https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/midlands/Latest/cannock--stafford-routes-to-be-withdrawn-on-evenings--sundays-from-1-april-2018/
Looks like service 3A will be run by Tamworth as no change.
Only being ran by tamworth on Sundays
This is terrible, cutting service times down to as early as 4 in the afternoon???
Most of it down to Tory council subsidy cuts. The ones Trainbasher reckons are fine
Quote from: Bob on February 26, 2018, 05:02:10 PM
Most of it down to Tory council subsidy cuts. The ones Trainbasher reckons are fine
I was referring to how little used services which the ratepayer is ratepayer is playing stupid money for when only 2 or 3 people are using them.
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 26, 2018, 07:15:24 PM
I was referring to how little used services which the ratepayer is ratepayer is playing stupid money for when only 2 or 3 people are using them.
More than 2 or 3 people use them i can assure you. You havent a clue. For example the 1145 pm stafford to cannock route was always at least half full sometimes more every single time ive caught it. Admittedly many people were older pass holders but it was certainly decently used. Also do you not think people have to get home from work of an evening? Or to work on a Sunday. Typical Tory tripe coming out of your mouth, know the price of everything and the value of nothing
Nationalisation is the answer 😉
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 26, 2018, 08:37:17 PM
Nationalisation is the answer 😉
Haven't you noticed? These services are being withdrawn because of a lack of money from local government. What makes you think the money would suddenly be found if local government were running the buses? (Ignoring the political arguments as the same people would still be in power)
Quote from: Tony on February 26, 2018, 08:39:06 PM
Haven't you noticed? These services are being withdrawn because of a lack of money from local government. What makes you think the money would suddenly be found if local government were running the buses? (Ignoring the political arguments as the same people would still be in power)
I personally dont believe Staffs County Council ( millions on swanky new offices and a brand new library for Stafford the third in about 25 years!!!) Cant afford it, id say its more Tory ideology based. Staffs have never really been bothered about buses to be honest!
Maybe all these cuts will be enough to make Arriva cut their losses in Cannock?
Quote from: Tony on February 26, 2018, 08:39:06 PM
Haven't you noticed? These services are being withdrawn because of a lack of money from local government. What makes you think the money would suddenly be found if local government were running the buses? (Ignoring the political arguments as the same people would still be in power)
To be honest though the government waste money on other things, bus services of an evening/ Sundays are surely crucial in order to achieve their objective of full employment, as cutting services then stops mobility of labour- which then means unemployment increases, then gov has to spend more money and has less tax revenue through incomes- its a complete circle.
The government doesn't spend its limited amount of money in the correct way in my opinion
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 26, 2018, 09:07:00 PM
To be honest though the government waste money on other things, bus services of an evening/ Sundays are surely crucial in order to achieve their objective of full employment, as cutting services then stops mobility of labour- which then means unemployment increases, then gov has to spend more money and has less tax revenue through incomes- its a complete circle.
The government doesn't spend its limited amount of money in the correct way in my opinion
So in one paragraph you've just defeated your own argument for nationalisation
Quote from: Tony on February 26, 2018, 09:15:10 PM
So in one paragraph you've just defeated your own argument for nationalisation
Nationalised bus services locally werent that bad Tony? Midland Red North were a lot more reliable and kept buses in a better state than Arriva. They didnt use lightweight midi buses totally unsuited to interurban routes either. West Midlands PTE also ran a pretty decent service as well...
Quote from: Tony on February 26, 2018, 09:15:10 PM
So in one paragraph you've just defeated your own argument for nationalisation
The nationalisation statement was to try and provoke a response/ debate.
Quote from: Bob on February 26, 2018, 09:21:30 PM
Nationalised bus services locally werent that bad Tony? Midland Red North were a lot more reliable and kept buses in a better state than Arriva. They didnt use lightweight midi buses totally unsuited to interurban routes either. West Midlands PTE also ran a pretty decent service as well...
Midland Red North were a private company and used even more unsuitable Ford Transits and LDV Sherpas on routes. The PTE was fine as long as you lived near a main road, or next door to a councillor. But my point isn't about which idea is better. It is just pointing out that a service completely under control of politicians is even more at the whim of whoever is in power at the time than the current system, so when a council cuts subsidised services like many are now chances are the same would happen with a privatised company, and possibly even more by draining any money from profitable services.
You probably get a decent service as well, if you live on the same road/route as the local bus garage!
Quote from: Tony on February 26, 2018, 10:20:59 PM
Midland Red North were a private company and used even more unsuitable Ford Transits and LDV Sherpas on routes. The PTE was fine as long as you lived near a main road, or next door to a councillor. But my point isn't about which idea is better. It is just pointing out that a service completely under control of politicians is even more at the whim of whoever is in power at the time than the current system, so when a council cuts subsidised services like many are now chances are the same would happen with a privatised company, and possibly even more by draining any money from profitable services.
Only from 1988 ( MRN) and they used transits on several defunct routes thst no longer exist ( 27/28 23 etc) which penetrated local housing estates. These complimented full sized bus routes not replaced them
Quote from: Bob on February 27, 2018, 05:37:48 AM
Only from 1988 ( MRN) and they used transits on several defunct routes thst no longer exist ( 27/28 23 etc) which penetrated local housing estates. These complimented full sized bus routes not replaced them
They were on the Pye Green, and were used when needed anywhere, same as the buses you're moaning about
Yes and also serving pye green road were full size buses on 862 up to the Piper, up to Stadium on 838 and all the way on 301! 862 complimented belt road circular and X31 and 156 served Chadsmoor
The new timetable leaflets are available to download as PDFs at https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/midlands/updates/changes-to-services-in-cannock--stafford-areas-from-1-april-2018/
Pitty they couldn't finish the evening services at 8pm at least. I used to catch the 154 from wolves when coming from the train station after going on train trips which last till about 6pm, if im lucky during the rush hour and how reliable London midland was lol. Now i feel that i have to rush back to wolves for the last bus home. Cant see them going for much longer now
Hopefully theyll cut the losses and do one...stafford must be haemorraging money considering they usually get cannocks crappest vehicles...although that isnt saying a lot
Last bus to wolves on a sat 5.16pm??? Thats ridiculous! Presumably in the week nobody finishes work after half 5? Good god
Quote from: Bob on March 08, 2018, 08:52:20 PM
Last bus to wolves on a sat 5.16pm??? Thats ridiculous! Presumably in the week nobody finishes work after half 5? Good god
Well if it isn't being used, why should operators run it and why should taxpayers fund it?
Isnt there changes to services to other operators operating in Staffs, besides Arriva, Nx & Select Buses & also parts of South Staffs, such as Perton, Wombourne & Codsall?
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 08, 2018, 09:55:28 PM
Well if it isn't being used, why should operators run it and why should taxpayers fund it?
All of them are used...just not enough to be profitable.people rely on them to get to and from woek like my aunt who works nights in stafford starting at 1030 pm. And many others. You obviously dont understand what socially necessary means.
Loads of other public services dont make a profit maybe we should close all parks, leisure centres libraries?
Quote from: Bob on March 09, 2018, 06:36:57 AM
All of them are used...just not enough to be profitable.people rely on them to get to and from woek like my aunt who works nights in stafford starting at 1030 pm. And many others. You obviously dont understand what socially necessary means.
Loads of other public services dont make a profit maybe we should close all parks, leisure centres libraries?
Well if it isn't covering it's costs, then why should the taxpayer subsidise it?
Quote from: Westy on March 08, 2018, 10:31:15 PM
Isnt there changes to services to other operators operating in Staffs, besides Arriva, Nx & Select Buses & also parts of South Staffs, such as Perton, Wombourne & Codsall?
Hopefully a full list at https://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/transport/publictransport/buses/Plan-your-journey/Forthcomingbusservice.aspx sometime soon.
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 09, 2018, 11:33:57 AM
Well if it isn't covering it's costs, then why should the taxpayer subsidise it?
Given I understand you work in the public sector for one of our local authorities, I find your constant negativity surrounding subsidised bus services and the pointless FOI Requests most ironic!
Hes said before hes a Tory. Nuff said😂😂😂😂😂
Whats the point of operating 4 journeys on the 2e?
Why not operate them as normal 2's instead!
(Or is there an issue operating onto Turnberry & down my road at those times? Would be less confusing!)
Quote from: Westy on March 09, 2018, 07:14:12 PM
Whats the point of operating 4 journeys on the 2e?
Why not operate them as normal 2's instead!
(Or is there an issue operating onto Turnberry & down my road at those times? Would be less confusing!)
I said this at the time... why not just extend the 1 and 2 for that extra couple of journeys.