrations changed which is making it hard for me to find out what one specific vehicle was.
I'm pretty sure they have 2 09 plate double deckers (1 with branding) for the university shuttles?
909 & 910 is the one with the university branding
Stevenage depot is due to close in April. Some routes will move to Luton, with others going to other operators. Most are just irregular routes that only run certain days of the week or only need low resources. Indeed all the gains by Chiltern Automotive can be operated by a single vehicle between a school run over the course of the week.
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"Due to difficult trading conditions and the future uncertainty cast by the ongoing Coronavirus pandemic, we have taken the difficult decision to cease operations from our Stevenage depot and have entered into formal consultation with our employees.
A substantial number of routes operated from Stevenage will be transferred to our depot in Luton which is located approximately 16 miles away. Employees have been offered continued employment at our Luton operating centre.
Our Managing Director Matt Evans says "our Stevenage operation has struggled over recent years, which coupled with the ongoing Coronavirus pandemic has cast uncertainty over the future viability of operations from our base in Stevenage. I'd like to stress that the decision to close the depot in no way reflects the hard work, commitment, and dedication of our Stevenage employees. The team in Stevenage, many of them long serving members of staff, have done an excellent job over the years and we hope to maintain employment for as many of them as possible offering employment at our Luton depot."
We have operated from our Whitworth Road base in Stevenage since 2007, providing a mixture of commercial, subsidised and school services throughout this time and employing around 50 employees at the site. The last day of operation from the site is expected to be on Saturday 10th April 2021.
The following services will continue to be operated by Centrebus from our Luton depot:
44/45 Luton to Stevenage
80 Stevenage to Hitchin
81/81A Westmill to Hitchin
89 Hitchin to Henlow Camp
304 Hitchin to St Albans
314 Hitchin to Welwyn Garden City
315 Hitchin to Kimpton
85/85A Biggleswade Town Service
96/96A Stotfold to Letchworth
188/190 Biggleswade to Potton/Sandy
From the 11th April 2021, the following services which are funded by Hertfordshire County Council will no longer be operated by Centrebus:
18 Royston to Buntingford will be operated by Richmonds Coaches
308/380 Hertford to Cuffley will be operated by Central Connect
378/379 Hertford to Stevenage will be operated by Central Connect
333 Pinehurst to Bengeo will be operated by Central Connect
M1/M2/M3/M4/M5 Ware Town services will be operated by Central Connect
10 Stevenage to Bedwell will be operated by A2B Travel Group
200 Essendine Mills to Colney Fields will be operated by Chiltern Automotive
201 Welwyn Garden City to Welham Greens will be operated by Chiltern Automotive
203 Welwyn Garden City to Watton at Stone will be operated by Chiltern Automotive
204/206 Welwyn Garden City to Panshanger will be operated by Chiltern Automotive
215 Welwyn Garden City to Codicote will be operated by Chiltern Automotive
230 Welwyn Garden City to St Albans will be operated by Chiltern Automotive
312 Bell Bar to Hatfield will be operated by Chiltern Automotive
Please contact each individual operator or Intalink for details of the timetables that will be in operation from the 11th April."
Source: https://www.centrebus.info/news/stevenage-depot/
Quote from: Damo on February 23, 2021, 06:56:33 PM
From the 11th April 2021, the following services which are funded by Hertfordshire County Council will no longer be operated by Centrebus:
308/380 Hertford to Cuffley will be operated by Central Connect
378/379 Hertford to Stevenage will be operated by Central Connect
333 Pinehurst to Bengeo will be operated by Central Connect
M1/M2/M3/M4/M5 Ware Town services will be operated by Central Connect
Source: https://www.centrebus.info/news/stevenage-depot/
Did Central Connect buy the branding from Rotala?
https://trustybus.net/about-trustybus/
Quote from: ellspurs on February 23, 2021, 08:02:38 PM
Did Central Connect buy the branding from Rotala?
https://trustybus.net/about-trustybus/
Don't know but not sure if they would need to as they would not appear to be 'passing off' as another company in the business of running buses.
The Rotala subsidiary of that name - which never operated anywhere Trusty Bus reaches - was renamed in November 2014 according the the Companies House website, so Rotala would appear to have no interest in it.
Trusty Bus's Central Connect logo doesn't look like anything I recall from Central Connect in the West Midlands.
The only other registered company called Central Connect lists its interests at Companies House as clothing and footwear.
Also, the government Intellectual Property Office website does not give 'Central Connect' as a registered trademark.
And the reason it is called Central Connect is because their main bus service connects Harlow with the London Underground's Central Line at Epping.
The Central Line is a bit of a misnomer as I would hardly call Epping (or Ongar when the line went all the way out there) as being central:-)
799 (YJ17 FXE) had a minor fire on Charles Street at 15:30 today.
Training vehicle 744 noted on the M1 heading north near junction 15
4 of the electrics currently parked at Leicester depot, 3 green with hospital hopper branding and the other 1 predominately white with Leicester electric bus branding.
Quote from: Mayfield on June 17, 2022, 02:38:59 PM4 of the electrics currently parked at Leicester depot, 3 green with hospital hopper branding and the other 1 predominately white with Leicester electric bus branding.
the white one should have hospital hopper branding before they enter service from 27th June.
555 Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer SN55 DVC is now at Centrebus South from Chaserider
The 4 electric's are numbered 820-823 and all 4 are green, does anybody know if the white 1 has been repainted or if an extra 1 has arrived
Quote from: Mayfield on August 10, 2022, 06:02:33 PMThe 4 electric's are numbered 820-823 and all 4 are green, does anybody know if the white 1 has been repainted or if an extra 1 has arrived
Quote from: SSmith2009 on June 17, 2022, 05:03:02 PMthe white one should have hospital hopper branding before they enter service from 27th June.
Quote from: Mayfield on August 10, 2022, 06:02:33 PMThe 4 electric's are numbered 820-823 and all 4 are green, does anybody know if the white 1 has been repainted or if an extra 1 has arrived
'the white one' was special vynils over the green livery which was removed a few days before launch
Thanks
The six Yutong E10s, for the 'Orbital' (service 40), are now sitting at Centrebus' Wenlock Way depot. Registrations are:
YD72 FFU
YD72 FFV
YD72 FFW
YD72 FFX
YD72 FFY
YD72 FFZ
They're the same green as the Hospital Hopper E12s. Four of them carry 'Orbital' branding and the other two carry generic 'Greenline' branding.
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PF1056524/10 - would suggest that 23/10/2022 is the date from which service 40 becomes known as 'Orbital'.
In addition, Leicester seems to have gained another double-decker; 930 - PJZ 9450 has moved from Grantham and was noted working the university shuttle on 04/10/2022. Recent acquisition from Luton 728 - YN54 AHG was also noted working on the university shuttle.
759 VDL SB200 Wright Pulsar now withdrawn
661 SB180 MCV Evolution due to be withdrawn in the next week or so. I'd guess it'll be moving to Cannock to be with the other MCVS that moved over
Quote from: 47609FireFly on October 05, 2022, 12:25:38 AMThe six Yutong E10s, for the 'Orbital' (service 40), are now sitting at Centrebus' Wenlock Way depot. Registrations are:
YD72 FFU
YD72 FFV
YD72 FFW
YD72 FFX
YD72 FFY
YD72 FFZ
They're the same green as the Hospital Hopper E12s. Four of them carry 'Orbital' branding and the other two carry generic 'Greenline' branding.
https://bustimes.org/registrations/PF1056524/10 - would suggest that 23/10/2022 is the date from which service 40 becomes known as 'Orbital'.
In addition, Leicester seems to have gained another double-decker; 930 - PJZ 9450 has moved from Grantham and was noted working the university shuttle on 04/10/2022. Recent acquisition from Luton 728 - YN54 AHG was also noted working on the university shuttle.
Think it starts Monday 24 October. The
30-mile Orbital service is said to be the UK's longest electric circular bus route – will operate from Leicester General Hospital, connecting estates and suburbs on the city's outer ring road and beyond.Leicester is the latest addition to the city's Greenlines electric network, and is the fifth new service to be launched using the new council-owned electric buses.The partnership project, with operator Centrebus, also includes a new electric bus charging depot at the firm's Thurmaston depot.The electric buses and charging depot have been partially funded with £1.21 million from the Department for Transport's Zero Emission Bus Regional Areas (ZEBRA) scheme, making it the first ZEBRA-funded project to be delivered in the country.Leicester City Council has invested £2.11m in the project, with the aim of removing a predicted 177 tonnes of CO2 emissions per year and reducing operational costs by over £60,000 a year.
661 now withdrawn
Today I went on the Orbital.
Not only was it running nearly 20minutes late. But on board the next stop information and spoken bus stop announcements were not working?
I believe these were all supposed to be part of the overhaul of this service.. an improved reliability timetable, next stop visuals and audio..
Also, the indicator is loud. Sounds like a spaceship.
Overall, though the ride was nice, and the buses are much smoother.. with less rattles. Just wish they'd be using them properly otherwise what's the point of the Leicester buses. Not sure if it's the councils fault or Centrebus for the announcements not working. (Or screens).
539 - YX17 NKZ has made the move from Centrebus Leicester to Chaserider.
Interestingly, Roberts' 134 - YD21 NFR has transferred to Centrebus and become fleet number 824. Its 'park & ride' branding has been removed and replaced with generic 'greenlines' branding.
Noted in Centrebus Leicester's Wenlock Way depot on 15/11/2022 was E200 YX61 DOU, freshly painted in the new Centrebus livery.
This one last operated with Faresaver of Chippenham but was new as an Alexander Dennis demonstrator.
How Many seat do the Yutong E10s in Leicester have?
Quote from: BNH2004 on January 24, 2023, 06:49:53 PMHow Many seat do the Yutong E10s in Leicester have?
30 normal seats and 4 tip down seats iirc
Noted in Centrebus' Wenlock Way depot yard, Leicester, on 10/03/2023 were, dual-doored, Yutong E9s:
YD23 FML
YD23 FMM
YD23 FMO
These all carry external vinyls for the free 'Hop!' service, around the city centre, which starts on April 3rd.
Quote from: 47609FireFly on March 11, 2023, 01:47:48 PMNoted in Centrebus' Wenlock Way depot yard, Leicester, on 10/03/2023 were, dual-doored, Yutong E9s:
YD23 FML
YD23 FMM
YD23 FMO
These all carry external vinyls for the free 'Hop!' service, around the city centre, which starts on April 3rd.
They appeared today at an event in the city centre. Link here: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=689739103154689&set=a.541543454640922&type=3
See it doesn't call at St. Margarets bus station, that makes sense doesn't it especially if you want to get from the railway station to catch a National Express coach
Quote from: Mayfield on March 15, 2023, 07:52:21 AMSee it doesn't call at St. Margarets bus station, that makes sense doesn't it especially if you want to get from the railway station to catch a National Express coach
I know.. I don't understand this either.. why serve Savoy Street? The buses could use Abbey Street, head into stMaragarets then come back out and use Mansfield street. I see no reason to serve Savoy Street? Especially as it's Haymarket stop is about 30seconds walk away?
Makes you laugh, Leicester big bus plan, planned by who, probably a person who drives to work everyday and have never seen the inside of a bus, good to see the electrics on the HH and Orbital trundling round all day with very few passengers off peak, what a waste of tax payers money.
2 "new" 09 plate double deckers have arrived in Leicester for the 22 service. Not known if they'll be used all day or just during busy periods. There's 4 on the service currently running with First, so will mean there will still likely be singles on the service also.
Quote from: Glenfieldmathk1 on April 13, 2023, 11:59:05 AM2 "new" 09 plate double deckers have arrived in Leicester for the 22 service. Not known if they'll be used all day or just during busy periods. There's 4 on the service currently running with First, so will mean there will still likely be singles on the service also.
They're both ex Yellow Buses Volvo B9TL's
924 - GX09 ZZS
925 - GX09 ZZT
I'd hazard a guess they'll be used all day at first to see if demand requires them or for additional deckers to be drafted in.
Quote from: Glenfieldmathk1 on April 13, 2023, 11:59:05 AM2 "new" 09 plate double deckers have arrived in Leicester for the 22 service. Not known if they'll be used all day or just during busy periods. There's 4 on the service currently running with First, so will mean there will still likely be singles on the service also.
Grantham allocated 912, which was new to First London, was noted in the yard at Wenlock Way on 13/04/2023. Suggestions are that this is being loaned to Leicester and is likely to appear on the 22. Don't forget, Leicester depot also has three other double-decks, in the shape of 909, 910 & 931. All three of these are dual-doored and have their wheelchair access ramps in the rear doors but as the 22 departs from Charles Street, rather than a bus station, there would be nothing to stop them appearing on the 22 too. The only hindrance would be gaining access to the ramp, whilst on stand in the city centre, due to the metal railings by bus stop CC.
Quote from: SSmith2009 on April 13, 2023, 03:29:30 PMThey're both ex Yellow Buses Volvo B9TL's
924 - GX09 ZZS
925 - GX09 ZZT
I'd hazard a guess they'll be used all day at first to see if demand requires them or for additional deckers to be drafted in.
Yes, both ex Yellow Buses, Bournemouth (fleet numbers 5034 and 5035), and most recently with Xela (fleet numbers 561 and 562), but both were new to Bus Vannin, Isle of Man (fleet numbers 164 and 165).
I'm not sure what demand really needs to be seen though - the 22 / 22A serve four, rather large secondary schools (Crown Hills, Judgemeadow, City of Leicester and St. Paul's). On top of that, there are a good number of parents who take their primary aged kids to schools on the route, namely Linden and Mayflower. I would be very much surprised if the change of operator caused all of those school flows to just vanish! After all, it is because of the school flows that the double-decks are needed at all. One would imagine that Centrebus has been out and done the diligence with regard to loadings. Quite easy to go for a ride on First's morning journeys to check loadings. However, as this change of operator has been instigated as part of the 'Enhanced Partnership', one would presume that loadings data would freely be available from First to Centrebus, via Leicester City Council. Let's not forget too that First often threw a single-deck vehicle at the route, when reliability went down the pan and there was chronic bunching. And certainly between school times, at school holidays and at weekends, I'd imagine a 10-minute service with single-decks would do the job adequately.
Looking at the service 22 today..
Noted 2 double deckers (909, 910) out in service during morning peak.. with 1 staying on all day. Full sized singles were the choice for the other journeys. I'd say they'll probably be ok as long they don't start putting the Solo's on it?
912 was also in the area in the morning running the 1005 service.. surprised they didn't pull this onto the 22 route?
Quote from: Glenfieldmathk1 on April 17, 2023, 11:00:05 PMLooking at the service 22 today..
Noted 2 double deckers (909, 910) out in service during morning peak.. with 1 staying on all day. Full sized singles were the choice for the other journeys. I'd say they'll probably be ok as long they don't start putting the Solo's on it?
912 was also in the area in the morning running the 1005 service.. surprised they didn't pull this onto the 22 route?
On Tuesday (18th), 909 was out all day again and the other morning peak double decker was 912.
909 worked the 0634 22A from Evington to City Centre then remained on 22s until the end of the evening peak - this works the 0802 to Evington. 912 worked the 0714 HH 'extra' from Glenfield Hospital to Royal Infirmary before working the 0750 to Evington.
910 was on University Shuttles, but these don't seem to be running a full service this week which may be helping a bit. 931 worked the 1005 school service.
It looks as though E200s 504, 505, 506, 530, 531 and 532 have transferred out of Leicester to D&G. Presumably as additional vehicle resources to cover the routes that Arriva are coming off of.
Also, a picture here (not mine) of Centrebus 925, which is currently in use at Grantham. The blurb states that sister bus 924 is currently away being repainted:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/acbestphotography/52829488952/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/acbestphotography/52829488952/)
Quote from: 47609FireFly on April 20, 2023, 12:13:16 PMIt looks as though E200s 504, 505, 506, 530, 531 and 532 have transferred out of Leicester to D&G. Presumably as additional vehicle resources to cover the routes that Arriva are coming off of.
Also, a picture here (not mine) of Centrebus 925, which is currently in use at Grantham. The blurb states that sister bus 924 is currently away being repainted:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/acbestphotography/52829488952/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/acbestphotography/52829488952/)
Correct.. 924 freshly repainted will arrive in Leicester and 925 will then go for repaint and once that's sorted and in Leicester 912 will go back to Grantham.
It will give Centrebus an extra double decker in Leicester.. (compared to current) but like posted above, it's likely it will just be used on 22 to replace the uni service buses as they will be needed once the uni is back in full action (from next week).
Went on the 22 today as I was in Evington in the morning. 909 is a nice bus. Smooth ride much better than a Streetdeck that's for sure.
Seems like Centrebus have sorted out timing issues as the route seemed to be running on time. (And the bus now waiting time at the first stop on Downing Drive and not all the way down!).
Looking forward to the new vehicles when they come will have to give them a try that's for sure.
Quote from: Glenfieldmathk1 on April 22, 2023, 12:34:25 AMWent on the 22 today as I was in Evington in the morning. 909 is a nice bus. Smooth ride much better than a Streetdeck that's for sure.
Seems like Centrebus have sorted out timing issues as the route seemed to be running on time. (And the bus now waiting time at the first stop on Downing Drive and not all the way down!).
Looking forward to the new vehicles when they come will have to give them a try that's for sure.
Disagree completely. Had 909 and 910 this week and they have horribly hard seats, not to mention the fact they sound like they're about about to fall apart. They also clearly haven't properly been cleaned in ages as the amount of dust coming off the seats is disgusting
580 and (especially) 729 are exactly the same. I've never sat on a bus with seats as uncomfortable as 729 had.
Centrebus have also not improved timings as they completely skipped the 06:24 yesterday morning and both the 06:34 and 06:44 were late. I also missed a bus in the afternoon because the driver clearly didn't know what a timetable was and left Charles Street early.
The change of the start to the route to the Ingarsby Drive stop is frankly idiotic. What is the point in having the proper off-road stop outside City of Leicester if buses are going to sit blocking the road for up to 10 minutes with their engines on.
Their drivers are also really unprofessional. I've had drivers failing to give way to other vehicles, being unnecessarily rude to passengers, using their phone while the engines on and driving on the wrong side of the road after taking a corner when the correct side of the road was completely clear.
While I accept that First wasn't perfect in any way, their buses were significantly better than Centrebus's and their drivers a lot more professional. The 22 has gone from a great route to a terrible one.
Everything I've listed here has happened after just a week of them operating the service. I can't imagine what else will happen over the next months of me using the route everyday.
Quote from: LazyGuy222 on April 22, 2023, 11:08:56 AMDisagree completely. Had 909 and 910 this week and they have horribly hard seats, not to mention the fact they sound like they're about about to fall apart. They also clearly haven't properly been cleaned in ages as the amount of dust coming off the seats is disgusting
580 and (especially) 729 are exactly the same. I've never sat on a bus with seats as uncomfortable as 729 had.
Centrebus have also not improved timings as they completely skipped the 06:24 yesterday morning and both the 06:34 and 06:44 were late. I also missed a bus in the afternoon because the driver clearly didn't know what a timetable was and left Charles Street early.
The change of the start to the route to the Ingarsby Drive stop is frankly idiotic. What is the point in having the proper off-road stop outside City of Leicester if buses are going to sit blocking the road for up to 10 minutes with their engines on.
Their drivers are also really unprofessional. I've had drivers failing to give way to other vehicles, being unnecessarily rude to passengers, using their phone while the engines on and driving on the wrong side of the road after taking a corner when the correct side of the road was completely clear.
While I accept that First wasn't perfect in any way, their buses were significantly better than Centrebus's and their drivers a lot more professional. The 22 has gone from a great route to a terrible one.
Everything I've listed here has happened after just a week of them operating the service. I can't imagine what else will happen over the next months of me using the route everyday.
It is really sad to see this happen to such a good bus service. Centrebus are clearly an unprofessional operator, I have found the drivers very rude and abusive and very unprofessional and sometimes on their phones with ear phones. Drivers who are unable to drive a bus and are driven unsafely and unable to run to a timetable . The buses used on this service are a mix match of of old dirty buses. Some buses on the route include very uncomfortable 09 reg double deckers and 07 reg single deckers.some are double decker to full size single deckers to 57 reg optare versa. The newest I've seen on the route is a 12 reg enviro 400. Some driver don't even wear a proper uniform and driving with trainers on . Centrebus have completely ruined this route.
Quote from: LazyGuy222 on April 22, 2023, 11:08:56 AMDisagree completely. Had 909 and 910 this week and they have horribly hard seats, not to mention the fact they sound like they're about about to fall apart. They also clearly haven't properly been cleaned in ages as the amount of dust coming off the seats is disgusting
580 and (especially) 729 are exactly the same. I've never sat on a bus with seats as uncomfortable as 729 had.
Centrebus have also not improved timings as they completely skipped the 06:24 yesterday morning and both the 06:34 and 06:44 were late. I also missed a bus in the afternoon because the driver clearly didn't know what a timetable was and left Charles Street early.
The change of the start to the route to the Ingarsby Drive stop is frankly idiotic. What is the point in having the proper off-road stop outside City of Leicester if buses are going to sit blocking the road for up to 10 minutes with their engines on.
Their drivers are also really unprofessional. I've had drivers failing to give way to other vehicles, being unnecessarily rude to passengers, using their phone while the engines on and driving on the wrong side of the road after taking a corner when the correct side of the road was completely clear.
While I accept that First wasn't perfect in any way, their buses were significantly better than Centrebus's and their drivers a lot more professional. The 22 has gone from a great route to a terrible one.
Everything I've listed here has happened after just a week of them operating the service. I can't imagine what else will happen over the next months of me using the route everyday.
If you're a regular user of the service provided by Centrebus, I take it you've used your energy to highlight the specifics of your experiences to the bus company directly, via their customer services, rather than posting generic wibble on a forum? If you're that unhappy, perhaps you should be communicating with Leicester City Council too; after all, the change of operator of service 22 was implemented through their Enhanced Partnership plan.
Looking at the timetable carefully, I cannot see where a bus would get 10 minutes to sit blocking the road, engine running or not. Maybe there's a reason that the timing point has been moved to the first stop on Downing Drive (Ingarsby Drive) that you're unaware of?
Sadly, all bus companies, just like every other area of life from supermarkets to police forces, have an element of rogue employees that I wouldn't employ if I owned or ran a bus operation. That applies to First equally as much as it does to Centrebus. In a post lockdown world of bus driver shortages, which has impacted most operators across the UK, companies probably have employed people who, in an 'ideal world', they wouldn't have touched with the proverbial barge pole, just to keep the wheels turning.
Are you suitably qualified to judge the professionalism of the drivers or the maintenance standards of the vehicles? If I was a betting man, I would be having a punt that there's a lot of subjectivity in your perspectives and posts in general. It's fine to have opinions but it's far better to maintain objectivity where possible.
Quote from: LazyGuy222 on April 22, 2023, 11:08:56 AMDisagree completely. Had 909 and 910 this week and they have horribly hard seats, not to mention the fact they sound like they're about about to fall apart. They also clearly haven't properly been cleaned in ages as the amount of dust coming off the seats is disgusting
The change of the start to the route to the Ingarsby Drive stop is frankly idiotic. What is the point in having the proper off-road stop outside City of Leicester if buses are going to sit blocking the road for up to 10 minutes with their engines on.
Their drivers are also really unprofessional.
I was on 909. I found the seats not too bad. Been on a lot more uncomfortable bus seats (Those 72 plate Arriva double deckers for example)..
To me it didn't sound too bad. Few rattles but nothing major. Loud engine but no louder than a Arriva DB decker..
Centrebus have always had a bit dusty seats.. same with the old MCW & H/G reg Scania deckers they used to use! That said they also clean them pretty good. It's down to the passengers using them making a mess.
I wasn't aware that the service didn't or wasn't supposed to start at ingarsby drive? The times I've used 22 even in First days this was the timing stop? Timing stops don't need to have a lay-by either.. First 13 stops just after a mini roundabout! (Park drive) for its timing point. 74 in Anstey stops on the road too.. Centrebus 22A in Birstall stops on Wanlip lane again no lay-by.
Drivers may be unprofessional.. in your opinion. But actually every time I've used Centrebus I've found them polite, same on 40! I guess you ignore the driver? Whereas for me I say to them "good morning", or even "hello" when boarding! A lot of rude passengers I noticed don't.
Anyway.. something I guess you'll just have to put up with as unfortunately that's the way it is for the foreseeable future.
I wonder if when the Geminis arrive you'll say the same?
Quote from: Glenfieldmathk1 on April 22, 2023, 11:13:42 PMI wasn't aware that the service didn't or wasn't supposed to start at ingarsby drive? The times I've used 22 even in First days this was the timing stop? Timing stops don't need to have a lay-by either.. First 13 stops just after a mini roundabout! (Park drive) for its timing point. 74 in Anstey stops on the road too.. Centrebus 22A in Birstall stops on Wanlip lane again no lay-by.
Having looked at the on-line journey planner timetable for First route 22 (I looked back at Sat 25th March), the outward journey is shown to finish at "Goodwood, opp Chatteris Avenue" and the inward journey also has this as its first stop. I'll make no comment about the 'Goodwood'.
However, the route guide on the Centrebus website for their route 22 does show Ingarsby Drive as the last outward/first inward stop so Centrebus may have made the change.
That being said, I use the 22 about once a month, sometimes more, and I get off the bus at the first stop on Welland Vale Road so I travel past the "terminus". I can't remember ever waiting time before Chatteris Avenue and, when I used the service last week with Centrebus, we still waited for 3 or 4 minutes at Chatteris Avenue (I don't think we even stopped at Ingarsby Drive on that journey). So, this must be down to individual drivers.
There is a certain logic to being timed from the first stop on a terminal loop, though. I also imagine that a bus starting in service from Downing Drive would commence picking up passengers at the Ingarsby Drive stop.
I think there's an element of getting confused here with the terminus arrangements up at Evington.
The Evington terminus is a one-way loop and on that loop is a timing point bus stop. For many, many years First (and their predecessors Leicester CityBus) have used the lay-by bus stop at Downing Drive / Chatteris Avenue as the timing point for service 22. As stated, Centrebus use the stop at Downing Drive / Ingarsby Drive as their timing point; something they've continued. There is a certain logic to using the first bus stop on a loop as the timing point because otherwise that stop and the one after it (outside the leisure centre) only have approximate times, which can make gauging what time your bus will arrive tricky if you're using one of those two stops.
On a route with a loop arrangement, what ought to happen is that the bus should start service from the first stop on the loop and, if the bus is on a last journey, it should remain in service until the final stop on the loop. As mentioned, if travelling to Evington on a bus that is on its last journey, there's no reason why a passenger could not travel to Welland Vale Road just because it happens to be after the timing point stop. It should not be a case of reaching Downing Drive / Ingarsby Drive and, "Right, that's it, everyone off!"
'Goodwood' is mentioned because of how stops have been recorded in NaPTAN by the local authority. Personally, I think it's blooming confusing! It's similar to how some stops are described as being in 'Spencefield' and other nondescript names that nobody has a clue about. A timing point doesn't have to be in a lay-by but I'm sure most bus companies wouldn't want to cause an unnecessary obstruction when their vehicle is waiting time. That said, with how certain areas of Leicester are now with regard to unlawful / obstructive parking of cars, which in themselves cause problems which nobody seems to want to get tough on, it can be hard to do anything other than obstruct!
I think regarding Centrebus and their vehicles it has been tricky. I have no idea what the timescale has been regarding implementing the Enhanced Partnership arrangement. Prior to it coming into play, the requirement for double-decks was quite niche at the company and using TfL spec vehicles on that work wasn't a problem. There was certainly no need for deckers on full day stage carriage work. And, as I've said before, if there wasn't such high density of schools on the Evington side of the 22 / 22A, you wouldn't really need deckers at all. Finding good quality, reasonably aged, non-TfL specification deckers on the second hand market is quite a tall order. They're in short supply. It's why when operators like Nottingham City Transport or Lothian decide to offload a batch of deckers, they get snapped up pretty quickly.
Where they do exist, like the, new to Bournemouth, Volvo B5TLs in the link below, you can see the eye-watering price tag!
https://www.busandcoachcentre.co.uk/showroom (https://www.busandcoachcentre.co.uk/showroom)
Quote from: 47609FireFly on April 23, 2023, 05:12:29 PM....
The Evington terminus is a one-way loop and on that loop is a timing point bus stop. For many, many years First (and their predecessors Leicester CityBus) have used the lay-by bus stop at Downing Drive / Chatteris Avenue as the timing point for service 22. As stated, Centrebus use the stop at Downing Drive / Ingarsby Drive as their timing point; something they've continued. There is a certain logic to using the first bus stop on a loop as the timing point because otherwise that stop and the one after it (outside the leisure centre) only have approximate times, which can make gauging what time your bus will arrive tricky if you're using one of those two stops.
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I totally agree with the logic of the first stop on a terminal loop being the timing point, but I think there must be some confusion amongst the Centrebus drivers regarding the timing point at Evington despite the Centrebus website showing the inward journey as starting from Ingarsby Drive.
I travelled out to Evington again today on the 1110 from Leicester - yes, I did arrange it so that I travelled on one of the double deckers. We stopped to set down passengers at Ingarsby Drive then immediately continued (so we left Ingarsby Drive 4 minutes early on the 'terminus' departure time) to Chatteris Avenue where we waited for 3 minutes (and then left 1 minute early!).
So I still haven't travelled on a Centrebus which waited time at Ingarsby Drive!
Timing point departure time - the terminus is the loop. :grin:
910's GPS trace matches your description perfectly - https://bustimes.org/vehicles/cbnl-910?date=2023-04-24#journeys/417643633 (https://bustimes.org/vehicles/cbnl-910?date=2023-04-24#journeys/417643633)
912 had a different day on Friday.. Running the 22A between Birstall and Evington! I'm sure this would be the first time a service bus has been a double decker for a very long time in Birstall village centre / Wanlip Lane.
It also did the night time 22E.
783 caught fire in Uppingham last night having worked a 747 from Leicester.
repairable level of damage?
11 days ago looking smart
Bournemouth 22 (wmbusphotos.com) (http://wmbusphotos.com/NONWM/Bournemouth/22.html)
Quote from: Fin W on May 10, 2023, 05:26:07 PMrepairable level of damage?
Probably, the driver that was talking about it doesn't know how bad the damage is, but Uppingham Fire and Rescue posted a picture of them responding to it and it doesn't look unrepairable to me:
https://www.facebook.com/LFRSUppingham/posts/pfbid0fwWD7rMrTPHVoNi3Wjtmbnx9dkHhBapySdUdZ5Kubg8pLArq8JkYQLUvHF13SX7rl
Quote from: LazyGuy222 on May 10, 2023, 10:06:31 PMProbably, the driver that was talking about it doesn't know how bad the damage is, but Uppingham Fire and Rescue posted a picture of them responding to it and it doesn't look unrepairable to me:
https://www.facebook.com/LFRSUppingham/posts/pfbid0fwWD7rMrTPHVoNi3Wjtmbnx9dkHhBapySdUdZ5Kubg8pLArq8JkYQLUvHF13SX7rl
Doesn't look too bad, will they repair a 15 year old bus though 🤔
According to a source inside Centrebus.. 912 is to be joined by E400 913 in Leicester, permanently.
The previously announced 924/925 Gemini deckers (one of which is now Centrebus orange) have instead been confirmed to stay in Grantham.
Things could still change.
It still means there will be an extra double decker (within Leicester compared to current). Although Centrebus are taking on the new Uni route in Notts/Loughborough and it's thought this will require a DD? Most likely Leicester depot will run this.
Quote from: Glenfieldmathk1 on May 12, 2023, 07:58:29 PMAlthough Centrebus are taking on the new Uni route in Notts/Loughborough and it's thought this will require a DD? Most likely Leicester depot will run this.
The new 866 service launched today and has been operated by single deckers run from Leicester depot.
Quote from: SSmith2009 on May 15, 2023, 05:54:31 PMThe new 866 service launched today and has been operated by single deckers run from Leicester depot.
Interesting. 👍
Do Centrebus operate services in Derby as I noticed one S/D parked with hazard lights on outside McDonalds Ashbourne road/ Kingsway this morning.
Quote from: Mayfield on May 22, 2023, 05:04:00 PMDo Centrebus operate services in Derby as I noticed one S/D parked with hazard lights on outside McDonalds Ashbourne road/ Kingsway this morning.
It would likely be one of the "High peak" operations which is owned and operated by Centrebus. It's just run under the "High Peak" name and license. I believe they've a few buses in Centrebus livery at current.
Another rare one today.
931 Plaxton decker went onto the 22 today.
The first time it has operated the route since Centrebus took it over.
Isn't this the oldest (Euro 6) bus in Leicester? Or have Arriva still got older Wrights?
Quote from: Glenfieldmathk1 on May 22, 2023, 10:07:01 PMAnother rare one today.
931 Plaxton decker went onto the 22 today.
The first time it has operated the route since Centrebus took it over.
Isn't this the oldest (Euro 6) bus in Leicester? Or have Arriva still got older Wrights?
It's not Euro 6 according to DVSA
Quote from: Glenfieldmathk1 on May 22, 2023, 10:07:01 PMAnother rare one today.
931 Plaxton decker went onto the 22 today.
The first time it has operated the route since Centrebus took it over.
Isn't this the oldest (Euro 6) bus in Leicester? Or have Arriva still got older Wrights?
Yes 931 hasn't been retrofitted to Euro 6 standards, believe it to be Euro 4
925 is currently being repainted for service at Grantham which should free up 913 to join 912 at Leicester.
Arriva's oldest buses in Leicester are currently the 06/56 plated geminis which should depart later this year. 🤞
Quote from: SSmith2009 on May 22, 2023, 10:32:18 PMYes 931 hasn't been retrofitted to Euro 6 standards, believe it to be Euro 4
925 is currently being repainted for service at Grantham which should free up 913 to join 912 at Leicester.
Arriva's oldest buses in Leicester are currently the 06/56 plated geminis which should depart later this year. 🤞
I believe the Centrebus one is 04! (Before replacement number plate). Other than the few Roberts that occasionally appear on P&R.. definitely the oldest!
Quote from: Tony on May 22, 2023, 10:21:54 PMIt's not Euro 6 according to DVSA
Interesting.. I believe Centrebus signed up to Leicester buses meaning all service vehicles need to be Euro 6!
Maybe they're allowed to run a certain number of days not Euro 6?
I would suggest a registration over-rules whatever has or has not been agreed with a local authority, and it is up to the local authority to take whatever measures to stop an operator taking the p**s?
Quote from: Glenfieldmathk1 on May 22, 2023, 10:44:15 PMInteresting.. I believe Centrebus signed up to Leicester buses meaning all service vehicles need to be Euro 6!
Maybe they're allowed to run a certain number of days not Euro 6?
the CAZ (clean air zone) was scrapped but as part of the Leicester buses partnership, LCC and bus operators agreed that services will use buses that have Euro6 standards.
Quote from: SSmith2009 on May 23, 2023, 05:51:25 PMthe CAZ (clean air zone) was scrapped but as part of the Leicester buses partnership, LCC and bus operators agreed that services will use buses that have Euro6 standards.
Indeed that's what I'm saying. They've agreed to use Euro 6. That's why I expected this old bus to have been converted. I know Arriva converted their old Gemini's.
But as that's not the case I'm surprised the council allowed Centrebus to get away with it.
Once again today the red double decker went on the 22's. Only the rear display was showing a working 22. Side not on and front showing a load of o's! Driver was nice. Explained he didn't have a clue what was going on with it. Said he thinks they'll be replacing it soon? Could it be when 913 arrives this one is sent packing?
So far every driver I've seen on 22/22A have been great. Same with the 40.
I attempted to board it but unfortunately tap on tap off isn't set up on the ticket machine, (probably as they literally only normally use this bus for uni / works / 1005) and as I'd already been on 13 to the city, and 6 to Thurmaston to do some shopping and then walked to Blount road to try an electric first bus on 21's, I didn't wish to pay the £2.00 single fare when my card was already on the £5.30 flexi cap. I guess I could of paid and then phoned up Centrebus but I'm not going to cause issue.
I am quite familiar with 931, as well as 909 and 910 since I used to catch at least one of them each day on the university shuttle.
The front display of 931 seems to only show the first first several columns of pixels, and it duplicates it 7 times across the whole screen. Today it was showing lots of v's, from "via" in "Evington, via Spencefield Lane", since the v is the only part that falls into the first several columns. This has been broken since 31 March - I caught it in the morning to go to university and the screen was fine, and when I saw it later that evening it amusingly had 7 university logos on it! At first I thought it was a joke new display for the service since the area that is repeated lines up perfectly with the university logo. When it went out of service I realised it was probably a fault and it was just a coincidence, since it said "NoNoNoNoNoNoNo" instead of the usual "Not in Service". As far as I know it hasn't been back to normal since. I am not sure what the cause could be, but I am guessing it is a dodgy connection somewhere which would explain why the side display also stopped working.
I would be surprised if it was being replaced in the near future since Centrebus applied an advert to the rear a couple of weeks ago after being empty for the past 2.5 years - surely if they were planning on getting rid of it they wouldn't have bothered. It also will likely continue to be useful for contracts which have less strict requirements of which busses can be used, even if it isn't allowed on the 22 due to emissions.
As for the bus itself, I believe it was upgraded to Euro 5 when it was with Metroline in London. It may have been upgraded to Euro 6 whilst it was with Centrebus, but I am not sure. Other than that, it is actually quite a nice one considering it's 19 years old - it is my personal favourite of the deckers used for the university shuttle! It is the quietest of the bunch (especially on the top deck), the seats are way more comfortable with more padding than the others, and the seats all have plenty of leg room (which is a struggle for me on some busses, notably the single decker OmniCities 728 and 729). It does look dated, but so do the OmniCities now, and I think it is almost old enough to be cool again. I would also argue that comfort is better than looks of a bus.
913 is now in Leicester. But strangely this and 912 have had very little use past few days? My guess is they could be being fitted with "Tap Off" ticketers.
Strange move, or not?
Centrebus are launching a 128 next week. It's essentially the 2 between Barrow and Leicester (just via Abbey Lane).
Elsewhere from 16th July - Vectare have registered changes and are launching a 2N between Leicester and Loughborough..
Seems strange, even Leicester city council wanted the route axing as too duplicated with Arriva / First but now look.. 2 operators resuming it? Good move? Or not?
I don't really know what to think
Quote from: Glenfieldmathk1 on June 22, 2023, 10:07:24 PMStrange move, or not?
Centrebus are launching a 128 next week. It's essentially the 2 between Barrow and Leicester (just via Abbey Lane).
Elsewhere from 16th July - Vectare have registered changes and are launching a 2N between Leicester and Loughborough..
Seems strange, even Leicester city council wanted the route axing as too duplicated with Arriva / First but now look.. 2 operators resuming it? Good move? Or not?
I don't really know what to think
I understand that the Centrebus 128 is to be worked with the same bus that works the peak time the 866 (Loughborough to Sutton Bonington)
Have Vectare released a timetable for the 2X/2N?
As the routes will only use the A6/Abbey Lane within the Leicester City area I doubt the City Council would be to bothered about it.
Thursday 6th July.. the first day since Centrebus took over 22 that all 4 vehicles are double deckers. Hopefully more days like this to come.
912 back out after a while off road.
Quote from: Glenfieldmathk1 on July 06, 2023, 09:08:57 AMThursday 6th July.. the first day since Centrebus took over 22 that all 4 vehicles are double deckers. Hopefully more days like this to come.
912 back out after a while off road.
578 has also returned to service too after nearly 2 months off
Centrebus have sent some larger single deckers down to Luton this week on loan for graduation services so probably why the 22 has had all 4 deckers in use
Quote from: Glenfieldmathk1 on July 06, 2023, 09:08:57 AMThursday 6th July.. the first day since Centrebus took over 22 that all 4 vehicles are double deckers. Hopefully more days like this to come.
912 back out after a while off road.
912 was replaced by 783 at 15:30, so it probably broke down again.
I had 913 home earlier and it was pretty much full, so it's very clear that the route still needs doubles.
Quote from: SSmith2009 on July 06, 2023, 07:00:42 PM578 has also returned to service too after nearly 2 months off
Centrebus have sent some larger single deckers down to Luton this week on loan for graduation services so probably why the 22 has had all 4 deckers in use
Equally I was on the 162, and the solo 323 (I think), was beeping and sounding awful.. driver called control who must of told him to keep driving!
Makes you think about their quality control!
Went on the 128 today to Barrow Upon Soar! Wow what a great (fast) journey 👍 A Shame there wasn't many on the bus. Hopefully it will gain popularity and they won't withdraw it.
RV22 DMY, an Ilesbus bodied Iveco demonstrator, was noted parked in the yard at Leicester depot on 25/08/2023.
Still parked there today.
Bus 727 is now predominantly pink by virtue of it gaining an allover advert vinyl for the worthy cause of organ donation. Thankfully, the windows aren't covered with anything.
Nice to see Dart 555 in in the new livery and sees use virtually every day.
Anyone know why 924/5 haven't see any use for over a month if Bustimes are correct, not long purchased and painted them.
Quote from: Mayfield on September 28, 2023, 06:21:57 PMAnyone know why 924/5 haven't see any use for over a month if Bustimes are correct, not long purchased and painted them.
From what's been posted on the Centrebus enthusiasts facebook group they're both currently VOR (Vehicle Off Road)
931 went on loan to Grantham to assist and 909 has joined it
Quote from: SSmith09 on September 28, 2023, 06:26:28 PMFrom what's been posted on the Centrebus enthusiasts facebook group they're both currently VOR (Vehicle Off Road)
931 went on loan to Grantham to assist and 909 has joined it
On 28/09/2023, 931 was noted in the yard at Wenlock Way, Leicester. Also present was an allover white MCV Evora bodied Volvo B8RLE registered BV73 MKA.
Quote from: 47609FireFly on September 28, 2023, 11:04:31 AMBus 727 is now predominantly pink by virtue of it gaining an allover advert vinyl for the worthy cause of organ donation. Thankfully, the windows aren't covered with anything.
Seems fitting that one of the old UHL busses got a UHL-branded advert - I wonder if this was intentional?
I noticed that according to bustimes 726 and 728 went back to the depot at around 10am on 26/09/23, the day before 727 went back into service, and haven't been back out since. This is just speculation but I think that they may have been called back to the depot in order to have similar adverts applied?
Also does anyone know what has happened to 729? It apparently hasn't been used since 3 July and there is zero evidence of it being at Luton for the graduation shuttles on Flickr unlike the other 3 Scania single decks that went down there in July.
Quote from: Magikrabby on September 29, 2023, 02:08:57 AMSeems fitting that one of the old UHL busses got a UHL-branded advert - I wonder if this was intentional?
I noticed that according to bustimes 726 and 728 went back to the depot at around 10am on 26/09/23, the day before 727 went back into service, and haven't been back out since. This is just speculation but I think that they may have been called back to the depot in order to have similar adverts applied?
Also does anyone know what has happened to 729? It apparently hasn't been used since 3 July and there is zero evidence of it being at Luton for the graduation shuttles on Flickr unlike the other 3 Scania single decks that went down there in July.
No idea whether the fitting of the advert to bus 727 was intentional.
When I wandered around the perimeter of the depot on 28/09/2023, both 726 & 728 were parked up on the New Star Road side of the site, either side of the stripped carcass of Versa 772. Neither 726 or 728 had similar adverts to 727 applied. 728 was noted to be without a ticket ticket machine.
729 has popped up in a number of conversations recently, all of which have gone a similar way. It went down to Luton with the intention of being used on graduation shuttles but had the misfortune of suffering a major unit failure on the journey down from Leicester. It's certainly not at Wenlock Way, Leicester, so one presumes it was recovered to Luton and did not see any use on the graduation shuttles.
Quote from: 47609FireFly on September 29, 2023, 01:18:09 AMOn 28/09/2023, 931 was noted in the yard at Wenlock Way, Leicester. Also present was an allover white MCV Evora bodied Volvo B8RLE registered BV73 MKA.
One of two for Leicester, the second B8RLE is away for repaint currently i believe
Quote from: 47609FireFly on September 29, 2023, 12:23:58 PM728 was noted to be without a ticket ticket machine.
Was it without the main ticket machine or the tap off one? I don't believe it ever had a tap off machine since it is primarily used for private contracts, presumably due to its age.
When it passed me today I noticed that it also has an advert for organ donation, albeit a much more subtle advert on just the side. I am unsure when it was added but my photo of it from 25/09/2023 shows it so it was certainly added before then.
Quote from: 47609FireFly on September 29, 2023, 12:23:58 PM729 has popped up in a number of conversations recently, all of which have gone a similar way. It went down to Luton with the intention of being used on graduation shuttles but had the misfortune of suffering a major unit failure on the journey down from Leicester. It's certainly not at Wenlock Way, Leicester, so one presumes it was recovered to Luton and did not see any use on the graduation shuttles.
I suspected that might have happened! I have missed seeing it around on the uni shuttles this week - while I don't particularly enjoy riding on it due to the seats, I love the aesthetic of it in the new livery!
Another MCV Evora bodied Volvo B8RLE, registered BV73 MKC, was noted at Wenlock Way on 04/10/2023. This one wears the latest Centrebus livery.
Didn't see it today when I drove by.
643 out on the 22 this morning
I see 729 has disappeared from Bustimes, I presume it's been disposed off, also no sign of 556, 924 and 925 coming back to life yet.
Interesting registered change.. 22A will operate Evington to Barrow Upon Soar in the new year?
Quote from: Glenfieldmathk1 on November 20, 2023, 07:32:58 PMInteresting registered change.. 22A will operate Evington to Barrow Upon Soar in the new year?
According the the 'service changes' listed on the Leicester Buses website for January 2024:
22A - Evington to Birstall via City Centre - some journeys will be extended beyond Bristall to serve Barrow-upon-Soar, Sileby and Cossington to replace the 128 service which will be withdrawn.
https://www.leicesterbuses.co.uk/service-changes
Quote from: Mayfield on November 14, 2023, 03:58:55 PMI see 729 has disappeared from Bustimes, I presume it's been disposed off, also no sign of 556, 924 and 925 coming back to life yet.
924 has re started service today and 925 is due to re enter service soon. (Was told by a driver)
924 not tracking yet but 925 has started tracking today
Quote from: xmj-signal on November 22, 2023, 08:34:09 PMAccording the the 'service changes' listed on the Leicester Buses website for January 2024:
22A - Evington to Birstall via City Centre - some journeys will be extended beyond Birstall to serve Barrow-upon-Soar, Sileby and Cossington to replace the 128 service which will be withdrawn.
https://www.leicesterbuses.co.uk/service-changes
There are also timing changes to the 8, 27, 154 and 832. In particular, an extra daily service is being added to the 27 which will run as the 27X, running from Loughborough to Barrow and then directly to Sileby, avoiding Walton-on-the-Wolds and Seagrave. The service 27/27X will also move its Loughborough terminus from Lemyngton Street stand LA to Baxter Gate stand BC, and the service 8's terminus will also move from Baxter Gate stand BA to BC.
https://www.centrebus.info/service-changes/
I think that moving the 27 back to Baxter Gate is a good idea as the new stop is closer to the town centre, but the particular choice of stand for the 8 and 27/27X is probably the worst choice, as the Kinchbus 9 already uses that stop as its terminus and thus buses spend lengthy periods waiting at that stop already, which has on some occasions forced me to step into the road to catch the Arriva 127, which along with the Arriva 16 also stops at that stand. In short, I see stand BC becoming even more overcrowded with waiting buses.
Anyone know what's happened to 728 and Hop 841
Quote from: Mayfield on January 05, 2024, 08:51:57 PMAnyone know what's happened to 728 and Hop 841
I read 841 was involved in a RTC
I don't fully understand how this happens that Bustimes says last used 25th October but when you click on the history it says 09th December
It's a shame Chaserider can't have 620 - 624 as them 5 buses would help them out because they are euro 6, even if they are just loans, Chaserider are currently 6 euro 6 buses short, this would also allow 506 to have its body work repaired and get repainted, and would also allow for 641 to go back to Volvo to have the issue sorted about it's awkward starting. Would be loverly to see them buses at Cannock.
Quote from: Mayfield on January 05, 2024, 08:51:57 PMAnyone know what's happened to 728 and Hop 841
I'm sure I've read elsewhere that 728 has been withdrawn (which is likely as it's nearly 20 years old)
Quote from: SSmith09 on January 06, 2024, 08:06:22 AMI'm sure I've read elsewhere that 728 has been withdrawn (which is likely as it's nearly 20 years old)
Still taxed according to the DVLA, who also think it's green!
Quote from: joieman on January 06, 2024, 08:20:57 PMStill taxed according to the DVLA, who also think it's green!
The green would be from it's days with NCT
Quote from: SSmith09 on January 06, 2024, 08:49:39 PMThe green would be from it's days with NCT
That's what I thought, and indeed it was so, except no picture I found of it on Flickr had it in a strictly green colour - it was initially teal and then yellow while with NCT.
Isn't there a legal duty to inform DVA of colour a change ?
Quote from: Mayfield on January 08, 2024, 09:59:28 AMIsn't there a legal duty to inform DVA of colour a change ?
Yes they should have changed the colour on the V5C . There is a fine of £1,000 if it's not updated.
Quote from: Mayfield on January 08, 2024, 09:59:28 AMIsn't there a legal duty to inform DVA of colour a change ?
For some reason it is one of the few things you cannot do online, you need to do it manually and take the V5c to a Post Office.
I think that is why DVSA don't chase people so much for not updating.
Leicester E400 913 has unusually spent the afternoon on service 162 to Park Rise today.
Due to its size the driver had to miss out the Bonney Road/Dhillon Way and Frolesworth Road sections
Quote from: SSmith09 on January 23, 2024, 08:41:07 PMLeicester E400 913 has unusually spent the afternoon on service 162 to Park Rise today.
Due to its size the driver had to miss out the Bonney Road/Dhillon Way and Frolesworth Road sections
Wow, that is a rarity!
I assume he would have went up along Birds Nest Ave then onto Dillon Way this way (like the 14A's usually do when diverting), then I assume after Charnor Road he went along dominion to Liberty Road that way?
Does anyone know what has happened to 621 and 910
Quote from: Mayfield on February 21, 2024, 03:17:02 PMDoes anyone know what has happened to 621 and 910
910 is a bit of a strange one. 909 spent several months off the road at the end of the last year, until 1st December when 910 was taken back to the depot and swapped out for 909, and 910 hasn't been used since. It doesn't seem like a breakdown to me, because tracking data at the time indicated it was driven back. My guess is that those 2 vehicles needed extended periods of maintenance, but they staggered it so that only one decker is off the road at once, which would explain why one left when the other came back.
In other news looks like Grantham is losing all 3 of its deckers, which will be transferring elsewhere. Any ideas where the might be headed? My guess is Leicester because no other operations currently use deckers, but then again they might be transferring because elsewhere needs some deckers.
(Source: https://flic.kr/p/2pzu2jz)
Quote from: Magikrabby on February 21, 2024, 09:50:51 PM910 is a bit of a strange one. 909 spent several months off the road at the end of the last year, until 1st December when 910 was taken back to the depot and swapped out for 909, and 910 hasn't been used since. It doesn't seem like a breakdown to me, because tracking data at the time indicated it was driven back. My guess is that those 2 vehicles needed extended periods of maintenance, but they staggered it so that only one decker is off the road at once, which would explain why one left when the other came back.
In other news looks like Grantham is losing all 3 of its deckers, which will be transferring elsewhere. Any ideas where the might be headed? My guess is Leicester because no other operations currently use deckers, but then again they might be transferring because elsewhere needs some deckers.
(Source: https://flic.kr/p/2pzu2jz)
Damon confirmed in the centrebus Facebook enthusiasts group that the deckers will be going to Leicester as Leicester uses them for the Evington runs but could also be useful for the uni route and school runs.
Quote from: Pscar05 on February 21, 2024, 10:46:26 PMDamon confirmed in the centrebus Facebook enthusiasts group that the deckers will be going to Leicester as Leicester uses them for the Evington runs but could also be useful for the uni route and school runs.
Thanks for the info! They would certainly be useful for the uni shuttle as at peak times the single deckers are always rammed full. I have on many occasions been at the stop for upwards of 30 mins waiting for a bus empty enough to actually board!
With regards to 909/910 if you are correct where would they disappear to ?
Quote from: Mayfield on February 22, 2024, 08:45:05 PMWith regards to 909/910 if you are correct where would they disappear to ?
As far as I'm aware.. they aren't going anywhere. 910 is under maintenance (the same thing that happened with 909 last year!).. I believe that's what was written above.
Also, yes the Deckers are coming to Leicester. 902 is a larger bus and is expected to be used on the uni service.
Will be nice to see a Gemini decker in use on the 22!
They did purchase the 2 B8's for 22 though, so unsure if they'll just retain running the 2 DD's on 22! Or if a full DD output could be run! (Like back in the First bus days).
Although.. I did also think that perhaps they've won a new contract which could need Double deckers (hence the what seems sudden move).
I noticed today that 910 in parked at the bottom in the alley between the 2 yards next to withdrawn 772
Quote from: Glenfieldmathk1 on February 22, 2024, 11:22:38 PMAs far as I'm aware.. they aren't going anywhere. 910 is under maintenance (the same thing that happened with 909 last year!).. I believe that's what was written above.
Also, yes the Deckers are coming to Leicester. 902 is a larger bus and is expected to be used on the uni service.
Will be nice to see a Gemini decker in use on the 22!
They did purchase the 2 B8's for 22 though, so unsure if they'll just retain running the 2 DD's on 22! Or if a full DD output could be run! (Like back in the First bus days).
Although.. I did also think that perhaps they've won a new contract which could need Double deckers (hence the what seems sudden move).
All the deckers will be coming to Leicester by the sounds of it
Quote from: Pscar05 on February 23, 2024, 08:58:34 PMAll the deckers will be coming to Leicester by the sounds of it
Yes, that's what I put 👍
The Gemini deckers seem to spend more time off the road than on the road, and that is probably due to the fact the 27 and 28 are quite long distance so hard on the busses. Grantham depot probably thought that using 2 singles would be more reliable for the higher capacity school journeys, since they have several spares if one breaks down. The Geminis would probably perform better on the Leicester routes, and will mean there are some spares.
I expect that one will go on the uni shuttle, one will do the 22/22A, and the last will do S832 and the 603 contract.
Also 910 is now back on the road, which will hopefully mean that all of Leicester's existing deckers will be in use for the first time since last August!
Wonder if 931 is due to be retired when the other DDs transfer although on the face of it it does seem pretty reliable even after a hard life in the capital
931 appears to be significantly more reliable than 912 or 913, which often seem to break down according to their tracking data. I would say it is one of the most reliable busses in the whole fleet! I was on it today - the engine still sounds healthy and it never seems to struggle accelerating, so I can only see age being a reason for withdrawal in its current state. I guess we will find out soon what will happen to it. I am hoping they at least keep it until August when it will turn 20 years old!
And it also looks very smart albeit in London red
Quote from: Magikrabby on February 27, 2024, 08:20:42 PM931 appears to be significantly more reliable than 912 or 913, which often seem to break down according to their tracking data. I would say it is one of the most reliable busses in the whole fleet! I was on it today - the engine still sounds healthy and it never seems to struggle accelerating, so I can only see age being a reason for withdrawal in its current state. I guess we will find soon what will happen to it. I am hoping they at least keep it until August when it will turn 20 years old!
IIRC the previous vehicle to use fleet number 931 was scania decker H231 LOM and that proved to be a reliable workhorse.
555 not been used for a few day, hope there's nothing to drastic wrong with it
Quote from: SSmith09 on February 28, 2024, 07:55:59 AMIIRC the previous vehicle to use fleet number 931 was scania decker H231 LOM and that proved to be a reliable workhorse.
Loved LOM! I think it was one of their best they had 👍 I'm sure it lasted longer in the fleet too before being withdrawn.
Back in May 2023 I went to Chaserider depot in Cannock, and I seen 930 plaxton president, I believe that this bus is still at Cannock depot. Anyone know what is happening with this bus please?
Quote from: Wba_lad on March 07, 2024, 10:07:25 AMBack in May 2023 I went to Chaserider depot in Cannock, and I seen 930 plaxton president, I believe that this bus is still at Cannock depot. Anyone know what is happening with this bus please?
Nobody seems to know about this.. it also doesn't appear on the official fleet list?
Quote from: Glenfieldmathk1 on March 13, 2024, 04:38:14 PMNobody seems to know about this.. it also doesn't appear on the official fleet list?
It is Centrebus 930 and was parked there for months, I haven't been past lately to know if it is still there
Could it possibly have been purchased by Birmingham Bus Works
Quote from: Mayfield on March 13, 2024, 05:37:12 PMCould it possibly have been purchased by Birmingham Bus Works
No, It was still Centrebus.
Quote from: Tony on March 13, 2024, 05:35:30 PMIt is Centrebus 930 and was parked there for months, I haven't been past lately to know if it is still there
It is still there buried amongst the Busworks stock.
Quote from: Wumpty on March 14, 2024, 12:09:21 PMIt is still there buried amongst the Busworks stock.
Thankyou, I wonder what is going to happen with it, it's been sat there a awful long time.
Quote from: Wba_lad on March 07, 2024, 10:07:25 AMBack in May 2023 I went to Chaserider depot in Cannock, and I seen 930 plaxton president, I believe that this bus is still at Cannock depot. Anyone know what is happening with this bus please?
It transferred from Grantham to Leicester around October 2022 to use on the uni shuttle, and I believe it was withdrawn a few weeks later. I am unsure as to why - maybe a breakdown that was uneconomical to repair? Presumably it was sent to Cannock for storage, and is being kept there as spare parts for 931 and will eventually be scrapped. It is visible in a picture of 623 in December without its destination display, which is probably the one that went in 931 last June.
It has been SORNed with its plate reverted to the original LK04 NMJ. The same thing happened to 932 when that was withdrawn, so unfortunately I doubt there's any chance of it coming back to the road.
Seemingly 3 single deckers have transferred over to Grantham to replace the double deckers - these being 522 from Chaserider, 531 from D&G, and 745 from Leicester. Seems interesting only one of these is from Leicester - does this mean Leicester will end up with 2 extra buses or is something else due to leave?
Quote from: Magikrabby on March 16, 2024, 01:54:09 AMSeemingly 3 single deckers have transferred over to Grantham to replace the double deckers - these being 522 from Chaserider, 531 from D&G, and 745 from Leicester. Seems interesting only one of these is from Leicester - does this mean Leicester will end up with 2 extra buses or is something else due to leave?
Have heard that the other 2 former hospital hoppers (like 745) will move on. Although apparently there's no rush as the uni is due Easter break soon so service U is reduced.
Then 931 is being prepped for MOT so currently off road, potentially not back until end of summer (when uni restarts).
924 has transferred and is working the uni shuttle today. I wasted no time and had a ride on it earlier, and it's a nice bus - smooth ride and comfortable seats. Certainly is a strong contender for the best decker they own!
I'm guessing the other deckers will follow shortly.
Quote from: Magikrabby on March 27, 2024, 02:19:47 PM924 has transferred and is working the uni shuttle today. I wasted no time and had a ride on it earlier, and it's a nice bus - smooth ride and comfortable seats. Certainly is a strong contender for the best decker they own!
I'm guessing the other deckers will follow shortly.
Are you a uni student? As I thought you'd need to be to use the uni shuttle?
Is it Euro 6? If it is (I think it is) then hopefully might make an appearance on 22! (Perhaps once all are at depot)!
Quote from: Glenfieldmathk1 on March 27, 2024, 03:58:00 PMAre you a uni student? As I thought you'd need to be to use the uni shuttle?
I am indeed. The service is for UoL students only.
Quote from: Glenfieldmathk1 on March 27, 2024, 03:58:00 PMIs it Euro 6? If it is (I think it is) then hopefully might make an appearance on 22! (Perhaps once all are at depot)!
I would have thought that they are, considering the B9s were originally intended for the 22.
Easter holiday starts tomorrow, which means a reduced uni service, so I think there is a high chance it will appear on the 22. Although I am under the impression that Grantham's deckers are intended for the uni shuttle (which is most welcome because even with a 5 minute service at peak, single deckers dont cut it).
Quote from: Magikrabby on March 27, 2024, 09:36:18 PMI am indeed. The service is for UoL students only.
I would have thought that they are, considering the B9s were originally intended for the 22.
Easter holiday starts tomorrow, which means a reduced uni service, so I think there is a high chance it will appear on the 22. Although I am under the impression that Grantham's deckers are intended for the uni shuttle (which is most welcome because even with a 5 minute service at peak, single deckers dont cut it).
I've just read on Facebook that 924/925 are capable of being programmed with next stop audio & visual - if this is the case, I'd say they'd more than likely be used on the 22's! 924 did make some journeys today on the 22! (Although the side display programming showed 77 Fvington).
I would definitely say 902 will be on uni work when it arrives as it's a longer vehicle with more seats.. (this isn't Euro 6-think it's Euro 3? So won't be able to be used in the city routes).
Latest update:
912/3 are also set to get next stop as are most single deckers in the fleet.. Looks like something similar to what's already on the Orbital / HH etc.
642/3 are currently off road having next stop / destination equipment being fitted.
Friday 12th April saw a solid Double decker output on the 22! With 910, 912, 913 & 924 in use for almost the full day! (Although some singles did venture onto it too).
924 is very comfortable and gives a great smooth ride 👍
According to tracking, 912 is on route 20!
Any confirmation if this is correct?
Quote from: Glenfieldmathk1 on April 22, 2024, 05:16:07 PMAccording to tracking, 912 is on route 20!
Any confirmation if this is correct?
It is correct. Was on my way home and noticed it was tracking so rushed out again to check and get a photo 😅
Also a Orbital branded E10 was on Hop today which is quite rare (though not as rare as the decker on 20!)
Quote from: Magikrabby on April 22, 2024, 07:28:56 PMIt is correct. Was on my way home and noticed it was tracking so rushed out again to check and get a photo 😅
Also a Orbital branded E10 was on Hop today which is quite rare (though not as rare as the decker on 20!)
think it's the first time in a long while a decker has been on the 20 the last one afaik being 909 in late 2022.
912 replaced 507 today.
OmniDekka 902 is now in Leicester, along with ex-Uno E200 YX66 WGW. They have been posted on Centrebus' Instagram story
Update: 925 has arrived in Leicester, being swapped for the ex-Uno which is now in Grantham. 621 has returned from Luton, operating Melton Foods today, and apparently 328 has returned from High Peak.
Quote from: Magikrabby on April 25, 2024, 04:04:03 PMOmniDekka 902 is now in Leicester, along with ex-Uno E200 YX66 WGW. They have been posted on Centrebus' Instagram story
Update: 925 has arrived in Leicester, being swapped for the ex-Uno which is now in Grantham. 621 has returned from Luton, operating Melton Foods today, and apparently 328 has returned from High Peak.
328 was noted in the yard at Wenlock Way on 26/04/2024. Luton's 624 was also present in the yard, being at Leicester for some TLC.
Quote from: Magikrabby on March 27, 2024, 09:36:18 PMI am indeed. The service is for UoL students only.
I would have thought that they are, considering the B9s were originally intended for the 22.
Easter holiday starts tomorrow, which means a reduced uni service, so I think there is a high chance it will appear on the 22. Although I am under the impression that Grantham's deckers are intended for the uni shuttle (which is most welcome because even with a 5 minute service at peak, single deckers dont cut it).
924 & 925 are not Euro 6.
Quote from: Magikrabby on April 25, 2024, 04:04:03 PMOmniDekka 902 is now in Leicester, along with ex-Uno E200 YX66 WGW. They have been posted on Centrebus' Instagram story
Update: 925 has arrived in Leicester, being swapped for the ex-Uno which is now in Grantham. 621 has returned from Luton, operating Melton Foods today, and apparently 328 has returned from High Peak.
902 has probably moved now 531 has entered service
Quote from: Mayfield on April 28, 2024, 09:33:30 AM902 has probably moved now 531 has entered service
I think the vehicle movements are to prepare for Monday when the uni shuttle returns to the term time timetable, increasing the PVR by 5