West Midlands Bus joint routes

[Westy]

Has Diamond ever operated a version of the 4M?

[Stu]

As a concept, limiting this to the 31/32 and 42/43 co-operation is the best outcome for now, in order to assess how things work out for both operators.

It would be foolish to try and rush together any other co-operations.

I would guess it may be six months to a year before any further developments happen, that should be enough time for both operators and TfWM to assess matters.

[winston]

What makes you think they wouldn't?

They are continuously looking for cost saving opportunities and PVR reduction.

It's not cost savings and Pvr reductions though, it would be revenue sharing.

[Straightlines]

It's not cost savings and Pvr reductions though, it would be revenue sharing.

That's very debatable

[winston]

That's very debatable

Not in the case of the 4M which we were actually talking about.

The 42/43 & 31/32 have benefitted both operators through Pvr reductions & cost savings.

[BK63 YWP]

That's very debatable

It's a TfWM idea not NXs if they wanted to reduce PVR they would have asked to do more of these co op routes.

I don't diamond were too thrilled with the idea.
@Simon Dunn how is new WM bus working well on the 42/3?

[metrocity]

That's very debatable

The first two have both resulted in PVR savings I think (both operators). It all sounds abit anti competive to me but I presume TFWM have carried out the relevant tests?

[Straightlines]

The first two have both resulted in PVR savings I think (both operators). It all sounds but anti competive to me but I presume TFWM have carried out the relevant tests?

You would assume so.

I understand the 4 was the initial route that this was looked at for a partnership, but they have ultimately moved on to the 42/43, 31/32. However, I bow to the superior knowledge of @Winston as I clearly have no idea what I'm on about!

[Sh4318]

Has Diamond ever operated a version of the 4M?

They operated it briefly when it was introduced at an hourly frequency

[metrocity]

You would assume so.

I understand the 4 was the initial route that this was looked at for a partnership, but they have ultimately moved on to the 42/43, 31/32. However, I bow to the superior knowledge of @Winston as I clearly have no idea what I'm on about!

I would assume nothing as far as TFWM is concerned

[winston]

You would assume so.

I understand the 4 was the initial route that this was looked at for a partnership, but they have ultimately moved on to the 42/43, 31/32. However, I bow to the superior knowledge of @Winston as I clearly have no idea what I'm on about!

The 4 was initially the corridor being looked at for co-ordinated joint operation. But as the topic of discussion related to Diamond  operating on the 4M, I don't know why your getting your knickers in a twist, one day we may see you post something positive instead of all the negativity!

[Trident 4194]

The 4 was initially the corridor being looked at for co-ordinated joint operation. But as the topic of discussion related to Diamond  operating on the 4M, I don't know why your getting your knickers in a twist, one day we may see you post something positive instead of all the negativity!

The 4 corridor both operate correct? The 4H corridor diamond offer 4 buses per hour nx 3 buses per hour. And diamond start earlier more frequently. The 4M corridor diamond could take up if tfwm offered? It's only the same as diamond extending to Dudley on the 42. I've heard that the 4/4H/4M will be operated by tfwm.

[Kevin]

The 4 corridor both operate correct? The 4H corridor diamond offer 4 buses per hour nx 3 buses per hour. And diamond start earlier more frequently. The 4M corridor diamond could take up if tfwm offered? It's only the same as diamond extending to Dudley on the 42. I've heard that the 4/4H/4M will be operated by tfwm.

He has a valid point.
I think though there is logic in keeping the concept on local routes like the 42/43 & 31/32 as a trial, perhaps the 40 would be a logical extension of that trial

[Straightlines]

He has a valid point.
I think though there is logic in keeping the concept on local routes like the 42/43 & 31/32 as a trial, perhaps the 40 would be a logical extension of that trial

Apologies if it has, I haven't seen personally but has it been confirmed anywhere as an actual 'trial'?

It is going to be very hard to revert back if it is actually a trial.

[metrocity]

Apologies if it has, I haven't seen personally but has it been confirmed anywhere as an actual 'trial'?

It is going to be very hard to revert back if it is actually a trial.

"Soft Launch" was the term used - whatever that means