Does anyone know what has happened to this tram. Has i have heard there never ever was or will be a tram 17 and that the current fleet runs from 18 - 37 (20 trams),
Quote from: wembley86 on May 14, 2016, 01:28:57 PM
Does anyone know what has happened to this tram. Has i have heard there never ever was or will be a tram 17 and that the current fleet runs from 18 - 37 (20 trams),
Why not just look at the main site first, where you will see a photo of tram 17
Yes seen the photo, but a NX employee this morning told someone at WB Bus station that tram 17 does not exist at all
Quote from: wembley86 on May 14, 2016, 06:39:17 PM
Yes seen the photo, but a NX employee this morning told someone at WB Bus station that tram 17 does not exist at all
I do not do fake photos
I can promise you tram 17 does exist!. If you look through the fencing at wednesbury it is (or was) the tram that appears to be isolated over the far side of the perimeter fence. as far as I know it may still be there now.... :)
Quote from: windy miller on May 15, 2016, 08:15:00 PM
I can promise you tram 17 does exist!. If you look through the fencing at wednesbury it is (or was) the tram that appears to be isolated over the far side of the perimeter fence. as far as I know it may still be there now.... :)
Why isn't tram 17 used?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 15, 2016, 08:28:05 PM
Why isn't tram 17 used?
Because it's stored, as they don't need all the trams which are delivered for service.
Quote from: T840MAK on May 15, 2016, 08:55:39 PM
Because it's stored, as they don't need all the trams which are delivered for service.
Thanks
@T840MAK , just seems strange that you order brand new trams costing an awful lot of money and then you put them into store?
Quote from: Stuharris 6360 on May 15, 2016, 09:00:53 PM
Thanks @T840MAK , just seems strange that you order brand new trams costing an awful lot of money and then you put them into store?
Route extension / frequency increase incoming, surely you wouldn't expect them to not have enough trams for that
Quote from: T840MAK on May 15, 2016, 08:55:39 PM
Because it's stored, as they don't need all the trams which are delivered for service.
17 is stored because it's currently a non-runner. A lot of parts have been removed to supplement other trams, particularly in the 18 to 25 number range. Rumour has it that it will be shipped back to the factory to be re-built at some point. It was originally intended that 17 would enter service with the first batch of Urbos trams - it was used on test during spring/summer 2014 but was stored once the need arose to cannibalise it.
One will be shipped back to Spain to have the batteries fitted - could it be 17?
Quote from: Stevo on May 16, 2016, 01:10:26 PM
One will be shipped back to Spain to have the batteries fitted - could it be 17?
That would make sense - they could re-fit the replacement parts at the same time.
surely would'nt it have easier to get that parts ordered and shipped as both MM and Edinburgh tram uses the same tram.
Quote from: wembley86 on May 16, 2016, 06:03:16 PM
surely would'nt it have easier to get that parts ordered and shipped as both MM and Edinburgh tram uses the same tram.
The Edinburgh trams are made by the same company but at different locations....The Edinburgh tram depot at gogarburn last Wednesday had no less than 15 units (all clearly visible) with 9 units in service. This is increased to 10 in the peak leaving 3 remaining trams either under (temp)maintenance (273) or long term casualties..(251/257) All units are programmed on a weekly basis to even out mileages. The extra units were originally ordered on the premise that there would be options to extend the system at a later date but the proposals have since been scuppered by escalating cost estimates. A new (public) access bridge was installed near the Gyle centre on Thursday (12th May)
Quote from: wembley86 on May 16, 2016, 06:03:16 PM
surely would'nt it have easier to get that parts ordered and shipped as both MM and Edinburgh tram uses the same tram.
I agree, that would seem sensible - only problem is they might have to send technicians/fitters over from Spain along with the parts. Originally there were CAF staff on hand but they went back to Spain and Portugal a while back. In the long run it may be cheaper and easier to return it. It may even have already been contractually agreed.
Don't they do workshop manuals in Spain?
Quote from: Stevo on May 17, 2016, 09:21:24 PM
Don't they do workshop manuals in Spain?
They probably don't know how to produce multilingual manuals ;)
Tram 17 was out on est today. Saw it Northbound at Jewellry Quarter about 11.00.
Are we still on about bloody tram 17? The other trams will start to feel left out lol
Quote from: Other Walsall Tony on June 07, 2016, 01:04:24 PM
Tram 17 was out on est today. Saw it Northbound at Jewellry Quarter about 11.00.
pic on flicr on my site of 17 on test
17 was Delivered back in 11th October 2013 i remember being there in the rain has passed into the depot all wrapped up in white sheeting.
It was not until early 2014 that it made a few test runs on the mainline (only very few in day light hours) with the arrival of a few more urbos 3s 17 was confined to the depot has a static test bed
but did make a few more mainline runs again during daylight hours in the summer of 2014
you had to be out on the right day to see it , this gain was just for a few days testing only ( I have photos some were )
Monday June 6th 2016 was 17s first run into Grand central and has since then been running on its fault free mileage accumulation testing Monday /Friday .
Over the weekend 17 was parked in front of T69 16 , Today it was out running again back in the depot at 13.10
17 Arrival
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17s Very first day moveing around the depot
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Recent 17 running
Which side do you like to get off ?
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37 &17
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17 is out on test again today. Notices on the windows mentioning 'endurance testing'.
*Posted this at the same time as the above post.
Quote from: Gareth on June 28, 2016, 02:28:28 PM
17 is out on test again today. Notices on the windows mentioning 'endurance testing'.
*Posted this at the same time as the above post.
what is endurance testing? has tram 17 been fitted with the batteries
Quote from: wembley86 on June 28, 2016, 03:14:52 PM
what is endurance testing? has tram 17 been fitted with the batteries
Was running with its pantograph when I saw it.
Quote from: MetroT69 on June 28, 2016, 02:28:21 PM
17 was Delivered back in December 2013 i remember being there in the rain has passed into the depot all wrapped up in white sheeting.
It was not until early 2014 that it made a few test runs on the mainline (only very few in day light hours) with the arrival of a few more urbos 3s 17 was confined to the depot has a static test bed
but did make a few more mainline runs again during daylight hours in the summer of 2014
you had to be out on the right day to see it , this gain was just for a few days testing only ( I have photos some were )
Monday June 6th 2016 was 17s first run into Grand central and has since then been running on its fault free mileage accumulation testing Monday /Friday .
Over the weekend 17 was parked in front of T69 16 , Today it was out running again back in the depot at 13.10
17 Arrival
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17s Very first day moveing around the depot
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Recent 17 running
Which side do you like to get off ?
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37 &17
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Damn good opportunistic photo this one .. the first (and the last) trams in the present series.
I believe there may be another 5 on order to cover new extension's ?
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Quote from: MetroT69 on June 28, 2016, 02:28:21 PM
17 was Delivered back in December 2013 i remember being there in the rain has passed into the depot all wrapped up in white sheeting.
It was not until early 2014 that it made a few test runs on the mainline (only very few in day light hours) with the arrival of a few more urbos 3s 17 was confined to the depot has a static test bed
but did make a few more mainline runs again during daylight hours in the summer of 2014
you had to be out on the right day to see it , this gain was just for a few days testing only ( I have photos some were )
Monday June 6th 2016 was 17s first run into Grand central and has since then been running on its fault free mileage accumulation testing Monday /Friday .
Over the weekend 17 was parked in front of T69 16 , Today it was out running again back in the depot at 13.10
Centro has a report saying tram 17 was delivered October 2013.
( my Fault ) YES Correct ,11th October 2013 Around 10.30am and it was a right game to get it off the two Trailers !
It took most of the day has a large metal shed had to be demolished first has there was not enough room .
Tram 17 has passed its mileage accumulation this Tuesday 28th and will be given a full inspection exam , if fit and well it will be signed off to run in passenger service soon . 8)
Quote from: wembley86 on June 28, 2016, 03:14:52 PM
what is endurance testing? has tram 17 been fitted with the batteries
No. Endurance testing is mileage accumulation. Each tram must complete a certain threshold of fault-free miles before it is accepted for passenger service, and at the same triggering a stage payment to the manufacturer.
Tram now in passenger service. Out today
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