I'll start it off with this Stagecoach Manchester Enviro 400 being thrashed, it sounds incredible, as do all Voith Tridents:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8ei9X_EiEi4
What a beast :P
For anyone that loves proper Trident thrashes: http://youtu.be/p2yZg3IRtxk?t=3m24s
I had one almost as good as that on 4542 on the 126 this morning, even in Dudley town centre...
And for a proper Voith bus and the sound of my childhood... http://youtu.be/NAVNNILjLtc?t=1m50s
Leyland Lynx G324NUM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PjjPufgF0I&list=HL1381103447
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcklszNJcEc&list=HL1381103447
Leyland Lynx F613RTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4pUtdDolQo
Volvo Alisa 4738
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc3Vn7lU-ms&list=PL52z_c-pzZvDAzcTKsAZVlDbfqUvUYJGa
Dennis Lance M246MRW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv8CRXIe_uU&list=PL52z_c-pzZvDAzcTKsAZVlDbfqUvUYJGa
PE Enviro's stuck in snow @ Colley Gate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9ZsVNvgrgE&list=FLsDyLkOVF6YXuzp6fFYafNw
Quote from: Winston on October 07, 2013, 09:08:41 AM
Leyland Lynx G324NUM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PjjPufgF0I&list=HL1381103447
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcklszNJcEc&list=HL1381103447
Leyland Lynx F613RTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4pUtdDolQo
Volvo Alisa 4738
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc3Vn7lU-ms&list=PL52z_c-pzZvDAzcTKsAZVlDbfqUvUYJGa
Dennis Lance M246MRW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv8CRXIe_uU&list=PL52z_c-pzZvDAzcTKsAZVlDbfqUvUYJGa
PE Enviro's stuck in snow @ Colley Gate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9ZsVNvgrgE&list=FLsDyLkOVF6YXuzp6fFYafNw
The enviros are the worst bus I have ever driven in the snow to much power to the wheels.
Quote from: richie on October 07, 2013, 10:54:02 AM
Quote from: Winston on October 07, 2013, 09:08:41 AM
Leyland Lynx G324NUM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PjjPufgF0I&list=HL1381103447
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcklszNJcEc&list=HL1381103447
Leyland Lynx F613RTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4pUtdDolQo
Volvo Alisa 4738
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc3Vn7lU-ms&list=PL52z_c-pzZvDAzcTKsAZVlDbfqUvUYJGa
Dennis Lance M246MRW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv8CRXIe_uU&list=PL52z_c-pzZvDAzcTKsAZVlDbfqUvUYJGa
PE Enviro's stuck in snow @ Colley Gate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9ZsVNvgrgE&list=FLsDyLkOVF6YXuzp6fFYafNw
The enviros are the worst bus I have ever driven in the snow to much power to the wheels.
Can you not compensate for that by putting your foot on he gas a bit lighter than with other types?
Quote from: Winston on October 07, 2013, 11:06:34 AM
Quote from: richie on October 07, 2013, 10:54:02 AM
Quote from: Winston on October 07, 2013, 09:08:41 AM
Leyland Lynx G324NUM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PjjPufgF0I&list=HL1381103447
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcklszNJcEc&list=HL1381103447
Leyland Lynx F613RTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4pUtdDolQo
Volvo Alisa 4738
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc3Vn7lU-ms&list=PL52z_c-pzZvDAzcTKsAZVlDbfqUvUYJGa
Dennis Lance M246MRW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv8CRXIe_uU&list=PL52z_c-pzZvDAzcTKsAZVlDbfqUvUYJGa
PE Enviro's stuck in snow @ Colley Gate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9ZsVNvgrgE&list=FLsDyLkOVF6YXuzp6fFYafNw
The enviros are the worst bus I have ever driven in the snow to much power to the wheels.
Can you not compensate for that by putting your foot on he gas a bit lighter than with other types?
It seems it's all or nothing with them, every other type of bus is pretty good they crawl away except the Mercs which need full power and then the gears move up to second and they pull away.
Quote from: richie on October 07, 2013, 11:18:15 AM
Quote from: Winston on October 07, 2013, 11:06:34 AM
Quote from: richie on October 07, 2013, 10:54:02 AM
Quote from: Winston on October 07, 2013, 09:08:41 AM
Leyland Lynx G324NUM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PjjPufgF0I&list=HL1381103447
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcklszNJcEc&list=HL1381103447
Leyland Lynx F613RTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4pUtdDolQo
Volvo Alisa 4738
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc3Vn7lU-ms&list=PL52z_c-pzZvDAzcTKsAZVlDbfqUvUYJGa
Dennis Lance M246MRW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv8CRXIe_uU&list=PL52z_c-pzZvDAzcTKsAZVlDbfqUvUYJGa
PE Enviro's stuck in snow @ Colley Gate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9ZsVNvgrgE&list=FLsDyLkOVF6YXuzp6fFYafNw
The enviros are the worst bus I have ever driven in the snow to much power to the wheels.
Can you not compensate for that by putting your foot on he gas a bit lighter than with other types?
It seems it's all or nothing with them, every other type of bus is pretty good they crawl away except the Mercs which need full power and then the gears move up to second and they pull away.
I assume you can't manually overide the gearbox to pull away in a higher gear then?
Quote from: Winston on October 07, 2013, 11:51:03 AM
Quote from: richie on October 07, 2013, 11:18:15 AM
Quote from: Winston on October 07, 2013, 11:06:34 AM
Quote from: richie on October 07, 2013, 10:54:02 AM
Quote from: Winston on October 07, 2013, 09:08:41 AM
Leyland Lynx G324NUM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PjjPufgF0I&list=HL1381103447
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcklszNJcEc&list=HL1381103447
Leyland Lynx F613RTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4pUtdDolQo
Volvo Alisa 4738
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc3Vn7lU-ms&list=PL52z_c-pzZvDAzcTKsAZVlDbfqUvUYJGa
Dennis Lance M246MRW
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv8CRXIe_uU&list=PL52z_c-pzZvDAzcTKsAZVlDbfqUvUYJGa
PE Enviro's stuck in snow @ Colley Gate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9ZsVNvgrgE&list=FLsDyLkOVF6YXuzp6fFYafNw
The enviros are the worst bus I have ever driven in the snow to much power to the wheels.
Can you not compensate for that by putting your foot on he gas a bit lighter than with other types?
It seems it's all or nothing with them, every other type of bus is pretty good they crawl away except the Mercs which need full power and then the gears move up to second and they pull away.
I assume you can't manually overide the gearbox to pull away in a higher gear then?
No
Quote from: nitromatt1 on October 06, 2013, 10:58:30 PM
For anyone that loves proper Trident thrashes: http://youtu.be/p2yZg3IRtxk?t=3m24s
I had one almost as good as that on 4542 on the 126 this morning, even in Dudley town centre...
And for a proper Voith bus and the sound of my childhood... http://youtu.be/NAVNNILjLtc?t=1m50s
Best thank me for showing you the top video in the first place ;) (Only joking;))
Another of my favourite videos, this is why I love Euro 2 ZFs... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxSNx2vCq1Y
My selection if anyone wants to hear a real Voith...
Prototype Metrobus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaUVtheXNF4
Early Dennis Domminator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipogqBUmUfI&list=PLDB0E0C1855D67B80
And A Sreaming MK II Metrobus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdhJp8cPfP8
Quote from: 4006 on October 20, 2013, 11:11:58 PM
My selection if anyone wants to hear a real Voith...
Prototype Metrobus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaUVtheXNF4
Early Dennis Domminator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipogqBUmUfI&list=PLDB0E0C1855D67B80
And A Sreaming MK II Metrobus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdhJp8cPfP8
Good old 2989, my school bus until a few months back! That sound...
Quote from: 4006 on October 20, 2013, 11:11:58 PM
My selection if anyone wants to hear a real Voith...
Prototype Metrobus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaUVtheXNF4
You win! :P. The Mk1s were always my favourite Metrobuses, is there anywhere in the UK that they can still be found? :-[
Quote from: Sh4166 on October 20, 2013, 11:17:27 PM
Quote from: 4006 on October 20, 2013, 11:11:58 PM
My selection if anyone wants to hear a real Voith...
Prototype Metrobus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaUVtheXNF4
You win! :P. The Mk1s were always my favourite Metrobuses, is there anywhere in the UK that they can still be found? :-[
I rode one at Showbus :)
Quote from: Sh4166 on October 20, 2013, 11:17:27 PM
Quote from: 4006 on October 20, 2013, 11:11:58 PM
My selection if anyone wants to hear a real Voith...
Prototype Metrobus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaUVtheXNF4
You win! :P. The Mk1s were always my favourite Metrobuses, is there anywhere in the UK that they can still be found? :-[
6835 is a regular at The Transport museum Wythall and is often used on the main running days so you can get a ride on that one. there are usually 2 or 3 running days a year for info:
http://www.bammot.org.uk/index.asp
There are a few MKI's about preserved WMPTE 6832 is also preserved and was been stored in Tipton some time back
My favourite were the Rolls Royce Engined ones 7007 is still alive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kF3oVuug48
Also 2001 may be still about
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55074400@N05/5151830955/in/photolist-8RftRD-bzbTTH-bv83jH-9hYfuC-7CwbNa-9cj4tT-aTaB86-9mQBZy-bmvFfA-9mPxzS-bCXjwK-dgmRTZ-e2t3Xv-d9XzT4-e1oEtp-e2Gk5F-bzbTUa-bmvFfj-bmvFfw-9uyi4Y-bzbTTx-drYmYm-bzbTTV-8ohKEt-acNWjX-aTd7xt-csdpCA-7WhTEw-9hYfuy-aRVdGX-8ykbF7-fdBXAk-dNBCXh-dbEdCq-dkKko9-eDUgwk-dcQScQ-dcQRoY-db8WBz-db8Wzc-eh2tWp-eE1pq3-diHHBd-dJcppN-dku2bY-dLbfS6-fdSf9m-dkYfyw-db8YHE-dbEc6B-djSrNu
Quote from: 4006 on October 21, 2013, 11:34:15 AM
Quote from: Sh4166 on October 20, 2013, 11:17:27 PM
Quote from: 4006 on October 20, 2013, 11:11:58 PM
My selection if anyone wants to hear a real Voith...
Prototype Metrobus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaUVtheXNF4
You win! :P. The Mk1s were always my favourite Metrobuses, is there anywhere in the UK that they can still be found? :-[
6835 is a regular at The Transport museum Wythall and is often used on the main running days so you can get a ride on that one. there are usually 2 or 3 running days a year for info:
http://www.bammot.org.uk/index.asp
There are a few MKI's about preserved WMPTE 6832 is also preserved and was been stored in Tipton some time back
My favourite were the Rolls Royce Engined ones 7007 is still alive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kF3oVuug48
Also 2001 may be still about
http://www.flickr.com/photos/55074400@N05/5151830955/in/photolist-8RftRD-bzbTTH-bv83jH-9hYfuC-7CwbNa-9cj4tT-aTaB86-9mQBZy-bmvFfA-9mPxzS-bCXjwK-dgmRTZ-e2t3Xv-d9XzT4-e1oEtp-e2Gk5F-bzbTUa-bmvFfj-bmvFfw-9uyi4Y-bzbTTx-drYmYm-bzbTTV-8ohKEt-acNWjX-aTd7xt-csdpCA-7WhTEw-9hYfuy-aRVdGX-8ykbF7-fdBXAk-dNBCXh-dbEdCq-dkKko9-eDUgwk-dcQScQ-dcQRoY-db8WBz-db8Wzc-eh2tWp-eE1pq3-diHHBd-dJcppN-dku2bY-dLbfS6-fdSf9m-dkYfyw-db8YHE-dbEc6B-djSrNu
2205 is preserved by a lad who is not yet old enough to drive it
And still in normal use looking very smart
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/gonebatches/2400.html
Quote from: Tony on October 21, 2013, 05:11:34 PM
And still in normal use looking very smart
http://wmbusphotos.com/NXWM/gonebatches/2400.html
I'd love to see that be preserved in its Jeffersons advertising livery whilst at QN
My Favourite Bus Video's
2654
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42ZUgBK2Jpk
2707
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_aYdI1x85g
2769
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGHviMyh3AI
2869
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIagaY2T0qY
2877
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KD3LuXo8GM8
2957
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpr1HviobvQ
2961
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9ndaFXDI4M
2989
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAJOyixR9RE
3013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0FCPN3JuLc
6835
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaUVtheXNF4
The 3013 video is Matts :) One of the best Metrobus.sounds i've heard ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHSpUj3aKfU-- I like this one because of the WM interior and the thrash :)
Quote from: Trident 4609 on October 22, 2013, 05:51:58 PM
The 3013 video is Matts :) One of the best Metrobus.sounds i've heard ;)
So is the 2989 vid
This is probably my favourite Spectra clip on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTKDcvS2dlE&feature=youtu.be&t=3m10s
This is what Evergreen's Spectras sound like
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 27, 2013, 10:02:25 PM
This is probably my favourite Spectra clip on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTKDcvS2dlE&feature=youtu.be&t=3m10s
This is what Evergreen's Spectras sound like
What a fantastic noise! Thanks for sharing Matt
Quote from: wilmotm (Matt Wilmot) on November 27, 2013, 10:34:14 PM
Quote from: nitromatt1 on November 27, 2013, 10:02:25 PM
This is probably my favourite Spectra clip on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTKDcvS2dlE&feature=youtu.be&t=3m10s
This is what Evergreen's Spectras sound like
What a fantastic noise! Thanks for sharing Matt
It is, I will see if I can do an audio recording on my phone next time Evergreen allocate one on my route, obviously no filming on a school bus
Just stumbled across this beast of a B10 on Youtube. I must say I have never heard anything quite like it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmQYpkENr9o
For any fans of Voith B7TLs (like me), this is about as good as they get...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_4D0MzHpqk
Could not resist sharing this one. This is why the oldest Tridents are the best... (serious thrash alert!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWx4NMwPSWE
Quote from: Matt on April 08, 2014, 11:11:32 PM
Could not resist sharing this one. This is why the oldest Tridents are the best... (serious thrash alert!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWx4NMwPSWE
Shoot, how fast was that thing going!?
Quote from: Matt on April 08, 2014, 11:11:32 PM
Could not resist sharing this one. This is why the oldest Tridents are the best... (serious thrash alert!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWx4NMwPSWE
Around 20 of that batch were meant to be joining the TWM fleet at one point & some were refurbished at Walsall Paintshop, then Travel London won some additional work which saw them return to London & plans changed
Quote from: Liverpool Street on April 09, 2014, 12:09:04 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 08, 2014, 11:11:32 PM
Could not resist sharing this one. This is why the oldest Tridents are the best... (serious thrash alert!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWx4NMwPSWE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWx4NMwPSWE)
Shoot, how fast was that thing going!?
Comments on the video say that the KGW's have upgraded engines, compared to normal Tridents, and a 6 speed gearbox? I thought they were 4 speed. Either way, they are indeed capable of some serious speed. TGB have five from this batch at Hockley (115, 116, 121, 122, 123) and more in Surrey.
They also have a proper kickdown, like Olympians, unlike newer Tridents!
Quote from: Matt on April 09, 2014, 02:05:55 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on April 09, 2014, 12:09:04 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 08, 2014, 11:11:32 PM
Could not resist sharing this one. This is why the oldest Tridents are the best... (serious thrash alert!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWx4NMwPSWE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWx4NMwPSWE)
Shoot, how fast was that thing going!?
Comments on the video say that the KGW's have upgraded engines, compared to normal Tridents, and a 6 speed gearbox? I thought they were 4 speed. Either way, they are indeed capable of some serious speed. TGB have five from this batch at Hockley (115, 116, 121, 122, 123) and more in Surrey.
They also have a proper kickdown, like Olympians, unlike newer Tridents!
Hahahahahaha
I drove several of these between Walsall and Battersea when Walsall did Battersea garage's repaints! Several have speed limiters fitted at 39mph, not good fun when you are on the M6/M1. They all have 4 speed gearboxes, and in general drive exactly the same as the 41xx tridents at Walsall and BC. The ones that haven't got speed limiters set at 39mph are capable of about 52 mph much the same as NX ones which are normally set at 50mph. I cannot imagine Green bus have changed any engines or gearbox spec since I drove them them. When I asked Battersea if they could release the 39mph limit for my motorway runs I was told even that was quite a time consuming task, to difficult for two motorway runs, so I expect even those are still set the same
Quote from: Tony on April 09, 2014, 03:33:33 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 09, 2014, 02:05:55 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on April 09, 2014, 12:09:04 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 08, 2014, 11:11:32 PM
Could not resist sharing this one. This is why the oldest Tridents are the best... (serious thrash alert!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWx4NMwPSWE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWx4NMwPSWE)
Shoot, how fast was that thing going!?
Comments on the video say that the KGW's have upgraded engines, compared to normal Tridents, and a 6 speed gearbox? I thought they were 4 speed. Either way, they are indeed capable of some serious speed. TGB have five from this batch at Hockley (115, 116, 121, 122, 123) and more in Surrey.
They also have a proper kickdown, like Olympians, unlike newer Tridents!
Hahahahahaha
I drove several of these between Walsall and Battersea when Walsall did Battersea garage's repaints! Several have speed limiters fitted at 39mph, not good fun when you are on the M6/M1. They all have 4 speed gearboxes, and in general drive exactly the same as the 41xx tridents at Walsall and BC. The ones that haven't got speed limiters set at 39mph are capable of about 52 mph much the same as NX ones which are normally set at 50mph. I cannot imagine Green bus have changed any engines or gearbox spec since I drove them them. When I asked Battersea if they could release the 39mph limit for my motorway runs I was told even that was quite a time consuming task, to difficult for two motorway runs, so I expect even those are still set the same
39mph limiters? I don't think so. The YN51s are limited somewhere in that region. The same as the 41xx? I don't think so either. Euro 2 ZF against Euro 3 Voith, quite a difference if you ask me
Quote from: Matt on April 09, 2014, 05:58:44 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 09, 2014, 03:33:33 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 09, 2014, 02:05:55 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on April 09, 2014, 12:09:04 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 08, 2014, 11:11:32 PM
Could not resist sharing this one. This is why the oldest Tridents are the best... (serious thrash alert!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWx4NMwPSWE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWx4NMwPSWE)
Shoot, how fast was that thing going!?
Comments on the video say that the KGW's have upgraded engines, compared to normal Tridents, and a 6 speed gearbox? I thought they were 4 speed. Either way, they are indeed capable of some serious speed. TGB have five from this batch at Hockley (115, 116, 121, 122, 123) and more in Surrey.
They also have a proper kickdown, like Olympians, unlike newer Tridents!
Hahahahahaha
I drove several of these between Walsall and Battersea when Walsall did Battersea garage's repaints! Several have speed limiters fitted at 39mph, not good fun when you are on the M6/M1. They all have 4 speed gearboxes, and in general drive exactly the same as the 41xx tridents at Walsall and BC. The ones that haven't got speed limiters set at 39mph are capable of about 52 mph much the same as NX ones which are normally set at 50mph. I cannot imagine Green bus have changed any engines or gearbox spec since I drove them them. When I asked Battersea if they could release the 39mph limit for my motorway runs I was told even that was quite a time consuming task, to difficult for two motorway runs, so I expect even those are still set the same
39mph limiters? I don't think so. The YN51s are limited somewhere in that region. The same as the 41xx? I don't think so either. Euro 2 ZF against Euro 3 Voith, quite a difference if you ask me
As I said it is random buses that are limited to 39mph from all batches I don't know if Green Bus have any limited ones, I never kept a note of which were, just cursed when acceleration stopped happening on the motorway, I never knew if it was one until I hit the bottom of the M1 coming north, you never get above 39mph within London. It made about 20 minutes difference in the time it took to make the journey. As for your second point have you driven one? Well I have driven about 40 of the London ones and about 50 of the NX ones, yes the engines & gearboxes are different, but they drive very much the same. They both weigh about the same and the engines are about the same power output.
Try not being a know it all until you do!
Quote from: Tony on April 09, 2014, 06:19:57 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 09, 2014, 05:58:44 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 09, 2014, 03:33:33 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 09, 2014, 02:05:55 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on April 09, 2014, 12:09:04 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 08, 2014, 11:11:32 PM
Could not resist sharing this one. This is why the oldest Tridents are the best... (serious thrash alert!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWx4NMwPSWE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWx4NMwPSWE)
Shoot, how fast was that thing going!?
Comments on the video say that the KGW's have upgraded engines, compared to normal Tridents, and a 6 speed gearbox? I thought they were 4 speed. Either way, they are indeed capable of some serious speed. TGB have five from this batch at Hockley (115, 116, 121, 122, 123) and more in Surrey.
They also have a proper kickdown, like Olympians, unlike newer Tridents!
Hahahahahaha
I drove several of these between Walsall and Battersea when Walsall did Battersea garage's repaints! Several have speed limiters fitted at 39mph, not good fun when you are on the M6/M1. They all have 4 speed gearboxes, and in general drive exactly the same as the 41xx tridents at Walsall and BC. The ones that haven't got speed limiters set at 39mph are capable of about 52 mph much the same as NX ones which are normally set at 50mph. I cannot imagine Green bus have changed any engines or gearbox spec since I drove them them. When I asked Battersea if they could release the 39mph limit for my motorway runs I was told even that was quite a time consuming task, to difficult for two motorway runs, so I expect even those are still set the same
39mph limiters? I don't think so. The YN51s are limited somewhere in that region. The same as the 41xx? I don't think so either. Euro 2 ZF against Euro 3 Voith, quite a difference if you ask me
As I said it is random buses that are limited to 39mph from all batches I don't know if Green Bus have any limited ones, I never kept a note of which were, just cursed when acceleration stopped happening on the motorway, I never knew if it was one until I hit the bottom of the M1 coming north, you never get above 39mph within London. It made about 20 minutes difference in the time it took to make the journey. As for your second point have you driven one? Well I have driven about 40 of the London ones and about 50 of the NX ones, yes the engines & gearboxes are different, but they drive very much the same. They both weigh about the same and the engines are about the same power output.
Try not being a know it all until you do!
For heaven's sake Tony, show a little respect. It cannot be difficult to be a little more polite when correcting people. Of course I don't "know it all", but neither do you. As for Tridents, I prefer the oldest Euro 2 ZF's over any others. That is my opinion. Everyone's opinion is valid.
No, I don't know it all, but I posted two facts that I do know
1) Several Connex/Travel London/Abellio Tridents have speed limiters fitted set at around 39mph
2) These buses drive the same as NX's Y reg tridents (not that they have the same engines/gearboxes, just that they drive the same)
You showed no respect by trying to say I was wrong on both accounts.
Quote from: Tony on April 09, 2014, 07:48:45 PM
No, I don't know it all, but I posted two facts that I do know
1) Several Connex/Travel London/Abellio Tridents have speed limiters fitted set at around 39mph
2) These buses drive the same as NX's Y reg tridents (not that they have the same engines/gearboxes, just that they drive the same)
You showed no respect by trying to say I was wrong on both accounts.
I know about the YN51 Tridents' limiters, but I did not know about any V-KGWs having them, are you sure any of the V-KGWs had limiters at all? (9701-9730.)
What exactly do you mean by "they drive the same"?
I said "I don't think so" not "No, you are wrong"
Quote from: Matt on April 09, 2014, 07:57:22 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 09, 2014, 07:48:45 PM
No, I don't know it all, but I posted two facts that I do know
1) Several Connex/Travel London/Abellio Tridents have speed limiters fitted set at around 39mph
2) These buses drive the same as NX's Y reg tridents (not that they have the same engines/gearboxes, just that they drive the same)
You showed no respect by trying to say I was wrong on both accounts.
I know about the YN51 Tridents' limiters, but I did not know about any V-KGWs having them, are you sure any of the V-KGWs had limiters at all? (9701-9730.)
What exactly do you mean by "they drive the same"?
I said "I don't think so" not "No, you are wrong"
Every single bus has a speed limiter nowadays, it just depends on what speed they are set at. NXWM set all theirs at 50mph at the moment (except a few oddities like 4309 which is set at 38mph) Travel London had a purge of setting random buses from all batches between 9701 & 9816 the same as 4309 at around 38mph the others were normally around 52mph There was no logic to which ones were done. I could say take 9772 down to London at 52mph, get given 9771 to bring home and curse as soon as I got to Staples Corner. When I picked up a bus at Battersea to bring back to Walsall you couldn't tell what the limiter was driving it around London. The acceleration, braking and general driving charactoristics were very similar to the NXWM ones I was driving in service at Walsall at the same time. I had no preference between the two types which I would prefer to drive
Quote from: Matt on April 09, 2014, 07:57:22 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 09, 2014, 07:48:45 PM
No, I don't know it all, but I posted two facts that I do know
1) Several Connex/Travel London/Abellio Tridents have speed limiters fitted set at around 39mph
2) These buses drive the same as NX's Y reg tridents (not that they have the same engines/gearboxes, just that they drive the same)
You showed no respect by trying to say I was wrong on both accounts.
I know about the YN51 Tridents' limiters, but I did not know about any V-KGWs having them, are you sure any of the V-KGWs had limiters at all? (9701-9730.)
What exactly do you mean by "they drive the same"?
I said "I don't think so" not "No, you are wrong"
You were pretty rude initially Matt as "I don't think so" x2 is deliberately dismissive and patronising as is "if you ask me". Especially when people who have driven tridents probably know more... How many days have you been allowed back on again?
Quote from: Tony on April 09, 2014, 08:17:57 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 09, 2014, 07:57:22 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 09, 2014, 07:48:45 PM
No, I don't know it all, but I posted two facts that I do know
1) Several Connex/Travel London/Abellio Tridents have speed limiters fitted set at around 39mph
2) These buses drive the same as NX's Y reg tridents (not that they have the same engines/gearboxes, just that they drive the same)
You showed no respect by trying to say I was wrong on both accounts.
I know about the YN51 Tridents' limiters, but I did not know about any V-KGWs having them, are you sure any of the V-KGWs had limiters at all? (9701-9730.)
What exactly do you mean by "they drive the same"?
I said "I don't think so" not "No, you are wrong"
Every single bus has a speed limiter nowadays, it just depends on what speed they are set at. NXWM set all theirs at 50mph at the moment (except a few oddities like 4309 which is set at 38mph) Travel London had a purge of setting random buses from all batches between 9701 & 9816 the same as 4309 at around 38mph the others were normally around 52mph There was no logic to which ones were done. I could say take 9772 down to London at 52mph, get given 9771 to bring home and curse as soon as I got to Staples Corner. When I picked up a bus at Battersea to bring back to Walsall you couldn't tell what the limiter was driving it around London. The acceleration, braking and general driving charactoristics were very similar to the NXWM ones I was driving in service at Walsall at the same time. I had no preference between the two types which I would prefer to drive
I gather the limiters limit only top speed then and not power output? So, for example pulling out of a hard shoulder on the motorway, 4309 would match 4310 up to 38mph?
Quote from: Matt on April 09, 2014, 08:27:16 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 09, 2014, 08:17:57 PM
Quote from: Matt on April 09, 2014, 07:57:22 PM
Quote from: Tony on April 09, 2014, 07:48:45 PM
No, I don't know it all, but I posted two facts that I do know
1) Several Connex/Travel London/Abellio Tridents have speed limiters fitted set at around 39mph
2) These buses drive the same as NX's Y reg tridents (not that they have the same engines/gearboxes, just that they drive the same)
You showed no respect by trying to say I was wrong on both accounts.
I know about the YN51 Tridents' limiters, but I did not know about any V-KGWs having them, are you sure any of the V-KGWs had limiters at all? (9701-9730.)
What exactly do you mean by "they drive the same"?
I said "I don't think so" not "No, you are wrong"
Every single bus has a speed limiter nowadays, it just depends on what speed they are set at. NXWM set all theirs at 50mph at the moment (except a few oddities like 4309 which is set at 38mph) Travel London had a purge of setting random buses from all batches between 9701 & 9816 the same as 4309 at around 38mph the others were normally around 52mph There was no logic to which ones were done. I could say take 9772 down to London at 52mph, get given 9771 to bring home and curse as soon as I got to Staples Corner. When I picked up a bus at Battersea to bring back to Walsall you couldn't tell what the limiter was driving it around London. The acceleration, braking and general driving charactoristics were very similar to the NXWM ones I was driving in service at Walsall at the same time. I had no preference between the two types which I would prefer to drive
I gather the limiters limit only top speed then and not power output? So, for example pulling out of a hard shoulder on the motorway, 4309 would match 4310 up to 38mph?
Correct, done purely on road speed, not engine speed or output
Has you know who suddenly got a bus licence and gained many years if experience over night
Feast your ears on this beast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhI061tHTWY
2:13 to about 3:13 on this. Or 6:35 onwards. Spectra-cular. Quite a thrash!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOzNoADCFds (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOzNoADCFds)
Familiar to anyone? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3duYHSAsZA
Found another video of a ZF Spectra with kickdown usage. I must say I haven't heard one quite like this before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bva7qfVL1Lo
Something a little different here. This is for anyone who thinks coaches are boring...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhBdEu_Obcs
The fun begins just after 1:30.
A beastly DB250, with some MEGA over revving...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY5N9yDgGeQ
I haven't published this one yet but as it's my favourite president 4039, I thought why not put a link on here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NThXtA9uCqU
4089 has won it's place on my hall of fame. It sounds exactly like a Lynx. Get a video of it would anybody do the honour?
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 31, 2014, 04:12:00 PM
4089 has won it's place on my hall of fame. It sounds exactly like a Lynx. Get a video of it would anybody do the honour?
trident4370 has already done two:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v9OJGgmpHU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY2bPuf16XU
Ah yes I forgot about that, second fave president then :P I have a third video of 4089 somewhere in HD on the 49 ill post the link when im on pc later.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 31, 2014, 04:12:00 PM
4089 has won it's place on my hall of fame. It sounds exactly like a Lynx. Get a video of it would anybody do the honour?
It literally does sound like a lynx, especially towards the start! Really miss the lynxes... MAN/Centro's are the next best sounding thing!!
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 31, 2014, 04:38:31 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 31, 2014, 04:12:00 PM
4089 has won it's place on my hall of fame. It sounds exactly like a Lynx. Get a video of it would anybody do the honour?
It literally does sound like a lynx, especially towards the start! Really miss the lynxes... MAN/Centro's are the next best sounding thing!!
Worst sounding buses going award goes to.... 2012 Volvo B7RLE's! Those MAN/Centro's are fantastic noise making machines. I totally agree with you.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 31, 2014, 04:46:45 PM
Quote from: DiamondDart on May 31, 2014, 04:38:31 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 31, 2014, 04:12:00 PM
4089 has won it's place on my hall of fame. It sounds exactly like a Lynx. Get a video of it would anybody do the honour?
It literally does sound like a lynx, especially towards the start! Really miss the lynxes... MAN/Centro's are the next best sounding thing!!
Worst sounding buses going award goes to.... 2012 Volvo B7RLE's! Those MAN/Centro's are fantastic noise making machines. I totally agree with you.
They go like the clappers as well!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozzv_7rQRXs As promised 4089 in HD, truth be told I'd forgotten the first 2 videos were still on my channel!
Quote from: trident4370 on May 31, 2014, 07:16:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozzv_7rQRXs As promised 4089 in HD, truth be told I'd forgotten the first 2 videos were still on my channel!
Compare with - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyYo78zyQAM - All respective copyrights given. Sounds near identical. Obviously you couldn't quite get perfection in comparison to the Lynxs, but I doubt 2001 is coming back any time soon.
What a Beast7TL... never heard one sound like this before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JaEL2IUbrs
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 31, 2014, 10:07:06 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 31, 2014, 07:16:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozzv_7rQRXs As promised 4089 in HD, truth be told I'd forgotten the first 2 videos were still on my channel!
Compare with - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyYo78zyQAM - All respective copyrights given. Sounds near identical. Obviously you couldn't quite get perfection in comparison to the Lynxs, but I doubt 2001 is coming back any time soon.
Ahh I miss that sound on the 35 :(
Quote from: trident4370 on June 01, 2014, 07:05:32 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 31, 2014, 10:07:06 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 31, 2014, 07:16:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozzv_7rQRXs As promised 4089 in HD, truth be told I'd forgotten the first 2 videos were still on my channel!
Compare with - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyYo78zyQAM - All respective copyrights given. Sounds near identical. Obviously you couldn't quite get perfection in comparison to the Lynxs, but I doubt 2001 is coming back any time soon.
Ahh I miss that sound on the 35 :(
I know, the 35 and the 35 and the 27 once upon a time... remember that?
Bit of trivia; was the 35 the only route bar the saver bus which had branding on both single and double deck vehicles?
Haha I kind of remember that, I was very young at the time though but I remember those routes being confusing.
No idea regarding the branding but I'm sure someone else will be able to answer that question.
Quote from: trident4370 on June 01, 2014, 07:24:04 PM
Haha I kind of remember that, I was very young at the time though but I remember those routes being confusing.
No idea regarding the branding but I'm sure someone else will be able to answer that question.
Yep, I remember that though again I was pretty young at the time. Metrobuses and lynxes were both branded route 35 though the lynxes additionally had circular 35 branding towards the back. I always thought on the branded buses that Route 35 would have looked better than route 35 but I'm probably just being fussy about grammar!
That was after the route was split again though in 2003? As prior to that the 35 covered the 27 route.
As an aside, does anyone else find the current 27 confusing? I used to know where it went around Northfield but now I don't have a clue! Buses seem to go in completely different directions from certain stops and it seems to do a weird loop around Northfield!!
I think with the 27, buses towards Maypole turn left out of Woodland Road, head down Great Stone Road, then right onto Bristol road so they can serve the high st. Down Church road and then they stay on Bunbury road and proceed to Bournville. Hawkesley bound buses just do the reverse if I'm right.
Quote from: Liverpool Street on June 01, 2014, 07:09:40 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 01, 2014, 07:05:32 PM
Quote from: Liverpool Street on May 31, 2014, 10:07:06 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on May 31, 2014, 07:16:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozzv_7rQRXs As promised 4089 in HD, truth be told I'd forgotten the first 2 videos were still on my channel!
Compare with - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyYo78zyQAM - All respective copyrights given. Sounds near identical. Obviously you couldn't quite get perfection in comparison to the Lynxs, but I doubt 2001 is coming back any time soon.
Ahh I miss that sound on the 35 :(
I know, the 35 and the 35 and the 27 once upon a time... remember that?
Bit of trivia; was the 35 the only route bar the saver bus which had branding on both single and double deck vehicles?
Hagley Road had the B10Ls branded and the E400s branded (albiet with a bit of a gap IIRC...)
Quote from: trident4370 on June 01, 2014, 07:50:49 PM
I think with the 27, buses towards Maypole turn left out of Woodland Road, head down Great Stone Road, then right onto Bristol road so they can serve the high st. Down Church road and then they stay on Bunbury road and proceed to Bournville. Hawkesley bound buses just do the reverse if I'm right.
Thanks for the info
@trident4370. It still seems rather complicated and the existing route via Pamela Rd and South Rd seemed far more sensible.
Quote from: DiamondDart on June 01, 2014, 08:01:07 PM
Quote from: trident4370 on June 01, 2014, 07:50:49 PM
I think with the 27, buses towards Maypole turn left out of Woodland Road, head down Great Stone Road, then right onto Bristol road so they can serve the high st. Down Church road and then they stay on Bunbury road and proceed to Bournville. Hawkesley bound buses just do the reverse if I'm right.
Thanks for the info @trident4370. It still seems rather complicated and the existing route via Pamela Rd and South Rd seemed far more sensible.
I agree
@DiamondDart - That current 27 is still confusing even though it has been explained to me many times. It stops at the same stops on the same and opposite sides of the road I don't know :(
2:34 on this! Gosh that takes me back...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikXg9DpvwFo
Reminds me of being on a late night 244
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZ4YR605LY
My favourite modern bus (apart from Euro 3 voith Tridents) has to be this gearbox, has to be this euro engine:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NcRte7Yz-qc
http://m.youtube.com/?hl=en-GB&gl=GB#/watch?v=6FUbtVqAviQ
Quote from: Matt on May 28, 2015, 10:34:59 PM
7:19 on this. What a noise! https://youtu.be/x-lClLB-drk?t=7m19s
Sounds like 2865
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2DeSy1rnhAE