Is it the class 168 Chiltern use between Moor Street and Warwick
Quote from: 2206 on August 21, 2015, 01:33:28 AM
Is it the class 168 Chiltern use between Moor Street and Warwick
Yes its mostly 168's but you do get some Loco Hauled Trains aswell and a 165 which operates between B'ham Moor Street and Leamington Spa. :)
Quote from: Rob2832 on August 21, 2015, 09:25:50 AM
Yes its mostly 168's but you do get some Loco Hauled Trains aswell and a 165 which operates between B'ham Moor Street and Leamington Spa. :)
Does 1334 to ls
Do the class 68 operate between Warwick Parkway and Moor Street?
Quote from: 2206 on August 21, 2015, 09:48:49 AM
Do the class 68 operate between Warwick Parkway and Moor Street?
Yes
Quote from: RS on August 21, 2015, 09:49:31 AM
Yes
Never been on Chiltern but which train out of the 68's, 165's and 168's which is your favourite to travel on?
Quote from: 2206 on August 21, 2015, 09:54:09 AM
Never been on Chiltern but which train out of the 68's, 165's and 168's
Wht you mean
Quote from: RS on August 21, 2015, 09:58:07 AM
Wht you mean
It isn't hard, out of Classes 68, 165 and 168's which is your preferred option
Quote from: Dom on August 21, 2015, 10:29:52 AM
It isn't hard, out of Classes 68, 165 and 168's which is your preferred option
I've been on 3 168s
No 165s
And 2 68s
The 68 s are good but squeak going out of moor St a bit
168 are like Turbostar 170s
Quote from: RS on August 21, 2015, 10:32:52 AM
I've been on 3 168s
No 165s
And 2 68s
The 68 s are good but squeak going out of moor St a bit
168 are like Turbostar 170s
As do most trains out of main stations
Quote from: Dom on August 21, 2015, 10:35:59 AM
As do most trains out of main stations
I know thanks for saying though Dom
Quote from: RS on August 21, 2015, 10:36:46 AM
I know thanks for saying though Dom
The "squeak" comes from the Push Pull locos
Explanation there
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push%E2%80%93pull_train
The London midland 323s squeak a lot
My favourite is the 68 and that is why I have had all of 68008-68015 quite a few times. Chiltern also have 4 172s and are getting some 170s from Transpennine Express which are for the London-Oxford services.
TP DMU's 170301-303/305/309 are at Brush Loughborough at the moment being made suitable for use by Chiltern. They are being made compatible with Chiltern's Class 168's and will probably renumbered as 168/3's.
Quote from: JIM H on September 07, 2015, 09:20:01 PM
TP DMU's 170301-303/305/309 are at Brush Loughborough at the moment being made suitable for use by Chiltern. They are being made compatible with Chiltern's Class 168's and will probably renumbered as 168/3's.
170301 170302 170304 170305 170309 are at Loughborough with 170303 170306 170307 170308 are still in regular use at TransPennine Express and are due to move at a later date, probably the December service changes, or whenever they can get any more extra capacity to cover for the loss of these units.
Stock changes in Septembers Railway Magazine show 170305/309 renumbered as 168325/329
First one released from works at Brush is 168329 ex 170309 **NOT MY PHOTO**
https://www.flickr.com/photos/84539378@N07/20461216042/in/photolist-xb65EW-6HBVqS-pPV85z-mP1zUX-mP1Rzc-qWqnrh-qKwQ4Q-9fkugq-98SimV-jaCTnV-sK1MH-96hEP7-9i8KdW-jzYiZQ-mgoqoE-9J6r9P-9pjzBH-9osTvL-9osTuG-9osTtG-9osTsJ-9osTro-9nUBFZ-9jmtds-9epNP4-9eiwir-9bpRb2-uNss4N-o7sDam-gsRybL-dn4uFT-bWtgxg-8xEVdT-fjVkA1-cp1nL3-cp1nGQ-cnxmEy-c6ZQfC-bzRuPY-bvSpqU-bvwSHJ-bxdgZc-bxcTGp-brCGyr-aYhkUX-ajbuJN-9TS8NK-9MxrAG-9DCJQv-9zyDNh
Quote from: broma1k on September 08, 2015, 09:01:04 AM
Stock changes in Septembers Railway Magazine show 170305/309 renumbered as 168325/329
Does anyone know why the change of Class number?
Quote from: Bryan on September 08, 2015, 11:47:56 AM
Does anyone know why the change of Class number?
They've had their couplers modified to be compatible with the rest of their fleet
168329 has now been delivered to Chiltern on 5Z59 from Loughborough.
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 10, 2015, 10:18:51 AM
They've had their couplers modified to be compatible with the rest of their fleet
Thanks for that, the reason for the Class 170 to 168 change had me baffled. Having said that I'm not very knowledgeable about the railways.
Would like to have seen Chiltern invest in some more loco hauled stock, some services really need it!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 10, 2015, 07:28:57 PM
Would like to have seen Chiltern invest in some more loco hauled stock, some services really need it!
Much that I like the loco hauled stock as well they actually need the DMUs more, as all vehicles have seats in where two are wasted in the loco hauled sets
Yeah the DMUs are needed more - they provide that useful bit of extra capacity. Found one of the problems of the Loco sets at times is that there can be seating issues. Came back from London a few months ago and they had to move standing standard class passengers into the 2+1 config Business Zone seating area. Might not have been such an issue with a DMU.
An interesting poster at Moor Street station warning of delays of up to three minutes due to leaf fall.
http://www.ipernity.com/doc/bryan_a_smith/39598444
Quote from: Bryan on September 11, 2015, 10:30:56 AM
An interesting poster at Moor Street station warning of delays of up to three minutes due to leaf fall.
http://www.ipernity.com/doc/bryan_a_smith/39598444
That is because the 68s are better at accelerating than the 67s but they are running to 67s timings.
Quote from: tank90 on September 12, 2015, 05:46:40 PM
That is because the 68s are better at accelerating than the 67s but they are running to 67s timings.
I'm not sure that has anything to do with it. Surely if 68s are better accelerating than 67s but still running in 67 timings then they'd be early?
The poster is warning pax that delays are inevitable when the leaves start falling off trees leaving residue on the line making the tracks slippier. Not a single thing to do with 67s or 68s or the like.
Quote from: T840MAK on September 12, 2015, 09:09:26 PM
I'm not sure that has anything to do with it. Surely if 68s are better accelerating than 67s but still running in 67 timings then they'd be early?
The poster is warning pax that delays are inevitable when the leaves start falling off trees leaving residue on the line making the tracks slippier. Not a single thing to do with 67s or 68s or the like.
They haven't yet changed the timings and yes the 68s are early and can wait longer at stations or not travel as fast . As the 68s can run at least 2 minutes faster than the 67s it gives DB Arriva Chiltern 5 mins to play with the falling wrong leaves on the line. CR have no plans as yet to retime routes until the evergreen project has been completed in full, by this point all 67s will have left CR lease (CR as being part of DB Arriva have access to DBS locos for back up). Rail and The Railway Magazine have covered this several times. CR have stated in publications that the time saved can be used to make sure they run on time, every time.
Quote from: tank90 on September 13, 2015, 01:13:41 AM
They haven't yet changed the timings and yes the 68s are early and can wait longer at stations or not travel as fast . As the 68s can run at least 2 minutes faster than the 67s it gives DB Arriva Chiltern 5 mins to play with the falling wrong leaves on the line. CR have no plans as yet to retime routes until the evergreen project has been completed in full, by this point all 67s will have left CR lease (CR as being part of DB Arriva have access to DBS locos for back up). Rail and The Railway Magazine have covered this several times. CR have stated in publications that the time saved can be used to make sure they run on time, every time.
I still don't think it has a single thing to do with the 68s, they can do it quicker, cool, that means that the delay that they're building up because of the leaves on the line is less, I believe the poster is on about all services not just LHCS.
Heard today that the 18:47 London Marylebone to Kidderminster is to be DMU operated instead of loco & Coaching stock and will terminate at Birmingham Moor Street from December October 25 as part of the timetable changes for the new Oxford Parkway station.
Makes you wonder what the future of the services between Kidderminster, Stourbridge and London will be, I thought many years ago they wanted to operate an hourly service on this part of the line, I wonder in years to come whether all services will just operate Birmingham to London?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 14, 2015, 08:46:02 PM
Heard today that the 18:47 London Marylebone to Kidderminster is to be DMU operated instead of loco & Coaching stock and will terminate at Birmingham Moor Street from December October 25 as part of the timetable changes for the new Oxford Parkway station.
Makes you wonder what the future of the services between Kidderminster, Stourbridge and London will be, I thought many years ago they wanted to operate an hourly service on this part of the line, I wonder in years to come whether all services will just operate Birmingham to London?
As a replacement for the 1847, the 1615 from Marylebone is a Silver Set and will be extended to Kidderminster from 26 October.
Quote from: Roy on October 14, 2015, 10:07:04 PM
As a replacement for the 1847, the 1615 from Marylebone is a Silver Set and will be extended to Kidderminster from 26 October.
Shame the 16:15 isn't already loco hauled, having caught it back from Marylebone to Moor Street on Monday being worked by a wedged 168, when there was a nice loco hauled set sat on the adjacent platform...
Chiltern stable sets overnight at Stourbridge which is why the number of through services remain constant. On weekdays, all sets run through to Stourbridge or Kidderminster in service. What needs improving are weekend services where sets operate to/from Birmingham ecs. What is needed is for these to operate in service.
With regard to the 168/3s, I would guess that these will enter squadron service from 25 October when the Oxford Parkway service starts.
I really appreciate the services Chiltern provide to London but wish there were more. Everytime I use them for London, the services are very well used from Stourbridge. Went last Saturday in fact and it was certainly busy. The loco and carriages are excellent too. However it doesnt make sense to me that the evening journeys only go to Moor Street! Lots of us had to wait for a LM service instead to Stourbridge. Surely if they have trains stabling at SBJ, they can run services beyond Moor St on Saturday evenings? Unsurprisingly this is a strong priority of the Stourbridge Line User Group (http://www.stourbridgelineusergroup.info/train%20services.html).
I would love to see a more regular service provided even if it was perhaps just once every 2 hours in the daytime.
There is a horrible gap between services from 18:49 to 19:24 on Saturday evening from Moor St. A Chiltern service up to Stourbridge/Kidderminster certainly wouldn't hurt there
I am a Stourbridge Line User Group member and was talking to one of the committee yesterday. They speak to a Chiltern Railways manager every 2 months at their Committee meetings and also at Chiltern's quarterly Passenger Board meetings. They have identified that there is one empty stock service from Stourbridge Depot to Birmingham and three from Birmingham to Stourbridge Depot on Saturdays, and two ecs workings in each direction on Sundays. They have made a case to Chiltern to run some of these in service. Chiltern's current stance is that they would have the extra expense of a conductor as the ecs movements are driver only. However, it is currently with Chiltern for consideration. SLUG have also raised their concerns about the cancellation of the 1847 service from Marylebone on Mondays to Fridays leaving a gap from 1815 to 2010 for through services.
At least Chiltern seem to listen to suggestions for improvements. London Midland's stance is that you will only get improvements if the Department for Transport approve them. Therefore, SLUG are talking to West Midlands Rail and DfT to try to get other improvements specified in the new West Midlands franchise which starts in October 2017 (better weekend and evening services, earlier Sunday services, longer trains at weekends and better connections at Worcester towards the South West).
Incidentally, I received my pdf quarterly magazine from SLUG last week and there is a very interesting article about the history of through trains between Stourbridge and London in it which ends with their campaign to improve weekend Chiltern services.
Quote from: Roy on October 19, 2015, 11:23:51 AM
I am a Stourbridge Line User Group member and was talking to one of the committee yesterday. They speak to a Chiltern Railways manager every 2 months at their Committee meetings and also at Chiltern's quarterly Passenger Board meetings. They have identified that there is one empty stock service from Stourbridge Depot to Birmingham and three from Birmingham to Stourbridge Depot on Saturdays, and two ecs workings in each direction on Sundays. They have made a case to Chiltern to run some of these in service. Chiltern's current stance is that they would have the extra expense of a conductor as the ecs movements are driver only. However, it is currently with Chiltern for consideration. SLUG have also raised their concerns about the cancellation of the 1847 service from Marylebone on Mondays to Fridays leaving a gap from 1815 to 2010 for through services.
At least Chiltern seem to listen to suggestions for improvements. London Midland's stance is that you will only get improvements if the Department for Transport approve them. Therefore, SLUG are talking to West Midlands Rail and DfT to try to get other improvements specified in the new West Midlands franchise which starts in October 2017 (better weekend and evening services, earlier Sunday services, longer trains at weekends and better connections at Worcester towards the South West).
Incidentally, I received my pdf quarterly magazine from SLUG last week and there is a very interesting article about the history of through trains between Stourbridge and London in it which ends with their campaign to improve weekend Chiltern services.
I am put off travelling by Chiltern to London on a Saturday because of the lack of a direct return service. If they managed to run either 1 or 2 of the ecs in service and it was marketed properly, am sure that Chiltern could make up the extra conductor expenses with additional revenue.
Am sure it was said early on when Kidderminster/Styourbridge to London first began that they hoped that they could run services all through the day, that has never happened though!
Quote from: s94 on October 14, 2015, 11:15:06 PM
I really appreciate the services Chiltern provide to London but wish there were more. Everytime I use them for London, the services are very well used from Stourbridge. Went last Saturday in fact and it was certainly busy. The loco and carriages are excellent too. However it doesnt make sense to me that the evening journeys only go to Moor Street! Lots of us had to wait for a LM service instead to Stourbridge. Surely if they have trains stabling at SBJ, they can run services beyond Moor St on Saturday evenings? Unsurprisingly this is a strong priority of the Stourbridge Line User Group (http://www.stourbridgelineusergroup.info/train%20services.html).
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I hadn't seen the Stourbridge Line User Group website before clicking on the link, but all I can say it is great!
With improvements the group would like to see combined with historical data and photographs for the area, I can see me spending an enjoyable afternoon reading through it.
I certainly had no idea that Merry Hill had had a monorail in the past, although in my defense I only moved to the West Midlands about ten years ago and my first visit to Merry Hill was eleven days ago.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 19, 2015, 12:44:58 PM
I am put off travelling by Chiltern to London on a Saturday because of the lack of a direct return service. If they managed to run either 1 or 2 of the ecs in service and it was marketed properly, am sure that Chiltern could make up the extra conductor expenses with additional revenue.
Am sure it was said early on when Kidderminster/Styourbridge to London first began that they hoped that they could run services all through the day, that has never happened though!
According to the Stourbridge Line User Group newsletter article on London services, Chiltern's 20-Year Franchise agreement in 2002 contained the following contracted obligations :- Operation of hourly through service between Marylebone and Kidderminster for most of Monday-Saturday from September, plus the trial of Sunday services from September 2003.
Neither of these happened, although I think the reason for the Monday to Saturday service not happening was the increase of Central Trains (now LM) services between Stourbridge Junction and Snow Hill from 4 per hour to 6 per hour. The Sunday trial seems to have been quietly swept under the carpet.
I agree with you that the number of passengers on a Saturday evening would more than pay for additional train staff, given the number of people who travel to London from the Stourbridge line on a Saturday morning. The other point about the ecs workings from Birmingham is that they have to go into Stourbridge Junction station to reverse to gain access to the depot.
There is clearly good support here amongst us for improved weekend services. Albeit we are very small as a number, there must be many more out there. Saturday is a perfect day to go to London for a day out or Bicester for shopping. I'm sure patronage on a Saturday evening would make up for additional conductor costs. As I saw the other Saturday, a number of us had to change at moor st for a LM service onward to Stourbridge. Loads always get off at Stourbridge so there must be demand. Does seem a bit silly they can't do that extra bit when the trains rest at SBJ anyway.
I've always found chiltern to be a very good company, at least what it appears to be as a passenger so I would hope/be quietly confident they will soon bring at least some improvement.
As for better services to the south west.... Yes please!!! Something much needed too. Many in the midlands love to travel to the SW. Better services towards Bristol and Devon would be extremely appreciated. Even Cornwall wouldn't be unreasonable.
As someone who uses the line regularly, those early Sunday services are really required, no trains before 10am on such a frequent service (during the week) isn't very good. Chiltern weekend services don't really bother me, I'm more concerned about the train formations on the weekend, and that horrible 35 minute gap on Saturday evenings
Quote from: s94 on October 19, 2015, 06:09:58 PM
There is clearly good support here amongst us for improved weekend services. Albeit we are very small as a number, there must be many more out there. Saturday is a perfect day to go to London for a day out or Bicester for shopping. I'm sure patronage on a Saturday evening would make up for additional conductor costs. As I saw the other Saturday, a number of us had to change at moor st for a LM service onward to Stourbridge. Loads always get off at Stourbridge so there must be demand. Does seem a bit silly they can't do that extra bit when the trains rest at SBJ anyway.
I've always found chiltern to be a very good company, at least what it appears to be as a passenger so I would hope/be quietly confident they will soon bring at least some improvement.
As for better services to the south west.... Yes please!!! Something much needed too. Many in the midlands love to travel to the SW. Better services towards Bristol and Devon would be extremely appreciated. Even Cornwall wouldn't be unreasonable.
I think the connections to Bristol are more referring to the Malvern - Temple Meads service, which is only 2 hourly
With regard to the gap from 1849 to 1924, one of the Chiltern ecs workings leaves Snow Hill at 1906, so could fill the gap if Chiltern could be persuaded to run it in service (it's a Silver Set).
For earlier Sunday morning services, it's a case of watch this space. The LM franchise runs out in March 2016 and DfT and LM are currently putting the final touches to a direct award to run until October 2017. The details should be announced shortly and could include earlier services. If not, the next franchise will be jointly awarded by DfT and West Midlands Rail. Two Centro employees are currently seconded to DfT to work on the franchise and they will be organising a public consultation from December. Therefore, get your ideas together!
The connection at Worcester, as you say, is awful - 2 hourly GWR service. SLUG are asking if the possibility of extending some Worcester Shrub Hill terminating trains to Cheltenham/Gloucester or to Worcestershire Parkway could be considered to improve connections.
Quote from: Roy on October 20, 2015, 09:41:48 AM
With regard to the gap from 1849 to 1924, one of the Chiltern ecs workings leaves Snow Hill at 1906, so could fill the gap if Chiltern could be persuaded to run it in service (it's a Silver Set).
For earlier Sunday morning services, it's a case of watch this space. The LM franchise runs out in March 2016 and DfT and LM are currently putting the final touches to a direct award to run until October 2017. The details should be announced shortly and could include earlier services. If not, the next franchise will be jointly awarded by DfT and West Midlands Rail. Two Centro employees are currently seconded to DfT to work on the franchise and they will be organising a public consultation from December. Therefore, get your ideas together!
The connection at Worcester, as you say, is awful - 2 hourly GWR service. SLUG are asking if the possibility of extending some Worcester Shrub Hill terminating trains to Cheltenham/Gloucester or to Worcestershire Parkway could be considered to improve connections.
Can't wait for that. I have so much to say, and not just on Birmingham - Worcester. Better get a notepad and pen ready!
Quote from: Sh4318 on October 21, 2015, 09:13:27 PM
Can't wait for that. I have so much to say, and not just on Birmingham - Worcester. Better get a notepad and pen ready!
Personally i hope they don't let Centro poke there nose into any franchise award, they tried before and it just doesn't work!
Article in current Rail magazine showing the potential new regime.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/train-fire-halts-birmingham-rail-10319241
168325 and a few others out today.
168325 was out today working 1H28 (09:12 BSW - MYB) with 168214
168324 & 168329 are both in moor st sidings atm.
Surprise this hasn't been mentioned?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/626181/London-Train-Marylebone-station-Chiltern-Railways-London-Fire-Brigade
Whats going on with trains at the moment with trains and fires?
Walked passed this yesterday on my way back to euston. I didn't know what was going on.
Chiltern Railways announced at the Stourbridge Line User Group Public Meeting this week that they have bid to increase the number of through trains to Kidderminster at weekends from the December 2017 timetable change. There will be 4 extra trains on Saturdays and 5 trains on Sundays if the proposal is endorsed at the December Timetable Conference. The proposal also includes a slightly earlier first train of the day on Sundays into Birmingham from Kidderminster and Stourbridge. Full details are on the Stourbridge Line User Group website at http://www.stourbridgelineusergroup.info/chiltern%20kidderminster%20services.html (http://www.stourbridgelineusergroup.info/chiltern%20kidderminster%20services.html)
On another subject, the same meeting was also shown the first artist's impressions of the rebuilt Kidderminster station. The station building will be a modern glass-fronted building and the forecourt will be redesigned to improve traffic flow with the taxi rank moved to beyond the station building. There will be no bus interchange on the forecourt as it would mean losing 50 car parking spaces and the bus companies have shown little interest in using it. The trees hiding the station from Comberton Hill will be removed to make the station visible from Comberton Hill and the bus stops in Comberton Hill will be upgraded with a pedestrian crossing provided to improve access to the station. Work starts next year with completion by Spring 2019.
I notice that Tony has taken a few shots of the remaining class 121 first generation 'Bubble' rail cars in service with Chiltern rail at Aylesbury. Judging by the number of enthusiasts present was this some 'farewell' occasion perhaps? or just a private function? The blue unit ( ex 55020 ) looks resplendent in its new paint job is it to remain in service at Aylesbury or is it destined for preservation??????/
Quote from: windy miller on May 19, 2017, 11:52:00 PM
I notice that Tony has taken a few shots of the remaining class 121 first generation 'Bubble' rail cars in service with Chiltern rail at Aylesbury. Judging by the number of enthusiasts present was this some 'farewell' occasion perhaps? or just a private function? The blue unit ( ex 55020 ) looks resplendent in its new paint job is it to remain in service at Aylesbury or is it destined for preservation??????/
Yesterday was the last day of both and Chiltern put them out all day running non-stop Princess Risborough-Aylesbury instead of just the normal peak time service. Both are being sold
That's a real shame. Better than a lot of new trains
Many thanks for the info.The bubble car in the fresh paint livery (55020) is/was the ONLY DMU in everyday service that I had not seen. Anyone know where its most likely to go????
Quote from: Tony on May 20, 2017, 09:34:25 AM
Yesterday was the last day of both and Chiltern put them out all day running non-stop Princess Risborough-Aylesbury instead of just the normal peak time service. Both are being sold
Couldn't get yesterday off work for it so went down last week to pay my tribute, and it was hella busy then so hate to imagine how full they were yesterday
Quote from: Kevin on May 20, 2017, 08:50:37 PM
Couldn't get yesterday off work for it so went down last week to pay my tribute, and it was hella busy then so hate to imagine how full they were yesterday
The conductor made a great announcement.
"Sorry for the overcrowding there appears to be something special on today "
Wasn't one of them 121034 which went through the buffers at Stourbridge Town?
Quote from: Bob on May 20, 2017, 05:39:08 PM
That's a real shame. Better than a lot of new trains
Really? By what measure, please enlighten us!
Better legroom...Doors you can open yourself...opening windows..fresh air.....
Quote from: Bob on June 03, 2017, 12:17:30 AM
Better legroom...Doors you can open yourself...opening windows..fresh air.....
I'll give you three of those - the doors one isn't accurate though.
Problem is that the old DMUs are far worse in so many other areas:
Crashworthiness for vehicle, crew and pax
Emissions
Section running times
Route restrictions
Maintenance cost
Availability of spare parts
Traincrew familiarity
Accessibility
Fire performance
Multiple working capability
Still the end of an era though, and that's poignant in its way.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on June 05, 2017, 11:47:55 AM
I'll give you three of those - the doors one isn't accurate though.
Problem is that the old DMUs are far worse in so many other areas:
Crashworthiness for vehicle, crew and pax
Emissions
Section running times
Route restrictions
Maintenance cost
Availability of spare parts
Traincrew familiarity
Accessibility
Fire performance
Multiple working capability
Still the end of an era though, and that's poignant in its way.
Legroom isnt any better either, when I travelled on the last day, it was full and everyone's leg's had to alternate with the person's opposite. They're fine when not full, but actual legroom is probably less than modern airline style seats, and certainly worse than taht under a table on a 153 or 170
Quote from: Tony on June 05, 2017, 11:52:59 AM
Legroom isnt any better either, when I travelled on the last day, it was full and everyone's leg's had to alternate with the person's opposite. They're fine when not full, but actual legroom is probably less than modern airline style seats, and certainly worse than taht under a table on a 153 or 170
LOL - yes I heard it was busy to say the least - I went about a month before the end to pay my respects, and there was a sizeable contingent of railwaymen enthusiasts aboard even then.
Two class 47s working today's 9:34 Moor St to Marylebone.
Quote from: V89MOA on August 26, 2017, 09:13:33 AM
Two class 47s working today's 9:34 Moor St to Marylebone.
Should have been 47812 & 47813 (47848 is standby in case either fail), They are out all weekend providing extra capacity
Quote from: Tony on August 26, 2017, 09:43:20 AM
Should have been 47812 & 47813 (47848 is standby in case either fail), They are out all weekend providing extra capacity
Can confirm it was 812 & 813, surprising the amount of enthusiasts who were there already!
Chiltern have published a track access application to turn most, if not all, the existing weekend ECS to and from Stourbridge into passenger services.
Quote from: mikestone on September 05, 2017, 07:21:47 PM
Chiltern have published a track access application to turn most, if not all, the existing weekend ECS to and from Stourbridge into passenger services.
Yes!!! Means that I won't have to rely on changing at Birmingham to London Midland when coming back from London
EVS?
Quote from: mikestone on September 05, 2017, 07:21:47 PM
Chiltern have published a track access application to turn most, if not all, the existing weekend ECS to and from Stourbridge into passenger services.
As reported on this thread on 12 May, it is all the ECS workings. It's one extra service from Kidderminster to Marylebone on Saturday mornings, with three back to Kidderminster on Saturday evenings. There are two Sunday morning services from Kidderminster to Marylebone with three back to Kidderminster on Sunday evenings. Times are available on the Open Train Times website, but it does mean a slightly earlier first service into Birmingham on Sunday mornings. The additional services stop at Stourbridge Junction, Cradley Heath (class 168 only) and Rowley Regis only.
DVT 82302 is now carrying a Christmas themed vinyl wrap
See link below :
https://www.flickr.com/photos/128470593@N05/27059121069/in/datetaken-public/
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on December 04, 2017, 06:28:26 PM
Class 82 DVT 82302 is now carrying a Christmas themed vinyl wrap
See link below :
https://www.flickr.com/photos/128470593@N05/27059121069/in/datetaken-public/
A bit of pedantry, it is not a class 82. DVTs do not have class numbers, they are carriages.
Quote from: Tony on December 04, 2017, 06:33:52 PM
A bit of pedantry, it is not a class 82. DVTs do not have class numbers, they are carriages.
Edited my post now
Can anyone tell me which birmingham to london and vice versa trips are loco hauled. Coming back from london on 21.10 trip in May
Quote from: Bob on April 08, 2018, 11:52:17 AM
Can anyone tell me which birmingham to london and vice versa trips are loco hauled. Coming back from london on 21.10 trip in May
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/frequently-requested-diagrams-thread.84997/#post-1478545
Catching the 19.10 from marylebone tonight to brum. Anyone know what type of train itll be/how many carriages. Kind of dreading it. Fa cup/royal wedding/ no seat reservations!
Quote from: Bob on May 19, 2018, 04:41:12 PM
Catching the 19.10 from marylebone tonight to brum. Anyone know what type of train itll be/how many carriages. Kind of dreading it. Fa cup/royal wedding/ no seat reservations!
Don't know the type of train but that train has been amended slightly to depart Marylebone at 1900 and includes a Wembley Stadium call. Looks like most trains after the 1840 revised by 10 mins.
Quote from: Bob on May 19, 2018, 04:41:12 PM
Catching the 19.10 from marylebone tonight to brum. Anyone know what type of train itll be/how many carriages. Kind of dreading it. Fa cup/royal wedding/ no seat reservations!
It'll either be a 165, 168 or a 172. The last loco hauled departure from Marylebone on Saturdays is 1G53, which leaves at 1810.
Rail replacement tomorrow & Sunday who will be running the buses
The 12:24 Chiltern Railways service to London Marylebone from Solihull called at Acocks Green, Olton and Widney Manor, earlier due to West Midland Railways services being delayed, cancelled and stuck due to emergency services dealing with an incident in the Kidderminster area.
Very good that someone made that decision for the 12:24 to call at those stations, rather than leaving people stuck at those stations with no service and not knowing when the service woud resume.
https://www.kidderminstershuttle.co.uk/news/17361947.trains-suspended-after-person-dies-at-stourbridge-junction/
It seems somebody was hit by a train at Stourbridge Junction.
Can anyone advise which Chiltern to marylebone from Moor st are loco hauled on a Sat at all?
Quote from: Bob on March 23, 2019, 01:13:27 PM
Can anyone advise which Chiltern to marylebone from Moor st are loco hauled on a Sat at all?
0755, 0955 and 1355. The first two start from Kidderminster.
what will happen to Chiltern railway when arriva is sold as don't they run the service
Im travelling with Chiltern next Sat from bham to london. Im dreading it. Euston is closed so presumably the Chiltern service will be much busier than usual. Catching the 08.56 from moor st. How many carriages does that usually have?
Quote from: Solo1 on April 13, 2019, 09:18:40 AM
what will happen to Chiltern railway when arriva is sold as don't they run the service
Retendered or the new company takes on the franchise with approval of the dft or operator of last resort
Quote from: Bob on April 13, 2019, 11:37:08 AM
Im travelling with Chiltern next Sat from bham to london. Im dreading it. Euston is closed so presumably the Chiltern service will be much busier than usual. Catching the 08.56 from moor st. How many carriages does that usually have?
Whatever is "usual" is irrelevant. They'll be running everything different, purely because of the Euston Blockade, likely all the Birmingham services will have extra carriages
Quote from: Kevin on April 13, 2019, 12:54:59 PM
Whatever is "usual" is irrelevant. They'll be running everything different, purely because of the Euston Blockade, likely all the Birmingham services will have extra carriages
Hopefully loco hauled!
Due to signalling problems between Leamington and Banbury this morning, Chiltern cancelled all there services out of Stourbridge and Kidderminster.
Now to me, why cancel the services when the trains were there, staff available, no problem on the line to Birmingham, surely they could have ran them between Kidderminster/Stourbridge and Birmingham, sending them back empty carriage stock, how many seats were lost on this line this morning because of this.
Am sure Chiltern don't really care about this end of the line!!!
I know, certainly from Kidderminster the 0710, 0730 and 0809 departures form part of the AM peak commuter service on the Stourbrisge line and more passengers travel to Birmingham than onward towards Marylebone.
Not sure how these fit into Chilterns' franchise agreement though and if they are obligated to run the Stourbridge / Kidderminster extensions. Of course it would be no use asking West Midlands Trains to run these trips instead within the West Midlands as they would not have the stock to do so.
Quote from: D10 on July 05, 2019, 09:12:31 PM
I know, certainly from Kidderminster the 0710, 0730 and 0809 departures form part of the AM peak commuter service on the Stourbrisge line and more passengers travel to Birmingham than onward towards Marylebone.
Not sure how these fit into Chilterns' franchise agreement though and if they are obligated to run the Stourbridge / Kidderminster extensions. Of course it would be no use asking West Midlands Trains to run these trips instead within the West Midlands as they would not have the stock to do so.
Pretty much. With the class 68/dvt/mark 3 coaches, regular line users tend to sit in the business zone until Snow Hill and then, either get off, or move into "standard class". With the class 168s, they can be rammed until Snow Hill, and heavily loaded to Solihull, where the train clears somewhat
07:54 Chiltern Railways service to Solihull and London Marylebone from Birmingham Moor Street. Ran 77 minutes late this morning, turned up at 09:10. With other later departures delayed/cancelled (08:20 and 08:54) It left overcrowded.
Due to a fallen tree completely blocking the line in the Smethwick Galton Bridge area apparently.
Quote from: 2206 on September 24, 2019, 12:03:28 PM
07:54 Chiltern Railways service to Solihull and London Marylebone from Birmingham Moor Street. Ran 77 minutes late this morning, turned up at 09:10. With other later departures delayed/cancelled (08:20 and 08:54) It left overcrowded.
Due to a fallen tree completely blocking the line in the Smethwick Galton Bridge area apparently.
15:54 cancelled, 16:17 also cancelled from Solihull to Kidderminster due to train crew shortage
16:13 to Dorridge also cancelled.
Can they not just run a reliable service between Dorridge and Platform 3 Moor Street. Seems to be a fair bit of disruption, with cancellations this evening as well.
Seems poor.
6842 on the X2 has also just left Solihull heavily overcrowded. Possibly because of how poor the trains are today.
Quote from: 2206 on September 24, 2019, 04:03:52 PM
16:17 also cancelled from Solihull to Kidderminster.
Can they not just run a reliable service between Dorridge and Platform 3 Moor Street. Seems to be a dair bit of disruption, with cancellations this evening as well.
Seems poor.
What do you expect with the amount of flooding, and a tree which had fallen onto the line earlier? Weather conditions are not the fault of train operators, short staff however is
Quote from: D10 on July 05, 2019, 09:12:31 PM
I know, certainly from Kidderminster the 0710, 0730 and 0809 departures form part of the AM peak commuter service on the Stourbrisge line and more passengers travel to Birmingham than onward towards Marylebone.
Not sure how these fit into Chilterns' franchise agreement though and if they are obligated to run the Stourbridge / Kidderminster extensions. Of course it would be no use asking West Midlands Trains to run these trips instead within the West Midlands as they would not have the stock to do so.
Don't some of the Chiltern units stable in or around Kidderminster?
Quote from: markcf83 on September 24, 2019, 05:19:30 PM
Don't some of the Chiltern units stable in or around Kidderminster?
They do, and a few start from Kidderminster. The tree has been removed, but the line will probably be delayed for the rest of the day
Quote from: markcf83 on September 24, 2019, 05:19:30 PM
Don't some of the Chiltern units stable in or around Kidderminster?
Stourbridge.
Due to come back from London tommorow on a hybrid set. Looked and this is silver carriages and commuter carriages together. So is this a class 68 paired with the likes of a 165?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 09, 2020, 08:39:47 AM
Due to come back from London tommorow on a hybrid set. Looked and this is silver carriages and commuter carriages together. So is this a class 68 paired with the likes of a 165?
There's no such thing as a 'Hybrid' set on Chiltern
Quote from: Tony on February 09, 2020, 09:10:40 AM
There's no such thing as a 'Hybrid' set on Chiltern
Go on chiltern railways website and look at timetable and find the code H, it says hybrid sets
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 09, 2020, 09:17:54 AM
Go on chiltern railways website and look at timetable and find the code H, it says hybrid sets
The description says what it is.
165+168
Quote from: Tony on February 09, 2020, 09:59:02 AM
The description says what it is.
165+168
Where's it say that?
Notes & Symbols (on the back page of the CR timetable book):
"H Hybrid train comprised of both silver and commuter carriages"
The class 168s are silver and the class 165s & class 171s are commuter. CR have not got enough Class 168 units to run all the MYB to OXF & BMO / BSW services with 168s only so CR couple a class 165 or 171 unit to a 168 unit.
I don't think that you could couple a Class 68 and MkIII coaches to a unit and run it in service. Also most CR platforms are not long enough for that anyway.
This website shows which CR services are operated by Class 68s:
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/frequently-requested-diagrams.170615/#post-3665713
If you are referring to the 18:47 from London Marylebone, it will be a 172+168; not a 165+168.
Quote from: Straightlines on February 09, 2020, 10:47:51 AM
If you are referring to the 18:47 from London Marylebone, it will be a 172+168; not a 165+168.
That's the one I'll be boarding. This allocated more than 4 carriages?
Although the hauled trains were not documented as such for years, they have recently started to show as hauled, rather wierdly with a 68 tonne timing load.
(I haven't checked if they are accurate though)
Quote from: Straightlines on February 09, 2020, 10:47:51 AM
If you are referring to the 18:47 from London Marylebone, it will be a 172+168; not a 165+168.
Was just 2 168s joined together tonight
So went to get the 10:12 from Snow hill to Marylebone shown ontime until cancelled last minute. Was cancelled due to a late running train in front of it. So it appears it only made it as far as moor street. All passengers informed to go and catch the train to moor street. Arrived into moor street at 10:18, the 10:15 Marylebone train had gone. Surely a bit of coordination could have ensured all those affected could have got the 10:15 train had they have delayed it by a few more minutes. Bit of a mick take in this day and age
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 10, 2020, 10:21:49 PM
Was just 2 168s joined together tonight
So went to get the 10:12 from Snow hill to Marylebone shown ontime until cancelled last minute. Was cancelled due to a late running train in front of it. So it appears it only made it as far as moor street. All passengers informed to go and catch the train to moor street. Arrived into moor street at 10:18, the 10:15 Marylebone train had gone. Surely a bit of coordination could have ensured all those affected could have got the 10:15 train had they have delayed it by a few more minutes. Bit of a mick take in this day and age
You must have been unlucky then. They held the 10:15 train until 10:18 1/2!
Quote from: Tony on February 11, 2020, 06:13:17 AM
You must have been unlucky then. They held the 10:15 train until 10:18 1/2!
Yep got the WM trains from snow hill about 10:16!!
Anyone havd an idea how busy Moor St to Marylebone trains are currently and the return trip? Catching the 10.15 from Moor St, anyome know the train type etc? Always wanted a ride on a 165 but very much doubt i'd find one. Never managed to get a loco hauled either
Quote from: Bob on September 20, 2020, 07:37:55 PM
Anyone havd an idea how busy Moor St to Marylebone trains are currently and the return trip? Catching the 10.15 from Moor St, anyome know the train type etc? Always wanted a ride on a 165 but very much doubt i'd find one. Never managed to get a loco hauled either
The 165s run on the Birmingham to Leamington shuttles (odd hours:34 from Moor Street)
In terms of the loco hauled services, this is the best I could find, but given the current situation, I don't know how accurate they are
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/frequently-requested-diagrams.170615/
Quote from: Sh4318 on September 21, 2020, 10:01:30 AM
The 165s run on the Birmingham to Leamington shuttles (odd hours:34 from Moor Street)
In terms of the loco hauled services, this is the best I could find, but given the current situation, I don't know how accurate they are
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/frequently-requested-diagrams.170615/
The 10.15 has been cancelled on Sat and the 34 mins past is scheduled to run to Marylebone...maybe itll be a 165
It seems that there will be no Chiltern services North of Banbury for 4 weeks from 13th December :cry:
https://www.chilternrailways.co.uk/strike
Could anyone tell me which trips if any from Moir St to Solihull are loco hauled?
Quote from: Bob on March 19, 2023, 01:48:55 PMCould anyone tell me which trips if any from Moir St to Solihull are loco hauled?
Chiltern track on RTT now
Through services between Kidderminster and London Marylebone will be withdrawn from 21 May. Services will start and terminate at Stourbridge Junction with through Monday to Friday services reduced in each direction.
QuoteThrough services between Kidderminster and London Marylebone will be withdrawn from 21 May. Services will start and terminate at Stourbridge Junction with through Monday to Friday services reduced in each direction.
Probably to strengthen their Birmingham to London Marylebone which is going to be every 30 mins
No they aren't - I thought they were when the new timetable first appeared but they aren't shown as such now.
Quote from: BK63 YWP on March 21, 2023, 06:37:27 PMProbably to strengthen their Birmingham to London Marylebone which is going to be every 30 mins
No change in frequency to now. The service currently runs at 20/40 frequency from Moor Street to London so they are just making the timetable more even.
QuoteNo change in frequency to now. The service currently runs at 20/40 frequency from Moor Street to London so they are just making the timetable more even.
Yes to line up with the new snow hill lines timetable. WMR regular pattern will now be roughly every 15 mins. Departures will be xx.05 Whitlocks End, xx.21 Dorridge, xx.35 Stratford via Whitlocks, xx.51 Stratford via Dorridge. Also the Chiltern Snow Hill services are being cut. Departures from snow hill will be 06.41, 08.11, 09.11, 10.11, 12.11, 14.11, 15.11 (to Leamington Spa), 16.11, 17.11, 18.11, 20.11, 21.11, 22.16 (to Banbury), 23.41 (to Banbury)
Anyobe know which moir st to london marylebone trips and vice versa are loco hauled?
Quote from: Bob on July 16, 2023, 01:13:58 PMAnyobe know which moir st to london marylebone trips and vice versa are loco hauled?
Have a look on real time trains
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 16, 2023, 05:39:46 PMHave a look on real time trains
What good will that do?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 17, 2023, 08:47:01 AMIt tells you?!!!!
Which ones are marked as loco hauled? They are all timed as units
QuoteWhich ones are marked as loco hauled? They are all timed as units
Realtime Trains | 1J49 1707 London Marylebone to Stourbridge Junction | 11/07/2023 (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G55793/2023-07-11/detailed#allox_id=0)
Academic this week as they do not use then when Aslef have an o/t ban.
Chiltern Railways is tendering for between 25 and 70 replacement vehicles (existing stock rather than new build) to be available for driver training in 2024 and entry into service by early 2025. Class 175s or Mk5a coaches would seem to be among the fovourites.
https://bidstats.uk/tenders/2023/W51/813170912
Waiting at Haddenham & Thame Parkway yesterday morning (Wednesday 31/01/24) for the 07:30 London Marylebone (none stop service from Haddenham), the driver completely overshot the platform with all 8 carriages ending up outside the platform. The train remained stationary for a few minutes (as can be testified by looking at Real Train Times) and then carried on regardless. I didn't expect it would or could reverse although the line was used as bidirectional during the landslip issues further north a few weeks back.
For the very many of us on the cold platform, we had to wait for the 08:03. Not too shocking but slightly problematic when you are welcoming guests to your office (an easily solved issue). What is worse is for those planning to get off at Haddenham. Real Train times isn't clear but it suggests the train didn't stop further down the line meaning those getting off would have needed to take the 08:35 back from London arriving approx 110 minutes later that they should at 09:19. The 08:11 from Marylebone appearing not to be held for those returning passengers (which isn't a massive surprise).
The 08:03 was 5 cars rather than 6 which at first sounds bad but I believe the normal service starts at Stourbridge and is loco hauled. We had a pair of 168s starting in Birmingham. Very cramped in the vestibule area but not sure the loco hauled service would have been better
Has anyone else had this issues before where the train driver fails to stop in time. You could smell the brakes but could also see he was heading into and through the station far too fast, again not a surprise.
Quote from: Budgie on February 01, 2024, 08:51:00 PMWaiting at Haddenham & Thame Parkway yesterday morning (Wednesday 31/01/24) for the 07:30 London Marylebone (none stop service from Haddenham), the driver completely overshot the platform with all 8 carriages ending up outside the platform. The train remained stationary for a few minutes (as can be testified by looking at Real Train Times) and then carried on regardless. I didn't expect it would or could reverse although the line was used as bidirectional during the landslip issues further north a few weeks back.
For the very many of us on the cold platform, we had to wait for the 08:03. Not too shocking but slightly problematic when you are welcoming guests to your office (an easily solved issue). What is worse is for those planning to get off at Haddenham. Real Train times isn't clear but it suggests the train didn't stop further down the line meaning those getting off would have needed to take the 08:35 back from London arriving approx 110 minutes later that they should at 09:19. The 08:11 from Marylebone appearing not to be held for those returning passengers (which isn't a massive surprise).
The 08:03 was 5 cars rather than 6 which at first sounds bad but I believe the normal service starts at Stourbridge and is loco hauled. We had a pair of 168s starting in Birmingham. Very cramped in the vestibule area but not sure the loco hauled service would have been better
Has anyone else had this issues before where the train driver fails to stop in time. You could smell the brakes but could also see he was heading into and through the station far too fast, again not a surprise.
I've known it a few times over the years, normally due to bad railhead conditions. Normally the drivers are given permission to reverse