Today a bus on route 541 in London was seen displaying its route and destination with a hand written notice displayed in the front window, causing this comment on the London Bus Group,
"it's the trial operation for the new bargain basement, mega low quality but cheap to run bus network for London modelled on those wonderful Birmingham operators who use clapped out Dennis Darts held together with sticky tape and painted with body primer. Go Ahead have just started with the A4 and biro element of the operating model. :-)"
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 21, 2013, 08:11:24 PM
Today a bus on route 541 in London was seen displaying its route and destination with a hand written notice displayed in the front window, causing this comment on the London Bus Group,
"it's the trial operation for the new bargain basement, mega low quality but cheap to run bus network for London modelled on those wonderful Birmingham operators who use clapped out Dennis Darts held together with sticky tape and painted with body primer. Go Ahead have just started with the A4 and biro element of the operating model. :-)"
Clearly whoever wrote that comment has never actually been to Birmingham! It's not like every bus up here is a clapped out Dart with handwritten notices.
Quote from: Stu on November 21, 2013, 08:41:03 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 21, 2013, 08:11:24 PM
Today a bus on route 541 in London was seen displaying its route and destination with a hand written notice displayed in the front window, causing this comment on the London Bus Group,
"it's the trial operation for the new bargain basement, mega low quality but cheap to run bus network for London modelled on those wonderful Birmingham operators who use clapped out Dennis Darts held together with sticky tape and painted with body primer. Go Ahead have just started with the A4 and biro element of the operating model. :-)"
Clearly whoever wrote that comment has never actually been to Birmingham! It's not like every bus up here is a clapped out Dart with handwritten notices.
The comment never said it was, but Birmingham has had its fair share of operators like that. I am told another PI will be coming soon!
Quote from: Tony on November 21, 2013, 08:48:14 PM
Quote from: Stu on November 21, 2013, 08:41:03 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 21, 2013, 08:11:24 PM
Today a bus on route 541 in London was seen displaying its route and destination with a hand written notice displayed in the front window, causing this comment on the London Bus Group,
"it's the trial operation for the new bargain basement, mega low quality but cheap to run bus network for London modelled on those wonderful Birmingham operators who use clapped out Dennis Darts held together with sticky tape and painted with body primer. Go Ahead have just started with the A4 and biro element of the operating model. :-)"
Clearly whoever wrote that comment has never actually been to Birmingham! It's not like every bus up here is a clapped out Dart with handwritten notices.
The comment never said it was, but Birmingham has had its fair share of operators like that. I am told another PI will be coming soon!
The PI must be for a VIP... :-)
It just shows you though that people from outside Birmingham notice these things, I am surprised that Centro puts up with these methods of operation.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 21, 2013, 08:51:24 PM
It just shows you though that people from outside Birmingham notice these things, I am surprised that Centro puts up with these methods of operation.
There's quite a few people within Birmingham that notice these things too ....
Quote from: Stu on November 21, 2013, 08:41:03 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 21, 2013, 08:11:24 PM
Today a bus on route 541 in London was seen displaying its route and destination with a hand written notice displayed in the front window, causing this comment on the London Bus Group,
"it's the trial operation for the new bargain basement, mega low quality but cheap to run bus network for London modelled on those wonderful Birmingham operators who use clapped out Dennis Darts held together with sticky tape and painted with body primer. Go Ahead have just started with the A4 and biro element of the operating model. :-)"
Clearly whoever wrote that comment has never actually been to Birmingham! It's not like every bus up here is a clapped out Dart with handwritten notices.
No, but it doesn't take long to find that in Birmingham!
For those who take an interest in London Buses, Arriva DW84 on route 59 was involved in a serious accident this morning.
Details at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25465221
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 20, 2013, 02:49:22 PM
For those who take an interest in London Buses, Arriva DW84 on route 59 was involved in a serious accident this morning.
Details at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25465221
That's awful, hope the people involved are ok.
The tree looks to be at least 5 feet into the front of the bus, that must be a write-off
Quote from: John on December 20, 2013, 03:33:08 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 20, 2013, 02:49:22 PM
For those who take an interest in London Buses, Arriva DW84 on route 59 was involved in a serious accident this morning.
Details at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25465221
That's awful, hope the people involved are ok.
The tree looks to be at least 5 feet into the front of the bus, that must be a write-off
All the injured have now been removed from the bus, although from what they said on Sky News earlier, two people were trapped on the upper deck at the front for a while.
When I saw "London Buses" as a thread topic on this West Midlands Bus board, I thought you were going to be talking about the ex-London Transport DMS Fleetlines that were acquired by WMPTE back in the late 1970's .... ;D
I remember a batch of them were at Quinton garage, mainly working the old 9 route ..... 8)
I think there was about 30 acquired in all?
Google "wmpte 5514" if you want to see what they looked like ...
Quote from: Ossie on December 20, 2013, 10:12:05 PM
When I saw "London Buses" as a thread topic on this West Midlands Bus board, I thought you were going to be talking about the ex-London Transport DMS Fleetlines that were acquired by WMPTE back in the late 1970's .... ;D
I remember a batch of them were at Quinton garage, mainly working the old 9 route ..... 8)
I think there was about 30 acquired in all?
Google "wmpte 5514" if you want to see what they looked like ...
Did they all have the main destination box painted over?
Quote from: Ossie on December 20, 2013, 10:12:05 PM
When I saw "London Buses" as a thread topic on this West Midlands Bus board, I thought you were going to be talking about the ex-London Transport DMS Fleetlines that were acquired by WMPTE back in the late 1970's .... ;D
I remember a batch of them were at Quinton garage, mainly working the old 9 route ..... 8)
I think there was about 30 acquired in all?
Google "wmpte 5514" if you want to see what they looked like ...
The WMPTE DMSs were 5500-30 & 5532-80, 20 each at Quinton, Harborne, Selly Oak and Yardley
Wood. 5531 was standard Fleetline BON 531C, rebuilt after a fire.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on December 20, 2013, 10:24:08 PM
Did they all have the main destination box painted over?
At first they did, but they were fairly soon given new destination boxes, with the destination blind above a three-track number blind. Google WMPTE 5533 to see what they looked like.
Later on Yardley Wood put four-track number blinds in some, and YW put WMPTE standard destination equipment in at least one (except with 3-track number blinds, due to lack of space).
IIRC WMPTE's DMSs all had Gardner 6LXB engines, and so had more 'go' than the standard early 1970s PTE Fleetlines.
Kingston de-roofing
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-25496956
For those interested in London Buses, due to the strike on the Underground yesterday and to add a bit of interest, the oldest remaint RT, RT8 (FXT 183) was used on the 15H heritage service.
Interestingly, Thousands of Transport for London staff will head east in 2018 as the agency makes its headquarters in the
Olympic Park. TfL will be switching its main address at St James to a new 250,000 square foot office at the
International Quarter, which is the main office development on the Olympic site. TfL have been looking for a
new head office close to the Southwark 'Palestra House' HQ.
The grade-I listed building at 55 Broadway over St James's Park station, dubbed the capital's first skyscraper,
was designed to reflect a bold future for London Transport and has now been earmarked for a residential
redevelopment and a potential sale.
Screens are to be introduced on London's buses informing passengers how many seats are available upstairs
and where they are located. Situated between the driver and the staircase, the technology will save people the
trouble of venturing upstairs to check whether seats are free. Rather than relying on the installation of sensors
in the seats, the system will make use of existing technology, using additional image recognition software to
determine the number of people on seats by scanning CCTV data. Monitors are also being installed which
provide information relating to the route of the buses, with travel updates and details of nearby landmarks. This
will prevent people from distracting the driver with requests for information. Live maps have already been put in
place on some buses and seat counters are to appear on the number 12 route within the next few weeks.
@Stuharris 6360, I've heard that the 'Borismaster' has these, near the rear staircase (stated on TopGear). Are they going to install something similar, but bigger, somewhat like the screens on the NXWM Tridents? Would the iBus announce where seats are situated?
@clayderman Have to say i haven't seen any Borismasters with screens on them.
From what i understand, ibus will not announce where the seats are? Ibus already has announcements saying to move father down the bus, and that seats are available upstairs. These are usually totally ignored by people, so i don't see why a display showing where seats are available upstairs will make a difference. To be honest, i think it's another waste of money, the money could have been spent elsewhere!
If there are sensors presumably there will be an additional message saying "passengers are politely requested to not put their bags on seats beside them" unless of course they want to get to their destination faster.......
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 28, 2014, 10:52:42 AM
@clayderman Have to say i haven't seen any Borismasters with screens on them.
From what i understand, ibus will not announce where the seats are? Ibus already has announcements saying to move father down the bus, and that seats are available upstairs. These are usually totally ignored by people, so i don't see why a display showing where seats are available upstairs will make a difference. To be honest, i think it's another waste of money, the money could have been spent elsewhere!
I was just curious, thanks for the answer! :)
Route 9H, operated by Routemasters, is to be withdrawn on the 23 July 2014.
The Routemasters which operate this route are to be assesed to find the best ones, these will be combined with the best of the fleet operating the 15H so that the 15H will be operated by the best buses that remain.
Just found out that the Routemasters that are to remain will be refurbished!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 03, 2014, 06:31:39 PM
Route 9H, operated by Routemasters, is to be withdrawn on the 23 July 2014.
The Routemasters which operate this route are to be assesed to find the best ones, these will be combined with the best of the fleet operating the 15H so that the 15H will be operated by the best buses that remain.
Just found out that the Routemasters that are to remain will be refurbished!
I believe not only refurbished, but have some original features reinstated like wind down windows
Quote from: Tony on July 03, 2014, 08:01:14 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 03, 2014, 06:31:39 PM
Route 9H, operated by Routemasters, is to be withdrawn on the 23 July 2014.
The Routemasters which operate this route are to be assesed to find the best ones, these will be combined with the best of the fleet operating the 15H so that the 15H will be operated by the best buses that remain.
Just found out that the Routemasters that are to remain will be refurbished!
I believe not only refurbished, but have some original features reinstated like wind down windows
Would be nice to see them with manual gearboxes reinstated to!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 03, 2014, 10:19:30 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 03, 2014, 08:01:14 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 03, 2014, 06:31:39 PM
Route 9H, operated by Routemasters, is to be withdrawn on the 23 July 2014.
The Routemasters which operate this route are to be assesed to find the best ones, these will be combined with the best of the fleet operating the 15H so that the 15H will be operated by the best buses that remain.
Just found out that the Routemasters that are to remain will be refurbished!
I believe not only refurbished, but have some original features reinstated like wind down windows
Would be nice to see them with manual gearboxes reinstated to!
Routemasters never had manual gearboxes, they were built as automatic/semi automatic
Sorry
@Tony, that what was what i meant. Think those gearboxes were more effective, allowed the driver more flexibility, than the current ones.
London Buses are to consider providing a Christmas Day bus service.
Was in London today, saw London Sovereign B5LH VH9 and caught it on the 13. The interesting thing about it was that the front near side tyre had a band at least one inch long from the outside of the tyre which was totally bald and the rest of the tyre had just about visible tread.
Might expect something like that from some operators around the West Midlands, but for a London operator, disgraceful! What do there maintenance department do?
LT312 is with Stagecoach Strathtay at the minute, seen here on the 73 in Dundee
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kiewii/15098615953/
Quote from: John on November 05, 2014, 07:26:00 PM
LT312 is with Stagecoach Strathtay at the minute, seen here on the 73 in Dundee
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kiewii/15098615953/
LT313 is also on loan at the moment.
TFL is currently seeking funding for another 200 LTs to be ordered.
453 is the latest service to be converted with the 137 due before Xmas.
I'm hoping to go down to London to see my younger brother at the end of this month, and would like to take a trip on one of these 'Borismaster' NBFLs if I can. Any routes going over Hackney way that use them yet?
Quote from: Stu on November 05, 2014, 08:19:36 PM
I'm hoping to go down to London to see my younger brother at the end of this month, and would like to take a trip on one of these 'Borismaster' NBFLs if I can. Any routes going over Hackney way that use them yet?
Route 38 from Victoria to Hackney Central/Clapton Pond, every 3-4 mins
PVR of 59 so plenty to see
https://www.londonvf.co.uk will be able to help you too with where the vehicles are
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 05, 2014, 08:02:17 PM
Quote from: John on November 05, 2014, 07:26:00 PM
LT312 is with Stagecoach Strathtay at the minute, seen here on the 73 in Dundee
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kiewii/15098615953/
LT313 is also on loan at the moment.
They don't seem to be doing too well that the moment with one running at least 20 minutes late
Quote from: Kiewii on November 06, 2014, 04:31:47 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 05, 2014, 08:02:17 PM
Quote from: John on November 05, 2014, 07:26:00 PM
LT312 is with Stagecoach Strathtay at the minute, seen here on the 73 in Dundee
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kiewii/15098615953/
LT313 is also on loan at the moment.
They don't seem to be doing too well that the moment with one running at least 20 minutes late
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/dundee/stagecoach-s-routemaster-bus-trial-runs-into-some-trouble-1.695302
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 22, 2014, 10:45:22 AM
Quote from: Kiewii on November 06, 2014, 04:31:47 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 05, 2014, 08:02:17 PM
Quote from: John on November 05, 2014, 07:26:00 PM
LT312 is with Stagecoach Strathtay at the minute, seen here on the 73 in Dundee
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kiewii/15098615953/
LT313 is also on loan at the moment.
They don't seem to be doing too well that the moment with one running at least 20 minutes late
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/dundee/stagecoach-s-routemaster-bus-trial-runs-into-some-trouble-1.695302
Yep. Bet everybody is looking forward to the introduction of 18 hybrids in February!
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Quote from: Kiewii on November 06, 2014, 04:31:47 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 05, 2014, 08:02:17 PM
Quote from: John on November 05, 2014, 07:26:00 PM
LT312 is with Stagecoach Strathtay at the minute, seen here on the 73 in Dundee
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kiewii/15098615953/
LT313 is also on loan at the moment.
They don't seem to be doing too well that the moment with one running at least 20 minutes late
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/dundee/stagecoach-s-routemaster-bus-trial-runs-into-some-trouble-1.695302
They are now both restricted to duplicate runs.
Quote from: Kiewii on November 24, 2014, 08:53:53 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 22, 2014, 10:45:22 AM
Quote from: Kiewii on November 06, 2014, 04:31:47 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 05, 2014, 08:02:17 PM
Quote from: John on November 05, 2014, 07:26:00 PM
LT312 is with Stagecoach Strathtay at the minute, seen here on the 73 in Dundee
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kiewii/15098615953/
LT313 is also on loan at the moment.
They don't seem to be doing too well that the moment with one running at least 20 minutes late
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/dundee/stagecoach-s-routemaster-bus-trial-runs-into-some-trouble-1.695302
They are now both restricted to duplicate runs.
Don't think they will last very long? Have they specially employed conbductors for the tests or do conductors operate on that route anyway?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 24, 2014, 09:14:36 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on November 24, 2014, 08:53:53 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 22, 2014, 10:45:22 AM
Quote from: Kiewii on November 06, 2014, 04:31:47 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 05, 2014, 08:02:17 PM
Quote from: John on November 05, 2014, 07:26:00 PM
LT312 is with Stagecoach Strathtay at the minute, seen here on the 73 in Dundee
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kiewii/15098615953/
LT313 is also on loan at the moment.
They don't seem to be doing too well that the moment with one running at least 20 minutes late
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/dundee/stagecoach-s-routemaster-bus-trial-runs-into-some-trouble-1.695302
They are now both restricted to duplicate runs.
Don't think they will last very long? Have they specially employed conbductors for the tests or do conductors operate on that route anyway?
Conductors have always operated on the 73. Currently it is Monday-Saturday daytime, Friday & Saturday evening & selected busy Sunday journeys
When the new stuff don't work, bring on the old stuff!!!
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/dundee/driving-back-the-years-vintage-routemaster-to-arrive-in-dundee-1.721432
Finally, something better! Those old routemasters are priceless, I would die to own one.
Quote from: Kiewii on November 24, 2014, 11:05:37 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 24, 2014, 09:14:36 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on November 24, 2014, 08:53:53 PM
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Quote from: Kiewii on November 06, 2014, 04:31:47 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 05, 2014, 08:02:17 PM
Quote from: John on November 05, 2014, 07:26:00 PM
LT312 is with Stagecoach Strathtay at the minute, seen here on the 73 in Dundee
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kiewii/15098615953/
LT313 is also on loan at the moment.
They don't seem to be doing too well that the moment with one running at least 20 minutes late
http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/local/dundee/stagecoach-s-routemaster-bus-trial-runs-into-some-trouble-1.695302
They are now both restricted to duplicate runs.
Don't think they will last very long? Have they specially employed conbductors for the tests or do conductors operate on that route anyway?
Conductors have always operated on the 73. Currently it is Monday-Saturday daytime, Friday & Saturday evening & selected busy Sunday journeys
LT312/3 arrived at West Ham garage today ending there holiday in Scotland.
New Alexander Dennis E40H Enviro400MMC double deckers are being delivered from the Scarborough factory.
These are the new style bodies and are the first for London, for the new contract for routes 109/N109,
commencing on 31/01/15.
The official list of registrations are:
2487-2500: YY64 TYD/F/G/H/K/O/P/S/T/U/V/W/X/Z
2501-2514: YY64 TZA/B/C/D/E/F/G/H/J/K/L/M/N/O
LT314 and LT315 are the first two Borismasters to enter service on the Stagecoach 55
Quote from: Kiewii on January 19, 2015, 05:15:44 PM
LT314 and LT315 are the first two Borismasters to enter service on the Stagecoach 55
Yes 315 was used on Saturday and is being used again today, 314 only did one run on Saturday, returned to garage and hasn't been seen since.
Has Stagecoach 19000 'LX55 HGC' been taken out of use? As LVF says the last day it was in service was Christmas Eve on the 55.
It was one London bus I really wanted to find, being the first Enviro400 built and also for what it stands for
Quote from: John on January 19, 2015, 06:13:44 PM
Has Stagecoach 19000 'LX55 HGC' been taken out of use? As LVF says the last day it was in service was Christmas Eve on the 55.
It was one London bus I really wanted to find, being the first Enviro400 built and also for what it stands for
19000 is (or was on 04/01/15) still allocated to Leyton according to Stagecoach Official Fleet List.
Quote from: John on January 19, 2015, 06:13:44 PM
Has Stagecoach 19000 'LX55 HGC' been taken out of use? As LVF says the last day it was in service was Christmas Eve on the 55.
It was one London bus I really wanted to find, being the first Enviro400 built and also for what it stands for
It was last seen on 29 December at West Ham for a MOT
Quote from: Kiewii on January 19, 2015, 06:56:07 PM
Quote from: John on January 19, 2015, 06:13:44 PM
Has Stagecoach 19000 'LX55 HGC' been taken out of use? As LVF says the last day it was in service was Christmas Eve on the 55.
It was one London bus I really wanted to find, being the first Enviro400 built and also for what it stands for
It was last seen on 29 December at West Ham for a MOT
Wonder if it will ever operate at Leyton again, phased conversion to NB4L is due to start on the 55 next Saturday which is over a month earlier than anticipated.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 19, 2015, 09:04:03 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on January 19, 2015, 06:56:07 PM
Quote from: John on January 19, 2015, 06:13:44 PM
Has Stagecoach 19000 'LX55 HGC' been taken out of use? As LVF says the last day it was in service was Christmas Eve on the 55.
It was one London bus I really wanted to find, being the first Enviro400 built and also for what it stands for
It was last seen on 29 December at West Ham for a MOT
Wonder if it will ever operate at Leyton again, phased conversion to NB4L is due to start on the 55 next Saturday which is over a month earlier than anticipated.
At least one NBfL is already on the 55
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124193440@N06/16275473956/
Quote from: John on January 19, 2015, 09:07:05 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 19, 2015, 09:04:03 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on January 19, 2015, 06:56:07 PM
Quote from: John on January 19, 2015, 06:13:44 PM
Has Stagecoach 19000 'LX55 HGC' been taken out of use? As LVF says the last day it was in service was Christmas Eve on the 55.
It was one London bus I really wanted to find, being the first Enviro400 built and also for what it stands for
It was last seen on 29 December at West Ham for a MOT
Wonder if it will ever operate at Leyton again, phased conversion to NB4L is due to start on the 55 next Saturday which is over a month earlier than anticipated.
At least one NBfL is already on the 55
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124193440@N06/16275473956/
Have asked on LVF if anybody knows what has happened to 19000.
LT358 out on the 55 today!
I'm reliably informed that the 73 will be next for Borismasters after the 55 allowing Gemini's to be cascaded to routes Arriva have retained such as the 253.
Quote from: JoNi on January 20, 2015, 12:54:28 PM
I'm reliably informed that the 73 will be next for Borismasters after the 55 allowing Gemini's to be cascaded to routes Arriva have retained such as the 253.
Yes i had heard the 73 or the 12, with the 159 being put back to when the tender changes in Dec 2015.
Wouldn't be surprised if BN don't get some of the Geminis to supplement the ones they already use on the 59/319.
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/o5Fw4J
Thanks Stu caught LT 315 which also came out and was able to see the new entrance to Tottenham Court Road station with escalators from street level opened last week.
Quote from: JoNi on January 20, 2015, 05:10:33 PM
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/o5Fw4J
Thanks Stu caught LT 315 which also came out and was able to see the new entrance to Tottenham Court Road station with escalators from street level opened last week.
LT357 may be out as well, i had email saying it was but LVF now crashed so will have to wait and see.
It was but was leaving Oxford Circus when I was coming in from West London. The Livingstone days of London buses being all red have certainly gone, with plenty of overall ads and full rear ads on buses. Managed to ride on a Tower Transit TAL class ALX400 on 23 which they got from Ensign bus. It still had ELBG seats in it!
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Quote from: John on January 19, 2015, 09:07:05 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 19, 2015, 09:04:03 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on January 19, 2015, 06:56:07 PM
Quote from: John on January 19, 2015, 06:13:44 PM
Has Stagecoach 19000 'LX55 HGC' been taken out of use? As LVF says the last day it was in service was Christmas Eve on the 55.
It was one London bus I really wanted to find, being the first Enviro400 built and also for what it stands for
It was last seen on 29 December at West Ham for a MOT
Wonder if it will ever operate at Leyton again, phased conversion to NB4L is due to start on the 55 next Saturday which is over a month earlier than anticipated.
At least one NBfL is already on the 55
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124193440@N06/16275473956/
Have asked on LVF if anybody knows what has happened to 19000.
LT358 out on the 55 today!
Just looked on LVF, and 19000 appears to be back out on the 55. Hopefully I can find it before Sunday
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Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 20, 2015, 12:53:45 PM
Quote from: John on January 19, 2015, 09:07:05 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 19, 2015, 09:04:03 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on January 19, 2015, 06:56:07 PM
Quote from: John on January 19, 2015, 06:13:44 PM
Has Stagecoach 19000 'LX55 HGC' been taken out of use? As LVF says the last day it was in service was Christmas Eve on the 55.
It was one London bus I really wanted to find, being the first Enviro400 built and also for what it stands for
It was last seen on 29 December at West Ham for a MOT
Wonder if it will ever operate at Leyton again, phased conversion to NB4L is due to start on the 55 next Saturday which is over a month earlier than anticipated.
At least one NBfL is already on the 55
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124193440@N06/16275473956/
Have asked on LVF if anybody knows what has happened to 19000.
LT358 out on the 55 today!
Just looked on LVF, and 19000 appears to be back out on the 55. Hopefully I can find it before Sunday
You will probably get 19000 on the 55 after Sunday, phased conversion to NB4L will begin but that usually takes 4 to 6 weeks to achieve.
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Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 20, 2015, 12:53:45 PM
Quote from: John on January 19, 2015, 09:07:05 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 19, 2015, 09:04:03 PM
Quote from: Kiewii on January 19, 2015, 06:56:07 PM
Quote from: John on January 19, 2015, 06:13:44 PM
Has Stagecoach 19000 'LX55 HGC' been taken out of use? As LVF says the last day it was in service was Christmas Eve on the 55.
It was one London bus I really wanted to find, being the first Enviro400 built and also for what it stands for
It was last seen on 29 December at West Ham for a MOT
Wonder if it will ever operate at Leyton again, phased conversion to NB4L is due to start on the 55 next Saturday which is over a month earlier than anticipated.
At least one NBfL is already on the 55
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124193440@N06/16275473956/
Have asked on LVF if anybody knows what has happened to 19000.
LT358 out on the 55 today!
Just looked on LVF, and 19000 appears to be back out on the 55. Hopefully I can find it before Sunday
Thanks to LVF, managed to find 19000 Friday afternoon on the 55. It took me a good few hours though!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/16178704928/
Coincidently, I also managed to snap 17757, sister bus to the Trident that was destroyed on that day
I also got pics of another 44 NBfLs (added bonus of LT150 still in its silver livery), and managed to ride one too (LT284 on the 453)
And no, I don't go to London just for the buses!
Quote from: JoNi on January 20, 2015, 12:54:28 PM
I'm reliably informed that the 73 will be next for Borismasters after the 55 allowing Gemini's to be cascaded to routes Arriva have retained such as the 253.
Just been announced, next route for the Borismasters is to be the 15!
http://www.mayorwatch.co.uk/routes-55-and-15-gain-new-routemaster-but-no-open-rear-platform/
I have noticed that the 15 has been getting a few Tridents from reserve and West Ham over the last few weeks (17503, 17530, 17556, 17557, 17936, 18239, 18274 & 18454). Does Bow have a vehicle shortage or something, or are they being needed for extras?
The current allocation for the 15 should be 19 buses from Bow with a further 5 supplied by West Ham (plus the additional 5 for the 15H).
Will be interesting to see if the 15H is continued once the 15 goes to NRM, as one of the excuses used for the withdrawl of the 9H was that they didn't want Routemasters and NRMs operating on the same route.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 28, 2015, 04:10:25 PM
The current allocation for the 15 should be 19 buses from Bow with a further 5 supplied by West Ham (plus the additional 5 for the 15H).
Will be interesting to see if the 15H is continued once the 15 goes to NRM, as one of the excuses used for the withdrawl of the 9H was that they didn't want Routemasters and NRMs operating on the same route.
Ah right, thanks. Was not aware of West Ham operating on the 15, just thought they were loans
15 proves useful at Tower when there snap loads of tourists and they're getting on at the end if the route.
The first Enviro 400 MMC in London entered service on route 157 today, they are to be used on route 109, but Abellio doesn't take it over till Saturday!
The 15 is scheduled to be converted to NRMs on 28 Feb 2015, certain early morning/late evening journeys will continue to use standard buses.
The Enviro 400s from the 15 (Bow allocation) will be transferred to T (Leyton) for use on the new 56 contract.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 28, 2015, 05:26:13 PM
The first Enviro 400 MMC in London entered service on route 157 today, they are to be used on route 109, but Abellio doesn't take it over till Saturday!
Found this on flickr:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124193440@N06/15797188854/in/photolist-pHkRFE-qqZY52-qqRifL-pwnoqt-p6vus4-q2WSLN-q4WHT5-oowZc9-oqaXLp-qkhurD-pKzRBV-q5qUNy-pKzRC6-p7RWK6-r1aFru-qkfWte-q4f7Yq-qeMYNN-q4r5X6-pNccTW-qjJkZx-qeURfD-qAKvHM-pE9T3B-pHzFm9-qiCbgU-pYfqRR-pFPNpF-pWa1rG-pFPKE2-pFPMqr-pW9XNq-qeWygH-qG8Uwn-qRjEF1-pmf8bA-qdrdBj-pn7uVt-pHxT1x-pZKeCF-pFXpPK-p4biL2-p2Dw1k-pmLAAJ-oZ241p-oqrR69-nXr3YY-nTsDay-pPjoXo-pwKtpP
Ex Strathtay LT312, LT361 and LT382 entered service today on the 55
The following are now in service:
LT312, LT314, LT315, LT316, LT357, LT358, LT360, LT361, LT364, LT376, LT380, LT382, LT384
http://dailym.ai/1D5rHLT
Quote from: Nathan on February 02, 2015, 03:34:51 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 28, 2015, 05:26:13 PM
The first Enviro 400 MMC in London entered service on route 157 today, they are to be used on route 109, but Abellio doesn't take it over till Saturday!
Found this on flickr:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/124193440@N06/15797188854/in/photolist-pHkRFE-qqZY52-qqRifL-pwnoqt-p6vus4-q2WSLN-q4WHT5-oowZc9-oqaXLp-qkhurD-pKzRBV-q5qUNy-pKzRC6-p7RWK6-r1aFru-qkfWte-q4f7Yq-qeMYNN-q4r5X6-pNccTW-qjJkZx-qeURfD-qAKvHM-pE9T3B-pHzFm9-qiCbgU-pYfqRR-pFPNpF-pWa1rG-pFPKE2-pFPMqr-pW9XNq-qeWygH-qG8Uwn-qRjEF1-pmf8bA-qdrdBj-pn7uVt-pHxT1x-pZKeCF-pFXpPK-p4biL2-p2Dw1k-pmLAAJ-oZ241p-oqrR69-nXr3YY-nTsDay-pPjoXo-pwKtpP
That is pictured outside Brixton Garage
LT354/5 (were at Brixton Garage) have been transferred to Ash Grove and LT356 has been delivered there "for future requirements"
Enviro MMC's en mass at Bus stand in Croydon today
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/9bpWhP
Comment from passenger that bus had nice bright red seats inside. Some Gemini's from 157 were being used tonight.
A reminder that another London bus strike has been called for this Thursday!
LT360 (which entered service yesterday) has already been in an accident, with the front nearside all smashed up
Still no sign of LT62 after its accident on 22 September 2013.
Quote from: Kiewii on February 03, 2015, 09:20:35 PM
LT360 (which entered service yesterday) has already been in an accident, with the front nearside all smashed up
and Leyton have lost another one, LT315 is so i am told parked in Hackney with severe front end damage.
Yes, these Routemasters are very weak at the front.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on February 04, 2015, 08:14:04 PM
Yes, these Routemasters are very weak at the front.
Have you tried headbutting one. I think you will find they are not!
For some reason, LT315 managed to drive straight into the back of DW516 which was on the 106, DW516 is said to have significant damage to, i just wonder if there is some reason why we get a few incidents with these new Routemasters. A few of the accidents have happened shortly after the type has been introduced at a garage.
I just wonder if driver familiarisation is as thorough as it should be??
@Tony As a matter of interest, If a new bus type is introduced to a garage, what sort of training should take place?
Quote from: Tony on February 04, 2015, 08:18:51 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on February 04, 2015, 08:14:04 PM
Yes, these Routemasters are very weak at the front.
Have you tried headbutting one. I think you will find they are not!
But also, you'd find that they're not just the 'Routemasters' - to avoid confusion with the iconic model, I'd rather call them the 'New Routemasters', or to be more efficient (to me) the 'Borismasters' - just thought I ought to clear that up. ;)
Quote from: Tony on February 04, 2015, 08:18:51 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on February 04, 2015, 08:14:04 PM
Yes, these Routemasters are very weak at the front.
Have you tried headbutting one. I think you will find they are not!
Well, my head isn't that strong to smash the front of a bus. :D
Metroline E40 TE1745 lost its roof to a tree on Kingsway on Monday.
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Seems to be rather neatly sliced off, especially considering London traffic speeds.
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Saw an LT heading south on the M40 earlier today, couldn't see the registration as I was going north. But there was no fleet number or operating company logo. This is the second one I've seen like this
Route 12 next for NB4L
Transport for London announced on 02/03/15 that Arriva has been awarded the contract to operate route 312,
which will become the first route in London to be operated entirely by electric buses, from September 2015.
There are currently two Optare MetroCity electric single deck buses on route 312, which runs between South
Croydon and Norwood Junction. These two buses have been used as an initial test to establish whether the
technology could stand up to the rigours of operating in an intense urban environment such as London. Arriva is
currently in talks with bus manufacturers with a view to adding a further seven electric buses to the route. A date
for the route 312's conversion to all electric buses will be confirmed later this year.
NB4L update,
Route 15 has now been virtually completed and the next route is the 12.
Driver training is taking place at Stamford Hill ready for the conversion of the 73!
Quote from: Matt on April 06, 2015, 10:31:55 PM
Do they still have old RM's on there??
@Matt, yes 5 are used every day on the heritage service . Stagecoach have a pool of 10 for them.
TFL are going to look at all the RMs they have and choose the best 10 and are looking to have them refurbished!
New route 12 NB4L, LT437 has been involved in an accident with a taxi and is off the road!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 03, 2015, 09:34:10 PM
Still no sign of LT62 after its accident on 22 September 2013.
LT62 is now back in Ireland at Wrights and is the subject of a complex legal battle, it is being said that it may never see service again!
Two more New Routemasters off the road.See : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3045931/Now-s-tight-squeeze-Mercedes-squashed-buses-four-vehicle-pile-up.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490.
Also, an apparent computer? malfunction caused this crash as well. See: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32342684Cached
Quote from: suavegarv on April 21, 2015, 10:09:31 PM
Two more New Routemasters off the road.See : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3045931/Now-s-tight-squeeze-Mercedes-squashed-buses-four-vehicle-pile-up.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490.
Also, an apparent computer? malfunction caused this crash as well. See: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-32342684Cached
This link is not working, however if you are refering to the LT62 accident then it has not been proved either way what caused the accident.
Oops about the link.
Try this one http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/570907/VIDEO-London-Routemaster-bus-horror-crash
Conversion of route 73 to new Routemaster is now underway, although LT472 has already received front end rta damage!!
(Update ran into the back of LT25 on the 390 at lunchtime today) Another 2 LTs off the road!
Routes 149 & 168 have been confirmed by TFL as next for conversion
TfL has launched a consultation on changes to night services from September when night tube services begin. Full details on https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/night-bus-review
Quote from: John on January 25, 2015, 08:04:50 PM
Have asked on LVF if anybody knows what has happened to 19000.
LT358 out on the 55 today!
Just looked on LVF, and 19000 appears to be back out on the 55. Hopefully I can find it before Sunday
Thanks to LVF, managed to find 19000 Friday afternoon on the 55. It took me a good few hours though!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/16178704928/
19000 has managed to hang on in London and is now allocated to Rainham garage with a lot of time being spent on routes 103, 248 & 252.
latest New Routemaster News.
service 73 is now 2/3 complete, the final batch of buses are now being delivered have a rear door modification so that only part of the door opens.
Next routes due to be converted
149 will be converted on 17 Oct 15
159 contract awarded to Abellio and will use new Routemasters from 12 Dec 15 (Strange one as it will be run from Bebbington Cross garage in Croydon, why it couldn't have been re awarded to Arriva when the bus stops right outside Brixton Garage, dead running galore)
91 will be converted on the 6 Feb 16.
Old Routemasters are to continue on the 15H but the frequency will drop to every 20 minutes from 14 Nov 15, however Leon Daniels has said that an announcement is imminent for the 15H to make it more attractive for people to ride on???
Abellio's first NFBL route 159 is to be run from Battersea Depot (QB) not Beddington Cross.
Quote from: Winston on June 17, 2015, 08:14:05 PM
Abellio's first NFBL route 159 is to be run from Battersea Depot (QB) not Beddington Cross.
According to Ian Rivett via London Bus News, it is to be Bebbington Cross
@Winston
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 17, 2015, 09:08:22 PM
According to Ian Rivett via London Bus News, it is to be Bebbington Cross @Winston
According to the TFL forum & Abellio Staff on the London Bus forum the 159 is being run from Battersea. It's highly unlikely Beddington Cross would even have capacity for the 159.
http://www.thetflforum.co.uk/forum/printthread.php?tid=1331
Quote from: Winston on June 17, 2015, 09:19:09 PM
According to the TFL forum & Abellio Staff on the London Bus forum the 159 is being run from Battersea. It's highly unlikely Beddington Cross would even have capacity for the 159.
http://www.thetflforum.co.uk/forum/printthread.php?tid=1331
Unusual for Ian to be wrong.
Still say that Arriva should have kept the service, still quite a bit of dead running between Battersea and Streatham Station.
That's the reality of franchising, nostalgia does come into it. Operators are purely contractors providing services with no incentive to use local knowledge to develop services.
I was advised the 159 was cut back from Paddington Basin because Borismasters couldn't get round some of the corners.
Quote from: JoNi on June 18, 2015, 05:41:15 AM
That's the reality of franchising, nostalgia does come into it. Operators are purely contractors providing services with no incentive to use local knowledge to develop services.
I was advised the 159 was cut back from Paddington Basin because Borismasters couldn't get round some of the corners.
I don't think it was ever really used that much when it terminated at Paddington Basin.
Metroline TEH1224 has been fitted with new blind technology, I understand this is called a e-ink blind. Technology similar to a kindle apparently.
Don't know if anybody knows anymore about this kind of technology!
London buses to trial speed safety technology
The Mayor and TfL announced today that Intelligent Speed Adaptation (ISA), an innovative technology that ensures vehicles can't exceed speed limits, will be trialled on 47 London buses on routes 19 (which runs from Battersea to Finsbury Park) and route 486 (which runs from North Greenwich to Bexleyheath). These routes include a variety of different road environments, with differing speed limits, which will allow the new technology to be fully tested.
Jack Skillen, London Director of Living Streets, said: "It's critical that we make walking safer and easier as a way of improving people's Intelligent Speed Adaptation being implemented on London's bus fleet and the introduction of more 20 mph limits to help reduce road danger and make our streets safer for pedestrians. We have been working closely with TfL to put the Pedestrian Safety Action Plan in place, and look forward to seeing the roll out of ISA more widely across London."
The data informing the ISA trials will come from TfL's Digital Speed Limit map of London, which was re-launched last year.
Extract from TfL press release
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 25, 2015, 01:24:37 PM
Metroline TEH1224 has been fitted with new blind technology, I understand this is called a e-ink blind. Technology similar to a kindle apparently.
Don't know if anybody knows anymore about this kind of technology!
It's baisically a Kindle screen like you said. It involves some sort of smart ink that can be selected, Very expensive though.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 25, 2015, 01:24:37 PM
Metroline TEH1224 has been fitted with new blind technology, I understand this is called a e-ink blind. Technology similar to a kindle apparently.
Don't know if anybody knows anymore about this kind of technology!
Does anybody have a photo? Been scouring flickr for one, and found one as recent as April...
Only got this one, courtesy of Keith Wood
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 27, 2015, 11:21:12 AM
Only got this one, courtesy of Keith Wood
It's certainly different, but not too noticable at the front... If i'm right, e-ink works somewhat similar to flipdot - as in, the colour will invert where the display needs to, to show correct information. ??? I fear I may be wrong, anybody frel free to correct me, but i'm sure it works along those guidelines.
Didn't the merc citaro k have similar displays??
Quote from: clayderman on June 27, 2015, 12:16:01 PM
It's certainly different, but not too noticable at the front... If i'm right, e-ink works somewhat similar to flipdot - as in, the colour will invert where the display needs to, to show correct information. ??? I fear I may be wrong, anybody frel free to correct me, but i'm sure it works along those guidelines.
As has been mentioned several times already, e-Ink is the same technology used in Amazon's Kindle e-reader device. The display will be much higher-resolution than a flip-dot display, and is more power efficient, as power is only used to refresh the display when it changes.
I don't know if it is still there, but one of the timetable boards inside a bus shelter at Oldbury Interchange used the same technology to display 'printed' timetable info.
http://www.mayorwatch.co.uk/after-a-decade-of-talk-londons-bus-fleet-will-trial-speed-limiting-technology/
London's first double deck bus powered solely by electricity is due in service in October.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-33310988
@Bryan - I believe this is a concept image:
http://www.route-one.net/industry/byd-worlds-first-electric-decker/
Horrific design. Makes me want to yearn for the Optare Metrodecker.
Quote from: clayderman on July 03, 2015, 05:21:32 PM
@Bryan - I believe this is a concept image:
http://www.route-one.net/industry/byd-worlds-first-electric-decker/
Horrific design. Makes me want to yearn for the Optare Metrodecker.
The styling looks a bit like the new MCV decker currently in EYMS livery
"Red Arrows" to go electric!
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2015/more-than-50-all-electric-buses-to-enter-service-in-london&ved=0CB8QFjAAahUKEwj1x4Dy6N_GAhWIDSwKHUe9DoY&usg=AFQjCNH7aRphxd6q-79XAqZoKgLPbh-Mjw
The Red Arrows were always going to go all-electric as soon as the commitment to all single-deckers in the central area being zero emission capable from 2020(?) was made. The two routes are short-distance and highly peaked, which is ideal for electric operation. No doubt there will be a bunfight between Irizar, Volvo, ADL and whoever else to get the order. Irizar UK certainly haven't appointed John Horn (formerly of Optare) for two buses, that's for sure.
As for the BBC's claim that the BYD is going to be London's first electric double-decker... don't all those trolleybuses count?!
Stagecoach London have retained the contract to operate the 15H, but the frequency will be reduced to every 20 mins although still using 5 buses.
10 Routemasters are being "de-furbished" (returned to as near-original conition as current regulations allow) at H&D Trim in Barton Park, Eastleigh.
Londons precious new buses seem to be having problems
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-33569460
To me they should also be doing something about the heat on those vehicles, they need to rename them sweatmasters, went on a few on Saturday and felt i was being toasted alive!
This problem is becoming well known because of the LT class being politicized. (I like the bus, but, official name or not, I refuse to call it a Routemaster) Are any of the other hybrids having battery problems yet? I would be surprised if not, because, barring the milk float, time and time again throughout transport history battery technology has let us down. Either the range ends up far lower than predicted, or the battery life is far shorter. When oh when is there going to be a big trial with flywheel technology? I know TfL wish to go for all-battery operation in central London, but unless a large number of reserve vehicles are made available, with its inevitable cost, I see trouble ahead. Then again, anything that is politically motivated will be made to work no matter what the cost.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 20, 2015, 12:33:05 PM
Londons precious new buses seem to be having problems
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-33569460
To me they should also be doing something about the heat on those vehicles, they need to rename them sweatmasters, went on a few on Saturday and felt i was being toasted alive!
Now take out the idiot Christian Wolmar who has political reasons for his spoutings, he wants to be the next Labour Mayor of London, so anything Boris has done is bad. and you get a more balanced view on the current story. It is in the Guardian which is normally very Labour supporting, but not backing CW's claims, so I tend to think this is a fairly balanced article
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/davehillblog/2015/jul/24/boriss-bus-a-political-journey-part-44-the-flat-battery-affair?CMP=share_btn_fb
Personally think the NRM is a total waste of time and money, was supposed to be used in crew operation, until they found the cost was prohibitive, and the new LTs being delivered now couldn't be used like that anyway, they bake you in the heat, i just wonder what the new mayor will do with these white elephants.
Quote from: Tony on July 24, 2015, 01:13:28 PM
Now take out the idiot Christian Wolmar who has political reasons for his spoutings, he wants to be the next Labour Mayor of London, so anything Boris has done is bad.
Quite. Wolmar should stick to writing about railways as the BBC article demonstrates that he has no idea how a series hybrid diesel-electric bus functions.
He says that "the electric motor does not work" in nine out of every ten New RMs. The motor is the only means of propulsion for the type, and so if it didn't work then London would be littered with immobile Borismasters. It is highly irresponsible of the BBC to be giving air time to someone who is as clueless on the subject as Wolmar is.
While there clearly is a problem with New RM batteries, and one which is going to be hugely expensive for whoever has produced them, the BBC article is full of little other than "I am told" and "the drivers say that..." It hardly inspires confidence in what is presented as fact by the reporter.
QuoteAre any of the other hybrids having battery problems yet? I would be surprised if not, because, barring the milk float, time and time again throughout transport history battery technology has let us down. Either the range ends up far lower than predicted, or the battery life is far shorter. When oh when is there going to be a big trial with flywheel technology?
Do not be surprised. There is a huge and very expensive problem looming with the batteries on early hybrids, which have failed to meet the 7.5 year lifespan promised by the manufacturers. To replace a set is horrifically expensive, and even then they are only good for another 5-6 years. Hybrids will also have pathetic resale values on the second-hand market, as shown by the few that Ensign has struggled to shift so far, because who is going to spend a massive amount on batteries in a bus which is over 10 years old?
I am absolutely certain that many of the E400 hybrids and the like will go for scrap when they come out of London at 12-14 years old, but there is also a line of thinking within the industry that conversion of some hybrids to straight diesel with Euro 6 units is not unlikely in time. It will give a proven product which will be worth much more than a diesel-electric when the time comes to get rid. In the grand scheme of things, hybrid is a flash in the pan, and little more than a stepping stone between diesel and full electric.
As for flywheels, there are quite a number already in the market with Go-Ahead which have been fitted by GKN at Telford. Wrightbus is working with Torotrak on a flywheel arrangement and there is one in a StreetLite with Arriva in Gillingham. The tough nut for manufacturers to crack is integrating the flywheel into the remainder of the bus' systems: it must talk to the engine and gearbox so that both are aware that the flywheel is dumping energy back into the driveline upon acceleration. The gearbox retarder also needs to be switched out when the flywheel is charging to allow it to harvest the most energy.
It may be taking a while but I am sure both the GKN and Torotrak will get their flywheels into the mainstream market before too much longer. The concept is inherently sound and cost effective. The flywheel unit is very solid indeed and requires only one removal for maintenance through the vehicle's life. It will become the same as Micro Hybrid in Wrightbus products: as good as a standard fit.
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/lewisbus/19525055623/
Credit to Photographer
Quote from: clayderman on July 30, 2015, 05:45:46 PM
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/lewisbus/19525055623/
Credit to Photographer
The E200MMC styling at the front definitely looks better with the black light surrounds & recess where the registration plate sits
Quote from: Winston on July 30, 2015, 05:48:43 PM
The E200MMC styling at the front definitely looks better with the black light surrounds & recess where the registration plate sits
Well, personally, I prefer the NX version. I think the red livery & light surrounds deters the asymettric design slightly better.
http://www.busandcoach.com/news/articles/byd-and-adl-to-build-51-electric-buses-for-go-ahead-london/
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/six-taken-to-hospital-after-bus-crash-in-kensington-high-street-10429326.html?icn=ticker-1
A London tour bus has hit a tree, shearing its roof off, at the junction of Woburn Place with Tavistock Place. Emergency services currently at the scene!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 03, 2015, 02:06:20 PM
A London tour bus has hit a tree, shearing its roof off, at the junction of Woburn Place with Tavistock Place. Emergency services currently at the scene!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-33760418
Quote from: John on August 03, 2015, 06:58:55 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-33760418
Golden Tours again!
I am feeling uneasy about this. It is not the first time a bus has hit a, presumably, overhanging tree on a London street and suffered severe damage. I would have thought it was the councils responsibility to maintain the trees such that there is sufficient headroom for a bus making use of a bus stop. If they do not, then should there not be a road sign indicating restricted headroom at the edge of the road, much the same as if it were an arched bridge? If a bus driver pulls to the kerb (as they are strongly urged to nowadays) to drop off or take on passengers, surely they can expect to do so without destroying the bus? To me, this goes way beyond a drivers' responsibility to "be aware of possible contact with street furniture".
Quote from: Tiptonian on August 03, 2015, 08:27:41 PM
I am feeling uneasy about this. It is not the first time a bus has hit a, presumably, overhanging tree on a London street and suffered severe damage. I would have thought it was the councils responsibility to maintain the trees such that there is sufficient headroom for a bus making use of a bus stop. If they do not, then should there not be a road sign indicating restricted headroom at the edge of the road, much the same as if it were an arched bridge? If a bus driver pulls to the kerb (as they are strongly urged to nowadays) to drop off or take on passengers, surely they can expect to do so without destroying the bus? To me, this goes way beyond a drivers' responsibility to "be aware of possible contact with street furniture".
TfL do put notices up warning bus drivers of any overhanging trees, I have come across lots of them when driving down there
Also an observation from Tony's excellent Abellio Battersea photos from yesterday- I'm surprised to still see all those darts?! Even the odd euro2 example, yes some must be trainers or withdrawn but I never see darts in central London. Even the 100 that had the nice TWM spec BX54 examples now has e200s!
Was fleetnumber 474 ex Stagecoach London TA100/17100 V474KJN
I think some unusual workings may be in force on Thursday :)
Quote from: the trainbasher on August 03, 2015, 09:36:14 PM
I think some unusual workings may be in force on Thursday :)
If there are any spare Routemasters, Stagecoach will use them on the 158 so i understand with office staff as conductors.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 03, 2015, 09:52:34 PM
If there are any spare Routemasters, Stagecoach will use them on the 158 so i understand with office staff as conductors.
Ensign sent out MD60 & MB1 last month when the strike happened
On my recent trip to London I saw a new ? LT171 in all over BLUE livery...is this the ONLY London Boris? in Blue or are there others? I took a photo of it opp Kings X station and sent it to tony.
@windy miller LT171 is in an ad for Vita Coco.
Other buses are in a blue ad for Sunglasses Hut.
Thanks Stu... I presume the livery will return to normal in a few months time?
Quote from: windy miller on August 05, 2015, 12:34:38 AM
Thanks Stu... I presume the livery will return to normal in a few months time?
Yes Windy, ad liverys don't seem to last to long in London.
LT509 just noted heading along Eastern Avenue Lichfield.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3186671/Chaos-buses-roads-Millions-London-commuters-endure-misery-Tube-drivers-strike-pay-shuts-entire-network.html#i-53e0bbf8309f66be
LT201 has received severe front end damage whilst on the N38 overnight, was just leaving Victoria Bus Station
Deliveries are underway for route 88 (PVR 24), next route for LTs to be followed by 16 (PVR 18), 149 (PVR 38) & 159 (PVR 34) before the end of the year.
Reading Buses has LT 586 on loan for two weeks for use on route 17 in the town. It was due to begin on Monday 17th August running between approx 8am-10am and 2pm-6pm. From the last week of August for another two weeks it will be a Street Deck demonstrator.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 18, 2015, 07:49:11 PM
Deliveries are underway for route 88 (PVR 24), next route for LTs to be followed by 16 (PVR 18), 149 (PVR 38) & 159 (PVR 34) before the end of the year.
Reading Buses has LT 586 on loan for two weeks for use on route 17 in the town. It was due to begin on Monday 17th August running between approx 8am-10am and 2pm-6pm. From the last week of August for another two weeks it will be a Street Deck demonstrator.
Last Wednesday when I was driving up to Dundee I past green LT2 heading south down the M6 in Lancashire, not sure where it was going, still has the original registration on as well at the moment
Quote from: Tony on August 18, 2015, 08:02:11 PM
Last Wednesday when I was driving up to Dundee I past green LT2 heading south down the M6 in Lancashire, not sure where it was going, still has the original registration on as well at the moment
LT2 arrived back at Clapton garage yesterday. Rumour has it that both LT1 & 2 are to go to the Wrightbus facility at Orpington, before a reported return to service.
TEH1224, the bus with e-ink displays, has been dubbed 'The Kindle Bus'... I know for certain there's photos about two pages before this post, but here's a demonstration video of the display changing... [Credit to Owner]
https://www.flickr.com/photos/londonbusbreh1912/20554249679/in/dateposted/
http://www.busandcoach.com/news/articles/launch-of-london-spec-enviro400h-city-at-cb-live-show/
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 11, 2015, 05:21:10 PM
http://www.busandcoach.com/news/articles/launch-of-london-spec-enviro400h-city-at-cb-live-show/
Now. I'm not saying it's horrendous, but it's pretty damn ugly! What happened, ADL? Aesthetically, the front looks almost identical to the E200, and the side too reminiscent of the "New Routemaster". Of course, I assume it's only a mockup image, I hope they can re-evaluate the design a bit, to make it appear more like the current E400MMC... At the front at least. It won't be a "London exclusive" vehicle will it? Like the Wrightbus "Routemaster"?
Quote from: clayderman on September 11, 2015, 07:25:41 PM
Now. I'm not saying it's horrendous, but it's pretty damn ugly! What happened, ADL? Aesthetically, the front looks almost identical to the E200, and the side too reminiscent of the "New Routemaster". Of course, I assume it's only a mockup image, I hope they can re-evaluate the design a bit, to make it appear more like the current E400MMC... At the front at least. It won't be a "London exclusive" vehicle will it? Like the Wrightbus "Routemaster"?
My thoughts exactly, i do hope they do not use that paint scheme, the plain red that has appeared on London Buses for many many years would be 100% better!!
Quote from: clayderman on September 11, 2015, 07:25:41 PM
Now. I'm not saying it's horrendous, but it's pretty damn ugly! What happened, ADL? Aesthetically, the front looks almost identical to the E200, and the side too reminiscent of the "New Routemaster". Of course, I assume it's only a mockup image, I hope they can re-evaluate the design a bit, to make it appear more like the current E400MMC... At the front at least. It won't be a "London exclusive" vehicle will it? Like the Wrightbus "Routemaster"?
It has been designed in collaboration with TfL, hence the similarity with the New RM 'look'.
I believe this will extend to the inside as well.
Found this on Flickr. I'm assuming it's mainly fictional, based on only ONE prototype CGI photo. :-\
Lts 1, 2, & 3 are currently being prepared for a return to servce on route 38, Victoria to Clapton Pond.
It seems that common sense is finally to prevail and the New Rotemasters (LTs) are to receive opening windows.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/new-routemasters-to-get-opening-windows-following-heat-complaints-tfl-announce-a2950441.html
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 18, 2015, 01:28:55 PM
It seems that common sense is finally to prevail and the New Rotemasters (LTs) are to receive opening windows.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/new-routemasters-to-get-opening-windows-following-heat-complaints-tfl-announce-a2950441.html
That is very good news. The bad news is all the money spent in designing and rectifying an expensive vehicle which wasn't fit for purpose, or that London Transport could afford to man as originally intended.
This is a rather embarassing climb-down for TfL as Leon Daniels has repeatedly insisted that problems with excessive heat inside the New RMs were exaggerated, and that it had conducted tests that 'proved' claims were wrong. However, the Evening Standard continues to peddle the false line that New RMs are air-conditioned, which would suggest that the writer has little understanding of the situation. They are not air-conditioned and were never planned to be.
I believe there may be an announcement of note regarding electric double-deckers for London within the next month.
The New Routemasters are becoming a thorny issue in London at the moment
Labour Mayoral Hopeful Sadiq Khan had said that if he is elected Mayor, he will suspend all orders for the New Routemaster until it is established as being value for money, sadly for him, all Routemasters on the current order will be delivered before the election.
Secondly the no windows issue, which is to be rectified at the cost of two millions pounds, strangely Leon has been very quiet since the news was announced.
Thirdly, it has been discovered that at the moment, Boris Johnson or the taxpayer do not own the rights to the design of the bus. That will only come when 1000 buses have been delivered, sadly with the current contract being only for 600 (plus 200 ordered later) and no prospect of a future order at the moment, the taxpayers of London may never own the rights for the buses that so much of there money has been spent on.
Fourthly, was in London yesterday and they seem to be still having trouble with the batteries, and only one of the numerous ones i rode on actually switched to battery power. May have been bad luck on my part, but these buses at the moment are not the environmentally friendly buses they were designed to be!!!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 20, 2015, 12:58:56 AM
The New Routemasters are becoming a thorny issue in London at the moment
Labour Mayoral Hopeful Sadiq Khan had said that if he is elected Mayor, he will suspend all orders for the New Routemaster until it is established as being value for money, sadly for him, all Routemasters on the current order will be delivered before the election.
Secondly the no windows issue, which is to be rectified at the cost of two millions pounds, strangely Leon has been very quiet since the news was announced.
Thirdly, it has been discovered that at the moment, Boris Johnson or the taxpayer do not own the rights to the design of the bus. That will only come when 1000 buses have been delivered, sadly with the current contract being only for 600 (plus 200 ordered later) and no prospect of a future order at the moment, the taxpayers of London may never own the rights for the buses that so much of there money has been spent on.
Fourthly, was in London yesterday and they seem to be still having trouble with the batteries, and only one of the numerous ones i rode on actually switched to battery power. May have been bad luck on my part, but these buses at the moment are not the environmentally friendly buses they were designed to be!!!
They all run on battery power, there cannot run direct off the diesel engine, I presume you mean they were permanently charging.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 20, 2015, 12:58:56 AM
Fourthly, was in London yesterday and they seem to be still having trouble with the batteries, and only one of the numerous ones i rode on actually switched to battery power. May have been bad luck on my part, but these buses at the moment are not the environmentally friendly buses they were designed to be!!!
It is clear that the New RM saga is not going quite to plan at the moment, and that the battery issues and climb-down on opening windows are highly embarassing for both TfL and Wrights. The appearance of the Enviro400H City could not have come at a worse time either, as ADL is making a lot of it being a cheaper alternative to the New RM.
But the battery and windows problems will be solved as they are relatively simple issues despite what the mainstream media like to point out (at the same time as often being without full posession of the facts, as shown by the Evening Standard article linked above). Additionally, the FOI figures for the New RM's fuel consumption, which Alan Millar in Buses got hold of, do prove it to be substantially more fuel efficient than the buses it has displaced - when it's working properly...
There was substantial testing of New RMs from each indivdual operator going on at Millbrook not long ago, which would suggest that some tweaking may also have happened/be in the works.
Quote from: barry619 on September 20, 2015, 12:21:47 PM
It is clear that the New RM saga is not going quite to plan at the moment, and that the battery issues and climb-down on opening windows are highly embarassing for both TfL and Wrights. The appearance of the Enviro400H City could not have come at a worse time either, as ADL is making a lot of it being a cheaper alternative to the New RM.
But the battery and windows problems will be solved as they are relatively simple issues despite what the mainstream media like to point out (at the same time as often being without full posession of the facts, as shown by the Evening Standard article linked above). Additionally, the FOI figures for the New RM's fuel consumption, which Alan Millar in Buses got hold of, do prove it to be substantially more fuel efficient than the buses it has displaced - when it's working properly...
There was substantial testing of New RMs from each indivdual operator going on at Millbrook not long ago, which would suggest that some tweaking may also have happened/be in the works.
IMO, it is a very embarrasing saga all together.
Boris made a speech when the NRM was launched saying that London was getting back it's open platform doors, strangely only a limited number of services run in crew mode. Saturdays & Sundays it is only one service, the 11. I went on the 11 yesterday and the whole bus was far more comfortable temperature wise with the rear door open. Sadly if anything, I can see the number of crew operated services decreasing, after all it must be costing TFL a fortune for somebody to stand at the back door to say hello and remind people to touch in with there Oyster cards. TFL have a major advertising campaign at the moment saying that they do not make a profit, but reinvest any surplus money into the transport network.
Also now, most new NRMs are supplied with a modification meaning that it can't operate with the rear door open, so crew operation is impossible. Makes you wonder if this modification will be fitted to the rest of the fleet.
With Sadiq Khan for Labour and Caroline Pidgeon for the Lib Dems in the mayoral election both having serious concerns about these buses, what will be the future if one of them wins, mmmm Watch This Space.
The use of conductors was always as much of a politics gesture as the New RM itself. The various problems aside, it is an excellent vehicle, but for what one costs, so it should be. Nevertheless, the age-old thing of London needing its own bespoke bus returned to the fore, and mainstream hybrid products from ADL and Volvo would have worked equally well as the New RM and at substantially less cost.
Regardless of future Mayoral policy, I think they are destined to remain in service fir a long tine yet. Were they to be withdrawn like the artics, TfL would have a huge amount if money tied up in assets with little second-hand value and that would be a major political headache.
Quote from: barry619 on September 20, 2015, 06:45:38 PM
The use of conductors was always as much of a politics gesture as the New RM itself. The various problems aside, it is an excellent vehicle, but for what one costs, so it should be. Nevertheless, the age-old thing of London needing its own bespoke bus returned to the fore, and mainstream hybrid products from ADL and Volvo would have worked equally well as the New RM and at substantially less cost.
Regardless of future Mayoral policy, I think they are destined to remain in service fir a long tine yet. Were they to be withdrawn like the artics, TfL would have a huge amount if money tied up in assets with little second-hand value and that would be a major political headache.
Oh they will survive, I understand that in the purchase price is included a mid life overhaul, but there role within London I think will change. Whether the new Mayor would stop using crew operation on all routes is debatable, making people redundant wouldn't go down to well with people.
Just passed a go ahead London gemini 3 on trade places at Bassett pole a38
Quote from: Steveminor on September 28, 2015, 06:43:17 PM
Just passed a go ahead London gemini 3 on trade places at Bassett pole a38
There are quite a few of these on the 119 Bromley North to Croydon - taking the service over - strangely I've got used to the quirky front design after a couple of weeks - I watched one glide through the traffic in Croydon yesterday evening and my view of the front is now one of chiselled jaw manful ruggedness rather than plain fugly!! The shiny red certainly suits the design (it looks a bit more orangey than normal) and the use of black around the windows extending around the back of the bus looks great. I have also started to get used to the side proportions which seem to be based on the MCW Orion design - however the short wheelbase and long overhang gives the buses a very ungainly look when they approach downhill over traffic calming ramps - a sort of an airliner taking off stance.
The lower case font on the black and white roller blinds is illegible in daylight conditions so hopefully the RNIB will be complaining to TfL that their new retro blinds are disability discriminative.
These buses have the go ahead London logo in yellow rather than Metrobus on the ones they've replaced and although they have London style three letter type code as part of the fleet number, they have a Metrobus series fleet number above the fuel filler!!
Quote from: barry619 on September 13, 2015, 12:40:12 PM
It has been designed in collaboration with TfL, hence the similarity with the New RM 'look'.
I believe this will extend to the inside as well.
TfL has a lot to answer for as a result of this new Routemaster vanity project:-
1) A bus designed to fit a need which doesn't exist
2) Committing vast public expense to commissioning a new designed vehicle unnecessarily - the old Routemaster took many years to become reliable and was probably a silly and unnecessary expense even back then
3) The design appears to be based on an artistic vision rather than practical reality - it's as if someone who knows nothing about buses or even quirky London buses has looked at a set of pictures of an NS; a Metropolitan; a Routemaster interior and incredibly, the side view of an XA/XF. (London had 58 in total!!) The front upper deck is pure Northern Counties Fleetline (as fitted to early Walsall ones).
4) Unsurprisingly, the engineering details are coming home to roost - I have the utmost respect for Wrights but I suspect much of the nonsense has been imposed on them by the beaurocracy and pet ideas of TfL
What's more the pity is that, as with many generations of public transport, London being the largest buyer, some of these quirky and quite honestly stupid ideas impact on the whole industry and country. For example white on black blinds - ok at night -vastly inferior in daylight, font for font unless they are LED. The proportions of the MCW Orion body disappeared with the 60s - they tended to produce a rather oppressive atmosphere lacking light - all swept away later by deeper windows giving a much lighter and airy feel. One has only to compare a BCT with a WMPTE Fleetline to see - I don't buy any of the practical reasoning (less sun gain - marginal at the least; lighter weight - well why are weight conscious car manufacturers marketing cars with longer glazed roof areas?) - the real reason is the artists who designed the new Routemaster chose those proportions, Wrights have transferred it to Gemini 3 (presumably for production economy) and TfL have to justify the NBFL so support the idea. What about the poor old bus passenger in this?
Boris is a shrewd political operator who has made a public image of appearing an affable buffoon upper class twit - the Londoners love him - and probably still would even if he started world war 3. As an enthusiast I quite like the NBFL as part of the London street scape. I suspect that as long as a bus is red, has two decks is relatively quiet and comfortable then 9.5 out of ten people wouldn't know the difference between an E400 a Gemini 3 or a NBFL.
Many people have long thought LT and its successor TfL to be overweight beurocracies - that they can occasionally resemble the Ministry for Bloody Daft Ideas is rather a shame - that they get foisted on the rest of the populace is a major issue.
M6 Coleshill 12ish
2 Arriva London Borismasters with Trade Plates passed towards rugby direction
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on September 29, 2015, 01:41:12 PM
M6 Coleshill 12ish
2 Arriva London Borismasters with Trade Plates passed towards rugby direction
Numerous ones were noted at Heysham over the weekend, they are due to go to Arriva for the 149.
Better than the CGI mockup; still a distressing mess. Here's the E400H City:
https://flic.kr/p/yZeTTe
Quote from: clayderman on September 30, 2015, 04:00:02 PM
Better than the CGI mockup; still a distressing mess. Here's the E400H City:
https://flic.kr/p/yZeTTe
A 'distressing mess', then. I presume you've had a look at it in the flesh to make that judgement?
Quote from: barry619 on October 01, 2015, 08:08:07 PM
A 'distressing mess', then. I presume you've had a look at it in the flesh to make that judgement?
I don't see why he shouldn't pass an opinion without having seen it in the flesh. I've never seen Susan Boyle in the flesh but I can say with absolute confidence that I wouldn't want to sleep with her.
It is all about opinions, IMHO that looks rather smart and will fit in with the route masters
Quote from: Mike K on October 02, 2015, 07:07:02 AM
I don't see why he shouldn't pass an opinion without having seen it in the flesh. I've never seen Susan Boyle in the flesh but I can say with absolute confidence that I wouldn't want to sleep with her.
It's more the use of the word 'distressing' that is the absurd part of what he has to say. It is not 'distressing', and nor is any bus ever designed, unless you happen to be of questionable emotional state. It's a lump of metal, plastic, glass and rubber, nothing more.
Couple of bits of news from London
"The Wrightbus "New Bus for London" model type has been changed. Initially, the model was "New Bus for London" and the
model type was "NBFL", as stamped on the body plate by Wrightbus. These are now referred to as "Generation-1" and
applies to all buses up to LT516***. From there onwards, the buses have a modified rear door and are referred to as
"Generation-2", with the model now being "New Routemaster" and the model type being "NRM" as stamped on the body
plate by Wrightbus. The Genaration-2 models are now registered officially as "New Routemaster" on the registration
documents and this is all separate to the name plates affixed to the rear staircase."
Metroline Route 390 is currently operating with several VWs each day to allow battery changes to take place!
Been in London today, was on VH18 around 16:30 on the 13 towards Aldwych, always thought the B5LHs were reliable, but the bus ground to a halt in Finchley Road, driver said he had lost the steering.
LT592 was parked outside ATS in Lichfield(Eastern Avenue ) at 1.30 today .
Quote from: tphi12000 on October 11, 2015, 07:57:25 PM
LT592 was parked outside ATS in Lichfield(Eastern Avenue ) at 1.30 today .
Another of the ones going to Arriva London at Tottenham for the 149!
The BYD electric 'decker is at Busworld in Kortrijk as booked. It has received the green 'leaves' adornments of the other electric buses already in London, is blinded for the 98s and carried fleetnumber BYD1471.
TFL have been examining the options available for running a bus service on Xmas Day
http://content.tfl.gov.uk/stp-20151022-part-1-item13-christmas-day-bus-services.pdf
Quote from: Tomf1993 on October 20, 2015, 09:02:48 PM
Battersea is huge they have space, they have stored E200s TA DART RM and the rest of the junk will have to move out though. plus BC is being rebuilt. bus garages always look bigger then they are. Stu have you see GAL Q at night lol their buses are all lined up down camberwell station road and out on to camberwell new road its funny lol no cars can pass down station road. all garages have this run in problems
@Tomf1993 Will move this conversation into this thread!
Haven't seen Q at night, but have seen BN and that is bad enough, buses absolutely everywhere. Even parked in the bus stops on the opposite side of the road and meaning you have to be careful that the night bus doesn't fly past you in the middle of the night!
Thank you for your common sense
@Stuharris 6360
Quote from: Tony on October 20, 2015, 09:14:22 PM
You really are posting some rubbish tonight
the 159 will run from QB its been confirmed by the schedules department at Abellio, its Beddington BC which is being rebuilt. QB does have plenty of space as far as I know coaches are only allowed during day bit able allowed at night with extra fees, Tony when you at QB next can you PM me a list of the RM TA DARTS E200 and stuff stored their ? its all owned by Abellio bar the RMs. most those buses stored at waiting sale etc the TA see used on RR work as do the green bus TA darts are just stored.
Quote from: Tomf1993 on October 20, 2015, 09:33:16 PM
the 159 will run from QB its been confirmed by the schedules department at Abellio, its Beddington BC which is being rebuilt. QB does have plenty of space as far as I know coaches are only allowed during day bit able allowed at night with extra fees, Tony when you at QB next can you PM me a list of the RM TA DARTS E200 and stuff stored their ? its all owned by Abellio bar the RMs. most those buses stored at waiting sale etc the TA see used on RR work as do the green bus TA darts are just stored.
@Tomf1993 we have a page for discussion of London buses, garages etc, it's here
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2354.0
BN is a joke, it was worse then the 109 was their, BN dont have the space for half their buses, Half are put into the old tram shed and ten of the 59s are parked at Norwood with some buses out on the N109/N159, the garage now is generally full so godknows what they did with when the 109 was their , when the 159 goes the 133/417 will move to BN Ive been told.
Im sure WA have the same issue with their run in but they have quite a long road for the run in, WA has loads of buses in between 1800-2100 - more then half the WA PVR is in by 2100 hours very interesting
Quote from: Tomf1993 on October 20, 2015, 09:40:19 PM
BN is a joke, it was worse then the 109 was their, BN dont have the space for half their buses, Half are put into the old tram shed and ten of the 59s are parked at Norwood with some buses out on the N109/N159, the garage now is generally full so godknows what they did with when the 109 was their , when the 159 goes the 133/417 will move to BN Ive been told.
Im sure WA have the same issue with their run in but they have quite a long road for the run in, WA has loads of buses in between 1800-2100 - more then half the WA PVR is in by 2100 hours very interesting
Yes the 159 going should free up some space at BN, Brixton Hill is used as an outstation for the 59 & 319, presunably because they now use HVs although Norwood still provides 10 vehicles for the 59 Monday to Friday.
Stu is 109s 159s 137s which run out the tram shed aswell, once TFL FOI get their act togeather about the WTTS you can see what exact run nos are from N and BN TRAM SHED mate
A reminder that there is a stile on the DLR tomorrow & Wednesday.
Extra buses will operate on routes D8, 115, 474, 277, D7, 147 & 473 during both rush hours.
Of interest, one routemaster will operate on route 115 and 6 Routemasters are booked to operate on the 277.
GoAhead operated a special Routemaster on route 37 today to mark the centenary anniversary of the first female bus conductor (who worked on the 37)!
TFL are now starting to publish full bus working timetables at the following address.
Not all services are loaded yet.
https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publications-and-reports/bus-schedules
https://picasaweb.google.com/102679402976168488477/URBAINLONDRESTransportForLondon#
Interesting design. Not the best if i'm honest - the bodywork reminds me a LOT of the 12M Duple-Metsec bodied Dennis Trident, whereas the rear's upper window is reminiscent of the Asia Pacific version of the E400...
Quote from: clayderman on November 19, 2015, 09:01:51 PM
https://picasaweb.google.com/102679402976168488477/URBAINLONDRESTransportForLondon#
Interesting design. Not the best if i'm honest - the bodywork reminds me a LOT of the 12M Duple-Metsec bodied Dennis Trident, whereas the rear's upper window is reminiscent of the Asia Pacific version of the E400...
Yes, not quite my cup of tea either.
Metroline are to trial 5 of them on the 6 and 98.
I wouldn't say it's the best but it's better looking then all the crap that keeps appearing on the road nowadays.
I'm sorry but that is bloody ugly
I personally quite like this.
I think the BYD double decker has pushed bus design back by 30 years. I can imagine just how people felt when the DMS was introduced afters years of curves and stylish designs.
Quote from: Gareth on November 20, 2015, 12:34:26 PM
I think the BYD double decker has pushed bus design back by 30 years. I can imagine just how people felt when the DMS was introduced afters years of curves and stylish designs.
I agree. Truly hideous. The sort of vehicle styling that wouldn't look out of place in India.
Quote from: Mike K on November 20, 2015, 06:45:55 PM
I agree. Truly hideous. The sort of vehicle styling that wouldn't look out of place in India.
Hardly surprising though is it? The various grizzling about what it looks like is the (sadly normal) missing of the point by certain members of the enthusiast fraternity. The five for London are concept vehicles, they are not production models. They will exist to demonstrate that BYD has (or has not, as the case may be) the technology to produce an electric double-decker chassis which will last the course, and nothing more. What they look like is meaningless. Why would anyone with any kind of business head invest serious money into the styling of a bus which is just a proof-of-concept vehicle and will number only five units?
Any production examples will be bodied by ADL. The five Chinese-bodied examples will do a few years' work and then one will end up in the LT Museum Collection and the other four will be scrapped, I am sure. The build quality of the body will see to that.
I fully take your point about these being pre production models and for the purposes of evaluation, yes, aesthetics are to a large extent irrelevant. But styling as dreadful and dated as that is bound to generate comment, and not just amongst the enthusiast community. People are merely passing comment on the looks of these first models, not considering the wider picture.
They're still friggin' ugly.
A windscreen that has throwbacks to the Mancunian!
Lets hope Zac Goldsmith doesn't become Mayor of London
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-zac-goldsmith-scrap-bus-6868407
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 23, 2015, 02:21:03 PM
Lets hope Zac Goldsmith doesn't become Mayor of London
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-zac-goldsmith-scrap-bus-6868407
Yeah great, lets encourage more people to buy electric cars because then we'll end up with even more cars gridlocking the roads! Nice idea! :D
Is it known what route the Enviro400H City's are for with Arriva?
78 (Nunhead–Bermondsey–Aldgate–Shoreditch)
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 23, 2015, 02:21:03 PM
Lets hope Zac Goldsmith doesn't become Mayor of London
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-zac-goldsmith-scrap-bus-6868407
That is potentially one of the most idiotic, ill-thought out plans from an out-of-touch public schoolboy politician imaginable.
I wonder how good the London Franchising system will be without TfL's £700m subsidy?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/25/spending-review-transport-deepest-budget-cut?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Facebook
Quote from: Tony on November 26, 2015, 08:48:39 AM
I wonder how good the London Franchising system will be without TfL's £700m subsidy?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/25/spending-review-transport-deepest-budget-cut?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Facebook
Very bad decision IMHO, surely this will drive more car usage and even more crowded roads in London.
Quote from: Tony on November 26, 2015, 08:48:39 AM
I wonder how good the London Franchising system will be without TfL's £700m subsidy?
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/25/spending-review-transport-deepest-budget-cut?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Facebook
Very, very interesting indeed! Bizarre that transport has seen such big cuts in this statement. It brings into question how long BSOG and the Free Travel Scheme have got left, mind you, both have been cut back and back and back, better to just scrap both so bus operators are immune from further cuts/independent so politicians can't make the case for re-regulation. It begs the question where the money would ever come from to re-regulate, plus recompensate operators for commercial losses as a direct consequence! By doing so, buses also become more influenced by local budgets and politics which is swings and roundabouts, a commercial or parternship area eg WM is far more immune from this!
I'd like to think it was the beginning of the end for London franchising or at least it increases TfL efficiency, no messing about with gimmicks now. I reckon it'd be simpler and cheaper to allow operators to run whatever they feel is viable without any subsidy/involvement at all, then tender out on net cost the (very few!) bits operators wouldn't want. I've always thought London's transport system is good but it seems bureaucratic and lacking any commercial incentive, I'd argue Edinburgh/Manchester/Birmingham/other large areas have the same quality as London, maybe buses not as new but quality improved in other areas, eg leather seats/wifi/change given/more seating than on London buses you just don't get in London. This is also being delivered at a fraction of the cost...
The future for transport is never ever franchising or subsidies, it's using commercial knowledge, innovation and knowledge of what passengers want to deliver high quality, commercial services free from interference, tailored to demand that exists out there on the street not on a civil servant's modelled system of transport. Cutting subsidies helps efficiency and might enable an accurate comparison to be made between regulated and deregulated when both are actually on the same, more level field of what money they get.
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 26, 2015, 11:59:19 AMI reckon it'd be simpler and cheaper to allow operators to run whatever they feel is viable without any subsidy/involvement at all, then tender out on net cost the (very few!) bits operators wouldn't want.
The reason that this has not happened, nor will ever happen, is that it would trigger a bunfight which would make the worst competitive excesses of the post-deregulation years look tame.
A lot money could be saved if TfLs slavish dictats that buses start and finish from both ends at the same time, which results in buses and their drivers undertaking totally pointless journeys first thing in the morning and late at night when negligible numbers of passengers are carried. Brought to my attention by drivers who feel they are regularly wasting their time.
Quote from: barry619 on November 26, 2015, 04:26:13 PM
The reason that this has not happened, nor will ever happen, is that it would trigger a bunfight which would make the worst competitive excesses of the post-deregulation years look tame.
Competition is always good for passengers though, if it led to lower fares, perhaps route specific returns and quality incentives then that would only be a good thing. Competition, rarely excessive, no one should have any issue with provided it's not being paid for by the public purse, which it wouldn't be!
TFL at it again, how long before you can't pay a taxi fare in cash!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34928601
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 26, 2015, 09:15:34 PM
TFL at it again, how long before you can't pay a taxi fare in cash!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-34928601
Yet more TfL inteference....
Quote from: DiamondDart on November 26, 2015, 07:43:29 PM
Competition is always good for passengers though, if it led to lower fares, perhaps route specific returns and quality incentives then that would only be a good thing. Competition, rarely excessive, no one should have any issue with provided it's not being paid for by the public purse, which it wouldn't be!
OK, so if it's such a good idea and would save lots of money why hasn't TfL implemented it?
The answer is that because it would lead to Oxford Street-esque bus jams throughout the capital as all and sundry chased passengers, coupled with the inevitable drop in standards with the removal of most effective regulation. It is just not happening, ever.
Quote from: countryliner on November 28, 2015, 04:04:22 PM
I see that the Optare Metrocity EV demonstrator (100% fully electric vehicle) - YJ65 EOV - is currently be demonstrated with Go Ahead London on the route 108 service. I am guessing that this bus will probably get demonstrated with other operators in London and the UK as well.
Arriva & London United already have there own small fleets of them & have had 12months
Quote from: countryliner on November 28, 2015, 04:04:22 PM
I see that the Optare Metrocity EV demonstrator (100% fully electric vehicle) - YJ65 EOV - is currently be demonstrated with Go Ahead London on the route 108 service. I am guessing that this bus will probably get demonstrated with other operators in London and the UK as well.
Putting electric buses on the 108s would make sense, if that's the intention. The existing stock on there is a variety of sometimes very care-worn old junk, and I imagine that air quality in Blackwall Tunnel is very poor (and breathed in by many, given the state of traffic throug there), which the use of electric buses would go a small way to mitigating.
TfL launch team to cracking down on congestion
https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2015/november/test1
Quote from: JoNi on November 30, 2015, 07:18:17 PM
TfL launch team to cracking down on congestion
https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2015/november/test1
Lol, another waste of tax payers money.
Don't know if anybody is in London tomorrow, but RM 903 will be operating extra journeys on the 139.
Timetable attached.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/motoring/motoring-news/watch-bus-solihull-confuses-londoners-10565895
London Bus going to Solihull as part of a Land Rover Video.
Quote from: Adam 404 on December 08, 2015, 06:55:58 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/motoring/motoring-news/watch-bus-solihull-confuses-londoners-10565895
London Bus going to Solihull as part of a Land Rover Video.
A little ironic that the bus was not a genuine London bus, but one new to Birmingham based Rotala!
The following TfL contracts have been announced today:
Tranche 527
72 re-awarded to London United with new Euro VI battery hybrid double decks (subject to removal of weight restriction on Hammersmith Bridge) PVR 18, start date 3 September 2016
Tranche 531
148 (24 hour) re-awarded to London United with existing Euro 5 New Routemaster, PVR 25, start date 1 October 2016
156 re-awarded to Abellio London with Existing Euro V diesel double decks, PVR 17. Start date 10 September 2016
690 re-awarded to Arriva London South with Existing Euro III + SCRT and Euro V diesel double deck. PVR 0 - one bus from 133 allocation and one bus from 176 allocation. Start date 3 September 2016
Tranche 533
137/N137 re-awarded to Arriva London South with Existing Euro V New Routemaster double deck. N137 operated by Euro VI hybrids from 319 allocation. PVR 31, start date 17 September 2016
160 re-awarded to Arriva Kent Thameside with existing Euro V diesel double deck. PVR 12, Start date 17 September 2016
199/N199 re-awarded to Stagecoach Selkent with Existing Euro V diesel and three new Euro VI diesel double deck, PVR 12. N199 allocation battery hybrid taken from day routes 47, 54 & 75. Start date 17 September 2016.
381/N381 re-awarded to Abellio London with existing Euro V battery hybrid double deck vehicles currently allocated to routes 3& 211. PVR 19, start date 8 October 2016.
660 awarded to Arriva Kent Thameside (currently Stagecoach Selkent) with one double deck from 492 allocation. Start date 17 September 2016
P13 re-awarded to Abellio London with existing Euro V plus five new Euro VI single decks, PVR 11. Start date 8 October 2016.
Sampled a couple of the new Enviro 400 City today.
Open airy and vastly better than Borismaster, well done ADL
Great view out the front, Cumfy seats, next stop info including "there will be a slight delay while the drivers change over at the next stop", don't get that on Platinum in Deritend! https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/b07aYh
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/Hi4q6a
Be nice to have some in the West Midlands with local moquette.
http://www.dezeen.com/2015/10/15/heatherwick-new-routemaster-london-bus-copying-enviro400h-alexander-dennis-limited/
Quote from: JoNi on December 17, 2015, 08:51:34 PM
Sampled a couple of the new Enviro 400 City today.
Open airy and vastly better than Borismaster, well done ADL
Great view out the front, Cumfy seats, next stop info including "there will be a slight delay while the drivers change over at the next stop", don't get that on Platinum in Deritend! https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/b07aYh
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/Hi4q6a
Be nice to have some in the West Midlands with local moquette.
What routes are they used on? Need to go have me a sample
At the moment it's only the 78 Shoreditch-Nunhead
Seems TFL are asking for finance for another 30 New Routemasters to be ordered with delivery by September 2016
http://content.tfl.gov.uk/fpc-160121-item13-p1-new-routemasters.pdf
I believe that it won't just be London where you will be able to ride a City Enviro400 before too much longer and that an announcement about the next customer has either been made or will be in this week's trade press. Rumour has it that it's a real 'out of the left field' buyer.
Quote from: barry619 on January 18, 2016, 06:53:30 PM
I believe that it won't just be London where you will be able to ride a City Enviro400 before too much longer and that an announcement about the next customer has either been made or will be in this week's trade press. Rumour has it that it's a real 'out of the left field' buyer.
Blackpool Transport for route 9. Just read it on the Buses Facebook page
As there isn't a thread for Blackpool Transport (and i'm not starting a topic just for this)
Yes, Blackpool Transport are the first operator outside London to order Enviro 400 City's. They are for service 9 (Blackpool-Cleevley's and will be part of the premium 'Palladium' brand.
Article Here:
https://m.facebook.com/busesmagazine/photos/a.862897400394097.1073741827.778598075490697/1241160252567808/?type=3&theater
Quote from: Nathan on January 19, 2016, 06:11:34 PM
Are there any Enviro 400 City's due on delivery? Maybe @Stuharris 6360 knows?
I ask as there is a photo on flickr of an Arriva London Enviro 400 City on trade plates parked in Blackpool Transport's yard (presumably for full evaluation/training etc)
The Enviro 400 City visited Blackpool Transport on the 12th October last year, my mate who worked for Blackpool Transport at the time sent me a few pics when it was in the yard, think he had a nosy round it and was quite impressed. Is it from then, or has another one paid a visit since then prior to theirs being delivered?
In terms of Arriva London, HA1-19 are already in the process of entering service at I believe Ash Grove, all but HA16 and 19 may now be in service on the 78.
Quote from: Cheese on January 19, 2016, 08:15:27 PM
The Enviro 400 City visited Blackpool Transport on the 12th October last year, my mate who worked for Blackpool Transport at the time sent me a few pics when it was in the yard, think he had a nosy round it and was quite impressed. Is it from then, or has another one paid a visit since then prior to theirs being delivered?
In terms of Arriva London, HA1-19 are already in the process of entering service at I believe Ash Grove, all but HA16 and 19 may now be in service on the 78.
Oh right. Cheers for that info. I was sent a photo of it today. I hadn't been told when it was taken.
I have searched for it on Flickr myself. You are correct. My bad. It was taken on 12th October 2015.
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/7Xm643
Enviro 400 City HA7 seen at Finsbury Park tonight on 106 operating from Ash Grove, which also operates the 254 as well as the 78.
Quote from: Nathan on January 19, 2016, 06:11:34 PM
Are there any Enviro 400 City's due on delivery? Maybe @Stuharris 6360 knows?
I ask as there is a photo on flickr of an Arriva London Enviro 400 City on trade plates parked in Blackpool Transport's yard (presumably for full evaluation/training etc)
@Nathan As far as I am aware, there are no new orders for the Enviro City for London currently.
I think a lot will hang on who wins the London mayoral election as several of the candidates are keen to see no more New Routemasters purchased. Leon Daniels has already intimated that the Enviro City is the natural next step following on from the NRM and so I would expect orders to follow.
The 30 extra NRMs ordered are to keep the production lines going past May, but if as has been suggested, the new Major says no new NRMs to be ordered from TFL funds, then I doubt if operators will go for them under the tendering process and so the cheaper option of the City will be very appealing.
Presumably there will have to be some sort of float to cover for existing Borismasters being fitted with opening windows.
The new issue of BUSES magazine mentions LT806 has been built and is expected to enter service at Holloway for route 91. It retains twin staircase and three doors but is about 1m shorter.
Quote from: JoNi on January 19, 2016, 10:49:43 PM
Presumably there will have to be some sort of float to cover for existing Borismasters being fitted with opening windows.
That's an interesting question although i haven't seen anything about this mentioned, apart from the fact that they hope to have it completed by the summer. They will possibly also need some float buses because eventually all NRMs will require a mid life overhaul which was included in the purchase price.
The extra 30 NRMs are supposedly to fit in with the proposed route allocation of these vehicles better, however the proposal paper does seem to point to it being to keep both production lines open past May.
Quote from: Gareth on January 19, 2016, 11:00:34 PM
The new issue of BUSES magazine mentions LT806 has been built and is expected to enter service at Holloway for route 91. It retains twin staircase and three doors but is about 1m shorter.
Yes, it is to be tested on route 91 although the fleet number may be ST2001.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 19, 2016, 11:11:40 PM
Yes, it is to be tested on route 91 although the fleet number may be ST2001.
I can understand ST1, but 2001 is just random!
Quote from: Gareth on January 19, 2016, 11:19:23 PM
I can understand ST1, but 2001 is just random!
Your not the only one confused as there has been a big debate about it on the London Bus Forums. To be honest I would have thought they would just keep whatever number they were upto in deliveries, but just substitute ST for LT!
Does anyone know if there are any more E200MMC deliveries due? I saw two heading south on the M25 this afternoon with what looked like (from the very brief glance I got of them) London United spec interiors.
Quote from: Niall on January 21, 2016, 06:26:59 PM
Does anyone know if there are any more E200MMC deliveries due? I saw two heading south on the M25 this afternoon with what looked like (from the very brief glance I got of them) London United spec interiors.
@Niall Only ones I can find are these for Arriva:
New 9.7m Alexander Dennis B26F Enviro 200MMC single deckers, for the new contract commencing on
23/01/16 on route: B13 (New Eltham–Days Lane–Blendon–Upton–Bexleyheath). UW: 7407kgs.
These buses have just started to be delivered, so will phase into service following preparation.
Teacher Inset Day today. Had a grand idea for a spontaneous trip to London...Had (not so much) fun navigating around the tedious Underground network; a bit fun, won't lie... :P Visited the LT Museum, and just had a great time in general.
I finally did get to sample a Borismaster (on the 137), and an E400H City - and in my opinion, I prefer the New Routemasters... Didn't catch the fleet number of the Routemaster, but I do believe the E400H I rode was 'HA7'. The Enviro 400H City just seemed to squeak and rattle so much for a *relatively* new bus, compared to the New Routemasters, which I actually like the design of. If you'd ask me, this is a prime example of why many of us favour Wrightbus over ADL.
Borismasters are due to operate on a Rail Replacement Service between Dalston Kingsland and Shadwell on Saturday (and possibly Sunday) 13/14 Feb. There should be 4 from AR and 2 from BN on Saturday. They may also appear on Sunday, but other buses would be available then, so not guaranteed. A route survey has apparently been undertaken round tight corners at Shadwell!
A paper proposing the purchase of 195 additional New Routemasters will go before the TfL Board in public on 3
February 2016. The Board is asked to approve additional unbudgeted Financial, Project and Procurement
Authority for the purchase of up to 195 additional New Routemaster (NRM) buses. This is an increase to the
current project scope. Authority is also sought for iBus and ticketing equipment, and normal mid-life
refurbishment and related matters necessary for the operation of these additional NRMs. On 21 January 2016,
the Finance and Policy Committee considered a similar paper, which recommended the purchase of 30 NRMs.
The Committee requested an option for the purchase of a further 165 NRMs to also be considered by the Board.
This follows a previous statement made in September 2015 that TfL had no plans to order any more NRMs.
However, in January 2016, two statements have been made, firstly to seek approval to order 30 more and now
to seek approval order an additional 165. The additional 195 buses will take the total ordered to 1000.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 29, 2016, 08:16:51 PM
A paper proposing the purchase of 195 additional New Routemasters will go before the TfL Board in public on 3
February 2016. ........................
The order was approved and, if the newspaper article below is accurate, they could well be the very last ones to be purchased. It seems that a change of mindset is occurring in London in an attempt to reduce TfL costs (and not before time).
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/davehillblog/2016/feb/03/london-mayor-cut-price-deal-could-signal-end-of-boris-bus
LT691 for Abellio noted passing through the West Midlands on the M6 this morning.
Boris has been to Wrights to seal the deal for the 195 more Borismasters at the cut price of 319 grand per bus! Video on ITV news channel!
LT62 has now returned to London after it's accident onn 22/09/13, and is currently at BX being prepared for service.
Current thought is that it has been transferred to London Central and operate from Q on the 12!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 05, 2016, 07:56:44 PM
LT62 has now returned to London after it's accident onn 22/09/13, and is currently at BX being prepared for service.
Current thought is that it has been transferred to London Central and operate from Q on the 12!
Blimey, that was insanely long!
Quote from: Ronnoc on March 05, 2016, 08:23:50 PM
Blimey, that was insanely long!
From what i heard, it had to be returned Wrightbus and was subject to legal arguments and at one time was to be written off.
ADL have taken another London order for the E400H City but I do not know from which operator yet. There is also a launch of something new from Wrightbus next week, which I believe to be its response to the City.
I think the route that's getting some Enviro 400H city's is the 26 Waterloo-Hackney Wick. Not sure which company that is.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on March 11, 2016, 06:27:27 PM
I think the route that's getting some Enviro 400H city's is the 26 Waterloo-Hackney Wick. Not sure which company that is.
Tower Transit, right?
Yes Tower Transit
@clayderman . Saw it on the LOTS website but couldn't remember the company until I just checked!
http://www.londonbusroutes.net/changes.htm
Robert Munsters London Bus Routes site has a wealth of information.
Recent changes section states the 26 was taken over by CT Plus in early February initially using vehicles on loan from Tower Transit.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on March 11, 2016, 06:27:27 PM
I think the route that's getting some Enviro 400H city's is the 26 Waterloo-Hackney Wick. Not sure which company that is.
Indeed, from the link posted you are correct.
Just photographed some smart looking 16 plate Abellio E200MMCs
Wrights' surprise launch is a Volvo hybrid chassis with a two-door New RM body on it apparently.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/worlds-first-electric-doubledecker-bus-ready-to-hit-londons-roads-a3204151.html
Quote from: Adam 404 on March 16, 2016, 04:21:03 PM
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/worlds-first-electric-doubledecker-bus-ready-to-hit-londons-roads-a3204151.html
and another New Routemaster fault
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35823815
Credit to the photographer; here, the photos of the SRM - Not too sure how I feel about this... Conflicted is the only word that comes to mind. Aesthetically, the rear is shocking. Asymmetric, and reminiscent of the bulkiness of the early/interim Gemini 3 rear methinks. ::) Shame about a lack of the rear window - although somehow, I think this would've contributed to the *already* unattractive appearance of this bus.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/46341292@N05/25213962283/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/46341292@N05/25719606552/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/46341292@N05/25745442661/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/46341292@N05/25814500846/
Quote from: clayderman on March 16, 2016, 09:01:30 PM
Credit to the photographer; here, the photos of the SRM - Not too sure how I feel about this... Conflicted is the only word that comes to mind. Aesthetically, the rear is shocking. Asymmetric, and reminiscent of the bulkiness of the early/interim Gemini 3 rear methinks. ::) Shame about a lack of the rear window - although somehow, I think this would've contributed to the *already* unattractive appearance of this bus.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/46341292@N05/25213962283/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/46341292@N05/25719606552/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/46341292@N05/25745442661/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/46341292@N05/25814500846/
Reminiscent of the Alexander bodied Fleetlines operated by Midland Red. Which were new around 45 to 50 years ago.
For those interested in New Bus For London route conversions, here is the latest news.
Route 59 is currently in the middle of conversion with just 2 buses left to be delivered, next will be route 91, then 211 and finally 189. Add on 4 buses which are a PVR top up for route 16 and that will be all buses from the initial order delivered, 811 in all. News on the following 200 from the new order when i get info through.
Back from there world tour, LT1 & 2 are being used on route 38.
An article in the Evening Standard on route numbers in response to an email to TfL.
http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/this-is-how-each-london-bus-route-got-its-number-a3235356.html
I suspect the person from TfL who sent the reply was not having a busy day.
Received from a reliable source
CA is Customer Assistant!
The first three opo LTs for the 91 are going to HT tonight, so should be on the 91 tomorrow (they could of course appear on the 24 or 390 instead as those routes do not use CAs at weekends). This will not include the ST, which is still awaiting the relevant paperwork to be sent from N Ireland, so cannot be taxed yet. The first three BYDs should appear on the 98 late next week, will give more details when confirmed, as postponed several times already. Normally just one bus will be on the route at a time, with the other charging, and one spare (only one charging point so far, so impossible to run more than one bus working as a BYD until more are installed). The buses can probably do about three round trips before needing a 4 hour charging period, but will only be scheduled to do two rounders just in case.
Quote from: JoNi on April 29, 2016, 08:29:26 PM
Received from a reliable source
CA is Customer Assistant!
The first three BYDs should appear on the 98 late next week, will give more details when confirmed, as postponed several times already. Normally just one bus will be on the route at a time, with the other charging, and one spare (only one charging point so far, so impossible to run more than one bus working as a BYD until more are installed). The buses can probably do about three round trips before needing a 4 hour charging period, but will only be scheduled to do two rounders just in case.
I would assume the charging point is at Willesden garage then-somewhere I applied for a conductor's job in 1996!
Quote from: markcf83 on April 29, 2016, 09:15:16 PM
I would assume the charging point is at Willesden garage then-somewhere I applied for a conductor's job in 1996!
The CAs are totally different from Conductors, just guarding the rear platform on the routes that have them, will have to see what the new London Mayor says about there future.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 22, 2016, 10:37:11 PM
@Niall Only ones I can find are these for Arriva:
New 9.7m Alexander Dennis B26F Enviro 200MMC single deckers, for the new contract commencing on
23/01/16 on route: B13 (New Eltham–Days Lane–Blendon–Upton–Bexleyheath). UW: 7407kgs.
These buses have just started to be delivered, so will phase into service following preparation.
it's my first post so be gentle :)
if it's the same bus, i drove one of these just the other week, a brilliant bus, blighted by some dash gremlins if you let it auto stop and then don't isolate it but a much better layout than the previous buses i've been used to driving
the same type of vehicle is going to be used on the E5 in a few weeks, albeit a slightly shorter version
Quote from: dojj on May 12, 2016, 07:59:15 PM
the same type of vehicle is going to be used on the E5 in a few weeks, albeit a slightly shorter version
If Abellio have ordered the same length of bus for the E5 as the 367,which they picture up from Metrobus in March,they will be the very short wheelbase variety.
Quote from: markcf83 on May 13, 2016, 11:35:36 PM
If Abellio have ordered the same length of bus for the E5 as the 367,which they picture up from Metrobus in March,they will be the very short wheelbase variety.
New 9.0m Alexander Dennis E20D B24F Enviro 200MMC for the new contract, taken over from Metroline,
commencing on 28/05/16 on route:
E5: (Toplocks-Havelock Estate-Southall-Dormer's Wells-Greenford-Perivale).
UW: 7220kgs.
Most of these buses are now in store at Hayes Garage.
8142 - YX16ODK ® 04/16, body no: F2A8/1, chassis no: SFD9L1ER8GGY15512
8143 - YX16ODL ® 04/16, body no: F2A8/2, chassis no: SFD9L1ER8GGY15513
8144 - YX16ODM ® 04/16, body no: F2A8/3, chassis no: SFD9L1ER8GGY15514
8145 - YX16ODN ® 04/16, body no: F2A8/4, chassis no: SFD9L1ER8GGY15515
8146 - YX16ODP ® 04/16, body no: F2A8/5, chassis no: SFD9L1ER8GGY15516
8147 - YX16ODR ® 04/16, body no: F2A8/6, chassis no: SFD9L1ER8GGY15518
8148 - YX16ODS ® 04/16, body no: F2A8/7, chassis no: SFD9L1ER8GGY15520
8149 - YX16ODT ® 04/16, body no: F2A8/8, chassis no: SFD9L1ER8GGY15532
8150 - YX16ODU ® 04/16, body no: F2A8/9, chassis no: SFD9L1ER8GGY15538
8151 - YX16ODV ® 04/16, body no: F2A8/10, chassis no: SFD9L1ER8GGY15539
8152 - YX16ODW ® 04/16, body no: F2A8/11, chassis no: SFD9L1ER8GGY15537
8153 - YX16OFA ® 04/16, body no: F2A8/12, chassis no: SFD9L1ER8GGY15535
8154 - YX16OFB ® 04/16, body no: F2A8/13, chassis no: SFD9L1ER8GGY15517
Quote from: JoNi on April 29, 2016, 08:29:26 PM
Received from a reliable source
CA is Customer Assistant!
The first three opo LTs for the 91 are going to HT tonight, so should be on the 91 tomorrow (they could of course appear on the 24 or 390 instead as those routes do not use CAs at weekends). This will not include the ST, which is still awaiting the relevant paperwork to be sent from N Ireland, so cannot be taxed yet. The first three BYDs should appear on the 98 late next week, will give more details when confirmed, as postponed several times already. Normally just one bus will be on the route at a time, with the other charging, and one spare (only one charging point so far, so impossible to run more than one bus working as a BYD until more are installed). The buses can probably do about three round trips before needing a 4 hour charging period, but will only be scheduled to do two rounders just in case.
ST812 is now operational on route 91.
Currently 3 BYDs are available, although BYD 1471 is showing on LVF as having an accident, 1472 hasn't been used since 10/05/16 and BYD 1473 has been used today. BYD 1475 has been delivered and is under going prep.
I have to say I was very impressed with the look of the Enviro 400 City I saw in London. They look better than the NB4L.
Quote from: Dutsey on May 16, 2016, 03:43:23 PM
I have to say I was very impressed with the look of the Enviro 400 City I saw in London. They look better than the NB4L.
Visited London on Saturday with my friend; I must say, I'd have to disagree.. Comparing the two, I feel as if the New Routemaster is far better, aesthetically, and in build quality. My experience with the E400H City was below par.. It rattles like a tin can in my opinion, whereas I find the Wrightbus build far more sturdier.. However, that's not to say the New Routemasters aren't without fault. My friend had commented that the large rear window makes her feel very exposed to the traffic behind, to which I agree.. Also the postitioning of some CCTVs, for instance, the one near the rear, upstairs, feels a bit invasive of my privacy..
Don't know if anybody will be in London tomorrow, but Shepherds Bush garage is having an open day between 10:00 and 16:00 featuring modern & vintage buses, vintage bus services, bus memorabilia stands, TFL & London bus museum stand and activities and guided tours of the workshop.
The address of the garage is
Wells Road
Shepherd's Bush
London
W12 8DA
For those interested in London Buses, the latest tender awards have been announced:-
Transport for London Bus Tender Awards – announced on 19/05/16
TRANCHE 548
Route 59 (Streatham Hill-Brixton-Kennington-Waterloo-Holborn-King's Cross):
Retained by Arriva London with existing fleet 2016 New Routemasters.
PVR+2 to 28. Contract commences on 28/01/17.
Awarded on the basis of continuing to use Arriva's Brixton Garage as its Streatham Hill stand.
The two additional New Routemasters required will be sourced from vehicles made available by the route 38 frequency reduction.
Route 133 (Streatham–Kennington–Elephant & Castle–London Bridge–Liverpool Street):
Route N133 (Morden–Mitcham–Streatham–Brixton-Kennington–London Bridge–Liverpool Street):
Retained by Arriva London with new Euro VI and 20 existing Euro V hybrid double deckers, currently allocated to route 76, which will be upgraded to Euro VI standard prior to the introduction of ULEZ.
PVR=32 (no change). A 33rd vehicle used in AM peak is crosslinked from route 333. Contract commences on 21/01/17.
Route 333 (Tooting Broadway-Streatham-Brixton-Stockwell-Kennington-Elephant & Castle):
Awarded to Arriva London (from London General), with new Euro VI hybrid double deckers. PVR+1 to 16. Contract commences on 21/01/17.
All the above routes are awarded as specified, subject to consultation where appropriate.
Come across some photos on Flickr of the first of the BYD E200 MMCs..
[Not my own, obviously] - they don't look half bad, if i'm honest!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122507681@N02/26530802444/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122507681@N02/27136690905/
Good bye!
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/ripoff-pedicab-drivers-to-be-forced-off-londons-roads-under-new-crackdown-a3257191.html :)
Quote from: JoNi on May 26, 2016, 06:57:01 PM
Good bye!
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/ripoff-pedicab-drivers-to-be-forced-off-londons-roads-under-new-crackdown-a3257191.html :)
It's about time to, think they own the road, can charge what they want, cycle at night without lights, surprised nobody has been killed by one!
This may be a silly question, but curious to know... Whatever happened to Go-Ahead London's V6? (BF63 HFE or BJ14 KTL) ???
Quote from: clayderman on June 01, 2016, 10:38:09 AM
This may be a silly question, but curious to know... Whatever happened to Go-Ahead London's V6? (BF63 HFE or BJ14 KTL) ???
Both returned to Volvo
I photographed BJ14 KTL at Volvo, Coventry 4/15
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 20, 2016, 08:54:08 PM
Route 133 (Streatham–Kennington–Elephant & Castle–London Bridge–Liverpool Street):
Route N133 (Morden–Mitcham–Streatham–Brixton-Kennington–London Bridge–Liverpool Street):
Retained by Arriva London with new Euro VI and 20 existing Euro V hybrid double deckers, currently allocated to route 76, which will be upgraded to Euro VI standard prior to the introduction of ULEZ.
PVR=32 (no change). A 33rd vehicle used in AM peak is crosslinked from route 333. Contract commences on 21/01/17.
Route 333 (Tooting Broadway-Streatham-Brixton-Stockwell-Kennington-Elephant & Castle):
Awarded to Arriva London (from London General), with new Euro VI hybrid double deckers. PVR+1 to 16. Contract commences on 21/01/17.
Some of the Enviros currently used on the 133 are to be transferred to work the 157 which Arriva London have won from Abellio. This change is to begin in December of this year. No news yet of which garage is to run it but Norwood has room after recent losses and is close to the terminus at Crystal Palace.
Consultation on conversion of Tottenham Court Road two way for buses. A map saves a thousand words!
https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/tottenham-court-road
Abellio need to sharpen their pencil on their tenders.... They have lost a number of large Pvr routes of late, the latest being the 235 from Twickenham to Metroline.
TfL always look at the bigger picture, and it keeps operators on their toes!
New Routemaster News:
Conversion of route 211 is now complete with the last bus entering service on 15/06/16.
Several of the New Routemasters for Metroline route 189 have already been delivered, some of which were
planned to enter service from Monday 21 June. However, a route survey carried out this week by TfL revealed
that the recent changes made to Brent Cross Bus Station has made the terminal unsuitable for these buses.
Whether further alterations will be made or the buses allocated to another route remains to be seen.
News is also awaited for the further 200 New Routemasters that were purchased earlier this year.
Just seen first Borismaster fitted with opening side windows LT764 hardly notice them unless you looked. Sliders to prevent passengers from banging their heads!
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/W49Lx9
Quote from: JoNi on June 23, 2016, 06:37:16 PM
Just seen first Borismaster fitted with opening side windows LT764 hardly notice them unless you looked. Sliders to prevent passengers from banging their heads!
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/W49Lx9
I've just photographed 787 that hasn't got them.
News that emerged yesterday in regard of tender results. Firstly the 76,currently run by Arriva London from Tottenham is to be run by GoAhead London using the unpopular Roastmasters-as described by other people. This will begin on the 28th of January next year. Moving the other way,on the 25th of March,is the 259. Routes 10-London United(V),89/N89-GoAhead London(BX) and 476-GoAhead London(NP) all remain where they currently are.
Didn't take long for this to happen,
http://www.mayorwatch.co.uk/funding-cuts-see-new-routemaster-conductors-axed/
Just saw that on the local London news, not sure what value they actually add anyway
Quote from: monkeyjoe on July 11, 2016, 06:50:46 PM
Just saw that on the local London news, not sure what value they actually add anyway
Apart from allowing the rear door to stay open and people being able to jump on and off at leisure, nothing.
However as all three doors will remain in operation still, it just means they will be similar to the Bendis, great for those who fancy a free journey.
Perhaps the outstanding NRMs should be built to the shorter length without the rear doors and stairs, i.e. a true son of Routemaster with NRM mechanical and electrical components.
Quote from: Tiptonian on July 12, 2016, 12:42:15 AM
Perhaps the outstanding NRMs should be built to the shorter length without the rear doors and stairs, i.e. a true son of Routemaster with NRM mechanical and electrical components.
It's not known yet what the remaining NRMs on order will be or what routes they will operate on.
There are still problems at Brent Cross bus station which means that LTs cannot operate on route 189 at the moment, buses for the route are entering service but on other already converted routes at the moment.
Last date for Customer Assistant operation is reported to be Friday 2nd September.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 12, 2016, 01:52:01 PM
It's not known yet what the remaining NRMs on order will be or what routes they will operate on.
There are still problems at Brent Cross bus station which means that LTs cannot operate on route 189 at the moment, buses for the route are entering service but on other already converted routes at the moment.
Last date for Customer Assistant operation is reported to be Friday 2nd September.
See further up this page for one route that will be getting them in January next year. I posted it.
Only two additional routes to get LTs have announced (apart from Metroline's 189 which is currently being converted to LT slowly) and they are:
Go Ahead's London Central's 21 at New Cross (PVR x27) (the new contract starts on 08/10/16)
&
76 which will transfer from Arriva London North to Go Ahead London General at Northumberland Park when the new contract starts on 28/01/17 (PVR x25).
Quote from: Ian Hardy on July 12, 2016, 08:53:09 PM
Only two additional routes to get LTs have announced (apart from Metroline's 189 which is currently being converted to LT slowly) and they are:
Go Ahead's London Central's 21 at New Cross (PVR x27) (the new contract starts on 08/10/16)
&
76 which will transfer from Arriva London North to Go Ahead London General at Northumberland Park when the new contract starts on 28/01/17 (PVR x25).
From LOTs Website
"At present LTs are suspended from the 189 whilst modifications to the stand arrangements at Brent Cross take place. "
Transport for London Bus Tender Awards – announced on 13/07/16
TRANCHE 542
Route 436 (Lewisham-Peckham-Camberwell-Vauxhall-Battersea Park)
Retained by Go Ahead, London Central, with 2011 Euro V hybrid double deckers.
PVR-10 to 21 plus 1 crosslinked from route 63 in the PM peak. Contract commences on 19/11/16.
This route is awarded as specified, subject to consultation, incorporating the restructure to terminate at Battersea Park instead of Paddington.
Tranche 532 has been published, the 42 & 108 stay with London Central.
Both routes listed above are awarded as specified, subject to consultation where appropriate. Route 42 is converted to double deck operation and extended from Denmark Hill to East Dulwich, Sainsbury's. Route 108 is rerouted between Poplar and Stratford via Violet Road, Carpenters Road and Stratford City Bus Station to terminate at Stratford International Station.
Rerouting of the 42,and if my memory is correct the 108 also,is due very soon. I also understand the 108 will gain a number of the Citaros which will be available once the electric Red Arrows enter service,which also is not very far away. They would need some extra seats installed first.....
New Volvo B5LH Gemini 3 buses have started to be introduced onto the 13 today.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 19, 2016, 04:52:36 PM
New Volvo B5LH Gemini 3 buses have started to be introduced onto the 13 today.
In theory the latest Volvos are for the 183 but liable to be seen on other Edgware routes i.e. 292 and 114-the latter only until September.
Ex Arriva VLW5 which I rode through the Merseyside tunnel on yesterday! It was easier to see out of than it looks!
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/j7a9d6
TfL intends to enter into the following contracts:
48 awarded to Arriva London North (currently Stagecoach East London) with new Euro VI double deck, PVR 22. Start date 25 February 2017
58 re-awarded to Tower Transit with 2010 Euro V diesel double deck including 3 new Euro VI hybrids, PVR 17. Start date 4 March 2017
97 re-awarded to Stagecoach East London with 2009 Euro IV diesel double deck, PVR 22. Start date 4 March 2017
215 re-awarded to Stagecoach East London with 2011 Euro V diesel double deck, PVR 5. Start date 4 March 2017
242 (24 hour) re-awarded to Arriva London North with Euro VI hybrid double deck, PVR 20. Start date 25 February 2017
273 re-awarded to Stagecoach Selkent with new Euro VI diesel single deck, PVR 9. Start date 14 January 2017
277 (24 hour) re-awarded to Stagecoach East London with 20 new Euro VI hybrid double deck and 5 2011 Euro V diesels. PVR 25. Start date 25 February.
325 re-awarded to Arriva London North with 2010 diesel Euro V diesel single deck, PVR 12. Start date 4 March 2017
380 re-awarded to Stagecoach Selkent with new Euro VI single deck, PVR 14. Start date 21 January 2017
388 re-awarded to CT Plus with new Euro VI double deck, PVR 15. Start date 21 January 2017.
EL1 re-awarded to Blue Triangle with new Euro VI New Routemaster, PVR 17. Start date18 February 2017
EL2 re-awarded to Blue Triangle with new Euro VI New Routemaster, PVR 15. Start date 18 February 2017
EL3 awarded to Blue Triangle (currently Stagecoach East London) with new Euro VI New Routemaster, PVR 14. Start date 18 February.
Quote from: markcf83 on July 19, 2016, 07:01:27 PM
In theory the latest Volvos are for the 183 but liable to be seen on other Edgware routes i.e. 292 and 114-the latter only until September.
This batch was purchased by London United to be used on route 94, however they have started to enter service on the 13. But it's gets complicated as several of the buses which were used on the 13 have now been used on the 94!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 30, 2016, 03:05:03 PM
TfL intends to enter into the following contracts:
48 awarded to Arriva London North (currently Stagecoach East London) with new Euro VI double deck, PVR 22. Start date 25 February 2017
58 re-awarded to Tower Transit with 2010 Euro V diesel double deck including 3 new Euro VI hybrids, PVR 17. Start date 4 March 2017
97 re-awarded to Stagecoach East London with 2009 Euro IV diesel double deck, PVR 22. Start date 4 March 2017
215 re-awarded to Stagecoach East London with 2011 Euro V diesel double deck, PVR 5. Start date 4 March 2017
242 (24 hour) re-awarded to Arriva London North with Euro VI hybrid double deck, PVR 20. Start date 25 February 2017
273 re-awarded to Stagecoach Selkent with new Euro VI diesel single deck, PVR 9. Start date 14 January 2017
277 (24 hour) re-awarded to Stagecoach East London with 20 new Euro VI hybrid double deck and 5 2011 Euro V diesels. PVR 25. Start date 25 February.
325 re-awarded to Arriva London North with 2010 diesel Euro V diesel single deck, PVR 12. Start date 4 March 2017
380 re-awarded to Stagecoach Selkent with new Euro VI single deck, PVR 14. Start date 21 January 2017
388 re-awarded to CT Plus with new Euro VI double deck, PVR 15. Start date 21 January 2017.
EL1 re-awarded to Blue Triangle with new Euro VI New Routemaster, PVR 17. Start date18 February 2017
EL2 re-awarded to Blue Triangle with new Euro VI New Routemaster, PVR 15. Start date 18 February 2017
EL3 awarded to Blue Triangle (currently Stagecoach East London) with new Euro VI New Routemaster, PVR 14. Start date 18 February.
The EL3 is currently the 387,by the way. I'd expect Ash Grove to run the 48 given it's on the line of route. This should purge some of the older buses in Arriva London,GoAhead London and Stagecoach London too.
Quote from: markcf83 on July 30, 2016, 03:15:36 PM
The EL3 is currently the 387,by the way. I'd expect Ash Grove to run the 48 given it's on the line of route. This should purge some of the older buses in Arriva London,GoAhead London and Stagecoach London too.
The 48 is rumoured to be converted to NRM, but that is not confirmed yet!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 30, 2016, 03:33:23 PM
The 48 is rumoured to be converted to NRM, but that is not confirmed yet!
Not a rumour. It's definitely happening and from the date of the change of operator.
@markcf83 and anybody else interested, tfl have brought forward new proposals for Routes 13, 82, 113, 139 and 189
https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/routes-13-82-113-139-189
basically very similar to the last lot of proposals, however instead of withdrawing the 13, they want to witrhdraw the 82.
Thanks for that Stu. I'll have a look at this during the week.
Is 14 & 29 now a borris master service I recall 38 was the first borris master service.
Quote from: Solo1 on July 31, 2016, 11:58:36 PM
Is 14 & 29 now a borris master service I recall 38 was the first borris master service.
No and no. The former isn't suitable because of a lack of space within Putney Garage,the latter only recently received Hybrids.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37031646
I saw one of these on Sunday night and wondered what it was and if it was a service bus. One on the back of a bus in Lewisham could have prevented spending nearly half an hour in a traffic jam approaching Elephant (recently remodelled by TfL) at 22:10 the same evening!
For fans of RM and RTs, Essex contract 339, Epping, North Weald, Ongar, Brentwood and Shenfield on Sundays is operated by these vehicles owned by London Buses Ltd.
This is partly the Epping and Ongar Railway service, but also carries 'normal' passengers. Runs through some lovely Essex countryside!
Route W9,currently run by Metroline,has been won by Sullivan Buses to start in early February next year. Sullivan retained the 298 which was also announced today and will start its new contract on the same day.
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on August 10, 2016, 05:34:11 PM
For fans of RM and RTs, Essex contract 339, Epping, North Weald, Ongar, Brentwood and Shenfield on Sundays is operated by these vehicles owned by London Buses Ltd.
This is partly the Epping and Ongar Railway service, but also carries 'normal' passengers. Runs through some lovely Essex countryside!
It is actually operated commercially by the London Bus Company (LBC) (not London Buses Ltd) under contract to the EOR <http://www.thelondonbuscompany.co.uk/>. The LBC is owned by Roger Wright who also owns the EOR, which he bought after he sold the TfL operations of Blue Triangle to Go Ahead (which included the name Blue Triangle so Roger formed the LBC for his heritage operation). The 339 also runs on Saturdays as well <http://eorailway.co.uk/your-visit/timetables-and-fares/>
H All. Not too clued up about "London Buses" so can anyone say why I observed MHV 60/65 heading north on the M5 by J5 yesterday lunchtime ?? Both un-registered / on trade plates. Thanks in advance. Andrew. :)
Quote from: B61 ANDREW on August 16, 2016, 11:51:19 AM
H All. Not too clued up about "London Buses" so can anyone say why I observed MHV 60/65 heading north on the M5 by J5 yesterday lunchtime ?? Both un-registered / on trade plates. Thanks in advance. Andrew. :)
They would have been on delivery to London
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on August 16, 2016, 03:18:47 PM
They would have been on delivery to London
Yes, Go Ahead London Volvo B5TL MCV Evoseti , don't know which garage they are for
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 16, 2016, 08:19:21 PM
Yes, Go Ahead London Volvo B5TL MCV Evoseti , don't know which garage they are for
They are Volvo B5LH as they are hybrids
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on August 16, 2016, 08:20:20 PM
They are Volvo B5LH as they are hybrids
All new London Buses must be Hybrid!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 16, 2016, 08:32:02 PM
All new London Buses must be Hybrid!
It seems that way yes!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 16, 2016, 08:19:21 PM
Yes, Go Ahead London Volvo B5TL MCV Evoseti , don't know which garage they are for
Given that Camberwell has retained the 185-and remember they already operate the type on routes 35 and 40-I wouldn't be surprised if they are to get any of them. From memory they have another sixty of them coming.
The new MHV's are for the 63 from Peckham & the 185 from Camberwell.
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on August 16, 2016, 03:18:47 PM
They would have been on delivery to London
I can go along with that but would not the M4 be a more direct route ?? It would appear that on Monday I saw another [ex] "London Bus " in the shape of KN52NDU , now used by Bristol Television and Film Services. :)
Quote from: B61 ANDREW on August 16, 2016, 10:00:40 PM
I can go along with that but would not the M4 be a more direct route ?? It would appear that on Monday I saw another [ex] "London Bus " in the shape of KN52NDU , now used by Bristol Television and Film Services. :)
Yes it would be more direct. Not sure what they were doing then
SRM 'public' service debut; credit to photographer
LJ16 EXD
https://www.flickr.com/photos/111014148@N06/29037730671/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/111014148@N06/28493475234/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/111014148@N06/29082516976/
Latest Tender Results
Routes 2 & N2: Retained by Arriva London, with new Euro VI hybrid double deckers. Contract commences on 01/04/17. PVR=26.
Routes 19 & N19: Awarded to Arriva London South (currently Go Ahead, London General), with new Euro VI hybrid double deckers. Contract commences on 01/04/17. PVR=28.
Route 249: : Awarded to Arriva London South (currently Go Ahead, London General), with new Euro VI hybrid double deckers. Contract commences on 01/04/17. PVR=13.
Route 455: Awarded to Abellio London (currently Go Ahead, Metrobus), with 2011 Euro V diesel single deckers. Contract commences on 04/03/17. PVR=11.
Routes 624 & 658: Retained by Go Ahead, London Central, with 2010/11 Euro V diesel double deckers. Contract commences on 31/12/16. PVR=4.
Route 625: Retained by Go Ahead, London Central, with 2010 Euro V diesel double deckers. Contract commences on 31/12/16. PVR=2.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 25, 2016, 06:18:07 PM
Latest Tender Results
Route 455: Awarded to Abellio London (currently Go Ahead, Metrobus), with 2011 Euro V diesel single deckers. Contract commences on 04/03/17. PVR=11.
The 455 award is the wrong way around, Abellio have lost the route to Metrobus
Whoops !
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 25, 2016, 06:18:07 PM
Latest Tender Results
Route 455: Awarded to Abellio London (currently Go Ahead, Metrobus), with 2011 Euro V diesel single deckers. Contract commences on 04/03/17. PVR=11.
This is likely to see the Enviro midibuses that currently operate on the D8-which is getting double deckers at some point imminently or fairly soon.
There's a batch of ex Abellio 2009 E400's currently for sale at Ensign Bus with NX spec interiors i.e. grey dot
http://www.ensignbus.com/2009-enviro-400s.html
Quote from: Winston on August 26, 2016, 12:36:00 AM
There's a batch of ex Abellio 2009 E400's currently for sale at Ensign Bus with NX spec interiors i.e. grey dot
http://www.ensignbus.com/2009-enviro-400s.html
I've heard rumours that Arriva are interested in most,if not all,of them as Cadet replacements at Garston. Remember they took the Stagecoach examples that were sent back off lease recently and which are slowly entering service.
Go Ahead Londons BYD/E200MMCs entered service yesterday on the Red Arrows with all of SEe5/7/9 working for the first time. Today SEe4 came out for the first time on the 521 being joined by SEe5/9 and SEe7 worked on the 507 today. Will put some photo links later when I have uploaded them.
Having now been on a wholly built BYD and a ADL bodied one I can say I prefer the new ADL version. In my opinion, the wholly BYD built one looked too foreign and didn't feel like a London bus. The only problem I have with the new ones is the wheels are a bit too big and don't sit on the ADL body as well
Quote from: markcf83 on August 26, 2016, 10:26:24 AM
I've heard rumours that Arriva are interested in most,if not all,of them as Cadet replacements at Garston. Remember they took the Stagecoach examples that were sent back off lease recently and which are slowly entering service.
Sorry Mark, bit out of the game here, just out of curiosity which ex Stagecoach examples were they? Thank You
Quote from: jc on August 31, 2016, 07:41:22 PM
Sorry Mark, bit out of the game here, just out of curiosity which ex Stagecoach examples were they? Thank You
Glad I'm not the only one baffled by that
Tranche 554
82 (becoming 24 hour, see note below) - awarded to Tower Transit (currently Metroline) with new Euro VI hybrid double deck. PVR 31 (currently 25). Start date 1 April 2017
113 - re-awarded to Metroline with new hybrid double deck, PVR 28 (currently 18) - 22 Euro V vehicles built 2013 plus 9 additional hybrids, details to be confirmed (includes 3 spares).
Routes 82 and 113/N113 are awarded as specified including the changes proposed as part of the inner north west London network review - 113 to Oxford Circus and 82 renumbered 13, subject to the outcome of consultation
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 31, 2016, 08:57:00 PM
Tranche 554
82 (becoming 24 hour, see note below) - awarded to Tower Transit (currently Metroline) with new Euro VI hybrid double deck. PVR 31 (currently 25). Start date 1 April 2017
113 - re-awarded to Metroline with new hybrid double deck, PVR 28 (currently 18) - 22 Euro V vehicles built 2013 plus 9 additional hybrids, details to be confirmed (includes 3 spares).
Routes 82 and 113/N113 are awarded as specified including the changes proposed as part of the inner north west London network review - 113 to Oxford Circus and 82 renumbered 13, subject to the outcome of consultation
I would imagine the Enviros delivered in 2013 for the 82-as is now-will be running the bulk of the 113 at Edgware. That is a hell of a loss for Metroline and Potters Bar in particular who've run the route since Finchley closed in December 1993. Presumably Westbourne Park will run it given its location to Victoria.
Tranches 555 & 556
The following TfL contracts have been awarded:
308 re-awarded to Tower Transit with new Euro VI hybrid double deck, PVR 13. Start date: 4 March 2017
309 Re-awarded to CT Plus with 2012 Euro V diesel singe deck + one new Euro VI diesel, PVR 9. Start date 4 March 2017
W11 awarded to CT Plus (currently Arriva London North) with new Euro VI diesel single deck, PVR 10. Start date 4 March 2017
W12 re-awarded to CT Plus with 2010 Euro V diesel single deck, PVR 7. Start date 4 March 2017
W13 re-awarded to CT Plus with new Euro VI diesel single deck, PVR 7. Start date 11 March 2017
W14 re-awarded to Tower Transit with 2012 Euro V diesel single deck + one 2010 Euro V diesel double deck, PVR 10. Start date 25 February 2017
W15 re-awarded to Tower Transit with 2012 Euro V diesel single deck, PVR 21. Start date 4 March 2017
W16 awarded to CT Plus (currently London General) with new Euro VI diesel single deck, PVR 9. Start date 4 March 2017.
Route W11 is rerouted between Forest Road and Walthamstow via Blackhorse Road and St James Street. The frequency is increased on Sunday evenings to match weekday evenings.
Route W16 has a frequency increase during Sunday shopping hours.
Route 308 is converted to full double deck operation and the additional peak hour journeys are withdrawn.
The following TfL contract has been awarded today:
360 re-awarded to London Central with new electric single deck, PVR 12. Start date 21 January 2017. From the start of the contract existing hybrid buses will be used with fully electric buses taking over during October 2017.
Quote from: jc on August 31, 2016, 07:41:22 PM
Sorry Mark, bit out of the game here, just out of curiosity which ex Stagecoach examples were they? Thank You
No problem. They were at Barking as 36268 to 279. Arriva,being them,haven't numbered them consecutively.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
101 Stagecoach East London Blue Triangle 12 2010 Euro V diesel double deck
167 Blue Triangle Stagecoach East London TBC New Euro VI diesel single deck
238 (24h) Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 12 2012 Euro V diesel double deck
362 Blue Triangle Stagecoach East London 3 New Euro VI diesel single deck
379 Arriva London North London General 2 Diesel single deck (details TBC)
397 Arriva London North CT Plus 6 New Euro VI diesel single deck
462 Blue Triangle Stagecoach East London 8 New Euro VI diesel single deck
549 Docklands Buses Stagecoach East London 1 New Euro VI diesel single deck
667 Blue Triangle Blue Triangle 2 2009 Euro IV diesel double deck
677 new route Stagecoach East London TBC 2012 Euro V diesel double deck
678 Arriva London North Stagecoach East London 4 2012 Euro V diesel double deck
R1 Metrobus Metrobus 6 2011 Euro V diesel single deck
R2 Metrobus Metrobus 3 Diesel single deck (details TBC)
R3 Metrobus Metrobus 7 2011 Euro V diesel single deck
R4 Metrobus Metrobus 6 Diesel single deck (details TBC)
R6 Metrobus Metrobus 2 Diesel single deck (details TBC)
R8 Metrobus Metrobus 2 New Euro VI diesel single deck
R11 Metrobus Metrobus 9 Diesel single deck (details TBC)
Contracts will commence on the following dates:
4th March 2017: Routes 101 & 238.
11th March 2017: Routes 167, 362, 379, 397, 549, 667 & 677.
25th March 2017: Route 462.
1st April 2017: Routes 678, R1, R2, R3, R4, R6, R8 & R11.
(a) Routes R1 & R3 will use buses currently allocated to routes R1 & R4.
(b) Route 101 will use buses currently allocated to routes EL1 & EL2.
(c) Route 238 will use the current bus allocation plus two buses from route 101.
(d) Route 667 will use the current bus allocation.
(e) Routes 677 & 678 will use buses currently allocated to route 101.
All the above routes are awarded as specified, subject to consultation where appropriate. Please note the following:
Route R1 is rerouted via Tower Road. Monday to Saturday daytime frequency reduced to 3bph.
Route R2 is withdrawn between Petts Wood and Orpington (replaced by R3).
Route R3 is withdrawn between Chelsfield and Orpington (replaced by extension of R7) and rerouted via Amherst Drive. Monday to Saturday daytime frequency increased to 3bph, evening and Sunday frequency increased to 2bph.
Route R11 will no longer serve Sidcup Tesco. Monday to Saturday daytime frequency increased to 5bph, evening and Sunday frequency increased to 3bph.
Route 167 is awarded on the basis of withdrawing the section of route between Loughton and Debden. New route 677 provides a replacement facility for school movements.
Routes 362 & the 549 are awarded on the basis of widened headways at peak (362) or all day (549).
While on 146 in Downe a female boarded and said "Single to Bromley please". Driver said we don't take money any more. Lad behind with Oyster said I can wave and pay so after swiping his card the female was able to travel after giving lad her fare.
Latest New Routemaster News:
Routemasters are at last beginning to appear on route 189 after the problems with Brent Cross Bus Station have been solved.
The next route to be converted is the 253 and most have been buses have been delivered, however they are currently stored awaiting oyster readers (oyster readers have been out of stock for the last two months). Spare Routemasters from route 73 are however being used on the 253 when available.
London Central route 21 will follow the 253.
Been confirmed that the 254 will get the Borismasters next year. Metroline have lost the 217 to Sullivan's but have held onto the U1,U2,U3 and U4.
there was a Go Ahead Boris Routemaster on the Wolverhampton Road about 11:30pm heading towards the Birchley Island.
Consultation to reduce buses on Oxford Street by 50%
https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/west-end-bus-changes/
This seems the only appropriate thread for this; the SRM (Son of Routemaster) is reffered to as the Volvo B5LHC on the Volvo Buses website.
http://www.volvobuses.co.uk/en-gb/our-offering/buses/volvo-B5LHC/specifications.html#
Specifications also state that there's a single door variant, which did take me aback.
Quote from: clayderman on November 27, 2016, 06:22:59 PM
This seems the only appropriate thread for this; the SRM (Son of Routemaster) is reffered to as the Volvo B5LHC on the Volvo Buses website.
http://www.volvobuses.co.uk/en-gb/our-offering/buses/volvo-B5LHC/specifications.html#
Specifications also state that there's a single door variant, which did take me aback.
The Volvo B5LHC is the electric version which has overhead charging but a normal hybrid version is mounted on a regular Volvo B5LH chassis
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on November 27, 2016, 07:25:21 PM
The Volvo B5LHC is the electric version which has overhead charging but a normal hybrid version is mounted on a regular Volvo B5LH chassis
Oh right.
Some very hot off the press tender news. London United have lost the 120 to Metroline and have also gained route 70 from Tower Transit. They have held onto the C1,which serves Victoria Coach Station,presumably with existing buses. Abellio have retained the R68 & R70-both will get new midibuses. All of these are to start on 24 June 2017 bar the C1,which will begin its new contract the following week.
Quote from: markcf83 on December 02, 2016, 08:36:55 PM
Some very hot off the press tender news. London United have lost the 120 to Metroline and have also gained route 70 from Tower Transit. They have held onto the C1,which serves Victoria Coach Station,presumably with existing buses. Abellio have retained the R68 & R70-both will get new midibuses. All of these are to start on 24 June 2017 bar the C1,which will begin its new contract the following week.
Buses for routes 70 and C1 have yet to be confirmed
@markcf83.
That is true. I know they held the 110 at Hounslow and I understand that is getting new Enviros. London United are waiting on the weight restriction on Hammersmith Bridge to be lifted to enable route 72 to get double deck buses. When that will happen is anyone's guess....
This is the vehicle London Mayor Sadiq Khan was posing with in the press last week
https://cbwmagazine.com/the-right-technology-for-wrights/
Borismasters are beginning to enter service on New Cross route 21,which links Lewisham and Newington Green. LT854 was the first to do so and LT849 has done so this afternoon. The Volvo's currently allocated are being sent to other garages in South East London to replace older PVL's and VWL's at Belvedere and Bexleyheath.
The following TfL contracts have been awarded:
17 re-awarded to Metroline with new Euro VI hybrid double deck, PVR 19. Start date 22 July
186 re-awarded to Metroline with 2009 Euro IV diesel double deck, PVR 17. Start date 22 July
382 awarded to Metroline (currently Arriva London North) with 2012 Euro V diesel single deck, PVR 9. Start date15 July
384 re-awarded to Metroline with 2012 Euro V diesel single deck, PVR 5. Start date 22 July
613 re-awarded to London United with 2008 Euro IV diesel double deck, PVR 1. Start date 29 July (or first school day)
662 re-awarded to London United with 2008 Euro IV diesel double deck, PVR 1. Start date 29 July (or first school day)
665 re-awarded to London United with 2009 Euro IV diesel single deck, PVR 1. Start date 29 July (or first school day)
671 re-awarded to London United with 2008 Euro IV diesel single deck, PVR 1. Start date 29 July (or first school day)
C11 re-awarded to Metroline with 2010 Euro V diesel single deck, PVR 20. Start date 22 July
W8 re-awarded to Metroline with 2008 Euro IV diesel double deck, PVR 15. Start date 22 July.
Metroline intend to use the 2012 Enviros going spare from the W9 to use on the 382,plus some other buses yet to be decided.
Attached is a copy of the 2018/9 tendering document for those who are interested.
Most helpful Stu. I'll download a copy from the TfL website this week at some point.
Minimum wage levels courtesy of Mayor Khan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-38389387
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
131 London United London General 21 2010 Euro V diesel double deck
411 Quality Line Quality Line 6 New Euro VI diesel single deck
465 Quality Line Quality Line tbc Single deck (details TBC)
605 London Sovereign Sullivan Buses 2 2009 Euro V diesel double deck
628/688 Sullivan Buses Sullivan Buses 6 2009 Euro V diesel double deck
632 Metroline Metroline 3 2009 Euro IV diesel double deck
653/683 Sullivan Buses Sullivan Buses 5 2009 Euro V diesel double deck
Contracts will commence on the following dates:
1st July 2017: Route 465.
2nd September 2017: Routes 605, 628/688 & 653/683.
30th September 2017: Routes 131 & 411.
14th October 2017: Route 632.
Re the 465-the rumour I've heard is that Mercedes Benz Citaros about to be displaced from the X26 are being considered for that route. And as for the 131-which passes Merton-I suspect it's to be run from there with something being moved out.
Interestingly, from 21/01/17, the 133 and 333 are both to be operated by Brixton garage. However the 137 will now be mainly operated by Norwood garage.
Considering the 137 starts from outside Brixton garage, it is an unusual move to make.
I agree. Mind you,before London General ran the 133 in 1990-when it was Liverpool Street to Tooting Broadway-it was run by Brixton then. Norwood running the bulk of the 137 would seem to be odd however they've outstationed Brixton based buses in relatively recent times and the Borismasters will no doubt continue to be maintained at Brixton.
Are the Routemasters continuing to operate on the 15H? And if so, how is this squared with DDA regulations?
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on January 17, 2017, 08:54:43 PM
Are the Routemasters continuing to operate on the 15H? And if so, how is this squared with DDA regulations?
You are allowed to apply to the DfT for exceptional services to use non-DDA vehicles. It is not easy to get an exemption certificate, but I would imagine if anyone was going to, it was TfL for Routemasters
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2017, 09:08:05 PM
You are allowed to apply to the DfT for exceptional services to use non-DDA vehicles. It is not easy to get an exemption certificate, but I would imagine if anyone was going to, it was TfL for Routemasters
Thanks for that...
Quote from: Tony on January 17, 2017, 09:08:05 PM
You are allowed to apply to the DfT for exceptional services to use non-DDA vehicles. It is not easy to get an exemption certificate, but I would imagine if anyone was going to, it was TfL for Routemasters
Am sure i read also
@Tony that the Routemasters are allowed because they are running additional journeys on an otherwise DDA compliant route, therefore it is allowed. If they were the sole buses on the 15, then it wouldn't be allowed.
Just one tender award out today, route 266 has been awarded to Metroline from Tower Transit using vehicles currently being used on routes 17 and 217.
"The route is awarded as specified, on the basis of maintaining the current route structure. Please note that the contract is awarded on a short term basis terminating no later than December 2019, to allow for restructuring of the route in connection with the opening of the Elizabeth Line"
Just spotted this myself. Presumably as it's Metroline West that were successful in winning the route it will be run from Willesden Junction garage,a short walk from Atlas Road where Tower have a base-and in respect of Tower they can make inroads into their 04 reg Volvos with the displacement of the newer buses.
Recall notice issued for NRM and NB4L
https://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/apps/recalls/searches/expand.asp?uniqueID=C13B6DE11823BC948025808E002E1B78&freeText=Blank&tx=
Thursday 9 February
The following TfL Contracts have been announced:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
50 Arriva London South Arriva London South 15 2010 Euro V hybrid double deck
66 Arriva London North Arriva London North 13 2009 Euro V diesel double deck
103 Stagecoach East London Arriva London North 14 2010 Euro V diesel double deck
130 Metrobus Abellio London 11 New Euro VI diesel single deck
150 Arriva London North Arriva London North 15 2010 Euro V diesel double deck
175 Stagecoach East London Arriva London North 12 2010 Euro V diesel double deck
194 Arriva London South Arriva London South 14 2010 Euro V diesel double deck
250* Arriva London South Arriva London South 24 2010 Euro V diesel double deck
255 Arriva London South Arriva London South 9 2012 Euro V diesel single deck
257 London General Stagecoach East London 16 2012 Euro V diesel double deck (a)
280 London General London General 14 2012 Euro V hybrid double deck
289 Arriva London South Arriva London South 12 2011 Euro V diesel single deck (b)
314 Stagecoach Selkent Stagecoach Selkent 12 2012 Euro V diesel single deck
341* Arriva London North Arriva London North 22 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
370 Arriva London North Arriva London North 11 2010 Euro V diesel double deck
410 Arriva London South Arriva London South 19 2012 Euro V diesel single deck (b)
621 Stagecoach Selkent Stagecoach Selkent 1 2012 Euro V diesel double deck
638 Stagecoach Selkent Stagecoach Selkent 6 2008 Euro IV diesel double deck
664 Stagecoach Selkent Stagecoach Selkent 2 2012 Euro V diesel double deck
* 24 hour routes.
(a) 7 vehicles allocated to route 257 will be new Euro VI hybrid.
(b) 3 vehicles allocated to route 289 and 8 allocated to route 410 will be new Euro VI diesel.
Contracts will commence on the following dates:
22nd July 2017: Route 280.
26th August 2017: Routes 50, 130, 194, 250, 255 & 410.
2nd September 2017: Routes 66, 289, 314, 638 & 664.
14th October 2017: Routes 103, 150, 175, 257, 341 & 621.
4th November 2017: Route 370.
Presumably the 130 will once again fill up space in the Abellio garage at Beddington Farm. Interesting to see that Arriva have won back,after twelve years,the 103 and won the 175-both currently Stagecoach London run. Losing the 103 is Rainham's first setback since opening. Presumably the Arriva successes is down to their retaining of the 341 which will add more Wright bodied Volvo's to Tottenham garage. We will have to wait and see how it transpires....
Quote from: markcf83 on February 09, 2017, 04:45:27 PM
Presumably the 130 will once again fill up space in the Abellio garage at Beddington Farm. Interesting to see that Arriva have won back,after twelve years,the 103 and won the 175-both currently Stagecoach London run. Losing the 103 is Rainham's first setback since opening. Presumably the Arriva successes is down to their retaining of the 341 which will add more Wright bodied Volvo's to Tottenham garage. We will have to wait and see how it transpires....
Isn't Beddington Farm still down a fair bit even with the 130 after losing the 152, 157 & 434?
A bit,yes. Don't forget they run the 109 & N109,plus the 407,433 and P13. There'll be room available for gains-and the Metrobus garage is literally just up the road from there.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
4 Metroline Metroline 19 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
210 Metroline Metroline 17 2010 Euro V diesel double deck
320 Metrobus Metrobus 12 2010/11/12 Euro V diesel double deck**
W7* Metroline Metroline 17 2012 Euro V diesel double deck
* Route W7 runs 24 hours at weekends.
** 7 vehicles allocated to route 320 will be Euro V hybrid.
Contracts will commence on the following dates:
19th August 2017: Route W7.
26th August 2017: Route 320.
23rd September 2017: Route 210.
30th September 2017: Route 4.
Some of the hybrids becoming available in the next few weeks after the loss of route 19 are believed to be earmarked for the 320. Holding on to route 4 should ensure the oldest Enviros at Holloway,possibly,and the remaining Plaxton bodied Volvos to be retired.
Go Ahead London has got 2 (maybe more) new Diesel Enviro 400 MMCs for their commercial fleet. The last new Diesel Double Deckers Go Ahead London bought were in 2014 also for the commercial fleet and in 2013 for the regular fleet showing how strict the emission rules are in London now. It is nice to see the commercial fleet has retained the London General with the grey skirt. For anyone who would like to see these, they are to be found on various Rail Replacements, Chelsea Flower Show Shuttles, Wimbledon Tennis Shuttles and probably on the service to Brighton.
Photo (not mine)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/swanswell/32802681240/in/photostream/
http://www.barkinganddagenhampost.co.uk/home/http_www_barkinganddagenhampost_co_uk_home_three_injured_as_bus_crashes_into_dagenham_tower_block_1_4911036_1_4911036
9th March 2017
LBSL intends to enter into the following contracts:
TRANCHE 580
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
243 (24hr) Arriva South Arriva South 32* New Euro VI hybrid double deck
TRANCHE 583
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
90 Metroline Metroline 16 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
222 (24hr) London United Metroline 17 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
TRANCHE 590
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
45 London Central Abellio 21 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
176 (24hr) Arriva South London Central 24 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
188 Abellio London Central 26 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
All the above routes are awarded as specified, subject to consultation where appropriate. Please note the following:
Route 45 is awarded on the basis of the Monday to Saturday daytime frequency reducing to 6 bph.
Route 176 is awarded on the basis of the Monday to Saturday daytime frequency reducing to 6 bph.
Route 188 is awarded on the basis of retaining the current 7.5 bph widened frequency during Monday to Friday peaks.
Route 243 is awarded on the basis of a revised specification reducing the AM peak frequency leaving Waterloo to 11 bph.
Given that news,I expect the 176 to return to Camberwell after twenty plus years,including a period when it was run from Walworth at the time that garage was under the control of London and Country-as London Country South West became known. Suspect also that New Cross will get the 188 given its proximity to Greenwich.
Quote from: markcf83 on March 09, 2017, 04:15:49 PM
Given that news,I expect the 176 to return to Camberwell after twenty plus years,including a period when it was run from Walworth at the time that garage was under the control of London and Country-as London Country South West became known. Suspect also that New Cross will get the 188 given its proximity to Greenwich.
Seems that several services are to get reductions in PVR, 222 (-4), 45 (-2), and 176 (-4).
Nice to see the 176 getting new buses. I use that regularly when staying in Waterloo. Handy to get back from the West End in the middle of the night after a few shandies.
90 is getting new buses one of my local routes better than the old 90 in my other home area
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 09, 2017, 06:52:27 PM
Seems that several services are to get reductions in PVR, 222 (-4), 45 (-2), and 176 (-4).
...no doubt paying for more of Sadiq Khan's vanity projects.....
Quote from: markcf83 on March 09, 2017, 08:05:13 PM
...no doubt paying for more of Sadiq Khan's vanity projects.....
Well he promised to keep fares frozen and introduce a hopper fare, it seems his plan for paying for them is to cut services.
Abellio still seem to be a bit hit & miss with their tender wins / losses of late.
The 188 was one of the first Tfl routes won by Travel London after the takeover of Connex
Quote from: Winston on March 09, 2017, 08:08:55 PM
Abellio still seem to be a bit hit & miss with their tender wins / losses of late.
The 188 was one of the first Tfl routes won by Travel London after the takeover of Connex
Consequently to that loss,they've gained the 45-which in LT days used to be run from Walworth.
Quote from: monkeyjoe on March 09, 2017, 07:58:48 PM
90 is getting new buses one of my local routes better than the old 90 in my other home area
The only nice route that goes Chemsley Wood from the City these days.
Interestingly, Tranche 576, which includes the 5, 15 and 115 which should have been awarded in December is still awaited?
Bits of others are also due. Which can only lead me to assume that they're all being held by the current operators.
https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/publications-and-reports/bus-fleet-data-and-audits
Noted HV277 on delivery along the Rugeley bypass this morning
Quote from: tphi12000 on March 21, 2017, 07:13:42 AM
Noted HV277 on delivery along the Rugeley bypass this morning
Due for Tottenham and route 19,which starts next week on April 1.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
5 Stagecoach Blue Triangle 30 New & Existing Deckers (a)
15/N15 Stagecoach Blue Triangle 23 New Routemaster (b)
115 Stagecoach Blue Triangle 18 New Euro VI buses
22/N22 London General London General 22 New & existing deckers (c)
18/N18 Metroline West London United 44 New & Existing Euro VI Deckers (d)
6 (24 hr) Metroline Metroline 24 New Euro VI buses
98/N98 Metroline Metroline 23 New Euro VI buses
(1) 11 new Euro VI hybrid plus 22 Euro V diesel built 2010/11 (ex routes 19, 249, 259, EL1 or EL2) for a TVR of 33.
(b) Current allocation.
(c) 14 new Euro VI hybrid plus 10 Euro V hybrid built 2012 (currently allocated) for a TVR of 24. The Euro V vehicles will be upgraded to Euro VI prior to the introduction of ULEZ.
(d) 37 new plus 12 vehicles built 2016, originally ordered for the proposed conversion of route 72 to double deck (TVR 49).
All the above routes are awarded as specified, subject to consultation where appropriate. Please note the following:
Route 5 is awarded on the basis of a revised specification withdrawing all additional peak journeys. The rerouteing via Queen's Hospital is postponed at the present time.
Route 6 is awarded on the basis of being rerouted via Park Lane and Piccadilly instead of Oxford Street and Regent Street. It will continue to terminate and stand at Metroline's Willesden Garage.
Route 15/N15 is awarded on the basis of a revised specification withdrawing all additional peak journeys and reducing the N15 frequency at weekends to 6 bph. The day service will terminate permanently at Trafalgar Square and the night service will be extended to Oxford Circus.
Route 22/N22 is awarded on the basis of being rerouted at Piccadilly via Berkeley Square to terminate at Oxford Circus instead of Piccadilly Circus (linked to proposed changes to route C2). Frequencies are reduced to 7.5 bph Monday to Saturday daytimes and 5 bph Sundays and all evenings. Peak frequency on Mondays to Fridays will be 8 bph plus 2 additional journeys ex Putney Common in the AM peak.
Route 98 will continue to terminate and stand at Metroline's Willesden Garage. Route N98 weekend frequency is reduced to 2 bph on each leg, with a combined 4 bph on the common section.
Route 115 is awarded on the basis of a revised specification retaining the current 7.5 bph widened frequency during Monday to Friday peaks.
Whoops, seems Stagecoach are out of favour at the moment!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 28, 2017, 01:17:24 PM
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
5 Stagecoach Blue Triangle 30 New & Existing Deckers (a)
15/N15 Stagecoach Blue Triangle 23 New Routemaster (b)
115 Stagecoach Blue Triangle 18 New Euro VI buses
22/N22 London General London General 22 New & existing deckers (c)
18/N18 Metroline West London United 44 New & Existing Euro VI Deckers (d)
6 (24 hr) Metroline Metroline 24 New Euro VI buses
98/N98 Metroline Metroline 23 New Euro VI buses
(1) 11 new Euro VI hybrid plus 22 Euro V diesel built 2010/11 (ex routes 19, 249, 259, EL1 or EL2) for a TVR of 33.
(b) Current allocation.
(c) 14 new Euro VI hybrid plus 10 Euro V hybrid built 2012 (currently allocated) for a TVR of 24. The Euro V vehicles will be upgraded to Euro VI prior to the introduction of ULEZ.
(d) 37 new plus 12 vehicles built 2016, originally ordered for the proposed conversion of route 72 to double deck (TVR 49).
All the above routes are awarded as specified, subject to consultation where appropriate. Please note the following:
Route 5 is awarded on the basis of a revised specification withdrawing all additional peak journeys. The rerouteing via Queen's Hospital is postponed at the present time.
Route 6 is awarded on the basis of being rerouted via Park Lane and Piccadilly instead of Oxford Street and Regent Street. It will continue to terminate and stand at Metroline's Willesden Garage.
Route 15/N15 is awarded on the basis of a revised specification withdrawing all additional peak journeys and reducing the N15 frequency at weekends to 6 bph. The day service will terminate permanently at Trafalgar Square and the night service will be extended to Oxford Circus.
Route 22/N22 is awarded on the basis of being rerouted at Piccadilly via Berkeley Square to terminate at Oxford Circus instead of Piccadilly Circus (linked to proposed changes to route C2). Frequencies are reduced to 7.5 bph Monday to Saturday daytimes and 5 bph Sundays and all evenings. Peak frequency on Mondays to Fridays will be 8 bph plus 2 additional journeys ex Putney Common in the AM peak.
Route 98 will continue to terminate and stand at Metroline's Willesden Garage. Route N98 weekend frequency is reduced to 2 bph on each leg, with a combined 4 bph on the common section.
Route 115 is awarded on the basis of a revised specification retaining the current 7.5 bph widened frequency during Monday to Friday peaks.
Very interesting changes. I believe that is the first time a batch of Borismasters have changed operators and I personally am very happy to see the 18 getting new buses. Hopefully a type not already seen at Euston
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 28, 2017, 01:17:24 PM
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
5 Stagecoach Blue Triangle 30 New & Existing Deckers (a)
15/N15 Stagecoach Blue Triangle 23 New Routemaster (b)
115 Stagecoach Blue Triangle 18 New Euro VI buses
22/N22 London General London General 22 New & existing deckers (c)
18/N18 Metroline West London United 44 New & Existing Euro VI Deckers (d)
6 (24 hr) Metroline Metroline 24 New Euro VI buses
98/N98 Metroline Metroline 23 New Euro VI buses
(1) 11 new Euro VI hybrid plus 22 Euro V diesel built 2010/11 (ex routes 19, 249, 259, EL1 or EL2) for a TVR of 33.
(b) Current allocation.
(c) 14 new Euro VI hybrid plus 10 Euro V hybrid built 2012 (currently allocated) for a TVR of 24. The Euro V vehicles will be upgraded to Euro VI prior to the introduction of ULEZ.
(d) 37 new plus 12 vehicles built 2016, originally ordered for the proposed conversion of route 72 to double deck (TVR 49).
All the above routes are awarded as specified, subject to consultation where appropriate. Please note the following:
Route 5 is awarded on the basis of a revised specification withdrawing all additional peak journeys. The rerouteing via Queen's Hospital is postponed at the present time.
Route 6 is awarded on the basis of being rerouted via Park Lane and Piccadilly instead of Oxford Street and Regent Street. It will continue to terminate and stand at Metroline's Willesden Garage.
Route 15/N15 is awarded on the basis of a revised specification withdrawing all additional peak journeys and reducing the N15 frequency at weekends to 6 bph. The day service will terminate permanently at Trafalgar Square and the night service will be extended to Oxford Circus.
Route 22/N22 is awarded on the basis of being rerouted at Piccadilly via Berkeley Square to terminate at Oxford Circus instead of Piccadilly Circus (linked to proposed changes to route C2). Frequencies are reduced to 7.5 bph Monday to Saturday daytimes and 5 bph Sundays and all evenings. Peak frequency on Mondays to Fridays will be 8 bph plus 2 additional journeys ex Putney Common in the AM peak.
Route 98 will continue to terminate and stand at Metroline's Willesden Garage. Route N98 weekend frequency is reduced to 2 bph on each leg, with a combined 4 bph on the common section.
Route 115 is awarded on the basis of a revised specification retaining the current 7.5 bph widened frequency during Monday to Friday peaks.
Quite sensational news and a massive blow for Stagecoach London,who might have to close a garage in light of this and other losses. And yes,it's the first route run with Borismasters to change operators-the 159,when Arriva lost it to Abellio,was converted to Borismasters on the change of operator. Better news for London United in gaining the 18/N18 from Metroline and as for Metroline themselves good news on their retention of the 6 & 98 at Willesden.
Tendering Programme 2018/2019 Update – announced on 06/04/17
The following routes have had a two-year extension agreed under the terms of the Quality Incentive Contract and
thus will no longer form part of the Tendering Programme for 2018/19: Routes 67, 106, 127 & 270.
Route 94, which formed part of Tranche 588 of the 2017/18 programme, has had its contract extended by one
year to allow for restructuring in connection with the proposed pedestrianisation of Oxford Street.
Routes 178, 244, 291 and B11, which formed part of Tranche 595 of the 2017/18 programme, have had their
contracts extended until 7th December 2018 to allow for restructuring in association with the opening of the
Elizabeth Line.
New school route 684, which was introduced on a short-term contract last year to deal with crowding issues on
route R8, is added to Tranche 595 of the 2017/18 programme.
The Tendering Programme for 2018/2019 is revised as follows:
Tranche Routes
588 22/N22, 33/N33, 220/N220, 419.
589 18/N18
590 45, 176/N176, 188/N188.
591 88/N88, 118, 170, 355, 470.
592 6/N6, 98/N98.
593 142, 258, 642.
594 41/N41, 121, 141, 299, 329, W4, W6.
595 99, 269, 401, 422, 684, B14, B16.
596 36/N36, 233, 343/N343.
597 423, 635, H22, H28, H37, H98.
598 138, 161, 172, 181, 225, 284.
599 169, 247, 287.
600 68/N68, 468, X68.
601 196, 241, 330, 474/N474
602 Tranche Cancelled.
603 31/N31, 95
604 44/N44, 77, 87/N87
605 37/N37, 171/N171, 219, 337, 386, 424, 485.
606 268, 389/399, H2, H3/631, 143D, 643
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
33 (24h) London United London United 18 Euro V buses (2010)
220 (24hr) London United London United 25 Euro V buses (2012)
419 London United London United 6 Euro V buses (2010)
88 (24 hr) London General London General 23 Euro VI NRM
118 London General London General 13 Euro V buses (2010)
170 London General London General 20 New & Existing single deckers
355 Metrobus Metrobus 12 New Euro VI buses
470 Quality Line Quality Bus 7 Euro V buses (2012)
Route 88 incorporates the frequency reduction to 7.5 bph on Monday to Saturday daytimes, plus reduction of the weekend night frequency to 2 bph.
Route 118 is awarded on the basis of an optional schedule with the Monday to Friday peak frequencies widened by one minute.
Route 170 is awarded on the basis of the revised ITT, which retains the current widened frequencies on a permanent basis.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Tranche 593
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
142 Arriva London London Sovereign 16 2012 Euro V Diesel Double Deckers
258 Arriva London London Sovereign 11 2012 Euro V Diesel Double Deckers
642 Arriva London London Sovereign 3 2012 Euro V Diesel Double Deckers
There will be an element of hybrid buses introduced to the 258. The buses themselves will come from Hounslow after the loss from there of the 120/222 later in the year and will be 12/62 plate Enviros.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
41/N41 Arriva London Arriva London 19 2011/3 Euro V Deckers
121 Arriva London Arriva London 21 2013 Euro V Deckers
141 Arriva London Arriva London 26 2012 Euro V Hybrid Deckers
299 London General Sullivan Buses 7 NEW EuroVI Single Deckers
329 Arriva London Arriva London 17 2013 Euro V Deckers
W4 London General Arriva London 14 NEW EuroVI Single Deckers
W7 Arriva London Arriva London 9 NEW EuroVI Single Deckers
684 Metrobus Metrobus 1 2011 Euro V Deckers
233 Metrobus Metrobus 6 2013 Euro V Single Deckers
Sullivans who have just started running the 217 have this poster featuring an RT detailing the history of the route on all the new buses.
https://www.flickr.com/gp/92409298@N06/Mx88Vf
The next batch of NRMs (LT954 -983) are for route 137 and are now on delivery.
The 137 all ready has LT vehicles allocated to it.
Quote from: midlandred2003 on June 06, 2017, 01:29:01 PM
The 137 all ready has LT vehicles allocated to it.
Sorry, should have said, the vehicles already allocated to the 137 (Euro 5) will be transferred for use on the 48 & 254.
The new buses are Euro 6.
Abellio London are opening a new depot in Southall, It's thought to be the former London Buslines yard:
PK0001815
ABELLIO WEST LONDON LTD
Director(s): DOMINIC BOOTH, Anthony Roy Wilson, Mark McGuinness, Alan Pilbeam, Andrew Worboys
301 CAMBERWELL NEW ROAD, LONDON, SE5 0TF
New operating centre: 5 Bridge Road, Southall, London, UB2 4AB
New authorisation at this operating centre will be: 44 vehicle(s) "
I was wondering where it would be. Only a few minutes walk from Southall train station and partially visible from the main line going in and out of Paddington.
What vehicles will be based there?
Whatever they use on the E1,E5,E7 and E9. And possibly more if there's room.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 01, 2017, 01:46:09 PM
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
41/N41 Arriva London Arriva London 19 2011/3 Euro V Deckers
121 Arriva London Arriva London 21 2013 Euro V Deckers
141 Arriva London Arriva London 26 2012 Euro V Hybrid Deckers
299 London General Sullivan Buses 7 NEW EuroVI Single Deckers
329 Arriva London Arriva London 17 2013 Euro V Deckers
W4 London General Arriva London 14 NEW EuroVI Single Deckers
W7 Arriva London Arriva London 9 NEW EuroVI Single Deckers
684 Metrobus Metrobus 1 2011 Euro V Deckers
233 Metrobus Metrobus 6 2013 Euro V Single Deckers
Your reference to the W7 above should be the W6 which currently uses PDL 101-110 from Enfield. The W7 is a Metroline route using VWs from Holloway.
Yes I know, sadly by the time i noticed it i was unable to modify it due to the time restrictions that have been put on moddifications to posts.
Some very recent tender news,as in only announced this morning. Metroline have retained routes 46 & 274-the former to retain midibuses while the tender bid for the latter potentially involves a change of tyoe to Double Decker(which would mean it's removal from Kings Cross garage back to Holloway. Also of note is that Go Ahead London have won the 153 & 214-the former is operated by CT Plus and was their first TfL bus route when won late in 2000. The 214 is currently run by Metroline from Kings Cross. Start dates for these are 03/02/2028 for the 153,23/06/2018 for the 46 & 271 and 17 August 2019 for the 214.
Quote from: markcf83 on June 14, 2017, 04:42:06 PM
Some very recent tender news,as in only announced this morning. Metroline have retained routes 46 & 274-the former to retain midibuses while the tender bid for the latter potentially involves a change of tyoe to Double Decker(which would mean it's removal from Kings Cross garage back to Holloway. Also of note is that Go Ahead London have won the 153 & 214-the former is operated by CT Plus and was their first TfL bus route when won late in 2000. The 214 is currently run by Metroline from Kings Cross. Start dates for these are 03/02/2028 for the 153,23/06/2018 for the 46 & 271 and 17 August 2019 for the 214.
I expect you mean 2018 not 2028 for the 153 :D
The following routes have had a two-year extension agreed under the terms of the Quality Incentive Contract and thus will no longer form part of the Tendering Programme for 2018/19:
139/N139, 230, 256, 319, 365/N365, 391, 425, 466, C3, K1, N5, N20, R7.
Quote from: YN63 BYJ on June 14, 2017, 08:01:29 PM
I expect you mean 2018 not 2028 for the 153 :D
Yes. You are most correct.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
138 Metrobus Metrobus 3 2013 Euro V diesel single deck
161 Metrobus Stagecoach Selkent 17 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
181 Metrobus Stagecoach Selkent 13 New Euro VI diesel single deck
284 Metrobus Stagecoach Selkent 12 New Euro VI diesel single deck
All the above contracts will commence on 17th March 2018
The three routes lost by Metrobus have been long operated by them. Route 161 is widely understood to have been the first double decker route in South East London to be run by low floor buses and was a one time Kentish Bus route when they had considerable success in 1993. Presumably the 181 & 284 will return to Catford but if Bromley is full then Plumstead will operate the 161.
Routes 36,172,225 and 343,plus the night variants of the 36 & 343,have all been retained by their current operators-Abellio in the case of the 172 & 343 and GoAhead London in respect of the other two. All will get new buses. Starting dates are varied beginning from February 3rd of next year.
Quote from: markcf83 on June 29, 2017, 04:40:56 PM
Routes 36,172,225 and 343,plus the night variants of the 36 & 343,have all been retained by their current operators-Abellio in the case of the 172 & 343 and GoAhead London in respect of the other two. All will get new buses. Starting dates are varied beginning from February 3rd of next year.
I've been reliably informed that this is not the case.
172 & 343 are both lost by Abellio to London Central. Meanwhile 225 gets existing buses; and the 36 gets 5 existing hybrids alongside the new ones
Ouch! 26% of Walworths Pvr gone with the loss of 172 & 343.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
36 (24h) London Central London Central 39 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
172 Abellio London London Central 18 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
225 London Central London Central 6 2013 Euro V diesel single deck
343/N343 Abellio London London Central 22 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
Must have misread it when I saw it then. Oops......
Tower Transit routes 28, 31, 266, 328, N28, N31 & N97 transfer from Atlas Road Garage to Westbourne Park
Garage on 01/07/17. This removes all TfL bus operations from Atlas Road Garage.
Update for London Bus Tender Awards – announced on 29/06/17Route 36 Retained by Go Ahead, London Central, with new Euro VI hybrid double deckers, including five 2011
built Euro V hybrids. PVR+1 to 39. Contract commences on 10/02/18.
Route 36 will continue to terminate and stand at New Cross Bus Garage instead of New Cross Gate,
Sainsbury's. The weekend night service frequency is reduced from every 20 to every 30 minutes.
Routes 343 & N343 Awarded to Go Ahead, London Central (from Abellio London), with new Euro VI hybrid
double deckers. PVR-2 to 22. Contract commences on 03/02/18.
The Monday to Saturday daytime frequency is reduced from every 7 to every 7-8 minutes.
Route 172 Awarded to Go Ahead, London Central (from Abellio London), with new Euro VI hybrid double
deckers. PVR+1 to 18. Contract commences on 17/03/18.
Route 225 Retained by Go Ahead, London Central, with existing fleet 2013 built Euro V diesel single deckers.
PVR-2 to 6. Contract commences on 17/03/18.
The Monday to Saturday daytime frequency reduced is from every 15 to every 20 minutes. The vehicles
to be used are currently allocated to route 284.
@Stuharris 6360 - why re-post? You already posted it on the day they were announced
@Winston, IF you notice, extra details have been added to the anouncement, if i had randomly just put the changes, it would not have made sense.
Major consultation on revised bus services when Elizabeth line (Crossrail) open.
https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/elizabeth-line/
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
99 Stagecoach Selkent Arriva North 14 Existing Euro V decker
269 Stagecoach Selkent Arriva North 12 Existing Euro V Decker
401 London Central Arriva North 7 Exising Euro V Decker
422 London Central Stagecoach Selkent 16 Exising & New Deckers
B14 London Central Stagecoach Selkent 5 New Euro VI Diesel single deckers
B16 London Central London Central 9 2010 exising Euro V single deckers
423 London United London United 7 2011 euro V single deckers
635 London United London United 3 tbc
H22 London United London United 11 exising 60 single deckers
H28 Abellio West London Abellio West London 9 2012 Euro V single deckers
H37 London United London United 15 tbc
H98 London United London United 13 existing single deckers
All the above routes are awarded as specified, subject to consultation where appropriate. Please note the following:
Route 269 frequency is reduced to 5 bph Monday to Saturday daytimes (plus 1 journey in Monday to Friday PM peak).
Route 422 is awarded on the basis of an alternative schedule with 1 minute widening during Monday to Friday peaks.
Route B16 is rerouted in Kidbrooke via Cambert Way to terminate at Moorhead Way.
Route H98 frequency is reduced to 6 bph Monday to Saturday daytimes.
Plenty more work for Dartford then with the 99,269 and 401 going there. Wouldn't be surprised if London Central closed its Belvedere garage and moved the 180/244 into Bexleyheath. On the other side of London,I'm guessing London United's management are most relieved not to have lost anything. There are varying start dates for these-not surprisingly-with the changes to the 99/269/401 starting in late January and going through to March for the 423/H22,plus presumably the other Hounslow area routes.
News on routes 68,468,X68 and N68. Abellio have won the 68 & N68-the former will keep its Borismasters while the latter will see Enviros spare from the 45 & 415. Arriva London have won the 468 and from what I've seen will run it from Norwood with new Hybrids. Finally the X68 is held by Go Ahead London. This is a big loss to Camberwell who run the routes currently. All these changes are effective from March 31 next year.
Quote from: markcf83 on July 31, 2017, 04:24:55 PM
News on routes 68,468,X68 and N68. Abellio have won the 68 & N68-the former will keep its Borismasters while the latter will see Enviros spare from the 45 & 415. Arriva London have won the 468 and from what I've seen will run it from Norwood with new Hybrids. Finally the X68 is held by Go Ahead London. This is a big loss to Camberwell who run the routes currently. All these changes are effective from March 31 next year.
Abellio have been hit by a fair few sizeable tender losses courtesy of Go-Ahead out late at Walworth & Battersea, it was inevitable that Abellio would return the favour at some point on Central London routes
I agree Winston. The fact the routes pass the doors probably helped them.
Quote from: markcf83 on July 31, 2017, 06:59:16 PM
I agree Winston. The fact the routes pass the doors probably helped them.
I've track a bit, but I'm assuming even with 23 Pvr win for the 68/N68, Abellio will still be down a bit on Central London routes
X140 route interesting would it actually save any time the traffic on this corridor
Quote from: monkeyjoe on August 10, 2017, 08:11:34 PM
X140 route interesting would it actually save any time the traffic on this corridor
It will replace the 140 during daylight hours between Hayes and Heathrow Airport. The N140 will operate as now.
Some tender news from London. Stagecoach have won the 474 from GoAhead and Metroline have taken the 31 from Tower Transit. Also lost by GoAhead is the 196,which returns to Abellio-I say that loosely as Connex ran the route for a period. This last one is currently operated by the oldest Enviros within GoAhead London. Held by their current operators are the 95-Metroline,169/241/247/287/330-all Stagecoach(new buses for the 169/241/330,Enviros for the 247/287) Dates of starting these contracts are as follows-March 24(169/247/287),April 28(31/95) and May 5(196/241/330/474).
Sort of related to London. Does anyone know the former reg of 'GH52 BUS', a DB250LF (I assume it is an ex Arriva London DLA) seen in Edinburgh on Ghost Bus tours
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/36721561965/in/photostream/
Quote from: John on August 24, 2017, 09:36:15 PM
Sort of related to London. Does anyone know the former reg of 'GH52 BUS', a DB250LF (I assume it is an ex Arriva London DLA) seen in Edinburgh on Ghost Bus tours
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/36721561965/in/photostream/
LG52 DCF ex DLA330
Just read elsewhere that the 196 will be run by Walworth garage when Abellio take it over from GoAhead early next year.
Not really a bus, but to stop creating another topic i will post here.
According to the Evening Standard London Duck Tours are to cease operating due to the slip road used to access the river Thames has been reclaimed by Thames water as part of the super sewer scheme. Last day is 18th September.
15th September 2017
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
37 (24h) London Central London Central 19 2011 Euro V diesel double deck
44/N44 London General London General 20 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
77 London General London General 18 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
87/N87 London General London General 22 2013 Euro V hybrid double deck*
171/N171 London Central London Central 25 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
219 London General London General 11 2013 Euro V diesel single deck
337 London General London General 11 2011 Euro V diesel double deck
386 Stagecoach Selkent London Central 11 2011 Euro V diesel single deck
424 London General London General 5 2017 Euro VI diesel single deck
485 London General London General 4 2010 Euro V diesel single deck
* 6 vehicles will be new Euro VI.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
7th April 2018: Route 424.
28th April 2018: Route 171/N171.
5th May 2018: Route 485.
26th May 2018: Route 337.
2nd June 2018: Routes 37, 44/N44, 77, 87/N87, 219 & 386.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/double-decker-bus-ploughs-into-west-end-building-eight-days-after-identical-crash-a3643437.html
Just remembered that London Sovereign will take over the running of the 258 from Arriva this weekend. This is connected to rumours,unconfirmed officially,that Garston garage in Watford is to close next year. The date of the transfer of the 142 remains as booked.
If Garston closes that will leave Northfleet as the only ex London Country Bus Services left running buses.
Quote from: JoNi on September 27, 2017, 07:55:26 PM
If Garston closes that will leave Northfleet as the only ex London Country Bus Services left running buses.
It won't. Guildford still stands as does Harlow.
Thursday 5 October
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
143D Metroline Metroline 1 2010 Euro V diesel double deck
268 Arriva London North Metroline 6 Existing diesel single deck*
H2 Arriva London North Metroline 3 New Euro VI diesel single deck
H3/631 Arriva London North Metroline 2 New Euro VI diesel single deck
643 Metroline Metroline 2 2010 Euro V diesel double deck
* 3 Euro IV built 2009 + 4 Euro V built 2010 (TVR 7).
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
9th June 2018: Routes 268, H2 & H3/631.
30th June 2018: Routes 143D & 643.
Go Ahead Londons 45 is being operated with Hybrid Buses from today as a Brixton/Streatham low emission zone has been implemented. This seems to have killed off most of the remaining PVLs with some survivors on the 185/468 but only until 10th November at the latest as Abellio gains the 45 on the 11th
There are reports of a major fire involving what appears to be a trident? in Kingston high street earlier today. The fire would appear to have originated in the engine compartment I don't have the link I'm afraid
2nd November 2017
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
30 Tower Transit Metroline 23 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
231 London General Metroline 7 Existing diesel double deck (a)
327 London General Sullivan Buses 1 2010 Euro V diesel single deck
389/399 London General Sullivan Buses 0* New Euro VI diesel single deck
491 London General Metroline 9 Existing diesel single deck (b)
D6 Docklands Buses CT Plus 14 New Euro VI diesel single deck
D8 Docklands Buses Tower Transit 9 2011 Euro V diesel double deck
R9 Metrobus Metrobus 3 2011 Euro V diesel single deck
N550 Tower Transit CT Plus 0** 2017 Euro VI hybrid double deck
N551 Tower Transit CT Plus 0** 2017 Euro VI hybrid double deck
* Interpeak only route using a bus from route 299.
** Night only route using buses from route 388.
(a) 6 Euro IV built 2009 + 2 Euro V built 2011 (TVR 8).
(b) 1 Euro IV built 2009 + 9 Euro V built 2011/12 (TVR 10).
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
7th April 2018: Route 389/399.
2nd June 2018: Route 491.
9th June 2018: Routes 231 & 327.
23rd June 2018: Route 30.
18th August 2018: Route R9.
1st September 2018: Routes N550 & N551.
15th September 2018: Routes D6 & D8.
Guessing a bit here but route 30 to be run from Kings Cross,given it's on the line of route. D8 to get the Enviros going off the 30. D6 and D8,along with others,led to the closure of Upton Park in 2011.
Rumour has it that the remaining NB4L are to be allocated to route 267 by the end of the year.
The ten Volvos bought by Arriva London-that were put up for sale by Ensign after Tower lost the 266- have been numbered,provisionally,as VW901 to 910,although it's being suggested that they'll carry VLW901-910. Also being reported is the arrival of Enviros for Arriva London;ENX31/2 for Thornton Heath and the 289 and ENS29/30 as the first of about a dozen for the W6,the contract of which isn't due to begin until February.
From the LOTS website
"Subject to availability, it is planned to run RML903 as an free extra on Route 4 on Thursday 9 November with passengers being invited to donate to the British Legion Poppy Appeal. The planned timetable is: 0800 Archway – Waterloo; 0938 Waterloo – Finsbury Park; 1051 Finsbury Park – Waterloo; 1201 Waterloo – Archway; 1409 Archway – Waterloo; 1541 Waterloo – Archway. A similar operation is planned on Route 24 on Friday 17 November for the BBC Children in Need Appeal. Details to follow."
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 02, 2017, 10:22:07 PM
Rumour has it that the remaining NB4L are to be allocated to route 267 by the end of the year.
London Vehicle Finder states LT149 is first Borismaster on 267 having previously operated for London United on 9 and 10.
Yesmore than likely a spare one.
The vehicles to be allocated are the last ones to be built making 1000ish NB4L on the road.
Am quite surprised that they are being allocated to a route, the first NB4L will shortly be due to receive a half life overhaul, the price for this I understand was in the purchase price for the vehicles.
Buses powered by caffeine or coffe ground, anyone else read this article appeared on my LinkedIn with minimal detail???
This is the article i read although can't see it catching on considering how much coffee it will take to power one bus for a year.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-42044852
O ha ha
Delivery of the final Borismasters for route 267 at Fulwell is beginning. Two of them have been seen in Heysham Docks over the weekend along with more Metroline Volvos and Streetdecks for Brighton.
More tender news from the Capital.
105 won by London United
216 retained by London United-new buses
288/303 won by London Sovereign
H12 won by London Sovereign-double deck retained
H14 retained by London Sovereign-to be converted to double deck
H17 retained by London Sovereign-existing buses
H18/19 won by London Sovereign
K2/4 retained by London United-new buses
K3 won by London United
Dates of the changes are:
30 June 18-routes 105/216/K2/K3/K4
01 September 18-all others.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
31/N31 Tower Transit Metroline West 20 Double deck (details TBC)
95 Metroline West Metroline West 14 2011 Euro V diesel single deck
169 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 14 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
196 London General Abellio London 16 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
241 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 9 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
247 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 11 2011 Euro V diesel double deck
287 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 7 2011 Euro V diesel double deck
330 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 10 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
474* Blue Triangle Stagecoach East London 14 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
* 24 hour route.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
24th March 2018: Routes 169, 247 & 287.
28th April 2018: Routes 31/N31 & 95.
5th May 2018: Routes 196, 241, 330 & 474.
And the 2019-20 Tendering Document has also been published today.
https://tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/uploads/forms/2019-2020-lbsl-tendering-programme.pdf
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2018, 09:57:46 PM
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
31/N31 Tower Transit Metroline West 20 Double deck (details TBC)
95 Metroline West Metroline West 14 2011 Euro V diesel single deck
169 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 14 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
196 London General Abellio London 16 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
241 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 9 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
247 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 11 2011 Euro V diesel double deck
287 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 7 2011 Euro V diesel double deck
330 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 10 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
474* Blue Triangle Stagecoach East London 14 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
* 24 hour route.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
24th March 2018: Routes 169, 247 & 287.
28th April 2018: Routes 31/N31 & 95.
5th May 2018: Routes 196, 241, 330 & 474.
Tower Transit losing another 20 buses
Quote from: Tony on January 10, 2018, 10:04:38 PM
Tower Transit losing another 20 buses
There were three bids for the 31/N31 which was awarded to Metroline West in a joint bid with route 95.
Abellio seem to be slowly recovering from their recent losing streak, re-gaining the 196 from Go Ahead
Quote from: Winston on January 10, 2018, 10:22:00 PM
Abellio seem to be slowly recovering from their recent losing streak, re-gaining the 196 from Go Ahead
Abellio seem to have been lucky on that route, the lowest bid was withdrawn due to a lack of garage space, sadly it doesn't say what operator hadn't got the garage space?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2018, 10:25:23 PM
Abellio seem to have been lucky on that route, the lowest bid was withdrawn due to a lack of garage space, sadly it doesn't say what operator hadn't got the garage space?
I assume it will help to re-fill Beddington Cross (BC) back up.
Brings the 196 back to the former Travel London op.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2018, 10:25:23 PM
Abellio seem to have been lucky on that route, the lowest bid was withdrawn due to a lack of garage space, sadly it doesn't say what operator hadn't got the garage space?
Certainly wouldn't have been Tower Transit then!
Quote from: Winston on January 10, 2018, 10:27:56 PM
I assume it will help to re-fill Beddington Cross (BC) back up.
Brings the 196 back to the former Travel London op.
@Winston 196 to be operated from Walworth garage.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 10, 2018, 09:57:46 PM
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
31/N31 Tower Transit Metroline West 20 Double deck (details TBC)
95 Metroline West Metroline West 14 2011 Euro V diesel single deck
169 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 14 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
196 London General Abellio London 16 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
241 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 9 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
247 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 11 2011 Euro V diesel double deck
287 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 7 2011 Euro V diesel double deck
330 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 10 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
474* Blue Triangle Stagecoach East London 14 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
* 24 hour route.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
24th March 2018: Routes 169, 247 & 287.
28th April 2018: Routes 31/N31 & 95.
5th May 2018: Routes 196, 241, 330 & 474.
These awards were announced back in August 2017 ????
Quote from: Ian Hardy on January 10, 2018, 10:34:51 PM
These awards were announced back in August 2017 ????
My apologies, random email popped up in my inbox and forgot to check the date.
https://tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/uploads/forms/2019-2020-lbsl-tendering-programme.pdf
Tendering Programme Update
12th January 2018
Route E1/NE1 has had a two-year extension agreed under the terms of the Quality Incentive Contract and thus will no longer form part of the Tendering Programme for 2019/20. The Tendering Programme is therefore revised as follows:
Tranche Routes
638 207/N207,607
639 240,C2
640 54,75,689
641 272,440
642 E3,E10,E11
643 124,136,227
644 7/N7
645 211
646 71,281/N281,406,418,681
647 8/N8,205/N205,375
648 208,286
649 81,490
650 112,232,611
651 395,640,H13
652 49
653 197,663
654 661,669,672
655 271/N271
656 332
657 128/N128,364
658 201,407,627,S4
659 34/N34,102/N102,192,606
660 24/N24,27/N27
661 266/N266,267
662 414
663 25/N25
664 52/N52< /tr>
665 323
666 29/N29
667 109/N109,415
668 125,234
669 55/N55,56
670 212,444,488,657
671 126
672 282,482,U5
673 RV1
Please note that a further structural review of routes 94/N4 (Tranche 621) and 228 (Tranche 630) from the 2018/19 Tendering Programme is currently taking place. Tenderers will be advised of the outcome in due course.
Ian Hardy
It could get interesting for Abellio again in the above tranches, especially if the awards go against them:
Beddington Cross has 56 buses worth of work to be re-tendered i.e. 109/N109, 201, 407, 415 & S4 (60% of BC's Total Pvr which currently stands @ 90)
Battersea has approx. 77 buses worth of work up for re-tender is the shape of 49, 211, 414 & C2 (38% of QB's Total Pvr which currently stands @ 203)
New announcements on iBus from last week exhorting passengers to "hold on as the bus is about to move", modern day version of ding, ding and hold tight!
Quote from: JoNi on January 15, 2018, 07:08:56 PM
New announcements on iBus from last week exhorting passengers to "hold on as the bus is about to move", modern day version of ding, ding and hold tight!
Except by some accounts it says it when the bus is already moving...
Quote from: Kevin on January 15, 2018, 07:18:26 PM
Except by some accounts it says it when the bus is already moving...
Usually the announcements are about 10 - 20 seconds after the bus has moved off, but the best one this morning was when my 235 was stopping in Feltham and there were about 15 people in the queue waiting to get on, the driver had just closed the centre doors (to stop the school kids getting on) and the "Please hold on, the bus is about to move" message was played, but the bus did move for another 2 minutes :-)
Someone did not think this through, this is the reply that I got from TfL customer services when I complained about them:
Date: 16/01/2018
Dear Mr Hardy
Thanks for your web form of 15 January about the 'please hold on' announcement. I'm sorry that you find this to be annoying. I understand how the repetitive nature of such announcements perhaps isn't to everyone's liking.
Safety is our number one priority. The PA announcement is a trial to improve customer safety on the bus network. The aim of this announcement is to reduce the amount of accidents occurring on our buses.
A number of cases have been brought to our attention, where customers have fallen and sustained injuries when they've been unaware that the bus was ready to move from the bus stop. We've acted as a response to the many requests we've received from customers to raise awareness of this.
The health and safety of all our customers is paramount. However, we're also aware that a comfortable on-board environment is essential. We always strive to achieve this balance on all of our modes of transport.
Customer feedback and suggestions provide us with a good overall insight and help to influence our decisions. This means your feedback will help us improve our services. We appreciate your comments; please rest assured that we'll take them on board.
We are aware the timing is currently off, and we are looking to get this issue resolved.
Thanks again for contacting us. If there is anything else we can help you with, please reply to this email/letter. Alternatively, you can call us on 0343 222 1234 and we'll be happy to help you.
Kind regards
Rocas Okochi
Customer Service Adviser
Transport for London Customer Services
i.e. PC Health & Safety tosh
When Midland Metro put the same announcement on the trams the number of claims for falling dropped to zero
To all those who think London's bus system is better than the rest of the country I wonder what will happen when the money runs out.
TfL is currently losing £1,800,000 a day!
http://www.route-one.net/articles/Finance/London_bus_deficit_to_hit__1_8m_a_day
I may be wrong but I feel that part of the problem is all these new ideas that both Boris and Sadiq Khan have come up with.
For example
fewer buses using Oxford Street, probably the busiest street in the capital. People aren't going to walk miles just to find a bus stop. they will use an already massively overcrowded tube.
Night Tube, supposedly used so night bus services could be reduced, but then other bus services have had to be provided in the suburbs to get people home when they get off the tube.
The bus cuts are entirely down to Sadiq. Which is ironic given he's a son of a London bus driver.......
Quote from: markcf83 on January 17, 2018, 10:53:17 PM
The bus cuts are entirely down to Sadiq. Which is ironic given he's a son of a London bus driver.......
That's true, but also Boris and the NB4L, at the end of the day it's been a very expensive project for TFL, I don't dislike the buses, but part of the point was to bring back the open rear platform bus to London. Firstly Boris suddenly realised that having every route with Customer Assistants would be madly expensive and so cut back the routes that they would be used on, then Sadiq made the CA's redundant, therefore making the rear door pointless. So now you have buses going around with passengers able to board by any door thus no doubt increasing fare evasion ten fold.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
60 Arriva London South Arriva London South 15 2010 Euro VI diesel double deck (a)
73/N73 Arriva London North Arriva London North 34 2015 Euro VI New Routemaster
144 Arriva London North Arriva London North 16 2011 Euro V diesel double deck
166 Arriva London South Arriva London South tbc 2011 Euro V diesel single deck
293 Metrobus Quality Line 7 New Euro VI diesel single deck (b)
356 Stagecoach Selkent Stagecoach Selkent 7 New Euro VI diesel single deck (c)
404 Quality Line Quality Line 1 New Euro VI diesel single deck
412 Arriva London South Arriva London South 8 2013 Euro V diesel double deck
434 Metrobus Metrobus 3 2013 Euro V diesel single deck
612 Arriva London South Arriva London South 2 2008 Euro IV diesel double deck
626 Sullivan Buses Sullivan Buses 4 2009/10 Euro V diesel double deck
634 Metroline Metroline 1 2011 Euro V diesel double deck
685 Arriva London South Arriva London South 0* 2013 Euro V diesel double deck
* PM only journey using bus from route 412.
(a) These vehicles have been upgraded from Euro V to Euro VI emissions standards.
(b) One vehicle will be double deck – details to be confirmed.
(c) One vehicle is an existing Euro VI diesel built in 2014.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
1st September 2018: Routes 60, 73/N73, 166, 293, 412, 434, 612, 626, 634 & 658.
15th September 2018: Route 356.
29th September 2018: Route 404.
13th October 2018: Route 144.
End of "hold tight please" trial
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.cityam.com/279758/there-economic-lessons-learn-tfls-hated-bus-announcement&ved=0ahUKEwiElsqc7ILZAhVqJsAKHXjhARsQxfQBCB0wAA&usg=AOvVaw3TnSPYnjQfCIdgs2sDt_DE
Quote from: JoNi on January 31, 2018, 06:42:34 PM
End of "hold tight please" trial
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.cityam.com/279758/there-economic-lessons-learn-tfls-hated-bus-announcement&ved=0ahUKEwiElsqc7ILZAhVqJsAKHXjhARsQxfQBCB0wAA&usg=AOvVaw3TnSPYnjQfCIdgs2sDt_DE
Thank goodness for that, was in London last week and the announcement was serving no purpose at all. Presumably the announcement is directed to visitors more than commuters, however if that is the case, it needs to be in French, German, Japanese etc.
What they need to work on more is Oxford Street, the mayor wants less (NO) buses eventually, however to me the problem is not buses. Those stupid bike things causing havoc, and I rode along Oxford Street on the 10, I counted 7 times when taxis suddenly did a 3 point turn in the middle of the road. If Oxford Street was bus only it would be a lot better than it is at the moment.
Sadly London North Western Railway have caught the bug with an announcement on how to take pushchairs off trains!
Quote from: JoNi on February 05, 2018, 04:06:31 PM
Sadly London North Western Railway have caught the bug with an announcement on how to take pushchairs off trains!
London Midland were the ones to introduce that iirc, I remember hearing it on a 350 on the way back home from Coventry a few months ago.
Dark times ahead on the buses in London.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-42975661
Some brief tender news which takes effect in September. Metroline have held onto the 390 and will keep the Borisbuses. Stagecoach London have held the 165,179 and 252 plus they have won the 193 from GoAhead London. New buses are expected for the 165/252. The 390 starts its new contract on September 1st with the rest starting on the 29th of September.
Abellio & Metroline's loosing streak continuing:
Notification of Tender Results
23rd March 2018
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
12* London Central London Central 33 2015 Euro VI New Routemaster
79 Metroline London Sovereign 11 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
223 Metroline West London Sovereign TBC New Euro VI diesel single deck
224 Metroline West London United TBC New Euro VI diesel single deck
318 Arriva London North Arriva London North 7 2008 Euro IV diesel single deck
403 Arriva London South Metrobus 7 2011 Euro V diesel double deck
452 Abellio London Tower Transit 21 2011 Euro V diesel double deck
453* London Central London Central 36 2015 Euro VI New Routemaster
H25 Abellio West London Abellio West London 9 2013 Euro V diesel single deck
S1 Quality Line Quality Line 11 2014 Euro VI diesel single deck
*24 hour route.
All Euro IV and Euro V vehicles will be upgraded to Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
13th October 2018: Routes 223 & 224.
27th October 2018: Route 403.
3rd November 2018: Route 12.
10th November 2018: Route 318.
17th November 2018: Routes 453 & H25.
24th November 2018: Route 79.
1st December 2018: Routes 452 & S1.
Welcome gain for Tower with the 452. London Sovereign continue to get new work.
Go-Ahead London are taking a BCI tri-axle hybrid decker as a pilot vehicle, spec in conjunction with TFL:
https://cbwmagazine.com/london-to-try-a-tri-axle-decker/
Tender news announced today is that Metroline regain-once again-the 292 from London Sovereign and will be using Volvos currently on the 105. They,however,have lost the 603 to Sullivans. Also gained,and both from Arriva London,are the 317 & 393. Dates for these changes are 8th December for the 292,12th January for the 603,and March 30th next year for the other two. Also of note is that existing buses are to be used on the 603 when Sullivans take it on.
London Tender announcements today, taken from LOTS website:
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
51 Stagecoach Selkent Metrobus 19 2011 Euro V diesel double deck
61 Stagecoach Selkent Stagecoach Selkent 10 2013 Euro V diesel double deck
207* Metroline West Abellio West London 28 New & existing double deck (a)
261 Stagecoach Selkent Stagecoach Selkent 13 New & existing double deck (b)
607 Metroline West Metroline West 19 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
R5/10 Stagecoach Selkent Metrobus 1 Single deck (details TBC)
* Includes night route N207.
(a)16 Euro V diesel built 2012 plus 15 new Euro VI hybrid (TVR 31).
(b) 3 Euro V diesel built 2013 plus 11 new Euro VI hybrid (TVR 14).
All Euro V vehicles will be upgraded to Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
1st December 2018: Routes 61 & 261.
8th December 2018: Routes 51 & R5/R10.
6th April 2019: Routes 207/N207 & 607.
That's a welcome win for Abellio winning the 207 / N207 off Metroline
Greenford losing the 207 represents not far off HALF the garage's total output. Ironically the new Abellio garage in Southall is being built on part of the site of the former AEC works which is next to the main London to Bristol railway line,and from which I assume it will run from.
It appears that London United will be taking over the one time London Country garage at Watford when Arriva lose their routes to them in September. At least it's not going to be housing which was the original plan for the site.
Quote from: markcf83 on July 16, 2018, 04:08:42 PM
It appears that London United will be taking over the one time London Country garage at Watford when Arriva lose their routes to them in September. At least it's not going to be housing which was the original plan for the site.
Interesting... I'm assuming London United will be ideally looking to fill it in due course.
The routes still left there now pass to London United except for the 305-which is to disappear after changes to the 303. I would guess the 142 & 258 will also be returning there.
RATP London are not acquiring Garston from Arriva, they have purchased a industrial unit near to their Harrow Garage and another site in Canons Park which will enable all the ex Arriva routes and the H12 from Metroline to be taken on 1st September 2018.
See the latest news page on the London Omnibus Traction Society website: http://www.lots.org.uk/
Ian Hardy
Here's a good summary of where the faultless TfL will wielding the axe:
http://diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/2018/08/central-london-bus-cuts.html
Quote from: Winston on August 18, 2018, 07:13:05 PM
Here's a good summary of where the faultless TfL will wielding the axe:
http://diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/2018/08/central-london-bus-cuts.html
Oh look, another chance for a rose-tinted glasses moan about losing "long-standing connections" and constantly changing things "as if they don't know what they are doing"
Change is obviously necessary in London, hopefully this is only the start
Quote from: Kevin on August 19, 2018, 07:07:54 AM
Oh look, another chance for a rose-tinted glasses moan about losing "long-standing connections" and constantly changing things "as if they don't know what they are doing"
Change is obviously necessary in London, hopefully this is only the start
Change will be coming.....the useless Mayor will be out of his job.
Quote from: Kevin on August 19, 2018, 07:07:54 AM
Oh look, another chance for a rose-tinted glasses moan about losing "long-standing connections" and constantly changing things "as if they don't know what they are doing"
Change is obviously necessary in London, hopefully this is only the start
Yes, change is necessary to cut costs! As TfL are haemorrhaging money.
"As if they don't know what they're doing" ?? TfL were £176 million in the red judging by the 2017/18 report, good aren't they!
Metrobus have won the 227 from Stagecoach London. This will change operators in June next year. Stagecoach London have held onto the 124 and 136 at Catford with the current buses to be used-it's worth noting that new hybrids are being introduced to the 136 currently. The dates of the new contracts for the 124/136 are to begin in May 2019.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
211 Abellio London London United 16 2016 Euro VI New Routemaster
272 London United London United 8 New Euro VI diesel single deck
406 Quality Line Quality Line 7 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
440 London United London United 11 New Euro VI diesel single deck
681 London United London United 2 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
E3 London United London United 20 2012 Euro V hybrid double deck*
E10 London United Abellio West London 11 New Euro VI diesel single deck
E11 London United Abellio West London 5 New Euro VI diesel single deck
* Already upgraded to Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
25th May 2019: Routes 272, 440 & E11.
1st June 2019: Routes E3 & E10.
29th June 2019: Routes 211 & 406.
6th July 2019: Route 681.
Longshot question; does anyone have a rough list of the buses in the Poppy Appeal livery? (regardless of operator)
Quote from: CL on November 04, 2018, 01:02:17 PM
Longshot question; does anyone have a rough list of the buses in the Poppy Appeal livery? (regardless of operator)
easily available to find. Just put ZB into London Vehicle finder
https://lvf.io/#LDN|ZB
Quote from: Tony on November 04, 2018, 02:09:43 PM
easily available to find. Just put ZB into London Vehicle finder
https://lvf.io/#LDN|ZB
Thanks, Tony. :)
Somehow, I managed to snap TA1's public debut
https://flic.kr/p/QzvLZh
Unfortunately, I didn't get a ride on it today - but there's a strong chance I'll be back before the year's up! :)
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
94 RATP London United RATP London United tbc tbc
208 Stagecoach Selkent GoAhead London 16 New Euro VI Hybrid D/D
240 Metroline Metroline 8 Euro V buses upgraded to Euro VI standards
286 GoAhead London GoAhead London 14 Euro VI buses (2014)
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
94 07/12/19
208 27/07/19
240 27/04/19
286 13/07/19
Real time has stopped working at bus stops in London as it depends on O2 network that has suffered major data failure.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
8/N8 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 28 Euro IV New Routemasters upgrade to Euro VI
81 RATP (London) Metroline 16 Euro V buses upgraded to Euro VI
100 Dockland Buses London Central 9 New electric single deckers
205/N205 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 23 Euro VI Hybrid Buses
209/609 London United London General 10 New Diesel single deckers
232 Metroline London General 16 New Euro VI diesel single deckers
395 Metroline London Sovereign 6 New Single Deckers buses
490 Abellio West London Abellio West London 16 Euro V & VI buses
497 NEW ROUTE Stagecoach East London 2 New Diesel Single Decker
H13 London Sovereign Metroline 6 2011/12 single deckers
The above contracts will commence on the following
8/N8 29/06/19
81 27/07/19
100 21/09/19
205/N205 31/08/19
209/609 17/08/19
232 03/08/19
395 07/09/19
490 24/08/19
497 24/08/19
H13 07/09/19
What next for Victoria Coach station?
https://bit.ly/2sgynre
Red hot news. Arriva London has lost the 197 to Metrobus beginning in late August with new Hybrid double deckers. This presumably will see off the last of the old style DW's which Croydon has several of remaining on its books.
Quote from: JoNi on January 11, 2019, 10:19:15 PM
What next for Victoria Coach station?
https://bit.ly/2sgynre
Given the building is listed they cannot demolish it.
Quote from: markcf83 on January 15, 2019, 01:26:24 PM
Red hot news. Arriva London has lost the 197 to Metrobus beginning in late August with new Hybrid double deckers. This presumably will see off the last of the old style DW's which Croydon has several of remaining on its books.
yes
@markcf83 Tuesday 15 January
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
197 Arriva London South Metrobus 15 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
663 Arriva London South Metrobus 1 2010 Euro V diesel double deck*
* To be upgraded to Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on 31st August 2019.
From 2 March 2019, heritage buses on route 15H will operate only on bank holidays and weekends, between the last Saturday in March until the last weekend in September.
I was up West Bromwich this morning, and I saw a Pointer 2 dual door Dart in full Abellio London livery, complete with London blinds saying not in service. It came up the high street, turned right onto St Michael St and then turned left onto the ringway just before 10AM. Does anyone have any idea what this would be doing around here, my only guess is that it's been purchased by a local operator, but usually they take the blinds out I'd have thought, unless it was 8481 since that one is preserved.
The dart bus might be going to go caryle up by gear bridge
Quote from: Solo1 on February 03, 2019, 12:57:30 PM
The dart bus might be going to go caryle up by gear bridge
I've been told that it was probably 8481, since it's preserved and kept somewhere near West Brom. Nice to see it again if that was in fact what I saw.
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
128* Arriva London North Stagecoach East London 14 2012 Euro V diesel double deck
201 Abellio London Abellio London 10 2014 Euro VI diesel single deck
364 Blue Triangle Blue Triangle 14 New Euro VI diesel single deck
375 Arriva London North Arriva London North 1 TBC
407 Abellio London Abellio London 15 Hybrid double deck (details TBC)
627 Arriva London South Arriva London South 3 2009 Euro IV diesel double deck
* 24 hour route.
All Euro IV and Euro V vehicles will be upgraded to Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
6th July 2019: Route 375.
5th October 2019: Route 201.
12th October 2019: Route 128.
2nd November 2019: Routes 364, 407 & 627.
Seems London is set to trial a kind of ring (or use the app) and ride service!
https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2019/february/on-demand-bus-services-set-to-be-trialled-in-sutton
Quick question for a newbie.
As TFL specifies the bus type does TFL purchase the vehicles and the operator then leases it from them? Or does the operator take the risk, IE buying battery powered buses that may have no market outside London?
I understand the new Routemasters were an exception due to their bizarre acquisition!
Thanks
The operator is responsible for them.
Quote from: dmc5007 on March 25, 2019, 01:42:00 AM
Quick question for a newbie.
As TFL specifies the bus type does TFL purchase the vehicles and the operator then leases it from them? Or does the operator take the risk, IE buying battery powered buses that may have no market outside London?
I understand the new Routemasters were an exception due to their bizarre acquisition!
Thanks
As you say, the new Routemasters are different. They were purchased by TfL and are leased to whichever operator is operating any route run by them. Other routes are up to the operator to source, but not necessarily owned by the operator. Many are owned by leasing companies like Dawsons, Lombard etc. Even Stagecoach stated it wasn't buying buses for London when it re-entered the market, so a lot of the older vehicles they use are owned, so some copuld be cascaded to other fleets, but any new vehicles taken after buying the operation back are leased, so will just return to dealers
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
24 Metroline Abellio London 17 2013 Euro V New Routemaster
27* London United Abellio London 22 2014 Euro V New Routemaster
266/N266 Metroline London United 23 Existing double deck (details TBC)
267 London United Abellio West London 17 2017 Euro VI New Routemaster
661 London Central Stagecoach Selkent 1 2009 Euro IV diesel double deck
669 London Central Stagecoach Selkent 2 2011 Euro V diesel double deck
672** Stagecoach Selkent Stagecoach Selkent 0 2012 Euro V diesel double deck
* 24 hour route.
** Uses two buses crosslinked from another route.
All Euro IV and Euro V vehicles will be upgraded to Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
7th September 2019: Route 672.
5th October 2019: Routes 661 & 669.
9th November 2019: Routes 24, 27 & 267.
7th December 2019: Route 266/N266.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 25, 2019, 02:30:28 PM
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
24 Metroline Abellio London 17 2013 Euro V New Routemaster
27* London United Abellio London 22 2014 Euro V New Routemaster
266/N266 Metroline London United 23 Existing double deck (details TBC)
267 London United Abellio West London 17 2017 Euro VI New Routemaster
661 London Central Stagecoach Selkent 1 2009 Euro IV diesel double deck
669 London Central Stagecoach Selkent 2 2011 Euro V diesel double deck
672** Stagecoach Selkent Stagecoach Selkent 0 2012 Euro V diesel double deck
* 24 hour route.
** Uses two buses crosslinked from another route.
All Euro IV and Euro V vehicles will be upgraded to Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
7th September 2019: Route 672.
5th October 2019: Routes 661 & 669.
9th November 2019: Routes 24, 27 & 267.
7th December 2019: Route 266/N266.
I guess the 266 will go to Park Royal.
Abellio have clearly sharpened their pencil on tender bids again.
Quote from: Winston on March 25, 2019, 02:46:04 PM
Abellio have clearly sharpened their pencil on tender bids again.
Yes, noticably all with Borismasters so their bidding without vehicle purchase/rental costs is better.
Quote from: Tony on March 25, 2019, 03:05:56 PM
Yes, noticably all with Borismasters so their bidding without vehicle purchase/rental costs is better.
I assume it's to fill up their depots after previous tender losses, plus there's the new Southall Depot currently being built.
The 267 will merely go around the corner to the other half of Fulwell garage where Abellio have a base.....
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
29/N29 Arriva London North Arriva London North 36 2013 Euro V hybrid double deck
34 Metroline Arriva London North 22 Hybrid double deck (details TBC)
52* Metroline Metroline 18 2014 Euro VI hybrid double deck
102* Arriva London North Arriva London North 26 Hybrid double deck (details TBC)
109/N109 Abellio London Abellio London 26 2015 Euro VI hybrid double deck
192 London General Arriva London North 15 New Euro VI diesel single deck
* 24 hour route (34 at weekends only).
** Already upgraded to Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
9th November 2019: Routes 34, 102 & 192.
7th December 2019: Route 52.
11th January 2020: Route 29/N29.
1st February 2020: Route 109/N109
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
323 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 4 New electric single deck
533 N/A (new route) Metroline 3 2009 Euro V diesel single deck*
640 Metroline Sullivan Buses 2 2011 Euro V diesel double deck*
* All Euro V vehicles will be upgraded to Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
18th May 2019: Route 533.
31st August 2019: Route 640.
11th January 2020: Route 323.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
C10 Abellio London Abellio London 22 New electric single deck
P5 London Central Abellio London 9 New electric single deck
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
21st March 2020: Route C10.
2nd May 2020: Route P5.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
126 Metrobus Metrobus 11 2013 Euro V diesel single deck
212 Tower Transit London General 12 New Euro VI hybrid double deck
444 Tower Transit London General 11 New Electric single deck
657 London General London General 1 2010 Euro V diesel double deck
All Euro V vehicles will be upgraded to Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
7th March 2020: Routes 212, 444 & 657.
21st March 2020: Route 126.
More gains for Northumberland Park then.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
67 Arriva London North London General 12 2014 Euro V New Routemasters
106 Arriva London North London General 14 Double Deckers TBC
127 Metrobus Metrobus 17 2011/2 Diesel Double Decker **
191 London General Arriva London North 19 2013 Euro V Double Decker *
230 Arriva London North London General 11 Double Deckers TBC
270 London General Abellio London 13 New Euro VI Hybrid Deckers
357 London General London General 7 Double Deckers TBC
* Already upgraded to Euro VI emissions standards.
** To be upgraded to Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
29th February 2020: Route 357.
11th April 2020: Route 127.
25th April 2020: Routes 67 & 106.
2nd May 2020: Route 191.
30th May 2020: Route 270.
20th June 2020: Route 230.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 16, 2019, 01:18:53 AM
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
C10 Abellio London Abellio London 22 New electric single deck
P5 London Central Abellio London 9 New electric single deck
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
21st March 2020: Route C10.
2nd May 2020: Route P5.
And the buses chosen for these are quite a surprise, Caetano eCity Golds
https://www.route-one.net/articles/Operators/Abellio_London_is_first_UK_firm_to_order_Caetano_e_City_Gold
Being reported on the LOTS website that London United have ordered a substantial number of electric double deckers for the 94 at Shepherds Bush. They are being quoted as arriving in the first half of 2020 along with the electric buses that Abellio are expecting.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
25/N25 Tower Transit Stagecoach East London 31 new Euro VI Hybrid Double Decker
282 Metroline West Metroline West 16 *2013 Hybrid Double Decker
425 Tower Transit Stagecoach East London 21 new Euro VI Hybrid Double Decker
482 Metroline West Abellio West 8 new Euro VI Hybrid Double Decker
G1 London General London General 13 2015 Euro VI single decker
* Already upgraded to Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
7th March 2020: Route 282.
21st March 2020: Route 482.
2nd May 2020: Route G1.
23rd May 2020: Route 25/N25.
4th July 2020: Route 425.
Nice big chunk of work won by Stagecoach East London + Abellio's winning streak continuing.
I suspect the review of their sites in London will be held back by Stagecoach following this win. It's a big loss for Tower Transit which equates to about a SIXTH of the Lea Bridge allocation in one hit.
Quote from: markcf83 on July 24, 2019, 03:46:28 PM
I suspect the review of their sites in London will be held back by Stagecoach following this win. It's a big loss for Tower Transit which equates to about a SIXTH of the Lea Bridge allocation in one hit.
What were Stagecoach reviewing? consolidating the number of depots / to cut costs? I understand competition for routes is fierce in the East and thus prices/profit margins much tighter. Stagecoach said in their recent results that they were looking at ways to be able to bid more competitively, whatever they've changed seems to have worked in this round at least!
Quote from: markcf83 on July 24, 2019, 03:46:28 PM
I suspect the review of their sites in London will be held back by Stagecoach following this win. It's a big loss for Tower Transit which equates to about a SIXTH of the Lea Bridge allocation in one hit.
It is looking like nearly a quarter
@markcf83 , the current Lea Interchange PVR is 215 and they are loosing 52 so a big big loss for TT.
Quote from: Winston on July 24, 2019, 03:54:39 PM
What were Stagecoach reviewing? consolidating the number of depots / to cut costs? I understand competition for routes is fierce in the East and thus prices/profit margins much tighter.
Exactly that Winston, though the winning of the 25/425 might be seen as a reprieve for West Ham.
Quote from: markcf83 on July 24, 2019, 07:35:00 PM
Exactly that Winston, though the winning of the 25/425 might be seen as a reprieve for West Ham.
Is West Ham well down allocation wise vs capacity ?
Lost track on London of late.
Quote from: Winston on July 24, 2019, 07:45:11 PM
Is West Ham well down allocation wise vs capacity ?
Lost track on London of late.
West Hams current PVR is 93
@Winston so out of the Stagecoach East London garages it is second only beaten by Barking with a PVR of 96.
Quote from: Winston on July 24, 2019, 07:45:11 PM
Is West Ham well down allocation wise vs capacity ?
Lost track on London of late.
Operating at half the capacity.
Quote from: markcf83 on July 25, 2019, 05:06:27 PM
Operating at half the capacity.
Isn't West Ham a super garage? i.e. Max capacity 250+?
Quote from: Winston on July 25, 2019, 05:10:44 PM
Isn't West Ham a super garage? i.e. Max capacity 250+?
Yes it is
Have heard it all now.
Just been told that from the 9th August, New Routemasters on route 8 will allow boarding by the front door only whilst people can only alight from the centre door. The rear door will be locked out of use!!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 30, 2019, 02:10:04 PM
Have heard it all now.
Just been told that from the 9th August, New Routemasters on route 8 will allow boarding by the front door only whilst people can only alight from the centre door. The rear door will be locked out of use!!
Passengers are not tapping in when they get on the centre and rear doors, with TfL's "excellent" financial management; the Mayor of London's fares freeze and then introducing the hopper ticket where for £1.50 you can have as many journeys as you can in one hour; TfL are broke and they need all the money they can get.
On the London's Transport Yahoo group a Metroline driver posted: "One day when I was on 91's I had the same LT all duty, the end waybill said 112 validations (that's from all three readers), the next day I had the same duty but I had a TE (E400), everyone had to come on the front, end of duty 345 validations! The amount of people that asked me is the next bus a free bus was nearly every other stop after Euston! Worst bus ever concept design 100 percent crap! I had to come off the route because of that bus!"
Quote from: Ian Hardy on July 30, 2019, 09:43:16 PM
Passengers are not tapping in when they get on the centre and rear doors, with TfL's "excellent" financial management; the Mayor of London's fares freeze and then introducing the hopper ticket where for £1.50 you can have as many journeys as you can in one hour; TfL are broke and they need all the money they can get.
On the London's Transport Yahoo group a Metroline driver posted: "One day when I was on 91's I had the same LT all duty, the end waybill said 112 validations (that's from all three readers), the next day I had the same duty but I had a TE (E400), everyone had to come on the front, end of duty 345 validations! The amount of people that asked me is the next bus a free bus was nearly every other stop after Euston! Worst bus ever concept design 100 percent crap! I had to come off the route because of that bus!"
Yes, but I do wonder whether TFL can run the buses with the rear door locked out of use, in an emergency people would run down the stairs only to be greeted by a locked door and so delaying them getting off the bus!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 30, 2019, 09:58:17 PM
Yes, but I do wonder whether TFL can run the buses with the rear door locked out of use, in an emergency people would run down the stairs only to be greeted by a locked door and so delaying them getting off the bus!
I'd think that the rear doors would not be classed as emergency exits as the bus does already have sufficient emergency exits elsewhere on it like any normal bus, so they could shut this exit surely.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
218 N/A (new route) Tower Transit 11 Existing Single Decker
278 N/A (new route) Abellio West London 10 Existing Single Decker
285* London United Abellio West London 15 New Euro VI Hybrid Decker
427 Abellio West London Abellio West London tbc 2017 Euro VI Hybrid Decker
* 24 hour route.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
7th December 2019: Routes 218 & 278.
11th April 2020: Route 427.
27th June 2020: Route 285.
Wonder where Tower and Abellio are to source the buses for the 218/278 given they have very few spare now....
Quote from: markcf83 on August 15, 2019, 05:22:26 PM
Wonder where Tower and Abellio are to source the buses for the 218/278 given they have very few spare now....
Tower Transit has the 8 hydrogen buses spare now the RV1 has been withdrawn, these are being used on the 444 so the Streetlites are spare.
Abellio are converting the 407 to double deck on 24th August (PVR 16), the 10.8m E200s are going to move to 490 so there will be some spare 10.1m E200.
Tower Transit lose the 444 (which has a PVR of 11) to Go Ahead on 7th March 2020
Abellio have won a new contract on C10 with electric buses from 21st March 2020 so the E200MMCs that are currently on the route will be spare, the C10 PVR is 20.
The 218 is Hammersmith to North Acton and the 278 is Heathrow Central to Ruislip.
Quote from: Ian Hardy on August 15, 2019, 09:37:19 PM
Tower Transit has the 8 hydrogen buses spare now the RV1 has been withdrawn, these are being used on the 444 so the Streetlites are spare.
Abellio are converting the 407 to double deck on 24th August (PVR 16), the 10.8m E200s are going to move to 490 so there will be some spare 10.1m E200.
Tower Transit lose the 444 (which has a PVR of 11) to Go Ahead on 7th March 2020
Abellio have won a new contract on C10 with electric buses from 21st March 2020 so the E200MMCs that are currently on the route will be spare, the C10 PVR is 20.
Ooops, the 278 needs double deckers so ignore the comment about the 407 & C10. Abellio's routes 3 & 45 were shortened in the Central London reorg so there are spare double deckers.
Quote from: Ian Hardy on August 16, 2019, 09:33:19 AM
Ooops, the 278 needs double deckers so ignore the comment about the 407 & C10. Abellio's routes 3 & 45 were shortened in the Central London reorg so there are spare double deckers.
Ooops from me as well, the 278 should have read Double Decker in my original post.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
271* Metroline Metroline 14 Existing Hybrid double decker (a)
331 Metroline West Metroline West 8 2015 Euro VI diesel single deck
460 Metroline Metroline 10 2015 Euro VI diesel single deck
498 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 6 2015 Euro VI diesel single deck
499 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 7 2015 Euro VI diesel single deck
K1 Abellio West London London United 14 New Euro VI diesel single deck (b)
* 24 hour route.
(a) Euro V & Euro VI built 2012 - 2014. Euro V vehicles will be upgraded to Euro VI.
(b) Two vehicles built 2014.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
4th April 2020: Route 271.
27th June 2020: Routes 460, 498, 499 & K1.
4th July 2020: Route 331.
A London liveried AD Enviro 400 EV City is currently parked on the Stratford Road just south of Robin Hood Island. On trade plates, not sure if this was at the NEC show a week or so ago?
Quote from: Cheese on October 12, 2019, 11:04:10 AM
A London liveried AD Enviro 400 EV City is currently parked on the Stratford Road just south of Robin Hood Island. On trade plates, not sure if this was at the NEC show a week or so ago?
On loan to NXWM being tested on the 6 route ready for when the new ones arrive. (No passengers)
TfL has published their Tendering Programme for 2021-2022:
https://tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/uploads/forms/lbsl-tendering-programme-2021-2022.pdf
There is also more Bus Tender information on this TfL webpage:
https://tfl.gov.uk/forms/13923.aspx
Ian Hardy
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
23 Tower Transit Tower Transit 24 New Electric Double Decker
139 London Sovereign Metroline 23 New & Existing hybrid vehicles
202 Metrobus Arriva London (south) 15 New hybrid double decker
319* Arriva London (south) Arriva London (south) 19 New electric double decker
326 Metroline Metroline 7 Existing diesel single decker
405 Metrobus Arriva London (south) 9 New hybrid double decker
466 Arriva London (south) Arriva London (south) 19 Existing diesel double decker
C3 Abellio London Tower Transit 9 New Electric double decker
N5** Metroline London Sovereign n/a Existing hybrid double decker
N20 Metroline Metroline n/a existing hybrid double decker
* 24 hour route (319 weekends only).
** Night only routes using buses sourced from day routes.
All diesel & hybrid vehicles will meet Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
25th July 2020: Routes 23, 326, N5 & N20.
29th August 2020: Route 139, 405 & 466.
12th September 2020: Route 319.
19th September 2020: Route 202.
3rd October 2020: Route C3,
24th October 2020: Route 324
Electric vehicles may enter service later than these dates owing to infrastructure delivery timescales.
Heard that the 202 is going to be run by Norwood. Presumably the 405 will be run by Croydon.
Perhaps the new outstation on Beddington Farm Road, Croydon will be emptied of withdrawn vehicles so that there could be a shuffle of routes between N, TC & TH to make room for the 202 & 405 at N & TC.
Unofficially I've heard there is room at both garages mentioned for the work. Remember Croydon lost the 403 not that long ago and Norwood's buses are parked in a yard next to the garage which is quite substantial in size.
More tender news from London. Route 246 returns to Stagecoach at Bromley from GoAhead London, who gain the 354 by way of return. Metrobus, who fall into GoAhead London so far as TfL and contracts are concerned, have held the 352 and 358-the latter due to get new electric buses. Arriva London has held onto the 312 at Croydon. All of these are due to start in September 2020-route 312 on the 5th and the rest on the 19th.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
173 Arriva London North Stagecoach East London 16 New Electric Double Decker
174 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London TBC New Electric Double Decker
256 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 12 Existing Diesel Double Deck
296* Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 8 Existing Diesel Single Deck
347 Arriva London North Arriva London North 1 Existing Diesel Single Deck
365(24hr) Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 11 Existing Diesel Double Deck
496 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 8 Existing Diesel Double Deck
673** Arriva London North Stagecoach East London 0 New Electric Double Decker
674 Blue Triangle Stagecoach East London 1 New Electric Double Decker
675 Lonon General Arriva London North 1 Existing Hybrid Double Deck
692/699 Sullivan Buses UNO Buses 3 Existing Electric Double Decker (Possibly from Metroline)
* Operates 24 hours at weekends only.
** Uses bus crosslinked from route 173.
All diesel & hybrid vehicles will meet Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
26th September 2020: Routes 256 & 365.
17th October 2020: Routes 173, 174, 296, 347, 496, 673, 674 & 675.
21st November 2020: Route 692/699.
New electric vehicles may enter service later than these dates owing to infrastructure delivery timescales.
Can see Rainham running the 173 given they already run the 174. The displaced Enviros currently on the 174 will probably replace the bulk of the Scanias at Rainham which generally operate the 248,252 and 365.
After a succesfull trial on the 8 route, all New Routemaster buses are to altered so that entrance is only permitted via the front door (except for pushchairs and wheelchairs) and exit from the centre door. Rear doors will be no longer used.
This is to be phased in over the next few months with the 55 and 267 being converted last Saturday.
As someone who was 5 & changing buses with mum & dad in the Bull Ring Bus Station coming back from my Aunties 40th Birthday in Sutton as the bombs went off just after 8pm waiting for the 140 I always have such sympathy with terrorist acts and always attend the Citys memorial service I feel for the people of Chuka Umanures old constituency of Streatham but there are amazing sences on the BBC NEWS CHANNEL of a convoy of TfL buses within the crime scene my thoughts are with those caught up in this horrific terrorist incident
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
306 London United Metroline 11 Double Deckers (TBC)
385 HCT Group HCT Group 1 Existing Diesel Single Decker
654 Metroline Metroline 1 Existing Diesel Single Decker
All the vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
17th October 2020: Route 385.
24th October 2020: Route 654.
12th December 2020: Route 306.
From this coming weekend all routes that are run using NB4L buses by Abellio and Metroline will become front door only boarding in line with routes 8,55 and 267.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
200 London General London General 15 Existing Hybrid Decker
283 London United London United 10 Existing Diesel Single Decker
456 London General (W10) London General 5 Existing Diesel Single Decker
649/50/1 Blue Triangle Blue Triangle 9 Existing Hybrid Decker
S4 Abellio London Abellio London 6 Existing Diesel Single Decker
The vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards.
Route 456 replaces current route W10. The provisional start date is 17th October 2020, subject to confirmation
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
5th December 2020: Route S4.
2nd January 2021: Route 649/650/651.
20th February 2021: Route 200.
27th February 2021: Route 283.
Wonder how much TfL are losing in revenue at the moment, as they're operating a free service because of middle door only boarding/alighting? Obviously all operators around the country are losing money, but they are still charging for journeys wether TfL isn't.
Quote from: NXWMFAN1105 on May 01, 2020, 12:20:40 PM
Wonder how much TfL are losing in revenue at the moment, as they're operating a free service because of middle door only boarding/alighting? Obviously all operators around the country are losing money, but they are still charging for journeys wether TfL isn't.
What makes you think TfL are operating a 'free service'? From memory, there are Oyster readers by the middle doors too.
Quote from: Stu on May 01, 2020, 07:35:06 PM
What makes you think TfL are operating a 'free service'? From memory, there are Oyster readers by the middle doors too.
There used to be oyster readers on the middle doors on New Routemasters until they were switched off earlier this year to tackle the rise in fare evasion. Taken from TfL website: "During the period of these temporary arrangements where passengers enter through the middle-doors, they will not be required to touch in. Customers should not approach the card reader near the driver's cab." So basically, they are operating a free service as you can't touch in.
I would guess that regular passengers who use the buses for work would have some kind of travel card loaded onto their oyster. So there's still revenue there.
All other people should only be making the most essential journeys only, so whilst there will be lost revenue, it may not be as high as we think.
Most people in London only use contactless now, getting a pass commits you in advance. As most people only catch 2 buses a day so that would be £3.00 on contactless, so in a week it would be £15 where as a 7 Day Bus & Tram Pass is £6.20 more at £21.20. £21.20 is the weekly bus cap so if you did more than 2 journeys a day you would only ever pay the bus pass price, but if you for some reason did not travel as much then the money is in your pocket and not TfL's.
https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/find-fares/bus-and-tram-fares?intcmp=54718#on-this-page-6 (https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/find-fares/bus-and-tram-fares?intcmp=54718#on-this-page-6)
Adult
You can travel using pay as you go with contactless (card or device) or your Oyster card.
Pay as you go £1.50 (with unlimited changes in 1 hour)
Daily cap £4.50
Weekly cap (Monday to Sunday) £21.20
You can also travel using your Oyster card with a 7 Day, Monthly and Annual Bus & Tram Pass.
One Day Bus & Tram Pass £5.00
7 Day Bus & Tram Pass £21.20
Monthly Bus & Tram Pass £81.50
Annual Bus & Tram Pass £848
Thank you Ian for that explanation.
TfL don't only get revenue from buses - card readers are on platforms for trams and stations or platforms for tube and rail.
I seem to remember that centre door buses have card readers for disabled people to use, near the centre doors. I presume they're not running single door E200s and the like currently?
If you look at the travel graphs (which are probably available on line) on the COBRA coronavirus briefings you will see the percentage of normal travel currently being recorded by various modes - national rail appears to be in the low single figures, and nothing else (except all motor vehicles) is above 20%.
Many people use contactless to pay on TfL services. Many others use Travelcards to travel from outside the TfL area which are valid on all zones (or certain zones). I keep an Oyster card topped up just in case I need to use it.
The main reduction in TfL revenue would be caused by the reduction in travel use.
Quote from: don on May 03, 2020, 12:46:52 PM
I seem to remember that centre door buses have card readers for disabled people to use, near the centre doors.
New Bus For London and New Routemaster buses had readers in the centre and at the rear as three door loading was allowed. This was in the process of being changed to front door loading only, so I'm not even sure if the readers are still fitted or not. No other buses have readers at the centre door.
Quote from: don on May 03, 2020, 12:46:52 PM
I seem to remember that centre door buses have card readers for disabled people to use, near the centre doors. I presume they're not running single door E200s and the like currently?
The main reduction in TfL revenue would be caused by the reduction in travel use.
There are some TfL routes where nothing longer than a 9m E200 will fit due to a restriction of some sort, these routes are still being run with single door buses e.g. the H20 whereas the 481 which normally has 9m E200s, 10.2m dual door E200s will fit so that is what is being used at present (seen from my weekly visits to Tesco).
With reference to the reduction in TfL revenue, not charging the people who are still using the buses is not helping cashflow at a time when transport operators need every penny they can get, is in my view is stupid.
But so is also still operating full Saturday or Sunday timetables. On the H20 (which currently has a Saturday timetable on M-F) http://www.londonbusroutes.net/times/H20.htm (http://www.londonbusroutes.net/times/H20.htm), the loading on Thursday mornings at about 08:15 on the H20 is been no higher than 3 people and when I am walking home from Tesco's at about 09:00 an H20 passes me and the last few weeks has had a loading of just the driver.
Quote from: Gareth on May 03, 2020, 02:50:31 PM
New Bus For London and New Routemaster buses had readers in the centre and at the rear as three door loading was allowed. This was in the process of being changed to front door loading only, so I'm not even sure if the readers are still fitted or not. No other buses have readers at the centre door.
They're still fitted, albeit decommissioned, from what I saw on one of my last visits last December (when they began trials of front door boarding on the 8 )
I believe the only other buses to have card readers at the centre door are the Red Arrow BYD E200s for the 507/521
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
162 Metrobus Metrobus 11 Existing Diesel Single Deck
184 Arriva London Nth London General 20 New Electric Single Deck *
229 Arriva London Nth Arriva London Nth 20 Existing Diesel Double Deck
367 Abellio London Abellio London 10 Existing Diesel Single Deck
469 Arriva London Nth London Central 9 Existing Diesel Single Deck
484 Abellio London London Central 11 New Electric Single Deck
492 Arriva London Nth Arriva London Nth TBC Existing Double Deck
616 London General HCT Group 2 New Electric Double Deck **
B12 Arriva London Nth London Central 7 Existing Diesel Single Deck
* One vehicle is an existing hybrid double deck.
** Operationally exchanged with 2 existing hybrids from route 20.
All the diesel & hybrid vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
23rd January 2021: Routes 229, 469, 492 & B12.
6th February 2021: Routes 184 & 616.
20th March 2021: Routes 162, 367 & 484.
In addition, it is confirmed that Route 200, the award of which to London General was announced on 23rd April 2020 for commencement on 20th February 2021, will now be operated by new electric double deck vehicles.
In all cases, new electric vehicles may enter service later than these dates owing to infrastructure and/ or vehicle delivery timescales.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
28/N28 Tower Transit London Sovereign 19 Existing Hybrid Double Decker
69 (24h) Tower Transit Dockland Buses 18 New electric double deck
315 London General Abellio London 4 Existing diesel single deck
463 Quality Line Quality Line 9 Existing diesel single deck
633 Quality Line Metrobus 2 Existing diesel double deck
639/670 London General London United 2 Existing Hybrid double deck
687 Blue Triangle Blue Triangle 1 Existing diesel double deck
All the diesel & hybrid vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
3rd April 2021: Routes 463 & 633.
1st May 2021: Routes 28/N28, 69, 315 & 687.
5th June 2021: Route 639/670.
The new electric vehicles for route 69 may enter service after the contract start date owing to infrastructure and/ or vehicle delivery timescales.
Double trouble for Tower then.
It seems strange that London Sovereign has won the 28/N28 as their nearest depot is Edgware. London United has Park Royal, Shepherds Bush and Stamford Brook which are far closer to the route than ever Edgware is.
Quote from: Ian Hardy on July 17, 2020, 03:59:57 PM
It seems strange that London Sovereign has won the 28/N28 as their nearest depot is Edgware. London United has Park Royal, Shepherds Bush and Stamford Brook which are far closer to the route than ever Edgware is.
Edgware is about to lose the 139 to Metroline, so they'll have about 20 hybrids kicking around.
Quote from: markcf83 on July 17, 2020, 05:29:13 PM
Edgware is about to lose the 139 to Metroline, so they'll have about 20 hybrids kicking around.
23 VHs
My question was considering that London Sovereign's nearest garage to the 28 is Edgware which is 7 miles from Kensal Rise Station, whereas London United's Park Royal garage is only 2 miles away.
How can RATP have been able to put in a cheaper bid than Tower Transit with Westbourne Park Garage being only 1.5 miles from Kensal Rise Station, when RATP will have a minimum of 14 miles of dead run for each bus?
Quote from: Ian Hardy on July 17, 2020, 09:49:14 PM
23 VHs
My question was considering that London Sovereign's nearest garage to the 28 is Edgware which is 7 miles from Kensal Rise Station, whereas London United's Park Royal garage is only 2 miles away.
How can RATP have been able to put in a cheaper bid than Tower Transit with Westbourne Park Garage being only 1.5 miles from Kensal Rise Station, when RATP will have a minimum of 14 miles of dead run for each bus?
Sovereign currently run the 139 (and the 13 before that) from Edgware which means empty running of around 6 miles, so I suppose there isn't a lot in it.
I wonder what will happen to the drivers and buses given that LS loose the 139 in August and the new contract on the 28 doesn't begin till May?
Slightly old news but the Regional MD of Arriva has announced the closure of Stamford Hill garage due to take place In October.
The reason for this is the loss of services 67, 106 & 230 in recent tender awards and the need to rebalance capacities.
The 73/N73 will move to Clapton garage whilst the 253/N253 will move to Ash Grove and the 318 to Tottenham,
It is rumoured that the 28 and N28 are to run from the OLST garage at Wandsworth. RATP,the parent company of London United, also has responsibility for OLST as well. Incidentally in LT days the 28 ran out of Wandsworth so it kind of returns home. Must stress that it's not confirmed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53929510
Quote from: JoNi on August 28, 2020, 07:46:58 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53929510
I guess this is similar to how NXWM have changed the registration on all their school-specific services to be not open to the general public.
Is there a London Bus forum similar to the one here? Asking for a friend?
Quote from: Busboy105 on September 01, 2020, 02:39:37 PM
Is there a London Bus forum similar to the one here? Asking for a friend?
Never seen a London Bus Forum like this one, but there are several google groups that I belong to, "londonstransport" being one of them
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on September 01, 2020, 02:49:22 PM
Never seen a London Bus Forum like this one, but there are several google groups that I belong to, "londonstransport" being one of them
Ok thanks.
Quote from: Busboy105 on September 01, 2020, 02:39:37 PM
Is there a London Bus forum similar to the one here? Asking for a friend?
Here:
https://tangytango.proboards.com/
Some interesting awards catching up with some overdue announcements, the delays are likely to be related to TfL's budget problems
Notification of Tender Results
3rd November 2020
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
7/N7 Metroline Metroline 18 Double deck (details TBC)
65/N65 London United London United 28 New electric double deck*
71 London United London United 12 Existing hybrid double deck
112 Metroline Metroline 16 Existing diesel single deck
140/N140 Metroline Metroline 21 Existing hybrid double deck
146 Stagecoach Selkent Stagecoach Selkent 1 Existing diesel single deck
182 Metroline Metroline 23 Existing hybrid double deck
183 (24h w/e) London Sovereign London Sovereign 24 New electric double deck*
281 (24h) London United London United 20 New electric double deck*
290 Abellio West London London United 7 New electric single deck*
328 Tower Transit Metroline 19 Double deck (details TBC)
336 Stagecoach Selkent Stagecoach Selkent 11 Existing diesel single deck
371 London United London United 13 New electric single & double deck*
398 London United London Sovereign 3 New electric single deck
418 London United London United 7 Existing hybrid double deck
467 Quality Line Quality Line 2 Existing diesel double deck
481 Abellio West London London United 5 Existing hybrid double deck
697 London United London United 3 Existing diesel double deck
698 London United London Sovereign 5 Existing hybrid double deck
E1 (24h w/e) Abellio West London London United 11 Existing hybrid double deck
E9 Abellio West London Metroline 8 Existing diesel & hybrid double deck
H9/H10 London Sovereign London Sovereign 16 New electric single deck
K5 London United London United 6 Existing diesel single deck
P13 Abellio London Abellio London 12 Existing diesel single deck
X140 Metroline London Sovereign 10 New electric double deck*
* Certain journeys will be operated by Euro VI hybrid double decks or Euro VI diesel single decks.
All the diesel & hybrid vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
1st May 2021: Route 328.
8th May 2021: Route 481.
29th May 2021: Routes E1 & E9.
19th June 2021: Route 7/N7.
26th June 2021: Route 418.
3rd July 2021: Routes 65/N65, 71, 281, 371 & K5.
31st July 2021: Route 112.
21st August 2021: Routes 146 & 336.
4th September 2021: Routes 140/N140, 182, 183, 398, 467, 697, 698, H9/H10 & X140.
2nd October 2021: Route 290.
9th October 2021: Route P13.
New electric vehicles may enter service after the contract start date dependent on infrastructure and/ or vehicle delivery timescales.
Does anyone know what is up with Holloway's NBFL LT755?
It has not been out since the end of March.
I am currently trying to complete my photo set of all NBFLs, I now up to 979 out of 1000, the other 20 I need are all regularly out is service. It last operated a 390 board up to 00:30 and apparently is still in DKNY allover advert livery
Quote from: Tony on November 20, 2020, 07:21:08 PM
Does anyone know what is up with Holloway's NBFL LT755?
It has not been out since the end of March.
I am currently trying to complete my photo set of all NBFLs, I now up to 979 out of 1000, the other 20 I need are all regularly out is service. It last operated a 390 board up to 00:30 and apparently is still in DKNY allover advert livery
It is isolating as it has COVID-19 symptoms:-)
Notification of Tender Results
23 November 2020
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
49 Abellio London London United 15 New electric double deck
63/N63 London Central Abellio London 26 New electric double deck**
132* London Central London Central 16 New electric double deck
156 Abellio London Abellio London 15 Existing hybrid double deck
160/660 Arriva London North Stagecoach Selkent 13 New electric double deck
180 London Central Stagecoach Selkent 17 New electric & existing hybrid double deck
332 Metroline Metroline 15 Existing hybrid double deck
344 (24h) Abellio London Abellio London 21 Existing hybrid double deck
414 Abellio London Tower Transit TBC Existing hybrid double deck
* 24 hr route at weekends only.
** N63 operated by existing hybrids.
All the diesel & hybrid vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards. New electric vehicles may enter service after the contract start date dependent on infrastructure and/ or vehicle delivery timescales.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
21st August 2021: Route 344.
4th September 2021: Routes 49.
11th September 2021: Route 156.
18th September 2021: Route 160/660.
2nd October 2021: Routes 132 & 180.
9th October 2021: Route 332.
13th November 2021: Route 63/N63.
20th November 2021: Route 414.
London United ordering a lot of electric buses then when you consider other recent tenders.
News from London is that RATP are to close their Epsom garage. Routes are being split between Tolworth and Go Ahead London. The closure is effective in June.
Quote from: markcf83 on January 06, 2021, 06:03:28 PM
News from London is that RATP are to close their Epsom garage. Routes are being split between Tolworth and Go Ahead London. The closure is effective in June.
They ruined Quality Line. It was a decent small bus company before the takeover.
Quote from: Busboy105 on January 06, 2021, 06:44:43 PM
They ruined Quality Line. It was a decent small bus company before the takeover.
I think that RATP has been having staffing problems at Epsom pretty much since they it took over. Not sure of the reasons why.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
313 Arriva London North Arriva London North 8 Existing New Routemaster
606 Metroline Sullivan Buses 2 Existing Diesel Double Deck
645* Arriva London South Arriva London South 2 Existing Diesel Double Deck
* Currently numbered 405D.
The vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
24th July 2021: Route 606.
30th October 2021: Route 645.
6th November 2021: Route 313
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 12, 2021, 12:20:45 AM
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
313 Arriva London North Arriva London North 8 Existing New Routemaster
606 Metroline Sullivan Buses 2 Existing Diesel Double Deck
645* Arriva London South Arriva London South 2 Existing Diesel Double Deck
* Currently numbered 405D.
The vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
24th July 2021: Route 606.
30th October 2021: Route 645.
6th November 2021: Route 313
If the 313 wasn't converted to LT's, I'm pretty sure that the 313 will be with GAL.
Quote from: Busboy105 on January 12, 2021, 12:18:49 PM
If the 313 wasn't converted to LT's, I'm pretty sure that the 313 will be with GAL.
The fact it is LTs makes no difference whatsoever
Quote from: Busboy105 on January 12, 2021, 12:18:49 PM
If the 313 wasn't converted to LT's, I'm pretty sure that the 313 will be with GAL.
Why GAL?
Quote from: Pat on January 12, 2021, 12:40:09 PM
Why GAL?
It's the one that's most likely considering they've had the upper hand on Arriva due to them investing heavily in electric vehicles.
Quote from: Tony on January 12, 2021, 12:38:23 PM
The fact it is LTs makes no difference whatsoever
It does actually. It means that Arriva could go in with a lower bid than GAL or other operators would've done with electrics.
Quote from: Busboy105 on January 12, 2021, 02:48:43 PM
It does actually. It means that Arriva could go in with a lower bid than GAL or other operators would've done with electrics.
The LTs aren't electric. The past few years have seen some of the smaller operators e.g Sullivan take over a few tenders in North London, so it may have been likely that they'd submit a bid
Quote from: Pat on January 12, 2021, 02:59:20 PM
The LTs aren't electric. The past few years have seen some of the smaller operators e.g Sullivan take over a few tenders in North London, so it may have been likely that they'd submit a bid
That is true yes.
Quote from: Busboy105 on January 12, 2021, 03:00:46 PM
That is true yes.
I was rather surprised that the 313 was allocated LTs. That said though, the Exxx buses that they replaced weren't the best anyway
Quote from: Busboy105 on January 12, 2021, 02:48:43 PM
It does actually. It means that Arriva could go in with a lower bid than GAL or other operators would've done with electrics.
Not at all, any operator could have bid using LTs, and if TfL would have wanted electrics, again any operator could bid.
Quote from: Tony on November 20, 2020, 07:21:08 PM
Does anyone know what is up with Holloway's NBFL LT755?
It has not been out since the end of March.
I am currently trying to complete my photo set of all NBFLs, I now up to 979 out of 1000, the other 20 I need are all regularly out is service. It last operated a 390 board up to 00:30 and apparently is still in DKNY allover advert livery
@Tony LT755 is now back in service, on a 91 board today still apparently in DKNY livery although it has a red front after an accident.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 25, 2021, 05:18:35 PM
@Tony LT755 is now back in service, on a 91 board today still apparently in DKNY livery although it has a red front after an accident.
Thanks, yes I found out it had been back to Wrights for a new front.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
125 Metroline London Sovereign 17 New Electric Double Decker*
234 Metroline Metroline 9 Existing Diesel Single Decker
235 Metroline London United 20 New Electric Single Decker
298 Sullivan Buses Sullivan Buses 6 Existing Diesel Single Decker**
488 Tower Transit Tower Transit 9 Existing Diesel Single Decker
696 London United London Sovereign 2 Existing Diesel Double Decker
W9 Sullivan Buses Sullivan Buses 7 Existing Diesel Single Decker
* Certain journeys will be operated by Euro VI hybrid double decks.
** One vehicle is double deck.
All diesel vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
8th January 2022: Route 235.
22nd January 2022: Route 696.
29th January 2022: Routes 125 & 234.
5th February 2022: Routes 298 & W9.
26th February 2022: Route 488.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 08, 2021, 05:22:54 PM
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
125 Metroline London Sovereign 17 New Electric Double Decker*
234 Metroline Metroline 9 Existing Diesel Single Decker
235 Metroline London United 20 New Electric Single Decker
298 Sullivan Buses Sullivan Buses 6 Existing Diesel Single Decker**
488 Tower Transit Tower Transit 9 Existing Diesel Single Decker
696 London United London Sovereign 2 Existing Diesel Double Decker
W9 Sullivan Buses Sullivan Buses 7 Existing Diesel Single Decker
* Certain journeys will be operated by Euro VI hybrid double decks.
** One vehicle is double deck.
All diesel vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
8th January 2022: Route 235.
22nd January 2022: Route 696.
29th January 2022: Routes 125 & 234.
5th February 2022: Routes 298 & W9.
26th February 2022: Route 488.
RATP big winners here.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on February 08, 2021, 05:22:54 PM
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
125 Metroline London Sovereign 17 New Electric Double Decker*
235 Metroline London United 20 New Electric Single Decker
* Certain journeys will be operated by Euro VI hybrid double decks.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
8th January 2022: Route 235.
29th January 2022: Route 125.
Hounslow for the 235,Edgware the 125.
Quote from: markcf83 on February 08, 2021, 06:53:43 PM
Hounslow for the 235,Edgware the 125.
RATP have announced to their staff that the 235 is going to be operated from Hounslow Heath (HH) and not Hounslow (AV).
To be fair, it's got the room.....
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
308 Tower Transit Tower Transit 13 Existing Hybrid Double Deck
413 Metrobus* Metrobus 8 Single Deck (Details TBC)
507 London General London General TBC Existing electric single deck
521 London General London General TBC Existing electric single deck
646 Blue Triangle Blue Triangle 2 Existing Diesel single deck
* Contract to be novated from Quality Line on 3rd July 2021.
All diesel and hybrid vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
28th August 2021: Routes 507 & 521.
4th September 2021: Route 646.
4th December 2021: Route 413.
5th March 2022: Route 308.
Changes to the Red Arrow routes,what remains of them,could in theory release electric buses for the 358. I stress the word could.....
Quote from: markcf83 on March 15, 2021, 11:22:11 PM
Changes to the Red Arrow routes,what remains of them,could in theory release electric buses for the 358. I stress the word could.....
As the 521 (PVR = 32) doesn't run on a Saturday or Sunday, am surprised they have never done anything with the spare electric singles instead of letting them stand idle all weekend.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on March 16, 2021, 01:05:10 PM
As the 521 (PVR = 32) doesn't run on a Saturday or Sunday, am surprised they have never done anything with the spare electric singles instead of letting them stand idle all weekend.
Main reason - the depot has a condition of planning permission that it can't be used at weekends
Secondary reason - the batteries will have half a chance of lasting a decent amount of time before needing to be replaced!
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
W15 Tower Transit London General 21 Electric Single Deck
The above contract will commence on the 5th March 2022.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 10, 2021, 05:11:06 PM
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
W15 Tower Transit London General 21 Electric Single Deck
The above contract will commence on the 5th March 2022.
Have heard that Northumberland Park is set to run the W15. It will mean yet more electric buses will run from there.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
148(24hr) London United London United 17 Existing New Routemaster
415 Abellio London Abellio London 9 Existing New Routemaster
432 London General Arriva London South 12 Existing Hybrid Double Deck
549 Stagecoach East London Sullivan Buses 1 Existing Diesel Single Decker
U5 Abellio West London Abellio West London 11 New Electric Double Deck *
All diesel and hybrid vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards.
* Certain journeys will be operated by Euro VI hybrid double decks.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
2nd October 2021: Route 148.
5th March 2022: Route 415.
12th March 2022: Route 549.
19th March 2022: Route U5.
2nd April 2022: Route 432.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 21, 2021, 03:23:45 PM
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
148(24hr) London United London United 17 Existing New Routemaster
415 Abellio London Abellio London 9 Existing New Routemaster
432 London General Arriva London South 12 Existing Hybrid Double Deck
549 Stagecoach East London Sullivan Buses 1 Existing Diesel Single Decker
U5 Abellio West London Abellio West London 11 New Electric Double Deck *
Presumably the 432 will return to Norwood. There'll be quite a bit of dead running on the 549 given Sullivan's base is at Potters Bar.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 21, 2021, 03:23:45 PM
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
148(24hr) London United London United 17 Existing New Routemaster
415 Abellio London Abellio London 9 Existing New Routemaster
432 London General Arriva London South 12 Existing Hybrid Double Deck
549 Stagecoach East London Sullivan Buses 1 Existing Diesel Single Decker
U5 Abellio West London Abellio West London 11 New Electric Double Deck *
All diesel and hybrid vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards.
* Certain journeys will be operated by Euro VI hybrid double decks.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
2nd October 2021: Route 148.
5th March 2022: Route 415.
12th March 2022: Route 549.
19th March 2022: Route U5.
2nd April 2022: Route 432.
Looks like there isn't going to be any electrics for the 148.
Quote from: Busboy105 on May 21, 2021, 05:57:29 PM
Looks like there isn't going to be any electrics for the 148.
Why would there be when it is a NRM route?
Quote from: Tony on May 21, 2021, 06:06:06 PM
Why would there be when it is a NRM route?
I remember reading something that there was a possibility that the 148 could get electrics when it got retendered. Probably was just some stupid rumour.
Quote from: Busboy105 on May 21, 2021, 07:39:01 PM
I remember reading something that there was a possibility that the 148 could get electrics when it got retendered. Probably was just some stupid rumour.
The reason that those rumours started was that a few years ago RATP stated that Shepherds Bush Garage would become an all electric garage. Whether this is still RATP's plan, who knows?
Currently S operates the following routes 70 72 94 148 C1 with only the 72 and 148 not being electric buses.
The 72 is a problem because of the long term closure of Hammersmith Bridge.
Now that the 148 has been announced to be continuing with LTs, S will not become all electric unless RATP move the 148 to Stamford Brook (to be with their other 2 LT routes 9 & 211) and something is done with the 72?
Looks like the 148 is to get a reduction in PVR if the 17 is true as the current PVR is 24.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 22, 2021, 08:22:54 PM
Looks like the 148 is to get a reduction in PVR if the 17 is true as the current PVR is 24.
Yes the PVR cut of 7 is true, it will be one of the first of many cuts as in January 2021 TfL announced that Bus mileage is to be cut by 4% over next 3 years. The 49 & 344 have reductions planned from the start of their new contracts:
49 PVR of 19 down to 15 in September 21
344 PVR of 25 down to 21 in August 21
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
55/N55 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 33 Existing New Routemaster
56 Stagecoach East London Stagecoach East London 19 Existing Hybrid Double Deck
322 London General Abellio London 10 New Electric Single Deck
350 Abellio West London Abellio West London 5 Existing Diesel Single Deck
397 H C T Group H C T Group 6 Existing Diesel Single Deck
433 Abellio London Abellio London 9 New Electric Single Deck *
667 Blue Triangle Stagecoach East London 3 Existing Diesel Double Deck
677 Stagecoach East London Blue Triangle 1 Existing Diesel Double Deck
W16 H C T Group H C T Group 9 Existing Diesel Single Deck
* Certain journeys will be operated by Euro VI diesel single decks.
All diesel and hybrid vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
26th February 2022: Routes 55/N55, 56 & 397.
5th March 2022: Route W16.
12th March 2022: Routes 667 & 677.
30th April 2022: Routes 322 & 350.
21st May 2022: Route 433.
55 PVR -5
56 PVR -3
433 PVR -1
so this batch of contracts removes another 9 buses, which added to the previously announced reductions on the 49, 148 & 344 (15 total) means 24 buses lost.
Also it has been confirmed that W15 will be existing single deck electric buses as the Red Arrow routes are to have an approx 50% reduction in their PVR. However the 12m SEe Red Arrow buses will not fit on the route W15 so there will be various moves of Go Ahead SEe's to get the correct length buses for the W15.
Quote from: Ian Hardy on June 18, 2021, 09:11:05 PM
55 PVR -5
56 PVR -3
433 PVR -1
so this batch of contracts removes another 9 buses, which added to the previously announced reductions on the 49, 148 & 344 (15 total) means 24 buses lost.
Also it has been confirmed that W15 will be existing single deck electric buses as the Red Arrow routes are to have an approx 50% reduction in their PVR. However the 12m SEe Red Arrow buses will not fit on the route W15 so there will be various moves of Go Ahead SEe's to get the correct length buses for the W15.
Take it the 521 will take the biggest hit, not surprising with a bus in the peak period every 2 - 3 minutes.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 20, 2021, 08:25:19 PM
Take it the 521 will take the biggest hit, not surprising with a bus in the peak period every 2 - 3 minutes.
According to Buses Mag July 2021 the 507 goes from 15 down to 9 and the 521 from 32 down to 15 from 28/08/2021.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
13 Tower Transit Tower Transit 22 (-9) Existing Hybrid Double Decker
204 Metroline Metroline 15 New Electric Double Deck
The hybrid vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
2nd April 2022: Route 13.
30th April 2022: Route 204.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
111 (24h) London United Abellio West London 27 (+2) New electric double deck
177 Stagecoach Selkent Stagecoach Selkent 18 (-1) Existing Hybrid Double Deck
613 London United London United 1 Existing Hybrid Double Deck
U10 Metroline West Metroline West 1 (-1) Existing Hybrid Single Deck
> The hybrid and diesel vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards.
>
> The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
>
> 30th April 2022: Routes 111 & U10.
>
> 28th May 2022: Route 177.
>
> 30th July 2022: Route 613.
>
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Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 27, 2021, 03:19:47 PM
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
111 (24h) London United Abellio West London 27 (+2) New electric double deck
177 Stagecoach Selkent Stagecoach Selkent 18 (-1) Existing Hybrid Double Deck
613 London United London United 1 Existing Hybrid Double Deck
U10 Metroline West Metroline West 1 (-1) Existing Hybrid Single Deck
> The hybrid and diesel vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards.
>
> The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
>
> 30th April 2022: Routes 111 & U10.
>
> 28th May 2022: Route 177.
>
> 30th July 2022: Route 613.
>
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Massive loss for London United, and especially Hounslow who've run the 111 for over 60 YEARS solo.
From what I have read, 111 to be operated by Twickenham.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
70 London United London United 19 Existing electric single deck
135 Docklands Buses Tower Transit 15 Existing hybrid double deck
217 Sullivan Buses Sullivan Buses 11 Existing diesel double deck
617 Sullivan Buses Sullivan Buses 2 Existing diesel double deck
629 Sullivan Buses Sullivan Buses 1 Existing diesel double deck
678 Stagecoach East London Tower Transit 4 Existing hybrid double deck
733 n/a Tower Transit 15 Existing hybrid double deck
The hybrid and diesel vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards. Route 733 is a temporary service operating during the planned 17 week closure of the Bank Branch of the Northern Line.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates:
15th January 2022: Route 733.
2nd April 2022: Routes 617, 629 & 678.
21st May 2022: Route 135.
4th June 2022: Route 217.
25th June 2022: Route 70.
Finally, a gain for Tower Transit. Wonder what will happen to the EHV's currently used on the 135.
TfL Bus Tendering Programme Update announced on 050821
Routes: 36/N36, 41/N41, 99, 118, 121, 138, 141, 153, 161, 169, 172, 181, 225, 233, 247, 258, 269, 284, 287, 299, 329, 343/N343, 401, 422, 423, B14, B16, H22, H28, H37/NH37, H98, W4 & W6 have had two-year extensions agreed under the terms of the Quality Incentive Contracts, therefore they will no longer form part of the 2022/2023 programme. In addition, routes 142 and 642 in Tranche 821 will now be retendered as a single contract. Proposed new routes 439 and S2, both connected to the proposed Sutton Scheme, have been moved from Tranche 779 in the 2021/2022 programme to new Tranche 819A in the 2022/2023 programme.
The Tendering Programme for 2022/2023 is therefore revised as follows:
Tranche Routes
799A 383 & 384
800 613
801 Tranche CANCELLED
802 116, 662, 665 & 671
803 Tranche CANCELLED
804 119/N119, 198 & 264/N264
805 Tranche CANCELLED
806 664 & 684
806A 638
807 A10
808 605, 628/688 & 653/683
809 Tranche CANCELLED
810 149/N149 & 349
810A 168
811 248 & 339
812 226 & 632
813 11/N11
814 220/N220, 295/N295 & 297/N297
815 353 & 359
816 78 & 621
817 190 & 635
818 92
819 80, 93/N93, 151, 154/N154, 163, 164 & 470
819A 439 & S2
820 155/N155 & 159/N159
821 142/642 & 307/N307
822 B13
823 47/N47
824 W5
825 91/N91 & 263
826 H32/NH32 & H91
827 187, 487 & N97
828 Tranche CANCELLED
829 Tranche CANCELLED
Why does TFL put routes out in tranches even though a number of the tranches go out at the same time and award announcements go out at the same time. Wouldn't it just make sense to have 824 and 825 linked since the dates for paperwork stuff is all the same.
Some of the earlier ones are even more odd with 3 tranches all having the same tender issue, return and award dates. They seem to be split for the sake of splitting them.
Quote from: IMarkeh on August 10, 2021, 02:13:11 AM
Why does TFL put routes out in tranches even though a number of the tranches go out at the same time and award announcements go out at the same time. Wouldn't it just make sense to have 824 and 825 linked since the dates for paperwork stuff is all the same.
Some of the earlier ones are even more odd with 3 tranches all having the same tender issue, return and award dates. They seem to be split for the sake of splitting them.
Other routes that were in those tranches are in all likelihood would've been given a two year extension of the contract.
Quote from: IMarkeh on August 10, 2021, 02:13:11 AM
Why does TFL put routes out in tranches even though a number of the tranches go out at the same time and award announcements go out at the same time. Wouldn't it just make sense to have 824 and 825 linked since the dates for paperwork stuff is all the same.
Some of the earlier ones are even more odd with 3 tranches all having the same tender issue, return and award dates. They seem to be split for the sake of splitting them.
Recently TfL have had a tranche consisting of double deck routes and then the following tranche consisting of single deck routes. They are split up probably due to financial / accounting reasons, as I cannot see any other reason for doing it.
https://www.mylondon.news/news/north-london-news/london-buses-2-fake-boris-21237919
The pair of Wrightbus SRM's have now been withdrawn - known by enthusiasts as "Fake Boris Buses", these are identical to the NBLs from the from though omit the rear platform and have no opening windows.
Quote from: Wumpty on August 11, 2021, 07:29:50 AM
https://www.mylondon.news/news/north-london-news/london-buses-2-fake-boris-21237919
The pair of Wrightbus SRM's have now been withdrawn - known by enthusiasts as "Fake Boris Buses", these are identical to the NBLs from the from though omit the rear platform and have no opening windows.
Sorry but the article is totally wrong, some of them are currently being prepared to be used on the X140 and 698 from next month as per the new contract.
There are 8 SRMs:
6 (VHRs) with RATP (4 of them were last used in July with two were in use on 05/08/2021), they are currently being refurbished which is why they are not in use.
2 (VHP1 & VHP2) with Go Ahead for the 37 which were going to partly electric with charging points at Putney Heath and Peckham but planning permission for the charging points was refused so they are being used as pure hybrids with both in use today: VHP1 https://lvf.io/#LDN|history%20BV18YAD (https://lvf.io/#LDN%7Chistory%20BV18YAD) & VHP2 https://lvf.io/#LDN|HISTORY%20BV18YAE (https://lvf.io/#LDN%7CHISTORY%20BV18YAE)
So a very inaccurate story from a local "rag" website with a equally inaccurate response from that high quality organisation called Transport for London who ought to know better but with a strapline of "Every journey matters" I am not so sure:-)
I photographed LT988 yesterday,
http://wmbusphotos.com/NONWM/NBFL/LT988.html
nothing particularly special about that, other than the fact it mens I have now photographed all 1000 for the main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/NONWM/NBFL/NBFL.html
Congratulations Tony
Quote from: Tony on September 26, 2021, 11:21:45 AM
I photographed LT988 yesterday,
http://wmbusphotos.com/NONWM/NBFL/LT988.html
nothing particularly special about that, other than the fact it mens I have now photographed all 1000 for the main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/NONWM/NBFL/NBFL.html
You have beat me to seeing all the LTs, I still need to see 2 LTs both ELT ones LT935 & LT948
Quote from: Ian Hardy on September 26, 2021, 08:07:46 PM
You have beat me to seeing all the LTs, I still need to see 2 LTs both ELT ones LT935 & LT948
Three visits to Barking cleared them for me. LT988 had been out of service on my last 3 visits to London, but yesterday as I got off the train at Euston it was at Hammersmith, so a tube ride to Gunnersbury got me there a minute before LT988 got there
Quote from: Tony on September 26, 2021, 11:21:45 AM
I photographed LT988 yesterday,
http://wmbusphotos.com/NONWM/NBFL/LT988.html
nothing particularly special about that, other than the fact it mens I have now photographed all 1000 for the main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/NONWM/NBFL/NBFL.html
Well done
@Tony
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
116 London United London United 7 Existing Hybrid Double Deck
119(24hr) Metrobus Metrobus 14 New Electric & Existing Hybrid Double Deck *
198 Arriva London South Arriva London South 12 Existing Hybrid Double Deck
245 Metroline Metroline 17 Existing Electric & Existing Hybrid Double Deck **
264(24hr) Arriva London South Metrobus 11 New Electric Double Deck
662 London United London United 1 Existing Hybrid Double Deck
665 London United London United 1 Existing Diesel Single Deck
671 London United Abellio West London 1 Existing Hybrid Double Deck
A10 Metroline West Metroline West 4 Existing Diesel Single Deck
* 12 electric + 3 hybrid (TVR 15).
** 13 hybrid + 6 hydrogen (TVR 19).
All the diesel & hybrid vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards. New electric vehicles may enter service after the contract start date dependent on infrastructure and/ or vehicle delivery timescales.
The above contracts will commence on the following dates
25th June 2022: Route 245.
30th July 2022: Routes 662, 665 & 671.
27th August 2022: Routes 116, 119, 198, 264 & A10.
Tender news announced this morning.
London United has held the 220 using existing Enviro double deckers.
They have won the 226 and 295 from Metroline. Both routes will have new electric buses.
All the above is effective from next October.
Quote from: markcf83 on October 28, 2021, 01:26:07 PM
Tender news announced this morning.
London United has held the 220 using existing Enviro double deckers.
They have won the 226 and 295 from Metroline. Both routes will have new electric buses.
All the above is effective from next October.
The interesting thing is that the 220 is only a 5 year contract ending in 2027, whereas the 226 & 295 are "the now normal" 7 year contracts, which is why RATP can still use the ADEs which date from 2012 as they will only be 15 years old by then (technically 1 year above the 14 year max for TfL routes), but as TfL is broke, they have broken their own rules. There are planned to be some route alterations in the Old Oak Common area in 2027 to give access to the new Old Oak Common railway station and associated developments being built nearby https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/opdc_bus_strategy_update_2021.pdf (https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/opdc_bus_strategy_update_2021.pdf) so it seems sensible for the 220 contract to finish in 2027.
Noticed TfL services track on bustimes now.. wonder when that happened?
Quote from: CL on December 06, 2021, 04:53:19 PM
Noticed TfL services track on bustimes now.. wonder when that happened?
Last week I believe
Quote from: CL on December 06, 2021, 04:53:19 PM
Noticed TfL services track on bustimes now.. wonder when that happened?
That's me getting absolutely no work done then LOL!
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
92 Metroline West Metroline West 16 Existing hybrid double deck
142 London Sovereign Metroline 19 Double deck (details TBC)
155/N155 London General London General 17 Existing hybrid double deck
159 (24hr) Abellio London Abellio London 20 Existing New Routemaster
186 Metroline Metroline 16 Existing hybrid double deck
190 Metroline Metroline 10 Existing diesel single deck
248 Stagecoach East London Arriva London North 15 Existing New Routemaster
339 Tower Transit Tower Transit 11 Single deck (details TBC)
383 Uno Uno 4 Existing diesel single deck
621 Stagecoach Selkent Stagecoach Selkent 1 Existing diesel double deck
635 London United Metroline 3 Existing hybrid double deck
638 Stagecoach Selkent Stagecoach Selkent 5 Existing diesel double deck
664 Stagecoach Selkent Metrobus 2 Existing hybrid double deck
684 Metrobus Stagecoach Selkent 2 Existing hybrid double deck
All the diesel & hybrid vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
Route Current Operator New Operator PVR Vehicles
80 London General London General 15 Double deck (details TBC)
91/N91 Metroline London General 15 Existing hybrid double deck
93* London General London General 26 Double deck (details TBC)
149* Arriva London North Arriva London North 29 Existing New Routemaster
151 London General London General 14 Double deck (details TBC)
154* London General London General 16 Double deck (details TBC)
163 London General London General 12 Single deck (details TBC)**
164 London General London General TBC Single deck (details TBC)
187 Metroline West Metroline West 10 Single deck (details TBC)
297* Metroline Metroline 16 Double deck (details TBC)
384 , Metroline Metroline 8 Single deck (details TBC)
470 London United London General TBC Existing diesel single deck
487 Metroline West Metroline West 11 Single deck (details TBC)
N97 London Transit London General n/a Existing hybrid double deck***
W5 HCT Group HCT Group 7 Single deck (details TBC)
* 24 hour routes (154 at weekends only).
** One bus is double deck.
*** Night only route using buses from day routes.
All the diesel & hybrid vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards.
Start and end dates for the above contracts will be as follows:
Route Contract Start Date Contract End Date
80 3rd December 2022 30th November 2029
91/N91 4th February 2023 1st February 2030
93 3rd December 2022 30th November 2029
149 15th October 2022 15th October 2027
151 3rd December 2022 30th November 2029
154 3rd December 2022 30th November 2029
163 3rd December 2022 30th November 2029
164 3rd December 2022 30th November 2029
187 4th March 2023 1st March 2030
297 3rd December 2022 30th November 2029
384 22nd October 2022 19th October 2029
470 3rd December 2022 30th November 2029
487 4th March 2023 1st March 2030
N97 4th March 2023 1st March 2030
W5 4th February 2023 1st February 2030
I don't know if this is the right thread, but at the rear of Ensign's premises next to HS1, there are two or three sheeted over elderly vehicles including an ex Whippet (Fenstanton) Metropolitan, and a couple of RTs. One is a pre war RT which looks to be preserved/restored but with fire damage. The reg looks like FXT 1x5 but this was viewed from a 140 mph train so may be inaccurate!! Does anyone know which pre war RT this is and whether it's likely to be repaired?
Quote from: don on March 25, 2022, 07:19:27 PM
I don't know if this is the right thread, but at the rear of Ensign's premises next to HS1, there are two or three sheeted over elderly vehicles including an ex Whippet (Fenstanton) Metropolitan, and a couple of RTs. One is a pre war RT which looks to be preserved/restored but with fire damage. The reg looks like FXT 1x5 but this was viewed from a 140 mph train so may be inaccurate!! Does anyone know which pre war RT this is and whether it's likely to be repaired?
The only FXT 1xx listed in the PSV Circle preserved book is FXT 183 (RT8)
Quote from: Tony on March 25, 2022, 07:21:38 PM
The only FXT 1xx listed in the PSV Circle preserved book is FXT 183 (RT8)
Yes I did wonder whether it was RT8 - let's hope they re-restore it anyway - v few pre war RTs extant
I think Ensign have a couple more.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below:
| Route | Current Operator | New Operator | PVR | Vehicles |
| 47* | Stagecoach Selkent | Stagecoach Selkent | TBC | Existing hybrid double deck |
| 353 | Metrobus | Metrobus | 7 | New electric double deck |
| 359 | Metrobus | Metrobus | 2 | Electric single deck |
| B13 | Arriva London North | London Central | TBC | New electric single deck |
| H32* | London United | Abellio West London | 10 | Existing New Routemaster |
| H91 | London United | Metroline | 14 | Existing New Routemaster |
* 24 hour routes (H32 at weekends only). All the hybrid vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards. New electric vehicles may enter service after the contract start date dependent on infrastructure and/ or vehicle delivery timescales.
Start and end dates for the above contracts will be as follows: | Route | Contract Start Date | Contract End Date |
| 47 | 21st January 2023 | 18th January 2030 |
| 353 | 22nd October 2022 | 19th October 2029 |
| 359 | 22nd October 2022 | 19th October 2029 |
| B13 | 21st January 2023 | 18th January 2030 |
| H32 | 4th March 2023 | 3rd March 2028 |
| H91 | 4th March 2023 | 3rd March 2028 |
https://www.mylondon.news/lifestyle/travel/tfl-instantly-removes-108-london-24033800?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
Just seen this.
Quote from: suavegarv on May 23, 2022, 10:59:33 AMhttps://www.mylondon.news/lifestyle/travel/tfl-instantly-removes-108-london-24033800?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
Just seen this.
I love the headline "tfl INSTANTLY removes", they were asked by the manufacturer to take them off the road, would anyone in their right mind go against that advice.
Thankfully most routes are now running some sort of service with presunmably spare buses that have been found.
Stagecoach acquires Tower Transit with the depot at Lea Interchange from Kelsian Group
https://otp.tools.investis.com/clients/uk/stagecoach/rns/regulatory-story.aspx?cid=273&newsid=1588406
Had it confirmed that the buses which perished in Potters Bar last weekend are as follows
VW1200/1836.
TE1083/1426.
OME2660/2670.
Of interest is that many of the Metrodeckers are back in use.
Excellent programme that can be viewed on BBC I player, Greg Wallace inside the factory, Alexander Dennis Scarborough factory building electrics for RAPT.
It is being reported that the operations of CT Plus are in the process of being sold to Stagecoach London. The sister operations in Bristol and the Channel Islands are also being sold.
Quote from: markcf83 on August 23, 2022, 08:59:01 AMIt is being reported that the operations of CT Plus are in the process of being sold to Stagecoach London. The sister operations in Bristol and the Channel Islands are also being sold.
Deal with Stagecoach London is done.
LBSL intends to enter into new contracts for the following routes with the operators listed below: | Route | Current Operator | New Operator | PVR | Vehicles |
| 35/N35 | London Central | London Central | 24 | Existing hybrid double deck |
| 40 | London Central | London Central | 16 | New electric double deck |
| 62 | Stagecoach East London | Stagecoach East London | 14 | Existing diesel double deck |
| 64* | Arriva London South | Arriva London South | 17 | New electric double deck |
| 83/N83 | Metroline | Metroline | 19 | New electric double deck |
| 114** | Metroline West | Metroline West | 17 | Existing hybrid double deck |
| 145** | Stagecoach East London | Stagecoach East London | 17 | Existing diesel & hybrid double deck |
| 147 | Blue Triangle | Blue Triangle | 20 | Existing hybrid double deck |
| 213* | London General | London General | 14 | New electric double deck |
| 251 | London Sovereign | Metroline | 12 | New electric single deck |
| 265 | London United | London General | 12 | New electric single deck |
| 288 | London Sovereign | London Sovereign | 7 | Existing diesel single deck |
| 294 | Stagecoach East London | Stagecoach East London | 12 | Existing diesel double deck |
| 303 | London Sovereign | London Sovereign | 8 | Existing diesel single deck |
| 340 | Arriva London North | London Sovereign | 9 | Existing hybrid double deck |
| 345* | Abellio London | Abellio London | 24 | Existing hybrid double deck |
| 366 | Stagecoach East London | Blue Triangle | 18 | New electric single deck |
| 368 | Arriva London North | Blue Triangle | 8 | Existing hybrid double deck |
| 377 | Arriva London North | Arriva London North | 3 | New electric single deck |
| 483 | Metroline | Metroline | 20 | Existing hybrid double deck |
| 533 | Metroline | London General | 5 | Existing diesel single deck |
| 612 | Arriva London South | Arriva London South | 2 | New electric double deck |
| 685*** | Arriva London South | Arriva London South | 0 | Existing diesel double deck |
| E5 | Abellio West London | Abellio West London | 12 | New electric single deck |
| E7 | Abellio West London | Abellio West London | 11 | New electric single deck |
| H11 | London Sovereign | London Sovereign | 7 | Existing diesel single deck |
| H14 | London Sovereign | London Sovereign | 7 | Existing hybrid double deck |
| H17 | London United | Metroline | 7 | Existing diesel single deck |
| H18/H19 | London Sovereign | London Sovereign | 8 | Existing diesel single deck |
| K4 | London United | London United | 4 | Existing diesel single de |
* 24 hour route on all days.** 24 hour route at weekends (operation currently suspended).
*** PM only route using bus crosslinked from route 412.
All the diesel & hybrid vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards.
New electric vehicles may enter service after the contract start date dependent on infrastructure and/ or vehicle delivery timescales.
The start and end dates for the above contracts are detailed in the following table: | Route | Contract Start Date | Contract End Date |
| 35/N35 | 29th April 2023 | 26th April 2030 |
| 40 | 29th April 2023 | 26th April 2030 |
| 62 | 29th April 2023 | 26th April 2030 |
| 64 | 26th August 2023 | 23rd August 2030 |
| 83/N83 | 9th September 2023 | 6th September 2030 |
| 114 | 2nd September 2023 | 30th August 2030 |
| 145 | 29th April 2023 | 26th April 2030 |
| 147 | 6th May 2023 | 3rd May 2030 |
| 213 | 1st July 2023 | 28th June 2030 |
| 251 | 2nd September 2023 | 30th August 2030 |
| 265 | 1st July 2023 | 28th June 2030 |
| 288 | 2nd September 2023 | 30th August 2030 |
| 294 | 29th April 2023 | 26th April 2030 |
| 303 | 2nd September 2023 | 30th August 2030 |
| 340 | 2nd September 2023 | 30th August 2030 |
| 345 | 29th April 2023 | 26th April 2030 |
| 366 | 29th April 2023 | 26th April 2030 |
| 368 | 29th April 2023 | 26th April 2030 |
| 377 | 8th July 2023 | 5th July 2030 |
| 483 | 9th September 2023 | 6th September 2030 |
| 533 | 15th October 2022 | 16th August 2024* |
| 612 | 26th August 2023 | 23rd August 2030 |
| 685 | 2nd September 2023 | 29th August 2025 |
| E5 | 27th May 2023 | 24th May 2030 |
| E7 | 27th May 2023 | 24th May 2030 |
| H11 | 2nd September 2023 | 30th August 2030 |
| H14 | 2nd September 2023 | 30th August 2030 |
| H17 | 2nd September 2023 | 30th August 2030 |
| H18/H19 | 2nd September 2023 | 30th August 2030 |
| K4 | 1st July 2023 | 28th June 2030 |
* Potentially extendable by two years.
Quote from: Tony on March 25, 2022, 07:21:38 PMThe only FXT 1xx listed in the PSV Circle preserved book is FXT 183 (RT8)
Just gone past it again (at 140 mph!!) - definitely FXT 183 (RT8). Front is now covered with a tarpaulin but before it was, it looked like it had suffered an engine fire which had affected part of the bodywork near the front (second bay).
Quote from: don on September 16, 2022, 05:00:18 PMJust gone past it again (at 140 mph!!) - definitely FXT 183 (RT8). Front is now covered with a tarpaulin but before it was, it looked like it had suffered an engine fire which had affected part of the bodywork near the front (second bay).
It is actually RT4686 NXP971 done up as RT8 for a film that required a vintage bus to be blown up apparently, hence the damage. There are various pictures online if you google NXP971,RT4686 or RT8 replica.
Phew that's a relief - they should have given it a different number to avoid worries!! Blowing up any RT is a bit worrying though, as is wrecking any classic or vintage vehicle :embarrassed:
| Route | Current Operator | New Operator | PVR | Vehicles |
| 26/N26 | Stagecoach East London | Stagecoach East London | TBC | Existing hybrid double deck |
| 53/N53 | Stagecoach Selkent | Stagecoach Selkent | TBC | Existing hybrid double deck |
| 57 (24h) | London General | London General | 19 | New electric/ existing hybrid double deck* |
| 85 (24h) | London United | London United | 12 | Existing hybrid double deck |
| 199/N199 | Stagecoach Selkent | Stagecoach Selkent | 12 | New electric double deck** |
| 203 | London United | London United | 7 | Existing hybrid double deck |
| 216 | London United | London United | 10 | Existing diesel single deck |
| 404 | London United | Abellio London | 3 | Existing diesel single deck |
| 450 | Arriva London South | Metrobus | 15 | New electric single deck |
| 626 | Sullivan Buses | Metroline | 4 | Existing hybrid double deck |
| 634 | Metroline | Metroline | 1 | Existing hybrid double deck |
| 643 | Metroline | Uno | 2 | Existing hybrid double deck |
| E2 | Metroline | Metroline | 15 | New electric double deck*** |
| E8 | Metroline | Metroline | 15 | New electric double deck*** |
* 13 electric + 8 hybrid (TVR 21).** N199 partly operated by existing hybrids.
*** Vehicles will be operationally exchanged with existing hybrids from routes 245 and 263 until at least 2025.
All of the diesel & hybrid vehicles detailed above will meet Euro VI emissions standards.
New electric vehicles may enter service after the contract start date dependent on infrastructure and/ or vehicle delivery timescales.
The start and end dates for the above contracts are detailed in the following table: | Route | Contract Start Date | Contract End Date |
| 26/N26 | 24th June 2023 | 21st June 2030 |
| 53/N53 | 22nd July 2023 | 19th July 2030 |
| 57 | 1st July 2023 | 28th June 2030 |
| 85 | 1st July 2023 | 28th June 2030 |
| 199/N199 | 16th September 2023 | 13th September 2030 |
| 203 | 2nd September 2023 | 30th August 2030 |
| 216 | 1st July 2023 | 28th June 2030 |
| 404 | 30th September 2023 | 27th September 2030 |
| 450 | 30th September 2023 | 27th September 2030 |
| 626 | 2nd September 2023 | 30th August 2030 |
| 634 | 2nd September 2023 | 30th August 2030 |
| 643 | 1st July 2023 | 28th June 2030 |
| E2 | 27th May 2023 | 24th May 2030 |
| E8 | 27th May 2023 | 24th May 2030 |
Romford's route 86 and the N86 have been retained by Stagecoach London. New electric buses are on order with the new contract,which is for seven years, due to begin in July 2023
News announced this week is that routes 9 and N9 are to be operated by Metroline from early 2024. They will run from the Armchair garage in Brentford and both contracts are for five years.
After a prolonged spell away, route 78 will be returning home to Peckham in December after Go Ahead London won the tender. Arriva London are the losers. Routes 72 and 189,plus their respective night services,are retained by London United and Metroline respectively. They will start their latest contracts later in the year and will retain their current buses.
News from London regarding the two routes run from Westbourne Park with Optare Metrodeckers. The 23 has been retained, however the C3 will return to Abellio later in the year. A new home will be required for the type at the inner London garage.
Some tender news. About a dozen routes had their immediate future decided this morning. Two of them,the 76 and 325 are to change operators with Go Ahead losing the 76 to Arriva London and same two operators swapping the 325, albeit the other way. Go Ahead have won the right to run the S2, which I think is based on the Sutton area though I have asked for clarification on this.
Putney garage have held the 14,39 and 74 with the 39 gaining new electric buses. Starting dates vary from November to late March of next year.
Forgot to do this last week,but more tender results were announced last Monday. The highlights of them sees Stagecoach lose the 262 and 473 to Go Ahead London,who has also won the tender for the new 439 which is based on the Purley area. Abellio London has taken the E6 from Metroline. Both the 101 and 396 were retained by Go Ahead London on the basis of new electric buses.
Some more tender results from London,as well as reports of a possible garage closure.
First the tender results. Routes 20,58,97,215 and 277 are retained by Stagecoach London. Routes 58 and 277 will get new electric buses,the 215 will be given New Routemaster buses while the other two routes are to retain existing buses, which in the case of the 97 will involve having to take them from elsewhere presumably.
Abellio have held the 464, Metroline the 123 and 393. The 113, plus its Night Bus, will gain electric buses in due course. The 393 and 464 retain their existing midibuses.
Also,in light of several factors including the recent tender losses,it is being alleged that West Ham garage could be closed. I stress the COULD be closed. They currently run the 97, which is due to move to Lea Interchange on the commencement of its new tender.
All tender contracts start in February or March next year save for the 464 which starts in May.
Routes 143,253 and 254-plus the N253-have all been retained by their current operators. The 143, retained by Metroline, will gain new electric buses while the 253,254 and N253 keep their New Routemasters with Arriva London. Those contracts start in June of next year.
Some more news from London where the fates of a number of routes were decided this morning.
Routes 306 and S3 have been won by Abellio-their current operators are Metroline and London United respectively. Alos on the move is the 379 which goes from Go Ahead London to Stagecoach,presumably their Walthamstow garage.
Routes 206,210,382,C11,W7 and W8 are all held by Metroline.
To the best of my knowledge this batch of routes is the first to be entirely planned to be fully electric buses.
All these routes are due to start their contracts in 2024,the earliest being the 379 in March and the latest being the 210 which goes over to electric buses in September of next year-this will involve fitting charging points at Cricklewood garage which is the second biggest within Metroline to Holloway.
Saw 2 Stagecoach London red streetdecks on the Small Heath Highway at about 12:30 this afternoon.
Saw Stagecoach London Electroliner 82007e parked in the bus lay-by at the Wheatsheaf,Sheldon this afternoon. It drove off just as I approached it to get some photos 😤. It had 199 "Catford bus garsge" destination on it.
two more streetdecks passed morrisons on Coventry road around lunchtime 19.09.2023 think one was 3032 both 73 plates.
Quote from: suavegarv on September 15, 2023, 06:10:42 PMSaw Stagecoach London Electroliner 82007e parked in the bus lay-by at the Wheatsheaf,Sheldon this afternoon. It drove off just as I approached it to get some photos 😤. It had 199 "Catford bus garsge" destination on it.
Catford are expecting about fourteen of them. The rest of them are for Romford and route 86.
Announced this week were the result of tenders for the 260 and 302 at Willesden. The latest contract starts in June 2024 but unusually only for three years.
Some more tender news and a garage closure announcement too.
First the tender news. Routes 130,131,201,280,314,320,R68 and R70 have all been retained by the current operators who include Go Ahead London, Abellio London and Stagecoach London. Existing buses will be used on the 130,201 and R68 while new electric buses are the order for the rest. All are due to begin their next contracts next year across the summer.
Arriva London have also confirmed that they will be pulling out of Ash Grove when the 78 goes to Go Ahead London in December. The 254 will move the short distance to Clapton and will effectively leave Ash Grove in the hands of Stagecoach London.
As James May might say-it's GOOD NEWS. The One Day Travelcard has been saved after Sadiq Khan concluded a deal with the London TOC's to retain it. Full details on the London Standard website-and if someone could post the link to it for others to see, thanks.
Routes 328,481 and C1 had new tender announcements this morning. The 481 goes from London United to Metroline-presumably Brentford-while the 328 and C1 stay with Metroline and London United respectively. All will use existing buses,which presumably means Volvos at Brentford. The start dates are in May 24(for the 481) and June 24 for the other two.
Two routes had their latest tenders announced today. London United have held the 411:but have lost the 465 to Abellio. In the case of the latter I guess it'll provide work for the Enviros due to be replaced by electric buses from the R70.
The 411 starts its next contract in September 24,the 465 in June 24.
Firstly a very Happy New Year to all of you.
Onto the important business of London Bus Tender news and two routes had their futures secured today.
Route 211 will return to Abellio in late June and will retain it's current buses, creating yet more room at Stamford Brook who lose routes 9 and N9 next week.
They've been successful in holding the E3 and will be using hybrid buses, presumably newer ones than the current Enviros. This latest tender is a three year one and also begins in June.
Abellio seem to be having a good winning streak again with new TfL tenders.
Quote from: winston on January 04, 2024, 10:29:11 PMAbellio seem to be having a good winning streak again with new TfL tenders.
...or as they are calling themselves now Transport UK......
Stagecoach London have retained the W12/13/14, all with new electric buses on order. The latest contracts start in early September and all will get singlke deckers or in the case of the schoolbus duty on the W13 a double decker.
Some garage news.
Arriva London is to reopen Stamford Hill at the end of next month for the 254. It will also be home to the 76 when it returns to Arriva in March.
Routes 17,28 and 395 had new contracts confirmed yesterday. Metroline hold the 17 at Holloway and in theory will be using New Bus for London although electric buses have been used on the route in recent times. Metroline have taken the 28 from London United and, unusual for London, will be operating diesel buses as opposed to the electric buses currently on it today. Finally London United have retained the 395 in Harrow using existing buses.
The 28 changes hands in May,the contracts for the 17 and 395 begin in July and September respectively.
More news from London.
Firstly Go Ahead London have retained the 5,15 and 115 plus the N15 too. The 115 will retain it's current Hybrids,one of which was destroyed in a fire recently, while the other three are to keep their New Routemasters. All the contracts are to start on August 24th.
Incidentally details of the SL5 have become available. Arriva London will run it from Croydon using the Enviro midis previously on the 289, for which Enviros made available elsewhere are becoming available. It will operate between Croydon and Bromley though not via the old Green Line 726 routing. It starts this weekend with first departures from either end at around 5am daily.
Good to read on Route One jail and £60000 fine for a cyclist who made a fraudulent claim against Metroline
Quote from: Mayfield on February 12, 2024, 07:36:49 PMGood to read on Route One jail and £60000 fine for a cyclist who made a fraudulent claim against Metroline
https://www.route-one.net/news/jail-and-60000-costs-for-fraudulent-claimant-against-metroline
Far too many people try to defraud bus and coach companies with these ridiculous claims. Not only does it increase operating costs for the companies, it increases fare costs and puts drivers and staff through terribly stressful and unnecessary investigations, sometimes of a disciplinary nature.
Bus driving is hard enough without being subjected to a process that you should never have been taken through.
I hope this sends a clear message to others - I'd have gone even further and crushed his motorbike too!
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=364722839827359&set=a.101588979474081
Some more tender news from London. Routes 90,222,323 and H13 have been given new contracts today. All have been retained by their current operators, which with the exception of the 323-run by Stagecoach London-are operated by Metroline.
Route 90 will get new electric buses in time,the 222 keeps its current Volvo hybrids,the 323-which already has electric buses-will keep them while the H13 keeps its current midibuses.
Contracts start at varying dates with the 90 beginning at the end of August and the 323 not starting until early January next year.
Forgot to mention that routes SL2 and SL3 start over the next few weeks. The latter brings NB4L buses to the outer reaches of South East London running between Thamesmead and Bromley and Stagecoach London is to run it from Bromley from next weekend. The following week the SL2 starts and is to run from North Woolwich to Walthamstow-via Barking and Ilford-and is to be run by Arriva London using some of the HA buses recently made available when Brixton lost the 133 and 333. Incidentally the 69 used to run to North Woolwich until about the start of the century. That starts the following week and bustimes.org has timetables for the SL3 on its website now.
More news on the tender front has been released. This actually emerged on Friday afternoon and large is good news for most of the operators concerned.
Firstly the E1 has been regained by Metroline who will return it to Greenford after a decade away. London United have lost the route and it will be run with existing buses in the Metroline fleet as yet to be determined. This starts at the end of May on the same day as the E6 moves out to Abellio.
Arriva London is breathing a huge sigh of relief as six routes were held. Hybrids are due to be allocated to the 66,103 and 370 on the start of their next contracts and with all three routes at Grays it largely secures the future of the Essex garage. They've also held the 34 and SL1 at Palmers Green and both are to get new electric buses. Enfield has held the 192 with their existing buses.
Stagecoach London has held the 257 at Leyton and it will get new electric buses too.
Finally New Cross in South London has held onto three busy routes. The 36 and 343 will keep their existing hybrid buses however they held the 172 on the basis of it getting new electric buses.
As for the dates of starting these,the 257 is in October,the Arriva London routes are to begin on varying dates between late August and early November while the three routes at NX are to start next year.
Go Ahead London have retained the following routes,all of which are to get new electric buses. They will,in all likelihood,replace the majority of the Enviro midibuses delivered from 2010 onwards to Orpington.
The routes concerned are these;
R1
R2
R3
R4
R8
R11
All the new contracts are to begin in late March of next year.
More good news for the operators of seven routes in London today.
Arriva London has held the 150 and 175, which ensures the future of their Barking Garage until at least 2027. Both will gain Hybrid buses when their contracts start in October.
Also to start in October are the new contracts for Uxbridge routes U1/2/3, which are to gain new electric buses in time. The U3 gets double deckers and the other two single deckers,and incidentally the U4, recently retendered and held by Metroline,all start on October 26.
Finally London United have retained the 406 and 418, which is run from Tolworth. Their next contracts start in June.
If it's a Monday, then it clearly must be tender news update time.
Five busy, Inner London routes have had their futures secured today.
At Metroline, routes 6 and 98 have been retained. The 6 keeps its current Volvo hybrids while the 98 is to get electric buses. The N98 however will use hybrids. The latest contracts start in December.
At Go Ahead London,they have retained the 188,355 and 360-all to get new electric buses. In the case of the 360,they will replace the old Red Arrow buses that have been on the route for a few years now. The other two will also get new electric buses too, which involves yet more charging points to be fitted at Camberwell. The contract for the 188 starts in November,the other two in December.
Another Monday, another series of route tender results.
All of the routes announced today were retained by their current operators which allows for a bit of continuity.
Metroline have retained route 4 and will be running new electric buses.
Go Ahead London have retained routes 22,88 and 176. The first two,both of which have Night services too,are to gain new electric buses too. The 176 keeps its current buses.
London United have retained routes 117,281 and 419. All will retain their current buses which includes the relatively recent electric buses on the 281.
All are due to commence their latest contracts in stages throughout the second half of the year with the 281 being first among them in July. The rest of them are to begin theirs in the autumn and into December.
Quote from: markcf83 on March 25, 2024, 12:20:31 PMAnother Monday, another series of route tender results.
All of the routes announced today were retained by their current operators which allows for a bit of continuity.
Metroline have retained route 4 and will be running new electric buses.
Go Ahead London have retained routes 22,88 and 176. The first two,both of which have Night services too,are to gain new electric buses too. The 176 keeps its current buses.
London United have retained routes 117,281 and 419. All will retain their current buses which includes the relatively recent electric buses on the 281.
All are due to commence their latest contracts in stages throughout the second half of the year with the 281 being first among them in July. The rest of them are to begin theirs in the autumn and into December.
It will be interesting to see what London General orders for the 22 & 88 as apparently the current London General order is the last one Alexander Dennis are going to build on BYD chassis.
Quote from: Tony on March 25, 2024, 12:24:15 PMIt will be interesting to see what London General orders for the 22 & 88 as apparently the current London General order is the last one Alexander Dennis are going to build on BYD chassis.
I know they've been using a Wright electric decker as a demo. I've seen it in Camberwell. Plus they've got another demo at Sutton too.
Noted today on the M6 north around 15.30 was a NBFL with severe floor to roof frontal damage, it is in yellow overall advertising livery.
Forgot to mention but you probably realised it was on suspended tow
Quote from: Mayfield on March 26, 2024, 09:08:05 PMNoted today on the M6 north around 15.30 was a NBFL with severe floor to roof frontal damage, it is in yellow overall advertising livery.
https://metro.co.uk/2024/03/05/london-bus-crashes-building-tottenham-court-road-20402272/
Routes 341,H37 and SL3 have been given new contracts today with their current operators. The 341 and SL3 will in time gain new electric buses while the H37 will keep their existing diesel Enviros. All contracts for these start later this year or early next year.
London United have retained routes 33,71 and 371 this morning. The 33,plus the N33,will receive new electric buses and the contract starts in November. Routes 71 and 371 will retain their current buses, with the reminder that the 371 already has electric buses on it. Their contracts start in July.
London United have retained route H22, which was among the first to operate Dennis Darts when they were launched in 1990. They've retained it for three years with the contract due to start on March 1st next year. A schoolbus route,the 697,was lost to Metroline from London United and will be run using hybrid buses.
Go Ahead London were the big winners of today's latest contract news in London.
However I start with London United and their retention of the 65 and N65 at Fulwell. The current buses will continue on both routes, with the N65 continuing to be run with hybrids.
Arriva London is the big loser in South East London with their losing the 99,269 and 401 to Go Ahead London. All used to be run from Bexleyheath but as of yet it's not known who'll be running them. I have subsequently learned there are plans for a new garage in the area around Slade Green being rumoured which will service some BX routes.
There was a bit of good news for Arriva London however as they've held the 141 and W4. The latter will keep it's current buses however the 141 will get new electric buses.
The contract for the 65 and N65 begins in July,the rest in early January next year.