4927 Was on 94 today fitted with a new ticket machine.
A 28 branded bus was on 71 today with new ticket machine fitted also.
Quote from: Jack D on September 28, 2017, 07:52:02 PM
4927 Was on 94 today fitted with a new ticket machine.
A 28 branded bus was on 71 today with new ticket machine fitted also.
Do you mean 4279?
Yes Tony.
IIRC these new ticket machines also support contactless payments, yes?
Does this make them compatible with mobile payments then? i.e. Apple Pay/Android Pay
I saw one of these on 4801 I think it was.
Quote from: CL on September 29, 2017, 02:06:19 AM
IIRC these new ticket machines also support contactless payments, yes?
Does this make them compatible with mobile payments then? i.e. Apple Pay/Android Pay
I don't think it is set up yet, but yes they will accept contactless. No idea about mobile pay
Quote from: John on September 29, 2017, 08:59:30 AM
I don't think it is set up yet, but yes they will accept contactless. No idea about mobile pay
Even if it's not officially supported, Apple and Android Pay can work with regular contactless readers too. It's not guaranteed though, but I remember someone in the US using his iPhone on a regular contactless machine and it working.
Contactless is contactless, surely?
Doesn't matter whether it's a bank card or mobile phone or magic wand, if there's a chip for it it should work
(you think I'm jesting with the "magic wand", there's a video somewhere of someone who took the chip out of their Oyster Card and made a real life wand - brilliant)
Quote from: Kevin on September 29, 2017, 06:09:35 PM
Contactless is contactless, surely?
Doesn't matter whether it's a bank card or mobile phone or magic wand, if there's a chip for it it should work
(you think I'm jesting with the "magic wand", there's a video somewhere of someone who took the chip out of their Oyster Card and made a real life wand - brilliant)
I'm guessing that there's some proprietary stuff going on with Apple Pay, and maybe Android too, since I know that it doesn't actually share any of your personal details like a regular contactless transaction does. Some readers may not support that, but who knows, I'm no expert.
I'd love to see that magic wand, could try to convert my mates one that he got from the Harry Potter place in London! ;D
1866 and 4283 both have the new ticket machine.
It must be Perry Bar getting them all first. Maybe?
Quote from: Jack D on September 30, 2017, 06:00:45 PM
It must be Perry Bar getting them all first. Maybe?
Coventry had them first.
Quote from: Jack D on September 30, 2017, 06:00:45 PM
It must be Perry Bar getting them all first. Maybe?
No, Coventry received them first.
Really like these new machines. So quick at reading passes and the tickets are a vast improvement. You can see them when they are quickly flashed at you with the changing word of the day and the date in 2 places. Still find it strange not to have to change the fare stages. Some are playing up a bit I've heard but expected with teething troubles
Can also finally see the cash chute properly in a Gemini now!
Quote from: John on October 13, 2017, 09:37:06 PM
Really like these new machines. So quick at reading passes and the tickets are a vast improvement. You can see them when they are quickly flashed at you with the changing word of the day and the date in 2 places. Still find it strange not to have to change the fare stages. Some are playing up a bit I've heard but expected with teething troubles
Can also finally see the cash chute properly in a Gemini now!
They are really good. The tickets are a huge improvement, actually can see the fonts. Only thing that isn't good is some drivers don't know how to use the new wayfarer properly. It took about 5 minutes for a driver to issue the £1 promo Daysaver as they didn't know what to do.
Quote from: Jack on October 13, 2017, 09:40:12 PM
They are really good. The tickets are a huge improvement, actually can see the fonts. Only thing that isn't good is some drivers don't know how to use the new wayfarer properly. It took about 5 minutes for a driver to issue the £1 promo Daysaver as they didn't know what to do.
It is just getting used to the new layout and the different menus for all the day tickets. Which are very different on the init machines than the old Wayfarers
Quote from: Jack on October 13, 2017, 09:40:12 PM
They are really good. The tickets are a huge improvement, actually can see the fonts. Only thing that isn't good is some drivers don't know how to use the new wayfarer properly. It took about 5 minutes for a driver to issue the £1 promo Daysaver as they didn't know what to do.
They're not wayfarers
Quote from: Tony on October 13, 2017, 10:02:19 PM
They're not wayfarers
I know, they're called 'init machines', I'm getting use to not calling them wayfarers anymore.
Seen a few issues with paper getting stuck in the printers already though
Quote from: Kevin on October 14, 2017, 10:33:37 AM
Seen a few issues with paper getting stuck in the printers already though
When on 4485 today, the drop claw machine was jammed and the driver had to keep banging it to un jam, resulting in loads of money dropping onto the floor!
Quote from: Jack on October 14, 2017, 05:31:15 PM
When on 4485 today, the drop claw machine was jammed and the driver had to keep banging it to un jam, resulting in loads of money dropping onto the floor!
The what?!
Quote from: Dom on October 14, 2017, 05:32:28 PM
The what?!
The money you put in the machine to purchase a ticket! What do you think they were?!
Quote from: Jack on October 14, 2017, 05:33:55 PM
The money you put in the machine to purchase a ticket! What do you think they were?!
Aren't drop claw machines what you win stupid soft toys from in amusement arcades?
Do you mean the vault?
Quote from: Tony on October 14, 2017, 05:37:49 PM
Aren't drop claw machines what you win stupid soft toys from in amusement arcades?
Do you mean the vault?
I got told by a driver that's what they're called. Yes the vault, if you want it to be called that way.
Quote from: Jack on October 14, 2017, 05:31:15 PM
When on 4485 today, the drop claw machine was jammed and the driver had to keep banging it to un jam, resulting in loads of money dropping onto the floor!
Nothing to do with the init machines. A few I've had recently have done that and ive either tapped the side of the chute or used the mushroom key to get it to unstick. Probably the age of some of the vaults. I put it on the VCR so something should get done
Quote from: John on October 14, 2017, 05:41:22 PM
Nothing to do with the init machines. A few I've had recently have done that and ive either tapped the side of the chute or used the mushroom key to get it to unstick. Probably the age of some of the vaults. I put it on the VCR so something should get done
The driver was sticking something down it. So I'm guessing the vault was becoming old and tired. The ticket machine then played up too.
Quote from: Jack on October 14, 2017, 05:33:55 PM
The money you put in the machine to purchase a ticket! What do you think they were?!
I know what they are, they're not called that.
Quote from: Jack on October 14, 2017, 05:44:26 PM
The driver was sticking something down it. So I'm guessing the vault was becoming old and tired. The ticket machine then played up too.
Clogged up with notes more than likely. The new £5 notes are the worst
Ah, the cash vault chute. Yes, they are very old now, and when originally designed probably didn't have paper notes in mind, or people pouring in vast quantities of coins to pay for a £4 daysaver. ;)
Back in the day, when an adult single was 60p, the chute could easily handle a 50p and 10p coin, and the driver could see exactly what you'd paid. People wonder nowadays why drivers get shirty when you pour two pounds worth of 10p and 5p coins and they are expected to know what ticket you want! ;)
But yes, as stated, not an issue with the new ticket machines, drivers have had to bang the chute or ram bits of paper or plastic in to unjam them for years now.
I remember during my time working at Amazon, I used to take the A52 from Erdington and the Amazon daysaver used to cost £6. Most people used to pay with a fiver and a pound coin. The driver routinely after issuing tickets had to use a ruler to force notes down the chute.
These things are built for coins.
I remember putting my 3p in the farebox when going to school after the 50 was converted to driver only operation back in 1972!
I wonder if some of those fareboxes are still in use today?
Remember the 2p kids fare
Which depot is next to get the new ticket machines
From the person I spoke to in the know Bordesely are next followed by Wolverhampton then West Brom
Quote from: WB Driver on October 16, 2017, 02:45:20 PM
From the person I spoke to in the know Bordesely are next followed by Wolverhampton then West Brom
Well, Pensnett's are meant to start being fitted mid-November, although that's changed 3 times already.
when are bordsely acocks green and birmingham central gonna be fitted with the new ticket machines
Quote from: Dom on October 17, 2017, 08:52:18 AM
Well, Pensnett's are meant to start being fitted mid-November, although that's changed 3 times already.
Bordesley Greens are now being fitted.
1811 on the 55 has a new Init Ticket machine.
just wondering how long would it take to do the whole of bordsely garage
bordsely green 1788 has been fitted with the new ticket machine
1801 has a new ticket machine and card reader.
Quote from: Jack on October 23, 2017, 10:15:14 PM
1801 has a new ticket machine and card reader.
They do around 10 a day, they will all be fitted within a few days, please don't list all 1530 buses as they are fitted
May I ask, what'll be happening to the Wayfarer machines & old printers then? Apologies if it's been asked before.
Yea if there for sale would someone kindly give me a link please
Was on the 17 this morning and the display on the machine indicated the driver was running on time.Presumably this info is fed back to management?
what garage is next for the ticket machine fitting
Quote from: Jordan on October 26, 2017, 06:40:27 PM
what garage is next for the ticket machine fitting
Wolverhampton.
Quote from: WB Driver on October 16, 2017, 02:45:20 PM
From the person I spoke to in the know Bordesely are next followed by Wolverhampton then West Brom
When purchasing an Adult Daysaver from one of these new Ticket Machines on Coventry's Buses, i've noticed on a few occasions now, that at both the top and bottom of the Ticket, they seem to have a four letter word printed on them, which don't make any sense whatsoever ??? So far on the three Daysavers that i've purchased recently, i've had the words: "LOOP", "JOKE" and "TOOK" appear on them and a friend of mine has had the words: "PODS" and "BONE" ! Can anyone explain please what this is all about, as it's got a number of people here puzzled as to what they're even on there for ???
Quote from: Coventry Transport Dude on October 26, 2017, 08:17:14 PM
When purchasing an Adult Daysaver from one of these new Ticket Machines on Coventry's Buses, i've noticed on a few occasions now, that at both the top and bottom of the Ticket, they seem to have a four letter word printed on them, which don't make any sense whatsoever ??? So far on the three Daysavers that i've purchased recently, i've had the words: "LOOP", "JOKE" and "TOOK" appear on them and a friend of mine has had the words: "PODS" and "BONE" ! Can anyone explain please what this is all about, as it's got a number of people here puzzled as to what they're even on there for ???
I've had "DOGS" and "LENT" on Perry Barr's new tickets.
The words change daily. Easy to spot instead of looking for the date. As long as the driver remembers what that days word is!
Quote from: Gareth on October 26, 2017, 08:19:28 PM
The words change daily. Easy to spot instead of looking for the date. As long as the driver remembers what that days word is!
Quite funny the other week when the word was 'Kids'. There was a radio call during the day as people were complaining thinking they had been given a Child daysaver instead of an Adult one.
Quote from: John on October 26, 2017, 08:21:24 PM
Quite funny the other week when the word was 'Kids'. There was a radio call during the day as people were complaining thinking they had been given a Child daysaver instead of an Adult one.
That happened the other week lol. A passenger wanted an Adult Daysaver and started monaning at the driver as it said 'KIDS' thinking it was a Child Daysaver, held up the bus for 5 minutes on Witton Lodge Road.
Quote from: Jordan on October 26, 2017, 06:40:27 PM
what garage is next for the ticket machine fitting
Why keep asking when
@wbdriver has mentioned wolves and West Brom are next... on this same page scroll up!
Wolverhampton's being done now, I think it was 4588 but I could be wrong, but certainly whatever Trident I had on the 82 had one fitted.
Hi there, apologies if I've missed this but has anyone got a photo of the new tickets? Cheers Craig
Quote from: craighu on October 31, 2017, 07:56:43 PM
Hi there, apologies if I've missed this but has anyone got a photo of the new tickets? Cheers Craig
I found one example on Flickr, a lot less paper than the old ones which is nice. Hopefully they'll still be doing the McDonalds/Burger King offers on the backs!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/132355857@N02/37047683424/
Quote from: DJ98 on October 31, 2017, 08:03:30 PM
I found one example on Flickr, a lot less paper than the old ones which is nice. Hopefully they'll still be doing the McDonalds/Burger King offers on the backs!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/132355857@N02/37047683424/
Yes some still do have the vouchers on the back
Quote from: John on October 31, 2017, 08:16:35 PM
Yes some still do have the vouchers on the back
Ah, great to hear. I've got one of the older ones from yesterday with a McDonalds voucher on, I would use it but I'm pretty sure it'll be my last ever old-style ticket, so I guess it's going away in a drawer somewhere.
Quote from: DJ98 on October 31, 2017, 08:27:07 PM
Ah, great to hear. I've got one of the older ones from yesterday with a McDonalds voucher on, I would use it but I'm pretty sure it'll be my last ever old-style ticket, so I guess it's going away in a drawer somewhere.
I'll be happy to see the back of them. They were so hard to read, especially in the faded blue. Not only that but they tend to crease really easy, the new tickets are way better.
Quote from: Jack on October 31, 2017, 08:48:53 PM
I'll be happy to see the back of them. They were so hard to read, especially in the faded blue. Not only that but they tend to crease really easy, the new tickets are way better.
Yeah, that's true, you can't really tell if it's valid or not when it's completely creased and scrunched up. Are there any extra security features with the new one or is it just the pattern in the background again?
Quote from: DJ98 on October 31, 2017, 09:02:27 PM
Yeah, that's true, you can't really tell if it's valid or not when it's completely creased and scrunched up. Are there any extra security features with the new one or is it just the pattern in the background again?
Black font? The new ones feel a lot like a receipt, the old ones feel like a piece of messed up paper.
Quote from: DJ98 on October 31, 2017, 09:02:27 PM
Yeah, that's true, you can't really tell if it's valid or not when it's completely creased and scrunched up. Are there any extra security features with the new one or is it just the pattern in the background again?
Daysavers will have a word of the day at the top and bottom.
Thermal paper. Text is heated on rather than ink so it will never fade like the old ink tickets. The date can not be sctratched out either
On the drivers screen, is the number next to Late/Early the time in minutes? If so my 55 this morning was running 97 minutes early! 😂
Wolves 6759 has the new equipment.
Pensnett get their first init machines on Monday
Quote from: Tony on November 17, 2017, 08:15:41 AM
Pensnett get their first initiative machines on Monday
Is the full name for them 'Initiative', or was that auto-correct messing up?
Quote from: DJ98 on November 17, 2017, 12:31:44 PM
Is the full name for them 'Initiative', or was that auto-correct messing up?
Auto correct on my phone
with 2 x tridents being transferred from wn with these new machines, are they loaded with all nxwm info so that a bus could go to work at any garage?
Quote from: mranon on November 17, 2017, 06:04:01 PM
with 2 x tridents being transferred from wn with these new machines, are they loaded with all nxwm info so that a bus could go to work at any garage?
The old ticket machines can work from any garage, never mind the new ones.
I managed to log in to PB33 once by mistake when putting in AG31 into the ticket machine.
Quote from: MW on November 17, 2017, 09:10:35 PM
The old ticket machines can work from any garage, never mind the new ones.
I managed to log in to PB33 once by mistake when putting in AG31 into the ticket machine.
They can't. They are garage specific, you have to change the keyboard each time a bus is transferred
Quote from: Tony on November 18, 2017, 08:43:03 AM
They can't. They are garage specific, you have to change the keyboard each time a bus is transferred
In that case, I stand corrected lol.
Quote from: Tony on November 18, 2017, 08:43:03 AM
They can't. They are garage specific, you have to change the keyboard each time a bus is transferred
Correct me if Im wrong but there's no duplicated service numbers within Brum & Solihull is there?
It would only be a problem if the bus transfers to the Black Country & / or Coventry from Brum garages or vice versa or within the Black Country area.
Was there an issue when vehicles transferred under the old numbering system or was that down to memory of the machine?
For the ticket machines there's no duplicated numbers in the West Midlands.
Yes, init does hold them all
46 Birmingham - Perry Barr 46 West Brom - Great Barr
So the driver at Perry Barr put in pb46
The driver at west brom puts in wb46
Then the ticket machine knows which one is which simple
Quote from: Jack D on November 18, 2017, 09:20:26 PM
46 Birmingham - Perry Barr 46 West Brom - Great Barr
46 and H46.
Quote from: Jack D on November 18, 2017, 09:20:26 PM
46 Birmingham - Perry Barr 46 West Brom - Great Barr
If you look at a ticket off the West Bromwich 46 you will see the route showing as the H46
Presumably, the H is for Hamstead? ???
Quote from: CL on November 19, 2017, 10:25:32 AM
Presumably, the H is for Hamstead? ???
The old 406H? Gone are the days of B6's and 0405N's being thrashed to death on Newton Road.
Quote from: CL on November 19, 2017, 10:25:32 AM
Presumably, the H is for Hamstead? ???
Damn youngsters not knowing their heritage! :-)
H is for West Bromwich
N is for Wolverhampton
Quote from: Tony on November 19, 2017, 10:26:45 AM
Damn youngsters not knowing their heritage! :-)
H is for West Bromwich
N is for Wolverhampton
W for some Walsall routes as well don't forget!
Ahh! Shame on me. :P
Quote from: Dom on November 19, 2017, 10:30:37 AM
W for some Walsall routes as well don't forget!
Walsall Corp buses had the L suffix on the end of their numbers in the WMPTE changeover. As Coventry had the Y suffix too. Not sure if this would be the same for the route duplications over the municipalities
@DomHaven't used any buses since I got a car so have not had the pleasure of the new tickets yet
Coventry tickets have C before the route number.
Thought I read somewhere the Y for Coventry was got rid of because it was mistaken for 7 on paperwork. I'm sure others around at the time would know the reason.
Coventry service numbers have always started with a 'C' and were registered with VOSA as C.. up to a few years back. Apart from Coventry, Walsall was the first place where duplicate service numbers appeared, so were prefixed W if the clashed. The 70 was just put is as 70 as there wasn't a 70 in Birmingham then.
When the duplicates appeared in West Bromwich and Wolverhampton W couldn't be used so they reverted to the old bus codes of H & N, and when the 70 was introduced in Birmingham because Walsall was using plain 70 the Coleshill route was in Ticket Machines as the B70
Quote from: Tony on November 20, 2017, 01:19:31 PM
Coventry service numbers have always started with a 'C' and were registered with VOSA as C.. up to a few years back. Apart from Coventry, Walsall was the first place where duplicate service numbers appeared, so were prefixed W if the clashed. The 70 was just put is as 70 as there wasn't a 70 in Birmingham then.
When the duplicates appeared in West Bromwich and Wolverhampton W couldn't be used so they reverted to the old bus codes of H & N, and when the 70 was introduced in Birmingham because Walsall was using plain 70 the Coleshill route was in Ticket Machines as the B70
I'm trying to think if any buses/bus companies have ever displayed a 'C' before the number actually on the number blinds - but I can't think of any off-hand, even going back to the days of Vanguard Travel etc.
Looking at the current NWM guide to Coventry, the only duplicate service numbers [with different companies] is the '18' - an NXC one and an occasional Stagecoach one, if you exclude all the U & X prefixed services. Think there's been two 48's previously.
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 20, 2017, 02:41:36 PM
I'm trying to think if any buses/bus companies have ever displayed a 'C' before the number actually on the number blinds - but I can't think of any off-hand, even going back to the days of Vanguard Travel etc.
Looking at the current NWM guide to Coventry, the only duplicate service numbers [with different companies] is the '18' - an NXC one and an occasional Stagecoach one, if you exclude all the U & X prefixed services. Think there's been two 48's previously.
Didn't Stagecoach display the C on a couple of tendered routes they operated about 10 years ago.
One operator definitely did.
With duplicate service numbers I mean where Coventry one duplicated Birmingham ones, that is why the C was used
Quote from: Tony on November 20, 2017, 02:44:20 PM
Didn't Stagecoach display the C on a couple of tendered routes they operated about 10 years ago.
One operator definitely did.
With duplicate service numbers I mean where Coventry one duplicated Birmingham ones, that is why the C was used
I've come across this picture on Flickr:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/108923052@N02/32072748243/in/photolist-QSadDZ-nDZr7m-nnGqcc-ppVMkV-nC95ph-fJWtsL-8KGSzj-ovfY4F-nDX7d2-nE2KV9-nM19z4-nnGKhs-nnK3ST-nCcqWo-nnKmwS-nCbtN7-8WNkKm-mabDeF-nEdx1b-nDUTkx-oUYHXs-nDW34T-nDX4Nc-nEdtAq-8dv2AN-nDTdm2-nEf9Bv-d6tbA5-kH9KEr-nG1QcB-nCcjwQ-9Sk4Un-nE2okL-nDWHWi-aFVr74-nnHnd4-nE1jbA-nnK58C-nnGSRx-nCc3XJ-nEf9hH-dYnB7A-nEeiad-nnKG5B-ceHUfs-nnJ8jm-FD6eGW-9Bb2LS-nVoDWz-8uoXnB
Could that be Midland Red South providing a Sunday (or even an evening) service on WMT route 5 City, Pool Meadow - Coundon? They did a few other Sunday services (23 to Allesley Park just after deregulation I seem to recall, is one example).
Quote from: JoNi on November 20, 2017, 12:57:54 PM
Coventry tickets have C before the route number.
Thought I read somewhere the Y for Coventry was got rid of because it was mistaken for 7 on paperwork. I'm sure others around at the time would know the reason.
Yes, I believe that was true. Think I first saw it many years ago in Malcolm Keeley's book on WMPTE. Coventry fleetnumbers had 1000 added to their ex Coventry number. For example 123Y became 1123.
Quote from: JoNi on November 20, 2017, 12:57:54 PM
Coventry tickets have C before the route number.
Thought I read somewhere the Y for Coventry was got rid of because it was mistaken for 7 on paperwork. I'm sure others around at the time would know the reason.
Yes it was
@JoNi instead 1000 was added to the fleet numbers
Sorry only just seen the above reply
Quote from: Tony on November 20, 2017, 02:44:20 PM
Didn't Stagecoach display the C on a couple of tendered routes they operated about 10 years ago.
One operator definitely did.
Yes, Midland Red South did - in the NBC, Western Travel and Stagecoach eras. Not every Coventry city service they ran on showed the "C" but many did. Over the years Midland Red South won tenders for many Coventry routes. I think G&G also sometimes showed the "C" on tendered routes.
Quote from: Gareth on November 20, 2017, 05:22:00 PM
Yes, I believe that was true. Think I first saw it many years ago in Malcolm Keeley's book on WMPTE. Coventry fleetnumbers had 1000 added to their ex Coventry number. For example 123Y became 1123.
I believe that the origin of 1000 being added to Coventry fleet numbers was a computer issue at South Division (Birmingham) where at the time it was said that the computer said "no" to Y suffices - so ex Coventry buses at AG carried numbers 1211 etc rather than 211Y etc. In fact 720N when transferred from Wolverhampton to PB that got renumbered 1720, so any letter suffix was presumably a problem at South division at one time. However by 1977 it was able to cope with H suffix ex West Bromwich buses.
Quote from: Gareth on November 20, 2017, 05:22:00 PM
Yes, I believe that was true. Think I first saw it many years ago in Malcolm Keeley's book on WMPTE. Coventry fleetnumbers had 1000 added to their ex Coventry number. For example 123Y became 1123.
Quite a few ex-CT buses ended up carrying the 1xxx series after 1979/80, even to as late as 1986. It was possible to see Dennis Lancets 1053-54 (for the Coventry Easyrider services) alongside 1xxx numbered Fleetlines in 1985/6 presumably. I think those two did actually start life as 7053-54 but for a brief time only. Cov would have also had a few 18xx Nationals too.
Re. the route numbers in Coventry; being physically separate it made sense to retain the CT style numbers I guess (1 to 50 or thereabouts). I suppose a similar system used by WMPTE could have been adopted; 2xx for Dudley, 3xx for Walsall and so on. Not sure what Coventry would have used, the 600's perhaps - 601 to Chapelfields or 623 to Allesley Park sounds a bit strange though!
Does 6106 have one of these or is it a contactless payment thing??
Quote from: Tony on November 20, 2017, 02:44:20 PM
Didn't Stagecoach display the C on a couple of tendered routes they operated about 10 years ago.
One operator definitely did.
With duplicate service numbers I mean where Coventry one duplicated Birmingham ones, that is why the C was used
They would be:
C37/C47 Lentons Lane Circulars
C54 City - Finham
C64 City - Hexworthy Drive (to avoid the political argument over the spelling of the estate)
The services Stagecoach operated on New Year's Day all used the C prefix for the first 2 or 3 years, I have some photos on my external HDD somewhere.
As for the previous second 48 route in Coventry, that I believe was Courthouse Green - Walsgrave Hospital, with similarities to the current 26 route.
There's another photo of a Midland Red National on MidlandRed.net (I believe NHA284M) which shows C49 on the blind, I imagine the old Rail Station - Coundon via City route.
Quote from: Trident 4194 on November 22, 2017, 07:04:33 PM
Does 6106 have one of these or is it a contactless payment thing??
Seeing as I posted that Pensnett was being fitted this week what do you think?
Quote from: Ally on November 22, 2017, 07:14:38 PM
They would be:
C37/C47 Lentons Lane Circulars
C54 City - Finham
C64 City - Hexworthy Drive (to avoid the political argument over the spelling of the estate)
The services Stagecoach operated on New Year's Day all used the C prefix for the first 2 or 3 years, I have some photos on my external HDD somewhere.
As for the previous second 48 route in Coventry, that I believe was Courthouse Green - Walsgrave Hospital, with similarities to the current 26 route.
There's another photo of a Midland Red National on MidlandRed.net (I believe NHA284M) which shows C49 on the blind, I imagine the old Rail Station - Coundon via City route.
At least the Lenton's Lane circular wasn't 37A/37C - denoting anticlockwise and clockwise - we could have ended up with C37C etc. I seem to recall a 48 starting at Ernesford Grange heading to the Walsgrave area and possibly further on - but that probably goes back almost 30 years.
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 22, 2017, 07:22:50 PM
At least the Lenton's Lane circular wasn't 37A/37C - denoting anticlockwise and clockwise - we could have ended up with C37C etc. I seem to recall a 48 starting at Ernesford Grange heading to the Walsgrave area and possibly further on - but that probably goes back almost 30 years.
New Year's Day gave us the C32C!
Ah yes Ernesford Grange is the one sorry! Courthouse was the 44 which also served Ernesford.
Quote from: paulb1973 on November 22, 2017, 07:22:50 PM
At least the Lenton's Lane circular wasn't 37A/37C - denoting anticlockwise and clockwise - we could have ended up with C37C etc. I seem to recall a 48 starting at Ernesford Grange heading to the Walsgrave area and possibly further on - but that probably goes back almost 30 years.
Quote from: Ally on November 22, 2017, 07:33:30 PM
New Year's Day gave us the C32C!
Ah yes Ernesford Grange is the one sorry! Courthouse was the 44 which also served Ernesford.
C48 [Courthouse - Hospital - Ernesford] began about 1991 (when Sainsburys opened?), the Hospital - Ernesford bit axed around 2001 and the remainder axed in 2004 in favour of DeCourcey's new 703/4.
C44 [City - Rail Station - Ernesford] was a different peak only service which ran for a similar period of years.
C61 [City - Brade Drive] is probably the most recent such Stagecoach tender which lasted for a few months in 2012.
Quote from: Ally on November 22, 2017, 07:14:38 PM
C64 City - Hexworthy Drive (to avoid the political argument over the spelling of the estate)
And you still managed to spell 'Avenue' incorrectly. ;D
Quote from: JPC on November 23, 2017, 05:28:53 PM
C48 [Courthouse - Hospital - Ernesford] began about 1991 (when Sainsburys opened?), the Hospital - Ernesford bit axed around 2001 and the remainder axed in 2004 in favour of DeCourcey's new 703/4.
C44 [City - Rail Station - Ernesford] was a different peak only service which ran for a similar period of years.
C61 [City - Brade Drive] is probably the most recent such Stagecoach tender which lasted for a few months in 2012.And you still managed to spell 'Avenue' incorrectly. ;D
Yes, the 44 was to Ernesford Grange only [possibly Princethorpe Way/Binley Rd] - I remember going home on it from work, I think it used the Ring Road, London Rd & Allard Way (rather than use Stoke Aldermoor) to get to its destination. I recall grabbing a ride on Fleetline 6922 one weekday. The only time I can remember travelling that end of Allard Way on a bus.
Over half of pensnetts buses been fitted with new ticket machines
Just got to get the faults fixed now
Had two buses with new ticket machines today I'm really impressed with the thought that has gone into them
Really weird driving a bus not having to look at a running board
Once you find out where all the tickets are and what the machine can do it's really easy
Don't want to see another old ticket machine again
On that note Pensnett should be finished by Wednesday
Quote from: karl724223 on November 27, 2017, 03:46:29 PM
Had two buses with new ticket machines today I'm really impressed with the thought that has gone into them
Really weird driving a bus not having to look at a running board
Once you find out where all the tickets are and what the machine can do it's really easy
Don't want to see another old ticket machine again
On that note Pensnett should be finished by Wednesday
Will West Bromwich be next for the new INIT machines?
Quote from: Jack on November 27, 2017, 03:50:37 PM
Will West Bromwich be next for the new INIT machines?
No, The team move to Walsall once Pensnett is finished
Quote from: karl724223 on November 26, 2017, 05:02:08 PM
Over half of pensnetts buses been fitted with new ticket machines
Just got to get the faults fixed now
We still have lots of faults on ours. The scanner seems to get confused eaay and the red screen comes on it. You have to wave people with smart cards past until it wakes up. Sometimes you even have to manually reboot it.
The other is that they have not been instaiied properly and the screen with the times does not come on when pulling away. Fed up of putting it on the VCR now
Quote from: John on November 27, 2017, 04:25:56 PM
We still have lots of faults on ours. The scanner seems to get confused eaay and the red screen comes on it. You have to wave people with smart cards past until it wakes up. Sometimes you even have to manually reboot it.
The other is that they have not been instaiied properly and the screen with the times does not come on when pulling away. Fed up of putting it on the VCR now
we still have some faults on ours
We're told the same put fault on Vcr
Our best fault so far is the scanner won't read passes outside quinton cemetery on x10 move to next stop it reads them
Quote from: karl724223 on November 27, 2017, 05:07:18 PM
Our best fault so far is the scanner won't read passes outside quinton cemetery on x10 move to next stop it reads them
That sounds like a grave error.
On the 529 vehicles, theirs say in the right hand say 'Late 5' etc.
Is that supposed to be the amount of time the bus is late by, as the 529 I catch in the morning seems to be regulary late?
6861 is the first bus at BC to be fitted. Any of this batch in service on Monday will be Init
Pensnett might be finished tonight excluding buses off site and buses to come from bc which might be done at another garage
Quote from: karl724223 on December 01, 2017, 09:14:01 PM
buses to come from bc which might be done at another garage
Have you ruined the surprise? Pensnett are definitely getting more attention than deserved. I miss the days when it just got the cast offs and the rest of us got decent buses 😂
Quote from: MW on December 01, 2017, 09:53:31 PM
Have you ruined the surprise? Pensnett are definitely getting more attention than deserved. I miss the days when it just got the cast offs and the rest of us got decent buses 😂
It's probably more y reg tridents don't get excited
6712 machine is broke
Quote from: Dom on December 02, 2017, 03:49:35 PM
Why?
Driver said wasn't working- there was 8 tickets already printed
Quote from: Trident 4194 on December 02, 2017, 03:41:52 PM
6712 machine is broke
1903's reader played up and as soon as we reached the next stop it worked. Some fault.
Validator could have been rebooted or it might have lost signal provided by vodaphone
Quote from: karl724223 on December 02, 2017, 08:48:26 PM
Validator could have been rebooted or it might have lost signal provided by vodaphone
Was saying 'No Connection' so it probably lost signal, first time I've seen this happen, apparently PB drivers have been cussing them.
14 of walsalls buses have now been done overnight, most 10 branded tridents
Have seen some of the Walsall B7Lre's with the new machines as well.
@Tony Could you ask the relavant dept the following question please?
A few years ago, there was a promotional ticket wallet for the Daysavers, which fitted the now old style tickets.
Are there plans in the future to reissue these wallets to fit the new style tickets?
I finally decided to upgrade my good old 4 week pass to a swift card.
Having used it for the past few days, I've noticed that these new ticket machines are a marked improvement. They scan quicker, and it's screen is a good informant of letting you know, your card has been read.
The screens are good at telling passengers the number of days left. Today I obtained my fourth smartcard (n-bus multi-day) to cover all permutations just to travel on all operators in Coventry/Warwickshire! I'm getting used to no days left on card when i use the wrong one!
Quote from: JoNi on December 13, 2017, 07:21:32 PM
The screens are good at telling passengers the number of days left. Today I obtained my fourth smartcard (n-bus multi-day) to cover all permutations just to travel on all operators in Coventry/Warwickshire! I'm getting used to no days left on card when i use the wrong one!
One of the things well have to get used to these days I suppose.
Numerous times I've gone to London and forgot to switch cards and wondered why the gates at a tube station don't open, or come back and wonder why my Oyster card doesn't scan on the X51
Do the new machines accept a contactless debit card?
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on December 14, 2017, 08:04:04 AM
Do the new machines accept a contactless debit card?
I'm pretty sure they were made to be compatible with them, but they aren't accepting them as of yet.
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on December 14, 2017, 08:04:04 AM
Do the new machines accept a contactless debit card?
Not yet. Not a good idea to start until all buses are done, otherwise you get people trying to use them on other buses and then not able to pay if they haven't got cash on them.
Coventry is launching in January, with the rest of the west Midlands a couple of months later
Quote from: Kevin on December 14, 2017, 07:48:08 AM
One of the things well have to get used to these days I suppose.
Numerous times I've gone to London and forgot to switch cards and wondered why the gates at a tube station don't open, or come back and wonder why my Oyster card doesn't scan on the X51
I've tried using my Oyster card on NX Buses (unintentionally of course) and I can also confirm they don't work up here! ;)
Are BC about to have new ticket machines installed? I only ask because while stood at the front of the X2 this morning waiting for the bus to approach my stop, there was a call going out on the radio for Bristol Road drivers about ticket machine training?
yeah i saw a new ticket machine on a x61 branded earlier whilst wating for my bus
Quote from: Stu on December 14, 2017, 06:35:50 PM
Are BC about to have new ticket machines installed? I only ask because while stood at the front of the X2 this morning waiting for the bus to approach my stop, there was a call going out on the radio for Bristol Road drivers about ticket machine training?
The platinums are being done with a visit to Walsall, so that Coventry can start accepting contactless in January
6826, 6835 and 6840 are fitted with the new machines.
Quote from: Tony on December 14, 2017, 10:11:20 AM
Not yet. Not a good idea to start until all buses are done, otherwise you get people trying to use them on other buses and then not able to pay if they haven't got cash on them.
Coventry is launching in January, with the rest of the west Midlands a couple of months later
Thanks for that Tony.
BTW, a TfL concessioary pass works here, but a WM one does not work on London buses, you need to show it to driver.
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on December 15, 2017, 08:01:17 AM
Thanks for that Tony.
BTW, a TfL concessioary pass works here, but a WM one does not work on London buses, you need to show it to driver.
Yes, because London is behind the times! London being the first place to introduce the technology has their machines based on the Oyster system. The technology has advanced since then, so the rest of the country has more up to date technology
6830 and 6843 have new ticket machines
Quote from: B.C Driver on December 18, 2017, 02:59:03 PM
6830 and 6843 have new ticket machines
I forget which one it was now, think it was 6843, but I had my first experience of this new setup on Sunday on the X1. Nice clear pad, read my card very quickly, and the display was easy to read.
What garage is next for new ticket machine fitting please
Quote from: Jordan on January 21, 2018, 01:45:17 AM
What garage is next for new ticket machine fitting please
The team are moving to Yardley Wood from Tuesday
Thanks tony
My driver today made use of the built in ticket roll holder. Perfect size as a take away cup holder!
Quote from: Gareth on January 21, 2018, 07:04:03 PM
My driver today made use of the built in ticket roll holder. Perfect size as a take away cup holder!
It's a brilliant fit as well!
Why has it taken till now to get the new ticket machines
The amount of passengers that have used old tickets but now that can't which is a good thing
A couple of questions.
Would I be right in thinking that fare dodging has gone down in the areas that have the new machines, due to the daily word change on the tickets.
A question probably
@Tony could best answer, as he's probably done a lot of these.
I'm now currently in the position of being able to renew my red Nx branded Swift Card on Thursdays rather than Fridays, as I'm now closer to Walsall Travel Shop & able to leave work earlier than before in my new job, than I was able to with my old job(but things may change again sooner or later!).
If I place my renewed ticket receipt earlier than the start date, or forget to change the receipt over, in my wallet, am I likely to get done by the inspector, even though I've renewed it & could prove it?
What actually gets checked? Is it the Swift Card itself, as the inspectors the other week were doing a check on tickets at Walsall on the 529's & he put the card on his mobile phone(I guess there's an app on there?), but he looked at the paper receipt & was satisfied.
Quote from: Westy on January 21, 2018, 09:08:54 PM
A couple of questions.
Would I be right in thinking that fare dodging has gone down in the areas that have the new machines, due to the daily word change on the tickets.
A question probably @Tony could best answer, as he's probably done a lot of these.
I'm now currently in the position of being able to renew my red Nx branded Swift Card on Thursdays rather than Fridays, as I'm now closer to Walsall Travel Shop & able to leave work earlier than before in my new job, than I was able to with my old job(but things may change again sooner or later!).
If I place my renewed ticket receipt earlier than the start date, or forget to change the receipt over, in my wallet, am I likely to get done by the inspector, even though I've renewed it & could prove it?
What actually gets checked? Is it the Swift Card itself, as the inspectors the other week were doing a check on tickets at Walsall on the 529's & he put the card on his mobile phone(I guess there's an app on there?), but he looked at the paper receipt & was satisfied.
The app on the phone is what they go by It reads what is on the card and shows if it is in date or not
Quote from: Tony on January 21, 2018, 09:31:57 PM
The app on the phone is what they go by It reads what is on the card and shows if it is in date or not
Cheers
Can you use these new machines with gloves on? I'm assuming that they're touch screen.
Quote from: MW on January 21, 2018, 11:13:51 PM
Can you use these new machines with gloves on? I'm assuming that they're touch screen.
If you have touchscreen gloves.
Quote from: Westy on January 21, 2018, 09:08:54 PM
Would I be right in thinking that fare dodging has gone down in the areas that have the new machines, due to the daily word change on the tickets.
I'd presume it'd have some effect. I had an uncle on one side of the family that I no longer talk to, that used to print off his own tickets and sell them, back before the hologram stuff was introduced. I'm pretty sure he stopped a good few years ago, presumably because people were getting caught too much with them. It would likely be easier these days to somehow reverse engineer the ticket app, so that you can get the right colours in the background, but I'm sure NXWM have thought of that already and introduced a bunch of security stuff into it.
Theres been a couple of times Ive gone to press a city hop and issued a daysaver by mistake. And my fingers arnt big either!
The first YW buses fitted with the new machines should be out today
Quote from: Tony on January 24, 2018, 08:50:26 AM
The first YW buses fitted with the new machines should be out today
Is it the same machine as Diamond?
Quote from: MW on January 24, 2018, 08:53:02 AM
Is it the same machine as Diamond?
No. It is a bespoke one designed specifically for NXWM by a different supplier (INIT in Germany)
Quote from: MW on January 24, 2018, 08:53:02 AM
Is it the same machine as Diamond?
NX ticket machines have a seperate machine for the ticket printer, card reader and ticket machine.
Diamond also have a qr code scanner for return tickets on theres that NX don't have, that and the ticket printer, card reader and ticket machine are all in one on Diamonds machines.
Overheard AG drivers are getting ticket machine training yesterday, is it not long before they get there new machines now then?
Quote from: 2206 on January 24, 2018, 04:16:40 PM
NX ticket machines have a seperate machine for the ticket printer, card reader and ticket machine.
Diamond also have a qr code scanner for return tickets on theres that NX don't have, that and the ticket printer, card reader and ticket machine are all in one on Diamonds machines.
Overheard AG drivers are getting ticket machine training yesterday, is it not long before they get there new machines now then?
According to a post by Tony, the ticket fitting team are at YW so I would imagine AG is probably next.
Fitting team start at AG next Tuesday
Quote from: Tony on January 31, 2018, 07:09:38 PM
Fitting team start at AG next Tuesday
Does that mean then all garages will have been completed once AG has the new INIT machines installed
@Tony?
Quote from: Tony on January 31, 2018, 07:09:38 PM
Fitting team start at AG next Tuesday
Has BC had its remainder of Buses done? As the Platniums were done so the X1 could accept contactless, not forgetting the new batch of Platniums.
Quote from: Squiz1971 on January 31, 2018, 07:49:57 PM
Does that mean then all garages will have been completed once AG has the new INIT machines installed @Tony?
No, still 115 vehicles at BC to do
Quote from: Tony on January 31, 2018, 07:51:44 PM
No, still 115 vehicles at BC to do
Ok Tony thank you, wasn't completely sure if AG was the last garage or not
Anyone else noticing that with these new ticket machines some buses are leaving a minute early? Like, it might say "on time" on the machine but the live time things on the bus stop still show a minute before
Quote from: Kevin on February 01, 2018, 07:29:01 AM
Anyone else noticing that with these new ticket machines some buses are leaving a minute early? Like, it might say "on time" on the machine but the live time things on the bus stop still show a minute before
Yes they're allowed to bud
Quote from: Dom on February 01, 2018, 08:22:39 AM
Yes they're allowed to bud
Really? Even from timing points like the start of the route?
Quote from: Kevin on February 01, 2018, 08:25:18 AM
Really? Even from timing points like the start of the route?
Yeah, you're allowed to drop a minute.
Traffic commissioner allows 1 minute early or 5 mins late before he considers the journey non compliant.
Interesting. It's definitely noticeable now buses have the new machines, I'd assume then that they are programmed to not bother saying "early 1" then just telling the driver "on time"?
What is the printed bold letters on the top of tickets for? FORT and GRIT are 2 I've came across?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 03, 2018, 11:45:37 AM
What is the printed bold letters on the top of tickets for? FORT and GRIT are 2 I've came across?
Isn't it for security reasons, so the local lowlifes can't reuse their 3 month old Daysavers?
Quote from: Trident 4194 on February 03, 2018, 11:45:37 AM
What is the printed bold letters on the top of tickets for? FORT and GRIT are 2 I've came across?
I believe it is a 'word of the day', as Westy points out for security purposes to stop people 'recycling' tickets :D
Quote from: Stu on February 03, 2018, 12:48:21 PM
I believe it is a 'word of the day', as Westy points out for security purposes to stop people 'recycling' tickets :D
That's a very good idea.
Quote from: Stu on February 03, 2018, 12:48:21 PM
I believe it is a 'word of the day', as Westy points out for security purposes to stop people 'recycling' tickets :D
Doesn't stop people though
It's a bit backwards though, especially as operators such as Diamond are using Barcodes which are much more secure
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 03, 2018, 01:58:21 PM
It's a bit backwards though, especially as operators such as Diamond are using Barcodes which are much more secure
First are also using QR codes and barcode scanners as well as Diamond.
Quote from: the trainbasher on February 03, 2018, 01:58:21 PM
It's a bit backwards though, especially as operators such as Diamond are using Barcodes which are much more secure
No more secure, some one wants to use a dodgy ticket they will try it. NX didn't want to use them because they slow boarding down.
You can photocopy a QR code and a machine isn't going to notice what paper it is on. A human eye stands more chance
Quote from: Tony on February 03, 2018, 02:29:33 PM
No more secure, some one wants to use a dodgy ticket they will try it. NX didn't want to use them because they slow boarding down.
You can photocopy a QR code and a machine isn't going to notice what paper it is on. A human eye stands more chance
Wouldn't the QR code change each day though, meaning that you can't just photocopy an old ticket and re-use it?
I guess it'd work for stuff like a weekly ticket, but the majority of people buy day tickets from what I can tell.
Quote from: DJ98 on February 03, 2018, 06:16:52 PM
Wouldn't the QR code change each day though, meaning that you can't just photocopy an old ticket and re-use it?
I guess it'd work for stuff like a weekly ticket, but the majority of people buy day tickets from what I can tell.
But you could also photocopy a QR coded day ticket and give it to 50 of your friends. And as Tony has said it will slow down boarding.
I am doing a day on the coaches tomorrow. I will be dealing with passengers with QR tickets, and have a QR scanner. With print yourself coach tickets it is possible to print two off and give one to a friend, and I have that happen once.
With coach tickets it is easy to identify now we have the scanners because both need to be used on the same service. With bus tickets they could be being used all over a city.
Good idea!
Quote from: dingding on February 03, 2018, 07:22:23 PM
Good idea!
It sure is. I remember few months back where passenger got on the coach but on the opposite direction. Driver did announced where the coach heading to but that passenger didn't raised concern until Coventry...
1888's printer jammed half way through issuing a ticket on the WA11, driver kept stopping to see if he could fix it, ended up with two 11's and a 13 running together due to the delay.
Which AG Buses are being fitted today/tonight?
Quote from: Jack D on February 07, 2018, 04:21:27 PM
Which AG Buses are being fitted today/tonight?
Wait and see...
Quote from: Jack D on February 07, 2018, 04:21:27 PM
Which AG Buses are being fitted today/tonight?
About 10-15 of them.
Quote from: Dom on February 07, 2018, 04:49:28 PM
About 10-15 of them.
Maybe 17 on a good night. I think the record is 19
Quote from: Jack D on February 07, 2018, 04:21:27 PM
Which AG Buses are being fitted today/tonight?
I've seen a few that have them today.
4250 and 4256 are the 1st i've seen with them.
Also 4293 or is 4297 has it as well
Quote from: 2206 on February 08, 2018, 04:31:25 PM
I've seen a few that have them today.
4250 and 4256 are the 1st i've seen with them.
Quote from: Jordan on February 08, 2018, 05:17:50 PM
Also 4293 or is 4297 has it as well
Do we really need to know what AG buses have been done? They'll all be done soon.
Anyone noticed the 'arrows' on the displays, to show you where to put your pass?
Quote from: Westy on February 14, 2018, 09:49:02 PM
Anyone noticed the 'arrows' on the displays, to show you where to put your pass?
Yes! Funnily enough, I was going to mention it. Begs the question: did people try to scan their passes over the screen? :P
The word of the day today made me chuckle 😊
Quote from: AndrewLee on February 15, 2018, 12:37:27 AM
The word of the day today made me chuckle 😊
What was it? I don't usually get to see them since I use a pass on the phone app.
Quote from: Westy on February 14, 2018, 09:49:02 PM
Anyone noticed the 'arrows' on the displays, to show you where to put your pass?
Yes. Drivers told me some passengers still try to scan their passes on the computer screen. The scanner has a sticker of 4 triangles pointing to the scanning point and that is still not clear enough for some passengers. Shame.
Quote from: DJ98 on February 15, 2018, 01:21:43 AM
What was it? I don't usually get to see them since I use a pass on the phone app.
It was LOVE. Quite fitting for Valentine's Day!
Quote from: P419 EJW on February 15, 2018, 08:26:23 AM
It was LOVE. Quite fitting for Valentine's Day!
First Wyvern used to have some very crank security words on their tickets, had 'Olympian', 'Citybus' and 'Optare' in years gone by!
Was on way home on 529 other night and saw a passenger got a QR code from the NXWM ticket app on his phone and was trying to scan it on the scanner but the driver just let him on. Didn't realise NXWM ticket app got QR code and how would one scan a QR code on the scanner?
Quote from: P419 EJW on February 16, 2018, 01:38:33 PM
Was on way home on 529 other night and saw a passenger got a QR code from the NXWM ticket app on his phone and was trying to scan it on the scanner but the driver just let him on. Didn't realise NXWM ticket app got QR code and how would one scan a QR code on the scanner?
NXBus don't use QR codes (NX Coach do)
Have all AG buses had the new machines?
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2018, 01:59:42 PM
NXBus don't use QR codes (NX Coach do)
Thanks for the clarification.
Quote from: P419 EJW on February 16, 2018, 01:38:33 PM
Was on way home on 529 other night and saw a passenger got a QR code from the NXWM ticket app on his phone and was trying to scan it on the scanner but the driver just let him on. Didn't realise NXWM ticket app got QR code and how would one scan a QR code on the scanner?
Quote from: Tony on February 16, 2018, 01:59:42 PM
NXBus don't use QR codes (NX Coach do)
When my brother was up from London over Christmas, I introduced him to the NX mTicket app, and he used it to buy a Group Daysaver for him and his girlfriend. Before we got on the bus he showed me his screen, asking what he was supposed to do with it. The mTicket showed a QR code at the top, but when I got him to scroll up, it showed the colour boxes, which I told him to show to the driver.
I'd never seen or used the mTicket app myself before, but it definitely did show a QR code for the ticket my brother purchased.
I have observed on the BC Platinums that the Init card reader device does appear to have something at the bottom that could be a QR code reader, looks like a clear window. However, the way these devices are mounted in the Wright Eclipses at Pensnett means it would be impossible to access!
Quote from: Stu on February 16, 2018, 06:05:05 PM
When my brother was up from London over Christmas, I introduced him to the NX mTicket app, and he used it to buy a Group Daysaver for him and his girlfriend. Before we got on the bus he showed me his screen, asking what he was supposed to do with it. The mTicket showed a QR code at the top, but when I got him to scroll up, it showed the colour boxes, which I told him to show to the driver.
I'd never seen or used the mTicket app myself before, but it definitely did show a QR code for the ticket my brother purchased.
I have observed on the BC Platinums that the Init card reader device does appear to have something at the bottom that could be a QR code reader, looks like a clear window. However, the way these devices are mounted in the Wright Eclipses at Pensnett means it would be impossible to access!
They're on there, you pull down a tab to reveal them, but they don't use them as such. The machines cannot scan them. The ticket machines on the coaches do actually scan the QR code to check it is valid on that service though
In the last couple of weeks I have seen two drivers leave their cab and sort things out when the printer scrunched up a ticket. Is there a reliability problem here?
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on February 21, 2018, 05:50:28 PM
In the last couple of weeks I have seen two drivers leave their cab and sort things out when the printer scrunched up a ticket. Is there a reliability problem here?
Were you on the same 11/13 from Dudley as me then? Had a driver try to sort it out a bunch of times and then had to get a daysaver or something from the driver in front at the stop I got off at.
Quote from: DJ98 on February 21, 2018, 07:52:46 PM
Were you on the same 11/13 from Dudley as me then? Had a driver try to sort it out a bunch of times and then had to get a daysaver or something from the driver in front at the stop I got off at.
I was on a 51 a few weeks ago and the driver spent about 5 minutes trying to sort out the ticket machine. When he sorted it he issued a 'Test' ticket.
Quote from: DJ98 on February 21, 2018, 07:52:46 PM
Were you on the same 11/13 from Dudley as me then? Had a driver try to sort it out a bunch of times and then had to get a daysaver or something from the driver in front at the stop I got off at.
The incidents I saw were on the 529 and X51.
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on February 22, 2018, 08:00:26 AM
The incidents I saw were on the 529 and X51.
Ah, well that's at least 3 times there's been an issue in the past few weeks, then.
Got on 2220 at Acocks Green this afternoon on the 37 but it went nowhere. Two drivers tried to unblock the ticket machine. Eventually another E200 came up behind and passengers baled out. No explanation from the drivers, nor an apology.
In it contactless on Midlands Today
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w7h3heEpTRs
If tickets are not being issued, how can tickets be checked?
Quote from: The Fox 4846 on February 22, 2018, 09:58:37 PM
If tickets are not being issued, how can tickets be checked?
Quote from NXC webpage (http://nxbus.co.uk/coventry/information/useful-information/contactless-testing-2018-01-25)...
When our inspectors do a ticket check they will ask you for the last 4 digits of your card number or your device card number which will be checked against a list printed from the bus you are on.
new ticket machine is on BC 4444 and a couple 97 branded buses
Does AG have all theirs now? Are BC starting to get them?
i think all of acocks greens has been done now
Quote from: P419 EJW on February 15, 2018, 08:26:23 AM
It was LOVE. Quite fitting for Valentine's Day!
Its Good Friday today and the word of the day is "good" on the tickets.
Is the Wayfarer now extinct ? Is every bus INIT'd? Cheers
Quote from: craighu on March 31, 2018, 10:13:38 AM
Is the Wayfarer now extinct ? Is every bus INIT'd? Cheers
Every operational vehicle is. There are a few long term dead vehicles still to fit
1772; 2144 & 2147 for example
Quote from: Tony on March 31, 2018, 10:15:04 AM
Every operational vehicle is. There are a few long term dead vehicles still to fit
1772; 2144 & 2147 for example
What's wrong with 1772, if you don't mind me asking?
Quote from: StourValley98 on March 31, 2018, 10:30:55 AM
What's wrong with 1772, if you don't mind me asking?
1772 had a fire incident in Wednesbury on 3rd November 2016.
how come 2144/7 are long term dead?
Quote from: mranon on March 31, 2018, 10:18:00 PM
how come 2144/7 are long term dead?
They've been in paint all the time the fitters were at BC
Anyone had the message about only showing one card else you get charged twice?
My card is nowhere near my other cards, but I get the message on a regular basis!
Quote from: Westy on May 21, 2018, 06:06:32 PM
Anyone had the message about only showing one card else you get charged twice?
My card is nowhere near my other cards, but I get the message on a regular basis!
What message? They've got notices about it on most buses across the NXWM fleet.
Quote from: 2206 on May 21, 2018, 06:28:08 PM
What message? They've got notices about it on most buses across the NXWM fleet.
The actual machine flashes up a message!
Quote from: Westy on May 21, 2018, 06:46:51 PM
The actual machine flashes up a message!
I've noticed an issue where your pass scans flashes green then as soon as you take it off it flashes red and says 'Present One Card'. Not sure if this is the issue you're noticing.
Quote from: Dom on May 21, 2018, 08:12:40 PM
I've noticed an issue where your pass scans flashes green then as soon as you take it off it flashes red and says 'Present One Card'. Not sure if this is the issue you're noticing.
That is it.
I am only presenting one card though.
Quote from: Westy on May 21, 2018, 08:41:35 PM
That is it.
I am only presenting one card though.
A lot of the time, if you take your card off too quickly, it will come up red after going green for some reason
Quote from: John on May 21, 2018, 09:08:44 PM
A lot of the time, if you take your card off too quickly, it will come up red after going green for some reason
That's probably it.
Give it a year they'll join the bandwagon and get Ticketer's like more or less every other big operator. Don't see why they didn't just get them in the first place. Everyone else I've spoken to says they are fantastic ticket machines and everyone I've spoken to about the INIT's says they're awful.
Quote from: lauren1993 on May 22, 2018, 04:07:25 AM
Give it a year they'll join the bandwagon and get Ticketer's like more or less every other big operator. Don't see why they didn't just get them in the first place. Everyone else I've spoken to says they are fantastic ticket machines and everyone I've spoken to about the INIT's says they're awful.
I beg to differ! First of all, why would they get ticketers when they've spent millions of pounds on the Init machines? Secondly, the ticketers are poor machines, unreliable, slow, doesn't even come close to the INIT machines. Thirdly, I think the Init machines are great, yes there are teething problems but up until last month when I tried to pay on card on a diamond bus they either didn't know how or it "wasn't working".
Init is still being updated and improved.
Quote from: Dom on May 22, 2018, 08:11:05 AM
I beg to differ! First of all, why would they get ticketers when they've spent millions of pounds on the Init machines? Secondly, the ticketers are poor machines, unreliable, slow, doesn't even come close to the INIT machines. Thirdly, I think the Init machines are great, yes there are teething problems but up until last month when I tried to pay on card on a diamond bus they either didn't know how or it "wasn't working".
Init is still being updated and improved.
Correct Dom
Ticketer is a machine built to a standard spec with software written for individual needs of operators.
The Init machines are unique to National Express because they have been designed, hardware and software, to meet the exact needs of the company including things like the remote printer which does speed bording up with passengers used to it.
No other operator in the UK is able to do what NX are doing yet with the ticketless price capping on contactless other than TfL
Quote from: Dom on May 22, 2018, 08:11:05 AM
I beg to differ! First of all, why would they get ticketers when they've spent millions of pounds on the Init machines? Secondly, the ticketers are poor machines, unreliable, slow, doesn't even come close to the INIT machines. Thirdly, I think the Init machines are great, yes there are teething problems but up until last month when I tried to pay on card on a diamond bus they either didn't know how or it "wasn't working".
Init is still being updated and improved.
From what I've seen personally that is probably more related to Diamond's ability to train their staff effectively rather than a reflection on the Ticketer Machine.
I would be interested to hear what experience you have had in being able to justify your comments on how Ticketer machines are 'Poor Machines' 'Unreliable' and 'Slow'.
The general feedback from operators on Ticketer (both large and small) has been extremely positive.
I have a question about nxwm ticketless contact payment.
Trading standards requires that you should be able to get a receipt if you make a contactless payment if you request one unless it is an unattended terminal. So is not giving a ticket at all legal?
Diamond are all fine & legal as they issue a ticket.
Quote from: Straightlines on May 22, 2018, 02:22:43 PM
From what I've seen personally that is probably more related to Diamond's ability to train their staff effectively rather than a reflection on the Ticketer Machine.
I would be interested to hear what experience you have had in being able to justify your comments on how Ticketer machines are 'Poor Machines' 'Unreliable' and 'Slow'.
The general feedback from operators on Ticketer (both large and small) has been extremely positive.
Poor machines, In the last week, I've caught 3 diamond buses, the scanner on 2 of them was not working. Which in my personal opinion is showing that machines are unreliable.
Slow, the driver is having to specifically choose a fare stage the ticket is valid to, search through several menus to find a specific ticket. On each screen there is a lower number of tickets on offer compared to INIT. Meaning the driver is searching for longer. If you wanted a nBus day ticket, on Init it is one menu away, singles, daysavers, travelcards, short hops are all on the main screen with INIT.
Whilst I'm not saying INIT is perfect, I personally believe they are better than Ticketers.
Quote from: Dom on May 22, 2018, 04:59:14 PM
Poor machines, In the last week, I've caught 3 diamond buses, the scanner on 2 of them was not working. Which in my personal opinion is showing that machines are unreliable.
Slow, the driver is having to specifically choose a fare stage the ticket is valid to, search through several menus to find a specific ticket. On each screen there is a lower number of tickets on offer compared to INIT. Meaning the driver is searching for longer. If you wanted a nBus day ticket, on Init it is one menu away, singles, daysavers, travelcards, short hops are all on the main screen with INIT.
Whilst I'm not saying INIT is perfect, I personally believe they are better than Ticketers.
I had a Ticketer machine that began releasing smoke out of the back. The bus was parked in the sun. The machine was roasting! And then the screen started pressing random buttons itself. Had to rip the wiring out before it started issuing tickets!
Quote from: Dom on May 22, 2018, 04:59:14 PM
Slow, the driver is having to specifically choose a fare stage the ticket is valid to, search through several menus to find a specific ticket. On each screen there is a lower number of tickets on offer compared to INIT. Meaning the driver is searching for longer. If you wanted a nBus day ticket, on Init it is one menu away, singles, daysavers, travelcards, short hops are all on the main screen with INIT.
That is the advantage of buying a completely bespoke piece of kit.
National Express asked people from allover the business including the unions what they wanted the machine to do. Gave the spec' to Init and they have designed the machine around what NX wants.
With Ticketer operators get a standard piece of kit that is adapted where possible to operators needs.
Quote from: Tony on May 22, 2018, 06:07:23 PM
That is the advantage of buying a completely bespoke piece of kit.
National Express asked people from allover the business including the unions what they wanted the machine to do. Gave the spec' to Init and they have designed the machine around what NX wants.
With Ticketer operators get a standard piece of kit that is adapted where possible to operators needs.
Exactly! Part of the reason why I believe that INIT is better than Ticketer. Unlike some on here, I can easily back up my points and give valid reasons about why I feel this.
Quote from: Dom on May 22, 2018, 08:06:36 PM
Exactly! Part of the reason why I believe that INIT is better than Ticketer. Unlike some on here, I can easily back up my points and give valid reasons about why I feel this.
What's the cost difference between the two??
Quote from: Tony on May 22, 2018, 06:07:23 PM
That is the advantage of buying a completely bespoke piece of kit.
National Express asked people from allover the business including the unions what they wanted the machine to do. Gave the spec' to Init and they have designed the machine around what NX wants.
With Ticketer operators get a standard piece of kit that is adapted where possible to operators needs.
The disadvantage of a bespoke system is that it has proved troublesome at times integrating the system with standard industry leading software.
I remember the issues Hertfordshire County Council experienced with introducing the INIT machines and the lack of long term uptake from certain operators.
can i ask i will going to brum next week and will be paying by debit card do you the same ask swift PAYG and hold it until the driver issue the ticket?
I might and have misted the posting on this if so sorry
No. Just tap it. No ticket issued, price is capped at daysaver price after 2nd bus
Quote from: Jon on June 15, 2018, 11:08:28 AM
can i ask i will going to brum next week and will be paying by debit card do you the same ask swift PAYG and hold it until the driver issue the ticket?
I might and have misted the posting on this if so sorry
Contactless cards automatically charge £2.40 for an adult single. Any additional journeys are capped at £4 I believe. Rest assured, you'll never be paying more than a standard daysaver. An almost identical concept to the contactless scheme in London, with the exceptions of difference prices is all.
Ah, beat me to it, John! :P
thank you guys
Quote from: Jon on June 15, 2018, 11:08:28 AM
can i ask i will going to brum next week and will be paying by debit card do you the same ask swift PAYG and hold it until the driver issue the ticket?
I might and have misted the posting on this if so sorry
No tickets, just tap and travel
If the first bus you catch is before 09:30 Monday to Friday it will charge you £2.40 for the first journey, £2.20 for the second and nothing after that.
If you first journey is after 09:30 or anytime on a Saturday or Sunday it will charge you £1.60 for the second bus.
Quote from: Tony on June 15, 2018, 03:18:11 PM
If the first bus you catch is before 09:30 Monday to Friday it will charge you £2.40 for the first journey, £2.20 for the second and nothing after that.
If you first journey is after 09:30 or anytime on a Saturday or Sunday it will charge you £1.60 for the second bus.
I've started using contactless this week and it works as you describe above. On one day though, my bank account shows 3 payments, one for £2.40, one for £1.60 and a third for £60p. It all adds up to no more than £4.60 a day though, so all good. It's a very good system and will certainly help prevent holes in your pockets from carrying around loads of spare change.
Quote from: Mike K on June 15, 2018, 04:30:42 PM
I've started using contactless this week and it works as you describe above. On one day though, my bank account shows 3 payments, one for £2.40, one for £1.60 and a third for £60p. It all adds up to no more than £4.60 a day though, so all good. It's a very good system and will certainly help prevent holes in your pockets from carrying around loads of spare change.
Hi Mike
this is way i don't carry any cash anymore and used swift card but it better now with this new system
Quote from: Tony on June 15, 2018, 12:57:11 PM
No tickets, just tap and travel
How does this work if someone requires a receipt?
I understand Contactless is not always immediate showing on a bank statement.
Quote from: Straightlines on June 15, 2018, 08:13:38 PM
How does this work if someone requires a receipt?
I understand Contactless is not always immediate showing on a bank statement.
but it will show in the pending part on your account (if you look on the internet banking or cash point) it same if you would by something in the shop or online
Quote from: Jon on June 15, 2018, 09:24:07 PM
but it will show in the pending part on your account (if you look on the internet banking or cash point) it same if you would by something in the shop or online
The TfL journeys I made yesterday still aren't in my pending
Quote from: Tony on June 15, 2018, 09:27:12 PM
The TfL journeys I made yesterday still aren't in my pending
Most things I purchase using Contactless take a few days to appear in my pending too...
Quote from: Tony on June 15, 2018, 09:27:12 PM
The TfL journeys I made yesterday still aren't in my pending
all my contactless payments that i have made show up on my banking app but it might be different from bank to bank
Quote from: Straightlines on June 15, 2018, 08:13:38 PM
How does this work if someone requires a receipt?
I understand Contactless is not always immediate showing on a bank statement.
On the NX website in the Contactless section. Enter details of card used and it shows date, amount charged, service and boarding point.
Anyone noticed anything different about today's tickets yet? ⚽
No what is it?
yeah ITS COMING HOME
I've tried to purchase an adult £2 daysaver add on with my pass earlier on but the driver said it wasn't on his machine. I've purchased them previously as well as the child £1 daysaver.
Have they been withdrawn?