Just thought i'd start a new topic on Hansons to see what others think of this company overall. It's great that they've acquired a new service 004 to and from Harborne to Merry Hill which people are happy to have back and today I traveled on one of there Enviro 200's which was a well looked after bus and someone was saying if the 004 is successful then it could be increased to every 20 minutes and when I got on the bus in Harborne it was very busy and more popular than I thought it would have been for a new route.
Quote from: Mike360 on June 06, 2012, 03:28:31 PM
Just thought i'd start a new topic on Hansons to see what others think of this company overall. It's great that they've acquired a new service 004 to and from Harborne to Merry Hill which people are happy to have back and today I traveled on one of there Enviro 200's which was a well looked after bus and someone was saying if the 004 is successful then it could be increased to every 20 minutes and when I got on the bus in Harborne it was very busy and more popular than I thought it would have been for a new route.
I don't ever use Hanson buses, but they've got a good range of buses, from E200s, E300s and 29F darts
As for the 004, I'm not sure why it has withdrawn, it doesn't go the same way as the 636, and provides people who live on the Ridgacre road, a service to Halesowen. I'm glad it's been reinstated
Hanson's seem like a high quality independent, I'm not sure they can grow much bigger at their current garages premises in Lye though, I think it's a tight squeeze as it is.
The 004 always used to be pretty busy under Ludlow's, not as busy as the 002 but still carried good loads, that route went downhill hill when Diamond curtailed it to operate Harborne – Halesowen only, that was the nail in its coffin
Might give the 004 a try this week along with going to the Black country and Chelmsley Wood. Yes, i like Hanson's a lot. They are a bit like Claribels to be honest-high quality independant though I have heard several rumours that Arriva are trying to tempt the owners with huge cheques!!! Yet, for me it is a shame that they dont have a website maybe this is something that they and Claribels could do to improve.
Talking of Hansons, I saw on VOSA today that they had registered a Sunday service on the 227 to Kinver for one day only on the 17th June. Does anybody know what is happening on that day?
Do Hansons operate Sunday services?
Quote from: D10 on June 06, 2012, 09:14:31 PM
Talking of Hansons, I saw on VOSA today that they had registered a Sunday service on the 227 to Kinver for one day only on the 17th June. Does anybody know what is happening on that day?
Quote from: 4504 on June 06, 2012, 11:03:54 PM
Do Hansons operate Sunday services?
I can confirm it is only a special one day service for the Kinver Fair.
Quote from: Peter123 on June 06, 2012, 06:55:54 PM
several rumours that Arriva are trying to tempt the owners with huge cheques!!!
That rumour has been said for Midland and Rotala too but not National Express - I wonder why! I was talking to the Hansons owner the other day about the runours and she has said that she has no intention to sell at all.
Quote from: Tomjusttom on June 07, 2012, 12:13:58 AM
Quote from: Peter123 on June 06, 2012, 06:55:54 PM
several rumours that Arriva are trying to tempt the owners with huge cheques!!!
That rumour has been said for Midland and Rotala too but not National Express - I wonder why! I was talking to the Hansons owner the other day about the runours and she has said that she has no intention to sell at all.
Thats good then. itll be good to see Hansons remain as a high quality family owned independant for which I felt sorry when diamond muscled in on the 226.....
Yeh Peter...... Typical laziness on diamonds part to set up on an existing route and not develop their own...
I would suggest though that with Arriva winning all the centro contracts Rotala in the West mids are looking at tougher times ahead.
Diamond seem to do well on their commercial services they operate but agree would be good for them to develop some new routes or for example try some new things with their exisiting service im sure a sunday service on the 002 would be a good try out as im sure shoppers would use it for Merry Hill even if its a 002E between Halesowen and Merry Hill
Quote from: hartshill busman on June 07, 2012, 03:04:55 PM
Yeh Peter...... Typical laziness on diamonds part to set up on an existing route and not develop their own...
I would suggest though that with Arriva winning all the centro contracts Rotala in the West mids are looking at tougher times ahead.
I agree and Rotala are looking at tough times ahead with the Arriva presence. If I were them, I would close Redditch, and keep a small high quality commercial operation of the Solihull Signature routes, a high quality 10H, the 56, 50, 301, 404E, 16 and try to reintroduce the 87, 120 or 74. I would try to buy out Claribels and aim for around a 100 vehicle operation with perhaps a small flights hallmark coaching operation.
Quote from: Tomjusttom on June 07, 2012, 12:13:58 AM
Quote from: Peter123 on June 06, 2012, 06:55:54 PM
That rumour has been said for Midland and Rotala too but not National Express - I wonder why!
As regards Arriva not being interest in National Express, it may have something to do with the minor difference in price tags between the above companies of some £940 Million based on today's closing price, NXWM are part of a large multinational group and I very much doubt NXWM would be sold off individually even it Arriva were interested, as it produces high profit margins. Plus any deal would no doubt attract interest from the competition commission. It's also questionable whether Deut she Bahn (Arriva's parent company) could finance another deal of that size, even at NX's current low share price, NX are worth more than what DB paid for Arriva
I think the comment was that NX arent interested in Hanson's not that Arriva isnt interested in NX(WM).
Quote from: Peter123 on June 07, 2012, 04:56:28 PM
I think the comment was that NX arent interested in Hanson's not that Arriva isnt interested in NX(WM).
Oh, that wasn't how I read it,
Again even if NX were interested in either of those companies, I would have thought the Competition Commission would block any takeover attempts / impose restrictions due to percentage share of the WM market that NXWM already has
Quote from: Winston on June 07, 2012, 04:45:56 PM
Quote from: Tomjusttom on June 07, 2012, 12:13:58 AM
Quote from: Peter123 on June 06, 2012, 06:55:54 PM
That rumour has been said for Midland and Rotala too but not National Express - I wonder why!
As regards Arriva not being interest in National Express, it may have something to do with the minor difference in price tags between the above companies of some £940 Million based on today's closing price, NXWM are part of a large multinational group and I very much doubt NXWM would be sold off individually even it Arriva were interested, as it produces high profit margins. Plus any deal would no doubt attract interest from the competition commission. It's also questionable whether Deut she Bahn (Arriva's parent company) could finance another deal of that size, even at NX's current low share price, NX are worth more than what DB paid for Arriva
I was being sarcastic with the "I wonder why" bit!
Quote from: Tomjusttom on June 07, 2012, 12:09:57 AM
Quote from: D10 on June 06, 2012, 09:14:31 PM
Talking of Hansons, I saw on VOSA today that they had registered a Sunday service on the 227 to Kinver for one day only on the 17th June. Does anybody know what is happening on that day?
Quote from: 4504 on June 06, 2012, 11:03:54 PM
Do Hansons operate Sunday services?
I can confirm it is only a special one day service for the Kinver Fair.
Thanks Tom that explains it!
Wouldnt you think rotalas midland operation would fit better with arrivas plans ? As that would overnight make them second largest operator in the centro area without competition commision issues.
Quote from: hartshill busman on June 08, 2012, 03:37:10 PM
Wouldnt you think rotalas midland operation would fit better with arrivas plans ? As that would overnight make them second largest operator in the centro area without competition commision issues.
Possible but with the past takeover of chase arriva made no effort in walsall and just packed up. Plus being everything is run by thurmaston head offfice the garage manangement is just for show they have no clue how to compete NX would just flood arrivas main areas and wipe them out also a lot of rotalas fleet needs investment and do not forget redditch first already compete with arriva in leicester and stoke (wardles) do they want to be attacked on all fronts I do not think so.
I hear what you say Dave but all the bus companies that work in the Shires seem to be looking enviously at PTE regions as the money dries up.It was curious why Arriva bought Chase and then pulled back.But Rotala bought loads of small operators to build an empire then gave most of the routes up.Perhaps NXWM have more muscle than we know.
Oh and they also have a tied up clientelle in their travelcard business. ;)
I got the Hanson's 004 today. SN55 dart in as new condition, polite driver, fast journey with about 10 people on the journey as a whole which isnt bad for a newly reintroduced route. I think it's a handy link and I hope that Hanson's do well on the route!
Quote from: hartshill busman on June 08, 2012, 05:08:20 PM
I hear what you say Dave but all the bus companies that work in the Shires seem to be looking enviously at PTE regions as the money dries up.It was curious why Arriva bought Chase and then pulled back.But Rotala bought loads of small operators to build an empire then gave most of the routes up.Perhaps NXWM have more muscle than we know.
The past arriva md (not Bob Hind) wanted to expand cannock back into the west midlands and the number 1 was a result of this seeing chase were doing well but there nose was put out of joint so they put on a 860 with cheaper fares and hitting cannock hard. I think arriva only bought chase to get rid of them off the 1 and 860. There attitude seems to be not to compete but offer to buy if they are big like NXWM just go away and even though it is illegal I think there was an aggreement between Nx and arriva with regards to them going out of cannock and now arriva doing all cannock walsall routes it just seems too cosy
Quote from: Discodave on June 09, 2012, 10:13:23 PM
Quote from: hartshill busman on June 08, 2012, 05:08:20 PM
I hear what you say Dave but all the bus companies that work in the Shires seem to be looking enviously at PTE regions as the money dries up.It was curious why Arriva bought Chase and then pulled back.But Rotala bought loads of small operators to build an empire then gave most of the routes up.Perhaps NXWM have more muscle than we know.
The past arriva md (not Bob Hind) wanted to expand cannock back into the west midlands and the number 1 was a result of this seeing chase were doing well but there nose was put out of joint so they put on a 860 with cheaper fares and hitting cannock hard. I think arriva only bought chase to get rid of them off the 1 and 860. There attitude seems to be not to compete but offer to buy if they are big like NXWM just go away and even though it is illegal I think there was an aggreement between Nx and arriva with regards to them going out of cannock and now arriva doing all cannock walsall routes it just seems too cosy
These days most bus groups don't tend to tread on either others toes, bus wars generally seem to be a thing of the past. First & Stagecoach seem to have a few skirmishes, particularly in North Devon & South Yorkshire. Pre the Arriva takeover of Chase there was talk that NXWM (TWM at the time) may have been negotiation with Arriva to buy their Cannock operations and possibly operate them from Walsall. I think if Arriva's plan is to have a larger WM operation they are more likely to go down the acquisition route, this will reduce the risk of starting from scratch and give them a platform to expand from
Shame the 55 dart on the 004 has a massive scrape down the side
Quote from: bususer12 on September 11, 2012, 12:07:04 AM
Shame the 55 dart on the 004 has a massive scrape down the side
Its had this for ages if its the huge one down the offside thats usually on the 004
Was in Merry Hill bus station yesterday bus spotting and couldnt help but notice the lack of passengers on Hansons buses. Max I saw was about 4 people on one bus-a 226 I think... How can they afford new buses/make a profit with such small numbers of ppl using their services, many of whom are oaps??
Quote from: Peter123 on September 23, 2012, 08:50:18 PM
Was in Merry Hill bus station yesterday bus spotting and couldnt help but notice the lack of passengers on Hansons buses. Max I saw was about 4 people on one bus-a 226 I think... How can they afford new buses/make a profit with such small numbers of ppl using their services, many of whom are oaps??
May be they are losing out to diamond, i wouldnt know as i dont use the service.
Actually diamond are not doing well according to the figures i have seen. Some 226s of Hansons make a decent profit unlike the daytime 226 of diamonds which makes a massive loss. According to several diamond 226 drivers they are coming off it anyway next month so won't be long
Quote from: Tomjusttom on September 23, 2012, 09:50:14 PM
Actually diamond are not doing well according to the figures i have seen. Some 226s of Hansons make a decent profit unlike the daytime 226 of diamonds which makes a massive loss. According to several diamond 226 drivers they are coming off it anyway next month so won't be long
Im suprised diamond have been on it for so long if their making a huge loss and its has it been registered on VOSA that their coming of it next month? not suprised though have seen a couple of diamond darts leaving Dudley on the 226 with 5/6 people on board only.
passenger power works the non compliant diamond buses are going hooray
Quote from: Discodave on September 25, 2012, 10:19:21 AM
passenger power works the non compliant diamond buses are going hooray
Very perverse. Let's celebrate an all day 7 day a week operator pulling off, whilst the daytime 6 days a week (when not crashing into bus shelters) op remains.... ???
Quote from: Discodave on September 25, 2012, 10:19:21 AM
passenger power works the non compliant diamond buses are going hooray
When and if diamond does pull off the 226 i bet this will mean goodbye to the £2 Return ticket from Hansons. People moan about diamond but at least they offer cheap return tickets on services that compete with other operators meaning they lower there fare to, competition is good for lots of reasons one is that at least the 226 is currently every 15 minutes and will be reduced back to every 30 minutes when they pull off.
Quote from: Ash on September 25, 2012, 04:16:50 PM
Quote from: Discodave on September 25, 2012, 10:19:21 AM
passenger power works the non compliant diamond buses are going hooray
When and if diamond does pull off the 226 i bet this will mean goodbye to the £2 Return ticket from Hansons. People moan about diamond but at least they offer cheap return tickets on services that compete with other operators meaning they lower there fare to, competition is good for lots of reasons one is that at least the 226 is currently every 15 minutes and will be reduced back to every 30 minutes when they pull off.
May be Hanson's should consider increasing their 226 frequency to every 2o mins when Diamond withdraw, if they can still make money with the Diamond competition, a frequency increase could possibly grow patronage with all revenue going to Hanson's, obviously Hanson's have much lower operating costs than most
So NEL111P, said 7 days a week operator can get away with having drivers being abusive and running early, not to mention breaking down every day and not bothering to run the service correctly gets branded the good guys and yet Hansons get branded the bad guys for trying to protect a service THEY built up??
I would rather not have a Sunday service than have one with diamond playing silly beggars with it.
And its £2.20 for a Hansons return. Still significantly cheaper then them lot who claim to be swift but in reality put solos on!
Are`nt Evenings and sunday paid by for by a Centro contact.?
DOH !! CONTRACT.
Yes. But of course, diamond don't give two hoots about it, centro don't and even VOSA can't be bothered.
Makes you wonder how diamond gained an extension on the contract
Quote from: hartshill busman on September 25, 2012, 05:04:02 PM
Are`nt Evenings and sunday paid by for by a Centro contact.?
Yes,
I'm sure you wouldn't see Diamond for dust providing an evening / Sunday service without the Centro subsidy
A mutual 2 year contract extension is offered on many three year deals by Centro.
Surely though centro would have reviewed performance. Roll on 2014 then. Good lord.
Then Arriva can have it ;)
Quote from: Tomjusttom on September 25, 2012, 04:49:25 PM
So NEL111P, said 7 days a week operator can get away with having drivers being abusive and running early, not to mention breaking down every day and not bothering to run the service correctly gets branded the good guys and yet Hansons get branded the bad guys for trying to protect a service THEY built up??
I would rather not have a Sunday service than have one with diamond playing silly beggars with it.
Yeah, quite. Judge for yourself with an open mind - & preferably some hard facts to bolster your personal bias.
So i am being biased by saying that my 1805 226 Hansons is being followed by the 1750 226 diamond? as in right up the bumper!
do you work for diamond or something
Quote from: Tomjusttom on September 25, 2012, 06:15:53 PM
So i am being biased by saying that my 1805 226 Hansons is being followed by the 1750 226 diamond? as in right up the bumper!
do you work for diamond or something
So i am being biased by noting several of the 'whiter than white' services running around 13 minutes late for some tangentally obscure reason that couldn't possibly imagined to be related to the 'other' operator being due in 2 minutes.
Yes i work for something.
When i refer to blinkered opinion, i mean if you look closely you will find things wrong with ALL operators. It's the way of the world. Feel free to knock/hate one lot, but not hat it blinkers you to others misgivings.
Another case in point. When diamond initially started on daytime services 1 minute before Hansons, half the drivers of diamond almost hitting twm and Hansons buses.
Some diamond drivers taking diversions via ASDA petrol station with passengers on.
Diamond loading up on the incorrect stand and blocking in everything else like twm.
Diamond drivers running early.
Yes I've seen faults with Hansons but not the likes of 10-20 minutes early on a hourly Sunday service. My colleagues and my partners colleagues have seen numerous faults with diamond. So i am not alone in this
Quote from: Tomjusttom on September 25, 2012, 04:52:12 PM
And its £2.20 for a Hansons return. Still significantly cheaper then them lot who claim to be swift but in reality put solos on!
If its £2.20 for a return how come its says £2 return on the front of there buses or has it increased recently for which i wouldnt have known and you would be correct.
The thing is I like both Hanson's and Diamond, but can't help feeling in this case that the swift 226 has not been run professionally and is a case of muscle in on a not particularly busy service that a small operator has built up. And accidents happen to all operators no matter their calibre
The price part of the sticker has been removed. Notices are inside
Quote from: Tomjusttom on September 25, 2012, 06:58:47 PM
The price part of the sticker has been removed. Notices are inside
Thanks for the information Tomjusttom havent been to Merry Hill or Dudley for a while so havent seen the buses recently.
Quote from: Discodave on September 25, 2012, 10:19:21 AM
passenger power works the non compliant diamond buses are going hooray
Nothing on VOSA, who have you heard this off?
Quote from: Peter123 on September 25, 2012, 06:58:12 PM
The thing is I like both Hanson's and Diamond, but can't help feeling in this case that the swift 226 has not been run professionally and is a case of muscle in on a not particularly busy service that a small operator has built up. And accidents happen to all operators no matter their calibre
I've not really been able to take to Diamond since their predecessors Birmingham Coach Company tried to muscle in on Ludlow's back in 1997. The registered on every single route operated by Ludlows, cleverly timed 5 minutes infront of the existing service. They even went as far as to offer cheaper fares - and even free travel on all services for the first week they operated.
As can be expected their services were busy while the free travel promotion was on, but for the large part passengers remained loyal to Ludlow's and within 6/7 months they withdrew off all services. I can remember some shocking journeys on the 417 and drivers continually tried to block in the other and overtake each other down the Hagley Road.
Its almost quite ironic that Ludlows ended up being sold to the company that once tried to run it off the road, and that over half of their routes have no longer exist.
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Quote from: bususer12 on September 28, 2012, 01:14:38 AM
Quote from: Discodave on September 25, 2012, 10:19:21 AM
passenger power works the non compliant diamond buses are going hooray
Nothing on VOSA, who have you heard this off?
Look at earlier posts before slagging people off was replying to the comment in jest as Diamond were the bully on the 226
Quote from: Tomjusttom on September 25, 2012, 06:15:53 PM
So i am being biased by saying that my 1805 226 Hansons is being followed by the 1750 226 diamond? as in right up the bumper!
do you work for diamond or something
they always do this
Quote from: jondoakley on September 28, 2012, 05:34:46 PM
Quote from: Tomjusttom on September 25, 2012, 06:15:53 PM
So i am being biased by saying that my 1805 226 Hansons is being followed by the 1750 226 diamond? as in right up the bumper!
do you work for diamond or something
they always do this
Like flies round...
Latest bus in the Hansons fleet
KU52YLC
http://tomonthebuses.smugmug.com/Independants/West-Midlands/Hansons/22073351_cJPbtX/2129901794_Q4PHwcd/Medium
In case anybody is interested, Hanson's now have their own website at www.hansonslocalbus.co.uk (http://www.hansonslocalbus.co.uk)
Quote from: Roy on October 06, 2012, 09:16:07 PM
In case anybody is interested, Hanson's now have their own website at www.hansonslocalbus.co.uk (http://www.hansonslocalbus.co.uk)
Always thought they should! Great operator and the bit about having a strong enthusiast following is dead on!
Quote from: Tomjusttom on September 23, 2012, 09:50:14 PM
Actually diamond are not doing well according to the figures i have seen. Some 226s of Hansons make a decent profit unlike the daytime 226 of diamonds which makes a massive loss. According to several diamond 226 drivers they are coming off it anyway next month so won't be long
Always amazes me where these statements come from such as 'according to the figures I have seen' and 'make a decent profit'. Perhaps I missed those meetings.
Quote from: Diamond Geezer on October 15, 2012, 10:22:58 PM
Quote from: Tomjusttom on September 23, 2012, 09:50:14 PM
Actually diamond are not doing well according to the figures i have seen. Some 226s of Hansons make a decent profit unlike the daytime 226 of diamonds which makes a massive loss. According to several diamond 226 drivers they are coming off it anyway next month so won't be long
Always amazes me where these statements come from such as 'according to the figures I have seen' and 'make a decent profit'. Perhaps I missed those meetings.
Thats what Diamond staff on there are saying! plus the wayfarers too.
Quote from: Tomjusttom on October 15, 2012, 10:25:52 PM
Quote from: Diamond Geezer on October 15, 2012, 10:22:58 PM
Quote from: Tomjusttom on September 23, 2012, 09:50:14 PM
Actually diamond are not doing well according to the figures i have seen. Some 226s of Hansons make a decent profit unlike the daytime 226 of diamonds which makes a massive loss. According to several diamond 226 drivers they are coming off it anyway next month so won't be long
Always amazes me where these statements come from such as 'according to the figures I have seen' and 'make a decent profit'. Perhaps I missed those meetings.
Thats what Diamond staff on there are saying! plus the wayfarers too.
Diamond staff (drivers) would not know if the service is making a loss - they would know how much they have taken on their duty. Wayfarers also don't have a profit button. There are factors within a business that determine if a route is making a profit - staff, depot, engineering, fuel and insurance overheads.
Don't know whether they are about to withdraw Hanson 0315, but it was on the 251 today without it's destination display, instead 251 was printed on a piece of paper!
Hi Stu.
0315`s blinds are to use the local lingo BOST at the mo.
Quote from: Tomjusttom on September 25, 2012, 06:15:53 PM
So i am being biased by saying that my 1805 226 Hansons is being followed by the 1750 226 diamond? as in right up the bumper!
do you work for diamond or something
Tom i was talking hansons the other week and one thing they was asked by Bus User Uk all passenger who have a problem with diamond to write in as they are making a case against diamond
Wouldn't be shocked. The route training diamond are getting on the 226 is basically to board a Hansons bus or ask Hansons drivers the route!
I can confirm that 1721, P721RYL, has left Hansons for scrapping. It is no longer in the depot after it was cannabised
With all due respect, you also confirmed there being an Enviro100 so I doubt anyone's going to take you seriously.
The boy who cried wolf springs to mind.
Quote from: Michael on December 06, 2012, 08:35:22 PM
With all due respect, you also confirmed there being an Enviro100 so I doubt anyone's going to take you seriously.
The boy who cried wolf springs to mind.
With all due respect I was joking about that. It seems that there is a collective sense of humour failure on here on how I was being convincing. THIS FORUM IS A BLOODY SHITHOLE
So with all respect how do we know you aren't "joking" now
Quote from: Tomjusttom on December 06, 2012, 08:39:33 PM
THIS FORUM IS A BLOODY SHITHOLE
Bye then, shut the door on the way out....
I understand a Prototype Alexander Dennis Enviro 100 was built (wheel forward) with a view to compete with the popular Optare Solo SR and Wright Streetlite!
I finally got a photo of 1521 today, completing my set of Hansons fleet. I have now updated all pages to my latest spec with full histories on all current vehicles (Unless anyone knows anything different)
see http://wmbusphotos.com/Hansons/fleetlist.html
Unusual working today 2581 was on the 124 possibly as a replacement for 0387 one of the usual two regulars.
0387 might have been off the road or on another route.
2610 is back on the road after problems with it during the snowy period with different display style and a repainted front.
Quote from: trainbasher on February 15, 2013, 12:21:23 AM
2610 is back on the road after problems with it during the snowy period with different display style and a repainted front.
I did notice one Enviro200 had a plain blue front yesterday without a logo. Obviously 2610 then!
2610 back on the road after a minor prang in the snow.This bus seems a little cursed cos thats its third minor bump. :'(
0797 which has been the mainstay of the 124 for many months appeared on the 231 for a nice change of scenery.
Quote from: ade on March 07, 2013, 01:33:42 AM
0797 which has been the mainstay of the 124 for many months appeared on the 231 for a nice change of scenery.
Wonder where 0030 was then, as that is usually the regular 231 bus
All I want to say is well done in getting the 226 tendered from diamond run by one popular operator now.
Wat journeys will the tendered 226 work cover evenings/early mornings ?
Quote from: Discodave on March 07, 2013, 04:17:41 PM
All I want to say is well done in getting the 226 tendered from diamond run by one popular operator now.
Great I will be more confidant that the bus will not appear 10 mins early now on the way home from the pub!
With reference to tenders,as mentioned elsewhere the tenders were for some early morning journeys monday to friday so i`m afraid for at least twelve months you`re stuck with diamond.
As I was walking home, i saw MX60 GXH, a Hansons bus on the 226, decide to Continue up Brierley Hill Road instead of turning into Swan Lane (presumably as a Diamond 226 was right infront of Him).
Have also passed that complaint onto Hansons and Centro.
Approx 6pm towards Merry Hill
Quote from: bususer12 on May 01, 2013, 06:19:45 PM
As I was walking home, i saw MX60 GXH, a Hansons bus on the 226, decide to Continue up Brierley Hill Road instead of turning into Swan Lane (presumably as a Diamond 226 was right infront of Him).
Have also passed that complaint onto Hansons and Centro.
Approx 6pm towards Merry Hill
Nooooo way. Hansons are whiter than white & would never do such a thing! ;D
Come on Hanson's why lower yourself to this level? I imagine diamond will withdraw from the 226 soon anyway tho I am a huge fan of diamond I think their actions regarding the 226 were completely unacceptable. Hansons never usually do this sort of thing and while we're on the subject, has their 004 taken off yet?
Quote from: Peter123 on May 01, 2013, 07:25:51 PM
Come on Hanson's why lower yourself to this level? I imagine diamond will withdraw from the 226 soon anyway tho I am a huge fan of diamond I think their actions regarding the 226 were completely unacceptable. Hansons never usually do this sort of thing and while we're on the subject, has their 004 taken off yet?
When ever i have travelled on the 004, it gets good loadings around Harbourne, think people around Merry Hill still prefer the 002.
Only just found out that the 004 doesn't serve Lye anymore, hadn't seen that advertised.
Indeed, neither had I. It now serves Quarry Bank High street. Not that I think that high street needs another service! I think it would be even better to link it with Cradley Heath, Saltwells areas maybe giving these areas a direct link back to Cradley Heath railway station which was taken away when the old 238 changed (now 289).
3540 has gone and 3550 will go soon replace by the same as 1520 & 1521 sort of buses
any reason for these 2 envrios to go
I would think because those 2 are old older Enviro300s.
Maybe Hansons can get more money selling these Enviro300s than it costs to buy 2 similar aged Darts.
i all so forget to put 1719 is going when the mot is up
Quote from: John on May 02, 2013, 03:39:48 PM
I would think because those 2 are old older Enviro300s.
Maybe Hansons can get more money selling these Enviro300s than it costs to buy 2 similar aged Darts.
I remember Hansons had problems with another older Enviro 300 that was plagued by electrical faults which was subsequently sold,
Also, by disposing of the two Enviro 300's the fleet will be standardized on just two vehicle types i.e Dart SLF's & Enviro 200's
Newest Hansons bus KU52YKZ 1522 is out today as seen in the following picture
Newest vehicle at Hansons is ex First Glasgow KU52YLA. It is to carry the fleet number 1523.
Enviro200 2581 is on the 318 today (usually Dart-operated)
Unusually 1512 on the 124 today
what time do 1522 & 1523 run at on 226 service from dudley
Newest bus in the Hansons fleet is ex Petes Travel, Diamond Bus and Dawsons Rentals is 1524 KU52RYO
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/9207945683/
Quote from: DJ trainbasher on July 04, 2013, 07:28:38 PM
Newest bus in the Hansons fleet is ex Petes Travel, Diamond Bus and Dawsons Rentals is 1524 KU52RYO
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/9207945683/
Did Petes lease these then originally from Dawson? Then maybe diamond picked up the lease, rotala said no and then it went to yourbus. Does anyone know if any buses in diamonds fleet are leased/on finance?
Sounds like there is something rolling about in the back of 1522, where the rear route number box is. Right uncomfortable sheds these are
Enviro200 2602 seen in Dudley this afternoon with "Season's Greetings To All Our Customers" on its display..
Gosh I know this year is flying by but not that quick. Lol
PD0001124/19 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between DUDLEY and CRADLEY HEATH given service number 124 effective from 26-Oct-2013.
Quote from: pb2012 on August 22, 2013, 07:52:52 PM
PD0001124/19 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between DUDLEY and CRADLEY HEATH given service number 124 effective from 26-Oct-2013.
Lost the contract!
Suprised much
Interesting registration on VOSA today:
PD0001124/37 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Merry Hill Bus Station
Finish Point: Dudley Bus Staion
Via: Woodside
Service Number: X26
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 28-OCT-2013
Other Details: Monday to Saturday
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 06, 2013, 03:53:34 PM
Interesting registration on VOSA today:
PD0001124/37 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Merry Hill Bus Station
Finish Point: Dudley Bus Staion
Via: Woodside
Service Number: X26
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 28-OCT-2013
Other Details: Monday to Saturday
Interesting indeed, I assume the buses made surplus off the 124 are being re-deployed on this route ?
I'm not that familiar with the area so not sure where Woodside is but is this going to be an express service or just a limited stop service with an X in front of the number. I think it would be a good idea to introduce a non stop service between Merry Hill and Dudley with it stopping at just a couple of stops around the Waterfront and the one before the bus station in Dudley. As most people on the X96 stay on the bus from Dudley to Merry Hill and vice-versa.
In a way it sorta completes a link that was removed in the Dudley Network Review of 2008.
Quote from: Ash on September 06, 2013, 04:07:55 PM
I'm not that familiar with the area so not sure where Woodside is but is this going to be an express service or just a limited stop service with an X in front of the number. I think it would be a good idea to introduce a non stop service between Merry Hill and Dudley with it stopping at just a couple of stops around the Waterfront and the one before the bus station in Dudley. As most people on the X96 stay on the bus from Dudley to Merry Hill and vice-versa.
Its confusing because the X suggests a limited stop service, however the service type is normal stopping? :-\
Latest at Hansons, fresh from being ex First Glasgow, and before that Thorpes, is KU52YLF which has taken the fleetnumber of 1525.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/9686924089/
Quote from: the #trainbasher on September 06, 2013, 11:05:12 PM
Latest at Hansons, fresh from being ex First Glasgow, and before that Thorpes, is KU52YLF which has taken the fleetnumber of 1525.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/9686924089/
They seem to be copying Pensnett's Mercs with their fleetnumbers ;)
Quote from: the #trainbasher on September 06, 2013, 04:28:24 PM
In a way it sorta completes a link that was removed in the Dudley Network Review of 2008.
So will Hanson's X26 not be in direct competition with NXWM's X96 then?
Quote from: Winston on September 07, 2013, 04:27:01 PM
Quote from: the #trainbasher on September 06, 2013, 04:28:24 PM
In a way it sorta completes a link that was removed in the Dudley Network Review of 2008.
So will Hanson's X26 not be in direct competition with NXWM's X96 then?
Presumably, but never really had Hansons down as a company that were up for competition, they have their own unique routes and from what I can gather a fairly loyal customer base.
I suppose it does depend on the route it takes, but I imagine if it was literally just Merry Hill to Dudley they could run a decent 15 minute frequency with just the two buses from the 124
E200 - 226 today, not sure if this is unusual or not only ever seen darts on there :)
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 23, 2013, 04:04:20 PM
E200 - 226 today, not sure if this is unusual or not only ever seen darts on there :)
Was it the coach seated one you saw cos I was bus spotting in merry hill around lunchtime and saw this. I wouldnt know either if it was unusual so can't help in that respect ;D
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 23, 2013, 04:04:20 PM
E200 - 226 today, not sure if this is unusual or not only ever seen darts on there :)
if you are talking about this one http://wmbusphotos.com/Hansons/2600.html its all ways out on the 226 it might have a day some were else from time to time but all way out on the 226
Quote from: Jon on September 23, 2013, 04:15:37 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 23, 2013, 04:04:20 PM
E200 - 226 today, not sure if this is unusual or not only ever seen darts on there :)
if you are talking about this one http://wmbusphotos.com/Hansons/2600.html its all ways out on the 226 it might have a day some were else from time to time but all way out on the 226
Thanks Jon-didnt know this
Their fleet looked a bit messy in my eyes today-V800CBC in particular but also newer e200s
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 23, 2013, 04:20:46 PM
Quote from: Jon on September 23, 2013, 04:15:37 PM
Quote from: Nathan4775 on September 23, 2013, 04:04:20 PM
E200 - 226 today, not sure if this is unusual or not only ever seen darts on there :)
if you are talking about this one http://wmbusphotos.com/Hansons/2600.html its all ways out on the 226 it might have a day some were else from time to time but all way out on the 226
Thanks Jon-didnt know this
Their fleet looked a bit messy in my eyes today-V800CBC in particular but also newer e200s
With the livery it cost money and that money that hansons can use some where else but the best is 0797 it has been on the 267 with the new livery and the body wrap off it nice and fresh
Today most the Hansons buses I see were looking very smart.
Are drivers allowed to let oap's on before 9:30 and then let them scan the pass when they reach their destination after 9:30? Just wondered as this is what happened this morning on the 004
would of thought a no what would happen if a centro person got on or a hansons inspector if hansons has one
Quote from: Solo1 on September 25, 2013, 05:48:38 PM
would of thought a no what would happen if a centro person got on or a hansons inspector if hansons has one
Lol they wont have one of those-believe me I'm not making it up so its not libel or me slagging off a company-it was BV55UPO arriving into halesowen at about 9:30 this morning from merry hill. It makes a joke of the whole after 9:30 rule-its fair enough to do what diamond do, get to a stop at 9:29 and wait until it turns 9:30 then let people on but doing it when getting off...
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 25, 2013, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on September 25, 2013, 05:48:38 PM
would of thought a no what would happen if a centro person got on or a hansons inspector if hansons has one
Lol they wont have one of those-believe me I'm not making it up so its not libel or me slagging off a company-it was BV55UPO arriving into halesowen at about 9:30 this morning from merry hill. It makes a joke of the whole after 9:30 rule-its fair enough to do what diamond do, get to a stop at 9:29 and wait until it turns 9:30 then let people on but doing it when getting off...
I have seen it on NXWM, Diamond, Arriva and others so its not just one operator you know.
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 25, 2013, 07:35:03 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 25, 2013, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on September 25, 2013, 05:48:38 PM
would of thought a no what would happen if a centro person got on or a hansons inspector if hansons has one
Lol they wont have one of those-believe me I'm not making it up so its not libel or me slagging off a company-it was BV55UPO arriving into halesowen at about 9:30 this morning from merry hill. It makes a joke of the whole after 9:30 rule-its fair enough to do what diamond do, get to a stop at 9:29 and wait until it turns 9:30 then let people on but doing it when getting off...
I have seen it on NXWM, Diamond, Arriva and others so its not just one operator you know.
Only time Ive ever seen it-not saying they don't do it but still. A company desperate for trade/money at least to the observer-maybe not fact
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 25, 2013, 04:16:20 PM
Are drivers allowed to let oap's on before 9:30 and then let them scan the pass when they reach their destination after 9:30? Just wondered as this is what happened this morning on the 004
Quite a number of companies do this, but to me isn't this illegal. Surely if the pass isn't scanned, then the person is on the bus illegally as they no ticket/valid pass.
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 25, 2013, 07:35:03 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 25, 2013, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on September 25, 2013, 05:48:38 PM
would of thought a no what would happen if a centro person got on or a hansons inspector if hansons has one
Lol they wont have one of those-believe me I'm not making it up so its not libel or me slagging off a company-it was BV55UPO arriving into halesowen at about 9:30 this morning from merry hill. It makes a joke of the whole after 9:30 rule-its fair enough to do what diamond do, get to a stop at 9:29 and wait until it turns 9:30 then let people on but doing it when getting off...
I have seen it on NXWM, Diamond, Arriva and others so its not just one operator you know.
Don't need to! All the machines accept them from 09:28
Quote from: Tony on September 25, 2013, 08:59:44 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 25, 2013, 07:35:03 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 25, 2013, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on September 25, 2013, 05:48:38 PM
would of thought a no what would happen if a centro person got on or a hansons inspector if hansons has one
Lol they wont have one of those-believe me I'm not making it up so its not libel or me slagging off a company-it was BV55UPO arriving into halesowen at about 9:30 this morning from merry hill. It makes a joke of the whole after 9:30 rule-its fair enough to do what diamond do, get to a stop at 9:29 and wait until it turns 9:30 then let people on but doing it when getting off...
Don't need to! All the machines accept them from 09:28
I have seen it on NXWM, Diamond, Arriva and others so its not just one operator you know.
Oh do they! Didnt know that so thanks-maybe diamond driver were waiting till then then. But this morning these people got on at well before that time!!
Quote from: Tony on September 25, 2013, 08:59:44 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 25, 2013, 07:35:03 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 25, 2013, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on September 25, 2013, 05:48:38 PM
would of thought a no what would happen if a centro person got on or a hansons inspector if hansons has one
Lol they wont have one of those-believe me I'm not making it up so its not libel or me slagging off a company-it was BV55UPO arriving into halesowen at about 9:30 this morning from merry hill. It makes a joke of the whole after 9:30 rule-its fair enough to do what diamond do, get to a stop at 9:29 and wait until it turns 9:30 then let people on but doing it when getting off...
I have seen it on NXWM, Diamond, Arriva and others so its not just one operator you know.
Don't need to! All the machines accept them from 09:28
Presume that's in case the time is slightly out on the machine.
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 25, 2013, 09:06:10 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 25, 2013, 08:59:44 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 25, 2013, 07:35:03 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 25, 2013, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on September 25, 2013, 05:48:38 PM
would of thought a no what would happen if a centro person got on or a hansons inspector if hansons has one
Lol they wont have one of those-believe me I'm not making it up so its not libel or me slagging off a company-it was BV55UPO arriving into halesowen at about 9:30 this morning from merry hill. It makes a joke of the whole after 9:30 rule-its fair enough to do what diamond do, get to a stop at 9:29 and wait until it turns 9:30 then let people on but doing it when getting off...
Don't need to! All the machines accept them from 09:28
I have seen it on NXWM, Diamond, Arriva and others so its not just one operator you know.
Oh do they! Didnt know that so thanks-maybe diamond driver were waiting till then then. But this morning these people got on at well before that time!!
I've seen that happen lots on other operators to, namely NX's 140 around the shell corner area.
Quote from: bususer12 on September 25, 2013, 11:43:53 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 25, 2013, 09:06:10 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 25, 2013, 08:59:44 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 25, 2013, 07:35:03 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 25, 2013, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on September 25, 2013, 05:48:38 PM
would of thought a no what would happen if a centro person got on or a hansons inspector if hansons has one
Lol they wont have one of those-believe me I'm not making it up so its not libel or me slagging off a company-it was BV55UPO arriving into halesowen at about 9:30 this morning from merry hill. It makes a joke of the whole after 9:30 rule-its fair enough to do what diamond do, get to a stop at 9:29 and wait until it turns 9:30 then let people on but doing it when getting off...
Don't need to! All the machines accept them from 09:28
I have seen it on NXWM, Diamond, Arriva and others so its not just one operator you know.
Oh do they! Didnt know that so thanks-maybe diamond driver were waiting till then then. But this morning these people got on at well before that time!!
I've seen that happen lots on other operators to, namely NX's 140 around the shell corner area.
Not surprised at that haha, Mon-Sat a 140 should be due both ways around/just before 9:30am
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 25, 2013, 11:48:59 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on September 25, 2013, 11:43:53 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 25, 2013, 09:06:10 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 25, 2013, 08:59:44 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 25, 2013, 07:35:03 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 25, 2013, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on September 25, 2013, 05:48:38 PM
would of thought a no what would happen if a centro person got on or a hansons inspector if hansons has one
Lol they wont have one of those-believe me I'm not making it up so its not libel or me slagging off a company-it was BV55UPO arriving into halesowen at about 9:30 this morning from merry hill. It makes a joke of the whole after 9:30 rule-its fair enough to do what diamond do, get to a stop at 9:29 and wait until it turns 9:30 then let people on but doing it when getting off...
Don't need to! All the machines accept them from 09:28
I have seen it on NXWM, Diamond, Arriva and others so its not just one operator you know.
Oh do they! Didnt know that so thanks-maybe diamond driver were waiting till then then. But this morning these people got on at well before that time!!
I've seen that happen lots on other operators to, namely NX's 140 around the shell corner area.
Not surprised at that haha, Mon-Sat a 140 should be due both ways around/just before 9:30am
All buses are due somewhere just before 09:30
Quote from: Tony on September 26, 2013, 08:55:48 AM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on September 25, 2013, 11:48:59 PM
Quote from: bususer12 on September 25, 2013, 11:43:53 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 25, 2013, 09:06:10 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 25, 2013, 08:59:44 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 25, 2013, 07:35:03 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on September 25, 2013, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on September 25, 2013, 05:48:38 PM
would of thought a no what would happen if a centro person got on or a hansons inspector if hansons has one
Lol they wont have one of those-believe me I'm not making it up so its not libel or me slagging off a company-it was BV55UPO arriving into halesowen at about 9:30 this morning from merry hill. It makes a joke of the whole after 9:30 rule-its fair enough to do what diamond do, get to a stop at 9:29 and wait until it turns 9:30 then let people on but doing it when getting off...
Don't need to! All the machines accept them from 09:28
I have seen it on NXWM, Diamond, Arriva and others so its not just one operator you know.
Oh do they! Didnt know that so thanks-maybe diamond driver were waiting till then then. But this morning these people got on at well before that time!!
I've seen that happen lots on other operators to, namely NX's 140 around the shell corner area.
Not surprised at that haha, Mon-Sat a 140 should be due both ways around/just before 9:30am
All buses are due somewhere just before 09:30
Read the above posts again Tony, I was referring to Shell Corner, in Blackheath.
Quote from: Solo1 on September 25, 2013, 05:48:38 PM
would of thought a no what would happen if a centro person got on or a hansons inspector if hansons has one
Hansons has an inspector but the he has a different title then that (i can not remember what it is). Part of his job is sit in front off the computer and read the post's on here so if he does read this one i have tea two sugar please kid. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
what service is the latest of their flet to be found on thanks
Quote from: Solo1 on September 26, 2013, 05:35:46 PM
what service is the latest of their flet to be found on thanks
The new 52 plated dart fleet numbers 1520 to 1525 can be found on 004 226 and 318 i know 1525 was on 226
Quote from: Jon on September 26, 2013, 06:20:02 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on September 26, 2013, 05:35:46 PM
what service is the latest of their flet to be found on thanks
The new 52 plated dart fleet numbers 1520 to 1525 can be found on 004 226 and 318 i know 1525 was on 226
1520 is on the same working of the 318 almost every day, it's the one that goes into Haybridge (my school) going towards Bromsgrove about 15:50
Quote from: Jon on September 26, 2013, 03:53:09 PM
Quote from: Solo1 on September 25, 2013, 05:48:38 PM
would of thought a no what would happen if a centro person got on or a hansons inspector if hansons has one
Hansons has an inspector but the he has a different title then that (i can not remember what it is). Part of his job is sit in front off the computer and read the post's on here so if he does read this one i have tea two sugar please kid. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
That sounds like a cushy job....... ;)
I'm surprised a small company like Hanson's can afford to pay someone to sit & read a bus enthusiasts forum.....
I think he was joking you know
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 26, 2013, 07:49:52 PM
I think he was joking you know
it NO joke you can ask any driver, part off his office work is look on here that is if every one is in off course and not at one off the bus station
Quote from: Jon on September 27, 2013, 12:40:49 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 26, 2013, 07:49:52 PM
I think he was joking you know
it NO joke you can ask any driver, part off his office work is look on here that is if every one is in off course and not at one off the bus station
How come Hanson's are so concerned by what gets discussed on the forum?
Quote from: Winston on September 27, 2013, 03:52:29 PM
Quote from: Jon on September 27, 2013, 12:40:49 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 26, 2013, 07:49:52 PM
I think he was joking you know
it NO joke you can ask any driver, part off his office work is look on here that is if every one is in off course and not at one off the bus station
How come Hanson's are so concerned by what gets discussed on the forum?
How many other companies follow this forum on the quiet???
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 27, 2013, 04:07:33 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 27, 2013, 03:52:29 PM
Quote from: Jon on September 27, 2013, 12:40:49 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 26, 2013, 07:49:52 PM
I think he was joking you know
it NO joke you can ask any driver, part off his office work is look on here that is if every one is in off course and not at one off the bus station
How come Hanson's are so concerned by what gets discussed on the forum?
How many other companies follow this forum on the quiet???
Sounds like a few, rather than quietly monitor the forum on the sly as a guest, I'd rather they register & post...... like NXOD & Simon Dunn have done. If someone posts something that is unfair / untrue then can then defend their own companies. Having NXOD & Simon Dunn answering our questions has been really interesting.....
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 27, 2013, 04:07:33 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 27, 2013, 03:52:29 PM
Quote from: Jon on September 27, 2013, 12:40:49 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 26, 2013, 07:49:52 PM
I think he was joking you know
it NO joke you can ask any driver, part off his office work is look on here that is if every one is in off course and not at one off the bus station
How come Hanson's are so concerned by what gets discussed on the forum?
How many other companies follow this forum on the quiet???
I Know That Mr Simon Dunn did here and WMBus group thats before he started the feed on this forum but i can not tell you for the rest
Geoff Cross, owner of Central Buses is also a member and posts on here
Quote from: Tony on September 27, 2013, 04:34:53 PM
Geoff Cross, owner of Central Buses is also a member and posts on here
Yes forgot about Geoff
New Bus 0520 KU52RXS http://www.flickr.com/photos/67006771@N03/10294683933/
Quote from: Jon on October 15, 2013, 05:56:59 PM
New Bus 0520 KU52RXS http://www.flickr.com/photos/67006771@N03/10294683933/
I should image imagine that it must be getting pretty tight squeezing all the vehicles in to the depot yard at night with the additional vehicles acquired of late....
Quote from: Winston on October 15, 2013, 06:12:25 PM
Quote from: Jon on October 15, 2013, 05:56:59 PM
New Bus 0520 KU52RXS http://www.flickr.com/photos/67006771@N03/10294683933/
I should image imagine that it must be getting pretty tight squeezing all the vehicles in to the depot yard at night with the additional vehicles acquired of late....
they getting rid off some old buses but i dont know which one's
Quote from: Jon on October 15, 2013, 06:16:23 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 15, 2013, 06:12:25 PM
Quote from: Jon on October 15, 2013, 05:56:59 PM
New Bus 0520 KU52RXS http://www.flickr.com/photos/67006771@N03/10294683933/
I should image imagine that it must be getting pretty tight squeezing all the vehicles in to the depot yard at night with the additional vehicles acquired of late....
they getting rid off some old buses but i dont know which one's
Oh right, I thought all the previous 52 plate Darts were extras to the fleet. Or is it just the last MPD that is for fleet replacement?
Quote from: Winston on October 15, 2013, 06:20:05 PM
Quote from: Jon on October 15, 2013, 06:16:23 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 15, 2013, 06:12:25 PM
Quote from: Jon on October 15, 2013, 05:56:59 PM
New Bus 0520 KU52RXS http://www.flickr.com/photos/67006771@N03/10294683933/
I should image imagine that it must be getting pretty tight squeezing all the vehicles in to the depot yard at night with the additional vehicles acquired of late....
they getting rid off some old buses but i dont know which one's
Oh right, I thought all the previous 52 plate Darts were extras to the fleet. Or is it just the last MPD that is for fleet replacement?
2 of the 52 plate are for 54 and 55 plated e300 but with the loads on 004 and 318 are full or nearly full so they do need long wheel base dart, but i know 315 and 316 due to go and 1719 has gone or going following by 1742, 0387, 0389. 0797, 1510-1512 will stay for now but when they are cost to much to run or fail the mot they get new ish bus where it cost lest to run
PD0001124/31 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Dudley Bus Station and Merry Hill Centre given service number 208 effective from 01-Dec-2013. To amend Timetable.
Quote from: Winston on October 16, 2013, 11:12:23 PM
PD0001124/31 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Dudley Bus Station and Merry Hill Centre given service number 208 effective from 01-Dec-2013. To amend Timetable.
A higher frequency or earlier morning services. The 208 is doing well, always busy when I see it
Quote from: Jon on October 15, 2013, 07:43:15 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 15, 2013, 06:20:05 PM
Quote from: Jon on October 15, 2013, 06:16:23 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 15, 2013, 06:12:25 PM
Quote from: Jon on October 15, 2013, 05:56:59 PM
New Bus 0520 KU52RXS http://www.flickr.com/photos/67006771@N03/10294683933/
I should image imagine that it must be getting pretty tight squeezing all the vehicles in to the depot yard at night with the additional vehicles acquired of late....
they getting rid off some old buses but i dont know which one's
Oh right, I thought all the previous 52 plate Darts were extras to the fleet. Or is it just the last MPD that is for fleet replacement?
2 of the 52 plate are for 54 and 55 plated e300 but with the loads on 004 and 318 are full or nearly full so they do need long wheel base dart, but i know 315 and 316 due to go and 1719 has gone or going following by 1742, 0387, 0389. 0797, 1510-1512 will stay for now but when they are cost to much to run or fail the mot they get new ish bus where it cost lest to run
Sounds as though the 004 is taking off
Do you know of any plans to buy any more new buses? Although the 52 plate Darts are newer, they are still 11 year old ex rental buses
does anyone know the times of when the X26 will be running?
xx59/xx29 ex Merry Hill
xx09/xx44 ex Dudley
Looking at the timetable I picked up off 1524 today.
Hansons have got KU52RXG. Its on the 251 today
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 17, 2013, 12:33:37 AM
xx59/xx29 ex Merry Hill
xx09/xx44 ex Dudley
Looking at the timetable I picked up off 1524 today.
Any more details on route this will take and time etc... I for one would be particularly interested in trying it, I really think there is a market for an absolutely non-stop shuttle service between Dudley and Merry Hill
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on October 17, 2013, 07:20:29 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 17, 2013, 12:33:37 AM
xx59/xx29 ex Merry Hill
xx09/xx44 ex Dudley
Looking at the timetable I picked up off 1524 today.
Any more details on route this will take and time etc... I for one would be particularly interested in trying it, I really think there is a market for an absolutely non-stop shuttle service between Dudley and Merry Hill
It will follow NXWM X96's route between Dudley and Merry Hill.
Quote from: Stu on October 17, 2013, 07:23:31 PM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on October 17, 2013, 07:20:29 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 17, 2013, 12:33:37 AM
xx59/xx29 ex Merry Hill
xx09/xx44 ex Dudley
Looking at the timetable I picked up off 1524 today.
Any more details on route this will take and time etc... I for one would be particularly interested in trying it, I really think there is a market for an absolutely non-stop shuttle service between Dudley and Merry Hill
It will follow NXWM X96's route between Dudley and Merry Hill.
OR indeed largely reinstate the 264/5 route curtailed when x96 took the route to Dudley.It will mean that because passengers can ride through from the 226 its a cheap way up to Dudley from lower Wordsley and Hawbush too.
what are the starting and finishing times for the route?
also if it is following the X96 route will it be stopping at the same stops as it as well?
Quote from: OH25 on October 17, 2013, 11:27:45 PM
what are the starting and finishing times for the route?
also if it is following the X96 route will it be stopping at the same stops as it as well?
Merry Hill- Dudley 06.59-17.29 1/2 Hourly.From Stand C (B X96)
Dudley-Merry Hill 0708-17.44 At 09/44 from same stand as X96 (S I believe).
Same stopping points along route.
0521 KU52RXG - http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/10351357206/in/photostream/
0520 KU52RXS - http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/10351351525/in/photostream/
First Hansons X26 from Merry Hill to Dudley is 1524 KU52RYO
Just came across this which might interest people
It appears to be the same reg as a bus in Hansons fleet
http://www.ensignbus.com/enviro-200-2008.html
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 12, 2013, 08:31:36 PM
Just came across this which might interest people
It appears to be the same reg as a bus in Hansons fleet
http://www.ensignbus.com/enviro-200-2008.html
Yes the 2 58 plates have gone, having been replaced by 0520/0521
Quote from: the trainbasher on November 12, 2013, 08:44:45 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 12, 2013, 08:31:36 PM
Just came across this which might interest people
It appears to be the same reg as a bus in Hansons fleet
http://www.ensignbus.com/enviro-200-2008.html
Yes the 2 58 plates have gone, having been replaced by 0520/0521
Nice fleet upgrade then :P
Its to standardise the fleet from what I have been told.
Quote from: the trainbasher on November 12, 2013, 09:18:02 PM
Its to standardise the fleet from what I have been told.
And raise a bit of money I would imagine!
Though it does make sense though seems a backward step
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 12, 2013, 09:22:07 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on November 12, 2013, 09:18:02 PM
Its to standardise the fleet from what I have been told.
And raise a bit of money I would imagine!
Though it does make sense though seems a backward step
Hmmmm.....
I don't see how it is going to standardize the fleet when there are still another 5 x E200's on fleet strength, replacing 58 plate with 52 plate does seem to back up some of DiamondDarts comments
Does anybody know when Hansons get some more buses
Not often you get a Hansons "unusual working" - Enviro 2601 is on the 231 today. The 231 is always Pointer MF03 BLU
1525 in company colors
The X26 is going in june (not paying) then the 2 extra buses is going on the 004 to make it 30 min's service
Quote from: Jon on April 04, 2014, 11:46:05 AM
The X26 is going in june (not paying) then the 2 extra buses is going on the 004 to make it 30 min's service
That sounds like a good move, passenger numbers seem to be building up steadily
Quote from: Winston on April 04, 2014, 12:00:41 PM
Quote from: Jon on April 04, 2014, 11:46:05 AM
The X26 is going in june (not paying) then the 2 extra buses is going on the 004 to make it 30 min's service
That sounds like a good move, passenger numbers seem to be building up steadily
Ture i know that the x26 is only make around £300 per week (all 4 buses)
004 around £150 to £200 per day per bus
226 around £200 per day per bus
it make alot off sence
Quote from: Jon on April 04, 2014, 02:42:59 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 04, 2014, 12:00:41 PM
Quote from: Jon on April 04, 2014, 11:46:05 AM
The X26 is going in june (not paying) then the 2 extra buses is going on the 004 to make it 30 min's service
That sounds like a good move, passenger numbers seem to be building up steadily
Ture i know that the x26 is only make around £300 per week (all 4 buses)
004 around £150 to £200 per day per bus
226 around £200 per day per bus
it make alot off sence
The 004 was never as busy as the 002 when operated by Ludlows, but it carried decent loads which a smaller operator should be able to make money from. Maybe Hanson's could look at extending it the Harborne to the QE & Selly Oak? It would offer some new links
If you look at it, the only reason that Hansons tried the X26 is because they lost the tender for the 124 and they then had 2 buses which needed to be used.
Making the 004 half hourly to me makes more sense. I have seen numerous 004s lately and the loading on them has been good.
It is not often that Hansons take up a route & it fails, but the X26 is a case of this (the X96 was always going to win in this battle).
I often wonder if there is a case for a direct service from Merry Hill to Russells Hall Hospital, probably sounds daft, but i think quite a few people park at Merry Hill and catch the bus to Russells Hall because of the parking situation, limited spaces & high costs. The 222 & 297 are fairly long winded to the Hospital, especially when you have a road that runs by the Merry Hill which takes you directly to RHH.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 04, 2014, 03:38:10 PM
If you look at it, the only reason that Hansons tried the X26 is because they lost the tender for the 124 and they then had 2 buses which needed to be used.
Making the 004 half hourly to me makes more sense. I have seen numerous 004s lately and the loading on them has been good.
It is not often that Hansons take up a route & it fails, but the X26 is a case of this (the X96 was always going to win in this battle).
I often wonder if there is a case for a direct service from Merry Hill to Russells Hall Hospital, probably sounds daft, but i think quite a few people park at Merry Hill and catch the bus to Russells Hall because of the parking situation, limited spaces & high costs. The 222 & 297 are fairly long winded to the Hospital, especially when you have a road that runs by the Merry Hill which takes you directly to RHH.
The 310 is pretty fast between Dudley and Merry Hill and goes via the hospital-Merry Hill to RHH is 14 minutes which is pretty quick. Unfortunately for Arriva, there seems to be little awareness about the 310 which is a shame as they seem to have tried hard on the route with nice refurbished buses. When I have been in Dudley, people without travelcards wanting to go to Merry Hill have totally ignored the 310-bigger route branding needed!
Quote from: DiamondDart on April 04, 2014, 04:04:55 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 04, 2014, 03:38:10 PM
If you look at it, the only reason that Hansons tried the X26 is because they lost the tender for the 124 and they then had 2 buses which needed to be used.
Making the 004 half hourly to me makes more sense. I have seen numerous 004s lately and the loading on them has been good.
It is not often that Hansons take up a route & it fails, but the X26 is a case of this (the X96 was always going to win in this battle).
I often wonder if there is a case for a direct service from Merry Hill to Russells Hall Hospital, probably sounds daft, but i think quite a few people park at Merry Hill and catch the bus to Russells Hall because of the parking situation, limited spaces & high costs. The 222 & 297 are fairly long winded to the Hospital, especially when you have a road that runs by the Merry Hill which takes you directly to RHH.
The 310 is pretty fast between Dudley and Merry Hill and goes via the hospital-Merry Hill to RHH is 14 minutes which is pretty quick. Unfortunately for Arriva, there seems to be little awareness about the 310 which is a shame as they seem to have tried hard on the route with nice refurbished buses. When I have been in Dudley, people without travelcards wanting to go to Merry Hill have totally ignored the 310-bigger route branding needed!
You see, i think that is part of the problem, i had forgotten that the 310 existed and everytime i have seen it in the past, the buses have been empty.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 04, 2014, 04:08:00 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on April 04, 2014, 04:04:55 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 04, 2014, 03:38:10 PM
If you look at it, the only reason that Hansons tried the X26 is because they lost the tender for the 124 and they then had 2 buses which needed to be used.
Making the 004 half hourly to me makes more sense. I have seen numerous 004s lately and the loading on them has been good.
It is not often that Hansons take up a route & it fails, but the X26 is a case of this (the X96 was always going to win in this battle).
I often wonder if there is a case for a direct service from Merry Hill to Russells Hall Hospital, probably sounds daft, but i think quite a few people park at Merry Hill and catch the bus to Russells Hall because of the parking situation, limited spaces & high costs. The 222 & 297 are fairly long winded to the Hospital, especially when you have a road that runs by the Merry Hill which takes you directly to RHH.
The 310 is pretty fast between Dudley and Merry Hill and goes via the hospital-Merry Hill to RHH is 14 minutes which is pretty quick. Unfortunately for Arriva, there seems to be little awareness about the 310 which is a shame as they seem to have tried hard on the route with nice refurbished buses. When I have been in Dudley, people without travelcards wanting to go to Merry Hill have totally ignored the 310-bigger route branding needed!
You see, i think that is part of the problem, i had forgotten that the 310 existed and everytime i have seen it in the past, the buses have been empty.
Yep, mostly empty when I've used it unfortunately. Nice fast route though...
Quote from: Winston on April 04, 2014, 03:32:40 PM
Quote from: Jon on April 04, 2014, 02:42:59 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 04, 2014, 12:00:41 PM
Quote from: Jon on April 04, 2014, 11:46:05 AM
The X26 is going in june (not paying) then the 2 extra buses is going on the 004 to make it 30 min's service
That sounds like a good move, passenger numbers seem to be building up steadily
Ture i know that the x26 is only make around £300 per week (all 4 buses)
004 around £150 to £200 per day per bus
226 around £200 per day per bus
it make alot off sence
The 004 was never as busy as the 002 when operated by Ludlows, but it carried decent loads which a smaller operator should be able to make money from. Maybe Hanson's could look at extending it the Harborne to the QE & Selly Oak? It would offer some new links
i can see you point winston but i can see hansons will extend to the QE
Quote from: DiamondDart on April 04, 2014, 04:31:24 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 04, 2014, 04:08:00 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on April 04, 2014, 04:04:55 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 04, 2014, 03:38:10 PM
If you look at it, the only reason that Hansons tried the X26 is because they lost the tender for the 124 and they then had 2 buses which needed to be used.
Making the 004 half hourly to me makes more sense. I have seen numerous 004s lately and the loading on them has been good.
It is not often that Hansons take up a route & it fails, but the X26 is a case of this (the X96 was always going to win in this battle).
I often wonder if there is a case for a direct service from Merry Hill to Russells Hall Hospital, probably sounds daft, but i think quite a few people park at Merry Hill and catch the bus to Russells Hall because of the parking situation, limited spaces & high costs. The 222 & 297 are fairly long winded to the Hospital, especially when you have a road that runs by the Merry Hill which takes you directly to RHH.
The 310 is pretty fast between Dudley and Merry Hill and goes via the hospital-Merry Hill to RHH is 14 minutes which is pretty quick. Unfortunately for Arriva, there seems to be little awareness about the 310 which is a shame as they seem to have tried hard on the route with nice refurbished buses. When I have been in Dudley, people without travelcards wanting to go to Merry Hill have totally ignored the 310-bigger route branding needed!
You see, i think that is part of the problem, i had forgotten that the 310 existed and everytime i have seen it in the past, the buses have been empty.
Yep, mostly empty when I've used it unfortunately. Nice fast route though...
with the 310 it fill's that bit 311 and 313 has left from dudley to RHH
Quote from: Jon on April 04, 2014, 07:46:47 PM
The 004 was never as busy as the 002 when operated by Ludlows, but it carried decent loads which a smaller operator should be able to make money from. Maybe Hanson's could look at extending it the Harborne to the QE & Selly Oak? It would offer some new links
Quote
i can see you point winston but i can see hansons will extend to the QE
If that happens, I hope it uses the 48 route. That part it is so busy at peaks time that 48 used to get rammed on weekdays when they used the Mercs and skips the stops with plenty of passengers.
Quote from: Sayeed_M on April 05, 2014, 12:28:53 AM
Quote from: Jon on April 04, 2014, 07:46:47 PM
The 004 was never as busy as the 002 when operated by Ludlows, but it carried decent loads which a smaller operator should be able to make money from. Maybe Hanson's could look at extending it the Harborne to the QE & Selly Oak? It would offer some new links
Quote
i can see you point winston but i can see hansons will extend to the QE
If that happens, I hope it uses the 48 route. That part it is so busy at peaks time that 48 used to get rammed on weekdays when they used the Mercs and skips the stops with plenty of passengers.
I know from quite a few drivers that it's been suggested a few times for a QE extension. Via the 99 route it roughly takes 5 mins each way to the hospital and the 48 it takes 7 each way so could actually be done.
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That'll probably be what Jon was describing above. In response to the 22 perhaps (matching their Merry Hill - Harborne frequency)?
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That'll probably be what Jon was describing above. In response to the 22 perhaps (matching their Merry Hill - Harborne frequency)?
The 004 frequency increase is due to Hanson's withdrawing the X26 & redeploying the buses elsewhere
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Quote from: Winston on April 11, 2014, 10:11:25 AM
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That'll probably be what Jon was describing above. In response to the 22 perhaps (matching their Merry Hill - Harborne frequency)?
I'm sure also those empty 22s are giving them sleepless nights....
I think they are enhancing because withdrawing off X26?
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That'll probably be what Jon was describing above. In response to the 22 perhaps (matching their Merry Hill - Harborne frequency)?
I'm sure also those empty 22s are giving them sleepless nights....
I think they are enhancing because withdrawing off X26?
Yes, but the 22 (which is not empty) may have influenced their decision about where to utilise the resources freed up by the withdrawal of the X26
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That'll probably be what Jon was describing above. In response to the 22 perhaps (matching their Merry Hill - Harborne frequency)?
The 004 frequency increase is due to Hanson's withdrawing the X26 & redeploying the buses elsewhere
You both right and on the 22 if i am wright its ever hour mon to fri day time and more peak time ( i could be wrong)
Quote from: Jon on April 11, 2014, 05:37:34 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 11, 2014, 02:03:33 PM
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That'll probably be what Jon was describing above. In response to the 22 perhaps (matching their Merry Hill - Harborne frequency)?
The 004 frequency increase is due to Hanson's withdrawing the X26 & redeploying the buses elsewhere
You both right and on the 22 if i am wright its ever hour mon to fri day time and more peak time ( i could be wrong)
Half hourly during the day and more frequent at peaks mate.
Quote from: Matt on April 11, 2014, 06:06:59 PM
Quote from: Jon on April 11, 2014, 05:37:34 PM
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That'll probably be what Jon was describing above. In response to the 22 perhaps (matching their Merry Hill - Harborne frequency)?
The 004 frequency increase is due to Hanson's withdrawing the X26 & redeploying the buses elsewhere
You both right and on the 22 if i am wright its ever hour mon to fri day time and more peak time ( i could be wrong)
Half hourly during the day and more frequent at peaks mate.
Thanks for that matt i was not 100% on the timetable
1524 was seen earlier on the anticlockwise 226/X26 in the green/blue/white
Quote from: Daniel w on May 01, 2014, 08:16:42 PM
Loading piecing up significantly on the x26
Is it? How do you know? I would doubt it seeing as it is being withdrawn!!
Quote from: Daniel w on May 01, 2014, 08:45:12 PM
Before it had about 10 people on when was this withdrawn ?
Ey?!
The X26 in London has brilliant loadings, but the Hansons X26s i have seen this week were all nearly empty.
You said it is being withdrawn
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 01, 2014, 08:43:51 PM
Quote from: Daniel w on May 01, 2014, 08:16:42 PM
Loading piecing up significantly on the x26
Is it? How do you know? I would doubt it seeing as it is being withdrawn!!
Excuse me but I have been informed by a very reliable source within Hansons that that is not the case. Anyway it would be on VOSA would it not?
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 01, 2014, 08:59:30 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 01, 2014, 08:43:51 PM
Quote from: Daniel w on May 01, 2014, 08:16:42 PM
Loading piecing up significantly on the x26
Is it? How do you know? I would doubt it seeing as it is being withdrawn!!
Excuse me but I have been informed by a very reliable source within Hansons that that is not the case. Anyway it would be on VOSA would it not?
So where are the buses coming from for the frequency increase on the 004?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 01, 2014, 09:05:45 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 01, 2014, 08:59:30 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 01, 2014, 08:43:51 PM
Quote from: Daniel w on May 01, 2014, 08:16:42 PM
Loading piecing up significantly on the x26
Is it? How do you know? I would doubt it seeing as it is being withdrawn!!
Excuse me but I have been informed by a very reliable source within Hansons that that is not the case. Anyway it would be on VOSA would it not?
So where are the buses coming from for the frequency increase on the 004?
In this thread
Quote from: Hansons Buses Official on April 12, 2014, 08:28:26 PM
Quote from: Winston on April 12, 2014, 05:51:31 PM
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3. Are there any plans in the immediate future to buy any new buses whilst Euro 5 is still available?
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3. Not on the radar for new buses but another addition shortly.
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Is another addition going to be enough to double the 004 frequency. Excuse me but I think not.
I am sure someone mentioned its withdrawal which seems logical as it hardly seems a successful route.
Quote from: Jon on April 04, 2014, 11:46:05 AM
The X26 is going in june (not paying) then the 2 extra buses is going on the 004 to make it 30 min's service
This was the original post!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 01, 2014, 09:17:46 PM
Quote from: Jon on April 04, 2014, 11:46:05 AM
The X26 is going in june (not paying) then the 2 extra buses is going on the 004 to make it 30 min's service
This was the original post!
Trainbasher has a valid point, a registration cancelling the X26 has never/not yet appeared on VOSA.
As mentioned in the other thread, Hansons have now got KX06LXO ex Htl/Stanley travel, new to Thames Travel
New 004 timetable
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@the trainbasher just a white screen here
Ok give me a hour
@Matt until I get to my laptop to try again!!
networkwestmidlands has the new timetable for 004
2602 has gained a sticker for the 004
Hansons 0060 is on the X26 just leaving merry hill
Managed to get a pic of 0060 today - https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/14175867849/
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 07, 2014, 01:25:36 AM
Managed to get a pic of 0060 today - https://www.flickr.com/photos/tomsbusphotos/14175867849/
looks nice
another one of hanson's darts now painted https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/14388918973/
Quote from: Solo1 on June 07, 2014, 09:49:47 PM
another one of hanson's darts now painted https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/14388918973/
Yes, already a photo on the main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/Hansons/1524.html
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Kinver fayre I presume
I saw (what I think was) MX60 GXH on the 004 at Court Oak Road, West Boulevard around 15:44 (btw, it's an e200, Unusual? Seeing as it's usual allocation is presumably Pointer Darts.
Quote from: clayderman on June 12, 2014, 09:21:01 PM
I saw (what I think was) MX60 GXH on the 004 at Court Oak Road, West Boulevard around 15:44 (btw, it's an e200, Unusual? Seeing as it's usual allocation is presumably Pointer Darts.
One of the Enviro200s I saw parked in Merry Hill today had a round blue sticker on one of the near-side windows with 004 on it, like the 'BV55' Darts. It might be used alongside the Darts on the 004
I also noticed that Harborne was spelt Harbourne on the sticker as well
Quote from: John on June 12, 2014, 09:24:13 PM
Quote from: clayderman on June 12, 2014, 09:21:01 PM
I saw (what I think was) MX60 GXH on the 004 at Court Oak Road, West Boulevard around 15:44 (btw, it's an e200, Unusual? Seeing as it's usual allocation is presumably Pointer Darts.
One of the Enviro200s I saw parked in Merry Hill today had a round blue sticker on one of the near-side windows with 004 on it, like the 'BV55' Darts. It might be used alongside the Darts on the 004
I also noticed that Harborne was spelt Harbourne on the sticker as well
Said branded E200 is 2602 MX60GXH.
Also, 2600 MX60BXA was on Bromsgrove to Stourbridge 318s.
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 12, 2014, 09:44:05 PM
Quote from: John on June 12, 2014, 09:24:13 PM
Quote from: clayderman on June 12, 2014, 09:21:01 PM
I saw (what I think was) MX60 GXH on the 004 at Court Oak Road, West Boulevard around 15:44 (btw, it's an e200, Unusual? Seeing as it's usual allocation is presumably Pointer Darts.
One of the Enviro200s I saw parked in Merry Hill today had a round blue sticker on one of the near-side windows with 004 on it, like the 'BV55' Darts. It might be used alongside the Darts on the 004
I also noticed that Harborne was spelt Harbourne on the sticker as well
Said branded E200 is 2602 MX60GXH.
Also, 2600 MX60BXA was on Bromsgrove to Stourbridge 318s.
Enviro200s are on the 004 all the time, it is unusual to see one on the 318 though.
Bear in mind, the reg might not be what I had said, giving that I was on the other side of Court Oak Road.
@Matt, sorry. :/ I only ever get to see pointer darts. A first for me! ::)
Quote from: clayderman on June 12, 2014, 10:49:05 PM
Bear in mind, the reg might not be what I had said, giving that I was on the other side of Court Oak Road.
@Matt, sorry. :/ I only ever get to see pointer darts. A first for me! ::)
@clayderman no need to apologise, it's not a crime!!
PD0001124/37 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Merry Hill Bus Station and Dudley Bus Staion given service number X26 effective from 07-Aug-2014.
Quote from: 4Q on June 18, 2014, 11:02:04 AM
PD0001124/37 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Merry Hill Bus Station and Dudley Bus Staion given service number X26 effective from 07-Aug-2014.
Thought they had no plans to cancel the X26 ???
They aught to try the 222 if GRS cant get their act together. I hear the passengers on the route arent that impressed with the current frequency.
@Stuharris 6360When something is said like that, that means (especially in local government) that
there is no current plans at that moment in time. Obviously things may change, especially in the bus industry which may warrant constant review/constant consideration which means that that consideration must be considered at appropriate time points.
@bususer12Personally I think that if Hansons wanted to aim for the 222, the would have done it by now.
@the treainbasher Strangely enough have seen several X26s over the last few days and they had healthy loads.
Can't understand the lack of competition on the 222, yes NXWM have put new buses out there but almost halved the frequency in the last few years and it is always busy and the Enviro's seem to cope worse with full loads than the B6's did, certainly feel more cramped, I avoid travelling on it whenever possible, some money to be made for a small operator on it surely, return fares?
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on June 18, 2014, 06:13:28 PM
Can't understand the lack of competition on the 222, yes NXWM have put new buses out there but almost halved the frequency in the last few years and it is always busy and the Enviro's seem to cope worse with full loads than the B6's did, certainly feel more cramped, I avoid travelling on it whenever possible, some money to be made for a small operator on it surely, return fares?
Have heard numerous people say recently that if they have an appointment at RHH, they use Merry Hill car park and use the 222 to the hospital, so yes considering that i often see 222 nearly full, a change of timetable or competition is definitely needed.
To there credit, i don't think that Hanson's are a firm who like to go in competition with other firms, but they might have considered running the X26 between Merry Hill & Dudley going into RHH.
One of the V reg MPDs was on the 004 today. It's such a good bus for what it is, Hansons really do have a great fleet of vehicles.
Can't remember if it was yesterday or today, but saw a Hansons bus going along Park Lane just displaying 4?
1526 is on the 251 today
https://flic.kr/p/oqjZYm
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 22, 2014, 09:23:09 AM
1526 is on the 251 today
https://flic.kr/p/oqjZYm
dude its the 267
@Jon it is on the 251 after the photo as it arrived in as a 267 but changed to do the days 251/226 (1805 ex Merry Hill 226 trip) board. That's why I said it's on the 251 as it should pass my current position any minute now...
Yes i saw it on the 251 earlier! Why is the blind wound to yellow?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 22, 2014, 02:51:33 PM
Yes i saw it on the 251 earlier! Why is the blind wound to yellow?
Obviously the Centrads haven't been fitted
0520/0521/2610/2611 have Moblitecs
1800/0060/0030?/2600/2601/2602 have Hanovers (0030 I think has Hanovers anyway)
0315/0316/0387/0389/0797/1510-1512/1520-1525/1550/1551/1742 have Centrads
1526 has rollers
PD0001124/16 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Stourbridge Bus Station and Bromsgrove Bus Station given service number 318/319 effective from 01-Sep-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
Worcestershire changes I believe
1526 now has Centrads. It's on the 251 today I believe...
0520/0521/2602/2610/2611 have Moblitecs
1800/0060/0030?/2600/2601 have Hanovers (0030 I think has Hanovers anyway)
0315/0316/0387/0389/0797/1510-1512/1520-1525/1526/1550/1551/1742 have Centrads
On Monday there was a pointer on the 231 with LEDs, but only the via points were visible. The rest of the display was solid orange so no route number or destination was visible.
@n94 I've noticed centrads tend to show similar problems a load. It's because they are cheap and cheerful!
Hansons latest bus if any one wants it now on 226 X26 as I asked a driver where it was today https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/14809119221/
What are the four designated buses for the 004. I know 1551,15**,2601 but what is the other one?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 05, 2014, 08:46:43 AM
What are the four designated buses for the 004. I know 1551,15**,2601 but what is the other one?
1524, 1550, 1551 & 2602
Dart 0315 is on the 228
A refurbished/new bus (not quite sure) was on 004 looking very smart
1550 been painted into hansons livery
i have uploaded some pic's of 2600 in her's new colours
https://www.flickr.com/photos/train_nut/
1525, 387 004 today
PD0001124/17 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Stourbridge bus station and Kingswinford Cross given service number 657/657 effective from 26-Oct-2014. To amend Route, Stopping Places and Timetable.
PD0001124/30 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Stourbridge Bus Station and Kingswinford, Manor Park given service number 267 effective from 26-Oct-2014. To amend Route and Timetable.
1526 has gained a blue stripe where the green would normally be and also marked in memory of one of the drivers who passed away recently
Yes Steve Beamer died while at work very recently and we felt it right to remember him on a bus he drove on the 226.
The Blue stripe has been put on as he was a huge WBA fan.
RIP Steve.
J
Quote from: Hansons Buses Official on October 09, 2014, 04:56:32 PM
Yes Steve Beamer died while at work very recently and we felt it right to remember him on a bus he drove on the 226.
The Blue stripe has been put on as he was a huge WBA fan.
RIP Steve.
J
I have seen 1526 i think it nice touch to Steve shame what happened
1526 KU52RXT - In Memory of Steve Beamer
http://www.busphotography.co.uk/picture.php?/217/category/1
2640 waiting between trips
http://busphotography.co.uk/picture.php?/10808/category/1
Nice photo Trainbasher.
J
I think 2640 on 004 today, looked new and definitely a long enviro
2640 was on 318 service as usual.J
Quote from: Hansons Buses Official on November 25, 2014, 06:14:36 PM
2640 was on 318 service as usual.J
It's 2600 on 004, looked brand new
Saw an 004 earlier (sorry didn't catch the fleet number) and its display was so small, you could hardly read HARBORNE!
Same on the long e200 on 226 with Dudley
It's 2600 you have both seen with the small destination display, noticed it yesterday on the 226
It looks like someone's changed the programming on the hanovers on 2600 looking at it.
What route is 2600 designated too. Please put it on 004 tommorow for the half past departure :)
2640 in Bromsgrove on a 318 around 11.45 this morning. 8)
Quote from: B61 ANDREW on November 29, 2014, 12:11:16 PM
2640 in Bromsgrove on a 318 around 11.45 this morning. 8)
..... and also seen in Hagley around 5.00 this evening! 8)
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 27, 2014, 08:42:38 PM
What route is 2600 designated too. Please put it on 004 tommorow for the half past departure :)
Normally lives on the 226
hansons 64 reg on 318 service https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16176993125/
Quote from: Solo1 on January 02, 2015, 07:06:41 PM
hansons 64 reg on 318 service https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16176993125/
Its booked on there and on the 1755 267 off Stourbridge.
I must admit hansons are very fair with diamond vehicles. Usually it gets into halesowen about 25 past, even though not due out till 33 past. The other day it got in before the 142 which departs at 28 past, so he moved off the stand and went back around, so that the 142 could stay on time. Also if the 002 is running behind the 004, the 004 will often stop at the bottom of the hill at halesowen to let the 002 past.
Drivers are very friendly, the other weekend I had a chatty driver who was talking about where the nearest post office talking to passengers.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 27, 2015, 06:30:10 PM
I must admit hansons are very fair with diamond vehicles. Usually it gets into halesowen about 25 past, even though not due out till 33 past. The other day it got in before the 142 which departs at 28 past, so he moved off the stand and went back around, so that the 142 could stay on time. Also if the 002 is running behind the 004, the 004 will often stop at the bottom of the hill at halesowen to let the 002 past.
Drivers are very friendly, the other weekend I had a chatty driver who was talking about where the nearest post office talking to passengers.
That's not "fair": it's the rules. They should only be on stand when their buses (004's) are meant to be there. Best incident I witnessed was a 002 driver sitting there about 2 minutes until they were due out, 004 sat beeping behind. Needless to say it wasn't due in... ::)
Quote from: Matt on January 27, 2015, 11:15:15 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 27, 2015, 10:45:40 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 27, 2015, 06:30:10 PM
I must admit hansons are very fair with diamond vehicles. Usually it gets into halesowen about 25 past, even though not due out till 33 past. The other day it got in before the 142 which departs at 28 past, so he moved off the stand and went back around, so that the 142 could stay on time. Also if the 002 is running behind the 004, the 004 will often stop at the bottom of the hill at halesowen to let the 002 past.
Drivers are very friendly, the other weekend I had a chatty driver who was talking about where the nearest post office talking to passengers.
That's not "fair": it's the rules. They should only be on stand when their buses (004's) are meant to be there. Best incident I witnessed was a 002 driver sitting there about 2 minutes until they were due out, 004 sat beeping behind. Needless to say it wasn't due in... ::)
The same rules which most Diamond drivers seem unable to follow/understand
Isn't it a case of drivers are allowed on stand 3/5 minutes before you're due on normal stands(not city ctr). If a late bus pulls behind, it's tough, unless the driver on stand wishes to loop around.
Note; this is an assumption, could a driver confirm?
You are correct. You are allowed to be on stand for 5 mins unless the previous departure is already there in which case you must wait until he has departed.
In city centre it is 3 mins.
Quote from: Steveminor on January 28, 2015, 05:53:35 AM
You are correct. You are allowed to be on stand for 5 mins unless the previous departure is already there in which case you must wait until he has departed.
In city centre it is 3 mins.
Not always true. On some City Centre stands you are allowed up to 10 minutes
That's as long as there are no other departures within the time slot
Quote from: Steveminor on January 28, 2015, 11:35:18 AM
That's as long as there are no other departures within the time slot
Which is why I put some. Also some city centre stops including the one at the back of Selfridges are bus stops, not bus stands so you should only stop for as long as it takes to unload or load passengers which is why BCC/Centro got upset with Green Bus taking their breaks there
& some are double stands which means 2 buses can be timed to depart at the same time.
With TGB situation I wonder how long it would have been before any action was taken against them had they not pulled off
Quote from: Steveminor on January 28, 2015, 12:16:32 PM
& some are double stands which means 2 buses can be timed to depart at the same time.
With TGB situation I wonder how long it would have been before any action was taken against them had they not pulled off
I wonder if them pulling off was Centro's action
@Steveminor as they appeared to come off very suddenly without 56 days' notice.
Quote from: Matt on January 28, 2015, 07:16:18 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on January 28, 2015, 01:35:17 PM
Quote from: Steveminor on January 28, 2015, 12:16:32 PM
& some are double stands which means 2 buses can be timed to depart at the same time.
With TGB situation I wonder how long it would have been before any action was taken against them had they not pulled off
I wonder if them pulling off was Centro's action @Steveminor as they appeared to come off very suddenly without 56 days' notice.
56 days notice was given, most people on here are clearly not observant enough to notice the obvious!
Lol they came off bit by bit lol-I went out near the end and there were 2/3 buses on there :P What a way to run a bus service... Then the re-starting for a day or so! Couldn't make it up!
With respect chaps, Hansons pages. >:(
What bus routes do this operator have
208, 225, 226, 227, 228, 250/251, 287, 318 & 657, as well as others i've probably forgotten
http://jp.networkwestmidlands.com/centro/XSLT_SELTT_REQUEST?language=en
Type Hansons into the operator box.
What's on 004 today
I never knew hansons operated a number 55 service?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 08, 2015, 11:13:53 AM
I never knew hansons operated a number 55 service?
They took it over from Diamond at the last round of tender changes in October.
Quote from: Stu on February 08, 2015, 11:38:50 AM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 08, 2015, 11:13:53 AM
I never knew hansons operated a number 55 service?
They took it over from Diamond at the last round of tender changes in October.
Any idea what bus they operate on it?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 08, 2015, 11:45:15 AM
Quote from: Stu on February 08, 2015, 11:38:50 AM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 08, 2015, 11:13:53 AM
I never knew hansons operated a number 55 service?
They took it over from Diamond at the last round of tender changes in October.
Any idea what bus they operate on it?
envrio 200
Quote from: Solo1 on February 08, 2015, 12:29:50 PM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 08, 2015, 11:45:15 AM
Quote from: Stu on February 08, 2015, 11:38:50 AM
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 08, 2015, 11:13:53 AM
I never knew hansons operated a number 55 service?
They took it over from Diamond at the last round of tender changes in October.
Any idea what bus they operate on it?
envrio 200
Usually an Enviro, a '61' plate today. Although a dart has popped up on occasion, like yesterday and midweek last week
Some very healthy loadings on 1550 and 1551 today on the 004, was 3/4 full, and diamond had 2 people on.
0389 on 004 today, on the 15:30 towards harborne, unusual to see anything other than 1550/1551 on that board
Quote from: Matt on March 07, 2015, 08:03:20 PM
Compliments to the 231 driver this afternoon...stopped to pick me up even though I was in my own little world playing on my phone, greeting and thanking passengers too
Is he the one with white hair and glasses?
I've noticed hansons have recruited another ex 002 driver, driving the 15:30 to merry hill with another hansons
Correct another Diamond driver has joined the team, was out on the 004 yesterday :D
1550 now in fleet livery not sure when this was painted on 004 yesterday https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16894123971/in/photostream/
Quote from: Solo1 on March 22, 2015, 05:31:58 PM
1550 now in fleet livery not sure when this was painted on 004 yesterday https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16894123971/in/photostream/
Been like it ever since I've been at Hansons, so at least October.
Quote from: Solo1 on March 22, 2015, 05:31:58 PM
1550 now in fleet livery not sure when this was painted on 004 yesterday https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/16894123971/in/photostream/
Yes been like that for long time.
Also what route do hansons try and put 2600 on? And what operates on 250/251?
2600 226
2601 250
Different dart each day 251
Quote from: Matt on March 30, 2015, 12:05:01 PM
1520 on the 226! Still with 318 on side and rear blinds
Left MH at 12:00 - 25 mins late??
What?! Hansons running late on the 226- I thought they were perfect and never did that?! Maybe it shows late running affects long routes like the 226 regardless of operator and we could stop the insanely boring and tiresome posts about late Diamonds on there.... ::)
E200 on the 267/657 - KX59CYV
http://busphotography.co.uk/picture.php?/11234/category/1
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 30, 2015, 01:11:22 PM
E200 on the 267/657 - KX59CYV
http://busphotography.co.uk/picture.php?/11234/category/1
is this a loan as there's no Hansons fleet names on unless they haven't had time to
put them on
Quote from: Solo1 on March 30, 2015, 01:38:41 PM
is this a loan as there's no Hansons fleet names on unless they haven't had time to
put them on
I spoke to a driver on SN51 plate pointer at Stourbridge and said its our latest one to fleet so possible a new one or on loan
KX59CYV on loan at the moment. Replacing 0389 which was involved in RTC, and may have run its last KM.
J
Late running today on 226 due to resurfacing on Rangeways Road Kingswinford, and a laid back attitude by the" Lollipop men". Even worse than the last few days.
J
Quote from: Matt on March 30, 2015, 12:05:01 PM
1520 on the 226! Still with 318 on side and rear blinds
Left MH at 12:00 - 25 mins late??
As far as I'm aware none of our 226's have run 25 minutes down today??? Think the worst was about 10 down at one stage and that was 1523 that left MH at 1115 rather than 1105 due to getting delayed at Rangeways in the roadworks.
Where was 1551 today?
Also any reason for 0060 being on 231?
Inspection and yard position
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 30, 2015, 07:10:35 PM
Where was 1551 today?
Also any reason for 0060 being on 231?
1551 was VOR today.
I must say 1550 and 1551 are very rattly at standstill, however I do like there loud engine noise, what was the reason for stopping your buses at church croft, just before the halesowen bus station?
Because of the fact the 004 stand is usually held up by a 002 or late running 142!
Latest addition to hansons fleet
KX59CYV ADL Dart E200 entered service 30/03/15
Is it true hansons may take over the 142? Please do, at least it may be more reliable
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 01, 2015, 06:47:27 PM
Is it true hansons may take over the 142? Please do, at least it may be more reliable
I have heard some rumours about what may or may not happen this year.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 01, 2015, 06:47:27 PM
Is it true hansons may take over the 142? Please do, at least it may be more reliable
Don't think Hansons would improve the reliability of the 142 service, it needs extra time which can't be added otherwise you would need more than 2 buses.
My thought would be, as the 99 is supposed to be extended to Hayley Green, is to extend the 142 to Dudley via the 244 route and virtually bring back the old 242!
Quote from: Matt on April 01, 2015, 06:56:05 PM
However they unlike Diamond may be able to interwork it with another service meaning extra time can be added without excessive layover
you would have to interwork it with the 287 which is also 1/2 hourly, but still say you would have tight turnarounds if you did, unless you combined the 2 services??
Quote from: Matt on April 01, 2015, 07:06:02 PM
Interwork 142 & 287 and put an extra bus out between them that way they both get a bit of extra time as opposed to the 142 having loads and the 287 not having any
I'm not sure the commercial 142 and part commercial 287 could bear the costs of an extra bus, even if split between 142/287. I also think it's unlikely Hanson's could simply take it over. It's a Diamond commercial service, not tendered, other than evenings and Sundays.
Quote from: DiamondDart on April 01, 2015, 07:14:41 PM
I'm not sure the commercial 142 and part commercial 287 could bear the costs of an extra bus, even if split between 142/287. I also think it's unlikely Hanson's could simply take it over. It's a Diamond commercial service, not tendered, other than evenings and Sundays.
The 142 is another of those services that it will be interesting to see what happens at Bus Review time, pity Diamond didn't have anything at Halesowen that could interwork with it?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 01, 2015, 07:21:46 PM
The 142 is another of those services that it will be interesting to see what happens at Bus Review time, pity Diamond didn't have anything at Halesowen that could interwork with it?
the only other routes they have are 4h/m and 202
Quote from: Rhys S on April 01, 2015, 08:19:11 PM
the only other routes they have are 4h/m and 202
Not true. 4M cancelled and never served Halesowen anyway plus you've forgotten the 192.
Quote from: Matt on April 01, 2015, 08:27:23 PM
And 002. Lol
Well clearly that doesn't terminate at Halesowen so you'd never interwork it would you ::)
Quote from: Matt on April 01, 2015, 08:33:02 PM
Didn't say it would, although on that note the 192 is at a different garage so wouldn't anyway. ;)
Well, had the plan been to interwork with the 192 (which wouldn't occur due to the 7 I know), then the 142 could have been kept at KR and then they wouldn't have been at different garages... ;)
Unless you transferred the 192 to Kidderminster and had some kind of interworking where it went as follows
202...142...new service to Bromsgrove
192...142...new service to Kidderminster
The 202 would need putting back to xx30 off halesowen and the 192 to xx00 off halesowen
Or we could just get back on topic i.e. Hansons
I was merely commenting on what others were saying and providing a potential solution. O s th t n all w d?
2640 is on there
At a guess off the 657?
Quote from: Matt on April 04, 2015, 03:23:46 PM
1520 having a day on the 226 wonder what's in its place on the 318
I though there was only 1 bus that runs the 318 as it is every 2 hours
Who do i contact to visit Hansons Garage
Quote from: Rhys S on April 04, 2015, 09:07:08 PM
Who do i contact to visit Hansons Garage
You could try contacting Hansons!
http://www.hansonslocalbus.co.uk/contact-details.asp
Quote from: Matt on April 04, 2015, 08:37:58 PM
No 2 buses I see both every time I finish early, 2640 and 1520
they run an extra bus at approx 3.35 Mon to Sat & also 7.35 Mon to Friday
YY64GWD on 318 today Stourbridge-Bromsgrove
1520 is on the 004
Most 226 journys are being diverted via Brierley Hill Road and Moor Street (the old Petes travel route) as there is resurfacing on Swan Lane
Quote from: the trainbasher on April 11, 2015, 02:52:54 PM
Most 226 journys are being diverted via Brierley Hill Road and Moor Street (the old Petes travel route) as there is resurfacing on Swan Lane
Pete's Travel ran the 226?
@DiamondDart the 226 is formed mainly from the 264/5 and 274/5 (the latter pairing of which Petes Travel ran - then Pensnett gained the tender)
Quote from: the trainbasher on April 11, 2015, 02:55:04 PM
@DiamondDart the 226 is formed mainly from the 264/5 and 274/5 (the latter pairing of which Petes Travel ran - then Pensnett gained the tender)
Thanks for the info
@the trainbasher ! Looking at the guide to Merry Hill from 2000, TMH were running it then so presumably Pete's ran it before 2000?
Quote from: DiamondDart on April 11, 2015, 02:58:47 PM
Thanks for the info @the trainbasher ! Looking at the guide to Merry Hill from 2000, TMH were running it then so presumably Pete's ran it before 2000?
I think it was sometime between 2005/2006 when the tender changed.
Quote from: the trainbasher on April 11, 2015, 03:00:24 PM
I think it was sometime between 2005/2006 when the tender changed.
Ah right, thanks. Didn't BCC also run a supported version of the 226 at one time as well?
Quote from: DiamondDart on April 11, 2015, 03:01:31 PM
Ah right, thanks. Didn't BCC also run a supported version of the 226 at one time as well?
I honestly don't remember Birmingham coach on there. I know midland red west did the 264 in the early mornings (tendered) but they went by 2000
@Trident 4194 the last trip today of 1742 should be the 1835 off Stourbridge
I think 0520 could do with some work on the breaks...
1551 is missing today I think
Quote from: Matt on April 18, 2015, 07:45:22 PM
White 59 plate E200 on the 231 today.
It was on there yesterday aswell on 231
0315 was on the 251 (Saturday) , sure its a 208 vehicle
Where is 0060 usually located? Also haven't seen 2600 for a while
@Trident 4194 2600 can usually be Found on the 226
0316 now in new livery this carried an advert all over https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/17079862118/
Is it me or does it seem like the 225 only runs when it wants to. Came into merry hell at 1908 not in service.
What is the point in running it!!
Quote from: the trainbasher on April 29, 2015, 07:12:02 PM
Is it me or does it seem like the 225 only runs when it wants to. Came into merry hell at 1908 not in service.
What is the point in running it!!
Exactly, its only 1 journey. Does it ever carry any passengers?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 29, 2015, 07:14:37 PM
Exactly, its only 1 journey. Does it ever carry any passengers?
Most I've known is 6...the 226 that is officially 10 minutes behind (but in reality it's 15 minutes as the 225 usually runs early...When it runs!!!) carry more.
It originally had a 1835 off Merry Hill as well yet diamond ran late on their 1820 causing it to not carry anyone, hence the withdrawal of that trip.
I bet if the trip was re registered as a 226 to Kingswinford, it would carry more passengers. I have seen people let it go, catch the 226 and get off before Kingswinford.
Quote from: bususer12 on April 29, 2015, 07:58:35 PM
I bet if the trip was re registered as a 226 to Kingswinford, it would carry more passengers. I have seen people let it go, catch the 226 and get off before Kingswinford.
Is it just basically a 226E then?
Hansons 004 running 20 minutes late departed 16:50 to merry hill instead of 16:30
0521-004
anyone notice what was on the 226 today??
As a guess the new bus Hanson has
Quote from: Solo1 on May 15, 2015, 09:42:04 PM
As a guess the new bus Hanson has
Yep - 1540 KP54BZA
http://www.busphotography.co.uk/picture.php?/11282
1525 has low tech displays today...I.e. Paper number displays
1525 has been swapped off the 004 because the engine _________ came on and had no destination blinds. Anyone know what swapped it? It should do the 13:40 from merry hill the changeover bus
If anyone knows where 0060 is tommorow please let me know
What's on 231 today?
Can folks keep an eye out for KV03ZGR (I assume it'll have fleet number 0031?) today please?
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 02, 2015, 09:02:50 AM
Can folks keep an eye out for KV03ZGR (I assume it'll have fleet number 0031?) today please?
@the trainbasher was supposed to work the 231 this morning and then go for paint.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 02, 2015, 02:30:11 PM
@the trainbasher was supposed to work the 231 this morning and then go for paint.
OK cheers
1525 has gone low tech with its displays...
http://www.busphotography.co.uk/picture.php?/215
PD0001124/35 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Merry Hill Centre and Kingswinford, Cross given service number 225 effective from 29-Jul-2015.
Quote from: Winston on June 09, 2015, 12:33:04 PM
PD0001124/35 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Merry Hill Centre and Kingswinford, Cross given service number 225 effective from 29-Jul-2015.
Try getting one tonight and you'll see why it's been given the bullet...
Quote from: Winston on June 09, 2015, 12:33:04 PM
PD0001124/35 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Merry Hill Centre and Kingswinford, Cross given service number 225 effective from 29-Jul-2015.
What a surprise!!!
KV03ZGR on the 208 this evening. I guess it's fleet number is 0031 as it fits in with the other 03 plate?
http://busphotography.co.uk/picture.php?/11610/category/1
0060 is on the 55 today
Normally an E200
2600 is advertising Swift PAYG
Todays Special 227 to the Kinver Fayre was MX61BCU 2611.
1551-004 :00 past Halesowen departure, very unusual
@Trident 4194 probably yard positioning
What is KV03ZGR normal service p
Quote from: Solo1 on June 24, 2015, 09:53:19 PM
What is KV03ZGR normal service p
Think it was on the 657 yesterday
Solo 1
I believe KV03ZGR is on 208 but allocations are in state of flux as new buses/cascading of fleet is going on as can be seen in the earlier comments this week
J
Anyone noticed what's on the 004...
I really do enjoy having the 267 drive past me when I give ample intention that I wish to board!
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 25, 2015, 06:13:20 PM
I really do enjoy having the 267 drive past me when I give ample intention that I wish to board!
Oh dear, what buses were on 004 today? As I'm getting 004 tomorrow
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 25, 2015, 06:25:07 PM
2640 was on there
00 past departures from Halesowen by any chance?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 25, 2015, 06:28:41 PM
00 past departures from Halesowen by any chance?
1800 off Harborne it was
Quote from: the trainbasher on June 25, 2015, 06:32:20 PM
1800 off Harborne it was
That is very unusual the 30 past departures seem to be strictly put to 1550/1551
2640,1520,155*,1512 on 004 today. Very unusual
Anyone after 1540 will find it on the 0925 merry hill to kinver
YY64GWD 2640 is on 004
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on June 27, 2015, 10:50:49 AM
YY64GWD 2640 is on 004
1110, 1310, 1510, 1710 off merry hill
YY15NHO on the 318 in Bromsgrove earlier. :)
1540 was on 228 also
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 27, 2015, 04:37:42 PM
1540 was on 228 also
Got a picture of 1540 at Merry Hill today
https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/19017525979/in/dateposted/
KV03ZGR was on the 228 this morning, unususal to see anything but an Enviro 200 pn there!
2640 has taken up residence in 004
Waiting for 226 to find 1522 come 15 down, driving straight past apparently full even though there was still legal standing room avaliable...
...oh well looks like it's a wait for diamond...and a missed train!
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 09, 2015, 10:06:52 AM
Waiting for 226 to find 1522 come 15 down, driving straight past apparently full even though there was still legal standing room avaliable...
...oh well looks like it's a wait for diamond...and a missed train!
Isn't standing at the drivers discretion?
Ex Hanson's 2600 MX60BXA is now with Hulley's of Baslow acquired via Mistral
0031-287
YY15 NHO Fleetnumber is to be 2150
YY15 NHX Fleetnumber is to be 2151
The 250 was nice and busy this morning around 10:05 E200 running just in front of an X96, it had a standing load including a number of passengers on the platform and one holding onto the drivers cab leaning against the windscreen.......
Quote from: pndriver on August 05, 2015, 03:50:37 PM
The 250 was nice and busy this morning around 10:05 E200 running just in front of an X96, it had a standing load including a number of passengers on the platform and one holding onto the drivers cab leaning against the windscreen.......
Glad to see there getting healthy loadings
Quote from: pndriver on August 05, 2015, 03:50:37 PM
The 250 was nice and busy this morning around 10:05 E200 running just in front of an X96, it had a standing load including a number of passengers on the platform and one holding onto the drivers cab leaning against the windscreen.......
running on time then
Quote from: karl724223 on August 05, 2015, 08:48:15 PM
running on time then
Depends on where
@pndriver was at 10.05. At 10.05, the 250 is meant to be at Stourbridge, and the X96 by Corbetts Hospital, so it wouldn't be more than 5 mins late, just getting it's load of pensioners for that time of the morning.
not been posted yet Hansons has another side advert seen todaybin Stourbridge https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/20308393920/in/dateposted-public/
Rode YY15NHX on 228 today
Nice happy driver
He was telling passengers about a calendar there selling on their buses from October
and they doing a photoshoot Sunday
(It's to raise money for British heart foundation)
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 13, 2015, 01:25:06 PM
Rode YY15NHX on 228 today
Nice happy driver
He was telling passengers about a calendar there selling on their buses from October
and they doing a photoshoot Sunday
(It's to raise money for British heart foundation)
To be fair, hansons drivers always seem jolly and happy
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on August 13, 2015, 01:25:06 PM
Rode YY15NHX on 228 today
Nice happy driver
He was telling passengers about a calendar there selling on their buses from October
and they doing a photoshoot Sunday
(It's to raise money for British heart foundation)
Hansons Bus Calander ?
Quote from: RS on August 13, 2015, 03:13:52 PM
Hansons Bus Calander ?
yes its to raise money for British Heart Foundation
and they are also doing it for a driver who passed away last year
Hanson's yellow loaned envrio was out today on 231 in Halesowen https://www.flickr.com/photos/stanjack/20634900356/in/dateposted-public/
Does anyone know if the long haired driver still works for hansons, used to be on the 004?
No he doesn't he left about 4 months ago
hi what nigel last name the one who drives the 004 bus please
I'll find out for you
Quote from: patrickdav on September 24, 2015, 07:11:09 PM
hi what nigel last name the one who drives the 004 bus please
Nigel's the ex diamond one, very friendly actually
Info from my friend Ross
New addition to Hanson's
YX65RHA Enviro 200
The orders for the buses have been delayed don't know why they should have had them by now
The new bus was in service today on the 250 short wheel base enviro 200
Anyone know what service the 65 reg was on Saturday as it was parked up at merry hill awaiting time see my pic on photo link
Quote from: Solo1 on October 11, 2015, 11:07:30 AM
Anyone know what service the 65 reg was on Saturday as it was parked up at merry hill awaiting time see my pic on photo link
@Solo1 It might've been on 250
as Hansons has allocated YX65RHA on that route
1742 or 1800 on 004
1742 has been withdrawn for a good while and 1800 haven't seen it in ages
1511 broken down in Church Street Stourbridge.
1540 has been on the 287 today. That's a rare one for that route
Fail. :
Merry Hell.
About 12:15. A copy of today's Metro in the cab is an effective date stamp too.
Hanson has fleet no. 34 KV03ZFY on 55 service today
1520 broken down in Halesowen this morning
Replaced by a small e200
Dart T315SMV is now preserved by Wyvern Bus Preservation Group
Photo here - https://www.facebook.com/Wyvernbus/photos/a.306718342855640.1073741828.250199495174192/423320901195383/?type=3&theater
0031
0032
0033
0034
Are all now in service at hansons 0034 was on the 251 this afternoon
8. PD0001124/38 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Variation Accepted: Operating between Brandhall Interchange and Cape Hill Asda given service number 55 effective from 10-Apr-2016. To amend Timetable.
Anyone know which routes 0032 and 0033 usually get on?
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 17, 2016, 03:33:59 PM
Anyone know which routes 0032 and 0033 usually get on?
Glad to see you back. 0032 was on 231 today
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 17, 2016, 03:33:59 PM
Anyone know which routes 0032 and 0033 usually get on?
Hi @Trainbasher
0031 - 250
0032 - 208
0033- 208
0034 - 251
that is what they are usually on mate
Quote from: RS on February 17, 2016, 06:16:40 PM
Hi @Trainbasher
0031 - 250
0032 - 208
0033- 208
0034 - 251
that is what they are usually on mate
@RS do you know where 2640 is allocated or 1522?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 17, 2016, 06:44:59 PM
@RS do you know where 2640 is allocated or 1522?
@Trident 4194 2640 is usually allocated to the 226 mate
and 1522 can be found on either the 004 226 or 287 as thats where it has been floating about lately mate
Quote from: RS on February 17, 2016, 07:01:05 PM
@Trident 4194 2640 is usually allocated to the 226 mate
and 1522 can be found on either the 004 226 or 287 as thats where it has been floating about lately mate
Thankyou,
Mpd-004
PD0001124/16 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Stourbridge Bus Station and Bromsgrove Bus Station given service number 318/319 effective from 10-Apr-2016. To amend Route.
Possibly taking in a part of the withdrawn 147?
Centro have said it is to serve Bromsgrove Rail Station
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/1316/busservicechanges-issued-20160302.pdf
Right at the bottom (Page 12)
Quote from: Adam 404 on March 03, 2016, 03:44:10 PM
Centro have said it is to serve Bromsgrove Rail Station
http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/media/1316/busservicechanges-issued-20160302.pdf
Right at the bottom (Page 12)
@Adam 404 Yes have read that , but it already serves Bromsgrove Railway Station???
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 03, 2016, 08:46:48 PM
@Adam 404 Yes have read that , but it already serves Bromsgrove Railway Station???
Sorry
@Stuharris 6360 I am not very familiar with Bromsgrove. I was only saying what it said there. Once again... Centro don't have a clue!!
Quote from: Adam 404 on March 03, 2016, 09:18:13 PM
Sorry @Stuharris 6360 I am not very familiar with Bromsgrove. I was only saying what it said there. Once again... Centro don't have a clue!!
No problem
@Adam 404 , maybe its route is to be altered getting to the Railway Station. I presume it will start to get busier when the new electric services to Birmingham start.
Don't forget that the new Bromsgrove station is due to open in the spring. The route would need to be extended sometime from the present station to the new one which is further south.
It would be logic if '319' is going to be a two-hourly service between Bromsgrove Rail Station and Halesowen which, where it combines with 318, will enhance the service between Bromsgrove Rail and Catshill to hourly in the off peak. I would be surprised if the Romsley area etc. gets anything better.
There is no longer a 319. It was originally a once a day alternative line of route out of Bromsgrove missing out the hospital.It just remains on the registration system at TC.
There is no change to the number of journies that the 318 will do to the station, but a slight change to the route to access the new station.J
ex 58....
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45168281@N05/24990134874/
Quote from: Jon on March 08, 2016, 08:30:18 PM
ex 58....
https://www.flickr.com/photos/45168281@N05/24990134874/
@Jon Its Ex Hanson's 2581
Mini e200-004
PD0001124/16 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Variation Accepted: Operating between Stourbridge Bus Station and Bromsgrove Bus Station given service number 318/319 effective from 22-May-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
Quote from: Hansons Buses Official on March 04, 2016, 07:14:30 PM
There is no longer a 319. It was originally a once a day alternative line of route out of Bromsgrove missing out the hospital.It just remains on the registration system at TC.
There is no change to the number of journies that the 318 will do to the station, but a slight change to the route to access the new station.J
Quote from: Cedric on March 21, 2016, 11:58:24 AM
PD0001124/16 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Variation Accepted: Operating between Stourbridge Bus Station and Bromsgrove Bus Station given service number 318/319 effective from 22-May-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
Quote from: Roy on March 03, 2016, 10:02:07 PM
Don't forget that the new Bromsgrove station is due to open in the spring. The route would need to be extended sometime from the present station to the new one which is further south.
Presume traffic and the roadworks around Quarry Bank High street/Mount Pleasant are causing significant delays today. Think I saw a hansons 208 use Coppice Lane instead of the high street to Merry Hill. Holiday traffic to merry hill probably not helping either.
found on flickr ex 2600 https://www.flickr.com/photos/rods-snaps/21089587160/in/dateposted/
Hansons 1522 currently on the 004 displaying on the rear display
SUBWAY - AIRPORT
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on April 13, 2016, 12:08:43 PM
Hansons 1522 currently on the 004 displaying on the rear display
SUBWAY - AIRPORT
Saw this myself earlier. Thought I had been dropped in America somewhere lol. Had to have a little chuckle at it. :)
PD0001124/11 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Stourbridge, Bus Station and Stourbridge, Bus Station given service number 227 effective from 19-Jun-2016. To amend Timetable.
For the fayre possibly
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 23, 2016, 06:48:43 PM
For the fayre possibly
'Tis indeed for the fayre, one day only extra 227 journeys.
PD0001124/2 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Variation Accepted: Operating between Kinver, White Hill and Brockmoor,Wallows Road given service number 228 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable.
6. PD0001124/11 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Variation Accepted: Operating between Stourbridge, Bus Station and Stourbridge, Bus Station given service number 227 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable.
7. PD0001124/34 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Variation Accepted: Operating between Merry Hill and Harbourne given service number 004 effective from 24-Jul-2016. To amend Timetable.
2640 was on the 287 today. Very rare
PD0001124/11 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Stourbridge, Bus Station and Stourbridge, Bus Station given service number 227 effective from 04-Sep-2016. To amend Timetable.
(VOSA last Friday.)
2640 Has now been painted into Hansons Livery from Hansons White
Some contract changes from 16 October have been announced by TfWM. Hansons have lost the 208 to iGo and the 267/657 to Diamond.
Quote from: Roy on August 26, 2016, 12:13:08 PM
Some contract changes from 16 October have been announced by TfWM. Hansons have lost the 208 to iGo and the 267/657 to Diamond.
Also listed Hanson's have also lost the 231 to Diamond
Quote from: Winston on August 26, 2016, 04:18:09 PM
Also listed Hanson's have also lost the 231 to Diamond
A driver I know there says they've picked up alot of other work though including 298/299 and 122
@bususer12 - not sure what Hanson's bid for, but the routes that have confirmed as being won are all Mon -Sat daytimes only
@Winston has the full list of tenders been released yet? If so, do you have the link to it? EDIT: Just seen the other Hansons page and assuming the info so far has come from there?
Quote from: Matt.N0056 on August 29, 2016, 03:28:54 PM
@Winston has the full list of tenders been released yet? If so, do you have the link to it?
EDIT: Just seen the other Hansons page and assuming the info so far has come from there?
@Matt.N0056 - no, the full tender awards page hasn't been published on Centro's website yet.
My comments were based on what's been confirmed on the forum so far
Quote from: Roy on August 26, 2016, 12:13:08 PM
Some contract changes from 16 October have been announced by TfWM. Hansons have lost the 208 to iGo and the 267/657 to Diamond.
Confirmation:
PD0001124/17 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Stourbridge bus station and Kingswinford Cross given service number 657/657 effective from 22-Oct-2016.
PD0001124/30 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Stourbridge Bus Station and Kingswinford, Manor Park given service number 267 effective from 22-Oct-2016.
PD0001124/31 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Dudley Bus Station and Merry Hill Centre given service number 208 effective from 22-Oct-2016.
Quote from: wyre1947 on August 26, 2016, 09:22:46 PM
A driver I know there says they've picked up alot of other work though including 298/299 and 122
Really quite surprised that the 298/9 has been retendered again when IMO it could be covered by another service.
Surely by diverting one 276 along Springfield Ave and Brook Holloway and then at Foley Arms straight down the Hagley Road as a 276A would surely be more cost effective than the current arrangement.
I did suggest this as part of the Dudley Bus Review but guess that has fallen by the wayside.
Glad Hansons have won the 288 again, when they last operated it it proved very popular, it's noticeable that passengers numbers have dropped significantly over the last few years.
Rumour has it that 226 evening and Sunday service hasnt been retendered and may be history?
That better not be true otherwise it will severely upset several people's commutes, including my own!
Quote from: the trainbasher on September 02, 2016, 11:49:22 PM
That better not be true otherwise it will severely upset several people's commutes, including my own!
As the song goes, these boots are made for walking
Quote from: pndriver on September 03, 2016, 12:04:47 AM
As the song goes, these boots are made for walking
And that's just what they do, one of these days these boots are gonna walk allover you
PD0001124/9 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Variation Accepted: Operating between Stourbridge, Bus Station and Brockmoor given service number 296 effective from 23-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PD0001124/34 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Variation Accepted: Operating between Merry Hill and Harbourne given service number 004 effective from 23-Oct-2016. To amend Timetable.
PD0001124/39 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Brierley Hill
Finish Point: Fartherless Barn
Via:
Service Number: 14
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 23-OCT-2016
Other Details: Monday to Saturday
PD0001124/41 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Foxyards
Finish Point: Merry Hill
Via:
Service Number: 24
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 23-OCT-2016
Other Details: Monday to Saturday
PD0001124/42 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Bearwood
Finish Point: Oldbury
Via:
Service Number: 20
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 23-OCT-2016
Other Details: Monday to Saturday
PD0001124/43 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Olbury
Finish Point: Bearwood
Via:
Service Number: 122
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 23-OCT-2016
Other Details: Monday to Saturday
PD0001124/45 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Stourbridge
Finish Point: Pedmore Fields
Via:
Service Number: 298
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 23-OCT-2016
Other Details: Monday to Friday
1. PD0001124/40 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Wordsley
Finish Point: Stourbridge
Via:
Service Number: 267
Service Type: Normal Stopping
Effective Date: 23-OCT-2016
Other Details: School days only 1 journey am
may be a change to 004 also
Quote from: Winston on September 12, 2016, 09:09:59 PM
Look higher up!
Sorry didn't see that, anyway going back to hourly frequency
Any one seen 0061 SN0RJPU
It isn't even in service yet 250 is usually 0035 and 251 a long 51 reg dart or a 03 reg dart
Quote from: Mercedes1665 on September 24, 2016, 06:52:53 PM
It isn't even in service yet 250 is usually 0035 and 251 a long 51 reg dart or a 03 reg dart
It is in service actually and has been on 251. I see it most days from Tuesday I think been in service
Quote from: Mercedes1665 on September 24, 2016, 06:52:53 PM
It isn't even in service yet 250 is usually 0035 and 251 a long 51 reg dart or a 03 reg dart
It is!
Bashed 0061 Monday afternoon on the 251.
my friend went to get a pic of 0061 SN0RJPU but didn't see it on 250 /1 any know what happened as it should be on there someone said
Quote from: Solo1 on September 27, 2016, 03:36:07 PM
my friend went to get a pic of 0061 SN0RJPU but didn't see it on 250 /1 any know what happened as it should be on there someone said
I will look tommorow for you. Anyone know why 1520 is always outside Stourbridge bus station abandoned? Breakdown bus?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on September 27, 2016, 03:49:20 PM
I will look tommorow for you. Anyone know why 1520 is always outside Stourbridge bus station abandoned? Breakdown bus?
@Trident4194 It is used for a few trips on the 318 on an afternoon
0061 isn't a permanent bus for the 250/251 so it isn't always going to be on that route
PD0001124/29 - HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9 8RD
Variation Accepted: Operating between Stourbridge, Bus Station and Merry Hill given service number 287 effective from 28-Nov-2016. To amend Timetable.
What services do 0061/2570 live on at the moment?
Also is there any more incoming buses to hansons do people know?
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 12, 2016, 04:54:15 PM
What services do 0061/2570 live on at the moment?
Also is there any more incoming buses to hansons do people know?
0061 no doubt would be in merry hill on one route.
Quote from: the trainbasher on October 12, 2016, 04:54:15 PM
What services do 0061/2570 live on at the moment?
Also is there any more incoming buses to hansons do people know?
Don't hold me to this but I'm 99% sure 2570 was on the 14 last week.
Quote from: Dom on October 12, 2016, 06:13:21 PM
Don't hold me to this but I'm 99% sure 2570 was on the 14 last week.
Didn't think that Hanson's operate the 14 yet?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 13, 2016, 10:44:21 AM
Didn't think that Hanson's operate the 14 yet?
They do, they have taken it over from igo early
Quote from: Winston on October 13, 2016, 10:47:38 AM
They do, they have taken it over from igo early
Apologies then, I hadn't heard that
@Winston
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 13, 2016, 11:10:09 AM
Apologies then, I hadn't heard that @Winston
Quote from: Hansons Buses Official on September 29, 2016, 09:00:15 PM
Service Update.
We will be operating the 14 contract for TfWM for Mon 3rd October as we have been asked to start early.
That if anything is the problem with this site, you just can't read every single posting for every single operator.
UID Hanson's bus seen on Love Lane Oldswinford this morning, don't know whether it was on Private Hire or was being used to route learn the 288?
KX59CYV was working for Mikro, Crewe yesterday on their first day of operation of the former GHA 39 service. It would appear to have been with Tate's in the meantime.
When did hansons get 2571 the envrio I know they had 2570
Quote from: Solo1 on December 22, 2016, 05:05:13 PM
When did hansons get 2571 the envrio I know they had 2570
Just after 2570
PD0001124/39
HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9
8RD
Operating between Brierley Hill and Fartherless Barn given service number 14
effective from 12 February 2017. To amend Timetable
PD0001124/41
HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD, 60A HAYES LANE, STOURBRIDGE, DY9
8RD
Operating between Foxyards and Merry Hill given service number 24 effective
from 12 February 2017. To amend Route.
1550/1551 on 298,299 is this the biggest bus to operate route?
2571 on 250
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 04, 2017, 05:04:41 PM
1550/1551 on 298,299 is this the biggest bus to operate route?
It was 1551 with me driving it, 0520 broke down earlier in the morning. 1522 appeared on the route a little later to replace 1551 which was required for something else
Quote from: Trident 4194 on January 04, 2017, 05:04:41 PM
1550/1551 on 298,299 is this the biggest bus to operate route?
If only I had took the post at work over and ran to the Norton Road at the right time :(
0030 been on 14
2570/2571 been on 227,250
155*-251
257* was on 287 yesterday
Back in the 2000s hanson's had the 291/2 were they the exact same route as the 250/1
Quote from: Chris on January 25, 2017, 03:21:09 PM
Back in the 2000s hanson's had the 291/2 were they the exact same route as the 250/1
Not all of it is the same
The 291/2 ran via the full length of Brettle Lane, turning into Mill Street, avoiding Hawbush completely.
The 291/2 followed the current 251 route through Norton, but did a loop of The Broadway.
Also the 250/1 used to run via Trinity Way and Wythemoor Village, and via Moor Street/B4180 between Hawbush and Brierley Hill, NOT Norwood Road.
2572-250
@Trident 4194 there is normally an e200 on the 250 more frequent now since Christmas (there was normally a dart) I normally catch the 296 which does a round trip then 250s
Quote from: Chris on January 31, 2017, 11:11:07 PM
@Trident 4194 there is normally an e200 on the 250 more frequent now since Christmas (there was normally a dart) I normally catch the 296 which does a round trip then 250s
Pretty sure it's a newly acquired one though. I know about 2570/2571.
Does hansons run any commercial routes as I am wondering how hansons makes a profit, I understand they lease the buses and don't own the some of them I.e the enviro 200? I mean how much is an average E200 from new?
Every time I catch the 228 or 251 into merry hill I am probably the only person on the bus that has technically paid via an nbus pass, the vast majority of people using hansons have the concessionary pass.
How much does a operator get of from nbus sales and government funding for the concessions?
226/228/250/251/749/parts of 318/004/227/296 are commercial
004 seems to be not as reliable as it used to be.
PD0001124/40 Cancelled
HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD
Route: Wordsley to Stourbridge
Service number: 267
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 24 Apr 2017
PD0001124/11 Registered
HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD
Route: Stourbridge, Bus Station to Stourbridge, Bus Station
Service number: 227
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 24 Apr 2017
PD0001124/46 Registered
HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD
Route: Dudley to Stourbridge via Merry Hill
Service number: 276
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 24 Apr 2017
PD0001124/2 Registered
HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD
Route: Kinver, White Hill to Brockmoor,Wallows Road via Stourbridge, Merry Hill
Service number: 228
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 24 Apr 2017
PD0001124/34 Registered
HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD
Route: Merry Hill to Harbourne
Service number: 004
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 24 Apr 2017
Been told that Hanson's are getting a new bus in April
Does anyone have any ideas what the changes to the 004 are going to be?
The 276 registration between Dudley and Stourbridge looks interesting!
Quote from: D10 on March 11, 2017, 02:59:20 PM
The 276 registration between Dudley and Stourbridge looks interesting!
Just one trip before the bus goes onto the 24
I note the 228 is being extended to Russell's Hall which is interesting.
@Cheese it's been to Russell's Hall Hospital before....back when PN ran the 296!!
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 14, 2017, 06:57:47 PM
@Cheese it's been to Russell's Hall Hospital before....back when PN ran the 296!!
Can they still do it with just 2 buses?
@Stuharris 6360Based on a back of a envelope calculation I reckon they could possibly if the use the Holly Hall route and cut the layover time at the various points. It'd be tight though
Those calculations also take into account of it not running via Wallows Road or High Oak
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 14, 2017, 07:06:45 PM
@Stuharris 6360
Based on a back of a envelope calculation I reckon they could possibly if the use the Holly Hall route and cut the layover time at the various points. It'd be tight though
Those calculations also take into account of it not running via Wallows Road or High Oak
Thanks Tom, have to see what the timetable says.
@the trainbasher now have had a look at it in comfort, it could be done but as you say it will be very tight.
If it were to follow the X10 route, it would only take a minute more to get to RHH theoretically than go to Brockmore, although we all know what traffic around RHH can be like at times.
There is a bit of spare time in the 228 current timetable as it is given 13 minutes to travel from Brierley Hill Library to Merry Hill Centre and then load ready to leave for Stourbridge.
Quote from: pndriver on March 14, 2017, 05:21:15 PM
Just one trip before the bus goes onto the 24
Thanks for that, was wondering if there was going to a bit of competition, but obviously not!
Quote from: pndriver on March 14, 2017, 05:21:15 PM
Just one trip before the bus goes onto the 24
3 trips according to Network West Midlands?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 15, 2017, 03:41:13 PM
3 trips according to Network West Midlands?
It could be, i was told by a driver that it's one full trip before the bus goes onto the 24
I see the 004 is being increased to every 30 minutes again with a route change in Harborne. Any ideas what amended route will be?
From what I had seen, the 004 did seem to lose passengers to the 142 once it was reduced to hourly so although I hoped the frequency would be increased again, it's a nice surprise that it is happening.
Quote from: sonic84 on March 15, 2017, 06:44:34 PM
I see the 004 is being increased to every 30 minutes again with a route change in Harborne. Any ideas what amended route will be?
From what I had seen, the 004 did seem to lose passengers to the 142 once it was reduced to hourly so although I hoped the frequency would be increased again, it's a nice surprise that it is happening.
I hope it serves Welsh house farm estate and doesn't serve Blandford Rd. Since, 636 was withdrawn that end section of Welsh house Farm Road back in mid 2010, OAPs weren't happy about it and later, I've read elsewhere there was a petition to reinstate it. Also, I remember few years ago when Blandford Rd was closed for 2 weeks, it served that end section and from my observation, especially in the morning there were really good loading. So, yeah, I'd be happy if that happens and I am sure OAPs would be too.
004 timetable on network West Midlands only going to harts green wherever that is
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 23, 2017, 08:44:10 PM
004 timetable on network West Midlands only going to harts green wherever that is
Here - https://goo.gl/maps/wp5ZFZ8hSNH2
Quote from: the trainbasher on March 23, 2017, 08:49:44 PM
Here - https://goo.gl/maps/wp5ZFZ8hSNH2
Not a bad idea of a route. PVR will be 3 I assume. Leaving diamond alone on the harborne section..
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 23, 2017, 08:55:55 PM
Not a bad idea of a route. PVR will be 3 I assume. Leaving diamond alone on the harborne section..
Route it will take to Welsh House Farm I think - https://goo.gl/maps/a53nn2ewnF52
Looking at it, during the day it will need 3 buses, but peaks will need 4 buses...
Route the 228 will take to the Hospital...
https://goo.gl/maps/LMxvaPaesvF2
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 23, 2017, 08:44:10 PM
004 timetable on network West Midlands only going to harts green wherever that is
Only a couple of Monday to Friday peak journeys will go to Harborne.
All other journeys will be rerouted to terminate at Welsh Farm House.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 23, 2017, 08:55:55 PM
Not a bad idea of a route. PVR will be 3 I assume. Leaving diamond alone on the harborne section..
I agree this does look like the route it will need to take. Will provide a new link for the Welsh House Farm area. Nice to see Hansons trying to keep this route going with the competition for Diamond and ofcourse the new opportunities with the 99 being withdrawn.
Only thing I would say is hope the destinations will be programmed to make it clear which journeys are terminating at the Swimming Baths and the one which continues to the Green Man.
Quote from: sonic84 on March 24, 2017, 10:23:37 AM
I agree this does look like the route it will need to take. Will provide a new link for the Welsh House Farm area. Nice to see Hansons trying to keep this route going with the competition for Diamond and ofcourse the new opportunities with the 99 being withdrawn.
Only thing I would say is hope the destinations will be programmed to make it clear which journeys are terminating at the Swimming Baths and the one which continues to the Green Man.
The competition from Diamond only came when Hanson's chose to cut the frequency of the 004 in half, Hanson's created the opportunity for Diamond expand.
What route will it be taking? I can't work it out from the link posted or from the NWWM site. Capern Grove, despite what it says on the NWWM site, is not in the 'Harts Green' area of Harborne (which is where I live). It's definitely Welsh House Farm.
Seems a strange move. I'd hoped it would serve the High St / Green Man throughout the day but be amended to serve Welsh House Farm.
Much as it's pleasing to see the frequency increased back to half hourly I can't see this working. In fact, the timetable is a masterpiece in the art of confusion. Journeys either start from or finish at Harborne Green Man (one journey a day?), Greenfield Road, the swimming baths, or Welsh House Farm. The one that finishes at Greenfield Road takes 5 minutes to get from Serpentine Road. Given that this is only one stop, I can only imagine that this is some sort of world's strongest man competition where competitors pull the bus on a rope for the final stage of the journey. A 90 year old could walk that distance in under 5 minutes.
Quote from: Mike K on March 25, 2017, 12:29:09 AM
I can only imagine that this is some sort of world's strongest man competition where competitors pull the bus on a rope for the final stage of the journey.
It will be and you can watch it in full HD on ESPN 8-The Ocho
Quite surprised the 004 isn't going to Harborne during the day, from what I have seen that end of the route was quite popular??
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 26, 2017, 12:59:17 PM
Quite surprised the 004 isn't going to Harborne during the day, from what I have seen that end of the route was quite popular??
Yes that does seem rather strange. Isn't really going to help the people of Welsh House Farm out either, if the bus doesn't quite make it to Harborne high street
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 26, 2017, 12:59:17 PM
Quite surprised the 004 isn't going to Harborne during the day, from what I have seen that end of the route was quite popular??
The initial plan of competing with the 99/244 was a good idea due to the reduced fequency, however with it only going between Welsh house farm and Halesowen the majority of the day, I can't see it having good loadings. Also suspect many will get confused by the many destinations available.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 26, 2017, 02:27:55 PM
The initial plan of competing with the 99/244 was a good idea due to the reduced fequency, however with it only going between Welsh house farm and Halesowen the majority of the day, I can't see it having good loadings. Also suspect many will get confused by the many destinations available.
I personally think they should have extended it beyond Harborne to QE to fill the gap left by the NX frequency reduction over that section.
Quote from: Winston on March 26, 2017, 02:38:00 PM
I personally think they should have extended it beyond Harborne to QE to fill the gap left by the NX frequency reduction over that section.
Maybe even extended to Birmingham City Centre to cover the loss of the 99?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 26, 2017, 04:22:36 PM
Maybe even extended to Birmingham City Centre to cover the loss of the 99?
The routes broke remember 😜. if hansons could create a proper timetable unlike nx then yes the extension could easily work
That is a point actually. The people of Welsh house farm are more likely to prepare Harborne as a destination rather than Halesowen
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 26, 2017, 04:28:53 PM
The routes broke remember 😜. if hansons could create a proper timetable unlike nx then yes the extension could easily work
Ummmm how exactly? The route between the qe and city will still have a 10 min frequency from the 98/x64 so a competing half hour frequency wouldn't scratch the surface, no one would wait for it when a 98/x64 turned up. Also, that length of route from city to merry hill would end up being horrendously unreliable. I'm not totally sure you fully understand how the bus industry works in that respect!
Quote from: j789 on March 27, 2017, 05:29:30 PM
Ummmm how exactly? The route between the qe and city will still have a 10 min frequency from the 98/x64 so a competing half hour frequency wouldn't scratch the surface, no one would wait for it when a 98/x64 turned up. Also, that length of route from city to merry hill would end up being horrendously unreliable. I'm not totally sure you fully understand how the bus industry works in that respect!
The point is the route isn't broken, the reason the route is being withdrawn is because NE want to reduce it to a 1/2 hour frequency and it couldn't be achieved with the current frequency of the 98. Instead NE feel that extending the 244 to QE on a half hourly frequency will solve the problem.
Without starting another argument about this, you either provide a service that all of your customers can use, or you just provide a service for the people of Birmingham can use. Therefore why don't Hansons or Diamond take up the entire route and provide a service that is needed, if NE don't want the competition they shouldn't have split the route in 2.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 27, 2017, 07:53:35 PM
The point is the route isn't broken, the reason the route is being withdrawn is because NE want to reduce it to a 1/2 hour frequency and it couldn't be achieved with the current frequency of the 98. Instead NE feel that extending the 244 to QE on a half hourly frequency will solve the problem.
Without starting another argument about this, you either provide a service that all of your customers can use, or you just provide a service for the people of Birmingham can use. Therefore why don't Hansons or Diamond take up the entire route and provide a service that is needed, if NE don't want the competition they shouldn't have split the route in 2.
Probably because the route is 'broken' so as to make it unreliable and drive passengers off. I'd imagine the reason no-one else has registered a replacement is because they don't want buses stuck and not serving their current passengers.
Even yesterday (Sunday) some journeys ended up 30 minutes late. Surprisingly today when most of Birmingham ground to a halt due to Belgrave Road being shut all morning the 99 was fairly close to time all day which shows how unpredictable the route is
Quote from: Tony on March 27, 2017, 07:59:59 PM
Probably because the route is 'broken' so as to make it unreliable and drive passengers off. I'd imagine the reason no-one else has registered a replacement is because they don't want buses stuck and not serving their current passengers.
Even yesterday (Sunday) some journeys ended up 30 minutes late. Surprisingly today when most of Birmingham ground to a halt due to Belgrave Road being shut all morning the 99 was fairly close to time all day which shows how unpredictable the route is
I think we will always agree to differ on this point
@Tony , but surely, for example areas around Handsworth can become very crowded and cause disruption to the 74, in that case why doesn't the 74 terminate at West Bromwich and a seperate service operate between West Bromwich and Dudley?
Will be interesting to see if another company does decide to run the 99 or equivelant.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 27, 2017, 08:10:27 PM
I think we will always agree to differ on this point @Tony , but surely, for example areas around Handsworth can become very crowded and cause disruption to the 74, in that case why doesn't the 74 terminate at West Bromwich and a seperate service operate between West Bromwich and Dudley?
Will be interesting to see if another company does decide to run the 99 or equivelant.
Handsworth is fairly predictable, normally clear before 10am unless the M5 screws up, then slow for the rest of the day, so easier to create a reasonable timetable, and enough passengers to register a frequent service which always help.
Didn't you forecast doom about the Bristol Road changes?
How long did the competition last on the 99 not very long
Quote from: Tony on March 27, 2017, 08:29:53 PM
Handsworth is fairly predictable, normally clear before 10am unless the M5 screws up, then slow for the rest of the day, so easier to create a reasonable timetable, and enough passengers to register a frequent service which always help.
Didn't you forecast doom about the Bristol Road changes?
How long did the competition last on the 99 not very long
Many bus routes are unpredictable due to traffic. Sure,y it's not the length of the 99 route that's the issue? Just the places area
Quote from: Tony on March 27, 2017, 08:29:53 PM
Handsworth is fairly predictable, normally clear before 10am unless the M5 screws up, then slow for the rest of the day, so easier to create a reasonable timetable, and enough passengers to register a frequent service which always help.
Didn't you forecast doom about the Bristol Road changes?
How long did the competition last on the 99 not very long
Sorry
@Tony but i didn't forecast doom on the Bristol Road as I don't know the routes, unlike the 99 which i have used often and when i have boarded at the QE there have always been a reasonable amount of people on board already. These peoples journies are now broken.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 27, 2017, 08:36:24 PM
Sorry @Tony but i didn't forecast doom on the Bristol Road as I don't know the routes, unlike the 99 which i have used often and when i have boarded at the QE there have always been a reasonable amount of people on board already. These peoples journies are now broken.
Definitely the 99 loadings are/ were excellent. All the sections of the route were well used- in fact I would say e200s are too small buses
Quote from: Trident 4194 on March 27, 2017, 08:48:52 PM
Definitely the 99 loadings are/ were excellent. All the sections of the route were well used- in fact I would say e200s are too small buses
Any think bigger will struggle getting round parts of the route
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 27, 2017, 08:10:27 PM
I think we will always agree to differ on this point @Tony , but surely, for example areas around Handsworth can become very crowded and cause disruption to the 74, in that case why doesn't the 74 terminate at West Bromwich and a seperate service operate between West Bromwich and Dudley?
Who said that's not going to happen very soon ?
Anyone seen the new 226 branding on 1524. Looks quite smart!
Boys whats the 74/ Handsworth got to do with Hansons?
Quote from: Hansons Buses Official on April 07, 2017, 04:15:17 PM
Boys whats the 74/ Handsworth got to do with Hansons?
We went slightly off topic, debating about the length of a route making a route unreliable
Quote from: the trainbasher on April 01, 2017, 08:49:41 AM
Anyone seen the new 226 branding on 1524. Looks quite smart!
what branding on 1524 unless its inside as saw it today had advert both sides
Quote from: Solo1 on April 15, 2017, 03:37:21 PM
what branding on 1524 unless its inside as saw it today had advert both sides
Look at the date and time I made that post...
Quote from: the trainbasher on April 15, 2017, 03:39:21 PM
Look at the date and time I made that post...
i only read thecinfo didn't notice the date
Nice bus on the 14 today.
Quote from: Dom on April 15, 2017, 05:43:38 PM
Nice bus on the 14 today.
photo in the photo links of this bus stil needs logos
Hanson's first Optare, will suit the livery once applied
I was told it is only with them on loan.
Quote from: Chris on April 15, 2017, 07:41:33 PM
Hanson's first Optare, will suit the livery once applied
Not their first Optare
http://wmbusphotos.com/Hansons/MX56ABZ.html
Quote from: Dom on April 15, 2017, 08:12:44 PM
I was told it is only with them on loan.
A hansons driver told me last month they were getting a new bus last month and
@Tony I never realised they had one before. Though judging by the date of the photo I was living in Newquay at the time
Optare on loan while we wait for 59 reg e200 short.
Quote from: Tony on April 15, 2017, 10:21:10 PM
Not their first Optare
http://wmbusphotos.com/Hansons/MX56ABZ.html
Was that the one they had for the 288 route?
One of the e200 branded for 228 to Russell's hall
PD0001124/34 Registered (Short notice)
HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD
Route: Merry Hill to Harbourne
Service number: 004
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 28 May 2017
Quote from: Chris on April 25, 2017, 06:11:35 PM
One of the e200 branded for 228 to Russell's hall
2151
I saw a silver mini e200 in Halesowen going up to by Windsor? Wondered if it was a hansons bus or another operator? No fleet names
Silver e200-004
@Trident 4194 do you have a reg number
Quote from: the trainbasher on May 17, 2017, 03:37:45 PM
@Trident 4194 do you have a reg number
Unfortunately not
@the trainbasher but it does have hansons logo on front so may be permanent?
KX59CZH is the silver bus added to fleet.J
Cheers
@Hansons Buses Official.
Is it a permanent acquisition or on loan
Also, has the SR gone back as well?
Permanent addition to fleet,and the solo has gone back.J
Quote from: Hansons Buses Official on May 17, 2017, 06:42:24 PM
KX59CZH is the silver bus added to fleet.J
Nice bus with a very smart interior
1511 been withdrawn??
Where do 0520/0521 ply their trade these days?
2650-251
See Rotala PLc thread for full info - Hanson's are to be acquired by Rotala Plc.
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=3687.15
I didnt think Margaret was selling up wonder what made her change her mind
Quote from: Solo1 on July 28, 2017, 02:14:17 PM
I didnt think Margaret was selling up wonder what made her change her mind
I'd guess the right offer at the right time, the Hansons business isn't particularly profitable in its current form and the local bus industry is particularly tough at the moment.
Quote from: PM on July 28, 2017, 02:34:51 PM
I'd guess the right offer at the right time, the Hansons business isn't particularly profitable in its current form and the local bus industry is particularly tough at the moment.
If you look at the latest accounts for Hanson's, profits have fallen since they took on all those tendered routes, they are rapidly heading for breakeven. I assume Margret may retain the current Hanson's depot and sell it separately. I would guess that the Hanson's fleet & routes will be absorbed in to Diamond @ Tividale (as per Ludlows) to strip out engineering costs from the current Hanson's business.
Quote from: Winston on July 28, 2017, 02:54:53 PM
If you look at the latest accounts for Hanson's, profits have fallen since they took on all those tendered routes, they are rapidly heading for breakeven. I assume Margret may retain the current Hanson's depot and sell it separately. I would guess that the Hanson's fleet & routes will be absorbed in to Diamond @ Tividale (as per Ludlows) to strip out engineering costs from the current Hanson's business.
Exactly, it offers a good potential for economies of scale, Rotala's fuel has been hedged etc, plus many of Hansons newer vehicles may be leased, and other vehicles sourced within Rotala's existing fleet can replace them.
The circa £12k profit they made in the latest accounts is unsustainable, proof if needed of how tough the bus business has become. I wouldn't imagine they're the only WM independent to be struggling...
Still think it is such a shame that a good bus company is sadly having to be sold. Certainly bus services around the Stourbridge area won't be the same anymore.
Certainly I now fear for the continuation of certain of Hanson's routes.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 28, 2017, 03:57:35 PM
Still think it is such a shame that a good bus company is sadly having to be sold. Certainly bus services around the Stourbridge area won't be the same anymore.
Certainly I now fear for the continuation of certain of Hanson's routes.
Many of the routes are supported/part supported it's worth remembering.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 28, 2017, 03:57:35 PM
Still think it is such a shame that a good bus company is sadly having to be sold. Certainly bus services around the Stourbridge area won't be the same anymore.
Certainly I now fear for the continuation of certain of Hanson's routes.
Yes I agree. Once Diamond took over Ludlows they chopped and changed so many routes that they had to be subsidised. They only operate the 002, 4H and 202.
They messed around with the 004, 006, 007 and 230 so much that they were withdrawn or chopped up into smaller tendered services.
I wish them well but you can count me among the group of people that now fear for the state of some routes - Hansons have built up a decent name for themselves in that area
Perhaps too early to speculate on things but you do wonder what would happen to any commercial ventures of theirs, my mind immediately thinks the 004, as Diamond of course run the 002 and over the years haven't seemed to be in any hurry to ruin that, maybe they would see the potential to at least keep the 004 going
Quote from: Kevin on July 28, 2017, 06:50:57 PM
I wish them well but you can count me among the group of people that now fear for the state of some routes - Hansons have built up a decent name for themselves in that area
Perhaps too early to speculate on things but you do wonder what would happen to any commercial ventures of theirs, my mind immediately thinks the 004, as Diamond of course run the 002 and over the years haven't seemed to be in any hurry to ruin that, maybe they would see the potential to at least keep the 004 going
I've ridden Hansons once and no it was not the bus Sandwell travel loaned I rode them on the 288 and 004 it was ages ago now and I thought I hope they do well I'm a bit sad I never rode them more and will be sad to see them go.
Quote from: sonic84 on July 28, 2017, 06:45:44 PM
Yes I agree. Once Diamond took over Ludlows they chopped and changed so many routes that they had to be subsidised. They only operate the 002, 4H and 202.
They messed around with the 004, 006, 007 and 230 so much that they were withdrawn or chopped up into smaller tendered services.
But the 002/old 417 are now on far higher frequencies, have evening and Sunday services plus earlier morning journeys. The old 006 forms part of the 4H loop and wasn't viable when TGB tried to bring it back. The core part of the 007 hasn't been viable even when ran by First as the 147. The 202 is largely unchanged, 230 and 004 were interworked iirc and 004 cut back Harborne-Halesowen, perhaps not entirely the right decision with hindsight.
When does this takeover take effect from?
Quote from: fleetline6477 on July 28, 2017, 07:27:57 PM
When does this takeover take effect from?
It is on the Hansons website that the takeover takes place from today.
http://www.hansonslocalbus.co.uk/product.asp?id=37
Not sure if the link will work.
Quote from: sonic84 on July 28, 2017, 07:37:10 PM
It is on the Hansons website that the takeover takes place from today.
http://www.hansonslocalbus.co.uk/product.asp?id=37
Not sure if the link will work.
It looks as if for the moment the two operation will be managed standalone before integration, as Diamond's website directs passengers to Hanson's Phone number and email
http://diamondbuses.com/news/RotalaPlcpurchasesHansonsLocalBus_612.html
Quote from: PM on July 28, 2017, 09:19:00 PM
It looks as if for the moment the two operation will be managed standalone before integration, as Diamond's website directs passengers to Hanson's Phone number and email
http://diamondbuses.com/news/RotalaPlcpurchasesHansonsLocalBus_612.html
Presume they can't do anything until the services have been cancelled under the Hansons registration and registered to Diamond.
Was heartbroken when I read the news on Facebook this afternoon, at first thought it was some kind of joke.
I am just fearful that routes like the 228 which Hansons have built up from scratch will be neglected, it's a shame they couldn't have hung it out a little more to see if the market changed and things picked up a bit.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 28, 2017, 10:09:10 PM
Presume they can't do anything until the services have been cancelled under the Hansons registration and registered to Diamond.
Was heartbroken when I read the news on Facebook this afternoon, at first thought it was some kind of joke.
I am just fearful that routes like the 228 which Hansons have built up from scratch will be neglected, it's a shame they couldn't have hung it out a little more to see if the market changed and things picked up a bit.
I reckon there's scope to simplify the services to Kinver 227/228/296 into one more easy to understand Merry Hill to Kinver service via Stourbridge.
Quote from: PM on July 28, 2017, 10:20:30 PM
I reckon there's scope to simplify the services to Kinver 227/228/296 into one more easy to understand Merry Hill to Kinver service via Stourbridge.
Well the 296 only runs a very limited service and the number could do with freeing up so NE can renumber the X96, the 227 is for the short journeys between Stourbridge and Kinver which could be renumbered 228 (short journeys between Merry Hill and Stourbridge are classified as 228).
Yes I agree. I can see the 227, 228 being combined into one route and possibly the 250/251 being combined into one route running Stourbridge to Merry Hill via Brockmoor only with the other half being covered by the 228.
Can't see the 004 lasting either. As mentioned the Merry Hill to Halesowen section will compete with the 002, and Diamond have tried the Halesowen to Harborne section with the 004 previously and more recently the 142.
Will be interesting to see if they do anything with the 318. It would be interesting if they decided to link it with the 43 and have a Stourbridge to Redditch bus.
Quote from: sonic84 on July 28, 2017, 11:02:06 PM
Yes I agree. I can see the 227, 228 being combined into one route and possibly the 250/251 being combined into one route running Stourbridge to Merry Hill via Brockmoor only with the other half being covered by the 228.
Can't see the 004 lasting either. As mentioned the Merry Hill to Halesowen section will compete with the 002, and Diamond have tried the Halesowen to Harborne section with the 004 previously and more recently the 142.
Will be interesting to see if they do anything with the 318. It would be interesting if they decided to link it with the 43 and have a Stourbridge to Redditch bus.
Yes agree on the 004, (as an aside, would be interesting if Hansons have tendered for the 142 and Diamond would end up with it back again).
Also can see the 226 going half hourly now there is only one operator on it, 228 probably go back to Merry Hill as it's terminus and will be interesting to see if they keep the 250/1 going?
Quote from: sonic84 on July 28, 2017, 11:02:06 PM
Yes I agree. I can see the 227, 228 being combined into one route and possibly the 250/251 being combined into one route running Stourbridge to Merry Hill via Brockmoor only with the other half being covered by the 228.
Can't see the 004 lasting either. As mentioned the Merry Hill to Halesowen section will compete with the 002, and Diamond have tried the Halesowen to Harborne section with the 004 previously and more recently the 142.
Will be interesting to see if they do anything with the 318. It would be interesting if they decided to link it with the 43 and have a Stourbridge to Redditch bus.
But the Halesowen - Harborne section now has far less traffic since Diamond withdrew the 142 & NXWM reduced the frequency off the 99 when it changed to an extended 244, it may now be a viable option to consider an extension to the QE.
Isn't the 318 tendered? Plus it only runs 2 hourly. Can't see any benefit of linking it with the 43.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 28, 2017, 11:14:16 PM
Also can see the 226 going half hourly now there is only one operator on it, 228 probably go back to Merry Hill as it's terminus and will be interesting to see if they keep the 250/1 going?
It's a forgone conclusion that the 226 will be reduced, personally, I think being cut back to a 20min frequncy may go down better with the travelling public. I expect fares will also been raised to more normal levels.
Quote from: sonic84 on July 28, 2017, 11:02:06 PM
Yes I agree. I can see the 227, 228 being combined into one route and possibly the 250/251 being combined into one route running Stourbridge to Merry Hill via Brockmoor only with the other half being covered by the 228.
Can't see the 004 lasting either. As mentioned the Merry Hill to Halesowen section will compete with the 002, and Diamond have tried the Halesowen to Harborne section with the 004 previously and more recently the 142.
Will be interesting to see if they do anything with the 318. It would be interesting if they decided to link it with the 43 and have a Stourbridge to Redditch bus.
The 250/251 struggled with timekeeping when it was ran Stourbridge to Merry Hill via Brockmoor as a stand-alone service with the 296 as an hourly service on the opposite part of the loop.
That is actually one of the services I fear will go, especially as the 251 runs on a different route between Wollaston and Stourbridge as opposed to its opposite direction.
One thing I would like diamond to do, but I doubt they would do it would be to extend the 580 to Stourbridge along the current 227 route, maybe using the 227 number for it.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 28, 2017, 11:14:16 PM
Yes agree on the 004, (as an aside, would be interesting if Hansons have tendered for the 142 and Diamond would end up with it back again).
Also can see the 226 going half hourly now there is only one operator on it, 228 probably go back to Merry Hill as it's terminus and will be interesting to see if they keep the 250/1 going?
I reckon, if anything, there's a 226 would not go to half hour service but will go to every 20 minutes instead. It would mean diamond using 6 buses as opposed to their current 4 and hansons 4, but it would still retain a near enough decent frequency ,and more than likely still avoid clashing at the stands on both ends.
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 29, 2017, 02:32:51 AM
I reckon, if anything, there's a 226 would not go to half hour service but will go to every 20 minutes instead. It would mean diamond using 6 buses as opposed to their current 4 and hansons 4, but it would still retain a near enough decent frequency ,and more than likely still avoid clashing at the stands on both ends.
Would be good to see 226 go back up to viable fares levels, £3.80 day ticket will actually be a price cut for passengers vs Hansons Day Hopper, for a larger network!
226 every 20 mins could work, 276 placing journeys could go too, 227/228 simplified into one route MH-Kinver, or even add the 580 runs to offer a Kidderminster-Stourbridge alternative route, maybe even incorporating the WCC tendered 9/9A to Cookley? 296 journeys could be incorporated into other services, 004 I guess it's a case of analyse the loadings following 244 introduction/142 withdrawal. Otherwise 13/17 could be integrated into the 004 for the MH-Halesowen section?
Sad to see them go. I guess it is all down to finances at the end of the day.
Why couldn't Centro give them some More money or time.
Quote from: BusFan94 on July 29, 2017, 04:27:36 PM
Why couldn't Centro give them some More money or time.
Why should they prop up bus operators? When London Forest defaulted on their Walthamstow contracts the company was closed.
I take it the cash boxes wil.be taken out of the hansons fleet once tjeybmove over to diamond depot , get painted
I think Hanson's own the 57 and 10 plate e200s?
Quote from: the trainbasher on July 29, 2017, 02:30:25 AM
One thing I would like diamond to do, but I doubt they would do it would be to extend the 580 to Stourbridge along the current 227 route, maybe using the 227 number for it.
Kinver services have every potential to be run out of Kidderminster so some sort of through route may not seem such a crazy idea, could even take back the Cookley/Caunsall (can't remember the number now) and run that through to Kinver and Stourbridge
Get rid of the 25 and go Stourbridge-kinver-kidderminster
Why get rid of the 25 it's the fastest direct route into kiddeeminister
Quote from: Chris on July 30, 2017, 04:19:44 PM
Why get rid of the 25 it's the fastest direct route into kiddeeminister
With Diamond's increased presence at Merry Hill, now might be the time to seriously explore the possibility of providing a Kidderminster - Merry Hill via Stourbridge route by extending the 25 and launch well before the run up to Xmas.
Quote from: Winston on July 30, 2017, 04:29:29 PM
With Diamond's increased presence at Merry Hill, now might be the time to seriously explore the possibility of providing a Kidderminster - Merry Hill via Stourbridge route by extending the 25 and launch well before the run up to Xmas.
I was thinking that, would link kiddeeminister to merry hill in around 45 mins via Penfields
Quote from: Chris on July 30, 2017, 05:04:27 PM
I was thinking that, would link kiddeeminister to merry hill in around 45 mins via Penfields
A journey time around that sort of time might prove to be quite attractive, it would also gives Kidderminster locals the option of a day out in the poorer weather/winter months, where they may typically choose Stourport / Bewdley & Bridgnorth in the better weather/summer months.
Quote from: Winston on July 30, 2017, 05:10:13 PM
A journey time around that sort of time might prove to be quite attractive, it would also gives Kidderminster locals the option of a day out in the poorer weather/winter months, where they may typically choose Stourport / Bewdley & Bridgnorth in the better weather/summer months.
You'd imagine that with the local Stourbridge - Merry Hill traffic they could even get away with up to half hourly
Quote from: Chris on July 30, 2017, 05:04:27 PM
I was thinking that, would link kiddeeminister to merry hill in around 45 mins via Penfields
Sounds like a good idea to me. Would be a bit similar to the short lived Weekend only 252 Hansons used to run between Kidderminster and Merry Hill.
Quote from: sonic84 on July 30, 2017, 08:12:21 PM
Sounds like a good idea to me. Would be a bit similar to the short lived Weekend only 252 Hansons used to run between Kidderminster and Merry Hill.
It might have more chance of success this time around, with Diamond having a network of services bother Kidderminster & Black Country ends, network tickets will be far more useful.
Company sold for £500,000, land purchased and rental buses purchased from hire company. Total cost £1.3m, diamond management already in place. 28 days remaining for Hansons, when time is up services will be split between tividale and Kidderminster. Half of current staff already handed notice in.
So sad I now hate Rotala bullies pushing Little Hansons into submission
Quote from: BusFan94 on July 30, 2017, 10:12:05 PM
So sad I now hate Rotala bullies pushing Little Hansons into submission
The mortgage for the land was paid off last month, another month trading and they'd have been filing for bankruptcy. Diamond have hardly bullied them, management have done well out of it.
Quote from: pndriver on July 30, 2017, 10:15:35 PM
The mortgage for the land was paid off last month, another month trading and they'd have been filing for bankruptcy. Diamond have hardly bullied them, management have done well out of it.
Ah right so they save Hansons well at least give Manager final backing rather than buy her company of her.
@BusFan94 - your posts are making no sense again!
Quote from: PM on July 29, 2017, 01:32:32 PM
Would be good to see 226 go back up to viable fares levels, £3.80 day ticket will actually be a price cut for passengers vs Hansons Day Hopper, for a larger network!
226 every 20 mins could work, 276 placing journeys could go too, 227/228 simplified into one route MH-Kinver, or even add the 580 runs to offer a Kidderminster-Stourbridge alternative route, maybe even incorporating the WCC tendered 9/9A to Cookley? 296 journeys could be incorporated into other services, 004 I guess it's a case of analyse the loadings following 244 introduction/142 withdrawal. Otherwise 13/17 could be integrated into the 004 for the MH-Halesowen section?
the 580 goes to kinver via wolverley and it is only twice a day at 9 am and 1 pm from Kidderminster the 9/9a was taken over by woosh when Hollands coaches
withdrew it it struggles to fill merc that is used on it.
Quote from: Winston on July 30, 2017, 05:10:13 PM
A journey time around that sort of time might prove to be quite attractive, it would also gives Kidderminster locals the option of a day out in the poorer weather/winter months, where they may typically choose Stourport / Bewdley & Bridgnorth in the better weather/summer months.
locals tend to go a bit futher a field for a good day out than stourport and bewdley, they are more a afternoon trip execpt sunday ,and bridgnorth is a good day out either on the 125 for the nice countryside it goes through or on the svr
Quote from: Winston on July 28, 2017, 11:22:59 PM
But the Halesowen - Harborne section now has far less traffic since Diamond withdrew the 142 & NXWM reduced the frequency off the 99 when it changed to an extended 244, it may now be a viable option to consider an extension to the QE.
Isn't the 318 tendered? Plus it only runs 2 hourly. Can't see any benefit of linking it with the 43.
It's a forgone conclusion that the 226 will be reduced, personally, I think being cut back to a 20min frequncy may go down better with the travelling public. I expect fares will also been raised to more normal levels.
do not know if it still does at one time the 318 used to be Stourbridge to Redditch before hansons run it
Quote from: Cedric on July 30, 2017, 10:49:06 PM
do not know if it still does at one time the 318 used to be Stourbridge to Redditch before hansons run it
It's Stourbridge - Bromsgrove only, on a 2 hr frequency
How many of the fleet was on lease
Why did they bid for them servives in oldbury a long way from the depot
I guess to make money don't they already run in Smethwick which is even further away
Seems to be a lot of Hansons buses going around with Not in service and private on the destinations today
Few more drivers handed notice in today from what I've heard and there's a meeting for all the drivers at 8pm tonight
Quote from: pndriver on July 31, 2017, 03:10:44 PM
Seems to be a lot of Hansons buses going around with Not in service and private on the destinations today
Few more drivers handed notice in today from what I've heard and there's a meeting for all the drivers at 8pm tonight
Hopefully they go to diamond as they are excellent drivers from my experiences
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 31, 2017, 04:41:21 PM
Hopefully they go to diamond as they are excellent drivers from my experiences
They effectively became Diamond drivers as of Friday morning.
Quote from: Winston on July 31, 2017, 04:50:28 PM
They effectively became Diamond drivers as of Friday morning.
There was an actual diamond driver on the 14 earlier this afternoon
Quote from: pndriver on July 30, 2017, 09:54:50 PM
Company sold for £500,000, land purchased and rental buses purchased from hire company. Total cost £1.3m, diamond management already in place. 28 days remaining for Hansons, when time is up services will be split between tividale and Kidderminster. Half of current staff already handed notice in.
That's different to what I've been told, I have it on good authority that only 2 drivers have handed in their notice to date
Quote from: Winston on July 31, 2017, 07:59:11 PM
That's different to what I've been told, I have it on good authority that only 2 drivers have handed in their notice to date
I have it from the drivers themselves
Quote from: pndriver on July 31, 2017, 08:22:49 PM
I have it from the drivers themselves
I have it from senior management
Quote from: Winston on July 31, 2017, 08:24:24 PM
I have it from senior management
I'm not going to argue with you, the drivers have said they've handed their notice in. Whether management say so or not is another case.
Quote from: pndriver on July 31, 2017, 08:33:59 PM
I'm not going to argue with you, the drivers have said they've handed their notice in. Whether management say so or not is another case.
I'm mearly saying, from what I'm being told, whether or not half of the Hanson's drivers are saying they're intending to hand in their notices, they haven't actually done it yet. Only two have to date.
Quote from: Winston on July 31, 2017, 08:47:41 PM
I'm mearly saying, from what I'm being told, whether or not half of the Hanson's drivers are saying they're intending to hand in their notices, they haven't actually done it yet. Only two have to date.
Probably the difference between what people say there are going to do on the spur of the moment and what they actually do.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 31, 2017, 09:38:05 PM
Probably the difference between what people say there are going to do on the spur of the moment and what they actually do.
That was what I was getting at, based on the facts.
OO4 going according to a driver at the meeting. Drivers can work to Hansons contracts under TUPE laws then will be transferred onto diamond contracts
New fleetnumbers are now on the main site.
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/Rotala.html
I'm currently working on the fleetlist
So Diamond brought all the vehicles will be interesting to see where they are deployed in regards to routes as once the operation is absorbed into the diamond fleet, interesting about the "stourbridge garage" does this mean diamond is keeping it, certainly would cut dead mileage for them
Quote from: Chris on August 02, 2017, 08:05:02 PM
So Diamond brought all the vehicles will be interesting to see where they are deployed in regards to routes as once the operation is absorbed into the diamond fleet, interesting about the "stourbridge garage" does this mean diamond is keeping it, certainly would cut dead mileage for them
No, the Hanson's garage is only being retained short term & then will be sold.
Just stick diamond logo on the front for the time being I guess like arrivas
How many liveries is that now for Diamond, including ex Arriva & now Hansons?
Are they actively repainting their vehicles as I keep seeing the odd Black Diamond knocking about in Walsall?
Think Ive seen Blue Diamond as well, but are there any Red Diamond still around?
Even Nx managed to repaint all their vehicles red & white quicker it seems!
Quote from: Westy on August 02, 2017, 09:33:29 PM
How many liveries is that now for Diamond, including ex Arriva & now Hansons?
Are they actively repainting their vehicles as I keep seeing the odd Black Diamond knocking about in Walsall?
Think Ive seen Blue Diamond as well, but are there any Red Diamond still around?
Even Nx managed to repaint all their vehicles red & white quicker it seems!
There are still black, and red diamond( only a few though now which probability don't have much life lefymt), arriva in the green, and then arriva in the green and white and now hansons who also have a few different liveries
Quote from: Westy on August 02, 2017, 09:33:29 PM
How many liveries is that now for Diamond, including ex Arriva & now Hansons?
Are they actively repainting their vehicles as I keep seeing the odd Black Diamond knocking about in Walsall?
Think Ive seen Blue Diamond as well, but are there any Red Diamond still around?
Even Nx managed to repaint all their vehicles red & white quicker it seems!
Yes, the most recent repaint was 20538 last of the 03 plate Solo's in Black Diamond to be painted & prior to that 21006 & 21007 both ex Arriva livery. Plus Solo 20819 new Tividale addition, Solo 20857 new Redditch addition. Prior to that, you had the 56 plate Primo's returned to service from hire to Igo, Solo additions 20735-20745 & MPD 20543 re-instated, all of which were required as a result of the increase in tendered work from the end of April.
I'm glad they have brought the buses I like Hanson's e200s
Anyone know if 1510/1 were withdrawn/VOR at the time of the sale?
Quote from: PM on August 02, 2017, 10:33:48 PM
Anyone know if 1510/1 were withdrawn/VOR at the time of the sale?
Could they have been replaced by the two newer 59 & 10 plate E200's?
I did wonder that, was it the KX57s that replaced the MX61s that went back off lease? Funny that 20530-2 have done full circle-now back to Rotala!
Quote from: PM on August 02, 2017, 10:49:13 PM
I did wonder that, was it the KX57s that replaced the MX61s that went back off lease? Funny that 20530-2 have done full circle-now back to Rotala!
Think so.
PD0001124/38 Cancelled
HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD
Route: Brandhall Interchange to Cape Hill Asda
Service number: 55
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 25 Sep 2017
Quote from: justlookingaround on August 08, 2017, 01:43:49 PM
PD0001124/38 Cancelled
HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD
Route: Brandhall Interchange to Cape Hill Asda
Service number: 55
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 25 Sep 2017
All routes will be cancelled & re-registered on the Diamond license
come across this looks like they all where cancelled Friday and registered by diamond
https://www.vehicle-operator-licensing.service.gov.uk/search/bus/search/?text%5Bsearch%5D=diamond%20bus&filter%5BtrafficArea%5D=West%20Midlands&filter%5BbusRegStatus%5D=New&search=diamond%20bus&searchBy=&security=c0441f76dc20bc5b96511976b671161e-9dca2438fcaf8131028e16b7e22eb31d&page=1
Have already seen Diamond registrations for the 227 and 228 so suspect the rest are out there too.
Five ex Hanson's Dart's are currently for sale on eBay...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/292211291009
Have the Hansons vehicles now got Diamond legal lettering?
hansons name is no more from 27th of this month
http://www.hansonslocalbus.co.uk/product.asp?id=43
Seen a few new drivers on Hanson's buses today have a few drivers left since the diamonds takeover?
first of a few i reckon
PD0001374/443 Cancelled
DIAMOND BUS LTD
Route: Merry Hill Bus Station to Harborne High Street via Halesowen
Service number: 004
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 02 Oct 2017
Seeing that makes me really worried for routes like the 250/251 and 228
Quote from: the trainbasher on August 25, 2017, 12:46:45 PM
Seeing that makes me really worried for routes like the 250/251 and 228
Is the Kinver route supported by South Staffs council in any way?
Quote from: the trainbasher on August 25, 2017, 12:46:45 PM
Seeing that makes me really worried for routes like the 250/251 and 228
Also the journeys that Hansons did on the 296 and 276 I bet will soon go to.
228 I doubt will go due to it is well used, 250 and 251 could potentially go but they are subsidised by Centro
Next for the Diamond takeover I GO any one?
It's so sad and the end of an era, Diamond won't care about the routes in the same way that Hansons did.
Today they have registered to cancel the 004, don't know why when they haven't even really had chance to evaluate whether it would work as a route for them. Summer holidays are always quieter, in my opinion, Diamond should have given all the routes 6 months before starting to change anything.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 25, 2017, 02:38:50 PM
It's so sad and the end of an era, Diamond won't care about the routes in the same way that Hansons did.
Today they have registered to cancel the 004, don't know why when they haven't even really had chance to evaluate whether it would work as a route for them. Summer holidays are always quieter, in my opinion, Diamond should have given all the routes 6 months before starting to change anything.
What is to say that Diamond haven't been analysing for some time the routes that Hansons run? It's not like this is a blind buy and it's hardly the first time we've seen Diamond try and purchase Hansons! It's hardly like they've gone, hmm let's blow some money on Hansons then realising 6 months down the line they've wasted a crap-load more on running non-profiting routes for 6 months.
They have to have a plan, which probably means watching them for a very long time, not forgetting they both operate on the 226!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 25, 2017, 02:38:50 PM
It's so sad and the end of an era, Diamond won't care about the routes in the same way that Hansons did.
Today they have registered to cancel the 004, don't know why when they haven't even really had chance to evaluate whether it would work as a route for them. Summer holidays are always quieter, in my opinion, Diamond should have given all the routes 6 months before starting to change anything.
I suspected this would be the first route to go following the takeover. Especially as the 142 was withdrawn running a similar route east of Halesowen.
Who knows... Maybe they will extend the 13 or the 17 to Harborne commercially as the Halesowen - Harborne corridor will now be only 2 buses an hour compared with 6 buses an hour in October last year.
Quote from: Dom on August 25, 2017, 04:35:12 PM
What is to say that Diamond haven't been analysing for some time the routes that Hansons run? It's not like this is a blind buy and it's hardly the first time we've seen Diamond try and purchase Hansons! It's hardly like they've gone, hmm let's blow some money on Hansons then realising 6 months down the line they've wasted a crap-load more on running non-profiting routes for 6 months.
They have to have a plan, which probably means watching them for a very long time, not forgetting they both operate on the 226!
Yes they having been trying to buy Hanson's for a while, after all they hate competition.
Also, how can Diamond operate Hanson services from Sunday when the registrations don't change over till 27th September?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 25, 2017, 09:58:50 PM
Yes they having been trying to buy Hanson's for a while, after all they hate competition.
Also, how can Diamond operate Hanson services from Sunday when the registrations don't change over till 27th September?
Could always do what they did with Redditch/Kiddy and put "On Hire" notices in possibly>
The Last Post.
Folks its the end of an era and i`d like to put on record our thanks for the support shown to us on this forum over the years,to all our passengers who supported us and thanks most of all to our staff for their service.Wherever the future lies for them we thank them and wish them the very best.
That`s it, Farewell and goodbye.
Hansons Local Bus .
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 25, 2017, 09:58:50 PM
Yes they having been trying to buy Hanson's for a while, after all they hate competition.
Also, how can Diamond operate Hanson services from Sunday when the registrations don't change over till 27th September?
run the hansons buses on the hansons services then sept u will have a mix diamond bus /Hanson's there
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 25, 2017, 09:58:50 PM
Yes they having been trying to buy Hanson's for a while, after all they hate competition.
Also, how can Diamond operate Hanson services from Sunday when the registrations don't change over till 27th September?
Who's to say that Hanson's didn't make the first approach to Rotala wishing to sell out? Their latest published accounts showed that costs were rising / profits were falling and the business was deteriorating. Diamond were actually Hanson's competition on the 226. The irregular hourly/half hourly timetable that is registered from 3rd Sept was already registered by Hanson's.
Diamond operating tommorow then???
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 28, 2017, 07:30:04 PM
Diamond operating tommorow then???
Yes, have seen Hanson's buses on the 124 and 40 in the last few days
Suppose we'll get the Hansons buses anywhere within the area like the ex Arrivas?
Quote from: Chris on August 28, 2017, 08:49:14 PM
Yes, have seen Hanson's buses on the 124 and 40 in the last few days
I saw one the 40, looked bad, seeing one of these in Friar Park was awful!
Do you know what bus it was
Quote from: ChrisGoode on August 29, 2017, 02:24:59 PM
Do you know what bus it was
I was to far to ID it. It was on Saturday, looked out of place over here.
Question: if you have a diamond monthly ticket, are these valid on hansons old services? Or can you still pay a 50 p supplement?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 29, 2017, 04:00:54 PM
Question: if you have a diamond monthly ticket, are these valid on hansons old services? Or can you still pay a 50 p supplement?
http://www.diamondbuses.com/news/HansonsservicestobecomeDiamondBusservices_617.html
Quote from: Winston on August 29, 2017, 04:02:22 PM
http://www.diamondbuses.com/news/HansonsservicestobecomeDiamondBusservices_617.html
Thanks so I presume it's full adult price regardless
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 29, 2017, 04:11:21 PM
Thanks so I presume it's full adult price regardless
"Diamond Bus fares will apply to all services.", so yes a Diamond monthly ticket would be valid.
Quote from: 2206 on August 29, 2017, 04:51:21 PM
"Diamond Bus fares will apply to all services.", so yes a Diamond monthly ticket would be valid.
Thanks for that, that's great news then!!
Has anyone seen any ex hansons today
Quote from: ChrisGoode on August 30, 2017, 03:23:45 PM
Has anyone seen any ex hansons today
Some here seen today:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/266758420434642/
Has anyone seen 0031 or 1540 lately
Quote from: ChrisGoode on August 30, 2017, 04:00:34 PM
Has anyone seen 0031 or 1540 lately
0031 is accident damaged & unlikely to be repaired
1540 needs a replacement engine
Driver of 004 today was getting very confused doing many loops of Halesowen bus station
Quote from: Winston on August 30, 2017, 04:27:45 PM
0031 is accident damaged & unlikely to be repaired
1540 needs a replacement engine
Do you know were they could be now winston
Quote from: ChrisGoode on August 30, 2017, 06:13:47 PM
Do you know were they could be now winston
I believe 1540 was the one still parked at Hanson's depot after the depot was emptied over the weekend, was cleared, I assume it was waiting for a tow truck to take it to Tividale.
0031 was acquired, but was also badly damaged, not sure on the status of that one.
Quote from: Winston on August 30, 2017, 07:03:22 PM
I believe 1540 was the one still parked at Hanson's depot after the depot was emptied over the weekend, was cleared, I assume it was waiting for a tow truck to take it to Tividale.
0031 was acquired, but was also badly damaged, not sure on the status of that one.
Thanks winston
Quote from: Winston on August 30, 2017, 07:03:22 PM
I believe 1540 was the one still parked at Hanson's depot after the depot was emptied over the weekend, was cleared, I assume it was waiting for a tow truck to take it to Tividale.
0031 was acquired, but was also badly damaged, not sure on the status of that one.
When I passed the old Hansons yard today, there are still 2 buses parked there. Sadly as I was driving didn't get a proper chance to ID them. Parked at the very front of the yard against the wall.
Black diamond dart on 004.
Also timetables are completely wrong on bus stops, and drivers don't have a clue what time they should be due. Shame that this has happened
Quote from: Trident 4194 on August 31, 2017, 01:34:28 PM
Black diamond dart on 004.
Also timetables are completely wrong on bus stops, and drivers don't have a clue what time they should be due. Shame that this has happened
The current timetable is exactly the same as it was under Hanson's, the 004 timetable doesn't change until 3rd Sept (Sunday)
Quote from: Winston on August 31, 2017, 01:43:23 PM
The current timetable is exactly the same as it was under Hanson's, the 004 timetable doesn't change until 3rd Sept (Sunday)
The black diamond dart left harborne high street at 12:29 due at 12:10
Does anyone know what's on the 267 / 657
1523, 1551, 1525 and 1526 on the 226
Can I ask who officially now runs the Hansons routes because surely the new registrations don't take affect till the middle of September?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 03, 2017, 10:47:20 PM
Can I ask who officially now runs the Hansons routes because surely the new registrations don't take affect till the middle of September?
Diamond Buses: http://www.diamondbuses.com/news/HansonsservicestobecomeDiamondBusservices_617.html
YY15NHO still showing Hanson fleet number and legal lettering on its "usual" 318 route today.
21000 KV03ZGR (ex 0031)
30892 KP54BZA (ex 1540)
Were both still parked in the former Hanson's depot as of last night
Quote from: Winston on September 07, 2017, 01:39:30 PM
21000 KV03ZGR (ex 0031)
30892 KP54BZA (ex 1540)
Were both still parked in the former Hanson's depot as of last night
I suspect 21000 will go direct for scrap from there
Quote from: Tony on September 07, 2017, 01:52:06 PM
I suspect 21000 will go direct for scrap from there
Most likely, I believe 30892 needs a new engine
Are any the EX hansons based at Kidderminster braned yet
I haven't seen 1510 in service?
I think it's been withdrawn
Does anyone what route EX 2640 goes on
Quote from: ChrisGoode on September 11, 2017, 07:30:54 PM
Does anyone what route EX 2640 goes on
Yes it used as the spare bus on the 318 most of the time it spends most of the day parked up in the Layover bays on Birmingham Street round the corner from Stourbridge bus station.
20610-287
Has rotala purchased the actual buses from Hanson's as I'm on 2650 and it says on hire to Diamond bus
Quote from: Chris on September 12, 2017, 03:40:06 PM
Has rotala purchased the actual buses from Hanson's as I'm on 2650 and it says on hire to Diamond bus
diamond take over all services in 2 weeks
228 branded on 287 today
Preserved T315 SMU in Kidderminster S.V.R. car park at lunchtime.
Three days on the trot a 51 plate ex hansons bus been riding around with its n/s brake light out
I assume these are just admin exercise, as all active Hanson's services are re-registered on Diamond's license:
PD0001124/28 Cancelled
HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD
Route: Merry Hill to Kidderminster
Service number: 252
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 20 Nov 2017
PD0001124/8 Cancelled
HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD
Route: Dudley, Merry Hill Shopping Centre to Stourbridge, Bus Station
Service number: 242
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 20 Nov 2017
PD0001124/12 Cancelled
HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD
Route: Stourbridge, Bus Station to Dudley, Merry Hill Shopping Centre
Service number: 297
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 20 Nov 2017
PD0001124/3 Cancelled
HANSONS (WORDSLEY) LTD
Route: Stourbridge, Bus Station to Dudley, Merry Hill Shopping Centre
Service number: 296
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 20 Nov 2017
I can not remember hansons running a Kidderminster merry hill service.
There was a midland red west one 234 or 242 can not just remember number
Then there was two whittles ones x94 /x95 one started in bridgnorth the other started in stourport , later cut down to one starting in Kidderminster think it used the x94 number latter taken over by choice travel . going back a good few years
Quote from: Cedric on September 28, 2017, 11:45:48 AM
I can not remember hansons running a Kidderminster merry hill service.
There was a midland red west one 234 or 242 can not just remember number
Then there was two whittles ones x94 /x95 one started in bridgnorth the other started in stourport , later cut down to one starting in Kidderminster think it used the x94 number latter taken over by choice travel . going back a good few years
Hanson's did a few years ago doing two return trips to merry hill plus a short to Stourbridge on Saturday and Sunday only.
They ran direct merry hill to Stourbridge down the 228 route, then via the Norton Estate and Norton Road down Kidderminster.
Yes that's right. Unlike the 125 it ran via Kidderminster Station.
Can't remember whether Hansons 252 or the 125 extension came first.
Quote from: sonic84 on September 28, 2017, 03:36:42 PM
Yes that's right. Unlike the 125 it ran via Kidderminster Station.
Can't remember whether Hansons 252 or the 125 extension came first.
252 came first followed by the 125 extension, bringing a 10 year gap of No direct stourbridge to Kidderminster bus to a end (thanks to First cutting that link)
Sorry if it has been asked before, but what garage are operating Hanson routes, Kidderminster?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 04, 2017, 05:02:10 PM
Sorry if it has been asked before, but what garage are operating Hanson routes, Kidderminster?
Kidderminster and tividale I believe
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 04, 2017, 05:02:10 PM
Sorry if it has been asked before, but what garage are operating Hanson routes, Kidderminster?
Quote from: Reece on August 30, 2017, 08:53:16 PM
The following 11 ex Hansons Buses were transferred to Kidderminster to work the depot share of ex Hansons work theses routes are 227/228, 250/251, 287, 288, 298/299, 318 and a few early morning on the 276 and 296.
20530: KX57OWK was 2570
21014: KU52RXG was 0521
21021: KX06LXO was 0060
21022: SN06JPU was 0061
21101: KX59CZH was 2590
21102: MK10YOC was 2100
21103: YY15NHX was 2151
21104: YX65RHA was 2650
30891: KU52RXL was 1520
31101: YY64GWD was 2640
31102: YY15NHO was 2150
Kidderminster have those routes.
Tividale have the others.
Quote from: 2206 on October 04, 2017, 05:31:41 PM
Kidderminster have those routes.
Tividale have the others.
thanks
@2206
Hanson's old yard sold for £320,000.
I have updated the old Hansons part of my website with around 30 new photos of their fleet from 2004 onwards
http://wmbusphotos.com/Hansons/fleetlist.html
I'm sure I remember that Hansons had at one stage a 07 plate Solo and a 07 plate E200 at one stage around 2009/2010