I have just learnt from a colleagues who still works In Whitehall that HS2 was agreed and signed off by the Prime Minister in Cabinet this afternoon and will go ahead albeit with a few tweaks to delight of the Metro Mayor of the WMCA
Quote from: richardjones210368 on January 30, 2020, 03:50:03 PM
I have just learnt from a colleagues who still works In Whitehall that HS2 was agreed and signed off by the Prime Minister in Cabinet this morning and will go ahead albeit with a few tweaks to delight of the Metro Mayor of the WMCA
Yes I did hear about that. Nice to see that it's finally going through.
Let's hope you're right richardj. Could it just be a rumour? Any suggestion when decision, if it has been made, will be put in the public domain
Quote from: RW on January 30, 2020, 05:30:07 PM
Let's hope you're right richardj. Could it just be a rumour? Any suggestion when decision, if it has been made, will be put in the public domain
As I worked with a person who is now high up at No 10 for six years I can assure you that according to him it is most defiantly on as he has seen the minutes of the cabinet meeting but slightly revised I asked him if I could leak it and he said feel free I am not aware of the exact date for the official announcement but it is green lighted the last date will be 11th March when the Finance Act is due to be debated.
Not sure how your post reflects reports on the evening news that the PM, Chancellor and Transport Secretary are still meeting this evening to consider their decision. Here's hoping your source is right. Time will tell!
Quote from: RW on January 30, 2020, 06:30:35 PM
Not sure how your post reflects reports on the evening news that the PM, Chancellor and Transport Secretary are still meeting this evening to consider their decision. Here's hoping your source is right. Time will tell!
The decision was taken at 15.30 for HS2 this afternoon and was agreed. The PM & Chancellor and other senior cabinet ministers are meeting now and debating the rest of The Finance Act to be enacted on the 11th March 2020 today's cabinet was not just for HS2 but for everything connected with Sajids Budget including the revisions to The Buses Act to be announced. I have been at meetings at no 11 and they can start at 1pm and go on to 9.30pm at night. HS2 was just one of a number items to be discussed the media always focus on one issue. The meting will finish about 9.30pm for the Lobby Correspondents to be briefed before the main news on the three networks at 10pm
Thanks richardj. You can't be surprised that news of that significance causes a few doubts given the way it has arrived on this forum. But prepared to take it at face value and now await the 10 o'clock news with nervous anticipation. Thanks again for responding.
Quote from: RW on January 30, 2020, 09:03:03 PM
Thanks richardj. You can't be surprised that news of that significance causes a few doubts given the way it has arrived on this forum. But prepared to take it at face value and now await the 10 o'clock news with nervous anticipation. Thanks again for responding.
It isn't due to be announced till early next week at the earliest, plus the fact that many backbench MPs have severe misgivings about it and may need persuading against voting against it.
I myself can't see the point in spending such an amount on 1 single project when there are so many other projects which need public money.
Plus if cities like Birmingham want HS2 they should be prepared to cough up a percentage towards the cost.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 30, 2020, 09:18:10 PM
It isn't due to be announced till early next week at the earliest, plus the fact that many backbench MPs have severe misgivings about it and may need persuading against voting against it.
I myself can't see the point in spending such an amount on 1 single project when there are so many other projects which need public money.
Plus if cities like Birmingham want HS2 they should be prepared to cough up a percentage towards the cost.
The next phase will be whipped the Government has a large enough majority the number of backbench Mps against it according to my source is 12 leaving the Government with a majority of at the worst 68. Not a single one of the 63 new MPs would dare defy the whip after becoming incumbents of the Tory Whip. HS2 has been signed off the cabinet to be honest I would not be surprised to see Grant Shapps place a Statutory Instrument before the commons avoiding a vote anyway. The bill in whatever form will form part of the Finance Bill on the 11th March. WMCA is not allowed to fund national infrastructure projects these have to come from Central Government therefore Birmingham could not fund HS2 even if it wanted too.
Quote from: RW on January 30, 2020, 09:03:03 PM
Thanks richardj. You can't be surprised that news of that significance causes a few doubts given the way it has arrived on this forum. But prepared to take it at face value and now await the 10 o'clock news with nervous anticipation. Thanks again for responding.
It might be with the lobby corespondents tonight but any formal announcement will be closer to the 11th March but its going ahead
"Closer to 11th March". Really? PM says decision imminent and Transport Sec' says next week. No way can they delay up to 11 March. MP's would not put up with that sort of delay. What would be the point? More likely PM is holding announcement back in order to avoid anything overshadowing Brexit day. You could run that past your 'source' for a view richardj.
Quote from: RW on January 31, 2020, 08:33:49 AM
"Closer to 11th March". Really? PM says decision imminent and Transport Sec' says next week. No way can they delay up to 11 March. MP's would not put up with that sort of delay. What would be the point? More likely PM is holding announcement back in order to avoid anything overshadowing Brexit day. You could run that past your 'source' for a view richardj.
MPs will have to put up with it despite your comments and my source will happily confirm that the 11th March is BUDGET DAY despite any announcement made at the dispatch box beforehand the legislation will form part of The Finance Act 2020 which cannot be laid before the House before The Chancellors Speach there is a major parliamentary difference between an announcement at The Dispatch Box which is likely in the coming days with an order paper seconded by Transport Secretary following a Statement to the House & legislation actually laid before the House which is what I am commenting on with the 11th March. What I will totally agree with you today is a day of national significance for the United Kingdom who on earth would want overshadow & take the limelight of The Pet Shop Boys first No1 indie chart hit for 26 years?
Think we might be saying the same thing richardj. I know budget day is 11 March and I thought that you were saying that was when decision would be announced in the House and to the public, but you then refer to a despatch box announcement which I think we both agree should be/probably will be early next week. Hopefully it will be the only sensible decision that can be made namely HS2 is go. Any other decision would be highly embarrassing to the PM personally and the Govt in general and would incur the wrath of the voters who put him there.
Quote from: RW on January 31, 2020, 03:39:10 PM
Think we might be saying the same thing richardj. I know budget day is 11 March and I thought that you were saying that was when decision would be announced in the House and to the public, but you then refer to a despatch box announcement which I think we both agree should be/probably will be early next week. Hopefully it will be the only sensible decision that can be made namely HS2 is go. Any other decision would be highly embarrassing to the PM personally and the Govt in general and would incur the wrath of the voters who put him there.
Yes
@RW fully agree with all your points
Please keep us up to date richardj with anything that comes your way if you are able to. Sadly can't rely on the media which in general appear to be obsessed with all things 'northern' are mostly anti HS2 and just seem to ignore the needs of the Midlands.
On the eve of the confirmation from the Dispatch Box of HS2 being greenlit the designs for Curzon Street have gone live:
https://www.hs2.org.uk/stations/birmingham-curzon-street/
So tomorrow's the day richardj?
Those Curzon Street designs will be a credit to Birmingham and the greater Midlands area not to mention those who pass through it.
Quote from: RW on February 04, 2020, 11:39:11 AM
So tomorrow's the day richardj?
Those Curzon Street designs will be a credit to Birmingham and the greater Midlands area not to mention those who pass through it.
Nothing definite yet it will be tucked away in Hansard one day this week that on.the following days parliamentary business it will state Statement from the Secretary State for Transport then we know its Green for go I will keep us updated
Quote from: richardjones210368 on February 04, 2020, 10:37:02 AM
On the eve of the confirmation from the Dispatch Box of HS2 being greenlit the designs for Curzon Street have gone live:
https://www.hs2.org.uk/stations/birmingham-curzon-street/
But those designs have been on the government website since 2018. What have they changed?
Quote from: Gareth on February 04, 2020, 03:11:02 PM
But those designs have been on the government website since 2018. What have they changed?
As far as I am aware they have been updated today prior to the HS2 announcement.
Quote from: richardjones210368 on February 04, 2020, 11:42:51 AM
Nothing definite yet it will be tucked away in Hansard one day this week that on.the following days parliamentary business it will state Statement from the Secretary State for Transport then we know its Green for go I will keep us updated
Surely richardj Hansard is the record of Parliamentary debates, statements by Ministers etc. As far as I know there has been no debate on HS2 recently so not sure what can be tucked away. Anything said and recorded in Hansard would be in the public domain from that point in time. Understand that statement by Secretary of State could be listed as next days business for H of C but nothing in Hansard until that statement is made. Am I missing something or simply mis-understanding what you are saying in which case apologies.
Quote from: RW on February 04, 2020, 03:35:45 PM
Surely richardj Hansard is the record of Parliamentary debates, statements by Ministers etc. As far as I know there has been no debate on HS2 recently so not sure what can be tucked away. Anything said and recorded in Hansard would be in the public domain from that point in time. Understand that statement by Secretary of State could be listed as next days business for H of C but nothing in Hansard until that statement is made. Am I missing something or simply mis-understanding what you are saying in which case apologies.
Hansard also has the order papers for the following days business in both Houses its abit like the order of play at Wimbledon and as such the first indication of a statement to the house will be posted here.
You live and learn. Thanks richardj. Let's hope it's sooner rather than later eh? Thousands of construction workers also hoping for a green light removing the threat of unemployment for themselves and their families!
Quote from: RW on February 04, 2020, 05:03:45 PM
You live and learn. Thanks richardj. Let's hope it's sooner rather than later eh? Thousands of construction workers also hoping for a green light removing the threat of unemployment for themselves and their families!
Yes you are so right mate it will be an economic disaster for the West Midands if my source is wrong which I hope he isnt mind you he is Welsh!
Now you've really worried me!!!
Be Brave he knows his buses especially SWT.
Never mind 'his buses' what about his HS2. Only joking, but do hope his info to you of the position iin Whitehall is right on the mark!
As I've posted elsewhere what I can't understand is why, if there's the slightest chance of HS2 not getting a green light, work is being allowed to continue on site along the length of the proposed route including here in Birmingham and heading South from the City? It must be racking up tens of thousands of pounds per week, as a minimum, in additional costs. Makes no sense unless it is going ahead. A clue it is going ahead maybe?
Quote from: RW on February 05, 2020, 04:47:35 PM
As I've posted elsewhere what I can't understand is why, if there's the slightest chance of HS2 not getting a green light, work is being allowed to continue on site along the length of the proposed route including here in Birmingham and heading South from the City? It must be racking up tens of thousands of pounds per week, as a minimum, in additional costs. Makes no sense unless it is going ahead. A clue it is going ahead maybe?
Be patient mate the PM has had his bridge building attempt with David Cameron thrown back.in his face by the former PM. Mr Johnson is not a happy bunny.
And that impacts on the HS2 decision how richardj?
I understand the decision on HS2 will now be announced shortly before the commons rises for the Spring Recess next Friday as MPs will depart next Friday for thier constituencys and will then be unable to call early day motions to debate the decision. A very very clever decision made by my nemesis Dominic Cummings.
Hope your right richardj. Listening to Grant Shapps on Sky sounds like more delay, more indecision, Govt dithering. If you believe the media the green light seems to have dimmed slightly. Hopefully your 'source' remains confident. Never mind levelling up the country's infrastructure if this was a London scheme.........need I say it?
Quote from: RW on February 06, 2020, 10:26:52 AM
Hope your right richardj. Listening to Grant Shapps on Sky sounds like more delay, more indecision, Govt dithering. If you believe the media the green light seems to have dimmed slightly. Hopefully your 'source' remains confident. Never mind levelling up the country's infrastructure if this was a London scheme.........need I say it?
Forgot to reply yesterday an unholy row broke out behind the scenes when The PM reached out David Cameron who let's face it he bought down and the former PM snubbed his job offer I understand Dominc Cummings was fuming and lobby journalists thrown out of a briefing because of this issue.
So what are you saying richardj that HS2 was overtaken by other events yesterday? Surely PM can't afford to let David Cameron issues force HS2 out of kilter? If that's what you're suggesting. What was the briefing for DC or HS2. If the latter Grant Shapps putting a different story around!
Quote from: RW on February 06, 2020, 03:02:34 PM
So what are you saying richardj that HS2 was overtaken by other events yesterday? Surely PM can't afford to let David Cameron issues force HS2 out of kilter? If that's what you're suggesting. What was the briefing for DC or HS2. If the latter Grant Shapps putting a different story around!
The Prime Minister due to other events is only able to now brief Back Bench MPs tonight as the Cobra Meetings after the terrorist attrocity, the killer chinese flu and the Cameron fiasco have overwhelmed No10s business this week.
Ah well that waste of taxpayers money has been given the go ahead.
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 11, 2020, 12:54:14 PM
Ah well that waste of taxpayers money has been given the go ahead.
Time will tell if it's a waste of money. Regional flights will be gone by the time HS2 is completed.
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 11, 2020, 12:54:14 PM
Ah well that waste of taxpayers money has been given the go ahead.
But the west coast is running at capacity, what would your idea be?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on February 11, 2020, 01:09:33 PM
But the west coast is running at capacity, what would your idea be?
4 track Chiltern with a new line connecting Aylesbury, Rugby (and a spur to Northampton), Leicester and then 4 track to Leeds via Derby.
Or alternatively a less focus on London and more businesses being moved to the region's.
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 11, 2020, 01:17:12 PM
4 track Chiltern with a new line connecting Aylesbury, Rugby (and a spur to Northampton), Leicester and then 4 track to Leeds via Derby.
Or alternatively a less focus on London and more businesses being moved to the region's.
Extra capacity using 19th century lines. No thanks, catch up with the rest of the world
Spot on Tony. Where do all these dinosaurs come from? Can't see beyond the end of the week.
2 years ago I produced a 2500 word essay evaluating the impacts of HS2 with the data that was provided back then. When concluding I did say at the time whilst it possessed many benefits, drawbacks such as cost, austerity measures back then, environmental damage, and the overcrowding of other lines, where potentially this money could have helped resolve these issues in a shorter time frame. I wish I had this document still that I could share with you. It was an A* essay too ☺️. However I have no objections now that we have Boris as PM, and will deliver what has been promised
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 11, 2020, 12:54:14 PM
Ah well that waste of taxpayers money has been given the go ahead.
I don't think there was any doubt that it wouldn't go ahead.
Too much has been spent already, and if the project was pulled, I'm sure a number of contractors would have had to have received some form of 'compensation', or something like that.
It would definitely have been a waste of money if the project had been scrapped.
Quote from: Tony on February 11, 2020, 03:19:00 PM
Extra capacity using 19th century lines. No thanks, catch up with the rest of the world
The irony is that 'our' HS2 line is already something like 25 years behind many other parts of the world that already have high-speed train lines.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 11, 2020, 12:58:05 PM
Time will tell if it's a waste of money. Regional flights will be gone by the time HS2 is completed.
Now that wouldn't surprise me in the least!
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 11, 2020, 07:23:02 PM
However I have no objections now that we have Boris as PM, and will deliver what has been promised
I wouldn't trust Boris to deliver a bath, let alone a high speed rail project. He is a prime minister who was only elected on a xenophobic backing propped up with Russian blood and oil money. #notmyPM
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 11, 2020, 07:38:44 PM
I wouldn't trust Boris to deliver a bath, let alone a high speed rail project. He is a prime minister who was only elected on a xenophobic backing propped up with Russian blood and oil money. #notmyPM
No politics on here please.
(he is your prime minister - it's called democracy)
Back to HS2 please
My question is, will people be able to afford to travel on it? I know fares on HS1 are considerably more expensive than normal train fares between the places it serves.
Will it be the case that billions in tax payers money will be spent and only the lucky few can afford a ticket.
Lol concorde of the rail network
@Stuharris 6360 😂😂😂
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 11, 2020, 11:40:54 PM
My question is, will people be able to afford to travel on it? I know fares on HS1 are considerably more expensive than normal train fares between the places it serves.
Will it be the case that billions in tax payers money will be spent and only the lucky few can afford a ticket.
In the same way Avanti fares are more expensive than LNWR fares, still get full trains.... If only the lucky few can afford tickets how are trains on HS1 so popular?
Quote from: Kevin on February 12, 2020, 08:01:42 AM
In the same way Avanti fares are more expensive than LNWR fares, still get full trains.... If only the lucky few can afford tickets how are trains on HS1 so popular?
London-Paris on HS1 - journey time 2h42m - walk on fare £169
London-Newcastle on GNER - journey time 2h49m - walk on fare £165
Look very similar fares on high speed lines to me.
Quote from: Kevin on February 12, 2020, 08:01:42 AM
In the same way Avanti fares are more expensive than LNWR fares, still get full trains.... If only the lucky few can afford tickets how are trains on HS1 so popular?
In addition, off peak fares on HS1 are cheap to get bums on seats. For instance, Wolverhampton to Ramsgate using Avanti to Euston and HS1 from St Pancras - £17.15 with railcard. They'll have to offer similar deals on HS2 to fill off-peak trains.
Quote from: Roy on February 12, 2020, 08:58:27 AM
In addition, off peak fares on HS1 are cheap to get bums on seats. For instance, Wolverhampton to Ramsgate using Avanti to Euston and HS1 from St Pancras - £17.15 with railcard. They'll have to offer similar deals on HS2 to fill off-peak trains.
Price discrimination is the term
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 12, 2020, 11:16:22 AM
Price discrimination is the term
No, it's differential pricing.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 12, 2020, 11:16:22 AM
Price discrimination is the term
How is it? It's no different to London Birmingham fares. In general the quicker you want to get to London, the more you pay. LNWR are the slowest and cheapest, Avanti are the quickest and most expensive, Chiltern are in the middle.
Yes I know advance tickets can skew this, but it stands on general
Quote from: Tony on February 12, 2020, 01:39:06 PM
How is it? It's no different to London Birmingham fares. In general the quicker you want to get to London, the more you pay. LNWR are the slowest and cheapest, Avanti are the quickest and most expensive, Chiltern are in the middle.
Yes I know advance tickets can skew this, but it stands on general
I was on about how peak journeys are so expensive and how you can get cheap tickets off peak.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 12, 2020, 02:30:06 PM
I was on about how peak journeys are so expensive and how you can get cheap tickets off peak.
Off peak is quieter, ticket prices are therefore lowered to encourage more travellers / stimulate demand
From London St Pancras International to Gravesend
Off Peak Return via Thameslink £14:20
Off Peak Return via HS1 £18:80
Anytime Day Return via Thameslink £19.90
Anytime Day Return via HS1 £26:60
So therefore to me you are charged a premium for HS1 even though public money was paid out to build it!
Quote from: Winston on February 12, 2020, 02:35:18 PM
Off peak is quieter, ticket prices are therefore lowered to encourage more travellers / stimulate demand
Yes essentially those that pay peak fares enable those who travel off peak to have such low fares- therefore pricing these consumers into the market at a consequence of the higher fare paying passengers. Third degree price discrimination
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 12, 2020, 04:35:49 PM
Yes essentially those that pay peak fares enable those who travel off peak to have such low fares- therefore pricing these consumers into the market at a consequence of the higher fare paying passengers. Third degree price discrimination
It's the simple rule of demand & supply that sets the pricing.
Quote from: Winston on February 12, 2020, 04:59:28 PM
It's the simple rule of demand & supply that sets the pricing.
One could argue it delves further than that, but yes essentially
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 12, 2020, 03:12:06 PM
From London St Pancras International to Gravesend
Off Peak Return via Thameslink £14:20
Off Peak Return via HS1 £18:80
Anytime Day Return via Thameslink £19.90
Anytime Day Return via HS1 £26:60
So therefore to me you are charged a premium for HS1 even though public money was paid out to build it!
Doesn't matter who paid for it to be built. If you want a premium service you pay a premium price. As much as we may disagree with how tax money is spent, that's how taxes work.
Quote from: Gareth on February 12, 2020, 06:35:13 PM
Doesn't matter who paid for it to be built. If you want a premium service you pay a premium price. As much as we may disagree with how tax money is spent, that's how taxes work.
Yes, same applies everywhere. You want a Tesco Christmas hamper or a Harrods Christmas hamper? You pay more for the premium product
Households in the Hodge Hill constituency have been receiving letters from Liam Byrne to attend an online meeting tomorrow about bridge works due to start next year, going on for a year. One of them being Aston Church Road and the other being Saltley Viaduct.
For me personally Saltley Viaduct would be the most inconvenient.
It does tie in to a rumour a few years ago that the 14 would possibly have to be operated by single deckers to allow its diversion under the low bridge on Diddeston Mill Road. (This was however, purely speculative)
Quote from: Gareth on March 03, 2021, 06:00:20 PM
For me personally Saltley Viaduct would be the most inconvenient.
What do you mean by that
Quote from: 2206 on March 03, 2021, 06:56:18 PM
What do you mean by that?
I presume closing Saltley Viaduct for up to a year will disrupt his travel.
Quote from: Tony on March 03, 2021, 06:57:23 PM
I presume closing Saltley Viaduct for up to a year will disrupt his travel.
Hopefully they won't close them both at the same time? So 55/94 can still use Aston Church Road whilst Saltley Viaduct is closed?
Quote from: 2206 on March 03, 2021, 06:59:55 PM
Hopefully they won't close them both at the same time? So 55/94 can still use Aston Church Road whilst Saltley Viaduct is closed?
It wouldn't be the end of the world to have a longer walk to a bus stop, but it misses out a big chunk of well used route.
Been a bit of 'noise' in the media yesterday and today about the supposed cancellation of HS2 to Euston, with the service terminating at Old Oak Common instead, with passengers having to use the Elizabeth Line Cross-Rail service, or London Underground, to get into central London.
Hunt doubles down on HS2 amid calls for line to be cancelledhttps://www.expressandstar.com/news/transport/2023/01/27/hunt-doubles-down-on-hs2-amid-calls-for-line-to-be-cancelled/
I was amused by the Lichfield Loudmouth Michael Fabricant's comment:
QuoteHe said if the line was going to terminate at Old Oak Common it would make "even more of a mockery of what high speed rail should be".
"The original plan would have linked Birmingham New Street to London, Paris and beyond," he added. "Now it may not even get to the centre of London.
"People will not use a high speed railway unless it goes from city centre to city centre. The whole project is botched and it is time to call an end to it."
Well, in order to travel on the Eurostar to get to 'Paris and beyond', one still needs to travel via London Underground in order to get to St Pancras International, which is of course located next to Kings Cross station.
There was never going to be a 'seamless' transition from HS2 onto Eurostar/HS1, even when it goes all the way to Euston. (For the record, I've travelled by train to Belgium in the past - Chiltern Line from Solihull to Marylebone, LU to Kings Cross/St Pancras, then Eurostar to Brussells, and then onto local trains, it took a while lol, but wasn't a massive inconvenience and was quite a fun journey in the end!)
I did Birmingham to Paris yesterday. Walked from Euston to St Pancras. 10min walk tops. Probably as quick as the tube and navigating the stations underground.
Quote from: Gareth on January 27, 2023, 09:49:50 PMI did Birmingham to Paris yesterday. Walked from Euston to St Pancras. 10min walk tops. Probably as quick as the tube and navigating the stations underground.
I'm of the same opinion, I always walk, even with suitcases, you even have the choice of Euston Road, or they have now signposted a walk through the houses.
Quote from: Gareth on January 27, 2023, 09:49:50 PMI did Birmingham to Paris yesterday. Walked from Euston to St Pancras. 10min walk tops. Probably as quick as the tube and navigating the stations underground.
Quote from: Tony on January 28, 2023, 11:53:37 AMI'm of the same opinion, I always walk, even with suitcases, you even have the choice of Euston Road, or they have now signposted a walk through the houses.
True, admittedly Marylebone is a bit further, but you often don't realise how close together some places are.
There are no two ways about it - the whole misbegotten scheme should by dropped.
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Every other high speed line in the world has been built to permit a vast increase in speed and frequency - and not from a twenty-minute service of 125 mph trains, so the original business case is fatally flawed.
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And that's before the combined effects of Covid and Avanti incompetence persuaded people they don't need to travel anyway.
Quote from: mikestone on January 28, 2023, 07:26:18 PMThere are no two ways about it - the whole misbegotten scheme should by dropped.
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Every other high speed line in the world has been built to permit a vast increase in speed and frequency - and not from a twenty-minute service of 125 mph trains, so the original business case is fatally flawed.
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And that's before the combined effects of Covid and Avanti incompetence persuaded people they don't need to travel anyway.
Where do you get 125mph from? HS2 is being built for a vast increase in speed and frequency
Quote from: Tony on January 28, 2023, 11:53:37 AMI'm of the same opinion, I always walk, even with suitcases, you even have the choice of Euston Road, or they have now signposted a walk through the houses.
Know what you mean, several years back I walked from corner of Oxford St/Tottenham court road up to Goodge street took about 15 minutes. While waiting for theatre to open.
I can see it been a good thirty minute walk to get to Euston
Do you think in years to come we will be able to catch a train direct to Amsterdam/Paris from Birmingham.
Quote from: Ginger66 on February 11, 2023, 08:19:12 PMDo you think in years to come we will be able to catch a train direct to Amsterdam/Paris from Birmingham.
No. Not in our life times anyway.
That was the plan many years ago. Ship has sailed.
Quote from: Tony on January 28, 2023, 08:20:13 PMWhere do you get 125mph from? HS2 is being built for a vast increase in speed and frequency
My point is that the existing service runs, or did pre-Covid, at 125mph and every twenty minutes - no other HS line has replaced services running at that speed or frequency, and few if any actually offer frequencies anything like that, so any increase in traffic is likely to turn out complete fantasy .
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As a regular user an Avanti, hs2 can't come soon enough. Just wonder if will come when still of working age and if tickets will affordable.
Signs of things to come?
https://news.sky.com/story/hs2-boss-resigns-amid-political-pressure-and-rising-costs-for-the-project-12919754