After the tour today, me and trident4370 (Joe) went for a nosey outside Miller Street
From the pavement, we saw
Mercs - 1516 1534 1538 1540 1542 1555 1578? 1596 1597 1645 (these were parked up
1611 looked as if it was having parts removed.
Also, for those who didn't go on the tour today, withdrawn vehicles in Walsall garage are 654 655 1412 1463 1691 and 1692
May be of interest
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The bickering and squabbling is getting tiresome, if it continues, then it won't just be posts that get removed...
Were the ex Dundee B10L's still there i.e. 7115, 7123, 7125 & 7126?
Quote from: Ashley on November 01, 2013, 08:08:58 PM
After the tour today, me and trident4370 (Joe) went for a nosey outside Miller Street
From the pavement, we saw
Mercs - 1516 1534 1538 1540 1542 1555 1578? 1596 1597 1645 (these were parked up
1611 looked as if it was having parts removed.
Also, for those who didn't go on the tour today, withdrawn vehicles in Walsall garage are 654 655 1412 1463 1691 and 1692
May be of interest
Wasn't 581 withdrawn also?
Quote from: Dylan4579 on November 01, 2013, 08:19:04 PM
Quote from: Ashley on November 01, 2013, 08:08:58 PM
After the tour today, me and trident4370 (Joe) went for a nosey outside Miller Street
From the pavement, we saw
Mercs - 1516 1534 1538 1540 1542 1555 1578? 1596 1597 1645 (these were parked up
1611 looked as if it was having parts removed.
Also, for those who didn't go on the tour today, withdrawn vehicles in Walsall garage are 654 655 1412 1463 1691 and 1692
May be of interest
Wasn't 581 withdrawn also?
Not sure, it had no destination blind & a steering wheel cover over it
Quote from: Winston on November 01, 2013, 08:20:47 PM
Quote from: Dylan4579 on November 01, 2013, 08:19:04 PM
Quote from: Ashley on November 01, 2013, 08:08:58 PM
After the tour today, me and trident4370 (Joe) went for a nosey outside Miller Street
From the pavement, we saw
Mercs - 1516 1534 1538 1540 1542 1555 1578? 1596 1597 1645 (these were parked up
1611 looked as if it was having parts removed.
Also, for those who didn't go on the tour today, withdrawn vehicles in Walsall garage are 654 655 1412 1463 1691 and 1692
May be of interest
Wasn't 581 withdrawn also?
Not sure, it had no destination blind & a steering wheel cover over it
581 is a part of the WA fleet, although Tony said it has turned a wheel yet at WA.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 01, 2013, 08:53:35 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 01, 2013, 08:20:47 PM
Quote from: Dylan4579 on November 01, 2013, 08:19:04 PM
Quote from: Ashley on November 01, 2013, 08:08:58 PM
After the tour today, me and trident4370 (Joe) went for a nosey outside Miller Street
From the pavement, we saw
Mercs - 1516 1534 1538 1540 1542 1555 1578? 1596 1597 1645 (these were parked up
1611 looked as if it was having parts removed.
Also, for those who didn't go on the tour today, withdrawn vehicles in Walsall garage are 654 655 1412 1463 1691 and 1692
May be of interest
Wasn't 581 withdrawn also?
Not sure, it had no destination blind & a steering wheel cover over it
581 is a part of the WA fleet, although Tony said it has turned a wheel yet at WA.
Ta for that Stu, makes sense why it hasn't got a blind now
There are B10L's in miller street hidden very well from view.
To add to my initial post, other Mercs at Miller street are 1538 1528 and 1690
581 isn't withdrawn Dylan :) But as someone said tony said it hadn't even entered service at WA since transferring from WN :)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on November 01, 2013, 09:45:56 PM
581 isn't withdrawn Dylan :) But as someone said tony said it hadn't even entered service at WA since transferring from WN :)
oh ok, how long was it in service in PL for?
Quote from: Dylan4579 on November 01, 2013, 09:47:57 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on November 01, 2013, 09:45:56 PM
581 isn't withdrawn Dylan :) But as someone said tony said it hadn't even entered service at WA since transferring from WN :)
oh ok, how long was it in service in PL for?
Only a few months. Came from PE when they were displaced by 4193-4202,4135 theb it transferred to WA
Quote from: Trident 4609 on November 01, 2013, 09:54:45 PM
Quote from: Dylan4579 on November 01, 2013, 09:47:57 PM
Quote from: Trident 4609 on November 01, 2013, 09:45:56 PM
581 isn't withdrawn Dylan :) But as someone said tony said it hadn't even entered service at WA since transferring from WN :)
oh ok, how long was it in service in PL for?
Only a few months. Came from PE when they were displaced by 4193-4202,4135 theb it transferred to WA
Thanks :)
Don't forget 4007, still think personally this would have been better just left at Wolverhampton for parts etc...
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on November 01, 2013, 11:00:54 PM
Don't forget 4007, still think personally this would have been better just left at Wolverhampton for parts etc...
I would've thought if parts are required from 4007 for another Spectra, they can still be transported over from Miller Street
Is 4007 at Miller Street then? Will it just be broken for spares and then scrapped?
Quote from: 4006 on November 03, 2013, 02:59:36 PM
Is 4007 at Miller Street then? Will it just be broken for spares and then scrapped?
Yes it is. Does stripping of withdrawn vehicles have to be done at Miller St, or could it be done at Park Lane. I do fund it strange that 4007 has been brought to Miller St, as only Wolverhampton operate Spectras, and the spares could easily be taken off there for the others instead of transporting them from Birmingham
Quote from: John on November 03, 2013, 03:02:51 PM
Quote from: 4006 on November 03, 2013, 02:59:36 PM
Is 4007 at Miller Street then? Will it just be broken for spares and then scrapped?
Yes it is. Does stripping of withdrawn vehicles have to be done at Miller St, or could it be done at Park Lane. I do fund it strange that 4007 has been brought to Miller St, as only Wolverhampton operate Spectras, and the spares could easily be taken off there for the others instead of transporting them from Birmingham
I would think it not practical to keep at WN because it would take up valuable space, if parts were to be taken off and it became grounded it may have to stay on a pit or in the garage. I would guess it would be easier to move the bus about in Miller Street than at WN and at Miller Street they strip everything usable and then store in bins or shelves and the remains then go to scrap. They probably don't have the facility to do this at WN
The following should now be at Pensnett
1516; 1517; 1522; 1526; 1528; 1529; 1534; 1537; 1538; 1542; 1552; 1557; 1596; 1609
The following are at Miller Street
517; 541; 579; 594; 606; 619; 650; 665
693
1435; 1448
1541; 1555; 1578; 1581; 1595; 1597; 1601; 1603; 1605; 1606; 1611; 1621; 1645; 1690
7086; 7115; 7123; 7125; 7126
9958
Quote from: Tony on November 08, 2013, 12:34:31 PM
The following should now be at Pensnett
1516; 1517; 1522; 1526; 1528; 1529; 1534; 1537; 1538; 1542; 1552; 1557; 1596; 1609
The following are at Miller Street
517; 541; 579; 594; 606; 619; 650; 665
693
1435; 1448
1541; 1555; 1578; 1581; 1595; 1597; 1601; 1603; 1605; 1606; 1611; 1621; 1645; 1690
7086; 7115; 7123; 7125; 7126
9958
With the following also at Walsall on 1/11/13:
654; 655
1412; 1463
1691; 1692
Is is safe to assume the remainder will be at LH? There could also be another clearout of scrap looming with the withdrawals following all 26 E400's entering service
Also 530 at WN for parts
Quote from: Winston on November 08, 2013, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 08, 2013, 12:34:31 PM
The following should now be at Pensnett
1516; 1517; 1522; 1526; 1528; 1529; 1534; 1537; 1538; 1542; 1552; 1557; 1596; 1609
The following are at Miller Street
517; 541; 579; 594; 606; 619; 650; 665
693
1435; 1448
1541; 1555; 1578; 1581; 1595; 1597; 1601; 1603; 1605; 1606; 1611; 1621; 1645; 1690
7086; 7115; 7123; 7125; 7126
9958
With the following also at Walsall on 1/11/13:
654; 655
1412; 1463
1691; 1692
Is is safe to assume the remainder will be at LH? There could also be another clearout of scrap looming with the withdrawals following all 26 E400's entering service
1540 is not on either of those lists. Has it been returned to service at Pensnett, following 1658's fire?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 08, 2013, 07:47:36 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 08, 2013, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 08, 2013, 12:34:31 PM
The following should now be at Pensnett
1516; 1517; 1522; 1526; 1528; 1529; 1534; 1537; 1538; 1542; 1552; 1557; 1596; 1609
The following are at Miller Street
517; 541; 579; 594; 606; 619; 650; 665
693
1435; 1448
1541; 1555; 1578; 1581; 1595; 1597; 1601; 1603; 1605; 1606; 1611; 1621; 1645; 1690
7086; 7115; 7123; 7125; 7126
9958
With the following also at Walsall on 1/11/13:
654; 655
1412; 1463
1691; 1692
Is is safe to assume the remainder will be at LH? There could also be another clearout of scrap looming with the withdrawals following all 26 E400's entering service
1540 is not on either of those lists. Has it been returned to service at Pensnett, following 1658's fire?
Don't think so Matt unfortunately, 1658 has probably saved another younger Merc from biting the dust, well for this week at the least. i would expect another couple of Tridents to arrive this weekend, 4350 & 4352 are no doubt due, but am wondering how many more Tridents will tranfer from YW.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 08, 2013, 08:02:00 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 08, 2013, 07:47:36 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 08, 2013, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 08, 2013, 12:34:31 PM
The following should now be at Pensnett
1516; 1517; 1522; 1526; 1528; 1529; 1534; 1537; 1538; 1542; 1552; 1557; 1596; 1609
The following are at Miller Street
517; 541; 579; 594; 606; 619; 650; 665
693
1435; 1448
1541; 1555; 1578; 1581; 1595; 1597; 1601; 1603; 1605; 1606; 1611; 1621; 1645; 1690
7086; 7115; 7123; 7125; 7126
9958
With the following also at Walsall on 1/11/13:
654; 655
1412; 1463
1691; 1692
Is is safe to assume the remainder will be at LH? There could also be another clearout of scrap looming with the withdrawals following all 26 E400's entering service
1540 is not on either of those lists. Has it been returned to service at Pensnett, following 1658's fire?
Don't think so Matt unfortunately, 1658 has probably saved another younger Merc from biting the dust, well for this week at the least. i would expect another couple of Tridents to arrive this weekend, 4350 & 4352 are no doubt due, but am wondering how many more Tridents will tranfer from YW.
Do you mean it saved another older Merc from biting the dust?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 08, 2013, 08:03:21 PM
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on November 08, 2013, 08:02:00 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 08, 2013, 07:47:36 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 08, 2013, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 08, 2013, 12:34:31 PM
The following should now be at Pensnett
1516; 1517; 1522; 1526; 1528; 1529; 1534; 1537; 1538; 1542; 1552; 1557; 1596; 1609
The following are at Miller Street
517; 541; 579; 594; 606; 619; 650; 665
693
1435; 1448
1541; 1555; 1578; 1581; 1595; 1597; 1601; 1603; 1605; 1606; 1611; 1621; 1645; 1690
7086; 7115; 7123; 7125; 7126
9958
With the following also at Walsall on 1/11/13:
654; 655
1412; 1463
1691; 1692
Is is safe to assume the remainder will be at LH? There could also be another clearout of scrap looming with the withdrawals following all 26 E400's entering service
1540 is not on either of those lists. Has it been returned to service at Pensnett, following 1658's fire?
Don't think so Matt unfortunately, 1658 has probably saved another younger Merc from biting the dust, well for this week at the least. i would expect another couple of Tridents to arrive this weekend, 4350 & 4352 are no doubt due, but am wondering how many more Tridents will tranfer from YW.
Do you mean it saved another older Merc from biting the dust?
Sorry, don't know what is wrong with my brain today, yes i meant an older Merc.
Good, travelled on 1518 today, pulled well and idled smoothly, better than the B5 hybrids in fact!
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on November 08, 2013, 10:48:11 PM
Good, travelled on 1518 today, pulled well and idled smoothly, better than the B5 hybrids in fact!
Was it riding level?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 08, 2013, 10:49:43 PM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on November 08, 2013, 10:48:11 PM
Good, travelled on 1518 today, pulled well and idled smoothly, better than the B5 hybrids in fact!
Was it riding level?
Yes very much so, with the driver lowering the step at almost every bus stop and then it raising again as we pulled off, the only thing that showed its age were the poles and grab rails that made it look quite scruffy inside but all seats were nicely refurbed in the previous moquette to the dots
'Jelly buses' I call em some of them wobble around all over the place when they are lowered. One side goes down then the other goes up the other then goes down which doesn't seam to actually achieve a lot, hardly surprising there are so many platform incidents :o
Shame 1435 is withdrawn; one of my fav buses. Does anyone know what has happened to 1441; in that list I don't see it so had it already gone for scrap or sale?
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on November 09, 2013, 09:26:42 AM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on November 08, 2013, 10:49:43 PM
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on November 08, 2013, 10:48:11 PM
Good, travelled on 1518 today, pulled well and idled smoothly, better than the B5 hybrids in fact!
Was it riding level?
Yes very much so, with the driver lowering the step at almost every bus stop and then it raising again as we pulled off, the only thing that showed its age were the poles and grab rails that made it look quite scruffy inside but all seats were nicely refurbed in the previous moquette to the dots
I love 1518, one of my favourites. Notice how it has retained all of its seat grab rails too, the rails on the back to back seats over the rear wheel arches caused problems when the Mercs were new as folk were getting their hands trapped between them so one set was removed on each side to prevent this but all these years later 1518 still has a full set! The poles and grab rails certainly need a rub down and repaint but overall one of the best Mercs still about.
Quote from: Liberator9 on November 09, 2013, 10:19:23 AM
Does anyone know what has happened to 1441; in that list I don't see it so had it already gone for scrap or sale?
Withdrawn in April 2012. Still on Tonys fleetlist listed as withdrawn, so is still about parked up
Quote from: Winston on November 08, 2013, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 08, 2013, 12:34:31 PM
The following should now be at Pensnett
1516; 1517; 1522; 1526; 1528; 1529; 1534; 1537; 1538; 1542; 1552; 1557; 1596; 1609
The following are at Miller Street
517; 541; 579; 594; 606; 619; 650; 665
693
1435; 1448
1541; 1555; 1578; 1581; 1595; 1597; 1601; 1603; 1605; 1606; 1611; 1621; 1645; 1690
7086; 7115; 7123; 7125; 7126
9958
With the following also at Walsall on 1/11/13:
654; 655
1412; 1463
1691; 1692
Is is safe to assume the remainder will be at LH? There could also be another clearout of scrap looming with the withdrawals following all 26 E400's entering service
I'd assume the same - a whole raft of withdrawn buses must be located at Lea Hall. It has gone very quiet in terms of updates from LH, presumably Tony has not been on-site for a while.
Few queries: Is 4007 still at MS? I had 684/708/711 & 1503/4 plus 1644/58/63-64 stored at Pensnett - have they moved on from there? I'm not sure of the whereabouts of potential Trainers 1687/89, I had them at Miller Street. Are 3604/6-7/9/11/3 still hanging around? And finally I had Metrobus Trainer 9955 as withdrawn at MS not 9958.
Paul
Yes it is 9955 withdrawn at Miller Street and 4007 is still there
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 10, 2013, 10:41:14 AM
Quote from: Winston on November 08, 2013, 12:52:11 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 08, 2013, 12:34:31 PM
The following should now be at Pensnett
1516; 1517; 1522; 1526; 1528; 1529; 1534; 1537; 1538; 1542; 1552; 1557; 1596; 1609
The following are at Miller Street
517; 541; 579; 594; 606; 619; 650; 665
693
1435; 1448
1541; 1555; 1578; 1581; 1595; 1597; 1601; 1603; 1605; 1606; 1611; 1621; 1645; 1690
7086; 7115; 7123; 7125; 7126
9958
With the following also at Walsall on 1/11/13:
654; 655
1412; 1463
1691; 1692
Is is safe to assume the remainder will be at LH? There could also be another clearout of scrap looming with the withdrawals following all 26 E400's entering service
I'd assume the same - a whole raft of withdrawn buses must be located at Lea Hall. It has gone very quiet in terms of updates from LH, presumably Tony has not been on-site for a while.
Few queries: Is 4007 still at MS? I had 684/708/711 & 1503/4 plus 1644/58/63-64 stored at Pensnett - have they moved on from there? I'm not sure of the whereabouts of potential Trainers 1687/89, I had them at Miller Street. Are 3604/6-7/9/11/3 still hanging around? And finally I had Metrobus Trainer 9955 as withdrawn at MS not 9958.
Paul
Yes those are all still at Pensnett, Tony's latest list was just the latest arrivals, you're also missing 687, 1414, 1442, 1471 & 1472 which are stored at Pensnett
One of 1687/9 is being converted into a trainer at Walsall, the other is being converted into a 'medical bus' at Perry Barr, I cannot remember which way around it is
There must be quite a few vehicles at Lea Hall then. I noticed that the satellite view on Google Earth has been updated and shows a group of single deckers at the back of the garage and what looks like a double decker with the roof missing. Not sure how old the picture is though.
Quote from: don on November 10, 2013, 01:53:51 PM
There must be quite a few vehicles at Lea Hall then. I noticed that the satellite view on Google Earth has been updated and shows a group of single deckers at the back of the garage and what looks like a double decker with the roof missing. Not sure how old the picture is though.
That is 4030 without the roof
Quote from: Tony on November 08, 2013, 12:34:31 PM
The following should now be at Pensnett
1516; 1517; 1522; 1526; 1528; 1529; 1534; 1537; 1538; 1542; 1552; 1557; 1596; 1609
More reserve fleet arrivals for storage at Pensnett are:
B6LE's - 502, 544, 561, 595, 635, 648, 649, 658 & 660
Dart/ALX - 3607
Quote from: Winston on November 25, 2013, 11:42:23 AM
Quote from: Tony on November 08, 2013, 12:34:31 PM
The following should now be at Pensnett
1516; 1517; 1522; 1526; 1528; 1529; 1534; 1537; 1538; 1542; 1552; 1557; 1596; 1609
More reserve fleet arrivals for storage at Pensnett are:
B6LE's - 502, 544, 561, 595, 635, 648, 649, 658 & 660
Dart/ALX - 3607
I'm glad to see 502 at least back at Pensnett.
When was the last time a withdrawn vehicle (in the same position as 502, 544, etc) has been reinstated to public service at a garage?
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 25, 2013, 01:48:37 PM
Quote from: Winston on November 25, 2013, 11:42:23 AM
Quote from: Tony on November 08, 2013, 12:34:31 PM
The following should now be at Pensnett
1516; 1517; 1522; 1526; 1528; 1529; 1534; 1537; 1538; 1542; 1552; 1557; 1596; 1609
More reserve fleet arrivals for storage at Pensnett are:
B6LE's - 502, 544, 561, 595, 635, 648, 649, 658 & 660
Dart/ALX - 3607
I'm glad to see 502 at least back at Pensnett.
When was the last time a withdrawn vehicle (in the same position as 502, 544, etc) has been reinstated to public service at a garage?
Can't remember, but I would hazzard a guess it may have been a Solo or B6LE
The latest B6LE at Pensnett look in decent as withdrawn condition, they don't appear to have had any parts robbed off them. Highly doubt they will ever see service again though
It was probably 3610, which was reinstated in July to replace accident damaged 3604.
Quote from: uniquicity on November 25, 2013, 02:20:14 PM
It was probably 3610, which was reinstated in July to replace accident damaged 3604.
Forgot about that one, cheers Boss! ;)
And some time prior to that didn't Perry Barr receive 287 that had previously been sidelined at Wolvo for a while...
Quote from: The Real 4778 on November 25, 2013, 05:45:57 PM
And some time prior to that didn't Perry Barr receive 287 that had previously been sidelined at Wolvo for a while...
Didn't that come straight from Coventry?
306 was withdrawn from Walsall April 2010, and was reinstated to Perry Barr July 2011. Was withdrawn again for good in May 2013
B10L 1420 is stored at Pensnett
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24034040@N07/11873435623/
Whilst 1525 & 1639 withdrawn at Pensnett in late Dec, have been moved in with the rest of the reserve fleet at Pensnett
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24034040@N07/11873134425/
This is probably a silly question but as someone whos never been to PE in his life, is 1420 visible from outside the garage anywhere, any fences or anything? Would love a last pic before she goes for good.
Quote from: trident4370 on January 10, 2014, 11:13:35 PM
This is probably a silly question but as someone whos never been to PE in his life, is 1420 visible from outside the garage anywhere, any fences or anything? Would love a last pic before she goes for good.
No, I'm pretty sure I know where 1420 is parked. It would be visible through a fence had they not parked another row of NXC Mercs infront of it
Quote from: Winston on January 10, 2014, 11:15:53 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on January 10, 2014, 11:13:35 PM
This is probably a silly question but as someone whos never been to PE in his life, is 1420 visible from outside the garage anywhere, any fences or anything? Would love a last pic before she goes for good.
No, I'm pretty sure I know where 1420 is parked. It would be visible through a fence had they not parked another row of NXC Mercs infront of it
Bugger, just my luck :( Was worth asking though, Thanks Winston.
Quote from: trident4370 on January 10, 2014, 11:17:51 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 10, 2014, 11:15:53 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on January 10, 2014, 11:13:35 PM
This is probably a silly question but as someone whos never been to PE in his life, is 1420 visible from outside the garage anywhere, any fences or anything? Would love a last pic before she goes for good.
No, I'm pretty sure I know where 1420 is parked. It would be visible through a fence had they not parked another row of NXC Mercs infront of it
Bugger, just my luck :( Was worth asking though, Thanks Winston.
If anything gets moved & it's visible from the fence I'll try & remember to let you know
Quote from: Winston on January 10, 2014, 11:25:16 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on January 10, 2014, 11:17:51 PM
Quote from: Winston on January 10, 2014, 11:15:53 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on January 10, 2014, 11:13:35 PM
This is probably a silly question but as someone whos never been to PE in his life, is 1420 visible from outside the garage anywhere, any fences or anything? Would love a last pic before she goes for good.
No, I'm pretty sure I know where 1420 is parked. It would be visible through a fence had they not parked another row of NXC Mercs infront of it
Bugger, just my luck :( Was worth asking though, Thanks Winston.
If anything gets moved & it's visible from the fence I'll try & remember to let you know
I appreciate that Winston, cheers ;)
292, 517, 530, 541, 1581, 1595 and 4075 have all left Miller Street to PVS in the last few days.
9697 the old 8 seat Ford Transit has also gone for scrap.
The Five last remaining Excels are not in the current batch of disposals but will be leaving soon. Anyone want to preserve one? or is this one of the types of buses from the WMT/NXWM fleet that are going to disappear forever.
Compared to some of the buses that have been sold for preservation they will not be that expensive if previous prices for Excels are anything to go by, so if there is anyone out there who wants to end up with a unique preserved bus instead of one of the crowd they need to make themselves known to NXWM in the near future!
tony, out of interest, what happened to solo 281? also which 5 excels are left
Quote from: mranon on April 11, 2014, 07:14:42 PM
tony, out of interest, what happened to solo 281? also which 5 excels are left
281 might've left miller street
4003 is on the scrap line at miller st.
is lea hall depot still using as storage fo buses
Quote from: STEVEN 33 on April 15, 2014, 10:46:43 AM
is lea hall depot still using as storage fo buses
The depot has been sold to a fabric recycling company, the depot has been emptied of reserve fleet vehicles, but a number are still parked outside in the yard. Not sure if this is short term/long term arrangement?
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2595.0
Ex NXC O45N 1595 departed miller street today 1100
photo- https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/13872437023/
video-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPf5Mig34_s
WB 1652 now at miller street next to parked 7115 and 9955
Forgot to say, the Mercs that had been pulled out & parked in the staff car parking area marked up for 'PVS' had all gone by Thursday last week.
At PVS:
1644 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/14154735325/
1664 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/14151419471/
I don't suppose anyone knows if 1420 is visible from the fence at PE garage yet do they?
Quote from: trident4370 on May 11, 2014, 10:03:47 PM
I don't suppose anyone knows if 1420 is visible from the fence at PE garage yet do they?
No, you still can't see it from the fence. It has approx 4 rows of buses in front it
Quote from: Winston on May 11, 2014, 10:06:53 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 11, 2014, 10:03:47 PM
I don't suppose anyone knows if 1420 is visible from the fence at PE garage yet do they?
No, you still can't see it from the fence. It has approx 4 rows of buses in front it
Damn :( Thanks Winston
Quote from: trident4370 on May 11, 2014, 10:15:01 PM
Quote from: Winston on May 11, 2014, 10:06:53 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 11, 2014, 10:03:47 PM
I don't suppose anyone knows if 1420 is visible from the fence at PE garage yet do they?
No, you still can't see it from the fence. It has approx 4 rows of buses in front it
Damn :( Thanks Winston
It's right in the bottom corner furthest away for the fence. Until it's either pulled out or the yard is cleared you've got little chance of seeing it.
Damnit, disappointing to hear but at least I know now :(
B6 665 & excel 7?? heading down m6 on tow trucks this morning.
Quote from: pb2012 on May 12, 2014, 07:12:24 PM
B6 665 & excel 7?? heading down m6 on tow trucks this morning.
definately 7xx? or 684?
Quote from: pb2012 on May 12, 2014, 07:12:24 PM
B6 665 & excel 7?? heading down m6 on tow trucks this morning.
possible from miller street
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 12, 2014, 07:20:24 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on May 12, 2014, 07:12:24 PM
B6 665 & excel 7?? heading down m6 on tow trucks this morning.
possible from miller street
More likely Pensnett to PVS
Quote from: Tony on May 12, 2014, 07:22:55 PM
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 12, 2014, 07:20:24 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on May 12, 2014, 07:12:24 PM
B6 665 & excel 7?? heading down m6 on tow trucks this morning.
possible from miller street
More likely Pensnett to PVS
665 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/99593182@N08/13975207878/
684 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/99593182@N08/14161854465/in/photostream/
Quote from: Tony on May 12, 2014, 07:20:02 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on May 12, 2014, 07:12:24 PM
B6 665 & excel 7?? heading down m6 on tow trucks this morning.
definately 7xx? or 684?
It began 7?? poss 711 hence the ??.
Quote from: pb2012 on May 12, 2014, 08:02:26 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 12, 2014, 07:20:02 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on May 12, 2014, 07:12:24 PM
B6 665 & excel 7?? heading down m6 on tow trucks this morning.
definately 7xx? or 684?
It began 7?? poss 711 hence the ??.
I'll have to see if 708 or 711 are missing from the line-up at Pensnett
A tranning bus merc has been burnt to the ground will get
Number when I see it
Quote from: lynx1103 on May 12, 2014, 10:19:31 PM
A tranning bus merc has been burnt to the ground will get
Number when I see it
There is only two merc trainers 1688 & 1689 it'll most likely be 1688 from when it caught fire on the M6 a short while back. :)
684 was the Excel towed away yesterday
Quote from: Winston on May 12, 2014, 08:07:49 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on May 12, 2014, 08:02:26 PM
Quote from: Tony on May 12, 2014, 07:20:02 PM
Quote from: pb2012 on May 12, 2014, 07:12:24 PM
B6 665 & excel 7?? heading down m6 on tow trucks this morning.
definately 7xx? or 684?
It began 7?? poss 711 hence the ??.
I'll have to see if 708 or 711 are missing from the line-up at Pensnett
707 and 711 as well as 687 were still there at 4:30pm yesterday
@trident43701420 has been pulled out from the bottom corner, suggesting it could become coke cans soon. It's looking a bit sorry for itself
https://www.flickr.com/photos/99593182@N08/13992628559/
Wow, I suppose I'm out of luck big time now! Poor thing though, what a state it's in now almost begging to be put out of its misery.
Quote from: trident4370 on May 14, 2014, 11:09:15 PM
Wow, I suppose I'm out of luck big time now! Poor thing though, what a state it's in now almost begging to be put out of its misery.
Is hasn't got 'PVS' on the windscreen yet, you still wouldn't be able to see where it is currently parked. It is looking a bit sorry for itself....
Quote from: Winston on May 14, 2014, 11:11:30 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 14, 2014, 11:09:15 PM
Wow, I suppose I'm out of luck big time now! Poor thing though, what a state it's in now almost begging to be put out of its misery.
Is hasn't got 'PVS' on the windscreen yet, you still wouldn't be able to see where it is currently parked. It is looking a bit sorry for itself....
I hate to say it but in that state I can't see it going anywhere else but PVS or EMR or the coca cola factory :( No way for such a quality bus to go but sadly that's the way it is.
Looked at miller street yesterday
Ex AG 7122 is gone
Ex MCW trainer 9955 moved you can only see rear back of it
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on May 19, 2014, 08:19:21 AM
Looked at miller street yesterday
Ex AG 7122 is gone
Ex MCW trainer 9955 moved you can only see rear back of it
7122? Never been down here. It is preserved with Dundee Transport Museum
The following are the latest two batches to go to PVS
665; 684; 1644; 1654; 1663; 1664; 1675
292; 517; 530; 541; 1581; 1595; 4075
so no 7xx Excel gone up the M6
Just to add dates to those Tony, 1675 left Park Lane Friday 16th and 1654 left Pensnett Thursday 15th.
It was 7115 i spotted
Quote from: Tony on May 19, 2014, 08:56:17 AM
The following are the latest two batches to go to PVS
665; 684; 1644; 1654; 1663; 1664; 1675
292; 517; 530; 541; 1581; 1595; 4075
Just curious, when are you going to put these on the main site? So, I can update my list
Thanks in advance (https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freesmileys.org%2Fsmileys%2Fsmiley-basic%2Fsmile.gif&hash=1a5545bce897a0493ff96ee191f6d744b5345738)
1577 and 1.... at miller street on their front window there's PVS written on them these might be the departures from miller street.
30 more vehicles have been sold to PVS. First two to leave are 1541 & 1577
Quote from: Tony on June 13, 2014, 10:09:41 PM
30 more vehicles have been sold to PVS. First two to leave are 1541 & 1577
Reserve fleet are having a big clearout then before the new buses arrive/the next lot are withdrawn
Is the LH yard still going to be used long term?
Quote from: Winston on June 13, 2014, 11:57:09 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 13, 2014, 10:09:41 PM
30 more vehicles have been sold to PVS. First two to leave are 1541 & 1577
Reserve fleet are having a big clearout then before the new buses arrive/the next lot are withdrawn
Is the LH yard still going to be used long term?
Mr PVS visited again today and removed 594; 1645 & 1676
Who says a driver cannot drive two buses at once?
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1515-1743/1676.html
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1515-1743/1645.html
tony, you mean who says you cant drive 2 buses and a flat bed lol!!!! a new type of eco bendi bus lol
Quote from: Winston on June 13, 2014, 11:57:09 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 13, 2014, 10:09:41 PM
30 more vehicles have been sold to PVS. First two to leave are 1541 & 1577
Reserve fleet are having a big clearout then before the new buses arrive/the next lot are withdrawn
Is the LH yard still going to be used long term?
im not too sure about LH but there is still some withdrawn B10s,B6s and Mercs parked at the back
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on June 19, 2014, 04:55:05 PM
Quote from: Winston on June 13, 2014, 11:57:09 PM
Quote from: Tony on June 13, 2014, 10:09:41 PM
30 more vehicles have been sold to PVS. First two to leave are 1541 & 1577
Reserve fleet are having a big clearout then before the new buses arrive/the next lot are withdrawn
Is the LH yard still going to be used long term?
im not too sure about LH but there is still some withdrawn B10s,B6s and Mercs parked at the back
Thanks for that, thought there were still a decent amount stored outside in the yard
I notice a lot of the withdrawn mercedes 0404n are missing engines , is there a demand for them?
Quote from: 2900 on June 25, 2014, 11:31:22 PM
I notice a lot of the withdrawn mercedes 0404n are missing engines , is there a demand for them?
I understand it's fairly standard practice to remove engines from withdrawn buses prior to being scrapped. In the case of the 0405N's, the engines out of those may well being removed as spares for the operational fleet. I can't see there being a demand elsewhere in the UK for them, as TWM were unique in placing a fleet order for the type
I noticed in my Hockley days when mark one metro buses that were scrapped from the garage had there engines removed to be sold on for use as generators and even placed in boats , that's wot the engineers told us drivers. I assumed there might be some after Life for the big brute merc engine, man those buses had power to fly up hills, city road 120 service no problem flew up that hill.
Quote from: 2900 on June 26, 2014, 12:14:58 AM
I noticed in my Hockley days when mark one metro buses that were scrapped from the garage had there engines removed to be sold on for use as generators and even placed in boats , that's wot the engineers told us drivers. I assumed there might be some after Life for the big brute merc engine, man those buses had power to fly up hills, city road 120 service no problem flew up that hill.
You may well be right, I've seen the Miller St flatbed lorry loaded up with removed engines in the past, destination unknown
1435 departed miller street 26/06/14 to PVS
1540; 1601; 1603; 1611; 1621 & 1690 have now all gone to PVS.
A clearout of the worst of Pensnett should start next week
1516; 1517; 1522; 1526; 1528; 1529; 1534; 1537; 1538; 1542; 1552; 1555; 1557; 1596; 1609 & 1658
all due to go
554 & 3604 complete the 30 disposal currently leaving
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2014, 07:52:44 PM
1540; 1601; 1603; 1611; 1621 & 1690 have now all gone to PVS.
A clearout of the worst of Pensnett should start next week
1516; 1517; 1522; 1526; 1528; 1529; 1534; 1537; 1538; 1542; 1552; 1555; 1557; 1596; 1609 & 1658
all due to go
554 & 3604 complete the 30 disposal currently leaving
That should clear a bit of room at Pensnett, notice how there's no B10L's going.
Is 4341 still at BC?
Quote from: Winston on July 08, 2014, 08:05:26 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2014, 07:52:44 PM
1540; 1601; 1603; 1611; 1621 & 1690 have now all gone to PVS.
A clearout of the worst of Pensnett should start next week
1516; 1517; 1522; 1526; 1528; 1529; 1534; 1537; 1538; 1542; 1552; 1555; 1557; 1596; 1609 & 1658
all due to go
554 & 3604 complete the 30 disposal currently leaving
That should clear a bit of room at Pensnett, notice how's there no B10L's going.
Wonder if any Spectra's will end up at PE for the reserve?
4013 is now withdrawn @ WN
Another one bites the dust
I assume West Bromwich garage old darts will find new homes rather than a trip to Pvs , Independant operators do like them for some strang reason even though they are complete and utter sheds .
1413 is another withdrawal, now at Miller Street
if nxwm could sell anything i would think it would be a dart - especially with a wright or alexander body over a plaxton one. with small operators needing to go to low floor dda soon. looking at a certain local operator, they probably are much better condition than their latest acquisitions!!!
West brom had two wrightbus crusader dart slf 7084 7086 they were withdrawn last year I think, very tidy looking vehicles , never drove one so could compare with the alexander alx100 example. Some drivers made comments to effects abosulute crap to drive. Are these rusting away at miller street. Would have thought these two would have found new owners being refurbed examples. Has anyone travelled on these two a passenger what were thoughts.
Quote from: 2900 on July 28, 2014, 10:19:50 AM
West brom had two wrightbus crusader dart slf 7084 7086 they were withdrawn last year I think, very tidy looking vehicles , never drove one so could compare with the alexander alx100 example. Some drivers made comments to effects abosulute crap to drive. Are these rusting away at miller street. Would have thought these two would have found new owners being refurbed examples. Has anyone travelled on these two a passenger what were thoughts.
7084 is currently disintegrating at Pensnett:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/99593182@N08/14428372668/
Quote from: 2900 on July 28, 2014, 10:19:50 AM
West brom had two wrightbus crusader dart slf 7084 7086 they were withdrawn last year I think, very tidy looking vehicles , had 7086 drove one so could compare with the alexander alx100 example. Some drivers made comments to effects abosulute crap to drive. Are these rusting away at miller street. Would have thought these two would have found new owners being refurbed examples. Has anyone travelled on these two a passenger what were thoughts.
had 7086 on a 428 back in winter 2012. Worse than the b6 sheds of the time would be my opinion, as in poor suspension with an ageing interior
Did they have the nice bench seats?
Quote from: uniquicity on July 28, 2014, 08:49:48 PM
Did they have the nice bench seats?
I'm pretty sure they did have bench seats with the standard Metrobus chrome seat frames rather than plastic individual seat cushions as per the B6LE's
Quote from: uniquicity on July 28, 2014, 08:49:48 PM
Did they have the nice bench seats?
Yeah, they did. I actually liked the Dart Crusaders, they were a decent ride, seemed quite nippy too
I hated them apart from the seats. But I like Wham! so my opinion is invalid
7084 and 7086 were dogs.
IIRC the steering wheel didn't come up very far, driver seat didn't go low enough, blinds were a bugger to change and the cab was vey small. was very glad when then went.
YW 1413 now withdrawn at Miller Street
Quote from: Tony on July 31, 2014, 02:16:02 PM
YW 1413 now withdrawn at Miller Street
also 1411 saw it parked infront of withdrawn 9955
Have 1612 and 1636 been withdrawn? Got a poorly written message today saying that was the case
Quote from: Ashley on July 31, 2014, 06:27:32 PM
Have 1612 and 1636 been withdrawn? Got a poorly written message today saying that was the case
Both are withdrawn buddy :)
Quote from: Ashley on July 31, 2014, 06:27:32 PM
Have 1612 and 1636 been withdrawn? Got a poorly written message today saying that was the case
I think 1616 is at miller street not sure about 1612
Shame about 1616 if that has gone
Quote from: Ashley on July 31, 2014, 08:16:11 PM
Shame about 1616 if that has gone
1616 has been out on the 276 all day today!
Quote from: P419 EJW on July 31, 2014, 08:45:46 PM
Quote from: Winston on July 28, 2014, 08:54:44 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on July 28, 2014, 08:49:48 PM
Did they have the nice bench seats?
I'm pretty sure they did have bench seats with the standard Metrobus chrome seat frames rather than plastic individual seat cushions as per the B6LE's
I didn't like 7084 and 7086. They should have stayed in Dundee. I had a ride on both of them whilst they were at West Bromwich. They didn't feel the same as other B6s 501 - 680. The chairs were as mentioned above but I felt it sort of was a mini Metrobus or something like that. Notice the middle window isn't small like other B6s, that's how I notice they were ex-Dundee.
That's because they were Darts, not B6s
Never mind then. I'll delete my comment.
Do we know if 1411/13 have left MS yet? Cant see either here atm.
Pic of 1658 in a Scrap Yard that I found on flickr
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/14601304998/
Quote from: the trainbasher on August 01, 2014, 11:24:20 AM
Pic of 1658 in a Scrap Yard that I found on flickr
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/14601304998/
For a second there I thought there was someone in the driver's cab ::)
Quote from: Sh4318 on August 01, 2014, 12:04:44 PM
For a second there I thought there was someone in the driver's cab ::)
Haha! I see exactly what you mean!
Over on Flickr I found a load of scans of disposals-related WMPTE documentation from the one and only Fuzz Townshend, an example here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/fuzztownshend/13165666663/in/photostream/lightbox/
I had no idea Fuzz was an old school busnut!
Does anyone know how much bus breakers like Pvs for example pay for decommissioned buses. How come the b6le went to darlaston recycling to be scrapped , being local should all nx scrap buses go there instead of dragging buses up the m6 to Barnsley , sure this can't be environmentally friendly. In Today's climate big corporations want to be seen lowering there carbon foot print. Yes the new buses are more fuel efficient blah blah , just thought I,d put this question out there.
530 is an open topper now
https://flic.kr/p/ndpyvv (https://flic.kr/p/ndpyvv)
Quote from: uniquicity on August 01, 2014, 03:41:49 PM
530 is an open topper now
https://flic.kr/p/ndpyvv (https://flic.kr/p/ndpyvv)
think it's quite sad to see buses that we have all come to love/hate in the last stages of there life.
I do hope someone will preserve a B6!
Quote from: trident4370 on August 01, 2014, 10:20:47 AM
Do we know if 1411/13 have left MS yet? Cant see either here atm.
1411 is right by the gate of the top yard, face to face with 9955
Quote from: Tony on August 01, 2014, 04:05:35 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on August 01, 2014, 10:20:47 AM
Do we know if 1411/13 have left MS yet? Cant see either here atm.
1411 is right by the gate of the top yard, face to face with 9955
Damn, I must've walked past it without realising. Out of curiosity does it still have its blinds?
Quote from: 2900 on August 01, 2014, 03:41:07 PM
Does anyone know how much bus breakers like Pvs for example pay for decommissioned buses. How come the b6le went to darlaston recycling to be scrapped , being local should all nx scrap buses go there instead of dragging buses up the m6 to Barnsley , sure this can't be environmentally friendly. In Today's climate big corporations want to be seen lowering there carbon foot print. Yes the new buses are more fuel efficient blah blah , just thought I,d put this question out there.
to give you a rough idea, pvs pay £400 a pop for first south yorkshires b10ble's
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on August 01, 2014, 03:55:55 PM
Quote from: uniquicity on August 01, 2014, 03:41:49 PM
530 is an open topper now
https://flic.kr/p/ndpyvv (https://flic.kr/p/ndpyvv)
think it's quite sad to see buses that we have all come to love/hate in the last stages of there life.
I do hope someone will preserve a B6!
every time i hear that second statement, all i can say is if anybody wants something saved, save it
WB3603 is now at miller street
PB320 arrived at miller street 1020
1696 and 584 have also moved from the lineup at Oak Road so will be elsewhere now
Quote from: uniquicity on August 07, 2014, 11:59:29 AM
1696 and 584 have also moved from the lineup at Oak Road so will be elsewhere now
584 at miller street- https://flic.kr/p/oE56KZ
3 Mercedes O405Ns marked PVS on front windows today at miller street
also possible a WB O405N arrived at miller street today around 1045
Still couldn't see 1411 today at MS :( 1651 was there though.
Quote from: trident4370 on August 08, 2014, 07:16:55 PM
Still couldn't see 1411 today at MS :( 1651 was there though.
1411 has gone, it was where 584 is now
Quote from: Tony on August 08, 2014, 07:18:36 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on August 08, 2014, 07:16:55 PM
Still couldn't see 1411 today at MS :( 1651 was there though.
1411 has gone, it was where 584 is now
I saw 584 yesterday parked infront of 9955
also 320 is now parked at ms with 9955 and others
Quote from: Tony on August 08, 2014, 07:18:36 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on August 08, 2014, 07:16:55 PM
Still couldn't see 1411 today at MS :( 1651 was there though.
1411 has gone, it was where 584 is now
While I was on 4318 on the 14 (towards Brum) Tuesday Morning 1411 passed me on Audley Road heading towards Lea Village around 09:00-09:15 not sure where it was going.
Quote from: Tony on August 08, 2014, 07:18:36 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on August 08, 2014, 07:16:55 PM
Still couldn't see 1411 today at MS :( 1651 was there though.
1411 has gone, it was where 584 is now
Thanks for that info, shame as I was hoping to try and get a last goodbye photo and ask about its blinds :(
Quote from: Rob on August 08, 2014, 07:25:02 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 08, 2014, 07:18:36 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on August 08, 2014, 07:16:55 PM
Still couldn't see 1411 today at MS :( 1651 was there though.
1411 has gone, it was where 584 is now
While I was on 4318 on the 14 (towards Brum) Tuesday Morning 1411 passed me on Audley Road heading towards Lea Village around 09:00-09:15 not sure where it was going.
Looks like it has gone to Lea Hall
Quote from: Tony on August 08, 2014, 07:34:45 PM
Quote from: Rob on August 08, 2014, 07:25:02 PM
Quote from: Tony on August 08, 2014, 07:18:36 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on August 08, 2014, 07:16:55 PM
Still couldn't see 1411 today at MS :( 1651 was there though.
1411 has gone, it was where 584 is now
While I was on 4318 on the 14 (towards Brum) Tuesday Morning 1411 passed me on Audley Road heading towards Lea Village around 09:00-09:15 not sure where it was going.
Looks like it has gone to Lea Hall
are they just leaving them at lea hall and no ones takes them?
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2014, 07:52:44 PM
1540; 1601; 1603; 1611; 1621 & 1690 have now all gone to PVS.
A clearout of the worst of Pensnett should start next week
1516; 1517; 1522; 1526; 1528; 1529; 1534; 1537; 1538; 1542; 1552; 1555; 1557; 1596; 1609 & 1658
all due to go
554 & 3604 complete the 30 disposal currently leaving
Tony, can you clarify the whereabouts of Mercedes 1690 - this has gone for scrap I believe, but it still appears as 'withdrawn' on your fleetlist. Has this one gone? Similarly I have fire victim 1688 as scrapped too, but again it may still be in NXWM ownership?
Looking on the most recent NXWM fleet changes/updates (July '14) - those Mercs most recently sold for scrap reads as: 1540/2/5/7 etc (but I think should read 1540/52/55/57 etc) in other words 1552/1555/1557 went in July, not 1542/1545/1547. Would I be correct?!
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 10, 2014, 08:05:53 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2014, 07:52:44 PM
1540; 1601; 1603; 1611; 1621 & 1690 have now all gone to PVS.
A clearout of the worst of Pensnett should start next week
1516; 1517; 1522; 1526; 1528; 1529; 1534; 1537; 1538; 1542; 1552; 1555; 1557; 1596; 1609 & 1658
all due to go
554 & 3604 complete the 30 disposal currently leaving
Tony, can you clarify the whereabouts of Mercedes 1690 - this has gone for scrap I believe, but it still appears as 'withdrawn' on your fleetlist. Has this one gone? Similarly I have fire victim 1688 as scrapped too, but again it may still be in NXWM ownership?
Looking on the most recent NXWM fleet changes/updates (July '14) - those Mercs most recently sold for scrap reads as: 1540/2/5/7 etc (but I think should read 1540/52/55/57 etc) in other words 1552/1555/1557 went in July, not 1542/1545/1547. Would I be correct?!
1557 was still at Pensnett last Thurs when 1526 was being collected by PVS
Quote from: Winston on August 10, 2014, 08:12:17 PM
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 10, 2014, 08:05:53 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2014, 07:52:44 PM
1540; 1601; 1603; 1611; 1621 & 1690 have now all gone to PVS.
A clearout of the worst of Pensnett should start next week
1516; 1517; 1522; 1526; 1528; 1529; 1534; 1537; 1538; 1542; 1552; 1555; 1557; 1596; 1609 & 1658
all due to go
554 & 3604 complete the 30 disposal currently leaving
Tony, can you clarify the whereabouts of Mercedes 1690 - this has gone for scrap I believe, but it still appears as 'withdrawn' on your fleetlist. Has this one gone? Similarly I have fire victim 1688 as scrapped too, but again it may still be in NXWM ownership?
Looking on the most recent NXWM fleet changes/updates (July '14) - those Mercs most recently sold for scrap reads as: 1540/2/5/7 etc (but I think should read 1540/52/55/57 etc) in other words 1552/1555/1557 went in July, not 1542/1545/1547. Would I be correct?!
1557 was still at Pensnett last Thurs when 1526 was being collected by PVS
I'm fairly sure 1545/1547 are still with NXWM (withdrawn but location unknown). I had 1557 as sold to PVS (although it seems the sale date & collection date can differ). Actually looking at Tony's list, 1540/1542/1552/1555/1557 may have all been sold to PVS for scrap in July.
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 10, 2014, 08:18:51 PM
Quote from: Winston on August 10, 2014, 08:12:17 PM
Quote from: paulb1973 on August 10, 2014, 08:05:53 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2014, 07:52:44 PM
1540; 1601; 1603; 1611; 1621 & 1690 have now all gone to PVS.
A clearout of the worst of Pensnett should start next week
1516; 1517; 1522; 1526; 1528; 1529; 1534; 1537; 1538; 1542; 1552; 1555; 1557; 1596; 1609 & 1658
all due to go
554 & 3604 complete the 30 disposal currently leaving
Tony, can you clarify the whereabouts of Mercedes 1690 - this has gone for scrap I believe, but it still appears as 'withdrawn' on your fleetlist. Has this one gone? Similarly I have fire victim 1688 as scrapped too, but again it may still be in NXWM ownership?
Looking on the most recent NXWM fleet changes/updates (July '14) - those Mercs most recently sold for scrap reads as: 1540/2/5/7 etc (but I think should read 1540/52/55/57 etc) in other words 1552/1555/1557 went in July, not 1542/1545/1547. Would I be correct?!
1557 was still at Pensnett last Thurs when 1526 was being collected by PVS
I'm fairly sure 1545/1547 are still with NXWM (withdrawn but location unknown). I had 1557 as sold to PVS (although it seems the sale date & collection date can differ). Actually looking at Tony's list, 1540/1542/1552/1555/1557 may have all been sold to PVS for scrap in July.
I agree, I also have 1557 down as sold to be PVS, but as of last Thurs it definitely hadn't been collected/left Pensnett to be re-incarnated as coke cans
The following vehicles I put down as disposed of hadn't left by 1/8/14
554, 1522/26/28/38/57 & 3604
Quote from: Tony on August 10, 2014, 09:26:43 PM
The following vehicles I put down as disposed of hadn't left by 1/8/14
554, 1522/26/28/38/57 & 3604
1538 & 1557 were still present at Pensnett Monday (11th)
The withdrawn merc 0405n have all left the oak road compound last week I think. In side the main garage there does appear to more withdrawn mercs by the traffic office forgot the fleet numbers.
Spot the 0405N in this pic
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/14975769721/
Would love to know which one it is
Quote from: John on August 20, 2014, 01:39:03 PM
Spot the 0405N in this pic
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/14975769721/
Would love to know which one it is
This one:
(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.trendhunterstatic.com%2Fthumbs%2Fspying-tins-of-baked-beans.jpeg&hash=28b5387ad2cc9222665a67333cf37b421c30e9b1)
Quote from: Liverpool Street on August 20, 2014, 03:50:39 PM
Quote from: John on August 20, 2014, 01:39:03 PM
Spot the 0405N in this pic
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/14975769721/
Would love to know which one it is
This one:
(https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.trendhunterstatic.com%2Fthumbs%2Fspying-tins-of-baked-beans.jpeg&hash=28b5387ad2cc9222665a67333cf37b421c30e9b1)
1869 is an Omnilink :P
Quote from: Winston on August 13, 2014, 11:39:47 AM
Quote from: Tony on August 10, 2014, 09:26:43 PM
The following vehicles I put down as disposed of hadn't left by 1/8/14
554, 1522/26/28/38/57 & 3604
1538 & 1557 were still present at Pensnett Monday (11th)
1538 & 1557 have both now left Pensnett to start their new careers as coke cans....
Lmao! Oh dear
1701 has now been moved to Pensnett for storage
1586 & 3608 are now at Miller Street
Quote from: Tony on September 09, 2014, 09:47:19 AM
1586 & 3608 are now at Miller Street
3601 has also now retired
Quote from: Tony on September 09, 2014, 09:47:19 AM
1586 & 3608 are now at Miller Street
Tony, do you know if Mercs 1547/1592/1612/1636/1655 have been sold to PVS for scrap? All those [except 1592] were dumped outside CV in Aug - but seem to have disappeared. Recent withdrawal 1558 was parked outside the garage on Sunday though.
Have any WN or WB B6LE's been withdrawn over the weekend?
Quote from: paulb1973 on September 09, 2014, 02:38:24 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 09, 2014, 09:47:19 AM
1586 & 3608 are now at Miller Street
Tony, do you know if Mercs 1547/1592/1612/1636/1655 have been sold to PVS for scrap? All those [except 1592] were dumped outside CV in Aug - but seem to have disappeared. Recent withdrawal 1558 was parked outside the garage on Sunday though.
I think several have come to Miller Street, although I haven't had a walk around for over a week
Quote from: Tony on September 15, 2014, 06:26:44 PM
Quote from: paulb1973 on September 09, 2014, 02:38:24 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 09, 2014, 09:47:19 AM
1586 & 3608 are now at Miller Street
Tony, do you know if Mercs 1547/1592/1612/1636/1655 have been sold to PVS for scrap? All those [except 1592] were dumped outside CV in Aug - but seem to have disappeared. Recent withdrawal 1558 was parked outside the garage on Sunday though.
I think several have come to Miller Street, although I haven't had a walk around for over a week
And as has just been pointed out to me 1547, 1592 & 1655 are listed on the main site as having gone to PVS
Just a quick question - where is 1441 now? Has it been scrapped yet or is it still at some site, just not being used?
Quote from: Liberator9 on September 15, 2014, 07:43:53 PM
Just a quick question - where is 1441 now? Has it been scrapped yet or is it still at some site, just not being used?
I suspect it may be at Lea Hall
Quote from: Tony on September 15, 2014, 07:34:51 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 15, 2014, 06:26:44 PM
Quote from: paulb1973 on September 09, 2014, 02:38:24 PM
Quote from: Tony on September 09, 2014, 09:47:19 AM
1586 & 3608 are now at Miller Street
Tony, do you know if Mercs 1547/1592/1612/1636/1655 have been sold to PVS for scrap? All those [except 1592] were dumped outside CV in Aug - but seem to have disappeared. Recent withdrawal 1558 was parked outside the garage on Sunday though.
I think several have come to Miller Street, although I haven't had a walk around for over a week
And as has just been pointed out to me 1547, 1592 & 1655 are listed on the main site as having gone to PVS
Yes, thanks for that - your last update covered most of those. There is a recent pic on Flickr of 1612 [well purporting to be] at MS, so I have the whereabouts of most of them.
Thanks Winston - didn't know they were still using Lea Hall as a storage place.
Quote from: Liberator9 on September 16, 2014, 03:05:53 PM
Thanks Winston - didn't know they were still using Lea Hall as a storage place.
I'm note sure of the arrangement, the depot building was sold & is occupied by a fabric recycling company. The outside yard is still currently being used by NXWM for storing the reserve fleet, not sure if that is short-term or permanent?
Quote from: Winston on September 16, 2014, 03:34:55 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on September 16, 2014, 03:05:53 PM
Thanks Winston - didn't know they were still using Lea Hall as a storage place.
I'm note sure of the arrangement, the depot building was sold & is occupied by a fabric recycling company. The outside yard is still currently being used by NXWM for storing the reserve fleet, not sure if that is short-term or permanent?
I paid a visit to Lea Hall on Sunday, a lot of buses stored there. Through gaps in the fence I could see 1523, 1599, 1604 & 1697 but there were an awful lot more mostly parked closely together.
Quote from: 4130Quinton on September 17, 2014, 09:58:44 PM
Quote from: Winston on September 16, 2014, 03:34:55 PM
Quote from: Liberator9 on September 16, 2014, 03:05:53 PM
Thanks Winston - didn't know they were still using Lea Hall as a storage place.
I'm note sure of the arrangement, the depot building was sold & is occupied by a fabric recycling company. The outside yard is still currently being used by NXWM for storing the reserve fleet, not sure if that is short-term or permanent?
I paid a visit to Lea Hall on Sunday, a lot of buses stored there. Through gaps in the fence I could see 1523, 1599, 1604 & 1697 but there were an awful lot more mostly parked closely together.
Thanks for the confirmation, that's filled in a few blanks!
Latest death to report is 566, now at Miller Street
Quote from: Tony on September 24, 2014, 11:14:10 AM
Latest death to report is 566, now at Miller Street
What's that leave - 25 in service, nominally?
Quote from: The Real 4778 on September 24, 2014, 11:37:08 AM
Quote from: Tony on September 24, 2014, 11:14:10 AM
Latest death to report is 566, now at Miller Street
What's that leave - 25 in service, nominally?
I make it 26
14 WN (508/55/86/98; 600/1/20/6/32/3/4/8/40/62)
5 WA (244; 582; 669/73/7)
7 WB (519/24/33/34/68/91; 680)
564 is now at Pensnett reserve fleet. I think that is a new addition.
26 it is Tony, I always forget that elusive 244!
Quote from: The Real 4778 on September 24, 2014, 03:29:12 PM
26 it is Tony, I always forget that elusive 244!
Most days 244 does the same running board, starts off on the 700 school service, then does all journeys on the 336, then switches to the 335 at 15:50 until the end of service
4003 meets its maker:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/15403071656/
Man they didn't waste time chopping up 4003, was this involved in a Rtc
Not the Spectras!!!
Quote from: 2900 on October 03, 2014, 06:07:29 PM
Man they didn't waste time chopping up 4003, was this involved in a Rtc
It hit 1676 in Wolverhampton, both were withdrawn
another 20 spectras to go....... :D
Quote from: Winston on October 03, 2014, 08:29:10 AM
4003 meets its maker:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/15403071656/
Looks like a loaf of bread where all somebodys left is a mouldy crust lol
YW 4341 is now stabled at miller street with withdrawn Mercedes O45Ns at the back
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on October 05, 2014, 01:24:57 PM
YW 4341 is now stabled at miller street with withdrawn Mercedes O45Ns at the back
Not for long, off to join 4003 as soon as all useful bits are off
also
3603 , 3610, 3608 , 3612 , 3602 , 36xx and 534 all at miller street aswell
They could've just got a withdrawn ALX400s top deck from a different company and replace it.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 05, 2014, 05:22:16 PM
They could've just got a withdrawn ALX400s top deck from a different company and replace it.
Do you not think it is was viable to repair they would have done?
It needs a little more than a new top deck:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dofartshavelumps/15225394868/
Quote from: Winston on October 05, 2014, 05:32:57 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 05, 2014, 05:22:16 PM
They could've just got a withdrawn ALX400s top deck from a different company and replace it.
Do you not think it is was viable to repair they would have done?
It needs a little more than a new top deck:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dofartshavelumps/15225394868/
Possibly a few more things to replace. What were they doing in that photo?
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 05, 2014, 05:40:55 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 05, 2014, 05:32:57 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 05, 2014, 05:22:16 PM
They could've just got a withdrawn ALX400s top deck from a different company and replace it.
Do you not think it is was viable to repair they would have done?
It needs a little more than a new top deck:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dofartshavelumps/15225394868/
Possibly a few more things to replace. What were they doing in that photo?
The heat from the fire will have melted all the downstairs electrics/interior distorted the remaining body frame etc. To repair that if the chassis wasn't damaged, it would need to be re-bodied.
Removing useful parts (inc the engine) at Miller St before going for scrap
Quote from: Winston on October 05, 2014, 05:46:09 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 05, 2014, 05:40:55 PM
Quote from: Winston on October 05, 2014, 05:32:57 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 05, 2014, 05:22:16 PM
They could've just got a withdrawn ALX400s top deck from a different company and replace it.
Do you not think it is was viable to repair they would have done?
It needs a little more than a new top deck:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dofartshavelumps/15225394868/
Possibly a few more things to replace. What were they doing in that photo?
The heat from the fire will have melted all the downstairs electrics/interior distorted the remaining body frame etc. To repair that if the chassis wasn't damaged, it would need to be re-bodied.
Removing useful parts (inc the engine) at Miller St before going for scrap
Fair enough! So sad to see another BX02 AU go! Imagine if they sent it to Carlyle to get repaired. I bet Carlyle can't even fix that and re-wire and re-roof the bus.
Not sure if I'm sad to see another ALX go ;) Prefer the Geminis and Presidents to the Tridents - at least Geminis have suspension, and Presidents have excellent heating in the winter!
Quote from: Liberator9 on October 05, 2014, 08:48:45 PM
Not sure if I'm sad to see another ALX go ;) Prefer the Geminis and Presidents to the Tridents - at least Geminis have suspension, and Presidents have excellent heating in the winter!
What about the B7TL ALXs?
They're ok - suspension is fine, but still has the ALX400 body (not as good as the Geminis IMO) and some are very slow pulling off.
Quote from: Liberator9 on October 05, 2014, 08:48:45 PM
Not sure if I'm sad to see another ALX go ;) Prefer the Geminis and Presidents to the Tridents - at least Geminis have suspension, and Presidents have excellent heating in the winter!
And in the summer lol
In the summer they'll just overheat 8) Although one I went on (4099 I think) was very cool in the lower saloon on a hot day this summer - cool air was blowing in through the roof vents.
The only thing I don't like with the Plaxtons and ALXs is that it's rare to see and ALX400 or a President with a crazy cooling fan. I can name more geminis than ALX400s that have had crazy cooling fans, like 4507, 4660, 4423 and 4671. The only ALXs and Presidents I know that have cooling fans are 4086 and 4258. Plaxtons just break down and catch fire, the ALXs are just too slow when accelerating.
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 05, 2014, 09:45:40 PM
The only thing I don't like with the Plaxtons and ALXs is that it's rare to see and ALX400 or a President with a crazy cooling fan. I can name more geminis than ALX400s that have had crazy cooling fans, like 4507, 4660, 4423 and 4671. The only ALXs and Presidents I know that have cooling fans are 4086 and 4258. Plaxtons just break down and catch fire, the ALXs are just too slow when accelerating.
4423 is an ALX400 bodied B7TL at Coventry. I suspect all ALX400s and Presidents have cooling fans...
Would it even be legal for a B7 to be on the road without one?
Quote from: Cheese on October 05, 2014, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 05, 2014, 09:45:40 PM
The only thing I don't like with the Plaxtons and ALXs is that it's rare to see and ALX400 or a President with a crazy cooling fan. I can name more geminis than ALX400s that have had crazy cooling fans, like 4507, 4660, 4423 and 4671. The only ALXs and Presidents I know that have cooling fans are 4086 and 4258. Plaxtons just break down and catch fire, the ALXs are just too slow when accelerating.
4423 is an ALX400 bodied B7TL at Coventry. I suspect all ALX400s and Presidents have cooling fans...
4423 does not have a loud cooling fan and as far as I'm aware never has, although 4424 used to but recently had it fixed same with a lot of the b7tls at Coventry. I think it's fairly easy to fix but it means the bus needs to be having down time so I think they wait until the bus is due some down time until they fix the loud cooling fan issue.
Quote from: Cheese on October 05, 2014, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: ronnoc1k8 on October 05, 2014, 09:45:40 PM
The only thing I don't like with the Plaxtons and ALXs is that it's rare to see and ALX400 or a President with a crazy cooling fan. I can name more geminis than ALX400s that have had crazy cooling fans, like 4507, 4660, 4423 and 4671. The only ALXs and Presidents I know that have cooling fans are 4086 and 4258. Plaxtons just break down and catch fire, the ALXs are just too slow when accelerating.
4423 is an ALX400 bodied B7TL at Coventry. I suspect all ALX400s and Presidents have cooling fans...
I know they all have cooling fans but I mean they are not crazy at all. I can understand the Volvo B7TL ALX400 since it has an intercooler.
568 arrived at Miller Street this morning, just two B6s left at WB - 519 & 533
Quote from: Tony on October 06, 2014, 12:12:23 PM
568 arrived at Miller Street this morning, just two B6s left at WB - 519 & 533
I take it that WB 524 has been withdrawn too (I might have missed that one!).
Quote from: paulb1973 on October 06, 2014, 02:01:57 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 06, 2014, 12:12:23 PM
568 arrived at Miller Street this morning, just two B6s left at WB - 519 & 533
I take it that WB 524 has been withdrawn too (I might have missed that one!).
Yes, also at Miller Street if I haven't posted it before
Quote from: Tony on October 06, 2014, 02:11:08 PM
Quote from: paulb1973 on October 06, 2014, 02:01:57 PM
Quote from: Tony on October 06, 2014, 12:12:23 PM
568 arrived at Miller Street this morning, just two B6s left at WB - 519 & 533
I take it that WB 524 has been withdrawn too (I might have missed that one!).
Yes, also at Miller Street if I haven't posted it before
Yep, updated my own notes - almost the end of B6 operations at WB.
4341 at PVS in its final resting place:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/with/15493641142/
The end for WN Mercs:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/15338979167/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/15338930548/in/photostream/
Quote from: 4006 on October 13, 2014, 12:45:46 PM
The end for WN Mercs:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/15338979167/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/retroscania/15338930548/in/photostream/
All 3 carrying adverts for my University! I'll have a word with the marketing staff when I'm next in the office! Just collected my resources for the next weeks advertising and school visits
673 & 1479 have now been withdrawn
Quote from: Tony on October 23, 2014, 01:08:47 PM
673 & 1479 have now been withdrawn
Nearly to the end for the Walsall B6s. Will miss them.
Quote from: Tony on April 11, 2014, 06:11:00 PM
292, 517, 530, 541, 1581, 1595 and 4075 have all left Miller Street to PVS in the last few days.
9697 the old 8 seat Ford Transit has also gone for scrap.
The Five last remaining Excels are not in the current batch of disposals but will be leaving soon. Anyone want to preserve one? or is this one of the types of buses from the WMT/NXWM fleet that are going to disappear forever.
Compared to some of the buses that have been sold for preservation they will not be that expensive if previous prices for Excels are anything to go by, so if there is anyone out there who wants to end up with a unique preserved bus instead of one of the crowd they need to make themselves known to NXWM in the near future!
Sorry to quote something from a while ago but who would be the best point of contact regarding the purchase of an Optare Excel for preservation
Quote from: Ashley on October 26, 2014, 08:10:03 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 11, 2014, 06:11:00 PM
292, 517, 530, 541, 1581, 1595 and 4075 have all left Miller Street to PVS in the last few days.
9697 the old 8 seat Ford Transit has also gone for scrap.
The Five last remaining Excels are not in the current batch of disposals but will be leaving soon. Anyone want to preserve one? or is this one of the types of buses from the WMT/NXWM fleet that are going to disappear forever.
Compared to some of the buses that have been sold for preservation they will not be that expensive if previous prices for Excels are anything to go by, so if there is anyone out there who wants to end up with a unique preserved bus instead of one of the crowd they need to make themselves known to NXWM in the near future!
Sorry to quote something from a while ago but who would be the best point of contact regarding the purchase of an Optare Excel for preservation
I am replying by PM to save the gentleman getting a flood of silly emails
1406 & 1408 now parked up at Miller Street
1432 now parked up at Walsall
Just 1407 left at Yardley Wood which did an 18 this morning but is now back in garage so YW services are currently B10L free
A very sad day :(
Quote from: Tony on November 06, 2014, 01:11:08 PM
1406 & 1408 now parked up at Miller Street
1432 now parked up at Walsall
Just 1407 left at Yardley Wood which did an 18 this morning but is now back in garage so YW services are currently B10L free
Managed to see it in Cotteridge about 10:15, wonder if that is the end of it now.
Quote from: Tony on November 06, 2014, 01:11:08 PM
1406 & 1408 now parked up at Miller Street
1432 now parked up at Walsall
Just 1407 left at Yardley Wood which did an 18 this morning but is now back in garage so YW services are currently B10L free
Is 1432 for service ag Walsall or just parked on death row?
Quote from: Ashley on November 06, 2014, 04:58:34 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 06, 2014, 01:11:08 PM
1406 & 1408 now parked up at Miller Street
1432 now parked up at Walsall
Just 1407 left at Yardley Wood which did an 18 this morning but is now back in garage so YW services are currently B10L free
Is 1432 for service ag Walsall or just parked on death row?
Probably neither
1681 is parked at the bottom of the Pensnett reserve fleet yard next to 1633, then 1701
Quote from: Tony on November 06, 2014, 01:11:08 PM
1406 & 1408 now parked up at Miller Street
1432 now parked up at Walsall
Just 1407 left at Yardley Wood which did an 18 this morning but is now back in garage so YW services are currently B10L free
This is a sad post to read. :( Glad I had rides on the YW B10Ls before they get withdrawn. At least 1447 gets to live a bit longer at Walsall. The 27 won't be the same again without the B10Ls.
555, 600, 626, 1543 & 1616 all died this week
Quote from: Tony on November 08, 2014, 11:23:03 AM
555, 600, 626, 1543 & 1616 all died this week
Shame about 555. I was very fond of 555.
Quote from: Tony on November 08, 2014, 11:23:03 AM
555, 600, 626, 1543 & 1616 all died this week
I have a lot of memories from 1616, shame
I'm sure I've heard that 600 was a candidate for preservation? Any ideas?
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on November 08, 2014, 04:33:33 PM
I'm sure I've heard that 600 was a candidate for preservation? Any ideas?
The words of the lets save everything armchair veg army. People do want the trim out of 600 though
theres a plaxton president parked at back of miller street infront of a few training buses
1639 parked at miller street has pensnett written on front window
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on November 09, 2014, 12:50:30 PM
theres a plaxton president parked at back of miller street infront of a few training buses
1639 parked at miller street has pensnett written on front window
I posted last week 4079 had been taken out of use and was at Miller Street. It is also mentioned in the fleet changes on the main site
Will 4079 return to service or is this the first withdrawal (not withstanding the fire victims)
I guess there might be a good second hand market for these buses
Quote from: Wolves256 on November 09, 2014, 08:14:41 PM
Will 4079 return to service or is this the first withdrawal (not withstanding the fire victims)
I guess there might be a good second hand market for these buses
I'd be amazed if it was. From the AG examples I saw at V Fest, they appeared and ran better than some of their Trident counterparts. Saying that, I expect they're an oddity now they've standardised with Alexander and Wrights.
Makes sense to make some money from them and further reduce types.
Quote from: Wumpty on November 09, 2014, 08:33:15 PM
Quote from: Wolves256 on November 09, 2014, 08:14:41 PM
Will 4079 return to service or is this the first withdrawal (not withstanding the fire victims)
I guess there might be a good second hand market for these buses
I'd be amazed if it was. From the AG examples I saw at V Fest, they appeared and ran better than some of their Trident counterparts. Saying that, I expect they're an oddity now they've standardised with Alexander and Wrights.
Makes sense to make some money from them and further reduce types.
It has gone into the reserve fleet. It will not be stripped for spares or sold
Quote from: Tony on November 09, 2014, 09:06:41 PM
Quote from: Wumpty on November 09, 2014, 08:33:15 PM
Quote from: Wolves256 on November 09, 2014, 08:14:41 PM
Will 4079 return to service or is this the first withdrawal (not withstanding the fire victims)
I guess there might be a good second hand market for these buses
I'd be amazed if it was. From the AG examples I saw at V Fest, they appeared and ran better than some of their Trident counterparts. Saying that, I expect they're an oddity now they've standardised with Alexander and Wrights.
Makes sense to make some money from them and further reduce types.
It has gone into the reserve fleet. It will not be stripped for spares or sold
I've generally regarded 'withdrawn' and 'reserve fleet' at NXWM as one of the same thing - but it looks like 4079 is surplus to requirements currently but could, potentially come back.
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 10, 2014, 03:04:32 PM
Quote from: Tony on November 09, 2014, 09:06:41 PM
Quote from: Wumpty on November 09, 2014, 08:33:15 PM
Quote from: Wolves256 on November 09, 2014, 08:14:41 PM
Will 4079 return to service or is this the first withdrawal (not withstanding the fire victims)
I guess there might be a good second hand market for these buses
I'd be amazed if it was. From the AG examples I saw at V Fest, they appeared and ran better than some of their Trident counterparts. Saying that, I expect they're an oddity now they've standardised with Alexander and Wrights.
Makes sense to make some money from them and further reduce types.
It has gone into the reserve fleet. It will not be stripped for spares or sold
I've generally regarded 'withdrawn' and 'reserve fleet' at NXWM as one of the same thing - but it looks like 4079 is surplus to requirements currently but could, potentially come back.
There is a slight difference with the latest batch as there is more of a possibility of them returning to use is some form or another than most vehicles taken out of service in the last few years. Those currently held for possible further use include the B10Ls from YW, 244 and 4079
1661 & 1671 have now been taken out of service at WN, but are also being kept in one piece in case they may be needed again
From Walsall 1445 went into reserve fleet November 2009
Never saw service again
1461,1471,1404 did as well got re-instated to Wolverhampton
A year later.
It's 50 50 weather they see service again
thought 244 was at wn
Quote from: mranon on November 10, 2014, 07:29:54 PM
thought 244 was at wn
It is at WN, but not currently in use.
I just find it a bit peculiar that 4079 has been put into 'reserve', when there are only three garages (Acocks Green, Yardley Wood and West Bromwich) that operate the type. AG and YW can surely loan each other a bus of the same type if needed, and surely WB could borrow a Gemini from WA or PB if the need arises for a spare double-decker. Or is there more to this than meets the eye?
Why is 244 not in use ? Always a good bus @ WA.
Pensnett reserve fleet has had a load of new inmates:
B10L 1426
Mercs 1553, 1586, 1612, 1619, 1636, 1639 & 1666
They are all parked down the very bottom of the reserve fleet yard, 1420 is also parked with rear up against the bottom fence
Most of these are in TWM or TC livery. If these are in reserve could we see the old liveries make a comeback in 2015?
Quote from: Stevo on December 08, 2014, 04:54:19 PM
Most of these are in TWM or TC livery. If these are in reserve could we see the old liveries make a comeback in 2015?
I'd really doubt it given the number of new vehicles due, plus the fact that it would no doubt be easier to maintain existing mercs in service than potentially ressurect a merc that has been sat around unused for a fair while.
Quote from: Stevo on December 08, 2014, 04:54:19 PM
Most of these are in TWM or TC livery. If these are in reserve could we see the old liveries make a comeback in 2015?
They are in the 'reserve fleet' but in withdrawn condition with various bits of bodywork missing including possibly engines, they will just sit there until they are ready to be scrapped.
Sorry if I have missed something obvious but will 4177 last longer then the rest of the Y tridents? It has a Euro 5 engine and it was refurbished.
Last Thurs... Coventry yard
1550, 1558, 1566, 1608, 1625 and 1680
Quote from: Tigereelam on December 08, 2014, 08:38:46 PM
Last Thurs... Coventry yard
1550, 1558, 1566, 1608, 1625 and 1680
1550 was in Miller Street by Saturday the 6th parked beside the rear gate.
1669 is in Miller St and has been for a couple of weeks. Winston said it was withdrawn in answer to my question on 14th November. It hasn't appeared in official withdrawals. Is it there for work to be done on it?
1669 was withdrawn in september
Are there any plans for any of the mercs to be acquired for restoration? Would be a shame to see these great buses marching off into the history books!
Quote from: desmond_tay on December 12, 2014, 11:42:05 PM
Are there any plans for any of the mercs to be acquired for restoration? Would be a shame to see these great buses marching off into the history books!
I don't know of anyone interested in buying one. I am sure NX would sell one for preservation next year if they wanted one
1652 would have been ideal having never been repainted in its entire time it was in service, oh well no matter its probably re-incarnated as an ADL BUS, i think corrosion issues and self combusting nature of these buses may put potential preservationists off for many.
I wonder how long the mercs have left and would someone be mad enough to see if NXWM will let them hire the last one/two for their last day in service...
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 13, 2014, 03:01:50 PM
I wonder how long the mercs have left and would someone be mad enough to see if NXWM will let them hire the last one/two for their last day in service...
I have friends who are interested in saving 1515 when withdrawn but we will wait and see what happens.
Quote from: filbus1 on December 13, 2014, 03:27:34 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 13, 2014, 03:01:50 PM
I wonder how long the mercs have left and would someone be mad enough to see if NXWM will let them hire the last one/two for their last day in service...
I have friends who are interested in saving 1515 when withdrawn but we will wait and see what happens.
If they are serious, when it gets withdrawn I give give you a contact to obtain a price from
Quote from: Tony on December 13, 2014, 03:30:34 PM
Quote from: filbus1 on December 13, 2014, 03:27:34 PM
Quote from: the trainbasher on December 13, 2014, 03:01:50 PM
I wonder how long the mercs have left and would someone be mad enough to see if NXWM will let them hire the last one/two for their last day in service...
I have friends who are interested in saving 1515 when withdrawn but we will wait and see what happens.
If they are serious, when it gets withdrawn I give give you a contact to obtain a price from
Thanks, will enquire what they intend to do.
I hear a few groups/persons are interested but wether they actually go through with it is a different matter. I really hope one does get preserved, years to come one certainly would arouse interest and be a good reminder of the past. Although 'modern heaps of junk' they still served the public for many years and in the future will still preserve memories of people who used them and worked with them. Personally I would love to be able to ride one of these again in 20 years time....if I'm still alive :P
Quote from: Winston on December 08, 2014, 03:20:05 PM
Pensnett reserve fleet has had a load of new inmates:
B10L 1426
Mercs 1553, 1586, 1612, 1619, 1636, 1639 & 1666
They are all parked down the very bottom of the reserve fleet yard, 1420 is also parked with rear up against the bottom fence
New additions in to Pensnett's reserve fleet yard are Mercs 1696 & 1700
1407 and 1408 were both seen traveling down Washwood Heath road this afternoon on trade plates.
Not sure where they were heading or where they had come from, but they weren't to be seen at Miller Street later on in the afternoon.
Quote from: Gareth on January 19, 2015, 09:47:23 PM
1407 and 1408 were both seen traveling down Washwood Heath road this afternoon on trade plates.
Not sure where they were heading or where they had come from, but they weren't to be seen at Miller Street later on in the afternoon.
They were on there way from Lea Hall, Don't know where they were going to.
Quote from: Tony on January 19, 2015, 10:17:45 PM
Quote from: Gareth on January 19, 2015, 09:47:23 PM
1407 and 1408 were both seen traveling down Washwood Heath road this afternoon on trade plates.
Not sure where they were heading or where they had come from, but they weren't to be seen at Miller Street later on in the afternoon.
They were on there way from Lea Hall, Don't know where they were going to.
WA for conversion to trainers? With them being the most recently withdrawn
Quote from: Gareth on January 19, 2015, 09:47:23 PM
1407 and 1408 were both seen traveling down Washwood Heath road this afternoon on trade plates.
Not sure where they were heading or where they had come from, but they weren't to be seen at Miller Street later on in the afternoon.
All 3 reserve fleet B10Ls (1406/7/8) were moved from Lea hall to Miller Street, and were there yesterday afternoon. Must have just been hiding when you looked for them. The last one of the 3 arrived at 12:45
I saw them just before 12.30, so that time matches up. I had a little walk down there about an hour later, but it was quite crowded with vehicles, there's a lot down there at the moment. Thanks Tony.
Pensnetts top yard filling up with b10s and mercs
Quote from: karl724223 on January 20, 2015, 08:56:00 PM
Pensnetts top yard filling up with b10s and mercs
572, 1413 & 1632 are new additions to Pensnett reserve fleet. There were more, but they are all I could see in the dark....
Quote from: Winston on January 23, 2015, 05:47:26 PM
Quote from: karl724223 on January 20, 2015, 08:56:00 PM
Pensnetts top yard filling up with b10s and mercs
572, 1413 & 1632 are new additions to Pensnett reserve fleet. There were more, but they are all I could see in the dark....
It is generally which ever buses at Lea Hall the engineers can actually get going that are being moved, don't read anything into which fleetnumbers are arriving
Who owns lea hall garage currently?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on January 23, 2015, 06:44:39 PM
Who owns lea hall garage currently?
http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/westmidlands/news/573683-fabric-recycling-firm-buys-birmingham-bus-garage.html?news_section=19011#
are nx having to shift all the buses stored at lea hall now then?
Quote from: mranon on January 23, 2015, 08:44:56 PM
are nx having to shift all the buses stored at lea hall now then?
No, just different ones going inside the covered accommodation there that NX still use
while at endeavours depot today
I photographed ex NXWM 1468 R468XDA
https://www.flickr.com/photos/115199517@N06/15741707774/
Former WB dart 3601 just went past me at Tower Hill heading north, god knows why or where it was going but had National Express on the destination display
Quote from: Kevin on January 27, 2015, 06:38:49 AM
Former WB dart 3601 just went past me at Tower Hill heading north, god knows why or where it was going but had National Express on the destination display
It's part of the training fleet and replaced Merc Vario 241 & goes around filming various routes for driver training purposes
Quote from: Winston on January 27, 2015, 08:45:54 AM
Quote from: Kevin on January 27, 2015, 06:38:49 AM
Former WB dart 3601 just went past me at Tower Hill heading north, god knows why or where it was going but had National Express on the destination display
It's part of the training fleet and replaced Merc Vario 241 & goes around filming various routes for driver training purposes
Ah touchée, forgot about that.
1520 is now officially withdrawn
Bye Bye
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/3225-3614/3605.html
Quote from: Tony on March 25, 2015, 07:18:09 PM
Bye Bye
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/3225-3614/3605.html
Farewell, 1478.
1681
1662
1702
With PVS markings
Looks like these 3 are ready to go
Quote from: nxwmbusfan1999 on April 01, 2015, 10:27:56 AM
1681
1662
1702
With PVS markings
Looks like these 3 are ready to go
I noticed that 7123 had also been moved at Miller Street and had markings for PVS.
1661 , 1681 , 1702 still at Miller street
619 with PVS markings too
did ask engineers nothing is going out today
1568 at Coventry should now be withdrawn
WA 1454 and 1459 will probably be last used tomorrow
Miller Street 10/04/15
PVS Truck carrying
B6 R606YON 606
B10 P125KSL 7125
At Miller street now 1055
Departed 1115 to Barnsley
The next two 'planned' withdrawals will be WN 677 & WA 1439 both last day 20/4 if anyone wants to go chasing them for a last ride
Seen pictures on Flickr of various NXWM vehicles having made their final trip to Barnsley including 524, 619, 1457, 1702, 7123.
524 https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/17178355021/
619 https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/17158210901/
1457 https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/17158969035/
1702 https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/17174591141/
7123 https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/17109179756/
It's sad to see 7123 there - it was repainted in 2010 yet never ran in service again.
A lot of barking mad decisions were made around that time regarding refurbing certain vehicle types volvo B10B,s insane, some B10L,s never made it back into service or had limited time in service.
Looks like Miller Street has had a major clear out, it's the emptiest I've seen the top yard in a long time.
Hi Tony, off out early next week for a chase down of anything old! Do you have an "at risk/soon to be withdrawn list" please?
Quote from: 1707 on April 24, 2015, 10:28:35 AM
Hi Tony, off out early next week for a chase down of anything old! Do you have an "at risk/soon to be withdrawn list" please?
I reckon three, probably four types are now so threatened and few in number it's pretty obvious they fall into the above category!
Quote from: Stevo on April 23, 2015, 09:21:18 AM
It's sad to see 7123 there - it was repainted in 2010 yet never ran in service again.
When 7123 was in dundee it was one of the better B10Ls .but it was transfered with the scanias arrival ,and as you said done up and no place to go .Surely some of these decent buses could be sold on .
Quote from: JIM C on April 24, 2015, 06:02:45 PM
When 7123 was in dundee it was one of the better B10Ls .but it was transfered with the scanias arrival ,and as you said done up and no place to go .Surely some of these decent buses could be sold on .
President maybe in the future, but Mercs 0405N & B10L's aren't common in the UK & not many operators like B6LE.
Will the b10s and b6s last another month?
I expect they will last another month - I expect the Enviro 200 MMCs arriving at AG will kill them off, as it's highly likely AG's Scanias would go to WA. I'd still expect B7RLEs to go really if all of AG's Scanias go to WA.
Quote from: Liberator9 on April 26, 2015, 11:35:50 AM
I expect they will last another month - I expect the Enviro 200 MMCs arriving at AG will kill them off, as it's highly likely AG's Scanias would go to WA. I'd still expect B7RLEs to go really if all of AG's Scanias go to WA.
It also depends on when their MOT's finish as recent withdrawals such as 677 and 4008 were due to their MOT's expiring, hence why dates for last days have been able to be given.
Quote from: Nathan on April 26, 2015, 05:26:37 PM
It also depends on when their MOT's finish as recent withdrawals such as 677 and 4008 were due to their MOT's expiring, hence why dates for last days have been able to be given.
4005 was poorly yesterday, and is on the hitlist so may not reappear
4011 may also have finished
Quote from: Tony on April 26, 2015, 05:36:57 PM
4005 was poorly yesterday, and is on the hitlist so may not reappear
4011 may also have finished
Tony, I thought you said 4011 had already finished alongside 4019 last month?
See here (Reply #2015)
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=10.msg137473#msg137473
Quote from: Nathan on April 26, 2015, 05:46:44 PM
Tony, I thought you had said 4011 had finished with 4019
See here (Reply #2015)
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=10.msg137473#msg137473
Ah yes, someone has sent a photo of it with red wheels which is a sign of withdrawn vehicles, forgot it was already off
When are most the b10s mots up?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on April 26, 2015, 06:07:17 PM
When are most the b10s mots up?
A year after they were last done. They are spread over the whole year
Re. other withdrawals. Is it safe to assume 677 and 1439 were withdrawn on 20 April? I also have CV 1634 [1610/35 as well possibly] & PE 1631 that may have been withdrawn.
Quote from: paulb1973 on April 28, 2015, 02:22:44 PM
Re. other withdrawals. Is it safe to assume 677 and 1439 were withdrawn on 20 April? I also have CV 1634 [1610/35 as well possibly] & PE 1631 that may have been withdrawn.
Yes 677 and 1439 were withdrawn on 20th April.
Quite a few dead MERCS lying around west brom at the moment, I counted four the other day 1582, 1671, 1632 I think I forget the other , one on the back car park three inside the main garage
Quote from: 2900 on April 29, 2015, 01:01:23 PM
Quite a few dead MERCS lying around west brom at the moment, I counted four the other day 1582, 1671, 1632 I think I forget the other , one on the back car park three inside the main garage
@2900 Was the other 1661?
Quote from: 2900 on April 29, 2015, 01:01:23 PM
Quite a few dead MERCS lying around west brom at the moment, I counted four the other day 1582, 1671, 1632 I think I forget the other , one on the back car park three inside the main garage
None of the ones inside the garage are withdrawn
Vehicles that should come off the road in May are
582 - last day 8/5
4005 - 13/5
632 - 24/5
1453 - 24/5
4004 - 27/5
That is not to say others won't be withdrawn
I make it 11 b10s left when 1453 is withdrawn. Is this correct?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on May 05, 2015, 04:40:36 PM
I make it 11 b10s left when 1453 is withdrawn. Is this correct?
No, it will be 8 left after 1453 goes
582 on the 11 today.
Quote from: Tony on May 05, 2015, 02:25:48 PM
Vehicles that should come off the road in May are
582 - last day 8/5
4005 - 13/5
632 - 24/5
1453 - 24/5
4004 - 27/5
That is not to say others won't be withdrawn
Thanks as always Tony. It gives us a chance to have a last run out with them
1479 and one other B10L being towed north on A38 this morning.
There are still B10L's and B10BLE's at Dundee but they should be seen off once the cascaded B7RLE's start to arrive
Has 582 definitely been withdrawn now ?
Are there any Mercs or Presidents up for withdrawal in the coming weeks?
I'm grateful for the B6, B10 and Spectra gen
Didn't someone mention that single number reg plates were rare/valuable, which lead to the 'preservation' of "S1 TWM" onto WN's 2001? If so, why not take the reg off 3610? (C8 NEX) for a Scania, or E200?
when will they all have been withdrawn by? I would say early August? That's for all of them to be withdrawn
Quote from: clayderman on May 31, 2015, 03:17:05 PM
Didn't someone mention that single number reg plates were rare/valuable, which lead to the 'preservation' of "S1 TWM" onto WN's 2001? If so, why not take the reg off 3610? (C8 NEX) for a Scania, or E200?
'C8 NEX' is currently on 1687, the NX Health Bus
Last time I saw 3610 at miller street it was still showing C8NEX. I assume that as the bus is untaxed and not MOT'd and unlikely to run again, it doesn't have to actually show it's new reg number and is an 'on paper' only re-reg.
Quote from: John on May 31, 2015, 03:23:25 PM
'C8 NEX' is currently on 1687, the NX Health Bus
Ah, so I see. I think that rings a bell, no pun intended. I was only asking because I had seen a photo on Flickr today, and was unsure of how recent the photo was taken... (It was the app, not the site.)
1440 has died a natural death
1431 has killed itself early over the weekend
1635 at Coventry has also died at the weekend
Expect up to 7 deaths at Wolverhampton as well
Quote from: Tony on June 01, 2015, 06:27:27 PM
1440 has died a natural death
1431 has killed itself early over the weekend
1635 at Coventry has also died at the weekend
Expect up to 7 deaths at Wolverhampton as well
What are the 7 deaths at wolverhampton
Quote from: Rhys S on June 01, 2015, 08:55:32 PM
What are the 7 deaths at wolverhampton
Tony can't post them until they actually happen or he is given permission to do so!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 01, 2015, 09:30:15 PM
Tony can't post them until they actually happen or he is given permission to do so!
Although tbf Stu, Tony has already mentioned which ones are expected to die over the next few weeks. As you said, Tony cannot post anymore than he has. If he could post fleet numbers, he would have! WN have more buses than usual (There have been more buses in than there has withdrawn). Tony did mention not so long back that several B6's (586,598 and a few others) plus 4001 and 4015 were due to be the next in line for the chop.
Quote from: Nathan on June 01, 2015, 09:56:07 PM
Although tbf Stu, Tony has already mentioned which ones are expected to die over the next few weeks. Its a shame to say 4001 may be withdrawn either tomorrow or very soon.
True Nathan but i don't think WN have decided what buses are going yet!
Hopefully, as has been suggested, Wythall get 4001 still in working order!
632 broke down in Wolves bus station this afternoon and later left empty, presumably to PL. RIP?
Quote from: Stevo on June 02, 2015, 06:46:23 PM
632 broke down in Wolves bus station this afternoon and later left empty, presumably to PL. RIP?
No. It was MOT'd the other week!
634 won't be seen again
Quote from: Rhys S on June 11, 2015, 08:13:31 AM
634 won't be seen again
Yes it was withdrawn in place of 632 which surprisingly had its MOT renewed.
The info is nothing new. I already made a list of the B6's and Spectra's left in the W'ton Garage thread.
632 was back in service on Tuesday this week.
Do we have any more planned withdrawals in the next few weeks? This would be very helpful information
Quote from: Trident 4194 on June 16, 2015, 07:39:58 PM
Do we have any more planned withdrawals in the next few weeks? This would be very helpful information
7 B6s
10 Spectras
5 more B10Ls
and a lot of Mercedes all in the next few months
Quote from: Tony on June 16, 2015, 07:48:22 PM
7 B6s
10 Spectras
5 more B10Ls
and a lot of Mercedes all in the next few months
So there are no more planned to be withdrawn within the next month except 1407 which is dying on Friday?
Has 1407 retired because I saw the post earlier and it's gone now.
Quote from: P419 EJW on June 18, 2015, 10:14:19 AM
Has 1407 retired because I saw the post earlier and it's gone now.
Marked as reserve fleet now, but along with the other 5 is still out on the 40/41 at the moment
The next 3 most likely withdrawals are
PE 1629 (next week)
WB 1613; 1698 (week after)
(PE 1630 has had a reprieve)
Quote from: Tony on June 18, 2015, 12:43:43 PM
The next 3 most likely withdrawals are
PE 1629 (next week)
WB 1613; 1698 (week after)
(PE 1630 has had a reprieve)
@Tony I know you have probably already said this somewhere on here but how many Merc's are left in the fleet between NXWM & NXC please
Quote from: Squiz1971 on June 18, 2015, 04:38:13 PM
@Tony I know you have probably already said this somewhere on here but how many Merc's are left in the fleet between NXWM & NXC please
Pensnett - 15 (minus 1518 but including 1629/1630)
West Bromwich - 11 (inc 1613/1698)
Coventry - 9
Total - 35
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on June 18, 2015, 05:29:43 PM
Pensnett - 15 (minus 1518 but including 1629/1630)
West Bromwich - 11 (inc 1613/1698)
Coventry - 9
Total - 35
Cheers @Ashley I knew it wasn't many but a few more than I was thinking
Quote from: Squiz1971 on June 18, 2015, 05:31:59 PM
Cheers @Ashley I knew it wasn't many but a few more than I was thinking
I did that from memory but I think I got it right.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on June 18, 2015, 05:33:37 PM
I did that from memory but I think I got it right.
Someone will probably confirm otherwise at some point Ashley but thanks for your help
Which is the best Mercedes in the fleet currently
Prpbably one of the Citaro artics at Coventry!
4001 now at Wythall
Quote from: Tony on June 19, 2015, 02:10:56 PM
4001 now at Wythall
Has 4001 formally left the NXWM fleet? - I am presuming it has.
Quote from: Tony on June 18, 2015, 12:43:43 PM
The next 3 most likely withdrawals are
PE 1629 (next week)
WB 1613; 1698 (week after)
(PE 1630 has had a reprieve)
WB 1613 has now had a reprieve, and even a fresh MoT, 1618 to likely to die instead
Quote from: Tony on June 19, 2015, 08:03:58 PM
WB 1613 has now had a reprieve, and even a fresh MoT, 1618 to likely to die instead
Excellent news! 1613 is my tame Merc.
She could be one of the last survivors now!
4009 will most likely not see service again.
I'm told 4015 will be finished on Friday.
So it is down to 9 on the road (now 4009 won't reappear) then 8 after Friday.
Quote from: Nathan on June 25, 2015, 07:53:55 PM
4009 will most likely not see service again.
I'm told 4015 will be finished on Friday.
So it is down to 9 on the road (now 4009 won't reappear) then 8 after Friday.
4016 apparently is another with an about to expire MOT but may not be reliable gen.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on June 25, 2015, 07:56:19 PM
4016 apparently is another with an about to expire MOT but may not be reliable gen.
No, not just yet.
1629 at Pensnett has died
1698 will this week.
There are no other MoT expiries in July, so withdrawals will be decided by other factors which are obviously less predictable
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2015, 12:22:22 PM
No, not just yet.
1629 at Pensnett has died
1698 will this week.
There are no other MoT expiries in July, so withdrawals will be decided by other factors which are obviously less predictable
Saw 4016 on the 11 today so just dud gen.
Quote from: Tony on June 29, 2015, 12:22:22 PM
No, not just yet.
1629 at Pensnett has died
1698 will this week.
There are no other MoT expiries in July, so withdrawals will be decided by other factors which are obviously less predictable
Presume 1629s MOT has expired as i saw it last week and it seemed to be ok.
I wonder what the last Merc in service will be and from what garage, my feeling is 1743 from PE, but just a guess.
It would be a bit strange if 1743 was the last Merc 0405N - wasn't it the first?
Quote from: Stevo on June 29, 2015, 09:35:08 PM
It would be a bit strange if 1743 was the last Merc 0405N - wasn't it the first?
No, it was new as a demo in 1999 that was aquired in 2001
Quote from: Nathan on June 29, 2015, 09:38:50 PM
No, it was a demo that was aquired to replace one of the Mercs lost in the West Brom Garage fire in 2001
It was with the company before that. March 1999 at Coventry
Quote from: John on June 29, 2015, 09:40:35 PM
It was with the company before that. March 1999 at Coventry
New 2/99 as an evobus demo, At Coventry covering warranty repairs 3-5/99
went to Metrobus 5/99 on loan
Inspected by Finglands, but not used 7/99
Back to Coventry 4/00
purchased and to WB 1/01
I'm not sure but I think it may have been the prototype for the TWM batch, though looking at chassis numbers it isn't exactly the lowest one, but is not far off. It must have been built well before 2/99. It would be interesting to know a little more history - what it was doing in 1998, for instance.
This has set me thinking. It's a UVG finished vehicle and UVG went out of business in early 1998 after finishing the first few 0405Ns so 1743 must date from early 1998.
There was another vehicle that was a demonstrator in TWM colours. For the life of me I can't remember it's reg number at the moment, but it was an R reg and I believe it still survives with Norfolk Green I think!
Quote from: Gareth on June 30, 2015, 11:17:09 AM
There was another vehicle that was a demonstrator in TWM colours. For the life of me I can't remember it's reg number at the moment, but it was an R reg and I believe it still survives with Norfolk Green I think!
Yes, I remember it being at an Aston Manor open day I have forgot the reg. number too.
1743 was acquired after west brom garage fire which consumed a merc 1623 or 24 I think, I remember it in all white it had different spec seats with higher backs , orange poles , it stood out from the crowd at the time it spent its early days on the harborne road before being transferred. If I remember correctly it was first merc to painted in worst version of the TWM livery majority blue from back to the front wheels simply horrible, it gained the standard seats as well. It drove like the other R and S plates at west brom.
Quote from: Gareth on June 30, 2015, 11:17:09 AM
There was another vehicle that was a demonstrator in TWM colours. For the life of me I can't remember it's reg number at the moment, but it was an R reg and I believe it still survives with Norfolk Green I think!
That one would R280 SDT (although it doesn't appear to have been taxed since 2005). I suppose that's the same bus featured in this mercedes brochure: https://www.flickr.com/photos/63551959@N03/6074377702/in/photostream/
I had meant to ask about this bus when I came across the photos, I'm guessing it wasn't with TWM for very long, did it ever appear in service? (apologies if I'm going slightly off-topic)
Yes that's the one. I don't think it ever operated in TWM service. But it did operate in TWM colours for Preston, Mainline and GM Buses North. A google search of it's reg number produces some photos of it at various operators.
Quote from: Gareth on June 30, 2015, 12:20:03 PM
Yes that's the one. I don't think it ever operated in TWM service. But it did operate in TWM colours for Preston, Mainline and GM Buses North. A google search of it's reg number produces some photos of it at various operators.
It appears R280SDT was burnt out in Norfolk when with Norfolk Green. I love the shot of it at the terminus in Maltby in full TWM livery. Have a vague recollection I might have seen that in Rotherham when Mainline had it.
R280SDT is no more, having been destroyed by fire as someone says.
Will be strange if ex demo 1743 lasts longest. Preservation worthy for sure. But a run of the mill example like 1613 would get my money too.
Was great to ride some Merc UVG products as apron transfer vehicles at Faro airport, Portugal last weekend.
Thanks - it must be that one that I was thinking of. We still don't know what 1743 was doing in before 2/99 if it was finished by UVG before their closure a year earlier.
Quote from: Stevo on June 30, 2015, 07:16:20 PM
Thanks - it must be that one that I was thinking of. We still don't know what 1743 was doing in before 2/99 if it was finished by UVG before their closure a year earlier.
Thats often the case of demonstrators even going back to the earliest days. Recently looking up the history of BCT prototype Leyland PD2 296 (HOJ 396) and its existence and role before being delivered to Birmingham in Sept 1947 is shrouded in mystery, no records even exist of it being built on the production line!! Back to 1743 its a bus I really like and now the only UVG example still in service.
Quote from: 4130Quinton on June 30, 2015, 09:51:03 PM
Thats often the case of demonstrators even going back to the earliest days. Recently looking up the history of BCT prototype Leyland PD2 296 (HOJ 396) and its existence and role before being delivered to Birmingham in Sept 1947 is shrouded in mystery, no records even exist of it being built on the production line!! Back to 1743 its a bus I really like and now the only UVG example still in service.
Interesting that 1518 has vanished from the bsck wall of the garage, either gone up to the car park or to Miller Street i would assume?
Quote from: 4130Quinton on June 30, 2015, 09:51:03 PM
Thats often the case of demonstrators even going back to the earliest days. Recently looking up the history of BCT prototype Leyland PD2 296 (HOJ 396) and its existence and role before being delivered to Birmingham in Sept 1947 is shrouded in mystery, no records even exist of it being built on the production line!! Back to 1743 its a bus I really like and now the only UVG example still in service.
I believe 1743 was caught up in the UVG collapse and was half finished at at the time of collapse.
It was later finished by Mercxedes in Yorkshire for its demonstrator use
Exactly what did UVG on these mercs, complete vehicle builds or bits and pieces, as I understand it these mercs have integral chassis and body is that correct
I once saw one parked at the Mercedes dealer near Aston Crosson the way to Evobus in Barnsley. It was just a framework and lower panels with no windows, floor, ceiling, etc. You could see rust forming on the upright steel sections between the windows even then. It was in effect just a chassis, but since the 0405N was a chassisless integral the structure had to include side and roof sections.
What's the Trident now sitting on Death Row at Miller Street?
Quote from: The Real 4778 on July 04, 2015, 08:59:57 AM
What's the Trident now sitting on Death Row at Miller Street?
Pretty sure it's 4355
Quote from: John on July 04, 2015, 09:03:28 AM
Pretty sure it's 4355
It sure is. It's sandwiched with 4077, 4050 and 4007
PN Mercs 1629 & 1642 are both now withdrawn parked facing the fence
Quote from: Winston on July 06, 2015, 02:30:28 PM
PN Mercs 1629 & 1642 are both now withdrawn parked facing the fence
Must be down to the last 34 or so. Feels like a really rapid withdrawal.
Withdrawals once they take hold its quick back in 99 when 50 plus mercs arrived it seemed over night the Lynx and mk1 metrobuses vanished.
So 2015 will see the end of optares, Mercedes , Volvo B6 and B10L in normal service, how the years have flown by it only seems like yesterday these were new.
Will the optares be sold on for further use? What's the book value?
I bet the PLAXTON volvos will be sold on , i,ve seen one of thandi,s Volvo b7tl for sale £20k he wants all refurbed and in good nick.
The trouble with the Plaxtons is their age. There's a glut of newer London ones on the market, plus Dublin bus ones now. I miss seeing old WM buses with other operators. Since the Metrobuses little has seen further service. The Scania N113s did as they were sold off early, but few B6s have seen further service - just McColl of Balloch and I think all of his are gone.
Personally I don't see the Spectras being used in PSV service after their life with WM. They are a numerically small and non-standard type.
Don't think any of the Volvo B6LE 501-683 batch [and the Excels] sold have found new homes as runners, they've practically all gone for scrap (possibly 669 aside). Its the same for Volvo B10B 13xx batch and the later B10L examples (although 1468 was sold to South & City College in Sept 2013 and 1513 to Unite Union on June 2013, for non-PCV work). To-date no Mercedes 0405N/GN's have been sold as runners - presumably the same fate awaits the Spectras and the Plaxton Presidents.
Quote from: paulb1973 on July 07, 2015, 08:29:04 PM
Don't think any of the Volvo B6LE 501-683 batch [and the Excels] sold have found new homes as runners, they've practically all gone for scrap (possibly 669 aside). Its the same for Volvo B10B 13xx batch and the later B10L examples (although 1468 was sold to South & City College in Sept 2013 and 1513 to Unite Union on June 2013, for non-PCV work). To-date no Mercedes 0405N/GN's have been sold as runners - presumably the same fate awaits the Spectras and the Plaxton Presidents.
I would like to see and would think Presidents would get sold on as runners. I thought they were DDA but an expert could confirm or deny.
Quote from: paulb1973 on July 07, 2015, 08:29:04 PM
Don't think any of the Volvo B6LE 501-683 batch [and the Excels] sold have found new homes as runners, they've practically all gone for scrap (possibly 669 aside). Its the same for Volvo B10B 13xx batch and the later B10L examples (although 1468 was sold to South & City College in Sept 2013 and 1513 to Unite Union on June 2013, for non-PCV work). To-date no Mercedes 0405N/GN's have been sold as runners - presumably the same fate awaits the Spectras and the Plaxton Presidents.
No - McColl of Balloch was so impressed with his TWM Metrobuses that he bought a number of B6LEs for his local services around Dumbarton. He also had one or two of the ex Hotel Hoppa B6LEs. This was a few years ago now, though, when they were first withdrawn.
Quote from: Stevo on July 07, 2015, 09:35:51 PM
No - McColl of Balloch was so impressed with his TWM Metrobuses that he bought a number of B6LEs for his local services around Dumbarton. He also had one or two of the ex Hotel Hoppa B6LEs. This was a few years ago now, though, when they were first withdrawn.
Although he brought them from TWM, none had run and were all ex Hotel Hoppas
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on July 07, 2015, 08:37:39 PM
I would like to see and would think Presidents would get sold on as runners. I thought they were DDA but an expert could confirm or deny.
By 'DDA' I presume you mean DDA-compliant? They comply with the regulations and standards of the Disability Discrimination Act in force at the time they were ordered, yes. However, standards have moved on since then, so they won't necessarily comply with these without modification.
They are also limited by emissions regs as to where they can be used, plus, as someone else has said, far newer Presidents are already in the market displaced from the smoke, so I wouldn't hold out much hope if any that 4025-4114 will see any further use.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on July 08, 2015, 07:20:39 PM
By 'DDA' I presume you mean DDA-compliant? They comply with the regulations and standards of the Disability Discrimination Act in force at the time they were ordered, yes. However, standards have moved on since then, so they won't necessarily comply with these without modification.
They are also limited by emissions regs as to where they can be used, plus, as someone else has said, far newer Presidents are already in the market displaced from the smoke, so I wouldn't hold out much hope if any that 4025-4114 will see any further use.
They do meet current DDA regulations, they were brought up to standard when they were refurbished
4023 was Volvo's very first low floor double decker. It would be good if someone preserved it. Or 4028, which was the 1999 show vehicle.
4023: I had no idea this was volvos first low floor double decker, definitely candidate for presivation I would have thought.
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2015, 07:23:51 PM
They do meet current DDA regulations, they were brought up to standard when they were refurbished
Thanks Tony, I wasn't sure if they did, which is why I said 'they don't necessarily meet' current regs.
WN 640 & WB 1671 have probably run their last
Thinking about it, strictly speaking 4023 was only Volvo's second low floor decker as in 1998 at the NEC show Volvo had the very first President, to London spec., on the B7L chassis, with in-line engine. I don't think it ever ran in service, though, as it was thought too long for service in London, so the transverse engined B7TL was developed in something of a rush.
Re. B7L, If I remember correctly, it was the rear overhang, and the resulting swing out that London objected to for central London after experience with a fleet of Volvo B10Bs. I understand Dennis were put in the same position, as their low floor DD was to be based on the Lance SLF/ Arrow concept. With that requirement, the course of double decker development was changed. Later, the same body deemed articulated single deckers acceptable.
640 gone oh no that is was a great b6 it had good power for a b6 and it had good bodywork will miss that one a lot didn't go on it that long ago
Quote from: Tiptonian on July 10, 2015, 12:22:32 AM
Re. B7L, If I remember correctly, it was the rear overhang, and the resulting swing out that London objected to for central London after experience with a fleet of Volvo B10Bs. I understand Dennis were put in the same position, as their low floor DD was to be based on the Lance SLF/ Arrow concept. With that requirement, the course of double decker development was changed. Later, the same body deemed articulated single deckers acceptable.
The irony as well is the current, less than ideal B5LH chassis with resulting long overhang actually reminds me of the B7L which wasn't that popular in single deck form, except with First, either.
The original prototype B7L PLAXTON president never saw service, a few years a go I did see it for sale minus its engine and gearbox I wander if it's still in the same yard still. A bus ahead of its time for sure, I read some where VOLVO are big fans of inline drivetrain all this transverse layout not really there cup of tea as so to speak.
I was in Derby yesterday and the Wright StreetDeck 4600 was in the bus station not in service. I had a good look - the thing was the rear overhang was the same as a transverse engined vehicle. Presumably the 4 cylinder Merc engine fits under the rear seat, but at the back it looked exactly like a transverse engined bus. Ugly as hell at the front!
4016 looks like it will not run again
4027; 4065; 4072; 4073 are now at Miller Street in reserve with 6 more to follow
Here comes President cull again......
(with apologies to XTC)
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2015, 03:24:13 PM
4016 looks like it will not run again
4027; 4065; 4072; 4073 are now at Miller Street in reserve with 6 more to follow
Luckily those 4 are dud for me, hopefully the next 6 are too.
Quote from: Tony on July 22, 2015, 03:24:13 PM
4016 looks like it will not run again
4027; 4065; 4072; 4073 are now at Miller Street in reserve with 6 more to follow
4027 is a pile of s*** anyway! I like how 4507 went in convoy to drop the 4 Plaxtons to Miller Street lol, quite fitting haha
4038 and 4102 next please :)
4024 is now parked in Miller St, along with 6028 which I'm told is being prepared for scrap
Quote from: John on July 23, 2015, 10:37:57 AM
4024 is now parked in Miller St, along with 6028 which I'm told is being prepared for scrap
6028 shouldn't be going for scrap!
What about WB presidents? Are they in better condition?
You could send a few more up to Dundee if you like, they're probably in better shape than some of our Geminis!
Quote from: John on July 23, 2015, 10:37:57 AM
4024 is now parked in Miller St, along with 6028 which I'm told is being prepared for scrap
4076 is the other arrival at Miller Street. These 6 are not withdrawn
Quote from: Trident 4194 on July 23, 2015, 10:39:52 AM
What about WB presidents? Are they in better condition?
WB are fine, not forgetting that most have had a second refurb/repaint.
Haven't been on many other Presidents so I wouldn't be able to tell.
Why are Presidents being withdrawn when their are a few Spectras still in service.
Quote from: BusFan on July 23, 2015, 04:47:02 PM
Why are Presidents being withdrawn when their are a few Spectras still in service.
Have you read my post two above yours?
Quote from: BusFan on July 23, 2015, 04:47:02 PM
Why are Presidents being withdrawn when their are a few Spectras still in service.
They aren't they are entering the reserve fleet
Quote from: Tony on July 23, 2015, 10:39:37 AM
6028 shouldn't be going for scrap!
But will any other operator want an 11 year old artic?
My apologies, so much for trying to view the forum on my phone !
I suppose with the influx of Geminis to AG, Presidents going was an inevitability
Quote from: BusFan on July 23, 2015, 05:27:57 PM
My apologies, so much for trying to view the forum on my phone !
I suppose with the influx of Geminis to AG, Presidents going was an inevitability
Yup, the majority of them should be going apparently, which is great! Presumably enough for the 1 & 966?
Quote from: MW on July 23, 2015, 08:25:53 PM
Yup, the majority of them should be going apparently, which is great! Presumably enough for the 1 & 966?
Hopefully they'll go Gemini operated as well.
Photos of 3070
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/gonebatches/3070.html
and 3091
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/gonebatches/3091.html
Amazing! Sort of back from the dead. Any idea what their future holds?
Really good to see 3070/3091 basically still in there last service condition unrestored , looks like they,ve been in these sheds for a while with that amount of dust on them. If they are not rotten I hope some one will give them a good home. I know it's only been 5 years since metro buses left service feels a lot longer to me. From this batch I recall 3088,89,90 there were others at hockley garage, the 3 I,ve mentioned were decent drives but in large the 3000 batch were the worst of metrobuses, I can recall my disappointment of my first drives of the f and g plated examples so many issues they suffered from, gearboxes just awful on these for what ever reason.
1560 Mercedes 0405N parked next to the fuel tanks with a red sticker/ reserve , I thought it was rather amusing, I would have thought scrap. Also a merc parked next to all that diesel funny as well, we all know how these thing like to self combust, surely it's a health and safety violation.
Quote from: 2900 on August 10, 2015, 10:32:35 AM
1560 Mercedes 0405N parked next to the fuel tanks with a red sticker/ reserve , I thought it was rather amusing, I would have thought scrap. Also a merc parked next to all that diesel funny as well, we all know how these thing like to self combust, surely it's a health and safety violation.
They all need scrapping now theyve had their day! Funny how its taking so long for scanias to arrive at west brom yet other garages getting them have had quite a lot. And 1950 has disappeared from garage even though it was shown on this site as transferred to west brom. 1951 and 1952 for some reason still havent entered service which leaves only 1953 in service usually on the 49. 1653 is worse to drive than 1560 was!!!
Quote from: WB on August 10, 2015, 01:27:44 PM
They all need scrapping now theyve had their day! Funny how its taking so long for scanias to arrive at west brom yet other garages getting them have had quite a lot. And 1950 has disappeared from garage even though it was shown on this site as transferred to west brom. 1951 and 1952 for some reason still havent entered service which leaves only 1953 in service usually on the 49. 1653 is worse to drive than 1560 was!!!
1950 is at Keltruck, I believe it may be getting a replacement engine
Quote from: WB on August 10, 2015, 01:27:44 PM
They all need scrapping now theyve had their day! Funny how its taking so long for scanias to arrive at west brom yet other garages getting them have had quite a lot. And 1950 has disappeared from garage even though it was shown on this site as transferred to west brom. 1951 and 1952 for some reason still havent entered service which leaves only 1953 in service usually on the 49. 1653 is worse to drive than 1560 was!!!
@WB I'm guessing you mean 1953?
Quote from: AV4248 on August 10, 2015, 02:17:08 PM
@WB I'm guessing you mean 1953?
No im on about merc 1653 is worse to drive than some of the ones leaving the fleet ;)
Quote from: WB on August 10, 2015, 03:20:42 PM
No im on about merc 1653 is worse to drive than some of the ones leaving the fleet ;)
Oh get what you mean now sorry about that.
1560 has left its resting place next to the diesel tanks to be replaced by the health bus still looking in mint condition.
1950 having a replacement engine it's only 5 years old, AG drivers must have driven the tits off it well done chaps jolly good I say.
Quote from: 2900 on August 11, 2015, 09:56:06 PM
1950 having a replacement engine it's only 5 years old, AG drivers must have driven the tits off it well done chaps jolly good I say.
They are so much better than the MMCs! Count yourself lucky! Driving wise that is, just don't look at the condition of the exterior!
Quote from: 2900 on August 11, 2015, 09:56:06 PM
1950 having a replacement engine it's only 5 years old, AG drivers must have driven the tits off it well done chaps jolly good I say.
If they did it was never when I was near it or any of the others. Those big Scania engines hardly seem to need to be pushed at all. Perhaps it was the stress of the exhaust gas recirculation - all that hot exhaust being sent back into the cylinders. I believe the Euro 4 MAN engines had particular problems with that.
Yes I,ve read the reports on the MAN engines, which MAN have accepted to repair or replace all affected vehicles , I wander will scanias suffer the same issues
4002: sold to midland classic, looking at there fleet list it would be one of the oldest dockers to the fleet, I wander what they,ll do with it.
Quote from: 2900 on August 20, 2015, 09:22:53 AM
4002: sold to midland classic, looking at there fleet list it would be one of the oldest dockers to the fleet, I wander what they,ll do with it.
There's life in many an old docker!
West Bromwich garage dead merc pile parked in front of admin block are
1560/1582/1589/1667/1698 all currently missing there rear lights very odd i,m thinking unless there's big demand for them.
It got me thinking what could I have from a merc as a souvenir as I,ve always liked them for the power houses they were.
The 1909-1953 are actually Euro 5 I believe - they have the Scania DC9 30 230 engine. The 1788-1907 series have the Scania DC9 16 230; you can tell the difference between the engine sounds and performance - the later ones are a lot smoother I find when changing gear at a low speed.
The Scania engines are pretty good - the YW ones are great powerhouses and certainly utilised at times. Miles better than a strained E200 (the old version).
There's always the occasional bus out of a batch which needs a new engine earlier than usual - remember one of those 2009 E400s needed a new one. One of Diamond's Optare SRs (MFV) has a engine from a Optare Solo now as the previous one just went dead. Anyway I'll shut up!
http://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Scania_N_UD4x2
http://lubematch.shell.co.uk/tt/en_US/equipment/commercial/proprietary_engines/scania/dc9_30_230_9_3ltr_eev_with_dpf_230hp_truck_and_bus_engines_euro5_and_eev_EFt8PjIrc
Please don't shut up! According to that first site the Euro 5 engine is bigger than the Euro 4. I'd noticed a difference in sound too. It's ironic that I've just learned this as they leave my regular route the 37.
None of
601; 632
1667; 1704; 1707; 1743
4006; 4010
will be seen out again
1406 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/17792289416/in/photostream/
1477 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/17931592416/in/photostream/
1479 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/17457675978/in/photostream/
These are listed as withdrawn but they have appeared in scrapyard few months ago
Quote from: Stevo on August 25, 2015, 10:11:42 AM
Please don't shut up! According to that first site the Euro 5 engine is bigger than the Euro 4. I'd noticed a difference in sound too. It's ironic that I've just learned this as they leave my regular route the 37.
@Stevo Thank you! Yeah the Euro 5s sound a bit more "bassy" due to the larger size. The Euro 4s have a 8867cm3 E4 engine, whilst the Euro 5s have a 9291cm3 EEV one. The Johnsons Scanias have the same engine, but the Ecolife gearbox.
This website is great for the details, and has some pictures of when the NX Scanias were on delivery from Poland.
http://phototrans.eu/24,2798,0.html
The suspension I find is also slightly improved on the later EEVs in comparison to the Euro 4s.
1662 T662FOB at Miller street with tow truck
It has now been decided to retire 244.
Quote from: Tony on August 27, 2015, 02:18:49 PM
It has now been decided to retire 244.
A shame for the ex-Hotel Hoppa.... :(
PN Merc 1627 now appears to be withdrawn, it is parked facing the fence alongside the others, there be another as well but couldn't ID
Quote from: Winston on September 10, 2015, 12:15:15 PM
PN Merc 1627 now appears to be withdrawn, it is parked facing the fence alongside the others, there be another as well but couldn't ID
1593 & 1677 have also died at Pensnett
1659 at Coventry shouldn't be seen out again either
Quote from: Tony on September 10, 2015, 12:36:03 PM
1593 & 1677 have also died at Pensnett
1659 at Coventry shouldn't be seen out again either
I saw 1677 parked up (next to 1704?) in the 2nd row, but it never registered as a new withdrawal, the other one was next to 1627 (row nearest the fence)
End of an era this week with the departure from Lea Hall of 281 for scrap. This was the last Solo owned by West Midlands Travel
Other departures this week are
661; 1405 & 1460 from Lea hall
643; 1521 & 7084 from Pensnett
1518 was also marked up for PVS in Pensnett's reserve fleet yard this morning
It's good to see the photos just posted of withdrawn vehicles at LH. LH has been used to store withdrawn vehicles for many years. Here's a picture I took of COG5 1084 in LH yard in 1960.
Quote from: Stevo on September 22, 2015, 04:34:11 PM
Here's a picture I took of COG5 1084 in LH yard in 1960.
Looks like it was in superb condition for a withdrawn vehicle. That was Birmingham City Transport for you!
1403 and 1551 passed through the Fox And Goose at about 9AM today dose anyone know were they were going?
Quote from: 2206 on October 02, 2015, 04:27:53 PM
1403 and 1551 passed through the Fox And Goose at about 9AM today dose anyone know were they were going?
Willenhall Commercials
1422 passed the Fox And Goose today at about 8:30 being towed
Was this going to PVS
@Tony ?
Two more long lost buses have re-emerged from Lea hall and are now visible from the road at Miller Street
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1515-1743/1604.html
Quote from: Tony on October 06, 2015, 09:53:39 PM
Two more long lost buses have re-emerged from Lea hall and are now visible from the road at Miller Street
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1515-1743/1604.html
I presume for towing to Barnsley? There seems to have been a purge on LH-stored buses recently.
Merc 1613 last week I noticed it had the red sticker on the windscreen to reserve fleet then vanished, I assume the five other dead mercs will go straight to the breakers from here when the time comes. To move them to Miller st ,lea hall or the farm would cost a tow truck which seems pointless.
Quote from: 2900 on October 13, 2015, 10:12:48 AM
Merc 1613 last week I noticed it had the red sticker on the windscreen to reserve fleet then vanished, I assume the five other dead mercs will go straight to the breakers from here when the time comes. To move them to Miller st ,lea hall or the farm would cost a tow truck which seems pointless.
1613 is still at WB, 1607 now off the road, so NXWM Mercs have finished only 9 days late.
NXC still have 1571; 1579; 1591; 1594; 1703 in use
Quote from: Tony on October 06, 2015, 09:53:39 PM
Two more long lost buses have re-emerged from Lea hall and are now visible from the road at Miller Street
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/1515-1743/1604.html
What us Lee Hall and what is their?
Quote from: Tomf1993 on October 13, 2015, 12:01:20 PM
What us Lee Hall and what is their?
Lea Hall is a former NX bus garage which was closed operationally in 2010 (I think), it has since been sold to a recycling firm but NX still use a proportion of the depot building & all the outside yard to store part of their vast reserve fleet.
Tony has recently taken picture of the various B6LE's / B10L's, Merc's & Scania Artics that are stored there (they were from a couple of weeks ago so are no longer showing on the Main Site photo previews), but it does appear to currently be being cleared with vehicles going for scrap
Quote from: Winston on October 13, 2015, 12:14:55 PM
Lea Hall is a former NX bus garage which was closed operationally in 2010 (I think), it has since been sold to a recycling firm but NX still use a proportion of the depot building & all the outside yard to store part of their vast reserve fleet.
Tony has recently taken picture of the various B6LE's / B10L's, Merc's & Scania Artics that are stored there (they were from a couple of weeks ago so are no longer showing on the Main Site photo previews), but it does appear to currently be being cleared with vehicles going for scrap
Thanks Winston, Ive been reading on the mail site that TWM have Bendy Buses, where can I find these?
Quote from: Tomf1993 on October 13, 2015, 02:06:12 PM
Thanks Winston, Ive been reading on the mail site that TWM have Bendy Buses, where can I find these?
Coventry on service 4
Quote from: Tomf1993 on October 13, 2015, 02:06:12 PM
Thanks Winston, Ive been reading on the mail site that TWM have Bendy Buses, where can I find these?
NX Coventry have 10 x Merc Citaro Artics (6012-6021) still in service:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6012.html
NXWM's 11 x Scania Omnicity Artics (6022-6032) are all in reserve (most parked inside Lea Hall garage building, 2 are/were parked at Miller Street:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/5001-9959/6022.html
Quote from: Tomf1993 on October 13, 2015, 02:06:12 PM
Thanks Winston, Ive been reading on the mail site that TWM have Bendy Buses, where can I find these?
Lea Hall for the Scania reserves & Coventry for the Citaro Bendies in service
@Tomf1993
Good to see Mercedes 0405N 1707 is to be preserved, will it be restored to its hockley garage spec when delivered new there in 1999. Wish I had the time and space to restore a bus, currently have classic mini, and 3 BMW,s that need finishing.
Quote from: 2900 on October 15, 2015, 10:32:34 AM
Good to see Mercedes 0405N 1707 is to be preserved, will it be restored to its hockley garage spec when delivered new there in 1999. Wish I had the time and space to restore a bus, currently have classic mini, and 3 BMW,s that need finishing.
Nice to hear that a Merc is to be preserved shame its not an earlier model but beggars cannot be choosers lol, Will a B10 be preserved do you reckon???
Quote from: 2900 on October 15, 2015, 10:32:34 AM
Good to see Mercedes 0405N 1707 is to be preserved, will it be restored to its hockley garage spec when delivered new there in 1999. Wish I had the time and space to restore a bus, currently have classic mini, and 3 BMW,s that need finishing.
Can't remember what its Hockley Garage spec was?
Quote from: Squiz1971 on October 15, 2015, 11:02:40 AM
Nice to hear that a Merc is to be preserved shame its not an earlier model but beggars cannot be choosers lol, Will a B10 be preserved do you reckon???
Apparently 1415 is being looked at by somebody.
What about an ALX200 Dart? Or has everybody forgot about them already?
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on October 15, 2015, 11:50:05 AM
Apparently 1415 is being looked at by somebody.
What about an ALX200 Dart? Or has everybody forgot about them already?
3603 has already been saved
Quote from: X94 on October 15, 2015, 11:37:38 AM
Can't remember what its Hockley Garage spec was?
look at the bottom picture of 1707 that would be what is meant I guess, the original low floor livery applied to all deliveries on Travel West Midlands buses
Quote from: Squiz1971 on October 15, 2015, 02:26:02 PM
look at the bottom picture of 1707 that would be what is meant I guess, the original low floor livery applied to all deliveries on Travel West Midlands buses
I guess you'll just have to wait and see what happens......
1704-1707 were branded for the 120 service at hockley garage from new and very smart they looked to. It did look odd though in the evenings when 87/120 boards inter worked , I think back I still can't believe single deckers were put on the 87,s woefully inadequate , use to leave behind many many passengers . On flip side you would have double deckers from the 87 boards on the 120 where it wasn't required ,go figure.
Quote from: 2900 on October 16, 2015, 10:42:34 AM
1704-1707 were branded for the 120 service at hockley garage from new and very smart they looked to. It did look odd though in the evenings when 87/120 boards inter worked , I think back I still can't believe single deckers were put on the 87,s woefully inadequate , use to leave behind many many passengers .
When I lived in Oldbury briefly as a kid I thought I had only imagined this. I remember seeing them on the old 128/129 on Sundays.
Hockley garage put out all mercs on Sunday's , people use to say Sunday best. I did drive the mercs regular on Sunday's very nice indeed just cruising about. Very sharp contrast from a damp smelly metrobus.
Quote from: 2900 on October 16, 2015, 10:42:34 AM
1704-1707 were branded for the 120 service at hockley garage from new and very smart they looked to. It did look odd though in the evenings when 87/120 boards inter worked , I think back I still can't believe single deckers were put on the 87,s woefully inadequate , use to leave behind many many passengers . On flip side you would have double deckers from the 87 boards on the 120 where it wasn't required ,go figure.
BCC operated the 87 (and the 120) around that time as well didn't they, guess they picked up some of the passengers left behind
I remember the damp, mouldy smell the Metrobuses had when it rained, BC's Scania N113's down the Bristol Road were similar. Remember one time there was so much water sloshing about on the top deck the time I got to town my feet were soaked. Water used to go to the sides of the top deck without anywhere to drain and slosh back to front lol
Mercs on Sunday at Hockley 88E queens head Londonderry , 120 normal route, 128/129 to and from city- blackheath
BCC used go home around sevenish in those days they missed a trick there they could have cleaned up , inter working of the 87/120 boards kicked in from 1830 hrs if I remember correctly.
At Hockley the 8/ 65/ 120 were the branded using mercs I think the 66 might have been, the 65 was very short lived mercs could cope with volume of passengers. It wasn't long after 65/67 transferred to Perry Barr. I,m sure lea hall mercs were branded I use see them by Mathew Boulton / Aston science park sides I can picture brown branding not the service number.
Thinking back I remember the old drivers saying if it wasn't for the travel card we,ed be finished on the 120s , BCC took all the cash customers. Look how things have changed. I did get to know the Bcc drivers at the time, they use to boast about there money bag how heavy it was grinning ear to ear cause they got a percentage of it.
Quote from: 2900 on October 16, 2015, 11:17:15 AM
Thinking back I remember the old drivers saying if it wasn't for the travel card we,ed be finished on the 120s , BCC took all the cash customers. Look how things have changed. I did get to know the Bcc drivers at the time, they use to boast about there money bag how heavy it was grinning ear to ear cause they got a percentage of it.
@2900 what happen to BCCs 120 route? Why was it withdrawn
Quote from: 2900 on October 16, 2015, 11:17:15 AM
Thinking back I remember the old drivers saying if it wasn't for the travel card we,ed be finished on the 120s , BCC took all the cash customers. Look how things have changed. I did get to know the Bcc drivers at the time, they use to boast about there money bag how heavy it was grinning ear to ear cause they got a percentage of it.
BCC seemed busy on there, wasn't it every 10 mins each operator at one time? Pity frequency wasn't kept as high as Diamond kept it on the 16, if I remember correctly, as on the 63, 87 maybe 74 as well Thandi or some independent came on the 120, competed mostly with Diamond where 120 became unviable, was withdrawn and then the other competing operators moved on somewhere else so TWM had no competition on the 120.
Quote from: 2900 on October 16, 2015, 10:42:34 AM
1704-1707 were branded for the 120 service at hockley garage from new and very smart they looked to. It did look odd though in the evenings when 87/120 boards inter worked , I think back I still can't believe single deckers were put on the 87,s woefully inadequate , use to leave behind many many passengers . On flip side you would have double deckers from the 87 boards on the 120 where it wasn't required ,go figure.
They did look smart and the AC was excellent on top of the drivers cab.
Are you positive 1707 was branded? I definitely know that 1703 to 1706 were because I've seen pictures of then but I've never come across one showing 1707 as being branded. If anyone can shed any light it'd be greatly appreciated
Quote from: DiamondDart on October 16, 2015, 11:41:33 AM
BCC seemed busy on there, wasn't it every 10 mins each operator at one time? Pity frequency wasn't kept as high as Diamond kept it on the 16, if I remember correctly, as on the 63, 87 maybe 74 as well Thandi or some independent came on the 120, competed mostly with Diamond where 120 became unviable, was withdrawn and then the other competing operators moved on somewhere else so TWM had no competition on the 120.
Yes, I do recall at one point the 120 had TWM and BCC (then Diamond) operating every 20mins, so there was pretty much a bus every 10mins, this was before Sunny Travel joined the party, and the route became saturated, although Sunny only operated between Birmingham and Oldbury. I seem to recall TWM's service being less frequent when Metrobuses were the norm, I guess the transition to single decks warranted the frequency increase, as the TWM buses were often full I used to prefer getting the BCC and Sunny buses instead. I think that BCC/Diamond then withdrew when TWM increased their frequency to 15mins, and BCC's passenger numbers further dwindled.
How times have changed for this route! At one point TWM didn't even bother running evening or Sunday journeys, as they were tendered out to Midland Red West.
The brown branding on the Lea Hall mercs was for the 94 service. This would be around june 99.
Quote from: X94 on October 16, 2015, 11:54:23 AM
Are you positive 1707 was branded? I definitely know that 1703 to 1706 were because I've seen pictures of then but I've never come across one showing 1707 as being branded. If anyone can shed any light it'd be greatly appreciated
This is correct. 1703-6 were 120 branded.
You,ve got me thinking now was it branded or not , I do know there were 4 of them definitely 1700s these were last to arrive at Hockley late autumn time I recall , the 8,s were late 1690,s and some 1700s .
Sunny killed off diamond on the 120s basically the drivers were all In touch with blue tooth head sets letting each other know what's going on the route. They were good bunch of lads who always stopped where ever to give a lift into oldbury when nx service 120s got held up some where. Saving my skin many a times.
At Hockey 1651 to 1655 were branded for 65 1660 to 1666 for old 68 service 1698 to 1702 for cross city 66 later rebranded for 8.1703 to 1706 for 120. 1707 was never branded and for some reason did not have a video camera when new. On a side note 2 occasions 65 service has been tried to convert to single deck one with lynx's and one with Mercedes and each time had to revert to double deck.
There are now 5 bendies parked neatly at Miller Street. Is this to clear Lea Hall?
Quote from: Eric Shaw on October 30, 2015, 07:34:03 PM
There are now 5 bendies parked neatly at Miller Street. Is this to clear Lea Hall?
It is yes
3601 , 4004 and 4018 outside of Miller street now
Update 08:50
All 3 shunted back into depot now
Quote from: Eric Shaw on October 30, 2015, 07:34:03 PM
There are now 5 bendies parked neatly at Miller Street. Is this to clear Lea Hall?
Just one bus left in Lea Hall now, so the last vehicle to leave there will be a bendi bus!
Just a quick query - what was the fate of 1441? Last time I heard was that it was at Lea Hall - always my favourite B10L so curious to know what happened.
Quote from: Liberator9 on November 17, 2015, 03:27:42 PM
Just a quick query - what was the fate of 1441? Last time I heard was that it was at Lea Hall - always my favourite B10L so curious to know what happened.
Think that one was sold to PVS for scrap last month. I assume Miller St has taken most of the ex-stored at LH stuff?
Can I ask the same question about 556? I think that's now one of the last long term withdrawals. It's the last B6 left that I was fond of. But I believe it's always been well hidden at MS.
Thanks for the information!
Do we know how many vehicles XS can hold? Rough figure of course, as it'd vary on dimensions of vehicles. How many are there atm?
Looks like another Spectra has moved to Miller Street.
Looking at Tony's latest pictures - seems 1503 went for scrap yesterday (from MS). I think the last vehicle in that small batch to go for scrap was 1511 back in May 2013. Quite a long gap and only 1502/6 are the others to be scrapped - all the other members exist in some form I think.
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 18, 2015, 10:50:17 PM
Looking at Tony's latest pictures - seems 1503 went for scrap yesterday (from MS). I think the last vehicle in that small batch to go for scrap was 1511 back in May 2013. Quite a long gap and only 1502/6 are the others to be scrapped - all the other members exist in some form I think.
1510 went for scrap direct from Lea Hall earlier this month as well
Looks like 9951, 4007 and 4020 have appeared at Miller Street.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 19, 2015, 04:14:00 PM
Looks like 9951, 4007 and 4020 have appeared at Miller Street.
9951 has been at Miller Street for months. It is awaiting a couple of spare parts
Quote from: Tony on November 19, 2015, 05:10:32 PM
9951 has been at Miller Street for months. It is awaiting a couple of spare parts
Is 9951 still part of the training fleet with 9959
@Tony?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 19, 2015, 04:14:00 PM
Looks like 9951, 4007 and 4020 have appeared at Miller Street.
I've still got 4006/9-10/13/17/21-22 as being withdrawn at WN [their last known location as it were] - have they all moved to Miller St, assuming those haven't gone for scrap?
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 19, 2015, 05:57:58 PM
I've still got 4006/9-10/13/17/21-22 as being withdrawn at WN [their last known location as it were] - have they all moved to Miller St, assuming those haven't gone for scrap?
4007 and 4020 will be going for scrap.
Quote from: Tony on November 20, 2015, 08:41:29 AM
More guesswork
Well 4007 is parked up with parts missing and a damaged windshield. 4020 is a guess since it's parked by 4007 and all the vehicles which I'm told are being scrapped.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on November 20, 2015, 04:21:33 PM
Well 4007 is parked up with parts missing and a damaged windshield. 4020 is a guess since it's parked by 4007 and all the vehicles which I'm told are being scrapped.
4020 is likely to go to another operator and 4007 has been at Miller Street for a long time
Midland classic?
tony, do you think any more spectras will see a new owner, or will the rest be on a one way journey?
Given that NX allowed Scotland's first low floor single decker to rot into a rusty wreck beyond saving (L3 LOW - 7114), I hope something can be done for R2 NEG (4002), Scotland'a first low floor double decker, or is it only english heritage that counts?
Quote from: DavieDD2 on November 20, 2015, 10:04:22 PM
Given that NX allowed Scotland's first low floor single decker to rot into a rusty wreck beyond saving (L3 LOW - 7114), I hope something can be done for R2 NEG (4002), Scotland'a first low floor double decker, or is it only english heritage that counts?
4002 survives on in service with Midland Classic of Burton Upon Trent.
Where it should be...
Quote from: DavieDD2 on November 20, 2015, 10:04:22 PM
Given that NX allowed Scotland's first low floor single decker to rot into a rusty wreck beyond saving (L3 LOW - 7114), I hope something can be done for R2 NEG (4002), Scotland'a first low floor double decker, or is it only english heritage that counts?
Well let's get the facts right.
7114 was going into service at Walsall until it was found to have arrived in the West Midlands with completely rotton frame.
4002 has already been sold to someone who will look after its future
Quote from: DavieDD2 on November 20, 2015, 10:22:42 PM
Where it should be...
Well if anyone in Scotland had of wanted it, it would be up there
Not that it spent enough time up here for anyone to appreciate it, NXWM had it back down south as soon as the publicity had dried up...
Quote from: DavieDD2 on November 20, 2015, 10:04:22 PM
Given that NX allowed Scotland's first low floor single decker to rot into a rusty wreck beyond saving (L3 LOW - 7114), I hope something can be done for R2 NEG (4002), Scotland'a first low floor double decker, or is it only english heritage that counts?
Pretty sure I remember someone saying 4002 was offered to Dundee museum but they didn't want it
Quote from: Kevin on November 21, 2015, 05:51:23 AM
Pretty sure I remember someone saying 4002 was offered to Dundee museum but they didn't want it
thats correct Scottish museums weren't interested it's mentioned in one of threads some where , that decision I found to be very odd indeed. As Tony has mentioned it's in safe hands.
A Scanias OmniCity bendy passing through Fox and Goose, Bromford Lane at around 12.30 this afternoon.
Spotted 4021 heading to walsall this morning?
Just gone past Miller Street. There's a Spectra parked with it's electrics on. I think it was 4020 but looks like some more are going today.
Anyone know why Spectra 4001 is parked in Hatherton Road Walsall at the mo?
Quote from: Westy on December 19, 2015, 12:33:45 PM
Anyone know why Spectra 4001 is parked in Hatherton Road Walsall at the mo?
@Westy see this thread - http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2431.150
according to ensigns December list, another spectra has found a new home -
Spectra S404NVP : Wilts Lodge School, Rutland.
Quote from: mranon on December 29, 2015, 07:33:32 PM
according to ensigns December list, another spectra has found a new home -
Spectra S404NVP : Wilts Lodge School, Rutland.
Been pointed out to me it is actually Wilds Lodge School, a mechanical training establishment
well, at least that's another one seeing some sort of 2nd life, so apart from 4001/2/9 and now this 4004 have anymore moved on to your knowledge tony
I understand that 6 Mercs will see further service with another operator in Ireland
I thought the whole reason they couldn't be used after today was that they cannot see further service with DDA laws. Or can they still be used for certain other work?
Ah, I've just seen your comment about Ireland in the Pensnett thread.
Quote from: Gareth on December 31, 2015, 09:41:07 PM
Ah, I've just seen your comment about Ireland in the Pensnett thread.
Yes, sorry, should have clarified, I've amended my post above now.
Quote from: Mike K on December 31, 2015, 09:19:52 PM
I understand that 6 Mercs will see further service with another operator in Ireland
I will be watching this with interest, maybe not the end of the Mercs yet for me!!
5 x Mercs are currently parked in the top left-hand corner of Pensnett garage fronts facing the fence again, one in the corner being 1641, with an NXC liveried Merc parked further down on it's own with it's rear facing the fence
As Karl posted, B6LE's 502 & 660 at least have either gone or have now been parked down the bottom of the yard
Quote from: Winston on January 06, 2016, 02:29:10 PM
5 x Mercs are currently parked in the top left-hand corner of Pensnett garage fronts facing the fence again, one in the corner being 1641, with an NXC liveried Merc parked further down on it's own with it's rear facing the fence
As Karl posted, B6LE's 502 & 660 at least have either gone or have now been parked down the bottom of the yard
502, 561, 572, 658, 660, 1411, 1420, 1426, 1668 & 1670 should all be heading off to Barnsley
Quote from: Tony on January 06, 2016, 02:59:15 PM
502, 561, 572, 658, 660, 1411, 1420, 1426, 1668 & 1670 should all be heading off to Barnsley
They've got some shifting around to do to get 1420 out, it's right in the back row up against the fence
Looks like Ensign Bus have picked up two more Spectra's from Miller St including 4021
https://www.flickr.com/photos/33747326@N05/23842938929/
Forgot to mention 1560 looks like a newish addition to Pensnett's reserve fleet
Quote from: Winston on January 06, 2016, 03:16:32 PM
They've got some shifting around to do to get 1420 out, it's right in the back row up against the fence
Looks like Ensign Bus have picked up two more Spectra's from Miller St including 4021
https://www.flickr.com/photos/33747326@N05/23842938929/
Forgot to mention 1560 looks like a newish addition to Pensnett's reserve fleet
buses heading off for further use makes welcome reading than the endless one way trips to Barnsley or emr for recycling into Heinz beanz canz
Pensnett reserve fleet has had a bit of move around, 1698 appears to be an new addition (parked on the end where 660 was)
Mercs from west broms admin block gone now ,not to far by the looks of it
Quote from: Winston on January 22, 2016, 11:17:43 AM
Pensnett reserve fleet has had a bit of move around, 1698 appears to be an new addition (parked on the end where 660 was)
You didn't notice two absentees then?
1571 & 1591 are now at Miller Street being prepared for resale
Quote from: Tony on January 22, 2016, 02:32:58 PM
You didn't notice two absentees then?
1571 & 1591 are now at Miller Street being prepared for resale
Nope, can only see the ones nearest the fence & haven't been down there for a while
Quote from: Winston on January 22, 2016, 02:37:33 PM
Nope, can only see the ones nearest the fence & haven't been down there for a while
1571 & 1591 were in the garage yard until yesterday, not the scrap lines
Quote from: Tony on January 22, 2016, 02:40:50 PM
1571 & 1591 were in the garage yard until yesterday, not the scrap lines
Doesn't make any difference, haven't been down lately to know what was/wasn't parked anywhere.
There were two NXWM liveried Mercs parked in the garage yard today in the farside lane nearest the portacabins
Quote from: Winston on January 22, 2016, 02:44:05 PM
Doesn't make any difference, haven't been down lately to know what was/wasn't parked anywhere.
There were two NXWM liveried Mercs parked in the garage yard today in the farside lane nearest the portacabins
I think 1585, withdrawn last month from WB may be one
Quote from: Tony on January 22, 2016, 03:27:31 PM
I think 1585, withdrawn last month from WB may be one
Not sure, my eye sight isn't that good + it was raining. I do remember the front panel between the headlights/where the Merc badge is located was missing off the one if that helps
Quote from: Tony on January 22, 2016, 02:32:58 PM
You didn't notice two absentees then?
1571 & 1591 are now at Miller Street being prepared for resale
resale for further service else where or preservation
Quote from: Tony on January 22, 2016, 02:32:58 PM
You didn't notice two absentees then?
1571 & 1591 are now at Miller Street being prepared for resale
Surprised with this revelation... As seen in this image, 1591 had looked rusty when in Coventry, So is it really in good enough condition for resale?
https://www.facebook.com/369276339910972/photos/a.439617916210147.1073742005.369276339910972/465695096935762/?type=3&theater
Quote from: Adam 404 on January 22, 2016, 07:02:17 PM
Surprised with this revelation... As seen in this image, 1591 had looked rusty when in Coventry, So is it really in good enough condition for resale?
https://www.facebook.com/369276339910972/photos/a.439617916210147.1073742005.369276339910972/465695096935762/?type=3&theater
surface rust is neither here nor there
have nx sold any more spectras? wonder if anyone would be interested in these mercs in the uk, or whether they would appeal to others overseas
1570 has moved from its resting place at the front of CV garage.
Quote from: mranon on January 22, 2016, 07:22:08 PM
have nx sold any more spectras? wonder if anyone would be interested in these mercs in the uk, or whether they would appeal to others overseas
I'm a little curious re. 4009 - I have that one as still owned by NX but obviously withdrawn.
Quote from: paulb1973 on January 25, 2016, 03:15:24 PM
I'm a little curious re. 4009 - I have that one as still owned by NX but obviously withdrawn.
4009 has gone to West Midlands Fire service as a non-runner
Quote from: Tony on January 25, 2016, 03:16:23 PM
4009 has gone to West Midlands Fire service as a non-runner
I sussed that one had gone after mention of it going in another thread. I have Spectra's left as being: 4005/4006/4007/4010/4013/4017/4019/4022.
MR wigley took a B10L this afternoon don't know which one I passed it at rh hospital on its one way tow
Quote from: paulb1973 on January 25, 2016, 03:28:16 PM
I sussed that one had gone after mention of it going in another thread. I have Spectra's left as being: 4005/4006/4007/4010/4013/4017/4019/4022.
4017 has gone to Ensigns with 4020/1
Thought I,d ask this question here
Tony when a bus arrives at Miller st are they evaluated, what goes into the considerations of scrapping a bus or keeping it for reserve fleet or resale. I asume this year a lot of plaxton b7tl will be coming through Miller st .
Quote from: 2900 on February 09, 2016, 11:18:29 AM
Thought I,d ask this question here
Tony when a bus arrives at Miller st are they evaluated, what goes into the considerations of scrapping a bus or keeping it for reserve fleet or resale. I asume this year a lot of plaxton b7tl will be coming through Miller st .
Buses tend to come to Miller Street if there is a need for any assessment or work including stripping of useful components from Scrappers
I saw a t or v plated merc being dragged by one of Trevor Wigleys bright red Volvo recovery truck on the Wolverhampton rd by Newbury lane heading towards m5 junction 2 , business must be good it looked brand new. I assume it left from the farm. Must be real good money in scrapping these mercs to send a truck all this way to take one bus back.
Quote from: 2900 on February 18, 2016, 06:35:06 PM
I saw a t or v plated merc being dragged by one of Trevor Wigleys bright red Volvo recovery truck on the Wolverhampton rd by Newbury lane heading towards m5 junction 2 , business must be good it looked brand new. I assume it left from the farm. Must be real good money in scrapping these mercs to send a truck all this way to take one bus back.
Hardly any money in Mercs, they are nearly all steel which has a very low scrap price. The scrappies are more interested in Aluminium
Will any of these see any further service or are they in too bad a condition? I heard that 6 of them were on their way to Ireland and it looked like some were being prepared for sale and further service but that looks to have fallen through.
Quote from: 2900 on February 18, 2016, 06:35:06 PM
I saw a t or v plated merc being dragged by one of Trevor Wigleys bright red Volvo recovery truck on the Wolverhampton rd by Newbury lane heading towards m5 junction 2 , business must be good it looked brand new. I assume it left from the farm. Must be real good money in scrapping these mercs to send a truck all this way to take one bus back.
Karl mentioned in another thread that 1668 had been collected, maybe it was that one??
1420 has been removed from Pensnett's withdrawn fleet, there's a gap where it was parked along the back fence
Quote from: Winston on February 19, 2016, 12:28:38 PM
1420 has been removed from Pensnett's withdrawn fleet, there's a gap where it was parked along the back fence
PVS should be clearing some of the scrap out of Wolverhampton this month
Quote from: Tony on February 19, 2016, 12:32:40 PM
PVS should be clearing some of the scrap out of Wolverhampton this month
Perhaps they'll take some of the withdrawn vehicles too! ;)
Quote from: Stevo on February 19, 2016, 07:13:56 PM
Perhaps they'll take some of the withdrawn vehicles too! ;)
Probably 4593.
Quote from: Ronnoc on February 19, 2016, 07:16:17 PM
Probably 4593.
Would 4593 be suitable to be moved, or does it need cutting up on site?
Quote from: Tony on February 19, 2016, 12:32:40 PM
PVS should be clearing some of the scrap out of Wolverhampton this month
I have 244/582/601/633/634/662/4005/4006/4010/4013/4022 as still being at Wolverhampton withdrawn - have some of those moved on elsewhere?
4063 didn't last long at Walsall and has become the second withdrawal of 2016
Why
No longer fit for service anymore is an obvious reason. How is another question
Quote from: Tony on April 07, 2016, 07:21:19 PM
4063 didn't last long at Walsall and has become the second withdrawal of 2016
Will another vehicle get transferred into Walsall or can they manage without a replacement?
Any idea when the Excells will go?
and btw, just to save a post, 681 have been stated as sold to PVS on October changes and yet it is still on the fleetlist
I think after Tony's recent updates - only one Optare Spectre is still left (4010) unless that one has gone too? And only 2 Volvo B6's left; 600/649 I believe. It seems there are a few other types hanging on [albeit withdrawn] 1504/7 at PE/MS, 3612, 7086 & 9955 at MS plus fire damaged 4355 at MS and accident-damaged 4520 at YW I assume too.
Quote from: paulb1973 on April 09, 2016, 01:01:41 PM
I think after Tony's recent updates - only one Optare Spectre is still left (4010) unless that one has gone too? And only 2 Volvo B6's left; 600/649 I believe. It seems there are a few other types hanging on [albeit withdrawn] 1504/7 at PE/MS, 3612, 7086 & 9955 at MS plus fire damaged 4355 at MS and accident-damaged 4520 at YW I assume too.
649 is now showing as untaxed ie not SORN on gov.uk so might have gone now?
Quote from: uniquicity on April 09, 2016, 01:04:34 PM
649 is now showing as untaxed ie not SORN on gov.uk so might have gone now?
No, still at pensnett
4072 has run its last journey, now withdrawn at Walsall
1573 from Pensnett's reserve fleet looked to have had slave tyres fitted yesterday ready for it's one way trip north, there were also two buses missing next to it (can't remember what Mercs were parked there)
Quote from: Winston on April 29, 2016, 06:22:34 PM
1573 from Pensnett's reserve fleet looked to have had slave tyres fitted yesterday ready for it's one way trip north, there were also two buses missing next to it (can't remember what Mercs were parked there)
They are not all 'heading North' some are only going as far as Willenhall Commercials
Quote from: Tony on April 29, 2016, 06:30:54 PM
They are not all 'heading North' some are only going as far as Willenhall Commercials
Willenhall is still 'North' of Pensnett 😋
Quote from: Winston on April 29, 2016, 06:22:34 PM
1573 from Pensnett's reserve fleet looked to have had slave tyres fitted yesterday ready for it's one way trip north, there were also two buses missing next to it (can't remember what Mercs were parked there)
1707 was one which disappeared.
Quote from: Tony on April 29, 2016, 06:05:30 PM
4072 has run its last journey, now withdrawn at Walsall
new to Hockley garage back in early 1999 for the 87s and in the evenings the 120 service when the routes inter worked, loved driving the plackys on the 120 , going up city rd tividale was a challenge for them, on the flip side you had mercs coming off the 120 at Dudley then change into the 87 seems rather wacky now,it saved a bus back then , my how it's all changed since then. In my time the lynxes, metrobuses, mercs, now the plackys have disappeared off those routes.
My list of bus types I,ve driven on the 87/120 evening boards
Leyland Lynx,MCW metrobus mk1/2/3 Mercedes 0405n mk2/3 plaxton,Alexander,wrightbus b7tl, wrightbus b6le, alx100 merc minibus very amusing on the 87 that is.
Quote from: filbus1 on April 30, 2016, 07:37:37 AM
1707 was one which disappeared.
1707 went in to preservation some time ago. 1642 might have been one of the them & possibly another 170* example
1743 passed me on Penn Rd this morning (going towards Wolverhampton) before turning up Goldthorn Hill. It had 1998 rolled up on the rear blinds. Any ideas where it was heading?
Proabably Willenhall Commercials
Shame that - ex-demonstrator - would've been nice had she been saved.
Ho hum...
Quote from: Tony on May 06, 2016, 02:03:34 PM
Proabably Willenhall Commercials
That was, I think, the last 'UVG' bodied Mercedes O405N in the fleet.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on May 06, 2016, 02:47:55 PM
Shame that - ex-demonstrator - would've been nice had she been saved.
Ho hum...
Well if someone makes Willenhall Commercials an offer......
They sold a couple of Metrobuses on for preservation and the fact this was driven to their yard shows it is a runner
4107 now at Miller St, previously withdrawn at YW
Quote from: Tony on May 06, 2016, 03:00:55 PM
Well if someone makes Willenhall Commercials an offer......
They sold a couple of Metrobuses on for preservation and the fact this was driven to their yard shows it is a runner
Sadly I don't have the space or time to dedicate.
However, I am in the market for a registration plate swap - this time onto a V-reg Rover Vitesse that I'm about to MOT.
I would love to make that work this time - preferably off a late fleet number Benz....
Just passed a O405N on tow on the Expressway heading towards the M6. Still in its original livery
The following vehicles left NXWM in April.
1401 - Black Country Preservation Group
1582; 1616 to Willenhall Commercials
1570; 1571; 1572; 1579; 1594; 1607; 1659; 1678; 1695; 1703 to PVS
4057 plaxton president B7TL
Looks like it has been withdrawn now parked facing admin block with no ticket machine, red sticker on windscreen , wheels chocked. Body work does look well tired.
Quote from: 2900 on May 31, 2016, 01:46:01 PM
4057 plaxton president B7TL
Looks like it has been withdrawn now parked facing admin block with no ticket machine, red sticker on windscreen , wheels chocked. Body work does look well tired.
Yes, now withdrawn, 4083 unlikely to run again as well
Dunno where best to post but the former 4018 has been in Sheffield recently in use as a Further Education Information Centre.
A lot of Mercedes have been sold in the last couple of months (32) - anyone have any idea how many withdrawn ones are left?
Quote from: don on June 07, 2016, 02:10:15 PM
A lot of Mercedes have been sold in the last couple of months (32) - anyone have any idea how many withdrawn ones are left?
I will update the fleetlist on the main site to list what is still owned tonight or tomorrow
Thanks Tony - was just curious.
Quote from: don on June 07, 2016, 02:10:15 PM
A lot of Mercedes have been sold in the last couple of months (32) - anyone have any idea how many withdrawn ones are left?
I think I am up to date now
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/1317-1514.html
Quote from: Tony on June 07, 2016, 06:41:30 PM
I think I am up to date now
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/1317-1514.html
Tony, can you clarify the whereabouts of 1441 - I have this one as sold to PVS for scrap 10/15. 1476 fell by the wayside in 11/15 although I had it as still remaining with NXWM.
Additionally on my own notes, I had 1667 as sold for scrap 12/15 - but it seems it is still with the company?
600 has been taken away by PVS in the last couple of days. This was the last of 186 B6s operated to leave the company which is now completely B6 free.
Just 3 of the 186 operated survive, preserve 598; 620 & 669 plus possible a couple of the P-AAPs that passed through without running
Quote from: Tony on June 09, 2016, 12:23:00 PM
600 has been taken away by PVS in the last couple of days. This was the last of 186 B6s operated to leave the company which is now completely B6 free.
Just 3 of the 186 operated survive, preserve 598; 620 & 669 plus possible a couple of the P-AAPs that passed through without running
Even that 244 one that was refurbished, scrapped too?
Quote from: Westy on June 09, 2016, 01:02:03 PM
Even that 244 one that was refurbished, scrapped too?
Yeah, I thought they were going to store it longer
Quote from: Westy on June 09, 2016, 01:02:03 PM
Even that 244 one that was refurbished, scrapped too?
Sold 3/16 to PVS according to the main site
Quote from: Westy on June 09, 2016, 01:02:03 PM
Even that 244 one that was refurbished, scrapped too?
It was stored for nearly a year, that should have given anyone that wanted to buy it a chance
Load more buses missing top yard pensnett only one excel left
Also the two mercs bottom yard not there any more
Quote from: karl724223 on June 09, 2016, 08:46:56 PM
Load more buses missing top yard pensnett only one excel left
Also the two mercs bottom yard not there any more
another 10 Mercs have been sold to Willenhall Commercials this week including some of the engineless hulks in the far corner, so those should start going soon as well
Quote from: Tony on June 09, 2016, 08:54:41 PM
another 10 Mercs have been sold to Willenhall Commercials this week including some of the engineless hulks in the far corner, so those should start going soon as well
I assume PN reserve fleet yard will be pretty empty by the time the above have gone
Will the recent President withdrawals at WA & WB, I make the active President fleet at NXWM at just 60.
4070 is another President that won't be seen in service again
Quote from: Tony on June 13, 2016, 07:33:42 PM
4070 is another President that won't be seen in service again
Is that MS Bound now
Quote from: Tony on June 13, 2016, 07:33:42 PM
4070 is another President that won't be seen in service again
Are we likely to see withdrawn deckers @ PN now the car park is becoming emptier
@Tony
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on June 13, 2016, 08:14:15 PM
Are we likely to see withdrawn deckers @ PM now the car park is becoming emptier @Tony
No decision yet, all Presidents withdrawn this year are still parked at their final garage
Shame to see the presidents getting withdrawn, some are in decent condition given their age
Quote from: Busman Jamie on June 14, 2016, 08:36:15 AM
Shame to see the presidents getting withdrawn, some are in decent condition given their age
I'm on 4068 right now on the 40 to Wolverhampton and I've got to say that these are good for their age! Nice and smooth unlike some of the buses nowadays.
Perhaps some of the time-expired Presidents should replace the Metrobuses in the training fleet? They maybe deemed unsuitable for service work, though surely practical enough for use in training?
Quote from: Wumpty on June 14, 2016, 09:39:36 PM
Perhaps some of the time-expired Presidents should replace the Metrobuses in the training fleet? They maybe deemed unsuitable for service work, though surely practical enough for use in training?
I agree here, am somewhat surprised their isn't a Plaxton in the training fleet. I would have thought they'd allow future drivers to become more accustomed to the current crop of vehicles than an older vehicle type like a Metrobus. I.e being a trained on a Plaxton should allow you to become trained to driving a Gemini (Im thinking)
Alternatively, send them up to Dundee, after all they still move :)
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on June 14, 2016, 10:00:19 PM
I agree here, am somewhat surprised their isn't a Plaxton in the training fleet. I would have thought they'd allow future drivers to become more accustomed to the current crop of vehicles than an older vehicle type like a Metrobus. I.e being a trained on a Plaxton should allow you to become trained to driving a Gemini (Im thinking)
Isn't 4520 being converted into a trainer?
4057 plaxton b7tl Volvo
Withdrawn at west brom, now being canabalized for parts , drivers seat is now fitted to an Alexander b7tl a bit annoying as these seats only go up or down can't be tilted.
Parts removed from the mechanism that operates the front saloon doors.
Around 1600 hrs I saw one Trevor Wigleys red trucks dragging what appeared to be a B10L in TWM colours ,I only saw the rear of it before it disappeared up m5 junction 2 slip road heading north.
Pensnett top yard looking like a ghost town at the moment
Quote from: karl724223 on June 22, 2016, 07:45:51 PM
Pensnett top yard looking like a ghost town at the moment
Bloody 'ell they've took everythin' lol.
And with Pensnett getting four new Streetdecks and presumably Platinums for the X10, does this spell the end for some early Tridents including Trident4194?!
Quote from: don on June 22, 2016, 11:54:09 PM
And with Pensnett getting four new Streetdecks and presumably Platinums for the X10, does this spell the end for some early Tridents including Trident4194?!
Possibly, seeing as deckers below 4425 won't be repaint, it gives you an idea which buses have a limited future. As to which bus goes when is anybodys guess.
I feel as though Presidents will be withdrawn on mass before either of the early ALX400 bodied buses.
4083 branded 5, this been parked outside admin block for some time now, missing it's battery cover ,and the handle from the rear emergency door, various internal light cover taken down , no ticket machine , I assume it suffered a mechanical issue of some sort , being refurbed less than 4 years still very tidy looking.
4063 & 4068 now parked up out of use at Walsall with the arriva of 4190 & 4218
Quote from: Tony on July 01, 2016, 07:10:03 PM
4063 & 4068 now parked up out of use at Walsall with the arriva of 4190 & 4218
Arriva 4190 and 4128 hey! That IS newsworthy!!! 8)
Quote from: Tony on July 01, 2016, 07:10:03 PM
4063 & 4068 now parked up out of use at Walsall with the arriva of 4190 & 4218
4063 was withdrawn in April, is this supposed to be 4065?
Quote from: uniquicity on July 04, 2016, 10:18:22 PM
4063 was withdrawn in April, is this supposed to be 4065?
Yes
1585 / 1653 & 1667 seem to be either recent arrivals to PN reserve fleet or are now visible following the majority of the yard being cleared, they are parked farside rears against the bank
Quote from: Winston on July 08, 2016, 01:00:16 PM
1585 / 1653 & 1667 seem to be either recent arrivals to PN reserve fleet or are now visible following the majority of the yard being cleared, they are parked farside rears against the bank
always been there, just getting ready for final journey
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2016, 01:03:42 PM
always been there, just getting ready for final journey
Fair enough, must have been hidden out of site from the perimeter fences
Hopefully almost everything there will be gone this month
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2016, 01:09:29 PM
Hopefully almost everything there will be gone this month
@Tony Are there any plans to use the car park for any further sets of withdrawn vehicles?
Maybe the presidents as they are withdrawn possibly
@Stuharris 6360 ?
Quote from: Chris on July 08, 2016, 01:40:10 PM
Maybe the presidents as they are withdrawn possibly @Stuharris 6360 ?
Indeed
@Chris , although PN has never been used for deckers before?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 08, 2016, 01:41:25 PM
Indeed @Chris , although PN has never been used for deckers before?
It shouldn't be too much of a problem as deckers are shorter than a full length single deck bus.
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on July 08, 2016, 01:11:36 PM
Are there any plans to use the car park for any further sets of withdrawn vehicles?
Perhaps they could store articulate buses down there?
Has Lea Hall been sold off ?
If it hasn't, why isn't that used for storage of withdrawn buses.
Quote from: Sayeed on July 08, 2016, 05:20:03 PM
Perhaps they could store articulate buses down there?
What about buses that aren't so good with words? ;)
Quote from: Mike K on July 08, 2016, 06:07:32 PM
What about buses that aren't so good with words? ;)
Personally I think the bendy or
articulated buses ;D ;) could be re-stored there but are they not in Miller Street after being taken from Lea Hall originally so what would be the point of moving them unnecessarily as most of them would not have a VI class or tax
@Mike K
There's around 10 -11 Scania bendy buses at Miller street
Quote from: Mike K on July 08, 2016, 06:07:32 PM
What about buses that aren't so good with words? ;)
The legend! Fantastic riposte sir!
I note (in Tony's latest updates) that withdrawn 4107 has been sold to PVS for scrap. I guess this counts as the first non-accident related President withdrawal & scrapping.
Quote from: paulb1973 on April 09, 2016, 01:01:41 PM
I think after Tony's recent updates - only one Optare Spectre is still left (4010) unless that one has gone too? And only 2 Volvo B6's left; 600/649 I believe. It seems there are a few other types hanging on [albeit withdrawn] 1504/7 at PE/MS, 3612, 7086 & 9955 at MS plus fire damaged 4355 at MS and accident-damaged 4520 at YW I assume too.
The last Spectra, 4010, left on Monday, donated to Gilberstone Primary School, Birmingham
Quote from: Tony on September 07, 2016, 07:32:28 PM
The last Spectra, 4010, left on Monday, donated to Gilberstone Primary School, Birmingham
When you say they've been donated, what purpose do they serve within the school? Are they used as a classroom or have they basically been turned into monkey bars? I'm referring to both the Merc and the Spectra
Quote from: MW on September 07, 2016, 08:16:26 PM
When you say they've been donated, what purpose do they serve within the school? Are they used as a classroom or have they basically been turned into monkey bars? I'm referring to both the Merc and the Spectra
The Spectra is going to be the school library I believe
Tony, has ex-Trainer 9955 gone too? Someone on Facebook stated it had gone to PVS for scrap.
Has anyone a list of Mercs and B10L (1401-1480) left. There can't be too much I would guess.
Quote from: don on September 07, 2016, 11:20:17 PM
Has anyone a list of Mercs and B10L (1401-1480) left. There can't be too much I would guess.
I believe one Mercedes Benz rigid remains along with a couple,maybe more,of the Volvo B10L's. Tony can advise of exactly how many Volvos remain.
Quote from: markcf83 on September 08, 2016, 12:01:40 AM
I believe one Mercedes Benz rigid remains along with a couple,maybe more,of the Volvo B10L's. Tony can advise of exactly how many Volvos remain.
@markcf83 - See Karl's post in Pensnett thread from tonight:
Quote from: karl724223 on September 07, 2016, 10:32:05 PM
Pensnett top yard now down to 9 buses
2 deckers
5 mercs
1 optare excel
1 B10L
Quote from: don on September 07, 2016, 11:20:17 PM
Has anyone a list of Mercs and B10L (1401-1480) left. There can't be too much I would guess.
From my own notes I have the following vehicles as withdrawn/in reserve:
687(PE) [1]
1421(MS)/1427(PE)/1436(WA?)/1447(MS)/1449(MS)/1461(MS)/1475(WA?)/1480(MS) [8]
1507(MS) [1]
1546(PE)/1549(PE)/1550(PE)/1573(PE)/1585(PE)/1589(PE)/1605(PE)/1636(PE)/1639(PE)/1646(PE?)/1647(PE)/1653(PE)/1667(PE)/1696(PE) [14]
4031(MS)/4032(WA)/4033(WA?)/4035(WA)/4057(PE)/4063(MS)/4065(WA)/4068(WA)/4070(MS)/4072(WA)/4079(MS)/4083(PE)/4098(MS) [13]
4520(YW) [1]
6022(MS)/6023(MS)/6024(MS)/6025(MS)/6026(MS)/6027(MS)/6028(MS)/6029(MS)/6030(MS)/6031(MS)/6032(MS) [11]
9955(MS) [1] *reported sold to PVS for scrap 8/16
I might be being a bit optimistic with those Mercedes O405N's - sounds like quite a few more have gone. That's a round 50 buses, but I'd imagine its below that.
Quote from: paulb1973 on September 08, 2016, 02:37:31 PM
From my own notes I have the following vehicles as withdrawn/in reserve:
687(PE) [1]
1421(MS)/1427(PE)/1436(WA?)/1447(MS)/1449(MS)/1461(MS)/1475(WA?)/1480(MS) [8]
1507(MS) [1]
1546(PE)/1549(PE)/1550(PE)/1573(PE)/1585(PE)/1589(PE)/1605(PE)/1636(PE)/1639(PE)/1646(PE?)/1647(PE)/1653(PE)/1667(PE)/1696(PE) [14]
4031(MS)/4032(WA)/4033(WA?)/4035(WA)/4057(PE)/4063(MS)/4065(WA)/4068(WA)/4070(MS)/4072(WA)/4079(MS)/4083(PE)/4098(MS) [13]
4520(YW) [1]
6022(MS)/6023(MS)/6024(MS)/6025(MS)/6026(MS)/6027(MS)/6028(MS)/6029(MS)/6030(MS)/6031(MS)/6032(MS) [11]
9955(MS) [1] *reported sold to PVS for scrap 8/16
I might be being a bit optimistic with those Mercedes O405N's - sounds like quite a few more have gone. That's a round 50 buses, but I'd imagine its below that.
Yes, according to the recent list posted there are only 5 Mercs at Pensnett - however I had thought there were still some left at MS (though I may be wrong!) there are five withdrawn Plaxtons in Scotland presumably still at Dundee.
Quote from: don on September 08, 2016, 05:38:40 PM
Yes, according to the recent list posted there are only 5 Mercs at Pensnett - however I had thought there were still some left at MS (though I may be wrong!) there are five withdrawn Plaxtons in Scotland presumably still at Dundee.
I'm assuming nine more O405N's have gone to their maker, unless they've been moved. 4700-5/7 are technically in reserve so could have been added to that list. In Dundee I only have 4110/16 as out of use.
Quote from: paulb1973 on September 08, 2016, 06:56:03 PM
I'm assuming nine more O405N's have gone to their maker, unless they've been moved. 4700-5/7 are technically in reserve so could have been added to that list. In Dundee I only have 4110/16 as out of use.
4053/6 & 4115 are also withdrawn at Dundee
Quote from: Winston on September 08, 2016, 07:04:24 PM
4053/6 & 4115 are also withdrawn at Dundee
I believe they have already left as well
Quote from: paulb1973 on September 08, 2016, 06:56:03 PM
I'm assuming nine more O405N's have gone to their maker, unless they've been moved. 4700-5/7 are technically in reserve so could have been added to that list. In Dundee I only have 4110/16 as out of use.
@paulb1973 - the 5 Mercs left at PN are confirmed as 1550, 1573, 1589, 1647 & 1653. The lone B10L is 1427.
Don't if this has been mentioned, 4031 seems to have been withdrawn at West Bromwich it's currently parked in front of admin block , should call it the knackered bay , with the sticker of doom plastered on its windscreen,
Quote from: Winston on September 09, 2016, 09:32:03 AM
@paulb1973 - the 5 Mercs left at PN are confirmed as 1550, 1573, 1589, 1647 & 1653. The lone B10L is 1427.
Thanks for that, its a fair bet that all the other O405N's in my list have gone for scrap.
Re. 4031 - I have that as withdrawn, so it must have been mentioned on here previously or I saw a picture of it at Miller St.
Accident damaged 4520 has been off the road a long time, it must be quite a job to repair it!
Quote from: Winston on September 09, 2016, 09:32:03 AM
@paulb1973 - the 5 Mercs left at PN are confirmed as 1550, 1573, 1589, 1647 & 1653. The lone B10L is 1427.
and 687
Quote from: karl724223 on September 09, 2016, 03:27:57 PM
and 687
The two double deckers there must be 4057/83. I hadn't noticed on Tony's updates, but President 4098 went [with 4077] to PVS for scrap in August.
Quote from: paulb1973 on September 11, 2016, 10:47:36 AM
The two double deckers there must be 4057/83. I hadn't noticed on Tony's updates, but President 4098 went [with 4077] to PVS for scrap in August.
Yes they are, didn't mention 687 as it's the only one left on the books
Quote from: paulb1973 on September 09, 2016, 02:11:50 PM
Thanks for that, its a fair bet that all the other O405N's in my list have gone for scrap.
Re. 4031 - I have that as withdrawn, so it must have been mentioned on here previously or I saw a picture of it at Miller St.
Accident damaged 4520 has been off the road a long time, it must be quite a job to repair it!
4031 is at West Bromwich, currently dead, but not yet withdrawn
Only 2 mercs an excel and a B10 left at Pensnett now
Quote from: pndriver on September 12, 2016, 07:58:38 PM
Only 2 mercs an excel and a B10 left at Pensnett now
And those two Mercs are 1589 & 1647
Quote from: Winston on September 15, 2016, 11:49:00 AM
And those two Mercs are 1589 & 1647
4057 & 4083 have also been sold to Willenhall Commercials
Quote from: Tony on September 15, 2016, 01:53:42 PM
4053 & 4087 have also been sold to Willenhall Commercials
4087 or 4083? (and 4053 or 4057?)
Quote from: Tony on September 15, 2016, 01:53:42 PM
4057 & 4083 have also been sold to Willenhall Commercials
wasting no time in moving the presidents on, 4057 ,4083 have they been sold for scrap or further use , don't know much about willenhall commercials are they chop shop ,dealers etc
Quote from: 2900 on September 16, 2016, 11:19:19 AM
wasting no time in moving the presidents on, 4057 ,4083 have they been sold for scrap or further use , don't know much about willenhall commercials are they chop shop ,dealers etc
Willenhall Commercials do occasionally sell vehicles on, but these two are for the chop.
4107 also left in July, but not recorded who to, once I delete this from the fleetlist tonight it will be accurate as at today
Do these bus breakers submit offers for the breakers, I would have thought the Yorkshire bus wrecking crew Trevor/PVS would have had these , they,ve had the lions share over the years.
Quote from: 2900 on September 16, 2016, 11:19:19 AM
wasting no time in moving the presidents on, 4057 ,4083 have they been sold for scrap or further use , don't know much about willenhall commercials are they chop shop ,dealers etc
In Dundee 4116 has been withdrawn ,but looks like its being sold on .
@Tony The fleetchanges on the main site says that 1677 was scrapped in May 2016 and again in August 2016
Quote from: John on October 02, 2016, 10:20:11 AM
@Tony
The fleetchanges on the main site says that 1677 was scrapped in May 2016 and again in August 2016
On the main picture of 1677, Tony has it as sold on 8/16, so I've gone with that.
On a similar theme, I had withdrawn 1646 on my notes lingering around for ages - but it seems it was sold for scrap on 7/15, does anyone know who to?
1578 is another that vanished unrecorded, it and 1646 are the only Mercs I don't have a disposal for. At the time they both went all others were heading to PVS so wonder if its safe to assume these two went the same way??
Speaking to a YW Driver, 4041 which was involved in a collision in Solihull roughly a week ago, he mentioned its been "decommisioned". He stated parts have been taken off.
YW's Plaxton population is almost non existent !
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 07, 2016, 03:07:30 PM
Speaking to a YW Driver, 4041 which was involved in a collision in Solihull roughly a week ago, he mentioned its been "decommisioned". He stated parts have been taken off.
YW's Plaxton population is almost non existent !
Just 4089, 4090, 4092 and 4106 left at YW now. 4089 is currently on loan to AG, its on the 11A today.
@GeminiFan1991
Quote from: 2206 on October 07, 2016, 04:23:18 PM
Just 4089, 4090, 4092 and 4106 left at YW now. 4089 is currently on loan to AG, its on the 11A today. @GeminiFan1991
I can't see 4089 returning to YW somehow. And I doubt the other 3 will last long...
4031 & 4066 are latest inmates at Pensnett.
687, 1427, 1589 & 1647 are still resident
Quote from: Winston on October 14, 2016, 10:14:31 AM
4031 & 4066 are latest inmates at Pensnett.
687, 1427, 1589 & 1647 are still resident
687 is being held for possible spares for the preserved one at Aldridge
1427 is being held for possible driver training use.
I believe preservationists have shown interest in 1589/1647 whether that comes to anything is currently unknown
Just been told 4105 has been withdrawn.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 17, 2016, 03:35:15 PM
Just been told 4105 has been withdrawn.
Does that leave loner 4033 at Walsall?
Quote from: The Real 4778 on October 17, 2016, 05:32:33 PM
Does that leave loner 4033 at Walsall?
4033 was withdrawn in August.
Walsall no longer have any Presidents.
Quote from: 2206 on October 17, 2016, 05:33:19 PM
4033 was withdrawn in August.
Walsall no longer have any Presidents.
4024 was still in use today
4710 has now left West Bromwich. Just passed me near the Broadway on Birmingham Road heading to Walsall.
4024 now withdrawn.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on October 24, 2016, 08:16:18 AM
4024 now withdrawn.
Replacement should arrive soon which may surprise
Quote from: Tony on October 24, 2016, 08:23:01 AM
Replacement should arrive soon which may surprise
Is it a type 'new' to Walsall?
Quote from: Tony on October 24, 2016, 08:23:01 AM
Replacement should arrive soon which may surprise
wonder if the Street deckers r moving to Walsall as 1 of the posts said.about they may be moving
Quote from: Tony on October 24, 2016, 08:23:01 AM
Replacement should arrive soon which may surprise
I've heard 4697 may be leaving Perry Barr
Quote from: John on October 24, 2016, 02:13:01 PM
I've heard 4697 may be leaving Perry Barr
To be fair either option would be intresting!
Quote from: John on October 24, 2016, 02:13:01 PM
I've heard 4697 may be leaving Perry Barr
Presumably the other 5 would also leave then
please no, they're the only interesting buses we have
Maybe a b7 single decker from pn
Tony's post seems to suggest WA will be getting another bus type although WA are already spoilt for choice when it comes bus types !
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 24, 2016, 07:24:22 PM
Tony's post seems to suggest WA will be getting another bus type although WA are already spoilt for choice when it comes bus types !
My theory is that WA will get the Streetdecks when PN get the Platinums from BC!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on October 24, 2016, 07:39:44 PM
My theory is that WA will get the Streetdecks when PN get the Platinums from BC!
wrong ha ha
Apart of me wouldn't be surprised if that happened as I was wondered what would leave PN when their Platinums arrived.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on October 24, 2016, 07:49:51 PM
Apart of me wouldn't be surprised if that happened as I was wondered what would leave PN when their Platinums arrived.
Tridents???
Quote from: Tony on October 24, 2016, 08:23:01 AM
Replacement should arrive soon which may surprise
Did 4024 get replaced yesterday in the end. If so what was it?
Quote from: BN on October 25, 2016, 05:15:05 PM
Did 4024 get replaced yesterday in the end. If so what was it?
Not yet
Quote from: BN on October 25, 2016, 05:15:05 PM
Did 4024 get replaced yesterday in the end. If so what was it?
I'm just heading down to BC to collect 2118 to take to Walsall
4041 is now at Miller Street, and already being stripped for spares
Saw 4024 going up A4148 Broadway North earlier.
Plackys dropping like flies at west brom rear car park currently parked up 4047 branded 5 the other 4049 parked inside by admin,4051, 4102
I wander what will be used on west broms 5 service as I understand it there's some sort of quality partnership with centro tfwm what ever they are called this week.
How many presidents left? Any idea on withdrawal date?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 07, 2016, 06:54:29 PM
How many presidents left? Any idea on withdrawal date?
Too Many.....This year
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2016, 06:57:11 PM
Too Many.....This year
Thanks for the quick response
4085; 4087; 4104 & 4114 will all die this week
I started a new job in Sutton Coldfield in March 2000 just as the 102/4/5 were renumbered and the Prseidents were entering service. Now they are all dying. Time sure has gone quickly!
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2016, 07:52:06 PM
4085; 4087; 4104 & 4114 will all die this week
Do you know when 4090/4092 will die
@Tony ? They seem to just keep on hanging on at YW despite the rest of YWs being transferred or withdrawn
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on November 07, 2016, 08:04:37 PM
Do you know when 4090/4092 will die @Tony ? They seem to just keep on hanging on at YW despite the rest of YWs being transferred or withdrawn
One is hanging on until the last replacement arrives
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2016, 08:06:25 PM
One is hanging on until the last replacement arrives
Ok thanks
@Tony
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2016, 07:52:06 PM
4085; 4087; 4104 & 4114 will all die this week
Damn was hoping to get 4114 before withdrawal. There's not that many left?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 07, 2016, 08:20:09 PM
Damn was hoping to get 4114 before withdrawal. There's not that many left?
You've had a year's warning they are all going, don't get crying now because I have only given 5 days notice
I know we've been given plenty of notice of the type's demise, but it still feels unbelievable that the end is nigh.
Mates have referred to 4114 for over a decade as my 'machine,' as it was the first bus I saw every day for seemingly weeks on end back in 2001 or so. I have always had a liking for the ex Sutton batch, and 4114 has long been my fave bus on the fleet.
Taking into account the forthcoming withdrawal of the four Plaxton Presidents Tony listed - these should be left?
AG: 4023/29/34/37-40/58-62/64/67/69/71/78/80/82/91/96/100 (total 22)
WB: 4027/44/47-49/51-52/54-55/81/84/86/93-95/97/99/101-2/9 (total 20)
YW: 4090/92 (total 2)
Dundee: 4025-26/28/36/42-43/45/74/76/112/117-124 (total 18)
Withdrawn at Dundee: 4111/113/116 (total 3)
Withdrawn/Reserve: 4024(MS)/4031(PN)/4032(WA)/4033(MS)/4035(MS)/4041(MS)/4063(MS)/4065(WA)/4066(PN)/4068(WA)/4070(MS)/4072(MS)/4073(PN)/4079(MS)/4085(??)/4087(??)/4089(??)/4104(??)/4105(WA)/4106(??)/4114(??) (total 21)
That list is most helpful as far as I'm concerned,given I'm in the process of rewriting my NXWM fleetlist at the moment.
@paulb1973 There's also
@2900 post to take in to account re: Presidents remaining at WB
Quote from: 2900 on November 07, 2016, 02:00:10 PM
Plackys dropping like flies at west brom rear car park currently parked up 4047 branded 5 the other 4049 parked inside by admin,4051, 4102
I wander what will be used on west broms 5 service as I understand it there's some sort of quality partnership with centro tfwm what ever they are called this week.
Quote from: Winston on November 08, 2016, 05:24:56 PM
@paulb1973
There's also @2900 post to take in to account re: Presidents remaining at WB
Yes, I was just waiting for Tony's confirmation on that, but it looks like a few more WB ones have been laid up. So probably less than 20 there. I think that totals 65 in the West Midlands and 21 in Dundee [not totally sure if 4111/3/6 are withdrawn and are still around]. Potentially 86 still in ownership out of a total of 102 delivered (16-17 years ago) which ain't bad.
According to a YW driver I know, 4090 is now withdrawn meaning YW now have 0 Presidents :'(
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on November 11, 2016, 06:12:30 PM
According to a YW driver I know, 4090 is now withdrawn meaning YW now have 0 Presidents :'(
They were due a replacement, not sure if it's arrived though
Quote from: filbus1 on November 11, 2016, 06:54:52 PM
They were due a replacement, not sure if it's arrived though
Yes Tony said they are due a replacement. No sure what it is though
Has 4128 been withdrawn
@Tony ?
Quote from: BU07 LGO on November 14, 2016, 02:56:14 PM
Has 4128 been withdrawn @Tony ?
Tony is away and will be back next week.
Quote from: markcf83 on November 14, 2016, 04:13:51 PM
Tony is away and will be back next week.
As per the post above, though they still have Internet access in America so thought he may know
Two wb presidents been bought down pensnett was dumped in bottom yard one was a five branded bus
4104 was one of them saw them heading down to pensnett
I know they're in reserve but they're unlikely to see service again so do we know when or if the Scania bendies will be leaving Miller Street ?
Quote from: Mercedes1665 on November 17, 2016, 12:09:32 AM
4104 was one of them saw them heading down to pensnett
There are 4 extra Presidents arrived at PN reserve fleet they are 4084, 4087, 4097 & 4104 (already confirmed) - now six in total
Quote from: Tony on November 07, 2016, 07:52:06 PM
4085; 4087; 4104 & 4114 will all die this week
Looking back a bit - did Tony mean 4084 or is 4085 withdrawn as well? (so 4084/85/87/97/104/114 have all recently gone).
I've got 7 a PN though! (4031/66/73/84/87/97/104).
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 17, 2016, 03:20:46 PM
Looking back a bit - did Tony mean 4084 or is 4085 withdrawn as well? (so 4084/85/87/97/104/114 have all recently gone).
I've got 7 a PN though! (4031/66/73/84/87/97/104).
I'm pretty sure 4073 isn't at PN and there's just the six, may double check tomorrow morning.
Has YW lost its last couple to AG or reserve/ withdrawn, does anyone know?
Quote from: The Real 4778 on November 17, 2016, 04:07:36 PM
Has YW lost its last couple to AG or reserve/ withdrawn, does anyone know?
4090 has been withdrawn
4092 was at AG on loan I think but not sure of where it is now
Quote from: Winston on November 17, 2016, 03:50:04 PM
I'm pretty sure 4073 isn't at PN and there's just the six, may double check tomorrow morning.
as of yesterday when I was at garage there was the two down the bottom of top yard and two that had just been dropped of and parked in the bottom yard but when I booked on this morning they had been moved to the top yard
Quote from: karl724223 on November 17, 2016, 04:50:39 PM
as of yesterday when I was at garage there was the two down the bottom of top yard and two that had just been dropped of and parked in the bottom yard but when I booked on this morning they had been moved to the top yard
Another 2 must have followed in between, as there were six parked down the bottom of top yard at 9.15am this morning. A row of 5 (4031/4066/4084/4087 & 4097) then 4104 on it's own
Unless you haven't been eating your carrots....... :P
Quote from: Winston on November 17, 2016, 05:47:57 PM
Another 2 must have followed in between, as there were six parked down the bottom of top yard at 9.15am this morning. A row of 5 (4031/4066/4084/4087 & 4097) then 4104 on it's own
Unless you haven't been eating your carrots....... :P
yow Dow goo up the top yard where the dead buses yam there be foxes rots squirrels and god knows what and there fooking big uns un all
And if they Dow get ya the mine shafts wull
Quote from: karl724223 on November 17, 2016, 06:19:34 PM
yow Dow goo up the top yard where the dead buses yam there be foxes rots squirrels and god knows what and there fooking big uns un all
I find personally the trespassing sign usually keeps me at bay ;)
Quote from: karl724223 on November 17, 2016, 06:19:34 PM
yow Dow goo up the top yard where the dead buses yam there be foxes rots squirrels and god knows what and there fooking big uns un all
And that's just the squatters and local 'residents'
Quote from: Dom on November 17, 2016, 06:25:28 PM
And that's just the squatters and local 'residents'
tatters gyppos and pikeys have been known to hide up there and the odd rs
After the fuel in the tanks and the batteries also the copper pipe from the heating systems
Quote from: 2900 on November 07, 2016, 02:00:10 PM
Plackys dropping like flies at west brom rear car park currently parked up 4047 branded 5 the other 4049 parked inside by admin,4051, 4102
I wander what will be used on west broms 5 service as I understand it there's some sort of quality partnership with centro tfwm what ever they are called this week.
42**
Quote from: The Real 4778 on November 17, 2016, 04:07:36 PM
Has YW lost its last couple to AG or reserve/ withdrawn, does anyone know?
Both sat in garage this morning with the out of service buses so think they are withdrawn, also been joined by 4058.
Sunday gone , 3 presidents rear car park , 2 admin , front at least 2 , oak rd 1 not good west brom soon to be an Alexander bodied double deck only , sometimes at the bus station all you see is E400 enviros , in a way no different to the MCW era for those lucky enough to experience those times.
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 17, 2016, 03:20:46 PM
I've got 7 a PN though! (4031/66/73/84/87/97/104).
@paulb1973 - definitely only the 6 Presidents @ PN, 4073 isn't there
Quote from: Winston on November 18, 2016, 09:14:10 AM
@paulb1973 - definitely only the 6 Presidents @ PN, 4073 isn't there
Thanks for that, looking at Tony's list 4073 is withdrawn at Walsall. I've just come across a pic of 4039 at Miller Street, from 'horsencart82' on Flickr [who I think posts on here] - guessing that's another recent withdrawal, unless its an older picture?
My own list:
4024(MS)/4031(PN)/4032(WA)/4033(MS)/4035(MS)/4039(MS?)/4041(MS)/4063(MS)/4065(WA)/4066(PN)/4068(WA)/4070(MS)/4072(WA or MS)/4073(WA)
4079(MS)/4084(PN)/4085(??)/4087(PN)/4089(MS)/4097(PN)/4104(PN)/4105(WA)/4106(MS)/4114(??) [24]
Also; 4058/4090/4092 out of use at AG and 4047/4049/4051/4102 out of use at WB.
Deffo six at PN.
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 18, 2016, 03:22:15 PM
Thanks for that, looking at Tony's list 4073 is withdrawn at Walsall. I've just come across a pic of 4039 at Miller Street, from 'horsencart82' on Flickr [who I think posts on here] - guessing that's another recent withdrawal, unless its an older picture?
My own list:
4024(MS)/4031(PN)/4032(WA)/4033(MS)/4035(MS)/4039(MS?)/4041(MS)/4063(MS)/4065(WA)/4066(PN)/4068(WA)/4070(MS)/4072(WA or MS)/4073(WA)
4079(MS)/4084(PN)/4085(??)/4087(PN)/4089(MS)/4097(PN)/4104(PN)/4105(WA)/4106(MS)/4114(??) [24]
Also; 4058/4090/4092 out of use at AG and 4047/4049/4051/4102 out of use at WB.
Deffo six at PN.
see my list on pn thread
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 18, 2016, 03:22:15 PM
Thanks for that, looking at Tony's list 4073 is withdrawn at Walsall. I've just come across a pic of 4039 at Miller Street, from 'horsencart82' on Flickr [who I think posts on here] - guessing that's another recent withdrawal, unless its an older picture?
My own list:
4024(MS)/4031(PN)/4032(WA)/4033(MS)/4035(MS)/4039(MS?)/4041(MS)/4063(MS)/4065(WA)/4066(PN)/4068(WA)/4070(MS)/4072(WA or MS)/4073(WA)
4079(MS)/4084(PN)/4085(??)/4087(PN)/4089(MS)/4097(PN)/4104(PN)/4105(WA)/4106(MS)/4114(??) [24]
Also; 4058/4090/4092 out of use at AG and 4047/4049/4051/4102 out of use at WB.
Deffo six at PN.
According to a post on Facebook, apparently 4024, 4035, 4089 and 4106 have been sold to an operator in Nottingham and should have left Miller Street today.
Just heard tonight that 4255 will not be repaired after its fire
Quote from: John on November 18, 2016, 07:40:45 PM
Just heard tonight that 4255 will not be repaired after its fire
Am I correct in saying that this is the first B7 ALX400 withdrawn?
Quote from: Lukeee on November 18, 2016, 11:03:43 PM
Am I correct in saying that this is the first B7 ALX400 withdrawn?
I believe it is.
Quote from: Lukeee on November 18, 2016, 11:03:43 PM
Am I correct in saying that this is the first B7 ALX400 withdrawn?
Yes.
Quote from: 2206 on November 19, 2016, 05:05:48 PM
Yes.
As a fleet, they survived well. Now the end is nigh!
4023 has joined the other 9 Presidents being stored at PN
Quote from: Winston on December 02, 2016, 09:36:57 AM
4023 has joined the other 9 Presidents being stored at PN
Along with 4062, both were moved together
Quote from: Tony on December 02, 2016, 11:27:52 AM
Along with 4062, both were moved together
I clocked 4062 parked next to 4023, but it never registered as being a new addition as I'm pretty sure there's only 10 parked there. One of the original ones must have gone? Possibly whatever was parked next to 4104 as there's was a gap.
Quote from: Winston on December 02, 2016, 11:53:37 AM
I clocked 4062 parked next to 4023, but it never registered as being a new addition as I'm pretty sure there's only 10 parked there. One of the original ones must have gone? Possibly whatever was parked next to 4104 as there's was a gap.
4051 now at Miller Street
Quote from: Tony on December 02, 2016, 12:03:49 PM
4051 now at Miller Street
That'll be why 4062 didn't register then.
4085; 4102 & 4114 also arrived at Miller Street
4092 defo still in use at AG saw it on the 11 yesterday
Quote from: dingding on December 02, 2016, 04:20:39 PM
4092 defo still in use at AG saw it on the 11 yesterday
Out on the 11A on Wednesday and 11C today.
4178 has become the first of the initial 100 Tridents to succumb, involved in a Third party liable RTC and repairs costs exceed book value so written off
4031 and 4066 are listed as been withdrawn in both October and November's fleet changes
Quote from: Tony on December 02, 2016, 05:31:37 PM
4178 has become the first of the initial 100 Tridents to succumb, involved in a Third party liable RTC and repairs costs exceed book value so written off
I did wonder when the first of that hundred would be withdrawn. All of 4125-4224 have managed at least 15 years service as a complete batch. Suppose 2017/18 could see the floodgates opened - with more life-expired Tridents going.
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 02, 2016, 07:38:30 PM
I did wonder when the first of that hundred would be withdrawn. All of 4125-4224 have managed at least 15 years service as a complete batch. Suppose 2017/18 could see the floodgates opened - with more life-expired Tridents going.
Yes. I always think of the early Tridents as being far newer to the Plaxtons, but in reality there's only a year difference. Same apply to the ALX 42xx Volvos.
Another thing is, by January there will be a lot of buses entering their 16th and 17th year. So would imagine they won't have long...
Quote from: Tony on December 02, 2016, 05:31:37 PM
4178 has become the first of the initial 100 Tridents to succumb, involved in a Third party liable RTC and repairs costs exceed book value so written off
Even with its Euro 5 engine or just a case of whip it out....
I guess we have reached a time where buses that receive accident damage will be withdrawn - but would have otherwise received a repair earlier in their lives. A situation mirrored with some of those later Mk2 Metrobuses sent to Miller Street with minor damage.
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 03, 2016, 09:01:26 AM
I guess we have reached a time where buses that receive accident damage will be withdrawn - but would have otherwise received a repair earlier in their lives. A situation mirrored with some of those later Mk2 Metrobuses sent to Miller Street with minor damage.
Shame that they are being withdrawn so soon. Have nx really upped their investment?? They seem to keep buying at a very fast rate
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 03, 2016, 11:41:44 AM
Shame that they are being withdrawn so soon. Have nx really upped their investment?? They seem to keep buying at a very fast rate
Remember the 41xx Tridents will enter their 16th year next month.
My favorite buses of the same fleet numbers - the 41xx Fleetlines only lasted 12 or 13 years...
Quote from: B.C Driver on December 03, 2016, 12:02:40 PM
Remember the 41xx Tridents will enter their 16th year next month.
My favorite buses of the same fleet numbers - the 41xx Fleetlines only lasted 12 or 13 years...
And the 41** tridents are still brilliant. Seems like nx withdraw buses for the fun of it
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 03, 2016, 01:14:19 PM
And the 41** tridents are still brilliant. Seems like nx withdraw buses for the fun of it
Their are emission regulations NX have to contend with. Bar the school/ work services, BC only operate services which go into the City Centre and they have loads of Y Reg Tridents which won't meet the regulations plus their working life is nearing an end so it makes sense. Chances are most may be sold on to capitalize on their state.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 03, 2016, 01:14:19 PM
And the 41** tridents are still brilliant. Seems like nx withdraw buses for the fun of it
And the award for most absurd comment of the week goes to....
Quote from: Gareth on December 03, 2016, 01:34:12 PM
And the award for most absurd comment of the week goes to....
I'll second that!
I drive the Y reg Tridents regually, and Ive drove Spectras, Presidents, ALX400s, and E400s and I can honestly say the Y reg Tridents are the best. They still feel smooth and solid, the heaters are still as warm as a brand new bus. Even compared to the 44 and 46 Tridents they are better, as the later ones tend to jerk a bit. They have aged well too. I will miss them.
Quote from: Gareth on December 03, 2016, 01:34:12 PM
And the award for most absurd comment of the week goes to....
I dunno Gareth, check out the rubbish he's been posting in the Diamond discussion thread
Sorry if I've missed posts elsewhere, but why were 4255/64 withdrawn?
Quote from: Stevo on December 04, 2016, 11:00:57 AM
Sorry if I've missed posts elsewhere, but why were 4255/64 withdrawn?
4255 had an engine fire while on the A52.
Quote from: John on September 17, 2016, 01:04:20 PM
Apparently one of our ALX400s has suffered an engine fire while working the A52
EDIT - 4255
Quote from: 2206 on December 04, 2016, 11:24:48 AM
4255 had an engine fire while on the A52.
Electrical fire. The engine is fine, donated to keep 4253 on the road
How badly damaged was it.
Quote from: BusFan94 on December 04, 2016, 03:19:46 PM
How badly damaged was it.
The body wasn't damaged at all, just I heard the fire destroyed a lot of the wiring, and would cost more to replace than the bus was worth
Oh ok thanks
Quote from: Stevo on December 04, 2016, 11:00:57 AM
Sorry if I've missed posts elsewhere, but why was 4264 withdrawn?
That's what I'm wondering.
Quote from: 2206 on December 04, 2016, 11:24:48 AM
4255 had an engine fire while on the A52.
Why was it working between Notts and Derby? 8)
Quote from: John on December 04, 2016, 03:24:13 PM
The body wasn't damaged at all, just I heard the fire destroyed a lot of the wiring, and would cost more to replace than the bus was worth
Seeing as it shares the same bodywork as a Trident (By in large), will it still be kept for spares ?
Quote from: The Real 4778 on December 04, 2016, 09:17:42 PM
Why was it working between Notts and Derby? 8)
Amazon route surely.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on December 04, 2016, 09:21:59 PM
Seeing as it shares the same bodywork as a Trident (By in large), will it still be kept for spares ?
There's plenty of ALX bodied B7 in service that could benefit from any spare parts to keep them going.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on December 04, 2016, 09:21:59 PM
Seeing as it shares the same bodywork as a Trident (By in large), will it still be kept for spares ?
There are a lot of small differences between the ALX400 body on the Tridents and B7TL. The front bumper on the Volvo is thicker, the skirt panels are also larger on Volvos, window sizes on the upper deck are different, different sized engine doors in different places, vents. A lot of panels are probably not interchangeable between the two.
It will more than likely be stripped of most reusable spares for other Volvos, then scrapped. Or it might be kept at Miller Street and stripped when parts are needed
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 03, 2016, 01:14:19 PM
And the 41** tridents are still brilliant. Seems like nx withdraw buses for the fun of it
oh yeah I can just picture the gaffers around board room smoking there Cubans , hey chaps lets get rid of the erm y reg tridents we,ve had our fun with them, yeah yeah jolly good ole boy splendid idea. I must say you are full of good ideas don't know what we would do without dear boy what is your name again son , oh sir TRIDENT 4194 , this time next year you,ll be running this company stick with me son you,ll go far.
Quote from: 2900 on December 05, 2016, 02:49:47 PM
oh yeah I can just picture the gaffers around board room smoking there Cubans , hey chaps lets get rid of the erm y reg tridents we,ve had our fun with them, yeah yeah jolly good ole boy splendid idea. I must say you are full of good ideas don't know what we would do without dear boy what is your name again son , oh sir TRIDENT 4194 , this time next year you,ll be running this company stick with me son you,ll go far.
LMFAO!!! Just picture it there now.
Quote from: Tony on December 02, 2016, 05:31:37 PM
4178 has become the first of the initial 100 Tridents to succumb, involved in a Third party liable RTC and repairs costs exceed book value so written off
Was this bus withdrawn - I noticed 4175 is shown as withdrawn and was wondering if this was a typo?
Quote from: don on December 15, 2016, 12:17:23 PM
Was this bus withdrawn - I noticed 4175 is shown as withdrawn and was wondering if this was a typo?
No
@don 3 tridents have been withdrawn 4158 4159 & 4175 as per Tony's quote in transferred vehicle thread
Quote from: Squiz1971 on December 15, 2016, 01:26:06 PM
No @don 3 tridents have been withdrawn 4158 4159 & 4175 as per Tony's quote in transferred vehicle thread
Three others too at WN? 4136 et al? Can't remember where I saw the comment.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on December 15, 2016, 01:58:47 PM
Three others too at WN? 4136 et al? Can't remember where I saw the comment.
On the same thread
@The Real 4778 but on the previous page to the BC withdrawals mate, had to double check it out myself for the BC ones
There's only 6 Presidents left at PN. 4047 & 4062 have gone.
Quote from: Winston on December 16, 2016, 11:18:51 PM
There's only 6 Presidents left at PN. 4047 & 4062 have gone.
Has 4047 moved over to MS?
4046 & two others have been repainted and are being advertised on Drew Wilson...
http://www.drewwilson.co.uk/listings/2000-volvo-b7tl-plaxton-president/
Quote from: Adam 404 on December 17, 2016, 03:38:39 PM
4046 & two others have been repainted and are being advertised on Drew Wilson...
http://www.drewwilson.co.uk/listings/2000-volvo-b7tl-plaxton-president/
They're ex Dundee examples
Quote from: Adam 404 on December 17, 2016, 03:38:39 PM
4046 & two others have been repainted and are being advertised on Drew Wilson...
http://www.drewwilson.co.uk/listings/2000-volvo-b7tl-plaxton-president/
They scrub up rather well - look so much better even in that dealer-stock livery than the dirt-attracting old red and white.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on December 17, 2016, 06:12:24 PM
They scrub up rather well - look so much better even in that dealer-stock livery than the dirt-attracting old red and white.
That's not dealer stock livery, all the Dundee one (after the initial 3 to Dublin) have been sold to Stuart's, Carluke, who is reselling some on a commission basis through Drew Wilson . The ones pictured are staying at Stuart's and that's their livery
Quote from: Tony on December 17, 2016, 08:33:31 PM
That's not dealer stock livery, all the Dundee one (after the initial 3 to Dublin) have been sold to Stuart's, Carluke, who is reselling some on a commission basis through Drew Wilson . The ones pictured are staying at Stuart's and that's their livery
Well they look great!
Quote from: Winston on December 16, 2016, 11:18:51 PM
There's only 6 Presidents left at PN. 4047 & 4062 have gone.
Does anyone know where 4062 has gone?
Quote from: Winston on December 16, 2016, 11:18:51 PM
There's only 6 Presidents left at PN. 4047 & 4062 have gone.
I have seven; 4023/31/66/84/87/97/104 at PN - has one of those been moved? From my own notes I also have 4049/58/62 withdrawn but without a location (4047 is seemingly at/back at MS).
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 18, 2016, 11:46:31 PM
I have seven; 4023/31/66/84/87/97/104 at PN - has one of those been moved? From my own notes I also have 4049/58/62 withdrawn but without a location (4047 is seemingly at/back at MS).
I don't remember 4023 being there, I'll try & have another look to confirm for certain.
Quote from: Winston on December 18, 2016, 11:57:43 PM
I don't remember 4023 being there, I'll try & have another look to confirm for certain.
I've come across a pic on Flickr showing 4023 at Miller St on 14/12/16 - so it could be there. On the same collection/date, a picture appears to show 4093 there as well, although I have that one as still in service.
4071; 4078; 4094 now withdrawn at Miller Street
4049; 4093 withdrawn at WB
4044 is also now withdrawn @ MS
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mcwmetrobuses/31751344365/in/photostream/
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 18, 2016, 11:46:31 PM
I have seven; 4023/31/66/84/87/97/104 at PN - has one of those been moved? From my own notes I also have 4049/58/62 withdrawn but without a location (4047 is seemingly at/back at MS).
@paulb1973 - As I thought 4023 has gone, the six @ PN are 4031/4066/4084/4087/4097 & 4104
Quote from: Winston on December 20, 2016, 11:11:10 AM
@paulb1973 - As I thought 4023 has gone, the six @ PN are 4031/4066/4084/4087/4097 & 4104
Yes, I assumed it was 4023 gone - there is a pic of it at MS floating around on Flickr.
Seen today just approaching miller street was 4058 4080 4082 and 4093 :(
There was a group of five presidents packed together at WB Garage looked as if they were withdrawn couldn't see all numbers but sore 4051 and 4081.
Quote from: Winston on December 20, 2016, 11:11:10 AM
@paulb1973 - As I thought 4023 has gone, the six @ PN are 4031/4066/4084/4087/4097 & 4104
Photographed 4104 at MS yesterday
Apparently a 'large operator' is taking 'several'.
I don't know who or how many.
Green Bus, who are selling them on NX's behalf have so far sold 9
Quote from: Tony on December 22, 2016, 07:41:08 PM
Apparently a 'large operator' is taking 'several'.
I don't know who or how many.
Green Bus, who are selling them on NX's behalf have so far sold 9
I think they'll do well, for now.
I read on the BBC the other week, that London Mayor Sadiq Khan has some grand ambitions for all London buses to be electric or hybrid by 2018. If that's the case, and truly achievable, the second-hand bus market is going to become flooded in the next two years!
But I see the problem being that outside of London, there is little demand for London-spec vehicles, with dual-doors, which would cost money to convert. Even some of the early NX Tridents might be attractive to smaller operators.
Quote from: Stu on December 22, 2016, 08:21:45 PM
I think they'll do well, for now.
I read on the BBC the other week, that London Mayor Sadiq Khan has some grand ambitions for all London buses to be electric or hybrid by 2018. If that's the case, and truly achievable, the second-hand bus market is going to become flooded in the next two years!
But I see the problem being that outside of London, there is little demand for London-spec vehicles, with dual-doors, which would cost money to convert. Even some of the early NX Tridents might be attractive to smaller operators.
That is not what he said.
What he actually said was he wanted all new contracts starting from that date to be emission free at tailpipe. Even London cannot afford to replace 8000 buses in two years!
More on what Sadiq Khan said:
https://www.transportxtra.com/publications/local-transport-today/news/52071/london-to-stop-buying-diesel-buses-says-sadiq-khan
Quote from: Pete50492 on December 22, 2016, 07:33:42 PM
Photographed 4104 at MS yesterday
There's a few more left, PN is down to 3 now i.e 4031 / 4066 & 4087.
Where are all the Presidents that have been withdrawn from WB & AG overnight ? Are they still at their respective garages ?
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on December 22, 2016, 10:00:44 PM
Where are all the Presidents that have been withdrawn from WB & AG overnight ? Are they still at their respective garages ?
There was one at WB parked on the main forecourt.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on December 22, 2016, 10:00:44 PM
Where are all the Presidents that have been withdrawn from WB & AG overnight ? Are they still at their respective garages ?
Lots of them have gone to Hockley
Quote from: Tony on December 22, 2016, 10:07:30 PM
Lots of them have gone to Hockley
Hockley as in TGB depot?
I take it by TGB you mean "The Green Bus" is so, why aren't they at PN ? I'd hazard a guess and say I doubt they'd all fit at Miller Street but I'm sure PN has loads of room.
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on December 22, 2016, 10:52:09 PM
I take it by TGB you mean "The Green Bus" is so, why aren't they at PN ? I'd hazard a guess and say I doubt they'd all fit at Miller Street but I'm sure PN has loads of room.
Yes The Green Bus. TGB are selling them on NX's behalf.
Quote from: Tony on December 22, 2016, 07:41:08 PM
Apparently a 'large operator' is taking 'several'.
I don't know who or how many.
Green Bus, who are selling them on NX's behalf have so far sold 9
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on December 22, 2016, 10:52:09 PM
I take it by TGB you mean "The Green Bus" is so, why aren't they at PN ? I'd hazard a guess and say I doubt they'd all fit at Miller Street but I'm sure PN has loads of room.
PN only has 3 x Presidents, 1 x B10L, 1 x Excel & 2 x Mercs stored there now.
PN 4191 has been withdrawn today
4178 & 4255 now both st PVS
Only Presidents 4031 & 4066 are left at PN now
Two more withdrawals
WN 4138 - blown engine, likely to be stripped
WA 4190 - At Miller Street, runner could return if needed
Quote from: Tony on January 31, 2017, 06:47:08 PM
Three more withdrawals
WN 4138 - blown engine, likely to be stripped
WA 4190 - At Miller Street, runner could return if needed
WB 4232 - donating engine to reinstate 4264
Quote from: Tony on January 31, 2017, 06:47:08 PM
Two more withdrawals
WN 4138 - blown engine, likely to be stripped
WA 4190 - At Miller Street, runner could return if needed
WB 4232 - donating engine to reinstate 4264
R.I.P 4190, that's why i was surprised 4198 has been given a quick repaint, surely it's on death row to!
seems theres a few buses at wn requiring engines, and not old stuff either! apart from the tridents with the adblue filler, are they all fitted with the same engines otherwise, i.e if a 41xx has a good lump, and say a newer trident blows its lump, will they be able to utilise the engines to get them back on the road?
Quote from: mranon on January 31, 2017, 10:08:51 PM
seems theres a few buses at wn requiring engines
Does it?
Which buses? I can see the post about the 1 having a blown engine?
4232 donating engine to 4264 ,
Has 4232 been involved in an RTC or is it one of those that have never seen a refurb so low book value thus ideal to break up for parts, I thought the plaxton b7tl,s had the same basic engine as the alx400,s bodied b7tl,s , plenty of plaxtons lying around.
Quote from: 2900 on February 01, 2017, 11:42:42 AM
4232 donating engine to 4264 ,
Has 4232 been involved in an RTC or is it one of those that have never seen a refurb so low book value thus ideal to break up for parts, I thought the plaxton b7tl,s had the same basic engine as the alx400,s bodied b7tl,s , plenty of plaxtons lying around.
Plaxtons have Euro 2 engines, ALX have Euro 3 engines, a few differences which stop easy exchange
4079 has joined 4031 & 4066 in Pensnett's reserve fleet yard
I assume these are non runners & awaiting scrapping.
More tridents now finished are
4187 & 4189 at Miller Street for stripping for spares
4131 & 4174 at BC both unlikely to run again
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2017, 02:55:01 PM
More tridents now finished are
4181 & 4189 at Miller Street for stripping for spares
4131 & 4174 at BC both unlikely to run again
I assume when the next batch of new vehicles arrive [what/whenever they may be] - they'll be a real slaughter of this 4125-4224 batch (and probably the 42xx B7TL's). Otherwise just withdrawals in dribs & drabs for the time being. Those four mentioned leaves BC with a 'mere' 225 buses I think. I can't imagine there can be too many more, otherwise BC will be short.
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2017, 02:55:01 PM
More tridents now finished are
4181 & 4189 at Miller Street for stripping for spares
4131 & 4174 at BC both unlikely to run again
4181 showing in service
Quote from: 979 on February 16, 2017, 05:03:30 PM
4181 showing in service
apologies; 4187 is the one at Miller Street
Now 9 Tridents at Miller Street
4158; 4159; 4172; 4175; 4182; 4187; 4188; 4189; 4190
Others withdrawn are 4128 (WA); 4138/47 (WN); 4131; 4174 (BC); 4191 (PN)
1475; 1480; 4238 have all gone to PVS.
The last President has left the building at WB, 4099 now at Miller Street.
1436; 1589; 1647 & 4033 are likely to be donations to schools
If 4174 was the one I caught on the 60 the other morning, then good riddance! It looked a right state interior wise. ???
Quote from: Tony on February 17, 2017, 05:56:48 PM
Now 9 Tridents at Miller Street
4158; 4159; 4172; 4175; 4182; 4187; 4188; 4189; 4190
Others withdrawn are 4128 (WA); 4138/47 (WN); 4131; 4174 (BC); 4191 (PN)
1475; 1480; 4238 have all gone to PVS.
The last President has left the building at WB, 4099 now at Miller Street.
1436; 1589; 1647 & 4033 are likely to be donations to schools
Hadn't realised 4238 had gone (it is showing as withdrawn on the main site fleet list) the second B7TL/ALX400 to go. I assume 4232 is still with us.
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 17, 2017, 07:59:48 PM
Hadn't realised 4238 had gone (it is showing as withdrawn on the main site fleet list) the second B7TL/ALX400 to go. I assume 4232 is still with us.
4232 is currently at Hartshornes, Willenhall donating parts for the reinstatement of 4264
Quote from: Tony on February 17, 2017, 08:19:49 PM
4232 is currently at Hartshornes, Willenhall donating parts for the reinstatement of 4264
Presumably 4232 won't be coming back.
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 17, 2017, 09:02:07 PM
Presumably 4232 won't be coming back.
Possibly, as coke cans!!
All the later tridents at BC that I have seen recently, with the exception of 4594-6 have ad blue tanks fitted, even the ones not yet repainted crimson. This could be the reason BC are able to release some of the earlier tridents. Some of the YW 45XX tridents also have the ad blue tanks.
Why was 4238 withdrawn
Oh ok
Quote from: BusFan94 on February 19, 2017, 01:57:10 PM
Oh ok
If you're a regular Flickr user - there are a few pics of 4238 at PVS's scrapyard (recent withdrawals 4255 & 1475 are seen too). Looks pretty complete, assume it was front or offside damage that led to its demise.
Do you have Flickr link I could follow
Quote from: BusFan94 on February 20, 2017, 11:51:05 AM
Do you have Flickr link I could follow
4255 in scrapyard. Stan Butler is good to follow, he photographs a lot of buses in scrapyards. https://flic.kr/p/SgWCU8
Quote from: P419 EJW on February 20, 2017, 12:07:18 PM
4255 in scrapyard. Stan Butler is good to follow, he photographs a lot of buses in scrapyards. https://flic.kr/p/SgWCU8
Yes, that's the Flickr page I follow too. There are two rather tidy looking De Courcey double deckers sitting in the yard of PVS (863/4 - Scania N113/East Lancs Cityzen's). These have been regulars on the roads of Coventry for some time, ex-Brighton & Hove looking on Tony's list (20 years old though).
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 20, 2017, 03:17:09 PM
Yes, that's the Flickr page I follow too. There are two rather tidy looking De Courcey double deckers sitting in the yard of PVS (863/4 - Scania N113/East Lancs Cityzen's). These have been regulars on the roads of Coventry for some time, ex-Brighton & Hove looking on Tony's list (20 years old though).
Looking at this pic: https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/32153924734/in/datetaken/
It looks like there is another 2 N113s in front of 864 (probably 861/862) and another NXWM decker next to what is probably 861 and 862
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on February 20, 2017, 03:23:46 PM
Looking at this pic: https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/32153924734/in/datetaken/
It looks like there is another 2 N113s in front of 864 (probably 861/862) and another NXWM decker next to what is probably 861 and 862
Probably 4238
Why do nxwm use PVS when there are other Scrapyards available I mean any bus that scrapped from Walsall could use EMR Darlaston it's Nearer to Walsall than PVS and considering a Few B6's went to EMR Darlaston why can't other buses for WA do the same.
Quote from: BusFan94 on February 20, 2017, 03:51:28 PM
Why do nxwm use PVS when there are other Scrapyards available I mean any bus that scrapped from Walsall could use EMR Darlaston it's Nearer to Walsall than PVS and considering a Few B6's went to EMR Darlaston why can't other buses for WA do the same.
Maybe they get a better price from PVS?
Quote from: Eric Shaw on February 18, 2017, 02:41:44 PM
All the later tridents at BC that I have seen recently, with the exception of 4594-6 have ad blue tanks fitted, even the ones not yet repainted crimson. This could be the reason BC are able to release some of the earlier tridents. Some of the YW 45XX tridents also have the ad blue tanks.
11 Branded 4660 and 4679 also have ad blue tanks fitted.
At Miller Street lunchtime.....following Tridents noted 4131, 4144, 4158, 4159, 4182, 4189, 4190. There were three or four others but couldn't see which they were.
Quote from: Pete50492 on February 22, 2017, 05:29:20 PM
At Miller Street lunchtime.....following Tridents noted 4131, 4144, 4158, 4159, 4182, 4189, 4190. There were three or four others but couldn't see which they were.
Sounds like 4131 has moved from BC to MS and 4144 the same way (but a more recent withdrawal).
Pictures of withdrawn Presidents & Tridents @ PN from today:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/99593182@N08/
4073 & 4092 are new additions
Quote from: Winston on February 25, 2017, 08:49:34 PM
Pictures of withdrawn Presidents & Tridents @ PN from today:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/99593182@N08/
4073 & 4092 are new additions
Tony has, on his latest NXWM fleet updates, 4092 and 4031 sold to other operators - I assume they await collection?
Question on the sales of Presidents; I have '4043/4060 sold to Garratt's, Front 1/17 & 4055/4109 sold to GH Watts, Leicester 1/17' - are these companies one and the same thing?
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 25, 2017, 10:39:40 PM
Tony has, on his latest NXWM fleet updates, 4092 and 4031 sold to other operators - I assume they await collection?
I suspect the ones at PN aren't for re-sale & are awaiting their new roles as coke cans (4092 being one). They all appear to have been towed to their current resting place.
If you look at 4031 & 4079 in the photo link I posted, they are both had LED destination blinds removed
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 25, 2017, 10:39:40 PM
Tony has, on his latest NXWM fleet updates, 4092 and 4031 sold to other operators - I assume they await collection?
Question on the sales of Presidents; I have '4043/4060 sold to Garratt's, Front 1/17 & 4055/4109 sold to GH Watts, Leicester 1/17' - are these companies one and the same thing?
All four were sold to Andrews, Groby. Don't know if they have sold them on.
4031 & 4092 are listed as sold to other operators
Quote from: Tony on February 26, 2017, 08:33:35 AM
All four were sold to Andrews, Groby. Don't know if they have sold them on.
4031 & 4092 are listed as sold to other operators
Cheers for the sales update. I know sometimes bus companies can be known by their trading name/s, but also the name of an individual working for the same company. I suppose its more than possible some have been sold on. 4109 is still showing 'withdrawn' [at NXWM] - on the main fleet list, will you be updating that one.
Those Flickr pics seem to show 4031 at PN, and its condition seems so-so from the untrained eye, but the one marked '4092' actually shows 4079 & 4031.
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 26, 2017, 11:11:53 AM
Cheers for the sales update. I know sometimes bus companies can be known by their trading name/s, but also the name of an individual working for the same company. I suppose its more than possible some have been sold on. 4109 is still showing 'withdrawn' [at NXWM] - on the main fleet list, will you be updating that one.
Those Flickr pics seem to show 4031 at PN, and its condition seems so-so from the untrained eye, but the one marked '4092' actually shows 4079 & 4031.
Well spotted
@paulb1973 never clocked, could have sworn there was an actual picture of 4092
Quote from: Winston on February 26, 2017, 11:17:04 AM
Well spotted @paulb1973 never clocked, could have sworn there was an actual picture of 4092
Yeah, there isn't a pic of 4092 - but I assume it is [or has been] at PN. Perhaps they were sold, but the sale fell through at the very last minute or have been immediately sold-on elsewhere? Or simply...it takes a while before the new operator comes and collects their new acquisition/s.
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 26, 2017, 11:11:53 AM
Cheers for the sales update. I know sometimes bus companies can be known by their trading name/s, but also the name of an individual working for the same company. I suppose its more than possible some have been sold on. 4109 is still showing 'withdrawn' [at NXWM] - on the main fleet list, will you be updating that one.
.
Yes, only got up to 4100 on Friday
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 26, 2017, 11:24:24 AM
Yeah, there isn't a pic of 4092 - but I assume it is [or has been] at PN. Perhaps they were sold, but the sale fell through at the very last minute or have been immediately sold-on elsewhere? Or simply...it takes a while before the new operator comes and collects their new acquisition/s.
All the Presidents that were up for sale were moved to The Green Bus depot including some that were previously in storage at PN. Obviously now TGB have sold the bulk of them, so storage there shouldn't be an issue
4092 has made it to its new owner apparently.
Trident 4186 is another BC examples that looks to have been withdrawn @ Miller St, this is also one with a Euro 4 engine:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mcwmetrobuses/33208986746/in/dateposted/
Quote from: Winston on March 05, 2017, 02:25:07 PM
Trident 4186 is another BC examples that looks to have been withdrawn @ Miller St, this is also one with a Euro 4 engine:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mcwmetrobuses/33208986746/in/dateposted/
Wiring problems, it may now see the reinstatement of 4172 now though. 4202 although 'withdrawn' from Pensnett may also return elsewhere
Quote from: Tony on March 05, 2017, 02:37:44 PM
Wiring problems, it may now see the reinstatement of 4172 now though. 4202 although 'withdrawn' from Pensnett may also return elsewhere
4172 is another Euro 4 engined Trident, or is that one you said the engine needed replacing?
Quote from: Winston on March 05, 2017, 03:45:19 PM
4172 is another Euro 4 engined Trident, or is that one you said the engine needed replacing?
4172 is a euro4 parked at Miller Street with rotton floor
Quote from: Tony on March 05, 2017, 04:07:42 PM
4172 is a euro4 parked at Miller Street with rotton floor
Fairly easy fix then. Assuming not structural.
Quote from: Winston on March 05, 2017, 04:08:41 PM
Fairly easy fix then. Assuming not structural.
No, you have to take part of the staircase out
Quote from: Tony on March 05, 2017, 04:09:34 PM
No, you have to take part of the staircase out
Oh right, I would have thought the floor would have butted up to the staircase & the staircase be mounted directly on to the chassis to make things like replacement less of a job.
4144 now at Walsall for repaint in blue/white
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2017, 12:03:42 PM
4144 now at Walsall for repaint in blue/white
Whoa, that's an interesting surprise!
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2017, 12:03:42 PM
4144 now at Walsall for repaint in blue/white
Will it replace one of 4203-24, or do Coventry need an extra bus?
Quote from: John on March 07, 2017, 12:48:43 PM
Will it replace one of 4203-24, or do Coventry need an extra bus?
Covering for the first E400 to go away to get the new ticket machine fitted
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2017, 12:03:42 PM
4144 now at Walsall for repaint in blue/white
I look forward to seeing it. I presume that it will help cover the painting of more of the 483* batch as well maybe?
Quote from: Adam 404 on March 07, 2017, 06:52:25 PM
I look forward to seeing it. I presume that it will help cover the painting of more of the 483* batch as well maybe?
It's initially covering 4776 going away to be the first bus in the fleet fitted with the new ticket machine and contactless card scanner
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2017, 06:55:06 PM
It's initially covering 4776 going away to be the first bus in the fleet fitted with the new ticket machine and contactless card scanner
Will they still accept cash with these new ticket machines?
Are they still going to use old wayfarer printer or having new one aswell as machine ?
Still accepting cash.
new printers
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2017, 08:23:47 AM
Still accepting cash.
new printers
New printers? Thought they were only replacing the wayfarer, didn't know the printer was changing as well.
Quote from: Dom on March 09, 2017, 08:56:44 AM
New printers? Thought they were only replacing the wayfarer, didn't know the printer was changing as well.
The new tickets look very smart. I was given one while in Bordesley Green recently.
Quote from: Adam 404 on March 09, 2017, 03:54:05 PM
The new tickets look very smart. I was given one while in Bordesley Green recently.
Do you happen to have a picture of it?
Quote from: Dom on March 09, 2017, 04:03:20 PM
Do you happen to have a picture of it?
Whilst I do have a picture of it, I was told not to show it. I will describe it however, it has a silver hologram on the left hand margin with a fluorescent orange narrow right margin. The base of the ticket is a greeny blue colour with logo at the top and small written details going down towards the bottom.
I must stress that it was still in the design stage when I saw it and obtain one of the tickets however.
The ticket machine looks quite like an iPad, very different to a wayfarer.
Hope that is useful.
Quote from: Adam 404 on March 09, 2017, 03:54:05 PM
I was given one while in Bordesley Green recently.
Oooh! Matron!!!!
I think an extra President & an extra Trident have now arrive at PN reserve fleet yard & are parked to right-hand side of 4073 in the shot below (unable to ID though)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/99593182@N08/32297802923/
4138
4068
Are
The
New
Arrivals
Last time I was at PN, 4031 & 4066 were the only 2 deckers there and they were/ are parked at the far side. Are these new additions and any others which have arrived at PN parked next to them or by the sides next to the singles ?
Quote from: GeminiFan1991 on March 10, 2017, 04:33:58 PM
Last time I was at PN, 4031 & 4066 were the only 2 deckers there and they were/ are parked at the far side. Are these new additions and any others which have arrived at PN parked next to them or by the sides next to the singles ?
Both, there's a row of 5 buses (4 x Presidents & 4128) at the very bottom, the 4191, 4 x Presidents & 4138 parked down the side after the two Mercs
Quote from: Winston on March 10, 2017, 04:19:33 PM
Thanks @karl724223 - always the comedian....
4202
Now
Up
Top
Yard
Pensnett
Early Trident withdrawal 4172 is to be rescued out of Miller Street and make a comeback
Quote from: Tony on April 07, 2017, 07:29:46 PM
Early Trident withdrawal 4172 is to be rescued out of Miller Street and make a comeback
Does anyone know what'll happen to the non Euro 4+ Y reg Tridents at BC?
Quote from: Tony on April 07, 2017, 07:29:46 PM
Early Trident withdrawal 4172 is to be rescued out of Miller Street and make a comeback
Will that be a red or blue return?
Quote from: paulb1973 on April 07, 2017, 07:41:12 PM
Will that be a red or blue return?
Euro 4 engine, stay with the rest of them
Two more tridents on the comeback trail
4147 at WN
4131 is going into the training fleet
Quote from: Tony on April 12, 2017, 12:33:06 PM
Two more tridents on the comeback trail
4147 at WN
4131 is going into the training fleet
The first low-floor double decker trainer in the fleet I think, and only the third double deck out of all the trainers (are Metrobuses 9951/59 still going!?).
Quote from: paulb1973 on April 12, 2017, 03:42:28 PM
The first low-floor double decker trainer in the fleet I think, and only the third double deck out of all the trainers (are Metrobuses 9951/59 still going!?).
Yes the Metrobus are still going.
are the 2 b10m plaxtons still in the training fleet?
There was an Omnicity decker in the line at MS yesterday - are they on the way out?
Quote from: Stevo on April 24, 2017, 10:41:11 AM
There was an Omnicity decker in the line at MS yesterday - are they on the way out?
Discussion on another thread indicates seed vehicle 4697 has been removed from public service.
https://flic.kr/p/Va8rYN
Ex nx president in service with Trannsdev Harrogate
Quote from: Chris on June 16, 2017, 06:05:01 PM
https://flic.kr/p/Va8rYN
Ex nx president in service with Trannsdev Harrogate
4069
Quote from: Jack B on June 16, 2017, 07:02:58 PM
4069
A not dissimilar livery style to the NX red and white scheme but looks so much smarter in these colours.
It looks really good for a 17 + year old!
4184 next to be withdrawn fire damage according to other posts on this Forum
Quote from: Chris on June 16, 2017, 06:05:01 PM
https://flic.kr/p/Va8rYN
Ex nx president in service with Trannsdev Harrogate
Managed to get the two myself this afternoon in York
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/34979683410/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/35326990726/
Quote from: John on June 17, 2017, 08:02:07 PM
Managed to get the two myself this afternoon in York
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/34979683410/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/john-s-91/35326990726/
Great photos! They look better in darks colours compared to the faded red/white paint.
Quote from: Jack B on June 17, 2017, 08:04:09 PM
Great photos! They look better in darks colours compared to the faded red/white paint.
Thanks Jack. They do look extremely smart, especially ex-4034 still with the rectangle headlights
Quote from: John on June 17, 2017, 09:01:35 PM
Thanks Jack. They do look extremely smart, especially ex-4034 still with the rectangle headlights
I'm quite happy 4034 and a few others retain them. 4034 looks smart, looks way better compared to when it had the Green frequency branding for the Pershore Road.
Quote from: John on June 17, 2017, 09:01:35 PM
Thanks Jack. They do look extremely smart, especially ex-4034 still with the rectangle headlights
I prefer Presidents with the original rectangle headlights, it suits the bodywork. I'm glad 4034 retained them. Having had a look at your pictures of ex 4034 and 4069; the livery looks spectacular on them.
Those transdev volvos look the business top job I say , NX Crimson would have looked great on them, has anyone seen the green buses half arsed job of covering the red on there volvos, awful is being polite.
Quote from: 2900 on June 28, 2017, 09:51:18 AM
Those transdev volvos look the business top job I say , NX Crimson would have looked great on them, has anyone seen the green buses half arsed job of covering the red on there volvos, awful is being polite.
On 4044 Green Bus have just left it in red and white, removed the National Express West Mildands logos on it and stuck Green Bus logos on it
@2900. Its been in service on the 844 like that for 6 months now.
More ex NXWM Presidents with a new lease of life in Yorkshire - looking smart now they've shed the dreadful old NX red and white livery:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/thespian/36916792402/in/pool-transdev/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scarborough-buses/35893088906/
Quote from: Mike K on September 07, 2017, 10:34:42 PM
More ex NXWM Presidents with a new lease of life in Yorkshire - looking smart now they've shed the dreadful old NX red and white livery:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/thespian/36916792402/in/pool-transdev/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scarborough-buses/35893088906/
I like the Transdev liveries on the Presidents. I agree they look a lot smarter than the drab NX livery they used to have.
Quote from: Mike K on September 07, 2017, 10:34:42 PM
More ex NXWM Presidents with a new lease of life in Yorkshire - looking smart now they've shed the dreadful old NX red and white livery:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/thespian/36916792402/in/pool-transdev/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scarborough-buses/35893088906/
Great photos!
They both look smart. Especially 4074 (V74 MOA) which looks so smart with its LED Display and dark paint. They look a lot better now they've left the red/white. I am really starting to miss the Presidents.
Saw a President been towed up the Expressway this morning around 8.30 heading up towards the M6
Quote from: John on September 12, 2017, 09:36:07 PM
Saw a President been towed up the Expressway this morning around 8.30 heading up towards the M6
Possibly 4094? So far 4072 & 4182 have gone.
Quote from: Sayeed on September 12, 2017, 10:11:16 PM
Possibly 4094? So far 4072 & 4182 have gone.
Tony's pics have shown both of those going to PVS for scrap, withdrawn 4062 seems to have moved to Walsall too. I'm looking out for pictures of 4128 going for scrap (there was a non-Tony report of it going here) but nothing yet.
Quote from: paulb1973 on September 12, 2017, 11:36:25 PM
Tony's pics have shown both of those going to PVS for scrap, withdrawn 4062 seems to have moved to Walsall too. I'm looking out for pictures of 4128 going for scrap (there was a non-Tony report of it going here) but nothing yet.
4062 is now in Dundee but not for use according to a quote by Tony
@paulb1973 in the Xplore Dundee thread
Quote from: Squiz1971 on September 13, 2017, 07:20:15 PM
4062 is now in Dundee but not for use according to a quote by Tony @paulb1973 in the Xplore Dundee thread
It's going to Dundee college eventually
4184 made its way upto Barnsley today.
Looking at the fleet list just, 4186 is down as Withdrawn? Have I missed something or is this an error?
Quote from: Jack on September 24, 2017, 07:35:24 PM
Looking at the fleet list just, 4186 is down as Withdrawn? Have I missed something or is this an error?
http://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=1861.msg221762#msg221762
Does anyone know where the whereabouts of 4023 is?
Is it still at TGB, Hockley?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/128470593@N05/31744952862/in/photolist-bxn56J-aWNKy8-r8pKpy-PX4MAC-kmMpfR-knK9GR-kmNjMD-mpyKeB-kmMttR-zGaSW6-CTqhS5-nK4cFX-DaY7Nj-Ne16FN-oNDgcM-PWuF4w-LCTRmv-Qncbvu-QeAasj-BrEEcE-vQ9zJj-KfDnmF
Quote from: 2206 on September 29, 2017, 07:42:11 PM
Does anyone know where the whereabouts of 4023 is?
Is it still at TGB, Hockley?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/128470593@N05/31744952862/in/photolist-bxn56J-aWNKy8-r8pKpy-PX4MAC-kmMpfR-knK9GR-kmNjMD-mpyKeB-kmMttR-zGaSW6-CTqhS5-nK4cFX-DaY7Nj-Ne16FN-oNDgcM-PWuF4w-LCTRmv-Qncbvu-QeAasj-BrEEcE-vQ9zJj-KfDnmF
It is still there, but there is a buyer lined up for it now, so it will be going to another operator
Quote from: Tony on September 29, 2017, 07:58:40 PM
It is still there, but there is a buyer lined up for it now, so it will be going to another operator
Thanks for the info.
It'll be interesting to see what operator it reappears with.
according to ensigns September sheet, ex nxwm spectra t413/7/20 uon have gone for scrap (Optare Spectra's T413 / 417 / 420UON Shelton Motors, Ely for scrap.) I thought t413 uon went for scrap after rtc direct from pl
Quote from: Tony on September 29, 2017, 07:58:40 PM
It is still there, but there is a buyer lined up for it now, so it will be going to another operator
Does anyone know if it's still there, or if it's been sold on yet?
So what's happening to 1589? It seems to of moved out of Pensnett to Walsall. Maybe conversion to a trainer? 1589 was a beast at WB.
Had an ex-NXWM President pass me while walking down Sedgley Road towards the Pie Factory today, had been painted white but still had the connector bars at the rear, does anyone have any idea which one that would've been?
Quote from: DJ98 on November 10, 2017, 12:26:55 AM
Had an ex-NXWM President pass me while walking down Sedgley Road towards the Pie Factory today, had been painted white but still had the connector bars at the rear, does anyone have any idea which one that would've been?
I've seen that pathetic attempt of a repaint too. It's been like that for a while. I saw it at least a month ago. The red bit has been painted white. The rest is untouched.
Quote from: DJ98 on November 10, 2017, 12:26:55 AM
Had an ex-NXWM President pass me while walking down Sedgley Road towards the Pie Factory today, had been painted white but still had the connector bars at the rear, does anyone have any idea which one that would've been?
It's one of the Ex-NX Presidents now with The Green Bus. They are half arsed repaints.
@DJ98
Only 3 x Presidents left in PN reserve fleet yard now: 4031/4066/68 + a few Tridents + 1 x Optare Excel
Merc 1647 & B10L 1427 have both been moved to far side/centre respectively, suggesting they may be ready to depart soon as well.
Quote from: Jack on November 10, 2017, 07:02:42 AM
It's one of the Ex-NX Presidents now with The Green Bus. They are half arsed repaints. @DJ98
That's what I guessed, but I didn't want to assume things. At least that one had the red removed, 4112 (Now Green Bus 312) was running round with the red and white livery still, at least until last month. (http://"http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4112.html")
Quote from: Winston on November 10, 2017, 09:41:47 AM
Only 3 x Presidents left in PN reserve fleet yard now: 4031/4066/68 + a few Tridents + 1 x Optare Excel
Merc 1647 & B10L 1427 have both been moved to far side/centre respectively, suggesting they may be ready to depart soon as well.
winst you need to go to specsavers ode pal there are six presidents on site top yard
As of 1230 today
6 residents
1. Trident
1 merc
1 B10L
1 excel
Few rots
Few foxes
Few squirrels
Is that excel going to ever move?
Quote from: karl724223 on November 10, 2017, 12:51:02 PM
winst you need to go to specsavers ode pal there are six presidents on site top yard
As of 1230 today
6 residents
1. Trident
1 merc
1 B10L
1 excel
Few rots
Few foxes
Few squirrels
There were the 3 I quoted parked at the bottom of the yard, unfortunately, I couldn't see through the lorry which was being loaded by the entrance gate to the NX staff car park me old pal. It was blocking the view of what was parked up the side fence other than the Excel
Quote from: karl724223 on November 10, 2017, 12:51:02 PM
winst you need to go to specsavers ode pal there are six presidents on site top yard
As of 1230 today
6 residents
1. Trident
1 merc
1 B10L
1 excel
Few rots
Few foxes
Few squirrels
The lone B10 is 1427. I wonder whether if it will go to scrap, I remember there was rumours about 1427 going into the training fleet early last year, though plans have probably changed, 1427 hasn't seen service for about 5 years!
Quote from: Winston on November 10, 2017, 09:41:47 AM
Only 3 x Presidents left in PN reserve fleet yard now: 4031/4066/68 + a few Tridents + 1 x Optare Excel
I thought 4031 was sold earlier this year?
Quote from: Jack on November 10, 2017, 07:02:42 AM
It's one of the Ex-NX Presidents now with The Green Bus. They are half arsed repaints. @DJ98
Quote from: DJ98 on November 10, 2017, 11:31:58 AM
That's what I guessed, but I didn't want to assume things. At least that one had the red removed, 4112 (Now Green Bus 312) was running round with the red and white livery still, at least until last month. (http://"http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4112.html")
4044 and 4112 haven't been repainted and are still in red and white.
@DJ98 4044 is on the 844 today.
Quote from: Jack on November 10, 2017, 04:20:57 PM
The lone B10 is 1427. I wonder whether if it will go to scrap, I remember there was rumours about 1427 going into the training fleet early last year, though plans have probably changed, 1427 hasn't seen service for about 5 years!
I thought 4031 was sold earlier this year?
6 years now nearly, withdrawn 1/12.
Quote from: 2206 on November 10, 2017, 05:14:04 PM
4044 and 4112 haven't been repainted and are still in red and white
Hopefully the don't let 4044 have this dreadful repaint, it's paint sill looks fresh, was the last President in toothpaste, and former 451 branded. 4044 had the smart 451 branding. 4044, 4051 and 4114 were the best Presidents at WB.
Quote from: Winston on November 10, 2017, 09:41:47 AM
Only 3 x Presidents left in PN reserve fleet yard now: 4031/4066/68 + a few Tridents + 1 x Optare Excel
Merc 1647 & B10L 1427 have both been moved to far side/centre respectively, suggesting they may be ready to depart soon as well.
You got our reserve fleet people worried posting "Only 3 x Presidents left at PN" they though the gippos had pinched 3
Quote from: Tony on November 10, 2017, 06:18:40 PM
You got our reserve fleet people worried posting "Only 3 x Presidents left at PN" they though the gippos had pinched 3
the three at the bottom have had nearly all the windows smashed hence security fencing has been put all around
Quote from: Tony on November 10, 2017, 06:18:40 PM
You got our reserve fleet people worried posting "Only 3 x Presidents left at PN" they though the gippos had pinched 3
Sorry Boss, couldn't fully see the line up the side where the Excel / Mercs are/were. The deckers there were all Tridents previously
I'll take myself off to Specsavers....
Quote from: Jack on November 09, 2017, 10:26:48 PM
So what's happening to 1589? It seems to of moved out of Pensnett to Walsall. Maybe conversion to a trainer? 1589 was a beast at WB.
According to a couple of comments on a Facebook group, it's apparently being converted into a driver trainer.
Looking at
@BU07 LGO's picture of 1589, when you zoom in, you can see the writing on red sticker 'Driver Training'. https://flic.kr/p/21oY1x6
Quote from: P419 EJW on November 13, 2017, 12:55:30 AM
Looking at @BU07 LGO's picture of 1589, when you zoom in, you can see the writing on red sticker 'Driver Training'. https://flic.kr/p/21oY1x6
Despite what a Walsall engineer has written on the 'Do Not move' sticker 1589 is at Walsall for the paintshop to tidy up before donation to a school.
Quote from: Tony on November 13, 2017, 08:01:53 AM
Despite what a Walsall engineer has written on the 'Do Not move' sticker 1589 is at Walsall for the paintshop to tidy up before donation to a school.
Thanks
@Tony.
Quote from: Tony on November 13, 2017, 08:01:53 AM
Despite what a Walsall engineer has written on the 'Do Not move' sticker 1589 is at Walsall for the paintshop to tidy up before donation to a school.
Aha, I see! Thank you for the confirmation,
@Tony.
surprised 1689 been withdrawn from training fleet
Quote from: mranon on November 13, 2017, 07:52:12 PM
surprised 1689 been withdrawn from training fleet
Chassis rotton
Quote from: Tony on November 13, 2017, 07:53:20 PM
Chassis rotton
I presume the Deckers have replaced it.
1689 was an awesome bus. I drove it around Coleshill on my way to Coventry Garage from Walsall. It was quick on the A roads. I can't remember the top speed but it was hitting the limiter. The little orange light comes on if I remember correctly.
Quote from: MW on November 13, 2017, 11:44:03 PM
1689 was an awesome bus. I drove it around Coleshill on my way to Coventry Garage from Walsall. It was quick on the A roads. I can't remember the top speed but it was hitting the limiter. The little orange light comes on if I remember correctly.
New to Hockley garage back in 99 great buses these were light years ahead of the metrobuses and Lynx,s , the interiors were way better than the R S reg versions , IMO sounded better to. Miss these beasts, shame they are such rot boxes. Scanias got nothing on the 0405n from a driver point of view. Great fun at night racing these on the 120 race track with its balmy fast running time table.
No harm in asking, in my opinion; I see this is my last resort:
With 1589 & 1647 being prepped for donations at Walsall; will the recipients have any use for any particular parts? i.e. the destination blind gearbox.
I'd hate to come off as a pest, but I have enquired about this before - and I appreciate the answers that I was met with, but they didn't fulfil what I was after. I turned to ask my followers on my bus page on instagram, and I believe it was Helen Walcott who pointed me in the direction of Wythall Transport Museum. Reluctantly, I put it off - knowing that, as a museum, their priority would be to preserve buses rather than supply the avid enthusiast with 'vital' parts. I eventually emailed them and they had politely responded that they do not have the sufficient parts for both myself and them. My problem is that an item of such description is very scarce online. Those that I do find are often either ridiculously expensive/wrong dimensions/too far for delivery. I don't expect something for nothing, I'd be happy to pay for the parts. Of course, all within reason.
Quote from: Jack on November 10, 2017, 04:20:57 PM
I thought 4031 was sold earlier this year?
4031 is definitely still parked at the bottom on PN reserve fleet yard.
Quote from: Winston on November 30, 2017, 04:24:23 PM
4031 is definitely still parked at the bottom on PN reserve fleet yard.
It says on its vehicle history it was sold back in February.
Quote from: Jack on November 30, 2017, 07:08:07 PM
It says on its vehicle history it was sold back in February.
It was, but has never been collected.
4067 should be leaving early next week to a new home
Quote from: Tony on November 30, 2017, 07:14:26 PM
It was, but has never been collected.
4067 should be leaving early next week to a new home
Do you know what's happening to 4023?
Quote from: 2206 on November 30, 2017, 07:15:34 PM
Do you know what's happening to 4023?
It has a buyer, another operator, but needs some work before it leaves Hockley
Quote from: Tony on November 30, 2017, 07:16:24 PM
It has a buyer, another operator, but needs some work before it leaves Hockley
Thanks for the info.
Quote from: Tony on November 30, 2017, 07:14:26 PM
It was, but has never been collected.
I'm guessing it will be in a scrapyard soon then! Wasn't 4031 the President that had an arson attack on the Pershore Road back in late 2010? There use to be a video on YouTube, I'm sure it had the green frequency branding for the Pershore Road?
Two more departures from Miller Street today
1462 to Trevor Wigley (found to have too much rot to go into the training fleet)
4067 donated to Birmingham Round Table Breakfast for conversion into a sleeping/cooking/help area for the homeless. I delivered it to a private residence in the outskirts of Stratford upon Avon this afternoon
6023 & 6024 seen on Aston expressway on tow wonder if they are being scarapped now
@Tony
Quote from: Nxwm on December 19, 2017, 10:23:28 AM
6023 & 6024 seen on Aston expressway on tow wonder if they are being scarapped now @Tony
Yes, both off to PVS, two more leaving tomorrow
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2017, 11:38:28 AM
Yes, both off to PVS, two more leaving tomorrow
Looking at the main fleet list - these buses have gone Reserve - sold for scrap without ever being 'withdrawn' ! 54-plates going for scrap seems a bit odd somehow.
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2017, 11:38:28 AM
Yes, both off to PVS, two more leaving tomorrow
That should clear a bit of room at Miller St
Quote from: Winston on December 19, 2017, 04:58:18 PM
That should clear a bit of room at Miller St
They've only managed a modest 12 years in service - not a lot these days (might not even be that long). I'm sure it was five years ago when the 6001-9/11 batch were carted off for scrap after mostly being withdrawn the year before.
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 19, 2017, 05:28:59 PM
They've only managed a modest 12 years in service - not a lot these days (might not even be that long). I'm sure it was five years ago when the 6001-9/11 batch were carted off for scrap after mostly being withdrawn the year before.
The Scania Bendi's have fallen foul of the light weight / fuel efficient revolution, their carrying capacity doesn't stack up compared with their operating costs.
The fact they're being scrapped at 12 years old backs up the above, as no other operator is interested in taking them on.
Quote from: Winston on December 19, 2017, 07:18:27 PM
The Scania Bendi's have fallen foul of the light weight / fuel efficient revolution, their carrying capacity doesn't stack up compared with their operating costs.
The fact they're being scrapped at 12 years old backs up the above, as no other operator is interested in taking them on.
Yes, so it seems. I suspect NXWM have tried to sell them somewhere - but there were no takers! The Coventry Bendibuses have done well to last 14 years, although they must be on their last legs. The Bendy revolution is about to come to an end, don't think fleet numbers 6033-99 are going to see much use!
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 19, 2017, 07:45:37 PM
Yes, so it seems. I suspect NXWM have tried to sell them somewhere - but there were no takers! The Coventry Bendibuses have done well to last 14 years, although they must be on their last legs. The Bendy revolution is about to come to an end, don't think fleet numbers 6033-99 are going to see much use!
I thought they may have ended their days at NX Ops on Stansted Car Park Shuttles or even Heathrow Airport. But emissions & age were always going to be an issue.
The Bendi revolution never took off, it was just an expensive passing fad. There are First Streetcars available for sale £10k still with no takers
You can't beat the good old double decker bus for carrying the masses, I can't see TFWM bendy buses
For hagley rd happening either , if you look up and down the land the case for bendy buses just doesn't stack up , leave them at the airports best place for them.
Quote from: 2900 on December 20, 2017, 12:01:55 PM
You can't beat the good old double decker bus for carrying the masses, I can't see TFWM bendy buses
For hagley rd happening either , if you look up and down the land the case for bendy buses just doesn't stack up , leave them at the airports best place for them.
I agree, if anything they should use high spec double deckers for Sprint, possibly with dual doors. Forget articulated bendi's, complete white elephant
High spec duel door six wheeler deckers now that would be good
If you need to move high volumes then there can only be one answer and that's the tri-axle 12m double decker, it's worked for decades for KMB, NWFB and Citybus in Hong Kong... could be worth thinking about for NX... https://www.flickr.com/photos/66812080@N03/8282541975/in/album-72157627606532614/, First Glasgow use ALX 500's
Enviro 500 MMC or the Wright equivalent. It used to be the Wright Explorer on a B9TL chassis.
Quote from: DavieDD2 on December 20, 2017, 06:02:57 PM
If you need to move high volumes then there can only be one answer and that's the tri-axle 12m double decker, it's worked for decades for KMB, NWFB and Citybus in Hong Kong... could be worth thinking about for NX... https://www.flickr.com/photos/66812080@N03/8282541975/in/album-72157627606532614/, First Glasgow use ALX 500's
The tri axles you refer to that were in Glasgow are now in Aberdeen.
Quote from: markcf83 on December 20, 2017, 06:43:09 PM
The tri axles you refer to that were in Glasgow are now in Aberdeen.
Dual doors majorly reduce the downstairs capacity though.
Quote from: 2900 on December 20, 2017, 12:01:55 PM
You can't beat the good old double decker bus for carrying the masses, I can't see TFWM bendy buses
For hagley rd happening either , if you look up and down the land the case for bendy buses just doesn't stack up , leave them at the airports best place for them.
Quote from: Winston on December 20, 2017, 01:06:19 PM
I agree, if anything they should use high spec double deckers for Sprint, possibly with dual doors. Forget articulated bendi's, complete white elephant
I think its fair to say that the articulated bus models that TfWM were looking at for the Sprint project are leaps and bounds ahead of the bendy-buses we've known.
Sadly I fear as taxpayers money is being involved here, no consideration will be given for 'value for money' and we will probably end up with expensive articulated buses, and as you say a 'white elephant'; its easier to make these kinds of decisions when its someone else's money you're spending.
Guess this would be an appropriate thread for this.
exNXWM Optare Solo (280)
https://flic.kr/p/J5foTB
Looking on Tony's November updates, Dart 3601 has been sold - has that gone for scrap?
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 31, 2017, 10:51:00 AM
Looking on Tony's November updates, Dart 3601 has been sold - has that gone for scrap?
Sure I saw that at Aston Manor, when they did the last Beer & Buses event!
Quote from: Westy on December 31, 2017, 11:12:05 PM
Sure I saw that at Aston Manor, when they did the last Beer & Buses event!
That was preserved 3603. 3601 is in NX red/white livery.
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 31, 2017, 10:51:00 AM
Looking on Tony's November updates, Dart 3601 has been sold - has that gone for scrap?
It's gone for further use. It left under its own steam on 24/11:
Quote from: dave47549 (no longer NEL111P) on January 01, 2018, 12:29:59 AM
It's gone for further use. It left under its own steam on 24/11:
I think it's being turned into a play bus or something like that?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on January 01, 2018, 09:46:26 AM
I think it's being turned into a play bus or something like that?
Looks like it's been turned into a test-piece for black spray cans!
Quote from: The Real 4778 on January 01, 2018, 12:39:07 PM
Looks like it's been turned into a test-piece for black spray cans!
Nah, I'm pretty sure it was left in Tipton overnight, and that's what resulted. :P
With 3601 sold and looking on the latest updates (the sale of ex-Trainers 9023/9315) - is that the last ex Travel London buses to leave the NXWM fleet? I can't think of anymore that were new to (or operated in) London.
4188 left BC end of last week, take by Wigley to Barnsley
6030 & 6031 have gone to PVS this morning
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2018, 11:00:20 AM
6030 & 6031 have gone to PVS this morning
I assume Miller St must be getting pretty empty now with all the recent disposals for scrap?
Will there still be a need for NX to retain both Miller St & Pensnett's Yard for storing the reserve fleet?
4141; 4143; 4145; 4146; 4170 now all in the top yard at Miller Street
It may be necessary to clear Pensnett of withdrawn vehicles if they need to set up charging points for the electric buses for the 120.
I note Scania Bendibuses 6022/32 left for scrap recently - so that type has disappeared from the fleet, in fact just five articulated vehicles remain in service (at Coventry). 6012 went to PVS, and by the sounds of it, 6016 has gone there too.
Are 4141/43/45/46/70 considered withdrawn or in reserve? - sometimes there isn't much difference between the two.
I'm guessing space is being freed up to allow the vehicles ultimately replaced by the 38 new buses and any other changes to be parked up for either spares recovery or resurrection if required - 11 Bendies could = berths for 20 odd normal length buses?
These days quite a number of the reserve buses do end up resurrected back in service but the days of having garages (Lea Hall and Miller St) full of long withdrawn buses which never see service again has long gone I would think.
Eleven bendy buses are about the length of eighteen double deckers if you leave a gap of a foot between them.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on January 17, 2018, 05:10:40 PM
It may be necessary to clear Pensnett of withdrawn vehicles if they need to set up charging points for the electric buses for the 120.
who said Pensnett doing the 120 with electric buses maybe they need charging up inside a garage not on a open yard
West Brom or Birmingham central ??
Quote from: karl724223 on January 17, 2018, 09:24:38 PM
who said Pensnett doing the 120 with electric buses maybe they need charging up inside a garage not on a open yard
Imagine BC somehow became the only garage without standard buses. Standard as in Crimson/Red & White. So Platinums, Hybrids, Electric and maybe even coaches lol.
Quote from: karl724223 on January 17, 2018, 09:24:38 PM
who said Pensnett doing the 120 with electric buses maybe they need charging up inside a garage not on a open yard
Electric charging points don't need to be inside a garage, Go Ahead London's Waterloo depot that houses their entire fleet of fully Electric BYD/ADL E200MMC on former Red Arrow routes 507 & 521 are charged outside. The depot setup of an open plan yard with only a covered engineering bay is very much the same as Pensnett.
https://www.ukpowernetworks.co.uk/internet/en/news-and-press/press-releases/Electric-buses-are-breath-of-fresh-air-for-London.html
More likely they don't trust PN drivers with them :-P
4140 & 4197 have joined the ever growing collection of Tridents at Miller Street
Quote from: Tony on February 09, 2018, 06:48:26 PM
4140 & 4197 have joined the ever growing collection of Tridents at Miller Street
any plans for 4197 depending on inspection
Quote from: karl724223 on February 09, 2018, 07:31:06 PM
any plans for 4197 depending on inspection
Not at the moment
Is this the current location of the first batch (4125-4224) of Tridents dating from 2001? The withdrawn/reserve fleet locations may not be right and I'm assuming 4130/80-81 are all at YW, I have 4164 as reserve ex-WA:
BC = 4148/66/72/76-77/79/83 (7)
CV = 4142/44/90/4203-4/6-23 (23)
PN = 4147/85/98 (3)
WA = 4125/27/54/57/61 (5)
WN = 4132-37/39/50/52-53/60/63/68 (13)
YW = 4130/80-81 (3)
Training Fleet = 4129/31 (2)
Withdrawn/Reserve = 4126(??r)/4140(MS)/4141(MSr)/4143(MSr)/4145(MSr)/4146(MSr)/4149(MSr)/4151(MS)/4155(??r)/4159(MS)/4162(MSr)/4164(??r)/4167(??r)
4169(WN)/4170(MSr)/4171(MS)/4173(??r)/4186(MS)/4187(MS)/4189(MS)/4193(PN)/4194(PN)/4195(PN)/4196(PN)/4197(MS)/4201(MS) (26)
Scrapped/sold (18) :
4174/4188/4199 sold to Trevor Wigley for scrap 1/18
4158/4175/4200/4224 sold to Trevor Wigley for scrap 12/17
4128/4138/4156/4165/4182/4184/4191 sold to PVS, Barnsley for scrap 9/17
4192 donated to Coventry (City) College 9/17
4202/4205 sold to PVS, Barnsley for scrap 8/17
4178 sold to PVS, Barnsley for scrap 12/16
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 09, 2018, 09:38:22 PM
Is this the current location of the first batch (4125-4224) of Tridents dating from 2001? The withdrawn/reserve fleet locations may not be right and I'm assuming 4130/80-81 are all at YW, I have 4164 as reserve ex-WA:
BC = 4148/66/72/76-77/79/83 (7)
CV = 4142/44/90/4203-4/6-23 (23)
PN = 4147/85/98 (3)
WA = 4125/27/54/57/61 (5)
WN = 4132-37/39/50/52-53/60/63/68 (13)
YW = 4130/80-81 (3)
Training Fleet = 4129/31 (2)
Withdrawn/Reserve = 4126(??r)/4140(MS)/4141(MSr)/4143(MSr)/4145(MSr)/4146(MSr)/4149(MSr)/4151(MS)/4155(??r)/4159(MS)/4162(MSr)/4164(??r)/4167(??r)
4169(WN)/4170(MSr)/4171(MS)/4173(??r)/4186(MS)/4187(MS)/4189(MS)/4193(PN)/4194(PN)/4195(PN)/4196(PN)/4197(MS)/4201(MS) (26)
Scrapped/sold (18) :
4174/4188/4199 sold to Trevor Wigley for scrap 1/18
4158/4175/4200/4224 sold to Trevor Wigley for scrap 12/17
4128/4138/4156/4165/4182/4184/4191 sold to PVS, Barnsley for scrap 9/17
4192 donated to Coventry (City) College 9/17
4202/4205 sold to PVS, Barnsley for scrap 8/17
4178 sold to PVS, Barnsley for scrap 12/16
reserve 4181 is back at BC
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 09, 2018, 09:38:22 PM
Is this the current location of the first batch (4125-4224) of Tridents dating from 2001? The withdrawn/reserve fleet locations may not be right and I'm assuming 4130/80-81 are all at YW, I have 4164 as reserve ex-WA:
BC = 4148/66/72/76-77/79/83 (7)
CV = 4142/44/90/4203-4/6-23 (23)
PN = 4147/85/98 (3)
WA = 4125/27/54/57/61 (5)
WN = 4132-37/39/50/52-53/60/63/68 (13)
YW = 4130/80-81 (3)
Training Fleet = 4129/31 (2)
Withdrawn/Reserve = 4126(??r)/4140(MS)/4141(MSr)/4143(MSr)/4145(MSr)/4146(MSr)/4149(MSr)/4151(MS)/4155(??r)/4159(MS)/4162(MSr)/4164(??r)/4167(??r)
4169(WN)/4170(MSr)/4171(MS)/4173(??r)/4186(MS)/4187(MS)/4189(MS)/4193(PN)/4194(PN)/4195(PN)/4196(PN)/4197(MS)/4201(MS) (26)
Scrapped/sold (18) :
4174/4188/4199 sold to Trevor Wigley for scrap 1/18
4158/4175/4200/4224 sold to Trevor Wigley for scrap 12/17
4128/4138/4156/4165/4182/4184/4191 sold to PVS, Barnsley for scrap 9/17
4192 donated to Coventry (City) College 9/17
4202/4205 sold to PVS, Barnsley for scrap 8/17
4178 sold to PVS, Barnsley for scrap 12/16
4169 moved to top yard at PN yesterday.
Quote from: paulb1973 on February 09, 2018, 09:38:22 PM
Is this the current location of the first batch (4125-4224) of Tridents dating from 2001? The withdrawn/reserve fleet locations may not be right and I'm assuming 4130/80-81 are all at YW, I have 4164 as reserve ex-WA:
BC = 4148/66/72/76-77/79/83 (7)
CV = 4142/44/90/4203-4/6-23 (23)
PN = 4147/85/98 (3)
WA = 4125/27/54/57/61 (5)
WN = 4132-37/39/50/52-53/60/63/68 (13)
YW = 4130/80-81 (3)
Training Fleet = 4129/31 (2)
Withdrawn/Reserve = 4126(??r)/4140(MS)/4141(MSr)/4143(MSr)/4145(MSr)/4146(MSr)/4149(MSr)/4151(MS)/4155(??r)/4159(MS)/4162(MSr)/4164(??r)/4167(??r)
4169(WN)/4170(MSr)/4171(MS)/4173(??r)/4186(MS)/4187(MS)/4189(MS)/4193(PN)/4194(PN)/4195(PN)/4196(PN)/4197(MS)/4201(MS) (26)
Scrapped/sold (18) :
4174/4188/4199 sold to Trevor Wigley for scrap 1/18
4158/4175/4200/4224 sold to Trevor Wigley for scrap 12/17
4128/4138/4156/4165/4182/4184/4191 sold to PVS, Barnsley for scrap 9/17
4192 donated to Coventry (City) College 9/17
4202/4205 sold to PVS, Barnsley for scrap 8/17
4178 sold to PVS, Barnsley for scrap 12/16
4126; 4155; 4164 are parked at Walsall
4167 is still in service at Walsall
4173 is parked at Pensnett
Thanks for the updates (will amend my notes) - seems CV has the largest collection of the early batch including all the remaining 42xx ones. I assume 4201 isn't coming back.
Morning are any of these earlier vehicles in service on a Sunday on the WN/WA/PN routes?
Thanks,
Dave
What I meant say was are there any ALX types out on a Sunday in the Black Country!?
Thanks
Dave
All the non compliant y reg tridents to go by July?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 17, 2018, 09:05:46 AM
All the non compliant y reg tridents to go by July?
What are you on about now? What non-compliant Y reg Tridents?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 17, 2018, 09:05:46 AM
All the non compliant y reg tridents to go by July?
Why are they non compliant, and why July?
Quote from: BN on February 17, 2018, 09:34:11 AM
Why are they non compliant, and why July?
You won't be able to run them into Solihull from July
@BN, oh hang on yours don't go anywhere near Solihull
Quote from: Tony on February 17, 2018, 09:36:10 AM
You won't be able to run them into Solihull from July @BN, oh hang on yours don't go anywhere near Solihull
Ah, that's where i'm obviously not up to speed unlike the knowledgeable Trident 4194. All WN vehicles are compliant for WN in September.
Quote from: BN on February 17, 2018, 10:08:21 AM
Ah, that's where i'm obviously not up to speed unlike the knowledgeable Trident 4194. All WN vehicles are compliant for WN in September.
Is Wolverhampton going to be a Euro 3 zone?
Solihull is currently Euro 3 isn't it?
Quote from: BN on February 17, 2018, 10:08:21 AM
Ah, that's where i'm obviously not up to speed unlike the knowledgeable Trident 4194. All WN vehicles are compliant for WN in September.
That's great news. Apologies I don't know where all the locations these stupid rules are being applied to
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 17, 2018, 10:15:52 AM
That's great news. Apologies I don't know where all the locations these stupid rules are being applied to
I don't think the rules are stupid, but I agree it's a little disappointing when types are barred from a Euro zone. I was disappointed when B'ham went Euro 3 in Jan 2013, meant the Presidents, Merc's, B10's and B6's were barred.
Quote from: Jack on February 17, 2018, 10:18:22 AM
I don't think the rules are stupid, but I agree it's a little disappointing when types are barred from a Euro zone. I was disappointed when B'ham went Euro 3 in Jan 2013, meant the Presidents, Merc's, B10's and B6's were barred.
When we leave the EU does this mean the euro rules will no longer apply?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 17, 2018, 10:32:41 AM
When we leave the EU does this mean the euro rules will no longer apply?
Nope. We're not just gonna reverse all EU laws that apply in this country. The most likely outcome will be that all EU law will be transferred into British law, as it's going to be a legislative nightmare if we don't. I don't want to risk this thread descending into political ramblings, so let's just leave it on that the Euro emissions rules will still apply, and possibly even newer standards could also be introduced here, but someone more knowledgable in the industry would be able to tell you more.
Quote from: Jack on February 17, 2018, 10:15:45 AM
Is Wolverhampton going to be a Euro 3 zone?
Solihull is currently Euro 3 isn't it?
Yes and yes.
Quote from: Dom on February 18, 2018, 02:46:50 PM
Yes and yes.
It must have been said loads of times already now, but just to clarify. Is Solihull going Euro 4 or Euro 5 in July?
Quote from: MW on February 18, 2018, 04:04:50 PM
It must have been said loads of times already now, but just to clarify. Is Solihull going Euro 4 or Euro 5 in July?
I believe it's euro 4, not 100% on that though if I'm honest.
Quote from: Dom on February 18, 2018, 04:15:29 PM
I believe it's euro 4, not 100% on that though if I'm honest.
Yeah it must be, having thought about it. I don't think it'd be stricter than Birmingham. It's still 4 in Birmingham right?
Quote from: Dom on February 18, 2018, 04:15:29 PM
I believe it's euro 4, not 100% on that though if I'm honest.
Quote from: Stu on August 26, 2017, 10:24:42 AM
The Solihull AQPS document can be downloaded from the TfWM website:
https://www.tfwm.org.uk/strategy/bus-alliance/
As Tony has stated, the minimum initial requirement is Euro 3, from July 2018 it will be Euro 4. (see Schedule B, section 2.3)
See the sections 2.6, 2.7 and 2.10, on vehicle displays, presentation and driver standards. This is where the smaller operators will have to be upping their game.
These zones they are creating.
They are giving the likes of NX chance to sort out the fleet before imposing a date surely?
For example, Walsall is not suddenly going to get a load of non compliant elsewhere vehicles dumped on them & have several of their fleet moved out, just because they happened to be compliant elsewhere?
Quote from: Westy on February 18, 2018, 09:57:21 PM
These zones they are creating.
They are giving the likes of NX chance to sort out the fleet before imposing a date surely?
For example, Walsall is not suddenly going to get a load of non compliant elsewhere vehicles dumped on them & have several of their fleet moved out, just because they happened to be compliant elsewhere?
Companies are only first informed a day before it happens...
Of course they're given time to prepare for it!
Quote from: Dom on February 19, 2018, 07:59:50 AM
Companies are only first informed a day before it happens...
Of course they're given time to prepare for it!
At least a couple of years, which gives companies time to assess their needs, and apply for funding for traps etc which is where the funding that has just been granted comes from.
Each operator has given a costing to TfWM on needs to meet the emissions rules. TfWM bundle these up in one bid to the Government and they decide how much to grant
Quote from: Tony on December 14, 2017, 07:15:57 PM
Two more departures from Miller Street today
1462 to Trevor Wigley (found to have too much rot to go into the training fleet)
4067 donated to Birmingham Round Table Breakfast for conversion into a sleeping/cooking/help area for the homeless. I delivered it to a private residence in the outskirts of Stratford upon Avon this afternoon
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/double-decker-bus-destined-scrapheap-14406349
Former 4102 plaxton president B7TL
While on the 87 near Oldbury I noticed a purple placky in my mirrors it came from diamonds tividale garage, when I got to Oldbury retail park it over took me, I thought very eye catching all over purple paintwork with vamooz as the brand on the side or summat like that. Any ideas folks
@2900 - The Green Bus, see their thread, Winston
Thanks winston,wasn't aware greenbus was operating so many former TWM plackys
It's a Blazefield brand so must be one of those that went to Yorkshire.
Quote from: Stevo on March 28, 2018, 06:07:03 PM
It's a Blazefield brand so must be one of those that went to Yorkshire.
Vamooz is a Blazefield brand & concept, however, it is being adopted by other operators i.e. The Green Bus + Reading Buses
That President never went to Yorkshire
Quote from: Stevo on March 28, 2018, 06:07:03 PM
It's a Blazefield brand so must be one of those that went to Yorkshire.
Vamooz partner with a number of companies including Reading Buses. These are Green Bus buses, not Transdev examples:
https://mobile.twitter.com/the_green_bus?lang=en
EDIT: sorry Winston, beat me to it
Just seen a photo of de-roofed 4391 at Walsall. A comment on Facebook has suggested that the front of 4391 will be used to repair damaged 4601...
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 05, 2018, 06:54:43 PM
Just seen a photo of de-roofed 4391 at Walsall. A comment on Facebook has suggested that the front of 4391 will be used to repair damaged 4601...
Don't mind me asking
@Michael Bevan, but wthat actually happened to 4601?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 05, 2018, 06:54:43 PM
Just seen a photo of de-roofed 4391 at Walsall. A comment on Facebook has suggested that the front of 4391 will be used to repair damaged 4601...
Anything you see 'Frank' post I can guarantee you is correct information
Quote from: Tony on April 05, 2018, 07:21:06 PM
Anything you see 'Frank' post I can guarantee you is correct information
honest guv it was on face book and I had to report it😂
Quote from: Tony on April 05, 2018, 07:21:06 PM
Anything you see 'Frank' post I can guarantee you is correct information
makes sense, and a good bit of recycling to boot lol ;-)
Quote from: 2206 on March 18, 2018, 04:26:37 PM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/double-decker-bus-destined-scrapheap-14406349
NXWM are donating free emergency bus tickets to the homeless.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/national-express-west-midlands-homeless-14498718
http://nxbus.co.uk/west-midlands/news/helping-mayors-homelessness-task-force
Quote from: Jack on April 05, 2018, 07:17:58 PM
Don't mind me asking @Michael Bevan, but wthat actually happened to 4601?
It was involved in an RTC with a council van and car on Stafford Street a few weeks ago.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on April 06, 2018, 03:17:58 PM
It was involved in an RTC with a council van and car on Stafford Street a few weeks ago.
Thanks for the response - shame it had be one of the 46** involved, The Ex-529 Tridents are beasts! At least it won't be withdrawn, nice too see 4391 being a donor, even though 4391 was an absolute horrible Trident to ride.
Is there going to be disposals in this month?
Edit:
Thanks for the update.
Quote from: Sayeed on April 06, 2018, 08:38:12 PM
Is there going to be disposals in this month?
Nothing left in March or so far this month
4171, 4201, 4248 & 4261 have all arrived at Pensnett reserve fleet yard & are parked down the bottom with the last few Presidents.
*edit*
9959 now also at PN reserve fleet yard, parked next to the Excel.
Quote from: Winston on April 13, 2018, 02:13:11 PM
4171, 4201, 4248 & 4261 have all arrived at Pensnett reserve fleet yard & are parked down the bottom with the last few Presidents.
*edit*
9959 now also at PN reserve fleet yard, parked next to the Excel.
4151 & 4233 should be there as well
Quote from: Tony on April 16, 2018, 02:21:07 PM
4151 & 4233 should be there as well
I think there are more, but I can't ID them through the fence.
Quote from: Tony on April 16, 2018, 02:21:07 PM
4151 & 4233 should be there as well
4132 made it there today also.
Seven of the Tridents at Miller Street are being sold for further use.
Trident 4194 will live on
Quote from: Tony on May 09, 2018, 02:04:55 PM
Seven of the Tridents at Miller Street are being sold for further use.
Trident 4194 will live on
Bet that's disappointing news for you
4149; 4162; 4193; 4194; 4195; 4196; 4197 are all going for further use.
4130 will be a charity donation
4158 a driver trainer
4168 is being kept for another trainer if needed
Boss, are you sure on 4158? Could it be 4159 instead?
4158 a driver trainer
You had the following listed for Dec 2017 fleetchanges:
4158; 4175; 4200; 4224 sold to Wigley for scrap
Quote from: Winston on May 09, 2018, 05:51:01 PM
Boss, are you sure on 4158? Could it be 4159 instead?
4158 a driver trainer
You had the following listed for Dec 2017 fleetchanges:
4158; 4175; 4200; 4224 sold to Wigley for scrap
Need to check that one, not sure why I wrote that number down
Have green bus purchased them?
Quote from: Tony on May 09, 2018, 06:06:57 PM
Need to check that one, not sure why I wrote that number down
Think I'm right in saying 4168 is already at MS - 4157 (and the aforementioned 4158) seems to be spare too.
4135 WN-Withdrawn.
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on May 09, 2018, 07:48:28 PM
Have green bus purchased them?
They are marked "GB" so that looks highly likely
4133, 4134 now withdrawn.
Quote from: Tony on November 30, 2017, 07:16:24 PM
It has a buyer, another operator, but needs some work before it leaves Hockley
Is it still going to the buyer?
Is it likely to leave Hockley any time soon?
Disappointed about this one, 4136 now withdrawn.
Quote from: BN on June 04, 2018, 06:59:45 PM
Disappointed about this one, 4136 now withdrawn.
A real shame, one of my favourites when it was at Walsall. :o
Quote from: BN on June 04, 2018, 06:59:45 PM
Disappointed about this one, 4136 now withdrawn.
Sad news to read, 4136 was one of my favourites for years. I guess based on how you worded it, something happened to 4136,
@BN?
Quote from: P419 EJW on June 05, 2018, 08:05:02 PM
Sad news to read, 4136 was one of my favourites for years. I guess based on how you worded it, something happened to 4136, @BN?
Engine gone.
Quote from: BN on June 06, 2018, 08:43:18 PM
Engine gone.
That won't help its performance.
Quote from: The Real 4778 on June 09, 2018, 09:45:38 AM
That won't help its performance.
Will help its emissions though
WHAT HAPPENED TO 4781 THAT ITS BEEN SCRAPED ALREADY?
@JIM C https://www.expressandstar.com/news/2017/09/25/tragedy-on-black-country-roads/
Quote from: JIM C on June 09, 2018, 10:48:13 PM
WHAT HAPPENED TO 4781 THAT ITS BEEN SCRAPED ALREADY?
Involved in a serious RTC
Quote from: JIM C on June 09, 2018, 10:48:13 PM
WHAT HAPPENED TO 4781 THAT ITS BEEN SCRAPED ALREADY?
Involved in a RTC a while back
Quote from: JIM C on June 09, 2018, 10:48:13 PM
WHAT HAPPENED TO 4781 THAT ITS BEEN SCRAPED ALREADY?
@JIM C
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/2017/09/25/tragedy-on-black-country-roads/
The front platform was written off completely, shame it wasn't an E200 :(
Thanks for the info.
Quote from: JIM C on June 09, 2018, 10:48:13 PM
WHAT HAPPENED TO 4781 THAT ITS BEEN SCRAPED ALREADY?
It was involved in a nasty scrape ;)
Quote from: The Real 4778 on June 10, 2018, 04:44:10 PM
It was involved in a nasty scrape ;)
NX didn't want to spend money repairing it - if it was an E400 then I'm sure they would of fixed it!
Quote from: Jack on June 10, 2018, 04:59:05 PM
NX didn't want to spend money repairing it - if it was an E400 then I'm sure they would of fixed it!
Perhaps you know all the details of the damage then do you?
Quote from: Tony on June 10, 2018, 05:04:01 PM
Perhaps you know all the details of the damage then do you?
Can't say I do, I've seen worse on older vehicles which have been fixed.
Quote from: Jack on June 10, 2018, 05:14:13 PM
Can't say I do, I've seen worse on older vehicles which have been fixed.
Such as?
Quote from: Dom on June 10, 2018, 05:16:38 PM
Such as?
4520. The whole cab was destroyed and still got repaired, 4781's cab was still mainly intact.
Quote from: Jack on June 10, 2018, 05:18:56 PM
4520. The whole cab was destroyed and still got repaired, 4781's cab was still mainly intact.
4520 is in a fleet with of over 150 Geminis plus parts are still very easily accessible where as there was a handful of omnicities with some of the parts that may be required are not very easy to find for such an old and rare type of vehicle. Surely common sense would tell you that!
Quote from: Jack on June 10, 2018, 05:18:56 PM
4520. The whole cab was destroyed and still got repaired, 4781's cab was still mainly intact.
4781's cab wasn't intact the impact even managed to ripple the offside panel behind the cab. There was actally very little of the cab where it should be on 4781.
BN reported on 29th May that 4133 and 4134 have been withdrawn but they are not in the May changes. Are they withdrawn?
Quote from: Eric Shaw on June 10, 2018, 08:39:43 PM
BN reported on 29th May that 4133 and 4134 have been withdrawn but they are not in the May changes. Are they withdrawn?
Yes
Look out for 4133/4/6 on the road next week.
Quote from: BN on June 21, 2018, 07:11:30 PM
Look out for 4133/4/6 on the road next week.
Due in BC tonight.
Quote from: BN on June 26, 2018, 10:08:38 PM
Due in BC tonight.
4133 at WA
4134 at BC
4136 just going down the Aston Expressway to BC
Quote from: Tony on June 26, 2018, 10:16:58 PM
4133 at WA
4134 at BC
4136 just going down the Aston Expressway to BC
are these for the cricket at Edgebaston
4136 back at WN, Saw on the 2 this morning
Quote from: Busman Jamie on June 28, 2018, 08:40:13 PM
4136 back at WN, Saw on the 2 this morning
Will stay at WN as cover for the Hybrids going to Dundee
Quote from: Tony on June 28, 2018, 09:06:48 PM
Will stay at WN as cover for the Hybrids going to Dundee
How come they are going to Dundee
4206; 4215; 4216; 4227; 4231; 4260 have all died
Quote from: Tony on August 08, 2018, 02:01:55 PM
4206; 4215; 4216; 4227; 4231; 4260 have all died
Has Volvo B7TL 4252 gone recently as well? (I did have that one at AG). I assume with the summer reductions at CV currently, three further withdrawals will be ok.
Edit: 4252 has been withdrawn, looking on Tony's updates.
From a post on Facebook, it looks like 4126 will be entering preservation.
4207 is the latest to die
Quote from: Tony on August 22, 2018, 07:38:48 PM
4207 is the latest to die
Rip 4207 you have Been a great help to this company of running services
Quote from: Alex on August 22, 2018, 07:23:03 PM
From a post on Facebook, it looks like 4126 will be entering preservation.
Will be the first NXWM Trident to enter preservation... ;)
Quote from: Michael Bevan on August 22, 2018, 09:06:25 PM
Will be the first NXWM Trident to enter preservation... ;)
You might think I'm a bit dumb but what does preservation mean
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on August 22, 2018, 09:27:19 PM
You might think I'm a bit dumb but what does preservation mean
If you go on google and look up the definition of preserve, it will tell you it means to keep something alive or in existance.
Preservation means the activity of keeping something alive and in existence.
Quote from: 2206 on August 22, 2018, 09:50:48 PM
If you go on google and look up the definition of preserve, it will tell you it means to keep something alive or in existance.
Preservation means the activity of keeping something alive and in existence.
Ok ill do that next time and thanks
4126 is going to 2 Walsall drivers one of which I have on my friends list on Facebook.
Quote from: Martin on August 22, 2018, 11:24:09 PM
4126 is going to 2 Walsall drivers one of which I have on my friends list on Facebook.
Given the circumstances behind the reason why the couple want to preserve a Walsall Trident, it's nice to hear they've managed to get one! Well once all the paperwork is sorted anyway.
Has 4155 been reinstated? I saw it on the 41 yesterday and the its marked down as reserve.
Quote from: Jack on September 01, 2018, 10:32:45 AM
Has 4155 been reinstated? I saw it on the 41 yesterday and the its marked down as reserve.
Out on the 89 today
Quote from: Tony on May 09, 2018, 04:19:05 PM
4149; 4162; 4193; 4194; 4195; 4196; 4197 are all going for further use.
So, are these going to stay at MS?
Just passed 4106 still in NX livery going in opposite direction on A52 east of Nottingham with Sharpes of Nottingham on destination complete with fleetnumbers!
4214 was being towed down the Coventry Road into Birmingham, following directly behind 6848 (on the X2) between Sheldon Wheatsheaf and Yardley, Swan earlier this afternoon.
Came straight over the junction at Sheldon Wheatsheaf from the direction of Birmingham Airport and then followed 6848 from Sheldon Wheatsheaf to Yardley, Swan, where it went under the underpass heading towards Birmingham City Centre.
Seen between 16:30 and 16:40 this afternoon.
Does anyone know if 4214 has been withdrawn and if it was it heading to Miller Street, or was it heading there for another reason?
4204 and 4209 are withdrawn and are currently parked at Pensnett
4213 and 4214 arec also withdrawn and currently parked at MS
Been told from a reliable source that 4417 has been withdrawn.
Quote from: Jack on September 19, 2018, 05:15:21 PM
Been told from a reliable source that 4417 has been withdrawn.
RIP 4417 you've have served national express Coventry well
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on September 19, 2018, 06:12:02 PM
RIP 4417 you've have served national express Coventry well
Well the person that does the transfers hasn't been told that yet!
Quote from: Tony on September 19, 2018, 06:15:40 PM
Well the person that does the transfers hasn't been told that yet!
Ok 4417 must not be in use then until if I gets withdrawn
Quote from: Jack on September 19, 2018, 05:15:21 PM
Been told from a reliable source that 4417 has been withdrawn.
4417 was dumped at the back of Coventry garage, infront of 4207, on Friday and looked as if it was being used for spares with a couple of easily replaced bits missing.
Pensnett seems to have some additions for the reserve fleet yard inc 4140 & 4146 + possibly NXC 4206?
There's also 2 x Tridents on NXWM livery parked facing the facing in the top right-hand corner of the main depot yard - I assume withdrawn?
Cov 4211 which is listed as still in service - appears to be at Miller St (pic on Flickr). So I assume that one is now withdrawn/in reserve.
seen a pic on another group today of a trident on M42 on its way to pvs fleetnumbers painted out anyone any idea what it is there was a cov one last week too ?
Quote from: cris 99 on October 11, 2018, 09:03:43 AM
seen a pic on another group today of a trident on M42 on its way to pvs fleetnumbers painted out anyone any idea what it is there was a cov one last week too ?
I guess the Cov Trident will be one of 4204/6-7/9/13-16 (4206 has possibly made a recent appearance at Pensnett so probably not that one). There was some debate on Facebook as to whether it could have been 4216, but no confirmation of that.
Been sent a photo, within the past hour or so, of 6015 & 6021 together.
The pair have seemingly made their way down to the West Country, and were photographed at SPS (Somerset Passenger Solutions); based in Bridgwater. There are speculations that they may pass onto First Bus, though I'm not certain of this.
Quote from: CL on October 13, 2018, 08:53:04 PM
There are speculations that they may pass onto First Bus, though I'm not certain of this.
Probably just some confusion over the ownership of SPS. Somerset Passenger Solutions was a joint operation between now ceased Crosville and First but I think it's just a separate company now, with links to First Edit: they are a part of First :P
That seems logical as they haven't went for double deckers yet, I assume height restrictions, so artics would surely be the best option, just new ones are probably quite pricey
Quote from: CL on October 13, 2018, 08:53:04 PM
Been sent a photo, within the past hour or so, of 6015 & 6021 together.
The pair have seemingly made their way down to the West Country, and were photographed at SPS (Somerset Passenger Solutions); based in Bridgwater. There are speculations that they may pass onto First Bus, though I'm not certain of this.
SPS is First. NX sold them to Dawson Group who have leased or sold them to First for possible use on internal shuttles at the Nuclear Plant SPS serves
Ok, so I see. :P Cheers for the information,
@Dylanbusboy45 @Tony
4193 lives on
https://mailchi.mp/3f20747cbffb/mayor-opens-brand-new-training-academy-in-birmingham?e=c971d0a61a
Quote from: V89MOA on September 23, 2018, 01:14:12 PM
4417 was dumped at the back of Coventry garage, infront of 4207, on Friday and looked as if it was being used for spares with a couple of easily replaced bits missing.
Load of rubbish. 4417 is currently out on the 10.
Quote from: lauren1993 on October 16, 2018, 10:12:10 PM
Load of rubbish. 4417 is currently out on the 10.
No it wasn't a load of rubbish at all, get your facts right, that was nearly a month ago now and seeing as I said 'easily replaceable' it's perfectly reasonable it would be back in use by now...
Quote from: V89MOA on October 16, 2018, 11:06:21 PM
No it wasn't a load of rubbish at all, get your facts right, that was nearly a month ago now and seeing as I said 'easily replaceable' it's perfectly reasonable it would be back in use by now...
This post was more aimed at the person who said they've been told 4417 has been withdrawn. Their source can't be that reliable. Apologies.
4133 RRR-Withdrawn. Being used as a donor bus.
Quote from: BN on October 18, 2018, 06:47:26 PM
4133 RRR-Withdrawn. Being used as a donor bus.
4183 RRR-withdrawn as well after an RTC
Quote from: paulb1973 on October 10, 2018, 03:07:58 PM
Cov 4211 which is listed as still in service - appears to be at Miller St (pic on Flickr). So I assume that one is now withdrawn/in reserve.
After reading this about 4211 and later seeing the photo of it standing in Miller Street, i was quite shocked to see the very mentioned Bus (4211) in Town here late tonight, out in service on the 7 route to Brownshill Green !!!! (Was a nice surprise to have, seeing that old Bus still here !).
Its made a quick comeback!? I assume a replacement for 4203.
I reckon you could possibly be right there on that Paul, as 4211 i assume must have gone over to Miller Street and into the reserve fleet, but due to the unexpected sudden demise of 4203, was then like you say, quickly reinstated back home to Cov again to replace it ? If this does happen to be true about 4211, then i must say a big thank you to the person (or persons ?) responsible for having this Bus reinstated, as it's nice whenever something like that happens, although it's still a shame about 4203 though and what sadly happened to it !!!!
Quote from: Coventry Transport Dude on October 20, 2018, 02:23:21 AM
I reckon you could possibly be right there on that Paul, as 4211 i assume must have gone over to Miller Street and into the reserve fleet, but due to the unexpected sudden demise of 4203, was then like you say, quickly reinstated back home to Cov again to replace it ? If this does happen to be true about 4211, then i must say a big thank you to the person (or persons ?) responsible for having this Bus reinstated, as it's nice whenever something like that happens, although it's still a shame about 4203 though and what sadly happened to it !!!!
It was never withdrawn. Buses go to Miller Street for attention as well. 4323 is there at the moment
Quote from: Tony on October 20, 2018, 06:12:14 AM
It was never withdrawn. Buses go to Miller Street for attention as well. 4323 is there at the moment
"THANK YOU" for clearing that up Tony regarding 4211, as it's much appreciated ! I never knew that about Buses going for repair over at Miller Street, as i always got the impression that it was the place where Buses venture to, so as to either go into reserve, or to wait for the scrap men to come and collect them ??? (It's always good to learn and so thanks again for that !).
Just seen this on Flickr, does anyone know which Trident it was? It was taken on 10th October 2018.
https://flic.kr/p/PLU1Y7
Quote from: P419 EJW on October 23, 2018, 01:24:38 PM
Just seen this on Flickr, does anyone know which Trident it was? It was taken on 10th October 2018.
https://flic.kr/p/PLU1Y7
Could be 4186. See the same mark above the upper deck front window on the top pic
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4186.html
Quote from: John on October 23, 2018, 01:57:13 PM
Could be 4186. See the same mark above the upper deck front window on the top pic
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4001-4224/4186.html
Hmm, possibly! Thanks,
@John.
Quote from: Tony on October 13, 2018, 09:01:32 PM
SPS is First. NX sold them to Dawson Group who have leased or sold them to First for possible use on internal shuttles at the Nuclear Plant SPS serves
When did the 6 x Citaro Bendi's get sold to Dawson Group?
As there's no disposal recorded for them / they are still showing on the NXWM fleetlist as withdrawn.
Quote from: Winston on November 15, 2018, 09:23:59 PM
When did the 6 x Citaro Bendi's get sold to Dawson Group?
As there's no disposal recorded for them / they are still showing on the NXWM fleetlist as withdrawn.
Tony, was possibly only referring to two of them (6015/21 I think). Perhaps the other four remain under NX ownership. I guess he'll update us.
Is 1461 still at Miller Street, as it was there as of February according to a photo on the main site?
Quote from: StourValley98 on December 04, 2018, 01:59:34 AM
Is 1461 still at Miller Street, as it was there as of February according to a photo on the main site?
Yeah, 1461 is still at Miller Street. Someone pictured it on 30th November 2018. Photo credit to West Midlands Travel Photos: https://flic.kr/p/2dhvtcH
Tony has updated the remaining Bendi's - they have all gone (6014/17-18/20 for scrap during 11/18) so that ends that little chapter in history.
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 04, 2018, 02:58:53 PM
Tony has updated the remaining Bendi's - they have all gone (6014/17-18/20 for scrap during 11/18) so that ends that little chapter in history.
Any idea at all Paul, where these four Cov Bendi-buses have been stored since they left Wheatley Street Garage (which was some time ago now !), up until they sadly made their final journey up to PVS in Barnsley last month ?
Quote from: Coventry Transport Dude on December 04, 2018, 03:44:02 PM
Any idea at all Paul, where these four Cov Bendi-buses have been stored since they left Wheatley Street Garage (which was some time ago now !), up until they sadly made their final journey up to PVS in Barnsley last month ?
Stansted Airport
"THANK YOU" Tony for answering that, as it's very much appreciated !!!!!!!
Quote from: Tony on December 04, 2018, 03:47:11 PM
Stansted Airport
Somehow appropriate as I thinkBoris Johnson said of the London artics that they were best suited to an airport in Helsinki.
When the 'Y' Plate are withdrawn (and other early 2000's plates) from NXWM service are they being sold on for further use with other operators or sold on for spares, or used by NXWM for spares before being scrapped?
I only ask as when I lived in Birmingham previously and since with many visits, I have seen the entire fleet up to 14 plates (haven't been up that much since then) so from the prospective of viewing I am not too bothered, but I now do haulage, so if they are being sold for scrap I would like to get them before they leave, if they are moving on to pastures new, I might be able to track them down at a later date.
I shall be moving back to Brum end of Feb begin of March next year, so my main aim is to bash as much of the older stuff before it is removed, not too bothered about the newer stuff straight away as it will be around for sometime (unless it comes a cropper)
Any info would be useful.
I am guessing spare components, like engines and gearboxes will be salvaged before sale to the scrapman. They generally don't sell on buses when finished.
hardly any tridents have been sold on yet a few have been donated but most have gone via miller st to be stripped of valuable parts and then sent to barnsley
Plenty of Presidents have been sold on for further use
Remember you do actually need buyers.
Poor 4329 - shame she was one of the first 51/02 Plate Tridents to go :(
Quote from: Jack on December 20, 2018, 06:56:15 PM
Poor 4329 - shame she was one of the first 51/02 Plate Tridents to go :(
A number of 02 plate Tridents havs already gone a while. 4336, 4341 & 4355.
Quote from: Nathan on December 20, 2018, 08:09:29 PM
A number of 02 plate Tridents havs already gone a while. 4336, 4341 & 4355.
Well... 4329 didn't end her life with a fire, so technically she's one of the first that haven't ended their lives after having a fire...
Quote from: Nathan on December 20, 2018, 08:09:29 PM
A number of 02 plate Tridents havs already gone a while. 4336, 4341 & 4355.
Don't forget 4343 which died of natural causes as well before 4329
Quote from: Tony on December 20, 2018, 09:07:02 PM
Don't forget 4343 which died of natural causes as well before 4329
Ah yes, forgot about those two
Afternoon! I'm new posting here just have a couple of questions when the buses reach end of life. I found this site about a month ago and have been hooked!!
First, i've seen some pictures with red stickers in the window when they are sat after being withdrawn. Are these ones destined for scrap or do they get repaired? Also what does the sticker actually say! Can he hard to see on the pics!
Secondly, How come some can be sat as withdrawn for a while and then bought back into main use? Do they get maintained when they are withdrawn so can be reinstated?
Sorry if they sound daft questions i'm really interested.
Thanks :)
Quote from: dh06180618 on December 24, 2018, 01:56:56 PM
Afternoon! I'm new posting here just have a couple of questions when the buses reach end of life. I found this site about a month ago and have been hooked!!
First, i've seen some pictures with red stickers in the window when they are sat after being withdrawn. Are these ones destined for scrap or do they get repaired? Also what does the sticker actually say! Can he hard to see on the pics!
Secondly, How come some can be sat as withdrawn for a while and then bought back into main use? Do they get maintained when they are withdrawn so can be reinstated?
Sorry if they sound daft questions i'm really interested.
Thanks :)
The red stickers say something like "Do not start. Do not use" - they are put on buses not to be used "of the road" I think. I think, I recall seeing some of them on the Presidents when they were on the 11.
I think the current position of withdrawn/reserve fleet is
BC - 4143
WA - 1589; 4154; 4164
WB -4304
WN - 4343
CV - 4220; 4222
PN - 1427; 4031; 4032; 4065; 4066; 4067; 4068; 4073; 4132; 4135; 4146; 4169; 4170; 4171; 4180; 4198; 4201; 4204; 4206; 4207; 4209; 4210; 4215; 4223; 4248; 4256; 4261; 4305; 4329
MS - 1461; 1689; 4133; 4137; 4139; 4141; 4144; 4145; 4149; 4157; 4159; 4162; 4167; 4183; 4194; 4196; 4197; 4212; 4234; 4242; 4260; 4299; 4302; 4543
Green Bus - 4023
Quote from: 2206 on December 24, 2018, 02:02:45 PM
The red stickers say something like "Do not start. Do not use" - they are put on buses not to be used "of the road" I think. I think, I recall seeing some of them on the Presidents when they were on the 11.
They are not used anymore. Only yellow steering wheel covers are used now to show a bus is defective
where did 4213/4214 go i did see them at miller st a few weeks ago
Big move around at Pensnett today, so anyone who looks through the fence might think so buses have gone. Nothing has left yet and only arrival this year so far is 4296, but all the next batch to go to PVS have been put where it is easy to latch them up to the truck
Has 4373 been withdrawn at CV?
Quote from: 4369Beast on January 14, 2019, 08:54:55 PM
Has 4373 been withdrawn at CV?
I presume you have just read that on Facebook?
Did you notice who posted it? Me, so yes!
I seen it on facebook yh, but I saw it on "Coventry & Warwickshire Bus Pics". I didn't see you had posted it otherwise I wouldn't have asked sorry Tony. :)
Quote from: 4369Beast on January 14, 2019, 09:23:48 PM
I seen it on facebook yh, but I saw it on "Coventry & Warwickshire Bus Pics". I didn't see you had posted it otherwise I wouldn't have asked sorry Tony. :)
I'd omly posted it on the WMPTE page a couple of minutes before you asked, someone was quick copying it
Quote from: 4369Beast on January 14, 2019, 09:23:48 PM
I seen it on facebook yh, but I saw it on "Coventry & Warwickshire Bus Pics". I didn't see you had posted it otherwise I wouldn't have asked sorry Tony. :)
You need to spread your wings and join other WM-related Facebook groups! ;)
According to a post on Instagram is it true
@Tony 4179 has been withdrawn
Quote from: SK68MEV on January 15, 2019, 09:19:35 PM
According to a post on Instagram is it true @Tony 4179 has been withdrawn
Not yet. Is due to go anytime
Quote from: Tony on January 15, 2019, 09:45:04 PM
Not yet. Is due to go anytime
ok thanks for clarifying
Saw 4267 and 4303 being driven through Pensnett, no doubt heading for the graveyard. Looks like 6118 was ready for collection by AG at the depot.
4304 also now at Pensnett
4155's last day was yesterday on the 77. Defects found on its four weekly inspection this morning have finished it off
Quote from: Tony on January 16, 2019, 07:12:57 PM
4304 also now at Pensnett
4155's last day was yesterday on the 77. Defects found on its four weekly inspection this morning have finished it off
4304 is still at WB not sure if it's driveable.
4229 and 4249 have joined 4304 outside so could be next candidates for Withdrawal.
According to a post on Instagram 4444 is getting withdrawn and scrapped due to a write off
Quote from: SK68MEV on March 05, 2019, 06:12:47 PM
According to a post on Instagram 4444 is getting withdrawn and scrapped due to a write off
More veg rubbish
saw a pic of 4231 todaty on way to barnsley so i asuume pensnett is getting cleared with the recent sale of 4066/4067/4068
I reckon (but could well be wrong!) that the current NXWM & NXC vehicle total is exactly 1700 buses. I've listed the 108 buses which I think are currently withdrawn/stored - this total could be lower now. The garage code in brackets is the withdrawn location or last allocation. And the 1522 in the active bus fleet, plus the 39 NX coaches, 26 trainers and 5 other vehicles.
1345(?)/1355(?)/1384(?)/1386(?) [4]
1427(PN)/1461(MS) [2]
1501(?) [1]
1589(WA)/1689(MS) [2]
4023(GB)/4032(PN)/4065(PN)/4070(PN)/4073(PN) [5] (4023 with Green Bus)
4127(WA)/4134(PN)/4137(MS)/4139(MS)/4141(MS)/4144(MS)/4149(MS)/4150(PN)/4152(PN)/4154(WA)/4155(WA)/4159(MS)/4160(PN)/4162(MS)/4163(PN)/4164(WA)/4167(MS)/4169(PN)/4171(PN)/4172(BC)/4180(PN)/4181(BC)/4183(MS)/4187(MS)/4189(MS)/4190(MS)/4194(MS)/4196(MS)/4197(MS)/4198(PN)/4201(PN)/4204(PN)
4206(PN)/4207(PN)/4209(PN)/4210(PN)/4211(CV)/4212(MS)/4215(PN)/4217(CV)/4218(PN)/4219(PN)/4220(CV)/4221(PN)/4222(CV)/4223(PN) [46]
4225(AG)/4229(PN)/4231(AG)/4234(MS)/4236(WB)/4246(WB)/4247(WB)/4248(PN)/4249(PN)/4251(WB)/4256(PN)/4257(WB)/4258(PN)/4260(MS)/4261(PN)
4263(WB)/4265(BC)/4267(PN)/4268(WB)/4269(PN)/4287(AG)/4292(AG)/4293(AG)/4294(PN)/4296(PN)/4297(PN)/4298(AG)/4299(MS)/4300(PN)/4302(MS)
4303(PN)/4304(WB) [32]
4305(PN)/4309(PN)/4315(WN)/4329(PN)/4330(PN)/4343(PN)/4357(PN)/4368(WN)/4369(PN)/4373(CV)/4377(MS)/4397(PN) [12]
4497(PB) [1] (damaged in RTA 28/1/19)
4543(MS) [1] (damaged by fire 8/10/18)
9951(WA)/9959(PN) [2]
Active bus fleet:
Acocks Green
8 Dart/E200 (733-34/831-36)
29 E200MMC (2201-29)
17 B7/ALX (4276-86/88-91/95/301)
48 Gemini (4519/21/26/28/30; 4635-76/78)
47 E400MMC (6111-13/15-18/20-48; 6701-11)
___
149
Birmingham Central
9 B7RLE (2134-42)
58 Trident (4148/76-77/79/85; 4442-49/55-74; 4610-34)
41 E400 (4871-80/95-913/38-49)
18 B5H (5501-18)
74 E400MMC (6825-92; 6945-50)
___
200
Bordesley
51 Scania (1788-1836/76-77)
__
51
Coventry
13 E200 (837-44/71-75)
34 B7RLE (2143-50/52-77)
33 Trident (4370-72/74-76/78-81/95-96/98-4400/2-14/50-54)
10 B7/ALX (4415-24)
54 E400 (4763-76; 4830-42/81-94; 4983-95)
17 E400MMC (6951-67)
___
161
Pensnett
25 Dart/E200 (731-32/57/59-60/801-4/23-30/63-70)
21 B7RLE (2091-111)
5 Wright StreetDeck (3301-5)
22 Trident (4306-8/27-28; 4425-41)
40 E400MMC (6101-10/14/19; 6915-42)
___
113
Perry Barr
4 E200 (761-64)
42 Scania (1863-75; 1901-7/25-31; 7019-33)
46 Gemini (4475-96/98-4507/31-34; 4687-96)
4 Scania DD (4777-80)
43 E400 (4799-815/17-29/43-55)
29 E400MMC (6796-6824)
___
168
Walsall
8 E200 (855-62)
49 Scania (1837-62/78-1900)
42 B7RLE (1750-73; 2112-19/24-33)
20 Trident (4125; 4346-48; 4594-4609)
20 E400 (4733-37; 4856-70)
47 E400MMC (6712-58)
___
186
West Bromwich
19 E200 (758; 805-22)
23 Scania (1911-12/18/33-34/36-53)
22 B7/ALX (4228/30/37/39-41/43-45/50/53-54/59/62/64/66/70-75)
19 Gemini (4508-18/22-25/27/29; 4677/79)
82 E400 (4738-62; 4914-37; 4950-82)
___
165
Wolverhampton
16 E200 (751-56; 845-54)
65 B7RLE (2001-29/59-90; 2120-23)
62 Trident (4136; 4310-14/16-26/31-35/37-40/42/44-45/49-54/56/58-67; 4535-42/57-64)
21 E400H (5401-21)
37 E400MMC (6759-95)
___
201
Yardley Wood
15 Scania (1909-10/13-17/19-24/32/35)
21 E200MMC (2230-50)
53 Trident (4382-90/92-94; 4544-56/65-92)
15 E400 (4718-32)
24 E400MMC (6893-914/43-44)
___
128
Total 1522
NX coaches = 39:
110/113-115/128/136/143/150/152/155/171/235-239/257-264 (x24 at BC)
119/138/140/142/156/157/161 (x7 at CV)
90-95/111/277 (x8 at WA)
Training School = 26:
1349/77/85; 1408/21/32/34/50/52; 1505/8-9/12/14; 4129/31/53/57/61/68; 4520; 4697; 4698; 9057/A863 (BT57 ENJ); 9xxx (BX54 ZWV); 073/TR02 (LK53 KVO).
Other buses = 5:
1687 at CV
3035/3997 at WA
2957 at WN
3225 at YW
4298 is still in active service. On the 11C today.
At Ward End at 15:00 heading for Acocks Green.
@paulb1973 Not sure if any others are still in active service today?
Are all those 41XX still in service at BC, now all the 69XX have entered service?
Nothing withdrawn at WN now
Fleet is very much in a state of flux at the moment
4375 is withdrawn at Coventry, but both this and 4373 are likely to make a comeback.
There's likely to be over 600 buses made Euro6 this year which will mean lots of vehicles off the road at any time so others will have to cover, hence BC getting all those new buses but only losing 4172 & 4181. Expect buses in unexpected places.
Quote from: Tony on March 07, 2019, 08:04:42 PM
Nothing withdrawn at WN now
Fleet is very much in a state of flux at the moment
4375 is withdrawn at Coventry, but both this and 4373 are likely to make a comeback.
There's likely to be over 600 buses made Euro6 this year which will mean lots of vehicles off the road at any time so others will have to cover, hence BC getting all those new buses but only losing 4172 & 4181. Expect buses in unexpected places.
'State of flux' is a good description I guess. I was trying to follow and record the location of all the withdrawn buses - but with so many at the moment, it's proving very difficult!
I had noticed 4375 stuck outside (if that's the one I saw recently) at CV garage.
It looks like 4298 is still going at AG - but I've just noticed I have listed 4231 as withdrawn - that seemed to be heading to a scrapyard yesterday! (so make that 1699 buses potentially).
I have, on my own notes, the Volvo B7TL buses that have been 'trapped' (presumably 4276-86/88-91 at AG and 4237/39-41/43-45/70-75 at WB) but I haven't recorded any other trapped buses that were not Euro 6 from new.
I'm just wondering with the emissions upgrades. Is there any 'requirements' for a bus to get the upgrades? I mean it looks like the bus is going to last x amount of years or something along those lines ?
I ask because I have seen many of the 2001 Volvo models going around but not too many have the green stickers on the back?
Thanks :)
4136 is now withdrawn a cording to a post on Facebook
Hi all
I note that PB Gemini 4479 is reported withdrawn...any idea what happened? RTA/ fire? Apologies if already answered elsewhere.
Cheers
Craig
Quote from: craighu on April 09, 2019, 08:11:57 PM
Hi all
I note that PB Gemini 4479 is reported withdrawn...any idea what happened? RTA/ fire? Apologies if already answered elsewhere.
Cheers
Craig
See here Craig https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/car-driver-left-life-changing-15744881
Cheers mate for info. 4497 wasn't it, not 4479 :-) me and numbers lol
So that makes wolves the largest garage in a way
Quote from: BusMan Greg on April 21, 2019, 04:58:31 PM
So that makes wolves the largest garage in a way
No. According to that BC have a fleet of 224 vehicles. Making BC the largest garage. The JLR coaches are allocated to BC as well as there 200 buses.
@BusMan Greg
From looking at the fleet list the majority of the y plate tridents went for scrap where as the bulk of the v plate B7tl,s have found new homes.
Were the tridents scrapped for being worn out or lack of buyers in the market place
Saw 4497 being towed down Newtown Row yesterday by an RS Recovery lorry. I'm assuming this was heading somewhere to have parts removed before being sent for scrap?
Quote from: Michael Bevan on May 14, 2019, 02:42:25 PM
Saw 4497 being towed down Newtown Row yesterday by an RS Recovery lorry. I'm assuming this was heading somewhere to have parts removed before being sent for scrap?
Now at Miller Street for engine and gearbox removal
There was a bus set on fire at night on Wednesday 15th in Bham (i think)
Anyone know which bus and garage it belonged to? I have seen the video of it on fire.
Quote from: aSingh on May 17, 2019, 04:19:12 PM
There was a bus set on fire at night on Wednesday 15th in Bham (i think)
Anyone know which bus and garage it belonged to? I have seen the video of it on fire.
BC 4629 it's in the Accidents/incidents thread
Does anyone have an up to date status of 4218? Is it still complete?
Reported elsewhere that 4306, 4308, 4327, 4328 now withdrawn from PN.
Surely these would be ideal candidates to use on the Open Day Shuttles for their last time in service?
I recall
@Tony that the intention at 2017 Bus Bash was for 4181/3 to be used on the shuttles at the event for their last time, which made me think of this
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 20, 2019, 10:14:18 AM
Reported elsewhere that 4306, 4308, 4327, 4328 now withdrawn from PN.
Surely these would be ideal candidates to use on the Open Day Shuttles for their last time in service?
I recall @Tony that the intention at 2017 Bus Bash was for 4181/3 to be used on the shuttles at the event for their last time, which made me think of this
Thought these were on the 2 today?
Quote from: SL 16 YPN on July 20, 2019, 03:59:51 PM
Thought these were on the 2 today?
If they are then they are, I was just stating something that had been mentioned to me ;) Makes sense to really as someone on here said they'd be withdrawn soon
Quote from: Dylanbusboy45 on July 20, 2019, 04:04:12 PM
If they are then they are, I was just stating something that had been mentioned to me ;) Makes sense to really as someone on here said they'd be withdrawn soon
Tony mentioned some 4300s would die due to the school holidays so maybe next week
Hi all. I am new to buses having been a rail enthusiast since 1979. I saw 2102 in Stourbridge back in January, googled it and now I am hooked! can anyone help please with the current locations of the below list of withdrawn buses. Are some of them now at Pensnett or Miller St?:-
4225
4236
4246
4250
4251
4263
4265
4268
4292
4293
4298
4315
4343
4368
4377
4397
4676
I know 4251 4263 4377/97 4676 are at Miller st
I have been interested in the Birmingham areas buses for over 60 years now and, in my opinion the Tridents and Volvo B7TLs now being withdrawn are in the best condition of any withdrawn buses I can remember.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on July 28, 2019, 04:12:10 PM
I have been interested in the Birmingham areas buses for over 60 years now and, in my opinion the Tridents and Volvo B7TLs now being withdrawn are in the best condition of any withdrawn buses I can remember.
The Presidents were still in fairly good condition too when they were withdrawn, the fact that they've found continued work both at The Green Bus and at other operators must be saying something.
Quote from: Eric Shaw on July 28, 2019, 04:12:10 PM
I have been interested in the Birmingham areas buses for over 60 years now and, in my opinion the Tridents and Volvo B7TLs now being withdrawn are in the best condition of any withdrawn buses I can remember.
Suppose you don't really know what their condition is 'under the bonnet' and perhaps the state of the chassis, despite the generally tidy appearance.
4326 & 4335 have both now died
It's looking like 3 more deaths to report are 4148; 4176 & 4366
I have been looking for West Bromwich's withdrawn 4236/4246/4250 & 4268 but there is no sign of them (unless inside?) could they have been moved elsewhere such as Pensnett or Miller Street?
Quote from: MARKG on August 02, 2019, 12:34:12 PM
I have been looking for West Bromwich's withdrawn 4236/4246/4250 & 4268 but there is no sign of them (unless inside?) could they have been moved elsewhere such as Pensnett or Miller Street?
Withdrawn vehicles always get moved at the first opportunity. Vehicles with good major components to Miller Street and others to Pensnett
There will be some more 4300 withdrawals from WN next week as the cascades roll in.
Quote from: BN on August 02, 2019, 07:52:01 PM
There will be some more 4300 withdrawals from WN next week as the cascades roll in.
What buses will replace them
Quote from: BN on August 02, 2019, 07:52:01 PM
There will be some more 4300 withdrawals from WN next week as the cascades roll in.
E200 MMC 😂
Quote from: BH2004 on August 02, 2019, 08:07:09 PM
What buses will replace them
It won't be a surprise, pretty standard transfers for WN.
4326 now withdraw wearing a full set of red wheels now
4337; 4338 WN-Reserve
C139 LU-withdrawn, currently parked at WN and surprisingly tidy!
What was your favourite vehicle that has since been withdrawn. Mine was the Mercedes 0405Ns particularly the 1500-1630 range (the ones with the number blinds in the window). Special mentions go to the Liberators and 1696.
Quote from: BN on August 23, 2019, 06:03:40 PM
C139 LU-withdrawn, currently parked at WN and surprisingly tidy!
C139 moved Luton to Gatwick - See May NXWM Fleetchanges.
Quote from: Winston on August 30, 2019, 05:16:34 PM
C139 moved Luton to Gatwick - See May NXWM Fleetchanges.
Sorry Winston, I just know if was collected from Luton.
C136 LU-withdrawn.
Also at WN
Quote from: BN on August 30, 2019, 06:12:10 PM
C136 LU-withdrawn.
Also at WN
That one was also last allocated to Gatwick (ex Luton) May Fleet changes again.
Looks as though there's some new coaches in to Gatwick 290 onwards, so seems to tally up.
The last of the original Rotala batch have now been sold and collected from WN, 162-173 gone.
Can anyone advise the location of withdrawn 4265 please. I haven't seen it at Miller St or Pensnett.
Quote from: MARKG on October 18, 2019, 11:27:22 PM
Can anyone advise the location of withdrawn 4265 please. I haven't seen it at Miller St or Pensnett.
Checkout NXWM fleetlist on main site, Tony's updated them with all reserve fleet locations
136 and 139 have now left the fleet.
Quote from: BN on October 05, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
The last of the original Rotala batch have now been sold and collected from WN, 162-173 gone.
Does that include 164 or 169? those two are still showing as at Gatwick (in service)
Quote from: Winston on October 27, 2019, 12:14:34 AM
Does that include 164 or 169? those two are still showing as at Gatwick (in service)
Yes all have been collected.
4275 still currently at westbrom tyre dept location, it's kindly donating vital organs to keep its siblings going all very noble.
156/160 Gatwick-Withdrawn
4268, 4357, 4364, 4372, 4373, 4374, 4395 have all now had all useful parts removed and taken to Pensnett for storage
Quote from: Tony on November 16, 2019, 05:19:13 PM
4268, 4357, 4364, 4372, 4373, 4374, 4395 have all now had all useful parts removed and taken to Pensnett for storage
Why would they be in storage if all their useful parts have been removed?
Quote from: Busboy105 on November 16, 2019, 07:29:25 PM
Why would they be in storage if all their useful parts have been removed?
Think most, if not all, of these previously resided at Miller St - so have been stripped for spares and moved over to PN as a final resting place, prior to the scrapyard.
Quote from: Busboy105 on November 16, 2019, 07:29:25 PM
Why would they be in storage if all their useful parts have been removed?
To wait for their book value to be closer to their actual value
Quote from: Tony on November 16, 2019, 08:39:56 PM
To wait for their book value to be closer to their actual value
Oh ok. What parts are usually taken from these buses?
Quote from: Busboy105 on November 16, 2019, 09:39:09 PM
Oh ok. What parts are usually taken from these buses?
Anything needed to keep similar vehicles on road
Why was 4497 and 4676 withdrawn? They looked perfectly fine in their last photos. 4497 was even crimsoned.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 02, 2019, 12:10:52 AM
Why was 4497 and 4676 withdrawn? They looked perfectly fine in their last photos. 4497 was even crimsoned.
Both were accident victims.
4676:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-updates-lode-lane-blocked-15966434
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 02, 2019, 12:10:52 AM
Why was 4497 and 4676 withdrawn? They looked perfectly fine in their last photos. 4497 was even crimsoned.
4497 was a write off when it had a major RTC on the 16.
Why was 4781 withdrawn
Quote from: SK68MEV on December 07, 2019, 10:03:07 AM
Why was 4781 withdrawn
Written off after a serious RTC on the 16
Quote from: John on December 07, 2019, 10:04:51 AM
Written off after a serious RTC on the 16
so that means 2 buses written off the 16
Am I the only person who thinks that the Presidents were withdrawn too soon? Considering that there are Volvos who have/are still going around that are even older.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 07, 2019, 10:31:35 PM
Am I the only person who thinks that the Presidents were withdrawn too soon? Considering that there are Volvos who have/are still going around that are even older.
I agree - I didn't like the massive rush to remove them at the end of 2016. I am really missing them now, but everywhere was getting a Euro zone emission and being Euro 2 they couldn't go far. Didn't like how the Walsall examples went all at once when there was nothing wrong with them...
Now the last President has finally left for scrap I have updated all the histories to include any know subsequent moves on their individual pages on the main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/4001-4224.html
Anthing I have missed or any errors please let me know.
Only 2 of the 102 vehicles I don't know where they are at the moment are 4084 which went to Transdev, but has never been put into service, and 4099 which was sold to an operator in Bedfordshire in April this year and is fully taxed and MoT'd but the operator is unknown
Quote from: Jack on December 07, 2019, 10:33:54 PM
I agree - I didn't like the massive rush to remove them at the end of 2016. I am really missing them now, but everywhere was getting a Euro zone emission and being Euro 2 they couldn't go far. Didn't like how the Walsall examples went all at once when there was nothing wrong with them...
The only places that have a zone emission planned are Birmingham and Solihull. I heard Wolves was getting one but I'm not sure when so NX could have moved them to PN or WN,WB. But you're right, they are Euro 2 and considering the efforts that NX have put in to make their vehicles Euro 6 complaint, it was probably the best decision.
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 08, 2019, 11:10:30 AM
The only places that have a zone emission planned are Birmingham and Solihull. I heard Wolves was getting one but I'm not sure when so NX could have moved them to PN or WN,WB. But you're right, they are Euro 2 and considering the efforts that NX have put in to make their vehicles Euro 6 complaint, it was probably the best decision.
Really, the entire NXWM fleet is going Euro 6 by next year. (I think summer 2020 is the revised date), that's why there's currently loads of the existing fleet being upgraded to Euro 6 at Grayson's. Presidents could not be converted being Euro 2. The design of the President bodywork also hasn't aged as well as Gemini's.
Quote from: Winston on December 08, 2019, 11:24:59 AM
Really, the entire NXWM fleet is going Euro 6 by next year. (I think summer 2020 is the revised date), that's why there's currently loads of the existing fleet being upgraded to Euro 6 at Grayson's. Presidents could not be converted being Euro 2. The design of the President bodywork also hasn't aged as well as Gemini's.
Isn't the Volvos Euro 2?
Quote from: Busboy105 on December 08, 2019, 01:02:25 PM
Isn't the Volvos Euro 2?
Nope, 51 plate Volvo's were Euro 3.
100 x Trident/ALX400's (4125-4224)
80 × Volvo B7TL's/ALX400's (4225-4304)
The above were all ordered to Euro 3 emission spec & some of the first to hit the road.
Quote from: Winston on December 08, 2019, 01:44:56 PM
Nope, 51 plate Volvo's were Euro 3.
100 x Trident/ALX400's (4125-4224)
80 × Volvo B7TL's/ALX400's (4225-4304)
The above were all ordered to Euro 3 emission spec & some of the first to hit the road.
And the vast majority of the survivors are currently around Euro 5 with the Green Urban traps fitted
Quote from: Tony on December 08, 2019, 08:56:09 AM
Now the last President has finally left for scrap I have updated all the histories to include any know subsequent moves on their individual pages on the main site
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/fleetlist/4001-4224.html
Which one was the last President,
@Tony?
Quote from: P419 EJW on December 08, 2019, 11:13:04 PM
Which one was the last President, @Tony?
I can't remember which President was last in service - 4076 at Dundee must be in with a shout. On my own notes (but which are from Tony's updates) I have these as some of the last in NX ownership: 4023 passed to Green Bus 6/19 and 4032/4065/4070 sold to PVS, Barnsley for scrap 6/19. 4073 was stored for a long while too.
Goodbye.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B53BOKShJng/?igshid=2ktc979zodks
4264 ALX400 B7TL Volvo
Withdrawn at West Bromwich parked by the tyres bay with the red tow away wheels on
Pn 4328 is jed now up death row
Apparently 4351 has now dropped too.
Quote from: Ashley 60171 on February 01, 2020, 09:32:35 AM
Apparently 4351 has now dropped too.
Yes and hopefully 4313 if a replacement is found in time.
4351 back from the dead, will be out next week. 4313's replacement.
A few moves today
323 & 324 have been moved from Frankley to Miller Street
4363 was withdrawn from BC today on MoT expiry, but has gone to WN to see if it is worth reinstating in place of one of theirs
Quote from: P419 EJW on December 08, 2019, 11:13:04 PM
Which one was the last President, @Tony?
Wasn't 4105 the last at WA
When a bus gets withdrawn and sent to Miller Street, can another company purchase a bus from there or are they only there for scrap?
Quote from: Tony on February 18, 2020, 06:59:52 PM
A few moves today
323 & 324 have been moved from Frankley to Miller Street
4363 was withdrawn from BC today on MoT expiry, but has gone to WN to see if it is worth reinstating in place of one of theirs
Reinstated at WN today, MOT on Friday.
@Tony do you know if 4218 is still around and if so where is it? I know it was withdrawn March last year but I'm sure I heard that it never went for scrap.
Quote from: WM_58 on March 27, 2020, 01:37:42 AM
@Tony do you know if 4218 is still around and if so where is it? I know it was withdrawn March last year but I'm sure I heard that it never went for scrap.
I provide all that info on the main site
2136 had some life breathed into it this week and managed a lap of WN yard. Paintshop next!
ive seen a post of 4148 being taken by PVS today , just wandering if anything else has left recently?
Quote from: BN on September 05, 2020, 09:30:52 AM
2136 had some life breathed into it this week and managed a lap of WN yard. Paintshop next!
Excellent to hear. It's repaint will plug a hole in my records.....
@Tony, is there going to be list of disposals on the last month's fleet changes?
Thanks in advance.
4384. 4385 & 4388 have all been rescued from Pensnett scrap lines.
4388 currently at WB is definitely for stripping.
4384 & 4385 are on decision at Miller Street, depending on condition could be stripped or reinstated
all of
4290, 4317, 4399, 4447, 4462 & 4465 are very unlikely to run again
Quote from: Tony on August 10, 2021, 08:08:02 PM
all of
4290, 4317, 4399, 4447, 4462 & 4465 are very unlikely to run again
Oh what happened to them?
Quote from: bbs on August 11, 2021, 10:20:08 PM
Oh what happened to them?
Could be something as simple as tax and/or MOT expired
Quote from: bbs on August 11, 2021, 10:20:08 PM
Oh what happened to them?
Nothing particularly, other than they need expensive repairs, so easier to pick them for withdrawal
Quote from: Tony on August 12, 2021, 07:40:45 PM
Nothing particularly, other than they need expensive repairs, so easier to pick them for withdrawal
Hasn't 4462 just had Price Branding applied?
Quote from: Jack on August 13, 2021, 08:32:59 PM
Hasn't 4462 just had Price Branding applied?
If the bus is no good, a few stickers on the side isn't a reason to spend money on repairing it.
Quote from: Gareth on August 15, 2021, 06:45:16 PM
If the bus is no good, a few stickers on the side isn't a reason to spend money on repairing it.
I didn't say that, my point really was why waste money on putting stickers on a bus for it to be withdrawn a few days/weeks after...
Quote from: Jack on August 15, 2021, 09:11:58 PM
I didn't say that, my point really was why waste money on putting stickers on a bus for it to be withdrawn a few days/weeks after...
Well they wouldn't have been put on if it was known would they?
Are they selling the B7RLE Mk1's?
Quote from: Bus Spotter Ben on September 02, 2021, 03:08:24 PM
Are they selling the B7RLE Mk1's?
Is it just 2 being withdrawn? Unless they plan on increasing the proportion of double decks in the fleet in the future perhaps and more go?
What's likely to happen to 2246 anyway?
Quote from: 2206 on September 02, 2021, 07:47:04 PM
Is it just 2 being withdrawn? Unless they plan on increasing the proportion of double decks in the fleet in the future perhaps?
What's likely to happen to 2246 anyway?
I've heard 2246 is to replace 1687 as the new Health Buzz
Quote from: 2206 on September 02, 2021, 07:47:04 PM
Is it just 2 being withdrawn? Unless they plan on increasing the proportion of double decks in the fleet in the future perhaps and more go?
What's likely to happen to 2246 anyway?
2246 is the new health buzz
4382, 4421, 4304, 4320, 4309, 4273 all taken from Pensnett for scrap by Shelton Motors today
4267, 4300 & 4303 all gone from Pensnett to Shelton Motors for scrap today
@Tony how many more are for scrap and how many (if any) are reserve for potential further service at PN?
Quote from: Wumpty on September 09, 2021, 01:26:05 PM
@Tony how many more are for scrap and how many (if any) are reserve for potential further service at PN?
3 more going tomorrow
Quote from: Tony on September 09, 2021, 02:10:28 PM
3 more going tomorrow
Thanks
@Tony How many does that leave for future disposal/reserve for future us please?
4228 at Miller Street, which despite being withdrawn nearly two years ago is still complete and drivable and available for preservation.
Any serious offers need to be in the £1,500 +VAT(at 20%) & Tyres.
Offers can be made to Disposals @ Nationalexpress . com (without the spaces only put in to avoid bots picking the address up)
Quote from: Tony on September 24, 2021, 11:49:46 AM
4228 at Miller Street, which despite being withdrawn nearly two years ago is still complete and drivable and available for preservation.
Any serious offers need to be in the £1,500 +VAT(at 20%) & Tyres.
Offers can be made to Disposals @ Nationalexpress . com (without the spaces only put in to avoid bots picking the address up)
Hi Tony, is it still in Greatest Hits Radio overall wrap?
Quote from: Wumpty on September 24, 2021, 12:43:25 PM
Hi Tony, is it still in Greatest Hits Radio overall wrap?
Yes
221 WA-Withdrawn
All of the following will be put out to tender soon, so speak up now for serious offers, not moaning later when I post they are off to scrapyards. Serious offers for preservation only to disposals @ nationalexpress . com (without the spaces). Scrap price for complete double decks is currently around the £1,500 to give a clue of the offers required with VAT and tyres on top
323, 324, 325, 326, 800, 1450, 1512, 4144, 4157, 4218, 4228
4230, 4243, 4292, 4293, 4299, 4308, 4316, 4319, 4325, 4338, 4339
4350, 4379, 4381, 4384, 4402, 4405 some are only fit for scrap, but I have just copied & pasted the full list. The way it works is offers are made and National Express accept or decline, so don't just email asking for a price.
didnt expect 4502 to be withdrawn. what was the issue?
Quote from: Tony on September 29, 2021, 06:50:51 PM
All of the following will be put out to tender soon, so speak up now for serious offers, not moaning later when I post they are off to scrapyards. Serious offers for preservation only to disposals @ nationalexpress . com (without the spaces). Scrap price for complete double decks is currently around the £1,500 to give a clue of the offers required with VAT and tyres on top
323, 324, 325, 326, 800, 1450, 1512, 4144, 4157, 4218, 4228
4230, 4243, 4292, 4293, 4299, 4308, 4316, 4319, 4325, 4338, 4339
4350, 4379, 4381, 4384, 4402, 4405 some are only fit for scrap, but I have just copied & pasted the full list. The way it works is offers are made and National Express accept or decline, so don't just email asking for a price.
Morning
@Tony - what Euro engine spec are 323/4/5/6 and 800 please?
Quote from: bbs on September 30, 2021, 10:27:07 PM
didnt expect 4502 to be withdrawn. what was the issue?
Year VOR and general cannibalism warranted it's demise.
Quote from: Wumpty on October 01, 2021, 08:32:00 AM
Morning @Tony - what Euro engine spec are 323/4/5/6 and 800 please?
800 is euro 2, but has died during it's time in Miller Street Yard with all sorts of problems, I believe, but cannot be certain, the solos are euro 4
Quote from: Tony on October 01, 2021, 01:43:44 PM
800 is euro 2, but has died during it's time in Miller Street Yard with all sorts of problems, I believe, but cannot be certain, the solos are euro 4
Bless you Sir!
Quote from: Tony on October 01, 2021, 01:43:44 PM
800 is euro 2, but has died during it's time in Miller Street Yard with all sorts of problems, I believe, but cannot be certain, the solos are euro 4
Hasn't 800 got an isbe4 engine in it?
Quote from: BN on October 01, 2021, 09:37:33 PM
Hasn't 800 got an isbe4 engine in it?
Yes, sorry will be euro 3. Last time they tried to move it fuel was coming out of places that it shouldn't
Quote from: Tony on October 01, 2021, 09:48:32 PM
Yes, sorry will be euro 3. Last time they tried to move it fuel was coming out of places that it shouldn't
Tow it to PN, they will sort it
4399 left Coventry for PVS on Friday
4237 will be leaving WB this morning to PVS
I had a meeting with the team at PN last week and was very fortunate to have been given a tour of the facilities and the reserve fleet area. I was amazed by the amount of land they have and that a lot of the old withdrawn stock has been moved (for scrap judging by
@Tony's posts).
Still surprised to see so many 42xx 43xx vehicles in various states of repair, being joined by withdrawn 17xx B7s. Oldest vehicle was former Timesaver and trainer Metrobus (assuming that's still kept as spares for 2957).
4497 leaving today, first Gemini. 4677 will also leave soon, both to PVS
1767 now withdrawn
And i heard that 1761 (which is the last remaining one left) had its final day in service today
4349 has been withdrawn today
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on October 08, 2021, 07:46:31 PM
1767 now withdrawn
And i heard that 1761 (which is the last remaining one left) had its final day in service today
1761 lasted til at least Saturday, hunted it down for a ride on the 11 out to Dudley
Quote from: Kevin on October 11, 2021, 04:43:41 PM
1761 lasted til at least Saturday, hunted it down for a ride on the 11 out to Dudley
Yes still out today looks to have survived for now
4221 started first time today and rolled its,wheels for the first time since 2019 today!!
Quote from: BN on October 12, 2021, 08:01:20 PM
4221 started first time today and rolled its,wheels for the first time since 2019 today!!
Still life in the old girl yet!
Quote from: BN on October 12, 2021, 08:01:20 PM
4221 started first time today and rolled its,wheels for the first time since 2019 today!!
I had 4221 as sold for preservation - assume that fell through.
Quote from: paulb1973 on October 13, 2021, 02:11:15 PM
I had 4221 as sold for preservation - assume that fell through.
No, it was sold for preservation.
BN's team have got it running ready for collection.
Quote from: Tony on October 13, 2021, 02:24:20 PM
No, it was sold for preservation.
BN's team have got it running ready for collection.
Yes! Just seen your pic on Facebook - that's another saved for the future.
1761 WA - Withdrawn
So that means there is no more left in service. Its an end of an era
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on October 16, 2021, 12:16:43 AM
1761 WA - Withdrawn
So that means there is no more left in service. Its an end of an era
Well not technically end of an era as there are still B7lres in services 2001-2177
Quote from: BK63 YWP on October 16, 2021, 05:41:26 PM
Well not technically end of an era as there are still B7lres in services 2001-2177
But no more of the older Wright Eclipse Urbans, those ones are the 'later' Wright Eclipse 2 models.
They *look* in good nick so I wonder how many will have new lives as trainers, not necessarily with NX? Probably too old for potential electric conversion.
Quote from: cardew on October 16, 2021, 05:58:15 PM
They *look* in good nick so I wonder how many will have new lives as trainers, not necessarily with NX? Probably too old for potential electric conversion.
They could go for further service with rural operators! (Assuming there is any left of course?)
Quote from: I love Walsall buses on October 16, 2021, 12:16:43 AM
1761 WA - Withdrawn
So that means there is no more left in service. Its an end of an era
Who's says it's been withdrawn? As it's been allocated to the 11/11A today baring any issues found in garage.
92;93;94;95 WA-Withdrawn
Quote from: 4679 on October 17, 2021, 05:43:14 AM
Who's says it's been withdrawn? As it's been allocated to the 11/11A today baring any issues found in garage.
I thought they stopped using Eclispe Mark 1's on Sundays anyway for ages, well before the withdrawals started?
(And when the pandemic kicked off, those didn't come out originally, due to the reduced number of buses needed. Only 1773 came out eventually, to replace an injured 2125!)
I presume it's 1761 just left merry hill on an 11.
4354 is now withdrawn
1761's last day is Saturday, MoT expiry on Sunday
4437 WN-Withdrawn
Quote from: Tony on October 04, 2021, 08:20:25 AM
4399 left Coventry for PVS on Friday
4237 will be leaving WB this morning to PVS
More leaving tomorrow from Pensnett.
As you can see from the photos on the main site, 4274, 4306, 4315, 4323, 4347, 4351, 4367, 4400 all left this week.
4345 & 4328 left today
It's certainly very empty at PN now.
Any plans for 9951 or are you keeping that to sustain 2957?
Quote from: Wumpty on October 26, 2021, 09:58:09 AM
It's certainly very empty at PN now.
Any plans for 9951 or are you keeping that to sustain 2957?
It's not empty. 17 B7RLEs & 2 Tridents have arrived from WA.
9951 staying for the time being
Quote from: Tony on October 26, 2021, 10:07:05 AM
It's not empty. 17 B7RLEs & 2 Tridents have arrived from WA.
9951 staying for the time being
I should have said emptier compared to when I was there a couple of weeks ago for a meeting.
The B7RLEs were lined up on the right and the back of the yard was considerably fuller with deckers, with 9951 in amongst them.
Quote from: BN on October 26, 2021, 10:56:10 PM
Yes Paul.
Ah ok. Normally pictures appear (on Facebook etc) of them being towed away - but I hadn't seen any for these two!
Quote from: BN on October 26, 2021, 10:56:10 PM
Yes Paul.
Was there more disposals this week? Drove past the Miller Street garage today, saw truck waiting outside.
Quote from: Sayeed on October 29, 2021, 12:18:17 PM
Was there more disposals this week? Drove past the Miller Street garage today, saw truck waiting outside.
@Tony ??
Can I also ask the unaskable question? Is 6766 still with NXWM (perhaps Miller Street) or has it been subject to disposal?
I'll put the full list of changes including disposals for October on the main site this weekend.
PVS have collected 7 from Miller Street
Quote from: don on October 29, 2021, 02:38:10 PM
Can I also ask the unaskable question? Is 6766 still with NXWM (perhaps Miller Street) or has it been subject to disposal?
Still at Wolverhampton, slowly being stripped of every reusable part. Even something as simple as the drivers protectice screen was refitted onto PN 6927 today after its accident damage repairs as the waiting time for a new one is into December
Quote from: Tony on October 29, 2021, 02:43:28 PM
Still at Wolverhampton, slowly being stripped of every reusable part. Even something as simple as the drivers protectice screen was refitted onto PN 6927 today after its accident damage repairs as the waiting time for a new one is into December
Thanks Tony - makes a lot of sense.
Full list of October changes now here
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
Quote from: Tony on October 30, 2021, 09:55:02 AM
Full list of October changes now here
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
I'll look at this later today and update my records accordingly.
Quote from: Tony on October 30, 2021, 09:55:02 AM
Full list of October changes now here
http://wmbusphotos.com/Fleetchanges/NXWM.html
I noticed that the hydrogen buses aren't listed on there at the moment. Are they waiting for them to be entered into service before they're added to the list?
Interested to see two crimson Tridents at PN reserve last night - 4447 was one of them - one had the front cowelling and O/S/F light cluster already salvaged.
Quote from: Wumpty on November 02, 2021, 07:32:42 AM
Interested to see two crimson Tridents at PN reserve last night - 4447 was one of them - one had the front cowelling and O/S/F light cluster already salvaged.
44xx are now 18 years old and written down, so don't warrent any major expenditure
Quote from: Tony on November 02, 2021, 07:56:08 AM
44xx are now 18 years old and written down, so don't warrent any major expenditure
I agree and I know that would've been a consideration - just very odd, aesthetically, to see crimsons in the withdrawn yard.
Would thee be the first crimsons for potential disposal, or have others gone before them?
Quote from: Wumpty on November 02, 2021, 08:27:14 AM
I agree and I know that would've been a consideration - just very odd, aesthetically, to see crimsons in the withdrawn yard.
Would thee be the first crimsons for potential disposal, or have others gone before them?
There's also the 17xx along with a couple of fire victims
4221 left today for its new home.
I note on the recent picture of 1770 pictured at Walsall garage that it has had all its decals removed - candidate for training vehicle?
10 more vehicles left for scrap today
4292, 4293, 4316, 4319, 4325, 4338, 4346, 4379, 4381, 4402
4322 has now joined the top yard.
Quote from: toomas2212 on December 15, 2021, 08:41:40 PM
I reckon at least 1 more will go this week as well, maybe a few others
Really, what else is going this week?
4444 now withdrawn
Quote from: Tony on January 21, 2022, 06:00:33 PM
4444 now withdrawn
That's a surprise it hasn't long had an LED front destination
Quote from: BNH2004 on January 21, 2022, 06:03:23 PM
That's a surprise it hasn't long had an LED front destination
Easily removed and reused. You will see that in the front of 4474 soon
Quote from: Tony on January 21, 2022, 06:00:33 PM
4444 now withdrawn
There goes the star wars bus :-\
Whats happening with the fleet list updates, last one was November 21, are we still getting them and Christmas just got in the middle or is it no longer in use ? :-\
there werent any fleet changes in december. Tony posted a full list of each garage and what they have at the beginning of jan
Quote from: cris 99 on January 22, 2022, 09:05:05 AM
there werent any fleet changes in december. Tony posted a full list of each garage and what they have at the beginning of jan
There was two moves I need on put on there 752 & 837 swapped garages between PN & WN
Quote from: cris 99 on January 22, 2022, 09:05:05 AM
there werent any fleet changes in december. Tony posted a full list of each garage and what they have at the beginning of jan
fair enough i hardly come in here, its all updated now anyway - thanx 8)
Just seen a photo of PVS picking up 4601 from Walsall Garage to take it away for scrap.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on January 25, 2022, 10:42:42 AM
Just seen a photo of PVS picking up 4601 from Walsall Garage to take it away for scrap.
RIP 4601
4601 not currently shown as withdrawn in the NXWM fleet news - makes one wonder whether 6746 will be repaired.
Having a quick look at Bus Times this morning I noticed 1834, currently in for repaint, is shown with a blue livery marker - any significance to this?
Quote from: don on January 25, 2022, 08:38:17 PM
4601 not currently shown as withdrawn in the NXWM fleet news - makes one wonder whether 6746 will be repaired.
Having a quick look at Bus Times this morning I noticed 1834, currently in for repaint, is shown with a blue livery marker - any significance to this?
There's a few january withdrawals I haven't put on the main site, but 6746 is under repair at WB.
I have no idea who does some of the updates on Bus Times
Quote from: Tony on January 25, 2022, 08:48:12 PM
There's a few january withdrawals I haven't put on the main site, but 6746 is under repair at WB.
I have no idea who does some of the updates on Bus Times
It's like 5422 and 5423 someone's put that they have names when they don't
Quote from: don on January 25, 2022, 08:38:17 PM
4601 not currently shown as withdrawn in the NXWM fleet news - makes one wonder whether 6746 will be repaired.
Having a quick look at Bus Times this morning I noticed 1834, currently in for repaint, is shown with a blue livery marker - any significance to this?
Would be nice though, if it was what we thought it might mean! (But if they decided to do what we thought it meant, TPTB & funds allowing, surely they'd wait for the new painting bay & paint a double decker instead?)
Quote from: don on January 25, 2022, 08:38:17 PM
Having a quick look at Bus Times this morning I noticed 1834, currently in for repaint, is shown with a blue livery marker - any significance to this?
No comment. :-X
Quote from: Tony on January 25, 2022, 08:48:12 PM
There's a few january withdrawals I haven't put on the main site, but 6746 is under repair at WB.
I have no idea who does some of the updates on Bus Times
Thanks Tony - good to hear 6746 is being repaired.
I personally think a single decker in WCT livery would look excellent - even though I only recall it on the handful of Bedford SBOs and the Leyland Royal Tigers (as 808, now preserved at Wythall) - and also to continue the naming from 4601 (Walsall1955 on Flickr, sadly deceased).
Quote from: Tony on January 25, 2022, 08:48:12 PM
There's a few january withdrawals I haven't put on the main site, but 6746 is under repair at WB.
Is 4573 being repaired or will that not be coming back?
Quote from: don on January 25, 2022, 10:52:10 PM
Thanks Tony - good to hear 6746 is being repaired.
I personally think a single decker in WCT livery would look excellent - even though I only recall it on the handful of Bedford SBOs and the Leyland Royal Tigers (as 808, now preserved at Wythall) - and also to continue the naming from 4601 (Walsall1955 on Flickr, sadly deceased).
Quote from: Martin on January 25, 2022, 10:16:52 PM
I've just seen a picture on Facebook of 1834 in Walsall corporation colours has it been photoshopped or is it real Tony ?
Reading between the lines.. ;)
Quote from: Jack on January 25, 2022, 11:29:09 PM
Is 4573 being repaired or will that not be coming back?
Already repaired
Quote from: Tony on January 26, 2022, 05:46:39 PM
Already repaired
Shame, normally (Except Plaxton Presidents) i dont wish to see any bus reach the end, but 4573 is responsible for an injury to my wife, just after she was transferred to WN, first they said they didnt have 4573
second 4573 wasnt on the road that day
third (when i produced the ticket) the video wasnt working on the bus that day so could not be investigated, as a result i will willingly dance on 4573s grave
Quote from: SUNDAY.BASH on January 31, 2022, 07:55:05 PM
Shame, normally (Except Plaxton Presidents) i dont wish to see any bus reach the end, but 4573 is responsible for an injury to my wife, just after she was transferred to WN, first they said they didnt have 4573
second 4573 wasnt on the road that day
third (when i produced the ticket) the video wasnt working on the bus that day so could not be investigated, as a result i will willingly dance on 4573s grave
4573 has never been transferred to Wolverhampton. It was new there in 2004, but never transferred back
Two Caetano Levante coaches at PN this lunchtime on disposal row(unable to see reg numbers).
Over to
@Tony !
Quote from: Wumpty on February 07, 2022, 01:03:22 PM
Two Caetano Levante coaches at PN this lunchtime on disposal row(unable to see reg numbers).
Over to @Tony !
Was 3 there. They are the three 66 plates which are off lease waiting for the bank to collect
Quote from: Tony on February 07, 2022, 04:02:27 PM
Was 3 there. They are the three 66 plates which are off lease waiting for the bank to collect
still three there this morning
4266 is the latest casualty after suffering an engine failure
PVS have just taken 4349 away for scrap.
4344 is currently on its way from Pensnett to Used Bus & Coach, Warrington, not sure if they have collected 4342 today as well
Some B7/ALX 400 news.
4266 has been withdrawn, engine gone.
4270 has been withdrawn on MoT expiry
4272 has just passed an MoT so has a bit more time
4280 has a rotton chassis and is unlikely to run again
4301 passed an MoT last week so has a bit more time.
Despite what people say about 'modern' buses, to still have a sizeable fleet of buses that are now celebrating their 20th birthdays is testament to the build and NX engineers.
This might be a soft question, but vehicles are being stripped for spare parts before being disposal aren't they?
Quote from: Westy on February 16, 2022, 04:14:59 PM
This might be a soft question, but vehicles are being stripped for spare parts before being disposal aren't they?
Only ones we need spare parts off
Quote from: Gareth on February 16, 2022, 03:48:23 PM
Despite what people say about 'modern' buses, to still have a sizeable fleet of buses that are now celebrating their 20th birthdays is testament to the build and NX engineers.
Indeed, it must be quite a few years since the average age of the fleet was last over 10 years old. Probably more like 12 at Acocks Green now. (I know the reasons why, no criticism implied)
I would guess that the arrival of the electric buses due over the course of this year and next at Coventry will bring the average age down a bit.
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2022, 03:02:03 PM
Some B7/ALX 400 news.
4266 has been withdrawn, engine gone.
4270 has been withdrawn on MoT expiry
4272 has just passed an MoT so has a bit more time
4280 has a rotton chassis and is unlikely to run again
4301 passed an MoT last week so has a bit more time.
I know it's not a B7/ALX but doubt 4457 will see further service either.
Quote from: BN on February 16, 2022, 09:29:57 PM
I know it's not a B7/ALX but doubt 4457 will see further service either.
Will 4598 ever see further service again? And how come it hasn't been used for so long?
4457, 4499, 4546 all withdrawn
Quote from: Tony on February 18, 2022, 02:01:34 PM
4457, 4499, 4546 all withdrawn
why was 4499 withdrawn
Quote from: bbs on February 18, 2022, 04:57:51 PM
why was 4499 withdrawn
because it is old and worn out the same reason most buses get withdrawn for
Quote from: Tony on February 18, 2022, 05:01:40 PM
because it is old and worn out the same reason most buses get withdrawn for
wow I thought their Alx400s were in worser conditions but they seemily don't give up great to here them surviving yet
Quote from: bbs on February 18, 2022, 07:54:29 PM
wow I thought their Alx400s were in worser conditions but they seemily don't give up great to here them surviving yet
Same as the Tridents. The 4300's are in better condition underneath and more reliable than some 4400's.
Quote from: bbs on February 18, 2022, 07:54:29 PM
wow I thought their Alx400s were in worser conditions but they seemily don't give up great to here them surviving yet
The first batch of geminis are almost 19 years old. I wouldn't be too surprised when the odd one gets withdrawn every now and again.
Quote from: don on October 29, 2021, 02:38:10 PM
Can I also ask the unaskable question? Is 6766 still with NXWM (perhaps Miller Street) or has it been subject to disposal?
What happened to 6766 that is was scrapped so soon?
Quote from: JIM C on February 19, 2022, 01:25:32 AM
What happened to 6766 that is was scrapped so soon?
Destroyed by fire
4403, 4408, 4412, 4673 CV - withdrawn
Quote from: Tony on February 19, 2022, 03:45:49 PM
4403, 4408, 4412, 4673 CV - withdrawn
Alot of 44** leaving the fleet now
Has 4254 been withdrawn?
Has 4254 been withdrawn?
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Quote from: 2206 on February 16, 2022, 09:56:34 PM
Will 4598 ever see further service again? And how come it hasn't been used for so long?
What about 4474, 4595 and 4602?
Quote from: Jack on February 21, 2022, 03:48:41 PM
Has 4254 been withdrawn?
What about 4474, 4595 and 4602?
No Euro6 buses have been withdrawn
4601 still showing at Walsall on the fleet list.
Quote from: filbus1 on March 01, 2022, 08:19:32 AM
4601 still showing at Walsall on the fleet list.
and so the 4298 - Sold to MC Motors for scrap 10/21.
4465 off to PVS today
4499 is out on the 11s today so that's thankfully back. Seen it myself so not just a bustimes tracker issue.
1757 seen on the main pad at PN - being moved to Greenbus?
Quote from: Wumpty on March 15, 2022, 09:04:53 AM
1757 seen on the main pad at PN - being moved to Greenbus?
It is likely to go to Kev's to help out
1758 and the coaches from the PN death row are on the main pad at PN this morning, with a hive of activity around them.
Quote from: Wumpty on March 16, 2022, 07:29:00 AM
1758 and the coaches from the PN death row are on the main pad at PN this morning, with a hive of activity around them.
1758 which was known to have a rough engine when it was sold unfortunately decided it didn't want to be used when it arrived at Kev's and will need some heavy work to return to service
Will the names from withdrawn (and planned disposal) vehicles be rededicated to other buses. One example is 7031 for PCSO Terry Court.
Just seen some of The Green Bus engineers cutting parts of 4230 off. So far part of the roof has gone.
Quote from: Michael Bevan on March 19, 2022, 09:14:45 AM
Just seen some of The Green Bus engineers cutting parts of 4230 off. So far part of the roof has gone.
Seems like my hunch was right then, about it being ripped apart for seatbelt certification.
10 withdrawn vehicles leaving PN scrap row leaving today/tomorrow.
1837 has also escaped the reserve lines at the far end of Pensnett and has gone to Miller Street to be assessed for a new NON-PSV role
4545 & 4585 have recently arrived at Pensnett for storage under tow by RS
Sorry, typo corrected to 4585
Quote from: winston on April 01, 2022, 11:51:41 AM
4545 & 4555 have recently arrived at Pensnett for storage under tow by RS
4545 & 4585
4291, 1808 & 7030 arrived yesterday.
After MC Tractors leave the following should be parked in Pensnett
1432, 1808, 1809, 1811, 1813, 1814, 1822, 1839, 1844, 1891, 4218, 4291, 4310, 4314, 4327, 4339, 4354, 4426, 4545, 4585, 4673, 7024, 7027, 7029, 7030, 7032 & 9951
The former Birmingham and Solihull Mental Health bus has now been moved off site and resides in Ladywood awaiting further conversion.
Are all the other stored ex Dundee scanias still at Perry Barr?
Written them down out of order on my paper, now included
Quote from: Tony on April 01, 2022, 12:22:38 PM
4545 & 4585
4291, 1808 & 7030 arrived yesterday.
After MC Tractors leave the following should be parked in Pensnett
1432, 1808, 1809, 1811, 1813, 1814, 1822, 1839, 1844, 1891, 4218, 4291, 4310, 4314, 4327, 4339, 4354, 4426, 4545, 4585, 4673, 7024, 7027, 7029, 7030, 7032 & 9951
4589 just turned up as well.
3 more vehicles coming Monday, not our normal residents.
Quote from: cris 99 on April 01, 2022, 01:42:39 PMAre all the other stored ex Dundee scanias still at Perry Barr?
Written them down out of order on my paper, now included
All the others are in service, not stored.
Quote from: BN on April 03, 2022, 09:17:32 AM3 more vehicles coming Monday, not our normal residents.
Hydroliners?
Quote from: BN on April 03, 2022, 09:17:32 AM3 more vehicles coming Monday, not our normal residents.
Three Ring & Ride minibuses - I thing they're Peugeots. One looks mostly complete but the other two have had front end cannibalisation.
Quote from: Wumpty on April 05, 2022, 07:25:37 AMThree Ring & Ride minibuses - I thing they're Peugeots. One looks mostly complete but the other two have had front end cannibalisation.
Fiat Ducatos
Quote from: Tony on April 05, 2022, 08:05:46 AMFiat Ducatos
I always get these mixed up with the Pugs and Citroens as they share the same body shape. Thanks for the correction!
4324, 4350, 4457 left today
4419 is due to leave from Coventry tomorrow
Quote from: Tony on April 05, 2022, 06:45:57 PM4419 is due to leave from Coventry tomorrow
This one going to scrap from Coventry?
4424 just being parked up at PN reserve.
4314 on the PN pad being prepped for West Midlands Fire Service.
Quote4314 on the PN pad being prepped for West Midlands Fire Service.
No, it was 2nd choice and got ready in case, but first choice 4239 has gone from WB
Quote from: Tony on April 25, 2022, 12:02:04 PMNo, it was 2nd choice and got ready in case, but first choice 4239 has gone from WB
Apologies
@Tony - this was the information from the PN engineer on Friday.
Is 4314 back on reserve or available for disposal?
A couple more deaths to report
AG 4283 & WA 4463
I'll do a full April list at the weekend
Quote from: Tony on April 27, 2022, 05:37:20 PMA couple more deaths to report
AG 4283 & WA 4463
I'll do a full April list at the weekend
4463 is missing off the list on the Main Site
4327 noted on stafford rd on trade plates anyone any ideas?
Used bus and coach, Warrington
1891 has appeared at South and City College as the new operational workshop bus; the replacement for 4194, which left us a few weeks ago
On loan for 6 months
4423 from Coventry now at Pensnett.
4512 from WB now withdrawn
91, 92, 93 have finally left the fleet and been reunited with 94 & 95, transferred to Ambassador Travel.
4322 has now left the fleet.
4439 WN-WITHDRAWN
Quote4322 has now left the fleet.
4439 WN-WITHDRAWN
4655 is another withdrawal
Is 4572 returning to service or is that not coming back?
Quote from: Jack on May 24, 2022, 08:39:01 PMIs 4572 returning to service or is that not coming back?
It is indeed, taken longer than expected but should be out by Friday.
Quote from: BN on May 24, 2022, 09:07:13 PMIt is indeed, taken longer than expected but should be out by Friday.
What depot should it be running from
Quote from: Tony on May 24, 2022, 07:37:55 PM4655 is another withdrawal
4655 another young gemini off to withdrawal
Quote from: BBS on May 24, 2022, 09:32:06 PM4655 another young gemini off to withdrawal
18 years old isn't young at all. That particular batch seem more tired than the others, presumably long lives on the 11 and other busy AG services have worn them out. Especially in comparison to the ex PB ones at AG, they are much more tidier.
Quote from: BNH2004 on May 24, 2022, 09:22:36 PMWhat depot should it be running from
Wolverhampton?
Quote from: Jack on May 24, 2022, 09:45:44 PMWolverhampton?
Not sure yet, may stay at its original home or go back to WA.
Quote from: BN on May 24, 2022, 10:41:49 PMNot sure yet, may stay at its original home or go back to WA.
We have decided to keep 4572.
4312 WN-WITHDRAWN
Quote from: Tony on May 19, 2022, 03:52:40 PM4423 from Coventry now at Pensnett.
4512 from WB now withdrawn
At present 4512 sits in westbroms death row in front of the admin bloc, currently missing side glass and various other items, diesel was being sucked out the other day.
Quote from: Jack on May 24, 2022, 09:43:57 PM18 years old isn't young at all. That particular batch seem more tired than the others, presumably long lives on the 11 and other busy AG services have worn them out. Especially in comparison to the ex PB ones at AG, they are much more tidier.
from my personal experience as a VOLVO bus fan boy, currently B7TL,S at westbrom are either very nice to drive or just aweful no middle ground. The ex coventry gems 4600s on the whole still very decent drive except for 4692 i think the transmission slop is dreadful. i assume the gems are'nt ideal candiates for EV conversion due to age.
Quote from: 2900 on June 05, 2022, 07:50:30 AMi assume the gems are'nt ideal candiates for EV conversion due to
Quote from: 2900 on June 05, 2022, 07:50:30 AMi assume the gems are'nt ideal candiates for EV conversion due to age.
I think the youngest are 16/17 years old. They probably have not much life left. There's a lot of new buses due over the next couple of years.
Three more tridents have died this week, 4455, 4458 and 4591
Quote from: Tony on June 08, 2022, 04:01:56 PMThree more tridents have died this week, 4455, 4458 and 4591
When are their funerals??? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :cry: :cry:. I'll get me coat
BU51 RYA ALX400 & BU04 BLV have been withdrawn over the past few days
Quote from: Bus Spotter Stephen on June 29, 2022, 05:18:57 PMBU51 RYA ALX400 & BU04 BLV have been withdrawn over the past few days
Devastated to hear 4295 has gone, has always been on the nicest ALX400's, that and 4301 are the lovely, especially being the last pair at AG untrapped.
Quote from: Jack on June 29, 2022, 06:51:33 PMDevastated to hear 4295 has gone, has always been on the nicest ALX400's, that and 4301 are the lovely, especially being the last pair at AG untrapped.
How many are left now?
QuoteThe fleetlist says?
And I have just done all the June changes, so completely up to date
How come 6137 was withdrawn, just wondering?
Quote from: Abluhwleh on July 02, 2022, 09:18:46 PMHow come 6137 was withdrawn, just wondering?
Arson attack while on the 11C
Quote from: BNH2004 on July 02, 2022, 09:28:34 PMArson attack while on the 11C
That'd do it, thanks for the reply.
Disposals for scrap starting again tomorrow after a few weeks gap.
4352 due to leave to PVS
QuoteDisposals for scrap starting again tomorrow after a few weeks gap.
4352 due to leave to PVS
4352 now on its way, next to leave will be 4403
4365 - BV52 OAB now withdrawn
It seems 4524 has run its last journey some thing in the engine compartment blew while going up Tividale,s Tower road, currently parked next to 4512 , pass scanner allready removed from it, plently of fluids leaking from it too.
BL53 EET & BL53 EEV have been withdrawn
4646 and 4552 have been withdrawn after engine failures
Random question but am I right in thinking that ALL of the pre MMC Enviro 400s NXWM bought are still in service?
Quote from: Abluhwleh on August 24, 2022, 07:32:05 PMRandom question but am I right in thinking that ALL of the pre MMC Enviro 400s NXWM bought are still in service?
All bar 4698 :wink:
Quote from: Abluhwleh on August 24, 2022, 07:32:05 PMRandom question but am I right in thinking that ALL of the pre MMC Enviro 400s NXWM bought are still in service?
Only 4698 (Training Bus) and 4816 (Scrapped) is no longer in service
QuoteOnly 4698 (Training Bus) and 4816 (Scrapped) is no longer in service
4816 was not scrapped and is still in service
QuoteOnly 4698 (Training Bus) and 4816 (Scrapped) is no longer in service
4816 is 4799 was given a new fleet number after an incident
I always forget 4698. Fairly incredible maintenance to keep a fleet that large intact for so long.
QuoteI always forget 4698. Fairly incredible maintenance to keep a fleet that large intact for so long.
Always used to see 4698 on the 6s. Looked odd with the Rear dest a bit on the right but loved the loud fan
4405 left for PVS Monday
4277; 4288; 4415; 4424 & 4430 have all gone to MC Tractors today
Quote from: Tony on August 25, 2022, 01:33:00 PM4405 left for PVS Monday
4277; 4288; 4415; 4424 & 4430 have all gone to MC Tractors today
Didn't have a chance to go on 4405 sadly, 4415 and 4424 however I did go on, RIP to all though.
4512 making good use of itself drivers front corner all stripped to repair 4688, not much left on it now, glass and most panels gone
4286, 4289, 4572 and 4633 have all been withdrawn
4245 is currently out on the 47.
It's MoT expires tomorrow, so its last day will be either today or tomorrow.
There was a ALX400 in red and white visible from Upper Dean Street on the land that used to be the wholesale market I believe., when I was there earlier.
Presume its one that has been disposed of.
QuoteThere was a ALX400 in red and white visible from Upper Dean Street on the land that used to be the wholesale market I believe., when I was there earlier.
Presume its one that has been disposed of.
It's a fire service event, so presumably theirs
Quote from: BNH2004 on September 29, 2022, 07:34:30 PM4286, 4289, 4572 and 4633 have all been withdrawn
Back in in Aug 2021 (https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=53.msg294162#msg294162), 4633 was at BC and was down for Euro 6 conversion along with 4619 and 4634.
Come Feb/Mar 2022, still non Euro 6 compliant, all three vehicles were dumped into Wolverhampton to avoid paying £50 CAZ charge, some 10 months
after NXWM MD David Bradford released a press statement that claimed (https://www.blackcountrychamber.co.uk/news/article/bus-is-the-solution-to-pollution/) :
Quote from: NXWM MD David Bradford 27-May-2021All our buses are Clean Air Zone compliant - we don't get charged the eight pounds, and neither do (our customers).
...in regards to the new Birmingham Clean Air Zone charges coming into force in June 2021 and how this would affect the operator.
Did 4619, 4633 and 4634 receive their planned Euro 6 upgrades while at PL in 2022 – to help meet NXWM emission compliance within Wolverhampton AQPS?
4411 CV-withdrawn
4666 has also been withdrawn from CV this morning
4482 possibly write off rip driver
Quote4482 WB-Withdrawn
Excuse me, no it isn't, see my comments about inappropriate comments regarding this incident
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2022, 03:42:11 PMExcuse me, no it isn't, see my comments about inappropriate comments regarding this incident
The damage in the photo didn't look too bad possibly repairable unless like 4520, 4482 becomes a training Bus instead due to the circumstances. Hope this isn't inappropriate
@Tony
It won't become a trainer, but it will be assessed by senior engineers once DVSA have examined and released it
Quote from: Tony on October 15, 2022, 04:31:02 PMIt won't become a trainer, but it will be assessed by senior engineers once DVSA have examined and released it
Ok mate cheers
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on October 15, 2022, 03:21:48 PM4482 WB-Withdrawn
Seriously man a fellow colleague has passed away and you post crap like this who cares, West Brom garage is grieving for one of its own a well known and respected funny chap only middle aged, Will be missed by all who knew him R.I.P
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on October 15, 2022, 03:21:48 PM4482 WB-Withdrawn
Echoing what Tony has already said, that's a very presumptious as well as inappropriate comment.
I suggest you think in future before posting stuff here.
Quote from: Stu on October 15, 2022, 05:49:25 PMEchoing what Tony has already said, that's a very presumptious as well as inappropriate comment.
I suggest you think in future before posting stuff here.
I second that
@Stu infact I think that's a good enough reason for a 24 hour block maybe?
Quote from: Stu on October 15, 2022, 05:49:25 PMEchoing what Tony has already said, that's a very presumptious as well as inappropriate comment.
I suggest you think in future before posting stuff here.
I notice he has changed/edited his previous post now
@Stu @2900 to stop him being blocked possibly. I worried about my post about 4482 might of been inappropriate at first but
@Tony answered it ok.
4410, 4671 CV-Withdrawn
4279, 4301 AG - Withdrawn
4253 WB & 4459 WA withdrawn
AG have just taken 4278 off tonight as well
QuoteAG have just taken 4278 off tonight as well
I believe the remainers are 4281 and 4284
Get your last ride on these if they are out today, finished at the end of service are:
4432; 4434; 4436; 4438 WN-Withdrawn
4413 CV-withdrawn
Turned up to PN today
(Tony already posted in transfers)
4407 CV-withdrawn
Do you know whether 4240 will have at least another 4 weeks in service
AG 4281 now appears to have been delisted from BusTimes, which if true, leaves just the WB Four, precisely 5% of that batch.
QuoteAG 4281 now appears to have been delisted from BusTimes, which if true, leaves just the WB Four, precisely 5% of that batch.
Yes, engine gone on 4281.
Still two at CV as well
Is WA 4565 withdrawn its disappeared off bus times. Is there anyway you can check past runnings of a withdrawn vehicles. Thanks.
QuoteIs WA 4565 withdrawn its disappeared off bus times. Is there anyway you can check past runnings of a withdrawn vehicles. Thanks.
Yes, and Yes, just type the registration number into the search box
4517 WB-Withdrawn
4414 CV-withdrawn
4531 has also been withdrawn, and just waiting confirmation from WB on 4272. They haven't marked it as withdrawn yet, so don't go rushing to delete it from Bustimes
Quote from: Danthebusman on November 23, 2022, 12:51:20 PM4414 CV-withdrawn
That's the last of the 4396-4414 batch (and the last new-to-Coventry Trident) gone.
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 23, 2022, 02:56:48 PMThat's the last of the 4396-4414 batch (and the last new-to-Coventry Trident) gone.
Yeah it's a shame but still have 4450/1/2/3/4 and 4576 which could see service in 2023
QuoteYeah it's a shame but still have 4450/1/2/3/4 and 4576 which could see service in 2023
And 4370
Pretty surprised that 4370 is still rocking about. Is it earmarked for preservation due to its '1000th low bus floor' title?
There was an offer in for 4370, but that has now been withdrawn, so it is available if anyone wants it and has the money available
There was an red and white NXWM decker in a yard south of Bromsgrove station on Tuesday morning. Any ideas which one?
(Sorry couldn't find the disposals thread...)
QuoteThere was an red and white NXWM decker in a yard south of Bromsgrove station on Tuesday morning. Any ideas which one?
(Sorry couldn't find the disposals thread...)
Preserved 4126
4482 collected by PVS for scrap
4244 4272 WB-withdrawn
...and then there were two...
Quote from: The Real 4778 on November 30, 2022, 10:33:40 PM...and then there were two...
Plus two (ALX400 B7TL) at Coventry
And six ALX400 Tridents at Coventry
Quote from: don on November 30, 2022, 11:39:51 PMAnd six ALX400 Tridents at Coventry
There's 7 Tridents left at Coventry (4370, 4450-4 & 4576)
1802 AG - Withdrawn
Quote from: don on November 30, 2022, 11:39:51 PMPlus two (ALX400 B7TL) at Coventry
And six ALX400 Tridents at Coventry
Make that 1 B7TL
4418 now withdrawn
is 4913 getting withdrawn after the incident that happened
Quoteis 4913 getting withdrawn after the incident that happened
No. There's very little damage to the bus
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on December 07, 2022, 05:20:16 PMMake that 1 B7TL
4418 now withdrawn
Better appreciate 4417 as the last 'vacuum' bus going at CV
4635 AG - Withdrawn
4583 YW - Withdrawn
Quote from: cris 99 on December 13, 2022, 04:47:18 PM4583 YW - Withdrawn
That one was the best by far, sad to see it go.
4240 WB - Withdrawn
4417 is now the last B7 ALX400 standing.
Got a withdrawal date for 4417?
@Tony
4311, 4428, 4429, 4435, 4440, 4442 WN-withdrawn.
Quote from: BN on December 17, 2022, 07:47:39 AM4311, 4428, 4429, 4435, 4440, 4442 WN-withdrawn.
BN, I make that 178 at Wolves, taking into account those withdrawals:
WN [102 DD/76 SD]2 Wright StreetLite (433/5)9 E200 (753; 845-52)
65 B7RLE (2001-29/59-90/92-95)1 MCW Metrobus (2957)
24 Trident (4427/41/43/45/49/64; 4535-39/41/58/61/77/94-99; 4619/27/32)8 E400 (4983/86-91/95)30 E400H (5401-30)39 E400MMC (6759-65/67-95; 6955-57)
___
178
That looks like 20% of WN's residual Tridents culled at a stroke; ex-service in the main.
Quite a proportion and I reckon leaving only 100 ALX400s nominally in service including B7 sole survivor 4417.
Quote from: paulb1973 on December 17, 2022, 04:35:18 PMBN, I make that 178 at Wolves, taking into account those withdrawals:
WN [102 DD/76 SD]
2 Wright StreetLite (433/5)
9 E200 (753; 845-52)
65 B7RLE (2001-29/59-90/92-95)
1 MCW Metrobus (2957)
24 Trident (4427/41/43/45/49/64; 4535-39/41/58/61/77/94-99; 4619/27/32)
8 E400 (4983/86-91/95)
30 E400H (5401-30)
39 E400MMC (6759-65/67-95; 6955-57)
___
178
Very close Paul.
431 WN
4464 withdrawn
E400H is 5411, 5413-30
E400 5401-10, 12
It will change quite a bit this week.
Quote from: BN on December 18, 2022, 06:55:36 AMVery close Paul.
431 WN
4464 withdrawn
E400H is 5411, 5413-30
E400 5401-10, 12
It will change quite a bit this week.
Thanks for that. Am I right in saying 431 is a PN bus loaned back to Wolverhampton?
Yes. It's there until the PN drivers have received training on it.
Incidentally 4535 is the Trident in Wolverhampton Corporation livery so hopefully will be preserved. It was on the 79 yesterday.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on December 18, 2022, 11:45:44 AMYes. It's there until the PN drivers have received training on it.
Incidentally 4535 is the Trident in Wolverhampton Corporation livery so hopefully will be preserved. It was on the 79 yesterday.
Thought that was the ultimate point for painting current in service vehicles in heritage livery, they would eventually join the heritage fleet full time?
I suppose eventually a red & white bus & a crimson bus will eventually be part of the heritage fleet?
(I suppose no later than the end of the decade or whenever they said diesel vehicles would be out of the picture?)
Not much tridents left now at WN
4537 is not yet withdrawn as its on the 16 to Stourbridge today.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on December 19, 2022, 12:44:43 PM4537 is not yet withdrawn as its on the 16 to Stourbridge today.
You say 'not yet' as though we're expecting these Tridents to end en masse - have I missed the withdrawal edict?
The batch of Tridents 4535-4539 were listed as withdrawn in an earlier post. However ALL are in use today.
That said, I do expect the number in service to continue to fall over the next few months as newer buses are cascaded from other depots.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on December 19, 2022, 03:05:16 PMThe batch of Tridents 4535-4539 (tel:4535-4539) were listed as withdrawn in an earlier post. However ALL are in use today.
That said, I do expect the number in service to continue to fall over the next few months as newer buses are cascaded from other depots.
4535 is Euro 6, not going anywhere anytime soon....
Quote from: Rachvince53 on December 19, 2022, 03:05:16 PMThe batch of Tridents 4535-4539 were listed as withdrawn in an earlier post.
Can't see any such claim TBH.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on December 19, 2022, 03:05:16 PMThe batch of Tridents 4535-4539 (tel:4535-4539) were listed as withdrawn in an earlier post. However ALL are in use today.
That said, I do expect the number in service to continue to fall over the next few months as newer buses are cascaded from other depots.
They were listed as still in service in
@paulb1973 post further back -
@BN corrected one withdrawal (4464). However I guess some more may go in due course but as stated, 4535 is Euro 6 so I would have thought will stick around in the same way as 4125 at Walsall.
All that said, with 43 new vehicles available when the charging arrangements are completed (after Christmas presumably), those non Euro 6 up to 4474 and between 4536 and 4592 must be on borrowed time!! Amazing some of the 4225 batch of B7TL's have lasted 20 yrs + - shades of the Metrobus and BCT standards!!
4577 WN-withdrawn
Quote from: BN on December 19, 2022, 06:17:10 PM4577 WN-withdrawn
Will Lazarus rise again, or is this the end?
Quote from: Rachvince53 on December 19, 2022, 03:05:16 PMThe batch of Tridents 4535-4539 were listed as withdrawn in an earlier post. However ALL are in use today.
That said, I do expect the number in service to continue to fall over the next few months as newer buses are cascaded from other depots.
They'll be a large number of buses withdrawn simply due to Pvr cuts from 3/1/23 + more withdrawn due to new Electrics entering service at NXC & newer cascades from NXC.
Breaking the usual no advance news, but to give people chance to see/travel on any of these out this week.
The list may change if defects are found on others
Vehicles currently planned to finish this year are below, some are already off the road.
AG: 4500; 4530; 4533; 4534; 4656
CV: 4417; 4668
WA: 4571; 4574; 4575
WB: 4240; 4505
WN: 4311; 4428; 4429; 4435; 4440; 4577 (4442 is getting a last minute reprive)
YW: 4392; 4581; 4582; 4583; 4588; 4592
QuoteBreaking the usual no advance news, but to give people chance to see/travel on any of these out this week
Vehicles currently planned to finish this year are below, some are already off the road.
AG: 4500; 4530; 4533; 4534; 4656
CV: 4417; 4668
WA: 4571; 4574; 4575
WB: 4240; 4505
WN: 4311; 4428; 4429; 4435; 4440; 4577 (4442 is getting a last minute reprive)
YW: 4392; 4581; 4582; 4583; 4588; 4592
Wasn't 4500 transferred to AG recently
Quote from: The Real 4778 on December 19, 2022, 06:26:51 PMWill Lazarus rise again, or is this the end?
Engine. Not a greatly reliable vehicle either so we let it go.
Quote from: BBS on December 20, 2022, 09:38:38 AMWasn't 4500 transferred to AG recently
PB - AG June 2021, here:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699/4500.html
QuotePB - AG June 2021, here:
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/4475-4699
Is 4500 euro 6?
Quote from: Tony on December 19, 2022, 08:06:58 PMBreaking the usual no advance news, but to give people chance to see/travel on any of these out this week.
The list may change if defects are found on others
Vehicles currently planned to finish this year are below, some are already off the road.
AG: 4500; 4530; 4533; 4534; 4656
CV: 4417; 4668
WA: 4571; 4574; 4575
WB: 4240; 4505
WN: 4311; 4428; 4429; 4435; 4440; 4577 (4442 is getting a last minute reprive)
YW: 4392; 4581; 4582; 4583; 4588; 4592
Looks like this is the last year for the B7TL ALX400s as sole survivor 4417 probs won't see service in 2023
Quote from: BBS on December 20, 2022, 12:03:31 PMIs 4500 euro 6?
Doesn't appear to be, judging by the results on here:
https://vehiclecheck.drive-clean-air-zone.service.gov.uk/air_zones/compliance
QuoteIs 4500 euro 6?
4476-96 were the ones done in that batch
Grey bus towed away Sunday Night rear of the top deck having been on fire, cannot remember the number she was a 68xx or 69xx i think anyway, is she to be repaired or withdrawn ?
i cant find anything online about it
Quote from: SUNDAY.BASH on December 20, 2022, 06:52:37 PMGrey bus towed away Sunday Night rear of the top deck having been on fire, cannot remember the number she was a 68xx or 69xx i think anyway, is she to be repaired or withdrawn ?
i cant find anything online about it
https://wmbusphotos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2960.msg306804#msg306804
6899 possibly? They'll assess the damage and see if its worth repairing.
Just seen a post on the coventry bus page saying 4417 has been withdrawn
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on December 22, 2022, 09:06:53 AMJust seen a post on the coventry bus page saying 4417 has been withdrawn
and 4668 (both were on Tony's list of 'might be gone before new year').
4505 WB - W
4536 WN - W
4571 WA - W
4574 WA - W
4575 WA - W
4581 YW - W
4582 YW - W
4583 YW - W
4588 YW - W
4592 YW - W
Quote from: cris 99 on December 23, 2022, 04:14:11 PM4505 WB - W etc...
Wow! This is a proper cull.
By my quick calculation there are 91 Tridents and 91 Gemini remaining.
Has 4453 been withdrawn as someone has marked it as withdrawn on bustimes
QuoteHas 4453 been withdrawn as someone has marked it as withdrawn on bustimes
No Reason they put us complete**** as well
Quote from: BNH2004 on December 23, 2022, 09:52:19 PMHas 4453 been withdrawn as someone has marked it as withdrawn on bustimes
Why is bus times seemingly available to be edited by anyone?
@Tony has 1802 been withdrawn
Belated report: 4272 seen heading towards Pensnett on Friday 23/12 @13.45hrs on trade plates (probably reported elsewhere on the forum - apologies if it has been!)
4534/4637 AG - Withdrawn
4410 has left for PVS this morning
Current view of PN withdrawn fleet from main gates. Usually, there are far fewer vehicles in-situ, there's normally space where the CV Gemini and Scania are.
Current list of vehicles in PN yard in rough layout order for anyone looking over from the footpath the other side of the fence
1813 1814 1844 1868 7032 7029
1809 1807 1822 7020 7024 7027
1839 1808 7022 1904 1924 7030
4434 4414 4420 4281 1802 7025 1952
space 4636 4633
space
space
4536
4563
4409
4428
4641 4556
4432 4448
4429 4531
4435 4289
4553 4438
4555 4559
4464 4284
4418 4562
4272 A414
4634 A402
4436 A401
4245 A408
4440 4301 A405
4533 A406
4534 A410
4668 Slave Tyres
4662
9951
Quote from: Tony on January 16, 2023, 01:18:39 PMCurrent list of vehicles in PN yard in rough layout order for anyone looking over from the footpath the other side of the fence
1813 1814 1844 1868 7032 7029
1809 1807 1822 7020 7024 7027
1839 1808 7022 1904 1924 7030
4434 4414 4420 4281 1802 7025 1952
space 4636 4633
space
space
4536
4563
4409
4428
4641 4556
4432 4448
4429 4531
4435 4289
4553 4438
4555 4559
4464 4284
4418 4562
4272 A414
4634 A402
4436 A401
4245 A408
4440 4301 A405
4533 A406
4534 A410
4668 Slave Tyres
4662
9951
Not enough single deckers
Quote from: Tony on January 16, 2023, 01:18:39 PMCurrent list of vehicles in PN yard in rough layout order for anyone looking over from the footpath the other side of the fence
1813 1814 1844 1868 7032 7029
1809 1807 1822 7020 7024 7027
1839 1808 7022 1904 1924 7030
4434 4414 4420 4281 1802 7025 1952
space 4636 4633
space
space
4536
4563
4409
4428
4641 4556
4432 4448
4429 4531
4435 4289
4553 4438
4555 4559
4464 4284
4418 4562
4272 A414
4634 A402
4436 A401
4245 A408
4440 4301 A405
4533 A406
4534 A410
4668 Slave Tyres
4662
9951
Guessing 4662 was a recent withdrawal
1823 PB - W gone off bustimes and marked as Withdrawn
Quote from: cris 99 on January 19, 2023, 06:01:37 PM1823 PB - W gone off bustimes and marked as Withdrawn
Maybe we should wait for official confirmation. Bustimes is for tracking the bus you're waiting for.
QuoteMaybe we should wait for official confirmation. Bustimes is for tracking the bus you're waiting for.
1510 on bustimes is me, so any changes showing with that number should be accurate
Quote from: Tony on January 19, 2023, 07:54:15 PM1510 on bustimes is me, so any changes showing with that number should be accurate
It's not, you're 1503
4283 parked on road just outside PN staff car park yesterday afternoon with front panel missing, assumed awaiting to be parked in withdrawals. Still there this morning.
4541 WN - withdrawn
What's happening with 6137 and 6899 after there arson attacks, are they being Scrapped or being repaired?
QuoteWhat's happening with 6137 and 6899 after there arson attacks, are they being Scrapped or being repaired?
6137 will be scrapped, not muchh left anyway, 6899 repaired by Alexander Dennis
1797 AG - W
1832 PB - W
4670 CV - W
Quote1797 AG - W
1832 PB - W
4670 CV - W
Why was 1797 withdrawn?
QuoteWhy was 1797 withdrawn?
Because it is rotton
QuoteBecause it is rotton
Oh right
4530 AG - W
4649 AG - W
Quote from: Wumpty on January 20, 2023, 06:54:36 AM4283 parked on road just outside PN staff car park yesterday afternoon with front panel missing, assumed awaiting to be parked in withdrawals. Still there this morning.
Popped past PN this morning, 4283 is still parked up in the same place! 4560 is parked just inside the car park, but on the car side. Presume the withdrawls space is full?
Whilst I was there, 5427 popped into PN for running repairs!
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on January 31, 2023, 03:46:50 PMPopped past PN this morning, 4283 is still parked up in the same place! 4560 is parked just inside the car park, but on the car side. Presume the withdrawls space is full?
Whilst I was there, 5427 popped into PN for running repairs!
You only just managed to see 4283. It was collected by MC Tractors for scrap today. 4289 went to PVS yesterday and 1432 was collected for preservation today
4671 - C Now has been moved to Chaserider Cannock
Quote from: Dennis Dart Plaxton Pointer on February 03, 2023, 03:37:44 PM4671 - C Now has been moved to Chaserider Cannock
To be more accurate, the vehicle that was NXC, now owned by The Bus Works was getting an MoT at the Delta Way MoT Station
Quote from: Tony on February 03, 2023, 04:16:53 PMTo be more accurate, the vehicle that was NXC, now owned by The Bus Works was getting an MoT at the Delta Way MoT Station
These are for sale to.
Volvo B7TL Wrightbus Gemini's - Birmingham Busworks (thebusworks.co.uk) (https://thebusworks.co.uk/shop/volvo-b7tl-wrightbus-geminis/)
So might see use somewhere else in the future perhaps.
Saw 4272 and 4559 (I believe) being towed at birchley island about 12:30
yes it was 4559 i also saw it at Birchley Island :grin: :grin:
Is 4689 withdrawn it hasn't been out since June last year
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on February 27, 2023, 09:34:02 AMIs 4689 withdrawn it hasn't been out since June last year
No
Just searched this forum and apparently 4488 is withdrawn. Does anyone know why? Thought the Euro 6 ones are safe 😅
Quote from: winston on March 02, 2023, 12:46:47 PMIt was accident damaged due to its driver being taken ill at the wheel & subsequently dying.
This was 4482; 4488 was withdrawn due to substantial damage following a thermal incident.
@Tony Think you mean 4563 not 4566 as sold on this months changes, thanks for the updates as usual
Quote from: uniquicity on March 02, 2023, 06:49:50 PM@Tony
Think you mean 4563 not 4566 as sold on this months changes, thanks for the updates as usual
I do!
I have no corrected it. 4563 was moved from the fleetlist
NX Liveried Levente III that hit the central bridge pillar Junction 2, M6 is currently parked up in the corner of Pensnett depot yard, presumably awaiting scrapping, as there's not much left of the front end. Unable to ID, but presume it is an NXWM one:
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/first-pictures-horror-m6-coach-25950732
Quote from: winston on March 03, 2023, 01:14:42 PMNX Liveried Levente III that hit the central bridge pillar Junction 2, M6 is currently parked up in the corner of Pensnett depot yard, presumably awaiting scrapping, as there's not much left of the front end. Unable to ID, but presume it is an NXWM one:
https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/first-pictures-horror-m6-coach-25950732
To save the questions it is 270
4537 WN withdrawn
4678 CV Withdrawn
4660 CV - withdrawn
Quote from: Danthebusman on March 09, 2023, 08:07:49 PM4660 CV - withdrawn
And 4427, but I haven't done that one on Bustimes, and no doubt someone will beat me to it now
Quote from: Tony on March 09, 2023, 09:18:31 PMAnd 4427, but I haven't done that one on Bustimes, and no doubt someone will beat me to it now
Has this & 4537 been withdrawn due to being inspected & needing fair bit work on them so easier to withdrawal which transfers replace them from cov ?
Quote from: Wright liberator on March 10, 2023, 10:53:20 AMHas this & 4537 been withdrawn due to being inspected & needing fair bit work on them so easier to withdrawal which transfers replace them from cov ?
There both not Euro 6
Quote from: Wright liberator on March 10, 2023, 10:53:20 AMHas this & 4537 been withdrawn due to being inspected & needing fair bit work on them so easier to withdrawal which transfers replace them from cov ?
No, they have been withdrawn because their engtines have failed
Quote from: Tony on March 10, 2023, 12:32:57 PMNo, they have been withdrawn because their engtines have failed
Is that not unusual to Withdraw a bus just because the engine has failed, cant they fit one from another vehicle that has come to the end but the P.U. is reusable ? i always thought if an engine failed, it was simply swapped out for another one, back in the day The Ford A used to have a note on the speedo and the map to say new engine fitted but, that was PTE days
Quote from: SUNDAY.BASH on March 13, 2023, 10:38:47 PMIs that not unusual to Withdraw a bus just because the engine has failed, cant they fit one from another vehicle that has come to the end but the P.U. is reusable ? i always thought if an engine failed, it was simply swapped out for another one, back in the day The Ford A used to have a note on the speedo and the map to say new engine fitted but, that was PTE days
They would swap the engine normally if the bus had a reasonable service life left. But no point in replacing engines, when these batches are currently being withdrawn & scrapped.
I see 4501 has been removed off bustimes is withdrawn Tony heard no talk of this anywhere?
Quote from: cris 99 on March 18, 2023, 07:42:02 PMI see 4501 has been removed off bustimes is withdrawn Tony heard no talk of this anywhere?
Tony edited that 4445 was withdrawn since his user is 1502 but idk who user 1911 is
Yea I know Tony is 1503 so I know if posted it's 100% accurate
Quote from: cris 99 on March 18, 2023, 07:42:02 PMI see 4501 has been removed off bustimes is withdrawn Tony heard no talk of this anywhere?
There's a pic on Facebook of 4501 at AG saying it is withdrawn - so I'd imagine it is.
QuoteThere's a pic on Facebook of 4501 at AG saying it is withdrawn - so I'd imagine it is.
Can you show?
4453 has been withdrawn due to needing an expensive repair, front to back chassis loom. (This is the group of wires which control the accelerator, so at the moment it can only be moved at slow speed around the garage)
Quote from: Tony on March 21, 2023, 07:14:12 PM4453 has been withdrawn due to needing an expensive repair, front to back chassis loom. (This is the group of wires which control the accelerator, so at the moment it can only be moved at slow speed around the garage)
Sad but understandable given its age.
4386,4551,4580 all withdrawn from YW
4441 from WN
How many ALX400 Tridents remain in service now?
I reckon less than a hundred.
Quote from: Rachvince53 on March 28, 2023, 09:18:41 AMHow many ALX400 Tridents remain in service now?
currently there's about 81 left
BC = 20
CV = 6
WA = 13
WN = 16
YW = 26
Thanks. I wouldn't think CV's have long left.
4643 AG - Withdrawn
Quote from: cris 99 on April 03, 2023, 05:59:02 AM4643 AG - Withdrawn
It's already included in March fleet changes
QuoteIt's already included in March fleet changes
Is there a link to the march fleet changes please?
4370 CV - withdrawn
Quote from: BBS on April 03, 2023, 11:20:18 AMIs there a link to the march fleet changes please?
Go to the main site
4370 been marked as withdrawn but I will await confirmation on that
Quote from: cris 99 on April 03, 2023, 12:01:59 PM4370 been marked as withdrawn but I will await confirmation on that
Quote from: Tony on April 03, 2023, 11:24:17 AM4370 CV - withdrawn
Already been confirmed by Tony
QuoteGo to the main site
Alright thanks
4658 AG-withdrawn, just arrived at PN
saw Nat Express coach formerly 95? Regn No BX65 WBD in Coventry in mid afternoon
Saturday (8th April)....listed as withdrawn???
Quote from: windy miller on April 09, 2023, 03:18:08 PMsaw Nat Express coach formerly 95? Regn No BX65 WBD in Coventry in mid afternoon
Saturday (8th April)....listed as withdrawn???
Now with Ambassador Coaches
Thanks Tony.. incidentally Were you asking for Photo pics of LTS buses in one of your posts recently? I seem to remember you were hoping to create a full set? I cant find it...
Quote from: windy miller on April 09, 2023, 03:44:41 PMThanks Tony.. incidentally Were you asking for Photo pics of LTS buses in one of your posts recently? I seem to remember you were hoping to create a full set? I cant find it...
Hi
No, I have managed to photograph all 1000 of the LTs myself, so have a full set
Well done. Q. I have a number of NX coaches still on my list are they still
in service? 214 215 216 217 218 219 222 223 224 226 ( all originally WA)
and also an additional 5 which I have no reg' s for: ie 229 230 231 232 233
Advice appreciated thanks.
Quote4658 AG-withdrawn, just arrived at PN
Well, that puts and end to red and whites at AG. I'm sure than 4651 isn't euro 6 either and doesn't have much time left too
Quote from: BBS on April 10, 2023, 11:00:51 AMWell, that puts and end to red and whites at AG. I'm sure than 4651 isn't euro 6 either and doesn't have much time left too
None of the 45** or 46** at AG are Euro 6.
Quote from: Jack on April 10, 2023, 11:02:49 AMNone of the 45** or 46** at AG are Euro 6.
4651 has an adblue filler, doesn't this mean that it had the work done to convert to Euro 6? Or was this from the earlier lot that were all converted but turns out they weren't upgraded after all.
Quote from: Gareth on April 10, 2023, 11:06:07 AM4651 has an adblue filler, doesn't this mean that it had the work done to convert to Euro 6? Or was this from the earlier lot that were all converted but turns out they weren't upgraded after all.
The earlier lot they weren't upgraded after all.
Quote from: BBS on April 10, 2023, 11:00:51 AMWell, that puts and end to red and whites at AG. I'm sure than 4651 isn't euro 6 either and doesn't have much time left too
AG have 3 red and white scanias. 1798, 1800, 1806.
Is 4648 withdrawn as per bustimes? Wouldn't be surprised if so, it's really on its last legs it pains me to say
Quote from: ZF B7 on April 30, 2023, 11:01:41 AMIs 4648 withdrawn as per bustimes? Wouldn't be surprised if so, it's really on its last legs it pains me to say
No it isn't
Just watched a video about a 'scrapyard' in Ireland. It's at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O04MZ9--7Q At 11.33 there's a WMPTE Fleetline ex City Sightseeing. There's also a Lynx in white but it seems to have a three-track number blind so probably isn't a WMT one.
Quote from: Stevo on May 02, 2023, 05:47:27 PMJust watched a video about a 'scrapyard' in Ireland. It's at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O04MZ9--7Q At 11.33 there's a WMPTE Fleetline ex City Sightseeing. There's also a Lynx in white but it seems to have a three-track number blind so probably isn't a WMT one.
It's all been cleared now. The owner actually called it a 'museum'
6988 WB-Withdrawn it has gone off bus times
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on May 26, 2023, 08:43:06 AM6988 WB-Withdrawn it has gone off bus times
Then it must be true ..... wait till Tony confirms this
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on May 26, 2023, 08:43:06 AM6988 WB-Withdrawn it has gone off bus times
Clearly the armchair enthusiasts on Bustimes are also vehicle assessors too....
Quote from: winston on May 26, 2023, 09:53:05 AMClearly the armchair enthusiasts on Bustimes are also vehicle assessors too....
It has a book value of nearly a quarter of a million pounds, so we will wait to see what repair cost Alexander Dennis give us before withdrawal
Quote from: Tony on May 26, 2023, 10:10:03 AMIt has a book value of nearly a quarter of a million pounds, so we will wait to see what repair cost Alexander Dennis give us before withdrawal
Exactly, no way would it have been assessed, repair costs priced & a decision made on its future less than 48 hrs after the fire.
The type of fire / damage will be comparable to 6899 which is currently being repaired, plus 6988 is newer still & will therefore have a higher book value.
Quote from: Tony on May 26, 2023, 10:10:03 AMIt has a book value of nearly a quarter of a million pounds, so we will wait to see what repair cost Alexander Dennis give us before withdrawal
Heard it's going to be a new platinum open topper
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on May 26, 2023, 08:43:06 AM6988 WB-Withdrawn it has gone off bus times
You're jumping the gun, just like the other 'enthusiasts' also jumping to swift conclusions.
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/tnxb-6988/history
BusTimes isn't a 'competition', it's meant to be an informative resource, but some people are ruining it for everybody else.
Quote from: winston on May 26, 2023, 10:49:34 AMExactly, no way would it have been assessed, repair costs priced & a decision made on its future less than 48 hrs after the fire.
The type of fire / damage will be comparable to 6899 which is currently being repaired, plus 6988 is newer still & will therefore have a higher book value.
I put the 2 photos together from 6766, both arsons are exactly the same.
Quote from: BN on May 27, 2023, 10:04:25 AMI put the 2 photos together from 6766, both arsons are exactly the same.
Back seats top deck?
WB 1945/1946 have sat in dead bus row for quite some time now, have they suffered major mechanical issues, its been a while since i seen one of the engineers to ask the question.
Alexander Dennis are coming to assess 6988 on Friday for rebuilding or rebodying, only when they give us a price a few days later will anyone know if it is withdrawn
Quote from: Tony on May 31, 2023, 04:25:18 PMAlexander Dennis are coming to assess 6988 on Friday for rebuilding or rebodying, only when they give us a price a few days later will anyone know if it is withdrawn
There is no way its gonna be fixed to expensive with the amount of damage
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on May 31, 2023, 04:43:10 PMThere is no way its gonna be fixed to expensive with the amount of damage
So, I presume you know how much Alexander Dennis charge for a new body and what the book value of the bus is then?
QuoteThere is no way its gonna be fixed to expensive with the amount of damage
How can you say " there is no way " when you haven't even seen the damage and most of all how can you claim that the manufacturer can't fix it?
I have seen the damage
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on May 31, 2023, 05:07:31 PMI have seen the damage
But you obviously have no idea how insurance works.
I'll give you an idea. A bus is 'written down' over around 18 years. That bus is 3.5 years old, so so far has only lost around 1/5 of its value.
If Alexander Dennis will put a new body on the existing chassis for 3/5 the price of a new bus then it is a 1/5 saving having it rebuilt
4669 - last day in service tomorrow
Seen a post saying 4454 has been withdrawn
Quote from: Coventrybususer95 on June 13, 2023, 04:34:41 PMSeen a post saying 4454 has been withdrawn
it has, overheating issues
Quote from: Danthebusman on June 13, 2023, 08:50:45 PMit has, overheating issues
It also had a really bad leak
4483 WB - withdrawn
back in dead bus row next to the tyre bay WB
4483 parts being removed from dashboard another volvo bites the dust
@BN @Tony given the raft of withdrawals from the Trident and Gemini fleet, how safe are 4535 and 4679? As both are heritage liveried buses, you made informed decision for their longevity at the time they were painted, though given their age and dwindling type, what's their long term future prospects?
I'm hoping they'll be around for years to come!
Quote from: Wumpty on June 28, 2023, 10:44:00 AM@BN @Tony given the raft of withdrawals from the Trident and Gemini fleet, how safe are 4535 and 4679? As both are heritage liveried buses, you made informed decision for their longevity at the time they were painted, though given their age and dwindling type, what's their long term future prospects?
I'm hoping they'll be around for years to come!
4535 is Euro 6, so reasonably safe for the time being, 4679 is not, so needs to be off the road by January 24th 2024
Quote from: Tony on June 28, 2023, 11:13:27 AM4535 is Euro 6, so reasonably safe for the time being, 4679 is not, so needs to be off the road by January 24th 2024
Is 4651 in the same situation as 4679 (I seem to recall that like 4535, 4125 is Euro 6 as well).
Quote from: don on June 28, 2023, 12:20:01 PMIs 4651 in the same situation as 4679 (I seem to recall that like 4535, 4125 is Euro 6 as well).
Yes, 4651 will have to finish by 24th january
Quote from: Tony on June 28, 2023, 12:54:11 PMYes, 4651 will have to finish by 24th january
Any idea when 4125 will go
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on June 28, 2023, 01:00:01 PMAny idea when 4125 will go
It's Euro 6? So is staying for now as Tony has said!
Quote from: Tony on June 28, 2023, 12:54:11 PMYes, 4651 will have to finish by 24th january
Thanks
@Tony - I'm presuming 4780 is also Euro 6, but given the next batch of electrics is 300 vehicles, this would result, as well as Scanias finishing, most of the Euro 6 up to 4780 or beyond may be replaced (I'm aware you may not be able to confirm future plans currently)
Quote from: don on June 28, 2023, 05:08:25 PMThanks @Tony - I'm presuming 4780 is also Euro 6, but given the next batch of electrics is 300 vehicles, this would result, as well as Scanias finishing, most of the Euro 6 up to 4780 or beyond may be replaced (I'm aware you may not be able to confirm future plans currently)
Is it possible one of the B7RLE from Coventry may replace 4651 in the heritage livery?
I think one of the E200 at Coventry replaced 4453?
Quote from: 2206 on June 28, 2023, 07:10:03 PMIs it possible one of the B7RLE from Coventry may replace 4651 in the heritage livery?
No
Doesn't what is left of the current vehicles painted in heritage liveries go 'full time' into the heritage fleet anyway?
Quote from: 2206 on June 28, 2023, 07:10:03 PMIs it possible one of the B7RLE from Coventry may replace 4651 in the heritage livery?
I think one of the E200 at Coventry replaced 4453?
Could be a Crimson 61** they are due repainting?
QuoteCould be a Crimson 61** they are due repainting?
That would be interesting to see.
4318 (rotton outriggers)
4573 (engine)
have both been withdrawn at Walsall
4389 (electrical problems) has also now been withdrawn
Quite sad news, but 21 years is an insanely good lifespan for a bus used almost every day for long hours. Just shows the impressive build quality of these vehicles. Hopefully there will be a special day for the final day of service for the ALX400 and Wright Eclipse Gemini 1 bus types.
And the maintenance they have had over the years
4619 WN-WITHDRAWN
With 4538 finishing at WN, they now become the 4th 100% euro 6 garage, CV & YW shouldn't be far behind.
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2023, 02:19:22 PMWith 4538 finishing at WN, they now become the 4th 100% euro 6 garage, CV & YW shouldn't be far behind.
Is 4449 Euro 6?
I make the numbers of non Euro 6 as:-
CV - 4 (will be 3 when 4452 goes)
AG - 18
WB - 18
WA - 10
WN - 1 (4449 if non Euro 6)
YW - 7
Quote from: don on July 05, 2023, 05:14:07 PMIs 4449 Euro 6?
I make the numbers of non Euro 6 as:-
CV - 4 (will be 3 when 4452 goes)
AG - 18
WB - 18
WA - 10
WN - 1 (4449 if non Euro 6)
YW - 7
4449 is euro 6
Quote from: don on July 05, 2023, 05:14:07 PMIs 4449 Euro 6?
I make the numbers of non Euro 6 as:-
CV - 4 (will be 3 when 4452 goes)
AG - 18
WB - 18
WA - 10
WN - 1 (4449 if non Euro 6)
YW - 7
Yes, 4449 is euro6 as per my post you are replying to saying WN is 100% euro 6
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2023, 05:39:46 PMYes, 4449 is euro6 as per my post you are replying to saying WN is 100% euro 6
Thanks - I had seen the WN garage post. Just a little surprised to see 4449 is Euro 6 given it being somewhat isolated from other Euro 6 buses in that fleet number series, and presumably dates from its days at BC? I'm presuming 4460 is not, and 4466-74 are Euro 6.
Quote from: don on July 05, 2023, 06:33:10 PMThanks - I had seen the WN garage post. Just a little surprised to see 4449 is Euro 6 given it being somewhat isolated from other Euro 6 buses in that fleet number series, and presumably dates from its days at BC? I'm presuming 4460 is not, and 4466-74 are Euro 6.
When the euro 6 kits were ordered for Tridents it was expected that there would be 7 Tridents in the training fleet. In the end 4257 & 4258 were used as they were in better condition than any withdrawn tridents which left two spare kits. These were used on 4125 & 4449
Quote from: Tony on July 05, 2023, 02:19:22 PMWith 4538 finishing at WN, they now become the 4th 100% euro 6 garage, CV & YW shouldn't be far behind.
Are all the enviro 400's 4718 - 4776 euro4/5 still or most these been converted to euro6 ?
Quote from: Wright liberator on July 07, 2023, 09:39:20 AMAre all the enviro 400's 4718 - 4776 euro4/5 still or most these been converted to euro6 ?
They're all euro 6 I believe as they operate in Birmingham. Unless there's an odd stray one.
Quote from: Wright liberator on July 07, 2023, 09:39:20 AMAre all the enviro 400's 4718 - 4776 euro4/5 still or most these been converted to euro6 ?
Only non-euro 6 buses are tridents, Geminis & some of the training fleet
4452 - withdrawn
6988 has now been officially withdrawn. Before anyone comments.tony had confirmed in a comment that the insurers had written it off this week.
Quote from: cris 99 on July 28, 2023, 05:16:26 AM6988 has now been officially withdrawn. Before anyone comments.tony had confirmed in a comment that the insurers had written it off this week.
It was obvious before even being said that it was write off
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on July 28, 2023, 07:03:25 AMIt was obvious before even being said that it was write off
No it wasn't. Alexander Dennis didn't want to put the chassis through for a rebody was the main reason. If they had a new body would have cost less than the book value so it would not have been withdrawn.
Have there been any cases of modern buses being rebodied due to fire or accident? I can't think of any but then again I don't keep tracks of all operators any more. I think 4014 came quite close at one time, but wasn't the plan someone like Northern Counties or East Lancs rather than Optare?
1965 Birmingham Fleetline 3531 was fire-damaged and after some years was rebodied by Metro-Cammell as 5531. Perhaps not really modern, though.
Quote from: Stevo on July 28, 2023, 05:29:03 PM1965 Birmingham Fleetline 3531 was fire-damaged and after some years was rebodied by Metro-Cammell as 5531. Perhaps not really modern, though.
I was thinking much later than that. I know of rebodied Birmingham, Coventry and WMPTE vehicles. But nothing I can think of after the 70s. Possibly the rebodied Grey Green B10M coaches rebodied as double deck buses, but that's about the last I can think of.
Quote from: Gareth on July 28, 2023, 10:00:33 AMHave there been any cases of modern buses being rebodied due to fire or accident? I can't think of any but then again I don't keep tracks of all operators any more. I think 4014 came quite close at one time, but wasn't the plan someone like Northern Counties or East Lancs rather than Optare?
Slightly straying from the subject a little,two London Titans,barely two years old,were written off after an arson incident in 1981.
Stagecoach Manchester Enviro 400 19425 MX58 FUH was rebodied after an arson attack
Quote from: Stevo on July 28, 2023, 05:29:03 PM1965 Birmingham Fleetline 3531 was fire-damaged and after some years was rebodied by Metro-Cammell as 5531. Perhaps not really modern, though.
It was back in the day LOL!
Good post though!
WB 4483 has returned to dead bus row minus engine/transmission
WB 4516 Parked out back looking bleak with the steering wheel cover on
Quote from: 2900 on August 05, 2023, 08:20:33 AMWB 4484 has returned to dead bus row minus engine/transmission
WB 4516 Parked out back looking bleak with the steering wheel cover on
4484 ?? It's currently on 80
Quote from: Gareth on July 28, 2023, 10:00:33 AMHave there been any cases of modern buses being rebodied due to fire or accident? I can't think of any but then again I don't keep tracks of all operators any more. I think 4014 came quite close at one time, but wasn't the plan someone like Northern Counties or East Lancs rather than Optare?
WA 4134 had fire damage around 2004 and was Rebuilt. As was PB 4927 around 2017.
Quote from: Lynx1103 on August 05, 2023, 12:01:57 PMWA 4134 had fire damage around 2004 and was Rebuilt. As was PB 4927 around 2017.
4927 was 2015. Was 18 months old when it had its fire.
Two more buses formally withdrawn today
4383 rotten chassis
4390 engine
4360 and 4460 both withdrawn this morning
4576 has developed an ABS fault and has been withdrawn.
4451 last day will be Thursday
4664 currently has a fault and will die if it needs any money spending on it
4504, 4638 both withdrawn this morning
CV 4451 - Withdrawn
Quote from: Tony on August 16, 2023, 09:12:41 AM4504, 4638 both withdrawn this morning
The latter falls into a rare category-one I haven't seen in service.
1945 & 1946 now formerly withdrawn
4578 is another Trident withdrawn, regular 'Failing to starts' killing it off
How long do the tridents have left? Are they gone when the 300 electric buses come in?
Quote from: Dylan4579 on August 21, 2023, 11:33:20 PMHow long do the tridents have left? Are they gone when the 300 electric buses come in?
Probably will January
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on August 22, 2023, 03:17:23 AMProbably will January
Your name isn't Tony.
Tony said another 18 months if I remember correctly.
Quote from: Tony on August 18, 2023, 03:00:25 PM4578 is another Trident withdrawn, regular 'Failing to starts' killing it off
Bit petty that isnt it ?
Failed to start = WITHDRAWN
Blimey i thought the railway were petty
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on August 22, 2023, 06:04:49 PMBit petty that isnt it ?
Failed to start = WITHDRAWN
Blimey i thought the railway were petty
So you're happy to have a bus that keeps breaking down at Terminii so missing journies and leaving passengers waiting for up to half an hour?
Perhaps they have plans to sell it to Chaserider
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on August 22, 2023, 06:04:49 PMBit petty that isnt it ?
Failed to start = WITHDRAWN
Blimey i thought the railway were petty
It was on 31/32 service other day and driver in bus station tried for 3 minutes at least before the engine started up so it's better to be withdrawn than spend money on it.
Quote from: Mayfield on August 22, 2023, 06:59:20 PMPerhaps they have plans to sell it to Chaserider
Why would they sell it to chase rider?
Quote from: WA4317 on August 22, 2023, 08:35:53 PMWhy would they sell it to chase rider?
A poor attempt at humour, I suspect.
Quote from: Tony on August 22, 2023, 06:09:47 PMSo you're happy to have a bus that keeps breaking down at Terminii so missing journies and leaving passengers waiting for up to half an hour?
Just seems petty when there are so many withdrawn for better reasons that can maybe have the starter / ignition system recovered and fitted
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on August 28, 2023, 02:57:13 PMJust seems petty when there are so many withdrawn for better reasons that can maybe have the starter / ignition system recovered and fitted
Wouldn't certain withdrawn buses be stripped for parts anyway?
Example - 4601 had a donor axle from another vehicle ISTR on a previous occasion it was off the road.
What 'bits' are reusable?
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on August 28, 2023, 02:57:13 PMJust seems petty when there are so many withdrawn for better reasons that can maybe have the starter / ignition system recovered and fitted
Who says it's the starter/ignition system? One of the main reasons for failing to start is a fault in the front to back chassis loom, but there's many other reasons like fuel starvation for one
Looks like 4331 has died this morning. Its engine has seized
Quote from: Tony on August 29, 2023, 01:19:16 PMLooks like 4331 has died this morning. Its engine has seized
Surprised that one's lasted so long, sounded like it was close to death in 2021.
Quote from: Tony on August 28, 2023, 05:12:50 PMWho says it's the starter/ignition system? One of the main reasons for failing to start is a fault in the front to back chassis loom, but there's many other reasons like fuel starvation for one
fair enough
4450 WA-Withdrawn
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on September 02, 2023, 09:35:03 PM4450 WA-Withdrawn
How can it be withdrawn if it's out in service on the 37/41 route tonight. Might be the last day in service. Just got to wait and see for certain. I can't see it being last day in service anyway because it's now tracking on bustimes.
Quote from: PB50 on September 02, 2023, 09:50:35 PMHow can it be withdrawn if it's out in service on the 37/41 route tonight. Might be the last day in service. Just got to wait and see for certain.
Even tracking on Bustimes as are all the Coventry transfers
To ALL members
Unless you actually work for NX Bus (and can therefore state with certainty what is true), members should refrain from posting hearsay/gossip/rumours/guesses as facts.
In future, when posting claims about any bus being withdrawn or transferred, please provide a source/link.
The bickering and squabbling is getting tiresome, if it continues, then it won't just be posts that get removed...
4450 out on the 31 this morning. Just to prove the post was rubbish!
Quote from: Tony on September 04, 2023, 07:17:33 AM4450 out on the 31 this morning. Just to prove the post was rubbish!
Still out at approx 1630, as I saw it at Asda Bloxwich traffic lights on the 32.
Quote from: Westy on September 04, 2023, 05:37:08 PMStill out at approx 1630, as I saw it at Asda Bloxwich traffic lights on the 32.
Due to finish shortly.
6988 finally brought in after months outside getting soaked, looks like the drivetrain getting ready to be removed possibly for transplant into another i did read of one with engine issues i forget the fleet number.
4691 not looking good in dead bus row top half of the engine dismantled, turbo removed along with ancillaries been over 5/6 weeks
Quote from: 2900 on September 06, 2023, 02:14:06 PM6988 finally brought in after months outside getting soaked, looks like the drivetrain getting ready to be removed possibly for transplant into another i did read of one with engine issues i forget the fleet number.
4691 not looking good in dead bus row top half of the engine dismantled, turbo removed along with ancillaries been over 5/6 weeks
It has been broken since February but went out in service for 3 hour 2 months ago on 87 until it broke down
Is 4691 withdrawn? as its not on bus times anymore
Quote from: 2900 on September 06, 2023, 02:14:06 PM6988 finally brought in after months outside getting soaked, looks like the drivetrain getting ready to be removed possibly for transplant into another i did read of one with engine issues i forget the fleet number.
4691 not looking good in dead bus row top half of the engine dismantled, turbo removed along with ancillaries been over 5/6 weeks
6988 only in service though just a smidgen over 4 years. Pretty appalling, given that the service life of a bus is 12 years and the fleets of the likes of Stagecoach and First spend most of their time out of doors. with few of their new depots having undercover storage.
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on September 06, 2023, 11:58:53 PMIs 4691 withdrawn? as its not on bus times anymore
Read the posts above
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on September 07, 2023, 01:06:14 AM6988 only in service though just a smidgen over 4 years. Pretty appalling, given that the service life of a bus is 12 years and the fleets of the likes of Stagecoach and First spend most of their time out of doors. with few of their new depots having undercover storage.
6988 is the one with heavy fire damage.
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on September 06, 2023, 11:58:53 PMIs 4691 withdrawn? as its not on bus times anymore
I've reported the person who removed it to Bustimes on the basis of it being 'possibly withdrawn' Hopefully they will stop that person editing.
E004; E017; E018 off lease with Zenobe
It was me i won't edit anything i thought it would be withdrawn my bad
are these the ones replaced with the z fleet? interesting those 3 buses are off lease already. Are they faulty or is there another reason
Quote from: mranon on September 07, 2023, 08:07:57 AMare these the ones replaced with the z fleet? interesting those 3 buses are off lease already. Are they faulty or is there another reason
Zenobe currently supply NXWM 159 vehicles. It's up to Zenobe which 159 as long as they meet the service requirement
Quote from: Tony on September 07, 2023, 08:10:55 AMZenobe currently supply NXWM 159 vehicles. It's up to Zenobe which 159 as long as they meet the service requirement
thanks for reply Tony, I wondered if there were problems with the 3 selected, or maybe some other reason such as taking 3 back that had done certain time in service/mileage for research and development purposes maybe
Quote from: Zainpow3012 on September 07, 2023, 08:07:02 AMIt was me i won't edit anything i thought it would be withdrawn my bad
Fair play for accepting responsibility and admitting it
@Zainpow3012 - there's folk on here that would've kept doing it.
Quote from: paulb1973 on September 07, 2023, 06:27:42 AM6988 is the one with heavy fire damage.
Which explains the early withdrawal, but if it is down to a manufacturing or engine fault, it is still not good. This is where forensic work by engineers earns its corn.
Quote from: Kevin_Brum12 on September 07, 2023, 09:05:36 AMWhich explains the early withdrawal, but if it is down to a manufacturing or engine fault, it is still not good. This is where forensic work by engineers earns its corn.
Full high quality video of some moron lighting a fire on the back seat
QuoteFull high quality video of some moron lighting a fire on the back seat
Odd question, but what is the camera resolution on the electrics, I'm guessing it's above 1080p at least?
Quote from: Tony on September 07, 2023, 09:08:27 AMFull high quality video of some moron lighting a fire on the back seat
Did they manage to arrest the person who set in on fire
I'm shocked that the 74 still sees platinum allocations. Far more routes at WB worthy of these buses.
Quote from: Owen on September 07, 2023, 12:26:53 PMI'm shocked that the 74 still sees platinum allocations. Far more routes at WB worthy of these buses.
No there isn't, 74 is one of the best paying routes
Quote from: Owen on September 07, 2023, 12:26:53 PMI'm shocked that the 74 still sees platinum allocations. Far more routes at WB worthy of these buses.
Like? Most of WB's services are through Estates, the 74 is a main trunk route like the 87 where it carries a lot of money and people frequent this. If you're seriously comparing the 47/48/49 etc to those routes then I think you need a reality check...
Quote from: Tony on September 07, 2023, 07:55:40 AME004; E017; E018 off lease with Zenobe
Any issues with them or have they reached a certain level of mileage
Any idea whether this will be temporary whilst away for major repair? Also will they be rebranded whilst the Zs are 6 branded?
QuoteE004; E017; E018 off lease with Zenobe
Does this mean they have been brought outright by NX or they never to be seen again?
Quote from: BK63 YWP on September 07, 2023, 06:40:53 PMDoes this mean they have been brought outright by NX or they never to be seen again?
Zenobe own 167 Electric buses and have a contract to supply 159 at any one time
Quote from: Tony on September 07, 2023, 09:08:27 AMFull high quality video of some moron lighting a fire on the back seat
Hope the next "bus" said moron gets will be one to a prison. Have WMP caught the scrote?
Quote from: Owen on September 07, 2023, 12:26:53 PMI'm shocked that the 74 still sees platinum allocations. Far more routes at WB worthy of these buses.
it should be a platinum route its main corridor, 74/82/87 main bread winners at WB nothing else makes money i am told, 12s 13s break even just. WB 4900s to my amazement overall still in decent shape.
Quote from: 2900 on September 08, 2023, 09:30:48 AMit should be a platinum route its main corridor, 74/82/87 main bread winners at WB nothing else makes money i am told, 12s 13s break even just. WB 4900s to my amazement overall still in decent shape.
Think a huge clampdown on non payers is needed. Some are now just simply strolling on paying nothing, showing nothing.
Quote from: B.C Driver on September 08, 2023, 11:26:16 AMThink a huge clampdown on non payers is needed. Some are now just simply strolling on paying nothing, showing nothing.
in mornings i have noticed huge number of parents not paying for there children now, the plus 1 daysaver option was a big seller from my own observations
Quote from: B.C Driver on September 08, 2023, 11:26:16 AMThink a huge clampdown on non payers is needed. Some are now just simply strolling on paying nothing, showing nothing.
90% of them walking on phone dead
Back on subject now please
Apparently E004 is withdrawn
Quote from: Stu on September 08, 2023, 06:17:27 PMAccording to who?
Tony posted that it's one of 3 that's off lease to Zenboẽ post number #
1750
Quote from: 18WilliamsLi on September 08, 2023, 06:11:58 PMApparently E004 is withdrawn
Why can't you let Tony and staff members confirm and post these, what's the obsession of you having to post what a vehicle does?
Quote from: Jack on September 08, 2023, 06:24:36 PMWhy can't you let Tony and staff members confirm and post these, what's the obsession of you having to post what a vehicle does?
I already have, don't know why he has to repeat it
QuoteApparently E004 is withdrawn
I swear it's only went to zenobés spare fleet
Quote from: BBS on September 08, 2023, 06:48:48 PMI swear it's only went to zenobés spare fleet
It has been withdrawn from service, for now, National Express do not have access to it for use
Quote from: Tony on September 08, 2023, 07:18:44 PMIt has been withdrawn from service, for now, National Express do not have access to it for use
That's why the x3 Zenobe's are here while the x3 Electrics are temporarily away.
Quote from: Jack on September 08, 2023, 07:29:09 PMThat's why the x3 Zenobe's are here while the x3 Electrics are temporarily away.
This Zenobe contract seems to work well if a bus is causing issues they are swap'ed out, shame the ENVIRO E400mmc didnt have a similar arrangement, mind you would said supplying company have enough spare buses to cover :grin:
Quote from: Tony on September 08, 2023, 06:39:19 PMI already have, don't know why he has to repeat it
Which Zenobe's are being used ?
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on September 18, 2023, 06:38:08 PMWhich Zenobe's are being used ?
They are on Bustimes to see which ones are out
4691 Wrightbus Gemini VOLVO B7TL : i can't see this hitting the road again more parts removed, definitely got quite a collection of dead Volvos here at WB
Quote from: 2900 on September 20, 2023, 01:58:02 PM4691 Wrightbus Gemini VOLVO B7TL : i can't see this hitting the road again more parts removed, definitely got quite a collection of dead Volvos here at WB
Any more of the Volvos that you spotted? By that mean fleet number
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on September 21, 2023, 07:10:43 AMAny more of the Volvos that you spotted? By that mean fleet number
4483 admin block, missing engine/transmission, rear top deck burnt out
4501 admin block,rear end damaged not badly though, must be something else probably engine/transmission issues
4517 admin block, well stripped now, i think engine gone
4516 rear car park still complete
4691 admin block, top of engine stripped now missing other bits etc
4514 & 4691 down to be repaired at the moment.
4516 garage do want to withdraw, but not officially removed from fleet yet
Quote from: Tony on September 21, 2023, 07:42:37 PM4514 & 4691 down to be repaired at the moment.
4516 garage do want to withdraw, but not officially removed from fleet yet
Any idea how far 4763 is off to return to wb
Quote from: Tony on September 21, 2023, 07:42:37 PM4514 & 4691 down to be repaired at the moment.
4516 garage do want to withdraw, but not officially removed from fleet yet
What is wrong with 4514 and 4516?
4333/4348 have been removed from BT by Tony Hunter so I can only presume these are now withdrawn I will await confirmation though.
Quote from: cris 99 on September 29, 2023, 08:38:45 AM4333/4348 have been removed from BT by Tony Hunter so I can only presume these are now withdrawn I will await confirmation though.
That only leaves 4334 now as the last double decker from 2002 and I don't think that will have long left.
Quote from: cris 99 on September 29, 2023, 08:38:45 AM4333/4348 have been removed from BT by Tony Hunter so I can only presume these are now withdrawn I will await confirmation though.
MoTs expired on both this month
Quote from: PB50 on September 29, 2023, 09:03:34 AMThat only leaves 4334 now as the last double decker from 2002 and I don't think that will have long left.
4393 at YW still going. 4334 suffered an electrical fault last night, not sure how bad that is
QuoteMoTs expired on both this month4393 at YW still going. 4334 suffered an electrical fault last night, not sure how bad that is
Seen 4393 on the 76 a few days ago, sounds absolutely class
Quote from: BBS on September 29, 2023, 10:05:07 AMSeen 4393 on the 76 a few days ago, sounds absolutely class
I was surprised to see it on the 6 the other night doing the 23:10 off Birmingham!
1947 involved in a heavy rtc on sandon rd bearwood saturday, 1945/46 could donate all the parts, but its question of all the bent body frame work, its all the back driver side from light to the back wheel, might be easier to remove the engine and place it in 1945/46 may be
YW 4590 - I actually think this bus has been withdrawn or on it's way to being officially withdrawn as it hasn't been tracked since August 10th, also I haven't sighted it in quite a while. It has been parked in the same spot at YW garage for a number of weeks now. I don't know if anyone else can shed any light on this?
Quote from: timuk1987 on October 03, 2023, 08:02:56 PMYW 4590 - I actually think this bus has been withdrawn or on it's way to being officially withdrawn as it hasn't been tracked since August 10th, also I haven't sighted it in quite a while. It has been parked in the same spot at YW garage for a number of weeks now. I don't know if anyone else can shed any light on this?
It is not withdrawn, and is due to get a replacement engine from a withdrawn trident.
I post the fleet changes (September are now on the main site) so no need for guessing
What's the likelihood of 1907/7023 retuning to service again. Apologies if it's in the wrong thread
1907
Quote from: cris 99 on October 03, 2023, 08:12:02 PMWhat's the likelihood of 1907/7023 retuning to service again. Apologies if it's in the wrong thread
1907 has not long had a replacement engine fitted
1907 is now out just not tracking I rode it on saturday last week
Quote from: cris 99 on October 03, 2023, 08:12:02 PMWhat's the likelihood of 1907/7023 retuning to service again. Apologies if it's in the wrong thread
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on October 04, 2023, 06:21:59 PM1907 is now out just not tracking I rode it on saturday last week
It is still in pieces in Perry Barr garage and it's MoT expired in August, so you certainly didn't ride on it
Weird I guess I misread the number
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on October 04, 2023, 06:43:16 PMWeird I guess I misread the number
Specsavers doing a good deal at the moment 😂
I think I need to use their services 🤣🤣 - thought I saw 4802 the other day but according to Bus Times and the naughty list (buses not tracking thread), it hasn't operated since February so I couldn't have - I'm wondering if this also is in pieces in PB, along with 1907? Also would be interesting to know what's going on with 4763 and 4770 - both under repair, one good bus out of two, or both long term VOR. These early E400s are actually getting quite old, even though Euro 6.
Quote from: don on October 04, 2023, 11:44:43 PMI think I need to use their services 🤣🤣 - thought I saw 4802 the other day but according to Bus Times and the naughty list (buses not tracking thread), it hasn't operated since February so I couldn't have - I'm wondering if this also is in pieces in PB, along with 1907? Also would be interesting to know what's going on with 4763 and 4770 - both under repair, one good bus out of two, or both long term VOR. These early E400s are actually getting quite old, even though Euro 6.
4770 is parked up at Miller Street, been told it's getting a new engine.
Quote from: Jack on October 04, 2023, 11:53:23 PM4770 is parked up at Miller Street, been told it's getting a new engine.
Also 4763 is. Not re-entered service since repaint months ago.
Quote from: don on October 05, 2023, 01:26:48 AMAlso 4763 is. Not re-entered service since repaint months ago.
4763 is awaiting a steering box
4770 is having it's engine rebuilt
Many of the 476# at WB from CV ex Walsall there engines lack power hopeless on gradients, while the ex YW 47## no where near as bad for some reason, are they higher mileage or etc
Quote from: 2900 on October 05, 2023, 09:24:20 AMMany of the 476# at WB from CV ex Walsall there engines lack power hopeless on gradients, while the ex YW 47## no where near as bad for some reason, are they higher mileage or etc
They was always good at Walsall, shame they went to Coventry and returned crap.
Quote from: Jack on October 05, 2023, 11:45:00 AMThey was always good at Walsall, shame they went to Coventry and returned crap.
back in the day AG had Leyland National 1829 (6829) an absolute Rocket Ship she left AG in return for 1813 (6813) & 1475 (4475) neither where ever any good, although to be fair 1475 (4475) stayed at AG for many many years, same with National 2, AG had 1023 & 1026 (7023 & 7026), 23 was left for YW for a while, when she came back, she was so unreliable, 26 had a seized engine, left for YW, when she came back she had no power and remained that way, strange goings on........
i did notice when i moved up here DY & OY vehicles were much better i will never understand why things vary so much, these days the 61xx at AG are rubbish now, i remember them being new, i was travelling to Stourbridge on the 9 they were impressive then
Quote from: Celestial Toymaker on October 05, 2023, 01:23:44 PMback in the day AG had Leyland National 1829 (6829) an absolute Rocket Ship she left AG in return for 1813 (6813) & 1475 (4475) neither where ever any good, although to be fair 1475 (4475) stayed at AG for many many years, same with National 2, AG had 1023 & 1026 (7023 & 7026), 23 was left for YW for a while, when she came back, she was so unreliable, 26 had a seized engine, left for YW, when she came back she had no power and remained that way, strange goings on........
i did notice when i moved up here DY & OY vehicles were much better i will never understand why things vary so much, these days the 61xx at AG are rubbish now, i remember them being new, i was travelling to Stourbridge on the 9 they were impressive then
1829 (6829) was a Dual Purpose Leyland National & therefore was most likely uprated:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/walsall1955/7902763376
Quote from: winston on October 05, 2023, 01:55:03 PM1829 (6829) was a Dual Purpose Leyland National & therefore was most likely uprated:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/walsall1955/7902763376
yes she was, so was 1830 (6830) which was down rated due to reliability issues, she retained DP livery, they were for the 999 which must have lost money as it was Solihull Station to NEC via M42 Limited Stop, they had 1819 (6819) aswell for a short time, but she left for LH, there was a 1 hour drop back on the 999 meant to be in the civic hall car park, then come back into service as 153....
4516 now formerly withdrawn
Quote from: Tony on October 10, 2023, 03:09:34 PM4516 now formerly withdrawn
What seemed to be the problem with it, apart from its age of course.
Somebody here know if they have seen 2204? Hasn't been in service since 9th aug
Quote from: Dababa015 on October 16, 2023, 09:20:59 AMSomebody here know if they have seen 2204? Hasn't been in service since 9th aug
See buses away from home garage thread
1947 has been written off by the insurance company after a heavy rear end RTC while stationary at a bus stop
Quote from: Tony on October 18, 2023, 06:21:57 PM1947 has been written off by the insurance company after a heavy rear end RTC while stationary at a bus stop
Thought it might be, got the hatrick now 1945/46/47 :smiley:
It appears that H1009 has been withdrawn due to engine failure
and has not turned a wheel in revenue since last August unless someone knows different
Quote from: windy miller on October 28, 2023, 01:40:30 AMIt appears that H1009 has been withdrawn due to engine failure
and has not turned a wheel in revenue since last August unless someone knows different
Hydrogen vehicles don't have engines. :rolleyes:
Like the electrics, they are driven by electric motors.
Quote from: windy miller on October 28, 2023, 01:40:30 AMIt appears that H1009 has been withdrawn due to engine failure
and has not turned a wheel in revenue since last August unless someone knows different
Surely they've not withdrawn a hydrogen bus.
Quote from: windy miller on October 28, 2023, 01:40:30 AMIt appears that H1009 has been withdrawn due to engine failure
and has not turned a wheel in revenue since last August unless someone knows different
Common sense should tell you a vehicle of that age would not be withdrawn even if it was for an engine failure, and 2 months isnt long off the road in the grand scheme of things.
Longest VoR at the moment is BC 6875 which has been off over a year, but on Bustimes just looks like a couple of months. The RTC damage has been repaired, but no-one, including a Voith engineer cannot work out why it won't select gears at the moment!
Is it safe to assume that 4450 has been withdrawn?
Quote from: Ronnoc on October 29, 2023, 05:33:51 PMIs it safe to assume that 4450 has been withdrawn?
Why would you think that? It was last used on Friday.
Quote from: Stu on October 29, 2023, 05:40:35 PMWhy would you think that? It was last used on Friday.
It's non-euro 6 and its MOT expired yesterday. Unless it's really needed in service, I would think that it won't be worth renewing its MOT. Happy to be proven otherwise, 4450 is a great bus!
Quote from: Ronnoc on October 29, 2023, 05:45:49 PMIt's non-euro 6 and its MOT expired yesterday. Unless it's really needed in service, I would think that it won't be worth renewing its MOT. Happy to be proven otherwise, 4450 is a great bus!
It'll be withdrawn when someone above me decides it definitely doesn't need to be used again
Quote from: Ronnoc on October 29, 2023, 05:45:49 PMIt's non-euro 6 and its MOT expired yesterday. Unless it's really needed in service, I would think that it won't be worth renewing its MOT. Happy to be proven otherwise, 4450 is a great bus!
Ah I see, well if the MOT has now expired then it is likely to be a candidate for withdrawal, yes.
However before anyone starts rushing to update BusTimes, lets wait for Tony to confirm this.
Depending on availability of vehicles, it might be worth renewing the MOT even if its just to keep it going for another couple of months.
Quote from: Stu on October 29, 2023, 05:55:08 PMAh I see, well if the MOT has now expired then it is likely to be a candidate for withdrawal, yes.
However before anyone starts rushing to update BusTimes, lets wait for Tony to confirm this.
Depending on availability of vehicles, it might be worth renewing the MOT even if its just to keep it going for another couple of months.
Looks like it's been withdrawn as it's no longer on bustimes.
Quote from: PB50 on October 30, 2023, 05:19:22 PMLooks like it's been withdrawn as it's no longer on bustimes.
Yes, put in reserve today.
The quote for repairs to 7508 doesn't look too promising either
as per bustimes PB7508 is now going to be turned into a engineering training vehicle
Quote from: B.C Driver on October 29, 2023, 11:20:22 AMCommon sense should tell you a vehicle of that age would not be withdrawn even if it was for an engine failure, and 2 months isnt long off the road in the grand scheme of things.
The post was meant to be a ruse in an effort to establish why the vehicle had not been tracked in service since early August... clearly you were NOT privy to the Walsall Mafiosi or the local intelligentsia
if you need information from the trevi you need to piss in it...or maybe only in Italy...........
Quote from: windy miller on November 04, 2023, 02:30:27 AMI,m well aware of that perhaps you can tell us all where it is?
At Walsall garage.
Do you know when the Enviros will be withdrawn? It's said it will at the end of this year if possible.
Quote from: busboy31 on November 08, 2023, 10:31:24 PMDo you know when the Enviros will be withdrawn? It's said it will at the end of this year if possible.
That's a silly question.
To think they are still repainting E400's and just to withdraw them would be very silly, considering NX need as many Deckers as possible!
QuoteDo you know when the Enviros will be withdrawn? It's said it will at the end of this year if possible.
Tridents and Geminis BEFORE E400s even start. Don't worry 4817 will be around for a few years to come
Quote from: BK63 YWP on November 09, 2023, 11:43:07 AMTridents and Geminis BEFORE E400s even start. Don't worry 4817 will be around for a few years to come
Will it ??
QuoteWill it ??
Don't upset him 😂
This is the third enthusiast Ive found who loves 4817 for some reason
Withdrawn Scania 1947 running gear removed and fitted to 1939, and the remainder of it parked outside in front of remains of 6988, quite the collection of scrap buses at WB
Quote from: 2900 on November 13, 2023, 05:24:57 PMWithdrawn Scania 1947 running gear removed and fitted to 1939, and the remainder of it parked outside in front of remains of 6988, quite the collection of scrap buses at WB
Has 6988 been stripped for components?
Quote from: spacecowboy150 on November 11, 2023, 08:50:06 AMThis is the third enthusiast Ive found who loves 4817 for some reason
I love it too - in fact the whole 2009 E400 batch (4799-815; 4817-29), which I'll forever remember in their washed out pink and white livery as inflicted by Pensnett garage!! I seem to recall the batch may have been leased originally, and there was concern over their mileage accumulation on the 9 and 99 (now X10). So if they were expected to operate for 15 yrs, that would expire next year.
The current approx state of play, as far as I can tell, based on Bustimes for groups of vehicles subject to withdrawal is:-
Omnilink - 146
Trident - 56 (8 non Euro 6)
Gemini - 65 (33 non Euro 6)
If there are 300 new buses then more than just those listed above may be withdrawn. Plus if all the hydrogens are in service that would be an extra 15 vehicles.
So in a roundabout way, is it possible the ex Pensnett pale pink and white 30 (E400s) might be replaced over the next year or two?
4799-4829 are still owned, and leased from Dawson Group.
Quote from: don on November 13, 2023, 06:32:41 PMThe current approx state of play, as far as I can tell, based on Bustimes for groups of vehicles subject to withdrawal is:-
Omnilink - 146
Trident - 56 (8 non Euro 6)
Gemini - 65 (29 non Euro 6)
If there are 300 new buses then more than just those listed above may be withdrawn. Plus if all the hydrogens are in service that would be an extra 15 vehicles.
So in a roundabout way, is it possible the ex Pensnett pale pink and white 30 (E400s) might be replaced over the next year or two?
The priority will be to withdraw any non Euro6 vehicles which have to be gone by the end of January 2024, then inroads will be made into the OmniLinks in the fleet.
Tony's fleet list has one batch of 30 EVs which I believe are built and awaiting delivery, then a further batch of 10 which I'm not sure about, but I would guess are also built, which would mean a total of 40 new buses which could be delivered and in service by the end of January, which would see the end of non-Euro6 vehicles if your figures are correct.
The pace of delivery of the remaining 240 EVs will depend on getting chargers and infrastructure installed at garages that are due to receive EVs.
The early E400s might have at least a couple of years service left in them I would think.
Quote from: Stu on November 13, 2023, 08:02:26 PMThe priority will be to withdraw any non Euro6 vehicles which have to be gone by the end of January 2024, then inroads will be made into the OmniLinks in the fleet.
Tony's fleet list has one batch of 30 EVs which I believe are built and awaiting delivery, then a further batch of 10 which I'm not sure about, but I would guess are also built, which would mean a total of 40 new buses which could be delivered and in service by the end of January, which would see the end of non-Euro6 vehicles if your figures are correct.
The pace of delivery of the remaining 240 EVs will depend on getting chargers and infrastructure installed at garages that are due to receive EVs.
The early E400s might have at least a couple of years service left in them I would think.
Well, are they saying that Perry Barr will have the new electrics, possibly leading to the early E400s withdrawal by the end of the year?
Quote from: busboy31 on November 13, 2023, 08:26:01 PMWell, are they saying that Perry Barr will have the new electrics, possibly leading to the early E400s withdrawal by the end of the year?
It's the middle of November now, no new buses will enter service this year, and apart from any major incidents there will be no withdrawals this year.
Nobody is saying the early E400S are going to be withdrawn at all. When Perry Barr receive there electrics next year the E400s will get shipped out or maybe even platinums to other depots to replace Geminis and Tridents and scanias after all they are older. Or better still just wait and see
Quote from: Tony on November 13, 2023, 06:47:41 PM4799-4829 (tel:4799-4829) are still owned, and leased from Dawson Group.
What? You mean they're not owned by NX?....Wow I genuinely didn't know that, in fact I didn't think anything that old could still be leased
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 13, 2023, 09:16:51 PMWhat? You mean they're not owned by NX?....Wow I genuinely didn't know that, in fact I didn't think anything that old could still be leased
You can lease anything, as long as you are willing to pay the going rate.
Yes I mean they are not owned by NX, same as the new electrics and some Scanias
Quote from: Tony on November 13, 2023, 06:47:41 PM4799-4829 (tel:4799-4829) are still owned, and leased from Dawson Group.
Thanks for clarification,
@Tony.
Are the Scanias the 10 Reg (1909-1953 and 70xx) batches?
@Tony has already confirmed the next batch of electrics comprises 80 vehicles,
@Stu
Quote from: Tony on November 13, 2023, 09:19:30 PMYou can lease anything, as long as you are willing to pay the going rate.
Yes I mean they are not owned by NX, same as the new electrics and some Scanias
thanks
@Tony that really has surprised me I wasn't aware that they would still be leased especially with there age
Quote from: busboy31 on November 13, 2023, 08:26:01 PMWell, are they saying that Perry Barr will have the new electrics, possibly leading to the early E400s withdrawal by the end of the year?
Or... they will move the e400s to other depots to displace alx400s,geminis and omnilinks and not just withdraw them on the spot
Quote from: Tony on November 13, 2023, 08:30:53 PMIt's the middle of November now, no new buses will enter service this year, and apart from any major incidents there will be no withdrawals this year.
So 4334 won't get withdrawn then in December?
Quote from: PB50 on November 14, 2023, 07:32:32 AMSo 4334 won't get withdrawn then in December?
The Walsall 4 are slightly different as they are purely covering for the Hydrogen fuelling problem
Quote from: Tony on November 13, 2023, 08:30:53 PMIt's the middle of November now, no new buses will enter service this year, and apart from any major incidents there will be no withdrawals this year.
What about 4393 I thought the MOT ran out the 6th December are u planning on giving it another MOT ?
Quote from: Tony on November 14, 2023, 07:54:01 AMThe Walsall 4 are slightly different as they are purely covering for the Hydrogen fuelling problem
4570 last day today
Quote from: don on November 13, 2023, 06:32:41 PMHas 6988 been stripped for components?
I love it too - in fact the whole 2009 E400 batch (4799-815; 4817-29), which I'll forever remember in their washed out pink and white livery as inflicted by Pensnett garage!! I seem to recall the batch may have been leased originally, and there was concern over their mileage accumulation on the 9 and 99 (now X10). So if they were expected to operate for 15 yrs, that would expire next year.
The current approx state of play, as far as I can tell, based on Bustimes for groups of vehicles subject to withdrawal is:-
Omnilink - 146
Trident - 56 (8 non Euro 6)
Gemini - 65 (33 non Euro 6)
If there are 300 new buses then more than just those listed above may be withdrawn. Plus if all the hydrogens are in service that would be an extra 15 vehicles.
So in a roundabout way, is it possible the ex Pensnett pale pink and white 30 (E400s) might be replaced over the next year or two?
yes 6988 is well stripped now, engine gearbox is in 6955 in think, various panels lights removed etc lower seats , just axles and remainder of body left now
looking at the frontal damage to 1940 even though 1945 1946 could donate all the parts to repair it, i think the running will be removed in short order my guess.
The driver of 1940 RTC incident hagley road released from hospital and resting at home, small miracle no other persons injured or vehicles involved.
Unfortunately 4334 has developed a fault that is not worth repairing for the two remaining weeks of its MoT
One more 2002 bus remaining in 4393. Very very impressive to have run continuously for 21 years, top notch buses, NX have gotten their moneys worth.
And a good maintenance regime
Quote from: Ronnoc on November 16, 2023, 07:13:21 PMOne more 2002 bus remaining in 4393. Very very impressive to have run continuously for 21 years, top notch buses, NX have gotten their moneys worth.
4393 is currently on the list to be presented for one more MoT. That may change when it is examined
Quote from: Ronnoc on November 16, 2023, 07:13:21 PMOne more 2002 bus remaining in 4393. Very very impressive to have run continuously for 21 years, top notch buses, NX have gotten their moneys worth.
And of course the very first 4125 is still around at present.
@Tony – I'm just wondering if you could clarify I've read a post on Facebook last week from what I assume is a Walsall driver that suggests 4125 is set to be withdrawn in the next few months is this correct? I do hope this is not the case it would be very sad to see it go, I travelled on it yesterday on the 10 from Brownhills and I must admit it was going quite well and was sounding lovely there is plenty of life left in her yet! Even if she is 22 next year
Quote from: hlliwmai on November 16, 2023, 09:21:07 PM@Tony – I'm just wondering if you could clarify I've read a post on Facebook last week from what I assume is a Walsall driver that suggests 4125 is set to be withdrawn in the next few months is this correct? I do hope this is not the case it would be very sad to see it go, I travelled on it yesterday on the 10 from Brownhills and I must admit it was going quite well and was sounding lovely there is plenty of life left in her yet! Even if she is 22 next year
Surely it would just go full time in the heritage fleet?
Quote@Tony – I'm just wondering if you could clarify I've read a post on Facebook last week from what I assume is a Walsall driver that suggests 4125 is set to be withdrawn in the next few months is this correct? I do hope this is not the case it would be very sad to see it go, I travelled on it yesterday on the 10 from Brownhills and I must admit it was going quite well and was sounding lovely there is plenty of life left in her yet! Even if she is 22 next year
She'll be 23 next year new April 2001
What's happened to 2168? Not tracked in ages all of a sudden.
Quote from: Dababa015 on November 20, 2023, 03:34:47 PMWhat's happened to 2168? Not tracked in ages all of a sudden.
It's not withdrawn so I don't understand why you've put that here.
I know that but I don't know where to say it
QuoteI know that but I don't know where to say it
The buses not tracking on bus times topic would be the best option
Okay I'll post it on there
Any updates on the current state of 4514? Is it going to be withdrawn or do WB want to keep it?
or maybe H1009 out of service since early august???
Quote from: windy miller on November 26, 2023, 02:56:12 AMor maybe H1009 out of service since early august???
Unless it's been fire damaged. Why would NX withdraw a vehicle that is barely 2yrs old?
You said exactly the same about 1009 a month ago and you were corrected and told it wasn't withdrawn and why. So why post the same again? 4845 has been VOR since September 2022 and that's coming back now so they are getter there will long time absences
H1009 has NOT been withdrawn, but is off the road long-term for some reason not yet stated.
Can we please keep this topic for discussion of vehicles that are actually known to be withdrawn?
4570 has been rescued from the scrap line at Walsall and taken to Yardley Wood who are looking to see if they can MoT it and reinstate it to replace Scania 1914 which has a blown engine.
Trident for a Scania?
sounds like a good deal
4570 has just passed a new MoT, so may be out in service from YW this afternoon
4566 & 4567 both have expired MoTs now, but it looks like Walsall are going to extend the life of 4566 and MoT it later this week.
Quote from: Tony on January 02, 2024, 11:25:06 AM4566 & 4567 both have expired MoTs now, but it looks like Walsall are going to extend the life of 4566 and MoT it later this week.
4125 currently out of service. Is that due an MOT?
Quote from: PB50 on January 02, 2024, 05:51:30 PM4125 currently out of service. Is that due an MOT?
No, just waiting for an exhaust clean.
Quote from: Tony on January 02, 2024, 11:25:06 AM4566 & 4567 both have expired MoTs now, but it looks like Walsall are going to extend the life of 4566 and MoT it later this week.
Will they stay at Walsall or be transferred?
Only one is staying and is already back in service at Walsall is 4566. 4567 won't be back I don't think
I saw 4566 on the 37 last night it would have done the 23:05 37 to Darlaston. I saw it heading to Walsall in Darlaston
I see the BusTimes 'ghouls' have been racing to 'be the first' again.
Screenshot 2024-01-08 at 18-51-29 Recent changes – bustimes.org.png
Why can't people wait until it has been 'officially confirmed'?
Here's the photo that was linked to there:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1161035993772732487/1193669409953292349/IMG_1747.png?ex=65ad8e44&is=659b1944&hm=4)
It is not yet withdrawn.
The bus is repairable, but at more than book value, so unlikely to be repaired, but until a decision is made it is not withdrawn despite those rather threatening comments from the 'I'm right so don't change it' person who is not actually right!
Being Euro 6 when an application is in to extend the use of not euro 6 may sway the decision yet.
I'm just amazed that anyone can edit anything on site.
It's a bit like Wikipedia isn't it?
Anyone can edit that within reason, apart from a few 'protected' subjects!
The Damage doesn't look to bad, I can make out the stop bell and grab rail on the back seat. Most of the body seems Ok. Just smoke damage, Electrics and Rear seats need to be repaired probably would require all the upstairs seats to be done as they would all be damaged.
1947 back on WB death row missing its entire front end,
4514 parked next to it looking not to good every rear access panel opened and left
correction its 4504 not 4514 on death row, there appears to be another Gemni as well did'nt get the number in rush this morning
Quote from: 2900 on January 09, 2024, 06:12:59 PM1947 back on WB death row missing its entire front end,
4514 parked next to it looking not to good every rear access panel opened and left
4504 should be back at WB for component recovery as well
4383 & 4390 have both left Yardley Wood for scrap in the last two days
Quote from: Tony on January 08, 2024, 07:14:59 PMIt is not yet withdrawn.
The bus is repairable, but at more than book value, so unlikely to be repaired, but until a decision is made it is not withdrawn despite those rather threatening comments from the 'I'm right so don't change it' person who is not actually right!
Being Euro 6 when an application is in to extend the use of not euro 6 may sway the decision yet.
Reminds me of the saying that
@karl724223 uses frequently ALF's (I've still no clue what that means 😂) but whatever it means it pretty much sums up those idiots on bustimes...
Quote from: hlliwmai on January 09, 2024, 07:24:58 PMReminds me of the saying that @karl724223 uses frequently ALF's (I've still no clue what that means 😂) but whatever it means it pretty much sums up those idiots on bustimes...
Careful, usage of that term is banned now...
Quote from: mesub on January 09, 2024, 07:26:18 PMCareful, usage of that term is banned now...
Ohh, I wasn't aware :lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed:
Quote4383 & 4390 have both left Yardley Wood for scrap in the last two days
Has 4502 been scrapped yet?
4614 confirmed withdrawn by tony on bustimes.
4630 withdrawn
Well, they can take the engines out presumbly?
Quote from: Jack on January 11, 2024, 07:55:03 AMReally it's Euro 6?
Nah I said it for no reason...
yes it is withdrawn and is having slaves fitted tomorrow before the ticket machine and licenses will also get removed
Quote from: BBS on January 09, 2024, 11:22:12 PMHas 4502 been scrapped yet?
No it's still at Volvo at pensnett, but has been brought by Greenbus as spares. Doubt it will be moved anytime soon though as a NX coach that got smashed up on the motorway is parked directly infront of it
Quote from: Jack on January 11, 2024, 07:55:03 AMReally it's Euro 6?
Yes, unfortunately it needs an expensive part that we are unable to get a delivery date for, and being safety critical will not use a second hand part of a scrap bus
With 4634 withdrawn am I right in thinking 4632 is now the youngest Trident Alexander 400 in the fleet. And now Wolverhampton are left with 4627/28 and 4631/32 out of the Ex BC Tridents
Quote from: Tony on January 11, 2024, 08:21:05 AMYes, unfortunately it needs an expensive part that we are unable to get a delivery date for, and being safety critical will not use a second hand part of a scrap bus
interesting, never knew certain items had to be brand new replacements, i always assumed if parts were inspected for quality and they passed on it goes, i use to love going to car breakers and come away with brand new parts some times.
Tony can you list which parts have to be brand new out of interest
Quote from: 2900 on January 11, 2024, 10:40:06 AMinteresting, never knew certain items had to be brand new replacements, i always assumed if parts were inspected for quality and they passed on it goes, i use to love going to car breakers and come away with brand new parts some times.
Tony can you list which parts have to be brand new out of interest
Anything to do with Brakes, steering, or electrical wiring are generally not replaced by second hand items. It is just NX policy not a legal requirement
4578 was taken away for scrap from Walsall today.
Tomorrow morning a Gemini will go from AG
Quote from: Tony on January 15, 2024, 07:02:43 PM4578 was taken away for scrap from Walsall today.
Tomorrow morning a Gemini will go from AG
Any ideas when 6988 will be taken from West Brom to scrap please, would like to get a vid of it leaving.
Quote from: Stu on November 13, 2023, 08:02:26 PMThe priority will be to withdraw any non Euro6 vehicles which have to be gone by the end of January 2024, then inroads will be made into the OmniLinks in the fleet.
Tony's fleet list has one batch of 30 EVs which I believe are built and awaiting delivery, then a further batch of 10 which I'm not sure about, but I would guess are also built, which would mean a total of 40 new buses which could be delivered and in service by the end of January, which would see the end of non-Euro6 vehicles if your figures are correct.
The pace of delivery of the remaining 240 EVs will depend on getting chargers and infrastructure installed at garages that are due to receive EVs.
The early E400s might have at least a couple of years service left in them I would think.
Does this mean WB's 45** will be gone in the next few weeks?
Quote from: West_Brom/WalsallBusGeek on January 15, 2024, 09:43:38 PMDoes this mean WB's 45** will be gone in the next few weeks?
Considering they've working on 4514 I assume they'll be here for slightly more than a few weeks...
Quote from: BlackCountryBusSpotter on January 11, 2024, 10:25:34 AMWith 4634 withdrawn am I right in thinking 4632 is now the youngest Trident Alexander 400 in the fleet. And now Wolverhampton are left with 4627/28 and 4631/32 out of the Ex BC Tridents
Believe you're right.
4598 still alive
Quote from: Abluhwleh on January 16, 2024, 06:36:55 PM4598 still alive
This has never been confirmed to be Withdrawn it moved to Wolverhampton, it ay been withdrawn as it's Euro 6
Quote from: Abluhwleh on January 16, 2024, 06:36:55 PM4598 still alive
I don't remember anyone saying it was withdrawn, and if they did it was just someone doing the usual silly guessing
Quote from: Tony on January 16, 2024, 06:47:36 PMI don't remember anyone saying it was withdrawn, and if they did it was just someone doing the usual silly guessing
Was in response to a post above "
With 4634 withdrawn am I right in thinking 4632 is now the youngest Trident Alexander 400 in the fleet."
Apologies, didn't make this clear.
Quote from: Abluhwleh on January 16, 2024, 06:50:09 PMWas in response to a post above " With 4634 withdrawn am I right in thinking 4632 is now the youngest Trident Alexander 400 in the fleet."
Apologies, didn't make this clear.
4598 isn't younger than 4632 though is it I named the 46xx left at WN not the 45×× as they were at Wolverhampton new.
Quote from: Wba_lad on January 15, 2024, 09:14:08 PMAny ideas when 6988 will be taken from West Brom to scrap please, would like to get a vid of it leaving.
i,m sure Tony mentioned it will go to Powertrain to be used as a training vehicle at some point, not 100% on this
Quote from: 2900 on January 17, 2024, 10:08:50 AMi,m sure Tony mentioned it will go to Powertrain to be used as a training vehicle at some point, not 100% on this
I think thats 7508 not 100 percent sure though
Quote from: Tony on January 16, 2024, 06:47:36 PMI don't remember anyone saying it was withdrawn, and if they did it was just someone doing the usual silly guessing
obviously im aware she is now finally withdrawn, could you confirm the end has actually come for 4573 (i have personal reasons why i cant wait to see her die, i never like to see any bus executed but, 4573 is an exception)
dunno if you can shed any light on something, last night at Morrisons (Hagley Rd) a 126 shot by towards Quinton, in grey livery with NO FLEET NUMBERS, followed minuted later by one in grey with fleet numbers above the door (old school) i regret i have no other info as i was too far away in the twilight and forgot my glasses....
When are E004,17,18 making a comeback
Quote from: JosephR on January 20, 2024, 11:24:51 PMWhen are E004,17,18 making a comeback
They are currently not part of the fleet
Two buses gone for scrap today
4386 to MC tractors & 4638 to PVS
Quote from: Tony on January 21, 2024, 08:56:47 AMThey are currently not part of the fleet
Is there no reason why E017 is or was parked in Coventry depot last week then?
Quote from: WA4317 on January 22, 2024, 06:56:44 PMIs there no reason why E017 is or was parked in Coventry depot last week then?
It's up to Zenobe where they park them (and pay for the privilege)
Quote from: Tony on January 22, 2024, 07:12:57 PMIt's up to Zenobe where they park them (and pay for the privilege)
Are the electric that was 6 branded that zenobe have have they been debranded?
Also with the zenobe fleet numbered vehicles how come they are Nx spec inside, if they went to any other company they are Nx seats and spec.
Quote from: Wba_lad on January 22, 2024, 10:05:38 PMAre the electric that was 6 branded that zenobe have have they been debranded?
Also with the zenobe fleet numbered vehicles how come they are Nx spec inside, if they went to any other company they are Nx seats and spec.
Because they were purchased as spare vehicles for the Electric Transportation as a Service (ETaaS) contract between Zenobe and NX.
Is today the last day for non euro 6 vehicles?
QuoteIs today the last day for non euro 6 vehicles?
Hasn't the date been extended
4567 passed an MoT yesterday, so was formerly reinstated to YW. It isn't tracking on Bustimes yet, but was on the 49 yesterday afternoon.
Not out at the moment though
Does anyone know where 4453 is now please.
Quote from: Tony on January 21, 2024, 08:56:47 AMThey are currently not part of the fleet
what happened to them?
Quote from: jasmine on January 29, 2024, 12:07:36 PMwhat happened to them?
They have been swapped with Z4001/6/7
Pensnett scrap yard
Quote from: Wba_lad on January 29, 2024, 09:44:18 AMDoes anyone know where 4453 is now please.
Quote from: WA4317 on January 29, 2024, 03:12:39 PMPensnett scrap yard
Ah, thankyou, I thought that's where it was.
What's the vehicle that has been withdrawn as I noticed one less on bustimes earlier on.
Quote from: PB50 on February 01, 2024, 03:21:15 PMWhat's the vehicle that has been withdrawn as I noticed one less on bustimes earlier on.
7023
What happened to 7023?
Quote from: EK40 on February 01, 2024, 03:39:19 PM7023
It's listed as 7033 Withdrawn in January 2024 Fleet Changes. Which is correct.
Quote from: Lynx1103 on February 02, 2024, 09:45:35 AMIt's listed as 7033 Withdrawn in January 2024 Fleet Changes. Which is correct
7023 is correct
Any idea when 4125 will reappear?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 02, 2024, 06:15:28 PMAny idea when 4125 will reappear?
It's not withdrawn why post that here?
It was out on the 51 last week.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 02, 2024, 06:15:28 PMAny idea when 4125 will reappear?
As soon as the replacement looms for the Euro 6 exhaust are fitted
(Correct
@Jack should have been in the Walsall garage thread)
withdrawn 4504 Gemini now stripped of engine/gearbox various parts from cab/ window etc
WB death row looking busy again
7033 has appeared at MS today, is this to follow 7023 and get withdrawn aswell?
I've seen a photo that 4453 has received national express West Midlands logogs on people are saying it may be re entering service for the West Midlands anyone able to confirm this please.
Quote from: Wba_lad on February 14, 2024, 07:16:02 PMI've seen a photo that 4453 has received national express West Midlands logogs on people are saying it may be re entering service for the West Midlands anyone able to confirm this please.
Much that I would love to put it into Walsall to help the shortage of Double Decks, no it isn't. I would imagine the front is one of another scrap bus
Quote from: Tony on February 14, 2024, 07:19:51 PMMuch that I would love to put it into Walsall to help the shortage of Double Decks, no it isn't. I would imagine the front is one of another scrap bus
Ah okay thank you tony.
Is there any plans with this bus maybe going to any museum or someone privately preserved or is this not yet known.
1936 now withdrawn removed on bustimes by Mr Hunter himself.
Could anyone tell me what's happened to 4492?
Quote from: Dababa015 on February 19, 2024, 06:51:27 AMCould anyone tell me what's happened to 4492?
See vehicles away from home garage
Thanks
@Tony there's a large number of Omnilinks at PN in varying states of disrepair - are there any plans for disposals of these as most are Tridents and there's very little space on scrap row?
Quote from: Wumpty on February 19, 2024, 08:02:55 PM@Tony there's a large number of Omnilinks at PN in varying states of disrepair - are there any plans for disposals of these as most are Tridents and there's very little space on scrap row?
Not yet, the rest of the doubles will be going in the next few weeks though
@Tony 4453 has a "SOLD - Do Not Touch" sign in the windscreen.
Is this a private sale (not expecting any further details or sensitive information)?
Quote from: Wumpty on March 04, 2024, 04:08:29 PM@Tony 4453 has a "SOLD - Do Not Touch" sign in the windscreen.
Is this a private sale (not expecting any further details or sensitive information)?
There's a large preservation organisation have first bids on it, once they have inspected it if it is not suitable there are two indivduals waiting behind
Quote from: Tony on March 04, 2024, 05:44:09 PMThere's a large preservation organisation have first bids on it, once they have inspected it if it is not suitable there are two indivduals waiting behind
Excellent news, considering the time, significance and investment in the heritage fleet. Let's hope this goes to a deserving home.
I know it's not strictly a withdrawn vehicle as it had already gone to The Bus Works but I saw former 4534 in Peterborough on Monday morning on a school service, the blind suggested it was with Nationwide Coaches of Peterborough, saw quite a few of their coaches coming off schools on Monday morning also.
Quote from: Cheese on March 07, 2024, 07:54:50 PMI know it's not strictly a withdrawn vehicle as it had already gone to The Bus Works but I saw former 4534 in Peterborough on Monday morning on a school service, the blind suggested it was with Nationwide Coaches of Peterborough, saw quite a few of their coaches coming off schools on Monday morning also.
Birmingham Busworks have four withdrawn Tridents on slave tyres advertised for sale (4318/4576/4445/4538) at either £6000 + VAT or £7500 + VAT with 12 months MOT included.
I seen 4502 being delivered today to Birmingham bus works,
4648 has been withdrawn after suffering an engine failure
1912 has been withdrawn due to a seized engine
What happened to 1907 why was it removed from list?
Quote from: Ingleboro261F on April 22, 2024, 10:50:31 AMWhat happened to 1907 why was it removed from list?
It say last in service January 2023 so not been in service for a year
Quote from: a4 funcool 2022 on April 27, 2024, 12:09:01 PMIt say last in service January 2023 so not been in service for a year
It has been confirmed on a Facebook group it's now withdrawn and is on pensnett scrap yard.
Only 3 deckers remain at PN withdrawn yard:
9951(?),
4453 (provisionally sold according to
@Tony recent posts and notice in the windscreen)
4450 (?)
All other vehicles are Scanias in various states of repair.
Quote from: Wumpty on May 04, 2024, 06:40:37 AMOnly 3 deckers remain at PN withdrawn yard:
9951(?),
4453 (provisionally sold according to @Tony recent posts and notice in the windscreen)
4450 (?)
All other vehicles are Scanias in various states of repair.
4450 has been sold and is just waiting collection
Quote from: Tony on May 04, 2024, 09:53:01 AM4450 has been sold and is just waiting collection
Looks like 9951 will outlive all of the Tridents and Geminis - who'd have thought it?!
Quote from: Wumpty on May 04, 2024, 10:00:02 AMLooks like 9951 will outlive all of the Tridents and Geminis - who'd have thought it?!
Of course it does, it's a mk2 metrobus. Best buses ever made
Quote from: Plebster on May 04, 2024, 10:24:18 AMOf course it does, it's a mk2 metrobus. Best buses ever made
Scientists have said that only 2 things would survive a nuclear apocalypse - cockroaches and a Mk 2 Metrobus!
QuoteScientists have said that only 2 things would survive a nuclear apocalypse - cockroaches and a Mk 2 Metrobus!
Can't forget those MK2 B7RLEs