WM Bus Photos Forum

Quote from: John on June 20, 2013, 06:53:45 PM
Yes, all OmniLinks now have the proper NXWM logos.


Still in TWM livery at Walsall are -

1786
4125, 4126, 4127, 4129, 4130, 4131, 4132, 4133, 4134, 4135, 4137, 4305, 4306, 4307, 4308, 4309, 4329, 4331, 4332
4733, 1434, 4735, 4736

I have more than likely have forgot one or 2!

Quote from: lynx1103 on June 20, 2013, 07:09:42 PM
Tridents need to focus on repainting

Quote from: lynx1103 on June 20, 2013, 07:16:53 PM
Only 4138 done recently

Also from 1 September 2013 Walsall is to
Operate service 2 Cannock evenings and Sundays

It will follow 302 route to Lower farm exit via Stafford road then continue as 2A to Cannock

And service 33 Walsall-Brownhills

Quote from: lynx1103 on June 20, 2013, 07:16:53 PM
Only 4138 done recently

Also from 1 September 2013 Walsall is to
Operate service 2 Cannock evenings and Sundays

It will follow 302 route to Lower farm exit via Stafford road then continue as 2A to Cannock

And service 33 Walsall-Brownhills

Quote from: lynx1103 on June 20, 2013, 07:16:53 PM
Only 4138 done recently

Also from 1 September 2013 Walsall is to
Operate service 2 Cannock evenings and Sundays

It will follow 302 route to Lower farm exit via Stafford road then continue as 2A to Cannock

And service 33 Walsall-Brownhills

Quote from: lynx1103 on June 20, 2013, 08:44:45 PM
2A maybe

Not sure about 33 low bridge clayhanger

Walsall B7RLE height 11.4

We"ll have to wait and see

Quote from: dannygill on June 20, 2013, 10:03:03 PM
good to see nx winning contracts from arriva, at least the are keeping them at bay! I hope that nx do bid for more as it keeps them competitive on non commercial stuff. I know they are gigantic is size buts its good to see they not just take there size dominance for granted! But I will say isn't it a little unnecessary to have a bus as big as a b7 working 2 service? b6 I think would be more suited like in the old 351 days? I have been thinking for a while that Walsall could do with some enviro200 would be ideal for routes like 7 and 8 that used to have b6's anyway and even 77 too!
I would also imagine bob must be happy nxwm are coming back to Cannock more

Quote from: notepanel on June 20, 2013, 08:45:15 PM

Quote from: lynx1103 on June 20, 2013, 07:16:53 PM
Only 4138 done recently

Also from 1 September 2013 Walsall is to
Operate service 2 Cannock evenings and Sundays

It will follow 302 route to Lower farm exit via Stafford road then continue as 2A to Cannock

And service 33 Walsall-Brownhills

So would I be correct in saying this is going to be replacing at least some of the 302 evening & Sunday journeys. If so, that would explain why NXWM were perhaps able to win the contract.

Quote from: Ashley 4569 on June 21, 2013, 12:45:20 AM
Well thatl be something extra one sunday afternoon, maybe it could give the B6s a bit of extra use if B7RLEs are a bit much capacity wise not height wise

The 7 couldnt cope with E200s as with routes already mentioned

Only TWM liveried buses at Walsall are 1786 and all Tridents except 4128 4136 4138 and 4330, those four are in various shades of red

1434 is in NXWM livery

Quote from: Westy on June 20, 2013, 11:26:14 PM

Quote from: notepanel on June 20, 2013, 08:45:15 PM

Quote from: lynx1103 on June 20, 2013, 07:16:53 PM
Only 4138 done recently

Also from 1 September 2013 Walsall is to
Operate service 2 Cannock evenings and Sundays

It will follow 302 route to Lower farm exit via Stafford road then continue as 2A to Cannock

And service 33 Walsall-Brownhills

So would I be correct in saying this is going to be replacing at least some of the 302 evening & Sunday journeys. If so, that would explain why NXWM were perhaps able to win the contract.

Why number it 2A?

There is already a 2A during the daytime operating a different route.

If anything, the peaks & daytime journeys should have been numbered 2A & 2B, leaving the evening & Sunday service as 2.

(It has been known for the evening & Sunday service to take the wrong route once in a blue moon!)

Another couple of things, maybe the 2 evening & Sundays ought to move into the Walsall Bus Station rather than staying at Hatherton Road & will the 302 return fare be continued on the NX 2 journeys, despite being partly subsidised.

(It'll be interesting to see the Network WM leaflet, whether the 1/2/301 & 302 are combined on one leaflet or not? They ought to be !)

Quote from: Tony on June 21, 2013, 11:44:31 AM
I think it is the other end of the route, Brownhills to Rugeley

Quote from: Ashley 4569 on June 21, 2013, 12:45:20 AM
Well thatl be something extra one sunday afternoon, maybe it could give the B6s a bit of extra use if B7RLEs are a bit much capacity wise not height wise

The 7 couldnt cope with E200s as with routes already mentioned

Only TWM liveried buses at Walsall are 1786 and all Tridents except 4128 4136 4138 and 4330, those four are in various shades of red

1434 is in NXWM livery

Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 27, 2013, 09:07:41 PM
I'm sure it was posted on the forum that 4361 has transferred to WA. Can anyone confirm this?

Quote from: John on July 27, 2013, 09:10:27 PM

Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 27, 2013, 09:07:41 PM
I'm sure it was posted on the forum that 4361 has transferred to WA. Can anyone confirm this?

I'm sure it was seen on the 51. But it may have been one of the buses floating around with the tunnel closures

Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 27, 2013, 09:14:37 PM

Quote from: John on July 27, 2013, 09:10:27 PM

Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 27, 2013, 09:07:41 PM
I'm sure it was posted on the forum that 4361 has transferred to WA. Can anyone confirm this?

I'm sure it was seen on the 51. But it may have been one of the buses floating around with the tunnel closures

But i think it was rob who said they had seen it on the 40 days before so must be at WA. Area any more tridents transferring to Walsall?

Quote from: 37351ml on July 29, 2013, 07:17:41 PM
4735 noted being towed ex city at 19.15 back to wa by a mansfield tow truck. John

Quote from: notepanel on July 29, 2013, 09:25:56 PM
It appears there has been a very serious accident involving an X51 this evening on the Birmingham Road in Walsall.

A car driver has died and 26 people on the bus were checked over by paramedics, with 8 then going on to hospital.

Obviously my thoughts go to the deceased and anyone involved with or injured in this incident.

http://officialwmas.wordpress.com/

Quote from: Liverpool Street on July 29, 2013, 09:43:53 PM
Darn, this along with 4218, the refurb guys are going to be busy. Thoughts go out to the deceased.

Quote from: mranon on July 29, 2013, 10:26:55 PM
yamyam news?

Quote from: Kevin on July 29, 2013, 10:33:40 PM
S*** man I've been in some near misses around that junction when I used to go to school in Walsall. Definitely thoughts going out, will have to wait and see what actually happened

Quote from: Tony on July 30, 2013, 08:36:39 AM

Quote from: Kevin on July 29, 2013, 10:33:40 PM
S*** man I've been in some near misses around that junction when I used to go to school in Walsall. Definitely thoughts going out, will have to wait and see what actually happened

There are now photos on 'Yam-Yam news' http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2013/07/30/man-killed-after-walsall-crash/

The bus looks perfectly positioned on the road and it was not at the junction. Looks like either 4125 or 4129

Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 30, 2013, 09:29:53 AM

Quote from: Tony on July 30, 2013, 08:36:39 AM

Quote from: Kevin on July 29, 2013, 10:33:40 PM
S*** man I've been in some near misses around that junction when I used to go to school in Walsall. Definitely thoughts going out, will have to wait and see what actually happened

There are now photos on 'Yam-Yam news' http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2013/07/30/man-killed-after-walsall-crash/

The bus looks perfectly positioned on the road and it was not at the junction. Looks like either 4125 or 4129

I'd say that's 4125

Quote from: vinh1000 on July 30, 2013, 09:35:39 AM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on July 30, 2013, 09:29:53 AM

Quote from: Tony on July 30, 2013, 08:36:39 AM

Quote from: Kevin on July 29, 2013, 10:33:40 PM
S*** man I've been in some near misses around that junction when I used to go to school in Walsall. Definitely thoughts going out, will have to wait and see what actually happened

There are now photos on 'Yam-Yam news' http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2013/07/30/man-killed-after-walsall-crash/

The bus looks perfectly positioned on the road and it was not at the junction. Looks like either 4125 or 4129

I'd say that's 4125

Same here

Quote from: lynx1103 on July 30, 2013, 03:26:58 PM
It is 4129 in Walsall Garage

Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 30, 2013, 07:51:50 PM
Will it be repaired??

Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 30, 2013, 08:11:33 PM

Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 30, 2013, 07:51:50 PM
Will it be repaired??

No doubt it will be with it also gaining a well deserved repaint as it was looking a bit scruffy. What is it with buses involved in collisions. 4129 on the X51 now 5416 today in Wolverhampton.

Quote from: Andrew on July 30, 2013, 08:28:54 PM

Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 30, 2013, 08:11:33 PM

Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 30, 2013, 07:51:50 PM
Will it be repaired??

No doubt it will be with it also gaining a well deserved repaint as it was looking a bit scruffy. What is it with buses involved in collisions. 4129 on the X51 now 5416 today in Wolverhampton.

And 1 in brierley hill if u read the bottom of the article

Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 30, 2013, 08:39:09 PM

Quote from: Andrew on July 30, 2013, 08:28:54 PM

Quote from: Trident 4609 on July 30, 2013, 08:11:33 PM

Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 30, 2013, 07:51:50 PM
Will it be repaired??

No doubt it will be with it also gaining a well deserved repaint as it was looking a bit scruffy. What is it with buses involved in collisions. 4129 on the X51 now 5416 today in Wolverhampton.

And 1 in brierley hill if u read the bottom of the article

Wonder if it was a PE bus or a WN bus (255)?

Quote from: Kevin on August 01, 2013, 06:31:41 AM
something interesting I noticed yesterday morning, the one journey on the X51 in the morning that runs city - Scott arms only at 07:50, according to the running board it then goes to the garage for a while then onto the 41. Thought the whole reason for it terminating at Scott arms was so it could do a short journey into the city in the rush hour. Or is it just a summer timetable thing?

Quote from: notepanel on August 01, 2013, 02:04:15 PM

Quote from: Kevin on August 01, 2013, 06:31:41 AM
something interesting I noticed yesterday morning, the one journey on the X51 in the morning that runs city - Scott arms only at 07:50, according to the running board it then goes to the garage for a while then onto the 41. Thought the whole reason for it terminating at Scott arms was so it could do a short journey into the city in the rush hour. Or is it just a summer timetable thing?

Just a summer thing. Normally, it runs dead from Scott Arms to Gillity Village to operate a 705 school service before returning to garage. The term-time 41 board also begins with that bus operating another of the 705 school services in the morning, before running dead to Walsall and continuing on the 40/41 until the end of the day. To reduce PVR during the summer, the two buses have been merged onto one board.

Quote from: lynx1103 on August 01, 2013, 06:14:16 PM
547 servere front end damage involved in RTC on 31 July 2013 whilst operating 336

At Manor Hospital/Pleck Road Lights

Lets see wheather rebuilt or not

Quote from: Ashley 4569 on August 01, 2013, 07:39:54 PM
I had 547 on the 6 tuesday night

Quote from: lynx1103 on August 01, 2013, 06:12:03 PM

Quote from: notepanel on August 01, 2013, 02:04:15 PM

Quote from: Kevin on August 01, 2013, 06:31:41 AM
something interesting I noticed yesterday morning, the one journey on the X51 in the morning that runs city - Scott arms only at 07:50, according to the running board it then goes to the garage for a while then onto the 41. Thought the whole reason for it terminating at Scott arms was so it could do a short journey into the city in the rush hour. Or is it just a summer timetable thing?

Just a summer thing. Normally, it runs dead from Scott Arms to Gillity Village to operate a 705 school service before returning to garage. The term-time 41 board also begins with that bus operating another of the 705 school services in the morning, before running dead to Walsall and continuing on the 40/41 until the end of the day. To reduce PVR during the summer, the two buses have been merged onto one board.

W41-07

Written down to be Enviro

First Journey

41 0910 from Walsall

Quote from: FireballXL5 on August 02, 2013, 01:14:09 PM
547 came in to Carlyle Bus & Coach yesterday afternoon for repair and 4129 has just arrived.

Quote from: Winston on August 02, 2013, 01:15:37 PM

Quote from: FireballXL5 on August 02, 2013, 01:14:09 PM
547 came in to Carlyle Bus & Coach yesterday afternoon for repair and 4129 has just arrived.

Surprised 547 is being repaired

Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 02, 2013, 02:58:11 PM
Would have thought it would have been cheaper to put one of the ex PE B6s back into service than repair 547.

Quote from: wmacb13 on August 01, 2013, 06:39:29 PM
There is possibly another accident on the X51 this evening.

An articulated lorry and 4125 are at the scene on Birmingham Road close to the junction of Wellington Road (near 'The Bell').
Traffic being diverted down Wellington Road, so could not see if there was any damage.

Alan

Quote from: Tony on August 02, 2013, 03:51:33 PM

Quote from: wmacb13 on August 01, 2013, 06:39:29 PM
There is possibly another accident on the X51 this evening.

An articulated lorry and 4125 are at the scene on Birmingham Road close to the junction of Wellington Road (near ‘The Bell’).
Traffic being diverted down Wellington Road, so could not see if there was any damage.

Alan

4125 in service today so certainly not damaged

Quote from: FireballXL5 on August 02, 2013, 01:14:09 PM
547 came in to Carlyle Bus & Coach yesterday afternoon for repair and 4129 has just arrived.

Quote from: Tony on August 02, 2013, 03:51:33 PM

Quote from: wmacb13 on August 01, 2013, 06:39:29 PM
There is possibly another accident on the X51 this evening.

An articulated lorry and 4125 are at the scene on Birmingham Road close to the junction of Wellington Road (near 'The Bell').
Traffic being diverted down Wellington Road, so could not see if there was any damage.

Alan

4125 in service today so certainly not damaged

Quote from: 37351ml on August 03, 2013, 12:15:01 AM
4878 51 towards city at 00.10 at scott arms. 23.27 ex walsall running late? John

Quote from: 37351ml on August 03, 2013, 12:15:01 AM
4878 51 towards city at 00.10 at scott arms. 23.27 ex walsall running late? John

Quote from: Nathan on August 04, 2013, 09:56:07 AM
regarding the new 94/5/6/ branding

is it going to be applied to just the ex 935 branded buses

Quote from: John on August 04, 2013, 10:02:28 AM

Quote from: Nathan on August 04, 2013, 09:56:07 AM
regarding the new 94/5/6/ branding

is it going to be applied to just the ex 935 branded buses

I would think 4880-4 might get it as they have no front or rear logos were the new branding is applied. I could also see a few more 487*s gaining it, say 4874 and 4875 as well as the ex-935 branded 4876/4879

There are now a lot more buses on these routes rather than just the 4 that were on the 935 before, sol it would make sense for a few more to be branded

Quote from: Nathan on August 04, 2013, 10:16:29 AM
why wasn't the 997 included in the branding ?. Just wondering

Quote from: John on August 04, 2013, 10:20:09 AM

Quote from: Nathan on August 04, 2013, 10:16:29 AM
why wasn't the 997 included in the branding ?. Just wondering

That may be because the 997 already has the branded Enviros, and they have leather seats, and the 934/5/6 just uses Enviros with normal seats. I would like to see new 997 branding though, been my local route

Quote from: Westy on August 04, 2013, 11:33:21 AM
except if any of the buses went onto the X51, which doesn't serve Perry Barr technically.

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 05, 2013, 09:16:35 PM

Quote from: Ash on August 05, 2013, 08:35:04 PM
I wonder in time if the 4 will ever be upgraded to double decker operation

The reason the 4/H/M don't get deckers is something about the route back to garage has a low bridge or something if i correctly read on here?

Quote from: Kevin on August 07, 2013, 10:51:02 AM
Copied from the WB garage thread, so it doesn't end up clogging it up with unrelated posts...

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 05, 2013, 09:16:35 PM

Quote from: Ash on August 05, 2013, 08:35:04 PM
I wonder in time if the 4 will ever be upgraded to double decker operation

The reason the 4/H/M don't get deckers is something about the route back to garage has a low bridge or something if i correctly read on here?

This has been mentioned before and if I'm honest (and if it's true) i think it's a pathetic excuse. The buses are generally quite full every time i see them (apart from last Saturday to Merry Hill, which was weird) and could do with deckers, and nowhere on the route is stopping it. But because of a bridge between the garage and the start of the route, when there's a perfectly good alternative with no bridges, the service can only use single deckers? Even if there was an incident before, still sounds stupid.

Quote from: Nathan on August 07, 2013, 08:24:26 PM
Is there any deckers at WA to be used, without taking them off other routes I.e 77, 6 etc

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 07, 2013, 09:27:56 PM

Quote from: Nathan on August 07, 2013, 08:24:26 PM
Is there any deckers at WA to be used, without taking them off other routes I.e 77, 6 etc

Routes like the 10/A/40/1/69/70/A have spare deckers like the leather seated E400's so at least on sundays they could be used?

Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 07, 2013, 09:30:24 PM

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 07, 2013, 09:27:56 PM

Quote from: Nathan on August 07, 2013, 08:24:26 PM
Is there any deckers at WA to be used, without taking them off other routes I.e 77, 6 etc

Routes like the 10/A/40/1/69/70/A have spare deckers like the leather seated E400's so at least on sundays they could be used?

Wouldn't get into Halesowen then :(

Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 07, 2013, 09:30:24 PM

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 07, 2013, 09:27:56 PM

Quote from: Nathan on August 07, 2013, 08:24:26 PM
Is there any deckers at WA to be used, without taking them off other routes I.e 77, 6 etc

Routes like the 10/A/40/1/69/70/A have spare deckers like the leather seated E400's so at least on sundays they could be used?

Wouldn't get into Halesowen then :(

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 07, 2013, 09:37:17 PM
You never know. 4869 has appeared on the 4/H/M

Quote from: John on August 07, 2013, 09:44:42 PM

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 07, 2013, 09:37:17 PM
You never know. 4869 has appeared on the 4/H/M

When was that Nathan?

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 07, 2013, 09:50:22 PM

Quote from: John on August 07, 2013, 09:44:42 PM

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 07, 2013, 09:37:17 PM
You never know. 4869 has appeared on the 4/H/M

When was that Nathan?

I swear it was posted on here a few months back but a 48** trident was definetley reported on the 4M

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 07, 2013, 09:50:22 PM

Quote from: John on August 07, 2013, 09:44:42 PM

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 07, 2013, 09:37:17 PM
You never know. 4869 has appeared on the 4/H/M

When was that Nathan?

I swear it was posted on here a few months back but a 48** trident was definetley reported on the 4M

Quote from: Nathan on August 07, 2013, 09:52:26 PM

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 07, 2013, 09:50:22 PM

Quote from: John on August 07, 2013, 09:44:42 PM

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 07, 2013, 09:37:17 PM
You never know. 4869 has appeared on the 4/H/M

When was that Nathan?

I swear it was posted on here a few months back but a 48** trident was definetley reported on the 4M

Nathan? , isnt 4869 a Enviro400 branded 51

Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 07, 2013, 09:53:25 PM
Nathan? , isnt 4869 a Enviro400 branded 51

Quote from: Tony on August 13, 2013, 09:38:09 AM
4734 on the 10 today

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 14, 2013, 09:44:13 PM
4128 going down the Lichfield Road in Wednesfield (By the Tesco Garage and Albion Pub) being driven by Matthew Jukes from WN garage displaying Walsall Garage on the Dot Matrix display.

Anybody know why?

Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on August 14, 2013, 11:27:46 PM

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 14, 2013, 09:44:13 PM
4128 going down the Lichfield Road in Wednesfield (By the Tesco Garage and Albion Pub) being driven by Matthew Jukes from WN garage displaying Walsall Garage on the Dot Matrix display.

Anybody know why?

Early start on V-fest shifting?

Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 14, 2013, 11:31:09 PM

Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on August 14, 2013, 11:27:46 PM

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 14, 2013, 09:44:13 PM
4128 going down the Lichfield Road in Wednesfield (By the Tesco Garage and Albion Pub) being driven by Matthew Jukes from WN garage displaying Walsall Garage on the Dot Matrix display.

Anybody know why?

Early start on V-fest shifting?

My initial thought too

That's what I was thinking

Quote from: Michael on August 16, 2013, 07:31:35 PM
I was at Walsall garage today doing my driver training and noticed a "POG" Metrobus by the paint shop? What's the story behind that?

Quote from: John on August 16, 2013, 07:45:07 PM

Quote from: Michael on August 16, 2013, 07:31:35 PM
I was at Walsall garage today doing my driver training and noticed a "POG" Metrobus by the paint shop? What's the story behind that?

Was it 'POG 577Y' in white? If so, I think that is owned by West Midlands Police as a community bus. It is stored at Walsall.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/eagle50043/8575892128/in/photostream/

Quote from: Michael on August 17, 2013, 05:22:00 AM
Did you pass the stages of your training John?

Quote from: lynx1103 on August 21, 2013, 06:36:42 AM
2 newcomers to Walsall

0582
1430-on 69 today 21/08/2013

Quote from: lynx1103 on August 21, 2013, 03:41:13 PM

EG 1404 1468 1470 1473

Quote from: lynx1103 on August 21, 2013, 04:29:34 PM
I would like all B10L in reserve put back into service to replace 15xx merc. I think there in better condition then them. Some only had refurbed 2009-2010 . Make the B10L last until 2015.

It would be nice to see 1468 back at WA.

Quote from: lynx1103 on August 21, 2013, 05:44:13 PM
When they first came to Walsall there was a few issues with buses

Not going into gears

Loosing Air Pressure

But now they seem quite a reliable bus.

Just the odd one seems to break down now.

There's only 2 I don't like

1421-Sharpe breaking (Retarder)
1474- Rough Gear Changing

Faveroute

1446,1453,1430  Voith
1433,1439 ZF

It's a shame they haven't been sold on for further use with
Another operator.

Quote from: lynx1103 on August 21, 2013, 05:44:13 PM
When they first came to Walsall there was a few issues with buses

Not going into gears

Loosing Air Pressure

But now they seem quite a reliable bus.

Just the odd one seems to break down now.

There's only 2 I don't like

1421-Sharpe breaking (Retarder)
1474- Rough Gear Changing

Faveroute

1446,1453,1430  Voith
1433,1439 ZF

It's a shame they haven't been sold on for further use with
Another operator.

Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on August 21, 2013, 06:03:13 PM

Quote from: lynx1103 on August 21, 2013, 05:44:13 PM
When they first came to Walsall there was a few issues with buses

Not going into gears

Loosing Air Pressure

But now they seem quite a reliable bus.

Just the odd one seems to break down now.

There's only 2 I don't like

1421-Sharpe breaking (Retarder)
1474- Rough Gear Changing

Faveroute

1446,1453,1430  Voith
1433,1439 ZF

It's a shame they haven't been sold on for further use with
Another operator.

Was on 1433 today and it was fabulous it really was, quick, smart and honestly not a single rattle, better than every Merc I've been on and rattled less than 5512 I used to get home!

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 21, 2013, 02:09:35 PM

Quote from: lynx1103 on August 21, 2013, 06:36:42 AM
2 newcomers to Walsall

0582
1430-on 69 today 21/08/2013

Rode 1430 on the 69 on the 12:25 departure from Wolverhampton. Its on Running Board W69/04

Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 21, 2013, 09:42:07 PM
I think they've been cleaning and respraying the wheels

Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 21, 2013, 06:38:28 PM

Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on August 21, 2013, 06:03:13 PM

Quote from: lynx1103 on August 21, 2013, 05:44:13 PM
When they first came to Walsall there was a few issues with buses

Not going into gears

Loosing Air Pressure

But now they seem quite a reliable bus.

Just the odd one seems to break down now.

There's only 2 I don't like

1421-Sharpe breaking (Retarder)
1474- Rough Gear Changing

Faveroute

1446,1453,1430  Voith
1433,1439 ZF

It's a shame they haven't been sold on for further use with
Another operator.

Was on 1433 today and it was fabulous it really was, quick, smart and honestly not a single rattle, better than every Merc I've been on and rattled less than 5512 I used to get home!

I rode 1433 today too, on the 14:55 departure from Walsall, loved it! It's now my favourite B10L. Definitely the fastest B10L I've ever been on. I usually prefer the Voith B10Ls over the ZF ones but this one is an exception.

Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on August 21, 2013, 10:11:11 PM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 21, 2013, 06:38:28 PM

Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on August 21, 2013, 06:03:13 PM

Quote from: lynx1103 on August 21, 2013, 05:44:13 PM
When they first came to Walsall there was a few issues with buses

Not going into gears

Loosing Air Pressure

But now they seem quite a reliable bus.

Just the odd one seems to break down now.

There's only 2 I don't like

1421-Sharpe breaking (Retarder)
1474- Rough Gear Changing

Faveroute

1446,1453,1430  Voith
1433,1439 ZF

It's a shame they haven't been sold on for further use with
Another operator.

Was on 1433 today and it was fabulous it really was, quick, smart and honestly not a single rattle, better than every Merc I've been on and rattled less than 5512 I used to get home!

I rode 1433 today too, on the 14:55 departure from Walsall, loved it! It's now my favourite B10L. Definitely the fastest B10L I've ever been on. I usually prefer the Voith B10Ls over the ZF ones but this one is an exception.

That's the departure I got off at about 14:50 in Walsall!

Quote from: Tony on August 21, 2013, 09:56:16 PM

Quote from: BU07 LGO on August 21, 2013, 09:42:07 PM
I think they've been cleaning and respraying the wheels

Just read a message in one of my email accounts from head office - 582 & 1430 are replacements for 516 & 1435.

244 is also poorly at the moment with the engineers struggling to find out why it lacks power (apart from the fact it is a B6) leaving Walsall one tachograph fitted bus short. They are looking at fitting 4734 with a tacho.

Quote from: domino.99 on August 23, 2013, 07:26:05 PM
are omnilinks and enviros starting to become a bit of a normality on the 34? (I hope so)

Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2013, 07:28:51 PM

Quote from: domino.99 on August 23, 2013, 07:26:05 PM
are omnilinks and enviros starting to become a bit of a normality on the 34? (I hope so)

I hope Enviros are not becoming common on the 34 as the only ones at Walsall are currently double deck (but probably not for long if they are allocated to 34 running boards!)

Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2013, 07:28:51 PM

Quote from: domino.99 on August 23, 2013, 07:26:05 PM
are omnilinks and enviros starting to become a bit of a normality on the 34? (I hope so)

I hope Enviros are not becoming common on the 34 as the only ones at Walsall are currently double deck (but probably not for long if they are allocated to 34 running boards!)

Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 23, 2013, 07:34:07 PM

Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2013, 07:28:51 PM

Quote from: domino.99 on August 23, 2013, 07:26:05 PM
are omnilinks and enviros starting to become a bit of a normality on the 34? (I hope so)

I hope Enviros are not becoming common on the 34 as the only ones at Walsall are currently double deck (but probably not for long if they are allocated to 34 running boards!)

I gather there is a low bridge on the 34?

Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2013, 07:35:49 PM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 23, 2013, 07:34:07 PM

Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2013, 07:28:51 PM

Quote from: domino.99 on August 23, 2013, 07:26:05 PM
are omnilinks and enviros starting to become a bit of a normality on the 34? (I hope so)

I hope Enviros are not becoming common on the 34 as the only ones at Walsall are currently double deck (but probably not for long if they are allocated to 34 running boards!)

I gather there is a low bridge on the 34?

Not on the 34, but they interwork with 38s which go along Bridgeman Street

Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 23, 2013, 07:40:44 PM

Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2013, 07:35:49 PM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 23, 2013, 07:34:07 PM

Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2013, 07:28:51 PM

Quote from: domino.99 on August 23, 2013, 07:26:05 PM
are omnilinks and enviros starting to become a bit of a normality on the 34? (I hope so)

I hope Enviros are not becoming common on the 34 as the only ones at Walsall are currently double deck (but probably not for long if they are allocated to 34 running boards!)

I gather there is a low bridge on the 34?

Not on the 34, but they interwork with 38s which go along Bridgeman Street

Looking on Google Maps, the bridge on Bridgeman Street is 10'6". Are there any single deckers which won't fit under there? Omnilinks?

Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2013, 07:45:13 PM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 23, 2013, 07:40:44 PM

Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2013, 07:35:49 PM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 23, 2013, 07:34:07 PM

Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2013, 07:28:51 PM

Quote from: domino.99 on August 23, 2013, 07:26:05 PM
are omnilinks and enviros starting to become a bit of a normality on the 34? (I hope so)

I hope Enviros are not becoming common on the 34 as the only ones at Walsall are currently double deck (but probably not for long if they are allocated to 34 running boards!)

I gather there is a low bridge on the 34?

Not on the 34, but they interwork with 38s which go along Bridgeman Street

Looking on Google Maps, the bridge on Bridgeman Street is 10'6". Are there any single deckers which won't fit under there? Omnilinks?

see second photo down
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1750-1953/1883.html

Scanias are now used occasionally on the 38, but Walsall try to keep Eclipse of there because they are a bit close

Quote from: domino.99 on August 23, 2013, 07:59:53 PM

Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2013, 07:45:13 PM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 23, 2013, 07:40:44 PM

Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2013, 07:35:49 PM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 23, 2013, 07:34:07 PM

Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2013, 07:28:51 PM

Quote from: domino.99 on August 23, 2013, 07:26:05 PM
are omnilinks and enviros starting to become a bit of a normality on the 34? (I hope so)

I hope Enviros are not becoming common on the 34 as the only ones at Walsall are currently double deck (but probably not for long if they are allocated to 34 running boards!)

I gather there is a low bridge on the 34?

Not on the 34, but they interwork with 38s which go along Bridgeman Street

Looking on Google Maps, the bridge on Bridgeman Street is 10'6". Are there any single deckers which won't fit under there? Omnilinks?

see second photo down
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1750-1953/1883.html

Scanias are now used occasionally on the 38, but Walsall try to keep Eclipse of there because they are a bit close

Naaa no problem envrios can easily get under that

Quote from: Westy on August 23, 2013, 11:14:03 PM
Does the 38 have to use Bridgeman St?

Can't it use Queen St (I think? ) & Rolling Mill St, coming up Wednesbury Rd in & out of Walsall,  then double deckers could be used on the Darlaston corridor.

(Surprised Arriva haven't stuck a DD on either the 9 or 334?

Quote from: Westy on August 23, 2013, 11:14:03 PM
Does the 38 have to use Bridgeman St?

Can't it use Queen St (I think? ) & Rolling Mill St, coming up Wednesbury Rd in & out of Walsall,  then double deckers could be used on the Darlaston corridor.

(Surprised Arriva haven't stuck a DD on either the 9 or 334?

Quote from: JoNi on August 24, 2013, 01:50:44 PM
Trident on 334 on Thursday, didn't get number.

Quote from: JoNi on August 24, 2013, 09:01:12 PM
Yes, I passed it while riding in a Dart sitting on the nearside son only saw it was an ALX400 Trident.

Quote from: JoNi on August 24, 2013, 09:15:24 PM
Oops, not the first time I've put the wrong chassis on an ALX400, when I wrote an article about Coventry in Buses magazine I put the wrong chassis on Coventry Corporation liveried 4453. :o

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 24, 2013, 09:19:16 PM

Quote from: JoNi on August 24, 2013, 09:15:24 PM
Oops, not the first time I've put the wrong chassis on an ALX400, when I wrote an article about Coventry in Buses magazine I put the wrong chassis on Coventry Corporation liveried 4453. :o

Didn't you say it was an ALX400 B7TL? Arriva Wednesfield do have Tridents but with East Lancs bodywork

Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 23, 2013, 07:40:44 PM

Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2013, 07:35:49 PM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 23, 2013, 07:34:07 PM

Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2013, 07:28:51 PM

Quote from: domino.99 on August 23, 2013, 07:26:05 PM
are omnilinks and enviros starting to become a bit of a normality on the 34? (I hope so)

I hope Enviros are not becoming common on the 34 as the only ones at Walsall are currently double deck (but probably not for long if they are allocated to 34 running boards!)

I gather there is a low bridge on the 34?

Not on the 34, but they interwork with 38s which go along Bridgeman Street

Looking on Google Maps, the bridge on Bridgeman Street is 10'6". Are there any single deckers which won't fit under there? Omnilinks?

Quote from: DOC37V on August 24, 2013, 11:37:55 PM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 23, 2013, 07:40:44 PM

Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2013, 07:35:49 PM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 23, 2013, 07:34:07 PM

Quote from: Tony on August 23, 2013, 07:28:51 PM

Quote from: domino.99 on August 23, 2013, 07:26:05 PM
are omnilinks and enviros starting to become a bit of a normality on the 34? (I hope so)

I hope Enviros are not becoming common on the 34 as the only ones at Walsall are currently double deck (but probably not for long if they are allocated to 34 running boards!)

I gather there is a low bridge on the 34?

Not on the 34, but they interwork with 38s which go along Bridgeman Street

Looking on Google Maps, the bridge on Bridgeman Street is 10'6". Are there any single deckers which won't fit under there? Omnilinks?

Breath in !!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/31762625@N06/5416331969/in/photolist-9fC7MX-ashNrE

Quote from: dannygill on August 25, 2013, 08:55:31 PM
was really nice today (earlyish morning) to have only 1 51 branded vehicle out! I managed to get a leather into work!!

Quote from: lynx1103 on August 25, 2013, 10:01:28 PM

Quote from: dannygill on August 25, 2013, 08:55:31 PM
was really nice today (earlyish morning) to have only 1 51 branded vehicle out! I managed to get a leather into work!!

Around 1994/1995 mainley ex-Central coach ways.
All nationals was replaced by B6/B10 by late 1997.

Quote from: dannygill on August 26, 2013, 09:44:01 PM
my eyes nearly popped out thing morning on 51. 51/01 06:30 getting into Birmingham a rammed enviro with a large standing load!! that bus must of made a small fortune for NX, really busy!!

Quote from: Kevin on August 26, 2013, 10:53:56 PM

Quote from: dannygill on August 26, 2013, 09:44:01 PM
my eyes nearly popped out thing morning on 51. 51/01 06:30 getting into Birmingham a rammed enviro with a large standing load!! that bus must of made a small fortune for NX, really busy!!

Sunday service on the bus when the train isn't running.... Was inevitable really

Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 27, 2013, 05:50:46 PM
Bloody Sundays are a pain. They're busier then Saturdays due to reduced service and reduced times. I used to hate them. The times of a Sunday ain't that much different now then the 1980's lol...

Quote from: Stu on August 27, 2013, 07:00:22 PM

Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 27, 2013, 05:50:46 PM
Bloody Sundays are a pain. They're busier then Saturdays due to reduced service and reduced times. I used to hate them. The times of a Sunday ain't that much different now then the 1980's lol...

It's much better for me where I live now compared to when I lived near Oldbury!

On Sundays, the 120 (which stopped outside my parents house) used to be hourly, same for the 128 which was a short walk away, while the nearby 448 was half-hourly.

Now living in Acocks Green village, I'm blessed with the 37 which is every 10 minutes, the 11 is every 15 minutes, and the 1 is every 20 minutes, while the 31A is every 30 minutes.

Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 27, 2013, 07:06:26 PM

Quote from: Stu on August 27, 2013, 07:00:22 PM

Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 27, 2013, 05:50:46 PM
Bloody Sundays are a pain. They're busier then Saturdays due to reduced service and reduced times. I used to hate them. The times of a Sunday ain't that much different now then the 1980's lol...

It's much better for me where I live now compared to when I lived near Oldbury!

On Sundays, the 120 (which stopped outside my parents house) used to be hourly, same for the 128 which was a short walk away, while the nearby 448 was half-hourly.

Now living in Acocks Green village, I'm blessed with the 37 which is every 10 minutes, the 11 is every 15 minutes, and the 1 is every 20 minutes, while the 31A is every 30 minutes.

Lucky you!

Mon-Sat, I have past my house a 7/8 minute service (9), a 15 minute service (002) and a 30 minute service (241). On a Sunday, the 9 is every 20 minutes, the 241 every 60 minutes and the 002 doesn't run >:(

Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 27, 2013, 07:22:38 PM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on August 27, 2013, 07:06:26 PM

Quote from: Stu on August 27, 2013, 07:00:22 PM

Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 27, 2013, 05:50:46 PM
Bloody Sundays are a pain. They're busier then Saturdays due to reduced service and reduced times. I used to hate them. The times of a Sunday ain't that much different now then the 1980's lol...

It's much better for me where I live now compared to when I lived near Oldbury!

On Sundays, the 120 (which stopped outside my parents house) used to be hourly, same for the 128 which was a short walk away, while the nearby 448 was half-hourly.

Now living in Acocks Green village, I'm blessed with the 37 which is every 10 minutes, the 11 is every 15 minutes, and the 1 is every 20 minutes, while the 31A is every 30 minutes.

Lucky you!

Mon-Sat, I have past my house a 7/8 minute service (9), a 15 minute service (002) and a 30 minute service (241). On a Sunday, the 9 is every 20 minutes, the 241 every 60 minutes and the 002 doesn't run >:(

Still more frequent than I have, my bus is every 60mins (934)

Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 28, 2013, 07:41:16 PM
I was looking through the 116 - 422 fleetlist and noticed 244 (Walsall B6LE) is still under WA, is that still the case or has it been withdrawn?

Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 28, 2013, 07:53:20 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 28, 2013, 07:41:16 PM
I was looking through the 116 - 422 fleetlist and noticed 244 (Walsall B6LE) is still under WA, is that still the case or has it been withdrawn?

Been at WA for a while now Nathan, although according to Tony it is currently out of service with low power.

Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 28, 2013, 08:09:49 PM

Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 28, 2013, 07:53:20 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 28, 2013, 07:41:16 PM
I was looking through the 116 - 422 fleetlist and noticed 244 (Walsall B6LE) is still under WA, is that still the case or has it been withdrawn?

Been at WA for a while now Nathan, although according to Tony it is currently out of service with low power.

Will it re-enter service ?

Quote from: lynx1103 on August 28, 2013, 08:28:36 PM
244 547 582 669 are all off the road

Only 673/677 in service mainley to be seen in 335/336

Quote from: lynx1103 on August 28, 2013, 08:28:36 PM
244 547 582 669 are all off the road

Only 673/677 in service mainley to be seen in 335/336

Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 28, 2013, 08:33:54 PM

Quote from: lynx1103 on August 28, 2013, 08:28:36 PM
244 547 582 669 are all off the road

Only 673/677 in service mainley to be seen in 335/336

Hopefully they re-enter service ? but carnt see it myself

Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 28, 2013, 08:39:10 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 28, 2013, 08:33:54 PM

Quote from: lynx1103 on August 28, 2013, 08:28:36 PM
244 547 582 669 are all off the road

Only 673/677 in service mainley to be seen in 335/336

Hopefully they re-enter service ? but carnt see it myself

582 has only been at WA for a couple of weeks, wouldn't have thought it would have been transferred from PE if it was going to be withdrawn.

Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 28, 2013, 08:44:39 PM

Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 28, 2013, 08:39:10 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 28, 2013, 08:33:54 PM

Quote from: lynx1103 on August 28, 2013, 08:28:36 PM
244 547 582 669 are all off the road

Only 673/677 in service mainley to be seen in 335/336

Hopefully they re-enter service ? but carnt see it myself

582 has only been at WA for a couple of weeks, wouldn't have thought it would have been transferred from PE if it was going to be withdrawn.

How does a transfer work other than the obvious it comes from a garage I.E Pensett - Walsall, but what else does it in involve

Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 28, 2013, 08:49:14 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 28, 2013, 08:44:39 PM

Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 28, 2013, 08:39:10 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 28, 2013, 08:33:54 PM

Quote from: lynx1103 on August 28, 2013, 08:28:36 PM
244 547 582 669 are all off the road

Only 673/677 in service mainley to be seen in 335/336

Hopefully they re-enter service ? but carnt see it myself

582 has only been at WA for a couple of weeks, wouldn't have thought it would have been transferred from PE if it was going to be withdrawn.

How does a transfer work other than the obvious it comes from a garage I.E Pensett - Walsall, but what else does it in involve

Well it will need a WA ticket machine and new destination blinds. Presume the garage mechanics will look it over to ensure its ok for service, then it should be good to go.

Quote from: Westy on August 29, 2013, 07:21:42 AM
Any idea what has happened to the second x51 from Cannock this morning?

It's due at 659am at our stop & has not turned up yet!

Result, one angry sister who is threatening to email NX later!

Update : 4685 turned up at 727am but is that the second or third journey?

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 29, 2013, 09:11:25 AM
Nathan, He is talking about the timing point in Bloxwich not Cannock

Quote from: Westy on August 29, 2013, 07:21:42 AM
Any idea what has happened to the second x51 from Cannock this morning?

It's due at 659am at our stop & has not turned up yet!

Result, one angry sister who is threatening to email NX later!

Update : 4685 turned up at 727am but is that the second or third journey?

Quote from: Kevin on August 29, 2013, 11:52:46 AM

Quote from: Westy on August 29, 2013, 07:21:42 AM
Any idea what has happened to the second x51 from Cannock this morning?

It's due at 659am at our stop & has not turned up yet!

Result, one angry sister who is threatening to email NX later!

Update : 4685 turned up at 727am but is that the second or third journey?

Didn't turn up at Scott Arms either, and didn't see it coming from town later to Scott Arms only. Possibility that the running board was picked up later cause then it goes back to the garage for a bit before going out onto the 41

Quote from: Kevin on August 30, 2013, 07:35:34 AM
Don't know if it's making up for yesterday but 2 x51s turned up at the same time this morning. First one got to Tower Hill with a grand total of three passengers, and if I'm not mistaken Tony was driving it? Got into town and went out of service, when the other one became the Scott Arms only journey

Quote from: Kevin on August 30, 2013, 07:35:34 AM
Don't know if it's making up for yesterday but 2 x51s turned up at the same time this morning. First one got to Tower Hill with a grand total of three passengers, and if I'm not mistaken Tony was driving it? Got into town and went out of service, when the other one became the Scott Arms only journey

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 30, 2013, 07:33:40 PM
Saw 582 in service at WA on the 335 this afternoon

Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 30, 2013, 07:39:08 PM

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 30, 2013, 07:33:40 PM
Saw 582 in service at WA on the 335 this afternoon

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! >:( :'( :'( the one day I dont visit WA I miss it  >:(

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 30, 2013, 08:02:07 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 30, 2013, 07:39:08 PM

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 30, 2013, 07:33:40 PM
Saw 582 in service at WA on the 335 this afternoon

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! >:( :'( :'( the one day I dont visit WA I miss it  >:(

You could try another day eh? :)

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 30, 2013, 08:07:21 PM
Would have been around 17:55-18:05 in Walsall Bus Station i saw 582.

Quote from: Nathan4775 on August 30, 2013, 08:13:12 PM

Quote from: Trident 4609 on August 30, 2013, 08:07:21 PM
Would have been around 17:55-18:05 in Walsall Bus Station i saw 582.

I was in Birmingham then, seeing if I could get a better picture of 4734 (: or 4880 - 4884 branded, wish i'd gone to WA now  :-[

Quote from: notepanel on September 01, 2013, 11:59:08 AM
Some changes to running boards from tomorrow due to service changes, may potentially see some unusual workings.

Examples are:
1) X56-01, Dead to Boney Hay, 0645 X56 to Birmingham, 0806 997E to Pheasey, Dead to Depot

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 01, 2013, 01:19:42 PM

Quote from: notepanel on September 01, 2013, 11:59:08 AM
Some changes to running boards from tomorrow due to service changes, may potentially see some unusual workings.

Examples are:
1) X56-01, Dead to Boney Hay, 0645 X56 to Birmingham, 0806 997E to Pheasey, Dead to Depot

Reading the timetable ive got for the 997, it indicates that the 08:06 journey is SCH (School term time only), so what will happen when there is a holiday and that journey doesn't operate ?

Quote from: Tony on September 01, 2013, 04:01:39 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 01, 2013, 01:19:42 PM

Quote from: notepanel on September 01, 2013, 11:59:08 AM
Some changes to running boards from tomorrow due to service changes, may potentially see some unusual workings.

Examples are:
1) X56-01, Dead to Boney Hay, 0645 X56 to Birmingham, 0806 997E to Pheasey, Dead to Depot

Reading the timetable ive got for the 997, it indicates that the 08:06 journey is SCH (School term time only), so what will happen when there is a holiday and that journey doesn't operate ?

The bus will run dead back to Walsall

The 08:06 997 is there solely to relieve overcrowding caused by the Great Barr School children on the following 997 journey so is not needed at other times

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 01, 2013, 06:16:56 PM

Quote from: Tony on September 01, 2013, 04:01:39 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 01, 2013, 01:19:42 PM

Quote from: notepanel on September 01, 2013, 11:59:08 AM
Some changes to running boards from tomorrow due to service changes, may potentially see some unusual workings.

Examples are:
1) X56-01, Dead to Boney Hay, 0645 X56 to Birmingham, 0806 997E to Pheasey, Dead to Depot

Reading the timetable ive got for the 997, it indicates that the 08:06 journey is SCH (School term time only), so what will happen when there is a holiday and that journey doesn't operate ?

The bus will run dead back to Walsall

The 08:06 997 is there solely to relieve overcrowding caused by the Great Barr School children on the following 997 journey so is not needed at other times

is that the journey that used to Start at Perry Barr an run to Asda ?

Quote from: Tony on September 01, 2013, 06:20:39 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 01, 2013, 06:16:56 PM

Quote from: Tony on September 01, 2013, 04:01:39 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 01, 2013, 01:19:42 PM

Quote from: notepanel on September 01, 2013, 11:59:08 AM
Some changes to running boards from tomorrow due to service changes, may potentially see some unusual workings.

Examples are:
1) X56-01, Dead to Boney Hay, 0645 X56 to Birmingham, 0806 997E to Pheasey, Dead to Depot

Reading the timetable ive got for the 997, it indicates that the 08:06 journey is SCH (School term time only), so what will happen when there is a holiday and that journey doesn't operate ?

The bus will run dead back to Walsall

The 08:06 997 is there solely to relieve overcrowding caused by the Great Barr School children on the following 997 journey so is not needed at other times

is that the journey that used to Start at Perry Barr an run to Asda ?

yes

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 01, 2013, 06:40:25 PM
Just a quick a question for anyone really;

are the following driver trainers used;

9???
9057
9697
9951
9955
9959

Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on September 01, 2013, 09:53:49 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 01, 2013, 06:40:25 PM
Just a quick a question for anyone really;

are the following driver trainers used;

9???
9057
9697
9951
9955
9959

As far as I'm aware the only 2 Metro's that still see occasional use are 9951 and 9959, 9955 hasn't been used for years, but is still at Miller Street and had a little move a while back.

No idea on the Transits, but would imagine there still about, as far as trainers are concerned 9023 is the one I see most often knocking about, maybe up to 2-3 times a week

Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 03, 2013, 10:43:30 AM
Rode 1786 on the X51 yesterday afternoon, left city centre just after 5pm. Nice thrashy driver, fast bus and no more than about 5 other passengers throughout the whole journey! Great ride.

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 03, 2013, 03:38:09 PM
is 4733 in refurb still or off the road, as I haven't seen it since it came over to WA? and just need 4764 & 4733 to complete my WA enviro set  ;D so proud  ;D ;D

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 03, 2013, 10:30:55 AM
anyone seen 4764 today, due to it being unbranded from the 997 heaven knows were it is  ::)

Quote from: John on September 03, 2013, 04:21:31 PM

Quote from: Nathan4http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/Smileys/default/angry.gif775 on September 03, 2013, 10:30:55 AM
anyone seen 4764 today, due to it being unbranded from the 997 heaven knows were it is  ::)

More than likely on the X51, 997 or 934/5/6

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 03, 2013, 10:30:55 AM
anyone seen 4764 today, due to it being unbranded from the 997 heaven knows were it is  ::)

Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 03, 2013, 06:20:37 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 03, 2013, 10:30:55 AM
anyone seen 4764 today, due to it being unbranded from the 997 heaven knows were it is  ::)

4764 has never been branded for the 997 Nathan. 4770-76 were the ones originally 997 branded.

4764 was on the 51 yesterday

Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on September 01, 2013, 09:53:49 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 01, 2013, 06:40:25 PM
Just a quick a question for anyone really;

are the following driver trainers used;

9???
9057
9697
9951
9955
9959

As far as I'm aware the only 2 Metro's that still see occasional use are 9951 and 9959, 9955 hasn't been used for years, but is still at Miller Street and had a little move a while back.

No idea on the Transits, but would imagine there still about, as far as trainers are concerned 9023 is the one I see most often knocking about, maybe up to 2-3 times a week

Quote from: Kevin on September 04, 2013, 07:56:49 AM
Currently on 1904 on the X56. Not a massive amount of people on board but doesn't seem any worse than when I used to see the Arriva minibus pull up in Birmingham. Not going to lie I felt a bit stupid deliberately letting an X51 go past just to catch this but hell I'll still be at work on time so all is good. Does mean that there will be an Omnilink on the 997E extra journey, which does strike me as a tad worrying because I know what the Great Barr school buses can be like.

Very tempted to wake up early one morning and get up to Brownhills just to catch it

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 03, 2013, 05:45:58 PM

Quote from: John on September 03, 2013, 04:21:31 PM

Quote from: Nathan4http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/Smileys/default/angry.gif775 on September 03, 2013, 10:30:55 AM
anyone seen 4764 today, due to it being unbranded from the 997 heaven knows were it is  ::)

More than likely on the X51, 997 or 934/5/6

I will allow 4764 to come to me in its own time ;) ;D ;D hopefully thats soon

Quote from: John on September 05, 2013, 08:56:50 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 03, 2013, 05:45:58 PM

Quote from: John on September 03, 2013, 04:21:31 PM

Quote from: Nathan4http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/Smileys/default/angry.gif775 on September 03, 2013, 10:30:55 AM
anyone seen 4764 today, due to it being unbranded from the 997 heaven knows were it is  ::)

More than likely on the X51, 997 or 934/5/6

I will allow 4764 to come to me in its own time ;) ;D ;D hopefully thats soon

Nathan, 4764 was on the 934/5/6s today, if you have not found it yet (I know it more than likely too late now to tell you)

Quote from: Kevin on September 04, 2013, 07:56:49 AM
Very tempted to wake up early one morning and get up to Brownhills just to catch it

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 10, 2013, 05:06:57 PM
4136 has still got 'route51' map inside the bus  :D

Quote from: lynx1103 on September 10, 2013, 05:45:06 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 10, 2013, 05:06:57 PM
4136 has still got 'route51' map inside the bus  :D

Yes and 4686 still has preiemere 997 map on staircase
Well the last time I looked.

Quote from: Kevin on September 10, 2013, 07:07:48 PM
Caught the 18:25 X56 short journey from the city centre just now, there was a grand total of 5 passengers on board, with about 20 people asking at Bull St "do you go to Kingstanding?"

I don't see much of a future for this route

Quote from: Kevin on September 10, 2013, 07:07:48 PM
Caught the 18:25 X56 short journey from the city centre just now, there was a grand total of 5 passengers on board, with about 20 people asking at Bull St "do you go to Kingstanding?"

I don't see much of a future for this route

Quote from: notepanel on September 10, 2013, 09:21:41 PM

Quote from: Kevin on September 10, 2013, 07:07:48 PM
Caught the 18:25 X56 short journey from the city centre just now, there was a grand total of 5 passengers on board, with about 20 people asking at Bull St "do you go to Kingstanding?"

I don't see much of a future for this route

I wonder how many people stood waiting for an X51 didn't realise they could possibly have used this X56. I know it's not always practical, but you'd think they may have had an inspector with each departure for the first couple of weeks, shouting out to all passengers where the bus was serving.

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 11, 2013, 07:59:53 PM
anyone know what trips running board 934/20 does, got a glimpse of it in the cab and it looks like 2 trips ? or 3

Quote from: notepanel on September 11, 2013, 08:11:36 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 11, 2013, 07:59:53 PM
anyone know what trips running board 934/20 does, got a glimpse of it in the cab and it looks like 2 trips ? or 3

It does the PM 791 school service, then dead into Birmingham to operate the 1633 935 service, it then goes back into Birmingham as the 1755 934 and finally operates the 1850 935 into Walsall before returning dead to depot.

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 15, 2013, 02:46:28 PM
last one now  ::)

changes that happended at WA regards to service number changes , routes withdrawn and so forth, did have a list but seem to have lost it  ::) >:(

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 15, 2013, 02:46:28 PM
last one now  ::)

changes that happended at WA regards to service number changes , routes withdrawn and so forth, did have a list but seem to have lost it  ::) >:(

Quote from: Westy on September 17, 2013, 05:45:34 AM
I tried uploading that but the message said it was too big.

That's just a link isn't it?

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 16, 2013, 11:19:40 PM
mainly just ;
394/395/395A/395B what happended with that

Thanks much appreciated mate

Quote from: Sh4166 on September 17, 2013, 12:16:50 AM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 15, 2013, 02:46:28 PM
last one now  ::)

changes that happended at WA regards to service number changes , routes withdrawn and so forth, did have a list but seem to have lost it  ::) >:(

Does this help?  ;):
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/web/FILES/North_Walsall_DL.pdf

Quote from: lynx1103 on September 20, 2013, 01:49:57 PM
244 back in service on 336 today

673 on 70A 2 days in a row

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 20, 2013, 04:18:52 PM

Quote from: lynx1103 on September 20, 2013, 01:49:57 PM
244 back in service on 336 today

673 on 70A 2 days in a row

Hopefully will be out Monday (: too

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 20, 2013, 04:18:52 PM

Quote from: lynx1103 on September 20, 2013, 01:49:57 PM
244 back in service on 336 today

673 on 70A 2 days in a row

Hopefully will be out Monday (: too

Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 20, 2013, 06:02:00 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 20, 2013, 04:18:52 PM

Quote from: lynx1103 on September 20, 2013, 01:49:57 PM
244 back in service on 336 today

673 on 70A 2 days in a row

Hopefully will be out Monday (: too

Only out in normal service on Saturdays incase you never read Lynx1103's comment?

Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 20, 2013, 06:07:02 PM
No i mean did you read his comment in general? I have seen it out only once in Mon-Fri service but that was some time back. Very rare spot it was :)

Quote from: lynx1103 on September 24, 2013, 08:28:14 PM
4128 seems to be coming out more but

4776 is hidi g away on college duties only to be seen on
Sat/Sunday

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 25, 2013, 12:48:45 PM
Any reason why 4764 finished at the circle in the daytime before going back to WA on the 934 :/ , thought it had broke down but it it hadn't

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 25, 2013, 09:24:42 PM
This was around 12 lynx1103 ?

Just had a fantastic ride on the 2nd best bus at WA alongside 4775, newly refurb 4734 :)

Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 26, 2013, 11:24:06 PM
John 4735 is still in the Toothpaste livery , last I seen it was on the 997 Yesterday I think it was, not seen 4736 though

Quote from: Tony on September 28, 2013, 10:17:28 AM
Former Flights FJ11MLE/F/K/N/O are all parked in Walsall garage.
547 is back from accident repairs and 581 has transferred here from Wolverhampton

Quote from: Trident 4609 on September 28, 2013, 10:24:11 AM

Quote from: Tony on September 28, 2013, 10:17:28 AM
Former Flights FJ11MLE/F/K/N/O are all parked in Walsall garage.
547 is back from accident repairs and 581 has transferred here from Wolverhampton

Wonder why 581 has transferred? Only saw it the other day on the 59

Quote from: Tony on September 28, 2013, 10:17:28 AM
Former Flights FJ11MLE/F/K/N/O are all parked in Walsall garage.

Quote from: Tony on September 28, 2013, 10:17:28 AM
Former Flights FJ11MLE/F/K/N/O are all parked in Walsall garage.
547 is back from accident repairs and 581 has transferred here from Wolverhampton

Quote from: Tony on October 01, 2013, 09:30:27 PM
Lots of Scanias!

A photo I haven't had on the internet since the collapse of fotopic!
http://wmbusphotos.com/zstockphotos/WalsallScanias.html

Quote from: Westy on October 01, 2013, 09:01:41 PM
Is that the one with the fleet name over the driver's window/front door?

Must admit I prefer the fleet name in the centre personally.

Quote from: Tony on September 28, 2013, 10:17:28 AM
Former Flights FJ11MLE/F/K/N/O are all parked in Walsall garage.
547 is back from accident repairs and 581 has transferred here from Wolverhampton

Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 05, 2013, 12:17:24 AM
Anyone know the PVR for the X51/934/935A on sundays all together

And evening 997 PVR is 3 isn't it ?

Quote from: Sh4166 on October 05, 2013, 12:29:34 AM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 05, 2013, 12:17:24 AM
Anyone know the PVR for the X51/934/935A on sundays all together

And evening 997 PVR is 3 isn't it ?

5, isn't it? X51 = 3 buses, 934E = 1 bus, 935A = 2 buses (don't quote me on that)
I think the evening and Sunday PVR of the 997 is 3. The full 997 requires 2 and the E requires 1

Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 06, 2013, 05:53:26 PM
Anyone know why there's two 997's running together on a sunday ??

Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 06, 2013, 05:53:26 PM
Anyone know why there's two 997's running together on a sunday ??

Quote from: Kevin on October 06, 2013, 07:13:26 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 06, 2013, 05:53:26 PM
Anyone know why there's two 997's running together on a sunday ??

When? Because I saw two 997 branded buses come from Pheasey onto beacon road together about half 2 this afternoon, but the one went up towards Barr beacon (presumably NIS back to garage) instead

Quote from: Ashley 4566 on October 07, 2013, 07:05:51 PM
Is 4737 getting the same treatment do you know?

Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 07, 2013, 07:10:41 PM

Quote from: Ashley 4566 on October 07, 2013, 07:05:51 PM
Is 4737 getting the same treatment do you know?

Why would 4737 be getting the same treatment, it's already in NX livery?

Quote from: John on October 07, 2013, 07:31:46 PM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 07, 2013, 07:10:41 PM

Quote from: Ashley 4566 on October 07, 2013, 07:05:51 PM
Is 4737 getting the same treatment do you know?

Why would 4737 be getting the same treatment, it's already in NX livery?

So was 1896, and that is 18 months newer than 4737.

Quote from: Ashley 4566 on October 07, 2013, 11:10:30 PM
But the reds faded and the trim has had no or little attention since it was new, my point is it wouldnt be a matching set thats all

Quote from: Ashley 4566 on October 08, 2013, 09:45:01 AM
I was also thinking of 4487, but whilst on the subject, another odd one out is 4695 as that didnt get new trim on repaint

Quote from: Westy on October 14, 2013, 06:39:10 PM
Sister has just got home from Birmingham after first missing one Walsall bound bus.

The next one she got on has apparently caught fire so another collected them.

She's not in a good mood again!

Quote from: Ashley 4566 on October 14, 2013, 07:36:35 PM
1752 1754 1755 (unsure of) but i know 1770 1781 1782 - got new trim on their repaint/refurb (now old moquette)

1751 1753 1756 - 1765 1775 1785 1786 - grey dot trim on repaint/refurb

Quote from: Tony on October 14, 2013, 09:58:19 PM
1642 is still dumped outside the paintshop, looking exactly the same as it did last time I mentioned it was there

Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 14, 2013, 10:04:25 PM

Quote from: Tony on October 14, 2013, 09:58:19 PM
1642 is still dumped outside the paintshop, looking exactly the same as it did last time I mentioned it was there

Is it due to be repainted Tony as Merc repaints seemed to stop a while ago?

Is 4135 inside the paint shop?

Quote from: Ashley 4566 on October 14, 2013, 07:36:35 PM
1752 1754 1755 (unsure of) but i know 1770 1781 1782 - got new trim on their repaint/refurb (now old moquette)

1751 1753 1756 - 1765 1775 1785 1786 - grey dot trim on repaint/refurb

Quote from: N94 on October 15, 2013, 11:27:49 PM
Anyone noticed that the logos on the side of 4681 don't quite line up with each other?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/101550299@N05/10299379794/

Quote from: Stu on October 16, 2013, 07:04:07 AM

Quote from: N94 on October 15, 2013, 11:27:49 PM
Anyone noticed that the logos on the side of 4681 don't quite line up with each other?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/101550299@N05/10299379794/

It's clearly had several lower panels replaced, one is from the nearside of another bus, as the connection bars go in the opposite direction.  ;)

Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on October 16, 2013, 09:09:25 AM

Quote from: Stu on October 16, 2013, 07:04:07 AM

Quote from: N94 on October 15, 2013, 11:27:49 PM
Anyone noticed that the logos on the side of 4681 don't quite line up with each other?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/101550299@N05/10299379794/

It's clearly had several lower panels replaced, one is from the nearside of another bus, as the connection bars go in the opposite direction.  ;)

That's quite a cool effect, I like it! These buses must be due a repaint fairly soon as quite a few are looking fairly tatty, but the interiors seem to have lasted really well though

Quote from: Dylan4579 on October 16, 2013, 05:42:57 PM
I don't know about WA gemini's, but WB's interiors are a state, with the seats half refurbed

Quote from: Dylan4579 on October 16, 2013, 05:42:57 PM

Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on October 16, 2013, 09:09:25 AM

Quote from: Stu on October 16, 2013, 07:04:07 AM

Quote from: N94 on October 15, 2013, 11:27:49 PM
Anyone noticed that the logos on the side of 4681 don't quite line up with each other?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/101550299@N05/10299379794/

It's clearly had several lower panels replaced, one is from the nearside of another bus, as the connection bars go in the opposite direction.  ;)

That's quite a cool effect, I like it! These buses must be due a repaint fairly soon as quite a few are looking fairly tatty, but the interiors seem to have lasted really well though

I don't know about WA gemini's, but WB's interiors are a state, with the seats half refurbed

Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 16, 2013, 07:16:05 PM
My favourite Geminis are the BJ03's, they sound best in my opinion.

Worst are the Walsall ones, slow and horrible

Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2013, 07:40:30 PM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 16, 2013, 07:16:05 PM
My favourite Geminis are the BJ03's, they sound best in my opinion.

Worst are the Walsall ones, slow and horrible

Slow & horrible? They are identical mechanically to all of AGs. The only difference is the seats and trim! They are certainly not slow, if you want them to they will beat Tridents and Enviros off from a standing start with the same load on

Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 16, 2013, 07:42:34 PM

Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2013, 07:40:30 PM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 16, 2013, 07:16:05 PM
My favourite Geminis are the BJ03's, they sound best in my opinion.

Worst are the Walsall ones, slow and horrible

Slow & horrible? They are identical mechanically to all of AGs. The only difference is the seats and trim! They are certainly not slow, if you want them to they will beat Tridents and Enviros off from a standing start with the same load on

Tony, Scania Omnilinks also beat Tridents off the mark. And B7RLE's, and B6's.... (and that's the truth.)

Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2013, 07:40:30 PM

Slow & horrible? They are identical mechanically to all of AGs. The only difference is the seats and trim! They are certainly not slow, if you want them to they will beat Tridents and Enviros off from a standing start with the same load on

Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 16, 2013, 07:55:01 PM

Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2013, 07:40:30 PM

Slow & horrible? They are identical mechanically to all of AGs. The only difference is the seats and trim! They are certainly not slow, if you want them to they will beat Tridents and Enviros off from a standing start with the same load on

No, as I have explained before, certain buses can be worse than others which you'd expect to be identical on paper. The Walsall ones are horribly rough sounding, most of AG's aren't. They are also slow pulling off (even for B7s), a ZF Trident will leave any of those sheds standing off the mark, let alone a Euro 4

Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2013, 07:52:51 PM

Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 16, 2013, 07:42:34 PM

Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2013, 07:40:30 PM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 16, 2013, 07:16:05 PM
My favourite Geminis are the BJ03's, they sound best in my opinion.

Worst are the Walsall ones, slow and horrible

Slow & horrible? They are identical mechanically to all of AGs. The only difference is the seats and trim! They are certainly not slow, if you want them to they will beat Tridents and Enviros off from a standing start with the same load on

Tony, Scania Omnilinks also beat Tridents off the mark. And B7RLE's, and B6's.... (and that's the truth.)

I know. There is actually very little difference between all vehicle types, there is probably more difference between different vehicles of the same batches where either the engine or gearbox is 'worn' on some vehicles. But some people on here seem to think Tridents are fast.

I have just done the same duty on the 966 as yesterday, four buses I had were 4644, 4678 yesterday. 4667; 4646 today. 4644 was the worst with a well ropy gearbox, but all 4 had the power there if you wanted to use it.

I think what it is with tridents is they rev like mad if the driver floors it and they sound 'fast' whereas a good B7 will just go through the gears properly and actually be going much faster

Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2013, 08:07:16 PM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 16, 2013, 07:55:01 PM

Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2013, 07:40:30 PM

Slow & horrible? They are identical mechanically to all of AGs. The only difference is the seats and trim! They are certainly not slow, if you want them to they will beat Tridents and Enviros off from a standing start with the same load on

No, as I have explained before, certain buses can be worse than others which you'd expect to be identical on paper. The Walsall ones are horribly rough sounding, most of AG's aren't. They are also slow pulling off (even for B7s), a ZF Trident will leave any of those sheds standing off the mark, let alone a Euro 4

Have you travelled on all 7 recently to know they are all sheds. I am sorry Matt, but the couple that escaped onto V Festival this year were certainly not slow. It was one of those that a driver managed the fastest round trip with.

ZF gearboxes are sh*t. I hate them compared to Voith. They are the only bad thing about Geminis. They never change down smoothly without slight jerk to throw standing passengers. They have a habit of still trying to pull forward when you are down to 1-2 mph so you have to leave your foot on the brake slightly harder than with a voith so you don't get the perfect feathered stop without the slight rock back and generally seem more jumpy

Quote from: Rob4367 on October 16, 2013, 08:13:44 PM
Does anybody know which journey's the B7RLE operates on the 934/935/936 in the week? because I'm thinking of recording a vid of it :) on one of its journey's obviously ;)

Quote from: trident4370 on October 16, 2013, 08:19:07 PM

Quote from: Rob4367 on October 16, 2013, 08:13:44 PM
Does anybody know which journey's the B7RLE operates on the 934/935/936 in the week? because I'm thinking of recording a vid of it :) on one of its journey's obviously ;)

I can't promise it was the correct working but the last time I photoed a B7RLE 934 it was the 11:18 departure from town, may not necessarily be the right board as it could have just been a second B7RLE on the route though but worth a go I guess.

Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 16, 2013, 08:13:19 PM


However, did you ever have the pleasure of the Scania N113's? From my recollection they were fast on the scale of motorcars, let alone buses. Brakes were horrendously screechy but I liked those machines none the less.

Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2013, 08:33:34 PM

Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 16, 2013, 08:13:19 PM


However, did you ever have the pleasure of the Scania N113's? From my recollection they were fast on the scale of motorcars, let alone buses. Brakes were horrendously screechy but I liked those machines none the less.

Yes they were really fast when new but like all Scanias they aged quickly. The last couple I drove were no faster than a Metrobus.

Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2013, 08:07:16 PM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 16, 2013, 07:55:01 PM

Quote from: Tony on October 16, 2013, 07:40:30 PM

Slow & horrible? They are identical mechanically to all of AGs. The only difference is the seats and trim! They are certainly not slow, if you want them to they will beat Tridents and Enviros off from a standing start with the same load on

No, as I have explained before, certain buses can be worse than others which you'd expect to be identical on paper. The Walsall ones are horribly rough sounding, most of AG's aren't. They are also slow pulling off (even for B7s), a ZF Trident will leave any of those sheds standing off the mark, let alone a Euro 4

Have you travelled on all 7 recently to know they are all sheds. I am sorry Matt, but the couple that escaped onto V Festival this year were certainly not slow. It was one of those that a driver managed the fastest round trip with.

ZF gearboxes are sh*t. I hate them compared to Voith. They are the only bad thing about Geminis. They never change down smoothly without slight jerk to throw standing passengers. They have a habit of still trying to pull forward when you are down to 1-2 mph so you have to leave your foot on the brake slightly harder than with a voith so you don't get the perfect feathered stop without the slight rock back and generally seem more jumpy

Quote from: trident4370 on October 16, 2013, 08:19:07 PM

Quote from: Rob4367 on October 16, 2013, 08:13:44 PM
Does anybody know which journey's the B7RLE operates on the 934/935/936 in the week? because I'm thinking of recording a vid of it :) on one of its journey's obviously ;)

I can't promise it was the correct working but the last time I photoed a B7RLE 934 it was the 11:18 departure from town, may not necessarily be the right board as it could have just been a second B7RLE on the route though but worth a go I guess.

Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 16, 2013, 10:37:12 PM

I don't bother to remember the numbers, but whenever I catch a WA Gemini, they sound horribly rough, you can hardly hear the engine. People most likely think they're faster because of the speed of the routes they are used on X51, 997 etc; but in reality any B7TL Gemini would feel the same on those routes.

Quote from: Tony on October 17, 2013, 07:25:40 PM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 16, 2013, 10:37:12 PM

I don't bother to remember the numbers, but whenever I catch a WA Gemini, they sound horribly rough, you can hardly hear the engine. People most likely think they're faster because of the speed of the routes they are used on X51, 997 etc; but in reality any B7TL Gemini would feel the same on those routes.

But in the same vein, in the same location, I've been on a trident X51 that's pulled away quicker than an enviro 51 and Gemini 907 before... All down to the driver?

They sound horribly rough....... You can hardly hear the engine

Hardly hearing the engine sounds like they are in reasonable mechanical condition to me.

As for speed, it used to be quite common to be driving a trident on the 51 in the inside lane when an X51 would pull alongside in the middle lane to go under 6 ways underpass at Newtown baths. You would stand no chance of beating the Gemini with a trident off the lights

Quote from: Kevin on October 17, 2013, 08:10:32 PM

Quote from: Tony on October 17, 2013, 07:25:40 PM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 16, 2013, 10:37:12 PM

I don't bother to remember the numbers, but whenever I catch a WA Gemini, they sound horribly rough, you can hardly hear the engine. People most likely think they're faster because of the speed of the routes they are used on X51, 997 etc; but in reality any B7TL Gemini would feel the same on those routes.

But in the same vein, in the same location, I've been on a trident X51 that's pulled away quicker than an enviro 51 and Gemini 907 before... All down to the driver?

They sound horribly rough....... You can hardly hear the engine

Hardly hearing the engine sounds like they are in reasonable mechanical condition to me.

As for speed, it used to be quite common to be driving a trident on the 51 in the inside lane when an X51 would pull alongside in the middle lane to go under 6 ways underpass at Newtown baths. You would stand no chance of beating the Gemini with a trident off the lights

Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 17, 2013, 08:22:44 PM

Quote from: Kevin on October 17, 2013, 08:10:32 PM

Quote from: Tony on October 17, 2013, 07:25:40 PM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 16, 2013, 10:37:12 PM

I don't bother to remember the numbers, but whenever I catch a WA Gemini, they sound horribly rough, you can hardly hear the engine. People most likely think they're faster because of the speed of the routes they are used on X51, 997 etc; but in reality any B7TL Gemini would feel the same on those routes.

But in the same vein, in the same location, I've been on a trident X51 that's pulled away quicker than an enviro 51 and Gemini 907 before... All down to the driver?

They sound horribly rough....... You can hardly hear the engine

Hardly hearing the engine sounds like they are in reasonable mechanical condition to me.

As for speed, it used to be quite common to be driving a trident on the 51 in the inside lane when an X51 would pull alongside in the middle lane to go under 6 ways underpass at Newtown baths. You would stand no chance of beating the Gemini with a trident off the lights

Kev, how do you know they've both put their foot on the accelerator the same amount?

Quote from: Mike K on October 17, 2013, 10:28:30 PM
I think you have to accept it from the horse's mouth so to speak, i.e. those that drive these buses for a living. I agree with you Matt that Tridents tend to sound and feel quicker. The ALX B7s and Presidents always feel quite breathless by comparison. Given where I live I haven't travelled on that many B7 Geminis unfortunately.

But I never have and never will drive a bus and I don't think you can argue with those that drive these buses day in day out.

Spectras must be one of the slower buses in the current fleet, but the fastest driven bus I've ever been on has got to be 4015 on the 50 many years back. Ridiculous breakneck speed to the point of recklessness (one passenger was thrown out if his seat).

Most of the time it is down to the driver, not the bus.

Quote from: Liverpool Street on October 17, 2013, 08:22:44 PM

Quote from: Kevin on October 17, 2013, 08:10:32 PM

Quote from: Tony on October 17, 2013, 07:25:40 PM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 16, 2013, 10:37:12 PM

I don't bother to remember the numbers, but whenever I catch a WA Gemini, they sound horribly rough, you can hardly hear the engine. People most likely think they're faster because of the speed of the routes they are used on X51, 997 etc; but in reality any B7TL Gemini would feel the same on those routes.

But in the same vein, in the same location, I've been on a trident X51 that's pulled away quicker than an enviro 51 and Gemini 907 before... All down to the driver?

They sound horribly rough....... You can hardly hear the engine

Hardly hearing the engine sounds like they are in reasonable mechanical condition to me.

As for speed, it used to be quite common to be driving a trident on the 51 in the inside lane when an X51 would pull alongside in the middle lane to go under 6 ways underpass at Newtown baths. You would stand no chance of beating the Gemini with a trident off the lights

Kev, how do you know they've both put their foot on the accelerator the same amount?

Quote from: Mike K on October 17, 2013, 10:28:30 PM
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Spectras must be one of the slower buses in the current fleet, but the fastest driven bus I've ever been on has got to be 4015 on the 50 many years back. Ridiculous breakneck speed to the point of recklessness (one passenger was thrown out if his seat).
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Quote from: Kevin on October 16, 2013, 10:01:09 PM
As it's a Walsall Garage thread....
I think the Gemini's on the X51 are a perfect choice, from a passenger point of view they just feel more suited to the express work and more comfortable than Tridents. Yes the tridents do "feel" faster (from the engine noise etc) if they do ever appear on the X51, and likewise the Omnilinks "feel" sluggish, but at speed listening to music ridiculously loud like I do, looking out the window I can't really notice any difference in how fast the wall of the underpass is going past me

Quote from: Eric Shaw on October 18, 2013, 08:00:55 PM
I travelled on 4682 on the X51 yesterday morning. It pulled up at traffic lights alogside a Scania on the 907 and was left standing when they accelerated away togather. It was then left behind when  pulling away from a stop on the hill into Walsall by an Enviro on the51. I had thought it was running on time but another X51 followed it into the bus station so was presumably 20 mins late.

Quote from: Eric Shaw on October 18, 2013, 08:00:55 PM
I travelled on 4682 on the X51 yesterday morning. It pulled up at traffic lights alogside a Scania on the 907 and was left standing when they accelerated away togather. It was then left behind when  pulling away from a stop on the hill into Walsall by an Enviro on the51. I had thought it was running on time but another X51 followed it into the bus station so was presumably 20 mins late.

Quote from: andyr on October 19, 2013, 07:44:00 PM
The WA Geminis are fantastic buses from memory. I have a few days at home next week and will try to catch a few of them. Quiet engines, just as they should be then.

Quote from: lynx1103 on October 21, 2013, 03:28:33 PM
All Walsall tridents Previous TWM logos now have nxwm logos front
Back and side.

Quote from: Ashley 4566 on October 21, 2013, 11:22:35 PM
Hey those "horrific offerings" on the 19 are beasts, they run well and are immaculate inside and out

Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 21, 2013, 11:26:10 PM

Quote from: Ashley 4566 on October 21, 2013, 11:22:35 PM
Hey those "horrific offerings" on the 19 are beasts, they run well and are immaculate inside and out

I agree with you there Ashley, not much I like more than anything with a DAF DB250 chassis, the Arriva ones sound nice as well, better than the NXWM ones

Quote from: John on October 22, 2013, 08:09:41 AM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 21, 2013, 11:26:10 PM

Quote from: Ashley 4566 on October 21, 2013, 11:22:35 PM
Hey those "horrific offerings" on the 19 are beasts, they run well and are immaculate inside and out

I agree with you there Ashley, not much I like more than anything with a DAF DB250 chassis, the Arriva ones sound nice as well, better than the NXWM ones

I'll second that. When I have been on them on the 19 they have been smart inside and out, running well, a lot better condition than NXWMs Spectras, the Arriva DAFs are nowhere near as bad as made out by the 'Arriva hate club'

Quote from: NXWM Spectra on October 22, 2013, 08:11:59 AM

Quote from: John on October 22, 2013, 08:09:41 AM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 21, 2013, 11:26:10 PM

Quote from: Ashley 4566 on October 21, 2013, 11:22:35 PM
Hey those "horrific offerings" on the 19 are beasts, they run well and are immaculate inside and out

I agree with you there Ashley, not much I like more than anything with a DAF DB250 chassis, the Arriva ones sound nice as well, better than the NXWM ones

I'll second that. When I have been on them on the 19 they have been smart inside and out, running well, a lot better condition than NXWMs Spectras, the Arriva DAFs are nowhere near as bad as made out by the 'Arriva hate club'

I live a short walk from the 19 route and I've only seen one broken down.

Quote from: bob on October 22, 2013, 08:12:36 PM
My mate says hes seen a few out of service nx buses ( one was a 56 plate bb7rle) pottering about the cannock area again lately. Training duties?

Quote from: bob on October 22, 2013, 08:27:56 PM
Wouldnt make much difference on tge to/from walsall section tony, a transit would probably be big enough lol

Quote from: Tony on October 22, 2013, 08:38:15 PM

Quote from: bob on October 22, 2013, 08:27:56 PM
Wouldnt make much difference on tge to/from walsall section tony, a transit would probably be big enough lol

It does make a big difference on that section though, because if someone travelling past Walsall cannot get on in Birmingham because the single deck bus is full of passengers to Great Barr and Walsall, that may be another passenger lost.

Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 26, 2013, 06:39:30 PM
has 4875 got NXWM logos now on the drivers side, not seen it since I snapped it on the 10A

Quote from: John on October 26, 2013, 06:40:31 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 26, 2013, 06:39:30 PM
has 4875 got NXWM logos now on the drivers side, not seen it since I snapped it on the 10A

Don't think so. Has been like that for a good while now

Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 26, 2013, 06:39:30 PM
has 4875 got NXWM logos now on the drivers side, not seen it since I snapped it on the 10A.

Also what routes are the B7RLE/Scanias allocated too other than the 4/H/M & 6/7/7A & 77 carnt think of them off the top of my head  :-\

Quote from: Sh4166 on October 26, 2013, 06:43:26 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 26, 2013, 06:39:30 PM
has 4875 got NXWM logos now on the drivers side, not seen it since I snapped it on the 10A.

Also what routes are the B7RLE/Scanias allocated too other than the 4/H/M & 6/7/7A & 77 carnt think of them off the top of my head  :-\

301 & 311/313

Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 26, 2013, 06:41:16 PM
Yeah, like most others after panel replacement.

Quote from: Tony on October 24, 2013, 07:55:05 PM
From Thursday 31st October Bordesley's entire fleet will be free from all window etching and outside panel damage. Any that does occur will be repaired immediately as per Birmingham City Transport tradition.

All vehicles will be fitted with improved video equipment which will always be working

Hopefully the first of 10 garages to get this treatment

Quote from: John on October 26, 2013, 06:45:51 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 26, 2013, 06:41:16 PM
Yeah, like most others after panel replacement.

With Tony mentioning panel replacement in the Bordesley Garage thread, I wonder if it means that logos will also be replaced immediately as well

Quote from: Tony on October 24, 2013, 07:55:05 PM
From Thursday 31st October Bordesley's entire fleet will be free from all window etching and outside panel damage. Any that does occur will be repaired immediately as per Birmingham City Transport tradition.

All vehicles will be fitted with improved video equipment which will always be working

Hopefully the first of 10 garages to get this treatment

PS. B7RLEs are not allocated to the 6 or 77, Tridents are the main allocation, B7RLEs are sometimes seen on these routes

Quote from: trident4370 on October 28, 2013, 03:30:30 PM
I saw 244 with a smashed up front end being towed through Kings Heath this morning on a Mansfield Lorry, heading southbound.

Quote from: NXWM Spectra on October 28, 2013, 04:04:15 PM

Quote from: trident4370 on October 28, 2013, 03:30:30 PM
I saw 244 with a smashed up front end being towed through Kings Heath this morning on a Mansfield Lorry, heading southbound.

Think it's been off the road the majority of the time recently, it surely can't be worth the expense of repairing it again.

Quote from: trident4370 on October 28, 2013, 03:30:30 PM
I saw 244 with a smashed up front end being towed through Kings Heath this morning on a Mansfield Lorry, heading southbound.

Quote from: P419 EJW on October 28, 2013, 05:38:14 PM

Quote from: trident4370 on October 28, 2013, 03:30:30 PM
I saw 244 with a smashed up front end being towed through Kings Heath this morning on a Mansfield Lorry, heading southbound.

Wow. I saw 244 on WA39 last week. Didn't think it would be smashed a week later... I personally don't think it would be repaired but yeah, we'll see what happens with 244 soon.

Quote from: mranon on October 28, 2013, 07:43:08 PM
it was in service on the 89 in wolverhampton last week.

Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 29, 2013, 06:48:10 PM
is normal for B7's to come off the 7/7A onto Birmingham routes. Spotted 1784 in Alriidge on the 7A then when I went into town seen it on the X56 to the Pheasey

Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 30, 2013, 09:04:31 PM
Anyone else know the 997 was running up an down the kings road of an evening :O just seen 4869 shooting down the kings road towards Walsall

Quote from: John on October 30, 2013, 09:07:02 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on October 30, 2013, 09:04:31 PM
Anyone else know the 997 was running up an down the kings road of an evening :O just seen 4869 shooting down the kings road towards Walsall

It must be a diversion, maybe Aldridge Road is blocked. The only way to get back on route is to use Queslett Road from Asda to the island with Kings Road, then down Kings Road to Shady Lane and use Shady Lane to get back to route on Oscott School Lane. It obviously is not a regular thing

Quote from: Trident 4609 on October 31, 2013, 06:49:56 PM
Both 4764 and 4766 on the 51 today. Seems to be alot of Leather Seated E400's on the 51 recently during the week

Quote from: John on October 31, 2013, 06:50:43 PM

Quote from: Trident 4609 on October 31, 2013, 06:49:56 PM
Both 4764 and 4766 on the 51 today. Seems to be alot of Leather Seated E400's on the 51 recently during the week

They are on the 51 all the time Nathan, usually only one a day though

Quote from: John on October 31, 2013, 06:50:43 PM

Quote from: Trident 4609 on October 31, 2013, 06:49:56 PM
Both 4764 and 4766 on the 51 today. Seems to be alot of Leather Seated E400's on the 51 recently during the week

They are on the 51 all the time Nathan, usually only one a day though

Quote from: lynx1103 on October 31, 2013, 07:17:05 PM
A lot of 51 change to 934/935A evenings ussally
An unbranded vechile so this maybe while a leather seated enviro is allocated.

Quote from: lynx1103 on November 08, 2013, 06:30:12 PM
Also 244 seems to if dissapered and 581 hasn't seen use yet.

Quote from: lynx1103 on November 08, 2013, 06:30:12 PM
Any news on 4129 been a long time since July 2013 out of use due to
Fatal accident

Also 244 seems to if dissapered and 581 hasn't seen use yet.

Quote from: bob on November 08, 2013, 11:12:50 PM
The tridents on the 246 in dudley, are any of em ex walsall?

Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 08, 2013, 11:14:00 PM

Quote from: bob on November 08, 2013, 11:12:50 PM
The tridents on the 246 in dudley, are any of em ex walsall?

Just 4135

Quote from: Kevin on November 11, 2013, 11:37:40 PM
Of slight interest, 51 home from town was 4776, didn't pay attention to the fleetnumber when I got on but inside seemed different, had the high back seats but they were the dark blue with dots material not leather. Just searched on here and found out it was one of the tacho buses. Didn't expect to find it in normal service late in the evening

Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 14, 2013, 09:10:07 PM
Hopefully X56 is re-routed back through Kingstanding then to Pheasey then normal line of route (:

Also watched a driver put his trip into the Wayfare an wondered how routes such as 934E/935A/X51/4H/4M are entered into the wayfare

Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 14, 2013, 09:10:07 PM
Hopefully X56 is re-routed back through Kingstanding then to Pheasey then normal line of route (:

Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 14, 2013, 09:17:41 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 14, 2013, 09:10:07 PM
Hopefully X56 is re-routed back through Kingstanding then to Pheasey then normal line of route (:

Also watched a driver put his trip into the Wayfare an wondered how routes such as 934E/935A/X51/4H/4M are entered into the wayfare

Have no idea, except maybe when the route eg 4, is put in the machine, the driver is asked to select from 4, 4M,or 4H

Quote from: John on November 14, 2013, 09:18:51 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 14, 2013, 09:10:07 PM
Hopefully X56 is re-routed back through Kingstanding then to Pheasey then normal line of route (:

With the changes been to the X51/6, It is probably a change of route in Birmingham City Centre

I don't see a problem with the current route of the X56. It gives a direct route to Birmingham for people living on Queslett Road between Scott Arms and Asda, and it helps the X51 with loadings at peak times, which is a lot more busier than the 934/5/6s

Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 18, 2013, 05:12:57 PM
What route is the X56 (18:25) trip from an what time does it get into town (:

Quote from: notepanel on November 18, 2013, 05:32:33 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 18, 2013, 05:12:57 PM
What route is the X56 (18:25) trip from an what time does it get into town (:

The full board is as follows:
Dead to Walsall
935 Walsall (0557) - Birmingham (0648)
935 Birmingham (0653) - Walsall (0745)
935 Walsall (0750) - Birmingham (0859)
936 Birmingham (0908) - Brownhills (1006)
936 Brownhills (1011) - Birmingham (1116)
934 Birmingham (1118) - Walsall (1204)
934 Walsall (1215) - Birmingham (1306)
936 Birmingham (1308) - Brownhills (1406)
936 Brownhills (1411) - Birmingham (1517)
934 Birmingham (1518) - Walsall (1608)
934 Walsall (1615) - Birmingham (1709)
935 Birmingham (1718) - George Fredrick Rd (1747)
935 Kingstanding (1752) - Birmingham (1819)
X56 Birmingham (1825) - Foley Arms (1857)
Dead to Depot

Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 18, 2013, 05:44:21 PM

Quote from: notepanel on November 18, 2013, 05:32:33 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 18, 2013, 05:12:57 PM
What route is the X56 (18:25) trip from an what time does it get into town (:

The full board is as follows:
Dead to Walsall
935 Walsall (0557) - Birmingham (0648)
935 Birmingham (0653) - Walsall (0745)
935 Walsall (0750) - Birmingham (0859)
936 Birmingham (0908) - Brownhills (1006)
936 Brownhills (1011) - Birmingham (1116)
934 Birmingham (1118) - Walsall (1204)
934 Walsall (1215) - Birmingham (1306)
936 Birmingham (1308) - Brownhills (1406)
936 Brownhills (1411) - Birmingham (1517)
934 Birmingham (1518) - Walsall (1608)
934 Walsall (1615) - Birmingham (1709)
935 Birmingham (1718) - George Fredrick Rd (1747)
935 Kingstanding (1752) - Birmingham (1819)
X56 Birmingham (1825) - Foley Arms (1857)
Dead to Depot

Thanks NotePanel

Quote from: lynx1103 on November 18, 2013, 06:05:49 PM
The X56 is single deck due to low trees on sundial lane
Great Barr close to Scott Arms

Quote from: Kevin on November 18, 2013, 06:51:00 PM

Quote from: lynx1103 on November 18, 2013, 06:05:49 PM
The X56 is single deck due to low trees on sundial lane
Great Barr close to Scott Arms

Pretty sure Tony mentioned a while back there was a decker on it... that would have been fun

Quote from: Trident 4609 on November 18, 2013, 09:23:39 PM
4733 and 4683 both on the 40/1 today. Seems to be alot of E400's and Gemimis on the 40/1 recently over tridents

Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 18, 2013, 09:26:49 PM

Quote from: Trident 4609 on November 18, 2013, 09:23:39 PM
4733 and 4683 both on the 40/1 today. Seems to be alot of E400's and Gemimis on the 40/1 recently over tridents

4683 was on the 77 this morning ?

Quote from: Trident 4609 on November 18, 2013, 09:28:48 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 18, 2013, 09:26:49 PM

Quote from: Trident 4609 on November 18, 2013, 09:23:39 PM
4733 and 4683 both on the 40/1 today. Seems to be alot of E400's and Gemimis on the 40/1 recently over tridents

4683 was on the 77 this morning ?

Definetley 4683 i saw Nathan. Saw it going through Willenhall towards Wolverhampton about 15:30 this afternoon

Quote from: Ashley on November 19, 2013, 07:47:45 AM
4682 4683 and 4733 were on the 40/41 yesterday

Quote from: trident4370 on November 20, 2013, 06:23:20 PM
Has 244 been repaired or is there still visible damage?

Quote from: Ashley on November 21, 2013, 07:57:45 PM
244 was on the 39 yesterday

Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 22, 2013, 05:40:33 PM
I thought 244 only did College duties ?

Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 22, 2013, 05:40:33 PM
I thought 244 only did College duties ?

Quote from: Kevin on November 26, 2013, 06:57:43 PM
Something I noticed a lot recently, in the evenings (around 6pm) leaving the city centre, I'll regularly see 935/936s with plenty of space on board, but when the X51 comes it's invariably full and standing room only. This evening especially an Eclipse went past on the 935 only half full, and an E400 on the 936 with not many more on board, and yet for some reason they put an Omnilink on the X51 to Cannock (which is always late and therefore has more than one bus load of people waiting) meaning it went past my stop by the Childrens Hospital without stopping. Where's the logic/wisdom in that?

Quote from: Kevin on November 26, 2013, 06:57:43 PM
Something I noticed a lot recently, in the evenings (around 6pm) leaving the city centre, I'll regularly see 935/936s with plenty of space on board, but when the X51 comes it's invariably full and standing room only. This evening especially an Eclipse went past on the 935 only half full, and an E400 on the 936 with not many more on board, and yet for some reason they put an Omnilink on the X51 to Cannock (which is always late and therefore has more than one bus load of people waiting) meaning it went past my stop by the Childrens Hospital without stopping. Where's the logic/wisdom in that?

Quote from: Trident 4609 on November 26, 2013, 10:41:15 PM

Quote from: Kevin on November 26, 2013, 06:57:43 PM
Something I noticed a lot recently, in the evenings (around 6pm) leaving the city centre, I'll regularly see 935/936s with plenty of space on board, but when the X51 comes it's invariably full and standing room only. This evening especially an Eclipse went past on the 935 only half full, and an E400 on the 936 with not many more on board, and yet for some reason they put an Omnilink on the X51 to Cannock (which is always late and therefore has more than one bus load of people waiting) meaning it went past my stop by the Childrens Hospital without stopping. Where's the logic/wisdom in that?

Does that diversion on the cannock X51 (PM peak) still apply that means/meant that double deckers can't/couldn't work the Cannock X51

Quote from: notepanel on November 29, 2013, 04:09:24 PM
Apparently there are changes to the 40 & 69 routes from 26th January. I'm unsure exactly what this will involve, meanwhile the 8/89 are due yet another timetable change, as are the 70/70A from the same date.

Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 30, 2013, 06:00:38 PM
anyone know some of the Old WA routes from 1990 - 2009?

I.e 958, 950, 951A 952 , ETC, came across a few old timetables and just curious to know a few more

Thanks

Quote from: Tony on November 30, 2013, 06:01:46 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on November 30, 2013, 06:00:38 PM
anyone know some of the Old WA routes from 1990 - 2009?

I.e 958, 950, 951A 952 , ETC, came across a few old timetables and just curious to know a few more

Thanks

Surely if you have the timetables you can see what they were and when/where they ran?

Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 03, 2013, 04:54:28 PM
I see 581 has been withdrawn without ever turning a wheel at WA

Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 03, 2013, 05:14:32 PM

Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 03, 2013, 04:54:28 PM
I see 581 has been withdrawn without ever turning a wheel at WA

Why? 581 is the best B6 they have, it must have some SERIOUS mechanical issues  :o

Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 03, 2013, 05:14:32 PM

Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 03, 2013, 04:54:28 PM
I see 581 has been withdrawn without ever turning a wheel at WA

Why? 581 is the best B6 they have, it must have some SERIOUS mechanical issues  :o

Quote from: BN on December 03, 2013, 08:00:08 PM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 03, 2013, 05:14:32 PM

Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 03, 2013, 04:54:28 PM
I see 581 has been withdrawn without ever turning a wheel at WA

Why? 581 is the best B6 they have, it must have some SERIOUS mechanical issues  :o

No, not really.

Quote from: Tony on December 03, 2013, 08:05:50 PM

Quote from: BN on December 03, 2013, 08:00:08 PM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 03, 2013, 05:14:32 PM

Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 03, 2013, 04:54:28 PM
I see 581 has been withdrawn without ever turning a wheel at WA

Why? 581 is the best B6 they have, it must have some SERIOUS mechanical issues  :o

No, not really.

Is that no to both as I suspect BN? It is not the best, and it has no serious mechanical issues?

Quote from: BN on December 03, 2013, 08:56:47 PM

Quote from: Tony on December 03, 2013, 08:05:50 PM

Quote from: BN on December 03, 2013, 08:00:08 PM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 03, 2013, 05:14:32 PM

Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 03, 2013, 04:54:28 PM
I see 581 has been withdrawn without ever turning a wheel at WA

Why? 581 is the best B6 they have, it must have some SERIOUS mechanical issues  :o

No, not really.

Is that no to both as I suspect BN? It is not the best, and it has no serious mechanical issues?

Correct Tony

Quote from: Ashley on December 03, 2013, 10:58:48 PM
I'd rather see 581 in service compared to 244

Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 04, 2013, 12:01:42 AM

Quote from: Ashley on December 03, 2013, 10:58:48 PM
I'd rather see 581 in service compared to 244

It does make me wonder sometimes, what level of thought goes into vehicle withdrawals. Yet another ridiculous decision from NX.

Quote from: Tony on December 04, 2013, 10:11:42 AM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 04, 2013, 12:01:42 AM

Quote from: Ashley on December 03, 2013, 10:58:48 PM
I'd rather see 581 in service compared to 244

It does make me wonder sometimes, what level of thought goes into vehicle withdrawals. Yet another ridiculous decision from NX.

Yet another ridiculous post! You don't know the condition, book value, MoT expiry date, work needed, expected time before major work is needed, and various other factors that are taken into account. Not just whether enthusiasts like the noise it makes. As 581 has spent most of its life doing 16 hour days at Walsall, and 244 has been trundling around Heathrow Airport, I would imagine 244 is much lower mileage

Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 04, 2013, 10:41:19 AM

Quote from: Tony on December 04, 2013, 10:11:42 AM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 04, 2013, 12:01:42 AM

Quote from: Ashley on December 03, 2013, 10:58:48 PM
I'd rather see 581 in service compared to 244

It does make me wonder sometimes, what level of thought goes into vehicle withdrawals. Yet another ridiculous decision from NX.

Yet another ridiculous post! You don't know the condition, book value, MoT expiry date, work needed, expected time before major work is needed, and various other factors that are taken into account. Not just whether enthusiasts like the noise it makes. As 581 has spent most of its life doing 16 hour days at Walsall, and 244 has been trundling around Heathrow Airport, I would imagine 244 is much lower mileage

Contradicting what "BN" said then? ::)

I have my doubts with NX, I really do.

Quote from: Tony on December 04, 2013, 10:51:06 AM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 04, 2013, 10:41:19 AM

Quote from: Tony on December 04, 2013, 10:11:42 AM

Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 04, 2013, 12:01:42 AM

Quote from: Ashley on December 03, 2013, 10:58:48 PM
I'd rather see 581 in service compared to 244

It does make me wonder sometimes, what level of thought goes into vehicle withdrawals. Yet another ridiculous decision from NX.

Yet another ridiculous post! You don't know the condition, book value, MoT expiry date, work needed, expected time before major work is needed, and various other factors that are taken into account. Not just whether enthusiasts like the noise it makes. As 581 has spent most of its life doing 16 hour days at Walsall, and 244 has been trundling around Heathrow Airport, I would imagine 244 is much lower mileage

Contradicting what "BN" said then? ::)

I have my doubts with NX, I really do.

Not contradicting what BN said at all! All he said was it had no major issues, but also that is wasn't one of the best. BN will have had no dealings with 244 so doesn't know the condition of that one. Let's just say when 244 came up from London it was given a trial refurbishment with a view to doing the complete batch. That cost around £20,000, one of the reasons why the rest of the batch were not done. When you have spent that amount of money on a bus you are likely to want to get your moneys worth out of it

Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 07, 2013, 05:53:29 PM
Any reason why gemini 4680 I think it is has lost its advert frames an a few other bus have lost the adverts ?

Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 07, 2013, 11:30:15 PM
It might be 4682, not too sure, seen it a few times on the X51 but never made a note of it. Does look a bit better without adverts on.

Quote from: Ashley on December 08, 2013, 12:34:06 AM
4680 has had its connection bars painted or re panelled over on the offside

4682 has no offside advert frame

4681 and 4683 both look exactly the same from memory

4684 - 6 X51 branded

Quote from: Ashley on December 08, 2013, 10:47:33 AM
4680 was on the 6 John and it has adverts, 4682 was on the 77 and has no offside advert frames

Quote from: John on December 12, 2013, 04:29:54 PM
4127 was parked in Walsall garage this morning, with 2 drivers in it displaying 126E, Dudley via Roseville.

It had 'College Bus' on the display this afternoon, still parked in the same place

Quote from: John on December 13, 2013, 03:26:47 PM
4129 is now repaired, parked outside the paintshop waiting to go in for a repaint

Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 19, 2013, 06:05:40 PM
anyone seen 4857 ?

Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 19, 2013, 06:11:31 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 19, 2013, 06:05:40 PM
anyone seen 4857 ?

Have you tried the 51?

Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 19, 2013, 06:11:31 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 19, 2013, 06:05:40 PM
anyone seen 4857 ?

Have you tried the 51?

Quote from: nitromatt1 on December 19, 2013, 06:20:44 PM

Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 19, 2013, 06:11:31 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 19, 2013, 06:05:40 PM
anyone seen 4857 ?

Have you tried the 51?

It's not going to be on the 51 if it's VOR for any reason... I think that's what Nathan was trying to find out, if it's been out recently.

Quote from: lynx1103 on December 19, 2013, 10:17:23 PM
4129 repainted and back at Walsall after 5 months out of use

Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 19, 2013, 10:19:13 PM

Quote from: lynx1103 on December 19, 2013, 10:17:23 PM
4129 repainted and back at Walsall after 5 months out of use

Will it be in service by tommorow or Saturday?

Quote from: Rob4367 on December 19, 2013, 10:20:27 PM

Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 19, 2013, 10:19:13 PM

Quote from: lynx1103 on December 19, 2013, 10:17:23 PM
4129 repainted and back at Walsall after 5 months out of use

Will it be in service by tommorow or Saturday?

I'll be going to Walsall tomorrow Nath I'll keep an eye out for it just in case :)

Quote from: Rob4367 on December 19, 2013, 10:20:27 PM

Quote from: Trident 4609 on December 19, 2013, 10:19:13 PM

Quote from: lynx1103 on December 19, 2013, 10:17:23 PM
4129 repainted and back at Walsall after 5 months out of use

Will it be in service by tommorow or Saturday?

I'll be going to Walsall tomorrow Nath I'll keep an eye out for it just in case :)

Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 19, 2013, 10:30:36 PM
What happened to 4129 ? For it to be out of use for 5months ?

Quote from: vinh1000 on December 19, 2013, 10:57:54 PM
I think I had that bus on the 77 today
The mouquet on seats is a lot.different never seen it before

Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 21, 2013, 02:24:10 PM
Just curious to what can happen to driver for using his phone whilst driving a bus?. 

Quote from: John on December 24, 2013, 03:28:30 PM
1446 has had its connection bars removed, and the side logos moved to the place where they are in the recent single decker repaints (not the best of pics, but...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/11532441946/

Quote from: Nathan on December 24, 2013, 04:06:43 PM

Quote from: John on December 24, 2013, 03:28:30 PM
1446 has had its connection bars removed, and the side logos moved to the place where they are in the recent single decker repaints (not the best of pics, but...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/11532441946/

I noticed this the other day. It looks as if it has been partially repainted

Quote from: John on December 24, 2013, 04:22:17 PM

Quote from: Nathan on December 24, 2013, 04:06:43 PM

Quote from: John on December 24, 2013, 03:28:30 PM
1446 has had its connection bars removed, and the side logos moved to the place where they are in the recent single decker repaints (not the best of pics, but...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/11532441946/

I noticed this the other day. It looks as if it has been partially repainted

The white does look like a fresh coat. The windows also look like they have been refurbished, with the  lack on 'No Smoking' stickers on them, which they had before

Quote from: Mike K on December 24, 2013, 08:19:53 PM

Quote from: John on December 24, 2013, 04:22:17 PM

Quote from: Nathan on December 24, 2013, 04:06:43 PM

Quote from: John on December 24, 2013, 03:28:30 PM
1446 has had its connection bars removed, and the side logos moved to the place where they are in the recent single decker repaints (not the best of pics, but...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/11532441946/

I noticed this the other day. It looks as if it has been partially repainted

The white does look like a fresh coat. The windows also look like they have been refurbished, with the  lack on 'No Smoking' stickers on them, which they had before

Looks very smart. Hard to believe the B10Ls are 16 to 17 years old, the design is timeless which is more than can be said for the Mercs. Whilst the Mercs have been decent buses in many respects they certainly ain't easy on the eye.

Quote from: Nathan on December 24, 2013, 04:06:43 PM

Quote from: John on December 24, 2013, 03:28:30 PM
1446 has had its connection bars removed, and the side logos moved to the place where they are in the recent single decker repaints (not the best of pics, but...)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/11532441946/

I noticed this the other day. It looks as if it has been partially repainted

Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 26, 2013, 05:01:04 PM
4680 out on the 10/77 making a grinding noise, didn't sound to healthy

Quote from: Nathan on December 26, 2013, 05:09:54 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 26, 2013, 05:01:04 PM
4680 out on the 10/77 making a grinding noise, didn't sound to healthy

Thought those routes would have operated with B7RLE's like Sundays

Quote from: Sh4318 on December 26, 2013, 09:36:05 PM

Quote from: Nathan on December 26, 2013, 05:09:54 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 26, 2013, 05:01:04 PM
4680 out on the 10/77 making a grinding noise, didn't sound to healthy

Thought those routes would have operated with B7RLE's like Sundays

Probably didn't wanna risk a single on the 77 with Boxing Day shoppers travelling between Sutton & Walsall. Would I be right assuming the 6 was dd today too?

Quote from: Ashley on December 28, 2013, 07:53:31 PM
Nathan4775, your not missing a thing with regard to 244 as many will know my opinion of it

Quote from: Nathan4775 on December 28, 2013, 10:56:53 PM
Just missing a photo;), last B6 I need at WA.

Also 1896 I think it is the recently refurb ominilink was on the 4 today. First time I've seen it come off the 311/3 since refurb

Quote from: Westy on December 29, 2013, 01:00:14 AM
One of the Ommilinks (1885 I think?) is missing part of its fleet name on the drivers side.

Isn't there a Gem dd missing a fleet name too ISTR?

Quote from: 37351ml on December 31, 2013, 06:38:48 PM
This evenings x56 didn't bother to observe the moor st queensway stop, just shot straight past at 17.36 in the outside lane showing "not in service" Luckily i was able get the x51 instead....

Quote from: Matt on December 31, 2013, 06:50:31 PM

Quote from: 37351ml on December 31, 2013, 06:38:48 PM
This evenings x56 didn't bother to observe the moor st queensway stop, just shot straight past at 17.36 in the outside lane showing "not in service" Luckily i was able get the x51 instead....

What type of vehicle was it, a B7RLE?

Quote from: Nathan4775 on January 04, 2014, 05:59:22 PM
I had 934/05 on the first journey today? How come it wasn't 934/01? Just curious ?

Quote from: notepanel on January 04, 2014, 08:33:45 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on January 04, 2014, 05:59:22 PM
I had 934/05 on the first journey today? How come it wasn't 934/01? Just curious ?

It's a mystery! Most WA routes are numbered in terms of the bus leaving depot (Other companies number them so 1 is followed by 2, which is followed by 3 etc.)
All other WA 934 boards are in such an order, with 935/05 mixed in the middle! I can only assume that maybe the first round trip was added in last minute/have swapped boards since introduction?

Quote from: Liverpool Street on January 04, 2014, 08:58:34 PM

Quote from: notepanel on January 04, 2014, 08:33:45 PM

Quote from: Nathan4775 on January 04, 2014, 05:59:22 PM
I had 934/05 on the first journey today? How come it wasn't 934/01? Just curious ?

It's a mystery! Most WA routes are numbered in terms of the bus leaving depot (Other companies number them so 1 is followed by 2, which is followed by 3 etc.)
All other WA 934 boards are in such an order, with 935/05 mixed in the middle! I can only assume that maybe the first round trip was added in last minute/have swapped boards since introduction?

It could of ran dead to pick up service before 1/2/3/4 boards? Or something to do with the duties
It was the same thing for BC BR - Duty 4 - 63/04 started before duty 1 & 63/01!

Quote from: Nathan4775 on January 07, 2014, 09:43:39 PM
4682 spent the day on the X51, then seen it on the 997 at about 17:40 ? Carnt remember if the 997/X51 interwork

Quote from: lynx1103 on January 21, 2014, 09:27:32 PM
Before 1430 was regully allocated to W69-03 this board most likely to be a B7RLE

1430 was on a peak time working of 77 today

Quote from: lynx1103 on January 21, 2014, 09:27:32 PM
Before 1430 was regully allocated to W69-03 this board most likely to be a B7RLE

1430 was on a peak time working of 77 today

Quote from: lynx1103 on January 21, 2014, 09:27:32 PM
Before 1430 was regully allocated to W69-03 this board most likely to be a B7RLE

1430 was on a peak time working of 77 today

Quote from: Nathan on January 23, 2014, 09:51:30 PM

Quote from: lynx1103 on January 21, 2014, 09:27:32 PM
Before 1430 was regully allocated to W69-03 this board most likely to be a B7RLE

1430 was on a peak time working of 77 today

It appears 1430 has been put back onto W69/03 every weekday again.It worked the board yesterday and today after having a break on Tuesday (1753 was on W69/03 on Tuesday). Will this allocation to the board stay the same from Sunday when the changes on into effect (Well Mon as the 69 does operate on Sun)?